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 Anna Sorokin: the fake heiress who fooled everyone | podcast

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27:27 min | 1 year ago

Anna Sorokin: the fake heiress who fooled everyone | podcast

"Today the fake eras who food New York and a close look at the inequality between London and the rest of England. Hi, my name is Anna Dalby Estee. We guys until last weekend. I have a question given a helicopter from the Marrakesh airport to go together Blanca airport tomorrow night. This is the voice of on a Dovy. Yep. In this video she's lying in bed in addressing out in one of the most luxurious hotels Marocco. Helen open have is it's usual. Tussled? Messed the young German heiress is trying to order a helicopter to take it to Casablanca. Let me ask you this. How how many people have you ever known who were millionaires who walked around handing out one hundred dollar bills to the front desk? Single molina. I can't actually answer that like that does not happen. No people who have a lot of money. Don't go spending all their money all the time. That is not the habit of somebody who is very wealthy. It just does not how they operate. The anime is no normal millionaire. In fact, she's not a millionaire toll. She's a con artist. But a contest he was taking on with great success. The New York art scene. It's such a story of our times. You know, she was trying to plug into a scene that is very oh currency at this point. You know, it is one based on money, socialites art, contacts fashion. Parties on a dove eight or an Oregon, which is real name has been found guilty of theft. And last night. I will be sentenced today. From the guardian. I'm Indian accent today in focus inside the answer can scam. On adobe had been a figure on the New York social scene for a few years, but we're gonna start historian twenty seventeen when she checks into eleven Howard five-star hotel inside. It's a very cool scene. It's very cool restaurant attached to it is become a hang out, come socialites fashion magazine. People Howley Freeman is a writer and columnist for the guardian. She used to live in New York and has previously covered fashion. She knew where to go. She knew where the scene she wanted to be in was and she checked right in and what she doing in New York at this point. Well, she claimed that she was setting up our Anna delve foundation, which was something like a fifty thousand square foot building that he wanted to lease that would essentially be an extremely pretentious private members club. I think she called it something like a revolving arts visual dynamic space or something which is basically word salad, but very credible sounding I lived in New York for a long time. And that is the kind of to be honest to be put bluntly that kind of bullshit that you hear from people like that in that area, and you get here too in London, of course, with people sitting up arts places where very rich people can come and feel like they have a proximity to artists. She's so she's trying to set up this off foundation and cheese, basically, moving money using bad checks. Forge. Statements between banks in a kind of quest to get to. I think she was trying to raise sixty six million dollars. She wanted to be member of the party scene, and what she did very cleverly is she got into the art world. The art world right now is a very much kind of celebrity based glamorous proximity to fashion type world so art festivals. Things like freeze or the Biennale lay the Miami art fair, they are as much a part of the social scene as fashion weeks, and maybe even more so and she knew that and she clogged right into it. And how she presenting has helped who she saying that she is. She was known as in New York. But it has since come out, of course, that her real name was Anna Sorkin, and she gave the impression I don't even know if she ever actually said it, but that that she's a German ARIS, and she was spending her time going to the right downtown restaurants the right downtown clubs Instagram herself at all the right openings at New York fashion week. So that her public image was very much one of European heiress? And so. Alight around town. She's one of those people that everyone knew that everyone was used to seeing in places, but she wasn't actually intimate with people. The people that she's she didn't have many friends to hang out with Neff Davis who works in the reception downstairs and Levin Howard, hang out with some Rachel Williams. Who's a photo editor Vanity Fair and Casey Duke who is a personal trainer. And these are all people who will have connections to the kind of world that she wanted to be into so either from working for them or else documenting them in the way in the case of Rachel, and she would just take them out for dinner pay for dinners pay for clothes. You mentioned Neff was the conceived the hotel she really get through swept up in on as world. When does she natives that things on quite right? So she notices weren't quite right. When her boss said, we don't have a working credit card file for this woman. This was one of the first signs that Anna's finances weren't what they seemed to be she owed the hotel around thirty thousand dollars through its series of fraudulent loans and Bank transfers, she manages to do a wire transfer to cover the first part of stay at eleven hours. Weeks. Go by on the hotel are still chasing her because there's still no credit card on file eventually the hotel changes the coat on haram can keeps hold of stuff. And this is when photographer Jesse hawk first meets her. She showed up wearing a black hoodie and very dis-. Shoveled in pissed off. She was unhappy with whatever was happening back at eleven Howard. This kind of my introduction to Anna jesse's introduced to identify his friend, Rachel Williams. Rachel is the fighter editor vanity fat. She and on a this point with very close as the night went on the started talking about they're going to Morocco on Friday. So when did you get invited on this trip and asked me, if I do any video on said, not really she said she wanted to know if I'd be interested in traveling with them and following her with a camera and a dinner. They did tell me this. We're going to Morocco going to stay the nicest hotel in the world. And they were like trying to downplay it the same time. They were so giddy about it that couldn't contain themselves. Oh my God. She must be loaded. I thought well, yeah. When Rachel said, well, the were staying in a private villa in. It's seven thousand dollars a night after dinner that night, I was walking Rachel home. And she was telling me about Anna and about the place they're staying and she showed me photos, and it's really the moon is a pretty extravagant hotel. I mean, it was pretty nice. And so if I can if she can pay for me to go with you on this trip. I'd be happy to go today may twenty seventeen Jesse Rachel on Casey set off from Neil. Anna is the only person I've ever known to board a flight and not bring any of her money with her. She didn't bring credit cards. She didn't bring bankcards nothing. She put it all in her checked baggage. And that was the most bizarre thing of the trip. And so I remember Rachel was already then buying whatever Anna wanted she was already spending money. What was it like? Everything is there. There's a spread waiting for you bottles of champagne were being popped. We were celebrating being in Morocco. And you know, it's like any other girl in her mid twenties. Who's on social media everyone walking around on their phone taking pictures videos of the house? We're about to stay in for the next week. Because it's it's a really nice. What did you do how you kind of spending days, then tell us what happened in the holiday? Okay. They would arrange some sort of private shopper. This and this right now in this. And then those not the big one. And the private shopper companies you throughout your day to escort them through the markets of Marrakesh take us to somewhere to eat lunch places to shop for rugs. The issues with Anna's card from the very beginning. She never I remember anytime we went somewhere Anna tried to buy something her card never worked. But nothing was normal about Anna when it came to finances. She night with you on holiday did you enjoy spending time with her. Evans, the most boring person I've ever travelled with ever. Okay. She lives a social media. She looks at trends to raise MAG, fashion magazines. She's speaks to whoever is that whatever hip party or event end. She learned from these people. She's just a chameleon in there definitely moments where you catch an-and. She has to two iphones and she's on both of them. And she's writing nonstop. I was wondered who she's talking to. She was either asleep on her phone or aiding drinking. Skinless very good too. My skinless gonna everyday. Those are the only four things I ever saw Anna doing well. If you don't wanna look vain, you probably shouldn't continue taking Celtics. I'm just saying. This holiday has become pretty famous now point did it really come crushing down things progressively over the next two days think Wednesday and Thursday things got a little aggressive coming from the hotel. This sorted asking, you know, whereas miss Delhvi stop being friendly, you go from staying at the one of the friendliest hotels in the world to suddenly everybody in at the front desk is not being friendly giving. She was just very persuasive. Charismatic. Why do you think they would have let her stay without that charge? If you worked at the front desk of a hotel in your client was spending seven grand night. That's not the kind of person that you are going to confront or even want to disrupt their stay. So she knew that. And she took that to her advantage anytime somebody would question her or talk to her. She would come back to. Them with an attitude suggests I can't believe you're even speaking to me, when did you all have to leave a climax for me was trying to get a ticket out of the country and trying to leave Morocco because I was told there was a ticket waiting for me at the airport in after spending four and a half hours in a car to get the CASA Blanca, I arrived at a desk with no ticket. You know, I had to buy a last minute. One way ticket out of Morocco. Those aren't cheap. The end of the trip. I'm kind of pay the bills and Rachel ends up footing. The charges for everything a total of sixty two thousand dollars with the holiday on a keeps reassuring Rachel he's getting pretty anxious about the money that she will pay back. The Rachel isn't the only one. She owes. So she makes it back to New York, and she checks into two different other downtown hotels in New York and skips out on both without paying the Bill. I one after the other exactly but these hotels they are cutting on her tricks quicker. So what are these tricks? How do you just walk into a hotel and never have to pay anything? Well in the case of eleven Howard. It was a new hotel. And so I'm sure there was still some teething problems. The they said there wasn't oversight that they didn't get a credit card from her when she checked in and she's acting apart. You know, she was over tipping everybody. She was just wondering in and out carrying designer bags. There is no reason why anyone would think that she wouldn't be good for the Bill at the end. Whereas if it had been any average person, if it had been me, you know, looking kind of crappy in, you know, my jeans and my sweatshirt, you know, they probably would've said after a few days. Madam are you able to pay for this where she was just acting this part which everybody fell for and of course, this time as well. Rachel is starting to chase her for money. We aware of all of that going on. Yeah. Rachel is concerned about getting her money. I remember Rachel was owed. What she thought? She was you know, sixty some thousand dollars. It was a big deal for Rachel. It was creating a major problem in her personal life and professional and this went on for weeks and weeks eventually yes somewhere in a line of the somewhere in the middle of those weeks. I remember asking Rachel she had to con artist. Rachel assured me she's not a con artist. Did you see Anatole in his period? I did not see ano- when she came back to New York. And I remember racial calling me and telling me Anna's showed up outside my apartment, or we're going to have Anna come over to Casey's house, and we're going to have an intervention because she owes everybody money. There are numerous attempts by Rachel to get the money and eventually in August, she goes to the police. In the meantime on has been charged with several misdemeanors for running out on the two hotel bills. Plus a lunch Lepoqo Meridian restaurant with charges pending. She cashes more checks and gets a flight California where she is a Fench -ly arrested. What do we know about the alleged scammer and Sorkin true identity? Wait, just the Anna who I mean, there is no Anna Delhvi there is no German eras. There is no foundation and a source who is the real on adobe on historical. So Anna Sorkin was actually born in Russia. Her father was a former truck driver, and when she was a teenager. She moved to Germany with her parents, and her younger brother, she was in a small town. She went to normal schools, quite working class. She wasn't born into money as she was pretending and she eventually made her way through Europe through the kind of European fashion magazine to New York and the truth is kind of sad about this is people are laughing at her as though she's kind of Gatsby figure that she had this fake background. But the truth is a lot of people who end up in the celebrity world, or in this kind of art world bogus fashion world type thing. Also, come from humble background. Not everyone's going to be an era in this world. Everybody's puppy Delvina. Whoever a lot of people have worked their way up, you know. And there is no reason why she wouldn't have fit in. If she just been honest about herself, and she didn't need to steal to pretend to be in that world, if she had just actually gotten a damn job and worked as fashion assistant net vogue, or wherever she could have been part of this scene and charmed people her family said about decisions, they're baffled by it. And they say they always supported her when she went to college and everything and mystify presenting yourself as this multi multimillionaire eras. And now that she's in cool. She seems to be keeping up all of these appearances in a way, you know, she's twenty eight year old young woman who is facing fifteen years in prison. That's pretty terrifying. That's you know, could talk your life gone. And yet, she's still maintaining the pose even though everyone knows the truth. How is she behaved in court? She's behaved exactly like Anna delving, she's sort of dismissive board unrepentant. She didn't give a statement. And she still insists she was going to pay everyone back, but at no point is ever explained. How she thought she would ever do that is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet events and people are completely fascinated with her outfits though, headlines, the Twenty-seven-year-old defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace. Yes, she's still turning up looking like a socialite on trial of because of course, she has these clothes. She did get them interesting that Loya. Hotspot kind of arranged a stylist for her for the trial. I mean, some normal. Well, it is in some cases, I think I would know rider was styled for her court appearances by Marc Jacobs twenty years ago when she was time for shoplifting. And obviously Anna is still trying to present an image is became a lawyer Spivak when he took to the stunned a made his opening statement, what happened defense attorney says theft wasn't her intention. So he said, she, you know, she's a world where you. Anna had to live by this which is absolutely true. And that's not just about, you know, the glamorous art celebrity fashion world that she's part of the the thing is that he's gonna go over. She wasn't just faking it. She was stealing it until you make it which is a different problem. He said that you know, it was an unethical. Yeah. Unorthodox shore. But criminal what's always criminal. She was skipping out on hotel bills. I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about that. But yes, it's also true that what she's doing on her social media is exactly the same as what most assistant fashion editors or any of us to be fair do on Instagram, which is presenting an idealized image of yourself. Overnight a New York City jury finding socialite Anna Sorkin the so called SoHo Griffin guilty on eight counts. NATO Joey found Anna Saric, guilty on most of the charges against her including second degree, grandma's knee and theft of services, but she was not found guilty for the money. Rachel Williams lost today, and it will be sentenced. What people saw an Anna is that if you've ever worked in the fashion world or a magazine publication tomorrow understanding in what I've experienced that. If you're a woman in that world, it's it's kinda difficult very catty environment to be in. And there's a hierarchy in the office. And so if you're an average girl when you're working at one of these publications, you know, you're always trying to fit in your always trying to be accepted, an Anna, she saw these girls, Anna think that's who she befriended think she found women who maybe we're looking for someone to be their comrade. So I can understand somebody being drawn to Anna. Everybody wants to be included. And that's definitely the drive behind people who became friends with Anna. They felt included in something. Hey, we. Mentioned how they kind of got pulled into on his circle. But I suppose she jeeps everybody didn't shave she lawyer sheets bankas GPS famous restaurant owners and hotel owners it wasn't. It wasn't just women who will worried about that image. She really did had wing pretty much everybody shrew. Yeah. Definitely. She. Yeah. She was able to convince people to believe whatever she wanted them to believe she had a confidence. In herself. And when she spoke that. People didn't question. I also do think this is should be a kind of a moment of reckoning for certain social circles in New York, London, Paris Milan. Or whatever about how they value people based on just their appearances people wanted her to be German arrests. Therefore, they believed it, and therefore they're willing to take them out to dinner and pay for their dinners and stuff. I mean, the whole thing is so nauseating and grows. And anyone who's been on the periphery of that circle? Is I was just by covering fashion for this paper and seeing these worlds, you know, this world, and you know, it is pretty gross, and she has shown kind of rotten core to it. There are two productions or the underway HBO on net flex on an adobe story people just through to gorge on this stuff. We're completely taken by it. Well, I think people I will they get a sense of allegation out of seeing these kind of scams getting their come up. We're so used to people getting away with things at this point, whether they're rich politicians, or you know, kind of dodgy philanthropists or whatever. And here we see people getting their come up. Also a way of kind of passing the buck of it because we all get fooled by social media. And here we can laugh at other people got full by social media. How do we thank you very much? Thank you. Tomorrow you can read heavily column on whether we are in the era of the scam at the guardian dot com. Many thanks to her and to Jesse hawk. And if you want even more on this story, you can meet Rachel Williams account for Vanity Fair, and Jessica presidents article for New York magazine, also our thanks to I Lincoln Sela from our net knees. And if you wanna watch the clips of Anna Sarkin featured in this episode head toward program pate, and while you're bad do click on the link for the listeners choice award, the British podcast woods. We'd love you. Or you can just go to British Perkasa was dot com for slash fate. Coming up. Why there's an ever-growing resentment tools London. Welcome back. Now. Guardians Hal impaired has been reporting on the huge differences between London and the rest of England for new series of reports cold London versus it looks at inequalities from health to the and from transport to addiction. I've been the guardians north of England editor for six years now. And I've noticed an increasing resentment creeping in conversations that I have across the region I used to live in London, and I'm still visit regulate and yet even I often feel that looked has become more of an arrogant city state than a capital city and increasingly distant from the rest of the country and playing his own rules and often it's just a little inequities that great I go down to help on a shiny new route have and I can go anywhere for one pound. Fifty. I want to do the same. So of journey and start Paul my nearest town. Three pound fifty that really greats. So you have to be a little bit careful when making generalizations about two city of ten million people, which is home to both. So the richest and also some of the most disadvantaged people in the country, but certain measures particularly transport investment and also in terms of health and life chances. Looms miss gets fob today. In Hartley pool in the northeast where unemployment last year was eight point three percents, which is higher than anywhere else. In England male life expectancy is now only seventy six point one years, and that's actually lower than it was by one year in two thousand ten compare that to limousine where life expectancy is going an up if you look at Kempton, a Lindberg has got some rich people living that but also this quite lots of social housing and men can expect to live and eighty two point three years. It's less more than six years longer than that counterparts in Hartlepool. And this links in SuAn northern rather worrying Paxton, we uncovered about depression rates. Now, we all know that. No one, however wealthy is somehow inoculated or immune from the black dock of depression, but statistics show that the neighborhoods with the highest prevalence of depression, all in the north of England all the Midland's and the places with the lowest the wealthiest bits of London and Kent as well as the isle of silly. The highest rates of depression is in Brinson, a so biff Stockport's ingrates among Chester, quite my house, actually, what twenty three point six percent of patients with depressed when I went there. I found out that the real right is actually likely to be far higher. One local GP told me that sixty one percent of the patients he'd seen in the previous six weeks depressed or previously suffered from the condition. So there are wide variety of reasons why there are these massive disparities between lens everywhere else. But ultimately, I would argue it comes down to decade after decade of London Centric decision making the fast majority of public servants civil servants who actually make decisions about people's lives and who have influence over government policy role based in London and then making decisions about people's lives. Living hundreds and hundreds of miles away. And that really affects how resources are divvied up. I think that having great devotion and more key decisions being decided to local level can only help close the divide between London and everywhere else. But it's got to be meaningful relation. There's no points. Appointing mas-, don't really have any power, and that the minute they actually need some real investment. Some big projects they have to go with begging bowl to the treasury. So I think if the current government wants to show it serious about developing power than it needs to be ready to let go of the reins and devolve power real power on Monday away from Whitehall. That's all for today. My thanks to Hadley Freeman Jesse hawk and Helen pet. Today's program was produced by Elizabeth Casson. Rachel Humphries, Josh Kelly, and Gary Maggio sound design is by axel Keke. And the executive producers on co Jackson and film. I not we'll be back tomorrow.

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Mueller's Moment

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24:21 min | 1 year ago

Mueller's Moment

"It's Wednesday July twenty fourth. He'll speak in his own words but will he use more than two of them. Who Start here at long? Last Robert Muller comes to Capitol Hill. They're preparing for him to answer a lot of these questions with yes yes or no answers. Democrats and Republicans have their game plans but so does he we will break down all of them meet Britain's new leader from slumbering giant. We're going to Rise Ping off the guy rapes of self dot. We'll take you to London where the Boris Johnson era is is about to begin and there's no crime to embellish your family history but this fake arested a lot more than that. The whole bell is being charged to my parents how much sixty two thousand dollars why millennials flocked to her and why companies trusted her from A._B._C. A._B._C.. News this is start here Brad Milkey. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using in an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot com slash start here. Look back for a second and think about the biggest hearings on Capitol Hill since President Trump took office. My impression was something big is about to happen. I need to remember number every single word that is spoken F._B._I.. Director James Comey was a shock to the system. Michael Cohen was the witness flip of the century. He is a racist. He's a con man and he is a cheat sheet. You think about other Catharsis of these moments will neither of these guys had the widespread trust of the American people. Neither of them had completed a concentrated probe of the administration will demand speaking today on Capitol. Hill has both of those things all eyes will soon be Robert Muller testifying before the American people but Cohen Botha them preview that they would take a blow torch to the trump White House. They told you exactly how they felt. Since Robert Muller began and ended his probe into Russian election meddling the former special counsel has gone out of his way to leave his feelings out of this beyond these few remarks it is important that the offices written work speak for itself so today here's where you're going to see you're going to have members of both the House Intelligence Committee and A. and the House Judiciary Committee each lawmaker gets five minutes to ask more questions one Democrat one Republican back and forth this will go upwards of five hours so the question is what will mother say that he did not already right down on paper and in where will that leave us at the end of the day. We've got A._B._C.'s chief legal analyst. Dan Abrahams here as well as A._B._C.'s Katherine faulders. Who's been tracking this in Washington Catherine? You're in the halls of the capitol. Now what are lawmakers expecting is still look. We've talked to lawmakers and band AIDS on both sides Democrats and Republicans in there already downplaying expectations for this Brad. They don't expect Muller to go out of the four corners of the report. He is a reticent witness. Even under the best of circumstances he will be even more reticent. They're preparing for him to answer these questions with yes or no answers so they're really preparing on how they frame. Their questions is a big focus and they're also having all sorts of mock hearings they had mock hearings yesterday and actually it's interesting a lawyer lawyer from each of the committees playing Robert Muller so they definitely are preparing for this. They know how high the stakes are especially for Democrats who have said that he's their star witness. Will Dan Abrahams in a perfect world. What would you be asking well? It depends which inside your on so if if you're Democrat I think you want to use Robert Muller's answers to weave together a story about what happened because if you actually read through the Muller report there are sections there where where he refers to the president engaging in efforts to use undue influence on law enforcement and then he tells you exactly how but it's done in this way. Play where it's sort of piecemeal and it's a little hard to put it together and from Democrats perspective. I think you want to set it up. So Muller can almost restate what is in the report but you WANNA put together in a way so that it becomes even more linear and if you're the Republicans just the opposite which is I think the Republicans are probably going to do a lot of talking and then follow it with a yes or no answer from Muller. <hes> things like you investigated this in part and you investigate. Did you find there was a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the Russians dan are there yes or no questions. Democrats can ask them alert that they would actually still get them where they're trying to go sure for sure but what they want but they're going to do that by citing the report did it. You reports say this Mr Muller yes it did yes yes yes so in the report. You know you say X Y and Z I do stand by that I do and so you you believe that Blah Blah Blah et Cetera et Cetera et Cetera. Yes I do so so right there. They can tell the story from the report and that's the key for Democrats and I think the key Republicans is going to be to basically say it's time to move on that. The investigation is done and that there's nothing new President Catherine from the capital perspective. There's been a faction of Democrats who have been pushing for impeachment for a long time. Muller is a big part of this strategy. Do they think today's testimony gets them of closer to impeachment. Yes this is interesting. It's split based on who you talk to. What what Democrats you talk to so I think now the whip count of House Democrats who support a beginning impeachment proceedings is over ninety and a lot of Democrats say look we you want to wait and hear from lower here what he says before weighing in on on the subject but other Democrats we talked to say yeah this? This could be the beginning Congress debate things and we vote on them. I don't think it's the right time to have a vote on impeachment. We don't have all the facts yet but I think what's important here is that the messaging has changed a little bit Brad. We've heard from Democrats. We need to hear from Muller. We want to hear from me and then maybe we can move on now Democrats. I talked to say this is just the beginning. This is just the beginning of more to come more subpoenas into this Russia instigation. I want to learn about why they didn't tell the court. Did you actually explore the dossier but I think the other thing to look for Brad from Republicans is word that I've heard so much. Is there going to cross examine muller. The danger for Republicans is that they go beyond just questions about the stricken page emails beyond questions about how the investigation started and they start with the personal attacks on mullet totally conflicted because as you know he wanted to be the F._B._i.. Director said now as you know. I had a business dispute with him after he left the F._B._I.. We had a business dispute. The president has been attacking Muller personally. He's been saying in essence. He's corrupt. He's biased. He's been out to get me and I think it's dangerous dangerous business if the Republicans start with this nonsense about Robert Muller wanting the F._B._i.. Job about there being some conflict over his golf club. I mean those really are non starters so that's to me one thing I'm really going to be watching for which is do they go there. In a study yesterday actually from Pew Research that showed in the aftermath of the report the Attorney General's pre buttle the fallout all that more than half of Republicans do think Robert Muller. He's a straight shooter did handle this fairly damned catherine picks lot. Thanks man thank you. I give notice verse. Johnston is elected as the leader of the conservative just a little bit. Theresa May is GonNa Walk into parliament and face her final questions as British prime minister from then she will head to Buckingham Buckingham Palace and give Queen Elizabeth resignation then Boris Johnson Shaggy blond hair and all will walk in himself. He will tell the Queen he's won the confidence of the biggest party in Britain. She will ask him to form a government like some slumbering giant reggae to Reisen as an paying off the guy rapes of self a negative when he walks out of that building he will officially be the dog that caught the car. This guy who's been running around for years loudly telling leaders they are doing it. All wrong will Boris Johnson has gotten what he wants. He's is about to be in charge and A._B._C.. Senior foreign correspondent Ian Panel is in London. Ian Boris Leaves Buckingham Palace. What does he do next he had US rice is one of those things be careful? What you wishful? He gets the job he gets the house guests title however he also gets exactly the same problems the brought down to resume and it's very simply one word brexit take personal responsibility for what is happening to our country for the drift and the dither and the indecision the failure to beat sufficiently robust in the negotiations which we've seen so far Britain's decision to leave the European Union is a political and trade union with the rest of Europe. The trumbull is one of the terms and conditions that you can't just say okay. I'm leaving living because Britain does need deals with Europe. It's on its doorstep to reason they did cut the deal. The trouble is parliament rejected three times for his Johnson says he can get a new deal from Europe Europe saying no way we're not renegotiating and that is is the problem he inherits as well as a deeply divided Britain I can I will be advocating <hes> leave or whatever the team is. You know I think you as you Americans invented the phrase you you break it you own it well. I Johnson broke and he owns it. I mean the truth is I think Britain probably needed someone who was part of the brexit campaign to lead the Conservative Party but now he's going to have to make good on it now. What he said is a deadline at the moment is October thirty first coincidentally Halloween? How many jokes are ought to be nuts if they don't agree a deal then they will be so called hard brexit which for many people is a whole raft of nightmare scenarios all these things about goods services people all of that comes to a grinding halt WanNa know Brexit is the ball gain here in but it can we just set that aside just for a moment because Boris Johnson really does not become the face of a country? That's so important so many ways does the national identity change under him to policies change under him like what does this look like. I I think the truth is that Britain has been evolving much like America. Has We now have a populous leading the country and the thing is some sense. This is almost the logical conclusion of the direction in which Britain is going in other words. Boris Johnson is as much much a reflection of web brush is at the moment the other thing I think we should look out for is another golden period in the relationship between the prime minister and the president possibly the warmest since it's been since Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher Etats Story Sam Golden One said is wonderful. It's magnificent. It's prolific so to Mr President have been the Reagan yes and that was good for Britain relationship with the U._S.. Now as Britain leaves this trade union with Europe it desperately needs someone to do a deal with and number one on that list is America. I think for US respecting it out. I like Boris. I Johnson I always have he's a different kind of a guy but they say I'm a different kind of a guy to we get along well. I think the first balls are called is but to see is Boris Johnson appearing on T._v.. Screen and a radio station you and talking about. The importance of the trade deal and relationship with America at the special relationship so important so many ways even going back to the Iraq war for instance Ian Panel on a new day in Britain. Thanks so much he thanks Brad you start here. Deportation rules are growing stricter. There's this one snag. The deportations aren't happening. Technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options. 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A. dot com slash start here capterra software selection and simplified however you feel about the five rhetoric the priorities of the trump administration when it comes to immigration yesterday we learned a cold hard fact act that the number of deportations under president trump is still less than the number of deportations at this point under President Obama News shoot and yet of the volume and all these his ratcheted up to the point where ordinary citizens on both sides of the political divide are getting involved themselves and sometimes inserting themselves between immigrants and agents with badges WanNa go to A._B._C.'s Serena Marshall who covers there's immigration Serena. How contentious is this getting Brad? Citizens are taking personal responsibility for their neighbors when it comes to immigration issues look up a sandal in fact a recent case in Nashville neighbors formed a human chain gene linked arms to block ice officials ice agents from taking away a father who's lived in a U._S.. For the last fourteen years father during his children were trying to get out of the van they blocked agent who had followed them from approaching the van and then they were making sure that they had gas and food and then trying to form a human chain to let the father and his children get out of the van and enter their home United Rascasse Buddhist up front the sports are you near are literal scenes like that plane out across the country that is not signed by joke woman. I'M GONNA be in front of the guy and you can't ak but why because we talked about the numbers right. President trump promised millions of deportations ice who's going to target two thousand families. We've seen thirty five arrests. So is the outrage just about rhetoric or is it about about policies that are convincing people. These immigrants are being treated differently yeah Brad. This is par for the course of the trump administration. They're rolling out whole series of policies that really go to the heart of the immigrant community. Most recently homeland security started expediting deportations rotations for emigrants who can't prove they've been in the country for two years and this is different because expedited removal have been in effect for years in fact is a policy of the Department of Homeland Security but previously it would mostly only apply to those of entered. Entered the U._S.. By land in our arrested within one hundred miles of the border during the first fourteen days after their arrival. This change expands that rapid removal to anyone who can't prove they've been in the country for two years and Brad. What's really interesting about this is unlike previous deportations? These expedited removal cz are not required to go through a judge so you have these immigrant activist groups saying they have less due process and somebody going through traffic court their deportation now solely upped individuals within the Department of Homeland Security and let me tell people showing more and more frustration with these immigration enforcement officials filming them eat an inserting themselves when they think of deportation is about to go down Serena. Thanks for the expertise. Thank you brad in many ways. There's nothing new about scams people being built out of their money for centuries and yet the way scam it's carried out can tell you a lot about the place space and time where it's happening well this week. We're learning more about an alleged scam that seems tailor-made for the glitzy or WanNa be Glitzy Manhattan social scene and now a young woman has come forward to explain how she was taken in by what she thought was a globetrotting socialite who came from a European money now known to the world as the Soho Heiress A._B._C.'s Deborah Roberts has been tracking this and so debra this this goes back a few years. It goes back several years in fact Anna Delve is the name that she used when she came to New York and she met this this young woman Rachel Williams in about two thousand sixteen. What were your first impressions? She weighs slightly off. Be She had curious mannerisms. She was sort of in the party scene at the different clubs nightclubs and things like that and this young woman was sort of intriguing. She was a lot of fun she sort of slink through life almost like she kind of own things. If somebody held the door she breezed through without looking at them and I'd find myself saying sorry thank you wearing expensive tracksuits in casual pants not really playing the part of you know a a well dressed celebrity but that was kind of part of her. IMO was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend so they they have this friendship and there's sort of back and forth north but then they become tight then she proposes that they go to Marrakech a place that Rachel had never been and Anna Delhvi offers to pay for everything. I had seen pictures of her in different places on her instagram programs so I believed that this was then her realm of normality like that this was something she had done in the past Rachel use water this is kind of cool and everything is great a big villa seventy five hundred dollars a night. It's all lavish in great but along the way the hotel managers keep tapping on their door tapping on his shoulder. Where's your credit card and that's when things start to unravel? Rachel realizes that Anna doesn't have a working credit eddie card but again. She's not completely sure that there's anything amiss here. She just thinks that this guy was very disorganized. Traveling internationally decline she's she's just a spoiled rich girl who just can't get our act together so Rachel offers sort of reluctantly we to put her credit cards on the line as a whole when I land I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parts how much sixty two thousand dollars sixty two thousand dollars more than she made in one year. So Rachel was beginning to freak out the more she pressed and the more she called the more she texted the more of a run around she started to get oh. My assistant is going to be in touch. I'm going to wire the money. Oh didn't you get it yet. Oh here's the number this went on for weeks. What is going on on for you internally? It was starting to eat at me. I am made with my rent and late with my credit card payments. It takes a while but she eventually goes to police police kinda indicate. They can't help you gave your credit cards willingly on. I don't know you're out of the country. Entry. I don't know that I can do anything so then she goes to the Manhattan D._A.. And that's when it all begins to explode. She realizes that Anna Delhvi is actually Anna Sorkin and that the District Attorney's office has been tracking her and has been following and has a case pending against her and she goes to work to try to help the D._A.. Solve this case and help find Anna who at the time was in California she was arrested and then suddenly charged not only with <hes> fraud in this case but for a larger case of fraud involving banks and hotels I mean this woman had stayed in luxury hotels and she stayed for weeks at a time didn't put down a credit card. <hes> took a flight on a private jet <hes> under the guise of going to see Warren in buffet at his one of his big meetings didn't pay for the plane. How does that happen? I asked Rachel. How does this happen and she said to me? She's a young white woman. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms uh-huh and and be rude to people just sort of do what she wanted to some degree probably because she's a young white female <hes> but also a lot of it had to do with her specific charm white privilege that nobody nobody seemed to really think much about it because she's in her twenties? She seemed to be <hes> competent <hes> she was not threatening. It was the ultimate white young woman privilege when you look back on it. Should you have known better. I I think I I wanted to see the good. I think it's also important to see reality into understand what's right in front of you. Trust your gut trust. You get really to storylines here. You got the companies these corporations looking at this young woman going yes. She seems like she's good for it. She passes and A. and you've got this young woman in her twenties. Thinking this is my chance to hang out with the person who lives the lifestyle me and my peers fantasize about it. Just think it would be tough to blow up that trip and say now get your own credit card. I'm Outta here Deborah. It's fascinating stuff. Thanks for stopping by a pleasure molesting. It's been nearly eighteen years and yet yesterday. Some of the first responders from nine eleven said they could finally breathe a huge sigh of relief ninety seven the nays are two the bill is passed the Senate after hemming and hauling and hold ups overwhelmingly passed a bill it will permanently fund care for first responders and survivors these brave men and women who have suffered unbelievably will not have to come here again again right there alongside those firefighters and police officers and family members was Jon Stewart who fought to push this through as I think we can all agree. I'm the real hero for him for everyone involved. This was bittersweet. You might remember Luis Alvarez. He he sat next to Stuart last month on Capitol Hill giving his testimony also said you would never forget well. I'm here to make sure that you don't Alvarez spent three months sifting through toxic rubble in lower Manhattan he did not live to see this bill pass passing this legislation. There's no joy there's no comfort as on the steps of Congress his fellow responder John Field said he will not forget senators like Rand Paul delayed late this bill's passage but he says at long last thousands of his brothers and sisters will get what they need for as long as it takes supporter. Remember not just pure politics all the time wheel moments on Capitol Hill affecting regular the people across the country every day have everything you need to know about Robert Muller's testimony today hit subscribe to have start here waiting for you in the morning throughout the day you can hit A._B._C.. News Dot Com with A._B._C. News App. I'm Brad Milkey Big Day tomorrow.

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"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment schedule secure video or phone sessions plush chat chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash perspective A._B._C. News. This is perspective closer. Look at the weeks top stories and the stories you. You may have missed. I'm Cheri Preston coming up or special counsel Robert Muller finally testified on Capitol. Hill report did not include that he did not commit a show suggest that is correct and what about total exoneration you actually totally exonerate the president written names. It's new Prime Minister Boris Johnson months away from Brexit flat out with my team that I will build a few days to repay. Hey Your copay has been in the meantime campaign is over the web and Ole Miss Student murder and the arrest of her former classmate. She was probably one of the most positive radio. I'm just GonNa less how the fact that she was always there air for me if I needed to talk to her all ahead on perspective this was the week that former special counsel Robert Muller testified after his two year long investigation into Russian meddling in the presidential election are more was questioned by Democrats who breast the former special counsel on potential obstruction of justice by president trump and by Republicans who questioned him on the process of his investigation A._B._C.. News Congressional correspondent Respondent Mary Bruce Breaks Down Muller's testimony on Capitol Hill Robert Muller Walking into a hearing two years in the making you swear he was a reluctant witness but Democrats forced him to appear pressing him on whether the president obstructed obstructed justice director Mueller the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what you report said is it correct is the report says the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct that is correct and what about total exoneration did you actually totally exonerate the president now but muller did not reach conclusion on obstruction because the Justice Department office of Legal Counsel says sitting president cannot be indicted but can he be charged after he leaves office. You could charge the president United States with obstruction of justice after he left office again and and again Democrats went back to the report to highlight the ten incidents of possible obstruction by the president including when trump allegedly ordered his former White House counsel Don mcgann to fire Muller when the request was reported in the New York Times mcgann said the president told told him to deny it the president said quote fake news folks fake news a typical New York Times fake story in quote correct but your investigation actually found substantial evidence that mcgann was ordered by the president of fire you correct yes but did the President Obstruct Muller Republicans pointed out mother kept his job never fired a special counsel Mr Method of no now where where are you allowed to complete get your investigation unencumbered. Yes Republicans argued Muller was out of bounds for offering examples of potential obstruction without drawing a conclusion you wrote one hundred eighty pages one hundred eighty pages about decisions that weren't reached about potential all crimes that weren't charged speak for a second muller offered a passionate defence of his team as Republicans accused them of political bias in this business for almost twenty five years and who knows twenty-five years. I have not had occasion wants to ask ask somebody about their political affiliation. It is not done what I care about is the capability of the individual to do the job and do the job quickly and seriously and with Integrity Still Republicans said it's over. It's time for the curtain to close on the Russia. Hoax conspiracy theory is dead. He said the Russians are added again right now. Would you agree that. It was not a hoax that the Russians were engaged in trying to impact our election. Absolutely it's not a hoax and after six hours one last question I gather that you believe that knowingly accepting foreign assistance during the presidential campaign is an unethical thing to I do and a crime and crime circumstances yes and to the crime given certain circumstances and to the degree that undermines democracy and our institutions we can agree that it's also unpatriotic crew and wrong true. Mary Bruce A._B._C. News Capitol Hill. So what does Robert Muller's testimony mean for the White House. What does it mean when it came to substance? What does it mean when it comes to politics and what does it mean for the impeachment impeachment? Possibly of president trump at some Democrats have been talking about. Let's break it all down. Here's A._B._C.'s political director recline rig. It seems to me that there were two parts of the Muller report that we're looking to analyze now substantively and politically so let's start aren't substantively. I what do we know now that we didn't know before we had director Mollard directly contradict the President United States on a number of fronts. He did not find that there was no collusion. He did not find that there was no obstruction he did not as the president has often said come back and beg for his old job back as F._B._i.. Director and this was not a witch-hunt this was him in the starks terms possible repudiating the president's word on the highest profile investigation that is surrounded his presidency so to see that play out loud from <hes> from Muller himself was very startling. If you were to swoop in and look at the story from the outside and if you were looking at it from the outside what so many people said is it so few Americans have actually read this report all the way through everything he said was in there but but there's a lot more in there too yeah there is and I think it's still going to take some time to digest including the overall point that the Russians are as we sit here right now trying again to influence our democracy. I don't know that those points have been fully digested and I think this is a reminder of how vulnerable vulnerable we are in how the partisanship can overtake all of it and I think whatever else you say about Muller and his work. I think that should be a wakeup. Call Americans okay so now. Let's talk about not politically. Where do we stand at the end of the day because it seemed like the Republicans were sort of doing victory? Dance and Democrats were sort of throwing their hands up in the air. You think that's true well. I think Democrats probably got a little ahead of themselves in terms of expectations that weren't many people though realistically okay who thought this would be a game changer and follow himself told us he was going to be pretty boring. He was going to stick to the four corners of his report. He didn't want to be there at all so I think there's that piece of perspective that's important and I think from the Republicans. This was defense and we're no closer to impeachment and if that's the game then that's fine in but I'm not sure that the politics of this start to break well for Republicans either again the conduct that was described by Muller whatever else you say about his his motivations in his report man has impeccable credentials and he came and he said the president was doing a lot of bad things and we still don't know how close he really came to facing criminal charges as a sitting President Muller says he wasn't able to even get to that because of the policy so. I don't know how that's a clear win truly for anyone but yet you had president trump. I'm coming afterwards saying it's a great day for me. You know he called the whole thing unpatriotic and wrong as he has done time and time again and how much is this really matter to people who have just already made up their minds. Well people seem to have accepted Muller's reports and findings a a lot more than they accept the consequence potentially of impeachment so I don't know how this truly plays I do. The president is going to say what he says about it. Regardless of what the reality was. I don't really think his response should be much of a surprise to anyone who's washed his his conduct walked in his descriptions of this overall but it's going to be up to people to decide. I think a larger number of people this week we're exposed to the findings of the mall report whether that's just public opinion in a way that matters ultimately and matters for impeachment. I don't think we're there yet so when it comes to impeachment where do you see that fight going not very far. I think this is a critical period over the the Aug break for members of Congress what they hear from their constituents but as of now Sherry less than half of House Democrats support impeachment to say nothing of the two thirds vote you need in the Senate not even you can't even get the Democrats onboard in the House of Representatives so my mind Nancy Pelosi knows that and her go slow approach in a way has been been vindicated by the fact that we're not we're we're. We need to be as a country bring impeachment. I don't think Democrats want to get that far or they're gonNA continue their investigations. They're going to do a lot of work behind the scenes but the I word I think is off the table. You think this means finally we will start talking about things other than investigating president trump because that's the one thing both sides of sort of become frustrated with I mean at what point we actually take cut bills when it comes to Healthcare Immigration Democrats in Congress and say they are taking up those bills of they're just getting installed in the Senate and guess what the right about that by and large look you hear the phrase that members of Congress love to say we can walk and Chew Gum the fact is there really the isn't really isn't a room in the public consciousness to focus on that many things at the same time. Unfortunately I in this case. A lot of the legislative work is getting kind of shifted to the side. I don't know the answer to that. Though Sherry I think the breakthrough of bipartisanship partisanship that it would take there's no signs of that anytime soon and every day week before the election makes it less likely that you're able to see real bipartisan progress on anything. I'd like to talk to you. Karen travers all of our other friends in D._C.. About what it's like in Washington on a daily basis. Racist because this is wearing a lot of people out all of this and for you guys it's just relentless. It's a fire hose of craziness and if it's not one thing that's always going to be something else. The election almost seems like a respite from some of the Washington Zany that we deal with on a regular racist but keep in mind president trump likes this pace. He is dominating the news cycle and that's exactly what he wants to be doing. Okay recline and your fire hose of craziness. We're GonNa let you go. Thanks as always the questioning of Robert Mueller on Capitol Hill you can make up your own mind and who you think won or lost the day out Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler Today the American people heard directly about what the special counsel investigation uncovered as to Russia's interference in the two two thousand sixteen election and the president's cooperation with it and obstruction of justice the ranking member of the Committee Republican Congressman Doug Collins Georgia those are the facts of the Molar Rochelle Mandolin the twenty six election the president did knock aspire with Russian and nothing we here today change those fans everything we've come up with is show hearings dog and pony shows running out old people from Watergate era and what have we found that the American people are footing the bill for a continuation of twenty sixteen election that they don't lie. I challenge the democratic colleagues get over the election of two thousand sixteen run in two thousand twenty if he wants and others weighing in as well as the attorney general supposed to be the attorney general of the United States of America Erica worth it can Sigli Ari for the president. What he's doing is not obstructing justice? He is pursuing justice. Hopefully this'll be the end of these hearings because the House Intelligence Committee has important work to do if you you look at the national security for this country. There's nothing more important right now. Chances are pretty good. If there are veep winners and losers your mind was probably already made up for you even started listening coming up Britain's new prime minister and for her Rico's governor resigns uproar and protests on perspective after this these days news comes out of Washington so fast it can be hard to keep up. I just don't think this is gonNA play out the way everybody thinks it's going to play out. We're getting a giancarl prediction look. We need special music for this. I'm A._B._C. News. Political Director recline join me along with A._B._C.'s chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl every week as we break down the facts and turned to Washington insiders with tough questions on the powerhouse politics podcasts or you're gonNA talk to more. I'm looking Audrey listened for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP back to perspective. I'm Sherry Preston. Poorest Johnson took over from Theresa May as Britain's prime minister this past week after he was elected leader of the Conservative Party a what flag from now on with my team that I will build the next few days to repaint your competence but in the meantime time campaign he's now he is tasked with trying to put together a brexit deal before Britain departs the E._U.. Later this year let's get the latest on Johnson's election and what's ahead for the U._K.. Here's A._B._C.'s he's Tom Rivers at the foreign desk out with the old and in with a new this week goodbye to beleaguered British Prime Minister Theresa May hello to Boris Johnson the two could not be more different may didn't leave much of a legacy Johnson's instance mission to succeed where she didn't in solving the brexit puzzle his course came under scrutiny in his first address in parliament since becoming prime minister where he urged the European Union to rethink its refusal to renegotiate the Brexit deal in a rowdy session in the comments Johnson pledged we will throw into these negotiations with the greatest energy and determination added a spirit of friendship and I hate that the E._U.. You will be equally ready and the they will rethink that current refusal to make any changes to the withdrawal but if the E._U. refuses to play ball if they do not we of course half to leave the U._K.. Without an agreement under article fifty the U._K. is better prepared for that situation than many believe but we are not as ready yet as we should be. In the ninety eight days that remained to us must turbocharger preparations to make sure that there is little disruption as possible to our national light. Andy threatened if the E._U. does not reopen withdrawal discussions. He says they won't be getting a divorce deal. Check from the U._K.. A some forty eight billion dollars he's general tone optimistic. We are once again going to believe in ourselves and what we could achieve like some slumbering giant. We are going to rise in Ping off the guy ropes of self doubt a negative but where's the detail. That's what a lot of people here asking right now. Including the leader of the opposition Labor Party Jeremy Corbyn he says he has pluck nerve and ambition our country does not need arm-waving being bluster but competence seriousness and after and after a decade of divisive policies for the few to focus for once on on the interest of the many many we'll be watching closely over the next three months as the brexit deadline fast approaches deliver bricks unite the country and defeat Jeremy Corbyn GonNa do Boris Johnson and says he can get the E._U.. To renegotiate an exit deal something the block insists it won't do automous warned that are no deal brexit would disrupt trade and plunged into recession the stakes over the the next few months couldn't be higher if Johnson can manage a deal he'll go down in history as a hero if he fails his time at ten Downing Street could be very short indeed with the snap general election likely outcome if the ordeal exit option is taken deliver unite and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign since unfortunately it spills done but they've got the final e my friends e for energize and and I say I say to all the doctors dude. We are going to energize the country. We're GONNA get brexit done on okay. We're GONNA take advantage of opportunities that it will bring in a new spirit of Candu. Tom Rivers A._B._C. News London London. Order Rico's governor Ricardo will CEO announcing his resignation this week following protests and multiple declarations he would remain in office through January twenty twenty one Roselle faced intense pressure after the League of offensive text messages between him and his top aides A._B._C.'s Victor Oquendo reports on the story from Corporate Vico strengths of old sent one knowledge after governor were ordered Rosillo Announces Resignation Shen celebration underway way to hear those early. What is this like right now but I'm not just minus in Manafort as the embattled governors message started the crowds silenced huddled together holding their phones to their ears as the highly anticipated address stream life that rental John Wetteland go in our doc effective will be there autoland Amelia's every single confirming his resignation will go in effect August second and Ricky Martin boosting this video and instagram saying we did in order Rico and we did it Luego in Orlando Moham- bus seeing Anima? These boats are looking forward to a new era. There's hope for that kind of future. Who've last night maybe I didn't know about freedom we wanted now? Wait a party my but now the focus is on smooth transition of power. The Secretary of Justice will be taking over as governor. Her name is wonder Vasquez in a statement. She says that her Andro CEO are working to make sure it happens in a transparent and responsible manner also this week A._B._C.. News learn millionaire and convicted sex offender. Jeffrey Epstein was placed on Suicide Watch after he was found unresponsive on the floor of New York City Prison F C is is currently facing charges of federal sex trafficking. A._B._C.'s went Johnson Scott. The latest on the story sources still A._B._C. News Jeffrey Epstein is on Suicide Watch in New York City jail after the disgrace financier was found unresponsive in his cell with marks on on his neck. When Epstein came to he told authorities he couldn't remember what had happened? Investigators initially thought he tried to take his own life or make it seem that way now they're looking into whether he was assaulted by another inmate or whether he even paid someone into beat him up. They've interviewed another inmate Nick Tar Tag Leone a former COP accused of murder. I spoke with his lawyer. Nick knows what happened. We're not going to talk about my purpose is to say definitively. Nick had nothing to do with hurting anybody in the facility and in particular Mr Obscene Epstein is accused of exploiting and abusing dozens of minor girls some as young as fourteen just last week a judge rejecting his request for bail the mega millionaire had offered. To put his mansion and private jet as collateral for bond but prosecutors argued he shouldn't be allowed to live inside a gilded cage the Metropolitan Correctional Center as a far cry from that eight by eight cells lockdown virtually twenty four hours. There's a day sometimes there's two people sell food is difficult to consume to say the least have scenes attorneys are still moving forward with that appeal to get him out of jail on bond. They insist he has no danger. He has not a flight risk but but it could be months before Epstein. Get an answer coming up and Ole Miss Student murder the arrest of her former classmate on perspective after this technology is supposed to make your life easier you're right. 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I'm Cheri Preston coming up a conversation with pediatrician and Philanthropist Priscilla Chan but first a twenty two year old Texas man is in custody in connection with the killing of a classmate at the University of Mississippi. Her body was discovered last weekend. Brandon failed was arrested for the murder of Alexandria Alley coastal who was just twenty-one. A._B._C.'s Marcus more has the latest on the story alley. Costal was the girl with the bright smile and even brighter future. She went missing newly released surveillance video taken outside of a local bar may have captured the last images of her alive. A college student from Saint Louis has been found dead in Mississippi. The Twenty One euro college student was found in the remote Mississippi Woods her autopsy report out revealing she died of multiple gunshot wounds foul play is involved but how she ended up in those woods thirty miles away remained a mystery until police. He's arrested twenty two year old brandon the. SPELLED IT turns out these field was alleys classmate at Ole miss male white and black the armed police in Tennessee track him down in Memphis ovary. No one will be over the mystery surrounding one woman horrific murder and why her classmate is behind bars charged with her down it. Is these summer before her senior year and Alexandria Costal Marketing Major and Sorority sister for Alpha Phi is taking courses. This is at the University of Mississippi known around the country warmly as Ole miss in the sleepy college town of Oxford. It's an arts town. It's known for its just color flavors and just kind of local melting pot. This is the land of football and of tailgates and Friday nightline's last seen side of local bar in the town square walking down the street and looking at her phone police say eventually getting into a rideshare. She did not go into the bar that she left. I'll have to win home and then that's worth of the puzzle is still waiting to be piece together. Police say after alley returned home at around midnight. She left again a short time later. The next morning costumes body was found near a popular lake in Harmon town Mississippi about about thirty miles away from the old Miss Campus by deputy on routine patrol and this is the spot the very remote spot where that sheriff's deputies found alleys body right off of this Kirby dirt road that goes towards a fishing post there and the crime tape here. We're near the scene thick woods and gives you a sense of the area that investigators have been working in as they try to piece together. How allie was killed alleys father Keith Costal confirmed the news of his daughter's death on facebook posting Saturday the afternoon we were visited by police who communicated to us that are beautiful dear Alexandria Alley Costal was the victim of a homicide authorities launched a multi agency manhunt for the suspect station Lafayette County Murder Investigation hanging this phone brandon the field Milwida they fought lack the arm via mobile gas station? No one goes on Monday. They get their suspect. Brandon spill new images ages obtained by a local Fox affiliate captured the dramatic take down across state lines at a Tennessee gas station Memphis police with their guns drawn spotting the suspect in an Ole Miss Baseball team Monday morning and taking them into custody is murder and when he is being held in our jail without bond still authorities are being tight lipped on the details of the crime. Is there anything else that all you want to say that they are important. The university has confirmed that these failed and costal were classmates in the business school. These field has been suspended by Ole miss the suspect making a court appearance Tuesday in an orange jumpsuit and shackles his father Dr Daniel. Theis felt a Texas physician leaving the Lafayette Mississippi jail after visiting his son in a statement A._B._C. affiliate W. F._A._A.. Dr th-this Spill saying I've spoken to Brandon. I asked that everyone give him the benefit of the down that he is innocent alleys friends meanwhile are remembering her for her warm. Personality tune is probably one of the those positive radiant people I've ever met. I'm just GonNa miss how the fact that she was always there for me if I needed to talk to her those closest to her still stunned. They won't be seeing their friend again. Everyone misses her like you wouldn't believe tonight is what she was back. In a statement the University of Mississippi offering its condolences we extend our deepest sympathy to her family friends and classmates and stand ready to support them during this time. Jake Thompson is a reporter for the Oxford Eagle newspaper here in town so let's go is covering high school sports now trying to run around and cover of high profile murder investigation and so it's for me it's jarring as well personally professionally on campus showing us the impact of a life lost. This is a sorority row yeah this is this is her sorority. One of them has the black ribbons and in remembrance now of valley their fallen sister shorty sister and that's that's what's going to be the hardest part for them. This you know fraternity house a Sorority House. You spent your non class hours in there with each other sharing your lies stories and Best Friends Gossiping. You know you know just all sorts of that you would do with your friends and when they come back that's going to be a a tough day for the alpha. Phi think you know alley spent four years of the school. She said she was a senior cashiers. Heading this was going to be a starter for senior semester next month and was set to wrap up and spring may walk graduate and and and move on with the restaurant life unfortunately now that doesn't get to happen. I'M MARKUS MORE IN OXFORD MISSISSIPPI coming up the Soho scammer former friend details details goals and skiing's on perspective after this. Hey I'm Dan Harris from A._B._C.. News and I have a podcast and you've listened to it. It's called ten percent happier. It's all about how to stay sane in are increasingly absolutely insane world. We'll talk everybody from the Dalai Lama signs vide- Borton for human gene to Rupaul. You have to explore this life. It's fun that interesting may even change your life. You can listen to it for free on apple podcasts or on your favorite podcasts back to perspective and Sherry Preston. Anna Sorkin is a convicted fraudster her former friend Rachel Williams's speaking out saying she wondered how she missed all the red flags from the convicted con woman she discussed her relationship with Sorkin and her schemes A._B._C.'s Deborah Roberts she just wise very impulsive and free spirited and charming. I really liked her and adobe. We made an impression on everyone she met. Were you sort of seduced by her in her behavior in some ways I'd say yes I was captivated by I was sort of fascinated by her. Willingness to just challenge boundaries claiming claiming to be a German heiress with sixty seven million dollar trust fund. She talked her way into exclusive New York parties and nightclubs which is how she met Rachel Williams in two thousand sixteen then a twenty eight year old photo editor at Vanity Fair Magazine Z. and my late Twenties I was a period of major transition for me and my friends a lot of them were getting married or having babies are leaving the city and I was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend. The the pair soon became inseparable living glamorous life of two young women in Manhattan. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms and sort of do what she wanted to? Some degree probably because he's a young white female also a lot of had to do with her specific charm. She seemed good-willed twenty five year old. Anna treated Rachel two drinks and dinners at exclusive restaurants and even three hundred dollar pop private fitness sessions. Nations alike terror and so we have a lot of fun together but would Rachel didn't know is that her friend was living ally and Adele was actually Anna Sorkin the russian-born daughter of middleclass parents a hotel hopping social drifter now behind bars for a series of wide ranging scams. She wont across New York City. How do you feel about Anna Zorkin? Today I will sociopath Rachel's now speaking on camera for the first time about how she says her former friend betrayed her tail. She recounted her new book. My friend Anna the true story of a fake eras. I don't actually feel a lot of anger mostly. I just feel like I would like to never cross castleberry again. In the beginning Rachel had no reason to down her big-spending new friend came from wealth given her jet-setting lifestyle and big ambitions she went into least this giant building a house <hes> an art collection a gallery space members only lounge shave referred to this family trust she had which I didn't pry about but sort of informed my understanding of her figured she had money yes she came from money and that came out over time in the spring of two thousand Seventeen Rachel tells us Anna offered an all expenses expenses paid trip to Marakesh in a lavish seventy five hundred dollar a night villa shockingly opulent. Your eyes must have been popping out of New York. We didn't these things that Rocco. That's when it was kind of like oh waitress says suddenly Anna's credit cards mysteriously weren't working when it was time to settle up with the hotel the managers began to pull an aside and sort of slowly escalating that there's some tension between Anna and the hotel well after a few days of Hounding Anna the hotel had had enough then just didn't I villa and they're waiting for her to fix it and they want payment. Yes they want credit card that works right there right now like they're done waiting. Rachel tells us she's was fearful of being stranded in a foreign country so she offers her credit cards as a temporary backup even though she can't afford it I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parents how much sixty thousand dollars back in New York Anna Anna doesn't send Rachel the money instead making excuse after excuse texting I will get it sorted so you have this week. What is going on for you internally? I am laid with my rent and late with my credit card payments. I'm like in a lot of trouble aw convinced that she's been duped and goes to authorities in the summer of twenty seventeen police arrest Anna Sorkin in Malibu California if she did this to me and I was her friend she would do. It's anybody and I just wanting to protect other people in is charged with Grand Larceny attempted Grand Larceny and theft of services during the trial prosecutors arguing she stole more than a quarter of a million dollars from banks who tells house and a private jet operator to fund lavish lifestyle and was attorney. Insisting Rachel is not a victim. Rachel testified facing her former friend in court. I wasn't sure what to expect deadly at her. She was smirking at me. Did it unnerves you know shockingly thought it would but I think understanding her for who she was. It caused her to lose her power. In May Twenty eight year old Anna Sorkin was was convicted of eight charges against her including grant larceny but found not guilty of defrauding Rachel. Some of the jurors didn't feel sympathetic for your situation with Anna. How did that feel for you? That was that was devastating. Anna was sentenced to four to twelve years in prison and ordered to pay nearly two hundred thousand dollars in restitution as for that huge credit card bill that you have to pay that money ultimately think thank goodness <hes> American Express did protect me from the hotel charge <hes> which was the bulk of the expenses when you look back on it. Should you've known better I think I I wanted to see the good inherit anything. It's important to see reality into understand. What's your Serbian trust you that again? I'm Deborah Roberts in New York coming up a conversation with Mrs Mark Zuckerberg Priscilla Chan on perspective after this have a dream but don't know where to begin I didn't I didn't want to be limited looking for wisdom for women who've already been there you will constantly be given the opportunity to lose yourself. Welcome to A._B._C.'s no limits. I'm your host Rebecca Jarvis in each week. We're talking to the game. Changing women about success lessons is learned along the way and of course the worst advice and really thought about this worst advice ever you can hear new episodes of no limits every week on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. This is perspective from A._B._C. News. I'm Sherry Preston. Dr Priscilla Chan is one of the world's most prominent philanthropic leaders she striving to make her mark in the field of medicine science and she talked about some of those initiatives this week on Good Morning America with A._B._C.'s A._B._C.'s Robin Roberts she is fast becoming one of the most prominent philanthropic leaders of her generation Dr Priscilla Chan up and coming game changer in the fields of medicine and Science Science Technology Engineering the Harvard Educated U._C._S._f.. School of Medicine Grad is a pediatrician who also runs the Chan Zuckerberg initiative but she and her husband Facebook C._e._o.. Mark Zuckerberg launched in two thousand fifteen following the birth of the first daughter Max. We're going to have a front row seat to the biggest medical breakthrough and generation the initiatives most recent program called rare as one focuses on driving progress in the fight against rare diseases grants will be awarded to ten organizations with four and a half million dollars in initial funding people ask us. Are you going after one disease at a time. No it's really about making every scientist everyone who participates in the scientific process better. We're their experiences that you had that lead you to do the work that you're doing right now. When I was a young physician I would open up a patient's chart and like read something about it and I i? I was embarrassed. I would walk into a room and say I don't know anything about your disease. Can you tell me how do you take care of yourself in these patients and families would teach me train me on what it was like what the disease was in how to best take care of themselves on what worked for them and rare is one is about bringing in that patient voice because they have the insights. I can still remember exact patient rooms where the research didn't materialize in time or we didn't find the right treatment and <hes> exact families and <hes> I think those experiences what makes me realize that we have to do more. The daughter Chinese Vietnamese Refugees Chan who was the first Inter family to go to college says she always knew her life would involve service to others a lot of people open doors for me and if I didn't work hard and try to continue getting trained into actually open doors for others that I wasn't doing my part she and Zuckerberg who married in two thousand twelve are passing on those same lessons two daughters Max and August Audi when still in your children who are growing up in an environment that was that was different. We talk about it. Do you yeah there's three and two and we talk about how lucky we are. How what can we have each other to be happy and healthy in there also kids they? Don't you know my three year Gerald one day. She tells me mom I know about honey. Nut cheerios like what do you know what honey nut cheerios and she's like. I've heard about them and I WANNA box for my birthday. You can't Dan give them on. 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Rocket 243: Anna Delvey is Not Our Friend

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Rocket 243: Anna Delvey is Not Our Friend

"Hello and welcome to rockets accelerated eat conversation small to rochefort is doing at tech stuff for her play so <hes> the role of a moderator is held by needy christina warren and i am joined as always. I'm a senior cod advocate at microsoft and i'm joint point as always by brianna wu democratic candidate or congress. This episode is brought to you by squarespace and express v._p._n. Brie how're you doing i also we have a really amazing. Show this week. We do. Oh my god. It's so good. I'm so call it a get in broadcasting is that what this this is definitely a get this okay get so frequent listener the show that we are obsessed with scams and that we have followed an the and adobe <hes> fake era saga extensively. Will we have an interview with a rich adams who was scammed by anna and wrote a book about it called. Call my friend anna that you're gonna listen to that. I thought was really good like she's awesome and my perception about the whole scenario really really changed after reading her book and so i if you're into scams new enjoy rockets scam town <hes> highly recommend listening to that interview but we've also got some other our tech news as big mobile weeks so andrew ten is available was formerly known as android q. and next week is the big apple apple events and so we were getting like last minutes apple rumors so let's let's just get into decided about. Do we want to apple apple or android for sister with the android. Yes with andrews switch it up. I it's roy is growing up christina. They've gone around away from candy names and they're now getting <music> a nice professional adult mainstream tech name to their so sad really yes i love. I love the code names like i honestly it's one of those things i still love about mac o._s. Formerly known as as low as ten parolee known as mac o._s. ten. They had the big cat names. Now they have the california city names james. I love stuff like that so apparently they couldn't come up with a dessert that started with a q. I still think he would have been fine because you could have a dessert quiche. He should i think but maybe you couldn't but i assume you could but yeah it is android ten. You don't what i think it is. Sometimes i would like see the name of it and it would be the name of a dessert or candy. I don't like an brain would be like. I don't need this update. I what i'm going to stick with stick with the candy. I like which is completely nonsensical but that's how my brain works. You know this is true. This is true so a pixel devices are starting to get the update now <hes> other android manufacturers your mileage may vary because it's android and that's how that works interesting interesting the essential phone which we talked about this with the yeah well right because they basically out of business because you know andy rubin but even though the foam apparently canceled basically two years later you know what snaps and props to essential because it already has the update it already has the android update like today as we record this as the day that it launch the updates available. This is a phone like seven people own right. I love it. 'cause there's some engineer. That's working there like you know it's like the post theranos crash aron chorus completely one person person in the building and he they he she whatever they got it out on time and i just love that idea to this person is going through the code is making sure that the the drivers are aligning is doing all the upstream changes shipping it out like i'm sure that it's like even though they've kept things really sock. It is not a small process. They've got the whole building repackaging process. Let's push the update out before a lot of google owned devices even had i might add and like you said i'm sure it's one engineer who's basically left kind of like like you know mining the the shop at this point so it's one of those things that i have to be like samsung like what are you doing like if essential and i get it against sampson customizes throw us get it but like essential can do this then like what is wooder samsung's. Excuse thirty to snatch this guy up. He's he's lonely. He needs motorola or you know why way or someone snatch up this this person they were real friends real or other random android news before we moved to because i don't think i i don't. I don't have an android advice right now so i'm not going to be able to use this. I i have a couple of my campaign <hes> so the big news is they're getting rid of the back button lately <hes> moving moving to adjust your system yeah like the multitask is go up and hold very similar to iowa's <hes> <hes>. You know it's getting dark now. That's good <hes> there's more permission settings <hes> but the thing i'm really excited about is there seems to be embedded in the code a lot more support for foldable phones old bowl future. You feel well. I mean look obviously we were burned by samsung wants so i'm i'm feeling weird saying this but news also broke today that apparently the galaxy folds will probably never come out because you know we were so excited about it. That's the ultimate rocket rule sober so excited and then like literally the day after we published all the review unit started breaking so the galaxy people will probably never come out but apparently stamps is now working on a device that will fold up like a pocket square this into i. It's weird so i'm into to it yeah. I'll definitely isn't it makes sense to me like that. The tablet phone thing that did make some sense but i think that the way you had to view the galaxy depold and even like the whatever the wall was like would be as <hes> a tablet i that maybe as a secondary thing you could fold and uses a phone. It feels like if a what i'm reading the rumors are correct is that this would be like a own that you would just be able to fold too easily. Put in your pocket. Which i kind of love love. Yeah i mean look from after my selfish point of view christina. This is win win win for rocket. It may be bad for santro sung for android before us if this device comes out. It's a total success we win. We get to gloat and enjoy all magaji. If it bombs that's almost better for the show right completely completely so yeah so <hes> listeners who use android let us know if you're able to get ten otherwise it'll be a while i think before adele's to your campaign and i mostly i have a bunch of android tablets around my house but i don't know if any of them will get the android tablet no but grant it has like five of them and also well well. This is why because i used to be tech reviewer and i have like old stuff like i have more gadgets than god like we were going through stuff. We literally. I always say on twitter. I have every set top box. Ever made and people think that i'm joking. No i like legit do <hes> we. We've been find ones. We found an old roku the other day. <hes> grandma was like we have so many fire tv six. We have so many chrome kospi of somebody. That's i know i'm. I'm fully aware we have everything so we don't like. 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It was just one of those things i really like the square as pop for my like bama play with it support our sponsors and see what's going on and they do make it really easy. I'm going through a process. Ask the different c._m._s. of trying to convert an old scientists something that's <hes> an archive and as a whole pain and i'm like you know what this is. Why <hes> when people ask asked me what they should do. They just wanna easy to build and maintain website. I'm like you should you should go to squarespace so it's an easy sell. We'll find out if scam downtown is available for swimmers ways. We should fund that show that that's that's a really really good idea. Thank you squarespace. Okay rocket listeners. It's christina nick year making a little bit of an edits postproduction edit really to hear our interview with rachel williams the author of the book my friend anna was so good and it went on for a really long time. So what we've actually done is split into two parts so this is the first part of our interview with rachel and the second part will be airing next week. Frequent rocket listeners will know that we're a little bit obsessed with scams from theranos to move past to fire festival. We frequently comment on in. I would even say that we delight in covering scams and scamsters. One of the subjects we've spoken about repeatedly is anna dovey dovey whose whose real name is anna. Sorokin pretended to be a german heiress. She's actually russian and she gritted new york city hotels and her associates out of hundreds of thousands thousands of dollars. She was convicted on several counts of attempted grand larceny earlier this year and sentenced to four to twelve years in prison now. If you know about delhvi it's probably because of jessica pressler's amazing two thousand eighteen new york magazine cover story about horizon fall and shonda rhimes is working on a show about debbie based on pressler's article for net flex now believe we and by we i almost certainly me me because i do recall both simone and possibly bree protesting called l._v. the quote patron saint of rocket and our year end show last december with <hes>. There's something fascinating about a nobody who was successfully s. fully able to convince new york city both businesses and regular people that she was rich but one person who almost certainly does not share in our our delight or kind of the cultural collective delight over delhvi and her crimes is rachel deloche williams one of anna's former friends and one of the biggest victims of anna's ms deception <hes> the d._r. is that delbene invited williams on an all expense paid vacation in marrakesh but then when it came time to pay a anna couldn't come up with the money the intimacy williams to put down her own credit card promising to pare back and the bill was sixty three thousand dollars more than blooms made in an entire year and delhvi then never paid her back and in fact rachel's friend anna wasn't rich at all and this theft is what wound up leading to an arrest williams a former homers photo editor for vanity fair wrote about her experiences with shelby and the impact the crime has had on her life in her book my friend anna and in true fire festival fashion one one and it'll be t._v. Show isn't enough and h._b._o. And lena dunham have optioned racial story and rachel is here with us today to talk about her book and anna rachel thank you so so must much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. That was a great introduction. Yeah i was gonna say. I know that was really long but i wanted to try to kinda. Give people context. Was there anything anything that i missed were misconstrued before we continue no not a bit i feel like i just relived the past well in a eh. Eh not not as the first time so. I wanna tell you and we turned to book you for the show. This is so so true all three of us like usually when we bring an author onto the show. One of us read the book all three of us. Yes became obsessed with this book. I'm reading thing for freaking having rail to different events. I've got my whole staff in my car and they're listening to your book as we're driving from event ventoux event in massachusetts and it's dudes that they don't they don't care about a- i'm like i'm the candidate. You're gonna listen to this and you're gonna like it so in canada. You've got my vote. If i looked at my dad who's running for congress <unk> while i went through part of the experience oh yeah and as a democrat democrat in tennessee <hes> he's mental healthcare professional so it was a curve ball signed. It was his first time running for a cup for public office but i got to see the end zaid of a congressional campaign campaign exhausting work. I grew up in mississippi in christina grew up next door to us well. I'm the ticket instant shined to you guys so yeah. <hes> i mean i guess it was started about the book it really opens with your friendship with <hes> with with anna and yeah. I'm older than you and christina. I'm forty two and i it it it. It really felt like a a agip starts being a genuine millennial friendship. I mean you're going to like this uptown like detox bar. You're being irradiated from the inside five why riding around listening to <hes> listen to hip hop music doing all debts and then it takes us really dark turn in the red the red the media coverage about this new about the hotel the horror there but what i found so compelling about your book was was you kind of go from this friendship into seeing like how deeply uncomfortable it is to see like security guards toasted in your hotel room trying to intimidate you into paying an and edges being deliberately oblivious. I mean i i already know way was it's like i read the book at all or what was that like yeah i think in in manhattan in the in the place where we both lived for a time you know her sort sort of <unk> spontaneity and impulsiveness the weight and the risks seemed much lighter and i didn't realize how deep that sort of risk taking gang went until all of a sudden we were america and she had very little concern for you know safety and an authority in a in a very different setting and it felt out much much more serious and you know over the course of the week that that pressure and intensity intention intensified <hes> until my last they america's when these managers appeared in the villa and would leave without a wouldn't leave without a functioning credit card <hes> and yeah that's when i realized you know what this person. Jason actually isn't someone you know. It was a culmination of things but over the course of that time. I certainly realized this was fun but this isn't a person who shares with my values are shares. My outlook on safety or or worldview are so many different things. I you know it's not that i recognized her as an impostor that stage each but i saw in the friendship that this person i wouldn't take a big step back from yellowish ler so let me ask you about that because this is the question that i had i had it. When i read your vanity affair article i had when i read the new york magazine article had it reading your book and you. You've answered it a little bit but i have. I can't stop fixating on this talk. Let me through the credit card issue like what was that like got you to pull out your not. Just your personal inexpert your corporate amex and hand that over over. Was it just like sharing with it. The fear was it. You believed or like talk me through that because that's the whole thing sharon. I'm trying to imagine myself in this situation. I'm like i don't think i would ever do do that or at least i hope but talk me what that was like part of the way that cons works like khan confidence tricks work i think is it's it's a combination of things have started with once not a small thing but one thing i could wrap my head around which was booking the flights which was a manageable amount of money for me to front but it starts is there and then it's a little bit more and a little bit more and it's kind of like you don't realize how deep you're in when you're in it until you step out of it later and you're like oh my god. How did this happen the a hotel the way that unfolded specifically was very <hes> different. I'd say from the money i fronted outside of the hotel you know for captains in the marketplace for the flights where it added up to a significant amount of money but something i had agreed to to some extent not realizing obviously that she wasn't gonna wire me the money as she promised the hotel itself else you know firstly. I had no idea that i had that high credit limit. That was a shock. I you know i saw all those people saying like how out of this girl at like it was a lot of that charge card not a credit card and usually inexact not correct. It's a soft off-spinning limit. They check your spending patterns responsible lending a group. I didn't know existed until his experience flags account. If you go outside of your regular spending patterns when that morning when i woke up it was it was a thursday was my last full day america. It was the perfect storm. It was like the trainer was sick and needed to go home. Everybody was relying on me you to figure everything out which i can't. You know totally blame them. I had kind of stressed myself into the symbolic <unk> involuntary producer position because it's what i in my nature you know <hes> mhm that i am often and caretaker plus. It was my job <hes> another thing. I think that made me vulnerable is the fact that i was a photo producer and i was so used to operating reading under stress in putting out fires into making sure everybody else have they needed so it actually made me think vulnerable in some ways to a situation sort of getting pulled in and and taking it upon myself although i didn't see a way out of it <hes> but i also think that's the same skill set the problem solving the looking for creative solutions. The the <hes> stress under pressure air. Sorry grace under pressure sort of having to think quickly is part of how i got out of it as well but anyway i was told that the the credit card they needed to have unfiled these two managers who were not leaving without a credit card. I was told that they needed it for a temporary. Hold which hotel is supposed to have before you check in you know when you gaito tell. They have a hotel <unk> credit card on file so that they can authorize whatever incidentals blah blah blah that like that's what they were missing so i was told this credit card is just is going to be on file until misde- l._v. settles the balance which she'll have to do and she will be to settle the full balance when she checks out she was leaving after me the following mm day so i felt kind of had a safety net because i had an earlier flight you know at the first thing in the morning so i thought you know worse case scenario. I'll be gone before her. She can't turn turned to meet a fix this. If i'm already ryan's winning when in actuality what probably happened is that she was able to convince them. Will you have a credit card on file. You can just the news that <hes> so we ended up like you thought like okay. She can't screw me but she did. Let me i got the sense reading reading your book that basically from the minute you handed over that card your anxiety kind of started and and and you started to kind of worry about that a lot you wrote a lot about the ridiculous excuses that she offered over the coming days and weeks. When did it start to sink in that you were in like really deep and that she might not be paying you back or gessler mortal point when it did occur to you that she might not be able to pay you back. It took a painfully long time. I think probably there other people who would have figured that part out faster. I i think part of the reason why it took me so long. It took me to answer your question directly. I think it took me like maybe a month a month. <hes> until i was really questioning whether or not she could access the money at that point. I wasn't questioning that she was who she said she was really believed that for <hes> i take two months because i she was so consistent in her storytelling that whatever i hadn't heard from her directly i heard from other people and i i you know i had gone out out of i had picked up the people who had met her through in sat them down and said what do you know about this person. Where did she come from. How did she get these internships. Who does she know where like how do we know anything about her but everybody everybody said the same story back to me because she had told the same story to so many people and as i think especially hearing it from somebody who is from germany and knew her family that was a wrench that stuck in my gears for the longest you know because i i kept falling back on that as as proof that will it can't be that acas this. You know <hes> rachel. You don't say like so much of your book. Is i feel i was would be like big sister here. I guess i'm reading your book and you're so hard on yourself in the buck. You're like oh. I should have known sooner any our show. I'm gonna tell you i it should cut yourself. Yes you're being operated by professional. Scammers pulled one over on banking institutions institutions like dish. It really cut yourself right. I think i think i consider myself a pretty savvy person. I think i probably would have fallen for this to as other people did so yeah i just i. I don't know i guess my message to you is like you shouldn't in question yourself in your judgment into me. The most delightful parts of the book is <hes>. You have a give a trustee and caring nature that comes through in this book and it's beautiful to say and i just want to tell you. I hope that this griffin didn't steal this from me because it's a it's a part of you. That really shines here and i i want to encourage. You not lose that. That's very nice of you. I appreciate it and i thank you for saying that you know i i think it's important for me to look at this unflinchingly and i think i have erred on the side of critical in order to explore it. Fully that said i also understand. Anna was associated pass <unk> what she did. She is very convincing and like you said you're right. She was fooling. These institutions have systems in place to prevent fraud and still bill. She got away and social setting yeah. I agree. I understand you know i mean the fact that she was able to check into this resort without having a credit card on file out like you can kind of understand i mean i so i travel a lot for work and this this past year i've done like i don't know i think one hundred seventy thousand a mile since january or something and so i do a lot of international travel and i obviously haven't stayed in places as nice as where you were but i i can't even imagine like being at the desk being like oh yeah. I don't have a credit card to give you on file so the fact that she was able to kind of do that thing. I'd breeze exactly right like i. I love that you're being so like unflinchingly honest and self aware about this but breeze totally right. You don't need to beat yourself up over this but i i want to ask you this. What attracted you to annex. You mentioned that you know. She was really good at what she did but what i think personally. I find really fascinating about this. Whole story is that at least to me based on what i read an and obviously i never met her but she's not the archetype connor like she doesn't have. This awesome personality just pulls people in like she she didn't come across as larger than life or even really that charismatic she she seemed kind of fairly average in reading the book and even reading the magazine piece. That interviewed reviewed her. She didn't strike me as that likable. So what was it about her that pulled you and obviously by the time of year in marrakech your opinion had changed but what was it before that talk about that pulled you yeah. That's a it's a really good question. It's actually when i was writing the book. I had to remind myself wait. You liked her. I i'd like to go back and figure out like what was it you know and and i think there is actually a mischaracterization to some small extent where people think i was hanging out with her because she pretended to have money. Which shorter definitely isn't it like. We spent every day in her hotel. That's not interesting your fun. It wasn't this new splashy world. I worked at vanity fair. You know i got to like oscar. Parties like i had a really nice <hes> rich. I mean rich and term like meaning like very fun interesting life outside of the the thing is i just liked her. I liked her spontaneity. I liked her. You know she was very fun loving she was. I liked kind of shielded mischievous. It's bent. I didn't know how deep it went but certainly challenged you know i was so overly concerned with what people thought of me and with you know manners and and and being over concerned about everybody else's happiness and she kind of had this boldness to her that you know was so different than me but i also so. It's just kind of transfixed by it <hes> and i do. I agree with you that when you look at her behavior on paper a lot of it's really kind of deplorable and you question whether or not <hes> anybody wanna would've wanted to spend time with her but she did actually have charisma to the way that she carried herself in pulled off somehow even like in court where everybody was kind of mystified ride by her like oh no it was that same thing just on a different scale back then now the people you're friends with who you met her with like they had fallen outs. It's with her before she came back. So you met our new york and then she left and then she came back like the next year and that's when you really got close. Did you ever like when you talk to the people. You met her <unk> through. Did you ever find out <hes> what had gone on and that give you any like in high obviously in hindsight you can see a million things but we're any of their concerns concerns things that maybe for whatever reason you didn't pick up on or did they fall out with her for like completely. Nonsensical reasons related to any of the scam stuff. It's it's funny. You know i think everything kind of relates to the scam stuff but it's all because it centers on her being. I think a sociopath in not having other people so the reason they fell out had to do with her her into sensitivity. <hes> gotcha wasn't financial but it had to do with anna delivering a piece of really painful information to one of the one of my friends <hes> and she delivered it as though it was like a juicy piece of gossip when it actually causes girl out of pain <hes> and anna's inability to understand how somebody else might feel receiving that news news was the reason they all took a step back. I didn't step back in. I understood that but anna was also very good at figuring out what made other people tick and and you know. I am an older sister. I do like to sort of like help other people it's just in my nature and i think she played off of that it and she kind of told me the story is though she wanted my advice on getting different perspectives like that she needed help and understanding what she done wrong that she seemed a little ah sad that she had isolated herself so she really played off at <hes> pity and me to stay to stick around and try and be a good friend for her. You know i mean i think my very favorite part of the book is people by the way you should absolutely go by this. In read it is the showdown the you have entire army of women screwed over by anna have and you had your iphone going at you have a line by line transcript of it and it is the most painful slash glorious of your book as you go by line by line it people calling her on e._s. An is glorious ed. She's still will drop the act in. We know you have a secret. Just let it out and it is like we've all been there in that like angry girl tornado yeah <unk>. Oh my gosh go through just like like you listen to it and transcribed it out and just added literary context around that how okay no this. It's the same i mean yes and no the same with the whole book if i put in every line of that conversation if i put in nobody nobody would read that book. It was way too painful. It is wage. You would throw my book on the floor and somebody would have killed anna. It's terrible so it as your deeper into it and you're trying to get your money back to her. She's like holding onto this yes. She's she's link link to the end of the kind of get credited me as you said she's associated that she is just like unroll image like no. That's not true like no. I have proof and she's like now now like you've literally said that face backwards ten times like i she you know the thing i like. I think anna is untethered. You know like she believes her. Allies allies and she has nothing weighing her down to reality or morality she can just sort of do whatever she wants unencumbered by normal human concerns for other people apple or for like conscience yeah i would. That's as it goes into the book and you're you're trying to get her. Your where's my money on a plane in the background also my bank. There's a problem with this. There's a problem with that. She trots it out yup literally yelling at the book. I'm like just give her. Damn money listeners. It's christina again. I just wanted to let you know that that concludes the first part of our interview with rachel williams author of my friend anna the second part will be airing next week like i said now now. We recorded this a little bit out of order. You're now going to our final topic which is apple rumors. This is why the transition might be weird right after this ad break. This episode is brought to you by express v._p._n. 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Dot com slash rocket for three months free with a one year package. Take back your online privacy express express v._p._n. Dot com slash rockets are thanks to express v._p._n. For their support rocket and all of relay at 'em okay so this this next topic with all the apple news coming out. We've got a really big event next week. What's i christie. Have you seen this usually the apple invitation. Shen cards have a hint about. I've i've been campaigning. What are the what are the cards this year okay so we're so it's it's it was a it was a weird kind of card. I think where they kind of had like a hidden invitation thing and in the only thing i really noticed it kind of looks <hes> like the swirling apple moti is that there's purple like there aren't six colors. I it's not the typical apple logo colors. It's a different type of thing and so. I don't know if that implies we might be getting. Maybe some some color ways for are you know the successor is or what but but that's happening the other there are like last minute. Rumors rumors apparently like a sleep. Tracking mode is going to be coming to the apple watch and then the idea would be that you could have your to apple. If you are the type of a person must you apple watches. You can have one that you sleep with your sleep watch and then one is like your regular watch now. This is ridiculous but this might actually no. It's not it's a great the idea here would this ridiculous part so i bought an apple watch for last year with my fitness credit and i had an apple watch three that i was going to sell smoke smoked never did and it's been sitting in its box doing nothing. If this comes to fruition i think my apple watch series. Three is going to become my sleep. Watch yeah. I mean it's the same thing for me. D hughes auto sleep which is just fantastic app so i i love slash hate this out because it's like what is things where <hes> i suffer from insomnia and i i don't give good speeches like i've a career where i'm really expected to be public. All the time says sleep tracking is really really important to me and i love oughta asleep because it it gives you a hard stat which could be counterproductive because some days i'm like oh. I feel pretty good and then you look at your watch like four hours of sleep. Oh no but the problem is it drains the battery like i find every single night. I'm trying to charge my apple. Watch just enough to get exactly you get to the whole day right. We're tradeoff where okay if you sleep with your apple watch than when you wake up in the morning when the shower or whatever you've got to put it on the charger and then it gets in and put it on and whatnot and i mean that's fine <hes> i i mean right it. It is just like we we want to live in a world. This fit that i think is so great. This has been the one thing tip it to their credit has had this for a while because they don't have a giant led screen that they have to power. You're very fitbit's have had the sleep tracking built in and a bit bit a good one anyway like especially like the ulcers or whatever the <hes> the smallest ones are they can be. They can go like a week between charging and what's great about that is that for the sleep leap fracking you get that data and their apps isn't as good as some of the stuff that's available for the apple watch but it's built on and it's really really nice and so this. This is one of those things that like obviously we want to get to the place where you can reliably have more than a full day of charge veerappa wash so that you can sleep with it reliably in charge but in the interim you know i i don't hate the idea of having this feature built in <hes> <hes> whether you have to take it off to charge or use multiples what i'm hoping that they do is that they will continue to this. It'd be really nice. I don't know if the series to apple watch just gonna get any updates or not but it seems like you know because you can't recycle the apple watch it would be really nice if they were able to release a software feature that would work with whatever the oldest possible model is that it would work on so that people who might have an older watch that is a little bit slow and they don't wanna use day to day that might not have the waterproof <hes> aspect. Maybe doesn't have the bolton e._k._g. Or whatever isn't a cellular and they could then use that as like their their sleep wash. That would be kinda cool. No no. I think you're dead on <hes>. Let's let's get in through through some of the rumors and just talk about it with <hes> with the upcoming events now the rumer <hes> this was back in august was a apple is thinking about developing a location tag tracking so basically could hold the apple aw hold the iphone up use a._r. Kit in it would find <hes> like tiles or trackers which has been a sponsor rocket basically finding those around around your house with those location trackers dubai this christina do you not i buy it. <hes> the the one i'm not clear on is if this is going to be something they make themselves org. This would be like a feature that would work with the existing heil or tracker. I'm a part of me wishes that they would just kind of us work with the existing bluetooth <hes> <hes> l. e. tracking devices that are out there kind of home kit but part of me. You know realistically thinks that it's apple and so they want to sell their own one little things but i mean this would be great. 'cause i don't know about you but like i misplaced up all the time and when i features on and i love this tracker and other things like that is but like i lose my phone phone. All the time yup and by phone is the greatest feature ever and the find my air pods feature. It doesn't work as well because if you haven't been used in a certain period of time time then like i it's a weird thing but this would be the perfect thing like you put a tile or whatever they call it on your pod case no that's by and and four seconds like less than four seconds and yet my biggest complaint about the tile is it's so difficult to replace. The batteries is not of them. It's bad for the environment where they engineer this of applicant engineer it in a way that solves that problem. I'm all in if it's just another like a <hes> disposable piece of technology. I'll have a word or two for them. <hes> to say on this show so okay another rumor it came out in late august was ceramic ramic and titanium apple watch models. I have a controversial go. I know i okay. Can i tell us i understand why apple would go put out a more expensive version of this like <hes> when the things i've gotten into in this last year is like nice watches like a makeup right right so i understand why apple one introduced something in the premium space but we introduce yet reintroduced but i'm sorry christina. It's just the apple watch you can put the shinier case on it but it's just it's never going to be something like a really high quality omega. It's not no it's just the right and i think i mean like imagine if you're one of those people at wrought the really expensive like i chen apple white guy garage was that twenty thousand fifteen thousand dollars or something for the fourteen carat gold one <hes> yeah so. I thought the ceramic was a good move because they put a lower price point but i still have to be. I think is complete waste of money. I have a nice omega dress. Watch that i have. I vintage vintage. It's probably the nicest thing that i own. I scoured ebay for it forever and that's what i wear when i do t._v. Or i need to be dressy. I just i don't think in apple watch can be like omega. Slash rolex stress wrong. You're not wrong and i think the big reason isn't so much that they couldn't come up with a design designed. That would be timeless enough like that. It's the fact that it has a lifespan right lane. There is a there's a finite lifespan. This the fact is is that if you bought the twenty thousand dollar <unk> apple watch it doesn't work anymore. It was a it was a you know series zero. It didn't even get the updates that the series one which has slightly more memory got like it went and i think to to watch o._s. Three maybe and then it lost all support and <hes> you know with somebody who spent eight hundred dollars on her very first apple watch that was it's a little bit frustrating honestly if i was not in a position that i'm at now where i basically have you know like fitness credit which covers my watch or if i want to get a new one i i would be honest and be like i don't feel like i got eight hundred dollars worth of value for the two years that i had my original stainless steel apple. Watch let alone if i had like a twenty thousand dollar one so there's like a finite life cycle on those things even if you had the design that you could be as good which it's not so i agree with you there. I think what's interesting though so they had the ceramic and i didn't buy it for the series did for the series two in the series three and i didn't buy it for the series three. I didn't buy a series to watch on this only only one. I didn't get but i looked at it. I considered it and it was just the price point was just it was there was like one hundred dollars too hugh much for what i guess my budget was like i'm not gonna do this and i was very happy with the stainless steel this year or last year i guess for the series ford they didn't even have a ceramic option and so i got the rose gold stainless steel. I would have been happy to get ceramic. They'd had it but they didn't even have it as an option so i got the rose gold old or gold colored stainless steel which looks amazing and i love and i don't know i would have to see ceramic. I don't know at this point. If there is anything that would convince me to spend an extra three or four hundred dollars of four were different build that said i do think it's interesting that this rumor morris started because they failed when they originally position napa washes fashion advice it did not succeed where apple watches become remarkably phenomenally successful hospitals when they pivoted to fitness into health and now that it is a big money maker for the company and it's something that a lot of people have and that they're fast enough in the battery. Life is good good enough and and there's no other apps in there things you can do on it that make it valuable. It will be interesting. I think to see what happens if they do make the decision to to reintroduce more fashionable more high end materials to see what the market responses because i don't know like i personally think that the if you were to do a split split of what people buy with apple watch i would guess that it's probably ninety percent buying the sport and and then there would be the other ten percent is is one of the different you know always if you add in the ceramic titanium that you might have a slightly different mix but i don't. I don't know if it will be that not much broader but i also think maybe the opportunity is here now that the watch proven itself as both a real business and as like thing. That's is going to continue to be a thing where you might have people who say yeah. You know what i don't have a problem spending fifteen hundred dollars on a watch this this is my pa- i bought the stainless steel version for the series era apple watch and i really regret that <hes> not because of the money lebed because it didn't add anything was much heavier the the aluminum and <hes> like y bought bought subsequent apple watches. I've gotten the men black <hes> because the aluminum is it's very difficult to distinguish from the stainless steel and i i really i kind of in my mind nine separate. This like this is my functional thing that i wear during the day doing campaign events in anything that's nicer. I wear like a a real watch to in. Just our audience is obviously very geeky. Go start reading about classic watches. It is really really fascinating thing like how they came up with like just to tell the listeners very quickly you have when quartz watches came out in the eighties. They figured out a way to produce this thing. Ill send electric <hes> pulse into it oscillates a certain frequency they figured how to make it cheaply because they would cut the courts just close enough not precision and then the the the chip inside of the courts watch would actually we compensate for the defects in cutting the courts and would then keep correct time by compensating for that so it would actually that's what the chip was for in the eighties eighties <hes> quartz watches and then when you get into like mechanical watches in you look at the beauty and the mechanisms behind go read about the history of the mak- seamaster seamaster. I've just seen this james bond movies and then you start reading about the history of this thing. It's completely awesome spending fifteen eight hundred dollars on something that is beautiful. There's going to be something that you could like be an heirloom. The wear proudly proudly twenty thirty fifty one hundred years from now that makes sense to me whereas an apple like ceramic watch. It just seems like i don't mind and spending money by do wine wasting it. No that makes complete sense and like i said i mean i don't know how many would sell but i could see. I think what's interesting now if they especially because of the rumors are that we might not get new watch <hes> <hes> internals we might just get new like carter models and so if we start to you go into a slower upgrade canes on the watch and if they kind of reach a certain point where you could reliably say i can keep this for five years and the software updates will continue coming and it will continue working that i think puts a higher price point potentially in a different way but you're right. You're never going to have that. This is an heirloom. I can pass it down like my mom. <hes> <hes> dad got her a rolex for her fortieth birthday and she still has it. You know like thirty years later and it's and she's had the face redone. A couple of times times you know got got a different baseball diamonds and whatnot and it's still a beautiful watch in like it will literally work until the end of time you know like <hes> an and and there are <hes> an omega and certain other types of things are like that too like you said you know the the beauty of how mechanical stuff works. There's a whole fandom and an and people who love that that as much as johnny ivan and mark newsom like love watches. That's never going to translate. At least. I don't think into <hes> the smartwatch realm so i'm with you. I mean like like i said i don't know how big this market is but i do think it's interesting that they're potentially reentering it. I thought it was. I thought it was kind of a sign last year when they were like we will just keep it at the stainless steel. I've always bought the stainless steel. I'm with you. I i didn't get my money's worth the eight hundred dollars. I spent on the zero but i do feel like <hes> the series three which i could have sold them made money off of and certainly with the series spore. I liked material better her <hes> the the <hes> mitchell on the face is better and yeah. It's held up better like to cracks and things like that. That's been like a known thing but i personally i liked the gold color a lot and i like kind of that look. I don't have an omega right like i don't have any other watch. This is my only watch so this is going to be what what i wear <hes> and then i'm gonna use different bands to dress up or down but yeah i mean you're you're right like this is not going to be even if you get a really beautiful ceramic or titanium watch like this is not going to be something that you'll be able to pass down in five years. Let alone you know fifteen or twenty or fifty which which is kind of pointing but it is what it is. I'd love to say i agree with you. I'd love to see them. Slow down the upgrade cycle. I think it would just give more value to the people that have bought at that at the last version upgrade for it was really really solid year for it yeah and yeah. I wish they would just slow that down but that's just me okay. Let's go through a few more of these. <hes> of these rumors another remembered. This fringe ally is at iowa. S <hes> i was thirteen is going born to discontinue three d. touch. I'm a huge fan of three d. Pan she would be crushed. This happened but i would understand it so i'm kind of expecting expecting it. You know it's a weird schism. Now where the only devices the support it are the iphone ten <hes> ten s tennis max and i guess some of the older devices they're still in market get to but in terms of like what they currently sell. It's the tennis on the tennis max that ten are doesn't support it none of the ipads supported and never will because of how that technology works and then they've been able to build you know some different things and to the the software on iowa's to kind of replicate those features but i'm with you. I love three times. Shy use it a lot. <hes> it's something that i think has been really good but i'm kind of expecting the next phone will drop it both for cost and sadly sadly i think that just because discover ability and other things enough people just don't even know about it. You know like my mom had it on a couple of phones now. I'm guarantee you. She's never really used it. I sadly have to agree okay so another rumor. This is from august to apple's next. Ipad is going to have a trouble camera array in it so <hes> i adore my ipad pro. I take every single meeting. I don't think i've ever taking a picture that was serious about with it over. No there was a time when they used to put basically the optics in the ipod they will put on the phones and then they dropped back and stop doing that and the thing is that i could understand. Here's the only way i could see that being useful and in this point it doesn't really make sense would be. Let's say if you were one eight like a really big. You finer do four k. video or something and you had really good sensors on. It and you're like okay cool. I can use my ipad. It's gotta really bit battery big store space again record board by video on it and then i can edit on the device to that's such a small market. I kind of don't get the point like at this point. You know become a joke people taking photos with their ipad the only photos oh desire take my ipad genuinely or documents like i use it as a scanner that is i do too. Well okay so to play devil's advocate on this. Though i mean wouldn didn't having a really good camera setup in this i mean let's just imagine but we used to be the same right in but if they put like a link the biggest constraint on the iphone camera getting better in the general sense is the space constraints right right. That's why you have the bump on it because because they just need those millimeter the ipad has so much space in which is why they can't these gorgeous speakers. I don't know if they really put in a camera that just blew the iphone out of the water something you could use for professional photo shoot for professional video shoot. I kinda think i think that would be a really good argument for the pro in ipad pro i mean i guess i think the bigger argument for the pro. If you really are going to be wanting to do professional photo shoot and whatnot the bigger thing is the fact that it has the u._s._b. Seaport and you can now with i've had less plug in an external hard drive and access. Your photos are plugging a card reader and drag them directly into after using like. I think that is more useful. I don't disagree in theory and i think that you could have setups where you're using it. There's a monitor and screen capturing integrate videos and images. I just wonder in practice how often people actually are doing those things because we used to have better better. Were as good iphone. I've had cameras iphone cameras and also the ipad pro is really really thin. They're still bump so i don't know i i wouldn't be opposed to it but i. I don't know it doesn't do anything like i'm not buying a new ipod and i don't know if this swayed this sort of thing. That would push me to be like oh. I'm going to upgrade my ipad kissed. The cameron is better like okay. Okay so <hes> so we have another claim william this coming through that the lead models of the next model iphone are also going to come with triple camera a raise for twenty nine <hes> <hes> this is from april. I'm gonna call this one true. Yeah yeah the leaks. I think that can build leaks that we've all seen him the ugly array. I think that's actually exactly unfortunately what the phone is. Gonna look like yet yeah how you feel about the <hes> the bigger charter that we're thinking this can move up to eighteen charger. Do you believe that one. I mean i hope so yeah i do too. <hes> you know no. It's just it would be something they could do to make charge faster. I think all of us would enjoy that last <hes> actually two more so how do you feel the other rumors. Coming <music> out said <hes> i phone is knocking five g. until at least twenty twenty. I'm gonna call that absolutely true. That's absolutely true. There's no way because at this point i think even then the note it's only on one carrier. It's not widespread enough. Apple is always slow to the latest technologies for about stuff. They just bought tells wireless business which is good but they haven't had time to kind of integrate all that <hes> you know iphone famously didn't get three g until iphone three g it got lt with the iphone five and or the four the for us and <hes> you know that was fairly that was that was at least a year behind an andrew to that point so yeah i i do not expect five g. at all five t you know we should really cover this morin rocket sometime. It's a <hes> you know it's so finicky it so reliant on line of sight with gas <hes> in you know as far as infrastructure there really to put votes up absolutely everywhere to have it working to win it does work is going to be amazing but until then i really cannot think of a technology example where i'm like your apple. Take your time on that. The powertrain is just too big in this just to finish l. T. e. was a good example of that and that didn't have line of sight problems but had the same thing where he wasn't the infrastructure wasn't there when they could conceivably put put it out and waiting was a really good thing because <hes> you know by the time it came out was more widespread actually use it rebel to get faster speeds versus just having the power drain like you said if you've got this this you know extra you know radio signal trying to go out and find things also at this point. Even though i i agree with you like we should definitely be mushy on five g. The potential is great but so much of it right now is complete and utter snake oil. You know it's literally just like a fake marketing thing that they're putting putting on the phones that it will be at least twenty twenty before people will reliably be able to understand what the potential is and even then that's only going to be like the very very i kind of eric kind of like when three g came out on the first kind of revisions were fast compared to what we had before but we're not you know the <hes> the a full capacity so strongly agree and face i d i think that's improved face i d i think that's absolutely true face ideas due for an upgrade. It's good that it's it's not perfect. Yeah you're right. All you know what i have noticed is. It's it's gotten better like this has been really interesting so my biggest complaint with base i._d. Because i'm lazy is that very often look at my phone when i'm laying on my side and i hate having to move my head up and then unlock my phone it has started. It started couple. We'll probably start about six seven weeks ago noticed this. I don't have to move my head. Frequently point either it has learned my face <hes> <hes> on the pillow which would be amazing or the model has automated or whatnot but it is gonna point where i don't have to move my head off the pillow as often which means i don't have to sit up which is brilliant for the lazy so actually think they say is great but yeah i'm with you. I i would love to see even more improvements also around security i would i really want <hes> as good as space ideas and i know that there are ways you can turn it off. I would love it. There was a gesture or there's a seri- command or something that i could say or maybe even like a location aware thing whereas like when i'm in the airport disabled face i d i love it. I think that's a great idea. Keep that would be amazing dow yeah no. This is a good idea re. What are you up to you this week. So i am stopping gun store from opening in debt. <hes> there is a ah just a terrible terrible store like it's one thing i come from the south. I'm not a gun show but <hes> this is a guy that has the most of crude sexist instagram you could possibly imagine and he's rolling into my town where i just bought a house trying to sell assault. Weapons ends are right next to a playground and the community is up in arms about that so frank who is a legal professional went through the data bylaws and found a million ways at this store breaks the parking lots for our l. A. we're going to present that to the town this week in an epic throwdown and with like printed out charts and diagrams and references to our town by laws that we're going to go get that shutdown said that's what i'm up to awesome. I love it so much. I am actually going to exo in portland this weekend king. I'm not i'm not not i've never had the <hes> honor of speaking that would genuinely be like the greatest honor ever <hes> but i go almost every year to the conversation. This'll be my fifth one and <hes> it's my absolute favorite conference ever and i'm really looking forward to it. I already know that some listeners <hes> who i've kind of seen on twitter we'll be there. If you see me obviously rocket rules apply. I would love to see you <hes> if you're there for the conference where the festival were or both <hes> and so i can't wait <hes>. I'm really really excited hi. This is like my thing that i do for myself every year and <hes>. I really excited they should have you speak click. They can't do any better than christine award award obviously so that's very nice. Can we find you online. You can find me at brianna wu on twitter developer brianna wu who on facebook if he was port my campaign for congress you can do that by going to support brianna dot com rate and you can find me at film underscore girl on the twitter and the the instagram's and you can find the videos that i do at work at youtube dot com slash microsoft developer and you can find simone at dum quasar on twitter and instagram uh she might not be here but we love her and be sure to check out a racial williams's book my friend anna and thank you to squarespace ace and express v._p._n. If you liked this episode of the show please leave us review on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast and tell all of with your friends about rocket. This episode of rocket is terminated terminated.

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Rocket 225: I've Got A Dog Clicker

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Rocket 225: I've Got A Dog Clicker

"The. Hello and welcome to rockets, accelerated peak conversation. This episode is brought to you by squarespace and hover. I'm Simone garage for senior video producer folly, gone dot com. And I'm here today with Christina. Warren, senior cloud developer advocate, who spends most of her time in the clouds on an airplane and Briana Lou democratic candidate for congress, Massachusetts. The time has come yet again for us to discuss your Twitter account. Oh. I'm always fan. I just want to let that be known. Yeah. I worked compliment you on your professional Twitter key. Please explain to the rocket lists. What momma needs suck the needs. Oh, you want it so badly. I'm bilby baby. Exploits? Twice started watching the critically acclaimed HBO series succession, and as I was wondering pondering as I do when season two of critically acclaimed HBO series succession would come out. I thought to myself mom needs S U, C C mom needs that suck session momma needs suck. And then I thought to myself now Simone, you can't say that. But it was late repeatedly. I in sectioned myself. And then and then there was an HDMI like communication problem with my TV when I was trying to rewatch season one of succession in the momma didn't have suck and mama really really wanted suck. I who fix it though tweet. Like, I wish I could tweet if I weren't running for office. Again. I just I just say, I'm baby. So you are baby baby is a wonderful name. And I will drop an explainer to it in the show notes. I baby that's what it is my favorite meme, it's very good semi more importantly, so we're not gonna because we have so many other amazing things we have to talk about we're not gonna spend a lot of time on the new Taylor swift single. But everyone listened to it and washed music video because it's amazing. So song of the summer. I'm calling it. Not her like best like uric song. Bit is the first single which is always like the the one. That's like different like is to throw you off. Anyway, it's super fun and and Brennan URI's really hot. So the views everywhere. I agree with that. Everyone stream me because it's good. Put a note in there Simone. Oh, oh, you know what I got. You know what I got? This is going to be horrible delayed so ceaseless now a dog Clara. So that I can make more efficient Timestamps. Sorry. Jim this one is way too late. Pulo explainer in their later for him. Yes. So stream Taylor swift watch succession on HBO. But more importantly today. We're gonna talk about our scary quantum computing future. We're gonna talk about some interesting new gadgets from Samsung. And of course, we will discuss the biggest news of RA gear, which is the results of Anna Dehlvi, aka a MS sarokin trial here in New York City for all the frauds all the frost that she did which we don't have to say allegedly anymore. I'm done with it. At least favorite word, but we'll we'll start off with their delicious hard tech topic of the day. And I'm going to throw this one to bring on a because you you are a hard tech person of the two two of the hard tech people of three on this podcast. So there was this great article in our Seneca about cryptography and the future of cryptography in our security in the age of quantum combined them would you like to explain it? So I was start off by saying this. They're probably people at their with PHD's in quantum computing understand this better than physics. Yeah. Yeah. This is physics. It's it's been it's been Anna's. I've I've tried many times to kind of understand, and and I'm getting better. But yet, no it's like a whole like I had to I had to do an interview with these amazing physicists last you her in London about quantum computing. And it was one of those. Those things where I was like I. Let's talk about the ethical concerns of this stuff because I can't not cannot talk about the science because I'm not I just don't I can talk with these other things about the push and pull between academia and industry. But but stuff. Yeah. You guys you guys talk about it. Right. Because it's like whole level. We could certainly talk about what it means to people what it means for industry. Right. So very similar to to GP's right GP's or better at everything. But they're much better at some things in very similar to that quantum computers are not better at everything, but they are really good at certain specific problems, particularly related to cryptography. So one of the things this article really goes into is how a cryptographic protocol standard is really only good for about twenty years. Like, I was watching the Americans recently. No I season. It's about Diaz encryption, right? Which is this protocol it lasted through the nineties, and then, you know, just pick up a Hewlett Packard for two thousand dollars. It can break the crip shin. Right. So technology marches on today. We have various levels of a yes, encryption one twenty eight to fifty six in currently is estimated. That's probably not gonna have a dependable shelf life past twenty twenty. So what we need to do is start thinking about investing in a cryptographic protocol. So right here Boston believe it or not. They're buying up. A ton of fiber lines indirectly, connecting it down to Washington DC and blaze. So interesting about a cryptographic protocol is actually using physics. It's transmitted through the leads to actually be part of the standard. So it's really really resistant to a man in the middle of tax. So. I think this is absolutely fascinating. And something I think is really important for a national security perspective is China is investing billions upon billions upon billions of dollars in a quantum computing encryption, and I would like to say America step it up and also do the same. So how do you feel about that? I agree. And I would actually say America is significant back. Yeah, we are. So I when I was at Purdue in November. I was there speaking. But while I was there I happened to get a tour of their quantum lab. So Microsoft along with number of other companies, Google, I think IBM there are a number of big companies who are all kind of in this race to build like the first quantum computer. And and Microsoft, and it's kind of quest for that is working with a number of different sites to create the different it particle the the different parts necessary to build the machine. And so at Purdue they are actually. Working on the material or the quantum material that can then be used I guess to kind of advocate like the equivalent of like, the microprocessor it is all a little bit different in in quantum. And and people who know about this about it. The correct me Email, Christina at Cristina dot IS. I will read your notes on the show, but I got to take a look at the facility where they're doing all that research. And it's I can I'm it's led by like academia, like like a used some of the best minds in physics as well as Microsoft employees. And in fact, the guy who was showing me around he works at Microsoft. But before that he actually worked at Purdue, and ran, you know, parts of that department, and then there are other facilities in other parts of the country where they're doing other things. And then I it's being they're trying to to dub it quantum valley in Waterloo on -tario in in Canada. Mike Lazaridis, the one of the founders of research in motion, which is now blackberry. He has actions which is dead. Well, the company still exists. But anyway, like, he look he made billions of dollars when he was a, blackberry and blackberry ultimately failed for lots of reasons. Bad decisions as I mentioned when I mentioned the book that was like my last week, but he's actually like physics guy, and he and his childhood friend, the guy that he founded blackberry whip have both invested like hundreds of millions of dollars in quantum to try to turn Waterloo and decline valley. And and to really do a lot of investment in that space. So there are actively right now, I would say all the major tech companies with poli exception of apple although it's possible that they might be doing some things it really doesn't align with their direct kind of like consumer approach. There are lots and lots of companies that are actively investing in in quantum the big thing right now is just can we get the machine? And then the big thing too is as you say for cryptographic purposes, obviously quantum is really good because it can make things more secure and harder to break the downside. And this is like always like how the catch twenty. To is that once we do have quantum machines. It will be like ridiculously easy to break, the cryptographic standards that that that were not created using quantum. Right. So it's one of those things where it's like you you want to get there. But although it can it can potentially aid in making things more secure and making really, you know, interesting, you know, a creating really interesting algorithms, it'll be really really tough to crack at the same time the power that these things have will mean that it could become trivial, especially we get into a place where you have like cloud access to cloud to quantum computers, which is obviously one of the things that that Microsoft wants to do and and other companies want to do that as well. Because the idea isn't that everybody will have a quantum computer. It's like you'll rent time on it. The will become trivial to break, you know, like, a current types of standards and so. That's kind of like the push and pull is that. It's it's on the one hand like it can lead to much more secure things on the other hand, it will aid and in kind of cracking the cryptography that already exists in the disorder March forward, right? Like is. They're trying to break. Yeah. So and and I'm not saying, I'm not saying this to discount the importance. I'm just saying like one of the things we have to think about only thing about cryptography is that the latest standards are very hard for, you know, takes a long time for people to deduct so just because like eight yes. Toothy six they're saying, okay might be broken or one twenty eight rather to fifty six I think is a few more years out like we'll be broken in twenty twenty that means, but that doesn't mean that all the devices and all the things that are using ESPN twenty eight will no longer be an use. And in fact, will see with home devices and with internet of things and with the way people upgrade step in the lack of updates. You could conceivably. I mean, we even saw this with wireless standards with weap- W EP which was broken years and years and years ago, you still sometimes the access points running that WPA is the same thing. Like people have found ways to break it yet. Those standards are still in use. And so, you know, obviously, this is good to have a March forward. But I think it's also important that we all recognize that just because we have newer cryptographic protocols the old ones, especially, you know, the ones that will become as time marches on easier and easier to decrypt will remain in use for a long long time. And that's something to be concerned about, and that's why you have to kind of look at, you know, additional means of security and and things like that. No, a thick the truly fair. I would say though, that like it's one thing if you know for like say Russia, if they're trying to break a specific cryptographic message, right? Like, they could throw a lot of computing power to break one. Tar. There's a huge difference in light being able to dragnet things at like me, a break all the cryptography along the line versus having one dedicated target, and you're going to do that. So I fully agree with your point like W P. That's a it's a horror show. But it is it is I just want people to know, it is going to take longer for you to specifically be a target on that just because you're less likely to be targeted than say, you know, CIA transmission or the FBI or something like that. So we've got to move forward. It's really important. We have a tech focused policy to mandate. These moves for what was seen repeatedly is people tend to take the cheapest option with these things and upgrading securities expensive, the Antic. This government has world play yet and asked I think this is one of those cases where you kind of see even though there is like a push and pull for real a between kind of academia and industry. You actually think that it's just one of those examines quantum specifically where the future is only going to be driven by the working together. Because you have you know, the Acadamy researchers for doing a lot of the stuff, but you really do kind of need the business case in the money from that because we can't expect like we used to live in a world where like, you know, the the department of defense, you know, would would basically fund what would become the internet and would would do all kinds of other things. That's not the case anymore. Right. Like that. Unfortunately is not what happens, and I think it would be difficult to make that argument to a lot of payers today to say, oh, this is the sort of research that we as a government are going to lead right now other governments do do this. But our government does not. And so, you know becomes this important place where endowments of researchers academics. And then of course, you know, big business all working together and win businesses. See a use case that can also in my opinion, encourage the adoption and the rollout because they now have like. 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Everyone seen these bonkers TV concepts from Samsung king of concepts. Samsung has shown off this a couple of new models of TV that will be doing in South Korea. But the one we're talking about today is called the Cerro. S E R O N. It is a TV that will pivot from vertical or swivel from vertical horizontal depending on your own who whims. And it is to encourage people to basically stream stuff from their smartphones to their TV's Kosovo, which smartphone content is a vertical. So the idea is you can pop it on your TV in some kind of cool party situation. And then it will be the correct appearance. You might be able to tell by tone that I think that this is silly. But really, I do I don't know. I'm I'm definitely I feel like here's the thing. I feel like it's silly. But I also feel like I'm going to be proven wrong. Probably in like shown up as a an old lead iit who at the age of twenty eight can't handle a vertical TV that can also serve as a digital photo frame or music visualize earlier and has Bixby Bilton. Okay. I kind of love this. I'm not gonna lie. This is this is how I feel about this. I think all screens, generally, speaking should rotate. Yes. It's the side all of not just TV's. I wish I maxed it like sometimes when going through contracts and stuff like that. I would love to just be able to turn my competitor like read it page by page. Yeah. And for me, like the ability to MIR an awesome ipad game to my home television, or like a video that I took in the wrong, Gloria, Dacian, whatever I kinda loved this. And I think this is I it's not like a primary use case. But it's like we're at a point of diminishing returns on television technology, and like, oh, this is an easy win in my opinion. I mean, so I have a couple of monitors at work, and they are, unfortunately, not four K, but they are very nice and one of the things that I like most about them is how easy it is to rotate them. So like in the. Days if you wanted to like rotate, your monitor it was kind of a big pain where you have to like d you take the whole thing apart like added different hip of mount do this whole process this one like it's not as easy as this turns out to be, but it's not like a hard process at all. And so I quite enjoy especially if I'm doing a lot of like Email or recommendation or certain web design stuff or whatever like I love to rotate my monitor, and I would love to be able to rotate my TV for the same reason maybe have an ipad game or an iphone game. Or maybe like. Yeah. Like, you said, you take the video the wrong way. Or maybe I don't know like you're gonna use your TV as your monitor because a lot of people do that. I don't know. I'm a fan I'm into this. Like the idea I like monitors that can switch between vertical and horizontal, but I've I only ever used my TV as the second screen when I'm Leone doing stuff on my computer my phone, and I'm only ever watching like the critically. Acclaimed HBO show succession, right, okay. Hear me out on this. Because this could be kind of cool. So like because of how why this is you can have like a full maybe potentially like ten eighty p thing at the top. Right. Where you see it? The full amount is not gonna fill up the screen, and then underneath it. You could have room for other stuff if you wanted to maybe split screen like have other content up or do something. I don't know. They're like I'm in the limited b so far away from my face, not necessarily I living room. Yeah. All the time of my husband. And it's like I wanna play a game. Like, maybe I wanna play final fantasy fourteen just level at my craft in class or whatever. And he wants to watch Star Trek, whatever I would love to have the just one on top of the other. They'll be a mad that would be really cool, actually if they could do that. I don't know. Like, this is an interesting concept. I'm into it. I do I do think it is a statically very appealing. It has this very modern looking clean lines stand that is mostly covered when it swivels in diverting. And then kind of. Props it up when it is horizontal I do think it's very attractive. It just would not work with my decor. So I mean what what's interesting to me. And I look I'm not convinced. This whole idea is gonna take off. They're just doing this in in Korea. Who knows if we will even see this in the United States? I kinda doubt it, but this would be an interesting thing where if this took off and actually the creating makes sense for this when I think about it because they're well. Okay. Because so much of like a MC Bong and like so much of their kind of like a streaming apps people use their phones with vertical video. So you could kind of conceivable way where people are wanting to tune into that type of contents, then you wanna see article, but what would be interesting if this did take off would be if you would see like content creators genuinely playing around with like the vertical format that would be kinda cool and not just in like a Snapchat anyway. But like in an actual like we're going to alter our cameras are doing things and make our frames differently. Maybe show on I don't know that would at least be that would be. Interesting like, I season three of critically acclaimed HBO series succession, if the inside play or like or black mirror to come comeback or something. You know what? I mean. Like dow. Oh boy. Yeah. I'm just saying like there could be some cool things. And in addition to critically acclaimed HBO show succession, which yes would be a great use of this. You could just see some, you know, Nep likes doing some interesting kind of things. But yeah, actually like, I think that with the kind of the rise of kind of the the livestream kind of component of what happens was happening in South Korea. And especially in China to I could actually see that being like, oh, well, we have a lot of this content that we might want to you know, cast or s- into the into the screen this way, I will say the other two TV's that are part of this lineup. The Sarah in the frame. I think that they are very attractive like as the best looking TV's I've seen they they look basically invisible. In terms of the frame of them. Ha the frame the frame, the friend this. Episode of rocket has also brought to you by hover on friends over at hover binding domain. Name is the first step to building your online identity with hover you find the demand. 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Thank you so much hover for your support of this show and relay fem. Well, well, it's finally time to talk about at the trial century. Oh, God how I wish there. Honestly, I would have given anything to be in the courtroom for the trial. So Anna Dehlvi are I keep forgetting her her work? She's in adobe. I don't care. It's we're gonna call her in adult. She was found guilty. Yeah. She's the patron Saint of this podcast hatred. State of scams in this podcast found guilty of second degree grand larceny theft of services in one count of first degree attempted grand larceny in shape. I somehow missed this. She's twenty ish. It's the same age as me, and she's committed Fermo crimes than I have in my ears on this earth, her life Riley. I mean, truly she's lived in a way that I mean, look, you're not in jail. So yes, she hasn't been she hasn't been sentenced. So we don't know what. Her sentencing is going to be but she was found guilty on most. But not all. A charges, which is which is interesting. So please do stand on the charges that she was not from guilty of because I know you want to I'll I really do. I was going to try to find the the link of if you are not familiar with Anna Shelby, she basically pretended to be a rich heiress from Germany. She's actually Russian, but she did live in Germany for a time and was able to con a lot of like rich people in New York City, the who's who list of people that shoop is one of them. And then she kind of had like a a series of scams to try to kind of get Bank loans, but she never actually successfully got to open some sort of art studio in and then she, you know, rub shoulders important people and then along the way. Staying in hotels without actually putting credit cards downs and running up huge bills. And then she took a couple of friends on this. You know, amazing vacation to Marrakesh. And then just oh my gosh. My mom my credit card. Just isn't working is just a problem in and convinced the twenty nine year old of Vanity Fair a photo editor to put down her corporate card to pay for the sixty thousand dollar fee. And and then of course, you never paid the money back, and then she was finally a arrested, and there was a fantastic fantastic. Fantastic. Newark magazine profile of her that ran last year that is going to be the basis of shonda rhimes show a net flicks. The Vanity Fair author a person who is who was stolen from. She was she wrote an article for vanity parents, not as good as New York MAG one she would option that to Lena Dunham HBO and also has a book. Deal. So, you know, if you if you thought that you you are having some like theranos Malays, and we're upset is going to be a while until we we see the theranos movie and Hulu TV show never fear because an adobe is here. Also, we should add we might have mentioned this on pass pods. But she her her lawyer went to like h name and other places. Unlike bought her like better clothes. I looks pretty good. I mean, Beijing are you kidding? It's classes, it's like, no. I wrote. Oh, wow. She looks fantastic. I just love that. They were like, yes, it's important that she maintains her brand and make no mistake say the Christine if you ever went to jail for like skimming people for millions of dollars in like we're brought up on fraud charges. I think he would rock it even harder just in mind. Oh, yeah. I I would be like, okay. My my my favorite person ever is Martha Stewart and one of the reasons I love Martha Stewart, and unfortunately, I think is probably did lead to her conviction, which was totally b s like so many people have done so much worse. And then she actually went to jail and she would joke. She was like it's better for my company. If I just do the time rather than like appealing at all this like no that. Yeah. No. She's a frigging boss with people were mad because she had like a really nice handbag. The jurors will like turned off by it. But she's Martha freaking Stewart is she supposed to have like a bad handbag. No, she's gonna have her to me or whatever the hell. She was carrying. And I was like yes, it was just a to me that's a one. Well, this was when to me was nicer, and and in in so with some other things, but you know, she had like probably like a six hundred dollar bag or something and people were like Kay. Oh, I'm shocked, and it's like, okay, please. It's not only should the Birkin. Although she I'm sure she has a Birkin and even if. She had the Birkin and Birkin bags up with the audience are like twenty thousand dollars if you can get one you can some sign the for less, but twenty thousand from what I understand is about what you're not wrong. I'm looking looking them up right now. Yep. Yeah. Because I I've looked I've considered and then I'm like, no, that's not. I don't have the party for that. But yeah. So if I ever if I ever get indicted on weird scam charges. Make no mistake. Yes. I will be wearing I will be wearing everything I will be like looking guard like make no mistake. So there was a great New York Times piece with the seven most bizarre highlights from her trial. And I love all seven of the not good. They're so good. This whole piece is it's subtly sarcastic the way the best New York Times pieces are got like the Rachel Williams. The woman that wrote about this originally for Vanity Fair the one that wrote that amazing piece she went at. Testified sheep a trade her. She was there, and she would to court and told them all of it. Yeah. That was a Bill for sixty thousand dollars. All this other stuff. It was great. It was great and unfortunately for racial Williams too. And she her Vanity Fair piece was great. But the just got Pressler piece from New York MAG is like the definitive fair bite, but but unfortunately, for racial Williams, Anna was found not guilty on the larceny charges associated with that. Because. So one of the jurors one this is quitting for the New York Times. Right. One juror who gave her name only as Debbie explained. In an interview why the jury had found Misora can not guilty. A flea seen MS Williams of some sixty thousand dollars and a lot of nice things for her. And she accepted it right down to the spa. And you know, talked about this sixty thousand dollars Morocco. Now, I think that seems a little unfair like in my mind, like she accepted this trip because her friend told her it was all going to be paid for did partake in the opulence and luxury, but she only accepted because her friend was like, oh, I'll pay for all this, and yes, she she went along with it. But then her friend, which she didn't go along with her friend being like, oh, yeah. I just need to put a card down. And then it was one of those things where the hotel because Anna hadn't paid they had all these scary people there in a foreign country. The I guess the the yoga teacher who is getting paid three hundred dollars a session left. He was not feeling good lucky for her, and and and racial Williams's big mistake. And I'm just gonna say this, look, I have like a huge amount of sympathy for this for this woman. Like, I really do. And and also congrats to her on optioning her her storage for TB in book. That's awesome. Here's the thing. She was twenty nine and she put down her corporate card. I can only speak for myself here. And I'm not saying it would be a very stressful situation. And and it wouldn't be like very intimidating. It'd be like you have all these people who were saying all this stuff to you. But I don't think that there's anything ever that would I I wouldn't put my corporate card down. I sixty thousand dollars at some delays. I just I just wouldn't you know what I mean? It would be one of those things where you know, you would have to call people in and whatnot. And I find I'd see if I could I would pay my way to get. Out of the situation and to fly out of Marrakesh, and and smell you later, Anna. But I I would not be pressured by anybody to put that down. And so I have a feeling that beyond just the whole like, oh, she accepted the stuff thing. It's more like while she willingly gave her credit card over right? Like, that's kind of. I would hope that I would ask in that scenario. But I also like, I don't maybe if I thought that I were Abeche be thrown into jail or something in a country where I didn't speak the language. I don't know. I might I might do some foolish things. I don't know. I mean, look like, I can imagine. It's very stressful. I just feel like this is a lesson for anyone if you're ever in a situation like that unless the reservation was made under your name, and like you'd put a card down like you don't owed them. That's thing. Yeah. Like, it would be Anna on the line. Like, it would not be you like they could they could threaten you. And obviously woke as they want their money. And I'm sure it was very stressful. But like come on girl, you're twenty nine like and in your friend completely. Like that is completely legit. Like that is like, yeah. You know what? That's let's call. The again, that's called smell you later and like CA. With all that like, I'm Audi Audi five thousand. But, but yeah, I know this was so interesting I up this was also one of the funny things from the New York Times thing was was that she, you know, had she was in these hotels where she had no money, you should no intention to pay. No ability to pay, and then she continued to feast on the menu are according to the people there, you know, getting six dollar diet, covy stone and refill the mini VAR. And I love this at the w hotel near the World Trade Center, she racked up which I was at two weeks ago. A she racked up a six hundred seventy nine dollar Bill for incidental expenses. That's an awful lot of Eminem's MS Mikhail adage, she empty out the mini bar, and then asked w hotel to refill it. I would like to point out that is actually amazing that she was able to get six hundred seventy nine dollars out of their many bar. And I'll tell you what I'll tell you why. Because I've saved this hotel number times and their restaurants is is not open. They don't have a restaurant. So which is frustrating because then you have. Get delivery. And then you have to go all the way downstairs, go out get it, and you have to come up to the floor and go backups you to your sweet like, it's a pain. So they have like a bar service. I guess and they could they bring up bottles, but they have like the standard snacks. Even like, the w in time swear, and the w in union square have much their sex, for instance, like you can Mahler free snacks. Like you. Get the gummy bears like you get the ten dollar gummy bears from from from the wwl twelve dollar, whatever. And you get the Eminem's the you get the the peanut and the and the regular in one thing, and you get like the the pop ships, and you get the Pringles, but it's not like I'm genuinely trying to think is I've spent a lot of time in W hotels. I don't know how you get six hundred seventy nine dollars unless you're Titian Christine other. I I'm impressed. Like, I'm impressed mostly just because I've spent like I was in that hotel for like a week like like two weeks ago. So I I'm impressed like. Good job. Like, I mean, that's why she's a professional in as her attorney said in his opening defence. There is a little bit of antediluvian all of us in if we all Christina sugar. And if we wait will evolve felt that temptation, but not all of us managed to ascend to her heights. And that is how she got that much money out of a mini bar. So so before we move on final I of a pinion. This may be a controversial Pinon. We all know Kate. Mckinnon universal crush rocket like sorry Frank of attempted to. Yeah. She is going to play list with homes in the movie, and I feel he has enough range that she could actually also play IRNA the Netflix series. She could do both of them like they don't like that me. I think she's talented. You could do it. I would say she'd be ideal. But she could do it look. She's absolutely talented enough to do it. I don't like that just because I like to keep my to like people separate mostly because like I love Anna and Lisbeth homes is the worst. So I don't want to complete two when I see the person one thing, my favorite like antidote will be thing from the Jessica Pressler story is apparently jus- oppressive like talk to her. I was like oh Lindsay Lohan wants to play you and his response, which is a accurate and b just amazing. She's like she's too old. I mean, look, she's not wrong. Because Lindsay Lohan is like thirty three going on sixty. And and also like she doesn't have you know, the ranch or the talent for that role. But she doesn't I'm sorry. But yeah, I don't who. Who would we want as an adobe because Jennifer j laws are gonna be Elizabeth homes. What about the woman who plays failing Woodley killing Willie? We could Elizabeth Olsen. I could see. Oh, wow. Yeah. I could see that too. I'm gonna say Elizabeth Olsen. But here's the great thing. We have two of them. We have the net flicks one. And we have the HBO one. You're so right. You're so right. We have all we can have them both shading on one and Elizabeth Olsen on the other. But yeah, I think Shalin Woodley would actually be good Lisbeth Olsen who else would be good. Maybe I think on it. But yeah, I think that's that's good stuff. So before we get to the final topic, I propose we end the show because our final topic is gonna have full spoilers. And then if you're interested in having basically vendors and game ruined or you've already seen it. You can stay through how to say, absolutely agree. It sounds really great to me because I'm going to be leaving you to have the spoiler shot by yourselves 'cause I still didn't make time this weekend to see because I was. Oh, oh, I know circuit we still moving onto our doing this week. I'll seeing avengers and game. I swear to God. I promise it'll happen. Oh, yeah. We had our video another one of the videos that we shot with celebrities. Go up today on YouTube dot com polygon in this time. It's Pat playing dark souls with t pain, which is great as it sounds. That said I'm not suppress t pain was available to come to. So he was actually in the middle of her. Okay. Yeah. He was performing in Philadelphia when they when they caught him up in made time for him. But now he is vocal note. So he has to had to postpone his tour. So what are you doing this week brief? This week guys. I I had a thread go pretty viral on Twitter this weekend about HSEN skinks series. You know, the latest shooter at the synagogue was an avid user of HSEN, Mississippi second mass shooter that's come out of h him the sheer as I'm sure listeners know, h really human thing during gamer gate fortune and one time band game agape H M became wildly popular. And I had a thread about my Bisconti, my efforts to get law enforcement to seriously look at HSEN, including to talks with the Obama White House and several meetings with the FBI federal prosecutors, they did nothing and we've had our second mass shooting from there. So I'm gonna have a piece in the near times this week on that it's an honor. But it's also a really important policy situation. So misspend all day more working writing that. I'm also going to be on CBS later this week talking about those well laugh Gladio the opportunity to write about that though down her. It's like we ther- act on the stuff now, like rocket listeners will agree. I'm sure like you. We don't want the government looking in and saying we can or cannot say like child pornography is not protected speech publishing. People's Credit card information is not protected speech and demand of illegal things were happening on H L is just a slammed on for prosecutors, some talk feel Christina. What are you doing this week? So I will be in San Jose for a day. I'm doing final prep book four Microsoft, build which is going to be next week. Yes, it is also the same week as Google I o. So there is a lot and lots of developer stuff. So I'm not going to be on. The show next week because I won't be heads down with build stuff out. But if you are in the Seattle area, we are also having a bits of build community day on Thursday that is the ninth may ninth, and it is actually free, and you don't have to be a build a tendency to come. But we are looking for, you know, people who are from underrepresented groups minorities women, non binary minner welcomes to of course. But but just we're really kind of, you know, making this a community day thing. And and I'm actually going to be doing the keynote. So if a if you're in the Seattle area, and you have you want to do I'm going to give smoke the link to that. And you can check that on the show notes. But that is that is what I'm up to. So I very little travel very last minute travel, but I will be at a build next year. Congratulations on doing the keynote Christina. Thank you so much. Oh, and work. We find you guys online brianna Wu on Twitter, you can support my campaign at support bradtha dot com in Briana developer brianna who on Facebook and Christina. You can find me at film underscore girl on the Twitter and the Instagram's including Maya various stories of and hotel tours, which I think I'm going to have to turn into a way where I can like us save them. So people can can view them because seems to be everybody's favorite show is my hotel tours. And I'm also you can find the videos that I do at work at YouTube dot com slash Microsoft developer. Excellent acuff. I'm yet YouTube dot com slash polygon and on Twitter at dum quasar where we'll be posting all kinds of content about the critically acclaimed HBO series succession. And sorry, I'm gonna keep making that joke. I will never stop looking forward to season two. And of course, if you like this show rocket please do review it's on apple podcasts and share it with friends that they can enjoy it as well. And now we are going to transition. This is your big siren warning into avengers endgame. Spoiler talk. I'm going to be dropping out of the call to let my darling co hosts go wild. For however long they want without my adult supervision on that ferry leave. Yeah. I was disappointed. Did not see. I am disappointed in me too. We'll have to do will you can talk about it without me next week a little bit. But smoked you need to see it like ace because it's really good as soon as I woke up this morning. I realized what a mistake I had made. I mean, it's only made like one point she billion dollars at the box office, not off me baby. I'm keeping my money. Okay. And try your talk guys. I'll talk to you later. Bye. All right. So a little bit of a note here we recorded fantastic commentary for a good twenty minutes about s- avengers in game. And I was not recording. And because Simone is not on the call. We do not have a call record a copy of it. So we are starting over there were six student talk to you for twenty minutes about marvel movie, the ultimate marvel movie. So all right. Okay. All right. So so so free. I wanna get your your thoughts. What what did you think of game? Okay. So overall, I really think this is something we've never seen before in film. Right. Like, they took a twenty two film series. And put an end Kaplan it in gave the audience an emotional like cook Tharcisse to all of these you don't like Christina. They're about to put out ways JAMES BOND, which as well. On movie is at the new stadium. Crack went right on twenty five or something the kid even keep the same actor much like a single story, and it's been going for like more than fifty years. You know? Yes. And get in twenty five movies. I believe at this point. So for this to go through into us. Time travel's a plot device to to give everyone a moment to like lick meet every character or most of them and go have a moment to go back and visit with people that died and let all of the core ventures have like a a moment of emotional catharsis in the audience. I just I really think it's an artistic achievement. Like we've never seen before. And phil. Yeah. No. I totally agree. And I I was just I loved it. I had a great time. I saw a couple of days early in Stockholm. And so it was kind of cool to see it on opening night there. Where in speeding? It was an English with with Swedish subtitles, and it felt like just a great culmination to like you said that kind of everything kind of builds up, and what I really appreciated was that even though and in our first conversation we talked about this little bit. But we'll talk about it again. Even though there might be some handwriting that we didn't get to see as many of some of the ancillary characters people, we've come to know and love what happens with these movies because you know, like there are so many people in this thing that you literally people will come in for like a day, and they'll get like a scene, you know, maybe in sometimes it'll even be cut. I really liked the focus on this was just on our core adventures. Like, that's what I really appreciate. It got definitely. So I initially thought that like if he had not seen most of the movies before it, maybe wouldn't be lost. But it would just it would be hard to connect with this rather convoluted plot, but you saw you saw this with someone who had not seen all the movies. And they said they were okay with it. I know. Yeah. Totally like. You know, like you said like, I think that there's probably an emotional connection with some of the Indian some of the deaths some of the ways that characters concluded that you wouldn't have that same sort of emotional resonance if you hadn't seen the others. But Mel like who who I saw it with like, I even sent her YouTube videos, like, you know, forty minutes long, like all the things, you know, you need to know from Gaiman or before in game. And she didn't watch it, and she's probably seen a couple of the iron man's, and and and stuff on airplanes. But like, she doesn't know the whole thing. She doesn't care like she's not you know, what I mean. She's like the average person, and she's still got it. She still understood what was happening. And and so that was I thought really good storytelling a really good writing. Because some of the marvel movies, they do a good job without right? There's enough exposition that you can come in blind and kind of know, but some of them they don't write like some of them. It's really I think marvel typically does a better job than DC DC really kind of expects you've seen all of their ridiculously poor. Paste like bad idea, you know, stuff. They really want you to see Justice league, which is a terrible movie. And like, oh, you know what I mean? But like, but they they reference a lot about stuff, whereas this the reference things, but if you had if you coming in blind like you would be able to to to know the gist of what was going on. And and understand even if you didn't get like, the intricacies of the relationship between characters like you could see like, oh, this is really impactful. You know, what I mean like, you could see like the scene with with a with a black widow and Hawkeye like, you know, when when before she dies, you know, like you see like their emotional kind of like relationship, even if you were unaware of the backstory of that like, you know, that comes through because the both of them are such good actors. I am I am still mad about black widow. Dine by the way. Like that. I I'm not down with that. I was pretty pissed about that. I was very pissed. I felt like it was I felt like black widow. If you're going to have Duff like wolverine had an amazing depth and ironman got an amazing death. I felt like black widows death was it was it was lazy. It was not earned. It was barely reflected on by the back of the cow by the rest of the cast. And I really feel I really feel like it's the worst part of the movie by far yet. Totally. I mean, and I wonder if part of the reason it wasn't as reflected on by the cast is the fact that we know like her contracts not up like there's at least one block with a movie in the works. It would be shocking to me if there was only one right? Like, she is they're they're big female star. It to me. I am. I will be honest. It's annoyed me always that. It has taken this long for us to get a black widow movie, right? Like, I love capture marvel. I love a brief. Arson Larson, I love her to death. But like Scarlett Johansson, you know, has been the female lead of this of this series. And of this franchise, and it's kinda messed up that like she's the last one to get her own solo film. Right. Like that's kind of that's kind of messed up like that's not know, especially when she's one of the biggest names in the cast. That's what I'm saying. Like like, okay because we were talking about this before our earlier talked to both of us were kind of mad at Jeremy Renner because of his comments. About how black widow was was kind of a slut or whatever. And and Chris Evans like apologize because he's the good Chris and germy runner. Never really did. But we both kind of agreed sort of forgave him. Because he was so talented in this movie. But the interesting thing there, and like I've always said there's like he's a real actor not to say that the others aren't. But like he's not an action star like he has been an Oscar nominee films. He's been nominated for Oscars like he's like a legit actor and the same thing with her rage in. I'd like Scarlett Johansson, she doesn't at least with the writing. I've seen her one note. I think she's actually I think she's a lot of range like watch a watch Vicky Cristina Barcelona. She's great not she's great and goes roll the guy actually think she's very good. She's great matchpoint. She's good at her. Like, I really I think she's a very talented actress, right? And again, she's also been nominated for for awards. She's not just an action star. Rightly she's not as talented to say Shirley's Thron who is. Obviously the most talented of like the actresses who can go from drama to action film, but Natalie Portman right now Lee Portman doesn't do action. But I mean, she was in Thor. But she doesn't do really the action up the same way. Right. Like now Portman is I think one of the talented actresses period, Amy Adams as well. But like Shirley's thrown is like a ledge like Mad Max like action star. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, okay. But yet she's Osco Oscar winner anyway, but but both of them are just say like one of the problems. I mean, it's it's always a writing because women just don't have the biggest range of parts and like take her and ghost wrote. Right. Like she's count. The penalty furious. I'd kick that is maturing faster than Enid is right. That's kind of the same like kind of anger anger bubbling underneath that's guys of secure Akhter is black widow, which is kind of the Sinkichi. She isn't ghost in the shell. Which is kind of finally, well, it's like well. About. I mean, I think the weird thing there, and it's hard is that like goose role is the film it made her like when that movie came out. She was the breakout star like nobody poor thrower. Birch right who'd been hacking forever. Knowing care about the Roberto Rudy was like who is this other girl? We she's amazing. We wanna cast her which is fair because she's far and away like the best part of that movie. R I p Brad Renfro. But like, you know, that that movie belongs to in my opinion way belongs scholarship Hanson. But back to endgame like. Yeah, I was upset with with her death. But the only way I guess I can I'm trying to reconcile their treatment of things because obviously you can't expect them to give as much time or dedicate as much time as they did to Tony, right? Because Tony is sure the heart and soul of the entire franchise. But I was still annoyed that it didn't have like more stop. I'm I'm with that. So, but the only way I reconcile. That I guess is by saying, okay? Well, what'll happen is that she's getting at least one prequel she might be getting more. And will we haven't seen the last of her? That's the only way I can kind of reconcile it. But it was that that disappointed me. I was pretty angry about that. But what's interesting is even though they did like I said they focused on the core six it was sort of frustrating. Some seeing some of the other characters were there like I love captain marvel, but she didn't need to be in this movie should not she's in it for two scenes, and she's like, oh other planets have these stuff. And it's like, okay, you're here for literally cameo. They literally in my opinion. There was no reason that they needed to introduce her in this film, like because when they go into the next phase where she's going to have a much more prominent role like that felt like that might have been the more opportune time or just have her at the end in the sequence where they have everybody from the entire M C, you, you know, in that sequence like that that maybe would have felt better because it just it felt awkward that like she starts out that she's at part of it in the beginning. And then just goes away. Just it's it's weird. I mean, you know, overall, this film's excellent. And I don't totally do a don't want to. To like cast aspersions on this entire amazing work of art from a feminist critique, but that said, I I was frustrated watching this movie because it's it's really par for the course of what the rest of the marvel movies have done were the court characters here that they really focus on the character's. Get a complete arc like set it up conflict like sacrifice something resolution over men, generally speaking, captain America, get hopefully, ironman gets that, you know, the women there's really not a woman that has her own arc. You can save a little bit for nebula. But not really I think I think that'd be la- did. But you're right. Like, the same thing are the are totally. And there's a great headline from av club. That says adventures and game doesn't earn. It's big girl power moment. And in the end of the phone like the final battle scene when? They're going up against that does all the female characters rise up, and it is an awesome thing. Right. Like in the theater, I was cheering like I was so excited and the audience for what it's worth in Sweden was like over the moon. They're not wrong. Like, it didn't really kind of earned that. Right. Like, you see these characterists who haven't uttered a single word, and they're all coming together. And and this is a franchise that hasn't really given women there. Do that's changing, right? Like, we got captain marvel where we're hopefully going to have a really good black widow film, and maybe we'll see some other stuff going going down the line and instantly. Like like you saw more stuff with with a Black Panther. But yeah, I mean, you know, I love this film and everybody should go. See it. But you're dead on like it. There is. There's no mistaken back that this is a dome series where the men are much more important and are written with a lot more complexities than the women are. But this is why I felt so good about it Christine because in some ways, it's you know, when iron Mchumo Mugabe year was at the two thousand two thousand nine two thousand nine while doesn't doesn't eight sorry. Two thousand eight two thousand eight yet. The things have changed a lot in movies since two thousand eight and I guess rather than like feeling negatively about the way, I feel is marvelous definitely going in the right direction. Coterie man and wasp was a big step up on the subject. Black Panther big step up, captain marvel big step up in a kind of loved it. It's like, okay, we're putting the pin on this kind of traditional idea about who. Geek cultures made from you know. We let all these characters they had their moment and moving forward, you know, like Black Panther made a lot of money to marvel made a lot of money, and I kind of loved it for the next really big set of moral films. Like, maybe we can get it can me we can do better from here. So I love this like a it's putting an end cap on it yet. No, I totally agree. And I I also I would be remiss if I didn't say like I did like Thor kind of handing things over to Valkyrie at. But also, I love Thor so much in this movie. I think that he was like kind of the MVP like he was funny and he was vulnerable. And and Chris Hemsworth was became like, I've always thought he was super hot. And he was great. And at an honestly like I really want him to be in guardians at the three. And I really want him to just be like at odds with with Chris Pratt. Because. AM kinda matter. Chris pratt. Even though I've been Chris Pratt stand since ever would be like I that that whole interaction was really good. But I wanna see that like I actually thought about it's like, oh, that's a really good kind of turn of things going on that. He's like I'm just going to be a space guy. Now like, I I loved that. And I I actually thought that his scene with Rene Russo thought that was a really to seeing really good emotional scene. I'm curious how much Natalie Portman got paid for old footage of her being used in the film? She had to get paid something because she owns like her own rights to that stuff. But that was spirited the fill. It wasn't. It was old. Yeah. And it was old footage. Right. But that again, I think is why loved this movie so much is that literally everybody even if like they've left the series everybody. But a Terrence Howard was in this, right? Like everybody who who didn't leave who was recast was in this movie. And so. It felt like a really good ending. And and I I did appreciate the very kind of, you know, long kind of like salute sue Robert Downey junior at the end, I don't cry marvel movies. But I almost did when Jon Favreau was having this cameo and was talking to the little girl who played his daughter law. So that little girl. Good actress and actually really good young actress like she's gonna get cast and everything she's really good. But guy green my I balled eyeballed at the captain America ending. And wait, you think about the sendoff for both the iron man and captain America. I thought they're both very thought they were both really good. I thought captain America. I think that's one like you said like if you didn't haven't watched those films that might not resonate as much, but I thought like you really felt because the whole series, right? Like kind of felt his AAC that he's he was from a different time that he's lost all this. And then after seeing everybody disappearing getting. Kind of experience that loss on a different scale like when he has the opportunity to go back. He's like, okay, I'm going to age. I'm going to spend my life with the person I love, and I you know, I love that. And I thought that Tony's ending was was completely fitting. You know? I mean, it was really sad because you don't want iron man to no longer be around. But it also seemed like they handled it really, well, I'm not convinced that we'll never see Ardy. Jay again. I think that. I don't think that anybody can understate the role and the impact that he personally has had in building this franchise for Disney, and for for marvel like, you know, Disney bought marvel, you know, barge because of this series, right? And he was somebody who star struggled with addiction. He's always been an incredibly talented actor struggle with addiction for years was in jail had a comeback on alley mcbeal in the in the late nineties, and then had to be fired because he wasn't clean even though like his performance was fantastic. And it kinda messed things up narrative Lee when they had to kick him off, and then came back again and was kind of given this this last kind of chance and as turned into the highest paid actor in Hollywood and with was well deserving reasons. Right. Like, he he deserves every single dollar that he gets like he gets a certain amount of points on the back end. And he's going to probably he's like if he's not already a billionaire. He's like close to it just from all the money. He's earned from from vendors. Films, and you know, the various empty you films and like salute you are DJ, right? Like, I. So it was super sad to see that happen. But I'm also kind of like his contract like Disney will pay him anything if they they want to come back, even if it's just for like a cameo or something, you know, what I mean, I kind of feel the same way about Chris Evans like his contract is over. But I wouldn't be surprised that they wanted him boop here. Like have a small thing is something like they can they can rip out the checkbook and be like, okay. Here you go. You don't have your new longer in seven dome commitment, but will for this one thing or or this other thing we want you to do stuff. Now. He's not going to do any of the Disney, plus TV stuff made a mistake. Right. Like, that's that's that's where like your this pay. Right. Without a doubt like this for the Tom hilson, and the other people who like, you know, don't matter if to be in the actual movies go, oh, and on now at the time Huddleston pants are going to come at me again. Sorry true. Have nothing to lose Taj. Really? But yeah, I know I got it was it was it was a I loved it. I can't wait to go. See again. Actually, I definitely gonna see it again. So rocky fans wanna know what you what you think of this? So tell us without spoilers hit us up on Twitter. Let us know your thoughts. And this episode of rocket is terminated terminated.

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SMNTY Classics: Anna Delvey, This Summer's $cam Queen

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SMNTY Classics: Anna Delvey, This Summer's $cam Queen

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And in her remarks and Delhvi said I'd be lying to you and to everyone else, and to myself, if I said, I was sorry for anything and also I was power hungry. I'm not a good person. Well, yeah, this is real hair game thrown away. Yeah. And think a last summer. Pascoe's bridges. She loves scammers as she loves a good scam Queen. Right. And she was so excited to dog about this. And I was kind of out of the loop and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed learning about it. But that's that's, that's the thing is, why do we like scam Queen at the same time she also that I'm not sorry. And I do it again. She did I I'm not gonna lie. That's just baller. I don't know what else this I'm like yet. Okay. He owns it. He runs with it. She owned do her. She is. She is. So we thought we would rerun this, this classic sewed on Anna Delhvi. We hope you enjoy. Hey, this is Bridget. And this is Anne, and you're listening to stuff. Mom, never told you. Now today. I'm really happy to talk about this topic. This is the topic that kind of came on my radar on social media, specifically Twitter and I was kind of obsessed with it. And then I was so pleased when a few people wrote in asking press to do an episode on it, and that topic is scam clean, and a Delhvi. Yes. Project was very very, very excited to talk about this and I kind of have read a little bit about it. And I'm excited because bridges excited. So I hope that everyone is kind of excited to learn about this yet scammers famous scammers are like my fans fiction. Yeah. Pretty much. You know, you should find fan fiction about famous scammers. That would make me happy. I would die. If happiness is a good way to go though. It is a good way reading about reading in-depth are like fan fiction about scammers. I would die with a smile on my face. So one thing that people if you listened to this show, you probably already know about me, which is that I had a love of things that are kind of problematic. I like we have that series specifically on problematic. Saves that I was excited to do, because I love so many people and things that are problematic. I love Tonya Harding, I love bad movies, and bad TV and one of the things on that list of problematic. Kind of messed up things that I kind of had enough of is scammers. You know, I I've always been fascinated by people who pretend to be something they're not. And, you know, I think one of the reasons why we kind of myself, personally. But as a culture why I think that we're so interested in scammers. It's because you meet so many people that come off, as confident, they come off, like they know exactly what they're doing, and they hear very good at that offense veneer of who they are. And then you find out. Oh, that's all an act actually, there's a scammer like they're scamming me right now. And I think that there's some in that part of me feels like we all sort of feel like we're scamming on some level, and that when you meet somebody who is has bold face perfected that scam. It's almost even though they're doing something awful of at least for me, you almost kind of have to respect it. Yeah. And you are not the only one who feels that way. Bridget clearly because we have found some research into it. But why, why do you think as a culture we were so into this? Well, it's funny over at the New Yorker writer, Jia Tolentino has this great theory that they kind of are fascination. With scammers. Kind of come as in seasons. She calls it griffis. Ethan. She writes Griff tourist season comes regularly, but often comes in America, which is built around mythologies of profit, and reinvention spectacular ascent, the Sadie audacious figures at its center exists on a spectrum from folk hero to disgrace the season begins on the public catches on this series of scammers. Particularly appealing sort, the kind that provoked both shot in Florida and admiration. And I think that really kind of nails, my sort of love hate relationship with scammers. Because on the one hand it's disgraceful. Somebody somebody's scamming somebody else out of money, you know, abusing their trust, all of that is disgraceful. But it's difficult to sort of not respect a certain level of boldness of scams. Like, there's this mean that was kind of popular maybe like a year or two ago. Joann the scammer. It's a alter ego of a comedian where he's pretending to be the scammer. Who was always running scams on people, and coming up with sort of little witticisms about scams. Things like scam today before today scams. You I think it's a couple of things I think it's a fascination with scamming in general. But I also think, when it's a woman, I do think there's a little bit of an anti heroine thing happening where we so often expect women to be, you know, good and trustworthy. And when we think about scammers or criminals, we think about men, but then when a woman is doing the scamming I think she almost there's almost inclination to lift her up as an anti hero. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that for sure. And I think that's something we do. See in our media and entertainment, and another reason that in culturally, we might have this, this kind of love and respective of scammers. Is that scammers thrive in times of cultural unrest? Or unease the writer Bridget mentioned before GM Tolentino in her piece. He uses a quote from Maria. Kona Cova from her. Her book, the confidence game cons thrive in times of transition. And the term confidence man was coined in eighteen forty nine by the New York herald and pieces about a bumbling scammer, who would ask strangers in the street. Have you confidence in me to trust me with your watch until tomorrow? No. Hope not at that point in American history. The goldrush was producing a swarm of swindlers, and California and free banking was enabling wildcat banks and counterfeiters to circulate worthless. Bills scammers love nothing better Conan, Cova notes than quote exporting, the sense of ease. We feel when it appears that the world as we know it is about to change which it does make complete sense. That that's the time when you would want to kind of play on people's insecurities, and unease. Yeah. And we are for sure, in the middle of a moment of cultural, and social and political unease Jia goes on today, one gets the sense that these days that such unease may become constant the entire globe is getting hotter market pressures are accelerating. Technology is advancing at a dizzying rate at some point between the great recession which began in two thousand eight and the terrible election of two thousand sixteen scamming seems to have become the dominant logic of American life, the things that people have historic. Us to build non scammy life in this country. Housing, higher education, had to tear eight or to the point where they are likely to punish you. If you're already wealthy, the bankers, pushing reverse mortgages, never crude, or is at four profit colleges and the many startup founders hoping to take massive investor back losses and till they Aratu Kate the rest of the market understand the world better than we do. That's part of the reason they're so riveting down to the last details. Scammers show us the glitzy bullsh- intrinsic to the stratospheric wealth in America. They show us that the best way to make money in this country. It's the tweet everybody around you like a Mark. Yeah. I mean what do you think about it? It's hard not to be fascinated by that by that kind of social game, treating everybody sort of. Yeah. Mark, and it kind of reminds me of the great Gatsby, and how he sort of tricked his way up into that society. See, but, but even I'm so glad you brought up that story because that story is sort of about the scam inherent to this idea of the American dream, right? Gatsby has reinvented himself in kind of scammy way, bootlegging and lying about his identity and all of that. And like and like on its space, it seems like the American dream that he bootstrapped his way up into into success, but actually, the American dream is bullsh-. And so, of course it's a scam. Exactly. And there are plenty of crude good, scammers of all genders. Billy McFarland of fire festival fame, the British Royal family expert. He was actually just a guy from upstate New York, but we want to focus on female scammers because there is something special about them, like Bridget mentioned earlier. Yeah. I also think part of it is that we love in this country to root for a woman, and then we love when she falls like we love to follow the demise of a woman like, we, we can't get enough of a story of powerful woman gone wrong, or a woman who seemed like she had it all. And then really it turned out, she was. Damning everyone I do think that there's something about the vigor with, which that we enjoy these stories when it happens to a woman. That's, that's just my opinion. I think you seem like you're pretty well versed in the subject, Bridget. Yeah. So I actually would love to do an entire series of scammers, scammers like Elizabeth home. You may know her as blood testing scammer. She had that entire company was supposed to be able to give blood tests. You know, go to a CVS. I'm like prick your finger and it will be able to give you all these tests in real time. But it was actually just a scam like she'd gotten all this money, and it didn't work, and she probably knew it didn't work. And a lot of people are like, oh, she probably be in jail, but she's not in jail. So I really interesting fascinating. Scammer also like black turtlenecks gamer. You've never saw picture of her not wearing a black turtleneck kind of ruin that look for everybody to be honest with you. There is vogue. Scammer Yvonne ban, again, who was accused of siphoning away, fifty three thousand five hundred sixty four dollars while she was grace Coddington assistant, so many good female scammers out there. So if you know of one that you would love for us to talk about whether it's a scammer of today. I historical female gamer, please. Let us know. But today we are talking about the undisputed scam. Queen of summer won miss Anna Delhvi. Yes, I love scam. Queen of summer. Yeah, I actually put out a I mean, this is an unscientific poll, but I put out one of those Twitter polls asking who you thought the scam Queen of summer was, I made them running and LV, Elizabeth homes, Jill Stein, or like write in candidate in adobe. Actually ended up coming in second. The write in candidate one Donald Trump our president came in first as the summer scam Queen. Wow. Well, congrats to no one. That's another interesting point about why I'm so fascinated with scams because we associate scammers with a certain class, I believe, like, when you think of scammers, who think of somebody who is not a wealthy person trying to become or pretend to be wealthy. We have like rich scammers all over the place like Scott remit, former head of the EPA was basically a scammer but people don't label him a scammer because he's male and well-connected and rich and white, but homeboy was trying to use his connections of government to get his wife a Chick-fil-A franchise. That's a scam. That is a scam. He is a scammer. Yeah. He also is trying to buy old mattresses. I can't wrap my head around that one. There's so many like classics scams that if we stripped away the veneer of he's a high level, White House administration official, whatever it would just be any other scammer with, like fair gone new bells. And like not. Goff's Chanel like it is such a budget scam. The only reason we don't talk about it in that way is because of his connections. Look, if you stripped, all of those things away, which he actually resigned. So they have been stripped away, if you didn't have that title, it will be it will be anybody else like scamming their way into free stuff like all, scammers do, because he's not special just because he's Scott Pruitt, yes. Scott Pruitt, you're not special. But today we're not talking about just any scammer, right? Bridget. We're talking about Anna Delhvi one of your favorite scammers. She's a good scammer. There was like a scammer trading cards. She'd be the one that I will be really, really stoked ticket. So let's get into who in Adel, the is for those of you don't know. And why she is the scam Queen of summer after this quick break. At the Home Depot, for studs sheet rock electrical everything to build your house. Now you can make that house, your home by shopping. Thousands of decor, pieces that suit your taste from sofas to area rugs to that photo floral, you've been admiring, the Home Depot has all the pieces, you need to create your dreams space from start to finish the best part, free, and flexible delivery, and no hassle returns on everyday essentials and more find exactly what you're looking for, at Home Depot dot com slash decor. Your perfect home is waiting for you, and it's just a click away. Plus for a limited time, you can save even more on the styles. You love when you use code mom Home Depot at checkout. Now there's more kinds of doing at Home Depot. Valid on select items. Only free delivery on select items forty five dollars. Over more. Visit homedepot dot com for more information. And we're back to Anna Delhvi, first of all, she's my favorite scammer. I've read literally every piece of content on the internet about her rise and fall and putting a lot of comment threads. I don't know who it was her or like her Representative or whatever posted her mailing address in prison on her Instagram and I sent her a snail mail letter asking her to come on the podcast. I will update you if we're able to get a phone interview with Anna Delhvi on this podcast. If someone knows her tell her that we would love to have Iran, so we can hear her story and how she got to where she is a whole put it that way, just prison, which is prison. I think we know how she got where she is. But that's the thing it's like when you read these articles, there was a really, really good pieces in both Vanity Fair and the cut that are super in depth about the calm that she played and sort of how she so successfully preyed on women, a third class aspiration of these women. It really it really is fascinating and masterful. So I this Vanity Fair photo editor to Rachel Williams. She was actually scanned by Delhvi herself and it ended up costing her thousands of dollars. So she wrote this piece about what exactly happened in Vanity Fair. So basically, she meets Anna in a hotel, and Anna says that she's a German heiress who lives out of the hotel, and has these grand plans to open, what basically sounds like the SoHo house of art. So it's going to be, quote, a dynamic visual art center, dedicated to contemporary art, and she talks about how she wants to use family trust money to afford this. She wants to get investors. She sounds like someone who has. Grand ambitions plans? But here's the thing, this kind of plan that if someone if you met somebody and hotel, even if they seem to rich, and they told me they had this idea, the plan would still kind of sound preposterous. But that's one of the tenets of her scam, which is the same way that tinker bell only exists. If you believe in her, like if you don't believe in her, she dies, and I had this way of making people believe these grand plans, and these grand schemes of hers, even though they sounded preposterous. And in a kind of way, the reason that they are kind of believable is because they sound over the top Rachel writes in my line of work. I had offered empowered ambitious. Well off individuals. So though, her undertaking sounded grand scale and promising in theory, my sincerest Suzy esom hardly outweighed measure of skepticism and again. Yeah, you can see how someone media rich girl in a hotel. Who's had this grand idea to make this big lavish club full of art, and rich people. If anybody else told you that you'd be you'd think. Oh, sure. Of course, you're going to do that. Yeah. Right. But because that's sort of part of her scam is having this sort of laws a fair attitude about money and, you know, having these grand plans, that don't seem like they would ever work. That's kind of how rich people are if you want people to believe that you are rich having some big undertaking, that seems really farfetched would actually kind of solidify that kind of, you know. Yeah, for sure. And I think just the way she was. She would just buy really expensive things restaurants. She kind of did have this particular circle people. So if you're thinking, I don't know about her, but then you meet other people, and they seem to be in this circle of orbit. And they seem to have accepted her then you kind of start to accept, well, she must have passed this test if she traffics in this group of people than even if maybe she'll never succeed in this plan that I think is probably unrealistic. She must still have the money. She must still be in this class of people that she is saying, she is in right? And I mean, I've, I've actually had a Hugh mild scammers in orbit and political work because anybody who's doing political work like you, you will encounter some scammers shore. That's another thing that I think scammers really traffic in is having other people to kind of vouch for them, or verify them. And I'm thinking of one scammer that who kind. Like this is something I knew personally. So I don't want to like both their spa. There was an entire article about their scam. But one of the things that was a hallmark of how he scammed was getting other respected political people to vouch for him. And so once you're sort of in, and one person that, you know, is like authentic and like, legit vouches for you. In kind of like you kind of game. Stamp. And it sounds like traffic in wealthy well-connected people. So if you meet somebody who is actually wealthy and well connected. And they're like, oh, and as people, that's kind of like a hand stamp. Yeah, I find that if you the bigger, the lie, the more you might be like, well, no one would tell something as ridiculous as that because it could be easily checked. But if you have to do it with confidence, though, and kind of the way it sounds like her personality was one that kind of made, you believe she was this type of person this specific type of person, and that her accepting you inviting you to things it was kind of flattering, and you sort of wanted to be someone that Anna delve v wanted to have in her circle. Definitely. That's so part of it, when someone I mean two of the people who extensively went on the record about being scammed by Delhvi, both talk about sort of how she seemed but the kind of. A person who didn't really let people in and like, kind of seemed a little bit isolated and that because she chose to want to travel with them and wants to be good friends with them. It was almost sort of flattering, so basically, Rachel ends up going on this lavish trip to a villa in America, and you might be thinking we're call that sounds like a lot of money like a bed. It was expensive trip. Whatever you are thinking it was so much more lavish than that. They travelled a full-time Butler, who Anna was supposed to pay for. So Anna, it's supposed to be picking up the tab on this whole trip. Now here's a racial says that things took a turn. So Anna ends up booking a seven thousand dollar a night private Riyadh. Which is you haven't heard of that I have not either. It's a Moroccan villa with an interior courtyard, three bedrooms, and a pool and Anna ends up forwarding Rachel the confirmation Email, but due to some seemingly minor snafu the plane tickets had been put on Rachel's American Express card. And Anna basically it was like, oh, I'll pay you back. We'll pay you back, racial. I mean part of me thinks is thinking. So what are you doing part of me kind of gets it? She says did this all the time for work. I didn't give it a second thought. So you might be thinking, wow. I would never agree to this. But if you think your friend is rich, you maybe you would like I asked myself all the time, if I met this mysterious rich woman who seemed to be rich other rich, people knew her. She was throwing money around, she was Merrick hash. You know, I can't I don't know if I would do it or not, I can't say that my bullshit, detector will be going, and that I wouldn't do it. What about you? Yeah. I, I feel like reading this article was very enlightening to me because if you just sort of hear the details without the sort of personal all these personal aspects of it, it does sound like, well, why would you ever agree to that? But at this point, they had been friends for a while. And also, she wasn't Rachel wasn't the only person going personal trainer was going as well. Yeah. If if it's your friend, and she says she's going to pay for it. You've seen her put down a lot of money before. It's a trip that you probably are excited to go on, I don't think you'd have any real reason, if you'd seen all these other people for her to suspect, otherwise, I would be uncomfortable when it like it would have to be on my credit card. I think I would be uncomfortable but I, I don't think I would say anything because you do want the friendship to work. I mean I can just see I can see I can totally understand going along with this personally. Another aspect of it is sort of what I was talking about before that, if you were trying to maintain that you were wealthy person, I do. I mean, this is gonna sound like a vast generalization. It does make sense to me that someone who is massively massively wealthy would also be the kind of person who might be a bit careless with what they perceived as small amounts of money. I had a friend who was very, very wealthy, and she didn't work. She said it was able to work here and there in creative fields, and like was clearly being supported by her parents, but she never paid for a cab. She never paid for dinner, she would notoriously sort of walk out on the tab. It'll be like ten dollars twenty dollars. But because she just had a different sense of money than we did. And so for me, someone who is not rich, you know, if somebody picks up a tab for me, I make a mental note. I have to get them back. I have to pay them back. This is thirty dollars whatever. But I got the sense from being around her, that it's kind of hard to explain because she was so rich, a certain kind of laws as fair careless attitude about money just kind of probably confirmed that she was rich and I kind of way, does that make sense? It totally makes sense. I have I had a friend like that as well where there's kind of some resentment we had to talk about it because I always ended up paying for things, and he had way more money. Way more money than I did. And it just didn't seem to even occur to him that it would be sort of a bigger deal for me. And like I'm totally I wasn't saying he needed to pay for everything at all. But like equal let's share here. It just didn't seem to be as big a factor to him. So I'm not I'm not making this up. It does seem like it's a little bit of a thing totally. It does seem that way. Yes. So here's where it all starts to go. South for Anna and Rachel loss. Wrassling Anna's card gets declined. And of course, the racial asks the thing that everyone always asks on your Carter's decline. Oh, did you tell your banks that you're traveling? And she's like, no, I didn't. And so this again, sort of just like, oh, well, she's traveling. It's probably some sort of Bank issue. This is embarrassing to admit, but the times that I've had my credit card or my debit card declined. The cashier always gives you that very gracious. You know, maybe you need to call the Bank is probably a problem with your car. You know, they don't ever want to come out and say you have no money. That's always a very gracious very gracious. So basically, what happened after that is that the hotel kind of gets wind that there's no credit card on file for this. Extremely, extremely lavish villa. They're staying, then I'm sure cost. I mean at this point, if it seven thousand dollars a night at this point, it's probably so expensive. And once the hotel gets wise, basically, racial has to foot the Bill in order for them to leave. And again, that would be so I don't know what I'm doing that situation. If you're being held in a foreign country and you don't really have a lot of money and you, don't you're not able to leave. And listen Vanity Fair photo editor probably does not make that much money. This was probably an intensely terrifying thing for her. Oh, yeah. And in the article, she talks about how a hotel security was like, in their room, all the time, kind of waiting for them. Not letting them go anywhere. The personal trainers went with them. She had already left because she had a stomach issue. So she. Rachel was alone with Anna and Rachel by this point was stressed out as well. And she wanted to go ahead and leave, and they wouldn't let her leave and less somebody paid paid up put a credit card down, and Rachel is the one that had to do it, and I was saying, I can fix this. I can't do it now. She was kind of being she was very stressed about it and not being too clear about how to solve the problem. She, she was sort of, like, I'm not sure why this is happening. I don't understand offering any real solutions. I mean, you would hope that if you're superwealthy friend, you know, was this was happening that they would be like, oh, let me call. My dad, let me do this do that. But it doesn't surprise me. I mean, I'm sure that Rachel was very frustrated. But, again the way that she was acting does not surprise me that it didn't immediately kick in that. Oh, this girl has broke. And she's she scamming all of us. So when they get back to America Rachel's trying to get her money back and it really sounds. She started to kind of on Ravel. She writes, stress consumed by sleep and fuelled my days. My coworker saw me unravel. I came to the office. Looking pale and undone this sounds like this just take over her life this one trip. And this one arrangement with us one person that she happened to randomly meet in a hotel, so that it was trying to take over full life. Yeah. And wasn't it like seventy thousand dollars credit card? That's a lot of money so much money. I mean in the article it's quoted as being more than her three yearly salaries. This is a years worth of work that has gone because of this one person. That's an amount of money. I can't imagine if you thought you a friend was going to put it, and then all of a sudden, it's on you and you weren't anticipating it and you probably don't have it that level of stress must have been unbearable. Yeah. That would that would ruin my life. So, basically, racial gets the police involved and only then is the sort of grandest of, of this whole situation revealed to her. She was accused of. Defying documents from international banks, showing accounts abroad, the total balance of approximately sixty million euro, that's about seventy million American dollars. According to a press release from the New York county district attorney's office announced the indictment in late two thousand sixteen. She took those documents to the city national Bank in an attempt to secure twenty two million dollar loan creation or arts foundation and private club. When city national Bank denied alone. She showed the same documents to fortress investment group and midtown New York fortress agree to consider the loan of and provided one hundred thousand dollars to cover legal and due diligence expenses on January twelve seventeen almost a month before she returned to New York, Anna secured one hundred thousand dollar loan from city, national Bank by convincing, the Bank Representative that her overdraft her account, she allegedly promised a Bank that she would Rier funds shortly to cover the overdraft, which is a familiar thing in her world. She gave the Brown money to fortress. So basically, she was moving around so many different large. Entities of money like millions and millions of dollars and sort of. What's the expression like robbing Peter to pay Paul getting money from getting a loan secured from one Bank? And then using that loan to at another loan for another Bank, like a massive shell game where there was never really any money to begin with it kind of sounds like a pyramid scheme. But with, like people people in money no products at all. Just just one person convincing people, she had money somewhere and she'd get it back to you. Exactly. Exactly. And this quote that Rachel has from her piece kind of, you know, chronicling her nightmare with Anna really nails it, and represented the kind of life, we all wish we can have. It's too good to be true, the reality of Anna's behind the scenes dealings these figures flying from one account to another remains dizzying to this day that she was allegedly orchestrating such an elaborate scheme. Owning -taining a believable surface cool. We in her debit cards to pay for dinners workouts, beauty products and spot treatments. She conjured a glittering fiction list city, whatever. Wanted could be bought where everyone wanted to go was a cab or a plane ride away the task of performance sold itself and till it collapsed under the weight of its own ambition. It's part of why I believed her to continue to believe her who would think to make this up such an elaborate, tail and carry on, with this for so long who was she? How do you know anyone is really? And I think that line really does a great job with encapsulating. What makes someone like Ana? So, so kind of mystifying, you know, she really represented this world where everything is possible. It's not surprising to this all happened on the backdrop of New York City. Because when you live in New York as I did for a few years, it seems like there are two cities. Right. There's the one city where you are toiling, and you're always sweaty. And everything is always a nightmare and even something simple like wanting to get groceries or going to the Bank is a huge ordeal and everything is hard. And this, this when I lived in New York, my, my biggest memories were. By toil. Everything was it was always something like, just to get groceries was the biggest pain in the world. And I always felt like I was battling the city and then you would see these rich monied wealthy well-connected girls who seemingly lived in a different city that we lived, we lived in the same city, but we lived in two different cities in a kind of way, and I think, Anna represented, the possibility that you can live in a world where anything you want, whether it's a massage or a private workout or a trip to Marrakech, or a person is down whatever it is that you want. You can have it like that is so seductive. And of course, who wouldn't want that I think it is this sort of modern day, great Gatsby American dream, where you can move to New York with nothing and reinvent yourself to be this German heiress for everything is possible. Everything is at your fingertips. And I love that aspect of the story that she was his German eras. And that, quote, I think it's really well, written in it does capture a lot of why you, would you would go along with this, why it was believable. I mean to witness someone outwardly. So confident if if the money isn't there, but they're displaying no outward. That there's a problem. It it's it's impressive in a way it really is. I like someone who I have usually what I have money even if I'm always like expecting my credit card to get turned down. Like I always like, here's my credit card with a question Mark by. Sri credit cards gift cards. We were like there might be something on this one. And I'm just like secretly in turmoil that it's going to come back they're gonna be like, well, sorry, ma'am, but this did not go through. Meanwhile, she's gut, and Adele Via's. No money is just like confident again. Like I know she's a bad person for scamming people who didn't have a ton of money. But part of me has to sort of admire that confidence, where when you walk up to a cashier, and you give your credit card to buy something lavish and your credit card is declined instead of being like, oh, I don't have any money which all of us would do somehow making it. It's like let me talk to a manager. It's like the person who has that kind of audacity that person is so not me and I'm fascinated by that person. She really took fake it until you make it to its alternate. It's. Highest point to the most extreme. Yeah. Exactly. So another sort of major player in the whole Anna Delhvi saga is NEF naturally really has emerged as sort of the bulk hero that we all deserve in this story Nath is like me, a black girl from Washington DC shout out to net flix executives who are already turning Anna Delhvi story into a Netflix show if you need someone to play nest, please call me because this was the role I was born to play networked at the hotel where Anna, he was living and really gives a different, a different glimpse into the scam. So, basically Neff says that Anna delve e one of the sort of layers of her scam was that she would treat the people in the hotel, very, very nicely. It's like basically become their friends and bear in mind this hotel, where she was living and not paying the bills, but she was reading of thousands of dollars, but by befriending the staff, it kind of gives you a certain kind of power. To be able to do that. Yeah. They want you to your nice to them. They want to believe that you are a nice person in that the money is there like they want to give you that benefit of a doubt. Exactly, my favorite quote about Anna, from Neff. She says, you know, however, Yano walks out with wine glasses, that was Anna and they let her by the Selvi. So if you don't know what that means basically Riyan it is often photographed pretty much illegally leaving restaurants going onto the street. They full glass of wine for the restaurant where she was just dining. I think it's against the law to, like leave to get a drink at the bar at a restaurant, and then, like, unless they're in New Orleans to destroy out onto the street, but they let her, and that's what she's saying, like any Dehlvi had that kind of vibe where she would do these things, and people would just let her race. And notice the same rich people who act nonchalantly about money vibe, as Rachel that is it seems to be one of the key. She things that sold her scam when you're super-rich, you can be forgetful in this way, which is maybe why no one thought much of the instances in which Anna did things that seemed odd for wealthy person calling a friend to have her put a taxi from the airport on her credit card are asking to sleep on someone's couch are moving into someone's apartment with the tacit agreement to pay rent, and then not doing it. Maybe she had so much money. She had just lost track of it. Yeah. That actually reminds me my rich friend, that I mentioned earlier, I helped her move out of her place. And I put her U-Haul on my credit card because I was picking up. You hold on meet her, and she never paid for it, and he became a big thing. And eventually, when I was like I need my money for that, you hall, she'd just forgotten that it just slipped her mind that that's what I'm saying. This is not it's for someone who is super wealthy. This does not sound strange to me. It may seem strange but it was only like, oh, she's just one of those rich people who doesn't think about money like that. Yeah. From what I read. She kind of had this flighty vibe b. Being sort of forgetful, so I can see just sort of writing it off as a part of her personality, as well, totally it does kind of sound like throwing money around and making it so that people kind of, oh, you feel obligated to not point out the inconsistencies of your scam is part of her armor, Neff writes about how she wants called something out that she found a bit odd about Anna, this rich person who actually legitimately was rich. Anna had told Neth that this person's father, they were about being investment partners. This person I had stock in this hotel. And so, when Neff mentioned this to that to the rich guy, the rich guy was like, don't you think that, if my father had an investment partner staying at a hotel, where he that he owns that person will be staying in a suite like a little deluxe room when asked Anna about this? Do you ever just have someone do you so many favors you kind of want to pay them back in silence? And I mean, come on. That is a great line. That is kind of a movie really. Hollywood, Hollywood couldn't write something better than that. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Another great tidbit about Anna story is just what a bold they scammer. She was one of my favorite points is that the personal trainer that you mentioned earlier when Anna was still stuck in America ish. And she'd been low key scamming this woman and didn't have a way to get back to the United States. So she asked if this woman could put a plane ticket on her credit card, and that Anna would quote pay her back later but we all know that goes and the woman, said, sure, I guess I will Anna asked can you get me first class, which, again, it's such a impressive display that it's hard for me to not sort of love it. I think she, she really tapped into that kind of how people behave when you are used to that type of money that, if you're used to first class anything money is no big deal. And that's just something you sort of expect you would ask for first class. I think she's sort of understood this class of people pretty well. And she played the role very well. Yeah. I think she I think you're right. That she knew the markers of how to make these people who were not money, but who were in her orbit believe the scam like you know, it's like how magicians they have, like a flashy thing. And they know that you're going to your is going to be drawn to it. But that it's actually a Mr. x like these little things that make you believe in the scam. Yeah. Absolutely. So we have a little bit more to talk about, but we're going to pause for one more quick break for word from our sponsor. I can't believe it. That Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look, here comes one point seven percent decrease in finished overhead. I know everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance guy. Go, you don't projected increase in organic two-three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. So nets version of the story, kind of begins to unravel the same way they did for virtual, which is having to pick up a big Bill for a pricey meal. It sounds like they went out to this big meal, the waiter came back to a station and began entering the credit card numbers. So basically, it sounds like Anna gave him a bunch of credit card numbers and had the waiter, put a bunch of them, and see if they would work, and none of them did says, I started to sweat, because I knew the Bill was mine, the amount of the Bill was about three hundred dollars which isn't a lot of money compared to the other bills that Anna was racking up. But it was a lot of money for somebody like Neth who ended up having a cover the Bill into that doing so made her feel sick. But after all the money it spent on her she understood that it was her turn. Yeah. I can I can see that too, like you don't want to argue about money, necessarily with someone who has been at least in your understanding paying for the Bill up to that point. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, that's really when things took a turn and really for what I think, was really the hard part here. Was this idea that this was so intersected with Nef's work because she was staying at the hotel, where network, and so at one point, they realize Anna has no credit card on file, and she basically have been living in this hotel, and the management of the hotel came to NAFTA, help, her sort it out. And they were like kid, did you did you know, this person was staying your credit card like blah, blah, blah, and then a classic scammer move when this was brought up to Anna by Neth Anna compensated by buying bottles of expensive, champagne for the hotel staff thinking, like, oh, if I get them a pricey gift, maybe that'll smooth things over, and it didn't pay, and eventually, they locked her out of her room again. With Scott Pruitt happened to him too. Yes. More similarities more similarities, so, in April and deposited one hundred and sixty thousand dollars with a bad checks into the same account and some those able to withdraw seventy thousand dollars from that account before they were returned, and that's how she managed to pay off her hotel. So, again, really, like moving money around using one scam to pay off another person that she had scammed and again, keep in mind Nevin, Anna, we're really cozy. They were buddy, buddy and network at this hotel. So of course, it got her into all kinds of hot water with her job. I'm sure net rights in the cut that at one point they called her into the office may said no about this. She says she started tying laughing and she says that he thought it was kind of a boss move. So now that I really see eye to eye here, kind of way where even though it's a massive scam. You kinda gotta respect it. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. Just the level of it, the scale and to have so many people sort of pulled into it. There's a part of part of you that sort of has to has to respect. I gotta give credit where credit is due on this one so later and deposited too bad checks into an account. She had signature Bank, netting her eight thousand two hundred dollars. And this is how she ended up being able to take what she called a planned trip to California where she was arrested outside of passages and Malibu and brought back to New York where she faces six counts of grand larceny, and attempted grand larceny. In addition to theft of services, according to the indictment, and the cut got to the real Anna behind the scam, Anna Sorkin, who's born in Russia in nineteen ninety one and moved to Germany in two thousand seven when she was sixteen with her younger, brother and her parents and attended high school in ice filer, a small working class town, sixty kilometers outside of Colonia near the Belgian and Dutch border. She's not actually ARIS, her dad worked as a truck driver and later as an executive at a transport company until it became insolvent in two thousand thirteen whereupon. He opened a heating and cooling business. Specializing in energy efficient devices. So even though there was no truth. The her being this rich, German heiress, I think a lot of Americans myself included probably know so little about Germany, that, if she said, oh, I'm from this small town in Germany. It would even even if you knew that town with not fancy and wealthy. Sounds like a working class town, you might buy into it a little bit like oh, she says she's from this town. In germany. Sounds fancy. Well, it's kind of funny because they think it also plays on the fear that we all have a looking stupid, right or being embarrassed. You want to sound like, oh, sure, I know where that is like you're educated. And you're aware of that world. You don't want to admit that you don't know something. So kind of. Plays on just the human nature of trying to fit in and sound intelligent in front of people. Well, that actually reminds me of another scammer couple that I love a couple that scammed their way into the Obama administration's state dinner. So their last name was Solahi, and somebody wrote that because this was a state dinner, and you had lots of, like, orange diplomats and foreign important people because their name sound a little bit like imp-. It could be the name of an important couple from abroad, that, that was one of the reasons they were able to test scam their way into this dinner so easily because nobody wants to look at the doorman, who is giving this important. Foreign couple a hard time. So maybe it's just better to let them in, even though they aren't important couple. But, you know that, that idea of not wanting to a embarrassed somebody who was important or be being barest. Because you didn't know who this important person was definitely feeds into it. Sure. And like fear of being called out on. Your insurance on something or causing a kind of scene. I can completely understand wanting to avoid that and just going along with a and then finding out it was all big a big lie. So another thing I love about this whole Anna situation is that when the cut interviewed her from prison, she still sort of maintained that these grand ideas opening this, fancy art club for rich people. She's still maintains that they were actual plans that she had they weren't wasn't a scam. She actually believed that she could move enough money around and fun this thing and make all the money back. If it's true, it's always a more believable story at there is a little bit of truth to it. You know if there's like just a peppering of, of true things in there. That's the crux of any good. Scam is a little bit of truth. Yes. Exactly. So this lion cut. I think crystallizes for me, why this is such a fascinating story, right about her grand plans to open this art club. They right. Maybe it could have happened in this city where enormous amounts of invisible money, trade hands, every day or glass, towers are built on paperwork promises. Why not if Abby Rosen, the son of holocaust survivors, could come to New York, and fill skyscrapers full of art? If the credentials could build a billion dollar empire out of literally nothing, if a movie star like the coda Johnson could sculptor ass, so that it could become the anchor of a major franchise. Why couldn't add Elvy during the course of my reporting people kept asking why this girl, she wasn't super hot? They pointed out or. Or pretty charming. She wasn't even very nice. How did she manage to convince an enormous amount of cool successful people that she was something she clearly wasn't watching the Rikers guard, shove bath company into a Manila envelope? I realized with Anna had in common with the people that she'd been studying on the pages of that magazine. She saw something others didn't and looked at the soul of New York and recognize that if you distract people with shiny objects with large wads of cash with the Indika of wealth. If you show them the money they will be virtually an able to see anything else. And the thing was it was so easy. I love that quote so much. Because I think it's true. I mean, Anna Delhvi scammed her friends, a lot of whom didn't really have that much money to begin with and side. No. We actually don't even know the deaths of scams. But when you look at, like it does kind of make you think is in America kind of one big scam. And in a kind of way that is one of the reasons why we're so fascinated by her story and stories like hers, because we see people sort of scam their way into success all the time and kind of way it just seems like what this country is built on. I love that quote to, and it's sort of reminds me of every time I go to Las Vegas. I have a weird. This just a weird feeling in being there that I can't look away from this. This is like. Humanity at its bassist like pleasure entertainment seeking. I it's really hard to describe, but I think that Anna was able to tap into, if you do have a large amounts of cash, or shiny things to distract people that we are so hung up on this, and it's sort of, like reveals the superficial aspect of humanity. That is both fascinating and kind of upsetting. It's a really interesting dichotomy. Definitely. I'm sure folks are so tired of hearing me make this connection. But I do think there is a little bit of a social media aspect to this, because NFL Instagram is still up, and she has the artifice of someone living, the lifestyle of a of a mysterious wealthy traveling rich girl. She has that down. So well. And I think it's what you're saying. It's like if you can have the trappings of wealth. Sort of, shiny artifice of wealth that really it can be so distracting that even though you know, it's not real. You kind of let yourself believe it. And I think that's what Anna traffic in, even though we know like there is no free lunch. I if someone befriends, you and says they're going to with you way to Morocco for free as probably not true. But it feels so good to believe that you could live life like that. I just this really just reminds me of my time living in New York. When I would just look at these these, these young women who were the same age, I was. And I would want their life so badly. I'll never forget this time I had to go to kinko's to fill because I was filling out this paperwork, and it was really intense like involved, having to get things copied and triplicate and all of this. I had to go to kinko's kinko's was a little bit far away from my apartment and the subway wasn't working. And so the only subway that I could take to get there was was not working. So I had to walk. And so I walked it was like a few miles, and the hot hot sun. When I got to kinkos it was close, and I was like, overcome with this feeling of dread and sort of turmoil. And I turned around to go back to walk back home, because there was no other way to get home. I couldn't afford a cab a train was down. What was it? When I turned around I turned around to pick we and I, I ran smack dab into a roadside and broke my glasses. Oh, and so, so I sat down on the stupid Williamsburg and somebody opened the window of the stoop by the sitting, and it was like can you leave? Can you math it on my stoop? Right in that moment, this black car full of beautiful thin, young girls. Probably my fame age guy out of this car. They were impeccably dressed. They were like hipster. Chic, they were laughing. We're the Pitta me of Brooklyn and carefree. And I remember thinking we live in two different cities at that moment felt so I've never felt Dir. Dirty or sweatier or grocer or more sort of down on my luck. I want to be clear, there are people who are living much, much harder lives than I was living in Brooklyn. But in that moment, I felt very down and seeing this, these glittering girls who just seem to float on air, getting out of a towncar, a private towncar. I remember wanting that so badly so badly wanting to know what that life would be like to just wherever you wanted to go. There's a towncar away, you know what I'm sure these girls have problems I was definitely projecting my own stuff on them. But I see that an Anna where, you know, Vanity Fair photo editor who makes sixty grand a year in one of the most expensive cities in the world probably sees someone like Ana and what they offer as so intoxicated. And I do that you that you could be within grasp of it. I don't blame anybody for getting caught up in her in her whirlwind. No, I don't either. It's like a tale of two cities for these are modern times. It is though, I know I know what are thinking. Like why did you do a whole episode on this? But it is it really demonstrates a lot of class aspiration and sort of the perversion of class aspiration. I think yeah. I think you're completely. Correct. So that's been our, our first and we'll probably a mini series on scammers. Oh, you know, I could talk scammers all day. There was one time I was watching this documentary on Netflix and somebody came over to my house. And I was like, oh, I've been trying to watch this documentary on, on wine, a Netflix for so long, and he was like documentary about wine on Netflix, because that does not sound like something that you'd be into, and I was like, oh, actually it's about this wine scammer, who ended up scamming all these fancy wine types, buying counterfeit wine. And he said, oh, that sounds that sounds right. I speaking, you would not be watching just a straight by the books documentary about wine somebody would have to be getting scammed, but be interested. Well, if you listeners, have any suggestions for, for scammers that we should talk about, please send them to us. And if you're a scammer, if you're currently scamming, give us a call. What's tough? Let's talk about your scams. Bridgette bridgette would love love more more than anything over MU. Yeah. And in the meantime, let's talk about some listener mail. Okay. Jacqueline wrote sports fandom slash. This is about our fan fiction episode. It exist are PF is not solely limited to one direction. I'm myself these days tend to read and write football RPF, I think our demographics, Lance a little bit older than average. Most folks, I know in it are in the mid twenties to mid thirties. I also know people who write a lot of hockey or PF, but I don't follow hockey enough to really know more than some of the main players and ships in both cases though. I think, in addition to exploring everything you mentioned about deeper relationships between folks, we already see in canon, there's something kind of interesting about exploring masculinity issues of homophobia, and very public life. Particularly an exclusively male spaces. Maybe I like pertain to be a fly on the wall. I don't know. But that's definitely part of it. There's also a contingent who writes, Tim slash usually about the American women's national team women's football outside of. US W, N T tends to be pretty small fandom generally, so if you're like me and follow Brazil, w and t r. Chelsea ladies. You're just SOL, it's interesting because my academic research has put me in contact with several professional footballers, some of whom appear periodically in Fiqh, the ones, I know aren't that famous, but it's happened and they definitely know some of the guys who regularly star logically be kind of weird. There's a really firm separation and compartmentalization in the phantom between ships spic and real life characterization in Fiqh is mostly drawn from interviews and social media personalities but I don't think anyone thinks. Oh boy. I don't know much about sports these two sports. Or secretly love or whatever present them with slash fan works in person, which I suppose, does make it a bit different from some live action phantoms, like supernatural or vendors. Maybe you go, there was actually a panic when an editor from deadspin wanted to do an article on football RPF centered around New York City, f c players this led to me and some other folks, I know changing the privacy settings on some postings on AOL three happily article was dropped while, I don't think many of our shamed of our writing hobby per se source. Fandom can get super toxic and our little corner eo three and tumbler tends to be pretty much troll free. The concern was that added attention from say or slush locker would lead to writers being harassed. I don't know if that concern was really logical. But hey, like the rest of fan fiction football RPF is very much produced and consumed by women and non binary, folks. The few cisgenders men, I know who exist around it. And I don't even think these two right are gay and. This was in the wake of gamer gate. So I think everyone on the was still on high alert, naturally most of us have been put through the fake geek, girl test. At least once we all have individual horror stories, but usually they go something along the lines of some dude. Etta pup, thinking we're only there for boyfriend or if we are there alone, it's only because the players are cute. Ironically, the folks that produce thick in this phantom of the biggest tactics in history nerds. I know if some dude really wants to quiz them on, who was in the typical Manchester United starting eleven in one thousand nine hundred six I think, for it jokes on you random public drag my male. Friends two matches for my clubs and I can Ogle in hazards bubble. But while still knowing when he's awesome. And that dries Mertens is the superior Bilgin striker. I totally butchered that name apologies at any rate, female football fans are often victims of 'gate-keeping not unlike female fans and more traditionally geek spaces, but I wouldn't try with the FanFest writers, they know there's anyway, this has gotten long if. You made it through many things for your patience. I really enjoy the women in queer folks side of football fandom. And I always love sharing it with interested parties. It's been incredibly supportive and a wonderful way to meet folks from all over the world while then it's fascinating. Yeah, I just I thought that was really interesting because I can only imagine kind of the intersection of fan fiction and sports fandom can get pretty toxic and I'm happy to hear that there are these pockets on the internet. The have gotten away from the it sounds fascinating to me. Yeah, of course, people out there writing fan fiction about athletes, this never occurred to me. But as soon as we read the Email, I thought, oh, of course, people are doing that. Of course. They are. I love it. Yeah, I do too, and please keep sending in everyone who sent in their fan fiction. Thank you. Please keep them coming. Please do. Next letter. Nicole wrote, I was so excited to listen to this two parter and fan fiction. I've got a little fan fiction as a teen. I am now. May mid twenties recently begun to write some fantastic. And because I find it fun, a relaxing creative outlet and good practice for writing my own original fiction as well. You touched a little on how women can explore their sexuality through fan fiction and I wanted to share my own experiences. I have not been any fan fiction of sexual content identify as bisexual and recently married to a great guy, I have been with most of my adult life. I have found that the more quote smutty fan fiction is the way to express the knowledge the aspects of my sexuality that all outside of my hetero, monogamous relationship through the safe independent medium of reading, fantastic. I also learned about many different kinks that I have discovered new ones. I've brought into conversation with my husband and we both agree. It is supported us, and being more open and more sex positive than we were raised to be recently thirteen year old female friend of the family was caught reading from sexually explicit thick on her. What had account and I thought the reaction of her parents was a little shaming, including banning or from account and sharing their confronts with others. All there are certainly some smutty out there that it's questionable such as. Incest, fix much or sexuality and a healthy way and often in a way that it knowledge is emotional aspects of sex as well. I think in this way, explicit fantastic might just be one more positive way to explore sexuality than most porn, which is certainly something that many, parents would struggle. They caught a son rather than a daughter looking at PS your comment at the end of part to you about making lemonade out of lemons might have been funnier than, you know, lemon is a term for smutty scenes and fan Fiqh who knew Nicole thank. I'd love to say that we knew that, and that we were making a really clever joke, but I didn't know that aunty did you? I did. But I didn't catch it when you when you made that comment I did not together. But that is really funny. I had a friend when we were probably thirteen her parents caught her reading some dirty fan fiction, and I mean dirty for thirteen year olds perhaps. And they banned her from her count, and I shared my printed fan fiction with her. I was a little little instigator trying to keep her with the hookup. I love it. I love it. You were like underground fan fiction network. Yeah, I kind of was. So I love all these, these letters about people who have found community and fan fiction. I I'm really happy that, that exist exists for us on the internet. And it does sound like it can be a healthy sexual outlet. Oh for sure for sure. And even I just think that since I do feel we publicly don't really allow young women to express extra -ality or talk about it. I think that it is a way to explore things and figure out things about yourself. Safely. And there are definitely problematic things and picture that I'm not saying there aren't. But I think in general, it is a positive thing that it is it is out there, and it is a way to, to talk about to explore these things about yourself. Definitely, honestly, it seems like the fan fiction episodes really struck a chord with folks, I'm happy that folks are still writing in and like any said, please keep setting us, those fan fictions. Yes. We're still we were not joking about the fan fiction with high production value. Well, higher production value. We'll see what we can do little like many series. So keep keep sending them in. We are working on that you can Email us at a mom stuff at how stuff works dot com and you can also find us on social media. Can't you Bridget? Absolutely. Can we are on Twitter mom stuff podcast, and we were on Instagram at stuff? Mom, never told you and thanks as always to Dylan Fagin and Kathleen Quilliam for helping us make this show happen. Thanks as always. And thanks to you listeners. Please. Keep those letters coming. He's been t- listeners Bridget here. I have a huge favourite ask of you. We wanna get your opinion about stuff mom, never told you and the way they could do it is with your feedback. Just go to stuff mom, never told you dot com and click on the listener survey at the top of the page, this survey should take no more than five minutes of your very valuable time. I really really appreciate it.

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Full Episode: Tuesday, July 23, 2019

"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash nightline good evening. Thank you for joining us as T._v.. Shows and movies pushed the boundaries of sex on screen. A new movement has begun offscreen in part because of the metoo movement to make sure the actress bearing all feel protected. Here's nightline co anchor Juju Chang what thank her that I wanted to right here right now. Almost nothing is off limits. H._B._O.'s latest boundary pushing show euphoria feel in the gritty teen drama stars and data and a web of young actors portraying drug use and hard for sex among high-school maps in one graphic scene turning what appears to be a brutal rape great budget like the head of what I like that into an intimate moment between two sexually confused teenagers don't do it can't posture ask my first euphoria seems to revel in it's dark sexually explicit portrait uh of the American teenager as dramas become edgier. There's a need for a new kind of safety net one that allows actors to feel safe onset and legally define how much skin they show and how much sex they engage in on screen. It's amazing how much better the product is when the actors no. They're going to work and are not going to be sexually assaulted that day. They're called intimacy coordinators. Someone whose job it is to oversee and even choreographed graf sex scenes pre-planning every embrace every touch and how has being an intimacy coordinator like being a stunt coordinator we are not actually having sex onset but we are telling the story of that there are ways to cheat that there there are ways to also do it safely with <hes> hygiene sexual health all of that in mind Alicia Rodas helped create intimacy directors international a former actor herself. Her group literally wrote the handbook for Intimacy U._C.. L. onstage and onscreen there's physical health and there's emotional health of the actors. How do you look out for both with emotional health to make sure that someone isn't being traumatized to make sure that someone isn't being harassed? We I met up in Manhattan where her services are now. In high demand working multiple projects including season three of the deuce centered on the porn industry in the seventies. There are the first T._v.. Show to pull me in and say. We know we need something. We think this is what we need so I think we're all going to figure out how this works together after positive feedback from the DEUCE H._B._O.. Now requires an intimacy coordinator on all of it's scripted shows it is good for business business on one hand it. It is covering your ass on the other hand. They realize that they're like this is not for us. This is for the industry. They're all kicking themselves as to. I can't believe we didn't think of this before and my sense is that what made them think of it. Now is a Hashtag movement known as me two times up absolutely. I don't think anyone had any idea how big of an issue it really was last year. Actress rose McGowan Cowan told me about intimate moments she filmed while building her career a string of nude scenes including in going all the way a thou- wrong. I felt the scene felt like what it really felt like which felt like exposed. It didn't creepy and not right. You said you cried afterwards. Yes why I have zero problem with nudity but it wasn't my choice in tool. Get there and I had to do these things. It's an issue that's long plagued Hollywood balancing the art of simulating sex with the toll it takes on actors. I did build this incredible bikini out of these pasties. Sometimes it's awkward as Sandra Bullock described her sex scene in time to kill. I'm not one of those people who's a good exhibitions at other times. It can be overwhelming as Jennifer Lawrence explained here in a round table for the Hollywood reporter. I had my first real sex scene. It was just very vulnerable. You never you don't know what's too much and you don't you don't WanNa do it real when everything would be real but then you're like but often it can be traumatic in an op Ed actress Salma Hayek accused Harvey Weinstein of forcing her to do a lesbian sex scene the demanded full frontal nudity she wrote my body wouldn't stop crying and convulsing vaulting adding I had to take a tranquilliser to get through the scene. Weinstein responded in a statement saying all the sexual allegations as portrayed by Salma are not accurate. Kim Masters has been reporting on harassment allegations in Hollywood since the ninety s the we've seen what was a very pervasive culture of abuse and we still hear reports of abuse. It's been a matter of concern for a long time but I find that the culture of Hollywood is frustratingly slow to change on the set of the provocative show euphoria twenty six-year-old Amanda Blumenthal has joined the growing ranks of intimacy coordinators. These sets now so guarded we weren't even allowed to bring our cameras. Why would it matter to an actor to be not exposed or not exposed when potentially millions of people are brought to see them naked it can be you know really scary to get out there and to take your clothes off in front of people and it just feels very vulnerable to be in that position so these these are our modesty garments right here for Blumenthal a day at the office includes this treasure trove of modesty garments designed to help actors feel less exposed for men? We also have what's called a Hebrew and this is a stick. Gone strapless Pani okay so this one has adhesive part of my prep with actors. I tell them how to put the new garments on <hes> so with man I told them all the contents go in the pouch. Why is it important to have choreography? Having choreography geography is really important so that actors can consent to where they're going to be touched before we do the scene so when I work with actors I make sure to talk with them about whether or not they're okay with things like having their hair pulled happen and then if they are and especially if it's part of the choreography we practice it in rehearsal. She says part of her job is to protect actors from being coerced into doing more than they agreed to one of her tools legal agreements agreements known as nudity riders. Give me an example of the types of body parts that pop up in a nudity writer it can get a specific as like we can only see like the upper right quadrant of someone's but we can only see the left nipple how can director end up being coercive or bullying actor or actress into doing a sexy or nude scene that they may not be comfortable with they can threaten them with safe. It's a T._v.. Series saying Oh we're going to write let you off the show if you won't do more nudity or sex for us but it doesn't even have to be a direct threat. It could be an implicit threat now. Oh absolutely Rhodus believes intimacy coordinators are already making a difference pointing to violent. I've seen in season two of the deuce between Actors Emily Meade and Gary Car so in this scene basically he assaults her sexually assaults her. It's between a pimp and the prostitute and it was a very emotional scene. It was cold it was painful and someone said you know that's your last seen with Gary and they both started to cry and like hugged each other and I thought how awesome is that that we just filmed this really gruesome <hes> nonconsensual sex scene and they're not in some traumatized you know place from doing this scene this new age of consent now extending beyond Hollywood to Broadway and college theaters. Let's make us up and then I'll explain these contraptions as soon as we're all settled here. I'm running a workshop today. At Sarah Lawrence. It's a consent and communication walk so how to approach and have the communication vacation of working on scenes of intimacy a new crop of creatives hoping to disrupt the power structure in Hollywood dasher in a new generation of accountability what we absolutely need though to seek diversity Eddie and proper conduct in the workplace is more women more people of Color in the executive suites. That's the only thing that's going to change anything for nightline. Juju Chang in Los Angeles up next the price. One woman paid paid for befriending a fake heiress technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options. 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She just was very impulsive and free spirited and charming. I really liked turn and adobe made an impression on everyone she met were you sort of seduced by her in her behavior in some ways I'd say yes I was captivated by I was sort of fascinated by her. Willingness to just challenge boundaries boundaries claiming to be German heiress with a sixty seven million dollar trust fund. She talked her way into exclusive New York parties and nightclubs which is how she met Rachel Williams in two thousand sixteen then a twenty eight year old photo editor or at Vanity Fair magazine in my late twenty s was a period of major transition for me and my friends a lot of them were getting married or having babies are leaving the city and I was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend. The pair soon became inseparable living the glamorous life of two young women in Manhattan. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms in sort of do what she wanted to some degree probably because he's <hes> young white female also a lot of it had to do with her specific term she seemed good-willed twenty five year old Anna Treated Rachel two drinks and dinners at exclusive restaurants and even three hundred dollar cholera pop private fitness sessions electoral and so we have a lot of fun together but would Rachel didn't know is that her friend was living a lie and Adele was actually Anna Sorkin? The Russian born daughter of middleclass ask parents a hotel hopping social drifter now behind bars for a series of wide ranging scams. She wont across New York City. How do you feel about Anna's Oregon today? I wish sociopath Rachel's now speaking on. Camera for the first time about how she says her former friend betrayed her tail. She recounted her new book. My friend Anna the true story of a fake eras. I don't actually feel a lot of anger mostly. I just feel ah I would like to never cross paths with again. In the beginning. Rachel had no reason to down her big-spending new friend came from wealth given her jet setting lifestyle and big ambitions. She wanted to lease this giant building a house. <hes> an art collection Jenna Gallery Space Members Only Lounge Shave referred to this family trust she had which I didn't pry about but it sort of informed my understanding of her figured she had money. Yes she came for money and that came out over time in the spring of two thousand Seventeen Rachel L. tells us Anna offered an all expenses paid trip to Marrakech in a lavish seventy five hundred dollar a night villa shockingly opulent. Your eyes must have been popping in New York. We did things that Rocco GEICO. That's when it was kind of like Oh like I thought I stayed your world but actually this is ridiculous. It was <hes> I mean it was amazing until it wasn't that's because Rachel says suddenly Anna's credit cards mysteriously weren't working when it was time to set up with the hotel the managers began to pull an aside and sort of slowly escalating that there is some tension between Anna and the hotel after a few days of Hounding Anna the hotel had had enough Menendez stood in our villa and they're waiting for her to fix it and they want payment. Yes they want credit card that works right there right now like they're done waiting. Rachel tells us she's fearful of being stranded in a foreign country so she offers her recorded cards as a temporary backup even though she can't afford it I knew early on Friday morning when I land. I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parents how much sixty two thousand dollars sixty two thousand thousand dollars. How did you even wrap your mind around that? It was such a complex paralyzing moment for me. She owed me more money than I made any year back in New York. Anna doesn't send Rachel the money instead making aching. Excuse after excuse texting I will get it sorted so you have this week Rachel replying. I'm in serious trouble Anna. What friend leaves another person in this situation for this long what is going on for you internally? I am <hes> with my rent and late with my credit card payments. I'm like in a lot of trouble Rachel's convinced that she's been duped and goes to authorities in the summer of two thousand seventeen police arrest Anna Sorkin in Malibu California if she did this to me and I was her friend she would do it to anybody and I just wanted to protect other people. Anna is charged with Grand Larceny attempted Grand Larceny and theft of services during the trial prosecutors is arguing. She stole more than a quarter of a million dollars from banks hotels and a private jet operator to fund a lavish lifestyle and his attorney insisting Rachel is not a victim. I don't believe a criminal act occurred. occurred she made a voluntary choice to put this debt on her credit card. She didn't have to Rachel testified facing her former friend in court. I wasn't sure what to expect and I did look at her. She was smirking at me. Did it unnerves you know shockingly I thought it would but I think understanding her for who she was. It caused her to lose her power and she became no longer scary to me. In May twenty eight-year-old Anna Sorkin was convicted of eight H. charges against her including Grand Larceny but found not guilty of defrauding Rachel. Some of the jurors didn't feel sympathetic for your situation with Anna. How did that feel for you? That was that was devastating thing to have shared so publicly something that was so deeply personal and painful for me was extremely hard and then to have that come out as the takeaway was extremely upsetting. Anna was sentenced to four Oh to twelve years in prison and ordered to pay nearly two hundred thousand dollars in restitution as for that huge credit card bill. Did you have to pay that money. Ultimately think thank goodness American Express did CORETEC me be hotel charge which was the bulk of the expenses the story of the so-called so Ho- scammer has caught Hollywood's. I N sold rights to her story to Netflixing Shonda rhimes but legally can't profit from it instead the money will go to payback those she scammed H._B._O.. Purchased the rights to William Story and currently working on an adaptation to be held by Lena Dunham. Now some people would say you're benefiting from this ordeal that you've suffered through that you got a movie deal with this is now your opportunity to cash in. There's a lot of Heidrick to to turn what was actually extremely hard and upsetting and world rocking it was it was a lot of hard work to turn that into a positive when you look back on it. Should you have known better I think I I wanted to see the good in her and I think it's important to see reality and to understand what's right and trust you. Trust your head for nightline. I'm Deborah Roberts in New York and finally tonight there may be no stronger bond on earth and a mother and child no matter the distance or age. Here's exhibit a that's twenty four year old U._S.. National Guard Sergeant Christopher Williams arriving in Savannah Georgia and surprising his mom when the sightseeing being trolley she drops parents and loved ones of all service members can relate prayers answered her babies home chicken skin moment every Mama's boy around the world. Thank you Sergeant Williams <music> and welcome home. That's nightline. You can always catch her full episodes on Hulu. Thanks for the company America good night. Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling.

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Kate and Camillas very personal crusades

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Kate and Camillas very personal crusades

"Hello everyone and welcome back to the airport. Your one stop shop but everything. When it comes to the royal family we are going to go through all the stories this week. It's been quite a lot going on including a lot of headlines about the Duchess of Sussex despite the fact that we haven't actually seen them physically for some time. But when you are the world's biggest couple you are still going to meet news regardless but it has been busy for every single member of the family and we're going to be catching up with each of them. One by one is being. First Time we've seen the Cambridge's alongside the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. This week they were side by side engagement in love in the UK at Defence Medical Rehab Center and it was really the first time we William and Charles Father and son on an engagement with there are the haves and Nice actually get a bit of an insight into their relationship. They were extremely close. We saw them playing around on one of the elements of the engagement. We saw William in testing wheelchair basketball and childhood of pushing him. To the other side of the courts it was a sight to behold. I will say that but we also a lot from the Duchess of Cambridge. This week. Her voice gets louder and louder as she gains confidence. She continued her whistle. Stop tour of the UK heading over to Northern Ireland and Scotland. All in support of her early childhood survey which has now come to completion. Over two hundred thousand people took part in the survey making it one of the biggest. I think that the UK has seen when it comes to surveys. In this particular area of expertise we saw her traveled to Aberdeen in Scotland to a social cafe. I visited by the Duchess of Sussex. Another location called the social bites and we had kate speak to staff and customers about's the long lasting impact of childhood experiences. And really why this five big questions on the undefined is which is the official title. Why the survey means so much to her. It of course sparked UK wide conversation on raising the next generation of children. And it seen cates really stepparents into. I'd say a more confident role. We've seen her quietly over the recent months. Pick up a little bit of steam. I think shouldn't be criticized for saying this but there have been times where it felt like she wasn't doing a lot and we're now at a point where. I think she's really realizing me. Impact that she can have when using her platform wisely and this work with the alias which has a lifelong project for her. She plans to continue with this. At least for the next decade focusing on the impacts of chartered experiences and parents perspective child's perspective and cares perspective. So it's really something important for our actually. Have some news on this later on in the show so stick around for that. We're actually going to hear some really candid remarks. Cates about all of the work that she has been doing an her own experiences. When it comes to motherhood I was at Kensington Palace briefing this week so I will share much more from that later in the show but until then talk about the Sussex is because they were out and about leaving Canada for the first time since they really sort of settled down there post Leaving the lives of senior members of the Royal Family paying a visit to Stanford University in San Francisco on Tuesday this week where they attended. A brainstorming session lasted several hours with professors and academics. At the prestigious university policies confirmed. This is all part of research. They're doing for their Sussex rule foundation because of course this is the big project that they're focused on right now really trying to establish this new charitable organization and some of the initiatives that will play key roles within that so they traveled not just them. I will add. They also brought a couple of members of new staff with WHO will be involved in this New Foundation of course. They're very much based in North America. Now we had this week that they have wrapped up the roles of all their Working Staff here at Buckingham Palace. That means that really. They'll have no office representing them in the Royal Family so in the future if there is a key engagement for the family such as trooping the colour. Which is the queen's birthday parade anyone involved in that Fourth of Sussex's will be on loan from another team and that's how it works for less senior members of the royal family but yes this visit to Stanford University saw them greeted by the university's Presidents Marc Tessier Levin hip personally escorted them around the campus and really spoke to them or listen to them about some of the things that they wanted to achieve with Sussex Foundation. I think we've seen them really making some smart decisions and careful moves when it comes to setting up this charity. This all started with J. P. Morgan Summit that they attended in Miami almost now two weeks ago and for them they're really establishing themselves in different areas all the philanthropic landscape of course sold them and Miami. Speaking in of hundreds of investors old and new there were people from the world of social media celebrity sports music and it was a real great way to start things off. I will correct one thing whilst we're on the subject that we're lots of reports suggesting that the couple had cashed in a good million dollars from this appearance sources. Tell me that they were paid absolutely nothing and this was really about going that to establish themselves on a new stage in front of a new audience. This is the first time really out is non-working royals of course. They are still members of their family. And so that continued this week with a visit to Stanford University where they're now really sort of integrating themselves in the academic space and we'll see this continue over the weeks ahead the couple of really doing research before setting up there. I would call legacy project. Do want it to be their legacy to beat the thing that really puts their Sussex name firmly on the map. If it wasn't already as it is of cross the world they really WanNa make big changes. And I'm very excited to hear what will happen with that Some other achievements for them this week. The INVICTUS Games was honored with a couple of awards in Australia for its coverage during the Sydney Games which I was therefore has walls. Abc News in two thousand eighteen when the couple that tour of Australia New Zealand. So congratulations to have on there and Megan's forces for change issue of vogue that she gets Edison in the UK in September. Last year has gone on to become the fastest selling copy of the magazine in. It's one hundred and four year history selling out. Some just ten days went also went on to become the biggest selling issue of the magazine in the past decade selling summer on the newsstands in the realm of three hundred also thousand copies rich for the UK is very large number. The Duchess of Sussex released a previously unseen film celebrating this achievement on the Sussex Oil instagram account detailing some of the makings of the September issue. And it was actually filmed at British vogue editor in chiefs Edward and infidels home in London and gave us a bit of an insight into their rather playful relationship. Dan I got this Text on my phone wanted to see if he would help me with art. Works right and so there were having tea was excited to meet from January to now how much we've been working on this and to me to just say yes. He would help me on. Smart Works Amazing. Just push with just a little bit more and see willing to let me guest edit. Yes fleet never done it before the history of vogue editor. I never said anything you assume. Thorough to take being fashioned stuff to you professionals can you do Commonwealth that sustainability? Can we make sure the point of view is really in the right and then I'll leave it? To the experts. Want to focus on women who are changing the world women who are doing incredible things really in line British vote. Yes and then having the mirror anyone no matter who they are picking up this issue should be able to see themselves in it. And that's what I feel really proud that we've accomplished to that was Mr Annan full. And the Duchess of Sussex reflecting on the Forces for change cover. This was actually recorded back in August last year. And I think there was some confusion when it was posted on the Sussex World Account that they had just filmed this especially to mark this achievement. Sources say that it was actually within the palace a video that wasn't initially going to see the light of day. I think some people didn't agree that it should be ed for whatever reason but now that the Duchess of Sussex are in control of things themselves. I think they felt like we should post it and I'm glad they did. I think it's great to see this. Sort of more candid lights side of them. Of course we get very little insight into how they work and how they all behind the scenes. It's always great see. This week was also an incredibly important wink. For Camilla. The Duchess of Cornwall. Who SPEAK TO THE? Daily Mail about how some of her own friends of suffered from domestic violence and hearing the victim stories on friend side but also through a charity that she's works closely with safe lives really her to want to do more when it came to campaigning on behalf of abused women in the UK. We saw her host a reception. Clarence House which is her London. Home to mark the fifteen. Th Anniversary of safe lies charity here in the UK which fights against a rising epidemic of domestic abuse. The engagement brought together a number of women and survivors. That the Duchess's mets on previous engagements and also was to celebrate the fifteenth anniversary of the charity itself and launched their Valentine's campaign which is really celebrating. The courageous journey that many male and female survivors have been through joining me. Now is a of safe live. Suzanne Jacob who is with the Duchess of Cornwall at Clarence House this week for a very important engagement for the charity. Thanks for joining me Suzanne. Thanks it's been quite a busy week for you guys a big stage for you guys this week as well because it has been wall to wall coverage on this engagement that the Duchess of Cornwall tied with safe lives this week. A very important cause for her. Yeah we're really incredibly appreciative of her. Willingness to engage with us. Not just this week but as you know dating back now. Four years over four years her engagement with the issue With the survivors that we support with us is a charity. A that means a great deal to us and the ripple effect of that is extraordinary. We have people contact us from all over the world since Wednesday to talk about what it means to them to see her. Take such a meaningful interest in what's going on in their lives and trying to make a difference. You mentioned that. This relationship began back in two thousand sixteen. How was it that the duchess I learned about save lives? Well I think she. She had expressed an interest to her advisers about the issue and they did very diligent. Work Making sure that she was then introduced to a number of organizations with aim. She might develop a compensation to learn more about the the topic more about the way organizations like 'cause work and to meet people who've had pestle experiences and of course this week we saw her meet up with a number of women who've been involved with safe lives this week The engagement was really tied into Valentine's campaign to celebrate the collective strength and resilience thousands of male and female victims across the country. How long does it usually take to bring something like this together? I mean presumably the relationship with the Duchess of Cornwall has continued behind the scene since twenty. Sixteen it's not always just engagements that we see this working partnership we've had the opportunity to engage a number of times since twenty sixteen One of the things that we work on a great deal at save lives the need to make sure that the response to domestic abuse isn't just held exclusively in the criminal justice system and we're passionately advocating the need for the health system in particular take a greater interest in domestic abuse domestic abuse to be treated as a public health. Problem is it so clearly is and it's so endemic Say We accompany turn visit to the Royal Stoke Hospital a couple of years ago so she could meet specialist workers. We call them. It was independent. Domestic violence advises located in that hospital to see the difference. It can make if you move that response into a health setting rather than have it based just in the community or indeed in Criminal Justice Setting We also then engaged with her a couple of years ago now at the Kamath heads of government meeting in London Where she talked a little about the role of employers in identifying and responding. What's going on for their employees and making sure that they're well supported so that people can stay in the workplace and in the workforce when they're having an experienced domestic abuse so it's been a long running and extremely constructive conversation and she has been able to highlight with some of the things that we feel are most important and as I say that has meant a great deal to survive is all of whom have taken lots of notice of the fact that she didn't just do this one. She didn't just do this twice but this is a really important sustained theme for her for her public work. And why do you think it is so important? We had a candidate remarks from the touches this week. In the Daily Mail newspaper she spoke about how this is an issue that affects everyone. It doesn't matter who you are and what your background is. And she sheds some very important words in that interview. But you spent time with yourself. What do you think it is that it makes us so passionate about this particular subject? Well she very generously says that the contact with safe lives and the survivors that we have brought her into contact with is the thing that really made the most significant difference to her so in twenty sixteen. We we invited her to. What was quite an experiential event In which Some of the survivors. We call them. Pioneers he worked with had laid out in the middle of the room and item that had particular resonance for them and their experience that they had had and talk about their experience from the perspective of of how the item was involved and I think she was really really moved by that experience. And that's what she's continued to to reflect on since was the sheer scale and severity of the issue really came home to her. That's event and the dire impact on people's identity and in a humanity really came home to her and I think that's something which people who know less about domestic abuse sometimes wouldn't understand is that it's not just about co some breezes and physical manifestations of harm so say very much about the psychological impact on people that goes on for years sometimes for decades after an experience is over and I think that touched her very personally and has stayed with ever since one of the things that really impressed me about the Dutch Sis. Thoughts on this was when she spoke about that twenty sixteen will that first meeting with? Save lives. She came away thinking. What can we do a bounce? It rather than just sort of leaving and moving onto the next thing. We often associate members of the royal family with sort of cutting ribbons than we think. It's very much about the pomp pageantry but for her. This is really about getting involved to make a difference and she says to break down the stigma surrounding the subject of domestic violence. Because of course every still such a strong taboo around it absolutely and I think that's such a a wonderful thing for the the survivors. He reconnect with. You understand him for our team to to think about it. Safe lives were very practical organization We actually leave a lot of campaigning. Work TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WAY. More focused on that practical Change that can be achieved in local areas and the Nashnamie and I think that that again is something that felt quite important to who was the sentences you say. What can we actually do? How do we make this change And she really listened to the women who are in the room that day. Do you understand what they felt. Positive change would look like and this week. We saw the duchess reunited with one of the women. She'd met on a previous engagements Rachel Williams domestic piece of I've Who I believe is when they met four years ago and most recently they were able to talk about sort of how far she's come from then. It was a stood out to me that Millard personally kept in touch with Rachel Williams since then and you seen this sort of extra effort made by the Duchess to really sort of be as hands on involved as possible. Well she quoted Rachel in his speeches. Since the moment they met in twenty sixteen We arranged visit for her with a colleague organization in New Zealand called shine and when she went to that organization she quoted what she'd heard from. Rachel. Rachel sent her book That Rachel wrote they'd been in touch about other things I know that Rachel wrote to her about the phenomenal conference that Rachel Round for survivors all across the UK last year in which hundreds of survivors came together to lift their voices to speak about their experiences and to draw strength from each other. And through all of that right Chilin the Duchesse de appear to have made a very personal connection which is incredible. You mentioned that the impact from Wednesday's engagement had already seen people reaching out from different parts of the world. How important is it for an organization like save lives to have a member of the royal family or someone prominent position shining? That spotlight on the work. That you're doing I think it's tremendously important That public position as Is a very important thing in the royal family do resonate for people all over the world and so two to adopt this as an issue an awesome an organization that she feels she want's to speak about on a public platform into US have public platform to draw? Attention is an incredible thing because it would be very easy not to do that or to only think about causes and issues which are a bit sort of safer in people's minds and it's incredibly important that we don't treat issues like domestic abuse if they've got to be kept out of public sight and out of view bad things go on behind closed doors because they're behind closed doors because their secret and the more that people with a public profile as well as those of us in the charity sector and another parts of the community can raise that the more we chip away at the kind of monster of secrecy that lives around domestic abuse and helps it to happen and of course there is still so much work to be done. I mean I was reading some of the statistics at least two women that killed each week in the UK by carnal fallen partners multi-million reports and it's important emphasize reports domestic apiece each year. What is on the horizon for safe lives? How much work is there to be done? And what is happening for the rest of this year for you guys? Yeah that's a huge amount to be done and that two million people who hadn't experienced last jared reported the crime surveying whales. Only one fifth of those will ever call the police. Yup So we know that this giant gap between what's going on in the criminal justice system and what's the what else is going on the people so for us as an organization we will continue to try and make sure that every single survivor is able to come forward. No matter what their background identity characteristics and that they get the support that they need as fast as possible because we know this still thought much delay in the system when people do try to speak out we want to make sure that specialist provision available wherever you are in the UK and that there isn't a set of Need to travel great distances to get the help that you need. We also want to challenge perpetrators to change into stop. We're not going to get to the records of this problem until those individuals who use harmful behaviors in their relationships are challenged to change and to stop and say that's vitally important to us and then finally I guess what we increasingly want to do is an organisation push upstream to stop harm before it happens to make sure that people understand. You know whether that's young people or in those of us who are older that these not acceptable behaviors and what does good like relationships. Of course. This week's engagements marked the fifteenth anniversary of save lives. I is there more work between yourself. And the Duchess of Cornwall. Coming up on the horizon. Can we seem anymore collaborations? Well we certainly hope so. We know what huge demands she has on her time But we feel that we forged a really fantastic relationship and I think the response that we've seen that engagement this week really underlines that so I hope in all of the things that we need to take forward as an organization and there are so many as you say That we will be able to continue to count her as a friend. Absolutely thank you so much for joining us. Thanks I met someone who knows experiencing domestic abuse you can reach out if you're in the UK to the national domestic violence hotline on Zero Eight Zero Eight two thousand two four seven and if you're in the US you can call the national domestic violence hotline at one. Eight hundred seven nine safe now. I mentioned the beginning of the show that we'll be hearing some candid remarks from the Duchess of Cambridge on motherhood and just announced today by Kensington Palace. Kate has taken part in a very special episode of a Motherhood podcast. Happy mom happy baby. Which is presented by a blogger and author Giovanni Fletcher here in the UK is a podcast focuses on the early years of. Motherhood Parenthood and a child's first experiences and it's lives has gained quite a cult following within the parenting community and was first noticed by the Duchess of Cambridge when she began the launch of five. Big Questions on the under-fire. Spike about that and the success of that at the beginning of the show but as well as hearing about other people's experiences his mother she was very keen to talk about her own. I and a number of royal correspondence and the UK were invited to Kensington Palaces. Week to hear a preview of this podcast. It's about thirty five minutes. We really get to hear the duchess took passionately about not just the work that she's doing her own experiences of motherhood. The conversation took place sometime in January and engagement in London which Kate met Giovanni the podcast host her franken warming conversation covering all aspects. Parenthood of course is episode that counterparts in discusses the five big questions. But it also talks about recognizing that everyone has a role in ensuring strong healthy foundations for the youngest in our society and how that positively affects their lifelong outcomes. Now the podcasts doesn't drop until this weekend but it was great to hear some remarks from Kate. She spoke about parts of our own childhood that she'd want to give to children talking about some of the experiences that she had and some of the things that she would have taught herself if she knew what she knew. Now one of the things that really stood out to me. She spoke about the quality of relationships and her own experiences with her grandmother. Growing up your devices a lot of time to her playing with her arts and crafts she spoke about going to the greenhouse to do gardening cooking with her and in coal pricing a lot of those experiences that she had with her into the experiences that she has with her children is really what makes a special time for them now. I think what really stood out in. This was just kate speaking from the heart. We don't often get to speak on engagements unless it's through a speech. Of course we have heard speaking interviews in the past. But I would say that there was probably a lack of candidness in those conversations as dean to view with Dave on progresses. Really Kate talking from the heart about motherhood she talks about how it has been challenging times and how high first pregnancy with Prince George was the toughest experience of a life. She said that she was actually quite excited. About giving birth because it meant d. end of that chapter. Of course as we knows we saw well-documented that she suffered from serious serious morning sickness but we also heard talk about the struggles of parenthood. How there isn't always that confidence that you see others have In your own parenting skills and it was really refreshing to hear her. Speak About you know. We see on from the outside that her family life looks perfect but she spoke about some of the struggles that her and William faced and how they've really had to work hard to find confidence in raising their own children. She shed a few fun anecdotes about the first time that her and William had to take Prince George home from Linda Wing Hospital in London. And how William had been practicing away at home Swatting a dull and putting into a car seats in the car so he got it right in front of the press and of course that moment that we saw him swing the crib into the back of the car and clip it into the seat and drive back to Kensington Palace. Whilst look perfect it was actually very very rehearsed and I think that's really the takeaway message from. This is the parenting for everyone. No matter what. Your background is difficult and it can be extremely challenging. But I think the hearing people like cates talk about her own struggles. Probably makes the couple much more relatable in they do live very different life to the rest of us and I think that that was really the takeaway from this podcast. Is that no matter what your background is. Way You come from being a parent is naughty and that it is really important to get that support that you need for the experience that you have. And as Kate said in the conversation that she had to achieve on a fletcher. She says it's going to take a long time. I'm talking about generational change but hopefully this is the first small step to start a conversation around the importance of early childhood development. She says it's not just about happy. Healthy children this is a lifelong consequences and outcomes. I think it's great to see have finally found something that she is so passionate about and doing things in a slightly more unique way. I think turning up for engagements is great. We get the photos. We get the great footage of her interacting with people in different locations. But actually doing something like a podcast which isn't on video and I think that it was very purposely. Not ON VIDEO. Because Kate can feel quite shy in front of the camera. We got to hear a much more laid-back Duchess than we used to hearing and I'm all for this. I really WanNa hear more if they K- moving forward. I think it's about time because you know he's spoken so much. We've read so much about how she has. This new found confidence for the work that she's doing and it's great to actually see it in action so if you do want to check out that podcast it will be available. I believe from the end of Saturday. If you search for happy mom happy baby on whatever podcast platform use. It will be out the definitely well worth a lesson. And if you want to take part in cates. Five question survey idea believe there are few days left to do it in so head over to five. That's the number five big questions dot all dot. Uk and that just about wraps us up for this week we will be seeing more of the. Sussex is very soon we've heard from the palace their final engagements as working members of the royal family will be taking place in early March. That will be an appearance. At least by Harry at the Mountbatten Festival of music at the Royal Albert Whole. We saw the couple that last year and this is an event that features the bands of Her Majesty's. Royal Marines. An easy takes place a two nights. Prince Harry a Meghan. Tb See will appear at. This event will be one of the last. Probably appoint an event for Harry as well because of course by giving up his role as a senior member of the royal family. 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The Myth of Caroline Calloway and Scammer Celebrities With Taylor Lorenz | Ringer Dish

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The Myth of Caroline Calloway and Scammer Celebrities With Taylor Lorenz | Ringer Dish

"What's up guys. It's Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network. We hope you enjoyed listening to break stuff the story of Woodstock Ninety Nine on luminary now now continuing with their ninety nine theme. I wanted to let you guys know what all new episodes of the Rewatch Bulls Ninety nine thousand nine starting back up right now since he returned we have re watched watched eyes wide shut and election up next is never been kissed and many more nine hundred ninety nine classics so make sure to check out through watchable 's one thousand nine hundred nine on Luminary hello and welcome to ringer dish on the ringer podcast network. I'm Elizabeth Neck and I'm here today to talk about scammers to do that. I am joined by the New York Times reporter Taylor Laurenz who covers social media and influencers and you know occasionally escape in their thanks for having me of course the thing that is on everyone's one's mind and is on twitter New York media twitter's mind in particular is Caroline Calloway and I'm sure a lot of you don't even know that so we should start with that question who is Caroline Calloway well. That's the thing not a lot of people even know who she is. She's kind of creation of the media She is a twenty seven year old blond instagram star. She's most well known for really long captions she kind of was one of the first people to really pioneer instagram as a blogging platform she went viral initially back in two thousand fifteen for her like really long in-depth posts costs about life as an American at Cambridge University and then she kind of went dark until earlier this year when she got embroiled in kind of a scandal right right and the scandal candle was like she was holding a workshop for Create Shitty Yeah so she basically organized this workshop for fans. Essentially it was a glorified refined meet and greet. She didn't organize it. Well I mean no fan of hers really anticipated it to be organized well because she's kind of famous for her like Disasters Astor's and having no ability to organize anything but you know a lot of reporters from the outside saw that and decided that that you know her whole workshop was a scam and so she got a ton of press coverage around that to the extent that that she ended up naming the seconds of tour of her workshop slash meet-and-greet actually the scam right and they were comparisons to fire festival in there. You're right yeah I mean to me. It's just like everyone is so quick to call basically anything of Fire Festival. It wasn't a fire festival because it happened and who man's went and the fans that went actually had an amazing time and felt like the money was totally worth it but I think from the outside in the media people were calling it a scam yeah and I wanna get it more into that because his whole podcast is going to be about like what is a scammer and why do we see them as heroes and anti heroes but I also think it's important important to define what a meet and greet is because this is the thing that a lot of youtubers and influencers do right. It's they basically have fans. Come see them at a location and they get to take take photos with them and it's basically like paying fans arrested. There's usually a fee involved. Is that about right yeah. I mean because Caroline Calloway isn't really like an influencer closer she doesn't have any kind of brand partnerships she doesn't do you know any kind of promotional stuff on her feed that she's paid for so one way that she makes money off. Personal brand is by hosting meeting rates and like you said it's really common. I mean this is how many influencers who are kind of getting away from branded content. Eh monetize so you know Jake Paul might have one which involves like him taking a Selfie and if you pay an extra you know six hundred dollars. You get to hang out with him. I short amount of time or whatever caroline did one where you essentially come and you do this kind of writing slash creativity workshop with her and then you know you get an instagram photo to put on your own feed and Mason Jar of sorts right an amazing are with some kind of flower plant clipping which honestly like if we're thinking about the entire influencer industry. That's kind of a wholesome way to make your money to support yourself yeah. I actually you know I'm a little bit sympathetic for Caroline because influencers are so constantly lambasted by the press and followers for selling out and doing these brand partnerships and how authentic it is on so mean greets are a more authentic quote unquote way to monetize and it seems kind of more like direct like you're actually also interacting with your fans and giving giving them something as opposed to just selling to them so I do think it's a friendlier way to monetize. I guess you could say friendlier way to monetize and so yeah. She has been lambasted because I mean the reason everyone is talking about. Her is because there is there was an article in the cut by a woman who ghost wrote her captions with her in the early days yeah she co wrote. She's she co-wrote so basically back in her early days and like twenty fifteen even before before she got to Cambridge this girl Co wrote some instagram captions and sort of helped her brainstorm ideas and tippy honest. I ah everyone does that like I don't know I kind of was like une shocked just because there's an entire business like there are there apps that are specifically created like like to give you instagram captions and you know this is a whole industry so the fact that like her really close friend at the time was sort of a co collaborator later on this instagram account for years ago it didn't really surprised me. I think what was unfair and really predatory was the way that caroline treated that front which which was to kind of like us also to ghost write her book. Proposal Carolina is an aspiring writer and she writes on Instagram and she had gotten this half a million million dollar book deal that it turns out was essentially you know mostly written by her friend right and to be clear like these captions may have been long but there there wasn't necessarily assist -arily like I'm saying this from a place of love as a writer who has tried to be poetic. They weren't necessarily poetic like they were pretty straightforward like yeah. It's like blogging hang and yeah just you didn't ghost write a novel and by the way again I just want to reiterate this guy did not go straight anything she kinda co-developed these captions with Carolina which Caroline's been really explicit about and has sort of acknowledged edited all of those captions so sure I do think that Natalie story in the cut has been compelling to us us because it it sort of hits at this type of female relationship that we've also had we're like there's one person who's like really fabulous and really outgoing and gets all the attention and is the star of the show and then. There's another person who's like a little more shy like maybe she's. She's a Brunette friend to be honest. I thought like to me that was what was so compelling about this. I also feel like a lot. A lot of people in media. are that like awkward friend and I think that's also what helped get a lot of traction initially so many people being like like I was this person to this percents. I personally like resonated so much you know like so when it's well written I mean her friend is an amazing writer too so I think that's a really good point that that's the type of personality that resonates with the media and the media was they were the ones were so obsessed with this and I think caroline is kind of a great great mark for that because everyone in the media is kind of obsessed with you know like moving their career for getting that book deal like in finding some kind of artistry in their work and here Caroline Calloway was supportive deigning to deem herself like a historian and writer and an artist out on instagram and it it you know if you took a different path and you feel slightly better that you're not getting successor attention like that's a person that you could make fun of commit yourself feel better yeah sh she such a scapegoat for so many things to me. It's just like this girl I mean it's kind of like when they found like trump's uh-huh tax returns from like the nineties or something like that. I kind of irrelevant. It's kind of like that where it's like okay yeah so this goal like. Co wrote some captions in twenty fourteen like it's almost twenty twenty now and she's been writing. You know multiple posts today for now quite a long time. Men been very vocal on right so much in her stories like it's not like there's any kind of like dearth of Carolina calloway writing out on the Internet you know so I felt like it was too little too late like at at a time to come forward with that would have been like twenty fifteen when she was getting famous yet and yet she is labeled kind of like as a fraud by the media and the conversation member station like verge yeah when she's not a fraud I mean she didn't it's not like this girl has been ghost framing caroline anyone who follows her no she literally just like vomits out words on Graham Account all day I mean I can't even keep up with the amount of strays it's amazing. I know I was looking at it. As I write like six hundred words of my essay that feels like I'm getting blood drawn and I was like how does she just post so motivity for the amount she posts like there aren't that many typos like Bravo girl yeah so anyway I wanna read an excerpt from the essay because I think the essay itself created the comparison listen of her and other scammers. Some GonNa read that really quick people. Ask Me if she's a female billy. McFarland both characters from Ingrid Goes West and Adele. I'll be with an art history degree but push back. If it was just money and fame she was after all she had to do is be quiet and let me do the work. She could have been paid. Hundreds of thousands of dollars others gone on the tour she always wanted and recorded the audiobook in the beguiling voice of hers but she had to be the one to tell her own life story. Even if she couldn't Carolina's caught between who she was and who she believed herself to be which in the end may have been the most relatable thing about her. This is why when people ask me of Carolina's a scammer. I tried to explain and that if she is her first mark is always herself. I thought that was a great. Summary loved that paragraph. I literally screen shot of it because I thought it it was such a good articulation of like what makes her the way that she is. I also think that the way that Natalie her friend wrote that it draws a comparison between her and people like Billy McFarland Indiana delve but without sort of explaining. It's not like she's a scammer like she scammed people out of tons of money but just that she like everyone deludes themselves. I guess about who they are and that is our relationship with social media as well totally totally yeah I would call her not scammer pretty adamantly because she's never successfully scammed anything like like Natalie so accurately points lights out like had she just wanted fame and had she just truly been like most influencers like a stereotypical influence or like she would have just bought into this system revolves sponsorship yeah exactly but instead you know she's obsessed with this narrative and in writing and I I would say she also has this very symbiotic relationship with the media like to me. She's much more of like a Julia Allison or Cat Mar Mar now where it's these people that court the press and they are very obsessed with like viewing themselves through the press and in a way that like I think it's just different different than most influencers were happy to just kind of post and do spunk. Khan and you know they don't consider themselves as artists I would say yeah and Kenmare no has been commenting commenting on all of these posting like ice. Oh sorry I know it's kind of scary. I feel like I mean I saw Carolina asking for Coke on instagram this past week girl like I mean that's another thing about all this media coverage. Is that like the media loves a train wreck and they completely built the skull from nothing and then now you you know are participating in this takedown of her rice. It's so painful to watch from the outside and we should clarify. She has eight hundred K. followers which in the world of influencers is actually. I'm not super a lot and she bought a lot of them. So Natalie revealed to. She bought followers several times and you she she doesn't have a huge audience. I mean the thing is she. Ultimately has a very small but dedicated audience but very small and that is also why all of these you know explainers explaining the who she is have gone viral and performed so well why every single media organization is doing them because nobody actually really knows who she is like. It's it's not like she's some super famous lifestyle influence or that people in the no no. I mean people like media people know her because she constantly baits the media but she doesn't have any kind of like widespread appeal. I guess say right. I think I was listening on who weekly and they were saying like. The person that you will in the debate is the one you don't know who they are. Exactly weekly always got it right. Yeah exactly that's exactly it and but sometimes those are the most compelling people because you know all you know about them. Tom. Is this like narrative. That's essentially been created around them and you. KINDA WANNA know more and Caroline's case when you go to find more you find this total trainwreck which is you can't turn your is away from so yeah I mean we should say that her she announced that her dad died like almost immediately and then she gave an interview to CNBC or NBC Z. NBC ABC News Dot Com I to be honest no shade to NBC. I mean I respect them but I think interviewing someone two hours after their dad died is it is. I don't know if that's anything I would ever do yeah all of it's just super raw and really out there and I just never could imagine not having the interior. Are Your Life where I could process these things not out in public yeah. I mean she wants. I guess to her like she considers it therapeutic. I think that Unfortunately Carolina Line at which I don't know how much we've gotten into already is an addict. I mean she's an admitted active adderall. She says she's recovering but not sober. I mean she's posted many times over the past few weeks about cocaine and acid and and looking for drugs and so it's sad I mean you're essentially watching Biscardi. Who has a known history of mental illness and addiction issues implode in real time in the media is leaching onto it so it kind of feels gross after a while yeah yeah it's not fun and it's like the whole point of influencers is that these are supposed to be figures that we can use to fulfill some sort of entertainment gap in between when we're watching TV and we're watching movies and I I think in this case it's gotten gross like it's not it. It's we should give her some privacy. The and like people shouldn't be buying into it yeah but so a lot of stuff maybe move on. I do think it's it's interesting to discuss and I hope that like this conversation wasn't necessarily part of that gawking but I mean I think they like interviews right after her. Dad died in things like like that or are you know I think that she as a media figure is interesting to kind of deconstruct and think about and she's definitely sort of like a new branch branch of influencers celebrity type of person but but I am she gets help. We're going to have to learn how to navigate these things more and more I think yeah but around the same time that this caroline colleen uses popping off people were out there sort of standing offering early rave reviews on the the movie Hustler starring Jaylo. I can't wait to see it. I haven't seen it yet and I like dying to see you. I'm GonNa go this week. Yeah I saw it last week. It was amazing. Djalo is like a human muscle like I just can't believe the thing that she can do on a pole. It's astounding. I saw some quote from her. When like she sang like every girl has the muscles or something like that. She's like every girl. Has the muscles those muscles. They're like flaccid on my body it. It's so true. It's so true. It's just like if you put me up on that poll. I would fall right back down. The movie itself is is based on a original New York magazine story that came out a couple years ago about these strippers in New York City who were dragging. Wall Street Dude like Super Rich Wall Street dudes and running up their credit cards to the Max and Basically Robin hooding the situation and so in a way they are one of our. Oh Jeez scam stories from the early twenty tens right. Yeah I mean this was I think right after the financial crisis I think is when a lot of this was going down and so there was this kind of notion of like you said robbing from the rich to give to people who need it and I think the woman who Jaylo plays she saw the movie herself. I saw this weekend at South Street seaport. I was looking at the Paparazzi TVOS She basically was just like I you know I was just trying to feed my child. I wasn't thinking of any kind of like broader narrative but I think that it's yeah I mean we like stories like this because it's like the good scam you know what I mean like Cathartic. I think that's what we love about alive so many scams. It's like the people that that deserved to get taken get. Had you know yeah exactly well and I also think that there's something to be said like each scam. Blown up over the couple of years you know there was a summer of the scam and it's just in style randomly not randomly because it's based on our own American culture but I think each scam sort of puts the spotlight on a different inaccessible area of culture that either feels out have reached for the average person or just completely like snobby or this upper-crust inaccessible group of people who you always suspect something weird weirdest going down and so there's a satisfaction when they get got in some yes yeah. It feels like justice. It feels like you're getting justice us and I felt that when I was watching this like just like them drugging these men. I was just like fuck yes. I can't begin to explain like how angry I it was just because I lived through the recession I guess and I was just like these people stood as place holders for like all the crazy stuff that went down down in the subprime market exactly exactly and like they kind of did this to us so you want to see them. Get taken advantage of also. It's just like it's it's female empowerment power. It's like women taking back. You know money that they probably deserve more than these crooks so because children to feed like yeah the caretakers yeah. I think like an adult is also a great example of that but in a different area of New York Society Eddie. I think like we focus on New York society specifically because they're like the class system Mary so on display in so many ways just like out on the street and you know when like you can't go to a place like they're so house and then there's a bar down the street like there's all these structures built in and she just sort sort of like expertly figured out a way to navigate this High Society Group of like High Spenders to the point where like it almost seemed like she believes herself. That was an interesting thing yeah that was so compelling because especially as a New Yorker. You just read it and you're like Oh. These people are just as phony. Dan Crazy as you think the one thing I felt kinda bad for is like her best friend and a friend that had loaned that money and yes like Rachel Williams. Kinda fucked talked up yeah because it's like man like I've let my friends money and it kind of like Anna Delvin to me is like Caroline Calloway. Ask where you know she's kind of using people for certain things and whether she means to are not she kind of ends up scoring them over you know like I think an adopt. The time was kind of like promising a lot. I mean she was so different a lot. I wish I think she was committing wire fraud. Yeah New York society is so endlessly fascinating and I just feel like it's there's this like my favorite story. Ever written is called like the number one girl. It's a New York magazine cover story from I think two thousand seven or eight about the battle of socialite rank this website that ranked socialites back time. Oh yeah between Olivia Pope Ramon Tinsley Mortimer socialites like battling it out to get rated higher by this website that turned out to be run by total ranchos does and I was just like what a good like explanation of the Internet at whole. Hopefully we'll and it's like they have to be emanating white-hot confidence in order to make that happen and like yeah that was the thing to like. She was just able to command the room because she like. She made you believe that she she was that person. Yeah and you just wonder how much she's deluding herself to believing that you know yeah delusion again another theme that you mentioned earlier yeah. You can't be a scammer unless you're totally diluted about yourself right but like the funny thing is it's like people still like fan girl like I remember when she was like Sh- appearing in court people were like yeah her outfit and it was almost like there. There was a a Delhvi high of for a Moment Yeah Billy McFarland. I think is probably a more villainous person on the spectrum of scammers. Would you say yeah yeah kill. Anyone like you didn't put anyone in like super a lot of danger but I would say like mild danger like maybe dehydration. He prayed on all the poor locals like that's what I thought the Netflix documentary got into much more than the Hulu wine is like on fire fast is just that like he you you know planned this elaborate events fire fast which ended up being a total bust and like it sucks for all the like people that you know lost their ten one thousand dollar tickets like ha ha right but like I just felt so bad for the locals that never got paid and I sure well and he himself. Is this funny representative because he's basically basically like a hype man like who was taking advantage of other rich people so yeah. No one really felt bad about the situation like when when we were all watching it unfold real time on social media we were like. Ha Look at your lame sandwiches like you paid all this money to be right exactly well but yeah. I mean afterwards when you saw that there was like a sort of ripple effect within the local community that was not cool he himself like really underlined how easy it was to manipulate social media media to make something seem like something. It seem like it's something that's that's what I thought was like. I I think also just kind of like what made that story so huge which is like it was kind of this like way to talk about like the whole instagram versed reality phenomenon 'cause it was it was so clear. I I was actually at this like influencer marketing conference in La in July. That was it total bust light. I mean there was like knowing that was so weird. Oh my God I was i. It was like why am I even here. I left after yards but like and the sponsors. We're all like had abandoned their booths because there was no one there it was really sad. I was looking at People's posts on social media and I guess because everyone there is like in the influence our industry they want. It seems amazing but they were like hyping it up and I was just like this is why no one believes anything on the Internet yeah. They're just such flimsy standards. I mean dies been an issue in the influencer economy for a long time. There's flimsy standards for what you you can advertise and how you can advertise it right yeah yeah. There is like no standards basic. I think you were on like a panel after that like talking to Molly Kereta Goski oh God that was so random yeah like did you ask her about how she screening now. What did she say yeah. I was on this like Yahoo. I I was supposed to be the guest on this who finance and then they brought in another guest. Who is Emily Radic Hausky so I was like okay well. I'm not really really anymore so then. I just asked her like a couple random questions but I think the we are. The one thing I asked was like you know. How are you screening brand deals now and I think that unfortunately I mean people like brought. A house-key don't scream their own stuff. I mean the people who advertised fire fast like Bella Hadid and all of these models like that was all organized through these management companies and publicists so you know some of them didn't even really understand understand what they were appearing in so but they're ultimately held accountable so I think that if you're an influence or you have to just be more aware and you have to have a PR and and Management Management Team. That's that knows that any blowback. It's like a celebrity. ENDORSEMENT IS GONNA go on you right yeah. Just it needs to be taken more seriously. You can't just like you know cash the check and be like sure whatever I raised snake oil thing totally then you know so. He didn't kill anyone that's fine but I do think like Elizabeth. Holmes might be like the most Innis on the end of the spectrum like if we were ranking all the scammers that we've spoken to or we spoken about Elizabeth. Holmes put a a lot of people in danger. She was the head of Theranos and she embodied this classic sort of tech founder like mysterious tech founder Dr who wore a black turtleneck just like Steve Jobs and spoken this like deep deep voice and talk a big game. She talked up her company. As if it was is going to be revolutionary as if it was going to change how we take blood samples forever and it turned out to be entire scam John Kerry you chronicles in his excellent book but but a lot of people were put in danger and I think this is just a great example of like a person's confidence and desire desire to push their idea forward no matter what just basically at all costs like just astounded me all of the insane stuff she was doing being in that book that book which is called bad blood is literally. I read it in like a day and a half because I couldn't put it down but yeah it's crazy. I mean I mean her negligence and delusion again where she sees herself as this like once in a generation like revolutionary founder and she actually hasn't done anything like I can't even make a blood testing machine work right and she's you know an awful person. It sounds like created this terrible toxic work atmosphere so yeah I mean like I I think like the reason not one was so compelling is exposed the whole bullshit of Silicon Valley and how like so many of these startups are just scams you know uh-huh and unverified and go oh my God the Dussehra background story for our dear listeners is that they it came up with these like extremely expensive cheuse juicers where like you had to buy these premade like bags full of Greens and then juicer would like press this them into a cup and it would be like very fancy basically bought a bag of juice and you put it into the juicer and full of like like vegetables like like no whatever pureed though it was already processing interesting yeah like you can just like care for juice right yeah right. Ah which when you put it that way. Uh Sounds Great. I know how to do a pitch okay but I think like it seems kind of insane because juices this is already juice and it was just squeezed juice right and I think it was Bloomberg that discovered that you didn't need. They really expensive apparatus to squeeze the juice. You could just do it with your hands hands. Grab a bag of juice and squeeze it into the COP and like that's such a maybe my favorite illustration of like the Silicon Valley L. E. Scam because that company got millions and billions of dollars worth of invest pass yeah. I like their. CEO was this guy he would like just like out at burning man. He was like a total hippy like I like that story better than the Theranos one because Toronto is like Dr Arnn Fall and armful all Ja just like this is hilarious like no one thought that you could just squeeze it with. It's so funny. the I think the Varsity Blues Scandal Oh was I a really amazing one just because we had such great material from this is college admissions scandal where thirty three parents parents from high society including few celebrities like Felicity Huffman. They were caught basically bribing institutions to run-up. Sat scores or get their kids in on a sports scholarship when they didn't play that sport and was revealed in dramatic fashion by the FBI. There were a lot of assays on this that made me really think about like what I believed as a young high schooler about college that Chrissy and like basically all of the value I put into acceptance like it was essentially a meal feeling legitimized by an institution that I share fell yeah. I kind of felt similar but I think an opposite view of college. I didn't want to go to college because I thought there was this really really dumb. Kid that I knew growing up that got into Harvard it basically like because he was a super legacy and I just remember being like a sophomore or junior and junior when he was a freshman and I was just like Oh like this is all total bullshit like if this stupid guy can get into Harvard like that means nothing you know and I felt so validated when all of this came out because I was just like you know what I knew it like and like unfortunately all these people go into student loan debt being told award that you know there's this elite class of people and you get into these good schools in it's like it's all a sham yeah. I just think like higher education in general is I think people are starting to realize what a scam. It is yeah the I was reading the Geo Tolentino Essay about the seven scams in her new book which is awesome and she does a really great job as she always does of connecting every single major moment in American history to this idea of scamming. That's basically the way to get ahead and prosper in America and if you're not doing it you're actually the fool yeah and I think that that is like it's just a great example. I mean she just has a really good I for picking this out and realizing like actually meritocracy talk. CRECY is not part of American culture. It's not about working hard like Alexis. De Tocqueville is wrong. Yeah and it's about actually just like finding a way to abuse trust for profit. Yeah I mean that is full on Americans. Nothing about our societies equal or meritocracy like pretty sad so I have to read it everything. She writes so good I have to. I have her book. I haven't started yet. Yeah Yeah highly recommend it. I mean it's basically taking everything we talked about today and weaving get together with beautiful words but I do. I do wonder whether or not you think all of these scammers are GONNA go down in history as heroes of some sorts like are they robin hoods. Are we going to eventually have a more nuanced understanding of how to treat these people in society. I would say one thing that strikes me as I write a lot about young people I guess you could say like middle schoolers and high schoolers and they're like at least the ones I talk to are like nihilists in a way where they're just like. I like. It's like a full embrace of capitalism where it's like the look like this world. I know that everything's a scam and I know everything's bullshit. I'm just GONNA try to play this game as much as I can. I just I feel like in a way where like maybe people like millennials or older. It's like you really bought into the system and you're always told about this system and at least like it kind of makes me feel better that like young people are at least like. Oh Yeah. I know this is all bullshit because that makes you feel better even though then they're like exploiting exploiting it to an extent that like you know they're going to surpass all of us but like yeah right yeah like I do wonder how that will play out like who the Gen Z. scammers will obi and like there's so many of them though that's the thing like every single second. There's a new team like I mean this is what I mean about like not even knowing what scam is news worthy like. I feel like ten times a day. I hear about some like super insane elaborate scam at these kids have done to get money and they've gotten a lot of money and I'm like is every every teenager dislike running a pyramid scheme like it's like what is an example of that. I'm I'm curious. Are you talking about the ache or something no which which I don't think it was like a real scam that was just a stunt and I think that I was Kinda. Older no I mean like creating you know some fake mean page buying buying lots of followers telling people to damn you for promotion and then wiping it or selling an instagram account and then not or like I mean more more I mean or a lot of them getting funding for for companies that never take off or you know creating elaborate schemes where Y- like embassador type schemes where it's like. You'll be my brand bathroom. You just have to pay. Hey Me there's like. There's just so many things like that or there's all these you know. bitcoin related ones where it's like. I feel like kids also understand crypto. Oh and I'm like I don't understand crypto yeah but they I don't know a bunch of kids were like can you write about this. Crypto scam like this guy stole you know ten thousand dollars worth of ether and I'm like like your thirteen. Where'd you get the money for them so I'm from Silicon Valley and I have a little brother. WHO's in highschool there and he's running scam of his never brother on? I would be like part of the scam no but she was saying that like he had a a someone he knew in high school who likes straight up made a bunch of money off of Bitcoin and then just like moved out of his parents house and like I mean I don't know if this real like maybe my little brother just exaggerated like apparently moved his parents house and like drives a Maserati or something. Thank you just shogo size school. I think it's so fun changing your lifestyle so much but then simultaneously initially not changing like Oh. I don't have to live with mom anymore but I'll still continued to go scam. I just think like I guess like young people always like subvert the system in in interesting ways and I think that like at least I think because of all these scams in all this awareness around scams and kind of like backlash against some of these institutions is that like we were taught to buy in to for so long like it just gives me hope because I'm like God like we don't need more people buying into this like you know broken bullshit that all these like boomers have been parroting hurting for decades. I'm going to change and it makes sense that we were raised under the Obama Administration and came out like superstar yeah. I didn't like hoping open people will be good and then like all of these. Jersey people are witnessing a trump administration and they're like this dude is a scammer like he got to be president resident like why wouldn't we be scammers yeah and like respect because you played the system and you want yeah yeah. I think that's a good place to end. Thank you so much for being me. Yes see you next time. Thanks so much guys

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Rocket 244: #christinashaming

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Rocket 244: #christinashaming

"Hello and welcome to rockets exhilarated keith conversation this episode i know now is sponsored by a PDF pen and zap i'm some under roche for a video producer at polygon dot com and i'm here today with brianna wu democratic candidate for congress and christina warren and a senior cloud advocate at microsoft you got it yes i did i've been so good at getting it and then i stopped being good getting it just now but i'm getting it again if you if made peaceable editing listen on the on the recipe for today's show a whole month of apple rumors has culminated in an apple apple's keynote and we will be discussing it on top of that will also have the second part of our interview with racial williams which obvious super excited excited for and then to close out the day we will of course be talking about the serega dreamcast 'cause it's literally early the earth anniversary twentieth no one nine nine nine nine hundred eighty nine i knew nine nine thing but i did not feel compel no money five i'd be i'd be technically for even though we all know never turning thirty so this is this is not happening yeah true you are trapped in a time warp we all we all it's very sad we keep trying to help christine get get free her from the time but she angrily to know i paid those people so much money for like the the the anti aging aging serum i mean i i i promised all the children are never going to have for it but yeah well what you look great so so let's talk about iphones later as oh god i i start with the negative to feed negative to a different topic than and cover our audience take oh i just okay so let's let's get this out on the table today apple event was incredibly boring and watching it felt like i was being held hostage because i really wanted to go get a drink not alchoholic drink just some gosh darn teeth in the kitchen but i couldn't leave i was tethered to this never ending apple event that i had to consume because i had to come here and talk to you all tonight so i'm not saying that you owe me money for psychological damages but i AM saying that this episode rocket is no it's not anyway yeah so it was really boring but one of the things we talked about was the new iphones so christina christina wanted to say something how do we start with the iphone okay we can do that you know i mean actually i was gonna say let's let's start with the what they started with which was game pass yeah okay okay not game pass arcade i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm getting i'm getting my brands confused happening i'd like to mash together arcade apple TV plus into one yes yes so first of all was anybody impressed with what they showed off from arcade it was fine it was okay it was whatever never yeah so they showed off bits of a new frogger game they showed off sign are weld hurts majority new is going to be good and i genuinely can't remember the middle game that showed off which is a little bit depressing but what they did do the most exciting thing i think that they did during this whole segment was to confirm that both arcade and apple TV plus will before ninety nine eight yeah and then the big thing with apple TV plus this this is this is really strategic for them this is the way for them to juice their subscriber numbers which is important in the you know streaming tv service battle which right now i was dominated by netflix and amazon and hulu but is about to be dealt a very very very big blow by disney is that they will be giving anyone who buys is basically any apple products on iphone and ipad a mac i don't know if they said apple TV or not because ironically as much as they talked about TV plus the apple apple TV did not get any mention at all and so if you buy any of these apple devices than you will get a free year of of apple TV plus and so but normally it will be five dollars a month which i think is a good price that's coming in under the competition disney's what 699 but the the one year free is what they're going to do which is not dissimilar from kind of their early apple music strategy which which was to give think everybody got like ninety days free or something up yup so this is smart but i think that i also i also think i think it's really strategic and i think it's a really smart move i also think that they are going to use this to mask the actual number of subscribers they have and they're going to be i i'm predicting now they're going to be lots of fawning like forbes articles by forbes contributors from from people who look at these amazing subscriber numbers when no they're free and what you're really going to have to wait for is next november so that the service launches november i it sounds to me i want you guys take it sounds to me like it is not ready it sounds to me like they are launching on november first because disney is launching november twelfth and you're going to have a selection of shows available they didn't tell us how many they mentioned inching that the morning show one hundred million us which means that they put it on facebook because it it didn't get one hundred million views on youtube so they put it on facebook and they mentioned that every month new content will be added so i'm really curious about how big this initial slate is an i would say i think it's it's really good thing that they're giving it to everybody who buys an apple products for a period of time i've been remember when amazon started amazon video right and they had the same problem they didn't have much content and they vary specifically had the strategy of well people aren't going to complain about not having much content which was a horror movies which i loved right there's a there's a key difference there amazon video was part of prime yup i know you were getting it as as bonus issue this was before prime became kind of but that was kind of the beginning of prime becoming the magical catchall o of services so they were it was a really good value out where you're saying well i'm just giving this to you and they did have catalog content right they didn't have results it was several years before they had originals does your right but they had catalog content whereas apple TV plus is not going to have catalog contents is going to have a limited number of of originals that they're you're going to be releasing each month and then i mean i think that the hope i mean this is how it reads to me i'm not trying to be overly negative but it seems like they're trying to give themselves a a year to build out a streaming service which look you know what maybe they need to do that because disney is gonna go eat the world and i think this is probably a really smart move but i think for anybody i've seen a lot of hot takes already saying that apple's going to kill nut flex on netflix all of the content apple has three of the content not only that but i think that if you look at people who are going to spend their money like not talking about a free service i don't know anyone in the entire universe even the biggest like most devout apple fans there's literally maybe one person who would choose apple TV plus it's over disney plus yeah honestly netflix at this point it feels like the kleenex so streaming services like oh you have to have everything else feels it's like i'm buying on top of that netflix is the one that i just assume everyone kind of has even though i am sure a lot of people have it through friends and family and things like that ah i wanna revisit something you said so when you said catalog content you're offering to like say the the rentals of existing movies that they do on talk and things like that no no no no i mean like older content that is not original so win launch they had the stars library which which provided them with an enormous amount of of of content and when amazon launched like brita there are a lot of horror movies and there are a lot of like lesser quality other films and so basically what happens is you can go oh two studios i mean HBO in cinemax and showtime and the others did this for years to where they were basically by you know writes two older older you know content catalog content that exists way back and make it available and then it would be on a rotating basis for many many years that was the vast majority already of netflix catalog until it became originals it's still you know something that amazon cares about but like apple doesn't have any of that at least my knowledge so it's going going to be their originals and their originals only which is another reason why i think the five dollar price point is the correct price point because i think if they tried to go any higher than that bat that would be a problem but i think that five dollars assuming they come out with a reputable slate of shows that you want to watch thing that could eventually be compelling but i think i think that that that first year free is kind of the way they're going to get a lot of onto the door i totally agree with your assessment about them inflating the numbers yeah no i do too we have a love apple news to get to so i don't dwell on this too long i was unimpressed i'm gonna try it countries care quick chopin's here just anyone on the show still subscribed to apple news because i didn't find the value because they're personally i didn't even sign up for the trial yeah i did there maybe because i have so many subscriptions dot something i need to think about but that's interesting i wish the best i'm gonna give it a go so don't have high hopes with it as far as cade any thoughts here for me this is a month where the switch has so much good stuff on it astral chains means FFA remake you know it's a dragon dragging niche builders to that is just there's nothing there this compete heat with anything on switch so when it comes to my personal gaming attention just where it is how how do you feel smith best pretty much how i feel too i mean i'm saving concern our wild hearts for the swiss release that's the platform that i'm choosing to get it on i there are a lot of people got excited because is kind of not announced during the keynote but buried afterwards it was revealed that they were doing like a sean tae remake or re release on i phone there was another like a bunch of older series that have very dedicated but small fan bases are being brought back for IOS frogger being the one that they mentioned during the keynote which is interesting as a tactic i i don't necessarily it's not necessarily something that's gonna work on me we'll see how that plays out as the service rolls out but there's definitely nothing thing that screams must get in a year when we've seen control come out hon PC in the bigger consoles like you said the switches having having an absolutely killer year iphone obviously does still remain a huge market for games really it it changes carr's the paradigm so i'm excited to see what happens but not for me my my my only brief comment on this i don't think that our kedah's for us yeah i would agree with you i think arcade is for families i think carcade is is for for very casualty i don't think it's chiltern yes that's what i mean like i think i think it's for kids i think it's for families maybe one away to play together over families you want to buy their kids you know for five dollars a month you have access to these things no purchase go nuts i think that's actually really great and i'm really glad they're doing that and they're offering kind of a path for game developers to to build something sustainable without in that purchase so i really applaud that but but like if the if the family guy match three game that i play were on it or whatever sure that's that's about it shall we we move on to the watt ipad next step believe i yeah i don't have much to say about the ipad there i thought i i thought it was interesting they are a utah at the apple pencil one from the first gen ipad ipad pro not the one from the latest janai pat pro that was really the only thing stuck out there everything they're doing thi- peto ass looks interesting but it didn't look groundbreaking the price point was the main news to me christine yeah the same i think the price is great i think that you know last year they said they basically said as much that the the cheapest ipad is the most popular one what's interesting about this is that ah what was it i guess there was an had events in the spring wasn't there when they really the mini showed there was also another kind of older or slightly different style ipod that also use the old apple pencil and so i think that it is interesting that they are continuing to use that older style i assume it's just cheaper premiums make and and and i actually the biggest thing is not the styles itself but is the charging mechanism so yeah i mean i think that if anybody has been using an older ipad for a number of years in once a good replacement that will work really well with patio s this is really nice that they had this available in it'll probably help them even more with you know certain businesses who use them for maybe point of sale or for you know light type of work so yeah i mean i don't have much to say i think it's just it's it's good i think the most of the keynote was fine this is good it is a good price point three hundred twenty nine dollars others it's ten inches good size but exciting it yeah so before we go straight into the apple watch i wanna talk out the research stuff that they did kind of leading up to announcing the series five what what we're what were like christina wage you think of all that i mean the i could relate very personally to the little ad they played about people writing about the apple watch you know impacting their health because i still have to get my results and and and go through all the things with my cardiologist but i was alerted boarded and was able to see that things weren't right with my own body like literally two weeks ago so i think that's really powerful i also looking at i mean when we talk about out like how good the data is i'm kind of interested i had to wear a chest mounted heart monitor for a week and there's they're going to get the data to me and in a couple of weeks i'm i'm hopeful that i'll be able to you it in kind of an ex portable way maybe compare it to when my apple watch data from that same period of time as so to kind of get glimpse of you know how good the the watch is various heart sensors are but no i mean i i think that having access to something like this is undoubtedly good guardless of whether it's truly medical grade or not i think this is for a lot of people even the the original yard doctor i was talking to was kind of marveling at how people can come in so much more informed and can show doctors you know the sinus rhythm and their rates and other information from their device in a way that you just couldn't before and i think that's really powerful and is something that probably doesn't get enough credit in my opinion about the apple watch yeah i'd agree with that i guess when the things that it was interesting to me is working to get mike isaac on the show next week to talk his book super per pumped so i'm working through that and i'm reading about the chapter it gets an uber misuse of data in their bases there and it's it's at the same time the apples cova announcing their research initiatives women to help all of which sounds amazing but it did it did give me some pause because you're talking about and i would just say i trust apple to do the right thing here they've got a great record on privacy it's not just apple to be clear it's also it's also these in these very well renowned very well known universities who this is not the first time they've done how studies including harvard so it's in a so so i don't have any particular worries personally about this it just dig give me some pause thinking about well if you think about it as as we have had more fitbit's napa watches and devices like this out here this is a lot of data that people can have access to was thinking like way if you had to accompany with the ethics of hooper with access to this information we what if they called affected someone's insurance because they're you know they're a heart rate was doing x. y. z. i just it it made me think about how it might be good to have proactive legislation around protecting patient information here yeah i would i would look i think that that already is part of hip i think that that already exists having some more is is you know like laid out in terms of some of the consumer stuff might be good but i mean the thing is the technology is getting better and it's getting smarter and it's getting smaller but a lot of the stuff that's being used has been around for a really long time so you know i understand the concerns part of me thinks though like what we have already seen now this bothers me more than the use of the data but we have already seen is insurance companies giving people discounts or altering their coverage if they use a fitbit or if they use an apple watch watch that i'm actually really opposed to i'm not into that at all i don't like the idea of taking either giving you a cheaper thing because you're gonna use this device because i think that does take one step away from the insurance companies saying we need to see this information to make sure that we continue to ensure you this way you have not down with but i i would hope i mean i'm obviously not a lawyer a policymaker but i think that a lot of the hippo provisions and a lot of the other things that have been built into medical devices for you know over the last a fifteen years or so prohibits that sort of thing that said i mean you bring up a great point i'm also reading the uber right now and it's really excellent but you know i think i think for me actually the bear concern isn't so much what if insurance companies do something with this and this actually is not an apple thing that i'd worried about this is more for broader companies it's what happens if this information gets hacked the change in how are they storing this information and that's i mean i think it's much more abroad on the apple watch but it's something we should think about which is when you have all this personal information about you stored places and i'm not just talking about device data i'm talking about the various systems soms because there's a huge software industry there's a huge price offer industry aimed at modernizing hospitals and doctors offices and if those databases are hacked act the same way that so many other databases hacked that's very different kettle of fish than even losing your social security number your bank account information because you have health information there's there's an extra context and extra nastiness there that that's not like that that's even worse yeah we should definitely set standards for like i assume apple didn't mention this in the keynote i soon they're using differential privacy and strongly analyzing the data before it gets sent out but i it's it's a sidebar the key note that actress scaping some pause did you have any thoughts about that before we moved to apple watch all the main reaction on team paulie gun was on a much more banal banal level so the brightness is okay to things they announced about this watch it hasn't always on display so go into a low light mode or sorry sorry low brightness mode when you're not moving and then up to full brightness when you move your wrist it also i believe has a full i'm looking for the exact stats it's like one thousand knits it gets the display is so incredibly bright and the reaction team polygon was apple hates people bill in movie theaters so the conspiracy is now that apple is launching apple TV plus and it won't don't shut it never turns off to drive people out of movie theaters and make the morning show so they do button um good i'm glad that they thought about that but no that's a good point so yeah so the watch the big features i have to hell in theaters where people don't bother bother to turn on the theater mode oh i've been i have sue and i've probably been that person like i i mean once i realized i'm like oh yeah let me put that mode on but yeah because i had the question myself like the always on display i'm kind of interested in this but the bigger part of me was like can i turn this off and can i do sleep tracking like can i just sleep with my watch i have a fitness credit that i need to use this bits burning running a hole in my pocket but before i buy the watch and in sell my my series four and then probably just give simone my series three still selling that before i do that i wanna read the reviews and and understand better what the differences dances are 'cause like if i weren't literally trying to spend the amount of money for an apple watch from my fitness credit then i it's already late in the air for me to like do other stuff so i'm not going to go to the gym i thought this was the most impressive thing apple announced today so just kind of catch listeners up they have a new display in this akin adjust the hurts of the watch on the fly so all the way down to one if you don't know if you've ever seen heard someone talk out hurts you're kind of you can think of as a shorthand for frame rate so if it's like down to one unhurt it's going to redraw that like once a second so when they're talking doing this is putting an ultra low power state that display which i'm not it i mean i'm sure it saves some battery life i'm not sure how much it would save but i would do a lot yeah because because think about it if if most of your sensors like and i'm sure they play with us but i'm thinking if most of your ola drawings are going to be the same so they're going to remain static and the only thing you might have to update is the second count or or the minute count on some of the displays then that could actually do quite a bit if if you're if you're refresh rate is like one that's her but the bottom line with this like the series three was a good watch the series four was ambig- upgrade i do not run by that series for at all this this looks like i don't think if you bought a series for it's worth upgrading to this i would agree i think if you don't have an apple watch or you have a series three or god god help you series zero start here this is a smart place to go i also think it's worth saying that series three now comes out at one ninety nine pitches yeah it's a great price it's a great price and i think that's really bad gets them solidly into fitbit territory and and mike our honestly like well yeah exactly like that's really great and but yeah i think always on what they're doing there i am looking to the CNN action but yeah i think that that's that's really cool technology to kind of do that we ask you this free as as an apple watch apple watch where i've never been bothered by the lack of always on nope has never come up ever ever okay you guys wanna talk phones yep let's get to it already oh god where did my links go i just had these up oh what a fool i am okay so we've got three new phones here we've got the iphone eleven eleven the iphone eleven pro and the iphone eleven pro max saw during the keynote my co workers submit mitt very cruelly during a moment and i wasn't paying attention said yes it's the iphone eleven tennis max and i for a split second i thought he was being serious and i was like no submit no they didn't they couldn't have named at the ten eleven and thank god it was a joke but i honestly it's not it better i mean i was going to say honestly that the ten eleven at kinda like it better no i'm not i i just i mean i ron eleven and the rock is ten eleven places pro max what what does it mean what it means is funky weird cameras and less exciting colors is the difference i just going to say i think this is ugly apple flagship out oh this is i i tweeted this and it was a very popular tweet ice we did i can't believe i'm about to spend fifteen hundred dollars on this ugly ass phone krista tell me and you're not gonna spend fifteen hundred dollars on this phone no i mean i'm not that i am because i'm gonna just use my afraid like pay horizon and i pray verizon fifty two dollars a month for my current iphone tennis max de and i'm going to continue to pay them fifty dollars a month but instead have an iphone eleven pro max doc i am i mean like yeah i'm not buying this i i'm just not i'm not i'm i'm christina do you remember we first started doing rocket in the apple keynote come out i feel like we had so much those positive to say you about every family it's supposed to be the greatest day of the year life nothing more and i say that with only a slight eight amount of hyperbole and we all know how much i love hyperbole but no i mean i yes i have been there's nothing makes me sadder than the fact that this keynote was boring and that's just it it wasn't cried putting rings here's the thing i think the phones are actually again i said lead my word for this event was fine i think that these phones this is the brain in their comment on the phones that we have now even if that's just in the most basic ways like better camera camera da da it wasn't excitingly presented though and the information that we got wasn't exciting at its its core is just like a this is fine i think the issue is and we've talked about this a lot we're not just at peak iphone peak smartphone where peak all this stuff there's only so much more are you can do and you know putting like a mickey mouse logo on the back is like one thing you know with the camera ray and and i know that there were some people apparently early there's some disorder where if you see like dots out of sequence than like you tripos phobia or something like that people like get like triggered i don't there have been studies that say that's not a real sort i'm sorry if this really does bother you i understand that like it definitely is not the most attractive thing trust me i think this is a very ugly device this but i think we're just at peak phone and there's just only so much you can do and we're just kind of out this place where we're like i've got a controversial canyon on the lens is actually i think it's ugly that i've come full circle to liking it oh yeah i'm sorry my man my problem with it is it's not even flush along the back like i if it was a solid piece of glass on the back with those three lenses inside of it okay maybe maybe i get it but but it's like you've got the glass and then you've got the three camera bump shooting out after that in it's just so here rain wieldy in this whole thing can we talk about the colors on iphone eleven i guess eleven we've got like a pale lavender we've got a mint green we've got a pastel yellow then we've got white black and of course project red and yet i love the purple i love the purple people purple i have plenty of things and that exact shade of purple lilac slash slalom lavender it's good yeah i guess a feminine color but it's not like you know like so hot pink pink it's whatever i like it i just just i think this is a move though right like they really just went all in on the on the colors there's a black and white but like like i mean i'm very pro colors like when they do in our i was really excited by that as well because i think it's fun to have these options even though oh statistically will probably be covered up with the case or stickers or whatever yeah exactly exact- although they're now going to be selling the clear cases for all the devices so i can get an official a okay for i'm from apple but yeah i was into the colors some people didn't like it they were like kind of a lighter more pastel shades that's actually very annoying right now it must very on trend right now so i'm not i'm not mad at it like last year was kind of the bold stuff this year it's it's a it's more pastel ish it it's more tyler the creator i'm down with it like manna just sit well with me to have something as expenses dances expensive as a phone be doing trend colors yeah okay but okay but now we talk about the iphone pro colors right right also though the iphone pro we've got black we've got a space gray we've got white we've got various rose space gray area pro spacecraft ace grades very pro only the most pros at the space grave a forest green and gold this is rose gold okay this this'll i disagreed that's that's gold it's not rose gold i was watching the kino's like christine must be heartbroken right now they they will be okay so our screens which are calibrated identically is i just must be different but you you probably right i'm probably hoping that i'm that this is like more than last year's but because i had several people texting me congratulations when the when the when the gold phone phone was announced at least it's solid gold unlike the eight which is i believe what i have which is just white with our or cream or the tennis max or tennis tennis max which also kind of has this it's this weird kind of like in certain light it looks pinkish and certain light it looks more goldfish getting kind of a mixed thing but yeah i mean this green color a lot of people are really really early into i actually like it yeah it's it's like the some of the most high end porsches come in this exact shade of green so let's through through a racer green in my opinion i know i mean in all honesty you make a very good point free hadn't thought about this because i'm not a car person but i'm married to a car person mo- historically historically i would say that apple's color ways are very much inspired by like car color ways snow yeah this makes sense i like a deep green rather than sort rather than an olive yeah it's it's made subtle it's something i i think you saw it in the right light you'd think it was black or gun metal i i like it this is what apple does well yeah interesting on looking at their iphone eleven and a web page right now literally i would say ninety five percent of the photos that show off the back of the phone shocked the color are up the green which is similar that's i mean that's that's not a communist typically what they do they will take kind of like the other thing i do think it's sort of interesting that that there's not lake like is there a yoga there is a white option white option actually looks really nice yeah i mean i so so just looking at the features for the pro that the differentiation in let's say like the iphone eleven good price point i lost a twitter bet because i was like there's no way this is come in at less in seven hundred fifty dollars does act same way when i was looking at the practices i have a brief correction to issue before we get into the prices which is yes the picture i was looking looking ahead more phones than it there's actually no black or white it's silver in space gray are the two colors and then there's the midnight green midnight green okay and the gold so my apologies for misreading that image at slow k. on rate is yes when i was looking at the full lineup so they're still offering the eights and into the ten are right now and then it goes eleven pro pro max with the eleven starting at six ninety nine and i was i really was shocked and quite i'm not looking at those five altogether where we have the more expensive ones and then the eleven really to me is a well priced phone i yeah it is no no they so they'd raise the price of the tenor and they've lowered this back to what the soul i think the eight and and if you look back i'd have to look back and see the seven prices for and i made i made a comment on twitter that the clearly i think that this this shows that they're gambit of they realized they price themselves out last year so this is very smart like i'm not in the slightest bit surprised by this and the reason i say that i was i was kind of expecting this because i saw so many sales and lower prices on the ten are through carriers through various apple promotions apple doesn't do sales apple doesn't know what prices they obviously do that if they are not moving numbers the way hey there you know operations in a projections are showing that they will and tim cook de apparently you know make a comment that the iphone ten zero is the most popular iphone and so so this is a really good move i also think that a lot of ways when you compare the actual specs in the actual uses of the phone own to me this year feels like you're getting much less obeys step down from the iphone eleven pro to the eleven meals like other than the screen type because you do have now this multi camera thing and you have a lot of these other modes that are going to be doing both things it feels much more comparable in many ways it really does i mean so we're talk at the colors we talked about the camera well is there anything nothing more we need to say there it's it's interesting i like the zoom in it i'm waiting for comparisons to the camera yeah i liked what they showed owed as a person who's kind of unhappy with how mike cameras quality has aged since i got the iphone eight but yeah i think we we got to see it outside of apples else test environment i'd agree with that i mean for me i i have many skills just not a great photographer emma functional photographer but there was something i'm i'm super great at and the the telephoto zoom i could see myself using that other than that it's just not worth fifteen hundred dollars is just not so i think that's that's interesting the face i d being thirty percent quicker quicker that's interesting to me it's again not where fifteen hundred dollars to me personally we've got faster charging that seems great in it'll be great way by next year's phone yeah well i mean how they're doing the fast charging is they're doing a trick that i've actually been doing myself for a while which is they are just giving you you an eighteen watt charger and a lightning two usb three cable hilarious so the good news is you can now use the same aimed charger with your ipad pro and your iphone the bad news is you still have to carry two different cables oh my god that's hilarious really is it really is the better it is hilarious the better news for me is that at least at least you can use the iphone cable that comes in the box with your fifteen hundred dollar iphone with your twenty five hundred dollar macbook so that at least you don't require like you don't have to spend another thirty bucks on on a cable yeah no i think that these look like fine updates this is this is not look i'm getting this obvious okay this is kind of interesting you can connect the two sets of air pods or beats headphones at once oh so you can share music with people yeah that's actually that's pretty great yeah that's actually that's actually helpful really helpful we have a really complicated call time setup were using a facetime to call through the iphone phone on my mac and i have an external XL our microphones set up so that would've made this much easier still not fifteen hundred dollars yeah i think i think more than ever before if you have the tennis max or the ten as- you do not need this new phone there's nothing to this new fund i mean look if you do maybe look if if you are like the director of tangerine who came out phil mc prototype about things and i've actually interviewed that guy before he's great and talk to him about his story about a shooting how he shot you know his first on the iphone and whatnot thousands for solar not but i think there are some really interesting things happening with the photography and with videography stuff i think that's awesome i also think it's a very different different in kind of limited audience than even most what we would call what apple's trying to call users so like again i'm getting the damn thing because because i'm just used to paying fifty dollars a month also i just did the math and i actually wind up doing better by doing the continued like spend been fifty bucks or whatever a month for another year than if i were to buy out my contract trade the phone into apple for credit towards the new that's nuts okay and it's like a thirty dollar difference but still but yeah i'm i don't need this right like this is gonna get it in the title of this episode will still obi christina shaming so do you want to hear about our friends from smile who are bringing this episode of rocket i do yeah they've got a thing called PDF penn eleven it's the little for editing PDF's on the mac you can turn your scanned documents into edible text x with PDF pens built in OCR support you can compare to parts of the same document with split view and you can mark up documents with the scribble tool which sounds really fun or at a inaugurations notes PDF pen pro eleven can automatically turn your documents into fill forms plus export to excel powerpoint are point and more and sharing 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litter this well tell me tell me about the dreamcast what is it i don't know the dream dream cat you ever touched one i can't remember remember remember so in my opinion the dreamcast is i mean it's not better than the nintendo sixty four obviously because that's like that has golden eyes zelda's whatever but like it's it's one of my most loved one of my most favorite game systems of all time and i think when you look at like the failed hannam game systems it is far and away the best they'll game system like it was better i'm just going to say it was better than the PS two on every single level and because sega had no money and it came came out early and playstation such a juggernaut in play damn DVD's which is why so many people bought it to begin with it obviously wasn't gonna win but i loved the dreamcast and and i love this day and i can head weird stuff on it yeah it was awesome i still have mine to the capacitors in mind every very few years and the the plastic is you know it's obviously yellowed after all these years but it is a brand new because i haven't laid it in a really long time so i know the brand new always out i mean can we back up christie give a really interesting story about what you're doing ninety nine so sure do so in the summer of nineteen ninety nine i got my first job was at the electronics boutique or e b games which is now game stop and this was in the mall and i it had the coolest job in the mall working the video game store and i- legit did right and we were all dot dreamcast summer we were doing pre orders we had some demo machines sheen's in the store with seoul caliber on it and we have videos for you know you know NFL touquet the two k. series got it starts on dreamcast and crazy taxi and sonic and all these other games and we were doing pre orders and i was actually so i was sixteen and i was actually in a weird little break from squad switching high schools and so i had a few weeks off and i worked a really really long shifts at the mall selling selling dreamcast and it was i mean i came in at like two or three PM so i missed the morning rush but i was there until after midnight and i'll never forget we took out the roles that were inside of the registers and unrolled them and they went across the entire store and then back some we did something like thirty thousand dollars in sales that day which was crazy also we mentioned i mentioned this last year but originally final fancy eight was also supposed to come out on nine ninety nine a and and that's where pushed it up i think to the seventh we're where we got the shipments on the seventh or the eighth so it was originally supposed to be out the same day so i in the in the weeks leading up to dreamcast i was on the phone with so many damn people having to call me like hey this christina from the electric's boutique just to remind you that you're preorder of final fantasy eight for playstation station will be in this is available or will be coming out or just remind you you know you put down a twenty dollar for dreamcast and we're going to have them in the store i mean it was nuts like there were so many people in that store and the lines went like crazy and like the mall closed nine but we didn't we didn't leave i mean i think that we probably we didn't weren't able to kick people out until probably nine forty five because we still had transactions to to run out and other stuff because it was complicated like you had we had a certain number of systems that came in we had enough to cover a reorders and a lot of our reserves and then we actually wound up with one extra that i got to buy but i hadn't pre-ordered i'd kind of like i don't i'm not going to did you this foam oh but we had people you know but we also had games and then we accelerate is like a lot of people had ordered stuff and what was interesting was there were a few accessories that came came out that sega either cancelled or discontinued or whatever but it's still managed to get shipped to the store so the keyboard was one of those so the big thing dreamcast it was the very i internet connected console it had a built in fifty six k modem can we can we just one second day yeah that's hard to overstate how critical that was this game shipped shipped with fantasy star online if you've played like online games like halo online XP LA with automatic matchmaking this this is the system that really broke that in the console for example and in fact there are there there have been reports because the base of the operating system that the dreamcast mm cast us was microsoft windows ce and there've been there's microsoft worked with them on some of that stuff and then clearly learned from that with xbox but yeah so it had a built in modem and you could get a keyboard for it so you could actually browse the web play there was this great called typing of the dead i leveque aim to shooter game but instead of shooting you're using your keyboard they also had interesting controllers there was a bass fishing controller that would be used with the the sega bass fishing game and there was an an and it had a you know like the real on the side and it would get tight and rumble so when you would you know fish and so you know as as the as the fishes pulling on your line there you have resistance there was also originally going to be for some of the games there was like a light gun and then seek a cancel the light gun because online which was a few months earlier we still got them to the store so i still have have one what your law monday no i know why no i have one of the official like unreleased like sega like things but anyway but he was just there were so many people people were so so excited this was back when we were still doing bits so this was the first one hundred twenty eight bit system but more than that they weren't using DVD they're using this called GD rom which were technically cds but they're like a thousand they were smaller than than than DVD's but they were larger than cds and in fact later on when it became really easy to pirate games on the dreamcast cast you could over burn your cds to fill up a standard cd rom to hold most of what would be an GD bomb but it was this weird like disc format which kind of hurt it they had memory cards the same way that you know the in sixty four in the playstation and the saturn dead but this time it had an LCD little troll rain controller and in fact like you could do little games there's this game seaman which was just as bananas game and you could control your cement unlike your little comment on the memory pack there had that with sonic to with the anti cow cow things for the chow chow how d did he say something like that show which show you things and it would show you things like on it because it had like this little LLC black and white LCD display it would show you like your health health or like your power and whatnot it was basically kind of like a really early kind of hud sorta display i mean this system was so innovative for its time it was so good the graphics were amazing zane and the news just say it was very clear this was their last shot the saturn had failed spectacularly they were run out of money they released the dreamcast in japan and it did well and they brought it up to the US and in playstation i think it already announced the PS becoming the next year the jab is that they had this window and in my opinion some of the best games of that generation came out for dreamcast but it just didn't last but that day i will never forget it was so magical magical working in such a long shift being so young and then at the end when we closed and we realized that we had an extra one and that was probably one of my i like moments of doing the very typical christina thing which is a half omo for the apple watch because i didn't buy it and then i wind up buying it you know after swearing i wouldn't have and and that was it yes sorry going i just wanted to say a thing or two of the dreamcast 'cause this is a system that's really really special to me you know one of my favorite games of all time space channel five yeah for this it's a rhythm game it's it's so freaking amazing it's got style beyond belief and and if you feel about my art work and my my video game development work i think you can just see how huge an influence this game was on may one day my my dream is to get the space channel license from sega introduced a part three this was the kind of odd game that the dreamcast ask just excelled at putting out you had that you'd see man you radio or get jets at radio so much style defined genre genre you have uneven sports game kind of person now they're both amazing the game series they brought in realistic commentary oh in a win realistic graphics in a way that actually brought me those were the first sports games i ever played the actually enjoys same and honestly booze were mean it's hard to remember this now but like the madden in the NBA series like eighty was such a juggernaut that nobody else had even tried and they were competitive of and especially when they came out to the other consoles crazy taxi a great driving in seoul council taxi amazing so caliber house of the dead or like import and you shouldn't do john nra defining shed mia was a game where you could every single drawer oh talk to anyone any day of the street it'd be december twenty fifth it would be safe austria this oh that's so silly i love of it oh oh is it it was groundbreaking breaking yes it was and it was great and nobody else was doing that fantasy star online like you said completely defining of online games virtual tennis still in my opinion the best tennis game and dennis test franchise ever one of the best sports games of all time even the port they did a word of tony hawkes pro skater which also came out in september ninety nine they did a few months later to playstation or to drink asked and i feel like that is still like the definitive edited version of the original tony hawk pro skater because the graphics were better the sound was a little bit better and the controls were still fantastic yeah i mean it's just i love the rim uncast yeah i do too so bottom line today's nine nine ninety nine we want honored the dreamcast and also found fifty eight came out there's fantastic remastered on switch she should play right now simone i know before we in the show a new year plain control and they've listened christine and i- in revenue actually you know whatever we end the show i have to tell you that the subset of rocket is brought to you by zapping your growing business is hard especially when you're spending hours every day moving data from emails to spreadsheets to wherever else wouldn't it be easy if all these things worked together other without you lifting a finger zap here is the easiest way to automate your work it connects all your business offer in handel's work for you so so that you can focus on the 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while like also really great endorsement for american express because i don't know of chaser chaser citibank or other people would have been anyway but what did ask you this what did you think that anna's like in game was with all of us like you think that she really wanted to do her soho house knock off and eventually go straight like a lot of cars claim they wanna do or do you think that she was just kind of like aimlessly trying to prolong the rift as long as possible label both i think she really did want to do the art foundation i think she was very serious about that she was like her lawyer said really trying to get until she could make it i don't think if ana worked to pull it off say she got the transmissions house and open to the anna delvin foundation and it was everything she said it would be i don't think she would have reached a point where she said this is enough for me and i'm going to doc stop cutting corners and manipulating everybody around me like that's just not who she is she's machiavellian she'd be looking for the next thing she'd be expanding you know i i do think she desperately wanted to be a part of the art business fashion you know international scene whenever that one like the world was breaking breaking to sort of undermine she desperately wanted to be a part of and i think that was true yeah and what's interesting is that it seems like for a time she's sort of was is accepted by that crowd but there were an end this was in i mean you talk to some of these people and they they said oh we may know the family but it seemed like there were people who did figure out in her car that you know that she was full of shit she wasn't really rich but they didn't really talk to one another right like what do you have any maybe inside into y k p some people clearly i mean she was really good at what she didn't chavez the committed fraud but there were some people who were part of the scene who are legitimately wealthy who can tell when like i didn't grow up you know i grew up like upper middle class like i don't know this type of thing but i could imagine that if you're somebody who really does have a private jet you can smell when somebody's not not you and there are you know it kind of clicked with them and they stopped hanging out with her why do you think that i guess whisper network didn't get wider that i wish it had the i you know i think if this particular type of prime there's a lot of shame around than people are sometimes in embarrassed to say that they've been fooled even if it was to some small degree i think a lot of people may have had her their houses are hosted her i don't know somehow even briefly given her some degree of liberty and then when they realized their mistake maybe just back away quietly i'm not i'm not i'm not sure i don't actually no no no i think that makes sense i was just curious because it seems he's like you know she wanted to be part of that world and she was kind of on the periphery she wasn't quite but she was on the periphery i do have to say i don't think she ever would have been accepted fully by that world would would do you have the opinion i think that she would like even if she hadn't been caught when she was even if she'd been able to continue getting like four gene a wires and whatnot i don't think that the upper echelon like art crowd would ever have accepted her i don't know i i ah part of me agrees with you because i know her as what she is now but at the same time like i did work at vanity fair i was around people like that you know i booked photographers prefers the fairground parties i certainly arranged a lot of photo shoots with people who are young in doing these ambitious projects or more established people who have art gallery reason or doing interesting things in the art and fashion and cultural world i i'm i'm a little torn if if anna had been what she pretended to be and had just been young and figuring it out and maybe she could've like money can't buy you yup she was smart i guess though about knowing that the transactional value of things you just didn't really understand substance which i guess probably would have brought her down in the end anyhow oh yeah no i look i get the sense that maybe like she would have been able to again like appropriate but she didn't have because she really have the upbringing went on she was just so like she was just so surface that if it if it got to the point where people could dig close sir i don't necessarily know if they would have been able to like call me like you're fraud i just don't know she's been accepted and i think i agree with you yeah they're parts of this book that have not made reporting get or at least a reporting i saw saw in i wanted to ask you the best part of the book i thought other within the girl beat down was the you're you're kind of turning into you like a detective rachel yeah you're scheming with the police in your texting police to try to to basically get her arrested tested she's she's claiming she's in rehab you know you have your own suspicions that she's there to gripped on people with addictions i've to say someone that's been to rehab that made me very angry the thought that because it it's only seems in character what was that was that i mean wasted light cut text the police lisa be like hey of trying to arrest this person like off i think after thank you i think after i like saying two months so short but the the way that time felt felt so long like i got back from marrakech on may nineteenth and the frying pan an intervention that you're talking about happened on august first that span of time between those dates was the longest hardest part of my life so far it it just and it felt kafka esque felt like the ground was moving beneath me i couldn't figure out how to make forward progress it couldn't come up with any solutions that made sense and even knowing that anna was a liar and knowing that there was a problem i couldn't find anything to do about it because i i tried lawyers thai police i kept trying to look for a way forward hope by the time i got the DA's office and realized all this information i've been collecting just to make sense of this puzzle might be useful for an investigation it just felt like i'd finally he found my people on like what i had was set suddenly going to be useful and that the the problem was bigger than even just me and that's when i started to write because one one really realizing the person i'd spent so much time with was not at all what i thought i thought you know i just replayed every scene and i needed to get it out of my head but i didn't know what was going to be helpful to them and i just really desperately wanted to stay proactive and to feel like i was doing something because i felt so powerless for so long yes yeah no it's not like i i didn't i it kind of feels like at that point it sort of happened fast because i had been working so hard for so long in suddenly it clicked then i just wanted to give them what i could stay in touch so i didn't have a lot of slow time to to think it over until it got close to be arrested and then i really grappled with whether or not i wanted to the redistricting in somebody else's you know incarceration and the judicial process and i thought carefully about what that meant but at this point to she's you've you've had to come to terms that she's not the person you thought she was she's put you in a really pat position i think too i mean and i and i think it's incredible what you did to to to write it down to help you know the the the police and and and really just chronicle this whole thing do you think that like the one thing that that i guess the big sister in me that came out as and i totally understand the impulse but but like you you didn't tell your parents for a really long time you kept this inside for a really long time do you think that part of why maybe you say it went really fast that finally you're able to talk about it and you were almost able to kinda like get what it felt like reading the book like you were in your head nonstop about this this was nonstop anxiety and then finally a it's out there in the open and you're like okay i can i can publicly in some ways like did this out and and and work with people who know about the office it's not a secret anymore yes i do think to some extent i again though at this point i was keeping such small footprint because anna was still out there in the world when i i obviously had trust issues coming especially when she was still you know like not an custody so i didn't i told my parents as you mentioned but i didn't really tell so many other people i think the main thing that allowed it to go fast at that point was even though it was the worst case scenario for me finding out that she was a con artist and had no money it was also the most solid piece of information i'd hadn't so long it was the one thing that made sense of everything so it gave me a weird sense of closure yeah never nowhere yes i could be more decisive in my actions i i knew this was the path now it wasn't so ambiguous and hard hard to figure out what to do i have one i have one thing in a when i get to and then we can close out but we talked a little bit about this before we started the interview i wanted to talk a little bit about the way that anna and the case in general were portrayed and proceed from the public i'm in the forward right that you understand the fascination with anna and why the stories appealing and interesting and obviously your perspective is really different and brian i both admittedly our perspectives on the story i think are very different now that we have read your book doc and get a sense of what you went through but i wanted to say i want to find out if you have any thoughts about why the public perception of what happened which like i fully admit like i did in the opening is a perception that i had until reading your book why that perception which is almost one of celebration rather than discuss like why do you think there's this disconnect act with this story about where almost people are almost rooting for her versus like the reality is like she even if it wasn't your obviously the one victim i think people apple can feel for because you're an individual like i don't think anybody cares about the bank i don't think anybody cares about the w or the hotels you're somebody can put a face on but even if you take it outside of that like she he was a liar yet as cultural that we have instagram accounts and she was almost being celebrated jovi thoughts on why that disconnect in the perception and kind of the reality exists in this case because it's interesting to me that i can't think of other scam cases where the the con artist is almost celebrated and i think in some cases is celebrated i think because i think a superficial read of this story is that a young female was taking advantage of financial financial institutions like banks and hedge funds and rich people so automatically there's this underdog sort of dynamic which isn't necessarily an accurate representation tation of what was happening but i think it's one that's the easiest to gospel until and of course you know in looking at it from that vantage point i i think it's easier to just sort of me modify it to some degree and to and to think that it's okay to just root for anna also she does have this sort of weird boldness you're looking at the accounts created based on what she warren court she's entertaining but i do think it's important to take a more serious look at at the nuanced important like impact impact of her behavior and what it means for young younger people looking at her two or any there's so much she's definitely a symptom of her time MC looking at like the cash me outside girl or yeah it just it's it's sort of this like democratization of weird celebrity internet culture culture where lake the louder your personality is the work following you accrue and like i i don't know i don't have the answers i see i see the problem but i i can barely describe it i just i just think it's it's a superficial read and it it takes a lot of work to actually look more deeply into something sometimes it's easier easier to just be amused what is i think you and i probably have something in common in the fact like i've had people play the worst moments in my life life on TV you're going to have that happen to you at this HBO thing what is it i i know it's like for me but what is it like to have the hardest thing you've ever gone through kind of played as public entertainment like what what does that feel like for the why was it feel like for you so people can know that yeah i think on one hand to some degree with my book at least it's the thing i'm trying to focus on i've gotten gotten such overwhelming support and upgraded so many positive connections through sharing my story that i feel like i've definitely done the right thing when there are harder times i feel like i'm misunderstood or i'm not seeing that you know people are responding to something that wasn't what happened in the story kind of takes on a life of its own i just have to remind myself that's not me and that's not this story and people will see what they need to see in this and i hope it serves them but at a certain point i have to just step back and remember member who i am and i'm really grateful to have such solid support systems my life with my family and my friends and like they know me and you know i think it's good to just sort of focus on what i can and can't control and remember who i am and know that it makes sense please at least don't listen to i feel like we're all friends now please listen episodes of rocket where we're kind of this story there's there's no there was streto rejoicing but but genuinely if i can be honest i think part of the reason was because at that point we didn't know like we knew you had a book deal we didn't know that the dead had been forgiven but it felt like oh you know everybody's okay the only people who are really hurt here are the banks wchs and think about your book is it really does give a sense of like the personal like toll it takes and so i'm really glad you wrote and i'm like i read it because as i was definitely the kind of flippant thing it was like okay this is a ridiculous thing you everything worked out all right like a jury probably felt that way too but i ah what i will say you know people have asked me looking at where i am now a talking on podcasts turned you know whatever it is am i grateful this happened in my view i m mm-hmm hell no like this and this this two month friendship that you know really wreaked havoc on my life for the two years that followed it was so hard and i had to work so hard not just to like keep my head above water every little thing you now to find my way out of it and then to figure out how to write a book to write a book like it was all so much work i'm so proud of it but it wasn't because of anna is like i loved ones you kept me from falling off a cliff like i you know it wasn't easy and i'm certainly proud and grateful for the opportunities i've had had but i would never say it was worth it and you should be proud you should be proud and honestly you really should be an and i think that i always thought that criticism of anybody like you know the the the defense tried to be kind of ood belittle in court saying will you have the book deal you have the option okay who cares anna has has book deals options to write like obviously like just because you know you're able to get it's something out of this doesn't mean that as you said that it was worth everything you went through and suffering isn't a all or nothing thing like you know just because bad things happen though doesn't mean that the good things can't happen as well as that you can't find your own strengthen that so you should be proud of yourself i mean are the public will try to find something at the public at least for me and gamer guy who's like the public tries to find something to critique you over you find yourself herself constantly on the defense over the choices you made and you know it's it's just so bizarre when people like look for this dark meaning like this horrible thing to happen to you like it's a gift you're happy or just because you got to give because it doesn't kill you right right like you should be grateful and not move on with your life a have you talked the shawna rhymes people i know it's a competing project but had they reached out to you like what's what's the gos- on that if you can say anything because we loved the fire festival a duly documentary drama and obviously that's that's gonna happen here to how have you been in contact with them middle no i haven't and that is kind of what i say in response to that just that there can be two projects than i don't actually i may be the only one but i don't really think of them as being in competition i'm either on the same project as anna feels really healthy to me but i think that there are certainly many facets facets to this story and i think they'll probably support each other in diff- in you know however whatever way but no i haven't and i'm excited i i'm nervous but i'm excited to see how both of them unfold yeah us too because honestly again like that was the great thing about the fire festival was like you know what we got to really a piece of content out of it and hopefully this is something especially knowing that you've been able to get your truth out in that you have your thing on record i think makes me feel a little bit better about enjoying whatever for what we know is going to be a completely fictionalized version perspective i feel that i'm really gotta have the book out now and we can see what happens from here so what are you doing now and how's your life post anna life post anna well i've had a lot of different things change over the past year most importantly considering my day to day life is that i was laid off in february which is actually was a godsend ahead to finish the book and i don't know how he would have managed at all it was hard enough escaping my full time job while i went through this but since then the book has really been a fulltime job and i'm still enjoying doing at least some press mostly slee every day i'm excited to get quieter maybe kind of soon and then i will kind of regroup before i figure out what comes next because vanity fair was my first professional professional chapter and i was there for almost nine years and i just don't know i i i just need a second i think to sort of figure that out that's you're gonna be fine i serve it honestly if you if you had the opportunity to take a breather you you deserve at like do that yeah i do do it for very long but i'm gonna do it again for just a second well thank you for writing this book i hope you'll accept my apology for laughing at the store whereas you fit tastic book ever own a rocket go buy it i listen to on an audible the narrations amazing adding go go get this book you'll enjoy as much as we did yes you for coming on it was wonderful talking to you guys thank you so much for having me that was the second part of our interview with rachel williams thank you racial for joining us now back to rocket where we are going to finish up the week ryu christina what have you been doing this week well i have been doing some work i was in portland for exo exo and i actually saw a number of rocket listeners there were several people with shirts which was amazing since since we haven't sold shirts in years we should really get back on that and i was able to see our friend kevin again who we send our to our our van and in he gave me a great button and i saw some other people it was just really nice had a really good time and now i'm just kind of a settling in getting some works to figure it out i would love to go to exile access some day it sounds like a very fun cool time you got to play with the plate right oh my got to play with a plate i'm trying to get cable or stephen on to talk about i loved it it was so fun it was so whimsical everything i wanted out of it so i nice about that in depth and another show but yeah the was awesome cool chris brianna is your name what about you yes uh-huh what am i doing this week oh gosh what am i doing this week we are working to shut down a gun store that that is trying to open in my town and my lawyer working husband through all the town regulations and found some ways at this gun store which is gonna be selling assault weapons right next to a playground is actually violating our towns parking zoning ordinances how to go present that to the zoning board tomorrow night to try to shut this down in back channel so wish me luck on that data that grants rats that's great it's like trying to take down the the mob with tax returns so does my god well let's say this week i i am going into the second weekend of performances of the play in that i am stage managing the first weekend went really really well going to knock on wood really quick the second weekend weekend goes just as well 'cause it was just absolutely fantastic and i'm really proud to be a part of this whole thing so hey if you are in new york city you can go to event bright and get tickets for toilets and cressida at the center of west park and i would love it if you did you can use the offer code h i d i o t s twenty nineteen hits twenty nineteen a to get the ticket for twenty bucks so yo why not do it catcher said said the entire cast of this looks like it looks like you clone simone and gave her a bunch of awesome sisters like do this play like ever there i just i haven't seen it but just the pictures it's like yeah i would completely hang out with discussed it's great because my fans on tumbler ambler found they did find they have seen the post that i put publicly on instagram of and so there are so the actors found some very fantastic posted on tumbler that they are fortunately delighted by to the tune of bench me hector witnessed which frankly same okay all right so that's what i'm doing this week hey christina where can we find you online well you can find me on film underscore girl on the instagram's and the twitter's and people have commented on how much they like even though they talk about how much they like my instagram stories of the who worse so i'm going to try to like vinyl those and put those together in like a saved moment thing for people to relive if you want to relive the ridiculousness of of the toronto hotel room with the heated floors and i can i can remember those good times to and you can also foam underscore girl on twitter and you can find the stuff that i do at work at youtube dot com slash microsoft developer nice and you can find brianna online at a place brianna oriana tell us where you can find me 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192. Travis Alabanza #2 - If the world did not gender us so violently - Part 2

Made Of Human with Sofie Hagen

58:21 min | 5 months ago

192. Travis Alabanza #2 - If the world did not gender us so violently - Part 2

"I only want to talk if I feel like people in a generous mood to listen. Generous listening means that we understand someone is coming from a place of context coming from a place of nuance coming from a place of understanding their own ability to be wrong coming from a place they wanna be good. You know I was like science behind high. Only one seems out to people that are coming to you. Listening to made of human also known as the mole pod. Podcast hosted fight so fi shake and who is a Danish comedian? Aw Eighth Oh welcome. Back to the second part of the Benza chat that I have if you have not listened to last week's episode which was part one you might want to go back and give it. Listen I highly recommend skipping past what is it for hours just ramble and ramble and ramble with nowhere to go all? If that's what you're in Sioux than do listen to it. I'M IN A. I've been listening to a Lotta podcasts. And because of this isolation I mean I say this bill. I'm the which by the way in the future the concepts of this episode this Mitts mid pandemic. This was recorded. I think on day. Twenty something of the lockdown Recording this a bit later inside now for thirty five to six seven no lost count a month over a month and Of now starts it. I've already texted one X. of course I have. I've already taken boots and send them to consenting people of course Developed new crushes Old Body you can really you know just just just just a normal sort of stuff and One of the things I did was I so dumb I went back in time and listen to not a recent but like within the last year episode where my another another ex was interviewed and it was the most frustrating thing. I was ten years younger than I am now when I dated him and he was ten years older than me and I tell him I mean this could not going to make me sound good but I would. I would sell him. What was wrong with him? You know I'd be like Oh you do this because of this thing in your life and I'm pretty sure that your parents Thing would has made you do this thing and it was. It was very obvious is kind of easy to read on his it was. I remember being like listen these issues. If you WANNA work on Blah Blah Blah anyways listening to this episode ten years later and it was just him going. I've recently learned that. I think that maybe because of my parents doing this. That's probably the reason why just in my kitchen screaming like you think you think of that just occur to you ten years after a twenty year old told you and that's that's my isolation it's screen at someone. I've not spoken to for seven years but I'm I don't know if I was expecting him to go. I don't know why I listen. But sometimes do listen to podcasts. Weather guests someone. I've met with data and I don't know. I think this egotistical part of me. That's like what if they mentioned me? It's so toxic. I don't know why I do it. I I did hook up with someone who was a big. Putt CAST END. Like a weekly wants this so many episodes. I'm not sold them but when I do listen because it's also a good one. I don't care if he's going to say that we made out but sometimes they'll be like but they talk about. I'm like you mentioned like how do you not think of like I must have popped into your head? You know when they're like. Oh Yeah. The Edinburgh Fringe Festival. He must be thinking. The last time I was there. I made up with Sophie. Hey Oh is that in Denmark. Something happening you know they bring up an ugly must. Be Thinking about me now. Why are you not mentioning me? Why would because that's what I would do like if I if I made out with someone from you know what when someone mentioned the only thing I can think of is oh my best friend was Polish. You know if anyone mentions. I'd be like oh I slept with a guy liked. It's not normal at maybe. It's not normal. I don't know I just want to be mentioned. I just I want credit while tell you this. I shouldn't be saying this whole thing of how I can say without going to be very vague because it's very easy to trace I have a colleague who Wanted to do a specific job. That would have been very very very very diff ed but I happen to know someone within that job so I spent hours trying to help him. He was a lot more successful than famous than me at but also just like a nice a nice guy so I was and I was like here on the email addresses. I introduced him to people. I put so much work in so now say good luck. I hope you get it all those things. And he did and I saw him build and the contacts and so have seeing him religious bloom and then I heard him on a podcast. At even though we've not even out oh halfway know. Did we feel like we we? I think we're almost out of the point anyways and the host asked him so you got this job and he said Yeah I just I just worked really hard one. I didn't I started over from scratch and like with no help whatsoever and I sat. I don't even remember that when I was a center but I was just like you. You Hugh what's so angry. I'm a Scorpio. I carry grudges. I'm Scott I'm a double Scorpio. I was furious and that is not a big deal. But it's like why would you? Why why would you not say it you know? I think also like I'm famous. I'm not you mentioning. My name is not going to give me anything that you don't already have an. I wasn't ending on saying any of that very proud of how I didn't immediately say his name and called him and asked you all to go and unfunny him everywhere and before you before you tweet me and say who is it. I'm not obviously my plan isn't going to give him another couple of years to acknowledge what I did. I'm still waiting for me to run into him and this is my plan. My pen is to be hug and then When he talked you like Oh yeah. I heard that you did that. with no help is that saturated that went note. Just no no help. Is that because that's just what I I hear that no one hell and I'm GonNa do that until he apologizes. And if he doesn't his name burn all the bridges it's not like there's a company industry anymore so all I once got a really bad review from a wasn't really bad but it wasn't as good as Beulah and that wasn't even the problem. The problem was that his review set all the wrong things about my show. It was like it's about her. Uncle Dying significant about my grandfather dying. What and it was. He was mixing up characters and it was just if for a month. I was planning on what to say when I would run into him and I was like I'm going. I'm going to walk up to him and then I'm going to say. Oh my God you should come see my show. And then he was going to say oh I actually already saw it and then I oh because I read the review and it really sounded like you didn't see it and then bomb. It was going to be the biggest It was going to be so good but fortunately I When I did run into him I was Held back because my friends care about me and Care ABOUT ME NOT RUINING MIND. Cya career just because I was born in November so wow that was a long ramble. House long ramble. I don't even really be a nearing the two hundred two hundred episode and I will think of something fun to do for that thing is going to just be like a cue neighborhood won't take the place of It won't take the place of regular episodes. That'll something and I think I just want to answer some of your questions and about the puck past and anything else you WanNa talk about. So it's just you know I won't charge for it unpatriotic anything like an extra little thing all the first guest on again. Because I think Josie long was the first episode but she was not the first guest. I interviewed I think that was I. The RISHARD GAD or Joan BISKUPIC RIGHT OUT ANYWAYS. I will not let you listen to the second part of my wonderful conversation with the wonderful travis. Allah Benza Burgas. What did you have to prepare psychologically to do it? What's it because I again the trauma? You said the drama that people containing the people you know projecting all their feelings onto you and all of that. What was the where you ready to do it when you did it will when it was in happy. Shy Room in the house. I was tightly renting. It felt like I was like yeah. This is exactly what I was made to do. And those are the best ones the best where it was like right one hundred people every night magnequench quickly will people have been fun Everyone's coming really generous. It was still of this that we put it off work. I think it was when it came back and Benny sizes when increasing also felt like Eiffel It was but I will receive. Two farewelled is conscious at elitist. So they don't see happening showroom in East London in a White House as the same credit as the Travis. You know standard will come back congestion. Southbound can that's what I was like. Oh everyone has a different kind of audience coming and I did pass that but after the first day I knew I was gonNA after so The Bugaboo extols and I was like you know normally I spoke some orange dyson pissing some an open. The door and I heard at once gray habits in like the indy cool way over the age of sixty. Hey right right so so I had to do some quick so quick. Some quick preparations Also at the same time you know I was being targeted by tests quite aggressively not just online publicly. But at this time they will also turning events leaping stickers on again. This is stuff that we didn't at the time one to publish before I might add fuel to it but so at the same time you know. We're having to send out emails every single bit of its contract to what Crevasse with what to do in case. This is happening what to do when this is happening. What do these people come out coming up with strategy so it was a lot you know and at the same time is also responding to when you up big venues in sunny audience? Say The gender neutral toilets That also so now. All of that is well So ascending that so it was about it was Everyone else bought me. It felt like and then I just went into. I think I went into pure ecstasy for the hour. I do shove and then when the allison edge I put myself into everything other than what so I just didn't think about it and I just really was like. I love Danish shove. Enjoy the hour when it finishes shrine. Just look out So that's why didn't really read reviews until you know. I saw the stars and I saw that they were good. I didn't read any of them until the end. Division Bra at just tried to block out and now I think what I'm making new wasn't amid live. Who knows if that will be seen when I was in the middle of writing some new shines and I think that's when I'm realized in the recipe was buggers. I'm realizing Has Nothing to do with the topic's about is but I'm an old west still have some emotional effects from doing that show at that time because clearly. I'm about certain choices I'm making. This work will thinking whereas in bugs I wasn't I wasn't worried about what would happen amend. I found myself planning. These shows audience not snow. How about this so yeah so when you blocked things out was that was that you not letting things come in a would you pushing already existing feelings away. That will then come up later. I think I thought it was the for us. But it's actually Malaka. I think you know it was conflicting because I might cherie the sound so Kuni thankfully but like X. rains also coming true Bekker's united. I've always dreamed and I realize how specific my dream was and it sounds like dream Next like nothing doing as performing before I dreamed of having like a toll manager the shopping south dumbing news. Santa Garo having your pets too like all of that on the work in good so it was his comfort of like this is happening whilst night dream is her name like a dream to guard. Edinburgh fringe sounds wild. Some James Movies but like literally was like this is just announced via conspire bottle up. And it's taken me a bit. Wait wait to get there. But I wanted to be that but when that's happening at the same time as will these things that you didn't predict when you're younger of course you won't have to dream for this of anti-china silence of the specifics of racism in Always Saints and so when those things will open up I think is John. Kennedy's because I'm trying to just enjoy wipe away out. Let me just how efforts and so that you continue to do it because I knew that after all have planned new this year I be touring internationally. Lau so I was like you can't say too much rallies insight still doing the show when the show finished his. Maybe I'm what I'm writing now. The show is on pool was I think it's again this just like crystal clear of some of these things only happened. Because you are ex- winds at identity and not just have to sit with that because it's just sat there like if you would not this. Maybe this action would be different if you want any. It sounds like if you seen as a man and address. I think that's what it's really coming down to. I think Trans is too vague for me. I'm seen as when I just seen as a Mannan adjusts name that now. You know. That's what's happening to once. Seen as a black man in address these things wouldn't be happening when you're on stage and I think because we already have a really complicated relationship assess people to feminity on stage to blackness on Stage two black men on stage when you were then a person represents feminity and being viewed as a black man and the stage. Of course. These things are going to happen so I think it's or that shit really like how can you simultaneously thing kind of Manon address and think that misogyny doesn't exist towards me whilst also only talking about why wearing in all of my reviews as if that's not like one. Oh One misogyny so yeah those that with those feelings that you had to push down and then they would they the ones you mentioned that a now coming up when you're writing in New York 'cause I'm writing and I'm going. Oh Shit but how is this gonNA? How is this going to be affected by games? It's not something I've ever for about it. Have you seen bugs? You know I was really thinking about a fearful way. I'm thinking about Great System Angie this but you know some of the weapon planning doesn't just involve me now. It's going to have lots of people on stage. All is his this Getting me a bit in Manhattan. Sometimes when I'm writing it you know I'm like I have got the strength to do that when again you know. Yeah so that'd be as yeah. There was some questions and is that the the sort of fear or the worry of the things you have to think about in terms of that is that physical safety psychological. Safety isn't disappointing. Last physical you know because I do think fear like The Times on those suspected protesters Luciano's right. Well fuck it. I'm not gonNA physically deeming. I think it's more because back to About like when you know in house someone's not really seeing you and can you do that again for another year on toll when your whole show is the point is that you want people to see is kind of a piece of what those guys like you see me. And that's why when it walked up so good people getting it and then when got really stopped. Shilpa STOMACH SHIT. You just walk for an hour. No one else you know. It was a dot. Doc US some questions in the new welcome making about how to move away from confessional how to move away from her. How to provide the With something else doing these different things. I don't know if I'm ready to go here. I am on stage for that. You know I ask and I might be completely wrong and if I am fine. Is there something so set at Uso? Finding yourself more now again. Well no obviously we all know more and more who we add as she has especially people who have to question it all the time. It says something about the you did you would now be showing an audience is now more you than the one you show befall. Does that make sense like if they do see you now they would really see you all kind of that and then kinds of like. I feel like the mean now is so clear more clear that I'm uncertain about what that means me. I'd be showing would be like out in this weird thing of knowing whereas I think that was true with the last spree is that I came up. This unabashed confidence like this is who I am. Mrs Why because I think I have to you know you know I'm not mad? Know this I know that but I think I had to have to tell people like no. You can't misjudge Jimmy now you do this. You can't do that too then everything else whereas I now may be no. It's been five years of making walking public I now. They don't miss. Gender is not unanimous. They got back. What you what you actually have to back and then it's like I say maybe it's not. My Shit was cancelled. I didn't figure it out. And is that part of so that I can relate to it? That is the way. And we've talked about this privately before a bit in sense of social justice and Political Blah Blah and all the anti oppression stuff The more like what has happened to me since then is that. I think I'm I'm still in same. Devil UPDIKE RADICAL BUT. I'm beginning to more and more understand that nothing is simple and that very often you can't really put in something into a two hundred forty characters statement the everything has caveats and everything needs to be just for the context and you know and then that means my anger has subsided a lot and that's less sort of what people would call militant about it but that also means that now when I say something about something. I don't feel confident unless I put it into this very vague context of like but also what do I know and also I know I don't know enough yet and also this might have to do with this other thing and I don't you know and then everything becomes less clear in this hot a to put things out there because you don't want to say anything wrong but you also know that the isn't necessarily a right. Yeah Yeah Yeah definitely like I see my mind I think why then trying do think is I like. I only want to talk if I feel like people are being generous arena. Generous made listen. I think generous listening means that we understand that someone is coming from place of context coming from a place of nuance coming from a place of understanding their own ability to be wrong coming from a place that they want to be good. You know science back. I only one seems out to people who are coming to me. Generosity not allowed me to be clear when I say something because I cannot do. Those caveats can go. I'm just saying this and if someone goes I'm not okay. Cool to the DACA Joss because I think I still don't want to live in place I think again we're speaking about nine Fucking suspending spending fucking time online by just like me trying to deal with too often snaps much screen time down and now you know I think online is genesis. Two people generous to our ideas. I think it used to be. I think the Internet had weighs in mind. I learned the most from the Internet. But wherever I've landed in now I think I just need to find another spot online. It's generous and that's not me saying on the baseline of like council culture. All of those things like Manila as you were saying that the audience is done through January. Feels like will weigh in for someone to be wrong rather than understanding the community like good. Feminism good solidarity is about helping people grow together right you know there's a reason the UK ended this election. This election. Problem happened as a reason that we're seeing a surge of foul. Rai is a reason when not connecting. Dos John Stott tangents. I've faced solving students long Catholic. What was that about okay? It was about right so I'm not I'm still with us. I'm just not clear about one nine. That's why you'll come captions. Now you'll see that not not saying things. I'm not a chance to lead system things at the moment again. This might change allows a change but still in my personal life with my friends at my house but I just think I'm online and yet it was like a five pack and a copy accompli up. I caught me because we conversation. How do I tell people the same in the same breath you're doing? These pitchforks with me is the same energy. I think leads to people being imprisoned. How do I say that? Yes when I mentioned At self-isolation to solitary confinement. I'm not saying it's the same thing but I'm actually saying that. We need to think about prisons in this moment because you're using prisons is a metaphor in writings. But let's actually in about prison justice. How do I say the same energy? You're canceling the celebrities. If one graphs and saying Ben Sings Inferences sang cancel culture but will then condemn loads of people to prison in online. And stuff like that. Same thing concept. That will such a San podcasts. Instead while can run away from it and that's no comments. I feel your feelings That's the thing about passing and books. I feel a morse a safest basis than all social media an people who really hate it has to be arena specific type of psychopath to read a whole book. Alternates to hope that guys. If you've made it this foreign hate me lease pass onto my access. Because maybe they would have stayed around. So if you've been on your hated Scusi therapies may let up both of us just like why killing your life with hefty things. That's such a shame. Carrington off the PUCK cousin businesses. Something you'd like having a manager downstairs you can talk to that. Can you speak to the manager of the podcasting please? Speaking of things being Fluid hidden uncertain and fun changeable in south of gender. We've not even really touched upon that. What's happened since since the since two thousand eighteen? No say I'll say one thing that's happened. Which is was that last New Year. Must've been and is around us Came out in. I'm still not really. We're officially out but we just sent it everywhere. Just not make the post I left you. I imagine this rambling voicemail and the new one back and it was just the most meaningful amazing thing to happen to me and I was so grateful that you with that to be like. Hey Hey hey. Hey it's fine. Sit Down Breath and I was like I don't know what if I'm not I think what if I'm not no binary I have not I. Well no not a woman. But I'm also not just so lovely that was segment backgammon across. Because I remember the voice. No that was my exact. I was like I was impressed. Maya Amini I'm digging out still. I think I happy way. More physical discomfort with myself than I have in a while so I'm trying to figure out what that looks like to me. What change and I'm at. That's been for a while About speaking about it more openly the end of the two thousand nine so I think that some physical changes. I'M GONNA I'm just trying to figure out what will apply what they'll be time for them. Phil Athem oil on buffeted by words. People use to describe Magenta anymore. I feel like I'm I'm trying. I shouldn't need to time. Conversations Migraine is. I'm not come thinking about a year with everyone. Like I think will quote with me as five years and RUN ONLINE CLEVELAND. Address and me guiding. Well fuck it. Whatever I know what I am whereas before I was fighting for language a lot more than I am now. I think Yeah I'm more just interested in walk to do to pass the myself with gender in less interested in explaining talking about it with people. So yeah you're ready to talk about like now while I think that's I think that is talking about it and that's kind of where it is. Now that will be a still trying to figure out But I think the I think the I don't WanNa be. It was as funny thing where I'd imagined myself in my seventies and I wasn't imagining gender. I was imagining like career and family and friends and Mark Levin than I like looked in the mirror of my problem I was like. Oh okay okay. I tried doing that a couple times and I was like okay. The same images coming up some work to do so. Yeah I think I just know. I think it's complicated for me because my fairy is this when failure impractical really foxing. I'm such a very girl you know allows me to even try and keep out from Kambakhsh. Don't WanNa be a wine a day. Really love it. You know much about AIDS and I know that these changes I wanNA make only coming because the world doesn't see me as how I see myself inside. I know that these changes I wanNA make a night. Changes die wanted to make. They've developed over years of people not seeing me as Georgia says I think and so when I dress up duties times in look in the mirror. Wow I could look at my life and then I go outside and I'm quoting another transparent like is like all what I'm Mind in a way that you know holds feminine enough in mind now or someone noticed this out you. You'd like to keep it naturally points to obey. I thought it was covered. Then I'm like Shit my rally in my fancy is not the same and I think these changes. I'm learning that just because I'm not making the changes from an innate. I knew I always wanted this month and more. I want people to see me how I see myself. I think that is you know what has changed for Bait talks. You're not can make so much sense and it also opens up to this I kinda WanNa tie it together with something about control. Isn't that a train really desperately wanting to control like I said at once on stage in the middle of a work in progress I haven't said it since onstage. It just came out of me and I was like is accept what it is as speaking in speaking. I was being so frustrated and how I was like. No one was actually listening to me. Goes Italy onstage? Saying I hate woohoo feminism. I hate the whole yet. You know like a bunch of white people saying yes queen. I don't say don't shout at my shows to me and I was like talking about this and that was still being in an eventually has set something like the only reason. I want to lose weight so that people take me seriously as a fat activist out. You know what? That's it isn't like fuck you the only way you're GonNa take seriously believe in what I say and give me just a benefit of the doubt. Assume the what I'm saying is true if I'm lost weight than it's up which is so fucked up and how I wanNA live and I don't want to compare that to you because it's obviously a different thing but there is a those emotions behind it of like okay. What do I need to do to be to be listened to right? Yeah and to be I think to alleviate this foyer but I think the conversation around destroyer as two different types of that and I think we only have a talk about it. As if we're all feeling this internal an icee. No for me Thing I think destroy. It is a state in suing the state of gender the oppression the system agenda have caused disorder is not something I was born with I was given disloyal and so I go period on that. And that is you know how many said. I wouldn't say here. We got percent in a sense where some people in the community outside the community really want about head with main but what again it comes down to holding this. Some people can have one expense. Applicant can have enough some. It might not be bad but for me. That is very clear. The destroyer was given to me by them and actually if the wound did not gender us so violently if the world was not so obsessed with gentleness that every single moment if the world was not success with altering how they treat us because of the gender they assume we are. The world was out so obsessed with literally deciding on gender source of war allowed to talk and then ignoring us when we do tool than who knows if period so when they then go to the changes in asking well. What's the evidence that says that you need this? I tell them since I was seven. I knew that And of course I keep it moving but deep down. I think it's an understanding that these changes might came someone else but you know what might those people are still going to be nine ten years on holding off because it's not this night paying them one of my holding off actually like. I know the doing some of these things might make me feel better. They might not you. Not that I think aqap might around Khan so yeah all of this to say I'M GONNA get my teeth fly into the next few years. I just don't want people to make a big thing out of these class. No changes I'm choosing tonight align myself with my genital. Thank you get ten of influence a deal where you could this old thing. I will be dying my hat breach on during this time and I just need. You should know it was sanctions thing. If it goes wrong you decided to still be pink. Society made me have thinking. That's how I gave me another. I'M GONNA listen to this factor in the in the moment legal community point quoted. Sounds in it has the risk of listening by gun you want. That's what this is about wasn't gonNA say on. I'll have a question I don't want to. I'm so upset how I changed perception wise like myself possibly hunter tonight. You'll you'll Like from the two thousand eighteen to do so now knowing me a good move. How did this interview approach change? What's like what like finding what what was that. Something you wanted to find out. That was different to last time in finding out Into that kind of I I just. I'm just interested like from two thousand eighteen now to about Kalikim cut change But what do you think is like well because I feel like I've started I? That was the first time it was the first time you met right. You know and I didn't know you at all and I didn't really know what to expect didn't know that much about you so. I'm not sure if what I've witnessed has been you changing or just me getting to know you better so I think that's what I assume this is travis. Oh No I was wanting this is travis instead of thinking that do any different because also and then I saw your show last year in the. Oh now I know you BETTA. Yeah I feel like trying to think back to these I just. I can't handle the accent. I can't think should I shouldn't really be speaking in public. It'd be speaking public for awhile. Thank God oh Jesus I have loved is seeing and I don't know if that's is a change what is so one of the most valuable things about your What you've said about gender and the thing of allowing it to be fluid and allowing it to be changing and which I also think blends in with Social Justice Blah Blah Blah activism in general. This thing of a now allow change allow growth allow space and have a generous mind about it. I think that is the I think what I initially thought about. You said you were a lot more. What's the word for like? This is what it is period not. Yeah and which I which I also relate to the way I've been feeling about things from an excellent point of view and from that point of view you know I would. I would very much be the person who would say Well if you are on a diet and you're fat. You're a traitor. You know that sort of thing you're taking so saint jokey way but it's a joke when now I'm much more calm about stuff like that and sense of gender swell nut mole sort of knowing myself to say I don't know and I can't explain it and I'm not gonNA come out but also I'm not going to not say that I'm do now so I don't know if that's a change in u of you've always or if you've had that before I met you but yeah you could. I've got lots of puzzlement. Man is while I was definitely proven wrong in the last two years like wrong. There's no question about you which is wrong babe and come. I think that made me go. Yeah maybe like. This is a K. This okay and I love it loud being not wrong. Wow sock you'd unloads being wrong. doesn't mean people don't get hurt for me being wrong and that's something you've got to figure out but you do learn being wrong and. I think it's made me be a bit K with that feeling. Just start. What the thing that really. I feel like I'm saying this. The wanting really starting about the fence and said is how much mench Song much like requires creating like realizing it was the joke that was making you las engaged on the audience so I was quite a I was very much wanting to impress everyone that day including you. I'm like you know I was thinking by comedian. Actually never invited me to do things and I am funny. Maybe this is GonNa be my instinct. This is the world and will 'cause I must mention was just starting. I was trying to overstate how much I was doing it clearly from into you can see but one thing now the APP you over that known as many as we he showed me. It's like how someone was. Sangley things about being beyond binary sangle these things about not being men women could understand the complexities nuance. Genita- was being so binary in other ways of thinking my own life my own opinions of my south mainly I was like. I'm glad now John. Batchelor good Habits do you think someone. I thought you mentioned Krizner. Bet you think someone who goes to prisoners About person she does that is now. So why are you being? So Binary about into this. That and I think that's being you know if I can think genders complicated than Finance I want to ask questions about that. This one is. How do you feel about those moments in therapy when they're just saying something and you're like shit? Oh No I was pulled some say you win. And she hasn't like you know it's not a competition like I'm joking me again. Like what was a junk to it back and go and then they take it seriously and you know. I'm joking non. Judging the car I could not joking. Also know encouraging. Us of mine doesn't do that but she she's Jaman so I'll do a job she'll go. That's funny I like. That's good enough but not the encouragement I take that. Yes when you get them to. Lassos off well. I am happy at first but then I go like immediately. I'm not how about obviously I can make enough. I'm good at this net. Why she laughing and then I think less of her when she laughing like of causing funny like stop laughing up being so easy to impress. My other question would be about therapy. Still a therapy session tomorrow. I'm that was yeah. Wednesday afternoon never never took on Wednesday nights of obesity in this Hokkaido finger. I was like Shit. I'm going to still got afforded I've been able to. He's also lexa while behalf. It's also interesting again. It's this new thing when I was starting. It's what I wanted to talk about and now I'm actually likes to come in and do it and that's kind of that's why is you know it's really Whereas when I first started I didn't say who are now at Mike Okay again. It's made after the what the Phoenix crowd of this back. Again I think it's again causing Maybe a year you WANNA. You'll know what you're squeamish about. Consensual relationship with fat wet. Feels like he is just being Mister totten. Every week. I know for a fact that there will be people listening. You Know Baby Baby Trans Baby activists baby all these things Queer and they'll be like. Where do you find therapists wet safe with all of these? You know it depends if your baby in salt also baby on birth certificate in like if you're still under twenty times on there's lots of great things that you can. I know of I really recommend jetted intelligence even if you feel too old for the youth group Kendall Intelligence ended intelligence. Even if some people go 'cause they might go too old to be poverty group but because if you're under twenty five hundred you can still access services. They have great Chances to like people that are trained at the entrance or trained in social work. Whatever but they can also then sometimes too great either. Trans Fat Transparency Fastest. I'm I always recognizes Thanks Nasr Online and in Person Directory. Lgbt people of color that have a whole team Metro charring do Affordable sliding scale sometimes even free Therapy sessions ten sessions. I think don't quote me on that I know it's definitely like maybe five something Sometimes they do it for settled on time and that algebra yet I would say that like all cases against benefits baby in mind or actually birth. But like if you're under twenty five I would say that actually like I know that there's a lot of conversation right beside about class. Emphatically access would say again testing. If way it is five I can say something wrong. W. by Megan wrong on the swim one however I think sometimes yes. Money is an issue that sometimes said we need to take account that money can also be an issue at the same time. It's also just not wanting to get too fat because we're waiting choosing and deciding to go and yes. Some fat is expensive but actually the LGBT people that Onnell's resources to be able to find places in the U K I don't know how slash To find access to algebra counseling therapists choke widows that say that really cool online could misery aid um which is ran by a collective of Queer and Trans people of color and they of Jimmy Pandemic hosting like Soga Pawn ease in nightclubs. Which sounds like miserable but actually looks like having Liza from easing yet? me clocking. How could anything was that? That's a different podcast day now online. That really since growing is a place that really open line. They just talk like US online. Check in chat with other translate with color. They have lots of like amazing chats with like trained therapists of Sources doing the lights around mental health in a way that doesn't feel some mental health things online console very like get out of bad. Why and you've done what you need to do today. Like a healthy and I'm seeing with misery pie is really taking serious queer and Trans of Color House. Actually advice we give out is important if we don't when we do. We WanNA push you we. WanNa push to go away. You actually WANNA go. It's everything you do is right. It's like let's actually talk about these things and so I would say misery pies any questions. People of any age Doing incredible. I'm not she like gas by the Majesty Ness so gushing. I'm going to tell them that when I hang up on this one and I just think that didn't quite stop. Rico'S AMAZING BRILLIANT. Abigail asking you the the extra questions for the patron the lefty patrons. When is the last question that I was asking? The puck? Now have after this before but it was two years ago and It was live and we didn't really know each other and things may change or maybe they happen so In the delivery room and you have just been bone but you also you now holding yourself as a baby and little tiny travis was just in the womb but everything was lovely and warm and quiet and they're like Oh this is nice and then suddenly the Bonn and Whoa as lights and sounds like doctors. And it's it's horrible and then you take them into your arms and your light. Hi and Little Baby Travis is looking at you like what the fuck is this. Is this what life's GonNa be like lights and sounds it's horrible? It's just what the resume live is going to be. You know what's going to happen from then on sale now in your life Everything will still happen the same way. And you know it's GonNa be lights and sounds but it won't be lights and sounds it will be people throwing things at you in the street and abuse laws. Love your beautiful moments like you know everything that's going to happen to this baby and you can't change anything. Whatever you tell little baby won't change anything you can. Just maybe reassure them. I'll tell them what's going to happen. Because that's all they WANNA know they'll forget it straight after. What would you say to teeny tiny baby? You trust your South Godson freaking Konate reading. That's the thing that came to me. Just say trust in yourself and trusting your instincts and decisions. Because you'll really get it. You'll be good. It would also I would say to you now that I fought this whole time. You're GONNA ask me the Westlife question. This whole bill. Isn't this the West? Listen TO SOMEBODY WESTLIFE COMING UP. And then he was when I was like yeah I would say this question. Westlife Westlife just gave birth to you. What was that song? Would you sing to your baby self the I would. I think I would say because the world's diet cells but you gotta try to south and do you still need to that. Yes Oh my God. Thank you for doing this. Why can people find you stuff you know? I know nothing absolutely Hagen you can find out West but also you know actually fuck it these times school certificate being. You can buy buggers nine if you just wanted to bike. She wanted to support me. My pay thousand now fucking instagram. Which is a big change for me Guy From engine and if you'll rich only if you like some people I'm reading some people have got fucking money. Wow Yeah you'll get a donation that's like two pounds and some will say I just wanted to support you but this is all I have. And you're like Oh my God you're the kindest passes so not see you when when you know that there are people who just spent like. Fed Grand on nothing on. Could you give me those static rag on my fucking how? I didn't really realize how rich some people every day people are that you think it's only celebs likes rich. People walking among us and I would smell a certain way but they even stole that from us well. I think we should give donate donate anything. Yeah doing this. I'm going to ask you the extra questions in tiny bit but thank you for doing this. Maine. Maine's nephew mall law a massive massive thing of being Mike Guests and talking to me for so long I enjoyed every second of it and I know I know you listen. I know you did sue. Of course it because I am so grateful. Tau Travels in my life. I'm so grateful I'm so so grateful now Of course going and sweet them and thank them full for doing this and And tell them you love them and follow them and all of those things I did I did I just figured out during that episode Why I ramble so much in these introductions. It's because the recording software that I usually use to record. These is bothersome. Reason have changed and I. 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Those Are Some Romantic Songs

Bob and Sheri

1:32:37 hr | 1 year ago

Those Are Some Romantic Songs

"Now, let the show begin. It's the Bob and Sheri show, south finance an funny actually funny with Baugh, students, constantly irksome and Sherry. And now broadcasting from the police chal Bob and Sheri studios, is Bob and Sherri, you know, must be great to be a rich celebrity, but there are certain things that go along with the fame that must be so irritating, if you're a regular person, and let's say you were with someone for multiple years. Right. And maybe you got married or maybe you just stated. But anyway, you were a couple. There was a thing, and then you meet somebody else, and this is the love of your life. And this is the you're going to be with. But every once in a while the X. Somehow gets into the situation, we've got kids together, or still friendly with people both new or whatever it is. And it's your your your current is is saying, I understand everybody has an axe. But in a she really irritates me, or he really irritates me and you have to deal with, that, it must be really annoying. If you're a celebrity, and you can't even go to a new stand, or a supermarket without seeing some tabloid tie your ex to you with solid wacky ass story. Brad Pitt is the is the poster boy for this? You know, Brad, sending love notes secretly to Jen, you know, it must be really hard to because, you know, another thing about what you're talking about when you're the next person in that man's life for that woman's life and his access. Jennifer aniston. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Her axes is Ryan Reynolds. That's right. And everywhere you go. So you're dating you're, you're the you're married to Alanis. Morissette wasn't. She engaged Ronalds. Yeah. And everywhere you go. You're seeing does Ryan still love Lantis as that's what I'm saying be hard for you, as the new guy in the Justin Bieber is married now. Oh, the underwriting Gomez thing, you know, was was there, a text sent by Selena Gomez that drove who's married to? Haley Baldwin ri- driving Haley crazy. I mean, maybe there was I don't know. But it just must be a pain in the neck that it's right there in front of your face. You know, and for the whole world to see it's not loading around. I mean, it's hard enough the average person to have to deal with Xs but to have it as part of the national, or worldwide conversation must be just really annoys some entertainment reporter was shouting out at Selena Gomez like month or so ago Selena. Do you still think? Justin loves you. Now. He's married. I know it's so inappropriate like they want they want to get a really bad photo of her. It want to get a photo of her grimacing. But the, the idea is to inflict as much pain as possible on Selena on Justin on Haley. Did you hear what she said about social media? The other actually, I've read, there was a whole article about does she's in a new movie with Bill Murray called the dead don't die. Oh, is that right? Cans films. I can't wait to see because I love Bill Murray anyway, anyway, she's in this movie. And as part of doing press for this movie she talked about how social media has been tear. Her words were it's been terrible for my generation. She was on Instagram. She has a hundred and fifty million followers. I think wasn't she the number one most followed person in the world for awhile. I yeah. Has she been bounced from Schramm baby? She still is. So obviously, she has made probably a lot of money off of social media. But here's what she said at the cans film, festival, quote. My generation is not aware of the news or anything going on. It's selfish. I don't wanna say selfish because it feels rude, but it's dangerous for sure. I think our world is going through a lot, obviously. But for my generation specifically social media has been terrible, and she goes on to say, take a break. It can be great and moments social media, it can be great in moments. But I would. Just be careful and allow yourself some time limits, where you should use it and then not use it. I think that's a very reflective interesting. Look at social media and her generation, my older daughter, deleted her social media accounts from her phone. She did her so a few her like she has an Instagram that's still out there and active. She deleted it from her phone, why. Because she felt like it was adding stress Soros life. And she already was so stressed out about school and exams and college applications and all of that. And she felt that it was just not good for her that those were her words, she has said, it's not good for me. So. That is doesn't added it back in that's self awareness. That's really good. What, what Selena is saying is, it's taking up so much time of a certain generations, taking up so much time. You're so invested that you're missing what is going on in the world? And it's important for, I think for us to pay somewhat of tension as to where wars are, and where, you know, we stand his nation with different issues. But if you're all caught up in, you know, he said she said this, and that and your word that you weren't invited to a party and it's on Instagram. Now, you know. There's only so much you can think about Selena Gomez said that when she meets whim young women fans at meet and greet events. And they all wanna talk to her about how their lives are destroyed by bullying. And how. Yeah. And so she, she said, I really think about that. And I try to post things that are positive. Intentional. Would you like to know who the top Instagram followed? People are. Yeah. We've got Taylor swift at number nine, Kylie Jenner at has one hundred twenty one million beyond say, then Kim Kardashian, Wayne Johnson. That's a little surprised. Yeah. Ariana GRANDE day Selena Gomez. And the number one is actually Cristiano Rinaldo, who's a soccer player. Yeah. Yeah. He has one hundred and forty eight million Selena only has one hundred forty four point five million into this now of scientists teachers puts all show business sports. I mean it's people think about it. You may be a brilliant scientists, but how are people gonna find you Christian Aldo right through? But I thought that was a really really important and brave thing. I did too. And I cannot wait to see this movie Bill Murray was asked him as part of the same press store. Do you believe in life after death and he said, I do but not for everyone, I'll see some of you, some of you I won't. It's Bob and Sheri, get the new Bob and Sheri at instantly get the podcast and odd cast for you know, in a minute, I'm going to tell you something about why your mother is gonna live forever. And then I want you to imagine you were married to me. Okay. And I'll give you a specific situation. And then you tell me whether or not you'll be. Barest be with me. All right. Here's why your mother was gonna live forever. They just did a study and found out that very neat people are much happier healthier. They have a better self image. They have a better love life, everything in their life is better than a person who is really messy. So I'm never going to inherit an. Doesn't look like it super clean people. Love their job. They are happier with their love life with their relationships with people messy people are almost twice, as likely to be stressed out in general. What do you think that is? I mean when you think if, if you're living in kind of the messy lifestyle, your agile, here's why. Because I think that mess and disorder makes makes you have to work harder to just do everyday stuff like keep track of your car keys. You think so electric Bill and the dog leash? So it's, so it's not just the mindset like I'm not going to stress out that the counters clean before I go to bed. It's fine gun is going to be there when it goes up the more I you know, I live with the mayor of it's five o'clock somewhere. He is very, very relaxed. Right. And he seems a lot calmer and happier than than me on most as in the freak, not at all. Not at all is the opposite. In fact, we had. He's, he's my point. I pointed out to him that when the toilet paper is gone, and all you're left with us, the cardboard tube. The cardboard tube has no legs and can't leave the bathroom on its own. And that for eleven years, I've been wondering in and picking up empty cardboard tubes. Now you all know that this summer. I'm switching my family over to a basket of corn. Cops because of this. And he said to me, what do you mean secure? No. When you know the empty toilet paper to where do you think those go? He said, I don't understand like, I pick them up and put them in the recycling again. And he goes really Bob. This is eleven years Juno that I have a Levin years, he hasn't thought about that. I have my own bathroom this is getting very personal, but I have my own bathroom. And I've, I've got like a little wicker basket. And I just abide like a on an of some toilet paper throat in that, right? Yeah. They all know and they're always running out, and they hit my all of a sudden I go in there. There's nothing there. It's like I'm a little store. You are. You're the commissary, so the getting back to the story, the five things that messy people spilled, the most are coffee soft drinks wine oil, butter and Greece and than ice cream. Would you be embarrassed with me? If you were my wolf sounding dinner at my does when I when I go to a casual Italian restaurant, as I've, I've wiped. Out so many shirts with oil that I go gangster style now and I'll take the cloth napkin and I put it in top of my shirt. Now I'm from I don't have a problem with that. I'm fine. I'm going to kind of looks like you know, I'm, I'm Guido in with the mob from a nineteen sixties mummifying. I don't have a thing about stains on clothes. Yeah, I'm more irritated. What did you name your intestinal? Parasite. What did he call in Andy? I'm more irritated that you could shovel down a giant sized plate of pasta with your tapeworm dandy. I don't care if you have a napkin around your neck, a bucket on your head all them focus on, is how much you eat. And never gave does it really have a tapeworm. No, I don't put if I did have called me. What is that irritates? You don't don't you want me to be able to be happy. It is a loaded question. Visit your local Certa retailer today and save up to six hundred dollars on select Certa icomfort sets at the Memorial Day, instant savings event. Not just sorta comfortable Serta, comfortable offer me very busy, your retailer on Certa dot com for details. It's bonded cherry Morris the news coming up in just a bit here. Everybody loves Bill Murray, and Bill Murray, love certain people to like co-stars. He fell in love. And when I say fell in love he just really liked Miley Cyrus when they did a very Murray Christmas special, but she might have to move over, because he also loves Selena Gomez, billon, Selena rat. Cans promoting their news on beef flick. The dead don't die. I'll tell you what he said about her and a really funny commercialized saw. But let's listen to the trailer for the zombie movie in this peaceful town. These quiet streets, something terrifying. Something horrifying. His coming, excuse me. We're close. A while this is really awful. Maybe the worst thing I've ever seen. So what do you think? I'm thinking obvious. It's called the dead DOE tie. And he said of Selena. She's unusually bright. I really like her. She's kind and she's natural. I'm always pleased to find some kind of pop icon, who I really like like Miley, Cyrus a dig her. They're really their own people. They have enormous followings, and they are sort of singing their own songs, which is cool. I think it's really, really nice that embraces. You know, these these girls that are, you know, not of his generation can there be any greater endorsement than that of the Nari speaking of endorsements. I was watching him on a commercial for. He has a clothing company William Murray, golf wear. Right. And it's tight shot of Bill Murray on the golf course. And he's got a card and a pencil, and he's talking to himself and he's going. Let's see from the UN's into the fairway one, then pushed it into the woods to into the bunker, three in the bunker again, four unto the green five and a two. Putt. So that's a five. Anybody's ever played with that guy. Or maybe at one time or another, if we're going to be honest, we've all been that guy if you play golf because you. So wanna break ninety or eighty or whatever it is that you go, you know, that shouldn't have happened. That's why people love him because he just is. So he's the everyday guy who's a cool movie star, one of my favorite Bill Murray memes of all time was somebody had a picture of him it, and they Memed it, and it said, I was in Wendy's eating when Bill Murray, walked up to me took a French fry off my trae. Eight it and said, no one will ever believe you. The only time we. It's funny the only time we've ever had him on the show was he was on his way to a golf tournament in a limo. Yeah. Call carlson. Maybe you're. Yeah. Somewhere. Was on a tee? And we had somebody go out and interview him on the right before he the teebox. My husband loves him. Bill Murray is living his life, the way he he wants. He gave an interview and he was asked, like, how is it Bill Murray that you're just so chill? And he said, here's why because nothing matters nothing matters. So if the movie bombs of movies, very good, it's not gonna be the end of his career yet. Your, your picnic got rained out matter. There's, you know that is a good way to look at it. If it's easy to say, once you've accomplished a lot, once your bills are all getting. Is that matters that does matter? But all the stuff that we just grind ourselves into the ground over. Look, if you can, you name five things that were really stressing you out last month, five minor things that we're really stressing you out last month. Listen, my daughter got married, we're going to be talking about it last weekend, and we're gonna talk about, she's, she's finally given me permission to, to talk about it because I wanted to be able to talk about it after I had a picture. And I got the father daughter dance do that in about an hour. I felt like I was dealing with a celebrity. I was like I just posted. In fact, I posted something on Facebook, a low Alejo is there a picture that's been approved distribution on the Bob. And Sheri shaves Bush's got a video. They're putting together. She's just she's not a bri-. She wasn't a bridezilla, but she controlled everything, including how much I talk about it. And also to be fair since she was a little girl. She's been very private like she did not want talking about her on the show. That's true. So I had people asking me yesterday. Day. What are we going to see pictures of alley? Like listen. I haven't been able to show you pictures of alley since she was eight. So I did post something today that was approved and they'll be more coming up a little bit of the Bill Murray. If you wanna hear it, he was at that time, he was promoting a movie called the man who knew too little. Welcome. A golf game these days I love watching you on TV. Tricky early here because the Advil hasn't kicked in yet. Do you give advice to people celebrities like Michael Jordan, you play with Tiger Woods? Do they give you advice? What's it like playing with these guys? Mostly about close. Billboard attached. People out on the golf course won't need to do Carl from Caddyshack. People had a spiritual emotional connection with Carl. Important actually Carl is out there. You know. Most people have met him. Gopher covers on your woods I do. I played golf Saturday and a guy said to me. Hey, did you see Caddyshack? And the other guy said, yeah, it was on. I don't know what, what network USA it's like the golfers. I mean guys do characters out of that movie it must every guy thinks he can do Carl. I know. And everybody. When they go to. Got another movie coming up Dutch. The man who knew too little what is that about about a guy who? Brother. Get rhythm for the nine cents into this. Get them just got a business dinner and Ethan. Three peter. It turns out. It's not three theater. Go. He gets involved in real trouble. Lines what you asked. News. And it's the next Bob and Sheri. Individuals. Share your more. It's morons in the news. There's a forty year old man named Brian Petur in forest road, Oregon back in March. She called nine one one to report that somebody had broken into his house spot with him and stole the seven hundred dollars his daughter made selling girl scout cookies when the cops got there. The house was trashed and Brian was a bloody mess. They took him to the hospital, and they searched for the burglar could not find anyone eventually Brian confessed. What really happened was this, he'd stolen his daughter's girl scout cookie money to pay for an erotic massage. Then he staged the break in and I guess he beat himself up anyway. Just took a plea deal. Let guilty to initiating a false report. He got eighteen months of probation, eighty hours of community service in one hundred dollar fine. See the billionaire gets caught doing it and nothing happens. What? Would have so much compassion, if he'd stolen the girl scout cookie money because he has an addiction because that is a disease, but to take the money for the. Go get erotic massage. There's some skis ball karma common your way. But just hope his daughter doesn't know all the details. You know, wouldn't be an awful thing for a daughter to have to carry forever on the internet. Well, that's true too. All right. Let's go to today's more of the day. The New York City. Police department has used a photograph of the actor Woody Harrelson to help attempt to help identify a beer thief. Looks like Woody Harrelson. Here's what happened the security footage that they had of the thief was so pixellated, but they couldn't get a match, but it looked a lot like three time Academy Award winning actor, Oscar nominee, Woody Harrelson. So they put the Woodyear Elson picture into the computer and it returned possible multiple possible matches and led to an arrest kidding. It actually work. Yeah. About that. Because that's there, there aren't that many guys that could look like Woody Harrelson. He's, you know, obviously he's balding. But he's got a such a strong handsome face. That's how they weren't that. Many. If you want to see this text the word, moron, two eight two six two seven four three seven we'll send it right to your phone. Eight fifty one year old woman name, Rachel Newbury was arrested in Landau lakes, Florida. We're getting a lot of lot of them out of their Friday for violating her probation. The cops didn't find anything during a Pat down, but when they took her to jail the guards found he was hiding thirteen restriction drug pills in her cleavage. So she was charged with two felonies illegal possession of a controlled substance. And introducing narcotics to detention facility. She told the jailers she forgot to mention that she had the pills Inver cleavage. I can't times that's happened. There's like an animal in their stuff stored there need to while it. Right. And finally, a British restaurant made a terrible mistake they were having a really busy night, and they accidentally served a five thousand seven hundred sixty dollar bottle of wine to a couple that had ordered something else, how much five thousand seven hundred and sixty dollars, it's a two thousand one shut tone Pam Hummer all wonder how it was the couple. I hope I hope they enjoyed it. The fifty seven hundred dollar bottle of one of the. Are you hiring with indeed? You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates it an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash heart. It's bobbin Sherry, so my daughter Allie was married over the weekend, last weekend, very happy wonderful ceremony, but one hundred ten people, and she has given me the okay to describe it talk about, and even post one picture, she's waiting for the other pictures to come in from the photographer and video, which I wanna post also so about thirty minutes. I'll give you the. Like the Royal baby always been. So private were never allowed to talk about her own show, and we had to have the embargo lifted go look at the picture. I just posted it on the Bob and Sheri Facebook, the father, daughter dance and speaking of weddings and love and romance maximum tied got together and decided that they would they would vote on their own personal most romantic songs by decade. And they have prepared this for us or you ready. So let's start shall we in the nineteen sixties with the, the two songs that top believer, the most romantic. One of my all time. Favorite song. Also Paul McCartney's favored each moisture. Is the he acknowledges young going to keep going? It's none of this. I won't be able to breathe or anything he's going, it's just not going to. It's not going to be good. There's a surprising honest, too. And now, the other song that max Todd believe is the single most romantic song of the nineteen sixties. Tell me about this song did I read that this song was released and was like a worldwide hit, like six seconds later, wasn't it really fast? I know is really. I know it was it was a hit twice once was in the early sixties, and then he did a TV special in the late sixties, and it became a hit, again, the song, Elvis did not like to sing slow songs be alive because the crowd did not respond except to this, this one was almost always. The nineteen sixties right there beach boys song, elephants saw, we move it up to this. Seventies with their first pick for the most romantic song of the decade. So wait, he didn't write this James Taylor, did not write this. Hit with Marvin. Gaye. He covered James Taylor covered. No. I didn't know that this wasn't a James Harrison, Marvin Gaye, real jazzy, sort of version, actually, feel the piano. Out of the blue does seventies. Choice. It's unusual choice, but it's a really nice. Love the idea of the two of them called up on the couch together sharing crocheted Afghan and debating with each other, what the most romantic songs of each decade. I thought you were talking about Carly Simon and James. They hate each other doing the breakup song, come in somewhere. What's the second guys picked? Yeah. So. Absolutely hates it when I pull out, one of my songs the play at a party except if it's algorithm because he's just such a sexy. This has a lot in common with God only knows surrealistic song. Here's what he's saying. That's right. All right. What's up next? We're gonna jump to the eighties. With the suit slogan wed, and a freight train gonna do the middle. Choice. Tell me why you'd pick this. This more Todd's choice in a was mine. I don't I don't know if I see this as a romantic song, it's but a man who is, you know, you think it's romantic. I know you don't wanna have a man be on fire. Bad day, just say elicit. Romance doesn't mean that it's not a romance. You're doing time. I would like to have that this song about an illicit Roman. Yeah. Is your daddy home? She's asking her husband. That. That's what I was gonna say what he asked when I heard the words is your daddy home? I thought it was like an actual father. It's a different daddy Steen, isn't so literal. All right. That sounds good. All right. What's the second one? I'm sorry, daddy's at home security system. Mr. Daddy. Keep it down. Thought he was referring to. So which one of you picked this one, I like this, this is a great tourist aid. Together. That's right. That's exactly right. All right. Some more coming your way. Sherry three bobbin, Sherry instantly. Get the podcast, the cast and Bob and Sheri fund size. All right. Maxon tied on put together their favorite romantic songs by decade worked, our way up to the nineteen nineties. Here we go. Whitney did you? The just announced a hologram of Whitton is going to be going on tour. You know how I feel about grams touring? I like it. Who else is toward a hologram? Thinking about doing? Amy wine-house Bowie, I think Elvis, ROY orbison. Is that right? Keep moving. No matter how sick of the Titanic thing you are. How do you argue with this Choi? He's to the nineties. Is that right? Bad. I love this song. I love that movie. But I felt bad for poor. Jack Leonardo DiCaprio up singing the heart goes on. He's like, I'm I'm in the I'm in the bottom of the ocean. You too. We were the first person right after that movie came from you, and I together to say that door that could have gotten over. What's that? What's that? There is no scaping this song for like a year. And what's the other nineteen nineties choice? Two thousand yet match. One more decade for run out of time two thousand ten. We love this song, and I have seen this performed a dance competitions a thousand. The Andy grammer song we did with the school kids, New York. She doesn't version of this, we'll have to find, but she does a version with it. That's really cool. And what's the funnel? Is it every wedding everywhere? What was the toughest decade to find a romantic song? It seemed like the seven. The one that we were kind of trying to struggle. And I'm sure somebody's somebody's in their current shutting out. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's always. Choice. Do these objectives? From what you were talking about and what you selected that, like the eight was the total eighties was tough. Because it got it seems to me at least with choices of became these has the two thousand. Art version of this song pitcher did with Andre Celli. I've heard it where he where he sings, Ed Sheeran sings in Italian in it's just amazing Pacelli just belts. Oh man. That's great. Great churches richer. I love this song. And I think I'm surprised this wasn't a alleys wedding probably was section. We are family was there, though. Until. Her grandmother ninety one years old and talk about the wedding come in state. Maksim tight. I can't wait to hear y'all's breakup. Us. Tonight. The free bobbin Sheri and instantly get the podcast, the I'm cast and Bob and Sheri fund size daughter early is married. I, I never thought I'd say those words, but I did. She was married on Hilton Head island over the weekend, and she's now giving me permission to post a picture. And the picture is up, and it is the father daughter dance. And it's very, very sweet. It's, it's a shot that Mary took. And I looked over as I was dancing with Alli. Mary was crying watching the two of us dance. Very, very sweet. We're gonna pill, some more pictures as, as the rain at permissible trid admission. You know, you know, we, we had she wanted on Hilton Head island her grandparents had a house there. They've, they've sold it years ago. But she members going there, visiting her grandparents, and so people came from all over the country. One of her best friends from San Francisco. One of our best friends from Connecticut, Judy Finch and people from floor my sister from Washington and her family from Washington, people from Florida really all over the country. They were so sweet to do that. In what really blew my mind as the father. They had at the Westin hotel. We, we did it, overlooking the beach. And there were some people who were, you know, just just can't help guests and they were they were watching the wedding because I was with Alli in a private area, and I could look down because I'm gonna obviously going to walk her down the aisle, and everybody was so respectful, there was probably twenty people who were not really invited guests who are watching, and they're very respectful and it was funny. Waiting to Walker down the aisle hotel guests were coming into the area. We were staging and they come in and they'd see the bride and they go sorry. Sorry, I'm so sorry. And she would say it's no problem at all. And then they would all say, congratulations, and then I walked her down the aisle, and what blew my mind after the ceremony was actually was before the ceremony. I went through the reception area, which also is overlooking the beach in the ocean. It was beautiful. And I'm looking at the plate said the chargers for the plates were on every. Place setting and I'm walking around, and I'm seeing all the different names. They had all the names of individuals where you would sit and you know, I found Mary's name in my name, and I found names of people that were on my side of the aisle. And then I found, you know, people that I've met through jae-ji Ramam from years ago, and then I found the bride and groom and I looked down, and I saw alleys place setting. And it said Allie McGuire. Oh, wow. That's just like what? How, how can that be? And it didn't you know when Landon. Hit me that way because I guess, I knew Ramsey longer, and so I just it in east, too. I got used to it and Landon is a couple of years older when I when I saw that name I wanna holy cow. I told her that, and she said, I was going to keep my name and I don't know why said this, I said, I'm glad you did. I don't know why I said that she side gave it some real thought and Tim, or her husband didn't have a problem with the decided to go with with McGuire. It's a beautiful name. But just how strange it was just really, really strange. And this, I have to have to tell you what I did we did the rehearsal. And so I walk her down the aisle, and her uncle married her. And he has a lot of ties with spiritual groups religious groups a group called sports friends, and he did a great job as the minister. When we did the rehearsal, he said, of course, and who gives this woman, and I said, I do. And so we finish the ceremony and he called me over. And you said, you know, it's up to you, but you might wanna say her mother and I do. I don't know why. I just said, I do, like who am I I'm the father do what about the king? So in the actual ceremony was held, I said her mother and it was just absolutely beautiful. And she looked so gorgeous. And we had so much fun. There. We they, they had a great band, and her grandmother's ninety one years olds, the lady who had the house on Hilton Head island, Jack. And she looked beautiful in this beautiful, shiny blue dress and Allie, gutter out on the dance floor. And as she went out there. Mary grabbed tambourine from the band gave it to ninety one year old Jean and the band played. We are family and. Ninety one years old is shaking the tambourine with how followed the other people, there's probably forty fifty people in the dance. So it was everything that Allie wanted. It was it was perfect. She planned it. She was running it, you know, she had a wedding planner. But she, you know, was giving her ideas and having them executed. And we talked a couple of days ago about her unorthodox music choices. How'd that work out free? Yeah. Let Gunson there was a string string and halo by beyond right? And so, at the when I welcomed, everybody, I said, by the way, her grandmother, made the choices for all the music. She just loves guns and roses, but she's ninety one years old. And I guess the funniest thing that I did was welcoming everybody. And I said, you know, they say study say that subconsciously girl, observes her father. And when she makes a choice for a husband, she usually makes it shows based on what her father was. Like an which looks like. Can I get my two son in laws stand up of they're both about six two and six feet, dark hair care guy? And I said folks, like movie star, I think you can look at the three of us and say that could be triplets. Oh, what was the father daughter dance to personally, get the name of the song? It wasn't anything that I recognized it was something that she picked. But it was very pretty. What were you, I have it in the program, but I didn't recognize thinking during that dance. What was going through your head while she's had a, a long ride of ups and downs, but it all turned out great, by the way last Friday. She graduated from college Saturday, she got married and on Monday. She just started graduate with school as teachers assistant as. Alleys doing everything. She could always do. She's just doing her own way. Crazy that, that little chubby cheek baby was this grown woman, who's a bride. And that's what got to meet with the name change. Yeah. So anyway, thank you for listening to it. It was a wonderful day. It's bob. And sheri. They knew Bob. And Sheri, twenty four seven Bob and Sheri dot com. I mean, I think you can tell by listening to this show that Bob Neier both like just really emotional right now. This has been such an emotional few weeks for us, we have kids graduating and getting married and turning eighteen and going to prom and somehow getting into a law school camp with the legally blonde. Essay that was written without anyone editing it, that's my youngest child, and I have cried no kidding. I cry myself to sleep at night. And I wake up with tears rolling down my face for weeks and weeks and weeks now and I've had I've had what my husband's frightened. I mean at this point, I think he's gonna shoot me with an animal tranquilizer, but I've had people say to me, don't cry. It's bad for your kids to see you cry. Well, I, I mean whatever I can't help it. I'm crying all the time and I found something I posted on my own on my personal Facebook yesterday that really spoke to. Why I'm a mess and why you're a mess because you Bob. Unlike a lot of men, I know you're a Mench and it's right on the surface with you. It doesn't take a lot for you to become really emotional, where your children are concerned and I love that about you. And you should never feel like you have to explain or defend that have read for you. This was part of a post on a website called grown in flown dot com. It's why we cry. So here we are you ready? When our kids who graduated getting married I know I know. Kidding know for Leeming into. Could someone give him the celestial seasons? TANF cat because we're going to lean into our. I didn't learn this DJ schools. More y'all y'all? This is in violation of the DJ rules. This is called my cry. And this is why we're also emotional right now. Tomorrow morning. Shirt, joe. On your way to cry. Tomorrow. We're doing a feature on kittens without home. Don't miss it. But here we go one we cry. We cry for ourselves not for our beautiful amazing smart funny, kind capable children's slashing adults. We cry because we're not in control anymore. We cry because we know we've made mistakes over the years, and there's no way, we can fix them. Now, we cry because of that one swim meet we missed because of that one field trip, we didn't chaperone because of the time we were up on night, and let him cry in the crib for twenty minutes, the next morning because we just couldn't get out of bed. We cry for the time that teacher was hateful, and we blamed it on him. And we believe the teacher because the teacher was the adult we cry for the time, here, she was hurt by a friend, and we couldn't fix it. We cry for the times. They said, I'm bored. We assigned chores, rather than taking the chance to sit down and play a board game. We cry for every missed opportunity that we so vividly, remember and our kids, probably forgot along time ago, we cry because we want just one more day to turn back the clock. Crime. I have to point out that the name of the bit. You brought was why we cry. So you get that. Honestly, go ahead. We cry because we want them to be two years over. We protect. We cry. Because those things back. Join us tomorrow. We're going to be reading from the scripts of the television show. Lassie. Emotional pain, may not be visible, but the impact it has on your life every day in every way is maybe it's stress maybe things. I eighty two pression grief trauma anger family conflict, whatever it is. That's holding you back and keeping you from the happiness and the piece that you deserve. 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The author has listed reasons why we cry at every one of them is tear jerk, because this is the this is the season of transitions graduations on what am I one of my friends are daughter just moved up from middle school to high school. And that made me cry. Everything makes everything makes me cry right now. I am I gave it. I gave it some thought. And, and here's what I would've added to that book. These are these are things that I need to stay away from because they're triggers children in peril, animals, especially dogs in peril, and poor real estate choices that I have made in the past stone, even go at most three I'd I don't need to go there any of those whatsoever. There are a few others, but we'll just leave it at three there. Wow. Wow. Kevin gets up way earlier than I do on the weekends because he wakes up with the sun, all year round and I wake up when I wake up so he tiptoed into the bedroom. What do you do that? By the way, is soon as the sun, and it comes up earlier, as soon as the sun hits the windows and the room is brighter. I loved you put a pillow right over my head really, he tiptoed into the room to see if I was awake, and I had been awake, and I was sitting up in bed with tears rolling down my face. You know every man just loves that scene, he tiptoed in and he looked and he went did he back out? Here's the good news. You're with the MIT. You said you put a pillow over your head. And you're with a guy that didn't try to do that. That's, that's a positive I have improved life. You, you really. Have you really have? You've got you know. Because of things that I've been through I would occasionally in certain situations talking about certain subjects get a little bit emotional. I am surprised that you because not saying you don't feel you definitely do feel. I mean you're a writer in all you've worked with people who struggling with your degree. But I don't think that I've seen you cry. But maybe once I twenty years that we've been together have strongly, internalized the Tom Hanks message from the movie league of their own crying baseball. I don't cry at work like some of the stuff crying. I'm with you more than just work. I cry I tend to cry over the really big things like I'm just I went to okay. So let me my friend, Rick uncle sparkles, who I love liquor brother, his dad passed away. His dad was a retired fire chief, we went to the funeral last week and I cry for Rick because he's heartbroken. And I loved Rick's mom and dad at his funeral service, the fire chaplain for the state spoke and they had an honor guard and they had firefighters in uniform, and when the fire chaplain, finished, speaking, the firefighters snap to attention. It was very much like a military. Funeral in and Rick turned. I was sitting several behind Rick Rick turned to watch the fire chaplain, we've the altar. I saw Rick's face and that was it? I I needed to be sedated, but I wanted to tell you guys something, the fire chaplain said in his eulogy for Rick dad or you ready. He was talking about how the family of a firefighter sacrifices so much. The phone call comes in the middle of the night, or at the child's birthday party or during the graduation, Christmas morning, because the firefighter must respond to the call of duty. And so he was talking so beautifully about the sacrifice that firefighters and first responders make. And then he said a phrase that must be a fireman phrase. I've never heard it before he said and we just, you know, we're just the glad to have the opportunity to get the call and put the wet stuff on the red stuff. Have you ever heard, of course, inside firefighter, lingo, right there, folks? So I'm glad it's firefighter, lingo. You know, I, I said to myself making note this doesn't belong at the radio station. So, yeah, I mean I do I tend to I tend to save my tears for the big stuff, and I am having. I mean I'm just having a wretched hard time with all these life transitions right now. It's that time, it's that time of the year, but it's also that time of life you go through different periods, like I think, in your twenties, you're, you're not experiencing things like you're discussing right now there's a season of graduations. Yes, I hate to even say there's a season of loss. There is an with grandparents, and so on. I'm having friends whose who are losing parents now, which is like, I'm a scruffy orphan, and a lot of ways. So it's hard for me like Joni, my sister, wife, her parents are older, and an import health. And so you're seeing people really deal with this stuff, and I'm hysterical with grief over a Livia graduating, even though I'm so proud of her and happy. I get my father in law said at a certain point in his life. He said all I do with my wife now go to graduations, and funerals. And it was true because that was the end his life. But I try to stay away from those triggers because I mean. I know because you get a most. Think about. Spent that money on a mixed. Use condominium. With two rooms. And. Bird. Sherry, the talk back to back featured on the free Auburn, Sherry app and leave us a message. So this is a message for you. Bob. Bob, you're so funny. Why do you say pots and pans like that? You say pots and pans, why. That's so funny. Have a good day guys because a complete ass. What is she talking about? What is what is about to say anything? Pots and pans. Now you Japan you'll be talking about. And you'll say sign went out and I bought this new pan. And we're all like, we don't know if the kid we don't know if that's the Connecticut thing. Mexico's is that a northern thing and. The word that I noticed that you say funny is. PI. L. L W pillow. Say pillow pillow pillow, Ella. Yeah, I might say that I but I think you know, if this is the worst that you can. If this is the worst that you can come up with I'm living with it. We spoke to talk now. And, and that's not good. His. It's, it's, it's like wrong though. Gophers get, you know, sometimes it's called the B. Just something, they're just like I'm thinking about the wrong thing I can't hit it. Carry me gets the sometimes that competition for dance. He's not wrong people have committed war crimes, escaped it and the man butts. Right. But if she enjoyed it she was laughing. Can you play it again? Listen to the joy in her voice with my with my stupidity. Bob, you're so funny. Why do you say pots and pans like that? You say Puttin pans. That's so funny. Have a guys what am I talking about pots and pans, by the way, you're cooking in Mary's not allowed to use your special pan? No, no. I bought it at bed, bath and beyond. It wasn't over priced to his Lord. I got twenty percent off by bed bath and beyond coupon, which is sent to my phone, by the way. So there you go. What did you? Would you buy bed bath and beyond button? That's fine. Let's just fine. I've never robbed a Bank. Speed steal from people. I've never fired at will one person to another one max. Cherry. This is Jessica Shelby, I had a similar experience to Bob's when he felt that it was easier to lie and say that moved I was visiting my parents over the summer and a local newspaper delivery pulled up when I was outside and handed me the paper and asked if I was home for the summer from college while I'm thirty and haven't been in college for a long time. But for some reason I thought it was easier to lie, and I just said, yes, I felt the conversation there, but he kept asking questions about my major, and what you're right. Was and ice journalism because that was my major and that was a mistake because I was talking to a newspaper person and that created a longer conversation. So it was just a mess and went on longer than I thought, but it made me think about experienced by the way, I love the guns of never owned, so you're not alone loan. Bob. Thanks love the show by. Complement the guy she's thirty in the guy thought that she was like twenty wasn't that nice. Sorority. Kid go there. Mine was I didn't go to this Chinese restaurant for a couple of years been. Oh, I moved. Move to. Oh, it's the other side of town and that it bring Mary you move. Just can't do that. It just becomes a rabbit hole to get those plots pants. You could cook it home and not have these awkward. And I'm going to go home today, and get one of those paeans hit myself. It. Ahead with it. Never stole a car. Once. And then you read it again believe this. It's bobbin cherries believe. Anna sore. Kane is a twenty eight year old Russian immigrant who's going to be serving anywhere from four to twelve years in prison for fraud. She posed as an heiress named Anna Delhvi, and she built people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. She would go to hotels, and like, really incredible hotels in New York City and run-up gigantic tabs and not pay your Bill, because of wire transfers coming. She did restaurants scams and high fashion clothing scams at one point, she got actually Russian. Yeah. She's actually she got away with what at one point. She tried to get twenty two million dollar Bank loan. That's how they busted her. But she bilked banks out of one hundred grand here, one hundred grand there. She built a woman named Rachel Williams into taking your on an all expenses paid trip to Morocco for seventy grand that she did not. Pay a penny for and my favorite part of this. And sarokin is while she was sitting in her jail cell on Rikers island. She reached out to a high fashion, couture stylist posing as herself, the heiress, Anna Dehlvi, and got them to dress, her in tens of thousands of dollars worth of free designer clothes for her court appearances. Why would someone why would the designer do that? All you have to do is Google her date. They didn't Google earth. Here's her defense. She said, I'm not guilty. I'm just a naive young woman. She's a sociopath is what she is total sociopath. I'm she had a meltdown over like one of the things if you, if you read the New York Post, during her trial, they couldn't get enough of this, because she would have temper tantrums in court over what she was wearing in state prison in New York. She was restricted to army green pants skirts, shirts white t shirts she could add green knit hat or maybe some knee socks, but she was so upset about having to dress like that for court that she kept her jury waiting one day for two and a half hours while she screamed. One of the jurors said, we could hear her through the walls yelling and screaming about, or close the last thing that I would do if I'm up in front of a jury is keep them waiting to half hours and then sound like a maniac down the hall, what a stupid thing to do. You're supposed to get them on your side. You're supposed to be likable. She is. So. Cunning and such a good fraudster such a good con artist the prosecutors, and this is the moment were at an America pay attention to this because this is the moment were at when the prosecutors made their argument for why she should be convicted. They said she used the proceeds of deceit and fraud to live a life of luxury fit for a car, dashing. No kidding. Remember to visual? Remember when the saying was fit for royalty? Yes, you're right. Isn't even as good. Then while she was sitting in her jail cell at Rutgers island. She managed to get a TV deal with net flicks. They're making a Netflix series based on her life, and it's going to be created by shonda, rhimes, Grey's anatomy. You know, you have to say one thing, the girl, the hustler is a real hustler. That's exactly right. And do you know that, that is one of the things that makes rich people richer? I just read this article, and it's an it, what it says is, there are a lot of people who have done very well financially. So why have they done well and some of us have not done? Well, it's because they have unbridled confidence, which we the dirty grubs mistake for competent if you come from a family, who has a lot of money, and they have a lot of confidence you, you are around it all the time. So you may not know your subject as well as some other people. But you present in a way where people say, oh, well, I mean, you know, they seem to really have it together. And that's what she does read that, too, that we look at people with success with any kind of wealth that could be inherited from their great grandfather. But. We mistake that wealth for competence. We put those people in charge of things business running. We, we had, we were working for a company years ago that had a CEO who really wasn't very bright everybody knew that this guy wasn't very bright. They were they would say things like how did he become the C, E O? Here's what he had. He's a big tall guy and had a great line of BS to quote by the Alf. He was a cotton headed in any muggings. But people think newletter elite people who knew him from the from way back when he was a salesman said he just had this amazing line of BS, and it got him so far eight got them all the way all the way it got him all the way to the top. And then at the moment, the crucial moment, he cashed out and walked away. Yeah. After having ruined part of a company a cotton headed many mug. It's Bobby listen, the new Bob and Sheri, twenty four seven Bob and Sheri dot com. The internet is so ridiculous so much of the time, you probably heard about the billionaire, Robert F Smith who spoke in Morehouse college graduation, a few days ago, and he announced he was paying all of the student loans for that year off it comes to over forty million dollars. Well, Oprah was the commencement speaker at Colorado college, which is a very good school. And she posted a picture of herself with a very happy graduate, one of her followers thought he gets shot in by saying, quote, should've paid off the student debt LL Oprah saw that. And gave it right back. She said, quote, already paid thirteen million in scholarships have put over four hundred men through Morehouse. And quietly with no. Lately? I'm glad I'm glad that she did. Because that's very impressive. I thought it was amazing for that gentleman to pay off that students, I kept thinking when this story hit my news feed. Oh, what would it have felt like because I when I graduated with my undergraduate degree. I thought I was never going to pay it all to be in that audience and your cap and gown and to realize that, that burden had been lifted like that of felt like for those students and their families. I was watching the news. I saw a couple of the students interviewed, and they both said the same thing he announced that he was going to do that. And they said it didn't it didn't sink him. Course it day instantly, they had to process it. And then, of course, does he mean for everybody me the we, we, you know, the, the thing to do is to celebrate his generosity feel joy for those students but not we can't what we can't look to the Bill. Nares. Save us all. That's not well, there's one trillion up more than one trillion dollars in student loans that are currently active that's love of money. So I mean, there are more billionaires than if you were a baby boomers say, a billionaire with something that you didn't think really existed. Then there are more of them now than than even twenty years ago. But there's not enough of them, and frankly, some of them are not going to do that. Some of the billionaires are going to be spending their money at a massage parlor, and some of those billionaires think, you know, get get your own. Yeah. You know, people don't want to hand out, I think about, like, how much student loan, how much student loan debt, my niece has. It's roughly a trillion dollars that seems about right? It's staggering I paid off mine. I'm talking about myself, but it was another era college didn't cost as much when I went it took me ten years to pay off my student loans. Did it really? It's one of the reasons that, you know, millennials are not buying houses are moving back in with their folks, because it's house housing is expensive. And they've got this the deal. I mean, think about this, though, it took me ten years, and I didn't go to I went to a public university. I didn't go to some like go to Harvard and I worked fulltime while I was there and it still took me to coastal. But that's you know that's the deleo good for Oprah. And she does a lot that people that she's quiet about talk about somebody else, who's amazing. Have you seen the latest Pechiney picture of Christie Brinkley there? There's something that I mean, she looks. Yeah. I don't know what to say. She sixty five years old, and I swear to God she looks twenty five thirty five something like that. I mean she has made some kind of a deal with the devil. I there was a picture Rachel took a picture of me and Livia Livia, getting ready to leave for her prom. So pretty poor Livia was so sick. I had the kids does dayquil that she doesn't even know she's laryngitis. Choosing. Ever. So Rachel took a picture. Of course, I have been as you as you know, from the whole show today crying every day for weeks in this picture. There's my daughter looking like a radiant little goddess and next to her is me looking like a sleep deprived. Harry dumpling, it was just not my best moment. Harry dumpling was didn't he call sports for the White Sox? At one time, it was just I just looked at that and thought I Christie Brinkley what are you drinking? It's obviously, I mean, her life has been wonderful. She's been pampered and shinkin, get all sorts of trainers, and all sorts of dieticians keep looking that way. But we also have to just say it's also in the gene. I mean, she's a supermodel, but I mean I, I don't know that I've ever seen anybody at sixty five quite as it is amazing good for her. Look, if you can have that go, absolutely go get, and that's her job, that is her job. We, we have to remind ourselves she's going to be a spokesperson. She has to look a certain. Yeah. I mean, the alternative is my grandma white hair who had to fold them up to get them indoors suit top that. Not while why. The Bob and sharing show. A very special announcement ahead, get up to three hundred dollars off select Dell and alienware computers. With Intel core processor, kgo eight hundred five Dell or go to Dell dot com slash Memorial Day. It's Bob and cherry sometimes you'll hear about a person in job that sounds like you know, that is so glamorous. But there's a downside, like, I think being a personal assistant to some really rich star star. I mean you'd go with them to the cans film festival and traveled Malibu, and Hawaii, and all that. But they could also become a pill and they expect you to work twenty four hours a day. It's exactly right. And this is a job like that there's an article with CNN travel that says these are the confessions of VIP private jet attendant. And so I read it and all of the ones that I read about there were four of them in there were women. And the upside is. As you get to travel, and these are very, very rich people because the jets are is small, as like six seats or is big as twenty depending, whether it's a corporate jet or it's a private. So you get to travel with them. You stay nice hotels, occasionally, you get really nice gifts. Almost all of them said that they do not get tipped when the when the people walk off. There's no tipping. The salaries are generally between one hundred fifty seven dollars a day and five hundred twenty five dollars a day, depending on who it is what your relationship is. I have a question would you know what would you tip? We don't know to do that. No, I would think that it would be almost insulting Aki. Yeah. Tacky to do what you feel like if I tip the flight attendant on this private jet. I am going to look like a hey seat, who's never been anywhere. So. Nobody does that. Nobody does that. Now the downside is, and there are several of them, you are sometimes working around the clock made if all of a sudden, you just flew to Monaco and, and a call comes in that whoever the, the big shot is has to be in London because of something that happened. You you're back on the plane again. That's your deal. None of them work for a company. They all worked freelance said they don't even have benefits. No, they don't. So I mean you just have to kinda dig the lifestyle and you have to be able to do a lot of different things. Some of them are given glamorous uniforms that are custom made some of them receive gifts from the people like thousand dollar handbags does it pay when you are working, does it pay. Like you said a hundred fifty seven as low is day to five twenty five is the average depending on in a what you have to do in who you're working for. So it's a bit of a gilded cage, I guess, though, I suppose, once you land in, I'm, I don't know. Monaco, Monaco, you might have a few days might are your accommodations paid for trapped in, Monaco. So that's the part, that's because when you catch one of those one of those flights one of those gigs. But what if you also have to be able to prepare you have to, you kinda have to know who who the people flying are because they want to sit down, and they want their drink just they want the dirty MARTINI. That's slightly dirty with the blue cheese olives in their hand their hands. So you've got to, you know, see this coming. It just it can all be, Monaco, though, because do you remember that day Bob, and I had gone to New York to lose Marconi, I believe, and we flew into an airport and teeter borough, New Jersey and. As we were landing so was a private plane with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. And it was just was it just Nicole Kerr's debt and then another plane landed with Ted Turner, the Radia mogul said there, we had some VIP flight attendants who were enjoying the luxurious weekend teeter, Chirs, which is not Monico that's where they were staying because I watched, Nicole get into a black SUV worry about windows, blacked out worried about Nicole of talking about the VIP flight attendant. No, I think they're going probably to wherever the stinks. I think so there, see what you mean. Why, why would you even bother borough? You take a subway or a bus in your New York. My point is it's not Monico a lot of those private jet VIP flights are gonna be. It's, it's a pens where you're going. I don't think that you can ask somebody to pay for to be a flight attendants, even if they're making five hundred a day, you can ask them to pay for, Monaco hotel, you, you have to that you would. I just I don't know. I don't see listen I don't see you working in a service capacity for anyone. Rich poor human chimpanzee you. My man are incapable of that, at this point in your life. Oh, I think at any point in my life. I was trying to I was trying to I can't. You know what am I saying? I mean I've, I've been a bus boy, dishwasher, I worked in factory. I know it's been look. And you haven't you haven't attitude, especially if the people have inherited the money. Oh, buddy. Your attitude gets their ten minutes before you do and, you know, that's true, one of the don't even one of the shoots I ever did was, we got permission from this family that owns it like a two hundred foot yacht in Fort Lauderdale. And the family wanted to be in the television piece. So up, they pull with their black Mercedes as I'm watching the crew, and they have a full-time crew for their for their boat, take the canvas covering off of the carpeting. So it was never smudged. Yeah. Who I'm going to give? You thing. You so much for letting us go. What a beautiful beautiful shipping. Suck it up into suck it up, sometimes that's what these people have to do. You can suck it up sometimes, but you can't suck it up everyday everyday, I wouldn't enjoy it would show on your face. That's true. It's. Stuff. He won't here on the show. The Bob and Sheri odd cast on the Bob and Sheri app. Get it now in store or Google play it Costco, last night, like I generally am and before I had gone to Costco is dropping carry me off. If I dunno ballet or some, some whatever clash, yet, Leslie, I said, hey, does anybody else want to come to Costco, with me? Kevin Olivia and my husband said, I would go, but I can tell by your tone of voice that you would like some special load time. And so, I don't mean to brag about my pampered Princess lifestyle. But yes, I had special alone time at Costco last night. I did. And I realized that not everyone to you, man. Not every answer me woman. How do you do the to your man? I don't I'm just so lucky. So I'm so lucky to be treated like a Queen the way that I am able to go to Cosco alone in the medial at cost. So I'm I recognized not everyone has that. Kind of marriage, and I'm sorry, use get lucky. Well hope you bought them. Eight or ten pairs of underwear. The Costco, and I'm cruising through, and it was a pretty quiet night and come down an aisle. And there's a couple at in the middle of the aisle, and they're looking at fifty pound bags of rice, what you do, and they are probably seventy and they are not just holding hands. They are full on lake. Canoed alling, really. They are like they're like, holding hands, and they're flirting and they're just brushing up against each other and rubbing noses like like you don't usually see around a bag of rice bag of rice and they were in their seventies. And so I stopped because I'm very, very enthusiastically curious about other people's business, I stopped and pretend it that I was looking at a five gallon barrel of black olives. So that I. A little more closely and I was trying to decide is this nanna and pops. And they've been married, they were high school sweethearts and they've been married forever and the fires never died. Or is this Roger, and Debbie, and they are divorced found each other on Tinder Artime, and this is a new relationship, and it's hotter than a hot dog. Or they both lost their spouses. And they thought they weren't going to find anybody else and they did. And they did what he that's the one that I think that's the one what do you think, makes you think NAN and pops together since high school. I think that it's a long term thing. I think that they have been together, this was a lot of times, people fall in and out of love through the course of their lives. I mean through the course of their marriage, that is spoken like the son of two people that have been married for seventy years. I'll tell you why think it's the, the ladder because I have experienced that way, a former girlfriend of mine, her father lost his wife, and they, I guess he was around maybe sixty five something like that. And he met a woman who had just lost her husband. It was tragically killed with a car accident. She was about the same age at a supermarket. There were both in the produce section and they just happened is, and she's a very wonderful gregarious person struck up a conversation and there yet, here's a handsome man and a couple in and he called his daughter who I was stating and said, I just thought to let you know that I met someone. And I believe, I'm going to give her a call. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that does happen even though it's coming from a tragic situation. I look at my mother, who is just a beautiful smart. Interesting independent strong woman and her second husband died, and she's been alone for a long time. So I signed doer come on mom going, our time squad to dinner and she said. A man. God forbid. No. I've known some that age who have said that, they, they wouldn't mind going out to dinner, but then he's got to go home. I gotta tell you sometimes y'all get on my nerves a little bit. But I have never looked at the other half of the species went, oh God forbid, no. Strong to me. I think someone have just had enough all that a certain point and just to bring another one of us in with our belief knowledge and ours. Still comes with glad to see that romance in the race at the Costco. Stuff you won't hear on the show, the Bob and Sheri odd cast on the Bob and cherry app. Get it now in IT store or Google play backs shared an article with me about face tattoos, and how what face tattoos stuff. Yeah. Many morons in the new stories involving a face tattoo, and how that doesn't mean that you are a moron. Well, the headline here's the least surprising headline ever face tattoo removal on the rise as regret sets in. I'm sorry. The story share with me opens with a gentleman who has a bloody knife and brass knuckles tattooed face. A welcoming look. Here's what he said. He said as soon as I walk him for a job interview. Thank who is this guy trying to get a job looking like that. You can't put him on register anywhere. No, he's thirty. So, you know, they say science tells us that we are our brains are not like fully adult and making good decisions. We're about twenty six or maybe twenty seven that's right. The thirty sounds about right to look in the mirror and go, you know, maybe the bloody knife on my face was bad idea. No, I think honest to God, not that I've made all solid decisions obviously, I have not in my life, but I think at ten I knew not to have a bloody knife tattooed on my face. Well, thinking when you're twenty three twenty four years old. Different kind of message so rich that you, you don't need a job because every job that I can think of even this one. If I got on my face a, bloody knife, and what was the other thing he had an brass knuckle and brass knuckles on my face? I'm not saying they'd get rid of me. It's radio. So you might have you might be able to hang on. Tony would say just don't put Bob don't wrap up on on the on the fan. The van just Sherry, you would not have a bloodied knife. You would have a shrimp fork. You're just the development. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Which is even worse because people will be saying, you know, the bloody knife thing on that other guy over there shrimp. What is with? What is it? Does he have clam on his face? It's just you don't have a lighthouse right on my forehead wouldn't that petted? Send a message. You are, again, a big beacon for those. See my mind. That's the one. Good sense when you're before your brain is ready? Remember when my, my kid was in middle school and announce to me as soon as I'm old enough. I'm having the twenty one pilots logo tattooed on my neck. I assure you that's not happening or not one of them had tattoos on the back of their eyelids. So when they closed their eyes, it said something, oh, really? And, and they said that the removal of the tattoo was more painful than the getting of the tat. I bet it was. That's a tricky one on islets. Holy smoke. I don't know have to be put under. I've had babies and I'd rather do that again. Then have an eyelid tattoo that see why that sounds horrifying. So the people who get them on their face, though, that kept them removed us does that article say, how successful that is, is there's some vestiges of there's a doctor. I think in law, I think he's in Los Angeles. And he's an expert. He's some sort of cosmetic surgeon, who's an expert in removing FaceTime, twos, takes about a half a dozen sessions. Or more each one is four hundred dollars a session, so yeah, you're having. But I mean can you see a little bit the remnants of the original tattoo, I people? People have had it done, unlike their arms, and you can still see a little bit of, and I wonder if that technology is improved. I think it depends on the tattoo, I told you guys, the story I don't want. I don't want to name her. But one of the people we work with out at one of our stations in, I'm not going to say any more can't even tell you her name or where, but when she hears this, she knows are told me that when she was, you know, working at the radio station they made her go and get tattooed eyeliner, because they, it was a new business in town and the business felt that and she's so beautiful and smart. That if, if, if people could see her with her, tattooed, I liked, it will make a difference that they would understand how wonderful it is so off. She goes and they tattooed like turquoise eyeliner, but they only did the one I because the experience was so awful. Yourself to go back. So she has one I with, like a pirate. But here's the good thing about it. It was very, very light. And just because there's a merciful guide you have to really be like right on top of her because it faded. She only did the one treatment on the one, I and so it has faded enough to where she can cover it with makeup. Would she told me the story I thought it was going to die laughing, but like in so she she, she couldn't take the pain for both is her description of what it was like you to would only have done. Now I know other people have done it. And they lost. They have no drama, isn't it a bit of a gamble though with turquoise. That's what she felt too. And they didn't really give her a vote on that her face. They didn't give her. She works in radio. I mean, look at you nobody asked you before lighthouse. But at least that works. When you just want a taste of Bob and Sheri, text the word fund side, eight to sixty seven four three seven and Wilson it right to your own. I was reading the biggest complaints of Uber drivers. And I'm going down the list here. There is no way. I mean, I don't think I'd be a good Uber driver, but max would be the worst Uber driver ever, because of the aggravation that he would have to put up because he would hate the job. You would just hate the job. I'm looking at these things. Most people would hate these things. But I think he is extremely sensitive to some of these Uber complaints. Okay. So these are the drivers and what they were complaining about a start at the bottom and go up to number one with their biggest complaint. Number ten is vaping in the car that would retake the heck out of me and I think max to vaping in the car number nine setting the wrong spot for the pickup point. That would be retaining. Now, you got to reset the thing number eight not tip. Ping? You know, I always tip goober and lift drivers funny, because at the beginning, they weren't taking tips. They were not taking tips besting that, that Hoover dead lifted it. I was made it possible to tip in the app because a lot of times like you don't have cash. Yeah. So now you can just hit your in the up and you don't want the them driving around with cash. Somebody, they have cash, I would tip in cash because I just like to do at that way. But uber. I think when they started they, they were discouraging it weren't they tipping to keep the cost low to get the reputation to think you, right. Certain point making female drivers uncomfortable. I bet that happens, some drunken guy gets in the bay where where are you from number five being rude? Number four, slamming the door. I bet that happens a lot. What kind of an arrogant bag of wind? Some people don't realize their door, slayers coarser vapes is rude and aggressive. And then slips the door. Much line. Don't you know, some car door slammers though? When they're not angry. Yeah. Yeah. There's someone that I drive every once in a while. It's in it's not media family, but I drive this person every once in awhile, Nara slammer. Yeah. And I've, I've said as they get out, I say, don't slam the door. It, it closes easily in drives me crazy. Number three arguing with the root on. Why are you going this way? Why not enough? I mean, the guy's got it in the GPS, right? But to be fair, sometimes if you know the area better than your driver. Yeah, yeah, I've done that actually, but at air, Tate's them, it's number three. So it's up there number two is smoking weed or smelling, like weed is just irritating to drivers bit. You know, I think if you smell like, we you smell like weed. But if you're smoking in their car. Yeah. You can't aggressive. Yeah. And number one state where it's legal. I mean you're putting the driver in a bad position. But the driver shouldn't be exposed to smoke of any totally agree, but you're really doubly being offensive, if you're in a state where it's illegal that's true too. That's true too. By the way, we'd is not legal in New York City. I don't think it's. Decriminalized decriminalize openly smoke less time. I was there about a month or so ago. A Mark, I'm every street that I was walking down about every two blocks, I would smell weed and I went, wow. You know, but then again, what do we see the other day? Sixteen percent of Americans smoke weed every week at work. Yeah. At work. That's a substantial amount of people. All I can think we listen to us that Chris rock bit. He got wing. The cop pulls a moment and number one eating food that stinks in the car that alone, I think would kill it for max. Oh, yeah. He can't even when you bring in. Bring it in. Have you noticed that you've been schooled and you're not holding on that or anything? Tell by your tone of for God, six thirty in the morning. It's garlic chicken from the night before. Like liquor raccoon, that's been starved for like a month. Do you know what if you people didn't have eating habits and types of talk about they would be nobody, there would be? No, Bob and Jerry showed lucky that I have a rabbit is. Appetite. I just keeps giving. Said. Thank you so much for listening to the Bob and Sheri podcast and the Bob and Sheri, odd cast, we'd love if you would subscribe rate review and share it with a friend on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, wherever you go. And thank you again for this. This. With the Capital, One saver card urine four percent cashback on dining and entertainment. 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