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What's Ahead During Former President Donald Trump's Second Impeachment Trial
"Hey it's jen just a quick heads up before we start this show. The news is rapidly developing and things may have changed by the time you hear this episode for the very latest news tune into your public radio station and follow updates at npr dot org. This is one a. I'm jen white in washington. He's the first president ever to be impeached twice and the first face impeachment proceedings after leaving office senators will debate whether the senate trial of former president. Donald trump is constitutional. And if it should be held at all the president cannot simply resigned to avoid accountability for impeachable offense nor can they escape judgment by waiting until their final few weeks office to betray our country. The impeachment powers assigned to the congress by the constitution cannot be defeated by a president who decides to run away or trashes our democracy on the way out the door beside the fact that this process is completely unconstitutional and that this is a very very dangerous road to take with respect to the first amendment putting it risk any passionate political speaker which is really against everything we believe in this country that was senate majority leader chuck schumer followed by trump defense lawyer. David shown what should we expect from the senate trial this time around in. What does this all mean for how. We hold the president accountable. Joining us to talk about. It is rachel baid. She's the co author of politico playbook and she's currently writing a book on the impeachment of donald trump. Rachel welcome. Thanks for having me on and on the line from dallas. Is jeffrey angle. He's the director of the center for presidential history at southern methodist university. He's also co author of the book impeachment and american history. Jeff welcome back to one a. High it's good to talk to you again. So rachel we finally got details about how the trial will go. What did we learn. Yes so we're going to be kicking off here Around noon today just a little after and basically under the rules. That senate leaders unveiled to start this trial They're going to be debating for four hours today. The main thrust of trump's defense. Which is you know whether you can actually impeach a former president. Is it constitutional to do so as you sort of laid out in your opening trump's defense team and actually a bunch of senate. Republicans have sort of rallied around this idea. This argument that the constitution actually doesn't allow for an impeachment of somebody who's already left office but since then In recent days we've seen a lot of pushback both from lawyers constitutional experts and even some conservative lawyers who typically align themselves with senate republicans and seemed to disagree. So i think you know today. It's going to be an early test. Vote about whether any republicans might change their mind on this issue We do we do not just to be clear. Expect that managers will be able to convince these seventeenth senate republicans that would be needed to actually convict trump. Certainly going to try to pick off as many as they can to side with democrats and then from today we're basically going to see them move very briskly. This could be done in less than a week. They'll be sixteen hours of presentations by the house. Managers both on wednesday and thursday Than the trump defense team will go friday saturday. We could see some question answers Basically where senators will get time to Volley these questions at either managers of the defense team on sunday and right now. We're hearing from some aides in the senate that this could all be done by presidents day. Which is monday and the bottom line here is that this would be the fastest impeachment trial in history They have ranged from twenty one days to eighty three days In past impeachment trials. We're looking at possibly six days here. And i think the big wild card that people are watching and i have been watching is do the managers decide to call witnesses because if they do make that decision at the end This could very much long the trial for several weeks to come and we don't know where it we go. They end up moving in that direction. We'll just as rachel said. The trial is starting with this debate over the constitutionality of the trial itself. What is the constitution. Have to say about impeachment. You know the concentrate is actually remarkably clear on this point and You know almost every single constitutional scholar or historian or lawyer that you would talk to tell you that this is constitutional so the argument that the president cannot be impeached after leaving office is really a political one. What did the constitution essentially says is a president can be impeached by the house in the house of representatives and then goes to a trial in the senate and requires of courses as we just heard two thirds majority in order to convict and the interesting thing that the constitution says is. There's really two penalties that the constitution allows the senate to impose the first is removal from office and the second is a second vote after a conviction. Which would allow the senate to say. You may not hold office ever again. So in essence the argument of those who say it's not constitutional is that why bother if this person has already been removed from office. Those who say it is constitutional which again is ninety nine percent of the people who know anything about this Tell we'll tell you that it's because there's actually two elements to Punishment that could be imposed by the congress and that of course would require a trial for the second one. Now rachel there was a vote a couple of weeks ago on whether the trials should be held in five. Gop senators said it should and that's being looked at as a bit of a bellwether for what's to come right. Yeah and that's why. We sort of tampering expectations about whether trump would really be convicted. I think it's been pretty clear. And despite all these constitutional experts saying that a president can be impeached. Clear that senate republicans have been looking for a way out. You know right. After january six happened and the mob stormed the capital. There were a lot of republicans who were saying. Okay this is. We're done with president trump but the reality is over the past few days weeks. The base has very much stayed with the president. And i think that a lot of republicans are looking at these poll numbers and hearing their constituents and saying i can't vote for this and so we were hearing from republicans privately Just a couple of weeks ago that they knew they couldn't defend trump on the merits on this right. They knew That would be difficult. They were there when the capital was stormed in a lot of them believe he does bear responsibility but they were looking for some sort of process out and this is where this argument started to percolate. There was a call with mcconnell and senate republicans Just a couple of days ago where they were basically pressing mcconnell to see if they could go to the supreme court to get the whole thing thrown out and the leader was telling them. you know. We don't have the ability to do that. But this really underscores senate republicans speaking in this political behind where They don't want to vote to convict trump because of the base But they also know. They can't defend him on the merits as you just mentioned that vote that happened. A few days ago it was a telltale sign rand. Paul from kentucky forced this vote saying basically this argument. that trump cannot be impeached. Because he's already left the white house and as you mentioned forty five senate. Republicans voted with him and that just indicates to us that they're not going to get the seventeen senate. Republicans needed to convict. Will they get more than the five. We'll see aside from whether the trial itself is constitutional. A lot of the debate is going to hinge on what happened on january. Sixth we have come to demand that congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building to peacefully patriotically. Make your voices heard today. We will see whether republicans and strong for integrity of our elections but whether or not they stand strong for a country that was part of the speech. Former president trump gave at a rally outside the white house january sixth before his speech was even finished. His supporters had begun to gather on the steps of the us capitol building. Jeffrey wire democrat starting with this particular speech. I think it's because they have evidence that we all just heard and that you could see on the tv. I mean one the things that we take from looking at the history of impeachments. If you look at richard nixon's case and of course. He resigned before he would have been surely impeached too. I included in the list The thing that really did. Nixon in was the ability for the american people to hear with their own ears. What it was the president had done. Once the office tapes were released into the public. Basically vixen support eroded overnight so in essence it one thing the democrats i think you learned from the first impeachment trial is that the nixon case reinforces that the american public really needs to hear it themselves and see themselves that discussions secondhand accounts testimonies affidavits. Those may be good for a regular court but this is a court that is political therefore in a court of public opinion matters so i think democrats are wise to start with something that every american can get their is around. Trump's legal team is also talked about a first amendment defense. What's that argument again. This one of those wonderful moments of legal sophistry. I guess A similar to the argument that it's not constitutional They are arguing that the president is allowed to say whatever he wants politically. That's guaranteed by the constitution in the first amendment now of course this is incorrect and the vast majority of legal scholars would tell you this is incorrect. Because essence the first amendment guarantees you the right to free speech when you are a citizen from the government but the truth matter is impeachment is not about anything is other than a political act. That is you don't have to actually commit an actual crime on the books in order to be impeached. Institution demands that. You are guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors a high crime is someone who does something. Detrimental to the interests of the nation so in essence we doesn't matter if president trump had a first amendment right as a citizen. What matters is how senators view what he said as presidents that say do you think he was acting presidential and do you think. He was acting in a manner consistent with his pledge to defend the constitution. 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We go on a journey with ted speakers to seek a deeper understanding of the world and to figure out new ways to think and create. listen now. we're discussing former president. Trump's second impeachment trial. We asked you if you think the former president should be impeached. And here's what some of you left in. Our inbox name is tom. I'm from central new york. I'm an independent. I tend to vote both directions. Depending on the candidates. I feel that the former president has been treasonous to the democratic process of the united states. I think he's made a mockery of everything that It stands for. And i think he needs to be treated as such. I don't think that will happen. I think they'll go through the motions and really it will all just be a moot point carol from jacksonville. I think that the impeachment of trump is craziness is no longer president of the united states. If he committed a crime there are plenty of federal courts. That could try him. I think the democrats who say they want unity Are not there. Being divisive and hateful. And i would like to see both parties. Get along and stop the foolishness. Tom and carol thank you for those messages original. I just want to be very clear The former president was impeached while he was in office by the house. But the actual Trial itself in the senate is happening after he's out of office does that affect proceedings at all. Well it's not gonna affect proceedings per se gonna potentially affect is again the result. I mean as we have seen the senate republicans very much rallying around this notion that This is a moot point and While they won't offend the president on the merits the former president them on the merits The very much seemed to be sort of latching onto this argument that we're going to be hearing about today From trump's team that he cannot be impeached at this point. We'll case sharpies has two questions. I wanna ask you. Rachel tweeted is trump. Going to show up. How would his presence or lack thereof affect the proceedings and is there any news of another potential uprising from his supporters. That we should worry about. So i do. We know that he planned rallies or protests related to impeachment so. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some protests here and there around the country. Nothing on the scale that we saw january six when the president at the time president trump actually called and summoned his supporters to washington to protest I think it's a good question because you know the homeland security department has sort warned that while january six is over dangerous order persists and that this threat out there is continuing and it's just another reminder that while this trial is taking place there very much our emotions that are still running raw on capitol hill lawmakers porters who sort of lived through The storming of the capital on the sixth. And so. I think that that's going to add a more even more emotional sort of flavor to what we're going to be hearing and how people are going to be reacting upon the health. The second question house. Democrats asked trump to testify last week. And he declined. Could he still be called to participate. Yeah i mean it's a good question. It looks like no clearly. The impeachment manners managers were trying to get him to come up and there was some reporting the first time. Trump was impeached. That he actually did want to show off on capitol hill but his lawyers kept him from doing so It looks like the same thing is happening this time. You know his lawyers. His defense team said he's not gonna participate. There's also a group. Bipartisan lawmakers Who have said something. Similar on capitol hill. We were hearing from democrats in the senate who said they. Don't want trump testifying. They don't want to hear from him either so it looks like that's very unlikely But again we'll see you can never predict trump. we got this email from catherine. Who says i thought it was the courts job to determine constitutionality. Is that true if so how is it that the senators many of whom are attorneys. Get to decide if this is constitutional. Jeff i presume. You're i the person who wrote in referring to the courts the supreme court and judicial courts This is really important that the constitution actually gives no role whatsoever to the judiciary to the third branch of government. With the exception of the chief. Justice of the united states is supposed to preside over the trial though. Actually the chief justice has no real power in this trial because the senate and this is an unusual case the senate is not a jury listening to the evidence the senate is technically its own court so the senate can make its own rulings in fact the senate could overrule the presiding judge. The senate basically gets to decide what the rules are. What happens when and also what this dancers of what. The standard of guilt should be. Well this is not is a political trial right. A political trial and an adam tweeted while not a criminal trial. Do democrats need to make the case as to incitement of violence as if it were beyond a reasonable doubt. Is this not an unreasonable ask. When trying someone for high crimes and misdemeanors wh-. What is the standard here. Well the standard. If this was a regular trial would be very very difficult to reach. Especially since the president said contradictory things in his in his message to his followers on january six he said be peaceful and then he said go fight. So were this a criminal trial. I don't think that there's really any likelihood that you'll get conviction but we don't need to have beyond a reasonable doubt. There is no standard that's outlined in the constitution for what a high crime is It's genuinely a you know it when you see it. Type of activity and the founders were very very clear that they understood a high crime to be when someone placed their own interest above the interest of the state or before the interest of the state when they thought that they were more important than the people that they were there to protect represent. That's all the senate needs to way at this. Point is whether or not they think. The president did something which was against the best interest of the american people. And frankly. that's it while republican senator. Lindsey graham of south carolina says he doesn't believe impeachment is the right course of action. Here he is on. Cbs his face. The nation speaking with margaret brennan is not a question of how the trial lands is a question of when it ends. Republicans are gonna be. This is an unconstitutional exercise. And the only question is will they call witnesses. How long does trial take but the outcome is really not in doubt doesn't mean what happened. On january six was okay amazes impeachment in the eyes of most. Republicans is an unconstitutional exercise. We also got this tweet from ryan who says i want to hear from people who attended the rally but didn't march down to the capital. What were they experiencing. Why did they decided it was best. Just go back to their hotel. Rachel what is this debate over witnesses and if the senate calls them who might we hear from. So there's been sort of this quiet back and forth going on Actually in the democratic party on the hill about witnesses at the the impeachment managers for a long time as they were sort of preparing this case. Sort of envisioned a trial where they would call in people that they thought could change minds. We're talking about capital police officers. Who were trying to defend the capital And saw one of their own actually die that day georgia officials Who pressured by president trump himself to overturn the results of the election To say their state went for trump instead of biden One went for biden former white house officials who were with president trump on january six and could testify to how he was acting. Was he delighted. What was he doing was refusing to Send additional support to protect people but the problem is there's very much a sense right now amongst Both biden administration and senior democrats on capitol hill. But they want this over with They want to move on and get biden's agenda agenda passed and so there has sort of been this back and forth going on where you have some democrats who want to lay out a full case beyond just looking at the videos in putting together. You know they're going to be presenting this real. That very much is going to take people through the timeline of january. Sixth and how We got to the storming of the capital. But do they go. Beyond that. And i think right now. There's a lot of sort of pressure to move on. Not just on the part of republicans but also on the part of again senior democrats. Who want to get on to biden's agenda in sort of see this as a distraction but this sort of raises a question That i think is a good one. I mean beyond trying to get enough senate. Republicans to convict How much do the managers have a responsibility to also persuade the public. Right If you look at polling right now you will see that. Republicans are very much behind president trump And it's it's interesting. You know jeffey we're talking about the nixon example and a nixon was really popular with his base. It took a lot of time for impeachment Investigators to build a case persuade these supporters of nixon against him and ultimately changed the tide. I guess you know the managers have a moment. They have a moment here where they could try to not just relitigate. What happened on january six but maybe even go further Tell us what did trump no before this. And what do we know during it. And how was he acting. Are they going to do that. It looks like they're not But we won't actually knew the answer that until the end of the week and if they sort of use this as an opportunity to bring in witnesses and hear more. We also got this message from james on facebook. Says if the president can't be impeached once he leaves office. What's to stop future bad actors from committing crimes during the lame duck session and i would love to hear from you. First rachel about how much this question is playing into the calculus around impeachment. This is i mean this is going to be to counter that we're going to hear from managers throughout the day today and it's this notion of you know if somebody just resigned from office and you can't impeach them does it sort of preclude them from facing accountability From ensuring that you know they don't do this again. And i mean that's going to be the thrust of Again what you hear. The managers say If you look. At the example of richard nixon who resigned before he was impeached. Is that the sort of precedent that they're going to set here If they say a president cannot be impeached after he leaves office that allows somebody in power to do things that are unethical to potentially break the law be shielded from it and then just resign when they're saying some sort of consequence coming down the pipeline that seems to be to some people a scary sort of thing and so that would be the counterargument. We will one hundred percent year From these managers who are presenting. 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That's not what we do because people cannot live on sirius alone. Listen now to the wait wait. Don't tell me podcast from npr back to impeachment in a moment but first tributes from around the world are being paid to mary. Wilson a founding member of the supremes. She died at the age of seventy six. The founder of motown records berry gordy called her a trailblazer who opened the doors for many singers who followed and throughout her career. She stressed how important it was for. People like her to write their own history. Here's mary wilson. Speaking to the bbc in twenty fourteen. My teacher told me when i was seventeen in seventeen years old. Still at motown at a lot of the fans aren't they will know. We were still the prime mets back. In those days we were four girls and my teacher told me. Says miss wilson. If you think you're going to go down to motown records and and keep wound recording and touring all stuff as you better. Pass my class and graduate from high school and so i wrote this paper and the paper. He gave me an a on it. And he says miss wilson. I think you should become a writer and forget a bossing at that singing in that little group and so i started keeping a diary from that day on now. It's turned back to the second impeachment trial of former president. donald trump. We asked you what you thought of the power of the presidency. And here's what kim in fort lauderdale told us. I have never understood why anybody. In the house senate congress or presidency have been able to have the power that they have and the inability to be removed when they're not doing their job properly. I don't believe any of these positions should be lifelong. I believe they should be elected and rotated more and powers should be revoked. When they're not being used properly period. I i i just don't understand why they're not. I guess the constitution doesn't allow us to move forward in our modern day. And maybe it's time to make those changes came sharing that with us. Just can you give us a bit of a historical perspective. How does this impeachment trial fit in with others. We've seen in the past boy. I'm glad i'm glad you asked. I was just thinking. How am i going to get into the the history. There's basically we've only had five examples in history of an actual impeachment trial. If if you include richard richard nixon which i do. We're starting to get enough to draw some conclusions. And i think the conclusion i draw is that there's basically two different types of impeachments. There's impeachments for personal conduct. Where president does something wrong. All think bill clinton and frankly think donald trump in the first impeachment trial. And then there's a impeachments where there's really a question as your your college suggested with is really a question of the constitution. Constitutional balance of power that where power is going to reside in washington of a president trying to accumulate too much power within the executive and that was certainly the case. I would argue for andrew johnson in eighteen sixty eight that the congress wants to back power that the presidency had tried to assume and frankly this is a moment where congress has the opportunity to reassert itself as a co equal branch of government. I think you'd be hard to find anyone that thinks at this point that the actual balance of power in washington between the three branches is in fact balanced at this point. Clearly the executive has been ascendant for frankly the entire twentieth century and onward but one thing to remember is after andrew. Johnson's trial eighteen sixty eight. We saw a period for the next generation where congress was able to become more ascendant. We're congress able to take back more power from the president. So if you're a person who believes that the constitutional balance of power is important. This is a moment that congress could stand up for its own institution if it so chose which is what the founders would have desired. We got this question. From kelley in michigan who asks i would like to know why donald trump is not being tried in a criminal court for inciting a riot especially now that he is a private citizen and bill tweeted. Are there ways to accomplish the same goals of this impeachment through federal court action. Jeff there are i mean. The constitution is very clear that the president could be tried for any crime that he can the actual crimes on the books that he commits while he's in office. And that is a an essence of more dangerous question. It seems to me because the penalty for throwing a former president of convicting former president could be jail time and in some cases honestly if it's treason it could be execution is outlined in the constitution lisa originally and that's a very dangerous precedent that we'd want that i'd be careful to go over about going in and evaluating the actions of previous presidents in order to throw them in jail. That's something that frankly. Our standard of democracy has not done to something we see in countries with less stable democracies around the world. I can't stress enough that the point of this impeachment. Trial is to make a statement. You yes it would be to remove a president from office. That's not relevant here but be it's to make the statement that what the president did was wrong now. Again that i think is equally important going forward as what happens to president. Trump's specifically in a criminal case going forward as well would him being acquitted by the senate a factor regular criminal trial. It certainly would. It certainly wouldn't sense that it would make it extraordinarily difficult for any prosecutor to want to bring the case. I mean i think this extraordinarily difficult even as it is to try to even think even conceive of putting a former president on trial for actions that they committed while in the white house. Now again i have to stress. I'm talking about actions in the white house so the other ongoing litigation the is about against trump for perhaps financial mismanagement arou- seasons before he entered the white house. That's a different question. And the supreme court has recently punted on the entire question of the president whether president trump violated the emoluments clause in the constitution. That is to say whether he violated the clause that says you may not use your office for profit basically said we don't need to address this anymore because he's not president anymore so any case that we have going forward of a prosecutor trying to essentially put the president on trial for what he did in office would be that almost unprecedented in american history. And i think if trump were acquitted in his senate trial as we all expect. That really is going to close the door on whether or not. He's going to be prosecuted for things he did while president. We got this question for mary about the benefits of president gets when he leaves office. And how an impeachment effects them. My name is mary and i'm calling from lewes delaware and my question regarding the impeachment is should he be impeached for the second time will still get presidential. Privileges post his term. For instance a presidential funeral. That will make me so. Angry by tax dollars are going to pay for his funeral. So rachel if if the former president is convicted what happens so if he is convicted lawmakers can basically moved to sort of take away benefits that he might have otherwise. Including there's this question about whether they could bar him from running for office again There's a debate right now about whether they could do this even if he is acquitted By the fourteenth amendment and basically passing a resolution saying that trump incited an insurrection and therefore he cannot run for office. This would be something they could pass on a party. Line vote but yes if he's convicted. I mean they could potentially try to pass a whole bunch of things in terms of barring him from office keeping him from having protection but the question is will they do that. Democrats try to do that. Even if he is acquitted. I wanna go back to something though. That jeff was talking about this notion of You know is this. The moment that congress are reasserts itself in terms of oversight somebody who is sort of covered the democrats trying to check trump for two years. Now i kind of walk. Look at this and a little more pessimistic lens. I have watched and reported out For two years as democrats have really tried to hold trump accountable on each time. He seems to sort of slip through the cracks. Whether it's ignoring subpoenas for their investigations blocking people from testifying And there was at one point. Talk a about a year ago right after trump was impeached for the first time about whether democrats want to talk tackle. These sort of post watergate reforms like after nixon left office. There was a bunch of changes that were made to sort of bolster congressional oversight. I think right now. What we're seeing is that congressional oversight has really Is really struggling right now. And there is really a question of sort of The checks and balances and do they work. Even if you know you know they get say. Ten senate republicans to vote to convict trump. What does the stay about congressional oversight. I think trump is very much set a precedent for future president who wants to ignore congressional oversight and get away from it. Get away with it. And so i wouldn't be surprised if you hear more talk about some sort of changes to four one example that i've heard come up a couple of times would be to require the federal courts to sort of litigation battles between the congress and the white house about documents and witness testimony in a quicker manner one of the problems that investigators on the hill have into trying to investigate trump is that they can't get the documents they need. The can't get the witnesses. They need to sort of build the case against him to convince the public that what he did was wrong and so i think that's that's a conversation that i think we'll continue. We haven't heard a lot about it right now because everybody's focused on this impeachment but congressional oversight very much has taken a hit in this you know under trump and so it is going to be interesting to watch and see do they try to reassert it not just with this this impeachment. But it's going to need more building up in the future. And what did they do about it. I can imagine people listening to our conversation and thinking about the relationship. Former president barack obama had with senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell and the way so much of his agenda was blocked so when we talk about this issue of the balance of power. Can you give us a broader perspective. There i think actually guilty of this anyone. We do a real disservice to our students in civics classes which is ultimately everybody in the country by referring to the constitution as set a balance of power. I think we should understand it. More as a struggle of power that the founders genuinely believed that it was inherent in human nature that any person any institution would want to accumulate power. And the way that you check one group one group one group of people or one individual from assuming too much power is to set them against each other separately. Throw everybody who wants power in the government into a steel cage match and is as long as you're struggling against each other. Nobody will be dominant. And i have to agree with rachel. The likelihood of major reform going forward that allows congress to take back more power from the imperial executive that we've seen grown up throughout the twentieth and twenty first century is very low but i also think this is a key moment if congress wants to ever stand up again and say we are co equal branch of government. This is a moment that they have not just an opportunity but an obligation to do so. That was rachel baid. She's the co author of politico playbook and she's currently writing a book on the impeachment of donald trump. It's expected to be released next winter. Also with us jeffrey angle. The director of the center for presidential history at southern methodist university. He's also co author of the book impeachment and american history. Rachel jeffrey thanks for your time. Today's producer was amanda williams. This program comes to you from w. amu part of american university in washington distributed by npr. I'm jen white. Thanks for listening and let's talk more soon. This is one a. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one. Welcome to banking reimagined capital. One checking and savings accounts have no fees or minimum and a top banking app. That lets you manage your money anytime. Anywhere capital one. Na member fdic.
November 2, 2018
"Good Friday morning. I'm Anna Palmer, there are four days until the midterm election. And welcome to your political playbook audio briefing sponsored by charter communications. And I'm Jay Sherman. I and playbook this morning. Al hunt is leaving Bloomberg news in December after fourteen years. He was most recently columnist for Bloomberg. But also serves its DC bureau chief hunt who will be seventy six in December will continue teaching course on press and politics at the university of Pennsylvania's Annenberg school for communications he spent the bulk of his DC career thirty nine years at the Wall Street Journal as a reporter and bureau chief with immigration taking such a major role in the elections. We started wondering yesterday whether there was a plan in place to fund president Donald Trump's border wall. Each person we spoke to in the capital said they had no idea how the fight would play out and noted that there are no serious talks underway yet this will need to get done this year. It is going to be a long eight weeks one constantly Trump's presidency is that he seems. Surprised by the constraints of the office. He came in a CEO of a family real estate empire to learn how to deal with congress congressional leaders and the guardrails around the executive branch, if Democrats take the house, Trump will be further shackled the policy preferences. He's a numerous at this moment new asylum policies militarize southern border and a new tax Bill would go up in smoke in divided government. Here's something that's pretty studying. Alaska Representative Don Young the longest serving member of the house who was first elected to congress in nineteen. Seventy two is down one point two least Galvin a democrat in an Anchorage businesswoman. The New York Times David Brooks is calling the election a realignment election, and that he believes the election will be shaped by people hardening into their categories CNN has a look at the early data more than twenty million early votes have been cast so far with women and older voters leading the way the leadership battles are already beginning. John Bresnahan and Rachel Baid report, the CBC one of its own speaker or majority leader which could be. Threat to Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer. However, Jim Clyburn told them he does not plan to challenge. Either of the Democrats. Meanwhile, Rachel and a lot of Schneider report that Pelosi has already been making a stealth play for speaker, including nudging donors toward candidates and appearing at private fundraisers with democratic hopefuls who don't want to be seen with her bubbly. Gabby yours up with the story that you can help president Donald Trump's obsession with immigration on the campaign trail is creating fear among some Republicans that the strategy could backfire on the world stage. Eliana Johnson has a story up looking at how Senator Ted Cruz and other hawks are looking to pressure Trump by introducing legislation that will pressure the president to cut off several Iranian banks from the global banking network known as swift. And Reuters reports that US job growth was expected to have rebounded in October Andrew stitches in Columbia, Missouri and reports that Trump has been treading lightly in his criticism of Claire mccaskill Zach monta Lara reports. That Iowa congressman Steve king's opponent is seeing a major uptick in donors following his recent contr. Versi on the investigations for the times is reporting that Roger stone acted like he was a pipeline to WikiLeaks during the two thousand sixteen Trump campaign. Here's what's on tap. For Trump's Friday. The president will leave the White House at two fifteen pm to head to Huntington West Virginia. He will headline a political rally at four PM afterward. He will find Indianapolis at seven fifteen pm there. Trump will speak at a political rally at Southport high school. He's spending the night in Indianapolis subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.
November 5, 2018
"Good Monday morning. I'm Jake Sherman. And welcome to your political playbook audio briefing sponsored by BP and Anna Palmer, we are finally here. Election day is tomorrow, the general consensus among Republicans is that they will lose the house and end up at least a five c minority that would correspond to a twenty eight seat loss. Senior Republicans tell us that even in a worst case scenario, they do not expect to lose forty seats by Wednesday morning House, Democrats and Republicans will be watching leadership races speed is important in these races. And the smart candidates will have already locked down at chunk of support by the end of the week. It should become clear who has momentum House Republicans will have their leadership elections next Thursday, November fifteenth Democrats have yet to announce their elections and much will depend on the election result. If Dem's take back the house Nancy Pelosi will begin wrangling the two hundred eighteen votes, she'll need to become speaker and those under her will begin working to secure half of the House Democratic. Focus if Republicans expand their majority in the Senate and lose the house watch for President Trump to boast about saving the Senate. But losing the house will ensure his administration will immediately be snared and investigations one question, we have could anyone point us to any money that Steve Bannon spent this election, he told various news outlets? He was gonna put in many millions of dollars to support House Republicans. We cannot find evidence he spent one dollar the leadership wrangling has already begun, Wyoming congresswoman, Liz Cheney is running for House Republican conference chairman, no matter what happens this week source working on her leadership race tells us in other words, if Washington state congresswoman, Cathy McMorris Rogers, the current occupant of that position ops to run again Cheney will run against her. Meanwhile, Rachel Baid Carla Marinucci and a lot of shore report that speaker Paul Ryan called the president Sunday for a final plea on behalf of anxious House Republicans, please talk about the booming economy. He said, but as the Washington Post reports Trump is continuing his anti immigration rants to post. Phil Rucker tweeted that Trump's campaign was playing. On his don't stop the music in Chattanooga. As aids tossed out free t shirts. The pop star on Twitter applied not for much longer me, nor my people would ever be at or around one of those tragic rallies. So thanks for the heads up. Philip Steve Sheppard has the latest politico morning console polling which shows the generic ballot has narrowed on the eve of the midterm elections. With Republicans cutting into Democrats lead the poll had forty three percent of registered voters saying they would vote for the democratic congressional candidate in their district only slightly more than the forty percent who would vote for the Republican candidate the York Times that CNN college have been running an interesting experiment. They've been pulling in real time through phone calls throughout the election. Here are a few new results that caught our attention. They have Kentucky six congressional district between Andy Barr and Amy McGrath tied at forty four percent also veteran congressman Pete sessions is down forty two forty six in his race in the Dallas area. Here's what's on tap for Trump's Monday that president will leave the White House at twelve forty pm. He's. Headed to Cleveland, Ohio where Trump will hold a political rally at the center at two forty five. Pm he will depart for fifteen for Fort Wayne, Indiana, there, Trump ahold of political rally at six five pm at the Allen county war Memorial Coliseum. Trump will fly to Missouri at seven fifty five pm he will headline political rally nine PM central time at the show me center before returning to Washington DC subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.
Why Nancy Pelosi is reluctant to impeach the president
"From the newsroom, the Washington Post. I need this is Tracey Jim Kelly from the post. Are you? The Washington Post. This is post reports. I'm Martine powers. It's thursday. Make thirtieth. Today. Nancy Pelosi's calculus, on impeachment by Israel is holding new elections. Andy mystery washing up on the shores of Alaska. So on Wednesday, Robert Muller gave his first and possibly last public statement about his investigation into the president's campaign. Once it was over. What were you thinking? I was thinking, oh, boy, here we go, again, the latest impeachment push is going to start five minutes ago. Rachel Baid covers congress for the best. And sure enough, it did its things a fair inference from what we heard in that press conference that, Bob Muller was essentially referring impeachment to the United States, Congress, a number of Democrats came out just after Muller went to the Mike and made his statement. Instead, it is time to begin peach mint. Dear God, this guy cannot in any way of allowed to be above the law. What we saw Wednesday was huge wear Muller came out publicly for the first time in basically said point blank that he felt he didn't have the thorny to charge the president didn't even consider it. And he basically kicked congress on that issue. We saw a number of chairman joined the impeachment push after that we saw a number of twenty twenty democratic candidates. Also come out. And so I knew this was going to sort of trigger more impeachment talk. The question was how much? A few hours later Pelosi the speaker of the house anti Pelosi express skepticism of that. And again said, we're just gonna keep investigating. It's not time because we have seen all these other things happen over the last few weeks that has also put pressure on democratic leadership to pursue impeachment. That's right. And I think that with every deadline that is missed for documents for Trump officials to appear before congress. Every time we have a situation like we had yesterday were Muller came out. We see more and more Democrats come out and say it's time to start impeachment. Pelosi has obviously been a skeptic of impeachment for months. She's worried that it's gonna blow back on the party, but increasingly Democrats are feeling like they have to do something. So for speaker Pelosi, what is her calculus here in terms of wing her concerns about impeachment with all of the calls that she's hearing from people from within her? Party. So we have as great anecdote that perfectly illustrates why she's concerned yesterday? Mike golic. Mike bonus was in Illinois at the exact moment that Muller was going on TV and speaking for the first time, and he was following around Sheri boosters who is the chairwoman of the House Democrats campaign arm. She's from a Illinois district that Trump carried one of about thirty Democrats from these sort of tough competitive districts, and even though the national attention and the attention here in Washington was all about molar and all about what it means for impeachment at a series of events. She had nobody brought up in peach mint, once nobody bought up molar, and I saw the same thing happen in another rural Virginia district earlier this week when I went out to Elaine lures district on the Chesapeake and Virginia. And I went to a town hall there and the constituents there were asking about healthcare, they're asking about gun control. They were not asking about impeachment. They were not asking about. You know, Kolding Trump accountable and this sort of perfectly illustrates why Pelosi is so wary of beginning impeachment because in these districts where the majority is actually made for the Democrats people don't really care about that. And since it didn't come up at the town hall that I was at I actually interviewed about ten Democrats who were there that night. And I asked what do you think of impeachment and a lot of them urged caution just like Pelosi. They said they were worried that it would distract from the issues. They care about that. They didn't want their lawmaker a democrat to actually begin or push to begin an impeachment inquiry. What do you think about this notion of impeach starting in a payment proceeding? Well, l hey, I was a public defender, I've given thought to that, but at the same time I don't choose to focus only on that because there's so many other pressing issues. And if peach route fails, then I would hope people would register to vote and make. Changes that way. Zinc right now, it seems like it's a double edged sword v started. It's just going to be killed in the soon as take it out. And so then does that give Trump talking point that they're attacking me? And I just think it's a sort of narrative that doesn't get told very often because the pro impeachment voices are often the loudest, but there's a group of Democrats who really worry that their constituents don't care about that. And these are Democrats who are the majority makers in the house. But also, those are questioned or concerned that are all brimmed around the election and about twenty twenty in about who's gonna be the next president. But there are also big questions of accountability and of the constitution and of what Congress's responsibility is here. That's exactly right. And I think most immigrants are feeling that right now you can see there's like a cognitive dissonance that they're dealing with where politically, they think it's a loser, but I have talked to a lot of. Kratz and including a lot of Democrats who haven't come out publicly to support impeachment who do think they have to do something. And one of them was telling me just before the recess, what am I gonna tell my grandkids if Democrats do nothing and they let the president stonewall congress and sort of get away with what they feel is obstruction of Justice? So how is this going to play out over the next few weeks and months? And what would it take to essentially force speaker Pelosi to being a position, where she has to say yes to pursuing impeachment? I'm not sure we know yet, you know, Pelosi has mentioned a fear that she has that Trump will lose twenty twenty election and refused to step down. Really a real thing that people think might happen. Philosophy has brought it up. Yes. And it's, it's interesting. She uses it as an argument for why they shouldn't do impeachment. Now she says they need Democrats need an overwhelming victory in twenty twenty so that there could be no question about who won. The election. So that is fear of hers, another thing I've seen tossed around is a lot of these subpoenas that are being ignored, they're going to the courts right now in federal judges are ruling about whether or not the Trump administration has to comply with congressional subpoenas for his financial documents or what have, you know, some Democrats are worried that Trump lawyers might ignore. What a judge says that the president might say, no, even if a judge orders him to turn over subpoenaed information that I could see pushing Pelosi to begin impeachment proceeding. But that's a long way away from now. So in her thinking, things have to be more agree jus- to justify going into impeachment. Yes. I think that that's fair people who are close with her have told me that they don't think she feels what was in the Mola report was enough Pelosi has over and over again, mentioned that the Senate would just to quit the president and. She is worried that since there were no charges out of Muller's investigation against the president. If the Senate acquits him that will be two bodies that basically, let him go and say, they're not going to charge anything. So would there be any positives from starting impeachment proceedings if they're kinda doomed to fail? So some of the democratic investigators are arguing that they could get more information if they began peach, my inquiry the reason they would get more information as because they think federal judges will weigh in fester. It can take years to go through the courts on subpoenas, the Republicans, when they controlled the house, they sued Eric Holder, who is the attorney general at the time for Obama for bunch of documents he refused to give them that took more than half a decade to get a lot of that information and they only got it after Democrats took the house. So as totally irrelevant. That is a huge fear of Democrats is that Trump is gonna drag all this stuff through the courts. In that is going to go beyond twenty twenty and they're not gonna be able to investigate him. Pelosi has pushed back on, that she's not convinced that logic, but there are Democrats, including the House Judiciary committee, which hasn't peach jurisdiction, who are out there arguing on a daily basis that if we begin an inquiry we will be more likely to get, you know, the Trump witnesses in for public hearings. We will be more likely to get the documents, we need to investigate that this would help us, which makes for a kind of interesting Chicken, Neck situation. Right. Because the ideas that there's not enough information to impeach the president. But then what is the best way to get that information by starting to impeach the president in Pelosi made that point yesterday after we saw this new clambering for impeachment? She said you don't impeach until you got all the facts. Well, they are Democrats who say we can't get the facts unless we actually opened in peach my inquiry. And that's exactly what you're talking about their chicken and egg situation. The other part of this is a lot of this is untested. We. Haven't gone through many beach mitt proceedings in US history. And so a lot of this theory about what people think might happen might be beneficial, but nobody really knows for sure. Rachel Baid covers congress for the past using that word to be dirty word the word dirty filthy, disgusting. Word on Thursday, as President Trump was about to board Air Force One. He responded to Democrats calls for impeachment thing is the scam is what of it's a giant residential harassment and honestly I hope it goes down. One of my greatest James. Because I've exposed eruption, I've been through up, just like nobody knew existed. Doc mistake him back up. She nine I'm fine. Chase me. For the first time in Israel's history, the parliament or Knesset voted to dissolve itself. This comes after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu failed to meet a midnight deadline on Wednesday to form a new governing coalition everyone will be will be able to pull this off, but we wake up this morning back in campaign mode. It's it's like groundhog day really loved him. Moore's is the Jerusalem bureau chief for the post beyond no everyone thought he'd won. But in Israel, actually, what really matches is if you can foam governing coalition Netanyahu was short by one seat. And Loveday says this unprecedented development is in part because of a growing cultural divide in Israel. To make coalition Netanyahu needed to bring on boards, ultra orthodox religious parties as well as his defense minister, Abdul Lieberman, who's known for being quite stop and fiscally secular. So that was a little bit of natural tension, there that he had to balance BB end Lieberman were loggerheads over a Bill to draft the ultra orthodox in the military, which Netanyahu couldn't really bend on to keep other people in this coalition happy, so now we have elections in September. So rather than coming up with a compromise doing the whole thing over again. Now normally the procedure is it would go back to the president. He'd he'd see if that was potentially someone else that could make coalition for various reasons. I mean Netanyahu really doesn't want that to happen when it would mean he wasn't prime minister, but he. Has a lot of other legal issues, which make this much more high stakes for him. His party was already fooding legislation that would have made him immune from prosecution, which would have protected him in three criminal cases against him where expecting his print diamond hearings happening toba. So I mean, there's a there's a lot at stake. Finessing yahu. He definitely didn't wanna see that happen. So no being able to make a coalition himself. The best tones he has of staying in power really is to go back to elections. Hope that the cuts full slightly differently with the parties, and that he'll be able to make coalition afterwards. So you said that one of the central points of contention here is this issue of the military draft, what is that all about? And why is that become a big enough focus that they're willing to dissolve the Knesset and do the election over again? A lot of people. Say this isn't the real issue. The real issue is a personal issue between Lieberman and that's in yahu. Maybe Lieberman wanted to go back to elections and thinks he can do. That's the thing he's taken issue. With is the draft law, basically, a couple of years ago, Israel, pasta, law, consenting conscription, every young Israeli goes to seven the military, but the law gave exemptions for religious Jews, who wanna go to your Sheva, instead and studied, the Torah the Israeli supreme court decided that was unconstitutional to give them special treatment, the government to the Knesset go and redraw this legislation. So basically, there's been a battle over this, the Haredi parties, obviously wanna keep exemptions for religious Jews. Don't wanna seven the military, but Lieberman very much wants to push through what is actually the current draft of legislation that gives. Quotas full the ultra orthodox to serve. It's a big issue, Israel. It definitely reflects a battle that's going one habit. Tween the, the secular and the religious and the religious parties really boosted boosted, that a number of seats in the Knesset this time round so the becoming more influential a lot of his rallies done like that. So President Trump has weighed in on what's going on right now in Israel. Like total would for Netanyahu, the great guy, great guy, and now they're back the debate stage. They're back in the elections that is too bad because they don't need this. When can we make of that it is an issue for the White House? Jared Kushner arrived last night in the Fiqh of the political kale's, just as the Knesset was being dissolved, and new elections were being cold. He arrived to talk about the peace plan the first step of the rollout of that happening at the end of June in Bahrain, they want to Bill support for that. So he's hit with Queen black Zona on a regional trip. And he comes in, I think they were expecting that to be an Israeli government today in the everyone would have nice photo shoots and shake hands with Netanyahu and say, congratulations on foamy government. And let's push forward with this. Peace plan. So now the peace plan is really in the at the White House, oversee been holding off rolling it out until after Israeli elections. But as far as picking a moment rolling out. I think it's really messed up the White House's window for that. I remember the last time we talked you described Netanyahu as something of magician that he continues to face allegations of corruption that he has investigations into possible wrongdoing that he is in, in many ways very controversial figure in Israel. But yet, he, he continues to get re elected in continues to maintain power. What's happening now? Does that stand to threaten Netanyahu's ability to get past this? It's simply dented his reputation as this slick political negotiator. This is. Whatnot and Yahoos really known full causing these coalition deals. But he didn't what he did manage, though is in a situation where another person would have conceded, defeat and handed the mandate to another candidate foam a government. He had Likud push push legislation through that would see new elections. So he's not giving up. He's definitely not giving up. He has a lot to lose. So you see that survival instinct of Netanyahu, kick in Likud forwarded this legislation a few days, actually, before the deadline, they put it through Fritz? I reading to dissolve the Knesset. So he's, he's always thinking one step ahead on his survival. Fischel. Loveday Morris is the Jerusalem bureau chief for the post. And now, one more thing a biological mystery. This is what scientists call an EMMY or massive mortality of. And Brady Dennis, I'm national environmental reporter for the Washington Post. The story starts in October twenty sixteen on this remote island Saint Paul island in the southern Bering Sea off the coast of Lasca, and this biologist was walking the beach came across a dead puffins on the shore. And then another the next day, and then a community member found a several more the day after that and day after day these Dead Sea birds kept washing up on this tiny island, which was incredibly, unusual rare, especially this time of year. In the end, they gathered something like three to four hundred of these and it pretty quickly became clear that these birds died of starvation. And so that began this mystery of why why did they starve to death? And why were they there this time of year when they should have been farther south should have already migrated? And so that got scientists into looking trying to answer those questions answered the mystery of, of why that was why that keeps happening in various burn populations. On wednesday. There was the study that scientists published looking back at this and one theory that researchers have about this is that the changing climate warming oceans have changed the ecosystem that changed where their prey moves have changed whether they have enough food to begin with. So that probably contributed to the death of these animals to see birds in mass just wash up dead on shores is sad, it self, but it tells you something is not right in the system out there in the ocean itself, just this past month. There was a United Nations report that found that roughly one million plant and animal species are on the verge of extinction, and that these changes could have real impacts on, on humans human health on, on how we survive and that a lot of these losses are due to human activity. Now, whether you can draw straight lines that and what's happening with puffins in the Bering Sea, I don't quite know research after research that I've spoken with said that each one of these is in the words of wine, like a bell going off. And then there's been many bells ringing lately. She. How she put it. Brady. Dennis covers the environment for the post. That's it for post reports. Thanks for listening. You can learn more about the stories in this episode by going to post reports dot com and join the conversation on Twitter, we tweet using the hash tag post reports, I'm Martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow. With more stories from the Washington Post.
January 19, 2021: The Final Countdown
"Stay tuned after the show for a message from. At and t. Good tuesday morning. It's president donald trump's last full day in the white house with a thirty four percent approval rating the lowest of his term and as one administration leaves power and another takes office. We've got a brand new team of writers taking over a new playbook newsletter for a new era. I'm ryan liza an politico's chief washington correspondent. I my name's tara palmeri and i'll be covering power and politics in dc. My name's eugene. Daniel's i am a white house reporter and co author playbook covering vice president kamla harris the first lady doctor joe biden and second jomon doug emhoff's and new power in washington. Dc hi guys. I'm rachel bathe in. I'll be your playbook booker on capitol hill covering congress. Your new playbook authors have a lot. They're looking forward to covering this year. A return to some of the normalcy of policy debate. I'm gonna be watching. How far left the progressives on capitol hill can move the biden whitehouse. How up communist harris is going to own this rope right. She was the first black woman to be attorney. General in california. This is nothing new to her and so how she does that in two thousand twenty one and what that means for her political future look out for all that coverage and more in the playbook newsletter your unofficial guide to official washington. I'm dan hurst. And welcome to your political playbook audio briefing democratic congressman. Jim clyburn of south carolina may arguably be the person most responsible for making president our new playbook team interviews him today at two thirty eastern shares. His plans as lead chair of the biden inaugural committee. You can find the registration link in your playbook newsletter or on the politico web site in the nation's capital over the past few days the overall vibe has been well pretty eerie. We've seen razor wire fences surrounding the capital army. Tanks and downtown washington in national guardsmen on patrol with more than twenty thousand of them deployed here or it is that defense officials were so worried about an insider attack amongst their ranks. The fbi vetted all national guard. Coming to dc as ryan. Eliza writes in today's playbook. This is the washington trump is leaving behind. He's also leaving behind. A narrowly split house in which the gop is now dominated by trump republicans. Well over one hundred of them voted to invalidate the results of the two thousand twenty presidential election at its fringes. It stuttered with queuing on conspiracy theorists that minority leader. Kevin mccarthy let flourish one of them even promises to draft articles of impeachment against biden on. Thursday trump isn't happy with mccarthy either reportedly calling him one of his favourite insults a quote pussy for not pushing hard enough to overturn the election. Results trump also leaves behind a senate where both leaders face immediate challenges. Mitch mcconnell will have to decide how far prestige trump the gop as he returns to the minority. Meanwhile senate source tells playbook author. Rachel baid that juggling democrats to coming priorities. The impeachment trial and biden cabinet votes is like trying to steer to freight trains colliding at one hundred miles per hour. Buckle up to me speaking of that impeachment. Nominations collision course speaker. Nancy pelosi has yet to announce windchill send the houses impeachment article to the senate trigger the second trump impeachment trial but playbook sources closely involved. Think pelosi will hold back until at least the end of the week and that proceedings won't begin until as late as next week. Things are still fluid as schumer and mcconnell workout homework for a trial but in theory holding off on that trial for a bit would give the upper chamber. Chance to approve several biden. Nominations this week tomorrow morning. All eyes are on who shows up for. Trump's final lift out ceremony at joint base andrews in maryland and in what looks like a desperate attempt to build up a crowd. An email has been making the rounds to current and former white house officials inviting them and as many as five plus ones to trump's elaborate exit ceremony. The invites have circulated so widely our playbook authors write that even anthony scaramucci got one the go-to excuse for skipping out the six. Am call time but truly many. Just don't want to be photographed sending off their former boss. Now as biden settles into office. Here's a i in playbook today biden's west wing power corridor. The most important space in the white house is the corridor between the oval office in the southwest corner of the building. Securing a spot is the ultimate sign of prestige. David axelrod pete rouse and rahm emanuel where the power trio there in the first days of the obama administration and for trump. It was jared kushner. Steve bannon interests priebus. The more spacious office at the west end is historically reserved for the chief of staff. And that's where ron clean will sit next. Door is steve for shetty who was chairman of the biden campaign. And it's now counselor to the president next to him is the smallest office in the row. But the one closest to the oval this little alcove which shares a wall with the president study will be home to mike donilon the messaging architect of the biden campaign who will now serve as senior adviser to the president in a white house with a lot of power centers confused. Staffers looking to remain in the loop will find here. Also playbook i look out today for. Incoming senate majority leader. Chuck schumer to designate a sweeping package of campaign reforms as the honorary. I bill of the new congress. The ford of the people act written by oregon senator jeff merkley is expected to include provisions. Making it easier to vote. Nationwide and limiting dark money and politics among other democratic priorities in the house. Democrats recently scrapped plans to vote on a similar measure earlier this month as our congress team has reported moderate democrats balked at the notion of publicly financing campaigns even as progressive view the legislation as a top priority as for biden in his first week in office. He's reportedly planning to cancel the keystone excel pipeline permit. Halt federal executions anderson the ban on transgender people in the military for trump's tuesday. The president has nothing on his public schedule before he leaves though per the washington post. He's planning to offer clemency to more than one hundred people. One of them rapper. Lil wayne aside from being one of trump's biggest fans he was arrested in two thousand nineteen after an anonymous tip led to authorities finding a gold plated pearl handled glock heroin and cocaine on his private jet also today pence will lead a white house corona virus task force meeting at two pm in the situation. Room the biden's will participate in a send off event in wilmington where the president-elect will speak and biden and harris will speak in the evening at the lincoln memorial reflecting pool event to honor people who have died from covid nineteen subscribe to the playbook newsletter at politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first. One hundred days of the biden administration subscribe to our transition newsletter. That's politico dot com slash transition. Pb and make sure to tune in today at two. Thirty eastern as congressman. Jim clyburn talks about his lead. Role in biden's inauguration. I'm adrienne her. And i'll see you tomorrow. 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March 2, 2021: Biden campaign promises head for the Senate graveyard
"Presented by the american investment council. Good tuesday morning. I'm adrienne. I welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing where today it might not be halloween. But play co author. Rachel baid is taking us on a trip to the legislative graveyard. Getting a little chilly in here just me. Okay rachel. this is creepy. I'm handing it over to you for years speaker. Nancy pelosi has bemoaned mitch mcconnell's quote legislative graveyard. The place where bill she shepherded through the democratic house would go to die as she likes to say. Now chuck schumer is about to become the cemetery caretaker. Democrats are looking at a serious hangover. Once they celebrate getting cove relief signed into law. Courtesy of the senate filibuster during a meeting with her leadership team on monday night. Pelosi laid out plans to turn her chamber over the next two weeks until a factory for democratic priorities. They'll move everything from election. Reform to a policing overhaul gun control. Plus women's rights and unions rights and a pathway to citizenship for dreamers. They're all things. Joe biden campaign for and they're all the away in the senate that is dead on arrival. Some may not even garner a single republican vote. Let alone the ten needed to break the filibuster schumer. The senate democratic leader appeared to hint at this coming reality when a reporter asked him last week when his chamber would clear the equality. Act another top priority. The house passed last week at the exact right time was his cheeky response. Translation have pass. Never probably because of the senate rules pressure on democrats from progresses to kill. The filibuster is sure to mount as the party's unfulfilled promises pile up but let's we need a reminder senator joe manchin when asked monday whether he'd ever change his mind on changing the supermajority rule barton. Never jesus. christ what don't you understand about. Never against that backdrop. Here's playbook handicap of democratic proposals. Coming down the pipeline. Hr one the for the people act last congress not a single. Republican voted for this election. Reform measure that would expand voting rights limit dark money and politics and curbed jerry mandarin and that was before everyone at cpac over the weekend unloaded on this proposal even donald trump mentioned. Hr one in his speech sunday night monster must be stucked. It cannot be allowed to pass and fox news is reporting that. Gop outside groups are attacking vulnerable democrats for backing parts of the bill. Schumer has promised to put the senate companion bill on the floor but with republicans around the nation looking to curb access to voting rights. I wouldn't hold your breath house passage coming this week. Senate prospects don't bet on policing reform senior democrats hope congresswoman karen bass of california and senator. Tim scott of south carolina can strike a deal at some point to overhaul how police treat unarmed black men in their custody but the two parties remain at loggerheads over qualified immunity or legal protection for cops which scott called a red line on monday night. Another problem for passage. There's no deadline without a real deadline. Let's face it. Congress is just about useless house passage expected this week. Senate prospects not eminent but a future deal is conceivable the fifteen dollar minimum wage. This is an interesting one. Yes it's about to get axed from the covert bill and no it's not gonna pass schummer puts it on the floor for a standalone vote but on monday night there were a bunch of gop. Senators including maine's susan collins and i was joni ernst expressing support for some minimum wage increase though lower than fifteen dollars an hour. Senator chris coons starting bipartisan. Talks to see if there is a compromise. House passage already happened last week. Senate prospects bleak at the moment but could reemerge. Also coming down the pipeline. Next week the house will pass a pair of gun control measures including expanded background checks and closing the so-called charleston loophole as well as a pro labor bill protecting the rights of unions to organize the following week. They'll move the long-stalled equal rights amendment the violence against women act and a series of immigration. Bill that will include a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and help for workers house passage. It's a matter of when not if senate prospects range from unlikely to not happening depending on the issue for all the pessimism. We're throwing at democrats this morning. The prospect of big infrastructure package actually remains pretty. Good the reason it can pass with fifty one votes via reconciliation. That with playbook rachel baid also today as we wait for the senate to take up the covid relief package as soon as tomorrow. What's going on with biden's owen be nominee for near a tandon lisa. Murkowski might be her last hope. The two met yesterday and when reporters caught up with murkowski afterwards she sounded pretty open minded. Saying i've got some more follow up questions but we had a good conversation based on a range of talks. Last night we'd raise the odds of murkowski supporting tandon. We wouldn't better nesting on it. But don't be shocked if it happens. Here are a few reasons. Why number one murkowski has long made it clear that she believes president should have wide latitude to pick their own people. Especially when it comes to presidential personnel and owen b.'s included in that number two murkowski's told other she was genuinely open-minded about tiananmen going into their meeting. Dennis consider murkowski one of the more straightforward. Gop senators who doesn't play games to quote arianna. Guerande she probably won't be switching positions on you number. Three saving the white from an embarrassing defeat would give murkowski a pretty big chick- going forward because centrists like her will continue to be key players in the senate and finally reason number four. The fact that murkowski met with her at all is good. News for tandon. Now a big caveat here there are still too key. Dem's who haven't said how vote cureton cinema in bernie sanders some buzz in the house this morning last night. Top house stemmed struck a deal with moderates on a sweeping anti-corruption bill after a furious round of weakened negotiations led by california rep. Zoe lofgren dem leaders agreed to tweak. Provisions on the public financing of elections thought. The moderates have long hated. According to multiple people familiar with the discussions the issue is a flashpoint for vulnerable. Dems and republicans are already seizing on it in a new round of attack ads. Now that it's got. The support of most moderates watch for the measure to come up for a vote tomorrow. The latest on the fight for fifteen dollars per weight is at ten dollars that's what. Gop senators floated and their minimum wage counterproposal. Which stems predictably batted away. But the senate parliamentarians ruling against including a minimum wage hike in the cove. Bill is making this clear. Chuck schumer probably needs ten republicans now on any successful deal to raise the minimum wage. Senator chris coon said this about the ten dollar. Gop proposal the nice thing about that is. It helped. Define the floor from which we can only imagine a pathway up. Meanwhile a plea for help this morning. From ten senators a group led by. Ron wyden bernie sanders and sherrod. Brown is sending a letter to biden urging him to include recurring direct payments and automatic unemployment insurance extensions tied to economic conditions as part of his upcoming infrastructure economic relief package aka. Build back better in other words. A de made told us if there's a prolonged downturn people wouldn't have to wait for congress to get together again before government aid kicks in the assistance would phase out as the unemployment rate falls. The letter is being circulated to senators and are expecting more to sign on a look ahead at the president's tuesday biden. Mvp harris will get the president's daily brief at ten fifteen this morning. A little after one will join a meeting with senate dem's by phone. He'll deliver remarks on the pandemic at four fifteen pm press secretary. Jen psaki will brief at twelve thirty in today in congress. The senate will meet at ten thirty to resume consideration of gina raimondo's nomination as commerce secretary at two fifteen. The senate will vote on remondo and on a motion to invoke cloture on the nomination of cecilia rouse to become chair of the council of economic advisers. Fbi director christopher. Ray will testify before the judiciary committee at ten. Am on the fbi's response to threats. After the january six insurrection. The budget committee will hold a hearing at eleven. Am on chilanga young's nomination to be deputy director and she's one of the top contenders to replace tandon for embiid director. If that numb flames out subscribe to the playbook newsletter at politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first. One hundred days of the biden administration subscribe to our transition newsletter. That's at politico dot com slash transition. Pb i'm adrienne hearst. Thanks so much. And i'll talk to you tomorrow.
January 22, 2021: What Biden did on Day One vs. what he promised
"Stay tuned after the show for a message from. At and t. Good friday morning. I'm adrienne hearst and welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing capping off. What is incredibly only the third week of twenty twenty one. A lot has happened in joe. Biden's first week in office. He followed through on most of his first day. Promises including mask mandates rejoining the paris climate accord's am strengthening legal protections for hundreds of thousands of people brought to the us as children. We're going to take a look at the promises he didn't keep and why but first. Here's what else is driving the day. This might slow down president. Biden's in the senate. America's first twice impeached ex. President might not get his second impeachment trial for several more weeks. At least not of mitch. Mcconnell gets his way the senate minority leader says donald. Trump's new legal team needs time to prep. Its defense against the charge that he incited insurrection. Of course the first time trump was tried in the senate around this time last year. Mcconnell made sure he was quickly acquitted he sends broken with trump and even whispered privately about convicting him. Colorado's skeptical mitch. But then and private call with his members yesterday. Cbs news reports mcconnell argued for a delay has democrats. he insisted gave trump zero due process. So it's only fair to give him some time translation if senate majority leader. Chuck schumer agrees. We could be looking at a mid february trial. Not great news for democrats who want to get to work on biden's legislative to do list on the flip side. The delay could give schumer more time to confirm biden's cabinet nominees. Meanwhile there's broad support building in the senate around on shot bid to dismiss trump's impeachment trial before it even starts relying on a disputed legal argument that says putting an ex president on trial is unconstitutional. The impeachment timeline isn't the only thing. Republicans could slow down in the newly split. Fifty fifty senate biden's top priority passing out one point nine trillion dollar stimulus package. He proposed also hit a major snag. Yesterday republican senators vowed not to give the package. The sixty votes at effectively needs to make it to the president's desk. Here's what republicans are thinking per politicos. Congress team put simply the senate. Gop says biden's proposals spins too much. Money comes too soon on the heels of congress's nine hundred billion dollar stimulus package from last month and that unless the proposal has major changes made to it or democrats us budget reconciliation to pass it with a simple majority. It is doomed on the senate floor after an interview yesterday with senior adviser to the president. Cedric richmond. playbook co author. Rachel baid broke down. What this means for the covid relief package and biden's efforts to work across the aisle aids lawmakers working behind the scenes for the past few days on this plan to sort of try to jam this bill through the congress on a party line to use this sort of fast-tracking tool called reconciliation. They were all geared up for that and then apparently president biden said no hold up. I'm going to try to work with republicans and so it sounds like right. Now they're going to defer to the newly elected president. See if they can do it his way. I know privately. A lot of democrats are skeptical that they can get republican buying and support for this bill But i think that this tug of war is going to be obviously something we are watching very closely Over the next two months amid this tug of war in congress the divide among house. Republicans is getting deeper in and the number three house. Republican conference chair lists. Cheney is having a rough week to put it lightly after joining nine other house. Gop members to vote for trump's impeachment. She's facing a mutiny. From more than one hundred house. Republicans who want her gone from leadership she just got a primary challenger in wyoming and a local county. Republican party in her district voted to censure her as politicos nelson known as and olympia. Beavers report trump ally elise stefanik of new york is making calls about running for chinese position if the conference outs her most. Gop sources are telling mel and olympia that cheney will hold on in the bar for her removal is pretty high. Here's the upshot. Though trump may be gone but this is still his party at least for now. Just listen to what house minority leader. Kevin mccarthy said about trump's role in the deadly capital insurrection after the riots versus what he's saying now mccarthy on january thirteenth. The president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters and mccarthy yesterday believing provoked if you listen to what he said at the rally. While trump's impact on the gop does not appear to be fading anytime soon. President biden is trucking the last remnants of his predecessor out the door english broadcast journalist. Tom newton dunn tweeted some oval office photos yesterday pointing out that it appears biden's redecoration included the removal of red button. That trump would use to call a butler to serve him. Diet coke now as biden up his first week in office. There are a few big first day promises. He missed that we're keeping an eye on. He didn't follow through on changes to the tax code or gun. Background checks among other things. And the reasons for this mostly boiled down to change priorities because of the pandemic one i promise. He scheduled a follow through on today though restoring federal employees rights to organize and bargain collectively a white house. Spokesperson told playbook or thinking about day. One promises not literally on january twentieth days even without that caveat by did indeed keep the overwhelming majority of day. One pledges that you're playbook team could find from his speeches press releases and interviews over the last. Two years for biden's friday the president. Mvp kamala harris will receive the president's daily brief at nine thirty a. m. eastern have lunch at noon and get a briefing on the economic recovery at two at two forty five biden will speak about the administration's economic crisis response and sign executive orders in the state dining room harris national economic council director. Brian deese will meet virtually in the evening with small business owners affected by the pandemic press. Secretary jen psaki. Indeed will brief at twelve thirty. 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March 17, 2021: GOP to accuse Biden of unlawful border actions
"Presented by amazon good wednesday morning. Mitri and i welcome to your playbook daily briefing picture this while you sit down today a delicious homemade lunch that's really not a frozen burrito eaten over the sink for the third day in a row over on the hill a group of twenty senate republicans will be lunching together. Trying to make bipartisan progress on a buffet of hot button issues. I know what you're thinking bipartisanship over lunch in this economy and play booker's far be it from me to tell you not to be cynical in fact we've got the scoop in just a minute on one major way. The right is going to rock the boat today. So yes the chances of anything. Substantial coming out of today's bread breaking are not exactly high and privately the senators all know it. Progressive are pulling biden and the party further left. They do not want to dilute their goals while the gop's already in a takeover in the midterms on the other side of today's lunch table. Moderate republicans are feeling gloomy. They thought they'd be right in high with biden in the white house. Democrats they could maybe just maybe cut deals with those hopes. Were dashed early with the pandemic talks. Although dem say shir john to the idea that the gop was ever genuinely interested in getting to yes now with the next big debate on the table infrastructure. Few people are expecting the outcome to be any different. There's also plenty of skepticism that this could happen on the minimum wage. Police reform immigration even legislation to address violence against women. In theory. there is a middle ground on all of these issues. But there's no sign the will. Is there among the people who could make this happen. Chuck schumer might also find it politically advantageous to put more liberal versions of bills on the floor force. Republicans vote against them and then t up the ads painting republicans as anti women anti equality and anti immigrant. Going that route would also give the left a stronger justification to nix the filibuster which is what they ultimately want for today. A group of twenty can at least enjoy their lunch. Now back to that scoop. I mentioned we've got two numbers driving the day in washington. Sixty two and forty. Your playbook co author. Rachel betas here this morning. Good morning playbook irs. She's going to break down what these numbers mean and why they matter sixty two. That's the percentage of people who strongly or somewhat approve of the job. President joe biden is doing at least. That's according to a new politico morning console pull that also puts support for his pandemic relief. Bill at over seventy percent. These are the numbers. The white house wants to talk about this week. But then there's this other number forty that's the number of senate republicans who are set to accused biden of committing unlawful. Acts by freezing. Congressionally appropriated money for the border wall on inauguration day in a letter to the nonpartisan government accountability office today the senate republicans will argue. That biden's move was not only unsanctioned by congress but that exacerbated the crisis on the border that we're seeing unfold right now in an interview with abc's george stephanopoulos tuesday night biden may news on two of the most controversial aspects of young presidency the filibuster and on immigration on the filibuster. He said this. I don't think you have to eliminate the filibuster you have to do it. What it used to be. When i first got the senate and back in the old days when you used to be around there and that is filibuster you had to stand up and command. The floor as playbook notes a talking filibuster. What biden was talking about. Won't necessarily mean getting rid of the sixty vote threshold so if you're a liberal activist calmed down right now. We still don't know what biden means until the elaborates on immigration. He said this. I can say quite clearly. Don't come and what we're in the process of getting set up. Don't leave your town or city or community. Administration officials have said this before but as the country is on pace to encounter more individuals on the southern border than we have in the last twenty years. Biden's comments show just how serious the situation at the border has gotten that was playbook co author. Rachel baid some more details on that senate. Gop letter. it's led by alabama republican richard shelby. The ranking member on the senate approves committee. he and at least thirty nine of his. Gop colleagues are calling on the government accountability office to pro biden's move suspending border wall construction and freezing funding for it appropriated by congress the groups pointing to the surge of migrants and increase in border apprehensions. Their argument biden's actions quote directly contributed to this unfortunate yet entirely avoidable scenario. According to an early copy shared with playbook the letter will argue. That biden's moves are a blatant violation of federal law and infringe on congress's constitutional power of the purse now. Interestingly the letter will cite. Gao's move to call foul on trump's decision to cut off military aid to ukraine without the hills consent remember that was a central charge and trump's first impeachment trial now. Republicans are saying biden. Essentially doing the same thing. Meanwhile the help is here to work continues today. As biden's team sells the cove relief package to americans and the good news for joe is it's not gonna take a lot of work that's according to a new politico morning console poll which says nearly three out of four voters support the new law. Just about one out of every five say. They're not big fans of the package. As our campaigns guru steve sheppard rights unsurprisingly support is nearly universal among democrats ninety five percent amstrong among independence despite the lower earnings zero support from republicans in congress. That's not how. Gop voters feel their split in the poll actually with forty four percent supporting it almost half and slightly more forty eight percent opposing it. The the gop is making here though is the support won't last for long. The overwhelming sentiment within the republican party is that voters will turn on the one point nine trillion dollar bill over time but that wait and see a protest baffled some gop luminaries and trump world figures. Who fear party did little to dent. Biden's major win now. Republicans state attorneys general appear to be standing with their friends over on the hill rather than gop voters on cove relief. The washington post reports. Twenty one of them are threatening to take action against the biden administration over the new law. They specifically have beef with the three hundred and fifty billion dollars. The bill sets aside for cities counties and states that have been hit hard by the pandemic. Why because the bill doesn't allow states to use those books for local tax cuts and a letter yesterday. They called that stipulation quote unprecedented and unconstitutional three more items driving the day. I breaking overnight a horrific shooting spree in atlanta shootings at three massage. Parlours left eight people dead authorities. Say six of them were women of asian descent raising fears of more targeted anti-asian attacks. The group stop aap. I hate which tracks reports of racism against asian americans reported yesterday. It's gotten almost four thousand complaints since last year. A suspect has been captured last night. Shootings and npr reports police in new york and seattle are bolstering law enforcement in agent american communities in the wake of the attacks second that russia report yesterday the us intelligence community said in a long awaited postmortem that russia tried again last year to help trump win the white house. Adding the mary tactic in that effort was the spreading of corruption allegations involving biden and ukraine top dims and congress are hailing the unclassified report's release and urging election security to become a bipartisan issue. Post trump and finally the next healthcare fight politicos healthcare team report stems are treading lightly on biden's next big healthcare promise. They're betting that after years of spiking healthcare costs and the gop's failed attempts to throw obamacare out the window voters in the tightly. Contested twenty twenty. Two midterms would reward dense for tackling healthcare costs so now those lawmakers and allies who want a public option to compete with private insurers. They want the party to muscle through an idea. That's long been popular with the base while it still has the majority in congress now. A look at biden's wednesday. The president will attend a mass an honor of saint patrick's day at eight. Am in wilmington delaware at nine forty. He'll head back to washington and get the president's daily brief aboard air force. One by didn't is scheduled to return to the white house at ten thirty five and then hold a virtual bilateral meeting with the irish pm at one o'clock in the oval office. Vp harris will also have a slate of virtual meetings with irish leaders today and will swear in michael regan as epa administrator at four pm. The white house covid nineteen response team and public health officials will hold a briefing at one. Thirty press secretary jen psaki and education secretary. Miguel cardona will hold briefing at three subscribe to the playbook newsletter at politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first one hundred days of the biden administration. Subscribe to a transition newsletter. That's at politico dot com slash transition. Pb i'm adrienne hearst thing so much and i'll talk to you tomorrow. The federal minimum wage has been stuck at seven twenty five an hour since two thousand nine in the same time. Food and beverage. Costs have increased. Eighteen percent transportation costs up sixteen percent. Housing costs up. Twenty three percent and medical costs up thirty. Two percent in two thousand eighteen amazon introduced a starting wage of at least fifteen dollars an hour for all. us employees. A new independent study found that amazon's wage increase produced a two point six percent increase in the average hourly wage other employers in the same market. Learn more at about amazon dot com slash fifteen.
March 11, 2021: Is Bidens next bid for bipartisanship dead already?
"Presented by the american beverage association. Good thursday morning. I'm adrienne hearst and welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing so it didn't happen with covid relief but president biden says. He really really wants to go. Bipartisan on his next to do infrastructure week okay maybe not infrastructure week but yeah infrastructure so now that cova date has finally made its way to biden's desk and he's expected to sign that tomorrow has the president's next bid for bipartisanship already sailed play but co author. Rachel baid breaks it down for us at this early stage. There's every indication that the gop is actually less likely to cooperate on this spill than with pandemic relief. And here's why number one. The cost biden campaigned on two trillion dollar infrastructure climate plan but already there's talk among some democrats about going as high as four trillion dollars. The bigger than number goes the harder it's going to be garner. Gop support especially because congress spent one point nine trillion dollars on a pandemic relief. Bill zero republicans supporting that also consider this only three house. Republicans support democrats one point five trillion dollar version of very similar proposal last year which paired transportation and climate back. Then senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell called this quote multi thousand page cousin of the green new deal masquerading as a highway. Bill we're told that exact same bill is probably going to be the starting point in the house for this new infrastructure package and then that numbers only gonna go higher from their second reason to be skeptical the scope with the senate filibuster clogging up the rest of democrats agenda for basically the rest of the year progressive. See this as their best and possibly only chance to get something major through congress. They're already talking. For example about lowering the medicare eligibility rate or talking in the long sought public option other democrats want to make the newly expanded child tax credit permanent. Which is gonna cost another trillion dollars. That's to say nothing about expanding broadband combating climate change in addressing racial inequality all top priorities for biden republicans. Want if any of these add ons. Keep it to bridges roads trains in the like. They say third reason to be skeptical. Tone our colleague. Sam mintz who covers transportation. Points out that pete buttigieg. The transportation secretary seems to have adopted the white house's new definition of bipartisanship. I e support from gop boaters does not necessarily mean support from republicans on the hill. This is not a good sign for the beginning of bipartisan. Talks number four pay papers during the campaign biden proposed tax in corporations and the wealthy to pay for his plan but look republicans are not gonna vote for tax hikes especially if it would mean giving biden a win heading into the midterms footages has been suggesting that maybe they don't need to pay for this at all pointing out that interest rates are low for borrowing borrowing heavily to pay for a package would also repel the gop not to mention further balloon. The deficit the bottom line. Here is this sam. Who's going to be my guest on politico's nerd cast on friday gives democrats about a seven out of ten chance of getting something big pass on infrastructure. But if they do he says. it's not likely to be bipartisan. this is what he tells me quote. I don't think the question the senate is going to be get ten. Republicans to vote for this given what they've talked about and what they want to do with this bill and how big they want it to be. I think the question is going to be. Can you get joe mansion to vote for it. That was playbook co author. Rachel baid and looks like the name on. Everybody's lips is gonna be mansion for at least a while longer coming up. Today we've got biden's. I ever primetime address as president. Expect the passage of the one point nine trillion dollar. Kobe built serve as a backdrop for the speech which starts at the oddly specific time of eight two. Pm eastern from the oval office biden's expected to talk for no more than twenty minutes touching on the lives lost to and affected by covid. Nineteen the vaccination effort so far. And what's coming next to tackle the pandemic senior administration officials. Tell us to watch for a formal announcement from the cdc on this sobering stat. The us death rate spiked by fifteen percent last year as a result of the pandemic making it the deadliest in us history covid nineteen was the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Altogether the cdc found more than three million people in the us died in two thousand twenty. The upcoming report will mark the first time the agency has publicly acknowledged that the national death rates spiked last year and i- covid nineteen played a role in the increase according to cdc data. The two thousand twenty hike is the biggest since nineteen eighteen when in the midst of world war one. Hundreds of thousands of people died of a flu by comparison. The death rate decreased in two thousand nine hundred by one point two percent. Compared to the two thousand eighteen toll sources said the report has been expedited for review within the cdc at the agency racist to formalize more studies on covid nineteen deaths last year. Senior officials at the agency headquarters in. Atlanta are also anxious to showcase the work. The cdc is doing to better understand how the virus has affected communities of color as biden gets his pen. Ready to sign one point nine trillion dollars of relief into law. Tomorrow which will be two days after the house cleared it with no republican support and one democrat hold out means jared golden and outside progressive group is spending big bucks to protect them. Who backed the package. A i in playbook. The group house majority forward is launching a one point four million dollar ad blitz this week to bolster nine vulnerable how stems including illinois lauren. Underwood and new. Jersey's andy kim. Dem say they're not going to repeat the mistake. They made in two thousand nine when the party failed to defend their stimulus bill and then paid a political price for it. The group is one of the first to go on offense for these stems all top. Gop targets in two thousand twenty two for passing pandemic relief. Meanwhile some bad blood in the senate is further crushing any hope of bipartisanship in the biden era. And you can't even call chuck and susan. Frenemies politicos burgess. Everett dives into the long running bitterness between shumer and collins writing the majority leader and the moderate maine. Republican have zero relationship to speak of. That's after collins beat back schumer's efforts to deny her a fifth term. The awkward dynamic could spell problems for schumer in the coming months if his narrow majority needs collins. Vote the best schumer zinger this week. He fired back to blame. Collinses fiscal conservatism for making the last financial crisis. Worse in shrinking. The obama era stimulus. Bill chuck said this in an interview with c. n. You know we made a big mistake. In two thousand nine and ten susan collins was part of that mistake and the best collins singer this one quote why chuck seems to be going out of his way to alienate. the most. Bipartisan member of the senate is a mystery to me and it must just reflect his extraordinary frustration at having wasted one hundred million dollars in the state of maine in an attempt to defeat me and for me to win by strong margin. Will bad blood is putting it lightly also this morning and update on some biden nominees. Yesterday came the historic confirmations of ohio. Marcia fudge for hud chief. The first black woman to lead the agency and over forty years and north carolina regulator michael regan to head the epa. The first black man to ever run the agency and finally note on texas politics. Matthew mcconaughey says a run for texas governor is now a real consideration for him. All right a look at biden's thursday the president. Mvp will get the president's daily brief at eleven thirty this morning and a weekly economic briefing at fifteen pm. Biden will deliver that primetime speech on the anniversary of the pandemic shutdown from the oval office at eight. Oh two pm. Harris will meet virtually with american. She's met over the first fifty days in office to talk. Covid relief at one. Forty five pm shall swear in. Merrick garland as a g. at five fifteen pm press secretary. Jen psaki will brief at twelve. Thirty subscribe to the playbook newsletter politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first one hundred days of the biden administration. Subscribe to our transition newsletter. That's at politico dot com slash transition. Pb i'm drian hearst. Thanks so much. And i'll talk to you tomorrow. America's beverage companies are working together to reduce plastic waste in our environment. Not all plastic is the same our bottles are made to be remade. Were carefully designing them to be one hundred percent recyclable including the caps. And we're investing in community recycling programs so that every recycled bottle week back can be turned into the material. We use to make new bottles that completes the circle and reduces plastic waste. 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Glare of public outrage budges Trump admin on medical deferrals
"The show we at nine eastern on m._s._n._b._c. we're gonna be joined by phone in just a moment live by the prime minister of off the bahamas country that has been in right now continues to be just absolutely pummeled by hurricane dorian the bahamas of course our nation of about about four hundred thousand people about seven hundred islands in the bahamas the devastation there from hurricane dorian is is not evenly spread to say the least the focus for rescue recovery now is on the places in the bahamas that have been hardest hits hardest hit and it's all just almost impossible to visually take again what you're looking at here but this is what it looks like as of now in the avocado islands which is part of the northern bahamas. This is less than two hundred miles else off the florida coast hurricane dorian hit avocado on sunday as a category five hurricane with winds that reached more than one hundred and eighty eighty five miles per hour. This is the most powerful storm to ever have been known to have hit. The bahamas prime. Minister hubert menace announced just in this past our that the known death toll in his country has risen to seven before tonight. It had been five now seven. It is feared that that toll will further rise is for the reasons you can see on your screen right now. This widespread devastation in the bahamas as aerial photography is finally able to get in there and as people are finally able to get in there to see the results of what has happened with that storm. I mean beyond the hurricanes shear strength the death and destruction. I an avocado and on the neighboring island of grand bahama are in part the result of how static dorian has been how slowly it has been moving the storm basically basically stalled over grand bahama for forty one straight hours to get a sense of what that means the washington post described as the equivalent of a strong tornado and a flash flash flood happening at the same time but roaring on and on and on for more than a day and a half tornadoes don't usually last a day and a half for visual visual perspective. I know that some of these images are sort of hard to place in part. This looks sort of like a boat out on the ocean out out in the open ocean like maybe you're looking from a vessel here. This is actually a view taken at the international airport. This is the airport in freeport in the bahamas. Which is the nation's second largest city. This is not a boat out on the ocean. This is the land or what used to be at. This is the international airport. This is the town of marsh harbour on avocado. Just entirely underwater the fact that dorian wouldn't move that it was stuck there for so long <unk> has meant that it took a long time to get these images it was basically impossible to get a sense of what had happened there and to get relief efforts underway until the eye of the storm. Finally he moved off grand bahama which only happened this afternoon as the washington post reports tonight. Emergency responders are now conducting quote targeted rescues on on the facebook page of the prime minister's office. The government asked people stranded on grand bahama to send their g._p._s. locations via whatsapp one user posted quote freeport gospel chapel multipurpose building meaning. I'm trapped there. I need rescuing there. Another person posted quote hi stuck by grand central four way in plot in excuse me grand central four-way. Please send help holding onto a wall. The people sending live reports with their g._p._s. coordinates. What's happening them to the facebook page of the prime minister. You have to try try to save people however you can in circumstances like this but again. This is the strongest storm to have ever been known to hit the bahamas joining us now by phone from nassau from the capital of the bahamas. Hamas is prime minister hubert menace mister prime minister sir. I know this is an incredibly difficult time. I will not keep you long but thank you for taking a moment to talk with us about what's happening there. Thank you very much. I know sorry that you were able to survey the damage in the bahamas among other places from the air today you were able to get up in a plane and can you tell us what you've been able to see as we were able to survey obstacle wannabe islands that was hit by this monster hurricanes arkansas' and the damage is less in the southern. <hes> area is more progressive as it moved north as we enter the airport with international airport and mice however we find that the runway and joining areas on the water and therefore no aircraft can land bring any form of relief and i'd be moved for the north. We know that <hes> <hes> marsh harbour area has been decimated. I would estimate that at least sixty percent of the homes and mice however has either been destroyed or or or by damaged <hes> the an area to be called the mud <hes> <hes> many of the asian nationals <hes> live that area has been completely destroyed and as we komo for the north i'm heading into the cooperstown other northern areas find that i'm the roadway is flooded flooded and in some aspects would be broken therefore there's no <hes> roadway transportation network between the north central. They're different communities and <hes> the uproar in the traffic area thirty one the northern settlement that airport though the runway is usable well. There's no access between the main road and the airport because that's joining thoroughfare is again flooded and underwater and there was a community unity <hes> the home within that community a gravely damaged passionately destroyed and <hes> that right lease. It's about thirty individuals who were standing outside the home on on dry ground would be considered relatively high ground those individuals repassed by were the being yellow cloth any type of clothing that they had available to them <hes> trying to point out to us that they were still alive and needed some form of assistance at elite <hes> that exact location was mopped and <hes> information was sent to <hes> helicopter in the nearby i <hes> area and those three individuals would have been rescued and transported to safety so basically <hes> what we're seeing with <hes> with <hes> avocado at this particular time the not yet surveyed grand bahama is not a clear yet so we cannot <hes> so they grandmamma but we expect to find quite a bit of devastation there and damage as a result the flooding. I you know the full the storm essentially <hes> fell asleep on grandma which would have <hes> even more damaged you can imagine <hes> being battered by one hundred and eighty to two hundred miles power wind for an excess of almost two days that can be very devastating mister prime minister so that the amount of devastation that you were describing avocados if you were able to get up and see today from the air when you describe neighborhoods with sixty percent of homes destroyed or damaged other neighborhoods that appeared to be entirely destroyed coupling coupling that with what you were describing about the infrastructure in terms of roads and airports being inundated in unusable have to ask if you feel that that evacuation orders were successful will there be large numbers of people that need rescue efforts in avocado or where people largely evacuated from the areas that were most resilient goup which you will find that even if <hes> evacuation after i leave cetera you find that the average behemoth want to stay in their community and rebuild the face challenges. I'm just not as bad as this before. These faced many hurricanes where areas and communities would ever stated and community tend to come together. Ah rebuild homes built at a very great standard building codes were built to withstand about one hundred and fifty miles per hour in the never expected that they would wendy encounter the velocity as high as one hundred the eighty to two hundred miles per hour but we would take the lesson and we would even build our strengthen our cords <hes> even more to ensure that <hes> the <hes> <hes> protected and protect ourselves and prepare as best we can in the end that straw that <hes> storms <hes> approach shores with even greater velocity but the billion people and <hes> <hes> stay and rebuild <hes> we would not leave island to move another survey in terms of people people who may still be there and who may need help either on grand bahama or anybody remaining an avocado especially as the storm now moves away from the bahamas and people start to emerging realized what around them and realize that they may not be able to travel is there communication are cell towers down are people able to communicate <hes> <hes> who who may need help as he passed through the arbuckle area <hes> several of our towers down and communication is limited <hes> we're using satellite phones to communicate with the various areas <hes> still in some areas. We're getting what up messages going through so <hes> communicating prior to that but <hes> as soon as the all clear is given even you can be assured that <hes> <hes> vessels on international community will be there and would commence rebuilding building their lives immediately <hes> were happy that <hes> but great for legacy that the storm had not hit <hes> economic engine of obama's which is new problems <hes> this is men tourist destination and they can see that new providence was not attached to the hotel airport street infrastructure telephone systems. Everything is still one hundred percent folks. No just <hes> just is was before hurricane those islands that are here that were hit does not necessarily affect new providence i economic engine functions and economic engines will use it our resources to help rebuild those two islands prime minister hubert minnesota nisa the bahamas sir. Thank you so much for giving us some of your time tonight. People around this country and around the world are obviously expressing concerns in prayers for the people of the bahamas. Thank for helping us understand. What's happening there so good luck. Thank you very much a live report there from the prime minister of the bahamas. He just completed a press conference earlier tonight. We're able to get him on the phone grateful for his time. As i mentioned earlier hurricane dorian i wall did finally move off of grand bahama this afternoon the prime minister mr saying there that it was as if the storm went to sleep over grand bahama island it is here the prime minister say listen. We'd build one hundred fifty mile an hour wind standard here. We didn't expect to have one hundred and eighty mile two hundred mile an hour winds for that sustained period right again strongest strongest storm to ever know ever known to have hit the bahamas now that the iowa has moved off of the bahamas. It is still moving slowly toward the u._s. Coast and and it is still a hurricane. Doreen is now a category two hurricane. It's gone from tropical storm two one two two all the way up to five. It's now back down to two right now. The winds are topping out at as you can see there about one hundred ten miles per hour. According to the national hurricane center they expect the storm now to move what they call dangerously close close to the florida coast and the georgia coast late tonight through tomorrow and into tomorrow night's then they expect it to be near or over over the coast of south carolina and north carolina <hes> through friday morning florida's east coast is already getting rain from the outer bands of dory and right now there are hurricane warnings and storm surge warnings in effect for most of the southeast coast. There are mandatory evacuation orders along the coast of florida and georgia and south carolina. We we expect north carolina's mandatory evacuations to begin tomorrow morning so again we will continue to track dorian as it threatens the united states. Those scenes from the bahamas is are absolutely devastating interesting to hear the prime minister there talk about the economic engine of the hamas being alive and being relatively untouched by the storm. He's talking that is being key to being able to mount rescue and rebuilding efforts and avocado and grand bahama that were so badly but we're just starting to get the first images off of those this island's because the storm just stayed there for so long so we will stay on that over the course of tonight. I also want to update tonight on a story that we covered pretty intensively intensively last week. This was a story i broken by w._v._u. Our public radio station in boston and by commonwealth magazine in massachusetts was also picked up thereafter by the boston globe and the miami herald then ultimately by the new york times but when this story first broke it massachusetts it was based on a couple of cases that centered around boston children's hospital boston children's hospital really elite children's hospital and it was almost as an unbelievable evil bit of news when this first started to emerge in the northeast last week there had been no announcement about this from the trump administration the only way anybody learned this trump administration plan was unfolding was when individual families started receiving letters from the trump administration that they had no warning of they couldn't believe them when they received them. They didn't know what to make of them. They started to turn to doctors and lawyers and advocacy groups to help for help with understanding what this could mean but the longest shortest the cartoonish lee evil caricatured bottom line of it as we the merged last week and as we reported here on the shell last week is that the trump administration had had somehow figured out a way to zero in on kids with life threatening illnesses kids with cancer kids with cystic fibrosis kids with rare diseases for which they they need specialized delicate advanced medical care of the kind that you can only get at elite children's hospitals the trump administration in their wisdom figured your daughter way to find those kids and those families in america and target them target them in some cases for death the trump the station with no warning started sending families of those kids in those situations letters telling them that even though those kids were here in this country legally to receive lifesaving medical care the trump administration has decided in its wisdom that that was no longer reason for those kids to be allowed to stay here so those parents needed to stop getting lifesaving medical care for their children and they needed to get them in their families out of this country within thirty three days. They all got the same boilerplate little letter this policy this program no longer applies. You need to be out in thirty three days. No appeal no referral that's and as i said this started as a local local story in massachusetts i think it took a few days to boil up into a national news story in part because who could believe this was really happening right. This was so oh indefensible. This is so morally repugnant literally. They're targeting kids with cancer now. I think the national press corps may not have been able able to fully sort of that. This really was the trump administration had decided to do next <hes> but this is real news. This is a real thing they've been doing and they're targeting. These kids actually extended to kids and families who were literally invited to come to this country by america's best children's hospitals invited here not as charity cases heartstrings cases where america was being generous literally. These families and these kids were invited here simply because american medical researchers needed needed access to these kids to try to develop cures to rare diseases. I don't know if you ever wanted to be a doctor. When you were growing up. I was always israeli squeamish about needles and blood and everything so i knew that i could never do it so it was never one of my fantasies ever but i know that for all the people who do end up becoming ming doctors and medical researchers in this country there are thousands more americans who grow up having this kind of superhero fantasy about how cool it would be to become a great doctor right right how cool it would be to become a groundbreaking medical researcher. It's an understandable like childhood fantasy right one of the great super heroic conquests. You could imagine imagine for yourself as one of the world's great doctors. It's one of the world's great researchers would be if you could come up with a cure or treatment for previously untreatable rare disease imagine what that would mean how meaningful that would make your life. If that was your life's work right. There are real doctors. There are real super heroic roic doctors who do that kind of work at the best children's hospitals in the world many of which are in the united states but that work doesn't just happen by genius alone it doesn't happen with capes and superpowers in order to develop cures for rare diseases. What you need is the ability to work with patients who have those rare diseases diseases and by definition of the word rare. There are not all that many of those patients and doctors for example at the u._c. San francisco children's hospital in northern california doctors doctors who are looking to test a potential treatment for a devastating rare disease called m. p. s. six where kids are born without an enzyme. They need to live doctors doctors wanting to develop a treatment for that rare disease well. They found a little seven year. Old girl named isabel isabel wessel who lived in another country. She had that rare disease at u._c._s._f. They recruited her and her family. They asked her family to please come to this country so she it could be part of a clinical trial that was testing an experimental treatment for her rare disease. They need patience to be able to test these treatments to be able to develop develop these treatments to be able to cure diseases. There's no other way to do it and so they need to find these patients wherever they are in the world and bring them here and because isabelle was able to come from another country to california to be part of this clinical trial that clinical trial finally had enough patients to be allowed to go ahead and the clinical trial went ahead had and it was successful and that treatment for that rare diseases now f._d._a. Approved thanks to her and her family and then last week. We learned that the trump administration had decided it was time for i heard a die. She gets weekly intravenous infusions of that experimental treatment which is not approved for distribution in her home country. Nevertheless the trump administration sent her family only a boilerplate letter a form letter telling them they needed to take isabel off treatment and get out of this country go back to where they came from and so that letter to isabelle's family and other families like isabelle's led to this initial coverage at w._b. Warr magazine follow up coverage from the boston austin globe including a devastating editorial from the boston globe. We picked up the story here on this show. Story also started getting covered in florida. The miami herald the new york times ultimately front page the story with this headline sick migrants undergoing lifesaving care can now be deported the oversight committee in the house notice what was happening. They announced an emergency hearing to be held this week friday of this week at which the head of the us citizenship and immigration services and the acting head of ice were both told to who appear then this letter went out signed by one hundred twenty seven members of congress remarkably every single one of the democrat apparently republicans don't care about this <music> one hundred twenty seven members of congress. All democrats sent this letter to the trump administration demanding a reversal of this policy demanding that they don't kill these kids but also demanding answers to a bunch of pretty direct questions like for example this one which is essentially who did it and why what was the rationale for the policy change. Please provide any emails memoranda guidance or other documents discussing the rationale for the policy change also who were the most senior officials in the white house and the department of homeland security who approved this change. Why did you not provide advance notice to the public to congress before this change was enacted for that matter what formal notice at all has been provided to the public or to congress that this change has been enacted in other words we the congress are only learning about this from the press the press only learning about it from the families you have taken aim at this is a major policy change where you just not gonna mention it the ground swell of disbelief and criticism and outrage over what the trump administration was doing here just kept building steadily over the course of last week. The story started to make network t._v. t._v. News anchors gayle king c._b._s. Morning show expressing on the air that surely surely this must be an error. Surely something could be done to fix this boston. Globe brand second editorial blistering one headline the most inhumane of trump's immigration policies. Here's the lead editorial quote president and it trump's latest outrageous immigration policy has become a bureaucratic hot potato an attack on sick immigrants so cruel that seemingly no part of the federal immigration asian system wants to implement it and really why would they unless the administration takes the hint and withdraws the proposal. It's asking officials to take actions that that ought to haunt their conscience and the countries and then finally after a week of this we have been watching this the story break and massachusetts and slowly build and slowly get flushed out and congress start to notice and editorial board start. Pick it up and it become a national news story. We've seen a week of this growing disbelief and outrage at what they're doing and now trump administration has changed their mind and they have reversed the policy sort of that's next hi. It's katy tur want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe you might have seen some of these headlines over the last twenty four hours to send the new york times faced. I with criticism trump administration reverses abrupt end. She humanitarian relief from from w._v._u. Are in boston which did the some of the first reporting on the story. After public outcry feds agree to reopen certain medical deferral requests at commonwealth magazine in massachusetts which also did great reporting on the story from the very beginning ginning quote trump administration changes course on immigrant parents those told to leave the country will be allowed to stay for now that for now is doing a lot of work there because even though the trump administration appears to have caved on this they appeared to reverse themselves on this they will at least now consider the applications of kids who are already currently here in this country receiving lifesaving medical treatment they will consider the applications of those kids to stay on which which is a reversal it appears that the bigger picture of what they're doing here is not so much a reversal of this astonishing policy they were trying to get away with it appears to be more of just a temporary reprieve to try to cool down the heat of the spotlight that has been burning into them about this over the course of the last week and you know we should have expected that we have seen this before when it comes to the trump administration's anti immigrant policies that they want to crow about to their base for political purposes but they really don't wanna defend on the merits we saw for example when the trump administration was initially found to be taking little kids and babies away from their moms and dads at the border forcibly separating families families against their will you might remember the trump. Administration initially claimed that that wasn't their policy at all then they've made it okay. It was their policy but it wasn't a new the policy everybody's always done this hadn't they. Then in the face of a nationwide convulsion of outrage over their policy they made a big show of announcing they were stopping the policy well of course we've since learned that despite that big showy announcement and despite court orders telling them that they can't separate kids from their parents anymore the trump administration has actually just gone ahead and continued taking little kids away from their families at the border even to this day and it looks like that may be sort of what they're trying to pull pull off with this new announced apparent reversal of their new policy targeting kids with cancer and kids with cystic fibrosis and kids with rare diseases who are undergoing lifesaving medical care. The new england chair of the american immigration lawyers association has multiple clients who have been targeted by the trump administration in this latest dystopia intern. She tells commonwealth magazine in massachusetts today. Quote they created problem and are now pretending to solve it. They are not solving the problem with this new announcement. They are just pumping it to be dealt with later joining us now. Is that immigration attorney masa convy. I i miss combine. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. I appreciate you making time to be here. Thank you so much for having me rachel and drawing attention to this so we've seen all these headlines suggesting suggesting that the trump administration has backed off that maybe this was an error that maybe they didn't necessarily know what they were getting into and they started telling all these families that they were gonna and have to stop lifesaving medical treatment and leave this country but you're suggesting at least from the way you understand it that this may not be a reversal. They essentially may just be. He's sort of hitting pause. Yeah definitely the seems to just be a temporarily step temporary step back from their policy change change in that they're going to no longer retroactively apply this policy which is what one would have expected in the first place but going forward any application that was it was filed after august seventh will no longer be accepted or reviewed and instead they will have to go through the deportation process as the government recently recently stated so the people who've been profiled in the press reports about this policy change from the trump administration and some of them are people who had applied for this status and received this form letter in response saying no. We're no longer considering that. We can imagine what will happen now now that those applications will be reconsidered but you're saying anybody else who's in this similar situation who's in this country who was receiving life-threatening threatening lifesaving medical care here who can't get that lifesaving medical care in another country while that previously would have been the basis for applying to stay in this country. They're not hot planning on looking at any of those applications in the future correct right so essentially they're continuing with this gratuitously cruel policy so if someone were to apply on august eighth or today saying i have a very rare heart condition for example like my client who did not have arteries connecting electing to her heart and had to come to the united states for the treatment. If she tried to apply today they would not take her case and instead she would have to go into the deportation station process which would use tremendous government resources from ice to having to process these individuals to going to an immigration court where they have to see a the judge and use the resources of an already overburdened immigration court and the trial court system and then finally when they get a deportation deportation order from an immigration judge only then could they ask the immigration and customs enforcement office ice saying. Please don't carry out this deportation tation order. Let me apply for a stay of deportation. That's a very key distinction there that this is a legal status that is being taken away way. There's not people who are here in an illegal status. These are people who have legal status now on it's being removed putting them in a totally different part of the enforcement section. Let me just ask you briefly. You mentioned in your fourteen year old client there. We talked about her. The last time you were here miscount bobby she's fourteen years old. She has had how heart surgery for this condition. She is expected. She's recovering. I'm from that. She's expected to have further heart surgery in the future. Can i just ask what this has been like for her and her family having received this word that she would have to leave and they'll going through this apparent reprieve bright there obviously so thankful that the issue will no longer have to worry about this in the near future but we're not not sure yet how the government's even going to look at these applications when they put their statement. They seemed to bring a new condition a higher standard or burden it into be matt comparable to what individuals have to do when they're applying for a visitor visa at a u._s. Embassy so frankly i'm still concerned about how her application and all the others will be looked at also bobby who's chair of the new england chapter the american immigration lawyers association representing several people who have been caught up in this this new nightmare from the trump administration and thank you very much for joining us. Please keep us apprised. Thank you thank you so much rachel. Appreciate it much more to tonight. Stay with us in the great on winnowing so the next democratic presidential debate is next week ten candidates thursday next week in houston the d._n._c. set tougher criteria for qualifying for next week's debate that cut the field in half right so the previous debates had twenty contenders contenders competing back to back over two nights the next one the third debate is just going to be ten candidates all on one night in other words. The winnowing of the democratic presidential angel field begins but now let it also start on beginning because why not democrats the d._n._c. Just this week and confirmed the qualifying criteria for the fourth debate the one that happens in october next month under the rules just announced by the d._n._c. e._n._c. All of the candidates who qualify for next week's debate are definitely already in for october but people who don't qualify for next week's debate people who don't hit their remarks either in polling or fundraising times for next week's debate will get another month to try so the criteria for getting into the next two debates the one next week and one in october criteria is the same but the window for qualifying for the second one is longer so same start debate for qualifying for both debates that means you get a longer time to to try to get into the october one that means even though the september debate is going to reduce the candidate numbers down to ten the october. Debate is probably going to open them back up the october. Debate will end up being an unwin knowing which is the opposite of trying to zero in on the strongest candidate to represent the party right but that's it's where democrats are with one night of debate set in september and as they announced over this labor day weekend possibly two nights again in october for a newly re expanded banded field people who got cut for this next debate might be there next month democrats that said we also learned about something else that is likely likely to have significant political impact that could be happening at the exact same time of that weird winnowing debate and that story is next the washington post today broke some surprising news that as soon as next month as soon as october the house judiciary committee is preparing to hold hold hearings and call witnesses involved in hush money payments two ex playboy model karen mcdougal and adult film star stormy daniels. This is the case that already put the president's personal lawyer michael cohen in federal prison for campaign finance felonies. It's a case in which federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york have already named the president as individual one who they say directed the commission of these felonies will now among other things. The judiciary committee apparently wants to find out what the president knew about these felonies. They're interested in exploring the president's own evolving explanations about what he knew of the scheme judiciary. The democrats also apparently want to investigate why the justice department ended their own criminal investigation of this hush money scheme after michael cohen was sent to prison for it. Clearly other people were involved in this or wouldn't have been a scheme. Why did the justice department ended after only charging michael cohen joining us now. Is tom. Hamburger reporters. Washington post was part of breaking the story hamburger really appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight. Thanks to be with you rachel. Thanks so. I say this is surprising news because i'd wile weil. This seemed to me like a big dangling threat in terms of the various scandals that have surrounded the president this particularly interesting one because of what federal prosecutors told the federal judge in this case about the president's own involvement. We didn't previously have any sense that the democrats in the house were interested in pursuing this on their own terms terms. Am i right that this is the first we've known that they've been interested in going after this. This is the first indication we've had from the judiciary committee that they are putting this on their list of priorities topics to investigate. We knew rachel already that they were focused on some of the things that were that were front and center in the mother report award particularly the alleged incidents of of possible obstruction of justice but this six case sixth <hes> matter involving the hush money payments had been very much on the back burner and there was no definite sign that it was going to be investigated by the judiciary committee or other committees. He's until just the last few weeks the prospect of there being hearings on this in the house. I suppose could go a couple of different ways a lot of the high profile witnesses that the committees have gone after they haven't been able to get to come in to testify at all when people have been able to come in and testify more often than not we have seen those people testifying behind closed doors. We have any sense as to whether or not the witnesses for this this hearing including presumably stormy daniels herself who said today on twitter bring it that she's willing to testify. Do we expect that these hearings would be held in in public that these would be televised hearings rather than closed door hearings a <hes> rachel the terms of the hearing have not been formally set but our expectation of the interviews that my colleague rachel baid at the post and i did suggest ask this is a high profile hearing a high profile hearing so yes public it is something that the members of the judiciary committee felt in a sense <hes> <hes> that they have a public duty to to present publicly in part because you just suggested the investigation of this hush money payment seemed to end rather. There's suddenly in the southern district of new york. Michael cohen was sentenced to <hes> is doing jail time because of his involvement with it but the documents that were released by a federal judge also concerned about getting public attention to this <hes> showed that there were strong indications that there was <hes> a group of individuals not just michael cohen <hes> involved in a conspiracy to basically subvert campaign finance laws make payments <hes> that would assure that the testimony of these women would remain quiet at least not go public at least not before election day and tom. We know that the judiciary committee authorized authorize some subpoenas that seem to be related to this case earlier in the summer like in july they authorized subpoenas for keith davidson one of the attorneys who is involved in this also stormy daniels yourself also current mcdougal also david pecker dylan howard from the national enquirer as far as we've been able to figure out here on on the staff of my show those subpoenas while they got a lot of attention at the time they were authorized by the committee but as far as we can tell they have not yet been served for those peop- they have have not actually received subpoenas. Is that true. That's that's what we understand is well rachel. There are reports that there have been some preliminary discussions sion's with some of those people and i wanted to turn back to a point you mentioned just moment a moment ago which is one of the reasons there's excitement about. This particular. Case is that unlike the five obstruction cases for example where the judiciary and other committees have been frustrated in their investigation because the trump administration has basically refused present or former administration employees to testify in this case you're dealing with employees and individuals including those you just mentioned who have never been employed by the administration and thus may not be subject to that sort of constraint. There's one other thing that i think it has has the investigators attention and has members of the committee <hes> eager to move forward and that is unlike some of the other investigations at subpoenas that have been issued for government documents in this case we know so that the publisher of the national enquirer has turned over to the committee some documents already so there are documents in hand and there is a affair possibility of getting some witnesses to testify <hes> what that the bottom line for the committee is <hes> <hes> the possibility of getting of having some real <hes> drama <hes> at a public hearing and i think that's where they're headed in early october. Tom hamburger our reporter with the washington post. Tom thank you very much for helping us understand this reporting that you broke with rachel beta really really appreciate it. Thank you all right. Thanks more news to get to tonight. Stay with us. This is something you have to see whether or not you've been following following every twist and turn in the ongoing debate in our great ally the u._k. Where this ancient story democratic government is basically falling apart over brexit of the question of whether and how and when britain should leave the european union whether or not you have been following that at all today you should know they went over a bit of a cliff owns the ice and the rights three hundred and twenty eight the nose left three hundred one offers not a good start boris that was the new british prime minister boris johnson losing his very first brexit vote in parliament and brexit is the reason he's prime minister even worse for him. A whole bunch of members of his own party crossed over to the other side to vote against him despite the threat that they would actually be kicked out of the conservative party permanently if they did sell and again you don't need to know all the ins and outs of the briggs fight to get a sense of how out of control and chaotic things are right there right now. After that initial vote today that not a good start boris. I suppose what boris johnson decided to do. In response was called a snap national election and by snap. I mean six weeks from now. Ready set go new national election and then lawmakers and parliament got so riled up by the leader of the opposition labor party that the speaker of parliament the guy who controls the business on the floor of the guy who's always yelling order her. He basically had to take one of boris johnson's top cabinet officials out behind the woodshed election piece both tomorrow to stop negotiations and to compel another pointless delay to brexit potentially two years then that would be the only the way to resolve this. I can confirm that we are tonight. Tabling a motion under the fixed term parliament he wants to table a motion for general election sign the bill through in order to take no deal off the table who's the members <music> of the duchy when he turns out but our children's school as apparent. He's a betty well-behaved. He wouldn't dare behave like that. In front of choline rent sean spirits to theatrics yourself it. Yes we know the theatrics that he would. They don't seem to be a good boy to the chancellor of the duchy. I don't know what the chancellor of the duchy. Is anybody anybody who tells you they know. Even just what's going to happen tomorrow. In britain is lying. Nobody knows how this is going to resolve is just a remarkable situation over there right now. Whether or not you have been watching the brexit brexit. Fiasco closely really is threatening the basic idea of political conflict resolution it really is threatening governance and a basic way in our most important horton overseas ally in a way that is utterly unpredictable. Watch this space that is going to do it for us tonight. I will tell you though that if you are interested in this story that we've been covering over the past week about the trump administration literally targeting sick and dying children for deportation tation along with their families lawrence is going to be speaking live in the next hour with congressman mark to sonia who is a congressman from california who has been right out in front front on this issue he in fact was the congressman for isabel boy so that young girl who was brought to california at the age of seven to help out in that clinical trial who now relies on weekly treatment at u._c. San francisco children's hospital to keep ourselves alive. She's one of the people who targeted by the trump administration and told to get out of this country congressman. Dasani is going to be joining lawrence. Live ahead plus lots more the show weeknights at nine on m._s._n._b._c. new for me depressed arrest chuck todd cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.
February 24, 2021: 9/11 Commission leaders issue a warning to Pelosi
"Presented by google good wednesday morning. I'm adrienne hearst and welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing. Today we're stepping back in time to a moment when things looked a little bit different in the us. The air britney and justin broke up. Kelly clarkson won the first season of american idol and much like chuck schumer. Today you might have owned a flip. Phone senator chuck uses a flip phone. What did you expect them to us. Playbook co author. Rachel baid is taking us back to two thousand and two when republican tom. Cain became head of the nine eleven commission. He got a call from tim. Russert asking him to come on. Meet the press keen. Said he'd only appear though if his democratic counterpart on the commission lee hamilton was invited to russia balked so keen believing the only way for the commission to work with for to look and act completely. Bipartisan cannot be partisan this has got to be all this country working together told him to quote find someone else. Roller called him back. Five minutes later and relented and the commission which was split evenly between republicans and democrats went on to become one of the most praised instances of bipartisan in history. Now twenty years later speaker. Nancy pelosi is calling for a nine eleven style commission to investigate january sixth but instead of equal representation the panel will be made up seven democratic important members and four republican appointed wants based on pelosi's proposal the leaders of the original commission including keenan. Hamilton told playbook that would be a mistake. Republican voters will never accept the findings if there's even a whiff of this investigation being driven by democrats. That does not sound to me like a good start. It sounds to me like a partisan beginning. Hamilton told us keen echoed that warning that quote unless you have equal representation. The report won't have much confidence from the american people. it won't be reliable pelosi's office has said. The proposal was only eight discussion draft and democrat familiar with the negotiations. Said it's actually. Gop that's playing politics dragging out the process and refusing to commit to a defined purpose for the panel. Meanwhile house minority leader kevin mccarthy backed by senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell wants republicans and democrats to have the same number of picks as well as equal subpoena authority. Both sides on the nine eleven commission had subpoena power though. They chose to operate by majority vote. The disagreement doesn't bode well for the future of the january. six commission. The idea behind is to insulate the politics from the probe as much as possible and hoping to paint in authority dated and final picture about what happened that day. A definitive account is also critical to countering conspiracy theories some republican voters have latched onto suggesting the riot caused by trump critics. It's reasonable to ask whether a bipartisan commission is. Even possible in this day and age even keen said. He's very concerned that both parties will lean toward people who are partisan to servants panel. But he really hopes the parties will resist that impulse. That was playbook co author. Rachel baid today mitch. Mcconnell will talk about the january six commission when he opens the senate. We'll see what if anything to say about. Former president trump whom he simultaneously attacked while refusing to convict him for his role in the insurrection. Speaking of the insurrection. Here's an update from politico's brian bender. By the first week of april all members of the military will have to take part in a super unusual order from defense secretary. Lloyd austin unit leaders will hold a day long stand down to talk about the threat of extremism and get feedback from troops on how racism and anti government sentiment have taken root in recent years. The pentagon hasn't yet revealed all the training materials. It's using but that hasn't stopped lawmakers and right wing commentators from accusing the dod of a witch hunt on behalf of the biden administration to purge political opponents. There's no evidence to support that but there are concerns among top brass. That the move could backfire if the pentagon doesn't clearly define what extremism means and here's a cova bill update for you. Republicans are making risky but calculated. Bet that voters won't punish them for opposing a popular one point nine trillion dollar corona virus. Bill there now gambling that there will be more backlash over school. Staying closed the covid bills gigantic price tag and a partisan process politicos. Congress team writes republicans are hoping to shift away from uncomfortable. Questions about the party's identity in the post trump world now. They're marketing the relief bill as a pork laden offering to progressives who helped push biden into office and very few republicans say they have any qualms about opposing it and an update on the other. Big bill du jour the comprehensive immigration bill. Democrats unveiled last week. It's not going over well with some corners of the party. Moderate and border state members. Say they're anxious. The issue could cost them both a shot at meaningful immigration reform and control of congress. One strategist gave this warning. We don't want the far left to hijack the agenda they added. The breaking point is definitely at what point we give aid to the undocumented whether we're creating a magnet for an influx of people and whether we start talking about abolish ice well enter. Aoc last night. Representative alexandria akhazia. Cortez waiting on twitter writing about her opposition to immigration system built on a car surreal framework her solution bold re imagination of the system including the ideas. That dhs shouldn't exist. Ice has gotta go and that the us needs to create climate refugee status. In more politico's. Marc caputo writes that sound you hear is conservative. Republicans keen to do nothing on the issue while painting democrats as open border radicals silently telling to keep up the pressure of i in playbook today the texas storm is already becoming a presence in the special election to fill the seat of the late. Gop rep ron. Right who died of covid. Nineteen educators shawn lassiter. A democrat has an ad out today that highlights her breath in a cold house and makes reference to cancun gates. Texas families are angry tired and we want answers now right one by eight points in november and his wife. Susan is a possible front runner here but the district voted for trump by just three points so it could be competitive governor greg abbott on tuesdays at the primary for may first with a runoff to follow there are already contenders from both parties in the rain in this friday biden will to houston to meet with local leaders about the devastating winter storm and visit a covid nineteen health center that's distributing vaccines meanwhile biden and prime minister justin trudeau would like you to know that canada and the us are bff's again after four years of trade wars name calling and international gossiping. The two leaders weren't gonna let global pandemic get in the way of a little bowing out together at yesterday's bilateral meeting. Even if it had to happen over videolink roku closer friends. In canada the leaders produced a roadmap for working together with a heavy focus on the environment still. They didn't resolve all the issues between the two countries press secretary. Jen psaki warned reporters in advance that. The us isn't gonna announce a plan to share covid nineteen shots with its northern neighbour or exempt it from biden's by american executive order or change its position on the keystone x. l. pipeline also on the global front biden plans to call saudi arabia's king salmon today axios reports that if the call happens as scheduled. It'll be biden's first combo as president with the saudi king ahead of the release of a long secret report on the murder of journalist. Jamal khashoggi and a look. At the rest of biden's wednesday. The president will get his daily brief at nine fifty. Am at two pm biden. Mvp harris will meet with members of the house and senate from both parties. To tuck supply chains in the oval office. At four fifteen biden will sign an executive order on the economy. Harris has a couple of swearing in a thomas green as us ambassador to the un at twelve thirty five anton ville sack as agriculture secretary. At six fifteen pm the white house covid nineteen response team and public. Health officials will brief at eleven. Am press secretary. Jim sake will brief at twelve thirty along with deputy director. Samira fizuli and peter hurrell the senior director for international economics. And competitiveness enter wednesday and congress. The senate will meet at noon to consider michigan governor jennifer granholm to be energy secretary at four pm. The senate will vote to invoke cloture on grant homes nomination subscribe to the newsletter at politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first. One hundred days of the biden administration subscribe to our transition newsletter. That's at politico dot com slash transition. Pb i'm mitri and hearst. Thanks and i'll talk to you tomorrow.
March 18, 2021: What Ron Klain told progressives behind closed doors
"Presented by amazon. Good thursday morning. I may drian hearst and welcome to your playbook daily briefing joe. Biden's promised to make a ton of progressive priorities happened during his presidency. But what's his chief of staff saying behind closed doors. We have an exclusive look this morning. At what ron claimed told powerful progressives yesterday about where the administration's headed on immigration taxing the rich the minimum wage and more. Here's playbook co author. Rachel baid with the scoop. Leaders of the congressional progressive caucus met with white house chief of staff ron clean at the white house on wednesday morning. I caught up with pramilla. Paul who leads the cbc. And here's what she told me number one on infrastructure progressives pressed for commitment that joe biden's jobs plan will address not only transportation but things like climate healthcare and so called family infrastructure. Things like childcare paid leave giant laid out to the white house for concerns that if they work with republicans they won't get all these things she told me quote. We can either go green or we can go bipartisan. because i just don't think republicans are ready to have a transformative package. Claimed did not say with. The plan was per se but he did indicate to cbc leaders that the white house is exploring different options including the possibility of actually breaking up the bill. Back better plan into as many as three different bills. Some go on a bipartisan basis. Some could go through. Reconciliation be democratic bills. Only in theory. At least a handful of republicans might pass a more narrow bill that focuses specifically on roads and bridges but not on things like climate. But there's a question about whether republicans would really strike a deal with the white house. If they know that in a couple of weeks or a couple of months another trillion dollar package could sort of be jammed through the congress. Number two taxing. The rich progressive laid out there thinking about how build back better should be used to redistribute wealth clain. According to paul seemed to agree. She told me that they had a good discussion about how the white house sees any revenue raisers as a chance to make the tax code quote fair and of course address massive unprecedented income inequality in this country. She told me number three. The return of the minimum wage debate progressives pressed claim to commit to making the fifteen dollars minimum wage happen somehow some way and they left feeling that he agreed with them. They brought up the idea of nuking the filibuster to get it done in the senate and they floated this other idea about attaching a wage increase to must pass legislation. That second idea could be risky. If democrats had a wage hike to government funding for example it could cause a shutdown with gop number four immigration clean also indicated. That biden would soon increase the cap on the number of refugees allowed into the united states. Something biden promised to do early february but has yet to follow through on more broadly. The progressive leaders said clean agreed that more needs to be done to address the crisis at the border. The white house. Julia said is hindered by the trump administration's moved to dismantle immigration facilities infrastructure at the border. But they're working to get that fixed and they wanna move quicker. We should pause for a second to reflect on the power of the c. p. c. right now a few years ago. This group was viewed as a bunch of radicals with no clout now. they're flexing and commanding. The attention of the white house biden. Even call john paul after the american rescue plan passed and she told him she wants these kinds of to happen regularly. Now the cdc has not one but two meetings at the white house and the span of just a couple of days. They'll have another one at the end of the week. That was playbook co author. Rachel baid today in congress a hearing on violence and discrimination against americans. The house judiciary committee has ten. Am hearing on the books to interview. Reps judy to grace main doris. Matsui and senator tammy duckworth who are all asian american lawmakers along with a slew of asian american activists and academics. They're hoping to raise awareness of the ongoing violence which spiked during the pandemic and get input from experts on potential solutions to hearing comes hours after biden and several top officials condemned the shootings in atlanta this week. That killed eight. Six of whom or women of asian descent biden said. He spoke on the phone yesterday with the ag and fbi chief and he's waiting on more info from them before identifying a racial motive concern. Because as you know speaking about talented against americans in the last couple months canoes very very dem lawmakers have floated a few policy fixes to address the rise in hate crimes during the pandemic including one last week from maine and senator macy hirono that would bolster law enforcement's response to hate crimes against asian-americans. Meanwhile democrats big election reform. Bill is headed for a vote in the senate chuck schumer said yesterday. He'll put the four. The people act on the senate floor and he slammed. Gop efforts to limit voting access in state houses around the country. Now dem's talking about creating an exception to pass election reform with just fifty one votes and if you're wondering what joe manchin thinks about that surprise. He threw cold water on the idea yesterday. Mansion told politico senate. Chief burgess everett quote. No no no. That's like being a little bit pregnant. Maybe okay joe. And another skeptic senator dianne feinstein said. She's not yet sold on nixing filibuster. She's worried it could backfire. On democrats of the gop takes back control of congress. Meanwhile in the white house biden's team seems to be warming up to the idea of changing the status quo increasingly. They're thinking the president's agenda will be at risk if the current rules state in place. According to to people familiar with the discussions at the heart of their argument is this if the filibuster is used to stymie voting and civil rights legislation the minority in the senate will remain protected to the detriment of minority voters. Also today bilateral talks with china. Three three hour meetings are expected to be held today and friday secretary of state. Antony blinken am national security advisor. Jake sullivan will be meeting with senior. Chinese diplomat's the meetings will be the first high-level us china talks under the biden administration biden thursday the president. Mvp harris will get the president's daily brief at nine thirty this morning. The president will deliver remarks on the state of vaccinations at three fifteen press. Secretary jen psaki and hud secretary. Marcia fudge will hold a press briefing at twelve thirty pm. The vice president will ceremonially swear deb holland as interior secretary at ten. Thirty harris will meet with women leaders and the labor community to discuss the american rescue plan at eleven. Fifteen at six fifteen this evening harris will ceremonies wherein catherine tie as u. s. t. tr. She's the first woman of color to hold the trade representative post and of i for the biden administration. She got a unanimous confirmation. Vote yesterday. Subscribe to the playbook newsletter politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first. One hundred days of the biden administration subscribe to our transition newsletter that at politico dot com slash transition. Pb i'm adrienne hearst. Thanks so much. And i'll talk to you tomorrow. The federal minimum wage has been stuck at seven twenty five in our since two thousand nine in the same time. Food and beverage costs have increased. Eighteen percent transportation costs up sixteen percent. Housing costs up. Twenty three percent and medical costs up thirty. Two percent in two thousand eighteen amazon introduced a starting wage of at least fifteen dollars an hour for all. us employees. A new independent study found that amazon's wage increase produced a two point six percent increase in the average hourly wage among other employers in the same market. Learn more at about amazon dot com slash fifteen.
February 2, 2021: A tale of two Republicans
"Presented by the american beverage association. Good tuesday morning. I'm adrienne hearst and welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing grab your coffee and get comfy. Because i'm about to tell you. A tale of two republicans. It was the best of times it was the worst of times and how their story plays out over the next forty eight hours. We'll say a lot about the state of the party right now. We'll dig into that in a bit but first about that biden. Gop huddle if you weren't already skeptical of a bipartisan. Covid relief deal. You might be now biden and those ten. Gop senators who tried to sell a six hundred billion dollar plan to counter biden's almost two trillion dollar package yesterday. Well they all seem to enjoy their to our chat in the west wing but the show of bipartisanship and biden making good on his campaign. Pledge to work across. The aisle is likely to be just that a show. The press showed zero interest in backing off from his plan or using reconciliation to pass it. A former biden aid in close touch with the white house told politico. I think this is a good opportunity to show. He was serious about working with republicans. But if they're not willing to do what it takes then we've got the votes to do it our way. Meanwhile it's not just code relief. Biden's got his eye on the new york times reports. The edmonds making moves this week to free up billions in aid for puerto rico starting to lift some restrictions trump place just hours before leaving office on dollars that were meant to help the island. After hurricane maria administration officials are framing the move in white t reports as a first step toward addressing racial inequality through policies designed to address climate. Change now that tale of two republicans. That's playing out right now over the next two days. The fate of reps. Liz taylor and marjorie taylor. Green will be decided for totally opposite reasons. Republicans are expecting both women to grovel for their sins real or imagined which says about the state of the party right now and it ain't pretty i we've got. Cheney has a reckoning. gop conference meeting tomorrow over voting to impeach donald trump. And then we've got green cunanan conspiracy theorist turn congresswoman. She's made racist comments question. The veracity of deadly school shootings and endorsed the idea of violence against congressional democrats that republicans appear to be chiding. Cheney more than green writes play co author. Rachel baid says wonders about the future of the gop. So what will mccarthy do. His own leadership team doesn't seem to know per multiple calls playbook made last night. But here's what you're co-authors gleaned from their reporting on green mccarthy's office is considering possible rebukes but they're also wary of punishing a member for something she said before she got into congress mccarthy as indicated. He wants screen to show remorse when he meets with her this week. But does that mean going on tv to dispel all the previous conspiracy theories. She supported and apologizing. Broadly for the harmful words she spewed. We'll see now on cheney. We hear mccarthy is eager for his conference to move on. It's unclear if he'll ask is number three to apologize for her vote. Though trump supporters certainly will expect mccarthy to steer the conversation towards the promise of a republican takeover of the house in twenty twenty two and how a prolonged focus on cheney instead of the biden. Agenda will hurt that cause for her part cheney's been reaching out rank and file lawmakers ahead of her. Sit down with mccarthy according to playbook sources. We hear she won't apologize for her. Vote to impeach but will listen to the frustrations of the rank and file. Tone will be critical here but imagine if the gop strips chance of her leadership post and doesn't touch green democrats would have a field day and republicans would be tagged as the party of cunanan for the long haul. Of course it might not matter if mccarthy decides allow green to keep her committee post as our hill team scooped house majority leader. Steny hoyer delivered an ultimatum to mccarthy on monday if he doesn't strip green from her committees democrats will hold a vote to do it themselves. Also today here's a bit of deja vu. Dem's and republicans are feuding over merit. Garland's confirmation hearing this time around. He's up for confirmation as biden's pick to lead the justice department. But last night. senator lindsey. Graham turned down a request from dick durbin. The incoming judiciary charite to hold garland's confirmation hearing next week. Durbin urged graham the outgoing judiciary charite to hold the hearing next monday right before the senate is set to start. Trump's impeachment trial any further delay durbin said jeopardizes our national security especially in the aftermath of the january six insurrection but graham responded that the illinois democrats request was highly unusual given the hearings proximity to the start of the trial and speaking of illinois democrats. Nbc reports biden is eyeing former chicago. Mayor rahm emanuel for a high profile ambassador role potentially to china. The former obama chief of staff has been vying for biden adleman slot for months most recently. Dot secretary a nomination that ultimately went to pete. Buddha judge and china is already becoming a bigger challenge for biden just days into his tenure. he's grappling with a foreign policy crisis a military coup in myanmar that could put his administration at odds with the country identified as america's top long-term rival. The situation also presents a rare opportunity for a bipartisan. Approach from dc people familiar with the biden administrations. Internal talks told politico yesterday. That officials are frustrated by the timing of the developments and were scrambling to figure out how to respond domestically as well as internationally and whether to call what happened. A coup one described the scene as chaos. Expect more drama here in the days ahead. A look at biden's tuesday the president. Mvp harris will get the president's daily brief at nine forty five am eastern biden will sign immigration focused executive orders at five pm and harris will swear in dhs secretary alejandro my orcas at five thirty pm. Press secretary jen. Psaki will brief. And look what's back. The state department is resuming. Its daily press briefings largely withered. under the trump administration. Starting today at two pm subscribe to the newsletter at politico dot com slash playbook. And if you want to track the first. 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The White House's nickname for President Trump
"Today's episode is sponsored by a r p Trump flipped Ohio in twenty sixteen can Democrats flip it back. The latest issue of the deciders examines voters over fifty in Ohio and what's driving their vote, visit politico dot com. Slash the deciders to learn more. Hello. Listeners welcome to another edition of politicos nerd cast. I'm Scott bland. Your host. This week on nerd cast is meat to fully politicise because of Brett cavenaugh. Plus we're going to talk through the double lives of vulnerable House Republicans and what they're saying behind closed doors and what they're saying in front of TV audiences and their district. Before we begin some news, we're excited to share nerd cast will again be onstage at politico on the Conference Board political junkies later this month, it's in Los Angeles. It's October twentieth and twenty first. And we hope that we can see you there and a reminder. Stay tuned for the end of the show today for a contribution from one of the nerd casts biggest fans. All right, let's get started. I'm going to welcome our first guest, Nancy cook from Politico's White House team. Hi, Nancy. Hey, thanks for having me good to have you here as always we're going to dive right into our first data point and part of a big story that Nancy wrote recently, and that's fifty five fifty, five percent of women polled by Quinnipiac university. Earlier this week said they. Oppose the nomination of Brett cavenaugh to the supreme court. We're going to talk now about that nomination reminder were recording this Thursday around noon eastern. So just a quick state of play at the moment. Senators are now this morning, viewing the results of the additional f. b. i. background check of cavenaugh that dealt with some of the allegations of sexual assault that that he's faced in recent weeks. The Senate could have a final vote on confirming cabinet, or I guess potentially not confirming him as soon as this weekend. But for this segment, we're gonna talk about something broader than the confirmation vote itself. And that's the politics that seem to be now infused with the the metoo movement, Nancy, a couple of weeks ago you were on the show as a guest, and you described in some detail how Mitch McConnell and others had convinced President Donald Trump, but not to attack Christine Blasi Ford after she accused cavenaugh of assaulting her back when they were both in high school, so that is no longer. The case, the president has gone after her in pretty seriously over the last few days. What changed? Well, I think what changes that the president just decided that he was tired of it. So the president, really, you know, his, he started out, I think initially he did definitely want to hit back at Ford and against these allegations, but was basically talked off the ledge by Mitch McConnell, and the White House is top attorney Don Mcgann who I don't remember if I said this last time, but who behind Trump's back calls him King Kong. And so Don Mcgann calls Trump King Kong. And as I was talking to folks sort of around the confirmation process, you know, they call Trump just Kong, and so they were like, you know, Cong Cong is following the rules. Now there was like sort of a weekly update like a weather report congress following the rules, and then it was like, actually. And so at the rally, the other night I texted someone in I said, looks like congas landed on the on the table. Going through thirty six years ago. This happened. I had one beer. Right. I had one beer. Well, you know, there was one beer. Good. How did you get home? I don't remember. How did you get there? Remember where is the place? I don't remember how many years ago was. And this texted me back and just said, king of the monkeys. And so I feel like. This is just like a window into what it's like to be a White House reporter. Granted, all this is happening. Eleven o'clock at night, which is also everyone in my life. Everyone's a little loopy at this point, right at luby's. I'm still working. That's my point, but I bring this up because it's funny, but b because it gives you a sense of how the Senate and Don Mcgann aides in the White House. If you Trump and the way that they try to contain him and they feel like they can't contain him. But you know, they try and there was a sense that he wasn't, you know that he and being on good behavior and sort of saying that they wanted to hear from her was good, but then you know, basically he, he sort of started to get irritated and you could tell he was, you know, the the talk sort of escalated when he was at the UN last week. I was there with him and he's sort of started to talk more and more about how sympathetic Brad Kavanagh was. And then that resulted in what we saw at the rally this week where he basically started to to make fun of Ford and make fun of how many beers she had and how she couldn't remember and people in the White House to be fair, we're not happy about that. People in the White House and people in the Senate weren't happy that he had gone that far. But I think. What they were okay with was sort of these milder attacks on Ford's memory, and there's the sense that she maybe was assaulted but not by Cavanaugh, and those are things that they are comfortable with Trump just took it as he usually does like one step further. And then we, the data point that we kicked off this segment with was fifty five. And I'm talking about a majority of women who are now saying in this poll that they oppose Kavanagh's confirmation on on the flip side, you've got Republicans right now talking about how they see this fight over Kavanagh's passed and potentially confirming to the supreme court as something that has galvanized Republicans, Republican voters base voters to get more involved in the midterms than they ever have been. So you're seeing this just another inflection. Another point of polarization in the many, many, many that we've counted up over the last couple years. Maybe a little more now that. Centering on an issue that really was not fully politicized before, but it seems like we're getting to a point where sexual assault now is fully politicized. Absolutely. And I really think that this week has been an inflection point on that because you know, before we saw a lot of different types of people felt by the metoo movement and that included, you know, Harvey Weinstein, a big movie producer, but who was also a democratic donor. But that also included the former Fox News pundit Bill O'Reilly or the head of Fox News, Roger Ailes. And so it sort of swept up everybody editor Al Franken Senator Al Franken. Thank you. And so it kind of swept up everybody regardless of politics. But this week, what we have seen happen is Republicans have basically tried to turn the Cavagnaud questions and the allegations about him and and sort of the allegations that he has lied the whole raft of things. And they're trying to say that this is part of a democratic led plot to smear a good man, and that will keep people from public service and that. Has been the line party of Trump, but really by, you know, Republicans and conservatives conservative conservative women groups have really taken up that mantle to. And then meanwhile, you see the Democrats taking the opposite tact where you know, Republicans are trying to sort of minimize this, not make it about me to just call it a democratic smear. And meanwhile Democrats are trying to blow this up into like a huge narrative. You know, this is a narrative that encompasses metoo women not being heard. And so this is interesting moment of one side. Minimizing one, try it side trying to blow it up, but really like, basically, you know, sexual assault is not a partisan thing. You know, it happens to all types of women. And so I think it's a pretty important moment culturally, and I'll be curious to see with these stories in the future about politicians and business people in media leaders does this partisan sheen get projected on all of these allegations now. And we've seen this week in another poll from the public religion research. The two, they ask people if they would consider still consider voting for definitely not vote for a candidate accused of sexual harassment, and I thought it was really interesting what we saw in there even more than the breakdown by gender was a breakdown by party fifty. Six percent of Republicans said they would still consider voting for a candidate who's accused of sexual harassment, and that was sixty one percent of men, but also forty eight percent of Republican women. Meanwhile, among Democrats, just sixteen percent said they would still consider voting for a candidate accused of sexual harassment, which obviously, things have come a long way since Bill Clinton was elected in in nineteen ninety two. And a lot of this has colored by the fact that Trump himself has been accused of sexual harassment, sexual assault by number of women. But I, I just the fact that a plurality of Republican women were still saying they would consider voting for someone accused of this versus the, you know, pretty stark numbers among Democrats. I. Thought was was a pretty interesting illustration of this point. It is stark and I also think you have to remember that all of these different industries and parts of the country have been upset by the metoo movement, but Washington, even before the Cavanaugh stuff, there were limits on the way where politicians were willing to go on me too. So you know, Al Franken resigned and left the Senate after there were allegations against him. But you have to remember that the house and Senate have had a terrible time passing. You know, basic laws about how they will handle sexual harassment within their own ranks and the investigations that they'll do. And that doesn't have to do with like any specific allegations. That's just passing sort of rules about how internally they're going to handle things. And I feel like Washington and politics is one area that has been very resistant to change on this. And I think you can see that with, you know, the the lack of ability to pass these laws, but also just the way that this Cavanaugh stuff has turned so partisan. You talked with some folks for your story who reflected on some of the dangers of a what? What, what, what they see as dangerous in this politicization of this going forward? What did they say? What are they concerned about? Well, one of them is interesting. Things I found in reporting is that you know, conservative women are very, very fired up about this cavenaugh issue. I talked to this woman, Peggy penny Nance, excuse me, who runs us, conservative women group concerned women for America, and she herself is a survivor of sexual assault. And so she's very empathetic to people who make these allegations. However, the argument that she made to me is that she feels like Ford's allegations weren't corroborated. She felt like, you know, they needed more evidence if they were going to move ahead with this. And because there wasn't an evidence, she saw it as a political smear, and meanwhile, Democrats, you know, there's a bunch of progressive groups that are very fired up on this everyone from and. You know, abortion rights groups, like Nair, all to move on to demand Justice, which is this new progressive group that has sort of formed in the shadow of Cavagnaud and they're pointing to a whole bunch of things about Kevin that they find problematic. You know, that includes obviously the allegations of sexual misconduct against him, but also the fact that you know, they feel like he lied during his testimony about a bunch of things. They feel like he wasn't clear about his record in the Bush White House. They feel like he's overly partisan. They feel like he lied about even sort of identifying and defining basic terms like devil's triangle or boosting, which he called drinking games, which you know mean other things, if you look them up in the urban dictionary. And so it's just it's interesting moment where people are seeing things so differently based on where they're coming from politically, and I find it a little like crazy as reporter because you know if you extrapolate at thirty thousand foot feet at some point, life has to be based on facts, and it feels like in this. Oh, in this current political era, there's just fewer and fewer facts that we can draw on like facts that people agree on and data that people agree on. And if you don't have like a common sense of facts, what are you left that you can talk about with each other? Well, I think I think what we're finding out with this is that you're left talking about interpretation of the way that those those statements are delivered, right? Especially with with respect to Ford's testimony. We'll and you're left screaming at each other, like everybody's just left screaming at each other all the time. Well, that is a highly uplifting thought and one that I think we can. We can call time on the segment with. That's my time. It's my role here, bringing the sunshine every Thursday. Thank you so much for coming in to talk us through that though. Nancy, thanks for having me. I always enjoy it. Memorial. Coming up. We're going to talk to our colleague, Rachel Baid about a couple of house races and which retiring member of congress once gave her the middle finger will answer that question in more, but I or from our sponsor. Today's episode is sponsored by AARP Trump flipped Ohio in two thousand sixteen can Democrats flip it back in twenty eighteen the latest issue of politico magazine series. The deciders examines working class voters over fifty in Ohio and what's driving their vote. 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There seemed to be two sides to a lot of the campaigns that Republicans are running this fall. On the one hand, there's an appeal to the base of the Republican party. Those voters who are all in on President Trump, but they're also having to appeal to more moderate voters whose support Republicans will need to hold onto the house. Maybe some of these folks are independent. Some of them might be Republicans who have soured on the president the despite being members of the party for a long time. We got a great look this week into the double lives that Republicans are leading on the campaign trail. Thanks to our next guest, and that's Rachel Baid who covers congress for politico in particular, the leadership of the house, Rachel good to see you happy to be here. We're gonna talk through the story focusing on a particular race, and that's Virginia's seventh congressional district. That's the home of Dave brat. The Republican incumbent in the Richmond area, and our listeners may remember him from that enormous upset in twenty fourteen where he beat then has mature. Leader, Eric cantor. So he, he beat canter he's he's, he came at him from the right. He's now a member of the house freedom caucus very conservative, but he's cultivating a more moderate image at least some of the time. And we can listen now to this recent ad that he's running in the Richmond area for nearly two decades. Dave brat taught economics and business. Now he's taking those tested principles to Washington to fix economy for the next generation, a mild mannered teacher delivering results, but Rachel and this is where your great reporting from this week comes in, there's a different message behind closed doors which we know about because you got a tape of what happens behind closed doors. Tell us about that. What's his tape of? How did you? How did you get it? What did you find? So first of all, I would say this tape is more of the day brought that I know from covering him on the hill for the past few years, the mild mannered. All right. So basically I got, I got this from a source who had somebody who is in the room recording and they sent it to us in. It's a fundraiser, Brad is doing with house freedom, caucus leader, Jim Jordan, who sort of this arch, conservative, big supporter of the president and they're talking red meat issues. Here they're talking about praising the president. Jordan at one point says we in the house need to do more to support the president, which is interesting because a lot of independence right now, one eight check on the president and that's becoming the whole election has been about sort of do people put Democrats in power to to give a check on the president and sort of counter what they see as chaos in the White House. But Jordan is arguing that Republicans brat included at this fundraiser, should be doing more to help the president sort of get his agenda through. And so this is obviously a very conservative. Give a group of people. And again, it's the brat I know because he is in the freedom caucus and he has always been on the far right as a big pain. Actually in the side of speaker, Paul, Ryan always pushing the conference to the right, but Brad on TV in his district is sort of pitching himself to voters as again, this sort of mild managed college professor, some of the ads talk about saving kittens and bipartisan laws that will stop federal agencies from testing dogs, things that everybody agrees with things like preventing opioid abuse and overdoses. These are bipartisan Bill. So two very different sides of Brad. He's talking again to the Republicans in this fundraise. We're hearing from Royden. So now you know that there are a few kind of evocative moments from from that fundraiser that you know a few of the chance that are breaking out early in the event here. But then there's this other bit that I thought was was also pretty evocative where where Brad is describing how he how he wants to go about cable, TV appearance that's coming up and what what he wants to say in what he wants to focus on. And I thought that was pretty interesting. Yeah, he makes a joke about how he went back and watched Jim Jordan on Fox News. Specifically talking about the Russia investigation the FBI investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. This is something that Jim Jordan has been trying to sort of undercut the FBI and discredit this investigation for months now he's their top in tag on the hill. So basic argument is that is that this is a witch hunt, right? One hundred percent which yes win, and and he's been out on TV all the time. Dave brat notably has avoided this issue up until recently. DASA dot, it's not getting on. Press conference, speak today for. He said he played back some clips of Jordan. Parroted him on TV and the reception was great. Everybody started applauding and started laughing. But again, this is not the deep brat that he is presenting in his district right now the the bipartisan almost nonpartisan issue, right? It's it's not. It's not even that it's two parties coming together. It's that it has nothing to do with politics as we think of it, right. It's getting stuff done. That's the image he's trying to. He's trying to present, and that's that's a lot of what GOP leadership is telling vulnerable Republicans to do right now. Brats district has gone from this sort of Republican stronghold to one that is a toss up and he could very well lose in so Republican leadership. Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, they've been telling these guys ignore the drama in Washington, you know, don't talk about the president per se, just talk about your chievements focus on legislation. Tell things that everybody likes bipartisan things, and this is again a lot different what he was talking about in terms of Fox News. Parodying, Jim Jordan is a very different strategy than GOP. Leadership has been encouraging him to take, and this is this is not just one one district we're seeing here. There are, I think the thing that's most interesting about this is that there are a lot of districts like this around the country right where you've got this in this particular district. It's Richmond suburbs, and you've got a lot of kind of upper middle class, white voters kind of clustered around there. But then it stretches out into into rural areas where Donald Trump really blew the doors off in in two thousand sixteen, right? And obviously he didn't. He didn't win Virginia, but he did, I think better than than a lot of Republicans before him had done in those areas of Virginia. And there's a lot of districts like this around the country where you get kinda suburbs tailing off into rural areas. One of them actually in in Jim Jordan's backyard, you know, in in Ohio, and we saw that special election in the twelfth district in August. And that was also, you know, Columbus suburbs within. Out into the rural counties and basically the further and further you got from Columbus, the better and better the Republican vote guide. And that's what ended up dragging Troy Balderstone now congressman Troy Alderson over the finish line. Yeah. And Jordan specifically mentioned Varson in his talk to this. These Republicans at this fund raiser. He said, we Republicans, no matter how Sweeney our district's may be the the way to keep your seat is to tech to Trump hug Trump be, ah, Trump ally. And he pointed to Balderstone and he said, listen, Balderstone was underwater in early voting in Ohio. He was doing a bunch of cookie cutter ads. He was talked John casick a more moderate Republican who's obviously a number of Jordan of the president. He was not doing well. In this campaign strategy incomes, the president, just a few hours before voters show up at the polls and Balderstone is able to to basically stick this out and get it across the finish line in Jim Jordan said, that is a perfect example of why even in. Swing districts at seem scary where there's a bunch of Democrats bunch of independence who potentially don't like the president. You need to tack to the president to get out those Trump voters. Again, this just highlights this impossible situation. Republicans are finding themselves in where they need Trump voters to show up. They need that group of people who were angry and showed up at the polls in two thousand sixteen for the first time in a long time to come out to support them, even though Trump is not on the ballot. But while they do that, if they're if they're talking about issues that sort of Rev up that piece of the electorate, they're really alienating or risking alienating Democrats, but also really critically, those independent voters who potentially could vote Republican, but really don't like the president. And so go a different direction because of the tone they're taking in. You could easily imagine how this backfires right Balderstone was able to win, but he had casick in his ads trying to get enough of those suburban Republicans who used to vote for case in that congressional district decades ago. Right? He casick was talking to them and trying to get them. Come home and and but then also Trump, but you could imagine instead of it working, you can imagine both of those messages just turning off the other part of the coalition and everything completely falling apart in one of these places. Right. I think Republicans there were sort of just hoping that people would hear what they wanted to hear. You know, the moderate Republicans. They were here in case saying he supported Alderson, and then the president came in at the last minute, rallied those people who may not like casick to come to the polls, and they were able to sort of push it over the finish line that way. There are a few other districts where you can gathered tidbits for for your reporting on the story in particular there. There was an interesting bit about Diane hockey who I thought this was interesting because this this strict is is actually a little bit not like some of the others. We've been talking about this and much more just overall, very suburban district. There is a little bit less of that kinda rural Trump base to activate outside San Diego. And yet what she doing. She's clearly worried. We got some audio recording of her talking to her supporters, and she was expressing concern that Trump voters were not gonna show up in her district in that that was gonna hurt her. Hopefully we can turn out, don't fickle enough in the presidential or not necessarily going to turn out for this. We need to get the term. And again, you know, this is a district Daryl. Eyeso- won by only a couple thousand votes last time around. It's one of the reasons why dear LIZA who is an incumbent from California former oversight chairman who loves his job and loved being in congress for tired because it was gonna be a tough race. But again, she is not worried so much about those independence. It sounds like privately. She was worried about the Trump voters, and would they turn out to support someone like her who has sort of painted herself as more of a moderate Republican? And that's that's another district. There was this great moment in the two thousand sixteen campaign where Eissa who, as you mentioned had been the oversight committee chairman actually sent out mailers touting with his picture next to Barack Obama's touting. I can't remember what it was something that they had worked on together and yes, Obama. Obama came to the district and accused him of having chutzpah, which I thought was a nice touch, perfect, foreshadowing what we're seeing this cycle because I saw as chairman of the oversight committee was Ovum's chief antagonist on the hill. He went after the IRS. He accused Obama of targeting conservative nonprofits, fast and furious. The accused the Justice department of losing guns that ended up killing Americans by legal smugglers. They were one hundred percent pain in a wellness side in the administration. So for him to go out there and suggest that they were buddy buddy was laughable to say the least also Eissa we got, I gotta add this year just because I know him so well, and he was the one who flipped me off that one time of this. The healthcare debate that was when this was before he announced he was retiring, but there was a lot of energy in his district when Republicans were trying to repeal ObamaCare and Eissa in this district was not he wouldn't say how he was going to vote for a long time. And so that sort of led to the instance where. Was chasing him down the hall. He didn't want to answer because he didn't want to show that secretly. He does support the repeal, but if he supported the repeal, it would hurt him back in his district ended up giving me the middle finger instead, of course retiring, that's, that's now basically one of Democrats top pick up -tunities in the entire country. This time, a district that was thought to be solidly Republican until twenty sixteen, but it just, it just goes to show how fast some of these currents are moving and and how fast things are changing for not just in places like that before the day brats of of the world, and the people who were at the at the vanguard of this kind of movement in Republican primaries in the early part of the decades to push the party there. And now all of a sudden it's general elections that are that are on their mind right now announcing all those imperatives. They really the only way they can really do. This is to have like our headline says at sort of a double life is to talk one way to Republicans in the district and try to turn them out. And hope that you know what they're saying to this group doesn't get back to the more moderate independent Republicans who perhaps wanna check on the president. They don't want the president to get more of an ally in congress as in as we have seen with deep breaths district or I Rachel, thank you so much for coming in to talk us through that race anytime. Mrs. Missing ping up two digit on different? Yeah, different. Okay. As promised. Before we wrap up here, we are going to turn things over briefly to one nerd cast superfan Victoria guy, Tom of New York is going to help us out with the credit this week. Yet cast is produced by k. level begins with help from Adrian hurts. Dave Shaw is the executive producer and they're in the straighter is Bill cookman. If you like nerd cast and you're listening on apple podcasts rate the show and leave a review. It helps me listeners fine to show thank you Victoria listeners. We've found Victoria because she emailed to say she was a fan. If you are a fan of the nerd cast who wants to read the credits, please let us know shoot an Email to nerd cast at politico dot com. Thank you so much for listening. 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Block witnesses? Allow evidence? The battles ahead for the Senate impeachment trial
"The historic Senate impeachment trial of president. Trump has officially convened the hour of twelve noon having arrived and a corn being present. Isn't the sergeant at arms will present the managers on the part of the House of Representatives. I announced the presence of the managers on the part of the House of Representatives. Loose conduct the seedings on behalf of the House concerning the impeachment of Donald John Trump president of the United States of course there was much ritual and ceremony in that formal beginning of the trial. The Group of Seven House impeachment managers. Those are the lawmakers chosen by speaker. Nancy Pelosi to act as prosecutors accusers for the house. Democrats in the trial arrived at the Senate to present the two churches against trump one of abuse of power and the other obstruction of Congress Congress. The senators sat at their desks in silence as the rules say they're commanded to do on pain of imprisonment as House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Chef chef read the resolution and articles of impeachment allowed House resolution seven ninety eight appointing and authorizing managers for the Impeachment Trial Donald John Trump president of the United States. And though Chief Justice John Roberts. I'm the senators. Were sworn in Thursday Senate majority leader. Mitch McConnell has said the the trial will get underway in earnest next week so when the trial does get rolling Tuesday. What should we expect from the process whereas the room room for things to change or get thrown off course how to new revelations factor into the trial and is the final outcome actually has never double as it seems? Hello this is can he do that. A podcast that explores the powers and limitations of the American presidency and what happens when branches of government collide. I'm I'm Alison Michael's I headed over to the Capitol to catch up with the posts congressional reporter. Rachel Baid. I started by asking her to tell me more about these. Seven impeachment managers that Pelosi chose to represent house Democrats in the trial. The people who are essentially tasked with persuading sixty seven senators to convict trump removing from office So today on the floor will pass a resolution naming the managers. There was the top two impeachment investigators in the house. Adam Schiff who chairs as the House Intelligence Committee for Congress Mr Schiff was a California state senator and served as a federal prosecutor in the US Attorney's office in Los Angeles for six six years. Jerry Nadler who chairs the House Judiciary Committee before Congress. Mr Nadler served the New York State Assembly for sixteen years. Now everybody but he sort of expected her to tap these two men who have been leading the investigations of trump in the house since they took the majority last year but then there were a couple of surprises. I think the one that stood out to me was Jason Crowe who is a Democrat from Colorado. He served his country our country bravely as an army ranger in Iraq and Afghanistan Ghanistan before coming running for Congress Mister Crow was a respected litigator in private practice and color and he is sort of been one of these more moderate voices on impeachment. He has a national security background. He's a military veteran in a lot of those folks who come from these sort of districts they have been very careful on impeachment because they can see political blowback back home. Their districts are very diverse. They have a lot of Republicans since his district is democratic leaning. But it's still you know semi competitive so that was a surprise to me. He was not an impeachment investigator and he. He was not in the room for those depositions. But I think what it signalled was that Pelosi cares about reaching a certain kind of voter. Who's more independent minded that this type of member can speak to? We also saw Zoe lofgren. Who is a Democrat from California? This is chairwoman. Wins Third Impeachment as judiciary the committee staffer and the Nixon impeachment as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Clinton impeachment and now as a manager in the impeachment of President Trump. So she's got a lot of experience right. And there's also Hakeem jeffries freeze chairman of the House Democratic Caucus and Sylvia Garcia. WHO's a member of the House Judiciary Committee and they both have experience in the courtroom but generally this is a pretty diverse group of managers including geographically from different parts of the country? Yeah that's right. I mean all except one have courtroom experience. So that's something Pelosi see clearly wanted somebody who's comfortable making a case in public very high profile. The seventh who is not a courtroom lawyer is Val demings. She's a Florida Order Democrat and she is a former head of police chief. She's got an investigative background and she's been in the room for a lot of the judiciary committee sort of deliberation. So she's on that that panel and at this point do we know who their counterparts will be on the Republican side. WHO's defending the president? So that is a point of contention with trump allies and Republicans. The house there has been a push to put on Jim Jordan. Who is one of trump's top attack dogs on TV one of his greatest defenders in house? He's a a really skilled questioner. A longtime oversights sort of a bulldog would call him. He has wanted to sort of defend the president in the Senate he knows the case in and out he was part of the depositions he was sort of the point in coming up with the top defense. Talking points of the President in house but Mitch McConnell Connell here in the Senate. He's been uncomfortable with that. And there's a lot of moderate Republicans who are concerned that if they put someone like Jim Jordan controversial figure figure on the Senate floor that this is going to become as John Cornyn a senator from Texas told me even more of a circus than it already will become so. There's there's a debate on that most likely we will just see the White House counsel Pat Sip Bologna defending trump with his personal lawyer. Jaysekulow but you know trump likes. It's a show and if those two guys stick to sort of legal Monday in legalese. Trump is not going to be happy and he could very well do a mid impeachment impeachment swap out and put Jordan on floor. Let's talk a little bit about what we saw. After Pelosi made this announcement about the managers and held a vote to formerly move the articles to the Senate she set in motion. Essentially these forty eight hours of largely ceremonial process. Let's walk through some of those rituals because they really offered this rare opportunity to see the extent Dan to the quirks of the Capitol late Wednesday. There was something called engrossment ceremony. Can you tell me what that is exactly. Well this is basically policy making it official and so with that I will sign the the resolution transmitting the articles of impeachment to the Senate which will be delivered by our our managers from a month area. Proud this sort of the pomp and circumstance that everybody talks about when they talk about impeachment the carrying of the articles across the Rotunda handoff to the Senate for the trial. The the sergeant in arms will make the proclamation here. You hear you hear you. All persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment while the House of Representatives is exhibiting greetings of the Senate of the United States articles of impeachment against Donald John Trump president of the United States after the Senate receives them on Thursday the next step Zapping the processes that Chief Justice John Roberts was sworn in do you solemnly swear there's all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump president of the United States. Now Pandy you will do impartial justice according to the constitution and the laws. So help you God I do thank you very much. What are Roberts unique responsibilities in this Senate trial will? He's basically the impeachment umpire and he's GonNa be the one who first of all swears all the senators in that they're going to be impartial. Jurors and then whenever there are motions to for example whole dismiss the case or to subpoena a new witness. He basically overseas that process. There have been questions about how how much he would assert himself as chief justice overseeing the jurors because some Democrats want him to weigh in and to help them get witnesses and in theory he could be more active sort of umpire. Then we sort of think he will. The theory is that he will very much not. I want to be seen as making decisions for the Senate. He will want the majority of the Senate to rule on what is allowed and what is not but technically he can assert himself if he wants if he sees something that's out of bounds he can. It's just a question of if you will so. By the end of Thursday we have the chief justice and the senator sworn in and then Tuesday after Congress returns from the MLK holiday. We're expecting to see a vote on the resolution governing the trial of vote on how the trial is going to you work. What do we expect to see in that resolution? So that will be from our expectation are reporting will be completely a party. Line Vote Democrats Sense trump was impeach on December. Eighteenth have been saying they want Republicans to commit to certain witnesses to have in the trial before a a back any sort of resolution. And so I don't think you'll see any Democrats vote for this resolution. Their demand has been they wanna see these witnesses and McConnell has has refused to give them that promise on the other hand on Republican side. There are some moderate Democrats who say might be open to witnesses but they want to use is the quote Clinton model and this is sort of what happened with Bill Clinton in the nineteen nineties. They actually began the trial and they began open arguments and questions and they. It didn't deal with the question of witnesses until after all that you know phase one stuff was finished so I it's going to be a party line. Vote for sure her so and we might see that witness vote. Come later on yeah. I think that it'll probably be a week. And a half before we get there but tucked into this resolution is sort of a victory of these moderate Senate Republicans. In that is they convinced McConnell to have a vote at some point at the end of arguments and in questions on do they need more evidence. Do they need to call new witnesses and so there will be that vote. It's just a matter of time. What about calling the president among those witnesses that a likely consideration in this process? It's a really good question. I have heard some Republicans say privately They think it would be incredible if he just showed showed up Willy Nilly on his own in defended himself in the chamber. I doubt that is going to happen. You know yes I mean. This is only been. This is the the third time this has happened in American history and the rulebook is by and large very much unwritten. And so you know who goes. But we'll see Senate Democrats have been talking for weeks about bringing in witnesses. How would they get a majority to actually do so so right now there are forty seven? Democrats in the Senate and fifty three Republicans. And it's all about math right now. So fifty one senators whatever fifty one senators want to do. That is what is going to happen. Happened in this impeachment trial and so what that means. Is that Chuck Schumer. The Democratic leader over here is going to have to find four Republicans to join in him and totally breaking from their party. Leadership to agree to bring somebody in. That might not seem like a lot. But McConnell knows his members so well and and he's been very conscious of what they need in this process it would be a really big deal if a buck their party leadership and go Schumer on this so we've already heard from the three Senate Republicans that have very much signal that they're open to this. Susan Collins of Maine. She is a moderate member who is up in twenty twenty and could have very difficult race ace so she's got to be seen as an independent mind on impeachment. There's Mitt Romney a Republican from Utah. Always been a critic of the president and one of the first members who came out and said his pressure on Ukraine for an investigation was totally inappropriate. He somebody to watch. And then Lisa Murkowski's Republican from Alaska She voted against Brett. Kavanagh's domination succeed. Very independent minded. But that's three that's not four and there's a lot of people speculating on. Could they get a fourth. There are for a number of Senate Republicans who are up in twenty twenty and swing States Cory Gardner in Colorado Martha mcsally Arizona but these people typically stay with the team and I would be very surprised if you see one of them break so the question really is can they find that fourth. I'm not sure that they can but that that is going to be that very much a change. You know how long this impeachment trial goes potentially even if we see new revelations it all sort of rides on them getting that fourth North Senate Republican and on the point of revelations. We've seen some over the past few days love Parnasse and associate of trump's lawyer rudy. Giuliani recently sent documents over to house. Investigators and those documents have have so far exposed a few different things and among them new details about efforts by Giuliani and his associates to you obtain material in Ukraine that would undermine trump's democratic opponents and the documents also included text messages between Parma's an associate who seems James B tracking. Marie Ivanovich. Who as we know is the former ambassador to Ukraine who was removed trump? So my question is can evidence like this be formally introduced in the Senate trial even as it comes after the house inquiry has formerly ended. It depends on who you ask. I think that this is going to be something. They might end up debating on Tuesday when they return and begin talking about the process. And how the trial will unfold. We've heard from Senate Republicans who do think it would be allowed. And then some Republicans who think. It shouldn't be allowed one of the arguments that a lot of trump's top allies on the hill have been making is is that we can only hear the houses case. We can only hear what the House has presented and what the House has voted on. We can't go beyond that with new evidence and that sort of their argument against calling new witnesses. Now there is not a rule that says that anywhere. I will point out so I don't know you know if they have fifty Republicans who believe that sure they could probably keep new evidence from coming into the trial and that's because everything in impeachment is going to be very much A majority rule but I do think that there are Senate Republicans who do WanNa see these documents and it's interesting because the the Democrats love Parnasse has been trying to sort of get their attention now for weeks and they chose not to call him in when they were doing there in their own investigation. Well now all of this stuff is coming out and I do think it's sort of interesting question for them as well as the Republicans should you guys have waited and called him in to get more information permission and as new potential information continues to emerge. Might there be continued votes about whether or not to include each piece or is it sort of one. Blanket vote at one time. Apparently in the previous impeachment there was some sort of language in the resolution governing Clinton that no new evidence would be presented. But this is I mean things are coming out on a daily basis almost Senate Republicans have to think about how voters are going to see this and a lot of them will. I'll tell you they don't want that talking point that Democrats have Right. Now about a sham. Try a rigged trial. They don't like that and they want to avoid that appearance so I think it would be pretty controversial if they ruled against including new evidence. Whether it's you know one vote or they have to deliberate every single day on new new evidence that could very much along the process. We'll talk about what we do know about the process what we expect to see after the resolution is voted on. What will the next few weeks look like so the big thing? We're we're watching right now. Is What happens. With emotion to dismiss there has been talk for I. Can't I think since probably October Senator Rand Paul E. Kentucky Republican skin sort of started talking about this idea of what if we don't even have a trial would have we just totally toss it out and say the evidence is in good enough for any trial in and that idea very much appealed to president trump and president trump has been sort of going back and forth with again Mitch McConnell the majority leader who does not believe this is a vote they should have. There are Senate Republicans who would vote against a motion to dismiss and the thinking amongst McConnell in the Senate. Republican leadership is is that it's going to be very divisive it's going to divide Republicans and it's going to embarrass the president because then the headline becomes the GOP controlled Senate refuses refuses to dismiss these impeachment charges which gives them potentially more heft in the eyes of the public. So that is the first thing we're going to. It's like very much a test about whether the president listens to McConnell or does he sort of go with his gut. which is you know he was tweeting about this over the weekend? Saying it's a witch hunt by taking up these the articles the Senate would be saying they agree with this. These charges are saying it's okay that they charged me with these items and they should just dismiss it. So we'll see if he listens and McConnell on that well. The White House has said that they don't expect this process to last longer than two weeks. Is that a realistic assessment. And what's driving them to that conclusion. Yeah so this has been I would say this favorite parlor game right now. Like how long is this GonNa last. If you look back to Clinton's impeachment. Even though it was very short there were days were. They didn't do anything but meet amongst themselves to talk about what they heard to talk about next steps. The only way they can get this done by I think February I is currently the the goal for a lot of Senate. Republicans is if they cut those days out and they just work on this every single day for six days a week it would also require the defense and the prosecutors not take a full twenty four hours to present their case which traditionally they do. My understanding is that trump's defense team doesn't think they need that long and I don't know if they're just gonNA take one day but they can take up to like three or four I think a lot of Republicans want trump to show up at the state of the Union on February fourth. And say you know. I'm an acquitted. President that's like a top goal for a lot of Republicans and I think that they are willing to move very very fast in order to achieve that. I'm not sure if they can do it but I'm certain they're going to try. And what are some of the moments that could alter the direction or the folks of the trial or really sabotage that time mine. The top one is the question of witnesses and that would come probably the day before a vote to acquit. That's going to be one of the final questions of the trial and it will determine determine if they if fifty one senators vote to bring in new witnesses and bring a new evidence that will extend the trial for another couple of weeks. At least we're already seeing Senate Republicans come up with this plan. B If the Democrats get enough votes to call witnesses like the former national security adviser John Bolton and they're gonna go after Hunter Biden and potentially even Joe Biden which is going to have twenty twenty repercussions because he'll be on the trail and he'll have to come in and testify. So there's there's this thinking that they'll be mutual assured destruction as McConnell is calling it right now and that could really elongate the process. You could hear ear. People tried to call and live partners. I don't know Democrats have sort of been keeping him a little bit out of at a distance right now but I just think if they have fifty one votes to to open up the trial even more and bring in witnesses. It's a free for all in. It could go on for a really long time. My final question to you in this process. Sometimes it's hard to remember that the Senate actually actually has other things that they might try to do. So I'm wondering if you have any insight into other key priorities for the Senate during this time. There's room for them to do some things in the morning. What might they tried to accomplish rush so my understanding on this is that they won't be able to do a lot that this becomes a top priority? That everything else is very much put on the side. I mean clearly clearly committees probably have hearings if they want in the morning but this is gonna very much suck up all the oxygen. On Capitol Hill specially in the Senate. And I think that. That's that's why you saw. McConnell moved very quickly to try to get. US MCA the trade deal. Sort of finalized. Get it done but yeah the Senate has a whole list of judicial Komo News. They want to confirm everything for now. Is going to be very much on. Hold all right Rachel. Thank you so much for your time thank you. This has been another episode of. Can he do that if you want to. Get more news about impeachment. You can now subscribe to a new podcast from the Washington Post all of our audio updates on impeachment in one place including the latest from. Can he do that post reports and the daily to O. Two's big idea updated. Whenever news happens? Subscribe at Washingtonpost Dot com slash podcasts. Can he do that is eighteen effort here at the post. It's produced by Astute Carol Alderman with help from aerial plotnik design. Help from cat rebel brooks well though art from the Randolph. Leo and Theme Music by Ted Muldoon.
How Pelosi Holds the Line on Impeachment
"Dr Christopher Morley. Dr Osama Chowdhury created meta is technology that can take two dimensional patient imaging like an MRI and converted into three dimensional holographic renderings, this will fundamentally change how doctors visualize cancer. They thought this technology might just not be possible because computing power just wasn't there, but Verizon five G ultra wideband will give them the ability to do this for in five G ultra wideband will help give doctors, the ability to fight cancer like never before. Learn more at Verizon dot com slash build the future slash sleet. Rachel made reports for the Washington Post on Capitol Hill spends a lot of time in congress, and lately, she's been getting frustrated hearing how some pundits like to talk about Nancy Pelosi and impeachment. Every time there's a new person that comes out in support of impeachment, and we even saw last night, people freak out and say, oh, my gosh, more Democrats are supporting impeachment. Does this mean they're inching toward it is she Nancy Pelosi feeling fresher and is by people who don't really either? No Pelosi or don't really know how the caucus works. Because, you know, for my reporting, even if Georgy of the Democrats support, it cheese on likely to change her mind from my understanding, and talking to people who are very close with her. There's this one story that really stuck with Rachel about what happened when Pelosi's caucus tried outmaneuver her last month. The president had just blocked White House lawyer, Don, Mcgann from testifying in front of the House Judiciary committee. And for Jerry Nadler, this was a real breaking point had gone so far as to make a pact with other members of his committee. If Mcgann doesn't show, we'll call for impeachment and Pelosi sort of sell the writing on the wall that people were about to make a big public push for this, and she sent either notes or sort of buttonholed other top leaders and we're like we need to have a meeting with Jerry Nadler right now tonight. And so she summoned Jerry, Nadler, who's the chairman of the judiciary committee to a meeting in her office. I think it was like nine o'clock ten o'clock at night, and basically confronted him. And had all of her fellow leaders sort of gang up on him like six on one sort of meeting, where Jerry Nadler was arguing for the merits of impeachment, and how it would help his investigation in Pelosi in everyone else in the room was telling him, it was a lousy idea. Did she literally go around the room and be like you know, you make the argument against it. You make the argument against it, and then sort of look at Nadler like what you got. So for my understanding is, she doesn't tell people what they have to say, but, like they know and everybody in the senior leadership is on the tank team on this. So like policy didn't have to convince Hoyer to tell Jerry Nadler, this was a bad idea. And I was there in the hallway to grab him wondering, if you know how it went what happened, and he wouldn't say anything about the meeting, but the main thing was he came out, and he didn't endorsement peach mint inquiry the same way that his judiciary committee members had done, you don't just hours before and would continue to do the next day. He held back a few days later now alert showed up on CNN where wolf Blitzer really pushed him on this idea. Why not impeach the president right now? Mr Chairman, why not open a formal inquiry as I said it may come to that. But why not now what's the problem twisted squirmed Nadler, refused to call Pelosi out? Well right now that doesn't appear to be the support for it in your in your committee, or in the in amongst Democrats in the whole, I'm not I'm not going to get into that. But it does not appear to be the support for it now. And we will see the even the people who are supporting impeachment. They're not pushing for it. They're not pushing her. They're not criticizing her. They're not within for it in this is all because they don't want to go up against her. And she says. No, so that's sort of the dynamic that people don't understand. One of the things I was trying to answer a last week. Say molar comes in and July, and there's just like dozens more joined this movement. And it becomes a majority of the House, Democrats. We'll see change her position. And the answer. I got was now one person very close to Pelosi told me that, even if she is the last person standing the House Democrats standing on peach mint, she's going to fight not to do it. Damn. Right. Today on the show, Nancy Pelosi holds the line is going to tell me how the speaker of the house got to this moment. Staving off impeachment proceedings, no matter how many caucus members want them Democrats might be serious about holding Trump accountable, but they're more serious about something else. Thrown political fortunes. I'm Mary Harris. You are listening to what next stick with us. What next is supported by Charles Schwab. Staying informed is all about asking the right questions, which is why Schwab encourages you to ask questions about the way your wealth is being managed. Do you know how much your pain and do you get your fees back? If you're not happy, a twelve you get low costs and the satisfaction guarantee. If you're not happy for any reason, the refunder fear commission to go ahead, ask your broker some questions, if you don't like their answers ask, again Schwab. To find out more, visit Schwab dot com forward slash comparis-. I want to really understand this equivocation and this back and forth where some members really believe in impeachment, but they don't feel empowered express that my first question is just what are they scared of here? Well, I do think that there are a lot of members who are unsure about what is the right path, and you have some who feel like they have a constitutional duty in. They're worried about how history will judge the House Democrats if they do nothing to stand up to Trump in terms impeach him. But then there are others who worried that if they impeach the president, and it does have sort of a whiplash effect or blowback like Pelosi is concerned about that. It will help Trump get reelected, that means four more years of, you know, very partisan divisive Flickr in that it would be bad for the country in their view to have Trump reelected that, that is the, the most undesirable outcome. Mhm. And so they don't wanna do that. But then it sounds like in the middle of all that you have Nancy Pelosi who has her thumb on the scale. That's right. She has made very clear where she stands on this meeting after meeting, she talks about how Democrats need to continue investigating the president. And she always says, you know Trump wants us to impeach him. She says this over and over again to try to tell people let's not fall into this crap. She sees it as a trap and the democratic caucus, they will get Pelosi. And they listen day really respect her, or they're worried about going up against her. And so a lot of the have fallen in line in even the ones who have not like I said, before they are very careful about their language. They don't criticize her. They don't work against her to try to get the impeachment started. They just sort of go out there and express themselves in leave it at that. You've said this a couple of times that people don't wanna cross her. Can you tell me why? Like can you tell me a story of what she's done? That makes people scared. So there's a couple of instances that people still talk about Democrats who've been around for longer than a decade. They still talk about the runnin she had with John Dingle, who is the chairman of the oversight committee along time ago, he basically disagreed with Pelosi on a lot of policy issues, did his own thing and Pelosi during redistricting, one year tried to get him out. She backed somebody else against him when he ran against another democrat. He won. And so when he came back, she basically gave the green light to one of her top allies to take him out as chairman, and she want her ally. Henry Waxman, took his gavel. There was another instance, with a woman named Jane Harman, who was a fellow California, Democrat. They just never got along. And when Democrats took back the majority when Bush was. In the White House. Jane Harman was set to become the intelligence committee chair, and she made a very big public push for the committee gavel and Pelosi didn't like that. And ended up nominating somebody else from the caucus he was sort of a lower level backbencher, who people were like why was she picked this person? But again, a lot of people sorta chalked it up to her having these differences with Jane Harman, but the most recent example, actually happened in January after the twenty eighteen election policy, actually had a moment of vulnerability where a lot of people watching weren't church. She was going to be speaker again. If she would get the two hundred eighteen democratic votes to become speaker again. Right. Because there were a lot of younger people in the caucus. You had a lot of new voices, right, actually. But that's another story wasn't the new it, what the it wasn't actually, the new voices who came for her. It was the middle of here. Yeah. The people who had been here for a long time who thought they just need a new leadership. So they. Tried to band together to take her out, and she had to sort of suffer through two months of embarrassing headlines about is Nancy Pelosi to be speaker. Can she do it? She's been around too long. They need you know, fresh leadership, and she, eventually, picked them off one by one, either by you know, having their donors, lobby them, she would go to different groups and seek endorsements. And then on the rebels who actually said they weren't gonna vote for her. She would offer them things like votes on their prized bills, or potentially committee assignments, and she would pick them off one at a time. But the thing everybody remembers is that she actually came for revenge a couple of weeks later and kept some of these rebels from getting prime committee posts that they were supposed to have the one everybody talks about is Kathleen rice, who is a democrat from New York, she was supposed to be on judiciary committee, everybody thought that she was going to be, she's a former prosecutor, it was pretty much lined up in the. Bag in all of a sudden, during that meeting when they were picking people for the committee Pelosi swept in and totally up ended at all and named a freshman a new freshman much younger than cathlene rice in terms of congressional experience to this position that keping rice was supposed to get and people see that, and they say, wow. She's got a lot of power. She's not afraid to use it. So they think twice about going up against her. It feels a little bit like putting people's heads on spikes, on London bridge to me, maybe, maybe not I will say that Pelosi's team, they push back on this narrative that she's willing to enact revenge. They say it's more because people respect her than anything else. So it's not like she's out there saying, look, this is what I did to people who went up against me. And in fact, you know they try to down play that, but there's definitely key moments that people remember in that was one of them. What she did was Kathleen rice was one of them. And that makes people. Think about how a decision is gonna affect their own future. When they're trying to get various committee assignments or a committee gavel. They need Polisi at their back to be successful times Oester with something else when you talked about Nancy Pelosi style of how she convinces folks to Francis on the question of impeachment not come forward and not press for something that they may believe in very much and their constituents might believe in you said how she doesn't need to say what you should say, in the room, she doesn't need to tell people how to behave, and it just reminded me so much of Michael Cohen's testimony about Donald Trump, and how he doesn't need to say what he wants you to. You just do it. And they operate in sort of similar ways that CNN, it's an interesting thought, I've heard a number of people sort of make the similar observation, which is that in both parties right now. The power is very, very centralized at the top the decision making when it comes to Trump, the Republican party doesn't push back on him and Pelosi's, similar not I wouldn't say nearly to that extent, but I do think that a lot of Democrats. They sort of see that she's been victorious, so many times she put down this rebellion against her in the fall of twenty eight teen. She came out of the shutdown fight in January, looking incredibly powerful in sort of sticking it to Trump, a lot of people respect her for that. And so I do think there is a lot of difference that is given to her because of how long she has led the caucus and the recent victories, she has had since. Twenty eight teen that people say, oh, she must know something, and I'm gonna follow along with that privately. I've talked to Democrats who hate that. But again, these people are saying this privately, they're not saying publicly, and that again, just speaks to the authorities. She wheels when thing say Nancy Pelosi does seem better at her job than the Republicans who came before her. I wouldn't even compare how she leads her caucus versus how the Republicans did it. Oh my gosh. It's like day and night. I covered Ryan for years, and the Republican majority operated on what was a totally different thing. People were not afraid to criticize Ryan, they were not afraid to even suggest that oath. He does something maybe we will file a motion to vacate the chair, which basically means try to steal the speakership from him. This was a regular Currence people. They just spoke bluntly. They criticized him all the time. The group. That I thought the most was the freedom caucus, which is a group of several dozen conservatives, they would actually go around Brian speaker, Ryan to get what they wanted from President Trump Ryan would say. No. So they would go to Donald Trump and say, we want XYZ, and he would give it to them, even when Ryan said, no, so he was a much weaker speaker and just sort of contrast that with Pelosi where I kid you not, you know, some of the people who've come out for impeachment gave her heads up for they did it because they didn't want her to be mad. So it's just a very different dynamic even though a lot of people see the number seventy and think that, that's a lot of House Democrats who support impeachment. They're not pushing nearly as hard as a group of seventy Republicans would have pushed on Brian and because of that the impeachment movement, they've got a lot further to go. If they're really gonna get there if they ever do. Well, let's talk a little bit about impeachment and sort of how Nancy Pelosi's style is manifesting when it comes. His big question of are we going to undertake this massive operation? I guess I wanna start with what is the polling say about impeachment right now because you mentioned the public sentiment is really important. Nancy Pelosi, but it seems to me like the polling on impeachment is kind of all over the place. It's all over the place for Democrats. Most the polls show that democratic support is increasing, however, that's not the pull set polls at PLC's looking at she's looking at the entire country. And what does the entire country say in most the polling on that hasn't changed? It's been very sag knit from before the mole report came out, even after the mole report came out when a lot of Democrats thought perhaps, we would see a big shift in pulling in more people supporting impeachment. So she's looking at those in saying, if the more report can't move people what is actually going to move people and get them there. And I think that's why in leadership circles, a lot of people don't think they'll ever get to impeachment because if the mole report didn't do. They don't know what will why she looking at those other polls. The ones looking at just everyone in one big mix, because she knows that in order to keep their majority Democrats, don't just need the votes of the base, and fellow Democrats. The reason they have the majority, they were able to convince a bunch of independent minded voters, even some Republicans very educated, female Republicans to vote for Democrats in two dozen districts that Trump actually carried in twenty sixteen. And those are the district's that they need to keep their majority, Steve, Israel, who's a democrat from New York. He told me a story last week or the week before he's retired now but he used to run the d triple c and he was trying to illustrate to me helplessly operates in he said that when he was in the house. Posey would call her leaders into this very barren room, whenever they had this major decision to make on something, there would be nothing on the walls, except picture of ABRAHAM LINCOLN when he was actually in. House for one term, and she would point to this picture, which would of course be right. Above her head behind her. In say ABRAHAM LINCOLN had right? That public sentiment is everything and we can't do something until we get the public on board. It's not just a thing, an argument, she is making for impeachment. This is house. She has sorta operated over the past few decades was she always feels like if Democrats want to do something, they have to make the case for first, and then it can do it, and that is always how she's operated. It seems to me that, that negates the role of congress and political leaders in changing public opinion. Don't they have a role here in leading the conversation? So I don't think she disagrees with the fact that Democrats play a role in presenting their case to move public sentiment. That's what she's challenged. A lot of these chairman to do you know if you wanna do this. You gotta make the case. But again, I just, you know, you talk to people in leadership who- privately say, they don't think that any of these pro impeachment folks are going to be able to change that sentiment. And this is where Democrats had a real problem because, you know, with Watergate in John dean, you know, he showed up on the hill. Everybody watches his hearing in all of a sudden, the public sentiment is moving because of these big, blockbuster moments, the Democrats can't do that, because Trump is not letting them he his ignoring subpoenas, or he is telling people to ignore them in certain executive privilege to keep people like, Don Mcgann from testifying in this is why Democrats are getting really angry frustrated on the judiciary committee, because they wanna make the case, but they can't. Right. But this week, we will have hope Hicks testifying, it'll be closed door, but we'll get a transcript afterwards. Do you think those little dutiful hearings are going to do what the more aggressive Dems need them to do? No, no. I don't. And part of that is because hope picks testifying behind closed doors in the Democrats releasing transcript is about the same thing as robber molar putting out his findings in a four hundred page report. I mean, people aren't going to read it. Let's be honest. Here Americans are busy. They don't have time to read through hope Hicks, transcript in this is the same problem. The Democrats have had bowl time they need TV moments. Those are the moments that could potentially change public sentiment. But they can't get her to testify in public and they need the public to tune in. That's the only way that the public is actually gonna in. You've said that the democratic caucus is sort of slow walking their calls for impeachment. They're not pushing aggressively, they're not doing a lot that, for instance, the freedom caucus would have done. Yeah. What would this look lake? I'm just wondering for listeners out there who are like what, what do I need to be looking for, in my members to know that they're? Actually pushing, what would that actually look like shirt? So first of all, what it doesn't look like I approached Maxine Waters, who is a she's the chair of the finance financial services committee. She has been up there saying she supports impeachment for, I think, two years. Now I said to her what about Pelosi? Do you think she needs to get on board with this, and her response was, I respect Nancy Pelosi, she's gotta take care of the whole caucus? This is just my opinion. Now, if Maxine Waters was the freedom caucus, member, she would say something along the lines of Nancy Pelosi is wrong. She is putting politics before what is best for this country. She is ignoring our constitutional duty. She needs to change. Now, there's a huge difference and the type of language were hearing from the pro impeachment crowd right now in what we would have seen. You know, the freedom caucus do against say, speaker Paul Ryan, same thing with Algren. He was a democrat from Texas who forced into peach mint vote last year. When the Republicans control the house, I've asked him about this. Are you organizing? Are you whipping votes and he says, no, it's very personal decision. Everybody's gotta come to their own conclusions in. He's not coordinating with anyone either. Nobody really knows what will happen on this, and I've even talked to pro impeachment Democrats who say I could be wrong. Maybe Pelosi is right. And I think that, that also holds people back a little bit because they don't know if there's going to be this big public blowback Pelosi is concerned about. And I think that because of that some, some of them have not been willing to sort of put all the cards on the table all the chips on the table to push for this, but saying it's personal just seems like it really misunderstands the job. It's not personal. You're apoliticial in your elected by people to do the job for them. It's actually not about you at all really. I mean, I know we all want to get reelected and no one wants to be fired, but. It's personal. It's not really. You should come up to the hill and say that people. Rachel, thank you so much for this delightful conversation. Absolutely happy to do it. I look forward to listening, Rachel Baid covers congress for the Washington Post. All right. That's the show. What next is hosted by me? Mary, Harris and produced by Mary Wilson, Jason de Leon and Ethan Brooks. We love you've listened this far. So if you are standing us this hard, make sure you're on apple podcasts and subscribed so that you can keep getting the show every day. If you haven't written a rating, Irv you do it now because it kind of makes our day or moms are watching. All right. Thanks so much talk tomorrow.
"I haven't been able to get this moment out of my head"
"One day i'll have grandkids great grandkids. And i'm sure even then. The trump presidency will be the subject of curiosity and the memory share with them. Is how trump telegraphed to everyone that his departure from the white house was going to be ugly. And that's exactly the way it turned out to be this thing. We've been waiting for. Since the presidential election. It happened right. The transfer of power complete. I'm scott bland. This is nerd. Cast just so many memories here politico. We've had reporters watch president. Donald trump up close in the room at his rallies on air force. One crazy who health something. I didn't see that coming the last four years little longer actually campaign and listeners. They have got stories to tell. I've actually never told this story before for the past few years. I haven't been able to get this moment out of my head. This is like the holy shit moment. they've got shit to get off their chests. This is where. Oh i think. Our story just took on a whole new lease on. Life can't believe this happening. Well believe it. None of us can't could go to bed that night. Oh my gosh. All these people need therapy. President trump held a rally in which he argued that windmills cause cancer. It was stunning off the record. No comment a moment in history. I will never forget. So buckle your seatbelts Keep your hands and arms inside the carpet as they say on the latin and let the skeleton out of your closets yes. The president made those comments respond undermining of norms. Here we go the fact that our own colleagues had to pick a bulletproof vests the cover the inauguration. It's just like a crazy sign of the times that i didn't project a month and i really didn't january twenty twenty one has been just absolutely crazy and it's probably given most of us are most searing. Or what will be most searing memories of the trump administration on january six. There were riots at the capitol. I did not think there was going to be riders. An insurrection in our us capitol. Like i just couldn't predict it. And so now i sort of open to the possibility of anything on january thirteenth. The next wednesday. Donald trump was impeached for a second time and then on january twentieth wednesday after that joe biden became president. But i guess there's a sense of relief that the transition of power happened without that tara. Palmeri is one of our four new playbook authors. Where do you wish you were fly on the wall right now. Like what are you. Imagine you'd see what are you most excited about staking out in in your role as a as a playbook author. Okay so if. I was a fly on the wall. Obviously i want to be in the oval office right. I wanna see everything i want to see. What trump left behind and we'll see what trump took. I want to read the note. He left biden. I wanna know what guidance i move is. He sits down in the chair and does he kick his feet up and put them on the resolute desk. Like you know what i'm saying like. What is that like place. He's obviously familiar with. There's so many things to look out for. I mean just in like when we finally vaccinated does the city. Come back to life you know. How do the biden part of town do they take over. What's they're going to be on on on dc as a city. Where do they hang out. I mean the kind of something you probe with the new kind of relaunch playbook and what you and ryan lizard. Rachel baid eugene. Daniel's and the tagline is the unofficial guide to official washington. This sounds like exactly what you're talking about. It's it's not just not just what's happening but what's motivating. The people who are making things happen totally yeah. I think we're going to be keeping an eye on all of that and like the city changes with every administration. I know biden isn't necessarily the most vibrant politicians. He's an older guy but you know he's bringing on a whole new team. Some of them are old. Some of them are coming from obama world. how much influence is obama. World going to have on biden's team are they're going to be rivalries between them where the where the cleavage is going to be within the within the office like giving power struggles and it's just gonna be it's gonna be you know it's going to be like i don't know i don't know what's going to be like. I'm curious how that sort of stuff comes to light right. Because like the trump administration among other things was just notorious for how leaky it was because there was there was so much power struggle there was there was back biting there. Were different power centers. And how do you anticipate. The biden administration is going to be going to be different or similar. I think in the beginning of any administration even the trump administration. There's a little bit more discipline in terms of talking to the press or they're wary of the press. They don't know reporters yet you know they're kind of feeling us all out. A of the news teams have new white house correspondents covering them. They're probably getting a lot of flattering press right now but going to change. We call them source sweeteners. So all of that is going to change and also the dynamics in the white house are going to change. It's not going to be just like this exciting. We've taken over the oval office. They're gonna see the difficulties of trying to move their agenda forward. There's going to be rival. Res within the officer are going to be people who disagree and with all of that with the human dynamic the drama. It's often bound to to leak out. Will it be as easy as covering the trump administration in which like you could just call anyone and find out where they stand and where the issues are people. Just kind of wander around in the west wing little bit. Yeah so. I think security is going to be the same. I don't know i mean listen. Apparently sean spicer has a hard pass. They can take that away. You know this is. These are all things we're going to have to be paying attention. Do i think it's going to be different. But i don't think it's gonna be the same as the obama administration. Because i think trump did make some parts of being president bit more unconventional lax. And i'm sure in some ways biden will like parts of that as well tear as you look ahead to the biden administration. What's a memory from the last few years before that's gonna stay with you. I went got into his golf club with a guest and got swarmed by all of his staff and i tried to walk up to him. We what gatecrashing is my specialty reporters. All over our newsroom are reflecting on things that will stay with them forever. Take our chief. Economic correspondent ben white. If i can think of any story and i've written dozens and dozens about trump and his policies and his actions. His most memorable moment is from an. I will rally in two thousand fifteen where he saw then future. President trump speak for the first time zeal for him And his ability to capture the crowd with what to me like completely incoherent ramblings and saying these terrible things about ben carson In terrible things about immigrants and anchor babies and all the rest of it. And i thought man. This guy could be both dangerous and very very effective as a politician. So that to me really sticks out. I'll never forget that rally in in iowa november of two thousand fifteen. Go back to the other guys later. But let's straighten it out okay. We'll go back to election night. Two thousand sixteen is obviously an iconic moment of the trump presidency especially so for politico founding editor. John harris i think most lasting memory is from the beginning biden presidential transition reporter. Megan casella election night. Two thousand sixteen and cannabis reporter natalie fertig every time i think of the trump presidency. I think of that night when it started. I feel like i know politics pretty well. Long since learned about the hazards of prediction. But i did feel that. The hillary clinton's victory was virtually inevitable throughout the night editors at first were asking like you for versions prepared both outcomes right watching all of the people who showed up completely completely sure that hillary clinton was going to win. Not a doubt in their minds. The event was like a party. You know they had beer huge glass ceiling. It was intentionally chosen to be in history books. And so. I remember that first night when the dominos started to fall and a couple of hours. Then it shifted to make sure you have your trump stuff ready and before too long. It was sort of a much more emphatic. I need to see your trump stuff. Send me your trump stuff now. I need to start looking at it. And i remember that sense of disbelief. Guess everyone always talks about being being in the room with the winner but being in the room with the loser is almost more poignant. That's more interesting. It's kind of more jarring. It just felt like despite our best planning we always knew. This was a possibility but we were thrown back on our heels and that felt like it happened a lot under trump over the next four years we got used to it and we got better at it but it definitely happened over and over again. Donald trump's four years have sometimes been described as a circus. Where will i miss about. Donald trump the whole thing. the whole circus. That don't think that i'm a bad person. For admitting this and pulse prize winning cartoonist. Networker might actually kinda missed the tweets. The old chinese curse about me you live in interesting times. Well we got it. Yeah that's right and in some ways in some upside down world way. It's been awesome and exhausting and i hate to admit it but i will probably miss it and on the other hand white house reporter meredith mcgraw and not gonna miss the tweets plain and simple. I can't even calculate how many times i've had to step out of a dinner or veer off the side of the road to respond to a tweed. Lawmakers also hated having to talk to reporters about trump's tweets as editor darius dixon remembers. I was chasing congressman. Mike simpson from idaho conservative republican but also very very clear in his in his thinking if he knew the answer. He'd probably tell you if you didn't know it you tell you that too. Whenever i caught him he would talk. He didn't like the president's tweeting. He said he found it disturbing. That was his word but he said at some point. There's going to be a moment a moment of crisis like eleven and the president's going to have to be able to get the american people and unify the american people around an issue. And so i always thought about that. And what moment would that be for. Crisis would be water. Be a war would be co founded and then the attack on the capital happened. I and and how do you get the country unify around something like that. You know addressing something like that personally. I remember may ninth twenty seventeen the day james komi got fired and i remember it was the end of a long day and i just remember it was a bit. After five o'clock i was thinking about going home. And i just remember seeing one of our reporters kind of hustling into this central spot in our newsroom. Where a lot of the editors sit. And i'm hearing very softly source just told me that jim komi got fired. That's what i heard. And i remember thinking at the moments like oh my god and then of course a minute later you know. We had the story out. Everyone had story out and it was what everyone in news and people read. News was talking about and so much of the next one to three years stemmed from that moment. Another big thing happening around that time. Republicans were trying to repeal and replace obamacare trump ran on a republicans have been talking about it. For what seven eight years at that point and there was a lot of noise about it in two thousand seventeen and it was eh one night in february of two thousand seventeen. Paul them co was covering healthcare in two thousand seventeen and he was in a bar getting a drink waiting friend that i was waiting for a drink when he got a call from an unknown number. And i answer it and have kind of a strange conversation with this person. Basically kind of trying to blow off. Because i want to get a drink and not worrying about work But eventually this person basically blurts out then that they have a document a document you should see. A copy of the republican controlled houses obamacare repeal plant in his friend shows up and they bike across dc to a street corner and sure enough. This person proceeds to handover a hundred tae jr draft bill. That is the current Republican repose uil to repeal obamacare. And i've became the first person to to see that draft or at least a report on it. It was another two weeks and several different iterations later before obamacare replacement plan was released publicly. And if you'll recall that that bill a version of that bill eventually did pass the house but died in the senate and obamacare remains the law of land house. all seem was in the room. The night senate. Republicans tried and failed to repeal the affordable. Care act the change in the politics of the affordable. Care act in healthcare in general. We're really on on display and on the horizon that night when mccain did his famous thumbs-down being there that night and seeing the chaos and seeing republicans plans fall apart really was a clear window into how we got to where we are today. Sometimes our most vivid memories are not what we covered our particular event. But just how the world around us change like walking into a party. And i went to a party in baltimore where i'm from got their greeted. Everybody and i realized after about five minutes that everyone at this party was talking about betsy. Devos devos had just gone through her. Confirmation hearings talked about guns and schools rural schools. Protecting themselves against the bears forgotten about that. One she'd been given the snl treatment the whole works. Every one of this party was talking about it. And i'm almost positive. Not a lot of those people could probably named the last education secretary or any education secretary for that matter. It was a small thing. But i think it portended hell much so many of our conversations so much thinking for so many people that may not have been to politics before became donald trump. And what he was doing every day as one of the most unconventional presidents of the united states that we've ever had playbook co author eugene. Daniel's remembers a darker day in american politics. The moment i keep coming back to is white supremacists marched on charlottesville. Rick seen remember being scared. I remember being shocked but not surprised. Honestly i think it sums up how we got to where we are right now in this country really well. I'll tell you what i felt like. That was a time when a lot of americans kind of woke up and said oh crap. Racism antisemitism are still very much around. The second reason it comes to mind. is president. Trump's comments that they were very fine people on both sides on both sides. You had people in that group excuse. It was reminded that president trump peasants really hard time and always has of saying anything bad about someone who might like him. It's key to understanding who he is as a person and i think it's also key to why he no longer is. President of the united states are resident aussie in global reporter. Ryan heath has covered trump in europe in new hampshire all over and he covered the davos crowd reacted to trump in two thousand eighteen. We're talking here about the rich s much powerful private jet learning people on the planet and privately the ceo's and ministers they would tell me that trump compass buffoons but when it came to on behalf of business leaders eons room. They just wanted to be part of the spectacle they just completely potted like the red sea for donald trump when he finally arrived and i realized then that they would not stand up to him in any meaningful way turns out. They just wanted to watch like they were little kids of the circus and all it took was from rita for teleprompter and not go after their taxes. And they were just dumped. Let me particularly congratulate you for historic tax reform and so it was clear to me at that moment that trump was going to push boundaries every day his presidency year for the politicians most of them. They were just afraid of him. I remember going up to the irish. Foreign minister of the trump gave that speech and just asked him what he thought of it and he was just afraid to answer the question he ran away from you and that moment just told me everything about how much we needed. They bury close attention to the neurons. That would be shredded throughout his whole presidency. Anthony and dragnet energy reporter. Who's favorite kind of work is accountability reporting. I remember one morning getting in embargoed. Look at documents That has oversight committee was going to release but it got weird under trump. It became clear. That scott pruitt the epa administrator bedeviled by seemingly a million scandals had sought to purchase a used mattress from the trump hotel. And i thought this is not what i expected. This job would look like meghan. Casella remembers reporting trips especially one to illinois to report on trade policy that had hurt farmers tariffs and retaliatory tariffs that made machinery expensive. Well lowering the value of crops. And so i spent a few days talking to dozens of farmers who are really hurting and who had the numbers to prove. It could see just how much their bottom lines had been hit by president. Trump's tariffs but they also that they were going to stick with him because they believed in him. They trusted him. They had all sorts of reasons and it really made me recognize the hold that trump had on so much of the country even when people were really hurt directly by his policies democrat said to pick up that role illinois district but the republican candidate when it really easily two years later the tariffs are still there causing pain. And it's still red district editor. Steve shepherd is one of my partners in crime in the office on the politics team. He remembers the two thousand eighteen midterms when opens got just absolutely shellacked in the house and lost their majority. It was basically a rejection of republican controlled. Congress and president trump. But the president didn't see it that way trump was belligerent. At that press conference he attacked reporters in the room. That's not terribly unusual who screaming match with c. n. n.'s. Jim acosta was particularly harsh but would really sticks out to me was the way he celebrated the defeat of a number of house. Republicans who distance themselves from him. It was bizarre. It was petty was even a little bit funny the republican congresswoman from utah. Me a love quote gave me no love trump quipped about mike kaufman. A veteran republican congressman from the denver suburbs. Who'd lost to a younger democratic challenger trump said too bad mike just twisting the knife even more losing. the house was a huge deal for trump. It meant the functional end of his legislative agenda a series of investigations and his impeachment twice but his reaction to all of it was mostly to pretend it didn't happen. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. After trump's denial the two thousand twenty election results help spur deadly ride at the capitol. And now it all threatens to tear apart a political party for which he never had that much loyalty in the first place. Michael cruz politicos. Trump gist as regular listeners. Know and his reporting has taken him to a lot of trump rallies around the country all remember sitting in the press pin at a rally in greenville north carolina listening to the blunt chant of center back at trump's mention of somalia merican minnesota rep ilhan omar oliver member reporting along the snaking lines in the parking lot outside in arena in charlotte before at twenty twenty rally the day before super tuesday peeling off for periodic squirts from a bottle of hand sanitizer at the window of food truck listening to trump supporters. Tell me the corona virus was like a common cold in the only people would kill would be the old and the week. I'll remember driving. On next to no sleep from dayton ohio where had spent election night in two thousand sixteen to columbus to catch my flight home thinking the next four or more years would be not at all what is expecting and like nothing. We'd ever seen everyone's favorite nerd zach. Montemurro remember the piece of voting rights legislation h r one for the people act. And what this. Bill is would be a sweeping sweeping overhaul of the federal election system. That passed the house but failed in the senate and seeing the late civil rights. Icon and congressman. John lewis speak hearing somebody like john lewis speaking about. This is truly a moment that i haven't really replicated vote if the capital for me at least is humbling building. It's building that. I don't go to a lot for my job when i do this. Stop and take a moment and reflect what it represents in our country's history and what represents going forward to be there and to hear someone like john lewis speaking you don't really forget that for healthcare reporter sara overall one story looms larger than all the others and it makes sense the coronavirus pandemic in the early days. We didn't know a lot about it every single day. We're learning new information about the virus spreads what it does to people. Sarah watched as trump gave daily briefings. She remembers trump created a connection between his reelection and claiming to have been the virus. One of the biggest things that those things dead besides up me and my colleagues time. Every single night was tim. Mary president trump to the pandemic fate. He repeated assurances over and over again about progress saying that scenes right around the corner anti made success against the virus a sort of personal connection to his presidency and his campaign. He made himself the face of it the day that he talked about injecting bleach. I was like how on earth do we deal with what the president is saying and our health officials going to counter him right now and it was that day the day that he talked about injecting. Bleach that actually for a good amount of time the daily press briefings on the coronavirus ended and when they started to pick back up. The president was not a strong feature in them politics. Race and demographics reporter. Mike king went on a reporting trip to understand the georgia runoff elections. I just remember this feeling. Among voters and activists and elected officials particularly those on the democratic side to georgia would be making some kind of history that year in twenty twenty and You could really feel it that there was a belief that something might change. There were some moments and people the folks who are going to miss. Here's meredith mcgrath. I'll miss working. With the trump white house press corps. We lived through and covered this incredibly consequential and unimaginable in so many ways chapter in history and became really close going to these rallies questioning the president dropping everything to go. Cover some fame. Having our eyes glued to our phones expecting a tweet we all really understood what it was like to cover trump day after day. And i really will miss. Working with up. Rewinding was a pretty wild ride. And what will the next four years look like. That's what we'll all be watching. My name is steven. Overly and i write about global trade and technology for politico one recent memory of the trump administration that i don't think i'll ever forget was the night. Trump was banned from twitter because for four years. President trump used his twitter account to make major policy announcements to fire senior administration officials over knowing all the was almost as if this cacophony of noise just suddenly fell silent. All right. that's our show. Our producer is any. Reese our senior producer. Jenny almond and our executive producer is irene noguchi. Our infrastructure is bill cookman and a big. Thank you to a lot of political colleagues. Helped out with this week's episode. Anthony drag ner ben phase ben white charlie tasmanian darius dixon eugene. Daniel's john harris. Maggie severin's matt daily met worker. Maya king megan casella meredith mcgraw. Michael cruz deadly for tig. Paul denko ryan he. 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Day 977: Trump ordered military aid withheld before call with Ukraine WAPO reports
"Raking tonight the fallout from President Trump's call with Ukraine lethal fording the president ordered his chief of staff. I put a hold on military aid to Ukraine at least a week before trump's fateful phone call also the Washington Post reports tonight. Speaker Nancy Sup- Pelosi is sounding out Democrats on impeachment and all hands meeting tomorrow at four. PM and pressure is building at this hour including. I'm from seven house freshmen who defended this country seeing these allegations if true are a national security threat the eleventh hour on a Monday night starts right now good evening once again from NBC News headquarters here in New York. I'm Steve Kornacki in for Brian Williams Day nine seventy seven of the trump administration president trump is just a few blocks away at trump tower at this hour this this as he begins several days of diplomacy at the United Nations but tonight he is facing mounting criticism over reports that he called the Ukrainian president and asked Tim to investigate Joe Biden's son tonight. Talk of impeachment is heating up on Capitol. Hill in some are questioning if this is a turning point just in the last ninety minutes or so the Washington Post has reported that Speaker Nancy Pelosi is quietly asking top allies lawmakers whether the time has come to impeach President Trump Rachel Baid Mike Bonus report quote Pelosi according to Multiple Senior House Democrats in congressional aides. AIDS has asked colleagues whether they believe that trump's own admission that he pressured a Ukrainian leader to investigate a political foe is a tipping point she was making in Kohl's as late as Monday night to gauge support in the caucus in many leadership aides who wants thought trump's impeachment was unlikely now say they think it's almost inevitable valuable in just in the last hour. The Washington Post is also reporting trump ordered a hold on military aid to Ukraine days before his call to that country's president the post reports quote trump told his acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to hold back almost four hundred million dollars in military Kyrie aid for Ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which in which trump is said to have pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the son of former president Joe Biden according to three senior administration officials also late tonight. Seven Freshman Democrats with national security backgrounds wrote an OP ED in the Washington Washington Post saying that if the allegations against the president are true they represent quote an impeachable offense. House Democrats will hold a caucus meeting on Tuesday afternoon. Nancy Pelosi will meet tomorrow with chairs of committees that are investigating the president we are going to get to all of the latest action on Capitol Hill in just a moment but first to recap where we stand at this point on Sunday. The president acknowledged he discussed Biden with Ukraine's president today upon his arrival at the UN. The president was asked again about the phone. Call in question the Ukrainian president about Joe Biden and hear your phone call to see because what we are doing is we want honesty and if we do with the country we want honesty honesty and I think with the new president you're gonNA see much more honesty in the Ukraine and that's what we're looking for. We're supporting a country. We WanNa make sure that countries triest honest. It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption why would you give money to a country that you think is is corrupt. We should point point out. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe Biden or his son well meeting with the president of Poland later today. Trump denied there was ever any quid pro quo. Oh during his conversation. Do you tell the Ukrainian leaders and they would happy eighty. They investigated Joe Biden and his family no I. It's going to be able to see it. Go up because everybody looking for that goal. Keep going to go. You're it'd be very surprised statement that his or can you do. I wouldn't do that. Democrats are demanding. The full whistle blower complaint thought to be at the center of this story from Acting Deny Joseph Maguire House intelligence committee chair. Adam Schiff has called hold on president trump to release the transcript of the phone call earlier today. The president was asked if that was a possibility operatic in training very easily but I'd rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations I have. I may do it because it was a very innocent goal. What part of my whatever nice call it was really a congratulatory call 'cause he had just one it was just confirmed and he's the new president and I think he's as you do an excellent job. It is worth remembering that back on May Ninth New York Times reported that president trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani said he was planning to travel to Ukraine to push for an investigation into Biden son. Giuliani then abruptly cancelled that plan trip to Ukraine and blamed Democrats for we're trying to spin the visit tonight. Peter Baker of the New York Times points out the president's phone call with Ukraine's leader took place the day after Robert Muller's was July twenty fourth testimony on Capitol Hill and adds this quote if anything the president has grown even more defiant since Mr Muller found insufficient evidence wants to establish a criminal conspiracy between the trump campaign and Russia almost as if having avoided charges is daring the establishment to come after him again in the man who once said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan without consequence seems to be testing whether he can do the political equivalent here for our leadoff discussion on Monday night to Poetry Prize winners from the Washington Post White House reporter Ashley Parker and National Security Correspondent Greg Miller. He is the the author of the apprentice trump Russia and the subversion of American Democracy Camera Keith White House correspondent for NPR's with us as well and with me here in New York Anita Kumar White House correspondent and associate editor for politico. Thank you to all of you for being with us and Greg Lemme. Just begin with you because it is that reporting reporting from your news and there's a lot of reporting from your newspaper we are talking about tonight but specifically the reporting from the Washington Post. Take us through what you know how about the president telling his chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney a week before this phone call with Ukraine's president to put a hold you report to put a hold hold on military aid to Ukraine right so in this case I mean this is money that is controlled under normal circumstances by the Department of Defense Defense and the State Department and in this case trump asks is chief of staff who was also acting as head of the to hold that money back to prevent prevent it from being released to Ukraine White House officials were telling us today that that was because of concerns about corruption and and you know I guess one of my reactions when we heard that was that under what other circumstances has this administration made battling corruption one of its signature issues I mean this is not exactly an administration that has made that a core priority. Does your reporting suggested did all that. You say that the White House is suggesting that this had to do with corruption concerns does the reporting suggest that trump was at all more specific like with Mulvaney or more specific in the administration about this being directly related to Joe Biden Son. I mean that's the question that everybody is asking and I'm not sure we have gotten to the truth with that yet. I think that what's important is to look at that. Call at July twenty fifth call at the center of a a broader series or collection of events of course in that in in which the trump administration is withholding not only this money or roughly four hundred hundred million dollars withholding the prospect of a meeting for much of the new president of Ukraine's early ten year refusing to meet with or talk with him and Intel this late July phone call and you have at the same time the president's lawyer really freelancing diplomatically and much more directly and explicitly acidly prodding the cranium government to restart an investigation that they hoped would bring political dirt on the Biden Family Ashley Ashley. This is a White House at Trump White House that is used to being under siege there of course was that two and a half years saga with the Muller Investigation Culminating in the mother the report molars testimony recently there have been a million other controversies flare ups moments when the White House has been forced to defend a comment from the president and allegations against the president these sorts of things. How is the White House regarding the developments in the last twenty four hours specifically relating to Democrats in impeachment today view this as par for the course or do they view this as something different so the impeachment development is quite new but sort of just I generally speaking and this is not everyone one in the White House and in the President's orbit there are some people who are concerned but but there is a sense that this is potentially can be spun as positive the president if he can take this issue and this is his skill set and it involves his trademark shamelessness but take this issue and make it less about him less about about what he did or did not do or say in us that media spotlight to focus on Biden and his son in Ukraine and again you said in the intro of the show there is no evidence that there was any wrongdoing there but that has not stopped trump and his allies we saw this for the past twenty four hours of trying to say that Biden and his son did something untoward did something corrupt that needs to be investigated so the from the President's point of view and you saw this in his public comments today up in New York. He's sort of loving this. This moment that said there is some concern you know of course there was the concern that this could lead to impeachment. That's what we're seeing tonight. At least one step closer. Sir will no more after that meeting tomorrow. That's a problem in in part because you see how the president reacts it's often quite erratically and making the problem worse for himself when he it does feel under threat when he does feel under assault so that's the issue and there's also the risk that is they're trying to shine the spotlight on. Biden his son that this narrative of the president yet again Dan potentially asking a foreign country to intervene to help an in an election held at the political foe is not a narrative they want to harden in the public consciousness Business Anita version of the same question to you the status quo par for the course whatever you WANNA call it for the last two plus years when it's come to Republicans on Capitol Hill in this president has generally either been to defend him or to say nothing to to keep quiet in terms of what you're picking up on how they're processing seeing what's going on right now. Do you expect more of the same or something different well. I think that they do the worry that they have and as actually said some people aren't not worried. Some people aren't that concerned but the worried that they do have. Is that more moderate Republicans are GonNa get away from them that they're. GonNa lose that support. They know where the Democrats Democrats are. They know exactly that they're going to be oppose. It's the Republicans they're really worried about and if that if they start to lose that support than it is all going to go downhill from there so that's it's really their concern. I will say though that feeling pretty good about one thing which is that they feel. This is very very negatively affecting Joe Biden they feel very strongly that everybody I talked to today says this is damaging him and they feel good about that part of it obviously not about the other part we mentioned here just just in the last few minutes that the Washington Post Tonight has reported that Mick Mulvaney was told by president trump to put a hold on that military aid to Ukraine a week before the the president's phone conversation with that country's president now. I've just been handed this this in the last five minutes to New York Times reporting version of the story you can see it up on your screen there the headline line this from the New York Times in the last five minutes trump ordered aid to Ukraine frozen days before call with its leader this from the New York Times Story. I can read to you. Commissioner trump's directive was communicated to the Pentagon and the State Department which were told only that the administration was looking at whether the spending was necessary. The officials said so get a similar here certainly to that reporting the Washington Post came out with a couple of hours ago. You were being filled in in on. Let Me Bring Union Tamra timber. We were shown just a minute ago the president today seeming at moments to suggest that hey maybe maybe a transcript of this call would be released at some point in the future. Hey if you heard it. He said You'd realize there was nothing to it. When he was pinned down on that he wouldn't. He was not let himself get pinned down. I should say on whether he would release. What are the odds. What is your sense of this White House. Actually releasing the record that phone call well. The president also said that he would would love to release his tax returns. If only he weren't under audit which has never been proved that he was under audit when he was running for president. He said that he would sit down with Robert Mueller. That didn't happen so this. This could be one of those lucy with the football kind of things likely likely will be the president in his remarks. I did mention something that is a legitimate concern. which is that these foreign leader calls happen under the idea that that they are not going to be made public but the contents and in particular transcripts won't be made public earlier in the president's administration there was major controversy when some some of these transcripts were elite so there are legitimate concerns about publicly releasing these sorts of things but you know it isn't just the transcript script it is also this whistle blower complaint that is being blocked from Congress and and I think what's happening now and where Democrats looked to be headed is is saying you know you the White House that the trump administration is actively blocking an investigation and and they senator her speaker Pelosi in her letter that she sent to members yesterday used the strongest language language? She's us so far and implied that the the lack of of turning information over is part of the problem too right following up on that procedurally when there is my understanding when there is a whistle blower complaint like this that is the inspector general then deems to be of an urgent nature that procedurally Congress is then supposed to have the opportunity intelligence committees. These are then supposed to have an opportunity to review that whistleblower complaint obviously the white the administration is currently fighting that what is your sense in the trump. White House this is that he battled they think they can win long term or is there a sense there that ultimately this is going to come out in some form well. I would put it sort of an more historical. Michael Context of this is one of many battles if you look back to the Mueller investigation and congressional investigations of that the warehouse is pretty much stonewalled on just about every request they've had from Congress. They've exerted executive privilege to prevent former aides kids from testifying. They've refused to hand over documents and so this is just another example where they're not going to give an inch so far in some some of these cases are making their way through the court system but but so far it has been pretty effective strategy for the White House and it has put Democrats kind of on the defensive. I'm confused about what their next step should be so I think the way the trump white has views it as they're going to fight every single thing and win or lose ultimately. It's a win into sort of be aggressive towards the Democrats put them on the defensive and make them fight for every bit of information needed. There has been a school. I thought that's out there. Certainly you heard this during the Muller Investigation during the Muller Saga they'd on some political level some strategic level the president would welcome the idea of impeachment the idea yeah that he could then sell to his base the idea that he was under attack from the Democrats they would stop at nothing to try to get him out of office. Maybe some sense that that might help him with swing voters make the Democrats Democrats look like they're overreaching. That theory was offered in the context of the molar investigation. Do you think that would apply to this situation or do. You think there'd be danger here. The White House would see because this is this is a different matter than the molar well if we can look at how president trump is responding. He is doing exactly what he did before right. It's the the play out of the same exact playbook. He is using the exact same terms strategy. He's saying it's the media it's the Democrats to the deep state. They're all out to get him so. I thinks he's planning on using that. He is starting to us that he thinks that'll be effective and look. I've talked to trump supporters who feel that this is just like Russia. It's Russia again again all over again and they're saying that because they're hearing the president talk that way and and this is their understanding so. I do think that he thinks it'll be effective if he has to go that. Route Greg Miller bring you back in this. We mentioned this at the top as well some of that other breaking news tonight that there are seven freshman members of the House Democratic Attic Freshman members of the house all with national security backgrounds endorsing the idea of impeachment. They say if these allegations are true here. If these suggestions are true about what the president it was up to in his dealings with the president of Ukraine but all of them endorsing impeachment under those circumstances it does we say there are differences here between the Russia investigation the Mueller investigation and what's now potentially being discussed a one is that you clearly see here from Democratic from Democrats standpoint a national security in urgent national security justification that they are prepared to us here in this situation would it seems and I think that it's not just the Democrats Democrats in Congress right. I mean you just used to important words that the inspector general for the United States intelligence community used when this whistleblower complaint was brought to him he saw this evaluated it and judged it to be an urgent credible national security issue that needed to be brought out to the attention of the congressional committees and leaders of Congress so I mean I I I do think that there is real national security concern here an across the intelligence community which I cover I mean the idea that that a president would use the levers of government for political gain like this is deeply troubling troubling so beyond how this plays out in the White House there is this other dynamic of how it plays out across these entities and the State Department Pentagon who's WHO's monies were were being withheld. Possibly for political purposes here Tim or what can we expect. We mentioned here in terms of Democrats in terms of where they're going from here. All these new calls for impeachment tonight. Meeting of the House Democratic Caucus tomorrow reports that Nancy Pelosi is now raising that question with top Democratic credit leaders there in the house of whether to go forward with impeachment from the president's standpoint as this plays out in the next twenty four forty eight hours. What can we expect from him well at the president is also also addressing the UN General Assembly in having a meeting with the president of Ukraine in the next forty eight hours so there's a lot going on the president's also GonNa take questions from from reporters numerous times in the next couple of days and his story the way he has described this has changed repeatedly. you know these seven lawmakers is that wrote this op. Ed they were there. The majority makers these are largely moderate. Democrats most of them who were the WHO helped the Democrats win the house in Twenty Eighteen these are the types of members that Nancy Pelosi head in some ways been trying to shield from the impeachment question and now they're you're out there in this op ed saying that if these allegations prove true it would be impeachable those members coming forward those members from purple and red districts tricks that significant alright Tamboura Keith Ashley Parker Greg Miller and Anita Kumar. Thank you for being with US and coming up set your watches for four. PM Tomorrow at his Democrats will hold a members only meeting amid those growing calls for impeachment could be game changing moment in later a milestone milestone for the Elizabeth Warren campaign understanding in the all important Hawkeye state. The eleventh hour just getting started on a Monday night. HEY MSNBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. 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Wherever you get your podcasts I have been very reluctant to go down the path of impeachment but it may be that we do have to move forward with that extraordinary ordinary remedy that I have spoken with number my colleagues over the last week and this seems different in kind and we may very well have crossed the Rubicon here. The number of House Democrats who publicly favor an impeachment inquiry has grown throughout the day this evening representative Rosa Delauro from Connecticut Longtime ally ally of Speaker issued a statement that reads in part quote any impeachment inquiry may be the only recourse Congress has if the president is enlisting acting foreign assistance in the twenty twenty election. Congress must meet this pivotal moment in our nation's history with decisive action as we've said the full Democratic Caucus Caucus is scheduled to meet tomorrow afternoon to discuss this politico ads this important detail quote. Nancy Pelosi is expected to meet with the six committee chairman investigating investigating trump to discuss Democrats next steps in May even issue a forceful statement endorsing the impeachment investigation this time it goes beyond trump's trump's dealings with a foreign nation as a candidate now there are serious questions about possible attempts as president to pressure a foreign government to target a political opponent. Speaker Pelosi has already called it quote grave new chapter of lawlessness with us for more Maya Wiley former US attorney for the southern district of New York Now New York University professor with a new school and Bill Kristol a veteran of the Reagan and Bush administrations editor at large of the bulwark. Thank you both of you for being with us. I WANNA take each party one at a time here my let me start with you on the Democrats. When I saw the Rosa delauro statements night I know Rosa Delauro and Nancy Pelosi go way back back unlike Rosa delauro to put Nancy Pelosi in a difficult spot publicly if she could avoid it. Does that tell you that. Democrats have moved substantially closer closer to impeachment tonight it does and I think it also does because Nancy Pelosi has been very concerned about protecting Democrats who won in twenty eighteen gene in districts that had been held by Republicans when you take all of this together it paints a picture that makes it pretty clear that Nancy Pelosi is probably taking in this very seriously that she has to change her position and it's not that surprising I mean just line up the what we have now and reporting compared the report one clear differences trump is sitting in the White House. He is also directly implicated in having the discussion discussion personally. One of the issues in the Mullahs report was yet two hundred seventy one contacts with Russians but you never had donald trump directly having those contacts and you have a donald trump appointee saying he has an urgent and credible complaint whistleblower blower complaint you put all those things together and the Democrats dealing with him obstructing congress at every turn on legitimate congressional oversight inquiry. They don't have a choice. I want to ask you about how the Republican Party specifically Republicans on Capitol Hill are going to process this. Let me just I show folks what is played out in the last couple of hours though Mitt Romney trump critic certainly from the two thousand sixteen campaign now a senator from Utah. He was asked about earlier tonight. Here's what he had to say. I think it'd be very helpful for to get to the bottom of the facts to follow the law gets there that would include the whistle blower as well. L. Is a transcript of the conversation well. That'll be up to the house to decide how to proceed but it's very much I believe in the public interest to get this off and be able to move on so there is Mitt Romney a former Republican nominee obviously calling for that whistle blower complaint to be made available also potentially the transcript of the conversation. I should no Romney made those comments trump through his twitter feed then went after Romney basically video of him losing the election in twenty twelve basically calling him a loser through his tweet their bill. Are you going to see more. Republicans doing insane. What Mitt Romney said tonight or is he going to be an exception here. I don't know but I think it's more likely that it has been at any point so far that others will follow. I think Mitt Romney's played an important role in this tweet on Sunday. I think it was kind of earlier Sunday Sunday. I think it was an important moment. He said we need to get the facts. I it's a very serious matter very troubling you put it in Romney term so it wasn't quite as dramatic as some people like but very troubling troubling troubling in the extreme and we need to get the facts when you what did you say we need to get the facts then you're saying the administration has to turn over the transcript and the whistle blower report and make witnesses available available and so forth and you're implying that if the administration doesn't do that then Congress has been thwarted and Brazilian would have to consider that obstruction. Perhaps itself impeachable. I mean one one of the big things. My is absolutely right that one reason this is so important it's it's trump as president doing this directly from the Oval Office to the president of another nation pretty different from his son meeting in a shady meeting in the trump tower in the middle of a chaotic campaign in two thousand sixteen ironically and other difference now is there's no muller investigation. I mean if this had happened a year ago. Someone would have said House Democrats looking to avoid having to bite the bullet would've said let's let Robert Muller look into it. You know he's looking at everything else and that will look at the report and make decision. No there's no dollar does justice to arm. It's not looking at it. It's not going to get to court anytime soon and so it's in Congress's lap and Congress is fairly square yeah fair fairly squarely faced getting speak squarely faced now with the choice I mean are they going to let trump get away with not only doing this pretty deep pretty terrible thing honesty for president to do apparently if that's what he did but also to simply stonewall Congress. I mean really the ball really is in the houses court so so I think Rosato Laura was very significant. I saw her. It happens last last week with Nancy Pelosi at an event. They're very close. I got the They didn't tell me anything top secret secret but I got the impression for both of them that they were you know they sort of joked to me about how I was. You know more for impeachment than they were that they were sort of opening their minds a little more but but I think this statement by delores very important that signals to me. I think we're Nancy. Pelosi is going. I think Romney has helped reassure. Maybe Speaker Pelosi that there there is the possibility of Republican support. Maybe in the House and incidentally maybe the Senate. If you take Romney's statement seriously it's not just saying maybe the house should impeach sort of saying that maybe be as a Senate Republican he would vote to convict and suddenly if you have a couple more. Republicans even sounds somewhat like that the notion that this is a purely partisan maneuver or they'll be no republican in the Senate who take it seriously that goes away one final thing. I'm sorry I'm going on so long. As I think the House Republicans who served in the military or in the intelligence community the seven Democrats their credit freshman put that state the that op ed earlier this evening. That's very powerful. I think I've got to think that will heard Mike Gallagher Mike Fitzpatrick. will hurt. CIA Gallagher Army and Fitzpatrick FBI former in each cases. They've also streaks of independence is from trumpet moment. I've got to think they're themselves. Maybe this is the moment for me to step up as well well so let let's pick up on what bill said there because he raises the if Democrats unanimously Nanosecond in the House decided they want to impeach the president they would have the votes to do so however they would not have the votes to convict him in the Senate. You need the two thirds supermajority you need. Republican by an if Democrats are making a decision to go forward with impeachment given those political realities. Is there a case there to narrow the scope of this this. You've already got the judiciary committee pursuing some kind of impeachment inquiry. We're not quite sure what's going on. They're talking about a lot of matters in the muller reports and other things that have come up is. Is there a case strategically here for Democrats to say no if we go forward it's about this. Ukraine business make narrow and focused on that and there is a case. Certainly I think one of the things that the Democrats have to be somewhat concerned with is if they have substantial evidence from the mullahs the report that Donald Trump is sitting president took steps to apparently obstruct justice literally take steps to make sure that the investigation was interfered with as a sitting president what might he do here and they probably have to do some work to remind the American in public that their oversight has to protect against that in this case as well so I think there are a couple of things happening here one. They still don't know until they have a preceding seating whether or not they're going to win. Republicans as we've heard Mitt Romney make very clear he's got to see more fair that is fair but this is also so about the American public and what they think after they hear it and what Democrats half to do I think is make sure they have a coherent story that people people can follow simply and the more you confuse things with six years of information the harder it is for the average citizen to to follow but you can't just limit it from this pattern of behavior that may very well arise while they are trying to do any kind of investigation instigation of what we're hearing about this whistle blower in bill. There's also the question of the calendar again if Democrats do decide to go forward with the impeachment and twenty twenty is an election year. This is a first term president. This would not be like Nixon and Clinton who were impeached in their second terms does that affect does that affect the thinking on this at all just in terms of you talk about Republicans and trying to make that decision if any of them are are torn it all in this having any of the thoughts that Romney apparently as having is. Is there a thought there that hey you know what even if this is troubling even if this is wrong. Let the voter sorted out in the election in November twenty twenty don't have Congress six months surly impeaching him. Yeah trump could continue to do things for the next year that actually jeopardize the election of two thousand twenty. It's being fair and free election. I think that's why it is actually actually important event. I very much think they should narrow the case. Move Fast have a select committee or designate one of the committees to move ahead have kind of a month timetable to find out what happened happen if the administration doesn't provide the relevant documents or witnesses or instructs the witnesses not to say anything that itself has to be understood as impeachable. I think that's the key uh otherwise the administration installs delays doesn't answer and you go to court and you're dragging on. They need to make clear this is it and so I think it has to be narrow discreet fast fast opera down there many other potential articles of impeachment but I think in a way you've got to say either stronger if they focus on this what has happened in real time in the last a couple of months with the president the day after Muller testifies on the hill and he thinks he's free. He doubles down on the questionable. Let's say things that he was documented as having done by the report what does that portend for the future so I think the Democrats can make a very strong case by narrowing the scope by making it fast by making it a kind of upper down vote and maybe a select committee something it also but again I mean they have to make clear that have structured is itself going to be grounds for impeachment impeachment. I think my Wiley Bill Kristol and again four PM tomorrow. We may get some clarity on what Democrats are doing. We're not doing we will find out coming up. If you are a Democratic Arctic presidential candidate. It just got harder to make the November debate. I'm headed to the big board with the Party's new rules eleventh hour continues all right so this was the scene in Houston just a couple of days ago. It was the third Democratic presidential debate but this one was different than the previous democratic debates why they could fit all the candidates who qualified on one stage this was the first time you had ten candidates on one stage all together for one night why was that because the DNC head instituted some stricter stricter rules over the summer that giant field of twenty four candidates or whatever the exact number is some strict rules were implemented over the summer polling fundraising raising you had to do and basically ended up with ten who qualified for this debate so it was a different thing you had everybody together for once it played out over one night so the field maybe starting to winnow a little bit because of that now another debate is coming up in a few months. They're doing about one and a few weeks. I should say they're doing about one debate a month. The next one's coming up in October now. Here's the thing here's the catch all of the candidates who are on the stage for this most recent debate. They are qualified for the October debate in however the qualifying period also allowed a potentially two more candidates to make the stage so Tom Steyer who didn't make the September debate in the days as after the September debate he did hit the threshold so he's qualified so you're going to have ten plus tire for the next debate also Tulsi Gabbard the congresswoman this woman from Hawaii. She has not qualified but you still have a week to get into this October debate. She needs one more poll in the next week. One more qualifying poll where where she hits two percent if she can get that in the next week then she would join star and she would join these ten other candidates and you'd have twelve candidates in the next the next debate in October so you'd go from only ten to eleven or maybe twelve in October. That is the next step here for Democrats so that's the immediate thing but there's also this. We say they have these stringent rules. They said for all debates today they announced for all debates after October the debate coming in November here the new rules us. Here's the new criteria for debates starting in November. You gotta be at three percent in four polls or you gotta be at five percent in two polls in the leadoff state to know yes by the way you need to have one hundred sixty five thousand donors so this is for November and beyond just to give a sense of what that might look like the polls so so far they've come out Biden Warren Sanders Harris Buddha judge. They've hit all those thresholds in the polls right. Now that are part of that criteria. There'll be more to come in the coming weeks but right now there are five who look like they're going to be on course to qualify for that new criteria once you get beyond that booker. O'Rourke Yang Tire Gabbard unclear unclear if they're going to be able to meet those thresholds so we're going to go from ten to eleven or twelve in the next debate but then because of what the DNC announced today you could be down to single digits single digits on that debate stage starting in November new DNC rules rose now coming up. We're going to go live to des Moines. That is where Elizabeth Warren is just received some good news to top campaign. Reporters are coming here. When the eleventh hour comes right back Congress failed to act and now Donald Trump has shown that he wiz he believes he is above the law with a little more than one one hundred thirty days to go. The best poster in Iowa says that Senator Elizabeth Warren is the new leader in the first in the Nation Caucus State Warren coming into the Divine Register stor poll at twenty two percent that is a seven point jump for her from June in that is ahead of Joe Biden who comes in at twenty percent in this poll Bernie Sanders Sanders back at eleven percent no one else cracking into double digits for more we welcome to the broadcast both Steve Sheppard chief polling enlist in senior campaigns and elections actions editor for politico and Alexandra Jaffe political reporter for the Associated Press in Des Moines Iowa. Thanks to both of you for being with us. Steve Lemme go with you I in terms of the meaning and the significance of this poll. There's been all this talk for a while. Now that Warren has momentum that warrant is climbing now. Here's a poll equality poll showing showing her in the lead in the first first in the nation caucus state I guess here's the the skeptical question asking she peaking to soon soon. That's a great question. Look the morning register. Poll is the gold standard poll in Iowa and Seltzer has been the gold standard pollster there for a couple of decades gates. Now I look the caucuses are still in early February. There are a long way away and she wouldn't be the first person who opened up a lead however small in this the case statistical tie essentially with Joe Biden she wouldn't be the first candidate to open up elite in the fall leading up to the caucuses and see that lead not hold up by the time you got to took caucus time there was a lot of campaigning to go between now and February. I think it's unclear if she's speaking to the one good news for her is that this has been a slow and steady climb really since she got in on. New Year's Eve she has really especially since the spring been climbing steadily and slowly and so this is not a sugar rush or a sugar high. This seems to be genuine momentum built especially at the grassroots level so Alex. How is the Biden campaign processing this. What what is it like on the ground there obviously he's running on the idea of elect ability running on the idea that he's a winner but if he can't win in Iowa that could potentially actually set off a pretty devastating domino reaction for them fruit for his campaign? How is his campaign processing the rise of war in Iowa again as you know we've seen Iowa sort of end Biden's presidential hopes in the past so it's not beyond the realm of possibility but we have seen not just fighting in but people go a little bit harder after Warren now that we're seeing horizon a number of polls including this one this weekend earlier this week in Iowa. Joe Biden said you know you you gotTa Ask Elizabeth Warren. What's going to happen when she raises your taxes if we're in the middle of a recession and what was interesting about that though and one of the reasons I think Elizabeth Warren is going to have some sort of lasting staying power is when she was asked about these attacks. She refused to sort of engaged. She ignored the attacks. She said that's is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about lowering costs for Americans when it comes to healthcare and sort of pivoted back to her message so while Elizabeth Warren is going to face a taxes access she continues to rise in the polls as we saw from Joe Biden. I think that way she's engaging with this or really refusing to engage with it is going to help her sustain that rise in Alex where you're hearing from voters when it comes to Biden. Obviously electability is as we say is his campaign. They think that's their strongest selling point. What are the concerns and reservations shins. What's holding them back a former vice president at twenty percent. What's holding him back from being higher out there well. The question is is he the most electable and I think as as you increasingly see negative headlines about gaps he's made during the debates or the more folksy him on sort of the trail and there are times is when you can tell he's a little bit tired and may make some stumbles and I think as Iowan see that more and more and as that narrative picks up in the media there are some questions that are lingering during particularly. I found it fascinating speak to older Iowans. Who say you know what I'm seventy. I couldn't be president right now. I'm slowing down and they say I can see that happening. In Joe Biden a little bit as well. I think what's what's sort of saving him. Is there is no other clearly electable candidate. No one else has picked up that mantle. That's still a big concern with Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren and so for now he does seem like the most broadly unifying candidate despite some challenges that he may face so we note the Iowa poll over the a week in the moines register poll puts war ahead by two points. You could also look at this you go from Iowa eight days later to the New Hampshire. Here's the average of the polls right now in New Hampshire Biden Biden on average head there but again very close sanders right behind him and Warren only a couple points behind both of them. Steve It is not we play these things out too far in advance. I know but if Elizabeth Warren wherever to win Iowa the track record of a Massachusetts candidate in New Hampshire is pretty good and the track record record of candidate winning Iowa and New Hampshire getting the nomination is also pretty good the winning in Iowa would be rocket fuel for her campaign. The one example I keep coming back to and kind of analog for this campaign might be two thousand and four and we were in the fall of two thousand four two thousand three rather looking at Howard Dean Vermont governor really gaining strength and tapping into a lot of grassroots support but for Democratic voters the most important thing in that campaign came beating George Bush that became a dominating issue. We all think of Howard Dean scream the night of the Iowa caucuses is what undid his campaign but he had just finished third that night this is his campaign campaign was was sputtering long before that that was the final nail in the coffin. Eventually Democratic voters decided they wanted somebody who could beat George Bush and they went with John. Kerry and John Kerry didn't beat George Bush but that's a lesson that I'm just thinking about a lot as I think about what I will could mean and what that could mean for New Hampshire. These are places where Elizabeth Warren if she can go can can go the distance in Iowa. She'd be set up really well in New Hampshire eight days later all right well our guests are going to stay with us when we come back ready to go back to our top story of the impeachment and how it relates to the twenty twenty race but right back we have more breaking news tonight on the thought inside the House Speaker's office. NBC News is reporting that House Speaker Nancy. ANC Pelosi is dropping her month long opposition to talk of impeachment considering it as too divisive in the past but multiple democratic aides tonight tonight say that Pelosi is asking colleagues whether they believe President Trump's own admission that he pressured his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Joe. Biden is a a tipping point. Pelosi's office is refusing to comment on the record. NBC News has also learned that Speaker Pelosi and House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler spoke spoke by phone today about the trump whistleblower complaint and impeachment Alex Jeffy and Steve Sheppard are back with US Alex. Let me start with view for months. We've been saying that it would be surprising if Nancy Pelosi were to come out for impeachment. Have we reached the point where it would now be surprise if she doesn't you know I don't think we're at that point yet because there are still a number of Democrats that are key to their chances of holding onto the house that are reticent to support it to our here in Iowa abby thinking our and Cindy axe need just won a tough tough races in two thousand eighteen those are districts that went blue to Red Red and Donald Trump won tight races and so they're worried about their re election fortunes and Donald Trump is still pretty popular here so in still we until we start seeing that lawmakers like those to come out in favor of it. I think she's still in a bit of a tough spot when it comes to impeachment so Steve Alex knows there are still some of these swing district district competitive seat. Democrats who clearly have some political doubts about the the wisdom politically of impeaching the president but then again there also are some from swing districts tricks now competitive districts who are coming out publicly Edmund speaking before you mentioned the seven Democrat Freshman Democrats with National Security Experience who co author that Washington Post op ED tonight. Four of them come from districts that Donald Trump carried in in two thousand sixteen two of them Elissa Slatkin of Michigan and Abby Span Abigail bamberger rather of Virginia come from district's Donald Trump carried by five points or Greater this is Republican territory and while it is true the accident have you thinking our and a bunch of other House Democrats who are vulnerable have not come out for this yet it's nine thirty one of the Democrats who represent trump districts districts are for impeachment and half of those were today alone so I think we are seeing what could be the beginning of a turning point here and it's difficult to imagine that these four vulnerable Liberal Democrats on the Washington Post op Ed would come out so forcefully like this. They weren't some kind of stalking horse. Maybe four Speaker Pelosi in democratic leadership or at least felt confident that these calls weren't going to fall in-depth. Here's Alex if there is an impeachment proceeding up by Democrats it would intersect at some point obviously with the presidential race. I'm just curious out there covering this. How much does this come up on the campaign trail for Democrats and for their audiences it's interesting. It's not a question that comes up from from the crowd. I mean it seems like a Pretty Universe universally agreed upon among most of the Democrats in the field that it's time to move towards impeachment of course Joe Biden is not in that sort of group but voters. Don't bring it up there asking you about healthcare. They're asking about issue so until trump sort of forces the hand and until hill some of these candidates start picking it up more as as a calling card. Perhaps I think it's not as frequently mentioned on the trail as you would expect all right Alexandra Alexandra Jaffe Stephen Shepherd thank you both for your time tonight appreciate it and that is our broadcast for tonight thank you for being with us and good night from NBC News Headquarters The New York. You knew for meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.
November 8, 2018
"There's morning. I'm Anna Palmer, and welcome your politico. Playbook audio briefing sponsored by BP and I'm Jay Sherman. Breaking news out of Thousand Oaks, California. The waas Angeles Times reporting gunman opened fire late Wednesday two Thousand Oaks bar packed with hundreds of people attending a popular event for college students causing multiple fatalities. The gunman burst into the Bard eleven twenty cloaked in all black as he threw smoke bombs and began shooting at targets as young as eighteen inside, the borderline bar and grill Ventura County sheriff's deputies arrived and got into a firefight with the suspect which left one deputy seriously injured officials said there been fatalities. But could not say how many at least eleven people were injured. But that number is expected to rise. The president has served up to Democrats their first investigation on a silver platter? The dismissal of Jeff Sessions has sparked fury of behind the scenes activity. As Democrats looked understand what the Trump administration was thinking by booting the nation's top. Law enforcement officer. This is literally perfect investigative fodder for hill. Democrats Republicans can't really say this is over each if Democrats could hand pick investigation to kick off next congress. This would be it. Incoming House Judiciary chairman, Jerry Nadler of New York, incoming oversight and government reform chairman Elijah Cummings of Maryland, incoming intelligence chairman, Adam Schiff of California and Senator Dianne Feinstein of sent a raft of letters to the administration asking them to preserve all materials, quote, relevant to the work of the office of the special counsel or the departure of the attorney general remember investigations don't begin with subpoenas. They begin with letters and requests for information. When those going answered then the threats begin and then the last resort subpoenas. These investigations tend to drag on political is out with a list of possible sessions replacements, which includes Matt Whitaker Rudy Giuliani Bill bar. John Sullivan, Janice Rogers Brown, Alex as are among others. On the investigations front. The Washington Post writes that liquor could sharply curtailed Muller's authority cut his budget ordering him to cease lines of inquiry and the Miami New times reports that Whitaker has had his own problems including being involved in a Miami. Based scam company that the Federal Trade Commission shutdown last year, Alex is instead scoops the Jeff Sessions is looking at running for his old Alabama Senate seat in twenty twenty that according to people familiar with his thinking a lot of lawmakers on the move making their move for leadership bids John Bresnahan and Rachel Baid report that Nancy Pelosi sent letters to democrat incumbents and members asking for their vote for speaker, Wyoming Republican Liz Cheney held a conference call with downtown lobbyists to explain her theory of her candidacy for conference chair. This comes as she spent much of Wednesday on the phone with colleagues Cheney is trying to show strengthen her bid to edge out possible candidates and potentially dissuade current conference chair, Cathy McMorris Rogers from running again here are the leadership candidates in. The house as of now for speaker, Nancy Pelosi majority leader, Steny Hoyer majority whip Jim Clyburn and Diana get DEM caucus chair. Barbara Lee, and Linda Sanchez are both going for that position and assistant leader Sherry boost us and Ben Ray Luhan on the Republican side of things for Republican minority leader Kevin McCarthy, and Jim Jordan are both fine for that. Slot minority whip Scalise Republican conference chair. Liz Cheney Senator elect Mitt Romney. Yes. That sounds strange. But that's what he is has set up a political action committee joint fundraising account. Those are signals that Romney is going to employ his fundraising prowess in DC. The pack is called believe in America pack, and the J F C is called team mitt the Wall Street Journal's reporting at the Pentagon is no longer using faithful patriot as the name for the border deployment some Saad is having political overtones related in the midterms. The whitest pulled CNN reporter Jim Costa's press credentials after a contentious exchange. With Trump at a press conference yesterday press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, fabricated the reasons for revoking his credentials when she claimed that cost a place his hands on a young woman just trying to do her job as a white has intern which resulted in the decision to suspend a cost access to the White House until further notice video replays of the interaction showed that this was clearly not the case CNN responded forcefully saying it was done in retaliation. And the decision was unprecedented and threat to our democracy at work said Jim Acosta has our full support. Here's it's on tap for Trump's Thursday. The president first lady Melania Trump will leave the White House at nine thirty to head to the supreme court. They will meet with justices at nine forty five than tend to ceremony for Brad Kavanagh afterwards. They'll return to the White House at ten thirty Trump will then meet with secretary of state, Mike Pompeo subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.
November 26, 2018
"Good Monday morning. I'm Jake Sherman and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing. Sponsored by the better Medicare alliance and I'm Anna Palmer well here. We are. It's monday. My next Friday. Congress needs to figure out how to fund president Donald Trump's border wall. Seven spending bills need to pass in the next eleven days to avoid a temporary shutdown of big patches of the government. Here are the incentives for the President Trump has just thirty nine days left of an all Republican DC. He has every incentive to push as hard as he possibly can for as much funding as possible for his border wall shutdown wouldn't even hurt too badly. He just funding which expires December. Seventh can be continued on an emergency basis. If congress can't pass a Bill so there is nothing stopping him from a big time drag-out fight. Meanwhile, the Democrats take control of the house in just a few weeks. So they have zero incentive to cooperate in passing something to build Trump's border wall dramatic. Daca. These could all be on the table. Remember, Trump need sixty votes in the Senate. So democratic cooperation is a must and for Republicans a huge slice the house GOP feels that Republicans never lived up to the promise of Trump's election by not fighting hard for a border wall. So watch for the Jim Jordan's of the world to push hard for wall funding. Remember the deadline is December seventh and this could stretch until Christmas, which is the logical backdrop the Wall Street Journal is reporting the Democrats want to protect Bob Muller's probe as part of the spending Bill also happening this week house. Democrats will hold closed leadership elections Wednesday Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and Jim Kleiber are all running unopposed for speaker majority leader and whip Rachel Baid Heather cable, John Bresnahan report that there is more. Good news for Pelosi Representative Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts, one of the rebels opposing Pelosi has said he will back her on the house floor over Republican on the January third speaker vote. Meanwhile, set molten is getting some rough press back home. Home and the Lowell sun, which is asking questions about the anti Pelosi effort, the AP's reporting that Mexico has said it will increase security on the border after migrants tried to cross yesterday causing thirty nine to be arrested and US agents to fire tear-gas. The Washington Post is reporting that Trump is now demanding a plan to reduce the country's budget deficits, although he keeps talking about increasing spending privately. Rachel bait has a piece on the new democratic majority. And how the boys club on Capitol Hill is bracing for scores of new female members ANSI cook and Darren Samuelson, write that the White House laxed lawyers to deal with the empowered House Democratic majority and number investigations they plan to launch and down in Mississippi Jane's, Arkan writes, the Republicans are nervous about the Tuesday special election with Mike Espy showing momentum the political operatives still thinks Cindy Hyde Smith who pull off a victory. Here's what's on tap for Trump's Monday. The president is having lunch with vice President Mike Pence. He will leave the White House at two thirty five travel to to blow Mississippi were he'll headline a political rally. He'll then travel to Gulfport where he will participate in a criminal Justice roundtable and then block see for another political rally afterward. Overturn to Washington subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.