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"Simple. It is totally obvious. When these guys started juicing, oh, you can't say started using its allegedly report. Let me physical evidence. In other words, the guy puts on thirty pounds of lean muscle mass in too short, a time his forehead expands and then his home run to at bat ratio. Doubles at an age where everyone else in history has declined physical evidence is much more compelling than. Direct evidence sometimes over seat from belco. You can forge a receipt from Vacco. You can't forge thirty pounds of lean muscle mass and doubling your home run rate. Okay. We know exactly. When these guys started using Clements was in the Klein was still -ffective pitcher. But no longer the dominant great pitcher of the American League after he'd won three Cy youngs. When he signed a deal in Toronto. And then one back toback pitching triple crowns wins ERA and strikeouts. He was the dominant pitcher in the American League in maybe better than he'd ever been in Toronto. All of a sudden his fastball. The everything's back for Roger Clements. How did that happen duck? Right. Barry bonds. You're right. Stephen, Brian Kenny, and I who now does MLB network have Brian Kenny can Friday night fights on ESPN two. And during commercial breaks at time too. Big baseball fans, we think geeking out we like damn isn't it a shame that bonds missed the steroids era. Look at what these other guys are doing. He's still is good as there. But he's not hitting the home runs bonds, and as usual. He got hurt. And then coming back from injury. You start to see him put up on base percentages guys. Not in the high source because he was one of the greatest in the fives. He wants had an on base percentage. Once he started using over sixty percent of the six hundred slugging over eight hundred hit. Okay. So how does this all out up to whether or not they belong in the hall of fame? It's very clear since you know, exactly when they started juicing you'd have to you have to be a fool not to see it were they hall of famers when they started juicing. Yes. Or no with bonds. It is clear. He was a first ballot. No doubt one of the three or four greatest left fielders in history hall of Famer, Ted Williams. Stan Musial Rickey Henderson Barry Bonds. He's in. It's a joke. Not the put them in. Once he started juicing. He became the greatest hitter who ever lived better even than Babe Ruth. He didn't need that to be in the hall of fame. Roger Clemens was a borderline hall of Famer once he got to Toronto. So that's your judgment, call take what he did until Toronto and say is that hall of Famer I would actually say, yes. In the way, ROY Ray ROY halladay as a hall of Famer he won three side. He was always up there and Cy Young voting. It wasn't a very long career at that point. But it was dominant borderline on Clements. I would lean toward yes. On him based on what he'd already accomplished guys, this ain't that hord. Well, well, listen, it's never been hard for me. But my position is very very clearly has she in Boston. Roger Clemens was ten to thirteen RA live around three six, but he let me to strike out very next year in Toronto twenty one and seven ERA of to you just sit there looking at it when this happened. So obviously the timetable that your point now absolutely accurate right on point. Because that's what we were looking at Roger Clemens is saying what the hell is going on. We have never looked at Barry Bonds at any point in his career and questioned whether or not he was a future hall of fame. Never we've never looked at it from day one. We watched this brother perform, and we knew eat I'm talking about before. Like, you said the terms of the time, you know, Tom. I wanna hold of famous does. A time when it came to him as a home run hitter, which obviously has taken about PD's, but clearly was no issue with him as a hall of fame talent. So I'll look at it from that. But in the end, I'm also looking at a guy that ever that they will in what other people doing, etc. Etc. And they didn't sit there. And excel this by us, and I'm also looking at the fact that again, this guy is running from it and you harassing him Roger Clements, literally defiant. Everybody went up on Capitol Hill with elected officials, embarrassing us as Americans doing everything they can get a photo op within for crying. He's on Capitol Hill going office to offer that and they were sitting there pursuant him. Now, I want to take pictures with. I wanted to do when they went out to quite wanted to get into this before we get out. So I said I was gonna talk about McGwire and Sosa people who would say and Dan Shaughnessy who does who worked with on around the horn love, Dan. But he and he said, basically, if you've cheated you're disqualified, I really disagree with that lots of players have cheated throughout the history of baseball corking. Pat's throwing spitballs and they're in the hall of fame. Right. It's not just about whether you not you cheated made the wrong ethical choice. Many people have it's what's the efficacy of the cheating. How effective was it? Did it turn you fundamentally into something you weren't McGuire and soci- you could see exactly when it started? It turn them into things. They could have never otherwise been the answer is no on them. And they weren't hall of famers. When it started battery bonds got turned into something fundamentally he wasn't the greatest hitter by far of all time, even better than Ruth or anyone else. But he was already clearly a hall of Famer for everyone on us questions. Well, it just because it's not just hire cheating. It's what did the do? We got a commercial break in Alex Rodriguez. A rod will be here later. We'll get into this with him. Ask him a lot of questions. It'll be interesting conversation both Clements and bonds have three years left of eligibility on their hall of fame. Ballot. With your sports center right now, I'm Trevor skills as much as folks wanna talk about change in overtime rules after the chiefs lost in the AFC championship. Casey looked at one area that they could control to make a change that defense two days after the championship game. The AFC runner-up fired the defensive coordinator, Bob Sutton after six seasons in that role. Now Sutton side of the ball gave up five hundred twenty four yards in Sunday's including a pair of go ahead. Touchdown for the pats with under four minutes left and regulations. But this move was made up of much more than just a one game sample under sun. The chiefs defense ranked near the bottom in most the typical categories last two seasons on top of that they ranked twenty fifth in defensively in two thousand eighteen as far as where Kansas City's looking. That's well, he's a colleague about Rex Ryan is on the watch this. According to our Adam Schefter, the former bills and jets had has had six seasons where his defense ranked top five and yards allowed. During his entire NFL team tobacco over the first take to discuss. Trevor thank you kindly. All right. Here's the deal. Folks, Rex Ryan currently a member of our team here DSP and attention to the GPS as a defensive coordinator, according to our Adam Schefter Damien Woody in the house sweater. I'm Steven A. What would Rex do they focus? It looks good focused. I like, okay. Well, wreck stick one. You did. Again, you want. He wants. You looking on bass everyone settled down. I do feel like a teacher with my glasses. What would wreck sue for Casey the he'd make them the favorites to come out of the AFC next year is just that simple. To me. Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator in Baltimore never ranked less than six defensively. Two years. He was topped one year. He was five another year. He was six Baltimore as a defensive coordinator as the head coach for the New York Jets in the six years that he was there. I mean at least four times he was ranked in the top in the top eight three times in the top. Bob demand knows thing too. About defense we've seen and be Bill Bill to check in a playoff game in New England on a road is head coach of the New York Jets because of how he coaches defense we've seen the jets. Contribute. A lot of things. Do a lot of things positively on the defensive side of the ball in his tenure the problem with Rex Ryan. And the jets was him as a head coach because offense he appeared to be challenged. But as a defensive mind, he's considered nothing short of brilliant throughout NFL circles. And when you consider what we've seen from Kansas City this year knowing what a damn good coach. Andy Reid is how high power that off. That's the fact that Eric b enemy ain't gonna get a head coaching job. I'm so surprised with that. Okay. The fact that he's going to still be there next year in all probability that Andy Reid is going to be there there. Patrick, Mahomes is going to be there that tyreek hill is going to be the Travis Kelsey is going to be there on the authentic side of the ball. You expect the Kansas City Chiefs to be just as potent as they were this year. The question is what do you do? What do they look like if they have any kind of defense and the answer would be they would probably be the favorites. And that's the way I'm looking at it. And that's why I would I would bring Rex Ron on board. In a heartbeat. I think there's a good chance. Rex Ryan improves the defense. I'm not positive though has he kept up with the new NFL. You know, you have to be able to coach against these new offenses and the kind of big twelve concepts that are all over the league. And Rex Ryan was an excellent defensive coordinator. He was not an excellent head coach. That's the way it goes sometimes, but he's not being asked to be a head coach in this case. He's asked to be to do the thing that he has done. Well in the past the thing that got him a hit. Right. Although this is not like two or three years ago. We're going back already some ways last time. He was a D coordinator. The fact is the case defense, Lou underrated. They had at least a typically speaking the best pass rusher in the league. People know that they could get to the quarterback. They couldn't stop the run to save their lives. But you know, what they had one of the hardest ofensive schedules of any team in the NFL. But when you look at the other playoff teams understand they all had like, the easiest, offense or schedules. Meaning the how how efficient the offenses word that they played against the chiefs were like seventh or eighth or fifth or sixth hardest in the NFL. So stopping the run against teams who are going to do those things well as a little harder than you know, when you have an easier schedule nevertheless by playoff time, they seem to do that. Well, again, now, I think a lot of what we saw the problem against the patriots is they didn't blitz. Tom Brady on a lot of teams haven't blitz. Tom brady. It's a big mistake because they're so afraid of what he's done in the past picking you apart. But this year he was like dead last against the blitz. That was a mistake. So but overall the chiefs defense, I think Stephen A, you are underrating them. And I do think there's a good chance. Rex Ryan could make them better than they were. I'm not one hundred percent sure yet his to show that he can still do it in this NFL. But based on his track record, you'd have to think it's an upgrade. Rex Ryan is a defensive