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UFC Vegas 14: Felder vs. RDA Preview Show

The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani

31:07 min | 2 months ago

UFC Vegas 14: Felder vs. RDA Preview Show

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The network businesses rely on five g. Nationwide available navy hundred placebos visa. Five devices monthly proline pricing with five lines on biz unlimited start device payment smartphone purchase auto pay and paper free billing required terms apply. You're listening to vox media podcast network. Well hello there everybody. We are live finally on this friday the thirteenth senior in november. It's you have seen vegas fourteen eve. Apologies for the late. Start a we have made it ahead of tomorrow. Night's biggest fourteen events at the apex in las vegas nevada. Hope you're having a wonderful day. Practice event view. I connect being joined by the most recent between the links winner. Jose young's the prince positively. Alex kaley answer extraordinary. Any casey lodden and we'll be live for. I don't know twenty five thirty minutes or so before. I have to go pick my son up at school. We want to hear from obvious if you have any questions. Comments about the events. Mostly tomorrow night's guard. I know you guys like to talk about all sorts of things but let's focus on tomorrow night's car leaving the chad. We'll get in the moment but Jose let us begin with the mate of because on sunday. We've found out that islam macek was out of the fight with highfield assange. We're all wondering who is going to step in and replace them. Rda chan there. We knew that wasn't going to happen. And everyone just kept throwing out these names and ideas from fifty five seventy but one name was not suggested. at least i didn't see or hear it anywhere. It was the man who stepped in on five days notice and that man is the irish drag. All we reacted to it on between the lengths as a went down before we get into the fight itself. Jose from a fan's perspective and this is no disrespect towards Chaff do we get the better end of the stick with the replacement here. I don't know it's it's in terms of fans. Probably i bet it'll be a lot more action packed in striking a striking battle but which is fine But as like an journalist and like a hardcore fan. I was just really interested in seeing islamic defy. We haven't seen him in more than a year. We've been hearing about how great he is and how he's the air parents have even made off. I mean everyone habib's team says it. Daniel cornyn says there were calls for him to find michael chandler when rda pulled out of their original fight at uc two fifty four. He was supposed to fight hernandez. I think in april and so for this all the covert stuff happened so i look forward to seeing fight whether he was gonna win or lose. I wasn't. I don't know but i would have favored him against failed to sign this bill. Designing us is dropping back down lightweight for the first time in a while. Historically doesn't do great against wrestlers. So i was very much looking forward to seeing islamic jihad. But if i'm just a casual fan looking for something to do on a saturday some knock going out. And i'm not being big crowds and i'm not risking the lives of other people. I think felder. Rda is a better fight in terms. Of what will look at the blood flow and you know what the what the violent gods want so short. I see what you're saying. But i personally was very much in florida. Market jevon rda. I definitely agree. I mean from an entertainment. Standpoint is kind of where i'm going casey. What do you think you like this fight better or would you rather see in the original main event Originally main event of course I wanna i wanna we wanna see how good Market jeff is then. This was the big test. Main event lots of media on him you know the media will be focused on him to the new. The next habib habib even been in his corner if he actually wanted came down. We don't even know. I mean you know so. Yeah and then the entire fight week would have been completely different with the story lines and everything and this fight. Yeah it's cool but It doesn't mean too much because what felt it gets is asking. All right. Came on a game on two hours. Notice you know. Nfl is like cool story. But he beat the guy. That's you know way behind him in the rankings. So i mean i just i just think putting felder and they're just made so much sense but i mean i guess i mean it's fun but in terms of storylines contain lead to move the lightweight division. Now that's different. I mean it's because paul is interesting case because he wasn't exactly sure about his fighting future he's been doing such a great job at the commentary and i kind of disagree with the case. I think this is a very important fight for a number of reasons and most importantly short notice or not one fifty five is very much up in the air. Now so the stakes. I guess are pretty high here so aka when you look at the match up the xs and os of it. All as i fight fifty five since he lost a tony ferguson. Like four years ago feld coming back after that. Incredible fight with dan hooker. What do you think this one from. of this from a stylistic perspective i love it like i i think as as the other guys said yes it's not you know it's not as compelling storyline standpoint but i think competitively. It's it's more interesting. I mean look Makhachev would have been pro. I didn't see the final is. But i imagine up until last week when the fight was still together a two one favourite maybe more. I'm not sure. I didn't see the odds but i imagine at least two to one. This is probably a little more. Even i guess. Rda probably favorite. Now because fell just coming on on short notice already. I i would consider the higher ranked fighter even though i was. He's coming back from Welterweight i'm actually right now. Just trying to figure out. Where does sanyo's would be ranked. I think he'd still be topped by right. Like i would put him above Dan hooker you guys. Put that hooker to fight. Losing kind of justify welterweight welterweight welterweight though right at welterweight right four years. I'm i'm just saying argument. You're saying it in a matchup between hooker and does that favor probably hooker right now. I would favor designed. Yes would be like. I don't think runs over in but like we saw it depends on which already shows up like. I'm not saying hooker wins. Because he's tall. Because saw neil magny magazines taryn wellesley division but then we see what lightly on edwards did. It's already like just kind of peace them up for five rounds with that inside on hookers gray with his elbows. Knees especially enclosed during so probably hooker. But i'm not saying you tear through. Yeah i may be living. I may be living in two thousand sixteen. I won't lie. It was it was a good year. I think that's a good year in my life and let's go back there but i actually like skill wise. It's just. I haven't seen that. What you would drop off from from does is even in the she has kids. It was so much bigger grappler edwards like said kind of that. That was probably the most convincing as far swan beating. Rda protect sampling. But otherwise i mean and against like who's mon- covington just so much bigger able to push the pace on him that he he practically just can't match at this age so let's maybe he's fouled best bet he doesn't have the grappling or some of those guys obviously but his best is to kind of follow that blueprint. We now know the blueprint to be to. It helps if you've got you know five ten solid pounds of botswana which presumably failed. It will not have that kind of advantage but we we but we do know the front. But i see as being a little more even a little bit more like just sinuses best performances. So i think it's really really competitive. Fight and i i'm with you guys. Of course i would rather have seen the macho fight boy. What a compelling story this is with with felder coming in. And and i do think that the wind matters. I do think it could lead to something breeder one last run for donyo organ builders say hey look he's been saying for a while he wants his to To end his career on big we how close to the end but whatever his last two three four years competing he wants big flights. He wants topped by guys. And again i think as essentially a top five lightweight though right has been has been has been removed from the makings for some time. But i think a lot of people's minds this is your new ranking system. Finchley essentially. I like to. I like to consider where the fighter was five years ago. Like to add that you have to. You have to add that. The equation related central. If i if i've yelled asandra wins this fight. Make sure you listen to on to the next one. Because i have no idea what ak is gonna pick for for happy designed just next being a top five guy in two thousand sixteen but will say jose. I feel. I mean every fight. There's pressure on both sides to win but to me in feel free to disagree with me. I feel like all other especially coming on short notice like this. He is playing with house money here. Yeah the stakes are high. But he's stepping in five days notice. He's the hero of the day of sorts. Both already looking to make a splash at one fifty five once again starting with saturday. Do you feel like. Rda has the lion's share of the pressure tomorrow night rda. Probably i mean. I'm not saying it's it's he has an enormous amount of pressure going there when because considering he was preparing for Dahgestani wrestler now. He's fighting a kickboxing specialists from philadelphia. So little bit of. I give him a little bit of what i i don't know where i'm looking for but i give them benefit of the dow soon because just training for a completely different five days notice In a new way class felder wasn't even remotely in. He wasn't preparing for a fight either so obviously fell there. If you lose. I think if he goes out there and loses about thirty seconds. It's not going to be like. Oh well you know he. He was apparently Exac that's i'm not saying he's going to i just think it depends on how he's going to win or he's going to lose. Rda goes out there and crushes them thirty seconds people. So yeah that's what he was supposed to do and you move on from there. Feldon loses in thirty seconds Himself said maybe i don't. I shouldn't be fighting. Because if i'm losing to. Rda this badly. I should be fined for the title so it might be the last time we ever see paul felder. A fight inside the octagon. So i think it's a little bit of a a different sort of pressure in terms of rankings. It might just be paul felder. Fighting to see if he's still belongs in mixed martial arts As a competitor out there and has a competitive fight with former champion in a main event on five days notice. I can imagine we'll see fell again inside the octagon but if he goes out there and lays eneg. I can't imagine we'll ever see him every in competing. Obviously be He's gone he'll be he'll be behind the mic. But well we'll see. I mean if big opportunities could come again. It's we're in. The middle of a of a strange era and opportunity could knock once against our no so for those wondering about the betting odds average. Rda's around minus one eighty favorite in the comeback. On paul elders around plus fifty five. I think the odds are. I think the those are pretty good odds right now so casey the million dollar question. Who gets this thing done tomorrow night. Since i think for the average fan base the happy ending would be Winning with some hilarious hellacious elbow some ground and pound. But we're going to see. A five round snooze does on your on just out wrestling daughter. That's that's how twenty twenty twentieth. That's where we're gonna see. Wow we're going to be Rda giving a A pet is like performance when you when you That's that's my prediction. Unfortunately jose young's what do you think. Yeah i think it's gonna come down to the felt it's finished and if he does. I think it's going to be similar to the the kevin lee a fight where he like our ages come down in like squeezed into death So does if there is a finnish. I think it'll be. Rda kind of clip in then finishing with the submission on the ground. Probably armed joke on trying or whatever you want. What whatever source mission on. But i do have already. Eighties actually was a full camp. I know i said it's not. He's training for different opponent. But i think when he got the islamic jeff. I felt kinda bad because they're not giving. Rda any easy fights like uis mun covington Mocking like they're getting all of the. He's getting all these wrestlers in their kind of using them to propel them moving forward and now he gets Another wrestler islam mock Originally three rounds and then it got moved to five round so he had to change the training camp. You also had to pull out of their first. Because he wasn't healthy now he gets all fell there Which i imagine if he he's more than comfortable fighting kickboxer a feet. So i'm going to favor. Rda just he's actually been in camp for a fight this whole time a gay. Yeah i think. I don't know if you can be a guy like happy camp. I mean he is just such a rounded brilliant tactical fighter. Not saying anything away from the guys. Felber has forest. Dan hooker more. James vick but i think there are a little bit easier to figure out than a little less versatile far again the grappling aspect. If you want to add that in. So i think take him on five days notice even though obviously felt very familiar with those on ios no being an analyst. He's piece studied by as much as anyone but it. It's really different thing to actually step in there and have to beat him Not having prepared for him for more than five days. I mean it just sounds crazy to me and skill wise. I as i mentioned before. I just don't think. Rda has lost that much so unless people think that felder is is you know he's great conditioning. Obviously even on short notice preparing for triathlon and this. I think he's going to be able to push that pace and really really overwhelmed us. Santos i just don't think i don't think it's possible. I don't even know if that's possible at at lightweight designers. I think he's i. maybe i'm getting. I'm just to hide him. I just think he's. He's more well rounded. I think he's better technically. I think he can mix in. The grappling has mentioned when he needs to if he needs to Get out of trouble. Should should the striking not go his way. So i am definitely leaning Favorably towards does not surprised by might as one eighty five almost two one favorite. But i'm pretty confident about as well. So i guess i guess those that How much is favorite. Shouldn't be that surprising. Yeah i mean from a betting perspective. There's a lot of value on pal in my opinion plus the fact. He's coming in with less pressure that kind of enhances it. But i mean listen. I'm not the technical breakdown guy. I made by picks based on my guts and my has really failed me that often so i gotta tell me already wins the decision. I think this is going to be much more competitive. Fight than than others may think but I i feel like already gets done here. my may change tomorrow when i make my A fisher for the fighting staff to see but as of right. Now that's going a two questions real quick. How already the wayans. I know he made weight but did look good. When i didn't. I didn't see anything i didn't everything in fine. Yeah i wasn't concerned fine and he used it extra pounds wisely and and the bigger question is why did he shave off his moustache. Are you taking that personally. I mean it was mustache versus mustache. I mean that would. That wasn't the reason why that was the reason why dana made this happen and they just they just. We need a. We need a mustache versus mustache. Fight you know. That's this thing is in using contract somewhere. No not just that case. This is grounds for also because her at both ends gloriously showed on it so on. His bike is tune into the show. Nazi like whoa. Well i'd post to guys mustaches. On and then wolf ticket the big student gentlemen mustache media day. Yeah it off i. I don't know poster but the police. i'm looking advertising. I've been telling all my friends about it. And then i see the media day and has gone like full here that he shaved his to make wait maybe even cater he came in what six dot and that kind of pillar looked like it weighed. Maybe he doesn't. He doesn't believe in movember this. So that is the main event stash versus no stash Co main event abdulrazak. He missed weight once again. Missed by pound and a half. Twenty percent of his purse goes to chaos williams. Not the big name. Kota main event ever but in terms of finishing abilities and the power. The both these guys possessed should be super entertaining. Main car runs out strawweight. Young prospects k hanson in debut in corey mckenna antonio hoya takes on your boy air ganders also mistake by pound and a half. Twenty percent of his purse goes to hoya. That's gonna kick off the main card man. You gotta feel for jillian marquez. It was supposed to be his first fight since july of twenty eighteen after suffering a gnarly arm injury in his split decision last to alassio. Cherinko you're scheduled to fight sapper bag saffir off. Who desperately needed a win here. One in three in the seat super tough guy but he was forced out of the fight with weight cutting issues. I wonder if that's going to be at four. Mr saffir but Hopefully julian can get revoked. Allah brennan allen. There was one more hiccup on the scale. A smoker swayed by three pounds ahead of his fight. Against jose can yanni's twenty percent of his purse will be gone as well. I'm sorry that was a bantamweight correct. Yeah wow thirty ninety. Sorry featured premium. Hopefully this gets bumped to the main card. Brennan sean strickland. Those guys has i think i think it already has pumped up. I think they're going to do a six byte main card and then The flight gaza remind us six. Lightning cards are stupid. And then unfortunate marquez and suffolk saffron had to pay the price. Because i think they did. I think yesterday. I think the bumped up during your microwave off during your microwave lawbreaking ak taking died. You just email asia. I'm like okay. what's going on. He stood there at my back. Your your your audio audience there. Well we all we await. Akc picture to fix if you guys are looking for something to watch and by the way if you're gonna watch it that is just going to hit you right in the fields. Go to Brian butler manager. Paul felder good his instagram page and watch the video. Posted a paul felder talking to believe the ufc doing his a prefight interview stuff. Man that clip will hit you right in the fields. I'm not going to spoil it. I want you guys go. Watch it but casey. We've got a few minutes. Let's go to the question. See what the people have to say. Okay no do L. same policy gonna get finished knows. There have been finished ever right jessica from the crystals let that i'll preface this with jessica crystal crew is like a like. The president of the paul fell their fan club. So i did not finished i. I made a clever guy i think. Rda by this so guys this. Every fines differ. Every state is different. I remember when clay. Guido never been finished fall. Brian artega burst. I'm jay. I'm predicting twenty five minutes news. That's all. I'm predicting dan. I think only only one of us predicted a possible finish. I think i just decision as well. Yeah you might just look back is crystal crew. Back-off cursing my crystal turn. Your microwave had no using anti anti internet crystals. All right i know they exist. Not that i believe that sort of thing. Thank you david so yeah. We were no questions by tonight's card. We're just off. i saw you. I saw several. Okay here we go. Okay yeah which fight. Outside of the main event is the most significant to their division aka. What do you think. I have mine but i'll you go. I mean it's gotta be. It's gotta be i. I know it's having a catchweight brennan. Al anon shahak winner. That's mine too. No that's that's what i would say for. Sure i mean Maybe less self restricting constituent. I still feel like might want to drop back down to one seventy. He looks great at one. Eighty five and he lets small at all so he wants one. Eighty five. I think that would work really well for me. Is unbeaten in that way. Class in the so alan would go to four and now he's got a win over something that is legitimately a top ten guy waiting to happen so probably considering the slim pickings on his car as far as visual implications I guess you have to go. Brennan shot circling catchweights matter. Dana white. i'm going with the you c. All i made let me guess. Let me guess. I bet now know morongo. He's mirada. I knew ticket barada freaking awesome thousand me my next one. I was literally going like. Ac always talks about how. If you're on the main card it makes you get a bonus. You also talks about undefeated female prospect so main card undefeated female prospects figures hanson canes and a undefeated. I don't really. I don't want anything you've seen in. I know nothing about corner mckenna. Do you know anything about it. I'm not see. I think this is one of if you combine their ages. They're like they're the same age as you are right now they are. i like. i think it's the it's the fifth third fourth youngest combined agent in a fight and yet the jose is sense that this would come up. It is the sixth youngest Our our buddy era hawaii poor. Espn stats info. Both both twenty one years old six youngest fight at a combined forty two years and ninety nine days the youngest fight nine okay now. Noaa versus. Carl's john to tomas. They were both twenty years bought. Yeah what do you say louis. I'm saying name your price. I making only follow twice. Actually nick diaz. Jeremy jackson were younger when they fought remember that robbie lawler robbie lawler twenty year old robbie lawler aaron riley. Who was only twenty one Despite which i don't remember it all dustin hazlet and stevie lynch And then. John hathaway and tom egan with the other ones and then at six the geezers the old geezers k hanson the youngest in the espn era. How about that occur. Area go john. You don't big john mccarthy coming down you're right with some of these. Facts are ignoring ignoring the old timers. Someone asked earlier in the comments was. Is this the right time to match these two up. And i think yeah. Yeah yeah i. I think people are matching the prospects. I'm like no you have to see where they are. You wanna know you want to get a good idea of which direction they're heading in. It sucks it. Sucks someone else ticket. Uc loss. But it's going to happen later. Row sooner so i think it's a good match on national. I've seen two different nicknames. For corey mckenna i've seen poppins and the hob so i would like to clarify. Which once you like to go by. Why can't you use both nicknames. Have one nickname knuckles. And bobby nut. Lend the reaper. No his name is bobby knuckles. Isn't he used all these off. His legal name is bobby knuckles nickname. Three and you call him mr knuckles. No he's he's the reaper and his child is baby knuckles. So don't worry about that. Bobby knuckle stuff anyway. Let's look. She also felt straw away with the dash like straw dash. Wade's so there's a lot of questions mccormick album. She's really good. Though she's undefeated amateur as you told that story on Media day of meeting dana white like seven years ago and her mom embarrassing her k. Hanson is a two to one favorite. Which i think is insane because i think he's really good but at this age. I don't think anyone should be two favorite against someone that's like at this close experienced an age wise. That's absurd so again i. I'm not giving. Kansas has fought much much higher level competition. she way high. Yeah i think. I think she's i think that that i think she has one yes to two and a half to one. I do not like as i think. Her tattoos are well executed. Do not like attacked. Who's at all okay. Do you want to elaborate for those of us. Who were not. I'm pretty sure she with the tattoos. We're going to go into this. No she has the printer. She has twin towers tattooed on her arm. Visuals alive when they were around. One maybe A fan they are very well done like they are high quality tattoos. I'm just not the subject matter. It's a conversation starter. How her tattoos. Our conversation started it. Definitely one hundred percent conference casey. The voice of reason here. We got one one more question. Oh yeah. I gotta go pick my kid up. Oh okay i think okay I will answer like a million questions on the post fight. show i guarantee oregon. Now which is kinda getting random. Hey as you know. We're going to go. If marcos earns a losing record do we see her hurley the usa. I don't think so she'll be only be she won't be five ten ten ten one. Yeah i don't think she is fair. She's on the first losing streak of her career her. Yeah because she's she's basically traded wins losses draws like her entire youth like she has her entire zero and who she lost. She's lost to pretty much. The top five beat everyone else. He said i think she's been around but she's one of the Around she unfortunately for her she can change is if you if she needs to win but right now i think the caesar has a kind of a low level gatekeeper kind of a top ten gatekeeper right now and she has like she has win over. Angela submission win over angelil. So there's no like arguing. Like i know angeles on seventy five win streak by submission loss And then she also has a win over klaudia. I'm not cloudy. A carla. so impressive wins. But then she's lost a pretty much lost a darn he. Boss klaudia answer of horny. Casey caroliina good fighter jets lose top five pretty much and as think the book despite beka well actually was this. Original book wasn't original book was listening. And you know what you're right. This is short. Notice for marcus. She would not get cut after she loses. Go she did take a very tough fight on short notice and so she's so she's good. I think he's actually really smart viper marks to take because if he does lose she has all short notice. You know they're not going to release me. Because of that. Anti wins she snapped. You're losing streak and She's back she's back in the game. Gosh i wanna do as terrible my my fellow canadian i feel like i actually fill. She is gonna get released and We'll be working on. I can't believe the uc released me after taking a fight on short notice stories. Ha if she lives she lives by the way. Then we can get round to marcos and carry melendez. Bella tour shoots yeah. Maybe but i'm saying it'll be three straight losses. Four out of five She's not she's not the most exciting fighter unfortunately but you're a company woman was good which helps a lot And she's willing to snow separate in situations like this. But i don't know i i do. This could be her if she loses. It's an interesting fight. Probably the most probably the most underrate our fight on the card. If we're being honest murad. And all that. But i gotta go i apologize. We start. we will make it up to. You will find a way to do so. I appreciate it very much For jose aka. Lee casey lied. And i m mike heck we will see you tomorrow night. Ladies and gentlemen. You're listening to the box media. Podcast network business ready to be a five g business yet. The coverage of five g nationwide in more than eighteen hundred cities and in more and more cities the unprecedented performance of five g ultra wideband. The fastest five g in the world from america's most reliable network comes the five g. 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One is body and his framing, just doesn't way that much. But to it's also a high tissue. He he's, he's not as could use a couple more inches for one, seventy okay, fine. There's nothing in between. He's one of these in between guys, it's making a big case and calling for one sixty five of which I would love to see happen. I like opportunity you throw in a whole bunch of waits for me. I'm fine with that. I don't have a problem with the way they do it in boxing, separate, and you by three and three and a half pounds. And having weights all over the only reason that becomes a problem and I'm not an advocate for that. Because then you can't get the guys together. Oh, stay in my way, I'm gonna stay in my weight is is, is code talk for maintaining your macho vodka and not having to fight the tough guys. I get it in it's annoying. It becomes a problem. But I do like opportunity. And when you do look at somebody like heavenly, who's openly inbetween weight classes to move him into a weight at one seventy and throw him into a five round situation is a big ask. It's a big ask. It's not the way guys do it. It's the way a young hungry competitor went out and did do it. Who had an level of naive nece? And in some ways got taken advantage of I really think that I really think Kevin lease openness, and his willingness is something that got used against him. The general rule of thumb, when you're going to try something new such as a weight class, which is very matter. Some very relevant is matter some weird award. Go with it. It's matter some matters to the point that it's regulated and written down and contracts are signed, and to do an experiment like that, and do it for the duration the absolute maximum. The sport allows I think it was a lot to chew. I think it was a lot to buy it off a really do. Then when you factor. And he's taking on somebody who is established in that way class who did test the waters. But did it slowly? And did it two years ago? Somebody who's been a world champion in our DA. I just think I think when you look at this thing in hindsight, a three round situation of trying out a new way class would have been more proper. Everything's clear in hindsight. Right. We could fix all of the world's problems. If we got to do it after the fact I understand the annoyingness of what I'm saying to you guys right now. But it was one of those things at least for me it was one of those things that was very clear when it was over. I didn't call that ahead of time. I'm not acting like I did. I'm just telling after I saw. Well, wait a second. You got a guy moving into a different way classes openly said it's a little bit big. I don't know if I want to do it taking on one of the best fighters in the sport, relevant of the fact of a used to be the world champion, and we're going to do it for five rounds for really no reason five around situation when there's a championship on the line. That's just what the sport says. It's a number one contender ship, you start to have all of these rules and reasons that you can justify. We're going to go ahead and do this for twenty five for, for no reason. Oh, by the way, had we not done that. And it was a fifteen minute fight. We had a different outcome. Yeah, I'm sour. I'm being a baby right now I get it just bear with me. Let me do it. All right. It's making me feel a little bit better when I do look at that fight with Kevin Li I think that he lost one position. I think he lost one position. And I think if we put a little bit of road in between Kevin Lee, an RDA meeting up at welterweight let Kevin dip Tolan. They're a little bit. I think perhaps, he would have been to steal conta- mcgregor's phrase, more efficient with his energy and it no part of that might do I want to take away from RDA, not, not even a little bit. I've been very open to tell you guys how much I respect him how much I'm impressed with not only his skills. But who he fights when he got the hardest schedule in MMA any spread it over multiple way classes? Ms guest guys back, fighting Khabib before could be was could be didn't even get the credit for and had to go out there and take the ass kick and didn't even get the credit for going in there and taking on the best fighter in the world. Who's never lost a single contest did it at the wrong top. And I'm saying, I am fully aware and every I got it. Nobody's getting bad mouth here. I'm looking at the decision that was made though. And I'm looking at the constant use of Kevin Lee because he does everything. Right. Because he's young. Because he's handsome because he's fun to watch because he's a great interview because he has a ton of fans that lands him in the main event spot, I have spent the last four years of my life coming down here talking to the same microphone telling you guys all the things you need to do to be in that main event spot. Now, we've got a guy in it, and it's working against them in some ways, it is working against him. I'm not sure I've seen anybody yet in the sport that could beat him in three rounds. The problem for me and the problem gets me standing down here is shouting and complained about it is, that's not the way, the rules work if you're the top guy, making the big money and your names in the marquee, which is exactly where you want to be. You can have to go five rounds. I could bitch about that all I want. That's what the rules are. The rules were followed. So I'm complaining I in some level. I'm complaining about nothing. I'm stating the obvious. I'm just not happy about it. And I do stand by my opinion that if we had put a little bit of road in between Kevin Lee and taken on a former world champion and a class. He'd never competed in before I think maybe you'd have a different result. I know with Connor you did. I mean to brought up Connor Googlers. Remember, he fought ADS at one hundred seventy pounds. He had no business doing it at one seventy pounds. He did it went onto grit and fight. Then you got really tired. He said that afterwards his exact phrase was, I was not efficient with my energy nice way of saying, I got tired, but give me another chance. And I will show you that if I extend my efforts, I can do it over the course of an evening, and I can flip the script in the result. And then caught her went out there any digits that. So he did show us that somebody can go in there with an opponent reassess himself being in a different way class see where he should put his efforts and be able to extend that that's the game that Kevin is going to have to learn how to play. And it's not only Kevin Lee. That's the game that everybody is going to have to learn how to play. Generally guys get to do it within their weight class. Connor was an exception where he stepped out of Kevin's an exceptional where he stepped out of it. So this is part of what you have to learn part of what. You have to understand, and I do still maintain my gripe about five round fights will are unhappy with that outcome or not in every time I talk to you guys about five round fights. You guys show it up my ass every single time. And I don't know why I feel as though I should be able to share my opinion on this in create a dialogue, and where that dialogue gut will figure that out. But whenever I tell you that I don't love five round fights. I just don't think the human body is cut out for that. I don't think that's I don't think we need to prove our point for that long that I find it a little long, even as a fan. I find it a bit. Dull and somebody will come back and go on. Did you see Mark controversies Bigfoot so? Yeah, I've seen plenty of great five around fights. But now you're talking to me selfishly about what you enjoyed watching. I'm trying to talk to you from the other perspective that some human beings have to go in there and do that. And that is a very long duration. In addition to what you don't see behind the scenes in training camp. It's just a lot of wear and tear, and I'm willing to be wrong on this. And I'm willing to. Listen to anybody that offers me suggestion. But as soon as somebody comes out and tells me five rounds it's perfect. You've now lost your validity in this. How would it ever be perfect? It was picked arbitrarily over twenty years ago on absolute accident. It was picked, we're going to do five minutes. It was an experiment. The whole sport was most of those experiments failed. So ABC gets together every single year and they sit down and they review the rules and they changed them and adopt and adapt continually. But that one's never been looked at. And the reason why push back on you. When you tell me five is, if you told me, no, we need more needs to be seven rounds or needs to be two rounds or it needs to be four rows now I'll listen because, now you have showed some level of thought, when you push back me complaining about five rounds and tell me that five is perfect. You didn't give it any thought that number was just established one time as a matter of fact, if you want the history lesson on it, there was a fight between host Gracie, and Ken shamrock. There was advertises. Absolutely not. Time limit. They fought for a half of an hour. The promoter looks running. Hey we can't do they can't fight all night. Even though we said, yeah, that's what we're that's because we never thought it would happen. At some point, we gotta let these guys get out of here. We gotta turn these cameras off it send everybody home. So about twenty minutes into the contest. He just walks around the ring, and tells all the cornermen and signals to the referee. Hey, we're going to do ten more minutes, and then we're going to call it at thirty minutes, we call it. We're calling this call it a draw. We have two, that's what happened so somewhere somebody because. Okay. Well, that's gotta be the duration we're going to put it at five. Now, we're gonna call it around system. Now we're going to give guys a minute often between rounds now. But okay, apparently the thirty minute Mark, I just think of everything has ever been looked at in the sport. Particularly the rules that were arbitrarily manifested in the first place. It is a little surprising that one was never revisited particular when you understand the human body isn't meant to do that. I get these are alita. I get the whole thing. But if that's the case you're gonna take then advocate for six rounds. Advocate for seven rounds. Tell me the ten rounds would be more appropriate do anything other than tell me it's perfect. Way that it is. Oh, by the way, they threw a dart at a wall twenty years ago and it just happened to be the perfect solution. If you tell me that I can't respect you, I just can't I do not know of any other sport on the face of the earth, who you wanna talk ping. Some sport that you think land chill, you don't know bring up cricket bring up polo bring up some sports that I really, truly don't I know a baseball football, basketball hockey. I know the big ones the championship game is no longer than the previous games. I do know that much. I know in the world of wrestling that I follow close. I know volleyball the championship game is not any longer than any of the other games. So even if you want to signify that for a championship fight that it's going to be five rounds because of some kind of nod to history, and you're loyal to an ideology fine. But I think you do have a problem explaining that why is the Super Bowl not five quarters. Why, why in the hell would it be you dance what the one that brought you this is what was explained to the audience? This is what? Claimed to the fans. This is what all the teams went out there. Prepare for. So now that we're all here as a combination of the year. Why would we possibly change it? Of course you want it. That would be silly. It would make no sense to do that. I think there's a relevance here in this sport. Don't forget, we do away with turnament guys. I only know of one commission and that's Aaron I could be wrong on this, and there could be more I'm honest. I only know of one commission that will even sanction a tournament anymore in eight man or four man, but a tournament, where the same athlete is going to fight multiple times on one evening. I only know that Arizona will still do that. I don't think anyone else does it could be wrong. Somebody else does in just has that hasn't been tested who has been brought to my attention. But the point is the reason that that changed and the whole sport used to be tournaments. They used to be the only way they did it there was no straight line pairing when they started doing that they will call that a super fight, and that was a big deal. That was a one off. It was all tournament based what happened is the athletes just got better. They just simply got better. So now the fights got harder. So pretty. Soon. It turned into that just can't be done a guy cannot fight another guy and then go out and fight someone else in the save Nina, let alone go out of do it again or look at hoist Gracie back UFC, two sixteen bracket he fought four men and one night. You five four men and one night. I don't give a damn what the outcome is. It is Mr. Gracie for the rest of the time, whether you win or you get up and you walk outside four times in one day, you're right with me. But the point is that, that did change over time. So now we observed a fact that was the fact it was very much a reality. But that same concept of guys have gotten better in the sport has gotten tougher and the wear and tear is a little bit deeper and a little bit more meaningful. Somehow does not apply to the round system and I don't want to be approved here. I really don't want to be the skunk at the garden party. It just does seem to me with what we have observed. And with the trends in the sport and showing respect to the fact that guys have gotten better, and they just. Can't do this as long. Look, you will go back and talk about tournaments, even the ones that you're still seeing that take place in Arizona on a very rare, Cape when we are treated to a tournament, I can't think of a guy that had to be out there twenty five minutes. I just can't think of it off the top of my head. Even back in the olden day, when hoist was winning those tournaments collectively through the course of the evening. He was on out there for twenty five minutes. It's a very very long. It's a very long ask. I think as a whole is pulling it off boxing. It's shot boxing, right in the ass. They wonder why you no one's watching boxing anymore. It's twelve rounds possibly want to watch that. What would I possibly want to watch that? It's called the law of diminishing marginal utility for any of you business majors out there. It's a say that too much of a good thing is not a good thing. The example given will be, here's a chocolate bar. Take a bite. Did you enjoy that? Oh, yeah. Oh, it was delicious was a wonderful chocolate bar. I believe you now I want you to keep doing that. I want you to eat twelve candy bars nonstop in a row. I assure you those last bite. You are not going to enjoy, but you're doing the same thing, the for the first part and the first bite. You really did enjoy. So where's the tipping point? I often time here fans come out and go, oh, no. That was amazing. I want to see more of it. I get that. And that's very selfish. And as a fan, you have every right to do that. But to then watch those two athletes who went out there and did it not be able to perform again for a meaningful period of time, we've discussed this, the last full five rounds that we got at a point in time. I believe this was just passed up by cowboy and Al. I think they went the distance, right? But at one point in time, it was Robert Whitaker, and you'll Romero neither of which has fought sense, well over a year the next closest we got was cut short by one second. So let's throw that second and just say it was five five which was Korean zombie versus your ear. Neither fighter has fought sense. There's a reason why they went out. They gave it their all their perform. They put on wonderful shows, wonderful, meaning things that they should be very proud of. But somebody in a more responsible role has got to be able to look at the data. That's right in front of us and say, you know what it appears that, that is just simply too long, and as great as they did in his fun as that was to watch, there would appear that there is a problem here for whatever reason. If you don't have the courage to come out and say it and identify it for what? Let's just call it for whatever reason, but let's look at the data look at this shelf, life, look at the return of your commodity, which is the athlete, and consider doing this different. I think that, that would be very reasonable. I think being very reasonable. But I already know it's going to happen because I brought this up before it happens every time. People don't seem to love that argument changes heart. I understand. Listen guys, your old buddy. Shale is here to tell you. That bear mattress has a great deal to help you relax this holiday weekend. Bare mattress that's be are they are designed for active people athletes, folks, just like you working hard on your feet, all day, you deserve a mattress that will let you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer. So they can wake up refreshed and check this out bear leverages insights, from sleep expe. Pertz professional athletes, and engineers to create a more comfortable supportive sleep surface. 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You gotta Durant out there. You gotta LeBron out there. These guys cannot be denied their athletic itali- are so supreme to everybody else's a call mutants. I mean is a tremendous compliment, but it's very rare. It's that upper one tenth of one tenth, really rare. Then you have some specialty guys, you have guys who's defense is solid. You have guys that can just rebound that ball. You just their specialty players. They cannot be denied. They're going to have a seat at the table, but. Then everybody, I'm looking at it. The league there's probably three hundred and fifty players in it. I'm guessing of those three hundred and fifty players of which are not either the mutants or the specialty guys, they have an inner changeable skill with about five thousand people who are not in the league, and it does make you wanna question that. And go okay, let's identify this and why three hundred fifty people in the NBA collecting the salaries wearing wearing the suits going around having great lives, getting to do what they love have interchangeable skills with five thousand other. So how'd you three fifty get the jersey? Well, there's a couple of things there first off travel. Well, they don't go out and create problems. Second they're good teammates. They understand the cameras not always going to be on me, and I'm not always going to be in a supportive role, but I need to beat a practice and you to see what needs to be done and fill in the cracks and third when they get the ball, they don't do anything stupid with it. I watch these guys when they get the ball, they get it into one of the stars or one of the. Specialty guys hands. They don't let it go. They don't fumble it. They don't double dribble. They don't foul themselves out. They don't take risky shots. They're very care and they go back to the bench, and it's very smart. And it's very interesting. I've spent more time watching basketball in the last month and I have in my entire life because I'm a front runner. And because Portland was doing so well, they don't want to see how far they could go. But I was making some of these observations go. Wow. We have some real stars sort of the other teams. Well, we got some specialty guys. And so the other teams and then we got a whole bunch of guys that are just there. How did they do it? How were they chosen? I don't fully have that answer. I've identified three things. They travel while they're good teammates. And what they get the ball. They don't do anything stupid with it. There's probably a couple of more that you could add to the list, but there's major lessons in life that way, the really is. There's major lessons that you can learn that you can't learn in school books. They never teach you this in class. It's no book, you can check out about being the people like it will never hurt you in life to not burn bridge. Is it will never hurt you in life to the fun to be around. That's pleasant the people like and in my brief foray into basketball, I saw about three hundred and fifty of them over the last month with interchangeable skills to five thousand other guys, the never got the jersey, our friends at geiko want to save you some cash and even better. You don't even have to leave your house. All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket. It just might be the most rewarding thing you do today there knuckle boxing. I'll tell you what. They brought me they got me hook line and sinker. They really did. I realize I'm being worked here a little bit. But it's happened. So well so talking about art versus Polly. Okay. Now, let's rewind the tape two months ago when this thing gets announced, I'm in, and I'm thinking, man that Artem. Wow. Last thing in the world. I would want to do is fight a pro boxer with no gloves on in a boxing match. Right. But I mean this. Artem does there's any reason that everybody respects Artem. I'm go say whatever you want about his record. You won't go to be questioned. His resume that guy steps up and he gets in there. Now here's why. I'm lost. I've never feel free to correct me if I'm missing has Artem ever been a jerk. I can't remember Artem ever ever do something bad. I can't remember him being a brat somewhere or being the heel. If you will can't really remember that I realized he was there when the Lynch mob, and the Dolly situation and the bus all have, but I gave them a bit of a pass. I think you guys did too, right? I mean boss flies to town, says, we're going to confront these guys he went along wasn't a leadership position the same time, he didn't bring any weapons. I don't think he knew any weapons, we're going to be brought he didn't go crash a window and hurt. Peter do any of those things that I don't think he had any knowledge ahead of time accord laws. Not gonna agree with me. I understand that, right. He still still an accessory, but I'm just saying I never really looked at him as a bad guy. I've never heard him say or do anything. I don't over time that he's ever. Broken the rules or been in the hot seat of wash? The guy go out and try really hard to win fights that are really hard fights. And sometimes he does sometimes he doesn't pretty regular guy pretty easy to get behind. Am I missing something there? So when he goes over to the boxing at a similar opinion of Pauli Pauli had some fun. And he was trying to get the fight with Connor and I got the whole thing, and the footage and the training, I got the whole thing, but for poly for his work, he was a damn good boxer. He may be an even better announcer. I really enjoy him Showtime. So when he's calling fights, I think that he's very fair. I think he gives a great perspective. He's gone straight. He'll paulie is so incredibly wrong times ten in the way that he's retreated. Artem he spit at Artem two days ago at a press conference. I couldn't believe you just spit on the guy this disgusting. That's an assault for many reasons, but it's also very disgusting spittle the gut. What is it that Artem ever? Did the Polly. That's my question. I these guys are gonna fight it largely ties back to Connor McGregor. Great storyline wise, are getting treated this way. What am I missing does Artem have a really foul mouth? And he talks bad about people. He doesn't on social media. Am I missing it 'cause Polly's gone straight? He'll and I was very interested to see. Paulie fine. I like watching his boxer. But now when you talk about bare knuckle amid there's something to see their right for a couple of different ways. There's a reason they started rapping and putting cotton and leather on these boxers hands dangerous. Very dangerous side of this coin is Polly can't actually hit at full capacity. That's the other thing that a lot of people miss, what the glove, the glove is not designed to protect what it's hitting, it is designed to protect the person doing the hit designed to protect Pauly's hand. So now Paul is not going to be able to throw full speed. He just hits to bring his hand. He doesn't have a glove on. So where is that middle ground? He's gonna have to figure that out, but there's something interesting to see their why are these to find I guess, because Connor is. The middle ingredient Bali wants a fight with Connor and Connor. And Artem I guess that's the story but Pauly's gone straight jerk. He knows spit on the poor guy. He tried to hit him in the head of the microphone and even though look, I'm not guys. I'm not trying to scream fire here but not for that's a weapon, you're gonna slap it or do something at a press conference. You cannot use a weapon of any kind even if it is microphone. He's do it its way out of bounds. This is before the spitting did Paul is gone straight. He'll arms the face. Am I miss anything sincere question? I want you let me know what am I missing the middle of may is where it's at. I'm talking about excitement in sports. And it has ramped up in a huge way. You've got the NBA playoffs. The NHL playoffs major league baseball and more. Simply put there is a ton of action that you should be taken advantage of over in the NBA the bucks and the war. Warriors are the teams to beat. Guess what guys you can still get it on the action. At bet. Online dot AG, make sure you use the promo code podcast. One or text bet now two two three eight six six nine. 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I really do not know I beginning to believe that he is the best wrestler, in the world. We are going to find that out at final X because he's going to be taken on the reigning world champion of which Nick will be an underdog. But I don't know there's in many ways, I believe we're going to see an upset there and in many ways, the reason I bring them up as he is being so dominant that he's really not getting his do these single best match matches. Easy easy to join Oliver Zane refer another reason that this was so interesting is Jordan. Oliver was the better wrestler, both matches Zane referred was better at scoring more points in both matches gay, generally in wrestling, whoever controls the takedown gets more takedown wins the match all three styles generally that ever goes against the grain. Whoa. Kind of a surprise just built in rule in wrestling, whoever gets more take down is going to win. Now. What happened? J O controlled, that Zane tipped him over one matchy tipped him and a chest. Lock twice one matchy tipped him and a chest lock with both feet out of bounds. Both feet were out of bounds wins ain't turns him Zane knows he's out. Everybody knows he's he's out of bounds. I wouldn't even think Zane would go for the effort, but he did anti scored it. And there was no protest on Jordan site. So I'm sitting there, Washington going, okay Zane went for the technique, even though he knew he was out of bounce put himself in a risky position, ended up working out Jordan, probably went over, because his defenses weren't fully there, because he knew sane was out referee didn't call it. They're gonna throw the block. They don't throw the block. What does that tell me that tells me I got the rule wrong that told me okay jail your wrong? Yes. Sure, Zane was out. You're right about that. But there must be some kind of the action can continue much like a continuous takedown must be something like that. Because nobody said anything in hindsight, I look back. I don't think I'm wrong. I think the block should have been thrown. And I. Not only with j o not have been scored on. He would have gotten a point Zane stepped out. He finished the action possibly you award him for that. Possibly on behind on something. I'm for sure, not behind on the fact that J O gets one. No possible way behind on that, that never happened. So now it's not one four minutes. Four against him. What did I miss here? I don't know. I still don't know. I thought they should have protested that in another, perhaps call of the day, that he doesn't get credit for, but he should coach Humphry. No Fizeau out there in a match was Jason off. Yeah. I believe it was Jason off north gets leg waist. Okay. But he never goes down. They never award a takedown, even though he's leg laced fine. The leg lace thing gets an exposure. He goes through they call it to for the exposure Reese, Humphrey, a Saint that's four Reese Humphries right one hundred percent if there's no take down, which is clearly signified by the fact that you never call. They take down, then there's only one other. Vision, they could be which means they're on their feet. So if you then throw up to four and exposure, that's feet. Toback clearly could not be any clear and because they were so close to the ground because there was no amplitude the referee's got that wrong. But we'll know that's just the two point Leglise. Yeah, it's a two point lace, if you call it a two point takedown, you did it, which means they're still on their feet, which means when he shows his back that's feet back. That's four points. Reset that one. Right. And I heard him yelling at and trying to argue it in a win on death ear and he never actually through the Bali should have thrown the ball. They should have given some clarity to that four points. 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Ep. 3,020: Does McGregor vs. Gaethje make sense at 170?, Cub Swanson (guest)

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Ep. 3,020: Does McGregor vs. Gaethje make sense at 170?, Cub Swanson (guest)

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We're GONNA do a a slight preview of the UC North Carolina Rally Card hard You know we got a mention the Irishman Conor McGregor. Because there's always a news nugget involving him even the were not sick of it. But I feel like we're just retreading a lot. The same stories over and over all due respect when the man fights it does create a lot of storylines plus. There's a lot the news nuggets just involving the arrest of the roster believe it or not cub Swanson will catch up with him as well. So folks buckle up. It's our Thursday edition of animate to make Junkie Radio in two thousand eight a former D.. One football star pulled offer robbery so daring and so strange that it went viral worldwide. It was the perfect crime story. There's just one problem. It wasn't the real story. Sorry of what happened. The sneak is a new serialized. True crime podcast from four the win and USA Today sports you can subscribe now on Apple. PODCAST ask forget it anywhere. You Get podcast on Tuesday January fourteenth point in time. Would you like to talk McGregor. Let's get it over with all right. How about Cavanaugh saying his coach? John Cavanaugh saying he'd like him the fight just engaging and one hundred and seventy pounds. Something about that can't makes me react. I don't dislike the guy I really don't remember. We need this guy even before the Ucla tidy was brilliant honestly when we would have him on prior to his cage words his fights after his cage were fights. I think every time we hung up the phone I'd say man if every fighter could just be like this it'd be so much easier to to do the show to for the sport to grow anyway when he said that. I thought you guys should have thought you know not Sironi but this one seventy again I mean look. He has good intentions. Really if you think about it he saying hey. I don't WanNa put my guy my athlete through that brutal way. Cut of an extra fifteen pounds. It's not good for your internal organs. It's not good for the mindset. Hell who knows if the recover over with enough hydration in the brain you know do they get back to a hundred percent goes. That's that's a question I guess we've never really scientifically got an answer answer for versus the guy you know the guy that's just GonNa win at one seventy one versus the guy that is still trying to compete. You know use. His stock doc is a lightweight but yet or excuse me the the guy that has to cut the fifty six fifty five title fight versus the guy that is still competing with his stock. The the the the value of his fight going towards lightweight contender ship but he only has to fight it. Seventy one. So the guy that cuts when he re hydrates Disea- rehydrate to one hundred percent. Can't safety you know when it comes to the rehydration of the brain part. Who knows whole other topic but still It's not that I hate. The idea is just that look this this weekend. We happened to look failed. ASANDRA MICHAEL GSA there in the coming event of the UFC ON ESPN plus twenty four card out in Raleigh North Carolina to moved up because they couldn't make fifty five. And have you ever heard him describe what it was like fifty five it was basically agony. But if you told them hey guess what so you can still compete at fifty five by weighing in at seventy one throughout you know as long as you in the the opponent or cool or whatever and then if there's a chance that you're fighting for a title which in the case of RDA's already been a champ then we need you at fifty five. You don't think those guys would still be light weights. I mean it's possible right. Maybe maybe maybe he would have outgrown it by now but all those times you just gave him seventy one he might still be. There goes because he has yet to fight for a title. RDA's a different case. I hate this idea. Yeah I think it proves absolutely nothing. What one championship does basically? Yeah I mean it. There's a reason why we have these weight classes and the one thing and that I point to when I hear this come out of his mouth is basically what I think he's saying Without saying is even if we do get the bell we have no intention of defending. Because why wouldn't you want to get those wait cuts under your belt. figure out how to get those down how to perform at the optimum performance. If you're going to face a guy like could be I would actually WANNA go through those types of tests to just make sure we got that dial down instead of being surprised is the day of when he gets that because we all know he's going to get that fight because they're going to set it up for him but this is just another one of those instances. This is why people get upset with him is because because he gets a special treatment that nobody else in the AFC could ask for anything like that and not get laughed at it so ridiculously. You'RE GONNA fight. Just engage you at one. Seventy who knows at this point. I mean this would be back to back fights for him if really I think a lot of us just kind of assumed I walk around right around that who knows maybe we lived life differently in actually come maybe even bigger than that. So who knows man but I I just don't see what it accomplishes. Yeah I didn't think about the whole all part of He has no plans of you. Know defending I mean what he probably wants to do. Honestly is beat Habib and then do the trilogy I know he still wants another floyd fight. Who knows about Paco Man? And then after that. I don't think he wants to become the welterweight champion. I don't think he wants that smoke. Those are some big dudes but if it's Maswadeh he may think I can lure this guy into a fight and we can fight at one. Seventy WE LOSE MON- WHO's mind we just want to smother. I'm he just WanNa say he what he would WanNa do is like the steroid version. KABIBI MAY I. I can do what he did is. I'm just a bigger dude but this make sense to anyone but can you imagine if say the Lakers were to say we all know. Were pretty really good right. And we're GONNA make the playoffs. I've always just play one quarter and then when the playoffs come around that will play four quarters. Yeah they'd shave their legs. That's for sure but I'm thinking like hooker and felder cut. Wait there fights means something there on streaks. You know what I'm saying felder. He's fought at at welterweight before and he said man it was it was. The result wasn't beautiful because he lost Perry but still he was like man. I feel great. You know pets same. Remember when he knocked out Thompson I feel great. A lot of these guys feel great. Because they don't have to go through the Waco Kevin Kevin Lee. He moved up to welterweight. It didn't feel great for him he got smashed by a RDA sixty five seventy five please. Where or are you Dana? Please reconsider you considered. Women's Emma may reconsider this I'm I'm blue in the face Conor McGregor but that was one story that came out that I I know no it. Vote an emotion that you and I gotta be sitting around just laughing their asses off because that doesn't make any sense. They often go in. See some crazy today. This should be fun. EXA- exactly upset the masses. Anyhow all right look. Let's go through some news nuggets here for me. I'm just GONNA go in rapid fire hire. Don't forget we are going to be talking to cups once on today show would be an Liane Edwards in London goes would he hasn't fought since last March of two thousand nineteen when he lost is this title he took the whole year off when he lost. You could tell he was mad. I think he's mad at himself. Who knows if he probably did some soul-searching hey man the the wraps TMZ my gym seminars acting you know was these spreading himself too thin? I don't know but he feels. I felt like he was gonna come with a vengeance. And make a comeback with a vengeance in late two thou- or mid two thousand eighteen relate to their. I don't know I can't believe it's going to be over year by the time he fights Edwards and even this fight. He wasn't warm too early on. I don't know that Taryn Woodley really needs to go out and read Rian invent the wheel or anything like that like Komo news means a tough guy. I I think he gives just about anybody trouble. I'm glad that he's somewhat doing that like right now with Leeds in Thailand and seems like he's going to be there for like a month or something like that so so I get where he's coming from I understood his mindset and why he was upset with you a lot but I'm glad that he kind of came to a sense isn't took this fight because the faster way to get to where he wants is just to get in there and fight. Yeah I hear you. You're what you can't do is turn back the clock doc. That's where the UCLA has the advantage picture. Your team that has a twenty eight point lead in a football game. But it's the fourth quarter with six minutes left. You think you're scared of the other guys quarterback whether it'd be Brady Rodgers brees all those comeback specialists. I mean you are but you also know. There's only six minutes on the clock six minutes on the clock. Baby you know what I mean. Go ahead and Score Gore. We're GONNA do this but then we're gonNA run it a few times where you're gonNA use your timeouts and usually gonna run out of time. And that's basically UC. They squeeze the fighters. I think in in a sense knowing their leverage is father time Woodley at this age I to be off one year move. I don't know man I I really felt like one fight should have already happened by now but who knows maybe he was maybe he was injured. Or just or just not ready to take it but Basically what it boils down to is. I think Keanu. It's explained there in the article and Emmy Junkie. His agent Abekawa told him. Hey look do it do it at all did an Akhara goes onto explain. Mas All went and stole till's England following by defeating them. Respectfully you know what I mean your more popular than on it words so just go out there and embrace brace your London England fans you know what I mean and and beat this tough dude but yeah you're GONNA have to go overseas because there's just doesn't appear to be another quality fight out there for you. Yeah M- mean I think I. I don't think you'll see wants to make things easy on either true so At some point you just gotTa Stop Fighting. You have see and start fighting. The opponents like Woodley dated needed Dana. White sister something like that okay. We're relatives we gotta we gotta sit Thanksgiving and Christmas together. But you aren't about the date. My sister Oh you know what I mean so I'm GonNa make a rough on you get a chance. How about this in that same interview? Abekawa touched on Mike. Perry's well my Perry site of the use his use of the N.. Word not the N.. Word the slang term. I guess of the N. Word Do what did you think of his explanation nation. I mean it was very ended. I think what he was saying was look where Mike Perry comes from. Even Non African Americans Americans use it and not an African Americans. Don't trip on people who use where Mike Perry comes from. So He's in a comfort with our forget about the two percent and the the DNA just an goes. I've said this before on the show. I don't know how much how much detail but I'll say it again. You are in denial folks. If you don't think that that word gets I used a lot in the streets from ages prior ten to twenty for and up until the early twentieth by the time Tom Your exiting college and you're starting to mature it is just the word that has become acceptable to the kids. If you're gaming online you hear it on Youtube you hear it and I think it's because pop culture in a way embraced it and I'm not trying to turn into trying to turn this whole thing into a you know pop culture culture lesson but I'm just saying that the use of it is out there and I think a lot of people take advantage of these situations to be Prim and proper and and save their jobs and PPC. And of course I prefer that word not to be used. I'm just saying it's out there. Perry feels like I'm not committing a crime so there what gave explained was imperious mind. I'm not committing a crime. Wise everyone trip and You see what I'm saying. He's not the P.. C. World doesn't mean too much to him he's a fighter through and through he worries about training and fighting and he reacts he's raw he's honest but he's not trying to be hurtful he's just talking unlike they would talk at the gym or on the streets or the barber shop or whatever he'd be yet to be mindful to mindful of your surroundings right so like if that's what they do where where he's from Cool Dude over there but the second you accept a job like this you're worldwide now You have to dash true to cost him his job. You'd better lose that word so I don't know what kind of what I was. Abe Collar I would kinda pull dean away to say and go. Look are y'all tripping over there in Las Vegas so I can relay the message through this cat that it needs to be loss because the one thing I don't think my parents I you know there's a lot of the people that say no one's GonNa stop me from what I think you will have. It means your job. You know your ability ability to to feed your family and I don't know if Perry's like hey while the bell tour and who knows if they'll accept them. I'm just saying I think he enjoys being a UFC fighter. I think he was was born to be a fighter. I don't know his background much. You know maybe there's an engineering degree there. I don't know about or whatever but I would imagine that if this really means that. Much nice to him he just better stop it but the explanation was there the articles there And like I say I'm not taking his side. I'm just saying that I thought it was going to be more more of a backlash when there was for a few days but maybe because of UFC two forty five and all the other crap that's happening it just got swept under the rug but you know. I'm glad it was touched on but here by the manager. You're in our website. Of course you know we initiated the coverage of I understand his argument. His argument is doesn't apply. You know if I go on vacation nation to another country. I can't do things that I do here and expect everyone to be cool with it. I can't go the speed limits different where I come from. They'RE GONNA go. Yeah but you're not that where you come from right. Now you have to adapt to this country. it's just kind of tied up kind of look at it all right moving on Let's see here Curtis Blades. Junior desanto talk about that. That's the main event we talked about the combing. We didn't really break it down. Well let's talk about it an RDA. We'll go back to. The news is not second guessing. Rda just because we mentioned their names who do you like that's tough man You Know Rda when he's on he sort of a nightmare for just about any good everything right. Yeah and so I can see Michael Kia if he can get a hold of early and get a good position I I think he can tire them out a little bit. However that's just seems to be something difficult due to a guy like Rda Rda seems like the type of guy that that puts pressure around you from the get-go it makes you adapt his game? And I think there have been fights where Michael has fallen into that trap so I'm going to go thirty. Am Swim Swim. That guy can leg kick he can he can do Jujitsu. Sisal Wrestle Panch. He's got the cardio he's got the experience and even though he's usually the undersized undersized one seventy still a handful man key ESA for him to win. I mean they wear for gloves. I never forget get that. He either needs to clip them or take them down and make sure you stay on top. You know use your size stay on top it may have to be a boring Holly Home Tactical type of listen man. This is all we're GONNA do. You know where we're going to run the ball right down your throat. We're not really gonNA pass Hassett and do reverses and flea flickers or anything like that that we're just gonNA grind this out 'cause I'm telling you. RDA's one of the toughest outs in the history of the game. Jimmy Tucson's versus Curtis Blades Blades. Speaking of top game writing time punishment ground and pound blades is looking to do that too. Junior to Santa's can dishonor stop them goes and keep it on the feet and hands. Yeah I think we. I guess this doesn't apply to every single fight but almost we're almost to the point where there really is. No more Stryker versus grappler type matches because it's just some guys that are a little better at things than others not the situation and I think they're gonna go to their strengths but I don't know that if either guy gets in in certain certain situations that they can't that it's like a death sentence you know they can't get out of it. I think junior can get back up. I think they can throw pretty pretty hard so I mean I. I honestly think Actually when he takes your back dodge. Do you know what it looks like. It looks like a grizzly bear with little cub. Bob and the Santos is a big cat. He's six four like two forty five. I think but blades is just big and thick and he doesn't mind wrestling like he doesn't even care you go. That was boring. I'm going with blades. Just because he's the younger guy And when you look at junior to Santos and what he had to go through with the leg injury and just add that onto his shoulders of just trying to get back to where he wants to be that to me is enough to sway me over to the blade side yeah. I think Blade's going to win but I'm I'm hoping though Santos Wins I've always enjoyed his style and I always felt like he's the type of guy that can Brazil's a huge country huge resource of May I feel like if he's winning. Kids are watching and kids will want to train them and May and we'll get a future crop of stars. He's got this little you know. I said Grizzly bear earlier. The other guys like a teddy bear a little bit kind of like a big dog. You know you kids just gravitate you know they. What does does he do for a living? I want to do that anyway Rda Jimmy Prediction. Yeah with our. Rda Me for for me to Rudin GSA or I I don't dislike RDA. But I really like Michael Kesse. I think he's a great guy outside of the cage and fun fighter to watch inside the cage. Let me just blast through this. The AGUA was assigned find with bare knuckle fighting championships. That's really becoming a space there for fighters to go to no longer. Is it well Ballatore Warner PF NFL where you're going. You know I mean at our Reisen bit bare knuckle. FC You know that's always an option right goes in the writing. Pretty good checks dots. What's so interesting about this whole so his whole thing Was He wants to fight him. May It really. And it's not so much that he laid out like I like the AFL more. Because of this or I like bill tour because of this or I I would just WanNa stay any of C or whatever it really just came down to money and so that makes you to believe that bare knuckle must be sleeping a lot more. Don't know than the organizations because if that were the case if they're all level than he. Hollywood ended up in Maine so I have to imagine that whatever barnacle gave him it was significantly more than mixed martial arts. Which is very very interesting to get somebody to do that? Yeah Good luck to him. I mean somebody's have done well. There and MADE SOME DEL FOR BBC renewed calls out. Alexi Linic I. Don't blame him come to the Jujitsu Angle Romero an auto Sonya is official folks. UC to forty eight. It will be taking place Lastly here gene in the UC. They've parted ways. She's an extreme couture fighter. So we see her all the time we saw something on the board that told us she was fighting somewhere else. So I guess this this right here made it official show basin versus Brunson. UC to forty o'malley reaches settlement. Goes no more these pulse. pulsing effects. Listen you know whatever that Australian cases has he's he's fighting a UC to forty eight. Daniel Pineda officially find suspended houses winds overturned after the drug test failure. That was a room around town But now it's official. Yeah Yeah so there. You have it folks Thursday edition of Enemy Junkie Radio. However we're GONNA leave? Have you with cub. Swanson time to talk to the featherweight. They were on the line with Cub Swanson. You have see featherweight. How're you doing? I'm doing pretty good. How are you guys doing good man? Oh happy new year. Although I just watched the latest episode of Curb your enthusiasm might. It might be too late for happy New Year Sophomore. So from a little late with that Anyway listen man You had a great fight with chrome Gracie to you and the year as far as mixed martial arts is concerned and then quintet came up the week of UFC. Two forty five. And I thought man what what a great idea you get to see the pride guys in the strikeforce guys and W we see you have see I. I honestly showed up cub to that event. Just looking to uh go beat be nostalgic. You know what I mean. See some old school fighters together with some of the current fighters. Like yourself have a little bit of fun. Maybe maybe get competitive et boy when I saw your injury and then subsequently I found out how serious it was magic broke my heart. Yeah I mean I I felt the same way you know. We had a good fight Obviously I worked a lot of Jujitsu that camp but You know game plan would try to avoid it. But I thought that I would end up being wasn't I was so wanted to roll back into another fight and the prince hats and came up and House one of the first people that they called and when they mentioned teamed up you see just a heart on like man. I'm I'm still team on W. C. O. S.. So I just wanted to do right off the bat and I was like now I've been doing so much slip through I might as well Have a good time. Make a couple Holbrooke hangout. Vegas wants to fight the game. Start training camp right after Christmas. That would regain point and yeah. It was unfortunate. You know and I I've been saying that I hope it gets hurt but it gets do more of these and then I was the one that got her so unfortunate and trying not beat myself up about it saying it's been this section of them that I've been in this game for a while. Get injuries happen. And so you just Kinda or how to make a better right so first. Let's talk about the actual sequence That led the injury and then I want to try to backtrack a little bit to the Quintet Format you are. Were up against Jake shields and you know. There's there's no secret but he said really good For for one he's a really good. Emma may fight or two. He's won some titles major titles and of course he's very well known in the grappling world he's a one seventy guy in the world you're one forty forty five guy so Size advantage there but again we'll we'll talk about the format second the actual sequence in which you hurt your Ni How would you categorize it. What did you feel was the if there was A? I don't know I don't know if I WANNA call it a gentleman's agreement or anything like that between between all the competitors just I mean you guys were going a hundred percent right or or was there anything that that anybody talked about like in some sort of a meeting that said. Hey Look Just just have fun. You know 'cause 'cause this isn't your real career you know what I mean. Yeah so yeah how can you. How can you answer that question? I guess I'll I don't know agreements. I mean everybody Kinda just knew that it was nice to be around everybody. Everybody was back backstage during all of this Together joking around. You know poking fun of his brother and and it was just all fun and so that was the only different there is no real gentlemen's agreement like heart because everybody wants to win But in the rule books every no twisting leg locks and oaks books books And so that was the position that I kind of ended up And I have grappled jake before in the past I C W you know I felt like he gains pretty basic. That when he gets on top. And you can pass your garden Move Up and gone ahead and I'm choke I mean it's pretty hard to stop because you just so much bigger than me So I didn't WANNA be on my back against them. I was pretty confident that he wouldn't be able to take down. That easy. Easy takedown gotten pretty good over the years and I knew that if I was on top I would do well so I knew that he had decided harden active mark He did way better comes out here. We're going to do against my. But he he did have to fill out of energy. He you know really going So I just wanted to try to push them same. Make him take some terrible shots you know. Try to try to get gas. I can't go in and try to pay them towards the end just initially myself But he ended up pulling guard a couple of times and we ended up in the Hewlett a position. And I wasn't worried about it because I knew we couldn't do that. I realized he could just wrap planning coal and go straight in beloit in with his ties and like that it. It would be a lot of pressure. I'd have to tap pretty quick. If you've got a good hold of it so I started hiding my foot and then I was trying to slide away from and in that always works for me because I'm always going against is generally by size school when I realized how long he wasn't how strong knew they were. They Kinda was like. Oh Man This my hip feels giving out a little bit and trying to slide out of this. 'cause I'm pretty member And the the the one thing that is as you read my leg which is legal environment but I I believe it was legal in this going and basically he was trying to kick my far out from underneath my butts and get on top and I was not leading not wanting to let him do that so I was trying to. You know. Get to my feet inside my leg out and so instead to kick me now. Now he's trying to stand up All of that pressure just was on the side of my knee and it just went pop pop pop and we both fell to let go right away and I was like I was so frustrated at that moment and I think everybody could tell them. And they saw the replay. They knew what happened. But Yeah I fully tore my acl and meniscus so according to the rules they you just let us know about and what's what ultimate quintet relayed to you wall. Before the event started. He did nothing. Unsportsmanlike them he what he did nothing unsportsmanlike then is what you're saying. I I think you know looking back and having seen the pictures I think that keyed in need to do that If if you're really you know try not to hurt somebody I'd have to watch the video again to really see Yeah I don't know like I said when you're trying to win on call but yet the dangerous position retaining and I think I'd say you often in the in like a training to like I said I'm usually going against guys my size and like an old out so so having to go against somebody that was bigger than meeting longer than me. It changed it can. I shouldn't have been playing around in that position. So you know I I. I accept that I shouldn't have been in that position. Did you speak to him afterwards. At title he apologized to me times. You know like I said I've known him for a little while you've done some. You know appearances together training together together briefly though I got nothing against them in I know he didn't do it on purpose So yeah I mean yeah wildblood about it okay And we know that you've already had the surgery and so is it the typical nine month recovery or was anything else found along the way that might delay or do you think you could even come back faster and I only say that because one Tony Ferguson. I think did a a six month recovery or something like that you know Others have gone past nine months but I guess the typical number we hear his nine months usually for an acl. Yeah in. That's kind of my goal is. I'd like to fight like november-december I've I've kind of put that go ahead from the very beginning that way. I didn't start giving myself unreasonable. Goals Agoo. Expect myself that he'll fast and Just because I'm an athlete and I tend to give myself good goals but at the same time I've been in this for fifteen years been with the company almost thirteen years and I got some wear and tear my body. You know so and I'm thirty six so I try to think about it to make an educated guess I was always brought up up to to make you know educated assessment. Take take what you know. And and look at all the pros and cons and just you know think about it before you make a decision so it was really thinking about it. And I'm just aiming end of the year. I'm sure that I'm GonNa feel better before then but everyone keeps keeps down me like look. You're gonNA feel great at a certain point where you're you're not. Just just wait and give it you know the full amount of time. 'cause I mean if coming to be honest I before it. I think the likelihood of mean fighting again becomes less because I've been doing this for a long time and Like I said I'm thirty six. How long am I going to be doing it? More injuries like this happened. Really Short in that window so I would I would really like to. We have this one time and then be done with it and not have to have the reoccurring. I came back to soon. I'm just that's not up place. I want to put myself in Cub Swanson. Our guest here on Emi Junkie Radio let me turn it over to goes and then I'll come back with a few more questions. I have cobb now the night that you were there. Dana White was in attendance. He he was right there when that happened. Did you get a chance to talk to him or or any of the UFC officials and key maybe share. What what they said at the time? Yeah going to be sitting right behind. Were our team Thomason. So when I got off he started asking me right away. You violate okay. And and I told them I don't know anything sums wrong long. So she said to contact or that his people The insurance people that work for USC would contact me first thing in the morning and actually contact me that He said that they take care of everything in which is really cool and I wanted to take a chance you know. Tell Them Free Shit. That because wasn't there show they helped promote it but it was put on by different failed so they had their own insurance in which they would talk to me too and I actually had the UFC people and they're still the quintet's simple book. The ember is a different locations and and I ended up just going with you and They took care of my deductible and they took care of everything a day. They've been very helpful. They brought me crept into the next day. And make sure that I get doctor in. LA you kind of think of the name curling and Joe the name of the place GAC ladies a very popular surgeon so they got me in to see the best people. They came your way. They've covered everything so I and You know go without saying I appreciate their help except up and they didn't you so that's very cool and folks the Kurla name. I've heard that for years watching many Laker Games. The job named goes you can relate to this one job I believe invented. Tommy John Surgery for the elbows so he goes back a good thirty forty years but I just wanted to chime in on. That go ahead goes COBB. Now you're you're just as big of a MMA fan you know as anyone we we kind of grew up watching. All of some of these superstars that were at that event to see pride. WBZ strikeforce sure. It tugged a little bit of the strings on your heart like you said with. WBZ Do you feel like that type of injury. Could maybe change things next year for quintet whether it be rule said or just certain things going away Do you think it'll have any effect to any of that. I mean I I feel like you're going to happen. I think you'll see definitely gonNA be More on top of who they met do the event. I had heard that they had already told a couple people that they couldn't They had wanted to do it so I think there are people that already had fights broke and they didn't wanNA run that fast. I just thought I wasn't on the radar But Yeah I think I think event could have some rule changes. A lot of people are confused. I think a lot of guys a lot of the compare showed up and didn't didn't really care to read the rule before and they just had a lot of questions of everybody thought the rules there could be some changes that the the format was just so interesting With you might knowing you're going to go against you know trying to know that and I could go against soccer out But yeah so I mean I would love to watch the next one I I hope people are still going to be a part of it. I hope I answered I. You know I think people need to be aware that they're there but don't be afraid to go out. You know like I found my anger. That was yeah. You know WHO's only been the one in my ear telling me don't be don't do that but at the same time I was still place I still play soccer in in a Thirty five and over in and sometimes they sliding Frankel and stuff like that. It can be dangerous stuff. I could have been doing anything I mean I. I'm not too late about it. That's very true. Let's switch over a little bit to your MMA career You know a little bit of a change aimed at the top of the division. Would you say that a guy like Volkogonov Ski. Do you feel like your skill set matches up better against the guy like that D- believe he will be champion by the time you get back in action. I think both You know the way He. He fought lot math. I was I was really surprised that that he was able to to do so well with them because not only done. Well have noticed. Notice that mcilroy struggled with people are tall again Can he didn't seem to keep the distances and folk nasty heat. She just get in line shops and did so. I was impressed with how he performed in that fight. And I'm not really seeing anybody. Anybody beating them right now. But they're all people coming up And I've always thought that I'd WanNa be long long before the next generation comes off the kids that have actually been barred from a little kid is going skate just a couple more quick ones for me. The like what goes was talking about the format. it's interesting. You know it. It's balanced it out with weight But I guess is there. It's almost like an absolute you know at At Abu Dhabi. Hey you know what I mean and I remember. There was a quinta here the year before. And I remember seeing big ass Josh Barnett who I think you've actually trained with. Its W you in the past He was in this one but just to do to men of you know With one hundred pound difference do they. We actually need to be locking up. I mean you know what I mean or are we thinking this we over thinking this just because of you know kind of what happened. In this instance here I've seen I've seen some cool grappling matches. I mean I remember seems just above her against Jeff Monson in its you match thinking thinking like holy crap one of this grill guy against one of the biggest In it was. It was so intriguing to walk. I think that's why would we all became fans if they wanna see those kind of bored if matches the free. Joe's I mean they still be Japan. I think that people wanna see of that stuff you know because we're we're not punch each other pretend the RAPA against different five guys in gym So it's not outside of the norm. I think we need to be aware that that injuries and possible. Will you ever do something like this again or or do you think you're done until Emma Maes you're ever makers cruise over at least until my Emma makers I don't think It's I think at this point in my career. I think I got a couple a couple of years last That I really going to do And I can't afford to take a year off and right now all right well. It's been great catching up with you. I wish we were previewing. Your next enemy fight But I guess stuff it happens like they say hey and there's another dirtier version of that but Your Dad now with kids. I don't know if you're on speakerphone. So we'll we'll clean it up but but man man. Dan said it just broke our hearts to watch you do that. 'cause we've literally you know I don't know I think he just said something like fifteen years in the port sport or sixteen and I think we've known you through. Oh all of them you know so. It's Kinda cool to watch you almost like it's almost like we watched you play in the The rosebowl will say you know as a collegiate athlete and then your whole all pro career. You know what I mean and not that it's over because you still have gas left in the tank but still We know you're in your senior years and after seeing That injury you know it. Just it tugged on our heartstrings. A little bit but it sounds like you're in great spirits. Just we can't see you but we can hear you and it sounds like you're you're in a good spots awfully rehabs going well and You know spending a little bit of time with your kids your wife and all that you know keeping you happy until it's the right time to get back in there and get sweaty and Star camp. Yeah well I mean I appreciate it I thought you guys in the stands and I was excited to see at their house or they received tons of people out there. I was excited to see ME GETS PERFORM INGEST EGYPT TO Like I said unfortunately hidden take out the best for me but I gotta stay on the bright side of things. I'm really looking forward to once again starring that I can come back I think people probably has has gotten phillies. Rallied around me. Having to come back and and you know I've been starting the Hashtag could twenty twenty because I I'm I'm determined to come back in China this year and after I come back at the year and and I'm going to be really really pushing for the UFC to come the palm springs skirt. They're GONNA be building a thousand feet arena in downtown palm springs cool barring that the the UFC know about it and one of the people that building this building it is also one of the investors in the seats. So I know can happen in I before. Yeah I retire I will have at least one. It's not multiple talent very cool. All right when's the arena scheduled to be done Ah the end of next year the end of two thousand twenty one. Okay okay all right well. That's great news. I did not know about that one. They're they're they're building. A hockey arena arrived. They're supposed to be at Seattle expansion. NHL Team and this is supposed to be there though their the feeder team. Nice all right and the Jimmy Costa Mesa all well with that did you because the Mesa doing well I'm GonNa be doing a lot my react there I just haven't been you'll see GM corporate they're gonna be filming some stuff with need Trying to you know Kinda show my my reading talkable gin and all that stuff. So the gym's doing well Things in to south This year we're going to be Both the in there quite a bit but can be all right but the local. Thanks for the time man. Great catching up with your eye. Bud Yeah thanks for reaching out guys are always appreciate you all right to see a cup later well he seemed pretty good spirits. Considering you know the savvy average of that Injury goes and you know when you think about like I don't want to call them freak accidents but he's just had these type of injuries that not. Every fighter has to go through heartbreak fights that have ended really quickly. He's one of the first guys can hands that he used to get back in the day number Aldo Aldo The quarter over and then just the injuries like a at Jackson's right as I got obliterated like he's had Goulard Lord I think so. Yeah I think ended up any it. Just broken. The four five win streak when he'd be wrong gracie and I thought okay. Maybe maybe things are going to turn right now. You know and But interesting to hear his Outlook on hey look I wanna do this one time one one strong rehab. I'm GONNA pay attention follow if I don't WanNA come back early. And then in two thousand thousand twenty one he says maybe Palm Springs in the AFC. Ten thousand I would be pretty cool. Great catch up there with Cub Swanson. All right folks. That's it for today. Follow us on twitter and instagram. I'm Adam Junkie George goes to goes and excuse me at the goes and the radio show is at radio and we'll see you on another edition. Shirow Rachel Radio soon meantime go out there and be champion.

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UF 361: Rafael dos Anjos, Junior dos Santos, and Russell Peters

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

54:40 min | 1 year ago

UF 361: Rafael dos Anjos, Junior dos Santos, and Russell Peters

"Doc Best Guy in the war. Yeah I know that I had to champion. That's here for your winning tontons. Ladies and gentlemen adjust. I'm feeling very good. I Want Europe. See Rats on another knockout welcome to UFC filtered as that's playing we have a Aldo Santos. We have junior dough. Santos we also have my pal One of the biggest drawing comedians in the World Russell Peters will be on today's a huge anime fan could find a good friend of Bruce buffers a really great guy and very funny I heard he does Jujitsu. Yes yes he does boxes but the important thing here is I ate some of those pretzels peanut butter in them. And I'm just feeling like a fat pig every time I get social media clips to tweet out I look. I'm like why is Matt talking to that water balloon. Oh that's me Jimmy. What a FAT head? I'M NOT GONNA lie to you you you you attack those fucking peanut. Butter filled pretzels. Like I attacked Frank Trigg at that relentless you will relentless I was relentless and it was at one point. When you ask for more about the hand that you have to pull who'll back you had one sticking out of your mouth like a little big I did and I was GONNA say no? Jimmy don't do. I was like I want to stop you. There was a help you they're hurting. You're saying me for myself. There was a pretzel in my my mouth and I went and reached for more. But I'm done eating them. They were not even that satisfying requested. The Bob don't leave them out anymore. Not again it's my problem album. I'm the weakling but I know I'm weak. Yeah Jimmy I didn't. That was not that was in a proud moment of yours. I didn't like CNN. And I've had a lot of shameful moments. It's like five hundred fifty one years of shame. This is this is in the top thousand. I looked over. I was going to hand this to you and I know what it's not. Some people will just listening to this but are more I pulled back you like this little young I really was. I was a fat pay with my mouth. Yeah you talk a little piggy. I sure did I pulled it away. But you're not you're in shape. I'm not in shape. I'm in shape for a pig. Now I want my mouth. It's delicious. It's delicious trust me. I said that when I was young Jimmy. Aren't they tasty math strong. You only have one. I put away this. I need something like that from my home. A Nice Jar. A heavy jar to put treats in willful. Burglars hit with the Heavy Jar. You could do that. You could use as a weapon. No no no no. He's trying to stop the BUNA. Hit The intro so good. We'll play twice. I'm emoting the card this weekend. From Raleigh. Dos Anjos roughhouse fighting Michael Kesse. And of course junior to Santos's fighting curtis blades really really as RDA some of his losses like his first of all nobody should be sleeping. Leeann Leeann Edwards Edwards is the most underrated guy in the hell man. I mean because of that backstage altercation with Massa that like yeah that hyped up Mas- with Dell even more like it brought in more like fame out everywhere and I duNNo. Some guys getting slept only on Edwards. He's GonNa be fighting though the former champ tyron woodley when they are all Arctic Twenty March twenty first and they said according to Leeann. We're there we're GonNa Strip would have his ranking because he wants to fight I guess he wants to fight tomorrow or COVINGTON and He said he didn't have to fight Liane Edwards number four. I think he should fight. Oh I do too going to. Of course I WANNA see how hungry tyron needs to get this back and 'cause he was such a dominant champion. Well every you know you're only as that's good as your last fight so people are looking at that last fight. Tomorrow's can awesome everybody's talking about tomorrow and he said that great fight with Colby. Yeah people forget how dominant tyrant was you know they talk about like him and GSP for the festival tweets ever and that type of talk and now it's almost like a tyrant who not I think he's dangerous L. Right right hand where ceus powerful explosive but Leon Edwards is hungry man. He looks hungry. I just pitch him just just what everybody. All this shit's going on. I could see him training. Yeah I mean he just looks if every time I hear them talking. It's very confident on the point of being cocky and I like it man. 'cause the guy's is back in that shit up we were just watching fight with RDA. Yup I think are added really great first round but w fairly dominant Edwards thing is how he's losing some sometimes he's getting out it. He's not like he's getting beat up. No even the fights he's losing he's not getting smashed. He's getting out appointed by getting taken taken down but then he's not even getting beaten up down he's getting back up most of the time but then the guy will get him out again or something you know. So he's like falling behind in points. You know else. I wonder if that's going to be frustrating. Him knowing that that's how key yes plays a pressure fighter hill. He strikes but it's usually usually just close that distance and then it just grind guy out a lot of ground and pound. You know good standing. He's not bad standing. But you know I think his preference is the do like he did the Diego just like smother. Even though it is true Diego did choose to shoot first but can I say what an interesting fight this is. What's that for? Rda To take because RDA's number five is a welterweight and says I believe unranked. How did this fight? Come about dying question. Obviously look you look at the top guys. He's not GonNa get who's been or Woodley who's fighting Edwards call a broken jaw Jorges probably going to fight Mike Connors or fight for the belt and if he wants to go down. I'm wondering why he is taking. That's a great question. Has he fought wonderboy or no has RDA for wonderboy. I think that'd be a very very interesting fight and I I get not. It's not all about rankings but wonder boys ranked higher unless he has something lined up. Did you would the voice. I HAVE NOT J- interesting you're not GONNA kick off. Did he sang it well. I love one. The boy is the nicest forgave. We Love Stephen right a bad motherfucker very great song. It's not that I know he doesn't WanNa see wonderboy singing but it goes like one do boo ooh. I don't know it's fucking weird. Because he he I swear yeah he walks out here. That are we allowed to. Yeah I think we should be able to play that thing in wonderboy. It's a little it's A. It's it's I think it's interesting you know. But he's such a great. Listen how do you not. One boy is like a music videos. Information de Today's nations are this song. Is this it. Yeah I take it back I like it yes I love it. What is this about I? I don't know but now that I've seen the video I like. It was just say nothing to do with Stephen Thompson. He took it the same way. Mickey Gault what do you Mickey. You're so fine was written from A. He just took it. Why am I lightheaded? Ginny again. I'll we have Raphael on the on the right now. I don't WanNA crying. Yeah all right. Let's do you guys gotta give me a couple second notice. Hello type guys. I'm sorry for gelling all good to see you buddy. How did the fight with key ESA come about considering these other guys who are who are ranked higher that might have been and Also interesting match ups for you. Yeah so we we took a look the rankings and So I'm trying to not not just stay to attached to their rankings anymore at all because back on the days that the Abidi find cloudy and will have no problems. These days. People trying to always find that guy high-ranking Ryo why are high in on them Dan so I'm just trying to you know just strictly active and making fights that makes sense to me and I think he is. He was this coming from like two good. Wins over condit in an EGO Sanchez. And it'll be a good guy from your so you that's great so you're looking at like you're not obsessed with rankings anymore. You just want good funt so because we know we took a look in the rankings and I I got I got that call to fight But he was in. I was just busy with movie and get Ready get stuff up done. Gets things saddle at home. Couldn't take their fight but he was book with vicinity Lewke right after that and so we just look at the ranking than everybody. Some guys are were injuries some other like high ranking them me but Murphy follow and And Leo Adler advise had. Just meet me in Coleman who's month so they'll option was better legal so and then I you know key has come on his name on the table. Avon took that fight now with some of these fights that you're you're losing you're not really getting beat up in you just getting out like pointed wanted like they take you down against the cage and you get back up without getting damage. But it's like it's like you have to catch up points to you know what I mean. 'cause even Edwards it was the blend of the take downs. I think that Kinda maybe got him ahead on some points. Now you fight Michael Kiassa. He's known for pressure and just looking to put you down. Is that kind of frustrating. Or you say I mean you will great neutralizing Kevin Lease take down. I love that but as a kind of styles make fights I just like all right now I gotta make sure I gotTa keep this guy from from. Just get me down and yet backup getting down that type of Shit. Yeah I think those bigger guys like WHO's Mon- Goldie Like Lee was like he was former in l.. A. Usually won't be that way simply ask he is so I don't think this site. He's taller than me but I don't think it'll be their size in shrank advantage. You know and I think we're going to be pretty even and he's not a wrastling. No not a puree he. He's GonNa Looking for submissions. And I think I've been trained a lot of ground Game Pizzas my background. And I think I have been tested submitting into. I like hearing that gets me excited. I remember her. The Neil Magny fight. WHO's a stud and who's also taller than you thought of the fight against all guys that trying to to out grapple me and I fight well again because I know he's GonNa be he's GonNa go try to go forward his aren't gonNA? I tried to stick me trying to stall the fight. You know. I won't make sure hit on the data. I'll make sure that Bush the pace he's going to look for the silver mission. He's GonNa give some open his fight with the Egos Sanchez thoughts on that one. Because I'll tell you ju Jitsu was on point not mentioned Semitic calls conduct with a one on guility Camara which was pretty slick. That was is leaking water so I have been training a lot of. I think like I got that a little bit from fights at turn a lot on the ground because they knew he takes it back. Well just like he is a can't give the back you you now I know is he got he got he take that back really well but I'll make sure I'll stay out of trouble. It's funny right. How some fighters like you know you cannot expose your back and then other fighters you just? Don't you know like when I was fighting. BJ Band. I'm like dude. I know I can't get this guy on my back when I was fighting Matt Hughes. I didn't really give a shit anyway. Back to you fucking former champion. What you've been in this game so long what's is it? Is it a goal. That's still drives. You like is not the money but the golden belt again or is it just the love of competition what still drives you to compete now. Love Compete you know like when I take a A big layoff like did from last fight. I mean like I stopped me. I see how much I love that thing. How much training and I leaves death data in our lives that I live a good life and I live a healthy life and you know this Saturday will be my forty three five in a fight number forty the former way in a former like ray champ already fought for the belt on this wall so of course they go there? What drive me? I'm trying not to Fox too much on the belt. I know like I need result and one step of the time and I think when when the Opportunity Com. I'll make sure we'll get ready. Jimmy this is one for me I gotta ask. I'm sorry I feel. You've got a very underrated ground game because you smoke people what your knees. Your kicks your punches launches. They sleep on your ground game. Sometimes when you're done fighting hope many years from now whatever it is are you going to think about doing straight up to two tournaments or a special or something like that. I interested in seeing it to be honest with you. Yeah that's something that I looked for. You know when I'm they'll fighting fighting in those hard to be completely I love. I love training. Get You you know after a couple of weeks. I'm training and stop picking up. Stop doing like really well with ghee. And I. I WANNA know couple big tournaments when I was four Out Than Brown belt back in Brazil won Moon House when I was purple belt so I was and then after I got in all black belt. There's talk training we give because of the MMA. That's something that I'm looking for in all like compete and give training and get get their mind busy the benefits of wearing and again you guys. If there's a fight coming up two months before I understand taking it off. Do you feel benefits to wear in the gay and to become a better just to play a lot. A Lot With Gig Young. You don't scramble as much as a Nogi you know you have to do. The right attack meek so. Last week I had my John last week I was training. We you know like I had the guys thinking off the top bar and I was with my key and I was allowed to use my grips. So it's given at different Luke in a different type of training and of course if you WANNA get had Good for mantos. You have to wear your g otherwise just going to scramble and scrambled position if you WanNa get good technique gotta put your you became a naturalized citizen about a month ago of the. US Yes congratulations. What was that process? Like yeah I be in leaving here for eight years and so when it came he had come with a work visa through yet and I I applied for my green card took like Five years with a green car and in Oh now we stabilize it here. USA opened the doors for me and for my family. And and I love this country and in all and my family love hit you. And that was a controversial opened. The dos fours in so I can approach to my kid's life a safer life and Mancilla so happy to accomplish that and The US passport uh-huh works you have to change your passport. Yeah so I still have the Brazilian passport when I go to Brazil. I use my Brazilian passport. But now what I WANNA blast right to resonator and American. I still haven't gotten my my my American passport yet but it will I walk lie. Once they get back from the fight. Do you go. Do you have to go to like because my friend comedian. Jim Jefferies. Just I I believe that you have to go like swearing in ceremony or is there something they expect. It's better to do. Yeah the oath of allegiance. Yeah I did that was that was a great great great ceremony. Love that makes you feel someday. It's you know it was a special moment for the whole family. Yeah and look at my kids in in all Daylight in no. I have a flashback. I'm on my mind so where I Bourne where I come from in now I born enough. I fail as it didn't have much for Turner in my life and in oh coming from where they came in. You know to give that to my kids you know like the American Citizenship Fan. You know the account trough the opportunities and so that was a great great moment for me. When you're in a fidelity you growing up in that atmosphere? There's a lot of drugs. There's a lot of crime this guy's trying to make money. How do you avoid that? That had avoid falling into that trap just to survive The Guy that took me to sheet to you know he was he he lived. It'd be across from me on the other side of the you know like very good France. He was one year older than me and when he was seventeen he went into drugs and felt like joined the cartel soft and he got killed with eighteen years old and that was the guy that brought me to shoot so and you know even that out I was going to. You know Middle School in first grade with these guys they they become a in all the the boss of the Vela's I I was just like still being there France but in all my mom is still live down on the place that that I warn my family's still there. Yeah but in all I still have a good relationship when go there. People respect me because because I was on the same environment but I never join any party. No I always cloak within the just just folks in. I'm doing the right things you know so when you go back you see your old friends and you're comfortable going back and you know that you're GonNa be okay totally you know people. Don't don't mess up with my family. They know they're my family family. And you know when I find people you know saw in all they do a big party for me there and they all watch my fight together. It's fun and also what do you think too because now that the one fight. I think that you weren't able to make was your fight with Connor. Do I think it was an injury. Now he's fighting fighting at welterweight is he. He's probably GONNA stay there. He's talking about going back down for me but I think he's in state Walter as long as he can. Is that something. You've thought of possibly getting a shot at your. Yeah Mail in all my one hundred percent of my Fox's ran now is on key Saturday by passing that I'm not trying to look passing data. uh-huh is that could be an opportunity. You know like we got close twice. I have This Saturday will be forty. Three five professional fights and I never pulled out due any injury just one time guest corner. I broke my food and you know as a fighter. Matt you know she happened right thank you. Can you know it. It's a combat sport. You know I got hurt and that she happened but you it could be and then we were scheduled fight. I heard we went to the tidal for the entering titled title. But now and then he broke the bus hit. Throw them in the dollar and the Buzz Nip. The things didn't happen so we got close twice at thank. He's on the radar and IPO COCO me. Gatekeeper on that division. have no problem with that. And if you want to join division I will be two outcome him. Well look good. Good luck against this is a great fight against a looking forward to seeing who you fight after Good luck with always good watching you but thanks appreciate it. Bank my pleasure. Thanks for having me. Congratulations that's good for you. Thank you I mean I like. Rda Yeah I really like. He's Jujitsu is underrated rated. You know what I mean this. Yeah I am too It'll be interesting to see how he handles him. You know I wanNA know who is going to be fighting soon What's his name again? Jimmy one didn't he just say he's in the Sky I don't know what are the words. Can we have the words I'd I'd rather we didn't Jimmy looking for a sorry one boy. Is it a fun. Say it I prefer to Jimmy. Listen so so we have different definitions of fun Jimmy. I'd just like you know it's funny. I really funny but I like to sing but yet you'll never find me at a Karaoke bar. You know Jimmy. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's not my Jimmy. Do you likely star. Wars shirt organise star wars. I I like your stores compared to your singing. I love your store shirt compared to anything else I don't care you WanNa see my socks this ouch that'd be my wife when we're young look like it let us. That's Nice Matin his wife. That's a nice side. This one is my wife also but it's just a face that it goes babe. Where do you get them made? She knows I love. They got the made. No that's cool. I'M GONNA get pick me and ozzy made into a sock Ozzy Osbourne you love him. Of course. Do you missing music. You'll miss a man both not in a physical way but I just love him. That's trying to say you want to sleep with them. No it's weird man he heads off a doves and bats. Are you going to do. He's busy hungry. Go grab a snack into how hard healthy on the road for the Bike Junior. Let's get jd. Yes on now. He's fighting Curtis Blades. Is that always fighting. He is indeed curve blades. Yep Easy for anybody. No it's either. Jd US US former champ. Hello how are you yes. Sportmanship J. D. S.. What's up buddy? Guys how are you very good. How are you good to talk team? Fine now. Where where are you right now are you are you around? Raphael is because we just talked to him. It looks at the same background. I'm I'm mad at my room to run. Okay all right cool. I'm assuming man it's too cold here. Saw A man. It's hard to go out of their room here. Do you handle Dole a very warm weather place. Do you handle the cold badly Really like you know. Cold weather But Yeah it's not being dad that bad you know we're having good times here doesn't make a difference though I mean the lead up to the fight. Are you gonNa you you know whatever you gotTa do to prepare for your imagine. You'RE NOT GONNA be cutting whatever you gotta do to prepare. You can't go out and do it like you. Just gotTa stay in the hotel. Do you approach things differently. When you're in a place like that thing unlike say Vegas where you can go out and do whatever you want I think for me it's A? It's a little a little better because I don't lose any weight for my side and I don't need to wait for my fight and you know I'm around fifty to fifty two saw. I'm fine you know but I okay I I can imagine the guy that they have to cut way you know. They're in trouble for sure now now. Jd Asu. Last three fights verse Francis Derek Lewis and tied to Vasa. It's it's guys that are the big bangers dangerous strikers and usually the game the plan is upstairs now. You Fighting Curtis Blades whose he's dangerous. Stop but he. He's a dangerous grappler. Let's face it. He's looks to put the fight down. Is that how do you. How do you feel about that? Because I know you love standing and I know you're also jitsu black belt. So how what do you feel about fighting a guy. That's looking to put you down. Well I already already have experienced before you know and other guys Sir example. I think it's a their game plan are kind of the same but But I ask aalto. Good fights fight. You never know what's going to happen you know I'll be looking to the knockout in all four of the Hotan again. You know. That's what I love to do. They WANNA give for the people here in rally. You know I know that that likes to see good knockout. So I'm there to give one for them but I know you know this guy is is a tough guy and all he's going to be tried to take me down all the time but And if I have to digital Actually I don't think it's GonNa be that easy for him to take me down. I have I I have three good. Take Down Defense. But if he does you know we we're going to do if he gets to grapple. We're GONNA grab like you said you have wrassling I'm American top team right now and I feel good about that about that too. You know. It's of course if I have to pick what to do. I want to stand up and bang. You know I love boxing in that's my thing so but it's May we have done the same dad and the more experience again. I realized that I you know I have everything what it takes to to beat others guys. I'll be ready for for him you all. It wants to dig now long. I mean he's he's going verse a former champion in yourself so you know he's just licking his lips. Get ready for this fight. Super psyched thinking. This is the hugest name that he's fought so I mean. Does that give you extra motivation. See if he gets if he has me under his belt that puts him in line aligned for big things Oh yes or no. I used to say that every next fight is the most important fight of your career. And that's why always take this fight. You know it's a it's a very important find for me an all even especially actually the same thing for him and That's why I I'll be training very hard. You know to be ready for despite to be ready to to to win this fight on Saturday night and you know all respect my opponents you know like you guys know it and Yeah let's let's Jimmy. When I I heard now you are you a big fan of the rocky movies because you'll come out to the rocky song accurate accurate? Who doesn't you know we we all That that story you know it's actually. I love that story. It's amazing okay. I'll tell you right now. The first time I heard you come out to it. It was after back when I was fighting. He's he's becoming a veteran now so I'm like man that's that was. My rock is la more like rocky. I'm short and I'm Italian guy. Why is this big smiling Brazilian coming out to my rocky song? But I can't stay mad at that he's looking at you. Can't he's he's he's handsomer Helix Center. We both love rocky law squalls feeling after the first three though you gotta be honest franchise it took a dip in part for the Russian one was not a good speech at the end of the Russian one. The goal yeah anyways listen. He likened insulted. Rocky I apologize. I'm looking to fight this week. I am too and Francis you know obviously is it harder or easier to adjust after fi like Francis. It's like everybody gets caught. It was just one of those things you know. Is it one of those things things. That's difficult to come back from or is that kind of an easier one to shake off its man You know I know. Oh were Kinda what kind of tied I am. You know and I know who I am in is a fighter. I love what I do and Sometimes we we are not in the best day you know things are fighting is not I consider like eighty percent of five years mantle. You you know so you have a you have to give yourself positive on the in average situation. Of course you don't want to leave the negative results but a like it happens with media and all that time with Francis is a his he has a lot of power but But I think I was confident I at the beginning the five I felt I felt I felt very confident. Then I tried I that overhand right against him and that thing exposed me exposed me me too his his power and he's enjoyed the modern. I paid a big price but you know of course I have to prove that inside sidearm gone but for me. You know. It doesn't mean has he that he's better than you know he's saying he was saying many many things but one of the all of my goes right now is to have that rematch. Because men like I said I felt good in. I should stick to you my my game plan to my strategy and I didn't I expose myself in my strategy was to especially the first wrong to move a lot in throw some fast hands against him you know against him and keep myself like on not defense way but like more cautious for all. These are the first wrong off the ball. I could all have some fun and you sits eighty percent mental. Do The Times where it hasn't gone the way you wanted to go. Do you find. Have you gotten distracted or did you feel it before you walked into the fight. I don't not even mean necessarily with him just other times. Have you felt something was off before you walked in or is it usually something that will happen in the cage wall. It was in the cage. Actually I was kind of nervous because I knew nervous. Like like say Asians it's normal. The the match are not well. Heck Yeah saw I was coming to the fighting kind of neighbors but as soon as the fight started started you know I felt so good he can twice. I didn't do anything for those aches. And then I kicked him and he follows to the to the ground and then I punch him on. The badly in his is big is war. This fight is nine. You know so I felt too confident and then I soi hulk overhand rights. Because I saw a good distance for that and I didn't I should be measured the measuring the distance before with my job but I didn't I just throw their orga handwriting. I put a lot of power that in. Yeah that that was the moment my mind mistake. Because I I fell to Kaufman. You know I was expecting something much harder from him in. I didn't feel that so I was. I thought this is my moment and through the behind the ride expose myself. He joined the moment. Punch me punch me in malls out no along things up. You'd like very much your I love I love you no doubt rematch. I won a half my terrified with they stupid to so many many things to do this vision men in right now I have a very tough guy from me. My as my opponent in That's kind of feeling that I love to haul you know big challenge. So let's go good luck band. That's the main event this weekend in Raleigh yourself against Curtis plays. It's a really interesting fight and good luck and trying to have fun in Raleigh. I imagine you won't be staying offer a few days after the fight right. Stay warm buddy. Stay warm over there. Thank you guys. Take such a fraser. Very Nice Dude. Yeah you know. And that's GONNA be hell so if I liked curtis blades. I do too next episode Curtis Blades. Now who's GonNa Nice episode. Do you favor really quick. Press play in really quick for two seconds seconds. Excellent stop wait wait sorry to hear it one way or the other. Would you rather hear it from fucking Sin Atias de Jack Black and I forget the other really. Yeah yes Jack Black things so you basically basically just enjoying a Jack Black Song serious would you walk out to a Matthew mcconaughey number somebody with you any other words. Thank God right now. I'M GONNA learn. I have faith by Wednesday's episode. You should save it for for next week or next time. We have wonderful wonderful surprise. You want me to sing a classic Jimmy. I just `Camorra to man. I put his. Aw behind his back. I kept it there Intel. It snapped Jammie. I have no choice Jimmy. Listen that's a very bad so much fun what you do. I don't even think to my wife. Of course you don't want to you. That's wonderful. Lucky me I'm going to tell one day which is missing although wonderful Sava ask her to try to ask you to start seeing it home. Just get worried if I stopped wearing your face on my socks like I do it my wife will. I'll be disturbing wearing yours just to bug you so when you say I'll put my feet up. We'll see a picture menial let's take a break. I got thinking leaving. Hello we're back we're back. I just had to go potty. Jimmy Yeah we got Russell Peters coming on who is also promoting to what does he was on prime video January seventeenth. Okay to ported. It's called sounds very controversial. Not really we Russell toweling off. Hey Buddy how the shirtless Russell. I like it adds about to put on a hat and everything. Let's make this a freak show man. I'm taking my shirt thank you. I won't pay off now. Everybody you take yours topless show. I thought this was the topless show Matt always topless skin bottomless show. Sometimes well unless I'm here then this as as when I was talking about Matty said I love that Dinnie does. That's what he calls me the true trained with Enzo I trained with him once at a seminar training. But you know he's he's a hard guy. The lockdown to train with. You'll be like my brother anytime and I call him like I got somebody set up for you there. I agree with you great. Yeah he said next thing you know. He's an Abu Dhabi. He's not Russell. How did you get started with Brazilian? Jujitsu I wanNA know that so. I started Like Ninety seven and with Carlos Newton. Let me throw my hat on. Like totally shot. I loved Machado Chato so I started doing Japanese Jujitsu. Oh in the nineties A friend of a comic friend of mine was doing Jitsu when he was teaching me. Stuff But WHO's teaching all standing up. Yeah so it's all the exact same moves it camara a take flip guy right over you can do it guilty in in standing guillotine and all that stuff and and then I went and trained with Carlos Newton couple times back then. Pioneer pioneer one of Canada's first right one of the first guys on the scene and he was he was a wild my first time Russell in a UFC. Let's see my first ever fight. You have shown E. Carter. UFC thirty one is when Carlos new call US calls Newton. Yeah Carl sorry I just as name call us. Newton ended up winning the welterweight title verse Pat military-age via Bulldog uh-huh choke the first time I ever did a bulldog joke in the U. of C.. You know what I mean. I learned that was then. There was the double knockout with him and Matt Hughes Matt Hughes Yeah that that was insane eight. What do you think about that? He got screwed on that. I mean they have. That was insane was so so. Let's explain what's going on. So what happened is Carlos Newton Ford idea and Iraqi to absolutely but not no no. It's a little different but little but a Do you WanNa say what happened muscle. You've probably been so Carlos was choking out Matt Hughes and and if you see the footage you see every single muscle on Carlos. Carlos is back with a try back and never seen back that muscular in my life. Yeah and money any picked up by my matt picked him up and slammed him while Matt was being choked but Matt when when Carlos hit the ground the impact knocked out Carlos but matt had already. You've been knocked out. So in Matt hit the ground. He was already knocked out. So it's like a double. It should've been a double. Ko So he had him when he was choking him. It was in a a triangle choke with his legs so matt with the power on them and they were up against the cage so when he went down the the slam knocked out. Call us like Russell said but matt was out. He was out where he goes. What happened? I believe it was John McCarthy. Goes you want one. It certainly EXAC- oh it he does. He jumps up like you did something. So it's hysterical. But our calls was such a stud. He has actually two fights with Mr Hans. Yeah yes there was one in one. You one wondering you lost one comedian. Russell is at somebody I know is just guy from Toronto. WHO's not Doing anymore. Yeah he just Kinda just Kinda fell out he just retired. He learned Japanese and he wanted to become a doctor. Okay so stand up is one of those things he just stopped. OPT offer was doing for a little while. Hey you're on Amazon prime. I think the only other guy I know who's on Amazon prime is gaffe again so it seems to me now. I think Brian Callans on their two. Oh stake they're taking really big. COMEDIANS and Amazon prime is is doing. These stand up. Specials was called deported on January seventeenth. How did they convince you to do it? Because you pretty much. Have your choice of where you can go at your special well. They didn't really convinced me. It was kind of like I started the The whole netflixing looking at like I was the first guy to do the straight to Netflix. Deal Oh you are and yeah I was the guy remember came into your show to promote it back then got. I'm so stupid. I should've jumped on that stock bandwagon back. Then I was a little bit and they've been doing a great job with it but it's really crowded over there. Yup and I thought it was time move onto to go somewhere else and give it a shot and maybe get some more promotion. If there's fuel you guys is there are more likely to promote individual specials. Yeah I mean they're. They're not promoting guys bigger than me and so I'm like well. What are they gonNA do for me? Nothing really you you mean. Yeah Yeah are you on the road at all now yeah. I'm in Toronto Right now promoting it I was in Orlando last week and I did seven shows so so when you travel you Jujitsu win or no. Do you have different places you stop all you know I want to when I was in Orlando. I tried to find people who go train with. Listen I hit up John Jack. 'cause that's why with now John Jack told me to go hit up a guy named Gaudino and and then Gorgino was in Australia and then everybody else. I didn't know anybody else. I of course Sunday night on the on the Sunday night show like magic people come to the show and like Hey am at American top team. Gene I'm a Brazilian top team. I'm over here I'm over Machaca. Raise Jim what would you come roll with us. I'm like you tell me on the last day in the morning you ever get a fear. The of running jumping into class and being like I want to gotTa Strangle Russell. Well that's Bekwai John Jack. I like. We're the KNUCKLEHEADS. I don't WanNa go with the KNUCKLEHEADS. I just WANNA roll. Learn Jujitsu. Maybe maybe get tapped out in a nice way before the guys who've gone for you. I haven't haven't had that happen yet but I could see it happening for sure. And how did you get linked up with the Great John Jock Machado so I was. I stopped doing Jitsu like in two thousand. What happened was I choke the guy out on the street any any passed out and fell face first into the ground blew and all his teeth fell out? I thought I'd killed him when I just I I thought I was. I thought I was this evil master. And it's like I'm never doing this again. I have to. You have to just give a little more than that now. What he's telling me he was heckling Ashfield? Here's why it was bad because I was standing on the street looks three. AM in Toronto's twenty years ago and two guys jumped go back one guy jumped on my back and jumped on the side of me. Like grabbed me from the side and I just swung my body and the guy in the side end of in front of me and I put him in a guillotine is and and as soon as I locked guilty I knew I had it and I'm screaming. I got your mother fucker. I got you and I guess he. It wasn't now but then the guy in my back jumped off and ran around the front row. Slow that's that's that's me and clan and I'm like Oh shit. His friends are yours. Yeah they were just messing around but my brain was like attacked only to fall on his face. Yeah when I let go I. I didn't realize how long I had the token force I was like okay. That's enough. He was leaning on me. He was on his knees leaning on me. And I'm like I stepped aside and he just fell face person on the ground up. Oh ooh that'll teach them with those fucking band pranks all that gets bad branding and I just felt awful after an academy to grand by the guy new teeth. I you still fans. Yeah Yeah Yeah worked. All we're cool. He hates bring it up. And I'm like don't sneak up on me anymore. Nasty knows his fault. Yeah I mean it is but I mean I kind of odid on the stroke. I think but doesn't feel good Russell. Now you don't have to be some Jiu jitsu champion or mixed martial arts experts but doesn't doesn't feel good that you feel that you can handle yourself that you know what it's like to get out from underneath somebody or you can strangle. Somebody doesn't feel it's an amazing feeling like I mean boxed amateur for nine years so that was always my forward thinking and then and then when I that's not something you can just just do it fifty years old anymore you can just go punch people in the Senate and Jujitsu so quiet and peacefully just like hey here we go good night sites. Are you ever in Long Island New York it was I. You know it's funny as I was at the I was at the Westbury last year. I was thinking and I wanna hit up Matt. I WanNa hit up Matt Sarah and go traveling with them. Jimmy give him my number pure Ma'am all right. You'll be Comoro knee Russell. I'm not that guy you know you have a great three time. Well no listen mad. I'm a blue belt with three strikes. I'm nothing yet. Well I'm saying I'll give you my home but we'll have fun fun. What Buddy? What's happened to blue purple after Purple Purple Purple and then Brown and black? But it's all about the journeyman. It's such a good time. I'll I'll tell you russell when I say about my school's Jujitsu in general like people don't gotta train with me but I love that they train. That's what I always try to Jimmy. Drain Course Ju. Jitsu specifically Automo- slowest Jitsu. It really does empower you. A guy there could be somebody that's unathletic and it could let them be able to defend themselves and their family early and that's what I feel very strong about so I don't if I make another champion great but died. I love doing that day in my breathing is so bad because my sinuses. And I'm going the third to meet with a specialist. I'm GonNa get my surgery again soon so hopefully I can get my breathing. Situated Green Work will listen. I got bad breathing to Jimmy. I got a I got a broken nose for press thirty years from boxing and I didn't know it at the time breathing. I was get yelled at for breathing. Breathe I agree quieter. Well Jimmy's also got something else called excuses. I do have excuses Jimmy. I also suffer from the House and I just want to empower my my friend and I WANNA take but I'd run on a breath sometimes. I'm like Jesus Christ how would I do on a Jujitsu Matt. If I can't breathe just sitting here you know you don't know until you try you WanNa try I know Caitlyn's Kagan has been shaming. She's correct I seen her last night at Sarah J. J. a attacking people he did yes I did. She's looking great man. Yes take fights seriously. Caitlyn Kagan yes. Sorry listen what got you. You've been watching for how long since the beginning since. UFC Two because one was never available. So I've been watching since two and you hope I'm seeing your entire career unfolded even pride. I was watching you. That's so that's so crazy. Crazy never fought in pride but listen I went over there. I was watching it but I was watching over there. What is supposed to fight? The Guy got lit up in flames. That's a whole other story. The Guy Walked on a pyrotechnics. I told you that Gary Goodridge back in the day how is he doing. Okay that guy now listen to me. Thank God for Jitsu you gotta learn you know you. Don't WanNa keep you. I waited to end my career Russell to start throwing the sledgehammers before I do Jujitsu bum rush but had some nice hands on you to bless hands. I'm not hyping implicit heavy hands here. Italian you guys have hands. It's true I can't we now. I feel I can't wait to train what Russell. Yeah that's literally one of my goals during learned with the train with John Danaher. Great I can make that happens though Hickson. I would love the row with. I would love to learn to make myself that I hold. I don't give a shit. Why talk to Hicks in Hough on your little I got high Hickson looked up to him? Coming up was I. I went to a seminar. He did and and look he's teaching. The seminar comes around. Just lift your arm. Make sure you're doing your thing right and then at the end I take a picture and I put my arm around him. I I just pretend lift. My hip almost killed me Shit Russell. Yeah sure I have a smile. And they're gonNA hey and then he goes. I got and I was like. Oh sorry. Sorry he takes them. What we we had him on? I think we had Hanzel in studio and he was. That's right yes. Yeah he's the greatest that ever was where is he. He's in Cali California. I believe they. Do you have any gigs in New York. Are you going to be in New York at all not anytime soon. I think something offer came in. I am not sure if it's happening in July maybe joy. Hey have you. Here's a I do you know what's his name be be a lesser than his. Name is Do you know him from the Saudi Royal Family NBA NBA. I wouldn't say I know that's for sure I don't know now. I know who he is. Met Him if he if he was a good egger. No I'm mad at me was a nice guy. He was nice to me. But I mean you know. That's I mean everybody's GonNa be nice. I era when they meet you. My goal in life is to tour with Russell an open forum to dirty. I probably can't there's too many locations I would love that the my audience would be like What's going on right now? They probably wouldn't care for it but he just he flies you first the best gigs ever. You'd have to change your whole routine Jimmy. I know all I can too. I'm too old to change. You can't thing and then to me. It's disrespectful because Jimmy like a solid a-list headliner and he's a degenerate. That's a new splash Russell. Jujitsu questioin top player. God player your preference. I I I don't mind. Let's here's the funny thing about Jiu. Jitsu Matt Jimmy. When you talk about it sounds so gay Russell for a guy? That's a clean comic. He it can be certainly politically incorrect and get away with that choice. I love it you know. Here's my here's my game at solid the bottom player you. You're right to guard yeah. I'm I'm pretty good in the guard John. Jack made sure that he made my my guard game solid he mistake. 'CAUSE I I'm good with pressure on top. Yes he said I need to. I need to be better on the bottom. So He's been making me do bottom for the past year and now when people are on top of me I I can i. It's hard. It's hard to pass me. You're not gonNA pass me. I fucking like that. How often do you train when I'm home every day? All you do look at that. Were you go in the afternoon for private lessons classes I do both. I'll do essays available for private. I'll do it otherwise. Sit in the class. I don't care anymore. You don't mind I mean he's he's learning from one of the best ever John and I guess that's Malibu Los Angeles nizing as in Tarzana. I'll tell you you like spoiled now. Yeah you go anywhere else you you you learn from John. You'll learn from like one of the Machado brothers. I started with Hagan and then he gins. Trainings are too short and too infrequent. So then I I called he. Can I go listen. I need to do this more. Is it okay if I go to your brother. And here's a column that's also man and I'm so happy you're training raining and I'll tell you right now. Two things are going to be definite in the future one. We'll be training together and to don't you'll ever be touring together. Jimmy probably not I mean. Listen Nuno's maybe Jimmy find. God is luckily enough as act Jimmy. Don't find him he's it's not anywhere no I know I found shut the door in my face. I love it all right. Listen you're specialist. Russell Peters deported. It's it's on Amazon prime video as of January the seventeenth. So congratulations and I imagine you'll be in the clubs working out a new our and then back on the road in theaters again. I I'm I'm already on the road with working. I'm already working. Hey my act like you Jitsu. It'll get you to sleep in about twelve all right Russell. Pitas you talk anybody rolling man I love it I love thanks for having me guys in Jimmy and Matt Matt. It's a real honor to talk to you and Jimmy. It's always an honor honor to talk to you. Assume talking to you. Thank you take you up a nice guy. I feel like I know I feel like I. See what Bruce Buffer a lot like he legitimately early love to you know. I think he's friends at all the old school rappers like Mellie Mell and all those guys you know I I was gonNA say yeah. When you're in Long Island you could chicken chicken chicken check out? Good show Jimmy wanted to plugs. Yeah so sorry for the last eight seconds. I wish I had been in black forgetful stick where I could just make you forget that I just did that. Jimmy I apologize to you and I apologize to all of you have see on buildings oldest ears. We should apologize. Anybody who the IRS. Sorry about listen. I'm going to be in no Wilbur theatre on April the fourth. They've added a show April third foxwoods in Connecticut. It gets come see me. Do you know what I'm doing this for Jimmy. I ask you fucking what I tell you. Got Pictures of my wife is what I do. And then I send the pitches. You're so cute. She's stopping ugly ugly. There's nothing to do with anything but listen to me. January twenty fourth off live to be New York Comedy Club. I know what you're thinking what I'm going to be doing my new material. I don't have a theory. It's S. C. N.. Live live with my buddy Christian off Cape Mulligan. Comic rb three. I don't know if he's a comic. He's a funny guy. Listen Andrew Guyau how did you see what was their La- says Gee I repeat it. You're not going to say it. Listen to me. It's in the East village. Listen I don't have a good time why I'm going to be talking about stuff. Like Star Wars Jamie. Don't judge me because you might say to. What fucking fucking Pussy? But meanwhile opposite of a pussy dangerous man. 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The MMA Beat: Episode 227 (Diaz vs. Pettis, Frankie Edgars Title Shot, UFC Rochester Preview, More)

The MMA Beat

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The MMA Beat: Episode 227 (Diaz vs. Pettis, Frankie Edgars Title Shot, UFC Rochester Preview, More)

"You're listening to the vox media podcast network. It's Thursday may sixteenth two thousand nineteen and this is the Pete. Welcome. Everyone is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program. I am from fighting as well Sirius XM, and I'm joined by probably my favorite kind of panel that a little bit of column a little bit of column. Be so nice mix to my left. It is Denny's girl, from FEMA fighting dot com to his left is being volley from the infighting shape podcast access TV UFC unfiltered, a whole bunch of places, and at the very end you know that dunk as Brian Campbell in his like reverse Seersucker suit, complete with barbecue sauce, Dane. Right. Maybe. He's from CBS as well as you are you from f s one. No, but I hope to show on FOX one called face to face. Check it out. Check your local listing day. It was. All right. Pretty good. I'll take. All right, for Luca. Yes. Good. So we got a lot to get you. I'm sorry, that we started late somebody else on the trip up this morning from Washington DC and someone got hit by a train outside of Baltimore. So we just have to sit out there for like an hour, hour and a half. So I'm sorry. But we are here there will be no after the beat unfortunately, but we appreciate anyone who sends any questions or comments using the hashtag the enemy beat. Please keeps in and then we'll pick that up next week. We just don't have any time today. Sorry about that. Okay. Let's start the show though. Danny shall we look at you a little well rested? Yes. That didn't stashed any hits. When it's manicures there's something to that. I, I agree, hamster very Miami. I like all right. Let's talk about it. This is usually thirty been talked about today. We will get to some of the leftovers a little bit later but Hello everybody there isn't fight this week. Yes, yes, I know that there's no bus for it. But in fact, is true. There is a UFC event this weekend. You'll see find that I think it's one fifty two. You have see Rochester. It's taking place at the venue, named after a pharmaceutical company, which has always kind of fun are an insurance provider in any event at the top of the car is a welterweight contest between two former one case champion under the one eight title contender the weight class down. Both have now moved up. One has had some success, and how failed it was on just your other one is making his maiden. Voyage to this weight class when you think about this fight, what is the most important element to understanding it. Well, I think this is this is circumstances. Just obligating fighters to move up. These two guys are clearly wait, too big for lightweight. But as. We've seen at least with those on us, we're gonna see how you know, Li fills up, but at least for designers, he's still bit small for welterweight, so, you know, they, they've talked about possibly not even coming one seventy but coming coming in at one sixty five just to make a statement. But this is what's, what happens, you know, there there needs to be awake class there, because there isn't guys like a rough design just guys like Kevin Lee are going to be forced to move up to welterweight in and compete. This doesn't really feel like a world away about to me. Almost feels like a lightweight about same thing with a few others that I'm sure we'll get to later on the show. But yeah, this is just circumstances. You know, pushing these guys up on also speaks volumes stood the mess going at one fifty five that people would just rather fight a week last open in be involved in the Linux fifty five with all them tricks, talking about Luke, Phoenix. What do you think about this? But what's the biggest story? I think the biggest story really is possibly the idea of the weight, and also taking a look at Kevin Lee at this weight. And saying was that part of the problem in. The past because if we see him against somebody like RDA, and if he is going to use his wrestling, and we'd seen that experience with RDA before him having trouble there then we can take a look at that, and we can really Judge Kevin Lee, a little bit better. And we can have a little bit more of a say on who he is. And how he fights because I remember in the beginning before the fights with Aliquippa we would say, oh, my God. Look at him he's, he's going to be a big star. And then you kind of like kind of filtered off a little bit. So I think it it'll really kind of let us know where he is. And where he's going to be in the division. This is the perfect crossroads fight. Not just because they have to careers that could be going in other directions. But because RDA set the blueprint that leaves basically following which is reinvent yourself at a weight higher. That's close to your natural weight are really great lightweight won the title almost killed himself. Trying to make way the times we've seen Kevin lease problems. This will tell us right now. What we haven't Kevin Lee that the love about the welterweight division right now. It's completely reloaded didn't really have a huge identity less for years with Woodley, top wasn't that deep this thing suddenly hot fire in the? Idea of inserting Kevin lead to it, who screams future champion every time. He's in the cage had some misfortune. That's and bad luck had some great fights. You just lost. He might be able to tell us this Saturday if he's going to be able to get line for a title and he's gonna have a much shorter path to get there. Even with the big names because of the giant mess of fifty two. Right. Back to you. He had made the claim Kevin Lee. In fact, this week, I forget, which media outlets so please forgive me, because I've forgotten where I saw it, but he said that now one seventy is more stack than when fifty five century were false. Now is the entre. He's saying it to promote this kiss this grand debut. He's having, but I will say this, there has been some kind of matriculation you had max hell ago that didn't work. So now you've got these other guys to figure out what's going to happen. ADS coming back. That's kinda crazy, but that's gonna be at one seventy against Anthony Perez who also went up when you add those two. But let's not forget that lightweight is historically deep the last few years. And it's a complete train wreck with the idea of, is Connor going to defend his titles. You're gonna come back and now veep suspended and Tony Ferguson. Can't get title fight in all the other madness going on. But it's really deep. It gets me fired back up. I mean you gotta ask it in there. You gotta reinvent Lawler. You've got Mazda. They got a lot going on there. Fun argument, hipster argument better, hipster moved, and Danny with that than mustache. But one fifty five is all killer. No filler. Let's be honest. I like them both though if you really look at it, and I like the mix ups because people are moving around, because it sets up more matches and more possibilities, it sets up that like kind of dream. I want this guy against that type guy type of thing I like the idea. I mean I do like once sixty five I still wish that was option. But, but I do like people moving around, and I'm always thinking about the safety and the health of the fighter. So it's like great move around. Give yourself more competition. So I don't wanna say one fifty five is better or more stack than one seventy I wanna say. This mix up opportunities. It makes it more fun for me to see matches up matches that I might not have seen in the past. I, I would say will it's agree division. Don't get me wrong, but it's a bit of a smoke and mirrors because a lot of the players that are making that division great right now. Our, our lightweights, or former lightweights and look, I wouldn't be surprised he hasn't closed the door one hundred percent on my weight, Nate Diaz, I wouldn't be surprised if he's done if he makes the cut for for a specific fight, maybe the Conor McGregor fight, you know, Kevin Li I don't think he sees close the door. I think at this point RDA's pretty much welterweight, but any of those guys can drop back down to one fifty five where, you know, the real big fights are at I think one fifty five is still though the division the biggest division the most activation. But nonetheless at this point in time. Yeah, we'll do is looking pretty good. So here's what I would say the question at hand or at least the claim that kenley posed. It might be more competitive. Now, you actually Mike it a welterweight. That's pretty commensurate with lightweight, but only because lightweight is so crazy at the top. And then so crazy stacked all the way through people are just trying to find opportunity where they think that, you know, so maybe he's right. That there's been a bit of a shift, but I think it's only because that real and molten core is one fifty five, nevertheless, when I think about the other story of this fight Phoenix to me, it is reinvention now RDA hit a roadblock against Comoros, man. But it turns out that guys the best welterweight going right now. So not that big of a deal in some cases, depending on value in it. Now Kevin Lee is looking for reinvention as we have seen over and over and over again. One of the best ways to just jump. Start your career is find a new way class and all kinds of amazing things can happen. Kevin Lee believes if he wins on Saturday. He's going to be in that title mix. Is that a is that a fair? Assessment on his part. I believe. So, like I said earlier, it was really believed in him when he first got the UFC's attention. So now to be healthier, really, if you ever caught weight in your life. You've ever caught wait for a competition that whole week if it's really killing you, you're completely cloudy. And then if you get to await and you feel like I don't have to cut as much and I feel healthy, you're almost a different person. And then the possibilities of your reinvention your creativity. Michael key said it I'm not fighting for my life in there. I'm able to think I'm able to be clear. So that reinvention also comes with the fact that you feel reinvigorated, as an athlete if you don't have success, and then you want of jumping back. I mean, that's something that you have to figure out what your weight nutrition, but we can tell such a better narrative, when we have a fighter that's one hundred percent, mentally and physically there. I can't believe could go on Robert Whitaker, type run here by moving up in weight and complete everybody believes Kevin everything was star champion to me. Everything I know we've, we've flooding explaining what happened against Alec went. Tough match at weight class that he just barely makes I think Phoenix nail it. Look props from your gas tank. It robs from your ability to explode robs from your power robs from your mental stability and focus and I'm not taking anything away from Al. I think that certain fighters have each other's number. You can be great and, but yet, still like look at Frank Edgar and Josie Aldo, the he always had a hard time with him. I just think that there's certain people that have your number. Oh. Impossibility to but lightweight is a violent meat grinder. It's a hamster wheel. Because even if you win and stay relevant against the guys in the middle of the pack, they're taking a lot of you each time, and it's hard to get in line as we established for that title always lead weight, so deep that it's giving you the fields of light heavyweight at the end of the last decade. Yes. Very much. Golden division again. There are some problems at the top right now as real noble, assuming that that gets relatively resolved. It's pretty clearly your marquee division. It's always fun. I think to that point, I think one of the things that we're looking at it to be that division, kind of like reminds of, of the golden days of the light heavyweight division, is that at least in the light heavyweight division. It felt like matchups were rolling out and people were fighting each other constantly lightweight. It just seems a bit of a stalemate right now. We'll see we don't want to be vice. Dust employer how that rolls out. But yeah, it is one of the top of visions, I, I would like to talk to Kevin Kevin leap point. Like, yes, he you know he had a hiccup against Quinta. Quinta. Yes. I those points are valid, like maybe the way they kill them. But if you don't know if you've ever met him in person. He's, he's not a very tall guy. I really don't think he has frame suits to be to be the best. He can be at welterweight. I sixty five is probably the week lesson. That's what he's been. So, you know, a compliant he's been so advocate about that week wasn't wanting to make that he's got no other options. So he's gonna fight with her. I'm sure you can find success and he can be a very good fighter. What way? But the best of Kevin Lee, we probably see them at one fifty five or one sixty unless you can sort of rely on his wrestling J in the speed of it, and kind of Frankie Edgar two point. Oh. Because he's basically a grappler, you know, so a wrestler, so he's not like Franklin everywhere, he's going to stick and move in and really use his footwork and movement, at least though. But I mean when he fights RDA, there's something I don't like about this matchup is not very telling on how he's going to do it, wilt away, because those Andres is not really a welterweight. I mean we've seen him go against other world awaiting. However. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's, it's a I mean I completely get what Kevin lease is taking this fight. And look, if you actually want to do a long run at one seventy there's a perfect introduction, right? Like max, holy should have been fighting a solid when fifty five or it shouldn't be a smaller one fifty five or if you wanted to, you know how to in run at one fifty five. Right. Say same thing with this. If he wants to stay long in one, seventy this is the way to go. But I don't think this will be super telling as far as what he can do it. We'll do generally agree with you, though. I can put person he is well, muscled. But he's not like him next to Darren till you would think that they were multiple classes important penalty. That's one that could happen even at welterweight. I mean, I'm not saying that it's inevitable and just its decrees even contemplate that. He is going to be much better student. If and when they ever, making one sixty five which is why he was such a Glavic, by the way, getting back to the I went to fight, and he'd changed some of the people in his corner for this one, I interviewed him after I also believe he has championship abilities. But it's gonna come down to remember, he's still in his twenties, so growing his skill set getting the right kind of people around him and getting some good game plans. I did not like the Atlanta game plan. I don't think in retrospect, he liked it a lot either. So it's going to be interesting to see how we handle someone like Assange, there's other fights on his car discussion is cord is taking place on ESPN plus which, by the way, I had to renew my subscription today, didn't enjoy that very much. I'm not sure how much I get out of the ESPN experience other than what is like conscripted of me for the job. I all not feel like these cars, both of these made in COMEX sorry made car at pre limits all ESPN plus this weekend. There's no buzz for this thing. I mean zero noticing this I'm noticing this. I like streaming for all the convenience and future, proofing it provides, and I'm not calling the UFC lazy. I don't feel big pushes when they do these kinds of vents, not seeing the corners back because the court has sneaky, good. And maybe in Rochester. They did all the local news, but from like where I'm sitting I don't feel any buzz for. I mean, not even a little bit whose fault is that I think it comes off the heels of the last fight. That's the problem is like we're still coming down off of Anderson's, leg nominees nominee, UNICEF falling on her head. And then all of a sudden this fight, you know, so I think that has a lot to do with it too, is like so much, building up to that. And then oh, then this, and then this is next. That's what it feels like to me because as soon as I was finished with that I had to look up the now on the next situation with heavily, and blah. It just felt like there was a lot of information all at one time, but when you do go onto their website. There's a lot of little videos here to take a look at. And I think that maybe that's what it is. It's just something very big. And then something else follows right away. And it's kind of shadowed. It's oversaturation for sure. But also like as you said, I don't see any big push. I don't see. See, you know, at least from my perspective, you know, like just watching YouTube random into videos, you I kept getting UC to thirty seven commercials like unit. Oh, interesting. I haven't seen any for this fight crazy like they're fighting in Rochester. Yeah. Upstate I didn't see like what do they do any media here in? Exactly. Our f s one, you would see the two dogs in the main event on sportscenter for ten minutes with Cari champion. I haven't seen that in five months. So Rochester is the equivalent of about four states away from the city. I understand. But like I mean you're not that far from it. Make the make the pill through the just a little I, I kind of expected as a pretty crazy sports month. That is the busiest sports month of the year. We look at the college football. Bubble in the pro football, blah, the in the air, but I mean in may two weekends ago, the Cinco de Maya one you've got Kentucky Derby biggest boxing fight of the year. NBA NHL playoffs. So he can get lost within that. The over saturation is ultimately the keys you ever been to Rochester? Yes. You ever walked onto a delicacy that they eat their called the garbage plate ever getting on the. I know what you're talking about. I've not to pay plane. That's got home fries. Chili couple beef patties of just slum. It's a slow sad existence. It should be a sad existence. But once you get in that thing, once you start swimming around in there, and this is not germane to anyone's conversations. Going to say this card in Rochester kinda mirrors. Their delicacy is Hannah towers. There's some things in there. There are some things in there. I was just kind of talking about how they are, but it's not being promoted like if it wasn't because of this job, I probably wouldn't know that I wouldn't be aware that you see Rochester's going down this weekend. If you're if you're meet, like, also this pull out the kernel a little bit. You have a responsibility to cover the news. And we will on the other hand, I think the audience understands us to a degree. It is business right? Meaning what business incentive do we have to cover this event? And I'd be dead serious. What business incentive do we have? All that Gatien. Yeah. There's zero business incentive to give this one one second of attention. It will do nothing it will do nothing for you. And so I, I don't know. It's I kind of expected more because they came out of the gate hot on ESPN and five months in. We had the lowest ratings ever for prelims on during the era for for Saturday. And now followed up with this. It's just a little weird that being said, there are some other gyms on the car Brian. I'll go to you Megan Anderson back in action after the cats in Ghana fight. She was having to take a rematch. I thought all the criticisms of her all should be I poke blah, blah, blah. Look at whatever you want to make it that rule. It ain't her fault. She did exactly what she was told she offered to do a rematch and now she's back in action. There was an article about her weight cut our former colleague, Mark Roe Monday. What does stay warm kind of fight stay stay in the case? So the actual Holly and, and. Now, my Amanda down the line. What is this fight? It is a stay warm. Stay busy fight. I think if you're making you can probably start to in the hold and say, hey, you have seen what are we doing? Here we've seen recent history when people become the champ champ. I know you love that term, by the way they get pushed in a corner and say, hey, you gotta give up one of those belts, which direction are you going? Amanda is the quote as Clarisa shield sick. We were tired, quote gaming. She's the damn goal anyway. My point here is haven't made. Amanda decide yet, if you're Anderson, you might want to be pushing that and going, hey, featherweight, check your rankings on UFC dot com or two and a half years into this still no top ten. I'm the only name anyone knows that division right now. Can I be fighting? Amanda, can I be fighting cyborg? Four vacant title. What are we doing here? It's, it's hi Felicia. It's welcome Felicia into the division. It's keep people thinking about that division. It's keep Anderson busy. It's, it's workup to what's going on. And till Amanda and Holly. I like it. It's like let's, let's get some action going. Let's get people thinking about that division again. She can't go anywhere else that if she cuts twenty pounds. We saw that article she cannot there's no division. She's gonna go. And, and she does deserve some attention. I think they wanted that to begin with these are two former victim champions that will be binding each other. It brings attention to some people that have possibilities there. So I'm all about it. This is a any fight book in the. Women's featherweight division is going to be a weird fight because you don't know where it's going to end up in like you don't know what it's gonna lead to right. We don't know if it's the number one contender about we don't know anything also, I don't know, if Amanda Nunes has any intentions of, of defending both belts semi retire after this. Retirement. This before getting booked. You know, at this point look, if she beats all your home, like what else is there for her to do? I mean, she's the go, you know, if you just look at it resume, so I think the US see this is a stay busy fight because, you know. You know, there needs to be some sort of continue it either needs to be some sort of, you know, movement in that division. But as far as what it means I don't think it means a whole lot. They're just kind of putting that fight to see how it happens. And then, you know, seeing what other how other things pan out in with a minute, in there is one of the eventually few good fights on the card. Have some in my mind, the one I'm going to point to we'll have to discuss it just want to make note of it is going to be a shoe face Antonio Carlos junior with. I'm a big believer in taking on Ian Heinisch. Meaning. This is such such a great fight. Such a great fight shoot face to me has one of the most modern jitsu especially for a big man. He's got there was this guy who used to compete more regularly into Sportages, whose name was Avraham morte, and he, I think it was once it Costa Rican. And he had what I would call Frank MIR jujitsu, which is small man very powerful jitsu for a huge person as he had a good guard at hand. Just really good. Find his way to tiny spaces and things like that shoe faces like that. But he can be powerful to. And he's learned how to adapt it to 'em may, I think he's coming into his own began Heinisch is nobody to be trifled with love that five any other fight on the card. Anybody here, there's some other gems on there that you guys like wants to go. So I worked for the so the elephant is basically considered the conveyor belt into the UFC. So a lot of these people that, that everyone's like, who I've seen before? I've watched their growth, the growth. So we got awesome Hubbard and his also on the card. And I think on Derrick Krantz is stepping in for new new. He's looking. It which is. Because that kid has twenty two fights and twenty of those are our finishes. I mean he's really tough. He's a black belt intra jitsu. So I liked Derrick Krantz Luke, as a lot more experience. This is a huge step up, especially since Krantz was supposed to go to the contender series wasn't jump onto this. He impressed Dana white, and then they gave a miss. So it's a big opportunity scary opportunity, but Derrick Krantz is the type of do that. It'll be up for it. And then Austin Hubbard is, it's just one of the worst stoppages I've ever seen in probably elephant history, or, or even fight history. The last time I saw Austin Hubbard he was beating this guy. Killys Moda, and the ref was just like on break like twenty something on answered shots looked like he was going to stop it. Stop it. And then said, nah. And then, like you gotta check this out, it's pretty crazy. But so these are up and coming stars that are getting this opportunity that I've seen really pull off some, some slick performances. So it might be this card that we learn about a bunch of new faces that will really impress us. I hope I'm probably just being. Domestic, I like the booking between Aspen, bin ajar Eubanks. That's another one a while curious. There's there's plenty of little storylines in that matchup. I'm curious to see how Eubanks looks at one thirty five because, you know, we, we've mainly at least in the US you we've seen is that the one twenty five she's failed to make that cut at least in her last bout against modify. Modify some jersey. I she looks at one thirty five and dude Aspen loud was scheduled to fly home enough. I got, you know, just reykdal just ripped out and we know the USC believes in her, she's young, and she could potentially get a big fight eighth. She puts an impressive performance against Eubanks worked out better for her this way around. Yeah. I mean you're young, you want time to develop I think Holly homes, a tough ask for for anybody in that division. So we'll see but Aspen latte has really bright future. And, you know, she needs that winter to continue that your, your body weight room guys this guy and Heinisch Jurassic back. I mean that's almost lifted in the can slick jitsu to from wrestling transitions. Like he's shown me a lot of really cool moves and stuff that he does. That's like similar to be. But he'll also find a submission in between his transitions ground and pound. I, I think he's really talented prison stories at this point ahead of all my show. We talked about. Wild any other fight wanted to highlight. How was talking about? Nick lens, Charles Oliveira. Oh, yeah. I mean that's right. That is the only thing on the garments. Garments. So the hidden the hidden jewel on the garbage plagued, by the way, is the baked beans that they slide right? Also doesn't green is making a comeback from the Rochester area. John Jones for the Rochester Aaron maybe can be an ambassador at the show. I don't think he cares. But I certainly would want to speak for him. So anyway, that's going to be on ESPN. Plus both Maine and co main sorry, main card and pre limb court. I apologize on Saturday. 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Now, let's go back to some of the news that has broken. I think this was on Monday or Tuesday that it broke. Let's talk about Frankie Edgar and that title shot that he is now going to get. So I, I would have bet my life. In fact, I had Volkan up ski I talked to him on this screen on Monday. And I was like, oh, it's going to be you. But you're going to get that title shot is gonna be you and from Chilean hospital. Yeah. No. He was he was on his way to the airport when he did it. And then that was when everything fell apart. And then, of course, I don't know that in the end that was the reason why factor for sure it's not the reason why he got passed over. But in any case, Frankie Edgar UFC two forty I believe in July in Edmonton Alberta Canada. Screw interface. Max Holloway for the UFC featherweight title. Phoenix, I will start with you on this one, Michelle. Stop call bad call recall bias. I'm not going to move on. So here's the answer state, your biopsies up front, and then they'll your possessions Frankie. Edgar, it's Frankie anger and not. And it wasn't supposed to happen. Now, maybe the timing is weird, but that fight was supposed to happen, and who's gonna complain about seeing the two of them. Go at it. Nobody's gonna complain about seeing them go at it. And let Alexsandr heal from whatever infection. He has and his day will come. It's a courtesy fight. Okay. It's a courtesy fight. But have we not given some of the veterans courtesy fights before Mike thing, right? Like that was a is it a good idea for Frankie? I believe so and again, this is me being biased because this was a company man. This is a likable fighter. This is someone always delivers. I think that if anybody deserves that exception it probably should be Frankie and it's also it's not like Alexander is not gonna fight again. It would have been a quick turnaround for him anyway. So, I think timing wise and also respect for the veteran wise, this really does work out to everyone's favor. I mean it it's, it's. This is why I like I know that I'm I'm being a little bias because, you know, I, I wanna see the next contender, get the shot, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, frankly really took that risk against Ortega. This was already supposed to happen. It's the divisions best anyway. So I'm fine. Here's the business of this. This really is really oddest. There's no get well fights in UFC. There's no get well title-fights except for this one. This is a get well title fight. I know Frankie's greatest thirty seven I love the man, but you don't want max Holloway to get thrown right back into into the into the know whatever you want to say there after going through hell there against spore you for five rounds. So you think this is like a semi tune-up? This is a semi. Tune of its glitzy Angra glamorous get well fight. And it's great and surely Frankie can win it. We all love us some Frankie. But if you're the UFC has been so many wars win or lose. He just came off a fallacious one, you do want to kind kinda give them a soft landing to come back in rather than, I know. Frank is a soft landing for anybody. I'm sorry this. Brian ortega. Yeah. Because that was definitely that happened for him. Perhaps, maybe I think you're onto something in the sense of, like you know, you're not look Frankie Eggers of very capable fighter couldn't be max Holloway. I don't know what I do know is that max Frank acres not known, like, for example, like a dozen employers have like this crazy power. He'll, he'll appoint you heal outbox you, you know, m maybe there's something to be said on the long term for the accumulation of shots that may maybe, maybe that's worse. But as far as for for a short window, you know, Frank Edgar, you know, you can make a case that you'll cost less damage than say drop buddy in that top ten. This matchup, wait until the fight we grows up because that's going to feel like a big fight. Man Franken who was involved in some big paper, mus- back in the day, and he's still a very skilled fighter. So if you're heading on the metro just waits until five week rose up, and I'm sure you're win it. Everybody's point. It's troublesome for especially like departed. Frankie fans. He's had a lot more injuries in the last recent years between his face and his groin. And like all the things that have happened to him. So it it's troublesome to see him go in with somebody like max Holloway. But I also think that we always wanted this fight. Maybe maybe it's diluted somewhat because of all the things that have happened since the Orteig a situation. But did anyone not want it to happen when it was supposed to? I mean, I think. Always on each other's trajectory, and it was five this is one of the very first time to one of the very few times that it actually works out for the UC where the number one contender, get skipped over for the most part once the number one contender, get skipped over just chaos into division. And there's a lot of things that come out of it. Not good things. I think for this specific moment, actually works out. Because look this, there's fights in July vulcano vulcanology just five he's battling an infection. I don't think the I don't think the what infection has anything to do with it. No, I don't think the station was was was made in, like, oh. Oh, he has a an infection. I was just book Edgar Holloway, the next day, but it, it, it worked out. You know, it happened and look max Holloway. Apparently from from what people are saying he wants to stay busy. So maybe, you know he can get a fight, you know, later this year. And that's not too big of a gap in between fights and, you know, Frank Jaeger that fights been booked twice men in Frank Eggers been you know, a soldier for the company companyman. Yeah. Yeah. Right. He may not have finishes at us all day. Just Robert Kraft break Henderson, Frank acres. Not rank wasn't ranked thirteenth spring. He's probably in the top five. Five or so, I again, the thing about, like, oh, well, Frankie took a risk for them against Ortega, like lots people take lots of risks for them and it never pays off. I'm not sure I buy that argument either. It could be I think it's not true. But like Hello. He also has Frankie Egger has won the most power if I would argue the most powerful manager in the game, I bet that has a lot more to do with it than like the UFC wants to do a solid for frankly. I don't I that's us. Seems like go. She ended seems like nonsense that they feed media that we're just repeats. I don't buy it from a business standpoint. I think Edgar Holloway is a bigger fight. Right. That's the. Number one. It's a bigger name which by the way, it does good things for either winner. Number two. I would actually argue that, yes. Volkov's ski has the better resume because the winner Aldo is so clear as your number one contender all the other hand, I would argue that Frankie's two thousand fifteen win over. Chad is much better than Volkov's, skis, two thousand eighteen win over Ted Mendez. And while obviously Volkov ski has been on an incredible run. I don't know. I am agreeing Vulcan resume is better as far apart as people might think to be. I wonder if anyone here disagrees luck man UC goes, okay? He's got to fight. We got a calendar where are we gonna put in who's available what's going to sell dot dot dot dot dot Bing, and they come up on this, this idea that like, well, who's got the best resume that, that matters. But all the other considerations matter as well to reform. I do agree. I nine I nine I say, yes, he his deserving of it. I don't know if that's the reason why they necessarily make it. But I think that he's his him being deserving of it is one of the reasons why we can't complain about it. And, and I do think that maybe when the Ortega fight was scheduled. It was still in conversation. Yeah. If you take this fight, he will still get you back in the mix for that title contention, even if you lose maybe that was one of the conversations that happened. And he said, all right. Well, I'm not at so much of a risk, if I fight or take these might have been the, the, the things that were behind the curtain that his manager did discuss prior to those fights and leading up into this one. It might have been like look. We'll negotiate a little bit. You save that card that could also be big possibilities there. Right. Let's say pop quiz held, as Frankie Agra thirty seven thirty seven years old. If he's going to get a title shot now right now right now. Because otherwise, I don't know what's going to happen for him. So, by the way, should be great fun. I'm not looking pendant than son or was it gets John Jones, which is a similar situation or even a I know Dan handle already own almost finished this pink twice in the end. It went on paper that was a riskier points. I think I think Frankie Edgar absolutely can win. But the thing you were discussing like it's been like a help max, he'll kind of situation, what I would say is Frankie Edgar can bring anybody. Hell if I and he might if I had to guess who brings more hell right now to max would my hunch, is that it'd be Vulcan off sqi, but I don't know that yet. So it's just I think that's what he was driving. I could be wrong about, of course. I'm speaking of somebody who gives people want to segment this out, because I don't think that there was nearly enough. Talk about it this past week Patrizio pit bull. Whoa. Just rolls through Michael Chandler like it's nothing and becomes your second ever Bella toward sham champ, but becomes it an argument? The two best divisions, one forty five and one fifty five. You look at people's resume man, Jesus. It's very good. And it got to wondering I spoke to Jose Young's, our colleague earlier this week because he covered that fight asked him is pit bull. The best built were fighter ever. He said. Yes, Brian is that true? He is he's the he's the face on the poster right now. I always used to look at it Alvarez as the patriots. The guy the one guy in the end that became Michael jailer. Right. I'm in the Dave and BUSTER commercials that became him you go in there, and you beat Michael Chandler and you have that resume argue against that. And it was here's a striking thing when they got the cage against each other. I think of Michael Chandler is a small lightweight. They get in the caged, and they start to. Read the tale of the tape Calvin giant against him. I saw this bad for, for them like allow three inch height disadvantage, three and to reach just avenge. I think it was out there and knocks them out. Was it a bad stoppage? Yes. No, no. You don't wanna go go around the track. Bad stopped. It wasn't. But with that said it was close enough to an acceptable stoppage that yeah. He's the face. He's the face on the marquee and his post fight interview. Good Lord, I notice from the Conor McGregor playbook, but it was incredible. Because he's very straight up FU Diddy, how good is he? He's super good. Look at his record, I think, promotion wise, we have a sense that, like Michael Chandler is the guy Bill tour. But if you just compare the resumes, like you know. You know pit bulls at says he's right. He loves to Packer, and he's vegetables loss as he lost the Daniel, Strauss. He eventually losses. You know, again, he's fighting somebody else said his normal weight and he was winning that until the exactly it was it was also a freak injury. And then here he comes, you know, going up way class, the face, Michael Chandler defeats, then he is by far as a belt or fighter. He's the best boat or fighter thing is win by pit bull since Michael Vick getting arrested. Jesus are you are you as a person Phoenix? Can they make him a big star like or has even held a show in Brazilian which I think would be huge for him and his brother. They can do a whole thing down there. We kind of like a lot is like youth sea stars who are just really Brazilian stars like they're not nobody's here. But you don't wanna feel their buzz, and then you see them in Brasilia like oh, right? Okay. So they're, they're these guys don't get that same shine because everything's kind of North America. European so, like what can Bill to a reasonably to pilot or can can get Josie Aldo over to them? And then make pit bull fight Aldo, and that'll make people the most popular dude ever, Brazil, or something like that. I mean, I think that's a, that's a big part of it. I think that they should work on promoting him. More has an interesting back story. You know, the whole brother situation, I think it's you could possibly make them to star. I mean, they're fun will pit bull has an idea. You have you read this, this on how he'll be a star? He wants to bucks canal Alvarez, right? Yeah. Good luck with that. One sixty. Yeah. A big one sixty. They are on the same platform getting zone. He said he doesn't want to get Michael Chandler, a rematch wants to go back down and wait. So what about Chandler versus poor? Tricky for the interim title. I'm sorry for the vacant title at one fifty five. Yeah. Remember that he's already beat them twice Danny's moustache? That last time he got knocked out that was fan. You remember. Yeah. I don't know. I think that they have to rematch, because to your point about the stoppage my, my view on this is you feel about it. It's like was it a great stoppage snow survey, not a great stoppage? Couldn't have been better, of course. But on some level, what can you reasonably expect from the referee? If your guys bellied out taking consecutive shots, I get that he instantly was like way, we'll go. I understand I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying you're doing with a live person in a dangerous situation. You have to have a reasonable expectation of what they can and can't decide it's a reasonable call giving given this Fisher. I mean. Michael Chandler was not, you know, in there fighting for a double he didn't have his arms up. This is just taking shots. You know, and at the end of the day, you know, he got dropped Chandler got dropped. You know that's just the way it is. I, I think I remember like when you write a favor fought and number out he was rocked. But then he was fighting for the double. Okay. What are you doing? What are you stopping to fight like you know, he's doing something whereas here, Michael Chandler was just faced down. I do believe that some of the punches he was out and some punches. Welcome back either is no clean. For a couple of. About the same thing. You thought when I watched it at one angle, and then when I watched it from the second angle, I was like, okay, so if you're a referee you see someone completely free, even if it's just for a couple of seconds and you don't want them to take any more unanswered damage you jump in. So maybe he jumped in a little quick, but maybe he just didn't want to wait anymore. So I think that, that whole section which was for just a couple of seconds is what made the ref say, I have to. Chancellor Chandler could have recovered and I understand. You gotta let that thing go. But here's the deal, you got to go about situational. Sometimes what did Josh Rosenthal stopped, Lessner Carwyn when Brock's getting Bronx, turtled up in the corner and getting stuff? We don't see that finish. What if Jack Reese stops? Why don't they brought Leser ever took a shot bellied out? He got his ass be. It was bleeding or would brought the funder, but he never took a shot on consecutive. Unanswered morning. Morning analysts take, we'll see it even Jack recent December fury while there you saw that in boxing. He didn't just t- bad fearing count about gave him the full ten seconds fury rises like the undertaker point is we're in round one of a championship versus champion Matt. I for sure and finder in Chandler mutation east to west and combined champion, you had Bill Shaw, and pseudo. This is nothing consideration. Referees, have to make a call with the information. They have like. It'd be the real answer is the real answer is instant replay should have some ability to sign the app this. What's that referees name, which one the guy who blew the call the first one, the guy McDonald? Oh, you knew it right out. Matra all-natural. No. Rob mattress. Okay. The fact that we had just cycle through their. Where's all the referees? We know for arguably the biggest bell tower fight in history. So my, my point is you let that thing go. You let it. He didn't tell you wasn't like he was on his back now doing anything and got straight up concussed on the ground. He's, he's trying to protect himself. If you're watching the convention center, it's fun. Fun. But in the end I, I looked at the call and I was thinking about stuff. It wasn't great. But it's understandable. I would say, yeah, I could agree with that wasn't a great call. Yeah. The reason that we're talking about it is because it wasn't a great call at this point. But nonetheless, dude, he got dropped and then he took on answered shots, what do you want this guy to do? Because this fits right in with Chandler's history of taking tough losses. Even the freak loss against Brent premise with the ankle injury and coming back and regained leads to brain damage, and that is why people are a little bit. I think he needs. I think he means fights, but that many of those, and that's your style of fighting. You know how good is the quick stoppage for ballot. Or if you can convince Patricia to do a rematch rematch Bill. Harder as the winner of this is the all time because the smaller guy only one, but he did rock him with that one shot. So you're saying yourself, even if the stoppage has been seeing what they do dillashaw, dude, you or hurt. You were straight up hurt and so you have to make a decision from there. Let's move on to back to the USC stuff because there were some other big fines that I want to talk about including, but not limited to Brian Campbell. Yeah. Let's return of Nathan de has taken on Anthony Perez at one hundred and seventy fire the hell up about damn time. So they're so fired up. Tell me the reasons why you're fired up. What is it about this fight that really the words of Marie condos forks joy? Well, sparks the as is really a apropos turn right there. But ultimately, it's getting one of the five biggest stars in the sport back into the cage after three years, and it wasn't his fault that at two thirty last year. Portia got her that fight fell apart. I didn't even see anyone attempting to try to give it another chance or another fight. So it's great to see him back in there. And right now. Whether it's welterweight or whether he decides to cut back down to lightweight one more time for a giant fight, man. Is this could this guy be a player for your pay per view sales against anyone at any time? He's in that rarefied air right now where he draws. So well, and has such a sneaky good game. He's you can put them in there against anybody at any time. I'm just so happy that he's back matchmaking wise. It seems like a win win. They can't lose seventy. Yeah. I love it. I love it at one seventy. I love just seeing Anthony Pettis just being successful. Now, especially after what we saw what happened wonderboy, and that was that made me excited about Pakistan, and then he doesn't like the as and like I was surprised Pettus net, never behaves, like this never really has negative things to say it's rare. So this is interesting to me, it's like how does fed is perform when he really just doesn't like someone like he wants to beat him up this, we might see him be very aggressive, and with all the new skills that he has all the new developments that he's gone through Duke changing his style. Again, feeling like the old Anthony paths. So there's a there's a good story here, and who doesn't wanna see, like we talked about nastiest. We will see the Diaz brothers for years. They're still in the conversation all the time. So there's something about them. That's just has this allure and then have Pettus not like him. I'm not a trash talk person. But when there's legit rivalry, I, always, I find that interesting, I actually don't, I'm going to be a party. I actually don't like it at one seventy I'm all about dehydration. I'm skating, but no actually don't like it at one, seventy. Because if you look at all the fights that you could possibly link Nate Diaz to there at one fifty five so having a win that weight class having a comeback in that way class actually means more than it than it does want to seventy now again, he's fighting somebody, I used to fight one fifty five, so there's that connection there. And he can always drop down for sure. But, like, for example, when cowboy dropped down for one seventy you didn't really consider his one seventy wins as part of the run at one fifty five you know what I'm saying? So I like this fight from staus point. I think it's a fantastic match up. I'm looking forward to it. I'm glad to see the Nate DSS back. I think this is a perfect match making day. But I think one fifty five that's not. Hundred normal considerations. I think Danny would be right under this one. I'm also like look this kind of like the what is it? The cage Ainu and Sam stout situation, where they're like we're gonna fight list stood away was above a little healthier. I'm also all about real though. Connor was not the same Connor against after two years, regardless of whether you thought he was ever gonna have a chance in that fight or not niche three years away from the game. I think is perfectly upset by the fact that what other fraternity Pettus is a real welterweight. I saw him get his ass kicked against Stephen Thompson, until he pulled a Derek Lewis Volk enough, you know, CNN punch out of nowhere. So this, there's questions on both sides. There are two giant names for what, how does that relate to one seventy like what the point is the weight doesn't matter. It's about getting Nate active again. And it's about setting up Nate for the big show is going to begin after they fight or title making here. I think I think obviously nonetheless, this is a great match up. We got an gets back. That's the most important thing getting back in the bus. See what has denied this. I know it is true that, that, that they offered Nate a title fight against. Tyron woodley. It's just a tyrant date, one more money than they were willing to offer. I am. I know that as that is true. So this idea, like he like, here's what I what you wanted to think about. I think under normal considerations. I absolutely agree with D as so different everyone else. Let's just imagine a scenario where in August seventeenth lead. The fight is in Anaheim, California. Nate knocks him out in the first round. Okay. So now natives back the question you have to ask yourself is okay, but what's next? He's just gonna take another contender and acute no he's not. He is gonna take a handful of fights Connor a title shot at one, seventy a title shot, if it's not Connor at one fifty five, and that's probably it, this is merely a reconnection to actively, it's not some like, well, now he's the one seventy eight to think of other one seventy matchups. I don't buy at all. He's an attraction treat them like an attraction, he wants to be treated as such. So my point is under any. Other fighter virtually once you're in that space. You gotta think about all the other matchups for Nate. He's going to say either. It's a title shot here, a title, shot there or a big money, five year. I'm out. Here's my CBD came out today, that Nate one at RDA that he reached out to the of see about that. And that's just what that was. In fact, here's what's funny about this fight with pets because we had on the show on Monday. The USC didn't put this together mates. People reached out to Anthony's, people was like you want that smoke in air, like we think we want that slow and then they took it to the UFC to make. Here's the funny part about Nate Diaz at this point. And I've said this before, like the relationship with the DS brothers in the UFC has. Totally broken. Totally broken these guys are making their own fights. And I'm not opposed to promotion, bro, whenever it gets them in there. You know what I mean? Whatever gets them in there. But I find that kind of interesting that they were just like working outside of the matchmaker model to make this kind of E s you, if you want that smoke you should probably ask him to clarify take it. No. I would just take it actually that would not be concerned about what kind of smoke that might be. He is health conscious, Brian Campbell. He has health conscious equality in any event, so that's going to be in August in Anaheim. But I believe that, like if you just begin to think about what the world after is it's going to be you could go on and their long hiatus that could be his last fight to be honest with you. If the UC plays games with him. Show up. I think he's gonna show up. I think he wants I my understanding this talking to some folks around him. He wants another big shot at glory. I think and now here's the thing. Let's say he beats Titus was he gets a title shot or whatever some something that, scratches, the and that doesn't go, well, that probably is the end of ninety s I would suspect. I don't think he thinks he can get. I don't think he has it in him to fight with the UFC Ford anymore. So this is one last push. I think so enjoy a lot last dogs. How good is the we didn't Singapore what he ever cash down? I don't do. They do we didn't Singapore. No, no. I don't think that they do find the one. I investigate that right away real quick start about Ferguson cowboy but it's kind of a talked about ready to just pass it over. It's a great fighter. Love it happened to see Tony Ferguson back. I want to get to some of the leftovers from the two big events over the weekend. So of course, UFC two thirty-seven, four to twenty one and we'll start with the Biltmore side. Phoenix was this finally the moment that everyone realized Douglas Lima is the bees. Jeez. I think so. I think it gave him a lot of attention. I also thought that a lot of his post fight press stuff was great, too. And I think that we've talked about Michael venom page so much just even not necessarily just in MMA media. But martial arts media his conversation has been had a over and over and over again, as far techniques and things like that. So sometimes when you beat a popular guy, people say will who is that guy and I think that's what happened here. So not just hardcore ballots, or fans. I mean, I think I, I posted the fight, and then I got a bunch of tweets backed me like, damn, I need to start watching Bella tour. So I don't even think it was just good for Lima think it was good for bell of more as a whole. That is about time. People are waking up and seeing this. I mean, the guy who's is always is everything you want any of the great tan. And he was extra that night like he might be the best welterweight in the world. And it's not crazy to say that I know he went five rounds of hell with Rory in economic better. Still. To have the right demeanor. He's a he's sort of calm in, like a silent killer in some way, not over emotional. You know, it's funny most time when these guys said, I've like stopped line, but when he was, like, look, the money is great. And I spoke to him this week as well about, he's like the money is great. What that title, there's a certain validation competitively that he has not had because he did lose Daska Renee did lose to McDonald. I'll be, you know, ask me if I was close, but the McDonald's, I was pretty competitive, and he's gotten way better since then he's looking for something when he's as a martial artist that he hasn't gotten yet. He stays mostly injury-free. He took no damage in this one, and Danny, I think he's I I really think he's better than he was a year or two ago. I absolutely believe that. I think so too. Yeah. And for example, if you look at the person that took the title from him, right McDonald. I mean I don't wanna say he's a downfall, but like you know, with his post by communists space. He's definitely in a weird space. So, you know, this just put Salima you know, I think he might be I think he has to be probably the favorite in that tournament. Especially how he lived against MVP. So I think as far as the hardcore we already knew how legit he was. We've seen the highlight reel. That guy's really he's been really skilled for a long time. But I think the casualties are starting to realize because MVP he's made it made a big name for himself. You know, that was a big win for him as far as visibility. I think he was hoping to get that by beating ROY look, I'm legit. I just be one of the best world awaits but he wasn't. He wasn't able to quite get that came close, but not really. So now he has a little bit more visibility and you know he's gonna continue on this tournament. See this. We just sort of pondered put it out. There is pit bull. The greatest fighter belt or history. Now with that win, but his really Doug Leanne, but the best fighter in beltway right now at the second terms of just overall building. Of you could take one or fighter and put them in the top ten in that specific division, who would have the best chance of fitting in right away. I think it's got to be Lima it would certainly competitive. It's certainly I have profound respect for the abilities of a dose limit. I'm glad they're willing to starting to, to, to recognize as much some of the other odds, and ends from UC to thirty seven is the NAMI UNICEF factor, here, by the way, real quickly for you dogs share in the video of when the high crops comes from just gone on drudge Arab before she turns her, she readjusts her grip. Oh, she tapped just more like she's tapping? I'm like to what there's no submission there. There's no there there. I don't think it was that like you're saying she had a deep grunt. We tried to say she tapped, but it was a tap motion. So she did she just didn't tap to a submission. There's no submission didn't tap to exhaustion. She didn't tap the strikes, which you have tapped to lifting a person up in the air. Like it's the most nonsense. It's like a theory by definition. What the thing that makes the theory what it is? How did how you how you have a theory versus hypothesis? Is it asked to explain something, you're not explaining anything because there's nothing to explain terms of submission it? Okay. Anyway, that aside, there's a nominee UNICEF factor here. Big big and no one's really talking about it. She got out there in her. What does she twenty six six say? I might I might be done with this. I interviewed her last Sunday. And that was a bit of a challenge, because apparently she was having, you know, she was having some competitive challenges emotionally before heading down to Brazil we have to work out a bunch of different times, and we made it happen. And she looked great early. But to you on this one Phoenix. We've seen the end of rose number Yunus, maybe for two years. So when you talking about, like what happens to your body when you're fighting on a regular basis, and especially if like you're a female, and you're as Lena, she is her hormone levels of cortisol levels are just doing this all the time. So she didn't might have just a point of mental and physical fatigue. That makes you lose your drive and passion to go to the gym. I mean we see it in terms of sports science with overtraining, and that can leave you mentally exhausted as well. So even though she had a large break before this, it depends on like how much training that she's doing? And she might feel that from age eighteen to elect, now, this is the only frigging thing that she's done. And she may be just emotionally exhausted. If she took a year to kind of settle back and try the things that she wants maybe she gets hungry for it again. I mean it might be happening to her earlier in the game. But she's been doing martial arts for so many years at a high level and competing for so many years. It might just be a level of like my body and soul and mind needs to regroup. Because if you're training all I remember training, six days a week. And then when I stopped because of a neck injury, I had all this free time I could call friends I could go shopping. I could sleep late on weekends. It was like, I, I had life yet. And I really and then after three months, I gave back in the gym, I, I need to train with that six days a week, every single day you really feel like just a machine over and over again. And there's a lot of joy in it. But there's a lot of Teague in it too. So when she was talking, I was like I can understand that when you feel, especially, like a girl, I don't know. She felt feels this way but I felt like oh my God. I look like I've in sweatpants every day t-shirt Heron about it was going to break dance like every five minutes. I couldn't wait to put on a dress and heels and feel like a girl lip loss and makeup. And like I couldn't wait to just not feel like like that adrenalin direction in my body and soul all the time. So it she could be at that. Point. And especially as a champion the pressure. I mean, that Ronda Rousey interview with mega Levy, which she was talking about how wrestling is so much easier than MMA seeing. It was the mental side of it, right. He said the physicality of wrestling is easier than the mental strain of Elvis, George saint-pierre. We forget about it when he after it'd be Hendricks, and he had that long concussed talk at the press conference. He mentioned, the, the mental fatigue in the enzyme that comes on, and between fights, look. It's an it's an unnatural thing to be a fighter and to prepare for war constantly and being a different head space all the time in Feroze. She's also married to one of her trainers. It's got to be a twenty four seven herbs. Sorry engage. Well, full-time thing going on. And I like that this message is sort of coming out through rose. It's easier for fence to understand it. And here's the thing, I've so much respect for rose. Right. She we know about her mental health battles in the past about her father's conditions and situations in how she sort of found her her center in our core of mental strength. And that was the head of the Jonah fights, and he saw the way she fought. But at the same time she said, in the build up to this fight crying, every day in the gym became a regular thing. It's not normal to do this think of fighting, we think of caveman with twos. And we think of these early, you have guys go. Well, if they weren't finding me on the street, vital anyway phase. Weekly does to your hormone levels or cortisol, your testosterone, estrogen like the wave of things that happens to you when you're Drennan has to meet so high all the time. But also. Yeah. People come champion, and they love the celebrity, I don't, I don't get the she loves the celebrity, and I think we need to be softer and understanding on Ronda Rousey. And I think it'd be we all became quick and easy to, to insult our for the way she dealt with loss. But look to wire yourself up for this in to build up this false invincibility and then have taken from you. It's a crazy mental game this game. And it's something to me that is just foreign and I and I don't understand it. But anybody who shows you whether it's Rory whether it's anybody who's like I may not be wired for this anymore right now. Maybe I need a couple of years off, or maybe I just need a new profession. I think we're finally, at least able to talk about how you can help me with this because I don't follow any other sports besides, but, like, I know I know I respect all athletes and stuff. But like when I watch football, it's like a math Matic, quadrajet equation for me. I don't understand what hap-. It's guys running on a giant ruler and they fall in each other. That's what football because like to me, but what I will tell you about other sports is they're seasons. So your body gears up and then it drops down. I'm gonna gears up again. And then it drops down. So your hormone levels of cortisol training, but fighting in the gym you're fighting you're training. You're fighting your training. And then if you're not in fight camp, you're still training. We're still fighting so sparring. Get some who often and who you'll see who have to keep weight on, and that could be its own kind of show, but you don't see the weight depletion hardly ever, and also most NFL players. This is the reality. You get sixteen weeks a year where you gotta do something that's it. You get sixteen of them. Most don't go to the playoffs the ones who do get eliminated pretty quickly. You know, in the end zone two teams that go to the Super Bowl after that you've got all that free time to try to keep the shape. But not is that the same the same and also they are very well compensated financially. I also think that makes a medium, not that rose is like money hungry. But I wonder if athletes were better pain, if you'd see a lot of this mental strain. I wonder if there's some kind of. You make the case that if they got paid more, they'd probably be fighting lesser, they'd get a big paycheck piece. You know, I'm out for years. But, but I think with the rose like she's always been like an outcast in may like in the sense of like whenever somebody who wins the title, UC, Kamara who's mind. You know, every single picture with the Bill, you see Henry's Ehud are reminding everybody in the comments. He's got a belt. You see, you know, Conor McGregor. Everybody was, was sort of flaunting, you know, that the fact that they're champions in, and they really enjoy that which is totally fine. You see rose when she gets the bell the first thing she says, like you, I don't care about this just being a good person. You know, she doesn't really post much on social media. I think she enjoys being a martial artist, but she doesn't necessarily enjoy all that much being UFC fighter I think she can scratch the itch of being a martial artist, you know, through being a UC fighter but not entirely, and there's some things some negative things that she doesn't like about it. So I think she's at a point right now where like she's like, I think eventually the martial artists in her. We'll we'll we'll be like look. We, we need to fight, we need to get back in there. But I don't think she has aspirated of, like, you know. Fame and I want to hold records. I think she's just it because she loves it and, you know, uncertain terms and if she if she's getting to a point where like you, I don't really like this anymore, then, you know, she's more than willing to walk away from its crown so heavy, so I think we can respect it more coming from her. When DSP said it was sort of, like, what are you doing, dude? Just get back in the cage, I'm like that, where at least able to look a little bit closer with the message come into her, and I interviewed GSP throughout the end of that run he was testing interviews, to man, he was you could tell he and had it, you know, it interesting, it's semi related, but it's been on my mind. Little bit actually read a study recently of American college students, and this, this number to my breath away. Eighty percent of American college students either freshman and sophomore eighty eight zero said that they believed there, it was more important that the that they believe there was more important for their parents that they got into a good college versus we're kind in that crazy. And we live in this. Ration- of show and status and accumulation and to me roses that twenty percent I think who would just rather be kind than these other things. Now I could be wrong about that. And I'm sure she does have some competitive ambitions, that remain seems to be why she's wrestling with them, but we live in a certain era. I, I really believe where the youth get pushed in this direction, and I don't think I don't think she wants it or is necessarily built for it. And that might be a good thing. He says such a crazy unique career when you look at loss record demined like she was fighting for a time when she was five and three and you're like this is the second I fight with you, Ana and it's crazy that this is happening right after a first-round against Jessica, where she showed you. She might be the best in the world. Like I was listening. She like this might be the best female fight on the entire number here. You've how good she looked. I was low mazed, but then just because just got upset with this lamp, and it shouldn't have you watch the Monday morning. Analysts understand better. What was utterly legitimate? Okay with that out of the way we have come to the end of the road here. So it is time for our last segment here on the show under the radar a story that and it's been a million of them this week kind of pass by didn't even get to it, but worth maybe a very brief mention start there before line with what we're talking about about rose about the comments from Rory Tom Duke and wants his retirement. Crazy fire Cain who had a career fortunate that was more like fire fest, right? Like. Here's my point, KOMO are you Ryan Campbell. I loved this guy when he launched because you, it's rare that you get this, you know, model slash fighter. From another country speaks another language. The marketing potential has early wins were great, but to walk away in twenty five twenty six and be like there's other work, I could be doing and I think that'll satisfy me more. I think it falls in line with these conversations we're having it specifically about Rory when you start to have that doubt that I'm not that same person. Again, I don't have that same violent finisher streak in me to do this, the right way, you have to get the heck out because the worst thing, where we can do is, is keep fighting when he has doubt and then becoming fodder and get knocked out because of that. So anytime someone's doing this even a couple years to recharge, I could not be more in favor of it was under the renter. Well, we kind of loosely talked about it was Neil Magny getting popped getting ahead of it, actually and saying, like these are the supplements. I take hope they find that it wasn't me. I'm not a cheater. I really liked that. He was open about speaking about. Like right away. And then my second thing was the retirement note. Josh Berkman recently were hired on elephant. I got the flu. He's like a lovely person. And I think that as far as martial artists go, he's. Interesting names like hero in atlas or someplace atlas and I forget the other the other name. But it's basically off of a really cool book. Yeah he had a great career. Surprisingly, I think if I'm not mistaken, the only person submit Jon Fitch. Did play horse Behar's, right? Yeah. Okay. But he he's he's he gave it to him yet. Did he was under the radar hashtag, and may retirements your favorites in thing a comeback? He wants to come back when the UCLA turns to Sacramento, I think, in July thirteenth e said either thirty five or one forty five and, and he seems you know pretty pretty into into that combat. You know, I believe he's forty years old now. I just want to throw this out there. Look, if he comes back to a head and Barau about why. He's gonna come back and fight somebody. I think that's I liked it. I liked it if a comeback but not against food, you like the face anybody. But Hannah morale. I think that'd be like the legends division at. Daily saying Brown right now might be more wash than favor sitting out. So that's why it would be the picture of the Instagram where he made that announcement it's ham, and I don't know if it's his wife or girlfriend, but his part, and then they're baby cues baby in the world, not name mine, but great looking baby. But you see the baby's head of hair was like yours Phoenix House. Is that a real hair? They put a wing. Have you seen it go look at your ride Famer special? Especially needed that baby has the most focus on the on the babies. I did because I just had where golden the baby's head of hair either. They put a with that baby or that may be has an unbelievable. Head of hair. I mean favors forty and he's had, you know, amazing. Yeah. The whole. Yeah, he does exactly something like this baby has record hair. All right. Pretty last night, at least for under the radar was the radar but Anthony Johnson getting arrested for domestic violence. I'm not here to weigh in on whether there is any truth value to. He has vehemently denied to his attorney that there's anything to this. And if you read the report is, there might actually be some reason to believe that there's some nuance to the story. I don't know what wait and see. I think no judgment about Anthony Johnson other than to say that, however, the thing I did want to mention was caught. His attorney comes out and says, listen, vanity Johnson hits, you your grand kids will feel it fighters. Please get better attorneys. What are they doing getting attorneys? That say if, if they really wanted to hurt you, Ed be so bad, particularly. When Johnson has had previous run ins to this kind of an effect. It's like what why does every fighter have lentil huts attorney at law? Every case every case you went comes with the free pizza. Oops, there's no pizza inside attorney. I don't understand this employees. Get better attorneys, please, please, especially for actually innocent. It'd be to your benefit, all right, there we go. That's at guys we would normally to after the beep, but we got stuff to do, so we are not going to do that today. I believe we're back next week. I don't even know anymore. I really keep up because I don't sleep very often. But in any event, we appreciate you guys watching as always liked the video. Subscribe to elevate fighting. We have barreling down towards nine hundred thousand subscribers on this channel. We are inching ever so closer so we. Always appreciate all your subscriptions. Brendan chop comedy special Saturday night. Showtime, yes, yes. In fact, I talked to my radio it, let's be kind of fun. All right. So we are done here for Bryant four Phoenix four Danny. I am Luke Hans option. Download them fly. This is the end the maybe.

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The MMA Beat: Episode 227 (Diaz vs. Pettis, Frankie Edgars Title Shot, UFC Rochester Preview, More)

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The MMA Beat: Episode 227 (Diaz vs. Pettis, Frankie Edgars Title Shot, UFC Rochester Preview, More)

"You're listening to the vox media podcast network. It's Thursday may sixteenth two thousand nineteen and this is the Pete. Welcome. Everyone is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program. I am from fighting as well Sirius XM, and I'm joined by probably my favorite kind of panel that a little bit of column a little bit of column. Be so nice mix to my left. It is Denny's girl, from FEMA fighting dot com to his left is being volley from the infighting shape podcast access TV UFC unfiltered, a whole bunch of places, and at the very end you know that dunk as Brian Campbell in his like reverse Seersucker suit, complete with barbecue sauce, Dane. Right. Maybe. He's from CBS as well as you are you from f s one. No, but I hope to show on FOX one called face to face. Check it out. Check your local listing day. It was. All right. Pretty good. I'll take. All right, for Luca. Yes. Good. So we got a lot to get you. I'm sorry, that we started late somebody else on the trip up this morning from Washington DC and someone got hit by a train outside of Baltimore. So we just have to sit out there for like an hour, hour and a half. So I'm sorry. But we are here there will be no after the beat unfortunately, but we appreciate anyone who sends any questions or comments using the hashtag the enemy beat. Please keeps in and then we'll pick that up next week. We just don't have any time today. Sorry about that. Okay. Let's start the show though. Danny shall we look at you a little well rested? Yes. That didn't stashed any hits. When it's manicures there's something to that. I, I agree, hamster very Miami. I like all right. Let's talk about it. This is usually thirty been talked about today. We will get to some of the leftovers a little bit later but Hello everybody there isn't fight this week. Yes, yes, I know that there's no bus for it. But in fact, is true. There is a UFC event this weekend. You'll see find that I think it's one fifty two. You have see Rochester. It's taking place at the venue, named after a pharmaceutical company, which has always kind of fun are an insurance provider in any event at the top of the car is a welterweight contest between two former one case champion under the one eight title contender the weight class down. Both have now moved up. One has had some success, and how failed it was on just your other one is making his maiden. Voyage to this weight class when you think about this fight, what is the most important element to understanding it. Well, I think this is this is circumstances. Just obligating fighters to move up. These two guys are clearly wait, too big for lightweight. But as. We've seen at least with those on us, we're gonna see how you know, Li fills up, but at least for designers, he's still bit small for welterweight, so, you know, they, they've talked about possibly not even coming one seventy but coming coming in at one sixty five just to make a statement. But this is what's, what happens, you know, there there needs to be awake class there, because there isn't guys like a rough design just guys like Kevin Lee are going to be forced to move up to welterweight in and compete. This doesn't really feel like a world away about to me. Almost feels like a lightweight about same thing with a few others that I'm sure we'll get to later on the show. But yeah, this is just circumstances. You know, pushing these guys up on also speaks volumes stood the mess going at one fifty five that people would just rather fight a week last open in be involved in the Linux fifty five with all them tricks, talking about Luke, Phoenix. What do you think about this? But what's the biggest story? I think the biggest story really is possibly the idea of the weight, and also taking a look at Kevin Lee at this weight. And saying was that part of the problem in. The past because if we see him against somebody like RDA, and if he is going to use his wrestling, and we'd seen that experience with RDA before him having trouble there then we can take a look at that, and we can really Judge Kevin Lee, a little bit better. And we can have a little bit more of a say on who he is. And how he fights because I remember in the beginning before the fights with Aliquippa we would say, oh, my God. Look at him he's, he's going to be a big star. And then you kind of like kind of filtered off a little bit. So I think it it'll really kind of let us know where he is. And where he's going to be in the division. This is the perfect crossroads fight. Not just because they have to careers that could be going in other directions. But because RDA set the blueprint that leaves basically following which is reinvent yourself at a weight higher. That's close to your natural weight are really great lightweight won the title almost killed himself. Trying to make way the times we've seen Kevin lease problems. This will tell us right now. What we haven't Kevin Lee that the love about the welterweight division right now. It's completely reloaded didn't really have a huge identity less for years with Woodley, top wasn't that deep this thing suddenly hot fire in the? Idea of inserting Kevin lead to it, who screams future champion every time. He's in the cage had some misfortune. That's and bad luck had some great fights. You just lost. He might be able to tell us this Saturday if he's going to be able to get line for a title and he's gonna have a much shorter path to get there. Even with the big names because of the giant mess of fifty two. Right. Back to you. He had made the claim Kevin Lee. In fact, this week, I forget, which media outlets so please forgive me, because I've forgotten where I saw it, but he said that now one seventy is more stack than when fifty five century were false. Now is the entre. He's saying it to promote this kiss this grand debut. He's having, but I will say this, there has been some kind of matriculation you had max hell ago that didn't work. So now you've got these other guys to figure out what's going to happen. ADS coming back. That's kinda crazy, but that's gonna be at one seventy against Anthony Perez who also went up when you add those two. But let's not forget that lightweight is historically deep the last few years. And it's a complete train wreck with the idea of, is Connor going to defend his titles. You're gonna come back and now veep suspended and Tony Ferguson. Can't get title fight in all the other madness going on. But it's really deep. It gets me fired back up. I mean you gotta ask it in there. You gotta reinvent Lawler. You've got Mazda. They got a lot going on there. Fun argument, hipster argument better, hipster moved, and Danny with that than mustache. But one fifty five is all killer. No filler. Let's be honest. I like them both though if you really look at it, and I like the mix ups because people are moving around, because it sets up more matches and more possibilities, it sets up that like kind of dream. I want this guy against that type guy type of thing I like the idea. I mean I do like once sixty five I still wish that was option. But, but I do like people moving around, and I'm always thinking about the safety and the health of the fighter. So it's like great move around. Give yourself more competition. So I don't wanna say one fifty five is better or more stack than one seventy I wanna say. This mix up opportunities. It makes it more fun for me to see matches up matches that I might not have seen in the past. I, I would say will it's agree division. Don't get me wrong, but it's a bit of a smoke and mirrors because a lot of the players that are making that division great right now. Our, our lightweights, or former lightweights and look, I wouldn't be surprised he hasn't closed the door one hundred percent on my weight, Nate Diaz, I wouldn't be surprised if he's done if he makes the cut for for a specific fight, maybe the Conor McGregor fight, you know, Kevin Li I don't think he sees close the door. I think at this point RDA's pretty much welterweight, but any of those guys can drop back down to one fifty five where, you know, the real big fights are at I think one fifty five is still though the division the biggest division the most activation. But nonetheless at this point in time. Yeah, we'll do is looking pretty good. So here's what I would say the question at hand or at least the claim that kenley posed. It might be more competitive. Now, you actually Mike it a welterweight. That's pretty commensurate with lightweight, but only because lightweight is so crazy at the top. And then so crazy stacked all the way through people are just trying to find opportunity where they think that, you know, so maybe he's right. That there's been a bit of a shift, but I think it's only because that real and molten core is one fifty five, nevertheless, when I think about the other story of this fight Phoenix to me, it is reinvention now RDA hit a roadblock against Comoros, man. But it turns out that guys the best welterweight going right now. So not that big of a deal in some cases, depending on value in it. Now Kevin Lee is looking for reinvention as we have seen over and over and over again. One of the best ways to just jump. Start your career is find a new way class and all kinds of amazing things can happen. Kevin Lee believes if he wins on Saturday. He's going to be in that title mix. Is that a is that a fair? Assessment on his part. I believe. So, like I said earlier, it was really believed in him when he first got the UFC's attention. So now to be healthier, really, if you ever caught weight in your life. You've ever caught wait for a competition that whole week if it's really killing you, you're completely cloudy. And then if you get to await and you feel like I don't have to cut as much and I feel healthy, you're almost a different person. And then the possibilities of your reinvention your creativity. Michael key said it I'm not fighting for my life in there. I'm able to think I'm able to be clear. So that reinvention also comes with the fact that you feel reinvigorated, as an athlete if you don't have success, and then you want of jumping back. I mean, that's something that you have to figure out what your weight nutrition, but we can tell such a better narrative, when we have a fighter that's one hundred percent, mentally and physically there. I can't believe could go on Robert Whitaker, type run here by moving up in weight and complete everybody believes Kevin everything was star champion to me. Everything I know we've, we've flooding explaining what happened against Alec went. Tough match at weight class that he just barely makes I think Phoenix nail it. Look props from your gas tank. It robs from your ability to explode robs from your power robs from your mental stability and focus and I'm not taking anything away from Al. I think that certain fighters have each other's number. You can be great and, but yet, still like look at Frank Edgar and Josie Aldo, the he always had a hard time with him. I just think that there's certain people that have your number. Oh. Impossibility to but lightweight is a violent meat grinder. It's a hamster wheel. Because even if you win and stay relevant against the guys in the middle of the pack, they're taking a lot of you each time, and it's hard to get in line as we established for that title always lead weight, so deep that it's giving you the fields of light heavyweight at the end of the last decade. Yes. Very much. Golden division again. There are some problems at the top right now as real noble, assuming that that gets relatively resolved. It's pretty clearly your marquee division. It's always fun. I think to that point, I think one of the things that we're looking at it to be that division, kind of like reminds of, of the golden days of the light heavyweight division, is that at least in the light heavyweight division. It felt like matchups were rolling out and people were fighting each other constantly lightweight. It just seems a bit of a stalemate right now. We'll see we don't want to be vice. Dust employer how that rolls out. But yeah, it is one of the top of visions, I, I would like to talk to Kevin Kevin leap point. Like, yes, he you know he had a hiccup against Quinta. Quinta. Yes. I those points are valid, like maybe the way they kill them. But if you don't know if you've ever met him in person. He's, he's not a very tall guy. I really don't think he has frame suits to be to be the best. He can be at welterweight. I sixty five is probably the week lesson. That's what he's been. So, you know, a compliant he's been so advocate about that week wasn't wanting to make that he's got no other options. So he's gonna fight with her. I'm sure you can find success and he can be a very good fighter. What way? But the best of Kevin Lee, we probably see them at one fifty five or one sixty unless you can sort of rely on his wrestling J in the speed of it, and kind of Frankie Edgar two point. Oh. Because he's basically a grappler, you know, so a wrestler, so he's not like Franklin everywhere, he's going to stick and move in and really use his footwork and movement, at least though. But I mean when he fights RDA, there's something I don't like about this matchup is not very telling on how he's going to do it, wilt away, because those Andres is not really a welterweight. I mean we've seen him go against other world awaiting. However. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's, it's a I mean I completely get what Kevin lease is taking this fight. And look, if you actually want to do a long run at one seventy there's a perfect introduction, right? Like max, holy should have been fighting a solid when fifty five or it shouldn't be a smaller one fifty five or if you wanted to, you know how to in run at one fifty five. Right. Say same thing with this. If he wants to stay long in one, seventy this is the way to go. But I don't think this will be super telling as far as what he can do it. We'll do generally agree with you, though. I can put person he is well, muscled. But he's not like him next to Darren till you would think that they were multiple classes important penalty. That's one that could happen even at welterweight. I mean, I'm not saying that it's inevitable and just its decrees even contemplate that. He is going to be much better student. If and when they ever, making one sixty five which is why he was such a Glavic, by the way, getting back to the I went to fight, and he'd changed some of the people in his corner for this one, I interviewed him after I also believe he has championship abilities. But it's gonna come down to remember, he's still in his twenties, so growing his skill set getting the right kind of people around him and getting some good game plans. I did not like the Atlanta game plan. I don't think in retrospect, he liked it a lot either. So it's going to be interesting to see how we handle someone like Assange, there's other fights on his car discussion is cord is taking place on ESPN plus which, by the way, I had to renew my subscription today, didn't enjoy that very much. I'm not sure how much I get out of the ESPN experience other than what is like conscripted of me for the job. I all not feel like these cars, both of these made in COMEX sorry made car at pre limits all ESPN plus this weekend. There's no buzz for this thing. I mean zero noticing this I'm noticing this. I like streaming for all the convenience and future, proofing it provides, and I'm not calling the UFC lazy. I don't feel big pushes when they do these kinds of vents, not seeing the corners back because the court has sneaky, good. And maybe in Rochester. They did all the local news, but from like where I'm sitting I don't feel any buzz for. I mean, not even a little bit whose fault is that I think it comes off the heels of the last fight. That's the problem is like we're still coming down off of Anderson's, leg nominees nominee, UNICEF falling on her head. And then all of a sudden this fight, you know, so I think that has a lot to do with it too, is like so much, building up to that. And then oh, then this, and then this is next. That's what it feels like to me because as soon as I was finished with that I had to look up the now on the next situation with heavily, and blah. It just felt like there was a lot of information all at one time, but when you do go onto their website. There's a lot of little videos here to take a look at. And I think that maybe that's what it is. It's just something very big. And then something else follows right away. And it's kind of shadowed. It's oversaturation for sure. But also like as you said, I don't see any big push. I don't see. See, you know, at least from my perspective, you know, like just watching YouTube random into videos, you I kept getting UC to thirty seven commercials like unit. Oh, interesting. I haven't seen any for this fight crazy like they're fighting in Rochester. Yeah. Upstate I didn't see like what do they do any media here in? Exactly. Our f s one, you would see the two dogs in the main event on sportscenter for ten minutes with Cari champion. I haven't seen that in five months. So Rochester is the equivalent of about four states away from the city. I understand. But like I mean you're not that far from it. Make the make the pill through the just a little I, I kind of expected as a pretty crazy sports month. That is the busiest sports month of the year. We look at the college football. Bubble in the pro football, blah, the in the air, but I mean in may two weekends ago, the Cinco de Maya one you've got Kentucky Derby biggest boxing fight of the year. NBA NHL playoffs. So he can get lost within that. The over saturation is ultimately the keys you ever been to Rochester? Yes. You ever walked onto a delicacy that they eat their called the garbage plate ever getting on the. I know what you're talking about. I've not to pay plane. That's got home fries. Chili couple beef patties of just slum. It's a slow sad existence. It should be a sad existence. But once you get in that thing, once you start swimming around in there, and this is not germane to anyone's conversations. Going to say this card in Rochester kinda mirrors. Their delicacy is Hannah towers. There's some things in there. There are some things in there. I was just kind of talking about how they are, but it's not being promoted like if it wasn't because of this job, I probably wouldn't know that I wouldn't be aware that you see Rochester's going down this weekend. If you're if you're meet, like, also this pull out the kernel a little bit. You have a responsibility to cover the news. And we will on the other hand, I think the audience understands us to a degree. It is business right? Meaning what business incentive do we have to cover this event? And I'd be dead serious. What business incentive do we have? All that Gatien. Yeah. There's zero business incentive to give this one one second of attention. It will do nothing it will do nothing for you. And so I, I don't know. It's I kind of expected more because they came out of the gate hot on ESPN and five months in. We had the lowest ratings ever for prelims on during the era for for Saturday. And now followed up with this. It's just a little weird that being said, there are some other gyms on the car Brian. I'll go to you Megan Anderson back in action after the cats in Ghana fight. She was having to take a rematch. I thought all the criticisms of her all should be I poke blah, blah, blah. Look at whatever you want to make it that rule. It ain't her fault. She did exactly what she was told she offered to do a rematch and now she's back in action. There was an article about her weight cut our former colleague, Mark Roe Monday. What does stay warm kind of fight stay stay in the case? So the actual Holly and, and. Now, my Amanda down the line. What is this fight? It is a stay warm. Stay busy fight. I think if you're making you can probably start to in the hold and say, hey, you have seen what are we doing? Here we've seen recent history when people become the champ champ. I know you love that term, by the way they get pushed in a corner and say, hey, you gotta give up one of those belts, which direction are you going? Amanda is the quote as Clarisa shield sick. We were tired, quote gaming. She's the damn goal anyway. My point here is haven't made. Amanda decide yet, if you're Anderson, you might want to be pushing that and going, hey, featherweight, check your rankings on UFC dot com or two and a half years into this still no top ten. I'm the only name anyone knows that division right now. Can I be fighting? Amanda, can I be fighting cyborg? Four vacant title. What are we doing here? It's, it's hi Felicia. It's welcome Felicia into the division. It's keep people thinking about that division. It's keep Anderson busy. It's, it's workup to what's going on. And till Amanda and Holly. I like it. It's like let's, let's get some action going. Let's get people thinking about that division again. She can't go anywhere else that if she cuts twenty pounds. We saw that article she cannot there's no division. She's gonna go. And, and she does deserve some attention. I think they wanted that to begin with these are two former victim champions that will be binding each other. It brings attention to some people that have possibilities there. So I'm all about it. This is a any fight book in the. Women's featherweight division is going to be a weird fight because you don't know where it's going to end up in like you don't know what it's gonna lead to right. We don't know if it's the number one contender about we don't know anything also, I don't know, if Amanda Nunes has any intentions of, of defending both belts semi retire after this. Retirement. This before getting booked. You know, at this point look, if she beats all your home, like what else is there for her to do? I mean, she's the go, you know, if you just look at it resume, so I think the US see this is a stay busy fight because, you know. You know, there needs to be some sort of continue it either needs to be some sort of, you know, movement in that division. But as far as what it means I don't think it means a whole lot. They're just kind of putting that fight to see how it happens. And then, you know, seeing what other how other things pan out in with a minute, in there is one of the eventually few good fights on the card. Have some in my mind, the one I'm going to point to we'll have to discuss it just want to make note of it is going to be a shoe face Antonio Carlos junior with. I'm a big believer in taking on Ian Heinisch. Meaning. This is such such a great fight. Such a great fight shoot face to me has one of the most modern jitsu especially for a big man. He's got there was this guy who used to compete more regularly into Sportages, whose name was Avraham morte, and he, I think it was once it Costa Rican. And he had what I would call Frank MIR jujitsu, which is small man very powerful jitsu for a huge person as he had a good guard at hand. Just really good. Find his way to tiny spaces and things like that shoe faces like that. But he can be powerful to. And he's learned how to adapt it to 'em may, I think he's coming into his own began Heinisch is nobody to be trifled with love that five any other fight on the card. Anybody here, there's some other gems on there that you guys like wants to go. So I worked for the so the elephant is basically considered the conveyor belt into the UFC. So a lot of these people that, that everyone's like, who I've seen before? I've watched their growth, the growth. So we got awesome Hubbard and his also on the card. And I think on Derrick Krantz is stepping in for new new. He's looking. It which is. Because that kid has twenty two fights and twenty of those are our finishes. I mean he's really tough. He's a black belt intra jitsu. So I liked Derrick Krantz Luke, as a lot more experience. This is a huge step up, especially since Krantz was supposed to go to the contender series wasn't jump onto this. He impressed Dana white, and then they gave a miss. So it's a big opportunity scary opportunity, but Derrick Krantz is the type of do that. It'll be up for it. And then Austin Hubbard is, it's just one of the worst stoppages I've ever seen in probably elephant history, or, or even fight history. The last time I saw Austin Hubbard he was beating this guy. Killys Moda, and the ref was just like on break like twenty something on answered shots looked like he was going to stop it. Stop it. And then said, nah. And then, like you gotta check this out, it's pretty crazy. But so these are up and coming stars that are getting this opportunity that I've seen really pull off some, some slick performances. So it might be this card that we learn about a bunch of new faces that will really impress us. I hope I'm probably just being. Domestic, I like the booking between Aspen, bin ajar Eubanks. That's another one a while curious. There's there's plenty of little storylines in that matchup. I'm curious to see how Eubanks looks at one thirty five because, you know, we, we've mainly at least in the US you we've seen is that the one twenty five she's failed to make that cut at least in her last bout against modify. Modify some jersey. I she looks at one thirty five and dude Aspen loud was scheduled to fly home enough. I got, you know, just reykdal just ripped out and we know the USC believes in her, she's young, and she could potentially get a big fight eighth. She puts an impressive performance against Eubanks worked out better for her this way around. Yeah. I mean you're young, you want time to develop I think Holly homes, a tough ask for for anybody in that division. So we'll see but Aspen latte has really bright future. And, you know, she needs that winter to continue that your, your body weight room guys this guy and Heinisch Jurassic back. I mean that's almost lifted in the can slick jitsu to from wrestling transitions. Like he's shown me a lot of really cool moves and stuff that he does. That's like similar to be. But he'll also find a submission in between his transitions ground and pound. I, I think he's really talented prison stories at this point ahead of all my show. We talked about. Wild any other fight wanted to highlight. How was talking about? Nick lens, Charles Oliveira. Oh, yeah. I mean that's right. That is the only thing on the garments. Garments. So the hidden the hidden jewel on the garbage plagued, by the way, is the baked beans that they slide right? Also doesn't green is making a comeback from the Rochester area. John Jones for the Rochester Aaron maybe can be an ambassador at the show. I don't think he cares. But I certainly would want to speak for him. So anyway, that's going to be on ESPN. Plus both Maine and co main sorry, main card and pre limb court. I apologize on Saturday. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam celebrities. 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I think this was on Monday or Tuesday that it broke. Let's talk about Frankie Edgar and that title shot that he is now going to get. So I, I would have bet my life. In fact, I had Volkan off ski I talked to him on this screen on Monday. And I was like, oh, it's going to be you. But you're going to get that title shot is gonna be you. And so much Elaine hospital. Yeah. No. He was he was on his way to the airport when he did it. And then that was when everything fell apart. And then, of course, I don't know that in the end that was the reason why factor for sure it's not the reason why he got passed over. But in any case, Frankie Edgar UFC two forty I believe in July in Edmonton Alberta Canada. Screw interface. Max Holloway for the UFC featherweight title. Phoenix, I will start with you on this one, Michelle stoppage and call bad call recall bias. I'm not going to move on. Now, here's the answer, state, your biopsies up front, and then they'll your possessions Frankie. Edgar, it's Frankie anger and not. And it wasn't supposed to happen. Now, maybe the timing is weird, but that fight was supposed to happen. And who's gonna complain about seeing the two of them. Go at it. Nobody's gonna complain about seeing them go at it. And let Alexsandr heal from whatever infection. He has and his day will come. It's a courtesy fight. Okay. It's a courtesy fight. But have we not given some of the veterans courtesy fights before Mike thing? Right. That was is it a good idea for Frankie. I believe so and again, this is me being biased because this was a company man. This is a likable fighter. This is someone always delivers. I think that if anybody deserves that exception it probably should be Frankie and it's also it's not like Alexander is not gonna fight again. It would have been a quick turnaround for him anyway. So, I think timing wise and also respect for the veteran wise, this really does work out to everyone's favor. I mean it it's, it's. This is why I like I know that I'm I'm being a little bias because, you know, I, I wanna see the next contender, get the shot, blah, blah, blah. But you know, Frankie really took that risk against Ortega. This was a ready supposed to happen. It's the divisions best anyway, so I'm fine. Here's the business of this. This really is really oddest. There's no get well fights in UFC. There's no get well title-fights except for this one. This is a get well title fight. I know Frankie's greatest thirty seven I love the man, but you don't want max Holloway to get thrown right back into into the into the, you know, whatever you want to say there after going through hell there against you for five rounds. So you think this is like a semi tune-up? This is a semi. Tune of its glitzy anger. Glamorous get well fight. And it's great and surely Frankie can win it. And we all love us some Frankie. But if you're the UFC has been so many wars win or lose. He just came off a fallacious one, you do want to kind of give them a soft landing to come back in rather than, I know. Frank is a soft landing for anybody. I'm sorry. This is Brian Ortega. Yeah. Because that was definitely that happened for him. Perhaps, maybe I think you're onto something in the sense of, like you know, you're not look Frankie editors of very capable fighter couldn't be max Holloway. I don't know what I do know. Is that max Frank acres not known, like, for example, I got dust employers. It's crazy power. He'll he'll point you heal outbox, you know, m maybe there's something to be said on the long term for the accumulation of shots. I may maybe, maybe that's worse. But as far as for for a short window, you know, Frank Edgar, you know, you can make a case that you'll will cost less damage than say drop buddy in that top ten. This is for. This matchup, wait until the fight we grows up because that's going to feel like a big fight. Man Franken who was involved in some big paper, mus- back in the day, and he's still a very skilled fighter. So if you're heading on the metro just waits until five week rose up, and I'm sure you're win it. Everybody's point. It's troublesome for especially like departed. Frankie fans. He's had a lot more injuries in the last recent years between his face and his groin. And like all the things that have happened to him. So it it's troublesome to see him go in with somebody like max Holloway. But I also think that we always wanted this fight. Maybe maybe it's diluted somewhat because of all the things that have happened since the Orteig a situation. But did anyone not want it to happen when it was supposed to? I mean, I think. Always on each other's trajectory, and it was five this is one of the very first time to one of the very few times that it actually works out for the UC where the number one contender, get skipped over for the most part once the number one contender, get skipped over just chaos into division. And there's a lot of things that come out of it. Not good things. I think for this specific moment, actually works out. Because look this, there's fights in July vulcano vulcanology just five he's battling an infection. I don't think the I don't think the what infection has anything to do with it. No, I don't think that the station was was was made in, like, oh. Oh, he has a an infection. I was just book Edgar Holloway, the next day, but it, it, it worked out. You know, it happened and look max Holloway for apparently from from what people are saying. He wants to stay busy. So maybe, you know he can get a fight, you know, later this year. And that's not too big of a gap in between fights and, you know, Frank Jaeger that fights been booked twice men in Frank Eggers been you know, a soldier for the company companyman. Yeah. Yeah. Right. He may not have finishes at us all day. Just Robert Kraft break fan. Henderson Frank acres. Not rank wasn't ranked thirteenth spring. He's probably in the top five. Five or so, I again, the thing about, like, oh, well, Frankie took a risk for them against Ortega, like lots people take lots of risks for them and it never pays off. I'm not sure I buy that argument either. It could be I'm not saying it's not true. But like Hello. He also has Frankie anger has one the most power, if I would argue the most powerful manager in the game, I bet that has a lot more to do with it than like the you have UFC wants to do a solid for, frankly. I don't I that's us. Seems like go. She ended that seems like nonsense that they feed media that we're just repeats. I don't buy it from a business standpoint. Like, I think Edgar Holloway a bigger fight. Right. That's the. Number one. It's a bigger name which by the way does good things for either winner. Number two, I would actually argue that, yes. Volkov's ski has the better resume because the winner Aldo is so clear as your number one contender all the other hand, I would argue that Frankie's two thousand fifteen win over. Chad is much better than Volkov's, skis, two thousand eighteen win over Ted Mendez. And while obviously Volkogonov ski has been on an incredible run. I don't know. I am agreeing Vulcan resumes, better as far apart as people might think to be. I wonder if anyone here disagrees luck man. You see goes, okay he's got to fight. We got a calendar where are we gonna put in who's available? What's going to sell dot dot dot dot dot being, and they come up on this, this idea that, like well, who's got the best resume that, that matters. But all the other considerations matter as well to reform. I do agree. I nine I nine I say, yes, he does his deserving of it. I don't know if that's the reason why they necessarily make it, but I think that he's his him being deserving of it is one of the reasons why we can't complain about it. And, and I do think that maybe when the Ortega fight was scheduled. It was still in conversation. Yeah. If you take this fight, he will still get you back in the mix for that title contention, even if you lose maybe that was one of the conversations that happened. And he said, all right. Well, I'm not at so much of a risk, if I fight or take these might have been the, the, the things that were behind the curtain that his manager did discuss prior to those fights and leading up into this one. It might have been like look. We'll negotiate a little bit. You save that card that could also be big possibilities there. Right. Let's say is pop quiz held, as Freeview thirty seven seven thirty seven years old. If he's gonna get a title shot now. Right now because otherwise, I don't know what's going to happen for him. So, by the way, should be great fun. I'm not obviously looking pendant. Tale son sun was it gets John Jones, which is a similar situation or even a I know Dan handle already own almost finished Bispinck twice in the end went on paper that was a riskier points. I think I think Frankie Edgar absolutely can win. But the thing you were discussing like it's been a help max, he'll kind of situation, what I would say is Frankie Edgar can bring anybody. Hell if I and he might if I had to guess who brings more hell right now to max would my hunch, is that it'd be Vulcan off sqi, but I don't know that yet. So it's just I think that's what he was driving could be wrong about, of course. I'm speaking of somebody who gives people hell, I want to segment this out, because I don't think that there was nearly enough. Talk about it this past week Patrizio pit bull. Whoa. Just rolls through Michael Chandler like it's nothing and becomes your second ever Bella toward sham champ, but becomes it in argument? And the two best divisions, one forty five and one fifty five. You look at pit bulls. Resume man Jesus. It's very good. And it got to wondering I spoke to Jose Young's, our colleague earlier this week because he covered that fight asked him is pit bull. The best built were fighter ever. He said. Yes, Brian is that true? He is. He's the he's the face on the poster right now. I always used to look at it a Alvarez as the patriots. The guy the one guy in the end that became Michael Chandler. Right. I'm used even the Dave and BUSTER commercials that became him you go in there, and you beat Michael Chandler and you have that resume aren't you against that? And it was here's a striking thing when they got the cage against each other. I think of Michael Chandler is a small lightweight. They get in the caged. And they start to read the tale of the tape Calvin giant against him. I saw this. Phil bad for for freer them like allow three inch height disadvantage three and reached just avenge. I think it was out there and knocks them out. Was it a bad stoppage? Yes. No, don't. You don't wanna go go around the track. Bad. Stop it wasn't. But with that said it was close enough to an acceptable stoppage that yeah. He's the face. He's the face on the marquee and his post fight interview. Good Lord, I notice from the Conor McGregor playbook, but it was incredible because he's very straight up few Diddy. How good is he? He's super good. Look at his record, I think, promotion wise, we have a sense that, like Michael Chandler is the guy Biltmore. But if you just compare the resumes, like you know. You know, pit bulls at law says he's right. He loves to Packer, and he's vegetables loss as he lost a Daniel Strauss. He eventually losses. You know. You know, again, he's fighting somebody else said his normal weight and he was winning that until the exactly it was it was also a freak injury. And then here he comes, you know, going up weight class to face, Michael Chandler defeats, then he is by far as a belt or fighter. He's the best or fighter thing is win by pit bulls since Michael Vick getting arrested. Jesus are you are you as a person Phoenix? Can they make him a big star like has even held a show in Brasilia, which I think, would be huge for him and his brother. They can do a whole thing down there. We kind of like a lot like youth sea stars who are just really Brazilian stars like they're not nobody's here. But you don't wanna feel their buzz, and then you see them in Brazil, like. Oh, right. Okay. So they're big. They're these guys don't get that same shine because everybody's kind of North America European. So like what can Bill to a reasonably to pilot or can can get Josie Aldo over to them? And then make pit bull fight Aldo, and that'll make people the most popular dude ever, Brazil, or something like that. I mean, I think that's a, that's a big part of it. I think that they should work on promoting him. More has an interesting back story. You know, the whole brother situation, I think it's you could possibly make them to star. I mean, they're fun will pit bull has an idea. You have you read this heard this on how he'll be a star? He wants to bucks canal Alvarez, right? Yeah. Good luck with that. One sixty. Yeah. A big one sixty. They are on the same platform getting zone. He said he doesn't want to get Michael Chandler, a rematch wants to go back down and wait. So what about Chandler versus Patrice key for the interim title? I'm sorry for the vacant title at one fifty five. Yeah. Remember that he's already beat them twice Danny's moustache? That last time we got knocked out that was fan. You remember. Yeah. I don't know. I think that they have to do rematch, because to your point about the stoppage my, my view on this is you feel about it. It's like was it a great stoppage snow survey, not a great stoppage? Couldn't have been better, of course. But on some level, what can you reasonably expect from the referee? If your guys bellied out taking consecutive shots, I get that he instantly was like way, we'll go. I understand I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying you're doing with a live person in a dangerous situation. You have to have a reasonable expectation of what they can and can't decide it's a reasonable call giving given this Fisher. I mean Michael Chandler was not. You know, in there fighting for a double, he didn't have his arms up. This is just taking shots. You know. And at the end of the day, you know, he got dropped Chandler got dropped. You know, that's, that's just the way it is. I, I think I remember like when you write a favor fought and number out he was rocked. But then he was fighting for the double. Okay. What are you doing? What are you stopping to fight like you know, he's doing something whereas here, Michael Chandler was just faced down. I do believe that some of the punches he was out and some the punches. Welcome back out. Either is no clean. For a couple of. Bought the same thing you thought when I watched it at one angle, and then when I watched it from the second angle, I was like, okay, so if you're a referee you see someone completely free, even if it's just for a couple of seconds and you don't want them to take any more unanswered damage you jump in. So maybe he jumped in a little quick, but maybe he just didn't want to wait anymore. So I think that, that whole section which was for just a couple of seconds is what made the ref say. I have to transit Chandler could have recovered. And sure, interesting tells you gotta let that go. But here's the deal you gotta go about situational. Sometimes what did Josh Rosen thought stopped listener Carwyn when Brock's getting when Brooks turtled off in the corner and getting stuff? We don't see that finished what if Jack Reese stops while the alleged there ever took a shot. Bellied out there got his Ashby. It was bleeding. Corwin brought the funder but he never took a shot on consecutive. Unanswered morning analysts take him. We'll see if even Jack recent December fury, while there you saw that in boxing. He didn't just t- bad fury, and count about gave him the full ten seconds fury rises like the undertaker point is we're in round one of eight. Championship versus champion mad match for sure and a finder and Chandler. Yeah. To get and comeback wants to champion pilot dillashaw and Suharto. This is nothing consideration. Referees, have to make a call with the information. They have like all right. It'd be the real answer is the real answer is instant replay should have some ability to sign the actually this. What's that referees name, which one the guy who blew the call the first one, the guy McDonald? Oh, you knew it right out. Matra all-natural. No. Rob mattress. Okay. The fact that we had just cycle through their. Where's all the referees? We know for arguably the biggest bell tower fight in history. So my, my point is you let that thing go. You let it. He didn't tell you it wasn't like he was on his back now doing anything and got straight up concussed on the ground. He's, he's trying to protect himself. If you're watching the convention center, it's fun. But in the end I, I looked at the call and I was thinking about stuff. It wasn't great. But it's understandable, I would say, yeah, I could agree with that wasn't a great call. Yeah. The reason that we're talking about it is because it wasn't a great, call at the at this point. But nonetheless, dude, he got dropped. And then he took on answered shots, what do you want this guy to do? Because this fits right in with Chandler's history of taking tough losses. Even the freak loss against Brent premise with the ankle injury and coming back and regained. Leads to brain damage, and that is why people are a little bit. I think he means. I think he means fights, but that many of those, and that's your style of fighting. You know how good is the quick stoppage for ballot. Or if you can convince Patricia to do a rematch history you harder as the winner of this is the all time because the smaller guy only one, but he did rock him with that one shot. So you're saying yourself, even if the stoppage has been see what they do dillashaw, dude, you or hurt. You were straight up hurt and so you have to make a decision from there. Let's move on the back to the USC stuff. Because there were some other big finds that I want to talk about including, but not limited to Brian Campbell. Yeah. Let's return of Nathan de has taken on Anthony Perez at one hundred and seventy fire the hell up about damn time. So they're so fired up. Tell me the reasons why you're fired up. What is it about this fight that really the words of Marie condos forks joy? Well, sparks the as is really a at propo- term, right there. But ultimately, it's getting one of the five biggest stars in the sport back into the cage after three years, and it wasn't his fault that at two thirty last year. Portia got her. That fight fell apart. I didn't even see anyone attempting to try to give it another chance or another fight. So it's great to see him back in there. And right now, whether it's welterweight or whether he decides to cut back down to lightweight one more time for a giant fight, man. Is this could this guy be a player for your pay per view sales against anyone at any time? He's in that rarefied air right now where he draws. So well, and has such a sneaky good game. He's you can put them in there against anybody at any time. I'm just so happy that he's back matchmaking wise. It seems like a win win. They can't lose seventy. Yeah. I love it. I love it at one seventy. I love just seeing Anthony Pettis just being successful. Now, especially after what we saw what happened wonderboy, and that was that made me excited about Pakistan, and then he doesn't like the as and like I was surprised Pettus net, never behaves, like this never really has negative things to say it's rare. So this is interesting to me, it's like how does fed is perform when he really just doesn't like someone like he wants to beat him up this. We might see him be very aggressive. Live and with all the new skills that he has all the new develops that he's gone through Duke changing his style, again feeling like the old Anthony paths. So there's a there's a good story here, and who doesn't wanna see, like we talked about ninety as we will see the Diaz brothers for years, they're still in the conversation all the time. So there's something about them. That's just has this allure and then have Pettus not like him. I'm not a trash talk person. But when there's legit rivalry, I, always, I find that interesting, I actually don't, I'm going to be a party. I actually don't like it at one, seventy. I'm all about that. Dehydration. I'm kidding. But no actually don't like it at one, seventy. Because if you look at all the fights that you could possibly link Nate Diaz to there at one fifty five so having a win that weight class having a comeback in that way class actually means more than it than it does to seventy now. Again, he's fighting somebody I used to fight one fifty five, so there's that connection there. And he can always drop down for sure. But, like, for example, when cowboy dropped down for one seventy you didn't really consider his one seventy wins as part of the run at one fifty five you know what I'm saying? So I like this fight from staus point. I think it's a fantastic match up. I'm looking forward to it. I'm glad to see the Nate DSS back. I think this is a perfect match making day. But I think at one fifty five that's not. Hundred normal considerations. I think Danny would be right under this one. I'm also like look this kind of like the what is it? The cage Ainu and Sam stout situation, where they're like we're gonna fight less stood awake was above a little healthier. I'm also all about you. Look real, though, Connor was not the same Connor against after two years, regardless of whether you thought he was ever gonna have a chance in that fight or not niche three years away from the game. I think is perfectly upset by the fact that what other fraternity, this is a real welterweight. I saw him get his ass kicked against Stephen Thompson, until he pulled a Derek Lewis Volk up, you know, CNN's punch out of nowhere. So this, there's questions on both sides. There are two giant names for what, how does that relate to one seventy like what the point is the weight doesn't matter. It's about getting Nate active again and it's about setting up Nate for the big show is going to begin after they fight or title making here. I think I think obviously nonetheless this is great matchup. We got Nick gets back. That's the most important thing getting back in the. See what has denied this. I know it is true that, that, that they offered Nate a title fight against Highland Woodley. It's just a tyrant date, one at more money than they were willing to offer. I am. I know that as that is true. So this idea, like he like, here's what I what you wanted to think about. I think under normal considerations, I absolutely agree with it. So different. Everyone else. Let's just imagine a scenario where in August. Seventeenth. I believe the fight is in Anaheim California Nate knocks him out in the first round. Okay. So now natives back the question you have to ask yourself is okay, but what's next? He's just gonna take another contender and acute no he's not. He is going to take a handful of fights Connor a title shot at one, seventy a title shot, if it's not Connor at one fifty five, and that's probably it, this is merely a reconnection to actively, it's not some like, well, now he's the one seventy eight to think of other one seventy matchups. I don't buy at all. He's an attraction treat them like an attraction, he wants to be treated as such. So my point is under any. Other fighter virtually once you're in that space, you got to think about all the other matchups for Nate. He's going to say either. It's a title shot here, a title, shot there or a big money, five year. I'm out. Here's my CBD came out today, that Nate one at RDA that he reached out to the of see about that. And that's just what that was. In fact, here's what's funny about this fight with pets because we had on the show on Monday. The USC didn't put this together mates. People reached out to Anthony's, people was like you want that smoke in air, like we think we want that slow and then they took it to the UFC to make it. Here's the funny part about Nate Diaz at this point. And I've said this before, like the relationship with the DS brothers in the UFC has totally broken. Totally broken, these guys are making their own fights and like I'm not opposed to promotion, bro, whenever it gets them in there. You know what I mean? Whatever against him in there. But I find that kind of interesting that they were just like working outside of the matchmaker model to make this kind of he has asked you, if you want that smoke you should probably ask him to clarify take it. No. I would just take it actually that would not be concerned about what kind of smoke that might be. He is health conscious, Brian Campbell. He has health conscious equality in any event, so that's going to be in August Anaheim, but I believe that, like if you just begin to think about what the world after is, it's gonna. Be you could go on and their long hiatus that could be his last fight to be honest with you. If you see plays games with him. Show up. I think he's gonna show up. I think he wants I my understanding this talking to some folks around him. He wants another big shot at glory. I think and now here's the thing. Let's say he beats Titus was he gets a title shot or whatever some something that, scratches, the and that doesn't go, well, that probably is the end of ninety s I would suspect. I don't think he thinks he can get. I don't think he has it in him to fight with the UFC Ford anymore. So this is one last push. I think so enjoy a lot last dogs. How good is the we didn't Singapore what he ever cash? I don't do. They do we didn't Singapore. No, no. I don't think that they do that. Find the one. I investigate that right away real quick. Start about Ferguson cowboy but it's kind of a talked about ready to just pass it over. It's a great fighter. Love it. Happened to see. Tony Ferguson back. I want to get to some of the leftovers from the two big events over the weekend. So of course, UFC two thirty seven billets four to twenty one and we'll start with the Biltmore side. Phoenix was this finally the moment that everyone realized Douglas Lima is the bees. Jeez. I think so. I think it gave him a lot of attention. I also thought that a lot of his post fight press stuff was great, too. And I think that we've talked about Michael venom page so much just even not necessarily just in MMA media. But martial arts media his conversation has been had a over and over and over again, as far techniques and things like that. So sometimes when you beat a popular guy, people say will who is that guy and I think that's what happened here. So not just hardcore ballots, where fans I mean, I think I, I posted the fight and then I got a bunch of tweets back to me, like, damn, I need to start watching Bella tour. So I don't even think it was just good for Lima think it was good for bell of more as a whole. There's about time people are waking up and seeing this, I mean, the guy who's is everything you want any of the great tan, and he was extra that night like he might be the best welterweight in the world. And it's not crazy to say that I know he went five rounds of hell with Rory in economic better. Still. To have the right demeanor. He's a he's sort of calm in, like a silent killer in some ways not over emotional. You know, what's funny most time when these guys said, I've like stopped line, but when he was, like, look, the money is great. And I spoke to him this week as well about, he's like, look, the money is great. What that title, there's a certain validation competitively that he has not had because he did lose ask Renee did lose to McDonald. I'll be, you know, ask me if I wasn't close, but the McDonald's, I was pretty competitive, and he's gotten way better since then he's looking for something when he's as a martial artist that he hasn't gotten yet. He stays mostly injury-free. He took no damage in this one, and Danny, I think he's I I really think he's better than he was a year or two ago. I absolutely believe that. I think so too. Yeah. And for example, if you look at the person that took the title from him, right McDonald. I mean I don't wanna say he's a downfall, but like you know, with his post by communists space. He's definitely in a weird space. So, you know this just put Lima, you know, I think he might be I think he has to be probably the favorite in that tournament. Especially how he lived against MVP. So I think as far as the hardcore we already knew how legit he was. We've seen the highlight reel. That guy's really he's been really skilled for a long time. But I think the casualties are starting to realize because MVP he's made it made a big name for himself. You know, that was a big win for him as far as visibility. I think he was hoping to get that by beating ROY like look. I'm legit. I just be one of the best world awaits but he wasn't. He wasn't able to quite get that came close, but not really. So now he has a little bit more visibility and you know he's gonna continue on this tournament. See this. We just sort of pondered put it out. There is pit bull. The greatest fighter belt or history. Now with that win, but his really Doug Leanne, but the best fighter in beltway right now at the second terms of just overall building. Could be you. If you could take one or fighter and put them in the top ten in that specific division, who would have the best chance of fitting in right away. I think it's gotta be Lima. It would certainly competitive. It's certainly I have profound respect for the ability of a dose limit. I'm glad they're willing to starting to, to, to recognize as much some of the other odds, and ends from UC two thirty seven is the NAMI UNICEF factor, here, by the way, real quickly for you dogs share in the video of when the high crotch comes from just gone on drudge right before she turns her. She readjusts her grip. Oh, she tapped just more like she's tapping? I'm like to what there's no submission there. There's no there there. I don't think it was that, like you're saying she had a deep Grenon. We tried to say she tapped, but it was a tap motion. So she did she just didn't tap to a submission. There's no submission didn't tap to exhaustion. She didn't tap the strikes, which you have tapped to lifting a person up in the air. Like it's the most nonsense. It's like a theory by definition. What the thing that makes the theory what it is? How did how you how you have a theory versus hypothesis? Is that asked to explain something, you're not explaining anything because there's nothing to explain terms of submission it? Okay. Anyway, that aside, there's a nominee UNICEF factor here. Big big and no one's really talking about it. She got out there in her. What does she twenty six six say? I might I might be done with this. I interviewed her last Sunday. And that was a bit of a challenge, because apparently she was having, you know, she was having some competitive challenges emotionally before heading down to Brazil we have to work out a bunch of different times, and we made it happen. And she looked great early. But to you on this one Phoenix. If we've seen the end of rose number Yunus, maybe for two years. So when you talking about, like what happens to your body when you're fighting on a regular basis, and especially if like you're female, and you're as Lena, she is her hormone levels of cortisol levels are just doing this all the time. So she didn't might have just a point of mental and physical fatigue. That makes you lose your drive and passion to go to the gym. I mean we see it in terms of sports science with overtraining, and that can leave you mentally exhausted as well. So even though she had a large break before this. It depends on like how much training that she's doing, and she might feel that from age eighteen till like now, this is the only frigging thing that she's done. And she may be just emotionally exhausted. If she took a year to kind of settle back and try the things that she wants maybe she gets hungry for it again. I mean it might be happening to her earlier in the game. But she's been doing martial arts for so many years at a high level and competing for so many years. It might just be a level of like my body and soul and mind needs to regroup. Because if you're training all the I remember training, six days a week. And then when I stopped because of a neck injury, I had all this free time I could call friends I could go shopping. I could sleep late on the Megan's. It was like, I, I had a life. Yeah. I really. And then after three months, I was like, I gave back in the gym I, I need to train with that six days a week, every single day you really feel like just a machine over and over again. And there's a lot of joy in it. But there's a lot of Teague in it too. So when she was talking, I was like I can understand that when you feel, especially, like a girl, I don't know. She felt feels this way but I felt like oh my God. I look like I've in sweatpants every day t-shirt Heron about it was going to break dance like every five minutes. I couldn't wait to put on a dress and heels and feeling girl, lip loss and makeup. And like I couldn't wait to just not feel like like that adrenalin direction in my body and soul all the time. So it she could be at that. Point. And especially as a champion the pressure. I mean that Ronda Rousey interview with mega Levy was she was talking about how wrestling is so much easier than MMA seeing that it was the mental side of it rightish. Exactly. The physicality of wrestling is easier than the mental strain of this is something George saint-pierre. We forget about it when he after it'd be Hendricks, and he had that long concussed talk at the press conference. He mentioned, the, the mental fatigue in the enzyme that comes on at between fights. It's an it's an unnatural thing to be a fighter and to prepare for war constantly and being a different head space all the time in for rose. She's also married to one of her trainers. It's gotta be a twenty four seven sorry, engage a full-time thing going on. And I like that this message is sort of coming out through rose, because it's easier for fence to understand it. And here's the thing, I've so much respect for rose. Right. She we know about her mental health battles in the past about her father's conditions and situations in how she sort of found her her center in our core of mental strength. And that was the head of the Jonah fights, and he saw the. The way she fought. But at the same time she said, in the build up to this fight crying, every day in the gym became a regular thing. It's not normal to do this think of fighting, we think of caveman with twos. And we think of these early, you have guys go. Well, if they weren't finding me on the street invite you anyway, physically does to your hormone levels or cortisol, your testosterone, estrogen like the wave of things that happens to you when you're driving has to meet so high all the time. But also, yeah. People who become champion, and they love the celebrity, I don't, I don't get the she loves the celebrity. Yeah. And I think we need to be softer and understanding on Ronda Rousey. And I think it'd be we all became quick and easy to, to insult our for the way she dealt with loss. But look to, to wire yourself up for this in to build up this false invincibility and then have taken from you. It's crazy. Mental game this game. And it's something to me that is just foreign and I and I don't understand it. But anybody who shows you whether it's Rory whether it's anybody who's like I may not be wired for this anymore right now. Maybe I need a couple of years off, or maybe I just need a new profession. I think we're finally, at least able to talk about how you can help me with this because I don't follow any other sports besides, but, like, I know I know I respect all athletes and stuff. But like when I watch football, it's like a math Matic, quadrajet equation for me. I don't understand what's happening. It's guys running on a giant ruler and they fall in each other. That's what football because like to me, but what I will tell you about other sports is they're seasons. So your body gears up and then it drops down and then it gears up again, and then it drops down. So your hormone levels of cortisol. Training but fighting in the gym you're fighting you're training. You're fighting your training. And then if you're not in fight camp, you're still training. You're still fighting so far. Get some guys who offensive lineman who you'll see who have to keep weight on, and that could be its own kind of show, but you don't see the weight depletion hardly ever, and also most NFL players. This is the reality. You get sixteen weeks a year where you gotta do something that's it. You get sixteen of them. Most don't go to the playoffs the ones who do get eliminated pretty quickly, you know, in the end slowly two teams that go to the Super Bowl after that you've got all that free time to try to keep the but not is that the same the same and also they are very well compensated financially. I also think that makes a medium, not that rose is like money hungry. But I wonder if ever may athletes were better pain, if you'd see a lot of this mental strain. I wonder if there's some kind of. Can make the case that if they got paid more, they'd probably be fighting lesser, they'd get a big paycheck piece, you know, I'm for, here's the most. But, but I think with the rose like she's always been like an outcast. I in in, you know, in may like in the sense of like whenever somebody who wins the title, every single picture with the Bill. You see Henry's Ehud are reminding everybody in the comments he's got a belt. You see, you know, Conor McGregor. Everybody was, was sort of flaunting, you know, that the fact that they're champions in, and they really enjoy that which is totally fine. You see rose when she gets the bell the first thing she says, like you, I don't care about this just being a good person. You know, she doesn't really post much on social media. I think she enjoys being a martial artist, but she doesn't necessarily enjoy all that much being UFC fighter I think she can scratch the itch of being a martial artist, you know, through being a UC fighter but not entirely, and there's some things some negative things that she doesn't like about it. So I think she's at a point right now where like she's like, I think eventually the March. Artists in her. We'll we'll we'll be like look, we, we need to fight, we need to get back in there. But I don't think she has aspirated of, like, you know, fame and I want to hold records. I think she's just in it because she loves it and, you know, uncertain terms and if she you know, if she's getting to a point where like you, I don't really like this anymore, then, you know, she's more than willing to walk away from its crown so heavy, so I think we can respect it more coming from her. When DSP said it was sort of, like, what are you doing, dude? Just get back in the cage, I'm like that, where at least able to look a little bit closer with the message coming through her, and I interviewed GSP throughout the end of that run he was testing interviews to man, he was, you could tell you had it, you know, it was interesting. It's semi related, but it's been on my mind. A little bit actually read a study recently of American college students, and this, this number to my breath away, eighty percent of American college students freshmen and sophomores eighty eight zero said that they believed there, it was more important that the that they believe there was more important for their parents that they. They got into a good college versus were kind in that crazy. And we live in this generation of show and status and accumulation and to me roses that twenty percent I think who would just rather be kind than these other things. Now I could be wrong about that. And I'm sure she does have some competitive ambitions, that remain what seems to be why she's wrestling with them, but we live in a certain era. I, I really believe where the us get pushed in this kind of direction and I don't think I don't think she wants it or is necessarily built for it. And that might be a good thing. He says such a crazy unique career when you look at loss record demined like she was fighting for a time when she was five in three and you're like this is the second I fight with you, Ana and it's crazy that this is happening right after a first round against Jessica, where she showed you might be the best in the world. Like I was listening. Like this might be the best female fight in the entire here. You've how good she will. How good she will. Amazed. But then just because just got upset with this lamp, and it shouldn't have you watch the Monday morning. Analysts understand better what was utterly legitimate. Okay with that out of the way we have come to the end of the road here. So it is time for our last segment here on the show under the radar a story that and there's been a million of them this week. Kind of pass by we didn't even get to it, but worth maybe a very brief mention start there before line with what we're talking about about rose about the comments from Rory Tom Duke, and wants says, retirement crazy, fire Cain, who had a career fortunate that was more like fire fest, right? Like team point Ryan. Gamble. I've loved this guy when he launched because you, it's rare that you get this, you know, model slash fighter. From another country speaks another language. The marketing potential has early wins were great, but to walk away in twenty five twenty six and be like there's other work, I could be doing and I think that'll satisfy me more. I think it falls in line with these conversations we're having it specifically about Rory when you start to have that doubt that I'm not that same person. Again, I don't have that same violent finisher streak in me to do this, the right way, you have to get the heck out because the worst thing, where we can do in my eyes is keep fighting when he has doubt and then becoming fodder and get knocked out because of that. So anytime someone's doing this even if it's a couple years to recharge I could not be more in favor of it was under the renter. Well, we kind of loosely talked about it was Neil Magny getting popped getting ahead of it, actually and saying, like these are the supplements. I take, I hope they find that it wasn't me. I'm not a cheater. I really liked that. He was open about speaking about it like right away. And then my second thing was. Of retirement note. Josh Berkman recently were hired on elephant. I got the flu. He's like a lovely person. And I think that as far as martial artists go, he's going to have interesting names like hero in atlas or something, the atlas and I forget the other the other name. But it's there basically off of a really cool book. Yeah. He had a great career should surprisingly, I think if I'm not mistaken, the only person submit Jon Fitch did play horse Behar's, right? Yeah. Okay. But he he's, he's David to yet, for sure. Did he was under the radar hashtag, and may retirements your favorites in thing a comeback? He wants to come back when he returns to Sacramento, I think in July thirteenth field. E said either thirty five or one forty five and and he seems you know pretty pretty into into that combat. You know, I believe he's forty years old now. I just want to throw this out there. Look, if he comes back to a head and Barau Baraga live. He's gonna come back and fight somebody. I think that's I liked it if a comeback but not against food you like to see him face anybody. But Hannah morale I think that'd be like the legends division at, you know there. Daily saying Brown right now might be more wash than favor sitting out. So that's why it would be the picture of the Instagram where he made that announcement it's ham, and I don't know if it's his wife or girlfriend, but his part, and then they're baby cues baby in the world, not name mine, but great-looking baby. The baby's head of hair was like yours. Phoenix house. Is that a real hair, and they put a wing seen it go? Look at your ride famous fish. He that baby has the most focused on the on the babies, I did because I just had where golden, the baby's head of hair either. They put a with that baby or that may be has an unbelievable. Head of hair. I mean favors forty and he's had, you know, amazing. Yeah. The whole. Yeah, he does exactly something like this baby has record hair. All right. Pretty last night, at least for under the radar wasn't that under the radar? But Anthony Johnson getting arrested for domestic policy. I'm not here to weigh in on whether there is any truth value to. He has vehemently denied his attorney that there's anything to this. And if you read the report is, there might actually be some reason to believe that there's some nuance to the story. I don't know what wait and see. I think no judgment about Anthony Johnson other than to say that, however, the thing I did want to mention was caught. His attorney comes out and says, listen of Anthony Johnson hits, you your grand kids will feel it fighters. Please get better attorneys. What are they doing getting attorneys? That say if, if they really wanted to hurt you, Ed be so bad, particularly. When Johnson has had previous run ins to this kind of an effect. It's like what why does every fighter have lentil huts attorney at law? Every case every case you went comes to the free pizza. Oops, there's no pizza inside attorney. I don't understand this please. Get better attorneys, please, please, especially for actually innocent. It'd be to your benefit, all right, there we go. 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A Former Champs Return, Michael Chandlers Heel Turn & UFC 255 Preview

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A Former Champs Return, Michael Chandlers Heel Turn & UFC 255 Preview

"Hello france it's your old pal area. Halawani back with another exciting episode of dc in hawaii. We got so much talk about this week from rda versus felt to ufc. Two fifty five coming up this weekend. And everything in between. But i i wanna tell you about a very special podcast that i personally can't wait to listen to and i think you'll enjoy well. It's the wo- do pod and today my man agent which now ski of course the legend the goat of all things. Espn nba has released a three part series about the discovery of the one and only yohannes tinicum po. Yes the two time. Nba mvp of the milwaukee bucks. It's an amazing story. Featuring all sorts of twists and turns that led up to the drafting of his back in two thousand and thirteen in this new series won't speaks to scouts executives agents and even jaanus himself about the craziest draft story. You'll ever hear on top of that. 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And i can find. No joy in winning are six game in a row. Whenever you guys loss on would might have been the most amazing play. I have seen in multiple years in the nfl. And i just feel down. I don't feel like i'm in a celebratory mood. Yeah even though we have now Proven that we are the best team in football and But watching you guys you know watching those hard-luck bills you know the way to the bad luck follows. It really has put me in a somber mood for you. I don't know how you showed up to work. You know under the circumstances okay. Okay and that's already enough. I texted you. I texted you with eleven seconds to go to go ahead. You seem so arrogant incompetent. And i'm very arrogant. I never you were very arrogant enough to eight. The text me the difference. Is you take pride and joy in my team and more importantly myself suffering having about sunday. There's also me sitting here. Sad said fake tears healing for you. I couldn't move my. I can move from my couch i was. I was frozen for forty five minutes. I could not move. I have never experienced that range of emotions like like pure happiness excitement jubilation and then it all turned to heartbreak within a span of two minutes. I've never visit that kind of range in such a short amount of time. That's what happened with daniel in me at the minnesota miracles. But you know what. I felt like whenever that dude god that long a area it was it was it was actually painful. I woke up in the middle of the night at two thirty a m. I opened my phone. I went on twitter. I watched it just to see it was real and i swear to god. I cannot go to sleep for two hours. I'm exhausted right now because of that. I'm exhausted because of that. Play the thing about heartbreak from your team. It's it lives with you. It living with my soul. And then i see everyone on social media saying greatest catch ever literally about an it down then and so down and out because it literally was probably the best play in the nfl in years the promise he cheated he pushed off. Let's just be honest. We call burry smile before he threw. The i mean kyla murray. What a stud. Right in a dual of quarterbacks the guys that are supposed to be the future we saw that kinda murray is the guy in josh allen is just another part of the pack i mean it is about. This is ordinarily i would say to. You know what you're right. You know what. I did have a worse than you as you sit there drinking not sipping. I will make the argument right here now. Though that i actually had a better weekend than you. Despite the fact despite the fact that my team imploded and had their hearts taken out and stop the number one. That's an interesting number one house. Qb ones ribs doing on this monday house. Qb ones ribs doing miss am jamaican number one. So i'd rather have a healthy quarterback a health and having did have jameis winston as your hey aramis arrow yesterday in the morning. I put out an instagram story calling. Tom brady drew brees his son. Yes in i've been is talk about the i. Send a message to dana. And he just sends me to face palm. Because i was like look at drew brees son about to go play. You know we hope you gotta do ended. The day i received a text from the balls. That goes utah. All that expletive and you jake's drew brees the only response could give that save face palm that he gave me bro. i mean. qb ones out. What are we going to do. And i i didn't. I thought i thought it would be fine. But this ain't no teddy bridgewater man we got. We ain't got teddy bridgewater as a backup right now. James look bad taste. Hill can pretty much run the ball so well good. Meanwhile i go on twitter this morning and i see your boy. James harden has asked for a trade. He wants out so that team is so you sit here and you make fun of me. Meanwhile everything's well good. Yeah we lost at the last second. It's all good. It's all good. I don't have a basketball team. That's imploding. i don't have a football team. That's really weird. We're gonna to rebuild trust. I started the new management. Upper management will get the rockets figured out when we will have james harden next year. Yeah yeah where you can have on on poster night when he comes back playing for the nets i mean for real and then on top of all that i see. I was actually going to start the show. Saying if you're in front of me right now. I would give you a hug. I would ask you if everything was okay. I would even give you a big fat wet kiss on your forehead. Don't talk of all your troubles with. Ps five i feel bad for you with your is five troubles and now you know what i take them all back. I don't care about your. Ps five troubled. I hope it never works about that. I hope it never works. Hope you're asking people. You're begging for people to help you out of bed. I'm completely normalize myself. My point that. I'm on twitter talking to people i've given up my number two multiple people that have promised to help me like i've literally spoken on the phone with a lot of fans because they promised to help me but it has all spam you. I hope they all call you. I'm still not able to get my playstation working reality. is this area. I'm probably going to have a new number because at some point one that these people that i've given my number two are going to put it on the internet. They're just randomly calling you yemen. I just i won't say bory. Desperate desperate desperate started responding to direct messages. And any anybody that said they could help me. And i'm talking about thousands of people. I picked off five of them and smart sounding ones and i gave him my phone number for us to try to figure it out and safe to say we have not figured it out and i have made a number of new friends because the fridge economy is bad is bad. I got desperate lost. Someone was filming that you talk to these random people on control the last night like last night somehow control word in one guy added me into a voice group and i'm thinking maybe he can help me so we just got her talk guys like what's your instagram name. Like dc underscore man you got three million followers dudes like hey man you got almost three million followers. I was like yeah. I shouldn't have gotten on this call. Like what am i doing. What will save the same. Both of us had rough weekends for many different reasons. But nevertheless you know who had a great weekend as we try. And by the way before we actually get into these happy Raisin bran data to you yesterday was national raisin bread to the crowd raises today was was national raisin bran day so national raisin bread day you know all this i mean i really wanna know how day we actually celebrate. We made Muffins oh of course. It's good as listen. I'm jewish. I got all kinds of problems. All right so we need raisin bread. My kids used to eat. They don't need it anymore. No raisin bran raisin bran yes very serious raise the red red day said raisin bread anyway raisin bread bread raise british tremendous. I love that. I have every friday night. Let's talk ufc betas this past weekend. Paul felder held those sanchez. What a story where we were. We said goodbye last monday we were is. Rda gonna have an opponent. is it going to be. You know someone like out santa's in the end a couple hours later we found out it was your broadcast partner. Paul felder and the story was that he took the fight on five days. Notice which technically is true but really. He took it on three and a half days. Notice if you ask me because he had three and a half days to drop from low one eighty s to one fifty six. He ended up being the first guy to step on the scale. In the end they fight. It doesn't go his way one crazy. Judge named chris lee scored at forty eight to forty. Seven for paul felder. But i mean i think most sane people had it fifty to forty five for our but you know what you see one of those fight if you ask me no one lost right no lost nobody loss in honestly like i mean a lot. There's lots of made about fell to taking the fight on such short notice in rda accepting to fight. We talked about this last week. We talked about how guys don't generally just stay on the card especially a former champion. rda rda took. the fight ended up getting honesty in terms of rankings. A bigger fight because felt it was in the top ten like twelve right now. Forty fantastic fight looked like himself. I mean big. Strong kicks unbelievably hard. His wrestling was on point. He implemented the greatest he. He fought the fight then he had to fight even if paul had had a full camp. I believe it's a difficult match up with. Rda's on fire. Like he is. And i talked to paul about this. I said hey you know you're a guy that started kind of as cowboys training partner and then your roof sport in. That's pedestals. jim. I go with you fought. Rda either those guys three days notice. I mean that says a lot. You don't if you had more time the russell. I think he the did better but i just believe that. Rda motivated at one. Fifty five is a problem for everybody. He's a real problem so a couple of good pieces of news to come out of this fight. In addition to the fact that fell there showed up and save the day. He announced that he won't be retiring right. There was some talk. Maybe he was done after the dan hooker fight back in february and even going into this fight. Maybe this would be the swan song. And he's like all of a sudden. I feel rejuvenated. It was great for a guy who's never fought for a belt. Who's always kind of been in that mid tier to see the entire enemy community rally around him and show some love this past saturday to fight like that really special and something. That's really unique to our sport. Because even boxing you don't get stories like this right you don't get top guys coming out and saving the day but you know what it was almost symbolic in many respects of rda's career. This guy is one of the most overlooked underrated fighters in the history of the sport. A former champion who has literally fought them. All right like even went up to one seventy he fought tomorrow. He fought leon. He fought called becoming. He fought everyone. Wants seventy one fifty five. And i almost forgot. Dc that this was his return to one fifty five right like none of none of that was discussed all week. Nothing was made the fact that he was coming back after three year. Layoff to one fifty five. I think even though he's thirty six i think. Rda has run left in at one fifty million does he get the way cuts figured out. I think he could be assault player again. Well think about the fight right with felder last week and the way that he wanted to fight. You believe that. A fight with dan hooker. A guy who has the same type of skill set as paul would not look similar. You know in a way that ardeche try to implement that same game plant now. I'm not saying he's gonna beat their hooker. But we saw close. Paul and dan hooker was allowed to fulfill to one fight so there are matchups within the top five of the division that rda matches up really well and getting a win over number seven puts them right back on track to where he wants to be a massive moment. But you're right though man like the focus was on felder as it should have been right because of of of him cutting all the way taking the fight on such short notice but rda showed everybody that listen takes two to tango. And i'm in this fight. That's the better fighter expressly tonight and i'm going to get a job done. I remember watching early in the fight and you saw how almost felt like the show pivoted and it was built around paul and everything that admit to him in terms of what his father meant to him and Him taking the final short notice. And i remember thinking to myself like. Rda's not just here to take part in participate in the paul filled story. These dudes is gonna be here to win this fight. It was very clear very early. That rda was in there to get the job. Done any fought beautiful. Fight man. I i just it just makes me hosmer is in in. I think back to the performance against pets when he won the title in some of the fights that he had on his way to the title. While i was like. Wow this guy's an absolute killer. Any looked like that on saturday night. We forget that his last fight at lightweight. Three years ago was against tony ferguson. Fight he loss to tony ferguson. We know who he is and who. He was three years ago prior to that. It was the eddie alvarez fight so he left very much at the top of the lightweight. Division moved to one seventy clearly. Wasn't the good way class for him. Because i think he's a little too small and him fighting one fifty five now. I wonder if all of us because look we know. Who the the creme de la creme of one fifty five pound division is obviously be is still there sort of and we'll get to him in a bit but there's this there's michael chandler. There's tony ferguson right. You mentioned dan hooker. I wonder if he's like that. Next guy in the mix or because. I think that they were trying to build islam office day. You try to run a back with islam now or has he moved on it someplace. I think i would like it to be him in islam. Still because i believe it's a big fight for islam. But i think by beating he'll he'll hop right into the top ten top seven eight area. He'll be right up there now in i'm sure. Rda and his team will start looking forward right because now him coming back down to one fifty five. It looks exciting to fight islam. But now when you come off with a win like that he'll probably start saying. Why can't i fight. Dan hooker. Who isn't scheduled to fight his e no now like guys like that are scheduled connors fighting dustin poor chandler. Maybe michael chandler. I think that he'll start looking at one of those big time fights now as he gets back into the have lightweight division. I hope it's this long. I really do hope it's still islam. I think it's a good fight. But i just worry that. Rda is now going to start looking forward opposed to a guy that's gonna be behind him in the rankings. Now here's the thing. Though after the fight he said he wanted connor. And i saw some people sort of laugh at that scoff at that lest we forget it was supposed to fight and i always felt bad for rda. It's amazing amazing. I was thinking about this this morning. Think about how history the history of the sport and this company seat would be completely different. If that fight actually happens a ufc one hundred says anywhere the for you. Don't get the two d. s. fights. You don't get the you'll see two five moment at madison square garden with the two belt. Who knows if you even get the mayweather fight right so much so much change as a result it would be nice if they could run back. And you know forgotten of history dc before the brooklyn incident at barclays center. A couple years ago the plan was for. Rda to fight conor for the interim welterweight in brazil in may of that year. A lot of people don't know this report at the time conner did the thing at barclays. They pulled the plug on it. But that was actually real things so actually. He's missed out on to connor fights throughout his career. So i would like for it to happen at some point that seems to open to connor said let me worry. Let me deal with dustin and then you and i can do our thing you know. He's open to it because he views. Rda on that level right because like you said on multiple occasions they were supposed to fight. Not only were they supposed to fight. There's fifa titles titles at welterweight and lightweight. So obviously that's a fight that's going to interest mcgregor. Would you call an audible on on dustin and do rda or giving this vital leave. It alone doesn't matter both of us right doesn't you doesn't matter more than a dozen are open to the gym together louisiana. That's we can't be so mad at each other that we're we're we're gonna open a gym together in our hometown. But listen these sensitive. We are each and every week. We talk about these fighters. We try to help them. We tried to guy bad. Edgewater get mad at a little constructive criticism and boom they turn on you in a second turn on you in a second and then when you try to tell them listen. I'm doing you a favor. They call you saw as i he juice off last week or you get so everybody taking you know what does the toby a couple of weeks ago. He said you get soft these see. I can't even joke. What you know more i was like. Wow you know what he said to me. He said you're getting soft area like your friend. Dc oh my goodness dust to come on my brother. why are you doing. That doesn't listen. Call me soften retirement dopamine on the same level as every come on. They'll do they'll be a could we go back to like in in and dp. Excuse me justin and connor in a second but yet but when in this whole thing right when we give our the as we give him his credit where it seemed like going into the fight. People were overlooking him. Now in hindsight we have to remember. What paul did but listen to this though yesterday. I'm at my house. And i had gotten the call right. When paul fell to took the fight it started a ripple effect michael businesses during the movie. Hats off to. Mike is a fantastic actor. He's going to england. Now do moving so he's off contenders fell. There was dare to call the fights and due to contend series on tuesday. So i get the call fell just fighting. Dc we need you on tuesday. You gotta come like okay. Some ready to go felder fights. In all paulie red stash paulie read stats from philly fights. The fight comes out on sundays laying in bed. I get a call. dc Felder late once lay in bed for a couple of days recover. He's going to work if you don't want to wait what they're like. I was like what alleged bro. So he's gonna do the tuesday contender series tomorrow felder. We paul felt ahead. That paulie red stash villian get takes the final three and a half days notice on thursday. Wait cut is so difficult. I heard from ian laurels. It was one of the hardest. Wade cuts ever. But paulie the gig. Said he is makes the way not only does he make the way. He fights twenty five minutes against the former champion in. Rda showed up. I on the scale. By the way i you said some fights you don't lose. Paul fell doesn't lose. No because on sunday i get the call from felder. He's all up. You know. I go paul. I'll step aside because this is the stuff that legends are made of this right here. This is a moment paul. That does people forget this. The upper brass doesn't forget this. The fans will forgive this when they see you when that visual when the tendency restarts in europe there three days after fight against rda calling the fights your alleged. Paul fell two tags in. I'll do it contenders working tomorrow three days after that fight. He's gonna put back on his suit and he's gonna call those contender series fights. That's paul fell to forty people talk about good guys in the sport right in your almost tempted to believe that it's fake right like all this guys putting on. This is that not an agricultural demand. He's these guy he really is that guy. He's great at his job. He fought his butt off for twenty five minutes. Rda yeah he lost but did he really in on tuesday night when the start. Paul will be sitting at that table. Call those fights that is gangster scars bruises. and all. that's going to do like everyone. I run away when i leave aerial run when i lose i run away. I want to wait for six weeks two months. I'm going because i need to lick my wounds. Paul failed because you know what. I've got a job to do. My job is to be there on tuesday. i'll be able to do it thorough. What a seen that was in the main events of both guys walk winners in in different aspects and then what is seen in the co main event. You didn't even know this man's name last week. Chaos williams and now you're on his crap he wants in on ea sports. Not only that kevin told me last week. You want. sit on the as sports. And i said good news guys. I know a guy. I know a guy i know a guy who can put you in the ratings adjuster himself. Are you going to get. I mean it there. I say chaos without incredible first of all he staring the guy down the scariest boys scaring the knockout in the body was just like i do like he was. Can you get a man like is that is it as easy as calling someone up and saying hey get my guy. Chaos in and while you're at it can you get twenty twenty of the year kevin holland and as well all right so here. Here's here's here's we're going to go with this right. I've become a very powerful man in this game. All but two i'll be going to do manage his game. Yes love cast williams. Yes on what a name. Let's say kevin harlan is about disclose. Oh can cast williams little bit further away. I mean it's got to be honest. I like chaos williams but the kevin holland coal is about this coast. That's how close kevin harlan callers. And i mean. I don't even know if he has to be jack. Hermansson for the call to be made but kevin harlan's very close. Okay chaos. Is you know fellow. Low more work to do but but that performance last weekend i think that punch right down the middle to stiffen out. Razaaq was named abdulrazak. What's his name. How the son abdulrazak hassan. That's hassan abdul razak. al hassan. This name this is blue right. Hand down the middle do goes on all back john everybody's name stiffens him out completely nuts did he goes to finish. I'm looking. I'm looking at chaos. I'm like boy. Do you have a perfect name. Has anybody been named more perfect chaos. You were born with crypt like this rick in power you right handed and you hit resigned. Hassan in just puts him down on his back. He was crazy man crazy one of the many highlights from this past weekend a fun night and of course you have see back this weekend. You have c two fifty five pay per view card. We'll get to that card in a second you'll be on the call your back coach. You have ready to play. But i want to go back to our friend. Dustin who did signed his contract. You see your doesn't hate you. I wanna update the world. Because we were saying he was on the verge of losing it. He signed his contract. You said that. And i could tell you. Dc right now. According to my sources that the talks with connor are moving in the right direction but not a done deal just yet so it is worth noting that the talks with are moving in the right direction but not a done deal just yet. This of course for january twenty third so one to congratulate dustin on getting the fight signing the deal making it happen taking our advice to heart and you know coming to his senses. And that's how you take credit for everything grinding everything. This is just what we talked about behind the scenes. I won't get too far into it. But what a what about by the way. What about kobe showing on instagram. That he did use ida test last week. Man i'm ca- i'm saying this whole retirement thing is if you retire. Why are you doing. Why are you doing you saw testing. What's going on you know. I think he leaves the door open. I mean dana said a while back. I told him go. Get out of the ring and take not all that you did. Yes he did. But i still do. Sada at this. Point is fun. You know they show up you know. Make me still feel like an athlete. I'll say the testing pool. It's fine sometimes. It's fun to just get tested randomly. Why would you wanna get test. He's had forty seven times. Yeah i'm a yeah. I meant like fifty five but i'm trying to break the record. I'm just trying to stay out ahead of everybody. So yeah that's why it's not a big deal. You're still getting tested. Yeah sometimes so. I thought i thought you take yourself out out of the rankings and initially i was gonna get out of decided but then i was like you know what i'm just going. Stay in the us. Why are you serious. Are you serious are you. What's the point. I do it. Because i'm just trying to stay all right. I'm just trying to keep more negative tested jones. I'm just trying to keep you keep doing forward. Jones never catch me. That's it like victory over. dc. Here's your daily whereabouts reminder. You see you. Can you see why would you still do. This is fun one more. That's one more negative test. I'm not ahead of these guys. You know yeah why not. This is the time you can really friendships. I've made friendships with these auto people. You know deb. The lady's name is deb. She comes. We hangs out drink coffee. Yeah just tested for. Why not you know people are going to spin this into you. Keeping the door open for your. That's not happening. It's just literally because i enjoy continuing to get negative test. It's to show everyone that it's easy to do it. Don't cheat and you will never fail it. Did you see what yancy medeiros said on twitter about testing. That is You want me to tell you. Want me to tell you an interesting story about me up. Sure go ahead okay. So i would go to take my tests at times. And i'm kind of a despicable person and when you can't if they come right after peed i try to drink a lot of water and coffee while at times that makes my stomach hurt and have to go to the bathroom solid. Go to the smallest bathroom in my house holds the door. Sit sit to number two. That's what i would do. The guy's like oh man so you wanna come to my house and i'm cutting weight. I'll take you in these smallest bathroom in the house. Like you gotta sit there like. That's what i would do guy. Poor guy pouring. Thank you for this information area. I am despicable man. Like in the would look at me like seaman. I thought that i was just bad. But you're terrible. You can do this man again. I'm like hey let's go upstairs real quick to that bathroom. It's like a closet and he's in there with you. God that's the worst it's not worth. Are we fragile to know whom you if you had to do. A you sort of test for me i would. I would come. I run to go right now for your sit there. Why go upstairs and do that. We're gonna talk more about this Lightweight division which is constantly in the news but i e c Speaking of you know Being in the bathroom and whatnot. How about our good friends over manscaping love mascot right. I mean these guys are the best the holidays as you know. Dc will be here before you know it. So it's time to gear up and give the gift of shaving this holiday season. I'm talking about the manscaping. Perfect package three-point manscaping lawnmower. Three point has proprietary advanced can save technology and it's waterproof so you can use it in the shower the lawnmower three point. 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And please be sure to use the code area and most importantly support them because they support now to help you with that. Remember us to help you with that league. They support us more dan. Because do this all no more. No more i'm done. I'll have jumped off the bandwagon until they started doing. Use the dc. it's over. Well let me ask you about this bandwagon. Because tony ferguson has been very active on social media over the last two days Basically begging begging to be added to the last pay per view of the year. You have c two fifty six december twelfth. It's been hit by injuries right. We're supposed to get Versus burns we were supposed to get amanda nunes versus meeting anderson. Both those fights are officer. Were left with just one title fight at least as of right now jamais sterling. Here's tony ferguson. Begging to be added. And i got news for you dc. I don't think he's going to be at it. He wants to. Michael chandler chandler not responding at all. What do you make of this whole situation. Doesn't it seem like a layup. So yes it does my question. Is this the with chandler. What's what's what's the plan for chandler. What's the plan. Or what's the hope for chandler. Not only from the organization but from mike like who they want. I think the most legitimate fight is to take. I mean tony ferguson. That's an insane. Fight that fight if you get past ferguson. Now you no one contender in. Not many people can argue that. Maybe he i don't know i don't know i. I haven't figured out why. I haven't heard anything yet about chandler. Is you have debut. That's i'm very interested about. And i believe that him versus ferguson. Makes all the sense in the world as a media star power to pay per view. Now that has only vocal hausky is vulcanized. Five algebra you need. You need another name to fight card. I'm sure they're working on it behind the scenes but seems like a layup gophers in verses channel on their. He's putting videos very nicely. Produce videos by the way putting out and he's getting no response. I'm told that he's hitting a brick wall like it's not looking good for him to be added. This reminds me of a couple of years ago when there was marla mariah versus. Henry's the who don't chicago and also valentina versus just guy. They needed some beefing up. So they added ferguson. Versus donna tony. Here's tony ferguson. yet again remember. He saved the day back in. May jacksonville trying to save the day. Beef up this card before whatever reason. There are no takers in dc. You know what. I kind of feel like right now. I sort of feel like michael. Chandler is debut this this is shades of kurt. Angle nineteen ninety nine. He's he's he's cleancut. Good looking right. He's got perfect physique. I feel like he's kind of a he'll right now because i he enters the company title fight that no one really thought of sense then. You have already campaigning for him. And he's like not on now. You have tony ferguson. is michael chandler. And he'll is he like perfect. Like the perfectly groomed when they're when they're perfect. It makes you want to not it makes you want to boo the guy right. What's going on here. So michael no cell. Everybody know so. That would be great. If michael chandler ends up in a title fight that would be the ultimate operating in there and just like you know what tony ferguson. You're you're calling me out. It's not for a bill. Rda in mexico you know. He's an interim title fight or even the did the lightweight title white. That would just be the greatest thing in the world because it would make people just dislike him. And if i'm chandler. I'm just steering right into it. I mean if all that hate is often. I'm just turning. My car is hard left as i can't. I'm going right into the hate because like you said. Many e- seems to do on the surface. He seems to do everything right. Tracy hardy looks good. He's physically strong but it almost seems as dole right now coming in in the way that he did. It's almost like the silver platter is getting handed to them. Because how does a guy that's about to make his debut. Have that much say or no say in terms of responding to all these that have been here for years. They can't get a like this. Acknowledge of it's crazy to watch you guys. Put them over like no other on the broadcast. He's there with talk show. He did such a great job. He commanded he commanded the screen. He was very well spoken. He turned to me. He turned to attic. You could see that this guy a tight or through his lifetime. You could see it. He's warner title. He's been in the spotlight. He understands how he needs to behave in front of a camera. Or maybe or maybe as as our producer. Sean is telling me now. Maybe he's john cena early days. John cena he so perfect at everyone turns on the guy. Because i feel it is just so perfect but yet like dc. How do you not respond to ferguson. Ferguson is putting out produced. Video packages like ferguson. Went out and made his own video package and it wasn't just like something on his phone like this was high level stuff mean it might be even better tonight so what. He's putting so much effort it he just too. I'm too big for you. Tony ferguson. that's crazy. I'm just gonna wait here for visual here. Feige be maybe you got. I was just going to be like really. He said you know could be said. He's walking away because he can. Either you come back and be thirty or twenty nine chandler said it could be twenty nine channels to say that i missed that line by nine. Chandler don't like michael chandler just sitting there going. You know what. I'm going back and fighting iraq. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think i've ever seen a guy come into the ufc. It had this approach. It's kind of brilliant in some respects. But i would love to see that fight added to the twelve twelve. Would love museum fight fight somebody alternately. As far as murchison makes sense of the world. it does but as fun as we're as this is so fond and he did he'll he's gonna have to fight someone he ain't gonna just get habib bar mcgregor so we who that person's is going to be and of course with regards to mandate and megan anderson. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise for the one forty five pound. Division delays things a little bit kayla harrison debut as one forty five or later this week in. What is very packed. Mma scheduled this weekend so we'll see what happens there but as of right now. We don't have a new date for format nunez versus megan anderson. Now that's twelve twelve dc. I gotta talk to you about twelve nineteen because look dc. We got a lot of big fights coming up. We got the big fights to end the year. I don't know honestly. Can i be honest with you right now. I don't know if i've ever been more excited. For a non title fight than i am for leon edwards leon rocky edwards. Harrison's by these to be right now this is going to. Because i talked to leon last week so i wanna report back my feelings. Dc this is the last fight in the last card. The last main event of twenty twenty. What is twenty twenty two thousand twenty the year that kicked everyone in the grind right. Everyone suffered some kind of battle is like oh gosh. I can't wait to get the next year. let's get over. yes what what. it's like. What bad can happen. Next is the question. Yes it's just like one bad thing. After the next year when the pandemic started the first main event the first car. That canceled was leeann edwards versus woodley march. Twenty first i'm going to look at four liens year and who has been screwed time and again in twenty twenty. Could you imagine if the year ends with leon edwards who is the symbol for everyone getting kicked in the groin. This year the year ends with leon edwards getting his hand raise leeann edwards. Who told me last week that he thinks the company is rooting against them. The company failed beating the golden boy. The breakout star the wolf cubs. You can't read a better screen. Visible wishes he had this little. A burnt-out coming out there. That's the last you fade to black. The kurds come down. And it's leon rockies with his hand raise what's better. You can the fact that that's the last fight of this year with leon against hump side. Who's kind of the who's who's been the biggest beneficiary of twenty twenty twenty. Yes as you buy of. Has he's one of the very few people in the world. That two thousand twenty has been good to most people are like one in this year comes out if he could live in two thousand twenty for the rest of his life with the way things have been going from making his debut. Having those two fights in two weeks to knock in gerald being at five dollars and sitting next to dana white in legitimately becoming a star overnight it feels like but now he's got liane edwards if he ll has if he loses fight in the end of the year. Hey hey in listen. Liana was eight fights row. Liane edwards is as good as come. This is a massive step up for homs. Brodus is crazy because if he wins. He'll skyrocket to the moon right. I mean are we looking at. How are you're my winds. Are we looking at a situation where you start going. Old gilbert v gilbert. You waited like this guy comes on for like three years. Carry right like it's like he did everything gilbert did homicide is doing right now. Taking every fight fighting the guys he wins. It's massive. how do you deny liane edwards anything. He's the one that the fight sums at sitting there at the table with dana white leeann edwards. Can't even get a meeting with data geddes incidents vocal as you can take it out of the rags for twenty four hours. Because he didn't accept the dc. I just think if they sell this the right way. Leon edwards represents the every man who has been screwed over and twenty twenty who has seen his hopes and dreams dashed time and again this year. And he's going up against the done leon bad. I'm surprised liane talk to you. There's the he deemed the mixed martial arts on monday h. By monday afternoon. And they promise never talked to you again. I'm surprised liane still talking. It's so funny. Because liens said a air i can't i can't do his accent. I was about to do you and i are cool. I know you're the only one in this. Sport was had my back literally the only one but that guy dc who i trained with rocky of american kickboxing academy who took me under his wing back in the day this would never say that rusty would never say that you go look at the never turn his back on me. Leon leon lease. Leon jimmy my brother because this is nonsense. Don't let this don't let this number one guy gets you. Don't let one listen. This is what he said. This is the part that really stuck with me. He said he added dc. I'm just disappointed. Oh come on what he said. He's reminding friday knows anybody that is in this world. Know that if your parents they're disappointed and use bad rocky didn't say that. Not leon. Leon you did not say that message meal guys job as a wedge between us. I'm the guy remember leon. I was the guy that was trying to give you the nick d. as vita when he gave back with area was trying to put you in in our area might be you know what i was trying to fight for the bubble. We're not going to rehash that one. Because i me in all kinds of trouble nineteen. I can't wait if they need me to fly down to the apex and sell this. I mean is it time for me to make the mid to ask a favor throw throw me to the back and just be like for more on this fight. Let's go to our correspondent area. Hawaii and i will cut a promo on. That used to be that as we dig. Hey hey hey now now is care by in now. Let's go back to area. Who wanna in the locker room with dc after his first law. I'm in there crying and now looking back area hawaii standard with the president. Dana white aid area boy. You just i mean. I have never seen a situation where you went from the pit house. Down to the on zoom. Where where what happened this you would happen. Well tell you about another guy. That i'm very now i'm gonna ask i'm gonna ask it. Hopefully we can get started again. I mean i just hope that the asking doesn't end up with me in the same position. Lacroix when you're when you're there this weekend for ufc two fifty five. I'm john asked. Let's just throw it out. Tweets just the tweets. That's all i want the tweets on the tv. Wait you want your tweet on the tv. Yeah some followers and the boom you know the other day. I actually had you in my tweet. That made it onto the broadcast and it was like wiped out. It was ill. Shooter was mistake all my tag poll fell the rug. I forgot about that wiped out. Let's just hit lead. Delete delete in. Now we're gonna put this up. You still tag them wrong. So i'll help you with your social media. Which is a token. Social media is bad horrible. It's one of the worst social your punctuation your twitter. Don't tag the right. People you start tweets like with a period when it should be a period. It's like you a period. That's the problem you so you started to d- somebody told me that we period are common. The beginning dot com. That's horrible knows. Said you put it in the beginning. Because then he goes to people that aren't following you or something like that a period yet. It's a mess anyway. let's talk about. Ufc two fifty five. That's this weekend. We got two titles and we got the return. I mean leon's by guy no doubt about it but you know you know what i said. I was on the david figueredo bandwagon before everyone. This guy hairstylist. Sushi chef taxi driver. He's a true renaissance. This dude the face figueredo though loving people people knocking this pay per view. I would pay one hundred and sixty dollars. I would love to watch view this whole hair. I cannot have this conversation again with you about david vigorito. I just can't as i we've done it. We've done it. I can't do it anymore. But the fights this weekend. Yes unbelievable davidson figure. Rachel showed power and skills at one twenty five. That makes them so scary. He looks like he'd be a long reigning champion from the first vitas knockout to the second where he literally dominated job from. Start to finish and we have not seen. You'll be dominated like that. I mean dj. The dj even dominated him in the way that davidson. Did i mean deejay did knock him out in like a minute. And but twice right before weiss sagging time wasn't as bad right now the second time naga but the first one was was a little bit better like there was one fight those kind of competitive toronto. Yeah like but like he got dominated by davison figueredo and he just choked him unconscious. He beat him on. You mentioned it never happened if you ask me. He beat him on the feet. Didn't he dominated him on the ground he just really out hustle them but then alex perez aerial. I mean when you watch alex perez from where. He started to where he is today. He's improved leaps and bounds. I think that these guys fighting on saturdays a guarantee good fight and it shows why the great triple c. Champion champion champion. Who really did the whole entire mix mars community a favor by fighting and get the division brought back because this is a talented class. I just can't wait to see what shirt davison wears to the flakes. Remember the last time us wanted that like. I don't know what that was like. I was saddened or some. It was still glass was still velvet. Actually looked like a velvet. You're wearing sunglasses. This is a big deal for contender. Series by the way because Out first contender series product to fight for a belt. So you know. Dana white's excited about that right because this sort of validates to show. I remember when forced griffin fought for the bow. Bacne ultimate fighter. This is sort of the same type of thing but dc. There's there's there's two other flights on the card brandon marino and And royal. There's only twenty two to twenty two flights in the ufc right now under contract. But i feel like the division with davidson figueredo leading. The way isn't a pretty good spot like this is viable and then to have brueghel and any loving big loving marino. Have him in mclovin about the fight this week in that just gives you a clear number one contender to write fighting on the same night raw val looked like an. He's been insane since he made his debut. I called his debut. He beat a kid from Kansas city tim. What's elliott elliott submitted. Him in the final island that he had was just madness against was a guy's name the english guy right. The guy isn't kaikoura. France was kickoff No from australia from australia car france that was a crazy fight hurt him on the feet and submitted them and then we know how good mclovin is for. As long as he's been around you know brandon marino so it gives a clear number one contender all you can really hope for in a division that was essentially on the cutting blocks not very long ago but with davidson figueredo at the head. It does seem like it can be around for a long time in have exciting fights. And of course i don't want the entire country new zealand. Hate me new zealand. I made a mistake zealand. France city kickboxing israel. Your worst cool hats. sorry about that. Can i tell you an unpopular opinion of very unpopular opinion. And people are gonna hate me for this but this is one hundred percent authentic. I genuinely feel this way. I love the fact that the to flyweight divisions are at the top of this bill. I love that. it's deficit. Figueredo and valentina shevchenko the to flyweight champions male female now. We don't know a lot about like i'll be honest. Yes sure their opponents pres- jennifer. My respectively aren't the biggest names. But you know for an organization that has been accused of maybe not paying the same type of attention and love to the flyways. I think it's kinda cool that the to fly with that they group them together to me goes must see. Tv she must see tv. She's the second best female fighter on the planet right behind miracles to amanda jones as an undersized person that she can compete with amanda who has just dominated everybody else i mean nowadays is a killer but more than anything i think. Would this weekend shows right because you say many cases people talk about this guy's deserving of a title fight but he doesn't get it because he doesn't have a big name this weekend. You got two people getting title fights that don't have the biggest names so they're getting it. Based on what they have done not on their twitter following or their social media or their ability to draw people in there getting because they've earned it legitimate earned her title fight and she's getting out forever earned his title fight. He's getting so. I think it just speaks to the state of division and speaks to the fact that if things are done the right way path to a title fight can still be pretty clear. Yeah the wayne's are going to be interesting because we're just one fight removed figueredo missing. Wait so all the number of times. He's done number of tom and jennifer. Maya has miss wait a times. She's a former invicta. See one twenty five champion you've ufc. She's had some trouble in her last fight against join calderwood. That's how she got the title fight with the win over joanne. This summer she has mistake before that fight so the way in semi on friday are gonna be really interesting to see if you make it. I'm trying to tell you though man like when you're going into your first title fight usually will not leave things to chance. I mean i know. I know people going to say ooh would you fought buffalo. You did this this near the bro. These guys are going to step on the scale. i'd wait. i'm pretty confident. Clip this up jedi clip. This on friday this comes to fruition. Got the return of walking buckley. The man who we ask from hill. I mean knock out of the year no doubt about it. Some pressure though right. Don't you feel. There's a bit of pressure on him to top. That if he goes in there with the idea he needs to top what he did that time. He's going to get himself. Beat you gotta go in and just compete to the best of your ability because the reality is joaquin. Buckley did not plan for that kick to happen if he had planned for it. It would've never happened. You gotta just let yourself competing fight in those big moments are presented to you. Take him and you become an overnight superstar like he become an overnight star like he did with the knock on violent. I wonder if he's gonna try to like you. Don't want because his life changed dramatically as since the knockout. If you try too hard to your point usually happen. Yeah shogun face a lot of a lot of names. The card has been maligned to a degree but there are some names. There's something for everyone on this card so you'll be there. You'll be calling me action. You're back yup me. Joe rogan maggie. The eighteen eight teams back. You know we can't wait to call the fights okay. A few other things that we have to get to a what about last week. We talked of course about paul felder in an rda but Patricia pit bull law looked incredible right. What's up with that dude with that. Like what's up with this pit bull like this dude is crazy. Can i tell you i saw. He knocks out. Pedro carvalho he advances. In the bell tower featherweight grand prix. I think people versus volkogonov sqi. The respective one. Forty-five champions is a very very even fight. A lot of people were calling me crazy for saint like putting out a poll. I put it on a pool and volkov ski won by a landslide. I think it's just because people don't know pit bull. I think pimples one of the most underrated fighters in the sport today. And i think that would be a very close fight crazy. I think i think there's a couple of guys over at bella toward a very tough Douglas lima and they don't get the respect. they deserve. No pit bull. But i think what we see is when channel fights because he's another guided lived at the top of the division in bella tour. We see how he competes in. We'll know if those guys really chandler. Not that i'll go. He moved up from one forty dollars. I get it no. I'm saying that i get it. But we'll chandler. Goes and competes wallet and you know pit bull because he beat him right you are. I know it does work always but you know but when you watched guys leave the ufc bella tour. The vast majority of the come champions. So you know that the level. It's relative but i don't know if all these guys compete i do feel like could there's some guys over there. I think he'd beaten you'll see and he's in the same conversation as you because an and fitting that he actually beat volume on what connemara deemed world champ champ day because he is yeah camp. He sent out nice wishes to us well to you. Manda nunez the celebrate in any particular way. Did you Did you pop some bubbly. Did you know i. i don't know. I don't know who created that. I think might have wasn't the that he won his second. That's the day holiday right so the champ jeb days counter. What is that built. You know what i'm saying i. She didn't reply to him. You didn't say thank you. I mean. I just i just i was out. I did take no. And i appreciate it because there was a time that he did not he. I think he might have took a shot at me with my second bill. You know so. I felt like it was a it was almost. I felt like it was a peace offering. Because the last time he tagged you he called you fat fool so this he did he did he did it. Listen that's the thing about mcgregor right. Mcgregor's he'll do. I don't know macgyver shoulder to shoulder and you know shot. He gave that shot to amanda myself. In rian bro. It's difficult to do with all four of us have done hold into titles at one time is not easy and people should be congratulated for that feet into get it from the biggest star in the sport. It means a lot to to not only myself but amanda an henry. Everybody else and pimples. Well who's a beltway. Double champ ryan bater to tag them easy. It was very very nice. Also in that car by the way your Your friend your old friend. I'm not sure because with an pico. Is he bag is an pico for real. What's going on erin. People's always been real like he's always been extremely talented right. It just took him locking everything down and getting an idea what he wanted to do because for awhile. Cheeks cheeks kind of thought that he can go out and just fight on just fight cheeks. That's his name cheeks. Nickname like cheese yellow cheeks. Why he was a kid when he was a kid he kind of had a little bit. I guess wrong phase cheeks. Anyway he thought you could just go fight or reality is because he's boxing right. He wanted to fight with the mexican style. In your face pressure cain velasquez but with those forums loves. You can't do that. And i think that's why he was getting hit and hurt so often but now he seems to have in writing those guys down. The jackson's have really got him locked in and he's looking phenomenal. Good to see because a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon so that he was a never was and i'll hype. That was a phenomenal knockout. And that he's not fighting top tier guys just a little thing right. There's competition here's been a step back competition. And maybe he needed that but eventually he's going to have to go back to that level where all these new tactics he's gonna have to implement them into His approach even His approach with tougher fights speaking of our peak. Oh by the way. Wanna give a shout to our team online. Espn dot com slash team today dc. The unveiled a list that you have long not been a part of the top twenty five under twenty five fighters in mma right now on the twenty five right. He's twenty four unbelievable. 'cause he's been fighting. It seems like he's been around forever already. He comes in at number four. Any guesses as i mean. It's tough to put you on the spot like this number one. It's really i. I don't really know a tough. Why don't really know many people. Like i just try to figure it out like right before i do. I do my research. And i learned but you call me. Let me think. Let me think under twenty five. I don't think you're going to get it. Not because he's not fought last week and that's pretty good she might coursing one mckenna and she's never one court mccain is number one no she's not she's did those rankings blasphemous her name for god's sakes hey three right away. Those rankings are not good because she's not number one after that performance last weekend. There's no way anybody should be ranked above her. Jimmy crew number one. Okay well maybe. I'll those rankings a little bit as good. I forgot jimmy crude but twenty fours. Corbis telling you call mckinney's she'll be right up there. Top two three. Isn't that a basketball player. Edmund shahbazi number two about him to you. Ed mission wasi he to be like number one song you dong number. Three product of alpha male like corey mccann and number four is an pico number five brandon allen so a lot of the under twenty five or brennan should be number one. He's from louisiana right. You just lost badly right. Listen i mean. I don't know what are you asking me is he. How is he from. is he from north louisiana. I have to look. These are the types of things that you normally know off the top of your own guys fallen off. he's fallen off is. I don't know. I just sitting here on on an island by myself. Trains out of sanford emma for anyone wants to help me out with the whereabouts of brandon allen. Anyway go check out that list. All right it's on com slash. It was for you had good job today. Ma team and you know talking about repeal. Hey channel to jordan burroughs. The greatest wrestler of this generation last week and took on a very tough saheed valencia in beat him in an all-star match outweighed babol twelve pounds. You know for years. I've talked about jordan burroughs. Talking to my jaw rose with russians. Saying he could beat all the russians. Everybody chose against mariel thank you. Hey i had a chance to see. Y'all must've forgot jordan burroughs. He went out there. Did his thing one again mesler. Yeah to jordan. Berle's get it done and yet shot up the jordan burroughs. One of the all time greats. Hey shut to your hairline last week you boy did you see that feel. Remember that man. I can't believe you screen grabbing that i've been holding to. Why did you do that. Shit almost seven years january of two thousand fifteen. You call me right. Before ryan beta xanthi johnson s prudential center in newark and. You're like look at this. Look what happened to me. I just went to a random barbershop. Look what they did and of course of course screen grabbed it date. What did they do tell us what they have. This never happened to me in. Newark i to just in newark. And they're cutting my hair. And i can feel the guy like putting these hair. Follicles and aaron like paint. It was almost like paint and he starts building my edge up in i. I'm looking at it. I know i'm kind of looking good. But then i started thinking you people made notice that this is not my real hair line. Started to get a little bit. Worried have the carlos boozer's situation started into my head and i was like you know i don't wanna keep this but if i should probably ask someone for an opinion so i called you thinking i could trust you. Use screen grabbed me. You screen grabbed me. At least seven years was it was it because i got you catfish that one night when for dinner or something i eat fried catfish. And you're like no. I don't know if i can't believe he gave fried catfish. This is the bottom just time to to reveal it and bring back some good. So what did you do. Did you wash it off. Or i was in the bathroom like really scrubbing it. Like having to scrub it out of my hair in what. I went on the show tonight. It's still was there a little bit so if anybody can find the show from that fight night it was still kind of in there like i still one of my greatest shows because i felt like i just looked so much young in vibrio back now now that the island has gone. Good good shave head. It takes five minutes. I literally five minutes from just shave. Been buzzing my head. I love it. You don't have to fade nonsense. All that i mean who needs sitting in the barber chair having to go meet people having to deal with the fact that you just look ridiculous when you get a haircut like. I don't know why i don't know why. Wait so long because honestly i had to say so myself. I'd be remiss. If i didn't say i took i look very good right now. You know. I think the ball head in foods me you said. I said you had a horrible weekend and in many respects you did than we can because the whole has five thing but you did have one. Great thing happened to me. If i'm wrong you were finally. I don't know how this is possible. Twenty years later introduced to the legend. Larry david yeah. Yeah start watching party. What is it called. The called party interruption curfew enthusiasm. Do go down good. that will come down. Yes yes. I watch curb your enthusiasm. It's my favorite show. The world over never saw this show. No it's fantastic. This larry david out of his mind row. He's out of his mind. He really really kind of reminds me of you a little bit. I'll take that as a compliment. I think a lot of people don't have his money so don't be too complicated but like the fact that he acts like he's like neurotic the way he acts. I'm like wow. This is aerial aerial acts like this. He acts like this. I can't believe it took you this long to watch this. Well i i love seinfeld seinfeld that it would be good but it's really good. It's been real good. So you're like binging. And now you're done with the beverly hillbillies you're onto beverly hillbillies for months man. I just it'd be a great show. So i think i do like vpi every day at four o'clock so shut up. I just i got confused in my words. Curb your enthusiasm twenty years later this guy. He's starting watch it all. of course i watched it. It's it's one of the greatest tv shows of all time one of the greatest sitcoms. Not as good seinfeld. I will say nothing will ever be as close the early eighties moves. See what's his name. James moose character a sub. What's his name some black. Oh gosh he's so funny. Beyond leon black layoffs on the old black is the man. He's the man. I love that show. I love it. Well that's warmed my heart when you said that you know i felt like you want to maybe get a little closer to jewish culture. Because i actually started. I asked him i asked. Brad slater go. Hey do those jewish guys act like larry. David does as narrow does he goes aerial. Does seem like you guys. Do you act like that very weird. Dc we've been doing the show for almost an hour actually a little bit over an hour still not as long as it took for nevada to figure out the replay only bill not as long. Can you believe that. did you see that. And then well so one of the issues for me is right and i had to really be careful with the way i talk about these commentators because i said something about sergio mora enjo- tour wants crazy on you. Remember that i remember that l. mad. I'm just trying to tell you the truth. Like if you. I should be telling you i mean i do it. I don't mind criticism but tim bradley. Joe test was so mad they were so mad. And i'm watching it and there were times already. Kinda came together doesn't look like he was the head but that caused the but you knew right. You knew dealing with nevada all these years. There was no way they were going to change that we did. We could have saved thirty minutes because there was no way they were going to change that. It was like everyone's upset but you know that that call wasn't getting in autumn. It didn't get changed and the one that was being unreasonable. Dray right andre ward was guys. Let's just wait till we get a decision right. He can feel it he. He can feel it in his boundary awards so like into a box. Despite he sense might have been like england. Like this ain't get j.j. so we go so far left real look like idiots when they don't take this call so he was kinda trying to bring bradley and tested for little bit in eventually. Call chase. could you imagine your boy. Atlas on there they were never went off. Air said would have been talking to four in the morning. If he was doing it. That would have been amazing. I feel bad for that kid. Maloney but shut to a terence crawford another great performance to get to see him fight. I go space terrorist. Africa terrorist crawford sons fantastic rustler's you will not believe how good is kids are as rustler's they've got a great little club out of omaha. We see them on national scene for our youth t but has some little boys. That are insane. Rustler's listen covered himself was a good little wrestler when he was growing up in. That was another classic tears crawford performance on saturday. The right who didn't look that bad until you watch the slow motion and he just starts killebrew. We're out of time dc. Flies by it really. Does we gotta wait a whole seven days by two. We're getting to the next week. James harden will be a net. Who knows what will be going on now. Ruined for the nets to assure goes debts. I'm all if you if the houston rockets. Straight james artem out. I'm out okay. i'm out. I'm not into rock. In the rockets trae james hardie russell westbrook in the span of a month. I'm out area. It's over like nobody does that. And also daryl morey. There are more kids staying. There are more. You actually screwed us so bad like you got rid of everything. We have no draft picks. We have no draft picks and no tradable assets. What in the world do dudas man like come on analytics. Build a team of analytics. He you know he created this. He created analytics like made up. This analytic opposed to basketball in now. We stuck with no draft picks for players to trade or bring people in like daryl. Morey screwed us man. I'd almost feel bad few but the way in which you started today show makes me never want to feel bad for you all right so on that note safe travels to las vegas. Ufc two fifty. Five i look forward to being on the call getting me on the broadcast. You can mention you put my to matter. Just make it happen. My man and the texans traded the andre hopkin end thing going on in texas what they got going on in texas and turn it turn upper management. This is crazy. thank you to manscaping. Thanks to all of you thanks. 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TWiCH 558: Console Spec-tacular!

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TWiCH 558: Console Spec-tacular!

"Coming up with us. We can computer hardware playstation and xbox series acts we got real specks people new IPAD pro and air get magic advice on choosing you audio gear and some help picking out. Gpu's coming up next on twitch this week in computer hardware has brought you from last past studios keeping passwords on notre spreadsheets. Doesn't work anymore. Last pass easily keeps track increase unique passwords for every site. You visit visit last past dot com slash twit podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is tweet. This is twins this week computer hardware episode five hundred fifty eight recorded on March nineteenth twenty twenty. It's a console spectacular and the twins this week. Computer Hardware twits weekly. Sailed aims to bring you all the hardware news with minimal Kovic nineteen coverage because quite frankly. That's what everybody else is. Talking about. Patting Norton joined as always by Mr Sebastian peak editor in chief. Pc per sir. Have you begun to hack yet? No if if by hacking cough now I did. Oh my goodness. Yeah the Nice thing about being a nerd Which counts Many of your host and the people listening to the show today is that social distancing just feels like Tuesday but with more intensity Little Familia joke there We should probably just skip straight to the harbour news Bunch Apple Newsweek bunch of console news this week year. Cata stoked about what's going on with the xbox and the playstation I think in no small part because actual details seem to be emerging. Okay yeah the for anybody who follows PC hardware like idea. We've been waiting for hard specs. We've seen rumors for a while about what is going to include. We already knew that. The new generation consoles from both Sony and Microsoft. We're going to have amd inside so the newest Zen to architecture for this EP. Which you've already seen for desktop and there are also going to feature the second generation of MD's our DNA architecture and exactly what's That includes. We haven't really been briefed on that yet from. Amd But it's it's kind of Nice 'cause we're getting a preview of desktop here starting with the series ax which they've revealed has eight cores so it's eight customs and two cores. They're going to be running at says. Three Point Eight gigahertz Or three point six Gigahertz with MT This is something I know. There's been some discussion about this. We could have separate discussion about this another time whether or not having smtp which is symmetrical multiprocessing. A lot of people know it as hyper threading on the Intel side how that impacts gaming performance sort of interesting discussion turning it off apparently can sometimes increase single Single threaded boost numbers that sort of thing but the GPA is. What's really impressive here? Xbox is going to have the series x is going to have a custom. Rda TO GPU with twelve teraflops performance. This is based on fifty to compute units. Which is approaching It's it's higher than what we have on desktop. Currently first of all it's it's like a real computer but more so like the the current high end amd graphics card. Since the radio on seven was discontinued anyway is the Rx fifty seven hundred x t that has forty units. If I'm not forgetting this is significantly higher fifty two and it's apparently clocked at one point eight to five Gigahertz so and then other specs round this out sixteen gigs of memory. That's the number. We saw bursts with the radio on seven card voices. It's GONNA be. Gd are six and not high bandwidth memory and It's partition which is kind of interesting. The ten gigs graphics and then the remaining six split between the operating system and other reserved memory and then it has a one terabyte. They're describing it as a custom envy ame. Ssd So other specs are available from Microsoft. That it's it's interesting. I also appreciate the fact that actually both of these new consoles are going to have a hd blu-ray drive built in which of course the xbox already has but As we move onto Sony. That's something that they've added as well finally the even the PS four pro didn't have hd drive kinda surprising as Sony Product. But as another discussion I guess still I mean this is. These are really powerful specs. And they're more powerful than anything. We have on desktop right now at least from. Amd Twelve teraflops is a lot we. That's not quite the level of an arctic twenty-eight Ti but you're getting close to an RT x twenty and we all know that consoles that kind of get down to the metal more they optimize for the hardware a little bit better than they tend to on pc so developers are gonna be able to get a lot out of this in theory and the raw numbers are really impressive. So obviously they're going to be targeting four K. gaming at good frame rates here it would be nice if they deliver those. It's it's funny. You mentioned the disc on the on the Sony. Because for Robert was so frustrated. Playstation two is such a world class place to three Seth playstation three Was such a World Class BLU ray player and A- and then they just walked away from it on the playstation for Richie always found just Sad it made him sad but It's I see it coming back. I'm curious how that's kind of. I'm kind of curious to see what that gets used for Presumably for Blu Ray playback curious kind of what the support is going to be in and if anybody is going to be selling games on disc Remember when Games came on discs? I feel like that's a thing still And it's it but it's the delivery is so slow. I would love to see everybody adopted with a switch and just bring cartridges. How about slightly larger much faster flash based cartridges to eliminate these eighty and one hundred gigabyte downloads for games and some depending on where you live. I don't know who this was pointed out. I think it was on twitter the other day. Somebody pointed out that depending on where you live. It's actually faster to download a game than it is to just install it from an optical disc which can be true if you live in a country that has ultra fast fiber. Internet obstacle drives are not known for speed there going on for so true. Well okay so what's going on What's going on the other side of the console fence at this point? Although technically we'd need a three-sided fence to count Nintendo but at this point I think the fence that we're all really curious about as the playstation versus xbox fence by my standards. I mean I. It works for me as a transition but really the the relationship between Sony and Microsoft is. They're they're closer than they are The the last few generations they both share a lot of the same hardware. So they're they're both running on. Amd PLATFORMS CUSTOM CORES ARE DNA to graphics was interesting about the playstation announcement. What was really surprising and probably made. Microsoft fans very happy was that they're going with a significantly lower configuration for the GPO Salim Architecture. But it's only thirty six compute units. They're clocked higher. So it'll be interesting to see what the relationship between fewer faster compute units versus Moore but slower could beat units definitely on the Xbox side. They're going to have an advantage with real time. Ray Tracing there's more cores to devote to that and then on the playstation side yet it's clocked. Faster sack let me see here. It's two point two three gigahertz but it's variable frequency this is this has been concerning some In since the announcement yesterday ten point two eight teraflops is the rated Capability of this. But I believe that is at the maximum frequency so depending on what you're doing it could be lower than that. Which would lower the actual effective performance. I think down into the nine teraflops range. Same kind of memory interface. Still Talking Sixteen Gigs of GDR. Six memory lots of memory bandwidth a custom eight hundred and twenty-five gig. Ssd So not quite a terabyte. Their I o through Numbers are apparently going to be quite high. There's been speculation as to exactly what this customer sixty is. Who might be making it. I know one speculated might be custom Samsung just from the layout configuration number of channels. That sort of thing. We'll have to see one. Nice thing about the Sony design. Is that while not as powerful? Obviously on paper as xbox. It seems like there's will be easier to upgrade because off the shelf dot to end the. Ssd's can be installed upgraded as long as they meet certain speed requirements which reminds me of that Microsoft Initiative The the flash based SPEEDUP features that just had to have a certain read write performance to be enabled windows windows seven era. I can't remember the name of that now but because it was a long time ago and it wasn't really that well adopted was that called anyway. so yeah. It seems like the playstation five while a huge upgrade over the even the PS four pro is is not going to be able to touch the at least the theoretical performance of the xbox. So if you to buy these strictly on specs if you're buying same AAA games that come out on every console you just want the absolute best graphics. Obviously we have to wait and see but it seems like the xbox will have the edge there so it'll probably come down to like exclusive titles if there's something that there's a timed exclusive on as it always seems to but these are very very close and I I really appreciate the fact. They both have those you. Hd drives even though obstacle based entertainment. Seems to be sadly already kind of obsolete but as long as they still make the discs keep on I was gonNA say. I'm GONNA pretend you didn't say that. Oh my goodness What's the rising nine the forty nine hundred eight? H Mobile Gaming processor. Well it's really similar to the high end processor that had already released. We've we heard about these. Four thousand series processors see. Yes so it's been a while. Just starting to see products either announced or hitting the market with the newest Reisen processors and the forty nine hundred age basically is a higher clocked. Forty eight hundred eight so that was interesting about it is that they didn't increase the TDP. They have this this little process note advantage right now at seven nanometer that allows them to do things like this where they they've probably been binning these and now have the confidence maybe the they call them like the the learnings on seven nanometer. Whatever it is to basically scale up clock speeds so not only. Do you have a higher base clock of its three point three gigahertz versus two point nine. But they've also increased the boost frequency by another two hundred megahertz. So the forty eight hundred eight which is A. It's an eight core. Sixteen threads sepia serious. Cpu FOR LAPTOP. It already was impressive with boosts of up to four point. Two this one just takes it a little bit higher. It's the same. Core Count was interesting though is that they increase the graphics cores. They're still using Vega graphics with these. These have integrated graphics But they've gone from seven to eight cores. And they're claiming that these Vega graphics are up to fifty nine percent faster than previously and the majority of that is from the process shrink. So these are these are seven nanometer via graphics baked in so they're just a little bit from performance improvements. They are able to clock it higher. But they're saying the majority of these Performance Games came just from drinking it. Down to seven nanometer which. There's a lot of other things going on here. I didn't get into like the way they're measuring temperatures. And there's this new technology that they have the way they're actually measuring boost to do boost duration the actual skin temperature laptop etc all of that's been revised and they're getting gains there as well so they're kind of looking at the laptop as you know the way that they should really which is an entire ecosystem. It's a small a small form factor. It's Integrated Graphics. It's you know maximizing boosts frequencies for as long as you can while maintaining certain thermal limits and Battery Life Concerns. And that sort of thing. But I find all this fascinating. I can't wait to get hands on with a seven nanometer laptop. That's using you know the latest either like the forty nine hundred eight or the forty eight hundred h and see if really a mobile. Ap is enough for mainstream gaming at this point. Although I I'm sure a lot of these laptops that feature the high end rise in parts will also be paired with high indiscreet parts. We've already seen rising laptops paired with saying RT x twenty six t mobile which which is a great pairing. It's just interesting to see. You know what not only this means for laptops but what it will mean for the low power ultra small form factor desktop that might utilize something like this and what it means for the next generation of AMD AP US as well. And I hope that by the time I hit desktop the next generation I would hope by the end of this year whenever the consoles come out that would be seeing our DNA too as well. But it's coming. I'm sure but right now. It's kind of weird. How many years has it been? Since we've had consoles announced with higher specs than desktop graphics which used to be kind of the norm arcades here at the Three d graphics feels like that happened. It hasn't happened in approximately forever Yeah it's well no but it's it's interesting because even even when the last generation of consoles were launched it was still like this is a solid mid tier. You know and I can't decide if they're trying to make it more compelling for PC gay manufacturers or if they're trying to give them a longer life on or you know you just kind of trying to start with a longer lifespan for the consoles So that they can go even longer without updating them. Or you know if it's just some weird kind of lay synchronous well. We're just going to up our game considerably kind a moment Which actually almost makes sense given. How much Nintendo Intendo is fairly modest graphics performance But they have just phenomenal games on them. So maybe they feel like they need deliver a vastly improved graphical experience and phenomenal games. I don't know I'm kind of curious to see you know what the Games look like. And what the relationship is between PC gaming and the and the console gaming when those ship curious curious new nine hundred ninety nine dollars macbook air some big changes for air first of all starts at two hundred fifty six gigabytes of Ram. Maxes out at two terabytes Apple's claim up to twice the performance the previous generation of macbook airs And this is also the first time air has offered a quad core. Cpu's quote featuring the latest tenth generation Intel core processors. At one point you Gigahertz Quad core. I said with turbo boost speeds up to three point eight GIGAHERTZ which I'll give you. A hint is not going to be nine ninety nine Do Magic Keyboards Benadryl back? Book or basically the Magic Keyboard design that was introduced the macbook Pro. Sixteen inch model Quote a redesigned scissor mechanism delivers one millimeter of key travel for comfortable and stable key. Feel while the new inverted t arrangement for the Arrow keys makes them easier to find without looking down So two things about that one You know we went with a standard aero layout to really make it easier for humanity especially humanity that moves between our model and every other laptop slash desktop on the planet and to I think the the the the nine hundred pound elephant in that statement about the Magic keyboard is the simple fact that we've redesigned this keyboard so hopefully it doesn't disintegrate within the first owners lifespan or the second owners life span unlike the magic keyboards or the You know it's a apple. Did Not come across sounding particularly honorable as an organization With the issues with their last generation of Keyboard problems what say that. I don't want to be cruel or anything T to chip in there Good stuff going on As I see them give. Would I feel like a significant Performance bump on the air platform Apple's new IPAD pro Which also gets a magic keyboard With a track pad which is causing folks that right in tweet about surface and IPAD pro physically to freak out There was a giant collection on tech me. M- in a giant collection of tweets and back and forth and this is apple capitulating. No server says to look out. This is incredible but essentially right. Apple's going to update its I work sweet to attract PAT and now supports and You know all sorts of other useful things And IPAD OS thirteen four and. This is good Because as much as people want to have a you know people are just obsessed with having everything being done in In a tactile pokey tablet interface environment. And the reality is is you. Have you know a couple of generations couple of three generations of computer users that are used to using a track pad or mouse in old by the way? Even more importantly there are certain things that it's just easier to do for most people I'm excited I don't really have much to you. Know I. You know my issues with the surface of always been less about the keyboard competition from the IPAD. Pro that it's been about some of their really miserable designs it didn't have the proper. Tdp to let the processors actually function Without overheating and slowing down So you know. Ipad pro utterly and totally beloved by a lot of people and It's always interesting to see people using them and how they use them because they tend to be. I tend to see them a lot in coffee. Shops all around the Americas so apple insider quotes Luke Ventures Gene Munster and says quote the lead time of four key apple products. Four GIGABYTE iphone eleven. The sixty four gigabyte iphone eleven pro air pods pro. In the second generation air pods as measured across. Thirteen countries has significantly improved over the past two weeks and Salute ventures has been tracking the availability on these various Apple products since the middle of February essentially the lead time dropping means. That foxconn is pumping out stuff I E iphones and air pods and probably a lot of laptops given what we're talking about and that China's getting back up to speed on production and I'm just going to say there is life after stroke quarantining and yes. There is product production after social quarantining. So if you've been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for that phone to come back and stock it probably is or at least the you know the wait. Time is probably dropped significantly. Just don't try to buy it in an apple store because they've pretty much all been shuttered outside of China Literally you know. The title I saw was that all of them had been shuttered. Outside of China What's up with fractionals the new it? It case I think they came out with Sebastian. This is the era the era. It Ex. It's it it looks. Yeah the one I linked to. It comes in all different colors. The outside of the case is aluminum. Sculpted ALUMINUM IT I. It looks kind of like I don't know it. It looks like it's supposed to be a fashionable. Like a work of art or a vase or something. The top of it. Just imagine something that has these sort of sculpted side and a wooden top. The one I was looking at was this white ochre silver oak with silver aluminum sides. It looks great and then you actually start looking through especially if you look at the gallery. That rectal site or any of the reviews that have gone up to this point and I think hardware conduct says the best one. I've seen so far on YouTube. They they compressed down. And we've seen these ultra small form factor cases before like the n case m. One and Dan Cases Maniacs case where they sandwich in and squeeze in full-sized components into something that's barely bigger than a console or sometimes as small as a a small shoebox but this unfortunately the way they design this. It seems like air flow is a total afterthought which if think about something. That doesn't have any ventilation on. The front panel is a few perforations on one strip of each side panel and there's a few vents along the bottom. Maybe a half an inch tall. That's it the top is solid. The front is solid. It has one eighty millimeter exhaust fan which apparently is not too loud. It's one of the quieter. Eighty millimeter us but the GP sits on the very bottom of the case with just those little PLA- at a plastic base. So these little plastic cutouts and that's it so if your GPO gets really hot. It's not going to get a lot of help. There's not a lot of Additional Air being drawn in from the bottom of the case so unless you're willing to prop this up on wooden blocks or raise it up further on your desk. Apparently the the amount of space down below the GPA is not quite enough so thermally. It's it's pretty bad So I'm hoping for a two point. No revision of this refracted because it looks fantastic. And it's it's a far less expensive case even at. I believe it's one hundred fifty dollars but considering what the Dan cases case which is over two hundred end case. I'm one these were limited. Run cases that they sell in small batches Through crowdfunding sites. So this is obviously a big mainstream manufacturer so if they're going to bring something ultra small form factor like that. I would just like to see them in operate some more of the ideas now in their defense they did offer a alternate cap for this thing. You don't have to use the pretty solid wood panel you can just put on a piece of Bash. Russia's aid with the thermals but not really enough. It's really just the lack of air intake that makes A bigger jeep. You suffer not the you should put an Arctic twenty eighty in it but when reviewers did it wasn't really pretty so unfortunately it's a beautiful looking thing that you'd have to put a really low in system into to make it work optimally. If optimally is a word I'm going to accept the judge will accept that. What is optimally? Sorry there's been a lot of A lot of Jeopardy in the house last couple of days Mike email twitter twit dot TV. I find myself need of your advice. I'd like to give the new graphics car but I'm kind of confused about which one is the best value. I do game call duty. Modern warfare is my current obsession. Ll elect to stay in the three to four hundred dollar range of possible. I'm sure you guys get a lot of male able respond do understand. I await your reply with bated breath. Mike Excellent baited breath reference. What do you need a whole lot of? Gp You to to make a call duty modern warfare seeing on your monitor as it were it. There's so many variables these questions. It's not quite to the level of what's the best laptop under five hundred dollars. Which when somebody knows you're into computers it seems like that's the number one question has been for years wish graphics card to buy a really popular question and I won't get into the debate of amd versus video as far as driver. Quality goes as Annot Amdi just addressed a lot of the community issues with drivers stability problems recently so just assuming that drivers are identical for a second for just about cost and he was talking the three to four hundred range. Which is a great range if you're interested in any kind of higher resolution gaming and that's really what the issue is going to be if you're gaming at ten eighty p you can buy a great solution for around two hundred three hundred dollars and be very happy if you are using anything. Higher like a an ultra wide monitor or a fourteen forty P monitor You're certainly not gonNA get into four K. gaming in that price range. Unfortunately that's so does not tenable. It'd be great if multi cheap you had been better and was still more of a thing but right now it's the industry and everything that's happened. The last few years has gone back towards single. Gpo's again and if unless you can afford an artsy x twenty eight which is currently the fastest single gaming GPO then that three to four hundred dollar range. Gets you really good fourteen? Forty P gaming or ultra-wide gaming with fewer pixels than four K. And even at high or or ultra detail settings but in that price range if you look at performance from different reviews different graphics cards current generation stuff at Rx fifty seven hundred is right around that three three hundred and fifty dollar range and it gets you really good performance at fourteen forty or and of course tonight. Ep ultimate as well if you compare that to Nvidia at the same price range. That's where the art twenty sixty had been sitting. The prices have dropped on that a little bit closer to three hundred dollars or not really seeing that. Ko Part from earlier this year. That was to seventy nine. That's that was kind of you know I won't say it was just marketing but it's almost impossible to find so for around three hundred three fifty. It's basically Rx twenty sixty versus Arab. Sorry rt x twenty six versus our expertise. Seven hundred If you can spend closer to that four hundred dollar range. It's really interesting though. Because you can get a twenty sixty super which is almost all the way to the performance of an Arctic twenty seventy. This is where the numbers gets really confusing. Because the twenty-seven was the card that was five hundred dollars and then the twenty-seven super came out at five hundred dollars for the twenty seventies are still out there. They typically cost less money than the architects twenty sixty is almost the performance of that original twenty seven so and that is a three hundred ninety. Nine dollars cards. So at that point you're talking entry level fifty-seven hundred x t cards so the way I look at it if you can find an RC. Twenty seventy four on four hundred dollars just to get that if you can't get an artsy x twenty sixty super if you can find a good fifty seven hundred x t for the same price. Get it and we have to be careful though because a lot of the cheaper ones are the blower style cooler. They run very hot and they get quite loud. So unless you're totally fine with that You'd probably want to save up a little bit more and by one of the more expensive aftermarket are XP seven hundred expertise. It's not really an issue. That INVIDIA HAS A. It's not a bias thing. It's really just invidia. Even though they're on twelve nanometers stole they have. Gps that tend to run cooler and the designs. That I've gone hands on with and I've I have examples from ACIS and VGA and MSI and others and even the reference cards the founders edition cards. They're all pretty quiet. We're talking cards living like the thirty five decibel range for your average load where blower style coolers which are still on the least expensive our expertise seven hundred series cards. They're close to fifty decibels at load so very difference Thermal an noise characteristics with those. So if if you don't have brand preference in you're just trying to get the most for your money. It's hard to argue with like the twenty sixty super for example though like I said if you can find a good deal on a twenty seventy five percent faster but don't spend another hundred dollars to get five percent. There's I know you'll be talking about diminishing returns but it's the same with every industry. Twenty sixty s yeah twenty-six good that it's hard to justify spending more on the MD side however the x t version of the fifty seven hundred significantly better so it is worth spending more. So it's been really just depends on what your priorities are. I just want to say how proud I am of. How good a Job? You've done it Containing the utter frustration that the incredible oversaturation of invidious GP MARKET. Their stack of products at prices is right. Now it's a little unhinged put it To to be gracious to be the gracious young man. My mother tried to raise You know hopefully that helps And hopefully you're not gaming on a four K or eight K monitor We got a question I was all excited about Into from Leon not that we weren't excited about GP US But we get to nerd out the different direction for this. One Lyod wrote in got a quick question. My sound system is currently ozone are the sound card a shit magni three amp and sennheiser six. Fifty's what's the weakest part of this setup? Are there any upgrades I made? That would give me a large increase in sound quality or into strong levels of diminishing turns. Leon toes ahead up Zone RDX Is An ACIS sound card Sort of a home theater slash audio files San Card. They make The magni threes a headphone amplifier. And of course sennheiser headphones And you know when buying audio like the first thing I thought of when I looked at this question is is when buying audio. You're almost always in strong level of Strong levels of diminishing returns Especially if it's morphing somewhere in between a hobby and an addiction Or a passion There are some areas headphones in sub woofers Strongly come to mind that where the the products are vastly better than they were five. Ten years ago Sofer's especially suffers there. You know what would have been a three or four thousand dollars for ten or fifteen years? Ago is not a bad three hundred dollar by off Craig's list these days but the reality is is you know a three to five hundred dollar subway for much less a thousand dollars sober for today is vastly better than anything. You could have bought a few years ago. though we're talking about headphones and especially if you start reading online reviews Or for that matter reviews in magazines Expectation buyers for confirmation bias. Plays a huge role in A lot of folks right and I'm a doesn't really matter if you're talking about professionals or people informs People expect to hear things. They come with certain expectations. They have certain take place Case Point Sebastian likes A much more treble heavy headphone than I do and Yeah and it's a much more neutral headphone than he does You know it. It occurred to me and not talking about Spanish. In this case A friend of mine had a fascinating story where he had these headphones that were excruciating in the highs the highest were just way off the chart. They're they're blasted up too much and a of his tried. The bottom with these are amazing. I can really hear the symbols. And the end result was he ended up having his friend. Go to an audiologist And his ear. Canals were basically corkscrew. Us I exaggerate a tiny bit. But essentially his ear. Canals were so dramatically Curved that the only way enough trouble could get through all of these treble gathering nature of all the mucus membranes or wherever it is inside your ear canal That literally like these ridiculously trebled up headphones were the only ones where he'd ever actually heard a lot of the super high end of the instruments So you know individual ears. Very individual tastes vary You know a lot of people especially for the EDM They like a lot of as in a lot of trouble Which of course makes the vocals you know in a singer? Songwriter kind of guitar thing. I say John Craigie or or you know if you're into down here. It is voice but I can't think of his name You know insert name of whatever your favorite. You know person with a piano or guitar. That things is Any case you know a lot of confirmation bias. I bought this three hundred dollars cable. It's really opened up the sound stage when my speakers it's magnificent A Lotta that's You know confirmation bias where it's like. This sounds amazing because I've already expect a lot of money on it and integrated into my system. A lot of that has a funny habit of disappearing when you blind. Ab Test Things At match levels You know one of the things that that people do when they're testing if they're super super super super critical they will make sure that that two different things are matt so that they are you know are pretty much the same exact as measured in DB because it turns out the way your brain processes audio if you listen to to practically identical speakers. One of them is a little louder than the other. You'll be like the louder one is better And it's just a consistent thing happens When scientists look at how people pick what audio they like So all of that aside which is to say the best thing you can do When reading a review of a new thing you know whether it's you know Super Cool Audio File magazine or Bob on You know head fire. Something is to always try to get a chance to listen to it for yourself and the canned jam events or there's some amazing audio stores out there You know if you're lucky enough to be an LA The source AV has one of the most amazing collections of headphones and headphone amps. And Dax of probably any store in the United States a couple of one's in Denver in the northeast Or you can purchase from a place that it gives you a trial window or doesn't punish you for the return And you also need to listen to things if you can listen to it for an extended period of time because especially if you're shifting between headphones when you go from headphone Ada headphone be Your brain I go. Oh my God this is all wrong. And then over the course of fifteen or twenty minutes to kind of recalibrate itself and you'll have a more true kind of response to what the headline actually sounds like You know and I I started headphones law because the vast majority of what you actually hear Has A lot less to do with the deck and the headphone amp that does with the headphone itself So it was eight thousand six hundred. Eighty six fifty that you have They're classics. They're one of the headphones are kind of redefined. The headphone market A while ago They'RE NEUTRAL. They're clean a very pure presentation. There's no extra base. There's no extra high in sparkle They're open back. That gave them a really big sound stage. it's only in the last few years that closed back headphones had the same kind of sounds as in presentation is open backed. And it's not always true but it's a lot better than it used to be You know if you want to try another headphone audio nighthawk by the Goodwin for eight Super Neutral. It is extremely good. It's one of my favorite headphones. And you know started out at like six hundred dollars and the original Sort of would tone What I think is under three hundred dollars now. If you want to experiment with something. There are some ridiculously good player magnetic headphones which instead of sort of speaker or dynamic headphone Uses a plate of some kind of polymer that has traces on it. And they suspend that polymer with traces on it between two magnets and then they send the voltage from your headphone amp through the traces. On the polymer and this big panel moves back and forth to create the air pressure. That hits your ear buds Monta prices five fifty five. C is alarmingly good for two hundred bucks sealed backs at Bigwood Cups. It's a little heavy But the performances astonishingly good for the money It's you know I have some. You Know Five year-old plan our bank networks. That cost twice as much. Maybe I bought him used for twice as much New there were probably three times as much and I'd say the five sixty five C is a vastly better can But it has the advantage again of the technology. Getting better as time moves forward You know your headphone amps. Probably fine They are They they're fairly difficult. Load to push They're you know they. They have a fairly high all measurement You could try jade's Labs Adam. It'll measure cleaner that the APP you have. It's ninety nine dollars. It outperforms a lot of amplifiers that cost three or four or five or six or seven times as much especially some of the really expensive old amplifiers You know the crew. I know the guys at Janus Labs Great People And the the principal engineer there basically sat down for a year and experimented until he came up with this astonishingly good amplifier and it does an amazing job of rejecting background noise. You know I had a fifteen hundred dollars at a speakers. That was picking up all of the noise from My thirty four inch monitor shoved the atom. Like it's the Monitor. Nothing completely total rejection of our F- The channel Are Very evenly matched I e when the volume knob turns. You don't have one ear bud or your phone You know level going higher than the other. It's a black hole when you pause music You know If you don't hear noise when you pause your music and we don't hear Distortion as you turn the volume up to your favorite listening level. Your your headphone amplifiers. Probably just fine. You know if you do hear noise in it and it's not coming from your Dak You know that's what I would really say it's time to get a new headphone or if you know if you turn the volume up and it distorts A make sure you're not playing too loud and blow your eardrums out be That might be time to get a new headphone amplifier. Or you know if you have if you plug your headphones into your phone your headphones on your computer output. And you can't turn it up loud enough It could be an issue with not having a amplification for the headphones. You have I've never listen to that Acer Sonar the Exxon card Aces has done some really good stuff. when people drag out the high end testing equipment they often don't measure as well in the real world as they do in the specs that are listed for Mace's Audio Science Review is done much work. that kind of stuff You know generally speaking Properly implemented DAX should sound more like than difference and DAX are one of those areas where there's a lot of magic fairy pixie dust. I mean I could point you towards nineteen thousand dollar. Dak that you know if you WANNA get a software upgrade for it because there's a new audio format they'll charge you a good hefty seven hundred dollars for that software. You know great for them. Charged with the market will bear. But again there's some fantastic tax for a hundred bucks or a few hundred bucks and quite frankly the Dak inside your laptop. Your desktop is probably pretty good. Not as good as it could be but much better than it would have been a few years ago I really liked the current generation of AKM. Dax Japanese manufacturer They were I like the velvet sounds which is mostly marketing But they're extremely good and they don't have any kind of glitches in the response. Curb some of the others do I've also you know like one of my favorite ones have heard in the last two or three years is II FIS micro ideas the Black Label. Which makes it sound like a bottle of Scotch But it's using BURR BROWN DAX in. It sounds amazing And test really well too. So you know You know before you start buying stuff like identify a problem. Identify which component is creating that problem. Then try to fix it and if you can only change one thing at a time because as you start changing multiple things at once You never really know what fixed watts but I might try and external attack You know Just to see how that compares to the zone. Arthur's a weak spot. It's probably the sonar offense to ACIS but You know some of their cards. I think have done better than others. At rejecting noise from the motherboard and from what I've read from some of the testing out there Some motherboards create more interference issues with the onboard. Sound cards and others. So that's probably way too much information for everybody other than Leon. But hopefully that gives everybody something to think about. You know I was thinking while you were talking about the fact that maybe he is not actually experiencing any significant issue. It's just that it's a hobby. This is something where you get into high end audio or obsessed with quality. It's like I I WANNA get better. I want to get a new What about the headphones are the headphones? Good enough and really. It's probably just fine and would you find for the rest of his life. I my own. Example is around ten years ago I was first getting into higher quality audio and stuff. I'd been kind of enthusiasts but never really had the money to spend on it and I bought at a significant discount this integrated amplifier from Yamaha. Really good one. As five hundred. And then I found a used pair of Boston. Acoustics Eight twenty-six Bookshelf speakers and this pairing sounded fantastic. Amac the sound so good. I can't believe I got all this for life orange box. How good would it be if I spend a thousand dollars in the amplifier and by twelve hundred dollars speakers and then I I had unfortunately the discretionary income and was not married at the time to start slowing at all on loudspeakers and I went for four a couple of years basically of just buying one set of our speakers than another and then selling one off at a huge loss buying another and buying different amplifiers and in the end? I finally just got my momma. High amplifier backout picked up another side of those speakers. And like you know what? This is good enough for casual listening. I downsized almost everything I I still have the magnet paths. I bought through all of this and a really high powered amplifier to drive them. But don't really have the space to set them up. Those are Magdalena speakers that have to be almost in the middle of your room so my little modest listening set up when all the way back ten years to the I mean the first time especially this is what happens when you have a kid by the way it's like I don't want thousands of dollars in stuff where he's going to knock it over which he did so cheaper everything. Yeah hammered his matchbox cars against the aluminum driver of elax which had to have a talk with his parents about you. Know what what that actually meant financially It's but it's I mean here's the thing right If there's an audio place near you if you go to audio shows Get a chance to listen to stuff. And you know what are things I think Sebastian just made abundantly clear but let me hammer at home with a with a you know eight pound sledge in case it wasn't is that you know music tends to sound really good on anything right. You know Bob Marley Herbie Hancock. You know is going to sound amazing on a crappy. Am radio in the middle of central Nevada And Yeah it's going to sound better on a decent FM Stereo and it's going to sound better on vinyl and it's going to sound better than that on CD and is going to sound better with better speakers But mostly they're listening to the music You know find something you like. Stick with it for a while and I wouldn't upgrade until you try something out and go. Oh my goodness this is a thousand times better But be careful because that thousand times better for part of the audio community is something. They find like every ten days to six weeks. Yeah and a lot of that much better another thing. Is that if you already have a setup going because l. The whole chain matters if you already have set up yelling that sounds good but you want it to be better. Beware because altering one component suddenly maybe an amplifier. That's a little bit thinner that was paired with speakers or headphones ahead more base. So it's really balanced you bring in a pair of headphones. That are kind of trouble heavy in with an amplifier that already was a little thinner sounding suddenly it sounds really bright and you may not like that. The the talking about was sorry. It heavier speakers go well with amplifiers. They don't have a lot of base. Yeah but they don't go well with speakers. I don't have a lot of base it just at this day and age. Your amplifier should be a flat line from ten hertz to above audible frequencies and if your amplifier impacts the trouble or the base on your speakers It should only doing that. Because you're previous amplifier was underpowered for the drivers or because your previous amplifier should be taken out back old yeller and shot. Because it's a point and cheaper amplifiers don't have the the the omb F- for for really Inefficient speakers that's another subject the speaker sensitivity thing but yeah but you also mean to put this into context the magnet planers. The that's Vashem mentioned earlier. If the Model I think they are. They are six feet high. They are like three feet wide their two or three inches thick And if you can place them if you have a big enough room to place them properly you know and you don't need You know the sort of you know punching your thorax through the back of your spinal cord kind of base That we associate with certain kinds of music they are alarmingly close to the proverbial real thing. I'd say it's a it's a spectacular experience. It kind of terrifying. I remember the first time I heard a pair. It was just like it's like we're in the room. And then they're like I guess how much the amplifier costs that. We're driving these with like. Oh I think it was worth approximately eight times the car I was driving at that point but now but that's the thing though now is is rights you can go to. Companies like Emotiv of for example or some of those entry level Yamaha amps. Feed fifty to one hundred watts per channel. Which is more than enough for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of speakers you can get a phenomenal solid performing amp for two hundred bucks or less if you can find it used which is great as far as I'm concerned And then you can kind of build from there but you know double underline what Sebastian said. Change one component at a time 'cause everything works together to give you the audio you want any case. That was crazy Goodness I think we've run out of questions and stories. That's the only thing I will very briefly mentioned that we didn't get to was it's related to the console's kind of but directs twelve ultimate was announced today Microsoft Their conference I can't remember the name of it right now. They they moved it to an online events. So that's going on right now but direct twelve ultimate kind of brings a lot of those features that are going to be on the next gen consoles to desktop. So all of the the built-in Ray tracing support the DAX are one point one. While the advanced features that are going to be featured in those next Gen consoles that are not harbor dependent there that work on video the work on Md. I presume the work on Intel when and tell us a screechy pews available but That's official. It's very technical. Some of the stuff is easier to understand If you're interested Microsoft is doing directs developer day right now. They're streaming live on mixer. So anybody can just go and be a part of this but a lot of advanced technologies are coming and it's just it's going to be built in. It was kind of interesting to not calling this a new version of direct access. Not Twelve point one or thirteen. It's just ultimate so like windows ultimate back in the windows. Seven era direct x twelve ultimate and. I believe it's going to require a certain build of windows ten or higher so it's windows ten twenty h one update. That's actually let's see today. I see so. They're supported today with that update so we will see what games there was no list of games. Or anything game engines. That are going to be taking advantage of this but I am pretty sure that news is all gonna come. This was all stuff that was going to be part of GDP and of course GD was cancelled as a in person. Event like everything else has been and then invidia even pushed back their announcements so This is trickling out so Microsoft. They're doing their thing today. Amd and INVIDIA had their own separate announcements about this as well. It's a big deal for. Amd graphics as well because Invidia already had real time ray tracing with RT ex- ex- In has a lot of the same functionality. Nvidia talks about how they're still going to have the solution. Of course this is their position. Amd is excited. Because they're getting real time ray tracing so the next navy. Gps WE HOPE big navy whenever this comes out. Rda To architecture has been support for this. I didn't see anything about them kind of back boarding it to RDA and it would kind of be like what invidia did to bring rt ex features to the GT X. cards which was allocate. A certain amount of the shakers to just do dedicated hardware. Ray tracing work which is less efficient than using exe card. So I I imagine when we see those bigger issues with higher streaming processor counts. They'll be able to do something like that but it'll be interesting. I mean this year at some point. I hope we'll see introduction of big navy which would be the mythical Amdi Radon Five Thousand Series Graphics Card that has either up to or even more than the compute units that we saw with the previous generation where they were at sixty and sixty four. See US so like four thousand ninety six streaming processors where currently were stuck at well before this console announcement we were stuck at I believe forty. So if they're up to fifty to see us on console we would hope we'd see another sixty or sixty four. Cu desktop part. Which would it should be tremendous Performance Making Four K. gaming like legitimate possibility at sixty frames per second so we shall see we wait ladies and gentlemen with the proverbial baited breath. I've got a question for Server. Emailed twitch at twit DOT TV that's Ty C. H. At twitter DOT TV. 'cause we want to answer your questions especially if you're sitting at home contemplating what you can actually get through. Amazon prime bite now a A note of Thanks to the mobile carriers that are offering extended band or should say extended Data CAPS It's been interesting to watch right You know I think fortnight so many it was crazy I think fortnight play was up something like seventy percent in Italy Or I'm misinterpreting the quote that says sort of online game play but the general bomb hearing from You Know Europe. Is that a band with thirty percents. And there was like an e you request for net flicks to only stream at St at SD rates in and it looks as agreed to sort of like reduce the amount of bandwidth because so many people are locked in at home and streaming video. Right now You know that's kind of a wild thing to think about. Because that's a lot of data. Thirty percent bump is a huge increase in bandwidth. So hey price your social distancing. Wash your hands lots. Take care of yourself. We'll see next week. I'm powder Dorton thanks everybody.

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The Ketogenic Lifestyle Part 2

Strong By Design Podcast

47:22 min | 2 years ago

The Ketogenic Lifestyle Part 2

"Here, everyone has their Goto spots. You know whether it's a once-a-week thing or certain foods that they're picking up at the grocery store knows their staple food items. Yup, and eating leftovers or whatever else. But yes, so we all kind of function that same way. We believe that you are strong by design and you were made in God's image to have a strong body mind and spirit. Hi, my name is Chris Wilson, and you're listening to the number one strengthen health authority, podcasts in the world. So let's get ready to unlock your potential and transform your life with today's expert. Hey, if you want the free seven worst testosterone killers report then just text test. Oh two, three, four, five, three, four, five that's test. Oh, t. e. s. t. o. two three, four, five, three, four, five. And you'll get a text from me asking for your Email, then you'll get the free report sent to your Email inbox. And if you're not in the US or Canada than you can grab the free report at critical bench dot com forward slash bonus dash video. Let's dive in. So he has excellent, which I actually deal with like some psoriasis and stuff. And I know a lot of that has a lot to do with I mean, immunity and stuff, but probably has a lot to do with our diet and more more than we, we know, I will say that nothing. I've never been so sure of the power of what your diet can do for your health than I have now. I mean, I see it so much like I just saw today a really good friend of ours. A are d, she's a dietitian and we if I can get everybody to follow her, you know? Absolutely. Because she just sees so smart. She had a patient, a IBS, patient colitis type nasty stuff. And she's like showing the labs before and after a few months of like changing the diet and a few supplements now Noam unisom presses they're going to just knock you out and not. You'd have no immune system. It's like, okay, you know what? You're immune system's overreacting, lettuce. That's just turn off your immune system. That's that's that's medicine today. Like you look at the symptom and you're like, okay, here's a symptom we're gonna treat it, but forget about everything else that happened. All the other cats. Yes, that's there. Yeah. So so with the boys, like we left them with our family and you know, nothing against our family actually, they know because we've told them, like, if you, if you try to feed my kids crap, you're not gonna see my kids to simply and simple. I won't take them to your house, but like they didn't even have that much. They had like some crackers and some cookies, lots of wheat, lots of gluten and the comeback, and doesn't gets really bad nose bleeds like like gushing nosebleeds like, and this is after like a couple of days. Yeah, just a couple of like three days. And so we come back and they're both like just wrecked, and I had already been carnivore my wife on that same triples when she decided to go carnival, which is she was having. So she was trying to cut up. And so what she would do is try to like incorporate much more salads and stuff to get that volume and she'll get these nasty, nasty, bloating, gut issues, and just all the stuff. And she was like, she wake up in the middle of the night to vomit like she did it like several times to. Like I would wake up and how come and see her like she's bombing. I'm like, what the heck? And so she's like, you know what? And I started telling her about all the stuff like the doctors that I was following that were advocating for this, you know, eating meat, this crazy like, how is it that everything that my wife do and I do is so absurd. Like we're just like these crazy libertarian homeschooling, you know, like Mauer were Kito. That's not crazy enough. Let's go carnivore. Fill out tiger. Just so out there and, and so she decides to cut the veggies, just that weekend. And so we're just eating burgers and steaks and seafood. And she uses like three pounds and she feels amazing. And so we come back and the boys are wrecked. You know, like my my dean is all broken out with with exit, and then Dez is like bleeding. And so I'm known for in the Keough community for doing like these self experimentation things. So my wife is like, hey, Desmond, would you want to do like a three day on me experiment? And he's all for not only is how all the displaced. Seven. So he's all in all. Desmond is like he's an angel man, and he's like, he has. I have to be careful him because he wants to please. So you gotta like comb through like words, real real, you know. But you know, sometimes it helps. So him and dean, both. They were just eating meat for three days and they both. They both did awesome. And then like we were like, well, d- wanna you wanna keep doing this. We could keep doing Kito. And so we transitioned the boys to Kito and like the main thing that you gotta do. It's very simple. It's not. It's not about restricting is you get the crap out of the house. And if you're in a public place, the way we do anything with the boys, if they want to buy themselves something they gotta make some money. You know, like I, I went through that first meltdown at three years old at DisneyWorld when Desmond realized that at the end of every ride was a gift shop and we're not going to buy gifts. We're just not about stuff done right, rather do and experiences and traveling, you know, I don't wanna raise all this crap. That becomes forgotten three days anyway, and you get all care about that. They're not going to end they have so many options at the. They don't even play with them. Yeah, and they don't have they don't. It's like, here's another toy thorn in the pilot. So he he had a meltdown at three at the part, and we just sat on the bench and I know it sucks. You don't. You're not going to get that. And you know what? Let's find a way that this never happens again. And that was when he started working for stuff. And like for instance, he started a dream catcher company may like two hundred bucks selling dream catches that. He would take sticks from like the YMCA or go to YMCA and he would make these drink paint them and send them to people. And so when we're out if they wanna buy themselves junk, they can what ends up happening is they don't, you know. And we also would do like give them some autonomy. So we would say, okay, here we did it with Desmond. 'cause dean was really young, Desmond started, you know? So we would say, here's ten bucks spending, however you want. So Desmond. And you know, you would think he's gonna look for the candy aisle and he didn't, you know, he would buy some Hubei some interesting things like he would buy some fruit. He would buy like some chocolate bar like a like a dark chocolate bar or something. He buys one time. He bought fear. You didn't even know what you fear was fear. He loved it. And so like I think that some things happen when you give a kid autonomy, he give them some power. They feel like the responsive share share. We're gonna make a good choice and they feel like you trust your trusting their judgment. Yes, I better not get this wrong because maybe it'll get taken away. And so like it's like I want to enjoy myself, but maybe I don't. Maybe maybe I don't go nuts, you know. And so that's kind of how we do everything with them. Like we don't have. It's weird. We don't have bedtime in our house, but it's because we don't if they went to school and had to be up at a certain time and then we would. But since we are kind of like we home school. Yeah, so we don't have bad times. That's one example of like how that whole philosophy. He works and think about it, no bedtime. When they go to bed, they go to sleep. They, they self-regulate some nights very rarely if ever they stay up later. You know, we also go to bed super early. So we go to bed like at nine thirty at night night, you know? 'cause I'm before my wife tries to get up like around five to do devotional with me in the morning. Sometimes it works sometimes you know, because he's different in the morning. I'm like a morning person, but you know, they're just kinda like they like us. You know, sometimes we stay up late, you know, and they'll do that too. But very rarely said, it's been interesting to see like how that freedom works out in the real world, but it's worked out what, like you said, you're not. You're really not you and your wife obviously have chosen this path and they, but you've allowed your kids to pretty much Jews themselves. So we had lots of conversations. Yeah. They know we, you know, what do you think that's going to do? Like Desmond's like so Desmond had, here's an example to like five months ago, we were in Miami as we grew up and and there was a birthday party and doesn't have the pizza and the con- candy when you eat well, all the time stuff, tears you, I news going to happen. Man, like thirty minutes lady later was double door and he was crying and I was like the phones. Pictures of it, and I just was like. I just for later to show him. And so he's like, I wish I'd never aided. I wish enter AL's like, no, no, no, no. Don't say that. Remember this, remember this and just remember help it. 'cause I always tell my son, winners, don't lose. They learn, you know. So you learn from this in think about that next time you wanna eat the pizza, like the cheese off, don't eat the bread on the pizza. The cotton candy is garbage. Don't ever eat the just just, yeah, I always you can literally piercers way. Yeah, four bites of in the rest of it's just thrown garbage. And you know, people say people say they're just kids let them live, right? So that's there's these. Are I two that I hear let them live, which to me two things with that number one, they're not gonna live. Well, if the feel like crap. Okay. And number two, they're gonna resent me when they're older if they knew that I knew better and I wasn't trying to immune Saddam guidelines and trying to house aptly. And so the other thing that you'll hear is like, well, let them live once in a while and we. Totally do we totally that, but see once in a while thing, if you're really doing it once in a while, so like you know. Mike every other day? Exactly. Like these kids are getting treats every single day. You know, like the food that they're eating is pure sugar. And so like for them Holloway, lean eat all the candy. So we try to, we offer to buy the candy Desmond actually. So he made like twenty five bucks selling us the candy and then dean he. So he sold you guys back. He's handy. So mom and dad, that's a good little business. Good one, right. Well, the first thing he did was we ran out of candy this year, and he started giving his candy out to kids at the dog. And so he had a bunch left and we bought it at twenty five bucks the younger one dean. That's another one. We've got that on video mount as my wife's filming him and he's taking these. He's been out for like from August October's. It's been like two months ready, and he's like trying it taking her by spitting trying t- like all of them. He's wanting something, but it's not happening is now working in pal is agreeing. Yeah, he just in with dean like we're much more lenient with him, but still he doesn't eat, you know, like if he wants, he's we'll get him, we'll make them you. That's the thing with kiddos kiddos like you can do everything. Yeah, there's recipes. They're, it's not convenient. You gotta make make it? Yeah. And that's what my wife she, she went. Full out Kito begin earlier this year she was dedicated and she saw great results and she felt good to on it. And she wants to. I mean, we still implement elements of of what she was doing then, but she would like to go back to what she was doing where both cooking on Sundays making a bunch of stuff that could be her go to for the whole week. Oh yeah. And and I was getting the benefit to because he would encourage me to eat some of what she had made. So I was getting some Keno diet infused into my, you know, my my regular diet. So when it comes to cruciferous vegetables? Yeah, we're, are you there? Are you? Are you eating any of those? See I when I, when I first because there are there super low carb. Yeah. Yeah, they're super carbon. And from Keitel standpoint, you'll see a bunch of Kito people doing the cruciferous veggies. Right? I personally like from. Okay. So for me, it's like a cost-benefit. Right. So what are the possible benefits? Micronutrients fiber, right. Those are the main thing. Maybe I oxidants. Right, right. And then I start to think about, and I was always like when I went, oh, that was another thing that I was like really priding myself on trying to hit all my basis trying to get all those things in and making improving my health all the way around. You know, because you can. You can go Kito and eat the hotdogs without buns and burgers. You give me a bunch of weight, right? Optimistic crap. Kito. Yeah, like junk pet sounds like almost like a karate crap. Keadilan. Tito. Yes, that's like, so that's obviously over trying to. Yeah, and I'm very much really have a big focus now, especially recently on real food Kito let's do real quality. Let's let's have the same mentality that we had with paleo with the quality of food. What happens with Kito sometimes is that people get so focused on lowering the carbs that they forget that they're like consuming, like five thousand sugar alcohols and having raven much fiber, they're killing their gut. The destroying their gut, you know, like the the poops and they got, you know. And so the reason why we don't really do the vegetables will do low sugar fruit. So I let me start with meet meet the reason why meat is like the very pretty complete when it comes to stuff. There's a few things by him and see which the USDA basically didn't even measure the vitamin c. me they just assumed zero. So they put it at zero. Right. And so you. You're supposed to the RDA's. The recommended daily allowance say that we're supposed to have a thousand milligrams of vitamin c and the if you don't have enough vitamin c. you can get scurvy, right. The problem is that carbohydrates and vitamin c. compete for the same receptors. So when you eat lots of carbohydrates, you need to have lots of vitamin c. interest. So like you really only need about ten milligrams of vitamin c, guess what? Like upon a steak has shown milligrams, invite. And I have like I probably have on a lo- day, two pounds. That's a really loaded like I have usually around three pounds of meat a day, probably like two to three quarters to three pounds of me today. And so all these b. vitamins, iron, minerals, vitamins that I'm getting. Not only am I getting more vitamins and minerals, and a lot of people were surprised by telling me out a lot of the time. Meat is more has more vitamins than vegetables and not only does it have more, but it's more bioavailable because it's with animal fat that you need to absorb because a lot of these are fat soluble, so so that's like I cover them outta my basis with that. I also do awful. So I do like liver. I have, I still have about fifteen pounds of liver in my deep freeze all do liver, liverwurst, Brown, Schweiger. Both of those all three of those actually are grass-fed. I try to grasp as much as possible, especially if I'm doing like liver. Hi. How are you preparing this? You? Well, the Browns swagger and the liverwurst is actually for people who don't like organ me is your best like intro into organ meat because it's like it looks like that cold, right? You can have a cold, but it's like if you don't like organ meat, I would suggest doing I do it this way most of the time anyways, slice it, and then I'll fry it in butter and it tastes like spam essays as vicious, 'em with eggs, man, we all know it's fan and it's delicious man. And so like a liver, I actually just made up this recipe recently is pretty good onto a bathe it in like heavy whipping cream for like a day, not even a day, maybe like eight hours overnight and then take it out, dry it. And then I'll do an egg wash of of a and heavy cream and and some spices. And then I dip it in pork Penco. So like pork pinko is like pork rinds fried pork rinds. So it's like panko, but it's. Penco. And so like a frie- that up and that that will make out like the first time I did it. That's another thing too, like with liver. So there's there's win when food is really micro nutrient dense? Yeah, it fills you more. It's weird like I can eat like two pounds of state easily, and I'm not saying that it's not micronutrient dense, but like liver is like the super food of the world. Like if you talk to a VN and vegans like, well, you don't get. I just say liver. What doing animals go for, right. Yeah. When they, you know, animals, obviously that are carnivores predators. They go first surrogate parts of the body kidney, and so so I'm getting a lot of that from that. So now then if you wanna talk about fiber, then there are some benefits to fiber fibers, not essential at all at all. Dietary fiber. Yeah, you do not need fiber. You know, you don't need fiber in your diet. You know you, especially people think, oh, man, how you pooping getting like? Are you going to get constipated? Actually at the beginning by wife and I both were. The opposite happened for like a month and habits. A lot of people number one, because when you eat lots of fiber, the soluble fiber tends to absorb lots of the water that you're that you're having. And that's the job usually of the colon. So the Colin kind of gets like the large intestine kinda gets lazy when you when you're eating fiber. So you remove that fiber from the diet, and you gotta get your colon back in shape so that water is worn right through guy thing. So, and then there's other things that fiber does like, you know, short chain, fatty acid like gut health, gut microbiome stuff. That's good. And so I do for a while. I was like, you know, who cares? You know? But now I have like an avocado a day in my little Keitel multiple that I've been told you about, and you know, I like fruits vegetables are a little bit different because vegetables, they don't want to be eaten there like an animal. They don't have a bar. They don't have a bite, what they do have to defend him from like little insects and little. Critters is biological warfare, so they attack with biological offers. So they have these things that are basically anti nutrients that they attacked the lining of our gut. They inhibit the absorption of a lot of these nutrients. And so if I'm going to eat vegetables, I'm gonna cook him for sure. Cookham as much as possible. Broccoli, I wouldn't really do kale anything that tastes bitter. Think about it. Like we've we've kind of like adapted to the states. You know, we like all. It's nice when there's a reason why it's better. Why do you think fruit is sweet fruit is sweet because the fruit wants you to eat it because in the real world before all the garbage cans and stuff like we ate the fruit, we put out the seeds and we spread, we protected that mother apples baby, and we spread it somewhere else. So the these vegetables are trying to protect their young which which is like the the seeds and nuts and the and. All this stuff. So. So for me, it's like the benefits don't really outweigh the risks, you know? And like if you'd like vegetables eat them and a lot of us are can handle more than than others. You know, there's a lot of people that do the carnivore thing because they they have to. I'm not one of those people, you know, I'm just like, oh, I don't have to vessels to solve awesome castle. I do like I do like avocados do like low sugar fruit like zucchini and cucumbers. Like we just got a mandolin, those mandolin things that you can like take like cabbage, slice it up. So you can do Julianne to like with cucumbers and stuff. Berries are awesome, but for the Brian, any oxidants is several areas. Yeah. Take your. Yeah. So the kids and the kids leave vegetables, you know, always funny thing. My wife is that sprouts the other day, and she's like. You want to know how to get kids see vegetables of how she's like, don't give them vegetables. Dean sees the rainbow carrots and they're all these different colors. He said ou vegetables, so we have kringle care. So I, I had some rain McCain today. But like Desmond, if we're out, he's going to get a spare with butter Desmond. When we were paleo, he used to crush sweet potatoes all the time. So now they're, they're Kito. So often that when we go to like fresh kitchen, you guys don't have on here. There's one in Saint Pete kitchen. Really. It's like one of these for for people who aren't local. Yeah, it's like one of these places that has really good ingredients. You make a bowl, you pick a meet you pick like veggies and and stuff, and you and you mix it all up together and it's delicious. So we go to fresh kitchen. They have sweeping, you're making yourself. Well, there are many. You're just subway like you've worked down the line and tell them what the put in it. Yeah, and they'll and when we go there, that's cool. They're always going to get the potato noodles and they're always going to get the slice sweet potatoes. I, I know it doesn't get the barbecue chicken because it's like that's sweet sugar in the saw and that for them like a treat, but it's still good food. Right? You know. So I think the most important thing is like. I don't think parents should focus on trying to make their kids Kito or whatever, but definitely removing sugar sticking to real food, finding foods that their kids like and really trying to simplify the menu like they don't. We only eat on average, ten different types of meals. If you look at your actual menu, you go to that one place every day that you're going to eat your lunch. You know, you go, you eat this pretty much like two or three different meals a week, right? You're not like tonight we're going to have. No, you're right. Everyone has their Goto spots. Yeah, you know whether it's a once a week thing or certain foods that they're picking up at the grocery store, those their staple food items and eating leftovers or whatever else. But yes, so we all kind of function that same way. Looking the winsome free critical here. Here's how just write an awesome five star review on itunes for the strong bydesign podcast. We'll post the winters on Instagram, just go to at the critical bench. Watch our podcast highlights story to see if you've won. We post a winning review there. And if you have one, be sure to DM us. It's it's a, it's funny because I can't help, but think you're talking and I'm thinking about my own because our kids are almost identical eight. Yes. And just thinking about, you know, this look like the good, the good things that that they're eating and they, you know, relatively my, my kids have a good diet. We don't give him crap. We definitely aren't pushing crab on them. You know, but there's absolutely it stems from mommy and daddy. That's the first thing we tell people is you gotta you gotta model the behavior? Yeah, you're not going to be eating like, don't eat when I'm eating at come on now they see. That's the whole saying that they do a lot more of what they see them with their. There's seen as drinking water. Yeah, they're gonna probably want water, you know, versus like if we're down in diet cokes all day, then to be in the soda. It's funny because my kids, I, I like like a coke zero every once in a while there's something I really don't. I don't drink it ever when I'm here at work. It's like a treat thing for them out at a dinner. We are of go to the movies. We'll say, like, let's cheat with some dyke. I don't necessarily way, but we don't really. We don't have it at the house. I, we drink water and we drink, like, you know, the club soda or whatever the Croix all. Carbonated water naturally flavored nothing in it. So. Every once in a while though, if I'm having like a coke zero or at like Chick-fil-A or something right in my kid, they run out their water, their milk or whatever they're drinking. They go in make this face. Let's my kids. Eight. Okay, good. But yeah, I went through Tuesday because like for me, like when they try certain things, they're like a more more of that. And that's why we don't like we don't get that much fruit because then like all they want to eat his fruit, you know. So we'll we'll, we'll get the fruit for a week and the food will be gone and we're not going to get any more food that week. You know, we'll just wait to the next week, you know? So it's you're like pacing them a little. Yeah. 'cause then like it does. It does. It does like it's not that food is bad for his awesome. But then if it's taking away from the main event, which is a me, that's the main thing that's gonna make my kids my seven year old. Where's ten year old kids clothes like he's, they're growing like weeds, but like you know, they're going to be picky. Every kid is picky. Our kids are picky. But like if you don't be. Afraid. I'm trying to tell people who want if they want to do this is like, don't be afraid of. They're going to have. There's going to be that struggle the first three days. It was three days for us. I remember because I remember when she came home with the groceries, like on the third day, it was like gimme that what is that? Turkey cheese and a crush on on cheese, you know? And so like, you know, don't be afraid that if they're going to some of them are going to like, and it's just like the movie, the magic pill, it's on Netflix. I don't know if you've seen that I've heard of. I've heard about it. I I watch Netflix, but gosh, is a million shows on that. This is a documentary about Kito and like, you know, they follow different people in like two of them are like they're like autistic kids and this girl. She basically like she didn't eat for like a few days. And then after that when she started eating, it was when the magic happened like she got better and it was amazing than I tell people don't be afraid your kids not gonna die if they're like not eating that much for a few days, you know, it's going to reset their palate a little bit and it's gonna. To, you know, help them move. I, I'm not a professional medical professionals. Like I say, whatever I want. Right? They can't hold you to not right. I had. I did have another thing I wanted to touch on with you. Two Australian and being Kito. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what are what are in terms of all the reading that you've done and the things that you've come across over the last few years? Well, what what correlation is there? So only going to give you stuff that I've heard and I haven't really done a lot of research on this. But what I have seen is seen some people have complained about lower testosterone or whatever, but then like for instance, one of the guys that I was listening to early on Dr Adam, Allie, he's out in surprise Arizona. He's, he is a. What do you call it? The ones that they do the stomach stapling and all that stuff. Oh, a ga- ga- gastro inter- like, well, no, he's, he's a, he's a doctor, but he focuses on that type of medicine. I forget that type of managing. It's like he treats obese people. And a lot of these people what happens. Of course, we know the estrogen is bound to fat, and so you have all this fat, and so you're estrogen dominant. I mean, what? A terrible situation man like not only are you like you're overweight and you're obese, but now you're estrogens up like you can't even have that man like, come on, you're my. I can't even be a guy. Now on this thing. Yeah. And it's really it's really hurting you in that way. So what he seen and I think he's actually quoted and I'm never looked into it, but he's Kito can raise your to social by twenty thirty percent, you know, like as much as twenty thirty percent, which it makes sense, you know, because cholesterol. So there's a whole different one I know, right? That's like an actually, that's I won't go to vintage, but that's, that's that's a really cool subject cholesterol because we cholesterol so important and like I'm like the biggest cholesterol fan ever like if someone who's keyed and people are thinking, oh, well, your cholesterol must be super high because. It years in line is high ninety tonight, but what's the? What's the difference between your HDL and your LDL, right, because isn't that more of the indicator? Big thing that's important, but more important than anything. Triglycerides understand like HD l. DO are just transport molecules of these things that they're, they're fuel transport their fuel transport system. So they're basically taking the fat that you're and triglycerides actual fat in your blood. That's what's important. So if one of the things that's been kind of talked about recently and one of the one of the guys that I really love who does stuff in this area's doctrine, a dear l. e. he's a cardiologists. He's the guy who's putting stints in people all the time, and he's also like checking out the research on this stuff and he's like, looking at all this stuff and he's like, wait a second higher LDL. These people are eating low carbohydrate diets. He's looking at all these studies, seventy years studies, like I'm not wearing my little tiny studied. Yeah. Yeah. These people are the most the highest performers to healthiest the the all of the best brain power. Like all these things have higher LDL and there's there's something that happens with some people. Some people's cholesterol gets better with Kito. You know, some people are what we call lean mass. Hyper responders me right. Lean mass, hyper responders. What happens with them is like, you'll see is your HDL will go up. The LDL goes up a little bit, but you're dragging us rides. Go down, right? So you'd triglycerides you want to be under a hundred. You want you to try your HDL to be like at least of fifty right now. But like my HDL is eighty nine in my last test. My LDL was like one ninety something super high. So combined, which is your total cholesterol. I'm growing to ninety Seattle. Oh, anything over to hundreds too hot. Yeah. Yeah. And so like what I look at other things speaking of testosterone, if you this is I'm gonna have worn every single man in this. On this podcast was listening. If your doctor tells you to take Staten, I personally would fire him because there is absolutely nothing good about a Staten causes erectile dysfunction. That's why I wanted to bring that up because that's one of the things that you can call it. Statins are status as an example of treating that we got LDL's bad. So we gotta lower LDL and we can take that LDL and we can lower it to thirty. We can are drug and do that. And they've actually in some of the rat research that they've done, they'll they'll take that that and they'll take their genes in the switch him so that their genes work like the Staten. And so these rats have really, really law deal and these rats do not do well, you know, if you're if HDL l. dear LDL high and your triglycerides are low. Chances are you're very, very healthy. If you're following a low carbohydrate diet, because you're you're, you're basically able to your, there's all this fat there because you're using. As energy, right? So that's your energy source. You're not plugging in the carbs to fuel your body didn't go in family that transports happy. But what what would you say if I asked you what would happen to someone's LDL if they fasted for seven days. Well, you you would you think it would go down? Yeah, right, right. These people like by seventy percent or something ridiculous. Like there was a study that they did like the seven day fasting study LDL skyrocketed. So there's like kind of like an inverse relationship between cholesterol numbers and the amount of fat you eat. One of the other guys, this he's a, he's an engineer. His name's Dave Feldman. He's like schooling doctors on this. Doctors are saying, thank you for your work is amazing. He he started to do like a low carb high fat diet years ago, and he was like freaking out about his cholesterol numbers. He realized that this is me, this is what I, he's a lean mass, hyper responder. And so he can tell you if you have insurance issues like because they're telling you gotta get, he can basically say, this is what you gotta do. Here's the protocol to get your cholesterol down and we'll do it. Like within four days, he'll be able to tell you what your how to like how your cholesterol number would be, because it's a snapshot in time of what the energy status in your body is. So. Cholesterol's important and it transplant, you know, it's important for for to SaaS room. And so that's how it would make sense to Sasha will go up with higher cholesterol, higher fat. You know, low fat diets. He's think about it like you don't feel good. You don't prefer on. Exactly. And that's, that's the unfortunate thing that happened. I don't know what it was a visit, eighties physics, man. It was way back then where I made fat the bad guy and they made sugar. Yeah, because it wasn't if you go to the because that's when all the cereals and everything were popping up is like, this is what you eat. Nineteen. Aerials. Edmund Dr. Ansell keys did the seven countries study which what he did was like his whole hypothesis was that the more fat you eat, the more heart attacks you have. So he took seven countries. Look these these countries, all eight more fat, and they all had more heart attacks where there was like eight or nine different study countries that had a bunch of fat and didn't have heart attack time. Good. He's selectively yet. Yeah. And then it's a hypothesis called the diet heart hypothesis into this day. We are treating people. We have food pyramids. We have all these recommendations based on hypothesis that was never. Even it's just it doesn't make at least I think people are a little bit more aware of this now. Mirror pyramid is a kind of a bunch of crags servings of of Brandon rains and rains every day, you know, and these people these poor. Imagine these. These people are like they're going to like a registered dietitian and they're like putting put me on a diet and they're like, you need to eat fifteen hundred calories a day. So you starve yourself. And then on top of starving yourself, have most of those from carbohydrates. So you're always hungry. And what happens after only eight weeks of eating, a low calorie diet is your grilling, which is your hunger. Hormones can be elevated for up to a year later. So why do you think there's no reunion episodes for the biggest loser? These people are wrecked mandate. They put, they put them exactly what the government has told us to exercise more move more, eat less and these people are just, yeah, while you're doing it working out four hours a day and eating twelve hundred calories, you just gonna shed on the spot, but it's gonna come back man and these people, you know. They should. They should. These people should come on TV and talk about this stuff. You know, they don't because it's probably barest, you know, there's none of these people. It comes down to what, what? What sustainable to? Yes. Ultimately, it's like you got to be able to eat a certain way that's not just temporary. I mean, sure. There's deep reasons to detox short term thing and then get back to get back, but what's what's your your to? What's your consistent day of eating look like? And he has to be that you're saying she aided. Yeah, and that your got clarity, and you have a fair amount of energy and you're sleeping well, and you're able to perform the exercise or whatever it is you do for active duty. And so, I mean, it's like you said, you know, it's, it's. When you did your the car thing that you did the two hundred cards and like having a PD I don't ever eat carbs. Yeah. And then you were advised all you're gonna do what fifty thousand meters or role in two thousand meters of ROY. There's somebody was like. Oh, yeah. Like gonna have some carbs before that. And I had I had two hundred that night and then I had eighty the next day on top of that. And what ended up happening is like I woke up because I'm always testing blood sugar and blood key tomes. And I'm always looking to see what happens. So I expected my blood sugar be little bit. Elevated by key tones were still a little bit high, but keystones us like you don't just like eat carbs and they poof disappeared. There's there's like they gotta be used up and then maybe tomorrow they'll keep those weed out. But what ended up happening is he's like, do your as much as possible fasted. So you got those carbs in your system was going to happen is you're gonna have like a duel, fuel system going on only if you fat adapted, not if you're not if you're not that adapted the worst of both way, right? So what ended up having ended up to thirty seven thousand meters without anything. And by the end of that thirty, seven thousand meters by blood was already like in the low eighties, and my key tones were like two point something. And then I had the eighty carbs. And then I waited a few hours and ended the last thirteen thousand meters that lasts thirteen. Thousand meters by the end of that, my blood sugar was at sixty eight and my key tones were at four point four. Now, let me tell people, they're probably thinking, wow, that's Hypo seeming. If you're Kita genyk and you have low blood sugar, it's different. You don't have the symptoms because your blood sugars naturally lower. So as key tones go up, blood sugar goes down. It's like an inverse relationship. And so what ended up happening is you're so insulin sensitive that that your your body was like, carbs, the intimate was like, I know exactly what to do. You just touch that insulin in the incident was like, take those carbs to the muscles. We're gonna use those carbs up when those carbs of done, then we'll get to the fat. So I was able to use all those car lines as then us all the fat. And that's why I think more people should look at low carb at least have to be Kito because they can really get those benefits and people who do long distance, whether they're Kito or not. They feel that high at in the middle of a race because when you're you're. You're, you're carbohydrate can only lasts along the the strongest person with like a decent amount of size and even body fat or whatever only has about two to three thousand calories worth of glycogen in their muscles and their liver, and then they're going to have to start pounding the gels right. The everybody has forty, two hundred thousand calories of fat, you know. And if you're not going to tap into that fat, if insulin's high from eating all those carbs, so incident has to be low enough to where your body's like his incident says, stop, keep the fat there. We got carbohydrates so use. So if insulin's low, then the bodies like, okay, let's let's use this fatness, mobilize some of this fat. So it's a cleaner burning fuel, you know, it's in, it's a more abundant fuel, so I it makes a lot of sense now totally does. It's just it can. Can you get to that point? Are you willing to sacrifice us what we've been so conditioned to e. And what we've faced with socks, you know, you gotta go to the Kito flu what they say, which is a lot of the time due to not only cutting the carves from your diet, but also went insulin drops. Like I said, from the car was being dropped to what had what happens when insulin drops it signals your body to like your kidneys to p stuff out. So that's part of why people knew so much weight in the first weekend Kito because a lot of its waterway, but your body's not like just being water. It's peanuts, sodium, potassium, calcium all the electrolytes, magnesium. And so I tell people if they're switching is very, very important to have electrolytes, like take a quality, magnesium supplement, not something that even GNC or vitamin Shoppe. Has you gotta get the health food stores like the hippy stores yet? They're going to have like magnesium glycemic key later, magnesium, magnesium citrate, obviously not the fluids so you're not gonna blow it out, you know, right. The pills. And then take like potassium, you'll, you'll get potassium in. Avocados, I think some of these leafy greens have potassium like hill and, and then sodium salt. All your food go against what your doctors telling you. The American Heart Association is telling us to eat dangerously low levels of sodium. No one follows it. Thank God because especially athletes athletes need sodium. It's so important to stay hydrated, and it's a little. It's not like you should be putting salt tablets, water or salt your food from salt on your food. And actually for like a guy like me. I haven't done this in a while 'cause I have like a electrolyte drinks that I drink, and my meat had kids like when they want juice, it's either gonna be amino acids, or electrolyte drinks, or sometimes executives keystones because they're tasting really good knowledge. They've made them taste good, and I don't give it to them. Like here kid take keystones no, there. They might get the benefits of the key tomes, but they also get sodium from the key tones to because they're bound to him. So. So like, yeah, I, I used to take like a teaspoon of salt in my water like that was my my pre workout so that I'm well hydrated. Because if I if I am not diligent, especially as a carnivore, which I, I could say I'm carnivore, but I have one meal days going to have some sort of plant matter in it like today was advocating on. Carrots has avacado and cabbage. My dinner's always usually like a huge stake, you know, like like a pound and a half rib eye or something like that. So in some where can people find you like what is the best place I've actually much earlier, we mentioned fat, fueled family. Where can they find you? We're the best places to find you and learn more about what you do. So Kito counterculture, Instagram, Facebook, we have the fat, fuel dot family. If you go to WWW dot fat field family, they're going to go there and it's gonna say, sign up for your Email and we'll let you know. And then it's on Facebook and Instagram. We have the genyk athlete podcast, which is the key to Jack dot com. Fantastic. I mean, great information. We, I think we got through quite a lot of stuff here. I said you had to work, could I know. Too much. Interesting backstory. So I wanted to talk about some of that, but I've I wanted to dive in Kito and the whole philosophy and how it it's in your home and it's, you know, it's not just you, it's your wife, it's your kids still live, you know, it's interesting. I mean, it's very interesting, right because you don't hear it. You don't really don't here, and there's a lot to learn about it. And I mean, no, there's a, we often look at each other and wonder why in our world today, why there's so much. Crap. You know, with our with our kids have a lot of it. I feel like comes down to like nutrition. I mean, there's so much of nutrition base thing and and just like the way they act in the mood and their growth and their illness or the way, you know, just all these things are connected to what we're feeding. Think about it this way you give a kid all the sugar, and then you like sit down I and then classroom for forty five minutes. And we're like, yeah, you made you say, do give looking out the window and your twitching y'all. He doesn't know if he likes girls are not right. He's got too much sugar, and it systems really would like to be outside running around the soccer ball, but he's just like, and then they wanna label it. And let's medicate. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, oh my gosh, like where we going, we're so we're going, we're going so far in so many ways like far forward. But we're going so fact words, but now is, is. Making all this stuff, you know, because information used to be so much in concentrated like you had to go to your doctor and you had to book an appointment for him to read you your bloodwork. Now you can go to private labs dot com. Get your bloodwork show up, get your labs, two days later, they send it to you and and you're, you're able to read what other doctors are doing that are may not be the standard of care and you can say, why aren't you doing this? And the doctor, you know, they're going to say. Going to be a jerk about it, or they're going to be like, you know what? I'm not. I never heard of that. Let me look into, you know, and that's what some of my doctor friends who are like Kito friendly. They're like, listen to tell you doctor. He's not caught up on his reading. He needs to catch up on his reading. There's lots of stuff. He's not just because they're a an MD or whatever there. It doesn't mean that they're the expert in all these other nutrition. It's not as it's not. It's not applicable. It's totally irrelevant to me like someone and this is what they throw that in your face, especially I don't get into these online things. I don't know how this happened recently because I never and someone's like, well, I'm a nurse in such as like, listen, you're not the first nurse to talk to me and try to shut me down because your nurse. Okay. If you didn't get an RDA or you didn't like studying nutrition, you being nurses not relevant to this conversation at all. There's people in this Facebook group was a Facebook group that can teach you lots of things, and they're not nurses, right? But they've spent who knows how many hours reading and rows. Information? Yes. Kalispell there's like these websites that are like, you know, like, you know, telling these people that they're like, hippy, dippy? Stuff that's maybe not based on science and I get that. But at the same time, it's nice to have that that democratization of information, you know. So that's fantastic. I, yeah, it's a crazy world we live in and I guess we should just be happy that we're living in it. The threat they wake up to you if you were free, but two feet on the ground and thank God for for van here. You know. So to that man. Well, it's, it's been a real pleasure. We'll have to have you back and tied. There's obviously a lot of different topics that we can cover with you. And so now I think it's time for us to go out in the in the compound navy and that's exercise or film a few YouTube video. So I think I think we're gonna move on. Thank you all for listening. Be sure to check out Danny Vega and some of the sites and places that you can find him that he just mentioned. And it's been a real pleasure having him here today. Talk and Kito and a little bit of everything else, and we'll talk to him real soon. Hey, if you want the free seven worst disaster on killers report than just text test. Oh two, three, four, five, three, four, five that's test. Oh, t. e. s. t. o. two three, four, five, three, four, five. And you'll get a text from me asking for your Email, then you'll get the free report sent to your Email inbox. And if you're not in the US or Canada than you can grab the free report at critical bench dot com forward slash bonus dash video. Thank you for listening and stay strong by design.

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223: The truth about metabolism | Cate Shanahan, M.D.

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223: The truth about metabolism | Cate Shanahan, M.D.

"Welcome to the MY BUDDY GREENE. Podcast objects in walkup founder. And cosio of my buddy green and your host. Today's episode is brought to you by my buddy green and our incredible museum plus sleep product before this product. It took me hours to get to sleep and end up tossing turning than hitting the snooze on the alarm as woke up in the morning. Yes I slept but it really wasn't quality now with magnesium plus I fall asleep faster I stay sleep and I wake up rejuvenated and without an alarm clock. Look we all know when you don't sleep. It's pretty brutal. And it is terrible for your immunity in terrible for your health and yeah I slept but it wasn't quality sleep and now I never knew that sleeve could be so good. I hope you check out our pioneering sleep formula at my green dot com slash museum. That's buddy green dot com slash museum. So Dr K Ahan is a board certified family physician and the author of deep nutrition and her latest must read is called the fat burn fix boost energy and hunger and lose weight by using body fat for fuel. It sounds awesome to me cade trained in biochemistry genetics at Cornell before attending the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School and served as the director of the L. A. Lakers nutrition program for six years as a basketball fan. I am very excited about the Lakers. So Kate Welcome. Thanks so much for having me on your show Jason. So there's so many interesting concepts in your book and the the first one that stuck out to me is your view on fat and you talk about toxic body fats and healthy body fat and so many people say oh body. That's bad but there's a difference so let's talk about toxic body fat versus healthy body fat. Yes the most important at aspect of health is whether or not you can burn your body fat for fuel and healthy body fat. Is there for you to use as a fuel and in fact your cells do better when you are burning your body fat? Then they do. When you're burning the the calories from whatever it was that you just ate and the reason for that is if you think about nature is pretty smart and what we build body fat from is the extra whatever in our food and it's not just fat from our food that ends up in our body fat. It's extra any big so if we eat too much car too much protein if we too much of anything it's going to end up in our body fat and the body fat that we build is designed so intelligently to be the best fuel like we don't just build random fat there's very specific recipe for building healthy human body fat and has to do with the type of fatty acid if you heard the term saturated versus monounsaturated versus polyunsaturated so there is a specific ratio that our body does well with of Saturated monounsaturated and polyunsaturated. And that's what our body. What's in our body fat? It's building our body fat from the extra calories in our food. So how do we know if the body fat you know? The body fat I have on me is healthy or toxic. The best way to now is through an assessment of how you feel when you're hungry so this is actually really an important metabolic click Whether or not you can burn out for fuel like I said is the number one most important determinate of Health Longevity Performance of inflammation status. It is the number one most important thing and your body is actually. If you just know how to listen to it your body may have been telling you that your metabolism is holding you back specifically inflammation and it talks to you by way of how you feel and one of the key things to pay attention to is. How do you feel when you've gone longer than you? Normally do without eating anything in other words like. Let's say you normally have a some kind of breakfast at seven. Am and normally have lunch at noon. And you didn't get your lunch. You're too busy now. It's too. Are you starting to feel hanger? E R us. You know that feeling of of irritable hungry angry when they call angry hungry angry and are used to kill brain fog. There's actually eleven very common symptoms of not ways that your body's trying to warn you that you're not able to burn your body fat for fuel and when you feel any of these eleven symptoms. It means you're not burning your body fat for fuel very efficiently. You don't have a healthy efficient metabolism that can easily flip from whatever the calories were in your breakfast burning those up for fuel to burning your body fat. That's why you have body fat. It's it's not just supposed to be like this challenge of you know. Let's keep that body fat down. Let's make sure it's on all the right places it's there for energy. It produces all kinds of chemicals that help naturally regulate your body weight your energy level your mood your hormones your immune system and when it's healthy all those things are working properly and when it's not the first sign is that when you've gone longer than your normal without eating your you'll feel good that's one of the most important science how you feel so ever couple couple follow up questions one you talk about extending time between meals and knock getting angry or brain. Fog is intermittent fasting the test so to speak and playing without extending fast periods. To See if I feel okay I can do this. That is one way to test it absolutely actually book the fat fix what. I was at a have like a little worksheet that you can use for week to test and see how often raise snacking and howdy. How often do you feel just in the course of a normal week? Because I don't WanNA necessarily have. People Dabble with intermittent fasting if their metabolism is not healthy enough to do that and and that is a thing that happens that you can actually try to go on. an internist intermittent fasting routine and But not be ready for it and you won't get the benefits If you're not ready for it you can. Actually you can actually feel worse or you can actually do some damage wrote so you mentioned Healthy Metabolism. And something else you said. The book which I thought was very interesting is we tend to say fast metabolism a lot but you say no healthy metabolism is flexible enough fast. So can you elaborate on that by a flexible? I'm referring to the ability to flip back and forth between burning calories from whatever you just ate. And then burning your body fat. So that it's a seamless transition so that if you eat something and whether or not your next meal comes along in three hours or three days your body fat as fuel you we do get to a point after a certain number of hours or days without eating anything where we're not doing ourselves any good but most people don't have to worry about that because most people at most will skip a meal right. That's kind of the most common way of doing what we're calling now. Intermittent fasting. When I grew up it was called. Didn't eat lunch. It wasn't a big thing and and I mean I'm I'm making light of it like as if this new thing now. Intermittent fasting is a thing. But it's it is because so few people are actually able to seamlessly. Move from burning the calories in their last meal to burning their body fat anymore. Because we do have this problem of widespread of toxic body fat. It's a metabolic problem and it goes by a bunch of other names. Include so toxic body found at the highest level to understand if we have it. It's it's largely about the feeling it is there. I'm curious like I'm the guy who gets you know. Blood Testing quarterly. Have Twenty eight miles of blood. I I've talked about the PODCAST. I had like ridiculously high homeless. Osteen at one time. It was interesting that none of other markers were pretty. Much more elevated. My homocysteine was sixty. Three I see that when people burn their protein for fuel more so than they should be doing so I got to twelve freight that's important and so so wait up jury so protein for fueled talk about that. 'cause 'cause you also talk about having too much protein so I'm curious what do you what's the most part in this idea. That too much protein can be a problem because a lot of people. Don't think that right so yeah too. Much of anything is going to turn into body fat. Okay so we can't. There's no carte blanche with any kind of a any of the three macro so it's not like you need a car. Be Wants me. He can eat all the fat. And it's certainly not like you can eat all the protein one So anything in consumed in excess has to be stored body fat and And when you are eating too much protein you're consuming a lot of a molecule called nitrogen In Adam and nitrogenous very reacted with oxygen and so it promotes when you have so much of it. Your your liver has to deal with too much nitrogen. Your kidney has to deal with too much nitrogen and can promote something called oxidative stress and inflammation and so Glutathione gets consumed when that happened. Glutathione is one of the bodies most important antioxidant fighting cofactors and The body makes it. And when your need for inflammation fighting enzymes exceeds your ability to keep up with glutathione demand in the many many other many components necessary to control inflammation than your home assisting level goes up it's a reflection of uncontrollable inflammation and that can be caused by excessive protein especially protein powders and it almost always happens in the setting of eating the wrong kinds of fats in having unhealthy body fat. That is making you More often and making you You kind of live on the edge of eating too much and not eating enough. Because you're not able to use your body fat smooth all out interesting. I actually the way I got it down a frank by doctor and he got me in a cocktail vitamins immediately and I actually started to eat. Something happened for me. I'm forty five in my forties. Where the more meat I ate. My Lipid profile started to go the wrong way and so I also cut down the amount of animal protein. I was eating so those two things and went down in the teens pretty quickly and I have. Mta Jeff are all about so yeah. A lot of people doing the lean and clean. Get into the same exact problem because lean lean meats very high protein. So you're you can end up eating thirty percent of your calories from protein which is difficult especially in the setting of not getting enough of the right kinds of fats. So yes so pulling back on that doubly can make some things Function better I mentioned. Ice Got started on. Homocysteine rang. 'cause I mentioned I get all those labs and so with regards of what we can. Come back to me after the show genetic Weirdo that way. Most people don't have sky high esteem so with regards to labs and having the wrong body. Fat like ardor labs like is it just about feeling. Are there specific markers if someone wants to do? Bloodwork that call outs that? Maybe something wrong. Definitely there's a whole host of them and I do go over all of that in the book but just kind of give you some examples. One of them is the ratio of your checklists right number two your HDL number If you're traveling all right is more than two. And a half times your. Hdl and shield just to refresh. People's memories is the so called good cholesterol It's very often an indicator that your body fat is not accepting shipments of new fat kristoff. So the triglycerides stay in your bloodstream. Too Long and that's what elevates your rights and that you have so much inflammatory processes going on there. Hdl drops your body can't control of some of the things that keep hd levels high which are like location reactions. Those little few can't control location which is a form of oxidation and than your hdl level drops if you can't Control Lipid Oxidation. Which is another form of oxidation than your HDL. Drops so that ratio is is very important indicator so ideal ratio if you said over two and a half is no good where do you want it to be for triglycerides? Hdl while ideally be one or more HDL triglycerides splinter. Many people get when they follow the The Diet that is totally free of these these bad oils. That are the source of your toxic body fat and I WanNa make sure that we cover that you are definitely not a fan of vegetable oils. You're definitely not a fan of vegetable oils right now. I I think vegetable oils are the number one cause of health problems in this country. And I think it's It's a tragedy that Harvard is still recommending them. So can you just run through them for everyone quickly like in terms of levels of of of damage if you will for sure? So there's there's I call it the hateful eight eight of them. They're one easy Monica's there's three season three S.'s. So corn can look cottonseed. Soy's sunflower staff lower and then the other two Grapeseed and Race Brand. And those last two you'll see more commonly used in restaurants. The first six are are often used in restaurants but most common in a super comment health food stores. I mean it's it's also shameful that whole foods and other health food stores use these things in their products that they label healthy people think they're healthy because they're organic so you touched on the macro so protein fat carb and we talked about having you know potentially too much protein which begs the question. How much is enough and in your opinion like what are the best sources of protein? I know we're all individuals varies but it Kinda so protein is the goldilocks Macro Nutrient Ghost Important one in most fussy one should say like there's a just right zone but it's zone you know it's not a big zone as somewhere between twelve percent and thirty percent depending on what else you're doing So but that's a range. It's like a factor of two So it would be somewhere between Say like of fifty grams to maybe a high of a hundred twenty. But it's super variable depending on your lean mass your height But it's not gonNA range too much beyond that fifty and one hundred twenty. You can do pretty well with one hundred twenty. Don't necessarily need more even if you are six. Seven of yes. That's not many guessing. Many of our listeners have my height but I always appreciate getting advice just for me. Yeah I you I heard you earlier. Podcast we're basketball player up so yeah so that's protein is like the most important macro nutrient to to pay attention to make sure you're getting enough but not too much and I always recommend getting protein from whole foods and avoiding protein. Powders as much as possible in there if you're curious about why but that's an important message that I want People who hear this to understand that Protein powders are not the same as food body processes them very differently especially if we have that raw kind of body fat and have too much polyunsaturated. Cedar Hills in our in our diets. So what are your favorite sources of of protein? I'm curious what your favorite Vegetarians. Sources as. Well so my vagrant vegetarian sources would be really anything. That's high in protein to deliver a good solid wall it without raising blood. Sugar too quickly. And that's it like I don't I'm not I'm not telling people that they need to You know peel their their grapes and a tomatoes and stuff like that to avoid the lessons in the skin. That is that. Is You know something that maybe a tiny fraction of one percent of the population by actually need because maybe they lack some enzyme. After having some antibiotic but human beings come into this world with healthy immune systems needing to to do such micromanagement of the things that we eat. The world around us is filled with natural food and we've cultivated a lot of it to make sure that it has the amount of toxic know that we can handle. We create toxins when we cook food right. So it's not like we'll ever live in a toxin three world so create toxins. They do so that we don't eat them so our beans. Okay refried beans. In your opinion. It depends on factor. They're Frieden so I'll tell you. What would we do? A lot in our in our cove nineteen court eighteen. So my wife calling an IRA family. What we do a lot of lately we do our take tortillas with some refried beans and in the Pan we use our primal kitchen avocado oil spray and we put a little like organic Jack Cheese and we have like are being cheese Caissoti as we do that a lot and then we also do a lot of like wild salmon with like some veggies or call fire right so so you tell me how are we. How are we doing? You have to check the container so does not refried beans. I'm assuming they're coming out on. Canterbury make from an Arab Cup comes over cat. Organic refried beans Joss chat because some of them don't have any added fat and some of them do and chances are if they do. It's not going to be the traditional Lard. Because people are terrified and wrongly so of of it these days so if there is any fat it's probably going to be one of the wrong oils so so check but they do make a fat free form. So I'd recommend those instead. You have the fat-free beans because you're not gonna find the traditional fat. You're not gonNA find him in Lard unless you actually go to Mexico. Maybe it's yeah. It's more expensive to use so fewer and fewer people even in traditional Mexican areas like Mexico. you're gonNA find fewer fewer where they actually use the traditional fat. It's it's now just going to be. It's basically think of it as filler. Right. It is nearly free and it acts as a preservative and it helps fill you up literally so why not add it if you're an evil manufacturer and all you care about? Is your bottom line. Interesting I've fat free 'cause you're also fit will segue to fat so I if we don't really talk about fat free law for most part it's were over that as a society but for beans not the case for it well for every food we have to consider what is the nature of the fat. Whether we're talking about enes are salad dressing. So what are your favorite like in terms of you know. We're not demonizing fat. But there's a difference. The healthy fats healthy fats. Like what are your? What are your favorite healthiest fats. So the there is no such thing. Nature does not make an unhealthy fat. We do in our factory so so if we're talking about fat that is on a whole food. It's good so whether that's beans themselves. Do a little bit of fat any other seed fruit Like a coconut or avocado or eggs. Cheese dairy fat Animal fat. That's natural fat. Nature makes that stuff and human beings have been consuming it since probably since there were human beings herbs at least since we discovered and cultivated some of these High fat things like beans and nuts. The so that's all good and then so then the really the only other question becomes okay. Well I cook stuff. In what way add with an added fat? What kind of added finest safe and those are the traditional added fats which are very close to whole foods right so butter for example. That is too simple steps away from milk. One you let the cream rise to the top. That's step one. Step to your turn it for a while in like a wooden chair right. We don't do that anymore. But that's how simple it is. You don't need high heat. You don't need complicated equipment. You don't need refining machinery. You just let the cream rises to the top skimming off. And then he start turning around and many make butter so it's very close to a whole food all of oil. You start with Plump Green Olives and you run a very heavy stone over. This is how it's done traditionally thousand years ago before we had factories and the Oil squirts out you collected all and it's dark green and full of sediment in it which is full of nutrition which came from the olive pulp loaded with antioxidants loaded with minerals That's good stuff and the same with any traditional fat coconut oil. That's traditional. That's because it's so easy to get the fat from a high fat through like a coconut also. Fruit Avocados are also very easy to get the oil from those things That when you talk about peanuts that is An oil that it's like there is a good version of it in an oak cave version of it and it has to do with how deeply it's been processed it's analogous to olive oil. Really like we know I press extra virgin olive oil. That's the better stuff and eventually there's a quality of olive oil that so bad it's called laminate because we didn't eat it. I think it was called. It's called that because we put it lamps and burned. It was good for fuel but it wasn't good consume and so there's you can do that with fat from anything you can. You can get every last drop out of the original product in such a way that you're damaging it and then you need to refine it and when you refine it you strip away. All of the beneficial nutrients antioxidants vitamins minerals. You've made it like it's empty calories but you also probably pretty toxins in the process. So that's why my hateful eight are in The Hague? So you mentioned peanuts leads me to ask about nut butters. I was pleasantly surprised in your book that you know you were okay with peanut butter. Which makes me in a lot of people listening. Probably very happy so you are. You aren't of all that butters is that the case. I'm a fan of food yet. Good foods toxic stuff that we're too stupid to recognize right. I love the code. I'm a fan of food. Nature doesn't make to nature does try to trick US sometimes. But it's really just for its own protection so that we don't overeat right and we're not that dumb that we're going to over we're going to overeat stuff that is literally toxic and we're going to haul over debt. We have this very important. Oregon cod liver. An animal. Animal livers are capable of dealing with a certain amount of toxins. The herb of workers are exposed to all kinds of toxins from the plants. They eat hundred percent of the time How is it that Koalas can handle eucalyptus a no other animals can because the eucalyptus like oil and Turpentine toxins in there because the Koala has enzymes in its digestive tract and liver? That break it down. Will we have enzymes in our liver? We have actually bigger livers than most other than most carnivores because we do so much cooking and cooking creates toxins. That didn't exist whether you're eating animal food or a plant food so we covered protein. We covered fats. What about carbs? What are what are the healthiest CARBS EATING? Near opinion that healthiest carps are those also that are closer to the whole food and those that like nature makes right and that's because when nature makes them they're in a delivery system that is not like main lining sugar so for example. Let's go back to a beam So beans are in a matrix of protein fat and fiber like the carbohydrate in beans are is in a matrix of those other three components and so it just takes time for our digestive enzymes to get in there and break down the carbohydrates. So it's not going to spike or blush so far mentioned blood sugar. I'll go to sugar quick. I think that's one thing that everyone can agree on. Is You know sugar not so good but I think the question is like look. Sugar is is part of life. It's fun to have dessert every once in a while so curious like how much sugar is okay and our favorite sources of when you do decide to have a nice treat Yeah sure I think the best form of sugar is fruit and I actually use fruit as like a think of. I like to encourage people. Think of it sort of is a spice where it's going to spice up something that you're eating for example. A salad like. Let's say you've got kids? Who aren't big fans of spinach ruble or whatever your? Greens are but they love blueberries. Well throw some blueberries in your salad along with some carrots and some other stuff and you know if you WANNA have a desert. I don't think it's beneficial relate to use these artificial sweeteners. Let's just not You know loaded up on sugar all the time. Because the artificial sweeteners have been shown to disorder your appetite systems in your head which is one of the four fat-burning systems they talk about in the fabrics. Book is the Relation Center in our head and if we separate sweet taste from energy the way the artificial sweeteners do that is confusing to our brain. It's like sweet. Tasted come along with a lot of energy and if you use artificial sweetener that's calorie free. Their sweet taste. But there's no energy and it just can use the brain so you hydrate energy. You mentioned before five Burns systems which you cover in the book when what are those four systems the I'll give them to you. In order of simplicity so the simplest of all is the might contract. That's where all the calories that you'd never burned in your light get burned inside your cells. The energy factories of yourself a produce this thing called. Atp Energy That's system one system. Two is the hormones that regulate your energy balance regularly what your body does with carbohydrate for example what it does with that whether it's GonNa put in storage or whether it's going to take it out of storage The third is your body fat itself. Your Body. Fat. Isn't organ it. We don't think about it like we think about our livers or kidneys. Like how healthy is are those organs. How healthy is our while? We also have very important question right now. The most important one because so many people the answer is no. It's not healthy is how healthy is your body fat. Because your body fat is supposed to be Providing your cells with energy and it also all these hormones and these hormones that it creates give you energy or make you tired and hungry and when your body fat is unhealthy you have low energy and you feel tired and hungry all the time. Because that's your body fat saying they're slink. Almost no energy in here that your body wants to use because the fat itself is toxic as a very bad state to be in when your body fat you have it you want you need to burn it if you WANNA lose weight You just need to burn it to get through your day but it damages your cells. That's aw that's what it damages fabra system one. That's what I mean by toxic body fat that you're it's fat that you can't get energy from efficiently without damaging yourself and so just to finish the fourth is your appetite regulation centers in your brain which are the things that control your cravings and You know we talk about sugar being addictive substance. That's where that addiction happens. And the fat hormones that your fat cells may are constantly trying to talk to your brain and when you have inflammation in your brains from too much of these fish oils that your brain can't see the body fat. It's like your brain thinks restarting you look in the mirror and you see body fat. Your brain has no way of seeing what you're seeing it does is get information from the hormones and when the appetite centers are inflamed which they will be. If you've been eating the seed oils then. You can't see that the rain can't see has no Nonni of all this energy in your body fats. Let's go hungry entire all the time she does the pig we come back to. Hungary tire those the two big accuse. Something's off so tired so one thing you know I love. It seems like there are lots of health benefits to drinking coffee and so. I drink coffee. I just love I love the taste of coffee have espresso on the morning of a cup of black coffee. I'll have coffee later in the afternoon. Mike question to you is how much is too much. And what is it a problem like you talk about like tired like we all so much of us like reach for that coffee in the afternoon Maybe it's partly habit. Maybe it's partly so I'm just really tired. And what's what's healthy in your opinion to the onto cops. You're always relying on caffeine and you're not really You can get to a point where you need it. More than I think is healthy I also Recently it was very disturbed to discover that caffeine reduces the blood flow to your brain which isn't cool because I like my brain to have plenty of blood but caffeine reduces that and You know it's totally counterintuitive. How it make you feel more alert. Actually reducing the energy flow of nutrients And Fuel and oxygen to your brain. And that's a you know. Finish fascinating question. I think the answer is that it reduces the blood flow to the brain areas. That are extremists baked. You're concentrating on something. It makes that be the only thing you're paying attention to. Which if you're in a good mood makes it more fascinating so to cops. But do I get a Third Cup since I'm six seven? Yeah we should probably portion. You're talk about the portion of your cups. Like how big are they big? I'll give myself a third cup so hurt you. I mean it's not like it's it's what I put that limit out there. It's more about your relationship with stuff than what it's going to do to your body even your brain blood flow question because this is an N. of one but my dad has been like the perfect petri dish of what happens when you consuming extraordinary amounts of coffee He is I seventy eight. I think now he's got one kidney 'cause he donated the other to my brother ten or more years ago he still working. He does cross it every day. He walks or bikes tour at seventy eight and He's I have never seen drink water. I think he owned hotz his. He has to measure his coffee in pots. Not Cups. So I know you're based in Florida's you have abundant vitamin D. But that's something. You're also fat of Vitamin D. Absolutely I mean. It's a vitamin right. One of the few things that I learned in medical school that was true. Nutrition wise was had. Vitamins are good for you. And of course didn't learn the right amount of vitamin D Reich is the RDA. Vitamin D is somewhere around. Four hundred in that. So overdue for updating. Because I don't I don't I mean that was just based on averages and may back when it was actually determined generations ago now people got enough sunlight but we don't anymore and I Went through a period where I was testing everybody When I lived in Hawaii believe it or not and and most people were low less. They were surfers and even a few of them were low or unless they were supplementing healthy level of vitamin D and European. So there's a good data to say that you need more than thirty with lab value cuts off at thirty I feel like Let's try to think about what people used to get. Which was probably if you get your skin if you're wearing a bikini or bathing suit in twenty minutes in the summer Can make twenty thousand units international units of Vitamin D. So you know you're not going to probably do that every single day because you'd get a somber If you're fair skinned but You know something. Close to twenty thousand units once a week which translates to at least two four thousand. A day only gives you. I've tested enough to know this. A level of the low thirties. So I maybe fifty is good but I'm not some says you have to get it up to ninety data. They're so How would you summarize your food philosophy in Near opinion like what what does work for most people. How should we all be eating? So that was actually the entire subject of our first book called deep nutrition while your genes needs traditional food. Which Kinda spoiler alert genes need traditional food? And that's my philosophy. We should feed our genes. What they expect they bald on and we in this country we talk about nutrition as if we just invented it like you know that we talk about the science of nursing humans as if it's something that We still need more data on is that we have no data as if we have no data available to us from anything other than these recent studies in the RDA and randomized controlled trials. And that is the biggest lie nutrition science. We have tons of data on what people used to eat in the form of cookbooks and just traditional cuisine so that is a humongous body of nutritional knowledge that Really nobody is talking about. And that's why my husband and I wanted to identify whatever there might be in common with all traditional cuisines around the world because that's what our genes need. That's what they evolved to expect so we did identify that. And there's four of them and that's what deep nutrition is all about real food and there's four four elements of real food that are super important for optimal health. Could you talk through those four? Very quickly absolutely. The first is fresh food so things that have been cooked fermented and sprouted. So if you have too much fresh you got to preserve the rest later by new information or things that are self preserving lake seeds. They should be sprouted. I to optimize their nutrition and the third pillar is meat on the bone so this is including not just the lean meats leaning clean not good too with the fat that comes with the animal you also need to include the skin and the joint materials huge thing for the Lakers and huge breakthrough in their healing and recovery processes to get gelatinous material. And then the fork. Which is something that we've come so far away from it like we just roll our eyes. Even which is organ meats. We don't eat or the meats in this country and we are way less nurse than we would be if we did and I'm talking about You know all animal parts. We used to eat them all if you look at any book published before nineteen hundred. You're going to see recipes for every part of the animal literally knows detail including like weird things like the Asakusa so there's nutrition in all of that and we don't get it. So you mentioned working with the Lakers and Opinion I played basketball in college and I love basketball and I think that professional basketball players are the best athletes in the world. It's amazing what they're able to do an up curious in working with them like what's the what's diet of a professional athlete at the highest level. And how did you approach that so before I got there? The diet was your typical sports. Nutrition dietician recommendation which was really kind of law of skinless boneless white meat chicken brown rice and steamed Broccoli with some kind of fake butter on it if anything in no salt now. That's not what they did. But because their idea of healthy food is so alike a limited and so unpleasant to consume they were addicted to all kinds of horrible fast foods and Junk Foods Candy. You know any kind of dessert. Any kind of try and deep fried anything. So that's what it was. We got there and by the time that when we implemented our program they came to understand a lot more about what healthy food actually really isn't how delicious it is. One of their favorite things was seuss made with his bone stock from you know the pillar on meat on the bone That when you have that gelatinous bone stock in there just makes it so rich and you can have any kind of animal fat. You candidate kind of plant fat. You can have any kind of spice or anything to make it taste. Good and with chef at the Lakers facility was so talented that people would they would start their career. Maybe with the Lakers and then they would go somewhere else. They came back. They would come back in they said. Oh my God I love. This food is so much better than anywhere else. I've been because we're just getting back to route our roots. This is traditional food. This is how good food is supposed to be. And it's supposed to be fantastic because he use all the parts that are available to you. Don't throw away most flavorful. Things like we do right now. Few likes bone broth. Yes I love your skin your hair nails and in addition to your joints enter gut. And so I be remiss not to ask With his passing what will was Kobe. Bryant like what was it like working with heaven. And how did he? How did he eat? He was very direct very respectful very much. The leader if he believed in something he wanted everyone else to know what it was and He he. He was pretty sophisticated in his philosophy. He said that he didn't believe that any diet that wasn't good for your overall health could be good for your performance which is pretty profound right. Because we've got nutritionists. Were arguing that you need to eat. More sugar than I think is healthy. Because if you're an athlete you just need to feel with sugar. Forget they have body fat and in? Kobe didn't buy into that nonsense. So I you know. We haven't talked about covert at all and we aren't Kovin world and we're not going to go down the cove in Robert Hall but one thing I am. I've been curious about lately. Is You were becoming very sanitize world? So you know hand sanitizers the cost of living if you will and traveling and we of need to do it but there's definitely a consensus that it's not good for the skin bio so like what. How do we can't Iraq that that's the one thing we're doing this damage? We've gotTa have to do it when we travel and so forth so like how do you? How do you can rock the damage to the skin on your opinion with all the Senate like we're in the sanitize world? Yeah I think the whole approach needs to be looked at from a different perspective of is it really wise to forever try to live like the boy in the plastic bubble. A you remember that. Remember that movie in. He didn't have an immune system. Didn't have like whatever white blood cells so he lived his whole life without any good microbes and we know we're trying to be exposed trying to avoid the nature which is dirty And you know the approach that we're taking with this. Is that anti nature boy in the plastic bubble approach which I think you know if I if I were in charge of the world here I would have done it this way. I would have protected only the most vulnerable and I would have protected them most aggressively but I think to try to prevent a pro trying to prevent the common. Kohl's is that really smart. Is that something? That's sustainable. The answer's no and so to answer your question about what's going to happen with this endless Jesus's hand sanitizers. I think a lot of people with skin rashes. We're GONNA see a lot of people with weird skin infections even potentially from overuse of these weird chemicals that are killing off the good on our skin it. What can you do about it? Well if you insist on using the hand sanitizer if your employer does I would prefer actually that you wash with soap instead of regular so just because you're not going to at least be selecting for pathogens that can survive whatever chemicals in the hand sanitizer. Soak physically destroys the path. All you know everything equally right so it's not like selecting out for anything that could be more aggressive in burrow into your skin and caused serious infections like you know the series kind of staph and strep that people can get but and then Putting a moisturizer on your hands to at least foster a moisturizer with real traditional hats actually the moisturizers can foster the development of good bacteria and This scientists not really been. It's not something I'm an expert in there's probably dermatologists who a lot more about it than I do. But I it traditionally a lot of hot high sun intensive cultures did use skin creams complex. Ones like they would have certain kinds of clay certain kinds of fat in there and my belief is that it fostered the development of healthy bacteria because in these tropical climates. You get cut. It's so worm you could. You could have the worst kinds of weird organisms growing in that cutting. It gets sick really quick so they were without knowing anything about germs and microbes. They probably had figured out that. You healed faster when you use certain things on your skin so if you have to use hand sanitizer you definitely. WanNa use moisturizer your hands look for some who say fats in likes it. Like good healthy moisturizer. If you will I would still say to avoid the hateful. Eight in your moisturizers oils. So unlike a coconut oil is a traditional Actually in tropical climates they would ferment coconut oil in the Sun for certain defined amount of time And then use it as a hand sanitizer so that tells me that they were. Fostering some healthy bacteria in there are not handsome Kaiser. I'm sorry as a skin lotion. So by last question it's it's May twenty twenty What do you think we're GONNA be talking about a year from now like what's really interesting to you. In terms of attrition science or like where the world is going you know where. Where do you think we're GONNA be talking about a year from now? Well I'll just give you what I think we should do if we're smart. We if we know what's good for us we should take this whole corona virus As an opportunity to understand that our modern diet is the reason. This virus was so scary. It wasn't scary because older folks were getting pneumonias in nursing homes and dying from it because that happens every single year from the flu. That's why we invented flu vaccines and flew antivirals. So that heart even though it's not you know it's horrible if it's your grandparents they're dying of this but it's not the scary part that's that's part of life. Death is part of Life Infectious Disease Healing Older folks. That is part of how you know. It's they used to call it and this is going to sound terrible but this is the way the world used to be. It used to be more much sure about death as part of life and death at the end of life as an okay thing if that person was ready for it and so they used to call pneumonia the widows friend because it was. It's hard to live alone. You know when you're eighty five ninety In the day right in nursing homes so it was very often. That was how elderly women who die was from pneumonia and every year. The flu kills tens of thousands of elderly Americans and in fact way more than this corona viruses killed And and so. That's why I'm saying it's not scary because it's happens every year. What's been scary is that the virus seems to take out young people in you know. We talked for a while about well. These people have underlying health conditions yet. They have an unhealthy metabolism. And at but what made it really scared was every once in a while we'd be like will this person didn't have diabetes or any underlying conditions and it still took them out. It's a really bad virus. That's not what happened. What happened. Was that person who was labeled healthy. Had undiagnosed prediabetes fatty liver or other metabolic disease because the vast vast majority of prediabetes in fighting liver is undiagnosed in this country because doctors. Don't you know have a lot to offer for it? So we don't really screen for it so in your opinion like if we live Ellen listening wants to look for those things. Are there specific labs or tasks we should get to know if like someone listening may say like well like I think I'm pretty healthy but maybe not like how do I really know beyond the Hungry or tired so we already talked about the HDL tranquil strive ratio. That's very very important. If you're glycerine are much over one hundred certainly over one. Hundred and fifty. You may have a problem if your HDL is under fifty or the ratio is off. You know it's not two point five or higher And then If you're fasting blood sugars are consistently over ninety if your average blood sugar as measured by your elected. Mclovin is in the pre diabetic range. Which so you're glaciated Mclovin usually should be five point six or or lower that's a A number that diabetics and pre diabetics follow to see how well they're controlling their blood sugars. another is is your blood pressure normal is your blood pressure is higher than one. Twenty five over seventy five on a consistent basis you have a mild or very much higher than that more severe metabolic problem and it all comes down to the health of your body fat because in today's world and I haven't said this yet but you know these these these hateful ABC toils. They're not a minor component of a person's diet. Unless you're you know purposefully unless you're aware of them and you're avoiding purpose. They are at least eighty percent of your fat calories. And so if you're having half of your calories from fat these things are at least thirty. Thirty five percent of your total calories. That's a massive amount. We don't consume any other toxin in anywhere close to that quantity. And so that's why. This is the most important health marker whether or not your body fat is healthy because these the seed oils have something called polyunsaturated fatty acids they build up in your body fight over time. That's why your body becomes toxic because it has a high percentage of the polyunsaturated fatty acids from seed oils. That's why you're buying fat. Works against you. That's why metabolism goes down the wrong direction. And if it were not precede rails. I don't care about any of the other drug foods. If it were not pursue this corona virus would not be as serious as it is we would not have all this underlying conditions because the seed oils aren't 'cause the main cause the most powerful cause of these underlying conditions while we also need to shutdown that markets where people eat bats. It's it look it so it's horrific. It's sad there's devastation with people. Losing Lives People Losing Livelihood Z. CanNot like it's just sal around and it's it's it's complicated and I do think we would all agree that There there will be a focus again. Hopefully on you're really trying to take care of oneself so that we can build up our immunity and hopefully it gets hoping that's the silver lining. Yes I think that that is a silver lining. So we'RE GONNA start to get a little bit more real because for most of my career. Some people just didn't care if they were diabetic. Because they're like yeah but I'm fine. Take my meds I I don't care it's just you know it's so it's going to increase my risk of stroke. You know in ten twenty years it was a theoretical thing but this now makes it real in terms of staying alive flu season because I think it we're seeing we're coming understand that these infectious diseases hick off people who are not healthy. And that if you WANNA be able to live your life without having to be hospitalized for a month intensive care unit next time one of these things comes around then maybe let's let's take a good look at your diet and get yourself away from the judge received mostly in junk food. So if you go on any diet and stop that that gets you away from the deep fried stuff at restaurants all the junky muffins and stuff that you buy from Bay Grease and drive throughs and stuff like that. I I include that Junk Food and candy. You know if you get away from that kind of fake look extended shelf life food than that's like eighty percent. It sure it's in your salad dressings. You Might WanNa consider having something other than a salad. If you don't make it sil- addressing just put butter on steamed vegetables Sure is also in Mayo right so if you go to a restaurant that where you wanna get a sandwich. You'RE GONNA use their mayhem. You'RE GONNA get that bad stuff in there but But it's not as bad as the deep fried. It's not as bad as like that Muffin or the donut or the ships that are fried in the usual bad hatefully So my my last question will be on the fun light side. What is your favorite vegetable fun question? I'd say I'd say to be the onion because it's in every cuisine You can have it raw. You can cook with it and when you cook with it it helps de Blazer Pan so it helps if you cook meat first and then you add onions needed like the Brown stuff from me. You can D- glaze it with onion and a flat win spoon It it goes good with me with vegetables. You can caramelized. It makes Sugata as almost nothing. It can't do. Wow I love. It will close their the the underrated basketball kate. Thank you so much for all that you do and congrats on the FAB earn fix. Everyone needs to pick it up. It is a fascinating read. Congratulations thank you so much and it was fun talking to you.

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The Benefits of Vitamin B6

Diet Science

14:55 min | 5 months ago

The Benefits of Vitamin B6

"A. For the Week of August thirty first twenty twenty. This is Diet Science with McCaffrey D is nor ganic chemist and nutritionist who lost one hundred pounds staying away from processed foods down every week diet science de- covers the topic to that's important for you and your family's health this our co host, Michael McCaffrey. So she wants a topic for this week. This week, we are talking about the benefits of Vitamin B. Six interesting. Yeah, I know there are eight different b-vitamins, but they each have they worked together as a group, but then they each have their own unique role in the body. So vitamin B. Six is one. Of those vitamins that is very crucial in the functioning of our immune systems It's it's important for the production of red blood cells, which is haemoglobin. It works in our liver to help us detoxify things and it's also important for our brain neurotransmitters in the brain. So it's a very important vitamins. Today wanted to talk about some of its benefits in its food sources. Right let's dig into this vitamin B. Six yeah. So how many bees are there? There are actually eight different B vitamins. Okay. So here comes a layman's question share there are. Many many other letters of the alphabet. Why are they? All these crammed into be? Is there a purpose for that as some kind of scientific thing for that or no? Well this is a good question. If we go all the way back to you know how vitamins were first discovered and then kind of isolated in the foods they they came up with You know like the first one was a so yeah we're using letters as the names for these vitamins and we're logical to me. But what happened with the bees was that I thought there was only one th one type of nutrient that was. A B. Vitamin and B vitamins have the. Distinct role in the body of helping to convert our macro nutrients and energy. So like it's it's what helps turn our carbs in our fat and proteins into energy within ourselves. Pretty important. So so it was I. thought that there was only one of those that did that and later it was discovered that there are more related ones relate and so they started nate numbering them you know one, two, three. Okay or What's really interesting is there's there's an today we know that there are eight different numbered. B.. Vitamins but they don't go in order like really weird. It's like you got be one B two and b three but then there's no vitamin B four and then it's b five and B six and b seven but no eight and there's nine but no ten or eleven, and then there's a twelve do they relate to something? Important or or or are they all over the place? Oh, well, they like I said, they work as a group all involved in energy production within the body but then they also have other roles like individually. So for an and so what happened with the numbering of the bees is just you know to fill fill out that story is that some of those ones like vitamin B. Four in vitamin B., not I'm I'm sorry V. Ten. Or Eleven th. It was later discovered that those were they were compounds that are needed in the body, but they're not necessarily a vitamin. So vitamins have a very specific definition that they Our Body can't make them on its own until we have to get them from foods and those particular compounds that were originally thought to be a vitamin and had been given a number for a be vitamin were later found that they actually are not. not necessarily only needed to be derived by foods at our body can actually make them on its own from other materials, and so they were you know no longer called vitamin before vitamin B. Ten and eleven. So they have different names vitamin before is now called Choline Oh shall. Be Four. But then it's not a vitamin because it's right. Exactly. So yeah very interesting. Little Vitamin B eight is now known as Inositol. which is a compound that it our body can make on its own. We can get it from foods as well, but it's just not considered a vitamin anymore or what about vitamin D? Vitamin D. now, that's an interesting one because yes, we can make it within our body completely completely within our bodies. So that's an interesting one because there is controversy around that whether is this actually a vitamin or is it hormone right? Because it has hormone like activity? So I am like The rabbit. Right. So anyway, tell us about vitamin B. Six. So Vitamin B. Six is if important, you know like I said in in energy production within the body, but it has these other roles and some of those roles are You know detoxification but specifically, the brain functioning this is really important because it's involved in the production of several different neurotransmitters in the brain Namely Dopamine Serotonin and something called Gaba is G. A. B. A. but that stands for Gamma buroric acid and these all require vitamin B. six in order to be formed in the brain. There they all help us feel better, they definitely do and here's one of the things is I think a lot of times when we speak of vitamins and I try to explain this in layman terms to people about what's going on in our body bodies like a big chemical reaction going on in there. But think of it more in terms of like maybe a recipe and maybe even specifically a baking recipe like cake or something that requires specific amounts of certain ingredients in. If you don't have enough of what you need that recipes, not gonNA turn out right? You know you might still get something, but it's not gonna be perfect, right? It's not going to get you what you really want. It's not gonNA taste the same and might not have the right texture Nov that. So if we don't have enough of a specific vitamin that does its particular roles in the body than the whole thing is impaired. So. Like if you don't have enough B six, you're not going to be producing enough serotonin you might have some but you're not producing like the optimal levels that would maybe prevent you from being depressed or prevent you from with Gaba, is very regulated in in your attention in your memory. So you might start noticing you know a little bit of brain fog going on and maybe it just means you need a little bit more be six in your diet Okay. So what are we eat to get be six? So some of our best food sources of vitamin B. Six are going to be and these are very common foods. It's any kind of fish or seafood. Lean. Meats and especially like beef and organ meats for whatever reason especially like the liver tends to tend to have a little bit of B. Six in there and so as a good source but also things like Turkey and chicken and eggs. Leg which include beans, peas, and lentils, and the nuts and seeds I mean. It's in a lot of different variety of food and then when it comes to the vegetable family potatoes or actually a really good source of vitamin B. Six, you know this is one of my my my beef sales. With you know nutrition data from years passes at every the potatoes always get such a bad rap because of their carb content but oh my gosh, they are so full of other nutrients that we need. So we shouldn't throw that baby out with the bathwater. I always say if you eat the skin on along with the potato that you're getting a lot of those nutrients such, you need and then Several different types of fruits have vitamin B. Six, which is really interesting berries specifically like different types like strawberries and raspberries and blueberries, and then Papayas Cantaloupe and bananas are a really good source of vitamin B. Six. the only fruits that are not good sources of B. six or citrus. Really Yeah Yup oranges have like a little tiny bit but just not like considered good or excellent sources of vitamin B. Six. So have you ever recommended stop lament for B. Six for any of your clients and and isn't really a reasonable thing to do oh, I definitely have because of vitamin B. Six is also. Used in the production of stress hormone, adrenaline. So like whenever our bodies are under, any kind of stress were were pumping out the adrenaline to kind of help our body deal with that stress uses be so it's it's using it be six like you know very quickly. So we can easily become depleted in vitamin B. Six stressful SPA and other B vitamins as well but be. Six is really important for this Yeah. Because see all the b-vitamins are what we call water soluble meaning that they. They can be easily absorbed into the body, but they can't store anywhere like so we so we just flush them out every day whatever we don't use. So which is unlike the fat soluble vitamins which are things like vitamin D vitamin A, and E, and K. Those can actually start we can store some of those are fat cells. So that, we can draw them out whenever you know if we go low on Diet sources of those vitamins, but with with the water soluble vitamins, which includes all the bees and then vitamin C as well we just whenever we don't use in that day, it's gone the next day we have to get more. So. So when we when we're under stress, it's like we're using them up faster. It's of like you know if you have a certain amount of money and then all of a sudden, you have a big expense you to use more of your normal money with within. Then if you don't have more money coming back in to kind of take up the slack on that, you're going to run low and then you're GONNA be at a deficit for a while. So with the with the vitamins and especially in stress situations, you can run low on those and even if you're eating your. What would be considered the daily requirement for your be vitamin if you're under stress or even if you're a smoker because smoking really depletes the victim and B. Six, even like chronic alcohol consumption can impair the utilization of B. Six in the in the liver. So many many reasons how people can become deficient in this and even though you know they say it's not a common thing for people to be deficient and B. Six many people are slightly deficient. So, there's always a need for more. So when I recommend supplement for B. Six is usually for my clients who are under some kind of stress whether it is emotional or physical stress or whether it is because there's something else going on in their body like an autoimmune condition, which also can impair or US up vitamin B. Six excessively. So I definitely do recommend six supplements and and what's what have you seen when you did recommend do see a of usually see a result people tend to see results within a few weeks of taking supplements because what we're doing is we're just increasing the normal whatever they normally get out of their foods. I'm of the mind of food I up laments second. So the first thing we look at his let's get more foods in your diet that provide b. six, and then we'll add the supplement on top of that to give you extra because of the fact that you're you know you're not you're you may not be getting enough of what you need from the foods and then We just see how they respond and usually they have better functioning. You know they start to feel more calmer. They have more energy 'cause it's involved in energy. and. So that's usually what we see. Can you I know you wrote an article about this. So we'll have that while the linked to that you have at the end of that article, the this particular supplement that you've recommended before Yeah. I mean there's a there's a number of different. Companies that do supplements I tend to like to. When I recommend some a specially be a B. Vitamin supplement I tend to like to to recommend it in a complex like with the other bees as well since they all kind of work together. but there it's going to be at higher doses than what you would get in a multivitamin. Okay. So usually recommend a higher level of that. And then of course, you can take just a be six by itself There are some cautions and I definitely want to mention that is that you know most of the supplementation I, mean the the daily requirement like in the RDA's it's really low. It's like one point three milligrams a day, but that's super low for anybody who has any kind of compromise. So the optimal daily numbers are like ten milligrams a day on up to twenty five, and then you can even go higher than that. So some of my supplements actually have. Twenty five milligrams of B., six in it, and some of them co even up to one hundred. And even that's not too high but if you're getting up into the values of like two hundred milligrams or above and some people really. Yeah. Then that's too much and there is such a thing called vitamin B six toxicity. If you are taking. Two hundred milligrams are higher a day on a long-term basis you might start to develop. Symptoms of topics society from the B. Six, and that could include something called peripheral sensory neuropathy with you have a tingling or numbness in the feet and it can also affect your motor functions and things. So it could cause some nerve damage if you have too much for too long. So I would never go you know recommend anybody going above two hundred milligrams a day. That's too much right. Yeah. Well, thank you D for another informative week. Diet Science is the official PODCASTS FOR PROCESS Free America or nonprofit dedicated to eliminating childhood antidote obesity through nutrition education to both young and old. You can catch this podcast and lots of other great podcasts and articles at processed free. America Dot Org. This is d McCaffrey until next time go forth and be healthy.

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Stay With The Process

You're Welcome! With Chael Sonnen

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Stay With The Process

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. The month of may keeps rolling with a ton of incredible sports action. We've got the NBA playoffs, the NHL playoffs major league baseball and more. Get in on the action at better line dot AG. Use the promo code podcast one and you will get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus bet online dot AG, your online sportsbook, experts and the exclusive partner of podcast, one sports. He's defeated every champion from every organization. The sport of mixed martial arts has ever seen and retired from the opt to God is the biggest draw and the industry's highest paid athlete of all time. And now now jail Sunan on podcast. One dot com and for that you're welcome. What's happening guys? Happy friday. And thank you for joining another special episode of your welcome superstar. Billy Graham will not be here today. But here I am the superstars trying to work out some technical issues. He's trying to do something that kids call a download and then a log in and a sign up for Skype. So he's working on that. We'll see. We'll see how quickly he can get that done. But we're going to move ahead. Either way. Frankie Edgar is going to be taken on. Max Holloway told you guys this the other day, and I added that Frankie Egger was my favorite fighter. And then I told you, we would get back to that. Now, I've told this story before, but many of you have asked me what I was alluding to on Wednesdays program. So retail the store, but not only is Frankie really fun got what not only is he tremendously successful? So if you're looking for a bandwagon go ahead and jump on the. Train but I had had a fight, I believe it was in Houston. I think it was in Houston. Now now. Now, I forget it wasn't Houston, and Frankie a girl was the main event that night he was taking on Benson Henderson. Interim match world championship on the line. Big deal headline main event, and I had my fight combing events spot. I'm leaving the arena. And as I leave the arena, I pass this young man, who's all dressed up in tap out gear. He's got the shirt on. He's got wrist bands that I don't even know they were selling me. He looks like a fight fan young man, I would probably hit him at about eleven years old, and I spot them on my way out. Somehow we engage each other, and I say, if you wanna meet the boys, and he said, yeah, so I said, who's your dad, and he turns around, and he points to a guy and I said, I'll bring bring your son back and I lift them over the rail and boom off. We go into the back. So I'm taking him from locker room to locker room. Introducing them to the guy's picture. Autograph book with him. Some kind of a UFC book and he had a marking pen guys had something to sign real easy natural fit. And I get into one locker room and within a locker room is a locker room now that is reserved for the main event. Everybody backstage will stay together. Red Cora goes here. Blue Cora goes here, except the main event, they get their own lock around. So I'm aware of that fact but I wasn't aware that Frankie was in there. So I opened backstage is a mess. No, two of them looked the same. Right. It's all concrete and walls. And but it's you don't know finding a bathroom backstage, there could be twenty of them, but you don't know where they are. You gotta start opening doors. So within the locker and there's another I think that's gonna take us out. I know it takes me into another locker of. There's Frankie Edgar Henry Hove his immediate team. I interrupted him. I mean he is in his final moments about to walk to take on Benson Henderson fight for world championship. And I quickly say, Frankie, I'm so sorry at not know you're in here and the show man, and I start backing out and. Frankie stuff something, because they don't know what do you need? Who who do you got with you here? So I tell them this is Tai, and we're going around doing, you know meeting the guys. But we'll get to you later and Frankie stops us again. It goes no no, no. He wants he wants an autograph. I'll do it. So Ty gets his book out. He's got a Frankie picture and Frankie signs it as Frankie signing it Br Burt is yelling. We roll in, and we roll, and was a backstage term credit by Vert Watson. Meaning it's your time. It is your time to take your shirt off, and walk to the cage and fight. Another man, big moment. I shouldn't have been there. Interrupted Frankie made Burt weight live TV made him. Wait until that autograph was done now that only took a matter of seconds. Okay. Delay the show. Nobody was upset with Frankie. What all I'm saying is that gesture that, that real nece would tie interrupt? The guy that's about to walk to a cage. Come on. Come on. It'll be my favorite fighter forever. You'll never you won't get a story like that. At least I want I actually have a recap to that story. So this was back in two thousand eleven k a number of months ago as in this year, a number of months ago somewhere in two thousand nineteen I was in New York. I'm coming back to the hotel. And that's where some of the fans are at the hotel. And in fact, it was a night, it would have been the end of last year because it was the night that Daniel Cormie Derek Lewis at Madison Square Garden. I'm walking back from Addison Square Garden to the hotel, which is kitty corner in this young guy comes up to me, and he says, hey, do you remember me and I didn't recognize him in the least. And he says you took me backstage one time and we met Frankie Edgar he just says is to me on the streets. I said tie, and I knew is there. Remember his name only done that one time, I remember, I remember Franklin remember little story. Remember the whole day like it was yesterday, but I hadn't seen tie that would have been eight years. So an eleven year old is now a college student, and I got my recap, but that was the story of you asked me what I was alluding to. And I said, Frank who was my favorite story? That's the story, but to go back to Volkan Oscar because there has been some dialogue since we talk last, and the dialogue was Frankie deserve the shot. Is that the right guy the argument against Frankie was Volkan skis resume of which I believe, is twenty and one including a win over the former world champion and Joe's AOL. I get it. I got no problem with it. I won't even dispute it. But to act as though resumes are the only litmus test is false k the fight is coming up. I believe July sixth. Don't hold. I could be off a day. But international fight week between Frankie and MAC. If Volkan off ski was to be given that fight on that. Specific. Imagine how that would go Volkogonov ski right now is in a hospital in, I believe the country of Chile for a blood infection that he received somewhere between fighting Josie. Although and right now, he's also basking in the glow of the victory. He's also arguably the number one, can I mean a lot of moving parts. How do you go to the guy and go by the way, is soon as you get out of this hospital, bed start training, because you have a fight in two months? No, that's not gonna work. Both gonna ask you would have loved the opportunity may have even taken it. He's a rough guy. He may have even taken. But that would have been appropriate, what would have been appropriate is to find the guy who's right and you go poking Ocoee, you could put the beaten there. It's not just between Frankie and vulcano you could throws a beat in there and make a very good argument. You would probably lose it you could make a very good argument. You get three guys. You've established your three guys, okay? Great. You did a very good. Job. If you could get the argument down to three and many don't even includes the beat except for myself. So now you've got the argument down to to you did a great job. But the litmus test isn't just a resume. It is also a willing and able body. And that is where the date seem to really line up which gives you the one choice which is Frank Yeager the other side of this coin for Volkogonov skin. Normally I would not say, oh, it's good to sit out. It's good to sit out. And wait. Never. I hate that drives me crazy, and it's not effective historically, right. What have you done for me lately, is a very real thing in this business? You can't just step out with Volkan Oscar maybe the one time where you can the dates may line up, again between him recovering from the Josie war from him, enjoying the moment that he most certainly deserves to him recovering from this blood infection, which I'm somewhat glossing over I trust at something I can gloss over, he'll be treated well, and it'll be a distant memory, perhaps, I need to show a little bit more serious on that note, I seem to think he's going to be just fine. It would seem that it lines up her physically, for him to compete later in the year against the winner of the contest between max and Frankie, I'm only offering you guys at because there's all it's always devil's advocate, right? No matter what decision is made, and we wait on bended knee for these decisions. But as soon as they are made we the come out and tell them everything they did wrong. Well, there's a little bit more to it. So before you compare the two guys records or even what they did last. And that's a very relevant part. You're not wrong for doing that just understand. I'm also not wrong for telling you. It's eight par and there several parts, I think this one makes the most sense, but I also think that it will line of very nicely for vulcano ski ends a beat to have a little argument, see who slides in their likely that's going to go to Volkogonov ski guys. They are back our friends at bare mattress bare mattress. That's a are, are designed for my active listeners, the athletes, or just the folks working hard. On their feet, all day, you deserve a mattress that will let you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer. So you can wake up refresh. That is where bare mattress excels bear leverages insights from sleep experts, professional, athletes, and engineers to create a super comfortable, and supportive sleep surface. This is optimal for cooling and muscle recovery. Bear also uses FDA determined Sealion technology clinically proven to provide a more restful sleep. 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I woke up to a headline today. Dana white under fire for the UFC's deal with ESPN, okay. Click that right away. You click beta mean what's this all about? And the basic argument was that because the pay per view, model is changing athletes are going to be upset. And they're pushing back on Dana white, and the example. Given was Brock Lessner now that example is given enthrone around and reported re-reported in perpetuated with zero evidence somewhere along the way, there became a dialogue, right? Brought just up and retires. So instantly, it's speculation some people that said he has some kind of an issue with Assad. Don't see any truth to that. Will know very shortly. Don't say any truth to that. There's certainly no evidence fair point for speculation with his history. Right. That's fair other side of his people said, hey, he's not gonna do it because the pay per view model has been restructured. So the evidence that Dana white is. Under fire for the ESPN deal is come to fruition because Brock Leser has refused to come back. And don't forget, is the same guy that so many people said he doesn't deserve to come back into a world title fight set all of that aside, set the level of ridiculousness aside. There's also no evidence that that's true. Brock is never said such a thing. And as far as the pay per view, model goes came, make sure you understand the timeline of this, because it's very relevant when the UFC I started it was coined by an organization called. S. E. G S E G never wants from one thousand nine hundred ninety three to two thousand one when zoo for bought the UFC gave away viewpoints. That was not part of the business. When the UFC came in known as UFA they did not immediately give away pay per view points. They were struggling, it was, it was a four main industry, a growing sport. But he forming industry eventually que they did start giving away think chocolate del may. Have been the first guy who ever be given paper viewpoints, either way, it opened up the floodgates and that became a standard practice within the organization, it became standard practice K, because the business chain numbers were good boxing, which was a combat sport and did share and pay per view, points and revenue was doing it. So those comparisons were made in the USA said you know what we're gonna make you guys partner. We're going to give you a piece, you don't have to put up any money. You don't have any risk. And if this whole thing takes a bath, we'll take it all on the chin in exchange. We're going to get a bigger piece, but we're going to give don't forget this word give you a piece that only went to title-fights now there was a reason for that it wasn't just an incentive to encourage not only your current stars, but to make guys want to rise up and replace those stars and be tomorrow starts. It wasn't just an incentive, though, that was a large part. There was even a built in mechanism that many people have never identified which is. If you're the main event fighting for a world championship you or the one that is going to be given the media opportunities. So we are going to encourage you to take those opportunities of which we can't force you to do, and then we get there to the set to the photo shoots on the phone with the reporters that you do your level. Best job to spread the word let people know who you're fighting when you're fighting how to watch you go out there and you do your arm of promotion of which we will set up completely for you. And if it works, we're going to pay you on the back end. That's where that came from now you have to tie in with some of the arguments and comparisons that are being made to Brooklyn. Okay shelf, what I just said new arm to this. The UFC largely is hand in hand identical to the WWE business model hand in hand to the point that Lorenzo for Tita himself said, when we started the UFC, we studied many. Sports franchises, all the way up to the New York Yankees. But the one that we went with an emulated was that of the WWE now leaders of enterprise oftentimes will give interviews and put out what's known as miss information because they know their rivals are watching, and they're not looking to smarten someone up an educator, Lorenzo for Tita just never did that he did not do very many interviews. But if he agreed to an interview, and you estimate question he would answer questions straight. He has a history of that. He's well known for that. So when he tells you that they mimic, the WWE you could also look in line with the way those businesses were structured and go. Yeah. They sure did. And if you want to know what's next for the UFC follow, what's next for WWE, they would come out, you'll see what many times, adopt it, where this becomes relevant is. They have also largely done away with their pay per view business. They have also sold the content to networks. They also have gone to an online distribution of their own known as the WWE. Network, which would be similar to you have see fight past the reason I offer you, that is to make a comparison that the UFC lost Brock Lessner because of the difference in new business models. I will just remind you. It's the same business model that Brock is currently operating under within the WWE, which is also a vastly different model than win. Brock listeners signed with the WWE I will concede to the point that the industry is changing, and while those answers are being sought they have not been found yet, the model has changed. That's true, but it's also true when I tell you that there was many years, the entire life of SAG, and many years within Zucca, that there was no pay per view fried existed without giving paper viewpoints Bela Tor, and strikeforce, and the WEC existed and flourished without even going onto pay per view. So to make the suggestion that the model is. Not able to change and that those within the industry are not able to adapt is a tremendous insult to those people that are watching what's happening seeing a brand go onto the worldwide leader being thrilled beyond belief being able to find new opportunities in new exposure. Be it through sponsors seminars books, speaking engagements, and be thrilled at what is to come. I will concede in this whole thing something's about to change. But as you can see from the WWE, even Brock lizards own happiness, even where their stock prices at today, the change has proved to be very good. And it is not unique to one business. Oscar de LA Hoya, Eddie Hearn's Bob Arum. They're all pulling off of pay per view. What is the final answer where two things? I don't know. I really don't know that I'm not as good as predicting the future as I am studying the passing that telling you. That's a great trajectory for the future. There's another company out there. That's thriving and content providers had never been paid more anywhere. That's called net flicks which is again on the subscriber, model and never has pay per view. They don't even have free content. They don't even have linear. So before we throw our hands up and think that the industry is changing and instantly think that change is going to be for the worst. Make sure you observe what's happening right now basic rule of biology revolve or you become extinct. The sport is changing. But these sport is evolving in a forward leaning direction, may is up and running and the excitement and sports is ramping up in a huge way the NBA play-off NHL playoffs. Major league baseball and more. Simply put there is a ton of action that you should be taken advantage of over in the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. The Bruins are looking to take it all. But what about the hurricanes are they going to rain on Boston's parade? The blues are playing loud and proud in the conference. Finals, but the sharks are looking to take a bite out of their chances. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on the action. Don't forget to use the promo code podcast. One or text bet now two two three eight six six nine to receive a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. That's bet. Online dot AG or online sportsbook, experts and the exclusive partner of podcast, one sports net Diaz versus Pettus cowboy versus big, Tony Ferguson. Yeah. Those are two really interesting fights. Let's start with Pederson Nate Diaz. One thing that happened here is, we were also told a story in the story is apparently Anthony Pederson stain at one hundred seventy pounds. And when he beat wonderboy, this was the big conversation. Is this a one off is just going up? Is he headed back down that was the big conversation? I didn't know the answer. If I was to guess I'd say it's a one off. He's headed back down all the pressure's off him the way cuts off him. One. Night only. And then right back to the grind, but there was a dialogue, once you start what you beat let alone. Stop a former two-time number one contender of maybe just found the right home, but we didn't know the answer, and he was even starting some chatter, and call some guys out at one fifty five I wanna say Pettus versus gay Chee saw some headlines on that, so now that we got this fight established. And it's at one seventy I think we've got the answer for Anthony Pettus. But now you also have the answer for Nate Diaz is DS planning to stay at one seventy India's appears to be more of a, a one off guy. Gimme the right right deal right opponent. Right. Fight right date. Let's get the number. Let's get everything right? We'll go out and do it and he's got he's in a position to do because yet Anthony pedestal, it makes the level of sense, guys that dates back over four years. He's guys been Chirpin at one another. It also we, we know that Connor and D as Nate works. We don't know, for sure we're going to see part through we know history of the sports says you go to the trilogy fight, but we don't know where those two guys, but we can. Concede at least that it works and it works at anytime, naked lose his next five fights Connor could lose his next five fights that fight still works. It's one of those that, that fight works. Bring them boys together anytime any which way anyway, we're in and they did fight. Both those fights at one seventy will they meet in the middle where they work. Let's get to that. But if Nate Diaz does want to re emerge within a division, it would look like his days at one, fifty five are well behind him, which is great with me, all sorts of matches. I'd like to see firm at one, seventy. So let's see what happens. I think we are being told something. And there's a tip of the hat, and many people are missing that and then when you look at the fight itself, that's very interesting. Isn't it? Because you can look at that fight and go, okay, well, Nate's rusty. I haven't seen it in a while, but I know enough to know if you're not out there and competitive, and busy, and doing that you get rusty. That's true. So we could probably say the pedestals in a better spot very comfortably. Could we? Sure. Absolutely. Here's the other side of that, though. Head us when he wins fights. He stops guys hidden knock your ass out. He'll tap you out on the ground. If it goes the distance, most of his great victories are not known for judges decisions. Nate Diaz is a guy who doesn't get stopped. So you do have a real something interesting about to happen here. Right. I don't watch any movie. If somebody's spoils it for me and tells me the ending and the same goes with big fights. It's very hard for me to get excited. Unless I can have a level belief that I do not know the outcome of this based on any tangible, you want to bring to me. I will listen, but you better bring me one or you just gonna have a hard time getting me interested. It would seem that for D as petty. Even if we all want to say Pettus is sharper, right now Pettus is better Pettus has been busier you still are left with the fact that pedestals people in Nate Diaz does not have a history of being stuck. You still have something very special to watch. When you look at the other side of the coin, which is Tony, Ferguson versus Donald Sarony good for Donald Cerrone, because it's the next best thing he was told he was going to get the Connor fight. We're looking forward to the Connor fight now. He's got Tony. I he's got the champion of the world who never lost his title, don't ever forget that. Tony Ferguson had it twelve pound gold gold belt around his waist, and never lost. But no longer has that belt. So when I tell you that this is about as big as it can get, I think that you do have to agree with me on that, and it would be nearly impossible to hold that contest. And not put the winner of that either infrared title or in with Connor, it would be nearly be very hard to imagine how do you do that? And where do you go? Then you could get away with, with. Donald because he's going to say, yes, either what he does look into fight somebody on a Saturday night. Tony furred probably not as easy. So I think that there is some resentment where for the whale all of that played out. I don't know that anybody was at fault, but not always somebody has to be at fault for a guy to have a little bit of a ship on his shoulder. And I would think that Tony has it. I would think he hasn't said that. I'm just looking at the situation. I think a lot is going to get resolved based on the winner of that fight. Let's take a moment here to give a big, thank you to truecar for being a loyal sponsor of this podcast. From day, one guys with truecar sixty seconds is all you will need to get an offer on your vehicle in the amount of time. It takes you to flush your teeth pet your dog or do a few push ups. You can get a true cash offer. Best of all, you can do it right from your smartphone, even from home. Just go to truecar simply into your license plate, number, and watch how your car's details pop-up you'll get an accurate true cash offer from a local certified dealer. Is that easy? After that bringing your car. They'll check it out with you. They'll ask you if you. Questions. You'll give them some answers. So there's no surprises. Then simply leave with a check or trade in your vehicle for a new ride. 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If you're willing to go through hell if you're willing to stay in the fight the entire time and fight back the entire time and you can win more rounds and he. Can win. You can get your hand race. That's not a blueprint. That's not a great recipe, but already is very tough guy and he can go out and do just that Kevin leaves a very tough guy. He can follow the blueprint take him down control those positions. But he's also got very good and explosive hands, and it's at a new way class. I don't know what that means in its entirety. Does that mean that the stress of the weight cut is not going to affect Kevin lean? He's going to have more energy. I think that's reasonable does it also mean that he's going to have more power when those quick accurate punches land. I think that's I think that's very reasonable. But there are still some questions there. Now. These two are talking about and Kevin Lee came on the show, a week ago and told us that he is planning to weigh in for the hundred seventy pounds, welterweight contest at eight hundred sixty five pounds he's going to talk to RDA, and he's only going to do this RDA gives him a gentlemen's agreement to also win at one hundred sixty five pounds. Now, the reason these too soon to be enemies and foes, are willing to agree with one another and potentially do this. I don't know. I'm here. Brighton earliest Friday morning. These weigh ins are yet to come news ways or nine AM. So I don't know if they're going to do that. But I do want to fill you guys in on the story line and not just take for granted condescendingly that you're following what the hell I'm talking about because this is potentially going to be very interesting. For some of you may find this silly for others of you, you're going to observe this a bit of a standoff is bit of a sit in this bit of alliance and go. Wow. This is a great way to get things done. Both of these athletes would like one hundred sixty five pound division both of these athletes are what we call Twitter's there in be tween, eight hundred fifty five pounds. And there in between a hundred and seventy pounds but they have to choose one. It's they're going, well, not so fast. I wanted to have to do that. If there was a one sixty five Now, Dan, there every athlete could say that almost every single athlete that's assigned to a division is go. Boy, this was Soviet be better. If there was just six pound allowance given. I. Get that we're never going to solve that problem. It just appears that at one hundred sixty five pounds for whatever reason, and that dialogue, and that weight class and named the athletes, and you could throw in ten fifteen he could probably even tho- Kamar rosement in there sitting hundred seventy pound champion that would prefer that way class Conor McGregor spoke to prefer in that weight class, George saint-pierre before retired was support of that. I mean you could go on and on Khabib been aspirin. All of these guys are banning together. And they're saying you added divisions throughout hyme, you even added genders at one point, and it was unilateral and we heard about it after it was done. This is one time where you've already got the guys, you've already got him signed and were saying, we would like this, so consider it. So the point of Kevin Lee, an RDA, even though their foes, and rivals teaming up to make a hundred and sixty five pounds is designed to make a statement that here we are your hundred sixty five pounders is it the most powerful thing I've ever seen? No. No. But is it very meaningful. Is it significant in? Is it a story that could catch on? Yeah. For sure. And it happens to be a great fight. And I'm looking forward to it. Our friends at geiko wanna save you some money and even better, you could do it right from home. All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket. It just might be the most rewarding thing you do today. All right, guys. So I gotta tell you, I got a something I'm looking for tonight. It's been a hard week. I've been on the grind and training, training's going very well. I think I mean I feel as though it's going better. I put a lot of my training, by the way. There's actually wasn't my store, but I'll digress here. Just for a moment. I put a lot of my hope and my beliefs into prepare it from cheetah into the basket of Guinea, weight off, and one of the things that have happened to me over the last fourteen months as I got put into the Bella tour grand prix and heavyweight. Never in my life. Have I really thought of myself I need to lose weight. I've never really thought I've never thought I'm slowed down, or my energy's a little affected or, you know, whatever it may be because of wait, what I learned about being in the heavyweight grand prix is that's because I was never faced with that situation. I've always had a level of discipline on me since I was nine years old, and I have to make a weight class and it was never a big wake cutter. I did that for about two years in high school my freshman and sophomore year, and then I stopped doing never cut a pound in college. But, you know you work at so hard and you're at that age. And you, you can't gain weight if you want it, it was in one of these spots were later in my life as an adult moving into the heavyweight grand prix and losing that piece of discipline that was built in not having to get that extra run at night, sometimes not getting that extra. Not having to make a healthy choice at the table, sometimes led to not making a healthy choice. So all that I'm saying is, as I'm going back to two hundred and five pounds. I was having a very hard time at the beginning of this process, and I don't like to use the word camp. I do camps in that. I'm Mark a specific date starting and in date on my calendar and that becomes camp. But I go to practice every single day. No matter what I'm also always within striking distance of being ready. And I'm proud of that. And I attribute a lot of the lung Chevy to my career. I'm just coming into my stri. I'm telling you, I am just coming. I'm learning new things. I'm doing better now getting better results. Now my last eleven fights were all against world champions in three different weight class. I won eight of them hundred proud of that I'm bragging to you guys right now. But I'm also telling you I'm just coming into getting this whole thing figuring out. I just got my jitsu black belt, I fought for three world championships in the UFC two world championships in the W, E, C, purple Bill. So what I argue for you that I'm getting better. I think it's real. I think it's a real thing, but I also need to tell you, as I was having struggles prepared for this fight, and I would leave the gym not. Quite getting the workout or the round of the results that I wanted. I was very resigned to the fact shale be patient and stay with the process because as the weight comes off you're just going to do better. Your speed will just be a little better. Your timing will just be a little better here condition with just be a little better. Stay with the process, and I'm staying with it, and I'm not there and I'm not done, but I am down to two hundred and twenty four pounds. I'd like to get down to two hundred and fourteen pounds before I pull the weight up that isn't gonna go completely hand in hand with the story. I'm getting ready to tell you because here's what happened. I'm taking the night off. Everybody gets any diet. Your dull J diet every every night, we'll call it a cheat meal. Mike doce, we'll call it an earned meal. You have to earn it. You have to get all your workouts in you have to maintain your calories throughout the week. But then you get one earned meal. And when Dolchai does that, by the way, it's not just a meal where you sit down at the table, whenever that food is gone out. You're done with dole does for the earned meal is you have three hours whatever the hell happens in. Those three hours, however much you can do whatever you do in those three hours that is the earned meal, the earned time of the week. And then you go right back to it. So tie, this in with I was in Chicago last week. I could not get monotony's to delivered to my hotel, even though they have delivery, and I was only two point four miles away. They wanna do it. There's another pizza restaurant that is in fierce competition. With luminaries for deep dish. Number one pizza, all Chicago. It's called Jared donny's. Don't think I said that totally right? Gernot. He's called Johnny's. I was satisfied that I did not scratch the itch of having deep dish K. I went online. I went online, and I looked up Jared donny's they happen to for a nominal fee. Overnight pizzas. I ordered to my wife got a babysitter. We're coming back here to the studio. Because the studio has a kitchen attached, and I happen to have the key were breaking into the studio after hours date night, Jerry donny's pizza, I'm gonna let you guys know how it is. And I'm gonna let you down soon because I'm going to be giving you a recap of Kevin Lee versus RDA guys until then. I've had it with you all, but I'll be back soon. And tell that up shale, and you are welcome. Thanks for listening to your welcome. With jail, Sunan download new episodes every week at podcast one dot com. That's podcast only dot com. Now on podcast, one at this be a serial killer, you'd never think it would could happen in the community like this cold case files season for the case it takes several twists and turns kinda NS was looking for a needle in haystack based on the hit television program. Now, it starts to fit the discovery will feel the fate of a serial killer som- thinking, oh my God, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. She just screams, please for a life. 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Episode 47: Fury, Woodley, Andrade, RDA, Tonon, Daniels, Edwards, many more

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Episode 47: Fury, Woodley, Andrade, RDA, Tonon, Daniels, Edwards, many more

"The. As and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday may twentieth two thousand and nineteen wanna marry a Hawaii. Welcome back to the program. You had a lovely weekend. If you are joining us in the great white, north happy, Victoria day to. Yeah, it's a great time to be alive. It's a great time in MMA, because we're coming off a very fun sneaky, good card. I call the going in. I thought it was a fun card in Rochester highlighted by Heff. Oh, the Sanjoy defeating Kevin leaned. The main event also help out Felicia Spencer, how 'bout Michelle head out. While what did they byu we've got a lot to discuss? No, you see this weekend. They're taking a rare Memorial Day, weekend off and at a time not that long ago. They used to hold the biggest cards of the year on moral day weekend. This time they're taking it off. But there's plenty of 'em action as always this weekend, PFM back and we'll talk about PF owned a second, but first, I want to share. Something very exciting with all view last week. I told you that for the first time in the history of the show, I've been doing this show in many different places, in fact, for three different outlets for ten years in June will be ten years since I've been doing this show, and I've never done a live show in front of a studio audience, so to speak, not a studio. And it's but like on location on the road. If you will never done one of those. Okay. And I've always wanted to do it, and I brought it up many, many times in the past. Well, I'm very excited to announce twelve you that on Friday, June seventh in Chicago the night before you have see two thirty eight we are taking this show on the road. It's the hell Wani roadshow, if you will. And this is great and as of right this moment. Tickets are on sale for this is going to be meeting grades to be guest refreshments food, all that, and more. All right. So this is the low down. All right. Tickets on sale right now for the first ever hell Wani road show over. Over at event, bright dot com. That's event EV ent. Bright, be our IT dot com. Right now, event, bright dot com. These are the deeds as the kids like to say. Friday, June, seventh Lincoln hall in Chicago doors open at seven show starts at eight central time meeting greet immediately after the show is going to be food appetizers, all that. And more, you must be eighteen or over to attend. All seating is general mission. Tickets are thirty dollars, just go to event, bright dot com and search for my name area Hawaii and boom that easy link will come up purchase, and I will see you there. And I wanna blow this thing out. I want to sell it out in minutes than we do more. And we do venues all over the country. People already asked me about Anaheim Edmonton, Las Vegas. This is the first one, so we're coming to Chicago if you're going to thirty eight you're looking for something to do Friday. If you're not going to thirty eight and you're in the area. Come to me, June, seventh Lincoln hall go right now a vent, bright dot com. Search my name area Awani and there you go. I'll meet you there. And we're gonna have a great time. All right. So that's the exciting news. Literally a dream come true on everyone here at ESPN Elizabeth, Glenn Daniel. Everyone who's been working on this. Thank you. I can't wait for it. All right. This is the lineup today, and then we'll get to our first guest of the day. Around three forty five we're going to be joined by the new UFC straw champion there. She is just coming off that win over rose, number unis. I'm looking for I do believe first time in the history of the program that we have just drudge on very exciting. Police Spencer is going to join us at around three thirty I'm looking forward to talking too much riyal zone Felicia Spencer coming up that big win over Megan Anderson on Saturday. The former victim featherweight champion how about half L dough Santos. He will join us as well that skipped someone may have skipped someone. Oh, yes, yes, no. The senators there we go. There he is. He's coming off that big win over Kevin Lee. I'm looking forward talking to him huge win for him. He snaps his two fight losing streak. He gets the win over the wrestler, and now he is back the former UFC champion late edition, Tarn Woodley. That's when I got confused about he's going to join us at around three o'clock talk about why he pulled out of the fight against Robbie Lawler, that was supposed to take place, June twenty-ninth in Minnesota. And we'll get an update on his hand where he's at mentally physically. So I appreciate Tyron Woodley for stopping by green doing the show, Michelle ahead out who I told you about moments ago had an amazing outstanding debut on Saturday. What victory for him against Danny Roberts. I mean, if you missed it, I don't know where where you have been. He's flipping all over the place guys crying on the way to the cage is doing like these break dancing moves. I mean he's just unbelievable excited to have on the show. How about Raymond Daniels? Remember a couple of weeks ago, you had the seven twenty knockout and bell tower built or Birmingham, the kickboxing great now Emma may fighter for bell tour. I'm looking forward to Raymond Daniels. Also get an update on sage north cut. He was in sage's corner, in, in one championship on Friday sage getting knocked up by Cosmo Alexandre. So we'll get an update from Raymond Daniels. Gary tone was victorious on that one championship card. He's now five professional looking very good, every time he fights. He does something spectacular this time. It was a heel hook. So that'll be fun. How about Tyson fury? Wow. The gypsy, king himself. Yes. Tyson. In fury is going to be on the show. I can't wait for that will get us thoughts on Dante wilder and his upcoming fight on June fifteenth. Which you can catch on ESPN. Plus, we'll also talk to yon one of the up and comers at one thirty five and UFC returns action, a UC two thirty eight in Chicago against your Muir. Vera and Leon Edwards will stop by get his take on maybe finding Robbie Lawler. Why he's not fighting. He must with all he has a lot to get off his chest. But first, let us go to the FaceTime machine and say Hello to New York's own if I could give them a hug, I would give them a hug right now because he is suffering, New York sports fan. If you follow Chris weighed on, on Twitter, you'll know that between the Knicks and the Mets and the jets and all these teams this man is suffering, but he is here, and most importantly, he is fighting on Thursday on ESPN PF L event. Two of season two in the Coleman event home turf for him Long Island. Chris how're you? Brother. How you doing? I'm doing great. I'm happy to have you on. Because actually I wanted to I wanted to let you know that everything's going to be okay. You were very upset last week about the Knicks game the third pick. But I want you to know it's going to be okay. We got RJ Barrowman. This is good. He's going to be better than Zion Williamson. I'm going to take your word for it. But I really wanted to, to come through for us. I wanna jump Moran after seeing with. Did in the tournament. Take in Zion on our him. But Barrett just has me a little bit nervous. I feel like they're going to trade this pick area. No trade, the pick for AD. I think they are, by the way, not a bad constellation. What so if they traded for AD I can live with it. I don't want I wanna I wanna build slowly, I don't want to ship the entire team away, I will admit, I don't have a lot of faith in the brass, but I feel good things are coming. I feel like this time things are different. Yeah. If we net Durant, I think is going to change everything. But if we don't get Durant. I just I could see. Ten more years, the same I hope not. But okay, so you, are you. I know you're diehard your jets fan as well. Correct. Now giants giants. I wait a second Long Island guy, are you giants fan. It seems to me. You know, just following what my dad followed and he was a giant fan, and that's how he raised us. So diehard giant fan. Okay. So of those three teams which is the bigger mess right now in your opinion because they all kind of our messes if we're being on it. I mean, the jets might take the cake on all of them started. Our guys in the back Jake, but I have to admit they are pretty bad right now. But the giants aren't doing great as well. I mean, the guy from Duke that they drafted kind of, of those three, which is the worst situation your opinion. I think you gotta put the Knicks up front, like what forty two years since we won. Never seen it either. Have you ever seen a forty six actually nineteen Seventy-three, okay? Yep. And then, you know the Mets are just right behind on their hotels because it's all about the ownership, though, ownerships of mess in both situations. They don't wanna leave. No one's can throw them out day on it. Yup. And we're stuck with it while you're bringing some good news to New York state. You're bringing some good news to the greater New York City region because you're competing Long Island. I must say I was at the first event two weeks ago, and there weren't a lot of Long Island fighters on the card, this time this particular car Thursday. There's a lot of Long Island. So I feel like the crowd is going to be better where you at that event two weeks ago, I wasn't at the event two weeks ago because I with preparation for this fight coming up on Thursday. I have I have practiced myself. I had a lot going on. But I heard that it was really well attended. I heard that it was a great event, what for you, you fought there once before? In the previous season. But go ahead. Twice twice. Okay. Yep. Do like fighting there do you like fighting at the call Siham, or does it bring an extra amount of pressure and attention? That is kind of annoying. No. I love fighting at home. I had people around here to me like all too much pressure. Would you rather be away? But now is my comfort zone here I get to train on my own gym. I just came from practice here with my teammates. I don't have to stay in a stuffy hotel room. No fence Mike coaches with three other U2.'s. They're stuck on a double bed with them. I get to sleep in my own bed. And I just get to go about business as usual drive to the fight, you know. And it's sit in traffic like everybody else, does here on Long Island. Just that's my comfort zone. So for me being home is an advantage. Of course. How can I forget, you're fighting? It's Franky Perez, that was the first event on Long Island, headlined by Chris wideman versus coming guests and then last season, you fought on the Long Island card for PFLP AFL five. You made it to the semifinal. I remember when we had you in studio, and you were leaving. AFC and you're wondering about your future. And then you get this great opportunity with PF L. And you've got so close to that million dollar main event. How did you deal with that getting so close ballooning in the semi final? I spent a good week. Genuinely miserable from just being that close to being in the final in tasting that money, but a child to draw on that, that wrestling mindset that we have as we grow up and not feel sorry for myself put the blame on myself. His are added was always you let it be too close. You know, I felt like I won that fight if you look at this, the ticks of that fight I felt like I brought the fights at him. And there was not not to do about it. I looked at it like I'm a state champion wrestler on all American wrestler, in our let this guy from Brazil take me down twice and controlled me for a little bit. He didn't do much with it, but he did take me down. And that was the difference in the fight. So I just did some looking inward looking in the mirror trying to get better. Those your second fight on the same night. So that's what unique about about the playoff format, if you will. Did you feel like that? Elected, you of course he's dealing with the same circumstances. But in hindsight, did you feel like you were tired? Well like you said he was dealing with the same circumstances. So I know he also went through to round her, but it definitely hurt me, as far as some might slow Shen early on carried a couple of injuries with me into that, that weekend at fight. So there was a few things where I couldn't do everything that I wanted to do, but I mean I to third round. So I can't really say that it was it being the second fight that, that was the difference there. Maybe I had a little trouble getting going in the first after just having that our off. It's definitely. It's a tough situation to, to yourself in. It was my first time ever. But that's a inexperience I'm gonna be able to draw on for this season in playoffs this year. And I'll have the advantage of even further. So it's interesting because you are a huge sports fan. So you know what? It's like a team makes it all the way to the conference championship. And, and they stumble and then they have to go through training camp again, and it's a long journey, and a lot of athletes have talked about this do feel that same that same grind right now where it's like, man, I have to go through this whole thing all over again, to get back there. Are you are you dreading that are you looking forward to that? How you deal with it. Turn that into motivation because I got so close last year. Like you said with the sports teams that we watch we've seen our teams the that we love get so close. And then the next year you have high hopes, and you just assume since they were that good year before they're going to be back. But you can't just assume that I've been working, I've been working in the gym, what might team since you know, I gave myself a little time off. I came back around like February, and I've just been Boston it since and my mindset is that I'll just want Natanz again. I just see that he, and I are going to clash again, whether it'd be the semis of the finals and I just want to write that. I mean I, I got two losses on record to him. Gotta get him back a half to what do you know about Nate Andrews fifteen in one solid, guy, getting this big opportunities well against a name like yourself how much you know about him. We, we've done our due diligence on him. I know that he's got a great record. But I also know that he's a little bit older than me. He's thirty five and he comes from C S, which is, it's a long-running promotion here, but he never really took a jump to bigger promotion in tested himself. If you look at some of the guys that he's fought recently in record. It's you know fifteen sixteen guys like that in I mean I have fights against guys in UFC fight against guys in via fell. I fight even factoring combat against Franky Perez. I think our records in who we fought it just it doesn't compare. I'm looking forward to this, a loaded card, by the way, if anyone hasn't checked it out, yet because there's just so much going on. I mean names like Lance Palmer yourself. Andrea Harrison Ramsey. Nigam honeys Torres. There's just a ton Rasheed Magomed Magomedov and show Damon Jackson. Jeremy Kennedy who decides seem Sal. I mean, a lot of big names there. You see the lineup right over there. It goes down this Thursday, symposium on ESPN two main card on ESPN. Plus, you're on the main card. You're combing event shelters on the prelims. So maybe that's a sign of things to come about where things stand right now for season. Two I appreciate you doing this, Chris on short notice. And also, by the way, don't worry, it's going to be okay we're getting, we're getting. We're getting our J. Don't worry, my man, I got you in the next I trust. And I need your trust as well. All right. Yeah. Trust you, but I need you to work this 'cause I just don't trust it. I don't trust them believe believe Chris. We'll do this together. We'll get through it together guy that the Mets fan so that you. Gotta believe. It goes sideways. I don't know. I can't help it. All right. Well, first things. First your fight on on Thursday. Good luck to I'll be watching looking forward to it. Thank you area. There he is. Chris way, one of the good guys in this business looking forward to his fight, he returned to action on Thursday. All right. Let's switch gears here and talk about the welterweight division. It is loaded right now on Friday. When news came out that Tarn Woodley was out of his fight against Robbie Lawler. Everyone came out of the woodwork and said, I won't Lawler, and how about RDA reasserting himself after that win over Kevin Lee will one man who needs to be an all those talks. And then some is our next guest Liane Edwards joins us right now via the magic of face time as well. He joins us in his car, and I really appreciate him doing this. I know he was busy today with training Leon Howard. How are you? I'm good era. Good just finished training of outside. Now why appreciate it? Thank you for doing this Leon. And I know there's a lot going on. I have to ask though, last time I spoke to of course, was after the event in London. And I have to say, I'm disappointed. Why aren't why aren't you fighting Horry Mazda? How can they let this happen? How did they let this? This is not right. I mean look, I like the fight against been aspirin. But that was your fight. Hundred percent. Don't knows the fight to make an unfilled affiliates offered muster the fight and turned it down, though, is what it is a again, I if they will come so to the best year knowledge they actually went to him and offered him the fight, and he said, no from what I've it that often defy turned down south Clinton demand. Don't don't want to. Is what it is. How do you process that? I mean you were punched backstage, and whatever said was say all that. But, like, how'd you at that point, it sort of my line of thinking about the, the Conor McGregor forbid fight, like, once Connor went to Brooklyn and did what he did? You have to make the fight now. Right. I mean like you guys are actual fighters. How do you process that, that they couldn't make it happen? I don't know. I said, I'll go away in Jane. Did with the digital from the fight turned it down and not hit Harry are looking for now top five guy in go from there. Did you hear Dana white talk about the incident say more like like he blamed security for not holding him back as opposed to Mazda del for doing what he did? Did you hear any of that? I've got the highlights of what to intervene. The what? Beth for them. They don't really like I don't know if we. Yeah. Like I said, is that will come in, but we'll say basic, some bad boys will say, yeah. Selling t shirts. Now after this whole thing you see all that does it bother. You. If it really, okay. I knew happening. They have to move the money, nor the moved into co police, they so is a it's fun looking back on. It really is. Badly ever. All right. And so now I mean everyone's getting booked up, but there's this opportunity with Robbie Lawler, being available. Because time we'll be pulled out. And I saw on, on Twitter that you kinda through your name into the hat. Is that the fight that you want? Does defy all go for audio until five, I I'm full? Why not wanna step open take on the former champion rumble Lola I'm gonna win? I wanna start winning streak goofy him to redeem himself and so four not giving six weeks ago there him then atoll show. Okay. So what are the chances this actually happens? On. I had nothing from the Esa. I don't know is more rubbers court at the moment things up. He wants to fight many names. I feel I'm the runner on the best offer that he's got. I on yet to the best year knowledge is, is interested in this fight. Do they like the idea of fighting Robbie Lawler? From what I've heard I feel so a defy a thing down to rubber Nola. Look to free Feis left, so figures pecan. He wants to fight. That's what is ahead. Anyway. Did you watch the RDA Kevin Lee fight this past weekend? Yeah. I watch very closely stairway of that's fine to make. Right, number four now in the wild and. That's the fight for me for the may the fight them in. Seven. The co main event so that's gonna plan. Okay. Wait. So which one do you like better the Robbie Lawler fighter that one? RDA former. Yeah. Number four. Like I said, so probably the audio is, is hiring is Iran guy. The former champion is coming up for good win. So probably. And were you impressed with his performance? I thought Kevin actually look good in the first round, but then sort of ran out of gas. What did you think of our especially gets the wrestler, who in his last two fights fought? Colby coming, finnick Marusan, and obviously lost them. What did you think of how he rebounded? Good. Good. Skits comeback in it. What did and starting to play to man? Can Kelly got fatigue did lightly while the white, so it's hard to judge really on our good is because can relieve fatigue, but. But for more champion Nuff respectable love to test my skill versus. How would you describe the way the way you feel about your career right now? Because like I said there seems to be a lot going on in the division. It's completely stacked with line and Covington and, and aspirin, and Maswadeh and Robbie Lawler, and yourself and our DA now. But it feels like a lot of people are booked or have just fought and you're kind of on the sidelines watching this, what's going on here. How would you describe it? Of the mall. In the winter. Happening. Like I said the Muslim fought with meant that, defy to make that didn't get make so moment. Just wait. Wait, wait in the wind. But I feel I feel deserve five opponent. Now is if he would offer. How far should be next on? Oh. Feel me like a random fight would do nothing from career being being where I'm not so on opponent next. Then after that one shot. WFAN today. Have they, you know, since you're fight in March. Have they reached out to you with anyone? Not really turn off from the navy or something. They mentioned offering mentioned it does nothing for me at all. So that's it rate is on the phone. The name referring about because he is only one that's free. It up. Yeah. That knows that before how I want five and when did they want that fight? This didn't just say what, what, what, what about it? But it didn't it didn't tickle. Your fancy. Now if I go onto MB. Foamy may go there now. Four or more champion of makes more statements and not propels me more than Walthall to be charmed. So. Oh. To make even though positive you on a longer winning streak. Longer to then? RDA. Is the big name is right, number four is on and on sure. Okay fair enough. And so if you can't get the but you would take the Robbie Lawler fight if offer to correct. Offer that fight with that. Okay. But if not, you want to return and why Dhabi. I wouldn't I wouldn't holiday Dubai after an awesome. The poacher all of the people of the weather. So the lot next door to try. Okay. Holiday slash. Obligate when when did you go there? After a winter like this. My son out there in all of the culture. The do it was, it was a price just you and your son in Dubai. I'm on the friends and family lawn. Big family vacation, who's good. What was the best thing you did there? A met like a shake, and I go in his house like a like a like a. They also lions and woollen keys, and Gerard than it was the money is different different in, in, in, in his house, like in his backyard and his house ever watching watching on TV. I wind up with a. Off. What the hell's going on? And how did you meet this guy? From one of my friends living, the Mayan. They, they know noted, okay? Told more I want to go see the farm debris to the farm, and it was good. Wow. Yeah. The I know a lot of the over there. They loved you jitsu they love may when someone. The lover may in device to five cents under seven there in front beating. Beating the main event. Yeah. And how about your brother Fabian killing it that up kick their that was incredible stuff. Holy smokes. He's doing. Well. Are you proud of him? Yeah. The are low for one that join me say, your, your O fronts after Benneteau and hopefully I'm praying don't resign computer Mesa can cause the savage run. Why do you want to come to you? They. Unim- hair with a form of the champion of Carajas, Walter champion affairs organs. We'll see in the US's. I'm curious. Why, why do you want him to go to the because it seems like Bill tours treating him really? Well, yeah. Now, I'm selfish rating on thinking, too good. Me and him in your sure, that's the only reason really from the train them. The pay. Wow. They trimmed. Good office. Reasons are low for me him to be the. Yeah. I think I saw on social media. He said he he already has his next fight. Yeah. I finally getting free weeks in London. Oh, yeah. I like inference good. Very good. Very good. A lot of fights as well. Exactly. And here you are frustrated because they're not quite in you. I'm winning. We're not gonna find. No, it's crazy. If elect game air, I feel like you're, you're in a weird dilemma, like other fighters have faced this dilemma as well. You continue to win. You dominate your opponents. You don't love talking trash everyone's just like bypassing you and it's not right. Seven in a row, you need. Those big fights seventy four killers go. Now went back the back. Everyone four look combo. Now look, come look Vincent for him. Him. Look, look out four in our lane, so crazy, I feel I'm different new wave of under on, on the front runner, and I'm the number on fighter. And this is not the case. Why hope they put some respect on your name as the kids say, you know what I mean is actually a good man. Good. Thanks for doing this. And good luck getting either. The Robbie Lawler fighter, the RDA fight. I like both those ideas I hope things work out for you. Thank you. All right. There is Leon Edwards give rocky fight. Give him some respect. I mean for God's sakes, guys wants seven row, and we've seen this before in the we've seen this with other fighters where not just in. You have seen other promotions as well. You have a guy who's winning who's dominating. He's right. Look at the people he's beat. I mean cowboy everyone's talking about cowboy going Gaga over cowboy and and he'd beat them less than a year ago. The center Lupe look what he did this past weekend. Look what he has done as of late. I think that was his fifth and row beat him not that long ago give this manifold I maintain look like the Mazda fight against Ben aspirin. But I maintain that should have been his fight. I if you punch backstage. Whether it's right wrong. Whatever the case may be you still have to go fight each other. I mean like this is this is not like the NBA where you punch and like you get to spended and you have to stay apart and all this up. No. You actually can go in a cage and punch each other further right. So I don't know. It's a weird thing. Anyway. Thank you. Very much Liane Edwards. And thank you to Chris Wade, we're, we're keeping the train rolling along in fifty minutes. We're gonna be joined by the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, one Tyson fury, the gypsy king. But I this is a longtime coming. I'm very excited to go to Thailand right now and say Hello to Pyotr yon, these Siberian gangster, there, he is look at he looks like Ricky Hatton, has anyone ever told you that you look, exactly like Ricky, Hatton, joined by his translator and manager sat as well. Pietra. How are you? Knows. Yes. This is great. And thank you for doing this. I know it's it's very late over there. It's twelve thirty in the morning. So I appreciate it very much. Thank you to both of you. I heard that your friends Pulitzer are calling you the Siberian gangster. Why do they call you? The Siberian gangster. Citizen guy, who's ever but the most what a CB must be gun sleepless. Lou calls I grew up in Siberia, and I was raised there. Gangster, like consensus on the street. Oh, what do you mean by that gangster like circumstances? Can you tell us more? Bush, which Morgan. Just is too. But. Company that she this been volley choice cereals. CB fasten, which will. I was a little bit nasty. When I'll grow was growing up. I was a hooligan and maybe like as a joke. My TransCo near against her. You know, nothing's is just as a joke from what I understand when you were used to get into a lot of street fights. Correct. Even when, like when you're ten years old. Come just seconds. This mission number is. Yes. Yes. Of course. Win them. All right. You'd be the one getting the better of your opponent. Correct. Them of secular. Mementos hasn't even go sit up view wishes seeping. He knew that there were different cetaceans outcomes. I'm not gonna say one all of my three fights or dines. I was winner. Okay. And things are going very well for you. Do you see are you at all surprised by any of this, or is this, what you expected is this is this, how you expected your UFC run to go? Thus far. Harsher says attention to you see. Poets. Do what? For them parlaying in as she. I didn't expect goes this way, but we're working hard than ever since going. Right. So. We're going to keep doing what we're doing, do you feel like if you win this fight on June eight that you will be next for a title shot. You feel like this is a number one contender fight, perhaps just for you because of how good things are going for you. Instable station. Boy small Union Station. Yoichi cut. You'll the that yet on or. A small Bridget. No. Both the social sciences. Yeah. I really want to the next one in line for the Daito. Let's see how result by yeah. I have a desire, and I and ready for battle. And right now, you you're joining us from Thailand, correct. Style the she just monopoly. Yes. Right now, we're in Thailand. And what is it like few because I understand that you have a young family. You, you have a you have one, you have one child, right? Yes. What is it like being away from them? You've been very active. This is I think your fifth fight in the UFC you've had a lot of fights. You have to go through your training camps in Thailand. What's it like for you to be away for them for so long? Goldrich facing me, which took the boys sitting shares. By China goes cut initiative, which would you say? No. That I you. Amalgam by your mother. It's a big workloads. Of course, I wanna spend more time with my family, but I'm doing it for them those as in all in a way lampooning. Does your family ever come in and stay with you in Thailand? Or you always away from them. With you sit in. Vanished. Diese just bulleting misses the way it looks dude. Doodle cuts on chemo. Yes. Sometimes they join me in Chem by this time because they were less than a month still defied. So I decided to come come along. I don't know if you know this, but in Chicago, where you're fighting on June eight there's a there's a very big Russian population. Do you expect that a lot of people are going to be there to support you? Have you ever been to Chicago and been around those people? Chicago original girls, he by shot by this. Bhutto ch-, superstition, Yanyan, both Chicago as the Chicago moguls, about Joe's believe. Yeah. Another Chicago by this, as you say, there are many Russian I'm sure will be guys comments apartment. What do you think of this matchup against Jimmy Rivera? Jimmy's, a tough guy gritty wrestler. Sometimes it's hard to look good against Jimmy Rivera because of how good he is. And you just has that style that, you know, it's hard to get into sort of a firefight with him, so to speak. What do you think of this matchup? Did you like it when it was presented to you? Going to Puncak with horse stealing meeting at the on the. By sheep. Boy, you're searching teachable, yuck. Oh. She wants to do much of it. That most of while new Garcia she barely get. Buoyed by your committee, slow could get with they were gonna bring. I say, I will dictate the five dictates temple, how will go, so I will be in control. You know, yes, he's not gonna come to this. Kirkman from wrong from what I understand your brother used to box. And you wanted to go boxes Welby, he didn't wanna bring you along. So used to sneak out and try to try to go fine where he would box and watch. And then finally, you're given the opportunity youngster I'm talking about. Like when you're were ten eleven years old. Is that what happened how you I fell in love with competing? On this study to Schulkin novels using some natural. The bill. Get rescued them educated on such, but, you know, I NICU talk initials MOS most of the shuttle dishes for them is just loop. You'll set this deal. The special. The laura. When Oklahoma sit on more. Notice deco smelly that. I used to used to be competitive as child, always, I used to do every other sports before I joined boxing. But yet it was through my brother who want me Jim the bugs in its first. After I want my source competition. She admitted that I'm she's browser and for me competition is like a was there. It's like a school. You learned from it, and you grow from it as a nationally. So why did you go down the route of mixed martial arts as opposed to boxing? Initial by a man. All triple got the Bush, Jim books put in any. The modem when my especially Yemen, I listen. Emma starts to become very popular in Russia and was like coasting to do, so I decided to switch. Stemming lure some of the fighters that I caught your eye. Are we talking like the funeral a million days, anyone else, in particular, like the, the first fighters that you thought? Wow. These are fellow Russians. I could do this to these people. Inspire me. Distinct by talkative Schnell his moment, but took out Moore's film it. Even we should. Doc initials. Milenko by initial seat. Assessable. Smash hit in love. Bullying talk Senate initial analyses. Of course, like there was a leader offend Mamane Russia will always looking at him. But I did I really was looking up to anyone dislikes the sport as a whole this why decided to do. Did your brother continue? Is he a fighter as well? You something. She's a coach. He's the kids. Oh, wow. Okay. Does he coach you too? Everybody. L something Amsellem coaching Kim. I like that. The tables of turn very nice. I also understand that you graduated from these Siberian Federal University with a degree in physical culture and sport, is that accurate. And what is physical culture and sport at the green physical culture. What does that entail? Coach base to designing. He's going to strengthen shift Jay. We do this. Emma. These small jewelry on what that cuts me that also mean me, who funding these people among the light. Shoe, wasn't send this small jersey. He's a specialist in working with us and child, and he can teach again, be coach, you know, in the physical culture, like, in different kinds of sports. Oh, wow. You do that, currently or when you're going to be done fighting. You'll put that into us. Shows him. I see contributions. Okay, bonus chill, some personally that putting alleging true. A win is right now. I'm one hundred percent dedicated to my professional career and doing coach now to coach now. But when also will be you feel like life has changed for you since you've started fighting into, you have see and you're starting to get a lot more attention in America. Do you notice a difference the way, people treat you yet? These meals Pacific. See. Keep up to two MRIs. And you're. Myers, the most so injurious net. Crawfish nettie. The. Issue. Yes. Of course, my life begun, more califor- interesting after Jim UC. I can see. I can see children difference. Would you ever consider moving your family to Thailand? It seems like a great life there. So that you don't have to be away from them. Don't say this. If they lumpy his from this. No, no. The also sees him or whole style to finish his though. Especially when it's winter in Russian inserted cold. I'm thinking about moving here or originals of winter because very nice here called in Russia. Are you a football fan? You do you like football soccer football. Monja in Los come down, not by lupus gonna leave. Yeah. I like the place. Sometimes I go kind of sports different kind of sports I like to play because now it occurred to me, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney. You look exactly like Wayne Rooney as well. Wayne Rooney, and Ricky Hatton. Did you ever get that before you ever heard that? Proposal for the win. Don't go deal among us all union. Well. Way you hubba Illit of. People told me about like that. Look like when Rooney, please invites, Wayne Rooney jihad invited to my final. That'd be amazing. You know, I appreciate that. You think that I'm that connected? But in fact, no-one knows me or likes me so. Schedule. Maluluke yori guys football will say about waiting. Ruining his old already. I can play better than his oath who I can better than him through. You know, I agree. I agree on both both of those. That you did this, what is this? You're making fun of my nose. Is that what you doing? Muscle is the hook knows that it are. He's got jokes. I like it. Kabila Sean little joke. That's why they call you know mercy. Right. Because no mercy. 'cause you like the joke around people. Smutty borrow material that will muggle money shoot it. He said he used to watch couple of your show, so don't joke. Oh my gosh. That's great stuff. By the way, it's not Peter Yan. It's pure again, right there. I get right? Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for doing this and I look forward to being at your fight June eighth. You have see two thirty eight ACOG. Oh, Jimmy VERA. That's a big one. By the way, I get your prediction who'd he thinks in win? Marla Moore is or Henry Suharto, who's going to be the new champion. Would be essence. Is, I think Marlin Marlin, okay? But what do you think of? T. J dillashaw testing positive. Still too much shit. The, the most by someone Bill didn't do. Is his own business is a grown up man, and he'll do it by himself. All right. Fair enough. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you to the great Danny Rubinstein as well for sending this all up. Appreciate it very much. Thank you guys. Look at that. I love you. Yes. My friend. Yes. Pietro yon, the man. No mercy the Siberian gangster himself. I love it making fun of my nose. This is amazing. All right. Here we go. Here's the lineup for UC to thirty eight corporate. Jake's tummy, he's got it there. It is. There it is Henry Suharto, Marlin rice. Bantamweight title on the line bent down. Tina Shevchenko just got and what about that promo that they aired on Saturday. Tony Ferguson and Donald Tony. They stole my line. Did you see that people's main event? They actually used it in a promo rest assured I came up with that line like five years ago. No one else said it before me, it was all me. But by the way. They say imitation is the best form of flattery. Right. Isn't that what they say? I take it as a compliment that use my line. I really do because I think it's a great thing to call that fight the people's main event, because guess what it is the people's main event. It's an amazing fight, and that promo was amazing as well. I was just kind of I was caught off guard. I was taking it back. I expect them to use that then being the UFC promo, but it was nice no one asked permission or anything like that. No one licensed it from me. But Nevertheless, I thought it was. Nice so no hard feelings. Okay. And it was at propo- anyway. Thank you very much to Jan. That's great card. And by the way, the night before you have to thirty eight as I said earlier, we're going to have a live show for all of you in Chicago. Yes. The Hawaii roadshow. That's what I'm coining it June, seventh Lincoln hall event, bright dot com of vent, bright dot com is where you can get tickets right now, just type in aerial hell Wani, and the tickets will be yours for just thirty dollars. There's going to be gay. There. We're going to have a meeting greed afterwards. We're going to have refreshments all that stuff. More please do come. I'm low worry that only like, three people are gonna show up so please do come. It's gonna be great June seventh Friday, the night before you have C two thirty eight if you're looking for something to do. We're gonna make it happen. All right. It's gonna be great. The Hawaii roadshow come. Hang out. It's going to be fun. All right. So in a matter of seconds, we're going to be joined by the great Tyson fury. Yes, the actual Tyson fury himself, the real guy, the gypsy king. I can't wait for this one of the great characters in combat sports. I know he's on a number may fighter but this was too good to pass up. He returns to action on June fifteenth. He's competing in Las Vegas at the MGM grand garnering gets Tom Schwartz. It's going to be for his lineal heavyweight championship it's going to air on ESPN plus so that's a huge coup for us. Of course. He's coming off that draw against Yanti wilder back in December. What a fight that was. Great moment him knocking down, while they're while they're rising from the ashes. So to speak. That was incredible drama. And of course, wilder just fought against Dominic Brazil, this past Saturday in Brooklyn and knocked him out in, in just a couple minutes in the first round. Great call for more Renaldo on Showtime. I mean I'm sure by now you've seen that. So I can't wait to get Tyson's thoughts. He just posted on social media, not that long ago that he was hanging out with Darren till so that's going to be a lot of fun after Tyson fury. We're going to be joined by Gary Tonen of one championship fame. And of course, the grappling fee nom himself. He's a member of one championship who had an event this past Friday and he was successful in that event. So that was a very nice win. He'll hook win for Gary tone, and he's now five Raymond Daniels Michel ahead. Tyron Woodley have failed Assange's Felicia Spencer, just gun drudge. They're all on tap on today's program on this Victoria day Monday here. Will not in Canada and the United States, but I'm celebrating Victoria day, even though I'm not in Canada. But I am so excited to talk to Tyson fury in a matter of moments and a real life legend an icon. Like I said, one of the great characters in the sport of boxing right now, dare I say in combat sports, an inspiration, a man who we were unsure if he'd ever come back, he ballooned over three hundred pounds. It seemed as though he was not going to be able to regain his his old form. And then he came back against the Altay wilder and was so close. Shocking while I thought he won that fight. And then, of course, he returned to action on June fifteenth. Let us not waste any more time and say Hello to the gypsy, king himself. Look at that, man. Wow. What a suit that is incredible stuff. This is an absolute honor Tyson. How are you? Thank you. Thank you from the show. Yes, it is a pleasure. So, you know, we're, we're a mixed martial art show Tyson. But I think that you transcend all combat sports. You're an icon. You're, you're great star. So it's such an honor to have you on the program. I'm sure I know you've been doing some media today. So I'm sure you've been asked about this. But I would be remiss we don't start with this Deontay wilder knockout on Saturday. How impress were you very impressed? You do you on walls? Call power from him. He will knock you out now, Brazil, did he paid the price you feel like in a way that knockout and considering how quick it came is actually a good thing for you. Because you stood in there. You took all the shots. And of course, he couldn't do that, too. So it almost ups your stock in a weird way not really because styles. They make flights on different styles. Wreck different different volative. So economically go too much on the performance of dominate. Brazil compared to mind because dominates all totally different style to me. Unlike say Walthall might what full dominant Brazil may not necessarily work for someone like yourself. He took a lot of heat before the fight about some of his comments about wanting a body on his record wanting to kill what did you make all that out? Didn't buy into it, too much because a lot of flight of to create opinions and trying to sell themselves and get people talking about this. So do crazy things. So I know Deontay wall about mon- family, money doesn't want to kill anybody. So don't retain, what into it. But nevertheless, is a comeback spoilt people do help them the dine in the ring now. And again, it's not nice thing today. Because when tame ends in fighting for the life, the last thing you need someone to get severely injured or was, how close were you guys to actually rematch? Ching right away after your great fightback in December. We're very close to a rematch. We had contracts. They outcome truck through trying to great. And all of a sudden I had a massive Dale for me SPN, they may be an offer. I couldn't refuse, wow intended. So you actually had the contract for the rematch when without have been that would have been in may of believe. Wow. And so you're the one who walked away from the deal. The anti apparently signed a three fight deal before I signed has banned deal. Okay. Assigned Dale to fight dominate Brazil Lewis all tees, KOMO ski. So this is old before we even put pen to paper and how many is your PIN deal for a fee fights on the ESPN on hopefully I'll stick with asked him throughout my full career. And so for as long as you are with the SPN, and he has his deal with Showtime. Will you guys never fight? Is there no way that, you know, if the fighters are willing to fight them? Why should a network getting away? Right. Fly tissues as an excuse K, Anthony Joshua, he uses the excuse, but I believe the fight is really wanna fight each of as I proved I was on BT's fall. I came over to the United States and box and Showtime, you know, these fights can happen. Why come there Joe broadcast? It's been don't be full and often. Again. Do you while the cannot room from tasha fury forever? Do you house throw them? Do you think that if you went on June, fifteenth, that there's a chance of rekindling this flame and doing the rematch, this very much is gonna happen gonna happen? But it won't be in won't be in May June, July, or August, as I'm being told it's lightly twelve in March April of next year really March-April of no idea. Oh, that's the date something give okay? And where would it be of no idea? Okay. But you would probably fight if all goes, well, June fifteenth against Schwartz. You'll probably fight between that. Correct. I'll probably have a couple of fights and majority goes, well, you want to be active. I want to be active. I'm not playing anybody else's games. You know, I've golfing about me and my career, my family my life. I'm not gonna put my career on hold because waiting for people to, to take fights. You know, I'm Tom taking my career in my own homes and destiny. Elda mimbo funds. When the times, right we'll do the fly. Are you worried that after what happened on Saturday and Joshua fighting in just a couple of weeks at they'll try to make that fight? Now in that you'll be the odd man out. Oh, I'm not worried toll the gypsy, king lineal heavyweight champion of the world. All roads. Late two types of Yuri, who wins them to they can never be considered the best unless, unless, bait me while lineal championship of the world to be the model era. They have two types of Yuri. Nobody's money to do it in twenty nine fights. So how do you feel about Anthony Joshua's promoter? Eddie hearn. I've seen on social media. You're kind of going back and forth with him as father as well. How do you feel about him? Do you feel like he's the roadblock and all this? I'm not to show you know promote. To that job on the fight for me to get involved with argan bucking Nelson's over over over surely. And he's. You know what I suggest, I'm Joshua dulls as Getty's, not of Tom bunk on use them to gain respect every division, if you were presented. Both opportunities three match against wilder the mega fight against Joshua, both mega fights, really. But the opportunity to fight Joshua which interests you more right now. I'm not really bothered. I'm only concentrating on June fifteenth. The moment account underestimate Tom Scholz, because the end of the day, this has is welcome to the big time. Politics. He knows if he can beat me then Richardson Whiteson installed him. So I'm not gonna win the rest, the mate. Tell them Scholtz because he code potentially a banana skin for me to, to lose them. I'm game live. What top for all this time last, I checked, I think you're a minus six thousand favorite going into this fight. Does that play tricks any mind? Everyone's saying like, oh, you're just gonna walk through this guy. You're such a huge betting favorite. Everyone. I don't I don't go with what people say, I'm not shape I on the leader. So why people say I go up because everyone thought it was getting not on the day, while everyone said the book as every box in journalists in the world. So I was getting knocked out by Klitschko, but I keep defining nields. So if I could do then so can anybody else if they believe in, so I just don't go with what people say, I have to be proven. These talks out to be proven to me. We'll see Thomas has made open. I don't know how anyone could be made a six thousand to one on the on a boxing fight and heavyweight division because we know only takes one poetry's over this is everywhere books, as you know, the sport of MA in the sport of boxing, while similar in terms of what actually goes on in the ring or cage, the structure's completely different rate. We were just talking about the promoters, and the networks are sport is different. And teddy atlas recently said that, you know, he wishes that boxing was more. Like MMA where it was like these different organizations. And I think a lot of people myself actually I disagree with teddy Alice. I think boxing's model while it can be filled with politics and all these issues that we were just talking about is actually healthier for the boxers themselves to make the most amount of money possible. Do you agree with teddy? Do you think that it would be better? If boxing was more like 'em in terms of the structured, you disagree. I'm not really too. Sure opinions. Again, is somebody's opinion. If you also hundred papal same question. I'm sure everybody off a different opinion situation. But Teddy's opinion I respect because very knowledgeable in the fight game. What about your pay? You know there's a lot of different organizations in boxing. On every one of them of different sets of rules. So whichever organization, you're working with time you after a day to those roles on the end of the day in boxing, sooner or later, the big fights, do happen house, same time and time again, sometimes you have to wait a while. Nothing happens overnight. Every golden life, we have to wait full. So when he finally does up fights way, most enjoy them all Lahia are you ever made fan of what may I think it's very excited, especially when the guys stunned exchange? I'm not. So big of a fun, one roll up and down the flow like it when they stumble component ULA. Not really exciting. Are you? Are you a fan of Conor McGregor? He has not fought as as much these days, and has gone in some trouble here and there as far as outside of the cage stuff, what do you make of what has become of him right now, I think of ended the game of may at precedents, as set the game on fire. I think a may. Definitely a game changer in crossed over his fault may, whether it's become a Muffin superstar he's done. Very, very well. It should be very proud of himself. And you know, everybody has troubles in life, and it's not what troubles who have what it's how we overcome troubles and lend from I understand recently, you met up with another great Emma fighter Darren till and you both were very complimentary of each other on social media. How did that come about? Yeah. We both mom Chester recently of war crown pumped into Darren. Tell Darren assigned both with. AT. Baltin UK. Of just rates from Louisville not up on the fun of Durham tell like he's towards the game is he's been a couple of fights. Like I say anyone can lose to about two on the night on. It's not I, but I would come back from it shows character could you tell me who's on your suit, your suit jacket over there? What is that? It's hard for me to say, I have a list of lineal heavyweight champions on the past. That's incredible guys on that. Wow. And are you on there as well? I mean I see your logo there is your picture to yet as a patron of there may as well, withholding all the belts. George foreman. Mike Tyson Holyfield. I love it. Homes spanks made that free is. I have tailor made this designed for me going for swimming. Flamboyant, share so plenty of shopping suits all in time for us. I love it and your story is as inspirational as it gets. I'm wondering after the wilder fight. You said all the right things. I mean it was just amazing. Seal the weight that you lost and your mind. How you change your mind everything like that. Did you ever are things going? Well for you. Are there ever moments where you feel yourself getting down again where you have to sort of get yourself back up, you need someone to help you, how are you doing mentally, these days meant to mental illness? Never goes away. You can't fate you gotta learn to money, maintain saying, Joe allow the moment. I try and on a daily basis, even boxing. Or I'm not my medication. And it seems to work, not encourage anybody useful for mental health problems to take it working because self-indulgent in the brain gives you fail. Good too. How much you expect a way for this fight against Tom Schwartz? I'm not sure surely weights. Very unimportant to me, and heavy outside weight. You can have you want. Whatever I feel good up wherever fail. Strong and up is what I'll wait. I'm waiting about two hundred seventy pounds at the moment. Still got four weeks to go, so not truly when you training twice a day, six days a week, you lose a couple of pounds so probably sixty five on site, the reason I ask, because you I've seen a lot of your villages, you to be phenomenal shape these days. And so I was wondering if you were slimmer or we're going to, I'm not I'm not slimmer, I'm the same way as I've been for a while. Okay. Just maintain this for a long period of time now, you fill out, and you get stronger in the white, are you have you ever heard of a heavyweight Emma fighter named Francis in Ghana? Are you familiar with him us in Ghana's African journey? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I was told through the grapevine that he fancies a fight against u m versus boxing finals wondering what you thought of that, if those something you'd entertain. Entertain what may go into a mayo inchoate into box with him coming to boxing. I don't I don't say as a challenge when you've got the heavyweight champions of the world. Konczal injury in the box much doubt and I may fight can challenge in boxing, much, just like I probably couldn't challenge in an MA difference bowl completely, although it stumbled contact is total different box is not my main MA. Certainly not boxing, is totally different games as saying time, and time again when an MA goes over to box in. They lose I wanna box goes to a may. They lose so it's not it's not a game where he can be world champion boxer and a world champion and the may. I don't think it really works three different games and says for call, of course, and I have a hard time disagreeing with you on that one as well. I understand your brother, your younger brother is a boxer as well. But he's also somewhat of a hearthrob, right? He's going to be on some sort of reality show, island show or something like that. Is that accurate going on? TV show called la- violent. Koto Kenyan kit, unbelie he's gonna hit with the ladies on it. He's he is something else can only doesn't like me 'cause I don't like it. I think you're being hardened yourself, but wow. I saw photos of him. I mean he is just he's a showstopper that guy. Wow. Unbelievable. Studies professional careers to moment nineteen years old. So big future, boy, it's going to take a lot of sacrificing dedication to achieve goals. And if you don't mind me, asking you both share the same parents. Yeah, that's unbelievable as as a light-heavyweight on his right. Right. Right. I, I, maybe if you like cut his hair you kind of look, similar, but you don't totally look similar. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's right. Well, what do you what else are you doing in New York? Do you have a lot more media, you have promo shoots? He got lined up. I've been I've been doing media sense. Eight o'clock this morning. We've got four more off to Vegas. To buy into training for the fall. Okay. And the end of the day, all the media's your Narran get knocked know what you wanna do is it. That's right. And I'd be remiss if I don't ask you before I let you go, because I know we have to wrap this up if you can just join me in this. I don't know if you're you're in the mood right now. But I'm just gonna try okay Tyson. I hope you don't hate me for this. By by miss them. Joma Chevy to the Levy, but the Levy was Jack Ma title. Let's hear it. Drinking, whiskey and. This today. Has. A day that I. Me on the show. Thank you all the best fifteen for June. All thank you. There is the gypsy king himself Tyson fury. Wow. That's a dream come true, right there. That's a bucket list thing. Remember when he did that after the wilder fight? What a bloke what a good guy. And so there you have it. That was a lot of fun ESPN, plus Tom Schwartz, minus six thousand what a coup for years to get Tyson fury on their roster. I'm looking forward to that again, June fifteenth, though you have see that weekend so you can enjoy all right now, we move things along. Like I said this past Friday, one championship had another event, a lot of people buzzing over what happened to sage north cut, but I was buzzing earlier, after Gary tone, improved to five no each and every time he competes in mixed martial arts, he does something even more spectacular this time it was a heel hook and the best part about Gary tone. Is that every single one of his fights complete different because every time he fights he looks completely different. It's an amazing thing. He's a true chameleon. Let's say Hello to him right now. He joins us via the magic escape. There. He is Gary tone and Gary. How are you? I'm doing great man. How are you guys? I honestly have never met an individual like you. Gary Tonen and I like to say your full name. I don't just like say, Gary, Gary tone and just sort of like roll up the time you look different every time I see you feel like you look different right now than you did on Friday. How do you pull this off? Yeah. For sure, I. Well, I didn't get air con for like three months. And then I just got one, so I'm not surprised that I look a little different. It's amazing. And one time look Verena shaped head. It's just incredible. So keep keeping us on our toes. I like that in addition to what you're doing, but at least that recognize me that's right. This was phenomenal heel hooks emission where you going for that? In a way. I mean it's something that we train all the time, but it's not going into the fight that wasn't. I wasn't thinking, man, I'm going to get a single Paraggio. You're I'm being got around. People ask me that was the plan. And I always say I've been saying lately that was like plan C, maybe, you know, as far as what I thought would happen during the fight fifty five seconds in. And sometimes in this particular case, it's better for you that it happened early because he wasn't sweaty, right? Oh, yeah. I guess I didn't really think about that. But yeah, definitely helps a little bit with, with the traction for sure. You know, sometimes people are crease. Do you know that makes it work? Thankfully problems with that. And this organization, but on many problems of that in my grappling career so yeah, definitely a little bit easier when it's dry out there for this particular venue competing in a ring, and I still haven't been able to figure out was it because there were some kickboxing matches on the card as well. Yeah. I think I think for the kick in grand prix. They were probably trying to eat it in a ring just to keep it a little bit more standard. I can't say for sure. I, I do know that there are certain countries that they always compete in the ring Singapore. Not usually one of them Singapore. They usually do it in a cage interesting that they did some title-fights in a in the ring, though, like, for instance for Shanley and Shinya Aoki. I mean that was the title fight. I usually with the title they try to keep everything standardized, you think. Right. So that's news to me for the future, as far as how, how the title runs go and everything like that. But yeah, they switch back and forth in this organization between rings cage that you put on other martial arts, which I think it's cool. I didn't know what to make of rain really until I got in there, because I honestly leading up to it, usually I try to prepare in whatever environment, I'm gonna competing but and doesn't have a very big. Ring a small. So I didn't find it valuable to Spar in that five sparring the cage, I really get any practice in a ring until I got to have in Singapore. I only really got like a week's worth of ring practice, but I have to say the way that it's done with five ropes and the roofs are very tight. It's not as bad as I thought it would be initially going in, and I liked it in a way you get a little bit of bounce off the ropes that you wouldn't normally get in a cage and helps with certain take downs and stuff. I didn't really need it in my fight, but I could see your possibly helping out, you know, I was gonna ask if that affected your game plan or your mindset going to the fight. I'm assuming you knew prior that it was going to be in a ring, right? Yeah. Yeah. They told me well ahead of time they gave me plenty of assigned this. They as soon as I find the like in the contract says that it's a ring. So I, I knew going into it, we do a little bit of prep here and there and you know, kinda. Noted some differences and things like ring control changes a little bit. Then oppose the cage control that, that you can cut off ring a little bit easier. So we went over some things for sure. You know, to prepare for that, but I wouldn't say we were there for two to differently like in the last week, I got a chance to actually practice. Some of my technique on the roads, but really didn't change game plan you much. So those your fifth pro win all coming within like fourteen or so months, all with one championship. How many more fights left on your one deal? So I don't think I'm allowed to tell people at home. Why? I don't know. I just think that's in the contract that you're not supposed to talk about, like, I'm probably the only one that abide by this stuff. I read everything, and I just do straightforward. I may they may not care. I don't know. I plan to stay with them, regardless. But I regardless of the terms that I contract I plan to stay with each for a long time. I really liked the organism. I really liked the way my career's than going putting new challenges in front of the every single and I, I really have no reason to worry about the terms contract, then, you know, maybe making more money in the future. I was gonna ask if you were happy, and if they were treating you well, it sounds like they are recently they came out with this thing. And I don't know if you've pay too much attention to it. This this agent certification thing where you're, you're representation now has to have ten years of experience and live in Asia, and all this stuff. How do you feel about this? And does this affect you in any way? It was them some runnings that they may or may not have had with, with some guys trying to do some shady deals with their athletes, you know. So I kind of understand where they're going with this fighting the weird thing man. It's, it's tough 'cause not unionize in any way. So there's really no way like fully protect the athletes. And I think this is their, this is their, their best shot at that. I see what they're trying to do. I also see why some people have some criticisms my hand over the tennis and the whole time or I. Got. I see what they're trying to do, but I do see criticism, you know, especially the things about people having to live in Asia and stuff like that. I think people reading super strict policy. I, I think I understand. I don't I think they're going to be a little bit more loose with it than people think. I don't think they're gonna buy every single piece in it. As it reads, it makes it seem like they were gonna Dacians space. You're gonna pick their management or could do that. You know, based off of the way that it's red. I don't really think they're looking out looking to do that. I think they're looking to try to weed out use of these standards to weed out some of these shady characters that are basically just like healing money from guys. You know. So I it didn't really doesn't really affect me much. You know, I they haven't said anything to me about my, my turn management or anything like that. So I'm not too worried after the. Posted on on Twitter that not only are you going to be known as the greatest featherweight of all time you're going to be known as the greatest power for pound fighter of all time. And I know you are very confident guy. I never heard you say and I apologize. If you've said this in interviews, I've never read it, and seen you actually put it out there like that. Why did you feel like now is the time to do that? I told everybody since the beginning at I was just getting started in mixed martial arts. And as I had more and more variance, I would tell you guys more and more about how I felt and you know, my first fight, I don't necessarily didn't necessarily say things like that. You know in my fifth I do. I think I'm the greatest power of all time on the greatest of all featherweight of all time. No, those are my goals, you know, that, that reads, but I didn't even say those are my goals until five why everybody talks. You know, people come into my gym every day, telling me, they're going to be the next, you know, UFC champion. And they taught me about all these things that they wanna do goals. They wanna accomplish jitsu and, and don't get me wrong. I wanna know what my students are for like, you know, let's take it one step at a time. You know, though I never had about five five I authored to let people know what my plans are, you know, for the division what my plans for the future and mixed martial arts and I figured that would be a good way to kind put. It out there and just set it as for myself, so five no five finishes, either via TKO, or submission all very impressive. Like it's fourteen months. Is it fair to say or not that this is going better than you, originally thought or did you really expect it to go this way, this, that you'd be dominant does far? Fair to say that this is going better than I would've originally thought it I didn't know what the thing. I mean mixed. Martial arts brand new to me. Yeah. I had no idea, you know where I was going to be able to take it. And you see all kinds of crazy things happening mixed martial arts. Then you know sage is a great fighter. You were just talking about people saying things wondering what's going on with sage and with, is most recent defeat and everything and man, one punch. You know Brooke his face, like eight places. He's in a hospital for three weeks now, you know, stuff like that happens and could happen to me in the future. I'm not I'm not discounting it, you know, all my preparation everything I got that, hopefully prevent after matting, but it's a crazy sport dude. So, yeah. Anything anything, short of, you know, me breaking my face and being in a hospital as a is a great experience, as far as I'm concerned, you know, but for me to have these many dominant performances and most recent win being under a minute by submission. I couldn't be more happy. Join the process more than you expect it as well. Man. It gets better with every day for sure. Because I'm getting if less I'm learning to. I'm learning the sport. I'm learning to defend myself more, I'm learning how to rest, I'm learning how to dissecting Zappa lot, a lot better with the strike into grappling transitions. So it's not I don't have to take much beating to get into down. I don't I if I'm tired. I, I know how to basically Clint someone and faithfully clinch and like all these things that preview free when these kind of things would happen if I would get tired or if I didn't really know what I was doing. You know, every every time the consequence is getting punched. It's not what do you make mistakes? And you just Pat so in the train doesn't get any easier, like I'm still Justice exhausted. Every day like training, schedule super super strict. And like I have to back to back basically, in the most recent stuff, I can't so that's super stressful on my body, but still the I just say overall training, I think, gets easier just 'cause I know how to protect myself, and if I don't wanna get hit I, I choose not to mention. Do you wanna keep this pace up? Or do you wanna take a little bit of a break now? I like the idea TV momentum going. It's one thing when there's something six months away. And then, you know, I I'm definitely, there's a certain amount of motivation, dedication, I'm always gonna have regardless of whether or not there's an opponent in front of me. There's something about something being just around the corner. Eight weeks away, twelve weeks away. But just gives you little extra push gives you a little bit more momentum and motivation to maybe do a little bit more tame study, or take your diet a little bit more seriously exercises team little bit more seriously. So I feel as though you mean those two back to back, maybe rapidly improved more. So in those like, you know, four to five months, then in previous month in my career where there wasn't something right around the corner. So I like the idea. You know, they want me to get right back in there soon as possible. We don't have anything signed, yet, they don't have an opponent named yet or anything like that. But they told me like, you know, sometime within the next week, they would be happy that having fight again. To events in America. I've never been to a card in Singapore. And a lot of these places that you're fighting in, in Asia do notice a difference in the crowd in the way that they appreciate what you're doing. Absolutely. I think that the American crowded always just a little bit more rough and tumble. When it comes to, you know, screaming things from the stand, I would say that basically, like there, there are some Asian audiences that are a little bit more by particularly in Japan. But there's a there's a good mix. But the one thing I will say, is that in general, I see a lot less of the negativity her Fe that you'd see in the US not as many people booing many people, you know, saying many negative things as you hear perhaps in the US. And I, I know that I thought fans perspective, it's not always meant as like a personal thing. But you still notice it, you know, people people with a lot of booing, and like, even just during even during life, not because they, they don't appreciate something about somebody's character just 'cause they don't like the way that if you don't you don't really see that much. With these fights, even if there, there was some grappling going on. And you know, in the US people think that's boring. They'll start doing and telling people to stand out like I don't I don't think you see as much from Asia on. That would be the biggest difference. I would note from one understand your you're in England right now getting NICKY. Ryan ready for his Polaris match against riot favors that accurate. Accurate name. We just flew in like thirteen hour flight over here, then, like, like two and a half hours by car to get over to pool. And that's where I'm at right now I'm feeling pretty fat is I've been eating animal fight. So I just went for like a thirty minute run before this, this interview, but everything's going pretty well and training sessions in every day with Nikki and just them ready for that match man. He's feeling that a real killer. I was watching trae with Gordon the other day and like, Gordon almost had a heart attack. So. That's always a good sick and for those who are unfamiliar with NICKY, Ryan. He is seventeen correct? He he looks like a seventeen year old but he is a fee nom. A prodigy when it comes to his brother, Gordon Ryan also. And I saw a picture of Gordon with Chatree Ciccio tongue is is he going to join you over there in one championship. I think I think Gordon definitely sees that as a possibility. I think that that him coming out to Singapore, which is difficult to get Gordon to travel internationally. He doesn't usually like that. Like he's gonna have to be if he plans fighting with one obviously, but I think the fact that he came out there and have that top shot. Tree is means that it's one step closer to happening. You know, he may even take grappling matches out there. You know, just like I did one grappling match for started my enemy career with one. So I think that's something to look forward to nothing set in stone yet. But I definitely think they're laying the foundation out there just by having that meeting each other. No, I really, I really think just having a personal conversation with Chatree before I signed with one was one of the things that made me even more confident in the organization, you have really, really unique, but a really genuine on. So. Hopefully, Gordon feels the same way you know I'm obviously pushing that direction. Visit my own experiences. We'll see we ended up deciding you know, he's got a young kid. He's got a long career ahead of him in both grappling or mixed martial arts. Whatever you decide to go with. You also just got injured recently. So he's coming back from that I think, realistically, we're going to see Gordon fighting enemy. If I won't be sometime next year regardless. But yeah, man. It's, it's, it's pretty cool. If he was over in one. That'd be awesome for both of us be able to have the lights out there travel back and forth Asia together and stuff, every fascinated by NICKY. Just given his age and like the way he looks in the way he competes is just incredible. And he's going up against the forty rolls in your riot favor. What, what, what make for those that don't know and aren't watching a clip of him? Right. The second in your opinion. Your opinion is the best ask, what makes him, so special, have you ever seen a kid, this young be this good at you too. Men. It's, it's crazy. It's a combination of things. It's a combination of, of Nikki personality himself. And it's a it's also with the addition of I think John, John dinners ability to teach people in a very quick fashion. I think you, you started out with with some good working with eerie Nikki. Because men when I met that kid he was thirteen years old. He was very overweight. But other than other than that, like when you spoke to him just mentally, I could tell that he was so mature like, I don't know how about whether the time, whatever, but I was in my twenty and I felt in certain ways that like mentally, like the kid cable, already more mature the knee which is so weird talk thirteen year old and be like, like, I feel like this can have together more than I do. So, you know, in that sense, like more so than any kids? At age, you had a kid that that could be molded into what is today. And then when he started training with me, I and then we've got him finally up to the handles with John John just the way that teacher with the systems and the scientific approach that he takes things people just get better very, very fast. You know, you take a look at Gordon on being eighty she champion my under six years. I think even my myself a complete now I been training for a long time before that. But you can see huge change in my game in a very short period time about five years in terms of my submission percentages, and everything going up. So you just have the ability to people are very quick, period. And then Nikki, you know, getting winning spot in ABC. You know, most recently most recent eighty trials in a very short period of time. I don't. Nikki Sabally five years. Maybe training total. So, again, same thing, but yeah, I can't just attribute his success to know. Just one I'm not gonna say it was just John, you know, because it definitely takes a special type of individuals to come into the gym every day in work Petar, if he have, you know, he actually dropped out of school, which not a lot of people know that wasn't my intention, but that's what he wanted to do. You know, so I'm not that I can't I can't make those decisions for him. But, you know, you have to say, like, you know, for somebody who, who did that it's not like just was chilling on the couch all day like the come to training with us all day every day. Sometimes even come back to Brunswick and train at my school at night. So he spending time wisely working in perfecting his craft and I think it really it really shows that Asian that, that he has. And I'm really proud of him. And I can't wait to see you. He's already done more than I had at the point in time where where he is. And I'm looking to do even more rapidly than I ever did. Also, his brother you seek, you'll ever go to me as well. You know, Mickey right now is into ecstatic about the idea that may you know, I think he's kinda like needs. You know what I see things like that happen? Like what happened with stage? And, you know, John will send me a video clip of people getting at chick Kayode and it just looks like they die on the canvas like. It makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing this martial art. But I think when he stuff like that a not too interested in it. And you know, nowadays grappling, is more of a realistic profession. Then it was back in the day back, even when I started there was kind of like a big, boom, where professional, wrapping became a thing that people could make money doing it before that it was only teaching that you could make money. So I think he sees that now think he sees that he has a career in, in an area where he doesn't have to get in the face. And that's a feeling to him. And I can't really blame him the honest, you know, like I said, I have the same sauce myself. Sometimes some of the things that I see and everything, and that's why I trained so hard every day to make sure that the try to decrease that probability because at the end of the day, it's always a possibility. You know, like we saw just one punch was like, say anything crazy wrong or anything like that and not the duck. Avia n-. So I whatever he wants to do with his career. I'm happy with. I think that if you just stick with grappling, he's gonna be one of the greatest rapper on earth, that I'm looking forward to seeing the innovations. He makes that area. Congratulations. My man on a great start to your career. It's been amazing to watch you in a little over a year. Do what you've been doing every time. It's, it's really highlight reel stuff. And this Friday was no exception. So I know you had to move some things around to do this to come live on the show today. Really appreciate it. Gary again. Congrats good luck to you in the team this weekend against your favorite. I can't wait for that. That's going to be a lot of fun. And I appreciate you coming on. And I look forward to seeing you again. I wish you continued success in your career. Thank you so much. Thanks for supporting me and the team. And I was a pleasure to be on, you know, happy to move things around anytime you want me on here buddy to talk to you again. All the best is Gary Tonen one championship star five no. If you have not been watching his fights, you are missing out and do your so favor. No big. You have see this weekend, but they certainly have a great match between NICKY Ryan and you're ri- favor on your c five pass this week. And I can't wait for that employers. That is grappling. So that'd be a lot of fun. Seventeen against forty this weekend in that match. So while seventeen year old it gets a forty year old in your favor. Let's do the ad right after this interview here because I wanna keep our next guest waiting if that's okay with you. Corporate Jake is out or are you going to are you going? Are you going to report me to HR? There you go. Corporate Jake said, we're okay, by the way. How about my bobble, head right here, courtesy of my friend? Brennan, never that Chillan. I Alba ahead. You see that, that, Aaron the bad guys amazing? Also mazing Raymond Daniels. I attended Raymond Daniels eh may debut in two thousand and eight for strikeforce and I was so excited about this. I was telling everyone about, Raymond Daniels. Next big Emma superstar, and it took him eleven years to have his second pro Emma may fight. But holy smokes that he make up for lost time, just a couple of weeks ago with one of the greatest knockouts that I've ever seen. Everyone is still buzzing in may end up being the knockout of the year. Let's say Hello to Raymond Daniels right now on the program. Raymond, how are you? I'm doing man. It's personal hundred top few. Brad. Here. Manet's is great, great to be on your show and almost remember that. I kinda internet that we had all those years ago like almost I goes yesterday on that hold him in may experience that you're speaking, that do you remember that we were in. I think a Dave and Buster's in two thousand and eight you're about to make your debut against Jeremiah Metcalf in strikeforce. Do you remember any of this? I won't be offended. If you say no our none of that actually actually can actually do remember. Not a whole lot of people actually knew was that I was just like this kickboxer guy. And you're always just so well versed with that. You know, when it comes to just combat sports in general, and you, actually knew our was on locate. I remember those heavily, I remembered, I did like the interview with you, you know, bag names, I definitely even who you were rather. Okay. So that didn't go your way. Like I said eleven years later, it went your way in that fight a couple of weeks ago. But why did you take such a long break in between fights? Why did you take eleven years? It took some time to stand for growth for me. I mean when I was I when I was a little bit young. I didn't really enjoy as much as that. Enjoy the grappling. I enjoy the wrestling as much, you know, I really my forte is karate. So I really enjoyed doing, like, stand up portion of everything. You know what I mean? That's where I could really display, my true art form. So like for me, it was a whole lot more enjoyable to be able to stand the kind of life, you know, paint my masterpiece like that. So that's why I took me some time to do in. I've always had that in the back of my head because I went over today may Rome, when would definitely wasn't ready like eleven years ago. So just as, as a martial arts in that Dingle, the way I wanted to. So I always head that I wanted to, to come back to the mid may world. She make sure kinda rewrote history, her rear that pass mistake. You know what I mean? Everybody kind of has like little mistake, did you ever made any making life, and that was like that for me? It was like to be able to go back in. And to be able to fix that. All right. So you're going to stick around now for a bit. I definitely man. I I'm really enjoying the whole grand delight in Maine the with the jitsu in the wrestling as when I was young. I didn't enjoy it so much this time now this time around, actually really enjoyed it against amazing people around me that are, that are really helping helping me off a humble. Humble lending her. That way, I cannot cannot catch speeding likelier so that knockout against Wiltshire borrows just a couple of weeks ago. Was that a seven twenty officially will was that? Actually achieve even came out with the with the pointed actually supposed to be in that she supposed to kick really close actually landed kick the ass in ended up being a punch just for the simple fact that I he used it in created more space and it would have been too far to throw the kick. So I closed the distance with my hands off. Wow. Okay. So this is something that you've actually worked on this particular sequence of events. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's something that I thrown in practice so fun. Fiancee colby. We were actually in, in train the week of the fight, maybe like two days before the fighting, you know, we're just doing some basic pie working style. And, and so she tells him to tell me this site. So during training camps and Ivy on the deal that I'm doing the seven twenty chicken stuff. So that's what I was actually planning doing. But I'm doing my training, she's on call. She was I wanted killing, why don't you stop playing around because nobody's in. You're not gonna do that of movie, you're actually out there fighting, and then not even twenty four forty eight hours later, and she go out and do the moonlighting shoes. Gonna tell me to playing around with inches super surprised when he you know, when they did that because obviously something most of whatever go out there, the magic doing so. Yeah. So I just like to go out there and trying to do something a little bit more spectacular little some low fancier than the. Mostly blithering, only seen the movie. So that actually I think that explains it more now because when you pull off the seven twenty there's a there's a pause there. So you realize like, oh, a punch would actually be better. That's why didn't all kind of flow in one sequence. Yeah. The reason I kinda dating floor like just one the reason for that is originally. I wanted to kick butt Abba, started spe I could fill him going out of range. And if I would actually throw in shape, I would've midst and been balance which he hit me like hit him. I was saying I want that to happen. So I didn't wanna put myself in a position where I was at a disadvantage, and you know so that's why I land in follow through with pints and. The whole torque in pop into that thing you know. Have you ever done a with a punch before? It was that the first time. I'm thinking single spins to a punch before heading from single spin by our wouldn't say a double spin until punch, but I have the double spending can recognize if I am or not gonna hit my target. So a lotta times off stop. But because I was so close in position felt I could follow up. Is there is there any way that you can actually put into words, what that feels like to, to nail the spin and the Neil the punch like that? And he goes down you walk away like that just seemed like the cleanest, knockout ever, and you could see your demeanor like you feel good in that moment. But like what is the feeling when you connect and the guy just crumbles to the ground? Is there any way you can describe that? Oh man. It's, it's, it's hard to explain everybody. I mean I mean, the filling motion of it, always your side. Just unbelievable wanted to know that actually like Landon when I threw the punch Mexico man hush hand, and, you know, I'm like, actually, I didn't really silly, anything almost, you know. Hi nice through butter, you know, and it just life through and turn because the union don't upon. No without come a lot of times going to be Lao people like all this light year. That's lucky for me. I look at like retirement person does a punch in the five eight in through an accident into it with a purpose to land, some of them have in the land in happened to, you know, put the person out. So when I landed I turn immediately because I thought he was if you look after the pint, turn back toward them immediately to see if he's responding. But I just see by by crumble. And and, and I'm like, wow. Okay. And then I just threw me I walk because anything that I do for me. Sometimes it's the apprising people. But for me the things that are, that are parts that vision in my mind over and over. So it's an outcome then I'm already kind of seeing. So I'm not a guy who's gonna learn jump on the saints are just you know, kind of embracing a moment in honest. Really didn't hit me that had happened. A lot was on the plane and actually did a semi twenty pine shown on national television. And I was like, wait a minute. She did that and the column camera. So, so a pretty exciting time in people are like, oh, my gosh, or something since your car, Philippine experienced that before when most Ike it's been psyche when I was with glory. Everybody called the neck out interesting. It was it was just as just as enjoyable, and, and just, you know, try and take it in stride down, hyper whenever the cases, you know, it's something that you re taking continue to push for with it, but great experience. And yeah I'm still still enjoying enjoying the process right now. I remember that case employ this one. It feels like social media has grown Allott. And there's, you know, Instagram and the videos. And when that happened within minutes, it was on every major social media county as peon all the stuff I will point you realize you say that you're on the plane, but. Like I saw like Dwayne Wade commenting on it, and like all these celebrities coming. I don't know if you noticed that as well. This is this is crazy stuff the recognition that you're getting for an event. Let's be honest. I was happening in, in England that wasn't broadcast live here in the United States. And now all of a sudden everyone here is talking about you. Did you get the sense, even even in the in the hours afterwards at this head exploded the way in which it did? We're you online. Did you were you getting feedback like that? I was over in the UK and for me that was that was when the big things like centers. And I mean the first one was in. Intimate, whichever much larger platform and much larger audience, and, and for me. I love having opportunity to fight on that. Particularly why there were some US vice they were going on that we get a canal oversight in that weekend. And then I was Delatour UK card that was supposed to be in, you know, in the UK, it wasn't even really, you know, supposed to kind of make way soon speak over here in the states, and the entire Carver's, for most of the mazing. So for me, too, I love to elect to form a my bathroom had my peak performance when I'm on stage are on a platform that is gonna have other great fights and events, just so I can kind of showcase what it is that I do and the difference between what, you know, one person's, you know, highlight reel, knockout, supplied compared to tomorrow, and so yeah, it, it hit me. Okay. Getting. Peak heating say, oh my gosh. You ESPN any, you got Dwayne town in, you know, John Jones this peer airlines, you just may sportscenter your before. And like my phone is starting to blow them. I own my gosh. I work going on like for me. I was like I was just doing what I do. Karate students are hitting me on your TV are over the internet, becoming up, anything, you're on Twitter, your mom, like, oh my gosh. It was a great experience to be honest for me. You know. On another day in office. Because for me, those type move that I enjoy, I really just enjoy doing those type of moves because I love the display my staff. I know my style is totally different totally unique. I'm there are finding that do have a similar style base that come from a similar background from the store karate background Steven Thomson by page on some of those guys. But no, I I'm a little bit of a different obesity comes to step. So I'm looking forward to seeing that hockey and go in into remind version of it to the world. You know, you feel like life has changed. You feel like people view a different way you feel like you're getting noticed more now. Definitely. I mean there's a lot more in the Rheinische times. Like the marshawn kicked by inside of it would be my first, you know, for like, since this happened in may world is there's been a whole different from recognition or notoriety has come this. So, you know, there is definitely more eyes on it and stuff. So, so yes, as been been a really big difference in infamy. I feel like these type of things I'm actually been doing, you know, pretty much my entire career. So incidence awesome. The founder Phil little bit, you know, Philo better that, you know. So, you know, sports named blast in that regard to be able to actually we've some in the wards on hard work, and I've been doing over the years. I bear misfire. Don't ask you about sage you mentioned that you are engaged his sister Colby. He fought in one championship this Friday and suffered a gruesome, knockout loss to Cosmo Alexandre, and I saw on social media, that he posted that he had a nine hour surgery suffered eight facial fractures, and you're with him in the hospital. No, you're back home now. But you were with him in the hospital could you tell us how he's doing? How are things going? Yeah, yeah. We actually aftershocks cleaning asleep for mile from Singapore. Something like that. I or something scary thing guy that he's, you know, can't be the surgery and stuff are they safe it was. You know, definitely a scary time for the family. And, you know where in, in a sports very, very dangerous in stuff in regards. But he's doing okay. He had surgery simply won't disclose too much of whatever the case is supposed to be four hour surgery. And then being a nine hour surgery. So, you know there was. Not anytime complications or anything like that. Just being a little more. You know, for the Dr staff have to do out there that the doctors and everybody staff around one championship just knowing him the name, but they, they are doing amazing job of, of being helpful and, and helping out in sage is probably the most optimistic in strongest person can ever imagine. You know, you know, most people when they go through any type of traumatic experience like that, you know, this, there's some some, some type of, you know, downside or whatever the case is ages. His politicians in India's, like unmatched in. Unbelievable. You know what I mean? Install already looking at the bright side, allies in even even before the surgery Aki happens, he, he, he end ladies taken enshrines, unfortunately, he's, he's young fighter. You know, when against a veteran made a little bit of stage in, in, in, that's the party pain is, you know, sometimes you end up having to pay the price in fortunately, he had to go through that. But, but he's doing okay. He's in great spirits. So we just continue them. You know in our love and our prayer stores and stuff like that. And we wish we actually stay now with Singapore. But he's already made it through the surgery as doing a whole lot better. So he's congra- right now. That is great to hear and, and certainly share those those good wishes. I agree with you. I mean you have way better than I do. I think he might be most positive nicest human being that I've ever come across in my life. So I'm not surprised to hear him handling this like that. You probably knew Cosmo Alexandre from the kickboxing. World and him having to fight at a way class up, one eighty five you feel like like were you worried about this fight? I know some people are saying in height like it wasn't the right. Fight to debut with you feel like it was a mistake in hindsight to take this fight in the in the first one championship fight. Every goes on, and they prepare themselves to the bathroom, you know, to the best of their ability, you know, I'm not necessarily wanting treaties are doesn't choose as far as sages matchups, stuff like that. I think sages perfectly capable of, of doing so much. You know, it's always came for people to kinda like Monday night, quarterback, something when they say in person should have done this or shouldn't than when I was even a police officer for many years, I always felt like that was when people always do they, they can win back on something that somebody dead in can always play seniors trying on things. But I don't think you know, everything is supposed to happen the way it supposed to happen. Unfortunately, this is, you know, something that he had to go through in life to make him come back to show her. So when we pointing things or sales mistake from anybody anything like that, it's just I don't fortunate than happened. And then, you know he's standard is doing. It and I think he'll be stronger than ever. I think I do know that obviously dangerous opponent, even if I was fighting fighting house more he'd be a strong tough opponent for me to have their to keep boxing match or match. So, I don't necessarily like to say it was yesterday mistake or any like that from anybody. It's just, you know, an unfortunate that actually happened with what we do. You know how long you sustain Singapore four. I know I think he has to be there for in-coming about about a week or two. Okay. And then he'll be able to you'll be able to come home and, and we're looking for the kind of getting back over here on this side of the world, you know, say. Say placement everything Albright will sages in the kitchen. Rumors much more energy him. So we arguments looking back home, sooner than later, and he just has to make sure everything is quote of the doctors were mazing over there. So, yes, just make sure he's okay to fly home. 'cause, you know with all to their pressure when you're flying and stuff like that. So they wanna make sure that he's one hundred percent and ready to go and. When's your next fight, you know, yet? Our now on the Santa have anything on the bugs as she would have would have liked to go and get back in their game. But I get married coming up here on the twenty four so. Make sure I get on lined up in a row for that. In four days. No, no, no, no. I'll be being now August for. August, so August twenty I'm actually getting made. So the mission have any bruises on my face anything like that. So, you know, training and just anything. I mean, sure and, and honestly, they learned her from tunes well, so I'm still trying to there's a lot of our catch up on them doing that. The quick steady course for meeting, but on chaining fleet some awesome people with Mark with my restaurant, an amazing amazing teacher. Gone down. I'm not sure if you heard a kid kids, mazing jujitsu, and he's working when we hold on as well. And there's clouds guy. So, so, yeah. I'm looking to get back in again on before the year ends for sure. Maybe around November county in the now go from there. I well, good luck topping that knockout from a couple of weeks ago that was incredible that is that is stuff. That is going to be replayed, for decades to come. Absolutely amazing. And I'm very happy for you, Raymond. It took eleven years, but you're you're back and what a way to return and not to say that you have doing great things in the world kickboxing, but I'm just talking about mixed. Martial arts was really cool to see you pull that off a couple of weeks ago and bring Birmingham, congratulations, my best to the family. Congratulations also muzzle to on the, the wedding coming up in August. And hopefully as you said sage, we'll be back home soon. Feeling feeling. Good. And I wish the best to him as well. Thanks for doing this. All right. Thanks. All right. There is Raymond Daniels. The goat himself great to have on the show. And if you have not seen that knockout, if you're one of the few people on earth who have not seen that, knockout diesel favoring, check it out. 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And then I do believe, after that we're going to be joined by Michelle Hedda who had that phenomenal debut this past weekend in Rochester, also be joined by how does Anjos, of course, won the big fight in the main event against Kevin Lee. And just drudge still the com- the straw champion Felicia Spencer as well. But this past Friday we got the word that time. Woodley will not be returning to action on June twenty-ninth against Robbie Lawler. Fortunately suffering from a hand injury. And so wanted to get lace on him earlier. We heard from Liane Edwards, who said that he would like to fight Robbie Lawler, but last, I heard is that rob yeller as Leon alluded to? Is kind of being strategic here and really wanted the Ben aspirin, fine, if not, he wanted the Woodley fight, and right now he's not getting that so he might actually sit and wait for now though, let's say Hello to Tyron Woodley. Who's kind enough to be joining us there he is. Tyron woodley. How are you? I'm doing well thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. So tell us what happened. A lot of people don't recognize had CMC joint rebel against their fill in the first round to get him with Asha my thumb the way he locked he stepped in. I hit the hard part of the skull and point, the hit like the joining my thumb right here, basically pop the phone up didn't break it, but at trawler ligament, taxes. So Miami was basically as they of dislocation Missa chain bay. Actually considered by Coby Covington yard. Very few weeks afterwards. And I had to be roll myself. I was able to grab wasn't stat. So I began to rehab, the hand. Ninna Camara, who will fight came up and one thing about me, especially in the sport is in so many I can't remember the last by going to the five with an injury on the dining mine. I commit to it and lose draw, you know, you never hear about it on a torn AMT train in growing arriving the first time my shoulder, it wasn't quite recover from the day, my fight until, but these are things that I've naturally at night. I hit and if I win if I win or lose when I commit to, I could appoint this cat where I starting our training. And like the by just put in the backward overly rely on Joe. It's been looking to Feis crazy kicking Kevin gas for the first strike of the fight, then that Jim Carrey me throughout the way. Course there until shadow and truck liberals that I just went to go the elbow instead of function. And I knew that it'd be better the win the fight in a lose the fight at injuries that's going to be almost double jeopardy. So you can only do that over here in my career finds his two five this is the first time I've been committed to fight, and I had to be real of us. So I was punching throw combination and Lucas pad. Then I was hit. There was spilling kinda wearing you know, they do the countdown something like that. So I'm trying to give the fans which I wanna see. But I can't really thought about hair, like third night into training train essentially may Spar and I go to throw over here, right my area. Now defending take down and have to post in my head thought to shift enough inflame. And they got to the point where I was like, am I really going to be able to do this fight James, my really going to be able to avoid properly rehabbing my have what to get maybe further damaging something about trying to zip up trying to snap trying to pick my daughter up? That's gotta be real that trying to do my best it's up about, and also to give US's brass enough notice were if the situation that they need to feel the slide works about or derived, never pundit that they would have enough time to do that. So I was trying to do. A solid neces- curation because no I know spy padded after them after replacing lady, especially fight rematch, two former champions. Try to to put somebody cloudy. Do you need surgery Ray? I do not. I'm tired of had surgery on my foot has surgery on my shoulder surgery on my head. In a moment of the physical therapy center in lay, you'll see kind enough set me up with a very bad hand specialist. They have. So I'm gonna do physical therapy first, then I'm going to go to the hair specialist. He's gonna look at Myanmar is evaluate by hand. They'll seek the next affray. Definitely never I need back. I'm on the world to the Brown with Frank felt that go back and take by. And I don't need another social said that. So I'll be honest with you. I feel like there's a silver lining in all this, and you tell me if you feel otherwise, I didn't like this fight for you, because I feel like it would been very hard for you to top the way you beat Robbie Lawler, at UFC, two, one that was as patacula finish. And even if you win via third round KO as it was the first round KO, if you wouldn't be a decision they say, oh, it wasn't as good as the first time. And also, it felt like maybe you needed some time off after what happening. It's Comorros minute. So maybe this could be a blessing in disguise, my crazy here. I think everything from time. I've been in situations where I wanna go go go go go and God has a funny way of sitting down leaving to myself out of been in Arkansas. Right. Times had injuries. Surgery, I was forced to sit down force takes traveler. And having a low clock by Cal without scheduled to fight of skating agent at a blood clot by cat. I couldn't trauma can be out to the way that I wanted either dousing in works in games. I think sometimes guy has way of getting you to listen and maybe take time to evaluate yourself is I would just training your circle your pro-choice fourth and those little moment really made. Exponential growth as a person as a man of the father, Nassir finer. So, of course, I wanna be in the you know, only as good as informers is my job. It goes out there and the gate my last performance phenomenal. So I don't understand why certain things happen. But I'm starting to learn a little bit older. Too quick question. I agree with you this. Right. Wasn't as much for me as it was arriving. I don't need to prove anything, this guy that I took his for my ticket. Took his ability to have a large backyard fight. He wants his fight back. Immediately just leave making a show stay into to everybody else that, okay, this guy's woman by ocal fight. That's what the fans want to see the fans wanna see somebody to fight anywhere, anytime you love the same thing. So this was my gesture though on paper. It doesn't make doesn't make a lot of Robbie this offends you guys. Let me go out there and doing it. Let me do it better in my motivation, was through about allow them to have a chance to get back not allow avid chess retaliates. And also disqualified is for more win. If I did believe, maybe gimmick, live social. I smoke you a month or so, after those been fighting our two and a half months later, what is lifelike after that fight without the bell tower you handling it? I was going through a point where you going to be honest with yourself like the belt wasn't everything wasn't I stand by that. I do so many other things outside of fighters. Slogan that on us. More than half. I'm choking their aboard that I don't know any other US person by the level that diversify self as entertainers spider. Hosts body arch were lured on my hands so many different massive finish the groom that nobody can ever take that away the question, but when you lose the flop on that existed for any chance, also the author as champion map opposing gone. All right. I'll see who spent so many times to fight if he's against fighter. If you're in gills in Atlanta, and I told him the other day if I see one more time. I'm tired of. China Sea coming coming up. Damn go. You have to have the bell and Starbucks, you happen to go back. From nowhere like miss your own was a moving. Adam Sandler was missing deeds. They very sneak 'em up pop about anywhere, and he should be happy. And you know, I wanna live to have because he earned that he beat me. It was supposed to see executed the game plan against slows arguing against worker the long time. But now might testify back my chance show the fans are great ir. That's your same area. We vigil back there about us. He wouldn't have the greatest of all time, adding done, any chronic rock in cry over spilled milk after he'll fight. He would have not had the legacy. So now my to go back capture was mind. So when you when you see him view, you actually talk to them, or is it a little weird. Even if you see links of interest by what I gotta get though he's a competitor China as his daughter, you wanna know show her that all things possible. No Nigeria coacher all of a sudden, you know, receive this huge wave for the Nigerian fighters are these because many people may not gonna eat me marketing about the word easiest shoulder. Eventually. While you push. Never had it. So. Moment. Chanted wanna go first? I'll never I'll never take that away from any takes too long to get to that point. A lot of focus a lot of energy. To go into just by the I just actually competed whatever fighting I would've I have voted, but don't get too comfortable. With my vote, I will show that I'm grateful to how many. How many times have you watched that flight? It was like out of the experience medical back down. The washer fighting find out what idea right where the world is going to be me as valuated. It's like finding RDA. They me washing the feeling that does let me so the small cliffs feel social media, I might I let them take me down at, like he was punching at me like that. I did not come out like if I would have been fighting area the way that I saw myself looking filling in the first round if my opponent was Martha age looking, like I was having a badger out of knock myself allow on on everything. There's no way I would've allowed myself on the fight. If it was Robbie Lawler, he wouldn't allow the other fight just certain guys. It's their smell blood. And if you see somebody's. My life support. They willing to pull the plug in. That's what I would have done the myself. So I'm I'm blessed. Certain degree that I didn't really get hurt that bad fight. My ego guard by pride our I lost something very valuable to me. And my family are for did it against all odds. Did it gets a lot of bursary? And this lot of politics, did it against the best in the world. I was fighting super fights. I was fighting the specialists number continues. People the rest of the Beijing had a terrible time out, and it meant something to so looking back those clips me and my coaching staff do they Eric von decide. They don't make sense. Look at legis shake it off as just get yourself. Let's get back on the ball make training funding. Thank you. So we go out like that. You think I'm gonna just go out and the happen that go from building game I like that. I come from I come from so no, absolutely. You don't ever want to go back in sprinter sent. But I've been to way worse in losing the chase of those shot at cricket the gang fights ran from fifty people chasing me finance to me, there's really not, you know, you mentioned all the stuff that you've been through, and it, it somewhat reminded me of what we heard from rose last week. And she said that she was actually relieved after losing the fight after losing the fight on drudge and losing her belt subsequently. Is there any part of you that shares those sentiments sympathizes with what she was saying in terms of, like, now, you don't have to deal with all those politics? I know you wanna get right back in there. But is there a part of you? That is just somewhat relieved that you don't have to go through that at least right now. Pat topper worlds. We just talking about mental health out. About pressure in, I of committed mentally, started said, committed mentally, this far a support group of you have see the support group for fighters because we are taught so many times, more time tonight to go against each other to talk kit against each other to have that bloody each other, but we are networks really think about it. If I got a project coming out movie music, the whole, you have see roster should push that if they got something coming out on movie book of artwork something outside, I guess he, we should be able to tap into that, that should start, which is other projects that she go to and having a conversation as I talked to pad out talk the road. I can really attest a lot of. I can attest lot of stuff a mentorship or hide this because pressure. I'm different than her built but she just wanna fight out pun. I'm Bill for the I'm no for the politics. I I've been having third. I can do this whole time. If I was built for our never been able to stay by championship status. I was devas- office, I became using the pressure became use it. I hated because on the that went with champion. No, quite as scout. I was a best champion New York. She had when it came down to needing somebody that would be marked with somebody represent the scene with integrity, somebody that will come out the number one time and time again, the person that would always show up as professional always show of makeweight always show up in answer the questions when have you ever seen showering from interview did interview not by name court may spark precise interviews chills. In las. I'm never shied away from the positive feedback back the negative comments by inbox into the positive. I really formed away to become indifferent because our fans are like the Aleve going to treat. Once I what time they on the side of the fence other time they both another I recognize that I don't really take heart. So I'm I'm Jefferson lachey? Like that means something this, this empty void then is many people hit the of this. I don't feel right that he would check. You look like a champion champion use everything that is not him saying he does it. But as far as so many Sudafed thrown seat, you know, for like that. See smile. Cozy either breaking the leather in see this is a long time. No. This is a long time. I do know joint keeping war coming back. Is there any part of you that feels like maybe you put too much on your plate in hindsight? You've got so much going on with the movies and the music you just gotta lot. You mentioned all the stuff your father. They do feel like maybe you need to clear some stuff in order to get back on that path to get the belt. I don't think I don't think it's too much about it is, I've always said, so much the fans are just not getting the see that because I've giving you access our show. You check cafe chat life and I'll show you don't jeopardy while out alive dropping album fries. But I've been doing this up a hundred sailors forever record. I did. I mean, I'll let you hear some of the stuff before. I came out way back with this Apple's member corner pharmacy year as you try to use the proper back on that after a big victory, too shy. Utilize to release ten rate the way the ride the wave out. So it's really a marketing team, there's things at that maybe often have shelf with from time maybe a few songs that work on this album away, though, them, maybe some of the shocked or some crazy arguments. Whatever thing that took my mind space away. Hey, I gotta micromanage. I. Best. I am Bess what I'm in chaos, I had to come to grips with our John jobs at a while. No, he didn't train between camps on like him. I thought I was only run. It was kinda my secrets. And if you notice John, I'm not comparing myself job because, in my opinion, he may be the best may ask asking ever see giant has had so much house is life outside, occupy the, he's always managed to hone in, in South Africa. Founded don't run from don't have. I'm Bill got use. Sorry ray. And I say the summertime in the renaissance man was a man that did a lot of things did not scrape. That was his ad that it me. I won't. I won't sit on gifts. I won't sit on a guy gave me because if you sit on your various, they get taken away, somebody else who saw ongoing it's thug. Whatever way, I can whether to finding whether to music, it's through. Entrepreneurship, I'm probably going to be the best in public. Speaking of telling you stories in how I made it through the how I know Kate from furthest as tooth saw the odds are found a way to successful. I'm gonna be better public speaker. I'm gonna inspire more people to motivate were pew that are like minded came from a similar background. Or maybe have the same profession. I'm gonna be able to get through to better than somebody that has. And that's where my end goal is. So I need my platform by any my phone back. I need for people to see me far out. It's like it's like crawled up like Spiderman, the Empire State building area, all its took so long so many so many people thought I was crazy. Even the chicken. I got all the way up the right. And I lose my powers at the time I, I can fight ahead of battery packs, Nash out of my back. Download and then a fall from the top it so probably it's so embarrassing. Everybody sees it takes a long, and then when you hit that rock bottom, you look, it is it became to become intimidated, damn. I worked hard to get up there. And it makes you feel like this gonna be so hard to get back to the top else attributed any I got once I got there twice. And now it's gonna be third time. We're gonna make that run. I'm on my back. I'm endoscope. Mantar in appreciate you doing this get-well-soon. I hope your hand improves, and you could take some time to get back to one hundred percent. And then you get those big fights to get you back on track to getting that title. I really appreciate doing this on short notice tyrant, thank you so much. All right. There is turned Woodley stopping by great to hear from him and certainly wish him. Well, unfortunately, that fight isn't happening on June twenty-ninth, but as I said, it could certainly be a silver lining for the former and potential future. You have seen welterweight champion as well. All right. Let's move along now and say Hello to our next guest. He stole the show on Saturday. In Rochester, people still buzzing after what Michelle pa- head I did in his UFC debut against Danny Roberts. If you've been watching him outside of the U of see up until this point you aren't surprised by some of the moves he showed up before the fight during the fight after the fight. He is a human highlight reel. It's unbelievable. What this man can do, and he is kind enough to be joining us right now via the magic of Skype, Michelle. How are you? Michelle. Stole by more into Israeli relegate. Okay. Thank you very much for the translation help as well. So we shall providence on the victory on Saturday in your UFC debut people like I said, still talking about it. I'm wondering if we can start with the walkout you were very emotional walking out are openly crying. Why were you so motion as you are about to enter the cage? Liberal severe thermal time with him. Achievable Musalo, the progressive quicklime, which even. Manche about those. L. I want to stocky necessarily each to. So now the poor and might also at a on Donna Kelley. Cohere dodo FC Sundays. You could also changed his selling cata come up. Go ahead doing down. We'll still out. First of all, thank you so much for having me here, I was really motions, because it was always my dream to get today to the path to the you have see. And now I'm here. But thank you. Is that the first time in your career that you've been that emotional before fight than? And if so I'm wondering, because the announcers were talking about how it might affect you how you might not flight at your best, because you were so motion, I'm wondering if you were worried about that as well. Qua come with coin, which he will flip two little boys. PR because of them also. Moso Gil Chevy. No matter Apollo. In other book, you'll have a moment to being put up out of a moon to Braintree. It was swing a put a similar Mansoni. Being with he said, but getting it under show in tone to kill fees or champion, neither shot chance on your heart want kilo change his rallies out Macau basing town chain sped. His emotions did not bother him in the fight scenes. He was really prepared for it. He really worked for it. He is kind of person who is working on a time or what he wants sewing this fired. He really did what he wanted, and he's really glad of what he did did that go better than you expected. Or, or were you expecting to show off the arsenal? The moves that you did. In other words, is it possible that your debut exceeded your own expectations? Mustache says man daughter, Cuba, say ever face is out when Jia. Oh, let's ask, if as normal knows your fees, looters more mellow, Motorola. Ilan Cosa game on style shoulder Pocchiari lotta to happen. Don't you tamper? You must. Usual will kill Katya fuzzy in town of at I follow your what you. Okay. His fight on this fight. It wasn't the best one he ever did. Because he didn't have enough time to show his move for his fans and everyone. So he wants to give you second, Eric Nov move to it. So she is meals. Emerged background Bajour via ki moon turquoise ended up Mostra bottle could wife say. If you go to his Instagram, Facebook and all social media, as you can see that his fight it can be way better than this. It can show way more capacity on his fight. He can show way more talent. And what he is five because the didn't have time and his continues. Fish, no EFI for a moment. Opoku quiz. Chief Tampa Linda mistletoe unusual going the van do key, Khidir fuzzy me formally ideologue, tackle, mean undies five on the Europe. See he's still didn't have enough time show everything he wanted. So his waiting for the next one don't want to have will Sing Tao. Guardia inky, log, log will and I mean applause small little Sparrow lot through Moshel saw his next fight. He really wants so his show, his whole show show. What is capable of his is moves. Is it true Michelle that you were going to actually flip on, Danny Roberts, but the referee stopped you when you when you knock them down to the ground at the end was that your plan is that true? Because I think you might have been this qualified if you did that. So I'm happy that he started. It sounds like it is. Ever asking for their own flippable. Dale us reach pharaoh Bava like momento ill. It will lay your out Saul to is suck you alive in three point. Two hop doing Michio mice, Deutsche Sigmund. Get a chairman down the little shyer power, and Vicky not feel measuring Tavassoli shock out Bava who are majority. I'll south emojis from went to happen on this fight. They Jerry was really really fast. So if he had chill more seconds he was already going next to him and going on. Axiom who, who taught you the style like where did you come up with these, these moves? Was it? Just all you or someone actually teach you this. Can't you see all this move is, is meant to dispute or at the locus device or also amazed will say may some sewn, clear stories, meals, AO bills, that thing, great, you keep us me don't own land to like. Like daily talent key sorry. The thing of him. And then he thinks God gave it to him inside his style. And then all this that he does. It's his own moves. Great, you can promote cross. My vase vocal CJ about those old base out. But we could do I sit he helps in the next fight, he's gonna give good black famous rapes and stuff. So. Welcome back while during the show Mando. I've seen so way for him. He's going to be the show man in the UFC our Watauga Mellors. And it's gonna go to the best ones. My understanding is that you are actually kicked out of your house, as a ten year old and you had to sleep on floors in karate DOJ Joe's and really be on your own. Is that true? And if so, why are you kicked out of your house at such a young age? Ever lashing specifically. Candesartan Deji, also Kaiser was the meal being infected cheese. The meal known Makasi ball. No, no. Actively spoils from the house, those energy dodger cheeky though. This is on Vida. Key acne on my foreign badeah doc- to Mark kill Dodgeville model. If it wasn't on ten years old. It was an he was twelve and he wasn't kicked out of his house. He had a chance to move from Tacoma Chuma. Now's if his mother, but he didn't he he chose to stay into camman Nepad our his with his aunt, and uncle Joe Mercer. This is equally money, brought up. I'm anals Amir. He lives visit you've got their oil chance of this is on you feed into combined our karate. He, he suggests eulogy jot let so he chose for stain to camman with his family, his mom, and he wanted to learn well, how to fight and Cava athletic live. So that's why he chose stay and not go, your Manala his mom, get by. This is Oklahoma. Guiding Kumar it right now, the usually stumbles, you have done to combine toward suit para. So thank God. He made the right decision. He said, and we all this, he would have made the same decision. He wouldn't have changed anything because he's representing to command from Barra and your, I think it was either Crotty fighter amateur FAI. Is it true that it just lasted seven seconds or coach put you in there without any experience whatsoever? And that's kinda how this whole thing started few. He just he after a few weeks of training, put you in there and you win a fight in seven seconds via flying knees that true. But it has give us the Cassivi on satis groom. You're putting it on of for for such signals in all cake. Quasi lately, either, don't change usually saying this checkout. I did. Callan rutile, coons, Zet, Chan's changed their side channels on the followed. On this side. He was seventeen years old. And. Yeah. As true that he knocked the guy out with seven seconds. Does his knees. He just grabbed his knees and to his face. So. What do you say to people who say that, you know, you're being too much of a show off that you don't need to do all these flips and things like that? You're being disrespectful to your opponent. What's your response to that question? I that Cuando oversaw follicles, the same insys bay of tortoises, scumbag yard material that kid in the most our McCoy's there. Coarser kill. We could Chicago commits winter specials, file out on mile allowed gotta quiz by got, of course, did you see who? Doc was out of the. Oh his life. Everyone around him said it was something that you don't do in fight something that a clown would do and something that you don't do that. But he always like that's my way of finding and I wanna keep doing that. Go to kill sprucing Gill known stole graphical gang killing still exists pay. Tony game apple chew kill create Prada meeting. Kill Velu tunnel. Put us Jim. He really wants to people to understand that is he's not making fun of anyone. He's not pretending he's the best in the fight is just the way he likes to find the way he knows how defied and these way is how he wins cupola quotas? Amir's Louis down on your show. Republican wary allies saga name moves out at the ocean g staffers who kill to qualify at down respect the wound up as kit. Ashim aloe to keep passing rests keep bag on his own plastic shells is normal show officials so his get his goal in every fight it should give a show to everyone. So he, he likes to win, of course. But his main goal is should give show to everyone that by the ticket around to go see him and enjoy his fight. So what he's doing is, basically, giving show to the people that is watching him in thong while Luther universities, noon, cone, won't presence Lupu shot that your boss obey this high will say cannot his demise while the shelter. He promised everyone that is watching this right now that you never seem a barring fide that he's gonna give he's always going to try to give his best ten always gonna try to do something, different and something more. I don't know. Create him in the middle his fight driven the experienced doing break dancing, or things like that, because I feel like you'd be an unbelievable dancer. Have you done this in the past? What's it gonna spend any sad? Don't sound, oh oh committed any asking. Bone fat inciting. Oh, alleged sale adore outlet dollar G does the allergy coma freak rather than to MIR. Did you don't say the allergies zoom by, at all because body coma? Chee by Charta, intone, outdone suffice. Spongy me awash, the wind on saw, he asks he does much dance really. Well, he does he know she gave of Zomba. He knows how chicken. Kinda dances, and Jaffa. Right. So he knows how to that it definitely seems like everything changed after your fight in Rhode of see back in December because that was a crazy fight. I mean just lasted what forty one seconds. But that clip was shared everywhere. Why do you and you know, you're, you're what you're twenty three and nine or twenty two and nine. So I mean you've, you've been fighting for quite some time. Why do you think that flight was the one that got you out there? And I think got you on the US's radar. Okay, let's get calendar. The flea super happy, but give us ash castle with a fellow the key. She don't mice chill commit. Salma hitter. Feazel throws in your tras, Luther Shafi's movements give. Kane'ohe Kelly's Mayes now. Don't Amedure comb. Stolas ago audio Asha Kyodo, simple kid, Starbucks mounting partner, bake value, millions of dollars who Santa's. Thanks sowings at Deutsche, Atlantis Munthe important, scary, onell dot e Ochida Southend, sewn do. That's a little bit though. Ask you for graduate school little. Heaving always doing this moves and forever, single five that he does. But he thinks because of j j what is your your. Don't tournament during a million. He was saying because it's one million dollars tournament that everyone was watching. So that's probably why it actually went viral. Okay. And I heard that he weighed around one hundred ninety eight pounds. You looked way bigger than Danny Roberts. Is that true? He weighed twenty pounds more than you wait in it. You're actually fighting at one hundred ninety eight in a world tweet fight is that accurate. GM was it? Quasimodo 'producer-pays. I gotta. Sink menace. Briancon tequila take on the new harvest. You today, such. Kilo sner. So he took seventeen kilos on this fire. Feel if you can change phones, or even medicine on my head, and you can make seventy no problem. It's unbelievable. I mean you look like yet, a weight class above him last thing for you who do you want next? Came across who. You gotta plant on life set with temple is sample. Doctor's office a special scope in Seattle. Tagil Tassell corner McGregor zone. Yeah. Scorpio got the yearbook tackles minorities. Healings wanted to being the youth, Sybil ran out who he really wants to fight is comes in. Guy. Conor mcgregor. Yes. Snake D. That is who's Mellors category? Una chances of his category. Okay. Wait a second. Jackie have you never heard of Conor McGregor. Is that what you're telling us right here on telling you right here, that is unbelievable? Well, you did a great job translating, by the way, well, done to you. And well done to Michelle, this is amazing. They call you demo dole and I believe that's their right daredevil in English. You certainly are. Certainly our daredevil my friend. It's been a lot of fun watching you and what a debut, we haven't seen a debut like that in quite some time. So parabens. Congratulations on the victory and I'm looking forward to the next one. Thank you very much. All right there. He is. Michelle Beheira demo dole. How about Jackie the translator never heard of Conor McGregor. That's unbelievable. I thought everyone knew who kinda McGregor was amazing. All right. Well, that's a good transition for our next guest because he fought in the main event of that card in Rochester, which featured the likes of Michel ahead up Felicia, Spencer, who we're going to talk to in a bit as well. But RDA have failed though, Sancho stole the show on Saturday defeating Kevin Lee in the main event via submission great performance. Great bounce back win for the former UFC lightweight champion kind enough to be joining us right now. How fell whereas I don't know. Is he on the phone? Oh, there he is. How, how are you? Very good. Thank you for having me area, a pleasure as always congratulations. On the win, by the way, did you have a chance? I know you were getting ready for the fight. But did you have a chance to watch and fight, you seem all doing the flips and all that stuff? Now I heard a lot of him. I heard here he did great stuff on the fight, but I didn't have a chance to watch his fide. Okay. Yeah. I understand you were getting ready for your own so great performance. You get back on track. I heard that you said afterwards that have felt like a weight was lifted off your shoulders because of the losing streak try to reassure yourself once seventy on this Monday. How do you feel now that you're back in the in the win column? Matfield grey. Chalk home, you know, after eighteen months without having my, my hands raise it inside the octagon my last win was against Robbie Lawler. And this number two thousand seventeen and I felt Koby and Oestmann Joe lots of back to back. But I'm thank God. I got a got back. I'm back in the winning winning path how much were the losses weighing on you like did you feel like this was a must win situation for you fell. Yeah. Especially I was I was I was I was trying to not put so much pressure on, on my shoulders. But I I was on that situation for chill times in my life. I lost chilling arro- on me. See the view. And then the four I move up division. I'm I lost twice in a row chew after those, my belt, and I was able to turn things around and get some winning straight. And I feel that I'm on days in this situation now and calving moving up the vision he was big. He was Sean fast. But in I felt like what's kinda in a bit of risky, because he hid it had not you lose on that fight just came like Joe five and I think but I was able to, to put my strategy news, make speed. And so my favorite. I thought he started really well. I thought he looked really good in the first round where you surprised at all, by the way, he fought in that first round, did he did. He catch you off guard at all. No. He didn't hit in Iraq me on any time and night Neil, he'll come strong. I knew that. But I that was salt, part of the plane, you know, Kip aware him down even he was sporting against the fans that was being like making walk being having on him in all making what card and trying to, you know, I knew as if I go forward OBI, a lot more advantage for me. And that's how the play out. Okay. And then obviously, the fight went on you began to pick up scene, but he also began to lose some steam, he, he started to run out of gas. Could you feel that? And if so, how soon in the fight, did you feel like did you start to feel that in the second round that wasn't as quick wasn't as strong? Yeah. Yeah. I was feeling that he was in no guessing out the little be. And, and but, you know, I think once I think once say I felt like putting my take down to and shutting off. He's staked Donaldson. They him down that, that, that play a big part. Big mantle game on that fight, and I was able to be on top chew, and they can dollar. I think that, that change defied to feel like this narrative that he ran out of gas is almost like taking something away from you. That it's not giving you enough credit. Sorry, say it again, like a lot of the talk after this fight is that. Oh, kevin. Look good. But then he ran out of gas. You feel like it should be no half L. Maybe whether the early storm. But then he actually like, you know, executed the game plan and was the reason why he ran out of gas like you feel like you're not getting enough credit after this kind of. People a lot of negative it negatively all day. I know pip always gonna say, you know and he held up good until the fourth but in that was that was proud bottom strategy. You know. And I think it's about wanting more in that I want that fight more. And I don't give an on I you know, I was with a good cardio in a good day, good spirit. And, and I, I don't I don't listen this, this negative, you know, if the fight didn't go your way you were going to keep fighting right? Like your career wasn't on the line here. Correct. No, not at all. You know that will be. I got that question, therefore and that fight. But I say Ed in. That they not even cross my mind like a lose their five that that wasn't an option for me in. I wasn't playing with that option. I, I knew I have to win. I you know, I wasn't it their fight so much. But of course, not my career. I'm thirty four years old forty forty five forty professional fight buddies show. I showed got a lot on me. And I'm on this game for a while. Would you like your next fight to not be against the wrestler, would you like to see a different kind of opponent next? I don't care. I show I show. That's why took the five having a lot of people say all the wrestler gonna be the same thing. But, you know, I took him down. I took I took Kobe down twice if I'm not wrong and, and I was able to stop his takedown. He he just put me against the fans and I thank sometimes that game on the for the judge size and it looked like a bit bad. But that was part of my strategy shooter. No make him carry me there. I know I have my Suda missions attempt, and, but I don't care, whatever you have think I was in. I thought maybe but baddest but you have see already put some book bad as Nadir's Hannah high. But in that Salata options, there will see. Well, speaking of options earlier in the show, Liane Edwards wants seven. And rose said that he would like the fight you an Abu Dhabi. Do you have any interest in this fight? We'll see what you have see, I have shown that far on the on the should be on that on that card. They'll be good at forty Dhabi. If not, I think, in two thousand twelve two thousand ten I think, falling dive it was in a good energy and that could be. But, you know, I think I have all the people on my Rader. You know, even even even corner, he's still talking about my broken full as has I broke my food in all, and that show what kind of purse or his, you know, thought cannot ball like that. I'll fellow fighter get hurt before the fight and still making fun of head that could happen with anybody on this game. But now I have that before my raider minutes after your victory on Saturday. Connor was tweeting about you. I think he was responding to another journalist, Josh gross tweeting about, you know, what, what might have. Been had that fight materialized between you and him back. You have one ninety six and he said, oh, you know, yet, yet, I think he's he said, Bruce toe, and then correct. And then someone tried to correct them and he was just talking about it. Which is what you just alluded to you feel like that's his way of trying to, you know, maybe poke you to try to get this fight. You think he's interested in this fight, or is it just his way of stirring, the pot? How do you take that I think we had a war, schedule to find the tries? One I broke my foot. They were the one. Hey, you know, he got involved on the on the on the buzz author -cation in New York. But according to ham, he was scheduled fight for the interim belt wall to wait, bell in Rio of. So we'll see that I think that's, that's a fi- that everybody wants to see. And I think that, that, that if, if I did not broke my foot that will be a total different career for Khanna McGregor that his career will play out the totally different, and it got lucky. He did this and hit that, hey, if aid got finished by but he was able to come back and and win another fight. But, you know, I think if that fight happened that will change his career. But of course, we'll see looking forward to the future, and in all I've that that's something that interests should for sure. Yeah. I wrote a story today for years. ESPN dot com about how there's three fighters who have been scheduled to fight Conor McGregor in his career and the fight didn't materialize, because of an injury Cole Miller Andy Ogle, and you the other two are no longer in the UFC and they were scheduled to fight him you know early in his career, but you're still here you're still fighting you're still winning. And I feel like it would be a nice story, if you got that opportunity to, to finally fight him a few years later. So I for one hope that they actually figure out a way to make it happen. Oh, yeah. That's something that I'd like, and I think a lot of fans will delight to watch that one too. And especially for the whole history behind that. I enjoy before the fide, and we light suppose fight for the to welterweight champion and things didn't work on his side. And we'll see, you know I'm open and I hope things happen. Would you consider going back down to one fifty five for Connor? Are you? I need that, that will be something that I would have to change my whole of my whole diet that will be something that I'll have to have a longer notice will say, like three or four months notice, and I will I will need to change things around, but they'll be something, but the ideal bay once sixty five hundred seventy pounds that will be ideal for me. Speaking of sixty five Kevin throughout the offer to win win sixty five but, but you said, no why. No. I don't do agree mention my name is before in on the fire week in I. We are scheduled to fight one hundred seventy bounce and I'm not gonna do if they wanna that. Like I told, you know, some people that ask me if he wanna make a hundred sixty five that's on him. But I'm gonna make hundred seventy bonds that were there I did signing four and but in oh I don't do agreement to with my my he was my intimate in on that week. And, and I don't wanna make an agreement would you like to see them open up sixty five pound division? Yeah. I think that will be good in that'd be if we could push their hundred seventy pounds for one hundred seventy five right and add hundred sixty five pounds of vision. They'll be great. I think a lot of big guys at one hundred seventy pounds, the like that, and, like smaller guys like me would be happy chill with one hundred sixty five bounds. All right. Well, congratulations. On the win fell. I'm really happy for you that you were able to get back on track of very press of win dominant win decisive win you get the finish. You are now. I'm being told you are the thirteenth fighter in. You have history with at least two wins via arm triangle. So that's tied for a UFC record one more and seems like you would move up in that particular ranking and also your eighteen UFC wins tied for six most in company history and second, most among Brazilians just two behind Damian Maya. So also, by the way, your victory over Kevin Lee was the. Fourth latest finish in UFC welterweight history. So a couple of notable things about that. Great win for you on Saturday night. Happy to see you back on track fell, and I'm looking forward to what's next for you. I wish you all the best. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And let's see let's see what future holds and I'll be ready for any potential that came up. All right. I'm looking forward to thank you fell. Always a pleasure to talk to you. There. He is. How failed assigned jobs looking forward to seeing what is next for him? Whether it's Leon Edwards, whether it's Conor McGregor. There are other opportunities out there. Of course, there's the Robbie Lawler, fight, that's potentially out there for be wants that maybe Santiago Nubia a lot of guys. But most importantly, right now for how does Angeles getting back on track after the two fight losing streak. Getting the win over Kevin Lee and Kevin Lee, by the way posted pretty emotional victory. Excuse me, a pretty Moshel video, I should say on Instagram after the fight from his hospital bed seems to be I spoke to his manager briefly seems to be taking the loss, obviously hard. But it sounds like no major injuries coming from that. So. Perhaps taking some time off. But I would like to see him. Stay one seventy I think one seventy is best for him. He told me on Friday that he only has to cut one pound on Friday morning. Part of the winds and when he was fighting five years cut twelve pounds. That's just absurd Friday morning. The morning of the wage got twelve pounds. That's nuts so big win for half elbow side jobs, Saturday night. All right now, let us turn our attention back to this past weekend card in Rochester. Because in my opinion, one of the best stories that came out of that card is that person Felicia Spencer, our next guest, the former Invicta, FC, featherweight champion the woman who may very well be our. And when I say, our, I mean, the great country of Canada on this Victoria day. Our next best hope to become UFC champion Felicia Spencer defeated. Megan Anderson, in her UFC debut on Saturday and very fashion. We are naked choke first round. Wow. Felicia. Spencer, welcome to the program for the first time. Thank you introduction, and you deserve it. And I must say, I apologize because my guy, New York, Rick, who you may knows. Well, has been telling me for the last couple of years that I need to get on the Felicia Spencer bandwagon than to have you on the show, and I figured after you see debut on this Victoria day. It was at propo-. You're finally on the show and your fellow Montreal. Or so. This is very exciting for me. Let's start there where in Montreal. Did you grow up? And how long did you live in Montreal for? Wasn't very long said. Family lived outside the city. They moved when I was about four to Florida. So I've been back a lot, but I didn't really grow up and live, live the life this much. I think it's portrayed. But I'm definitely my family is there a lot of families there. My grandfather my uncle actually drove from Montreal to watch me in Rochester weekend. So it's very special to be close. This might be heart. Breaking news. Do not claim Canada. Are you not do you consider yourself more of an American than a Canadian? Have to represent. I'm definitely lived in America, pretty much my whole life, aside, the first four years, but I feel very, very Sean connection to the homeland, especially with my family being there and visiting so much I hate to break your heart, though. That was pretty much raised in Florida to of Florida girl myself. Why did you family leave Canada to go move to Florida when you're a kid, just in different opportunities might my dad was in the Canadian army, and then different things happen? And then he ended up he's also an American Taliban coming in states. He was also Merican. I'm going to my dad. Armenians. Wow. I've never heard that before. So, so, so he actually served on the Canadian and American army. That's unbelievable. Is he still army now, longtime on time has okay? Wow. That's incredible. We'll good for him. And thank you to him for his service. And so I understand it was your brother who got you into martial arts is that like since you've been like four or five years old. That's when you started. Chained with my both of my brothers since I was four when I started taekwondo my parents got me in just. For self defense, but also just put something in front of us has kids being being trained together as a unit was very important for my parents to help us, you know, stay connected with each other. And then also I think they pretty sure they had seen some, some footage of Gracie doing amazing work, and they thought it was martial arts was the way to go. So definitely, oh, it's my parents and training with my brothers helped me develop a passion for it. So definitely stems from family. Two point you go from just training with your brothers doing it to, you know, to have fun stay fit to actually considering this as a career for yourself. When does that happen? It was really an evolution detect one all that time I started you did do when I was twelve. And then just evolved from there when I was eighteen I moved to Orlando went to college started to actually do tie and more different striking arts in wrestling, pure wrestling. And it just kind of grew as soon as I got. I know when I was eighteen about ten years ago, the gym out that the jungle, I've been there, since, you know, as soon as I moved here, lend I went to the jungle, and I was just everything with putting together so nicely. And I just wanted to compete, and there wasn't a future for women. It wasn't a thing like I could be a freshman athlete, and that, that wasn't even an option so much back then. But I grew up -tunities agree when I knew being, I would just be at the always pushing the limit as far like go. It's been a long time. Coming lost your amateur debut, correct? But you have not lost since amateur the rest of the way you went undefeated in your opposite undefeated as a pro knows, is that correct? And what did that do, do you mentally the first time you ever compete? It. And it ended up being plus disguise. It was a split decision. It was something that. F a lot of pressure kind going in, like everyone knew I was already taekwondo about is, I think of purple Ballard Brown belt to sue to. There was a lot of just support behind me. Oh, you're no. This is gonna be an easy easy wear kind of thing, not that I took it lightly. But I think I was extra nervous with just putting pressure on myself, and my number one thing I didn't wanna gas out in that fight, and I feel like I learned so much that I, I wasn't able to let go and just. Do more worked, and so after the fight I just felt like I could never let that happen again. I have to push the pace and pretty much from their out. It was fireworks. So it taught me a lot and. I'm glad to have that. I lost my record. I think it said, also been good to inspire other people are e can learn from your mistakes, because for them, you could make some big changes, your, former Invicta champion, you make your debut on Saturday. Obviously fighting in the UFC, big stage lights little different than Invicta. No knock on Invictus just the different kinds of stage. How did you feel it there you perform great? But internally, where you little more nervous anxious in the hours before the fight. How did it all go down? It was very strangely familiar. I know it's bigger stage and everything, but I felt like everything was kind of going. How is supposed to go and I had just the normal amount of nerves and nothing extra. Really, I felt like my number one goal in this camp was to put myself in a in a mental state where I can just be myself in the cage, because that's when I performed my best when I can just be be an just as soon as I was in the cage, I knew it was a new is my night because if fell right to be there when you got the victory, the submission, which seems to be like, Rhonda had the arm bar think the rear naked choke seems to be your signature move, because I believe according to my stats here, all four of your submissions have come via rear naked choke including your last three wins. So obviously, that's something that's working well for you was that something that you thought was opened against someone like Megan, maybe because of a frame, I don't know it just seemed like you're like you're like a knife slicing through. Hot butter out there. It was amazing to watch you very slick on the ground. Thank you so much. I mean it's my world as an amateur had a few wins with arm bars, but it wasn't an intentional thing to make my career about your naked show. But honestly, the last few years. Things definitely shown. It might my ground game is just it just goes to the backs. Much. If you guys can still hear me. Oh, yeah. Okay. Little crazy there. Yeah. I don't I it's, it's not like I intended to always just go to the back by that's just where I've become very strong, and it safe. You know for 'em. May I have a little more fun than take my risk when I'm scrapping in the gym, but, you know, when you're doing when you're in a fight on wanna eat a bad position, subs- gonna go the quickest way that I know which is taking, by the way, we just showed a photo of you carrying very proudly the great Canadian flag guidance, you carrying any Florida flag. Any American flag? That's your roots right there. Don't turn your back on us. We're excited about. We're so proud of you. It was awesome to be close to Rochester in Rochester, so close to Canada, to had some said, family friends. Friends of my parents that I had never even met before had supported me. And it was really cool to be close than we walked over actually my fiance, and I walked over to Canada for Magara falls this week. It was a nice trip to the Canada. So, so this is my dilemma, because, as, you know, featherweight is as shallow as can be. And it sounds like you're down for anything you wanna fight anyone. And then we saw Chris cyborg, immediately after your fight say, she liked the fight you and Edmonton, I'll get your thoughts on that in particular. But I would like a bit of a slow built here. The problem is there is no one to build you up, slowly was because there's, there's literally no one other than Megan Anderson, and Chris cyborg in this division, Amandus fighting at one thirty five, and she's more of a natural one thirty five or so are you. Okay. With that, like you feel comfortable fighting that kind of opponent, or an perfect world. Would you rather a slower build? I live in the real world, and I knew this coming. So, you know, of course, news, there's past that would be different in different divisions by I knew that once I got to the and once I begin that one two options. So I'm I'm ready for it. You know it's. Talk to the C about timing and the contractual things that go along with wind fighting, Chris, but you know, she's a legend, I seem to rise to occasion. I keep surprising myself sometimes my teammates, the fries, but. I'm really excited for the opportunity that comes next. So you like that idea, if it all works out, you wouldn't mind finding Chris Eiborn next in Edmonton. It all works out, Edmonton's, little soon. Maybe I wasn't sure about fighting in the summer, but I said it kind of up to what the talk to me about with likes. Contracts and things like that. I, I started with an entry level contract. So it would be kind of big step up. So I'd wanna be smart about my next move EBay. But like you said, there's not there's not many options. So I know it's coming soon mega said last summer. I knew you meeting begin enersen at some point, and our past would process. And I know it's the same. It's the same now with precise. At some point, whether it's next or in a year, you know, it's going to happen to some. She like this. You're being very polite. But in other words, you're trying to say if you fight Chris Eiborn, they book against cyber, you wanna get paid Chris, cyber gets paid a lot of money, and she's a big you're saying, you're not really saying it's all safe for you. Wanna get paid only one that doesn't get paid. If I had seen people get paid not, they wouldn't do just for the honor. But I know what I'm more absolute your hundred Giannakou. It's made like three hundred thousand dollars to fight or not saying that she didn't serve that, but you should get the same and I'm assuming you to make three hundred. Thousands of fight mean Anderson on Saturday, even close. And were you surprised that she called you out that quickly? I didn't really think about how quick that would happen to be honest. I'm just I kind of just tried to brush it off at night. 'cause you know, obviously, there's a lot to talk about, like my team and with the where that's considered. So. Just was trying to enjoy my night. But Chris Borg's Varian ball with the division. I know that she just wants to grow the division and I'm here to, to help build the division up. So I think we're on the same team in that regard along with Megan Anderson, I think we're all in the same sort of on the same page in that regard, just wanna build our division of, and we wanna kinda pick each other out to do it. And sometimes hell each other out is how we do it. Not for all in it. Did you get any sense this past week while you were around the UFC officials that they are actually interested in growing this division because it has been a very slow build? I mean, there aren't even rankings they tried to do the ultimate fighter, but most of those fighters like the winner Macy shakes. I went down to one thirty five. Do you get the sense that it's here to stay? I do. I feel like I said it in another interview last when Chris fought lost feel like if they wanted to dissolve the vision that was their moment to do it because it sounded like a man in wasn't coming back to the to the division. I feel like they wouldn't have signed me they weren't trying to build. And they did say they signed a few others. I haven't really I know that there's a fight of nothing Sweden. I think listen featherweights. So I feel like this is the push in the right direction, and I'm excited to become pervasive, division you'll soon. Between you. And megan. Now, now, there is some Twitter like couple years ago, but nothing nothing bad. I mean just just talking a little bit. And she'll say her part, I think she said here on a different level that kind of thing, but I, I don't have to talk so much. Sometimes when I can perform the way I did so. Just put. My stamp on it. Did you see her her message last night, because she did seem genuinely happy for you. Yeah. And she, she was very shed kind words in the cage also, you know, pretty much, what she was saying in the post, she was happy for me. You know, thought it was nice nice Kurt approach that, too. I can't wait to see her bath. L people. I've been trying not to read comments. But I see in a few people kind of talking down to your why haven't you worked on your ground game. But same time, you know, Holly and I on our different level on the ground. Megan could've improved drastically on the ground, but it doesn't matter. I've been I've been doing just for fourteen fifteen years. And there's no amount of this is certain level, where you can't just catch up, how he's only been on the ground for a few years. So. I think she probably has improved a lot, but it wasn't enough for me. And I love the fact that you have the legend Seth Petrocelli buyer side from the jungle. How old were you? So let me take off top my head. You said. So you were probably if my math is correct, here eighteen when he beat Kim Bo slice. Some I right? Do you remember watching night? I didn't I was at that time, right before I came to the gym. I wasn't. Like an enemy fan. I wasn't really when I got to the gym when I was eighteen that's when I started to train like watch with the chain and become more involved in it. I didn't know who's he was separators Elliott Tom Lawlor, and Mike Leone the gym. I didn't know who they were had pink hair when I arrive right after the Kim. Bo. Fight a news a big deal, but I was like, which one is it like putting fi, so, but it's, it's an amazing team and I'm really lucky too, that it stayed, so, so strong and we have so much fun in the corner. I'm sure you can just see the antics that chef spin win over the years. It's, it's, it's the perfect group of people that mess around all day and have fun and kick ass. Still work as a algebra teacher. I do. Yeah. We back to our tomorrow while citrate, algebra, correct. I teach at virtual school, so it's not in a classroom. Do like phone tutoring and stuff like that. And. A lot of emails and phone calls. Basically, a lot of grading stop back at my, my computer tomorrow morning, answering emails, probably watching the show like my normal routine every week. You know, grading my work and watching anime shows. That's all students all day long. Do they know who you are? Like do they know what you've been doing as of late where you did this past weekend times? Sometimes they say, hey, I, Google do recently, I guess it'll probably happen more often now but. I never really promoted in that way at one, I sort of mixed the world's too much. But yeah, I'm excited to see where it goes. I guess as long as I feel, I can really keep the, the image, positive edges show, the all the good sides of the sport. So when I get you wanna keep that going or at some point, you think you're going to have to drop that as your career progresses. It's definitely something I thought about more, you know when, when able this transition. You don't think working fulltime entertaining fulltime to I've been able to balance it really well? I need to kind of reevaluate as far as the timetable for returning, and who don't biting next to see if now the time to take a few years off. You know, or or if I can juggle it all still. I work a lot. I rise every Asian every challenge. So I I always seem to get it done. Hopefully, I can remember the bills fighting still have a good huger. This time next year. You you've see champion. You know this crazy to think about haven't even I haven't even thought about it. But how my I have to fight for championship. I can envision that right now. It's awesome. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's what I wanted feed on who gave you that nickname. F. E. E. N OM. Well, my nickname around the gym is fi. Okay. So after one of my amateur fights don't commented that was FINA Malino spelling like my name, and then it's oh, oh, hey. Finan. I was a little distant at first because there are other fiancee's like be tour, a couple of others with the Motown Tom, but spelled differently so unique of and it just stuck I stuck from narrow. Honestly, it came from the Facebook comment from my nickname, being fee. Alexis davis. Sarah Kaufman, Valerie LaTour. No random Marco summarize, Jillian Robertson, and now Felicia Spencer, you may not claim Canada Felicia, but we're gonna claim you all right. Montreal's Felicia Spencer, our next best hope to win the UFC title. Congratulations on the victory. Congratulations on an amazing debut, and it's gonna be a lot of fun. And again, I apologize as Canadians like do. I Pol jobs for being so late. But I'm firmly I'm driving the bandwagon now. Right. So you can count on me. So great to have you on for the first time and looking forward to the next time. Awesome. Thank you so much again for having me. And thank you, one watching it, supporting and sponsors. And everyone couldn't be here with that all of you. Great stuff there from Felicia, Spencer. Thank you very much to her, and all of a sudden slowly, but surely business picking up at one hundred and forty five pounds, the cyborg fight is fun. It's interesting it feels a little soon, but cyborg does have one fight left on her contract. And. It would seem like maybe they wanna do that fight before. But also, she doesn't resign. Are you gonna have her fight a big time prospect like Felicia Spencer on our way out have her beater? I don't know. That's the problem with one forty five there. Just aren't a lot of great options right now. But cool to see her succeed, New York. Rick has literally been talking to me about her for two years in saying you need to get on the show you need to get behind her. She's a Montreal. Or although now we come to learn a 'cause I'm a trailer, it nevertheless great debut on Saturday. Couple of the things I wanted to mention before we get to our Lasca. So the day, the new straw, championed, the UFC just drudge, this is going to be awesome to have her on the show. You should check out Israel to sign is Instagram. If you have not checked it out, yet, the stuff that he's doing back home in Nigeria is really remarkable. And I feel like we should be very thankful that we have people like is route assign. Yeah. In our sport as a fresh face leading the way in this new ESPN era. So to. It's really cool to see him giving back to the kids. They're giving them hope teaching them bringing the belt to his his former school beautiful stuff. So while done is route Assan. Yeah. Also, congratulations to dust Emporia who received the key to the city of Lafayette. Louisiana last week, cool moment for him. I know very proud. We saw that little moment where he was going back and forth with with Dana Cormet calling him out for not being Lafayette resident anymore. So I know he's very proud of his Lafayette, roots. And I wanted to congratulate him on that used to thing on the TV show where I'd say, you know, my three stars of the week, we'll have switch things up a little bit. And now on the TV show, which by the way, still airs Tuesday nights on ESPN two midnight eastern, nine Pacific last segment. Is usually a turn back the clock where we countdown. Some countdown this week. It's going to be top Memorial Day. You have see moments. So that's a really good one. Do check that out. But on my Instagram, I'm going to be giving my three stars of the week and that will come out after the show. So if you wanna know whom I three stars of the week, the people who shine brightest outside of the cage, this is not for people who want flights or something like that. It's something that has to do with outside of the cage stuff like in Israel Sonya, like it doesn't check that out. It'll be up later today. And I want to remind everyone also that because next Monday is Memorial Day, we are not going to have a show. We will have the show on Tuesdays. So same time same place. But instead of Monday, it'll be choosed as so do make note of that. In a matter of moments, we're going to be joined by the brand new UFC straw champion, let us not waste any more time. Let's say Hello to the brand new UFC strawberry championed. The one and only Jessica on drudge joining us for the first time in the history of this program. And she's also being joined by her managers slash translator in this particular case te'o. How are you? Jessica. Thank you for doing this. Got just excessive jails way. This is amazing. TI go is in. I think California just goes in Brazil, we've never done something like this before, but it was warranted because just goes on top of the world right now. So thank you very much to both of you for doing this. Jessica, you want the built nine days ago. What is lifelike as a champion? Chequerboard developed into the rest. Might come here. Banco hit which Aki talk to join the accompanying. Gilgit. I saw come to hang Kyoko stage to my cellphone. Fred, these phone value Montelongo key baby, but allow it might say they'll catch mice Naveh. Cordell splits. You know, it was a very long road both for me for the team. We've been added for a long, long time. And it finally worked out. The team, you know, coach did an amazing work with me train me, says the beginning, and we finally get the fruits from all that work when you were dreaming of becoming a UFC champion and you were going through all that work, and you came from very little, and we're dreaming big to finally get that belt did it in your dreams feel like what you are feeling now or are the feelings that you're feeling on top of the world as champion of the division has it exceeded your wildest dreams. On showing up at that is nine Porsche Gonesse on Moslems inching guava over sachet each angrily. Imagine how that could you say? Moines terrain to carry my Napoli. Liaisons there is zero giddy attack on Pia key, call joie on the. Miso. Nakyal. ES. Competi-. Sagis. Alka. The Jason to only go sat she key point bay. My article is. Is the Judas rescues up on so? Two years ago had the chance to to try about and you don't really work out. You know, work very hard this best two years to make sure that, you know, if I had the chance again, I'll make the most of it. And you know it's still early day saw, I'm not sure how much we're going to be able to each without and all around, my waist, but we're doing a lot of work, you know, I'm getting a lot of exposure here in Brazil, and I think we're going to get much more than a good evergreen out of it. How many times have you watched the fight? This trouble. Once once this job, you. I might have watched about then times probably maybe more did she surprise you in the first round? I thought that that was the best rose had ever looked in the UFC. She, she seemed to look very good and opened up a cut that I know you had suffered prior to the fight, but where you had also prized by how good she looked in that in that first round. Middle on, John was explained about his two hundred that village up by suitable anywhere hose sustained Pless Incas of water nation. Sidiqi todd. That were mice electroplating deal moving. I was he just? Oh advocate. Key elegy e as stopping to find out the hard decisions, the elephants vice they Al. Go. Woo. Who as I'm of mentors Asia, though, sat, they'll catch mice, novel Naoki, the Alamo, that's in the middle Hodge rattlesnake yield to Shantha now the brab to save on the halogen judge Shinko how the. What say surprise me because it was within the plans that, you know, I was going to go into the first round and get tagged Dando choose gonna hurt me on the first round, but it was land. You know, we were working to body where working two legs, we were fighting a five round fight ended up any little bit quicker, but they'll plan was to our out and finish. Eventually, the it was kind of within the Blance through to get a little bit of difference. You're bleeding in the first round from what I understand, you, you had to cut that reopened a cut that you suffered prior to the fight could you tell us what happened and were you worried when you started to bleed in, in the early portion of the fight? Chevy award or not all, but a middle algae kidding Cina onto the ones subject will make decisions quashed useful. In the the infamous. Intel on sale now on that Hooton. It would have to ask me. New the, the scatter Schuylkill Ohka. Big ass bosses acapella today. Blooming the allowed the now. What did you can't? But you might as well she no phone coached on ninety Janci at that. Been Selena match that wall into mice mid the do Chip Beck Rudolph in because this he's rich come movement in dodge, checkable, Colin southwest up. Call laura. You're just been so long ago. B E. Archie happening of my bedroom clear low is dead. Yeah. Who's got the the poise? She sees a million on the break. You. About tweaks before to find I was doing some Bryce lane drills, and I got a girl's back, and she spent out like to face me, and she loves her about there. And she pretty good in the eye with elbow, while speeding, too good face to face with me. And the thing is, we think, two weeks defied, we didn't really know if it was a good idea to speeches so the doctor just lights they like taped together, and it worked for onto the five time but we were pretty short at soon as you got dead. And he was to open again. And when it happened, you know, was kinda with implant, not good to be fighting with the leading out, but she knew it's going to happen. Eventually when you slam rose in the second round, obviously, as a viewer it was a little bit scary at first because we've never seen in like that, like the fighter land directly on, on their head. You are very happy. See you just won the belt you realized she was out. But was there any part of you? That was worried about her wellbeing. Cuyo mom office. This same do other the model. The sponge. Making all that city. Oh, boy out, Joel has all the mice Cabeza persona vein. Dweller. Be shown to who. Pay more. Forget, and they might not the city Q ill will win gear the kiosk. Oh, same. Pas alone was most heels. Intrical open. Those has moved Mayes watch put Al once you loud, Suda far staff. Keo been. The momentum again, the site one Lauck mass opposed, you'll pay more into chimeras going to day at gadoe, awesome myemma. Plus, people said, I bang I won't say one boy eh boneless cuts passed it. I didn't walk in the valley. EMC's Brooke demise post-soviet mission on Sunday for the the bang which. Modem. Naji. Meister. You know, right after I did, like I was telling getting 'cause Koi got knocked out, but it took a little while for her to get back up, and then where he started a man and I was worried maybe I did something I shouldn't have done, but we saw the video, it looked okay? But still not a very good week fall. And we remember but rose had neck problems prior to five, but after she got up in a team like everything was okay. So, you know where we'll to you know people a little bit better. Bala just happened. It could have gone bad. So there's a debate as far as you know, who you should fight next should it be the winner of the tennis Juarez, Nina answer off fight should be Michelle Waterson. Should it be a rematch against rose if she wants to fight again, if it was up to you? Who would you fight next? L Anamar much Qassam getting educating said. Yep. Prelacy city. Oh, my much Eliza show. What of alum event must have ranks both on these that genocide squad, you know, set off. Incubus Chak Sadia my medicine. Una illegal study. I'm winter Judy. They have since dot com. It's not a main challenge key, to most don't Bain competi-, AMI dodgy, thank pass like they excess into no ill ill. I could use the PC Alec is, as mentioned advice, you Bradley that has the a hitter, who originates like elephants, premie Mayes, Giusto keys, Xiang Kazan way. Von. She thought bayside they want their side of the journey Anina all what MS move. See. Shannon Watters present them, bang in don't ski a coma does lose elite. I mean studying. You know, the person that I would really like to fight again, would definitely be rose because she was should did a very nice act of kindness to meet by going to Rio defend our bell. She had no obligation to the debt and if she ever wants to, to fight again for the belt in. I know she's getting some stuff out. But if she wants to do it, I'll be happy to go to them for an end that URL. I'm the same way that she did it to me. And if rose doesn't want to do it, then probably the winner of, of Nina and Jonah would be the most most worthy of the next five, but with India see, you never know. So I'm just training and getting ready because I know that there's a lot of the girls. Very simply how soon do you want to return? Fun to tie spit on the Muslim. One was again. Ilia statutes acid foresee in sip. Dan brutal. Oh, we'll do. Instead, you want to open a that it Oakland staff into contain present zeal, e. Stemple. Why they want the phys syndrome bang mines become better. Bloodshed. They will call them. Get his own that seat of is which channel quality. Nice house. Kitted co-signed. A window. This year Manziel ill. Other said, Dan Lewis says that. For me September October would be ideal because they don't have a little bit of rash. Do all the ability that I have do Brasil champion and getting the proper camp. So September talk over would be ideal for the heavy mind. I have no idea. But that's what it worked better for. I really. But what has been the best part of being champion, like, was there a moment with your family with your wife with your team, any particular moment that you had as a result of becoming champion in the early aftermath of this amazing moment in your life? That you'll never forget is there anything that really sticks out. Quiz, ever say quantum PM by sub? What Michael Moore? Woman's age, or with about if I'm meager Chini, the Mon. The Mon does moments I gotta mementos wanted fittings. You do the than especially, is it, what they as a Mike mass found. Found in America as a. With Osama formula who does the militia fall three young. E S O moments given kindness kissy tonight. He'll will as visit one sec set soil, e elegant demise. They shared Adlon. Let me the year Olsen win, either memeber side. He will get in place. Mid moments figure jab in. No, they're quite a few things like just being able to bring my, my coaches another to stay with us for weeks flan and being out in streets. People recognizing me it's pretty weird already talking to me and strange. But I think the biggest thing was just taken about Jim before they have to fight. I went to the gym and for everybody on my training partners to, you know, they, they all have a little pardon. So it was very, very good for me just there and let them experience it a little bit in that night was was a tough night for Brazilian MMA with little Naw, getting knocked out and Anderson Silva shows, although it was not looking very good. And then you come out and you win the belt. Did you feel any pressure because it seemed like the crowd was starting to get quite did you feel pressure to try to end the night on a high note for for your country? On which, which racially. As long as mice inch billions. He will say, you know, catch me spots on there. You. But I saw on my s-. Say shirts. They've been solve on rich. This liking the momentum, the Zeo ill, not agitating Savak resulting, some, if I'm not don't goes coaching fuzzy dancer, the problem if we bake them on responded, villa Chambal chant with him to yet, usually Norsar. If we are moon ical breasts data to catch giving sale. He I over listen pusher attribute to kill coast film, delegate for this for the lose, but as he seemed to only give you can doing unto Giusto Nate champion champion g the key that Nahmias was dodged domino. La the entry even said it will simply you that much focused. He said he, he knows that been busily mice not on this. You know, to be honest when I was in the locker room was so worried about what I had to doing there that I wasn't reaping what else happening. So it only really dawn on me after defied that everybody else had loss, Priok me. So it wasn't any pressure. But it was a nice Dutch to at least end the night with not just the win but the bell. So finally to bring about Brazil. No, it's only that is resident in Brazil, and so I thank know. So at least it ended up on a good and finally, you mentioned that you wanna fight that was your first title fight, and since then you have not lost one four in a row. She is not on a winning streak and it doesn't seem like in the title picture right now. But is that something that you would like would you like to get that one back and fight her as champion? Summation awhile. Prenatal. Yeah, don't touch hummus equate. Someone to whom is the hottest guitar alone. Panama secrets in Romanian, your game assurance through those into my Zelma will sit in today's think of as default. You too key as income oil cheeky. Thanks say the raise load consecutive as reputations thousand average casual Bank. Mayors may miss little fantasy do copy go to eat. Go to jail while up in a goes as Gail woman, the Beaupre, the main Don, Trajan Calapan, key Hickam is up to, you know. As shown as you go through million Mayes authority, committed asking is his boss don't really have on March. One central placebo seeing mice, George raise looters I e e elevated samba seeing it is a thousand youth. The. As much as I would like to have the rematch. I don't think it would be fair at this moment, because she is one and two at Troy since we last fought. And there are so many girls putting so much work and getting up the ranks that I don't think it would be fair for her to just bypass everybody. But you know how the is eventually it's going to happen. So I just hope that, you know, the girls that have been working on the division, and then climbing up the ranks get a chance and before she does. But when it happened, because I know it will be happy to fight her. Great stuff, just thank you. Thank you so much for doing this. I know you're very busy over there. And thank you for setting this up. I really appreciate it. Congratulations. On the win. Enjoy the built enjoy the victory and we'll talk to you soon. Great to have you on the show. We gotta protect, you know program. Radio. Mike. Mercedes E design hit a positive layers. My step is one about competing of the skis. Thanks for having me, you know, I'm working a lot on trying to be the best champion that again, English classes are, are, are the sole I'm working on that still not enough to, to carry a proper conversation. But I'm working on it and hopefully to champion by the time it can speak English deal. Yes. Next interview we'll do it in English. I look forward to that. Thank you so much guys have a great night. Just drudge straw champion, new straw, champion, TI Comoro one of the best managers in the game. Really appreciate them doing that. And that is a very important thing. You gotta learning as she gotta speaking, it has helped the likes of Habib in General Santos, Michelle fajita, as well. 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The Problem With Mineral Supplements, Why Minerals Don't Get Absorbed, Why You Probably Have A Mineral Deficiency & What To Do About It.

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:13:21 hr | 4 months ago

The Problem With Mineral Supplements, Why Minerals Don't Get Absorbed, Why You Probably Have A Mineral Deficiency & What To Do About It.

"On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast college educated I'm in a first world country accounting the other people have this problem. It's a grueling thing to do to your body and then to not, and it's fine as long as you know how to replenish but short term and we have to be able to fix this audio level for ourselves based on arrogant visual urgent armaments. Why is it that we wouldn't be able to consume the minerals would set aside and just get what we need from nature. Held Performance Nutrition Longevity? ANCESTRAL, living biohacking. And much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. Hey what's up got cool podcast for you. Today on all things minerals with my friend Barton Scott. Now after we recorded this episode, I should tell you he sent through a pretty cool review of my own hair mineral analysis that I did after we recorded this episode because I got so interested in I was like what the Hell I want to do a hair mineral analysis Suit my values are like. So he was kind enough to go ahead and run a mineral analysis on me, and he went through the the results of that in the audio that's appended at the end of this interview hair mineral toxin analysis. It's fascinating. One of the things that you should know is that today's podcast is brought to you by a pretty cool new little immune product that we've been working on over at my company Kion really cool product. It's a, it's a blend of. 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Not just minerals but mineral particles and Nanno minerals and mineral absorption and the the guy have on today talk about minerals. I was actually with him a few months ago we were at a conference was that conference Barton. That would that we were at we're we're out in California as. The metabolic. Health summit has right the metabolic health summit. Yeah. which which I guess was fitting for you could because that's tends to be very focused on ten at least I feel like it does keough low carb low carb pizza low carb pop tarts frigging Arith-. Tall and xylitol coming out. People's Wasi us on the elevator, and of course, a big part of Kito and low carb is people say that you know mineral deficiencies are one of the reasons people kind of get that fluish type of feeling and so So you kind of fit in there. But when I had a chance to chat with you both there and we've we've talked back and forth the email and a few. Other conferences to I've been pretty impressed with your knowledge on minerals, your background is year a chemical engineer and a nutritionist But now you've you've kind of started to to get into this idea of mineral absorption mineral bioavailability, and you gave me a few bottles of these things called nanno minerals, very, very small minerals at least. That's that's my layman's definition of Thornton Ano- teeny tiny minerals and Very, very well absorbed from what I understand and and I know you've also studied up quite a bit on testing for minerals and and how you could know if if you're actually adamant mineral deficiency and even have gotten into some of the things regarding mineral ratios because anything from copper zinc magnesium, and beyond apparently the the actual ratios of those are important as well. So I'm pretty stoked to talk to you get into this stuff because I haven't really taken a deep deep dive in minerals on the show before unless you count the show's done on how to season your food with amazing salt so anyways, the show notes for those you listening in for everything Barton and I talked about Martin's last name is Scott. By the way Bart Scott is companies upgraded formulas. Everything we talk about you can find Ben. GREENFIELD FITNESS DOT com slash minerals, podcast Ben, green dot com slash minerals podcasts. So Barton welcome to the show man. Thank you. Yes. Pleasure to be on the. I'm happy to share some of some of the knowledge that I've I've found that I find to be. So incredibly important for our health vitality on jeopardy brain function all of these things. Cool. Well, I guess what I'm curious about is how you Kinda went from from chemical engineering to nutrition, and then minerals like what sparked your interest in this sure. Certainly I mean it was. Largely emotional factors. I'd started wrestling as a young young kid My father was a wrestling coach among other things just really depleted myself. Just he can certainly relate with all the iron man's and things you've done but just they in day out sweating way more than you're you're putting in. Played football to play quarterback late. Couple, different sports wrestling just so ruling from sweating and he has more. Male to Ironman too I mean I'm going to interrupt your your inter early on, but I can tell you a couple of things for me when I was racing iron Ma'am A, we had the a physiologist, Allen Limb who's who's involved a few different, pretty good nutrition companies and he came in he would test on my team raced for team Timex and he did a sweat sodium analysis on all the athletes and I lose like nearly twice the amount of sodium at least I don't know about the other minerals. This was only for sodium twice the amount of the average white male in terms of my sweat sodium loss. which was pretty interesting for me because when I would race Ironman, I would lay in bed at night unable to fall asleep because I hear my pulse pounding in years and then when I finally got that test done, it was a little bit of light bulb moment for me because I thought. Okay I'm just GONNA I'm replenish like crazy because to that point I hadn't really familiarized myself with the whole myth behind salt really not being bad for you. And so I got my hands really good salts turned into kind of an assault AFICIONADO and began to use probably upwards of six seven grams of salt per day and it like it took two days for that pulsing ears to go away and for me to actually be able to fall asleep at night without here in my my beat of my heart in my ears so that for me was probably nine years ago and ever since then I've I've. been. Pretty steeped in just you know salting heavily a lot of my food or at least using that as an excuse to to buy copious amounts of really good Salt Lake Florida Sell Aztec salt and cone and black. Salton. So I I'm I'm just pretty much addicted to salt now but anyway so so same thing for me I was in a sport than bolt heavy sweating and furthermore not only did my sport involve heavy sweating turned out I actually. Lose more sodium in my sweat than the average person does so So I've I've I've been interested in this stuff for awhile absolutely the thing we find you with taking a lot salt and I was in the same place about ten years or so ago, this part of the problem I wasn't whole the whole problem when you start to really take in large amounts of salt and I felt in assault was bad. Then two that was part of it. And In addition to just years and years of extreme output. Really. when you combine all of those things, you get this nasty chemical equation in the body at a cellular level and the cells just don't make as much energy. So you go wait a minute. My memory isn't really working the way it used to like things it that really Y- pause now. When you say that I'm I'm fine with you geeking out a little bit on that. What do you mean? You're not able to make energy like can you get into the science behind that certainly so You need museum to make ATP you need a few other things as well. oxygen being one but. When you start to this is on both sides in this is why testing. So important when you take him a lot of salt you know this is this is if you're not doing the level of Egyptian we're talking about if you're sitting at a desk in just pounding saw your body pretty much tells you when you fat too much salt if you're eating clean diet I find. That's a different topic. To make energy to to our bodies, our electrical forces, and you just you have to have electrolytes as in electricity electricity, and we really have to understand what your current levels are. You know genetics are great. But that tells you the story of what should be when we're looking at one of our hair analyses that are. Done. The proper way and it's really essential to understanding the overall picture of your health I. Mean you get thyroid ratios will get into some of that later to. Get adrenal, you get tablets and there's a lot of interesting stuff there from me personally the way. The reason I go all the way back to that is because what really started to answer question was me began to lose my memory, my short term memory and I was in my early twenties and my memory had up until that point like ultra school had been kind of really razor sharp and I. I didn't take it for granted but I was because it was very sharp I really noticed the degradation of it and that soon thereafter, I was born older parents older parents and I knew that probably losing one of them at some point would be a real thing that would would happen sooner rather than later. But. You know I lost my mother and around that you know they say trauma is linked with losing memory to your also increasing your mineral from a technical standpoint. You're certainly increasing whenever you're under stress and trauma I. Know You've covered some of these things on the Vikings before it's super super interesting. Your body's requirements go way way up. So you know undoing some of those traumas he talked about plant medicines, things like that in really em are the mini different modalities can be helpful for reducing your just kind of what I call idling temperature or Burn rate, and that's that's super super fascinating right? Because if we can sit at our desk and not be redlining like I, see so many people do when they just found copious amounts of stimulus been a instead of maybe meditating or getting some great exercise or maybe sleep soft for you know they're hurting their they don't have the mental ratios in the right levels, right ratios percentages. So all of this really feeds back into each other I want I want to harp on what you just said about about stress and a specifically electrolyte needs because. If you look at Cortisol inter-plays with L. Dos, drown quite a bit and you know the Austrians a steroid hormone is secreted by your adrenal glands regulate the balance of water and electrolytes in your body, and you know generally, if sodium intake drops too low or you could even argue mineral intake overall that stimulates a hormone system, which is your Renan Andrew Jackson L. Dos drone hormone system, and that Maintains Your Osmond balance and your adequate blood pressure. Why? For example, when I was racing I am I would lay waken I can hear my blood pressure in my ears and that's because when Renan goes up and Goes up that occurs in response to mineral insufficiencies. So you tend to get the these really pronounced blood pressure, this regulation type of issues and the interesting thing. Is that in many cases that can be associated with paradoxically and an increase in blood pressure meaning that decrease electrolyte mineral intake can cause your blood pressure to go up due to those Renan of Austrian mechanisms not down wit, which is ridiculous. You know there's all there's a really great book about this by the way Dr James Nicol Antonio, or decline Tony was named he he wrote a book called Assault Fix Link to that in the show notes over at Ben Greenfield Venice. Dot Com slash minerals podcast but it is. It's super interesting the the interplay between that Renan L. DOS system and cortisol, and then of course, as you noted, you know a big part of this is James tennant talks about or Jerry tenants is his name. He talks about this in his book the Body Electric. You know this idea that our. Entire Body really operates on these electrical gradients and sodium is the extra cellular cabin. In that, you'll find in blood you find lymph fluid. AM The maintenance of extra cellular fluid volume is pretty much up to sodium and and I'm not necessarily arguing that you need copious amounts of isolated sodium from say like table salt or sodium chloride but a full spectrum of minerals is going to to maintain those proper electro chemical gradients and then it's also going to allow you. Ensure that you're not getting that huge increase in Renan and el-daw thrown that's going to cause the blood pressure dysregulation so I mean those. Are the two most important physiological mechanisms underlying a lot of this stuff. I think those are those are great points in you explain that really really well, the one thing that we do want to be careful with because it varies with activity right is is sodium and magnesium. Now, those play together as well as sodium and potassium. SODIUM AS SODIUM GOES UP ARMENIAN EASY will tend to go down. It's poor that ask dance that she talked about. So that's that's just something to be aware of for people out there. So it's like well, if you're getting cramps in Cranston come in the form of low sodium, low potassium newseum to to go back to where we were before the this as this is happening my memories really slipping I am thinking I can be at peace with with losing someone close to name as part of life, but it's still it was from genetic diseases and now at something that I'm very aware of the signs and symptoms and. What you can do to to reverse many of these things. Because it it really all of it comes down to where elemental let's figure out what elements are out of bats, and let's fix it. So you know longevity became a focus of this. So I started to think about what what, what influences longevity what influences memory you get really quickly to not vitamins minerals and it's kind of like saying fruits and vegetables they are quite different. Than before to is just it's just common vernacular, right? So we we should separate those out because. Without minerals vitamins are useless. You have to have them activated. Now you said without minerals vitamins are useless. Are you meaning because multivitamin companies will key late their vitamins minerals to allow for adequate absorption or you referring to something else just did you have the enzymatic sorted process that's minerals activate I mean magnesium alone activates used to think around three hundred now somewhere around eight hundred different pathways in the body I got. Got Us. Oh, so you're referring to then would be A. Deficiency limiting the enzymatic activity that's necessary for proper absorption of vitamins and nutrients. The other thing to think about when it comes to absorption is that you know a lot of people don't realize when you think about hydrochloric acid right people are familiar with with that as being vital to the digestion of food particularly protein well, hydrochloric acid that you know the clerk at the chloride ions provided by salt right and the in. So if you don't have adequate minerals, you're not actually producing. Enough HCL therefore, you're not going to be able to do things like digest protein, simulate amino acids. So I mean I I would argue it's not just a magnesium it. It can even be the sodium chloride that you'd find in in salt as a hundred percent. True. You know people talk about when we look at their levels will say an low in phosphorus and what's high in phosphorus cycle well, many grass-fed meat. Eating those sale that's time phosphorus but will you absorb it if you have little stomach gas? No, you know I mean you you'll struggle for. Sure. So chlorides is essential as well. So where we go from there is you know I. This lens you know it's been about twenty years now for me using supplements for performance. I'm thinking. So at that point and like all right, I already know the right brand I do a hair analysis. Then a couple of different labs do gosh about ten grand and testing in a year, and then which seemed like a lot for me at the time on yourself, you're doing all these tests when you're having these issues. Yeah. I just couldn't figure out what was what was causing problem wasn't you know fit? Was Pretty. You know pretty ripped really had no real energy mentally and absa this is this is not a way to live in an sitting at that place going like at a point of A. Finished College educated Amena First World Country. Other people have this problem and maybe I just got here sooner because I pushed just like you have all these and so many races. It's just it's a grueling thing to do to body and then to not in it's fine as long as we know how to replenish but. Not replenishing images the eventual recipe. For Disaster So. Ill. I finally do a hair analysis and I look at. This point already note great brands I'm taking great brands and taking the. Copious amounts if not at least the the RDA. And I'm sitting there looking at results. And and granted should always look that results when with someone that's trained in reviewing them but I'm looking at ongoing how's it possible than chronically deficient in magnesium and I'm taking six hundred milligrams of magnesium like six days a week houses possible. And I have for a year and a half point. So I start to get pretty angry at this and I, yeah, it's not like solution right away or anything but. Yeah, it just begins this research cycle and then I started to think at some point several years later three in the morning I go oh I got it absorption, which is really the main thing trained in in chemical engineering. Basically guess your minors in Chemistry Math and a lot of physics, and then you do this focus, which is a lot of thermodynamics a lot of absorption because that's what you're going to do an if you stay in that field. So I started to think about it from this lens of absorption that I have having already understood that I'm not absorbing and I'm taking the right brand. New Meaning to all this museum you're taking your your hypothesis then was taking it, but it's not being absorbed exactly, and there were several others Abba. That was that was the main one that was like for my research fix that store lead domino a lot of things we improve and get better. See I start to think Oh, well, this is a process problem like we need to improve absorption from a process and which is something we we go to school for. and. By the way I want to interrupt you real quick. Were you were you concerned about the form of the minerals that you were taking or? Be, because I I think a lot of people don't think about this. You know. First of all minerals that you get from animal products or more readily absorbed than minerals you get from plants, and that's because compounds found in plant foods interfere mineral absorption like fi tate's finding whole grains a lot of plant foods. Those can bind calcium and iron and zinc and interfere with absorption of oxalate. You're finding in Spinach and almonds and beats and things like that. Those can also bind to and hit mineral absorption and then contaminants. You know this is such as in teas and coffees. So how come you you? You didn't think okay. Well, ma'am, drink too much coffee or you know she'd eat fewer plants or did that come across your radar as well? You know I wasn't nearly as knowledgeable. Then as I am now in all of these different subjects certainly but I did know that the viability from plants was was lower. I probably also had low stomach acid to hydrogen. So many people have some level of this answer even if I would've been. And this, and we're talking ten years ago. So even if I then immediately started to do this, the problem is my deficiencies were. So in this case, for a lot of people, deficiencies were so severe that Diet along. It would've never truly reversed deficiency and I know that's a big statement. But when you think about it, I mean your body can only assimilate at. Yeah. There's just so many factors that go into it and I just I just know to be true people eating what I consider to be an ideal diet for them. They've done so much experimentation and they still have problems and. It just it mainly, it comes down to thyroid adrenal these these glands produce ninety percent of the energy in the body. Do they have what they need to produce unique? It's not that simple, but that's a big part of if we ignore it like it Kinda doesn't matter if you're taking I love Ira Vega I know, I'll go ripley even to that world at some point. Fairly deep into it but. Taking Oshawa Gonda is great but these things move the needle in ten percent. If you have severe deficiencies good luck and I've been there like I. It, it's not to say, don't do those. It's say. Layer on those. Yeah. Yeah and then the other question I have for you is you know in addition to, of course, consideration the bioavailability of the minerals a you're consuming, which I know you're going to get into You know I had mentioned that certain high intake of plants with fi tate's oscillates as well as a high intake of ten in rich foods like coffees teas may impair absorption of some minerals but did you also consider because the small intestine you know the ended? The. That's pretty much where most mineral absorption occurs. You know like iron calcium, magnesium zinc, all those are absorbed almost immediately after they've left your stomach in about the first eight feet of the small intestine. Did you consider it all? Do I have some type of intestinal inflammation, some type of of bacterial overgrowth or something that is affecting my my my gut health to the extent to where I might not be absorbed. Minerals properly because I I think that intestinal inflammation or small intestine, bacterial overgrowth or some issues like that can also be a major player in in in low mineral ability what I would say for anyone zoom out just me for anyone listening you know most Americans do not have a functional digestive track I'm sorry you know I'm sure that's pretty commonly known to a lot of people listen to the show. Certainly above average but. Having loose junctions in digestive in the digestive tract in general is is just terrible whether or not you're eating gluten than you've cut out talk six triggers stress in general will also cause these loose junctions to happen. So I realized that we really have to engineer the products through a process standpoint such that the minerals are able to be digested without the help of the digestive track like that would be a bonus. But that was that was what needed to happen and I realized like, okay. We'll that societies that's going to be a size problem because we have normal ca Lloyd colloidal minerals that are five times of a normal cell. So that's that mass ever GonNa work. The only way that does work is you go through as you just described the digestive practice, our digestive process. So this is this is where I start to think we'll aright societies matters something called electron driving force really matters and between these two things we start to think bull. Okay. Now, just matter figuring out how to do it. Hey, I want to interrupt today show to tell you about my friends, the bees. So a lot of people know about honey bees also make things like propolis royal, Jelly and Bee Pollen, and I never knew that until a few years ago when I got my Hands on this stuff called bee pollen, and I started a sprinkler on my smoothies and my salads and my yogurts, and it's chock full of protein be vitamins, minerals, free formed amino acids. 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What what what exactly is it about minerals that either of those are in issue when it comes to mineral absorption With Electron driving. Force. You want the body to be able to absorb say magnesium two plus charge into the might convert Mighty country about five hundred meters on the smaller side. That's what you're shooting for. To get it in the cell, you have to have a driving force for for all things to happen right and I know you know this yet pre one listening. It's thinking what, what, what do you mean cycle adore doesn't close on its own you have to exert energy. So how could you get mineral particles into a cell or yet after have them in an active form? So For example calcium carbonate one calcium atom three carbon atoms they're bound really tightly together, and because of this tight bond, they're practically useless to the body molecular bonds the body recognizes and it can break the. Break. Those apart when we eat plants and we do get those those minerals from them although they have all the different interference mechanisms that. CAUSE PLANTS TO NAP getting when they're in the forest and. We still can we do absorb what do the aspects of them that we absorbs? Well, just about getting acid skates sir, speak so that and then size right. So if you were to just drop a normal colonial mineral like calcium carbonate into your bloodstream into like injected into your veins. Not much has happened not anything good. At least that size you know the ridler let's certain sizes. Smaller than these mineral particles. Okay. Now, own interrupt you real quick because if eating plant or I'm. Consuming maybe some some meat that has minerals in it. Are you saying that the size of the minerals read naturally find in nature are not being absorbed in? You know if that is the case wouldn't that suggest nature is broken I mean, it seems to me like there might be a little bit of a disconnect here. If if there are minerals in nature, shouldn't shouldn't we be able to absorb? Exactly. Yes. So we do. We do absolutely nature already does this process naturally you're one hundred percent right? litmus test for it plans have the strength ability to ion is minerals themselves. Now just radio ionic minerals or not as a good starting place it's not. Good enough but you know they, they do that through a process of synthesis. Now I, mean plants can crush through and crap concrete's. Ezzor Germany right. So this is strong and how they get strung while they use the electronic come from for minerals. But they're able to do that internally like we're we're not really able to do that. So we know that's not even what I'm saying what I'm saying can't we just eat plants and get the minerals from those plants I mean for thousands of years obviously, humans have probably not been able to somehow make mineral smaller but but wh, why is it that we wouldn't just be able to consume the minerals that we'd find in nature in animal or? Plant food you know the the you know mineral inhibition mechanisms of some plants set aside and just get what we need from nature. Yeah. So the this comes down to a World Health Organization the ninety said soil was something like eighty percent depleted in most places world. But just in general, you can forget that stat and just know that you know state today has about half the iron that you still is the topsoil is something like three inches. When it used to be eighteen inches on average again, just rough numbers. So the soil just like a mother can't give her trial iodine, she doesn't have which is greatly impairs the child's Q. Soil can give to the plants and plants can't give to animals what they don't have. This is essential. Do we have to fix that long-term and is that something really thinking about? But short term like over the next twenty years, we have to be able to fix this cellular level for ourselves based on arrogant visual energy requirement. Okay. So so you're what you're saying is that there are minerals of the proper size for absorption in soil implants and I I would assume then in animals but because of poor soil regenerate practices in many locations in the world. The it's not the size of the mineral. It's the volume of the properly sized minerals that were now no longer being able to take in. Yeah. That's a that's a huge part of it My whatever lies is that we really need to optimize size of particles too because you know the the plants can I N is it and themselves. In can make it usable and small but. They also can stabilize it interestingly it's both thing. It's a yeah. So what what do you mean? It's both thing it's not enough minerals but then what's the other thing? It's not enough and it's not directly that and that's what I'm taking issue with you on when when you say it's not sized correctly. You're somehow implying that the planet that we live on is not producing minerals that we can actually absorb. We can through our digestive system absent. Okay. Absolutely so that that seems to then be in stark contrast you saying it's not size properly it's just inefficient. Okay. It needs to be more efficient because so many of us don't have that I'm sure you have an ideal digestive system most people don't. So what you're saying is what you would like to propose is that the minerals although they're not in high quantity in. Many plants and animals we'd like them to be based on poor farming practices. They could or should be let's just use the word bio hacked to allow us to because we're living in a post industrial era where we've got broken guts, we've got poor mineral absorption. We have high amounts of stress. Many of us are sweating excessively, etc. what you're saying is that your argument Is Why not figure out a way to make minerals better absorbed? Yes. Okay. All right. So that that makes sense absolutely because it goes back to that example of me in so many other people, I mean. So many analysis over the past couple years it's really evident that a lot of people there they're low in particular mineral Wait a minute I'm taking zinc I'm. Taking promptly Omar I'm taking task him. This is part of it part of maybe exertion part of it is severe deficiencies part of it is absorption. So how do we stat at the cards in our favor such such that we can produce all the energy of thyroid adrenal need to produce okay. Got It. Now, you've brought up hair analysis quite a bit. Is there validity to? Hair analysis for testing for minerals, and if so how does it work? How do you take a clump of hair because actually had this done gone into my my hair salon have gotten a haircut at brought in a white envelope with me and told them, Hey, could you save a little bit of this I'm getting get hair mineral analysis I sent off and I get everything from you know zinc copper, magnesium, different ratios, etc. but how does that work for people in need to wrap their head or their hair in this case around out, you can actually learn mineral levels from clump of hair that indicates what's going on the rest of your body. How's that actually work? As a great great question I. If if if you let me I'll I'll tell you that we know that the hair analysis is accurate because I can tell by looking at your analysis beheaded in front of me. We had never met at nothing about your lifestyle that you would have certain. Disorders like say, let's say sleep disorder for example, the EPA also uses it I. I really focus on it mainly for mineral standpoint not so not as much. The heavy metal side. That's a whole nother topic that we can definitely get into if you like, but the EPA will use it to determine heavy metal levels for people that have been in quote unquote exposed areas for toxicity does it show if it's recent certainly yet again, this is. Use Them, for minerals much more. So than heavy metals, if you have heavy metal exposure there certain minerals that. Can you can pinpoint and load up on that that will help you start to remove these models from your body and also body that has very few mineral deficiencies collects much less heavy metals. It's almost like the movie three hundred with shields up it causes add electric that Lecter said force across the membrane and the just less permeable. So cadmium conspiring just doesn't stick mccracken's by just doesn't stick as well. Okay. So so they've they've actually looked into like reliability and validity of laboratory data for hair mineral analysis and found that it agrees with what you would find in for example, the blood yes. Blood is a snapshot. You do a lot of blood work and I'm a fan blow to because frankly there we haven't developed the testing yet to test for every single biomarker as we can, and it's it's great in many cases for different reasons. No, no. Denying that at all. Is it a snapshot? Is An influence on what you ate yesterday or within seventy two hours absolutely like your testosterone everyone listening if you're if you go out drinking. Have Heavy drinking on Friday, you go in Monday and get a blood test your testosterone will be. Pretty affected by that and that was several days before. Yeah So what I want when I'm making decision on anything really is as much as much of a trend as possible instead of data points. So again, you know I'm a fan of it, but you know many blood tests like thyroid based on a sick population and there's a really really wide Brennan. Once you get into diagnosing things like thyroid really well, you know you sort of tighten that range and you know people more in the note, tighten the range more and more. But space on population begin with the these. Numbers were based on two hundred. Thousand analysis season that of started with a group of healthy athletes in the prime and the latest retaliate calorie that that's been approved improved improved for long time. Okay. So does it matter at all? Like the rate at which your your hair grows does it matter? How recently you've cut it doesn't matter if there's things like shampoos or conditioners in there I mean other considerations when you're using a hair mineral analysis to look for for what's going on as far as ratios of things like you know zinc for magnesium or copper, and then secondarily what minerals can you actually see in the hair the big picture here's what I'm trying to help people understand how hair mineral analysis actually works. We can just dig into the science of that. Yes. Certainly, yeah. We test four fifteen different minerals tests for eight different heavy metals looking at some additional elements, significant ratios, and so things like. Calcium for these on their own or more important as an individual levels is far as things that interfere with testing dies do. And what you get there will sometimes you could. Really you just get false positives for things like. Like ten. Yeah. So if someone is dying their hair blond, then they're going to get. A ten. Level that is much higher than what is in their actual tissues and hair is living tissue just like you know just like tissue in your arm. So it's a closer approximation than what we see typically in blood blood is what's circulating through as if you do a test from that in you pull heavy metals are minerals you get what circulating but not necessarily, what's what's there and the one of the things I say there is is when you have. For example, a your blood Ph women it's greatly out of whack. You'll. You'll pull out from bone marrow calcium magnesium. Etc To titrate the blood because if your blood ph changes I mean just a little bit you're dead. So is the is the blood, the best-placed check for certain things minerals now, I I don't believe that to be the case just everything I've seen seems to back that up. Is it maybe better than testing nothing? Yeah I think. So you can do for example, Museum Arby's see tests that's just going test one mineral. In fifteen. In total, there's about sixty different markers. We we look at in in a hair analysis. and. It's really. Frankish, really cost effective to hair holds up to you know when you're shipping your. Just, a lot better than blood to I mean, you see blood on on the sidewalk and you see heroin sidewalk fast forward a month the Harris will be there. As far as growth rates on that, that is something to think of the ranges between six, eight, six, six, eight weeks every six weeks someone could do a hair analysis if they chose to. I knew them every two to three months is is where I typically call end just because well, I've forgotten. Yeah. Got Busy with other things but. At least four hundred. Okay I'm I'm somewhat skeptical still on hair mineral analysis. When I talk to Dr, Andrew Weil his concern was normal ranges of minerals and Harrer had been defined and there was a good correlation between levels and the hair and indicators of nutritional status, and then you know I I know that the the journey American Medical Association seem to you know and this this is a. It occur a little while ago but they they found a lot of variability between laboratories in terms of results. So so it it really depended. It seemed on the laboratory that was actually doing the hair mineral analysis. So I go back and forth between you know how much I guess how much faith output in that versus like a really good. You know like some kind of a spectrum sal or you know a minerals analysis via the blood that was a little bit more thorough I realize hair is far more convenient and less invasive but. I'm still skeptical on the hairpiece but you know I get some of the arguments that you're making I just. I have yet to be convinced that it is the bee's knees when it comes to testing but. Regardless, you know if you are looking at a hair mineral analysis, let's make the assumption that it's accurate and that the values tend to agree from lab to lab when you're holding a hair mineral analysis report in your hands what exactly what you're looking for are you looking at ratios? Are you looking at deficiencies? I mean how you actually interpreting something like this Real on on normal levels they have been able to establish normal levels with those as something I really respect doctor Wyle but at something that no one can have area of expertise in every area it's not possible. So it's probably just something's not aware of they have been to do that and than what you WanNa. Look at is really your significant rations first and then individual levels, and then if you have heavy metals, you can look at your toxic ratios and see how do I need to take some more. Do you know take more selenium is my iron low zinc that low that part's pretty straightforward the. What's called additional. Ratios. Am I'm sorry significant ratios is is really really the key part that you want to focus on because you're looking at everything from parathyroid thyroid to estrogen anti-aging thyroid dysfunction adrenal expression is it reduced hormone bounds between things like just thrown estrogen has aastroem. In a decay is stress ratio, it's also considered Sorbet adrenal ratio. AAH So, there's a lot of those things if you read just chart at with without someone that is. Really. Well, trained invest they I mean it's not it's not going say any of those things on is just that we know that all of those those significant rations, representatives things. So when when we're getting back to minerals because it because what I really want to do I mean I don't necessarily want to turn this into a giant podcast on her mineral analysis as much as teach people what ratios tend to be an issue and then what you've specifically learned as. A chemical engineer nutritionist about how to replenish those and some some of the common issues especially in the supplement industry with the way that mineral replenishment is approach because that's that's what made me want to get you on the podcast in the first place was more of the actual. You know how to replace these things using an effective size and how is that delivered? So I'd love to get into what exactly it is that people tend to be most deficient in. Why that's an issue, and then how you actually punish these things. Magnesium is number one differently in terms of. You know deficiencies is that really move the Needle Net corrected So yeah, like upper museum, for example, was was the first product that I produced that. I mean it is noticeable feeling for a lot of people they sleep by the very first night. Potassium is really a close second. I would say the results of being actually minerals deficient in magnesium versus potassium not that you can only choose one and only fixed one by means but at it's just it, it has such. Biological impact through. So many different enzymatic functions that magnesium is certainly the the leader there in terms of with you fix it. You feel differently to to really answer your question there, and then I would say third a much less known that we see people are almost never high is manganese as I think the audience RDA has just frankly way too low mega-cities. We also just don't really get it very easily having you can find it and things like almonds for the reasons you you mentioned earlier almonds. Can kind of interfere with with your exortion just themselves. Let's take magnesium. For example, give give me some details. What form of magnesium would you use? How do you actually get it to be a small size because you're saying that the size is usually not small enough to be absorbed from what? I understand across the cell membrane. So get into I mean how how do you actually approach this? Problem from an engineering standpoint we found is we really so we use magnesium chloride alive people you they really like other forms, but they liked those forms really because they've been told US forms absorbed well, those forms absorb about twenty five, twenty to twenty, five percent or less. I mean medium oxides around five percents and for that reason because it doesn't absorb, it's great for clearing the bowels right? They'll get ready for racing, take a bunch of magnesium oxide thinking. Prevent Cramps Sherlock people already know that but. so we use these. So, what we do is we start with. Talk. About what we can talk about but we WANNA get these minerals in their most Illinois state, which is atoms. That's the only state. It can carry that electrical charge weightless negative positive accenture. And the body really takes up these elements. If they do carry electrical charge this, it's you know active and available there. I. Mean really it's. It's a process standpoint and I think people really notice the difference when they when they try ours there's a lot of great companies out there that do amazing job with quality. But quality and sourcing standards at I think is just kind of a base bar this point what what are you guys doing to make it? So small we start with screw question we start with, for example, in case mcneese. EUM. We saw with pure magnesium. It's the end goal is to get it into a plasma SORTA state. So it's it's electrify. Underwater and I mean from that, we're able to precipitate. electrons essentially for magnesium we adding fluoride because as you mentioned, chloride is just essential for Health Willie okay, and then you've got what you would call I think you referred to on your website or on these bottles they give me a Nanno magnesium. Okay and then it was a unit of measure. So that's the reason why we will use that. Don't you. Now I noticed on on your website you have magnesium, potassium, zinc, and iodine. So or those the four that you think are the most important. Yeah. We have a number of those are for that I see. So many people needing we we also those are as a place to start for for most people. Again, you know tests don't guess an annual you'll see I, mean do your own research and You can think of it. As investing in some money as an experiment to see what you need. From a analysis and see how correlated with what the symptoms you should be experiencing. So if our nutritious can tell you that you have these symptoms and you have all eight I would say it's pretty and it's a phone consultation. You've never met sates it's pretty accurate, and therefore it's a good starting place to begin to make these changes but we do have some other products right now we have one that I'm really really happy. With goal peak thyroid. That's really really interesting because it's balance of zinc and copper and many people have imbalanced zinc copper. I've heard that Lockheed can you explain why that is and why be issue? Yes certainly. Certainly. So this is actually a key thing right now to understand with a viral outbreak that we're having zinc and copper is a reflective virus and bacterial predisposition. So if you have low zinc and you have a predisposition. And in some people notice you know have a predisposition for a viral attack right. But here's the thing when people take too much zinc and they over absorbed zinc, they push out copper when they push out copper, set themselves up for a bacterial infection, which, of course, what does that do? Well, that lowers their immune system and then it makes them more susceptible to also getting a virus are. Certainly, just not a place you want be. So. What can you do there? Well, you can. You can test your levels and see where you are. You can also take a copper as well as zinc I recommend testing in that just kind of guessing which one you should take. I don't think that's a great approach. The the other things we see our people taking large amounts of vitamin C.. Which I mean I, myself even did that like seven years ago. There's there's a lot of great research show amazing facts from this and I'm really really highly aware the what I will say though is this absolutely, not opinion this is just physics and chemistry is that whenever you take a large amount of any one mineral or or vitamin, you start to have this domino effect it's like Playing a always playing a multidimensional piano you play one key and they're all connected as they are all able to make sound they would all nick sound in the body that do so you you take if you take a lot of vitamin C., you actually increase your iron absorption. When you increase your iron absorption, your copper lowers and then you get set up for again a bacterial infection. which if you trying to prevent against the virus like we are right now covid, then lowering your copper level really really low through megadose vitamin C, is possible certainly. As, just just how can just alimentary rebounds works okay Gotcha and you find that typically the issue is too much copper in zinc. So `losing copper ratio, you know it's interesting I think more more women tend to have elevated copper level more men tend to have elevated zinc level if there's any sort of court broad correlation I can draw. The the other thing that I can say about this ratio is really really interesting is that copper is related to creativity in zinc is related to philosophy. So it's if you find yourself stuck in. Better thing is I've been been studied. This is yeah it's been site through. Probably Thrive as well I imagine but certainly, through hair analysis, what do you mean? How do they do that? You take like a a mood state scores I'm like that along with your mental analysis our. Own understand that yes children just having different. Mental Disorders I forget what the exactly what they were, but they would notice okay. They have this mental disorder and they have this zinc to copper ratio. They have this copper level individually have this zinc level individually. And then they would improve based on reducing copper intake are reducing zinc intake and some cases also at the same time supplementing and what I find an in many cases if people aren't really absorbing was the minerals are taking or they're just trying, they're just doing kind of scattershot approach. A lot of times it's the reduction of the set calcium that makes them feel a lot less t a lot more energized because then the museum potassium and sodium, balance each. Other. You know everything I've seen everyone I've talked to this far seem seem to indicate that that the most common imbalance would be elevated copper and depressed zinc. So so too much copper not enough zinc and that does have some associated. I've seen some studies with hyperactivity add even depression some behavioral disorders just because of the relationship between. That and neurotransmitters. So I would say if anything the thing you're gonNA. See most common would be a need to decrease some of your exposure to copper and then increase foods that would contain zinc. Now for you guys with the type of minerals that you sell on your website that this upgraded what's it called upgraded formulas do do you guys sell copper or do you primarily just do zinc because of that deficiency is so common to have not enough zinc too much copper. That's a great question we. Probably by the time, this airs are Copper Product is finally revealed take some time really get it done well, and we do have copper and zinc together in peak thyroid, which is, which is great. copper can be a very a foul tasting product. So I I would say take it with food. If you're taking peaks I, Roy take it with food just because. Yet. It it can be difficult in general taste. Wise. But usually when you find something to be really for example, if you take magnesium minute, you take some of our having museum and liquid form we have capsule student. If you take liquid, you notice a severe taste issue you deficiency. Yeah. Zinc really important for fertility and testosterone to actually recently did a blood test and even my testosterone was the nine hundred zinc was actually surprisingly low which concerned me. I should actually have you send me up some some zincs I can check out your product I just started putting this. Black ant extract into my into my smoothies in the morning I put a big tablespoon that stuff just because it's it's incredibly high and zinc, but I'd be interested to try some of these some of these nanno minerals that have zinc in them and I know we're we're starting to get a little short on time but as far as as the way that people would use the type of minerals that you make these Nanno minerals how do you even use them? Are they are they liquids or they capsules sprinkled on food or how does it work the great push in? Our Diet. For example, we have dropper. It's best to put that directly in the mouth. Without water because allow water has chlorine in. Opined with it is it protect protective mineral? Well, if you're if you're waters filtered you probably okay though yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're fine and I mean mine is yours is a lot of people's isn't but normally across the board just take it as you wouldn't other supplements again, not medical advice. Let's let's talk on a one to one basis with Tristesse are nutritional informed doctor but I need to disclaimer but just just in general I would I would say that's important. Are most common product right now we've gone ahead and dehydrated that putting capsule form separated easy. Okay. But the rest are. All of them are this tiny tiny nanno formula which basically the the entire proposal here in the idea behind your company is that the Nanno minerals are bioavailable and absorbed to a much much greater extent than the normal type of mineral that you'd find supplements. Yes. Exactly. Gotcha are there other companies doing this patented? This process is this like a trade secret or what why aren't more people doing this I? Kind. Of blows my mind I'm not sure really I. Yeah. With us it's You know on our on our way to being patented It's right now it's just a it's a signed contract with the manufacturer that we've. been able to work with and develop a really really unique sort of contract and the. had a lot of requirements changes and it took years to to even find someone that's that we could work with but. I would say for anyone that's listening just just give some of these a shot and see it for yourself. It's great to understand things out Likley, but it's it's not going to help after a certain point. As I think, you've done a great job with with a bunch of awesome questions that most people would have. Before starting resume and they as they should also releasing thousands would we results for people well, I. Mean a link to your stuff in the show notes in case people want to try out I suppose a pre and post hair mineral analysis would be one thing and do you guys do the hair mineral analysis to is something you offer yes? Yes. Yes. Open consultation to you I feel like that's that's a really important each week as. For the reasons we just talked about there's there's a lot of amazing data in analysis that will be missed if it's if it's done by someone that isn't really well trained I'm personally generally pretty careful with getting my my test analysis done by the same company that's selling me the supplements because I always have that. That Fox guarding the Hen House type of. Type of nervousness or at least I'll sometimes get a comparison task just to make sure. In so I don't know. There's there are plenty of places like direct labs that won't get her mental analysis as well. But I know you guys offer those and then you've got all these different formulas. You got your your magnesium zinc copper, you of the thyroid formula so You know what I what I may have to do is do do some testing and I know you're GonNa, you're GonNa send me up some stuff to try and I do a little propose testing to myself and if anyone else does. Friend, who has questions or comments or feedback for Barton? About this stuff what I'm GonNa do is all a link to his website. He gives us a fifteen percent discount to it's been fifteen. If you go to Ben Greenfield finished dot com slash upgraded formulas, but I'll also link that podcast. You can go ask your questions and pipe in with some your questions for Barton at Ben Growth Dot, com slash minerals podcasts because I I did find it a very interesting this concept of hacking mineral. So to speak to get them very very small for maximum absorption because whether it is a blood test or a hair test I do tend to see. Especially, the zinc copper ratios and a lot of people I've seen test from as as well as magnesium. And Potassium is another to be big issues and so you know, and again like the light bulb moment for me was just my start to sleep better and had better blood pressure in response to my own kind of full spectrum mineral supplementation, particularly with really good salts, and now with with a variety of mineral. So it's very interesting and Again, the URL for the show notes is Ben Greenfield's dot com slash minerals podcast Barton I. Want to thank you for coming on the show today share on this stuff with us. Thank. You I mean, it's been a pleasure and. I just feel like in the last years this really the most important discoveries that I've been able to make such share that with people who man cool. All right. Well, folks thanks to listen in. Again, go to Ben greeted finished dot com slash minerals podcast for the show notes and the go. Check Checkout Barton's website upgraded formulas, and until next on I'm Ben Greenfield along with Barton Scott signing out from Ben Greenfield fitness dot com have an amazing week. Hey Ben Barton I'm looking over your results right now and what I'm seeing is your. first thing I'd like to start with zero calcium to phosphorus ratio. So it's good. It can be improved. you have some excess calcium. In your body, a lot of people do. and. What that? I'm wondering if you're suffering from stiffness, any NAH probably not super noticeable at this level but you know if if you are feeling stiffer or you're taking longer to limber up so to speak before your workout. This is something that. This is the region really. All, else being in track so. That's something to consider Your next ratio looks pretty darn good. That's sodium to potassium. That's that's an overall. Indicator of energy in the body looking good there, and that's a adrenal function indicator as well. Your calcium. Potassium. Is your thyroid ratio that looks really well, really good as well. Zinc to copper. This is I'm glad we did this analysis because right now. based. On your levels, your your zinc levels are or elevated actually, and this is this is why we prefer said. Sorry Why we prefer hair instead of blood is because with blood, you're getting that that snapshot and so for that day or two or three, you may be you may have been low insane but currently. Just. Looking at it trend over. Four six weeks, which is what your hair would show is. This level is certainly elevated and you're copper is just about ideal independently. But the ratio being more important means that you you would want to lower your zinc consumption currently. And this is super important. I wanted to get to it on the podcast actually. Your zinc to copper levels are. Really `indicative of. Let's try that one more time more. They're really indicative of. Your Viral and bacterial. Openness. So what I'm saying there is when you're copper levels are incredibly low, you're open for a bacterial infection. and. Case in point and then with zinc your when those levels are really low, you're open to a viral infection, which is something you obviously WanNa protect against. As does everyone right now. So and I'm not sure why virtually no one seems to know this but. It's super essential. It's very indicative case in point a friend of mine here. You know very knowledgeable guy going through a huge program with. Just one of the top anti-aging doctors in the world right now, he actually started supplementing a huge amount of zinc. Like fifty milligrams a day granted. These absorbed about twenty percent of that because there just normal minerals. And the yet the problem was. He developed a bacterial infection in his mouth and because he lowered his rate of copper and we're talking about this, he had just gotten his results. Could probably get permission share them but? He just got those results and we're sitting down to dinner had a couple friends over and. As, we were talking about dinner. We're talking about this and I said, you know you want to be careful with zinc intake because you'll set yourself up for bacterial infection and so well that's really interesting because I have a bacterial infection just developed a week ago had to give to the dentist. and. As well be careful with that because as obviously. I think this is obvious when you lower your overall immune immunity by developing a bacterial infection, what are you more likely and more susceptible to to then get. A viral infection right. So I said well, yeah. Be careful definitely supplement. Some copter in there as well. So he started taking peak that Roy that has a balanced level of zinc copper. it's one of our products them really really proud of and it just you know ideally people would be testing and seeing what their levels are. I. Think in the meantime you can. You can certainly supplement that which will over time bring your levels in the balance. So those are some thoughts your arsenic level was elevated as well. this is I'm guessing you know being living where you live probably intake quite a bit of shellfish There are a number of different Foods and. Opportunities to. To. Absorb high levels. Of. Water is one. I'm not sure if you're on well water where you are. That's another consideration Yeah. There's a number of different foods you can. You can look into that. A little bit of Mercury. Bit Cadmium. Louisville aluminum. You know what's interesting is that you know take lead for example, lead is you'll see it in the blood if you have a lead exposure for about thirty four days what they now after that point, it's not available in the blood, but you can find it via hair. So some just thought I'd throw that in there. It's interesting to be mindful of. I mean granted the primary use I that I explore this with is four mineral status There's always gonNA be some variance between blood and hair when it comes to heavy metals, and since the windows so much wider, you're getting a trend instead of snapshot it's also going to be different between blood and hair. But these are a couple just highlights from the levels. Your one thing. It's really awesome as your calcium magnesium that is your blood sugar ratio and that is ideal. So is your copper that's anti-aging free radical production type thing to have an eye on that as ideal as well. So, museum looks really good. So unsurprisingly overall, your levels are really good. Thanks for listening today's show, you can grab all the show notes resources pretty much everything that I mentioned over at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com along with plenty of other goodies from me including the highly helpful Ben Recommends Page, which is a list of pretty much everything that I've ever recommended for hormones sleep digestion, fat loss performance plenty more. Please also know that all the links all. The Promo codes that I mentioned during this in every episode helped to make this podcast happen and to generate income that enables me to keep bringing you this content every single week. So when you listen in, be sure to use the links and the show notes use the Promo does generate because that helps to float this thing and keep it coming to you each and every week.

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Episode 47: Fury, Woodley, Andrade, RDA, Tonon, Daniels, Edwards, many more

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Episode 47: Fury, Woodley, Andrade, RDA, Tonon, Daniels, Edwards, many more

"The. As and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday may twentieth two thousand and nineteen wanna marry a Hawaii. Welcome back to the program. You had a lovely weekend. If you are joining us in the great white, north happy, Victoria day to. Yeah, it's a great time to be alive. It's a great time in MMA, because we're coming off a very fun, sneaky card. I call the going in. I thought it was a fun card in Rochester highlighted by half. Oh, the Sanjoy defeating Kevin leaned. The main event also help out Felicia Spencer, how 'bout Michel head out while what did they byu we've got a lot to discuss no UFC this weekend. They're taking a rare Memorial Day, weekend off and at a time not that long ago. They used to hold the biggest cards of the year on moral day weekend. This time they're taking it off. But there's plenty of 'em action as always this weekend, L back and we'll talk about PF owned a second, but first, I want to share. Something very exciting with all view last week. I told you that for the first time in the history of the show, I've been doing this show in many different places, in fact, for three different outlets for ten years in June will be ten years since I've been doing this show, and I've never done a live show in front of a studio audience, so to speak, not a studio. And but like on location on the road if you will never done one of those okay? And I've always wanted to do it, and I brought it up many, many times in the past. Well, I'm very excited to announce twelve you that on Friday, June seventh in Chicago the night before you have see two thirty eight we are taking this show on the road. It's the hell Wani roadshow, if you will. And this is great and as of right this moment. Tickets are on sale for this is going to be meeting grades gonna be guest refreshments food, all that and more. All right. So this is the low down. All right. Tickets on sale right now for the first ever hell Wani roadshow over. Over at event, bright dot com. That's event EV ent. Bright, B, R I, T dot com. Right now, event, bright dot com. These are the deeds as the kids like to say. Friday, June, seventh Lincoln hall in Chicago doors open at seven show starts at eight central time meeting greet immediately after the show is going to be food appetizers, all that. And more, you must be eighteen or over to attend. All seating is general mission. Tickets are thirty dollars, just go to event, bright dot com and search for my name area Awani and boom that easy. Come up purchase, and I will see you there. And I wanna blow this thing out. I want to sell it out in minutes than we do more. And we do venues all over the country. People already asked me about Anaheim Edmonton, Las Vegas. This is the first one, so we're coming to Chicago. If you're going to thirty eight you're looking for something to do Friday. If you're not going to two thirty eight and you're in the area. Come to me, June, seventh Lincoln hall go right now a vent, bright dot com. Searched my name area Awani, and there you go. I'll meet you there. And we're gonna have a great time. All right. So that's the exciting news. Literally a dream come true on everyone here at ESPN Elizabeth, Glenn Daniel. Everyone who's been working on this. Thank you. I can't wait for it. All right. This is the lineup today, and then we'll get to our first guest of the day. Around three forty five we're going to be joined by the new UFC straw champion there. She is just coming off that win over rose, number unison. I'm looking forward Tiner, I do believe first time in the history of the program that we have just gone. Drudge on very exciting. Police Spencer is going to join us at around three thirty I'm looking forward to talking too much riyal zone Felicia Spencer coming up that big win over Megan Anderson on Saturday. The former Invicta featherweight champion how about half L dough Santos he will join us as well that skipped someone may have skipped someone. Oh, yes, yes, no senators. There we go. There he is. He's coming off that big win over Kevin Lee. I'm looking forward to talking to him huge win for him. He snaps his two fight losing streak. He gets the win over the wrestler. And now he is back, the former UFC lightweight champion late edition. Tarn woodley. That's when I got confused about he's going to join us at around three o'clock talk about why he pulled out of the fight against Robbie Lawler, that was supposed to take place, June twenty-ninth in Minnesota. And we'll get an update on his hand where he's at mentally physically. So I appreciate Tyron Woodley for stopping by agreeing to doing the show, Michelle pa- head out who I told you about moments ago had an amazing outstanding debut on Saturday. What victory for him against Danny Roberts. I mean, if you missed it, I don't know where where you have been. He's flipping all over the place guys. Crying on the way, the cage is doing like these break dancing moves. I mean he's just unbelievable excited to have him on the show. How about Raymond Daniels? Remember a couple of weeks ago, you had the seven twenty knockout and bell tower Biltmore Birmingham. The kickboxing great now enemy fighter for bell tour. I'm looking forward to Raymond Daniels. Also get an update on sage north cut. He was in sage's corner, in, in one championship on Friday sage getting knocked up by Cosmo exander. So we'll get an update from Raymond Daniels. Gary tone was victorious on that one champ card. He's now five knows professional looking very good. Every time he fights. He does something spectacular this time. It was a heel hook. So that'll be fun. How about Tyson fury? Wow. The gypsy, king himself. Yes. Tyson. In fury is going to be on the show. I can't wait for that will get us thoughts on Dante wilder and his upcoming fight on June fifteenth. Which you can catch on ESPN. Plus, we'll also talk to Pyotr John, one of the up and comers at one thirty five in UFC returns action, a UC two thirty eight in Chicago against Jimmy VERA and Leon Edwards will stop by get his take on maybe finding Robbie Lawler, why he's not fighting. He must widow. He has a lot to get off his chest. But first, let us go to the FaceTime machine and say Hello to New York's own if I could give them a hug, I would give them a hug right now because he is suffering, New York sports fan. If you follow Chris weighed on, on Twitter, you'll know that between the Knicks and the Mets and the jets and all these teams this man is suffering, but he is here, and most importantly, he is fighting on Thursday on ESPN PF L event. Two of season two in the Coleman event home turf for him Long Island. Chris how're you? Opera. How you doing? I'm doing great. I'm happy to have you on. Because actually I wanted to I wanted to let you know that everything's going to be okay. You were very upset last week about the Knicks game, the third pick, but I want you to know it's going to be okay. We got RJ Barrowman. This is good. He's going to be better than Zayn Williamson. I'm going to take your word for it. But I really wanted to, to come through for us. I wanna jump Moran after seeing with. Did in the tournament or to take in Zion on our him. But Barrett just has me a little bit nervous. I feel like they're going to trade this area. No trade the pick for. I think they are, by the way, not a bad consolation. What? So if they traded for AD I figure I can live with it. I don't want I wanna I wanna build slowly, I don't want to ship the entire team away. I will admit I don't have a lot of faith in the brass. But I feel good things are coming. I feel like this time things are different. Yeah, if we net Durant, I think is going to change everything. But if we don't get Duran, I just I could see. Ten more years, the same I hope not. But okay, so you, are you. I know you're diehard met spend your jets fan as well. Correct. Now giants giants. I wait a second Long Island guy, are you giants fan. It seems to me. Are just following what my dad followed and he was a giant fan, and that's how he raised us. So diehard giant fan. Okay. So of those three teams which is the bigger mess right now in your opinion because they all kind of our messes if we're being on it. I mean, the jets might take the cake on all of them started. Our guys in the back Jake, but I have to admit they are pretty bad right now. But the giants aren't doing great as well. I mean, the guy from Duke that they drafted kind of, of those three, which is the worst situation your opinion. I think you gotta put the Knicks up front for what forty two years since we won. Never seen it either. Have you ever seen a forty six actually nineteen Seventy-three, okay? Yep. And then, you know the Mets are just right behind on their hotels because it's all about the ownership, though, ownerships of mess in both situations. They don't wanna leave. No one's can throw them out day on it. Yup. And we're stuck with it. Well, you're bringing some good news to New York state. You're bringing some good news to the, the greater New York City region because you're competing Long Island. I must say I was at the first event two weeks ago, and there weren't a lot of Long Island fighters on the card, this time this particular car Thursday. There's a lot of Long Island fighters. So I feel like the crowd is going to be better where you at that event, two weeks ago, I wasn't at the event two weeks ago with preparation for this fight coming up on Thursday. I have I have practiced myself. I had a lot going on. But I heard that it was really well attended. I heard that it was a great event, what for you, you fought there once before in the previous season. But go ahead. Twice twice. Okay. Yep. Do like fighting there do you like fighting at the call Siham, or does it bring an extra amount of pressure and attention? That is kind of annoying. No. I love fighting at home. I had people around here to me like all too much pressure. Would you rather be away? But now, this is my comfort zone, here I get to train on my own gym. I just came from practice here with my teammates. I don't have to stay in a stuffy hotel room. No fence Mike coaches with three other U2.'s. They're stuck on a double bed with them. I get to sleep in my own bed. And I just get to go about business as usual drive to the fight, you know, and it's sitting traffic like everybody else does here on Long Island. Just that's my comfort zone. So for me being home is an advantage. Of course. How can I forget, you're fighting? It's Franky Perez, that was the first event on Long Island, headlined by Chris wideman versus coming guests them. And then and then last season, you fought on the Long Island card for PFLP AFL five. You made it to the semifinal. I remember when we had you in studio, and you were leaving. AFC and you're wondering about your future. And then you get this great opportunity with PF L. And you've got so close to that million dollar main event. How did you deal with that getting so close ballooning in the semi final? I spent a good week. Genuinely miserable from just being that close to being in the final in tasting money, but a child to draw on that, that wrestling mindset that we have as we grow up and not feel sorry for myself put the blame on myself. His are adage, was always you, let it be too close. You know, I felt like I won that fight if you look at this, the ticks of that fight I felt like brought the fights at him and there was not not to do about it. I looked at it like I'm a state champion wrestler on all American wrestler, in our let this guy from Brazil take me down twice and controlled me for a little bit. He didn't do much with it, but he did take me down. And that was the difference in the fight. So I just did some looking inward looking in a mirror trying to get better. Those your second fight on the same night. So that's what's unique about about the playoff format. If you will did you feel. Like that affected you. Of course he's dealing with the same circumstances. But in hindsight, did you feel like you were tired? Well like you said he was dealing with the same circumstances. So I know he also went through to round her, but it definitely hurt me, as far as some might explode early on carried a couple of injuries with me into that, that weekend at fight. So there was a few things where I couldn't do everything that I wanted to do, but I mean I wanted to third round, so I can't really say that it was it being the second fight that, that was the difference there. Maybe I had a little trouble getting going in the first after just having that our off. It's definitely. It's a tough situation to, to put yourself in it was my first time ever. That's a an experience going to be able to draw on for this season in playoffs this year. And I'll have the advantage even further. So it's interesting because you are a huge sports fan. So you know what? It's like a team makes it all the way to the conference championship. And, and they stumble and then they have to go through training camp again, and it's a long journey, and a lot of athletes have talked about this do feel that same that same grind right now where it's like, man, I have to go through this whole thing all over again, to get back there. Are you are you dreading that are you looking forward to that? How you deal with it. Turn that into motivation because I got so close last year. Like you said with the sports seems that we watch we've seen our teams the that we love get so close. And then the next year you have high hopes, and you just assume since they were that good year before they're going to be back. But you can't just assume that I've been working, I've been working in the gym, what might team since you know, I gave myself a little time off. I came back around like February, and I've just been Boston it since and my mindset is that I just want Natanz again. I just see that he, and I are going to clash again, whether it'd be the semis of the finals and I just want to write that. I mean I, I got two losses on record to him in. Gotta get him back a half to what do you know about Nate Andrews fifteen in one solid, guy, getting this big opportunities well against a name like yourself how much you know about him. We, we've done our due diligence on him. I know that he's got a great record. But I also know that he's a little bit older than me. He's thirty five and he comes from C S, which is a, it's a long-running promotion up here, but he never really took a jump to bigger promotion in tested himself. If you look at some of the guys that he's fought recently in record. It's you know fifteen sixteen guys like that in I mean I have fights against guys in UFC fight against guys in via fell. I fight even factoring combat against Franky Perez. I think our records in who fought it just. It doesn't compare. I'm looking forward to this, a loaded card, by the way, if anyone hasn't checked it out, yet because there's just so much going on. I mean names like Lance Palmer yourself. Andrea Harrison Ramsey. Nigam honeys Torres. There's just a ton machine Magomed Magomedov and show. Damon jackson. Jeremy Kennedy who decides seem Sal. I mean, a lot of big names there. You see the lineup right over there. It goes down this Thursday, symposium on ESPN two main card on ESPN. Plus, you're on the main card. You're Komen event shelters on the prelims. So maybe that's a sign of things to come about where things stand right now for season two I appreciate you doing this, Chris on short notice. And also, by the way, don't worry, it's going to be okay, we're getting kyri. We're getting we're getting our don't worry. My man, I got you in the next I trust, and I need your trust as well. All right. Yeah. Trust you, but I need you to work this 'cause I just don't trust it. I don't trust them believe believe Chris. We'll do this together. We'll get through it together guy that the Mets fan so that you. Got to believe. It goes sideways. I don't know. I can't help it. All right. Well, first things. First your fight on on Thursday. Good luck to I'll be watching looking forward to it. Thank you area. There he is. Chris way, one of the good guys in this business looking forward to his fight, he returned to action on Thursday. All right. Let's switch gears here and talk about the welterweight division. It is loaded right now on Friday. When news came out that Tyron Woodley was out of his fight against Robbie Lawler. Everyone came out of the woodwork and said, I won't Lawler, and how about RDA reasserting himself after that win over Kevin Lee will one man who needs to be an all those talks. And then some is our next guest Liane Edwards joins us right now via the magic of face time as well joins us in his car, and I really appreciate him doing this. I know he was busy today with training Leon Howard. How are you? I'm good era. Good. Just finished training outside. Now. Why pre sheet it? Thank you for doing this Leon. And I know there's a lot going on. I have to ask though, last time I spoke to of course, was after the event in London. And I have to say, I'm disappointed. Why aren't why aren't you fighting Horry Mazda? How can they let this happen? How did they let this? This is not right. I mean look, I like the fight against Ben aspirin. But that was your fight. Hundred percent. Don't knows the fight to make an unfilled affiliates. Offered muster the fight and turned it down. So is what it is a again, I if they will come so to the best year knowledge, they actually went to him and offered him the fight, and he said, no from what I've it that often defy turned down south Clinton demand. Don't don't want to. Is what it is. How do you process that? I mean you were punched backstage, and whatever said was say all that. But, like, how'd you at that point, it sort of my line of thinking about the, the Conor McGregor forbid fight, like, once Connor went to Brooklyn and did what he did? You have to make the fight now. Right. I mean like you guys are actual fighters. How do you process that, that they couldn't make it happen? I, I don't know. All to go away in Jane. Did with the digital from the turned it down and not hit Harry are looking for now top five guy, and go from there. Did you hear Dana white talk about the incident say more like like he blamed security for not holding him back as opposed to Mazda del for doing what he did? Did you hear any of that? I've got the highlights of what to intervene in the bed for them. They don't really like I don't know if. Yeah. Like I said, is that will come in. But we'll say basic. I if some bad boys will say, yeah, selling t shirts. Now after, you know, this whole thing you see all that does it bother. You. If it really, okay. I knew happening. They have to move the money. No. I mean, the moved into co police they so is looking back on it really is. Badly ever. All right. And so now I mean everyone's getting booked up, but there's this opportunity with Robbie Lawler, being available. Because time we'll be pulled out and I saw on Twitter that you kinda through your name into the hat. Is that the fight that you want? Does defy all go for audio fright until five, I I'm full? Why not wanna step open take on the former champion rumble Lola, I'm gonna start winning streak goofy him to redeem himself? And so for not giving six weeks and they're him then atoll show. Okay. So what are the chances this actually happens? On. I had nothing from the essay. So. I don't more is more rubbers court at the moment things up to him. He wants to fight many names, I feel I'm the runner on the best offer that I hadn't yet to the best year. Knowledge is interested in this fight. Do they like the idea of you fighting Robbie Lawler? From what I've heard I feel. So a defy. Defy a thing down to rubber Lola. Two free Feis left, so figures pecan. He wants to fight. That's what it is ahead. Anyway. Did you watch the RDA Kevin Lee fight this past weekend? Yeah, I'll watch very closely stairway afford. The fine to make is right number four now in the wild. And that's the fight for me for a lot of the fight them into. Ninety seven. The co main event that so that's gonna plan. Okay. Wait. So which one do you like better the Robbie Lawler fighter that one? RDA far more champion. Higher ranked number four. Like I said, so probably the audience is, is hiring is Iran guy. The former champion is coming up for good win. So probably. And were you impressed with his performance? I thought Kevin actually look good in the first round, but then sort of ran out of gas. What did you think of our especially gets the wrestler, who in his last two fights, fought Colby, comington spin and obviously lost them? What did you think of how he rebounded? Good skits comeback in it. What did and starting play to them? Can Kelly got fatigue did while the white, so it's hard to judge really on our good is because can relieve fatigue, but. For more champion Nuff respect love to test my skill versus. How would you describe the way the way you feel about your career right now? Because like I said there seems to be a lot going on in the division. It's completely stacked with line and Covington and, and aspirin, and Maswadeh and Robbie Lawler, and yourself and our DA now. But it feels like a lot of people are booked or have just fought and you're kind of on the sidelines watching this, what's going on here. How would you describe it of mall? I'm this way into winter. Happening. Like I said, the Muslim fought was meant that was defined to make that didn't get make so moment for wait, wait, wait into winning. But I, I feel undeserved five opponent now is if he would offer. How far should be next on fill me, like a random fight would do nothing from career being being where I'm not so on opponent next. Then after that one shot. WFAN today. Have they, you know, since you're fight in March. Have they reached out to you with anyone? Not really turn off from the navy or something dimensioned offer mentioned it does nothing for me at all. So that's it. Right. Is on the phone. The name referring about because he is only one that's free it up. And yeah. That knows that me how I want five and that's it. When did they want that fight? This didn't just say what, what, what, what about it? But it didn't it didn't tickle. Your fancy. Now if I go onto MB. Foamy may go there now. Top four or more champion of makes more statements and not propels me more tall to be champion. So. To make even though positive us on a longer winning streak. Longer to then? RDA. Is the big name brand is number four, is the list goes on and on. Sure. Okay fair enough. And so if you can't get the but you would take the Robbie Lawler fight if offer to correct. Offer that fight with that, okay? But if not, you want to return and why Dhabi. I wouldn't I wouldn't holiday Dubai after an awesome. The poacher all of the people of the weather. So the lot next door to try. Okay. Holiday slash. When when did you go there? After a winter like this. My son out there. Good. All of the culture. The it was it was just you and your son in Dubai. I'm on the friends and family lawn. Big family vacation, who's good. What was the best thing you did there? A met like a shake, and I go in his house like a like a like also lions and won't keys and Gerard's, and it was the money is different different in, in, in, in his house, like in his backyard and his house ever watching watching on TV. I up with a. What the hell going on? And how did you meet this guy? From one of my friends live living, the Mayan. They, they know noted, okay? I told more I want to go see the farm debris to the farm, and it was good. Wow. Yeah. The I I know a lot of the over there. They loved you jitsu Emma may when someone out there. The lover may in the device. To go there and five cents under seven. W b Komen event. All the. Yeah. And how about your brother Fabian killing it that up kick their that was incredible stuff. Holy smokes. He's doing. Well. Are you proud of him? Yeah. The kids are low for one that join me say your Timothy Benneteau and hopefully I'm praying don't resign computer Mesa can cause the savage. Why do you want to come to you? Unim- hair with a form of the champion of Caracas water champion affairs oriented, just. We'll see in the level. I'm curious. Why, why do you want him to see because it seems like Bill tours treating him really? Well, yeah. Now, I'm just selfish really on the good me and him in your sure that's the only reason really from the train them. The pay. Wow. They trimmed. Good office. Reasons are low for me him to be FA. Yeah. I think I saw on social media. He said he he already has his next fight. Yeah. I finally getting free weeks in London. Oh, yeah. I like inference. Good. Very good. Very good. Giving a lot of fights as well. And here you are frustrated because they're not quite in you. I'm winning. We're not gonna find. No, it's crazy. If elect game air, I feel like you're, you're in a weird dilemma, like other fighters have faced this dilemma as well. You continue to win. You dominate your opponents. You don't love talking trash everyone's just like bypassing you and it's not right. Seven in a row, you need those big fights seventy four killers. Go to Nelson combo back the back. Everyone four look Akaba. Now, look, come look, Vincent. Yeah. For him him. Look, look for in our lane, so crazy, I feel I'm different way of under on, on the front runner, and I'm the number on fighter and. This is not the case. Why hope they put some respect on your name as the kids say, you know what I mean? Thanks for doing this. And good luck getting either the Robbie Lawler fighter, the RDA fight. I like both those ideas I hope things work out for you. Thank you. All right. There is Leon Edwards give rocky a fight. Give him some respect. I mean for God's sakes, guys want seven row and we've seen this before in the we've seen this with other fighters where not just in. You have seen other promotions as well. You have a guy who's winning who's dominating. He's right. The people he's beat. I mean cowboy everyone's talking about cowboy going Gaga over cowboy and, and he'd beat them less than a year ago, the center Luc, look what he did this past weekend. Look what he has done as of late. I think that was his fifth and row beat him not that long ago give this manifold I maintain look like the Mazda fight against Ben aspirin. But I maintain that should have been his fight. I if you punch guy backstage. Whether it's right wrong. Whatever the case may be. You still have to go fight each other. I mean like this is this is not like the NBA where you punch and you, you get to spended and you have to stay apart and all this. No you actually can go in a cage and punch each other further right. So I don't know. It's a weird thing. Anyway. Thank you. Very much Liane Edwards. And thank you to Chris. Wade, we're keeping the train rolling along in fifty minutes. We're going to be joined by the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, one Tyson fury the gypsy king. But I this is a longtime coming. I'm very excited to go to Thailand right now and say Hello to Pyotr yon, these Siberian gangster, there he is look it up. He looks like Ricky Hatton has anyone ever told you that Pyotr you look, exactly like Ricky, Hatton, joined by his translator and manager sat as well. Pietra. How are you? Knows. Yes. This is great. And thank you for doing this. I know it's it's very late over there. It's twelve thirty in the morning. So I appreciate it very much. Thank you to both of you. I heard that your friends are calling you the Siberian gangster. Why do they call you? The Siberian gangster. Ever. But the most what a CB must be gun sleepless. Lou goes, I grew up in Siberia, and I was raised there. Gangster, like consensus on the street. Oh, what do you mean by that gangster like circumstances? Can you tell us more? Bush, which Morgan. Just is too, but it's company that should have been volume show cereals. CB fastened, which will. I was a little bit nasty one. I'll grow was growing up. I was a hooligan and maybe like as a joke. My TransCo near against her. You know, nothing's is just as a joke from what I understand when you were used to get into a lot of street fights. Correct. Even when, like when you're ten years old. Come just seconds. This mission number is. Yes. Yes. Of course. Win them. All right. You'd be the one getting the better of your opponent. Correct. Them of secular. Among hasn't even go at up abuse wishes seeping. He knew that there were different cetaceans outcomes. I'm not gonna say one all of my three fights or dines. I was winner. Okay. And things are going very well for you. Do you see are you at all surprised by any of this, or is this, what you expected is this is this, how you expected your UFC run to go? Thus far. Harsher says it's to you see poets. The yen has also. At us that do with them parlaying in that should wish I did. I didn't expensing goes this way, but we're working hard than ever since going. Right. So. We're going to keep doing what we're doing, do you feel like if you win this fight on June eight that you will be next for a title shot. You feel like this is a number one contender fight, perhaps just for you because of how good things are going for you. Instable boy small Union Station. Yoichi you'll the that yet on or. A small Bridget. No. Both the social sciences. Yeah. I really want to the next one in line for the Daito. Let's see how result by yeah. I have a desire, and I and ready for battle. And right now, you you're joining us from Thailand, correct. Under the she just fell on. Yes. Right now, we're in Thailand. And what is it like few because understand that you have a young family? You, you have a you have one, you have one child, right? Yes. What is it like being away from them? You've been very active. This is I think your fifth fight in the UFC you've had a lot of fights. You have to do your training camps in Thailand. What's it like for you to be away for them for so long? Goldrich that you got into the boys sitting shares. By China goes cut initiative, which all you say. No. That I you. It's a big workloads. Of course, I wanna spend more time with my family, but I'm doing it for them those as in all away lampooning, does your family ever come in and stay with you in Thailand. Or you always away from them. If you sit in. Vanished. Diese just bulleting misses the way it looks dude. Doodle cut something. Sometimes they join me in Chem by this time because they were less than a month still defied. So I decided to come come along. I don't know if you know this, but in Chicago, where you're fighting on June eight there's a there's a very big Russian population. Do you expect that a lot of people are going to be there to support you? Have you ever been to Chicago and been around those people? Chicago original girls. He accidentally shot by disco superstition annual Chicago as the mobile security slow about, I believe. Yeah. Another into Chicago by this, as you say, there are many Russian I'm sure there will be comments apartment. What do you think of this matchup against Jimmy Rivera? Jimmy's, a tough guy gritty wrestler. Sometimes it's hard to look good against Jimmy Rivera because of how good he is. And you just has that style that, you know, it's hard to get into sort of a firefight with him, so to speak. What do you think of this matchup? Did you like it when it was presented to you? Going to Puncak with horse stealing meeting at the on the. By sheep. Boy, you're searching teachable, yuck. Oh. She wants to much of it. That most of while new Garcia she barely get. Buoyed by your committee, slow could get with it will be windy, and I will dictate the fire dictates temple how it will go. So I will be in control. Yes, he's not gonna come to this. Kirkman from wrong from what I understand your brother used to box and you wanted to go boxes, while the he didn't wanna bring you long, so used to sneak out and try to try to go fine where he would box and watch. And then finally, you're given the opportunity youngster I'm talking about. Like when you were ten eleven years old. Is that what happened how you I fell in love with competing? On this study for to Schulkin novels using the summit. The bill. Get rescued them educated on such, but, you know, I don't talk initials MOS most of the shuttle dishes for them is just set this deal. The unique Chit special the Buddha, sit on Moore's nine. Notice deco smelly that. I used to used to be competitive as child, always, I used to do every other sports before I joined boxing. But yet it was through my brother who want make the bugs in its first. After I want my source competition. She admitted that I'm she's brother and for me competition is like a was there. It's like a school you learn from it, and you grow from it as a nationally. So why did you go down the route of mixed martial arts as opposed to boxing? Initial by a man. All triple darkness. Got the Bush Jim books put it in. Four of the that I listen. Emma may starts to become very popular in Russia and was like coasting to do, so I decided to switch. Lure some of the fighters that I caught your eye. Are we talking like the funeral million days anyone else in particular like the first fighters that you thought? Wow, these are fellow Russians. I could do this to these people. Inspire me. Distinct by talkative. We're gonna Schnell his moment, but suck out Moore's film it. Even we should. His initials. Milenko by initial seat. Assessable. Smash hit in love. Got bullying talk, you'll Senate official analyses. Of course. Like there was a leader offend Mamane Russia will always looking at him. But I did I really was looking up to anyone dislikes sport as a whole this why decided to do. Did your brother continue? The is he a fighter as well. Something. Yeah. She's a coach. He's coach the kids. Oh, wow. Okay. Does he coach you too? Everything. L something arms coaching Kim. I like that. The tables of turn very nice. I also understand that you graduated from these Siberian Federal University with a degree in physical culture and sport, is that accurate. And what is physical culture and sport a degree in physical culture. What does that entail? Coach base to designing. But he's going to strengthen ship. Jay. We do this. Emma, these small generally on what me that's me, who funding fees. These people among the. She wasn't send this small jersey. His especially working with us and child. And he can teach can be coach in the physical culture, like in different kinds of sports. Oh, you do that. Currently, or when you're going to be done fighting. You'll put that into us. Shoves him I see contributions. Okay, bonus chill, some personally that putting alleging true. A win. Right now. I'm one hundred percent dedicated to my professional career and doing coach now to coach now. But when also will be you feel like life has changed for you since you've started fighting into you have, and you're starting to get a lot more attention in America. Do you notice a difference the way, people treat you yet? These meals Pacific. Keep up to mind. And you're. Myers, the most so Jewish net. Crawfish nettie. The. Issue. Yes, of course, my life begun, more califor- interesting after Jim you've seen. I can see. I can see children difference. Would you ever consider moving your family to Thailand? It seems like a great life there. So that you don't have to be away from them. Don't don't say if they lumpy from this. No, no. The also sees him or whole style until to finish on his though. Especially when it's winter rushing cold. I'm thinking about moving here or duration of winter because very nice here called in Russia. Are you a football fan? Do you like football soccer football? Monja in come down. Not by city, you're gonna leave. Yeah. I like the place sometimes the whole kind of sports different kind of sports. I like to play because now it occurred to me, Wayne, Rooney know, Wayne Rooney. You look exactly like Wayne Rooney as well. Wayne Rooney, and Ricky Hatton. Did you ever get that before you ever heard that? Proposal for the win. Don't go the mobile us all union. Well. Way Rooney hubba Illit of people told me about like that. Look like Wayne Rooney, please invites, Wayne Rooney Lee invited to my final. That'd be amazing. You know, I appreciate that. You think that I'm that connected? But in fact, no-one knows me or likes me so. Schedule. Emma loops in your football will say. On a cedar. Ruining his old already. I can play better than him. His oath who I can bugs better than him through. You know, I agree. I agree on both both of those that you did this, what is this? You're making fun of my knows that what you were doing. Muscle is the hook knows that it shares are. He's got jokes. I like it. Coppola little joke. That's why they call you know mercy. Right. Because no mercy. 'cause you like the joke around people. Smutty borrow material that will mug money shoot it. He said he used to watch couple of your show, so don't joke. The much. Oh my gosh. That's great stuff. By the way, it's not Peter Yan. It's pure again, right there. I get right? Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for doing this and I look forward to, to being at your fight June eighth. You have see two thirty eight ACOG. Oh, Jimmy VERA. That's a big one. By the way, I get your prediction who'd he thinks gonna win? Marla is or Henry Suharto, who's going to be the new champion. Would be essence. Is, I think Marlin Marlin? Okay. But what do you think of? T. J dillashaw testing positive. Still too. The, the most by someone didn't even do. His own business is a grown-up minute. You'll do it by himself. All right. Fair enough. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And thank you to the great Danny Rubinstein as well for sending this all up. Appreciate it very much. Thank you guys. Look at that I love you. Yes. See by my friend. Yes. Pietro yon, the man. No mercy the Siberian gangster himself. I love it making fun of my nose. This is amazing. All right. Here we go. Here's the lineup for UC to thirty eight corporate. Jake's, he's got it there. It is. There it is Henry Suharto Marlin rice bantamweight title on the line. Bent down. Tina Shevchenko just got and what about that promo that they aired on Saturday. Tony Ferguson and Donald tourney. They stole my line. Did you see that people's main event? They actually used it in a promo rest assured I came up with that line like five years ago. No one else said it before me, it was all me. But by the way. They say imitation is the best form of flattery. Right. Isn't that what they say? I take it as a compliment that use my line. I really do because I think it's a great thing to call that fight the people's main event, because guess what it is the people's main event. It's an amazing fight, and that promo was amazing as well. I was just kind of I was caught off guard. I was taking it back. I didn't expect them to use that then being the UFC promo, but it was nice no one asked permission or anything like that. No one licensed it from me. But Nevertheless, I thought it was. Nice so no hard feelings. Okay. And it was at propo- anyway. Thank you very much to thirty. And that's a great card. And by the way, the night before you have to thirty eight as I said earlier, we're going to have a live show for all of you in Chicago. Yes. The Hawaii roadshow. That's what I'm coining it June, seventh Lincoln hall event, bright dot com of vent, bright dot com is where you can get tickets right now, just type in aerial hell Wani, and the tickets will be yours for just thirty dollars. There's going to be gay. There. We're going to have a meeting greed afterwards. We're going to have refreshments all that stuff. More please do come. I'm low worry that only like, three people are gonna show up so please do come. It's gonna be great June seventh Friday the night before you have see two thirty eight if you're looking for something to do. We're gonna make it happen. All right. It's gonna be great. The Hawaii roadshow come hang out. It's going to be fun. All right. So in a matter of seconds, we're going to be joined by the great Tyson fury. Yes, the actual Tyson fury himself, the real guy, the gypsy king. I can't wait for this one of the great characters in combat sports this, I know he's on a number may fighter but this was too good to pass up. He returns to action on June fifteenth. He's competing in Las Vegas at the MGM grand garnering gets Tom Schwartz. It's going to be for his lineal heavyweight championship it's going to air on ESPN plus so that's a huge coup for us. Of course. He's coming off that draw against Yanti wilder back in December. What a fight that was. Great moment him knocking down, while they're while they're rising from the ashes. So to speak. That was incredible drama. And of course, wilder just fought against Dominic Brazil, this past Saturday in Brooklyn and knocked him out in, in just a couple of minutes in the first round. Great call for more Renaldo on Showtime. I mean I'm sure by now you've seen that. So I can't wait to get Tyson's thoughts. He just posted on social media, not that long ago that he was hanging out with Darren till so that's going to be a lot of fun after Tyson fury. We're going to be joined by Gary Tonen of one championship fame. And of course, the grappling fee nom himself. He's a member of one championship who had an event this past Friday and he was successful in that event. So that was a very nice win. He'll hook win for Gary tone, and he's now five and Raymond Daniels show ahead. Tyron Woodley have failed Assange's Felicia Spencer, just gun drudge. They're all on tap on today's program on this Victoria day Monday here. Will not in Canada and the United States, but I'm celebrating Victoria day, even though I'm not in Canada. But I am so excited to talk to Tyson fury in a matter of moments and a real life legend an icon. Like I said, one of the great characters in the sport of boxing right now, dare I say in combat sports, an inspiration, a man who we were unsure if he'd ever come back, he ballooned over three hundred pounds. It seemed as though he was not going to be able to regain his his old form. And then he came back against the Altay wilder and was so close. Shocking while I thought he won that fight. And of course, he returned to action on June fifteenth. Let us not waste any more time and say Hello to the gypsy, king himself. Look at that, man. Wow. What a suit that is incredible stuff. This is an absolute honor Tyson. How are you? Thank you. Thank you from the show. Yes, it is a pleasure. So, you know, we're, we're a mixed martial art show Tyson. But I think that you transcend all combat sports. You're an icon. You're, you're great star. So it's such an honor to have you on the program. I'm sure I know you've been doing some media today. So I'm sure you've been asked about this. But I would be remiss we don't start with this Deontay wilder knockout on Saturday. How impress were you ferry impression do you on walls? Call power from him. He will not keep out now. Brazil, did he paid the price you feel like in a way that out and considering how quick it came is actually a good thing for you. Because you stood in there. You took all shots. And of course, he couldn't do that, too. So it almost ups your stock in a weird way not really because styles. They make flights on different styles. Wreck different different volative. So economically go too much on the performance of dominate. Brazil compared to mind because dominates totally different style to me. Unlike say Walthall might what full dominant Brazil may not necessarily work for someone like myself. He took a lot of heat before the fight about some of his comments about wanting a body on his record wanting to kill what did you make all that out? Didn't buy into it, too much because a lot of flight of to create opinions and trying to sell themselves and get people talking about this. So to do crazy things. So I know Deontay wall, about mon- money doesn't want to kill anybody. So don't retain, what into it. But nevertheless, comeback spoilt people do help them the dine in the ring now. And again, it's not nice thing today. Because when tame ends in fighting for the life, the last thing you need someone to get severely injured or was, how close were you guys to actually rematch? Ching right away after your great fightback in December. We're very close to a rematch. We had contracts. They outcome truck through trying to great. And all of a sudden I had a massive Dale for me SPN, they may be an offer. I couldn't refuse, wow intended. So you actually had the contract for the rematch when with without have been that would have been in may of believe. Wow. And so you're the one who walked away from the deal. The anti wall apparently signed a three fight deal before I signed has been deal. Okay. Assigned Dale to fight dominate. Brazil Lewis all tees, KOMO ski. So this is all before we even put pen to paper. And how many is your PIN deal for a fee fights? Yeah. On the ESPN on, hopefully I'll stick with my full career and so for as long as you are with the SPN, and he has his deal with Showtime. Will you guys never fight? Is there no way that, you know, if the fighters are willing to fight them? Why should a network getting away? Right. Fly tissues as an excuse K, Anthony Joshua, he uses the excuse, but I believe if the fight is really wanna fight each of as I proved I was on BT's fault. I came over to the United States and box and Showtime, you know, these fights can happen. Why coming up there Joe broadcast? It's been done before and often again. Do you to the cannot room from tasha fury forever? Do you house throw them? Do you think that if you went on June, fifteenth, that there's a chance of rekindling this flame and doing the rematch, this very much is gonna happen gonna happen? But it won't be in won't be in May June, July or August this. I'm being told it's lightly twelve in March April of next year really March-April of no idea. Oh, that's the date something give okay? And where would it be of no idea? Okay. But you would probably fight if all goes, well June fifteenth against Schwartz probably fight in between them. Correct. I'll probably have a couple of fights and majority goes, well, you want to be active. I want to be active. I'm not playing anybody else's games. You know, I've golfing about me and my career, my family my life. I'm gonna put my career in whole because waiting for people to, to take fights, you know. You know, I'm Tom taking my career in my own homes and destiny elder in both homes. I wanna times right? We'll do the fly. Are you worried that after what happened on Saturday and Joshua fighting and just a couple of weeks at they'll try to make that fight? Now in that you'll be the odd-man-out. Oh, I'm not worried toll the gypsy, king lineal heavyweight champion of the world. All roads. Late two types of Yuri, who wins them to they can never be considered the best, unless, bait me while lineal championship of the world to be the model era. They have two types of Yuri. Nobody's money to do it in twenty nine fights. So how do you feel about Anthony Joshua's promoter? Eddie hearn. I've seen on social media, you're going back and forth with him as father as well. How do you feel about him? Do you feel like he's the roadblock and all this? I'm not to show you know promote. To that job on the fight for me to get involved with argan bucking Nelson's over over over surely. And he's. You know what I suggest the Joshua dulls as Getty's of Tom bug on use them to gain respect to every division, if you were presented both opportunities three match against wilder the mega fight against Joshua, both mega fights, really. But the opportunity to fight Joshua which interests you more right now. I'm not really bothered. I'm only concentrating on June fifteenth. The moment account underestimate him Scholtz, because the end of the day this has he's welcome to the big time polity. He knows if he can beat me then richest Whiteson installed him. So I'm not gonna win the rest, the mate. Tell them Scholtz because he code potentially a banana skin for me to, to lose them. I'm game live. What top for all this time last, I checked, I think you're a minus six thousand favourite going into this fight does that play tricks on your mind. Everyone's saying like, oh, you're just gonna walk through this guy. You're such a huge betting favorite. Everyone. I don't I don't go with what people say, I'm not shape I on the leader. So why people say I go up because everyone thought it was getting not on the day, while everyone said the book as every box in journalists in the world. So I was getting knocked out by Klitschko, but I keep defining nields. So if I could do then so can anybody else if they believe in, so I just don't go people say, I have to be proven these talks to be proven to me. We'll see. Thomas, yours has made open. I don't know how anyone could be made a six thousand to one on the dunk on a boxing fight and heavyweight division because we know only takes one trees over this is everywhere books in, as you know, the sport of MA in the sport of boxing, while similar in terms of what actually goes on in the ring or cage, the structure's completely different, right? We were just talking about the promoters, and the networks are sport is different. And teddy atlas recently said that, you know, he wishes that boxing was more. Like MMA where it was like these different organizations. And I think a lot of people myself actually I disagree with teddy Alice. I think boxing's model while it can be filled with politics and all these issues that we were just talking about is actually healthy for the boxers themselves to make the most amount of money possible. Do you agree with teddy? Do you think that it would be better? If boxing was more like a in terms of the structured, you disagree. I'm not really too. Short opinions. Again, is somebody's opinion. If you also hundred papal same question. I'm sure everybody off a different opinion situation. But Teddy's opinion I respect because very knowledgeable in the fight game. What about your pay? You know there's a lot of different organizations in boxing. On every one of them of different set of rules. So whichever organization, you're working with the time you after a day to those roles on the end of the day in boxing, sooner or later, the big fights do happen house. We've same time and time again, sometimes you have to wait a while. Nothing happens overnight. Every golden life, we have to wait full. So when he finally does up fights way, most enjoy the mall, Lahia. Are you ever made fan? I love what I think is very excited, especially when the guys stunned exchange I'm not so big of a fun, one roll up and down the floor like it when they stumble component cheetah really exciting. Are you are you a fan of Conor McGregor? He has not fought as as much these days, and has gone in some trouble here and there as far as outside of the cage stuff, what do you make of what has become of him right now? I think almost transcended the, the game of may. He sat precedents, as set the game on fire. I think a may. Definitely a game changer in crossed over his fault may, whether it's become a Muffin superstar he's done. Very, very well. It should be very proud of himself. And you know, everybody has troubles in life, and it's not what troubles who have what it's how we overcome troubles and lend from I understand recently, you met up with another great Emma fighter Darren till and you both were very complimentary of each other on social media. How did that come about? Yeah. We both the mom Chester recently of war crown pumped into Darren. Tell Darren assigned both with Paul to UK. Of just rates from Louisville not up on the fun of Dharam tell like he's towards the game is he's been a couple of fights. Like I say anyone can lose to about two on the night on. It's not I, but I would come back from it shows character could you tell me who's on your suit, your suit jacket over there? What is that? It's hard for me to I have a list of lineal heavyweight champions on the past. That's incredible guys on that. Wow. And are you on there as well? I mean I see your logo there is your picture to yet as a patron of there may as well, withholding all the belts. George foreman. Mike Tyson Holyfield. I love it. Homes spanks made that free is. I have tailor made this designed for me going for swimming. Flamboyant, share so plenty of shopping suits all in time for Las Vegas. I love it and your story is as inspirational as it gets. I'm wondering after the wilder fight. You said all the right things. I mean, it was just amazing seal the weight that you lost and your mind. How you change your mind everything like that. Did you ever are things going? Well for you. Are there ever moments where you feel yourself getting down again where you have to sort of get yourself back up, you need someone to help you, how are you doing mentally, these days meant to mental illness? Never goes away. You can't the fate. You gotta learn to Mondays you maintain saying Joe allow the moment. I try on a daily basis, even boxing or not tossed my medication. And it seems to work, not encourage anybody useful for mental health problems to take it working out because sessile engulfing in the brain if you fail. Good. Fuck too. How much expect a way for this fight against Tom Schwartz? I'm not sure the white is very unimportant to me, and heavy outside weight. You can have you want. Whatever I feel good up wherever fail. Strong and up is what I'll wait. I'm waiting about two hundred seventy pounds at the moment. Still got four weeks to go, so not truly when you training twice a day, six days a week, you lose a couple of pounds so probably sixty five on site, the reason I ask, because you I've seen a lot of your videos you to be in phenomenal shape these days. And so I was wondering if you were slimmer or we're going to, I'm not I'm not slimmer, I'm the same way as I've been for a while. Okay. Just maintain this for a long period of time you fill out, and you get stronger in the white, are you have you ever heard of a heavyweight Emma, made fighter named Francis in Ghana? Are you familiar with him us in Ghana's African journey? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I, I was told through the grapevine that he fancies a fight against u m versus boxing finals wondering what you thought of that, if those something you'd entertain. Entertain what may go into a mayo into box at him coming to boxing. I don't I don't say as a challenge when you've got the heavyweight champions of the world. Konczal injury in the box much doubt and I may five can challenge in boxing, much, just like I probably couldn't challenge in an MA difference ball, completely, although it stumbled contact, it's total different box is not my main MA. Certainly not blockchain is totally two different games as saying time, and time again when may goes over two bucks in, they lose I wanna box goes to a may. They lose so it's not it's not a game where he can be world champion boxer and a world champion and the may. I don't think it really works. Three different games, and says, for call says, of course, and I have a hard time disagreeing with you on that one as well. I understand your brother, your younger brother is a boxer as well. But he's also somewhat of a hearthrob, right? He's going to be on some sort of reality show, island shore, something like that is that accurate going on TV show called la- violent. Kenyan kit. Unbelie thing he's going to be hit with the ladies on it. He's he is something else doesn't like me 'cause I don't like it. I think you're being hardened yourself, but wow. I saw photos of him. I mean he is just he's a showstopper that guy. Wow. Unbelievable. Just he's professional careers to moment. Nineteen years old. So big future, boy, it's going to take a lot of sacrifice and dedication to achieve goals. And if you don't mind me, asking you both share the same parents. Yeah, that's unbelievable as, as a light-heavyweight on his right, right? Right. I just I, maybe if you like cut his hair you kind of look, similar, but you don't totally look similar. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's right. Well, what do you what else are you doing in New York? Do you have a lot more media? You have promo shoots. He got lined up. I've been I've been doing media sense. Eight o'clock this morning. We've got four thirty more off tomatoes. To sky buy into training for the fall. Okay. And the end of the day, all the media's your and get knocked know what you want to do, is it. That's right. And I'd be remiss if I don't ask you before I let you go, because I know we have to wrap this up. If you could just join me in this, I don't know if you're you're in the mood right now. But I'm just gonna try okay Tyson. I hope you don't hate me for this. By by miss them. Joma Chevy to the Levy, but the Levy was Jacka titled here. Drinking whiskey. This today. Has. A day that I. Me on the show. Thank you all the best fifteen for June. All right. Thank you. There is the gypsy king himself Tyson fury. Wow. That's a dream come true, right there. That's a bucket list thing. Remember when he did that after the wilder fight? What a bloke what a good guy. And so there you have it. That was a lot of fun ESPN, plus Tom Schwartz, minus six thousand what a coup for years to get Tyson fury on their roster. I'm looking forward to that, again, June fifteenth. Though you have see that weekend, so you can enjoy all right now, we move things along like said this past Friday one championship had another event. A lot of people buzzing over what happened to sage north cut, but I was buzzing earlier, after Gary tone, improved to five no each and every time he competes in mixed martial arts, he does something even more spectacular this time it was a heel hook and the best part about Gary tone. Is that every single one of his fights completely different because every time he fights he looks completely different. It's an amazing thing. He's a true chameleon. Let's say Hello to him right now. He joins us via the magic escape. There. He is Gary tone and Gary. How are you? I'm doing great man. How are you guys? I honestly have never met an individual like you. Gary Tonen and I like to say your full name. I don't just like say, Gary because Gary tone, just sort of, like rolls up the time you look different every time I see you feel like you look different right now than you did on Friday. How do you pull this off? Yeah. Yeah. For sure, I. Well, I didn't get air con for like three months. And then I just got one, so I'm not surprised that I look a little different. It's amazing. And one time we'll Verena shaped head. It's just incredible. So keep keeping us on our toes. I like that in addition to what you're doing, but recognize me. That's right. This was phenomenal heel hooks emission where you going for that? In a way. I mean it's something that we train all the time, but it's not going into the fight that wasn't. I wasn't thinking, man. I'm going to get a single ride Paraggio. You're I'm being got around. People ask me that was the plan. And I always say I've been saying lately that that was like Clancy. Maybe you know, as far as what I thought would happen during the fight fifty five seconds in. And sometimes in this particular case, it's better for you that it happened early because he wasn't sweaty, right? Oh, yeah. I guess I didn't really think about that. But yeah, definitely helps a little bit with, with the traction for sure. You know, sometimes people are crease. Do you know that makes it work? Thankfully problems with that. And this organization, but on many problems of that in my grappling career so yeah, definitely a little bit easier when it's dry out there for this particular venue competing in a ring, and I still haven't been able to figure out was it because there were some kickboxing matches on the card as well. Yeah. I think I think for the kickoff in grand prix. They were probably trying to eat it in a ring just to keep it a little bit more standard. I can't say for sure. I, I do know that there are certain countries that they always compete in the ring Singapore. Not usually one of them Singapore. They usually do it in a cage interesting that they did some title-fights in a in the ring, though, like, for instance for Shanley and Shinya Aoki. I mean that was the title fight. I usually with the title they try to keep everything standardized, you think. Right. So that's news to me for the future, as far as how, how the title runs go and everything like that. But yeah, they switch back and forth in this organization between rings cage that you put on other martial arts, which I think it's cool. I didn't know what to make of rain really until I got in there, because I honestly leading up to it, usually I try to prepare in whatever environment, I'm gonna competing but and doesn't have a very big. Ring a small. So I didn't find it valuable to Spar in that five this sparring, the cage, I really get any practice in a ring until I got to have in Singapore. I only really got like a week's worth of ring practice, but I have to say the way that it's done with five ropes and the roads are very tight. It's not as bad as I thought it would be initially going in, and I liked it in a way you get a little bit of bounce off the ropes that you wouldn't normally get in a cage and helps with certain take downs and stuff. I didn't really need it in my fight, but I could see your possibly helping out, you know, I was gonna ask if that affected your game plan or your mindset going to the fight. I'm assuming you knew prior that it was going to be in a ring, right? Yeah. Yeah. They told me well ahead of time they gave me plenty of assigned this. They as soon as I find the in the contract says that it's a ring. So I, I knew going into it, we do a little bit of prep here and there and you know, kinda. Noted some differences and things like ring control changes a little bit. Then oppose the cage control that, that you can cut off ring a little bit easier. So we went over some things for sure. You know, to prepare for that, but I wouldn't say we were there for two to differently like in the last week, I got a chance to actually practice. Some of my technique on the roads, but really didn't change game plan you much. So those your fifth pro win all coming within like fourteen or so months, all with one championship. How many more fights left on your one deal? So I don't think I'm allowed to tell people at home. Why? I don't know. I just think that's in the contract that you're not supposed to talk about, like, I'm probably the only one that abide by this stuff. I read everything, and I just do straightforward. I may they may not care. I don't know. I plan to stay with them, regardless. But I regardless of the terms that I contract I plan to stay with each for a long time. I really liked the organism. I really liked the way my career's than going putting new challenges in front of the every single and I, I really have no reason to worry about the terms contract, then, you know, maybe making more money in the future. I was gonna ask if you were happy, and if they were treating you well, it sounds like they are recently they came out with this thing. And I don't know if you've pay too much attention to it. This this agent certification thing where you're, you're representation now has to have ten years of experience and live in Asia, and all this stuff. How do you feel about this? And does this affect you in any way? Think it was them some runnings that they may or may not have had with, with some guys trying to do some shady deals with their athletes, you know. So I kind of understand where they're going with this fighting the weird thing man. It's, it's tough 'cause not unionize in any way. So there's really no way like fully protect the athletes. And I think this is their, this is their, their best shot at that. I see what they're trying to do. I also see why some people have some criticisms my hand over the tennis and the whole time or I. Got. I see what they're trying to do, but I do see criticism, you know, especially the things about people having to live in Asia and stuff like that. I think people reading super strict policy. I, I think I understand. I don't I think they're going to be a little bit more loose with it than people think. I don't think they're gonna buy every single piece in it. As it reads, it makes it seem like they were going to speak, you're gonna pick their management or could do that. You know, based off of the way that it's red. I don't really think they're looking out looking to do that. I think they're looking to try to weed out use of these standards to weed out some of these shady characters that are basically just like healing money from guys. You know. So I it didn't really doesn't really affect me much. You know, I they haven't said anything to me about my, my turn management or anything like that. So I'm not too worried after the. After the. On, on Twitter, that not only are you going to be known as the greatest featherweight of all time you're going to be known as the greatest power for pound fighter of all time. And I know you are very confident guy. I never heard you say and I apologize. If you've said this in interviews, I've never read it, and seen you actually put it out there like that. Why did you feel like now is the time to do that? I told everybody since beginning at I was just getting started in mixed martial arts. And as I had more and more variance, I would tell you guys more and more about how I felt and you know, my first fight, I don't necessarily didn't necessarily say things like that. You know in my fifth I do. I think I'm the greatest power of all time on the greatest of all featherweight of all time. No, those are my goals, you know, that, that reads, but I didn't even say those are my goals until five five why everybody talks. You know, people come into my gym every day, telling me, they're going to be the next, you know, UFC champion. And they taught me about all these things that they wanna do goals. They wanna accomplish jitsu and, and don't get me wrong. I wanna know what my students are for like, you know, let's take it one step at a time. You know, though I never had about five five I authored to let people know what my plans are, you know, for the division what my plans for the future and mixed martial arts and I figured that would be a good way to kind of put. It out there and just set it as for myself, so five no five finishes, either via TKO, or submission all very impressive. Like it's fourteen months. Is it fair to say or not that this is going better than you, originally thought or did you really expect it to go this way, this, that you'd be dominant does far? Fair to say that this is going better than I would originally thought it. I didn't know what the thing. I mean, mixed martial arts brand new to me. Yeah. I had no idea, you know where I was going to be able to take it. And you see all kinds of crazy things happening mixed martial arts. Then you know sage is a great fighter. You were just talking about people saying things wondering what's going on with sage and with, is most recent defeat and everything and man, one punch. You know Brooke his face, like eight places. He's in a hospital for three weeks now, you know, stuff like that happens and could happen to me in the future. I'm not I'm not discounting it, you know, all my preparation everything I got that, hopefully prevent after matting, but it's a crazy sport dude. So, yeah. Anything anything, short of, you know, me breaking my face and being in a hospital as a is a great experience, as far as I'm concerned, you know, but for me to have these many dominant performances and most recent win being under a minute by submission. I couldn't be more happy. Join the process more than you expect it as well. Man, gets it gets better with every day for sure. Because I'm getting if less I'm learning to. I'm learning the sport. I'm learning to defend myself more. I'm learning how to rest, I'm learning how to this things up a lot, a lot better with the strike into grappling transitions. So it's not I don't have to take much of a beating to get into down. I don't I if I'm tired. I, I know how to basically clinch someone and faithfully clinch and like all these things that preview free when these kind of things would happen if I would get tired or if I didn't really know what I was doing. You know, every every time the consequence is getting punched. It's not what do you make mistakes? And you just Pat so in the train doesn't get any easier, like I'm still Justice exhausted. Every day like training, schedule super super strict. And like I have to back to back basically, in the most recent stuff, I can't so that's super stressful on my body, but still the I just say overall training, I think, gets easier just 'cause I know how to protect myself, and if I don't wanna get hit I can I can choose not to mention. Do you wanna keep this pace up? Or do you wanna take a little bit of a break now? I like the idea TV momentum going. You know it's one thing when there's something six months away. And then, you know, I I'm definitely, there's a certain amount of motivation and dedication, I'm always gonna have regardless of whether or not there's an opponent in front of me. There's something about something being just around the corner. Eight weeks away, twelve weeks away. But just gives you little extra push gives you a little bit more momentum and motivation to maybe do a little bit more tame study, or take your diet a little bit more seriously exercises team little bit more seriously. So I feel as though you mean those two back to back, maybe rapidly improved more. So in those like, you know, four to five months, then in previous months in my career where there wasn't something right around the corner. So I like the idea, you know, they want me to get right back in there. As soon as possible, we don't have anything signed, yet, they don't have an opponent named yet or anything like that. But they told me like, you know, sometime within the next week, they would be happy that have fight again. You've been to events in America. I've never been to a card in Singapore. And a lot of these places that you're fighting in, in Asia do notice a difference in the crowd in the way that they appreciate what you're doing. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I think that the American crowded always just a little bit more rough and tumble. When it comes to, you know, screaming things from the stand, I would say that basically, like there, there are some Asian audiences that are a little bit more by particularly in Japan. But there's a there's a good mix. But the one thing I will say, is that in general, I see a lot less of the negativity. Her say that you'd see in the US not as many people booing many people, you know, saying many negative things as you hear perhaps in the US. And I, I know that I thought fan's perspective. It's not always meant as a personal thing. But you still notice it, you know, people people with a lot of booing, and like, even just during even just during not because they, they don't appreciate something about somebody's character just 'cause they don't like the way that if you don't you don't really see that much. With these fights, even if there, there was some grappling going on. And you know, in the US people think that's boring. They'll start doing and telling people to stand out like I don't I don't think you see as much from Asia on. That would be the biggest difference. I would note from one understand your you're in England right now getting NICKY. Ryan ready for his Polaris match against riot favors that accurate. Accurate name. We just flew in like thirteen hour flight over here, then, like, like two and a half hours by car to get over to pool. And that's where I'm at right now I'm feeling pretty fat is I've been eating animal fight. So I just went for like a thirty minute run before this, this interview, but everything's going pretty well and training sessions in every day with Nikki and just them ready for that match man. He's feeling that a real killer. I was watching trae with Gordon the other day and like, Gordon almost had a heart attack. So. That's always a good sick and for those who are unfamiliar with NICKY, Ryan. He is seventeen correct? He he looks like a seventeen year old but he is a fee nom. A prodigy when it comes to his brother, Gordon Ryan also. And I saw a picture of Gordon with Chatree Ciccio tongue is is he going to join you over there in one championship. I think I think Gordon definitely sees that as a possibility. I think that that him coming out to Singapore, which is difficult to get Gordon to travel internationally. He doesn't usually like that. Like he's gonna have to be if he plans fighting with one, obviously. But I think the fact that he came out there and have that top chart tree is means that it's one step closer to happening. You know, he may even take grappling matches out there. You know, just like I did one grappling match for started my enemy career with one. So I think that's something to look forward to nothing set in stone yet. But I definitely think they're laying the foundation out there just by having that meeting each other. No, I really, I really think just having a personal conversation with Chatree before I signed with one was one of the things that made me even more confident in the organization, you have really, really unique, but a really genuine on. So. Hopefully, Gordon feels the same way you know I'm obviously pushing that direction. Visit my own experiences. We'll see we ended up deciding you know, he's got a young kid. He's got a long career ahead of him in both grappling or mixed martial arts. Whatever you decide to go with. You also just got injured recently. So he's coming back from that I think, realistically, we're going to see Gordon fighting enemy. If I won't be sometime next year regardless. But yeah, man. It's, it's, it's pretty cool. If he was over in one. That'd be awesome for both of us be able to have lights out there travel back and forth Asia together and stuff, every fascinated by NICKY. Just given his age and like the way he looks in the way he competes is just incredible. And he's going up against the forty rolls in your riot favor. What, what, what make for those that don't know and aren't watching a clip of him? Right. The second in your opinion. Your opinion is the best ask, what makes him, so special, have you ever seen a kid, this young be this good at you too. Men. It's, it's crazy. It's a combination of things. It's a combination of, of. Nikki personality, EM self. And it's a it's also with the addition of I think, John, John, the enters ability to teach people in a very quick fashion. I think you, you started out with with some good working with eerie Nikki. Because men when I met that kid he was thirteen years old. He was very overweight. But other than other than that, like when you spoke to him just mentally, I could tell that he was so mature like, I don't know how about whether the time, whatever, but I was in my twenties, and I felt in certain ways that, like mentally, like the kid was already more mature the knee, which is so weird talk a thirteen year old and be like, like I feel like this can have together more than I do. So, you know, in that sense, like more so than any kids? At age, you had a kid that that could be molded into what is today. And then when he started training with me, I and then we brought him finally up to the handles with John John just the way that teacher with the systems and the scientific approach that he takes things people just get better very, very fast. You know, you take a look at Gordon on being ABC champion my under six years. I think even my myself a complete now I been training for a long time before that. But you can see huge change in my game in a very short period time about five years in terms of my submission percentages, and everything going up. So you just have the ability to people are very quick, period. And then Nikki, you know, getting winning spot in ABC. You know, most recently most recent eighty trials in a very short period of time. I don't. Nikki Sabally five years. Maybe training total. So, again, same thing, but yeah, I can't just attribute his success to know. Just one I'm not gonna say it was just John, you know, because it definitely takes a special type of individuals to come into the gym every day in work Petar, if he have, you know, he actually dropped out of school, which not a lot of people know that wasn't my intention, but that's what he wanted to do. You know, so I'm not that I can't I can't make those decisions for him. But, you know, you have to say, like, you know, for somebody who, who did that it's not like just was chilling on the couch all day like the come to training with us all day every day. Sometimes even come back to Brunswick and train at my school at night. So he spending time wisely working in perfecting his craft and I think it really it really shows that Asian that, that he has. And I'm really proud of him. And I can't wait to see you. He's already done more than I had at the point in time where where he is. And I'm looking to do even more strapping than I ever did. Also, his brother you seek you'll ever go to him as well. You know, Mickey right now is into ecstatic about the idea that may, you know, I think he's kinda like need, you know, when I see things like that happen, like what happened with stage. And, you know, John will send me a video clip of people getting at chick Kayode and it just looks like they die on the canvas like. It makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing this. But I think when he stuff like that. A not too interested in it. And you know, nowadays grappling, is more of a realistic profession. Then it was back in the day back, even when I started there was kind of like a big, boom, where professional, wrapping became a thing that people could make money doing it before that it was only teaching that you could make money. So I think he sees that now think he sees that he has a career in, in an area where he doesn't have to get in the face. And that's a feeling to him. And I can't really blame him the honest, you know, like I said, I have the same sauce myself sometimes with some of the things that I see and everything. And that's why I trained so hard every day to make sure that the try to decrease that probability because at the end of the day, it's always a possibility. You know, like we saw just one punch was like, say anything crazy wrong or anything like that and not the duck. Avia n-. So I whatever he wants to do with his career. I'm happy with. I think that if you just stick with grappling, he's gonna be one of the greatest rapper on earth, that I'm looking forward to seeing the innovations. He makes that area. Congratulations. My man on a great start to your career. It's been amazing to watch you in a little over a year. Do what you've been doing every time. It's, it's really highlight reel stuff. And this Friday was no exception. So I know you had to move some things around to do this to come live on the show today. Really appreciate it. Gary again. Congrats good luck to you in the team this weekend against your favorite. I can't wait for that. That's going to be a lot of fun. And I appreciate you coming on, and I look forward to you again. I wish you continued success in your career. Man. Thank you, so much things are supporting me and the team, and it was a pleasure to be on, you know, happy to move things around, anytime you want me on here buddy to talk to you again. Thank you all the best. There is Gary Tonen one championship star five. No. If you have not been watching his fights, you are missing out and do your so favor. No big. You have see this weekend, but they certainly have a great match between NICKY Ryan and you're ri- favor on your c pass this week. And I can't wait for that employers. That is grappling. So that'd be a lot of fun. Seventeen against forty this weekend in that match. So while seventeen year old it gets a forty year old in your favor. Let's do the ad right after this interview here because I wanna keep our next guest waiting if that's okay with you. Corporate Jake is out or are you going to are you going? Are you going to report me to HR? There you go. Corporate Jake said, we're okay, by the way. How about my bobble, head right here, courtesy of my friend? Brennan, never that Chillan. I Alba ahead. You see that, that, Aaron the bad guys amazing? Also mazing Raymond Daniels. I attended Raymond Daniels eh may debut in two thousand and eight for strikeforce and I was so excited about this. I was telling everyone about, Raymond Daniels. Next big Emma superstar, and it took him eleven years to have his second pro Emma may fight. But holy smokes that he make up for lost time, just a couple of weeks ago with one of the greatest knockouts that I've ever seen. Everyone is still buzzing in may end up being the knockout of the year. Let's say Hello to Raymond Daniels right now on the program. Raymond, how are you? I'm doing man. It's personal hundred top tier. Brad. Yeah. Manet's is great, great to be on your show and almost remember that. I kinda internet that we all those years ago like almost like goes yesterday on that hold him in may experience, that you're speaking, that do remember that we were in. I think a Dave and Buster's in two thousand and eight you're about to make your debut against Jeremiah Metcalf in strikeforce. Do you remember any of this? I won't be offended. If you say no our none of that actually actually can actually do remember. Not a whole lot of people actually knew was that I was just like this kickboxer guy, and you're always just so well versed with that. You know, when it comes to just combat sports in general, and you actually knew our was on. Okay. I remember those heavily, I remembered, I did like the you with you, you know, bag names, I definitely even who you were rather. Okay. So that didn't go your way. Like I said eleven years later, it went your way in that fight a couple of weeks ago. But why did you take such a long break in between fights? Why did you take eleven years? It took some time to stand for growth for me. I mean when I was I when I was a little bit young. I didn't really enjoy as much as that enjoy the grappling. Enjoy the wrestling as much, you know, I really my forte is karate. So I really enjoyed doing, like, stand up portion of everything. You know what I mean? That's where I could really display, my true art form. So like for me, it was a whole lot more enjoyable to be able to stand that kind of, like, you know, paint my masterpiece like that. So that's why I took me some time to do in. I've always had that in the back of my head because I went over today may Rome, when would definitely wasn't ready like eleven years ago. So just as, as a martial arts in that Dingle, the way I wanted to. So I always head that I wanted to, to come back to the may world, she make sure kinda rewrote history, her rear that pass mistake. You know what I mean? Everybody of has like little mistake, did you ever made be making life in? That was like for me, it was like to be able to go back in. And to be able to fix that. All right. So you're going to stick around now for a bit. I definitely man. I I'm really enjoying the whole grand delight in Maine the with the jitsu in the wrestling as when I was young. I didn't enjoy it so much this time now this time around, actually really enjoyed it against amazing people around me that are, that are really helping helping me off a humble. A humble lending her. That way, I cannot cannot catch speeding likelier so that knockout against Wiltshire borrows just a couple of weeks ago. Was that a seven twenty officially will was that? Actually achieve even came out with the with the pointed actually supposed to be in that she supposed to kick really close actually landed kick the ass in ended up being a punch just for the simple fact that I he used it in created more space and it would have been too far to throw the kick. So I closed the distance with my hands off. Wow. Okay. So this is something that you've actually worked on this particular sequence of events. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's something that I thrown in practice so fun. Fiancee colby. We were actually in, in train the week of the fight, maybe like two days before the fighting, you know, we're just doing some basic pie working style. And, and so she tells him to tell me this site. So during training camps, and Ivy. On the deal that I'm doing the same in twenty chicken stuff. So that's what I was actually doing. But I'm doing my training, she's on call. She was I wanted coming. Why don't you stop playing around because nobody's in? You're not gonna do that cap moving. You're actually out there fighting, and then not even twenty four forty eight hours later, actually go out and do the moonlighting shoes. Gonna tell me to playing around with inches side super surprised when he you know, when they did that because obviously something most of whatever go out there, the magic doing so. Yeah, so I just to go out there and trying to do something a little bit more spectacular. Little, some low fancier than the most only seen the movie. So that actually I think that explains it more now because when you pull off the seven twenty there's a there's a pause there. So you realize like, oh, a punch would actually be better. That's why didn't know kind of flow in one sequence. Yeah. The reason I kind of floor like just one, the reason for that is originally. I know I want to kick butt Abba, started spe I could fill him going out of range. And if I would actually throw in shape, I would've midst and been balance which thing he hit me like hit him. I was saying I want that to happen. So I didn't wanna put myself in a position where I was at a disadvantage, and you know so that's why I land in follow through with pints and. The whole torque in pop into that thing you know. Have you ever done a with a punch before? It was that the first time. I'm thinking single spins to a punch before heading from single spin by our wouldn't say a double spin until punch, but I have the double spending can recognize if I am or not gonna hit my target. So a lotta times off stop. But because I was so close in position felt I could follow up. Is there is there any way that you can actually put into words, what that feels like to, to nail the spin and the Neil the punch like that? And he goes down you walk away like that just seemed like the cleanest, knockout ever, and you could see your demeanor, you feel good in that moment. But like what is the feeling when you connect and the guy just crumbles to the ground? Is there any way you can describe that? Oh man. It's, it's, it's hard to explain everybody. I mean I mean, the filling motion of it, always your side. Just unbelievable wanted to know that actually like Landon when I threw the punch Mexico man hush hand, and, you know, I'm like, actually, I didn't really silly, anything almost, you know. Hi nice butter. You know, and it just life through and turn because the unions, don't upon Keno, without come a lot of times going to be Lao people like all this light year. That's lucky for me. I look at like retirement person does a punch in the five eight in through an accident into it with the purpose to land, some of them have in the land in happened to, you know, put the person out. So when I landed I turn to me because I thought he was if you look after the pint, turn back toward them immediately to see if he's responding. But I just see body body crumble, and, and, and I'm like, wow. Okay. And then I just threw me I walk because anything that I do for me is sometimes surprising people. But for me the things that are, that are parts that vision in my mind over and over. So it's an outcome then I'm already kind of seeing. So I'm not a guy who's gonna learn jump on the saints are just you know, kind of embracing a moment in honest. Really didn't hit me that had happened. A lot was on the plane and actually did a semi twenty pine on, on national television. And I was like, wait a minute. She did that and the column camera. So does a pretty exciting time in people are like, oh, my gosh, or something since your car, Philippine experienced that before when most Ike it's been psyche when I was with glory. Everybody called the knockout interesting. It was it was just as just as Joyal and, and just, you know, try and take it in stride down in hyper whenever the cases, you know, it's something that you re taking continue to push for with it, but great experience. And yeah I'm still still enjoying enjoying the process right now. I remember that kid employees. This one it feels like social media has grown Allott, and there's, you know, Instagram and the videos. And when that happened within minutes, it was on every major social media county as peon all the stuff I will point you realize who say that you're on the plane, but. Like I saw like Dwayne Wade commenting on it, and like all these celebrities coming, if you notice that as well. This is this is crazy stuff the recognition that you're getting for an event. Let's be honest. I was happening in, in England that wasn't broadcast live here in the United States. And now all of a sudden everyone, here's talking about you. Did you get the sense, even even in in the hours afterwards at this head exploded the way in which it did? We're you online. Did you were you getting feedback like that? I was over in the UK and for me that was that was when the big things like centers. And I mean the first one was in. Intimate, which a much larger platform and much larger audience, and, and for me. I love having opportunity to fight on that. Particularly why there were some US vice they were going on that we get a canal oversight in that weekend. And then I was Delatour UK card that was supposed to be in, you know, in the UK, it wasn't even really, you know, supposed to kind of make ways soon speak over here in the states, and the entire I for most of the mazing, so for me, too, I love to elect to form a my bathroom had my peak performance when I'm on stage are on a platform that is gonna have other great fights and events, just so I can kind of showcase what it is that I do and the difference between what you know, one person's, you know highlight reel, knockout, supplied compared to tomorrow. And so it, it hit me. Getting. Plane. People were heating say. Oh my gosh. You ESPN any. You got D wearing Tom in, you know, John Jones this peer airlines, you just may sportscenter your before, and like my phone is starting to blow them. I own my gosh. I work going on like for me. I was like I was just doing what I do. Karate students are hitting me on your TV are over the internet becoming anything, you're on Twitter, your mom, like, oh my gosh. It was a great experience to be honest for me. You know. On another day in office. Because for me, those type move that I enjoy, I really just enjoyed doing those type of moves because I love the display my staff. I know my style is totally different totally unique. I'm there are finding that do have a similar style base that come from a similar background from the store karate background Steven Thomson by page on some of those guys. But no, I I'm a little bit of a different obesity comes to step. So I'm looking forward to seeing that hockey and go in into remind version of it to the world. You know, you feel like life has changed. You feel like people view a different way you feel like you're getting noticed more now. Definitely. I mean there's a lot more in the Rheinische times. The marshawn kicked by inside of it would be my first, you know, for like, since this happened in may world is there's been a whole different recognition or notoriety has come this. So, you know, there is definitely more eyes on it and stuff. So, so yes, as been been a really big difference in infamy. I feel like these type of things I'm actually been doing, you know, pretty much my entire career. So incidence awesome. The founder Phil little bit, you know, Philo that, you know. So, you know, enforcing blast in that regard to be able to actually we've some in the wards on hard work, and I've been doing over the years. I bear misfire. Don't ask you about sage you mentioned that you are engaged his sister, Cobi. He fought in one championship this Friday and suffered a gruesome, knockout loss to Cosmo exander and, and I saw on social media that he posted that he had a nine hour surgery suffered eight facial fractures. And now you're with him in the hospital. No, you're back home now. But you were with him in the hospital could you tell us how he's doing? How are things going? Yeah. Yeah. We actually aftershocks cleaning for mile from Singapore. Something like that. I or something scary thing guy that he's, you know, can't be the surgery and stuff are they safe? It was. You know, definitely a scary time for the family. And, you know where in, in a sports very, very dangerous in stuff in regards. But he's doing okay. He had surgery simply won't disclose. Too much of whatever the case may is supposed to be four hour surgery. And then being a nine hour surgery. So, you know there was. Not anytime complications or anything like that. Just being a little more. You know, for the Dr staff have to do out there that the doctors and everybody staff around one championship, but just knowing him the name, but they, they are doing amazing job of, of being helpful and, and helping out in sage is probably the most optimistic in strongest person. I could ever imagine. You know, you know, most people when they go through any type of traumatic experience like that, you know, this, there's some some, some type of, you know, downside or whatever the case is ages, his politics in his like unmatched in. Unbelievable. You know what I mean? Know already looking at the bright side, allies in even even before the surgery Aki happens, he, he, he end ladies taking strides. He's, he's young fighter. You know, when against a vendor made a little bit of mistake in, in, in dots. The party pain is, you know, sometimes you end up having to pay the price in fortunately, he had to go through that. But, but he's doing okay. He's in great spirits. So we just continue him you know, in our love and our prayer stores and stuff like that, and we wish we actually can stay now with Singapore, but he's already made it through the surgery as doing a whole lot better. So he's congra- right now that is great to hear and, and certainly share those those good wishes. I agree with you. I mean you have way better than I do. I think he might be most positive nicest human being that I've ever come across in my life. So I'm not surprised to hear him handling this like that. You probably knew Cosmo Alexandre from the kickboxing world, and him having to fight at a way class up one eighty five feel like like were you worried about this fight. I, I know some people were saying in height said like it wasn't. The right fight today. Byu with you feel like it was a mistake in hindsight to take this fight in the in the first one championship fight. Goes on, and they prepare themselves to the bathroom, you know, to the best of their ability, you know, I'm not necessarily wanting treaties are doesn't choose as far as sages matchups, stuff like that. I think sages person capable of, of doing so much. You know, it's always came for people to kinda like Monday night, quarterback, something when they say in person should have done this or shouldn't than when I was even a police officer for many years, I always felt like that was when people always do they, they can win back on something that somebody dead in, they can always play seniors trying on things. But I don't think you know, everything is supposed to happen the way it supposed to happen. Unfortunately, this is, you know, something that he had to go through life to make him come back to show her. So when we pointed things or sales mistake from anybody anything like that. It's just I don't fortunate than happened. And then, you know he's standard is doing. It and I think he'll be stronger than ever. I think I do know that obviously dangerous opponent, even if I was fighting fighting house more he'd be a strong tough opponent for me to have their to keep boxing match or match. So. I don't necessarily like to say it was yesterday mistake or any like that from anybody. It's just, you know, an unfortunate actually happened with what we do. You know how long you sustain Singapore four. I know I think he has to be there for in-coming about about a week or two. Okay. And then he'll be able to you'll be able to come home and, and we're looking for the kind of getting back over here on this side of the world, you know, say. Say placement everything brighter sages in the kitchen. Rumors always much more energy him. So we arguments for back home, sooner than later, and he just has to make sure everything is quote of the doctors were amazing over there. So, yes, just make sure he's okay to fly home 'cause, you know, with all the to their pressure, when you're flying and stuff like that. So they wanna make sure that he's one hundred percent and ready to go and. When's your next fight, you know, yet? Our now on the Santa have anything on the bugs as she have would've liked to go and get back in their game. But I get married coming up here on the twenty four so. Make sure I get on end up in a row for that. In four days. No, no, no, no. I'll be being now August for. August, so August twenty I'm actually getting made. So the mission have any bruises on my face anything like that. So, you know, training and just anything. I mean, sure and, and honestly, they learned her from tunes well, so I'm still trying to there's a lot of our catch up on them doing that. The quick steady course for meetings, but on chaining some awesome people with Mark with my restaurant, an amazing amazing teacher. Gone down. I'm not sure if you heard a kid kids, mazing jujitsu, and he's working when we hold on as well. And there's clouds guy. So, so, yeah. I'm looking to get back in again on before the year ends for sure. Maybe around November county in the now go from there. I well, good luck topping that knockout from a couple of weeks ago that was incredible that is that is stuff. That is going to be replayed, for decades to come. Absolutely amazing. And I'm very happy for you, Raymond. It took eleven years, but you're you're back and what a way to return and not to say that you have doing great things in the world kickboxing. But I'm just talking about mixed martial arts. It was really cool to see you pull that off a couple of weeks ago and bring Birmingham, congratulations, my best to the family. Congratulations also muzzle to on the, the wedding coming up in August. And hopefully as you said sage, we'll be back home soon. Feeling feeling. Good. And I wish the best to him as well. Thanks for doing this. All right. Thanks. All right. There is Raymond Daniels. The goat himself great to have on the show. And if you have not seen that, knockout, if you're one of the few people on earth who have not seen that, knockout. Do yourself favoring check it out. 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And then I do believe, after that we're going to be joined by Michelle Beheira who had that phenomenal debut this past weekend in Rochester, also be joined by how photos Anjos, of course, one, the big fight in the main event against Kevin Lee. And just drudge still the com- the straw champion Felicia Spencer as well. But this past Friday, we got the word that time Woodley will not be returning to action on June twenty-ninth against Robbie Lawler. Fortunately suffering from a hand injury. And so wanted to get lace on him earlier. We heard from Liane Edwards, who said that he would like to fight Robbie Lawler, but last, I heard is that rob yeller as Leon alluded to? Is kind of being strategic here and really wanted the Ben aspirin, fine, if not, he wanted the Woodley fight, and right now he's not getting that so he might actually sit and wait for now though, let's say Hello to Tyron Woodley. Who's kind enough to be joining us there he is. Tyron woodley. How are you? I'm doing well thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. So tell us what happened. A lot of people don't recognize had CMC joint rebel against their fill in the first round to get him with Asha my thumb the way he locked he stepped in. I hit the hard part of the skull and point, the hit like the joining my thumb right here, basically pop the phone up didn't break it, but at trawler ligament, taxes. So Miami was basically as they of dislocation Missa chain bay. Actually considered by Coby Covington yard. Very few weeks afterwards. And I had to be roll myself. I was able to grab wasn't stat. So I began to rehab, the hand. Ninna Camara, who will fight came up and one thing about me, especially in the sport is in so many, I can't remember the last by going to the five with an injury on the dining mine, commit to it and lose draw. You know, you never hear about it on a torn AMT train in growing arriving the first time my shoulder, it wasn't quite recover from the day, my fight until, but these are things that I've naturally at night, I hit, and if I win, if I win or lose when commit to, I could appoint this cat where I starting our training. And like the by just put in the backward overly rely on Joe. It's been looking to Feis crazy kicking Kevin gas for the first strike of the fight, then that Jim Carrey me throughout the way course there until shadow and truck liberals that I just went to go the elbow instead of function. And I knew that it'd be better to win the fight in lose the fight at injuries, going to be almost double jeopardy. So you can only do that over here in my career finds his two five this is the first time I've been committed to fight, and I had to be real of us. So I was punching throw combination and Lucas pad. Then I was hit. There was spilling kinda wearing you know, they do the countdown something like that. So I'm trying to give the fans which I wanna see. But I can't really thought about hair, like third night into training train essentially may Spar and I go to throw over here, right my area. Now defending take down and have to post in my head thought to shift enough inflame. And they got to the point where I was like, am I really going to be able to do this fight James, my really going to be able to avoid properly rehabbing my have what to get maybe further damaging something about trying to zip up trying to snap trying to pick my daughter up? That's gotta be real that trying to do my best it's up about, and also to give US's brass enough notice were if the situation that they need to build the slide works about or derived, never pundit that they would have enough time to do that. So I was trying to do. A solid neces- curation because no I know spy padded after them after replacing lady, especially a fight rematch, two former champions. Try to to put somebody cloudy. Do you need surgery Ray? I do not. I'm tired of had surgery on my foot has surgery on my shoulder surgery on my head. In a moment of the physical therapy center in lay, you'll see kind enough set me up with a very hand specialist. They have so I'm gonna do physical therapy first, then I'm going to go to the hair specialist. He's gonna look at Myanmar is evaluate by hand. They'll seek the next affray. Definitely never I need back. I'm on the world to the Brown with Frank belt that go back and take by. And I don't need another social said that. So I'll be honest with you. I feel like there's a silver lining in all this, and you tell me if you feel otherwise, I didn't like this fight for you, because I feel like it would been very hard for you to top the way you beat Robbie Lawler, at UFC to one that was as patacula finish. And even if you win via third round KO, as was the first round KO, if you wouldn't be a decision they say, oh, it wasn't as good as the first time. And also, it felt like maybe you needed some time off after what happening. It's Comorros minute. So maybe this could be a blessing in disguise, my crazy here. I think everything from time. I've been in situations where I wanna go go go go go and God has a funny way of sitting down leaving to myself out of been in Arkansas. Right. Times had injuries. Surgery, I was forced to sit down force takes travelers. And having a low clock by Cal without scheduled to fight of skating agent at a blood clot by cat. I couldn't trauma can be out too late at one or two. I have pronouncing in works in games. I think sometimes guy has way of getting you to listen. Maybe take time to evaluate yourself is I would just training Joe circle your coach of fourth and the little moment. Really made exponential growth as a person as land of father, Nassir finer. So, of course, I wanna be in the you know, only as good as informers is my job is go back out there and the gate my last performance phenomenal. So I don't understand why certain things happen. But I'm starting to learn a little bit older. Too quick question. I agree with you. This fight wasn't as much for me as it was arriving. I don't need to prove anything. This is a guy that I took his for my ticket took his ability to have a larger five fight. He wants his fight back me. Immediately just leave making a show stay into to everybody else that, okay, this guy's woman, okay? Ocal fight. That's what the fans want to see the fans wanna see somebody to fight anywhere, anytime you loves the same thing. So this was my gesture though on paper. It doesn't make doesn't make a lot of Robbie this offends you guys. Let me go out there and doing it. Let me do a better in my motivation, was through about allow them to have a chance to get back not allow avid chess retaliates. And also disqualified is for more win. If I did believe, maybe gimmick, live social. Thank. I smoke you a month or so, after those been fighting our two and a half months later, what is lifelike after that fight without the bell tower you handling it? Definitely I was going through a point where you gotta to be honest with yourself. The belt wasn't everything to me was stand by that. I knew so many other things outside of fighters. Slogan that on us. For the nappy. I'm choking the aboard that I, I don't know any other US person by the level that diversify self as entertainers spider. Hosts body arch were Noor on my hands. So many different masters finish famous the groom that nobody can ever take that away the question. But when you lose the flop on that existed for chanted also the author as champion map, those things are going. I'll see who so many times to fight if he's against fighter. If you're in gills in Atlanta, and I told him the other day if I see one more time. I'm tired of China Sea coming coming up. His damn go, you have to have the bell and Starbucks saw happen to go back. From nowhere like miss your own was a moving. Adam Sandler was missing deeds. Very, very sneak 'em up pop about anywhere, and he should be happy. And you know, I wanna live to have because he earned that he beat me. It was supposed to see executed the game plan against slows arguing against worker the long time. But now might testify back my chance show the fans are great ir. That's your same area. We hear back there about us. He wouldn't have the greatest of all time, adding done, any chronic rock in cry over spilled milk after he'll fight. He would have not had the legacy. So now my to go back capture was mind. So when you when you see him view, you actually talk to them, or is it a little weird. Even if you see links of interest by what I gotta get though he's a competitor, China, his daughter, you wanna know show her that all things possible. No Nigeria coacher all of a sudden, you know, receive this huge wave for the Nigerian fighters are these because many people may not gonna eat me marketing about the word easiest shoulder. Eventually. Never never had so magazine for this moment. Chanted wanna go first? I'll never I'll never take that away from any takes too long to get to that point. A lot of focus a lot of energy. To go into just by the I just actually competed whatever fighting I would've I have voted, but don't get too comfortable. With my vote. I will show that I'm grateful to. How many times have you watched that flight? It was like out of the experience medical back down. The washer fighting find out what idea right where the world is going to be me as valuated. It's like finding RDA. They me washing the feeling that does let me so the small feel social media, I might I let them take me down at, like he was punching at me like that. I did not come out if I would have been fighting area, the way that I saw myself looking filling in the first round if my opponent was myself age looking like I was having a badger out of knock myself allow on on everything. There's no way I would've allowed myself on the fight. If he was Robbie Lawler, he wouldn't allow the other fight just certain guys. It's their smell blood. And if you see somebody's. My life support. They willing to pull the plug in. That's what I would have done the myself. So I'm I'm blessed. Certain degree that I didn't really get hurt that bad fight. My ego guard by pride. I lost something very valuable to me. And my family are for data to gets all is. Did it gets a lot of bursary and this lot of politics did it against the best in the world? I was fighting super fights. I was fighting the specialists number continues. People the rest of the Beijing, had a terrible time out in immense, something to so looking back those clips me and my coaching staff do they Eric von decide. They don't make sense. Look at shake it off, as just get yourself this. Let's get back on the ball. Make training funny. Thank you. Thank you. Leaving to go out like that. You think I'm gonna just go out and the happen that go from building game I like that. I come from I come from that so no, absolutely. You don't ever want to go back in sprinter? But I've been to way worse in losing the chase of those shot at thinking the gang fights ran from fifty people chasing me finance to me, there's really not. You mentioned all the stuff that you've been through, and it, it somewhat reminded me of what we heard from rose last week. And she said that she was actually relieved after losing the fight after losing the fight to drudge and losing her belt subsquently. Is there any part of you that shares those sentiments sympathizers with what she was saying in terms of, like, now, you don't have to deal with all those politics? I, I know you wanna get right back in there. But is there a part of you? That is just somewhat relieved that you don't have to go through that at least right now. A long time for a long time for that. We just talking about mental health suck out. Fresher in. I of committed mentally started to shed committed mentally as far as port of you have see the support group for fighters because we are taught so many times, more time tonight to go against each other to talk kit against each other to have that bloody each other, but we are networks really think about it. If I got a project coming out movie music, the whole, you have see roster should push that if they got something coming out on movie book of artwork something outside yesterday. We should be able to tap into their that shouldn't start, which is other projects that she go to and having a conversation as I talked to pad out talk the road. I can really attest, a lot of I can attest lot of stuff of a mentor or hide this because pressure. I'm different than her built but she just run a fight out. I'm Bill for the I'm no for the politics. I I've been having dirty I can do it at this whole time. If I was built for our never been able to stay by championship status. I was devas- the office, I'll became using the pressure became USA aided used to on the things that went with champion. No, quite scout. I was a best champion New York. She had when it came down to needing somebody that would be marked with somebody represent the scene with integrity, somebody that will come out the number continues time and time again, the person that would always show up as he professional always show of makeweight always show up in answer the questions when have you ever seen showering from interview did interview not by name court may spark interviews chills in Las. I'm never shied away from you'll positive feedback for they back negative comments by inbox into the positive. I really formed away to become indifferent because our fans are like the Aleve going to treat. Once I what time they on the side of the fence other time they blows I recognize that don't really take heart. So I'm I'm Jefferson lachey? Like that means something this, this empty void them is many people hit the of this. I don't feel right that he would share. You look like a check Africa Chaffee, compass everything that is not him saying he does it. But as far as someone suited for the throne seat, you know, for like this. See smile. Cozy either breaking the leather in see time. This is a long time. Joint keeping war coming back. Is there any part of you that feels like maybe you put too much on your plate in hindsight? You've got so much going on with the movies and the music you just gotta lot. You mentioned all the stuff your father. They do feel like maybe you need to clear some stuff in order to get back on that path to get the belt. I don't think I don't think was too much about it is, I've always said, so much. The fans are just not getting the see that because I'll give you access our show. You check, Capri life, and I'll show, you, we don't jeopardy while out alive dropping album fries, but I've been doing up a hundred Said's forever record. I did. I mean, I'll let you hear some of the stuff before. I came out way back with this album, recorder pharmacy year as you try to use the proper back on that after a big victory, too shy. Utilize to release ten rate the way the ride the wave out. So it's really a marketing team, there's things at that maybe often have shelf different time maybe a few songs that work on this album away, though, them, maybe some of the shocked or some crazy arguments. What everything that took my mind away? Hey, I gotta micromanage. I. Best. I am Bess what I'm in chaos, I had to come to our John Joe said a while, though he didn't train in between camps on like him. I thought I was only run. It was kinda my secrets. And if you notice John, I'm not comparing myself job because, in my opinion, he may be the best may ask asking ever see giant has had so much pass is life outside, occupy the, he's always managed to hone in, in South Africa founded don't run from don't have. I'm Bill got built use our way and say the summertime in the renaissance man was a man that did a lot of things. Good did not scrape. That was his ad. That it me. I won't I won't sit on gifts. I won't sit on this guy gave me. Because if you sit on your barium, they get taken away, somebody else who saw ongoing, it's dog I whatever way, I can whether to finding whether Susic weather's through. Entrepreneurship on probably going to be the best in public. Speaking of telling you stories in how I made it through the how I know Kate from furthest as through all the odds are found a way to successful. I'm gonna be better public speaker, I'm gonna expire more people to motivate were pew that are like minded or came from a similar background. Or maybe have the same complexion. I'm gonna be able to get through to better than somebody that has. And that's where my end goal is. So I need my platform by any my phone back. I need for people to see me far out. It's like it's like crawled up like Spiderman, the Empire State building area all took so long, so many years so many people thought I was crazy. Even the chicken. I got all the way up the right. And I lose my powers at the time I feel, I can fight ahead of battery packs, Nash out of my back. Download and then a fall from the top it. So probably so embarrassing. Everybody sees it takes a long, and then when you hit that rock bottom, you look, it is it became to become intimidated, damn. I worked hard to get up there. And it makes you feel like this going to be so hard to get back to the Chelsea trip at any I got there, once I got there twice. And now it's gonna be third time. We're gonna make that one. I'm on my back. I'm endoscope. Mantar in appreciate you doing this get well soon I hope your hand improves, and you could take some time to get back to one hundred percent. And then you get those big fights to get you back on track to getting that title. I really appreciate doing this on short notice tyrant, thank you so much. All right. There is turned Woodley stopping by great to hear from him and certainly wish him. Well, unfortunately, that fight isn't happening on June twenty-ninth, but as I said, it could certainly be a silver lining for the former and potential future. You see welterweight champion as well. All right. Let's move along now and say Hello to our next guest. He stole the show on Saturday. In Rochester, people still buzzing, after what Michelle pa- I did in his UFC debut against Danny Roberts. If you've been watching him outside of the U of see up until this point you aren't surprised by some of the moves he showed up before the fight during the fight after the fight. He is a human highlight reel. It's unbelievable. What this man can do, and he is kind enough to be joining us right now via the magic of Skype, Michelle. How are you? Famish show. He stole more into Israeli really good. Okay. Thank you very much for the translation help as well. So we shall events on the victory on Saturday in your UFC debut people like I said, still talking about it. I'm wondering if we can start with the walkout you were very emotional, walking out your openly crying. Why were you so motion as you are about to enter the cage? Liberal civil thermal time with him. Achievable Musalo, the progressive quicklime, which even. A major about towards. L. I want stocky necessarily each to. So now the poor kid and also at a on Donna Kelley, cohere dodo FC days. You could also changed his selling cata. Come up little doing down moving. We'll still out. First of all, thank you so much for having me here, I was really motions, because it was always my dream to get to the, to the path to the UFC, and now I'm here. But thank you. Is that the first time in your career that you've been that emotional before fight than? And if so I'm wondering, because the announcers were talking about how it might affect you how you might not flight at your best, because you were so motion, I'm wondering if you were worried about that as well. Qua come with coin which he will flip to persuade Luther people succeed in force over show appeal because of the muscle. I'm also give Chevy. No matter Apollo another book. You'll have a moment to being put up out of a moon to being three hundred. It was swing a put a similar Mansoni. Being if he said, but getting it under show in tone to kill fees or champion, neither shot chance on your high Q, change his rallies out Macau basing dome chain sped. His emotion did not bother him in the fight scenes. He was really prepared for it. He really worked for it. He is kind of person who is working on a time or what he wants sewing this fired. He really did what he wanted, and he's really glad of what he did did that go better than you expected or were you expecting to show off the arsenal? The moves that you did. In other words, is it possible that your debut exceeded your own expectations? Let's asset fisherman daughter, Cuba, say ever face is when Jia, oh, let's ask phase, minimal knows your fees, looters more mellow multiple. Ilan Cosa game on straw, mutual lotta to happen. Don't you tamper? You must usual will kill Katya fuzzy in town for Amitai. I follow your what you. Okay. Hughes fight on this fight. It wasn't the best one he ever did. Because he didn't have enough time to show his move for his fans and everyone, so he wants to give you Eric. Second. Move to it. So she is me emot- grown up is via via ki moon turquoise, ended up Mostra bottle could say. If you go to his Instagram, Facebook and all these social media, as you can see that his fight it can be way better than these, he can show way more capacity on his fight. He can show way more talent and what he is because the didn't have time and his go onto containers. Fish? No efficacy for a moment. Polka coys chief Tampa, Linda mistletoe, unusual going the van Dookie Khidir fuzzy me, formally tackle mean on this five on the Europe. See he's still didn't have enough time show everything he wanted. So his waiting for the next one don't want to have will Sing Tao. Guardia inky, log, log will. And I mean, applause small little Sparrow, mush lotto, do Moshel, so on his next fight who really wants so his show, his whole show show, what is capable of his is moves. Is it true Michelle that you were going to actually flip on, Danny Roberts, but the referee stopped you when you when you knock them down to the ground at the end was that your plan is that true? Because I think you might have been this qualified if you did that. So I'm happy that he started. It sounds like it is. We're. Asking for their own little Dale us, reach barrow. Power like any more mantha ill. It will lay your out, Saul to is sock, you'll alive in three point two hobby doing Michio mice DOI's signals get chairman, dial the little shyer tavern, Vicky nephew measuring in shock out, Bava, one majority. I'll south motorists from went to happen on this fight. They Jerry was really really fast. So if he had chill more seconds he was already going nice to him and going on. Axiom. Who, who taught you the style where did you come up with these, these moves was it? Just all you or someone actually teach you this. Can't you see all this move is, is today as, as Putera at the locus device or also amazed will say may some sewn, clear stories, meals, AO bills that thing great. You keep us me don't own land to. Daily talent key sorry was a thing of him. And then he thinks God gave it to him. He started his style, and then all this move that he does. It's his own moves. Great, you can promote across my vase vocal CJ about those who we do. I sit he helps in the next fight, he's gonna give good black famous rapes and stuff. So well back while they're in the city show, Mandorf saying, so way for him, he's going to be the show man in the UFC army robot Mellors. And it's gonna go to the best ones. My understanding is that you are actually kicked out of your house, as a ten year old and you had to sleep on floors in karate DOJ Joe's and really be on your own. Is that true? And if so, why are you kicked out of your house at such a young age? Ever lashing. Fully condemned on dodgy also Kaiser was the meal being infected cheese, the meal known Makasi bowl. No, no. Actively spoils from the house. Those dodger cheeky though, my this is on have either. Key? I for him. Badeah doc- to Kumar Cassidi you kill kill model. If it wasn't on ten years old. It wasn't he was twelve and he wasn't kicked out of his house. He had a chance to move from Tacoma Chuma. Now's if his mother, but he didn't he he chose to stay into camman napata our, his with his aunt and uncle dodger ghetto, Mercer. This is equally money, brought up. I'm anals army. He LA Guardia view that you've got their oil chance of this is on you fica into combined Renault karate. He ISA guess, eulogy jot letter, so he chose stain to camman with his family, his mom, and he wanted to learn well, how to fight and Cava athletic live. So that's why he chose to stay. And now what your Manala his mom? Bill's going to get this guy into Kumar it right now. Karate usually stumbles. Are you happen to my to suit para? So thank God, he made the right decision. He said and. We older that she didn't he would have made the same the he wouldn't have changed anything because he's representing to command from Bara, and you're, I think it was either Crotty fighter amateur FAI. Is it true that it just lasted seven seconds or coach put you in there without any experience whatsoever? And that's kinda how this whole thing started few. He just he after a few weeks of training, put you in there and you, you win a fight in seven seconds via flying knees at true, but it has down. But it has give us the Cassini said. Putting a little of forty for such wounds in our culture. Quasi either, don't change usually saying this checkout out there. Callan rutile coons aside. Chan's change the side channels on the followed. On this side. He was seventeen years old. And yeah. As it's true that he knocked the guy out with seven seconds. Does his knees. He just grabbed his knees and to his face. So. What do you say to people who say that, you know, you're being too much of a show off that you don't need to do all these flips and things like that? You're being disrespectful to your opponent. What's your response to that? Bossed Cuando oversaw follicles assignments, his bay of tortoises scum by authors. Material that kid in the most our McCoy's there. Coarser kill. We could each commits winter specials fell out on mile allowed got a quiz by got of course you see who know Radok was out of the. Oh his life. Everyone around him said it was something that you don't do in a fight something that a clown would do and something that you don't do that. But he always like that's my way of finding and I wanna keep doing that. Go to kill sprucing pandals Gill known stole graphical gang killing Stu this bay Tony game. Chula kill create bottom mean kill Velu tunnel put us, Jim. He really wants to people to understand that is he's not making fun of anyone. He's not pretending he's the best in the fight is just the way he likes to find the way he knows how defied and these way is how he wins cupola in Amir's Lewis. Down on your show. I saw gay Aki name moves out at the ocean staffers who kill to qualify at down respect talking, the wound up as Keita shallow to keep passing rests. Keep bag on his own plastic shells is normal show. Gosh dot show what specials so his get his goal in every fight. It should give a show to everyone. So he, he likes to win, of course. But his main goal is should give show everyone that by the ticket around to go see him and enjoy his fight. So what he's doing is, basically, giving show to the people that is watching him in thumb while Luther universities, noon, cone, wrong presence Lupu shot that your boss. Obey this job will say cannot his demise while the shelter. He promised everyone. That is watching this right now that you never seem a barring fide that he's gonna give he's always going to try to give his best ten always gonna try to do something, different and something more. I don't know create him in. Title his fight a driven. The experienced doing break dancing, or things like that, because I feel like you'd be an unbelievable dancer. Have you done this in the past? What's going gonna spend any shadow sound? Oh oh committed. Asking than fat inciting alleged civil adore outlet. You'll dollar G does on L urology coma freak rather than to the emir. These, you don't say the allergies zoom by, at all because body coma. Chee by Charta. Intone outdone. Suffice. Spongy me awash, the window saw, he asks he does not much dance really well, and he does he know, she gave of Zomba. He knows what she. Kinda dances, and Jaffa. Right. So he knows how to that it definitely seems like everything changed after your fight in Rhode of see back in December because those are crazy fight. I mean just lasted what forty one seconds. But that clip was shared everywhere. Why do you and you know, you're, you're what you're twenty three and nine or twenty two and nine. So I mean you've, you've been fighting for quite some time. Why do you think that flight was the one that got you out there? And I think got you on the US's radar. Okay, let's kick calendar, the flea super happy, but give us ash castle with a fellow the key. She don't chill commit Salma hitter. Feazel. Throws in your tras Lucia fees movements. Give. Kentucky's miznal now Amedure comb, stolas ago audio Asha Kyodo, simple kid, Starbucks mounting partner bake volume millions of dollars who Santa's. Thanks, showings, at Deutsche, Atlantis Munthe important. Scary dot e Ochida Southend, sewn do do. That's a little bit though. Oscar for graduate school, little heaving always doing this moves and non forever single find that he does. But he thinks because of Jay Zhifei. What is your baby? Edge don't tournament during a million. He was saying because it's one million dollars tournament that everyone was watching. So that's probably the why it actually went viral. Okay. And I heard that he weighed around one hundred ninety eight pounds. You looked way bigger than Danny Roberts. Is that true? He weighed twenty pounds more than you wait in it. You're actually fighting at one hundred ninety eight in a world tweet fight is that accurate. GM was it? Quasimodo 'producer-pays. I gotta. Sink. Briancon tequila take on their new harvest. You today, such. Kilo sner. So he took seventeen kilos on these fire. Feel if you can change phones my head. Yeah. And you can make seventy no problem. It's unbelievable. I mean you look like a way class above him last thing for you. Who do you want next? Came across who. Ill giada plant. Temple is sample. You'll tackles minorities auspicious coping with. Good thing on my Greg zone. Yeah. Scorpio. He's got the yearbook tackles office. Healings wanted to being the youth, Sybil ran out who he really wants to fight is comes in. Got. Conor mcgregor. Yes. Snake? D S. That is who's Mellors category? Own chances of his category. Okay. Wait a second. Jackie have you never heard of Conor McGregor. Is that what you're telling us right here on telling you right here, that is unbelievable? Well, you did a great job translating, by the way, well, done to you. And well done to Michelle, this is amazing. They call you demo dole and I believe that's their right there devil in English. You certainly are. Certainly our daredevil my friend. It's been a lot of fun watching you and what a debut we haven't seen a debut like that in quite some time so bands. Congratulations on the victory and I'm looking forward to the next one. Thank you very much. All right there. He is Michelle Beheira demo dole. How about Jackie the translator never heard of Conor McGregor. That's unbelievable. I thought everyone knew who kinda McGregor was amazing. All right. Well, that's a good transition for our next guest because he fought in the main event of that card in Rochester, which featured the likes of Michel ahead of Felicia, Spencer, who we're going to talk to in a bit as well. But RDA have failed though, Sancho stole the show on Saturday defeating Kevin Lee in the main event via submission great performance. Great bounce back win for the former UFC lightweight champion kind enough to be joining us right now. How fell whereas, I don't know is the on the phone. Oh, there he is fell. How are you? Very good. Thank you for having me area, a pleasure as always congratulations on the win, by the way, did you have a chance? I know you were getting ready for the fight. But did you have a chance to watch and shells flight, you seem all doing the flips and all that stuff? Now I heard a lot of him. I heard here he did great stuff on the fight, but I didn't have a chance to watch his fide. Okay. Yeah. I understand you were getting ready for your own so great performance. You get back on track. I heard that you said afterwards that have felt like a weight was lifted off your shoulders because of the losing streak try to reassure yourself once seventy on this Monday. How do you feel now that you're back in the in the win column? Yeah. Matfield great to all home. You know after eighteen months have in my, my hands. Raise it inside the octagon my last win was against Robbie Lawler, December two thousand seventeen and I felt Koby whose Mun back to back, but I'm you know, thank God. I got a got back. I'm back in the winning winning path how much were the losses weighing on you. Like did you feel like this was a must win situation for you fell? Yeah. Especially I was I was I was I was trying to not put so much pressure on, on my shoulders. But I I was on that situation for chill times in my life. I lost two in a row on me. See the view. And then the four I move up division. I'm I lost you is in roadshow after lose my belt, and I was able to turn things around and get some winning straight. And I feel that I'm on days in this situation now and calving moving up the vision he was big. He was Sean fast. But in I felt like what's kinda in a bit of risky, because he hit it had not you lose on that fight just came like Joe fide. And I think but I was able to, to put my strategy news make speed. And so my favorite. I thought he started really well. I thought he looked really good in the first round where you surprised at all, by the way, he fought in that first round, did he did. He catch you off guard at all. No. He didn't hit in Iraq me on any time and night Neil, he'll come strong. I knew that. But that was salt part of the plan. You know, Kip aware him down even he was sporting against the fans that was being like making walk being having on him in all making what card and trying to, you know, I knew as if I go forward OBI, a lot more advantage for me. And that's how the thing play out. Okay. And then obviously, the fight went on you began to pick up scene, but he also began to lose some steam, he, he started to run out of gas. Could you feel that? And if so, how soon in the fight, did you feel like did you start to feel that in the second round that wasn't as quick wasn't as strong? Yeah. Yeah. I was feeling that he was in no guessing out the little be. And, and but, you know, I think once I think once say I felt like putting might take down to and shutting off. He's staked down in. They him down that, that, that play a big part big mantle game on that fight, and I was able to be on top chew, and they can dollar. I think that, that change defied to feel like this narrative that he ran out of gas is almost like taking something away from you. That it's not giving you enough credit. Sorry, say it again, like a lot of the talk after this fight is that. Oh, kevin. Look good. But then he ran out of gas. You feel like it should be no half L. Maybe whether the early storm. But then he actually like, you know, executed the game plan and was the reason why he ran out of gas like you feel like you're not getting enough credit after this kind of. People a lot of negative it negatively all day. I it always going to say, you know, and he held up good until the fourth, but in that was that was proud bottom strategy, you and I think it's about wanting more in that I want that fight more. And I don't give in on I you know, I was with a good cardio in a good day, good spirit. And, and I, I don't I don't listen this, this negative, you know, if the fight didn't go your way you were going to keep fighting right? Like your career wasn't on the line here. Correct. No, not at all. You know that will be I got that question four and that fight. But I say Ed, you know that they not even cross my mind like lose their five that that wasn't an option for me in. I wasn't playing with that option. I, I knew I have to win. I you know, I wasn't it their fight so much. But of course, not my Korea. I'm thirty four years old forty forty five forty professional fight, but it's I still got a lot on me. And I'm on this game for a while. Would you like your next fight to not be against the wrestler, would you like to see a different kind of opponent next? I don't care. I show I show. That's why I took the five week, adding a lot of people say, all the wrestler gonna be the same thing. But, you know, I took him down. I took I took Kobe down to is if I'm not wrong, and, and I was able to stop his take Dahl. He he just put him against the fans. And I thank sometimes that game on the for the judge size and it looked like a bit bad. But that was part of my strategy shooter. No make him carry me there. I know I have my Suda missions attempt. And but I don't care whatever you have see think I was in. I thought maybe but baddest, but you have see already put some book bad as and they DMZ Anna high. But that's a lot of options out there will see. Well speaking of options earlier in the show Leon Edwards whose want seven. And rose said that he would like the fight you an Abu Dhabi. Do you have any interest in this fight? We'll see what you have c I have shown that far on the on the to be on that on that card. They'll be good at forty Dhabi. If not, I think, in two thousand twelve two thousand ten I think falling DIVY was in a good energy and that could be. But, you know, I think I have all the people on my Rader, you know, even even. Corner. He's still t