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Jon Shubow, Serpcom -023
"Welcome to the profiles and the American dream pod cat on KO, but twenty years ago, I wrote a book with the same title as. Podcast. Normalcy successful businessman my own domestic uses. She had some common characteristics, including humble beginnings credible. Overwhelming struggles of in Indiana. Success? You on the wildest dream each of my new gas. We'll all have stories that are just as intriguing and not more. So join me as we engage entrepreneurs, many different fields of work unlocking secrets and inspired people across the country. That did dreams to cheat. These download and subscribe to this podcast and let you know what you think eating rating in review. Welcome to profiles of the American dream, Tim Caygill your host, and I enjoined on this episode by John shoe is that percents correctly. Correct. Calm right. What what is Serb com? John syrup com is a digital marketing agency, and we got the name from what everybody uses they don't realize it, but the user syrup every day as search engine result page, so when they go to Google, and they do a search it gives them a syrup. Okay. We are a search engine result page company, and it's an acronym. When did you start the company? Well, I came to the QCI about the UCI's the Quincy center fern invasion invasion race in December of two thousand fourteen. I was still working for gatehouse media. I stayed out and still have my full time. My health insurance everything. I knew I wanted to do something. I didn't know exactly what I didn't have a name, but the name, but you never company company name, and what made you think that you still working right gatehouse media newspaper. It's a owner of the patriot ledger and owns papers all over the country. Right, right. I actually started on the team that started the wicked local network. Okay. Was the web developer. And when we when did you start with gatehouse about ten years ago years ago? Okay. So you still working still working? And like I said, there's no did you feel like the clock was ticking. Or is it what made you think about our? I'm going to spend some money rent a space that I don't have to rent because I got an office to go to right? What made you think of sort of starting this, or what's going on in your mind that I think entrepreneurs have it in their blood? Yeah. Always added my blood. And I mean when I was ten years old. I got a snow blower. I said how can I make money with this? Okay. And I knew that the newspapers were sort of dying. They didn't really get the web, right? Yeah. And I felt like I was one of the dinosaurs. That saw the meteor coming and I'm running around saying guys, we got to change. We've got to do something, and nobody was listening. So K I saw the writing on the wall and people were coming to me and saying, gee, I have a website, and nobody can find it. What did I do wrong? Can you help me because for house? I did the SEO and and taught editors how to write. Okay. So you would doing the technical backoffice part of at gatehouse media, right? I had a particular skill people were looking for. Okay. I saw one. It to, you know, do my own thing. And yet that's what I did what just to talk about newspapers from it because it's fascinating a longtime newspaper reader, although I read far less in per paper newspapers today than they used to. What what was what happened? What would it? They miss. It was was the gravy train? Just going so strong with classified ads, and you know, the business model was going so strong. How did they miss this this seismic disruption that is really just turned the newspaper business upside down? What's your opinion of how they did that, you know, one of one of the problems, and they taught us in in web development school and web designers never repurpose print for the web. You can't think of it as just print on the web. So they were basically print people that headed ingrained in their in their system, and they had this quaint notion that instead of the newspaper coming on your door. You would sit down with a Cup of coffee in the morning, go to the homepage at read the news to find out. And what people were doing is when they heard a car accident in our fire early with Google fire in Boston or something like that. And that's how would get the news. Way. Google is your biggest customer, and they were very thin-skinned. And they said one person said to me g. I didn't go to NYU. It'll learn to write for Google. It's all about my beautiful voice. And. I had one manager. Tell me that. My job was useless. Because the internet was a fad it'll be going and five years in the future is in print, and we have to our job is to fill those little bog lender with that guys doing now. Exactly. So, you know, internet was a fad I had someone else who said that at one point that I know, but he wasn't in the business that was disrupted by. By what the internet is what Google and Facebook done, really because it's the it's the search engines, and it's the social media that have really disrupted newspapers. And and then it's a younger generation that doesn't feel that they need to pay exact stra money for and they don't like I mean, I like the idea of reading a newspaper, but it is a messy process. I have to always wash my hands. I'll always all have ink all over the house. A lot of young people. Don't a lot of people don't but young people 'specially just don't like the the actual process of reading a newspaper. Yes. Yes. And and they also want to wait for the news. That would that's the other conceit that the news industry had that we're going to wait till five AM the next day or seven or eight when the newspaper delivered to find out what happened, and you can find out at three AM, you can find out at two AM, you could find out before you went to bed and very few of the print media. Sources actually saw that the. Couple of quick stories. They was when the patriots won the Super Bowl. The online headline was dynasty. And nobody could find the story about the patriots winning because they were going Super Bowl and the editor put dynasty a great print, but they were thinking print. It's great to see the big headlines on the front page. But. The just the they didn't they didn't get the internet. One on the one issue with the water county. I work with the tour, and he was a breeding everything I said those were the days when we worried about England paper costs there is no abbreviation I on. He would always right police department department of public works high school. I said you gotta put Watertown in front of it. And he says to me why doesn't Google that. It's the Watertown tab and the light went on. And I said, no, no, no who doesn't know what. People don't understand is Google doesn't understand context. So each word any all the text is important, the Google or they don't get it. But if you're a plumber, and you have a page on your website are services, Google is desperately trying to figure out what service services interesting. So that's that's my digression into the newspaper business. But obviously you sorry. So in two thousand fourteen was this two thousand saw this today. I got higher right? But I'm saying two thousand fourteen you took action. Well, yes. Okay. Phys- physical action. You rented a space at our cuisine obation center. Yes. Which which is wonderful, and it's one month at a time making a long term commitment because you don't know what you're what the future's going to hold had no idea. And then so what what did you do from there while I knew I had the skill. And I I did some work on the side for people. I said, gee, you know, let me start building websites. They had a couple of clients, and we. Sided we started doing it. And then I met some other former gatehouse people that I had worked with Steve. And he was salesman for online sales right Ehlers, and we teamed up, and we started growing, and and here we are. So you corporated the name serve com. Are you? Right. You know, you come up with the name right away. Right. You started designing websites. So what is it different? What is Serb com? Do different than a lot of when people are thinking about websites developing or building a website. They go to work presses is square. There's a number of places they can go the looking at the look and the feel and and and the presentation page right surp-, come look at what we do at syrup commas. We break the traditional mold of how websites were were built when I built a lot of websites at at gatehouse. And I realized that there's. A fundamental flaw in the entire process. What that was was guessing what people were looking for a lot of the stuff was built on guesswork. There was no. Analysis done his as to how people are going to find. There was no strategy involved. There was no keyword research, though. There was no due diligence done say what people are way. How people gonna find me? How how's this going to help my business? Right. So exactly what we do is. We do the due diligence. I do the research. I so what we call ourselves. A search. I so typical website company will talk about your favorite colors, which message and Junie logo and kind of pictures you like, and so the analogy is they can build you a beautiful race car animal sitting your driveway with no engine, right? As what we do is. We try to figure out what's the plan? Your website has to answer. What people are searching for an interesting story is we had a client from Portland, Maine. And she said, oh, I'm an interior decorator. So we'll wait a minute. Let's do the. Research and nobody you're searching for interior decorators very few. They're all searching formative designer so is one hundred thousand more monthly searches for those terms guess what you're not interior decorator. You're an interior designer. And that's how we built the website. I so what we do is. We figure out the Bill. The your business marketing strategy based upon what people searching for interesting interesting. So tell me some other examples of of sort of that kind of a website at some lose someone comes to you for that kind of thing. And that you've discovered it because I don't think people truly understand how search engines Google being the major one out to talk about any other ones Google is, you know, how do they work, and how do you take advantage of what they do because for lack of I mean, they are monopoly would ninety three percent of searches in the entire world. Through google. I think the number or something. So if you're not really reacting to what they're doing you. You're lost. Right. Exactly. So tell us tell our audience how Google works, and then how you take advantage of how Google works. Well, Google works in two basic ways, you either have advertisement which paid ads the things that you see at the top that come in at the top. That's little ad people are paying for that. That's search and PPC. Then this what's called natural organic search. And that's how your website comes up naturally. So what happens is why people pay Google the money is because their SEO is so bad that they not coming up for the normal cir- or it's not good enough or they wanted to something different. So instead of investing money into the website. It's easier to. To buy right? It's really not a good way to do it. Because a lot of people don't understand that. If you do natural as the oh, and even if you pay Google what you're gonna pay is going to be a lot cheaper. Because you're not forcing something bad onto Google that Google has to pay for I see. So what you have to do is have to bake. We say wing big the SEO became words and everything into the back end into the DNA the site. The key word here is keywords. All right. No pun intended. But everyone talks about what what what is. What is the key? What is key words? What does that mean? And how does that work? One of the key words. The key words are here. It's we build a report based upon the intersection of the personas the people that you're trying to reach okay and your services so for. For example, if you're a plumber, and you do kitchens way have a process where we interview and we organize all of your services. And what are you looking for some people are looking for emergency plumbing? Some people are looking for some services are new residential development or commercial plumbing, someone's residential. So we get all of these factors. We analyze your business. And we figure out what you're trying to offer or what you're offering. And then who are the likely people the recipients of the customers, and where they intersect that becomes a goal that we do an analysis for one of the key word so a little bit. It's sort of an art and science, right? So you have to sort of. You know, what always amazes me? I get these emails from India. They wanted to SEO of the can't even speak English. How? I mean, you have to have the native tongue to understand in SEO and Boston might be different from SEO and other place. Right. Right. So you have to you know, don't analysis. One of these words how to intersect and we built a report, and then we implement at into the into the building of the website into the hard made. Sure that those words are everywhere on every page while it's not only the word. It's the final names of all the images. People don't realize the depth and the minutia that goes into this. It's naming the file names of the images with hyphens onto scores separating the key words, the URL paths. It gets kind of technical. But people have the concept that SEO is like they'll build us at all the like. You can't put lipstick on a pig. Right. Right. You know, it's not a coat of paint that you can slap on later. It's gotta be baked in from the original building process and that about that's key to the whole game to the whole process, and you guys also design websites. So once you baked with the ingredients in you can also put the icing on the cake afterwards, right or as part of what you're doing. So you you can do to design the pretty pictures and the design thanks to the QCI. We met a beautiful first class designer who was doing WordPress and coding, and you know, we got together. And now we're keeping him so busy, and he became a part of us, and you can have a really good design plus the SEO plus on top of that. It's not just the beauty of the design when you have to have a design that converts. In other words, you want people to sign up by something that has to be designed. With the the goal in mind and not just pretty pictures that at the answer around, right? People have to be able to purchase it at register cases, Quincy chamber clumps register for events and also to be kind of seamless, correct? And you build that in. So you're full-service full stop website SEO rise. I do Google ads PBC display campaigns. And that's very tricky. Because my advice to people never Evan to what your self find out what the commission is some companies are charging fifty percent. So if you think you're spending dollars a month on Google, they're taking a five hundred dollar management fee. So you really, yes. So you do that. Well, we'll do that. But we don't do fifty percent. Right. Right. Right. So you do as well in the advantage of having one company doing his because it's all about the analytic. So we analyze what ads is working what isn't working. So we do AB testing. And we can be nimble. We can switch the adults. Okay. Have at. That's not performing. If you have some words are performing we know instantaneously, and we can change it rather than a company that's going out and hiring three different companies to do. Three different. So if you're doing an ad within your business as part of a special on your website. That's when you might wanna buy extra arrive, you what to buy ads on Google lag shows and the key. And again, I'm functioning illiterate as a as a tech technology person. But the key from what I understand is. You wanna rise up you want to be on that first page when you Google something. Right. You want your product or your website to show up on that first? Because most people what is what is the percentage of people that go beyond the first page. It's not very high. You know, let's not very I Google often when I'm trying to find something and go into seven or eight or nine pages if I have to especially if I'm doing radio show, I wanna get I wanna get a little bit more diversity of thought when I'm trying to do some research, but most people again most people googling to look up something to find something. Right. And what your services, which your company does is help them fine. Find you exactly you know, so start. So you come into the QCI Quincy center for innovation by yourself at the beginning. Rent a space, you still working for gate house when when did you decide to separate and just go all in? Well, I didn't really make the decision. What made the decision for me is. I had cancer. Okay. I on when I told gatehouse I had cancer they decided to terminate me. Nice. Nice. But anyway, that kind of forced the decision and in a way it was good because it it. It gave me a chance to you know, to do something interesting. I you know, it's I've had a number of guests on his show. And it often comes up that. When I ask people how they get into a business. It was because of either a personal or a family tragedy or a crisis. It didn't choose it kinda chose me kind of thing. And that's what cancer did for you. Worst force. My voice my hand forced your hand. It's a it's a it's a cold way to to for to happen. But I was planning on it. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It was not like at least I got something in mind to do. Right. So then you had a fight your cancer to fight the cancer beat it. I had a beat the cancer. Yes. But you did. And then at the same time, you're kind of running a business. I mean, he didn't drop out. Right, right. You were opening in running this business guys with me to hell care. Good between. So you started this with a team? It was. It was a bunch effort team effort, and how difficult is that? You knew these guys, right? Guys. I don't know if they're all men, but you knew these people from your time at gatehouse, what's the challenge. What what's the chance presents you as you try to grow business? Now you've been in it for almost four or five years, you're trying to grow to the next level. And then what are you? What do you? How what does that struggle like? And how do you over come that struggle of getting the right people into hit miss g succeed in fail of you've had pretty good luck. In terms of getting all those folks pretty good luck. You know, it's a startup. It's financial costs though. Sometimes you have to give people equity and deals, and that's what stuff so just can't go in the some of the people that we would like to we just you know, they need to get paid. Right. Right. So it's you know, but I think everybody is more devoted to this. It's more of a level two passion passionate or something. Yeah. When are you clients as Faneuil hall? Mark. Nice, right. You've built out pretty extensive pretty vibrant website for them. And that's a challenge because it's not one company doing this for this hundreds of companies within Faneuil hall, right? Malls are on that dinosaur lists. They're sort of hang and we're trying to invigorate them and trying to give every tenant and Faneuil hall of voice. So actually, we have a multi network where each tenant has their own mini site. So there's maybe about one hundred fifty one hundred eighty sites on that make so people can come to the Faneuil hall. Marketplace website that you design and then look through to see the individual stores. So these people can then sort of self promote from within. Right, exactly. The the content on the mini site surfaces on the main site and rotates around so that the tenant can get the benefit of the main site where everybody goes to. Yeah. I want to ask you about your journey from the beginning. You said you started out when you ten years old snow blowing? And so what has been your sort of professional journey throughout from ten years old up to where you are today. How'd you get to where you are today? It's it's a crazy. Yeah. That we like crazy crazy. I graduated high school in seventy two in Brookline. I was kinda low number and I decided to they didn't like sleeping with snakes. And I wanted a nice warm ship, and I joined the navy, okay. And right outta high school right outta high school. You know, Vietnam was winding down, and I got sent to on a Lulu, which was kinda nice. I was on a rescue salvage yet ocean-going mode, and I really kinda liked it. And then I got out of I got out of an AB, and I wasn't Akanik and som- Boston working on garbage trucks. And I did a lot of things and I was a private attack. There you really, you know, and I got a lot of. Clients that were lawyers, and when I was also an IT guy because I was like Trish in the navy and okay to lutron IX and stuff you like worker the hands. I like working with my hands. But one day, I was running cat five cable under some secretary's desk, you know, eleven floor down on State Street. And my truck was getting a parking ticket on my back was aching. And I said, you know, there's gotta be a better better way to do this. And I figure websites the holy trinity of writing technical and graphics. And I said, I can the was this. What year was about eighties? Yeah. In the eighties. So the, you know, the web was just just beginning. Yeah. You saw that. Yes. Fascinated by it. I was fascinated by it. And that's what I did. I said, you know, let me let me figure this out. And I started Watling tearing building websites for non. Office. And you know, let me come in and get an experience. And and that's how it's actually had my own company before I went to gatehouse. Okay. Heart to left me and business partner. And you know, I saw this job at Gaydos, and I wanted to learn more. And I that's how I went to gatehouse really interesting. So it's been a securities root for you to get to Serb compu- happier there. Yes. It's a really fulfilling challenge in Allen physician. Yes. Yes. And what's next? Would you see the next five years well to build up enough where maybe I can take a day off? It's true. To fact, people say you get your own you get business subject to make your own hours, which is twenty four hours every day. Right. Good. Feel good future. I'm really happy to obviously work with you on a daily basis at the center for innovation, and it's a really good story. And it's a happy ending the you were five years ago, it might not healthwise professionally didn't did look like that. So out of that tragedy and that that. Sort of bad deal. You've made some good things out of welcome. Thank you. This is Benjamin shoe Bo from Serb club telling us his American story. Tim KO thousand American thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to profiles, the American dream on Tim hill. Please download and subscribe to this podcast. And let me know what you think leaving rating and review till next time. Thank you very much for listening.
Will & Mackenzie OConnell, Marina Bay Management -018
"Welcome to the profiles. And the American dream podcast Caygill for twenty years ago. I wrote a book with the same title as live. The book explored enormously successful businessman in my hometown of Massachusetts their trajectory, she had some common characteristics including humble beginning. Incredible vision overwhelming struggles in deep well of perseverance and in the end success beyond the wildest dream each at my new guess, we'll all have stories that are Justice intriguing if not more. So join me as we engage with entrepreneurs from many different fields of work unlocking secrets and inspiring people across the country that the dreams too can be cheap. Please download and subscribe to this podcast. And let me know what you think by leaving a rating and review. Welcome to profiles, the American dream. I'm Kim K hope and we're excited about this episode. We have real and McKenzie O'Connell here in the studio to talk about their businesses or their empire. Marina bay management. Is that correct? Well, that's correct company corporate name that's the company that we like to try to have everything run through what makes up marina bay management. It's a it's a management company that is filled with great people. Yeah. Counts and secretaries and consultants are expertise that was started by our two uncles longtime ago really known for the commercial and residential real estate real estate right now. Peter O'Connell is your uncle correct and MacKenzie. Our grandfather, correct, then they started a real estate business started with some small commercial buildings grew. It grew it and built eventually built marina bay, which is known in Quincy as the hot spot in the place to be which is hundreds and hundreds of condos new apartments, but a lot of. Food is. Well, right. Absolutely. And his food sort of your specialty or your focus in in the business third. Second generation for me. It was weird path. I think it's rough with trying to become a real estate attorney you help me get into law school, by the way, he forgot that. But obviously, did you go to college went to stone haulage, okay and school and school law. Okay. Well, my MBA at northeastern masters in management DNC right here in Quincy great. But obviously the management company the residential commercial real estate side of things always. Because of the first generation Ren Ren really tight ran really well. So my opportunity was the food and beverage side of things there was some restaurants at the time that might not have been managed as well. As the family would've liked law school wasn't for me. I was a people person. I was a numbers guy. That's why I fell in love with the rest of the restaurant business. Yeah. Dealing with people all the time. It's really difficult business. I know I know I have history there. So, you know, hospitality businesses. We like to call it. It's nonstop twice. Eighty four seven. Yeah. Thankfully, I'm sure we'll talk about that later. But one of the best hires. I've ever made a little over year goes my town apart my little mini MacKenzie here because you need to have is everywhere. Right. All you have to yet so MacKenzie was this something you were thinking about your you graduated recently from I just graduated from university of Colorado boulder. So I moved away from Boston. And then realized how much I loved it. So I came back usually people who move out to Colorado, Denver right back. They don't they love the rocky mountains that they do they do. But when you have when you live on the towards the water, and you know, you grow up around these places you have to come back to your roots. I think the poll. Yeah. So I kind of naturally fell in with will all throughout college. I'd worked for him waitressing and bartending. So it was a pretty natural progression. I think to fall in with him. It's funny. You say that because he's been a lot of stories lately. In the Wall Street Journal, the newspapers about some are the world of summer jobs changing for young people. They don't get that experience. They go on safaris and do cool stuff that we couldn't do we were growing up because we were more on the lawns and working in restaurants and stuff doing the grunt work and the work that needs to be done. It so trains you for anything in life. I mean, it so happens that you're in the business that you trained, and you did it as well. When you go to college, I always look at people when I'm hiring them. And look and see if they have food background. Did you work in a restaurant? Did you work behind the counter because then you understand how to deal with people absolutely to keep people happy because otherwise the, you know, the restaurant goes down and the frontline people are so important because those are the folks that we interact when we're using granite links. So we're going to the tavern or any of the other restaurants. Absolutely. You know, you're only as good as your worth dishwasher and the food and beverage side of things that's important. That's important. One of the things I hear a lot about now at the air or now, which is full employment is getting help how difficult it is to get help a difficult. It is to keep your help. So. Kind of culture you guys create in the company in the food empire there to keep people didn't make it a career for people as opposed to a summer job led by Tom O'Connell? He has a business philosophy one company one mission. Okay, and Israeli powerful. And we try to talk about it in every manager's meeting every senior managers meeting through all the restaurants that we have in operate. It is so so important to remind each other that you're only as good as the person next to you. Right. So the culture is really important to us. We like to lead, by example, simple things like walking through your parking lot and us, you know, general managers and senior managers and owners picking up the trash, right right and same please. And thank you. And to answer your question directly. We love to promote within we try to find people in high school and college, and at least what I've been doing the last ten fifteen years, and I know I I hold on on that with MacKenzie. We like to start them off at a level have them perfect it and then avoid the Peter principle. And promote at that point. When they're ready to take it on with very upfront with manages, our employees. We tried to tell them directly. This is what you need to do to succeed. And when you take that on, and you do it very, well, we'll give you more responsibility. And then we do it again over and over again and in season throat, all the restaurants. We we have up to six hundred eight hundred employees, and John July. It's a lot of people. It's not boring. So so tell me about the restaurant the different varieties restaurants name them. Marina bay management runs this shanty bay, which is an institution long time. It has such raw. It's well, arguably some people think it is the best food in the marina. Yeah. I've heard that the value is incredible in the staff over there has that cheers mentality. You know, every boater, you know, every resident so we're really proud of the Shanti of what we've been able to do with it the water club right here on the boardwalk as well. It's a great place for events my first ever job. Yeah. Side as a. Bottle kid. They called me. What is the bottle was hired at sixteen. I was told to go at every single table and not stop and pick up every beer bottle. That was sitting on every day every drink railing, and I worked on our shifts. Obviously, I'm pre-. I'm super proud of that because the first couple of years, I was working there. No one even I was family that is my baby been there. That's that's where I always like to find myself on Friday, Saturday nights and summer. Yeah. Obviously, our our main flagship is grand links. Okay. Corey hills an amazing opportunity that I was given that was put on the board of directors seven years ago. I was named the senior vice president there in the opportunity the vision that was created by the first generation is truly incredible Tom myself, our CFO Mary Landau, gentlemen. Walter Hanan MacKenzie. We talked every day that we just have to run it. Well, yes there it's built for us. We just have to run it. Well, everything that goes on up there from the events in you're not to find a better wedding. Then you then what we have the tab. Ever n- award winning the crossing nines has been so so incredible. It's an outside patio menu right on top of the twenty-seven hole championship golf course that we have there is something for anyone of all ages that granted links golf, but events food and beverage truly its flagship, and you family had a great vision because that MacKenzie in you might not even remember that used to be a dump. As we mystically call the back in the day place, where people would send their trash it was a bunch of old quarries, and it was damaged lead years ago. And nobody knew what was going to happen to it. Your family had the vision to say, we're going to take the dirt from the big that was being sold and hopefully sold at the cheapest price possible because taxpayers were we're footing that Bill, and it came up with an ingenious way to get debt. Duret that was being dug out from underneath Boston and delivered to the golf course to cap it. So make it environmentally safe. And then you guys decide to put off Kenzi. I think Tim has a pitch. We potential member story with us. I was on city council when it was being devised. It's funny. We've talking earlier about the vision that entrepreneurs have they see things that other people don't necessarily see. And that's why it's hard to pitch because you're gonna take a dump and turn it into a golf course. I mean, come on. It's not gonna be stuck going to work. It's going to sink. It's gonna be safe. No one's ever going to go there. And it has done all these things. I mean, it's safe. It's world renowned one of the top golf courses in the country. It really is in to. I don't know if it's a good point to jump onto one of our other businesses that we're gonna be management runs is the rangebound grill down hang them. I'd like to say that I had the vision to create that to be brutally honest. I had to step away from my family on that project. With permission. Of course, anything without permission. But it was an opportunity for Monday management to take on another account and that story walked in with the Bristol family. They asked us to come in and come up with a business plan on what they would do with this existing shop, again, being brutally honest. It wasn't my vision. It was this is what has worked for us up at grand. Aches, and this prochet up that you have that is underutilized should be built into a restaurant. And it's a tash drive range like we have great length outside competition level. So we're not going to be competing with each other. And that is another restaurant that a lot of people give me my idea the respect that it might deserve. But I truly believe it was the opportunity from the Bristol family. And it was also the vision from the first generational connel's that created grand links people enjoy golf average activity. Yeah, they want to be entertained, and that's what it really is about. But concessions is the key to entertainment, even in the movie business so MacKenzie. You not been on the glide path since you left college you jumped right into the business. And is there anything downside to the show, you friends and the folk she went to school with just first jobs and not to say, it's easy. But you work in ten twelve hours a day. This vacations are hard to find busy seasons. Now when people take summers off you guys working in it. Do you love it or you feel I? Definitely love. There's something new every single day. And will is extremely motivating to be around. I think he was a little bit humble earlier when he said, you know, how do you keep your people? I think will has a cool aid concept that everyone is drinking. It wants to be behind him. That's just to be around. So we also get along very well, just not even being family, but on a personal level. So it definitely makes work not work. What I I met you when I reconnected with will you guys training for a marathon America. I won't ask will how he did not ask. Ask but MacKenzie you did pretty well that merit. That's First Boston marathon. Yes, it was. And it was a horrible horrible day. Because my sister is well, I mean, I don't wanna sound hokey here, but running a business especially in the food businesses run in a marathon. There's a start in it's painful it hurts. A lot of times. You question yourself at mile twenty whether it's worth it. Then you finish. And then you say that was worth it. Tell me about that experience. Well, I think we have a lot of long term goals. So it's not even just how can we be good this season? It's how do we plan for the next ten seasons of all the restaurants? And I think that's definitely comparable with the marathon. And that every mile is not easy, and it gets harder. And sometimes it's easier. But there is an end goal. And I think I see wills vision with an end goal. And that's something that I wanna stick by him with south crossing the line. I mean, there's no way to describe that feeling I think I'm just looking forward to it. Businesses tend not to survive first of all strong entrepreneurs as as your parents were grandparents and parents were in our strong willed entrepreneurs. And then just the next generation doesn't have the passion for it or or they have a different passion. Or? No, that's not the case in this family. The family doesn't get along. You guys have seemed to have as you talked about the next ten years the next sort of overcome that real problem. It doesn't always work. I mean, how Johnson who's one of the topics of the book turnover huge business to sun and within a decade or two the business was gone. And within one generation is no more Howard Johnson's what do you think about that? Because you want to set your own goals and make your own Mark at the same time. You've got this family enterprise thing. Let you Boston. It's nothing let you father down grandfather down or something like that especially where they built it. And it's their baby. What do you think about that role? Because I think it's equally difficult as difficult to. Business scratches. It is to inherit a business, and then try to take it to the next level MacKenzie night talk about this probably every day. It is really difficult in the family business to agree to agree. One of the things that I've seen from the first generation was agree to disagree and do it openly. Do not be afraid to put it on the table in hash it out face to face. And we have a very large large family, the family does get along and cooperates with one another because we know how hard how hard it was for the first generation is Akra vices that they made in thankfully, the second. And third generations are reminded of that ego doesn't exist in our family. There's opportunity for everybody. There's a lot of family that has on the on the bus with McKenzie. And I and then there's some family that are doing their other things family really promotes that right? I don't know if MacKenzie wants to touch upon that. But I like to take the work hat and put it on when this time to do work in take it off when you're at a family dinner or a family gathering. Talk shot knocked talk show. Right. Hard to do though. Right. Definitely hard to do. I mean, I think the agree to disagree is something that we do every day, but it's challenging and it's rewarding in the end. And there's no way to push not only yourself but each other without doing south. That's one thing that I think makes us stronger, and we wanted to him we want it really badly, and we want for our self. But we're also trying to find a way. So that all of us can partake in it. Right. Our newest venture last year down in hall. It was a field business for close to ten years in the food and beverage world. And a lot of people told us not to do it which the name of this local o two four five eight has one of the most breathtaking sunsets. But we jumped on it because we wanted to challenge. And if nothing else, it's it's not just the bay management's running it or more opportunity for great people in the restaurant company that we have it's just a challenge. Right. And to see that you can go to work every day and not be bored into face challenges head on that's the part. That is most rewarding because the money will follow. Right. You know? That's you can't be afraid to make mistake. And if we can turn this one around because he talks about the long-term goals that we have we want to be the largest restaurant group on the social people in Boston. They can have that as the people above the over the bridge and the no show they can have but where Quincy family and there's a mazing opportunity right here in Quincy. But we also believe outside that on the social you running a golf course a big what and that industry has been challenged over the last years at one point they will building more golf courses than there were golfers. It's a kind of an expensive hobby. I have a son in law that loves to off all the time, you know, and it's time consuming hobby. I just read something the other day about these sort of mini golf courses opening up where people par threes, and the real golf courses, but they're smaller and therefore people who maybe are intimidated by playing golf. I don't have four or five hours to play. What do you think about the industry itself with golf new generation? Golfers coming. Which is great. You know, the young guys Tigers sort of one of the old guys now. But how do you look out and Sarah, right, this golf industry needs to survive. How's it going to continue to grow? And how we gonna bring the next generation of people to golf given both the challenges in the great parts of it where head of it because we are super focused on the twenty one to twenty nine demographic. And we're doing that because even though Greenwich links is difficult to play somewhat you expensive worth every dollar. We have a great twilight rate for people that can't afford or don't have the time to play as much as like to. We like to make all fun if we can stick to that that fine line balance of difficult and challenging golf with for the real hardcore players who want that with that amazing, Boston skyline view. And then also give them that dining experience for their friends and families with with cold beer, and really really fresh great food. That's where I think they were having us. Sessa credit links. They're not just coming up in worried about the four or five hours takes the play. Right. They're actually making it into seven eight hours because the entire experience the Kremlin Lincoln there too. So you don't leaving your wife and kids at home you bringing their and his other things for them to do their waiting hitting a bucket of balls. You know, the walk on the property beautiful sunny day, there's besides marina bay. There's no better place certainly in Quincy. I think in the social thing, but in Quincy a lot longer than than either you too in terms of being alive, and I remember Rudy drive. The dump is we call it ran through marina bay when it was still abandoned, boo. The airfields I remember clearly it was with this guy who was a real runner. So I was chasing him the whole way like an eight mile run which goes those as a really in the past. But I feel really special and honored to be able to said, Iran. I remember marine Abedin go down there a lot. But I remember running that was part of the path. There's another place out in crown colony big office park that used to be crushed stone facility that we used to go up and. Drink were teenagers and hang out all kinds of Trump. And it just so mazing for people who didn't grow up in Quincy. I remember running down Burgin Parkway before it was built it was sort of dirt in. It was planned to be built. They said I'm going to run down this road when I can cause the year from now it's going to be a highway, and I'm not gonna run anymore. It's changed so much. I think you can agree to disagree that so much changes been for the better. You've taken derelict properties underutilized properties and made them valuable giving people a place to live and recreate as well that speaks a lot to the city that we call home, and and to the vision of folks like Peter and Bill Walter Hanan Jim McIntyre back in the day brought the red line here and all the leaders right up to our current mayor Tom coke who see the vision of what Quincy can be says what it was. That's got to be inspiring guys as well MacKenzie. We cannot wait to see what happens in Quincy center. The mayor has a vision a lot. The people behind him and to Tim's point. It's to see what way Quincy has become where very excited in Quincy center for obviously our own advantage. You completely agree McKenzie. Right. When he sent has a bright future. Yes. Be big building Quincy center Romer by Mr Peter O'Connell has he has not stopped one of the things. I really thought was a key part of the book profiles new American dream was was not so much the success that these men accomplished, but the struggles they went through to get there for every entrepreneur successful entrepreneur there's fifteen that didn't make it because they couldn't overcome the challenges. What do you see is the biggest challenge you say over the next ten fifteen years? And where do you think you're going to be stressed to keep it going specifically MacKenzie ni-, marina bay management? The challenges are going to be MacKenzie. Not to grow too quickly. Okay. We have to run everything tight to budget. Now. Before anyone gives us an opportunity, including ourselves to take on the next. Big thing. We want the next thing right in the next thing and the next thing, but we need to do everything. Well before we do that. Yes. That's going to be challenged. Because you grow you die. But if you grow too fast, you a young age the other thing, and I wanna get to this. We're coming to the end of the show social media's such a big part of life in business life in general. How do you guys use social media? What do you think it's going to mean for the future of marina bay management, and all these different businesses that you have cans gonna to I don't have any of those pages and never will. I think it's extremely important for creating a brand in also connecting all the properties that we have just showing where our goals are in the future. It's something that I think we haven't really dedicated a lot of time to, but it's on the agenda for sure it's a great ways we found out with our just last night to to really bring people together from different parts of the area in different parts of the world. I mean, we had a nice event last night with four hundred people three hundred and fifty which I didn't know they weren't part of the chamber, and it was all done to social media the whole build up with who social media. It's not the only thing you can do because you have to do the old fashioned hospitality pieces to face to face. But there's no question that if you if you can master social media and make it part of your business, you know, sort of strategy and stay ahead of the different Bill. Belsey Snapface, all those different kinds of social media channels. You. Can rule. You can definitely will get ahead of your competition. And it's interesting to think about that. Because that's the other thing will end on this note. And it's one thing you folks, body single you really can't ever rest on your laurels in this business or any business. Someone else health there's gonna come and take it come. That goes for the biggest guys as big companies right now smallest one it's been a pleasure to have you guys on this book. Wow. Thank you. Thank you working and continue Neil legacy. 'cause I got a great legacy from the beginning. And we're excited to see retook onto the past to see what in the future. So thank you up coming. Thank you. Yeah. This is bad for the American dream on Keiko. And we'll talk to you. Thanks for listening to profiles in the American dream, Tim Caygill, please download and subscribe to this podcast. And let me know what you think by leaving rating and review till next time. Thank you very much listening.
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"Welcome to the profiles and the american dream podcast. I'm caygill for twenty years ago. I wrote a book with the same title as the book explored enormously successful businessman from my hometown massachusetts their trajectory she had some common characteristics including humble beginning incredible incredible vision overwhelming struggles in deep well of perseverance and in the end success beyond their wildest dream. Each of my new gas will all have stories. Is it a justice intriguing if not more so join me as we engage with entrepreneurs from many different fields of work unlocking secrets and inspired people across the country that the dreams too can be achieved. Please download and subscribe to this podcast and let me know what you think by leaving a rating and review welcome to profiles the american dream on kahlil and this episode. I'm very happy to have is my guest. John mcdonald's j. m. productions welcome to the show john. Thank you tim. Thanks for having happy. May tell our listeners what j. productions is and then we'll get into the sort of the history of your career in show business in <hes> media and everything else okay so jam. Productions is a full service entertainment producer. We do private events public events. <hes> <hes> i run my own productions i work with a children's group called rising stars <hes> and we do show cruises out of marina bay in the summertime time and <hes>. We're you know twenty four hours a day seven days a week. If there's an event we want to be involved in it. How did you get how did you develop jay and productions. What would it come from. Well the genesis. It's interesting if some of your listeners may remember way back when there was a group called c._y._o. Through saint ends ends in wallace and it was nineteen seventy six. I was a sophomore in high school and i had been many productions but i was always the <hes> <hes> the second. I was never the first so <hes> but i realized that the power of production law would lay with the director the producer so i started looking into that so i went to file the sharkey at saint ann's. He was the police chaplain for the boston police department and he said i mean i. I did a pitch. I did my first pitch and he said well. What do you need to put on a show so i said five hundred bucks and back then i had no idea what five five hundred dollars meant you know. I just thought it was it was a good number and he said i'll get to the money and he said but you have to work with the <hes> the board of the c._y._o. And also the adult <hes> coordinators so i had no problem with that and we put on our first production at saint ann's and i produced and directed did and it was bye bye birdie and i had all of my friends from quincy high north quincy high who are in the drama program they did this summer event and it was wildly wildly successful if i may say so myself and it wasn't a drama kid right high school yeah well. We'll bit of yeah. I thought of myself as a joke but <hes> i did have some friends <hes> from quincy high school that were big big drought people real real seriously theater people and they did this show one flow of couse. Oh sure i take it was in seventy six seventy five seventy six paul collins in that your mom not sure paul was in it verona's accent. I think <hes> my friend brian kelly was in it. <hes> wayne gardner i still seashore pictures from a yearbook in it and it reminded did it at broad meadows okay so was <hes> that was my introduction to theater around that same time and and for me marian clancy <hes> was the music teacher and christine gene deluca <hes> and paul hate the three of them really formed. <hes> informed informed my my professional career because <hes> <hes> when you joined their programs it was a serious. It wasn't a fluff. It wasn't a you know. Just take this to fill up your time. It was a serious this program and you <hes> dr crystal and mr d. martinez we call them mr see and mr diaz member atlantic they also had a wonderful program on wednesdays called spot day and <hes> every wednesday it was expected that you would work outside of the box so a lot of the chocks were in the shows. <hes> a lot of the theater kids were in the gym program and did a gym show. <hes> a lot of the guys had to learn about cooking and sewing a a lotta girls ticshop so it was really i think the foundation started in my early childhood who would have thought quincy was that progressive. I know because atlantic middle schools new you so i think there was a different <hes> point of reference with regard to curriculum and <hes> it was kind of test and it worked really yeah <hes> so. Where did you go from bye bye birdie. What was your what was that you checked of your career. Well i so at that point. I needed to call. It's my company any something so j m. That's my name mcdonald's j. M. productions made sense so i continued. When i went on to college. I was actually as a footnote. I was going to be a priest. I was going to enter the seminary took the test. I did the whole <hes> stay over and i was moving in that direction and <hes> decided against that and took some time off but then i ended up at quincy college so <hes> got my sociology degree there during that time i continued to do shows and and the quincy community theater <hes> existed prior to that but then it fell apart because of proposition two and a half okay so i got together other with my friends and said why don't we resurrect the quincy community theater concept because it's a nonprofit entity <hes> it would allow for us to raise the funds because what what i quickly learned is if i don't have the deep pockets than <hes> without sponsorship. It's gonna be hard to do these productions so i continued on and i started the quincy community theater and <hes> worked all through my college years then i moved to new york city <hes> indirectly out of college and worked in the industry i worked at mtv <hes> and i worked at click model management but during the summers i would come home not not for the entire summer but i would continue with j in production so jam productions has been almost forty years because it really started when i was in high school in interesting and kept going through. What was your experiences. What will your experiences like new york city well when i first started there i my degree was in elementary education nations so it was a fifth grade teacher. I taught in one school <hes> and then that school closed so it was a one year experience in the reading specialist asked me to go over to long island city and i taught in that school and i needed a part time job. I was making fifteen. No i was making thirteen eight thirteen thousand dollars and i was living in in manhattan. I was living in queens and <hes> i needed a job so i saw this ad for this new company mtv and i got the gig and i was working part time but at the same time <hes> the gym teacher the staff of the school where i was teaching lying on city we were all very reclose extremely close and the gym teacher was married to the kindergarten teacher. I was dating the she was. The eighth grade grade teacher and our best friend was the sixth grade teacher and so i decided i needed this job went. M._t._v. loved it. They offered me a full time job. I knew i was not gonna stay education so the gym teacher said to me he only taught one day week he said why don't you come work for my mom and and i said in what capacity she needs an assistant. I said joey this is joey. Grow from click model management. He said jerry. This is a modeling agency. What do i know from modeling and and so he said i'm telling you don't do this. M._t._v. do this so i did and <hes> i quickly became francis grills personal assistant and then i became isabella rossellini his personal assistant and that really is what brought me into the entertainment business on a professional level and what is what is <hes> being a personal assistant like what do you do for that person that we know generally but specific well. It is interesting because i think you think you know in that capacity. Because i worked for an agency. She had her own booker so the booker would take <hes> her calls and <hes> like if bruce weber of calvin klein the land comb <hes> corporation needed her for a shoot <hes> the booker would arrange the financials and then it would be given to me eh to coordinate everything to get her to the shoot and to make sure that every aspect of her day is covered because isabella at the time she was a supermodel and really was very busy and was breaking into <hes> films right so <hes> we had i had to juggle for her her personal personal life and her professional life too so that the transitions were smooth <hes>. She was very busy she would go to l._a. She would be in new york city. She would travel to europe. Would you go with her everywhere. <hes> no i never went to l. A. with her never went to europe but a subsequent <hes> relationships with celebrities that i've worked for i did do the bat but with isabella i stayed in the new york agency and but we would speak every day <hes> in the morning and then in the evening so in the morning i was setting her day and then in the evening it was just to kind of regroup and see what worked what didn't work and kind of give her a heads up as to what was coming on the next day with some of the other celebrities you worked with at that time boomer thurman was there whitney houston was at the agency <hes> who knows who else who was the elle macphearson she had just gotten the sports illustrated cover <hes> elizabeth <hes> romola and gail o'neill lot of these girls may not recognize the name but <hes> pete townsend's daughter was there. They are <hes> a lot of celebrities. Children were at agency okay and then what happened from so you click model for how long i was there. I think it it was five years. Do you regret not going the m._t._v. I don't regret the m._t._v. because to be honest with you. I was not a rock and roll guy. I was a broadway guy so i didn't necessarily get like i worked for cyndi lauper. I knew who she was and and billy idol but i didn't get. Let's say <hes> frankie goes to hollywood. They were huge and i i was like who is this. Frankie goes to hollywood. I didn't understand and <hes> billy idol. I liked but i didn't really we get him but so so yeah. I didn't really fit into the m._t._v. world. I was in a peewee herman and bryan adams christmas video that they show every year on m._t._v. So that was kinda cool and i had some fun there. I went to the new year's eve party and <hes> it was a great introduction to the world of <hes> <hes> celebrity but also <hes> in an entertainment capacity so i'm glad that i did it. <hes> i also was a santer at macy's sir sir i was i went to santa university really all these jobs were to make living when you're when i was teaching to to augment my my salary salary and <hes> i was under study for the parade and had the guy for whatever reason gone out. I would have been in the parade that year but i didn't get a number two. Who guy number two isn't that theme <hes> so what happened <hes> did you how long we new york seven years okay and and then came back to quincy woke up one day <hes> in the eighties and i realized the aids epidemic had just started and we i was losing friends and <hes> i hadn't come out yet <hes> and so it was a scary time for me and i also spending too much time at studio fifty four and i was partying and having too much fun and i and i i had run away from quincy the minute i could get out of quincy. I was gone and idea. We all thought that way back. I just was like i i can't i must go and i'm glad for the seven years <hes> that i experienced in new york city but i just woke up one day and said i gotta go home. I eight for some reason something spoke to me and said you gotta get out of town because you you're going down a path. That may not make good sense. It's free okay so i came home and i worked for a modeling agency because i had these credentials on newbury street <hes> and i was living at the peru. <hes> peter wolf was my neighbor and he comes back into the story later on okay and isabella interestingly enough comes back later on but <hes> so that was a wonderful time as well but then that agency closed so i had to go back and look at what you know my strengths and but the whole time jane productions reductions was happening okay i. It wasn't a that i was doing three or four shows a year. It would be may just be one show but just keeping in it and so i <hes> i was out of a job again so i went to the woodward school in quincy and i approached them and i said you know i've got this quincy community theater and j m productions and perhaps you could use somebody on your staff that you know teaches drama so i became the drama coach oral communications geography reading assistant to the headmaster and i brought my full company there and all the kids were in my productions and it was plus the adults from the community and it really took off in a big way so i kinda settled there <hes> and so and oh i forgot there was one little thing i had the milton cinema as well. I remember i remember that yeah. We took the milton cinema but we didn't buy hi the building but we bought the business a partner and i and then quincy opened up the eight cinemas in quincy center and braintree opened the ten cinemas so pretty much put us out of businesses. That's how he ended up at the woods school and then again with the woodward school. I wasn't making enough money so i started working in the boston in theaters and i got a job one of my students her mother and father were very much involved in in the <hes> wilbur in the colonial theaters and i got a job as an usher and and from that i became a security guard. I became the door person <hes> i learned how to become a dresser. <hes> which is he's putting <hes> the actors in and out of their costumes throughout any production. It's like a whole world backstage that you have no idea that yeah it's great and then <hes> i became front of the house i became assistant house manager at the colonial and the wilbur so my world then changed because the headmaster had a bob johnson remember bob. Yes thank you yeah he had. Lou gehrig's disease and he was he. He was struggling in the school. At the time was struggling. I knew that my career there probably was coming coming to an end so i went into the theater world and loved the boston scene and it kept me you know scratch that each but i also was able to do my productions and i made a living <hes> doing that yeah so so we're in the nineties. Now is that correct yes yes and and doing the productions would would it entail fee. You obviously a labor of love but you also had to make some money on it right the challenge in i think in all the creative industries this is what i wanna do <hes>. I'm doing it for the crowd. I'm doing it for the actors but but we still got a crack today the bills else how do you how do you what do you. How do you wrestle with that. And how do you achieve sort of that. Putting all those pieces together successfully i think because of my relationship with the five oh one c. three foundation at the woodward school and being in that nonprofit world <hes> we were able to secure budgets because because we have sponsors and we would sell ads for playbill and things of that nature once i left that environment <hes> i did not continue on because i was under their umbrella. I didn't have my own five three so i was back into the <hes> sole proprietor kind of world and so it all came out of my pocket doc at the success of the failures that came along the way where a solely based on you know what i put into a project financially bye bye birdie was your first most productive with some of the other ones that you really proud of that that you felt the challenge. I wanted to put together you to stay you remember as being special <hes> company any the <hes> the sun timepiece which was the very first show that i did <hes> i was at north quincy high school after i was out of the woodward community today and <hes> nobody had presented that particular piece on the south shore because it's on time and it's tough <hes> and it was very well received we we had an amazing cast and then we did a musical called baby again a piece that is not usually done in the key because the community had a world you do do the oklahoma's the sound of music those kinds of shows that tried and true than the ones that would <hes> get people in the seats but i would always choose the obscure musical and <hes> introduced in an education kind of way to my audiences <hes> pieces that perhaps they've never seen before so i think those and then name name was a show. Oh that i that's goes back a little bit to the would days but i put on. I think it was when it was all said and done. I think they were like sixty people on the stage and if you know the woodward footprint which i'm sure your listeners don't know it is the size of a postage stamp and how we made that happen. I do not know but it was well received as a matter of fact it was extended so i would say those three <hes> in the beginning of my career would be standouts. There are others later on but so so you went from from woodward to sort of your own right you know you're you're presenting extending company and waded the company go from there and get to where it is today so jay productions went through <hes> highs and lows obviously depending on the finances <hes> i started to look at the children's thehe world <hes> because my background in education and i think <hes> that that was lacking there was no real great. They were dance studios all over the place. There still are in quincy <hes> and on the south shore but there was really no place for kids with regard to performance art art being triple threats to be a singer a dancer in an actor <hes> so i started rising stars and i because i have connections. I'm kind of going out of context out of the list of my trajectory of positions but i ended up on broadway. I'll tell you that in a minute but because i had connections on broadway i was able to bring broadway people to quincy to teach recite just did that this past august fourth <hes> and so back then dan i will i decided jam productions could only survive if i had something within the company that brought in the revenue stream and the revenue stream was the children and rising stars was quite successful because i was the only guy bringing broadway teachers i wasn't asking moms and dads and locals to teach i was bringing in actual people who've been on broadway so it went in that direction and then jam productions also went into the celebrity liberty world because of my connection celebrity so i started booking celebrities <hes> i don't know if you know jennifer holliday from dreamgirls yes she came here to marina bay actually actually and we ended up <hes> doing those a tent out here and we did a huge concert it was widely wildly received sold out standing room only standing ovations and then there was a private v._i._p. <hes> event after that and i started bringing in people like that i've worked with john oliver. Who's an amazing singer that some of your listeners may know <hes> i booked <hes> a lot of different acts that again are not the staples than not the tried and trues that night well you know people are going to just come out and buy tickets for these. Maybe obscure <hes> performers but once you experience them you're having uh it sells and that's broadway's dealing with data rodway. Everyone deals with that. It's the blockbuster. Let's do lion king you you know hamilton and when the time wasn't a blockbuster and wasn't sort of something that the new hit the machine that it is now yeah and it's <hes> it's it's interesting in that way and i think it's almost like the we've we've made everything almost like disneyland and it's got an i understand it does need to appeal to the masses because maybe that might be the first time you get somebody to experience a musical that's right and then you go beyond that but but for the true aficionados of musicals and stuff it's it's. It's a challenge you don't you don't wanna sell out right at the same time you wanna sell out very good and how do you how do you balance balancing and i guess that's what you do well. It's it's all about educating your consumer. If your audience's trust you as an entertainment producer and they've had a good good experience with you then you don't have to sell them. They should already beyond your bandwagon right because they believe that <hes> your your product is good and they have a tag that i use j. in productions quality entertainment at reasonable prices. I'd never liked to <hes> jack up. Prices is just for the sake of doing that. I just had a conversation recently at the common market where i do my shows now <hes> where we're thinking of bringing in some v._i._p. Kinds of shows and we're looking at do we change the price point and it's a conversation you know greg. Mcdonald knows this quite well in the business that he's in <hes> it's a good conversation to have but my philosophy is if if you have a strong base and they follow you and they believe in you and they trust in you then they're gonna come back and they're gonna they're gonna follow. Oh you you mentioned earlier. We're running up against the time clock here but you mentioned early you gonna bring us back to peter wolf and isabella rossellini well peter wolf this the funny story with peter is i was working at the wilbur and <hes> and accompany manager which is somebody that comes from <unk> outside not a local he's from new york city came into the wilburn. It was just myself and and frank this guy frank lot and he was desperate. <hes> affet dunaway was coming to town with master class and <hes> the maria callas of peace and he was desperate to find a personal assistant and he said do you have any ideas and i said wow i actually do that for and peter wolf was married to faye dunaway at one point so <hes> he came back into my life because of faye dunaway. I ended up going on that. I became her personal assistant here in boston than i did the national tour with her as well and peter and i would speak it pretty often because they remained close. Okay friends okay and isabella. Was there another <hes> that's a long story. We've got a couple of minutes what it sounds like. You've had a very very interesting life very in a very in many ways it's kinda gone up and up and down shore and taking many turns that you probably didn't see back in nineteen seventy six when you started correct any regrets in terms of your your choice to take this path <hes> perhaps edge edge in in my education. Perhaps i would have liked to have taken. Maybe more business courses in the entertainment world. <hes> learned the business from that aspect <hes>. I was in the education world. Perhaps it would have been better if i had done some more work in that area right but <hes> no regrets in terms of <hes> stories and oh god i could go days you don't you have enough time and how's the business would is sort of the plans for jan production say over the next decade. If you wanna look that far well i've been the advocating quincy for thirty. Five years has to have a cultural center in this community and i think we're moving toward that so hopefully i'll be involved on some level so but other than that it's just you know something new. Every time that jay and productions is out on the street. I want something new happening and excellent excellent city. You quincy really needs it and the community needs it and sometimes they don't know if they need it until they see that's right. I know you had a nice show at the church. In the president's. Just a couple of weeks ago was wasn't there to attend it because i wasn't here for the weekend but it was really well done and really very success and it was something that you don't normally see twenty five kids from across the state participated as excellent. John pleasure thanks for coming on to that was quick best of luck to jam packed saying forward for the next twenty years showbiz. If i'm alive uh-huh i really enjoyed this interview with john macdonald from game productions worship well kale for profiles and the american dream. Thank you for listening this name and hope you tune in again. Thanks for listening to profiles the american dream. I'm jim kale. Please download and subscribe to this podcast and let me know what you think leaving a rating and review until next time. Thank you very much for listening <music> <music> <music>.
Jenn Ormond, Coffee Break Cafe -026
"Welcome to the profiles. And the American dream podcast. I'm Tim Caygill twenty years ago. I wrote a book with the same title as live. The book explored enormously successful businessman from my hometown of Massachusetts ejector, she had some common characteristics including humble beginning. Incredible vision overwhelming struggles in deep well of perseverance and in the end success beyond the wildest dream each at my new guess, we'll all have stories that are Justice intriguing if not more. So join me as we engage with entrepreneurs from many different fields of work unlocking secrets and inspiring people across the country that the dreams too can be cheat. Please download and subscribe to this podcast. And let me know what you think by leaving a rating and review. Welcome to profiles, the American dream. I am your host K hill this episode. We're gonna be talking coffee coffee coffee coffee. So if you haven't heavy coffee yet poor some or even better yet, go to coffee break cafe I'm joined by gentleman, the founder and owner of coffee break. Cafe welcome, Jen. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Nice to have you on the show so coffee break cafe is is a Quincy institution and Quincy is known for its coffee, especially with Dunkin donuts having been found here. Many many many many years ago, so what made you get into the coffee business. When did you start coffee break cafe? And what what was your impetus for getting into the business who tough question, you're going to ask me dates approximately nineteen Ninety-six when we started. And I I shop was on colony. Is that right? Yes. Okay. So that's that's original much third nineteen Ninety-six. Now you remember dates? Third nineteen ninety six. Yes. Yep. My husband, and I will he was my boyfriend at the time I had been putting myself through college. And drank a lot of coffee. I worked fulltime. I went to UMass Boston. Okay. And being I was a waitress in a bartender and being in the restaurant food industry. I had access to a lot of different kinds of coffee, and I drank a lot of coffee so in in he did as well. He was a cook. And I was a waitress and we became coffee snobs. And we started brewing our own before. I think everybody was brewing their own right? Right. And because I was making a living with customer service customer service became really important to me. And I wanted to make sure that well not wanted to make sure but everywhere I went I was kind of picky. Right. Right. So what we had available at the time was no longer, you know, up to my standards. It's okay. Say. Say say, so that's what drives a lot of people into business. They say all right. This is a business. It's making money. I see all the people here. But I think I can do better. I think we have a better idea for something different. Yeah. I feel like there was a void in the marketplace. Basically, there was the bigger companies out there, and I just didn't feel like I worked really hard for my money and just didn't want to be like next. And yeah. So we complained about it for probably I dunno forever. A couple of years, and then we decided to start setting aside some money and started to look seriously into doing it on our own. Okay. So how long did it take you from the decision to put inside some money and to do it on your own to actually opening up the first coffee break on March? They say March third. Yeah. Unfortunately, it was only a couple of months and we found out for location. If you're familiar with Quincy at all. I avoid Hancock street as much as humanly possible. So I stumbled upon this location because it's a cut through and helps you avoid a good chunk and right across from the Walston station. Yep. We saw the Felice sign we had absolutely no money. And what was what was it before? It was a craft store. Okay. My landlord ran her own little craft business and her husband had like some kind of a hydraulic business behind the building. So it was like a little store front. It's about seven hundred square feet, and we had no money no plan, but we did have experience. Okay. So a location in a location. So yeah, we contacted her and she met with us her and her husband, and I think it was like us in a hair salon and a convenience store, and she chose us. She took a chance, really. Interesting. Yeah. So no money, but location, and you got to quit you jobs or you. Did you stay where you were to sort of cover the cost before you as you got started out? We kept on jobs for a good year. Okay. I think my husband actually kept his job for closer to two years. It was awful. I mean, we opened at five thirty in the morning, and we were I mean, I was just in bartending. So I would be getting home at one o'clock in the morning and sleep for a couple of hours and then go right back in and opening. I had really great friends, and my mom she helped she would come in between three and five and they would close the store for us. When we went to our night Johnson. Yeah. How did you develop the concept? What was what was different about coffee break than Dunkin donuts or Starbucks or any of the other companies out there that were selling coffee. Well, the first thing was customer service. Okay. You know, we always wanted to higher the friendliest people will. Back then we didn't really hire anybody. But now, we wanna hire the friendliest people. Are you guys were the friendliest people? We try. Yeah. I mean, people are spending money in your business. You you have to have I contact in smile, and we want people to have a good experience. So it won't come back. Yeah. You can have the best product in the world. But if they have bad customer service, they won't come back, and we knew that early on. So that's numero Uno. The second thing was ice coffee was like I only drink iced coffee, and you couldn't get coffee year round anywhere. That was good. I it's interesting. You say that because we're all used to it now. Yes, coffee, anytime and people my daughter's drink, iced coffee, all the time younger generation loves ice coffee. But there was a time before Facebook. And or around the time, you internet was getting will you really couldn't get ice coffee year round and people still like to drink and into this day really liked to drink it. It's funny because depending on where you go it's still like that, you know, New Hampshire. I when we go on vacation, I have a hard. Time finding really good ice coffee. Yeah. So I mean back in the day. You would you know, they would take hot coffee and dump it over ice and gusting. So we also melt the sugar all the time, and we mix it back and forth. That's we've been doing that since day one. And you don't get the sugar at the bottom. Yeah. Exactly. And we wanted to have a better quality product. It's hard to have a good quality being when you're gigantic like fast food type of business. So we are able to buy from smaller companies and offer something that's higher quality. When you that first year where you're working two jobs. You're going three hour sleep. Did you question your husband questioned? What are we doing? Oh my God. Yeah. I still do. Yeah. I remember like within the first week going. What what did I do? I am such a night owl. And I still am it doesn't matter. How much sleep? I get come town o'clock. I am up and I'm bouncing around, and I have energy and I get up at five four thirty five o'clock in the morning is awful. Right. My worst nightmare. So you decided to go into except that was yours. And our wise. I mean, like customer service part of it. And and like, you know, the quality products and being your own boss. I mean, you decide if and you worked in the food business. So I'm sure you there's certain parts of it. You liked in certain parts of it. You said this is not the way to do it being your own boss allows you to sort of set that tone and demand it and and be responsible for it at the same time, which is great. But it's also a huge responsibility. Because I used to say when I was in the restaurant business. You know, we're only as good as Las meal. Loss Cup of coffee of it's bad Cup. People will just not come back. Yep. And coffees a tough business because you have to turn over the product has to be fresh. You can make money on it. But again, you can throw a lot of it away to if you not if it's not time, right? Although ice coffee is a little bit different on that end of it too. Is that you can the product obviously doesn't get overheated. And it's gotta be fresh. But it's a little bit different. So you been with successful. All right off the top. Because I do remember when it opened, and I was just getting out of the food business when you were getting into the food business. So I was looking for a place to go because my coffee habit had dried up when I sold my business. I couldn't get free coffee anymore. So I had to pay for it. And I do remember, you know, that same philosophy of just not wanting to be a number or being frustrated when the coffee was wrong, like I want, you know, I wanna light would no Shogo you come out. It's dark with two sugars in because people don't listen are so busy that you just like you said you just another face as opposed to a name a regular right someone that, you know, right? And that's so important in in in a small sort of non chain business. And I think that's how you compete. Definitely we have a a sip policy that we ask everybody to take a sip of coffee before you leave to make sure that it's made right and. We I always ask our customers to, you know, please let us know when we don't make it. Right. So we can fix it. Does nobody behind the counter that is going to be annoyed or frustrated to remake a drink because we all are in the same boat. And we all want our drinks to be made. Right, right. So we all know, I mean, sometimes you have a bad day or you didn't put enough ice in it. Or whatever the case may be we're all human and we make mistakes, and we are. Okay. If you don't like it will make something else. You know? That's a big thing. People tend to sail, and I wanna get them in trouble or feelings. Like, no, you you're paying for drink get it the way that you want it, and it would hurt my feelings a lot more. If you don't commit right. If you stop coming in. And I don't know about it. We talk about of talked about this with a couple of people in the food business. And this is a somewhat recent phenomenon where people can now express their displeasure online yelp yet against us like that deal with that. What is that done to your business? And how do you? I mean, some people at nor it. Some people don't ignore it. Some people address it there are legitimate complaints. And then there are the crazies out there is just like to harass people, the trolls, I guess they call them how do you deal with yelp in any of those those types of places where the you know, the the criticism is anonymous. So I think I've I've experienced everything that you just said, I've ignored it. I've dealt with it. I've been hyper focused on it and obsessed with it. And I go through phases. Mostly I try to have tunnel vision in focus on myself, and my business and my staff and make sure that we're doing the absolute best that we can do currently. I'm ignoring yelp occurred that from a few people they I can't keep up with it. And you can't police it, right? Well, they call my cell phone three times a day. They call every one of my locations. Three to five times a day trying to sell advertisement. And I'm sorry. I know that they claim that you know, they're not doing what they're doing. But it's a scam. So you paid advertise and all of a sudden, you're bad reviews go away. And if you don't pay to advertise, your bad reviews, go to the top, and every every business owner knows this to be true. There are lots of lawsuits out there against them. And when they call you I mean, they literally just called yesterday. And I know that I didn't know that. It's it's constant pressure to to advertise in so. Yeah, it's like a ransom. Well, it's a legal. Yeah. And I'm surprised you haven't heard although onto preneurs haven't everybody knows that. That's why I know that some people just ignore it like you said, and but I know that's hard to do. Because people do go on it and maybe make decisions based on that one of my. Former employees wrote about review about us. I'm talking ten years ago. And that is still like on the top of one of my locations because I won't advertise with them. Really? Yeah. So I mean, it doesn't. So I choose to not focus on them because I feel like the more people the more traffic yelp guts, the more power. They have so one of the people that I just won't give them traffic at the moment. And I know that that's not a wise decision. And I am going to have to deal with them. Because a lot of people do use them. I spoke with the salesperson yesterday. I was just like, I know I do wanna update my photos, and I do want to look good. Because I I know that people do use it, unfortunately. But yeah, it stinks because you know, like, I said, we're all human and we do make mistakes. And it's it's you know, when you make a mistake now, it is blasted everywhere. And you know unfortunate though, I mean. Thought I knew there was some scams and gimmicks going on. But I didn't know what was that blatant and that blatant? I mean, I know that that's how it works. You know, you you in a best of Boston. You're in a best of competition. And next thing, you know, you see the advertisements next to the. Yes, petition and you see first place, and I say, okay. Well, this is kind of fixed. I guess it's you know, if you don't buy the ad, you not gonna get listed, and and I get that. But I just I just assumed it was kind of a, wink, wink, kind of thing, but not a full-fledged business model. They won't admit, right? But but there are lawsuits currently happening again. I know that that folks are so frustrated with them in the industry, so frustrated with them. So I choose to like, I said focus, it makes us work harder. You have to be aware you have to be on your toes, and I tried to learn from every customer complaint. Whether you know, it's it's like your automatic. Nick defense mechanism to go. Oh, yeah. We'll person's crazy. No, well, whether they are they're not this is what their this is their perspective, and we need to be aware of other people's perspectives and try to fix it. Even when my best employees who I know is super friendly gets a negative comment. I still talk to them and say you need to be aware of how you're coming off. Because I know you're not, you know, an awful angry person who's yelling people, but this is how you were perceived. So let's let's just be aware the coffee business selling coffee is a difficult difficult a difficult difficult job. Maybe the toughest job out there, and I know that from experience because people very demanding on their coffee. They if it's before they've had their first coffee. They tend to not be in the best mood are they want? They want it quick and stuff in. And I know that it was always difficult for me to keep people because it becomes a grind, no pun intended staff. I mean. Yeah. Because people are. There's sort of on the firing lines. You know for people who are waiting in line. Not happy about the house bat, fascinating service, not happy with the quality or just coffees a tough thing to please people with two tough thing the police people with how do you keep your staff sort of motivated, and how do you keep them because it's a hard business any food businesses tough to keep people anyways, how how do you deal with that part of it the HR part so industry? Standard wise, we have really low turnover. Okay. That's good. It is really good. And I don't I I wish I had a simple answer for you. But I don't know why I know that we'll have people I have people who've been with me for twenty years we've opened for twenty two years we have extremely low turnover. So you must be doing something. Right. We I think we're doing a couple of things right? And. I don't know the answer to that. You know? I I make sure that I'm making the right choices when I hire people to begin with. I interview everybody that I hire. And I usually have someone sitting in with me to make sure and you know, I don't look for experience. I look for friendly. I look for going look for you know, good good people. You know, like. When I'm interviewing teenagers if they've never worked before. We'll what else have you done. Have you baby have volunteered your time? I think whole person is important. And you know, we do have to hire a bunch of people every summer because we have high school seniors that go to college right now where hiring and training, and that's the most turnover that we get is once a year right in it's right now. But maybe you should write a book about that. Because that is a key aspect of trying to figure out what it is you do different because that's almost unheard of in the in the fast food, especially the coffee fast, food, businesses, keeping employees. Again, treating them. Right. But also sort of buffering them from the negativity that sometimes can come across. And I think that's very very specific to the coffee business. Maybe that's just my bias. Because I was in it. But I see it and it's hard. I mean, I the hardest thing I would have is to get people to stay on the counter because when it comes to serving someone coffee constantly young people will try to find anything else to do stack the shelves cleaned the floor to something back and one of my pet peeves is win this one person behind the counter and five people in the back room not break. But when I go to coffee shops, and I know what it is. They just don't want to face the customer, but they don't they'll do anything. They'll clean the bathroom instead of face the customer sometimes. And it's it's a challenge. It's really is a challenge because again, how many so how many people do you serve on a daily basis on an average company coffees sell just to give our listeners some ideas for the kind of turnover in the kind of. Traffic you get per location average between three and six hundred per day cups we sell in. I think so one of the things we address during training is that? So that happens to us as well. If you're in the middle of, you know, doing side work and a couple of people come in come into line. And you're kinda like I hope I hope that person's gonna wait on that person. In everyone kind of ignores we always say the best way to get rid of a customer is to wait on them. So jump on them. If you're in the middle of doing something jump on them quick and get them out. You know what I mean? So we're not high pressure. There's no time limit our customers know that it's going to take an extra couple of seconds to get a coffee break drink because if it's a hot coffee where stirring the sugar if it's nice coffee were mixing, and we hand make everything we don't press buttons. If you go and get a hot cocoa at you know, another place, they press about an. Some stuff comes out actually hand mix. It literally hand mix it. Yeah. And we've seen the and so it's a little bit more time consuming. And I think that's another reason why we have lower turnover Atari to go back to that. No too because we have such loyal customers. And they're so nice. I mean, just the other day we were interviewing and one of our customers brought into cheese pieces from popaginos just because you know, like, it's so nice. We get flowers, and that's the upside that's the ups, you you you can't get overly obsessed with the negativity out there. Yeah. Have to focus on the positive. Yes. And the Serb people and try to make their day a little bit brighter. So how many stores do you have now? So we have three were in the process of opening number four were the for the old colony of yet. We have two in Quincy Quincy center ones on in wahlsten on old colony of the Quincy centers on parking way. And then we have one in Milton which is twenty four central of. And then we have one opening in Hyde Park. Hopefully, definitely August, which is the difference between, you know, twenty two years ago starting this store opening stored then versus opening the store now, obviously have more experience in it. You not winging it as you were with that. I are trying to figure it out as you go. But what would have some of the big difference technology music or any difference and technology or do you have a set standard that you look for depend on the site itself. And the clientele, you know, where you we're opening. We definitely know a lot more now than we than we did then. And I think we're getting pretty good at figuring out a floor plan. I think the first two one of the. One of the things that we did that was very expensive as we built a counter with all wood and shelves and stuff. And hey, twenty two years later that just doesn't it? It's hard. It's hard to replace to clean up. It's clean. It's we don't do that anymore. We have all stainless steel tables, and we have everything moveable. So you can pull stuff out and clean behind and technology. Yes, definitely, you know, we have a different registers now and internet is obviously like we offer internet for our customers for free, and yeah, I think not a whole lot is changed. Okay. I'm thinking about it. But we're definitely more knowledgeable experienced I go, but it stays traditional your concept is your concept. Yeah. You know? And that's what makes it different. I mean, it's not a cookie cutter, basically the way Dunkin donuts or Starbucks would all look the same. Basically. I mean, that's that's the model. They look the same. They feel the same little. Different looked each coffee break. Yes. We'll definitely feel that you're in its coffee break. Yeah. I I mean, I hope we're doing that. That's well. That's the funny thing about entrepreneur entrepreneurs people against some of its highly figured out in advance. And some of it is you you bootstrapping it and you figuring out as you go, and that can be the secret to success to it's not all that sort of automated planned out, but you've obviously had success from one store to four stores and you've been in business for twenty two years that in itself is a success in the coffee business. They come and go they come and go, it's it's really hard, and you and your lifestyle changes. You have children now children when you first started. So you building that around you're working mom, which is a different attitude. See traded the the waitress job for another job that even more, all encompassing. Absolutely real quick because we're going to run out of time. And and I could probably do this for now the half hour, given my interest in coffee and stuff and just wanting to find out, but you also are an author. Yes, he told me before a children's book off some tummy a little bit about that. And. How'd you get into that very similar story? I I was frustrated because I couldn't find what I was looking for your own children books for my own children. I wanted to they love to be read two, and I wanted to read to them stories about a real thing. So my first book is about how to give up a pacify are told from in the children's perspective. My second one is about what's the title? It's babies pinky box. Okay. And it's a little craft story. And then I've got deejays allergies three out of four of my kids, food, allergies. So I wanted to teach young kids about how serious food allergies can be. But in a not so scary way. And my most recent one is no more nightmares in it talks about you know, children who have night terrors and wake up. But again, it's it's like preschool age like friendly. Can you buy the books there? It's on Amazon Barnes and noble website, and Jennifer, Orman dot com is my website. And yeah. In a bunch of local places carry them to in some random. Bookstores all over the United States. So yeah, it's it's been kind of cool, and you you just third. Yeah. The third one came out within the last twelve months, you planning them before you, I have so many of them written. It's I can't keep up. Really my thing. I like to go back and just write it relaxes me. You know for you. Good for you. Well, I've enjoyed the interview. Again, we talk longer about the coffee break successfully. But you've done great work here in really what is one of the capitals of coffee in America. Being the home of Dunkin donuts and all of that history here broken in two succeeded into his name, that's the credit union and all of those people that were. Yeah. I haven't yet. That's the key. That's thank you, Jennifer. She coming in. This is Tim kale profiles and American dream with Jennifer woman of poppy break. Cafe hope you enjoyed it. And tune in next night. Thanks for listening to profiles of the American dream. I'm Tim k hill. Please download and subscribe to this podcast. And let me know what you think by leaving a rating and review till next time. Thank you very much for listening.
03/04: Kentucky blows it, Michigan State comes together, Maryland comes apart, and two amazing stories: UVM's Josh Speidel and Jackson State's "Snacks" Lee
"Aries is carry cash. It's Wednesday march fourth. Twenty twenty. Welcome back to the CBS sports. I on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting a leaky Black Matt. Norlander is here with me and it's been an interesting past couple of days. In the sport coach Kaye told his haters to suck it Maryland blue. It's lead in the big ten standings Michigan State beat another ranked team on the road. After trailing by fifteen points at the half snacks buried three Texas beat Oklahoma at the BUZZER. We're going to get to some of that not most of that before. We're done but I wanted to start with a surprising result in the SEC. Kentucky lost at home but Tennessee on Tuesday night after leading by eleven points at the half and by seventeen points with roughly seventeen minutes to play. Let's start there. It was a historic development on some level because you K- entered with a record of one twenty nine zero when leading by double digits at the half under John Calipari. Now the wildcats are one twenty nine and one in such situations norlander in the spirit of full disclosure. I was sleeping on a plane last night with no Wi fi. At some point I realized Kentucky was in control of the game against Tennessee and then at some point I saw the Kentucky loss control what happened to John. Kerry's wildcats did those crappy efficiency numbers finally catch up to him inside. Randolph more Serena. Yeah I think a little bit there and by the way you picked a hell of a time to fly. I do think that Tuesday night was the wildest most notable craziest of the season in college basketball to to what you let the podcast with in addition to just random stuff that we're not gonNA have time to get to like Cincinnati fans great. Win Rallying Without Jaren Cumberland to stay alive for the incidentally tournament it was. It was a nut so night. There in many different ways in Kentucky Losing Kentucky losing the way it did was a shocker. I'll be completely transparent here. I missed the rally so I had a sitting in my office podcast now. I got two. Tv's and one of them. I always have like CBS sports network. Aim on Fox sports one game and then my other TV because when you have the ESPN APP for your Apple TV. You can go quad box so I always have four games going on the ESPN broadcast Tennessee. Kentucky is one of those but as that's all happening I'm trying to watch all these games the joss by Dell stuff which will get to in a little bit Completely blows up. And I'm also working on the court report and a lead with Michigan State and Thomas Cash Winston so. I'm trying to write with all that stuff going on. And then I look up and out of nowhere. Tennessee's got the game within six and then I did lock in on that defensively. They completely collapsed. It was bizarre. I THINK PROBABLY ABORIGINAL. But what you mentioned there. I think it's a little bit of credence. You know the very nature of predictive data and when you look at these rankings. Ken Palmer tour. Vicar Sagger and pick your pick pick any flavor. There are seventeen hundred of it just basically shows that if you are twenty three twenty five. Twenty seven games deep. Sure that you're capable of going against what your numbers have suggested for two three months but Kentucky fans and you have been. I don't know frustrated maybe Kentucky fans. We're frustrated we were a little befuddled because we've seen Kentucky look so good as of late here but on the whole this has not been a top twenty five team according to the predictive metrics and the collapse on Tuesday night was an indication of that. Now John Volkersen shots the folk. I guess his name they call him the call him Fulke. He was awesome. He made Nick Richards. Look terrible is when Richards. Worst game with the season I do think there's correlation with that and then Hagan's was bad. He was he was a problem Just a lot of bad shots. Three turnovers and Hagen says a guy that needs to be a top three player on that roster so in a nutshell that's it but the rally was insane and it also I got a little bit blowback on a previous podcast. I mentioned how like the Evansville loss. It's a speed bump. It just is. This is also a seatbelt like Kentucky. I think has no shot at a two-seat now even if it wins out and win the bid and wins the SEC tournament. I think it's stealing is now at a three. Because of this loss with Seventeen fifteen remaining in the game it was forty eight to thirty one and I believe from that point forward Tennessee outscore Kentucky fifty two twenty five fifty two twenty five over the final seventeen fourteen of the game. Tennessee ends up shooting fifty three percent from the field and afterward John Calipari. When asked about you know what happened. He said the game got physical and we couldn't compete would just reminded me of back in the days when I covered John a daily basis. He his explanation for losses. More often than not are rooted in. If we'd have just been a little tougher we'd have been fine like if we'd stop. Bnp words We'd been okay like that's his explanation usually and it it So I wasn't surprised to see him. go that route again last night. I didn't see the game. I was on an airplane. But you know when you get out scored fifty to twenty five in the final seven. Fifteen seven seventeen fourteen of a game. something undeniably way way. Raw Kentucky was eight and a half point favorite in the game. And so when you're eating that point favorite in the game against unranked team at home in leading by seventeen you know with less than eighteen minutes to go. That's a bad bad situation. They dropped seven spots in the net spots at Kim Palm. They dropped five spots to number eleven in the top twenty five and one and the resume is now the seven and three and quad one's five and two in which means they're twelve and five in the first two quadrants with the quadrant. Four loss to Evansville and for whatever it's worth. Uk's now thirty at that can palm. And I just went and looked this up earlier today in the past three seasons. Nobody that finish and I know we don't have the numbers based on this day at this time. Just bear with me. What I'm about to say is true. Even it's a bit flawed. Nobody that finished top thirty Ken palm in the past three seasons got anything better than a five seed in the NCAA tournament. Now I think Kentucky would be better than a five seat right now even at thirty two Kim Palm but they are probably going to be seated lower than the fan base wants or thinks based on the fact that yeah. They are outright. Sec Champs but the resume is Is taken a little bit of a hit. And there's some blemishes there that are not impossible to overcome but the things that hurt you on selection Sunday. Yeah I think right now okay. So Kentucky's final game of the season is at Florida on Saturday. That just become like of course they can win a but Florida's favorite to win that game. There's no doubt about it and the gators actually as we record this they are going to play at here Wednesday night. They should Florida better win that game But so that's an intriguing. Matchup between the walkouts gators this weekend and then you have the SEC tournament and historically we have seen that the SEC tournament by nature of when it concludes on the Sunday afternoon of selection Sunday Kentucky has received no tangible seed bump as means of winning the tournament and I think there have been some years where that has been incorrect. Maybe they would have been. I'm just this. These are total hypothetical seats but maybe they would have landed on as the best three when they should have been on the to the side of the Kentucky fans and Calipari had been very vocal about that but also it is just one or maybe two games in what amounts to at that point. Thirty two thirty three even thirty four games worth of a sample size so it shouldn't have too much overwhelming Influence there but the point making in regard to where Kentucky will be seated. Eventually I'm going to guess. Uk lands on the four line. I'm just going to project out here at twenty four and six right now. I think it's going to take one more loss before selection Sunday and I think that'll I think that'll still be good enough to get him. On the four line you can look back Kentucky fans and say the the Evansville home loss the neutral to Utah. And then there's Tennessee. One was the biggest reasons why I will give east pond show by the way as well he was three from three point range he is a future NBA player. He's a junior. He's going to test the waters. Tennessee is going to be super dangerous upon us to come back next season. Because he's a defensive menace. I think a top twenty defender in the country and offensively. His game is coming along quite beautifully. So between ponds and focus in George James the Freshman I had. I had a nice game as well Good on on Tennessee. And good on Rick Barnes who just had another good night and what's been a tough season but the VOL's are you know they are rounding into what could be a spoiler in the SEC tournament and keep in mind. Whatever Tennessee brings back they add to at a top five recruiting class in the country featuring two five star prospects Jaden springer in Kion Johnson. So Tennessee's it's been rough you know. They lost Lamont Turner early in the season. That's tough I think. Rick talked about it last night after the game. Just like you know. We saw a hard thing to do to lose a player of that importance midseason and try to adjust on the fly. And so it's been a a bit of a struggle. Tennessee is not going to be in the NCAA tournament. But if you bring back enough says and then you add that recruiting class They got a chance to be really good. If I were seeding the instability tournament right now I would have Kentucky as a three seat based on where I have in the top twenty five and one I think ultimately you're right it'll be a a three or four you know it'll be in that range. I don't think they'll slip further than that even with a loss at Florida and then a loss in the SEC tournament. I still think they can figure out a way to be a top foresee but We'll see let's move on. Is it time norlander for Maryland? Fans to not start but continue to hate. Maryland? We're GONNA get into that next but first check this up. 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We got a couple of good ones. I on Saturday at one. Pm Eastern. It's number six Kentucky at Florida. John Calipari wildcats. They've already secured the outright. Sec title so this is a big opportunity. For Mike. White's gator to edit quadra one victory to the resume they don't Sunday at four thirty. Pm Eastern it's number Nineteen Ohio state at Number Sixteen Michigan State. Both the Buckeyes and spartans entered the week ranked in the top ten Kim Palm which should be a fun match up inside the Breslin Center. Again you can watch both days this weekend on. Cbs SPORTS DOT COM or in the CBS. Sports Mobile APP. And don't forget it's free and I don't mean it's a free trial or free if you buy some fancy sports package. It's completely free for everybody so come check out. Kentucky. Florida and Ohio State Michigan State this weekend at CBS sports dot com or in the CBS. Sports Mobile APP SO Maryland had a game Tuesday night. It was at the rack which is basically the equivalent of going to Pinnacle Bank in two thousand eighteen. Impossible task it's scheduled law. So unsurprisingly rutgers led by six the half never trailed in the final twenty minutes the final score rutgers seventy eight Maryland sixty seven inside the Quincy dooby center so now Maryland is tied with Michigan State Wisconsin Illinois in the loss column atop the big ten standings before we get to the game Answer this for me if you can deadly what time do you think? Mark Turgeon was in his driveway. Question Road Game. Not Too far. You gotTA figure they bust it right. It's a bus anywhere I mean. It's College Park to Jersey. I don't think that's a plane ride a bus ride. I don't think big ten teams take buses. But that's that's an you're in the air for twenty two minutes you think right. I do forty five minute flights to Atlanta all the time and so it is let. Let's look this up college park piscataway. No we will put in Quincy dooby center and see what pop star. I know. It's technically the Arecibo Quincy Dooby pavilion. That sounds better than Quincy Center. Police get it right. Nose bleed the oprah role in renaming quincy dubious. The exception that proves the rule. Okay I'm willing to work with you on this. But in general the rule is if it's a pavilion the pavilion. If it's a center to center it's an arena. It's an arena. That's how we get Randolph. More Serene Up Rick Nelson Pavilion. Quincy dooby center. It should be the center. But if you want to go Quincy Dooby pavilion. Yes I actually bizarrely. My heels are dug in on this one. Okay this is not where I'm GONNA Cutie. Cutie pizza sounds it would be. It'd be a three hour. It'd be a three hour bus ride. That's a bit long. Yeah we're taking not taking a three hour bus ride to get back style. Which Turgeau getting his driveway? He had a bus. I shudder to think so with the flight this was. I don't remember. There are so many games on Tuesday. Gp I watched it. I think that was a seven o'clock game so nine you're on the building by ten wheels up by. Let's call it eleven down. I think he's driveway by one. Twenty a M. I think. That's hey can't complain. It's not bad you know you can't complain about a lot of other things though with Maryland. Oh my goodness are you freaking out like the Maryland? Fans are freaking out. They lost a game. They are you aware. I didn't read any of these tweets but like I'm prepping for the podcast trying to you know. Get the house cleaning just busy day. And then I I got Maryland fans are I think both are mentioned for like seventy four tweets talking about how tergence better but people have you seen this past. I can't even. I'm going to be completely honest. I don't care there's going tagged and breeding a back and forth between Maryland. Out of your mouth close shots. No showers and argue with each other like I. I don't I don't need to be involved. No not even close. Maryland has lost three of its past for. It's only when you will call the what fifteen point rally at Minnesota like a Maryland is quite easily one or two possessions. One or two shots away from a four game losing streak and not even being first period in the big ten anymore. This team had a three game lead in the conference less than weeks ago. That has evaporated as we sit here on Wednesday morning Michigan State in Maryland or thirteen and six and then Wisconsin and Illinois tied in the loss column both at twelve and six. I don't have Wisconsin Illinois slates up in front of me but I can almost guarantee you that they are playing on Wednesday night. If not me one of let me help you. Wisconsin is home against northwestern. Then they close on Saturday at Indiana and Illinois is tomorrow at Ohio State Thursday night at Ohio State and then close at home against Luca Garza in Iowa on Sunday. Okay so there. We go now for Maryland. You gotta you gotTa find a way to win this game against Michigan on Sunday. Get some sort of momentum going in and hold onto that. I don't know how the big ten I don't know how these tiebreakers were Michigan. Michigan State Maryland have split now and so if they wind up fourteen and six or both thirteen and seven and if Wisconsin Illinois. Don't jump them. I don't know what. The tiebreaker situation is in the big ten. I don't need to know but Michigan Maryland would obviously prefer to have that wants to help it. See Chances here. I also think we're GONNA have a situation here where for sure now. No big ten team is going to be on the one or the two line. Maryland was the only cheat team with chances to win like a week ago. That's gone and it was the only team with a chance at a two. I think that's gone. I mean maybe if Michigan State or Maryland went out. They could be there. Maybe I could see it but I also think that's unlikely I think that's party. And the terrapins and Wisconsin and Illinois are all going to lose at least one more time real quick on rutgers so wins again at home because it always wins at home. I think it's eighteen one this season it has more home wins than any team in America and it's four and nine and quad one four and one quad two and three and one in quads. Three I I guess. I'd I would have rutgers in if we started the tournament today but again they are not sitting pretty all right so talking with Jerry Palm over the weekend and he is tracked this since nineteen ninety four so in the past twenty six. Aa Tournament fields. The only time that any team has ever received in that large with zero one or two wins away from home was Illinois in ninety four and it had to rutgers has one. I'm not convinced that if it doesn't if it doesn't get another win in the big ten tournament that it's going to get picked it does and we'll have A. We'll have a precedent setting team situation there. But that team needs to show up in venues outside of the Quincy Dooby pavilion. It's kind of astonishing. It's racking up some nice winds pun intended there. But it's still gotta do some more and it's got to do it in a hurry now because the the resume isn't for sure a lock it's got eighteen when it's nineteen wins over all eighteen against the one team. That's what the committee will look at. And it closes out the season at purdue team who oh by the way completely curb stopped Iowa on Tuesday night so produce at large chances are still there and we could easily have a situation. If rutgers leases at purdue on Saturday that's GonNa get rutgers to eighteen and twelve and play that will get purdue to seventeen and fourteen. I'd have to weigh at GP. But I would be tempted to say that. A seventeen fourteen. Purdue team would be more worthy of inclusion in the moment there than an eight hundred twelve rutgers team and then they're going to have to do what they gotta do in big ten play. Both both schools in my opinion will need to win at least one once they get to. Indianapolis for the postseason league tournament. Okay predict it now rutgers in the tournament or not I will I didn't mean to put you in a bad spot now. I'll predict A. Here's what here's my prediction. Yes in the tournament it loses at purdue it wins two games in the big ten in sense is if even only wins one. I think it's going to be but I will say yes but I'm not I'm GPA. I'm fifty five forty five on that. I'm not super confident. I think they lose at purdue instill somehow make the term. I'll tell you this okay. They lose it purdue they lose their first big ten tournament. Game is rutgers in yes or no. I'd say no then the answer is no. I don't I don't think there's any way they're in if they lose their next two games that's just me. Yeah they they're going to have to win it. A difficult men like like produce good like purdue got a lot of losses purdue. Good if you can put those two sentences together. Purdue has a lot of losses purdue is good or maybe I should re price their dangerous at home. They have beaten lots of good teams in that building. This season trying to go there. And like if you can't win away from home the is that you win at purdue in good not good at all into a circle back to what we let the Pod with if purdue and Kentucky play on a neutral court in the middle of North Dakota tomorrow produced favor to win the game. It's registered as a better team right now and predicted metrics in Kentucky. So just keep that in mind. I know the the the losses should matter. I get all that but it's going tweak that to the Kentucky I just give it. I'm just getting fired. Hey Kentucky fans my condolences about Tuesday night's seventeen point blown lead. But here's some good news. If you play purdue in North Dakota tonight you'd be an underdog the wildcats just use that as part of your teeth for the podcast of the century. Go okay. Yeah but it was a listen a wild night again. I know you were flying so you didn't get to see a ton but it was. It was noisy between Maryland. There I will loosen the way did At the at the hands purdue and then rutgers getting a win can you allow me to talk on Michigan? Stay here for a second because they also let me put a bottom line on the Maryland situation undeniably. It's been a rough four-game stretch one in three past four lone win at Minnesota but the losses are like at Ohio state. Ohio State Kim pump team. So whatever then like home to Michigan State Michigan. State's obviously really good. We'll get to that momentarily. They're playing at a high level right now. You WanNa win. That would at home. I'm not going to try to dance around that. But you were supposed to lose at rutgers. Maybe you weren't supposed to lose by double digits at Rutgers but you're supposed to lose at rutgers and either way you wake up on March fourth. The team that was not predicted to win the big ten and this team. That started sixteenth at Kim Palm. Right now they are tied for first in the big ten and their fourteenth at can palm and the body of work is still thirteen and seven in quadrant one slash quadrant two opportunities with zero losses outside of the first quadrant. I believe the last time I looked there. Only five teams in the country with zero losses outside of the first quadrant Maryland is still one of them so I just like Berlin fans they can feel however they wanna feel. I'm not here to tell anybody how to feel like things are okay. You're supposed to be a top fifteen. You are top fifteen you were supposed to finish near the top of the tea and you're literally at the top of the big ten like it's things are okay. I just I don't I don't understand. There's a lot of bases that could be flipping out right now. I'm I'm not sure why Maryland fans would ex- except like last night after the game. I get a tweet from somebody and I think it was. Titus was messing around with Maryland fans maybe and then one guy said I'm not surprised even though Gary Parrish has been trying to tell us we're fine. I knew all along. We had a trash coach. What you loved it. Rutgers everybody loses at rutgers is not a bit it's not the worst thing in the world but whatever. I do pick these little things that I root for I would love to get to a final four and And then I was GonNa say and then bounce and find a fan base that properly appreciates him but I don't WanNa go that far away but I would. I would like to see him accomplish something that would maybe win some people over. That's all I may real quick on the on this. No I do think there's another fan base out there. That is similar to Maryland in. It's a disappointment or low bar of expectation for its coach and that team also happened to lose. We don't need to do a deep dive on this but since you mentioned it this did pop into my head since they both lost on the same night and that was marquette losing at DePaul Sixty nine. Sixty eight Marcus Howard still in for thirty one. I don't you know I don't know if this is going to be a thing that cost Marcus our national player of the year top and still got the lead for that. But but I do think that Marquette fans who have been the WHO've caught your eye R- in the past or vice versa. That's another school there. Because they've expected their program to be better under WHOA JER than it has been but again marquette like think about you lost heading into the season. You're still going to make the tournament all is going to be fine. I did actually have someone asked me. If Marquette was in danger of missing the instability asking that because the team's lost five minutes past six but I just don't see that happening. I think you're GONNA win at Saint John's this weekend and you'll get at least one of the big tournament you'll be fine but yes it's becoming a bit of a danger here like the Golden Eagles slipping and sliding where we talked about. Ucla Providence Texas who we can get to all surging. Marquette's been going the other way okay. So we mentioned now Maryland's thirteen and six and the big ten tied atop the league standings at this moment with Michigan State Sexy Michigan State Maryland Wisconsin and Illinois. All tied in the loss column was six losses but the only teams with thirteen wins right now. Michigan State Maryland. You Lead Your Court Report on Michigan State Wednesday morning What's the most interesting thing about it? Well after the Maryland win I mean. The Maryland lost to Michigan State on Saturday. I Sat Tom. Izzo on one. For About Fifteen twenty minutes and he touched on a but he spent about half that time revealing to me. Something that coincidentally came into play on Tuesday night in the midst of the heat of the game so far so Michigan State. Has This just absurd? Rally Relatively speaking Penn state I think blue in nineteen point lead. It was at the end. It's greatest margin. It was nineteen points. Michigan state comes back to them has a career. High Twenty three points fifteen boards. He was awesome caches. Winston was good again but a couple of spots you saw like anger yelling between Izzo and Winston and like Izzo yelling at Winston in the middle of a play and Winston. Not even looking at them. Because there's a one at a time out and he goes and tries to finish play and when you're following the game in you know in real time You notice that there's just a a little bit discussion about like what's up with Tom and caches. Well coincidentally enough three days prior Izzo had told me that you know because of caches. Winston's brother suicide and everything that came with that and everything that cashes at gone through Tom. Understandably had been for lack of a better phrase approaching caches and coaching him with kid gloves. Okay we you and I perish both know. Everyone knows the way that Tom Izzo coaches he is able to give. I think he is able to strike the balance between mania and tough love and it coming from the right place as good as almost any other coach is still has his critics in spite of that. But what is told me was. It's been the hardest thing I've ever had to do. There have been moments in days where you know understandably cash is just not there but it got to a point where. I couldn't do this anymore. I needed to try and in coach him the way that I always have coached him to coach him. The way that I've coached in the past two years and how it helped to a final four and Tom even told me that Tony. Dungy who lost a son to suicide said you need to get back to normalcy? As soon as possible to help you know help caches and help get your season on the right track and even then. Tom Admitted I initially tried a little bit. And I couldn't do it. He had key was Izzo was just draped guilt because of it so they play Illinois Winstons just okay and I think the day or the day after he still notices like. This isn't getting better. So he calls in Winston and his parents and he says. Listen this this Zachary's death is still such a huge factor with this team. I'm lost as a coach. I'm failing cashless. I don't know what to do. I want to be able to get back and coach him the way. I want to coach him and he did not say this but GPS paraphrasing to use a common part of the coaching lexicon. He wanted the mother. Fm OKAY. He wants to really just get into his guys and do all this and he was reticent to do so but his parents and Cassius for like no we know it. This has this is what needs to happen. We I want this and his father saying no you gotta you gotTa push him and even and so. They started doing that behind the scenes a little bit getting back to some sort of normalcy helping that to two and a half hours of practice view. The spot where you know Winston can escape from all the other stuff that he has to live with on an hour by hour basis so is it was very forthcoming. The story is up at. Cbs SPORTS DOT COM. I don't want to give it all away. Some of those quotes. I think are actually remarkable. I wasn't anticipating him being this forthcoming with me. But the timing of him explaining this to me and then I was always going to publish the story Wednesday and then to see it. Play out on Tuesday night and you even saw the press conference after were is I was like. Yeah I was mad at him and he was mad at me and sometimes when you get mad at each other that's when you can bring out the best of each other slightly prayer phrasing. But that's what he meant. This is what they wanted. They wanted. Confrontation they wanted things to return to normal to be aggressive. So I found is as revelations to be interesting and by the way now Michigan State is one four hundred three on the road. This really might be the thing that gets it clicking again here because Winston was the preseason player of the year Michigan was preseason number one team. They haven't been that for lotteries. This is one of them and we'll see if it winds up making a difference later in March GP. I think you're right that Tom Strikes as well balanced as anybody when it comes to being able to push really hard but then also do it without it. Coming across as you're being a bully. You're being mean spirited. Her any of that stuff his players know they. He loves them like the he he'd be builds enough of that up to where he can't have moments in practice or moments like you had on TV on on Tuesday night From talking to coaches about this type of thing over the years the prevailing thought seems to be. You can yell with somebody or at somebody as long as they also know you. You'll laugh with them. You'll cry with them. You'll smile with them like as long as they know. You know you guys can go through every emotion together you can go through that very hard emotion together Bob. Huggins is also very good at this coaches really hard and does it does and I think the coach is really hard but the but then you remember the moment in the final four. Yes like that was. I'm glad I'm glad that happened. What an awful injury on a on big stage. But I'm glad people got to see that version of Bob. Huggins on the court holding his player kissing his player. Because there are sean you referring to Shawn Butler Sean Butler correct. Yeah That that that part of Bob Huggins exist to you. Don't see that as much but you got to see it on that state player every day or they see it often enough to know if this guy's really getting into me even like right here on national television. Bob's built up enough to where it's an oak. He can coach that way so so hugs really good at. That is always really good at that. It's why you rarely in perhaps by rarely I mean never hear former player like former players. Swear by Bob Bob Huggins for the most part Former players swear by Tommaso for the most part and I think this relationship. That's obviously off. The Tom and cash is going through right now. Under unimaginable. Circumstances is a great a great example of that and I can understand. I thought that you got from time. A really really good too because you know this has been a pretty high profile situation but families go through this all over this world every day. You lose like like. Tom Said losing somebody to an accident is one thing you know brother dies in a car. Accident Brother Dies even if brother dies of cancer or all of it's awful and tragic but a brother decided to take his own life. You start to question yourself. What did I do what could I done? Should I have done more? Should I answer that phone call? It can really wear on you like if you brother died in a car accident you don't. I don't assume you'd think it's your fault. Unless like he was drinking and driving. And you could've taken the keys and you didn't do it and whatever but like that's an accident. I'm brother Dies of illness. That's that's not on you. Brother Dies of suicide. Even if it's not on you there's gotta be something that makes you think you could have done more and so when you got player going through that in real time. This isn't an off season tragedy. This happened rights right in the middle of the season. And you're trying to recover from that. I can understand how you I think the way Tom put it as you coach with kid. Gloves like you don't want to push him too hard because you know he's already going through hell and yet ultimately to get the best out of him as a basketball player and by extension. Make your team what it's supposed to be. You gotTA figure out a way to do it and it looks like they've reached that point and I don't want to start connecting too many dots but but it is undeniable. Michigan State is playing. Its best basketball season. Yeah no doubt about it in just a couple quick things I want to just spring off what you said their GP Before I move on but the cash. Winston is not someone who's general disposition demeanor is fiery he is he is savvy intellectual cheery. Just everything about it but you nailed it in that. Having having that natural mentor pupil coach student. Confrontation has been an alchemy that has led to Michigan State. Being a a at or near the top of college basketball almost every single season for basically twenty three twenty four years. Since this has been there I wanted to share one quote in the store and there are plenty more but this was the one where Izzo was getting the most emotive with me when he said quote suicide so much different than an accident which you just alluded to. He's had an accident is one thing suicide. He's blaming himself. Moms blaming herself. It's been every day every day. Try to get him through practice. It's been three and a half months. It's gotten a little better but they were so close. He's to Zakarian in cash. Of course. He says it's almost like when he has a big game like when he got. The assist record is a referencing when when caches set the all time Michigan State. Assist record earlier. This season said that was a tough night for him. His brothers always there to wash those things so with as much joy as it was there was that the other day was his birthday. They always had a family function on all the birthdays. The families like this when he was doing that he was white knuckle squeeze in his hands as he's explaining to me so he said. I call them at seven thirty in the morning. I said all you. Are you all right. End Quote there was also this. That's not in the story you know. Obviously having Zachary going through things with with illness every day someone in the family would call Zachary just to check in say hello and it was not cash. Winstons Day to call him on the day. That's accurate took his life. It was not his. He called him almost every day. Anyway but it was not his day and But that is still something Tom shared with me. That's still obviously six and I'm why wouldn't it? Of course it would so when you understand more of what his parents caches. His other younger brother are are going through how that affects the team. It is you know it's been a constant thing we've moved on. We talk about all these stories in college basketball as we should but they live with it every single day and I wanNA commend. Cash is more than anyone. Izzo had to have the guts to actually call in the family and have that conversation but for cash is Winston and his parents to say no like we realized that dynamic. That's here and the one we want and we need to get back to like you. Coaching me aggressively. And the way that I know you to do it. He could have easily might have been better if he said. I don't want that. But he did want that and they seem to be benefiting from it. So when you watch Michigan State going forward just keep in mind that part of it and seemingly hopefully. They've turned some sort of corner at least in a basketball sense. And if not in a coach player since Michigan State closes the regular season on Sunday with a home game against Ohio state. If they win they will be guaranteed at least a share of the big ten title and that will be obviously caches his senior day. So it'll be Quite a scene there inside a Zibo Center. All right I like it. I like it. Zach Randolph Center. Zebras I like Steve. Oh Yeah I like I love I actually thought you were going to show you how nights court then because I thought you were going through nights all drew drew Lou. I'm loyal to Zebo. He's a fellow knights of the court. That's my Zebo Center. Drew Nights accord insides. Zibo Center coach Kaye told us haters to suck it after Duke beat. Nc state the. We're going to get into that next but first let me tell you about coors light. It's march which means you favorite men's college basketball tournament is there's nothing like the nonstop unpredictable excitement of March hoops. And there's also another worse than being stuck at work while your friends are taken the action at the bar you life. 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I choose when the Games are on and I need a moment to chill you should to mountain. Coal Refreshment made the course brewing company Golden Colorado and remember always celebrate responsibly so duke. Nc STATE ON. Monday night final score was duke. Eighty eight sixty nine inside. Rasheed Sugerman Indoor Stadium. After the Games coach Kaye told fans to leave do players alone on social media and then he added quote. You can question my coaching. And when you do question it by the way just come into Cameron and look the the ceiling and find out if you should question. That were coach K. Coach k. Till twitter to suck banners. Would you make those remarks? Norlander Suck my banners. I don't so I don't have the audio handy and that's actually not good enough. It's not nearly on the level of the the the Duke Coach K. Audio that we require in order for the drops here on the podcast but he said it so this would've been. I don't know if this is after this press conference before. But with so many of these coaches they have they have deals. Where after Games? They speak on local radio. And it's just part of the GIG. The game ends and then they go in the locker with their teams that they go to the press conference that they do the radio show so this was on radio and it wasn't in front in front of a bunch of media members it was just it was merely only in front of the two radio host there so. I thought it was accurate. I mean he's basically he's echoing what we are going to hear from coach. I think on a weekly basis at this point he saying don't go to my players and bitch about what you're going to bitch about in terms of me or the program. They're just they're just young kids and there's no stopping that But maybe if he says it has some sort of impact on ten percent of the population that would have otherwise gone to twitter and at mentioned trae Jones or Vernon Carey junior matthew hurt. That's fine whatever. Keep Jordan golders name out? Your mouth is what I think he's trying to say and then he's saying and if you're going to criticize if you're gonNA criticize anyone criticize me and if you're going to do that. I want you step into my joint here. I will never call it. Rashid Sulu on Indoor pavilion. That's absurd they're like seventy four different players. You should have picked including one transfer out of Duke. He didn't transfer out do he? Got Kicked off the team. I ever do player only Duke Player to ever be dismissed from the bins that Jesse. And he's an indoor stadium. He's saying come look at these banners and he's right because when it comes to this he's He's above the criticism there and oh by the way. Duke wound up Rallying in that game and winning easily it splits the season series with NC state to avoid complete disaster now. Yes it has the home finale against UNC on Saturday. Here's what I find most interesting about this because we've had a couple of these stories in sports in basketball over the past week because thing who who is coach k. even talking to know who's questioning is coaching. It wasn't like we did a podcast after they lost at wake forest and like all right. We need to talk about coach case coaching. Nobody does that. I really don't think any reputable any real person who matters in the world of saying things. Out Loud is questioning coach k. In his coaching I don't think they they the B block of get up. The other morning was about coach K.'s. Coaching so he's very clearly. I guess responding to exactly what he was saying. Social media which means even coach K. is sensitive to what relatively speaking a bunch of nobodies on social media thinking? Say about him and it comes just a few days after John. Moran got like twenty seven points. Fourteen assists in a win over the Lakers Saturday night and afterwards shouted out a thirty five year. Old Hotel salesman twitter that didn't realize realize we knew the dues occupation can save Daniel greer. He works for Drury Hotel. It like my friend Jessica Benson who works for local twenty four Memphis. She had tweeted after the results kings on Friday night. She tweeted something along. The lines of you know this is a lot more fun when the Grizzlies one. Because they're on a five game losing streak after that and this Daniel greer is thirty five year old hotel sale but he tweeted. You know I like this a lot more. John had that fire. He's got no chip on his shoulder anymore and John Moran replied to it with the crying laughing Emoji and then went out and bawled out against our King and Save Your Lebron James and the Lakers and then in the post game interview on the court said I wanNA shout out the guy on twitter. Who said I didn't have my fire. This one's for you. You motivated me. It's like it's John out there pissed off and bothered by just random guy and it's it's a IT'S A. It's evidence that we are living in times unlike any other times because if you go back twenty years the WHO could really question Mike Francesa's coaching or the fire inside. Somebody like John Moran John Feinstein Okay. There would be a columnist. Okay columns voice and a platform to do that. Perhaps a radio host would have a voice in a platform to do that and maybe somebody on. Tv would have a voice platform to do that. And that's it. You know the message boards worn a thing. Facebook wasn't twitter. Wasn't a thing so even if somebody was actually questioning you as a coach unless it's somebody from that very small umbrella I just I just presented. You wouldn't even know that that's happening but now you know that it's happening. Because twitter combined with facebook combined with every other social media outlet provides literally everybody who wants to voice to have a voice. Now this is where it gets a little confusing not everybody who uses these things to create a voice for them so their voices don't matter you have to remind yourself of that every day even when you're just somebody like me much less John Maranda or Mike shefty in Tom. Izzo was talking about social media earlier in the season. Like you have to figure out a way to convince yourself these voices don't matter like why do I care what this person thinks? I isn't qualified to have this conversation with me. They're trying to have so. I'm not GonNa Bother me but is if I'm being honest eye irritation sometimes by people's opinions on social media even though I know deep down their opinions. Don't matter shouldn't matter to me you still get irritated by it. And at the highest level of sport John marantz multimillionaire about to be rookie of the year. Leading the franchise to the playoffs. Mike Francesca is the goat and they still get so irritated by random opinions from mostly anonymous people that somewhere they're motivated to not just they're motivated to not just think about it but even publicly acknowledge it and sometimes passive aggressive ways. I think that this also and I've had a few conversations with coaches the season. I actually think you mentioned Izzo. He's brought up in press conferences. We talked about Segment on the PODCAST. Within like the past month the trickle down effect is this these players in and frankly I saw it. I saw it on Saturday when I covered the Michigan State Maryland. Game there in the Locker Room and within ten minutes. They obviously no fault of their own. Whatever the everyone does it but they are looking at their phone. They're looking at social media and they're checking. Their APP mentioned. Some are actually coach. Tell me some players actually. Don't check their at mentioned they type in in search their actual name to see what people are going after the player examples. Okay you're just you are a fan or critic or whoever and you are tweeting out. Criticism or praise of the player and not even and not specifically bringing it to their attention by mentioning their handle in it. And because of that can happen is when these coaches have occasional one on one meetings with the players in season. How you doing? We're working on this earth. Meet with a couple of guys with their teams and players telling them at least some of them will say. Donna right man but I got this concerned this concern and sometimes those conversations can lead to well. Why are you thinking this? Why are you thinking that well you know people on twitter or Social Media Instagram? Or whatever any of these you know. They're noticing it. My Boys told me about it. And so that's why I eventually fee it. Filters back to the coaches and then they get frustrated even more so because chefs Ki. Listen Does Mike. Strategically has have a burner twitter account. I guess it's not inconceivable had said that he hears acknowledged that he does. He has twitter account that he followed. He wants to follow his players. See what they're tweeting and it's not like under coach k. Variety it's just it's A. It's a a secret account. Okay so so he is actually doing it. But you get the point. I'm saying generally coach K. is not Living on a daily basis on twitter. I think that's fair to say the dude is a is a little bit busy busy. But that's how we wind up getting into situations like this and then Microsoft ski saying what he said on Monday night. Yeah like even my mom every once in a while we'll see something on facebook and it'll be like you know I I take Gary Parrish or something about it. I think it shows sucks or he talks too much about this or that or whatever and my mom would be like yes I saw on facebook. That people were mad about and I said who is mad. And she's like I don't know who they were but it was like and I was like how many like I don't know it was like two or three people. Why do you think I should care what two or three people who you don't even know who they are? Well why should I care what they think about anything? Like why are you? Where are you telling me this I like? I'm not like I know those people exist but like they don't matter just because they have a facebook account doesn't mean that I should care what they think about anything as it relates to my job in so I remind myself I try to remind myself of that all the time and yet it is interesting to see. Mike Chefs key is bothered by the same types of things so much so that unprompted he brought it up on a post game radio show. And that's mics cued like if there's anybody in college athletics above being questioned it's probably that guy and yet he still feels like he's being questioned by somebody and in feels compelled to shout that person town and tell him to suck suck as banners again live on radio just sort of an interesting story that illustrates exactly the the world. We're living in now. And how big of an impact social media has on all of us that that Dylan social media particularly any of us who have public jobs like if you're a basketball coach or a basketball player or yes even basketball columnist It's a you hear things that you otherwise in a different air. You wouldn't hear you wouldn't even know that they exist now you hear them every single day and I do think it can have an impact on people even people as successful as Mike Jesse. Let's move on a couple of cool senior day stories over the past few days. Vermont's Josh Speidel. And Jackson States Thomas. Less Aka snacks both went viral for very different reasons. Norlander just let you walk us through these doors. Well we talk about Yeah the stuff was K. And then this is the exact opposite here. Soon Jackson stay. Current Trivia time Most accomplished famous Jackson State Alumnus. Not Basketball specific. But in general to Lindsey Hunter Come on man. Why would I ask you this question? Oh it's Walter Payton there. We go Swiss shots Walter. Payton they we go. I quit Walter. Payton story okay. I'm always make however long you'd like it man so few years ago. GonNa Walter Payton. I was he from Mississippi. Yes I believe so okay so Walter. Pay a Walter Payton Memorial Foundation or something like. I know where you're going with this. I believe continue and We get in my radio producer at the time. This is this is probably eight. Nine years ago gets a email from the Walter Payton Foundation. Like Hey we're having this golf tournament you know. And we'd love to have somebody on the Gary Perez show to talk about it to try to bring awareness to it and you know Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and Mike. The these are some of the people who were playing in it. And if you'd like to get any of them on radio for ten minute interview We'd be happy to do that. And my producer. Just scans the email like clearly trying to juggle a million things doesn't really read it and he replies and copies me on the reply and so this is the first thing I see is the reply. And it's like hey let's just say the lady's name's Pam Pam really appreciate you reaching out. You know what we'd love to have Walter on. We could do that Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday at four twenty five simply war or we could record early afternoon. Whatever works best for for Walter works best for us really appreciate you reaching out looking forward to it and I read this email. And I'm like do Walter. Payton has been dead for a decade. Yes in my and my producers trying to Walter Payton for later on so shovel. I remember this because real quick I went on your radio show within a month of that and So this is like two thousand eleven two thousand twelve and your producer picks up and I think I think medicine something like. Hey I got Walter. Payton here for you. I knew it had happened. And he's like Oh man oh man I'm so but it was. It was so I call him and I'm like dude. What are you doing with that email? And he said well that'd be cool to get Walter Payton right. I'm like Walter. Payton has been dead for ever. What are you talk? You just emailed somebody. Who's probably close to the Walter? Payton family because they're running the foundation and ask them to book. Walter Payton for Thursday and Walter. Payton has been dead for since nineteen ninety nine. I nineteen ninety nine. That's correct and he's like Oh my God and the poor lady who on the other end of this doesn't she hasn't responded yet. You don't know what to say like what do you want to do at that point like well you know? Mr Peyton passed in ninety nine thousand nine hundred and he sends another email follow up. He's like oh I'm so sorry I I didn't realize Walter Payton literally like argue with the best football player in history has been dead for thirteen years. So tell this story on radio the next day and we spent the like. We spent like an hour taking 'cause recommendations from listeners. About who Brag could book for the show but only dead people so it would be like It'd be it. I know this is a sports show but if you could get John Lennon. That would be amazing. Brad write that down John Lennon. Let's see what we can get done there and so we turn that into a bit but anyway that's that's the only about that man yet all too Payton. He is my. That's my all time sports hero. Everyone's got one and Yours was who is yours on the mets strawberry. Doc gooden docket and there we go. Yeah so yeah so back to start this Walter Payton Selma Mater Jackson State here shops the Thomas Snacks. He was student manager. Got On the floor. I mean everyone listening to this. As seen the video plenty of times shops to the swagger back for naming snacks the player of the week in the final week of the regular season. See What I love about this story unless I unless I have missed another field goal attempt snacks unjustified L. Vermont are the two best stories of the week in the sport and they both were one for one from the field. One was at the start of a game and the other was at the end of the game at this actually true. I don't think he wasn't one for one. Got Some more I think. Snacks missed his first. Three Oh you did okay way. The video is edited. It looks like snacks. Got Into the game and then buried one from twenty eight when I read a little more like snacks open three to start. Okay never mind. I just keep rolling with it here but that was It was an awesome moment because he's a student manager what I thought. I don't know if you've thought this as well. I did a quick. I did a quick researching the find out that it wasn't the case. Do you remember the vine from five four five years ago with Taco fall and a big big Chubby kid when they were playing the same guy I was like? Is this the same? As like? Because that vine is hall. Leiria's issues like five foot ten fat kid and TACO FALLS. Trying to post up in the lane and the kid is just like ain't going to happen here man. He's like he's like waving his finger. He's shaking his head and it's just a complete physical mismatch visually. It's incredibly funny I'm sure plenty of our listeners. The exact fine. I'm talking. It is one of the best minds of all time and I thought this at Same Dude. It would have been in credible if it was but they are not the same person but shouts to a snack or having his moment and getting player of the week. That is absolutely fantastic and he was the viral sensation of Tuesday morning. And then Tuesday night into Wednesday morning here Joss by Dell at Vermont and You know that's where I grew up in South. Burlington olive literally like a nine minute drive to Patrick Jim. They're in Burlington on the campus of UVM and no doubt most who are listening to this have seen the play and and heard the story. Because of it. But I'll be really quick here. Speidel lived in Indiana Okay and he was on the level of a borderline four-star. If not if our prospect in the midst of his senior year he was six eight to fifty could shoot strong as an ox and wasn't absolute beasts in the fact that he was going to. Vermont was a huge get for Vermont. I talk with John Becker. Uvm's coach on Monday in advance of the story knowing what they were going to do and what they were. GonNa plan and he said he was the best player that we've ever recruited since I had been here and he's been there since two thousand six when he was an assistant under Mike. Lankan Becker has been an amazing coach at that program for a long time and So that says a lot considering that Anthony Lamb who was on this Vermont team and is a senior is a top player in the history of the program. He Sang Speidel as a prospect was even better than lamb at that point but he has this horrific car accident. You did on. His driver side has severe brain issues. Goes INTO A coma for more than a month has to relearn how to walk and talk in all of it? I mean just an awful awful story. They weren't convinced that he would ever initially He would get out of a vegetative state than they weren't sure if he was going to be able to ever be out of a wheelchair and now look at them on floor. He's been doing all these workouts for four years on the while. The team practices Josh on the side doing planks and doing core work doing lifts and he's he's still with with a little hitchen escape. But Becker told me that the progress is made in the past year has been astounding and it was so amazing to see the response to the story. Credit to Albany. Coach Will Brown for agreeing to let it happen because it provides a something that's so much obviously larger than sports. That building was incredible. Happen to have a few friends from high school shouts. Sba Chess Class of ninety nine. Who were in the building on Tuesday night and It was just obviously highly emotional. Highly charges an incredible buzz a lot of noise there and I do have a story up on it if you wanna read on the site as well but gp just just incredible stuff. I loved after the fact when he had the interviews by Dell and he said listen I know I know the shot but tonight wasn't about me. It actually was my man but the fact that you would say that is incredible. He joked about intentionally missing the shot because he wanted also get an offensive rebound little pad the stats sheet action. I thought he was. He was amazing. And then Becker went on speech On sports late at night and it was It was just. It was great all around. And what an amazing way to start this month of March those two stories particularly happening in the same base snacks leading into Speidel. And oh by the way Vermont. Should win should win the America East for the third time in four years? And if that's the case Becker told me it is no coincidence. This is arguably the best four year. Run in the history of the program. Josh being here is a huge part of it I loved it. I thought it was really sweet and you would expect his teammates to embrace him the way that they did. I love the Albany players embracing the way that they did. They don't they don't know him but they know they understood what that meant to him to his family to his teammates for them. All to to say okay. Let's let's game started now. Let's stop it and let's let this young man have this moment. I just thought it was everybody involved. Handled it a terrifically and it's such a you know I was mostly unfamiliar with the story until I I you know I see it on twitter and then I and then I'm just intrigued. Start reading about it. And it's just heartbreaking and a reminder of how random life is you know he he there he is he commits to Vermont. And he's averaging twenty points per game in high school in life is perfect and then it's not you know he's a horrific car accident. It's actually remarkable. He's doing as well as he's doing because they didn't expect that he was a coma for five weeks. Doctors told his parents that He'd be in a vegetative state probably for the rest of his life that he would need to be taken care of for the rest of his life. I mean imagine what that must be like for a for a parent you raise a son. He's happy healthy. Strong -CCOMPLISH SMART is going to play division. One men's basketball star player and then like he might not live and if he does live he'll never live a normal life again. That's that's what you told. And then you fast forward to you know to to now. And he's about to graduate from Vermont. A grade point average above three and he'll never be the basketball player that he once was But you know given where he was on the night of that accident. The idea that he's walking talkin able to enter a basketball game. Get a shot up graduate. College live mostly normal. Life is a a pretty incredible thing but I I will tell you when I read that story. I don't it. It makes me nervous. I have a seventeen year old son. Who's driving now and I have this life three sixty APP where you know. We all know where we're at all times and we all know You know when you're driving on this APP. It shows like you know. This is where this person is there going forty four miles per hour. They just turned here. They just turned their like you. Watch it in real time and I find myself like every morning when he's driving a school like I'm I'm watching it just like nervous like is everything going to be okay. Like it's no way to live. But that's how it's weird and you'll realize this as your children get older you think as they get older you get less worried about him. It's actually the opposite. You get more worried about him. Because they're outside of the house more you you have less control They're driving like Friday night. My sons on the LACROSSE team at his high school. And after the game or match whatever they call it unfamiliar with Lacrosse. He and his buddies going out to dinner and he said Hey. Can I go to dinner? I said sure and then he said Okay and then I'll come home and it's over. I said fine. I'll watch him on the APP and he goes to dinner. And then it's probably. I don't know ten o'clock at night and I see he's on the interstate headed back home and then I see. It says zero miles per hour on the interstate now moving but he's on the interstate. I just like I go round stairs. I wake my wife up. My wife was already asleep. Kelly Aden's on the interstate but he's not moving. He hasn't moved in five minutes and he's not answering my phone call. She jumps out of bed like we're getting ready to drive there. He calls. He's okay. I'm like what what what are you. Okay said Yeah I just. I didn't have my lights on. I got pulled over. There was nothing but still but you have that five minutes where my son's dead. I don't I don't think head went that far but did this kind of stuff. Inner your head yes because it really that kind of thing really does happen to people so it's just a tragic and sad story on some level but man what a special moment that was last night for the family Fa- Josh for for both the teams involved Shasta Vermont shells to Albany. It was just not everything that goes viral. Makes you smile but man if you don't smile at that sums not right with you and then snacks. It's just hilarious. My Guy Is Heavy. Set and launching from thirty feet just gotten can launched. It even got like he was getting re tweeted by Kevin. Durant like man. It's the absolute best I love. You won't remember every college basketball player but I feel like even ten years from now. You remember what snacks pool from thirty people. Remember when snacks pool from thirty. So so that's terrific. Let's get back request. First question comes from somebody who identifies not great Nike. I don't know that's the name they type Dan and he or she points out that Ucla could theoretically win the PAC twelve and steal missed the instability tournament and then he or she flips it straight into a Trivia Time. Trivia Tom Boy. When's the last time? Pac twelve champion missed the NCAA tournament. I got a I got a reply Trivia. Time after this. It's got it's got to be so it's other Ucla Oregon. And I'm going to say it's Yeah. I'm going to say it's Oregon like six years ago. That's an incorrect answer. The interest Washington in two thousand twelve. You know what I knew that. Yeah that's right. It is twenty four and eleven overall fourteen. Four in the league went to the nit. Tony Roten Terrence Ross and Abdul Guwahati. Tony wrote and I believe he was a junior by the way I knew it was Washington. That was a complete blood brain fart. All Right Trivia Time Trivia time so right now. Arizona State is in second place for the PAC twelve Arizona. State is one of four schools to not have any league tournament or regular season championships. No banners since one thousand nine hundred seventy five between the ACC biggies big ten big twelve sec impact while there are eighty seven schools. Only four of schools in those seven conferences have zero tournament or regular season championships in the past forty five years. We don't spend a lot of time on this Arizona State's one. Can you give me the other three? Let's get in six total guesses Washington state that's correct. They are two of the four pin state. Incorrect Penn State one eight ten title in the early nineties forgot. They were over there. I'm the I'm the master ceremonies eighteen. You didn't realize it. I'M GONNA go with North. Western northwestern is correct. Northwestern has never won a big ten tournament title and has never finished better than fifth in the regular season. Standings since nineteen seventy five. So you have one more in and you get three guesses job here right now. By the way I feel pretty good about how things are going right now. Is the ANSWER BOSTON? College it is not BC. Won The big east and five. Is The answer to more ole miss? It is not Ole Miss Ole miss won the SEC tournament in the past ten years but they are close. Marcia Anderson shops the Marshall Henderson. That's exactly when they did it when he was on the team. The last one is tough. It's not tough historically but it's tough within the context of this season in recent seasons. Okay is the answer. Tv You TCU. One in the Mountain West. I believe they have one as of late. Yeah Okay my guesses your book. How about we just do one more? Okay one more power conference I'M GONNA pick this league. Do I think I got it. I don't think you do is Nebraska Nebraska when the big eight conference tournament Nineteen ninety-four. That sounds made up. It's not made up but it's the only one they got schools that came dangerously close but are not also incorrect shots to south Florida when the Sun Belt Ninety East Carolina. What got the Autobahn Ninety? Three out of the CIA. Ucf former ason champions earlier this century and even to lane. That's right to lane one. A REGULAR SEASON TITLE IN UTAH. At what Conference Nine Hundred Ninety two. That's the Great Midwest West. Now it's the Metro Metro. I thought it was a great chef. Marcus Nelson Correcting me. Rutgers has like five of these by the way in the past forty five years. That was a shocker. You know what school comes dangerously close. Virginia Tech Won. The you know it Metro in seventy nine joust Bimbo Coles. That's right Colorado would be on the list if not for winning the Two Thousand Twelve PAC twelve tournament. Usc Only has the PAC twelve tournament title and the eighty five regular season title and cal only has a two thousand ten PAC ten regular season title the only other school. How about this one? Oh and three and big twelve title game. It's best finish in the league. A second. Your Baylor Bears Baylor Bears Baylor Arizona State Washington state northwestern of the only four schools in the major seven conferences to have zero tournament or regular season championships since nineteen seventy five. Do you predict that changes this season? Who that's a good one because I actually all that information by the way if you want all those details. It's Wednesday's Court report. I'M GONNA say it doesn't. I don't think that there will be able to tie with Kansas atop the regular season standings and. I don't think that Baylor will win the big twelve title and also the same for Arizona State which is now a game behind the PAC twelve. And I don't think it wins. The league bracket there either question number two because from a fellow named Josh. He's a Texas Fan. He was planning for a coaching change. Now he's all in on shock smart once again and wants to know if Shaq is really going to save his job that is after Texas beat Oklahoma at the buzzer on Tuesday night. Matt norlander is shocking. Smart OUT THERE. Not only making a push for the incidentally tournament but out there making a push to remain. Ut's men's basketball coach shocked. Smarts GONNA coach. The Long Horn next season in Texas is going to the tournament. The sequence that went that went down on Tuesday night inside the TRAE. Young Center was insane Christian doolittle an eighty percent. Foul shooter actually. I think we called it. The what's what's do what's to do from the early. Two thousands really warn we call it willing Willie warm and that's not my guy. It's my guy blank and it doesn't matter anyway. Kristin do little Mrs both foul shots there up to Oklahoma Matt. Coleman's absurd three Tuesday night was a joke. Texas is building a self quite a gorgeous and AA tournament profile. It's still needs to get more done by gorgeous. It's all relative here. They're just surging. As of late like those bruins like this providence friars so big time ups to them and. Yeah shocker smarts. Going to save his job longmore going get to the tournament for the third time in his five seasons. They will not get rid of him. I think even if they don't make instantly tournament I'm at the point. Where why not? Just keep him. Okay so listen. Every there's no seniors on the roster. I know they could theoretically bring everybody back from a team. That's playing well in late February March. And they don't have anybody signed yet. I don't believe but they're involve with Greg Brown. Like you bring this whole team back and then enroll a five-star like Greg Brown like that team. That's a preseason. Top twenty. Thirteen in Texas has agree. What's interesting is Texas wins as an underdog last night there on this five game winning streak for the game they were underdogs in one five and a half point underdog at Kansas State. Win Five point underdog at against West Virginia win that one eleven and a half point underdog at Texas Tech. They won that one and they were seven point. Underdog at Oklahoma. They won that one so playing. Well bring you bring back everybody of importance. Maybe add a player here or there. It's preseason top twenty thirteen. Why would you pay ten million dollars to get rid of a coach of a preseason top twenty five team? Forget about what he's done in the past just when this season's over there's a good chance you gotta have a coach who's going to have a top twenty five team next preseason. Why did you pay to menage make that go away? Hollis price was who I could not think of House Price Shasta Hall is price. You're right I- I largely agree with that if you can get everyone to come on back here. But they have just been. They've been a wonderful story as of late now. That was an absurd win. I mean they they they absolutely pull it out the back side there but they get whatever you get the win you get the win. You get the win. And the purdue went on the road to start. The season keeps looking better because produce getting closer tournament. As is there so not there yet but certainly Just striking the right way and should get a sixty six straight win with the home finale against Oklahoma state on Saturday you blow that then yes things get very messy in a hurry. But I don't think that's going to happen. Texas it setting himself up quite nicely. Yeah the seven eleven and quadrant one slash quadrant to opportunities zero losses outside of the first two quarters. So that's good. The loss column is is rock. Solid question number three comes from a blue gator fan. Who is fed up with conference rankings personalities that the big ten and big twelve rate as the best conferences in the country. It was this way last season. It's that way again this season but the big ten. This person points out hasn't won a national championship since two thousand in the big twelve hasn't won one since two thousand eight. Do you realize Kansas is the only big twelve school to win the tournament since nineteen fifty five. Oh nineteen fifty. The only big twelve team to win a national championship is the Kansas Jayhawks since nineteen fifty. So does this person make a good point? Stop calling these leagues the Best Leagues in the country. They never actually produced the national champion. And you don't have to be the best league to produce the national champion though. The Leagues are evaluated based on the strength from top. To bottom. Every single team counts the first as much as the tenth as much as twelve or the fourteenth. So that's why so I don't I don't agree with that. Obviously helps the case and for the big ten particularly this season if he can somehow managed to get Michigan State of Maryland to win the entire thing then. Yeah that would go a long way to helping. I guess but from purely an empirical standpoint The Mash shows that they are the best. And that's that is what it is but I will say I said this with the great legendary John Fanta on inside the big east this week. I think that the big east actually sets up better than the big twelve and big ten to have more teams in the sweet sixteen because I just on the whole. We're speaking here in advance of what's going to be a lively night in the big east. I just Villanova Seton Hall Providence. Yeah that's right. I said no not really but Creighton Butler was really good earlier in the season. I think that those four I have a good shot to make deep runs sweet sixteen day and then founded a bridge too far. But you get what I'm saying there so I think that's why you sometimes have fans say steph stuff like that because you have more. Acc teams and bigger teams wind up winning National Championships. But no big ten is the best in the big twelve has been the best six of the seven seasons and yet the big ten has not won a national championship since two thousand in the big twelve hasn't won one since two thousand eight. Three Leagues have multiple champions in the past. Ten Years Victim. Zero Victoria has zero. Three Leagues Have Multiple. Champions in. The past are two leagues rather have two leagues have produced multiple champions in the past ten years. It's the ACC Duke twice North Carolina and Virginia and the Big East Yukon. When you come in their two thousand Eleven Louisville in Villanova won it twice in the other two champions in that ten year period Kentucky in two thousand twelve out of the SEC and Uconn two thousand fourteen out of the American athletic conference shelter to Devon down. He shouts Chester South Carolina. Shasta Terry M. F. LEGEND CHEFS TO LEARN L. Please go subscribe to the island. College Basketball podcast via apple podcasts rated favourably five stars. Nice comments that we will talk to you again on. Friday promised. Tilden College Basketball. Fan OF SOAP. Gary reminding you to watch it on. 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