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Lloyd Pierce and Quin Snyder

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41:47 min | 8 months ago

Lloyd Pierce and Quin Snyder

"Everyone welcome into another edition of the woes pod. Here? The LANTA hawks coach Lloyd Pierce. Utah Jazz coach. Snyder who together have formed. A committee racial justice? And reform with the National Basketball Coaches Association. Several meetings over this weekend among the League's thirty coaches and And these are chew now of the leaders of the NBA's coaching fraternity who are determined to have an impact. Not just in their communities and with their organizations, but nationally. Right now in this time. Of crisis. Quinn Lloyd. Guys. How are you this morning? Good, things going well. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having us. Thanks for jumping in this was. For everybody in this country, this has been. A dramatic and heartbreaking. and. Really devastating period of time over the past week weeks, and the Coaches Association which you two are obviously. A part of. issued a a strong statement. This morning we reported on it. About police brutality racial profiling. The weaponization. Of Racism and talked about how shameful inhumane intolerable it is. There's a lengthy statement that available for people to read, but what you also did this weekend. Guys was put together a committee on racial injustice and reform the try to pursue some solutions. Around NBA cities. And I think people are familiar with some of the names that. Committee spent some of the. Certainly some of the leaders, not just in the NBA, but in all of sports as Socialist Break Popovich Steve Kirk. David Fidel Standing Gundy but also Lloyd. Pearson Quin Snyder and you guys are part of that committee. Take me through Loyd and you were instrumental in putting this together from Friday night until Saturday When you get thirty and coaches on zoom call. Was the conversation in your coaching fraternity about. Really activating as a route. Honestly a lot a lot in a in a very short period of time, I just got enough a zoom call Thursday evening with our players in our staff. In a shocked, our players with the emotion, I expressed about the event events of occur over that few days. I think at that point Thursday is just Sunday and Monday night where we're seeing the incident in New York. We're seeing the debt in Minneapolis. And and From that speaking engagement with the players and the emotional side of it, I just could not stop thinking that. This has to be discussed. Things have to change. We have a platform. What can I do with our team with our organization? and naturally with our Coaches Association of which we all belong in were all unified on a lot of different things, but this is probably the most important thing that we need to be unified on, and that's that was simply just a phone call you know reached out to David Vogel Fogo. Data reach out to Rick Carlisle sat down and talked, and I express what I've expressed. Who Tony Wrestler what I've expressed to our players in in what alternate x-press to to the coaches. I am not okay. I was extremely emotional this week. There's a fear as as an African American man. Forget the coach part the coach part of the relevant. AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN! There's a fear that I that I. have that I know a lot of other people have. That needs to be addressed. It needs to be spoken about. And you know I told brick. And I told David said if we're if we truly are an association. If we were coaches, association were unified on certain things. This is the most important thing we need to do. Something and it has to happen now and. Know Rick was tremendous. Talking about Rick Carlisle! Rallies President of the Association. Yes, he was tremendous. I I've been. I've been in a lot of conversations with the assistant coaches in our league that are African American and J. B.. Bickerstaff is in our committee just so. That left out. And he's in that conversation that I have with the Jamaa. Moseley David Van Pool. Jj Outlaw Johnny Bryant John Bryant a Darvin Ham. There's so many people that that we speak to consistently not just about this, but are all the time. And they're all messed up. They're all bothered. They're all emotional and I expressed that to the coaches. So the conversation was. Initially. Get every coach on zoom call, and we all need to communicate well with one another about what's going on just amongst us so that there's a greater understanding of what's going on in our world. We have a leadership position. We have a platform, but if we don't really understand the true that the true origin of the problem, and the fact that it's affecting some of us, if not all of us, and it should be affecting all of us with the fact that is affecting all of us. We need to figure this out now and. To every coaches credit you know Jay, bickerstaff, myself and Rick. We split up the thirty coaches in the NBA and we just call literally personal phone calls and and and. You know my my my first call was to coach crop. My second call was a coach Kerr. And? That's my relationship with those guys from Team USA and we've had this conversation before when we were in China over dinner. I just asked. Can you guys? Are you available to have a meeting and I need your support because I just feel compelled. We have to do something as coaches association, and that's how the meeting started the everyone. Within I would say two hours was reached, was contacted by myself. riccar lower or JV bickerstaff, and every coach was fully supportive, and in attendance the next day at five PM quint, and I think part I was told that the some of the conversation centered on. This weekend. With your group was this has to be. Off Thirty coaches, and there's one hundred eighty assistance in you know. Certainly head coaches have a different public platform than an assistant would have. But I think the idea that. This isn't something as a group. We're going to just leave to either. Are Black coaches. Or Steve Kerr Gregg Popovich. Stan van Gundy when he's been a head coach in a league and I know he was a part of that letter this weekend. Part of this stand has been. A voice on these issues, but The idea that everyone's gotta play a role in this Quinn fraternity. was that something you felt among the group? Yeah, I think the first thing I felt because the meeting. Began with Lloyd. Expressing himself. and really asking us. Without being. Accusatory in any way, but to me. Trying to be transparent with myself and. Frankly some of the you know one of the things that you talked about was the conversations that you had with assistance and. Some of the guys that Lloyd just mentioned Darvin Ham Johnny Bryan. Or close friends of mine and. I know as you're thinking about. Yourself and what your role is. You know. I, know I had done the kind of job at that moment that I could have done. Communicating with those guys, not just as friends, but as African American coaches Janis on my staff. and it made me as Lloyd was talking more as J. B was talking as Alvin Gentry was sharing. It made me. You know catch myself. In you know, ask some really. Trying to be transparent with yourself and being a little bit uncomfortable that. You know in your heart. You Know I. Don't. I'm not a racist so to speak, but that's. That's not really what this is about I mean it is fundamentally. but it's also about being willing. On to have that dialogue. To be transparent to be honest with yourself and ultimately think as a white man. A would I was hearing. Was We need help? And it's not enough juice. Just support. I mean there has to be a willingness. To confront these things. When you see them, be willing to take action and to Lloyd's point. You know I think this isn't. This, was all the coaches and I. Think all the coaches being aware. Of the fact that we we coach some tremendous. Tremendous men in the players and their active in their communities in the things that they're doing, but also wanting to. Know to stand. On Our On our own and you know Lloyd, speech was impassioned I I. Think you qualify Lloyd before you started talking? and that was impactful as powerful and I don't think there was a guy in the room. That didn't feel that so. You know that that we've all got a different perspective in a different experience, but in the fundamental things that were talked about and share it, and there was real dialogue. I think we're all. Not just a line, but but you know very much. Shared his. Vision of what hopefully. We have an opportunity to try to do. With real guidance in the right coach. NBA teams go from good to great. Just like real help from your state farm agent can make all the difference and protecting what matters most. And when you think about coaches who had made an impact, not just on the court in which championships, but on issues of social impact. 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Short Floyd in the state of Georgia, the young man from Brunswick, Georgia. Who was? Shot down on a road in your state this is. Certainly it's. This is a national issue. It has been very much a local regional source of pain for those in Georgia. Lloyd. The last few weeks from that murder through. George! Floyd, and then the protests in Atlanta. Over the weekend. What is it Ben like? In your shoes through your eyes in this environment really over this maybe especially intensive. Carried a time you know it's. One of the things that have as made me more outspoken in the last few weeks I guess. Is Kind of how you frame the question. And, so you talked about Ahmad Berry and you talked about George Floyd. How far back do we really want to go on this issue? And I think what happens is. You don't find that that troop impact or that awareness or that that feeling of being disturbed Attila. It becomes regional until it becomes. For, Ryan Saunders, until they hit Minnesota for Quin Snyder until it hits. There's protests in salt. Lake City. Until it hits your home all of a sudden. It's a little bit more impactful D'Amato very was I. Went up to vacation at Jekyll Island, which is right next to Brunswick last April, so I know the area. It's what my family. My wife's family goes every year the that's the problem in of itself as as you know we've been. We've been complicit. We've all been complicit in our own way. whether we just don't say anything about it or we move on from it and. Maybe the pandemic as forced us to sit here and watch this literally watch George Floyd died in front of us because we have nowhere else to go right now. And and the people are able to ride protests whatever they're doing. People are expressing their anger. We're expressing our anger. You're seeing more statements now because no one has anywhere to go right now, so we can't run from this problem. We can't move on from this problem that we've had. And I. You know when I was thinking about this and I was thinking about Minnesota and I was thinking about New York and I expressed that to the coaches new. York was most disturbing out of everything I've seen. Because we can go as far back and see you know police brutality, police, targeting police murder of black men. To See weaponize right in front of our eyes on camera, like lady did in New York, and how ultimately gets to police brutality. What scared me? So this week was about that. And then Minnesota thing was for everyone. And then, it's just an awareness that it's going to happen to our city so now it is in Atlanta. All of a sudden they are a rioting and protesting in Atlanta and we're having to deal with it in Quin. You're having to deal with it in Salt Lake City. So even if we weren't prepared for it, even if we didn't get to this meeting, we were going to be forced to get to this meeting. Somehow some way because it wasn't going, it wasn't. We weren't going to be able to hide from. In any shape, form or fashion, the entire world is having to deal with right now, and I'm just glad that we're able to to recognize it a little bit stronger. I hate that. We have to recognize it under these conditions. I'll be more encouraged by what we're able to do. As a result of it of these meetings in these conversations. Along those lines. Lloyd Quinn to turn this into action to turn this into. An impact beyond statements. In your cities, your communities in this country. What does that look like to you? For the Coaches Association how how you started to map out? Yeah, I think it's and we've all listen to killer. Mike speak the other day. Plan strategize. Some of the key terms he us. We'll have our third meeting tomorrow as committee. Everyone's got a lot ideas, and that's you know that's that's where at least planning and were there the word we've used consistently sustainable. Whatever we do, it has to be sustainable we. We've just got off the phone with see this morning. Cripple and you know he's headed a players association. We need allies. We have a platform. We need to use platform. But it has to be sustainable. What we've talked about as we've seen the I can't breathe t shirts, and we've seen the patches and the buttons, and and we would love to do that. We would love to do any and everything that we can, but what we really need a systemic change and we need to get with law enforcement officials. We need to talk about those things and we've thrown out every idea every possible option of of what. What is true change impactful change that we can create that we can keep sustain. Every NBA city can can. can be a part of it. and it's really it's really that simple how we go about doing it. We understand this isn't going to happen next week. This is going to take some time. We're going to have to hire some outside counsel. We're going to have to bring in people that experts in this. Phil but. But sustainability is what's most important, not just doing it because we're emotional, not just doing it because we're seeing it on TV this week, but something that the NBA because of our platform because of our access we can create, we can get behind. weakened, encourage, and and we can sustain it. It doesn't matter if a head coach next year this thing will continue to go on and that everyone should have that mentality and everyone has shared. Shared and that's why we had to be unified coaches because it isn't you know, do what you normally do in your local city, we all do something we all are out communities, but as as removal and and others move on is still continuing to progress for the for the good of our players African American players in our league for the good of our coaches for us that have been silent to law, and to not be silent anymore. To note that this is a mandated thing. The head coach the leader of an NBA team in an MBA city. You're mandated. To help be a part of this change. You know Lloyd just to one of the things for me has been in. Again this morning is just trying to listen because. You know part of the sustainability and the partnerships Lloyd's referring to the. White people. You know this is not just a black problem. That's one of the things I continue to hear and understand that. This is in some ways. This is a white problem. And that's sustainability those partnerships. It's necessary for white people. To listen and. To be willing to take action, and not just you know to have a voice and. One of the things that has been impactful to me and. You know again just having an opportunity to have to see the. Other people, sharing colleagues of mine in Monty Williams penned a letter the other day yesterday. In one of the things that he talked about was his children Alvin. Gentry mentioned the same thing. And you know we're all at home. You know were the TV's on. were seeing. You know what's happening in our country. And my kids are there you know and I've got a couple of too young. Really to understand, but sometimes kids understand more than you think. and. I've got a couple of others that are Asti. They're they're trying to process what's going on? And what we tell. Our, children What we tell the people that were close to. Our ability to have I. Mean even with your kids. You know I. It's hard to. To explain you know on a certain level, the magnitude of what they're watching and knowing that they're going to be to Lloyd's point, this is not. A short term thing this is enduring in part of having lasting changes. Is, our families and It hit hits home on that level as well and just to reemphasize reiterate. I I think that's part of the coaches in the room, felt the white coaches. You know that hey, we need to. We need to mobilise along with our colleagues, and this has to become as important and we have to be as committed. As the African American coaches. In that room, yeah I want to. Ask You about that Quinn, I, I. Know You Pride Yourself on the relationships that you build with your players in how? Your ability to connect and an empathize and understand your guys to be able to coach him same with Lloyd that's. You've got to be able to do that the coach at any level, but certainly your level. And even doing that and you. You mentioned even with your coaching staff with black coaches on your staff Quinn. Do you find yourself going for his? As, much of a connection and the relationships I have. Do, you find yourself asking yourself now or in this recent window. Am I understanding these issues enough with them how they impact? MIGHT PLAYERS DO I? Ask, the question is do I. Don't talk that issue enough. His APP been part of your. Thought Process here lately. Yeah in in it's kind of what I try to articulate a little bit earlier you can be close with somebody, but you can also be close and have blind spots in your relationship and. Say. This has been a blind spot for me. but It's not always comfortable in there. You know there's always things no matter how close you are to people. There's places the conversation. doesn't always go in as much depth. And you know we. We met with our team. As much as anything I just wanted to I wanted to feel like I i. just wanted to acknowledge what was going on but really that I needed to have my awareness race frankly. And You know again. Being willing to be uncomfortable and then listen you know. I can't understand on a certain level. Just experience shortly. What Lloyd has been through what Phys? It's been through and some of the experiences that they've had there just hasn't happened to me. but that doesn't mean. that. They're not real to me. And my path is different, and there's nothing wrong with that I think to understand that to accept that that doesn't mean you can't help impact change. Doesn't mean and be committed in listening to our players like that. That helped me as well. I've had to have conversations with to a my white assistance. That has been different. It could easily be what was me about me. I'm the victim. Black men are being murdered. And they heard my fear in my passion and my rage in my anger everything. Mike My coaching staff heard that The things that really moved me was Christian. I talked to Christiane. One of my assistant coaches. He's got a teenage old daughter. He said for the first time I. He was embarrassed. He was discussed it in his role in what he feels an just not doing enough for saying enough. He, said he he had the first conversation. He's ever had with his teenage daughter about potentially what her role could be. and. You know the incident in New York with the white woman, pulling her phone out and weaponising or attempting to weaponize police. You, know! How to keep her his daughter from becoming that woman and taking advantage of her privilege. If she felt she needed to. We all have to be. We all have to be vocal. Not just quin reaching out to Johnny Bryan in in some of the black assistance. In order for us to get true change, and as Quinn said, it is an issue with with with with the it's a white people issue as well being able to address this comfortably. But it works both ways I had to address this. Christian heads were at spoke with Matt. Hill when my other since last night. He was emotional, speaking to our guys in our meeting yesterday for the first time, and he said I have no idea where it came from. Is Finally, finally, actually communicating, what's been in his heart? He just didn't know how to say it. A win the state or even to say to and so. 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If you're not satisfied, you get your money back. This is Scott Yard. Last few days, and thinking about getting on with you, guys and talking I've thought about some of the conversations I've had on this podcast. Through the years with Dwayne Casey talking about growing up. In, the south, being seven or eight years old, and seeing the Klan marched through Rural Kentucky as a young man. And how that impacted him? Talking to David, phys, Dale about being a young man in south central La during the Rodney King. Unrest and the impact that had on him and Lloyd I wonder being the leader of the Atlanta Hawks. In that city. With the civil rights history. Of that region. Does it. Does it for you. Take on or feel like a greater burden, a responsibility than you might feel somewhere else that leadership in that. Part corner of this country. Maybe maybe even carries more gravity to. Without a doubt. I would feel like a coward. Being here in this city, and not trying to play a part with the community. And I knew that I knew that when I took the job I knew I was going into a city that was unique to all other cities in our country has an African American man and with the history of African American men in their leadership for others You know my first two months here living in Atlanta. A meeting John Lewis Congressman John Lewis with our staff and meeting ambassador young he comes and speaks to our team and I'm going over to the House of of Reverend Joseph Lowery. Speaking him. Just those three conversations alone you come out of it. He said this place is different the display this city is different a at Reverend Lowery's party this year in sitting next to Dr Martin, Luther King's only living sibling at the dinner. So You have to be voice. In this city and what I've learned is because of that responsibility. You feel every single burden Quinn I. Know You do as well. If a player comes to you and tells you know has cancer. You can't stop thinking about it. You can't stop thinking about what your players going through every practice every game, so multiply that by your players or coaches. Your staff in here in the city of Atlanta you know it is the African American issues that that problem hasn't. This problem is is very real. You know in the in the racist side I think Dwayne Casey spoken about any talked about it. You know growing up in the south and growing up in the civil rights era, but that's not the only form of racism that we're seeing in dealing with just in the pandemic, you know lower income areas African American communities are being affected and being hit by this because they don't have access to healthcare, and so, what are they doing? They're out now. These are probably the people that are Outta riding. They're homeless. They're out of work. They don't have access to healthcare. They seeing black men murder. They're angry. They're frustrated. They're pent up and so. Because no one cares. And no one cares about African American men that are being killed, and you just put it all into the same bubble. The same category in someone needs to hear us when we're frustrated. And when we say, we're living in fear when we say that we're hurting right now. Someone needs to hear us because it isn't just black and white and race, it's economic and socioeconomic. Socioeconomic it's it's the area in which we live in. You feel all at Atlanta Atlanta's predominantly black is a lot of black owned businesses that are here, but that doesn't mean there aren't lower income areas, and that doesn't mean there's a lot of the community here in a city that are forgotten about, and being stepped over I couldn't agree more about the socioeconomic component. That that fuels a lot of things in. Our city here in Salt Lake is is is a contrast to Atlanta's stark one. You know we don't have a large African. American population. You know it's it's small. but we have players. We have African American players on I think. Some of us. Lloyd mentioned in earlier, there was protests. significant protests, not maybe as much a numbers, but impassioned in Salt Lake the other day and I think I. Don't think people were surprised. It was no worthy you know I. Don't know that that's. that's you wouldn't expect that in just because there's. Protests across the country. It just shows how pervasive. And how intense and emotional this? This issue is and you know our Lord and I talked about this. A little bit over the last couple of days. You know our. Our owner Gail Miller in her family. Owned, the jazz in have for decades, you know. She had some comments to our fans last year in Arina and They were poignant in I. Think Colorful to a lot of people and. It was raising awareness and. More than that you know it was. It was a statement. You know about how people need to treat each other and the fact that they need to confront these things, and she issued another statement yesterday that which. I was pleased to hear I think our players appreciated statements don't solve problems own, but they certainly can provide. Some direction and I think that in our community you know seeing what's going on around the country and understanding that you're not removed from it. You're not immune to it. Just because you. See you know a black person in your neighborhood. You know just because it isn't touching you the same way. You may need to raise your awareness more. You made need to. You know. Be uncomfortable to accept These things are going on and. It's no. There's an urgency to this in my mind, then everyone's obviously that that's been cleared, but The the overlay of of the economic component. To me as also. Something in. We haven't talked about that. That's a secondary thing. but there's the fuel some of the stuff and it makes it even more challenging. I wonder if either of you have given. Much thought to the idea of why. Do you think that NBA coaches. More than any other professional sport. have. Whether it's shown a willingness or ability. Or an environment that allows for. Leadership. On issues of race in sports or race in America. Is there something unique to the NBA or those? Who Coach in the NBA or are there restrictions or cats acquaintances at my hangover, others and other sports. That might be different than the environment. You. Will you both working? You, know I I can't speak on the other coaches association, or if there are associations for the other sports. One of the things since I've been in the NBA is is is i. had relied on our Association for a number of issues with regards to our 401k plans the previous pension plans healthcare newest these ways of growing the game ways of of growing my brand as an assistant coach to a head coach We've been unified for longtime in having meetings as an association whether it's during Summer League, on the road when you know when you get to New York and you're playing in new. York David Fogo and Karen they. They come to the to the hotel and meet with the entire staff to update us. And so you know I I think we've we've had a common connection as an association for a long time And so I think this is the challenge that we're all facing. You know when something like that. That's real like this. That comes up. That's real. You know how unified, are we? That was the question. How Unified Arbu we like to come together to to speak about our money and speak about everything. We're doing as well for us, you know are. Are we going to come together on this issue? So I think our starting point has been tremendous, and and I'm encouraged in less than twenty four hours. We were able to get the entire head coaches together to to speak on something that's real, and and since then it's it's been consistent, and you know I've continued to receive Quinoa and hope you have as well, but I've continued to speak to. The coaches are not in the committee about how can help and what they can do. You know what what's? What's the updated? Can I send you stuff so you know I I. Applaud Our Association, but I won't. I won't you know? Start Sharing I? Think we'll what we'll do is. We'll apply in and say okay. Let's get back to work in. You know when we cheer is when we see change and we difference. Yet. It's definitely there's a collective unification with all the coaches you know. In, the committee is set up. As an organizational. On tool to to. Know to to plan into to focus with the. Unification with everybody and how they feel and. I I think to your question. I think there's. What the right word is! An intimacy or Probably not best description, but. There's not. We don't have thirty players. We don't have forty. There's there's less players on an NBA team in it forces you. I think to have those interactions you know. There's times where it feels personal and as a coach. Being willing to say things. That may not be received initially in. May Be. In. That you willing to say those things you know. Are you willing to talk about these things and? I I think I'd like to think that. You know I think all the strive to. Earn our players trust Into have no for us to trust them. You know it goes both ways and. So in some respects that that foundation hopefully can be one that. That can allow us to continue to have dialoguing facilitate some some sort of change. What was your? Thank the other thing the other component we all sit back when we all seen Steve in pop. Speak on this doc. You know. confidently comfortably. You know and as an assistant for years I've studied them and you know it's. It's great man. Those guys with that security that job security in that comfort you know. It's great that they're doing this for us. Is How I've interpreted. alike Quinn said it isn't. We're GONNA go as far as the most uncomfortable guy head coach in our league. You know we're going to go as league and promoting in pushing this. Whoever is at the bottom of that? In terms of comfort, we know where pop is. He's at the top of his comfort is. That's where he is, but whoever that the bottom whatever elevations we can have, and promoting him to speak on this in his local community to be a part of our association is our groped in. You know for me I'm going to say I am at the bottom. You know I'm a second year coach that I'm walking into this situation and I'm tackling trying to tackle a ton of things you. You know grow a team trying to do it in a tough city in terms of the history of of African American in this issue, and then I'm I'm approaching a lot of veteran and season coaches in calling us all out to do more, and so I'm not personally job. Security is not an issue of my I'm not worried about the consequences I'm worried about the lack of speaking up. Lloyd Pearson Quin Snyder both. Members of the NBC Committee on Racial Injustice and reform guys thrilled. With what you're doing, appreciate you taking time to share. Some thoughts and the plans here and and certainly anything we can do to be helpful. We certainly wanted to, but but guys. Thanks for what you're doing and thanks for jumping into that. Thanks thanks. Thanks well. Region. 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Hour 1: Mason's Apology

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Hour 1: Mason's Apology

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If you're listening to the show last week we had a great deal of fun at all the hyperventilation surrounding myles Garrett and then the noise came came down and everyone relax a little bit and the news stream arrived with news stories and yesterday myles Garrett calmly going into a plead. His case in saying look precedent is not what you guys have done to me here. precedent on this kind of crime usually gets three games. But and if you've watch the steelers play this year you know what I'm about to say is true Mason. Rudolph is a little slow so it took him six damn days to prepare air this meandering statement of falling on the cross like just he was also bashed in the head with a helmet so yes any also at attorneys seeking a lawsuit suit once they told them there was no possible angle here then he came up with whatever he came up with and lastly he didn't come up with this. Okay yes but let's before we go down this path. Okay because we're always laughing at the hypersensitive around here we're always laughing at overreactions mason. Rudolph is in a job Bob. He does not belong in okay. He's in over his head. He is the face of a team because rothlisberger bloated faces out and he's not very good. Whatever the steelers will do this year will be done in spite of him and so he gets into the fight and then after the game? You don't want to wait and see a little bit you you gotta wait it out. You think he's going to be great. Is that moments. I mean entering that Thursday night game people were talking about how he was actually playing. Well look at that touchdown interception ratio now granted. I watch Mason Rudolph. I was never impressed but the numbers were there and they were a winning team entering Thursday night football. They're winning team because Minka Fitzpatrick has won them. A couple of games is with turnovers that he's taken for touchdowns but regardless. Okay maybe you like Mason Rudolph more than I like Mason. Rudolph Prospects Dan. He has twelve touchdowns thousand eight interceptions four of which came in that Thursday night. And he's in the top thirty two and QBR. That's every damned guy in the league. Top thirty two though every damn guy in the league that starts quarterback guys you guys Rand Cam Newton out of the League for Kyle and then last Sunday like oops never never mind sorry about out for the year. Yeah Angie do Prior to the last game it's been fine so regardless of what you think of. Mason Rudolph prospects. He is learning to put on this whole face of a franchise thing but the time he he gave you honesty. And you rarely get it from the quarterbacks because they're concealed and they don't show you their emotion in the press conferences. He gave you honesty after to that game when he was calling myles Garrett a coward and calling him Bush League and giving you the hissing sound because of how frustrated he was terrible at the end of that game was third and twenty nine he was getting hit again and he was just frustrated by everything that happened in that game. And he did some of the stuff that that created myles Garrett behaving like a buffoon but here is Mason Rudolph and explain this to me six damn danger later he decides okay. I'm going to do the prepared statement. Type hypothetic Thursday night to say the least. It was an unfortunate situation for everyone involved. I consider it a privilege on a right to be part of the NFL. To be part of a first class organization representing the Rooney Family Pittsburgh steelers and and I felt sure that expectation last Thursday night on the final play the game with the game in hand. The way it was that had been we already lost two of our players tarring penalties as I released the ball I I took a shot did not agree with the way then took me to the ground and my natural reaction was just is to get him off from on top of me and again I should have done a better job handling that situation towards myles Garrett great respect for his abilities a player and I know this you know of miles to go back you would handle the situation differently. US for my involvement last week there is no acceptable. Excuse the bottom line is better job keeping my composure. In that situation and fall short of what I believe it means to be a Pittsburgh steeler a member of the NFL definitely didn't say anything. That's like I said I I gotTa do better job and keep my composure in those. Oh situations and unfortunate situation for both teams so it's official. All the fun has been taken out of that story. Great Acoustics Fantastic tastic. You can hear the paper blowing a see that he was reading from. I'm not sure it was in that clip. But he also mentioned when he was speaking to the media that it was a game in which they were too late hits and then he was pressed on that wait. Are you trying to explain your actions by saying it had something to do with the hits had no. This was an isolated incident and had nothing to do at that prepared statement. Made sure to mention. Hey there was a dude bleeding from the ear. He went into straight janitorial boring quarterback mode. He he invoked invoke the name of the. Rooney's he he invoked one of the greatest cards that you have to pull one in the middle of NFL crisis. It is a privilege to play in this sling. It is an honor and a privilege to get my head concussed by a rage filled. Man's helmet because I get to play in this league for the mighty Pittsburgh Football steeler if if anyone knows privilege attempted that's not what it means to be. A Pittsburgh steeler really. Are you not familiar with this brand of football the team of James Harrison. This is not what it means to be a Pittsburgh steeler it's kind of weird though listening to espn daily and they did a whole episode all Myles Garrett the timing on that worked out pretty well for Myles Garrett because I in imports it seems like as always exonerating myles Garrett and saying yeah I know he's sorry and he's really not pouring gasoline on what could be what Myles Garrett is ultimately already did that back when he was being honest before the football. Rooney's got a hold of him and scrubbed him down and told him get back out there and we'll get some other clown to play cornerback floors and go five and five. He only gave you the honesty and then they beat it out of him. The moment Bush League and everything else and now six days later with six days to think about I should do better. You're so right about the privilege part of it that is it's second ace. It's the go-to that's the Rudy. 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Quin Snyder had to go back to coaching so he did it very quickly. Weekly how would you describe what he did. And why are you so obsessed with it. I just can't stop watching it. It's been on a loop it's very aggressive. It's very efficient. A kind of does a lipstick thing at the end where he like. Yeah make sure he gets it all around. It's basically just one swoop circle motion with the finger onto the lips. It's very aggressive. Though I get what you're saying the first segment. I'm not prepared to go down that path but get where you got that from. He eats it he does. It looks especially crazy because his forehead super shiny any has to just two bangs out. Ed are coming down the center of his forehead to make it look especially American psycho. So quin Snyder has only one end in his first name. The only thing that billy has said to me this morning is that the assists of the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks is Don Nelson and the son of Don Nelson and that he spells his name. Don with two ends. That is the only bit of information that producer extraordinaire. Billy Billy. Gill has given me today. I also told you you may want to put that in safety deposit box not GonNa need that today but one day you might safe-deposit bar so What what what is otter that Quin Snyder? Put It on the poll. That quin Snyder spells his name with one end or the Don Nelson took that and and spells his done with two. Well it's Donnie Nelson. I mean well. This is what billy told me. Billy is telling me that. He Spells IT D. O. N. N. not You know and I know it's Danica. Yeah I E it's Donnie Nelson but is given birth name Don Two N.'s. Charles Nelson born September tenth nineteen sixty two in Iowa. City Iowa is an American basketball executive. It was. You don't need all that information to dawn. They got Luca. Luca somebody to be excited about you have not seen a young player player. This young be doing the things that he's he's doing yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday. First of all they beat Golden State won forty two to ninety four. That thing fell apart fast for golden state. That's how golden the state used to be people and he went in twenty six minutes to God's thirty five ten and eleven fastest triple double ever as he's twenty years old now he's played professionally since he was thirteen. So he's really a veteran but is an MBA rookie. Twenty years old Dan. This guy is so exciting to watch. I think over the last ten games. He's averaging a thirty point triple double and it's the first time in a long time where I've gone out of my way to watch a player play in regular season basketball games. Forgive me I misspoke This was the fastest triple double with a thirty spot in it. Not just a triple double. But the fact that he's scored thirty five five. Ten and eleven in twenty-six all he needs is a better number and he's going to be the biggest star in the sport. You can't be seventy seven. He needs something different but it on the poll whole game. Oh can you be the biggest star in the NBA. If your numbers seventy seven and this box scores Crazy I'm not looking at Lucas box. where I'm looking at? WHO started for Golden in St Paul K Bouwman Burks G. Robinson W Cauley Stein I think one of them's Willie splash brothers? As bad as they got quick next year. You gotTA figure they're going to be good quick to with all those guys coming back from injury and what would appear to be the top pick in the NBA. Hey draft to the mavs have the worst city uniforms. Oh Dude it's so bad. It looks like the titles from the fresh exactly is like fresh prince graffiti and I think I read that the reason they did that is because the Dallas art scene is really underrated like is that that's like shining example of like this is what people are sleeping on. The warriors are worse than the next nets godforsaken look at it. They just lost one forty two to ninety four. It's not just that they're losing. It's the way they're losing. Everyone is caving their head in. Ah I WANNA ask you guys from among the Quin Snyder. Looks like game that we play which would be the number one seed from among and these. Okay Quin Snyder. Looks like the evil real estate developer trying to tear down a children's community center in a movie from Nineteen Ninety four when Snyder looks like tax evasion insider looks like he came straight from his other job. Quin Snyder looks like both the guy selling the white powdery very substance and the guy buying the white. Powdery Substance Quin. Snyder looks like a civil war. General who is photographed with a pair of leather gloves folded over his cross legged. Ah Quin Snyder. Looks like the protagonist of Scifi film about a mad scientist who thinks he's creating a new life form to help advance the human race only to later to realize horrible things happen when you attempt to play God or Quin Snyder. Looks like your neighbor. whose work life balances so shot that he hastily mows the Alon each week in a three piece suit and waves to you living the dream Mark as he heads into his garage that one? That's the one that's the best one for make AAC. Quin Snyder. Looks like he had everything. Under control to Jen's ago you also look like he accidentally killed one of the partners partner at his law firm by accident by partying too hard and refusing to admit that he's actually dead so he just props up his body weights his arm. And the looks. Like we'RE GONNA burn. A prescription is required online physician consultation and only available if the physician determined prescriptions appropriate. See website for full details and safety information. One of the scariest things that can happen to a guy is that first morning morning you wake up you look in the mirror and you start to realize you're going thin up. 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He knows rose how to do disneyworld. But Billy who does not have a child thinks that Roy is doing disneyworld all wrong. Oh I'm taking clearer to Disneyworld for the first time ever I'm very excited about it. And it was clear apparently because he picked up her Minnie. Mouse doll we left the house today. is well apparently I know how to do too. So billy huge rookie. Make sure to put them in the carvers. Yes yes billing billy. Well here's the thing. Roy is way behind on this trip to Disney world. Ooh Way behind on this trip to Disney World Stu gods you like Disney also. Yeah you know how this is done Royce taking off tomorrow not to put his business out there and he will be headed out to Disneyworld tomorrow Saturday and Sunday I believe. Now here's the thing he's he's got zero. Think twice before giving us the thing get Outta here just because we were born five minutes away away from good boards. I mean might as well just sit there until the music dome in an hour when you get to update us on the mass singer. We have delayed penalties. Feel feel like the opposing team was in control possession on the puck asked to give them the penalty. Yes clear it so you think you should go back back to the microphone and finishes point. He's going to say here's the thing ten more time without telling you what the thing is. What this whole Disney thing was about? I kind of know where he was going. Here's the the thing. Any of his fast passes yet. This is something you can do thirty days in advance. It's a little less for employees. You can set this thing up. Roy's missed out on all the good fast S.. Passes I all you got a available now as Dumbo. I mean not that you don't want to go on double doubles the longer you wait the less that's available to you. Do these things things like three weeks at. You really do right they give me a buffet one week night through off you read that they're gonna well. Maybe it's just the APP because how old is Leir player. Now he's turned into next week. Thursday thanksgiving the perfect age is a is that the right age. What is the perfect age? I was just GONNA ask. What is the perfect age because you she's not GonNa remember any of this but this is not what this is four? Okay E. take him for the pictures for the memories so you so they know when they get older that you love them all right you show them pictures this is you with Mickey all you gotTa do proves it proves that I loved you a long time ago as opposed to now when you're just a source of Roy you gotta go to a character breakfast. I'm telling you with a bad way to do it. The Best I recommend the May miss may one and I'll figure it out then character breakfast. They looked like Mickey Mouse. They really grabbed all the Maple Syrup and also the breakfast pizza. Oh I wasn't aware of breakfast pizza honestly honestly. I went to a character with vacant by the Bacon Cheese. It's fantastic. Ah You never know. Every kid is different. What the right age is because I thought two or three he was the right age? I took my kids up there and do that character breakfast and to the park they were scared of the characters terrified. That's why we're at about. I waited about. That's why you do you get that picture of her looking all doorbell crying. It's perfect and telling you. And what would the way my kid did it. She loves them from afar. She was just looking around just they look there's goofy there's and they come over to the table terrified. Also Roy at Cape May at the Disney Beach Club resort goofy a fan of the show. I got a note from him. I put it on the poll Chris while Billy is out here at Lebatardshow. The two year old at the character breakfast at Disney. Happy or Org terrify figured it out because kids are so used to seeing the cartoons mickey mouse as like some seven foot tall creature. That's correct ars right. I think adults would be scared of that Mouse Disney character that made you cry parents related. I actually have vivid memories of the first Disney character. That made me cry. It was Gideon From Pinocchio. Do it and I was twenty seven. Yeah Uh what are we gonNA do about Billy's inefficiencies. I don't we do you guys think I was too hard on him too hard on trigger. You're there in Jeddah he does ramble but he was sitting. Sweet spot there. Yeah sometimes we get such great payoff. It has its rewards now. It's not like the most efficient thing I understand understand but you gotta let them fail at least a couple of times before you give them the hook. Let's his enthusiasm match with Roy's indifference. It's a great. It's a great combination. I could do without indifference. So that is so you guys are saying that Roy's greatest issue here is that he hasn't done any of the appropriate planning so he's going to end up and a lot of lines with a two year old. which sounds like a real nightmare just doesn't seem to be game planning to go to Disney? You got a game plan. I feel like Roy doesn't even know what park is going to. First I yet. I'm in the first couple of times I went. I hired a guy who took me around and got me on all the rides very very quickly. That'd be nice was I mean. He knew every place to go when to go where to go out to get to it. Everything and I never waited online Disney inferno. Yes Roy. What Park Are you going to i? I broke my point here. Magic Kingdom Blah. All right. He's got a plan that's good I knew Do you realize how obnoxious that sounds. When you say it's got yeah are you don't realize how noxious it sounds? I do realize it and I said it anyway. Yeah so you got a guy who helped you around disneyworld world. It's a regular thing. I'm telling you it wasn't that expensive. And he was very very helpful and then he gives you a map a roadmap afterwards a you never have. It's not early great business plan. That's not a right. It's not it's regular regular spend a whole lot of. I don't want to know you guys. Daniela that VIP life to write right. Yeah I do I. Just don't throw it in everybody's face I. It was a great investment because he gave me the roadmap and then every time I went back I knew exactly what to do at the Hiram Roma get so I mean not a great business plan but I took advantage of it. Well your concept of things. Inexpensive is completely different from me and I don't have the disposable income to be hiring Disney photo but you can plan and get fast passes beforehand. So you're going you're leaving now. You're leaving this weekend. I am leaving after the show and so you have nothing nothing in the way of prep beyond. I'm going to the magic kingdom. Your your plan is to get to the castle and then and then wing it from their plans to show up as usual so roy you gotTa have more enthusiasm about this or are you going to skip at any point. You GotTa skip at some point in Disney. You can't skipping. Skip like you know like when you do you have to do. Can you give me right when you walk just so I'm majors you so happy together as a family. It's on my face right now on. I'm completely enthused at the fact. Don't go into all areas. Nothing better than just strolling down main street that first time getting in their Roy so clean. It's so clean. I don't understand understand how they keep that place that cleans probably gonna well actually mutant cats his. Oh yeah you haven't heard about this. Oh you've never seen outside of Mickey Mouse. You've never seen any sort of rodent right you know. Why mutant cats when all the people leave the park? That's when they unleash. The mutant cats. It is absolutely right. They have a special breed of serial killing cat. That goes out there and make sure your park experience. Experience is wrote in free outside. Of course Mickey. WHO's the king an after hours after hours? They unleashed a bunch of cats. Two hundred cats the exact exact two hundred cats and they just let them run all over all over the park on a killing spree so somebody has to get up early in the morning at Disney and just sort of pick pick up a bunch of dead rats Google Disney cats. That's stretching for some ads. Let's advance auto part when the sun goes down your headlights. Illuminate the path in front of you. You know you need to get the fast passes before you go Roy. Have you gotten a fast passes yet. No I haven't talked rookie. I'll be back soon. Don't worry nuts seven-minute major you left. 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Wherever wherever you enjoy your podcast Ben? Simmons hit his first three pointer last night. Congratulations to him. Duncan Robinson had how many of them I eight eight nine in total nine eight in the first half in the first half the NCAA is making James. Weisman agreed to pay back back. Eleven thousand five hundred dollars to charity to play again. And you've heard me say before since everyone's argument on why athletes shouldn't be paid aid is Education is valuable and education is valuable. You've heard me say before that. They should pay the coaches in education. I think think wiseman should give some of his classes to charity. Give some of his classes to Disenfranchised or impoverished through pay them back in eleven two hundred eleven thousand five hundred dollars in classes. Now that's not the way that works. They want the cash for like half a class. I what I don't know what I don't know what the schooling at Memphis ends up costing. I just I love what Penny Hardaway is doing in Memphis where he is He he cares about the city. He cares about the program. He's in sports. Is there someone from that region more famous Mr Moore doored then Penny Hardaway in sports and so he goes back. He doesn't need that job he goes back. He doesn't have the training for for that job. Right he didn't people are laughing at the idea of Dion Sanders being. FSU coach but Penny Hardaway. Didn't really Penny Hardaway isn't going to do what Tim Duncan is doing and just sit on a bench there and pay his dues. As an assistant coach though superstars rarely able rarely willing to do that. Although somehow that fits with Tim Duncan's personality that he's the one who's willing to do that. Patrick Ewing was willing to do a Penny Hardaway hartaway just cut. The line goes straight to the front and a lot of guys WanNa play for him but I think one of the funny things about that is. I'm not sure how many of them actually remember Penny Hardaway's career like Penny Hardaway's got a name and Memphis but I don't think any of those young kids actually remember what Penny Hardaway was play. I've heard him talk about this players that he recruits only know him as a guy with a signature shoe. They know penny from the pennies shoe. They don't know him as the ballet they are. They even know the commercial for this year yet. The commercials way older than these kids. They know the shoe but they don't know that there was a little penny any. They don't know that they've found the history afterwards. And it's pretty Rad that Memphis. They wear pennies. May they wear a signature shoe line. He makes beaucoup dollars just based off of the shoe that they constantly release. I just love that. You've got a guy here who doesn't have much use for the system overseeing a program that doesn't have much use for the system and has never had much use for for the system. I mean college is what he is today at least in part because of what he did at Memphis he refined all those shamateurism tricks he did. He did poorly He did poorly. Ask you mass where Marcus Camby ended up in all sorts of trouble at UMASS. Ooh and then he did it more well at Memphis and then he perfected it upon arriving at Kentucky the idea of of sort of climbing poles. And we don't really care about education and one in done. I actually have to correct you. He didn't accomplish anything at those schools because he had vacate eight everything that's true so they forfeited the the final four. Actually never happened was magical you had never heard of Umass as it relates to college basketball and then this this guy shows up at all of a sudden they have Camby and their final four. I'm old enough to remember their final four and I haven't heard from UMASS minutemen. That's right it has it has been a minute right. They didn't exactly parlay that into greater success. But at least in part because those victories never happened. Remember the vacating. Vacating of victories has to be one of the dumbest. All thirty eight victories from two thousand seventeen thousand eight in Memphis never happened failure if you look at his resume terrible I was. I was really hoping that they would push the gas With lawyers and injunctions and everything else and dare the NCAA to actually have to do something there with its mall caught a mall cop status where they they are the overseers but they're overseeing and they're making rulings and they're only rulings that count if people abide by them but Dan like the head coach before he was a head coach. I understand he pays it this kid money. That's I mean I know you have to have the illusion of amateurism but come on. That's why he that's the way just said okay. Forget it firm. I wish he'd giving them more money.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 241  QFTA

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 241 QFTA

"Yes yes welcome in to another edition of the Tim mckernan show on the inside S._E._O.. PODCAST network from the home loan expert Dot Com studios once again the studios are in my basement as it allows me time to completely -pletely detach an answer your questions I love having gangster Pete in the studios <hes> but the studios are filled up and for timing purposes. I wanted to make sure I get the questions from the audience on the proper schedule and so were doing it from the basement. It really doesn't change anything unless it does sound a little different. I wanted to explain it to you. Ryan Kelly the home loan expert dot Com studios sponsor along with Marquette of Evergreen Wealth Strategies James Carlton Carlton Carlton State Farm Insurance Agency and designer heating and cooling online at designer service DOT com the number one train Mueller in the Midwest. It's hard to stop train South Gold Camp and his family and then Johnny llandough Chevrolet Highway two seventy and the Washington Elizabeth exit. You enjoy the podcast support the sponsors that's the game and this week our guest is bobby plager- presented by Mark Hanna Evergreen Wealth Strategies Craig Bouroubi last week. We have young page views in Cam. Janssen comes in for for part of that as well <hes> we got all kinds of stuff questions from the audience is every Wednesday guests are every Monday and one of the questions I see on the team. A Fan page is whether or not we're going to be doing pick six. You better believe it. I'm essentially the weather man's message wjr boy but nobody really cares where it's coming from the picks win so when the football season starts up in a couple of months less than that I suppose <hes> we will be back to pick six and the weather man's absurd run in two thousand eighteen nineteen canny carry it over to twenty one thousand nine hundred twenty twenty mathematically one would tell you that's highly unlikely but who knows it's not like this guy was just firing darts. He has his reasons plenty of those games were random and so he digs in and I'm anxious to see if he can continue that run here for Twenty nineteen and twenty twenty when we start that up in about seven weeks I would imagine questions from the audience is the podcast in which is essentially to sit and babble candidly as always. I'm shocked that people listen to it but I'm flattered that people do. I'm thrilled when I see emails pop up and they're titled Q. F._T._A.. Because that means people are listening and people have questions and we just kind of wandered together. I don't know if I've ever even received hate eight million questions from the audience which is kind of surprising for me. It's not necessarily that I'm asking for it. Just seems like we can get into some things that would lead to hate mail but I suppose if you're seeking it out you know what to get at at the same time. I don't even really know what the Hell I am so in two thousand nineteen where somebody's like oh well he's a liberal or she's a liberal. He's a conservative. She's a conservative. I don't really know what what I am so it's just kind of Yasser question and if it does fall under the umbrella of politics and not really politics so much as it often times seems to be more media-related or ethics related it'd or specific candidate related <hes> I guess it's tough to to gauge where the answer will fall on that left or right spectrum in other words. Sometimes I guess I'm on the Left. Sometimes I guess I'm on the right but I'm not forming my opinion based on whether or not it follows the left's agenda or the rights agenda. It's just what I happen to think so. Maybe that's why people are listening to it. I really you don't know I'm glad you are so anytime. You have a question and his I always say that it can be as as random as grotesque is vile as whatever you want it to be you can email it to me at t mckernan inside US yell that common. We have our weekly threat on the T._M._a.. Fan Page where you can ask your questions as well <hes> and and as I was making reference to one of the questions is whether or not there would be a pick six podcast this year and the answer is absolutely so I know I have a bunch in the email summer from a little while back like this one. I guess I didn't get to it. I don't have gangster Pete. Here is my net but I remember reading it but I don't think I did it on the air because we wound up going long on a couple of other ones but <hes> I like the question and <hes> I wanted to make sure I read it. It was sent to me way back on June fifteenth. I have never called in or emailed your show but I'm a longtime fan. What you have built is truly amazing? I have a friend in Hawaii who listens to you guys. Your coverage of the blues interviews has been great a and Plow Z.. Were there for you. That's the true definition of ride or die as much shit as anyone gives them. We all do truly love them. I do have a few questions if you don't mind answering them for a Q. F._T._a.. If you have time if you had a chance and could call any sports historical moment on radio or T._V.. What would it be? Wow now I remember why set this one aside God. I don't know to me nationally impactful. I feel like it's it's nine thousand nine hundred eighty U._S.. Soviet Union and I don't remember for that I mean I guess I was three when that happened. In Al Michaels call is is famous. You can't like pass it kind of going. Maybe outside the box on it. If I'm not mistaken the One thousand nine hundred seventy two Olympics and I realize what the nineteen seventy two Olympics became known for was the tragedy in Munich Nick. I'm not looking to replace Jim McKay but from a sports perspective what transpired in the nineteen seventy two Olympic gold medal basketball game a to be able to call attention to that in the moment <hes> stands out to me the two and I'm sure some of your like what the hell are you talking about. I have no idea <hes> the U._S.. Team in a really just still really know what happened on it but the the U._S. team <hes> beat the Soviet or excuse me was one its first eight games and then lost to the Soviet Union. <hes> this of course is in the midst of the Cold War and <hes>. I'm going straight WIKIPEDIA here so everybody knows <hes> but it wound up having a controversial ending <hes> with the U._S.. Leading being the Soviet Union got multiple chances to like when I say multiple I literally mean three chances to run a same play because the first two were called back I it a buzzer beater and then on the third third one they did score and they won the gold medal. I'm not going to revisit the entire thing here. A lot of this is being done from memory and then the <hes> the mastery that is wikipedia but in the moment <hes> was in controversial and here we are approaching fifty years since and <hes> the players have never accepted their gold medals so it's just something that I it. It's so strange to me <hes> that I would <hes> I would love to be in the midst of something like that. That's that significant. That was so brutal <hes>. I don't know that that that's what stands out. That's what stands out it to me because I'm looking for impactful from a local standpoint. I don't know when I go back to the eighty five world series I suppose in game six as far as an impactful and negative with a controversial call but there's really nothing you can do about it. I mean if I'm not mistaken Al Michaels on that one to Tim Carver I think and they were calling out that Miss Right away the best though is is just what happened with David freeze and the ninth and the eleventh inning of game six the two thousand thousand eleven world series from pure euphoric standpoint. I'm talking about you think you're about to lose and then you wind up winning and then twenty four hours later winning the world series so that's where I'm going to go essentially four plays on on that question your dream interview or Bullshit Session podcast see what I need to do with these is they need to just have something and then move on because it's not like there's a right answer but yes the question and then I go in the tank. What I really what I really need to do is read them in advance and then have them ready but you hear the thought process play out which I know is fascinating especially considering? I'm sitting in my basement by myself. I've said before like from a realistic standpoint Quin Snyder but with the with the understanding that we really do have a conversation we don't dodge the topics and I don't know if that's realistic at this point in his career with what he's been able to do and resuscitate it. He has your upside to reliving what took place in Columbia Missouri from what ninety nine or two thousand five two thousand six so I don't know how likely likely that is <hes> you know president you know we're going living or dead <hes> but it being in the scope of what is realistic but highly unlikely God I mean again realistic like one that I think could happen would be Quin Snyder <hes> one that is incredibly unlikely but who knows maybe someday initially immediately go to presidents. I you know and and so you have it's like I can't imagine by the way as I'm saying this. I know this is the theme of a couple of questions that that came in today so they're fresh in my mind. Are there people out there. I'm asking this rhetorical because again I'm in my basement by myself but are there people out there who would consider the big themselves themselves big fans of Donald Trump's and big fans of Barack Obama's. Do those people exist now from a sheer size of voters <hes>. I know that a number of people who voted for Barack Obama wound up voting for Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen but I'm talking about now in two thousand nineteen. Could you have someone who goes Ma Brock Obama love him. Oh Donald Trump love them. Honestly I really really like like in a conversation not talking about necessarily somebody doing it on their attempt to become national radio show and just saying weird shit to get attention. I'm talking about somebody in a conversation <hes> saying that so the reason and why I ask that rhetorical question to no one in particular here since I'm sitting and looking at my refrigerator is if I say Donald Trump and I go out. I don't really want to do that because I know where that would go. Honestly is I sit there and I think about Barack Obama. It's it's kind of falls in the same category of Quin Snyder different in the sense that I I think he would say a lot but I don't think he would say a lot in other words he would say a lot of things but I don't know what real meat there would be on it and then Donald Trump I just you know I mean we're all over the map there and that's that that isn't anything you know. Speaking of which because of course questions from the audience is essentially just A._D._d.. Theater in one digression after another but earlier today after T._M._a.. I usually workout <hes> in most of the time I listen to music music but today I listen to mark Marins podcast with David Lee Roth and you want to talk about all over the map. I still don't know what I listened to <hes> and and I it was an hour and thirty podcast. I got in an hour okay. I got I got. I got a tap out. I don't know what the hell was going on and so that that that that isn't fun. I didn't find it really amusing like it was random. I didn't I find it really amusing. So is an interview I like when I'm engaged and I like when the person I'm interviewing is engaged and we're going into places. We probably didn't think we were going to go and we were speaking. Honestly I think we've had that happen a number of times on this podcast where the guest didn't expect to get into stuff in kind of catches himself or herself and goes okay fuck it. I'm GONNA say it. Those are the ones I like and so in that sense it kind of doesn't matter who the a person is. I like a conversation. I don't like canned answers. I don't really feel like we've had too many of those on this. I'm sure we have in in some capacity but <HES> <hes> like them. Athenee interview that we didn't till January of eighteen was is still one of my favorites because I was like you know I went into it not knowing where he was going to go knowing what I wanted wanted to do and not sure if he was like he came there with the goal of go you know what I'm going to. I'm going to say what I think and be candid and if people don't like it they don't like it and I love that <hes> so whoever or that is that's that's honestly that's the stuff that gets me going and I and I don't as I always say. I don't have a list of questions the questions come from the person. I'm interviewing previous answer just like a conversation so you know I mean like you know obviously. If I were to interview Donald Trump or Barack Obama it would be quote good for the podcast people say that stuff and then it's like okay but then how does it actually turn into money <hes>. I don't really have an answer. I guess we said all right an exclusive with Donald Trump we could probably sell the hell out of the advertising on our exclusive with Braga Obama but again speaking from what's realistic at this particular moment and I don't even know how realistic it is Quin Snyder <hes> which I don't really feel like a great answer because I know when you're talking about Missouri Athletics and Saint Louis you're not necessarily reaching people like when you're talking about the blues or the cardinals but I feel like there's a lot there that anytime I say that I feel like there's a lot there. That's what I mean like. The Dexter Fowler interview. I felt like there was a lot there and that was a good one in the sense that I didn't know where we are going to go and we wound up getting some good stuff on that one at spring training so that gives you an idea of what I like that it's not so it's not necessarily the person so much as it is. <hes> does the person get comfortable and safe things that I know that the audience has been wondering themselves so. That that that's more dream interview than than actually the person next question same email from Jeff. If you had a chance for a question what would you ask Stan. Kroenke Noel holds no-holds-barred. I mean it's horrible I mean but my first reaction is what happened because I know and I can say I know I can't say I know from Stan Kroenke himself or even from Kevin Demo of himself himself but I know that the feeling they're in by their I mean Los Angeles and with the people associated with the rams is the real story of what happened in Saint Louis has never been told the Saint Louis and now that might just be convenient. I asked Jay Nixon about that. Essentially when he was a guest <hes> into paraphrase the question <hes> it was something along the lines of there are some people who believe the supposed- visit effort to build the Riverfront Stadium and keep the rams was essentially to save face for politicians who were in office. Obviously he would be one of those people <hes> in addition to mayors county executives senators representatives and so on and so forth <hes> because I can tell you that the rams were like yeah. I don't know what they're doing unless they are gonna get the raiders or maybe the chargers but no idea what they're doing so what happened in my what happened I mean in two thousand seven eight nine ten eleven twelve because it was the Jeff Fisher press conference in January two thousand twelve when the next morning on the morning after Doug Vaughn and I both said we played a sound bite from Stan Kroenke at the beginning of the show had nothing to do with Jeff Fisher and it was the last time Stan Kroenke spoken Saint Louis publicly and I said Doug is a doug. What do you take that he was well? The Rams are moving and that's four years before they vote so so <hes> we were on that always be proud of that that that no matter what shows over today we were on that while I felt like many weren't in the market <hes> and it and I don't know if I'll cover a bigger <hes> Saint Louis Sports sports story in my career than the rams moving as far as impact goes and as far as what was going on behind the scenes <hes> so I'm always proud of that and proud of the people I worked with on that because we weren't doing the the thing where we were telling everybody. Everything's GonNa be okay and let's breakdown this shitty game between the two in ten rams and the three and nine forty niners and act like everything's Cool <hes> you know so that's that's that's that's they. I believe so they say that Saint Louis was not you know Saint Louis was going you have nowhere to move so we're not going to do what our contract says we have to do and then the rams call their bluff and then that's how it got ugly and then at that point once they had something in l. a.. They're like screw this. It doesn't matter what Saint Louis puts on the table were gone. That's how they portrait. I suppose one thing and I did ask Kevin off this. <hes> it was a it was a phone conversation <hes> but I said you know the feeling is is that when Stan exercised his right of first refusal unshod con that he knew he was moving the team to L._A.. And he goes. That's just not true he goes now. You realize people wouldn't believe that this is meantime off talking to you I would we haven't spoken on the phone since the vote <hes> but <hes> I realize people won't believe it. He goes but our thought process. Was We want to with the Sam Bradford pick do what Indianapolis did with Peyton manning have it go from a amass which is what the colts were before manning to a staple franchise quarterback reigniting interest building Ling in entertainment district with a new stadium in downtown Saint Louis and we knew that the lease allowed us the leverage for that and then if Saint Louis did not participate in it that we would have the out to move if we wanted to. That's what he says now people of course roll their arise and they're probably never going to tell them. I don't know maybe that will you know what now is again the great digression you know what my interview is. My interview is Stan Crocker Kevin Demo. Actually Quin Snyder can be number three and I think that you know iggy has reached out to dem off without even me asking him to do so. Just because I'm like yeah he's not GonNa talk but that would be one and I kind of think think it's possible listen. I'm not saying I consider it likely. There's a difference between the two but I actually do think it's possible. I I know most of your going. There's no way and I'm not sitting here going yeah. It's fifty fifty not. I'm not even saying it's ten percent but I think it's possible and I think it has to become when all the litigation is complete so I would. I don't know I let me tell you this same thing as what I thought years years ago stands now talking if he really wants to move he's playing it. SMART drove us up the wall but he's not talking but then why in the hell does he have dem off out there talking. What is the point all? He's doing is compromising their position by saying things things that are now used against them years later in court proceeding. I've no idea I don't know what that was about. I guess the did say it's because they're trying to maximize the revenues for tickets and merge while they were here but God. I mean really like you're doubling your franchises value. You're you're talking about building multiple billions of dollars worth of stadium and and it's like okay. Let's see if we can. I mean maybe that's possible. I've always said some of the most wealthy people I know are also some of the most fruitful all but I have no idea I can't fake to me that was strategically one guy running one offense and one guy running another one and it made no sense to me and I always thought okay these guys are playing at this Ivy League level and we can't possibly possibly understand what they're doing and in reality. I'm not sure it was that sophisticated. It was just okay we can go. We're going to go. I guess we gotTa Act like we care and then we're going to go and we don't care if they hate us. We're doubling franchises value faulk them. That might just be that simple <hes>. Let's see this is for me. Maybe for you too. Can you do a Lisa an podcast all the bullshit. She may have had to go through in porn. The other half fantasy football since the time is coming just a suggestion <hes> <hes> thank you Sir for your program. You can't plows digging gangster Pete Make my day every day. Look forward to hearing you guys every morning that comes from Jeff Yeah now now. I'm feeling like I may have answered this question which scares me because I feel like I've talked about the possibilities blue interviewing adult stars on here and how when we had one sponsor for a brief time the sponsor said listen love what you do. It's not like we're prude but just for the brand that were attached to it wouldn't be good if you're interviewing doing porn stars and I said I get it. I don't have a problem with that. I appreciate setting the parameters in advance and I don't care if I really don't care if one now this that sponsor is no longer with us you can do deductive the reasoning and figure out what I'm just. I'm not naming it just because there's not really sour grapes. It's business but I also don't feel like I need to call them out and hold them accountable because business you don't really you know it's a national monster company. <hes> so it's it's neither here nor there but that those are the rules they sat and they became the title sponsor for a brief time large amount of money especially for something that you know it was at the time when we started talking to my three months old and so that just kind of set the tone but I don't have a problem at all people. Sometimes they have to apologize. I really don't like or I don't get the porn star stuff. I don't get the porn stuff and I get that you don't apologize for that that it's it's to tweets their own so you know with with regard to Lisa an you know for those of you have heard her on t._M._a.. Or those of you who've who've matter perhaps at our golf tournaments you know I love love. The fact that I think initially when people are at least it's going to be on the show like before her first ever appearance. This is going to be the porn star interview with somebody he's been up for four days and can't put two sentences together and getting giggle the whole time and then she comes on and all of us in the studio and I I know from the text inbox from the listeners their their reaction is this is the the most intelligent football conversation I've heard on this show because her knowledge is so deep on fantasy football and therefore that translates to <hes> you know for fantasy football players captivating conversation -sation and she also is an adult film star and as people have gotten to know her for example her efforts in helping to raise money for Larry Nickel a couple of months ago and then you know like women you know uh who may oftentimes I want nothing to do with porn star like yeah you know I met the guy she says just a nice regular person who happens to have sex on film for living and I realize some people will all that's a pretty big deal. I guess but I mean it's like it's like demonized you know and it's just like they can just be human beings and sometimes they're good ones and sometimes they're bad ones just like say the financial financial industry or the legal profession or sports talk radio you know but there's this shame that is applied to it. <hes> that somehow they have to be on the outskirts and we can't possibly associate with them and so <hes>. I think I've said you know I don't know maybe I haven't said I know I've said it in conversations but I if anything it's like I want through the conversations that I guess it's more on the podcast than it is on the radio radio show but to open people's to unlearn in some capacity and not even to save it then come to my side but just to review the thought process of some things that essentially I think are are dogma that in my opinion are harmful such as like you say a word and you're dead you know like if this were terrestrial radio and I said Fuck Fuck Fuck I'd be dead. You know that it'd be it and it's like I don't know if I could get hired again for something a- and then we sit there and go okay Tim just said Fuck Fuck on the podcast and it had it's like it's like nothing but yet if this were radio it could end my career which to me is just ridiculous. You know something as simple as that but I'm just telling you those are those are the rules you know what the F._C._C. rules on the radio and I said that people would go nuts not because they personally oh my God you know and they do the the popcorn gifts and beal all right. This is going to be great entertainment. Go Watch a career burn and the social media reaction and you know kill time at work <hes> another one is you know if if you're pro pornography or pro sexuality <hes> or pro sex worker that you you have to be some kind of you know deviant and you have to be inundated like yeah. I don't know I'm not I'm not sure about all these supposed. Rules doesn't seem like it's necessarily working for a lot of people so you know like Kayden Kross at this point. I've known owner for a decade. She's like a buddy. It's not like Oh cadence my my side piece. I mean she's married or I don't know she's on a long term relationship. I could never figure it out. It seems like one minute. It's this or that I have no idea and I'm sure sound like an attacked her and say what's the deal but she's with Manuel Ferrara. WHO's a performer? They have a child together. My wife has met you know don't Cayden as long as I have in addition to <hes> we've met Manuel and their daughter you know it's like there's just human beings who are in that industry. <hes> who else feel like there's another one that's O- obviously in was talking about earlier and then also one can be agnostic or atheist and also be a decent human being and this is why. I think I'm more delving into things that I was not want. This isn't like I'm blaming parents or my parents or anything like that. It also comes from schooling. I mean I went to a Catholic school not to sit good. I it was a great experience by the way Saint Gabriel's April my God for as much as I talk about my grade school and Saint Louis U.. Hi Jesuit Education the Catholic school. It's more about environmentally were told things that as we grow up at least I think go hold on a second. Maybe that's not necessarily true and I have been acting this way about this and it's kind of it's kind of bullshit and so that that is my prequel to answering Lisa on the podcast I I'm personally all four in in knowing the advertisers we have now on the podcast. I know they wouldn't care hell. She's on the radio once a week and she comes to our events and she's helped raise money for charities for us but as far as adult film stars across the board where you're talking about some things you know it could have an impact not necessarily on advertising. Although I suppose that's in play not the advertisers we have right now but you're always trying to grow your business but <hes> potentially on guests would come on the show. Although I don't think that's the case I think at this point again this is I think I think at this point people are like I don't know what the Hell's going on with this guy right but it seems like he's been around now at this point for twenty years and you know whatever he talks porn and is a heathen but people listen so you know you're not you're not going to be taken down by appearing on the show <hes> because because that's stuff did exist early on like I can't go on that show because they talk about this or that and when they may I mean me so that's that so I guess I suppose I've made progress in in in in my little missions that really in the whole scheme of things or my own personal omissions that in reality will likely have zero impact on society but it's something I'm cognizant of Ryan Kelly's the home loan expert and he is the sponsor of our studios here on the Tim mckernan show without him. We don't have a podcast so make sure you're supporting our sponsor Ryan Kelly the home loan expert dot com and with interest rates dropping and this being home buying season this is a prime time to get in and get yourself a great rate and lock in or if you want to refinance now's the time to do so Ryan Kelly's the person to do with he is online at the home loan expert Dot Com Ryan Kelly the studio sponsor of this Program Ryan Kelly the home loan expert dot com <hes> Jeff great email. I wound up going on and on forever about it. Here's a here's one. One that I think a few people are wondering about. I don't know if I answered it but we're a month on the few weeks since he sends it in June twenty fifth admit it you can't get into baseball after that run referring to Stanley Cup <hes> you're a playoff hockey fan and after that ruin your spoiled to you one count on Fowler bottom of the sixth down four runs baseball's so boring faulk. I used to bleed red that is all you're the best team that is from. Mike and I know I must have talked about this because somebody was tweeting about the fact that I was saying how Oh my love for baseball has changed and in so all revisited here where at the all-star break is. I'm talking about the stuff. The All Star game is tonight I I. I woke up this morning like is it tonight or is it tomorrow and actually I'm not even a hundred percent sure. I'm pretty sure that it's tonight. It's Tuesday and then usually they have Wednesday off some have Thursday off almost all of them if there's Avenue Astros and the Rangers play and then everybody's back to it on Friday so I have zero interest in watching the All Star Game Zero I love that it does not impact home field advantage in the world series anymore. That was my pet peeve in sports for a number of years when that bullshit bullshit started up but I just don't care and and that's that's an all star game discussion regarding. I think interleague play lesson. Did I think the fact that you can see almost every single game now and other teams and other markets whereas it was like Oh my God in Nineteen ninety-seven Saint Louis Cardinals were playing the Cleveland Indians now. It's like the cardinals were playing the Indians. Maybe they should play the Indians every year. Because at this point the novelty is obviously worn off but baseball in general at this moment. I am bored by it but I would tell you this at this time. Last year I was bored by it and the blues were not coming off a Stanley Cup run so I don't think that the two are necessarily that it's a cause and effect and even in two thousand fifteen when the cardinals one hundred games and I remember saying this I was like I don't really feel like their championship team. They just had this ridiculous starting pitching so my point is it's. It's going on now five years the thing is is that the two thousand six Carter in the two thousand eleven cardinals and also the two thousand nineteen blues. None of them look like championship teams at this particular point in their respective championship campaigns so it's a it's a weird spot because here in Saint Louis the last three world championships all come from teams that no one thought was going to win a world championship more than halfway through the season so I don't know if the cardinals but last year when they did get ridiculously hot I was like what is going on. You know and I didn't necessarily by get all that excited I don't. I don't know if it's the home runs strikeout thing. I don't know I just I put it this way. I know this if we wanted to have the hockey part of the discussion I will be watching Blues Regular Season Games at a at a rate that will be ten times more than how much regular season hockey the I watched every year my previous power thirty plus years of watching sports. I assure you of that now. It's not going to change my opinion that the N._H._l.. Regular season has absolutely is little impact of any any of the four professional leagues undetermined champion <hes> while that might be unpopular. That's that's not that bad going to change you. Just got to be one of the top eight teams and your conference and then get in and see what the hell happens but we can say this. The Blues were the best team over the final four months of the regular season and so that did carry over <hes> but you can also point to the Tampa Bay lightning and how great they were and they didn't win a game the playoffs so <hes>. I'll just be watching it for entertainment purposes. That's that's what it'll get down to. I'll be watching it for entertainment purposes. I mean the world has changed in Saint Louis Sports and by that I mean it's not the cardinals are down in the blues are up and therefore that's the way it will be. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there are now generation's plural of people who will be locked in to the blues in October when the vast majority of those people didn't give a shit like myself in previous October's. They're watching coaching ideally the cardinals and the playoffs college football n._F._l.. Football and Oh yeah the blues are opened up the season. He's a sound bite and then they fuck around for a few months and then you start paying attention in January that is over that is over and that might be over four decades and so it's a great thing because I really wish. Is that the that the game could grow <hes> nationally throughout the U._S.. Obviously huge in Canada nationally like it has an will be growing here in Saint Louis because I think it would be an incredible thing for sports I just I don't know I mean it. took the took the two months of like just snorting the greatest cocaine every other night while the blues were playing these twenty six games for me to get to a point where my I can't wait to watch regular season hockey. Even though I know it's essentially an exhibition. I wish that I wish that could happen nationally so everybody it'd be into it but for whatever the reason it it it hasn't happened. I don't know I'm sure plenty. People have their theories as to why but <hes> you know it's like the N._B._A.. was killing it until magic and bird arrived <hes> and now that's in a different world so maybe it can happen and I would love it if it did happen because because it is a great game played and managed and coached and owned by some really really quality people <hes> greetings Tim. I liked this one. I remember this one. This was sent on July third greetings Tim. Do you have any particular quote first first world problems that particularly irk you. Mine is over zealous automatic flashers on public toilets like right as you sit on the CAN. The sensor goes off and boom. You're undercarriage gets an unnecessary. Baptism your thoughts. That's from D._B.'s wonderful like this kind of question. I know I have to because I'm so fucked up and it's like let's narrow them down and give you the best ones. The fact that I don't like to drive is odd. I can't again. It's really like Thera. We didn't just you have a therapist. Come in an answer these things I just know that I don't really like driving but then again you know my wife and I went down to <hes> Dow Hussey which is a golf course in Cape Girardeau this past weekend and it was we were we weren't even gone twenty four hours and it was was twenty four of the best hours I've had I don't know how long and and when we went with another couple billion missy shack lady for the record people who who was it billy missy shackled he might know Oh them from <hes> fan page <hes> billion Golfer <hes> Good Golfer I am a middling Golfer and <hes> and <hes> stated <hes> they have cabins on the property and the reason I bring it up is you would think you know Cape Girardeau being at an hour and a half away and behaving drive and it's you know all due respect it's Cape Girardeau and not Las Vegas where historically we've been on Fourth of July why or Hilton head that we were told to help last year. I'm usually playing in the world series of poker over the last eleven years at this time of year so I've gone from Las Vegas to Cape Girardeau but I loved it and I think one of the reasons I loved it was when we got out there in billion missy hadn't even got there yet. I'm walking around like there's no one around in its this world class practice facility range <hes> short game area and I hadn't even been on the chorus yet now and the cottages were nice and I'm so fucking weird that I have to stay in Nice places now because I of money because I this thing developed you know eighteen nineteen years ago and I didn't have much much money then and now I got a bunch of money now but I know what the perception is so whatever I have to play inside of these perceptions opposed to realities but either way you know growing up my mom not getting on planes <hes> because she was pregnant with me it was on a flight with a bomb scare and that was a bomb threat and that was a lot of you can go okay. Well I get that sucks for my dad. They're driving everywhere and they they spend a lot of time in Hilton head over the course of the year. It's my dad's driving that's rough but either way the family drove for our family vacations and I have two brothers and a younger sister and I mean you just look back and we're staying at like. Take your pick of whatever but as you can imagine it's not like we were staying at the Four Seasons on our travels to South Carolina and I was fine with it didn't think anything of it love. The trips was great. It's what at that time and my sister is thirteen years younger than me so she wasn't around for almost all the family vacations that I went on but you know it's a bunch of people in one hotel room and it's not like it was exactly you know again four seasons seasons so then I started when I started came in two thousand and Sam because came over he was putting the up there. It's just the the situation the the blues and the Rams and the cardinals are obviously staying at four seasons and Ritz Carlton's and now here I am at twenty three years old and I get my own room mm for union rules talent union rules and nothing to do with me but I am at twenty three years old and I'm I'm now swimming in the deep end and that's where we're staying and once you do that and you obviously have some and fucked up things going on so I'm the perfect storm I can. I go back yes but I have this really strange anxiety about it and the ones I get there. I'm completely fine fine. It's it's I wish I wasn't. I trust me. I don't I'm not like yeah and you should be this way too when it comes to the porn thing questioning dogma. I think it's healthy what I'm talking about here that that's my ideal unhealthy wish which I didn't have it but it is. It's it's my thing. This is our little <hes> this is our little corner of the podcasts world and so I'm coming clean on it and so getting to Dell Hussey in the cottages cabins villas. I have no idea either way really nice not like extravagant but just rock solid and it's like they're like like fifteen to twenty five second walk from the driving range. I mean Shit. It's the greatest then you get on the golf. Course the thing is just so nice. I don't know what else I can even compare it to that. I've played and that's the greatest course. I've ever played a much saying. It's it's not I'm just saying it's it's I in Saint Louis. There's really nothing I guess guessing maybe persimmon maybe for making like a stretch just because there you just don't have this type of thing in Saint Louis either way places incredible but the thing that I loved about it most is there was nobody around so I've become that guy like it used to be like a running joke. The David Letterman would like retreat to Montana you know in like sitting a cabin and so I think the Larry Sanders show one of my favorite shows ever if not my favorite show so I think kind of parodying David Letterman Larry had a time where he would just retreat to Ikea Cabinet. I think it was in Montana <hes> and and I I never ever would have thought here I am guy who can't wait to get to Las Vegas. I guess <hes> Would WanNa like get somewhere and like have nobody around but my wife and I were in Heaven Holy Shit we loved it. I mean we loved it. God what I'm just telling you go down there. If you're a golfer you know if you know it you know it. You know what I'm saying. If you don't take take the take the drive down fifty five and you know I went to school at Missouri so I've obviously going back and forth from Columbia Billion Times and I've covered Missouri Athletic so I've been back and forth you know usually is sixty four turns into highway forty and then I seventy and I just feel like the drive to Cape is a super are easy. I mean you get on fifty five and you get off and I think you're a delicacy within like God it high end five minutes after you get off the interstate so it's pretty easy drive and I enjoyed that but when I'm driving on like Manchester or just the rare times I'm driving outside of my little three mile bubble. I hate it. I I really and I don't know why I have no idea why I have no no idea why again another thing that I would include in the <hes> the therapist session no idea why just no I hate it when the Internet is not working I word first world problem. Tilts me although now that's it's really been mitigated by <hes> you know obviously phones or if you have wireless card it's it's kind of a nothing now but back in the day when I was playing poker and not that far back <hes> if you're in the middle of a hand or tournament ornament and your Internet goes down I mean you're just talked so that one would put me on tilt still goes on still going tilt like like with like your television service going out when it's not weather related because the weather let you go. That's part of the deal when just goes out for no reason tilt and it's just like Oh like I'm sure like if I were to hear this in even like tomorrow but you know twenty or thirty years from Negga God hockey you but they Dev's you ask the question. I'm giving you the answer right. I've been in the emails and I haven't gotten to. Let's see this Guy <hes> I'll go one more mark. 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This might be extreme but I've never seen this country. recertified at her hateful simple things like empathy aren't even agreeable. Do you think this country is headed for a second civil war. If not what can be changed seems like the toothpaste is out of the bottle. Thanks that's from John. That's like like this is. I could do a whole podcast on this and I was just like an exit the inbox and then I did this. Why do I think the country's headed toward a second civil war no <hes> do? I think that this is going to get worse before it gets better. Yes it's now. I'm talking and Kevin Demo language because I used to be what he used to say and I guess you know what now that we look back on it. He was not lying <hes> but I don't I don't see a second civil war in in in what we think we think of the civil war the blue and the gray the north and the South Union the confederacy you know brother against brother Mason Dixon line all of these things and of course the centerpiece being slavery I mean I just don't see anything thing like that. I think you could make a case that we're already in a cold civil war. I mean look at me. I stumbled into it when when the question was asked who would your dream guests be and I said I say Barack Obama but then that pissed off Donald Trump people go say donald trump at the net would piss off rock Obama people and it's really just more about its president so that's that's my my answer and then I go. Hey does anybody love Barack Obama and loved Donald Trump. Is it even possible like four real. I mean there has there. I guess there has to and I somebody with this now. I'm going to play into it but somebody who's like. Let me let me try to narrow zero the the the sample size somebody in this by the way I'm now excluding myself but someone with a college degree okay. I don't have one sometime. I'm not talking about somebody who just like sits on social media and just as like you know wants to say they love Donald Trump. I really don't know if that's possible. I really and I'm not saying because you can't possible I just I don't because of what the question here John's question I do feel people wind up on sides rides. I mean look what happened with the World Cup you had Americans cheering against the Americans because they felt like the women were being un-american and the self awareness level of cheering against the Americans and that I think would literally by definition be on American but they're cheering against the Americans because as they perceive them to be on American but in reality they simply or Megan Piano in particular spoke out against Donald Trump but then that was labeled un-american wow I don't know man but I don't think that we're headed toward a civil war at the same time like I here's one thing I'll say I think I think that there is a perception from those who will not be voting for Donald Trump and I think that includes some Republicans and of course the vast majority of Democrats and then people who'd be independent and I think amongst that voter pool. I think that there is a perception that if donald trump loses in November of twenty twenty that quote unquote load this all goes away and quote at. I just don't necessarily think that's the case like. I don't think that there's like this end zone this finish line in November twenty twenty. It just sounds like a huge portion of the American population just goes Oh. I guess we were wrong. That's not the way that it will work so I say that because I don't. I don't think that this is just suddenly going to get better and I mean you know. It's one of those things I and maybe I'm off on this but I do feel pretty. I do feel I feel I feel I'm of course who says Shit. They don't think is right but I acknowledge that it's not fact based it's it's experience based and it's intuitive but so often and I can't cite the example because I'm getting into you know specific personality. Anybody would know but you know <hes> an experience I had someone brought something up in a conversation that was clearly from Fox News. I mean it just it just it just it had all of the you know all of the signature elements of it and this is a wonderful person who said this and it was just in a casual conversation and for you know the people involved who heard this. You know we this kind of you know whatever it is. It didn't go hold on a second. What are you say you know? It's kind of like Oh really you know just like because don't engage but it's like here's here's a really good human. Being who you know you watched something that you know was what it was and and then really thought it was like a real thing and and and I say this not because like I am superior intellectually. I'm saying it because I feel like the biggest issue the biggest but a big issue that we have at this moment is you do have if people who essential. I don't even know what's Republican Democrats. They're pro-trump their anti-trump and for a number of those people on either side they view the other side as being the enemy and full of bad people and the thing that I say so often regarding this situation is I mean some of the people who are closest to me in my wife voted for Donald Trump and they're close to me because I think very highly of them and their character and I and I feel like there's there like like people I couldn't couldn't possibly be friends with. I couldn't possibly go out with someone who voted for take Pick Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump and and I'm just like that's just not the way you know things things things were and I don't think it's going to change and I don't again. It's one of those things I'm just observing but I think that again. It's not going to lead to necessarily a civil the war the country breaks up but I don't think it's going away. I don't know if it will go away in my lifetime. Actually I don't know I'll tell you what I hate that. This is what I think think but what's what's probably going. It's going to take but I think it probably would be temporary. I guess it depends on the magnitude but would probably would take would be a tragedy to bring the country together which sucks but you know it's it might be difficult especially. I know a lot of you. Are you know younger than me and you might not even remember it or if you do me I barely was paying attention in two thousand and early two thousand one Bush v Gore I mean the country was divided divided and I was barely paying attention but I was old enough to be paying attention. I just wasn't paying attention at the time and then what happens timber eleventh came in George Bush's approval rating you know skyrocket in the country's united and in. Here's you know a guy who by the time he left office was detested in New York City but on September. I guess it was October of two thousand one. He throws out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium in the world series and he roars and he throws perfect fix strike and means the world people you know I mean Donald Trump would not be throwing a pitch at the world series at this point it. Would you know but in two thousand nine at the All Star Game I remember Barack Obama you know he's what four months into his administration five five hundred administration it didn't I didn't even think like it'll be cool to see the president till I really thought and he comes out there and his white sox jacket and the MOM jeans any they announce any gets booed and I'm like Whoa what the fuck faulk. Where does that come from because five years earlier George W Bush throat throughout the first pitch at Busch Stadium? I'm virtually certain of this was two thousand four would certainly make sense two thousand four election election-year Missouri at the time was up for grabs totally different ballgame now but at the time only fifteen years ago it was a purple state and and he was cheered wildly in even though I knew I would not be voting for him. Even though I voted for him in two thousand I would not be voting perform in two thousand and four based on the Iraq war for the record that I still stood and applauded the president but five years later the president got booed same same same city that same ballpark same city as I whoa what happened and I don't know some people might be dude wants a Republican think of the Cardinal Fan base in one's a democrat. I don't know I I just know it did happen. I guess I don't know I mean we know this isn't going to happen but of Donald Trump came out and threw out the first pitch before cardinal game. I what do you think would happen and I guess honestly with my right. I think he'd probably get cheered loudly. What do I think it would happen if he went through out the first pitch in L._A.? Before a dodger game I think he'd be booed wildly. I don't know none of this matters. I'm having a conversation with myself while looking at my refrigerator maybe we'll rename the podcast that so I don't know I don't know so maybe it is a civil war but it's a civil war of like densely populated areas you know <hes> on the coast more so although there obviously exceptions but <hes> I mean the the civil war that that one would be talking about would be more news and information not people fighting on battlefields but I just don't think it's going to. I just don't think it's going away. You put it that outweigh and no matter what you say no matter what no matter what Donald Trump is not off or is out of office in <hes> you know been what five years but even if he is voted voted out in November twenty twenty I would imagine you'll have people crying five. It'll be a whole thing I just it's. I don't know man I don't know man and it's amazing how quickly it has changed. Holy Shit Shit. You know but that that's that's where it is. I just don't think it's going away. I don't think it's going to be a civil war. Just don't it's going to be way but yeah. I think the country divided I don't I don't I have cassatt. The only thing that I think brings had together. It's not what I wanted. I just think that is a tragedy and even then I you know I don't know it would be temporary you know because by the time two thousand three rolled around George W Bush's approval rating was this was going down with what happened with Iraq. Some people loved it. Some people hate it but the country is divided on it now divided like this though all right. I've been on on the email I gotta go to to my to my good friends. The team a fan page where some wonderful questions were asked and see what we got here at <hes> you have to cook one meal to perfection to save your life life. What are you cooking? I am not a good cook. I barbecue. It's fine. I have my moments but it's you know for the juice squeeze analytic analytic I can drive to papiers or salt and smoke or you know one of the great places we have in Saint Louis and in that that's that's my that's my that's my squeeze and the juices an incredible product as opposed to my squeeze going out buying preparing attempting to cook it properly attempting to grill smoke at Barbecue at properly not knowing that I will and that's you know hours upon hours most likely process. It just just seemed pretty easy that the move is to not do it unless you're just like I'm GonNa Barbecue Burgers and brought worse and it's going to be tough to faulk those up so it's a good question Patrick I just don't. I don't have a great answer so I if you're saying I save my life one. where I I feel confident? I'm going to cook it to Perfection AG- Gimme a Taco night. I do a Taco night. It's horrible answer but it's an honest answer Taco Bell Taco night you know James Carlton of the Carlton State Farm Insurance Agency is my insurance agent so this is a first hand endorsement of James Carlton and his staff in Webster Groves three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or go online at Carlton Insurance Dot Net. I think a lot of people just go okay well. I've got a guy I've gotTA lady. I'm good. I don't really care to talk about insurance. It's something you know I'm twenty five. 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If your insurance costs an arm called James Carlton State <hes> let's See <hes> <hes> what is most important of the Saint Louis Sports scene going forward cardinals getting back the postseason form. M._L._S. team local college teams Mizzou's Lou Illinois Basque Align Basketball Football Improvement Consistent postseason appearances and why it's a good question too good question. The cardinal situation is is my answer this M._l._S. team thing. I just listen if Saint Louis doesn't get M._L._S. team. I'm going to be like a target because as I've been saying for months like into twenty eighteen that this is happening and this is just a a little show and leverage and whatever and it's just it it it's almost I. I don't know I don't I don't. I really don't know I just I don't know what to say outside of. It's a little exhausting <hes> in the sense that we have to pretend like this isn't going to happen and then we have to pretend like it's this huge accomplishment when it does happen and I am thrilled that it's going to happen but I feel like if you have a checkbook you get a team so I don't necessarily feel like this is going to be great civic accomplishment and I'm. I guess maybe what I'm dreading is knowing its coming and knowing I'm going to be the guy that's going to get attacked because I'm not going to be waving my city of Saint Louis flag the day that it does happen <hes> because I feel like the M._l._S. business model Liz expansion fees so I'm thrilled for Saint Louis. I think it'll be a great atmosphere. I can't wait to take my son to games but I don't think like this is a sign that we're making progress as a city. I think there are other things that are signs that we're making progress as a city the startup climate <hes> would be one the <hes> building up of areas not necessarily downtown. It doesn't have to be downtown. You know I don't necessarily think necessarily leads to <hes> people wanting to move here but I think it opens up natives and residents is to the possibility that hey you just had one of the best golf tournaments ever in the last year and you just saw the hockey hockey team won the Stanley Cup <hes> so I so I do see thing I did. This one is a positive I just don't necessarily I don't necessarily view it as this incredible accomplishment that I think it's going to be portrayed as because I I think if if you know I wanted to move a team to Kirkwood and I had the money I could have done it I that's that's my premise <hes> and I hope the M._l._S. becomes a huge thing and I think I think actually by the way I think the business model on the M._l._S. is sustained through expansion fees for the time being that ideally become part of what you have going on with the Champions League. Eventually I think that's I think and then you have the television fees and now and then you got something that people are going to be excited about. That's what I think I could. I could be completely wrong on this but I just try to figure out the whole thing is for the life of me <hes> I'm I'm trying to figure out the deal but I this is coming as a by the way a big soccer fan. You know it's another. It's like I'm trying to tell you Democrat Republican black. I have no idea what the hell I am. I'm kind of nauseated across the board but but as far as <hes> pro soccer anti-soccer hundred percent pro soccer hundred percent pro pro soccer I love the game I like watching the game and I'm looking forward to watching my son play the game assuming he's going to play it. What I'm not pro is like jerking ourselves off like we had this big landmark move forward for our region by getting an M._l._S. team so I hope people understand what I'm trying to lay out as a is the difference there because I know that that can be <hes> people are GonNa be hyper hyper sensitive on it but if I don't convey okay at properly then maybe I deserve the hypersensitivity so that's why I'm trying trying to do it but the cardinal thing is cardinal thing is I don't WanNa say it's always going to be number one because I don't think the cardinals are number one in two thousand when the Rams won the Super Bowl and the cardinals are number one right now in the blues won the Stanley Cup but as far as what's going to move the needle? It's the cardinals whether there it's really bad or really good. The weird spot is the cardinals have just been kind of this middle of the road not really bad even though around here it's getting labeled this really bad middle the road team including this season you have three and a half seasons of this now sixteen seventeen eighteen and a half of nineteen and I wanted to see them sell in two thousand sixteen at the trade deadline and I wanted to see himself in two thousand seventeen at the trade deadline and I wanted to see him sell two thousand eighteen at the trade deadline and when they traded Tommy Fam- At ten in the morning on the day of the trade deadline last year. I thought they were finally going to do so and I'm like what are the chance of having it three years in a row while faulk now we have four years in a row. I don't no man and you know it's one thing for it to happen in two thousand sixteen when you're coming off a four straight and L._C._S.'s followed by one hundred win season you know and in those in the N._F._l.. See US run you had a world championship and independent you know you lost after the giants and twelve and fourteen but you got there. How can you complain about that or you can go on with the different situation? They would have won more world series. I would understand that I'm with you on that. If you're thinking that way in seventeen it's kind of like what's going on here and then in eighteen I think at this point people are like it's gotta be maxine. We'll end with any gets fired and now it's nineteen year old a what the hell is going on here and I think some people like I got a fire John Mozelle and maybe that's the direction. The organization eventually is going to take. I'm telling you this. I would be shocked if they fired John Mozelle lock in in the month of July. I don't really expect him to get fired fired after the season and I know people like you gotta be kidding me. The media in this town sought and I'm not saying it because I don't think it should or I don't think he shouldn't. I'm just telling you what I think is the case but at the same time the night Athena as far as like a Saturday night I happen to be sitting in my basement my wife watching TV. I got the email from the cardinals and I didn't even see it on twitter. I think I was the first person to tweeted actually and normally I totally avoid that shit except I had the release from the cardinals and it came out of nowhere and I was legitimately Lee surprised by it so like I got a good track record engage in this stuff. I just don't think that they will do it but they are in a spy here man. They're in a spot. They're in a spot because they actually have real competition from the blues. The Blues take a different approach. The perception is the blues take a different approach. Let me put it that way and I think that perception has a lot of truth to it and they also have been this middling team boring middling team for now this would be three and a half seasons thing is and also by the way some of these guys are free agents after the specifically Zona <hes> but then the other side of it is they really have committed a lot of dollars that are on the books for next year and you go. Oh God I'm not really excited that these guys are on books next year and the the message before the season is we are. We are focused on this year for the first time as opposed to dislike sustained competitive baseball. We are focused on this year. Okay all right. The blue just won on the Stanley Cup. You're playing boring baseball. You can't score runs despite a lineup that looks pretty damn good on paper then you look at the statistics and you say it's not a very good lineup for whatever reason there's certainly room for improvement across the board. I don't know who's playing above what you would expect them to be at this particular moment but you said you were committed to two thousand nineteen okay. The trade deadline is coming even though the team is playing boring bad baseball for the most part they're just a couple of games out of first place. What do you do? Can you have another other year. You sit on your hands at the deadline Faulk I don. Here's the thing I don't know what to tell them to do because I don't feel like it's not that they're asking but I don't. I don't feel like it's a case for their one player away. It's not like you're going shit if they could get the bullpen right. You're on okay fine ten to the bullpen. If you really feel like that's an issue what about the rotation and what about the offense tend to the offense okay. What about the rotation? It's just an do. They have the depth of prospects now to do this so it's a it's a spot and it's uh spot and I really don't know what they are going to do and I'm not sure what they should. What do you know the last three? July's have been like they should sell. I understand why they probably won't but they should sell but they were within a couple of games the division of the wildcard each year this year there there again got. I don't know it's not unlike those years where he looked around and go yeah. This team's really good. This team is really good this. I'm like Shit. I think there's only a couple of teams that have more wins like by a decent margin than the cardinals do at the same time. They're only a couple teams that have more losses the cardinals do by a decent margin. Is this logjam now if the cardinals were in the N._F._l.. West or the East I think the mindset would be a hell of a lot different around here but because they're in the national league central and because they they are two games out of first place even their five hundred people. Are you know going God. I go all in Madison Bumgarner. I mean the rockies are essentially what the cardinals are there forty four and forty five Carlos or forty four and forty for the rockies are fourteen and a half games out of first place. The cardinals are two games out of first place that gives you an idea of what what I'm what I'm getting at here. The angels are essentially what the cardinals are a a five hundred team. They're twelve and a half games on it. First Place Angels are game under five hundred the white sox about what the cardinals are there two games under five hundred twelve and a half games out of first place. It's just there in this division and it's a weird spot. Not The best for my standpoint is if they haven't done it in the DEWITT era would be that either this go on a tear the first couple of weeks after the All star break or they fall apart the first couple of weeks after the All star break nick but even then I just don't see bill the wit authorizing in the final couple of years of Yada. You're Molina and the final year possibly of Adam wainwright just going okay tear it down and I'm not necessarily saying that has to be torn down to the cubs or astros levels. I'm just saying it's just this is. This is not anything anything. I used to a cardinal fan where I'm just like oh they're on on. I guess I gotTa Watch it really don't want to and I think other people feel that way so man. I'm telling you they are in a spot all right. Let me get to some other zones here answering D._M._Z. on facebook Nice school back down now. Let's see more D._M._Z.. Facebook <hes> let's see what are your personal feelings about college athletics being in the Journalism School. I assume you got a firsthand. Look at the good bad and ugly of college athletics. Do you think the athletes should be compensated beyond scholarships <hes> yes I do to answer that question in in the first part is I love watching college. Football couldn't care much less about college basketball even at this point the N._C.. Double A. Tournament <hes>. I don't know if that changes if Missouri or Saint Louis you in particular to an extent Illinois has a great regular regular season. If I would then be more interested I imagined I would of course be more interested but so set about Missouri Played Florida state in the first round two seasons ago. I really was ready to go to bed. I WANNA stay up to watch it <hes> and it was a late late start and we were in Florida so it was even later but just like whatever you know I mean I'm just a college basketball. I'm just so loved college football as far as what it is. It's professional sports. I you know I it's professional sports. It's professional sports clouded under this bullshit that so you know I don't know people asked and I think it actually pops up here later in this thread about now that the blues won the Cup. What is the thing that I wanNA see next? Honestly you know the answers. Missouri went in the National Championship in football but it won't it won't compare to the Blues lose one in the Stanley Cup or my emotions. During cardinal runs before they finally won another one in two thousand six. It just won't his those are grinding months of in the Stanley Cup playoffs case two months the baseball a month and it's every other night and it is you know football. I Love I love college football. Love it but it just you know it's it's. It's you know those three hours will be intense. Yes with college football. Those five hours will be intense but it's not the week after week after week after week. It's at the same time some of the funniest part is the anticipation and I love being at the S._e._C.. Championship in two thousand thirteen different twenty fourteen was cool to see Missouri Play Alabama but you knew they weren't plan for anything. We need fucking lost Indiana earlier in the year <hes> twenty thirteen <hes> that was like a national championship semifinal things broke their way into be there and Missouri had a legitimate chance could have won that game. Maybe should have won that game. That was great but I I it's it's it's not something that would <hes> envelope Saint Louis the blues and cardinals do in recently of course the blues did so the the answer honestly. Is You know it's just it's it's you know I think the boxers have been checked. I mean the U._S.. World Cup win. You know my son getting new experience this stuff and experiencing with him the stuff that I've already experienced. That's that's the stuff that I think stands out to me and I but some of you probably hear that no yeah that's that's a lot of what I think about now <hes> more so than my personal experiences but yet college athletics I mean it's you know at that level. It's just you know I mean if anybody really's. lillies like holding onto these guys these are some great student athletes and it's not because it's not I don't necessarily view it as their fault. I mean there these these factories and you know in people's jobs and millions billions of dollars are online based on how the factories churn out the athletes and how those athletes perform so. I can't even attempt to con myself into going yeah and you know what's a great thing is they graduated ninety five percents percents like Oh. Did they really okay. I mean I guess they may have by definition graduated ninety five percent but okay I mean you know and I I love college. Football was saying but sometimes college fan and this isn't limited to to anything locally. It's across the board. It's it's it's makes me more uncomfortable than pro sports fan and I don't know what that's about but I felt this way before social media. It's a it's a it's something that makes me uncomfortable and I don't think it's the age thing it's like the lack of reason thing in the you're the Anti Christ if you're not on my on my team side. It's a it's a weird weird thing. I'm uncomfortable with it all right I got I got to wrap it up. I got to wrap it up what we got. Oh It's C.. Is a good one because it's not really a question but it's a thought and I'm sure to kind of along the lines lines of the parenting thing that I just made reference to <hes> you mentioned in a previous Q. F._T._A.. That you imagine your son wearing a professional soccer jersey fan to be clear European. I would imagine that is likely I'm pushing forty nine. I have two sons fifteen twelve or sort of experiencing the same things as apparent relative to our kids age. What I'm discovering is that their lives are so drastically different than ours growing up? Our childhoods were relatively similar to our father's Day to their fathers can't imagine imagine that's true but maybe it is. I think maybe mind my father's might be. I can't imagine my my dad's to his. I just can't imagine you're talking about World War. Two and World War One technology analogy is progressed so rapidly though it might as well be two thousand one hundred nineteen twenty nineteen neither of our son's care to watch anything but he's sports thankfully my youngest plays baseball basketball and recently soccer so I get the experience of watching him play playing catch China occasion etc.. There's still kids. Sports are their life but it seems to be the minority. This isn't a question of course but thought I would give you something to think about. Thanks for all that you do yeah. I mean that's I'm aware of that aware of it of course Moore as an observer not not living it and it's a case by case thing you know I I recall having a conversation with skip Burke Meyer who is one of the best amateur golfers in Saint Louis and those who were in that world and I realize there's not a a lot of people but they know his name <hes> and just bullshitting. We played together one time and I said when did you start playing. I'm just curious because interrupting some Marco Rubio moment. I need to get a beverage. I said you know because most of these guys who you see it. On tour there are exceptions but most of them have been playing since like they were like six or seven and he said Yeah I started probably way to go to even better he is but my mom was in his mom was one of the best like Missouri amateur players ever you know and so it's if my son gets into something. I don't know it might sound oh well wait and see but I mean it might. My reaction is I'm going to support it. Even if I'm not necessarily personally into it again I think I do think I kind of the age each thing on the parenting thing kind of feel like it's like <hes> like when Anna Marie got pregnant in two thousand sixteen. I wasn't like Oh my God. I'm forty. I'm like faulk. We've been trying to have a kid for what five six years in we haven't been able to so these are the cards we were dealt and it was not our choice per se and it's a weird thing like people kind of get an animal. I don't want to overstate like a a lot of people you know. If you could say you could go back and have your child at twenty two. I go no thank you not interested but that's me and I'm sure plenty of you did have kids maybe even before then in God bless in my guesses. You made it work so it's Ah but you don't know people's circumstances in our case. We wanted to have one when I was what thirty four I guess but it didn't work out that way. We thought we couldn't have a child. So you know we were thrilled. We have been able to have have one. We'd love to have another but if it doesn't happen often we feel like we've run incredibly good considering the math we were told so you know I have at this point of what twenty two month old and I'm forty two and I love it and and you know I mean you know I see things and I guess maybe I'm able to do things with him. I certainly wouldn't be able to do in my twenties and I might not have wanted to do and it just so happens and I don't know why but he loves golf but I am very careful to not be like okay now. I need to try to create the next Justin Thomas here you know if he winds up not light and and you're going how the fuck do you know. He loves golf. Well you know like when I'm done with this. God only knows when I'll be done with this. I just babble on I take them up to like family golf and he runs around with a putter and he putts in his you know that he started doing this one and a half and my wife got him like these little plastic clubs and I wouldn't be surprised if I hear it because I'm in the basement and I hear it upstairs and he starts whacking the ball like a hockey stick and he'd chase it around he hammers hammers the thing and and he pots and it says nuts to me but it's great because it's something I enjoy doing with him but if he were up there like like I would imagine those of you who are parents of sons. It sounds like this is standard shit. I knew nothing about it. But now I of course do the truck obsession that goes on for a couple of years and I never even thought about it is you can imagine that's not necessarily my bag but for whatever reason boys at this age data's one look at trucks Fox and trains and cars and it's not something I'm like oh sweet. It's a it's an excavator or look. It's a digger. I don't know but I know he likes it. So I'm sitting there. I'm watching. I'm reading about it. So that's where I am. I happen to like golf. He happens to love ring around you know I've thrown him wiffle balls and he does like when we go in the backyard and hit balls up on the roof <hes> but kick kick balls at that hasn't stuck at this point and we watch coach you know like I said we watch tiger chip. In Augusta in two thousand five on sixteen have to be around a thousand times now at this point well here it comes. Oh my goodness. Oh Wow there it is I think I'm on the right pacing Verne Lundquist. I've watched it so many times and then the fireworks going off over Allen Craig shoulder when he's being interviewed by Ken Rosenthal following the cardinals winning the two thousand eleven world series now obviously those are things that are near and dear to me but but then he calls for them fireworks that means to watch game seven to two thousand eleven world series Tiger Tiger wants to what tiger chip in and then he got into the top ten tiger woods shots that are on Youtube and so we watch that and at first it's like this is the greatest thing in the world and like Oh my God. I'm going to watch tiger shot at the memorial again. Oh look there's Rickie Fowler. I find new things because I'm watching the same thing over. Look at that blade of grass you know but but you all can who have children in this age range can relate to it. I love it. I absolutely love it. I don't think I don't think that I will be demonizing E.. Sports or whatever it is by the time he's He's ten eleven twelve the way that I think my parents are. Maybe some parents demonize gaming right now or did demonize gaming then not to say everybody did but it's a different it's part of that culture part of young people you no culture and and I loved it at the time when I was coming up and I just I don't I don't know maybe I'm saying this. Maybe I'll change my mind on it but I just I think I think one what I want what I would imagine what most of you want for your children is happiness now. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe you're like no. I need. You know my son to be daughter to be a doctor. I have no idea I wanNA see my daughter. You know president or something I have no idea I don't know I just know that in my forty two years what I have learned here over the last however many is that when it all gets down to it because I always go back to time and the and the balance of time and how that is absolutely decreasing the financial may increase it may decrease but we know the time is decreasing and therefore enjoy it i. I just don't think I'm going to be if I get. They're lying on my deathbed or at a Nursing Home Gone God. I really wish I would have stayed at came over and done something. I hated so I could be on television and make another. You know whatever it not like. It was all all that much all due respect because I didn't like it you know I wish I would have gone into law school as opposed to you know pursuing that which it is that I wanted to pursue which was find something you love and find someone to pay you to do it. That's it but when you do that you're now going to be in a spot where there's a lot of people who want to do it so you know at this moment on the timeline of my parenting which is most likely way behind a good number of yours and so you can look at me and look down at me and say you say this now but you have no idea what will be in your right. You're a hundred percent right on that but I just I try. I want happiness. I want him to be like right now. He is the happiest guy going which is fucked up considering how bizarre I am but he is a great great reflection on his mother and both sets of grandparents <hes> but he's so happy and that's what I want him to be happy. I don't want him to go through the Shit that I've gone through career wise like the public stuff. I don't want that for him but I want to do something happy. That's to me. That's the name of the game. I like pursue money for happiness so you know if e- sports is what blows his hair back and by the way has wonderful hair again leading that I think maybe for like our thousandth episode. We need to do a Maury Povich here but the the that that's that's where it is now. I I get the poster here. It wasn't like complaining about it but just like making the observation like it's just a different deal and yeah that may be the case and you know the golf thing might not necessarily be the best thing because in order to be really good at it. It requires kind kind of a unique personality trait. It's a personality trait that I have not that. I'm good at it but that I am just kind of self motivated individual like I can be out on range N._B._N.. Heaven like I was telling you earlier about Dell Hussey Z.. I loved just sitting. I'm like Oh my God. I have this practice facility and there's nobody around. I have my ear pods in and this is the game sweating my balls off but this is the greatest thing ever. I love it poker same deal in order to be good at the time you had to read now you can watch twitch but when I started you know it was reading and you're obviously sitting at a poker table alone with your thoughts. You're fighting the battle by yourself. You're making your skill plays and you're making your luck plays and which you're doing it by yourself but that's what I liked so you know if if he's into that he's into that if he's not into that and that's cool with me too and again. It's not like you're saying you need to be carefully. I realized what you're saying. You're just making an observation that the game has changed and I get it even though I get it more from an account standpoint as as opposed to experience standpoint but I'm cool with that and because you know anytime anytime you're doing something you love and then authority figure in your life is telling you it's wrong and you're going but I don't get why it's wrong. That's a that's a tough thing kind of goes back to my dogma. Thank earlier but nobody's is getting hurt and I'm having fun and I'm not risking my health. I could take but then it's like you can like go into all but are you are you is sitting in front of a television whereas sitting in front of a laptop is sitting in front of an ipad is is that really good for you. I don't know I don't know if certainly if it's bad for you throw people throw studies and I'm not listen. I I don't do it. I'm just not sure so. I don't know I'm telling you this. He's he's watching trucks on his little device. Whatever the hell it is not an IPAD and it's not a laptop? Annemarie got him something that he can watch youtube on. It and I'm sure you might know the title. I have no clue. All I know is he wants. My laptop and I gotTa make sure browsers is closed out. That's what I need to do but he's watching truck videos. That's what's going on then he loves it and it in every piece of apparel he wears has a truck on it. Dump truck fire truck doc the he'll wear Pajama bottoms as long as the trucks there. I will go up the golf course here. Maybe in a little bit and there's a good chance he will be on the putting green running around but in Pajama bottoms with a truck shirt on. That's that's probably where we're heading but I love. It absolutely absolutely absolutely can't get enough of it all right. That's a good place to wrap it up here. <hes> what I go almost an hour and thirty how about that just sitting here talking to the refrigerator Oh man I got some fucking stuff going on. 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Memphis Grizzlies coach Taylor Jenkins

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Memphis Grizzlies coach Taylor Jenkins

"Hey everyone welcome in to another edition of the World Pot. I'm here in New York with the Memphis. Grizzlies one of the surprise teams an all of the NBA this season and something of a podcast doubleheader per us starting out with Taylor Jenkins the first year head coach of the Grizzlies. Who's got this team in playoff contention currently the eighth seed in the Western Conference in talked Taylor about his history with Gregg Popovich and Quin Snyder. And of course Mike Boot and holders and assistant in Atlanta and Milwaukee and then the second part of this podcast with rookie of the year favourite Djalmir and his teammate. Jaren Jackson who both players have the makings of future all stars in the NBA. But have the grizzlies right now in? What many of us would have thought was improbable playoff contention. But before we get going here in New York with the Memphis Grizzlies. Make sure you're also listening the low post with Zach Lowe Brian Winters and hoop collective and the as VP pod. With Scott Van Pelt. Sa- let's get to it and let's start with my conversation with Memphis Grizzlies. First Year. Head coach Taylor Jenkins the Wakata Pot is sponsored by Delta Airlines. Who believe that the more you go out and see this world of ours. You'll find that. There's more that connects us than divides us one of the great luxuries of traveling. As much as I do in this job is getting to check in. And some of the League's best players coaches and executives and some of best times. Are we connect not only about our shared love and passion of basketball but also about family friends and even food so no matter where you're headed next know that when you meet New People you might have more in common than you think Delta? Keep climbing here with Taylor Jenkins the Memphis Grizzlies coach the coach of the eighth seed in the Western Conference Thirty and thirty one As we take this Taylor in the western conference coach of the month for January I always. I've never what do you get coach? A month to get a certificate suitable for framing is as a kid now first off. Thanks for having me. Yeah obviously a great honor text messages. You know some phone calls. You know got great letter in a little trophy from the coaches association. That's very very appreciative of that. So something to hold onto and just remember the great month that we had all the growth that we've had up to that point of the season so definitely a humbling. Honour Hope for more team success for sure I always imagine you guys getting like those certificates that like your mother used to hang up on the refrigerator some stuff. That's that's the coach at a month player of the week. A little bit more professional with a letterhead. Also it's good. It's when you think Taylor of listen you had been a head coach in the G. League You've been assistant for four years. You've been a head coach for one year and head. Coaching experience head. Coaching experience. Like you get a lot thrown at you. What's the one thing at this level that until you're in the seat until you've done it now for pre season and sixty plus games that no one could really even in there with my buttonholes are for in Atlanta Milwaukee? What was the one or two things that you go but people couldn't prepare me for that or how much that takes the whether it's a challenge or how much time in my day that thing takes while I think a lot of it at the end of the day what it boils down to your voice as a coach. You know when you're an assist in you know even dating back like you talked about when I was in the daily You Find Your coaching voice. When you're running workouts in your leading scouts having dialogue and building relationships with other players and helping from the sidelines. But it's all on a servant assisting role but then when you had that head coaching experience which I did my last year. The Toro's you know you've taken all that stuff done before and now you're the final one to speak. You're the one that made the final decisions all the thought process that you have as a head coach ultimately. It's what are you going to speak? What are you gonNa tell the players in a film session? What are you gonNa tell them in a practice where you're gonNA tell them in a game timeout? Obviously I've been blessed to watch pop up close work with guys coach. Bud and Quin Snyder and Kenya. Ackson other coaches in the NBA. And get these bits and pieces from them and that helps you develop your coaching voice. And non until you're actually in that seat that people talk about and you're the one that has to make that final decision or make that play caller make that substitution or. Make that choice to you. Know jump on a player in a film session. Go after them and push the buttons. It's your voice. It's all the preparation you've done before which you do as an assistant you know. We're feeding head coaches as assistants every single day with ideas here and there to help the team. But you know I. It's not until you're in that seat that it's all that preparation before that gets to the point where now you're the one that has to make that call. You have to be the one that speaks up. It makes those decisions you talk about getting your coaching voice and remember something Steve Clifford. I think he said to me on a podcast and we were talking about when he was becoming head coach in college for the first time and he went and chase down. Jeff Van Gundy who was with Nixon about just getting some advice like a few things. You could tell me about being a head coach for the First Time. I think he was at Delphi in New York and one thing that Jeff told them then that always stayed with them is as a as a head coach. You've got to be really maybe economical in your words that if you're giving if you're talking all the time and you're giving direction all the time after a while. Maybe it's just that you've got to be focused on a few things that are important when you his thing was when you call a team in to huddle and practice that it better be really important. It can't just be play hard. Let's work let. What did you learn about how much volume you give the players of your voice in deciding what's important and what needs to have impact with them? Yeah I mean that's a that's a great thing you have to deal with as a head coach. Especially but that's why you gotta be relying on your assistant coaches you their an extension of your voice. They're working hand-in-hand with the players every single day in their own individual development. All the stuff we're doing in practice. I hopefully empower my staff to run a lot of drills so that you know what you just said as the head coach when you speak. It's impactful that you know you have to be very diligent with the amount of words. Not just the specific words and the point you're making about how much Attention SPANS YOU. WanNa get on big labor less is more? It's a good old populism But when you're speaking it's deliver specific message so they can get back to work And then I talk about my since all the time. They're the ones carrying that message that we're having our staff meetings all the time and when they go out and work with our players they can elaborate a little bit more about you know coaching his is talking about. Obviously you're running timeouts. You're running film sessions and there's an educational piece. Sometimes you have to know your audience at the end the day. Sometimes you have to speak a little bit more coaches always talk about. There's a feel to the game. There's a feel to how much needed talk how less you have to talk. That's been some the net. You kinda just observe as an assistant grown up you see pop. Do you see Budde do it. And when I talked about coaching voice ultimately you have to decide how much to use voice. And that's been fun you know. It's always knowing the pulse of your team individual players who needs more or less and that's a fun challenge every day as a coach. And that's one of those things that you talk about. What coaches deal with especially head coaches? That's on your mind all the time. About what messages you have to deliver to your team so that you're steering in the right direction. You're not polluting their mind with too much nonsense or too much overflow or you're keeping it simple thing out there and just play hard you talk about. It's not just play hard and compete and do this. You game specific things to work on so they can go out and just focus on the top line compete and play Heart Taylor when you sat down with your GM's at climate and front office and you get the job. And you're mapping out what this is going to look like this year and you've got a core guys are very young. You were GONNA play two rookies lot. Obviously John Moran who you knew you were going to hand the ball from day. One and Brandon Clark becomes an important player for you and Jaren Jackson his second year. Was there ever really any conversation about? Yeah we think we might have a team here that could be competing for the play. Offs like his. This exceeded any conversation. You guys had early about how you're GonNa Kinda grow the team and higher. We're GONNA to do this and then all of a sudden you find yourself one day you know. We're now in March and we're in. We're still in the playoffs. I think one of the great things about this situation now. I'm very blessed because I think Zack and I've been on the same patients. They won through the interview process. You know the amount of authenticity he gave in our interview about where we're at as an organization from ownership all the way through for an office. That coach being in alignment You know what our projection was going to be not just for this year but for the long term how we were going to build a roster how we were going to build for the playoffs and you know obviously we're in a great spot right now with you know twentyish games left eight seed you know with a few game lead. We just focus on. Let's just build the right habits? You know if we do that the right way and I think. That was the expectation that Zack had. You know there was no time line to win. We need to make the playoffs. There's just a culture of winning. You know we knew it was gonNA take time with a young group and a new group even getting some vets in here with these young guys. You were talking about is. Let's not put any pressure on by this time. I think there was obviously a patient's knowing that there's GonNa be some nurturing and growth that we're going to have to go through especially this first year lane is foundation but to be where we're at right now. There's an excitement that it's because we haven't been talking about the playoffs and saying well. The playoffs are going to be in your two or three or four. We'll wait there's an aggressiveness to just develop aggressive developed winning habits the fact that we we've got the ultimate fate in our young guys. Jhad Jaren Brandon Dillon and in the vet so we've surrounded them that a lot of them have playoff experience. People ask. Is this a surprise? And I'm saying we just been focused on just one day at a time and knowing that if the guy's invested in themselves and we've got that competitive group that we knew that we're building from day one that we could be in this position and the fact that we are thinking credits all the work that guys have been doing and hopefully this is just the start of something very bright for us in Memphis Tiller when you have a playmaking talent like John Moran who comes in the League still very young and you hand him the ball and his team. What's your responsibility to him and to the team with sort of you know balancing allowing him to be creative try things try and fail. Try and succeed but still do it within okay. Here's a way we WANNA play. What's that process like? Between head coach and number two overall pick that very well may be rookie of the year and print all star and all the things that may come for him down the line. I think like with any player for me. I think the number one thing is obviously. There's a plan in place you know. You've got to establish a culture yet. Stylish a system of play. You know you're you're talking about your quarterback with your team your point guard guy. That's going to go out there and feel your offense but not putting any hard caps on any player play to their strengths. We didn't talk about jar any guy on our roster and knowing you know from Zach and I talked and you know people would ask. Are We plan on Starting Him Day? One of my absolutely you know because we see the town. We see the competitive edge. We see the leadership that this kid already has at nineteen coming in the League turning twenty and then just saying I want to go out there and play full throttle. I want you to just go play basketball. Play to your strengths and guide him in the same light. Because what's unique about. A lavar guys is super coach until Super. Humble wants to be great knows what he's capable of doing but realizes he's got to do it in a new team scope new teammates new system adjusting from college in the NBA and as a coach kind of walking hand in hand building a relationship and helping him understand. I want you to play to your strengths. I want to go out there and make the high flying plays. I want you to play at breakneck speed. And then we'll slowly show you how that fits in the team system. How teams regarding you where you can be successful and not just for yourself but for your teammates. So it's in alignment. They're running the same course. It's not putting a hard cap saint. Hey I know this is what you've done previously but is how you're going to do it now and I think for fortunate. I like to think that our system fits his game really well like to think he fits our system really well and that's all the homework that the front office does on. You know the players that we bring in the system but the ultimate faith knowing that this kid knowing that he knows what he can do but helping him also understand what he's even more capable of doing within this team frame that hopefully elevates his game and allows him discover under other layers for himself and first teammates. That's the great stage. He's at and just his rookie. Career is how he's making his teammates. Better he's always been unselfish point guard but just learning how this system is unfolding and evolving and how. His teammates are evolving as well. He's taken on that responsibility. So that's cool as a coach because you're helping him develop his own responsibility now himself is fine responsibly. And helping others to when you you and your staff get with him early. Whether it's first few practices pre-season are there moments. Early on like you can watch a Lotta tape and you see them in college and all those things but are there moments with a talent like that and how explosive and just unique is were. You guys would find yourself. Just kind of looking at each other going like is he may be as good as we think. He is here absolutely vivid memories of thinking back to the first couple of practices of Training Camp. Because we hadn't gotten to seen him because he was coming off a knee surgery from the summer. And obviously he plays like you said the athleticism the speed of play his ability to read the game was unbelievable first time playing with the NBA players his competitive fire and just the amount of plays that he was making it. A high level driving in finish and a high level driving in and kicking out to a guy that probably wasn't expecting the past because of their first time playing together just as ability to read the game and make the right play so quick at NBA speed and then to do that early on in the season. Now we're at a point in the season where teams are. You know. We've got a couple of guys you know hurt you know and more honest is going to be on taken Jau away. You know taking away the paint where we've been thriving all season long and now he's able to adapt but like you just asked. I mean from the very Geico you see the high flying dunks and his teammates sent him up for lobs but his ability to be so creative just by playing and obviously early on when you get new players program. We just want to evaluate them. You WANNA see how they fit in you know what their strengths are without given the limitations or true guidelines on how you play I mean there were so many moments in that preseason. 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Tell me about that first year as an intern who you were working with what they had you doing so it was actually a summer internship between my junior and senior year. So like you said my grandmother knew Peter Holt on the spurs and I was fortunate to be on the phone with him and he said well. What do you want to do? It said I'd love to shadow with the GM. And what better way than to work with you know best. Gm all-sports Buford and did that for three months was working. At that time Saint Prestige was still there. Rob Hennigan was there. Dem's was there was always there. I was doing everything cutting up films. Sending meetings take in handwritten notes before laptops. Were allowed in meetings having to go transcribe that back on the computer dubbed Tapes Deck Deck. Vcr's run guys from the airport for draft workouts. Doing whatever you know. I'm just absorbing and learning. Go back my senior year. Come back you know work with the same group. Samad moved on to become a GM but was really focusing on. Just cut up a lot of film you know for our draft prospects trade targets. Whatever they needed for the draft room but that allowed me to have exposures so many different areas that was in the video room so much being around the practices of being all the front office meetings for all the trade dealings are everything they had just bought the Myrlie team. So all the first year Steph Sarah. Making a builder Minor League program so I was doing all kinds of stuff. Just kind of absorbing all the information that I could you know that was my mentality going is. This was kind of like an opportunity to take my passion for basketball my passion for business and went to business school. What am I going to do with that degree and let me just absorb and learn as much in the great access of the Spurs RC? Gave me was second on and then I flip over to coaching. So did you imagine at that time that there was anyone that organization who looked at Taylor Jenkins and said that's a future coach with us. No I don't think so. Hopefully I was. Kinda just setting a path where they were just like. This guy loves basketball. He's a hard worker. He wants to learn he wants to grow. And he's going to be in this business in some capacity. You know that that was hopefully that kind of pathway reputation. I was building but the coaching side. It was definitely a little bit of a shock when I finally said you know what I'm ready to coach told me that so as I was told it was summer league beginning of Free Agency and essentially. Will you tell me you were working up? Maybe working up your courage to go tell was it. Rcb Dennis Lindsey. Yeah it's definitely set the scene of what you've been doing and what you're about to tell them you wanted. Yeah I mean. I'll first off by his preface this by saying unbelievably grateful and thankful for the opportunity. To work with the Spurs leading up to that time on some really are had come to me. You know George. Felton longtime scout was trying to help me get connections in college to maybe be a director of basketball OPS. Rcn by the way George fell. And how many times have you been with George? Felton warhead is back. Somebody and they thought it was who pop pop he looks. I've been with very drubel yell popout to him. Yeah how he stands. Yeah go ahead you know. And then our C. You know obviously sports medicine you know so huge in this world now was potentially going to create a new position for me all along. They're all thinking for an officer and tried to help. Taylor get something you know a new position the front office stick around and deep down inside after watching all the practices seeing pop action. No one way back. When I was a junior in high school I wanted to coach at some point but maybe when I was fifty and get to build relationships with Quin Snyder. Going there and visiting him. I basically took courage and I went to Dell talked about my interest in maybe going into coaching. Talk to Quin Snyder and said hey love to just be a fly on the wall and Sawn Opportunity Roy Rogers had just left to go to the NBA said. Let us come in term. Do whatever you need me to do. I'm ready to take this leap and I go into our Seas Hotel Room Summer League and you know he says you know. What have you thought about this new position you're going to create for you on the sports medicine. Size said well you know. I've thought about it hard. I think I'd love to coach. Talked to Dell have talked to Quin Snyder and you know with your blessing to take this opportunity. And he kind of looked at music or are you crazy. Are you serious like where does this was from learfield that he had not anticipated this and but again so much gratitude? And thanks for them to have the in me to give me an opportunity. A kid that didn't play in college didn't work with the college team. Only at coach intercity kids. You Know Quin Snyder. To this day it was always like. Don't discredit working with ten to thirteen year olds. So that's a passion. That's a passionate for teaching and coaching and start. You know cut my teeth and getting my feet wet at the myrlie level. I tell people all the time. Don't ever forget about the minor leagues going in investing in Yourself. Investing in your craft love the game of basketball. I love to teach and this was the best avenue best pathway. The support the Spurs given. Toro's year in and year out learning under quin Snyder Brad Jones. Who's an assistant? My now was my leader for two years and the amount of stuff that I learned from. Those guys helped me prepare to head coach in the minor leagues but saw something in me. Although summers I spent training camps I spent the Spurs organization you know and then vote a conference with him to Atlanta. It's just one year after the other so you go into that hotel room or suite at summer. League Front Office is in the middle of Free Agency. That's ongoing like did you leave that room with okay. We're GONNA or did you leave that room going. You hear let me let me think about it. Definitely took him by surprise like you said the time he was not probably the the best to bring up my stuff when they had so many other big things that they were dealing with I was actually going on vacation. You know they were given US interns a couple of weeks off. I was going back to Dallas my hometown. I was doing the first Summer League Brian Powell in the NBA. He was taking a second shift. We were interns together. Go back home. I'm leery about to get on a flight to go to Europe for two weeks and Dell Actually Rob Hennigan calls me and says hey just want to give you a heads up. I'm being elevated. There might be an opportunity for you to take on a bigger role on the office side. I talked to Dell. He echoed the same thing that there was this opportunity. So they're all out in Vegas and I'm literally getting on a flight the next day and IDA quickly moment decide do I want to pursue this? Maybe potential opportunity which ultimately Brian on his his done. Great things on the Front Office side and said you know what I put all this time. These nights thinking about what ultimately do I wanted to coach and to know that I had the vote of confidence of Dell and Quinn and Dell had to go back to RC. While I was in Europe for two weeks and kind of fight for me you know so much credit to him gratitude. There I stuck it out said I WANNA do this. Coaching thing and come back from Europe and they said let's do it. Your Queen was ready and I became one of his assistance. And you know it kind of went from there the four you went into that hotel room. Did you practice you practice? How you're going to approach him with this or you. Just you just went in. I just Kinda went forward. I the only proper probably day was just read the moment and whenever our seagate me a window of opportunity to kindness say this is what. I've been thinking about ten things especially you're going from room to room going from his bedroom to the living room to the bar area to back in grabbing his cell phone all this and I'm like okay. I'm here to take notes and continue my current internship job and then when he turned around at one point said. Have you given any thought you know? Because I know you're going to have you given thought to this sports medicine role you know this organizer said actually have and that was my time not to tell them you know. Will you gotTa give me this job? This is why I want to do this job. This is where I want to pursue this coaching career. And hopefully I'd built up enough equity with them that you know. I was passionate about my work ethic and learning and growing giving whatever I could to the Spurs organization but I definitely had to find that minimum. We'll opportunity to to get my you know my pitch in their tail. You know it's funny people. There's like different. I Guess Jonah's of coaching backgrounds. And you know people are always talking about the college coach to the NBA. And how that's worked in different scenarios but now there's a generation of G. League when you started D. League G. League guys who had Assistant Coaching Experience and then head coaching experience. Who Come in and look at the group from Quin Snyder. Nick Nurse Yourself. There's others I remember nick and I think maybe you sense this when you have injuries and guys around the One thing about coaching and the minor league level anywhere. You're rosters constantly shuffling right. You can't day to day. You can't count on. Who's going to get called up? Who's going to get assigned WHO's going to get bought out. Who's under center overseas? Oh Yeah is there when you think now when now when you've had a play without Jackson and play without Clark and you have a trade or guys come and go was their value in that G. League head. Coaching experience based on that one hundred percent. I think you know when I think back to my days air one of the greatest learning opportunities for me was. You can't really prepare for it. But it's easier to prepare for the unknown. Your roster is constantly changing the flights your take in the gym availability. The resources aren't what you have at the NBA. Or Top d one colleges. It's new for not just coaches but for the players is prepare for the unknown. And I think that just kind of gives you a mental fortitude to just be able to whatever gets thrown your way as an now obviously as a head coach. You'll be able to solve the problem. You'll be able to figure out how to handle something in that moment That you're prepared to handle anything that gets on your way so you know obviously so much. Rosser turnover can be the best team for a stretch of the season. And you can flip to the worst team because you just never know what's going to happen but are you going to let that impact your work ethic every day. Are you GonNa let that impact your decision making? You're going to say well we'll just kind of roll with it. We'll just figure it out day to day moment by moment on overtime you get enough experience. You do have a preparation. You do know how to handle when something gets thrown at you that. You're not going to overreact or you lose your mind about or say. I don't know how to solve this. I think there's a strengthen that there's a strengthen only having maybe three coaches where now in the NBA coaches in full performance staffs and all the support staff. But I think there's definitely something to learn from it just kind of gives you a confidence to handle anything that gets thrown your way even at the level where the pressures are more. The Games are more the resources or more but when any little thing might kind of throw. The put a trickle and pebble gets on and now big boulder. You still have a strength and be able to figure it out that two thousand eighteen nineteen season in Milwaukee you become known for something the stop us on the moment right. Yup I think every assistant coach on any staff since they changed the rule years ago after that. I guess it was after the Miami New York. I think that's what they changed. The rule where he came off while no the rule was relationships. I Phoenix right highly. I think of well think of playoff series right. There was the that Nick Miami series when Charlie Ward and that turned that series the Spurs Phoenix. And and so. You're doing this and your job is to obviously keep the guys from taking even that one step or half step or two steps onto the court. They'll pop you with a suspension. But you I guess I suppose it looked like you went to. It was an aggressive. Oh Yeah it was quick. It was aggressive. You spread as far whatever your whatever your stance defense. Yeah tell me about it and had you done that like other times it just no one saw because once they got caught on camera seemed to take out a life took a life owed so own and still to this day here about it and I'd done many times. I mean I did it back when I was in the D. League. It just was something you you knew about the rule you knew about the consequences you knew the about the importance of keeping in guys you know from crossing that line. Unfortunately you know there's a better way to say it got caught in the moment. It definitely went. Viral never gone viral. Never want to kind of go viral but there are worse things worse things that can happen but obviously is staff. You talk about it. You know where. There's a responsibility to as unfortunate. You know as Time's happen on the floor where there's emotions and escalations there's something you gotta protect your players from crossing that line jeopardizing of suspensions and fines and you just never know and that is happening moment. Where it wasn't anything that really truly got escalated. I definitely win. Aggressive with my defenses slide. It's the playoffs you just never know. I'm the guys had a good laugh sitting there smiling trying to look beyond me to see what's going on the cordon t done enough times where it was a laugh and they they knew it but obviously a faith in the guys that they weren't. GonNa Cross the line but as a coach. You always WANNA protect your players at all costs. And if I have to take a couple of gifts or gifts or memes or Viral videos. I'll do whatever possible to make sure we've got our full arsenal and we go to go to play. Tell when you work for around coach. Gregg Popovich Quin Snyder. Mike Booth Holzer. I mean you look at the assistant. Coaching staff you had in Atlanta some with me and you had a year of Kenny. Atkinson Quin Darvin Ham. Who is probably going to be a future head coach in the League? You will last Guy Milwaukee still with that team. There's a photo right every head coach. Are there like you take a million things and like you said you take a lot of things from a lot of people and then you incorporate them and it kind of makes your own unique style but when you think of those people pop bud Quin Snyder? Is there like almost every day like one thing that each of those guys said are focused on the go boy? That thing is with me every day. I know that's part of my routine whether it's something they said or how they did something. Do you find yourself as a head coach going. Okay I know where I got that from what I'm doing. I'm an absolutely you definitely have these moments when you wake up or as I'm assessing a gym or assessing a room. You know always head coach. You're trying to get the pulse of the team or the pulse of an individual. I have their voices in my head I have. It may not even be something they spoke. It's just me observing how they handled situations and the one that I always come back to. Is You invest in people. You invest in the relationship. You show them that you care. Obviously three coaches that are passionate about basketball. Brilliant minds they know how to communicate the game. They know how to lead. But it's how are you going to handle interaction with a player? How are you going to handle an interaction with a staff member? And that's the thing that always comes in my head when in in a room in a gym is I gotta go talk to this player. I've got to make sure that they know that I care about them. That I've been thinking about them that I have a plan for them that I'm going to listen to them. I'm GonNa hear them out as well and that stuff that pop quinn but do extremely high level and it's obviously relationships with the players but it's also with their fellow staff. The amount of time spent with my coaching staff. I spend with a performance staff that it's all about the relationship and shown that I care that I want to hear them out that I have a message for them but I want to hear their message so that we ultimately get to go where we want to go as a team as an organization. But that's the thing. That's that little home coach on my shoulder to coach voice in my ear. It's always driven. You know one of the great things that Quinn told me one day. When I was first year. Coaching says we're all servants in this business players. League. We're blessed to be able to work with best athletes less players towns in the world. But there are people as well how you invest in the person how you GonNa help them be the best player person possible is. You'RE GONNA show him that you care. Pop does that at the most extreme level and then spending six years with coach. Bud Dain Day out. It wasn't just what he did with the players. What he did with his coaches how he empowered myself. Quinn Kenny Darmon. Ben Saint Charles Josh Van. All these guys that I've worked with. He empowers them. He cares in them to be the best coaches possible because ultimately it's about making the team the best but every single day that's what he put so much into was making the best coaches and that's obviously why. I'm sitting here today as head coach. Do People underestimate anymore? The coaches who have success in survive. And you talk about like those relationships but it is truly like a collaboration. The coach like the all. Like you have your authority and in any good organization like they've got a Li- like the locker rooms yours and you have to. There isn't always a lot of like maybe management owner Schmidt ownership treading in there. But if you can't work with ownership and if you can't build those relationships with players it's a different age the way organizations are set up in the way the players have evolved that the dictatorship or the. You're going to do it because I told you to to. Above you below. It feels like you cannot survive in this league that way anymore. You absolutely have to have synergy on all fronts. That's why I am in a great spot with with our ownership. You Know Zach Nies relationship. You know all of our players. It's it's a daily process of showing that we're all on the same page. Are we all going to agree? I are we all going to be passionate certain directions that may not be aligned shirt. So let's find that because at the end of day that's where we're only gonNA be at our best so it's been great. Having you know the dialogue with you know all Memphis ownership you know Robert Zach having extended relationships with the rest of the front office as well. The relationships that Zach has with our players. You know it's not this. Everyone's on their own world department. Says I mean this is a fast moving game? This is fast-moving business. There's things coming at US left and right multitude of games roster decisions to make three sixty five gig but you gotTa have constant dialogue constant conversation. So it's I don't know if I will go up the far saints underestimated but it's got to be at the core supremely successful. The amount of influence players have this day and age. You know the relationship between ownership and players. You know that needs to be a direct relationship. It's not owners to front office. The coaches the players. It's all four having their one on one interactions and direct lines of communication. That's what I've seen with the spurs with hawks with a box when I'm living day in day now in Memphis and I see it makes an ultimate difference the players at the end. They have to feel the alignment the synergy and I have a big role in that. Obviously in that locker room in that on that plane in that time out but the day in and day out so much other things go on besides what happens in a forty eight minute game or an to our practice and I think that that that goes unnoticed sometimes and the fact that you can buy into that and believe in live. It makes a huge difference in the success. Taylor thanks thanks for jumping and thanks thanks to join the PODCAST. Thank you hopefully look for having many more with you as well absolutely. Hey guys tired of that too thirty feeling while you're not alone. In fact research shows that more than seventy percent of US hit the wall after lunch. 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Like what time did you guys get in here last night Probably like one closer to very late. You Guys Jaren Jar. Like how much do you guys my sense? Is You guys? Do everything together home on the road. What what. What's what's it like having a guy who you connect with right away who you see there. You know you're building an organization. They're building an organization around. And like you just intertwined and the way you guys all right now I mean you know it makes it easier on the basketball court just because you know all chemistry's chemistry but At the end of the day I think it's just it's unique. Sr Ganic I think were closed group overall and we all seem to get along. Usually just 'cause usually because we're all young but I will say That it just Kinda just happened you some. You really can't can't put a finger on specifically why but it's good. What did you know about this Guy John when you get drafted by Memphis? You know. You'RE COMING MEMPHIS IT number two. What did you know about? Jaren Jackson started watching Fan. We kinda talk after the lottery. You know trying to get to know each other after I got drafted. It just went to another level again like no laughing joking all that time visual learning each other just carried over to the floor. What's it been like being without this guy on the court here? The last few weeks plane without it's been tough you know Not Too many guys can do he do on the floor He does a lot for us. spreads the flow out Protect a pain dominating. The paint was just a lot of things that you can't just add up to but she just got God and just compete each and every Jaren when you get drafted fourth and COME TO MEMPHIS. Last year you probably could sense. You're at the end of one era. Conley Marcus Saul and the team was going to cycle into. What would be the next Thera? Wha- what was it like early on last year with playing with Conley plane with the assault and then seeing the thing start to break apart over time and knowing. Hey I'm going to be kind of front and center on this rebuild here now when when the front office starts making moves you usually get wind of you know things are going to start changing Mike and Marken. Everybody did a great job of leading in doing but they did for so many years that they kind of put the team in a great position. Where me and Dylan at the time. Who were there can make an impact going forward and we know how to carry ourselves handle ourselves and then we add him it. Just it makes everything easy so it was quick though because last year it was a completely different team has come. It's now completely whole thing now. How much do you guys hear about like Memphis is used to have like a partnership right? It was Marcus Hall and my colleague for a very long time. They accomplished a lot got to the playoffs. Every year advanced in the playoffs. When you listen to the fan base or you listen in that community and even maybe around the building in the organization about sort of standard those guys set like professionalism and how they went about their business. Do you still feel it around the organization a little bit. Did you hear about it? A Lot. I mean. Of course you hear it a lot. Those guys meant a lot to Memphis But I mean we're a new team like you said So we just go out and just try to us and instead of liberal somebody else life You know just go out and compete. Just play together. Shot to get wins. This was you know how it goes when you have first year. Second Year guys. You're supposed to be in the lottery. You're supposed to take your bumps over few years and then maybe two years from now you compete to get the eighth spot is a seven spot in the West and here you guys are holding down the eighth spot. You've done it with injuries with guys out with some teams on your tail within your group. Was there much conversation earlier about. Maybe we're a little bit better than people think and maybe we shouldn't be putting any limits on what we can do. It is not easy to make the playoffs in the West. You guys know what you go through every night. But what was the conversation among the group about that? Maybe this would be better quicker than than anyone else imagined. We was looking to the future. We always focused on. The president thanked the first message. We sent out to each other worse. We try to be good now. So we'll doing that. We could Practicing hard you know just trying to get better each and every day Just trying to continue to learn grow. We got a young team we had some vets. We got some young coaches. So does everybody know just bought into what we have to do. Learning everything and then once we got clicking. We just went on a row. Now I think from from the start. We knew our building what we're capable of. But like you said you know. Stay in the president's key I think when you stay in the present and do just your habits. Every day everything works out the way it should if you just put in the work and you know that's what we did and we've always been confident in income from anything and income from Windsor. We just were GONNA have the confidence regardless to go out there and play because we're doing what we love at the end of the day doesn't doesn't matter for winning or losing. Brennan do the same thing. Yeah Jaren you've seen Gye. He's had two plays this year that I think John has gotten more like made more. Highlights gotten more attention for to miss dunks right than anybody gets on made ones the. Kevin Love One earlier this season and then Anthony Davis the one the other night like. Are you guys waiting for him? Like one of these days. He's one of those is going to go down against one of these guys right like like you get a little closer on those. When he's put trying to put one down on seven foot all star guy in this league. Are we getting closer to seeing it? I mean you've already seen it as well and there's a lot a lot of crazy he's missed. But there's a lot of crazy nineties made and you're gonNA see a probably a lot of both for a many years but he's got to remember that at the end of the day that's that's not all to his game You know those dunks are crazy but you know the other parts of his game. The fact that he's able to read the flooring has like he is the reason why we're getting wins. And that's pretty much all I care about at this point. Do you fear for his safety? And he's he's ten feet up in the air flying. He's it's a hard landing on those zero party like all right. Don't get hurt doing these. Maybe maybe on a couple of hours but I you know body control. He has good body control. So you know we work on. We work on stuff like that Landings and jumping and stuff to make sure that doesn't happen so yeah I'm not. I'm not worried about do in that moment. What is how in your mind. Are you calculating? Sort of the risk reward of one down on somebody about because you get caught up in the air you get hit or is it just instinct. You just see the rim and just go just go always address of my mindset was just finished play Honestly don't care who's under the go Stood I say my set. So the one. The other night was a moment. You thought I got this one. I've got this one just caught the back door and we're just going to finish They ended up quality to charge. But I mean I just wasn't able to get our before I wasn't able to get up for They call it Scotts turf builder. Thicker Lawn has announced. They have obtained the solution to getting a thick lush green lawn in exchange for all of your hard work a pretty sweet deal for both sides. 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How do you figure that even with that attention? At that time people still had what you might be able to be in college or beyond. I don't know I'm not saying therefore China you know do whatever I had to Me My main focus was the winning games. I mean. Obviously if you get to the championship more coaches but nobody recognizes me. So wasn't much I could do after that. What was their time in that period? Job where you wondered am I. Am I ever GonNa get recruited or visit? Is You always feel as a matter of time? Yes definitely questioned myself a lot I mean my parents. They all talk to me throughout the whole process and they didn't allow me to quit and I allow myself to quit so I was just trying to do whatever I could to get better. And try to find some recognition. From somewhere jared how much you think your backgrounds and you look at like. Tandems in the NBA. And sometimes you see guys with very different paths to the NBA backgrounds family history. You know you come up with. You've got a name that everybody recognizes because you dad plays George Johnny plays in the NBA. When they hear Jaren Jackson Junior they know that name you've got size and the skill is an interesting when you think of like you look at jobs path your path. You recruited by everybody. You go to Michigan State. Wanted Don play for Tom Izzo? How does that Complement Each Other? Sort of like the perspectives. You guys come at this from. Oh well you know. All paths are going to be different. The ghost says the same. And I think you know in John's case we we can relate on a lot of things because we were both. We both have strong families that give us a lot of support and we lean on them for a lot and they've been with us through the whole thing and just coming from different different things. You can have a lot of different stories and a lot of different. You know Moments of advice you can give each other from your pastor anything like that but I think I think that the goal stays the same We've we've played it every level and we know the INS and outs of the game and you know at this point. We're still what our families still still doing. The same things consistent and now plan together is easy. It feels like especially the last couple of years with new leadership in Memphis and the front office organization that it's got to feel a little bit that they're building a program and they're trying to build a program. And you've got a lot of young as you guys brandon. Clark Dillon Brooks still young player. Does it feel to you a little bit like even though you're only at Michigan State for a year? I know you really loved the program and Tommaso and the feeling you got around something that had roots and like hat's continuity to does it. Do the grizzlies right now. Feel a little bit like like extended college program based on the age and and and how you guys are building this thing as a funny way of putting it. I think it's just ironic that we're all young at the same time all sometimes that just happens in the NBA. Where you just have a team for young guys but I think we're taking advantage of it. I think it allows us to play fast. It allows us to relate to each other We all have the same goals and I think when you're young you're just you're just a little more hungry so we've been hungry from the jump in that that all that has carried us no to this point in the season should carry. Us beyond as well. What do you think job about? Sort of like what? Your role is in building out. Sort of like what the identity of the team is going to be the organization. The day to day work habits. You know guys are going to follow you to the way you work the way you commit. It sets the tone for everybody else. How much do you think about that each day? A lot of you know Kinda starts with me at the point guard position Bringing the ball up before or I'm garden God bringing the ball up the floor so my energy determines how we start out so a lot of the slow starts or games. We lost because of the plan. Slow I put that on me because that's my job to dictate the pace Sergei. I mean I just shot you know. Be Better be vocal and you know. Just show guys that when we talk. We either compete in that. Most of the time everything works out. So what is it like to go through sort of the Gauntlet of point guards in this league almost every night wherever you are in the NBA? I don't think there's ever been a better. I don't think there's ever been an ear where there's more great point guards and lots of different styles. What's that like to learn to go against almost any city? You go to right now. There's a leak guards that teams are built around. What's that like as a rookie experiencing that night and and the way it tests you. I mean it's crazy. What is what I'm here for? I came here to play against the best and showed acts and go out and compete with the best so I really don't mind it. I actually look forward to challenges like that and Each and every night. I just go out to try to prove myself a couple of years ago when there was that Ben Simmons Donovan Mitchell battle for rookie of the year Obviously bedhead set out the first year and people were debating. Whether should you really be considered a rookie? Blake Griffin had won it after sitting out a year like there was some history behind that too. But you I'm sure you hear it now like Zion's obviously played really well. He's played far fewer games than you but to me. It's kind of funny that they're not going to get you guys into that kind of pissing war like your history relationship with them. I can already see like no one's wrong you too into that kind of competition with each other like can you feel people trying to pull. You would pull you into that. They want before we even got drafted. Were they were trying to do you. Know we both get act A lot of questions about each other just for for them to hope we slip up and say some bad will happen when you build a relationship with a guy. He played with a guy. I'll come from. Almost the same thing is no way to happen. We were there moments so when you think of like there are not a ton of players from South Carolina in the NBA. There's some it's got a history but we're not used to seeing it every year. Was it draft night or was there a moment where it did hit you though of like two guys from pretty much similar area played on the same travel team going one two in the NBA? Drafter said Okay. Like wow like it is pretty amazing. Amou- and I mean he got picked and then I got paid nash crazy like I can't say I would have thought that happened. You know the same year wrap behind each other but we both had the talent you know make it to the NBA. So what was your shot to do whatever we could you know achieved during Jan having grown up in a basketball family? Your Dad played. You've been around it. You look around the League guys whose dads played in the League. There's this whether it's Klay Thompson Steph Curry. You online of always sense like because they've been around the locker. I'm even like Donovan Mitchell. Whose Dad was in baseball but he had been around a major league. Clubhouse that there's an advantage to having been around maybe. Your eyes aren't as wide when you come in that you're used to whether it's like you weren't necessarily in a locker room with your dad like some guys were based on age and all that stuff but having been around. Nba guys when your kid because your father is friends with whatever it is that there's an advantage once you get to the League in terms of. Maybe it doesn't seem as big to you is it might others. Of course I think the advantages comes by the fact that my dad's around and he's able to tell me stories about when he was playing so I can relate it to my situation now both situations very different but in a lot of ways he's been telling me my whole life about things in the NBA. And I can relate a lot of a lot of the things that happen this whole time in for years. I've been able to do that so I think just and just being around Nba People and staff and little things. Like that I think just over time helped me get comfortable with this. What I'm doing now quicker but there's definitely a lot of things that I just had to figure out on my own. I wouldn't say you can't get you can get all the answers from him but it it definitely helps growing up. Did you hear more stories about the NBA or about Hoya Paranoia? Georgetown days shoot. I think it's probably both there. Were so many things especially being with coach Thomson and playing with degrades and they had a great team so My Dad was again to determine you know to Kim as his team playing with Alonzo and then in the lease playing with you know. Tim Duncan and David Robinson those guys I since I was younger I've talked to in looked up to and they've given me advice in a lot of retired players. I know have given me advice. Because they they've known my dad for so long and it all that you'll hear about from my dad for sure. What's the biggest thing guys that you when you talk about like trying to do? Maybe more than what's expected out of really young players in the league. Let me trying to make the playoffs and the West is really hard. Like what the two thing or a couple of things that you to you WANNA make sure the rest of your group understands like you're leading this team at a young age that we're doesn't get off track like what are. Is there any one or two things you guys preach to the bigger group about like what you want this thing to be about? competed and never being satisfied. I mean we in the air possession but I don't mean we're GONNA make the playoffs game so just niane comfortable. Continue to do what we've been doing Continue to try to get better are from bag games in God and when you're trying to push how important is it for you guys to be in the playoffs. This year amid is that does that have great value to you to be able to break through and do it quickly definitely. I mean we knew we could do. We knew we had the talent you know. Go on about and go out there and translate and everything. We've been trying to do what when we play against somebody else. Not each other trying to get better me. A locked in on the game plan like more people are surprised. But I mean we're not you know we're we're confident in ourselves and we know capable of what about your journey from from the beginning. It was something that we didn't have to talk about because we already knew that that that was everybody's goal and the where who put in Dan Day out talking with coach and understanding that it doesn't come over night and being able to take positives and negatives from wins and losses as been used. We've been able to. I think. Learn a lot from losing game so we don't make the same mistakes or and like when we're at home for a while we were able to put together a lot of games in a row because of that we were able to lock him. We're able to play together defensively and I think our communication has been the Akita's in outdoor. We've been doing now like I say you'll enduring you'll on your social media. Sometimes you'll like talk about grit and Grind City Grit and grind your team's not. I think it's more maybe a mentality of Memphis Grizzlies basketball than it was a style of play. They played slow. It was like to me. It was like the Grizz were a little bit. Like when Ghazal and Tony Allen and Conley it was like a NFL team. That ran the ball. They ran the ball like they weren't playing fast. They killed you and a half court. You guys are just the opposite. You're flying. You're up and down the court but like you still hear grit and grind around Memphis is that now maybe just more. It's a mentality that you think like people in that city have about. Maybe the way you compete like the persistence of a team. Like you hear that still that theme around that city when it comes to to Grizz definitely My mentality of some net. You KNOW EVERYBODY GOES BY IN MEMPHIS BUT FOR US. I mean we said we're neighbors Jane. We're not we're not those guys who played in the past so um we definitely play a different style. We try to get out and run but that grit and grime mindset is still there of course. Nexgen is what we are Grind is a mindset. Is something pave the way for a long time and gave the city a lot of life and a lot of joy and from there we take it and we make next Jan? We make it our own and we go out there and have fun. We go out there and put on a show. And get get wins. Jaren Jackson John ranked guys thanks. Thanks for jumping. Joined the appreciate thank you. Of course thank you. Thanks for listening to this episode of the world's Pot a big. Thank you to my guests today. Memphis Grizzlies Stars. John Moran and Jaren Jackson Junior and Memphis coach. Taylor Jenkins be sure to listen to new and archived episodes of the pod. Wherever you listen to your podcasts. We'll catch you next time

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Joe Ingles

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Joe Ingles

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In rainy, Los Angeles with Utah Jazz forward. Joe ingles. Stay with us. Here in rainy LA with Joe Ingles. Joe? Nice bus ride over here. It will has actually fell asleep. It was cut logging. Beckon us was dock in code, and I obviously a late night last night with we had a game. And then I had an early morning this morning at six o'clock wake up to type my son to get he's allergy testing, redone for he hadn't lost you and he's allergic to pay not. So we had the retests this year, and he's still allergic to peanuts. So there's no I had a big game last night. Hit a big shot. I'm getting a reprieve on that six AM. It's not happening. I wanted wanted. I know you did a very active with my children. So my wife, and I actually did sleep in and get up at whatever time we got practice before we, but it was cool. I love doing that kind of stuff, and it makes me feel more normal. So we had rain in for four days straight in LA. I think right in through your game on Wednesday might clear up Thursday. So you'll you'll misison pervy. Then we go back to Salt Lake because. The Chuck Taylors. You've got your low. Cub black Chuck's. I assumed you get them part of your Nike deal. But you that idea like going on the website and just because like what you guys do. Right is. If you want shoes, you just go in you, log in you get what you want. But that's too much work for you. So you just go. He's basically the same as naughty dot com. And so we have a poss- would allowance basically and you click home whatever you want to click on come see doorstep. They don't have trucks on that. Otherwise, I would get them all off there. But I've got a friend at Nordstrom insult like that knows what I wear and I only really wear I think I waited Jesuits and Blackhawks every I am. So I'm not going to be on that whoever tweet set Silia NBA, dress code or whatever it is and Instagram. I'm not gonna but he sends me like ten -pez, and I'll just kind of go through whatever price, and then our takes him inside. I need to go. And he sends me on the. Ten biggest mistake. I maybe ever made was well, maybe among the biggest was like all through childhood teenage years, probably might twenty s low cut shucks, we're like fourteen ninety nine and then they got and then all of a sudden, they became trendy money, and they're like fifty sixty in and a high tops are. And I'm like hundred bucks in Australia. It's unbelievable. And like, you could have just filled your garage with them and then sold them. Right. But you never thought they were gonna go like, that's what you use the mole your lawn. You muse those two more your long because you. Breasting system pretty big events in his. Vallone vein. So these ones are bit bathe up, I'm a very basic jazz sweats, and and Chuck's Chuck's from nordstrom's Norstrom yet is that the rash with with. Is that the rack to of like where it's like all the size twelve thirteen sees? All right off the walks. And see if someone's charge them on and the how they've Leist up and CompuServe the boat. I would plan them if I could I think it was Kelly Oubre so with compass. Yeah, I'm very happy with no, he wouldn't mind. A little Columbus off coal, you probably just violated your deal by even saying that probably now a high a high, but it's Nike commerce's Nike. So it does you can say it, it's fine. So like you wake up today and all the websites. Rachel Nickell showed the jump. I look up and there's a banner, and then there's like Pippen and McGrady talking about is Joe Ingles. The best trash talker in basketball. I think so I think it's a bit. I think you're the most improbable trash, right? That's really what it is. Maybe that. I definitely it's funny that it's even I guess becomes something. Because I someone said I think it was it was tonight on the fine. It's been a long day today on the plane, George and Yang was sitting opposite me, and we were doing something came up. And he said the funniest part is that I'm very good at being out talked to people and and kind of get people off the game. But for me, it doesn't effect. I can play the same way and talk to everyone in the arena. Coach other team other plies where it does make me laugh like you my head a little bit when it's happening but some guys get skits. So, but and this and then the rest of the guy in this worried about me or hitting me trying to push me trying to scream me that that ends up being an advantage for us. I don't go into a game. Tonight. We're flying who clippers tomorrow, right? I'm going to go to buffalo, blah and say this or like you should try Patrick Beverley now. No, probably no Patrick. Richard is part of it. You think that it gets guys going because they just say a I'm not taking that off him. And then be he said it, and then he went and made a play or made a shot, and he backed it up, and now maybe more pissed because if you weren't playing well, if you weren't making plays it probably doing like sitting on the bench, and yeah, you know, getting on at all or getting some yeoman's definitely not going to be obviously the fact that I'm on the coal a fair amount of the guy does put me in a lotta situations. I see a lot of things I get to be involved in a lot of things. I hear I hear a lot of things. I'm not always the first one to start start talking do hear a law, and I I've always going to have my teammates backs and last night with the blowing of the kiss to. I think ended up being like is fan. They said, but Detroit he was cheating for Detroit and the game. It's hurt. Yeah. You're like is on during the during Al game which was Detroit verses which is just bizarre. He the loss. I think it was majority lost quota was talking. Donovan don't miss a couple of shots. Missed a few free throws whatever it was. And by hey, kinda started Donovan, and then it just happened that the lost possession. Always literally like, maybe you away. And it was and it was just. Things just happen. I guess escalated into a kiss. It looked pretty good. I haven't it was very it looked. It was very it. Looks like he wants. You practice it. I do. My my daughter plays me kisses on face homes. So there's been some. Yeah. It's not so. But you, you know, I think people saw the Blake the camera caught year the the liberators of the world caught you call him a flopper apparently float on them that is huge bikes. Like, I don't even know what he's to sixty whatever six ten. To twenty and he's like fun and go muscles pumping out of every part of his body. And there's no way I'm gonna make it full of that. Was there a point in your NBA career where like you felt you had secure enough footing where you said, I can say something or does it just naturally come up? Like was point. You said I've done enough. Like, I'm a player. I'm going to be here. I'm not going to hesitate to say something or did. You just always say stuff. Yeah. I think I've always told on coal and off court. It's not something that is is tough for me. I guess I can hold a conversation with anyone can talk to anyone. I can have a joke with anyone. But I definitely like I if you went back in my first couple of years playing I definitely wouldn't have been blowing kisses to because I think I fish too. And it's not. And it's definitely not definitely I think. I saw my deal or the the playoff runs. We've had or whatever it was. I haven't been sitting. Now, I feel like I can say something it just you just kind of get in the flow of the game in every game is different. Especially for me. Every game is different and some games on doing something some games, I'm doing something completely different guiding someone not guarding. So he's always been so different from me and just get kind of caught up in the heat of the game. And that's why I think still think like the whole Paul. Joyce thing is hilarious to me because it's there's no alike game one we're playing on to get under his skin. They're like just kind of happened throughout the series at a few things happened. Hop of your shit talking game though. And then like you elevate it it I think I think it just got like the first game a couple of things happened second game. And obviously, you can tell when someone starting to get a little frustrated and. Of see when applying team once and not saying him for two months. We're planning these laws potentially seven times in ten days two weeks. Whatever it is. But it's still like I still find funny because it wasn't anything plan just kind of like as it built off. And then obviously you hear things, and I was getting osteo in in my media availabilities, and it was just like you became this like. Why like why more blown out of proportion than I ever thought may Pyan MBA would even ever get like it just in size off onto funny. You said the sort of like your ability to talk to everybody, which you can like I see you've talked to fans, I know you walk through the jazz facility. You're talking to everybody like, you know, like always been that guy. Yeah. I think are just and it's not like I want to be treated the same wise. Autry, like, he's just I just I mean, kind of like in general, you see someone? I'll I wouldn't really wouldn't really talk to. Like games in Suffolk different fans, especially guy they cheering for you. They call you. And I'm wouldn't walk down the street and dislike say out of the random God walking. Balmy. But everyone in affability when I try and walk possible Wolpe someone I try and say Hello. Oh, michael. I'll give them away of something. I think just being general like just a bit of courtesy. But nothing. I guess I'll have more than would have probably thought I think over the last like five ten years when you grow bit. And you. Have some life experiences and you just assist? I guess this isn't to me really is part of it too. You never expected this you dreamed that you dreamed of having career here that you sort of treat every day. Like, I'm gonna have fun with this today. He's still sometimes feel like you're it's found money for you. Right. Yeah. I still to this day. And obviously, I feel very comfortable in the NBA with the jazz Phil Sifi fill all of these things with the organization, but still like I'm walking into like, I think the best facility in practice facility in the league everyday. And I was walking into like a old hostel or whatever it was in Europe that we would try to bring him iron Bagger gear washing it higher like, it's just we're very lucky of you. But just I didn't think and after getting cut by the clippers and all that story. I just didn't think I would have another chance. So I do. I do enjoy all I love what I do. And as much as I am comfortable, and I know him I roll with my team and the organization. Still very thankful and I walked walking every day like that. And that's why I have like you said I'll have fun on the call. I have with my team-mates off the court. I think most of the guys who now organization would say try and make most of events or just try and make it like you said, I I didn't know if I'd be here year old off the year or now going on five six years. 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Your opponents starting to treat you differently because I'm sure when you first showed up like you, you know, you don't look the part to people some people just you thought other good today. I know you look. Yeah. Yeah. But like, you know, like, maybe that part of it like, I think fancy, hey, that's me out there like that looks. They think that now they're not, but a very regular Twitter people everybody thinks they can beat you want like album Joe bust, your if you're at the community center. Bye. Like a nod. I look like like foot come like, let's just four twenty-five under yesterday. It snow by get what you're saying. Look, go receding head on them slow, and I'm probably not like the most jacked up with Avs and all that. But I'm still going to bait you wanna one let's be real. This is like you said, Dan, like Twitter's great because people Inci whatever they want, and they can feel like that be as hero that can just be a great fan or whatever. But like just settle down like it's ridiculous. When did you feel like the guys across the way from me in this league? Like, I I've earned respect in this league. I think any any really the tunnel. The last couple of years, I think my first couple years. I still remember, and I've told the story before about when I was on the coma fiscal us every time we would switch light one three one three full pick and rolls. It was a lot. That would look at me and like back off and be like kind of like wave the handy. Clear. Everyone. And I was like I'm going one on one. And it was literally like every possession. I was like this is it like it's Fava five play boss. Well, we're not like this isn't like I'm straight but one on one tournament. And that was a part of me like sitting down with coach q and just being like, what do I need to do to stay on the coal? And it was a defensively. Do it unable to do and help the team offensively and finding ways defensively the to control my man and stay in front of them. And all and I was able to do that. And then I think the last couple of years, I think and and I've noticed it more offense than defensively with. The first few days. I would get a ton of watt Ivan shots, I would get pick and roll that would go under every time, and it was like kind of difficult because when when teens keep going under it's hotter than you think. And. Last year. I didn't get as many open looks. I felt like someone was always really close to me. So I figured out like I would to penetrate more and people were going over on all my pecan roll. So it was like get down the line. Now, I've gotta work at how to finish in dual that. And then and this year even feel like it's been even more. I is being games with like, I've had someone touching me. Like, we do it with with the warriors the way we play them. And it's like. It's a no Stephan. These guys get frustrated because it's really annoying like, and is taking me us taking me, whatever we've played now forty seven guys to really kind of figure out how can still be effective offensively without having so much spice, and Tom and those teams this year they taught block me on every pick and roll. And every pin down whenever I'm in that one corner, they they sit right on me. And don't let me use roles. I think the last couple of years has been more. And it's made is obviously made me better too. Because I've had to to look different ways to get open be affective playing through the call. I it makes you of teller low to pay with this spec harm. It makes you respect those superstars that the amount of pressure in defensive pressure and stuff I get and they're still able to like what like what James Hodson? Does these guys scoring forty fifty points nights before I came here. I was like, well, yeah, he has a bowl, and he shoots thirty five shots, of course. But when you get in the physical, and the what teams do defensively, it's it's really impressive. So it's it's definitely opened my eyes to see how good some some towns. Applies abbott. But also different ways for me to get open and still be effective. Joe how much do you think about? How much circumstance impacted your career the success? You had when you think of the opportunity that came you got cut by the clippers and you get signed by the jazz. And when you came in the group, you're playing with coach you're playing for the organization all the factors that allowed you to get the opportunity and then take advantage, and then be given you sorta your earned more opportunity. And then you become a player who signs a contract, you know, four year fifty million plus that you would not have imagined. Probably I think you're I offer pro basketball was about tall thousand dollars when you were seventeen right to us twenty four. But do you think sometimes if I hit just Mark bartlestein called me and said, hey, we got an offer to go to I don't know name ten other teams, I could've just been out of the league easily. Yup. And I still. The year finished him, boss. Lana was a free agent. I had an offer from Memphis, and I still had a a two year with fishy guaranteed. I think the second you was a team option in mock was like not having to take action. And that was really under as didn't end up going. There was because of the team option thing, which if I had pushed him mole. Maybe they'd saw me to offer a one year. Like who knows what it could have been if I'd if I'd gone there that might have been my one up at union. I'm not like you said, I'm out of pike. Right. Who knows I might have played horrible and being back in Europe. And. A thing. Like a lot of credit does go to mock for that for trying to figure out the right? It's like the stall had to get me over here in the stall outplayed from my whole life is is very unique. I think and there wasn't thirty teams chasing off to me. There was real one. Really? I went to the clippers still think I should have made that team. Jarrod Cunningham is the player, right? They kept over yet. It was me and him. They only brought me in humans training camp. So it was mayo him. They chose him. Still think what I. Obviously it looks a bit silly. And now kind of thing I guess because the the why plying and the way I feel like I could have held that team. But I wasn't the player. I am today back then Avis. But again, it's it's all worked out on real, man. When I got the coal. From combat the jazz, did no q a little bit from being in Europe. And he he was in Jessica when I was in Boston. Lana. And in Muhiddin in mock said, I think knowing he had been there in understanding European boss and that different stall. I we thought it would be a really good fit in. Couldn't have asked for anything to us. What's the benefit for you to have a coach Quin Snyder? And it's funny Quinn was really interesting. I remember talking to him before he left. He took a big chance. He was with the Lakers. Yup. Right. He was with the Lakers and left at Messina was on the staff to and he went to be his assistant and Cesca in in Russia. And I remember the last thing Quinn said to me they sent me a text or Email like today was leaving sorta like, hey, don't forget about me. Meaning like, I don't want to just go disappear there, and he was joking. But it was a risk for him. But he was so determined to broaden his coaching experiences as mind to be really he got a college head coaching job at a really young age. He looks back and says, I don't know how prepared I was. But I'm going to be prepared when I become an MBA head coach. And he really does point to that time over there. What do you think it does for coach who goes here to their sort of opening his mind seeing the game differently? I think even plays think. Me and EPA Buddha talk about all the time. Like he wasn't. He didn't wanna ever go and play in front of wash. He wouldn't have grown heating grow up wanting to play for team into repick. Yeah. Yeah. It was we we were played some lake with actually before he didn't applying because he broke his hand. But we were on that same say when he first go drafted and. You don't even have a plan on especially Americans. I think more the American kids out they wanna play but for him. It was one of the best things. He did. He said he he goes to play. He kind of got his his rhythm. And Mojo back of who. If I was. Baylor and k back in. I think obviously we saw even he's being unreal. For us when he's had his Pechiney when Rudy and favors have been injured and. Thing that's the same as as as coachee. He knew he and it's funny because he does it with everything like he wants to learn about something. He's like. OCD I'm going gonna learn and I'm gonna know inside now like, and if I have to positivist omen ice the tests like this is unreal. And he he does it with all the plies gauze from different countries different. He comes in and talks about the history of other countries of like, it's it's unreal. And I think that's just who he is. But. He obviously thought him like you said he had the the college coach Yang the head job there. And he done so much. But I think coaching you're probably the only thing you had done. He probably figured especially with Massena who knew well. Why not go over there and and make himself even better? You get put in an uncomfortable situation, which we will allow the players do over that too. And you you have to figure it out. Otherwise, you probably won't end up back over here. And obviously he did he did what he had to do. He came back. I think he went to Atlanta off whatever. And then and then became thank you think of that staff down there. Mike boot and holes are with quit Snyder. Kenny Atkinson, those are really good staff team. You know, Kyle Korver, right? Yes. Yeah. Today's episode of the woods pod is brought to you by Tommy John. Listen up. Life is way too short to spend a single moment of it being uncomfortable. So when it comes to something you wear every day your underwear why settle for anything less than Tommy John. Tommy, John has the most comfortable men's and women's underwear on the planet. Keeping men neat nestled and women panty line free. Both their men's and women's underwear sport. A no wedgie guarantee. I wish I had to know what you guarantee growing up, but I'll get one with Tommy John, comfortable, stay put waistbands and a range of fabrics that are luxuriously soft and designed to move with you not against you. That means there's no bunching and no writing up. 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I don't know if there's any we think a comparible 's, but the jazz and a lot of ways it's an orthodox team like it's built differently and yet, but it works, right? Like us and to have a coach in Quinn who is an ex who has this vast mind and imagination and creativity and a front office. Dennis Lindsay, and it's been built differently. And obviously, I don't know how it was before. I got there but being coach came at the same time. So I saw basically the change from kind of the diet. He got there and what he was trying to do. And it wasn't going to be a not success. He told the plas- us to remember in in meetings that we would. Hey practice. So we will practicing like crazy the day before the guy the dial of the guy shoot arounds was so long, and it was not that we went trying to win every game. Those a process behind trying to get good habits and trying to be of see good individual plans. But then bringing it all together as a group, and like you said he's Moland to put every player that we've the five years I've been here every player that has been within out team has there are in kind of light little package of like, I've got my little package of of sets. And he he makes everyone feel so comfortable in whatever we're running because. It's kind of designate if you I'm going to be on whatever it is. If it's a bigger always gonna make sure I can come back to my left hand and people all want to go left, and and we still manage to figure out ways for me to get left. So I was just being something that he's he's he's about I've only probably recently cost it a couple of weeks. He's the best coach of had not only for me personally. But but just being around at team the confidence he gives gauze one through fifteen and the something I've never seen in in a coach. And I've had good coaches. Don't get me wrong of wouldn't ever bag one of my coaches because of liked all of them in different lives like for David Blatt with Kabi for a year. Say quince autos had I was just listening to some others. You've had. We'll have Brett Brown. Also as he's on TV in the background. He's he's also right up. He was one of the ones that really got me playing to where I thought I could actually help team instead of just being on a roster. So has the first time I ever saw you play was a weight Olympics, right? Yeah. I went Beijing Beijing. Yeah. But imply to my I'll play in the last guy got against the US and got a great which time fourth quarter. Then you eleven points for four from the field. CPA was talking to bunch of smack to me. I was like dude them daunting his own and haven't played while. I'm just happy to be out. Here you go. Which was funny because then I ended up being team kind of teammates with him a little bit lighter and still talk to him. Yeah. So he's one of the great chastise. Like, he's he's he's aggressive. He's on that. He's a Christian. But he definitely doesn't stop towing. La those few competitors. Like him that Olympic at that time to alway in the Olympics. And I remember still on the great things I've ever seen in sports. Was y'all Ming the first game against the US? He's literally dragging that leg up on the court shouldn't have been playing. I I did a pod with him a couple years ago, and we talked about that. And I mean, he had broken the hit one of his fractures. There's no way he should have been back at soon, but he felt such a I gotta care that flag into the stadium. It was his bird, and I've got to be out on the court and play especially in in China. He just felt like you had to and he I remember he hit like a top of the key or eighteen seventeen. Eighteen foot jumper right at the top. I don't they ever crowd, and it Merican players like USA players like appreciated what he was doing. And listen he made a lot of people a lot of money. He opened up the doors there, you don't want to sneaker deals, but but that Olympics was interesting because that was obviously Kobe was back. There you're on like, I think you would don't like it's changed. You played them since then I think there was some fear playing against them that was there in those games because of that team a hungry team. But by the time, you played them again, you guys are competing with them. And it was the last couple of is well a pot of that especially for our team speak for other national teams. But house is also the fact that in when we were in Beijing, we had bogut think it was only maybe petty just cracked them BI, Patty mills. Now, he was still at college in Beijing. I'm pretty sure I think we only had buggers NBA fly. Yeah. Maybe it was the Saint Mary's petty was Saint Mary still always playing m B O like we majority MB L plays a couple of Europeans and Bogan. Maybe someone else. When now we've got like if you look at team coming up. Now, we've got I non Tango is going to be playing in the I think for us a pot of that back in like, I'm twenty years old in Beijing. Hell you scared of the bra like I've never seen causing person before. Now. No that that obviously, it doesn't change the fact that we played against them daily now weekly and we get to challenge yourself against different players. And obviously a lot of the gods will end up playing and. You you you did teams you pay them in a playoff series individual. You have a good performance against you. You feel that confidence. And I think for us. We've got eight on ten MBA flies. It's like well. This is normal to us. Now, we're back then it was like it was so far in a pot from from maybe Bogo, whoever that was over here that now you go out there, and it's like, well, we do this eight months Rice's normal. And and I think for our team that's that's been huge for the confidence about team to just well, this is what we do. We feel that we can compete with them. It would be nice to get Ben Simmons the plan that team, right? Yeah. It'd be not we've yeah. Ben Dongtai hasn't really played giant a Boden. It'll be bit. Obviously Benza would be a huge inclusion if you if you disarm supply when you sign your extension Joe it was right before free agency early. I should say it was before. Gordon Hayward made his decision. Yep. And you and Gordon Sharon agent, and but you didn't know what he was going. Do you? Kept asking me, and I'm like, yours friend. You're asking me. I don't I don't know really trying to get any inside post one. But you did your extension and thought was, you know, you're hopeful he would stay and then you were going to build and Donovan Mitchell had just been drafted. I think everybody hoped he was going to be really good. I still don't think at that time. It'll be imagined. Like, what was gonna come? So quickly. When Gordon left at went to Boston. And there was a natural sort of like, and it was deflating and go because you you were about to make a case you, and I know the case that that is Lindsay and Quin we're trying to make to them in those meetings. Were we have the team we're going to be the team that eventually upends Golden State? We're not probably good enough this year next year. But we look at the age of our players, we think Donovan's, really really good. That's why we moved up to get him. And all that gets pulled away. And what was it like the beginning when you search like July, fourth July fifth, and you like, you know, it's not all gone. But it was this is what we thought was going to happen. Yeah. I think I think it was a bit of unknown because Quinn had already ever coached. Gordon as his his mango off for the threes, or whatever it was. So I think a lot of what was just kind of like a bit of unknown of what what do we what do we do? How like he was the gosh shooting twenty shows a game for us and was an old sire. And and all that. So for us. It was a little bit like way way. Do we where do we go? What are we what what say all identity? I guess, and I think frozen it was always defensively, but offensively was like this mango he was we were throwing the ball to him every possession. And I think what they did. They're able to bring Jonas Taba and pick up some paces, I guess that fitted out out team and the way we played and then go to practice, and it was. Well that time they'd kind of given the case to to hoodie. And who'd he was going to be go. I and and we've obviously got Donovan who who'd come in. And and hopefully make an impact for like you said what what they believed he could do. But was still unknown and then kind of like cliquey fingers and Donovan starting and we've tried Rodney and Donovan's started off kind of slide. You could see what he was was able to do on the coal and. By christmas. Whatever it was January. It was a lot with these kids have a superstar. He's going to he's going to be an all-star and whatever else he's going to do in the league. And then I think pretty early on click to lie, and we could see it in in a bid at preseason training camp. And obviously early on like these these kids he's going to be like he's and you had to convince him of that a little bit, right? There was a lot of. And he talks a lot about that about the veterans saying to him take the ball and go stop deferring to us. You're the guy yet. I think like as you would know there's not many teams rookies get the case, I games into the sale whatever it was early on into the season and think he's such a good, quiet. Humble kid that like. Bigger as not not like you open. Oh, you like will not like shoot the ball like someone has to take twenty shots. And that's you and we trust you. We believe in you. And it did take a thing him Tom to be whole like he he always talks. He wasn't even that good. At college. Always used to say, we off-line hilarious. I never watched him at college. But I'm like, how do you? What do you mean? Like, you're doing these against the best defenders in the world, you there's no way you're not doing that against like, I don't want to badmouth any scholarships. I fly again. So there's no way. And yeah, I it took Tom. I think for him to believe in himself. He he knew from the inside that we had is back and wanted him to be aggressive and. After a few months. We kind of figured out who who we're gonna bay in. How we were gonna ply and it worked for us at a still working for us. Today's episode of the woods pod is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. You know, what's smart kicking off two thousand nineteen by planning out, which rolls your business needs to hire. For. You know, what else is smart starting the new year off by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash wo JR. To hire the right people. 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You had shown us of all people Jonas Turab co tip in at the buzzer. But I would think everybody walked out of the arena that night going while the jazz like they're picking right back up where they were. And as it turned out, you were not picking back up. It became a struggle to sort of get your traction back on your. Yeah. And I think that was our first we'd beat Sacramento about twenty in the first game in Sacramento of said, they were going to be a lot better than what they were. So it was a good win. And then yeah, we we lose on the buzzer to to to the warriors. I you like you feel I think from the outside. They felt like it was like like, we're we're gonna win six games at assist going to be easy. And we're just gonna do what we didn't. I said this a bunch like it's funny that how quickly people forget the Sacramento will what we were five years ago. Lotta young guys. They stuck together. They've worked hard. They've put some veterans. Ed, I've got a good coach. And they've built the program into what it is. Now a really good young team. They are they going to still have some ups and downs. But they're they're on the way up and all it takes is one of the pace or some more development. Whatever it is. And. Froze. It was. Yeah, we just couldn't we couldn't get in a rhythm. We would play great in a game. And then we would play horrible. And the the the Dallas game still stands out. We we lost by fifty to Dallas in Dallas. And. We just couldn't we were the team of say who wanted to bay. But we we just couldn't find that rhythm of. That chemistry like it. Just didn't feel the Siamese. We gos- had no different intentions. One was playing differently known was being selfish. You just didn't. And I think part of that to other teams, but we went to the second round like other teams targeting us. Yeah, we weren't the jazz of four years ago. We know that it was a walk. I a big teams thought they would come in. We'd always play hot, and we'd always compete, but we we will losing a lot of games. So we had we've had a tug on that back last couple of years. And I think just all of that. I think Donovan has took him Tom to like your number one on the scouting report. Now people were figuring you outlaw Shia now you'll like they this like Utah Jazz Donovan Mitchell, that's you see it on TV. You see all the teams that thinking? So we've all we've all worked extremely hot behind the scenes to get this spec. To to see we we just about five hundred now, but. Back on track where we feel like how should be playing, and it's kinda record wise or sort of where you were last year. And then you guys took off on your and the west now is feels like and listen, you keep waiting for Golden State to just run off their ten in a row eleven twelve and create distance and that maybe they still will. But they haven't yet and Denver's there and the claw. And all of a sudden, there's a clogging I think everybody in the west except for like maybe a couple teams dollars starting to fall off. But like a lot of teams still think we're going to be buyers to the trade deadline. We can get the eighth seed we get in the just to the west his I mean, you can go you can win one game. And you're six and you can lose one in your twelve and it's so clogged up in the middle. There. The moment even kind of the top as well. So I mean, it just shows how important every game is especially I mean, we take it old pretty serious, but we try and take every game series as possible and. It is so taught like e. Everyone says you don't want to look at it. You don't want to be with humans. We all look at it. We all have saying people talk about it. And we know how important every game, and you can watch all the other games and say, west coast, west coast teams lose, and it's like, well, if I were there around us, and we closer all with one above now, or whatever it is you try to tell everything about what we do know how important every game is issue. I always get the sense like you may end up in a front office Sunday that part of it really energy that from Melvin well, you could be GM in. Oh, yeah. They're Australian Australia league as much NBL love America. What it's given me and my family and everything the experiences won't leave. He a long-term once saw. But I do my wife is actually the one that always says to me, oh, I had never really still done. What I wanna do often oversee giving a bit more freedom with the deal us onto take a bit longer to figure it out. But she had always said a an agent, which I don't think I could I could nobody likes agents. And I feel I wanna be a lockable person. But I do love that saw at all. I don't think I would be definitely not a head coach a love kind of what some veil like Ghana. Does does I can deal kind of comes into now. A little bit helps out. We've got Raul Lopez as well. Doing of the similar thing. They come in and help out. But I do love I feel like I can watch game. And no good player. And I feel like I could translate that into how drafting whatever it is. And that excites me, I think it's something that would enjoy doing of picking team putting a team together. And I guess seeing if I'd be any good at it not really somebody will be. It'll be there. No one's gonna talk you in the state. You're going home dot is. Also, my my kids to to go to school in drier. And kind of have the the lost. All we I did me and my wife, did we would definitely come back and visit we'll be probably more than we think. But long-term, we'll we'll definitely be in Israel. I'm what become the words of stroke. But you've like, I know this about you you love trade deadline. You love free agency. You like I always hear from you around those times like it's very interesting. And I promise you, I'll text you and let you know before I reported, I'll make sure you first. So you don't have to wait aides say why do it blows up quickly? Yeah. But yeah, I know you like the like trade deadline. You'll be looking you'll be looking at other teams and Utah be I'm sure you guys we talk and trying to maybe do something. But I think you like to see how the pieces get put together. Yeah. It's yeah. I'll like seeing. Oh jazz. But I do like watching other teams, and I like. I can what she gave him in in my head. I'm like all they will they eight is this one pace, and that will be so much better. All that. If they get rid of this go on replace him with this guy. And and then when things do happen. It's. And I think old plays a lot that we we as tame ice on the plane on the bus. We talk about trade, Zoll, whatever. And I think once stuff does go through. It's like man, what do you think like how how will Jimmy being in Philly, and you will you talk about and giant is Jimmy from college who'd be good fit because of this this, and maybe this won't work and. Yeah. That's something. I are really. And I I guess that's more to your point of why why do you think which might be? You've just give me a Kerr a career. So well, you got a lot left in this one July predate man is always taking time and my worries and stay out of the rain. We'll be going straight to bed. I had to Billy morning. I know you did. All right. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thanks for listening to this episode of the wochit pod. A big thank you to my guest today. Utah Jazz forward joing, remember, you can subscribe and listen to archived episodes of the woes pod. Wherever you get your shows. You can find us on apple podcasts radio dot com or wherever else you listen. And of course, a big thank you to our sponsors today. Weeks dot com. Ziprecruiter Twenty-three in me. 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Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith

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Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith

"Everyone welcome in to another edition of the which pot here with the new utah. Jazz owner ryan smith ryan. How are you good. Thanks for having me on man. Thanks for jumping in. Let me start here ryan you. You bought the jazz one point six six in that vicinity billion dollars From the miller family you were approved by the board of governors just before christmas. And now you're fully engaged. You're you're the owner of the jazz. You take over very good team in the western conference and you grew up a jazz fan. Which i think people have heard about you but in the short time you've owned the team ryan. Has there been some like as you're learning all the things that come with an nba team. Is there some perk or something or access that. You're like wow. I didn't know. Nba owners got to do this or had access to that in the league or something that surprised you so far that people would know. That's kind of cool. You get to do or you get to have access to is an mba owner. Yeah i mean look. I think it's been a three week process here even a little bit before that because you know we announced in we were kind of working through the the transition process. It's not an overnight thing I i was pretty close to the team i mean. I sat right on the bench next to greg miller. I always felt like i was part of it. But probably the biggest surprise is how much time is spent in the practice facility versus the arena. I mean we focus so much on the arena. And when i took over the team they hand me a badge and i walk into the practice facility and i was like okay like this is where the magic happens. This is where training happens is where the eating happens and as a fan that was as close to the team as i was not to ever experienced that world lii in we're only in the arena games forty nights a year for on average of four hours. But we're spending the rest of our lives during the year together in that practice facility is really where the hard work takes place that that was probably the most surprising the most interesting aspect of that for me. I am amazed. I become an arms race among nba teams just like in college with facilities. And the jazz is up there with anybody's somebody else comes. They study each other. They take from each other and then but yours is remarkable. And like all the little things i and i've been in there a few times and spent time and like i remember being downstairs with quin snyder and him talking about you know the video room where the guys are would always be. You know block walls like you're in a dungeon that's sort of the stories you hear about that in the older you know previous days in the league and he wanted to room with light he wanted big windows there. Because you get the press down there you spend so much time in there or the way you guys like you have that restaurant kitchen there that guys come through in can order meals and there's a big fire and like there was even like thought to how they enter the facility where they come in. We're at funnels them to and and then how they leave. It's really pretty i. I don't think the average person 'cause they don't spend the time they're realize and especially in the pandemic now where you you know you're gonna spend even more time there because you don't want you don't want guys out and around yours is pretty amazing. Yeah they the millers had done a great job going through one hundred forty million dollar renovation of both the arena the practice facility. And i i feel like i just found the best restaurant in utah and it's sitting in our practice facility. And then you know i think Both quinn in steve who who had been instrumental in designing it really thought about it is the way we would design any of our office spaces right where you've seen such a transformation both tack in the way that we go to work and our set up and i think that will even be further enhanced through the pandemic of how we all work together in work remotely in so i think i think our practice facility is just another extension of that and and i've seen a few of them in the league and i definitely like where where we've got in the bones of where we can't even go to improve on that ryan when you like. You said you knew the miller family. You sat there you had had you know it's funny. People see the jersey patches on uniform in league and that's become it's a big revenue stream for teams and you know essentially everywhere else. It's a product. It's a company and the jazz. I think he had to explain to people. What is five for the fight. What does that mean is that an. It's it was a fundraising mechanism for cancer research. That you started through quality tricks your around your company and so you knew all the you knew the players the players were doing commercials for you. They were a part of it. They were wearing on their jersey. You were raising Up over twenty. Four twenty five million dollars for it and so that was your entry point into the organization before you even thought right about putting going to the millers and saying hey would you think about maybe selling me the team. Yeah we we. We had this idea the millers that approached us and said you know what what do you think about being jersey sponsor and they brought in jersey with quantocks on it in a couple of years earlier. We launched this campaign of around crowd sourcing for cancer research and it started with a gentleman by the name of jon. Huntsman who huntsman senior. Who had who had basically develop this entire cancer institute around this in in you know a crazy story to even go back further. Was you know. I was a sophomore in college. I was working down in la. I was doing enter chip. And i got a call that no one wants to get. Which is my father telling me. He's got three months to live. And i came back. I dropped out of school. I was going to. Byu at the time. And i said you know what my father got three months. There's no more important than me. Spending time with them in he would go to radiation treatments. And you know there was some doctor up at the cancer center would come up with a technique that was the least invasive process to be able to get rid of his cancer or laser out his cancer and that saved his life and through the three months that we were together. My father was an academic. He was a scientist We came up with wall tricks and we started this company so instead of like going and fixing up an old car we decided we were going to build a tech company. And we're gonna do it in our basement and that's grown to be this twenty year run in the success stories and olive tech based on cancer. And i remember at the time. Going to jon. Huntsman at saint. Hey like the work you've done saved my father's life and look what's come out of it. I ever had any money. I'm going to dedicate towards helping you raise money for cancer and by the way the model. You've got where you get a bunch of. I network individuals to go donate big. Slots of of money. Isn't really sustainable. Like why don't we develop something that we could get everyone because it's just as your fight john. It's going to impact all of us to to come up with this. You know i remember before. He died walking in one day and saying. Hey we've got away to crowd fund cancer research and we've also got a way to do it with the nba and he was a huge jazz fan a huge basketball fan. And he said. I've always been looking at a way to crowd fund it and i've always been looking for a way to work with the nba. And you brought me both of those in one day and we decided that we were going to go all in the principle that we have aquatics. We're going to go all in on the patch. We're going to give it away to cancer. And i remembered partnering with the millers when the league's like just put your logo on. Why do you need a mess with this new innovation and the miller said nah like we just put the team a trust. We're going to give the patch to raise money for cancer. We said we're going to raise fifty million dollars in three years. We've got to twenty six million dollars in the hole. Communities rallied around in the players rallied around it. I mean last year our new team with boy on and conley hadn't even got together in the very first thing they did was a video shoot. It was a very first pitcher when they got to town of media day was doing something for for cancer research. And it's been one of the best and most fulfilling things that we've been a part of in Tricks renewed the patch last year for the next. You know the next term. I think it's three more years and it's something that's gonna continue in pretty excited about it but we saw the good that the platform of the nba could do. Because there's no way we would raise that much money and got that many companies in the community involved without the platform the league. I want to get back to that ryan later and talk about the leaks platform and what else you can use it for what people are using it for in the league now but you buy the team. You agree to a deal. You get approved. And while that's going on while he was just a formality with the board of governors which you have to sort of wait till the next board of governors meeting and and You get a formal approval but you can still have some. You could certainly have some interaction with the organization while that's going on your two best players or two most important players donovan mitchell rudy. Go bear are in talks for contract extensions. What was it like walking in. You're trying to let you said you had a relationship. You knew these guys. But now it's a different relationship as the team's principal owner and you're working with dennis lindsay the president and just zanuck the gm and the organization. What was that like walking in as owner and the first thing on the docket is we gotta get these guys. Locked up yeah. I knew that i knew that from july it was one of the questions that came from from the millers is like okay. Where are we at like these. Are the two key pillars. How's it going like. How do we build stability in the organization and in reality is is like we wanna build around dawn. We want rudy to be here long term. Now they were different phases almost in their second contract and one was in the third and You know we down one of the first meetings. I had with dennis justin in q. And steve impart him as trying to understand my style in at just yet plus. We've got a truncated free agency period with seven. It was kind of a pretty crazy time to come in and take over a team into the millers credit they said. Hey look this is. Probably one of the most important things that we're going to be doing as a franchise You need to lean in here. Because you're going to have to live with it for the next while in so But for me personally it was in the organization. It was priority number one two and three to say. Hey look we have a chance to obviously compete. I mean you saw what happened in the bubble. I think everyone everyone in the jazz vans. Were also laying on the floor with donovan at the end of the game going. Oh my word like we got a good t and how do we keep it together. And how do we keep the pillars together in with me as a new our ownership group is to come in and to have a chance to to take over with such a great staff and then the good fortune to have a young player like donovan. Who the best years definitely ahead of them and then rudy does so many unique things on the floor that we see in utah and we build that that operation around in our offense around in. Quincy's it It was priority number one two and three to get those done in to be able to look back and say. Wow we came in we bought. The team transitioned dealing with cove. It and we did that And then on top of that to have you know. Jc jordan clarkson wanting to come back to utah. Having derrick favors say i'm coming home. Have rudy saying hey. I want to be here that that speaks volume about the organization. What they've done in wanting to play for you in and we need to take that to the next level and that's that's my job and our ownership groups job to to to make that become you know what everyone wants to do. And i think is an absolutely special place and i think we're just getting started here ryan when you think about when you thought about what your role is as owner and the kind of owner you want to be. How much is that thinking evolved as you spend more time with your front office and more time with your head coach and more time with your your players to understand what it is. They need from an owner to make this whole thing. Work as your thinking evolved about what exactly how you should operate as an owner how you want to operate and has that changed even in a couple of months that you've been hunkered down with these guys. I don't know that it's changed. I actually didn't have very high expectations going in. Because i knew the strength of the organization. I mean we have. We have phenomenal leaders in this organization. And i'm just pretty fortunate to be able to come in with an organization like that. I also knew that. I'm going to have to find my rhythm. Whatever that is it. And i've i've run an organization with four thousand employees in. It's a pretty big tech organization with twenty five offices globally. I know that. I've seen leaders come in to the right and the wrong thing. I just wanna add value. And i think there's value in myself and our ownership group that we indefinitely added it connecting more of utah connecting globally taking the brand telling the right story of really what's going on in utah in then backing. Our leadership in reality is is my jobs probably to make one or two or three really difficult decisions a year and just be there to support you and support our players in in health them both on and off the court here in utah would ever i possibly can and You know denison injustice operated in a little bit more of a. They had someone like me. I would say in the organization. They've done extremely well. Taking over the the second winningest organization a franchise the last thirty years. I mean not. A lot's been broken. But i think I would just say. I think we're going to have to probably get a little more aggressive as we think about how to take this to the next level especially in a league where we've got a lot owners that are well-funded wanna win. And that's no secret in today's market Given where where teams are at. And i think there's a lot of stars in the league as well. And so. I i like where we are. I think we we need to thrive and strive to get better. You know people like to. They like to think even with owners like to put them in categories. Right there's the hedge fund guys and then there's kind of family heirloom group. And then there's the tech guys and that was mark. cuban. That was steve bomber. Now ryan smith is in that group. But i know you've got to know cuban Prior to buying the team did you look around and say even if it was outside the nba and say hey. I like how. They're running a pro sports team or how that owner has integrated themselves into the whole thing. Did you have some role models in that way. Do you find people now. You're even asking questions about and studying and looking at and saying. Is there something to take from there. Well i think i think you know. The comparisons are definitely looked coming out of the. They're coming out for a couple of reasons. Number one is. My journey is very similar to cubans journey bombers journey from from the world we come from I'm probably a lot newer to it. Because i'm still operating in that world. You know we've got. We've got a lot going on in that. World is well but i think i probably wanted to patent still want to pattern off of organizations and you know i look at some of these organizations whether it's the the celtics last week where they lowered their banners as the backdrop of a behind the hooves in the area. I saw the lakers do it. I talk state last night. reality is the that's really what we're missing and we've gotta go. We've gotta go model in that way. As far as a well run organization. I put the jazz. And what the millers done. And that's that's respect around the league. I mean i was on the ownership call when when gale was saying goodbye and they were introducing me into watch. You know ten different owners you know. Tear up a little bit and say. Hey what the millers have meant to the nba. What the millers. Larry meant to to my father or other people who were coming out They they've really done a class classic job in even in utah. It's always say it's a barack obama quote that they've always. They've always gone high when people have gone low and To be able to kind of continue that legacy and then put a a different in my spin on it You know the one thing. I've learned just from from all of this is is. I've already got a management style. I already am him a little bit. On the way i roll. And you know. I'm just gonna be ryan smith and it's a lot easier for everyone. There's one story. There's one group. I'm not trying to be something i'm not and Let's get to work and that's that's really you know it's it's been a successful model for last twenty years and i don't know everything i'm gonna make mistakes but we're going to figure it out in You know i bet on people and you know i think we're gonna take risks as well. You sold quad tracks to as sap two years ago for eight billion dollars. And now there's you're headed toward an ipo which might be another. It's been reported twelve or thirteen. Fourteen billion dollars a couple of years later. You did that in utah. Typically some tech companies. They go to california. Your stayed there and i part of right what did was think simplifying it right like part of it is helping companies with sort of their customer. Their user experience employee experience helping with experiences. And that's sort of. I imagine there might be some of that chat translates to the nba whether that's fan experience or and you mentioned it earlier player experience. And that's you know for the jazz. It's been like you said it's been a winning organization. And they've found the guys who fit who have loved playing their who've committed in state and others gordon hayward left in free agency and wanted something wanted something else but but how much of your job is figuring out what thought formula is to make that experience everything it can be and what translates from your business from your company's. Yeah it's been an interesting ride. I think i think if if i look at utah and and i'll get to utah in a second but you know. We work twelve thousand brands and quarterbacks in and we help them design an experience or improve the experience they already have. And if you look disruption in the world it's normally someone coming into a market that's already established and building a different experience on the pieces of that market whether it's uber coming into the hotel to the taxi experience whether it's airbnb coming in and saying hey look i think there's a new hotel experience out there and And then everyone kind of sits back and go yeah like why were we renting videos from blockbuster like we could have netflix's at our home that's a way better experience for everyone. Our door dashes now delivering so disruption truly happens in those experience gaps in so naturally come in to utah and say okay. What are the experiences that we have here in. We have a fan experience We have a brand experience both inside and outside of the state we have A player experience not only our existing players but our players that are coming in who are an extra agents that the second they get off the bus. What's that experience life than what what do we want people to experience in how do we. How do we actually call that. And then we also. We also need to win. And that's no matter what the experience is like. Winning is a great experience in show. I naturally look at the. The opportunity from the experience lends. And i've already started to say. Hey where can we improve and that. That's not the millers weren't focused on that it's just we always need to be improving that experience and there's always another level that we can take on that experience from the practice facility from our from our health and training to to the food in the family room right like all of that. All of that's part of that now when it comes to utah you know. I think a lot of people have asked me is like hey how does it feel taking over a small market. What do you think about. Small markets in reality is is the experience from the tech side is not a small market we are. We are a six out of ten last six of ten years. we are Top three and business growth. We are the number one economy last year the lowest unemployment on the amount of people. That are moving here you at tourism with skiing and hospitality. We have probably one hundred celebrities right now up in park city. India valley skiing vacationing. We're gonna have the olympics here. We got the all star game coming if you look at what goes on at southern utah If you look at the airport like rudy can go to sleep at five o'clock on a flight. Wake up in france the next the next morning. We're a bigger market a lot of different areas in. So i think there's there's definitely a story that we can. We can tell from an experience standpoint and actually bring those worlds together because they're a little bit fragmented in reality is they didn't exist seven or eight or ten years ago You know. I spent a lot of time. The parks Not one of my neighbors from utah. They're all from california are everywhere else. In in the migration out of the super cities to utah and other places especially during the pandemic. We are in hyper growth mode so you can barely find out how right now in in the price is definitely going up so there's a lot going for the state and when you add that many people in the type of individuals who are coming here over the last seven eight nine ten years especially with the growth. I think we have more and more funding coming in the new york city. Right now and so. We're definitely but but we need to work on the media side and we need to work on creating a better experience and a lot of different areas and that's one of things were focused on so we are super bullish on utah. And i think the partners that. I have joining me with ryan sweeney at sal in the the number one number two venture capital firm in the world going. We're bullish on the jazz. Were polish on utah. Mike brooks in australia. Who's build the largest company Tech company in australian or young forty forty one forty two Coming in and we got the next thirty years to build this experience out. We're pretty excited because the jazz are the largest really platform in the front door to the state when you look at the experience of black players in utah. African american players in utah in salt lake. Is that part of your challenge about if there's a perception of what it is versus. The reality is that something that has been at the forefront of your planning your thinking your conversations with donovan mitchell rudy and your players coach coaches. Your front office is is that ben at the forefront since you've taken over yeah i think i think as we look at the experience of utah. We're looking at all the experiences. And i think you know some of the work that we've done. Quality has been pretty impressive here. We've ruined relocating about four hundred different people a year here for the last four or five years and you know getting a much more. Diverse crowd diverse group. And we've kind of seen what works and what doesn't work and so is we think about everything were doing as an organization. It's definitely top of mind. I think that you know coming into the organization and frankly the nba. I think there were a lot of questions for a lot of people are saying. Hey what does the movement that that's gone on in. How can i go and help support our players. And how can i support our team But a couple of things. Surprise me when i got in to the organization number one is our fans are really truly behind our players now. There's people on social media who i don't know there are fans are not but as i jumped into the data. We were top. Four team in ticket renewal. We had one cancellation of a suite. That was pretty vocal about about some of the use of the platform of the league. I want to touch on that ryan you talked about. There was a company that had had a sweet in your arena for a very long time. Who was very public about the fact that they were no longer. They weren't gonna renew the sweet. They felt like they couldn't support the jazz as long as the nba and the jazz were supporting black. Lives matter and donovan. Mitchell who has been a leader among and that just players with the jazz but around the league you know he tweeted at. I think there was a story in your local media about it and data tweeted at. Hey it's your right to do that. Essentially walk away just like it's our right just like it's ours. Our right to kneel and and you tweeted over that and you said essentially listen. It'll be easy to fill the suite with all the amazing companies in utah and if the utah jazz i'm happy to take it over and give it to underrepresented minority groups this season. So you did it there. You have done it publicly since you bought the team. You've made it pretty clear where you stand. How you stand and that if you if you're not going to stand for these human rights if you're not going to stand for these values then you're fine with somebody like if that means they don't want to buy a ticket or they don't wanna buy sweeter. They don't wanna botch the jazz. You are accepting of that because it seems like this is a value for you that you're not going to compromise on. Let me tell you how. I've gotten their personally. I looked at my own organization. We have offices in twenty five different locations around the world and we are about as innovative as any company. I've seen as far as how we treat people how we change the work environment and how we use the platform to do good and is we got through on over the last couple of years on where we've been focusing whether it was gender equality whether it was pay intact if i were just to say to a ratio standpoint we were spending probably fifty to one efforts on other things as opposed to social justice issues and i truly believe that we have platforms to do good in systemic racism or unconscious bias around racial issues or social issues. It's real we had it within our own organization and it wasn't that people were consciously trying to do something we weren't active in saying. Hey we're gonna go use our platform to drive systematic change and we have equity problems across pay across race within our communities. And i just wanna look back and say. Hey i did everything i possibly could to make the world more equitable place. And i'll just tell you like we have not been doing everything we possibly can and people have been using the platform of the nba to go in and drive that change in. You know. I think the one thing that doesn't get talked about is how the players came together to have a very constructive around getting people out to vote. Were telling people out of vote. They were saying. Hey come out and vote and we drove more people than ever to boat. I think the nba has a big big piece of pride that they should have in that of using the platform to do good. That is a very kind and honest and earnest. Ask for folks in our group plans on using the jazz to in this platform to be able to drive proper chain. That frankly should have been done a long time ago but to help better our communities. One of the things that we're doing is forever jazz win this year. We're offering a four year scholarship to underrepresented or minority kid. Who can now go to college for every single wind and that is a great use of this platform to drive change. And we're going to continue to build out our community and i stand with our players in. I just couldn't be more proud of of how the nba's coming together. And i think that we're going to affect change for the good and that's look i've seen it with cancer. There's not a better platform in the world. Drive change and i look at what we've done and we have nine new cancer. Researchers sitting at huntsman. Cancer walking around with a fine for the fire. Oh we're going to have hopefully sixty new college kids out. There wouldn't have had a chance to go to college. And so we're excited about how to leverage the platform to do good and this is good. Yeah i think you're you're announcing that initiative think formerly this week i think is the first time you're talking about a publicly. I know your players know about the initiative. I had heard that there was a win in the preseason and guys were company like does. This count toward the scholarships which apparently it does right. Yeah that's right and it was interesting because we talk to everyone about it about what we're going to be doing this season. We're gonna be doing a lot more. That's just one of the initiatives we have on the education front. We've got something to have much more equitable health care economic opportunity. And we've got these task force that are greater where people in the organization players can get involved in. I hope it brings people together. I hope other companies can get on a partner with the jazz to help maybe create a lot. More than just however many scholarships we're gonna do but we're gonna lead out and it is not only to give folks money have had a chance. It's also like a lot of people. Don't know how to get the process. Going of getting the collagen and i've talked to enough universities. I started you know our tech company by targeting universities and so we work with almost every university out there and we're going to pair them together. It's going to be a marketplace where we will go to university and say hey we want. Five or six scholarships guaranteed what we're going to bring kids. Who have never had a chance to do this into your university. And we're gonna help cover the cost. Will you accept them or is there something we can do. And i think that the opportunities never been greater for that. And joe and i don. They were asking like okay. We had a preseason win. They're like this that counters wanted like. Yeah the council wins. Ah win in reality is were. Were just trying to drive change and you know i would rather talk less than just act more right now. This is a great signal of action in just like the players encouraging vote. That was just such a great action oriented move. And that's exactly what the intention was of taking a combined voice using the platform to do good ryan you. You've you've been public about this. You you talk to glenn taylor minnesota about buying the timber wolves. They've been sort of on and off the mark in recent years. I seem to be back on it. They are back on it now. How close did you come to buy the timber wolves. If you had kept pushing at it do you think you could have gotten a deal. There and just may have never happened. Well yeah. I felt like i was really close because glennon i got along really well and i think that I talked to adema bunch about you. Know you know my interest in the league At the end of the day it was kinda one of those things where it came down to my wife and she was like a ryan like. I don't know if you realize this but the real time we get together we drive up to jazz game and our our kids. Little kids were like. Hey like we we all are jazz fans and you know i know you think minnesota's only two hours away but i just don't i know you and i know how hard you're going to want to dive in like i've been around you for one time like i don't see that you're shorting all of your time. You're saying you're going to be spending. You're going to want to be off in in. You're gonna wanna put your little touch on it in in reality is i went to jail miller and i said hey like i'm thinking about doing this like would you ever be open to even a minority or sliver of the jazz. And she said now. Like i wouldn't be and this is february and you know glenn couldn't have been more of a gentleman. I called glen and said hey look man like reality is. I'm a jazz fan. And i love the idea being part of the league the league so contagious. I'm such a basketball fan. And even if this is my only chance of ever. I'm jasmine and so i called the miller's which is like what will be the best damn owners are the best ham fans. You'll ever see here. We're behind you all the way and then like we really burn the boat and we said we're going to be in utah and we're gonna be utah fans and and you know. Something happened in july where i just kept pushing a little bit and one thing lined up in a in. A soccer team came available. And i talked to the miller. Would you wanna be with me in reality is they. Were like well now. And i said well how about if i buy the soccer team and then we put it together with the jazz and and they said well. If we're going to do a little piece of the jazz we're gonna do the whole thing i said. Is that an option. And they said. Are you making an offer. And i literally pulled out. My phone looked at the forbes evaluation which. I don't think forbes really intends to do this. I said well there's your offer for the jazz. And they took it back. It was accepted. And that's literally how it went down and gail was super nice and she just said. Hey look we. We trust you in ashton. We know you're going to be great stewart on this and We hope you're the same age. As is larry and i were and we hope that you can continue for the next thirty thirty five years just like we did and i hope it's a positive thing for you and your family and you guys have a lot of fun and or behind you the whole way. And so. that's that's really how it happened in a weird way like. I don't know if the messages listened to your spouse in those around you because they know better. But minnesota's got a great team it would have been an awesome experience. Probably but i'm a jazz fan. I have been my whole life and you know in talking to to adam. I think one of the things that he said he's like ryan if someone's lucky enough to be a part of the nba. That's one thing but they're very few people ever ever ever have a chance. It's it's extremely rare that they they get to be a part of their team. The team they grew up rooting for what was there. Any part of adam silver at the time when you shared with ham. Hey i'm going to back away from this minnesota and for the reasons you just explained that he d- or anybody else around this industry that says to you. Hey listen everybody wants to own an nba team. You become available. You'll you've you're right at the precipice of getting this. You can't walk away from this. I mean did you hear some of that. I remember specifically. Remember calling adam and saying. Hey adam like i. I'm in utah. I like i can't do this. And i know that this might be d- opportunity. And i cannot believe i'm even making this phone call and i just explain the story and said hey look. We're about utah. And he could not have been more gracious he said ryan like. Don't do this unless you're totally committed and passionate about it And you can. You can really make that time commitment to be up there in in i. I had a lot of respect. I think it was interesting because you know he said when we called it was probably out of thirty teams. Probably the last call he would ever expect with the jazz and so Life's long and i think you know as young as i am. I also am trying to learn as much as i can through experiences like that. You know you don't need to force everything and Fortunately timing was right. Unfortunately quantocks has been pretty successful when i was in a spot to to be able to make a move. And that's that's pretty exciting. Listen you grew up a jazz fan. I imagine you have like a bunch of friends that you've had lifelong friends who you grew up together. Jazz fans jazz have limited. You're one of the teams in the league that are have allowed limited fans in But they'll come a point where you can fill your building again and do all that a. I'm sure everybody wants take. It's you're going to be there hookup now but how much you get now from your friends. They grew up with jazz fans. Hey make this trae do that. What do you what do we like. How much of that stuff where you're getting so far i really haven't i'll be honest. I'm surprised You know people are pretty supportive. I mean no one said a word. But you know when when donovan still got don and came back. Jc and. i've just seen excitement and people really excited. I think the the tickets sponsorships are all coming around. That and i hope. I hope these guys feel the support of jazz nation in reality. It's been it's been a weird season. I mean you know if i think about our players and our guys they haven't had you know we're we've got one of the most active loudest fan bases in the country and everyone talks about it and not hearing that group. Cheer for you for you know. Almost a year is is different. You know it's it's different. And i think it's it's been cool to have limited players in the arena. I'll i've heard from who have come in is. I didn't realize how much i needed this. I've had people just. Dm me tax me and say my soul needed this more than i knew. And the way spreading out with fifteen hundred fans. It's for safety protocols standpoint. it's pretty impressive. What are teams done to get ready and our staff in the arena. If feels incredibly safe. I mean i felt a lot safer inside the arena than i have it a grocery store experience store or or other places because it's such a large space So yeah well ryan smith. The new owner of the utah. Jazz and jazz are off to a good start. This is going to be this. This is my connolly's playing Has gotten off to a great start which is important for this team and your star players have been your stars this is this is gonna be a fun season and hopefully by the end of it ryan. You'll have in arena. I don't know. I don't know if we're going to have packed arenas by the end of the season but probably baby perhaps have more than fifteen hundred so good luck the rest of the way this year. This was a lot of fun. I'm glad we got to visit here and happy new year. Ryan yeah you too. Thanks for you do man listening to this episode of the woge pod a big. Thank you to our guests today. Utah jazz owner ryan smith. You can listen to archive episodes of the woke pod. Were every get your podcasts. Be sure to. Also listen to the low post with zach lowe in the hoop collective with brian windhorst. Catchy next time Do you own rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 364  QFTA

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 364 QFTA

"Yes welcome into the Tim mckernan show on the inside L. podcast network from the home loan expert. Dot. com. Studios today is September first twenty twenty I am alongside the great gangster Pete Gangster Pete. What questions from the audience I'd say it's really the podcast now and gangster Pete and I feel your questions. We did get another erotic story this week. Not from Dev's though Dev's really kind of set the tone last week. This one could be hotter maybe I don't know I see that it starts off by saying hey tim. I was shocked by a lesbian that's unfounded. I'm intrigued, but I don't know where it's going to go. So we will find out lot of political emails over the last week since we recorded our last. So so we'll dig into that and then we'll get into. discussing politics on T. A., and then a poll question I posted on the TMA fan page, which had a major shift in results. 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So it is a major recommendation plus designers who want to go to time you have heating and cooling issues need repairs. You need a new unit design, air service DOT COM, the number one trained dealer in the Midwest, Tardif stop train, and Seth Gold Camp his family have been taking care of Saint Louis. Since nineteen o four gangster Pete, what are you looking forward to discussing? What are you looking forward to not discussing setting the table with gangster Pete I mean I'm open to anything I'm not to stoked about all the political stuff that's coming now it's kind of a bummer but yeah, I know I kind of want to get into the weeds on it even though. I don't know we'll get into the weeds start with the lesbian thing because I'm intrigued by it and it's GonNa put me in a good mind said, hey, Tim. Hey Smoke. Tim I was cut by a lesbian. After. I. Got done with athletics. I had replaced my addiction with something. So I taught myself how to play guitar. A couple of years. Later, I was in a band and doing small tours around the country in the summertime non famous bands barely making enough for gas and food but it is always a fun road for and you plan the cities around who will let you crash on the couch. This particular story takes place in. Dallas. We play laundromat slash bar called the bar of soap. There were like ten people there but they paid us in booze which was cool because we had a place to crash in free food. The Person We stayed with was a college friend in her apartment complex. Pool. We were enjoying the pool with some beers when this absolute tornado of a Gal came firing out of apartments screamed fuck that guy I'm done wasting my life on a loser I just WanNa get drunk and fuck. My eyes lit up like Clark W griswold when the Christmas lights worked. So she and her roommate joined us in the pool. This was shaping up to be a golden opportunity. As unbelievable as this sounds, she is waiting in the pool with US talking about how she was glad to be single and could not believe she got a Boob job for that loser. We were firing on that Gal like the lone girl that wanders into a hotshots live event who team me library said. I was I was lucky Pierre that day. So we start to make out in the pool and we decided to take it to her apartment. We start getting after it a bit when the door flies open, it's her roommate. She. Tells the girl that she is too drunk and going to make a mistake and to go get a glass of water. While she was in the other room, her roommate told me that she had been waiting for a year for them to break up. So she could make her move and I was fucking it all up. So. Here I am watching not a potted plant to be found. I was hoping to be invited for more. I was not. They ignored me for about two minutes and then the roommate asked what I was still doing their the girl said to be nice. He can stay and then the roommate said, no, he has to go I tucked my tail and left that's from Dave. Here's a pick from the show. But not a pick of the GAL. Was Really. Hoping I scroll down I saw picture that I was going to see the picture that girl has like let me see so. What's so I'm trying to follow this how many girls are involved in this there's two there's two roommates the one broke up with her boyfriend she's ready to get after it. Right? He hits it off with her, but her roommate was secretly in love with her the whole time. So she comes in and then blocked and then doesn't want the M in the. FM She wants him gone. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. While while while Yeah, I mean it's boys more I feel heartbreak for you. I'm kind of rattled actually right now I'm I feel heartbreaks I'm living that because I can kind picture even though I don't know how old Dave is. I'm kind of picturing that time. And it's so wonderful and. You know what I picture I picture the feeling of synapses firing can feels and the synapses firing and you think it's going to happen and the hardest crash somebody who's not done hard drugs. of the hardest crash is when you think something is going to happen and then it doesn't he a little taste to ours. Wow I'm really you know I mean, listen deep story last week was uplifting. This story this week it's heartbreak. I don't know. I. Feel bad for you Dave I really do and I'm kind of picturing it. I'm Kinda. I'm Kinda and here's what I'm picturing. What are you picturing? Like as far as what the girls look like this. Based Story I. Like to picture that they're both very beautiful. Yeah. Well, of course I'm thinking that but I'm thinking they're kind of it's kind of like I'm picturing like the two thousand and kind of like naturally beautiful. You know kind of girl next door. Yeah and you know. Just open and free. And ready to go. Takes me back to be in college. You know first time you hook up with girls real exciting, and then it got crushed right away. Now I'm feeling for Dave here Wall send your erotic stories and hopefully they're more uplifting but it sounds like maybe we have a theme here with deeds and with Dave a deep. Wasn't necessarily crushed so much as he was in the wrong spot on the anatomy but. With with Dave, we thought I really thought this was going wonderfully and then all the although I guess starts out by saying I was shocked by lesbian but I thought it might lead to him being behind the potted plant I e mail in anything you want questions, comments, erotic stories, Tim mckernan. At. Inside St L. Dot com I to- I only posted right like the nine o'clock hour. On the fan page so we shouldn't have too many there. The first post under my post is the Plough Hawks saying speak to me tell me what you see which is just wonderful as texting with the plow turns. Have to say, we're just trying to meet up to play golf or some shape some stroke out So it's wonderful to hear from the plow hawks, speak to me tell me what you see a wonderful drop as well. This question comes from Jonathan. If you get your wish spending six months in Jupiter six months in Saint. Louis, how would you handle school? It's great question. with regard my son. Thought about that Part of my answer, which may sound like a hedge intended to is I. Wonder What School's going to like in general for the next couple of years, which then Kinda gets to the theme of a couple of our last podcast Pete, which I brought TMA which then gets into political discussion but. I'm just not sure that there is going to be a return to twenty nineteen in twenty, twenty one not saying that there won't be Holy Shit I. Hope that there is I'm just saying, I'm not sure that there is an I. Think. And I don't know it's part of the human condition and by the human condition I mean people just don't WanNa think of the worst case scenario as I said, when I was talking about, you know somewhat metaphorically winter is coming, but it actually is little in the sense that bores part is coming still. with regard to people being in Ho inside and places not being open or having occupancy women's, and you can't go outside and do stuff when it's winter in addition to social unrest in the election and so on and so forth that I also think that people won't be on baseball season next year or hockey's next year and I'm kind of like Whoa. Why? Would just because of next year mean that they'll be forty five thousand people Busch Stadium. I don't how likely that is. I'm not saying that it won't happen I'm just saying I don't know how likely it is. and so applying that to things that are certainly more necessary in life such as school I don't know I think I think the world I think we will look back on twenty twenty. And potentially a period of years but twenty twenty. And say. This that is common now was born out of the pandemic is a byproduct it. So something that is more like an like what we consider commonplace in twenty thirty was not commonplace in two thousand nineteen but it became commonplace in twenty twenty because the pandemic and believe it or not. But in twenty nineteen and all the years beforehand people used to go into an office. And what? People used to go into school. Or people you know used to pack stadiums I. Don't know I don't know F- If I listen I. Hope that's not the case to be clear I. Hope it's not the case, but I wonder about it I really I think if I had to put what I think is most likely of those I think the office element is going to forever drastically be. Reduced because if anything, it is just an excuse for businesses to reduce expense and anytime of business as an opportunity to do that whether it's truly right or just can be used as an excuse, the businesses most likely going to do that. So I think that is that is a real thing and I don't know how much we're going to see changed their. I think sporting events will return. I think certainly think I think restaurants will return if not major issue but With regard to. School. I you could have spots where a remote learning is much more common. and. So if that were the case, then that could that could change the game I'll say this in this, you know speaking of somebody with now three year old. And I hear from parents. Who have kids who were you know going to whether be a private high school or a college? And they're like, yeah, my son or daughter is going to this place and it costs. Tens of thousands of dollars a year for the school. It's university and they're they're in my house learning remotely and I'm going what am I what am I getting for this? So I wonder about that I wonder about that whole element. So I don't have a good answer like if it were twenty nineteen, I don't know our thought process has always been through four years old. If we can do it, we would go down to Jupiter and then that would probably would come to an end. but I don't know I. Don't know gangster Peter Thought I already got friends are listenership over the remote learning grill. It's terrible. Man I in fifteen emails with my kids music teacher about some music assignment is like it's like another job really yeah. I mean they're they've got good jobs and then they have to tend to the kids and. They they can't wait till. Everybody's back in school, and then another friend I guess one of the kids positive for code. So the whole class now's going remote for two weeks. Really. Yeah. So now everybody has to read Redo their whole schedule for that. Wow, wow. Wow. I can't imagine. So that's the thing I mean it's a great question, but I guess I'm applying it to. Current times and I wonder about that you know right now not in school. So you know if if it's in play but you know so I mean to play it out for twenty twenty. Twenty twenty one I don't know if there's going to be spring training. Now me being down there. It's just kind of like a convenient thing. The cardinals are there, and so we do show some there, and then I do the podcast interviews, the cardinals there. So it helps. But and it's in the eastern time zone. You know. So I couldn't do this I. Mean I guess I could do it in Las Vegas or Scottsdale or California but. you know I'm getting up. What three in the morning ish. So you know from a quality of life standpoint, it doesn't work and we just happened. Really. Like it down there so I don't know I. Don't know what's GonNa Happen I. Don't I don't know what I don't know what the Hell's going to be doing in a year and a half So that's a that's another thing that I would that I would say is is relevant I'm not I'm not sure you know where I will be Let's see. This is from the Great Carlos Spicer Winter. Do you think the upcoming von? Wonderful woman wind up being the hottest gay hookup event of the decade. That's a great question. Yeah. Didn't know that Doug Sony got engaged until I guess somebody called in and said on Monday I saw the video online. Oh, really. There's an always yeah they have to look at. The whole family meets him in the backyard. Doug's holding the camera is that right? Everybody was very emotional it was cute. Oh, it's awesome. What a great thing that definitely have to go at it but they they both seemed like Super Happy John Vons great people. Yeah. He turn I as well before you were here but like maybe like eight nine years ago. over under on college football completing the entire schedule. I don't know how to answer that because it's like I guess you won't be a percentage. I guess perhaps uncountable complaint how many games they'll complete. Yeah. The SEC will complete all the games. I kinda. Think that that might be been right on that out. And I was I never looked at it. Politically I never looked at it politically, and now I'm looking I'm going Oh It's it's it's a thing. It's it's an actual thing. It's an actual thing. Things are different in the SEC. It's an actual thing. And So from that standpoint, I guess they're going to play I. Really Gas Missouri is going to host Alabama in an empty stadium, is that what it's going to be your twenty percent five percent. Occupancy I'd truly be interested in going to that. Yeah. I'm going to be in Columbia that weekend. So I might see if I can get in there I mean I'd truly be interested in going to that. So from the SEC standpoint. I would set it at ninety percent. Yeah I. think that sounds good. Yeah and I can't believe it because for the whole time I have been thinking, they're never gonNA play college. Football. and. I'm like, Oh, I see what this is about. This is like a south thing. And therefore, it's you know that's the mindset and it's not necessarily the mindset you know. But the mindset of the people in power and boosters, and therefore it's going to go forth. and. Here's the deal even though I would imagine I probably don't share the world views of many in the sec I imagining that I don't know that but I imagine I hope it winds up going flawlessly. 'cause I don't fucking care with regard to the politics element of it. I just love college football and I hope everybody say that nobody gets ill watch that FCS game on Thursday is Central Arkansas Missouri's first opponent initially. and. into it, it came down to the last play of the game. It was fun with the NFL season approaching in some team saying they will allow a small number of fans indie. Think any MLB team will try this before the season is over to Brian I will say no yet say no to You mentioned last week, our nightly struggles, your nightly struggles to get the little man to go to sleep I. Have you tried Melatonin Gumy's we've had a lot of success with them. Our pediatrician has told us they're fine I. appreciate it. Here's something this I'm not going to get I. Dug brought this up. Actually I think this ties in John's engagement now that I think about it. because I guess was caller Adam who may be called in, and that's how I found out about it. If I'm not mistaken if I'm putting all the other. and he goes you wonder why we don't talk about our families on the show. And? I have it's been a thing for me even before my son was born. And then since now that I have a child and then I find out a friend of mine is having a baby and they're having their first baby. Because I didn't like it and I just like, okay then I won't do I know I didn't like it. So treat others I want to be treated I don't. Like when people say, oh, go so fast or Oh, you want to try this or oh Ozzy Slu. You ought to do this that I never want to be. Let me tell you how to parent. person and this person who's asking this question I know who is wonderful personally great person eight-plus human being but when I briefly. Talked last week on the show about how my son just but it's not. It's. It's. It's really I mean, I guess in a way it's a complaint but the complaint is the byproduct of who he is who he is. He's just so happy he is permanently happy. which amazing the only time he is not happy when you tell him hey, it's time we have to go to bed or we have to have to eat because he's always playing an always happy and I'm just so happy that he's happy. But I was talking about that not really thinking anything of it. and. Then I got I. Don't know say a bunch of emails but I got emails on how to get him to go to sleep and even though I know everybody doing it was coming from a good place. I didn't I was just like this. I can't I can't. I just don't want you know I want to talk about it. Yeah. And here you are without a child just like knowingly like, yeah you shouldn't have said that and that's what that's what's coming and I don't know why people I would never. Personally. Say. Here's how you do something with regard your trucks I don't every every every child is different I don't. And I just also would be presumptuous to like think that but I mean again, I know the people who are doing that are coming from a good place. It's just I. Don't know I don't know I don't know I don't have good. Answer as to why it's like a hyper sensitive thing for me. but I regretted that day doing it because I opened myself up to something that I. Kinda told myself before he was even born I Never WanNa do you know I actually think? I think like for like one of the only times in the history of our radio show I said to the people on the show and this would have been twenty seventeen. So gangster, Pete, you and Ben here said, hey listen I know that you know it's a running joke with a lemming thing which I personally fucking hate 'cause which get into a moment actually I think it has created like this anti thing with the audience, which then impacts variety of business transactions which I will attempt to explain even though I know I'll become even the worst guy from being the bad guy but I just don't really want to talk about my. Son On the show I don't want to talk about, I don't want to cause I don't WanNa he's to me he's everything but to the world, he's just a guy and I don't want him I don't want him talked about, and if Doug, were to say you know the stuff with talking about John or you know nigger Greg I now he's fine with it but there are also in their twenties and thirties I mean it's a different deal the cat talks about Tyler and it's just a case by case thing I guess I am hypersensitive to it because I think I have experienced more of the hate stuff than those guys have. don't really know why those guys don't really know why either but just know that it's the case I think people in the audience know but it is the case and I just don't want my family exposed to like if I gotta deal with I gotTa deal with it and I've dealt with it for a while, but I don't want my family exposed to it and and so I was just in that moment that day talking about it, which was just kind of a lighthearted topic. And in the in the emails were pure just like this post on the fan page one, hundred percent pure and it comes from somebody who knows a great person but I'm just like I don't want to open up to hey, you ought to do this or you know that kind of thing which may sound really weird. I might not be communicating it well, but I just don't. I don't want that because I'm pretty comfortable in saying that I'm going to raise my son any other children for lucky enough to have any other children probably different than you know the majority of people I would imagine in. Saint Louis are. and I'm going you should raise your children how I which isn't what people are saying by the way. This is more of like how you could asleep this isn't like morals and stuff. But That's just my own. It's. It's a personal thing and I think it's I might be on an island and maybe I'm alienating even more people in this in this rant. But I, think I think it is born from. Seeing A. The hate that I get. and not wanting him to get it because of me. And so I'm already kind of building that like just the guy whatever he earns the earns and whatever. He doesn't Ernie dozen earn. But you know if you don't like me that's fine. That's the deal I guess. But you you know leave leave my family out of it and so that's and again, no nobody's ever attacked my family But. I just I have a feeling I that it's like the cash because you're got to coach Kit I go now I go I guess in a vacuum I would be interested in it but I know from what I do for a living at least at this moment and like I said I don't know what the next year and a half will bring but at least at this moment. I know that inevitably there will be parents. Who will be like Oh he talks about this stuff on the radio and we don't want that and I don't want my son to. Be Going. What in the hell's that about because I don't apologize for the stuff I I don't think it's wrong. And I'm not going to apologize for it but I recognize what the dynamics are and so you okay. Well, I, personally just want to keep myself out of that and not even present the situation you know. So you can go that's sad that you're going to get kosher son because of that or you're choosing that too. And I'M GONNA Kinda. It's part of the deal. You know I mean it cuts both ways I get to do something that I love and I've been very lucky to do that. So I'm not complaining but I'm just saying this is the landscape I recognize it and I know that inevitably it would be a problem. I can just picture like you know take your pick of whomever. A mother, a father going why heard they talk about this on the radio show we can't have him around the kids and that it would be a whole thing. I just don't want to I don't want to bring that into the dynamic. You're you're you're nodding passionately about topics that I didn't think you would really have any interest in those start talking about you on the nextdoor APP. What is this? Is that the thing that somebody's talking about like is that we talk radio show or It's kind of like a neighborhood you familiar with interest for like my friends will post the crazy posts from people. So what goes on there I mean if there's like a stranger walking down the street some late like there's someone I, don't recognize on our street and then all this is anything going on with the neighborhood. So some I mean some of it I guess is valid stuff but a lot of is just oversensitive over hyper-sensitive people losing their shit I will say this this part which I don't think this is a general comment that a lot of people probably can relate to. Is for so long like going back to like the late nineties. I have just been very careful. Not Be Very careful. Make it sound like it's like Paris Hilton. just very picky and like kind of like, okay. I don't like the person when I can hang out with them my brother. Both my brothers and my best my wedding and one of my brothers brother Kevin who's thanked at the end of every Ryan. Kelly morning after for no particular reason. said. There's a thing about me that if I don't like somebody. I won't even ever talk to them to the point that they wonder if they even exist he said this in his best man speech and my thought is I would rather somebody. No. I'd rather just be sincere and so I don't like you. Why would I be like, hey, how's it going and then find out that I fucking hate them they probably don't like me. So why engage in the bullshit I guess life is easier if you engage in the bullshit. But my point and bringing up with regard to parenting his I just choose to hang out with WHO I WANNA. Hang out with I. Don't want to hang out with somebody I don't hang out with them like. I guess I'm a big believer in that. If I get a bad vibe from someone I just avoid them. Yeah. Why would you? Why would you one like? There's some of the stuff and I guess I can't get too specific that I haven't been exposed to in a long time and it's not me directly but it's indirectly and has nothing to do with professional by the way and I'm just like, wow, I didn't know that Shit went on like especially once you're like in your twenties and thirties and forties like holy shit you know I haven't felt this kind of vibe since like south more year high school in Saint Joe Girls Like we can't have to south city get around you know that Kinda Shit and It's a whole thing and I'm just like I. Don't want to be around those people I. Mean That's not that's not who I would want to hang out with. With regard to the parenting element, you don't get to pick and choose, and so if you're getting that kind of Vibe, you just have to I gather I mean fuck I haven't been there yet but I'm gathering that that's the deal so I won't be able to be in the okay. Well we're not GONNA do that because at got it's my kids game herb kids school event or whatever the case might be. I don't know I don't know. So if we didn't live in Saint Louis I don't know if it would be better. from that standpoint I don't know I don't know but I just it's a it's a thing and and I'm sure people who have kids and then they you know have events but you know I'll I'll say this on the other side but I don't want that might not be fair because Doug has said, some of his favourite life experiences have been going to his kids games out. So I think I'll love that I guess they'll probably just inevitably a couple of people I don't vibe with a certainly probably wouldn't be fans of mine. But it doesn't mean like your fight is Kinda. Don't interact. You know at least that's how I handle things but then. I don't know then if you're doing something that people think like you know. I don't know what the right word for it would be I I've said this before I, think I said it directly to him when he was sitting here were you in here for the Steve Savard areas at a Seymour though Seymour was Seymour And I said, I said, I think people because your you know good looking successful guys been on television for however long you've been on at this point twenty, five years I think. and. He I think he's kind of introverted and then they would mistake the being introverted for being arrogant and then I'd be like, fuck? I. Now that I've gotten to know him, he's like not even remotely and he's just a really good dude. But because there is a perception in the is an outgoing and it's like, oh, he must think he so cool because he's whatever and then it becomes thing. So. My wanting to not interact with somebody's because I don't like you. It's not because. I think it I don't do I. Don't think I do anything special. Whatsoever I think if anything it's a complete disaster Let's see what else we have here. hit asked about this. Often I'm almost bored by but I know people sincere I just nothing's changed since about the rams lawsuit but all I can see those losing words. As I'm. Going over how do you see the team? How do you see the team Saint Louis versus the rams lawsuit playing out? long-term ideal scenario is a settlement. which allows Saint, Louis interest either an opportunity to purchase an existing team assuming one would be open to selling or allowing Saint Louis interesting and opportunity to purchase an expansion team if there's no owner willing to sell. This would be with caveat the Dome, would be a short term solution at the future owner would be expected to mostly funding stadium do time. Our new team would have a new identity and would stay in Saint Louis in perpetuity this would all be an exchange of the NFL, avoiding potential monetary damages avoiding a civil trial avoiding numerous depositions of very powerful people just want to get an update on your take on the matter. Love the show. Thanks great question was phrased in a different way. So I like my honest answer out of the gate is I haven't heard anything new in a while doesn't mean that that there's no the thing about this is. These are clearly professionals on the team Saint Louis side it is is in lockdown mode it is in lockdown mode, which is how you operate it is it's in lockdown mode men. I. I guess I don't even know actually after the fact if I can get into why I quote unquote no, it's in lockdown mode but it's in lockdown mode and I think that's a good thing because I think if they're like our GONNA lose it, they might be like fuck it we'll talk about it but that's a good thing. As far as the NFL giving Saint Louis, an option on a team. I don't know that I kind of feel like that M-, there must have been something to I don't think Taylor Twelve Min. Is is saying that without there being some kernel of truth to, and then you think about who Taylor twelve is close to. Are You thinking about it? Are You thinking about it? Are you thinking about it in Saint Louis Business? Okay well then then you can put two and two together. and. So. From that standpoint. I think there had to be something to it, but I don't know if that was about. Okay. Here's your hush money will give you a team so much as this chargers thing is an absolute disaster. But I don't know I don't. Then it gets into Dean Spanos. What his situation is. Here's something that is is relevant but not totally are you following the Washington football team situation at all I mean I've read about the name of the Washington football team just take in the morning is a late night. Okay. This is this is about the the the the near dwell activities that have gone on over the last twenty years with the team it's about the team's nickname. I mean from my standpoint. And maybe now I'm start maybe it's like when when Doug gets into like political theories and people go oh my God, you know like they're like he's lost it or they they're like great for Doug. I'm glad he's saying it de- It depends which will get into with all these emails that are in politics. But this is where I am on it. I'm observing this into me. It is. So clearly a hit job on Dan Snyder what's going on to take him out to get him to sell the team or to say you are not in good standing you have to sell the team for Jeff, bezos bazo visas to take over. Like it, just it to me. It strikes me as just like so obvious that I'm surprised it's not getting talked about more. But that's just like how I see it like it's The Washington Post owned by bezos always the one reporting the stuff they report the seven listen it's not good. It's not like a positive and that's something. If you own a business, you'd be like good I'm glad and yes, you always have to wait and even if you just have to eat shit, sometimes you own the business even though if you knew nothing about it, you gotta go well, I'm responsible and we gotta changes. Can't imagine he knew a lot of the stuff that was going on and it's like I'm like Dan Snyder Guy. I think Jeff bezos wants to own an NFL team and there are only so many. So that's what I think's going on I don't throw this at all I'm just watching it play out and it strikes me as like this morning Pete. was on the front page of ESPN DOT COM reading through gangster pizza, the wonderful DJ links and links and I go to dot com. Might not be there anymore notice NFL is now taking over the Washington football. Team investigation. And it just strikes me. It's so. Obvious what's going to happen? Dan Snyder is going to have to relinquish ownership or sell the team. And bezos is going to buy the team. And it just to. Baby I'm off I mean listen fire away I fired a bullet back in Shit I. Don't know April saying I can't imagine that the United States will have whatever the total was like on high end on from covid and I said I'll bet that all day long wolf I would bet I would lost and it's super sucks because you're talking about one hundreds of thousands of people dying in the United States but I just thought it was a play like. Okay, WE'RE GONNA. Say The death toll is going to be you know whatever is two, hundred, fifty, thousand people, and they know they'll never come close to two hundred, eighty, thousand people. So they can go well, see we didn't have two, hundred, thousand was a great success I was wrong on that. So could be right sound I. Know this I'm just observing this and I feel like that's that's that's what's going on this I could be off the mark on it. but that's my that's my theory. So going back to NFL conspiracy theories and how it plays out with Saint Louis. You think people in Saint Louis. If Saint Louis found out, it was getting an NFL team would be excited I'd be so excited man I would too I want it so bad. Part of that question is like I haven't heard anything about that but I would love it. I want to go in those games and I don't know if this is like a vocal minority who says I'd have zero interest in it. I just think and I think we got a little taste of it and all you want to talk about the thing that I think I was the wrong guest of in twenty twenty as the battle hawks that that that that'll aware that for a long time. But the battle hawks in what went on there wasn't just about the fact that the team was successful and had a following. It was about who went to the Games in the atmosphere around the Games and it was younger people. And I think that's what you know and you know I, don't know if they were thinking this in the nineteen nineties when they moved here. But the the rams games were just not a thing to go to now in in ninety nine and two thousand and two, thousand, one, two, thousand, three, they war because of the game because of the team. But. If you put that team and I guess kind of you're seeing here, twenty years later in Kansas City that kind of excitement with offense. Even the really what the chiefs are doing is is geared really toward one or two people I mean the rams had you know? A number of just be certainly talented players take your pick and then in addition hall of fame offensive. Lineman or at least one as things stand right now. In a great atmosphere I e Arrowhead Stadium where people go even if a team Shitty, it's an event. It's something you do that's what the battle I don't think people are going to battle hawks games just to go and I don't know how many people could name more than one player but it became a thing. You know I think it would become a source of pride in an event in. Saint Louis. Way More so than the rams and I think in part because yeah temporarily to play in the dome. But if you are playing a place that is conducive like arrowhead to tailgating, that's what to me going to football games. is about is about the game. Day experience you know I went to Notre Dame New Mexico and South Bend last year and I was kind of like why don't I go to war games and I couldn't Notre Dame's GonNa. beat the shit out of New Mexico. But it was just about like hanging out on a beautiful fall day. And drinking and fucking off and bullshitting with people and having a good time and it's a whole day. It's the I. Mean It really is the best. That's why go to many mizzou games as I can I just love the atmosphere. The Whole Day's fun. Yeah. Spend your tone sec there I mean this is. So I listen I would personally love it. I honestly honest answers I don't know I. The thing that I have been told is the NFL is stunned that it has gotten this far now that of course is coming from these Saint Louis Perspective, but I think they thought that this would. Just get back down and it would never have anything and so my honest answer is I don't know. I don't know if that is the goal of of this. But I would imagine that there had to be some kernel of truth the chargers thing. I, it wasn't coming from like a guy on twitter who really misses the NFL and is just trying to spin anything in convincing himself that the Saint Louis going to have it's Taylor twelve men and I'm not saying this to pump up Taylor twelve hundred take down. Taylor twelve minutes at all. I I actually he's been on the show. and he think is like class of ninety nine. Maybe it's saint. Louis you high but we don't know each other played basketball against them. Did you just I heard like the sickest natural athlete yeah. He's he's real thick like I took charge is like felt like a two, hundred, fifty six Talk. Calvin athlete. So anyway, my point is you know again, connect the dots where he's getting his. And then you had the guy who's friends with Josh, Kroenke in Denver with the whole chart I just think that there's there's something there. It doesn't mean it's going to happen in it's not the only team it could be an expansion team. I mean, you saw what happened when the browns became the Ravens in the browns became the browns again in Cleveland when there was a ninety nine and the Ravens started in Baltimore I, think ninety four or five. So it was about a five year window. I would love it and that might be the whole angle. The hope there might have been a whole play. I just think there's so much to this and I feel like I quote unquote know a lot about it. And I guess a half to just because I was dealing with primary sources throughout it. And had those experiences in those years that I knew something was up. And and a lot of the market was being told by a lot of the media that nothing was up and so I i. it's like it's like owning who WanNa tournament nobody had him Jim Herman, Super Obscure draftkings reference. But if everybody is looking toward Collymore Colin that week and you're the guy with Jim Herman, you have a huge effort on the field and draftkings. So I'm very confident that Jim Herman is the play and not Colin more a cow. So I'm over here looking at Jim I've got a master advantage on everybody else who's looking column workout and so throughout that thing, I'm like something's up I don't know what it is. I just know this is not what it is being represented and I have no idea what that means I just know what the people are being told is not true. So now I'm trying to figure out what is real and and maybe at some point we will find that out. So I don't know but if it results in an NFL team I would be I'd personally be thrilled gangster pizzas think Saint Louis to be highly motivated to show I agree with you talk with the battle part of the Battle Hawk. APPs a huge part I just under I was. So off on that I, it was an eye opening being thing. Did you see the new s-o-f-i stadium on hard knocks at all I have not I have not watched one episode and bailed on Knox, they just opened it up. It is sick. You acknowledge that it's very sick the scoreboard there by worth more than our whole stadium project. I. Mean it is. It's ridiculous. I will I'm just I'm so. The NFL in general I'm just like I have my brother Danny's always playing fantasy football draft. Okay. Are you excited for it yeah? I love. Like as much as I enjoyed draft kings, I probably won't even play NFL draft I just couldn't care less but I I don't know I'm totally withdrawn from it see I can't get into following another team that's not from Saint Louis, but I can definitely get into my fancy teams my second thing so I don't know I mean I. Don't know I don't know I don't know what else I feel like last year was doing it but now I'm just so detached I know I didn't play fantasy football last year. Hey Tim Kisa sins as a treat. Thank you. She was one of the pictures this week actually to look closely saw Abigail Mac but that's kiss ascends in the end in the picture question really is that is a fun picture as cleared US like that. Surprising. a few years ago when you did the Q. and A. With Joe Buck at the Improv shop. Would something along those lines work in getting someone like Quin Snyder to do a long foreign podcast interview I mean with people having to pay to get in would that sway someone like that to do an interview? Totally intrigued by Snyder's fulltime at Mizzou and how that went down with your style of interviewing, you might be open about it. remote might open up about it i. hope this makes sense paraphrase it. However, you would like that is from a fan page question I do not I i. if the Quin Snyder interview were to ever happen, it would have to happen. In person in a studio like this or if he's somewhere close for whatever reason degrees to do it I just I mean even though I haven't seen Quin Snyder and fifteen years I feel like one thing hasn't changed in that is he was always now maybe it has. But he was always just. I like I'm onto the next thing. I got I. Got Ten minutes where he would you know come on. It's Kinda like you know like it's for him to sit down and open up and on top of that he's a successful coach got a big game tonight he's got. Yeah, he's got a game seven tonight He's he's dragging like Rothfield in the Dow on the. Inca cleavage but nonetheless, God bless him the fact that he's now like what how old is he's in his mid fifties probably probably remember he's hired I think he's thirty two or thirty three which just Fox me up. You know the time you're twenty, two or twenty, three hundred is like, wow, that's old now look back on Holy Shit to think that you're in charge of that size of program taking over from Norm Stewart on top of it holy shed but with that said I. There's No way Clinton Snyder as interview the Improv shop I can give you a one hundred percent certainty that he will not and I would actually put it in the high nineties that he will never do an interview regarding his time at Missouri even even if he winds up becoming an NBA Hall of fame coach, it's just not I just don't think it's who he is. Although I think I've said this before the unofficial title of this podcast there was a time in two thousand. I was doing the show with frank whose model and that was very brief run two, thousand, three, or four. And I hardly knew him and I. I it must have been two, thousand, three Peter I told you the story. Came kind of tight. Will we had a we had a long phone conversation, but it was the byproduct of television interview just going weird. Like he like it was the only way I can describe it as this. He's sitting across from me the only person the room is my cameraman, and then we're at the hearn center and he's like leaning forward and I'm getting a vibe he wants to fight me and I'm not I'm not exactly not like verbal physical. And it's so awkward. It's so fucking awkward. It's easily the most awkward interview I've done and I'm I'm sure people are GonNa what about this? What about this one? I'm like? No because because I've never sat across somebody on I, think the guy wants to fight. And it's Quin Snyder. And and it's and it gets to a point. It's like after God I feel like we had one of these recently where I'm just like let's pull the plug. It's going nowhere. It had I mean I know it's happened before and you're just like it's there's no point even just like dragging out like this guy's being an asshole. And like he thinks he's being tough. I don't need it. I don't I mean I, guess at that point, my career is a different deal, but because I tripped drove down to Colombian. You know we would do the old the hour-long sports, Sunday things he have Queen Snyder thing. But I'm just like okay and I. It's Kinda pulled the plug and I guess I'm twenty six. and I'm like, all right. You know. Okay. Cool and I said hey right. And he goes yeah are you I'm like okay like what this is like this is like one thirty acquaintance and like you know somebody thinks I was flirting with her girlfriend type thing you know is this really awkward and then he's walking out of the hearns center with some Missouri Athletic Department people, but he's clearly the two pack of the Posse. And he says something along the lines of Did you Did you write that My Sports Information Department is not responsive to interview requests and I said Yeah I, did actually and he goes you got a problem with that. You Talk to me. Okay. Well, let's talk about this has been going on well before you were here the it and it's famous for people who've covered Missouri Athletics. Missouri fans hate to hear it. Then become like anti Missouri. If you talk about it now, I, don't know if it's still going on now. This is this is two thousand three. Nice. Yeah. It's it's it's a problem and I said, I. Don't think it does the program football or basketball. Any favors if Saint Louis or Kansas. City would like to cover the team and for television stations we have to schedule it out to drive down two hours into drive back two hours and a set aside the time to do it, and if we can't get responses, people would rather go screw we're not gonNA. Cover them. It's a lot easier to cover Saint Louis University even though the interest might not be as high. and. Any kind of he's cool but it's still awkward. And I. Think what happened was I called his office maybe a day or two later to try to like just go do you know what was going on? And he called me back and I remember was in front of came over you same place where it is now one memorial drive and drove all the way back to my place in Clayton. Was An conon Clayton at the time and the entire time he's just talking I mean the whole time and I'm like I barely know this guy. And he's just lighting up I mean this this this if this call recorded and played unreal sports, it would have been like a takedown moment. And and talking about. Huge names in college basketball. And why he's perceived the way he is and how he was wrongly perceived I said, Quinn I said, if you feel this strongly I said you ought to defend yourself and what do you do it on? The show with me and Kussin using Imagine Cusimano love and basketball's does he does you'd be in heaven if you do it on our show. Great if you WANNA. Do It on. another show. Great. But you're only you have a lot to say and you've never told your side of it. I would advise you to tell your side but I mean it's your your life you're making you know at that point I duNno. If he's making millions made one hundred, thousand dollars, he's thirty six years old. And And he goes you know what I'm. GonNa do it and he comes on the show with me and frank. And I think he was saying people keep saying all we do is recruit McDonald's high school all Americans and we should be doing better while we only have one McDonald's high school American. Do you know who it was at the time gangster Trayvon Brian wrecked big feet too big to move. Good. Yeah. He thought he was to be higher than that and he was La guy think and you had Paul Johnson from. Roy. And what happened then? was. Find. Interview He. He definitely did not come close to going into as much as was going in his rant and our phone call i. mean not even close because some of the biggest names in college basketball coaching still would have been going Oh, my God. What just happened I mean for Real I. Can I remember three like off the top of my head and you can probably do your guessing on I'm not going to respond no matter what but and and he certainly didn't do that. But what happened was floyd irons was unhappy that he didn't mention Jimmy mckinney. And and like didn't put guest input mckinney in that category and he and I I don't know how it happened but Quinn is texting wasn't going on then so we must have gotten back on the phone he goes you know what I can't win. He goes I'm done I'm not just can't win no matter what I thought I was kind of tell people my side of it and now I'm catching hell there and I'm just like I'm done I'll forget it i. I'm glad that I you know had a chance to talk with you about it but screw this. I'm done and so that was now. I'm not saying for the record that Quin Snyder was wrongly you know whatever I honestly I don't know a lot of what sounds like the most titillating parts of the Quin Snyder era were post two, thousand three. But I. He's just not a guy who has any interest in really pouring his heart out. You know that's just not who he is. Yeah witness Erratic Quinn. Behavior Columbia, at that time did you realize? Firsthand is like my buddy was up at so and so. You saw really doubt he'd WanNa talk about it, right? Yeah. I mean what? In the world I mean the whole the whole thing I'm telling you. Whether it be the rams stuff. And the Quin Snyder I'd love to do these things. But in order to have it happen, you have two people honestly talk about it. And, I get wipe in. Now you know kind of being you know. I kinda get why people he would rather just leave leave the sleeping dog lie you know and I don't. I'M NOT GONNA. What do I am fifty four I have a family. Now I've got my life together. I would imagine at some point soon, he's going to be move on from I mean if they can win tonight and he gets. Who they play by the plan. Michael Porter Jr. I know that. But who they who they play I'm I don't have a great show and then you have the winner of the rockets and the thunder. anyway and he's going to be a guy was going to get hired for a bigger opportunity than the jazz. That's my point. So why would he talk with his price? He got he got out relatively unscathed consider a lot of the stories stayed Columbia Yep Upside, it's just not gonNA happen I mean listen I trust me I've said it before my white whale at this point I guess would be like a Crock your demo off but within the realm of you know I might as well say well, I'd love to have on trump come in and I could talk with them. mean, it's not going to happen. Within the realm of reality, I'd say Quin Snyder but I would say that's probably comparable too cranky and demo off It's just it's probably not going who would who would be the white whale right now gangster pete like a a reality white whale. I haven't thought just because we're not doing interviews with not having people come in and I don't WanNa waste of interview over the phone like the Tom Brady Howard Stern interview that was just kind of a bottle. I mean someone you'd be super excited talk yes. Oh, you could get like somebody I'd be somebody our audience. So not not necessarily global, but our audience here would be like I. Love to hear from and in who knows when we'll be able to do it again. and I, don't know because we've done so many mean to get Jay Nixon to get Dave Peacock in in-person and these issues. we've had you know Jim Tallon Jack Danforth. I'm Mike. MARTZ would be interesting I. think that's a nice play. Marshall faulk would be interesting if you get them to open up. Okay. So with both those guys Martin Kilcoyne is a great relationship with both those guys. I. Don't have a relationship of any kind with either one of them. I mean I covered them but Martin has an actual relationship with them. Marshall would never do it. This is this is me by the way speaking from total hypothetical speculative but I speak as if I'm certain but I'm, pretty certain Marshall. Martz may do it and he may be the kind of guy who would open up. So you're that's a good play. That's a real good play. I don't know. I'm trying to think I love. I. Love I. Love these kinds of interviews, but it's like both with peacock in Nixon we both knew what the other was doing and it wasn't like any secret. It wasn't like some. Meta. Play you know Nixon's it's like well, I can't talk about it because the sued and he can't talk about it 'cause the sued but peacock said that going in. You know. Nixon were out there talking. He's talking with a friend of mine afterwards wars well Nico. Now, you know he asked about the rams thing and I just deftly swatted away time. It's true. It's great. We can kind of do an autopsy on the three minutes after it, but I can stance on Atlantis walked right on out. But still cool to have the former governor of Missouri in here talking about the situation and then getting into his idea with David stirred about how he met with David Stern and I think what he wanted to do was have Saint Louis and Kansas City splitting NBA team. And and he sits David Stern's office in New York. And Stern goes. I can tell you right now it's not going to happen. We still have fifty nine minutes. So is there anything else you WANNA talk? We've had I'll tell you with gene. McNary. Former county executive and with Jay Nixon we've had a lot of NBA Scoop for Saint Louis. I mean, like Shit, I didn't even know and then I talked to I didn't about the Spurs. True but I don't know about Let's see. We got here. All right. I. I. Haven't gotten any emails and we had so many emails from this week that I want to make sure that I get into some of them Okay. This remember last week's homework assignment gangster. PD remember was about burner accounts. Yeah, you're supposed to let you know y with the. I think I've done a poor job. If you have an idea for homework assignment this week I'm all for it but I think I've done a poor job. I honestly don't think I've done a poor job of explaining them. However, the results are indicating I haven't been able to convey it properly. The first homework assignment two weeks ago was not asking people why they support Donald Trump at all not at all because that would be to me that would be very prickly ash like what the fuck is wrong that can. That's. Just and I think people no I I get a lot of I, appreciate these emails I also was called. Liberal Kaku. Needs to stop watching CNN and an email I get that as well. But I also get I people who and I probably will read it some I don't know I don't have order that when we talk politics people think it is very fair. and I appreciate that I like to think that that's where it is and that, and a lot of these people are people who support Donald Trump but they recognize that the conversation is coming from a good place like I truly am interested. So the the first homework assignment was not, why would you? Why did you vote for Donald Trump at all? I don't want to say I like I get it and I'm thinking about doing the same thing because I'm not. I was asking this though because I understand people voting for him from a policy standpoint what I'm asking is this and it's really in general with any president. But since I don't think any other president that I can think of I guess the closest thing would be Obama guess. Had like this. Portion of the population and I know you'd always we can always talk about the thirty five percent who will support him no matter what. But of that thirty, five percent. I'm talking about like you know a third of the thirty five percent who go to the rallies who wear the make America great again, hats who have trump flags. that. That's what I'm. I'm not asking for somebody WHO's voting for them that that's not what I'm asking. So I want to restate the homework assignment 'cause I got a lot of well, this is why I'm voting for him and I get that I wasn't asking it and I don't want to say I'm not interested in it but it it isn't what I was asking, but I got a lot of those. It's if you are somebody who. Would fall into that category of having like. Proudly like dancing at the Donald trump alter my question is why because that I honestly do not get and I'm not saying it to be flippant at all I just I. I don't know if I would necessarily have understood it with Barack Obama either. So it's it's across the board to like worship another person. I don't get it especially however this one and so I wanNA have an understanding like one of the things they'll I'll say which I think there's something to it. it's not necessarily him. But. These people who did and I've got a bunch of these emails and you know how many I can re holy Shit I got that's but him. And one of the common threads was I like that he pushes back. In a way I think the pushing back is really good I i. think it's a shame that it's Him doing it because I think there does need to be a pushback. because of. It's just. I don't even know I mean, it's it's not accurate often it's not true often. It's You know not really highbrow it's You know I don't I don't know what whatever it is. And it's you know pushback back. It'd be a lot better came from someone that was a little more policy, right? Incredible man that's that's the that's the biggest thing out. So I noticed now biden's push back mode with his speech in Pittsburgh yesterday Pete Nye recording the September first twenty twenty for the record and then he's Like in the middle of like one of his lines he just like I mean he's I, think the prompter went down I on. Did you see this? Do you know what I'm talking about I thought clips. Wow. An. All it does is. I remember a campaign adviser saying I think it might have been David. axelrod, who ran Obama's campaign in two thousand eight saying the worst thing that could happen for a political candidate especially presidential candidate because at you're at the, you know the peak of of running for office. Is for the narrative that the other side is pushing. For you to do something where your campaign to do something that can be perceived as confirming the narrative. So in the case of Mitt Romney. Twenty twelve when they had the famous whatever percent comment you remember percent it was. where he was talking about, there is a percent that will never vote for me because they they need handouts whatever it was I'm paraphrasing could be completely butchering at either way it was a he it was a private donor lunch and it all it did was see he's only four rich people. He's a rich guy he can't possibly relate to me, and so then that was used against him in in two thousand twenty the narrative with Biden is he's he's bordering on losing his faculties. And so he's he's not in his basement anymore as it's been labeled speaking he actually goes out and goes to Pittsburgh not a coincidence I don't think it's a positive campaign that he feels like he has to go to Minnesota and I say that because Minnesota you would think would be blue. He's going to Minnesota this week and these are just meet observing things from afar but with regard to the speech I think the. prompter went down either way and it's not being bombed. So excited about Joe Biden I'm just observing what I think happened just like trump like walking down the steps a few weeks ago look like he was ninety five years old I'm sure there was a reason for it. You know I don't think that I didn't go well shit he can't walk down the steps now he says Weird Shit I was already there but with Biden. The par the pro I think the property goes out and he's just he's just he's just saying words and none of them go with each other and then there's sounds and of course, goes around social media and it's like see this man can't be president. And it's like. You gotta be able to you got to be able to riff the property goes down I mean shit anchoring weekend sports cast. The proper would go down you gotta be in your place to like Ad-lib through it and Oh, my God and all that did along the lines of the Romney. Thing was confirmed those who are wondering or already believed he was he was bordering on being senile and going Oh. My God here he is at a campaign speech the first time he's left his basement and months and and he can't even get through talking about cove. It makes really think about a debate like, oh no, though I mean the debate is going to be. I'm telling I mean it's GonNa. Be I don't I might walk away from the debate. Partially entertained. But then feeling. Feeling worse about the prospects for our country than ever before. I D watch last week tonight with John Oliver Occasionally they had this thing. He always just end now this and usually it's making fun of local news right up my alley because she marion Josephine is it a it was a clown show twenty years ago much less now but. The people who intro D-? Trump, for the delegates, I. Guess for their respective state and it. was. It's unbelievable. I don't know if we can use the audience insert because it would play well enough that we wouldn't even need to explain it. And then I'm laughing at it and it is hilarious and then but then you go oh my God this is where we are though I mean that this is what you know. and. Like Kimberly. Guilfoil speech which was. which was just incredible but it's like it's just like his family members were speaking and. That's that's what you can get an you're just going. So I'm like now whereas in two thousand sixteen, I would laugh about it. NBA This fucking. This is unbelievable. You know it's hilarious. Now I'm like I'm mad at myself laughing at it. Because this is our reality it is we said last week we both think he's going to win Biden's odds by by the way now, I his down to minus one twenty. So he was up to minus one sixty five like a month and a half ago it is now down to minus twenty meeting he's still a favourite but not nearly as big of a favorite wasn't trump was at minus one, sixty, five in February. So this has been all over the map just for the record. So yeah, I watch both these guys talk and I'm dislike. I mean. And I and I actually feel. I. Think. For the first time in my life like the importance of the election. And there's an indirect correlation with the importance of the election in our choices for the election and by the way, I wouldn't necessarily feel overwhelmingly better if it were pence versus Harris but I'll say this I would feel better I would feel better. I would feel better and I'm not a fan of either I would feel better. I agree with that you know what I mean it's fucked up. Anyway regarding the homework assignment somebody wrote in and get to it. I might not that that. The people who would be in that in that mindset probably aren't your podcast listeners and that probably is the case although I. Think there are some. but I don't know how how many the other homework assignment was and this was for last week. I gave last week was if you have burner accounts why? But. What I guess. I didn't qualify based on this one that I'm about to read is it wasn't about like having a burner account so you can. See You. Can you know? Like follows this person said I think they followed Jill Cassidy or something like that Lee Santer Joe Cassidy I get that I get it I think it's I. Think it's stupid but I also understand it. So whatever I'm talking about when you troll people. Like. That that's what I'm asking. That's what I meant I'm not asking about like a burner. You know. So you can follow porn stars or you know. Like when you troll people like, what's your explanation for that? I'm curious I'm legitimately. Curious. On that. So this was this was the response that I'm about to read here a Tam, regarding your homework assignment on burner accounts. I'm going to try to explain the psychology of it from my point of view I have a twitter burner but really I just use it as a forum to talk about sports and talk with people about sports and other things I'm interested in. Troll people or any of that So that part I can't speak to. But I, do follow stag stars and talk about porn general, which I think is a big part of it but the bigger part of it is I'm twenty three and I've been told since I was like ten to be careful what you do online as it could come back to bite you now. I'm not naive enough to think I'm important enough to be cancelled. So to speak about the use of burner account takes away a lot of that concern for example, had put in a job application that I really wanted but they looked at my social media and found that I filed Lisa, energy cassidy would that be a negative I sure. Hope not. But why risk it? Luckily I have a job at one of the big employers in. Saint Louis. But even they have sent out emails to the whole company giving suggestions on how to handle personal social media accounts as they view it to some extent as being representative of the whole company. Do I think it'd be fired even talked about what I do on twitter nope. But once again, my point of view why risk it is it cowardice sure. It could be looked at that way and I get it but I feel a lot more free to talk about the things that I enjoy openly. That's the main gist of it. Really thanks that comes from Shane. So everything he said there I understand and agree with completely same. That's the. Talking And that's the issue. So that's what I'm trying to convey my homework assignments about and we're getting so many fucking emails. It's great. It's helping. It's just. It's more like, well, here's why I'm voting for Donald Trump and I'm like I. Get it again even though I'm not I get it I get that I'm not asking about that because they're going to be fifty million people who vote for him. I'm asking about the the people who think he's the second coming and in disregard like things that are like not even an issue to be factually proven as false how do you? How do you? How do you not only? Navigate that. But how do you like this guy's the best and I I didn't for Real Truly I can't figure it out. It's that's why wouldn't understand it and I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonna read your email and shit on it. I really don't understand it but I haven't got one of those. I've gotten a lot of here's why voting for him and a lot of those by the way I'm not gonna read every one of them. Is couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton you know which is kind of what I think. I. Don't think there are a lot of Joe Biden supporters, I think they're not voting for Donald Trump. Got To tell you something more confident. Now, the Donald Trump is going to win than I was last week by the way by the way and I can't necessarily put a finger on on his telling you. That's what I. That's what I think as far as the burners Pete. Now we're talking about trolling. And because if you look at. Twitter for example, or even what we deal with Kasur on facebook like where somebody like it's like a sleeper cell on the fan page they've been there. They've been there. They've been there, and then they finally get to fire off their thing and it's just like what? What was the point of that? You know that's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to understand. And again I guess the people with dog avatars who like call People Lib. tards on twitter probably or not our podcast audience. But what is that about like what fulfillment and if you can psychoanalyze yourself? What do you think's going on there because you're probably going to have to acknowledge something that you know might be lacking in life And why is that because I would love to tweet. Bullshit with people it's my favorite thing to do but I'm not gonna I'm, not, GONNA we're not. We're not on without an affair plainfield and I love him play field. I'm out there as who I am and you're out there hiding behind a fake name. It's why the St L. Today comments or youtube comments or any articles comments. Our trash because people use anonymity. So I think it's a bitch move. and. That is why I mean if there's any story controversy in Saint Louis. For like we make light of the St L. Today comments but it's it's because they're they're fake names and so people can spew their bigotry and that's where you go and. Do it now but I mean, you already know what the comments are going to be, but people had to use their actual real names they would never say it ever. So you know in that sense that's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to understand what I'm trying to understand So, you know do we do with that? What you want gangster pdf anything on the burner account theory. Last week, it's a bitch move to go on there and just throw people at under a fake fake name. It accomplishes nothing. That's why I'm trying to understand the void reading the comments because that stuff it puts me in the. Mood it's it's not worth it. So I just avoid it like to have and I don't even know my twitter I I'm on twitter, but I don't look at my personal profile might have lost thousands and thousands of. vowels never tweet I. don't even know how to find it actually now I have twenty, five, thousand, eight, hundred, which stuns me because I barely tweeted at all. For. At least the last few months. and I would love to be I mean what happened to be able to reach twenty six thousand people immediately is valuable but I don't even mess with it because I don't want I. Guess You can do something where you tweet Pete. And you can block who can you can. You can block people will know you come definitely Blah everyone can reply. That's it. Only people you mentioned can reply. I guess that's a way to handle it. Yeah. I don't know I. Don't know who knows. I don't know. It's just so. It's a what if its downside play? You're talking about the Quin Snyder thing. Why would mess with it? When I'd rather bullshit with my friends and people I don't know how it's just and it sucks because it could be used but I'm just not there and I thought to myself I. Think. Had people say it on the podcast where I was going to get into it. But then you know why mess with an get into it for a day or two of them like how might all it did was caused negative energy and I don't fuck with it. Let's see what we got here. This one I thought was kind of I remember this this one came in and I'm like, okay, here's another thing I've noticed. How many people in whether it be fan page and I know you don't see the emails I get questions from the audience but. Like, they're obviously trump voters but they act like they're not what's that about I, guess. I. I guess it's you don't WanNa be called racist which I have to say is a completely reasonable position but in a private email, sound like I'm GonNa go. Up fucking racist have a good day. I. Mean I'm just GonNa. I just read them. But like I'm like the Fan Patriot sample, there's so many obvious trump voters who say they're not trump voters. But I guess if you're like, yeah, I, don't WanNa be called racist I, have to say I understand that but I think that's totally I think there's so much negative stuff. Attached to trump that they just don't want that associated. Yeah. We kind of answered our. Questions I guess that's got to be, but this isn't a private email and so this guy wrote this long thing was it was it was like having a you know. Like being in the Breitbart comment section. And I go and I wrote back was who do you think you're gonNA vote for? Trump, you know. Okay. So. So I guess my premise on is we weren't entering into the discussion from you know you weren't acknowledging where you are. You know you're. Saying that you're not a fan but then it's like you know but I have to I guess in fairness to him I'm not a fan of Joe Biden's. I think I might have been a fan of I would call it a fan but I would have been more apt to vote for him a while ago. Not Now. and I'm going to vote for him. So you know I guess maybe that's not fair. So fuck me that is official fuck me moment of the of the podcast. As, well, let's see I. Think this one is pretty good with regarding to the question. Sub Tim and smoke so. I write this email from both of your respective old stomping grounds here in Komo I. Am a PhD Student Slash Instructor at. Mizzou in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences for what it's worth. I find the strode casts on the Hilarious me too and I'd love to call in some time to give our orange. A little friend business is to keep this short as possible. So here are the reasons in descending order. I'm a Maga- guy. Number one trump was not a career politician number two trump did not represent more of the same as Hillary Clinton did and in fact, represented radical change to our economy through trade deals in efforts to bring companies back to the US to expand on this point, my family and I suffered during the Obama presidency both financially as well as losing healthcare benefits we worked hard for do to Obamacare I. Say this is someone who voted for Obama number three trump representative end the PC culture at the time that was nurtured under the Obama Administration is brashness. And Willingness To tweet whatever the hell he once I find refreshing even when I know it's complete bs as a white male felt the PC culture and the radicalization of, for example, the me too movement was becoming suffocating and that's why trump's off the cuff P C police be damned attitude I find enjoyable number four, Hillary, Clinton just a vile person I believe we share common ground here we probably disagree on most of these points but I appreciate the question you asked and felt compelled to respond. It's nice to hear a different perspective other than the ones. is known I. Hope this response helps in your trying to understand the other side to quickly respond to the burner account question. This guy's full service I don't have burner accounts, and in fact, I have gone largely silent social media across the board in the last few weeks giving my station in life the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. And as a gentleman in his late thirties, I've matured enough to understand that there's no issue responding to that would risk my job and career I. Actually look back at the last thing I comment on passionately and funny enough it was Mike. McCain's decision to Pat Pitch Walk in Game Five, the giants in twenty fourteen social media. These days is simply a way to keep up with friends especially those no longer residing in Coamo. Thanks for taking the time to read this and also thanks for keeping me sane everyday listening to the podcast, and of course, as I navigate life in quote university best and gives his name. I guess we can read it. I don't know, but it's the point. Really he's. He's been pretty specific though, but he gives his full name. Just air in the Santa. Caution there. As always I'm sorry. SHOELACE got caught in my chair and it was torturing me. All right. So yeah, y y read the name actually agree with four of his point I that's the best email I received on the topic the minus the I mean the. Trump goes too far with saint wherever he wants but I mean you can't dispute. He was not a career politician that's just a fact trump did not represent more of the same I understand that premise to Spanish point my in. So if you suffer during the Obama Presidency. Then I i. don't know I. Mean I. Guess Maybe some people did I, you know the the economy actually if you look at the numbers I know sometimes that's You know inconvenient but you know. was. Successful time in American history especially considering where things were in two, thousand eight but the healthcare thing you know he's speaking firsthand wouldn't be right to say, Oh, I think you're making that up I. Mean I think the sky came to the table with sincere points. I remember having a conversation with. Somebody Pete. It was my guess I shouldn't go into where it was because my giveaway who was even though it's not a big deal but and the person goes is going we're just of bullshitting and it must have been. It's probably two, thousand, twelve actually he goes. I don't want my friends would probably give me for this but. I don't know about you. But I had a pretty good last four years. I don't know why people are hating on Barack. Obama And I I don't know. You know I'm like I'M GONNA. Vote for him two thousand twelve. but it was kind of like, I, know we're being told the economy's bad and he's bad president but I'm kind of go in this thing is. You know from my standpoint I think he's a good man and it's been a good for years considering where things were. but you know, hey, man that's not across the board, and if you view the president is playing a large role in it than just like. Many people voting for Biden I wouldn't vote for the person or for the person you perceive as carrying the torch for your administration has people some viewed Hillary Clinton doing number three trump represent an end to the PC culture at the time that was nurtured under the Obama that one I disagree with. But I know a lot of people don't feel that way and by that I mean a lot of people would say that the PC culture was nurtured under Barack Obama. I didn't feel that I just didn't. I. Just didn't see it that way at all actually Did you did you feel that way felt that going that way for sure and and what do you think he was doing that was doing oh I'm not necessarily saying bombs fault but just the PC culture started to build during that time. Yeah. I just don't think that I guess that I guess what I'm saying is I don't see how he The PC culture was worse than ever now the PC. You thing that movie with who the fuck was the guy. And Say Look up what you said it's GonNa drive me up a wall who was. Jeremy Piven. Jeremy. piven. That's like I know I can think of this look and I think that was like in ninety one, ninety, two, ninety, three, I mean George H W Bush was in office for most of that you know I mean was he mr pc I mean it just kind of. An en- Reagan before him I. Don't I don't. I don't believe the president is but I mean I I. I agree with him I. Think he was getting to a point where it was like it was like people were uncomfortable to say what they felt I agree with that I just don't think that he was respond. No I don't think he's similarly. People being assholes on social media because the president asshole and social media people been assholes on social media. Well, before he was around the people give the president a lot more credit for setting. Assist Angels Things so I mean listen I, I I understand the premise disagree with it, and then the Hillary Clinton thing I mean I remember saying i. Mean who knows I I remember saying I cannot imagine a circumstance in my life where I would vote for Hillary Clinton I think said it on the radio like years beforehand and there I was voting for Hillary Clinton and we had the circumstance. So I I like the email though I'll let me put it that way and on top of the person, put their name on it, which was really surprising in details on what the person does I. Hope nobody like Fox with. But either way well done, and that was that was that was that answered the question and I and also calls himself a magazine I'm voting for trump it explains it and it is a fan. So God bless the homework assignment paid off I, got a bunch of emails on it, but most of them were, here's here's why greetings Tim loved the show listened yesterday I thought it was funny that a listener said he waits to cut his grass until Tuesday's to listen to Q. FTA I the same thing. I'm a Republican and really don't have a good answer as wide vote for trump other than policy just as the person obviously he's a goof but again I'm in line with Republicans in my question Democrats is what is there about Joe Biden besides policy that would make you vote for him. It's remarkable. We're in the situation. Thanks that comes from Shane course except it's not Shayne Corson with the blues in the nineties. Yeah. He's not Donald. Trump. There's my answer that that's that's concise as I can be an again I'll say the same thing about twenty sixteen, it is not an enthusiastic vote. At all I am I am getting depressed. Over this whole thing, I'm getting depressed over the whole thing it's awful and Biden's got all kinds of policies. I wouldn't necessarily agree with, but he's not trump and I just think trump's bad for it's bad for our country it. Steers the wrong direction. But but I appreciate course. But again, that that gives another example people listing of what we got, which was mostly I. Why would vote in its nets now looking for it was why would somebody be you know bussing out the the red and white hat or going to rallies with the flags? That's what I'm asking like where you would do the both at the lake. Yeah. What do you think about I don't know man. They love the guy it's. Everywhere. I don't know I. Yeah I don't know. When I ask these questions they're not. They're not like only mock. You know like I like I've said before I watch Bill Maher. and. I feel like a lot of it's kind of like a disdain for. You know people who don't live in L. A. or New York I? Really do even though I find the show amusing I can understand why it pisses people off. I think John. Oliver is a hell of a I mean it's shit is so sourced. that. It's amusing and sourced, and it presents a compelling argument. both certainly are coming from the hard left although I actually think Mars so left that he's like coming around the circle and almost like a you know I guess he would say libertarian but he's certainly anti-trump March three funny. Oh, I mean I don't care I find both incredibly amusing. I just think it's almost it's like like I don't know if you've recognize he's maybe doing what he he may view as caused a disservice by the manner with which he does it. You know like shitting on people who are religious shitting on people who are fat. and. You know and you know, and then inferring that they're dahmer they're racists. and. It's just like, but I think he's doing it from a sincere place I. don't think it's necessarily material. I don't and I think he's brilliant as human and as a comedian. But if the goal is to get this guy out of office than you know but I mean against the goal when it's also done as you're doing a show and you're making millions of dollars, that's that's that Oliver Caman Noise Being Bill Maher makes me laugh interesting elaborate on that gangster. I mean I just feel like hours nonstop shitting on trump. Then I think Bill Maher. He's a little more nuanced still have Republicans on the show I mean yeah. But dollar doesn't guests on. I understand he's just I find them kind of annoying. Yeah. I just rubs me the wrong way I guess I just find I just think it's very smart for lack of better term like I don't see it coming. So to speak see I feel like it's the same thing every week see I, I feel like it's different because it's not necessarily now recently, it has been but I feel like there's some weeks on Mike How's he going into like I don't even know there have been times just going Oh Jeez. What are we talking about this week? So it'll be ones right tap out of it Let's see. We've got so many e mails to. I'm trying to put it off where we have been. And I know I got a billion of them. man I got a lot of the trump ones. That's for sure Let me tell you. I'm going to do this I'm GonNa tell people by James Carlton Carlton State Farm Insurance Agency Three one, four, nine, six, one, forty, eight, hundred or go online. At Carlton Insurance Dot Net. He is my insurance agent and I recommend him to our audience in a major way three, one, four, nine, six, one, forty, eight, hundred or online at Carlton Insurance Dot Net and James has some exciting news to share for the Saint Louis Area State farm has filed a rate decrease with the state of Missouri. 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With Clay Travis there was a point where you seem to strike a nerve with him and he didn't WanNa give an honest answer about the business portion about kick. I would agree with that part right there. I. Actually that that's a good way to describe it that. There a moment albeit as I said in last week's questions from the audience where I felt like. Like I almost like Bob, costas and Vince McMahon who was at Armond Katayan in Vince McMahon where Armand was pointing out you know, hey, this is kind of and he now slap the papers out of my hand like Vincent Man did with and contain but he you know worse kind of like you could tell he was uncomfortable because we were kind of going behind the curtain and. You know in does he really believe what he says in tweets and so on and so forth But I I don't know I don't I honestly don't know all I know is we had a great conversation and later that night we had another great conversation and You know that's what I can tell you about that day number two, the homework guy who wrote in about his in-laws being Maga-. people and all the reasons resonated me with me in. So many ways I was raised Republican in legitimately liked Romney and McCain Obama winning didn't Piss me off but that's where I was. Trump's whole deal in two thousand, sixteen kind of opened my eyes my parents are similar to Chad's in-laws Chad was the gentleman or or last week. And unfortunately, we got into a row row row row. Thank you with my dad when we were vacationing in Santa Bella Places them, Georgia, and Wendy's wings are the best bottom line. I think seventy five percent of West County listeners can relate to Chad's experience with friends family inlaws, etc. Number three you referring to trump rallies is something like an evangelical awakening was a perfect description. It is really bizarre to watch. Number. Four I think Midwest cities like Saint Louis and Kansas City I live in Columbia boy gangster Pete were big in Coamo. Are So ripe for the influx of big city residents who realize they can get a mansion for the price of their small loft in the city I. Think this is the third time in as many weeks that I've emailed us. So I'm going to take a breather for a bit but I genuinely appreciate the political talk that you put forth. It's hard to find any discussion. There's reasonable. Not Ben. Shapiro or podcast. America. Level of partisan. Sorry for. The long email again, I'm going to take a break from bothering you think that's honestly we get so many and just go through them. Then I don't remember and I'm not saying that to be flipping like we have so many fans. But we we been a noticeable uptick and emails biggest one yet was this past week, which is great because we love doing it and I love the it is resonating with people and that's a great compliment. with regard to the what I think is an honest assessment of of the show that there is not a. There isn't like how can you like trump Biden's great. It's Kinda like we're senator going this fucking sucks. It's shame. And I don't know how this happened here are theories as to why why do you think it is which I guess is different than the way people do it. And this gets me into the political thing on TMA and then on the fan page. because we had a situation last week Pete. Where somebody wrote in and this person has since written a along email to apologize but I don't think he's doing it intentionally wrote in about. Hey the texted in during the radio show the reaction Jay's post on t. m. a. wow on like what a right about tma and why would there be some huge. We actually you know it's weird because Jay's my standpoint as part of the show. And it wound up being a post the J. wrote about. about the social unrest and and if I'm not mistaken, it was about the situation Kenosha I'm not mistaken and it was on his personal page. and. So we were searching for it on the air live and then rocky. Oh, founded on his personal page and right when I saw it. and. Go, Shit, I, mean my inner monologue was Oh fuck because I. think it was about eight thirty that I read it and this was the morning after the Milwaukee Bucks decided not to play and then a bunch of sporting events were postponed because players decided not to play Brat. While I mean, even though we're not really a sports talk show that's certainly in a normal circumstance would be a topic. We probably would lead with even though it's the NBA. And because. I am of this me personally you may disagree, and I'm not even talking about you certainly can be up but it can be the audience. From my standpoint, the discussions on politics on TMA. are a disaster. And I hate them. I. Don't dislike them. I hate them. I have I have never disliked hosting this show more than the last. Five six months. And it's not even close with regard to content I. Guess. The only thing that would be comparable was when the cat was getting his new bathroom in two thousand, seven Martin quit producer Joe had been fired and I was just I was as close as you can be too being depressed I. will I that's what I was at that time but it wasn't about the content it was about the circumstances surrounding the show. This has been. Brutal and impede is aware of some of the circumstance that certainly are outside of the show there is there is there is an element of that but the bigger issue is the content, and so I will see news in read news and I really would like to talk about this but I can't talk about it. Now. You can go why can't you and I I to respond? That's why I wanted to use this. This this format and weird thing that's also going on with part of and I. Think it's part of the fan page audience of of a wing of it though Doug and I have been talking about this doug and I actually have some really good conversations. The commercial breaks because Doug Modus Operandi is just block them. That's where he is and I understand that it does sound simple. But what Doug doesn't understand because he's not, he hasn't had the inside of Steel Message Board is responsible for the TMA fan page is blocking doesn't end it I would actually say it sometimes starts at a worse intensity. because then the people I actually had to tell a guy because it got so bad with emails I said, I've I've asked you before. In on I'm, not gonNA make a threat like to go legal. But just like I've asked you before to stop emailing me stop emailing me you know and and it's Kinda like next time I. Probably I'm going because it's just it's it's it's insanity. It's it's an IT's so You know it's just it's not healthy and I don't know why this goes on. They're all from burner accounts but. I the tough thing is is the audience. Isn't privy to what we see and impede Peter. You surprised I. Know I know you don't see my But are you surprised by what you? Because you do have the text inbox open? You see are you surprised by two years under your belt? You had eighteen months of non cova non trump biden i. mean nothing on there. Really surprises me now. Yeah I'm but six months ago we surprised by what you're seeing no, not really I mean. I see I'm not surprised by, but I'm so used to it. That's why I was I was talking to somebody who's in the business and I'm like Alemi, nouns hate mail whatever and this person goes you get hate mail and I go yeah I mean that's kind of like the it's it's essentially the cost of doing business. But most people who are listening to this have never received. Glad. But for for me and for probably the cat and Doug to an extent. It's been part of our wives. It's part of the deal you know like the Miss Butler voicemail for example like I can think of things like that in my career like we play it as a joke but we we get those things. and. And I get that. One sounds funny. But there are ones that are certainly hostile and can kinda scary. But the same time. It's essentially the cost of doing business. If you have a show that gains a following and you get into issues that certainly are don't have a universal opinion. you're going especially at a time like now when my God has there been an angrier time I I, guess the only present would be going back to the late sixties early seventies. So most of the listeners life spans this this is our first time going through something comparable to this with this intensity, I mean you take your pick of I. Don't know if you want to twenty, six, two, thousand, eight, you WANNA go the Iraqi war in two thousand, three I l.. But this to me is this is this easily there's there's not even so I don't even whatever's in second place it's not even close to this time and the tough thing I've discovered this about myself. I am at my worst psychologically when I have a lot to say, but I don't feel like I can say it. I see it on your face. Yeah. An and it applies in so many different ways right now. It's brutal it's brutal. It's brutal. It's brutal and I am and so So last week when that came up. The gold, not the goal just the plan hosting the show running point was to not get into the topic. And what I discovered in March when the pandemic became really a big part of the show of course, what else is there talk about at that time? I thought the discussions were very healthy. I really I actually enjoyed it even though you're talking about something that's horrible. I guess now with hindsight we. Know How horrible it is I don't I don't think many people would have thought at that time Pete and we started talking about I. think around. Cameras like there's a date that we played oster home on Rogan it was like March ninth tenth or something like that that we would still be talking about it on September first and by the way now on September first going well, shit there's no end in sight. It's just people have kind of like trick themselves into. Thinking that there is an end inside even though if you laid out, it's like there's no end in sight at least at this moment. That, six months ago. Now I mean we are essentially it's six months ago and I kind of expect that that's where we'll be in March I. Hope we're not but I'm certainly kind of thinking that that you know the the cardinals aren't GonNa be playing baseball in Jupiter or if they are, it won't be like with fans and all that. So with that, all said about three weeks into that discussion. It got really political in a got super ugly and the hate mail was at had level that I'd certainly experienced before I guess but not the volume of it and consistency and the the craziness of it. and. I'm just like fuck. We can't have this conversation because there are people who Are Just are convinced that it isn't real or convinced that the political agenda and whether it be my political agenda or Doug's political agenda, my co host who I know and have known since two thousand very well in Doug because we worked for five years of came over together gets called racist regularly by the way. And I know the guy and I also know what having that attached to you can do to your career. and. I don't want to be complicit in it when when you know listen. First off. I don't believe that Doug Vaughn is a racist. I can't be any clearer on that I mean to even like have that be put out there. Is is not healthy So he has a different political opinion and then it's just like the people were talking about earlier. To to include well, I don't want. To vote for, but they probably do but they don't Wanna be called racist. So Doug is on a politics editor for his political views but what happens in two thousand twenty you could call the racist and here I am I've known for twenty years. I'm like Doug hasn't said or done anything that I would consider to be racist in twenty years. Anything. do we have different opinions? Yes. But just because we have different opinions, I don't default click two he's a racist. But that's what happens when these discussions come up and they might not even be about race that's what happens but I realized the audience doesn't see it. So. I can't be mad at the audience because the audience reality is not our reality. So. So then the conversation on that topic, Doug starts talking about it the cats at home. So we can't see the cat the cat obviously usually jumps into conversations, but we can see him. So we see it happening and you can kinda like somebody put a finger like they're gonNa talk or something like that. We've seen him. We've done this for so long together we kind of know the patterns, the physical traits of you know when somebody's GonNa. Talk. Or even a breath you can tell somebody's about to talk. It's it's as little as that. Well, I can't with the cat at home I know I don't WanNa talk about it because here's my honest answer to it. I don't know everything about. Of. Course none of us know everything about what happened but I really feel like I don't know a lot about the situation Kenosha and I have so many different opinions about it but I know this if I give my opinion that would be perceived as supportive of the police. Ivan. Labeled a racist okay. That's twenty twenty. And then if I give my opinion of you know I mean at this point, do we just think like the black populations is making this up and this has been like an inside job that the the police thing is not you know is is is a problem is actually faking. There's truth. Coming from both places and it's nuanced is fuck and so I know on. It doesn't. It doesn't go. Okay Doug. Let me hear you. Okay, and then he stops after he says, okay. Well, let me what happens is unlike a podcast or unlike where you can ride out your thoughts it becomes like, okay who's GonNa win the debate, which isn't how I view things. That's not how like initially when I started the podcast. And had people in in the interviews were I'm just listening to somebody like Ed Martin who I just couldn't disagree with more. And I'm letting him say his things enlisting then asking follows but I'm not like challenging him like what you'd expect like if this were chuck todd and people are like, why aren't you challenging him awake? Well, that's that style of energy. That's not my style is more Howard Stern style of interview. You know he didn't bring somebody in you know when he had. Hillary. Clinton wouldn't go. You know your policies on this your policy on this. Let me get into you know, Benghazi? You know. That's I'm listening. That's that's where I am but I know that's not what most political discussions are right now, and so then I get called a coward because I'm not participate. That's the new thing. All your coward. An like. The honest answer is I honestly don't know and I'm not saying I. Don't know to like bail out. The truth is I don't know, and the other thing is I don't know how to convey what I'm thinking and it's a very important topic and it's not something to spout off about that's what I'm thinking and I'm also thinking I wasn't planning on discussing that was by design and then by accident and I'm, Hey, the buck stops here I'm the guy running point by accident, the topic brought up. Because somebody texted it in and then the person felt terrible about it. then apology sent another email over the weekend apologizing about it. But it became incredibly awkward at least I. Think it became incredibly awkward repeated. You think it was awkward. We'll awkward when there's Dead Air Because I. was talking to Doug's that's who interactive, right And, and but the cat isn't here and then the cat stop talking and I'm like, okay as he thinking or is he done and if he were in the studio. I. You know I, I looked over to you to see what you're doing and I'm just like you're on your phone. You know cause you make great reasons why there's no, it's not worth it to get in on. Which I agree with I didn't know if you just stop listening. Was Listening I. Honestly there was another time. It actually was a call. I'll tell you what it was. That's all the audience you and the audience obviously about three weeks ago. And I was sitting there and I was angry. I was angry not what he was saying he's welcome to his opinions. But. It's because I kind of I don't WanNa say lost control the show 'cause it's not my show to control, but it's my responsibility. Because of Doug wants to tie doug wanted to talk about it. I wouldn't go. We're not talking about it. The cat wanted to view on taller eighty wanted to talk about it. You know or back in the day when we had the Plow Hawk and he was given takes rocky isn't really a take? Smith but you know he gets involved in discussion certainly. The you know. Then, it's for me I'm not, but I'm the point guy and I'm like I know what's happened 'cause I know I see the spark. So I guess I can see the fire before maybe the audience can been that just comes. This is what I do. So I know what's going to happen. And when I saw when I went to Jay's page and rocky shows me what it is and Jay was writing he every right to write what he wants to ride on his personal page but never would've come up if the person intestine I'm thinking. Oh Shit because now we got it and now I know what's going to happen. And then then it would. But I I didn't foresee the awkwardness between. Doug and the cat. That I. couldn't I wasn't like. Okay. We'll talk about because he had not studio, but then it's playing look as the cat done I don't want to jump in on him because what people? You know and I was trying to draw an analogy to it but then it's like well, that's that's joking topic. This is a serious topic I'd like to hear your opinions on it and it's like my honest opinions I don't know it's too important and we start talking about politics on it becomes about scoring points it doesn't become about listening. And that's not what I'm not into that. I'm not into that which. You know if if if the game has passed me by so to speak because that's the way that the game is played now then that's fine. I had twenty years and it was great. I'm saying that not from a I'm you know it's just that's how I view it like if the game is you got to tweet all the time you gotta post videos of like yourself all the time and You know and give a take for everything all the I'm that's just not where I. It's not what I WanNa do this is not me me is my wife and my son, my family that's me. That's what I'm interested in I'm not interested in in them being slaves to me having to take on the cardinal game or a take on a debate. You know that's not what I WANNA do I have zero interest in that I have zero interest in becoming the next clay travis or Dave. Portnoy and not to say that I could. But it's just not who I am. It's not what I WANNA do it's not the maybe it was fifteen years ago but it's not where I am in life. So I don't feel obligated to have take especially if I don't feel like I have a quality one and a and in that case with that specific incident. I feel like I'm ignorant as fuck. So why would I throw some ignorant logs on the fire? You know we'd broken down the Kenosha situation at all on the show. and. So that that was the reasoning but it stood out more because you had the awkward silences. And Mad at myself even though I know that it wasn't done intentionally on the part of the texture but as the person running point, I, let it get away because at the end of everything it is my responsibility and then it puts an and I hate it. You know when when a guy I know who? I know is a good person is as we say every week I feel like an a plus co worker gets called racist. You know don't I. I have a real problem with that because that's destructive. Not only to a career but to a it's it's a real. That's a that's a bad thing. not fought a fucking obvious statement somebody getting called the racists of thing but I mean, it's a bad thing. So. Doug's it. Whatever on twitter or you know you may you may dislike it a lot. Okay fine. But as far as calling somebody a racist. That's a big thing and that's what happens when these discussions come up. That's that's that's the artillery that's fired and it puts me in a bad place when I see it. and so that is that's the mindset. With. Regard to happened on the fan page and Pete I know you are you know quite outspoken about your feelings toward the fan page iggy left it for awhile. Came back. Doug is a member but never is on it and the cat is not on facebook in general and the plough. Hawk get. No got sideways some people but he's still on it and Mike and Rocky on it, but doesn't really post much. So I think I've covered all the bases But But what happened Oh I asked poll question just out of nowhere like on a Sunday morning two weeks ago two weeks ago at this point now, sixteen days ago and it wasn't like okay. We're going to implement the policy I was just curious. Would you like to see politics removed from? The TMA fan page. And immediately overwhelmingly, the answer was no. No like eighty percent faulkner. No point here and I know the threads going off the rails we'll take the thread down. But I mean there are probably a couple of hundred votes and I got my answer and you know I saw the thread kind of get into a place like me take this thing down. So for me, how often would you say you read it? I know you don't post and I know you're. Active. Member per se but you read it or you not even mess with it I mean if I get tagging somebody tagged me and something yesterday. So as you enjoy a horse racing pick. that. So scroll through it for a minute, and then during the show sometimes on monitor it to see what's going on. But no, I never just go to usually Yeah. So I, mean it I lately especially, I, don't even like I just found out one of the guys who I know pretty well on their. had covert I. I didn't know until like the last few days and you know but I guess it had been common topic I. Just I'm not I'm not on it and I guess the reason is is because there's so many political threads. And I feel like even worse somehow over last week and I guess you could certainly say, well, Kenosha, the Republican National Convention it's all happening and it is the topic I mean. This is nineteen sixty, nine man or sixty eight Acre pick wherever you want to go with it. early seventies whatever it is just intense and so I'm like, okay I've got some time Annemarie is out of town I'm hanging out you know just having coffee on Sunday morning. And some time and I just I'm Mike Okay two weeks later I want because to me I'm like this has actually gotten worse in two weeks. So I wrote would you like to see politics removed the page two weeks ago was eighty twenty now I'm just curious if it's changed and it was like seventy five percent. Yes. It it. It didn't drop five percent it moved one, hundred, fifty, five percent. Now to be clear you know the same exact people that votes. This wasn't like an apples to apples thing. But it was a clearly substantial and that really surprised me opened my eyes and I want to be clear I'll say it again I said it on the radio it again it's not they just want to ask the that doesn't mean these things become reality because you have to then go kay well, if that's the case how do you actually legislate it has a slippery slope, right? I mean. So you know but the overall premise is that in two weeks. A huge number of people saw had kind of had enough. That's something else. And again I don't think it's exact. There's how many members on that thing seven thousand or whatever it is in you. Know I mean, the seven thousand, you know maybe six thousand of those seven thousand just go I'm never gonNA post and probably five thousand dollars six thousand don't even with our member of it and turn it off a long time ago. You know what I mean and like lake as post all the time every day stop so. With that all said. I was I was surprised by that result and then that led to a conversation but then it Kinda guy like heated about why aren't you talk with? I just I'm exhausted by it. That's where I am I'm Exhau- I'm Exhau-. I'm really exhausted by being accused of being a coward because I don't WanNa talk about it. I'm exhausted by going to a page that was started about our radio show that is now people attacking each other. and it's not all that but. You know it's it's an an and then going back to like I don't like participating in a discussion where he co host of mine who is not a racist it's called the racist. And I feel complicit. I don't like essentially being the the Ho- store owner of owner of something that brings no money but nonetheless owner of or host of something that. that. Is Complicit in like now we have Cunanan threads that are black seriously being discussed. And I'm like. You know I I gotTa wear that, and I'm not comfortable with it. And I don't like it. But at the same time I, know a lot of the people on there and whether it's because I've met them. I've communicated with them and I really do think it is a group of overwhelmingly good people overwhelmingly people. I don't like the page I agree with yeah I mean it really like cool people like people I hang out with people. In the group setting sometimes, it gets off the rails. And the net goes to something else. I said because Timmy Recap said I, think the reason for the vote shift is the lemonade and people thinking they're just gonNa vote with what they think you want. And I'm just like. I don't know if you know you have whatever the we go from eighty percent for no to seventy five percent for yes. Because a lemmings I would actually say that I think there is a healthy percentage of people there and I don't have theories as to how it's happened. I don't know how it's happened who are actually more anti me and if anything would go with the opposite of what they think I once I don't think that's what it was. and as I said, it had factors into business decisions because if you have people pulling against you. They can at least in their own world or their own bubble if they wanted to to make that which they don't like a reality and take you down and that's a real thing. So. I don't enjoy it as you can imagine me why would I enjoyed? I'm not going to hide that. I don't enjoy it is I don't know how it happened I just know that it's happened you. So you're not pc that's. Yeah I don't know why or how which is why when I earlier in the podcast I was talking about the lemming thing and it bothers me in the sense that people go out of the right to prove that they're not lemmings. And so then it's like why can't agree with him even if I agree with him and so I spent a lot of time in my DM's where people will agree with me because they don't want to publicly agree with me or my emails. and. It's just it's. It's not that's not to me. That's not a healthy atmosphere if you're if you're considering running a business. and you might think about talking up talking audience in general you might think fucking crazy. I'm telling you. It's a real thing whether you think it's crazy. I'm telling you it's that real to me that it is a consideration. It is not naming the only consideration, but it is a real thing. And I said who the fuck dog this is within the last day or two. I say so much. Pinos And I think it would I think people would go holy Shit I fucking eight, the guy but my God But in order to do that, like a whole lot would have to come out and I can't do it I mean I. Guess can but there's they'll be ramification can't do it. So you know. So you combine that. The the stuff last week and that is. That is this pizza. You can see it on my face audience can't see him I face. You'd see my face I am I am I saw in that political threat of what we know what to do with the Political Post said I said I'm exhausted I can't speak for Neil Allen, Craig. POLECAT. I can tell you this in case anybody is under the impression. Otherwise we do not make money off of the fan page we do not. You might say, Oh, you should. But. Even if we did, there is a split with caffeine us. and And his look at first not advertising over the place anyway. So you know that's it's just it's not. It's not. It doesn't impact my life you can say, well. You would be able to communicate with your audience and I agree with that. And but in in but I mean I'm sitting there thinking this like this. Here I am I. Know what I'm doing is in good faith and acting in good faith especially in trying to keep things together for as long as we have. And somehow become the bad guy and I'm just like how the fuck did this happen like it'd be one thing if like I was like fuck I did this and I guess people now know about it's on the bad guy. I'm going to have to deal with it. I'm just like I'm fucking bad guy. I'm tired of being called a coward. I'm tired of having Admin a facebook page. And it's just exhausting. It's exhausting. I know pitas exhausted for different reasons you know and It's just Exhausting. But then you still try to operate in good faith across the board tell people what you really think and so when it comes to some of these topics, the honest answer is. I, don't know. But it's not like shit if I tell you I really with. This I might lose my job. At is that's not where I am. The honest answer is I don't want to give an opinion if I don't really think it or I don't will pine if I don't really know the background on the topic, and so that is that is where I am and in the case of the The discussion last week with the box and then the J post and Doug's response in the awkward silence with capping on the phone at his house. That was just that was a steak. There's no other way to describe that was just a mistake and that's on me. I. Mean I know it wasn't intentional, but it was just a mistake and I'm the point person on the show. So you know. As I said, I said I'll talk politics all day long as we do probably seventy five percent of them are podcasts each week at this point are politically inclined in some capacity but because we're just having a conversation, doug style of discussing politics is is not my style of discussing politics but that doesn't make doug good and bad and me good and doug bad it's just a different style and. You might. Doug says things that aren't true or against the balls to say things it whatever whatever your perspective is, we have a different style on it. Now when it comes to how we handle TMA, fuck man, put me in a blindfold and I know where Doug is on the floor and I'm going to get him the ball and he's GonNa hit the shot but when it comes to politics We just have a different view and a different style of talking about it and I know here's a guy who's a great man who then gets labeled a racist or gets attacked for other reasons I'm just like and because I'm talking about it, you know so it just puts I'm just not comfortable with and I feel complicit in addition to then the fan page and Cunanan threads it's like, okay a police why are you pulling out threads? So it's just it's. I mean it's ten I. We had a long lane third. So. Anyway I wanted to explain it can do a better job. I think type talking about it then then by writing about it and I know for some people are like I don't know what the fuck you're talking about cutting my grass and I listened and so So there it all is a gangster pete any thoughts I really respect and enjoy your thoughts but I also know once we get to a certain point, you're kind of like. All right that's too much. We've gone too long. no I mean I think that your feelings are justified. I mean I'm more of the camp the fuck this people. It's that's and that's the thing. So Doug and I both yesterday and today actually we've had a conversation about it and I said yesterday call your racist and he was speaking psyche and it's not like he goes what is this block them you know I and I get it and listen I, and I'm sure a lot of people going. Yeah. Usually to I go I, get it but you don't understand what then happens. The. Then then email startup or the DMZ burner accounts on twitter and it's it's it's like you create, I give birth to. You know more intense shit that now is private. And and so does not go away or it's secret or whatever it is, and it's it's so it's not like it's a solution and it's it's not it's not A. Pleasant. So the the block them solution while it may sound good actually creates often times more issue's anyway I enjoy doing this. If anything it's therapeutic because I always say and you can email your questions in t- mckernan at inside. S.. T. L. Dot. COM TMC K. E.. R. A. N. had inside US Y'all dot com we did get neurotic story. I'm very grateful for that So thank you to Dave You can send yours in your questions or comments as well. Final sponsor to talk about today restoration of central. Saint. Louis, they believe in keeping the content fresh recharging the batteries and leaving the audience winning more. Here's a recent review by Jeremiah. Jeremiah Wright's I was told I should want my boss a seat. If I did there was a problem with that. 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Whatchu Doin' Jazz?

The Free Agents

43:18 min | 11 months ago

Whatchu Doin' Jazz?

"Jokes seem to land as you wanted any thoughts on that. Yeah you know. It's always tough. He got to know what's going to come jokes for them. What they like what they don't like the first time going through. I mean we're all this is all new for all of us especially me so trying to put my personality out there and you know if they like it. They like if they don't they? Don't Good Morning Swirl and welcome to the podcast on the athletic networks Thursday February twenty seventh. Happy Chilly Day. Y'All I'm Jay skeets alongside me as always. Tasmania happy. Chilly Day. Everybody I had no idea. Did you hope you brought some for sure slow cooker so it's not here but it's cooking somewhere? Excellent Trey Kerby. Hey Oh hey oh the international mystery taking it to the Max Lille brand and last but not least make the magic happen it's JD. Hello there isn't here we are. Your Voice sounded different. Yeah I know I. I somehow have picked up an injury from playing basketball to my voice box larynx. I wasn't calling at all that much. Work up this morning with a bit of a Scratchy throat while I think that just shows you know once you hit forty can pick up all sorts of injuries just from playing basketball totally trail. I often get a little congested. After playing a little basketball I had a little bit of phlegm in the throat this morning. Excellent just a little Little more than a little bit sweet Bucci Swig. They're not really coaches throat. There we go all right on twitter and Instagram. At No dunks Inc. We'll hopefully jump outside today to open up an old pack a basketball cards. We will go live on Instagram TV. I I don't know we might have to cancel it though this Under the weather got Inya. I don't WanNa touch the cards after you touch the problem where gloves. We're on facebook at facebook dot com slash node Zinc I guess it's official. We're now on facebook and you can email us your MBA questions and comments to know that the athletic dot com. We hit the beach yesterday to answer. Some of your cues topics included the NBA's best team of the twenty first century are six man of the year favorites. Kyrie Irvings Hall of fame credentials iconic. What if plays what. If moments sleepovers so much more always oblast go download and listen to that beach step in episode that we dropped yesterday afternoon. All right let's get to here on a Thursday. We'll start with a little true or false. I one we got more bad news for the sixers. Joel left Wednesday night's game against the cavs. He was ruled out with a left shoulder. Sprain he will have an MRI today. Keep your eyes on the tweets. There guys big man He held his shoulder when he ran into on onto digits. And you know. He went to the foul line. He was in obvious. Pain missed two free throws and he was in the back of the came back. Whatever he didn't return to that game so this is bad. Did he hurt his lair knicks as well. Well here's the true or false question who feed in Mary with the injury off of Ben Simmons. Back Injury. True or false. This seventy sixers season is IRAP combat. You can stick a fork in it. I don't think so. I think it's a pretty non serious injury with the way. I don't think it's a standard Joel. Embiid IS NOT GONNA play seventy games this season. It's got a slow the pace down. He was on pace for like sixty nine. You get slowed down a little bit. It'll be right in his range of sixty three or sixty four. I think he'll be back. My worry is he's not gonNA be playing. He is going to be keeping in shape the next week or two. That's that's my biggest worry but combined with the Ben Simmons. Sure it's it's easy to worry but they're still going to be no lower than six. Yeah even impossible for them to even fall out of fifth right now. Not that. That's good. I mean we know how bad there and the they did lose this game to the cast too. That's the other part of this. I know the bickerstaff bump is a true thing. It's a real thing. They're playing hard. They are playing art but still the sixers. You shouldn't be losing this game. I don't care if you don't have Simmons and you do have three other guys. That are paid a lot of money into buys Harrison. Al Horford and Josh Richardson. The combined for thirty points. That's it that's rough. Yeah you think the season's over well I mean. The season was not looking great even when they had ambience playing to be honest. Because I don't think they're in that top echelon of the east teams myself in the Celtics the raptors and of course the Milwaukee Bucks so this really just now sits in the back end to mention. They really now have to be desperate to make sure that unfold far away from that fourth spot. They must have home-court advantage in the first round like that's the best they can hope for right now no matter what have their situation plays out because even in that scenario they're likely to face the box in the second round so things aren't looking for them but yeah that was a wheat injury because there was no big collision knows more. He was just trying to try. Kirby really that big body down there in the pain. It almost yeah. I don't know exactly how he was able to injure it so better. Hopefully that means it's not that serious because like a little Stinger of some sort of looked weird just got bent the wrong way kind of I suppose I've been big time sixers backer. I'm kind of bent last holdout of maybe this team will be able to get it together at some point. Even I'm feeling pretty anti sixers these days. I guess the good way you can spin this is that maybe now Tobias Harris Al Horford and Josh. Richardson can really be empowered. They can really get some rhythm going here. The last twenty games of the season without the two guys who are going to have the ball the most in the playoffs if embiid and Simmons are able to make it back for the playoffs I dunno just seems like one of those seasons where things keep going wrong and then it feels like maybe they'll get a little bit better and then things just keep going wrong and then it gets a little bit better and then it goes wrong. Those seasons happen happen to the Lakers. During the Dwight Howard season with our season starts now and then they would lose a couple of games get hurt. Our seasons starts now. Our seasons starts now happened to the Celtics last year. Feels like it's happening to the sixers this year. Right and anytime you have to verbalize stuff like that. It's not a good sign because you should just be playing basketball and be playing well and I said the same thing about Joel. Embiid feeling empowered. When Ben Simmons went out if maybe this guy is going to be the number one guy and feel like the number one guy for the last couple of months go beasts mode into the playoffs and I understand what you're saying. What the Al Horford and Tobias Harris but those guys aren't necessarily even in those roles ever even when when Ben Simmons joined become back while embiid sort of has that role so I think it's just it's just a bad sign period and good teams. Just don't lose seven games in a row on the road and all that. Yeah the terrible on the road and they got lucky that the heat or actually playing pretty badly I lost the one up losing the wolves and having like a twelve point lead with four minutes to go somehow three run to end the game and Jimmy Butler. Just stop scorn. Yeah it'll be a strange heat. Sixers I if it to happen. Do you think at all and I know I'm jumping ahead here with this idea that like. Oh No Simmons back is really severe and he doesn't come back maybe this year who knows within beat shoulder after the. Mri could these injuries at all. Save possibly Brett Bounds. Coaching job with Philadelphia. As sort of well he doesn't have his two stars to superstars and he somehow survives like I'm saying in that hypothetical he loses in the first round or they get wacked by the bucks even in a second round series or is if they can make it to the second round. I think he's probably okay. I if you lose to the box if you if you guys well without one of them at least I mean if the bucks seventy games or thereabouts then I don't think that's too bad but I have a feeling that the sixers may want to look for an excuse to move on from brand anyway and they might have one here so he's had a h a long time. He only signed a one year extension. I believe anyway last season so they they didn't have a lot of faith in him and yeah he's been there a long time and the six out of sort of take that next step up to the conference sponsor is still time here. I guess what we were just saying right before we jump down here six or seven weeks playoff. Start something like that time to get healthy and put a little run together. Maybe Y- dangerous team come playoffs but every time you get excited a little bit like you said. Trae FOR PHILLY. Something else happens two steps forward one. Step back wait all the way around one. Step forward you know. Yeah I don't know I'm still like I remember the season. When embiid went out towards the end of the season they went on a huge winning streak with Ben Simmons right so they can always put together at any time and I don't know where they're fifty nine games in their season feels like they could still put it together at any time. Will you actually do it? I don't know the pieces just don't fit to me and you know a lot of the players that were brought in over the summer In Richardson and Horford got long deals. Tobias has a long deal so those guys aren't going anywhere so who's going to go somewhere out and brand ain't fire and himself. Something is going to change eventually so maybe. Brett Brown survives the end of this season. Maybe he had survived into next season. But it would be a quick hook. I would imagine next year of things. Start out poorly. I agree. I think they don't go into next season with the exact same plan. They lost the second round twice last two years if they do the same thing even if they get around. I don't see them going next year with Brett Brown. Elton brand will be there he likes. I guess he's modeling his team after himself. A little bit. Everybody shoot that mid ranger baby. Everybody's big and everybody is monstrous. But it's been the longest fifty nine games of any team right. It just feels like so long. It's it's been an arduous process. Sanford that's where it is similar. I've said this before it. Similar to the Celtics Kyri last year. Yeah it is and where? It's like the talents. They're still believe in them. Maybe they're going to go in in the playoffs but It's what is that what it feels just way heavier and longer for what already is a heavy and long regular season. That's never a good sign and maybe at some point you've got to be like okay. It's it's not the year and Changes need to be made. Maybe that's where we're at the sixers you tell us. Let us know on twitter at no dunk. Sanctuary falls on the sixers season being a rap. Here we'll ultimately find out. How severe this shoulder injury is to in bean if he's done for the year then. I don't have them winning a first round against Miami Heat because I don't think they're going to drop this crazy part. They're probably locked into fifth year like that. Yes okay bigger. And they'll they haven't given us a lot of confidence either. Neither have the sixers they have. They have one game at home against the Knicks. Some tonight and then go on that big four game road. Rescue the Lakers and the Clippers Kelly teams. Yeah Yeah and we know. They're not great on the road. All right keep going here last night. Jason Tatum and his beantown boys pulled away in the fourth quarter to hand the jazz their fourth straight loss. One fourteen one zero three. That was in Utah. Roy So neil moved into the starting lineup for the jazz replacing. Joe ingles though originally in the day it was reported that Mike Conley would come off the plane but no he started. He hit some threes but jazz. Lose again so I'm going to ask you here because of that whole confusion yesterday with the athletic all over this story about WHO's in. Who's out for the jazz and starting lineup and trying to switch it up. True or false Conley should be the one to return to the bench O'Neill in ingalls in and Conley to the bench. True or false true. I think so because Mike Conley has joined this team whereas Joe Ingles has been there for years and I just think Joe ingles plays better with that starting unit Mike Conley the fit has just not worked and I think at this stage of his career. He would be a more effective play coming off the bench in a role where he can score. You can shoot. He can still distribute the ball and this the most confusing thing about this though was how we heard. Originally it was going to be Mike. Conley going to bench and then it was Joe. Ingles like that to me really shows that Quin Snyder has sort of lost confidence in himself. Well I don't think I don't think he made the decision as we think. Quin Snyder made the decision. Somebody must've spoke out. Yeah because if the first report is that Conley's going to the bench and then all of a sudden there's this change. That Conley is back into the lineup. Either someone in Conley's camp who basically it was like. Hey you know we we got here. We WanNa be the starting lineup or somebody in the front office. That wants to make that trade for John. Mirant BEING TRADED TO THE MEMPHIS. Grizzlies for my calmly. Look good I. I don't. I just don't see why Quin Snyder would make this move. When Joe Ingles enter that starting lineup and things went perfectly for them. They're twenty four and twelve with Joe. Ingles in the starting line and twelve and ten without him. I don't see why did you take ingles out of it. It should be Snot as decision. The he's the coach. He should be the one he says. No this is. This is what I'm doing. Why would they change? I can understand. Maybe Conley's if you look at it from a zoom out you say maybe Conley in the starting lineup. They have a higher ceiling. Bright Dot in the past that you might need Conley Bala note if you're GONNA go two or three or four rounds into the playoffs and I mean part of it's gotta be the confidence factor too right. You don't WanNa Bench guy. Who is a proud veteran? Who is your big acquisition over the summer? You don't WanNa send him to the bench and basically say we were playing great when you were hurt and now that you're back. We're playing pretty poorly. Go to the bench. Maybe we'll be good again. Maybe that's Snyder's thinking if he is the one making the call ingles needs to be in there because he gets the ball Rudy Gobert and I think that that is the huge thing. He has the best chemistry as a pick and roll partner with Gobert and go bare just if he is not getting the ball on offense he's starting to take plays off on defense. There are clips. Where is you know? There's a guy driving to the rim. And he's there he could challenge and I mean he's had some fouls for sure in the past couple of games and Shirley he's watching those but that's not the Rudy Gobert that we're used to see and there are so many times he's open underneath the Hoop Mitchell's Conley's missing and there was a great role. Where calmly like threw the ball? Eight feet in the air and go barely got his fingers on it. There are times when go bears open that he could be scoring that he should be able to produce offensively as a role guy but only ingles. It seems able to find him. And if he's not getting the ball why would he be a hundred percent in on defense when he's the only guy playing defense enjoying just has struggled when he's tried to come off the bench this season so clunker assessment and could never get any sort of flow going really unless it's coming from the team ownership or the general manager? An agent should not have any impact on average decision and currently also does not feel like the type of guy. I'm sure he's got some pride and I'm sure he wants to start. Don't get me wrong but doesn't feel the type of guy it'd be like no. I need the ball took a nap. You're certain outfits like Al Horford. This guy's like anything. Do to help the team coming off the bench. Let's do that but but it's definitely it's definitely a bad look for Utah though that. That's what happened within a narrow two or whatever then make why would they even make that announcement either like and they told. According to the athletic reports they told players at shoot around that yeah commonly is going to the bench and see. That's why I think somebody else got involved. But I've I don't necessarily know I just think your team's playing well with one guy. I know they've struggled a little bit lately. But Joe Ingles is the guy that I think the difference between Joe ingles and Rudy Gobert as pick and roll partners is that Michael is used to play with Markelle soul and he gives Rudy Gobert. Zach Randolph. Yeah guys who can handle and score from ten twelve fourteen feet. And that's where he gives Rudy Gobert the ball and Rudy Gobert. Can't make things happen from there. He's gotta be missing him at the rim but that's where he should be getting not way out there and that's it doesn't work. Jingles knows where to give him the ball and they just listen. I think we're we're we're probably skimming over the Celtics being awesome in this game. Oh true and they steamrolled a couple of times like the jazz kept fighting back. It was a close game at half is close game at the end of third quarter there but tatum went on Jaylen Brown run. Marcus smart went on a run so they had three guys playing really really well and the jazz aren't and I felt like he was run. All over the place just tip dunks left and right and just being active and you know with Gobert just not one hundred percent in it. That was a difference maker. Yeah four losses. Since the all-star break has now dropped Utah from what was a very viable shot at the number two seed in the West. All the way down to like one game out of the number seven spot. That biggest swing here again. Just since the all-star break which is crazy so you're saying sounds like everybody's agreeing it should be probably the one coming off. The bench ingles in their Russell. Neil sound nobody has a problem starting to because their defense has been brutal entrance. Their best perimeter defender definitely especially getting back in transition where they've been wax or the last little slap makes sense now. It's GonNa be interesting to see what they do now do they. Just switch it up again and be. Okay let's try this or do they dig your heels in and say we can make this work in. Currently wasn't he wasn't brutal offensive. What's heating shots? And that's what he couldn't do really early in the season but this is wild. We were wrong. I mean look I was wrong I think most of us were wrong about Conley looking like the perfect fit for a Utah System. Like he's a guy that can play off the ball 'cause he can shoot. He's still up ages. A you know a pretty strong defender at the point in which he's lost a step there. I don't know how much injuries come into play there. He hasn't been all that great. It's yeah it's it hasn't worked at all shocking. And he's under contract for another year and a half. He's got thirty two million dollars player option next season. So it'll probably take I think but it is weird watching Conley just chuck like he gets the ball now. I don't know if there's a comfort level he just hasn't found he just doesn't have the ball in his hands as much anymore because Donovan Mitchell does join us and then when he gets it he just fires and some of the threes went down but the Tuesday he just he doesn't have touch inside that floater dropping lift. I Dunno it's glittering disappeared. And then the thing. Is You go to the bench and enjoying Clarkson's getting all the shots to just GonNa say that? Yeah that's exactly right. It's like where's the spot now for this team but again it comes back also to the defense and I think what you were saying. Trade is spot on the idea of like. You got like Your Guy. Your defensive player of the year here in Rico Barriers. He he's checked out because they're missing him and he's getting not touches and they got to get this going here. It's weird to have like three of these teams. We were so high on. I stretch their early in the season in Miami in Philadelphia and in Utah are own the slumps right now. Bad TIMING STILL. Six weeks like we said before the playoffs. But you gotta get it going. Turn it around here all right final one. Russell. Westbrook delivered another dominant performance in the rockets one. Forty one twelve win over the grizzlies. Last night rest led the way with thirty three points. Nine boards eight assists four steals in just thirty four minutes before the game. John Moran told reporters that Westbrook's play is taken for granted and that he's highly disrespected. So I thought this was a fun on true or false jobs right. Westbrook is taken for granted slash disrespected in a way. I think it's false. I think I think you're disrespecting him. Look like I think we've given Russ plenty of plot. Praise over the years. I'm talking big picture here. I'm not just talking the seasonal these stretch and Russell Westbrook. No Daddy's a been a fantastic player. But he's got some bad habits that have cost him big time in big moments in the playoffs. And I think this is what we have seen. Recently is a completely different player. And he's having much better results and so he's being highlighted in a different way but I don't think he's disrespected. I mean I think we'll respect what he has been able to do. As far as averaging triple double for threes incredible stuff but but isn't that a way of disrespecting him by saying yeah he averaged a triple double for three straight seasons and now he's playing the best. Well I think so because I think they're just two completely different stages of his playing career. I mean going into the playoffs. The last couple of years I remember myself thinking like he can't get out of his own white and that's going to affect his team and that clearly happened against the blazes and the jazz. You know where they he only one. What two three games in those two whole series and the blazers they swept blazes during the regular season? So so RUSS HAS. That problem is that he gets caught up in these little pissing contests within a game and it cost him so. I don't think it's disrespectful to point that. I think it would be disrespectful. If you say something like this guy's not a hall of Famer he's shouldn't be. We shouldn't be in the All Star game or not. So I think he's fairly righted but he has to now play the way. He's being playing in the playoffs. Almost Laka Dirk whereas like okay now didn't really change play but he just got over. The Hump Westbrook needs to get over the hump and of course. He's been to the finals a long time ago. But this is now a stage of his career. It's like a you a different player or you just the different regular season play. I just think this is the first year so I don't think Young Man's looking big picture. I think he's talking about right now. And some people don't think Russell Westbrook should be in the All Star game. We all we all had them. Sort of. On the periphery and Adam as and yeah. He's turned it on since then and he's got a special skill that I think are just appreciates and the fact that you can't teach motor and that's that's it that simple as that. I think Josh just appreciating him. Even back to his Murray State Days. He's been often compared to westbrook idea of that speed and explosiveness so that that makes sense that he would like a guy like westbrook similarities but Russ has played. This is maybe the best stretch of his career. He's twenty five games averaging thirty to eight and seven in the past twenty five shooting over fifty percent from the field. That's really the only stat when you talk about. Westbrook dens usually the knock against them. It's like yeah okay. Triple doubles thirty point. Triple doubles but your efficiency stinks. And all three point shooter Jack. Like five or six game. But he's cut that out. He's like not really doing that now. Already two attempts in two thousand twenty. That's it yeah. Fifty seven in January alone seventy four November. Stop Shooting and now that now that he's playing the way people wanted to play. That's why you're hearing that Russell. Westbrook is having the best stretch of his career and shot out to Mike Dan. Tony and Daryl Morey who decided Westbrook's good enough as a big basically as a secondary playmaker that we can go with all Somalis and there aren't a lot of guys who are six four and a guard that make that team possible but he the rockets were getting crushed on the glass. When Clint Capello's around Westbrook said I'll just go get them all and that really changed the season for the rockets because they figured out. Oh okay our point. Guards go rebound. That's Awesome I. Guess we'll go with that and it's worked out perfectly so far. We'll see what happens in the playoffs. Things change when you're able to scout it and you're not getting surprised by playing against a bunch of six seven six nine guys but right now it looks nice Especially if you watch that grizzlies game I know they blew him but like you know they're going to get a giant guy like invalid. Tunis Westbrook was on him like half the time and they just frontal I mean invalid. Judas is a guy that like. You're not really worried about the LOB threat there because he's not that athletic but he just plays so damn hardy fronts. And he's helping. And then they finish the possession by he goes up and gets a rebound amongst all the trees because he just jump higher than all these guys. So yeah. This is Is this really what happened with? Westbrook is like you know people are like with Lebron or a guy like westbrook over the years. I've just like what are you. Just go to the hole every time. Why don't you just drive every time? And it's like so not fair to say because if it was that easy they would do that. But it's actually it's taxing you. It's exhausting it's just not realistic but Westbrook is getting damn close to that. There was like in the second quarter that game. Let's healing five or six layups breeze attack attack attack and then finishing left and right. He's becoming as close as you could possibly get to what you just go to the rim. Every time man smart guy came when you can't shoot the three and it's increases Efficiency like you said everywhere on the floor and especially at the rim. And that was the worrisome part last series just look like yeah he'd Kinda get to them but there would be a center there clank clank clank. Just wouldn't go in in the postseason now. There isn't a center there. He's or it's a rudy. Gobert somebody that or Yoenis Valentine's that he can get around and they've what they've done I think is just given this team of real identity and now they have this mental confidence that yeah. We're GONNA play this well. This is our so. We're the only team playing this style and they feel good. Yeah GOING INTO EVERY GAME. The pocket rockets. It is weird to me. I don't know what it is here. Maybe just because he's been so dominant and not that hard. It hasn't but it feels like it's like veered toward this team being in a weird way. Westbrook's teed come on come on what people said. It was Paul Georgia's team with the funder last year. This is still hardens team. He's still their best player. But westbrook has had an impact. No doubt rockets were bottom five and pace last year now. They're third pace. Because Westbrook has taken the ball off the glass and pushing it will go go and you know. I think switching to the pocket rocket style combined with the Westbrook Energy. Like you have to play harder. When it's all small like west broadcast give a ton of effort to guard and to front a Yoenis fat on June us. Even fallant Eunice isn't a huge often threat. It just everybody is locked in and everybody is given full efforts right now is Westbrook for sure and Westbrook is taking back to backs off. So he's kind of preparing himself. You Bet on good point that he's that he's not going every single game so that when he does play he can give one hundred ten percent because he's not the guy who can who can pull it back. He has to go top speed all the time so that also appears to be working for the rocket. Yeah Kudos so the rockets definitely wrestling him for the playoffs. That's the first time in his career that he he's sitting games period and the first time sitting and resting has ever entered into the same sentence with Russell. Westbrook doesn't happen. He might be sitting some more in the next coming weeks. He picked up his MBA high fourteenth technical foul last night so if he receives two more he will be suspended for one game. So maybe he's got that in his little back pocket. They're not only back to back so that he gets for the second night anywhere. Say Hey mark possible so Houston five street. Now they're two games out of the number two seed and Yeah just roll in and I just want to mention one thing about the trae mentioned that. They're all sort of all have to play harder when you don't have a big like we've got a scramble. Got Rebound together Robert Covington. Who is he used to be six nine when he was with Philadelphia but now he's six seven the rockets? He's averaging two and a half blocks again. What the rockets in eight games. It's a lot of blocks for a little dude it's and it's infectious like they're all scrambling and they're all playing the same way and they all they all love. It can't wait till plus that rockets thunder first round game first round matchup could could I call it a long time ago? You were pretty high. Ought chances of winning that you've changed her to school. I think those high notes with all the fled Iran. Air Knicks. Yeah I think it'd be a good long series. I'll leave it at that teeth. Athletic is home to four hundred of the best sports writers out there and at least five of the best podcasters and we're all covering every major team in every major league in the US. Canada and the United Kingdom for instance. I loved Scott Powers. 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This broke yesterday the Charlotte Hornets Guard. Malik monk has been suspended indefinitely without pay for violating the NBA's anti-drug program. The suspension started with Charlotte's game last night and will continue until monk is determined to be in full compliance with the program. The Hornets did tweet a statement and they said quote. We are disappointed in leaks decision making that resulted in his suspension. As an organization we do not condone his behaviour however we are committed to supporting the leak during this time monk who had been playing actually really well the last little stretch. I know nobody gives a damn about the Hornets. But he'd been averaging eighteen points per game last seven which was getting going here. Indefinitely is the concern here usually. It's a twenty five game. Yeah so so this marijuana. Can WE Well I don't know if I would say it probably is. I'm guessing why wouldn't they just announce it twenty five game in five games for? Don't jump right to twenty five. I don't know what my point is. I don't think this is like what eating got dinged for and And Call INS P. Yeah exactly thank you yes. That's my guess. Complete guests the sticky. Yeah I I just think becky could be more serious. Because it's given that indefinite like weird phrasing. I heard. Yeah you're right. Yes but some in some places it saying if if it was indefinitely than it was not we'd okay. That's what I because it because it would have an assigned stipulation assigned number to that so we will find out who knows. There's a bummer. Because I remember when we were doing. Our preseason pixel or or questions we had one that was like who's a player entering a make-or-break season and I picked me monk being here in his third year he had been great at Kentucky. Shot the ball well there and had struggled in his first two seasons and I thought maybe it will be a chance. He gets more consistent minutes and he has a bit of a breakout and when we were talking about that he had the horns hadn't even picked up at the time his fourth player option. Now they did a couple of days after we recorded that. So he's he's got that four year five point three million dollars next year but again he had it going a little bit here and it was a make or break season again. In my opinion it doesn't help his chances. I know he's under contr for you bounce back from this and and we'll find out what it is and how severe it is. But this is still a bit of a bummer. A bit of a bummer. This is not a bummer reports. Guys court into the athletics. Shamsher Anya Warrior Star Steph. Curry will return to the Golden State. Lineup this Sunday against the wizards completing his comeback. Four months after surgery on his broken left hand. There's no word though on if he'll be on any type of minutes restriction but curry is common back this weekend. Hopefully great news for the Kirby Household. My girls ask me every morning. Did steph curry play last night. No still hurt. What happened to him? He broke his hand near right. So they'll be excited and you know it'll be good. Maybe Andrew Wiggins. We'll get a win you can't. When's the last time he won the last game? He won was January ninth on timber. Wolves beat the Portland Trailblazers. So it is honestly good though to get steph curry back. Because they'll make the warriors a little bit more watchable and they'll get a few games to see what he looks like next Andrew Wiggins to see if he can bring anything out of wiggins. You can't tell you that Seth Curry is planning and they know all about South Carolina but just not the same. They're more excited. That Bobo and also plays on the Dallas asset is concerned at all about this idea in a in a year where you're twelve in forty six in your by far the worst team. Illini obviously don't have klay like I don't know you still want to bring back hurry for five or six even though I know. Yeah why not? I mean. That's what Kerr said. He addressed this. Steve Kerr No. He's perfectly healthy. If the point is he might get hurt. What's the point of ever playing anybody? I guess the argument is. We're not making the playoffs. So are we not trying to entertain our fans thinking about the fans? Curry's good to go. He should be playing. I doubt he'll have minutes restriction because an injury like this it's not like a muscle. The hand beans fell on them right. Yeah wasn't that what you're right. It's not a strain in the leg coming back from a hamstring injury like that hair and he's always had the green light to shoot any shot but now when there's nothing on the line and he doesn't have clay he's GonNa be shooting from everywhere the clip of pull ups. Yeah I hope so pretty. Close Logo Pulo. It's the four year anniversary of him hitting that bomb overtime against a okay. See that's right. You just pulled up from basically the logo or just over at Saturday night games that was funny clip or the video that the NBA twitter account shared this week of Steph pulling up already was got me excited. I mean He. He was in rhythm from the logo. Yeah I'm ready. I'm ready to watch stuff again. Get some shots up in the chase center too. That's true. Remember the very first. Preseason game pulled up from Half Court. Complete airball eleven. Thirty one and chase center. You GotTa get used to the sight lines for next season when everybody's ready good point and it could be fun to see the warriors and curry plays some sort of like playoff spoiler in big games or teams are trying to get into the playoffs or whatever positioning possible if he can make the warriors who have basically sort of a G. League team if he can make him competent to win some games here with him and wiggins. I will say though espionage Matt Allen. Turkey had a good point. I thought had this year's draft class had like a Zion Williamson or like a lucre. Something like a bona fide star in the making appear to be at least you wonder if the warriors would alina little harder into like you know what? Just take a final six weeks here. We'll lean a little harder into the tank. Now they have a comfortable lead in that position. Anyway and the smooth dealt lottery odds you know help. Everybody's chances I guess you don't need to be the worst point to get that twenty five percent because that's gone now you're fourteen but I think it's Fair Zion. Maybe they don't rush as much. They've got five fewer wins than the next worst and honestly player guys like Steph. Curry is healthy play. Everybody was excited to see Steph curry this year to be unleashed he was a popular. Mvp because he was going to have no Kevin durant around no Klay Thompson for the first part of the season. People were pumped myself included to see Steph curry this year. So it's nice that we're actually going to don't lean into the tank. That's silliness final news. Here Lebron James Going to lean into the tank Lebron will miss tonight's game against the warriors because of a sore growing not sure about his Team announced this on Wednesday. Ad also listed as probable. He's got a sore left elbow. But I think this is more of a justice or playing. The warriors encouraged. That's fine Lebron's earned the right to take a game off whether it's load management or really truly earned it until year eighteen hundred. I think it's a little premature. Yeah I'm fine with Lebron brilliant and honestly Lebron has said and I believe in that he wants to play every game so if he's not one hundred percent. I understand him seeing this one again. I'm going to sit this one out because growing this. Is the groin. WanNa play every game. He doesn't know he wants to play but he had that injury to his growing last year. That cost him six weeks and basically ended his season so anyways going to tweak or twine he wants. China encountered a sore groin all year. Because everybody's honest Dick pic you choose. You don't WanNa play no look. He's played almost every game. Yeah I'm willing to take off the game against the warriors to get some more rest and he's they're gearing up for obviously what to be a long long ago want Lebron speak powers but they've done a good job of separating themselves from the nuggets and it's a five-game spreads so I think that there are a little bit more comfortable sitting. Yeah that's helped fair enough. Let's get to tweet in the night tweet over now. Wow this is an old old tweet. It's from March. Eighteenth twenty eighteen from all Izzy Han writer who says my aunt just pronounced larynx as larynx. And I'm screaming skies moving onto the actual tweets of the night we asked yesterday on Google. Twitter doodle pronounced larynx. What you got red vines or twizzlers. What do you guys think the vote was hardcore red vine? Yeah that's the American Red Vine then eighty twenty twitter thirty. It's twenty one country down here as well. Okay now for the real tweet is all that I saw. A poll depends on. Who's WHO's promoting these polls read by I saw was was running away with voting. These falls interesting boost. That's a great point real Gallup. Well skeets you mentioned that. Canada is twitter country. We got a huge Canadian audience. So maybe I results are skewed and get stuff all right. So those were the opening acts for the true tweet of the night which comes from Kirk. Gold's Berry yes. Who tweeted out the leading late clock scores? We're talking minimum hundred shots taken with less than six seconds on the shot clock this season. Who are the top five players in late clock scoring the guys who are going to get you a bucket when things break down? Chris Pohl no Yokich. Yes Nikola Yokich number. Two last six seconds of a shot clock and just scoring or or cyst as well. Yeah Yup Lebron number one. Yeah Lebron Yokich. We Look Lillard. James Harden James Harden of course tied for third with another guy who has a similar game to Damian Lillard. I would say beal nobile an all star this season. We watched him play. Last night had a good scoring game. Last night. Didn't get the win. However who Jim? You own curious. Liver novacare sliver. All-star how can I describe this guy and then he's the guy who gets the ball when when the team breaks down for sure Devon Devon also. He's on par with Devon's not Lou Williams not Lou Williams. Nope NOT TATUM tatum. This man is a first time all star. He's got another all star weekend trophy in his trophy case from last season new from last season. Yeah what did he wasn't an all-star shootout dunk contest. Two seasons ago two seasons ago he won the dunk contest. It's crazy that you guys have already forgotten this man Glen Robinson. Oh we. We talked about him earlier. This episode. Aw No no no no. No this guy's an all star is a great dunker. He's got the ball at the end of every game. If he's hitting his team is probably went in but they're not winning a lot right now. Mitchell that's right. Yeah remember Donovan. Mitchell number five a super surprising one. I'm not even GONNA guess. Julius randle getting buckets Knicks gotten to that one. Yeah I heard Alonzo trees name again last night Yeah Good Knicks Knicks. Lost again last night. Though right to the Hornets sure a lot of people are watching. Pick him results month of hell continued. I along task had Utah. Who are favored by four and a half at home Boston last game road trip thought. Utah might get it together. All those lineup changes nope tatum. Thirty three and eleven. Another great game from the Celtics. They got the W. hit the money. Line train lead. They win task. Got The else. Here's what we have already lost on February. You got a suggestion for the picking payoff tweeted in at no-dong. Hashtag no-jumps what do you want me to do to pay it off. But we figured let's do one more pick for months February. And here's why you guys. The three of you guys are tied. You're all eight and six so I don't have one more game doesn't matter pick but Let's see who is the best picker when it comes to the month of February here in the office? So what's our Game Tassie Wall? We talked about Lebron sitting tonight against the Golden State Warriors. They're going into golden state and their favorite by eleven and a half even with lebrons injury because Anthony Davis probable started a lock but probable and I would guess Draymond Green GonNa sit to. He's also gametime decision but if rich Paul says Lebron you're sitting quite often the rich Paul Breaux sit together so what you got in our car. I love my back. Yeah Hey in my bag. I don't want to get your bag up here. Which pocket you got all right so you got the warriors plus eleven and a half. I take the warriors to trade and also. Why not? Give me the Lakers. I'll take the Lakers as well. You're in trouble touching your pick right now. Three Oh brutal. That's that's the second game of the TNT double header the first one fascinating for TNT. Don't see this at eight o'clock often. The Blazers playing at the eight o'clock slot versus the Pacers. Just an interesting gambling and got nick sixers as well. Tonight and King stunner could be the best game in the night at eight o'clock that one's on league pass all right. That's it for us today. Make sure to check out the podcast on the the dates back to back hoops at Jason. And so many more you all want it on. The best sporting in the world had to the ATHLETIC DOT COM SLASH. No dunks to save forty percent on an annual subscription. Trust me it's well worth it new. Drop podcasts tomorrow on Friday. We'll see you then you heard it here. 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Georges Niang Interview: Rudy Gobert, COVID-19 & Utah Jazz

"All right We'll just we'll run the gamut. We'll have some fun. Go like forty five. George yes go with me. You got nothing to do so but eat as a stopping me from meeting. That's probably good for my career. Take TO LEGENDS IN BASKETBALL WITH OVER SEVENTY years combined experience. This is the Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman podcast. Nba Some college everything. You know looking to say what happened here when I was okay with it because it wasn't about talent I didn't take our let. Let's get right to it right now. Please welcome into the Ryan Goodman podcast. None other than the local boy who has not had a haircut in a while and we can't really him George Neon you need somebody to take care that mop on the top of your head man You know with my Iowa state education. They didn't have me pick up any clippers. Learn how to trying to practice social distancing jeff so just bear with me. I didn't feel like I'd have to impress you with my looks so I read the other day George an I don't ever try the bowl ahead trick. It doesn't work just in case you ever get a whim or someone tries to sell you on it. Don't do it that's all. I'm telling you wait that. Just don't do it okay. Vice right there well. It's a nice nice to get together with you here. And but you were a present at the creation George much wealth and you were there. We wondered if you can. You know if you don't mind walk through. I mean from the whole thing. What was it like that goes through that night and and take it from there You know as you know. We didn't know much or we don't know we didn't know what we know now Back when all this occurred I mean obviously it was looked at. You know as some virus that you know didn't personally affect any of us so we didn't know how to take it Obviously you know we. It was a normal trip. You know we just played Toronto the night before the next day we flew down to Oklahoma City. And you know Rudy had a cold that you would think anybody would have you know and nobody thought anything of IT and But obviously the training staff had gone in and said hey you just for cautionary reasons. We're GONNA have you tested for Corona Virus So the next morning we wake up shoot around no rudy And then we kinda hear rumors of that. He tested negative for the flu and different things like that and I didn't think anything of it. I was like oh I just must be a common cold that nobody can really test. For and Jordan Clarkson had called me he was like Nah. If he's not testing positive for those I I think he has it. And I'm like anybody who knows Jordan Clarkson and you're like all right Jordan Light. Whatever don't you're not sell to me on a bunch of knives and everything continues to be normal. We get to the arena. You know. Obviously we had been warned by our coaching staff. You know The organization you know. Try not to shake hands. Try to wash your hands hand sanitizer so we get author that everything's a little different when it comes to that and then when we get on the court you know everything's Dohrmann lineup. Get there and then you see guys in suits running out our as the guy starting to get on the court for the tip all and that's when I started to realize that I thought to myself as Oklahoma City saying they don't want to play ask because we could potentially have someone that has corona virus. And I kind of made it like a the thunder really going to be this petty and not played this game because it was a big game it was the four five game and if they beat us they move into fourth place. And if we don't play each other than you know knows what could happen. So that's what I was initially thinking. Then they send us back to the locker room and I was like I never happened in the game of basketball for me so I knew this. Could it be good so then you know guys are at a Davis as grabbed on our trainer. Like what the heck is going on. We get in there. Quinta merely walks in and tells us you know Rudy has corona virus. And that's when mayhem started. I mean all going off you know. Tv's in the locker room. They're telling us we need to wear masks. We need to wear gloves. And then I'm sitting next Savoy on Bogdonovich and he's looking at me. I'm looking ahead like the you have it. I stay away like you're to close to six feet thing. It was kind of like being trapped in your own mind stuck in that locker room for six hours. People were saying. We're GONNA get your Joe Hotel to get you tested but we know between us like what hotel is GonNa Take Fifty. Three potential corona virus Havers or or host. Just stay at their hotel. Nobody's GonNa do that so we couldn't get a hotel We didn't know what was going to happen next. We didn't know if we could even get that many tests to even let us You know get out or be able to go home. We didn't know if we're GONNA fly home. Guys were guys that have the money. Were calling private jet companies. Be Like Hey can I get dropped off at the airport so I can fly home because of us were thinking you know? I'd much rather be at home going through this than stuck in the city. No offense to the Oklahoma is out there. But that wasn't her first choice. We then get tested. Leave the arena to in the morning. I want to say it was a residence in that had taken us. They were empty in the funniest thing about this is. I don't even know if I should be saying this but the lady at the front desk 'cause we're all sitting in the lobby because we were thinking about the other night you spent six hours of somebody like shoot if I have it. You probably have it. But how are we going to get through this dog? It's anybody else and we athlete. 'cause we were wearing masks like do you know what we're in here for? She's Agai you know. I mean if I get it I'll be alright and I was like Dang like what what what the heck is going on so we ended up getting results at ten in the morning. And obviously we knew rudy at had it and we're all in a group chat and all of us were texting like. Yeah like I'm good. I'm good like once. I got the phone call. Obviously Donovan had told us. Yeah guys you know I track the virus I'm just going to remove myself and just try to cope with this and deal with this and I will touch base with you guys when I know more of what's going on and that was kind of like the sad moment of the trip you know. Obviously it was upsetting. That Rudy. Had it but we were hoping that nobody else would have it. And that's kind of the story of the whole night. You know we flew back we finally got some Delta flight attendants who have been amazing. They've done I chipped before but just to come get us and bring us back to Salt Lake and then I was stuck in my You know fourteen days People would deliver groceries Give him a skirt a hand sanitizer. I didn't even have to tip about when you guys heard that. Before with the media. You know with the microphones and your reaction was Well here's a tough thing is is people who know rudy no rudy right and how much of a perfect storm was that. He got corona virus and he had happened to touch Mike like I said before. Nobody knew how serious it was right. Nobody had no we. We've seen a bowl. We've seen SARS h one n one that has never personally affected any of us to be quite frank with you so I think you know what Rudy was doing. He's a jokester he's you know he's a prankster and was just trying to show you know. Listen this is getting blown out of proportion and I you know and come to find out it was something that wasn't and I feel bad for Rudy because there is not one malicious bone in Rudy's body and the way it came off for people that don't understand rudy thought of it like that and slandered his name and thought that he was being irresponsible where it may have looked irresponsible but his intentions weren't to be irresponsible. Everybody has those joking matters that you know you kind of wish wouldn't be put out in the public. A once. He had it in. Everything started shutting down like sports. Everybody wanted someone to blame rudy. Just happened to be the easiest person to blame. There's really regretted. Yeah I've talked to him and he completely regrets. That does that make him a bad person. No but we make mistakes in life and his just happened to be in front of the whole world is unfortunately going to be associated with this for a long time. That's just the way it is Good Sidetrack it's basketball. For seconds ago do Rudy. A the is continually grown in stature. This league With with shot-blocking banning particularly You've seen him for three years. What kind of progress of in game as a basketball player? Yeah You know Rudy Gobert. I will tell you this is probably you know. I'll tell you the story. He's probably one of the most competitive human beings I've ever been around Rudy is not the most coordinated right. We're not will cost a spade a spade right so you're the one to talk exactly overweight and uncoordinated. Jeff that's why they keep me around. I tell the good jokes But so rudy had just got a ping pong table. Putting his facility was the first year I was here and we are in training camp and he was like. Hey do you want to come over and play Ping Pong? And I'm like sure like do you know how to play Ping Pong Rudy? Your hand probably doesn't fit with the paddle and he's like no. I just been learning so I get over there and I mean like I'm waxing. It's like six games two zero one more on like Rudy. I'm going home. This isn't this isn't worth my time to sit here and play you. And so every day. After that we after practice he'd text me the emojis. The young kids do a paddle and pink. Calm and like question mark and I'd be like no like because in my mind I'm thinking how good could you one day and the next day paddle with the pink palm no rudy? I'm not coming finally on the fifth day. I said you know what fine. I'll meet you over there so we get over there and this guy beats me like four games to one and I'm like you'll like how did you get like so good. And he was like to be honest with you. I was so pissed that you beat me. Six Games zero that I made my TV cable guy play me after he set up the cable in my house. He's like we were there for three hours. And after that he pulled the table up and just started going back and forth back and forth and that kind of resonates because Rudy came over. You know here. He was drafted in. Kanter was ahead of a derrick. Favors was here also. So it wasn't like he was put into a role where he was just able to have the whole franchise which that he has now and it just showed me that this guy is going to go to extreme lengths when it comes to ping pong that he just picked up. Imagine what he's GonNa do for basketball and develop into the player that he needs to be dominant. I mean I don't know if we've ever seen someone as dominant on the defensive event. Obviously you guys have had a lot more time to see players in a different day ages. But I've seen guys literally dribble the ball and the paint in turn rate around. Go to the three point. Line and teams really are afraid to score. The paint against is when they usually beat us. It usually over the top. Or you know Rudy didn't have a great game protecting the rim and just think his impact on the defensive. End Any improvements. He's made offensively and he's only twenty six. I mean imagine how much better he's going to get with how competitive is grown tremendous and I think that's a tribute to his character in how bad he wants to be great. He's already wanted to defensive player of the year. I see three possibly four more with just his natural ability with currently no NBA NHL or Major League Baseball. You might think there's nothing about on. Well you'd be wrong. Bet ONLINE STILL. Hundreds of places to wager from their online casino to poker and Blackjack all open twenty four hours a day and all online. Sports aren't totally done. There's still mix martial arts golf E. Sports XFL and many more so if you're in entertainment you can still get an American idol. The elections a spelling bee. And even the Nathan's hot dog eating contest. Be Sure. Use the Promo code seal on US fifty to receive your fifty percent. Welcome bonus and your first deposit Bet Online. Your full access wagering solution. Now Listen George. Let's put it into perspective here from somebody that has Beaten pretty badly I mean Talia here beat the living crap out of you last time you were over here and Ping Pong. I think I was under the weather. The Levinger Twenty one. You're not supposed to say these things I thought you're on my side. Dad Can't get you anywhere it's OK secrets. Come out. Well the the. The story is years ago when she was a sixth grade going into sixth grade fifth grade. I said if you ever beat me a ping pong at your cell phone thinking there is no way in. Hell she was. I mean I was beating twenty one three twenty one five whatever and I was messing around with her a little bit and she was like fifteen five and I tried to mount a comeback. And I couldn't and next thing you know. I'm taking her to the store in Salem New Hampshire driving forty five minutes away to buy her a new stuff by her cell phone When she wasn't even the sixth grade yet so anyway I wanted her. She's got to go back to class by. Wanted her to make cameo here to say hello and into really show that you are one crappy pong plex good to see. Go get that pingree education and keep spending dad's money. I love to say as soon so you to George. You're you guys were. I don't know if you were the first. What number were you that? Open your facility. The jazz open the facility about a week or so ago where you like number one number two I think third or fourth I think and two other teams had had done it before we did. And what's it been like? Describe to me what the setting is like when you went in for the first time and what it's been like as some of the other guys have started to come back now. I it was a relief. I mean to be honest with you. I hadn't made the drive to the facility in so long and you know you're kind of anxious because it's like a kid in the candy store you want to get back out there and start doing other things that you were doing before but you can't You know we I got in and you know they have like a little ipad right. That has a face in takes your temperature from there. It has a poor lady. That's like your temperature is normal. That's the first thing you walk into. But then like guys used to walk into the facility sweats their new Nike tax lease. But now you're coming in like the clothes that you're going to work out and ask someone you know. We called the hygiene czar. Who was standing at the table with another thermometer. And you know a a checklist They text us a survey. So you're supposed to take your temperature at home. And if you had any symptoms or come in contact with anybody. Who's had Kobe? And you fill that out before you get there. So they'll check to see if you've done that then they'll give you some globs you can. You can hand sanitizer before you put on the gloves or sanitize the gloves and then you of proceed forward. Whether you're getting treatment are going to be on the court or in the weight room and for my experience. There's only one other player in there with me so I'm in the training room by myself while he's the weight room on the court by myself while he's in the training room or in the weight room and that's kind of how it's been and I have two and a half hours to get my work in and then I have to proceed out a different door which is across the gym with my mask on. And if they have food for us they have that they have the bag sanitize to pick that up. You're not seeing any of your teammates. Really no not at all. I mean from a from a distance and and literally if I'm lifting. There's a guy behind me with the spray bottle in a cloth. And every time I pick up something or touchdown he's going over to spray and pleaded off and on some of the other day. I was like the facilities were made for guys to feel like comfortable right otherwise we just go to like you know twenty four hour fitness in workout there because we go there to have that sense of privacy that sense of security where you know you can act the way you want. Have you talk the way you WanNa talk in that? I don't WanNa say it's all been robbed from us because people that have suffered illness from covid nineteen or or people have passed because of that's insensitive to that but it's like almost not even real because we can't experience that you know security in that ability to just be laid back of being in the facility not having to worry about the fears that are outside of our facility the fears of life. That is that it's just moved on. The road. Sure examined any proposals that they made about how you might you zoom play which include sequestering situation somewhere Orlando for example Regional that I mean you had any discussions with your teammates or about the viability of any of this. You guys buy in any of the season is GonNa go forward. I think I think the guys are are pretty buddy now. I would say that would have been in the last two weeks with Adam. Silver's phone call. And then Chris Paul being in touch with a couple of guys on our team in you know. Obviously I think we're GONNA play I think we're also going to take the necessary steps in the longevity or tie however long of time it takes to make sure that it's done the safest way possible. I don't think NBA would ever put us out there to be at risk or you know to injure ourselves so. I think there's going to be a time where we're going to be made aware that we're going to be allowed to do you know group workouts. Um whether I think they'll give us a two week notice and then from there on out. I think they'll let us know that. Hey this is the day where aiming for have teams come back and practice and then we'll go from there. I think you know they'll probably give us twenty to twenty five days as a team and then from there I I see the Orlando thing you know working out you know. Obviously we're we're going to be a bunch of millionaires at a playground At disneyworld it's going to go back to the days of where guys are hanging out outside other guys are watching other teams play. And you're just going to be in one constricted bubble and I see that being beneficial especially if no outsiders are allowed in you know by. Now I'm finally doing something about my weight and my hill. I studied Wake Wendy. I've already dropped about eighteen and I'm not the only catered perkins down about thirty. Two of the eleven thousand found solution weight loss. No care no medication. Combination Science attrition. One on one. I recommend you call age urging. You'll lose weight starting the first week and each and every with the to get to your idea weight. Get one eight six face during this luck virtual as appropriate comforts of your simply log into a awaken lot. Yoke weight loss. Transformation await your weight weight. Loss program was the red sox. Your juice you'd see if you can be a like a guest broadcaster when you're not playing seriously. Yeah doubt that would actually be good and I think what I've learned you know what the little experience that I've had is the more practice you get. You know the better you are and what better way if they could throw me in and not bring in another person playoff game. I put that on my resume that put me right above you right. You're already way above me. You're already way above me. Listen all I know his right here. I've got I've got some strawberries. That's what I'm eating here. I'm trying to stay healthy and not gain of weight. I don't know how you doing without your twinkies without your all the other garbage you eat your cookies. How many pounds you gained through this thing and have you started to kind of take it off your by getting back to to work over the last week or two man the first six weeks You know were tougher me. Obviously you know you didn't know what was going to happen so I was. Kinda you know living in off season mode like Hey. You know that. A one cookie. Why not three you know but then you know obviously you know you start to have hope in you you see A Vision in the future and I tell people all the time as a basketball player. My whole life has run on a time line so for this to happen. I've never had something where I don't have a time line in high school. I knew I had to be on campus for college in College. I knew when conditioning started in NBA. I knew what my off season was. I knew in Summer League started. I knew this was something I had no idea when the end of it was going to be to be honest with you watching. Cnn and Fox News might have been the worst thing I could because by that I didn't know if it was going to end by twenty twenty one or twenty twenty twenty-five so at that point there'd be some days where I'd be motivated and get up and be like all right. This is going to happen to be other days. Might Man. I'm just GonNa sit and do nothing because you know this is never coming back and now that there seems to be a timeline. I've got the gym for a week. And a half and dropped like eight pounds just by being able to be on the court and have physical training with the right equipment and that's been a huge step for me because obviously you know the the bigger I get the less of longevity. I'll have In this in this in this career that I have so It's been tough. It's been difficult but I think the fact that the NBA opened up the facilities is given a Lotta guys. Hope is GonNa help you know a lot of guys going forward to continue to better themselves. You know further season because I don't think MBA wants to come back and put out a bad product especially when they've waited this long to to get through. This pandemic go back to the basketball was played this year a little bit and a stunning announcement to some people who are listening but when fake ceased the UTAH. Jazz had a forty one and twenty three record. And we're having a pretty damn good seasons you put it out where number four and had home court. If they were to start that night you I just wanted to get at is you've got defeat. I saw perpetually under the radar you guys. Can you use that some kind of a nightly motivation or is that south not self pity but that self analysis among you guys what were you feel like we can blame people? What people don't you know he said well we'll show them nobody. Nobody takes US seriously but yeah man. I'm saying not. We don't get those go to do you get your proper respect. Is that something that motivates you guys used that word in discussion about where you pick in the NBA firmament no one hundred percent. I mean Bob. We're being honest. Nobody's really talking about us as being you know a team. That is headlining the West. It's always you know the Lakers. The clippers the rockets the nuggets have slipped in from that sleeper into that you know projected role and even NBA. I mean you know obviously you. People CONSIDER UTAH. A small market. And you know. Do we have the ability to bring in free agents in have that talent and that is something that you guys talk about and that is something that you know. Even our coaching staff would even bring up not on a consistent basis but I think the thing that makes us unique From anybody else's we have a culture that's built With the jazz and guys are constantly buying into that culture. That Quinn is set where you know. The strength of our team is our team. You know the fact that we have you guys that could be more. You know dynamic than other guys you know where we talk about Mike Conley Donovan Mitchell Rudy. We have guys that really complement each other. Whereas other guys have flat out superstars that have to fill huge roles. I think the biggest of the Utah Jazz. If you notice you know with the synergy between all of us in the years guys come in and play here and have the certain roles that helped the team win. It's not you're coming in to build your brand or help better yourself or look better and I think that's what makes us successful and I feel like we are turning the corner on getting to the point where we're going to be able to win championships in. I think some people think that we're further off But I feel like we're right there because to be honest with you Bob. I think we're closer than a lot of people think we started off the year. Slow and you know we had a five hundred record and ended up going on a twelve game winning streak and really kind of separating ourselves you know from the bottom a conference that being said You know I think that gained some respect from some people that are basketball junkies and and and really follow the game. But I don't think you know you're going to top the Lakers Lebron because signing that superstar that kind of takes over the whole organization. I don't think that's who we are in our DNA and I heard people say this before it's were not gonNA fit into you. You'RE GONNA fit into us and I think that's why you know we've had a lot of guys. Dennis was in San Antonio with RC. Buford break up which I feel like. That's the kind of identity and culture that were building over here in Utah. So I know who I pretty well Melo is get up steep prom you play it for mellow. I don't know Quin Snyder. I don't know just because when he was in Missouri I discount. It started to get into college basketball. Never really got to know him. You know he was kind of run out of college and he's got that kind of slick back. Lok Mike. Who is Quin Snyder? Who He is and what he's about. Yeah I I would describe him. You know I think one of his best attributes is he does a great job of one in the best out of everybody but can also take a temperature of the team in build relationships with guys. you know the first moment where or there's two moments I signed on a two way. Utah was one thousand nine hundred twenty nine at the time. There wasn't looking like they were gonNA make the playoffs. He comes up to me. Hey I'm Quin Snyder. Nice to meet you. I I watched film on your game. Larry Brown had talked to me. You just basically going on in the death and I'm thinking to myself like I'm the seventeenth guy on this team. I'm the last person you should probably you know. Be Talking to right now and you know he of like would have like small talk with me here and there and has small talk with everybody to make everybody feel as if they're important and they're part of something in the moment where. I kind of felt were everything like clicked and I felt like I was brought in by organization was our first game or second game of the year. Two years ago we played the Golden State Warriors. I had eight points. We ended up losing Tipped the ball in the buzzer in. We lost he. Text me that night it was like I am so proud of you you know. I can't wait to continue coaching. You and really had sent me a message that no. Nba Coach assistant coach. Had ever done to me and basically let me know like know. I believe in you now. Let's continue to grow. And I think Quinn does that with everybody and it's just a relationship that he builds with his guy is that are in his his camp and in his fort. Yeah he looks like the guy from the red eye. The movie with a crazy slicked back hair. Any looks when he gets to yellow and spasm but he's addicted to being successful and there's no limit that he wouldn't go to to be successful. The Guy will stay up till four five. In the morning you know watching film to try to dissect what we did wrong to make us look the best we can be the guy. I literally had happy when he was like George to work on You. Getting in the lane and using your face literally had me all off season workouts driving in the lane pivoting like doing small things that he felt was gonna take to the next level and to be honest with you like we know like. I'm not one two three four or five on this team. More like eight nine ten eleven. It depends on day and the fact that he's taking the time out to do that with me is just amazing because one fifteen or seventeen. He wants his guys to all be in check because he's be checked when it comes down to anything and above all that. He's a wizard with a clipboard. I mean he's he's done it overseas he's done in the G. League. He's done it you know in in college basketball and I think if people really want to get to know Gwen because he's Kinda you know behind closed doors and and Kinda he cares and cares more than people could even imagine but he's also going to push the limits. You never thought you could get to because he believes in you and if you're on a team that he believes in you I love your description of the passion because what his struck me going back. When I first discovered him as a player in insisted under coach cake is a movie famous movie called Elmer. Gantry about wild-eyed evangelists in the eight by Burt Lancaster. And he's got this curl his. I said it's Elmer Gantry. That's when I see Quin Snyder. I A good use my. This is a story that was told. And I hope I'm not you know ms telling this but the Stanford Coach k. When he was quince assisted by his sister. Who say he's GonNa make someone an excellent head coach someday but he's Gonna a really good compliance officer. What it's worth man and he's a he's a he's a great guy and obviously he's been through a ton of his life in. I'm just so happy for him that his addiction to being great is being appreciated in. I don't think people understand how appreciated he by this organization by this community By the guys that play from Even guys that are on other teams every guy that I've seen comes up to him and gives him a hug. Because I think when a coach coach gets vulnerable with you and kind of tells you his story and believe me he has stories from La. Mike Brown Atlanta's stories when he worked for coach K. When he played for coach k. And I think when a coach gets vulnerable like that because as you guys know not too many NBA coaches get ball. But it's more like show up. Do your job I go home. You go home what he builds that relationship with you over a period of time. It's allows a player to get comfortable and in this league. You don't have a lot of places to get comfortable so the fact that he can get comfortable with you and you feel like you can get comfortable with him. It's that bond that you build. That doesn't really get built in the NBA. Because it's more looked at as a business sometimes that it is a personal relationship. What's it like for you now George? I mean you're you know we've known each other a long time and you know first time we met actually was at Tilton Bob. So I'm interviewing New Orleans. Well they're playing pick up and and I was there to talk to New Orleans. Wayne Selden those were the headliners. So I'm trying to get New Orleans in between Games For a few minutes and all of a sudden I hear some guy yelling at New Orleans and yell at me to get back on the court that we're taking too long and I looked over and his chubby little kid and I'm like much nordhoff off. You didn't have Michigan Spelled the wrong way on your on your on your body at that point in your Gullit I seen that one. Hide it so anyways so it's George I'm like. Who is this kid like? What is this? This full pay kid yelling and screaming because his parents got money and wants to start up the game again so that will start paying attention to them. Does it lose a game like those lose a game? He's got these you know up and unders norlander trying to block his shot. He's making Maryland's look bad. I had never seen. I still say this day. New Orleans is a top five. There's there's the picture George. There's the picture of all Geez sight. I wouldn't even offer me a scholarship after that. Can you believe it so be be now for you? I mean you've had that chip on your shoulder is what I'm getting at here. Is Everybody's doubted you pretty much at every turn including? I think a lot of people didn't know you could make it in the NBA or stick in the NBA. Did you question yourself whether you could stick in the NBA You know it's funny. I was just telling someone The story the other day when I got drafted right you know I kind of did a good job and I was in high school. It was like when I came until I was like. Hey I just WanNa make the basketball team. Then it was like what's I made about as I wanNA play every night then after that it. Kinda got down to. I WANNA be a division one. I want behind Major. I want to be all American. I want to win a this or that and then I I WANNA get drafted. I never really saw past like getting drafted so I told him the other day. Ask when I got drafted? I was like fifty percent. I made it because that was like my end goal. My angle wasn't like I wanNA play in the finals against the like. That wasn't like it'd be like come on let's really Hone in like your your kid from a doing Massachusetts and fifty percents like I made it in fifty percent like okay. I'M READY TO GET BETTER. But that was the problem is I don't have that leeway in the NBA. To just be fifty percent body. And I needed one hundred percents be like all right. I reached that milestone. Like what's next. But I didn't know what to expect next. When I was in Indiana I was Kinda just fitting in doing the damn thing. I didn't know what role I could fit. I shot the ball well in college. I shot nine percent my rookie year. So I didn't know really know what I could do. So being cut and being sent down to the G. League Kinda made my career because it made me realize okay to get Outta here. I need to have a routine. I need to have something where I go in every day and I do every day. 'cause I'm tired sick. Don't feel good feel great. There's a job that needs to get done if I have this routine and you know my routine down at the Santa Cruz Warriors While also why I got a routine because when I went to training camp with the State Warriors I got to see Kevin Durant Klay Thompson Draymond Green Steph curry and we were going on a trip to China so I was lucky enough to be in there every day and the old warriors facility is out staying in the hotel and the facility was right above and every day at nine thirty without rhyme or reason Kevin Durant was on the court nine thirty nine thirty point zero one nine thirty and he was on the court and he did his routine for like twenty five to thirty minutes are every day after practice. Klay Thompson was on the same. Who and Steph curry was right across from him. On the same who during the sane routine drown was on the far court working with Mike Brown working on the same routine and in the whole time I was with them. They did the same thing every no matter if it was. We only had two hoops. Twelve guys were shooting at one hoop while Stephan Klay. We're getting their routine on the other. I guess just how it was. They were never stopping like we had just flown into China. And they're still getting their routine so it made me think like okay. If these guys are the best of the best and have a routine. I need to figure out something so I did that. I went down to Santa Cruz. I gotta routine and like I said before it just lets you realize like a job that is it needs to get done. Whether if you don't feel good or you're feeling great. You just need to improve one percent every day once you start stacking days on top of days on top of days shoot two three months go by and I'm like shooting forty five percent from three in the G. League a marriage in like twenty points in my team is the second best team and you know my agent calls me and says hey you know Utah is call and they WANNA sign you to a two way and it just made me realize like it's not GonNa be easy and there were days where I didn't think that you know I've ever get back and that I blew my only opportunity in the NBA. When Utah Siamese the two way you know I kept working and then got signed to a contract I back and I was like damn like all the heart that I put in. You know. It wasn't easy but it was worth it. You know it is because it's what I WANNA do and now I look like what the next milestone is like. I want to be a part of a championship culture. An organization a continue to build on that. Because I I know growing up in Methuen Massachusetts. I've never had anybody to look up to be like. Hey that's who I WANNA be like. That's who I WANNA be. There was Chris Ahrens and different things like that but there was nobody that like I got to be like. They were from Massachusetts. They took the same route that I did. And that's why I want to be like so I kind of like had to pay for myself. I think the thing that keeps me motivated. Yeah I I want to be that you know role model for that kid from you. Know the Merrimack valley area that is like. Hey I can't do this. Anything is possible because if you look at that Michigan picture of me. Nobody was predicting that kid would be played in them yet. Not Everybody in the G. League is therefore reason which is to get out of the G. League in their minds. Of course when really watched the be there? It's not a goal cow much. How possible is it to attain a team feeling in that context? It's tough it's tough and I think the most successful people in the G. League are people that can understand. You know what's going on. Take it for what it's worth right the G. League. Nobody really wants to be there but have relationships and it sounds Kinda messed up to say but manipulate those relationships to get people to do things that they think benefit them but also benefit you. You know where it was like if I wanted to report a man the way. Throw it though. Seems that I I nobody better than you because I mean nobody wants rebound for a guy in the G. League that's making G. League money. But you know you gotTa Cheat People Right Way you Kinda of a cheap people in ways that they feel good about doing things for you and they feel like it's benefiting them like you don't know how many times I said like. Hey I got you man. You know like just silly stuff like that. You don't want to say like a year old car salesman but like that's how it is because with the G. League. Nobody wants to be down there. Because I was looking up in Santa Cruz. We gotTA turn a Fan. Santa Cruz was just all bought in on the warriors. But when you go to Reno I'm played an old convention center and there's twelve people there knew you gotta muster up your own energy and obviously you know it's a tough situation down there but it makes you appreciate what you have when you get up here in up and thinking like man. I never going back down there. I ever go whatever if I have to fight someone. Kloss scrap play player. Gi One on one with my arms. My back I'm doing that because I'm not going back down there in New England. Kid was there any culture shock. You when you got there off I mean I love Ames Iowa now but who is driving down on ninety three. I could see houses off the highway and and trees and you know there may be a a burger king when you land in Des Moines airport and you drive forty five minutes north to ames Iowa you could see as far as the horizon on both sides. You may catch a windmill or a couple Combines machines out there working but you know it was tough for me on. I'll tell the story. They have A. They have a convenience store. There called come and go with a K. Come and go and you know in Boston. You know when you're walking it's kind of like head now like if you know someone you're not making eye contact with them you're not waive venue when Iowa. It was like everybody was like. Hey Hey how're you doing? How're you doing in my head? I'm like I'm from Massachusetts like nobody says hi to anyway. It's like what are you want like. Let's just keep it moving? At first I thought it was. You know they know this big recruit on campus. But nobody knew who I was. But that's just how they all worth. Hey how you doing? Hey how's it going? Oh great to see you. You don't even know me but that was like the shell that every Massachusetts kid has a what do you want from me and I kind of had like. That's all that's actually. We have that name for reason. You drop that guard and you know. Obviously that was that was kind of the point of it. You know I was walking into a situation where everybody was gonNA love me. Even if I snuck or not you. You play bad for BBC. You have guys like Jeff writing about you time you. You can't jump over a credit card. Yeah well I want to say that because I like. How did you get the? The nickname mini mini van the mini van. So that's funny I was in another rotation last year. We were playing Brooklyn at home and I just got in the game and they swung the ball over to me and I had a I pump fake by Rhonda Hollis Jefferson and kind of like hesitated and then had a chance to like wide open. Jeff I go up there and just hammer at home and I tried to go up and get off to dunk it and I like like lay the ball in the hoop and everybody on. The bench stood up when I was about doing. They're like Oh like what the heck I gave back to. The locker room guys are like like what the heck what was that like. Hey Hey hey listen I know you guys are all Ferrari edges over there and to get revved up really. I'm like a minivan need a couple APPs around the block. Before I hit top speed and then our sideline reporter found out about it and then it just Kinda took off and what better marketing tool than the minivan. I mean I think the best way you can nickname yourself or have a self-proclaimed nickname is if you're making fun of yourself as I. I know what I am and I know who I am can at myself and I think that's a a good you have like it'll be like can we get on some sort of mini bank commercial and like Danvers. At one of those. When you come back home was a dealerships. Hey Man Herb. Chambers is paying. Yeah listen we appreciate you doing this? We really do. And and whatever your snack choices just lay off it like I said go go. The strawberries go with strawberries. They're healthy. They'll keep you as then as you've been in years. Which and GIG get an ping pong table. Well yeah play Rudy. He he seemed to go. He had gotten a lot better in six weeks. My daughter can take radio at least and maybe maybe thank you guys for having me on this is a this is fine best. George appreciate it. stay healthy. Stay safe and open. We'll see on the court soon. All right sounds good. You guys take it easy like.

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Full Court Press NBA Podcast - Episode 139 -The NBA landscape after July free agency and trades

Full Court Press

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Full Court Press NBA Podcast - Episode 139 -The NBA landscape after July free agency and trades

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I don't know I I enjoyed it but there is a kind of physical toll I'll agree with our peers kind of on that point. <hes> you know what most days ten games a day not ten sequential but five in each you know in gem and those go back and forth but I was having so much fun to save an extra day but have you recovered physically from and I think it's important to like understand what the physical toll is. It's like the food at the stadium is absolute trash so you're not putting anything good in your body even if you're being responsible at night and then like you said it's like ten games. You're you know you're in a different time zone. I mean for me I I. I know that's a kind of like for me. Is You know you go to the Games and then you know most nights go to dinner afterwards and that's that's ten o'clock and even if you avoid the people you know trying to get you to go play blackjack with them after dinner. You know you're still you're still going to bed at twelve. One o'clock which on my body clock is as I live in the central time zone. You know that's like two three A._M.. And then I don't know it. Just there's a cumulative effect to all of it. That is like different that has nothing to do. I'd like drinking and staying up all night. It's it's the I think it's all of it and for me. It's I always take a I was take a full day off like three or four days in and just stay at my hotel for the whole day and like bright or something or watch the movie sit by the pool like I if you're staying as long as you normally do like it requires a serious like pace yeah. I tried to do one of those state hotel days last year and all took the ruin that was turned. The game on the broadcast was so god awful. It's so sometimes I think that those who were attending aren't adding to the equation that we don't have to watch the horrible broadcasts so instead that others don't get to go and also did you find the one food vendor that the switched out this year and had quote healthy food options all right yeah back equally terrible like my day was the wrong color reminded me of elementary school kind of stuff and we're not tied. This is funny initially right now. I think we're about to do like a several recap. I know we have nothing exactly but all healthy not fried. That's all it meant. The officers were terrible. They should do like a reality T._v.. Show I'm not into reality T._v.. At all so I don't know if I know my knowledge is like fifteen years dated or not just surviving Thomas and mack for eight days on their food. I mean like a doctor like check. You is Warren after and see how far downhill it's go and then to your comment as long as responsible at night what says responsible at night like Vegas Day exactly it's kind of kind of weird through slow way okay but we are going to talk about this post free to see in a lot of trades as well mixed in landscape Greg did a quick <hes> episode. I think the day the moratorium was lifted that we just hit on kind of really big things. This is before Qui- was even decided to where he was going so we're just gonNA take a huddle view of the landscape of the League. We're not gonNA like do raids of a returns action et Cetera et Cetera. Well we WANNA do is just talk about. Who's the best team now? or how many contenders are there some of those kinds of things so we'll dive in on that so first question for you Dane in each conference in either conference. Is there a clear single best team in your opinion okay now. You're catch me off guard is there. Is there a clear. He's doing the skipped. How many contenders okay no I can answer that? That's not exactly like a college math. Yeah I think so I think you have to say the clippers works and I wouldn't have actually said that a week ago until I had the time to like sit back after summer league and go through what the clippers roster actually looks like top to bottom and I mean in that that's what it's about to me is being able to the clippers you can go down like ten or eleven guys deep where you feel comfortable with not only playing them in a regular season rotation but you could see them being helpful or at least not hurtful pieces in a postseason rotation so I think you I think you have to. I think you have to put them at that place in the in the Eastern Conference. No I think we we're going to need to learn what this Philadelphia team is to to be able to like. LET THEM USURP MILWAUKEE. Are you talking about this. Are you thinking about this rather from a regular season winning the conference in that like most wind standpoint. Are you thinking about it from a going to the finals wchs standpoint yeah. I'm thinking of it right now. Towards the beginning season as there are clear best team in each conference in Syria answering the executive. I thought because even I was reminding myself as one of the things we're talking about are are there teams that right now aren't contenders but with the right movement season could shift them into the group right to that in a moment but at the same reaction you did so the Clippers Samir the best team in the West did a similar analysis to you as I try to eight nine ten deep and kind of see where teams maybe have caused by equal talent in the top two spot there so on their team. What is their depth look like in those sorts of things? The clippers would be the only thing that may be scratching my head. A little bit was how they're going to staff the four <hes> position the cross the season <hes> just because they're so talented and everything at every other position makes so much sense what they're doing but they bought into Michael Green and then always can shift up but probably are not gonna WanNa do a Lotta than regular season just because of the being in the kind of load matters he's wanted. Heartless is been a really up and down played last few seasons. He's been good at times just unplayable times but when you look at you know how they bring Lou Williams things in Herald off the bench and Shaimaa was so good for them last year and the broaden mcgruder you know it's just have more they have as much talent as anyone in my opinion right there with the Lakers with Lebron in a D and where the Golden Golden State typically we is when when they're healthy but just the debt jumps out at you every position not just a matter sometimes you can get to eight nine ten players but four of us players play the same position. The Clippers did well to go Elise D._V._D.'s position mission and again for me staffing the position just just where does the consistency come from <hes> anything like well they they. They only have thirteen guys on the roster right now so I don't know if there's still maybe thinking about adding there <hes> i. I didn't see an obvious I didn't do a deep analysis to this current cap skied but <hes> you know we won't talk about how the teams can add even if they don't have any cap space center but they couldn't be looking to add but also I think they're counting on themselves sells being a really strong buyout team for players around February March time frame. I guess yeah and I think that they take a wait and see approach and see what does does the bigger neat emerge somewhere else on the roster Australia. Maybe there's an injury or what have you but that's the only thing I see kind of going into the post. I think they're totally five for the postseason is can they cover the four and five in the in a way not only is fully playable rotation players that don't get played off the floor and a postseason postseason contexts and also just the fit the fit and their front court the foreign five all around is a little bit weird because because the four in the East I came up with the same answer. There's not one single team. That's better than the other teams I go quickly. Weekly I put Philadelphia Milwaukee kind of ahead of everybody else and the Philadelphia Team is really interesting in that they they look like just sheer death from a defense at like you don't WanNa play that this team defensively offensively and then just how much of Horford secures the defensive anchor spot should embiid mistime with you know the the the higher than normal likelihood for injury it just just how how big is this body's not built for one hundred games. It's just not in the way Horford's is he's a little undersized that tends to work out for workload so long as he stays healthy but <hes> I'm so sounds like we had the the similar answers there so next question is how many legitimate contenders there are. I guess we should take a minute and define. What's a legitimate contender? Is it a team that has a path to the conference finals and this this kind of mathematically Kinda has a shot. If things break right or is a team that's just good enough to win for playoff series and so I just what I looked at was. Can I see path for this team as constructed to get to be competitive in the finals was way. I answered it I don't I don't know if you've thought about it a different way before jumping Tori answers so so I think it's super important to define this and particularly the season when we no longer have into the season with the team that has a fifty plus percent chance of winning it. It's you know that threshold has to change and not I mean this is more just mathematical. I mean I think think about it from a statistical standpoint like what what threshold what preseason odds do you need to give a team to say that they are a contender to win the championship so that's a that's an interesting number and I just kind of thinking in my head before as what you know what what do you put that number at like twenty percent something like that and I went back and I looked at the the past champions from the past ten years and you can you can from Vegas Historical Vegas preseason odds you can look at what the raptors odds were winning the championship last year and it was plus eighteen fifty which is a five percent chance of winning the championship and that's kind of like like low end over the past ten years. It's it's actually them. Dallas and Golden State's first championship or all right about in that that five percent threshold house like Oh man what does that mean. I need to open this up all the way to five percent because then because then if you do that or and if you look at this season sides we get down to like Boston and I was like that to me when you start throwing in Boston and Denver as a contender that just feels kind of irresponsible just to to use your words like can I see a path to Boston winning the championship or Denver. No I don't I can't I can't say that so I think you have to kind of boost. The threshold up to like ten percent is is the way is the way I put it in. If we look at if we look at this season's odds from from Vegas that has five teams of over ten percent chance as the clippers twenty to the Lakers seventeen the bucks also seventeen the rockets eleven and the seventy sixers ten. I would say those five for me for sure contenders. Did you expand your list further beyond that I did but it was. The is where I struggled for sure was with Denver Boston. That's where I struggled but I'll start with. I don't have Houston on the list right now so I just think the routes were constructed. They may prove me wrong. Hardens a great player and rest can be dominant even slot is as game is right now. He could still be very dominant starters in every. Every like every period of this outline which she did they try too hard. Did they not try hard enough like Houston came up in every single as you look at the League from a larger perspective as we're trying to do they are this `nigma where you're you're trying to figure them out from from every single so I think it's it's interesting you put them there for me. I do I do have them in in this contender ben but I hear kind of where it come from continue so I ended up putting Denver in Boston on the list but my concern with Denver's as they don't have a lot of experience they did better last year than I expected. In their first playoff run. <hes> people may recall the kind of our narrative are kind of you that are take on it was they look very unsure about themselves against the Spurs their first playoff series as a group so but they kind of figured out game three is that they were the better team so let's win the series even though they got down to one and then you know against Portland and it was like Portland had all this playoff experience especially built into their leaders have had been in real environments those sorts of things it kinda ended up making a difference. Even though we've talked about that on paper Denver was much better constructed to really win that series you know but it just really came down to experience an execution so before I go through seven teams from five to seven after my fourteenth I'm back through the exercise of who are really being my list but I put you on my list. Does I think I didn't hear them Vegas lists they I think I think this is a me thing because you know right away after they made the Conley Trade I mean in your list of M._B._A.. Columnists you know they they wrote about the the trade and I mean the narrative in every single one of those was Utah's themselves a western conference favorite and or at least a contender you know and obviously the comedy trade happens before the collide trade and I think that moves the needle in a direction but for me my answer is no and that's because I think if you're looking at the teams that have the best chance at winning the championship. I think a handful of them are the majority of them are still in the west and that's both the L._A.. Teams I'M GONNA put Houston in there and I think I think the warriors I you have have to you have to leave them in there if they can hang around and if Blake and come back and be one hundred percent by the playoffs I think they're in that conversation and then if you want US oh Denver in there which I I it's just there's there's a lot of teams there and I struggled to see this N._B._A.. Finals ceiling for for Utah which is which is a little different than Toronto last year you could paint an N._B._A.. Finals ceiling for them because you can go. It wasn't ridiculous to say we'll Toronto could have the best player in the playoffs now. That wasn't that wasn't out of the question. Then that ended up happening they did have the best player in the playoffs and the won the championship like that's never going to be the case for UTAH. Their case is more Dallas the year that they beat the heat twenty twenty eleven and I I wonder it's just kind of my belief that in this N._B._A.. That type of team I don't know I think what this doubling up on stars we have it's that such a glass ceiling for a team. That's constructed like Utah to go through. Are they going to be fun. Am I going to enjoy watching them or are they gonNA play aesthetically pleasing basketball school one hundred percent but can I put them into contenders been with even like a team with the walkie who I think is sort of towards the bottom of that. No I for me for me. I can't because I think the odds are noticeably less than ten percent that Utah Utah wins the championship yeah in one of the reasons I I talked myself into it was they've struggled with the whole Goo bear favors kind of fit for awhile in that the narrative that played itself out more on offense on defense but I still contend that really gets exposed in the postseason the pick and roll coverage at times total and I just love edition of Davis. He brings something different at the position defensively that Rudy can't handle that the favorites never could and this is where I get my congressman Glenn. Are you really going to put them on or off the list because Ed Davis Trust me I tell myself about numerous times but but you know I struggled struggle with them as well but I just believe in their culture I believe in my calling leaving Quin Snyder and I just liked that Quin Snyder has more options now at the foreign the five even Jeff Green can be very impactful player when he's in the situation is this really asked to do kind of small ball five things for small stretches and they just had really none of that to date but I will say is that if you look at the last number of years teams to elevate themselves are teams is that started from a place of being good and then at the wing which which is one of the reasons I almost talk myself out of being unless they added at the point guard is basically so for example when clive went to their onto the deeper the wing they stayed eight almost the same as the one that you have a team that says that the one five they added kind of material pieces one and five then they went from being good to being serious team even Katie when he went to golden state put them on a whole `nother level because he plays on the wing so that's one of the reasons why I'm not really sure what to make Utah but I tend to take more of a mindset of well. I'm not going to put a limit on them until I kind of see a reason for there to be limited and to that point I don't even have we'll medicine like Keller in to to what I just said but I don't really have the warriors on this list right. Now I think they're roster. Construction is so awful and they are so lacking in in real talent beyond the very very top of that Rosser and I also think the absence is a claes increased so much workload for staff. That's not really going to talk about I guess unless they're just okay with winning forty six or seven forty seven games and the regular season and just you know using all of the deep playoff experience that they have to to make a run unassuming yet the presume clay would be healthy at that point and that they've probably done something you know material in the buyout market as well. It's all a fourteenth from the West Clippers Jazz Nuggets Lakers blazers fans. We met at me but we'll talk about nine please. You're not finals contenders. That's not you're not dropping that. Take their true yeah. I'm just let me just because the field is wide open and what we often do. This phantom is different than analysis. If Blazers Fan you do see the path for the first time in a long time to hey. Maybe there is a path because there's not a super dominant team in the in the West. There's aw say I was I expected to be a little down on the Lakers before I did my analysis once I looked at the roster like this is a much Rosser was last year now. Throwing Anthony Davis on roster's going to do that but even like the other positions they didn't drop lance and rockaway engine. You know you know all those guys that went on your contracts last year so they I was more impressed with what the Lakers did <hes> but but no but if I'm in fandom and it's like okay well the clippers are not a team. That's been a perennial better than by team for three plus years. They neither leakers so that's why I say I tried to acknowledge that <music>. I'm not being critical of fandom. Blazers fans are like critical phantom either. I just think Portland has like the seventh best odds of winning the West right so yeah so how can how can you have the seventh best odds of winning the West N._B._A.. Finals contender. I just that doesn't that doesn't Jive in my head. We see where I had the I have six I mean I don't know six. Still I am kind of tied I I I think the spurs are kind of right there if if they get some guys healthy and that's about where I have the warriors right now but let's anyway to answer the question. I don't feel great about the answer. It's a hard question but hopefully that makes good content but I have clippers jazz. Nuggets Lakers will way better about the to L._A.. Teams than those other two teams but a stronger path return Denver then I do for others that some might put in a group of that on on the eastern conference side Milwaukee in Philadelphia and Boston. They're just because I think that sort of there's an addition by subtraction with Kyrie moving on freeing up the other guys to Kinda be more of their natural cells. I'm worried about them. Without losing. Both Horford and Baynes makes we curious like well. How was the center brisk demand? They have cancer and tease and then young guys that you know that Hey Robert Williams looked great in Vegas but I'm not sitting here. Say That second third round of the playoffs. That's that's the guy you're going to be able to turn to you but just in terms of me looking at Brad Stevens with this group. I don't there's a lot of explicit reason why can't say there's I mean there is a path for them. Getting back post both Milwaukee in Philly I mean they're just close enough and if they can get back to the kind of pre curry culture etcetera etcetera then. I just think that there's about so that's seven is not perfect. I certainly would take four teams and kind of put them like half a tier above. That's the two <music> L._A.. Teams Welcome Philadelphia and then kind of like Tier Below Utah Denver in Boston there for me but it's an imperfect answer. I'd also great about but that's how I saw it. So it sounds like you have a smaller yet. It's well. I guess it's only one smaller because I'm at we we agree the four for sure's together. Both of us are two in the west both the L._A.. Teams the two in the East Milwaukee in Philadelphia and then and then that's where it becomes a question remark and I have Houston and Golden State as my other two contenders in in the west and I struggled to add other teams beyond that because at some point this critical mass of you can only have so many contenders in on conference. I I kind of believe if we're drawing if you're drawing a ten percent threshold and so it's it's not zero percent chance it's not a one percent chance that Utah or Denver make it. It's higher than that or win it but it's to me it's noticeably Laurentien side so I have him out of there so so one question so you're feeling good about Houston toy more about that. I okay it's it's the it's the belief that they can over the course member the term that Brett Brown used when I think it was on the low post us like we too we need to lay on the plane before the before the season before the season comes to a close and I think what we learned is they never really did that. That was a product of training for Jimmy partway through the season getting Harris at the deadline and an injuries they just weren't and and it's hard to land the plane when won't sit down buckles pickles F._A.. Frowned on that I I don't know I think I think Houston has all eighty two games to land the plane and there's so so obvious we don't even need to go into there's such fair knocks on Russ and and reason to to question you know how much he can drive winning given what we've seen him be able to you know not the ways we've seen him to be inefficient. My my assumption is you're going to see a lot more efficient Russ. I don't think they'll allow him or they will convince him to be a more efficient player and that's part of that's part of landing the plane and then when he just put had had the five guys out there of you have Gordon at Gordon in that mix Tucker and Capella. I think if you have five pretty good players move I've learned from the Houston team. The past couple of years is the specific importance of positions. This is something they seem uniquely qualified to handle. Are there a bunch of question marks with that team. Find the whole staff. Everything Kinda seems chaotic. Maybe paid too much Russell Westbrook Yada Yada Yada but we that Houston team two years sixty five win Houston team what was so good and how different. How different is this like why why can't Houston be back towards that level of that team and if you're close to that level then you're definitely contender particularly in this league? Now Golden State isn't Golden State anymore yeah for me I. I can't even visualize how Russ in hardened played at this point in their career. When things are for Russia's instinct it's played a thousand miles an hour and is instinct when things are going wrong play ten thousand miles an hour where harden wants to dribble well fifty-six shacklock possession so I just I just can't see that meshing but Antoni is is really good at take but in the interest of kind of not putting a limit on them if someone's going to figure that out you know Dantonio is one of the few coaches are probably going to kind of figure that out and then in an okay see especially in the Post Katie era did seem like they struggled to kind of get rest to embrace things? Is that your analytics retelling you or things that I don't want to say just in it's more than that but just possessions etcetera and entrusting the people around you and it could be just the fact that the background that rose has with harden from their time together no K._C.. And having a lot of accessible for this team was really expected to have it does it does that still kind of something that will allow us to buy in to use your language to a role that he needs to buy in to four of this work but but just kind of my instinct is like is going to want to play a thousand miles an hour that it's not always hard looking to do and even though you can talk about where Russes in his grave versus Chris Paul is career crispy a little bit older being uh-huh more skilled in a way in terms of moving the basketball and playing Haiku basketball. I never talk about what's being low. I Q because he's not he's just really trust his instincts and and in his reinforced because when he's been dominated when he just kind of let's go and let's US instincts take over that been in the past on what he's still is but that type of dominant player because he's so fast and has so much force worse attacking the rim but I I just need to see yeah but before I can can really feel like they're so <hes> yeah. It's just it's the high end potential at the end of the day when you're talking about when you're talking recommended team being a contender and winning the championship you're looking at their best set of outcomes and in with Houston their best set of outcomes is is that Russell makes adjustments and there are a team that is more talented than the majority the majority of the League James Harden Reasserts himself as the best if not one of the best players for for this next given season and I think that's possible and the compare pair contrast. I'll make is not them to to the clippers or the Lakers because they have they have even better one two punch their I I'm looking at that compared to Nikolay Yokich and Jamal Murray or Mike Conley Lee and Rudy Gobert and that which is which is what are our disagreement is here and I go. I'm looking at the top talent to that group and in a playoff series believing more in the top talent if if they can make the coaching element of at work. Have I seen it no do I have more belief that Quin Snyder is going to get complete buy in from all the Utah Jazz Yeah does that have high N._B._A.. Finals potential not a lot is is what I would say for them and for one last quick question we'll take a break <hes> sooner than an outline call horror but just so you're not surprised there but did the Lakers coaching situation yeah factor into how you saw ah them I mean it's like I really liked the roster that are remembered who there you how they're coaching. Staff is constructed. I was like Oh boy that doesn't make me feel great well okay but but this question was is. Are they contenders. It wasn't correct are are we ranking the best our ranking teams in the league their contender the question the question comes our day the most likely team to win. No they're not because of that because you have more belief in doc rivers the Philadelphia or Not Philadelphia the clippers culture and the depth of that team. That's what makes the clippers the more likely team to win the championship but the Lakers are in the conversation and that's that's all this question is asking and to me. They're just as much as I got to see it type of team too and the the tricky thing we know about Lebron teams is we don't see it that much during the regular season so there's going to be this lingering doubt all year because Lebron he just will like he'll he'll he'll have some splashy games and he'll probably show up when they play he'll probably show for that first game at Oracle and the preseason and be like yeah. We're putting put my stamp on this game. I'M GONNA put my stamp on twelve other games. During the regular season. We're GonNa know what the Lakers are and how the coaching staff is with their players in their bench. I don't know I really don't think we'll know that until next April it's GonNa they're going to be they're going to be ambiguous for. They're going to be ambiguous all year. Yeah it is interesting just looking at this eighteen see the history of the clippers and how now from a Front Office to coaching roster. I mean they are really really good shape and obviously there's been plenty of drama about the Lakers for an office situation. Strategic was the process that they've used to get where they are kind of the same with with with coaching situation but when you have the Ron you always have a chance until he's shows he's not Lebron. He's that that Lebron okay. We'll take our first ad break and come back and we're talking about. Maybe kind of the next tier of teams are are there any teams that with one transaction or two in the middle of the season whether the deadline or during the buyout market that could move up into this group yes or no we'll get back from our break in dive in there so we're back one thing I was going to mention before we dive in. It's funny I was you and I I put together like a really high level at this by the way listeners and then day was like then I need that because I you know I have a full day tomorrow so I was like okay through something real quick. It's like sitting at home last night and I was looking at twitter. During the commercial the my wife and I are watching told Sarah look at this. I showed her a few tweets and I was like you know what this is what I said this is Dane preparing for our podcast. See The threshold question is interesting to me. I it really is it's like we need to. We need to change the way we think about what contenders are and I'm wrestling with myself. You have much more open than I do. It's it's that was me like wrestling with the okay. Come on you. GotTa open it up to more than five five teams but we didn't even really get into this. It's like Boston No. I don't think Boston's GonNa win the championship like at some point it's like percentages be damned Kemba Walker and his kanter and like the corpse of Gordon Hayward are not going to win the championship so it's like I kept I kept trying to extend it and then shrink it down so that was that was me going through that in public on twitter yeah I was find with a much of the Boston situation but yeah that the foreign the five for them as visualizing that being like a team that can go deeper date for some reason. I felt like they for some reason for long. Maybe a week for now. I'll look back and go what was I thinking but so the next question is are there a group of teams that with a transaction two at the most not like overhauling their whole roster of the way the like Philadelphian the clippers did with a single trade last year sort of think about last year the raptors when they added Marcus all thought that really improved their chances because they were much better equipped to face embiid in the series and those those sorts of moves for shot here because my my lists filled Phil probably a little longer than yours but <hes> so what were your thoughts on teams that aren't in that first group but with a move or two you know realistic one or two not going and trading for some crazy you know player. That's incredibly unlikely to be true for WHO's on that list for you date. It's short. I couldn't even add some of the teams you have on there like Denver and Utah I struggled to find pass for that to like making it were couldn't necessarily see them going and getting like a real needle mover piece and I think this deadline just in general or is going to be. It's going to be underwhelming because there's so few few players that we know we know next agency class stinks so that means typically the players who are traded the deadline right like they're expiring contracts. Those those are the most frequent so it's like. It's like hard to grab people and be like like oh well this guy so-and-so's GonNa be ready to move on from at the deadline. There's just not a lot of them and so I struggle to find like a piece or something for for Denver Utah. Maybe that's me just being out in them. I've a weird team. I have one team and it's weird that I put onto the list and it's Miami and I just know their picks are tied up in a weird way. That's GonNa make it hard for them to make trades but they've seven guys on ten million or more dollar salaries that not all of them totally stink where you could you could convince yourself. It's like Kelly clinic way makes fourteen and he's like a nine million dollar player so like put them in the trade. It's not like this huge negative asset. Ah Is there. Is there a world I guess my question to you that they do end up doing getting beal and wall from Washington and then Flip Wall for Chris Paul. Is that even possible I don't l.. Maybe maybe that's too large of a leap but if you have if you have Jimmy Butler Bradley Beal and Chris Paul and those guys all have as if you have like what Butler did last year bill do what he did last year and you have Chris Paul do it. He did two years ago and there's a synergy there like day jump up into the Eastern Conference conversation for me which I limit at Milwaukee in Philadelphia. I don't know their this team. That's like way down. They feel like they're finalized. Now is like two percent so the way beyond the threshold. Could they jump into at least like the the Denver Utah Boston pool like yeah I could. I could see that I am I am. I totally off on Miami there. No I don't think so. I think that when you have Pat Riley there that he he tends to be able to kind of make things happen. The other personality can't make happen. I think we have to ask ourselves. How good is Miami? I'm down Hassan. Whiteside is anyone so against. I acknowledge the process of addition by subtraction like I just think kyri being out of Boston's GonNa create such levity there. That's going to be some lift from that. Talk about how optimistic that makes us about the team but in that when Greg and I talked about John whiteside going to Portland we were like I was like that blew my mind you know because just what the Portland culture is in his son. Whiteside just doesn't communicate is not really invested in the Games he's end but then Greg was like well. You know what how's everybody feeling about. Merkich you know how pouty he wasn't Denver and how out of shape he wasn't Denver went to Portland and Terry's thoughts kind of got figured out a way now I know I think Hassan whiteside totally different enigma the problem with all four but gray was like at least gives the chance those sorts of things but okay say to that though Vanterpool was there and just because I've gotten to know him a little bit now that he's in Minnesota and just talking to some people who know him. He was like such a personality whisperer there as I understand it from dame to C._J.. To nurk to like a lot of those guys and so I I mean that's saying the Stotts isn't a good coach and can't do that or the rest of their staff but I think a big reason. They got a lot out of their their personalities. They're made the Mesh better with I think Vanterpool was very he was like their defensive coordinator. Guy Was a huge part of that now he's in Minnesota and we've talked a a little about it but I really do believe in the impact of especially the assistance moving on a camera the coach's name right now. Let's look it up but two years ago there was a port assistant from Denver to New Orleans Denver to New Orleans and it was interesting. Maybe Steve Finch Chris Finch. He's Gershon this guy he ended the wolves had job yeah also we've talked a year ago. When Utah Kinda got off to a slow start that Donna Mitchell got to a slow START THAT EAGER COSCO from Utah to the Phoenix and I don't go through every single real with I do and whether it's a to assist transition or like I think philly Miss Lloyd Pierce last year you know I think he's one of the better defensive coaches in the league? <hes> it's I do think you. I think that's like for example if you listen to the E._S._p._N.. And other national outlets talk about and write off these things this is something that I rarely hear come up but I think it's such a big part of how the the the odds chains across the landscape that really really no one really has appreciation for so that could that could be right well we. We'll see but I do think that's that's an important thing for example Milwaukee. Taylor Jenkins went to be the head coach in Memphis and we'll talk about the guy who kept everything organized while for Bud that was his right hand man of course butts never gonNA say no. Don't go take this every head coach that has since this is they're invested in are going to want to see them have those opportunities but having seen that firsthand lanta tailored unions kept everything organized it. If you don't think organization is a major part of how bud gets results he gets its. That's GONNA be wild. Oh Yeah we said we're not going to go through everyone Jeff dezelic leaving Houston last year we saw the impact of that at the beginning of the year and on and he's he's in he's in New Orleans and then shoot what was I had another one but I'm drawing a blank but I I'm with you it it it it does it does make a difference. I think that's just underrated across the league well one that almost happened was <hes> he's yeah he's like moved into a consultant role. Oh true yeah. He's not an organisation nation yeah. That's that's the big thing is also weird. What what to put a pin in this time but it's so strange hell sixers assistance has gotten jobs? Now about us has got the job and those those this warriors assistance aren't getting like any shy. It's just kind of kind of weird to me apart from Luke who was already kind of a Laker or Laker family that kind of stood out but you know I mean Collins and Brown right. That's basically would it be yeah. It seems like I might be busy one but I guess that would be the whoever replaces out on the front row this year would be that really really green could be could be but it's just strange to me that there's been doing <hes> so my list. I had Houston there. I have the warriors there. I think it's I. I don't if you're not gonNA put the warriors on that list. I think it's fair to say one daily good fundamental ad in there. That's how close they are. Put the Spurs. They're just because I'm really impressed with what they have now. The topic of the roster always makes you scratch your head but the their ability to bring along like Derek whyte to be really really good <hes> and I believe walkers really GonNa help them this season <hes> and then they always you know <music> solid <hes> a buyout team but what's strange is I have a team on this list that most listeners probably scratching their heads why they have come up yet and that three is Brooklyn so doesn't either vestment Brooklyn is a contender now there have stephen as being debatable for being the best team in the conference are relevant conversation at all I've only had this is the argument for it. Katie comes back yeah well. I don't think eighty because back this year but they they were a good team last year. They won forty two gates they were they were a slightly above average team but see you don't give them any credit for how well they played in the second half. I mean I don't know credit but so I've just been looking into. I wrote this big thing this week because like the wolves literally brought in like a bunch of their <hes> their off the public personas now like on the wolves bench us in Brooklyn their scouting staff like Rosa's took a bunch of those guys. I've been looking into Brooklyn. It's like I don't know I think we got a little excited. Maybe you didn't because you're like much more focused on this. We got a little more excited about Brooklyn dancing around on the sidelines and like being fun than they were like actually really really good and and then you bring in Kyrenia Kyrie's and upgrade over John Russell even if he's a head case but contender status like what what about that team I'd lay out the path for me. I guess I think they lost Liberte last year and sustained and he came back and played well him taking another step. I think is a is a thing I think greg and I talked about the fact that I scratch go ahead for two years while I kept bringing us off the bench and it turned out to be brilliant because now they bring in Korean. You're not doing this weird thing of taking the guy that you were relying on your best player for the last two years and taking putting him and kind of b-roll. I think he's really going to help the culture kind kinda hold that together in a way that Boston didn't really allow Al Horford to kind of keep that culture together what's wreaking came in but you know they adding Guy Garrett Temple. I the reason I didn't have them on one of the more above this. Why do you you bring India Andre Jordan when you already have an emerging Jared Allen and I've always been concerned about journal and not being physical enough but man when I saw him what he's turned his body is to even since last season I summer league I was always playing but but of course it has been a negative players? The last two years not been a helpful player in terms of winning basketball is that just because he was in non winning environments these things back yeah I think so and so there's enough there. Thank you think that there's there's some top talent. That's worthwhile. There's some solid I mean they have is there are solid role players guys like Joe Harris and Garrett Temple et Cetera and so I just think there's enough there I mean even you didn't even bring up your boy Tory and prints well. We'll try to talk about the positives here now. He he's a fantastic shooter but will I mean I wrote. I wrote yes. He's he's the beat you if you check his catching shoot numbers numbers and eliminate kyri will eliminate his dribbling catches shoot. He's one of the ten if not the best five players League from the three one and catch shoot so I'll elite shooter for sure and now maybe a lot of people don't know that but he has struggled on defense. We'll see you kitty Akerson get out but didn't quite put him on the list but Toronto I mean N- it's so hard to know what's left. You know it's so hard to know Oh. What's that like what will Pascal Siachen be this year what will get soul do in a contract year and he's not even been there for full season? Despite having won the championship how substantial is a balk at this point what Kyle lowry be in this post Hawaiian Post. You know there's so many like interesting questions like we'll step into a bigger role from start to finish you know we're talking about making a move right as the most yes so. It's like like so then they're they're trading like one of lowery Kasallje Baca for an upgrade is or like Oh gee and the draft pick to bring in somebody that you plan to have more than one year. I do think so much of their moves. It's a deadline will be based on how they start like if they get off to a really good start and kind of are projected to be like a top four seed they might look. I mean they did last year. Messiah has been as creative as any G._M.. The last three years it's hard for me to identify that guy in the league. That's going to be the person that you get but you know they have the books to be creative like we talked about. I was saying earlier how there's like very few teams have guys on expiring this here like they're. They're the raptors three well. They have lower is a free agent Carr's salsa free agent bacchus a free agent Siaka free agent and leads the free agent right and and they're a mix of that plus young guys teams will be presumably sit in you know <hes> and to my recollection they I think they were the first one traffic in the quite that that seems right. Looks like I'm looking at your boy. Jeff Segel's page. They have all their first. Oh they do okay. I was thinking more than one I out. How did they still how do they get quiet without having to send out in that trade oriented OBI yeah? That's that's when you okay when you're people championship so that's okay next question did any teams overdo it in the form of going all in for this year with the warriors being undermanned that kind of the league big seeming wide open and let's let's consider and give teams credit for the fact that when they a lot most of these were making their critical since they did not know that both Kelly and Paul George will be in L._A.. So the so the League's he seemed more opened when they were actually facing these decisions so I wanna Kinda. Give them credit for you know for that your thoughts on that anybody overdoing. Did you say Utah. Did you say you overdid it and you're answering. I'm going to order. I haven't is listening to the word duty yet. No okay well I ask you. Are you going to say Utah overdid it. I didn't have my list but now that you ask a question. It makes me wonder like if I just skipped over them for some reason they did give up a lot to get an older player. That's on a different timeline. Donovan Mitchell isn't even bears like you said like the Colli thing they they did it before the thing like so this is we can draft obviously before right. I don't think they did the only the only team team I put down as overdoing it is which is weird because I was the one defending Houston and like the idea of Ross in them this talking about where I have Houston in everyone of my bullet points here. I think that's that's the strongest argument you can make for team who overdid it was like okay called at and I mean who who more apt to Overdo it. When Golden State gets shot in the foot you know their their arch nemesis for the past two years in the Western Conference Houston they overdid it? I mean they paid to first for us and to pick swaps OPS and RUSS MAKES GONNA make like forty million dollars a year. It doesn't sound we're at all I have on the list. They went in like three seconds for me but evaluating this team's Rosser and this landscape is a different thing that considering <music> all the capital they gave up to bring in. Yes you know with the question marks in terms of fit and all that so that's that doesn't sound weird. I don't think you defend that at all. I put Brooklyn on the list so in Greg and I we were talking to what they did. One thing one thing lesson I asked him I was interested. Answer was so they built up this really good positive culture where guys buy into their roles they make a sacrifices they occurred the role players to be quote stars in their roles et Cetera all the kind of things and Kitty accident and Sean marks in my mind deserve a lot of credit for that but let you bring in T._d.. Who couldn't even be happy winning championships year Angolan state or unsatisfied or whether I don't know if it words in his mouth and I hate all the Katie bashing? That's not what I'm doing at all but when you bring in like that big of a superstar just like it's it's a bit not bringing in the Bra and you're just putting on a certain amount of control of how things are going to go and so but when you bring in Kyri N. k. d. like to massive cultural. You know gravity creators there. I think there's there's a risk that potentially they just went to big instead of kind of maybe finding a more organic type but the interesting thing is that we talked about Utah possibly being the team but you know Dennis Lindsey by all the things I've heard has said we got to get more creative to build a more roster. That's more talented at the top. Especially and Utah has been one of those teams that struggled to compete in free agency in fact you know the built up Gordon Hayward to an all star level and then lost him for nothing and we have to say to Brooklyn. They've never been a really relevant team. <HES> and free agency they had to make a one of the worst traits at history to get top talent there air when they moved <hes> get Cagey Paul Pierce as much as Paul Pierce didn't want to go through go through that and such did work out for them but you know every team has a different kind of calculus on you know. Can we do this organically and callaway Golden State did was a very organic approach to building up toward a championship status and not gold state never saw them as being a team that could just go find the the peace at rounds them out in three agency so they built through the drafting through player development and Katie chose them more than they chose Katie in that way but Brooklyn seem like they're on a nice organic path and you bring in in my mind two of the players right now that are cut up mid career. Maybe a a little past mid career depending how you view that <hes> but that have so much re rigidity too how they see their basketball situation in my view so that was one more on the culture side that Brooklyn list. Increasing the you know what I was what I was looking at it and I think the argument that it wasn't too much is because it was legitimately a multi-year play and you can say three or play Katie inquiry boats signed four year deals with player options in the fourth year so let's call that three years for the both of them with Lebron in a d you have the Brown has two years left you have A._D.. Who has one now how you could say that that ends up being you can assume eighty ends up signing the four plus one next year whatever it is so maybe it's more but still that's three and three for Kyrie and Katie? That's a lot that's a big window. You have there whereas the clippers I mean they mortgaged everything for two of Colli and to have P._G.. So there is some value particularly in this player movement M._B._A.. Were in right now to have these guys locked up long long long term and I know it's just like a thought exercise. I run a lot of the time with the timberwolves and Carl towns who like no player option. No nothing is is five more years in the league. I mean not guaranteed on the team but under a contract for five more years which is an asset in that they're on the team or that. You can trade them like you got to kind of. Look at those those guaranteed years as your as your currency as G._M.. How many years do you have as with stars and Brooklyn has six <music> with those guys you want? It subtract lop off because Katie is not playing this year sure but I think there's a bigger play going on here in Brooklyn whereas both of the L. A. Teams feel very immediate U._S.. Totally yes and so that's my that's more justifiable for me yeah yeah I had to kind of clearly other lenses when I say when I look at through the Katie and Chirons I'm really big on Bang in and cultural fit and all those sorts of things and you know I look at what we did to that last season Boston's and it kind of blew the whole plan up to degree so it's just through that Lens is like Greg I talked about is Kenny Atkinson going to be the coach three years from now if if this doesn't go really well you know and when you when you requested maybe not that's like okay you already creating more than two. What is this path of okay? Did you have anything else on that. One or you move on you know basically I just said like Denver and Philadelphia Yeah. They made Denver the they got Jeremy Grant but that wasn't I mean they didn't like overpay or anything for that. He's a good player multiple years. I've done his deal. He's going to help us. It was like they had more of the normal progression do I love to. I love Jamal Murray getting a five one seventy extension right now no but that's just that's kind of the nature for a are you A. Have you been really good on your rookie contract Yep. You're getting a Max like that. Just a pig or whatever yeah you know so so I get I get Denver and then Philadelphia like what are you GonNa do. You're going to like well. Actually we're going to downshift back into a really long play with embiid and Simmons. I know so you go. You know you do the Horford and Richardson. I mean you do that move and so I get that I can't. I can't say they like they hit the gas to art and so I don't I don't know I don't I don't really have another team. The only team I feel pretty confident in that they did too much Houston yeah same then on the Philadelphia side in terms of doing too much thinking about being aggressive adding on the Philadelphia side. It was really kind of weird to C. J._J.. Radic leave so quickly the worst money right correct and I mean it seems like at least made an effort to say we're going to try to find a way to make it work because man when their offense would grind down to a halt especially before Jimmy was there but even at times when Jimmy was there rettig would keep that offense moving along just to keep them in games coming off of screens and knocking down shots and his ability to play you know with a lot of tempo. I wonder sure I wonder if he was really locked. In on a multi year deal for this and Philadelphia like Philadelphia would know better than anyone else would if like what is he now thirty three three or four sounds right like that. Maybe it's time that he kinda like turns down into a player that you're not wanting to pay fifteen to twenty million dollars to 'cause i. I wish I had it in front of me. I wonder what the most they could offered him for. One year was <hes> that that probably would have been worth it if it was like eighteen or something and I bet you he takes that rather than to twenty-six eighteen is shows right so one hundred eighty five percent of whatever he's making last year last year twelve yeah so that sounds that sounds about right what New Orleans gave him on an average value just didn't seem so strong enough in the worry about it and then after this season they had this full bird rights. Now is capital is there but sometimes people forget that saw like the bird rights making completely free on your captured until he signs that contract attract but I it was more of letting him go and not really replacing him in any way shape or form to create more shooting back on that Rosser that was so it was both sides of that to me was not finding like how do they Ellington get to team gene the significantly less relevance you know guys like that who can just knockdown shots and play that role. Even if you're minutes they got to be the most active deadline by out team in the League because I think Philadelphia is going to be good but to me they have like multiple needs in up one obviously of aren't saying shooting but they could use it just like a pick and roll point guard or just like a real point guard like to be able to like come optum entropy another option other than other than Simmons. There and I think it's pretty important if they are going to be a contender it's they probably you know find a way to get Kyle Korver and find a way to get. I don't know point guard who's available probably better than that I mean I don't know the one I wrote down was like D._J.. Augustine he's like expire. I don't know does that caliber like which I would say is a step above love Lynn visibly guy you feel good about as a backup point guard and they can kinda microwave something for a little bit more yeah. It'll be interesting to see how much they eh to buy his handle in the pick and roll this year. That's not ever really been things done even though he seems to have the kind of on paper skill set to do that <hes> this one really quickly. I had nobody on my list. We'll let you anybody like plainly not aggressive enough. Given how why the League is open or anybody on the other side they just didn't do. They could've done a lot more than I told you I got. I had Houston Everyone Gotcha. Okay I mean I just made the why why they like. They did too much but they could have done even more right like if at some point I think they tried they. I think they looked at that's probably the Capella Gordon and Tucker trying to flip so I think that I think you're probably right and with I think Bobby Mark said it was like forty. percent of the League is like frozen until December fifteenth to be able to trade for so they're in the spot where it's like slim pickings to be able to work together some sort sorta trade to get a third piece but it would have been advantageous for them as back to my plane landing metaphor that wasn't even my metaphor like they want to have their their group together as soon as possible like make if you're going to go get somebody and you're GonNa Flip Capello or Gordon or whoever for them or a combination of like dude on December fifteenth when you can because for sure especially because you need rest of buy in yes so I if you're not optimized I knew for the first six weeks of the season either fix that aced out right right and my one other one was Milwaukee. It's a good that's a good call. I think there's still there's still six million below. The tax like feels like like they're also like a team where there's a million different things going on and I'm like okay. Brogden and snow was traded for like I don't I need to go back and look at like the order of operations of everything but like come on Milwaukee like why are you in the tax be in the tax just just do it like do more they. They're the you're the eastern conference rate so I think you can make an argument for them to have found some mm sort of other path where they were a little more aggressive brogden got paid a lot. I get that but it feels like there was more there to have been done and maybe maybe they're a deadline team too but again I think the deadline market is crappy so yeah but we're all agree with you there on my list. I was like Oh that really sounds correct is that they seem just focus on bringing back as much as they could as most getting better. It seems like right okay. Let's take our last breaks day. I'll have a quick conversation on on with all of this movements can on the other end of the League which team that's not relevant from this season in terms of contending or likely playoff <hes> qualification et cetera and that three or three to five year timeframe who'd we see being positioned to potentially send in a in a really meaningful way so we'll be right back with that discussion okay. I have two tiers here. I'll go first here. I think the the PELICANS teams on this. I sounds like maybe your list longer than mine but I'm curious. You have let me hit my first so I think the Pelicans with everything they got eighty trade how well they did in in this year's draft to add more even more draft assets removing the way they did in the draft. It's funny that you know the team. You cover the team that I help right more piece of hoops or basically basically in a bidding war to move to a new New Orleans pick that they had from L._A.. Took well pass a moratorium for all that to get ironed out but I think you have to put on the top of that list and nobody else is really nobody. I Know Oklahoma Oklahoma. City has the draft capital similar. Go forward draft capital that the Pelicans have I haven't looked at it one side by side if I look at it side by side and I know the Pelicans still have more but they both have seemed like in the way ahead of everybody else and then you know Lion Williamson Kilos Andrew Walker in Jackson Hayes and nothing as is the perfect process a long way to come in some areas play but they just have so much there and then the next year I have I afford teams. That's five so I've Atlanta and with Atlanta's way I'm describing is cameron. It's kind of their swing player. In terms of if he really hits and his eighty percent player people thought he was before work that awful season Duke that's really going to move them into where they now have a fully-fledged core rather than kind of where they were last season was everybody's like Oh if they can just add one more player on Trae John Collins. Not You know a little higher than probably aww you'll have John Collins. I think Memphis did really really well. I mean when you look at how committed they were to the Britain Guy Grind for just even like eighteen months ago. MEMPHIS has really kind of recalibrated their whole approach the next season or to you know of course Jaren Jackson Junior there and I'm a little concerned about how high ruin is on Jami Mirant as an M._B._a.. Point Guard. He's a fun player. No doubt about that but people like Oh Mike Conley we out John Marini no slow down a little bit. You Know Jones in that so there you go representing the Minneapolis there <hes> but I think it's just really impressive what what Memphis has done to kind of shift out of Seoul Conley in any other veteran body we can get after that okay see I think with all the draft capital they have from Houston and the possibility for us to really slip if this doesn't stick in his last swing for use and maybe it's not a yes got it into lasting right normal life cycles yeah this feels like the last thing so that could really work out well for okay see I can't remember what protections as they have there but I don't think that they're like profound protections and then I threw Minnesota on here just because a Karl Anthony towns <hes> be a legitimate of front office now see I don't know what to make Ryan Saunders as coach but they seem to really believe in him but at least he's bringing kind of a fresh mental approach and strategic approach to how to deploy talent and I think that that's going to and we seems crazy. Easy but when you look at what tells us numbers in the swords career this as they get to the next level is like fricking scary and I you know I I don't know I don't know anything about how they really against this new version of their leadership. I don't know but I just think that you know when I hear Rosa's talking. I'm relying a lot of your coverage there. In Your podcasting your articles I've been consuming since he's come on board. It just seems like he's very committed to being very thoughtful and deliberative but not lazy and slow on how to approach getting this roster to the next level so those are those are Pelicans and in their kind of their own class and then fourteen Atlanta Memphis okay see the and Minnesota so the one that I have kind of in that group that you don't have this at all and I don't feel great about this. Actually kind of like I have three question marks next next to them is Dallas. How do you feel about Dallas three years? From now I just so the the reason I don't have Dallas here and they have obviously Luca Danni as he was the first big word last year and I don't feel badly about etel was rookie. Years provides eight PORZINGAS. I don't know what it is. I just there's so many questions I haven't seen him play really into years and then the other part of I didn't put them here here is that they've never really been operated as a strategic franchise. It's like every year. They have a one year plan instead of being a team. That's operating a two three four. The right number of years is Mark Cuban takes a run at whatever free agent is available well every summer and they all kind of clear the roster they have to they have so much rosser turnover year that I just don't know if they're capable of functioning on a strategic level which is something that you have to do in order to consider you a team. That's N._F._l.. Three to five year window to do something on purpose to because I think that's really ascending so that's why question about it but I'll let you share. No I mean I put him on there. Because I mean three to five years from now I think very likely that you have Luca and kristaps on the team and and that in and of itself is like I was talking to somebody about the Atlanta Hawks when you know when I was in in Vegas Summer League and they're just like kind of sexy team right now it's like Oh man like so fun and they've got these young guys and all this optionality for the future and what the person said to me was is like yet they don't have. They don't have like a guy and he any you know I was talking about this in the context of the temperature like you take the timberwolves future over the hawks because because you got cat and you gotta mocked up long-term and he's like it's great to have the flexibility and have young players who are interesting in this and that but when you don't feel with any sort of certainty that you have a guy who's definitely going to be one of your two or three stars that you need. You're just inherently further away and some with Atlanta's is on my list because I think there's a path for them to get their Dallas. It's it's pretty easy to say you know three years from now they're going to have to stars and and that you know that puts you in what will be like twenty two and crafts twenty six or something I don't know like young stars and then the reason I think I had the question. Marks is an again just like looking at their books right now. There's a lot of other money on there and they gave they gave Dwight Powell this deal that extends for the next four years you have dhillon right. WHO's fine accents for the next three Mexico who I think that's a good deal but that you know that extends out there Seth Curry four years during Vinnie Smith three years I mean it just kind of like adds up and I guess where I'm at right now three years before were there my best guess would be that for Dallas to truly become like a champion champion? They're going to need to have a third guy on top of kristaps Luca and the path to getting there is going to it's going to require like patients in the sense that you're GonNa have to jump at the right time and to your point with the like they haven't really illustrated like good discernment and that historically an in that way. I think that that clouds things for them but given what this list is of the other teams that we have on here that include Lewd teams that have question marks. I mean Minnesota's on the list like if medicine is on the list I think Dell should be on the list. I put it like that the the kyw Luca and kristaps cat I think that's I think think that's reasonable again. I just WANNA see some strategic planning evident there and then we'll close out there. I think what you heard from whoever you were talking about -Lanta is probably a consensus is that they're lacking the guy but everything I'm hearing from Atlanta. is they know they're going to have to add that top. Piece three they're trader free agency and when I say trade like a guy like forcing himself without like this year ago but I think they believe they're building a brand and the culture and really pop really popular head coach in Pierce Cross leaks. I think that they know that trane. John can't be V.. Two best players probably can't be the two best players on a leading contender and they keep you in the second third but I think that they believe that they are going to be able to attract a really really talented player. Don't know who that is now. The IT might not be a guy who even sends the next year or two. We don't even know who that person is yet but yeah no I I'm within. I I see that to to for Atlanta. I think it's just it's baking in the ambiguity to that where it's like shoot three years went by in now we've paid paid for trae young. We've paid for Collins herders up for an extension and it's like well remember when remember when we had like sixty five million dollars worth of expiring contracts and everything there's just there's just like a there's an end of the road out there for Atlanta that is so much darker than this green pasture. We're looking at right now. They belong on this list in my opinion but I I don't know Atlanta's in a better place member of the timber wolves with like Levin in cat and wiggins like back. It's it's not all that different than then right and like look what happened granted. They didn't well. I was GONNA say it didn't manage it well but the Butler trade no brainer at the time that was that was Atlanta's move as moves gonNA make you don't know that that sometimes you can get the star or the really good player whatever you WanNa call. Jimmy and it's not as helpful as as you think it might be so there's just there's value even in teams who are building in having a guy and and that's you know that's part of this calculation and I think the other team that's really interesting in that similar vein kind of unprecedented is okay see with what they haven't draft capital. I mean this is this is the most draft capital a team has ever had so if you're saying prestige it's it's it's really interesting to think about you. Go like well. What what do we do? Do we try and buy right now to try and buy Devon Booker. There's like a hint of him being like maybe he's going to leave in a year and a half like we try and get in on this next summer like do just overpay up because again using Atlanta as an example remember how much capital they had of course you know like the past eighteen months or the question Russian so much of a draft late this year yeah Castro for De'andre Hunt and rented show. It's just yeah can can okay see cash it in for a known commodity. Can they go get their Luca or their kristaps and that that's going to be. I think that's fascinating okay see close. I think travelers sling cast in those draft has because he knows two years from now. We're still primarily building through the draft. Were off plan as lead to be adding like ready players that are ready to help us win right now. So I you know slink you know by all analysis overpaid and I know that everyone kind out of it knowledgeable. You have to overpay to move up. That's kind of how it works but I also think that slang has again like I said hints at them flipping to another level of sense of urgency knowing that okay we're one year away from extending John to your way from having to extend trae this. This is our window. We can really do it after we get both those guys on the on the books that has to be in the middle of that happening. I think you're you're exactly right on that so quickly dame plug <hes> any recent or soon to come work and then we'll let our listeners yeah I mean I it's it's been a a weird. It's been weird offseason for the timberwolves but a lot of a lot of change so that's what I was doing in. You're you took in a lot more basketball than I did there and for me it was more trying to get to know some of the players and the coaches coaches and the this this new regime there so I kinda this week wrote a piece on you know who as we're kind of talking about now the wolves are in their in this phase that is passed where Atlanta is now and it's time to choose an identity that is going to be what they are for the next three to five years like they belong in this list that we're talking about but you got to choose what three to five years looks like now and so I think that's that's an interesting calculus for Minnesota and and it's kind of cool to me or interesting thought exercise at least of how they're doing it and they're really segmenting things up or they're like we have an offensive coordinator. It's Pablo Perez Yoni. We have a defensive coordinator. It's David Vanterpool and we're going to do things very David Vanterpool ways which is like Portland and we're going to do. We're going to do offensive things very much that Brooklyn team that we were just talking about how fun and they had this culture and everything there and then the front office they're going to be like Houston and Daryl Morey because that's where Rosa's comes from so it's it's totally new identity coming together in Minnesota around one really good player one possibly poisonous enigma in Andrew wiggins and then a couple of interesting young pieces like you know Jerry Culver and Josh Akagi and and the rest of them so yeah that that's that's what I have on them and then I also have my basically just timberwolves podcast with just the day more going to be a podcast and you can you can obviously check that out wherever you get podcast if you WanNa if you WanNa Timber Wolves centric view on the League and at the V._A.. I'll do my plug. I'll do my plug on the farthest day. Did anyone that Summer League in the first few days tell you that Minnesota was prime for deep turn running so so who was the person it was me it was me you know why I told you they were you know you we we got together. You texted me but when they were already in there they're run okay. The reason they were good that was a good basketball ascalon team and you you do that because you have an eye for that but I knew before the tournament because those dudes have all been at the facility playing together the entire summer and it's like rather than a rag tag bunch of guys who just show up in LAS VEGAS in July. It was these dudes who I've been like. That's why they went to the championship in subway which doesn't matter I acknowledged that but the temperatures had a team of basically non M._B._A.. Players in the championship in the semi-finals of non M._B._A.. Players outside of debates diop and there were still one of the best summer league teams and that was a product of continuity and good coaching. They actually ran like an offensive and defensive systems so yeah things I don't know if you if you shine bright enough of a light things are looking up for the generals franchise. My plug is I didn't the benefit of having seen all the work that they were doing before some relief and I saw them play one or two games said they're going to make a deep run. Guy Smacked your hawks and now one game right they did the hawks have had an awful team but Amari spell yes <hes> but the the Pacers had the worst team there because Atlanta beat the belly twenty but anyway we'll we'll go back there so <hes> at Willow Glen at Lawton Willas Greg we starting our season the series next week so we'll start to bring those two teams a week. Thanks for talking through this landscape would be interesting and it's always so dates for us. 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Hour 2: Super March Sadness Update

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Hour 2: Super March Sadness Update

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Word during a NASCAR I racing virtual event the PGA tour has revised its schedule. And is targeting a June eleventh return at the Charles Schwab Challenge in Texas Gulf Back Mike at Finally? There's a mushroom that grows in the wild and tastes like fried chicken. Its name is later porous. I have no idea if that's the name. I did my best there but it tastes like fried chicken. Sportscenter is brought to you by advance auto parts. They can think advance at any time. One four batteries about the failed. Get a free battery tests and free installation with any automotive battery. Purchase only at advance auto parts for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on. Espn radio all throughout the day. Geir Mo put it on the poll please is NASCAR. The least the single least surprising place to find the N. Word in the world at Lebatardshow on twitter stugatz. This is Ian Rapoport From twitter. He's saying I had a GM tell me. The media is wrong or about mock drafts. This year than you guys have ever been point. Being players are going to be taken in places. No one expects he is saying the media is wrong about mock drafts this year than you have ever been. How wrong her Stugatz? How much longer are they? Is there a problem with that? I mean listen I. It's going to be weird because it's being done online. There's No war room which like I mean things are going to get botched up. I am concerned. I don't trust him gays and his ability to use technology. I mean he might want Judy but ended up taking a center L. This whole thing is going to be crazy. I think the big question so the quarterback because no one knows what to do or do with to And no one knows what to do there. I think that's the big question. The dolphins take him a team trade up and get them does Justin. Herbert go ahead of schedule does Jordan love. And that's what makes the draft exciting. Then that's why me and Mike Love every single year because we pour over these mock drafts and usually for the most part I say this respectfully. They're not accurate right. His on the beauty of the draft. You know why did you need to say that respectfully well you know I love Mel and mcshea and I know they're doing the best they can and they just do it the way they see it their rankings players in order and if they were in charge of the teams they would take X. Y. Z? So I just want to offend them. I mean there's no need to do that. What what do you mean offend them? Their mock drafts are very often wrong because all of this is the silliest thing in the world like that and that that and that's it I wanted you to say it so I didn't say thank you for doing it. I mean there was a year that I told Mel kiper about Bouchard Perelman. Like I told him he didn't know he didn't know that he was a first round. Pick until I told him. What does he laughed out of the game but Dan we've gone over? This Ehrman wasn't a first round pick at that point and then a couple of months pass by and okay did more study on them and realize okay. This guy's a first round draft pick. I've explained this to you a million times. You were wrong then you were wrong. Because he wasn't a first round pick then according to the chief expert and now he's a jet a dad. The draft is so great because of the mystery because no one really has any clue as much as now and todd and all these people studied the NFL draft at studied these college players. You have no idea what a coach or a GM is thinking. You have no idea if a team with a quarterback WANNA jump up and get their next quarterback and that's the beauty of all this and plus locally for us Dan because you're always trying to tie and local to the national show. I mean the dolphins are really one of the big stories in this draft with the fifth. Pick him what they're gonNA do with Stugatz. I laid the minus one thirty. I think the dolphins finally do the right thing talking myself into man. They're going to do this. Herber thing and really anger their families once again. Now it's been the story line for a year and a half to the dolphins minus one thirty. Let's go though you You Bet earlier that Justin Herbert this. I had them going after. Pick five Dan. Dan Slaughtered at pick five. So I over over the last few days remember earlier in the week. I told you men self. Quarantines got me really bummed on this year's draft because this is a communal experience for me. Excitement has been ratcheted up every time someone presses on a keyboard. I am either winning or losing money. One of the saddest things. I've ever heard it really is but let's update let's update update rather are looks like tournament The East region round to. We want to send you into the weekend. We want to be able to come back with a sweet sixteen here. And just get this pared down so here are all the remaining teams playing against each other in our looks like tournament. East region round to this is the completion of round two. And you can vote on these games all weekend at led to the completion of around two. We have more to go so really. Yeah that's yes. We only one region in round two so far this week and there's four total region so let's get cracking all right. Let's start with number one. The one seed less miles. What he looked like less smiles looks like he orders Agua instead of water at a Mexican restaurant than look around the table with a self satisfied grin I thought that was too high ranking for less miles a good good but I didn't think deserved to be a one seed. Seles miles is facing number nine Randy Scott Randy Scott sportscenter anchor represented by Randy Scott. It looks like he called his father-in-law dad. This is this is really the Cinderella of the region pulling off a modest nine over eight upset. Everything else in this region is chock. Sam Darnold a five seed. Sam Darnold is represented by Sam Darnold. Looks like it's no big deal officer. My Dad's the mayor is just a little bit of we'd Saddle. Darnold is about to lose though because I think our audience is going to vote for me times at Lebatardshow. What does it mean at times represented by meantime? Looks like a senators young assistant hurriedly walking behind him carrying a stack of documents constantly whispering into the senators ear. Your next meeting starts in five. That's no good. It might come out of that bracket number six Gardner Menchu. You think it's going to get past Gardner Menchu. Let's see. Let's hear what Gardner Menchu looks. Like Gardner meant you. It looks like an Iowa state trooper who's just been placed on administrative leave for shooting his weapon at traffic signs. Ha it is really good lender for said though did you see what Leonard Fournette just said about. You basically can't get in trouble. It's almost impossible. Well I guess Kyle Larson did. But it's almost impossible to get in trouble when everyone is away but Leonard. Fournette did an interview and he said he'd rather have Cam Newton than than Gardner. What's wrong with that? Why would global for saying that? Look rather have Cam Newton. I I understand because it's his quarterback though. It Gardner Menchu is his quarterback. Here's a locker room with them. Then let it. Fournette has been through so many quarterbacks three-plus seasons of the NFL three to four seasons. I think he's been through nick foles. He's been through Bortles. He's been through. Menchu he wants guy going to be there for a while and I'm good with that. There's no reason to get mad at him for saying. That man must submit anytime Leonard. Fournette goes live on instagram. I tune in because he's going to say something. He's one of those guys. Uh took Gardner Menchu as succeed as facing Jim. Harbaugh three seed represented by Jim. Harbaugh looks like he makes the family sing. Happy Birthday to America on the fourth of July before anyone can begin eating really good. I would vote for that. Gets through the final four. Really good this. One is one of my favorites too because it forces you to envision this person nude but Mike Leach is a seven seed and go ahead. And what is Mike Leach? Look like Mike Lees. It looks like he's not surprised to be waking up naked inside a crop circle again. This is what I'm telling you. Okay I don't think anyone in the history of sports more looks like they've just gotten up naked from hard night then Mike Leach. Act whether it's a crop circle or the floor the bed. I don't like while he's walking the sidelines. He looks like that person that you can envision he just got up and he was naked seconds ago. Tell me you're right now you're not. I can't I can't tell you you're wrong. And you're right so Mike Leach faces Trey Wingo trae wing go is a two seed represented by Trey Wingo. Looks like the guy who pushes women and children out of his way to save himself only to turn the corner and get crushed by the foot of the giant monster. Everyone is running from a so. We've got one more region done after that you're voting at Lebatardshow. Your home is important. That's why GEICO helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place. Home is where you build a giant pillow fort in your living room and when people ask why you have a pillow fort in your living room. You say it's for your dog. And when they ask what kind you say chocolate lab and we have a web of lies. That's almost as intricate as the crown molding in Fort Pillow. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help protect the pillow. Soft fortress you call home the call. 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That's why it doesn't pay for college. Play without a crowd and it does pay for the NFL to play anyway so ticket. Revenue is seventy five percent of college. Football's money according to Darren revolt. So the only reason you would be furthering the injustice of endangering the health of young people for no money is to put them in even more dangerous way in order to get your ticket money like there. It's rare that business is quite this overt in amateurism. But that's what they'd be coming back for is simply money putting unpaid labor at yet more risk so that we could get the money. And while I'm here for what Greg mcelroy is about to say here I want to get your thoughts on what Greg mcelroy said right now look couple has to be played and I literally it has to be played so they are going to play it. Come hell or high water. It's going to happen. It's just. We're not sure exactly when it's going to happen because if it's not college. Athletics will literally implode football programs. Make up an account for a round eighty percent of the revenue of a vast majority of the schools and television revenues. One thing but for some of these schools in the group of five the Mac and the and the mountain west and and the all American Athletic Conference even though they're essentially the power six neighbor lives so heavily on that gate revenue that it would be really really difficult for them to put forth other programs and to support other varsity sports and to provide. Two hundred scholarships annually. Dan He's right from this standpoint. Only that it four. We count for college sports to stay intact. They need that revenue from the football program. So I don't know if we need to play football. I don't know if we have to play football to save college. Sports eventually will come back at some point. They all might have to take a year or two off. But he's absolutely right as someone who coaches a girls. Lacrosse team and who is in charge of getting twenty girls in the college? I could tell you that they are very concerned. Those kids and the universities are very concerned that if there is no college football season there will be no other college sports seasons they make all the other programs in the athletic department. They make that they bring them to reality. They don't have those other programs. If not for the college football and to a lesser extent the college basketball revenue. Does that mean they have to play college football? I'm not certain they have to but he is right about his point. College sports will go away for a time if they don't play this year and that's a bad thing we're sure about that. Like first of all he said would literally implode literally do anything but even if it implodes and what that'd be wonderful if imploded in terms of eradicating the injustices that are all over the place they are now. This is the thing those Stugatz where me moralizing too much get super tricky and super personal. Because you know there's no surprise of me saying make a giant mess. Let's free everybody get everybody yes. Go ahead college football implode so that it can be real free agency so that people like the xfl would be back in business because the NFL would just buy it and make it. It's minor league and turn it into the business that it actually is as opposed to cloaking at an amateurism. But here's the problem. That with all of that moralizing from this particular perched guts if college football doesn't exist for ESPN. Some of our colleagues are going to get fired like we need college football and all the profit off of that injustice in order to keep people employed this company is going to have an enormous mess on its hands if there are not college. Football Games to televise and the people who are going to get fired are going to be people I care about and it becomes very very difficult to moralize about let it all implode when those are the personalized humanized consequences and there are people that I care about as well but I am asking you is is any of that. Dan Any of what we just talked about a reason to send college kids out in a football field and put them in harm's way I'm sympathetic to all of it. I mean this might affect my own daughter border. These reasons to put college kids out on a football field and have them play football so they could save. Espn naked save jobs. They're not getting paid and so they could save my daughter's college experience. I don't know our states can agree on this hour. States can't agree on what is more valuable money or human life money or health money or risk like and it's offensive to the people who care about humans who care about the risk to say. Stop making it about money but California's not making money. They're making her about health and human life Florida's making it about money. Florida wants to get it to Konami open and so like. This is the moral conundrum throughout sports throughout politics. It's a now business now. Business is coming forth to God's and you see the president is trying to get sports leagues involved with. He wants a full Alabama stadium. Because that's the argument going on right now in this country about whether to let us outside whether to let us everybody listening to this. Go outside and enjoy American freedoms. The way that we're used to enjoying American Freedoms Ethan. Strauss is gonNA join US next. Among other things a shocking trade liberal really shocking trade that he reports fact is in his new book. We'll talk to him about it next to God's when we got here that is straight talk it is brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. 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Can you tell me how not how you found that out but how surprised you were when you found out that that trade was something that had an all for all intents and purposes been completed I can't say I was shocked but there is a contingent of GM's in the league. I will say who've watched this warrior success and grousing. They grumble and they go. They didn't know everything they didn't have it all figured out. They weren't light years ahead. They were traded steph curry for the right price. And it's understandable. We forget that steph curry wasn't assumed attorney in any kind of superstar and he had these ankle issues and as far as creating Klay Thompson the two thousand eleven who was Klay Thompson. He was the first round draft pick and nobody was predicting multiple all stars for. Except maybe Jerry West so all of these things. In retrospect they seem very shocking but at the time the warriors were a laughingstock They weren't thought to have championship level players. So it makes sense to try to make a move so he ended up being a trade for Eric. Gordon Chris Kaman but what would have changed in your I understand. It's a speculative question but Ethan Strauss. What plays out differently. If Merely Chris Paul agrees to an extension and Golden State. I mean they probably don't win these championships. But what's interesting is Bin. Talal of the warriors specifically at the top level specifically the owner Joe. Lak- which is this idea of people from the outside will say Oh. This means that they didn't know what they were doing. This means that they got lucky. But I think the Laker perspective is what we would have made it work and one championships with Chris. Paul you know we would have made it. Work Organization is better. We're light years ahead. We've got quality up and down the ranks. We would have made that particular decision workout in the way it worked out by getting or keeping stuff and keeping Klay Thompson. That's the mentality from on high. I think it's crazy. But it was also probably a central to the warriors punching above their weight after Joe Lake about the team. But if they make that trade aren't. Aren't we possibly looking at Steph Curry Klay Thompson and Anthony Davis together like they might not have lost that much that season to get Anthony Davis? So maybe that's mood but isn't that something like what we're looking at. That's something that we're looking at but I gotta Say I am shocked. I am shocked. I've written a book that has to do with how winning championships doesn't bring happiness that has to do with the Darwinian crucible of the NBA and how it's more like any given Sunday behind the scenes and whatever. These team accounts are putting out an instagram. But the cutesy emojis that has all these themes that seem to be very much in the Dan. Le Batard wheelhouse. Did you become transaction guide? What happened what happened. Dan. I've just had it and fun because if I ask you one of the most interesting things in your book nobody will read the book. Because you'll just tell people all the time trying to help you sell your book but audience transaction that it needs are you. Can you believe it was Stephan Clay but God Sell Your Book Bunny? Because I don't want to give away all your audience. I have given away a little excerpt out there. We're K. D. at a shoot around is screaming at me. You don't know what makes me happy in front of the other media members that's potentially interesting. I suppose that's something to discuss this out there. I've already given that away. So that would be a they. That's that's still worth discussing. I think I'm interested in why you sat on some of this news for so long for the book because that's my kind of journalism. I proud of you. If your answer is yes ethan. I heard you guys talking about that and I have to say I was touched. I didn't know that you guys knew that you were trying to manipulate me for years to give away so they should have. You noticed it noticed. It was like Oh they they notice they really noticed that. I'd addict rights for the athletic author of a new book. Victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. What are some of the new reported details in there that the audience will find interesting? The new reported details in the entire book. You didn't read the copy. Is that you over over digital. Did You dad. This is this is the number one now while I heard I heard from your publicist. You've got one of those now and I told your publicist yes. Please send me the the copy of the book that you would like me to here. And I'm still waiting for that. Ethan Strauss guy especially. There's a very good chance. This is in some sort of folder. And he has no idea at access. Okay you should have gotten a copy earlier but the whole shelter screw things up but yeah I mean. There are a lot of reported details in there about how they formed the team. You get a lot of Behind the scenes of how they drafted guys and the dynamics between Lake and Kerr and obviously Katie. And you get a good picture of how the players were. Just trying to keep K. D. Happy enough to win a championship in that final season. And they knew he was gone. I mean that's clear. They knew that he was gone. It was not a shock as to what happened. That's in deed white dream on him. Were yelling at each other in that game back in the fall but their perspective is players was can we make sure he doesn't float away and we can have this. If you WANNA call it that last dance I guess like the Bulls had the warriors like the Chicago. Bulls knew it was coming to an end. We're to make the most of it and they came really close but for the injuries. What was the worst of it between Draymond and and Durant? Did we see it or was it a great deal worse than that? I think we saw it. I think that was the inflection point. It was building to that level. I think your mom probably felt you know. I'm not going to tiptoe around this just because everybody is tiptoeing around it but in the NBA in the NBA. The superstar gets what he wants the NBA. You have to do whatever you need to do to make the superstar happy when Katie. Got Mad at me and yelled at me in the press conference the players afterwards when I was in the locker room. We're trying to get me to apologize to because from their perspective. That's what you gotta do. You know. That's what they thought. I didn't think I really needed to do that. Yeah it's good when superstars aren't mad at you can give you more details but I didn't think it was essential but their perspective being within the NBA. As the superstar. Needs to be apologized to I think Andre said to me man you married. I'm married sometimes. You just got to apologize for some stuff you didn't even do and that's when perspective and how to handle a superstar every day. I'm wondering how do you think history will remember Kevin Durant? How are we going to look back at Kevin Durant career? Yeah that's a fascinating question. We're probably going to underrate him. Because he wants so badly for us to re improperly we do something as human beings where we can tell you want the love. We're not gonNA give you the love if you're secure and you feel like you don't need it like Klay Thompson we're going to give you all the adulation. And so that's the paradox. That Katy is trapped in. And we've got this other element that I like to talk about which is with NBA teams. We like to focus on the fall of the dynasty more so than the rise. After it's over you know David Halberstam's book on the Blazers. It's not about them winning the championship. It's about what happens afterwards shocking. Kobe when we say shocking Koby. We're we're off and talking about the Egos and how it all broke apart rather than how they played together and with my book or with the last dance which we're all gather around and watch on Sunday on the Chicago Bulls. That's about the end of the dynasty. So think what's happened at the end with. Katie is probably going to take more precedence Than what happened at the beginning and in Oklahoma City on the way to get in there the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. Get it wherever books are sold. Ethan thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it sir. Thanks guys always great coming up next we will make fun of what? Quin SNYDER LOOKS. Like in Quarantine Round. Miguel GonNA join us in about fifteen minutes student to the last dance behind the scenes. Look the Chicago Bulls Dynasty. 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We're going to update some more of our tournament in a second but Quin Snyder. Stu Gods Bit of an upset here Mike Ryan said he would have given two days of his life to see what Ray Lewis looks like without the ability to to be involved with your barber or haircuts but Ray Lewis put out a video yesterday and he looks clean. He looks great. Quin Snyder though. I've never known you've never seen him without the slicked hair. Have you stu gods without all the Gupta's air never once no Dan? Dan Dan before we get to Quin Snyder. You sent me that video of Ray. Lewis thinking he looks clean and the goatee does. But what you fail. The mentioned was he's wearing hat. Dan Hiding what's going on under that LID. How do you know how clean he looks? He looks clean with a hat. Is what I should down that. If you remember I said I pay anything of his head. All right so you'd still give up the two days to see Ray Lewis the top of his head what you'd still risks that knowing what dangers told you. I know we haven't seen the top of the head but the rest looks pretty tight so I'm assuming the top of the head probably is as well. You're GonNa days of your life of that I want. I want to know if he's seeing his colorist. Poll at Lebatardshow. Would you give two years of your life to see what the top of Ray Lewis Headline at the moment? How about this to God's though for whatever it is that you get weirded out by Quin Snyder in general because all our looks like as it regards. Quin Snyder always of him being something Greasy Usually involved with shady business deals or drugs because of or Wall Street because of all of the slicked back hair so this video of him is knock with slipped back here but whatever jokes you have. It quin Snyder's expense. Just make sure you understand that. He was better than Patino or Calipari in the pros like he has actually had a successful. Jump from college to the pros. Instead of all these other guys I mean Patino just sold a seventeen million dollar house. He's got so much money during a pandemic oceanfront here just a few blocks from where we are Quin. Snyder has had an excellent professional career. Surprising breakdown of Quin Snyder coaching career by Dan. Levin are I mean. Where are we right now? This we're in the middle of a pandemic and right now for the march madness tournament Midwest region. I know I said before that something else was the overall number one seed but I was wrong. This is absolutely the overall number one seed in the tournament. Stephen Adams Lucite Poseidon less successful brother. Joe Sidon God of canals and inland waterways. A that is facing a nine. See that. It's very strong. Stu Gods Wade Boggs very strong wade. Boggs looks like the old washed up ballplayer living in a small town who when asked by the pizza delivery man if he is. Wade boggs takes a long slip from his bottle of cutty Sark and replies with no kid. That guy doesn't exist anymore. That is that lose because Joe Signs in the Guy. Got Allison waterways just to close this loop go ahead and give Quincy Ed Snider a search on twitter just to see the most recent images because he is all out a pair product and I think this is an actual upgrade for quincy. Younger younger here. Looks like Quin Snyder. Looks like a college kid. A college hippie. You'd find him and divorced Dad. That's recently dating younger women and is found. You know the catalog of arcade fire five seed Vic. Fangio is represented by the looks like the Hawaiian tourist who adamantly refuses to be brought. Onstage during the LUAU 's big group dance number facing herm Edwards Edwards look herm Edwards. Looks like the supermarket manager. Who says there's a right way and a wrong way to stack the cans on his shelves and guess which one you did stand van. Gundy look like Crystal Stan. Van Gundy looks like the guy when eating a hot dog as the hotdog slip out of the back of the Bun when trying to take the first bite how about Urban Meyer. How about Urban Meyer. It looks like the guy who tell street performers. I only have hundreds try and Ryan looks like a guy who comes out of the bathroom and exclaims this. Ride is closed. How Fifteenth Seed Rot Palanca? Rob Pelinka looks like the Guy at the resort pool tells you to bring another round of drinks. Even though you're not a waiter at said vote all week at Lebatardshow on twitter.

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The State of the Restaurant Industry in the Wake of COVID-19 With Sean Feeney | The JJ Redick Podcast

The JJ Redick Podcast

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The State of the Restaurant Industry in the Wake of COVID-19 With Sean Feeney | The JJ Redick Podcast

"Hey Kelly and welcome to the ring podcast network. We hope the ringer can provide you entertainment and companionship. During this time so as always feel free to check out the ring your dot com where we're still covering the latest in sports pop culture tech and media and the ringers. Youtube channel can provide endless amounts of entertainment. You can find that at youtube dot com slash the ringer welcome to this week's episode of Jj Redick podcast with Tommy. Alter this week we are joined by our good friend. Former HEAD SEAN. Guy. Current restaurant. Over Sean Feeney Sean. Thanks for boys. We finally did it out there months of planning. We get it. We were actually supposed to record this podcast. Two Thursdays AGO IN UTAH. You guys. Preemptively bailed on the trip. Which in hindsight was a great choice and my team courts never never made it to Utah. It was not the right week to Fleiss. Let's just put it that way before we did the PODCAST. I was GonNa go to the jazz practice. I talked to Quin Snyder. I was going in the ninety. Four was when it all went down with Gobert. If you're watching you can obviously see if you're listening. Shawn's wearing a white kit hoodie. And I've seen you now a couple of times on social media also wearing that Hoodie and this is a question for both of you because I feel guilty as well but over the past like nine or ten days. How many times have you actually changed clothes though boy like yourself? I have an arsenal of the same shirt. I I changed a t shirt every day. Which is the same t shirt? I wear two pairs of pants basically rotate them and then the sweatshirt and the Brooklyn dodger hat. That's all I got. I have not worn real pants. I have two pairs of pants that I watch. Okay okay wait a minute. 'cause I've gone wearing right now I have to I. I have two pairs of pants that wash and I just cycle in and out of them and I probably have learned for five. Jj Sean James. Making fun of me yesterday. 'cause I was wearing a vest t-shirt but like I've tried to like SL- I've tried to switch up my tops a little bit. But it's been it's been GRIMM'S. Grimm's we recorded this podcast with sue and Meghan. Yesterday I'm also wearing this gray shirt like Sean. I have a stable of the same shirt. This is a different shirt. Is the same shirt but it is a different Scher. What makes t-shirt do preference reigning champs white black and gray and just rotate them through? How do you say that? La Company Pierce Percy James. Perse Jay's Moore's that's all I got that's my Go-to Sean so you're in Williamsburg right now. Yes how how many times have you left the house in the last week? Not Much I would say since last Friday. I've tried really hard to stay own And maybe go out once once a day to go get a coffee or just to walk around the block with the kids but for the most part. Marie and I have really tried hard to stay. Stay locked in as as hard as it's been. WanNa provide the listeners with a little background. Sean. Sean is the CO owner of two restaurants in Williamsburg in Brooklyn New York. Lilia which opened I and missy his partner business partner is chef missy. Robbins both of these restaurants. Tommy you would agree with me. Here are two of the best definitely in New York City but in the country as well is outstanding places. I know you're also involved in a few other restaurants just as a way of background. I think it would be helpful. To provide the listener with your sort of condense story of how you got to know missy Robbins and how you guys started lily together So in two thousand eight my wife and Eye Maria got married and we've moved into an apartment building in the West village and a couple of months before we moved into this new apartment on Grove and bleaker missy had moved from Chicago where she was the executive chef at a and She just got a new job in Manhattan as the executive chef at called vote voce. I'm sorry explosion in Chicago and then at Bocce in New York and when we moved into the apartment There was only three apartments in this building and I was a massive foodie and when I found out that she actually my neighbor I just kind of circled her apartment until I get some eater and over the course of the next five years. It really became a natural progression of a really awesome relationship. Where in the beginning? I was just a fan boy I would go to the restaurant a lot With with business people my family and friends and Kinda feel pretty cool. That my my neighbor was this awesome. Big Time Chefs and than Hurricane Sandy in two thousand twelve. Hit New York City. And she shut her restaurants down and I had just come home from work and I invited her up to our apartment one night that night to have dinner and I cooked inner and we kinda stayed up all night while the While Hurricane Sandy was crushing the city and we told each other our life stories the entire night and that was the night where we became friends like legitimate friends and she told us that she was going to be leaving the restaurant industry in following year. She was forty two years old at the time she had been in the restaurant industry as Cook and chef for about twenty years before that and and chooses really broken physically mentally just just needed a reset and in two thousand thirteen. She she did it. She did what she said she was going to do. And I get to come home every single night. In most of the night she was in my apartment cooking on weight watchers and my wife to support her joint. I also obviously was excited to taste the this new type of food. She was cooking and yes so we. We invested heavily into this relationship and friendship that essentially became like a family in this apartment building and in that year we got to talk about kind of a future What looked like for her and eventually led to a conversation early in two thousand fourteen of I thought the best idea for her in opening up her own restaurant was to do it with a self and it took about four months to kind of just continuously maker say yesterday but she kept on saying no finally in the spring of two thousand fourteen she did say s and from that moment on we just we went on this journey together to open up Lilia and missy into eighteen and then and then a pasta company a couple of months a couple of months ago and and it changed our lives for for for the better. Talk a little bit about this this Pasta Company that you guys recently released. So there's basically Pasta will prior to cove in nineteen but there was basically weekly pasta drops that missy where you can take busy pasta and basically take it home and cook for your family. Yes so so. Essentially when we were having all these conversations back in two thousand fourteen to be partners. She told me a lot of what she had hoped to do. Going forward in her career and one of those things was to hopefully one day have her own. Pasta company so I never forgot that and I said you know obviously. We're not going to do that in the beginning which he agreed to. But there will be a time where we could start attacking. And in the fall of two thousand eighteen we had opened up missy our second restaurant in Williamsburg and fully focused on pasta and vegetables and towards the end of the year. We have a recap every year of how it went and what we're going to look forward to in the new year and I kind of brought it up of just you know what do you think about. Potentially this Pasta Company and going after it a little bit and I was also point to in my life where I was going to leave my job of of finance so I I wanted a new challenge too and this is going to be a new type of business for us so we looked at ways to do it and There was a couple of ways you could essentially license your name out and they put your face in name on box. Oeste and sauce in and you get a yearly fee or you could do a an old school way own it one hundred percent obviously for us we were more excited to own it. One hundred percent And we were trying to educate ourselves on how to do that for the of the summer in two thousand nineteen. We really started coming up with our plan and missy was really excited about branding and designing and what it was going to look like. And she was all on that and and then I was trying to think of ways to do it a little differently in like this sweatshirt that I have on from. I thought we had the ability to create A demand and a little bit of a hype around the Pasta so the thought was when we were going to release these these The brand do it in drops at the restaurant and so in February I two hundred twenty. We started doing these weekly drops where it was in a kit in a in a bag you would get a pasta and a sauce and then an instruction part on how to do it in your home and essentially the mission was the same as our restaurants it was to create inspiring dining experiences to help make your day better and this kit did it. Even though is different than a restaurant we wanted you to create these experiences that you've had Lillian missy because the same sauces that you were having that same asta sheets. You're having you now have in your home and cook it with yourself and the people that you love and we were excited by it so I really had Mris ten years older than me in and as cool as she is it was really a hard task to get This idea approved by her Such as the use of the word dropped She still refuses to you use it. Which at times is a little frustrating. But I'll never forget on February first. We did the first drop and we did this all on instagram. We did that. We still have yet to talk to any of the press and we won't. We're just building this company through instagram and on February first we announced the night before on instagram. That we were going to do to pasta. Drop outside a restaurant missy and at two o'clock There was a line that started forming. And I'll never forget missy coming up to me like a little kid like Oh my God. Uc was happening outside. There is a a line forming and I was like. Yeah we have. Of course I do. This is what was supposed to happen. And she ran outside. Started taking pictures and video of it all and I just started bawling because for twelve months. I was trying to be so confident. That is GonNa work because I did. And then we drop every week and sometimes we had to and we've had nine so far until this virus has hit and we've essentially shut it down until it's safe again Sean. To that point you mentioned now you guys sort of resisted the urge to just do this sort of easier thing which would be to license after neighbor to put it on boxes. We've talked about this a bunch but you've also resist that urge with the restaurant itself. A lot of restaurants will do like just try to spread the name around as much as possible. You guys are such a sort of cosmic brand name in New York at this point. How did you make that decision in terms of like the restaurants in south in terms of going small rather go big? I think it was it again. It started with those conversations. We had in two thousand fourteen when she kept on saying no to me for four months we really. We really talk through everything as partners. The good stuff in a bad stopped a lot of these conversations had to with would if we fail what does that look like or also would if it would kill it would if we kill it in a way that our expectations are high. But what if we match them or beat those expectations? What does it look like our company and we were dead set on taking it slow and we believe that we were building extremely profitable businesses which is normally not the case in in Austin. We also believe that we were going to create these these really special experiences and if we could do maybe six of those maybe once every other year we would start planning our next one so every two years we would open a restaurant. That doesn't look like an empire and it looks a lot different than a lot of these other groups that do it that have had success early on but for us it worked. It was what we both agreed to. And we thought that if we could do it the way we wanted to do it. And everybody's definition of scale is different but if we scale the way we want it to. These restaurants would always be special. You'd always know that our fingerprints were all over them and they would also be really you know profitable healthy businesses and that was kind of our way of of growing and we also thought it was. It didn't just have to be about the physical for Wall. Locations as our company was defined by. We could essentially take advantage of of that brand that we're creating inside the four walls in in other ways through this Pasta Company Through the ability to potentially do other things if it was investments or some sorts of media but for us it was about building a company. Not just restaurants like you were sort of made to be in hospitality. Yeah for sure was your. It was your destiny. Yeah but I never. I never planned on it. I didn't even when I said to when I said the MRI that I wanted to be her partner. I didn't even believe I was going to leave my finance job until probably after the first month. Lilia was opened. I always thought that I would just stay in finance. And have this thing on the side to help missy and now you look back on it. It was basically a month after we open Lilia and because of missing my wife Maria. They both kind of made me look myself in the mirror for the first time. It's like something really good happening professionally and reflecting on it and realizing that I was doing the best job for me and it was. It was utilizing my ability to connect with people in a real genuine way to build. Trust not just with yes but people that worked with us and I loved it and it changed my life and I think looking back on how I've always tried to put myself in a position to succeed whether it was in sports or school or finance. I was always using our ability to build relationships in a network and seeing how I could help push things along and hospitality. I just fell into it. I always love food. I love the theater of out if it's said everything in in in terms of Mike Site for life but I never thought it was going to be my profession. But luckily it is. You brought up the word networking and I would say. The two of you are the best network I've ever met in my life and you both do it in such an authentic way. I mean it's really as it's I mean. This sincerely like it is a special talent. Perhaps new better sort of expression of this networking has been these dinners that we've been doing MRI. We obviously in the off season when I'm when I'm in Brooklyn. Tommy is in New York all the time for work We try to have a monthly dinner at MRI. I'm not even sure how this sort of came about. Whose IDEA. This was Sean. Our unit take credit. No no I N- I never take credit. It's this is. I think it's a week collective thing where every time Tommy is in town. We try meet up at Lugar for Burger and obviously on. I think when we started getting really close we were all sending each other emails all the time with like. Hey I want you to meet so and so you guys do. You're saying and Tommy at one of these lunches at Luger's is like you know what man we got. We got once. Jj's done with the season. We gotta get everybody in a room like I'll invite people you invite people. Jj invites people will just have a dinner. And I was like. Oh yeah that's like a networking connectors wet dream to do. And what they give to knowledge if anyone listening to this has been the MRI they know this. There is a a room at MRI. A lot of restaurants have private rooms but this is a little bit unique. John You could explain it better than I can. Yes so this room is the pasta room. We make our pasta every single day. Starting at six. Am until three PM. And it's the coolest room it's it's temperature controlled humidity controlled and at nighttime. It can turn into this unbelievable private dining room where you get it for the entire night you get to listen to your own music shades. Were going to be putting in these fake glass that smokes up because let's good. There's been a few celebrities that have Adler summer Yet so we've been through a of situations where we finally need to break out smoke glass but it's an amazing room and we could fit as many as twenty four people in there and it was just a great environment to have this type of a dinner so I think we had about three of them starting in the summertime in two thousand nineteen and it was you know sometimes it was ten people sometimes it was fourteen and then finally in July we had We had the big one and it was one of the coolest collections and oddest collections of people in our lives With no agenda. No name tags. I was just awesome to see people who have absolutely killed it in. So many different professions and industries come together non knowing each other and of all types of backgrounds and colors. I mean just a rainbow of people and and just put them in a fishbowl. Basically for the night and it was just. It was really cool. Yeah what one of exotic about it in and the one. We didn't September if the French. Dinner the infamous. French dinner was another example of this town. We could say it's not the cuisine The actual rapper French French Montana showed up to the dinner a little a little a little cow. Halfway through and and asks missie asks the chefs What did he ask you something about like? We had all the food out there. We this amazing cuisine serve food. French French is halfway actually there that night yet but but I think he but data sort of snob is for is you sorted ever GonNa show up but also it doesn't really matter you know the point of the thing is not to be like. Oh Hey come to this dinner because so and so is coming or hey come because it is that to your point about there being no agenda sick you just show up and you have a good time and honestly like if you don't have a good time great and again or or not gonNa vote it again. I would love to find one person that has not had a good time at except for French Montana. I live in a great time. He had a great time. Fresh foam seat Tana's bodyguards. Who were sitting on the floor at Not Have a good time the bank. You're right there johnny. There really is no agenda. I had one of my former teammates. Who who now plays in New York like he came to dinner one night and I was trying to explain to him like what it was and I was like now you just you just come in. Hang. I can't tell you who's going to be there who's not going to be there. Just a random group of people or whatever and he had an unbelievable time. I know you guys both love him. Now he's like he is. He's the man and Talking about deandre Jordan. But he's he's he's the greatest so I do. We do have to say one thing about this. So the one we had in July which basically had every seat filled in that it was the most eclectic mix of people ever You know people from real estate people from finance People from the Food World Athletes Media and this is pre smoked glass. I guess Jimmy Fallon was just dining in the restaurant. Yes yes so. So whenever I'm I don't like to eat at the restaurant because I'm it's really hard to do. It's like the biggest curse of owning a restaurant. Especially when you're huge foodie like myself you rarely get to enjoy it because you're always making sure everything's Okay and about eight fifteen that night. I realized that Earlier in the day I got this email from somebody at NBC. Saying that Jimmy was gonNA come to Lilia and I was like. Oh No don't Code Lilia come to missy tonight. I'm not going to be I'm going to be at MRI. So he came to miss the instead of Lilia and at Eight Fifteen. I was like I was having such a great time talking to everybody was like. Oh Man I gotTa make sure I see him before he leaves so I went outside to introduce myself to him because I had never met Jimmy before and I went and he was full on like doing a comedy skit in the middle of the restaurant. Everybody was laughing. Us having a great time and I introduced myself to him and Missy always make fun of me for doing this because I'm just like I'm no I'm a no but when I go up to as people and introduce myself to them they look like who is guy so I just introduced myself Jimmy and I'm like hey man I'm shawn. He looked like okay. Who like who are you and I was like? Thanks for being here. It's a restaurant and I pointed to misuse at the past. And I everything's going well and he's like us. I love this place. This is great and I was like well. Listen I'm actually dining here myself tonight. And although you don't know me you probably know a lot of the guys dining with. I'd love for you to join in at some point And he's like okay. Yeah sure and I left and I didn't think he was gonNA come in in about twenty minutes later. We're all sitting there and sure enough. Jimmy Fallon comes in with a With the grass of wine that cantor and our decanters at MRI look like Bonk's and he essentially made a joke upon entering he asked for a light. So does anybody have our light and everybody kind of like turn towards him and just belly last and then he went on a rant for about twelve minutes of just roasting me who he is and I don't know him he doesn't know that it was roasting and then he just left like he just he lashed and everybody looked at me and they're like. How much did you pay for that to happen? It was free it was free. It was amazing. It's also it's data's debt story is buried New York because that is the kind of thing that happens in New York. It's a it's a it's a because people top of each other. There's a level of randomness that happens. That doesn't happen. I don't even think it happens in a in a city like L. A. Which has all kinds of crazy things in the industry and everything like that because people are segmented every everyone's in a private room in La. You're never gonNA run into people I think in New York. It's a it's a and I think I think you guys have done a really good job with the restaurants being where they are in Williamsburg of cultivating that in the community overall. It's been it's been great. I mean Miss Missy and I we we don't. We didn't open restaurants for you know people like that to come and We we just wanted places that people felt comfortable and safe and protected and For people like that to feel normal and for normal people you know the average me to feel like they were special and It really is the case it's happened. It's been nice and very rarely has been an event where I've had to kind of step in and take care of a situation of our. Let's let's let them dined but most of the time when these guys are eating. Nobody bothers me. Nobody on our staff father some ever and it's just a friendly atmosphere where people we want you to feel safe the moment you walk into our doors and when you're in our presence to feel extremely comfortable and just not worry about anything other than the reason why you're there so that by the time you leave you feel fulfilled and happier. I'm GonNa Swing to Tommy Tommy. I don't want to call it a talent in the sense that something like you're lying pursuing necessarily but it seems like it's just a very natural thing for you to do to just reach out to people network connect people it just seems like it's just a byproduct of your life. It's an interesting question. I think that so I met Sean through you originally. I actually forgot that originally. It was funny because I think we both do within ten minutes or so that we were at a copy shop and so I think we both knew within ten minutes or so sitting down that we were going to be friends. It's because we had a lot of similar personality traits and just sort of trades in general even though we did totally different things like I know nothing about food. I like food obviously based off the show but I know nothing about whatsoever but we were very similar in a lot of ways. I think that what what Sean and I both sort of enjoy doing and other people a lot of people listening to this show or like this too is figuring out the The sort of crossovers in different industries rather than just being like. Okay I work in media and I just want to have friends that Media Sean. I work in hospitality or specifically in the restaurant industry and I just want to dominate that industry and be kind of a player there which you could do easily You'd be well within your rights of doing I think it to us. It's more interesting to find the similarities in different worlds. Because you start to realize that like everybody is sort of similar in their own unique way. And it's it's it's seeking those things being active about seeking those things out. I would say so I think look I think we all have something very unique and special about us every single person. Does I think you know for me? I get out of bed and I know every day that I'm gonNA. I'm just going to try to connect with people and I know that I am good at it and I'm going to try and lean on that ability of because it's natural for me and I'm I spent probably thirteen years of my life in finance Leaning on it in the in the wrong job and at times I was successful in times. It wasn't but I think you know you look at Jj. Whether whether it's your compulsive nece or your your curiosity like things that you do when you wake up in the morning they're just really just puts you in a better position to be stilled and that. I think all three of us have that I know when. Jj and I first met. We started introducing each other to friends of ours that we thought were get along. And that's how I got introduced me and then we all started doing it. The three of us and I think it's it's just that thing that that is it comes very easy to you and you should. Everybody has that and you should. You should embrace it. You should try and find it. It's not easy to find but once you find it you should just lean on it so much a question for you about business about you building your business because one of the things that I've noticed and I think that anybody who goes to any of your restaurants besides missing Milia Sean also involved in Red Hook Tavern which is a great new place in Red Hook Brooklyn an end hotel barbecue which is in also in red hook. The people that work at the restaurant you know part of Austin is the service. It's not just the food itself but it's we walk in the second you walk in the second you leave and services sort of impeccable but you also have a very close relationship with everybody that works there and I know we're going to talk a little bit later about some of this stuff that's been going on over the last couple of weeks but when you're looking to hire somebody what are you looking for. It's a fit really. I mean we from again like our conversations with missy and I in those four months. We really talked about the type of family and team. We were going to form and for us. We set that mission statement in the very beginning. We also set our values on how we were going to. We're going to go about it and I think you know that's important for us and the we weren't putting these words up on a on a bulletin board in the kitchen or making people memorize them We were just going to walk the walk. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA live that end if anybody in our restaurants on our teams we're GONNA we're GonNa see these whether it was the mission statement or the values. They would see them. They'd be like Oh yeah. Of course this is exactly who they are. This is what this is what they're trying to accomplish. And I think that you know we've had success of finding people who who have aligned with our values and in a in a really nice genuine way and we don't have one hundred percent retention rate but I do think we have eighty percents retention rate and we have a lot of people that work with US since we've opened. Lilia for years ago and that was a challenge that missy and I set for ourselves because in these conversations she told me straight up. She's like listen. A militia know that in restaurants that the people that work in restaurants in they come and go. We're going to have to really work hard to change that. And we I think have found the most joy her and I are working together on that where I do handle the business stuff. I handle the finances and she trust me. Never asked any questions about it and she she lets me go in my lane where. I let her go in her late. She has full creative control of everything that we do in our restaurants and and I respect her so much and I think she's amazing and I let her do it but where we come together is how we treat everybody and I think that's that's really been our secret sauce where I do believe people they buy why you do it. They don't buy what you're doing and I think people when they come in they. They see that they feel that. The reason why we're doing values and we've been fortunate to have people that have been able to buy it even especially now that that's that's even more That's even more amazing. I always wondered this harassed you this. You have sort of like gay underrated saying that diners at restaurants do that. They don't even necessarily they know is enjoying but as annoying to people at the restaurant. That's a good one. I mean the first one the easy one is missy when she sees the The INSTAGRAM IRS the influencers spending about five minutes before they actually eat pasta. Taking every single shot I mean she literally will come out of the past and you know curse them up and down essentially and you eat that effing pasta now where you leave. So that's probably that's the easy one of you. Wait five minutes. The poss not as good. I mean that's just that's just science. You can't argue with science. I WANNA video missing during that. That's been a really. He's made like she's made people cry. Basically because essentially she standing there and she is celebrity so like when people come in to eat and they see missy robbins they freak out and then you're taking instagram's of the Mafia Dini and pepper corn with Parmigiano and after ninety seconds. She literally will look at her watch and knows astor. Ninety seconds that Pasta is going to die and she runs that your table like full full sprint. And these millennials that are like Oh my God that's missy Robbins owed. She's coming towards me and then she starts yelling at you. They're like they're lost. It's absolutely they should finishes them. I would say that that would probably be the number one thing of of just the like like okay. We get it. Just eat your food. What makes what makes a good diner. What does the checklist or a good diner? Dude Tommy and I do exist. That list diners. Of course I think it's like I. I think about all the time because I am that person. Unna diner and I've always tried so hard to respect every single person. I think I think a great diner is is different. There's going to be a diner. That's like so excited to be at a restaurant in wants to know absolutely everything that that you're presenting in your offering and once really all the information that the reasons behind each dish but then there's this diners that come and they're there for reason of of business or friendship and they don't. WanNa be bothered. They just want to be there to just catch up in order to take care of something that they need to take care of and you have to. You have to recognize these. You have to basically feel the table to sort of let people experience the way they want to experience these these restaurants and I think the great universal diner is one that comes in with a lot of respect. One that wants to be friendly to people that are serving and and just thankful for the experience that that we're trying to put out there and have them enjoy. Have you ever had to like after the factor even mid meal tell a diner? Hey you're not you're not welcome restaurant anymore has ever happened. It's something that I you know. I don't have really a job at the restaurant. It's actually the easiest job in the world. At this point I tend to just get in the way of everybody. That's doing an amazing job for us. But I've always said if you need me detonate. That means that we we really go. Deep on communicating in our restaurant and differs having a really tough time with a with a guest they. They're supposed to communicate that to our managers and if the managers are still having a really tough time with the guests they come and get me and you know I have had to go in a lot to two tables and it's my only challenge really when I'm at the restaurant of of dealing with and I've loved doing it. I think it's an amazing challenge to to go up to somebody that is essentially not happy and I know how hard we try to make everybody happy and once it gets to me. I'm like okay here. We go and ninety nine point nine percent of the time as soon as I walk up to a table and sit down or just say on the owner and I don't want you leaving here in the state that you're currently at what. What can we possibly do to make you happier and Because I don't want you leaving here in the way you are most of the time ninety nine point nine percent of the time it works really quickly in fact usually when you say you're the owner that's all you need to set but there was one time it was probably a little less than a year when we opened. Lilia and the manager came up and just said you know there's a gentleman here that's that's not happy and I did the thing I just went up and I said listen can i. Can I help the situation? And he said You know he said a few words he was. He was definitely inebriated and fortunately his his meal was about Trinidad. And I just said I'd like to buy you an after dinner. Drink at the end of your meal. And he said thanks and after his meal he went back and in our back cafe. It was a little crowded so he came back out and essentially acted like he didn't know why it was and I said it is everything. Okay and he cursed me. Missy was right there next to me and I lost it. I just six. Would you say to me. And he cursed at me again and called me a name and I. I grabbed him by the arm and I walked out of the restaurant. And I said you're not welcome back here ever again and then I went to get his three friends in a cafe and I said your your friend has latched and that was it but that was that was the one time. Luckily there is no yelp review. After that what do you think of YOU SEAN? How y'all so? Here's here's the deal. I radio I'd still do to this day even though I probably don't need to. I read every single room. Do that's written about us on every single lash and that's the beautiful thing about all of these platforms existing. Now you really do get a great snapshot of how you're doing and Yelp there is flaws with yelp the fact that people drove me crazy when we first opened. Lilia and I was so new to the business I would get a bad yelp review because we had a three hour. Wait and somebody didn't have a reservation. And they were pissed that they couldn't eat and they would write a bad review about that and I would freak out because it like screw our numbers and I would you know there was also another time when when we first opened that somebody wrote this really nasty review about the people that worked with us and how they were treated by them and I. I couldn't believe it because I was there every night and I knew the person that was serving them and was just not possible. That person would say the things that they were saying so. I started writing. Handwritten letters and this person in this bad reviews told us where they lived across the street and they actually put the their name in it too. So I had the person's name and I knew where they lived so I wrote a handwritten letter essentially like it was two pages long of apologizing for for how they were made to be fell in and I never wanted that to be the case and I welcome them back in it dinner on me and the whole time I was writing this letter. Missy was like you're such an idiot. I can't believe you're an idiot. I should be doing this and sure enough. I go across the street. The building that this person who wrote the review about said they lived in and the Doorman said none. There's nobody in that with that name so finally I wrote them on. Yelp my handwritten letter and they responded back and said they were so embarrassed because they they made it up. They made the review up and and they felt so bad with their letter that I wrote. They had to come clean because it I basically said I couldn't sleep because it may be so bad and so so after that I said okay well. I'm not going to go so crazy anymore about this yellow thing but what I will say. Is this whether you're Pete Wells? Some person on instagram. Some percents YELP. We actually review people every single night to resume our reservation platform where we get to review. We say Hey. These are the questions we want you to use on. Please do it. We look at them. We look at every single review out there and I think that's the beautiful thing about all of these platforms. Is that if you really embrace it and invest in them? You get a good sense of how you doing yes. Of course they're going to be ones that you dislike. That is the dumbest thing ever. Don't even pay attention to that. But you do get to see themes and you get to act on those and I would say yoke and ready and Google instagram. Like those reviews are way better than any of these other like critics now where they come to your restaurant three times. And that's it for the record have said this before but I've never once made a restaurant decision based on yelp. I refused to use YELP. I refuse to look at. Yep knocking happen. I also believe in the in the Gladwin saying we're glad glad we'll kind of talk about this. You know people that are generally going to go write. Something are upset. You either like have like it's amazing if you've okay experienced in a restaurant it's like the Vino APP when I drink an okay wine. I generally don't go put a star next to that a great line five shitty wine to right so it. Kinda skews things one way or another i. I used to trust the professionals. I e the infatuation and then they went so wrong on large. Suzy review that I had to scale back. Might Trust them. But you you still have sort of like of stand boy Thing going with attach relation. I've a fan boy thing with a lot of stuff you know that can i? Can I make my yelp defense for a second? I've told you before the show before we're going to get the the benefit of Yelp to me is not with a restaurant like yours where it's gotten all the reviews. Everybody knows it's good. Did it all that like you. Don't need read the MRI or the Lilia yelp to know that you should go there. The advantage of Yelp is if you are in another part of the country that there may not necessarily be as many reviews especially in place. You're not familiar with and you WANNA have a good meal. That's you find the diamonds in the rough do you. Do you feel like that is fair. It's okay I mean I think this is a generalization but yelp to me always has a negative slant. It kind of leans negative. I just don't use it ever as a diner to go out places because of that as an operator I love yelp I do because I know that it's negative slant but I also know that infatuation and instagram leans positive and so it's it's a good balance to those very positive platforms but for me like I think there's way better things to look at a diner. I never when I'm going to another city on never looked yelp. Just because it's it's to me is a is a negative slant. I'd rather go to infatuation. Were just Google or ask friends I use. That's actually the first thing I do always. When I'm going to a new city I ask friends like where? Where am I supposed to be going? How difficult has the last few weeks pin for you and Missy Given the sort of effects of Corona virus on the hospitality industry and. I know we've talked about it. But you know just how gut wrenching. It's been in relations to people that work for you and your team and your your restaurant family. Yeah I think you know it's it's interesting in January. When it first came out in in China I honestly had this weird feeling like okay. This is this could impact us and it really like accelerated so fast and we were the three of us. Were basically living in real time and I would say for me. I started thinking about contingency plans a month ago when Seattle is on lockdown and people are dying. And I'm like okay. This is going to impact New York. I started doing all these shocks to our our business and I came up with this feeling that okay. Even if our business goes down. Seventy five percent of sales goes down. Seventy five percent will be able to stay open. We'll be able to be profitable and that gives me some peace and comfort but then as the weeks would go on. Our sales weren't going down at all but knew that the ultimate outcome of this thing. We're most likely going to be not just sales. It was going to be closure and every decision. I was trying to make that time with missy. We were walking this. This balanced your threading a needle between keeping our restaurants of place of safety and health but also at the same time keeping him a place where people felt protected and comfortable and Those people were not just guests. They were our our family. The people that worked with us and there came this moment where it was two Sundays Ago. Where we just had to say man. We gotTA shut down. We're no longer able to say with confidence to our people that this is a safe place for them to come work every night and that was crushing. I've never been so sad in my life. I honestly have never been so sad. I telling the people at Lilia issue that we were going to be closing and I wasn't sad because we were shutting our business down. I knew the moment we felt it was safe and I still do once. It feels safe to do it again. We'll turn those lights back on and we'll be as profitable in his busy as we've ever been but what I was so sad about. Was that initial saying this is no longer a place where you're going to be safe to come every day knowing that because of that they were now completely unsafe outside of our restaurants in the form of their financial security because everybody each person two hundred people at work with US agree percentage of those people are living paycheck to paycheck and the moment we closed the business we had to we had. We had laid off of centrally and they had to get unemployment benefits immediately and they started there are risks and that was was really scary and there was no playbook on on how to go about this. This was never done before it was it was like a Google Crisis Management. And it hasn't been done before but in in twelve hours you know missy and. I were texting like crazy when we finally got back home on that Sunday night and I was just so sad and she was so sad and we woke up on Monday. And I said let's meet a Lilia at seven o'clock in the morning we met Lily. And we're like okay. How are we GONNA do this? How are we going to make these people feel better and then Mitchell thing was? Let's is three-part plan. The first part was we're GONNA pay them immediately for what they did last week. We're going to make sure that we help them. Get unemployment benefits as quickly as humanly possible. let's let them know we're GONNA pay for their time off that we would have paid this this year anyway and sick paid so essentially two weeks of pay and then also anybody that's been on healthcare. We got him until the end of April. At least let's give them some sort of help their anxiety this morning by saying that and then we felt good about that I attack and then the second prong was okay now. How can we bridge because I started doing all this work on? Unemployment benefits. Essentially unemployment benefits. Were your your your income was cutting hats at least a half and so how could we possibly get them up to what they were making like? Make them whole or because this wasn't their fault they want to work. They just weren't allowed to in safe. So we came up with this idea of starting a fund and we just went to our community very quickly and launched this family fund and fortunately a lot of people have followed and most restaurants. Now have these go fund me funds and it's an amazing thing and then lastly we thought it would be really cool in this moment where everybody would probably be so sad and it's time to give him some sort of excitement or incentive So that when we did open up they feel like they were participating in our in our success when we finally were allowed to do it so we were able to give everybody when we do open back up until the end of this year. They will participate our profits with us through throughout this year. And honestly through this entire situation this these two weeks now that we've closed our doors. We just fought really hard to make sure everybody that works with. Us feels protected and excited to come back. And that has been are only are only saying that we've put our efforts into and then on the side. I've worked really hard in in the background of just trying to get some of this. This bill finalized and worked on. But really it's been about taking care of our people missy and I were fortunate. We've had very successful businesses. We bill and they're going to be really successful. When we open back up I would say sixty five percent of the restaurants at least that have closed because of this virus will not be able to reopen. They were not very healthy before the virus. This virus made these businesses fail sooner than they probably were going to but now that we have people protected this bill was passed today and signed tonight. I think now it's kind of like all right now. What's next when it when it is safe again and missy and I are very on the same page of this we're not rushing back we don't need to rush back to open up business because we need to When it is safe now how are we GONNA do that? 'cause it's GonNa look a lot different especially in the beginning. These look a lot different for everybody. I know we've talked about this quite a bit in the last two episodes psalm eight but just how much this shutdown has impacted the hostile industry and living in New Orleans. The last eight months Met some amazing people down there in the industry for any listener has the ability to help any way you can. Your favorite has a fund. I trust me And if you could find on social media that you if you can help out any way you can. I mentioned this to episodes ago. But there's a lot of people are going to need food needs food and If you have a surplus whatever that may be you know please donate to your local food bank. If you don't that's not I understand. A lot of people are struggling with this right now. But if you can give by all means please help. Is this bill this bill? That asked is amazing. It's an amazing thing for people in America. It's honestly this is. This is why we should have faith in our country. Despite any politic view. You have what happened in occurred this past week with this. Bill is should give anybody face in in our country in the best of times and now in our darkest time where we are with this bill going to be able to take care of people on Main Street and it was a very different This is a bailout. It's a very different bail out than the crisis. The Financial Crisis in Oh eight where that crisis was created by people who over levered themselves and took advantage of systems and they ran out of money. The bank surrounded by this is a very different type of crisis and the country reacted in an amazing way and it is so amazing to see the support that we've received so many other restaurants have received with these funds that have been set up but it's also amazing to see the response of our country. Our government that that has that has this bill is is. We should be very proud. That this occurred in Apple. Sean this is sort of a specific restaurant question but you know even with these shelter in places all over the country. A lot of restaurants have takeout. Delivery explained the listener Are Jj night as well. Because I think that word obviously novices at this like what sort of financial hit? They're taking even if the takeout very successful. It's huge the restaurant model is pretty simple model. It says very simple financial formula where you have two inputs of sales. It's beverage and food and then you just have to manage a couple of fix costs and then a couple variable costs like food and beverage and labor and what happens is when you start losing sales when your sales decrease all of these other things all of these other expenses become out of whack and what happens in New York City a typical restaurant formula. You should never have your lease that you sign before you open business. Which is the biggest cost that you could possibly imagine? It's fixed for most people if you lose sales and your sales decrease your occupancy cost rent cost goes up and it throws everything out of whack so in New York City you should never be over. A percent of sales hang in rent were occupancy end in New York City a typical restaurant especially Manhattan is like fifteen percent of sales. People are spending on rent fifteen to twenty percent so when you actually start losing sales and your sales decreased by fifty percent which happened in the past couple of weeks with a lot of restaurants. Your occupancy costs goes to forty percent and you can't possibly make up the difference anywhere else. The price of products aren't going down with prices. Labor's going really down. You could fire people you could have less people working for you but really just became this huge decrease of sales throws the entire formula offer restaurants. Now the restaurants that are trying to get through this and to change their business model you know I. I don't I don't know if it works for them. I think he can. There is a lot less people that you could possibly employ but in order to pay your rent and all of that thing you just have to. You have to change your whole business bottle in the delivery takeout thing. I think what we're going to see coming out of. This are going to be great opportunities. One of them being the ghost kitchen. Ghost kitchens haven't worked for the past five years there's been many businesses that started goes kitchens that failed but I do think through this This time we're going to figure out a way to ghost kitchens and I'm excited about that. I think I think it is a time where we could We could build a new form of hospitality in a in a pretty authentic and delicious wet. Let's pretend for second that you're having your last meal and let's pretend that you get five courses in that last meal and these five courses very specific things I he not a hot dog if it is a hot dog. It's gotTa be a very specific dog. So that's this week's power rankings. You're you're you're five courses in your final meal Tommy. Why don't you start us off? We need to make clarifications on I want to hear. Let's go are we doing with wind barracks? We'll get to the wine. Are we doing our all time meal in New York? And Are we going specific? So we're just we're just talking about what we want as the food so it's not about the restaurant it's just what you want for each course. You seem to be confused confused. I think it gives you go first. I want you to hear yours I have mine but I want to hear yours. I okay. I'm actually my first two courses. I've doubled down on shellfish so the first course would be a half dozen raw oysters from the Walrus and the carpenter which is in Seattle. The second course would be the classic. Thomas Keller dish oysters and pearls featured at the French laundry and I believe per se as well it's a Sabacajan of Pearl Tapioca with Beausoleil And White Sturgeon Caviar. It's insane ask third so I'm going to double down on my third fourth horses. Well I'M GONNA GO PASTA for both courses at. I think Tommy agreed beforehand. We were not allowed to say anything that was from Lilia or MRI THIRD SPAGHETTI. At Large Fourth. Course I was just GONNA say any. You know sort of Pasta with truffles but very specifically the Tagliatelle with truffles At the Surf Club in Miami the last great bowl of Pasta with trump was that I had and then my fifth course. I'm GONNA have Some some meat There's a there's a little hibachi grill in Kyoto called Edo Kyoto's about two hours from Kobe and Had Kobe beef there on the grill. It was the most delicious red meat I've ever had in my life. That would be my final course. I feel very good about my choices. I feel better about choices today than I did about my cereal choices last week because people killed choices all you got to the wine pairings man. That's this is your this. Is Your Shit right there. You know all right. So here's what I was thinking so for the raw oysters. I JUST WANNA local craft pills nerve from Seattle. I'm cool with that. Of course to three. I thought I could take my time with a bottle of domain lef- love Chevallier Mara Shea a grind crew white Burgundy Chardonnay grade for the tagliatelle truffles and Kobe beef. I would obviously. I'm GONNA do a a Red Burgundy. I know role. Truffles was go together. But I get his stick with one bottle of Red Burgundy and I would do a Tosh and make it a great fit like that I I'm up. I'm doing all New York because I was misinformed about what the topic was and I need more time to do this national. It's just impossible for me to do this ten seconds but I haven't ever list I haven't list. And when Shawn comes on in two weeks at his and his repeat appearance we're going to go through are going through national. That's Yeah Okay. I got Sean on every week. I'm in Boyce. I got nothing but time I I course. Dispatched OCTOPUS TABOOED MIDTOWN WEST. Fifty second tents amazing Lebanese Mediterranean every everything. There is great but the Spanish octopus appetizers incredible. The Salad is a Caesar Salad from Ph. Rose forty third. Second if you've been there. Jj though but the fact that you chose this is your last meal your life. You don't have to have a salad and Caesar Salad but this is the this is. You'RE GONNA pick a salad. I knew it first of all. I don't think the sound is that healthy but it's an you're gonNA sell it. It's the Best Caesar Salad. The world just place Beatrice The Pasta Don Angie in the West village they have broken be Borugu which is phenomenal. Entree a new edition crown. Shy Lower Manhattan roasted short rib with braised ends in maturity which is which is really. Good those guys. Those guys are killing it. They're killing places. Incredible it's very weird setup but the food is amazing and the dessert would be a flour less chocolate cake from Baltasar. What are you gonNA drink tonic? I don't know because whenever we go out to eat you guys shoes. I feel like I don't want to put myself out there with the wrong choice. I WANNA let jj L. Y. Drink the wine that I just took the line that he picks hopefully stay into. I'm most I'm most excited to hear this shit because I know I. I'm so excited for this. I am so excited this so what I've been thinking about is I could potentially do every every dish I eat before I die is right here in Brooklyn in and I'm not going to do that. But but what is what is amazing about where we live you know. We have the best chef in the world's in that Cooks Pasta Monsieur Robbins. We have the best tip master in the world's billy earning and we have the best pizza. Ola PIZZA MAKER MARK. I Kona from Lou. Collie I'm not GonNa do that though But it is a pretty amazing thing where we live. I would say the five dishes that I'm taking our dishes that I actually wake up every morning and I think about. I don't know if you know this but I have this crazy photographic memory and there are dishes that like. I know that exact day that I ate that and First things first. I would have this last meal in the Secret Garden. It Luke Kelly outside that would be the place that I had this last meal. I would start off with an agronomy And I would then go into a bottle of dom because every celebration as you guys know now starts in my family because my dad with with Baal adopter in yawn and I would have a starter from Masa. Which is the Fatty Tuna Tuna Iranian? Caviar on a little piece of toast that you start off every meal at Moskowitz. I would then go John Vince. John and Binny's has a gem lettuce and collaboration Chili dressing. That is absolutely fire that I cannot. I can't get out of my brain. It's essentially a spicy. Caesar Salad and it's just perfection with that course I would start a bottle of emidio peppy tech arena. Oh it's a it's like a white from route so it's my favorite white and then pasta it would be on Bucatini amateur Jonah from Babo. I had bist this dish February. Twenty third two thousand five was the first time I ever had dined at Babo. Changed my life. The BUCATINI CINA is perfection. Guan Xiali Red Pepper red pepper flakes Sammer Jonah Tomato and Bucatini is just like a very stick spaghetti and with a lot of cheese mixed in at the end Entree I would have from hometown barbecue. Beef Rib Billy. Dernie is probably the greatest meat cook of all time. I I don't know how to say it but this beef ribs is perfection. It melts in your mouth that I thought that was may eleventh two thousand thirteen at hometown barbecue and the desert is firm. A Little Tuscan restaurant on west Broadway Canal No I had this desert the first time November fifth two thousand eight. I was married for about two months. And it is a ricotta cheese cake and it is greatness. It's Creamy it's perfection and they actually have a New York Times article written about it. I think back in the early two thousands and my wife and I tried so hard to recreate this this cheesecake and I think they gave you the wrong recipe because we can't get it and neither can missy but we do this thing where when we go to parties will always call EPA Lino and order twenty four hours in advance. I think they charge us like eighty bucks for this for this pie and when we bring it to parties is the showstopper and from there on out people always talk about this ricotta cheese cake from. Pepe Lena with dinner. I would drink Jacques which. Jj put me onto Burgundy and yeah that would be my my last meal. And because it's at Lou colleague and I was only allowed to pick the top five because it's that locally in the in the secret garden I might have to steal a meatball and a slice of Pie. You know go with hot peppers and shallots honesty. Hard to leave a slice of blue-collar Out of my top five and also I thought to myself if I was going to have a last meal. I just WanNa go have a piece of their and bring a bottle of Red Burgundy. Like that to me would be a nice last neil totally and mark hugging while while we're eating in a setting is also an incredible call. Well I don't think I don't think Tommy. I don't think you've ever been with me back out in that garden. I. Jj have we have. We're allowed to hang out together again. Hopefully soon in the weather's nice will have a really nice meal back in In that secret garden. There's nothing like it. It really is a special magical place guys when we can all be in the same room together. I really do think that's the call. I think it's I think it's a pizza. It's I always call it. I will bring the wine okay. I'll bring some Jack. Maybe we do the boys dinner the Friends of dinner at at calling when we first when we can gets it. Sounds like a plan. Very Amazing Sean. Thank you for the time man. Always good catching up. Stay say right Steve. Thanks so much for listening. This week's episode of the PODCAST Tommy. Alter lots of food talk. Lots of restaurant talk Really enjoyed our guest. Sean Feeney. Our good buddy. Do you have any questions comments concerns? It is up on twitter. T- alter and JJ underscore radic also hit us up on Instagram as always. Thank you for listening. Tommy would you like to add anything we we signed off. They say they say everybody

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ESPN's Zach Lowe

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ESPN's Zach Lowe

"Everyone welcome in to another edition of the JR pod. My guest today, Zach Lowe, we hit on a ton all around the league with the very best of the best. Here's my conversation with Zach. Welcome into Zach Lowe, Zach, how are you hanging in how you doing? I'm great. So opening week in LA Zach, right? It's almost like I feel like we're staying at the LA law down in LA live. Our offices are here and the hotels here, and of course Staples across the street. And when you have like both the clippers and the Lakers are going to be home, they're in and out this week and you have visiting teams, you walk down in the hotel lobby and the nuggets are there, and the rockets are coming in like it always feels like it's, I don't want to say some travel tournament, but there's just so many teams when you're when both teams are home this rolling in and out of LA live and it kinda, especially with LeBron here, it really does feel like this is sort of the epicenter of the league now. Yeah, and the nuggets who are here are one of the few teams that actually stayed downtown anymore more and more team style. So I went to the gym yesterday at the hotel, and there's Beasley me Beasley, like one right to the gym. And I know when the nuggets arrives like me Beasley, the first thing you did was like he went down to the gym, like, all right, Molly Beasley, that's pretty good. Didn't say anything to him, I think. And this goes to how teams travel, like their certain players in the league who dictate where the team stays, they don't wanna stay down. Most guys don't wanna stay. I think coaches executives would just as soon stay downtown in one of the you walk. You can walk to shoot around right, boom, right here. But there are players who wanna see every team has won. Some are the one, the absolute, very top of the league summer guys who probably don't really deserve this, but the best thing their team has and they have to live with those demands. But yeah, there's a lot of guys who wanna stay out Beverly Hills. The other one too is how long a team stays in town. Let's say you have an extra day off. A coach might want to get his team out of New York, or maybe even out of New Orleans and their star players who will say where we're staying an extra day and they gotta do it. The. Thunder believe are here now or maybe they stayed in the bay last night, but they don't play till. Friday, so they're gonna have a couple of days there. And I was wondering, I wonder how long they're gonna stay here, you know, but they're going to stay here. Yeah, I think teams for whatever reason. I think LA everyone can agree on a lake because of the weather, and we don't really whether it's a team having to go back early to where they are or onto maybe a more mid level market. We don't need to be in their a day early, but I always think there's a has. I think teams would rather not stay. You can do. You can do whatever you want, but but I think whether does keep some of these guys here. So opening night Zach, we've talked about this the whole off season, not drawing conclusions, but I think we all fell Boston's the best team in the east. But there were a lot of people who thought Philly would have to compete to be the second best team and not only is Toronto in that mix. But Milwaukee is, I think you feel to that Phillies benches a problem. It's going to be a problem. You saw it was a little more dramatic opening night and they're going to miss Ilyasova. They're going to miss belly. I mean, those players helped them both came in on buyouts last year, and I think would be an interesting one for them to is what they do at TJ McConnell because they discussed an extension just had some conversations about one, but also he's in demand on the trade market. I mean, there are teams who would love, you know he's a terrific backup for anybody in the league. And if are Philly, do just feel like full-time has this. We don't need to keep TJ around his insurance policy or Browns always, really, really liked him. And he's from the very beginning. He's one of the players who survived the early rebuild. I think he'll be it'll be to see what they do with him to as we get closer to February deadline. I should included him in my predictions calm because he is sneaky. Eligible for an extension. One of those, you know could go up to one hundred twenty percent of the average salary. I don't think he'll get one because I just think they're going to be so protective of their cap space, but they have, as you said, discuss it. He's honestly, he's pretty good. He looked pretty good. He changed that playoff series against Boston last year when they put him in the starting lineup for Covington, he shot forty three percent from three point range. Now he takes longer than Meyers Leonard to actually shoot a three. So he doesn't shoot many of them. But like if he can actually shoot decently on wide open threes like and I just look is one game. I was a little lower on the Sixers, I think than consensus, not even lower. I just it. They're just rarely do you see a team, this good that has such a huge fundamental question. Hang over it as big as like, can Marco full shoot like, do we know that he can shoot and last night was one game, but it was not an encouraging start. Yeah, I think it'll be interesting because their position ago out into free agency next summer. And they were this summer and and try to sign an elite free agent. There's more guys out there next year. I think for them the challenge will be and you hear people in the players who would consider Philly. They're going to want to know this. Our Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid are they attached? Is that relationship where it needs to be his partnership where needs to be? Because if you're going to be the third guy coming in, you don't wanna walk in the something where you're in the middle of something. And I'm not saying this, I think they would all agree. They're not close. You don't have to be close, but it's got to be a really good working partnership. And I think that's the messaging. I think those too much as anything they're like as an organization. And I think it was a big part of their interviews in the GM process. They asked that question to candidates about free agency, and I think one of the things that kept coming back to them from candidates was more important than who the GM is, and maybe even the coaches where are Simmons and Embiid are they attack. Attached or they connected because that's what's gonna impact getting third star yet. And you know, people are going to hear that Philly fans are gonna. Hear that thing here goes in media, you know, trying to do the Westbrook Durant thing again. I'm like it. I mean, the Sixers have talked about it openly like JJ was on. My podcast said, you know, it's, it's, I don't remember what he said, but he didn't poop who the entire idea that it's something everyone is just kind of watching. I don't think they're close and they're just sort of watching it and seeing how it goes. And I think part of it again in terms of like they're being such a huge. Fundamental question about Fulton game Simmons is also a very unusual player. It's unusual to have elite ball handler who is hesitant to take elbow jumpers even. And it's it means that he wants to live in the post a little bit, which is where Joel wants to live. It means that a Simmons Embiid pick and roll is just a strange animal that has never become a steady steady part of their diet. And that's. Simplest way for a ball handler, big man to complement each other and they can do it, but it's not like they run twenty game. It's it's just there's a very strange for such a talented team that won fifty whatever last year they're just it's a strange team, Mike Schmitz our draft analyst who and both he and John think of only they were big believers in Brandon Ingram in that draft, and they still felt Brandon Ingram had the upside to be the best player the most complete player over Ben Simmons, and I'm gonna talk to Jonathan about it. But I know Mike still feels it that he still thinks Ingram over time because of his ability to shoot the ball and some other things is that crazy. They're dare scouts who think it's still. I mean, there are scouts. I really respect. Who were on the Ingram over Simmons, train at the draft and remain on it now, and you have to be very, very high on Ingram's still be on that train. I'm high on him. I'm not sure I'm that high. And the belief is that look, you get into the playoffs and you face an elite defense, the lack of shooting just become so much harder to navigate than than it is in the regular season, and I would Simmons more important than can he ever shoot and elbow jumper or never mind the three pointer he's going to have to make his free throws to me. You said he so unique and with players. I always try to keep this like don't spend so much time on what guys can't do because there are some guys who are so unique and he's one of them we've got to look at what he does do and the way he the way he can dominate a game. But if he can't become a much better, throw shooter, I think that more than anything will limit that team in the postseason. I'm starting to use the word unusual instead of unique because we always miss miss. I'm going. I'm going to go on a crusade against unique because people say unique unique means like there's only one but and they're not. They're just unusual. They're strange, like there's just strange players. Marquel folds is everything about Markelle Foltz strange. And I think look Brown said he was going to do this already. So he prepped everybody, primed, everybody, like we're going to start JJ in some second half over Marquel. If that's the way the game's going. You did it last night. I was pessimistic about this lineup, experiment working in the short term. I get why they're doing it. I think it's interesting and smart long-term play. It's it's just strange lineup, Zach, you look at some of the new coaches in the league and the way the impact teams. And I think everyone's focused on Mike boot and holder in Milwaukee and how they're going to look and how he's going to impact Jaanus in the rest of that court. I think Mike is there's a lot of guys in a league when you, if you say always liked to play this game, if he did a coach's draft and he said every coaches available and where would you select them? And I always say, sort of do it for the next five, six years. So like maybe take pop out of it. He's probably going gonna coach that long to me. There's a few names that always come up and no particular order. This is who they are, Brad Stevens air exposure, Quin Snyder, Boone Holzer, and that's a specially among what would we consider the younger guys in the league where Carlisle fits into the if the next five seasons kind thing. He's, he's certainly accomplished coach, but I think. If you are starting over or starting somewhere or just, Mike is in that top five six group on anybody's list. And I think his impact Milwaukee. The other one too, I think will impact his team greatly this year, Steve Clifford in Orlando, and you think his first year in Charlotte, twenty game improvement. Jefferson really helped the team that year. He was great and Kemba was starting to come into his own. But what cliff does is he really tightened up the festively organizes your team, and that's what they've been Desa foreigner, Orlando that so much turnover so much change. And I think Jeff Weltman and John Hammond were desperate to like, we've got to have a coach for the foreseeable future. We this organization as much as any player personnel, all that they've had. But I think those two guys to me are difference makers this year. I'm a little worried about how high on the books. I just think there are team. That makes sense. Like all the things we said about Philly, like the bucks is just put a lot of shooting around on us and go like, that's easy. I understand that that's easy to do that works. They have some depth questions. Maybe not as severe as Phillies until Wilson, Chandler and moose gala or health people forgotten, Wisconsin and play last night. Like when they were talking about this issue's important part of their. Orlando, I thought or Landau could compete for the eighth seed last year, and then they got off to that eight and four right star star, whatever it was when they shot the lights on us, it's okay. That's that's intriguing and then they completely fell apart. And I just don't, you know they're going to do this thing where they play Gordon on the wing again, and they're hopeful that Isaac vich are good enough shooters ball movers to make that work TB. They just have the the point guard plays, what is is just what worries you and you just can't. It's hard to go chase a playoff spot with DJ. Augustine Jerry grant is your point guards, so I don't know how they're going overcome the elder than being in the east. And these still stinks from from, you know six to the end. Support for the pod comes from rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans America's premier home purchase lender. Let's talk about buying a home. 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Additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on Quicken Loans, data in comparison to public data records equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and LS consumer access dot org. Number three, zero three zero. What Boston's done in the east and the way they've separated themselves from the group. And I, it's funny a western GM said to me last year, we're talking about this that there's no team in the west, even remotely close, built close to even put Philly in that group that that Boston Philly have these two young nucleus is great young nucleus. A we could talk about some of the flaws would Philly, but we're, we're nitpicking. They're set up to be really good for very longtime. We're talking about sending that last step. I mean, nobody would deny. They're built. They're gonna win, fifty games in their sleep by the way tribute to them. And how did they aren't Hello coach that were or you talking about sending the last step that that far along? Yeah, and and Toronto and their future depends on Koa like their if they lose after the season, then you can see them certainly headed toward a rebuild, but they had that young nucleus a slide in, you would imagine that team very different of quite stay going forward with. Lowry Baca going into the last years of their deal and excetera so, but it will be interesting to see the balance of power in the league, especially hypothetically, if k d did not stay in Golden State, even Katie leaving there still wars. He'll be a contender, obviously be dramatically different team, but but they kept everybody else still really, really good team. But I think the way we've looked at the conferences, it may not be long before, you know, as we know Boston is built for barring catastrophe is built to dominate the league over the next however, many years and the great filly group. And then Janas Milwaukee has a transcendent under twenty five year old star to continue to build around will keep them himself will keep them around. Fifty wins almost no matter who they put around him. He's that good. And so the balance of power for the first time like you can sort of see down the tracks. What we have seen in the west for so long, I think, is starting to. We've always said it's cyclical accept it isn't. It's been this way for very long time, but can't you see the starting to change like really changing and may not be long? Yeah. I mean, the top of the east is, I mean, you could you people have argued. I think people are a little bit low on the rockets, but that the second and third and maybe the fourth best teams only girl in the east. This I, I don't. I wouldn't go that far. Milwaukee has some fascinating decisions to navigate with blood. So in Middleton, hitting free agency and just, you know, I would. I would bet that they keep Middleton to half the pay middle and not Bledsoe. You set it in your prediction, thirty million dollars. He's going to be if he can't leave, they can't let him if he has a good year, he's gonna get paid, but their challenge is going to be okay, who's who's the guy who's the next guy who's the third guy? Because I don't. I don't know of Christmas quite good enough to be the second best player on a championship team, and that's why you know missing on Jabari and a couple of other things. Just it just kills you. And Boston. I find Boston fascinating for this reason this this this debate has now started to get into the media, right? Does Boston have a superstar, like a real true blue no-brainer top eight player best player in a championship team and. I'm not sure they do. I I've, I've referred to kyri Horford and Hayward as a minus superstars and snow. There just aren't that may straight a.'s. Now Tatum is coming. Tatum will see if he becomes a top player in the NBA, but he's coming. I think that's actually an interesting argument. And I know it's one that front office talks about a lot is, and that's why you're gonna hear Anthony Davis associated with them until Anthony Davis is signs of supermax or somewhere else. I happen to think that those three, let's leave Tatum out of it that those three veteran guys are so complementary and, and that they all kind of lift each other up and don't overlap so much. And then you add in the Jay's jail in Jason. I think that I'm less worried about Boston, lacking a quote, unquote, true superstar that most people are, but you do hear people say, well, if they meet Phil in the playoffs or if they Toronto in the playoffs, all that matters is the best players on the other team. Yeah. And I think think Gordon Hayward to the uniqueness when he signed with them and free agency. Like he's going to be their guy when they signed Gordon Hayward, it was well, this is a star for us in Tatum just been drafted. They thought he was going to be great. But Danny, I really believe in them, but nobody expected that rookie year and by the way walks right out game one last night, like maybe the best player on the floor for the Celtics. Yeah, but Hayward has a game and I think Persson. That if he has to take, he's not an alpha he doesn't have. I think he can be at when he needs to be. You saw his final year in Utah where he saw him start to take over late. He can do that, and he also can defer let someone else do it in and he fits in to that blend well, and I think about great young nucleus is in the league, and I left out Utah that they are the one team in the west who's Bill agewise with Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert and that infrastructure. And I think they're going to be they were once Rudy came back last year that second half of the year into the playoffs. I mean, they were the best defensive team in the league. They have an early coach in Quin Snyder and Donovan Mitchell. Listen, you never think about Utah's a free agent destination. That's not how they've ever been built. They've always built through the draft and felt like, you know, they've had to, but I do wonder, I think Mitchell listen. They're not going to get that a list free agent, but. They can sell winning their and they can sell a basketball crazy market, an organization that has everything in place. And I think there will be a year. They'll be somebody who they'll get at some point in this rebuild who is not going to be Kevin Durant or a Leonard level, but just a complement to Donovan Mitchell who I think we all agree is going to be a star. I think they're position to do that unlike any other, maybe small mid market. This is why I think Middleton is going to get. I mean, if you told me middle gets the max, I wouldn't even be blown away by that. I don't think he will. But all of these teams that have cap spaces summer that are good, but are not going to get Kevin Durant and quiet Leonard because they're not LA New York, whatever it is they're all gonna look to Middleton is like, okay, that that's a guy maybe as the personality likes. Small markets has complimentary player like we can get him. And I don't know that you necessarily need him because they're loaded on the wing, but he's really good speaking of you. Utah, by the way, kind of slipped under the radar amid all the summer frenzy. Three years, like twenty nine for Dante. Exum is going to be a really interesting contract to watch how it looks a year or two or three from now, because with we still don't know what he is and he's the highest draft pick. They have that they drafted on the team and they traded for favors who was number two or three or whatever. He was. You know that what he is the fruit of their rebuilt. He's the fruit of their tanking more than anyone else, and we still don't really know what he is is an MBA player. I mean, you've seen flashes like it's all health with him. I think they think he if he's healthy, he he way out plays that contract and it was a good contract for him. Brandon Rosenthal. I thought I thought it was for guy who's been injured a lot, and you know, you look at Justice winslow's extension at thirteen million. That number may be surprised some people. Now, I think maybe having the team option, the third year allowed that number to be higher than maybe Miami would have done, but those are players who teams drafted, they believe in the talent and they say, okay, like we're going to financially like there's some risk here, but like you have to hit on. If you're Utah, you've gotta hit on those guys. You just can't go on free agency and that players like the other one for for Utah's. Unbelievable. Unbeliev Dennis Lindsay is. Like the Sixers should've tried to get Dennis Lindsay when they were big game hunting, and maybe they did, and you know it was like, no, no, you don't get to know. You don't get to get him the Sixers made more than one phone call to Utah for candidates. That's fact thing I forgot forgot about just the whole Justin zanuck Comey how many interviews to Justin zanuck have? How many dinners did they take him to Trey Burke? The other one like Trey Burke was number eight, eight pick. I think something like that and use rebuilding his career, New York, but those those for small market team. Now you make you more than make up for it when you get Mitchell at thirteen or whatever, and go bare at twenty. Seven. That's just ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. And you, you find Joe Ingles for nothing. And like, I think we can turn him into an NBA player. Joe Ingles is a, I mean, above average as a slight to join join. Those is really good. Yeah. And I think Ricky Rubio those a rebirth for him there Quin Snyder was the perfect coach for Ricky Rubio. He's a player who wants. He has a tremendous humanity to Ricky and tremendous value to having a relationship and connection with him. He is a very family oriented guy. Remember one of my favorite days ever in this business was I was in Spain with team USA was playing before the Olympic before London. They're planning the next mission game in Spain, and I went there with them, and then I went spent the day with Ricky in his hometown, which is overlooking the ocean outside Barcelona, and we drove around and his car's grandmother live next door to him and and he just feels things strongly and he did not. You don't get that from time typical. And I think. Like you, you don't get that from him. And I really thought, I think Utah believed when they traded for Rubio that Quin Snyder would be tremendous for him. I think that's exactly what happened. That's another player coming up in free agency that I'm sure I would be surprised at both sides aren't gonna work really hard to find a way to stay together there too. Yeah, I wrote a little thing on Rubio a couple of weeks ago that doesn't make the story, but talking about his family and his community with his girlfriend. I think it's his girlfriend. I think he's married owns a restaurant in in his hometown and like the jazz sent an army of people to go visit Ricky over the summer like three or four different people went and saw him and like Ricky just just goes in like washes, dishes at the restaurant, just goes and like, how can I help out and you need to wash dishes in the back of they put them to work. She puts him to work at the restaurant. That's what he does in the summer. That's awesome. Yeah, he's a remarkable and Rubio. I've kinda gotten to know him at every stage. I remember spending time with him before he came over and. He was. I mean, he's really an original childhood prodigy. And I mean, he was a YouTube star. Fourteen fifteen years old. Turn pro stone. Fourteenth birthday was playing Spanish ACB fifteen with thirty five year old. And and there was like this sort of feeling while he's sort of plateaued, you know, he hen come over yet to Minnesota and the way they worked to buy out and you know his had that tremendous Rick year and then the injury. And he's just one of those players who so much of it is about circumstance and situation. And where do you end up in and boy, he found the right place. He really find the right place for the jazz. I hope it says I weigh because I'm a big fan of his is a person in a player in and I do think he does something. He's always been a fascinating play right? Because his teams have have played better with him on the floor. And yet he's had this glaring liability as jump shot where people have said, well, if against in the playoffs, you know, it's teaming scheme him. It's just not gonna work, but there's something he does. That helps you win and the jazz bet. On those number, you talked to the jazz. We know those numbers. We bet that there's something there were not sure what it is, but we think we can find it and we think we can bring it out. We think those numbers are real. And you know, last year last year I it was. It was almost like a heat level when the heat were eleven thirty and thirty and eleven or whatever the whatever it was. It was almost like that and it just, but boy, did they get low last year into come out of it at the way they did is like, you got to have a strong. That's why voted Snyder coach at the like you just have to have such a strong culture to be able to do that and what they did with Quinn to think about this. They got him hit. I, you know, two losing seasons and give them an extension after two losing seasons. I gave a five year extension at a pretty good number nine, an elite contract number, like if he was available, like if he was up for his deal now that pay more, but it was a good bet they knew what they had in him and they didn't care about the record the first two years. They knew it. They had, and he took the certainly took the security of it and end up being a great bet for both of them. But I think when you look at and you set it like Dennis Lindsay Quin Snyder, you know that front office, you mentioned Justin zanuck David way that's a and it gets back to ownership that that's an ownership group. They don't mandate things. They don't short circuit, they hire good people. They let them do their jobs and then they say, what do you need and more and more you look around this league Zach and you can see certain pockets of short term success with ownership, but you can't be good over longtime without really good ownership. We're seeing it in Phoenix or seeing it and Sacramento. We're seeing plenty of other places that wouldn't whenever GM's talk about this job or that job or coaches to me, it just gets forget, market sized, forget whether free agents wanna go there. Who is your owner? Who is your owner. Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic mentioned Sacramento and Phoenix, and it's just it's just a mess in those places. Today's episode of the woke pod is also brought to you by Sonos, meet Sonos, being the smart compact sound bar for your TV and newest addition to the easy to use home sound system play everything. You love and joy, music, radio, movies, TV, podcasts, and more Sono supports over one hundred streaming services. You can use airplay to enjoy sound from your iphone ipad on beam. It has brilliantly clear sound and beam fills the room with rich sound and joy, debase and detailed stereo separation for music plus crystal, clear dialogue for TV and movies, easy to set up beam connects to your TV with just one chord and syncs with your existing remote. 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I was like the lesson that they should take from the heat is that the heat stood by Spoelstra because if you think you have a good young coach, if you think he's good, genie thinks he's good. She said that publicly, I don't know what magic things that Pelinka things. I assume they all think he's good if you think looks good. You think he's a worker. He smart. He's going to be a good coach. You have to withstand that pressure, whatever that pressure is, because it's like if you if you fire a good young coach like that, and you don't have a plan, then you just become the magic where you're on your fifth coach and five years, or you become, you know, pick a team where it's just like it's just endless like, oh, we've. Gotta rebuild our culture. Again, we've got to rebuild our culture. I'm fascinated to see how disciplined the Lakers are and maybe LeBron doesn't care. Maybe there won't be any pressure at all, but if they are five and seven or if as win horses written, if it's January and they'll Brown starts to get get cheat that they're not as good as hopes in everything he says now doesn't turn out to mean anything about being patient all that when they're two games under five hundred in January few, Luke Walton is good. You gotta be very, very careful. We know where the blame will go. It's like LeBron's aren't gonna, get the blame and he's not going to want to take the blame on. It's going to be. It'll be the coach. It'll be teammates. There'll be a succession of scapegoats or maybe there won't be any. Maybe maybe maybe the I I'm optimistic about almost every young player on the Lakers including Lonzo the veterans that they signed will see. So and everything LeBron has done starting with signing three plus one suggested he's going to be patient. So maybe there will be nothing. No. And you said it though with with Luke like Magic Johnson, rap Lincoln in higher. Fallen g bus hired, Luke Walton image Cup, check that regime, but genie and Jeannie has been a starch advocate for him, a defender of him. She allowed magic Plunkett a come in and really do what they wanted, which strategy and free agent strategy and roster. I really believe Luke Walton better non-negotiable for her. Now it's different when LeBron's there, like if LeBron feel strongly in one way. And I'm not saying he will. He has in the past, but you mentioned Miami and Erik Spoelstra was able to have the credibility with the players to coach that team because Pat Riley demanded it. And when they went to Pat Riley and said, complain about this and that he said, Eric's to coach, go down there and play its Indian Thompson's book, which like is Riley remembers. It LeBron Wadim bash when into his office around when they were nine and eight and LeBron just said, get the coach again. And Pat said it didn't go any further than that. He did not ask me to fire Eric. He did not suggest that I coach the team, but I think I knew what he meant. No, we didn't talk about it again and that was it. And like. And then you look at Blat and you know, Mike Brown. It's like, you know, I, it's, it's just he comes with instant expectations and that's because he is the best player in the world. And he's not the only star. He's not the only star who will wield that power saying it's. Saying it's it's even a bad thing. I'm saying like strategy that's a win that was the league. When Matt listen, you know, magic wielded power when he played for the Lakers he wanted change and there was changed like that's the route, but you're right. How does that organization? Because you can talk about culture is such a cliche and everybody uses it. And I wonder sometimes if the people who throw the word out even know what it means, but it starts with this like you talk about what he culture is. It's what Riley did when they walked into his office. He didn't even open up the conversation. He didn't allow the conversation go down the tracks. He shut it down. And if he thought air exposure was just a mediocre coach like like a Xs and os wise, I don't know if you can hang maybe would fired him, but he thought that you have to think the guy is good. You have to. He thought he was good thought he had already proven himself. Good. And if you think the guy is good, you just changing coaches. Is it just then you just become the Suns. You just like how we have. I don't think people appreciate this on air exposure. If you made her exposure free agent tomorrow, he'd be a ten million dollar your coat. I said this on my podcast last year I had a team reach out to me in the middle of last season saying, do you think the heat would trade us, Eric, spoil show for our first round pick? And I said, no, I don't think it wouldn't be worth. He wouldn't. I wouldn't. I mean, I know they wouldn't. I know they and he to know how he is viewed in the league is I think people that was not an easy team, the coach in Miami, what people think. And he got things out of LeBron LeBron had not been willing to do as a player. He made a LeBron more complete player in Miami. There's no question about it. He's the best coach LeBron James as our plate for his fizz has got a lot of credit for that too, in terms of his post work, and I'm excited to see what phys does New York now. They're gonna stink this year on purpose, but I'm excited to see what is good. I'm sorry. I've gotten a sidetracked on a coaching conversation, not. You know, it's funny. I saw Jeff, said Utah, coaching, New York, and Jeff loves to do Jeffy and Gundy, which is Jeff, always gonna, find the guy who just got fired. What Jeff's son of a coach. He's going to defend coaches and I admire him for it. But he was asked, I think one of those conference calls about fizz in New York, physical coach, but you know what, like they'll be good if they have good players. They have mediocre players. Love, mediocre record, and he's right. Like in the league, like you need players to win. And I think New York will be interesting this year because I don't know the standards so low there for. Sometimes I feel what the Knicks the standard is while it's better than it used to be here except the standards. It's the Celtics in the warriors, and that's what the standard should be not. Well, it was so screwed up here in the past. It's a little better now, and that's what I think you're always finding against in New York, and I think would is the shirts. Well, a team compete. You know, the dot have those twenty five point losses at home and where the teams just giving up seventy five points in the first half. And you know, I think fizz is you guys could be pluses, minuses, or neutral and free agency. I really don't think players take coaching into consideration which I really don't think they do because the coach is always disposable and LeBron was unique. He didn't care. David Blatt was the coach. David Blatt was disposable, can always get a new coach. And while I think phys helps in the, I don't think there's any question phys helps in the room. Fiz has the respect of star players in a league. You mentioned. LeBron Wade and Bosch, and there's a credibility that he has that they give him because of how well they positive experiences they've had with them and lots of recite physicist, horrific. But I just don't know that the head coach any head coach at a league makes almost any difference and sitting in a free meeting, the standards for the Knicks are just don't trade the ninth pick in a draft Andrea Giani. That's all the fans don't do that. That's held to standards are just like beat that and l. of this is like everyone is, oh, you've heard this fifty years all the, no, you can't rebuild a New York. The Knicks can't rebuild. I think the opposite is true. I think being in a big city in a big market like that makes it easier to rebuild because they're like they're gonna make a fortune no matter what does it matter if these stink or not. They saw it every game. They're gonna make a fortune and the fans are smart. The fans what's going on, they they don't want to trade the number nine picking draft, Jabber new. They want Knox to be good. They want nil Akina to be good. I think it's really interesting that they're starting him as a two. I think that's actually kind of smart. I'm interested that works out. They want porzingas to get healthy. They want another high draft pick and like if they'd miss Kay, if they miss Katie, that's like, let's see where the team goes. Let's see what happens in. That's fans are smart. Like they understood they just wanna plan and they don't want to be told every like just show us a plan and follow it and and hire people who've done it before hire people who've had success at the highest level. And we're New York. We should be able to get anybody. We want to run our team and so listen, I think Scott Perry, I think he's gone about it. Exactly, right. We'll see how it plays out, but I think like they just find a plan. I think the cl- the clippers are doing right now is very below the radar what they've done. The put themselves in position. They didn't gut themselves in. They're not tanking. Put a competitive team on the floor and listen they have, I think right now with coil Leonard, they have a better than not chance. Of getting him now, we know things will change. He could love Toronto. He could fall in love with the fan base and not care about the weather in and maybe they get to the finals. Maybe they upset Boston or who knows? We all know lots can happen, but the clippers are in great position with him. They have to max lots they will be heard from again. I think these Jimmy Butler and trade talks. Interesting, right. I think they're out you think they'll come back and look. I think a lot of teams are gonna come back and look. I think Minnesota will get more real. There's going to come appoint Minnesota's gonna have to get realistic about it, but they start like twelve, no. What if it all just works? I I've just never seen anything like this before. There's open contempt hatred going in like seven different directions and they're like, you know what? We're just gonna play, but here's the things that they were three seat in the west last year before Jimmy. Got hurt. No, I agree. The relationships weren't any were like, they didn't like playing with each other. Then and of Jimmy Butler doesn't get hurt all needed a couple more wins in their three or four seed based on how. Tied it was you're right and listen, 'cause minutes does Minnesota still say in the end, you know what? We don't think you'll turn we can still offer the most money, and we're going to roll the dice because if we don't give you what you want, which is trading your bird rights to a team you want to go to and then they can pay the five years or pay the seven percent raises seven percent raises. We're going to keep you all the way and we're going to dear you to leave for now. I don't know that they'll do that. That's such a risk. But with that, be the craziest idea of taking deal. You really don't want. I believe Glenn Taylor came on the record yesterday in the Star Tribune and said, yeah, we don't think he's gonna resign with us. He's made that pretty clear. Trade him. So. Publicly express no confidence in that. But does he have to say that is Jimmy going to play the way they want him to play if they're saying anything about that? This whole thing is just it's, it's absolutely look. People are gonna say, we've had situations where you know whatever the Yankees was at the Yankees were like twenty six players twenty-six cabs or whatever, Red Sox, whatever, whatever, it's not like new. But like I, it's never been like the guy publicly will the guy privately. Now it has been made public requested a trade. There's like social media drama. There's a practice where he comes in and tells everyone they stink without him and trash talks to general manager and the coach and others can go play like, it's, here's a thing. Jimmy Butler can say that to Scotland one hundred times a day in the locker room in the office in the hallway Tump to doesn't care. He cares if Jimmy Butler plays and the day that Butler walked back in that gym, the practice, Tom. Title. One opening week is here and he's going to play. That's all Tom to wanted. He doesn't care what Jimmy says everybody around the building. He doesn't care when you're the president of basketball should have to carry, should have to care, doesn't he doesn't? He cares if he plays and he'll live with all the rest of it. Unbelievable what a league? Yeah. But back to the clippers though, here's the thing with them to me, star players wanna play. You have the market. Okay. In LA and they have like, you know, you look at the group. They have of Shaquille Zander and Patrick Beverley. And you know, some of the role players that are there to me. Star players wanna play with hard playing guys who do dirty work because that's not there to be stars. And when you have guys who play hard, who do the dirty work and you have those guys around to me that makes your situation more appealing. And I think they've done a good job with the clippers of collecting some guys like that that make them a little more appealing in free agency will be interesting to see how that impacts quite Leonard's thinking. And and Jimmy Butler has made it clear that the clippers are loved to be there. The Lakers are not really consideration, and you know the Lakers are going to hold. You know, they've got that one spot. I think they think they can ultimately do better in that spot than Jimmy Butler. And but I do think as the Butler talks do get going in and I agree with you, I think in the end, they trade him. I think it's too great of a risk when a guy's telling you absolutely not. Not because then you gotta face your fan base when he walks away and he told you, you guys, listen, we got nothing for him. Look at trade it for him, but I do think all these teams that we've talked about and reported about having talked with Minnesota. I think they all circle back and I think the asking price will have to go down and then they'll be some real serious talks because I don't think there were any really serious talks with anyone, but Miami again, Miami Houston or teams who can't get Jimmy Butler and free and they don't have kept space. The other teams don't have to their infrastructure for a player that they could sign in July. I'm rooting for the wolves to start twelve. No, no. Now that I've now that said it to speak into existence. I want the wolves to start twelve. I want the wolves to be like undefeated for a month and just I just wanted to continue to get more bizarre. I agree. I hope this goes all the way to the trade deadline. Our podcast can't go that far. We gotta get outta here, Zach. Thank you as always for jumping in and what we'll do it again soon. My pleasure. Thanks for listening to this episode of the wo- dot big. Thank you to my guest today. ESPN Zach Lowe. 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Playoff Basketball Is Back: Breaking Down Jazz vs. Nuggets, Raptors vs. Nets, Sixers vs. Celtics, and Clippers vs. Mavericks | The Mismatch

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This one well above the NBA. Playoffs. Did Not use a lot of the Kevin O.. Different nicknames that I received, but I will tell you that. Our listeners very good about coming up with Kevin. Regards to argue some of the subjects that may be broached on this very podcast. NBA. Yeah So yesterday we started the NBA playoffs and right out of the box. I must tell you that the jazz and the nuggets, which is the first game of the day. Was I think much much much better than I had anticipated it being I say this because the jazz we're GONNA walk into this thing really short handed. They're already shorthanded with the loss of Bogdanovich and congratulations to Mike Conley on the birth of his son but he had to leave the bubble and so that takes another offensive weapon out of their arsenal and they're playing against a Denver team that is extremely deep and is utilizing that depth. I mean they still. Don't have Gary Harris back still don't have will Barton back these are two thirty plus minute per game guys, and so I thought Utah really up against it, and maybe there would have been really up against it if not for this just insane literally historic performance by Donovan Mitchell yesterday, but it's still not enough and this to mad game of Murray and Yokich. kind of takes over in overtime for the nuggets. I was pleasantly surprised at the competition level of that game And obviously Mitchell that is A. That's an all time for sure. I mean it literally isn't all fifty seven points only the Fourth Guy League history to score over fifty in a playoff game when they're under twenty four years old yet remarkable stuff that we saw from him last night and the fact is is like with Mitchell scoring fifty seven points he doesn't have enough support there he didn't have my conway here for me didn't have blonde Bogdonovich as we've been talking about how that lack of the secondary presence would hurt them in their post-season chances. Would that said Jamal Murray going off at the end of that game scoring thirty six points hitting a continuous run of shots. I was perplexed why Quin Snyder kept? Joe. INGLES on Murray instead of putting. Roy. So. On Murray O.`Neil is a better man to man defender in ingles was trailing him in virtually every single shot that Murray took whether it was a floater near the way or pull up jumper ingles was behind. O'Neill had five fouls at certain points during that stretch. But. So what if he falls out? So what? So what you need to get some stops here in ingles Is Quick footed enough in order to keep up Marina. Quin Snyder is a good coach but I'm really surprised that that he stuck with that when Murray was just going off their stretch of that game. This is Joe ingles that did a Yeoman's work on Paul George a few years ago. You know what I mean like that guy that doesn't exist anymore, and if you're expecting him to be able to man up against the shifty guard like that I agree with you, that's troublesome. You do wonder if. They put up one twenty five in the game that went to overtime but. You know like outside of Jordan Clarkson. You really didn't have another guy that's GonNa you could throw the ball to and he can go get a shot and that's what you need in those moments. So it kind of felt like either Donovan Mitchell is going to go for sixty five points in this game or the jets are GonNa lose because who else is going to score I mean when you're really your second best option to throw the ball like that does not have to have the shot created for him. Is Jordan Clarkson on I'm shocked again I get it the at fifty-seven. So that's why they're in it but I'm shocked that they were. In it like they were inhale they had a good lead going into the fourth quarter. I do think though we busted insider for a minor decision. The Guy is an outstanding coach because the truth is. Yes he got this great performance from one guy but team has no business in my estimation competing with the nuggets right now especially, without Conley that nuggets team is so much better than them. When you see the guys they bring in off their bench. Just, it's night and day from what Utah has to bring in off of their bench you know and I mean goodness sakes look they started at point guard yesterday most people looked him up. There like who is this Guy Jerome? Morgan me he's undrafted out of Indiana. It's like this is what you have to start in a playoff game. This is crazy. They need more from go there. They need more from bear. Bear is one of the best ever to do it. He us and that's protect the Ram. That's be you know an enforcer that's the drop on pick and rolls and and and play the style of defensive. He's best at but there were times watching last night's game where I'm like the drop is ineffective you to come out and show on the pick and roll. You gotta come out in hedge even blitz against some of the two men game that we saw from Yokich in Murray but he didn't do that either that's on him for not making that adjustment on the floor or that's Quin Snyder for not having the trust in him to make that adjustment. And not only that on the offensive before there are certain times, we're go baird caught the ball around the elbow or or near the wing and on threat to shoot, and he's not a threat to pass either he's not a guy who does a lot for you on the offense of except for finish around the Raymond, set some really good screens I'm not taking anything away from him, but go bear you know and on a night where you don't have. Your you're starting Morgan. You're mentioning their lack of creators. That's when you would hope that the guy that is coming up for a supermax extension can show a little bit more for you on the offensive end floor then he usually need. When he's with the other guys and he doesn't have that and him and he didn't have it in that game. Well, he is what? You know and we talked about this what is going to be and I? Know you said, you still think you could be a championship level team with a guy like him and fit is important. But you know when you had brought up Brooklyn as a possible destination that you talk to people around the League of. If. He is not to stay in Utah. We know this he is that mold of the shot and he is a function of the other players on his team expecting him to be individually. Very good. That's just not him. I mean, it reminds me love. It's not he's better. He's better than this but it reminds me of De'andre Jordan when he was on the clippers because, yeah. If Chris Paul is driving and throwing you alleyoop slam, everything's gotTa be created for you I can't throw the ball and expect you to be doing stuff with it and I know when he's up for supermax but that's just not he is. The Rim runner defense. Stalwart but. He's just that supersized like but that's what he is. He is that guy that's GonNa help heal anchor your defense, and then you got create the shots for him because he create in that thing himself. I mean, this is I. Don't WanNa like go into like who the top fifteen players in the NBA. But this is why have a hard time with go bears sometimes? The most valuable players in the League of the guys who can get you a bucket who can create buckets for others, and of course, the guys who can stop buckets from occurring go bare does but it'd be nice if he was able to be a bit better in one of those other categories and when it comes to his defense like I said, the drop style is normally devastating but in that game. They, they would have been better off making an adjustment weather that was putting O'Neill on Mary or whether that was having go bare change his style of pick and roll coverage as the big man defender, one of those two things or both maybe that game ends up. Resulting differently for the Utah Jazz and they end up stealing one against the favored Denver. Nuggets. Despite not having all the guys that we just talked about and calmly and Bogdanovich, well, I do one there to a going forward I I thought doors Berg. Was Great on this game and one of the things that she. She's a she's awesome. Man I mean. We got we got some good announcers withstanding gundy emerging and yet and Doris Burke being you know as good as she is well Doris mentioned and it's something that you and I talk about all the time I talk about the the scar tissue you get from being in big games from being in big spots and especially in the play offs and there was one moment where they looked so. Calm. And cool collected running this two man game with Murray and Yokich down the stretch to end up taking an eight point lead in overtime. You know this is this is the moment where you you need it the most and they knew exactly what they wanted to get to and they executed perfectly and they made the shots and she rightfully said. You've got to remember these are these are two guys that last year they played in two game sevens. So I mean, these are the they've got a lot of now big game experience right and these are the lessons that are learned from being in these kind of spots where you don't panic and you see so many times like last night I'm watching. What game was it? What was the game that would have been right before the the mavs game before the Toronto Oh it was it was the Celtics and the sixers but that game is pretty nip talked the last couple minutes of the game and there's A. There's a possession where the ball gets whipped around. They throw it too tight at the top of the key, and he just lets the three fly and I'm thinking to myself like like this can't like you're GonNa get away with this against the sixers. But when you're down to these possessions, this has to be tatum has to be Jalen. This has to be Kemba I know that Hayward had gone out with a sprained ankle and I know it's an open shot but again. These are the things. Your best guys are the ones that have the ball in their hands, and now it's time to deliver and I think being in that position multiple times already Yokich and Murray you saw that they were. They're totally ready to deliver when the when the moment came and they were always. Kind of funny watching it was just Marine Yokich over and over and over and over and over and over again. Down the stars of that game their best. Players. Not Day more. Morris's small-time. Morris is A. Really really good backup point guard. Yeah. I mean he he has everything you want he tries hard on defense you make smart decisions on offense. He's a really good passer who can hit you know basic simple passes and make some creative passes to he hit spot up threes. What do you want for your backup point guard really stabiliser team I'm Kinda left thinking I never thought this is going to be some kind of quake series but there's so which side should I fall on more the Bro, Dude scored frigging fifty seven and they still couldn't beat that team or the walkout competitive that game was already if they get. Conley back for a majority of the series, this could be a really long competitive series, which do you side more with? I think it's going to be competitive anyway because both sides are are missing respective important role players but I like I said, would the side of Gobert? I. Am curious to see what type of adjustments either side actually makes the sort of change what they can do or change what they are because with Gobert dropping. That's not GonNa Change with Mary taken pull up twos pull up threes change with Yoga catching the ball around the post and maybe being being able to expose some things on the from that side, but also Yokich and Michael. puertas journey got shredded on the other side of the floor by Donald Mitchell by that Utah Jazz, offense. So are there things that might Michael Malone can do on the Denver side that helps enhance their defense because unless though defensive proves they have no chance in the next round then no chance against the clippers assuming the clippers advance which I especially after last night get that win that think they will. So for Denver I mean they need to show as well. They can be better on defense I mean Denver, I'd pick them in this series. But I I guess my thoughts change too much after game one because they came one feels like a a a singular game that may not have so much that we learn from for the rest of the series because are we gonna see fifty seven points again from Mitchell probably not probably you never you never know. But probably not, and so I. Think I WANNA see game to before really like having a foal vibe on the series except for some of the little things that we've talked about like pick and roll defence or Yokich is individual defense and stuff like that. As the season goes on I always talk about guys that you get a different respect for when when you see them. Up Close. When you see them in person and I will tell everybody out there. The idea that Mitchell drops fifty seven, and also if you go back to that dunk contest, he is not he is a small guy. He's not he's is not a big guy by any means. And in fact, I met him last year at all star weekend and was around him. And he's not he's not a big guy at all and to watch him go out there at dropped fifty seven. You know some of these guys like the Janas and the lebrons I mean they're absolut- physical specimens and Freaks, and so like you see it and and even some of the other guys that are extremely tall. He's a little Guy Mitchell is ed. What a player bid seriously that you and I have been on him since Summer League you know a couple of years ago we were. Running this bandwagon but. I don't know if I ever foresee solid circumstance where he's dropping fifty seven in a playoff game I mean. Grace it's like it's like you could be right but also you can be wrong. With Mitchell the draft I remember I wrote some article with the headline of like the you know the the twenty seventeen draft sleeper. A Combo Guard from Louisville or something like that and and it's like, yeah I haven't rank temp in the draft i. feel good about that and I think he's going to be a good guard. Know can run the offense or playoff ball and he's a grinder on defense. And then he's a guy turned scoring fifty seven points in the first round of the playoffs. It just stop something that you expect, and so you can see a player becoming a good role player or a really nice piece on your offense, and maybe something a bit more than that. But you can't foresee things like Kim scoring fifty seven. You can't foresee things like him being the level. Of player that he isn't still only twenty three years old still somebody who should conceivably get only better and better, and better as the years go by look with Mitchell, he does so improve as offensive efficiency his jumper off the dribble still get even better around the rim both at finishing Anna, drawing fouls to further elevate his play and his consistency you can still get better as a passer. And yet he's already doing this already capable of this even at least under a single light, it's he's a special player man and we need to flip to the other side because you wonder exists the Murray. Is, the Murray playoffs this the ascension where he moves into a different category because he's you know he's already got huge contract but this is much like a mccollum type guy is one of the great players in the League that has not made an all star team yet a guy that we look at it and think Jeez man he has. He's Kinda. got a chance at that fifty, forty, nine, hundred thing I believe is what doors mentioned yesterday and I agree with that outstanding player but this could really be especially. If you know, goes off this series and. The clippers will be an ultimate test for him, but you do wonder there's always some guys that take the big step up in terms of public perception and at least for the first game. There's a lot of people that watch them. All Murray and thought my God. I mean this guy looks like a star. Maurice, a killer but I, I did a story on the nuggets a couple of years ago I talked to their general manager Tim Conley and and Tim told me how like him and drum all get together they live near each other all the time and one of the things that he always try to emphasize with Murray, and this is again two years ago he's like we need more consistency from you. You can't go one night scoring thirty five points and Then have a fourteen point game. We want to have twenty, six, twenty, seven every night consistency with your results consistency with your points per game consistency with everything. That's what we need from you for you to take the leap and with Jamal Murray. We did see a bit more consistency this year, but he's still only shot thirty five percent from three. That's not at the level you want for him to be that fifty forty, nine guy you're talking about like, Mari? is a really, really good player who's really really young still. But I do want to see in this postseason for him to take that leap. You're talking about you gotta get some more consistency in that way whether it's consistency from him shooting threes off the dribble which has improved or whether that's consistency with him like just raining threes off screens handoffs. You see him have another thirty point night and then twenty five point scoring night not A. Not a fourteen point night next time around yet and with mark with Murray. That's what commonly his emphasized to him, and that's what he mentioned to me a couple years back and I think we're still sort of waiting on that and maybe this is the series for that to actually happen because things can click. He's still so young. So as we are making our minds up on. Series after game one, we move onto the next one and no offense to wrap. There's fans no offense to Brooklyn fans but in terms of my notes that I wrote down from this I, I? I have nothing to analyze the oh I swear to God the only thing I wrote down. To analyze is. Wilfred vanfleet get the Max from somebody. Like because. Okay. Let him go. He was absolutely unbelievable and as I'm watching that game I'm like you know I went through the the free agents yesterday just to scan through and his name POPs off the page because he's got championship level chops. Now with the rain, he has I chronicled the record they have with him in the lineup somebody absolutely would make them. Their lead guard. And they would be right to do so. But. He's there in Toronto for now and as you say they, they need to bring him back He had thirty in the first game guy hardly missed a damn shot. Toronto could win this series in their sleep. Brooklyn, didn't I mean look they left six guys at home. So this is a poor remers Asian the they could win the series without Fred. Vanfleet. I I'm not kidding it would be a hell of a series. If they said, you know what? We're resting our starters till the next. It really would. I'm not so sure could the raptors bench? Win this series. If, I took out Gonzala Baca Vanfleet. Yakking. Bench. Technically. Okay. So we're counting him as a guy okay and I mean. Nor. Pro. It'll be. It'll be really close series. Let's not let's not disrespect the current net starters though with Robert, Jared Allen and COO roots and Joe Harris Choirs Garrett Temple your guy. So I mean then you're talking about like these backups, you know that aren't getting any minute certain bring two guys. But be competitive but but the fact is, is that like that's not going to happen. So Fred Vanfleet is a guy who, yeah, I mean we'll have more time in the future to talk about what Arnold does and what he might do but for him to blossom into the players just remarkable you know see him go off and final game of the NBA finals last year against Golden State, what he didn't game one against Brooklyn. He's he's become a reliable point guard who can get buckets for you and a hard nosed reliable defender a it's a guy who brings it every single night a guy that their coach can lean on to get buckets, ORLEAN ANA get stops in those types of guys are insanely valuable and for Toronto they can't lose somebody like him but they also need the because they need somebody like him to be that shock reader. It's not gonNA be lowery every. Night, it's not going to be Siaka, every night and as the opponents get tougher moving forward, van bleed is just a critical piece to what they are on both ends of the floor because of his ability to get stops and because ability to create opportunities for routine weather that's for himself as a score or is or others as a passer I. Mean What? What? A player man? Oh, and he's right there in that conversation of the greatest undrafted ever. Then what Ben Wallace name always comes up because of his you know he won one title is the defensive anchor was several defensive player of the year awards but vaguely he certainly in that conversation of the greatest players in the crazy thing is he played in Monster Games in. That is just it's an unbelievable mess because he played for a great team in Monster Games he's playing like the Kentucky team when it comes to the TWA tournament he there are other guys they've got Ronnie Baker got. You know drastically Anthony early got drafted I. Mean there were there were guys from the Wichita system that that got there. And even. After he was gone but he's like the one wichita guy that everybody passed on Chertoff he ends up being the best one and clearly one of the great undrafted players I missed so hard on him I mean everybody went undrafted but like I look back at that and I'm like, what was, what was I thinking? What was everybody thinking, what what are we looking at to think this guy a guy who's knocking at least be like an average role player I mean with all the stuff that he did it, which saw state I mentioned like the defense I. Mentioned the shot making those are all true things for him at Wichita State. I think. backdraft guys guttering report and Twenty Sixteen before I got hired at the ringer and I look back at that and I look at the negatives I said, lack of foot speed limits ability to create an isolation struggle scoring at the rim due to lack of explosiveness. No floated a makeup for Adam struggles subpar lateral quickness gets blown by against corker ball handlers off. Ball defense is solid but doesn't do a great job of fighting through screens and like all the positives of the stuff we've already mentioned the you know all the shot making the high basketball IQ that the trying hard on defense the making winning plays. That's all there. But I feel like with him I just leaned too much on he's six foot one he's tiny he. Hasn't finished around the rim well, which is true as a guy who played four years in college. He still wasn't finishing well around the rim, but I feel I. I. looked at those too much and I and I I'm guessing this is true for most people in the NBA considering one undrafted and I and I emphasize the negatives too much instead of looking at. The WHO the guy was for four years as a winning player at Wichita State and our guy who works hard off the court and a somebody that you would probably bet on to maximize whatever he would be. So I feel like guys like that I'm trying to retrain my brain and be like these are the guys I want to bet on late first early second. I made rather than the guys who you have questions about their work at but they're great athletes or questions about you know if they can do a jump shot. With him is just happened with so many now, we're not getting to see Jalen Brunson right now because of injury but Brunson obviously Malcolm Brogden. he's made a fortune already in the League Monte Morris. We mentioned a little bit earlier a guy that was you know really overlooked I. There was one dude you know I I remember I watched his youtube video or whatever, and I mentioned him and it felt Fred Van Vliet to me this year I think it was a god I haven't thought about it so long kept. so forgive me I think the kid plays at Charleston who is the guard that's at Charleston right now and I remember looking him up and I'm like man this guy kind of looks like grant roller. Talking about. Yeah. He's got a rattle Bam. Yeah, granted killers is. I mean you can check out by the way we're going to finally be updating the ringers twenty twenty NBA draft guide this week ahead of the lottery. So sold, they'll be new updated rankings and a new mock draft and Miller. I have ranked thirty seventh on my board and the others Vanfleet esque qualities to him. I mean I. I do think he's a worst defender then van Vliet wasn't college but like there's no denying his shot creation ability and yeah, there's those qualities and I do think he'll get drafted but just a matter where we'll be late first round pick will rise up well yet will there be workouts provide him an opportunity. But. Yeah, he's a he's a really really intriguing player for a lot of the same reasons you just mentioned good call there. All right. So the next series. Which is Boston Philadelphia and we wondered how competitive this has got to be able to be. We wondered if Joel Embiid was going to be the dominant force that he can be, which could clearly give Boston a problem given their. Lack of guide to really match up with him well, and make his life difficult Is. What I jotted down ause watching the game because clear I I'm kind of keeping up with social media's. It's all going on tatum continued to be awesome Brown continued to be awesome. They lost hayward two sprained ankle, which was tough but. And I know you're doing a video but the sixers, it's GonNa come out this week I just felt like as I'm watching that game and it's like the third quarter fourth quarter and you go to the time line and it's just this. Steady stream of people crapping on Brett Brown. And I don't know if it's just the popular thing to do I. Don't know if it's just the ongoing joke but I'm watching the game and I'm sitting there going. Okay. It's a four point gain right now, this is a four point gain like they're not. They're not favored today. They're not favored to win this series, and frankly they're being a lot more competitive than I expected them to be in this thing right now and I get it. The guy's got his fault but it just feels like he's book come to me. He's become the standard whipping boy guy and as I'm watching a game, that's a four point game and they're really in, they have a chance to win this game. I'm thinking I really like the coach is a huge problem here today like that's what's going on. It's not that. Shake. Milton's first playoff game like look at what and Josh Richardson's. Banging down shot after shot and it's I. Don't I, I get. Up and whatever but I just I'm like. I. Really like the. Guy On the other side line damn genius he's up five four. Sixers fans are understandably frustrated and with breath around it is a continuation of the same type of problems they've had for years and you mentioned the end of that game they're in it. Yes. There are in it, but they also have continuous possessions where Joel doesn't touch the ball they have possessions were other guys are taking just dumb shots is that partially on Brown? Yes it is. Because of the facts is inability to adjust run any nice crisp offense. Is also partially on Elton Brand for putting some of these pieces together, and it's partially on some of the players for failing to either develop or or actually just deliver the ball to Joel embiid in certain situations like this it's not just brown, but he is a component of it. No I'm just saying this hold on over second it named coach whoever you think the greatest coaches a lot of people think the guy on the other side lines greatest coach. Chuck. Whoever's in the NBA? Great poverty are. Have whoever you? Might be okay. Britt Brown's actually positive. It's got sets interesting if Gregg Popovich on the sideline for the sixers do you think they win that game? Do you think they win the series I I have no idea. Why I all. This is just plopping him on the team today. I have no idea. I will say this I'm glad you brought up because last night, and this is one of the key parts and maybe that will be out tomorrow is I ask Brett Brown yesterday after the game. I said, there are certain situations. Withdraw is on the post or he's setting a pick and roll enrolling and you guys have another player on the low block and the dunker spot. And is that something that you guys would consider changing because just to give one example, there is a situation last night we're Joel caught the ball on the right block and Tobias Harris was in the corner three and he shifted down to the dunker spot on the opposite side of the paint. And I've mentioned that the Brown and he said, no, there is no thought to changing that and going to four outspacing offense. We're just embiid Guy Rolling in into the lane. And it's all shooters all around the floor or it's just embiid posting up and shooters around the corner and he said because what we did with the Spurs he said it doesn't make me right but in our years with the spurs playing with Tim Duncan, that's what we did and he went on explain it can make things harder on the defense because it gives an outlet you know that's closer to the rim more offensive rebounding opportunities. You know this is. That this and that and explain himself but he did say straight up no, there are no plans to change from a three out offense to a four out offense and I was honestly shocked by that because I. Feel like when I think about Gregg Popovich when I think about Bill Belichick when I think about nick nurse whether the greatest coaches of all time like pop bella check or whether it's the greatest coaches today like nurse I think the the most important. Quality they have is adaptability. They don't they don't. They don't try to squeeze players into a system may fit the system to the players, and if I'm Brown, I'm looking at this roster and I'm thinking to myself like maybe it's not the best. They have Tobias Harris a forty percent catch and shoot shooter from three on the low block instead of behind the arc maybe better spacing would help be even more efficient on the post maybe having better spacing would. Make that pick and roll attack actually be potent because there are certain situations where they do have that spacing, and then there are certain ones where they don't in and I I feel like there's a sixers fans on twitter last night did respond to that when I think it was Kyle Neubeck did a story responding to those comments by Brown and they're like you kidding me this is part of the problem in and it is part of the show. Is Lack of ability to adapt as one of the reasons why he's on the hot seat I get it don't. Don't don't don't get this twisted where I am telling you that Brett Brown some great shore or. I'll him it's not all on him. You're saying you're saying. Him on the sideline and you're and you're not gonNA. Get a wildly different outcome to being down four with three minutes to go I'm sorry I don't give a shit who you put out there. You're they're not better than the Celtics. They're not. They're not better than them. It was proven all year long and the Celtics. Lost More Games like they are. They are better than what their record indicates because when they have been healthy and they've had their group together their point differential is fantastic and their point differential ended up being good for the season right? It is not. They have lost games. They have more losses than a team typically with their differential would have and I also think, yes, the sixers underachieved, but in the absence of Ben Simmons. I think that everybody should have thought going into this that. I. Thought like I don't know how competitive this thing is going to be unless embiid is a superstar Brett Brown deserves all the criticism and the world for not treating embiid is like his shack. Now he's gotTa just do it. Be Taking fifteen field goals. Four of them being threes is that's abhorrent. It's. It's it's outrageous. I mean a third of that. He takes fifteen shots and a third of them are threes like this is fucking stupid by I'm glad. So he deserves. Eat Dessert in some sense he deserves real. I agree he does deserve criticism I also think that Brett Brown is not the reason. The sixers are going to end up losing to the Celtics and I don't think necessarily because some of the stuff he does may have worked better than people want to give it credit for maybe they're not within four. If he does what everybody wants them to do I just think the guy maybe deserves a little bit more credit. It's not just some bumbling boob and at least when you ask them the questions, it's a well thought out. We might be. But it's not like he hasn't put thought into it and he doesn't know more basketball than the people that are killing him. Absolutely I mean really it was a question of respect trying to understand the mindset has so many teams around the league now they have. A bunch of shooters around the floor and it seems to be highly effective whether that's with big guys likening bead. Small guys like James hearted. The spacing aspect helps you get to the Rim and create easier spot up opportunities and I mean fundamentally I disagree with him with what he does but I can understand the mindset there when you have a guy like Joel embiid somebody who has previously compared to shack to Tim Duncan when embiid was a young player, he saw the talent in embiid. He saw what? He's become today, which is one of the League's most dominant post scores of the last ten fifteen years. He's awesome down there and it's not like he he's not producing in this offense he is and the sixers what the seven last year against the team of what did the championship it's all they haven't failed hair with Brown head coach I. Just do wonder if there's little things that they can. Do to give themselves are more of an edge, and by the way I'm glad you mentioned though because again sometimes there's only so much a coach or anybody can do to change a player sometimes it's on the player to taint change themselves I would love to see Joel embiid set a screen and roll hard to the rim. So often he sets a screen and he just kind of like. You know dilly dallies around in like slowly rolls or he sets a screen, and then he like halfheartedly pops and then he catches the ball and he does the pump fake that everybody knows his coming that nobody falls for because they're not afraid of him shooting at from thirty percent of three, and then he drives into four defenders in the paint and I, and I'm like embiid sometimes fields predictable. I need to see some evolution from him. In those two categories. We've seen a lot and other areas of his game to become the guy he is. He's like I said, incredible on the posts go around to take over the game. He's got. He's. Got My touch, the ball you're dead. Bully Ball and you I mean, you see Cri Stewart Loy. Even when you don't touch the ball though all hard to the rim, make the defense, rotate the help, defend her over and have an then how give the ball handler. Opportunity Make Decision I. Kick out for three to go to the dunker spot for layup or a law to embiid. You never see that from him in the picking on it's really really frustrating how many times good. He got an offensive rebounds too I. Mean He's bigger than everybody on that. Call me he he got some nice offensive boards. He. Got Some Nice ones. He had a really good one swim move around tatum and then just bumps Robert Williams out of the way with his booty. What I'm saying is he can absolutely dominate that game hit the numbers ended up being good. This guy could have thirty, five, twenty I'm serious like Shag off. Against that team, that team is little when they when they played their best players I wonder I again. I I wonder this has been a theme for him for the years. This conditioning he seemed tired at the end of the game he it's sort of like a in the NFL sometimes when a defense comes out just firing their defensive line is getting to the quarterback and you're like Oh my God this is going to be a long day but then the second half, they can't even move the offensive line and in some ways, it felt like that watching be worth the end of the game he's huffing and puffing he's tired. He's not moving as much on offense. He's not even involved the me- offense and I do wonder how much of that is Is he can't handle the load play nearly forty minutes protecting the rim, all the responsibility that he has on defense and you know be somebody who's carrying that offense. I WanNa see that from beat the series because he's got a show that for the sixers to even get back into this, they gotta get that from a bead for them to win the series and beans gotta average thirty five points, fifteen rebounds five assists because that means he is just kicking ass on offense it means he's rebounding at the level he needs to and it means he's getting enough opportunities to pass the ball and his teammates are actually hitting shots and twenty six points sixteen rebounds. He's got to do more than have the one assist to the five turnovers. He's got be better. Not. Is Not nearly as agreed just as what we saw late last night but the flagrant foul they called on Horford was just stupid Jalen Brown just flop around everywhere held this face afterwards I was like come on this canopy and the reason I'm saying the reason I'm mentioning that is because I don't want this to become a trend where these guys it. Were just every little thing is getting tax and flagrant and whatever else you're and clearly we saw it ruin a game late last night. One more thing on the Celtics have we do we by the time we're as we're recording this right now. Is there any update on the hayward thing and I'm interested in what you think about his possible absence because that is It's clearly you know a big deal if hayward's out because he's a big minute player them. He left the game on crutches yesterday according to reports. They said it's an ankle sprain I. we'll see what it actually today. Maybe by the time you hear this podcast will find out i. know the Celtics have their media availability at two PM Eastern and I was going to try to get in on that task Stevens. A question of baby has some update at two eastern but with hayward absence I mean he was GonNa Leave Orlando at some point anyway to be there for the birth of his child in sometime in September I do wonder if he ends up just leaving earlier. To go back to Boston and Rehab to be with family during his wife's pregnancy. We'll see about that. With, Boston his his secondary playmaking presence is really important his secondary shot. Chretien. Person Sexto tatum and Brown and. Part of what makes them so hard to defend when they can use lineups and have so many different Combinations that they use. To attack you and without Haywar. That's one less guy which means there's more responsibility on their stars but they can survive without hayward. They can beat the sixers without hayward. But going forward can they be Toronto without hayward can be Milwaukee without hayward you need you need every piece of help that you can get, and that's a big question for me moving forward. Hey Chris before we move on, let's hear from today's sponsor. Today's episode of the mismatch is brought to you by Buffalo Wild Wings. Playoff basketball is finally here catch all the postseason action with Buffalo Wild. 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Now, back to the mismatch, all right Chris, where were we and then we moved to the last series that we have seen a game from and that was last night It was one of those games that started out I. I like in it to win when I was a little kid and I had a Sega Genesis that I would start the game and the computer would run back the opening kickoff and I would run straight to the Sega Genesis and I would press the reset button and I go back. All right. We're not doing that it felt like Oh God the mavs needed run up and hit that reset button because they're down like Fifteen eighteen to at the beginning of the game and I'm like. Is this really and and Luca's got five turnovers and I'm like is this what this is going to be like because this is not this is not cool and then they caught absolute hellfire from three and are making they like seven or eight of Ted the rest of the quarter they flipped being down sixteen to being up by the end of the first quarter and I thought jeeze mad if if if the clippers are going to you know, let this happen and I'm not saying them shoot this number from three but they're gonNa let him fly up and down the court and this is going to be one of these. Games in the one thirties one forties. You don't WanNa play this game with the mavs 'cause they will chuck now and if you just add to the extreme randomness of the possible outcome. They also took beverly out for a long time and man Luca. Got Crack and once he got once he got go in and got that confidence going those last ten minutes after he turned it over four or five times he's got like fifteen point six rebounds four assists in like ten minutes I mean he really got going and it was a long. Time till doc brought beverly back into that game, which was extremely puzzling to me because he allowed this guy, get going and get that Mojo going and getting a lane and throw it back out to Trey Burke or hardaway or Porzingas, or whoever is not gonNA. Shots Seth Curry in the corner and next thing you know you gotta game on your hands. Great Game. then. They throw up porzingus and I texted you I was so mad. Just. Not that I have some grand rooting interest in this but this is this has got a chance to be a great basketball game and I felt like we're robbed up I didn't watch the game live as you know because you're recording the video during the start of that game but re watching it this morning it's it's amazing like you they go down eighteen to to to start, and then they have a forty eight to fourteen ron to take the lead and suddenly you're feeling like okay, Dallas can actually make this competitive series. They could steal some winds here and and who knows maybe getting upset with the way they're playing. And then that the KP stuff Athens and and now you get a win four of the next six games. I I don't think it's possible and and I it just really I mean like I said I didn't see this live but so I wasn't able to partake in the reaction with you and with everybody on twitter and all that. But. This is really deflating. Watch Loukas has a I understand the rules or the the fist pump on the first one, but I also understand that the refs just royally screwed up porzingas his blocked that Paul George Attempt Potemkin was rightfully pissed off that he got called for a foul and then on the second one would markeith Morris it's. I mean what? What are you? Okay. Here's the thing. Okay. Let me just too. There's your number one regarding what you were saying about the. Marcus Morris Not Marquee for. Them. It has it has it is a different situation, but it does have a little bit of the feeling of. The JR Smith. Not Knowing. You know what the situation was clockwise in that and I only saying this because that was a game one. You got this crazy effort out of Lebron who knows if they make the if they win the game but It it that to me I'll always believe that if they would have gotten that game that's a totally different series than what it ended up being. Because that's a huge game one win on the road. There's so much momentum there. You just I just believe it plays out differently if they were able to win that game and I thought it was that crucial and. Will never know we'll do the great. What if but I I? I do sense. Last night I. Feel that way about what took place last night. And let me just say this on the PORZINGAS deal number one. You're right. She did block that shot and I don't know what he said to the ref maybe if I knew what he said the ref it would be an absolute. No brainer but it was the fist in the air. That often gets called technical when. It's a natural reaction. That's right. But when you get to the playoffs, if you an official, you gotta be able to take more, I'm sorry the pressure is so way of up all these guys are feeling it. The intensity is so way up I I'm sorry but this can't be a no tolerance deal right? Like guys are going to get mad if they think they were that the call was wrong. Okay. So that's number one. So this is an accumulation ejection because the second one he got is for defending Luca in a situation where there's a little bit of a melee. The idea behind this is that you don't want to discourage guys going into a huddle and Steve. Javadi, who they went to in the in the booth to try to explain this of course, he always takes the rest side propaganda. So he goes in and at like like not to break it up but rather to defend his team and so the idea is unless you're trying to break it up or something and he's not trying to break it up. Then that's why. Our number. One. He didn't do shit number two like nothing happened nothing happened number two. These guys are sitting in like a frigging. Feeder Room on their benches situated. But what what are you worried about? They're gonNA JUMP OVER CHAIRS FOR The whole idea behind this is to not create a situation where you have a bench clearing brawl, right? You Ain't even a bench clearing brawl in frigging Orlando these guys are six rows deep. They're six feet away from each other like. Like. You've got to think about this in terms of this isn't a normal situation and when you've got this heightened intensity and nothing even happens there ain't even a push. There's not a slap, there's nothing and you do know. That if this guy gets a tech, he's getting thrown out of the game for you to take all that into consideration relates they'll throw him out of the game. That's that's horrible and and people were saying last night. They're dead ass right. Okay the dream of the world this happened okay I, get it right or somebody that's got a rap or you think could be up to something affairs. But if you think Lebron if you think that your honest if you think that harden or these are getting thrown out for this. You're crazy. There's no way they throw those guys out of a game and I get it. Porzingis doesn't have the swag. He doesn't have the status they do but it can't be that different. You know and throwing a guy out of the game you better have done something horrendous. For, you get chucked out of a game to me in a playoff game. I mean I, it was obviously just be. Garbage in a change, the game, my buddy nick ride on first things. First, this morning had a really interesting stat. He said the mavericks have played three, hundred, four quarters of basketball. This year they were held under fifteen points once last night when KRISTAPS got kicked out. Last night was the first time all season long three hundred and four quarters. The Baker held under fifteen points because it changed everything it it totally deflated that team and maybe you could argue they they get a that's their lack of experience. They could add the ability to bounce back. But yeah, that was also some trash last night. There's also a human element to it here with Barbara. Arbiter cans the whole game series because he's getting off in the game. Each he's ever a good game. You know that night he's also like the Gulf between him and whoever you want to say is the third best player on the mavs is great. There might be I get it by maybe one night Seth Curry has twenty two points or maybe it's Tim Hardaway or maybe it's Trey Burke or maybe it's whoever you want a name right but or Maxxie cleber like they've got but it's GonNa be you don't know which one is going to be able to knock down the shots that deluca creates for him. He is clearly the second guy on that team and frankly He's what Lucas got to roll with like if you put Luca with the rest of those guys, it is just as individual brilliance and his ability to create the shots for those guys. But porzingus can create his own shot and if they are going to spend all this attention on Luca. This is his real time to shine. Just I was so mad. Oh. So mad watching that game and you know the clippers. Dick around too much. They really do like they don't when they lock in there, very, very difficult to score against but they go through long stretches where they don't lock in and you can catch him sleeping and and it's just a matter of, do you bang down all the threes when they become disconnected from shooters or not? Because they will go through these lulls where? When they are. Their game. Their devastating. Absolutely devastating but. You, know there's been a Lotta. Hundred Thirties posted on them this year. You know 'cause they're not always on their game like you're playing the Oh four Pistons or whatever that. Every night you know it's just going to be held to try to score. They'll do you have do you have any faith in the Mavericks get back into the series now? No, you don't none to get back in. I think they could win a game or two out of the randomness of them taking a million threes. You know and Luca. was. Absolutely like we talked about Willoughby mortar immortal us more immortal than mortal. He had Ted ten turnovers, which is a lot but he's got long. In the game to he's also got the ball in his hands every possession. It's going to become harder on him as the series goes on because they're gonNA look at that. All those guys are GonNa look at that box score and be end. I do think that that was a tremendous wakeup call for the clippers that we can't defend like that because we're really playing with fire. If we defend like that 'cause, they clearly defend a lot better than they did. But. I mean. They hit a lot of threes. What was their final percentage I? Mean you said they had a fifteen point quarter whatever the hell it was. Mavericks were fifteen of forty three in the game for thirty, five percent from three in the clippers were thirty thirteen of thirty, eight, thirty, four percents forty, three threes. I mean. Meanwhile the out I'm saying is. One Night, they might hit twenty one of those. That's a win. You know what I mean if they hit twenty one of them. And the. Requires four of seven from three one for seven to. Assure I just think that after last night. Clippers screw around enough. That they might actually drop a game or two in this. Wouldn't shock me especially get an MVP candidate and on the other side and Luca and a really really good player in Porzingas who hopefully doesn't get thrown out again for some shenanigans. Some believable I didn't watch it live. So I feel like. My Feelings of it are a little different. I wasn't able to partake in in the moment, but they showed it was like. Oh L. God, they kept showing him in the tunnel and Bogan Boban was like the. Just, go back to the Tahoe go back to the locker room. It's all going to be okay. He walked out there is making sure that he didn't go go crazy over the whole thing, but I mean Murphy did. It did the other thing that makes me so mad is. I I gained a respect for. PORZINGAS he would. My opinion is and I looked they'll be blowback on this. My opinion is Marcus Morris would beat the shit out of him. But I don't care. He was there for he saw Luca in the mix. He saw this guy trying to intimidate trying to roughhouse I gotta be able to have my guys go and do that step up and say. You, putting us out man like I don't think I respect that he walked up in there and he was there for it because there is a lot of that. You know maybe I've got Morris wrong. But he they bark a lot and they're trying to intimidate you. They're trying to punk you out these. The Morris twins when a word is Kinda works. And missile, but PORZINGUS is right there for it. He's like, yeah, I'm in the mix and. Like I need that happening I can't allow I can't allow this team to feel like they got some kind of mental as. A little boy me and so for him to get penalized four that to me that everything I want out of my players is I don't want my superstar getting in the mix and porzingas got himself but still he's there and like you know you got the wrong you got the wrong team. If you think you're Pumpkin us out and instead it gets them thrown out of the damn. Game. I Hate Scott I it's. Came Fitz Gerald I think I think that's who it was. Just just. There's a line there's a line where it goes too far and you need to call those tax. You need to call those flagrancy meant mentioned the stupid Horford one earlier when Jaylen Brown sold the call and I still fell forward even after looking at the replay, there's a line. That was on cross. Those penalties we're talking about it was not. I am not holding you to these predictions, but we're going to knock these out because we are going to have four series start today we're not gonna be able to talk about them until Friday where we got more than four or as we did cover these on the lascaux on Friday. If you've listened each week, you know each episode you did hear us talk about these before the Games are actually played. So I am I'm only asking you about these game ones because is going to be fun. People are going to listen to this after the fact, it was very fun last week when we forgotten. Nailed. The Sacramento Situation. I'm out on the golf course out. Friday afternoon on my phone goes bananas. At with everybody telling me that body step it down Joe Dumars is take it. I was like, Oh my God I texted you and I'm like all the things I look. We had no idea that was gonNA happen that atmosphere mood if we're being fair but the way it all played out was hilarious it was it was really a matter of win that if for for drank tree for for January it was and for. That one came as little surprise to happen when it did. Okay. I'm just GONNA ask you one question about these. Okay. Okay. All right one question one question about all the games that we're GONNA see today. Do the bucks. Win By twenty. Plus. The line is like twelve and a half which is unnavigable. No they don't. It's a playoff game taking the under twenty. Is that right? My Buddy. He's like he's like look at these numbers are not great as a double digit favourite and the magic of covered all these essays Bro the second you bet on that that game's going to be a one, hundred, twenty, three to eighty. I say, yes, they do beat them by twenty. All right because Jaanus pissed from coming off the suspension. mean the proof thing and. Last year they got beat. A magic one game one. Ronaldo or whatever. So they want to. Cut Happened Yep Yep he pacers. Who averages more in the series TJ warden or Jimmy Butler I. That's a good question. Let. Let's say TJ Warren but by me wins the series Butler does more in the series but TJ warrant averages more points. I think I'm with you on that. Okay. All Right Trailblazers Lakers here's the question Kevin. The Vegas number that I'm looking at right now is Damian Lillard over under thirty four and a half points thirty four and a half community over there over there I'll take the over. Yeah. I'll take the over on that thirty four and a half thirty four and a half that's GonNa. He's he's always going to get buckets for you. He needs against buckets Gimme, Gimme over game on how many does he need to score for the trailblazers to beat the Lakers. I. Feel. The the real question for me is. Really answer that is water his teammates doing. What everybody else bring to the floor there he probably needs a score like forty five buddy I could it could. Could he score thirty five and his teammates or just raining threes off his passes in the pick and roll is Feasting. I mean as nurses picking the Lakers defense apart is scoring on the role as he is he passed away show what we need to me like little is always going to get buckets. It's just a matter of how many he gets to me. It's really but what is everybody else doing now here we need to find the real number because I said last week that Davis would average like sixty and twenty Oh God Davis over twenty nine and a half you gotta be kidding me. He might have that by halftime. He might have. Played Wendy and Gabriel. What are we talking about here? House Anthony Davis is number nine, twenty nine, and a half of surprise you mentioned when you gave real not that they're not that they're playing Mario his own regular minutes in their rotation. But. He was playing power forward for them because. It's like really. Is that what you're throwing Anthony Davis tonight when you Gabriel really. Okay Yeah. Give me. All right. This is this is what you want to read more about the portland trailblazers of the ringer dot com I wrote about them today and how they are a team that they're missing just a couple of pieces some really good wings very hard to find. So the problem for Portland they're not going to beat the Lakers because they don't have the guys to contain Lebron James but we're going to see in this series is that they have nearly everything you want except one of the hardest things to risk defined with a real high level wings who can hit spot up threes for you and defend at a high level and have versatility. They don't have that they're planning. Carmelo Anthony as nice as he's been on offense still is on a defender. But Kevin Carmelo Anthony is the fifteenth leading score in NBA history I. Hear it fifty, five thousand times every time he plays a game. Your pockets for you and he's trying harder on defense and he has in years, but he's still not a plus defender. I, mean you're not GonNa win the series with his own and mellow at the forest while you're probably still not even GonNa, win it with. Do you need better you need better at wing and Ford and I'm not sure where they're going to find it in the article I read about I mentioned the draft free agency options about for Portland feel so close and yet so far. That's my main takeaway watch on them. Last one thunder rockets. Okay. So, is this game. Who dictates how this game is played? Are we playing this game in the one S or are we playing this game in? You, know more towards one hundred. I feel like with this series. Hardin is GonNa be the guy who's going to have to dictate every single game in. HOUSTON. Would their small ball they don't have a choice but to dictate what's going to happen to your because if okay see is you know bring in that score down you know with their size what is Houston throat? Tyson? Chandler. Houston has no choice but to dictate terms here, they can't planning away. Okay. See can play smaller if they need to and it's GonNa be interesting to see what happens if atoms does somehow get played off the floor, can they go small? It's GonNa be fun I mean this is like drastically different styles here. Okay. She has to play this game. Half court you know and and because that's obviously that creates the advantage for them they punish Houston for the size and then. Pulls a maestro playing either way and they don't have the firepower? They don't have the firepower if they want if they weren't five down and getting the three point shooting contest, they don't have the firepower to play like that. So. As someone who is Who who likes thunders chances in this I've got to believe that they're able to. Grind him down big. Big Spot for Billy Donovan big spot for Billy Donovan. This team wasn't expected to be there in the first place. People have praised him a lot but this is now that this isn't a one off game. This is how can you punish them for being so unconventional? Or is it just impossible to punish them that you you have to play their way? I don't know this is easily the most fascinating of the series tonight. I'm so excited for this today I mean I remember glued to my TV watch on this I mean there's just so many ways this could go man I know so many especially with a westbrook man because you mentioned like heart heart and. They need to continue playing fast, but they do play slower with harder than they do with Westbrook and so I it's it's like the size aspect that I'm going to be fascinated by small ball experiment man we're about to see it unfold votes Kevin. We will reconvene on Friday after we have a bunch more games that we have of. God we're going to be I mean look we're Wa basketball until. Until we talk again and for the foreseeable future I loved it starting at lunch every day. There's there's a gay guy it's the best. It's pretty bad for the NBA, like people listening overseas especially in Europe or Africa. You. Guys know that you're getting some prime time. You know eight nine o'clock start games, which must be beautiful to watch some of these games. It's like shore bucks magic might stink for people on the West Coast starting at one thirty, eastern eastern ten, thirty Pacific. But if you're in Europe right now, you're excited today to watch on us. You're excited. OUGHT THAT Kevin, I will catch up you on Friday. Thanks as always to everybody listening to the mismatch. Thanks to Kaya fulfilling is our producer today as I guess, we're just GONNA I swear. We got dumped after one frigging week Kevin? One week after one day with Erica one day one day one day Isaac's out Eric because I came be out soon. Scant. Find a producer. Way We deserve to be loved. You. We'll be back on Friday. Look look for it on your feet on Friday morning.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 346  QFTA

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 346 QFTA

"Yes welcome in to questions from the audience on the current show inside. Us podcast network from the home loan expert Dot Com Studios Right Kelly. The home loan expert Dot Com Marquette Evergreen wealth strategies designed air heating and cooling online at Design Air Service Dot Com and James Carlton Carlton State Farm Insurance Agency. Three one four nine six one forty eight hundred are all the sponsors of the Tim. Mckernan show and questions from the audience as we are in this time period where we cannot interview people face to face. We are in questions from the audience mode because I am in my basement. And that is where the home loan expert Dot Com Studios Are Ryan Kelly. The home loan expert dot com is someone I just worked with REFINANCE WITH RYAN. A couple of weeks ago saved me more than twenty percent on my payment just like that. It was so easy. I'm sure some people like I'm interested in doing I just don't have the time and his staff took care of everything. 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I said you know what I enjoy the deep dive I will go into a deep dive If there is a topic people want me to go into so for this version of Questions from the audience will answer questions but I will deep dive topics for me and Buck. Swope we were talking about We're talking about the two thousand eleven cardinals. That's the latest edition of Soaks picks. So some people suggested some things such as a Quin Snyder. Deep dive people seem to be a namrd with Quin Snyder and Quin Snyder. Deep dive does that intrigue you. I lived at whatever to me. Oh Wow doesn't sound like that. Intrigues you And Inside T. L. DOT com up in early years deep dive interesting. Doesn't sound like though you really mean it. Well I mean we've talked about it a lot on here too. I think so yeah I'm scrolling down to find the thread Man It's taking a while And then I felt like there was another deep dive then. There were some sports questions. Kind of like topical sports questions and and and and it's kind of popped up each the last couple of weeks and I get them. It's not like I'm like oh I ask about knowing Aaron how now I get it but for whatever reason like the idea of talking about that just have like the opposite. Whatever the opposite reaction of who I really WanNa talk about. It is is what I have so it's not like I'm like. Oh that's a shitty question. I'm just like indifferent it's I I'm behind indifferent because I'm like I really. It puts me in a bad place for whatever reason. I don't know why here I finally found the threat To to think about like breaking down sporting events or sports or like even like things like that trades like. It's like when somebody asked about Dylan. Carlson I'm like that's totally fair. Question especially with how baseball could wind up going down in twenty twenty but God it just seems so foreign at the moment and so far away at the moment that I I don't know this like have this this this aversion to even like thinking about it i. I kind of like trying to psychoanalyze myself. I don't know why I do. But that's where I am so many unknown variables at the moment like right. It's hard to really get into it. I mean a huge waste of your time and I know a couple of weeks ago. Maybe two or three wasn't last week. I came on questions from the audience. Just Bantus Fuck because we had just done what I thought was one of the worst morning after in the show's history thousands of shows over the years and I thought it was one of the worst and now honestly I'm just kind of resigned to this is what it is at this moment and even though we are supposed to be back in studio on May Eighteenth I I. I don't know if it's GonNa Change. I guess some of the the interruption stuff might be reduced because we'll be able to see each other and so that way the the interruption stuff might change and the delayed silences but as far as topics go. I am so consciously trying to avoid talking about the pandemic that that becomes like the biggest effort of each show and like if I see kind of like oh I see we do it. It's Kinda got into an area where it might come up I. I'm going to try and read one of your dear detours immediately to try to try to like blow it up on that road before we get there. Because I know it's going to happen. You know you have been talking about for the year and a half. You've been part of the show your Your your feelings on the fan page and I for the last. I don't know how long I'm just like I don't. It's it's like nothing but pandemic talk and it's in the people who are posting. You already know what they're gonNA say before they post. Which is what I say often when it comes to political talk but now that's where we are on an actual medical issue and it's just it's so gone that I don't I mean it it. It depends on who you're talking to some people talk about it like it's like it's almost in the past and then some people talk about it like Holy Shit. This might be going on like until twenty twenty one twenty two you know and so I I just I and and the reality is I think no one really knows. I think. I don't know nobody does that too is about to say but if there's one. I know I don't and I'm virtually certain although I do know there are doctors on there and they do post but they don't tell the people that their doctors and then they get shit on like the most phasing big and I want to jump in and I go. Hey just so you know. This is a doctor but like if they don't want to identify themselves or doctors they don't involve themselves as healthcare admins place to do it. Obviously they would if they wanted to. So I'll stay out of it. I read I'm just like Oh my God but that's how I am with the show. The text in box which I realize the audience can't see the audience. Most of the audience can see the fan page if you're on facebook And you know the text inbox anytime. The topic comes up. And what do you see gangster? Pete I've been As usual babbling when we when it starts to come up what D- what give the audience. What you see in the texting because maybe your perception of the text inbox when we're talking about the few times recently. It's come up. I screw past most of the comments. You usually see stuff extremes on both sides anytime that it comes up like their political views are and they're upset at somebody for thinking one way and instead of somebody else we're thinking another way and the and then there's usually at least one or two saying I can tell. Tim is on instagram right now. Because I'm gone I'm gone and I'm sitting there. This is just so you know but whereas in March I wanted to talk about it and enjoyed talking about it enjoyed being probably not the right word but I felt like it was healthy. It intrigued me. I think people were engaged Now it's it's just it's just it's I don't know man I don't know I don't know I'm I am at a loss for it and so you don't have sports and you aren't able to talk about the biggest thing and so each day. I'm dislike you. I don't know I don't know I duNno I you know. I know I know when it's said and done we'll be fine but it is It's it's it's certainly for the first time in a very long time. I'm talking about well more than a decade plus Where I'm like seven o'clock here. It's actually time to go to work because this is going to be. You know it's it's there. There's working in making sure that you know we do our thing and then there's also working making sure that it does not get into an area of Bat Shit are- that you know is I don't know I don't know irreparable for lack of better term and I don't know it's it's So I really do. It's an I did see one today where somebody said I can. I can hear Tim. Banging his head against the wall as this discussions going on can't wait for Q. Fda because the audience knows that that is where you you know. I will be speaking. You know uninterrupted in perhaps having an opportunity to go into some things that I may WanNa talk about but honestly when it comes to this I remember you and I talked and it had to be March because I can picture being in my my office in Jupiter and talking about how you at. That point were exhausted by the politics of the corona virus discussion and that was probably around like March twentieth. And here we are on May fifth and you know what like you said you got different? People argue in different sets of facts based on. And that's why there's a love Love I. I don't know if there's anything I enjoy discussing more. I guess like non like sexual than Than Plot political philosophy political history political philosophy but when we're debating what is true and not and you know like you hear you don't you don't know what to believe but it's like yeah but if you talk with doctors you know they. They don't. They're not you know they're uncertain of which direction it's going to go. But as far as what is actually going on? I don't know it's it's a it I don't know I don't know I I'm I'm I'm exasperated when The reaction of anti thoughts swapped at a hell of a job hosting the two thousand eleven cardinal thing we wound up having like an hour and twenty minute conversation about ten minutes of which we're about. Joshua and how that even happened. How how I found out about him and how he came into. Tma a lower That it's like okay if I can go into a topic in deep dive on it that allows us to have a good Q- FTA session without having to dance around the pandemic talk. And I don't think there's pandemic exhaustion per se when it comes to the topic. What I'm exhausted by is like it's like like people are on. I almost feel like it's like an a mission to do. The I told you so thing and again when it's being talked about in past tense as if it's like over eight just I I'm I'm blown away and I don't know how to either I really is is a is a host. I don't know how to handle it. I really don't I honestly don't know how to handle it. I'M GONNA loss which is why which I think is why it's not that. I'm because entertaining the hell out of me. You know where he is but But as far as the host like feeling it's my responsibility. I'm it up. I'm I'm really at a loss and And so therefore it's You know bits sister. It's a IT'S A it's A. It's a task of some kind to try to make sure that we don't do damage. I guess is what I would say by saying things. That aren't necessarily true which I don't think anybody would do intentionally on our show. Never do I think that they take your pick of whoever you WANNA list on the show. I don't think anybody would do that. I do I think there are people in media who do that hundred percent I think. Do I know what I guess? I don't know it but I think it yes But do I think anybody on our show would do that? No so But I could see someone saying something that they think true and it wound up not being accurate and I include myself in that too so It's it's you know when you talk about People's health and you're talking about people's jobs and the stress that people are under right now it It just makes it a certainly a unique experience. But you also want to be responsible with it so with that all said We have a number of Questions this This week The deep dive recommendations now that I have them up deep dive on Quin Snyder See this is a question and it ties into what we were just talking about. Listening to swaps picks about the two thousand eleven world series. There was very little producer. Talk on at the time. What do you think has changed? Since then I know the producers now are different. Are they given more freedom than producers back? Then are they just more talkative? Just curious of your opinion And I know it's a question coming from a sincere place when I first started reading like. Oh this is the way to shit on either iggy or the Plow Hawk for talking too much. But I don't think that's what it was. I guess what I would tell you is I think producer Joe was just as big a part of the show or to not get into some kind of debate on it. Close to as big a part of the show as the pips are now And some people might go no way then I know plenty of people inkster about your eight years ago was last time. Joe Is on the show and they might go no way revisionist history. But I'm telling you is the person who hosted it in owned instill does own the content of the show that you know. We viewed it as the four of us and actually we had Kevin the runs As part of I bond the International Brotherhood of nitwits so When I saw that question I was Kinda surprised by it. But I guess it's what Buck swope put in the episode and In there isn't much producer. Joe In there I think right now if you're looking at TMA considering this time which is you know is unique is it is ever been in our lives. Much less for a radio show You're having way more involvement with the producers than than even five months ago but But certainly at this particular moment gangster Pete. You've been listening for a while. What is your opinion and way before you start working. Yeah I haven't listened to the buck swope thing yet but I would. I would assume that's just the attic. 'cause I remember listening I remember Jove's on the air all the time and then I know I hosted a show going into us to show and then I know. Now it's just it's more conducive to everyone talking when no one is in the studio because then there's an open seat for all three of us right so I saw standpoint. You know th the question are they given more freedom? I mean there's just never been any. Hey you now have more freedom. There's it's never been. That was never been that way. Even back in two thousand four when we started much less now It's just not like scripted. That way you know. I don't even know. I'm sure it's I remember walking in the morning after Joe Block. Are Jack Buck. Excuse me had passed away. So you're talking about June of two thousand and two handful days before Darryl kile would pass away and I just started just started radio. He came over since March. Two thousand but I just started radio and I was working with rich school than Jay Randolph. Junior and I remember walking in and I guess is a way to reduce workload so to speak we would rotate who runs point Which is kind of funny to think of now. But that's how we did it. You know for the handful of months I worked with those guys and then I went on to work with Frank Kusamao no for a year and a half before the morning grind slash morning after started and I remember that morning rich walked in and said junior. It's what he always calls me junior. You're sitting over there today. I'm going to run this show today and I'm good to me. I'm twenty four years old twenty five years old and I'm like that I mean I get it you know. This is a unique unique show. The reason I cite that as an example is that is one of the only times I can recall in nearly two decades of radio where there was like some kind of. Who's GonNa talk and WHO'S NOT GONNA talk scenario In other words the Plow Hawk iggy have not been given more freedom recently or Joe and Kevin had less freedom in two thousand eleven. It's just not the way that it is a fair question and it probably sounds like that based on listening to soaks picks but I assure you joe was very active Part of the program Let's see deep dive into any of the Times. The show moved stations. That would get into some good inside baseball Let's see oh seven. We moved to thirteen. Eighty ten moved back to caffeine us. Thirteen moved to nine twenty sixteen moved back to CAF s which of those would be the most titillating b. o seven to thirteen eighty or Thirteen to nine twenty because when we left from Thirteen back to five ninety. That couldn't have been a more friendly parting The GM actually came in and embraced me on the final day and said by the way. Today's your day. I submitted my resignation. Why Holy Shit and the the Gentleman I don't think he owned the company Simmons Media But he was a high up there The corporate level. So National League Daryl. O'neill I think it was his name. Think are now maybe that's not. He was maybe he was the initial. Gm of the station back in two thousand four. That's not the name camera with the guy's name was It wasn't Daryl O'Neill And I'm sure a handful of people who know the named earlier laughing that I said it was the I can't remember the names. Maybe it was craig something or another but he was quoted in the paper talking about how much they respect that our show and it was a shame that we were leaving but they understood. I mean it couldn't have been more professional And when we left nine Twenty Five Ninety Two Thousand Sixteen. There was nothing that the owner of nine twenty could have done. It was a compensation package. There's nothing you can do But he's been quoted in the post since talking about how we built something there and he wanted to keep the momentum going so it would certainly be either. Oh seven to thirteen eighty or thirteen to nine twenty the those those would be. I think people but I really do some sometimes you know. He talks about writing a book. I actually think I I don't know if I necessarily write a book. I think I just need to write this stuff and like hand it to somebody so you know whenever I'm gone like it'll be like it'll be there and people go holy Shit. This stuff actually happened Because I think if I started talking about people be like. Oh he's making stuff up and it's real I mean it's it's real it's just you wouldn't you wouldn't believe it Let's see deep dive on the inside. Sto Message Board Cesspool. Repeat I was a part of that. I learned a valuable lesson. I was right in those articles For the early inside down in the muck with some of those commenters. I wouldn't article the article and there's just never. It's never ending battle that you couldn't actually win. It's like getting in a fight on twitter. My old man read the articles. He's like I enjoyed the article. You can't get in the muck with those guys underneath there. I got this dead then like a month later. I'm just exhausted. Like non. Stop Right now. I've just not giving a shit about any of that stuff ever again. Yeah so maybe. That's that's giving you good perspective here now on And the way that you handle other stuff so it definitely changed my whole perspective. Yeah I mean it's it's one of the and I. I don't know how many times I've set both on. Tma and here. It's like yeah. Maybe I'll start tweeting but I I just don't have any appetite. Ford I don't have any appetite Ford and you can make the best point in the world and that no one cares. They're going to come back at you and no one is actually reading it for the most part. It's I think I would. If you knew that you were interacting with real human beings. I of course the real human beings not of course but but I'm talking about people identify themselves because then the dialogue is different. But that's not the way that it works. I mean people have their burners or people only have one account and of course. It's like a dog Avatar Flag Avatar. You know you know so many and it's like no point it's like what. Ah for real. I don't know I'll ask this. I have a question for the audience now from the is. What's the upside? You know like this this for me at this point in my life. What's the upside? Because if you're twenty one twenty two and you're getting out of school and you want to build up you know Name or something like that. Then I get it but You know it's like I'm like aspiring to be some National I. It's not where I am and I'm not looking to like become a take Smith you know. It just doesn't matter and it all leads to is you know just negative I mean. That's that's how I see. I remember when we talked about that. Show Joe Bach In Two thousand twelve and we had Bob Costas on one of the guests asked him about twitter and he said Real concisely goes what would I get out of doing? And it's like good question now. He's Bob Costas. So we're talking about apples and oranges here. But I'm just like I just it's not like I'm like holding back a take. I'm just like there's no I'm not you know I I don't even I don't know I I want to be able to interact. I don't I don't know like like a number of my friends. Have this I get the sense. You guys have this. Some of your friends like twenty guys are like on a group taxes that what you have We have We use what's APP? We got like that's right. That's four different chats so that so maybe that's the way to interact with people you know but even you were saying. Maybe you're saying this off the air so. I apologize if I'm if I'm reading this out out here but you have one friend who's clearly like kind of you know part state of mind so yeah everybody knows who you're talking about. That's fine. He knows how everybody else feels too. So does he have any self-awareness auditors. He He does he just believes it. He percent believes in so. Yeah so yeah I mean I guess if I I don't think I of the people I would like if I were to do this with because I would love to be able to communicate and give thoughts especially in an number of friends who've done really well for themselves super intelligent and I'd love to have perspective like thought and not be like. Oh Shit I might lose my house because I gave this thought right. You know what I mean. I love it because you can say whatever you want and they and it's just great. I might be the way to do it. I don't know because I I do. In that sense. I feel like kind of muzzled which which has to sound weird people like well. You have a show you have a podcast you know you have this fan page thing you have inside. Us Yell it's like. Yeah but you know it's a it's a time in which you really can't say anything and here. I am on on this saying I don't know what the hell to do on the show at this particular moment. You know we just bullshit which is fine but often times I do like to talk about what's on my mind but at this particular moment it's just it's it's nuts and I have to tell you you know I read I really enjoy it New York Times Wall Street Journal though. That's kind of my regular and then even though I subscribe to it. I don't always make the way my way to Washington Post so instead of trying to get and then I'll go look at CNN. And I'll see how how they're portraying the day's news and then I'll go to Fox News and it's like they're two different worlds coming. It's an amazing thing like if the news wasn't real good for the president with regard to the pandemic what's the headline on Fox News. It isn't that it's about Tara. Read Joe Biden. And if it wasn't a real good day for Joe Biden with the sexual harassment allegations from Tara Reid. What's it looking like on on CNN? It's all pandemic all the time? And how president trump lost his mind at the press conference or whatever it is and it's just like you and so I look at that and I wonder again we're just assigning arbitrary percentages to things but of the people who get their news from Fox News and then of the people who get their news from CNN and they don't read a New York Times or Wall Street Journal and by the way I'm not faulting people for any of this. I'm just saying I think I think I think I think I think the majority of people get their news from cable news or their sights right now. I think the agree with that. Peter my off. Yeah I think a lot of people get Cable News and a lot of people the curate like twitter headlines on twitter and facebook was about tonight you need to include that in there so there bubbles. How many check. The other bubble like what percentage is we could say any percentage and throw it out. I would say five percent might be being liberal with that. Sounds about right okay? That like. It's like a conscious effort. Because if you're in the bubble then seeing what the quote unquote other side is saying. It's it's it's an action that will piss you off. It's like I say about just read a great story and then the post-dispatch see there's a bunch of comments under the article and immediately it takes me to a dark place mentally and emotionally. So why do that to yourself? It's like reading mentions on twitter. You know so so if I'm fine said that this is the story and then I go to this site. And they're not even talking about it. It pisses you off or if they are talking about it they're portraying it in a different way and so since I since we're operating off of our arbitrary percentage of five percent of people check both which might be high. The net means ninety five percent of those who get their news from Fox. News or CNN are never seeing the other side. And therefore when the to interact. They're talking past each other and they also think that the other one is lying or refusing to acknowledge the truth. I really say it's so often on this thing that I think that's the core issue but now you know it's one thing it's like oh. I think Donald Trump's and ask well you can think he's an ass but look at the economy and it's like okay. We're talking about that but now we're talking about stuff like has impacted. Everyone like that stuff was kind of like okay. If you're caught up in it and you recognize those people kind of when you when you encounter them you know whether it be and always kind of like a whole shit you know. It's one of those moments you know. It doesn't matter if it's left right. It's like Oh shit I gotta I gotTa my PS and QS. Because I I'm I got a live one here. You know That that I wanNA talk about things but I I don't I don't feel comfortable really getting into them Because it leads to just this anger and hate and anger and hate that. I don't think I can recall seeing in years with regard to like people create and burner email accounts and sending me shit. It's just in another world. I'm getting a lot of DM's on facebook to a lot like way more than normal Method kind now. It's it's just it's just I don't know man I'm So real time like what Pete. Let's do the Q FTA's and let's you know do deep dives and I'll go and all kinds of shifts. I didn't enjoy the one I did with swope so Have this one Pandemic related. But it's not really pandemic related. I think you'll agree when you hear it. Hello with the popularity of grocery delivery and curbside takeout during the pandemic. Do you think that a the popularity of these services will continue even after things quote? Go back to normal and quote and if so be do you foresee grocery stores altering their model a bit to compete with Insta- cart. It seems that if they had locations that were warehouse only in catered solely online delivery. It would allow them to bring that business in-house and cut out the inefficiencies that instant cart and similar companies deal with when I say inefficiencies. I mean someone has to physically do the shopping in the store imagine an Amazon style warehouse where machines procure orders and they deliver themselves. I love you do you love me. Thanks meet whole two thousand one wonderful email so it sounds like it's pandemic but it's actually not but when I went to read the email and I saw pandemic Oh shit So I like this. I thought this was Well asked so start with is the popularity. These surveys services will continue after these things. Go back to normal do you do. I think that Pete what do you think I mean? I think if they can do it efficiently enough where they still make money. It adds value. And they'll still do it but I think it's probably cheaper to have people visit your visit the grocery store or restaurant so I think they're they're more likely to make Have Higher Spread in the prophets if they continue with the old model but yeah I think if there's a way for them to do it efficiently and make money on it. Yeah sure so. This is good practice to so yeah. I agree with that. I mean I think a lot of We will look back whenever ten. Twenty thirty years and go look at all of the things that became normal that were born out of necessity is the as the phrase goes that. I put all the time. The mother of invention is necessity or something along those lines And so I will skip ahead to be. Which do I foresee grocery stores altering their model a bit to compete within the card? It seems that if they had locations that were warehouse only and catered solely online delivery. It would allow them to bring that business in-house and cut out the inefficiencies that instant cart and similar companies deal with and I actually would say yes. I think that. That's I think that this could wind up happening. Cause you think of how big these pitch picture whichever grocery store. You're picturing and how big these things are at how much that must cost. Pus Plus to employ. I really could see it happening. You know people have gotten. Are you shopping for groceries right now? Or are you using? Take your pick of what I shop a mask on going there all right. I haven't been in a grocery store in since since March So we are using one of the services and so if people you know initially people may be uncomfortable with it but because of necessity they get comfortable with it then perhaps you can have like an Amazon type arrangement. I could see it happening because because again you might not necessarily increase the top line. But you're going to reduce your expenses and so that's where your margin can increase. And so I do wonder about it now. Somebody in the industry listen to go. No here's why it wouldn't work that way but I don't know I mean you know in New York City. For example. This is the way most say most people. It's not fair. I know a number of my friends in New York City. Would jokingly say I never leave my apartment if I don't WANNA go out. I mean they deliver food here. They run it up the elevator and it's sitting there They deliver groceries here. And so what is becoming common for? Some people in our area has been around for you. Know How long at least a decade in in Manhattan. But that's a different situation again. You could kind of make the case it's necessities is actually necessity no but the the convenience outweighs the going to the you know. What's the name of that thing that they have everywhere there? Dwayne Reed that. What those things are you talking about like those around every corner. I was GONNA say Bodega. You certainly have those but But but that that people now out of necessity in the Midwest are Are Getting are getting comfortable with it. the hell joining where you think. Twain read. Oh Dwayne dwayne Reed became part of Walker so there you go So I don't know I mean I'm certainly fine with it. I don't enjoy going to the grocery store but maybe some people like no I to be able to look at certain items and pick them out and not be at the mercy of somebody picking out the wrong vegetable or fruit or meat or whatever. I don't know but I I think it's a fair question and I could absolutely let me put it this way. It may not replace it but the number of people who will do it will increase. I think it's really interesting whether the grocery stores want that or not because I know that they spent a ton of money like studying people's movement to the stores like they put things in certain places. They don't have the windows and the clocks. I see no they want you to go in and out as many aisles as possible see Seymour things and interest in encouraging right so certain places. Yeah you're right that's interesting so I think so. You can make a case in other words that the top line could decrease as well because people aren't going to purchase in other words if I go into a grocery store right now and it's let's let's say right. Now is December twenty nineteen as opposed to May of twenty twenty and. I'm just going there in particular one of the things that would benefit me is. I'm not hungry but let's say that I'm somewhat hungry and I go into the grocery store and the next thing I know. I've spent an absurd amount of money. Just because I saw things and I decided to buy them that spend is going to be substantially more than if me and my wife. We're going okay. We gotta do another order. What do we need? And you know. And I'll say no I just need you know this and that. And that's it. And she's like that's all you need. And it's like two things because I'm eating metabolic meals online at my metabolic meals dot com. That obviously the Spencer incredibly greater so. I think you're right I think it's a good observations. I'm sure that and I'm sure there are other reasons for people who are in that industry here in say well. Here's why wouldn't happen next question? I asked the fan page this question and I'm curious of your response so after being home for a month I realized something I have zero hobbies. Sure I did some stuff around the house and played video games and such but nothing I would call a hobby questioned. Do you have any hobbies? That are not radio slash podcast slash multimedia related. Thanks that's from Sean Moynahan. If Golf were not allowed at this moment I think I would be in a worse state of mind than I am but over the last couple of years. Golf has become such a big part of my downtime. That that it's it. It truly is an escape that that doesn't make me feel like. Oh something because when you're out on the golf course and this can be in the middle of a stressful time during normalcy. It has a way of taking your mind off it And so that is huge for me. I mean that's just huge for me and I'm personally somebody who doesn't need to be playing a round of golf to have my mind taken off. I can go up even if like my wife's like listen. I really need you around the house today. You know And I'm like all right. That's fine how about I go up in. You know pitcher pot or whatever for thirty minutes and put an air pods. I'm just the happiest fucking person in the world. I mean I just just. It's the past So that helps. I thought I was going to get back getting more back into poker and I think the reason I haven't is in part of what I just said on the previous answer with regard to golf except golf whereas it takes four four and a half hours With poker if you're running good in your in a deep tournament it's GonNa Take Shit eight hours So maybe not eight. Six to eight though Inside US don't have that time and I don't really have that commitment. I found when I started playing in early April that I'm like oh the people like so many people are playing it now that it's not as the games weren't as hard as they had become because only committed players were still playing supposed to the poker stars. Boom full tilt boom when you know you had plenty of fish in the pond So it was profitable and I still have that money in my body count but I just haven't. I don't know when the last time I really sat down to like really like play tournament as opposed to like. Okay fuck it. There's there's there's GonNa be a hundred thousand dollars in prize money. It's Friday night. Even though I know I won't be able to stay up past ten o'clock I'll get in the seven o'clock tournament and just play like a maniac and if I build up a stack great if not gives a shit so golf absolutely Usually had been working out. Which wasn't really about you. Know what the Hell am I gonNa do with with being a married father? I'm not looking to oppress anybody But I just would feel better after work out and now with having a a obviously know gyms but you can still work out at home or do yogurt. You know whatever. They'll run But I'm just in this mindset with okay. I don't WanNa do anything. The thing really enjoying where I could hurt myself and then not be able to play golf because that's my thing right now. I'm not gonNA mess with it. I Have A. I have a torn shoulder labor. I'm trying to get to the end of the year to have surgery or the end of the GOLF SEASON. I guess to have surgery like in September or something and then you know just eat shit for the next few months and then hopefully be able to play in twenty Twenty one assuming we can who knows so. I'm not messing with like doing homework outs pushups because that could fuck up my shoulder. So it's just you know it is what it is. I feel it when I sleep. I sometimes feel when I play golf but for the most part I just do my shoulder rehab stuff with bands and that's what I do. So it's it's mainly built around golf but I love it and And my son loves going out on the course with me. My wife actually I got drunk for the first time in. I don't know how long it might be having to go back to twenty eighteen which is really weird but There was like a golf tournament and Annemarie. I'll go up there and we'll just drink but I really don't WanNa hit a shot. I have no clubs. I don't care and I'm like I get it. I get it so on the first hole. We have like a thirty foot birdie. Putt the three of us have missed it on our team and I said Hey could you just roll up there. I mean who knows you know? She's like I really don't want it. She's buried and she married at gangster. Pete and I mean this thing off. The Flat Blade was tracking from twenty feet out and me and my buddy the wonderful mattie Mo we're looking at my God if things go in and it I mean we're we're one because every berries the pot and next thing I know she's like and she has a nice golf swing. She's an athlete and she's like well. Maybe I should get going. I'm like fine do it. I'm all for it. Some guys are like yeah. I want my wife to kind of like it but not really really like can cost problem. I would love it. I'd love it if me and my wife and my son went out there and just fucked off. It's just a you know it's it's an escape so anyway the long answer. That could have just been simply one word but that that is. That's that's really what I'm building everything around and if I do get shoulder surgery this year I imagine I will go back to lifting weights but I will never again. I mean it's a weird thing it's like forty three years old and I know I will never again lift as much as I was lifting eight months ago. I guess it would be at this point Not because I wouldn't be able to per se but I will never risk injury again. It's just there's no point there's zero upside and as I may have said before any to stop saying that because the juice isn't worth squeeze the juice is not worth the squeeze in my trainer and I'll never give up but My my now my trainer the Rehab How physical therapist when he was when I came in he. So what are you got I got I got to show you? What were you doing? I says lifting weights and he goes why am I trying to be mean he goes? But why are you doing that and I go well? That's what I always. Yeah but I mean you're you're forty two now I mean what are you doing and I go. What do you mean he goes? Well I mean what are you training for I? Just that's what. I've always think because he can't do that anymore. I mean you really get hurt and it's it was this moment of like Holy Shit like all right here. We are here. Is this thing you'd always heard about you know and hadn't really applied to me and now it's like okay shit to here. We go here to here here. Here's the start of you know if I make it the numerous things over the next x amount of years that you used to be able to do that. You will no longer be able to do. It's like I really want to try and break seventy on a golf course while I can because I know that I know that that's not going to be in play. Shit I if might not even be in play right now but at least I think it's in play and I really want to try to do it because I know you know like I'm not going to be able to swing. I can right now. And how many and who knows it could happen today. I go out and I hurt my back and you're done you know so I don I just Yeah I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA fuck around with with the with lifting weights again like. I did which I might. Maybe I should have been but I mean I was talking to Tj Mo. And I go. So what do you do? You saw a dead lifting mess with dead lifting get hurt and they go really the workout plan. I'm on is one day dead lifting. Oh I mean you can do it. But it's You can hurt your back. You can hurt legs you know. I'm okay I mean. I realize you played college football at a High Level. But look at me. It's like what the fuck am I doing? You know I'm here so anyway. The answers golf. Pete go ahead what? What are your hobbies golf? I know one yeah. Golf is keeping me sane pretty much and then where are you playing? Planning Normany of the Saturday. I've played with my dad out the legends few times Doug was talking about Paradise. Valley Valley played out there. Couple of times you can get an easy time tracks but I mean I just like to get out there and forget about everything for a while and then zoom poker games with my boys on the weekends. That's really fun. So it's like normal interaction. Yeah that's good. That's good I mean I yeah I. That's that's healthy. He's talked about those Before I don't know I mean but again you're in a different spot. We're obviously different spots. I have a wife and a child and he is now in the spot where this you know. I think I've talked about it again as I said I need to stop saying. I think I've said this because who fucking cares. Go into something different anyway. He is now sleeping in our bed. Last night was the first time where he just abandoned ship on his bed and just started the night with us. So we're at that point once again anytime. I talk about parenting. I don't want any email on parenting tips ever. I will never send one and I don't really want to receive them. If I'm interested in your parenting tip I will say hey. You know I'd be curious. I can't imagine that times going to come because I feel like the people who usually want send those are not the People. I'd WANNA hang out with so I'm kind of operating. I'm sure you probably want to hang out with me so you're probably not listening to this as it is although you might be a hate listener So I I. It's so he is with us now. At this Point Pete. Twenty four hours a day twenty four hours a day. I am now the guy that's auto-owners doesn't eat. It is indeed. I guess maybe not with. He's with her twenty four hours a day with me. I've got my three hours of. Tma My our two of Ta and and working on a variety of things. Where I'm on the phone or whatever But I'm now the guy who you know like yesterday. I had to get out of the House to go get on the phone because otherwise he'd be running around so I have I have one child and we're not and we don't have to. I mean these two so we're not home schooling like I mean you know. My neighbor has five children. My brother Danny has three children. I don't know how people are doing. I really don't I said this when we were three months into Jameson life. Just the appreciation. I'm sure somebody like fucking liberal. But the towel I felt it all. I feel like it's like just kind of acknowledging that the world is the same for everyone like I'm like this is this is first off. It's absolutely not fun. I will not say otherwise. I don't care I will go with that forever. The first X AMOUNT OF MONTHS. I say it to guys privately. And you're telling me but I don't feel like I say the first six months or so or fucking awful it is and this is coming from the Guy. I can't even imagine from the woman who actually has to to to a hell of a lot more so with that said Then it becomes just the greatest thing in the world but the the the element of having one and I was going you know. Enemy doesn't work and I do some nitwit radio show and podcast and we're already we already have our hands full and I'm thinking to myself. What if you are a thirty year old mother of three? Who has to work two jobs? And you're a single mother and you have to somehow do that to keep your family going and also try to parent and those kids have to go to school and you try to and I'm going how in the hell the people do it. Here I am with a with a with a three month old infant. Who can't really do anything. And I'm going this motherfucker. I mean I'm just going. I just have empathy for it fucking liberal. I don't know what to tell you. I mean I you know I'm coming at it from another perspective but I'm just thinking to myself how you know that's a that's a. That's a tough tough spot. But let's take that element out of it for the purpose of this particular moment in history and I have no idea how people who have. Let's say three who are five seven and nine. You know I mean I don't even I can't even imagine I can't imagine I can't imagine it's like I see my neighbor. Who's a great guy and he'll go how you hold up and he sees me and Jameson. Come back from the golf course. I'm going I don't know couldn't putt today. You know shit fine with me. And then he like yeah going. Oh Yeah that's right you've got five kids and that's the thing I mean. I know there are a number of people in that spot and it's just like Shit I don't know I mean I'm sure you have a number of friends who have multiple children and what it what they say. The experiences like Yeah I mean they. They can't leave him with like my brother's got five hundred eleven but Most of my zoom poker friends are married with children. They late night on Friday and Saturday. There get drunk with you yeah poker. Oh yeah definitely I did find four to hell week. I'm at a point. Although this past Saturday with the couple's golf thing was super enjoyable That what I find my. I'm building my week. Like the climax of my week is eight o'clock central on Sunday night for the last day you know. I can't wait for that. Can't wait to sit on the couch and watch. Tv At eight o'clock five days from now. That's what it's come to. It's like five years ago. Can't wait for the fucking orgy in Las Vegas. Now it's can't wait to see the thing on the Bulls and you know it's like this. Is this where things have? This is where things have gone so quickly so quickly. But that's where it is so I mean I am the father of one so for media even I just don't I can't relate. I can't relate to what people are experiencing with it. You know with their How they're navigating you know Parenting and kids never leaving the house to all right. Yes Ed that to your list. I'm sorry that you don't worry about it in his My Dad is to my dad's called me and he texted me to call him. And so it's like one of those things but you know it's like one of like. Sometimes he does that and it's not urgent but it's one of those things where when it happens you go. This has to be urgent Bradman. I'll call them and go. How's it going buddy good? I thought I thought something was going on with family members. So I don't know now I might be joking about it and then something awful is happening and So anyway that's that's what's going on right now and if that is indeed the case we will be. We will be editing editing this out Let's see hi. This is a good question. Hi Tim would you ever consider inviting Bob Festival? Jason Baird on the podcast or is this. A juice isn't worth the squeeze situation. There's a juice isn't worth the squeeze situation for email or pizza shop again. I'm enjoying the show that's from Adam. Not Colorado yes. I would as a matter of fact when Seymour was producing the sea monster. He asked Barrett And Barrett said no in his reason though was he was consultant for one. Oh One Which personally I think he was using as an excuse but I also understand it I also think the people want one would have cared but whatever it's neither here nor there. Yeah and I'd have Bob fast a the thing with the talk about these things. I talk about like everybody knows and in reality of their thirteen. Th that's thirteen old Bob. Vesco is who I go hosted with in two thousand seven for five months when Martin quit producer. Joe Got fired and the cat got fired and Jason Barrett is the program director who initiated that And it was for real when I talk about these these These shows where I go. God these are the worst that I can recall doing. They bring me back to that time but when I say that I can understand how people go you know her friends with Bob. For example I hate. Tim was bad mouth. And then it's not. It's not what it is like you could. You could put me with. I don't know Who would be considered a party? Nicholas be a great example. I mean fuck burn As far as has been knowledge Cachet in the market Randy character there would be another one and I just don't think it'd be a good show you know. Now I'm not saying Bob. Festival was Bernie Mac. Lizard the point being that and it wouldn't be good for those guys either. You know. This isn't a this isn't a me thing this is. There's chemistry you know In the way that you like to do a show and what? You're entertained by and In Bob and I just have absolutely two different styles which was why the whole thing of bringing him in was such a mistake and And the way it was handled was disappointing. And I it's been. It's been thirteen years but my opinion doesn't change. I mean I'm certainly not nearly as upset about it as I was at that time but it it's that doesn't change the way that was handled. It was so it was poorly handled. That's that's where Jason Barrett comes in to Jason Barrett's credit a couple of later Because I see because I had this thing man and I made no secret of it. I know he knows it. And this is why a deep dive on like oh seven would be Would probably be entertaining for the audience especially the people. 'cause I would guess. Let me throw this. I I like you know like arbitrary percentages we one gangster Pete of the people listening to TMA in two thousand eight hundred twenty and this podcast in twenty twenty. What percentage do you think we're listening to the morning grind in two thousand six in the morning grind in two thousand seven fifteen twenty? I like the number. I think Twenty's going twentieth certainly go under. I Dunno maybe not because I'm thinking I'm thinking more in the ten to fifteen range that's loyal fan base so I think it is it just I think I just feel like because so. Many now are in their twenties early thirties. That if you take it back it's like where is there any way? They were listening when they were like ten. You know it's just so anyway. Whatever the the premise being I think people who are totally unfamiliar with the story would be entertained by it. And then I think the people who are familiar with the story would love to hear the behind the scenes on it and in its when I bring Barrett. Now they they picture the his top twenty five list that we make fun of every Super Bowl Week But but the history actually it goes back to when he was the program director at CAF s and he was He he micromanaged it to the point. Where producer Joe? Who is you know? He has worked on the show in seven years. He's still a friend of mine he's also. I when when the word loyalty is used. I feel like the word loyalty loyalty of like you follow the dictator loyalty which I don't have first off. I'd like to think I wouldn't be under that umbrella anyway. With regard to dictator. But you kind of loyalty to principle which is a totally different kind of loyalty. Like I don't want somebody to blindly. Follow me I surround myself when we do have business ventures with people who I know. We'll say I disagree. I prefer that I I think I think I mean I think it's kind of like. I think that's like an obvious thing that you want to do. So Joe is not like this. Tim Is the greatest thing you know at all. I don't want that. And you pete absolutely or not which I love and I prefer You know so joe so with that said Joe in two thousand six when he got fired he told the GM to go fuck himself. I mean you can't do that I can be like I don't want my guy whacked but you how can I? How can I go in and fight for him when he told the GM to go fuck himself just whacked in like August or September? Martin is run into the ground as we all were by Barrett would send these monster emails and he would send them on Friday afternoons like at five o'clock and I honestly don't think I don't think it was done intentionally. I really don't. I think it was just a lack of thinking of the the recipients in you I already heard you grown because you know what that does it just fox up people's weekends and you don't want your people to be unhappy so that lead into what we've talked about occasionally on the show. Which is the email he sent to. Martin and the cats specifically although I was included on it but it was going after Martin and the cat for I think. They ducked out of the show in October of. Oh six when we were in New York and the cardinals are playing the mets and the I think it was after game one. Yeah And they were staying over in Queens by Shea Stadium and because I wasn't doing TV. And because I'm fucking nut I. I didn't want to stay in Queens. Because as you might imagine they don't have the nicest hotels there and I'm like all this pay my own money and stay in Manhattan like a complete asshole but I was paying my own money and where we're going to be broadcast in the show is CBS. Which is on the West Side of Manhattan? So if you know your New York. Geography Queens is out to the east. You're going to the west side of Manhattan and you're coming into the city gets shit. I don't know what time they would have been leaving six in the morning for a show that starts at eight eastern and they had been up at the ballpark until you know. I don't even know one or two in the morning so they ducked out earlier. Now I will say this in fairness they should have let them let Jason no they were going to duck out and I think it might have been okay Because when they did it. I'm like Oh God I know this is going to be a problem but the email that Jason sent to Martin the cat and myself but again I did the whole show up because I didn't have any else to do. I'm doing the radio show. That's I'm there But I was included in. It'd probably the producer was as well. It was just it was so over the top and I'm reading it and And I remember the cab was taking me back to my place and I remember reading it going across Times Square just because it just one of those things. That'll stand up my mind. You know that couple blocks go across that area and and and I looked over and I remember thinking to myself. This is the moment happened crossing Times Square where where the show ends. That's what I remember thinking because I'm like I know Martin and Martin is already on the brink with this guy and Isil. This is it that he is going to. He's going to absolutely and I'm telling you I I my dad. It's Kinda like when people like yell at me now Pete. I kind of feel like you might have this trait producer. Joe Definitely has trait. Like you could yell at me. We were both pledges. Your pledge right so that so that probably factors into it. Because I know your dad and I can't picture him yelling but maybe he did. I have no fucking yeah. It doesn't strike me by my absolutely have his moments though. And so it's one of those things like people yell at me and then like Fox them up that I just stare back at them and I'm not doing it to be tough. It's just like if anything I'm like. Oh you're on tilt and now I can now. I now I got you. You know. That's how I look at it. It's like Oh you. You can't keep your shit together. They called me Smiley Frog when they yelled at me because I could smile and laugh at me. Like when guys with guys would be getting hazed. I'd be like that's great. Shit I mean that's like a legitimate. That's like a Jeffrey Ross. Bird you know. Remember what they called me. I have long hair which I know is impossible to fathom and I remember they called me the GIN blossoms But there were other things. That like occasionally. Oh I was watching. The have you watched the Beastie boys thing on Apple. Tv tits man. I'm not a big beastie boys guy away so it's Anna. Marie wasn't really big but they do it so well. Anyway one of my friends and I've forgotten about until it looks like Ad Rock and that was one of the things they used to repair when they're doing this shit. I'm like getting my ass lined up and I started laughing and they're screaming and they couldn't be more serious about it. You know twenty years old failing out of the zoo but this is your one moment of glory to yell at an eighteen year old shit faced. Dirac UP Buddy M is like Oh and then all of a sudden now I laugh and now they're on my ass so anyway premise. Being I've heard plenty of yelling in my life but when Martin Exit and Martin had been sitting on it I think this was. It was a Friday that was a Friday. We got email and so it had built up. Saturday Sunday Carl's plan again. I think on a Sunday night so I went back in studio and Monday morning. And then we have a meeting with Barrett me Barrett the cat Martin in this producer who bear it hired because he was going to be Barrett's guy. One of those moves standard Shit. Sure everybody in ever had a job. When management does moves. They hire their guy. Who's going to be a NARC? Abc Poker Shit. And he's a good guy. Know we knew what he was there for He didn't barely talk even before the show. And White Man this motherfucker. I can't tell bad mood. Or if he's mad but and he had been holding it in and bear starts the meeting. I mean Martin lay him like I mean. It brought me back to my childhood on Vienna in Saint Louis Hills with my dad yelling and I'm like I haven't heard anything like this. Ever and my suspicion when I read that e Mail on Friday in my cab in New York this is it. He's done. He is leaving the show and he isn't coming back and And that's that's that's how Martin Kilcoyne left the morning grind. And that's the way that it went down. I don't think it's anything that's classified fourteen years later at this point but then the cat and I had two months to plus months that happened in mid October of Auditioning people and Doug was the best one. It was a no brainer. And then I'm went to meet with Barrett on January third two seven and And I thought the way the meeting we're GONNA have dinner at J box and Clayton. May it rest in peace and I thought we were going to discuss? Our you know who we were going to recommend for the the new co host with me and the cat and I my suggestion was going to be dug on. I felt like it was kind of obvious. The other person in the mix was Chris. Pelican that those that was my list of two. That's all I had and the meeting was not the way the meeting was supposed to go. I was told that the cat was being fired. I was told that a gentleman I had never heard of name Bob. Vesco was coming in. That had a nickname bulldog and this is with Jason Barrett and that he needed to go along with it that I need to do the show the next morning and then after the show the next morning which was gonna be a Friday That he was gonNA fire the cat and I said Nope I'm sitting there. I'm just stunned because I'm like Holy Shit in four months I've lost my producer and both my co host and non working with a Guy. I have no idea who he is and I've got Twenty one months left on my contract and I'm just left. Tv to get away from the stuff. I didn't like there and now I got this and I remember thinking to myself that this This is a fucking disaster and I said I said with regard to the cat. He finds out tonight. He finds out either from me or from you but I'm not going to sit there and smile to his face all the while knowing you're planning on whacking them after the show so while you're trying to put me in a tough spot. I go well. I don't know what to tell you. Put me in a tough spot. So how do you want this to go down? So I wound up telling Jim. Hazy was fired so that was great And then a few months later the cat new bathroom so you can do the math on how that all playing out. But it it to Jason's credit a couple years later he contacted me and You know provided I guess for lack of better term the background on the story and And he was not his intention to fire. The cat that was that came from above him but They were losing so much money. They were just making cuts and the plan was to have it. Be Me the cat and Bob Vesco on the show and I would tell you this as much as I love the cat. It's wouldn't have it still wouldn't have met. I might not have been as bad. It just wasn't GonNa work dog and a cat nicely done pete. Nicely Duncan continue with the the The chemistry is just wouldn't have been there and it would have been. We wouldn't have the drama perhaps of okay. The cat got fired. Martin quit and Joe got fired. Now there's this new guy there and like the anger and I was Received some of the some of it but people are like what happened to the show that I loved. You know that time. It was only two and a half years old and what happened. This thing was so popular and it just got ripped apart. What the fuck happened. That's what I was lying. Yeah I guess you were listening. Yeah it was it was it was. It was brutal. It was brutal and then it became clear that that it wasn't going to work and I remember we were walking out of J box. Jason said I can picture that parking lot that faces the south He said well. If this doesn't work out it's going to be my ass and in. So what did he do? He blamed it on me. So that's the way that he got away from it. That's the way they work is. Tim Is an on board. Because Tim won't. Tim Wants his guys back. So he's not participating. I'm like the way the show started was Bob was running point and it wasn't working and so I went to them two weeks in and I said Hey I you know. I'm not asking for money you know I'm under contract and I said I'm trying to fix the thing that I think it might help if Iran point and then tried to you know see if that helps and I am. Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't but you know anytime there's this thing like if if the I don't even know what the Audio Archives Exist I don't know who would have bothered saving them but when the show started with Bob he was running point a few weeks later. I was running point Iran point until my last day there but back for the final couple months though my attorney was working on getting me out of there and you know we got out of there but That the you know the stuff with Jason. I heard him do an interview with Bob For his podcast. And they like passive aggressively again. Blamed me well. You can't have a show work when you know one of the host doesn't want to work to Mike God man. That's if you guys want to tell yourself that be my guest you know but you know as far as Me being difficult to work with. I've been working with like the same group of mother. Fuckers since two thousand seven with like a handful of different producers in thirteen sixteen years. And it's just like You know that that you know it's of one of those things it's like you guys can say it but I know you know that's not the truth and I also know the audience knows it's not the truth like deep down. The audience knows so. It's one of those things that again again. I mean how many people at this point even give it shit. It's thirteen years old but I absolute. There's there's really not any hard feelings about. It was disappointing the way it went down Bob And I. I don't know when five to seven years ago I feel like I reached out to him and I don't even know what caused it but I just said Hey. Listen you know because it's not like we cross paths. I haven't seen him since my last day there But I I know. Obviously it's no hard feelings at all you know and you may have said some things on my exit because the rallying cry because we can still have a great show here without him that you know. There's no hard feelings or anything like that. And Jason and I. The reason seem are Became part of our group was a recommendation from Jason Barrett and he was recommending Hires to me and he was very helpful. I mean listen. We joke about Sports Talk Radio but that guy does know people in the industry but then he became a consultant and he said yes consultant for one. It wouldn't be right if I you know. Continue to give you names too to pursue with regard to hires which is one hundred percent. Correct it's also however I think fair to observe than what you're doing these radio rankings that you are a consultant for station is when you're ranking them you know but it cuts both ways. And that's why he had now he's pissed off at our audience because our audience then begin tweeting. Adam asking who these fifty executives are thirty-five executives that that vote on these shows So I don't know if he would come on the podcast I still. I have no idea if he's still consultant for one on one. I have no idea but To answer the question with the stories And certainly there's a hell of a lot more to it I would have those guys on. I don't know if there's there are too many people who I wouldn't sit down with there really aren't they really aren't I guess you WanNa you WanNa sit with somebody who you know has all their faculties But if I disagree with somebody you know Ed Martin on this podcast somebody. I absolutely disagree with but when we came in when we disagree on things but he couldn't be friendlier. Was emailing me for a while. And you know Just because he has a different worldview doesn't mean I don't WanNa talk with the guy so That would be an example of that. Let me see All right I've gone long enough gangster pete off their Thank you to our sponsors. Rang Kelly. The home loan expert Dot Com mark. Hanna Evergreen Wealth Strategies Online at Evergreen S. T. L. DOT COM mark Hanno with evergreen wealth strategies. Really recommend him to our audience and I. 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I gotTa make sure I delete the ones that I that I have answered listens about online poker I'll say this I don't like that's I'm talking like ten people if I get into it. But this is God I to Timmy. Recaps and you know those are great questions they get me going and Pete you might be going. Oh God I thought I was on my way home but he is. He's asked a couple and I haven't I haven't gone to here. I have saved And I WANNA make sure I get to. It's this is one he sent on Friday questioned slash topic for Q FTA. There's been a lot of talk recently about today's polarization tribalism of politics and now some people on the TMA fan page in the real world aren't able to discuss argue provocative topics in good faith instead they dig in on their position in discount differing opinions. Although I know there's plenty of that going on I think it's exhilarating to have my own opinions and beliefs challenged. I truly enjoy when someone presents me with new information. I didn't previously have or hadn't before thought forcing media either steel man my belief or change it due to a new set of data. This last happened for me after reading a book by gentleman. I don't necessarily line up with when it comes to our respective worldviews. I've long believed and parroted the notion that things have never been more politically polarized than they are today. I then I read a book by as Recline co-founder. Vox called why we're polarized in which he surmises the commonly held belief that we as a society have never been more polarized than we are. Today is actually factually incorrect. He argues that things were much. More polarized as recently as fit forty or fifty years ago the difference. Today's voting patterns are now Kylie correlated with religion race. Ethnicity Gender neighborhood. He goes on to say. In the trump era each party has a world view that is internally coherent and those world views are mutually exclusive and intern directly hostile to each other simply put belief systems are and identity now directly map onto one's respective political party which makes people believe. We are the most polarized. We've been despite being incorrect. He gives examples of violence. Riots and murders in the name of politics forty and fifty years ago that go above and beyond anything. We're seeing today. This book changed my outlook on polarization identity politics and how I view the two major parties so with that said. When is the last time you personally were confronted with a persuasive argument which challenged a deeply held belief forcing you to change and opinion slash belief system. Same question for gangster Pete. Thanks that comes from Timmy. Recaps gangster Pete. This is a big question. I didn't realize it was going to have a big question at the end because I hadn't read the email but now that I have now I want to try to find something Off the top of my head. I can't think of any specific thing but I am always open to logic and reason like I don't like to dig my heels in where I will not change my mind. If you make great points and you can change my mind. I agree with you. And that's that's one of the main reasons I like. Listen to that Rogan podcast. Because he's open minded. He has people with all different kind of us. Come on and he's opened a change in his mind so I love debating with people that are open to change their mind. I hate debating with people that dig their heels in. It makes me want to Bang my head against the wall right. Which is why I'm not going to the That's a so. I'm I'm racking my brain I thought Representative Dan Crenshaw's appearance on bill. Maher was eye opening with regard to a belief I had that the country Did nothing in the month of February with regard to the corona virus I don't know if it necessarily like nothing's GonNa nothing will ever change my Mike Sue. This is this isn't like interpretation what the president was saying isn't like. Oh maybe he meant this. I mean that's always there and I don't I I if I would think maybe I'm off the mark on this. I would think like what so when people hear that topic they go well. Here's Dr Voucher. You on January twentieth in the fact that Dr Falconry as it has proven to be was wrong but I think maybe I'm wrong that people would agree that what Dr Pfau chief said one time on. Approximately January twentieth in an interview is a different operation than what the president was doing from the middle of February through while. I don't know how I don't know when it started. But that's when people started paying more attention to it Whenever up until like mid March I think I would like to think and if not like when you watch the video with the sound on and see the words coming out of his mouth like what would the excuse be there i. I really don't know that that can't be that can't be revised so that's an an and that actually is somehow being litigated like well. There were a lot of people who were wrong. We estimate they may have been wrong on what they thought was going to happen. But there's a difference in being wrong using data versus saying it's just going to like a miracle or everybody has test and we'll have in. It's going to be amazing. You know you know. It's like the flu but like the flu. Like which still by the way is still traveling around memes on social media but what I can already. I'M GONNA set the over under eight and a half three meals now where I will get graphs. It's like the flu and why that's still right. It's an amazing thing. It's amazing fucking thing and that's why I kinda don't WanNa talk about it but it ties into as I was thinking I remember watching that interview first off. I if I'm wrong on this this will be something we're also have to own it. I am of the opinion that Dan Crenshaw Is a really good man. I think that and we've talked about him before because we're talking about his appearance on Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago Pete and you said he was on Rogan. Recall if you had listened to you at the time well I listened. He'd been on before and I listen to him and then I've now since listened to the new one but yeah I like him. He's he seems like good dude and he's open minded and well thought out of his opinions right. And that's that's that's where I am on him and I really. I gotTA listen to that. I gotTa make a point to listen to that recent interview with them at this point. It's not that recent but the more The one that was done. I guess in April so so you know I will. It's like if Nancy when he has Nancy Pelosi on. I just kind of tune it out. You know a listen to see if there's some like news or something. She can point to that. I can check but otherwise I tune it out which may or may not be fair to her. Just like when the president's doing his press conferences or what he was doing them. I just realized Okay Mute. You know here comes burks here comes foudy. Here comes know the surgeon. General whomever I I okay. I'll listen. Okay here he comes a muting. You know So you know Mitch McConnell same thing Dan Crenshaw and he is a Republican right I listened to because I believe he's coming from a place of honesty. Now if proven to be wrong and it goes on realize they can't be one hundred percent transparent all the time. So if that's the bar that you're GONNA set for people you're GonNa come away disappointed and I'm not talking about like blatantly lie to you I'm just talking about. There are some things that they know that they can't say. Are there some things that are still up in the air that they can't say or there are some things that are really gray that it's tough to explain a twenty second sound bite or tweet but I thought in that interview first off? We talked about the fact that there was no audience was huge was a great thing was a great thing so good because otherwise it would have been. Oh Shit now I got Bill Maher. The host got to score points and I'm Ben Crenshaw I got score points and just have a conversation and and I loved that And also he's saying Yeah. This thing is he goes. I can't remember what is what is our goal. Here's our goal here to get to. The truth is our goal here to attack president trump because they're two different things and then he laid out his reasoning and house. Like that's great because in my mind I associate a lot of the failure of what has taken place with the president as the person who at least thirty five percent of the country will follow into anything and probably more and if the president is telling. I know this if Rock Obama would've been saying it's just like the flu and you know it's just going to disappear. I would have like oh. That's great to hear whereas a number of people who right now are following president trump would have. Bama's saying it's just like the flu and it's just going to go away. There's no way you know. But because he has from my standpoint like zero credibility when it comes to when he's just like it's just like babbling. I'm just GonNa Shit you know. It doesn't matter. It's it's the standard thing you know. It's going to be wonderful. It's GONNA be huge. It's going to be big. It's going to be great. It's GonNa Miracle are responsible to make all of the things you just like it. But but I but I'm as we were talking about back in March. It was like he does what he's doing that. That doesn't matter to me because it's not like I'm like Oh we're in good shape the president said we're gonNA shape it just. He has zero credibility. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter Dan Crenshaw says something. I'll pay attention just like Nancy. Pelosi saying something done. Have any credibility for me doesn't have any credibility for me which again it may be unfair to these people and I say this but at this moment Dan crunch or somebody that I do take seriously and so I thought that interview is I opening that he pointed out. That February wasn't just this month. Where because I think a lot of people if they were paying attention in February would go shit this was going on in February and presidents out there talking about everybody will have tests and it's GonNa go away like a miracle and yeah that that might have been him doing that but that doesn't mean that the rest of the government was doing that and I thought that was an important point doesn't mean the things were done the way that if we could go back and do it again but nonetheless I thought that was eye opening and then something that certainly isn't. It's completely apples and oranges. But for the purpose of the discussion I mean I was dead. Set on the battle hawks being like nothing so you know to compare the pandemic in the battle. Hawks is obviously. I'm not comparing the two but as far as mindset be being just like certain about something now. This is certain about something that had yet to happen. This is being certain about something that happened. In digging in like fit my political worldview but I was like Oh God I mean really you know and then I'm like okay. The cats saying that. It's going to be this because of people wanting to show Stan Kroenke and I'm like I mean. Are People really going to go down but dome in February and Really Watch people? We don't know play against other people. We don't know for teams we can identify. I mean there's just no way. And he's betting me whatever we didn't find a betting a dollar figure but betting me they'll they'll sell twenty five thousand tickets to the And sure as Hell. I mean before before we even got to the opener. They'd play to road games and I'm like fuck I'M GONNA lose fat and I'm by the way thrilled that I am. And he was right and I could not have been more wrong. I was also certain and I got the Plow Hawk money. Even though the season hasn't started it doesn't change. I'm not going to move the goalposts. the bet was in between the off season the start of the regular season. But that's basing it off April first essentially March twenty seventh or whatever was going to be. I can't move the goalposts now that we've had this outline situation so I owe him one hundred bucks because I gave him ten to one. I was going to give him ten to one on anything up to a thousand dollars so I could have lost a lot of money like he could and I would thousand but he bet ten thank you thankfully that the cardinals would make a move for a big bat in the off season. I was certain of it and I was wrong. Big Time wrong. I don't even know if they ever were really even in the mix to do it and I'm stunned because I've been one of the people who doesn't have any ties to the organization whatsoever. Who is opined that? This anti cardinal sentiment from portion of the fan base is just it's misguided if it's rooted in they don't want to spend money well shit now. I am forced to reexamine again. It's not political. You know I can't let me put it this way when it comes to political I cannot imagine I cannot imagine that there will come a time in my lifetime. We're all go. I was wrong on Donald Trump. I cannot imagine that ever coming and I I just. I can't imagine that ever happening. I I guess I I guess I guess my follow up to that is I suppose. I hope that I say it because that means he would have done some really good things like I. I just can't imagine that ever happening. I just can't imagine ever having and I know I'm pissing off a good portion of the audience but when I'm saying this I'm not talking about you know like my portfolio because that's not what I base things on It's a piece of the puzzle. I'm talking about what I personally look for in a leader and by the way this isn't necessarily the president this could be somebody who's running a business. You know this could be somebody who's managing a baseball team if I feel like that person is up there manipulating people and the truth for their own advantage. That's not somebody I personally would would tie my time my beliefs into personally I realized for others are like well. I recognize that this. Is You know a little different than what we're used to. But I'm pro-life and fuck it out you know or I realize this is what it is but you know my portfolio went up you know x percent then so fuck it you know or die in the banking industry and Jesus Mary Joseph the deregulation of this has been so great in comparison what we dealt with with so fuck it and I think I think there's a lot of that my think more so than like the people who go to the rallies and like worship the cult of personality but maybe I'm wrong on that I don't know like the people I know who would be considered quote unquote trump fans would necessarily be like real public about it but but they're like hat's Kinda works for what I do or you know. Yeah I know but you know I really am antiabortion so you know so that's that's that's where I come in on on You know looking back on things and and I was wrong on that but I'll say this and my wife and I both thought this. I don't know if you heard this pete. With regard to the Biden tear read allegations. President trump was on. I think it was a podcast which is amazing in and of itself but great You know he was on a podcast and he was asked about Biden's allegations and in your stand. The Tara Reid allegations he had a surprising answer. Or are you so you're familiar with think I talked about this with you. Know we haven't really. I did this like it headlines I just remember I mean I just remember reading about it but okay so you agree you thought the answer was surprising to considering the source definitely so. I listen to it and I'm like and my wife thought the same thing and I'm like Oh that was actually kick. I have to say I was wrong on that. So I'll I'll eat my shit when we listen. It wasn't like a a great moment in history by any means. I mean we're talking about a sexual harassment allegation. But what would you think okay? He's running against Joe Biden. I guess I still. I Still WanNa find somebody to take a bed. Who gave me good odds that Donald trump or Joe Biden is not president is not sworn in in January. Twenty twenty one. I just can't find the odds yet but either way it looks like it's trump first biden. And what would you think he would do? He would especially on the topic of sexual harassment attack. He would absolutely. That's what I thought I'm like. Oh this is going to be another moment of a lack of self awareness that fits his eddie goes well. You know what I'm paraphrasing here. But something along the lines of. It's amazing how this happens where you get any semblance of of fame popularity and people can just come out of the woodwork. And say whatever so I would say to him. He should fight them. And I'm like Holy Shit I really I. I had a moment of warmth come over my body like did you really. I really did and I. I was watching. I was watching this news on my own. You know I think Annemarie was Was sitting over with with Jameson. Feeding Jamison and And so I didn't even know she was paying attention and I got up and I don't I don't think he even said anything I just because I think she's paying attention. She's dealing with a two year old over there and she goes well. That was surprising. Go Yeah that's exactly what I was saying. What the Fuck I. It's great you know now. Do I think it means he's had this Christmas future visit him? You know. No I don't but if there are those moments that's great you know because it just didn't fit the what has been the playbook like well before he became president. You know it always is a benefit. Him Is my perspective. I just it's my perspective. I'm acknowledging when I am wrong I was wrong on this with regard to crenshaw presented on On Marsh. Oh I was wrong in the Battle Hawks. I was on the cardinals thing and I didn't really have an opinion on what president trump would say about the Joe Biden thing Until it was just in a newscast and then I heard the interview. I'm like Holy Shit. That's that was. That's a principle. The answer you know God bless America. It's a principal dancer. So I don't know and then I take a step back. And then the cynic in me goes okay. Has He thought about it and before he was so dead? Set about running against running for running against Biden that now he's like Shit. I'M GONNA be Biden's with no problems. So he's like propping him up kind of like he had been doing with Bernie Sanders. That's the cynic in me. But I heard the whole answer and I think he was being sincere. I really do and I don't know if I've said those words in in years so There there are four examples many of which will lead to people fucking hating me even more But that is that's that's that's that's where I'm coming from on it gangster. Let THEM HATE. Let them hate. I'm swerving into the. Hey that's the title of the PODCAST. All right we'll wrap up swerving into the hate here gangster Pete. Thank you to Brian Kelly. The home loan expert Dot Com. 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"Saddam. Seven ten espn presented by Progressive Insurance. Guests appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. The NBA always at the forefront of doing the right thing and our next guest. He's a part of that family and we love having mom. We love talking to him as in L.. A. Kid David Physio joining us here. On the show on seven ten ESPN PHYS! Thank you so much for the time. I do want to talk about this Coaches Association Committee that you're on with popping. Steve and Stan Van Gundy. Lloyd Pearson just a second. But just as someone look, you grew up here. You are african-american. What are your thoughts on just what you're seeing right now in this country? You know I'm not surprised. I mean this is this is. This is what boils over when. You know in nineteen. Ninety one Rodney King was beaten down on video. And you know, although we protested and burned down things and tried to get the message out that. there was some some really bad actors in the police force. You know don't really listen not to change and. Time and time again we've seen. On tape on video all camera phone. black man, either be a brutalized and murdered unarmed black man. being targeted. you know for the color of their skin, and This was just a matter of time before This boiled over an. was different than back. Then as you know, we are social media and the message is now. A national message worldwide message spraying very fast, and you can see that you know if you go back to those protests back then it was. It was mainly Black Black People Hispanic people in the streets. Protested and now you just have an array of races and. And Ages and genders out there saying that enough is enough and you know. Obviously we don't want to see violence or or anything bad happened anybody already damage to people's property but at the end of the day they say, is that the only way the voiceless is hurt his through action like this. Oh No, I'm not surprised and you know. You know it's just unfortunate and I just WanNa make sure that I sent condolences. you know to the Floyd family and Aubrey family and. Taylor family, and all of the other families that have had to suffer. Through losing loved ones at the hands of the police. How encouraged are you? Though by the stuff you just mentioned about people from all sorts of different backgrounds in age demographics coming together, whereas that hasn't been the case previously. I am encouraged You know I've always said that this isn't a black problem. This is this is this is the White Problem Mrs perpetuated through our history you know. It's been a stain on our history. The the racism that that our country was founded on. The the killing of native American Indians or this men of Africans. You know this is. This has been a white problem and. You know to see so many why people have conscience. Come out and start to really recognize that. these are things that don't just affect our community, but it's a fact on all humanity. is really encouraging, but you know as my wife said here. We sit here talking. You know as as many people are. That are in the street right now protests that we need double that to come out and vote. You know and that's the thing that's GonNa. Really my the two years the two year vote cycles, and then obviously the the four year. What is critical, but we need all of these folks went when the story goes away to step up and get out and vote and put people in these positions that are GONNA put humanity i. And that's that's my point. Is that I? Look at it this way David. PHYSIO joining us here on the Sodano, show is that it is important to register. There's you know there's so many people is three hundred thirty million people in this country, and about sixty, some odd percent of those are eligible to vote, but yet only. Half of those actually are registered to vote and I think that whether it's the federal level, but more importantly the local level like those those votes those ballots. That's the most as important as anything to be honest with you. Know. You're absolutely right. You know you start to talk about your Mayor Council People Police teeth. You know, Sarah. Though the people that we vote for those people that were putting in those positions, and so you know the thing that I think about it, 'cause I. You know I had a grandfather I was deeply rooted in the civil rights movement. He used to always tell. Is You know? Why do people think we die for the right to vote? It was four times like this for for times like you know when Rodney King was beaten. we need to be able to exercise that right because think about it. If all of this was going on, and we didn't have the right to vote. Could you imagine then what would be transpiring and so Dad is what are our parents grandparents? Great grandparents went through and why they went through. It is for times like this, and so if you if you aren't registered to vote if you if you. If you're not a person that has ever voted, you must go online. How to register, it's very easy. Get Online. Get yourself registered. And about the candidates for all of these local level positions. That can impact the change that we're talking about. David Dale with us here and Look David I think that you know as we talk about the political process, the reason you need to get involved in the political processes because the actual issue that we're talking about the killing of minorities and African Americans in this country, the hands of police, and just the injustices, and the the fact that we just had a young man on his I. Don't know if you were listening. Literally said I'M A. A college graduate, right and I'm in my car I've been you know. Have guns pulled on on me and we're just going to dinner you me and my brother, and that's that's an America that a lot of people don't live and the fact that there are people that live that way. We need to focus on that and understand that it's not even politics. This is a humanity thing. You know what I mean. People be treated humanely. And again you know. The and voting, and all that you're not going to change. People's hearts, but you could definitely suppress some of their actions with with penalties with accountability. Along and you know I feel for that kid, because unfortunately you know throughout my childhood or Adolescence, that was a routine week for me was two or three times a week. Having a gun pointed at the back of my head. you know as we're being pulled over in south central lay you know I. It's a shame that I could that I could sit here and do the exactly team that you have to do when you're over. Bottom a police we didn't get. Kill. We see your license and registration. We got throw your keys out. The car puts hands out the car door from the outside. So your hands backups slow. Get down on your knees hands behind your head, and then you heard Click Click. And that is traumatizing and the fact that I know that by heart still at forty five years old. really sad me that. I know that, but it also shows that here. We are thirty years later, and this stuff is still happening, and things just got to change David, Dale joining us here, former NBA coach! Committee for Racial Justice and reform that the NBA has put together. We'll talk about that in a second but FIZ. What can we do? What can people like me? People who are playing in professional sports. People who are in the limelight people who have a platform? What can we continue to do? What can we do? That maybe hasn't been done to help this. Cause her one. We can't let just be a moment of outraged we had. THIS HAS TO BE A. To to when you dealing with the humanity of human beings continuous effort. To make sure that we never let these things creep back into our society, so we have to keep a spotlight on what is happening in our communities and people that have a microphone and TV, and his followers must continue to put the spotlight on this and the other thing that you can really do is get involved from from from a programming standpoint from a activism standpoint. Get with the N. double. ACP. Urban League color of change. All of these black lives matter you know. Don't look at these organizations as like their You have to be this all out. You Know Gung Ho activists type of person. That's not what it's about. It's about sewing that you support them. And that you you have empathy for the communities that are suffering and ingest you know whether it's donating money or donating some time or donating your platform. To the cause I think there are things that you can really do to help. David Fidel with us here phys so. You and the NBA Coaches Association. You establish this committee. It's yourself it's pop. It's Lloyd Pierce. It's Stan Van Gundy. Steve Kerr how did this all come about? you know Lloyd periods? Really really was the driving force behind this You know we also got. J.. B. Bickerstaff Brett Brown and Quin Snyder. On it and Lloyd Really galvanized the coaches association, which wasn't hard because. You know one thing you can say about our coaches is we stand up for our communities? And then we stand up against injustice you know I in all of our all away so Lloyd. you know brought this association. Rick mmediately Riccar allow immediately got us all Zolt. Call and and we began discussing. You know real action steps that we can take association. To to really try to impact, change and I'm just really proud to be affiliated. You know the fact that Rick got me involved despite the fact that I'm not necessarily employed by team right now. you know it was really honor for me and to see all of these men put their heart and soul into this You know it's really moving, and it means a lot to me. That now I'm a part of this group and I'm a colleague of these man, because these are that I could be proud to be around and this, and this guy's from all different races and colors. You talk about White Man. We Got Hispanic coaches. We have sposa Filipino band. You know. Obviously, we have black coaches. We got all different ages, and you know just really good to see that no matter what color age you are, we all feel the same way about it and so You Know I. Think we're GONNA. Do some things that you know really can facilitate some changes. Obviously, we're GONNA need a lot of help going to do a lot of collaborating with. Their for community leaders and That that really care about these issues of humanity and you know. Hopefully we can really. Do some good things. David still with us here, phys. You're the best man. Thank you so much. You're taking the time. Stay safe. Stay healthy, and hopefully we'll talk again soon. Buddy take care all right, take care. There is David Fidel with us here on the Sodano show on seven ten. ESPN just powerful stuff, man, I mean. He nailed it all right. We're going to open up the phones again. At Eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, ESPN, eight, seven, seven, seven, three, seven, seven, six, I wanNA talk to you. Guys Will WanNa talk this through WanNa. Talk about. About the community we want to try to find ways to help each other. We gotta help each other man. You heard this man we've been talking about. I've been preaching about it her preaching about it, a means GonNa, come on and talk about it at eleven forty, but we need to hear from you. Eight, seven, seven seven ten ESPN. We're back in less than two minutes. 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Thank you gift which includes two hundred dollars service Valvoline, instant oil change under dollar gift card to wingstop and versus liquor and one hundred dollars gift card. At terrier DOT COM cat footwear is also available at you terrier. So. I want to thank David Vidale. I WANNA. Thank herm Edwards, I know it means going to join us at eleven. Forty is want to thank all of you who have. Called in today tuned in today. And Hopefully we make an impact. That's kind of the key here you know. Hopefully we'll make an impact and we're gonNA. Talk some more on the phones. We don't have another gas for another twenty minutes or so so if you want to hop aboard, it's eight seven, seven seven ten espn but I think at the very genesis of this it's this isn't a political issue. Guys, humanity issue because `simple. Isn't that hard man? Okay it's not. You gotTA treat people with respect men. We learn at a very young age. Respect people understand people listen to people. Be Kind to people is not that hard. It's not and look I would welcome any anyone on a police force right now. If you happen to be listening if you WANNA call in, we will give you anonymity. I understand that it may not be something that you want to put your name out there or even your department but I'd be willing to have that conversation. We do as well because I think it's an important conversation to have. So Let's do this as a community. And understand that you can't treat people like second class citizens in. Like? We've just done that for too long and growing up in different Americas is not right. Everyone should grow in the same America. The land of the free, the home of the brave the land of opportunity, right? That's what it's supposed to be. Let's make it that like for real for everybody. That's important here and as visit. Get involved with that's donating. Some money donated some time showing support. Those things. Are the very least we could do. I was just reading quote from Quin Snyder. The head coach of the Utah Jazz. He was on the podcast. And it said he said this about willing to have that dialogue to be transparent with yourself to be honest with yourself ultimately as a white man. What I was hearing was we need help. It's not enough just to have your support. There has to be a willingness to confront these things when you see them. To be willing to take action, and that's what needs to be done, and that's why I'm so proud when I see people of all different colors and backgrounds and Mris at these protests. And Again I. Don't condone the violence, but I understand it. And hopefully we can, we can move past it that part the violence part. And we can focus. On, what's important? Which is the protesting? Because Ninety nine percent of these protests have been? Peaceful. Informative Educational. Inspiring. We can't be focusing I. Think the media. We need to do a better job to a focusing on that more. I know that the visuals look. Capture, people on television. But you know what? You know what captures people more is inspiration. Is Unity. And that. Is What we need to focus on. Go to the phones. Mitch what's up, Mitch? Georgie I wish I could talk to you on the better circumstances. Just gets worse. I don't have. Well to me. He was in handcuffs. That's check me. No reason to kill. There's other three people winning to get arrested. This not a mom-and-pop. Macharia cops good, we've got him out. I say somebody takes the chiefs of. Police say she's they take responsibility. Maybe hit them hard with money or find them if they get these guys. This guy had eighteen complaints in nineteen years. If you read it, it's terrible and there's other three guys did not. We would have. This did the right thing. A big twenty dollars forge bill big deal. Down I'm from style. Didn't pay taxes on the cigarettes. Seven guys put an illegal choke didn't pay taxes on the cigarettes. Ridiculous is. In such trouble now. Thank you met right? It is ridiculous. You're right. and. That's why you're seeing the outrage and it's justifiable. Because it's not just those instances. It's four hundred years of instances. And at some point you gotta look at yourself in the mirror man and who you are. You know. And we're all guilty of it. But. Because everyone has their biases. But that doesn't mean we can't change and we can't just do. What's best for each other. Again at the very core man, the basic things you're taught. is to understand people respect people. Let's just do that. Let's just start there. Harrison L. A. what's up, Paris. Known Georgia I long long time listener first-time caller, thank you. I WANNA, say this George. I am not from here. I was wondering hundred. I've been here for fifty years. Came and when it first came to the to La i, the are pointing to phrase. We all look alike. Didn't know what it what it meant. On Joe and Nineteen seventy-one I duNno, how How familiar you are with with La. crenshaw and Rodeo which is not will bomber boulevard. Okay, rather than in that. There was a store called boys market. I used to work there. I was going to school at night at a friend from an HR Louisiana, who's going to school at night as well. We went to work that morning at ten o'clock. The stores that are getting busy seven check sounds were open. and. right on the street. There was there was a store market fourteen where Robert had been committed. In came to police officers. They. Not The seven six or man fi were orientals and tour blacks John Myself. Came to police officers. And said to me John. You. Both are suspect. A robbery has been committed committed down the street. John and I was surprised. They took US worn off. And as soon as the guy saw, the guy said. These are kids man. The guy came in here were ruined ups. Fast, forward. In nineteen seventy five. We're going down crenshaw towards four of us on thirty ninth and crenshaw. We went down. We would go. made a left. Anonymously that we would surrounded by a four patrol by porno patrol officers. They said that there were four individuals who are committed a crime. Four guys. I was wearing a t shirt in Iraq and they just I. Don't know what kind of description they got. But the guy said. One of the guys wearing a tee shirt. I was sitting in the back. This guy didn't even know this were t shirt. Right then there are George. It hit me. I said. Look alike so you just we saw four four block is. No description that you got what you stop them. Go. Hundred Eighty three. I was working for RTD. We're coming down with suitable before we I mean. We can't before we got to Worcester Boulevard. I said to my friends were four of us. There was a police car right at the corner. I say I'll soon as we cross was. We're going to be filing so fed so done. They followed us. I. They've stopped me because I didn't have the tag on my on my on my car, which true I just forgotten to put it on, but the point. Is. If I was. I'm not GonNa, say Hispanic because he'd be had Min Hispanic you. Probably they probably would have been followed. We win or lose white when yellow rain. I swear to God. That will not have you known that my car didn't have anything. And although I've been here for a long time. I've never been EXP- been exposed like the African American has. where? There have been belittle. kicked. or any member of their family? I heard keyshawn talking about early. But. Now I understand why anger. Why the? Hostility! Why the distress! Are, bad. But that enough just. To start. Provoking a black person. And then leads to hostility. And sometimes in tries it, and the best is a policeman is a black to. I mean it's a it's a dead wood. and. That's unfortunate that these things have been going on and. Very little has been done about it. Harris to was a I. I had been when I came here I really I was watching the An inquiry of your remember i Rubin Talavera okay. I did not know at the time George. What was the equal Rubens Solitaire list? On I found out i. read the papers because that was a young with nineteen. I read the papers to what took place. And how Rubens? was killed and I I. Don't know the if there were any any people found guilty about that. No I mean, listen. Thank you for the call Harris and I appreciate you telling us your story. As far as Ruben Salazar I I can let let me get back to that in a second as I got a lot of people on hold that I WANNA get to. But for those that don't know who Salazar was. Ruben Salazar was civil rights activists and he was a reporter for the La Times. So a Mexican American journalist, but I can. We can get to that in just a moment. Let me let me make sure I get these people in who have been waiting to tell their stories and kind of just weigh in on some of the conversations that we've been having this morning but I appreciate it. You stay safe. You stay healthy. Let me go to johnny in Victorville Johnny. Yes George I, WANNA! Thank you for your platform. I have enjoyed this I agree with. Every caller that has called it I'm say nine year old black man I was born in Louisiana grew up in Louisiana and Texas. I experienced being treated as second. Class citizens. I left there when I was nineteen I joined the Marine Corps. And in the Marines quit I learned what Sloan there. Hi, amber! We had anyone in our organization that would defame our character. We took care of that. there's time our lead would ask. What happened to him, nobody knew. But we took care of that. My point that I wanted to make today. the situation that that we are experiencing right now. Can Be prevented. If Wing Stop the cause of it. I guarantee you. Whenever they're the 'cause. That's GonNa be a reaction. they have a cause for what's going on right now. And eventually we will get through this. But I can guarantee you. If they have another 'cause. We're GONNA have another reaction. Thank your doors. Yeah No, you're right. This isn't GonNA end. We don't make real change, and that's why I was I started the show by talking about and you've heard Phil David. Physical and you've heard her mention that. People got should've OATMAN I and it's not about just at the federal level. I understand that the federal level is very polarizing right now and people are on different sides of that, and so be it and I'm not trying to change people to. Think differently when it comes to their politics in that regard, but this particular situation is not about politics about humanity. And I think that. If you are upset. With the way life is is going down I. Think it is as important as as much as as much as it is important to protest, and that is our God given right here in this country. I also think is as important to take advantage of our most important right, which is all right to vote? And people have died for the right to vote and I think that getting registered is much easier than it's ever been particularly in this state. So. Just do that and thank you for your story and I appreciate it real quick. Just to and again I WANNA get to as many calls as possible here for the Gentleman Harris who called earlier from dudas. was talking about Ruben Salazar Ruben? Salazar's I mentioned was an activist rights. Activists in the Mexican community was a reporter for the La Times and he. Passed away during A. Protest of the Vietnam. War In one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety, and was struck in the head by a canister canister of tear gas was shot. People believe that that was. Shot at him specifically to silence him as a vocal member of the Mexican American community here in L. A.. For those that don't know that you can read into the further details if you'd like but I know I had mentioned that we would get but I want to continue taking the calls. David isn't chat were Chatsworth David Good. Morning David! Shirt airman, yes, sir, okay would first of all the protesting, everybody has a differences whether it's good or bad in We're not here to debate. That but I think at the local level. If we just keep an eye, what's going around in certain states? I don't know if you've seen. The News won't show a lot of this and you know they have their reasons for, but if you've seen the sheriff in Flint Michigan. and. He was out there on. I did I did and he put his put his guns down. He took his his gear off and he told them. What do you want? What do you want me to do? How can I show solidarity? And he and they said to March with them and he did. Yeah he did and and he. You know everybody that was with them all their batons put away and that you know the the white I think that's the right way to do it if you're gonNA. If you'RE GONNA, try to make some change if we do it the right way because of what we've seen on the news, and they're only showing the bathtub. Really the good stuff right so everybody's just running. Running with the bad and I was listening to the morning. Show this morning and L Z Jovan from Arizona, and he said he was out there yesterday for about four or five hours, and it was like you know silent protesting and there was a couple of people who are just trying to round up the crowds, but if they show the good stuff that's on I think this though can be you know. A little quicker rather than you know all this. Just the the hurt and stuff it's it's it's sad. You know and we have to explain to our kids. You Know Hey, why this is happening and we shouldn't have to do that. You know and but it's what's going out there in the world right now, but if we all can take some like the Flint Michigan Seraphin in do that in our communities think a lot of this will be handled a little quieter. Yeah to your point and thank you for the call. David stay healthy stay safe. It's what I said earlier I mean. I started this by saying that part of this is on the media to. That ninety nine percent of these protests have been thoughtful and peaceful. And with a real purpose. And I understand that the images of the looting. Can stand out. And? Keep viewer there. But. Also. Unity will inspire and keep people there, too, I believe. So I, do think it's important on the media to do that. Go Thomas in La Thomas and George Douglas remind. America something when Martin Luther King was was marching, and they were marching peacefully. They had dogs sick gone down yet. They had water hoses put on them. Black churches were bombed and burned. We talk about Osama bin. Laden how he he he a wreck building. He bombed the building. They hundreds of black churches were bound right here in America and I WANNA. Let America, re be reminded. Two of the three civil rights workers sworn Chaney and Goodman. They were killed by law enforcement because they were registering people to vote the reason they were in. Mississippi was a church have been burned down down there. These are churches. Everybody's worried about you know talking about looting. Okay. There were no cameras there when they burn down churches and four little girls killing churches, so let's stop all this stuff about all looting and looting churches were burned. Swarner Chaney and Goodman all you gotta do with Google they were murdered by law enforcement because they were registering people to vote. is nothing new for somebody to come out of town to support everybody or they? Not from here? They not from it. We've been doing this in America the longest. People Harry Belafonte, a Kareem, and all these people they. They went down to where the trouble was. It's nothing new for this, but a miracle. Y You focusing on looting, remember the churches that were burned down in Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia don't forget that Yep. Don't forget what happened to Sworn Cheney. Don't forget. The Dog. Stead were sick on Martin. Luther King and how house was bombed and he was protesting peacefully. Peacefully, and this is what they did. He even went to Memphis to to be the peacemaker. He his blankets. Brian's were blown out and I'm sure it was by law enforcement. Thomas. Thank you for the call. Man, appreciate a stay safe. Stay healthy, okay. Thanks her. Manager. Hey George. Thanks for taking my call first time caller longtime listener. Thank you. I've heard people talk about different solutions, and in order to try and make things better. A lot of it's been. Dealing with training and whatnot. But I had a two-part idea I think in turn the country into a different direction that might be better for everybody sure and for just my opinion. But. I feel like a lot of people that are being targeted by. Certain police officers. Half retargeted because they don't have the resources in order to legally go after them if they were to survive their encounter. Whereas other people might have. Those resources available to them so I think what should be put in place as some sort of fund. In order for those people to. Take advantage of getting legal help other than public defenders and whatnot. You know better. Representation for them? And the second thing innocent fun in my head at least a. would be every cop having the body cam on them, but again since everything's going to five G. have that go to a live feed that goes to government approved website, or whatever and you can go onto that website. Click on your country or your county and whatnot. And look at different police officers Bodycam. In I. think that while I think that that I know that you're. I know that your your thought. There is to be helpful. And I know that it comes from a good place. I just think that. Will I get it I. You're one hundred percent right and I. do think that body Cams are important, and there should be more of them to be honest with you, but I live feed i. feel like that may be something that you'll get some political pushback on for infringing on people. So I I think that I don't know enough about that. To have an actual intellectual discussion with you so I don't want to necessarily touch that necessarily just 'cause. I'm not as informed on something like. Just the brainstorming ages trying to help. Make things better for everybody. Thank you, Mandy stay safe. Stay healthy. Let Me Grab Susan in Manhattan Beach Susan. Hey Can you hear me? Yes, absolutely, thank you for calling. I'm just trying to say that this is systemic. And it's not enough to just feel with the police because if you look at the legal system. People of Color go to jail for much longer sentences for the same crimes. They are targeted when they are going to communities that want to keep them out. and. Judges are unfair in how they. Deal with them, so it's not enough to just have the public and the police sit down. You also have to have reviews of these people that are sitting on the on the court, and how they're dealing with the people that their. Sentencing. Yeah I one hundred percent I agree I think that there needs to be reform across the Board Susan and thank you for the call I appreciate and that is. They need. We need to look at the Police Union situation? We need to look at. The the sheriff's department and the political. Aspects of that. We need to do reform across the board like again, and I am someone who supports and understands that law enforcement is a tough. Ask Job Like I get that and all I'm asking for is man. If there are just a few some bad apples. Let's figure out a way to for those bad apples to not make you look bad because that constantly is the case and we hear that over and over again so I. I want that to not be the case. And we should all feel like everyone is out there and law enforcement to protect and serve everyone, and it doesn't feel that way. So. Let's work on this together. One more call here and then we got a mean. James is important James. Hey guys! Thanks for the call. Appreciate it. One point that I wanted to bring up like one thing I haven't really. Sorry I don't mean. Gather Myself Second Short story I've experienced some pretty serious depression in my life. I mean I'm not gonNA. Say That I've experienced racism or anything like that. I'm not denying it or anything, but you know I've experienced. Local oppression I was. Extremely ostracized in school I, knew kid coming into a very small town I just got. became the social pariah so I know how it feels when it feels like the entire world is against you. The biggest issue, though it I was noticing in all of it. If you. Mansaray. Have you really get down to it? You really think about it a lot of critical thinking lot of introspection. It comes down to the haves and the have not. And it's everybody saying it's the stomach, but it's. It's hundreds of years of oppression against groups of people. There's so many layers so many blankets. On top of it, just covering it all up and. It's such a terrifying now. I'm sorry I'm just going at circles right now, but James. It's okay I mean to your point to your point and thank you for the call to your point. It's really one of these things where you're right. It is layers upon layers, and it's hundreds of years it's this isn't new. For a? Look. If you feel that way, okay, and you're just talking about and I'm not trying to diminish your situation right like if you're talking about feeling that way. In school. Imagine. Feeling that way. Every moment of your life. From school, but in all the different facets of your life in the areas, where they're supposed to be institutions to protect you and guide you. Beyond school. That's that's it right there. We'll talk to a mean. We're back in two and a half minutes Sodano with seven ten espn presented by progressive insurance. Guests like a mean Hassen, ESPN, NBA insider front of the program appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. It's also again. Thanks to our friends at Pennzoil. Motorola's made from natural gas gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil and my computer career training for a better life. Amine is here giving us the straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless thanks again to David Fidel who joined US earlier? Thanks again to Herman Edwards. Who joined US earlier now we think a mean so I mean look man. You and I have been friends for a long time. You know I I would imagine. We've had these conversations before but I would imagine what you saw. Over the last several days had to be not only disturbing, but I think maybe even potentially encouraging in some ways just based on the makeup of what we saw out there in the protests. were. Optimistic me hopes it gets is the precursor to something real something some real change in attitudes, assistant attitudes. because like you said the make up. You know the the this is not a black people protesting thing. This is Americans protesting. And hopefully those same Americans go to the polls, and and not just in the presidential elections, but also local government your DA's or least she's all the. Justices judges all the things that you have control over your vote really does matter and doesn't get swallowed up by millions and millions of other votes I hope everyone is out there marching exercise that constitutional to bring about change. having said that it's tough to see George in what feels like every major American city. a bunch of people go out protesting police violence. And the reaction from the police is okay. Let's be violence right that is really hard to swallow that it's not one or two backups, and it's not one or two bad You know police policing department. It is nationwide. They're all out there, showing themselves over and over and over and over again. and. even. You know I I guess the one thing I'll say. Is I shared a couple of? Examples of police officers, not doing that of ESPN the situation by by talking my knowledge ing the protesters. And I just wish that all the people who are justifying with the police officers who aren't doing that. you know just those violent actions could see that. No, no, the COP have another choice. They don't have to be the way they are. Yeah. Look, and I think that we've had numerous stories here whether it was her. FIZZ or yourself and you know or callers calling in with different examples of this and I think that there needs to be reform on a big level here I mean, and it's not you mentioned voting, but I also think there needs to be reform of police unions and things of that nature. There's actually a story today. USC had to denounce one of their boosters, and it so happens on Tom. Sweet time on that one. Last nine. They did this morning right, but it turns out. She's also. Part of the the attorneys that run the. Police Union. You know what I'm saying, and it's like and I think it's. It's a systemic issue beyond just the stuff. That's obvious, right? Federal Government Local Government Mayors you know police force like there are intricacies to. This is kind of my point. Right absolutely, and and and I WANNA be I'm not anti union. I think every. I'm part of a union. Right, exactly every workforce that is dealing with a management ownership has. A lot of money and power on needs a way to exercise leverage in turn, but That's why I say if you're a good cop. And you see a bad cop doing bad things. It's not enough for you to just be good cops. Well I'm. Over there. It's on you to push those guys out 'cause they make your union look bad when you have someone like that that lady. asking or Clean for people to get. Shot! Calling protesters stand thugs, which is just a delightful kind of specific sort of racism. They're. Like You're not GonNa win any kind of brown points with the rest of society, although our job is so hard. Yeah, and you have a lawyer who calls protesters Santa. And you have. A lawyer WHO's calling asking people shot, and and and so this is a part George where? Again. I don't think it's on us to fix anything. I mean we can fix what we can in terms of. A lucky people were going to hold these institutions accountable. And and whatnot, but at some point I am pleading with the good police officers which are hundreds of thousands in every precinct and all of. y'All got to be the ones that make the chain 'cause. You're the ones who are working side by side. You know officer so and so, and so and so and we pendants on so that dude's races that gets up people that do picks on minorities. You know who these people better than any of us do. Why don't Y'all do something about? Why is the onus on us to take them? Well said well said I. Hang out with us. Your twitter feed has been a combination of smart, insightful and actually kind of funny in some cases. Just based on your reaction to stuff. What is the thing the video you've seen the most you know as we try to end the show on a little bit of a lighter note while also being serious about what's happening video that you've seen that. You're like man i. this one just kind of had to make me laugh just because of what I what transpired. I needed this morning. It's a it's a black norm being harassed by police officers being handcuffed by police officers. For no reason other than they think he has worn out and he keeps saying to them. You guys are dumb. You guys are making a big mistake, but he kind of. Let them go through their whole suggish men, handling routine with forty cents kicked my ID, won't you? And they pulled out his pocket and it says he's an FBI agent. And then they have to do she pursue, and you're Kinda like the. Further illustrating just how corrupt and racist some of the officers are. Getting Ready to. Physically beat a man. They weren't even CH-. Weren't sure was the suspect. And be didn't go through any sort of kind of pulling poll of. Asking questions figuring stuff out before they decided to get physical. It was a microcosm right there and while I'm watching this video as a Muslim thing on now, here's another Guy GonNa beaten down, and another one is depressing videos on when they pull the idea. I said it was like reality hitting the corner three in game six of the twenty thirteen fire, it went from absolute tragedy can. Hello here again. My God yeah I've seen the video and he's Sudanese. You've got that with solidarity. Great. Are you hopeful for basketball? I got like forty five seconds here. I mean I think it's going to happen? That's just asking me yes I. Think Basketball is going to happen I. Just I. Don't know if it's the right decision. To me, it's a safety thing. I just don't know the way they're going about it. And some of the concessions, the League is making the players to be able to go back and forth on campus, and for you know the quarantine would just isolate the guy who who test positive I i. don't know those measures. Are. Nothing I hope that. When we finally do get the details, there's better kind of safeguard to get those action. I mean thanks for stopping by man. Stay safe. Stay healthy. We'll talk soon. All right there is. I mean. Thanks to a mean. Thanks to Edwards thanks to David thanks to greg thanks to Laura and more importantly. Thanks to you. Thank you for calling in telling us your stories. Thank you for listening. If! You missed any part of the show. Please subscribe to the Podcast, and you can listen back to just some really powerful stuff and smart stuff, and hopefully we can start uniting. Because, that is what we need to do. As a country, we can fulfill the potential of this country by doing that. I love you. Stay safe. Stay healthy. We'll talk to you tomorrow at ten. 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"This is the Dan Le Batard show with. Two got spot CASS. So we'll get to the important story of the day. How quin Snyder applies lip balm in a moment because it's very aggressive? I'm not making any accusations here here at all but I've seen lip balm applied that way in Miami and it's only from the cocaine again. I am not saying that. That's what's so here here. I'm just saying lip balm applied that Gra lip balm is to be applied gently lip balm is to be applied with touch. But quin Snyder didn't have time for any of that. He just slathered some vaseline on his face and kept it moving. So we'll get to Quin Snyder in a second but before we do that. If you're listening to the show last week you know we had a great deal of fun at all the hyperventilation surrounding myles Garrett and then the noise came down and everyone relax a little bit and the news stream arrived with news stories and yesterday myles Garrett is commonly going into into a plead. His case in saying look precedent is not what you guys have done to me here. precedent on this kind of crime usually gets three games. But but if you've watched the steelers play this year you know what I'm about to say is true Mason. Rudolph is a little slow so it took him six six damn days to prepare this meandering statement of falling on the cross like he's also bashed in the head with a helmet so yes any any also at attorneys seeking a lawsuit once they told them there was no possible angle here then he came up with whatever he came up with and lastly he didn't come up with this. Okay Okay yes but let's before we go down this path. Okay because we're always laughing at the hypersensitive around here we're always laughing at overreactions. Actions Mason. Rudolph is in a job that he does not belong in. Okay he's in over his head. He is the face of a team because rothlisburger bloated loaded faces out and he's not very good. Whatever the steelers will do this year will be done in spite of him and so he gets into the fight and then after the game? You don't want to wait and see a little bit. You gotta wait it out. You think he's going to be great. Is that moments. I mean entering that Thursday night game people were talking about how he was actually playing. Well look look at that touchdown interception ratio now granted I watched Mason Rudolph and I was never impressed but the numbers were there and they were a winning team entering Thursday night football. They're winning team because MINKAH. It's Patrick has won them a couple of games with turnovers that he's taken for touchdowns but regardless. Okay maybe you like Mason Rudolph more than I like Mason. Rudolph prospects prospects Dan. He has twelve touchdowns and eight interceptions four of which came in that Thursday night. And he's in the top thirty two and Qbr every damned guy in the league top thirty ready to though every damn guy in the league that starts at quarterback you guys you guys ran Cam Newton out of the League for Kyle and and then you're then last Sunday you're like oops never mind out for the year and the to do prior to the last game kyle has been fine so regardless of what you think of Mason Rudolph prospects. He is learning to put on this whole face of of a franchise thing but the time he gave you honesty. And you rarely get it from the quarterbacks because they're concealed and they don't show you their emotion in the press conferences. He gave you honesty after that game when he was calling myles Garrett a coward and calling him Bush League and giving you the hissing sound because of how frustrated he was because he was terrible at the end into that game was third and twenty nine he was getting hit again and he was just frustrated by everything that happened in that game. And he did some of the stuff that that created myles Garrett Eric behaving like a buffoon but here is Mason Rudolph and explain this to me. Six Damn days later he decides. Okay I'M GONNA do the prepared statement type of thing Thursday night to say the least. It was an unfortunate situation for everyone involved. I consider it a privilege on a right to be part of the NFL. To be part of a first class is ation representing the Rooney family. The steelers and And I felt sure that expectation last Thursday night on the final. Play the game with the game in hand. The way it was it had been we already lost two of our players to targeting penalize as I released the ball I took a late. Shot did not agree with the way he then took me to the ground and my natural reaction to get him off from on top of me and again I should have done a better job handling that situation. No ill will towards myles Garrett great respect for his abilities abilities player you know if miles could go back you handle the situation differently. US for my involvement. Last week there's acceptable. Excuse the bottom line is I should have done a better the job keeping my composure. In that situation and fall short of what I believe it means to be a Pittsburgh steeler a member of the NFL definitely didn't say anything. That's like I. I said I got to do a better job. Keep my composure situations. And I think it's an unfortunate situation for for both teams so it's official. All the fun has been taken out of that. That story great acoustics fantastic. You can hear the paper blowing an AC. But he was reading from. I'm not sure was in that clip. But he also mentioned when he was speaking into the media that it was a game in which we're too late hits and then he was pressed on that wait. Are you trying to explain your actions by saying it had something to do with the hits Ed had no. This was an isolated incident and had nothing to do with that prepared statement made stirred mention. Hey there was a dude bleeding from the ear. He went into straight janitorial boring quarterback mode. He he invoked the name of the. Rooney's he he took one of the greatest cards that you have to pull one in the middle of NFL crisis it. It is a privilege to play in this league. It is an honor and a privilege to get my head concussed by a rage filled. Man's helmet because I get to play in this league league for the mighty Pittsburgh Football steeler if anyone knows privilege. It's him Dan. That's not what it means to be. Pittsburgh steeler really. Are you familiar with this. Brand of football The the team of James Harrison. This is what it means to be a Pittsburgh steeler it's kind of weird though listening to espn daily and they did a whole episode myles Garrett the timing on that worked out pretty well for Myles Gary because I in imports it seems as always exonerating myles Garrett and saying yeah I know he's sorry and he's really not pouring gasoline on what could be you know what Myles Garrett has ultimate ultimate. You already did that back when he was being honest. Before the Football Rooney's got a hold of them inscribed him down and told him to get back out there and we'll get some other clown to play quarterback floors and go five and five. He already gave you the honesty and then they beat it out of him. Call the moment Bush League and everything else and now six days later with six days to think about it I should do better. You're so right right about the privileged part of it that is. It's like an ace. It's the go-to that's in the rudy. That's it I would go in front of goodell anytime I got the any kind of trouble and just open before. Hello with. It's a privilege to play in the NFL. Not a right. It's not a right. It's a privilege if they get captured said that one line he'd be back in the NFL. It'd be starting said everything else. Just that one one line. Yes it's a privilege to kneel in front of this flag in the NFL turns to got sorry. ESPN radio is presented. I was swift water. And I'm texted. Jj Watt Espn Radio is presented by progressive insurance quote by save on Home Insurance with progressive. homequote explorer Texan. JJ WATT JJ has a new number set up where you can text them directly now. I did so I sent them attacks and I have to go through. Oh wait hold on Jayjay text message back exciting. Just put your coat on television to get through the whole so he has a new line set. Adopt them directly and he takes you back now. I had to fill out a bunch of paperwork after I sent the original tax. But I am telling. 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Why Billion Roy we're talking about Disneyworld why Roy who has a child feels like he knows how to do disneyworld world but billy who does not have a child thinks that Roy is doing disneyworld all wrong. Oh well I'm taking clearer to Disney world for the first time ever. I'm very excited about it and clear. Apparently because he picked up her Minnie mouse don when we left the house today. So apparently I don't know how to do to so billy huge rook here. Make sure to put him in the car. I Yes yes billy well. Here's the thing. Roy is way behind on this trip to Disneyworld. Ooh Way behind on this trip to Disneyworld Stugotz. You like Disney. Also you know how this is done Royce taking off tomorrow night to put his business out there and he will be headed out to Disneyworld tomorrow Saturday and Sunday I believe. Now here's a thing. He's got zero. In fact I think twice before giving us the thing get Outta here just goes Wah born five minutes away from the good part I mean and you might as well just sit there until the music dome in an hour. When you get to update us on the MAS- Singer we have delayed penalties because I feel like the opposing team was in control the possession of the puck and then when the penalty us? You didn't clear it so what you think. You should go back to the microphone and finish his his point. He's GonNa just say here's the thing ten more time without telling you. What the thing is this whole Disney thing was about? I kind of know where he was going. Here's the thing. I set up any of his fast passes yet. This is something you can do. I think thirty days in advance. It's a little less for employees but you can set this thing up. Roy's missed out on all the good fast passes you know the I think all you got a available now is Dumbo. I mean not that you don't WanNa go and double double the longer you wait. That's available to you. Do these things like three weeks out. You really they do they give me a buffer one week night through. We don't know if you read the friend. Aren't there well. Maybe it's just the APP because how old is now. He's turning to next week. Thursday thanksgiving the perfect age for dizzy is at the right age. What is the perfect age? I was just going to ask. What is the perfect age because you whoa? She's not going to remember any of this. But this is not what this is four. Okay E. take him for the pictures for the memory so you so they know when they get older that you love them all right you show them pictures this is you with Mickey. Oh Oh you gotta do proves it proves that I loved you along time ago as opposed to now when you're just a source of a Roy you gotta go to a character breakfast. I'm telling you to do it. The best asked. I recommend the May miss may one. Where is it? I'll figure it out the same thing. Then the character breakfast offals. It looks like Mickey Mouse. They really grab like all the Maple Syrup and also the breakfast pizza. Oh I wasn't aware of breakfast pizza honestly. I went into a character brought by the Bacon. Cheese it's fantastic. I you never know. Every kid is different. What the right age is because I thought two or three was the right age? I I took my kids up there and do the character breakfast and to the park it was scared of the characters terrified. That's why I'm worried about. I waited about you. Do you get that picture sheriff doorbell crying. It's perfect and telling you. And what would the way my kid didn't. She loves him from afar. She was just looking around. Look there's goofy. There's and then they come over to the table all terrified. Also Roy Cape May at the Disney Beach Club resort goofy is a fan of the show. I got a note from Google. Put It on the poll role. Chris while billy is out here at Lebatardshow. The two year old at the character breakfast at Disney. Happy or terrify. I don't think I figured it out because kids are so used to seeing a cartoons. They're not used to seeing mickey mouse as like some seven foot tall. That's correct right right. They I think adults would be scared of that. You remember the first Disney character. That made you cry. uh-huh your parents related. I actually have vivid memories of the first Disney character. That made me cry. It was Gideon From Pinocchio. Do It I was twenty seven. Yeah what are we GONNA do about. Billy's inefficiencies what. Are we going to do you. Guys think I was too hard on him. Too Hard on the quick trigger there in Gen he does ramble ramble but he was sitting at sweet spot there. Yeah sometimes we get such great payoff. It has its rewards now. It's not like the most efficient thing I understand but you gotta let them fail at least a couple of times before you give them the hook his enthusiasm match with Roy's indifference. It's a great. It's a great combination. I could do without the indifference so we. Aw that is so you guys are saying that Roy's greatest issue here is that he hasn't done any of the appropriate planning so he's going to end up in a lot of lines as with a two year old. which sounds like a real nightmare doesn't seem to be gained planning to go to Disney? You've got a game plan. I feel like Roy doesn't even know what park is going to first yet. I'm in the first couple Kalonzo and I hired a guy who took me around and got me on all the rides very very quickly. I mean he knew every place to go When to go where to go out and get to it? Everything and I never waited. A Lot. Worrisome Avid Disney inferno. Yes Roy what are you going to. I see like prove my point here. Bajic Kingdom got a plan. That's good I. Do you realize how obnoxious that sounds. When you say it's got or you don't realize how noxious it sounds? I do realize it and I said it anyway. Yeah So you got a guy who helps you around Disneyworld it. It's a regular thing. I'm telling you it wasn't that expensive. And it was very very helpful. And then he gives you like a map like a roadmap after was you never have. It's not a great business. Plan that saddest thing a whole lot of wanting ness how much you. Daniela VIP life to write. I just don't throw it in everybody's face. It was a great investment because he gave me the road map and then every time I went back I knew exactly what to do at the higher him again so I mean not a great business plan but I took advantage of it. Well your concept of things. Being expensive is completely different from me. And I don't have the disposable income to be higher in Disney inferno but you can plan and get fast passes beforehand. So you're going you're leaving now. You're leaving this weekend. I'm leaving after the show and so you have nothing in the way of of Prep beyond I'm going to the magic kingdom. Your your plan is to get to the castle and then and then wing it from their plans to show up as usual all right. Well you gotTa have have more enthusiasm about this or are you going to skip at any point. You GotTa skip at some point in Disney. You can't skipping skip. Do you have to imagine kingdom. I think right when you walk as you just so happy so happy you just skip together as a family. It's on my face right now. On completely enthused at the in fact I don't go into all areas. Nothing better than just strolling down main street that first time getting in their Roy. It's so clean. I don't understand how they keep that place decide clean. It's probably GonNa well actually mutant cats his. Oh yeah you haven't heard about this. Oh you never seen outside of Mickey Mouse. You've never seen any sort of rodents right you know. Why mutant cats? When all the people leave the park? That's one they unleash. The mutant cats. It is absolutely absolutely right. They have a special breed of CR serial killing cat. That goes out there and make sure your park. Experience is wrote in free three outside. Of course Mickey who's the king an after hours. After hours. They unleash a bunch of cats. Two hundred cats to be exact two hundred heard cats and they just let them run all over all over the park on a killing spree so somebody has to get up early in the morning Disney and just sort of pick up a bunch of dead rats the Google Disney cats. That's stretching for some at advance auto part when the sun goes down. Your headlights will illuminate the path in front of you. You know you need to get the fast passes before are you go Roy. Have you gotten the fast yet. No I haven't rookie. I'll be back soon. Don't go nuts the seven minute major you left you left and left for seven minutes for me. No one knows the the lyrics. It's like Jello a the way and uh-huh things to God's man no to eh they don't Stu gods here for butcher box something. I look forward to every month. Is My shipment from butcher box. 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I got him in a tenth of the price. Penny got him discount on it. Like what do you think you're watching. A. Quit trying to make it. Pure pure pure things are not. FBI WIRETAP Tucker thinks they're getting an Education Geisha understand. Why why do you insist on hoping and praying that this thing is pure when everyone is his shooting in the cheating is so commonplace that they don't understand? Why the wiretaps it they're like? What do you mean this is how we've done business for decades? We take. Thank the sneaker money you know what's going to happen with Weisman kids some other boosters. Some other sneaker Jenner. Some somebody's GonNa give him eleven thousand five hundred dollars. They'll be better at covering up the the paperwork. Next Time Jay Williams actually setup a gofundme me to help collect the eleven thousand and change to pay. He doesn't mean that he's GonNa make all all of us in a few years. I must have gone to. Why do you need to feel like something that is pure than it actually holy is? Why do you want to intentionally deceive yourself into thinking that it has some sort of purity? I mean a new asset as if no one why would anyone see the good in that because it feels good especially come march. I know but you prefer to lie to yourself. Yeah you prefer to divider yourself about everything in life why wouldn't I condemn university. Like coach K's choice was believe in academia are just go one in duns like everybody everybody else lose to the one and done by trying to stick to your principles right or forgo your principles and compete with everybody but Mike is Right right like come march madness. Okay you want to think that these kids are doing it for the love of the game and that is it. There's a purity to march madness that I'd like to hold onto so I just just push all that stuff aside even though I know it I pushed aside and pretend they're doing it for free. You say that there's a purity to march madness. It's the most impure thing all all. The adults are making a ton of money off of March madness. The kids are making a ton of money. But only through the illicit routes that they choose who's to partake in because they have to sneak around this dumb system that their love it and do well on your finals kids because it's around the same time I just I wonder at what point like. What do I have to do beyond like I thought the whole Dave Bliss stuff at at Baylor would be enough to convince people you know the the idea that there was murder going on in a program? I thought that that would be enough to convince people the issue that you have. There is not one of purity nope and murdered it and do it. What what what would it have to be the history for Baylor Academic Search Sir? What do I have to make it to convince Tucker Martin that this thing that he's pure lost Tucker yes when he came out the womb as Tucker yes breath? Let's be honest. It's not everyone it's just it's Tucker and it's Mason Rudolph. It's a lot of people's I've got a lot of people who want to hang on that. It doesn't doesn't matter how much proof you put in front of him. How much testimony sworn testimony? How many FBI wiretaps it doesn't matter? They WANNA believe in system bar. Yeah but but they're hanging on for the most part. This is an older viewpoint. We just gotTa wait this thing out for like fifteen years and then everyone's GonNa be like minded by then they'll surely be paid right right. I want somebody I just long for the days of Jerry Tarr Canaan when somebody was willing to be just a renegade aide mercenary. That told everyone to bleep off and at every turn pointed out the hypocrisies of the NCAA. We don't have like who. What's what's the closest thing we've had to Jerry? Arcane Ian since Jerry Tarr caning at ten Tarquini and in amateur sports because most of the people governing amateurism tourism protect the mythology of amateurism. Right isn't a Calipari. I mean well. Maybe it's tiny but Kalibari. Kelly Kalahari Is He's doing it mercenary style. But he's clean like nobody believes that that's about education. Nobody believes that what Cala L. A. Party is doing has anything to do with education. And yet what we're wrapping the system by in the thing that makes us feel okay about not paying. The players is said education that they have an option to get if they wish to but usually not the time and often not the interest as they treat it like a d league. A Glorified D. League where with Frat parties and and you know an occasional campus bar at this point you're going into Kentucky because you WanNa play in the NBA. There might be some other schools and programs where you're going and not everyone is good and they are there for the education that has value. But you go into Kentucky to make it to the guys guys. What is college? Prepare you for in general. What what are you go to universities for to prepare you for the next phase to prepare you for your career? Who does that better than John Calipari? If anything. He's the best professor got at that university. And so why do we have to make it. When we make these guys a professional mercenary like John? California should have been in the expendable ables should have put him in that movie and suit he should have been wandering around there with all the old guys at the end of the women's done making those right through all the Action Chin Stars them an elastic. And they're done with it right. It's him it's Arcadian. I feel like you should be in there. Like he's He's the highest paid employees at the university. One would assume by leaps and bounds. He is the reason that people talk about your school. There is no other the reason for people to talk about Kentucky. He is a propaganda machine as a mercenary assassin. Why not in brace sort of the sleaziness that comes with that throughout the sport now expendable is for does have an IMDB? It's long since been rumored but it's it seems to be stuck in development however I'm Debbie Lissa plot is unknown and that's not a departure from the previous three so tell me who was in the third one. And how do you do this with the fourth one like I tell me giving the list of names because they just threw a hodgepodge gumbo of mercenaries it was every action star. WHO's ever existed around wasn't one? Would Vive playing the villain. who was named Elaine? Was that you so three head. Stallone state them Harrison Ford Schwarzenegger Mel Gibson. Wesley Snipes Dolph Lundgren Randy Couture Terry crews Kelsey grammer. Who really wasn't on choice? Secret Tony Bandera Victor Ortiz. Remember Him Ronda. Rousey jet Li and as pretty much ed so it doesn't say anything does the the expendable. IMDB give you any sort of hints. They'll get the rock right L.. Stop Him from rocks way. Too Hot stood up. Yeah you need need someone. That's fallen off honestly with salone and him throwing hgh containers off of a balcony Australia. I think he's good for another twenty years with these. Can you guys please help me with this though. I'm really legitimately confused as to how Kelsey grammer ended up in that movie. I have to look it up but he he took over for somebody else. That was an action guy and then they were in a in a panic. So they got frazier from cheers. How many allow me a motive for someone? Allow me a moment. I will tell you. Exactly how Kelsey grammer ended up in the expense. Okay please in fact go ahead and give me this ad to read and I would love love to have an answer here before the end