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"quay walker" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"In fact, I actually sold the whole NFC North. So I really cornered the market there. Minnesota is going to have to score a lot of points because that defense is not going to stop a whole lot of people. I love Brian Flores as a defensive coordinator. I think he's an excellent hire. He's going to be a huge upgrade over at Donatell. They just don't have the talent defensively. There's just no two ways around it. I like Makai Blackley as a third round pick out of USC. I think, you know, he's an undersized corner, but I like his game. He's feisty. He's physical. You got Harrison Smith, you have Danielle Hunter and after that, it's a whole lot of like, eh, good luck. You're going to have to stop some things. Now, now the good news is from Minnesota, Green Bay has, even though they have many returning players, really it's a new offense, which we all love. And the Bears, do you believe in the Bears offensively? I'll say this from my camp tour. I saw the whole NFC North. I saw the, the Browns, the Bengals, the Colts, the Chiefs, and the Giants. Giants, again, that joint practice. The Bears offense, I think it's going to be a work in progress. I love Justin Field's talent, but, and there were a handful of times in seven on sevens and 11 on 11s, like he wouldn't throw the ball and he would wait and he'd hitch and then the hitch again, then he'd throw it. Those are hospital balls in the NFL. Like if, if you wait an extra beat or two to throw the ball to your receiver, that guy's getting killed coming across the middle. I don't know how much I believe in the Bears this year. I think they're better. How much better? I don't know. The Packers, I've seen twice now. I saw them in OTAs and I saw them at training camp. I think love is just going to be inconsistent. I think there's going to be some games he plays really well and there's going to be other games where it's, where it's, it's rough. You know, he makes some throws you're really impressed by. And then at other times he'll miss a really easy throw. And I think that's, frankly, a lot of rust. He hasn't played that much in the last 10 full years. So I think the Packers are a little better than people think they are, but I think they're probably around a 500 team. Minnesota, if you like points, Minnesota's a team for you. There's going to be a lot of 31-27 games with the Vikings. I think they're going to score points, going to give up points, but this is all a prelude though to say, I got to tell you, the Lions looked really good at training camp. Now, it's training camp and that's cool. I understand that. It's not, you know, it's not week 10, but the Lions last year started one and six. They finished eight and two. They played really well down the stretch. They had that game in week 18 where it meant nothing for them in terms of the playoffs. And if the Packers won, they were in the playoffs and that game is a nationally televised game at Lambeau. Lions go up there and beat them. I think the Lions are the best team in that division. I think they are a 10-11 win team. I do not think they're going to win the Super Bowl. I'm not saying that, but I think Dan Campbell's got them going in the right direction. I love the assistant coaches, the coordinators in particular with Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. Jameer Gibbs looked great the day I was there. I kind of cringe at that pick. Number 12 overall for a back for the Lions. It seemed like a little bit of a luxury pick, but he looked excellent. They're high on Sam LaPorta, their second round tight end. I don't know how you feel about the division, but I think Detroit is going to live up to the hype. And by the way, when the NFC North for the first time in North back in 2002. Matt, I'm glad you brought up the NFC North. And this might be the first time we disagree on this pilot episode of the MMQV podcast between you and I here because it's might be like the worst kind of supporting statement here. But as we know in the NFL, there's always five teams that just get to the playoffs out of nowhere. And I'm in that mode where I got to find five teams that make the playoffs. They were not on our radar a year ago, the Jaguar or something a year ago. With the AFC is so hard for me because I feel like all those teams are going to be very good that I don't really see a surprise. I find myself in the NFC trying to find a surprise team and I keep going to green Bay. Like I really like Jordan loves potential, his strong arm mobility. And that game that I saw him fill in for Aaron Rogers in Philadelphia on Sunday Night Football. It's like throwing some big time throws and you're right. It's going to be a lot of ups and downs and mistakes that first year. I'm not saying it's Patrick Mahone's where like, oh, like he was quick out of the gate to meet that potential. But there is that mobility. That's that arm strength. We're like, okay, I like that. Like today's NFL, you want to have the Justin Herbert arm. You want to have the Josh Allen. So I keep going to the Packers and then I keep seeing that defense. I'm like, why was that defense bad a year ago? Like you got a very good cornerback. You know, you drafted a Luca Vanessa first round to go over Sean Gare. You have cornerbacks. You have edge rushers. You got linebackers who drafted a bunch of Georgia guys. Like it just be the year that the Packers even puts it together and you still have Aaron Jones. Christian Watson looks like a stud wide receiver. Second year guy, you know, the drafted two tight ends in the first, not in the first round, but in the draft. So if it comes together, why not the Packers and Matt Lefler has been, has been a good coach in this league. We don't know about Matt Lefler without Aaron Rogers. That's going to be a big question, but he's been around now with the lines. It's kind of like that, that, that charger is, you know, it's not a real kind of supporting statement, but it's like, and same thing with the Cowboys. Like show me something already, like a lines, like you have not won the division in three decades. I was like three years old when you last wanted a various handles in the league in Russian. So this is just kind of like one of those things. Like you might not meet the hype team, but I do like the lines. Like if on paper, they are way above the class here, but if you see them in person, Matt, I might be changing my mind now of saying how they, how good they look. You know what the Packers are fascinating because of all the teams. And again, they're the only team I saw twice. Cause I was up there in May as well. Like I'm with you defensively. They have a ton of talent. Okay. You're talking to top five corner and Jair Alexander, right? Stokes when he's healthy, he's a former first round pick. And one of those Georgia guys you mentioned, they got Devontae Wyatt and Trey Walker, Quay Walker sheet, Quay Walker, who are also Georgia guys. Georgia, by the way, might have enough defenders soon to stack an entire 53 man roster, but they have Devontae Campbell in the middle, Kenny Clark up front. They have guys everywhere. The problem that I have with their defense is who the coordinator is. Joe battery plays this off, just soft sagging zone. To me, it doesn't fit who their personality should be defensively. It was just to attack. Like they have so much talent, just go after teams, be aggressive. I understand why some of these teams with lesser personnel just go, look, we're going to play a shell coverage and we're going to just try to keep everything in front of us and make teams drive 12 plays. If I'm the Packers, I'm just going after people. Now, interestingly enough in Minnesota, Brian Flores, when he was a coach in Miami, they blitzed like crazy. Okay. I expect that Minnesota is going to do the same. When I was there, they were blitzing quite a bit during some of their team periods. I think Flores is just looking at this and going, if we're going to give up points, we're going down swinging. I'm bringing everybody. We're going to blitz 13 guys every play. Now we're just going to hope that we can force a few mistakes and that's fine. They'll live by the blitz and they'll die by the blitz a little bit.
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"quay walker" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"And welcome to the MM QB NFL podcast on Gary bramley. And I'm Connor rohrer. In Connor, we are starting with this packers eagle Sunday Night game. Where I feel like the least interesting development was the final score and the fact that the packers held off or excuse me the eagles out of the packers. And there's just so much more to talk about with the near and long-term future of the Green Bay Packers. Jordan love came in Gary and was spicy. And I think the best throw that he made was incomplete, but he threw an absolute back shoulder rocket to Aaron Jones that went right through his hands. He was almost perfect in this game and obviously very small sample size. But against a pretty good defense borderline, great defense. And you're sitting there thinking, man, what would have happened if Aaron Rodgers was healthy all season? And are these assembled weapons actually kind of good? Is this team actually okay? I don't know, Gary. I'm more confused than when I started the day than no, I'm more confused now at the end of the day than when I was at the start. And that's saying a lot. There you go. Look, the weapons are coming together nicely. Christian Watson and another long touchdown in this one. The grain of salt you take with Jordan love is you say, okay, well, this is a team that, you know, and you will see that didn't prepare for him. It's also an eagle scene that lost Chauncey Gardner Johnson in the middle of this game, read blankenship, who I liked as a prospect, but no one liked enough to actually draft him out of middle Tennessee. And going in there and playing. So you have some shorthanded secondary. You can't throw a whole lot at Jordan love. Now, I would say the other side of this argument that I'm having with myself is when Jordan love got his loan start last year, you're on the road in Kansas City, the chiefs know you're getting the start, they're prepared for you and see spagnolo just, you know, he can throw a million different things at you to confuse a young quarterback. And that was an extremely tall order at that point for that packer scene, but look, he went out there, he felt loose. I mean, like you said, that cover two hole shot to Aaron Jones that should have been caught. That was a really impressive throw. His ball placement was a little bit off, but not drastically off. Like I thought he was, it was fine. The one that he threw, I think it was a little bit behind lazard in the middle of the field. I thought, I thought it was. He was not leading Allen lazard into his impending death by putting it in front of him. Nice safe throwing window. He utilized it. There were also a couple plays where he moved around in the pocket, and if you're not in that sort of clock saving mode, you could take off and he probably could have run for, you know, ten, 12 yards and a couple of these plays here. Yeah, boy, we'll get to some of these scenarios later, but trade him to the Broncos, man. Or something. Let's save them. Let's help them out. Who we got going on down there, but seriously, I don't know how I'm not interested in the packers moving forward this season. Unless we see an extended period of Jordan love, because I think it makes all the sense in the world. Rogers, there's the report today, which is one of my favorite things in NFL media, Gary, which I believe all these guys, but it's always the report that the injury is much worse than you realized. And it's like a time honored tradition now. It comes in the end of November beginning in December, X injury that important player is dealing with is way worse than you can imagine. So he's got the thumb injury now. He's got the rib injury. Just sit you're out. You're out of the playoffs. You're done. Give Jordan love the month of December to make this complicated or to boost his trade value because you're not getting rid of Aaron Rodgers at this point. He basically owns the team. And so I don't know, do something for yourself here, you know? I mean, I would imagine that would come from like Rogers camp, you know, the thumb injury. He actually he's been playing without a thumb for like three weeks. They've just been CGI. On the broadcast here, as they did. I think this kind of gives him an opportunity to kind of be like, you know what? I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna play out the string for a team that again, they're four and 8 now. They're not mathematically eliminated, but this is, you know, and yeah, I mean, they could get to 9 and 8, sure. Like, they're a good team, but I don't know if it really makes sense to try and make this run at this point. Because and we've talked about it a couple of times this year. We expected maybe a bit of not quite as rocky a road as it's been for the packers offense. But, you know, it wasn't going to be what it was with the Monte Adams last year. We thought the defense would be pretty good. The defense is not very good. They have injury issues of their own, but man, Kenny Clark, who is maybe my favorite defensive line in the NFL. He got kind of manhandled tonight. The linebackers without divinity Campbell, they just quay walker is going to be a fine player. He was not up to the task tonight. It was, what are the final numbers here? 7000 rushing yards for the game. No, 360 three, and you always kind of, when you look at the eagles rushing numbers, you have to keep in mind some of these are Jalen hurts scrambles, which kind of inflate things. But a lot of these were not Jalen hurt scrambles. So you were just dudes running through tackles again and again and again. Yeah, they thought that the final, the field goal drive was one of the more commanding when they basically put the game out of reach. That was one of the more commanding drives where it just felt very automatic to me and whether it was Jalen or whether it was Boston Scott or whoever they're going to throw in there. When they have a day where they're groovin and man, they gotta keep Kelsey and all these guys. They have to stay healthy. But if they have, if they have a game where they're grooving, it's over. And I don't know how you stop that. I think offensive line play is so rhythm based because it's really 5 guys moving as one unit and some games you're gonna have great games, some games you're not, but holy smokes. If you could get that kind of push, I mean, that's a Super Bowl caliber team right there. Yeah. And look, another turnover in this game, but just it's just a total fluke turnover. It's AJ Brown trying to make something on a third and long, and ends up losing a fumble. You know, again, they were not gonna go plus two every game from here on out, but that turnover luck has turned against them, and it really hasn't really has an affected them. All that much. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. I'm excited. Gary, we got some packers drama. We have the eagles flying. And we got a really great show. That's what we do. We had exciting games, we had some really defensive, the prideful day for defense across the NFL, I would say. And also just some very sad and quarterbacking that we can kind of point and laugh at. When the world gets in the way of your music, try the new Bose quiet comfort earbuds too. Next gen earbuds uniquely tuned to the shape of your ears. They use exclusive Bose technology that personalizes the audio performance to fit you. Delivering the world's best noise cancellation and powerfully immersive sound. So you can hear and feel every detail of the music you love. Bose quiet comfort earbuds two.
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Not one of those guys pans out, maybe two. They're all kind of coin flips, but you know, you take as many shots at as you can. They clearly think McGraw is the best of the three, but I've said this since the drive. I said this before the draft. I don't think inside linebackers as big of a need. I think it's certainly an area that could have improved, but they should be okay. You know, relatively speaking, I think when you look at their defense cornerback still a bigger issue, I actually think linebacker has there's some upside there. There's really some upside there if those guys kind of figure it out and stay healthy. The way it looks like and this is probably a pretty good segue into what we're going to do for the second half of the show. The way it feels is that they actually took Kim a grown at some point in time. They're evaluation of him coming out of Michigan and also what they've learned about him in the last year. And put him in the stack, right? Instead, camera grown or Christian Harris. Cam McGraw or quay walker, Cameron, you know what I mean? And actually did that exercise. It went down the line. And I think they came out of it saying, came a grown. Like, we actually like camera growing a little bit better than some of these guys. They could have had on day two. Like, later on, date, do you like somebody like Darien beavers or someone like Chad mummer or along those lines? They came out saying that they feel like they have the guy already in that vein. That developmental young fast new age type of linebacker, I think they felt like they didn't have to draft it because they already had it in the building. It's just been a little bit more behind the scenes than what we have been able to see. So I'll pull up the depth chart here and get into the defensive side of the ball. A couple of things that have changed a little bit over the last couple of days with some releases and things like that. But this is the full roster now. I also put specialists on here as well, but we can get to those at the end. Let's start left to right. Let's move right across and I want to start with the defensive line. And the number one guy, I think that, you know, we're talking so much about new additions, Alex, or a red shirt, guys like cam agron. How big is Christian barmore development? Because if there's a dude on this defense and what I mean by a dude is I mean like an elite all pro level player on this defense. It's Christian barmore. Like he's the guy that has that potential to reach that level. So I actually think that we're and I get it, you know, there's not much to talk about right now with Christian barmore, but his development and hopefully him taking that next step forward into a really Pro Bowl all pro caliber defensive lineman. That would be massive for this defense that absolutely needs him to be a game record. Yeah, especially because they lost a key piece up front Kyle van noy,.
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"quay walker" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"Absolutely. And I think any discussion on this draft, you know, you got to start with the trade down. So let's talk about that for a second. So they're at 21 overall. We know that they had an offer for a third and a fourth round pick. 94 and one 21. I was just trying to figure out what those picks, I think one of them turned into one 21 was Jack Jones. The cornerback. And then the other trade down. I'm trying to figure it out. Oh, so they got a 2023 third round pick and one 37 would be sappy. Bailey zappy. Okay. So on the clock, you're on the clock with the Patriots, and I went over this and if anybody's curious, I did, I did an alternate universe what I would have done on the clock if I was the Patriots with what was on the board. And including, do I trade down or not? Because I think that's the key first decision on the board. Cornerback Trent Duffy, who the chiefs traded up and picked in your spot. Quay walker, cornerback per year, elam, offensive tackle Tyler Smith, edged Jermaine Johnson, linebacker Devin Lloyd. Tough decision. I mean, I think, you know, going into the draft, we talked about mcduffie walker, elam, Johnson, we thought would be gone by Annapolis. Take them out of the equation because I don't think he's quite a scheme fit for the Patriots. He's more of a run up the field type of edge guy. And of course, Devin Lloyd, who we talked about a lot over the course of the draft season. And you're going down 29. You're going down 8, 8 spots. So, you know, the chances are none of those guys are going to be on the board if you come up and pick again at 29. Chances are they're all going to be gone. At the end of the day, I chose to pick and stick, I chose, I wanted Devin Lloyd. Nick, I did, but I thought the Patriots painted themselves probably from their own doing into a corner at linebacker by resigning juwan Bentley to a contract extension..
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"For a solid chunk of his of his senior season high school, he was the number one recruit in his class. Yeah. And Jack Jones sound I don't think he was number one, but again, it's the same thing where he's a 5 star recruit and obviously that potential wasn't recognized USC in the Arizona state, but the Patriots see that and say, well, there's something here. There's clearly something here. Can we tap into maybe what that detour, the year off juco, that might have put him off the track? Can we put him back on the track? I think that's the thought process here. Again, and I feel this way with a lot of the picks. They made throughout the three days. The NFL drafts about adding good players. They added good players. The questions for me are more about the guys they did not, you know, somebody at the chat brought up collusion here. I look at this point in the draft, whether it's Jalen or morte Davis, whether it's McCollum, whether it's Tariq woolen, right? To me, it's about, you know, there's going to be this draft is the potential to have a lot of revisionist history. I think Jack Jones can play. It's just did they take, I think they took a guy, it's just that they take the right guy. Yeah, we're going to be playing that game, I think, with this draft, like you said, for pretty much every pick that they made. I would say with Cole strange is not necessarily comparing him to players at his position. It's just comparing him to players that went in there and hit daxton hill is going to be the one. Right, daxton hill went after him, quay walker went to pick after the Patriots original Duffy went with the pick the Patriots traded to Kansas City. Kair elam went to buffalo a few picks after quay walker. So those are going to be the guys that you're going to say, okay, well, you had in this ten pick range. We had all this defensive talent and we took the guard. It's not so much about Cole strange. It's not so much even about the guard position. It's just really more about who they could have taken. With taekwon Thornton in the second round, sky Moore, George pickens Alec pierce. They all went in that ten to 15 pick range. So we'll see. For better or worse, that's what these guys are up against. They're up against comparing the guys that at their position specifically in most cases, the guys that went around them and the guys that were clustered around them on the board. All right, let's move on to the running back that the Patriots selected in the fourth round, one 27 Pierre strong from South Dakota state..
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"quay walker" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"And the saints hop up and get Chris olave at 11, which we did sort of the thought experiment during the mock draft series if they take a trail on Burks or Drake London or someone like that, that probably means they are ready to move on for Michael Thomas. Chris saleve seems like more of a compliment to Michael Thomas. Yeah, and that was speaking of player tweets. I mean, Michael Thomas applauded the initial saints trade with the eagles. And so maybe he perhaps he knew something that we didn't. All those Ohio State guys just talk to each other all the time, you know? Whether it was Chris O'Leary for Michael Thomas or Albert breer, you know, they all just, they all just gossip, you know? It's all hanging out and Albert's basement probably. Watching the draft in his rumpus room, perhaps. The Lions jump up to 12 to take Jameson Williams. I thought they, I thought this trade was really good for a couple of reasons. One, they didn't give up a ton to come up 20 spots. And on top of that, look, they want to sort of open up this passing game a little bit. If you want to see if Jared Goff is the guy or not, he probably isn't. But, you know, you want to give him a shot. Jared Goff had been in a highly schemed offense in LA. I think he was a little too conservative when he arrived in Detroit last year, but he sort of shook that off as the year went on. Well, now you got some big play weapons for him. Jameson Williams is one of them. Obviously they brought in DJ shark to go along with amanra saint Brown. That's a really good trio there and Jared Goff gets to show if he can once again establish himself as a franchise quarterback. Yeah, and to backtrack for a second, we totally botched the Chris olave pronunciation on our last show, but so did whoever announced the pick in the draft this year. Yeah, they said olave this year on TV. Like I did. But just letting everybody else. But so a couple of interesting things about the Lions pick. First of all, spent the whole combine hearing a lot of people rave about quasi, adolfo mensa, the Vikings, new general manager. This was a weird deal, right? The Vikings traded their first and second round picks, so 12 and 46 to the Lions for their first second and third. So 32 34 66. I mean, in a draft where it seems like the fall off was 16 or 17 in terms of talent. I think you gave up a lot and really didn't get a whole bunch in return. Yeah, it was a bit of a head scratcher, but everyone's bored is different if you thought the strength was, I don't know, 32 to 50, maybe it makes some sense. Maybe, yeah, maybe you feel like you need a couple more guys there, but the Vikings seem like, I mean, this is not a team that can just, you know, they're not like the chiefs where they can just hen peck around the edges here and just like pick up guys who fall to them. I mean, they need a lot of help on both sides of the ball. So I thought that was a little bit surprising, but jamison Williams to the lines. I mean, if I were Jameson Williams, probably wouldn't be that thrilled, but if I were Dan Campbell, I would be because this is such an organizational vote of confidence in you. Like they're treating you the way Brad Holmes is treating you the way that less need has treated Sean mcvay, which is pretty incredible. The commanders who had moved down from 11 to 16 end up taking John dotson out of Penn State and it's a nice pick. You get the sort of the speedy deep threat to go along with Terry mclaurin here. This to me was the sign that it was like, uh oh. There's only one left. If you want trail and burkes, you better make a move right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, datsun was like the music playing during your Oscar speech, you know? It was like oh boy. Interesting stylistic compliments, right? I mean, we talk about that a lot on the show, but Curtis Samuel, Terry mclaurin, and datsun, does that fit what Carson Wentz does best? I don't know, do they care that it's what Carson Wentz does best, you know? At this point, I mean, did they kind of view him as a one year solution to their problem anyway? I don't know. But I also didn't think that was their biggest need. I don't know, very curious night for the commanders, I would say. So far. Very curious off season for the commanders, one could see. Yeah. And then obviously trailing Burke's to the Titans at 18 with the pick they got in the AJ Brown trade. Whether you're buying a new car or used one, it's a big investment, which is why you should choose Pennzoil platinum. It helps extend the life of your engine and protect it up to 15 years or 500,000 miles, whichever comes first, guaranteed. That's because Pennsylvania base oil is made from natural gas in 99.5% free from engine clogging impurities. The proof is in the Pennzoil. 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Listen to out of the shadows as part of the microtubule podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to the top of the draft because that's usually important. The Jaguars do indeed go with travon walker here. Later in the first round, they traded back into get Devin Lloyd, the Utah linebacker, versatile guy. So a couple of really versatile defenders joining their nothing on offense though. We do know they address that offensive line to an extent in free agency, but yeah, I don't know. What's your feel on walker this way? I mean, this is, this feels like the riskiest first overall pick in quite a while here. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Would you say, okay, this is going to get clipped and taken out of context. So every four seconds, I'm going to say, don't clip this and take it out of context. In the middle of my sentences. But is this, is this the most potential potential only based? Number one overall picks since JaMarcus Russell. Because you're betting purely on potential with walker, the production wasn't there, you're hoping that what you bring him into can turn him around, turn him into a star. I'm looking at the list of number one overall picks. Trevor Lawrence, Joe burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield miles Garrett Jared Goff, James Winston, Jade and Clowney. Eric Fisher, I think, is different. I've heard 2013 to 2022 comps for the draft. I don't really think that. I mean, I think 2013 was just a bad draft. Andrew Luck Cam Newton Sam Bradford Matt Stafford. Maybe Jake long. From Michigan, maybe Alex Smith, another guy that you'd have to use so correctly. Maybe Courtney Brown. Maybe this was like a Courtney Brown kind of pick, too. It's a little bit, look, you could say it's a little bit clownish as far as the lack of production, but Clowney was just such an off the charts, just physical specimen coming into the draft. It reminded me, at least the news cycle leading up to it, and maybe that's the only comparison you can make here. It reminded me a little bit of 2006 when the Texans had the first overall pick and for months, the conversation was, well, Reggie Bush, but maybe Vince Young and then all of a sudden three nights for the draft. It's, oh, it's Mario Williams. Okay. And then that ended up obviously being the very correct choice. It's a little like that, I guess, but Williams is so much more productive on the collegiate level and also just again in the clowny mold as far as the physical traits go. And walker was probably the best traits guy in this draft, but I don't even think he was at the level of those two guys. I will say this and I think the Devin Lloyd trade up sort of hammered this home as well. Whatever they're planning to do defensively, it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a little bit. Let's just say it's gonna be multiple. That's a really lazy way of putting it. They want guys who can do a lot of different things well is what you're looking at here. I do think Aiden Hutchinson in the end, I think is a wide 9 pass rusher. And that's what he's going to do with the next level. I don't think there's another way you can really use him. Ron walker obviously you can move around a little bit. I know it's kind of a, you know, it's like, well, he rushes on the inside and that's it. Oh, that's all right. You can brush them on the inside. You're fine with that. Get in third down movement inside. There you go. Yeah, I mean, if you had the chance to take Aaron Donald at number one overall in that draft, you might have done it, right? Because that was the that was the other draft that this reminded me of because that was the Khalil Mack Jade young Clowney, Aaron Donald draft, right? And so in Khalil Mack was a little bit like walker and that he kind of really got pushed up the board late and then I remember former boss Peter king actually advocating for him to go number one overall a couple of weeks before the draft and everyone was like, what? You know, like nobody was thinking about Khalil Mack at that point being that kind of guy. But it was a situation where the defensive coordinator that was inheriting him had to use him in the right way. And this, I think, will just forever be the biggest gamble in Trent balke's thought process here, right? Selfishly, you're gonna have to legitimize this pick, but so much of the pick success rests on the ability of a coach who doesn't share your brain, you know? And is he going to be able to use him the way that you're trying to get him used? And is it going to look the same when you're not playing in a defense that just set the record for the most players on one side of the ball being taken in the first round of the NFL Draft? The other storyline in every draft ever held quarterbacks. Number one overall pick in quarterbacks. That should really just go on every podcast outline. Just the one quarterback, just Kenny Pickett going to the sealers at 20, the Steelers don't have to jump up. They just sit back and have their choice of all the guys, and then everyone behind them said, we also don't want a quarterback. So the Steelers take Kenny Pickett guy, they're obviously very familiar with. Even though, I mean, are they going to play with a smaller football this year? Are they going to let them throw like a hockey puck around the field? I don't know how this works. His hands are just too small, Connor. They're going to let him. I actually took one, I took it out of my son's hands like a couple hours ago. We had these little baby footballs. These little rubber baby footballs that you get when you put a quarter into the machine at the grocery store. It's like, oh, they're just gonna look Kenny Pickett Kay with the baby football. Yeah. I also just point out, like, you have a, you have a very young child in the house. She's literally the floor, like choking hazards? Like Connor? Yeah. It was probably a bad idea to buy him like a gumball machine football, but you know, he's swallowed and eaten larger pieces of food, so I'm sure a football had passed in a few days. Fair enough, fair enough. You make it work. But yeah, so old baby hands picket, being the first quarterback off the board here. Here's my thought process on it. If any other team besides the Steelers took him, we would have been like, what on God's greener, especially in the northeast, in an outdoor stadium, we would be like, what a God's green earth is going on. But it's the Steelers. And Kenny Pickett will probably play there for ten years and he'll be pretty good. And that'll be that, you know? I mean, they're just a well run organization. And well run organizations can do with the Steelers did, which is ignore the decline of your quarterback for far too long, and then just sit there 20 and just be like, you know, whatever, whatever happens happens, we'll take canny picket if he's there, if nope will take somebody else and we'll make them good. So we touch on the jets here. Really nice night sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, who, if you're not gonna get deebo Samuel, it's kinda like Garrett Wilson, is your next best bet here if you're the jets. And then obviously they come back in the first round, get Jermaine Johnson. A guy who, I mean, look at a lot of people thought he was a top half of the first round lock and he ends up sort of sliding down. I do want to talk about the giant draft, which, you know, it was a little bit, you know, by the board, a little bit chalk here, but I mean, they end up landing two guys here and came on thibodeau and Evan Neal that you just feel really good about. Yeah, and I think what's interesting too is a player who I don't think the Giants would have taken a year ago, 5 years ago, ten years ago. I think that they've always been fairly conservative when it comes to players who let's just say like, you know, the Tom cawthon regime especially, like, right? There's that matrix of like if a player is ever mentioned as having like some sort of like an outlandish personality or, you know, is more expressive or there's the rumor that he doesn't love football or whatever. Like that player almost always traditionally got lopped off Tom Coughlin's board, right? Or by extension, Dave gettleman's board because that's how Dave gettleman spent a lot of his formative years. And so I think that this is a chance for them to finally. Since Jason Pierre Paul came and left, they have not had that complete package in terms of tools at the pass rusher position, right? They've kind of just had guys, right? And they had to overpay for people like Olivier Vernon to make up for that. But now they have pure tools like intense speed and bend and quickness and power and this is something that is very foreign to the Giants. Over the last 5 or ten years, let's say. Indeed, indeed, I want to make one real quick point about K mount thibodeau and then I want to hear your Evan Neal take because I know you're a huge Evan Neal guy, but one thing I should have brought it up during the mock draft show, one thing that kept on coming with thibodeaux throughout the draft process because I just keep on watching them and be like, you know, I don't think Hutchinson or walker are generational prospects by any stretch of the imagination, neither is thibodeau, but I just don't know why he's not in the conversation with those two other guys. And one of the things that kept on coming up was like, ah, you know, not a lot of ankle bend is kind of limited type of thing. Like, he played last season on a bum ankle. Doesn't that doesn't that count for anything? Doesn't let playing on a severely sprained ankle factor into your assessment of someone's ankle bend? Yeah, it's pure laziness. And it was cool. You know, I did a story inspired by obviously a great idea that you had for our draft preview issue. And I got to talk to a thibodaux pass rushing coach that he had that he worked with during the pre draft process. And he had these slow motion videos. And I guess a lot of people look cool in slow motion. But the things that thibodeau was able to do with his body, like they have those dummies that stick their hands out and mimic like an offensive tackle. And he was like, he was like, it was like a ripple. He was almost like liquid, getting under his arms. He just does it so fast and he's just so fluid and he's got this array of moves. And I just think he's a really great, cool, fun player. And I think he'll be, you know, as long as the market doesn't just shake the enjoyment in the life out of him. I think he's going to be, I think he's going to be a good addition. That defensive line looks okay now. I mean, you know, it doesn't look great. I mean, Leonard Williams is still not going to happen. It's still not a thing, but it looks okay now. It does. It does. And you love Evan Neal. Oh my God, yeah. I put him number one in my mock draft. And it was funny. I feel today an inspirational pre draft phone call from former boss Peter king, who called, it was very nice and called just to wish me a happy draft. And we were talking about the number one overall pick and what we thought might happen. And he said, Connor, Evan Neal's not going number one. He's like, he's like, you need to understand that. And I was like, no, I will not understand it. And I held out hope that he was going to go number one. It was like 30 seconds before the draft. And if I did not have to assist in some kind of calamitous parenting duties at that moment, I was at my computer tweeting Evan Neal number one. Here we go. I was ready for it to happen. I think he is just a badass natural left tackle. And now he gets to play on the right side, so he doesn't have to, you know, I think he'll come out strong. He's gonna have a really good first year. And you know, Trent balke, you know, just you're gonna see what you missed out on. All right, we've arrived at the miscellany of the show. The potpourri category. I'm just gonna, I have three takes, I'm just gonna throw out and you can make them what you will. You can also throw out your own takes. Maybe we just saw a yell at the same time and see how it comes out. But I really, I love what the use in Texans are doing. I'm totally on the same wavelength of everything going on there right now. Obviously, but I love the Derek stingley pick. And again, I don't wanna like, I know we played two seasons after his freshman year. I don't know if he really put forth the kind of full force effort the last two seasons that maybe you wanted to see out of him. But I think there's a really likely scenario that Derek stingley ends up being the most valuable player out of this draft class. And there was all this talk about the top ten. Which was just nuts to me. So I think taking him third overall was just a tremendous and then kenyon green is another guy who was kind of being mocked outside the top 25 and that's sort of stuff, but if you want like a tone setting guard, maybe they play him a tackle, but you know, probably a tone setting guard here for a team that, you know, if you already have 17 running backs on your depth chart, the Kenyan green is the guy you get. So I love those two picks and obviously the Texans also picked up some draft capital moving down from 13 to 15 before they took green there and yeah, big night for Nick kasaria. Yeah, I would say if there's any if there's any person that you think can get the most out of a prospect who may have lost his way. It is text and super character coach Jack easterby. But no comment on that. But yeah, no, I thought it was a good night. Does this qualify, by the way? I said if the Texans got anyone that could directly help, love you Smith, run his defense, I would have to, I would have to fill I would have to buy, well, I guess the Texans had to buy me the pool, and then I had to float around in vanilla pudding. What did I say? Vanilla pudding was the only real solid thing we settled on with that. We're gonna have to get some sort of behind the scenes video of Nick asaro being like, no, no, no, we gotta take, we gotta take Kenneth walker here. We need another running back and love you Smith banging the table and saying, no, I need Derek stingley. That's really the only way you do it. And plus we said we do it same night as well, which, you know, just logistically, it was gonna be difficult to pull off or confirm that we had to pull it off. Oh, well. I think I have a little vanilla pudding upstairs, but you know, enough to fill a pool, question mark? You can eat that vanilla pudding in that would be a good compromise right there. Close enough, yeah. Kobe dean falls out of the first round, a little bit surprising, you know, the packers, packers do not take a receiver. I don't think he necessarily blame them based on based on the board, but I was still surprised that quay walker, I know a lot of people expected it. I was surprised coy walker went and Nico badine didn't, as our Albert breer reported the other day, there is some medical stuff going on with dean, that sort of added up that maybe scared people off,.
Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"quay walker" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"Patriots where I'm just like, I don't know how much film they're watching because they're not picking things up, like that's how you become, that's how you don't think as much on the field. You just react, 'cause you know you see it and you do it. And whereas other guys who don't study as much, and they need to take a couple steps, all right, what's really going on here. By the way, like muma, a fan, not a whole lot of upside, but I think he's polished and he could play right away. Let's talk about Troy Anderson for a second. Oh, yeah. 'cause I don't know how much you wrote on her. I think you did mention him at some point as I would consider him here. I mean, started a quarterback running back, linebacker, like he's 6, three and a half, two 43, ran a four four two, like, I don't know. I mean, you know, I was excited watching him and just thinking about Bill Belichick losing his mind over a guy like this. I was just like, why aren't we talking about this guy more? Yeah, I think so, so first off, a couple of things that people might not know about him. He won state championship in three different sports in high school. One of the things the Patriots like in most of the big programs like Sabin and these big college programs, they love kids to play multiple sports. That leads to competitiveness. He ran a ten 8 in high school in the hundred. So the kids, kids fast, really fast. He's athletic. You know, he's going to need some refinement. That's obviously a big jump from Montana, Montana state. He didn't look out a place not being full time at the position. I mean, he time, I mean, I've seen some scout comments about like, you know, I wish he had four years of playing like linebacker. If he did, he might be a first round candidate. Totally. Totally. The challenges he ran a challenge if you had a patriots. He ran a four four two, right? Which put him on everybody's radar, right? And probably bumps him up around. Into probably the second round. Where he was probably going to be a third, maybe fourth because he wasn't necessarily ready. But man, those like athletic traits are rare and the backgrounds kind of rare in itself too. So yeah, I like Troy. He's one of my top 5. I have him higher than the kid from Alabama. Christian Harris. I think I wouldn't be surprised if they kind of went in that direction. I think he's a good kid. That's the word from down there. He definitely has top end talent. I think he's more of a kid that you're banking on the best footballs in front of him. Like he had that time on Harris Anderson. I talk about Harris. I'm talking about Harris. You know, he doesn't like his speed is fast, but he doesn't always play that fast. I think his best fit is going to be in like a react defense that allows him to unlock that athleticism versus high end play recognition. I didn't think he was great in coverage. I didn't think he was always great against run Fitz. Really athletic kid really talented kid comes from the program they like. So it would be a huge surprise if they picked them. But I don't have him higher than some of those than Anderson muma quay walker, et cetera. We'll wrap up with the linebackers in just a second, but our partners at bet online continue to be the number one source for all your betting needs and sports info. Find.
Patriots Beat
"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"It was ultimately Seymour, but they do, he has operated that way in the past. Yeah. So I do wonder Phil Perry. He threw it out there yesterday. He doesn't usually just throw things out there just for the sake of it. Maybe quay walker is a guy out there looking at the top of the draft too. So we just basically covered all of our bases just in case they do just about anything on Thursday night. So that's the way we do it here, right? So it's not about predicting. It's just about getting out there. How many games can you know? By the way, I don't know why none of the defensive players are showing up. I was about to read it off. They did have Quincy Carter and Patrick pastel on that Georgia team. Yeah, also, I didn't mention devonte Y in the first round and I'm not saying that there's anything going on with him off the field or anything like that that I know of. But I didn't mention him as a first round guy because I didn't mention him as a first round guy. Devonte Wyatt, I don't know enough information. I'm not speculating. It's not a Christian barmore situation. I don't want to put that out there, but there is some reason league why that devonte Wyatt is falling out of the first round. I don't think it has anything to do with outfield. I think it's more about on field stuff potentially, but whatever it is, that's how it feels. Is that he's not going to be there. So I think it's going to be an interesting thing. To look at, like, you said, there are trends suggest closer to the football is probably where they're going. I don't know if that's no, the trend doesn't suggest. Well, not on offense, it doesn't suggest that. Well, it suggests that close to the football. And they're not going to go wide receiver..
Patriots Beat
"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"His future in Pittsburgh, even though he hates to talk about it. If they don't start to turn this around here a little bit, I don't know how much longer he lasts now. The Steelers don't fire coaches though. That's their whole thing. They don't. I don't know if they fire him, but he might. Mutually. It's candy pick. Pittsburgh kid plays stays in Pittsburgh, makes a lot of sense. Yeah. All right, can he pick it? All right, here we are. This is exactly how I see this playing out. Like exactly. Yeah. Yeah, none of the fun name left. None of the fun names are left. What do you do if your Bill Belichick, there is a team here? We've only got one team calling. It's a Buccaneers. I still would take the trade down, right? Like I'd still do it, just to get the pick because none of these guys here are 21 make much sense. I don't know where you're going to go with this. I'm the biggest Andrew booth junior fan there is. I just don't love it. Here at this point in the draft would be some of the things that scheme fit just, I don't know, I don't think when I say I don't love it, I mean, I don't think they will do it, right? I don't think Andrew's look is their guy. Clemson, 15 games of tape, injuries. I just don't think he's their guy. At this point, probably the guys I would think that they were a target would be one of three guys. Dax hill obviously from Michigan, Kyler Gordon from Utah. And maybe quay walker from Georgia at this point. Well, so somebody did point out, we actually didn't take them. Jermaine Johnson's still here. That's interesting how he made it here without taking him, right? Yeah. I guess the eagles try to think, where do we miss? I think maybe the eagles instead of Devin Lloyd could have potentially taken Jermaine Johnson. But it's amazing how, let's say we 18 the eagles day Jermaine Johnson at Devin Lloyd, that's how easy it is for one of these guys to fall, right? Like that's how easy it is to highlight your main jobs in the fall. I think he's a great fit. No, we should take him with the Chargers at 7. That's what it was. Yeah, they traded it out, right? Yeah. So maybe the Chargers still get them. The Chargers at what 23. We know the packers are probably going to go receiver here. What the Patriots probably take him at this point though? I would think the Patriots would take him if we're going to just go off of this is what happened and we have to take the best player for the Patriots here. Jermaine Johnson, I think probably the best run defender in the entire draft is from a fundamental standpoint. Since the edge sees it very well, really, really good run defender in every sense of the word. He doesn't have the cornering ability or like the turn the edge type of pass rush that people covet in the top ten. So I could see him falling into the teens for that reason, right? I don't think he's as fluid as loose as bursty and bendy of an edge rusher as what teams would prefer higher on in the draft. I never would imagine a situation where Jermaine Johnson ends up here. I think maybe we botched a pick here or two to get him here. But based off the way this is gone, we have to take Jermaine Johnson. I would say or trade out. I saw the trade out as a possibility here and they could view it that way too. So it would be a first, a third picture third. They might rather do that..
Patriots Beat
"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"So they want like 7 is their basement. Yeah. We make this. If we make this trade at 6. Okay. Let's keep it going. I think we keep it rolling. I think we keep the picks. If Kyler Gordon falls to 54 by some miracle, nope, they took Washington took them. Okay, all right. While he wasn't gonna, I think him dropping all the way to 54 is crazy. This is crazy too. We just miss quay walker at 52. Yeah, I think that that's gonna be a real, I could see them moving up a couple picks for quay walk or two. Oh, do you have the board of who we've taken, by the way? We took a lot of it with the first pick. Yeah, we took a lot of it with the first pick. We're still working here. Look, you staring right at you at the top of the board. I understand that people want a little bit more athleticism. And I know the ocean all tested through the roof at Indy in India at the combine. But when you watch them on tape, he's stiffer than what he tested. I don't think his agility and his change of direction in space. And his ability to cover our cover in the passing game are as good as his athletic profile at the combine might suggest, right? I don't think this is a high level cover talent at linebacker. With that being said, there are very few prospects in this draft that do the things that they want a player to do at that position better than Leo Chanel. When it comes to fitting the run, rushing the passer, just being an absolute menace in the box. Like, this guy checks all of those boxes, 250 pounds, a thumper, but got some new age athleticism to him. It's hard to argue that leader Chanel is not a perfect fit for them. Like he really is to me exactly what they want at linebacker. But at the same time, I would say so Troy Anderson, so was Chad mama. I think Tori Anderson's really raw. I don't know if he's quite as refined and his processing. I don't think it's quite as good. Mama's processing and refinement is fantastic. I don't know if he has the take on and the aggressiveness coming downhill likely as Chanel does. So I agree with you that those guys are good too. They're not neither one of them are getting to 85 though. So for taking a picture at 54, we got to decide which one we want now. Well, so can I show you a trade I've kind.
The MMQB NFL Podcast
"quay walker" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"In 2022? Yeah, I mean, you'd have to find the right fit, right? You have to think that, you know, and that's what's hard. I had him connected to the Patriots and my mock draft, but I don't think he's a Belichick player. I don't think he covers well enough to be a Belichick player. And you know, he's just busy beating up on all these crap schools like Ohio State. But just kidding. But I think that you're right. You would have to find like a ravens, maybe Wink Martindale's with the Giants. Ron Rivera still likes that he told me recently 33 33 33 man zone pressure, right? And so you're going to have to find one of those teams. And there's just a lot less of them now. There's only like 6, you know, which is, which is crazy to me. Now, some of that is opponent dependent, right? So we could see if you have a year now where there's like three or four rookies that maybe aren't very good that are coming into play, you could see the blitz rate go up again, but not in a sustainable way. I mean, I think it's going to be down for quite some time. The other guy among linebackers, I want to talk about real quick is quay walker, another Georgia guy, and he, I don't want to say that Kobe dean doesn't look the part because nicobi dean does look the part in 2022 here. But if you're looking for this sort of classic inside linebacker, that's more walker who's like 6 four two 40. I think the issue, I love how I'm just there are two Georgia guys I just digging for this and it's completely unfair and completely you just can't be smart. No, I dinged Devante Wyatt during the defensive line show where it's like, oh, how much of this is just you play alongside Jordan Davis so you can go wherever you want. But I do wonder how much of what walker did was kind of a result of playing behind Jordan Davis and playing next to nicobi dean. I do think he's a borderline borderline first round prospect, but he does not get around the field as well as dean does, however you do. You don't want to fall in love with the measurables, but like, yeah, the measurables sort of matter to him. You know, you have the length to stack and shed blocks. Get into passing lanes, things like that. I think he is certainly has the upside to be a star linebacker in this league. It's just a question of does he get there? Yeah. It was Trayvon walker, right? But pro football focus had the stat that 50% of his pressures came by virtue of somebody else doing the work, basically, which is stunning, right? I mean, you had guys that are doing 19% of that. And so I think that there's with quay walker with any of these guys. I think that there's an element of that that has to be parsed out. And what's interesting to me is like Trey hendrickson. I know I've brought this up on the show, was very, very high in that metric while he's with the saints and I talked to duke Tobin about this. He's like, yeah, but we have to isolate the times where we can isolate it. And when we did, he seemed like a great guy, you know? And they were right. He's a $30 million a year pass rusher that they're paying half of that for that reason. And so quay walker, but anybody that you draft from here, you're really going to have to separate. And walker is big. He's physical. I think he does what you want him to do. Especially against the run. I mean, takes on bigger offensive lineman, but I think he might be a little bit of a liability in the past too. I think he can catch up to most college tight ends, but I think it's basically a tight end All-Star Game at the next level. Let's go on to the cornerbacks here. And we're going to start with Ahmad sauce gardener out of Cincinnati. And yeah, there's some of the level of competition concerned with Gardner, although Alabama didn't put the ball anywhere near him in their matchup. And on top of that, just really, we talk about Seattle style corners and do they meet these do they meet these thresholds? What's the arm length? Stuff like that. He meets all that stuff, but he moves in a different way than big corners. I mean, this guy, what, he was 6, two and a half of the combine. He's got 33 inch arms. Just usually that's a guy who doesn't, you know, have the ability to sort of redirect as well as your 6 foot dude who maybe has some other concerns. But it's really difficult to find a flaw in his game at this point. You know who he reminds me of, not as a player comp but a mystique comp. Do you like this? I'm making a mistake. My favorite comps, yeah. Do you have a guess? Mystique comp would be, I don't have a guess. Non the awesome one, right? Do you remember what kind of coming out of the blue? And this is before we had pro football focus and maybe before we watched football as intelligently as we did a couple of years ago, but all of a sudden like that stat emerged like midway through the season before he went to the eagles for it was like, holy shit, nobody's thrown at this guy in like 8 years. That's crazy. And you know, I think mod Gardner is one of those guys, but you're right. I mean, covers so much ground so quickly. He's incredibly athletic. I thought, you know, with Alabama avoiding him, like I thought it was funny that Notre-Dame decided not to and paid dearly for it. I think he had a goal line interception in that game if I remember correctly and yeah, I mean physical in the running game, not afraid to take on blocks like he's just like, it's almost like a college cam Chancellor's body with like a with like a Richard Sherman covering ability. It's really interesting, you know? It's like 12, 15 years ago, I feel like a lot of in the same way they did with awesome. I shouldn't say a lot, but I feel like a lot of folks would have looked at just his body type and said, I don't know if this is a cornerback here. I think he's a safety. But he moves like a cornerback. He's just super, super long. And you could draft him. I mean, you know, listen, we can't plan anything ten years down the line ten years down the line. I could be living back alone in my apartment with a whole counter full of ice makers. And but you know, you could draft him with the idea that you could one day avoid the Revis drop off, right? And you could project him to safety. Next guy here, Derek stingley out of LSU and this will be the best conversation here because it's just a bunch of hypotheticals and guesswork. But a couple of years ago, when LSU won the national title game, if you saw Derek stingley, you would have said, well, this guy is not just the best cornerback in college football. He is a potential number one overall pick when he comes out when he's eligible because it's a true freshman at that point. He still had to play two more seasons at LSU. So he plays the two more seasons. LSU kind of has this collapse as a program. They end up moving on from the coach and stingley just misses a lot of time. And I think that's the number one issue is like, okay, well, durability..
Patriots Beat
"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"I mean, I don't think we've really, we've talked about trading down a ton at 21. We've never really talked about trading down here, which would be interesting. I don't know if you can get another top 100 pick for this pick. The trade chart here and take a look, so let's say Tampa because you don't really trade in the division. 60 plus 91 that's 88 points plus 44. So one call it like one 20, this pick is 100. So we could do. This. All right, and 54, right? We're giving up 54. And 54. Yes, sorry, and 54. Yeah. Yeah. So we get 60 and 91 for 54 and one 27. So basically you improve one 27, you move a little bit back on 54. Right. It's not terrible. It gets you that extra top 100 that we've been looking for in the trade downs from 21, right? That's the whole idea of traded down for 21 is to get the extra top 100. It's a little bit of a different way of going about it. I don't hate it. I'm fine. I want to see the picks. Some of these other teams have, like, maybe we can add another Cincinnati 63 9 5. And we have one. I think they only have one, the rams, they don't have a top 100 Bill. So the only one I look at 63 and 95 that's 82 points in 40, so that's the same thing. It's one 20. It's essentially going to be the same trade. We could get we could get a 7th if we did this trade with the bangles instead. We could get I'm all right the 7th. I think I'd rather. I think I'd rather say top 60, right? I'd rather get that 60 pitch. We're trading with Tampa again? Yes. That's the trade. We've traded back to 60 here in the second round with quite a few guys. So now quay walker goes at 57. Quay walker Cameron Thomas went, I like both of them. Okay. I know it's a little bit early..
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Pickens. So we lost, we are getting killed. Yeah, not a great run here for us on the board. So that's how wide we were at this point. Oh boy. A bunch of, I mean, at this point, we wait until the third round, or we have 66, I think that's, yeah. So when we double up on in the third and fourth round on wide receiver and try to get them down there. So I want to see. I'm going to put safeties on the board. Yeah, not really. This could be an interesting spot for Troy Anderson. We got murdered. We are getting, this is like the worst case, this is nowhere to go but up from here. This is a worst case scenario to start. Yes. All right, so here's the argument, right? Leo chenal is their typical sledgehammer that is a little bit more explosive a little bit of better athlete moves faster than a guy like Juan Bentley, but I would say is cut from the same cloth as those types of guys, right? When I watch him on tape in a straight line, he's really, really fast and explosive, but you ask him to try to change directions and things like that. It gets a little bit wary at that point. Oh, they have clay walker way down here too. They got some guys. So the reason why I think PFF has guys like quay walker all the way down here is because they're a production based model and a guy like walker's more trade space, right? So I also love Christian Harris here too. If you want to get speed on the defense, is he not play though? Because he's going to get stuck behind he's going to get stuck behind my blank Oklahoma in Michigan why am I blanking on the names? Ronnie Perkins and camera grown..
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"So it's just, you really have to go by, I think you really have to scout these guys. I test. What do you see on a play by play to play basis? Because looking at the stats, looking how they were used overall in the big picture, the talent that was there as a whole really skews what each individual player did in the production they put out. That's why like when we talk about quay walker, you look at him compared to other linebackers in this class in terms of the production and he's like 30 to 40 tackles overall tackles solo tackles behind the guys. He's kind of comped with. Well, yeah, of course, but then on the other hand, it's like, he got 70 tackles or whatever it is. I think it's like actually low 80s. He got 80 tackles playing next to nicobi D when you factor that in, okay, that's impressive. Of course, Chad mama has a 140 tackles. Who's he play next to? Yeah. You know, white walkers play next to a first round pick. He still got to the ball carrier 80 times. Yeah, he also has great pressure per snap stats, right? Like the PFF metrics. That's the thing. You've got to look at it on a per snap basis. Yeah. Yeah, he's a really intriguing player. Probably kills it at the combine, probably goes a little bit higher than what the Patriots are going to be able to get him at. But again, there are, I know for a fact, there's still some teams that are super old school about production, right? And if you're going to adopt a guy at maybe a team that I think wouldn't care who has two picks ahead of the Patriots is like the Philadelphia Eagles. There are a team that no pun intended flocks to athletes. All they care about is measurables. Does give me a ball of clay and our coaches will work with that guy and figure it out figure it out. So maybe there are a team that jumps on a guy like Trayvon walker. You mentioned devonte Wyatt. We've talked about him a little bit as well on the show. Personally, I haven't rated extremely highly. He's my number two in this class. The problem that I have with a guy like him is a little bit redundant to Christian barmore. How do you get both of those guys on the field at the same time? I think as a conversation that they'll have to have, you can't have both of them play three technique, right? And there's three techniques on either side of the center, but you don't really, that's not really how you align. A defensive line is having two, three techniques on the other side of center. So how do you get both of those guys on the field at the same time and both be productive? That's going to be a question. Fantastic player, great prospect. I think it's going to be a back end of the first round guy, but you worry about his fit next to bar more, whereas with Jordan Davis, you know, Jordan Davis is going to be on the nose, borrower is going to be the three technique and the back and you go get it. A couple more defensive lines. It's real quick. I'd add to that too. If a guy like white, if that's the route they want to go, if they say, hey, let's just load up on athletes on the defensive line and we'll figure it out from there. Right. Well then you look at a guy like Perry on Winfrey who's going to go 60 pixel later. Comparable measurements and all of that. Why it's a really good player. There's a number of reasons why.
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"He can play all of those types of weak move linebacker type roles that you want that the Patriots and every patriots fan wants speed speed speed at the second level. Quay walker is it. The guy that I see, maybe not as big as Jamie Collins, but I think there's a lot of Jamie Collins in his game, right? Length, athleticism, freakish freakish athleticism, this guy is going to absolutely murder the combine next week. I think that he's everything that you would want in that position and that pick. Plus at 6 foot three to 40, maybe you get them up to two 45 once you get them in the building. He's still got some sand in the pants. And he still got some length to be able to press blocks, get his hands into people and create some separation and get off some blocks when they are asking him to shed and stack in the trenches. So a really a lot to like about clay walker and this is another one of those picks too where I look at it and I say, if they can just draft anybody from that George defense, I'm taking them. That was one of the best defenses in the last two decades in college football. I think anybody from that defense, whether it's at the first level with Davis or Wyatt or walker, the other walker, travon walker, quay walker, tindall, dean, Louis scene in the back end. Just get somebody from the door to defense. It really doesn't matter who it is. I like boy walker personally, so that's why I took him. But anybody from that Georgia defense is good with me, that you just can't go wrong with picking off a defense that goes 8, 9, ten deep with NFL prospects. Josh job. Josh job cornerback from Alabama, third round pick, definitely has some flaws, not a perfect player by any means, grabby, has some penalties, but when you watch him play, press man coverage, the guy beats people up. He's in massive corner. He's got great physical tools to be able to play press man and he can really bring it in his jam and in the initial parts of the route to really get into guys and really press guys at the line of scrimmage and make it difficult for them to get off the route. So you'd look about pairing him with a guy like JC Jackson, what I like about it is that when you go up against a Mike Williams, you go up against a Corey Davis when you go up against some of these bigger X receivers that are going to play on the outside..
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"He is a hard hitting player, but for the most part he's a finesse guy. He is not somebody that is going to take out the trash as Dante Hightower used to say and do the dirty work and take on blocks. He is an athlete that wants to be free to roam and free to make contact and be a heat seeking missile. And I think a lot of times when you look at that, you say, oh, well, that's exactly what they need. It is if they have a true mic that can be the guy that's going to be the sledgehammer. If they can have Devin Lloyd B, the weak side back or who is the chaser, then they can have a guy like that, but they still need that mic player. So when I look at it, I say, okay, I think quay walker, I think Christian Harris, for example, from Alabama. I think Chad Momo from Wyoming, those guys to me are not that much worse than Devin Lloyd, is the prospect compared to, let's say, Chris a lave to a sky more George pickens, those types of players. That to me is a more substantial drop off, which is why you think from a lava from a lava down to pickens is a substantial drop. I think from a lava to the guys that they could get with their second round pick at wide receiver. We're talking about a significant drop. The other thing that I would point out is the two Alabama guys are both coming off ACLs and not only am I concerned about the fact that they could re injure themselves at the NFL level because once you blow a knee out, it's very, very easy to re injure your ACL. Even the other one could go, right? Because you're overcompensating on the other leg. So re injury is a major concern. The other thing that I would say is a major concern is you're talking about a guy like Jameson Williams or John meche, maybe getting on the field again at full speed in August, September, maybe October of next year. So as much as I love the familiarity for a guy like John metchie with Mac Jones, I would be concerned about the fact that that player is basically lost for his rookie season because we know how the Patriots operate. We saw it with Nikhil Harry. We're talking about projecting that guy. And at the top of the draft this year for the Patriots, I don't think that they have the I don't think they have the flexibility.
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"quay walker" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"And that's something that would concern me a little bit about him because he his body type, the way that he plays the game. The Patriots would try to turn him into an X I don't know if the Patriots would move him inside or play him off the line. Which is probably what they need to do. Right. So I think that he's somebody that I'm a little bit wary of just because of the press coverage reps that I saw. Yeah, and look, I think they could use a guy like that. I just don't, if that's the role you're gonna fill, you're talking like that Z, right? Right. Go get one down in the third round at that point, right? At that point, you don't need to use a first round pick. So wide receivers kind of a weak position in terms of patriots needs at the senior bowl, but pretty much every linebacker that's worth talking about, especially inside linebackers there. I'll give you a couple. Devin Lloyd's going to be there. Chad mama from Wyoming is the guy I really like quay walker, maybe my draft crush on the defensive side of the ball. Did you watch Troy Anderson from Montana state? I haven't yet. But I did watch a little bit of quay walker just watching. Obviously, the Kobe dean today. And he's somebody a title is he gonna be there too. The other Georgia linebacker, I think both of those guys are Kindle changing. Yeah, yeah. Both of those guys, I think are interesting. They're a little bit bigger, obviously than the Kobe dean, but they do still move pretty. I mean, that Paul Georgia defense flew to the ball, right? It wasn't just nicobi dean. He was a heartbeat of that, but all those guys could fly to the football. So anybody from that door to defense on game with. So yeah, I really like walker, but watch Troy Anderson. He's kind of an unknown and I'll admit, I haven't seen a ton of them, but the people I trust with Dave said about him to me, he should be in the mix. And there we know the Patriots aren't afraid to go with the small school guy, right? Look at Kyle duggar and how that worked out. And that's kind of where I'll close this on names people should know. Beavers is going to be there too, right? From Cincinnati. He's an interesting one at linebacker also. I've heard some good things about him. I think he's the player that they'll be interested in. Yeah. Darren Bieber's yep. Yeah. And there's some good corners there too, correct? So yeah, yeah, so there are. So I kind of on that note, one of my favorite things about senior bowl is you kind of you see these guys from the smaller schools and how do they do against power 5 competition? So I'll start I circle those guys who are the smaller school guys who I really want to see what they can do. The first guy circles, he's actually the first guy circled on this entire roster, believe it or not. Tariq woolen Tariq woolen from UTS a University of Texas, San Antonio. Marcus Davenport. Yeah. So they were really good this year. They were.