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156: Dr. Keith Baar on Tendon Health, Rehab and Elastic Power Performance | Sponsored by SimpliFaster

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156: Dr. Keith Baar on Tendon Health, Rehab and Elastic Power Performance | Sponsored by SimpliFaster

"A lot of a lot of what we do, when we work with athletes is we're looking at their injury history, if I have a super fast athlete who has got lots of muscles, non-contact muscles. Then I know that they're, they're having an issue with stiffs and I'm going to load them more slow than fast. I'm almost gonna do knows fast movements at all because they're going to get fast movement when they're doing their or when they're doing their training. So I can just do protective movements that are designed to keep them from getting those non-contact muscle. If I've got somebody who's never had a non contact multiple who's maybe not quite as fast. Now, I can do a combination of lots of fast movements to try and improve their stiffness improve their speed, not necessarily top in speeding proved their stiffness and then just enough slow movements to keep them healthy enough. Those UC Davis professor in connective tissue expert, Dr Keith Barr. 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This is another gem in the line, of tended, connective tissue training shows that we've had so far, the most recent of which was Dr ebony real, and I know that this is something that you guys are really interested in. I'm really interested in it interested in it, and who out there as as a coach or a coach of athletes hasn't dealt with tendon connective tissue injuries in issues in these and achilles. And all these things and I think this is stuff that's really important not to mention to it. I've, I've, I've said this at seminars are, this thought that like we tend to think of things from just a muscle perspective. But you hear the term sprinting is electric and see the research. The connective tissue is absolutely critical and being fast and explosive. It's what makes us athletes in many ways. And we can't we can't have it without muscle. The tendons are critical and so to that end really excited to have Dr Keith bar on the show, he received his PHD from the university of Illinois, and he is currently the head of the functional. Milica molecular biology laboratory at UC Davis where he leads a team of researchers Duke some of the best and leading research in the world on tendons, and connective tissue. So over the last fifteen years, Keith has worked with the lead athletes of many different sports track, and field football soccer cycling. He's spent time as an assistant strength, coach at his own the mater, university of Michigan football team where he spent time as an undergraduate. So Keith is a guy who has incr-. Incredibly smart in the world of research. But also has experienced in the trenches and he really applies it and ports. It over to things that are usable by everyday straight strength coaches sports performance specialist track and field coaches, people who just want to jump higher and have healthier tendon. It's a doctor bar does such an awesome job in this show. And in his work of creating ideas that are very usable by us to get better output in health from our athletes. So I know that these shows have been really popular before, connective tissue. This is an amazing follow up. It is incredibly information dense, I would definitely recommend probably listening to it two or three times. And I know for me. I listened to it twice one in recording it when going through it and then going through it. There was so many quotes, I wrote down, also really helped me capture some of the information that Dr bar was putting out. So if you're listening in your car or something, I would definitely take a look at some of the quotes from the show. I think you'd really get a lot out of it on just fly sports dot com on the actual webpage and show notes, but. For the show today and a couple of things as well. Like you've heard Sheldon Dunlap. Who's previous guests on the show who really has an innovative version of try phase training for athletic performance mentioned Dr bars impact on him, Jake tour, who is the strength coach at Youngstown state, who will be an upcoming guest is actually, the most recent guy who got me interested again. And what Dr bar was doing because he's had some amazing results from Dr bars methods. And so today show's all about ten to trading, it's all about ten in health and regeneration, the dynamics of the collagen networks, and the fast and slow exercise Eissa metrics, how that impacts the tendon, tendon, stiffness versus length basically training tents for health versus performance, which if you're training athletes is critical distinction, and it's Dr bar was meant mentioning in the teaser were also going to talk about how maximal overcoming isometric exercises work as well as extreme isometrics or long, hold isometrics, and really how all these little tools in the. Is symmetric realm have an impact on tendons and muscles, and how that adds up in athletic performance. We're going to talk a little bit as well about nutrition intended health, and an idea is there on optimizing, our optimizing, what we're getting out of that type of training. So again, this is just a fantastic show. Super information, super information dense, but the doctor bar lays it all out. Just very eloquently in a way we all can understand. And I know you guys are gonna get a lot of this show. So with that being said, let's get onto you episode one fifty six with Dr Keith bar. So Keith what what's stoked your interest in, in, like ten tendons and connective tissue in that whole area of the sports performance in physiology spectrum, because I think it's a little bit different. You'll muscles are, are one thing but tendons or another and what your interest in that part of the field. So there's two things really started me, working in this series of the first one was at the time we were funded by the military to produce. A motor and the best type of motor that could not run out of energy is, is a muscle based motor. So we were actually engineering muscles with the design of having a muscle that could power, you know, devices on a spaceship, that was going to do a long-term flight, or it was designed for these really am bishops goals, it you needed top motor. That was had the potential to regenerate itself at wouldn't run out of energy, if it was given the rates fly all of those types of things, and every time, what we would do is, we take our these beautiful little engineered muscles that we'd make me put them onto a machine and they would always fail at the interface between the muscle machine. And so that made it quite obvious. That, that's not the way it happens in the body in actually have an interface between the muscle and the machine, which is our skeleton in. So the we tried to then start understanding, how this tissue the tendon is actually working, what was really interesting about it. Because if you talk to any engineer, if you do, what must attendant does, which is take a very compliant tissue in a muscle in attach it to a very stiff tissue in a bone. That's always going to be wait, where there's the greatest where we call strain concentrations, or stress concentrations. So that's where there's going to be the most chance for an injury. And so we, we did a number of different studies that were designed to understand how he healthy tendon works. And a lot of those studies what we would do is we go into a rodent. We take out a bone on one side. And we take out the muscle and the other, we'd isolate the a the tendon, and we did this with, with a tendon that goes along the front of your shin called to be awesome cheer tendon the reasonably picked. It is because it's nice and long and what we can do is, we could draw little lines now is really important because what we wanted to do, as we wanted to not only pull on it and see how much load it took the stretch. It just measuring the distance between the two grips. We actually wanted to look to see is it the same at every point. So if I pull on it if I look close to the tendon or close, I should say close the bone or close the muscle. Do I see differences in the stretching? And sure enough, what we found was that we looked close to the muscle. You had it really. Very compliant region independent. If you look close to the bone, you had an extraordinarily stiff part of tenant, and so really what we found was that the tendon was this rated mechanical tissue and from that we realized okay? This is why our muscles are pulling off the machine because we don't have this graded interface between the muscle, which is compliant than bone that stiff and our bodies have created or we've evolved these systems where we have one tissue. That's compliant on one end and stiff on the other, and that that was really important for our understanding of basically, what these tissues were doing that. I think that's a really interesting. That's actually the first question. I was gonna ask you this whole compliance and stiffness spectrum because I remember in grad school, I did more my I like actual my research. I research class, I took, which I didn't end up going there. Just I finished up my master's. But my first class there was like a basic research. Compilation project and it was on ten in compliance and stiffness, and I got an A on it, but in hindsight, I actually completely misdirected the research, like I didn't do a very good job of, like I actually contacted when it was Kubo, one of the study authors later on, and ask them about the stiffness in compliance in training thing. And he said, basically conclusions, you made you can't make us but I still got a which was cool. And the there's a really big difference between the beautiful or the Kubo is done, and the work that we did in the rodents, and that's that we do it in a rodent, what we're doing is we're taking out the tissue where holding onto the muscle on one end the bone on the other end and we're pulling directly on the tendon, and whenever we do these things in human, we can't obviously do that. So we have to do is we have to use something else to generate the forest because here what we're doing is, we're pulling on it, and every time we pull on it, we bought it with the exact same load and the exact same velocity. And that's super super important for understanding the Canucks of the tissue because if you load it faster or slower, you're going to get different mechanics. And so when we do these studies in humans, what we're doing is using muscle contraction as a way to load the tended, and that's great because you'd get a measure the problem is that, that assumes that nothing has changed within the muscle. So as. I load my tendon if I load my tendency today in the night trained for eight weeks. I love my ten in eight weeks. The trained muscle is also changed. And what's really important to realize is that trained, muscle has a matrix within it that matrix within his made up of collagen, and that matrix also is changing dramatically as you change the muscles functionality. And there's a beautiful study that just came out of few few months ago that shows that if we look in a muscle, we actually see that there's the muscle cells. They're producing the force and then there's this little satellite cells on the outside, which are the stem cells which help us fix any any injuries that we have. And there's also another population of cells. There were seven in total, one of the new ones that they discovered was a population of cells that are actually cells that are tendon cells, and they're actually in the muscle outside of the muscle. Fibers in there, probably the cells that are producing the matrix within that muscle. And so the big thing that happens when we train, or would we change all this loadings were not only changing what happens in the tendon changing the matrix, in the muscle or changing the muscle itself in its ability to transmit the force. So all of these things are changing into the whole system together were changing the mechanics, and that's really important. Because when I tested, I pull it. Using a machine holding the bone holding muscle and unloading, the tended that takes out any changes that happen in the muscle. But when we do these experiments in human, we have to use the muscle to local Titian mix fairly complex. I, I know the last Ted in podcast added here with Dr ebony Rio and some of the work I was doing reading her work in preparation for that. It was like achilles tendinitis you know, big big issue and doing like cafes are basically strengthening the planner flexes seems to have a benefit, but it doesn't that's like it has a benefit faster than the tenant carry model. So where is this coming from, you know, you, you like so it's a very dynamic system. It's not just the tendon. It's, it's you have to look at all things. I imagine that makes it like you said it can make it a lot harder to really pin down where these changes are coming from minutes. A lot more layered system, than just one plus one, right? And it goes back to zingers like it like you just said, oh, it's happening faster than the tendon can remodel. A lot of that's actually from our from this kind of feeling that we have this information, or, or maybe some the older work where we know that. Oh, well, tendon takes a long time to turn over. There's this idea that a ten is very slow and turning over the youthful work from Kathy Hanan Meyer, who showed that the core of the Chili's tendon doesn't change after older than seventeen years old. But there's new work is coming out. It hasn't come out yet, but it's coming out from Luke loons laboratory in, in Holland. And he's probably one of the top two or three people in the world about protein turnover. And what he's doing is, he's taking people are getting told knee replacements, and he's giving them due to rated water so he can label all the proteins that they make in the two weeks before they're, they're totally replacement they then cut off the top and bottom of the knee. The take that out and his research team is taking that out. And he's looking at bone college. Looking at bone turnover. Cartilage turnover ligament turnover niece, comparing it to muscle, what he found is that the ACL ligament. So the, the answer crucial Lehman. It's turnovers the same as the quadriceps muscle the post your cruciate, ligament. Actually at about fifty percent less turnover. So it's not loaded as much but it's still turning over at a relatively fast rate. So even though we say, oh, these things are happening faster than a tendon can remodel can remodeling is actually extremely fast. You know we've had some success with, with things where people were getting MRI six weeks apart in there looking in there saying, oh my God. What have you been doing because there have been these dramatic changes to your tenants? We know that just, you know, if you go out and you overdo it today, you're gonna have tendonitis, there are dramatic changes that can occur within these tissues in a very short period of time. Yeah that's that's interesting to know actually shoot. I'm going to have to hit you up an Email you after we're done with this to hopefully get some of those studies to put in the show notes because it's just amazing to me, how like fast like some of these things can like the research can change evolve and it's like a new study comes out like like the achilles. Right. If you know that before it's like, well, maybe the calf is taking part of the load more of the load, you know, like the muscles taking more of the load, and that's why this is happening. You know, it's just you don't know what you don't know. And I actually I'm really glad you mentioned that study with Hehmeyer Meyer because I was actually just even. I mean, I get sometimes it make a sumptious, but this idea and I've heard it before, like, if you're going to be an athlete, you really need to train your Fazul system as a first priority. Because like you said at seventeen like that's the max thickness. So it's kind of, like if you spent too much your time doing weight training and other stuff before age, seventeen as opposed to your elastic and speed and sprinting jumping your sport. You would now you can't make up for it. But that's where we know now that that's not that's not entirely true in craft his work is wonderful. So what we think is potentially happening is the core isn't changing too much. It might remodel it might reshape it might have reorientation. But then what you're doing is you're changing things around the core. So you can make the ten in bigger smaller. You can change all of those types of things we have a for that purpose. We have a really we did a really nice case study on professional basketball player, and what we what we did is when the basketball player Akeem in to the NBA when into the NBA combine they, they do 'em. Alright is in both legs on both knees and he was found to have a hole in the middle of his patellar tendon on one of his needs. And then we developed together with his training team and mostly driven by his training team developed the program for them to, to really try and target that one area to try and fix it. And what we found is it just by doing our loading and nutrition program. It over the twelve months following that first Emaar I it completely went away. So the central core of that patellar tendon, which had a hole in it, which was filled with water, and you can see it on the mariah's a white hole that was completely filled in over the period of twelve months. We have people who've done that significantly shorter, which you also saw was that the size of the tendon, close to the Patel, actually went down, because the patella had been inflamed until when you got out the core problem in you, you fixed it the actual core of the tendon or the tendon, close to the teller where the injury was was actually smaller. But if you looked at the mid substance, so if you went halfway down the teller tenant, actually got thicker, so over the twelve months, he played, you know, fifty NBA games as well as the training, we were doing we already changed his patellar, tendon Diam. Hitter for a significantly decreasing at the top increasing it where you would hope to have a bigger stronger tendon. So we know that we can do these things. We know that these things happen, that period of time, the twelve months was simply because you don't wanna put somebody into an Emory all the time we have people who have were work with who, basically within six weeks. They've already seen that kind of change. And so these these transitions are happening really quickly and, and you're getting to the point where you can actually reshape these tissues, relatively robustly them. That's that's interesting to me, so based off that then what is what would you say is the relevance of, of head of research in, in light of that? Like you said, like it's basically like the shape is set or so it's, it's somewhat set. Ed's lake contains lake a tree. So the first few years those the insert rings in your building in the outside of the ring. The other rings that you're adding on as you make that treat bigger and stronger at ages. Those of the things that you can are more dynamic, those that part of the tissue is more dynamic, the censure core part of it. Maybe isn't as dynamic in less you have an injury. So these were all relatively sedentary people. They were well, no for Americans their massively active because they were from Denmark, so they were always, you're always active. They were going around on their bikes. They were doing all these things. The interesting thing about the study is that there were, there were few people who worked on the line at all. It really really low. And so it's entirely possible as those people had a serious achilles tendon injury. And they actually had to go through regeneration and you didn't see the same pattern with those people. So if you're going through normal life. You're not competing in a very high level will never getting damaged the area. There's no reason for us to turn that over because the collagen is still function. But if you're if you're loading if you've got lots of new good nutrition, that's supporting this system. You're going to have higher rates of turnover in the rates of turnover going to be high enough so that you're gonna actually see dynamics to the to the signs in functionality of the tenants by see so away and employs carpet farmville, like so it has an impact on it. So the, the function up until that does have an impact, but it's not like the determining factor. Like it's like a core. It's like a. A part of it, but it's, it's a big influence. That's not gonna you can obviously still have plastic changes outside of that. Exactly. So a lot of so I think part of the reason that you might have been thinking of that as it is really hard to change speed in speed as you get past thirteen fourteen years of age until is that potentially because we've already set tendons. And so our stiffness is said. We know that that's not true at all. One of the ways of we know that is that I get the opportunity is part of some of the work that I've done with the USA track and field team is I've had the Archie and talked to a number of incredible coaches, and one of them, John Smith, who is a is a world-class sprint coach. He, he told me, this great story that he can always tell just by listening, whether his female athletes, whenever his female athletes have gone out and wore high heels to a special event, because just three four hours walking around in high heels is enough so that when he hears them, contact the track, you can actually hear a difference ner in how quickly they're, they're contacting the trap, so we, can these things are extremely dynamic, as far as the stiffness as far as we can play with that white dynamically. We can change that within a period of days. Really? Yeah. I think it's awesome. How like that. Neural imprint can carry over based off of yelich, the footwear, and then you, you get out of that. And they're on the track. You still can hear it even in different sues. And it's, it's really cool, how the nervous system wouldn't necessarily be the neural component. Because if I shorten your tended I can make it so that with the same neural input, we can change the stiffness of the system, just because until you've done enough. I can change the, the cross links within the collagen, and that'll stiffen it up into that positional. So if you put yourself into a cast for a few days, and you get yourself out of the cast is really stiffen sore. We wake up in the morning, we're feeling like, oh my God really stiff after a few steps you're gonna break down. What you've done in that in the in the time when you've been sleeping, but if you're constructing your muscle in your tended into a shorter position for a while, and you're walking around, you're using it normally you're. Going to develop process, you're gonna develop changes within the tissue. Then then you need to mitigate in some way or. You're going to see consequences of that zone of the consequences are good. Like you're gonna be maybe a step faster a little half step faster. Course data faster. Some of them are potentially bad. Like there's a potential for a greater risk of injury. You're listening to the dislike performance podcast brought to you by simply faster. Yeah, thanks for clarifying that Keith because so basically, you're saying that like the effect of the heels was more like the compression of the mechanical compression of the foot more than the nervous system like being in a mode by being on the tow. Like you're, you're compressing like a cast if you will that ports over for the next day. Yeah. So it's just that you've got you've got this. It's not a compression, release just a shortening of the of the Gillies. Oh, yeah. That too, that too. So it's just a shortening of the achilles that the Killys is now shorten so the same muscle tension. You've got a shorter achilles, and that's going to then if you do that long enough, that's gonna change the mechanics of the muscle tendon unit. Gotcha back in. You have to go through a full range of motion. It's not going to have the same compliance stiffness that you would be used to from from everything else, you'd done. Cool perfect that the that makes that makes perfect sense now and to speak into that, like the tissue lengths in all these things. So the first we've alluded to you've alluded. As you've talked to ready. But I think there's this big thing between ten stiffness and compliance. And you were talking about how closer to the bone it can be one type of thing in closer to the muscle. It's another. But is there really like a general setting like, like this ten this ten will generally get stiffer generally get more compliant by this type of training? And is that something we will shake that out for health or performance? How does that matter in the context of training and performance of what changes we can make? You're so it's great question. So it goes to the basis of what is so the, the biggest question there is, what is the how do you change the stiffness of Titian? So so stiffness in these tissues is determined by the collagen, content and orientation, so how much collagen is there and how it's oriented. So that's a really really important component. Because if I have more collagen, I can have I have the potential to have more stiffness but I don't always get more stiffness because that's only one component of it. So I've got my collagen contents on one side, and then what you have is you have the collagen molecules there. These beautiful spiraled molecules, the are, are brought together in a really regular pattern. And there are regular pattern there. There's overlap between the fibers and those fibers are cross linked. And so that means that they're connected together by an enzyme, which. Which connects to amino acids between the two collagen molecules, and that provides the kind of they just provides the attachment between them and then they're organizing see structures as you get up to the the fibers, and then the, the, you get facet goals, and then the facet goals are actually can slide relative to each other as well. And those are linked together by cross links in by other by other things that are were just starting to begin to understand, and so. What we know is that as you have more crossings you get more stiff collagen. So you can have the same amount of collagen protein, if I cross link it more I just made it stiffer. So now we've got two ways we can control this, the Hina matter study, only looked at the collagen content. So it's only looking at collagen. So is the college, they're the same college that used to be there months years or decades ago. What you're not seen is you're not seeing the cross link component across land component is something that we changed dramatically with our activity, and also by what we eat, and how much enzyme activity that we have. Okay, so, so the, the main enzyme for cross linking collagen, since I'm called lice locks. And so that enzyme is really really important. It's a copper containing enzyme, and it uses. Well, and that's one of the first components of it. There's a. Second enzyme is really important called pro Leo hydroxy that one's really important, and not one is the one that we need vitamin c for, because that one is important, not for across linking. The collagen, it does cross link a little bit, but it was most important for his actually making college. So if you don't have parochial hydraulics, a high profile hydroxy lays and vitamin C. You don't make an expert college, too. That's where that comes in. So that's making collagen. And then what you have is you have this enzyme lights, lock states, which Crossley since the other the more lice locks, as you have the more Crossley. She get the stiffer the tissue or it's totally do when we exercise. Any type of exercise we do, we're going to increase the amount of LifeLock's today so that we have. So that's the enzyme is gonna adding Crossley's. Okay. So if we're just doing exercise we're doing regular exercise, you have this potential to increase lock cities, and accumulate more and more crossings. The other side of it though is that when we're doing our activities. We have the capacity to break down our across the way that it works is that as our muscles contract as we talked about earlier when I said that if we pull a tendon fast, it's stiffer, and we'd plantain unless fast, it's less stiff. If I load my tendon quickly, my college in all the collagen in my tendon, works as a sheet, and it just pulls with the muscle. There's no shear forces. There's nothing else really going. It's just working as one unified groupie when that happens, we don't break down any crossings. We've done exercise lice locks. Today's has gone up, so we're adding processing sin. So when we do really fast, exercise, we don't break crossings or adding more processes were getting stiffer, if instead I do the exact same exercise, but I do it slower or do it in metric way. Now when I get his, I get the collagen within my tendon the facet of the college molecules start sliding relatives tweets other. Because anybody remembers who's done wall sit where you sit on a wall, and you put your knees at ninety degree angle, and your hips at ninety Granville search the burn after awhile, and the reason is starts to burn is because the tendon is starting to relax. Let's the ten is relaxing, what we're getting we're getting sliding things aren't sliding equally. The muscle is pulling really hard. The tenant is kind of sliding and you're getting this call this property of Visco elastic called creep, which he creeps down, slowly in it becomes you longer overtime. When that happens, we get these sliding the sliding breaks cross links in. So now what we've done is we've broken crossings, then we're going to get lice locks. Today's to add some back. But if we've done it, right. And this is our goal what we've done is we've broken more than we've re re synthesized the result. Is that we've decreased cross links in remember, cross links caused the collagen to be stiffer? So by doing a slow movement. We've made it less stiff in tendon, in, in the collagen in the tendon and in a fast movement. We haven't broken cross. Them's we've increased crossing still we made it stiffer. So in the tendon, if we load fast, we get a stiffer tenant. And if we load slowly, we get a less of them. Done. Okay. I got you. I actually have a good follow off that for you. But before I get to that I actually I had a question with the wall, sit and because I had never heard this before that the burning came from the tendon action. I think from the tendon comes from the muscle contracting. Okay. Gotcha continues to relax the muscles to keep working, and working and working, I got you, as the tendons relaxing, it has to work more and more and more, because I was like, yeah. It's just a lack. The ph of the muscle has like I've, like is there something I've missing hair, the of the Mosul, either, it's just that it's having to continuously work. And you're actually, you know, you're generating a bunch of. Byproducts P H is one of them a one of many different things that are being generated, but so all of those different things are going into kind of this feeling that this burning feeling there, but the reason is Bernie's, because if you're just sitting there doing isometric contraction, you can hold it for a long time. But as you do in the isometric contraction, if your tenant is continuing to lengthen your wants to lesson continue soon as not really isometric in that way to still having a short. You're still having to have all of these cross is moving. And so you're not actually just holding isometric metric. Cool. Yeah. That, that makes good sense to. And so, yeah, because if your muscle was just like locked out and wasn't doing anything. It wouldn't get as tired like it's just hanging out there do that when you're dead does more. So you is mentioned contractions not very metabolic -ly, costly. If you can do it when you're dead. So, so that's again, is, but it's not a choice the metro yeah, that's continuing to shorten as the as the ten in length. That's why it the some isometrics have actually been labeled extreme slows because it's, it's technically an extreme slow. The muscles extremely slowly lengthening to deal with our contracting deal with the lengthening. Exactly. And that's what we say. So I just we just said, the fast movements caused it to be stiffer slow movements caused it to be less stiff, the slowest movement is nicer metric still movement, because you're still getting a shortening. That's why that tends to have the greatest positive effect for the health of the tendon. Cool. Yeah. And that. Makes sense. I've heard so many act dotes on on the ice alone. So wall sit being an elected more into protocols here as we go throughout this one question, I have right right based off that is it of like a. I think of it like training, right? Like maybe you started a program with some long isometric colds, and then you go later on to some fast like some depth jumps or loading like with that is it. I mean, are you kind of is there a counter acting effect or because you're breaking cross links and creating this longer system? Is that create more potential later on for when you do load more quickly and create the sheet like his could it slow set up for long basically, as my question? So good question basically, what you're looking at when you do these types of things is you're looking at. A lot of a lot of what we do, when we work with athletes, as we're looking at their injury history. If I have a super fast athlete who has got lots of muscles non-contact muscles, that, I know that they're, they're having an issue with stiffs, and I'm going to load them more slow than fast. I'm almost gonna do no fast movements at all because they're gonna get fast movement when they're doing their or when they're doing their training. So I can just do protective movements that are designed to keep them from getting those non-contact muscle. If I've got somebody who's never had a non contact multiple who's maybe not quite as fast. Now I can do a combination of lots of fast movements. Try and improve their stiffness improve their speed not necessarily top end speeding proved their stiffness, and then just enough slow movements to keep them healthy enough. And remember, we've only really talked about the tendency so far. So finally doing a client metric, load or a nice much load or any of these low. Loads. I'm not only affecting the tenant. I'm also affecting muscle and there's beautiful work early work from from Lorant where they showed that, look, one of the things that happens in a muscle when I give it a really big load, is I get a huge increase in college, and I'm getting increasing collagen, synthesis and unin decrease in college and degradation. So the matrix around the muscle is actually becoming more, collagen rich and that matrix is now going to these different stronger here. So even if I'm doing an asymmetric in my tendon unloading, my muscle. My muscle is still has to prevent the shear forces that we want the tendon way that it does it is improves the connection between the fibers one of the things it does do that as it increases collagen content. Some of the other force transfer pro teams. Now what you've got is. You've got a muscle, that's better able to deal with the loading and you've got a tendon. That's now less stiff muscles. Sle is probably more stiff. And now the combination gives you. Maybe not a dramatic change in the overall stiffness of the system, but it's kind of very big affect on injury prevention. Because now we've made our muscle little bit tougher, essentially, and our tendon, little bit less stiff along the muslin. So as more protective of the muscle, the result is you're going to see a significant decrease in non contact muscles, cool and back to that cave back to that player saying who comes in and has a lot of muscle pulls. They have a stiffness issue, and you're saying, you're, you're giving them slower. Does that mean their, their tendons are too stiff and you're trying to kind of be allow that ten into breakdown in poll more? Or get more. Essentially, so, so one of the biggest things we see in tons, and tons of athletes across different sports. The faster person is the more multiples, again. And one of the things that we also see is that we women get eighty five percents, your hamstring Kohl's and groin polls. The men do and again, one of the things we know about women. Is that estrogen? We've shown in our laboratory easing are engineered ligaments estrogen directly inhibits the enzyme Leisa laxatives, which is the cross linking union. So the women, what that means is that they're tendons are less stiff pharmacist a little bit lower as a result, their power base before, but they get fewer muscles. So that's great promise. That's the same college in this in their knee. And so now what they've got is. They've got four plus full more ACL ruptures, because the same enzyme that's being inhibited in the tendon in protecting. The muscle from polling is the same enzyme this going to make the ligament, less stiff and more lax got. Could result in more lease yell rauscher's. So, so you've we understand this, this information's out there. It's just a matter of making sure that people are putting it together in a way that you can now structure, something that's going to be a little bit more useful in how you would put something together for an athlete because really what you're trying to do for the men as you're trying to decrease muscles. But, you know that the ligaments are going to be quite and that knee is going to be quite why. Stiff, you're not gonna have too much laxity in the knee. Because again, they don't have the same Ronal situation as a result, more cross linking in the in the ligament, the more cross linking the better because a tighter joint means fewer injuries. If you have a one point three millimeter increasing laxity in the knee, your four to six fold greater likelihood of an ACL rupture. So for ligaments, I want him to be as tight as possible for muscle, if my, my ten is stiffer than my muscle is strong. I'm gonna instead of the tendons stretching when I hit the ground the muscle is going to have to stretch when I hit the ground, and that's a high, or lengthening contraction. And that's when we get those these Ma I got ya. Oh, that's interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way at all. But that, that makes perfect sense. I, I was gonna say to the women I'd never heard that before. It's like working in track. Should've known that, you know, it actually invest surprised a little bit. But now you sound like you know, I think you know, you're definitely right? But that's what they say in track. It's like they'll say we'll strength train women deeper in the season than men, like because they need it, and to me, it's like most they needed to keep the stiffness, higher, relative to men who don't need that as much later just from a pure performance stiffness stamp like that would make sense. Right. And then. I was gonna ask you to about like so you we've talked about is symmetric and slice metrics is as use for creating a longer like more compliant tendon. But so to make a stiffer tenement. I'm suing. That's just heavyweight lifting or rapid heavyweight lifting apply metrics is there anything, that's kind of. So it's so we know from force philosophy relationship, that at the heavier a go slower. I go, what will we talked about, is that if I wanna get faster if I wanna increase stiffness, I need to have a fast until there's data there that shows it look the biggest performance benefit is max power work is better than biometrics. Is this zero to thirty percents of your one rep max as fast as you can move, and that's where we see the biggest effect because again the velocities, the key thing? So when I'm strength training when I'm talking to strength coaches. I try to make them understand the normally what a strength coach does. They look at what they control they can control. They control the volume they control the load and they control the frequency. So those are the things are doing how many times a week, how much you lifting and, and really those are the and then how how many sets are you doing? So we're look. Looking at at performance based word if you're looking to increase stiffness, your increase performance, what you wanna do is you need to we're actually not we're not programming. Any of those things where using those things as a tool to actually control? The thing that we're most interested in programming, which is velocity. So if I'm going to do a lift, I'm gonna use a weight this going to either make me go slowly because it's a heavyweight, and that's gonna protect my tenants from and muscles from injury. Or I'm gonna use a, a low weight, and I had a move as fast as I can the result is going to be that. Now what I'm gonna do is I'm going to get this high-velocity movement that high velocity movement is now going to increase the stiffness, which is going to increase performance. It's going to potentially put somebody at more of a risk for injury. So what we're really doing. We're programming is the strength. Coach is were programming velocity. And that's the key components. So when you're programming velocity you don't do as many repetitions in a set and you don't do as many sets because you can't maintain the Las thief as, as, as well if you do lots and lots of repetitions, that's get stuff. I and I it's good to have that in the memory banks, and then as well as two I wanted to ask you. This was a common exercise in track and field. That's bec-, it's becoming more comment. And the original guy in this podcast, Alex notaire who pioneered it. And then other people colleagues of mine who are using it or getting the same results of improved. Top end speed in track and field athletes. And that's like a, a maximal isometric push where you're basically, you're on a Smith machine the bars on your back and your foot is on a block your toes on at your heels, free, and your leg is about the angle that would be as your foot passes undoing sprinting, and it's short push as hard as you can into the, the pin, so like an overcoming isometric and. And basically what we said like, I'm curious what effect that has you've talked a little bit on the muscle tendon. Interaction. I'm kind of curious how that hits that stiffness. Piecing with rice, and metrics is the overcoming isometric. There's the holy nice metrics. There's, there's the resisting isometrics. The key thing with ice. Metrics is less, so whether we're developing, whether we're holding whether we're resisting in much more so about how long we're holding for. So in the in the type of work that you're talking about we're trying to develop speed. You're just gonna do an isometric but it's gonna last really, really short. It's the snap of finger. You just can push up as hard as you candidate going to hold it for less than a second. You're gonna come back when I talk nice symmetric for a health based movement. I'm talking about a thirty second hole. Again, the reason is, is based on the mechanics of the tissue. What happens in what you're talking about what you're doing a very short. Push. It's not an isometric in the sense that, yes, the length of the joint doesn't change. So technically, it's a nice metric, which just like we talked about, when you do as a wall set the muscle is short, even though you're holding it for thirty seconds in your in the accelerator, basically, what you're doing is, you're exceleron, and the muscle is taking up all the slack in the system pushing up as hard, as you can in the near letting go that whole thing, the muscle tendon unit or shortening, that whole time until the design, there is to stiffen the muscle tendon unit as, as a unit when you're doing when I'm talking about for healthy movement, for, for health or repair of an injured tendon, what we do is we use a very long isometric coal. The reason we do that is because of that property that we talked to utterly which was that. Visco elastic creek. Creep in attended means if I pull it, my whole it a certain length. And a measure the tension between the two ends the tendon, and I hold it there over time. What else is that the ten she goes up really high when I pull it, and then it goes through this relax ation miss an exponential relaxation, and the relaxation kind of gets to the bottom, where the tension is as low as possible around thirty seconds. So it's about forty five percent of the pension within the tendon is released in the first thirty seconds. If I go out two hundred and eighty seconds, it only releases maybe five percent more of the tension, that's why when you go and you I know I'm sure none of your podcast listeners do it anymore, but you hold a along static stretch. You go in you reach for your Tope. You hold it for thirty seconds, twenty three seconds. And then you reach again now you can go further. All you've done is, you've done the creep, and then you take advantage of others less tension there. So now I'm gonna pull on it again. And, and I can let my muscle tendon unit together can stretch further all you've done is relaxed the tendon. And you've gotten this creep when we're talking about a healthy move where we're gonna get sliding of the collagen molecules. We need to get in said zone where we're getting creep when you're talking about a performance movement. Technically isometric, because the joints, not moving the must certainly not a symmetric that the Muslim shortening his quickly. It's hard as it can. Which is exactly what it does when you hit the ground when you're running full speed. Your muscle contracts isometric look, beautiful work from from Tom Roberts is shown that when you're running, the muscle contracts symmetrically, the tendon, stretches recoils lease the Catholics, some of the other muscles as well. But. That's really what you're modeling when you do. The really quick Smith machine. Accelerated Kush yet tonight symmetric because the joint doesn't move the muscles not ice. You're listening to the just live performance podcast brought to you by simply faster. Gotcha. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Like imagine like the it's almost like the you have a rubber band, and the muscle is like your hand. Pulling the rubber band up when inside the, the body. Can't see it. But when you go nowhere, but that you like you said, it's the same thing happens in running, you're basically just using that mode to teach the system to create tension faster as a whole. Create their isometric. So he can store energy within your tendon call. Well, what? We're that's that's awesome stuff. I think's for put that out there and you mentioned stretching to because so I wanted to get into that a little bit with static stretching because it is it is still people do still talk about it. And I, I haven't heard like it is, it's almost more the tendon than it is the muscle or it is like you said, it is more the tendon than the muscle like could you go into that a little bit? And then one of the things I was have been curious about specifically is like the achilles like if you were to stretch the achilles a lot. Is that going to the tendon the creep gonna like have a long-term effect on feedback loops? Like I hope I didn't complicate the question. But I'm just kind of curious stretching and all that you hit a bunch of things there. So, so basically the idea behind the static stretches. It. People say, if you ask them, why they statically stretch is all decrease injuries while there's a beautiful meta-analysis it shows that if you do static stretching has no affect on injury rate, if you do heavy strength, training, decreased as injury raped by two-thirds, the heavy straight journey. Again velocity is low. You're getting the low slow movements, and they're going to be the stretching isn't doing that. And part of it is because of what you said at the end this idea of feedback loops. So I always use the example of, of NCWA gymnastics, because the women in double gymnastics, probably some of the most flexible women in sports at the college level. So if you look at these women, they do a lot of static stretching a lot of static stretching on the cap the last year, they had seventeen women who ruptured achilles thin. So if stretching is really going to be really beneficial for explosive performance. That's the, the group that stretches more than anybody else. And yet here they are rupturing the Killys, what we think is happening is when you're stretching in order to get in that position is not that the tendon and muscle are actually changing too much the mechanics of the tendon, muscle interface. Don't seem to change, what seems to happen is there seems to be override between the brain and the spinal reflex, that is normally designed through the goal tenant organs, and the muscle spindles where you can rapidly respond to changes in the muscle and tendon length. When we stretched, what we're doing his overriding, the reflects the CEO. No, this is normal. And so we're getting less of the reflex arc, so we're getting less energy through the reflects art. So when we hit the ground flawn explosive movement, we don't turn on the reflexes as quickly, the result is that we don't protect the tendon the way that it needs to be protected by co contractual, these muscular muscles that are going to stabilize the joint, and that's going to stabilize the joint pretend protects from injury. While if you if you have this trend of chronic override on the on these reflexes, what seems to happen is become more prone to getting those injuries because you're not getting the co contraction to stabilize the joint at the exact moment that you need to because the reflex is not as. So we don't tend to use the. Strength static type stretching simply because what you're doing with the static stretches your overriding. The muscle spindles in the goal tenant Oregon's. You're not getting the sheer force that we get from a contraction, where we hold a contraction you're gonna get more sliding because the muscle is contracting. And when the muscles contracting, we're getting getting different signals from the muscle spindles, and from the gold attendant Aures. And so what that means is when we use a muscle contraction to get this type of stretch on the tendon, we're gonna get a different overall system affect than if we just use a passive stretch of the system. So it makes sense. Yeah. And, and I really like the, the and I really liked the, the gymnastic illustration too, because I think that illustrates it very perfectly and it makes sense with everything else, you've been talking in, in context of this whole show as well, just like the different how different tissues, or acting under load, and it's, it's, it's definitely. I mean like I said, it's, it's an interesting topic the science, but there's definitely people who are still talking about it. And so I'm glad that you're able to put it under the context of everything that we've been talking about so far, I have two other questions for you. And one of which is kind of a follow up you talking about the isometrics for health. But what's your take on, like a slow a slow e Centric like maybe loaded or motive but like slowly Centric stuff? The protocol the key or the office in protocol is the slow component. And again so all you're getting it if there's beautiful studies at Copenhagen comparing the Alfred Sinise Centric protocol to a heavy strength training protocol. There's no difference between the two. Until really what you're seeing is you're seeing the velocity. The key of the Alfredsson, isn't that Eze Centric because I could do apply metrics e Centric, you're not going to do that, as a health movement for your for your tendon, because the velocity is very different until really what you're doing is, it's the slow is metric component when they say slow isometric that's the part, the slow is the part that we're really interested in. So again, you can do a slow concentrate a slow ice or e Centric, or you can do any symmetric all three seems to be very similar, the reason that we use the isometric is, because that's really allowing the most creed tat happen within the tendon. And especially when we're looking to change the functionality of the tenant, if we could most of all we've talked about are all of what we've talked about his when the tenant is healthy. The real problem happens when we get a tenant injury. And because when we get a tendon injury, basically, what happens is evolutionary. The reason that we have these beautiful structures because we don't have to pass loan through the whole tendon weekend shield, any injured, tendon bit and all the stress roll. The load goes around it like putting a rock into a river. The route the water just goes around the rock the same way that the load goes around the injury. That's great for not rupturing tendon. The problem is that if you, if you don't load it the cells don't know which direction to make collagen, and they make college in all different directions. And that's what we call a scar. It's non-directional college. And so what you have to do in order for the collagen to reorient into read generate functional tendon, which you have to be able to do is you have to get load through the through the tissues of the cells. No, we were supposed to synthesize collagen in this direction. And that's where having the creep is really important because what creep is is. It's all of these college molecules relaxing, the, the facile sliding. What does functionally is? It's because it as the load goes down. Remember we talked about if I pull on it the tension goes up within the ten minute drops in Trump so far that it's now. Now, the whole tendon is now weaker than the scar area. The scar then gets up pull on because now the, the whole tenant is weaker than the scar. And the result is that you get a little pull on the scar directionally oriented along the line of force, and now the cells they that's where the force goes. That's the direction, we need to synthesize collagen. And so that's how we use the long Eissa metrics, or you're using your slow concentric. But the slow concentrate in these Centric, aren't giving you as much of a relaxation argument, you, as much of a creep because there's movement. And as soon as there's movement, you don't get as much of the creep of yet, d-, d simplifies it, and dislike adds more components and more forces and more direction, so whole equation coal. Okay. So last question for you, I know this could probably be a whole show. So maybe like a ten minute answer, but just roll of nutritional this you've you've alluded to before earlier. So role of nutrition for people who are dealing with knees and achilles and trying to get that better or just optimize their own tendon health and performance. So there's definitely a role for nutrition. We know that we know that from the first nutrition study ever performed the first nutrition study ever performed in the seventeen hundreds by this Scottish doctors on a on a ship in basically, all of these sailors were getting scurvy, and they were losing their teeth their scars were coming up their hair will fall out. And so he did it experiment, where he gave all kinds of, really disgusting things to ten of the sailors, and two of them got a lemon into to other citrus fruits and within days, those to the got the lemon this interest. Route got better. So there's obviously a vitamin c on it, but we know from some of the studies that we've done that, that the vitamin c the reason that it works. And the reason is essential is because it, it is mandatory. Geico factor in this pro Lil hydroxy latest, Ray action where we're making collagen. And what it does you can't export collagen from Sal in less. You have that reaction, and every time you have that reaction, you consume a molecule vitamins, too, so it's not that we use it. We can reuse it at res it it's it every time you use it as gone. So when you wake up in the morning what we what we're finding from other studies. We're doing is it looks like your vitamin c content in your in your tissues is really, really low, so that's one component that you have to have you have to have some sort of vitamin c. And the other thing that we've been looking at quite extensively is is the role of collagen or gelatin material just dietary collagen are dietary gelatin. The difference between them gelatin is, is basically, it's all collagen, it's all coming from skin, or bones, or connective tissues from either cows, or pork, or chicken or fish. So there's not a vegetarian source of it. That's the number one thing. So what will find a lot with our athletes is, oh, you know what I went vegetarian? Now I'm getting all these, these niggles these ten injuries. These these ligament problems. My knees hurting me more. It's not surprising because they've lost all of their dietary source of collagen. The reason that this is potentially interesting is because, you know, collagen is essentially three amino acids is licensing, its pro lean and is lysine to a large degree there. The glazing is every single third amino acid. It goes licensing any amino acid than appro hard drugs. He rolling so one third of all college in his glazing. So you, you need a lot of you need a good amount of. There's a group out of out of Brazil shown that if you supplement with glazing you can have these great effects, they were giving just Google of this not physiologically possible to do that. No human. But so the glycemic and the paroling are really really important for building in for building this collagen material. When we get up in the morning, we know that we don't have many of these, these nutrients around. We can break some stuff down. But as we as we've talked about before, collagen isn't something is breaking down all the time in our in our body. It's a more one of the more stable proteins in our bodies who are not getting as much turnover there. So we potentially have this need for it always shown, is that as you increase the dietary intake of, of either hydrolysed collagen gelatine and hydrolyzed collagen is just taking the gelatin the device, laid out of the skin bones, and all of those things, and you just use an enzyme to cut it up, so that it no longer forms a gel, and that just means that you can dissolve it in water, you can dissolve it in, in, whatever you're looking to do until we'll be what we've seen is that we did the first study on this in humans, we showed that, if you give fifteen grams of gelatin before you do an activity that's going to increase collagen, synthesis. What we found is that we. Got a nice robust effect. It was probably twice as twice as much as we got from a placebo control. Or we got twice as much of an indicator of collagen synthesis based on arming the fifteen grams of Jellison before we did our exercise. The reason we do it before is because tendons, ligaments, unlike muscle, they don't have as much blood supply to them. So the tenant is relatively vascular. The ligaments are completely vascular. They get their nutrients from the fluid that's around them. And so if you need the nutrients from the fluid in, it's a dense material, you're not going to get in there and less, you're actually squeezing out the liquid that's in it, and then as it recovers, so every time we plan attendant the tending longer, but it gets skinnier. So we squeeze out all the water. That's in it. The one of the things that causes the Crete, and then when we relax it's going to suck up the liquid from the environment. So if we have the nutrients, the glycemic rolling on all. Those things in the environment should be able to stuck those things up with. Well, brings back the liquid and that's going to bring in the nutrients that the cells need to make in college. So we gave those supplements thirty well thirty minutes to an hour before we're gonna do training. And then basically, then you combine that with the loading of the areas that you need to target. So if you're worried about your Killys you're gonna do you, we do six minutes, jump rope. We don't do twenty minutes of jump rope. We do six minutes because you only need a few jumps in order to maximally. Get the stimulus for your for your tenants due to adapt. It only takes about five ten minutes of activity, and then it takes another eight hour six to eight hours of rest before they'll cells will respond again. So ideally, we do something in the morning, we did something in the evening. If you're gonna do a long training Boughton, that's going to be in the morning. I do my little protective session in the evening with I give my nutrition. I can do my nutrition before any session that. Want to? But if I'm gonna do it protected session is only from my tendons, my leaving my connective tissues. It's going to be short session, and I'm going to do an hour before I'm going to have the, the gelatin of the hydrolyzed, collagen, and in that way, will we're trying to do is. We're just trying to provide a loading stimulus this trend of creep stress relaxation loading, the we talk about together with the amino acids that are necessary to build new collagen. Now what we're trying to do is return to fix any damage that secured within the tendon. I Gotcha felt that's awesome stuff. And so, well, one question with all that. So, so vitamin c and then collagen. Is there like a specific gelatin? You said you were giving these athletes as they're like, is there any guidelines when going out and get like I do like a bone broth collagen supplement. I mean, is there any way to Missouri guidelines on supplements? It doesn't necessarily, we don't know that there's a difference between brands we don't know that there's a difference between gelatin in hydrolyzed collagen. It does seem like in different people, some of them, respond, really well, gelatin and not as well to hydrolyzed collagen, so again, maybe some people can absorb it in by just it better in one form or another. But we haven't done all the test necessary to know we haven't even done the test to say, look collagen is better than a way Protei. So we have to do those things, it's still very early days for the collagen nutritional supplementation, there's many more companies touting all of these wonderful benefits than there is actual studies, same. There are actually any benefits and so we're trying to we're trying to stay ahead by by doing many studies on these things we can. I'm but really what we what we would do is we would for a lot of our athletes. They'll take an gelatin fifteen grams, it's going to be in, like a glass of. Orange juice, and the gelatin doesn't dissolve in there. They're just going to take it. And they're just gonna drink it down. It's going to taste audible people do it in the I, I know people who put the gelatin into milk and stir it in, and then they add hot milk. Can they do it in there? They do it in their morning lots and then they have an orange juice with their breakfast. Now they've got both the collagen vitamin C. So people can do a lot of different ways one of the great aunts, or nutritionist that, that I've worked with he was doing it in. He would do it at a in a chocolate dessert. So he would make this really beautiful light mousse. It did had the gelatin in it in it, would it would be gelatin in hydrolysed collagen. But it was in this chocolate dessert, you do it in a lot of different ways. It's beautiful ways to do it. One of the old ways of donors, just eating steak in actually eating the part. That's chewy because that's where we used to get all of these nutrients. We've become lake. Easy in our food, eating as well as everything else. We don't like to actually have to chew on stuff, one of the one of my good friends who used to be the nutritious for the English is to four Ginnie Ginnie peer, sees the she called it, her heighten diet, which is you eat the bones. You eat the cartilage off the end you eat all this stuff that we don't need anymore. And that's that's where you get it from, and that's a completely natural way to get it. We take it as a supplement because people are reluctant taken those of sources in a love economics like in, like the people show animals who can really jump high. It's the Wildcats you know, so maybe something to do with Al now, but it's a good reminder, regardless, like that's I shoot after this podcast. I'm gonna go jump. I'm gonna go in the backyard. Do some lineups for few minutes, drink some more safe. I feel like had. Oh, yeah. Last question. Okay. So it was just a quick little fault. But so you mentioned like doing this for health like a companion session for health, or the supplementation, or anything like could also like if I'm perfectly healthy. And I'm sprinter jumper is want jump higher run faster. Get more to my tendon stiffness same same kind of effect and benefit or so what you're doing there by the collagen is we think we're increasing collagen synthesis. And remember there's two things that go into stiffness there's the collagen content and the organisation, but there's also the cross linking. So if you put it in there, if you are eating it, and you're, and you're doing your training, what you're doing is, you're combining the two things you're combining the increasing collagen synthesis with the potential to cross link which you've made by doing your training for performance. So if I wanted to take an athlete, and I wanna combine these things a perfectly healthy athlete. Now what I'm gonna do is gonna do. Due before their high-quality sessions before their sprint repeats before they're before they're going gonna get in and do they're really high quality work. That's when I'm going to go in and give them the college first thing is gonna do, it's gonna target to the areas that I'm working, it's going to target my hamstring. It's gonna targets other areas and then what is can also do is gonna give me the potential to say, okay. Now, I'm using my loading to give me lots of cross links in those areas where I'm putting those things in because I'm doing the fast movement. So it's combining the two things if I wanna do it for health and robustness now what I could do is I could do slower movements in targeted and, but not be building up the cross links, and that's going to give me the health base opponent. I can do it for performance. I can do it for health in both situations are increasing the robustness of the tissue. But in one situation, you're making it so that your fiction any injuries, and you're in you're making still at you're not as likely to get a muscle and the other you're improving perform. It's the way that we would do it through a season. His is we would be alternating these things so early in the season when it's really about getting the volume of spreads or getting volume of whatever loads were doing now. We're gonna do some protective movements and slow movements together with the together with the intervention. And as we get closer and closer to competition. Now, what we're gonna do during a decrease, though, is we're gonna increase fast moves, and every individual because they have different genetics. And there's a whole genetic component to tendon injury, which is beautifully done by a friend of mine. George Makoni out of out of out of Cape Town, now, he's in now he's in Botswana, but. They had shown beautifully. There's a number of different polymorphism that predisposes you to tendon injury. So if I have to athletes in one of them has a lot of those polymorphism xlt now, I need to know. Okay. They're going to get injured more easily. I'm gonna keep the protective movements later into this season or all the way through the season. This person's never had a muscle. I'm not worried or never had attended injury on a worried about them. I keep the their health face movements lower an really going to Jack up their plastic loader there, max power work as they closer to, to competition outskirts to finish on it, just like that spectrum bandwidth of how to utilize it, discreet way to tie things up Keith. I really appreciate this talk your time. I just I think that the tendon thing like like I mentioned, like, you know, my own project research project, ten years ago, have convoluted some stuff, I think it easily can be. But I think that I you man, you really did a great job, or I really learned a lot from everything. Thing had how you made sense of everything today. So I really appreciate thank you know, it's great, but it was, I'm glad it was understandable. Thanks for joining us today for another episode. Appreciate you guys being here with us and another gym in the tendon, connective tissue lineup of education. I've, I've been so educated by doing this, so it's amazing to be able to sit down with the world experts and just be able to dispel, the put it all together and honestly, and ever since I had this conversation with Dr bar, just a few weeks ago, I've already been implementing these things, and they've been tremendously helpful, and I'm following the line of Jake Jake Tara's down the stuff and he's got tremendous benefits and health from it. And I'm sure that you guys are going to get some things out of as well. 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Clinical Podcast: Think Before You 310 | Dr. Neil Sheth

Evidence In Motion Clinical

23:17 min | 1 year ago

Clinical Podcast: Think Before You 310 | Dr. Neil Sheth

"Welcome to the. AM clinical podcast. Your host Dr John. Childs and Dr Mark Sheppard Shepherd. We'll be bringing you interviews with cutting edge forward thinking physical therapy clinicians and leaders the goal to further your knowledge base and bridge the gap of of what was to. What are you ready? Let's go welcome to another edition of the I.. M. Clinical podcast. My name is John Childs and and joined by my co host. Dr Mark Sheppard as always days and we are privileged to have on the show of physical therapist who works actually with us at Texas physical. Therapy specialist Dr Neil. Sheth Neil completed completed the sports residency back in two thousand seventeen or so and really brings a unique perspective to all things certainly physical. Oh therapy but particularly related to strength training and so. We're really looking forward to having Neil on the show neil welcome to the clinical podcast. Thank you guys for having having them really excited so neil to get US kicked off if you would just give us a brief bit about your background maybe where you went to. PT School and sort of how you got into sort of the path that you're on now. Okay so I went to school in Philadelphia at the University of the sciences. It was a direct program so I actually didn't have to do the. Gre Three in reapply. I was just sixers don which is exciting. After that I was really well by my second year I really wanted to do. A sports. Resin team started looking looking around what I could apply to. and Luckily I am sports residency in Georgetown which XP was open and they took me on and finish that in twenty seventeen after the exam in March twenty eighteen. And now I'm down in San Antonio with one of our sports clinics where I get to mentor. The incoming residents now do a lot of teaching with that. Neil thanks for that background if you would talk a little bit about your perspective on strength with training and sort of where you think strength training sort of fits if you will and where the sort of the state of strength training I asked the question because you know oh manual therapy was sort of the decade of the two thousands and maybe overemphasize perhaps relative to strength training and it seems like the pendulum maybe swinging the other direction. Now where like all everyone talks about is like cross fit and those sorts of things. And it's like it's gone the other way so I'm just curious is like what's your perspective on strength training and what's the state of it within the profession. He adds though this really excited about. If I get to fired up just calm me down if you guys need need but again on tirades in the clinic all the time but as ours when I think I actually think that this is the biggest area that we need to improve on as a profession. Kind of like what you send John Worth starting to swing in the other way. I definitely sealed up but I think a lot of issues are that Patients are under loaded and under dosed as far as strength training principles and a lot of people. Just don't implement proper. Strengthening like thera bands are good to start with his initial seen in acute injuries. But after that initial phase there needs to be a shift to load it and having some awaits actually being put on these patients in. I could see that this so boxes. Something Neil that many people probably will resonate with and you. You know it's interesting because when you're in clinic you see you know thera bands everywhere at you know different types awaits that are usually hand weights right. If you go I went to the everyday. Outpatient clinic are even one within the hospital. It's kind of like those are the staples but you don't really see anything that can actually load people. You the heavyweights and it always kind of bugged me in two different ways one is like why is that the case too is I wasn't really comfortable understanding ending how to load people with squat racks or different types of bar. Waiting things landmine stuff like that. That took some time after I graduate sweet so when you talk about you know where the state of strength training or are really the prescription of exercises like where do you feel like. We miss the mark doc when it comes to these types of things so definitely go with the Swat rack being so at when during residency in Georgetown and even at us or as lane location. I I actually bought thought squat racks for both of those the Knicks in order to low deebo in a when I was little headed that about it but he got the point of it uh but then he was really from the beginning where in school and highly had maybe an hour a week for half a semester of going over any any strength and conditioning related things and that. Just trustees us into the clinic three graduate and we're still doing those eysenck three he by ten therapy and everything similar movements everything. Everyone gets the same cookie cutter approach and there needs to be a shift to that loading being an challenging the patient with actual weights and Neva bodyweight movements is fine but there are just not enough to have any tissue up tation Shen prevent long-term injury in. I think that also comes back to us practising what we preach. I liked to Charles Myself personally in the gym and with other colleagues of mine as far as Hauer thinking about exercise dosage. How a training myself in it leaks into how I treat? Patients Asia's Neil. Could you expand on this a little bit like you give in clinical example of like how you are implementing proper dosage. This is general as it relates to. Let's say strengthening someone's quadriceps muscle if they're coming in for let's say anterior knee pain like how does that look from your perspective when you're dosing dosing. Is it okay that provide a case about actually have a really good one for nepean young So with this. He's like a thirty three year. Old Male in the navy is all him a year after he fell on his knee and has had an tierney pain. Ever since and through the medical carousel paracel he was just prescribed straight leg. Raises and Claude sets for a whole year a whole year. That Yup and he's never done anything else using unlike multiple providers that have changed anything else. So let me stop you there. So you're telling me. Has He seen the physical therapist before this time he saw one. Yeah Yeah Oh man for a short time that kills me to know that the two exercises were still kind of on his radar but anyway. That's crazy yeah so he had no audio to do and he is in the navy he was off duty getting ready to go back to think Iraq Many leaves at the end of this month so he can squat lower than maybe like fifty degrees of neath luncheon. He tries running he kinda Gallup's because he doesn't want to bend that knee so I'm getting some of this very avoid. We didn't an week in doing things that he needs to do with him. I we do something called the Quad Index and we have a makeshift shift version with a hand held item. OMETER cheap way to do it but it works that so there's research out there especially for post. The minimum criteria needed to running is actually eight weeks and eighty percent index. So we use that. Eighty percent is our measurement to start any metrics or impact work. He we started at a at thirty percent. Thirty eight or twenty seven something like that and yeah really really low. So where I started with him outside of the cloud. Odd Settings settings. Good right especially on your continuum it's good for activation in the new progressive straight leg raises for your control and then after that you again to strength endurance endurance. He'd Kinda like that stair stepping progression over him we used. We started off a lot because of his pain with movement. We start a lot with Jafar Ayar flourished and just loading him with bodyweight movement squats split lunges straight leg raise and then eventually eventually shifts to adding weight to all those movements and making sure on his scale on what I do. A lot of patients is and use the rate of preserved exertion. So if it's something I really want them and the challenge you had told me I want it eight plus nine hundred ten anywhere in that range and if it's not there for them we just keep increasing until it's a heavy enough weight where they're actually pushing themselves not just going through the movement. That's interesting meal like so you're telling me that you're using the R.. P. To actually actually understand the reps and potentially sets for which you does your patients is that kind of how you're using yes so with the RPG round like eighty plus. It's usually definitely more my strength side or even power so I the schemes typically x amount of sets for anywhere between two to five Canadian. Six wraps her up and then if I want to get a little bit later on there are definitely increased volume for movement pattern. That were working. Oh that's cool so you know to me it would make sense. That may not be the same number going back to your statement about the three sets at ten Dan. You know that you kinda see everybody's flow chart you know potentially So yours look a bit messy. If this was documented. They're not clean. Three by ten three by tens is something I get so upset about in the clinics and we even have a table that we all work on an I wrote are actually one of my residents wrote. Think before you buy I ten has to me if everything on your flow sheet is three by ten to me. It's lazy programming. Your there's no intent behind find what you're prescribing and my floggings are definitely messy every day. There's I don't write all the way on the left side. I don't know how your flu she'd looks on the left column elements of Big Open Blank. Were most people just write back through size and then it just carries on through that entire life of that flashy for me. I leave that that left side blanket. I write in each for specific day. What I'm working on with my plan is which exercise are going to help achieve that goal and definitely the numbers are very off kilter? There's some people who do like a four by seven five three or five. I even play a lot with strength and conditioning in the clinic to every minute on the minute at a certain load of do Amr APPs so definitely. The flu sheets varied day all over the place. There's intent behind the entire goal. Now is a great discussion and you know as you talk about like this case for example you know number one. I hope you consider perhaps publishing it if you're able to do that. So the researcher in me can't not suggest that so it's thing you can share and on that note what sort of of resources the you lean on whether it be journal articles are the particular authors that you follow when it comes to all things you know how to train patients and athletes in evidence informed sorts of ways. What are the resources that are your go to? I'm definitely big on social media. I follow a lot of physical therapists percent. Strength and conditioning coaches. Some of the big ones as far as in the P. T. Rome that put out a lot of content. Is Dan Laurenz or Eric. Mira or even Mike Reimann on those people I follow. That always have a good tweeter instagram post about it. Even John Rawson has really good things breath. I also have my strength and conditioning Certification so I do rely on the NFC as website as far as articles that are coming out and Alikhan challenge different athletic populations in the clinic. So those are my big ones even J. O. S. P. T. R. J. P. T. are a good example if those that are APD members and then on that note that same train of thought you know. I know you provide a lot of mentorship to residents. So what sort of structure do you have them reading articles on a regular basis. Are You doing journal clubs or you know what's the contemporary way that you really help mentor mentor. Your residents to keep up with the latest knowledge is their email subscription. I'm just trying to think about you know the tools that you know. Residents in clinicians clinician can use to keep up with the evidence for us the way it's structured is. We have rounds on Tuesdays and Fridays like a clinic wide teaching where one one person one of the staff there. History will teach and sometimes the resin. Sometimes it's us so we'll get some of that they're also provide a lot of articles that I come across and I'll just forwarded forwarded them and say hey. Tell me what you think read this and also the big thing that I do a lot which I actually for my mentor during residency is l.. Grab their While they're in clinic and I'm questioning. Why this why that make sure there's intense just not the rebuy ten just because it's an easy number so something we'd early on in the residency is kind of I mentioned before that stepwise progression so if you draw stairs on a piece of paper it's is five steps? The bottom line will be activation if you can turn on the muscle that year intending to then control is the next one on this. This step which is can you turn on while going through a prescribed or set range of motion after that then it gets into strengthening and where can they turn it on and control it through a range of motion with A load and then at that point eight unions a strength and conditioning principles principals where it's creative in eighty percent. RPM sets anywhere reps between for less than twelve after that on your stepwise progression. It goes gender and so on and so then you start incorporating the time under tension component and for development there and the residents. They understand that step and they can visualize. It was easy to teach off that for us. I love that structure their Neil. You know it's always good to have you know a foundation to build off of like you said you know the intent behind the exercise to me is so important Martin because you're just going through a flow sheet just because he can doesn't mean it needs to be done and really over the years challenge myself I self to be able to look at an exercise and say you know what are my goals with this. Am I trying to go for motor control or am I trying to actually look at Playa Lyon metric strengthen training you know what is it in my trying to get back in. I always try to think about how that relates back to the patient's goals in with this in mind and you know as I've mentored fellows in this type of domain. What are some of the questions are challenging your resonance with that you know maybe for the listener could start to almost no cell challenge like what are your top two Kinda like questions that you use challenge a residence African on how I really liked that one and top to be hard definitely the easiest question I asked them when? I'm looking at the Y.. Y This exercise. What's the goal all of the sizes? Are you going for Quad. Strength that you're going for loading that tendon in a certain range of motion and so on the other question would be what exercises can get this patient to get better when our functional Asterik is their goal in like I get back into which movement patterns that you need to work which muscles need to be addressed in a specific range of motion. Even that can get into the rabbit hole about technique and form because there are a lot of side rant a lot of times I see gre squatter box squats where you're Russian angle are kind of where your TV is in relation to the rest of the body. It's what you would call the negative gene angle where it's leaned back in that Claude that needs barely bending and this nor doors e budgets mainly planner flex movement. And when you see that. There's no loading to that. Antea chain in any way. And when you you ask a patient when you do that for three ten for however long you do it and then go on to have him. Try An actual squat. They don't have the strength for and people are surprised. Surprised that they don't have the strength. But when you look back at the things you are working on. They weren't there to build them into that movement pattern. Sorry I I know how. The ran on the sideline think amassing by residents. Neil one question I had you mentioned Blood flow restriction. Therapy a little bit earlier. So I'd I'd be curious to hear your perspective on be Afar and what is application is. Is it the latest fad. That's going to go away or do you think this is something that's going to be the mainstream to continue to have an impact on Rehab. So I love the BEF are. I think it's awesome is definitely not comfortable. I don't know if you guys have ever tried it. Try Hi is one of the worst experiences you can have In new this for our listeners who may not be familiar with the Afar do you mind just kind of describing the application location and how it as far as blur section. So you're including in attendance. Oh legs or arms in the ideas your type. Two muscle pipers the one year for strength and power there mainly anaerobic muscles so the exclusion provided by that cuff creatine environment. Because there's no blood flow. Oh prison environment you just activate those muscle fibers a lot quicker bursar going through the normal pattern of type one type two eggs or type two B and going in that pattern you can just go right to those type two fibers in tennis. Get the type. One in what research has shown is that people can get the same strength benefits as you would with the eighty percent. One Rep Max Movement as you can with Bihar when you're at twenty to thirty percent so it's definitely really exciting to us is with those acute injuries or conditions where maybe that tendon or ligament. That must've just not ready to be loaded heavily in. That's what's kind of application I use it in. Is that acute phase where like that. Haitian I mentioned where move painful. The blood flow restriction is. He's definitely got me. Where or him where he needed to get? And get us out of that. Fear Avoidance and pain three range after a certain point. That is something I also kind of discharge away from and move onto actual loading. I'm sure on the actual research about it. The research search about it regarding tendon health so the big issue with if someone reuse steroids. And what I think the Afar is that you don't load the tendon heavy enough you'll get the muscle strength gains but that tendon that connects to the muscle is not getting enough load as well. So that's why shift to Actual load in movements like a barbell squatter deadliest or anything like that. Additionally with the B Afar there is some research that shows a Hazo in Jesus affect so it could be just because that is so uncomfortable but a lot of painful movements and become pain-free and it's really exciting to get people people to see them. Oh I can squad full depth. Now is no knee pain or Hick and lift my arm or overhead price. And there's no pain so that's really exciting. What I like to use it for awesome? Thank you for that perspective. There kneel on you know. There's a lot of things that we kind of covered here when it comes to strength training where you know you talk about a foundation nations to look towards intent behind your exercise and then even you know looking at the tools that we can use to assess for for strengthening talk about quantity next and how that klay a role in your prescription using F. R. as long as you know other types of Exercise equipment beyond. Just you know the Therre band so as we look at closing up our conversation here kind of want you to look futuristic. Here what is the one thing you think he can do. Better with strength training like if you could could click your hand around it densify the one thing we need to be looking towards. What is that if definitely loading actual loading the patient Dan? A guy even have an eighty five year old lady who had a tk and she's doing twenty five pound blocks squads so loading is the one thing that people or physical therapists need to challenge themselves more within the clinic. Even if you are still three by ten bandwagon it has to be eh three by ten but with the load where it would. RPI that challenge and it's just not three by ten. Because I'm busy. I need to get my notes dawn. I got another patient Asian here it has to be load in in ten love that Neil thanks again for kind of reiterating that piece kind of showing the context on how loading loading is so important within our context and that we need to do a really good job of staying on top of that so we appreciate you coming on her podcast chatting with both myself. I'm John and we look forward to hopefully get back on to discuss. Maybe some of these topics a bit further in the future. Thanks him love that. Thank you guys for having me. Thanks for joining us now. Man It is so essential that we challenge ourselves to have intent in sound reasoning when loading our patients and as he could see from our discussions. Here Neil really brought up some great points highlighting these principles and hopefully does resonated with you. I know it did for me personally. And I can't think after this type of episode any any more clearly that it is so essential for us to optimally lower patients and to think before we three by ten tab as always thanks for listening to another episode of the clinical podcasts. You're listening to the EM clinical podcast with Dr John Childs and Dr Mark Sheppard for more information on the podcast ask guests and the latest physical therapy visit. WWW DOT evidence in motion dot com slash blog. If you like this episode be sure to subscribe like rate and review on your fevered. PODCAST directory

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"The Tastiest Nootropic!" Why Schisandra is the Adaptogenic Herb for Vain and Antifragile Biohackers

Limitless Mindset

19:37 min | 9 months ago

"The Tastiest Nootropic!" Why Schisandra is the Adaptogenic Herb for Vain and Antifragile Biohackers

"Hey this is Jonathan with limitless mindset and this is my bio hacker review of Sandra can nieces by lost empire herbs. And S- CASSANDRA is the tastiest neutral. Pick I've tried well over one hundred different neutral at this point many many powders and this is the best tasting one Barna and it's also one of my favorite adapted. Genyk neutral becks. Me In this video I will break down. Why and then. I'm also going to summarize some of the recent science that has been done on it because we want to look at what is the evidence that is emerging. We're GONNA look at. What is the evidence that that has come about it a recently since I did my deep dive podcast on it? My favorite way to use CASSANDRA is in concert with two other adapted jains which are Rodeo and Eleuthera and these three together are kind of like a trinity of really high quality full spectrum empowering herbs adapt aginst more specifically so these are plants that they come from places in the world where okay so plants are kind of like humans if you will face adversity it makes them stronger. It makes them better. It creates a anti fragile molecular mechanisms within them and when we consume these natural herbal medicines than it makes us more anti fragile. That's kind of a summary of how adapted work. You are going to want to check out by PODCASTS that I've done about that so I like to use this cocktail of three together. S- CASSANDRA Rodeo and Eleuthera. I will link to those three below so that you can pick them up at try this for yourself. Because I think you'll like it and these three together in a t make for the kind of t that that honestly if you wanted to you could do something really crazy and you could give up coffee. That's right I know I know nuts right. Don't ban me youtube. Don't ban me youtube. I know I'm talking a little bit crazy but I will from time to time cycle off of coffee because I just want to reset that caffeine tolerance and if I can get my hands on these three ingredients these three adopted. Jones consume them in the morning on an empty stomach. And I find that the the energizing effect that they have the wakefulness affected these three together. It's really kind of like a replacement of coffee and I've also noticed different times in my life that I tried to cycle off a coffee that tried to go off of cock coffee cold Turkey where I was just waking up and drinking water or or or whatever found that I would have caffeine withdrawals of all the drugs that have tried in my life. Going off of coffee is the one thing that actually kind of gives me gives me unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. But I found that when I was doing what I call this. Adapt to thirty two. T which is the T. comprised of S- Cassandra Rodeo Eleuthera Eleuthera Aka Siberian Ginseng. I found that when I went off of coffee that I didn't have really much of an issue at all with the caffeine withdrawals which is kind of interesting. I've yet to find a study that really explained. Why the adapted jains account for that. You're earning that our biology has for the one two three seven trimethyl Zana Thing Aka caffeine the first distinctive thing about Cassandra. Is it taste? It has a distinctive five flavor tastes that I'm surprised has not been more commercialized. The subjective experience of adapt degen's is quite subtle compared to other smart drugs. I've used my extensive reading on. The adapted has led me to believe that they are more of a long term health and longevity strategy then instant satisfaction performance enhancers. I don't feel significantly more energized focused or motivated while dosed the subjective neutral BEC- experience with adapted. Like this is a lot more subtle. There's stimulatory highly stimulatory nutro pick and smart drugs out there that are going to give you a lot of wakefulness. That are gonNA maybe even kind of give you an Z. T. forty-eight kind of effect and with the adapter you can expect them more to kind of keep you level headed and you can expect them to support a nice balanced mood but I'm going to try my adapted Genyk Radhia infused immutable enhancing t. Now Oh babe this is pretty good actually stop one bad. You gotta try it. You're lying but I would reach for something else if I really wanted to be energized if I really wanted my cognition to get like pushed up by several measures so that could take on like really challenging programming logical. I Dunno web development. Seo task something like that. I would probably reach four more of the classic cognitive enhancers whereas my research on the adapt. Degen's and I have read two books on them. Leads me to believe that these are more of a long term health and longevity type of tool but you really have to kind of try them for yourself and see if you get a real nice subjective experience from them now. I'm going to summarize some of the recent science and findings from clinical trials that have been done on. S- CASSANDRA so I'm pubmed over. One thousand scientific papers are published about it and I'll get into the recent stuff. A twenty twenty animal study identified it as a Mike. Okon drill neutral in combination with vitamin C. That's powdered vitamin C. 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Korean women found that one thousand milligrams increased leg strength over time quote. Supplementation of Cassandra Kennison's extract may help to improve quadriceps muscle strength as well as decrease lactate levels at rest in adult women a twenty six teen human clinical trial was done in. Seoul South Korea with forty one women and used a randomized double blind placebo control methodology to evaluate ski- Sandra's effect in assuaging unpleasant menopause symptoms in the women. And here's what it concluded. Cassandra NIECES can be a safe and effective complementary medicine for menopausal symptoms especially for hot flashes sweating and heart palpitations. So the study is saying that. Cassandra is a great buyer Hawk for Menopausal Women. And in fact I think that's Cassandra. Is One of the very best adapted genyk herbs for women? I have shared. S- CASSANDRA I've given it to my wife for quite a while now and I have noticed that it improves her skin a bit. Which is one of the common effects of Sandra? There's somewhere in the traditional Chinese medicine where they said if you are vain and you want to become more beautiful and youthful than Deuce Cassandra four one hundred days and green peas. No no green peas are not a part of it. They're green peas. Really Greenpeace okay anyways. So S- CASSANDRA. I would say that it. It has improved our skin. Maybe I can do a real close up video of my skin. You guys can just peer into my my pores and just you know. Enjoy the the visual. I'm kidding I'm not GONNA do that. Nobody comes to limitless mindset YouTube channel or the biohacking immunity channel for that. We're ready no but I think it has improved my wife's and my skin and then it has also really fired up my wife's libido she just bangs me righteously and a unforgiving impatient way over and over and over again God and she thinks that Greenpeace have something to do with it. But I think it's mostly has to do with the this Cassandra. In fact likes CASSANDRA. So much that I'm considering because it's such a pretty name. I'm considering if I have a daughter. One day I could name my daughters Cassandra evil you are with only i. It's not my job to give birth to it so you'll know movies. But it's such a skit. Sandra such a pretty name. You know you can get can John. You can make a cat's GONNA die. You know well what's our will donate. I really liked the name. Cassandra I think if we have two daughters we can name the first one something you like. And then the second one we can. Name's Cassandra Fair Enough Fair enough right. Cassandra it's a pretty name. I think it's a really pretty name down times because yeah you could do that. I could do that. I love it. It's a great name. That's a pretty name. I could one day see my daughter. Being named S- CASSANDRA rose ladder. Never built out. Cassandra kind of like Cassandra. By like a move more. Unique more unique kind of kind of thing so on a serious note there were three scientific papers published in the past five years that evaluated it as an immune hack so there was a twenty eighteen animal. Study that identified. It's immunomodulators effect quote the results. Indicated this Cassandra polysaccharide prevents sick. Leo phosphide induced impairment of the cellular immoral and nonspecific immunity and may be an auxiliary immune enhancer for the prevention of immune hypo function and sick. Lezo phosphide this is a chemotherapy drug. It's one of those awful Atra genetic treatments that subject people to win. They are struggling with cancer. And so it's saying that. The cassandra made up for that. To some extent and then there was another twenty sixteen study which identified its antifungal properties. Quote this study revealed. That CASSANDRA can you. Extract and their lignans represent promising resources for the development of safe effective and multi targeted agents against pathogenic fungi. Another animal study found. That it was a hopeful. Preventative measure for reation induced immune dysfunction and it concluded our results indicate that SCA Sandra polysaccharide could effectively prevent immune injury during radiotherapy by the immune system and so these studies are adding to the evidence that things like. The adapted INS are a really smart idea for the reality of all of the toxic radiation that we are all subject to because. I've got a smartphone here. I've got a IPAD here. I got a computer. Their computer their computer their Wifi router there another cell phone there. We all are just surrounded by all of these different devices that project. Ems Field in fact in the book that I'm reading right now E. M. F. by Dr McCullough. He talks about how in the past Hundred Years. Get this in the past one hundred years of human history. We have seen a trillion fold increase in the amount of electromagnetic fields that US human beings are exposed to and evolution. Doesn't work quite fast enough to keep to keep up with that. We're going to see in a future catastrophic levels of cancer and disease because of this toxicity and so I feel really good when I see the studies that are saying that the adopted wins. Make a difference in the radiotherapy. Where what they're trying to do is they're trying to mitigate the negative downstream effects of these cancer therapies but nowadays. We're all kind of part of this. Big Crazy cancer experiment. That is blanketing the planet right and I think that that makes things like this a good idea and again it tastes great. So if you haven't tried to powder please do try it. And I will suggest that you pick it up from lost empire herbs who linked to below this because they have really high quality standards for the purity of the product. They do publish the certificates of analysis for the product. They're on their websites. Do go check that out and then if you pick up one hundred dollars or more worth of stuff from lost empire herbs that makes you eligible to become part of the limitless mindset secret society and this is a private community on minds dot com. It's a bio hacker discussion forum with. Just I think a little bit of a classier cut of gentlemen as part of the club. We're still waiting for a girl to join if your girl. Please please join because we kind of sausage fest. But it's greed discussion going on there. Actually that's not true. We do have a girl we have my wife as part of the limitless mindset secrets as I buy we. We just have the one girl. We'll have more in the future. I'm sure I'm sure it's not like a Sleazy Gentlemen's Club. 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Episode 119 -- October 1, 2020 AFP: American Family Physician

AFP: American Family Physician Podcast

23:02 min | 3 months ago

Episode 119 -- October 1, 2020 AFP: American Family Physician

"The AFC PODCAST is supported by the American Academy of Family Physicians and by PD W, and our PS on demand a library of twenty two self paced workshops on topics that are important to residency programs, including Residency Curriculum Resident Assessment Program Administration, and more full info at AFP dot Org Slash Twenty twenty on demand. Welcome to the American family physician podcasts for the October I twenty twenty issue I'm jake. I'm Krista I'm meredith and we are residents and faculty mostly residents of the University of Arizona College of Medicine Phoenix Family Medicine residency. Today on the PODCAST WE'RE GONNA talk about Unintentional childhood injury. We'll have clinical inquiry on alcohol use disorder. We'll talk about Patillo for moral pain. We'll look at the effects of inhaled corticosteroids on growth have a review, persistent night sweats, and we'll wrap things up with a covid nineteen research brief. The opinions expressed in the podcast, our own and do not represent the opinions of the American Academy of Family Physicians the Editor of American family physician or Banner Health to not use this podcast for medical advice instead sear doctor for medical care. Guys episode. One. Hundred. Or Quarantine episode number thirteen, which translates in time to twenty years. If feels like we're coming again from our closets, bring you another asap podcast episode. How's everybody doing? Just great KRISTA. I gotta say the listeners can't see this, but there's something different about you. Since we recorded lasts there is yeah they can't see this. What is different? I can't tell there's just something about married Whoa got married and SEDONA. You Know Little Little Co bid wedding will congratulations to you in the Mr doctor as well. Dr Bruce area that's what we should call him from now on. That's awesome. That's good news. In case, our listeners are not used to hearing good news this year that is good news. And actually we have some more good news our very own Dr Steve Brown was selected as the recipient of the AFP's Twenty Twenty Exemplary Teaching Award fulltime teaching award this year due to his obvious awesome. Miss and his contributions as a family physician leader innovator educator. So congratulations to Brown. All right. Let's hop into that position and we'll start things off with prevention of Unintentional childhood injury in this comes to us from Dr degeorge Dr Caitlyn Jenner and Dr. Benjamin. Don't learn from the University of Virginia School of Medicine in Charlottesville we're going to talk about a very important subject prevention of unintentional injury and Kiddos. We will look at a few topics including motor vehicle crashes, certification and strangulation drowning poisoning fired guns anything with wheels to write on. Bikes scooters. Unintentional injury is the leading cause of death in children and adolescents. One to nineteen years of age as primary care physicians. It's crucial that we talk prevention particularly evidence based prevention. Let's get started. Motor vehicle crashes are the most common cause of fatal injuries accounting for fifty percent to put it into perspective three kids fourteen or younger are killed and traffic related crashes daily. Wow, that's a lot what we do about this good question, and luckily there's an answer infants and toddlers should ride in a rear facing carseat for as long as the seat manufacturers specifies kiddos younger than thirteen should use a seat belt in the back seat. That's absolutely right because unstrained children are much greater risk of death. You guys can check out the American Academy of Pediatrics car seat Algorithm, as well as the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website that allows caregivers to register the carseat and even get information on CD updates. Since we are talking about driving another good point to mention as recommended by the American Academy of Family. Physicians is to talk to teenagers about distracted driving during all wellness visits because nearly half of teenagers report, they texted drive in are at an increased risk for crash or a near crash. Let's talk for second about accidental suffocation or strangulation in bed or a S S. which has increased in the past decades from twelve point, four deaths per one hundred, thousand to twenty eight point three per one hundred, thousand why that's dig increase and we don't exactly know why this has happened. But the most common causes are soft bedding caregivers rolling onto the infant during sleep in the infant being wedged between the mattress and the bed. Because of this, it's so important to educate on safe sleeping, including infants back to sleep in their own space like crib on their backs with only fitted sheet on the mattress and in the same room as the caregiver be sure to talk about this at every visit. Until the first year, one study found that twenty percent of parents stated they received no advice at all on safe sleeping. Good Advice, Jake let's talk about water safety because there's nothing like getting out of the heat in Arizona. In drowning is the second leading cause of death in children one to nineteen the highest death from drowning or a non white children. This could be because of barriers, swimming lessons, access to pools or bodies of waters or cultural differences. All Children receive swimming lessons by age four and consider lessons. As early as one caregiver should also receive cardiopulmonary resuscitation training. This is supported by a recent cohort analysis that showed favorable neurologic survival after drowning when bystanders new CPR, pool fences are also an important point to discuss. This is supported by Cochran review that found fences significantly reduce the risk of drowning as a side note if you are on a boat where life vest I think this can apply to both kids. And adults guys we have so much to talk about and well child visits. Oh you bet these well, child visits are chock full of good information. One thing you would probably not guess but should start doing is counseling on contact information for poison control centers. You're absolutely right kids get into pill bottles and cleaning products all the time it's important to keep poisonous products out of their reach don't transfer medications to a different bottle. Those pill bottles are so hard to open already. That's for a reason, Krista. Never referred to medicine as candy and properly dispose of all medications. If the kid does injustice substance clear their mouth of the substance or pill, but do not induce vomiting and call poison control or emergency services? Speaking about fires no one is speaking about fires mayor. We'll maybe I'm just passionate about fire prevention KRISTA. Keep a fire extinguisher in the house install smoke checkers because this is a major prevention strategy and having evacuation plan, the fire does occur and don't smoke in the home or anywhere else for that matter. There are many reasons not to do this, but preventing a fire is just one. A systematic review showed that when there were stricter laws in purchasing having access to guns, gun related deaths in children declined the American Academy of Family Physicians Recommend Safe Storage of guns screaming for intimate partner violence and for. As well as his treatment. If caregivers, guns talked to them about their safe storage. Also plug here to talk to legislatures about local laws. If they're not in the best interest of children safety good point. Jake. Should also talk to legislators about Helmet Laws Cock interview show that helmets reduce the risk of bicycle related injuries up to eighty eight percent, and although it may not look cool wearing wrist and elbow pads reduce the risk of skateboarding injuries. In summary Office, based counseling increases adherence to recommendations specifically those related to motor vehicle safety and fire prevention. We should discuss unintentional childhood injury prevention at all well child visits. Next up, we have an F. Penn clinical inquiry alcohol use disorder pharmacologic treatment options in this comes to us from doctors, grows Griffin and Bradford from the University of Tennessee College of Medicine Chattanooga. And Beth Orton from the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. So this article looks at the evidence for the first line pharmacologic treatments for alcohol use disorder that of e compensate and Naltrexone who one Meta analysis looked at a camper say or naltrexone alone or in combination for at least twelve weeks, the number needed to treat to prevent return to any consumption of alcohol was twelve for a say and twenty for Naltrexone. NALTREXONE monotherapy also showed a benefit in reducing heavy consumption of alcohol with a number needed to treat twelve yes they harm reduction. Woohoo. A smaller randomized controlled trial looked at relapse rates for the same medications at twelve and twenty four weeks at the twelve week mark the relapse rate in the combination group receiving both compensate and not trek zone was significantly lower than a cumbersome alone. But this effect was not seen at twenty four weeks. There is a strength of recommendation be that combining naltrexone and a camper say may provide additional benefit in early treatment. That's a lot of great data guys were. There any harms of taking both men at once actually? Yeah. There were increased reports of nausea and diarrhea in the combination therapy group, the American Psychiatric Association and the National Institute for Health and excellence recommend not Turkson Andy can pursue as first line pharmacologic options and alcohol use disorder in combination with cognitive behavioral therapy it can't proceed should be avoided and severe renal failure. It is typically taken three times daily and cost around eighty dollars a month good to know. naltrexone should be avoided in paddock failure or acute hepatitis and can be taken once-daily orally for about twenty four dollars per month or a once month long acting deco injection that costs about one thousand, six hundred choice of medications should be based on Co Morbid conditions in adherence to the dosing regimen with the strength of recommendation, a based on meta-analysis. Moving right along, we have a practice guideline Patella for moral pain guidelines from the American physical therapy. Association. And this comes to us from Dr Mara the Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton in California. So, let's remind the listeners what we're talking about when we say Patella for moral pain. KRISTA. Good call. It's a super common anterior knee pain. It presents with Retro Patellar, Perry patellar pain with Neef lection. The guideline on diagnosis and management is pretty consistent with what we covered about. Patella for moral pain on episode seventy eight for the January Fifteenth Twenty Nineteen Issue Meredith hit us with the pearls for diagnosis guys I have to tell ephemeral pain right now, but I will also. Some pros. Mike Krista said liver pain caused by Nifla like squatting and prolonged sitting? The telephone role pain is unlikely. A squatting does not reproduce pain which mine does. Let me reassure you guys. There are a number of special test out there but none are that accurate like looking at q angle or patellar tilt testing to exam should focus on ruling out other causes of anti pain. Exercise is the treatment Krista what specific guidance does line provide I have to exercise guys. Yeah you actually have to do it for other reasons, but this to all right right exercise should focus on post here your hip and quadriceps muscle groups don't skip lunch day. Examples are single leg squats who that's tough step downs and lunches and focus on high volume like three sets of thirty wraps. Wow that's a lot it is. What about other treatments I feel like there's lots of fancy remedies out there that are advertise to help with this common condition per this guideline adding foot orthotics those increase per nation or adding patellar taping to exercise, improve short term pain braces and sleeves do not and I hate to break it to you mayor but other therapies added to exercise do not improve outcomes over exercise alone including Electro Niagara fee-based feedback, neuro, muscular electrical stimulation, blood flow restriction, and manual therapies. Dry needling alone does not improve outcomes and acupuncture has benefit over usual care but not over Sham Acupuncture Jiang. Forward to lead flow restriction. There some specific instances when other approaches should be considered like for runners gate retraining may improve patellar from moral pain symptoms impetus for moral pain brought on by overuse or acute intensification reducing activity followed by gradual return can be beneficial or relative rhys may be first intervention. And although dynamic new valves does not predict PfP risk a subset of people with Patella moral pain who demonstrate need val with a single leg squat appear to benefit from gate retraining. Let's hit the listeners with a Cochran for clinicians. This one's titled Effects of inhaled corticosteroid on growth in children with persistent asthma, and it comes to us from Dr Gil from use. So the clinical question here is do different inhaled corticosteroids have different impact on growth in children with asthma as a side note. I. Didn't have asthma. So this did not affect my growth. Coffee. Instead. Good topic I get this question all the time for patients. Given that six point, two, million kids in the US have asthma. It's subjecting question the Global Initiative for asthma. Gina. Recommends inhaled corticosteroids for any kid with asthma except for those with the most mild form, let's take a look at a cocker interview to address this question. Specifically, this review looked different types of inhaled corticosteroids and their delivery systems were reviewed to assess growth. It was made up six randomized controlled trials of children four to twelve with persistent asthma that we're using inhaled corticosteroids, of note, instead of using intention to treat this review US per protocol population as they want to know the outcome of height with use of an impaled steroid. Good Point. What they found was that held Fu tick zone at two hundred micrograms per day had greater linear growth velocity compared to Beckley method zone for hundred micrograms per day, which is an equivalent dose. ooh interesting. Another thing the flu tick discus inhaler at two hundred micrograms per day was an associated with increased in height over twenty weeks to twelve months compared to you decide via Turbo Hayler at four hundred micrograms per day speaking of. Turbulence, when compared to be this easy Hayler, the easy Hitler was associated with a greater increase in height over six months. A randomized controlled trial found that four years of you'd aside was associated with one point, two centimeter loss. In final adult height, we know that inhaled corticosteroids are associated with loss of height analysis to observational studies showed that inhaled corticosteroid use was associated with a zero point. Eight five centimeter loss in height. But get this poorly controlled asthma slows earth velocity not to mention can cause hospitalizations and even death right and so it seems like flu tick zone is associated with increased growth velocity or height, and that the benefits of in Hillcrest steroids outweigh the risk of that loss tight. You're not wrong or are you let's ask a cme question see don't don't dumb. Which statement is correct a inhaled corticosteroids have no effect on growth velocity. Be, flu ticket zone reduces growth velocity compared with equivalent dose of BECO- Methadone. See that climate zone reduces growth velocity compared with an equivalent dose of flu tickets on an d the risks of using inhaled corticosteroids outweigh the benefits I'M GONNA go with C. Bekele methods reduce growth velocity compared to equivalent dose of his own. In short, there may be an average one point, two centimeter loss in final adult with use of inhaled corticosteroids. However, the benefits outweigh the risks as uncontrolled severe asthma can result in hospitalization or even death and may correlate with even slower growth. When an inhaled corticosteroid is used Lucas asylum seems to be associated with the best growth outcomes and there you have. It folks another Cochrane for clinicians down. Let's keep rolling to a main topic, persistent night sweats, diagnostic evaluation, and this comes to us from Dr Karl Bryce who is just down the road at Abrazos family medicine residency in Phoenix. Do, you get sleepy at night. You're even splurging have the AC cranking maybe it's from your pandemic diet high fat high sugar maybe an extra drink or three, which is in helping acid reflux or maybe it's from your uncontrolled anxiety knowing will be able to take off your mask again. But Oh, cruel world. It might actually be caused by Sri you've been taking to treat your anxiety. Shirley it's not from an infection. You've been vigilantly monitoring for fever cough weight loss. You wish no one's losing weight during the spending. Well come on down to the latest AF Journal or you could just keep listening. Nice Commercial Voice Meredith. Thank you pressing the commercial. We never knew we needed while Krista have you been feeling sweaty at night? Luckily? No. But if I was I'd go to my doctor and get a thorough history and physical. Hopefully, she'd look for red flags such as loss objective fever at an apathy easy bruising or bleeding. then. She'd probably look for common causes such as Reflux Disease Bazo motor symptoms such as those with menopause. Get Real. That'd be interesting. I'm twenty nine. Sleep disorders mood disorder alcohol, and tobacco use, and do a thorough medication wreck as many common measure associated with night sweats. She probably also think about Integration Mike. Hyper thyroid or glycemic symptoms if the presentation is consistent with a specific clinical diagnosis, it's reasonable to treat that disorder or weaned meds for forty eight weeks and reassess. She'd also encourage a symptom diary during this time. Christopher night sweats have not resolved yet, or if we can't figure out why you have the night sets your doctorate, probably get you a CBC to closys testing battery testing HIV, C, reactive protein, and a chest x-ray. If these tests were not diagnostic, she'd probably consider getting a C. T. of the chest bone marrow biopsy evaluate for malignancy or green illuminated disease or maybe even a sleep study Krista do you snore at night? I don't know I can't hear myself sleep. That's fair. If these tests are non diagnostic, she would continue to monitor, provide return precautions and offer reassurance. Thank you Dr. so to sum it up evaluation of persistent night sweats includes a thorough history and physical with particular focus paid to the medalist in common causes include basic motor symptoms of menopause, panic attacks, alcohol, and tobacco use in obesity. Thanks Meredith. Guys. We're going to wrap this episode up with a cove in nineteen daily research brief. This daily research brief comes to us from Dr Henry Berry who summarizes findings published in the British Medical Journal by group that developed and validated a mortality prediction score for patients hospitalized with cove nineteen, the coronavirus clinical characterisation, consortium, metallica score, or the foresee more score try to to all that ten times fast. was developed using over thirty five thousand patients hospitalized with Kobe nineteen in England Scotland and Wales, and then validated using additional twenty two thousand patients. The foresee mortality score uses things like age sex respiratory rate, oxygen, saturation, urea level level of consciousness and C reactive protein. This zero to twenty one point model was seventy seven percent accurate which they report is better than other scores and was better ruling. Out Mortality Rather than ruling it in importantly have the patients included were in the high risk group in the overall mortality rate was thirty to thirty two percent. So the forcing mortality scored is not useful for the community setting as a reminder this and all of the daily covid nineteen research briefs as well as many other great cove nineteen resources can be found by going to AFP dot Org. Please email us at AFP podcast at AF. DOT ORG or tweet at AFP podcast please rate and comment on Apple podcasts or podcast team has Jake Anderson Jocelyn Booker Steve Brown circles Kiana Spinoza Crystal Abruzzo Genevieve Lambert Ronaldo Wilson Illinois in Coney in Meredith Rosenthal. Are Sound and technical guru is Tyler Coles. Our theme song is written and recorded by Family Physicians Build APPs Ryan Evans, and Justin Jenkins. PODCAST is brought to you by the residents and Faculty of the University of Arizona College of Medicine Phoenix Family Medicine. Residency. We'll talk to you soon for the next edition of the American family physician podcast.

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Week 6 Red Challenge Flag picks & Top 5 QB or Top 5 Coach?

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

1:07:41 hr | 1 year ago

Week 6 Red Challenge Flag picks & Top 5 QB or Top 5 Coach?

"Wings Zalid I promise why don't WanNa make any promises I won't definitely keep but I I'm going to try to not talk as much hi hello football fans of the week six welcome to the Dave Damasec football program presented as always house at Zack's ex home of the famous chicken fingers their plans have not been disguised or subtle at all they are playing for years in the future and they're set up well for the future but taking the the division looks like it very well not I mean it looks like it's going to be eight eight is going to end up getting the crown there so that makes that interesting as far as the dolphins go thinking philosophy to it's extreme here in the NFL. We'll see if that warrants any punishment or Kurt words from a commissioner and fan bases because it is a different sport before I believe in this space then basketball where careers can end seasons can end health concerns are of the utmost importance money Smith I started to say the headliner for me Fins Skins Aka Loser Bowl Twenty nineteen you know my long standing idea here it is that at inbetween it should happen in January I think in the week in between the championship games and the Super Bowl perennially live at the time of this recording and then you watch them all over the place here on NFL media including NFL. Now doing gangbusters work on that program every Thursday and Friday now you're on the right track hey the guy who you're listening to and watching right now if you're watching us on on your laptop or otherwise it's the voice the Los Angeles chargers big game for them on Sunday night Duck Dynasty Devlin Ajiz in the Pittsburgh steelers pain visit who would have thought between these two teams there would be three and at the top of the list there pro football week six after a weird wonky week five it's Kinda hard to determine anything I don't know that we know anything participants in that as well teams realize although it is odd it's not odd it's just interesting that the Bengals by no stretch are out of it the steelers are by no stretch out of it that see old school the world series used to be the two pennant winners and a best of nine series. I say that we don't need wildcards in any sport certainly not the finest starting staff and all the National League but hey them's the breaks yeah I I am a fan of merit where my sports are concerned I would like the we do this. The two worst teams play each other the winner gets the first overall pick in the draft that's essentially what seems like this game is shaping up to be this weekend what you're GonNa have more title wins there of course I don't want to distract from the main event that is the dolphins it's the skins lots of good stuff coming up let me finish my introduction but it is the USA guys out to play this particular sports so to be playing it for future seasons when these participants might not even be around very hard to get from that and I'll be interested to see how these teams play this particular game a while we know what the dolphins intentions are and that's to lose now we play-by-play man of the chargers he is one half of the finest radio show and all Land Petros and money things are exciting here in Los Angeles because the dodgers are playing a game ball but it's worth talking about baseball basketball hockey because we happen to be in the Swedish month of all for the sports fan shop and everything going on right now including make sure you check it out check it out I'm talking of course about our main man Matt Money Smith a time of this recording yeah I'm hours for this week than we did a week ago and we were trying to make our picks there but we'll do our best for you dig in Red Challenge flag picks on the way in the meantime Brian Floors has announced Josh Rosen is starter for the remainder of the season I think that at least is a smart move although it's a little weird because the great stuff they do there which I'm going to enjoy in just a short eleven ten days is really the Nashville I will indeed I will don't tell me from making my way over to dodger stadium game five not to talk too much baseball but a lot of people have said that the dodgers somehow one one hundred six games and yet they find themselves in a one game playoff against they in a way you guys can figure it out but I'm not playing couldn't blame anybody for doing that if you saw what happened at Heinz field last Sunday and then like you say Matt Money Smith you and Daniel who wins which but the dolphins and the scans and maybe the jets but was Sam darnold back I expected they'll get a little bit better they're going to win some games which is the ultimate jets Damasec sent you that's the trick to get don't tell them no no don't tell that won't hurt the cause there but I'm George sent me go over well that the first ever charger game first chargers has he ever lived in the city of Pittsburgh he's been there and he admires the station to your point they're obviously gonNA take to Herbert come come spring of or would that steelers pick maybe both why not you know what let's just take them both and figure it out we can trade one next year I resent you for bringing the steelers into that conversation this no matter how bad they are they're not gonNa Finish Oh my and the gang from the chargers will be out there in Carson California so we'll me and my my boys John Claude van Damasec his first ever steelers game. Let's make sure it's a good one what if people just refuse to play quarterback what if after all the injuries at that position they just say you know what wild I don't pardon the Pun Juju that's going on with this position feel there and he was saying the clippers just sign these two guys you and I ought to get out there and check it out and see what's going on no young man you will be hoosier he's got the Lakers he's allow loss Angeles kings who have won two Stanley Cups in his lifetime and he could have gone to countless games here Ramos he spent in the city of Pittsburgh spent like Golic spent two weeks with seventy two hours seventy two hours maybe and on your own Biz listen I don't understand it embrace your child in the backyard with which he has the play and I have the rams he's got the chargers he's got the dodgers Eddie's a penguins fan dealers and was one three cups I interested in indulging on your your helicopter parenting of my parents so it's him up into the broadcast but now I'll have something ready for them now I your diabolical and I don't know how how diabolical it's I'm just giving him another option he's ten years old maybe now you know what he spent the two weeks of his life and how much of that time has been spent city your business how I run my home the helicopter parenting you let that young man himself on the playground and he emerges as hey dad you know I was talking with a young Jimmy on the on the recess the Pittsburgh from here you've got to connect somewhere that should take it off the table entirely if you can't have a direct flight to the city in which I want you to root for the football team if you'RE GONNA go kings over the penguins disappointing choice and I think you're going to pay a price for that over the decades but that's your choice you can do all those things the only rule is that would work except that the NFL PA isn't interested in our mutual Pal Shaun O'Hara has rejected this banner idea by me the loser bowl or sponsorship available between weight watchers or Jenny Craig in the loser bowl then you play it out on a burnt out junior high field alone game people the cynics out there the vapid cynics who would watch this game who would care about the everybody would absolutely I over pals over there at Zach's B.'s as I do legitimately I have a bunch of rule changes we'll get to something else I want to talk about but first of all that is a legitimate rules chain is fan what's college football only because that's your dad's Alma Mater and that's what we do in this house so that's not that's not you know listen I progressive but just imagine that Dead Week in-between the title Games and the Super Bowl what do we do we have the manufacturer stuff instead we always look forward to the loser bowl billion dollars got to be a steelers fan by your loud to root for the chargers just don't do it in my home that's all that's just go to your make any sense there's not even a direct rate up so high so what I'm saying is what I'm saying here shack is if you play this game obviously the stakes are high the number one overall pick in the draft but if you ask me life consisted of blocking trying to slow down three hundred pound men with cat like quickness heavyset vans hey battery giant holes all over the place that's what we're talking disgrace and you're surprised that Shaun O'Hara a former player who have all positions played offensive line if you see the man's hands that's what you want to come back in a couple of weeks Aaron Rodgers and the packers going to be here to take this Boatswain Jersey here this youth nine Bosa Jersey and bring it back in they're actually in tremendous shape considering some of the offensive Lineman we've seen you think they're going to go out there how much are you paying each player well whatever they earned their spot gold dog and assure you that and he's going to have a goal tau and if you ain't careful he's GonNa put it on your there'll be a pox on you for the rest of the you know my stance I am happy to welcome do that you you you did this to you each of them Jim Billion Bucks Okay I mean it would that's what it would take hey I'm not playing the loser but what if I gave you were a stand all right let's get to before the red challenge flag picks let's get to this week's edition of fresh takes brought to you of course by our F- for me players like the teachers who told them you're never gonNA make it in this world like up there in the stands watching I told you Sean era you say not now mix on the line after all this would be the most captivating event and the NFL is all about extending the cat through look at what this man's football gotta eight man you got to carry some weight on that frame man of a certain carriage out there the size of the man he's trying to slow down for goodness sakes this Amanda that cared shouldn't get his the crossbar kick is going to be blocked like the window where I can now fit that kick through from twenty five to four in and the and the winner gets the first overall pick burnt out so you WANNA put these men out train this sport chock of molehills and the idea because if you kick a field goal from somewhere between let's say twenty five and forty yards out it regularly is higher than where the top of your can't do that no can't do that I just did no you didn't I suggested it suggested him saying you can't do that vapid cynicism not at all vapid defensive linemen are tall right they're reach is extreme if I now have to lower my trajectory to find my way under a higher now I can see why the Darrell okay you gotta choose one that rule or holding is only five yards because ten yards is a weird penalty it's the only one take a look at it here and right here you're gonNA be having is blue and gold stuff and he'll his head it'll be swimming amid celebrities Matt Money Smith in Hey Daniel Jeremiah and every man I'm happy we can we can we get a replay can we get von Habsburg like replay maybe from the damage shack home when that thing at least five yards outside the left that's for the sake of taking maybe somebody who will supplant him guess what caused him to find December like where are we were in third place but who you know what if we got one here is our meeting try this one on for size VIP's all get VIP's I'll get the super bowl tickets the tickets to this are all the people who were detractors along the way of the man like Shaun O'Hara to go out there and block he's already played at sixteen games he's already been humiliated in front of his peers finished and now he's got to play one more like I say you earn yeah there listen the rule in my home go you root for the dodgers and the Lakers or clippers all it hurts me and the kings transcend the quality of the quarterback you have if you have a dominant left tackle that can make the mediocre Qb look like a top ten qb and lack of a good offensive line can make met so here we go order of importance wind play show these things for me win of course is your Oh then silence for the next four and a half hours and you know what we need we need to put you as young man damage Shag let's let's go catch the football I can't money swinging pick me up the big brother that's coming by ten yards and it throws off drives and instead of obsessing about the nuance of already backing already that three cover corner these are all things held up you'll notice I didn't even put a number one that's that's so much who annapolis you have to root for that I hope you choke on your taxes not die I don't want you to die on it what what is he going to be wearing to the game I don't know what Jersey it's going to be is your number one most important a top ten QB to a top five head coach a top five old line a top five pass rush and a top hundred four put a crossbar across the two goalposts so that it raises the standard and takes out all the guesswork of field goals and extra points and it's got to go through the box so you don't need that I'll start with the first two because it's between those two top ten quarterback in a top five coach the reason why I'll go quarterback had a coach is because it is brought Sean mcvay along and taught him his style of offense of which he is now flourishing and has made some kind of like the Israeli army the Israeli military compared to the a yards is so small you are now bringing kickers more into the game of which I would like to remove them more when it touched new friends ospar will be not any more let me let me share the count let me let me share something with you I don't know if you're aware of this Mr accusations of pity appeared as though it might have been over what you're right not mean yes justin talker with his fade which by the way can great in fact insight before kickoff of the imports of the left tackle and it may legitimately transcend at this point I know this sounds insane but states we provide them with all their equipment they make improvements upon it. I'm GONNA stop there because I don't WanNa keep I heard other people have gotten so I'll put a quarterback a top ten quarterback ahead of a top five coach and that one you're win is of all things you can have can you now Tom Brady's look this year's defense that's everything certainly has not looked great but I guess I guess then I'm saying Brady just because we're so used to see saying Brady Rodgers breeze right and now we've got to adjust because now we have our first pick would be pat mahomes our second pick would probably be you bet like Oh that's going to motivate you to not finish in one of the yeah you're GonNa you know you don't want to be out there lose your dignity once you call old Damore Smith there so hey okay I'll open it up to top five but you've actually Kinda yes okay let's say it's top five but still it is the crap shoot among those five and you don't know who's GonNa come up if I shake them all up in as we start working through it is is breeze one hundred percent healthy you know where's yeah so I'm GonNa take the quarterback if you'll adjust at the top five I've said a lot of top five I mean after Mahomes Russell at this point really who are the clear cut other guy other three names so if you're telling me I can now the moment is give me the the top five pass rush these defense's man are in the age of unstoppable offense great things to work with his team has struggled it's finished with one of the worst records in the League for a couple years now that he has some pieces you are seeing the what kind of coaches as much as we've spent the time we've spent here on this season talking about how it's a coach's league this will surprise people the thing that is emerging lately maybe I'm prisoner China stuff and all the hype around Patrick mahomes deserved and everything else it's very much for me suddenly like a like when you go out for a lobster it listen we you know as you know here on the DP were known for our our vast pre-production meetings going on and on maybe and this is not me making this proclamation but people we talk to the whose opinions we respect Kyle Shanahan is regularly cited as one of the brightest then I was already despondent you're an hour too late to share the miss did you cheer the mist before it broke back I think it was just a lot of those roles make it a top five quarterback instead of a top ten ten is pretty big like when you start getting into quarterback seven eight and nine the big difference between Clayton put that one on twitter the other thing is money here in our hot takes serious where you come down on this and you've wasted offense alive and you had they get I mean I don't know if it'd be Russell's Aaron Rodgers I think I'd still probably have that debate who would I want probably a Wilson's three they have the drawn butter I don't even need the lobster because you know what else tastes good in drawn butter anything you buy I'll get listen I can't do it with case eight nine and ten I'm talking about Matt Ryan so I get breeze Rogers Brady Mahomes Wilson I like I like the way nsen everybody wanted Sean mcvay light and anybody who knew Sean mcvay that was the trend in coaching coaching hires this off season and all that have one of these five mahomes Russell Wilson Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and see now now when I get down to like she dominant defensive lines I don't want to say more often but I believe in two thousand nineteen you see dominant defensive lines more often the owner lobster is the star quarterback lobster is delicious to everybody pays top dollar for it so he loves it it's defense and Jacoby percent is fine he's not take the oil line ahead of the D. Line and here's why because we ars in the garage and I want to remove the ease with which these guys nail fifty-three arturs just because one kick at one kid it is a piece of bread with with bland cheese stuck in the middle but is the essential control the line of scrimmage you have a chance of winning the Super Bowl better if we if we put all those two things maybe it should be a draft between the two I don't know exactly what that would achieve if you take quarterback then I'll take blank but then rams nearly well although you could argue he did cost them super bowl with Aaron throws I would agree with the had cop ten quarterback with that great oh line with that great head coach then you would have how about you raider rarity because it brings us back to where we've been for about five years now which is that as unsexy as it is as une lobster is it is they get into these matchups where you have a left tackle bet can neutralize your best pass rusher and does not need to be double team dominant offensive lines and I just go to the practice aspect of it very few of them have an opportunity to face any Li unit on the other side of the ball all week long and just rabble I will just say they have fine military and do some things with the equipment they are provided that maybe we don't so Kyle Shanahan has not had pass Russia's struggle and I think so I think I would rather have that offensive line and take my chances against one of the best defensive fronts knowing citing a jazz is up the night to get things but ultimately the real star is the underrated star I know where you're going essential item is percent do you now think after watching that game arrowhead on Sunday night that the car the colts are viable playoff line yeah and clearly a coach and draw the defense is drawn butter the defense and the and the potent running game they combined to be drawn butter and in fact I'll make a case atten pull one out and you get anybody get to pick the five that I'm choosing from then yes I'll actually go the other direction here as much as I this week as we did last week about the benefits meets eating bear sure that yeah I think it's okay to back off and I think he is focused on Zach so what makes it more fun as you don't get to pick the name the top five you just have to pull out of the hat because if the top five if you Tom Brady I don't think you're going to be very happy in him but I think you can win the super bowl this season with Jimmy where do you where do you put Jared Goff Jared Goff top ten quarterback Jimmy talk what Lemons I'm making lemonade. You're not all right you like that not the brightest offensive mine it's not Sean McVeigh's Coaching Tree Kyle Shanahan coaching trio believe in him off he is the one that that I have a decided advantage if I now have a league average interest is a league average old-line my elite auto line is going to be a committed what am I doing over here you're not raising any pushback watching below deck you're not watching any you're not making any reason why that's not that is the essential ingredient unless it's funny so it's almost it's almost true when we spit ball it because now as you as you talk yourself into one thing you're going to doc yourself out of it because now if I have pat mahomes that'll good it's not great it's Ok that the line okay so for the colts can lead to eight minute drives that you hope for they hope ultimately get cashed in for seven think about how much pressure that puts on the team Sar the Oregon Docks of the Chip Kelly era which is their time of possession like if you ever look at those chip Kelly teams their time of possession on drives Ron Patrick mahomes when he gets the ball back was like hey we just spent eight minutes on the sideline we better score on this adds to the pressure that you have the the cheese three it's horrible neutral zone infraction to to Tyreek Hill he is not playing he is the ultimate Steph it is impossible while I just as I say I hear you that's the key to me I just watched Quinton Nelson and Anthony Costanza there nations your fast you're not tyreek hill I agree that changes once he comes back you're going to remember how do you slow this thing down like it's just it's impossible yeah like guys get banged up over the course of the season Patrick Mahomes can ruin all your all the scheme the philosophy you go into the game with against the chiefs we'll pick them right now but here's what blasphemy here's what excuse me Ryan Bartlett who's your favorite team by the way it might be the chiefs the colts couldn't have done what they did but I now feel like here's a bold statement the Kansas City chiefs are not winning the super bowl this year a lot of people by the middle of the first quarter and that's what the chiefs are so they present their own like hey congratulations on your eight minute drive if you don't punch it in for seven you're we got to try to keep the ball away from him obviously he can blow that all up with a couple of throws however is he going to be able to do that three times over he couldn't do it last year was like two and a half minutes fifty eight seconds their longest drives were three minutes and it was if you don't score touchdowns you're going to be down twenty one to six yeah that'll be that'll be a coin flip who wins that one over sixty minutes the ability to just do that and and as good as their Nelson can really change things and take the AFC probably not but because here's why you saw what happened on Sunday night the excuse that Patrick mahomes out of bum ankle curry game wrecker when you are defensive coordinator and go into a game you like Oh yeah we gotta deal with tyree kill it changes at Meco harmon congratulate can do is with the a couple of flicks of the wrist over the course of sixty minutes he can offset all of the colts game he had a bum ankle completely get that he could have put up by the end of the first half before the game got to wear it got it could have been the colts could jerk jumped them for quick couple of touchdown you're out of the ball and make you have but see that's the thing so it's two different it's two different approaches right the fact that that those those three interior linemen for many many decades however remains true that those offenses like the Dan fouts chargers never even got to a super bowl the I see that checks out here I don't you blaspheme route believe me I like it it's exciting with Patrick mahomes wins the soup are they gonNa win eighteen and won the Randall Cunningham all time great offense didn't get to the super bowl the defenses win out again because we only need six minutes to put fourteen I completely hear you but also I hate the old platitudes of the curmudgeon who've watched football for denunciatory and by the way where do not have that advantage where do they not to your point about the defensive front against what team could they see that would be against say the Patriots so I'm going to push back with two things one and the colts the colts in between push back with one offsides guy so to some degree they did do it against steel curtain the giants four times over against K. gun and Tom Brady twice and John elway the diva Intel since the great offenses and they have done so throughout NFL super bowl history at least I mean steel curtain against the fancy pants cowboys he didn't do it to Tom Brady and it was still probably end up with Allen and defense in New England that was peeking is he going to be able to do that among the very best namely the Patriots the packers I Russell Wilson what he's doing combined with when cloudy and Ziggy get going if they can both be held see for a stretch there that's the team that goes to the super bowl out of the NFC I think they get the December and can be right defensively like man that's that teams and I'm as guilty of it as anyone overlooking the rams and trying is they try to figure out and I think they are having to adjust because of todd gurley tired of them lying to me Todd Gurley not right and I think he's trying to figure it out how do we operate in an era where todd early in all of our action came off that stretch and that zone run and and I think that's I think they'll I think he's GonNa figure it out and the fact that you have Aaron Donald in the middle of that line and Dante Fowler on the outside of that line and not quite sure how I feel about Marcus Peters and to keep to lead very favourable slate coming up but they better beat the niners in Los Angeles 'cause if they don't if they're three back to that team their division Sir going to be an impossible out because how many times in the twenty first century alone of we've seen the team they can heat up the January gets onto the run again I think a lot of us out qualify my statement on the rams with this football is very unforgiving when it comes to father time it is not it is not in NBA like Hey specifically with air yeah you know but when you have Aaron Donald in the middle of that line with Fowler on the edge I'm not ready to write that team off wow just have the everything let me tell you why again I always called that's where I'm taking the lobster not the drawn butter I say if Moore okay that's fine and it's not that's not crazy because what mahomes Kobe Bryant has to embrace his new role at age thirty six and he's not playing thirty six minutes but he's playing twenty-five and what's he gonNa do when those that's not football football is peyton manning throws probably in on life support best and don't forget about the seahawks and now you're talking about don't forget the niners have to play all those both those teams four times so here I live against the one starts in there already totaled more than all of last year or as one of the best left tackles in the game who's a potential hall of Famer unfortunately kind of succumbed to what I believe that's what it is it's rams forty niners it's it's a prime time I believe I believe that's a prime timer well wouldn't be the Sunday night because of course we have the the three total wind charged six thousand yards the next season Peyton manning can't complete a ten yard out and that's just the way it goes and I'm I'm not saying this is happening to Andrew Whitworth but he's we got more holding penalties than he did all of last season he does not look like the same guy so when you have nick Boza in a way it's Monday night right we're going to get a Monday night rial or so I know what you're right so that's an afternoon game so I'm anxious to see okay so is this fluky for Whitworth these holding penalties and a couple of we see far too often that's a precipitous fall it's very easy to ride the favorites is the bottom line until they knew by them I mean that's the thing I'm just saying update or when it comes down to it and the K. A. Casey just feels incomplete to me especially in a year where the teams that are out his protections the centers a lot of times that by the way was Nick Hardwick his former pro bowl center that taught him they kind of helped him along the WHO of them work very closely with one another that led to Philip rivers being able to call out those protections so the fact that Sullivan is no longer there and it's a young guy and now that's on Jared Goff is what he wants to do he knows how to take away what might be something that can be you know a game wrecker for him and and I would also say just on that in anymore and Kyle Shanahan coach and the way that the niners teams playing I will not be stunned if they come down and he knows he does he knows his tendencies rush all right I suspect that that's going to be one of the Games we pick let's get to the week six Oh and by the way this week a special edition the gang behind the camera I don't know if we can of what the rams are doing something that's not mentioned a lot because he was old and like I don't know how they great offensive Lineman I'll never understand I lean on guys like baldy no hair and they don't like it they're like Dope pro-life as you don't know what the calls are what I do know is that Sullivan made all the calls in the protections sometimes it's a quarterback Philip rivers right by the way on our way out to do the show after we had done that shake leans into mini says I feel humiliated saying this but I her spitballing sessions the two of us have had ever had when mahomes just walks in he's hanging out in the in the Super Bowl Green Room I remember it was you the rubber Gulf Bowl in it that you could bounce off somebody's head back in the day what we should do is in honor of I guess me denigrating Patrick Mahomes right is right we should threw it mahomes did not hold back to his credit yes all right we pride ourselves here with the Red Challenge picks picking the toughest games each week well we had pastries that were disgusting looking and you know the cheese was congealing and the burritos and the the bagels were hard what what breakfast pastry hurts the most sounds like we're gonNA kick ourselves if we don't do something with Patrick Mahomes while he's standing here and then we started brainstorming and we came up with which Dale Pastries important right now based on where these teams are tell me what you think about the chargers steelers Devlin Hodges Third Stringer but your team is so wracked not going well so that's also something to keep an eye on if you want to kind of lean the other way on this game is on his shoulders against that tasks get a look at it while the critical decision amidst all that was money said here let's start with the scone and we start with with the skull out of sorted this out I made with Justin Tucker's kick was called before condescending laughed at the niners are going to get it handed them this one the rams are going to show up the real division bully yeah division bully like any other is until they aren't the injury steelers defense is still good you saw that in the game against the Ravens And you know I mean look at what do you have to ask Jason Rudolph out there which I've heard it would it would seem odd if they did that based on what we saw but look everybody recovers from injury differently there is zero I don't know which at some point soon then once I got all the Info I need to the star stay before we dig in on the tough games to call this is a tough one to call it just doesn't seem terribly honor for his work in keeping track of the red challenge flag picks but as I always say I'm Neo I'm down right now the early part of the I'm downloading the information or upload if we can show everybody everybody they can't help themselves it's the catchy jingle going in full we're all going to sing the red challenge flag theme Haiti but if he's fine then yeah he'll go out there because it's it's not like it's an injury that has any gray area you are in concussion protocol you go through the steps to determine I mean like if the idea is is that you're going to join then joined by to see him on camera to can we get the again one should win it I'm I'm available I can come over and do some sage or whatever I don't know what this chargers team did to the football gods decades ago to deserve eh eh all right I think you guys are you didn't I mean the handsome Hank over there in London England as we speak also doing poorly the guy who tracks it for us Andrew Arabi we appreciate it the shaky award zero chance they're going to run him out there he is not cleared concussion protocol so if he does go out if that's in fact all all that he suffered and it was an absolutely terrifying hit remind you're not gonna get see mine and I don't understand but we'll get into it before we do I don't like these legs proper games I know they're not they don't have thirty bucks let's go quick on this one panthers bucks money choose I'm going to go bucks I am to Spaghetti whether or not you're still can cost if you're not go play should we do I can't do it this week for the reasons that we've covered I'm rooting for the visiting team but this week but after that game if the serve introduce plague of injuries it's really crazy and they escaped it last year for the most part they lost hunter Henry at the start of the season they didn't they knew they weren't gonNa have Joey Bosa but so and I would assume Todd Bowles gummy not that any defensive coordinator said dummy but you load up to try to to try to stop him and I really carry that ball that many more times pile up that many more yards that many touchdowns in back to back weeks it seems like a big ask as a result so far in two thousand nineteen collectively I'm not just going to wear this on my own we're all doing poorly you're not doing last last please doing badly and Matt money is to do is the question how much will he have to in Q.. Can you create a turnover to forum well by the way last week there's now word at the time of this recording that the steelers may run really think I'm hurt like I really think that did something to me like I'm worried about mayor and he did throw it as Jared Goff in there as well this is Christian McCaffrey if he goes you win if you'll lose I while I hear Ya McCaffrey but it would cher's that just got caught up in the big leagues their first time around the league they can dominate but once people start to get them you think kyle and can be taken away uh-huh in panthers or bucks I'm GonNa Panthers Okay that's that I mean that seems like the Savvier just to McCaffrey dependent only know and it just seems like an the end of the year the action let's go quick on this because our POW which I'm hank is over there in London England so in honor of him let's pick the between him and Russell Wilson I guess everybody in the world has those two one two but Russell Wilson I mean that kind of that kind of t one thousand Blueberry Muffin and the road at each other like Patrick Mahomes your belly meat and it hurt me I still got a bill by the way Dune it's still hear it a terrible sound it was one of the best own killer man after he put that Blueberry Muffin in my belly button go it was it legit Anigbo says another one for whatever reason the quadriceps muscle when you have the end maybe it's because I'm the president of skinny legs club but Vitas You know make Kyle Allenby we talk about that all the time that and Asia no slouches on defense by the way I known. QB's are like it is not often that you see a running back carrying offense like this it was one thing when you have yeah girlie as the straw that stirred the drink but there was still a lot of Robert Woods and the Christian McCaffrey can't it's like to me this is the MVP and he is so far ahead of anybody else based on what he is doing I mean he quick on that one so we didn't so so bear with us here we're GONNA pay up now right now it's your turn eagles versus Vikings frozen within broken into all those pieces and t- to but it's a fifty to forty eight pick I mean to me this this might be the toughest one on the board for us this I said we're going to go flight to Indianapolis to the combine with Beata this past year before he went out not this past but the year before and again hi there guys who get in the weight room and you can see those guys they're just guys that are predisposed to like there would be you could lift weights I bet you like Nick Bosa type A guy who's like super very few guys who you really get comes through the screen like man he just keeps on going and they more often than not do get themselves back in the game on twenty it really we attempts or something people talk about that but I mean Russell Wilson is actually that few other guys in the League right now if any really kind lower-half is so massive you just can't imagine anybody being able to move him or when he engages those muscles to push you back you have no chance atwood opens things up for somebody else with an easier slate of the falcon stay down but then you still have niners rams seahawks eagles cowboys it's crazy to say but it's crazy to say listen just think about it so you've got the cowboys the eagles the Rams niners seahawks the vikings you want to say about the bucks though because you said their defense is good a guy who the WHO the casual fan hasn't caught up with Jesse is vida that kind of the guy you have all of those teams in the NFC west and and the cowboys and the packers better have Ian's Vikings and like that that's my that's where I struggle with it well packers bears lions like do you think the bucks are going to be able to get one of those two and it's predicated on the Saints Not Winning the division which is Jack Zillah could I bet vida would just push him over and make quick work of him guys that are just bears of human I was on a southwest airlines to the last game we'll do is lions packers but the fact of the matter is right now it would appear that the NFC north has four good teams on it they're going to beat each other they're going to knock each other down a little bit instead it before and I'll say it again may upset people in the market from which we speak the rams ain't going into the playoffs all right the next game go go let's go let's do the next one you can get up top but it ain't gonNA offset having big focus and that's exactly right she is so freaking fixed the saints are going to run away with the division and the bucks are going to be fighting for a wild card and it's just hard to envision them for me to envision them in that conversation with one of those too when to live up to the game is that you always hear that rhetoric but it really is never over somehow he just keeps on coming like even if you freeze them with I don't know what he strong with with you know it almost makes you wonder well can you imagine if he was an offensive lineman with that he's going to be back in a couple of weeks if they can hang in the bucks are not done for the NFC playoff picture which Chinaman talapity that he has where you feel like objectively you're watching the this one's over the rams are GonNa win survive in this rams are GonNa win this Russell Wilson is one of those I just can't trust kirk cousins against that front yeah exactly that's exactly where it came down to for me Eagles I wasn't super and other Vikings beat the giants but I wasn't super versus Vikings damaged choose by the way the cowboys are not a lock I said there's a super super bowl pick the eagles are they're not a what a tough game is because I haven't looked great ish they've only been in spread eagle so I'm going to take them in Minnesota you're taking them to and Matt they almost lost to a backups backup they should have lost that game should have next game texans chiefs to lobsters when that deadline is operating at peak performance with Jones and Clark it's going to be great but you know what I mean mahomes changes everything completely changes that's basically I've seen them both that the giants sat is legitimately how I left the steelers game was my chief thought beyond my my pain you think you think he's Roger Roger Saul back dude ain't even Tony Romo came up team up let's let's move listen just because the steelers next year when you're doing your auction league draft if he can thread the needle in a snake draft to if you can settle on I feel like this offense is going to be a top four top five slipped there a lock spurred their walk long day no law Dak Prescott compound alright let it go they draw this is because I don't know if he's going to be on the plane now choose I am going to take a hard one to pick this is really not drawn butter as far as I can see here choose chiefs I'm going to stay with that yeah I mean I gotta take the chiefs at Home Spaghetti or not a unit if you can get all the pieces to it and then auction league you can't that's what I did with the Texans this year so I am new coppins hasn't done much beyond week one us with them the giants slide I love that you know what they might have beat my g. men but I wasn't impressed they won't be the Healthy Eagles seen who is white years better than the actually the week one day last two that they and by the way it's not just that the defense is just I'm GonNa take the Texans my fantasy team this is a good move especially in auction league's little tip for everybody out there to remember was I think I over rated the ravens a little bit I think team and defense is up did you overweight who three hit it again challenge tried to get it I do have Carlos Hyde and duke jobs defense haven't paid that many dividends yet but yes this one both these defenses are not great the Texans as a little bit better but the Shawn Watson has been stealing some games for me fuller too I have will fuller as well so we're so you'll fells all right they didn't go that Jordan eighty because of all the pre-game stuff and all the commercials you see in between the plays while you're watching the game featuring bake and Odell Beckham all over the Place Global Star in AFC south that went hurt that is a fascinating division moving onto a juicy game now every game that the browns play because of all the hype right that team scoring more points than the saints I lost was a big one for me for the jags in suggesting they were they could get out with the the arable secondary question the secondary is not good pass rushes good the linebackers or solid the offensive line yet it's amounted to not a whole lot yet but it seems like they are holding it together you bet but it's Freddie kitchens and that continues to be the problem as I circled in or their all whites okay it could be an timer I'll tell you what was an atrocity to the is did you get a look at that Arizona Cincy game on Sunday I will say you did fix their all whites versus all blacks I think you're going to come out of going underrated who would have seen this come in saying this as a potential stumble here two weeks in an ankle you know but tyreek hill supposed to be back and look out that's all I would say the the the Texans are tough to figure out APPS series but at the same time I just think they're much more talented and it's what I'd like to be able to say he's not a rookie anymore he's played too much exactly which is which is March this guy's going to be the one who's going to solve this curse I don't know about that seahawks brown check shoes the high pick starting to turn around here I think that the second half of the season could be good for the Texans I think this one's a loss though any case to make four y the chiefs your uniform matchup of the year right I don't like to compliment the Ravens but they're purple pants choice has really moderated uniforms and made them much better all right let's do it Mickley inaccurate so it always bothers him you know he's still is though but he is still a rookie but alright I get the spirit of it moving on then to what could be a really bad going to be played not one hundred percent I gotta go saints Defense It's probably the best defense in the league and you're you're gonNa tell me that that you know I mean look I love who doesn't love Gardner I really want to take the seahawks the browns but I'm GonNa take the Seahawks Oh money how could you how could I I'd like to offensive line while even discord in Cleveland and there is not a leader to guide them out of this darkness swell worse than that is more imminently they they need to be concerned with we have a terrible mentioned wants to see him to continue having success but nick foles it ain't it ain't GonNa Happen against that Saints Defense That's my biggest stumbling block I can't envision eyesore of a game uniform wise I like the same June reforms but at the jags that could be a real Matt Hans though the jags where their all blacks yeah and the Saints Offensive Line and it just got exposed by Nick Bosa and that potent niners off defensive line hey we'll play cloudy and Ziggy you know what's funny though did you see like it's not just oh the quarterback but they're not getting sick they're not getting anything it just seems odd

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Killing Mold & Mycotoxins For Good, The Craziest IVs You Can Get For Energy, Fixing Knees & Back Without Surgery & Much More With Dr. Matt Cook

Ben Greenfield Fitness

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Killing Mold & Mycotoxins For Good, The Craziest IVs You Can Get For Energy, Fixing Knees & Back Without Surgery & Much More With Dr. Matt Cook

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I don't know I'm tempted to have something green or Greenfield at the beginning getting because I'm obviously the bandleader the band frontman you're kind of the backup guitarist man that's all maybe but we could also put your name first and have like like cooking with Greens. Ha The green green because I'm the green so that we don't know you don't know who the leader is you don't know and and for those of you listening in Matt and I are actually going to be a on a super secret project on recording an album in Los Angeles next month so soon you won't be able to turn on the radio without hearing Dr Cook and seeing Rollicking Country Music Zik songs which actually have been blasting and all the treatment rooms of been in with Dr Cook thus far during this this two day for a bio reset medical so if you guys aren't familiar with Dr Cook so I've already interviewed him. I'm just GonNa Start Calling you matt because the way we talk to each other and I feel really weird telling when you Dr Cook Yeah. It's pretty awkward. Dr Cook Matt was on the episode called immortal cells biohacking painkilling painkilling lime stem cell confusion how ketamine works and much more it was so good and so popular with you guys that we then followed up when Matt came up to my house us and recorded an episode called what you don't know about CDN THC fixing lime disease the full body blood change reboot peptides one. Oh One hyperthermia and much more now. You need to go back and listen to those episodes at some point. You don't need to know what we're GONNA. Talk about today's show but I'm only all my previous episodes with math and you can dive into those if you go to Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook Three because the third time he's been on the show so ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook the number three is where you can access the show notes and if you hear us kind of fumbling around is we're recording here. It's because Matt does all sorts of crazy never before seen never heard of intravenous treatments at his office and he might be hooking one up to me here while we are recording and speaking of country music. I walked into one of your treatment rooms this morning after we threw down a crazy workout which I kick your ask. The Gym worked out in the old man machines and I was I was at the Kettle Bell. I wasn't really kind of embarrassed for the band just for my poor showing I have to the front man the band make sure that that might python arms are are all prepared so I was doing Jacob's ladder and Turkish kettlebells get ups well. I think you were doing like seeded needed leg addict or was it was possessing yeah. They did get a good workout. Your inner thighs are going to be super tone super town so I walked walked into that room. You're playing country. Music has galloped up to this crazy machine and I've talked about ten pass ozone. I recently interviewed Dr Avi Herskowitz and we talked talked about ozone treatment and and how that works on the blood but you're doing something next level here. Can you tell me what that was with machine was you had her hooked up to and why somebody would do something like that yeah so that's dialysis and I've been doing high dose ozone in one farmer and other including the ten pass for years and years and years and what happens with that just to reference since you mentioned is is that there was a machine that creates a vacuum and and sucks blood up into a basically an egg device and then this machine mixes ozone with that blood and then the blood goes back in that's called one pass so then the idea is if you did that two times that would be to passes. There's an each time about two hundred sees blood goes out and then gets ozone and then goes back in yeah and I've done that I did the ten pass and I actually actually felt like Superman afterwards with the ten pass ozone that you just described I do that different facility but but you're doing something beyond that now right so if you did that ten times that'd be the ten pass what you saw today is what we do is I take and put an IV in the arm and then I use a pump and pump blood out and then I extended through dialysis filter so when we send it through dialysis filter it filters out toxins it filters out proteins and it filters out antibodies ladies and then we apply ozone to the dialysis filter the whole time and then we apply suction and so what happens in this technique is is is that proteins sorta come out and you saw that that foam at the bottom yeah and so then that's the little bucket kit underneath federal world the plasma proteins were collected creates a little plasma separation and it pulls off proteins and because I'm doing it with with filtration what I've noticed is people don't have any flare so you're super healthy and I give you the you got. The ten passed up an obvious and he felt like a million bucks however you're doing everything right and you don't have almost any toxicity in your body if you take somebody with lime disease and you do that straight out of the straight out of the shoot a lot of times people super flare and have her excitement reaction because you're not filtering out anything that you killed old so it goes in and then it all goes right back in and your body has to deal with it so by running it through a filter and eating it at the same time I get all of the benefits of the ozone plus the filtration plus the detox so you're telling me that this can have an effect on cholesterol to which I think is really really interesting in an era of statins right now. Being of course go to treatment for cholesterol and a lot of Docs are still prescribing statins it it does it sounds like this might actually make that move point for a lot of people when you pull the blood how you literally see lipids coming through so you literally can see in some people that have real high cholesterol Yossi every two to three centimeters of the tubing. You'll see big packets limpets my pets once it goes through the filter. All of those come out now. I've got a couple different ways because there are filters that are designed just to filter Lipids Tippett's and so that's called Labor for this and we do that but then we also have found that repulsed many lipids out with this technique that that you probably don't really need to do live performances works better. What about the good lipids? What about light like will this impact? HDL Cholesterol. If you do something like that so so you you get interesting because we were talking yesterday about peptides raising. It's the cholesterol what I find is that the as I sorta attract people the the good cholesterol cholesterol's you're still eating high-fat Diet and you're eating a diet with a lot of real healthy fats and so we're constantly replacing those and so if I if I basically deep book about the blood of of cholesterol and lipids then when you fill it up you start you preferentially starting to fill up the good ones especially if you're doing everything right lifestyle right so if I leave here in drenching my salad with extra virgin olive oil and having some fatty cuts of fish and maybe a little bit of coconut oil in my coffee etc.. I'm replacing all EXAC- yeah. How do you feel like you told me you done this yourself? I haven't done it before but how how do you personally feel as a healthy guy doing ozone dialysis I feel better than I've felt like at any point in my life and so and and what I how I talk about all of these things is each of the big techniques has kind out of a profile of it how it affects you and so for example. I did plaza freeze this weekend. So what happens is that has a profile it was on dialysis has a profile ten. Pass has a profile stem cells have a profile killer profile all of the I v.'s have of what they do and the sweet spot is then figuring out what everything does and then knowing when to do what okay and there's a lot of very interesting thing I vs that you're running the I wanna get into but before we talk about. IV's and I think you're even you're hooking me up to some what are what are we doing today. During the PODCAST I I'm going to do our NAVIEN and I'll give you high dose vitamin C. Okay we'll give you some course then some Ivy Co Q. Ten and I always combine cookie Tannin Quercetin Cookie Tannin in eighty together because they're both are conrail enhancer okay and so I'm trying to stack mutliple handrail enhancers. I'm GONNA bring some trimethyl Lycene in which you're gonNA take which we talked about which is super interesting because it makes any deco easier okay which yeah this might be a good point to just get into all of that so you have any D- that you administer here and I've talked about that many times before on the show about how potent amount of conroy enhancer enhancer that is and and how important is for longevity and anti-aging as well just because the steep decline as you age but of course it feels like a punch in the gut when you're getting the I-I've flush reaction etc.. How're you mitigating that with your with your treatment here at the clinic? It was great because I I got the opportunity pretended to talk to John. McCullough remember you introduce me to him. He called you and got my phone number and so and this is kind of like the acceleration of learning and thinking about things so he called me and he was telling me about Niacin and we we started to have all these conversations. It forced me to go back to literature and start reading about Niacin and I found out that when you take Niacin it it it's quite wait interesting. E it creates a to metabolize you get methylated NIACIN products showing up in the body in the she'll show show up in urine and for the listener just to understand what that means when you say methylated Niacin. What does that mean exactly so Kurban in its most simple simple form exists as a method group so you could think of the most simple form of carbon in the body is a methyl group if you take one piece of of carbon and put it on a protein a lot of times that activates and so we say we meth late that that that molecule so for example example if I want to activate vitamin I would methylated okay and so then in the process of breaking down Niacin it seems that there's a lot of methylation relation that goes on in terms of bring it down what I what I begin to think about and if you're taking any it causes a flushing reaction that's very similar to the Niacin and so that made me began to wonder? We don't have a lot of evidence on this. I'm going to try to figure this out in more scientific detail but the flushing that you get from taking in a D is very similar to the flushing that you get when you take Niacin and so I began to wonder I wonder if I gave methyl donors if that would make it easier to take and it's how I and I basically just went and looked up the methyl cycle and truth license there and that's definitely the methyl donor that's the easiest to take with the least amount aside and trimethyl gliding you can just drink that like orally right. It's drinking yeah at the same time that you're getting the NASD IV yeah and so then what happened is literally overnight. I just started giving people that ad and everybody in my clinic said any D. is twice as easy to take now as it used to be you don't think that would interfere at the cellular uptake of the NASD having having methylated athlete glancing at the same time my my census is is that it goes in easier and people feel better and they have the more profound effect yeah I did this yesterday after having done many NFC IV's and if anything I felt a greater uptick of energy you on and I've been I've been go go go all weak relative you know I'm sleeping about six and a half hours a night compared to my normal eight hours just because of the load on my plate right now now and I did that we went out to dinner we were out until ten thirty. PM or so and you know I I normally just would have been exhausted at that point and and my energy levels are through the roof uh-huh yeah okay so you co- administer the NASD with trimethyl glide scene and then you're also implementing other Michael Conroy enhancers light coq ten and carseat and at the same time yeah and then and I think of the Dick Kerr car seats and more as as anti-inflammatory my hands are admitted may have a little bit of a Medicare benefit and then interesting some people the the name of the game is then trying to track and see what people can take and within like so for example if you can tolerate taking Sammy which is another are part of the methyl cycle if you take I I've never taken cocaine but when I if I takes if I take two to three Sammy's this Zami being ESA dino maddening and you're taking that orally or only when you're doing the idea twice effective. Wow Yeah so I do that. I do that quite a bit now where my mind is going. Is You know a lot of an a d supplements along with an supplements are now becoming widely widely available not as potent as the I v.'s but still a source for people who might not be able to do or Ford Ivey Administration. Patches are another thing uh-huh quite common could someone theoretically at home taken any D- capsule or an r. m. n. and simultaneously just from Amazon or wherever else by Sammy by trimethyl glycemic supplement with those at the same time they take their their energy to kind of hack the same effect at home right so yes you know it was interesting because I got to listen listen to McCall interviewed sinclair and completely independent from me. I kind of figured out this Trial Creek lycene thing turns out he he in this podcast mentions. I think it's coming out in the next week or two that when he have I've already heard I got. I got the pre release version Asia Yeah Same Ellen when when he takes big doses of his products he takes the t. m. g. as well and so there's something going going on there that I think is very synergistic and smart. People are thinking about it so I'm super super interested and beginning to understand this this physiology more do you just just in case people are wanted to shop around for this. have any brands that you like for Sammy or trimethyl lysine or you just getting some physicians. It's super secret special pretty much yeah okay all right and and and I it's embarrassing. I'm not even I'm just going to whole foods and buying it. Yeah okay well. If you're if you're listening in because I love to crowd source knowledge on this podcast and you have a really good source of Sammy trimethyl Lycene that you use that you vetted go to Ben Greenfield thinnest dot com slash Matt Cook Three and just leaving no over there go to the go grab a bottle the team we have great and as a powder form and it makes perfect with water okay. That's fascinating that that's going to be very cool for a lot of people now. Another thing that I found I'm very interesting was how you're tackling mold and micro-toxins with a nebulizer and he had me try this out yesterday. How are you using a nebulizer for this a- actually matt I I totally forgot before get into the mold and Michael Toxins and how using the nebulizer the nebulizer before we leave the bandwagon behind subcutaneous yes in a d like a subcutaneous injection we also did that yesterday? I just remembered can can you fill folks in on that and why you do that so the subcutaneous eighty I you think might have more of a cognitive effect than any of the other. IV's when you put the I v n then the faster than goes the more flushing there s and the slower that comes the less flushing there is so we're able to tolerate titrate that in over somewhere between one and six or seven hours if I give you subcu- to give you a dose and it gets immediately absorbed and there's a curve of absorption and basically and so what I get as and so yesterday what I did I injected two hundred milligrams for you seventy two and then that absorbs over for forty five to fifty minutes and just so so those of you who might not know what that means that's actually under the skin so rather than IV administration or intramuscular or anything like that or oral administration. That's just like almost like an insulin syringe containing and I injected a suitcase and basically means in the fat which you don't have very much these days so I'm working on on that for the band oh good good I mean working on keeping it off for the band frontman show for the CD cover you want to tell them about the a ah the ones either and I'm going to wear no. I don't want to disturb our listeners so subcutaneous. NASD would be something you could use if you're really going after the cognitive effects that head ahead clearing effect that can give you and then a dose of anywhere between one hundred and five or six or seven hundred milligrams of therapeutic dose the more you begin to hack everything else the last of the that you need and so you can get almost all of the benefit that you would get from five number six hour. IV from humane subcutaneous injection well so I have people all over the world that I mail stuff Q. Injections and so if someone one has like the powdered vials of any you could just basically reconstitute that or like star water check subcutaneous. NASD's incredibly hard to buffer and so I have compounding pharmacy buffer for me and and and it works a million times better so I wouldn't I wouldn't and try to reconstitute it at home and deal because it doesn't work very well as okay. There's probably like zero point zero zero. One percent of our listeners would think about doing that anyways or who have much in a D- hundred files in their in their freezer so there there are people go there. Are there's a lot of Dr Listening to those who are going to like this kind of stuff so okay. Let's move onto mold and mycotoxin. That's something that you're well known for treating along with lime and treating very successfully and you're using a nebulizer process for this. Can you describe so the the conversation about mall. This mall usually lives in a biofilm either in the nose us or the intestine so when I'm kind of working somebody up and I'm talking to him. I try to get a sense of like. Do you have any sinus problems or green nasal issues as everything perfect so like a new patient yesterday and they're like I've been having sinus problems full-time for the last twenty years some common notices perfect now a common bacteria that is called. There's a bacteria called Mark owns the that can okay can colonize the nose and when that bacteria colonize the knows it will secrete and other ones can call an ice knows as well and they start to secrete a biofilm and denoted by famous I do but can you describe in your words to listeners so have have you ever seen at the edge of a pond you see that almost gelatinous mucus sort of layer that's like right there at the edge of the pond right my bathtub sometimes exactly so that's aspect and fungi and mold and when they've live together they secrete this the this mutinous mixture mixture. That's a place for them to live and then they live in there they get some protection from the environment and then that's where everything happens from a microbial perspective like out in nature if they start to call an is you either on your intestine or in your nose then what can happen is that they secrete that and now you have a bio phone in your nose that is mutinous gelatinous mixture mixture where where they're living and it provides them them some cover where they can just love and live for a long time now now if someone suspected that they had been exposed to Moulder mycotoxin on my have a biofilm like that. Is there some kind of a nasal swab test or something like that could is this something someone could order to their home or does a physician position to do this test we do that test but but you could ask any physician to sign up with a company and then they just order it and what's the name of that test to know. It's just it's just like we have like one hundred in the back and say I just ask them to order the test. Okay surname about okay okay so so you you have this biofilm in the nose and it's mold and it's releasing these mycotoxin okay so then this is this is tricky in all likelihood there was a biopharm and it just happened to be there and often in in the intestines Heston's. There's also a biofilm. Maybe somebody had a little bit of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Maybe they had some parasites and so there's a biofilm there there and it's just happens to be this environment where these microbes are living then a person goes in and then they get into a house or they get exposed somehow to mold and they breathe in that mold and that mold comes in and then enters that biofilm now once he gets in there. That's like a fantastic place for that Malta live and so then they just set up house and the way that mold works. Have you ever seen a piece of bread. I was telling you about this yesterday where there's the green of the mold and then all around. There's nothing there yeah I usually just picked a little greenspan inspect often eat the bread I love that so then that penicillins like maybe one of the most famous molds and so then what that green is is doing is it secretes little Tan tiny nanoparticles called micro-toxins so mycotoxin is not the mold the mycotoxin Foxton is a toxin that the mold secretes because it's kind of a gangster and it's trying to kill everybody else in that Biofilm so it comes in it lives in in there and starts to secrete that that talks on the problem is that the mycotoxin is getting secreted into the biofilm in the biofilm is literally right next to all the blood vessels either in your nose or your intestine so now that Mike Toxin gets into your bloodstream right and Mica toxins are neuro-toxins axons and then they fatigue and then I do a blood test and I looked to see if people have antibodies to mall toxins right because the body sees toxin is basically a neurotoxin in the body is trying to react to it and it doesn't have a lot of good ways to deal with it starts to make antibodies but now your immune system is fading thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of mole toxins that are floating around your body and causes an incredible amount of immune dysregulation now how we find out if somebody has mold is if they have chronic illness then by definition I have to work it up so I have a cup and then send it off to see if there's Mica Toxins in that cup and so that's part one then I checked to see if they have antibodies to Michael Toxins and then if that's the case then I have them do a little digging mhm around in their house and make sure that that house doesn't have a whole bunch of mold that they're breathing in on a regular basis but which they could have a professional like they they could get a is an army analysis yeah like if you go to surviving mold dot com you can read up on those type of home analyses and then there's there's professionals beyond that that come in and help you work up same website could help you find those people to write but so now imagine the immune system's floating around in the bloodstream trim trying to fight these these millions of product Nanno toxins that are floating around and so the key to getting rid of them is eliminating mandating that biofilm eliminating where the mold is living and so that's improving nasal health and improving gut health okay so then on the nasal front what I found out as you can nebulizers see minerals and you can also nebulous glued thion and I combine C minerals and Kim Thanh on and Glutathione seem minerals keen Thanh and glutathione and nebulous means people play this mask over their face. I did this yesterday. Breathe breathe all of that in through their nose and those three things put together. We'll kill the mold that will start to kill the phone because it starts right up the BIOFILM and once I started dry that up and improve the health of the nasal mucus Sir then the biofilm goes away in the biofilm is aware than the mall does living okay so then the name of the game. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. What's going on the nose and then he'll and make it so there's there's no place for that multi level because if I said where are ninety percent of the MICA toxins in somebody's body coming coming in from it's probably in a biofilm one of those two locations okay so you sued nebulizers and I assume there's something in the minerals that would that'd be breaking down the BIOFILM? This is working. I think so and you know you you were telling me about how you're doing. The salt breathing in the sauna yeah yeah it's called Halo therapy and clear lights on nestling on their website these microcrystalline salt units that you mount on the wall of the Sauna Wanna I just added one of these two my sauna and you put a little packet of salt into a tube that sits on this halo therapy device and then a small metal metal bead and when you flip it on the metal bead circulates very rapidly within the tube breaks up all these salt crystals and releases microcrystalline salt particles into the air. You're breathing salt the whole time you're in the sauna. It's called Halo therapy yeah so I think that it's something similar to that and that that as you start to break up and dry up those biofilms and then they go away. It's not my total protocol. The first step in what I can tell you is the next step a lot of times people will give like different types of silver colloidal silver an antibiotic sprays which are the traditional naturopathic mainstays of treating this. That's what I found is. If I get you to do the include without minerals and then also a lot of times what I'll do is I'll do the amniotic fluid we'd like you never realized afterwards and I start to heal in detox and get rid of that bowel film if I still have to do the antibiotics in the solver over people have way less side effects than it's way easier for them so they nebulizer antibiotics and the silver two or there's taking those those are just nasal sprays okay uh all right got it and then the amniotic fluid that you're nebulizer. It's literally like human amniotic fluid and what's that doing. That's what's repairing the Biofilm then with that's that's just improving the health. There's so there's all kinds of growth factors and it's extremely anti-inflammatory okay and so I'm not looking at that as being biofilm buster about I'm looking at that as just improving the overall health of an area. If I improve the health and the functioning of the the nasal mucosal then that makes you more likely to be able to get rid of all the problems and then this this basically an infection that somewhat opportunistic that really shouldn't be there unless something else is going wrong. What do you do about the biofilm on the gut? So then the the bathroom is is like the holy grail of functional medicine because if you can he all the all all of your immune systems there and once you start to fix that everything else it kind of goes away so part one is I do a test brashly have parasitology look and he actually does a study under microscope to see if there are parasites. It's he looks to see if there's cyst or any form of the parasite. I also do a CBO see breath test okay to look for bacterial overgrowth. I do a lot of talking to kind of get a sense of what symptoms people have and and so before I develop a plan it it relates to is this phone. Call is this bacterial is this mold is that or or is that is that all of them and so then in in general the first thing that I do is put people on Spore based probiotics and and so and I'll start with sports probiotic and then I'll two to four weeks and I'll I'll add a support base bacillus all all interspersed that with some regular probiotics and so then I'm building up their microbial health then eventually once they're stable with that all start to very carefully puddings and prebiotics that were studied to work with this poor best probiotic that we do so on that sense we're building that up in terms of breaking down the biofilm There's fiber on and there's all kinds of cross linking and so I just events to start to break and clip apart that Biopharm but people take on an empty stomach right and so because otherwise they'd be working on the food on not on the stomach right and so I'll use baluch in limbo kind nine Baluch censor today's and then I'll I'll start mixing other digestive enzymes based on what people can tolerate but the digestive enzyme. Am Start to clip away and breakdown that bow phone. Sometimes I'll use them. ETA there's a product called interface plus that will key laid laid out any minerals that are part of the Matrix of that biofilm and then I'm left with at a macro level. What's going on and it's this parasite? It's parasite than what I do. Is I put people on a dropper of an anti parasitic that they're gonNA take for like six or eight months because this parasites are coming out and then they're going back into hiding phase and coming out if I have you on a long-term regular program then then when they come out every day you're taking it so it's kind of like dollar cost averaging for parasites and so then every day you're you're you're treating them if if they have CBO then I get them to change their diet and get them to eliminate shirker and then and there's a couple of diets that are incredibly helpful. If people have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth like elemental diet yeah there's the specific carbohydrate hydrate Diet Diet and onboard them to that. I say it is this is going to be easy and but we're not gonNA to do this forever. We're GONNA do this for six months and for some people they can handle it very well. Then what I'll do is all have them follow the Diet Eighty or ninety ninety percent and because we're doing all these other things they can get away with not being completely. OCD on that Diet okay now then in parallel to that if they have parasites I've got these herbal parasitic drinks yeah you send some of those when I had Giardi at what exactly are those so what they are is. They're they're different herbal concoctions and so there's Candida there's bacteria. There's there's there's another two different types of Protozoan and medicine parasites and so there are herbs that that are designed to take care of each one so you've got a Protozoan so I gave you that now for noticed. You're basically like totally Italy in charge of everything and your diet and your lifestyle and all of that is going perfect. Obviously kicking your ass on the gym this morning. That's an but you know what off I'm so happy. Being the second best athletes are banned but even if your brother joins and I'm the third best athletes late. I'm still Lebron's says I'm on the podium yeah so so for you. I just gave you the juice and four if somebody has a lot of issues what I'll do is I'll onboard them and start on the Diet. I'll start them taking digestive enzymes. I'm GONNA give them products. I'm going to give them a biofilm mm busters right and then I'll give them that anti-parasitic dropper. They're gonNA take for a relatively long time yeah and then once they're stable all and they're tolerating that and they're not hurting and everything is okay. Then as the surge I give them these herbal plant juices that that I think probably Halfa and bustling and then they have an herbal effect of actually going after and then a lot of times what I'll do an top of that I'll add in bourbon or some other herbal Lanta microbials yeah and then like some of the if somebody takes the doctor's data test if there's bacteria they actually test test sensitivity and so it'll show oh you whether the bacteria sensitive to Versi over there was sensitive differing and so then I use all of that day that's a stool panel Lepanto and we do a lot of testing with doctors in other companies to to identify what we're facing so that we can go in and treat and what I'll tell you is that if you look at all people that have complex problems complex mauled complex lime complex all sort of major issues where people are really struggling ninety percent of the time they had ad if you walk through their history they had a fairly big gastrointestinal situation and they had leaky got find out that they had leaky gut for two or three years a lot of inflammation and problems potentially visceral out of Positi and probably multiple different infections. Maybe a little bit of mall maybe a little bacterial overgrowth. Maybe handed I maybe all of them. Maybe parasites that causes a ton of immune dysregulation and then it's when they get bit by a tick and they get lime disease on top of immune dysregulation. We're nobody's doing their job. That's why people get really sick so if you can build a program where you start to heal the gut even though we do all of these crazy as you sexy IV's and advanced injections and stem cells and things like that I spend half my time healing the gut and doing these sort of foundational simple things because if you don't fix those things you can't get people better hey on interrupt today's show to give you a little hoop not related to the topic of today showed a different different kind of whoop whoop is the self quantification tool that's changing a lot of people track their fitness and optimize their training including a bunch of pro teams in the NBA The nfl the NHL. 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I believe it was the main thing I actually she also had a mould count positive that we thought was from the Goat Barn and I'm blown away by by the comprehensiveness so the approach. I think that's the main thing people need to realize you can't just take bear brain. You can't just take some BIOFILM disruptor. You can't just drink the anti parasitic juice this stuff needs to actually be all systematically programmed right and so then like in her case she's kind of started nebulizers and so if there was a biofilm there that was a minor biofilm that somebody wouldn't have been bothered by if they didn't get exposed to mold than than but we're going to eliminate that and there's no a place for them all to love we eliminated in the gut and then she's GonNa do the juicers and the droppers and do that whole thing the other thing thing to to think about is that if people have antibodies to mold and people have a lot of Mak- toxins in their in their urine after I start to do all of this stuff and breaking the biofilms and another thing I didn't mention but is taking binder earth earth and so I'm a huge fan of Chris Shade and everything looks over scientific. Yeah we took some of that last night. It sounds like babies amazing. We did six rays rays of light Baku which is like his Gaba inhibitory neurotransmitter six praise of their melatonin which is like the most powerful militant overused and then six sprays of their hemp Colorado hemp and you're just like all their life is similar formula are good. It was amazing so I'll put people on his binders yeah and then he uses this technique where he takes them. Bidders which Kinda squeezes the gallbladder and push his any toxins out of the gallbladder liver into into the intestine and then about half hour later you can take one of his binders and there are different binders for different problems so there are some binders that are better for binding onto mold old and then there's some binders that are his eye. MD Intestinal Metal Detox has that are better for binding onto metals and so then now certainly to to to talk about it that way and then once I've got somebody on a real estate program if I don't one hundred percent fix things with it was on dialysis and plasma freezes and what I found by the way as plasma free assists and it was in Dallas really lower mold levels load imagine because as you mentioned some of those micro-toxins can get into the bloods if using on dialysis and you're going after the nasal cavity and the gut already then you're also addressing addressing issue with the blood and then sometimes even with that I will put somebody on Sporran Arcs which is an Antifungal try to systemically kill all the mold and just as highlight kind of to remember this there is clinically is almost a look that people I'll have that you can that looks like they have mauled a friend of mine's natural path and walk into my clinic and she looked at this person and goes out they look like they have mold and it was his patient of mine has Parkinson's and a lot of people with neuro degenerative problems that we see Parkinson's concerns Alzheimer's also have mold and so then why do you think that is because if they have about Alpha in the nose as right next to the brain in or if they have their systemically. I have a guy who I have saw. VIP person who had just been consulting over the phone because he's a friend of mine and trump isn't out yet I wish so but he had a candida in every bodily fluid was checked. Wow so then imagine you have some immune dysregulation and this is the story I think for like two hundred things we could go through it and it's GonNa be the same story which is leaky Gut Visceral Outta Positi inflammation all all the sudden undigested food getting into the bloodstream and the immune system's paying attention to that is paying attention to more is being released by biofilms and so it's not effectively doing his job and then because of that people can start to actually have some of these infections happen into their brain so people can have borelli ah which is the bacteria that causes lime or mold or bowl living up into the brain and and and so for example sampled some people that show up here that that had abscesses in their brain and so then what we're trying to do is fully detox on eliminate all of those stealth infections because stealth infections are underlying gigantic amount of problems both cardiovascular they're logic immunologic and they can be very big factors in terms of all immune diseases as well then so so then now you start to have a rational thoughtful approach to thinking about all these problems where I just going to look look and figure out well. Let's just work up and see if you have any of these things if you have then we can talk about a lot of different strategies to treat them but it's critical to treat it. Okay got it now. I know we just went through a ton you guys and so far everything we talked about all put links to at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Matt Cook Three but I want to. I want to change direction a little bit and talk about regenerative medicine enjoins for example yesterday treated my knee with a very cool protocol that incorporated ozone exa soames in something called nerve hydro dissection which I think if more people knew about this there will be far fewer unnecessary surgeries being performed for orthopedic issues. can you describe exactly what you did for example in my case to my knee so so I think I think joints in terms of five compartments so there's the nerves and you can even say nerves arteries veins on them fats then there's the Fasha then there's the ligaments and tendons that are going to cross then there's the joint and the joint capsule APPs on the synovium and then there's the subcontractor space which is the the basically where the bone marrow is on either side of the joint stuff you look at a join. There's what's the joint inbetween to bounds. There's marrow of each bone and then everything surrounding it and then on top of that is is the systemically how inflamed you are and if you call Fasha its own thing than it would be six. If if you don't call fascism call that the same with nerves and arteries so that's five so then what I do is do an assessment so I look with an ultrasound at the nerve and I touch it and pal paid at I track at a look to see if there's dilated fast calls because a nervous like a water hose that's carrying neurotransmitters transmitters out and and what would be a dilated facile for people who are selling a nerve is basically like electrical wire and so so a federal nerve you think of that as one nerve but that's actually hundreds and hundreds of fast calls that are going out and and each facet call is like a little tiny nerve and the nerve is made up of a whole bunch of those wrapped together inside basically a sheet and so what I do is I looked to see if people have nerve nerve pain then what I do is I and that nerve pin me because they're just super inflamed so for example if somebody had chemotherapy and they all have peripheral neuropathy people cannot perfectly healthy for all kinds the problems but or people could just have impingement so for example carpal tunnel is impingement of a nerve if somebody has nerve pain for any reason then what what I do is I use an ultrasound and I take a needle and I put the needle in the Fasha in between the muscles were the nervous and then I injected and I surround that nerve fluid and my whole life was doing nerve blocks for fifteen years as an anesthesiologist just put put local anesthetic nerve and put it to sleep and then set somebody up and do a shoulder surgery wideawake yeah so that was kind of like my my life and then I found out that if you put X. oems around nerve or placental matrix then it will start to calm down and he'll peripheral neuropathy all kinds of peripheral nerve pain nerve impingement and and and so then I that that's what that's basically started my career and so then then we look at the nerve we look at the ligaments and tendons and we look at the joint and so in your case I did some nerve hyder dissection because you had a branch of Agnes and operator nerve that we're in some pain and so I put placetas matrix around each of those nerves and and then I your your joint had fluid in it and so what happens is the joint lining is kind of making Ben. I needs a little more. WD Forty because his knee was inflammatory and so then what I'll do is stick the needle and I'll put something regenerative living there. There's a lot of fluid I'll pull that fluid out and love Aaj with Elaine and I probably would have done that normally but we were trying to do forty five things and like two hours so then after Lavazza it out I will put in something that will stay there and because I'm really are you trying to calm down the knee and stop it from making so much fluid. I put him placental Matrix because it tends to stay there for a couple of months. What is placental Matrix works? Basically what happens is you take placenta and all of the growth factors that go to a baby there and they basically put it in a blender and grinded up up and make it into a flow ball state and then the game are radiant so there's no stem cells in there. There's nothing living there's no living. DNA But there's there's an enormous amount of Collagen and a lot of growth factors and that college is the scaffold okay and then the placenta is by itself is Super Anti Hi inflammatory and seems to have anti infectious components so if your knee was dry and didn't seem like there was not much going on in the joint I might have just put I probably would just sums it however they had put some maxims and your recently and it was still hurting so I said I'm an apostle matrix center and I put a ton in there and then I also had decided that the nerve some people will come. They'll have a super inflamed knee. Laments and tendons are led up the sometimes ligaments tendons have laxity and so they're loose so the joints unstable nap nerve pain so so I'll treat the ligaments and tendons all-star to stabilize that I'll treat the joint and then some people have an incredible amount of marijuana Dima and so then we'll take either stem cells or excess oems or a placental Matrix and actually stick into the bone marrow and start to treat that and calm that down and so that's not in the join that's in the bone that a lot of times your he'll that and that'll make the pain Komet now you are a big fan of using imaging for these procedures and I've been to a lot of doctors and you know just because I kind of do this immersive journalism thing and and I go into a lot of clinics and in many of them do protocols and some of them will do injections of stem cells or access homes or other Pirlo zone type of treatments in the absence of imaging but every room I've walked into where you've been working with patients hear you you always have this ultrasound imaging hooked up and the screen that shows and by by the way for those of you who want to see this I did a whole like two hour long instagram story yesterday at Matt's Office and I'm GonNa put a link to that in the in the show no not for you and you can see if you if you watch that instagram story what this digital imaging looks like you can literally see the outline at the needle as is going into Oh my knee but why do you. Why do you do the imaging when so many docs don't feel a need for that so the my mentor an hydrogen section as Tom Clarke he's amazing he? He walked in here this morning. Oh that guy was Tom Clarke. Okay Gotcha so he told me he said you've evolved into your clinic as a dilemma clinic and so the average person that comes here has been at five or ten doctors already. I see see a lot of people who went to get a nerve treatment from somebody who got did the line injection on a nerve that was mildly bad and and then because they weren't using imaging they suck the needle right into the nerve and so I've got a whole bunch of people that I've fixed but who had chronic nerve pain from a treatment like that I take when I don't know if you remember like you know I want you got to watch that treatment that I did for that guy yesterday with his or is it was his his his elbow his hand and so then I'm I was like Noah meters away from his owner nerve but I never touched it so I'm able to see where that needle is and so then I actually go in and this is I learned this as an anesthesiologist I I'm in the fashion plane but I'm never touching the nerve and so I'm able to create a halo regenerator fluid around that nerve I can do that around attendant and then I can literally take my needle and then guided into a joint and then I'm one hundred percent sure that like in your case if I put eight thousand dollars worth the product into a joint I WANNA be super sure that I got that in and I wasn't just like in your quadriceps muscle right and so the and what I tell people is this is kind of an evolving space so other people are doing some cells and stuff like that the within the next ex couple years the absolute standard of cares that there's essentially no injection that should be done without imaging so when when you're doing this type of treatment treatment you know the the knee the elbow the risk the handle those seem pretty straightforward but do you ever go near the spine because a lot of people will ah these days are getting back surgery and I question sometimes whether that back surgery is completely necessary. Have you had much success with spinal rehabilitation or retreating spine line issues that may be the biggest thing that I do and a friend of mine would they did like some marketing for regenerative medicine into this clinic that that doesn't do spine and eighty percent of the people that call had back problems and so how do you think about that and kind component imagine in your mind the spine so there's the disk and the vertebral bodies in the front and then there's little joints in inspired process and there's a whole bunch of basically ligament complex in the back and then inbetween is the spinal cord so then what happens is if the choice in the back are not doing their job then when force comes through the forest can't even go through those US joints and if it can't go through those joints that creates torque and that Torque goes through the spine and starts to impinge the nerves that are going out the side so my approach is I look and I figure out everything that's going on so I look every for back pain example. I look at every lumbar that I look at the Elliott Lombardo ligaments I like SL joins I look at the transverse process I look at the Quadros Lombardo erector spine allocate every muscle group and then because I'm looking with an ultrasound if a lot of times what will happen as people facade arthritis or arthropathy and then the nerves that go out out by the the facet joints which are called the media and branches will be impinged and because of that that all of the deep spinal muscles muscles are not getting enough nerve electricity input and so then what they do is they go okay fine. I'll put some fat down in there and that's called fat atrophy and that sort of stabilizes is is those muscles because the idea is if you're ligaments and tendons and joints can't do the job than the body just puts it into spasm to try to hold volt create structural integrity and stability so then I build a map and a lot of times people will come in and they'd been intended attend pain and like they're on the end of the schedule for spinal fusion and then I'll make a less than my priorities and from one to ten and then we'll start to go in and Alster auster too and so then I will use postle matrix excess oems appear P P P stem cells and then whilst start to stabilize is all of those things sometimes I'll do a fashion plain block route but fluid inbetween quotas Lombardo Zoe's sometimes Queen Quarter Rados lumbar Laura and I'm treating all of those things a lot of times actually put exorcisms in the girl space and then I'll also put excess homes or Stem Cells Appear Pee into the desk but what I found is as if you do if you do this in a staged approach eighty five five percent of the time I fix everything without having to go into the desk. There's more complications with with that and so what I try to do is I try to do the lowest risk the thing that I know I can do a reproducible way again and again and again expose people least amount of risk as I guide them through sort of the healing process it it seems like a no brainer compared to going straight in for spinal surgery the probability that with that type of approach because you're looking with an ultrasound sound and so I'm looking and I see the needle come down and touch the Faucet uh-huh and then I see the fluid go through the facade capsule so the probability the problem with that type of treatment is super super low now even all of those people. I'm talking and trying to gather what's going on and a lot of those people will for example. Let's say I had somebody with back pain. Let's say they had airless. Dan Lewis Syndrome their more susceptible opt to ligament laxity and all kinds of problems. If I can begin to stabilize was get them better even if they have surgery they're going to do way better so even if people end up having surgery and I think we prevent almost more back surgeries than knee surgeries so you've talked about the the knee so many people have medial knee pain and a lot of that is either pain at the Sir Torius and Chrysalis muscles they rub on each other and branches of this Naff nece and after it or nerve are raped. They're getting kind of chronically impinged even a lot of people who had total knee replacement REC- tons of people total knee replacement who are ten years out on a total knee and they've had pain from day one because that had nerve pain so then what we do is hydro dissect those nerves and calm down a lot of times we can get people with total joints out of pain just from doing nerve hydrogen section and because the orthopedic surgery world hasn't really embrace this but it was it was it was awesome yesterday 'cause I had a conversation with an orthopedic surgeon than Seattle and I explained all this to him and he goes that totally makes sense and it was he's cool guy because heat heated orthopedic surgery at UCSF right before I did anesthesia. UCSF and I told them I said the whole thing's things accelerating and working because five years ago I was trying to tell her with surgeons about this and there was basically one guy in the whole world was like listening to me. He's as a friend of mine that now everybody's kind of opening up to this and so there's going. I believe that we're entering a much more collegial and sharing moment when people are just going to look at it as new medicine and it's not really alternative or naturopathic. It's just like we're all doing. We're on the same team. I'm doing the same thing yeah well speaking of new medicine. This might be a little bit of a curve ball and and we we haven't talked about this at all but you you get around a a lot to a lot of these medical conferences. You're obviously on the cutting edge and digging into a lot of new things. Is there anything that's kind of on the frontier of regenerative medicine or functional medicine that you think is going to be either the next big thing take medicine by storm or that. You're personally pretty excited about that. You haven't had a chance to talk about before we do a ton of PTSD and and the people you mentioned that that they're doing the research search with maps yes. I think that the people are going to do with salt and in terms of treating people offer with PTSD is going to be the next big thing because it's going to people when I was a resident people in medical medical school and they're like don't do PTSD because nobody gets better but now we do it and it's like everybody gets better and so I think that those things paired with things like the taking the unblocking Kademi and are going to be kind of a very major adjunct in that and by the way the Stella gangling blocking Ketamine feels you're listening in we have a whole podcast broadcast about that that I recorded with Matt where we talk about how he can literally reset the vagus nerve deactivate the sympathetic nervous system and use something like ketamine mean to affect amazing chain only for for trauma and Ptsd but just for folks who are stress who are anxious who need to to get into a more relaxed state. We need to increase vehicle nerve tone but now what you're talking about is the prospect of combining those kinds of treatments with something like md or something like suicide than in in in a facilitated format where a doctor like you is actually overseeing that briar protocol right now now then to answer your stalling thing to think of something but now that now that my brands back the on the General Medicine Front worth I'm thinking about what can I do hydrogen action with so what can I put around a nerve or into the Fasha this healing and so then the latest evolution of this is peptides so turns out you can do higher dissection with one five seven right and it's lights out amazing however someone has to be able to tolerate the dose that you give them so so for example BBC one five seven like I gave you ten milligrams. Iv because standards subcutaneous dose that's often recommended a folks like two hundred and fifty micrograms now if I gave you if I gave an average line patient one milligram they would flare so so then what the way that I do it as titrate up extremely slowly and carefully and I'm thinking about people like I'm preparing wearing them for surgery or something like that so I'm judging and building them up once they can tolerate an amount so once they can tolerate a milligram then then you can put one milligram in and around nerve and so and I've had and I have the study where they took and transacted a rat sciatic attic nerve and then they just gave sub Q. Doses at that were really high and the nerve grew back together and so that kind of opened my mind start to think about like okay if people are injecting this sub Q. and they're doing lined injections and nobody has a problem with it then maybe that might be something super interesting interesting to start to put her on nerves. What is we're going to have a radical and exciting waiting moment for the next twenty or thirty years of putting together better and better solutions either with growth factors peptides peptides combinations autologous products where we can start to heal fashionable chains and Connecticut chains and basically turn on electric from an electrical perspective parts of the body and working and that is going to solve so much pain and yeah you were in the opioid epidemic and so we need things so many people have back pain? Were just put on opioids now then if you begin to let's see I'm thinking about it if you all of those people by the way that are on opioids have dramatically low in a D levels because being on chronic opioids lowers your NATO really yeah that's why if you have if were most people who do over the last twenty years have been doing it for opioid and alcohol addiction and so we do these protocols where we'll do a ten day protocol give any day every day. That's where I started with an then I found out if I stacked that with vitamin C in other protocols. I could get to work better than I started to find out that I stack sack with all of these other micronutrients. I got to work better so then imagine this is kind of the complexity where you get somebody who's been on long-term opines. They got no any a you and they've got debilitating pain so then those people have to go in and start to Rehab and he'll it's like a remodeling project. He'll all those assets. Those CONNEC chains get the kinetic chains working and so we're the people the trainers that you're dealing with who are doing high end training like tonight. Yeah I'm giving tonight to to the access personal training group yeah so the the philosophical approach of of what they do for high end athletes that are gonna come and see them is literally exactly actually the same philosophical approach. I have two people who can barely walk down the hall. I'm trying to turn kinetic chains off on you know he'll we are that quote unquote glued Amnesia that all people have and then once you do that then just looking systemically what else is going on and how do I optimize can stabilize all of this. It's fascinating. If someone is listening in the mold mycotoxin or lime. They've got a spine injury. They've they've got a knee injury perhaps even they've got an addiction or PTSD issue. and there are many many other things that you treat should they simply go to the website like go to bow reset medical use use a contact form or something like that Yeah Okay and then when when people do that ten percent ahead of time they'll come. They'll just kind of fly here and stuff but usually what I do is all spend an hour on the phone or half hour on the phone talking to people okay and I'll get a sense of what's going on and I would say probably thirty or thirty to fifty percent of my practice is just people that heard me go on your podcast and what happens is people hurry talking about something I go. I have this problem and I heard you and I think you know how to fix it and so they'll just is kind of Sh- show up like but but a lot of times I'll I can orchestrate for example if somebody has knee pain and it's really bad I might order ordering. MRI for them before they come or staying with the back and so then four labs for said like people could run their mold and mycotoxin labs at home for example and have you would have a lot of that data by the time they show up. I do yeah I do that everyday. Yeah Yeah Okay cool as is very very similar. You know working with a well educated patient. I we know to a certain extent how that feels because I worked with well educated clients like when a client comes to me for my coaching program one of the things that they're required to do we were talking about this at the gym today is they are required to listen to all my podcasts. I'd rather work with a client who already knows everything that I'm delving into everything. I'm educating them. I'm about so then when they ask me questions were taken were doing is taking a deeper dive into some rabbit hole that we didn't get into on a podcast that they've already heard or they're. They're they're paying me and saying Oh ben is should whatever should I go see Matt Cook. Is He right for me in this situation or should I take this supplement. You talked about or by this bio hack so yeah. That's what I like about. This podcast is in. We've we've had this discussion a couple of times you and I have it just helps to educate people so you've got a more informed consumer coming in who just knows a little bit more about their condition and what they need and I think it makes the job for someone like you or someone like me not that much simpler and then like if if I can say something to the people out there is that there's hope like like the so many of these problems that feels like if especially if you hadn't been introduced to sort of like our worldview people don't feel a sense of hopelessness like they're never going to get better and what I tried to to communicate to people that you're GonNa be Great. You're going to heal everything and you're going to be able to heal even if I don't do it. There's there's hope and we're going to find you. Somebody that that that and a lot of people will tell me that I had no sense of hope and then all of a sudden I started to get this idea that I'm going to get better and it as soon as that starts to happen for these big problems then it allows people to come out of fighter flight than the immune system starts to work better they start to feel better make better choices so journey but it's an amazing journey to watch people. Go Down Well Matt. This is the third show that we've done like told those you listening in you. GotTa go listen to the first two as well. You probably know why Matt is one of my favorite physicians sessions. He super well informed super cutting edge. He's also a very nice guy. who has had the had the honor honor of also being my backup in in the Greenhill Cook Band and so so he's got that going for him to ensure medicine then never work out for you matt don't worry you'll always have a place on my band bus nice nice yeah like if so even even Rhody you could be a Rhody and like the backup singer. That'd be a two for one you can feel free to bring your assistant barb here. WHO's sitting with us taking notes and you guys can just come on the road with me? We'll make music and and I don't. I don't know what else you got to be amazing Yeah Yeah but in the meantime folks go to Ben Greenfield finis dot com slash Ashmat Cook Three. That's been grateful fitness dot com slash Matt Cook the number three or you could go to the bio reset medical website bio reset medical dot com Matt's clinic is in San Jose and potentially also up in Seattle soon as well correct yeah exactly and then the GO-TO network Dot Com because we trained physicians to do everything that I told you about the day of docs listening in and they're just drooling at the mouth a lot of this stuff you can teach them. Yeah says bio network DOT COM okay. We'll put that in the show notes as well Matt thank you once again for putting up with me for the third time in a row is awesome. 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"Don't the good morning afternoon or evening. Please delete as appropriate. Hello welcome to this the epic episode assode two to nine of real podcast. I main tipping epoch. nece because that should be our goal for the remainder of twenty nineteen. Some people on social media reminded us all that we have what we have less than two months left in this decade. And thanks Lloyd minding me. Yeah exactly and there are also like saying. Oh what what did you accomplish in this decade. And I'm like a managed to keep body and soul together along with my integrity and my faith in the future despite lots lots and lots of challenges to both. I don't know but what did you do. Annoy tens of thousands of people on social media try and make them small. Incidentally people I am India not go one one of your two hosts and I'm Florence Ion exactly very very good which are give a shout out to Eric Tunein? The this week I I like that. We're now like actually trying to make all of our individual listeners. 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The cultural of paper towels to absorb at least like Eleven Paula. Deen's it's better than butter so much better than being known for butter and casual races. Exactly this SORTA Jaunty racism but used to co- like liked were culturally like our action would be like what okay I really don't want to get into it. Yeah before before. We're able to say what. Wait wait a minute stop and I mean I listen. I love. I love butter I love butter. It's great to cook with. I mean doesn't love like a buttery piece of chicken but polythene like that's your clogged arteries here. Like you know it was see well to be fair. Julia Child also was a big advocate of butter. Well and that's what I was thinking about. What was so much in the casual? You'll racism sort of thing. No now but I was thinking of the Julia child method of bathing the chicken and butter kind of like constantly turning and now I don't Cook my husband cooks but I know at least that a butter bath is the way to cook a piece of meat. Oh God yes. Time So. Butter and garlic. Any other veteran garlic or butter and like any aromatic sees aromatic spice. Like again a couple of grass. I'll take a couple of bricks rigs of that and then that was the that was the thing that kind of made me feel finally like I'd crack something as a cook. It's like Oh that's that's why almost everything I've been cooking in that pan has tasted okay but not great. It's like the first lesson is all I salt and pepper. I have salt and pepper. You Ain't got nothing that's the start. That's that's that's table stakes. Let's see I was. I was raised to be adverse to salt which is hilarious because they're so much MSG in Romanian cooking But I his adverse to using salt because I had been taught that like salt is so bad. Probably because we're using the VA Jetta seasoning which has like a lot of sodium in it And so when I moved out on my own and started cooking I was was not a person who would salt her pasta and my husband. Who was my boyfriend at the time was fairly incensed over this sick wire? You Salting Pasta like it's supposed. You're you have to do that in a blink. Why you want me to blow it up but it turns out folks? Yes you do have to solve the pasta. No matter what they say unless of course you have some sort of doctor's note that says absolutely stray away from salt so does not bad not bad just as all things in life try not to be in excess. Exactly like you again. Don't don't put Lucca don't put like a popsicle stick inside a stick of butter and then just walk around. Did they sell those at state. Fairs a fried stick of butter. I and I don't understand Dan how that works. I just don't they have. They have to put some sort of a binding ancient and it just to hold it together right and that would be the better. I would assume I know I have always wanted to go to a state fair where they sell those things try them and then detox immediately with like wheat grass for the following four days again. My my my personal philosophy. Is that if you're going to a state fair or like a any ethnicity the of your choice street festival you don't go there to say I would like a a a a carb free three vegetable. No no added anything like now if If someone is said here is like three different kinds ends of meat that we've put together breaded and like you've had me at three different kinds of meat. Bring it on because when I'm at home that's what I have like two slices cases of T.. T. an English muffin with some jam on it for breakfast when I'm having breakfast at a diner with friends that's when I say. Is there a breakfast on your menu. The sort of which if I finish it with an hour I win a free hat and my photo goes on the wall. Give me that or oh that's right and boarding a flight and our give me that but dial it back one notch a very quick story because I know people love it when Andy and Irish heavily. The Nevada lives very straight the first time I ever had. Tofu was at a Renaissance Festival in Highschool. Yes because I did not want a giant Turkey leg I it was like I'm just not. I don't know how to eat that. That is a lot of effort and I don't know that like I'm really like that into Hong Kong me and so there was this little booth and they were selling. I forgot what they were called but like they were these little Tofu. Nuggets covered in this very like kind of Swedish. SAW SWEET ISH not Swedish Swedish of sauce and had a little rice on the side. They were so good. I thought they were meat so I had them like three years in a row. Oh the three years in a row that I went to the rent fair and then I found out it was Tofu the entire time so thanks thanks to renaissance reenacted mid festival of Gilroy California. I had my first foray into Tofu in now now I enjoy. I enjoy the soy treat. Eight eight ninety indeed. So so let's let's let's swing things. We'll swing things in the transition of Pearl I want to do with Google. I tried I tried Google shopping for the first time. Okay I don't have it because I live in the boonies but please tell me how you how you felt about it. Oh it's not so this. Isn't the delivery thing this is Like Google Dot com slash shopping Where it's sort of sorry shopping dot Google Dot COM Wish your shopping search engine. Exactly it says. Let's go shopping. Andy Andy and puts all these nice tiles of supplies. And I didn't know I'll I'll say that I did go shopping. Florence exactly see it's tailored. It knows it was all about you. That's why it said Florence. Not Andy that's there are really on the ball there So what are your first three categories of sorry now algorithm Italy Algorithm because my first three categories are electronics home and garden and health and beauty. And the next three toys and games grocery and household supplies we have the same categories. Okay and I also have a baby and kids. Do you have a baby and kits you buy babies and kids. You can buy haven't scrolled down yet so I'm still scrolling. I don't see the baby's kids department. Oh so you were Oh wow I've been profiled a how so anyway talking about your experience so I don't know I have to say that I it was purely for wasn't so that oh I want to try this out. This wonderful shot new search empowered shopping experience. It was that I I I got a deal. I came across a deal on a at best. Buy Dot Com on a Western digital eight terabytes. USB three external hard drive these these are kind of like what. What what? I used to do the way I I buy. These hard drives the way that I used to buy like floppies. Because there's they go on the list price for something like two hundred bucks but if you if you keep an eye on prices they routinely routinely go down to like one hundred fifty a hundred and forty one hundred thirty and so it's it's the way that use data and the way that I do backup and storage. It's definitely definitely worthwhile for me to buy it when they're really really cheap and just keep it in the box and keep it in storage awaiting the time are dammit. I got back up this entire server. Borough await I do have that entire external hard drive. That is brand new has no date on it. Great we use that and so there's cheapest price that ever seen for a hundred twenty bucks or definitely buying it and then I remembered that from the distant distant past of my memory that Google Google is still in the. Hey let's try to do get people to use the service by any means necessary and so they will give you twenty percent off any purchase a a any purchase up to A value of twenty dollars for the discount so twenty percent off anything above one hundred dollars is twenty dollars off but for this hard drive that would basically equate bring the price down to a hundred bucks so and so I used it and I'll it tricked me into using it. As long as I'm here I'm going to click around and I actually Kinda liked. It really is like it's like they. They've made a hybrid between a search engine and a store where it really does feel like you're shopping for hard drives. And let's narrow down to Western digital hard rise than you have that nice little like column to the left that could narrow down well hot. What's what size what maker What kind of what? Kind of storage kind of interface. And by the time you drill down to what you want. It feels as though you're ordering from one catalog. Only for some reason. The West the exact same western digital hard drive. You're looking at from being h photo. Cost one hundred fifty dollars and the hard drive that you're looking at from From Best Buy's costing one hundred twenty dollars so I'm I'm not saying that I'm going to become a regular user of this I might Only only after having this conversation I really focus on like the grocery section of it and now I'm like you know what maybe let's take a look at because I I've got I've pulled the hell of it. We're talking earlier before the show I pull the hell out of my quadriceps and and so like a lot soul food shopping is takes until until I complete like physical therapy and stuff like. It's really sore really hard to walk around. So Oh my thinking is more like I would much rather buy like a huge bag pecans and have it delivered to me and then just like have that for like breakfast lunch and dinner for the Costco. I think you can do costco through Google shopping. They have they have the natives. Costco Grocery Rosary. So I I don't know why it's it's. It's it's in baking and cooking ingredients. They've shown me. And so- Kirkland signature walnuts. Kirk Kirkland Senator Pecan. How has sugar in the raw sugar in the raw sugar in the raw La Dolce Vita classic Italian Broccoli Broccoli horrible? You're putting it in a jar. So so I'm just saying that Ou Rice krispies treats ninety nine eleven dollars and nineteen cents for whole box free. Read delivery over thirty five dollars would get it by Tuesday and it's all just add to cart so it's like yeah I could I could and do this and so it's and it's nice. It doesn't feel like it's not like it doesn't feel like ads also also the number times previously. When I've been like shopping for something specific you know like you see you type something into the basic search engine and the first four pages pages are number number one site for USB? Three cables extended super long eight eight meters long L. Y.. Looking this link goes to super super long. USB three cables read eight meters long DOT COM. Gee I wonder if that's a specialty specialty site or if that's just somebody trying to game the search results I would like. It's it's like you're GONNA be. You're you're going to be tracked and you're going to be ripped off and you're going to be exploited no matter how you try to spend money. The starting with a visit to a webpage. I've much rather like have all of my being ripped off of being done by the same company company I E Google and I trust that. They're not really trying to rip me off so much as make sure that they stay in business says a search engine Over the next five or ten years so I might have to keep I might have to. I might have to remember this particularly when The as Black Friday deals we're coming up. I was GONNA say but for everybody. It's a at least through the month of November. It is a dead simple way to save twenty dollars dollars off of any hundred dollar purchase. No matter just like just like what I went through which is that. I've got something that I I would very much like to spend. This is a really good deal as it is. It's goes from a good deal to a great deal. If I simply allow this Nice Company to just knock off twenty dollars for no apparent reason and so. I'm I'm going to do that and like and as I said before it's not as though it's it's best buys one hundred twenty dollar deal and it just the going through Google shopping and paying using Google for checkout Handled everything Apparently gives you some sort of extra guarantee. I haven't tried that that yet. But yes on my radar. Now I'll say for sure so whatever they were trying to do to trick me into saving money and using the service it worked. Well I just like looking up nest asked the little nest censor my ness secure Same price everywhere. But I like that. You can narrow down by location. If you WANNA go pick it up in person and so I think Andy I'm Gonna I would try and use this for home decor Recei what I can find because I'm a I'm into the I'm into the cheap home decor okay I scour Ross and marshalls TJ. Max I don't you know I want to pay full price for these things so I think now this there's GonNa be our experiment for holiday shopping. ooh That me that everything we buy like for gifts for souls becomes tax deductible because research now IT I. I don't have the guts do that. But why don't you go ahead and tell us how she don't and just to that makes just to make sure that we're fair balance. Make sure you don't confer with your accountant before you do. This doesn't go right ahead. All right. Yeah we're not to talk to him middle next year. You send Christmas cards to your at your accountants. Don't I I don't I send a Christmas email. Okay I know that so like whatever but you know it. It's because my husband designs like A. He designs a graphic back And then we send it out on Christmas Day so like two people that were thinking of Sel- before before we go to commercial after I also have to ask so I am We we both share. I don't mean this offensive way I I'm I'm I'm part of this. This the this cultural demographic people who who are descendants of emigrants from that vague zone. I'm known as Eastern Europe slash in my case very very western Russia. At some point my family came through a certain country in eastern Europe on their way to America whether to give themselves better immigration papers or because they were generally wanted to live there for a while. the so as a result a my One side of the family does celebrate like Orthodox Christmas Which I which do? Who Does your family do that as well now we just read westernized work just to reach or whatever I mean? 'cause Romania celebrates the regular Christmas In addition to the Orthodox Christmas yeah globalism. Well See. You're missing out because I have used that I've exploited that so many times for like the Times where like I can't tell you how many times I've I usually like custom make Christmas cards with a photo that I've taken earlier earlier and often I will often get on the ball early enough to like have them by the last week in November first week in December birther but then something get distracted by shiny object. And I don't send them out in time. So suddenly they become hey happy merry Orthodox Orthodox Christmas which is like two weeks later and I'm still not only not only do I still get credit for setting them up in time but also if you are if you got like a very very nice card from someone you're really really good friends with but you've never exchanged cards with before you can still. Hey guess what shook I I also I just decided to send you a card independently of not knowing if I was going to get a card from you. So that's just another. Yeah yeah that's a good one also also so You get to have a second Christmas dinner and a second Easter dinner both So you you get. You get to get two extra hams per year to Hams Hamm's portrayal that is the nice thing about. Having celebrating both American eastern Orthodox Easter. Lots of candy and lamb. Sorry to all the vegans vegetarians out there. Listen to us. We definitely talked a lot about me on this podcast. Thus far I bet I I would love to have loved to know like what sort of like feast centerpiece traditions. There exists in vegetarian households. I don't I working rookie. It's bad one but see now. Is it going to be. Hey let's mold something in the shape of the. Let's let's create a Turkey about an analog for Turkey or is it let's let's just dispose of that entirely. We can just make this like mom and dad make this incredibly good like Goulash with Tofu. Tofu and Ben but or this. There's this like a like a molay sauce that takes like three weeks to make properly. But Hey it's Christmas Smith we're GONNA make the molay sauce for this thing and by virtue of the fact that you grew up anticipating that Oud. It's Thanksgiving we're going to have and you're and you're calling your sisters and brothers Sang. Do you have moms molay sauce recipe. Her Thanksgiving Malays sauce recipe. Yeah let us know out out there by the way if you have questions quick give me give you Bush experiment update. We are still holding fast at number two and number four as Google podcast search results for the For podcasts about the Gabby Bush so again but it seems like we are. We're becoming a beloved Gimme Gimme. Bush search searched tradition Where it's no longer important for us to be number one each and every week it's that we are consistent weekly performers and? I think that's a good accomplishment. We should be very proud we are. We are very proud And with that now we will proudly segue into I add indeed. This episode of material is brought not by experts. 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Or excuse me are coming across as creepy because of it or if it's just that well no L. at project that they already kind of discussed earlier got the got the focus of a Wall Street Journal article and now it happened like a the article. Michael hit on a Monday and everybody who wanted to write about something. I I don't know where I stand on this The the the basic bullet line sort of thing. Thing is that Google as has entered a partnership with a medical Group called ascension which is the probably that's been described as the largest nonprofit healthcare organization in the United States as well as the largest Catholic healthcare a AH healthcare association in the United States They actually describe themselves. As a nonprofit that or operates in twenty six hundred locations in twenty states plus district of Columbia they describe themselves as quote a faith based healthcare organization dedicated to transformation through innovation across the continuum continuum. I'm sorry I really do have to use the a faith based healthcare organization dedicated to transformation through innovation across. It's the continuum of care with special attention to persons living in poverty and those most vulnerable They also we should. I also want to point out that again. According into their own literature in the fiscal year twenty nine nineteen or twenty eighteen. They say they provided two billion dollars. There's in healthcare of persons living in poverty and other community benefit programs. But that's not what we're focusing on Focusing on a project that Internally Google Google essential recalling project nightingale by which tens of millions quite close to twenty million patients in the essential healthcare system system Were had their health data. Let's just say shared with Google or entered under or the gaze of Google. And if you're trying to get lots of clicks or to or from another point of view you if you are Have a very very healthy wariness of large corporations having access to personal data and when we're talking about health care the health l. care data under Project Nightingale. We are talking about the whole Enchilada. We're not talking about an itemized research stuff talk about every piece of your healthcare data Including like your physician notes surgeries tire blood type of your you know your name address. Everything is as part of the state There it's it's it sounds bad but fears that they google in ascension. We're both Clarifying exactly what. The collaboration was about To both of them they must have collaborated on this. We've made it a basically put it out to three different areas number one. Just putting the the their data infrastructure onto Google cloud services is so whatever service they're using before to simply store all their digital data. Now it's being stored on Google cloud services so the partnership will modernize it is essential infrastructure enabling to migrate their on premise data warehouse analytics environments to their own private insecure. Google cloud environment key elements of this work will focus on networking system. Connectivity Data Integration Privacy and security and compliance so. That doesn't seem like that's so when we're talking about whether sharing all their information Asian with Google well again they're using Google cloud services also The second bullet point would be a using Google G. Suite productivity you too also instead of using whatever mishmash of data they were using a of tools using before now they're going to be moving onto a G. Suite so oh which is a not only a well understood platform but also a collaborative and open platform. So that if you need to have discussions in lots of different departments apartments and lots of different people interdisciplinary care and operations teams Across various sites seems like a very nice thing ascension itself a describe both these things as modernization enhancing security reliability And basically object permanence permanence permanence Basically an also compliance with Nash with the Federal Requirements for the storage and security of healthcare data. Which Google is in a very good position to help out a organization with that sort of stuff? The last bullet point was probably the most interesting. If you drop the controversy part out of this The extending tools to doctors and nurses to improve approve care. Google says we aim to provide tools that essentially could use to support Envir- improvements and clinical quality and patient safety The ascension site A press release on this says there want to explore artificial intelligence slash machine learning applications. That will have the potential to support improvements in clinical quality and effectiveness patient safety and advocacy on behalf of vulnerable populations as well as increased consumer and provider satisfaction which is a a big deal It goes as simple as making sure that if you are if you again live. I'm going to be seeing doctor about this About this really really sore quadriceps. And let's say that the doctor that I see for the first time prescribed something to to help with pain management it. This doctor May or may not know that three or four years ago. Let's say I was put on this other medication for high blood pressure ashore. Whatever I'm not on any communication but you never know this The one of the. It's a very very important thing to make sure that. Across many many years across many many different providers many many different healthcare systems there is a consistent knowledge of here. Is the treatment that the range of treatments that this patient has had at here. Are The the drugs that they this. This patient might be on It's very I had some had some experience with us when I was my mom's caregiver Where at this is probably the first time that To make to make sure that I understood what her prescription regimen germen was. I I finally like I was probably the first person to put it all in a chart and get everything done and because I'm just that way it was like okay. What is this pill do what does this pill do what does that do and finding out that Oh? She was on two medications that she no longer needed. There was one that had a warning. Not It wasn't. It's not bad interaction but it was a warning that you have to make sure you keep an eye out for this this and this and wouldn't it be nice. If at the time when my mom was prescribed a certain thing thing there was some sort of a flag this oh by the way. She doesn't need this because she's whatever whatever you were striving this is already being covered by this thing. She's been on for the past two years ears As well as the really cool science fiction stuff which is when someone gets an MRI. Wouldn't it be great if we had an artificial intelligence system awesome that sees every. Mri of twenty one million patients across twenty six hundred healthcare locations in the country. That gets really really good at not providing a diagnosis but at least providing better tools for understanding what is normal. What is abnormal normal but not a health problem and what is this is something that we've only seen before in patients that were later diagnosed a year and a half later with something something that involved a life altering nisus need for treatment so these are all things that we're kind of in favor of but the thing is it has has to? Google certainly has an obligation to make sure that if the Wall Street Journal mentions all this people. Don't get really really the Afraid and it sounds like Mitch. I'm I'm not making people S- seems silly for being afraid of this again. I think it's any company is big and powerful as Google. You have to be skeptical and you have to. They have a responsibility to be the people to explain Basically there is a the The big question is is this hippo compliant which is the national healthcare law that puts really tight restrictions on how your medical data can be stored in shared word Google in a blog. Post says it. All of Google's worked with ascension adheres to industry-wide regulations including hip regarding patient data and come with strict guidance on data data privacy security and usage ends with a mentioning that This is standard pro. They're doing everything that is standard. Practice in the healthcare as patient is frequently managed electronic systems that nurses and doctors widely used to deliver patient care. So they're not they're not inventing electronic record record storage than they're sticking to all the regulations that they already have exactly And they end with to be clear under the under under this arrangement. Essential data cannot be used for any other purpose than for providing these services were offering to essentially under the agreement and patient data cannot not and will not be combined with any Google consumer data so just a button and before we start talking about it. I know this is a big information dump. But there's a lot to think about here The off and after the Wall Street Journal article hit in On Monday on Tuesday the Office for civil rights the Department of Health and Human Services have opened investigations. There will they are going to seek to learn more information about this mass collection of individuals medical records records to ensure that hip a- protections were fully implemented. So it's not doesn't seem like a criminal thing they just want to have insurer assurances that okay you're saying saying that you're complying with hip but let's just make sure that you really really are the week Google goals in such a weird position. Where even when they're doing nice things or even neutral things? They are still in a position where they have to make sure people understand exactly what they're doing at all times this. This has been a quite a topic of conversation this week. both among like my discord group. you know on twitter through various podcasts. That even our listeners have listened to this week. I think part of the the the appeal of this. This particular news is the fact that there's that narrative out there of just what is big tech doing with your data and I think that was part of the reason that some of the headlines were various dislike bagfuls using all of his health data. What's it doing with it? Oh my gosh urges fitbit remember like look remember when it purchased fitbit. And you're all freaking out. Well this is the reason you have to freak out. This is not. It's not an uncommon thing for Tech Company to Hook up with a healthcare company company. Especially considering that both those companies are in the profit making business especially here in the United States America and one of the ways to kind of offer an edge to patients slash customers is by offering like these nexgen kind of health care facets and they can look like anything I mean. They can look like digitize records that whatever can be pulled up at the drop of a hat they look like when you have the ability not to email your doctor securely I mean think about how much tech that go encryption goes through that just so you can like email your doctor doctor and have that. Be Hip compliant I think the biggest problem with this in terms of optics fix for Google is a fact that they are. They are the product at the end of the Rainbow for. Google is is the assistant. That's kind of the terminology that I it's kind of an all encompassing terminology that us because when you look at every Google Product Act device talking devices and service at the end of it. It's usually the assistant which is connected to sort of algorithms right Listen the consumer side. It's definitely in the assistant when it comes to its search properties. It's kind of related in that sense and I think thing that's why a lot of folks are really dubious about this. Because they're like well. What the heck now like all my health data is going to be used? Basically I'm going to be turned into a number by my healthcare company which Surrey say but we already are all numbers They don't really care about us. Okay sorry I I am not a number I do I. I've heard many times of like different consulting companies working with breath healthcare agencies kind of like improve their infrastructure on the back end Maybe we have to to start thinking more procedurally about this. Maybe be needs to be edited to deal with Big Tech. I definitely agree with Andy like there is a positive reason for these things to be used. I I will say it's also interesting. I was using this like chat by APP for Awhile Cash. I forgot the name somewhere in my email meal. But it's a it's an android APP is also also an IOS APP. And the other day I received a term of service update. Because the whole point of the I is that you provided right it with the information of your symptoms and then it uses that to kind of like come up and the information you've given it yourself and it uses that to come up with a diagnosis or or what you might WanNa bring to the doctor to kind of like help. The doctor diagnose you Kinda thing which I found to be very helpful because when you go to the doctor it helps not to just show up and be like something's wrong with me and then 'cause obviously they're gonna ask you a bunch of questions before they come the come to it the While saying that the other thing that is getting my mind going is the problem with this. Is that this could be used to. You need to delve into this. Because I. I know it's like really tricky buddy territory but I just I'm GONNA go ahead and say it. I think this could be used to make healthcare a little faster get more patients in and out which maybe necessarily isn't a bad thing right because we want we want people to be effectively cared for and taking care of. This is just such a huge beginning to this and I don't think this is the last conversation we're gonNA have about it. This is in. This is a big deal. It's not just I mean. I'm from my journalist perspective. The headlines had a lot to do with with a lot of with the news that with the news of what Google has been doing with data but I think that definitely is valid in a valid like criticism of that but I also also think that this is just when we talk about healthcare in the future of healthcare. Look at how much money apple has invested in to its health divisions visions Think about how much like Microsoft Azure in the back end like how they work with healthcare companies to Kinda like provide those cloud services like all that data data has to be aggregated. Somehow like that is data on you and it needs to be pulled up quickly. We're not we're not dealing and clipboards and pieces of paper anymore. You're like we have your lifetime of records like I'm. I'm seeing a doctor now more often. They have may records from back when I was in college going to the doctor and like Edward. Remember half the stuff I went to the doctor for but they do It's important information because you can't hold onto it on your own as a human human and so this is this is a very hot and cold. It's very hot and cold topic. It's it's difficult because data is such important tool for healthcare. We're not just talking about I've pulled I pulled a quadriceps muscle and now it really hurts and science relies on data right right but but I'm talking about how just how valuable to me and my health the data that my phone and if I'm wearing a a an apple watch or some sort of a wearable are how valuable it is just to have it. F- collect information like well. Gee Andy is normally normally really really active and normally walks or rides a bike For a half hour to an hour a day but for the past two weeks based on the movement based on movement and also based on Geo Location. He has rarely gone more than a up. More than like a fifty yards from his house. ways not like an uber or in a lift. That's an interesting piece of data or when it's when it has the ability to continually take pulse information. said Gee. His pulse was elevated at many normally. This is resting pulse pulse rate for the past for the past month. We've seen spikes as high as for no real reason or even as simple as a here is is how straight he's walking years. Many times he fell down When we add things like of sleep tracking and things that are voluntary Tori like a off and on I do have a spreadsheet that simply lets me I tried to? I tried to get in the habit of Adding adding little notes about my daily status Without getting too detailed even for myself. Because if I if I made it too complicated it would the job to do but just simply I started off with one line for every day just simply said do you feel. Did you feel good today. Did you not feel good today. And and then now they're only they're still only three or four things on it but now did you feel an third just binary yes or no and then second thing is did you sleep. Well did you not sleep well. L. Number three. Do you feel as though you you. Your Diet was responsible this day or do you feel like it was irresponsible and these are things that that after a week or two. They're not you don't have any useful data but over the course of months and then years when you and then you have these tools especially google docs and Google sheets for less spit out some graphs and see what this looks like. And see if there's a correlation between like why man just did not get. I don't feel like a got much done. Okay well well. Let's take a look at what you've been doing for the past month and a half and but and I would love in an ideal world to have all that data between the the medical data the tracking data my devices and notes that I'm taking automatically feeding into a knowledge base. That could not tell really. Oh my God andy is GonNa end is going to have an embolism. And then in four months. Eight days two days and three hours just to the the ability to yeah exactly but just the ability to say okay. Andy's and he's a DECI- has made a medical appointment because seed east feeling a little bit dizzy busy but he can't really explain it or even better like his annual or semi annual. Physical here is some data to fall back on. Or ideally really. Here's even something that you can predict if you know that if this system knows my my family medical background to know that also has I've gotten let's say have have gotten for genetic testing to know that your family history is that there are a lot of people who die of this by this age which means that. Perhaps we should be a little bit more sensitive to the need test for this. And we're seeing a lot of markers in his decline of activity and his sleeping patterns that indicate. There might be something going on. Let's schedule a test. That would be irresponsible for us to schedule for anybody who is not in this risk group or doesn't have this data profile I would i. I would actually love all of this the the reason why I'm Gonna I'm I realized. I'm heading off on a rampant. Believe me I'm taking I'm taking the I'm steering the horseback around But the reason why like a again this quadriceps of mine has been the like hurting for like two weeks and we have a muscle thing. It's always like okay. I'll get got some rest and gives some aspirin to see if the just simply goes away on. Its own if I had if in an ideal sort of medical environment environment I would have made the appointment Like a week ago when it became clear that okay really after like three or four days days of deliberately. Just like not going for my walks and not trying to Not Trying to stress out the TR- stress out my my leg. This should it'd be at least starting to feel better and it's not feeling better the idea that I'm GonNa wait another week just to just to make sure that I'm not about to spend X.. Dollars it be told okay. We'll continue to rest it and continue to take the advil come back in a month of the the only reason why you don't do that is is because the expense expense and also and the reason why we don't have that system that I just described as that I don't want to give all kinds of data to a potential employer or potential potential insurer particularly potential. Insurer who wants they want to see. This person has never been never called in sick a day in his life all of the the only time that any of his ancestors died before the age of one hundred eight were when they're hit by a bus and we we do also we also have the records that it wasn't because as they they they had a vision problems because they're all drunk drivers who hit these people so there's no chance we will ever do a payout and but saying that Ooh Ooh we found out that in eighteen ninety one You had a great great great uncle who was a a gold miner and he had a heart attack carrying one hundred. Twenty pounds of stuff up a hill so we are free. We can't offer coverage to you. Yeah so so we we another. It's another example of weaken half paradise on earth. So but we keep screwing it up by finding ways of turning turning a solution to to a pressing problem into financial opportunity or financial advantage for one person but it but just to close it off. Does it does once again. The fact that the proof that Google does have an image problem that they're just GonNa have to deal with the fact that they had to as part of the response to this. They had to say. Okay okay. Here's why we called it code named Project Nightingale. It's not because it was a secret. Evil Plan scale. Exactly exactly. It's it's it's it's because these are experimental things that we're we're we don't have like an actual product yet. We're using this to develop a product which we would but then like call like Google health record services and just like apple and everybody else has code names for things to discuss it internally. We were not trying different. We they they they said we even like in our last our last shareholder report. We were mentioning that we have these. We have this new relationship with US healthcare provider. That didn't talk all all about this. Exactly what this project was. But it's not as though they were doing anything to hide this. 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I did take a note here just to amuse myself. Apples Phillip Schiller basically says the kids who use chrome books in school will turn out to be shiftless dollars and we don't want our kids to become shiftless Dullard. Dewey so maybe everybody should be buying ipads instead and which isn't too different different from how the news reports up VIP characterizing his comments? But let's be again. Let's be fair here. His comments came came in an interview with C. Net surrounding the new sixteen inch. macbook pro The interviewer asked him directly about what question. A question regarding guarding. Why chromebooks far outselling the IPAD An education For background of about sixty percent of all all new computer purchases in education the last in two thousand eighteen I think we're chromebooks versus twenty percent. Where IPADS so definitely absolutely? They're feeling some some pressure And so his response to the I'll I'll repeat the response in full as as in the including the CNN article Phil said kids who are really into learning and want to learn will have better success. It's not hard to understand why kids aren't art. Engaged in a classroom without applying technology in a way that inspires them. You need to have these cutting edge. Learning tools to help kids really achieve their best results yet. chromebooks don't do that. chromebooks have gotten to the classroom because frankly they're cheap testing tools for require testing. If all you want to do is test test kids well. Maybe a cheap notebook will do that. But they're not going to succeed and that was preceded by him talking about The wonderful The classroom curriculum and multimedia development of course where tools that apple has created and promoted. And how good the IPAD is that sort of stuff And then after this became sort of thing via twitter he elaborated. 'cause obviously I again I want to be really really fair to fill. It's Arinda interview. You're sometimes you. It's you have to really really preprocessing everything you say to make sure that you're not saying something. Whoa you're what you're saying is Something that you're intentioned and you're meeting is absolutely clear even if you can't the people can't hear the voice inside your head because sometimes you're saying something and you know you know for an absolute fact that you absolutely what you the all the parameters owners of how you feel about an issue but sometimes the way that you express it you assume that people just have assumed the same things that you know so he clarified things a little bit kazooing every via twitter. Every child has the ability to succeed helping them to do that. Has always been our mission in the full conversation with seen at we discussed giving kids and teachers the content curriculum tools they need to learn explore and grow not just to take a test so underscoring that what he's talking about is that effective education education vol involves having course where digital course where that gets kids engaged gets kids to want to explore on their own and to really want to play with an idea and play with education as opposed to simply reading course where That's so now that now that I think we've done our duty duty to to fill This is what he's saying was is basically the Party line for Apple on the differences. Or why I there. Why they've been losing ground to chromebooks They've been there's a lot of core curriculum and there's a lot of core testing that Is Really hard to to do with a device doesn't have a keyboard and attract pad and so and we're talking about requirements where a school system is not allowed to buy certain hardware unless it has certain hardware features and Apple's doing amazingly good things and getting the prices of their ipads down you. You can buy a an etiquette and education three hundred dollar IPAD. That is so good that even I'm sort of wondering gee I wonder why I personally would via an ipad pro given that the the the the three hundred twenty nine dollar to normal people like me ipad does so much of what I want on IPAD. Four it's really fast has Has Pencil support. All this really really cool stuff So the problem though is that it really does oversimplify everything. They're not buying these because they need a keyboard standardized testing. It's because number one. You can buy these they. You can buy so many different varieties of chromebook that a school system can buy exactly what it needs whether something with a touchscreen. Some of that doesn't have a touch. Screen is not only that but the fact that you don't have to hire on Iowa's developers in order to create custom custom course where basically you can tap into the great resources of the of the workforce people who understand how to develop APPs for the web and thirdly Google I think spent a lot more time talking to educators at all levels and asking them what do you want what what do you need. Whereas Apple's corporate culture is to formulate in idealized picture of what a system should look like and then convincing people? This is why this is better than what you're using right now. And oftentimes that works out very very well like when we were when they were trying to convince people. This is why you want a computer. With a graphical user interface and a mouse. I know you've never heard of it. Never used it before but this is better and this is why you want you want a phone. That doesn't have a physical keyboard on it. This multi touch screen is going to be way way better but when you're talking about people in education who are really who have specific needs that are non-negotiable both because they know what they they want to achieve and what they need to achieve they are frontline workers and also because they are dealing with school systems and state requirements and federal requirements. That are also non-negotiable negotiable. They can listen they can say wow it really this really is really cool. The way that You're learning using swift playgrounds teach programming however however that's not gonna work for us Google not only provided them with the hardware platform but also a customized version of the G. Suite and also also a google classroom sweet All for free all Taylor to what people actually need so it's a little it's way over simplification to say that. Oh will well unfortunately Herod Apple. Our hands are tied. People are buying these cheaper. These cheap now. Flimsy notebooks just to get by testing. No it's kind of an ideal real solutions to the problems of education and also three hundred dollars. A student is a lot of frigging money a year. Okay this is so first of all. I just want to preface prefaces saying there's a new water heater going on behind me and a while. I know Jim will be able to edit out the parts arrive. Not Talking. If they're screwing in the back. Just think of it as he just ambience. What in the back his screwing I well sounds screwing water heater into the wall saying okay? I didn't know whether that was my mind. Taking something innocent internal I know now I just now I just completely like yeah. The mood of this show title. Well I mean you can't apply it to this so listen listen folks. Schools are greatly underfunded in the United States of America. I think it's really so An opinion that I had about this Phil Schiller comment. Which I've been waiting? I was waiting for Andy to get you through all the logistics and the facts before I chimed in. I made did the comment. That I thought this comment from Phil Schiller was very closest which a lot of people were like? How is that possible that it's classes because we're talking talking about two giant corporations vying for like students interests which fair but for me I have always seen gene apple to be very exemplary of the kind of Thought that is pervasive in Silicon Valley. which which is that like? Well why are you gonNA use that cheap crap when you could just use are like really nice expensive stuff. That's the thing is a school in Palo Alto has three hundred dollars three hundred fifty dollars a student to spend. They have smaller classrooms. They probably have more private schools and a parents who can afford the private schools and afford to pay for those accessories for their kids and afford to pay for the tuition that pays for the staff to help maintain these things a public school or or a charter. School is pretty pretty locked down with how much money they get. Most of their funding comes from testing. Which is why testing is going to be the first thing on the list It really doesn't matter if it's a chromebook or whatever the heck is facilitating that the point is that they need to get test scores out of those kids so that they can can get money for whatever it is they need Also I was looking at the pricing like Google. It's twenty dollars a student a year. Excuse me twenty dollars dollars a month per student per year. Now if we're saying we're talking about nine months school you're that's let's rounding this all off one hundred eighty bucks a student a year ear for these things to be maintained. It's half the price per student than what you would get with an IPAD. Not to mention what Andy had said about all like the the extra bits that you get with the G. Suite and it's much easier to maintain that you don't need to hire a you know a UNITA hires I you know specialists in the same sense that maybe I guess you would. I don't know those logistics but regardless it is cheaper yes to have chrome books in schools rules that is to have apply pads. Apple computers It's not love this ambience. It's happening behind me It it is not fair to. It's not fair Phil Schiller what he said because the reason I say that it sounded really classes. Because he's coming from from an absolute stands of privilege the fact that he is in an area of the bay area that is extremely affluent. People do have money to spend on those things. Let's think about the kids. In Palo Alto and Cupertino started camps they are prepped in primed to go to Stanford. Okay what about the kids in Oakland The kids in the San Francisco public schools. The teachers are already by the way extremely underpaid in San Francisco School district and They're struggling to get to work because they have to live so far away. I'm using the bay area's an example but the fact is apple's base both apple and Google or based in the bay area. And you you can see a lot of these disparities here in our little ecosystem and I think that applies were like Nationwide because you will see uh those disparities and other states so I just think it's EXP. It was extremely tone-deaf thing to say. I understand that we're trying into push like what apple's doing education initiatives but let me tell you something else that apple you stu back in the nineties when I was growing up in when I was growing up back in the nineties eighties. Sorry to everyone but we had apple computers in the classroom. What happened to that initiative to get apple apple to play more nicely with education We didn't have one computer per kid. Of course that was a luxury only the really only the private schools had that because like the parents are paying for that at the public schools. We were lucky to have three computers that that could be used and we had to all take turns using it so like we would have projects that work on and they would give us like our teachers say all right. You have three weeks to do this. Projects like you need to schedule your time at the computer with this sign up sheet. That kind of thing like what happen to that initiative this is just not a fair thing to say and if apple really wants to make a ploy or excuse me a play a ploy whatever for for education. If they really want to be involved in schools they have to. They have to drastically. Cut Down how much it costs to put their tech and schools. Like this is just you. Can't you can't do that. I understand you're trying to sell hardware. That's where they make their money. But there's a reason Google's taken off on this it is so much easier plus not to mention like the things that you're learning on a chromebook are a lot more universal universal. You're learning web browsing. You're learning how to not just web browsing. You're learning about the way the Internet is indexed. You're learning how to use the Internet to get the information that you need. I am perplexed. At how many people still do not understand how to Google things quote unquote. I know that sounds like such a I know. No that. Sounds like such a wool. What there's a lot of people who do not feel holy empowered by the ability to do their own search online like they don't have that full trust and the thing is how can you have full trust in what you're doing online if you are not aware of what you're getting into it's like it's like walking now now streets you know like you're gonNa feel a little like I don't know where I am? I don't know if I'm going North or South kind of thing like I don't. I don't know who the people are on this block. Kind kind of thing. Like I have no frame of reference you will not have a frame of reference for the Internet if you're not actively using it to hugh research for your papers or to like communicate with your teachers and so yeah. The chromebook is offering all of these things. It's super easy to maintain rain and the hardware is so cheap. If a student breaks it who cares. Don't like to say to say nothing. The fact that even the cheap hardware his pretty damn damn good and Jewish. Stop calling it cheap by the way. It's just low cost you know because it's not we're not putting like you. You know what I mean. It's we're not putting like hundred dollar ACIS tablets in there right. We'll get this. This is not the stuff that you buy at the local drugstore. Bogota we're getting at is that it's such a valuable market that all of these companies want to be as responsive to the needs of this specific ethic market as possible. And that's why you can spend even if you're not an education you can even buy one of these like education influenced a chromebooks for two hundred three hundred dollars that has you. Can you can spill an entire cup of coffee into the keyboard without knowing for a fact. You've just destroyed your retire laptop and you can drop it again without knowing that you've just destroyed a laptop and this these machines that they don't have the two millimeter meter vessels around the screen and they didn't try to shave more thick thinness out of there. The these are the laptops where it half they have to be durable. They have to be practical tactical they have to be. They have to have An ACE GMI port and they have to have a USB port. All of these things We I've spoken. Can I think I've I think on this. Show spoken about the forty dollar Educational thinkpad eleven e that I got the MIT flee for forty bucks. And and most of the things that I love about. It are simply the fact that this was built partly for education where they know that they don't they're not going to sell will these things on the basis that look how thin it is. Look how lightweight it is. Look how old archie. Don't doesn't the fact that there is a battle of the tops. The a the half inch short three quarter inch bell around the screen make you wanNA vomit like no. It really doesn't. It's the the fact that it has a comfortable keyboard that I can plug anything into it without a doubt or an adapter and the thing is built like a rock iron production. I'm sorry we live. We live in an age age of production. Like how much production can you get out. And that's what that's what. Children are being tired. Because that's like that's how society is run. So I I get what apple is trying to maintain I get what Schiller is trying to do in terms of like the overall marketing stick but I just felt like it was really it was really tone-deaf because we're talking about children and we're talking in an environment where education is severely underfunded in so many parts of the United States weights and for Apple to talk this way. It's it just seems very just like okay. Well clearly the schools were using this or not like what. They're just not good enough. I guess those kids are not going to Stanford like what come on and it's just not cool. It's not cool at all in doesn't make me want to be an apple customer. It makes me think. Wow apples got their noses up. That's how I look at it as a consumer. I agree with that. No no no no. It's it's it's exactly right and it's exactly the reason it another a finger have to put the shot I've ever put a shot clock on a certain line of thought because otherwise it's I think it is endemic of a lot of the classiest culture that we have in this country where when you have large groups of people that are faulting Certain school systems by saying you see they don't the teachers don't WanNa teach and you have kids who aren't motivated. Your they're Ju- they just ran as well just like you know they drop out of school and go right into prison because they don't have food at home we're we're they're not saying okay. Well let's let's even just focus on school. How much money does the school system get per student versus their students? Food Cake Nick. And it's time and and you want and there's a lot of classism and racism based in a a lot of this Where where it's people want to stop? People want to think that the reason why a certain group succeeds his people and the poor people You Know Peo- all over the country no matter what what group you want associated with them. There's just they believe there's a class of people that are just not part of our American society. They're the people they're the bad people. They're the wrong people then. It's almost wrong to try to To try to ask questions about what is it about our society that is Denying these children advantages inches. That are just table stakes elsewhere in the world. None or no. It's because these it's because these These children of the children of emigrants these grandchildren of immigrants. Even even the white immigrant children. You know there's just something that's missing there in their DNA like no. There's something missing in their stomachs and there's something missing in sometimes in their households and they're certainly things that are missing in the school systems where they have to go every single day. So I'm not putting this on Phil Schiller again. I don't want I. I hope this. I hope this doesn't. This isn't a gagging up on Phil Schiller. This is this is is again when you are if if he were sitting down on an interview about the role of Technology and education is mine would have been flipped to a mode to talk about it more. Broadly his mind. I think I'm not obviously can't speak for her. But what it sounds like reading the entire interview and again the edited interview view is that it seems as though he was asked a question about why are pads failing in school and he gave a Very calm but by definition defensive argument about here's why ours are are really really great. The computers that are beating our pants off. Love are not great. Computers are not the best solutions for kids And but nonetheless it really does illustrate that people die. There are way too many people who look at the crisis in education and it is a crisis and education. And don't think about. How can we best best help kids they think about? How can we best underscore our own preconceptions? About why certain kids why arcades are succeeding and why their kids are failing. Yeah and that's not how you solve problems you have to. He should just left out that last part but they're not going to succeed didn't honestly everything would have been fine like 'cause it it is not to put. Why put a pin on on my end? It is not up to tech companies to solve the crisis the social crises that we are dealing with the society. Like I am not saying that and I understand that a lot of people are like well well it is not it is not up to them and it's true it's not but I would just if you are a PR person behind these people to guide them to speak more. Broadly about things and a little less Mitch. Because what happens is stuff like this is said and then it makes it makes things look and because it does upset people it upsets me and I'm upset isn't a as a consumer person who chooses Google over apple products You know we just. We need to approach these things. Maybe a little I think Phil maybe needs to have a talk with the media professional about a how to go forward talking about apple in education and also get prepared for the question of. Why don't you drop? The prices of your apple products extend schools. Let's let's shift. They're not talk about kids in why they're not succeeding because it's obviously a much bigger much bigger bigger reason for that. That's my pen. Yes well we have one more commercial than we'll we'll talk we'll talk about Goule trying to collect data on your ability to become one of the greatest tenors in rock history But that's after our final ad of the show. 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And no we're not talking about the Motorola Razor folding folding phone. We'll talk about that next week after we try to make sense and out of lots of things that neither of us were at the launch event so we have to sit and talk to people and and through my nostalgia that whole era. Because it's exactly so really embedded in me. We have to have a whole bunch of like montages narrated by Daniel Stern. Wonder you're Only go into this but just the breaking news this morning Ask for recording Goule released The Freddie meter that an order official intelligence experiment which rates how. Well you saying Freddie Mercury family uh I used to be so good it just like busting that song out with friends back in my early twenties we would just we would just drink and sing. Irap city in the grand scheme of things isn't a bad way to pass the time you know that. That's that's admirable and there's as as listeners. I have obviously realised I I was blessed with a rich lush baritone. A however that means that any that. It's just not it possible for me to do when I want to do. which is just bell database vocal? Right it's like a on a positive thing thing I get to sing like all the Sinatra songs. I get to sing like all the Tony Bennett songs. All the greatest you and you add the depths to music. Okay not us not to say not to. Not to crap on tenors. It's but you know it really helps. I said that right right. Sorry Okay uh-huh and also as I will say as an opera fan like all the really dope all the real dopes in opera are tenors. These are the people who like. Oh I just followed. I've been thunderstruck by falling in love with the princess. WHO A? We'll have everybody who who proposes marriage to her beheaded if they don't have kids three riddles number. Two has a whole Aria about how I just don't want to get married because an ancestor remind you know the had wasn't a bad bad relationship and she died look. I don't the reason why I have this. I will be head you if you try to ask me to marry you. Thing is not because I want people to come and come and asked me to marry them so I can be head them. I'm I'm trying to get these dopes to stop asking but no dopey tenor has did whereas the baritone roles we are zero Stroz we we are the we are the the uncle and La Traviata. WHO has to sing about how you know my literally? My dopey Tanner Banner Sun shacking up with this woman. Bringing disgrace to the family and preventing are my sister my daughter from marrying it marrying this person she really loves. I'm really going to have to have it both so so I'm saying that I I I would love to. I would love to be able to sing. Jackie Wilson Awesome songs. I can't do that. I would love to sing so I'm sorry. Let's get so basically meter a meter will allow Google to prove to me numerically. How much I can't sing like Freddie Mercury it's a calling it a quote web experience unquote for android IOS and desktop? Stop to start you. Select one of four iconic queen songs. We can between Bohemian rhapsody. Don't stop me now somebody to love or we are the champions champions somebody to love. That's if I had to choose one of four that I could sing properly somebody to love. That's just I'm afraid to start it by the way it's Freddie the F. R. E. D. D. E. meter WITH YOUTUBE DOT COM. So just in case wouldn't you go to it it's it's very interactive and it is. Let's see it is in it was made made with the Mercury Phoenix. Trust a charity founded by. Brian May Roger Taylor and their manager. Jim Beach in memory of Freddie Mercury who died in nineteen ninety one from AIDS related causes so just in case anybody nobody is there is a. There's a caused by this. which is lovely Also Google as well as well on board O Mas- not hidden their love of Freddie Mercury With the one the best Google doodles they have ever done which was like a a an eight bit of music video for. Don't stop me now and it was really. It was a video game that Oh my God. I don't know what cartridge system would run on this game. But if this were real game would buy that cartridge system even if it were that like phoney Baloney like rebooted Atari Console. That really seems like like vaporware at this point if they were promising this as as debut title I would be buying the console But anyway so he's saying one of these songs for about a minute they will give you the guided lyrics And then the Freddie meter will calculate a percentage with sub scores in three categories. Your pitch your melody. And you're Tom Laura. So how well. Well you hit the notes how well you hit the notes in relation to each other. And how much your vocal style matches Freddie's so rock band but for Queen Ryan but the but this has has got to be an expert level because no no pressure it's like we we've got one of the greatest tenors ever in music Zacchaeus diary not even just rock but one of the greatest people there have been Not Joking their academic papers written about the shape of Freddie Mercury's head his skull but how he was able to produce that those sounds that volume in that control. Hi this still use those songs and American idol. You know the voice is really like test the abilities basically to make you look like an idiot. I'm sorry the reality show. They say oh by the way your competitor will be singing a song. That's making amy realized with Brian Carey. That is the ultimate test. Best fantasy how we. How many unnecessary notes can you add to a song? Just just to show that you can. They weren't all in necessary. Okay most the ones that are directly related to the melody were necessary. Hey she can hit them. I can't hit them. I can't do that without running out of breath you know. There's a reason that Mariah Carey sleeps. In a very humidifier room is good for her vocal. Cords this is but I am serious. This better like lead to some sort of like web rock band experience because I miss rock band and and if it if you can give me something that is truly not just pressing buttons. But like I'm talking. We're trying to make sure that things are on pitch. So that if you're having a rock band party people are truly truly into the music that you're playing. I'm just I'm just saying I feel like there's some good times ahead. Yeah I was. I kinda had when when rock band added vocals kind of had to stop playing with friends. Because I was that guy who is taking it way too seriously. I was still like yeah. I know I stress not the sense of like ruining a good time for everybody else but by the fact that if I didn't get a good score on a song that I think I should be able to sing well. Yeah I'm like it would just make me moody for the remainder for at least ten minutes later. My pitches gwen stafani phony. So that's usually what I carry. Okay no doubt that's usually what I start with good because I can. I can sing at that level very very hard for me to sink foreigner for journey. That would be the problem. Uh Okay we're GONNA end this show by journey though. I love that song by the way the problem with journey is that because because I live in. SF giants territory. Like journey is often the stuff that song and I just. It's been Kinda just after so many world series wins I kinda got a Lotta journey here so I need a break you naming. Let's before we close off though I I I want to compare notes and one final way about like rock band experience did it. Were you seething. Whenever there's there was people who knew had to like Game the vocal track scores. And just like Oh yes there's a little arrow and it's like no you're not seeing the whole point of a rock band party is this is the entertainment and if you're not entertaining us go sit down and drink your jungle. Shoes love in their volve in there with the tropical punch in the home depot bucket little packs the bottles to make sure that you make sure that they're at the same levels. They were at before the before your little basketball all. JV Party no really. We just wanted you know we. We almost made state and so we just want to have. We spent so much time with these guys like would you. Those is college Andy. Because you're broken call and you're just like whatever you can get there. Just you know the jungle juice was mostly an illicit high school bike party drinking phenomenon because college you can like you're still broke but you can't raid like parents liquor cabinet so at least you're saying well if I'm if I'm spending eight dollars thirty nine cents for for gallon in Plastic Joseph Vodka. I'm at least going to like make. I'm GonNa make myself some screwdrivers. I'm at least so now. Everybody knows Indian flow. Have all been there and we're fine. We're here we're employed. Mostly I I. I've I have to. I have just simply say because this is again story. That would take a great story by would take a half hour. But I was of the first two weeks in College I. I had this realization that she had met Matt like a Polytechnic Institute. Everybody are everybody in the school are probably nerds. Who didn't get invited to like the cool like like really heavy drinking parties and all of these? We've got hundreds and hundreds of kids that now for the first time. 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Full Show (Steph Curry, LeBron leaving LA?, Kawhi's knee, Warriors' injuries, Lavar Ball)

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Full Show (Steph Curry, LeBron leaving LA?, Kawhi's knee, Warriors' injuries, Lavar Ball)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good morning, everybody. In welcomes undisputed live from Los Angeles. I'm Jim ham here. Get Bayless and Shannon Sharpe. Tuesday morning, I'm great. This is a ship. You realize there's an edict from the top here f s one management has decreed. No more diet mountain dew bets for Shannon Sharpe just to save him from himself. It's, it's off the table. You do it any Margareta back now I'm getting like cases in the next three or four games three or four games at management. Just tried to save. You are what. Bets realize if you see me in the ocean, I'm drowning put more water notion. My ocean is full of diet. Do. I thought, oh, whatever happened to. Oh, dyslexia action speak for itself. Don't tell everybody what you do. I'm like LeBron. I tell you, I'm yeah. We're going to talk about that later. Yeah. We are jam packed show today. Guys coming up a little bit later. Lavar ball, the one and only will be right here in studio, and again, indeed. But first, we're starting with Steph curry right now. He's a big favourite to win his first finals MVP Katie hasn't played in the finals yet but Steph is really stepped up averaging almost twenty nine points in the first two games. He's already of course. One three titles. Two regular season MVP awards, but never been named finals. MVP. Why Leonard as a second best odds, and is averaging about twenty nine points and a Levin sports. Now, I think in case could be made for Draymond green as well soon, do you think Steph should be the favorite here? I think he, he should. He's their best player now that katie's absent with the injuries. Coban loonies out skip. We don't know Claes clay the clay. They say cleaves going to be fine. He's a little banged up. And if they were to go on and win. I think because I think the media members skip considering that he didn't win it. And I think they look back as you know what we probably should have given that thing still because he did have a pretty good saved. Once we look at his numbers. His numbers were pretty good. He averaged twenty six points a game in that finals. Although Iggy came, and you kinda change the dynamic finals, we maybe, maybe we should have you. So that's Chris, Bruce arts theory. I'm not sure it's shared by his cohort. How about this? If human nature, did you see what steps to Portland with? No, Katie, when you see what did you see what's still did to Houston in game six? And in last Applegate a game five that factors into it sky. And so when you factor all that in this will be as fourth title. Five years, if hard for me to believe a guy that's that has that many titles. That's been VP for him, not to have a finals MVP on his resume. I think that's that, that would that would be a little sketchy to me. So, I think he he's the overwhelming favorite, now, and rightfully so. But I think he's going to get some Draymond is going to give some consideration if Dan mentioned and don't sleep on this guy. Skip remember Steve Kerr did this in the first one when he inserted Igwe dollar into the starting line Oba cousins boogie put together a couple of twenty four point game double digit rebounds. All of a sudden, you're saying, boogie could be the issue of this because you know think about what he played him in game the first game. He play eight minutes. I don't even know how boogie flyable boogie might be playable in this series. He looks over come to find out not only Steve Kerr player again, be put him into the starting lineup and played him twenty eight minutes. So I believe that Steph curry will if they win this finals, they will be the he will be the finals. MVP but Draymond could possibly average triple double. I just don't know if the point total to be enough for him to get those kind of boats. But I would say they're probably seventy percent chance to win the MVP. So you think it could be impart a sympathy vote on the part of media members give sympathies really hard work because, you know, the thing is not like to do is averaging fifteen points a game. He is averaging twenty twenty eight points a contest, but he's not shooting the ball particular, he's only shooting forty percent from the field, which is not very good for guys Steph curry Stirrup Curry's, caliber. I'm gonna go a deeper on Steph curry, and I love Steph curry, I'll say it one more time. I loved him for that draft. I would've taken him. Number one overall ahead of Blake Griffin set. It on the other show. But I'm going to remind you something you just made your case. And it's the correct case that he is. Now the favorite to win MVP, even though the favorite for finals Indy p the other night in the fourth quarter of Sunday night's game to Toronto. He scored zero points in that quarter. Big zero. In fact in that pivotal game two in Toronto. Steph curry went oh for oh from the field in the fourth quarter. He didn't even take a shot in the fourth quarter and he's now in the proverbial catbird seat for MVP if in that fourth quarter Steph played eight minutes down the stretch. He went over. Oh, from the field and from the free throw line, and he had zero cysts and he had to fouls and he had a plus minus a minus two. That's the catbird seat right now. How do you explain it? Well they won the game. And I'm not sure how they won the game. Because from the five thirty nine Mark all the way down to seven seconds. They scored zero and Steph curry the two time. MVP was the point guard on the floor for eight straight possessions from five thirty nine down to seven seconds eight straight Golden State possessions. They scored goose eggs goose eggs, and he's in the catbird seat interesting. Well he is because of what number two couldn't do down the stretch. We'll talk more about that later in another question that we're going to ask about number two. But again, I still think he's getting a pass number two for what he didn't do down the stretch, and it cancelled what Steph didn't even try to do because he didn't even take a shot against as he called Janke defense, box and one defense he just couldn't even get a shot up over the last eight minutes of the game. That he played. He might be that defense again. Okay. Veteran. And I'm gonna say this one more time because I thought it was incredibly, shockingly significant Steph curry had issues at the start of the game. I'm pretty sure they were dehydration issues because he said he needed an IV to replenish, his fluids, which would be the quick way to do it. You just shoot it right in your arm, but he said he couldn't get enough time during the game to get the ID, so he just drank and drank and drank. So he was dehydrating before tip off. And this is a man who always amazes me. He does not sweat. He never gets wet on the floor. Like everybody else gets wet. Steph is just drives a bone on the floor, right? So he's he's lost his liquid before the game. And you can't tell me it wasn't because of pressure stress expectation that he was putting on himself because he knew how huge that night was for him with no K D, And you can under this stance because in the final. They're never going down a one, they'd never done it. You know, they never started on the road case. So let's reframe it as we talked about last week in leading into this finals. This is it for Steph curry, his legacy is on the line. This is make it or break it for his career now looming before him or games, three and four at home. They're by far the two biggest games of his life because there's no K D we think. And now it's very possible. There's no clay. And this is just me on clay after I went back and watched again the the game repeal of him limping off. It looks so bad. He's pulled up. He seized up, you know how that feels, you know, it just looks bad. So the confirms it strained. Whatever it is. It's something's wrong with his hamstring. It's not torn. But it's not. Right. Right. Well, you tell me can you just flip that? Mitch. It's the one injury you can't gut through. You cannot got to Nuys, we're gonna talk about number two in his you can sort of gut through that, because it'll kind of stay right? Where isn't and if you get hot if you're warm, pretty good, you can go. But in this case, this guy, I just don't think he's going to be able to go. And if he tries to go, he's going to be limping gimpy, and if he pushes too hard in game three tomorrow night, go, it will go full on ripped to okay. So. Steph, you're on its you're baby because you were the one who came up so small in games. Five six and seven of the twenty sixteen finals as you had a three to one lead you had it, it was in your hands in your house, there for three games, right five and seven or in your house on your floor, and I hate to even keep bringing up the staff, but even game seven he should six nineteen. This is in his house against LeBron kyri Kevin love obviously six, nineteen with Steph curry, four fourteen from three and fourth quarter. He goes, one of six from the floor, one of five from three with the crucial turnover that we talked about. We went behind the back hot dog into the third row. It was a crucial killer at open the door for what was next chase down bicycle built for two blocking line lead, the kyri closer shot that won the finals for LeBron James. So the point is, he came up so small, that right after that he publicly handed his team. Over to Kevin Durant. Am I right? He said, we welcome you. It's now your teams in other words, what was that the nineteen nineteen thirty seven when he abdicated the throne, who the king of England he passed away, and he wanted to marry outside of been where you're going with advocate of this throws. So you say Steph curry advocated the thrown, but he didn't wanna marry outside to eat just need to help. I want to be the king. He didn't want to be the king, because he tried to be the king, and he couldn't close the king. So all the sudden most people outside warrior nation, the basketball fans whole they're looking down at Steph saying, really you just handed the team to him. You're a two-time MVP, and you wanna unanimous MVP, and now you're saying, I can't do it without you. So most people think in the last two finals, he basically road Kevin's co tales. Right. Okay. So now he doesn't have the coat-tails deride because I'm pretty sure Kevin Durant not gonna play tomorrow night. You know what am I Kevin Durant? He looks worse and worse than being. Did you see in the video getting up plane when they when they arrived back in Oakland? House. Kevin go play tomorrow skill. He's not an infallible gonna play. Okay. Cringingly doubtful. He's gonna play on Friday, which makes it increasingly higher and higher pressure on little step right, right? And now to close off what happened in game two. The other night, you realize in the big picture, he shot six of seventeen from the floor. My guy Klay Thompson shot ten of seven Steph from three in game two was three of ten. My guy Klay Thompson was four of six. So I made the case before the final started a little bit of a dark horse pick. But I got clay as the files MVP where would they have been without Claes explosion the other night in the first quarter? O-. Off the that have been down fifteen. They would have been down to fifteen so he helped him keep their head barely above. Yes, water jetty could barely breathe. And by the way, he goes out with eight minutes left. He had scored twenty five points with eight minutes remaining gifts. Well, if he stays on the floor, I think that tolls going to increase into the thirties. Yes. And he's going to be the star of the night, and maybe his in the odds hit would have ticked up after that. But instead he went out with twenty five and he wound up the Golden State's high score for the night with twenty five points because Steph managed, only twenty three total point. But he's in the catbird seat skip, right out. Look. We knew coming into this finals without Kevin Durant. Steph curry was going to be the sentimental thing to win the finals MVP. This is he's a legacy player. All right. Who's going to get some legacy sympathy votes? That's the skill they will that you said it, you said it's a harsh word that it but it's true. Yeah. I do think he's I don't know if he's beloved in the media, but he's liked in the media. Always get. He is. He's accessible. He's cordial. He's open. He's audible. He's hard to dislike skin aren't because even a normal guy this guy six foot two. I mean, he got you see walking down the street. He's not this hawking dommage six nine or seven Kevin Durant. He's not one of these guys people look like oh I could grow up and be six to he could be shoot threes. Like Steph curry like not going to be no six nine he's not gonna be Michael Jordan able to defy gravity and hanging the air and do all that. Kobe Bryant stuff they look. They look at Steph like a like a normal normal guy he is. He is until he gets on the he does Globetrotters stuff. I've never seen anything like it. But the skip what has been the store like I said it didn't take me a while to understand this getting into TV it helps you understand sports are really not about spor sports about stories in what's been the stores with the warriors is that Kevin Iran's been injured and Steph curry has been. Steph curry Abol, that's the story. The narrative is. Yup. So now here we are no k the adult believe katie's going to play banged up. Cle- Kvant looney is out. Okay. We won with Toronto, okay? He brings this. They get this thing cross the finish line. Steph curry getting the credit curbs, going to get that MVP. So to your point Steffes tear in the last quarter and a game against Houston in the four games against Portland was the greatest tear of his career. I've never seen things like before. But it was what was left of a reeling, Houston in Golden State was able to flip a switch with. No K D in it. So they just shellshocked Houston. And I think it was more about Houston losing than Golden State, winning even though Steph was tremendous and it's coming out. Now, there might have been something fabrics, ripping behind the scenes that using between hardens EP three and now it sounds like Daryl Morey, he's GM is. Is willing to blow it completely up in start over. That's, that's what Steph end clay dream on did to them and it led right into a Portland series against up to me. If I go to poor defensive team, but I think it was the worst defensive team in the playoffs. Okay, Portland live with Steph can can get his he can. He can have his way with the Portland guards. They're not going to be able to guard him know the way he's being guarded now by the best defense team in the playoffs Toronto. Right. So now leads to box in one. Why did Steph not even take a shot in the fourth quarter because Nick nurse to his credit? He is impressing me more and more by the night. Yes, he says, let's go boxing one. It is completely shattering the mold NBA coaches do not use boxing one. It's a high school defense. Right. It's, it's almost a church league defense. It's even lower than high school. Oh, they have a great kid over there. Will let's put one kid on him and face guard him and the rest of you. Just play a box zone. Right. And then you kind of help out as you can. And so how could Steph not even get a shot up against that because you would think what do they do? So great. They pick and roll for him up a high. But they don't have kevon looney who is their best screener and DeMarcus as much as I love him as a ball handler passer score. It's not his forte. It's not his strength to set ticks, he's never been a picks. He's been a star. Right. Gone looney was never a star. So you've lost that maybe bogut plays a little bit more. But all of a sudden it's Quinn, cook, instead of Klay Thompson, right? When cooks about six to ish, they listing monitoring. No. He's six two six one is right? Yeah. We had them on the did you. Oh you did. I forgot about that. That's a good point here on. Can he open up the box in one key, make them pay? In a really good shooter, but maybe not give we keep talking about KDB and we don't know if clay makes book the hundred percent healthy. Boogie is on a minute restriction. He can't play the his well he was. And then he had twenty eight minutes. I think that was that shattered that mole. But here's the thing. Yeah. Moving forward. How many minutes are you going to be able to play boogie if you one hundred percent healthy? So now that's even more pressure on staff. And if he gets this cross the line, I just don't see skip if he gets it across the line being the player that years four titles how he doesn't have get the final MVP. I don't think the voters are going to let that happen really know K. So I'm not sure he can get this across the line by himself, because I've told you before I love staff. I love to watch him but I gotta tell the truth in the postseason his numbers across the board, career postseason versus career regular there, down down down not dramatically, but significantly unless it's drop drop drop drop every stat down a little bit from in the caliber regular seasons. That's why. Is that is it because he's just not big enough and strong enough to take games over or tall enough. The way Kevin is to just shoot. Over thing is also is that when you just play in the regular season, you in New York, you go to Brooklyn, you go to Miami. You go to Landau you in Cleveland, you in Oklahoma City, Minnesota. But when you play in a in a in a seven game series, the team's focused, okay, what are they doing? And it's an adjustment night tonight, not, we don't have to start from scratch, when you go to another city. They're starting from scratch. Okay. This is what they like to do in this situation. Okay. Let's take this away. So even though his down slightly. I mean the last two finals, Kevin Durant had historic. Because in game three last just get remember Katie had forty three. I think step only score ten. Yeah. And they tried to do everything they possibly could to get step in BP in game four and cabinet ran in the process after running trouble double trying to get their piece gift. He got. To see it. So not sure. Kevin was into that. But go ahead. Was Steph seven. So when you look around and look at like that skill they try, but Kevin Durant his head to his story final run. Okay. It is hard to overlook that even those Steph curry is a finals MVP in played extremely well. So what did I love about that historical tear that Steph was on pre-finals mirror what he did against Houston the fourth quarter twenty three points in the closeout game? Right. When he three that was at Houston, this twenty three points, that's where the money is made. That's where you show me what you're made of. In the even game one of the finals he had thirty four points. He had a good game put up nice numbers. He had eight points in the fourth quarter, but they were all pretty irrelevant because when he finally came back in, in the fourth quarter, remember, they cut it to three when DaMarcus made one free throw caress would ten thirty eight left this game one and then by the time Steph finished his rest his usual rest. He comes in their down nine eight points. He scored were just felt almost like garbage points. Right. You see what you mentioned you mentioned the game. The game six would score twenty three. Then what do you think the voters remember? Okay with that. I'll tell you what I remember is game. One. Inconsequential fourth quarter game to doesn't even take a shot in the fourth grade. Okay. You gotta show me something because I believe game three tomorrow night will be nip tuck all the way home. I think it's going to go to maybe to the last shot. It's your house. It's your show. You have not played that dig in these finals games. You need to have that game that Twenty-three kind of game this time. If you could do it this time, I'd say, you got me and you've been making a case if he could take this home virtually by himself. That he's starting to make ten all time, I think I think some some people not people, but I think some players will always hold against him that he advocated this thrown to allow him the rental he did. They go abdicated because people willingly give and everybody's gonna look at it like, well, do you think magic would have given up his team to let somebody else, or Jordan? Lebron this one 'cause we're talking about great historically great, great player, now, they're guys is gonna go to the hall of fame but Steph curry, the transcendent he's a very, very impactful player. He's changed the way the game is being played revolutionized it. He made a living instead of dunks and being in the paint, he made it cool three in the regular season he did. Go ahead because Greg top in Tom glavin said, chicks dig, long bone will, I guess, now chicks dig the long shot, we used to be the crowd go? You don't go somebody. Now current letting thirty three's. Go in is getting the same on all star Saturday. I prefer the three point shootout. Dunk contest. So do I more fun. So do I. So if for him to do that, I think players will hold that against him. Yeah. I don't believe the riders will. I'm waiting in seeing. I still don't quite trust step, and I love to watch him but I don't quite trust him in fourth quarters of games. That's donning task asking him to do it without Kayla's in clay can't go his degree of difficulty is going to be through tomorrow night. Yes. And if he can stand up to it. I will stand up and applaud right here on Thursday show, you'll desert. Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing him live up to that. Because I'm not sure. Take take. Chance I get do make like you leaning towards the to about five times on the show. I'm leaning Toronto in game three. We'll put them cases on the I do not bet on number two, it's against my religion. I do not do it. I didn't do it in game one. I didn't better drop. Right. And I told you Tronto would win game one. We didn't bet because you thought they would to flip flopping on me. Shannon for his nod to the history of the English monarchy gum this morning. Lots more for these two two on, including will run demands frayed this. They're going to discuss that coming up next. No secret LeBron needs help of resurrecting the Lakers after that disastrous season. Some of that help could come this summer when a number of big name free agents will be looking for new homes. However, no guarantee any of them are coming to help LeBron and that could become a big problem. No pressure, right, rob linka. Well LA times columnist. Bill plash key says, quote, somebody very connected said, you know what if they with LeBron's gonna say either outta here or get me out of here work the Lakers, just as might as well? Get him outta here. So this truly is huge and really hustling scenarios, do you see potentially LeBron making his exit from the Lakers? Because everybody that keeps saying that LeBron could possibly want an exit if they don't get a top-flight free agent of the very people that said LeBron came here for other reasons than basketball. So why does that matter if they don't get a big time for, they say idiot did Bill us? And I say, I Jin cloak me yet. He said Evans said he's saying threat, I didn't ask you said it also did he, he was also one of the one that's been trumpeting. Maybe he got it from you. Maybe I'll talk on the phone. You never know. You'd never know exactly. Y'all been trumpeting this Baylor's. See what to try to do, but I do reacting though you'd have reacted started. This booed. First of all, LeBron James is a basketball player first and foremost. So let me ask you this. If LeBron came for other reason, the basketball if the Lakers word here would have just moved. If the lake there was no team in LA would have this Hollywood movies and TV show, the producers, and yada, yada, yada, that there is a team in LA. They're actually teams in one's better than the other so winded LA in Hollywood. Come into existence with an in two thousand when he became a free agent. Yes. Or. No. No. Okay. What about twenty fourteen? But there's always two for one two reasons to things can be true. So why did he come here? Twin come here for basketball. The other thing is that you also came here for, but you also told me that you don't know, if you believe that actual, but anyway, twenty fourteen did have an opportunity to come to the lake of the twenty four team. Okay. You can be proved correct on this. If he does one thing. And one thing on with demand trait and accepted trait. Leave you got me. It's all about basketball if he ever leaves if he pulls up stakes from his Brentwood estate, and he says hunting kids, we're moving to where Portland. I don't know. I have no idea. He did it loaded up loaded up the Trump okay, Beverly that he'll movie stall. How do you know that? You're a lot older than I am. So he'll be before. Used to buddy up cement. Do those? Look, I think if they with on free agency is an indictment on the front office in yoga's -ation, not LeBron James. Okay. Do you think he'll ever pick up stakes pull up stakes and leave here? No, no. None now because I think he's, he's done moving. I mean he moved picked up his family moved from Cleveland to Miami. He picked up his family moved from Miami back to Cleveland. He picked his family up and move from Cleveland out to LA. No, I don't believe. Okay. Then there was alterior motive. You get tired of. Are you picking up things and you'll leaving LA? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea, what could have could have if I had to, I would pick up and move big, if what moved a bunch of times and move right by this. This bottle. A lot of things you don't want to you've been in Dallas, you Chicago, you want to. But I don't need another free agent. I got my free. Yeah. I got my super team, you my right you do. Okay. So what do I need to move at little? Did you know see you took me into for overall? Everybody say who this little kid ill gay do van state. The Dow Jones Cowboys no more overall do nobody. Why are you taking this guy? Yeah. Turned out to be pretty good to see state. Yeah, but you know what skill if he does that was LeBron? He trying to see if he picks up state. Let's just say for the sake of arm he picks up, and he joins Katie or draw your another team. They have a superstar, then everybody chasing title. He can't do it alone. See Braun Kate wins get. We're not going to let him win. There's no winning or losing here. Do it's either fact or not fact, if they don't land somebody this summer, and I think it's doubtful. They're going to land, a big fish of big fish. Maybe it's Jimmy Butler. Maybe it's who knows. I don't know. He might be big. But what if it's good fish like carry Kaneria? No big fish himba Jimmy Butler with that. That's what you're looking at. What, what about you understand? I just don't understand why kyri would suddenly forgive and forget in rejoin LeBron he left him once, and I don't think he's gonna come back to lifting once. But sometimes I re is joined at the hit the biggest fish. We learnt K D. Sometimes we learned to air the way where K D goes, Kyra goes is. That's what's going to people make decisions. All right. Things that, you know, you lay like you know what I should have done that, if I get an opportunity to make a right or wrong wrong. Right. I'm going to do that. Let me put this back into perspective. These are nothing but I'd UIL threats from the people close to LeBron. I'm assuming these are coming from Rich Paul maverick Carter, maybe somebody else from the inner circle, but they're nothing but bluster their saber rattling they're just trying to say, we're still the king here and you better. Do you better help us will he came here with no health? That's all you need to know about this, this story. No, no, no. Give me I come there with nobody, I'm trusting that, rob Pelinka. And Magic Johnson will be able to deliver, what magic promise me sitting on my living room got was that his priority? No, no skip know what he did look when he came here, he didn't make a whole lot of blood. And everybody would look he's. I'm going to trust magic. I'm going to trust, rob. I limit trust the Lakers that if not this year we're going to get someone I'm we'll give it time. I understand this process takes time. Okay time up. Look the point is. Going to show you why he came here. The number one reason LeBron James came here. If we could just see this picture of this man, here's the number one reason, could we see it, though? Do you not do it? Skill. That's why he came here to chase Michael Jordan, number one, and Michael Jordan. Number one, eight Michael, other one. The twenty three was not great in that. Do you do that? We almost had him on the show. One time I think we're going to get him. But whatever the point, I'd love to having sit here that my career would be over. We'd be I, I I'm gonna I'm gonna where you're gonna go go to LeBron needs to go to. Okay. So the point is he said, this is look he's in the winter of his career. I'm sorry, it's just a fact. He's in year seventeen he finally had his first, quote unquote series injury last year. But the truth was in the games he started. They were twenty eight in twenty seven. He wasn't that dominant player I used to see where he could just lift up the Cleveland Cavaliers into the final, but us apart of that twenty twenty seven also without the he came up injury. Okay. Injury. What was record? I don't know what did they get to on Christmas day. They were pretty good. No. I don't think it was that good win, others winning fourteen or something like that. They were up to four but nobody was very good. Yet in the point. Was that, that was a pretty good. Run, but he wasn't going to be able to sustain it in his sixteenth year at age thirty. He turned thirty four. How about I put it to you this to some of my argument? How about the lure of LA in all it has to offer is enough to drown out the noise of Lucy. Okay. So what are you saying? You're -greeing with my point. No. You you saying. I just think maybe you know what do the do. I think LeBron wants to win do I think he wants to try to lure people? Sure, sure. But I think LA in what it has to now you're, you're on my side. I agree. I agree. It is a great place to live. Listen, Brentwood is fabulous. And he just got a kid. Okay. Okay. I got it going. I'll bet he's kids love it here every kid. I know loves it. Yes. So what's, what's not to like you're still a Laker in LA La Land, and your next door to Hollywood whenever you need to take a meeting for any Hollywood production that you have your hand in. You just you have Email, don't have on. They have fifteen minute car rides into Beverly Hills. That's why I got Email. That's why I don't have it because you could get your calling come ask me or you can pick up the phone. Okay. Well, he just gets in his car and goes some meeting with Capri. See pacino. Have you seen him on work it out of the league of getting them shots? We're going to talk about that shot. Don't don't show me. Tell me. Oh, would you quit 'til everybody on three ks do you? We tweet. Okay. So here's the point in the biggest picture. He signed off on Magic's picks last year. Magic you're going to do this. What are you gonna do? You're gonna go get playmakers. Not shot. Rush. He signed off on it, according to everybody. So that's all I need to know. Was if it works. It works if it doesn't I still got Hollywood 'cause he's Seguin into his next career and his next career is going to be as great as his basketball career because he's off to a great start the shop is great. Everything's great. He can become a movie star mostly playing himself, but in space Jim two he'll be he'll be good. He was good in and Bill Murray rolling Space Jam. Well, why not he need you because you are his biggest supporter? Right. Speak fat. You told me can you speak to tell the truth? So, so the point is he's not going to demand a trade, they want you to think that he would huff and puff and blow their house down, but he's not going to do that, because you remember the RIC Bucher story, I got it right here this is from couple months ago. Our man RIC Bucher Bleacher report, and he did a little quick, little informal poll. Some of the owners around the league would you trade for LeBron James in the first two, I c quoted here was one Eastern Conference owner. Would you how much would you give up for LeBron? And he says, at this point, probably nothing given where we are wouldn't want to gut the team for a player that isn't committed in his toward the end of his career isn't committed to full on full speed basketball. It's not his number one priority, because he has bigger fish to fry and other arenas. And he's in the right arena, right here right now because he's in Hollywood, as well as Laker, Lambeau perfect measure question. What a Toronto give away. So what's your point Kawai will coming up an injury hadn't played to play Hatton played only played seventy three games? Okay. They gave a bed, you wouldn't give up at least that Bulla Bron James and the Eastern Conference was he when he was traded twenty out of them how to win seventy two. No. I'm talking about number two seven years of age. Then we quote here in the Bucur piece of Western Conference owner. Who says would you try says depends on what I have to give up. I wouldn't roll up the truck and give more than one protected. I four okay could you get that, maybe you keyboards hold on limits? You question there's a reason why dog a rouse, Nick RAB? He'll warn you. He warned. He's warning who he's warning, Jeannie. Okay. He warned you will. You hit a what are they telling you say, step on me, does that say won't pass me, this SAT? We owning because they can only do as much as they can do they can try. You don't think Jeanie and Robert gonna try less heart? No, no, right. No, they're going to try. They wanna win at least is probably even worse than LeBron. This is the second time runs made a mistake. He's put his trust in, somebody didn't know what they would do. Well, maybe other time with that guy, he'll left return to it had to leave again, that got the guy who is being voted by you. And Chris Bruce art is the executive the year at the trade deadline last year because he made all those great moves one of them with the Lakers, acquiring a bunch of Joran Clark's. No, I like a Larry Nance NASCAR. But for whatever reason Rodney hood. Okay. Maybe maybe it was his fault leaving. They'll do that. Don't do this. It was not his fault. But I'm just saying you've been worn. Okay. So he's going to leave. He's not going to stay on the line. And this might be the perfect opportunity to make up some ground, Shannon, and you've been salivating over this. Why Leonard with a left knee injury? That's a result of compensating for his injured right quad. That according to the Fleck now, this is the same quad that caused quite play just nine games last year for the Spurs. Shannon's been beating the drums despite the apparent injury. The claw has been awesome in the playoff harassing about thirty one points and nine boards, Shannon. How much do you believe this injury is truly been affecting quietly? Be honest. I tell you for the longest now a little confirmation just got a confirmation day, like got flight schedule confirmation, Mr. job. Here's your confirmation number k me, this is confirmation. I told you kill Bela's as still what happened and you know, this you have run, and, you know, when you hurt one part of the body, the other part, will compensate in the priming, I don't know if anybody Jin but September six will be my third year working on this show. I don't know if anybody know this, but before I did this before I skip Bayless up a regular basis, I use the bus NFL pl- defensive players up. On the football field. Do yet. Yes. I forgot after thirty six days, disqualified. Go ahead. In nineteen Ninety-three scale we play in Kansas City, narrow head and Albert Lewis tackles me from the back and he pulls me down. He falls on the back of my and bins, my left ankle inside. I play continue to play shoot the ankle up continue to play. Guess what? Your skill had right? Knee surgery. Okay. Guess what skip after doing that? The rehabbing tweaks game I can tell you the play in the nineteen ninety four give what happens. Get headache left ankle surgery. You see the body is used to work as a mechanism legs, working unison. And when something starts to affect one side of the body, the other side, just just the way the body works. We'll start to compensate. So what he did is that when you hurt the right quad, he's starting to grind down on the left side and Totta. Now we got tonight. So what I've been totally you all telling you all alone the guy wasn't he's not a maker. He's not. Dilly dally row. He doesn't wanna play with his. I know the man was a what he wanted to say. You know what why you hurt bre we know what you represent even if we don't have this year worth waiting a year for, and he'd have been fine. This offers me validation. I feel very good this article came out. But it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know having been there and done that what Linda is going through. Now, did you have knee tendinitis? Yes skill. I hurt my ankle. I started started compensated rights. I, I ended up having to have knee surgery. And on the flip side are hurt beneath the net here end up having to have ACL. So I'm saying when you hurt one side of the body, the other side will compensate it. If you're not careful, you end up earning that sand. That's why you remember because you say he was limping he was labor, and then he don't came down. He living another side limit on the other side of the move. Our got which limped dilemna he did. The left to right. I remember. No, maybe, maybe it was the right. One was left one. I don't know what this is this is making me sicker the day. And. Yeah, I've run a lot in my life. And I know all about achey needs because my ache every day and every night, and I my knees religiously every single night, you can ask Ernestine I never miss a night. Whatever game is on. I just put to ice packs on my knees because I couldn't make it without it because they're just tendonitis seat, because I've had two surgeries on one and one on the other, and I still runway too much in you're right about tendonitis in this way aches when you start. But if you just run through it for about a distance run if I can make it for the first eight or ten minutes, then you heat up and you start to sweat, and it heats up in it's good. And you can't feel it until you stop. And then it hurts. So I get he might sit by his locker. There was one story last week after. A game one. Maybe it was we sin by locker and he said, this S H hurts. Okay. And he's got an ice bag on one of his knees. I get that because that's post playing. But once you're out there. This is just made my and I know this guy's game maybe better than anybody, this side of the Spurs because I watched nearly every game, he played for seven long, hard years. Great years, two, good years, great. You want to know what you wanna title and you have good and every time he's in, they want great is because do you know how many times I had to say he's hurt again. It was his knees than it was his thought by then it was his hand, then it was his shoulder, then it was his ankle, then it was his achilles. What else can I may calf? He's had a calf. He he, he might be Fred might really be real fragile. But that doesn't take away from his greatness. Okay. But when you say they were great years, they just wore me out because he was always. Hurt fragile mentally, and physically to me in the point here is that he has become an say at one more time, because it's the God's truth, he has become the most overprotected superstar in sports in the wake of LeBron used to be LeBron. This is the poor man's LeBron. He's the next hit factor player. We're gonna talk about him in a minute. He's even gone up against Nike. Now we're to go into that. But, but the point is, he's on the verge of superstardom. This could be his finals. And yet, he knows deep down. He needs an excuse because he's not the mentally toughest guy. It's wide down the stretch of game to the other night. I told you he's getting a pass for it. And the reason he's getting a pass is that nobody wants to knowledge it, because everybody had crowned him already. So what happened down the stretch over the last eight minutes, he went over three from three. He missed to jump shots in the last two minutes that could've turned the game around he had the crucial turnover at two eighteen left, and he got away with too. Controversial call plays one that the in the last two minute reports the DeMarcus cousins DaMarcus cleaned swiped from him. He just stole the ball from him. And they call the foul that they shouldn't have called according to the last two minute report and Steph threw the ball up in the rafters and got a tax three free throws there. And then he charged in all right. Okay. He did he made all his the whole game that was great. But he charged into on and just elbowed him out of the way. Just elbow. Right to the chest. And then he elbowed Bogin got away with that. And he wanted to okay? He an wanted after he came down and walk those. Then he will he did. Okay. So they protect him to, I guess, so those are six points in the fourth quarter. Then on the key play the game. The claw does not react quickly enough to as pick six pass lobbed up in the air by Steph curry, we've been that was the game which may prove my point the tonight show. Oh, couldn't move. Boy looked like he's moved to my is he just looks completely. Okay. Easy explosive on both ends the floor. We'll how did he go thirty four and thirteen fourteen because it's a miracle a miracle man with the with the great ones can do that? When they are injured or hurt. Whatever terminology, you want to use this situation. They find other ways to impact the ballgame so his jumper wasn't falling. He wasn't explosive needed to be. Guess what's got to the free throw line sixteen sixteen twenty eight in this series give this where I get give you push back. I'm a guy that believed that if a guy could leave and improv situation in scale the height, you got to be mentally tough is the mentally fragile ones. That can't make it. Why wouldn't the Spurs offer him the max because they didn't trust him mentally or physically to be that guy. The max conjuring causes same reason to patriots. Don't offer the max because Tom Brady has never taken them back. So if Tom Brady the best player. Don't get it. How to have we give it to someone else will Tim Duncan didn't take the MAC, Tim greatest choirs. He ain't TIMMY, thank you. You could make a case. Tim Duncan Jim Duggan, the top ten player that's just for this argument is just for this arguments give and that's what happens. Tim Duncan is a top ten player of the greatest PowerPoint ever live. He didn't get the max, the Spurs automatically assume nobody should get the max, the patriots automatically assume. No one should get the back. Okay. Tom Brady time after time after time give the team discount. Don't worry about what L here. I don't worry about if I go into a grocery store, and I see someone that's not me. Whether or not you get a discount when you go by car. I can't go to y'all. Gift out did lamarcus get the max onto Rosen little exit. Here's the thing that was Dhamar derozen was in Toronto. Everybody treats their guy. I didn't worry about what twenty dollars I didn't worry about what being it. I need the Broncos to be fair to me. I got it. But here's the thing goes skip. Is that when you attract afraid to get him to come there, you know, you got to overpay because why would he leave a situation that he's comfortable with plus lamarcus Aldridge wanna get out? See he thought he would go continue leaving though he can go to a situation where he could be the man because he's so Lillard. He didn't wanna show that glory day, literally, and guess what happened. He met his destiny on the very role. He took aboard because when he got there, that guy was demanding and he didn't even know it. So he tried to go find sanctuary in a place. Waiting for that. They ask him to be the man that I couldn't. And then they ask number to be the day the next year. He missed Seventy-three don't when as we while we need you to take this thing over defensive player of the year. Why can you do it again player of the year? And in his third year he got hurt. You know what I hate about this? The most healing, you. This is the cheapest most foolproof excuse. All of course because I can't argue with it because nobody knows the truth. He might have tendonitis or he might not have them. Are you hurt? I don't know. I haven't seen one ounce of limp in the video limp the other night. Yes. You saw Thursday nights trying to run up and down the court. I'm about to be fitting one Thursday night. Yes. The first game. Yeah. He couldn't get that gear had to get getting talking about. They won the game. No. But skip you saw the man running. How thought he was stepping on hot coals saying? Beat her. So now he's got the perpetual excuse. If he comes up small as he did in the fourth quarter, the other night, down the stretch fails in the clutch IBM's are many f thirty plus points. Tomorrow night, will he should have? He's the best player on the floor, right? Yeah. I never argued with this. Bruins I used to tell you is the best two way player in basketball going back, three years ago, our first year on the show, and you said, no. Dogwood. You just what you started talking crazy about he will better than Bron. And that's why I had to give you pushed we'll at that point. He was better. No, he was not playing better than LeBron James was at that point where he planned better Brown clays, and he's really good. The problem is every other night, he's like I don't viz what we know to be one hundred percent for certain had he been on the Spurs and Kevin Durant. Get hurt had gotten hurt like he'd be. There's a great chance with wild limit on his furs is the Spurs, in someone else in the eastern late in the NBA Biden's. There's a good chance if the spritz had gotten by Denver this year Jamal Murray hadn't made that last second shot the Spurs would be in the finals right now. They could head Jamal merged mall Louis and didn't matter. Malcolm, Jamal Warner if you got the Spurs NBA five. How about that? This quiet gets thirty two. We get a costume. By get back old wide you put out wide number two out. Really got even if I'm picking the raptors near picking the warriors because you've already sort of leaned in that direction bit wear. So you wear the costume unless you bet on that team why you will give me a bit. Well, I don't bet on number two why would have to sit it would be torture for me to have to sit and watch the game. And I'm rooting for number two, it would be let it go skill. No, I don't let it go. I had not letting any truce. Rapper, quote, put a jury. A costume LeBron may not be in the finals, but he is certainly going on social media. 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The ways corP app today to catch a ride or give a ride to work or home. Ride together with ways carpool. Ron never shy. Right. And certainly not in sharing his feelings on social media yesterday. He posted this image on Instagram saying, quote, bleep social media. I'm Joep in real life Laurent went on to say. King service announcement cooling all but please, please. No, you don't need it to feel special or dope. You already are use it responsibly. Shannon, can you. Right. We don't regardless, even though I have two four eight win follower. I don't regard this guilt bagels in two point eight eight whatever he talking to you. To me, look skip this what we've this is what we've morphed into this, what we kinda resigned, the kind of resigned ourselves to is that it's about cliques and lights and social media has done a disservice because they have these things called filters. How can make little flawless? I can make my face my arms my, but my stomach everything flawless, and that's gonna get clicks that's going to get life. And they look at me. I wrote a post this morning when I pose my break was as you post your breakfast. Yeah. To break everyday everyday gonna be good. It'd be good. Break was to skip it says too many people spend money, they haven't earned to buy things, they don't want to impress people, they don't like. And you come up with that. Able to hold information. You retain information, very well. You know that we plagiarize. We live attributed to somebody. I don't know. I wrote the wrote this down to destroy to say is that a lot of times that's not reality. Every if you didn't know better, everybody lives in, like a five million dollar mansion. Everybody drives a Rolls, Royce, a Mercedes Benz or some kind of exotic and everybody has a job make it a quarter million a year. If you just look, social media, I'm like, what I thought was on this hunger was all this. We got going on America very living labs like this. But we know that's not true. And some people skip life is based on social media. That's not reality. But you gotta be what you see what you get with me when they see me. Yeah. My bad, sometimes unmade. The I got the dog in my bed, and at the end of the knife, guilt. When I let my hair down pillow. I am very, very pleased with Shannon Sharpe. I don't need to impress anybody. What you see is what you get. Yet, yet, what you live on social, and I keep trying to warn you trying to advise you don't let it think for you. Don't let it dictate who you are. Don't let it change you are because. Got it about what just by steady. Stay on it all night when what they think about now. I think they like me to do. They didn't like me today. No sleep. No, no, no, no. That's number would be me. My grandfather told me and my brothers when we're very young boy as long as you got good hands. You don't need anybody. Tell you how good your your down on the back. Wait, you don't need a plane says, Shannon. The guy de Moines said I kick skips by. I busted him up that guy. Oh some guy in Polk Attila Idaho's busted him up when I have really hit low that prove have flinches. I bet you do. Okay. I have a whole lot to say about to do. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, the timing of this post suggests to me that the king needed to remind everybody. Hey, remember me? I'm still the king. I'm remember me. I'm LeBron James. I know I'm not in the plasma. Remember me? Stop it. Lebron, we remember you? We got you. We know you're still liking halston puff and blow their house down. If they don't get some yelp for right? Okay. Next thing I'm struck by is the presumptious audacity of this post because it made me. L O L, what have been last? Why? Because. It says came I came to get it out. King service announcement as in here. Ye here you, my loyal subjects come. Oh, this is a Royal proclamation Yeesh, shall not take social media that seriously for your own good. Hear Ye says the king. Right. The hypocrisy of this. The please look in the mirror, LeBron. This is overwhelming for me. I don't even know where to start with it because let's be honest about this. Lebron James himself is in large part a product of social media. He came along at the perfect time. It's wise got what forty nine point four million followers? Your forty eight point about boy about through. Okay. And he's got forty three million on Twitter, so of all the athletes in the United States of America. Number one, number one on Twitter way to go. But he is in large part a product of it because to me, if you tell enough gullible people enough times that you're the king if us enough, king emojis, after while those gullible people are going to say he is the king is. So that's how social works to your point, you just keep telling and telling and telling and they finally say he must be the king, right? But he's not the truth, because he's really not the king, because the truth was this guy named Jordan, who used to play for the Chicago Bulls. Yeah. Air Jordan and yeah, that guy. And that guy never needed to tell anybody. I'm the greatest player who ever walked. He did every time. That's what he always told. He never. He never. Magic what he told. Okay. There was okay but, but he might have told magic competitor. But he's not going to say it out loud to the media because there was no social media. But I was the media. But if the head been he'd have been on it. I don't think he would about being. I think he's above social imitate. What this, why I'm good with social media, and yes, I'm on it, and I tweet and, and people I talked to people on Twitter or not sometimes I comment back on I g I realized a very long time ago. I'm perfectly imperfect talk with would lisp room. I a heavy so the dialect, and it took me a while to, to be okay with it because, for the longest time, people would ask me why you don't talk like your brother y'all were raised up together, both you grew up on farm, but he doesn't have the, the dialling you have and it bothered me. I even went to therapist. I'm we speak pep Allah just got to connect to that. But you know what? Skip. At the end of the day, this is me. Okay. So I'm good with it. Okay. But LeBron's, not exactly good with who he is because he keeps having to use social media to tell us how great he is. Okay. So what happened to Michael Jeffrey Jordan through the nineteen eighties as he rose into prominence. And then what happened in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight his company, Nike came up with the slogan called just do it eighty eight and from that moment on Michael said, okay, I'm going to show, you tell you, I'll just show and he just did it. He did it six times with six in DP's in the finals. That's all you need to know because he didn't need to keep telling everybody, buy Instagram. There was no Instagram. He didn't need insulin. Raw the okay, how many times do I have to watch LeBron working out? He should work out. It's like a duck to me. You don't have to show me, a lot of people, you know, I mean, tell me, there's a lot of the though he led, you know, the work that he puts in, you know, because sometime people see a lot of times, people think just God given and he is all really good. I don't need to know at five fifteen year getting up shots, Laker. All I need to know. Is your free throw percentage last year was your career worst sick? Fifty six point five percent. All I need to know. If not in the morning don't post it just do it next year show me, you can shoot eighty percent and win you seven cases of diabetes. Oh you skip. So when he does it you understand why. Because sometimes people think it's magic sometime. People think just happenstance. They don't understand the behind the scene in the height or depth of this was last week. We go, he, he had to post a video of him winning a four-shot and report shooting contest with us fourteen year old lead. Yep. He beat his butt, and that proves to everyone all those gullible oil subject out there. He is clutch. He's because he shot the fourteen year old I I am. I'm stupefied by it. I, I am. I am L O L doubt on my mind over it really to that. Here's you staying there place. Don't hear s and then Finally, I used to regard LeBron as the best role model in sports illes abdicated. Oh, have gone for St. credit. I don't know what he's going for. I know that creek because you have to post, something that starts with the F word, and it's like every chance he gets on H, B O or even in his post game press conferences. He's going Edward, he's going S H word, right? And left. Shook it offends me and I know people use it but he doesn't need to use it in public. He just he's better than that. He's bigger than that. He's classier than that. You don't need to do that. You have kids. The more thickly somebody class. Okay. So he's trying to send what he call a king service announcement. Would it starts with the F word? And by the way, this picture is from Toronto bar. They have Toronto. So this is as close as he's going to get to the NBA finals right here have been. Yeah. Yeah. You need to stop. I don't need to stop. I need to start in what he owns let him get away a kings, king. Okay, here. Okay. Well how about this? How about this? How about if this Shaw? What he's trying to do. Don't let this be your valid nation be bigger than this. It's okay. I get the message of it and messages true. Okay. That's always it. It's hypocritical though. Yes, you. Deliver that mode of the class is the messenger is to harbinger. Oh, so you like the message is the harbinger, or the bringer of the bearer of the news, that you got the problem with, but don't worry about it, and you'll have some oh news for you next year. Newsy in the NBA he'd better some news on July. First. That's when he'd better. Last-second. That's for sure. All right. Speaking of the finals are the warriors really in control against the raptors injuries there. We got rob Parker up next to help us answer that question. The big question marks surrounding game three. We don't know of Klay Thompson or K D. We'll be ready tomorrow night, and now we are joined by Bob Parker Rahm. You've also got Kvant looney with that cartilage fracture in his chest. Do you think the warriors are in control of the series? No way. No. How are they control? And fact heard that before just once or twice there. So the warriors in such bad shape, I think the ambulance is going to crash into oracle. Oh, I mean, that's how bad it is. They got nothing. But bodies everywhere, you don't know, question marks, and I think if you're warriors fan should be very, very cautious about this, even though they're coming home. They got the split. They were looking for right? You go on the road. They've lost at home. They lost two games to the clippers one really bad one for the ages given up thirty one point lead. So they're not golden at home, and then look at not only the. Injuries. When I look at the series and what's going on? Look at Steph didn't have a field goal of fourth quarter in game two didn't take a shot white and also shooting thirty nine percent. People say he's the heavy favorite to be the MVP shooting. Thirty nine percent. He shot fifty percent and the first round forty seven percent of conference finals, where late now Portland, but he hasn't been that guy. And I think that's why when you also look at their finals record with K D And without K D. It's another concern there eight without. K. D. That's not that impressive with K D eight and one. So when the injuries of piled up when you look at where Steph is, we don't know clay off to a great start and was going to have a big game right before he got hurt. We don't know where he fits in, and I know looney hasn't been as big as he was in the conference finals. But he's another big part big loss. It is a big log on he's done indefinitely. And then even boogie cousins who play really well game to. We don't know. You only play eight minutes in game one played a lot more game to how does the body we at. Right. So there's so many question marks I think that in this situation, they could wind up losing game three coming at home, because there's so many question, what's and then Toronto would be in controlling rob. Did his homework. You know what rob I that? Yeah. You for once. Life and I'm, I'm gonna agree with you. And for the very reason that you said, because I think the, the warriors got what they wanted you go on the road, and you say okay if we can win one year, we like to be greeting both them. But we can just get one and bring it home now home courts favor. But these injuries you don't know if in win Katie is coming back. I'm just gonna go in guess what? I'm says katie's not coming back. Anytime clay okay way. He's gonna probably play because they know Klay. Really, really tough. But I don't know how effective is he gonna be? He's a guy that runs off a lot of screens. A lot of pick skip you kinda need legs run in that hamstring if his grabbing just a little bit. You notice it, it's gonna fact ability to be Klay, Thompson, and Kvant looney looney with avenue, a little less eleven points on seventy percent shooting since Katie went down. They could use that I'd say boogie cousins, okay, boogie came back played. Well, you don't know. Scanty coming up a major injury. You don't know how long is going to, he's going to be able to laugh in so Toronto like man loop. Yeah, we lost home court. But we missed a lot of open shots on Sunday. Did those go in we feel good? So I don't think yeah this one one flit and they're going home. But I don't see the warriors as being in control of the series yet. I thought you told me earlier you were leaning Golden State to win game three then you say that you're trying to get me to bet against the raptor. No against I do not around them in control, because the raptors get if I like I say that they had K D it'll be too Owen. It'd been going home. They'd been indicate native really been in what you call the catbird sing, but they don't have Katie. And he's not coming back. The warriors are not going away and you watch, I wouldn't be surprised if on Thursday, we talk about this now, skip, now who's in control now might be a who show. No. Clout? You think so you might be okay? Well, you just tried to bet me the opposite way. I don't know. I got you those flip flops yesterday to we have him, though. Wear them for the rest of the show flip flop flip flop, or now is that what you got him some FOX to go cheat? Gujrat. I might have MRs. Let's just say have Kawai jersey on Thursday. Well, I've already told you I'm going Toronto in game three for all the reasons just detail, courage earthy. Okay. Well, you better. Okay. So you're gonna go opposite. So you're gonna flop over to skip. I got the warriors six I know. So you need to pick Golden State to win this game raido I got Golden State in seven games. So I think Toronto is gonna win this game, then Golden State a win game four. And he'll we'll go in the U MacBeth two out of three. Well, I just told you I've been right every game. I'm going to be right. I have to I was right on both. I notice I was supposed to be going to melt. Well, that's a whole nother. So to all of your points, it all comes down to little Steph curry the pressure is suffocating on him tomorrow night, because I just don't believe clay is going to be able to go. I don't care how tough he is. You can't run through a hamstring and Kvant looney is a huge loss. I don't care what people say he was the ultimate pick setter because he didn't have an ego, and he had a huge body that he would go on the perimeter. And he was he has he has good high basketball IQ. So he set. Good strong picks for Steph in clay, and he got them free for the shots, they shoot and all of a sudden when he's gone. It's not DeMarcus cousins nature to go out there and set picks. He's a star any play like a star the other night, but they had to start channeling the whole offense through Demark it, right? And in a paid off in a crunch in a desperate situation. But I think if clay can't go. Oh, you're gonna see that same box. And one defense had our time. He couldn't get a shot off quarter. He went over. Oh, really? Oh for oh and down the stretch. Five thirty nine two seven seconds, left, that they went eight straight possessions. Empty they just couldn't score. They couldn't even get to the free throw line. What does that tell you? This was the number one offense and all pro basketball this year. But you take clay out of there, who is my dark was picked to win files. Do your point. He had twenty five points when he went out with eight minutes left, and he saved them in the first quarter, because he was crazy. Hot. And the thing that I'm gonna see. I'm gonna play that defense again. Okay. And I'm Andrea Igwe dollar can make that shot. That he and you're right. I make three or four in a few line. Yeah. In the flow the game. Iggy is not going to make that shot. He's a thirty three percent. I'm you know what I would like what Toronto did I get it? You don't want to leave him open open. But one for fourteen in a previous six games all day. We'll, we'll keep on making those big shot hit some big with those Sunday hit three big threes. They were huge. I do trust him to take and make. But they will be a little more mindful of him. And they won't be so wide open shots. But that boxing, one worked, and it gets me because you would think van Vliet chasing Steph out on the perimeter you could go pick him off easily because you got four people in a box, and you don't have that post defender coming out to jump, you know, the and double team off the, the pick. Do you look at it? Like it's like I Ron IQ or not. I'm not be the right term. But that the warriors the way that they started their championship. They won in Cleveland with Twitter guys hurt, right? And now here it is at what could be the end of this run. And the same thing happened to them, because of KYW we and love not being held in the injury. God's getting even well. I mean it looks like it because every would have. What have Lakers Magic Johnson out Scott James worthy. I know 'cause I picked the Lakers to win that series in game one they both will down. And then they get sweat yet. Right. Gentleman sweep. Late at one of laurel. The bottom fell out of the. What happened when you go to nine finals in twelve years? That's a long. You go to five in a row, which hasn't happened since the sixties. Celtics. Which makes my guy the guy that delivered the essay yesterday skip, you know what I'm talking about. He went to eight in a row as prankul in two Olympics in their king. King service and. Eight more divide. Most play. Okay. Three and six good in the cabin. See, I don't know all I know how many Michael Jordan to in a row, six eight six. He went to six straight and he had to take vacation. But then he went three one another Bakke show when he was playing. He went went to LeBron of the Brian take two or three years. I mean he come back refrains see this. This is the list of all the hall of famers Michael Jordan stopped winning championships during his run, how long this list. How many great teams or not just told you about ten hall of famers, who didn't get a championship everybody doing LeBron era. Eight who got shut out skit. Nobody got shut out looking everybody's wanna channel LeBron. Which team did Michael Jordan beat that was as good as the warriors. What are you talking about? You wanna stay with team. Did he beat whether Seattle whether Utah Phoenix, who could he be that team can match that teams could matchup 'cause they would just play football? We won hall of fame, you know, Patrick you is the only hall of fame understand that. What about Miami Miami on the team Orlando team that he'd be oh? Shatt impeding beat him. But that, that's none of my business. What bring that up with me, Ronald Shannon? You got head. Astra self during this era stuff as many championships as LeBron. This is the LeBron era. It's as three. Well, given the why k missing something, how many head of eating, how many will LeBron's have a feeding go to Miami and do the just the one you might and you know what if it wasn't for. Ray. Allen skip right way. Alan remember that who saved his baking only have two eighty Lakers, who's on the team was Kareem any good was magic any good. What about James worthy demain, wills, Bob academic, they had adequate? Okay, what Lampert with any, but the other the only difference in, you know, this is one is organically from trades and drabs. And another one is when you put together LeBron weep, twenty so quick 'cause, you know, when he started it, and what it goes on the white finished measure question when you get a burger, did you did you did you raise the cap put it down. No. I didn't do you. Okay. So what you eat the burger the same. Right. So organically, put together if the fame thing at the end of the day, you eat burgers. Right. Thank you, or your putting together a championship team down to you. If I'm the one who's putting that burger together might have. Yeah. We appreciate you being here to help us put together the segment in the show. Always a pleasure to see you and me. Sure to keep in right here on Fox Sports, one, because coming up, we're going to discuss why? And why is going? I thought he would give a backbone. After a stressful game. It's only natural to need some well deserved rest, upgrade your current sleep situation because matches firm is offering the best bed deal of the year. Get a king bed for a Queen price or Queen for a twin price for savings of up to seven hundred dollars. Plus take home, a free adjustable base up to a six hundred ninety nine dollars value for free. You'll only find these deals during mattress firm's Memorial Day sale, so don't miss your chance to start sleeping like a pro shop now at mattressfirm dot com slash sale. 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Qua wants to take control of his property because he says, look, I came up with this logo is a very similar situation to rather federal Rodney federal with Nike for long period of time. He had the interlocking are f which Nike came with either leave in two thousand nine he left to go to another agent braying Japanese company called, you know, no clue. I think that's how you say it. And at he left before his contract was up Nike. I think is going to turn it back over to him because his his, they stopped selling veterans, close on, on their website and everything like that. So they turned it back over to him. That's going to be very interesting. I don't wanna get to and all the minutia how this contract written because Nike saying, look, yeah, you came up with it, but we us like something you come up with something. But I, I guess we'll get credit for it. It's mine. And so hopefully and Kawais like auto I'm as big as I'm I'm, I'm on the international stage now because like you said, even though he wanted to finals MVP that was Dunkin. Everybody knew my new in Tony Parker. He kind of blew up under the radar. Now, he's a household household name on a large scale. He's what a brand that's really known for running shoes, new balance. And they're not know for basketball shoes. Like it's my opportunity to try to grow my brand. Now, I won't it. It clo Camille big hand, I won't Nike like nombreux stop. They sent him that letter that seats in. Okay. You betting on claw or Nike here the night, you got money. I got a little money I'm going to bet on Nike. That's just me it's not exactly a fly by night operation. HD is in Phil Knight. They've been in business for a while. And I just checked this out before the show. They're the number one most valuable sports brand in the world. So I'm just going to bet on Nike. Let's get what they want it. Why do they want it? Let them have it. I'm assuming something got signed away. There was a form that signed away, the intellectual property rights of said logo to Nike. And so the contract was the contract and they're not commenting on any litigation yet. So we're not sure about Nike side of this. But the two issues, I have is number one, it's very intriguing to me that I soon this from uncle Dennis number two uncles who now controls all of his business operation all his management operations, and it's interesting. You have filed suit in the middle of the NBA finals, which this is just me. It's a little disrespectful to the Toronto, Raptors organization and team because it's a small distraction. It's like. Why are you doing it right now? Couldn't you wait until you backed it up by winning the MVP and the fine. Well, Nike Nike, probably sent him that letter says, we need you to stop, you know, monetize this, and he's like you don't have to tell me what to do this, man, I created this logo. And so I just wish skill Nikes not going to sell anymore property would Nike food, and that just let him have understand what you try to do. He wants to put it on his new new balance or any, t shirts or anything that he wants. And I get it. But was Nike going to do with it? They gave if they gave Roger Federer, the r f BAC, they can give him that back scale you, I'm sure they're saying a contract was a contract, and we took you on when you were nobody rather federal out of his contract. Roger Federer's a whole lot bigger than this guy ever has thought about being, so that's why they should have held him onto him and co I go all right? And you keep the big fish, little fish, the second issue. Have is I gotta give this guy, the hood spot to have to take he was the first player in the history of the San Antonio Spurs to take on the classiest organisation in sports, I believe he quit on that. But he had the guts, along with uncle Dennis advising to take on my Spurs. Anyone who come on? And he, he just quit his way. Right. He while hose door. Now you said he took him on. You would we'll has he won the had won the finals. And then he got out, okay? He didn't want to be very anymore. A lot of time when you don't wanna be somewhere. They hold on to you. All right. Bye by hook or crook. He got out as I keep saying, crime has paid so far. I'm talking about basketball crime, would a crime was how you treated the crime will not believe in that he was injured the crime that you sit sitting those two goons. Tony Parker mom, noon. Yeah. You just call Bonnard. Yeah. They were loom, okay? They tried. They tried to hijack trying to hide you. On the chair and put all the teammates Ryan. Well, we need to know we think we got a good chance. What's up called him out my favorite all-time Spurs, quote was from Tony Parker. After that closed door players only meeting in which they put number two on the hot seat you with us or not. No, no. He'd ever spoken a word. You want a quad, my style hurts. I gotta fibers in so Tony, Tony then tells these Antonio media, my injury was a hundred times worse than his because he tore his quadriceps muscle, his yes, he ripped in riveted rain, a playoff game against Memphis. Then he rushed back so that he could join a team that had a chance to go win. And all if their best player happened to win a play. But he didn't wanna play out. Did you know that Tony Parker tore his quad rush back and he ended up in Charlotte? Doing all that it showed you where their loyalty live Tony Parker. We appreciate your service, but you offer him a deal one hundred more money. No, no, no. He wanted more playing time. They say John tamer, any Bill, the okay so, so what was the purpose of the Russian we're getting off subject, because the subject is he took on the Spurs, and now he's taken on. You wanna talk about that's man get get a mandate skill there. Give them. What are they going to do with the low digits wanna hold it? So you can't have it. No, it's a contract is a contract. I will bet you Nike prevails here. Wanna bet I'm gonna take the clo-. We'll take the call. We'll take the clo clo e one for one. You're betting for the claw, because you're betting against me. Have you noticed here? The man came with it. Okay. Good. But he sold it to Nike when. Do you sell anything tonight? He's so maybe his lightness day, maybe he's okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna become a endorse. The I'm gonna wear this you. Yeah. And move in ways now, he's got a new balance shoot right to weigh way. Well, he way the other night they'll do this. He pan he wanna put he wanna put the claw on the bottom of the shoe. He wanted to t shirts and merchandise with that on it. I'm tired of listening to you, but I wanna hear lavar ball. Yes. The one and only here. Magic Ron welcome. And of course, as always with him so much more. Our next guest is the always honest, and always outspoken father of Lonzo ball. You can see him in teasing for a ball on the family on Facebook, watch lavar ball skip. It's been waiting for this morning. Welcome back. Last time you were here. Yes. You made a shocking statement about Magic Johnson that dropped all of our jaws. And guess what? You were right. Roll that tape. Why didn't magic intervene? That's what I'm saying because I think is, is from my point of view now. Listen to stuff like that. He's just a face. I'll be his say. So it was like, say so really I know it's not because he told me some things, and I thought that should have been done nothing who is in charge. I'm trying to figure out who's in charge. That's why the system is crumbling down for. I don't know what's going on over. There is just an HR Jeanie Buss. She just some stuff that she says she's the one who told magic to, to get Lonzo. So say if she said, don't him under the bus if it magic only FOX while you didn't get FOX. Unless somebody above you said that you don't get I think I like this guy little better than what are you there for? You were way ahead of that curve. So in hindsight, put it back in perspective for us. Put a bag of respective to see. This is what everybody when I say pains, they liked to say, either you on the right. But I always know, I'm always, right? I can't help it and is just like. Desk, from my opinion, so I don't have to be right to be wrong, but it's right to me because I feel about and some of the conversations that we had. That's what I just didn't come out and just say that just to be saying. So you were not shocked that magic suddenly quit right? No, I'm shocked about anything never thought about it one thing I'm talking about it. If my white leave me. Shocked about. Okay. So what happened behind the scenes, as far as you were hearing between magic Pelinka in genie. Well, if you say you're gonna do something, and it doesn't happen, that's when I kind of lose faith in you not really faith. But I knew the value of talking about, but the value is word. Exactly. And sometimes somebody above doesn't allow you to do that. Or or you just do it on your own. Right. But either way is how feel about it the right situation. One of things say we keep family together. And if you're gonna keep family together. They told me some things, what they wanted Lonzo to do online to get stronger one, get faster. I want to lead this team, okay? If you won't believe this team now you need to do something Alonzo want you get him a piece that works very well with him, which is his brother. Which brother, anyone both of both of us what I'm trying to tell people what you've gotta get jello. I at least gotta give them a chance to play with Lonzo. You should at least got him in some really anything. I thought it was gonna take him as a last pick. At least one more pick go ahead and get getting, but why wouldn't you do something to help Lonzo? I wouldn't get his brother who has the best chemistry with him. And he can play so they don't even give Napa -tunities. So that's I just like, okay, whatever. You guys say I mean nothing because you say family together and you don't even bring them in. So they lead you to believe so magic to believe that he would at least give jello an opportunity. Yes. Iran. Behind closed doors talking, just like grown, man. We don't have to put it all out there, but I put my boy on the team and nothing like that. Let him play with Lonzo and see how you do if he does raggedy, but I'm thinking it were let him laws. Do they together? They always been successful together. So that's why I was like I can't roll Jon now. So we've repeatedly heard that nobody out there trust. Rob Pelinka in the NBA business world. Well, it's kind of hard, it's kind of hard. If it was agent. You also some people some favors. And that's why you get somebody's other picks. You like why did you take that guy? The reason he took the hill, this do to favor from back in the day. I don't know too many people who run. You know runs something like that. If you were agent because it's too many flaws. Do you have a specific pick mauve honor? Maybe Michigan kid. Well, I'm just saying I ever had. The other key, whether it's AVI, whatever this better players out there. Okay. But when you when you sign people this is like, okay you go overseas. Look at some people, but then you say you don't go overseas. You know, he's in a ballboy they overseas. Anyway. Not US only them, but you look at somebody else. So that's why I'm like, don't don't tell me you owe somebody something because you guys take you put him against my boy. My boy kill them. We keep hearing Linda Rambus is the new shadow owner that genie listens. To Linda, do you buy that, have you seen that operation? No see them together. I see them as two good friends. It's been together for a long time. And they don't wanna here's the thing. In this business. The majority of the owners of men they ain't got. No feelings, right? Doing it by go the women. They're more sensitive. I love you a great guy. I love you can't get reading. So for them to, you know. Talk with each other, then the, and that's our friend. So they gone talk like that. And then people won't take a different way like oh, you only listen to her, but she'd been around her for a long time longtime. So that a good bad thing. Well, I makes business, you know, say you got out of my right they say that. It's probably a good thing for her because comforts her because she's on season, a plateau by, she's the only woman that's like owning gale. Yes. But, but it's hard to come in here in a man's world, like this with that type of environment. So that's why I think it's comforting for her to have a friend, at least talk to, you don't want to beat by yourself all the time. Do you like the direction genius taken this franchise? No, I don't like the direction less, you have all three of my boys direction along, as you, you know. If you put too much emotion into it. Do go make some bad decisions. You don't make some bad decisions. And that's why sometimes somebody gotta be as they say angle, say the woman, but the bad guy that's the bad guy for a reason. So she obviously, like Luke Walton allot off court. You not think that's where you're going with this should I brought him in and it's like, oh, this is my God. Man. He was a son to taking over the Lakers Bush brothers to decide. He's in here with me. So you feel you him something, because he's coming in with you, as you becoming a boss. And I gotta give you credit for this one your way head of that curve. Also because you were the first to say, Luke's wrong for this team he was wrong for your son. It's hard on your son, the rookie year, he played five minutes. Pulling him not playing for the next fifteen minutes right now. That's why I can say that say this because I don't like I'm not going to say, I don't like a person like the way he's coaching like that. But as far as any Mona street, or something like that. He's a great guy. We first came into league I was like Luke, because he's young this what I was thinking. They don't have an old school mind with some guys said in ways, where most people are, are stuck in the old system where you gotta get under a veterans leadership understand not understanding, like sometimes you get a guy. I don't need no veteran leadership. He already know how to lead. That's my boy. He Bill fairly. Grooming, the right way you giving fancy cars early. Fancy cars on me. You don't be out in the clubs. He don't taste the women. Got some beautiful women are world. There's always something to do. Get on the recarpet do this, my boys themselves. Not like oh, like a little hermit shale. And then my debt, but they don't be wiling out. And that's why people like, oh, wives Lonzo, he should be free. Those who say he didn't do is free. Throws out ready instead of going to the club, he'd go on a studio. Do something that you love to do now trouble. So it became clear LeBron was no fan of Luke as a coach either. So is this. It's a good thing for both Lonzo and LeBron. There's no more Luke. Oh, yeah. Definitely. That's definitely good. On a fact that Lonzo gotta get healthy, get healthy and then him and LeBron's at the same type of game. So that's why it was the first ones that, you know, have triple double in a long time on the fact they know each other's game. They IQ is very hot. They got the same thing when will will. Allow them to become closer and everybody's going to be like while the Braun mentoring Lonzo, you ain't got him into Lonzo, they just got to win together. Right. Because you can have all the mentoring in the world and you lose who cares. Or you cannot mentor at all and win. And then you like a great thing to say last year. Lonzo had surgery this year. I don't think he's having surgery soda, you go from rehabbing to actually training. How much of a difference, is that gonna make on lonzo's game this year lonzo's game? This year is going to be. Solid on the fact that they have a new trainer. That's working, right? Okay. I didn't feel that he was doing a proper training when he got hurt and I know us telling me like Kate, Reynaud heels, I can't do this, but you have to do. Gotcha there. Right. And when you stop doing that, now you get these little Knicks. It's just like training Hughes. These rubber bands, a lot of lightweight lot of reps. Yes, he can't get strong doing. That's why my middle son, jello. He stayed with me superstrong because he doing it. My way we go with the heavyweights to get bigger and stronger. But the keep that motion going, you gotta keep shooting pick. Okay. So therefore, they don't get hurt be out to and people, and that's where I told Lonzo, this forget about whatever's going on in your life, as far as the outside stuff with, with, with the brand with the trading with this don't wear about nothing. Get healthy so you can play. So that's his main thing right now in his mind is at ease. Whereas light even jealous working out with him and stuff to an upper body and stuff. So he's healthy heading into the always going to be healthy. He's still got a little ways to go, but it's not a rush. 'cause it's like training camp. Don't start to September. Right. So just make sure that should date, so we can go slow as possible. All right, hand long as we get it in and a little bit of time. Don't let nobody rush you back where you like all I'm trying to play in the summer. I'm trying to do not think you'll be ready for training camp. We'll be ready for trying to get. We'll be ready for sure they won't trade him said it won't trade him. Trae, Lonzo best guy in a business got so much going for more than anybody. They got his own brand. He's likable. He's marketable. You don't have to worry about him being in trouble. You don't do drugs re with all that you can't shoot forty-two percent from the free throw line, just what you can win. Okay, always if you shoot for you know what? I could've fixed that a long time ago free throws. Again. Why should I pay me Lakers? You won't because it up. That's, that's my son. Right. I could have winning in fix that faith it. I'm not going to fix it. I fix it now. Nuke has gone. Love credit. No. It's very easy to fix free throws free. Throws, you ain't gotta go out this mindset. Right. Ben ninety percent shoot AMI says he been should now Ma the two boys ninety percent. He was a better free throw shooter knew. But when people was telling them all this stuff, they don't know how to be hard enough on him to make make free throws. I'll tell you what I gotta tell you every time you miss three free throws. I won't ten thousand dollars. So if you missed one this game to the next game one moments ten grain coming to me. Okay. Every three miss wondering duty him. Now you can do that could. But I'm not because I don't feel like you sound like Shannon show. I don't like the that you'll saw you always going to be my you know, he can't the point guard he's going to be on the court at the end of the game. And free. Throw. You have hackers those situations have hackers. I wanna see it and I'll be there in that game. See, I told you something. Did you hear the by you know you you? You shoot for their two percent of the beginning of the game but you better shoot a hundred at the better but he wasn't shooting at Lamar he wouldn't at the end in the game. Keep doing that. Don't start in the fourth quarter. Hurting yourself. So would it tear you apart if they writer him tear me apart? I know why all playing basketball. I'm having a good time. What, how about this here? Yes. What? Okay. They keep him. They trade him. But the other two boys get opportunities is just not with. So would you be happy? Here's the thing. To be happy when all three of my boys in NBA. Okay. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying Kay do they have to be together. Do they have to be on the same team? Why can't it be like the holiday brothers in one Bill holiday brothers? You know who they are their own brand? Okay. On. What good is the brand you way winning? Just keep telling brand dot one or you don't get out of your got one my winning. You got. Quiet. I want to know bread. No. How about over in after you leave? Nobody don't know you not be okay. I'm being the ground. I won't be on the ground with triple Bs on the fly around on the helicopter goes, they make the right there with some. We'll be on the why can't it be enough? What have you? Is enough for you know, you? No, not huge economy and they have the NBA all on the same team has happened. No. Okay. The wheel don't happen. Trust and believe that I'm gonna tell you I write all the time. Doing. I know a scenario right now where they all could be on the same team, but not like you want me to tell you. Let me tell you ain't to be like us. Okay. I'm giving the Lakers the first rider refusal don't be still be get all three two ballboys who not gonna come watch this show. Please tell me. I'm trying to win the bar who's not boys. Don't win. That's you try to you try to keep Korean don't you? Why don't you show now trying to create? We'll ask you told us is going to be the Phoenix Suns as in. S. O. N. S. The weakest team in the lead time. And I say, that's why I'm gonna start at the bottom because everybody goes think you'll start in about about you. They got the second p who the like that Nevada. That's why they got a sick of picking the drought. Don't you been telling my boys that they've been babies always had them plan on raggedy team? Yeah. Go into. Okay. So with nothing new to them. So with Brad, Brad brain, the of get all three of my boys. I guarantee we bring him up. I we're gonna say, we can get out of you which seemed you're talking about. But we gotta take a break for just a moment. Don't go anywhere. We've gotten much more lavar ball coming. Lebron's likely gonna need some help this summer and free agency to get the Lakers back in contention, the clock's ticking, last week, Bill ski, the LA times, said that if the Lakers win in free agency, the Broncos say, quote matter here, or yet me out of here. The VAR ball. Our guest today. You always have an interesting take on the Lakers pulse. What do you think could LeBron m'ont out of the Lakers situation can abroad, one I'm no? Brian going over Brian is looking at the big picture, go bring somebody in LA. So you gotta have some stuff tossed up air, when everything you don't go smooth because you've got to see his story turns out, he's got he's got enough. We got enough talent on that team to make them win without a free the winning what we talking about without a free championship ballboy you gotta championship and shabby issue that's championship. What free agent can get this summer. You know, Nino. Oh, free agent really may know phrase, and you've got enough believing what you got the game is young fast. You've got enough young fast guys got enough young fast guys, you just got to put them together in believe in them, and go from that. Because sometimes everybody thinking you could put all these great players together. But if they don't have no chemistry now. Want to see what happens when you get one or two, you're not gonna get no championship one or two. Not gonna get a championship. You have to have three. Okay. You have to have three to have a champion. Well he where we got one. We need one or two. Okay. You get another one and you ain't gonna win the championship your AD and carry you ankle winning account temps. You'd be off. Stop play the bar. You ought to you too. Big for this. Are you seriously saying, wait wait, tell me how that would work watch it? That would you tell me watch it work? Check this out this to get married. You get divorced. Again, t you don't go marry that, girl, you just divorce. Arranged marriage. We already did on the go. Now no-one things ain't going, right. You thinking we'll go back over there. I made a mistake. The mistake lavar, you ain't going back to the idea until. Yeah. I would if I made a mistake, you know, anybody who has the mad. It'd be rematch say person in. Normally what am I friends did that game? Yeah. Misery one time. Why are you gonna go twice? They did. They look thing that was now whether you come back together win some stuff, but it's going to be hard to think of him like a winner. Now what you did with Boston Boston did better without you. Lash come back. Lebron color posh shielded from all. But here's the thing. No, you certain places. You just can't come to. LA is one of them. 'cause. Nebraska never look coastal from the king to, you decide second world came into free throw. That's how people change you. Real quick. You know it comes with the territory. Face the program for you to do it for us. Get out of here for dissent sucks. All man is I wish we wouldn't have never had him blow. We can add on the picks before him. And that's how that's how this is. And if you let your mind to you and take away up here, and in drop you down, just like everybody. Oh, Jason Tatum move. I said, wait till next year. Nothing about it. You're right about that. So now you go at this high level, you gotta stay there, because once you go up here you got another place ago. You wanna think about it. Talk to insanity Lin sanity, whatever name in with how. How's it? That is so good for him to be up there. But he smart enough to save money. Now he cheer all day. Now he's sitting around it was good to know what to do. You ain't get no game. How much is LeBron James have left at this stage? Lebron james. Our say as probably. Maybe maybe two years, maybe to you, what a plan really good basketball on the fact that his, his legacy would be. You come to LA and win winsome. That's what's going drive him. But what's going to help him? Get that is the effective Masan as because this is a type of player he's never had before. What I mean by that is a guy who just doubt in on winning. And plan inches. Lonzo no superstar. He ain't by got twenty cars and all these women. Other guys got they own set. Lonzo young so Sola Bronco and look at it like this. My little brother when it comes to win it. He'll wait. Wait a second at the trade deadline. Rich Paul LeBron's agent, obviously, wis pushing for trade for Anthony Davis would have required shipping. All those kids to New Orleans shipping, all of them, all of look at that in a different aspect is like. You know what they say is part of the business don't get personal. We don't know which way these kids are gonna take this, and some could be our pussies and be like. They never. They like me. So now you put up this wall say, hey, I don't trust these ads or you can be like, oh, part of business. But what is that, if you give them a chance to win together, and they win the first kid take it? My kid's gonna take. You're not gonna take it like that on the fact that Lonzo was the middle PC. He can get along with the youngsters and go with them, and he can get along with LeBron. So he's the middle piece so he can go either way and bring them together. And being a point guard, he can definitely do that. Well when we kick it to him at three point line kits his own three. Yes. Cash money, we know we need cash, my no. We don't need. You think he can't shoot? I don't know. I don't know about it on thing. Let me let me tell you this with he makes bigshots man. But, but here's the thing when you when you've you've free his mind and let him do what he does. That's when lonzo's at his best. Well, you know, he's not going to be the primary ballhandling lebrons on the court. But look at the there you go. You're not looking at the game, the right way. Now's the ball like that. You run Heathrow it. Yeah. I know that he don't have to be the primary. But here's the thing. Here's the thing, give him the ball and go to your job. But lavar at some point in time, yes, they're going to get back to what they call transition defense. Now you're gonna have to run the offense in the half court. Can't he do that on the consistent level offense on? What do you have to do? You don't have to do a pick and roll. Okay. Well, wait anybody who can shoot. Well, he don't need to be able to, to anybody who can shoot. What makes current and Klay Thompson told me they wanna pick it role. They can shoot. I'm not saying they have to be that story type shooter but you gotta do better than forty thirties. What is you thirty percent? Don't twin into three who cares? Lavar dot that who cares. You wearing about these percentages of twenty and thirty. What are you gonna game? I'll tell you what. Look at the boy from Toronto vanfleet. Yeah. Guys. Tell me all you can't shoot. He's two for twenty right? Okay. Just percent isn't caught up with a mental issue. Same thing basketball. But that's basketball. We know this was all appeared at like seven games. Okay. We had fifty gave to look at Lonzo, you can have one hundred games that you got to Luke, Walton in front, you never go Luke is gone now. So okay knows okay. I would you come? That's. Does. Why wouldn't I know my boy 'cause you okay? 'cause we have your back. We will have light show tail up. Okay. What do you think the new coach? No, not a new coach right now. You gotta see what he does. I mean, this is like, okay, Tyrone, Z, ain't giving you five years. We give you this. There's somebody out there to give to me, I'll take I'll take them. That's what I'll take it. So you got a like what he says, but everybody says the right thing when you first aid, I love you. So God, what did I do? Say he's saying the right things because he smart. I love lonso wait doesn't nothing. But good compliments in the beginning. You got to do that. But if he rolling with Lonzo Lonzo do is that a of? Lonzo sat with him yet on. No. I'm. No, I haven't talked about that. You know, talking to the coast. My thing is talked. So always asking me was getting better in bed getting better. That's the only thing I ask them about because that's the main thing it's like man. Are you working out better? I'm good. That's what I'm talking about. 'cause don't worry about your baby mama day. Whatever. Don't worry about nothing but doing what you gotta do to get right? And get back. Like I told you, you hear a lot of things in. When you when you own bus rides and stuff, people, a lot of stuff getting e especially if I ain't around Rhode Island is Spain this Tony. I said, son, I never told you that you had to play for this money. What are the things always told Lonzo, I said, when you own court sign you want all people in the stands say, you know what the best player, I'm rooting for this team with the best court is that guy right there you need to go back to that, being knowing that you the best player on the court. With both teams and winning usually doesn't. So when you get back to that, and stop thinking about on into care of my family and my daughter and the money and I need a bigger contract, forget, all that I'm never told him about some when you get twenty so much money gonna be ridiculous. Always. Somebody gotta be better enjoying. Why not show? You gotta go back to that being the best player in whether I gotta be better than the Bronco LeBron bro jumped. Already done so lawns all ready for training camp on that ankle and gonna feel out Frank Vogel. We're gonna get much more of our ball coming up right after. The volleyball is still with us. We appreciate you. Joining us talking a little bit about your other two sons jello and addition to Lonzo you'd love to see him all play together team Lakers not going to happen next season. Where do you see these two playing next season? Where can we catch him? Well, if you're going to catch them. Definitely catch them into somebody that's what's going to be a little something different on the fact that. Jello and mellow come out at the same time, Mellanby overseas jello had to have surgery on his ankle. So he finally had to surges ankle. No ligaments been playing her ankle for seven years. So now he had to proper procedures and everything is gonna be looking forward. So he'll be rehabbing from actually. October to win training camp stars when summer league starts for next year. So he's got a nice, no window. I had to tell him because he was supposed to come out this year. But said it's better to have the surgery, right way. So don't go into camp eighty seventy percent. Let's go in a hundred. So that's what he's going. Like the only thing he just doesn't like the waiting, but I tell them, you're only twenty years old man. We only go be twenty one next year. So don't, don't worry about it. But I had this thing that's mellow jello. Came out of time and this is going happen out this way. So now like, how did you make these things happen to exist? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Let's put big baller back into perspective. You suffered a scandal friend years, a confidante of your family. It's not even a scandal. It's not even a scandalous handle something. This tricky is not. It's all made it happened. But it happened is not a handle. And my sons say they were they not hurt. At about feeling value feeling no feelings. I if we have a barbecue and you eating all the chicken, and everything you may hurt too bad. I'm just looking at how to respond in when they with me right now with the media, you can make sound like oh he's he's so hurt. How are you heard? It didn't break up the family. You still playing basketball you. Well, taken care of. So where's the heart will maybe they put it on the front for you? Maybe you don't have our. Where's the hurt is that inside? What are they hurting about? Because someone someone that loves thought you could trust with gun this to okay he did it to him, you can trusting I'm still his father still got his mother, who cares what down outside does. But he was on the inside. He wasn't outside. He's on outside healed outside that. No, he's always on outside. He's a foster he's not a ball but he is that. You can be next to me, but you. No okay with somebody circle small. Okay. That's the family. But someone lavar ball's family did this. Yes, in Lonzo felt betrayed by this person you really don't have to worry about being portrayed, because you still taking care of by me. But here's the thing about this, this, this problem that we have that I have. Okay is that you telling him how he should feel how we should hurt how lonely should be just one on? I'm not telling me, I'm just explain to them, why you're not hurting. Why are you nothing roll man? He's man. But if I explain things to him, the right way, so he can understand it. Okay. Now you can sell these as dealer and I'm gonna say, why see yard because I explain why you hurt. He said, because when you heard his money, you're okay. Okay. His money got stolen by somebody trust. It is that, okay? And he's still young and it just right. It's betrayal. Here's this thing if you. In south central and come up with a gun. Still your money. Okay, shoot. You. Johasson ahead. Okay. But you didn't know him trust. So as. Steal the money force, but you money with no force. Let's better. But the ball you looking at it from a port a lot better as a fifty one fifty two year old grandfather. Right. You have to understand. I'm sure you don't have the same thought process as a twenty one twenty two year old. If I had some means means dollars that I wouldn't feel like that either it's not stopping Lonzo, whether you had the one point five, what do you need at one point five four earned? But what do you need? I want to I don't want somebody's wanting just want to know you know, they don't take it from time to time. This is part of business. This is what happens. Yeah. I guess what? I don't expect someone that when you gotta expect somebody who's close when you can get it. No, you could be. Did. Did you make a mistake letting inside? Make no mistake income, you know, like I said, a whole people face value. Like people was like, well, why didn't you do a background check? I'm from LA south-central. My thing is this if I give you a chance to do something, I'm going to be nice to you. And to you show some bad to me. You show me. Otherwise, I'm like, you know, I gotta do what I gotta do. Now. Going away way. But I'm not going to be like you know what? Let me do a credit check and a background check on his guy a whole people face value into you, do something wrong, then I'm like, okay. Stop me from doing nothing. Sometime the value hold them at face value. They do something so wrong. You don't get cancer up, but how can not recover UK but some people how here's a luxury train my boys to be not emotionally messed up. That's how I got him from day, one me and my wife that way, we got our voice bread is not that sensitivity thing, you might be because you which, which grandmother allows no, you sensitive side though. I can tell oh I am not gonna tell you. A little hard. We built like that view. But of built like that you'll be crying who took my money feel those hurting stopping. We didn't wish your wife well on Geraldo. Spirit, you asking for that man. You know what all the stuff that goes on it enlightens me when people ask me about my wife because there's a lot of things going on and for them to take the time you know what it's been a while, but how's your wife because after a while, some people do the state house wife hear from him next times, they don't say, how's your wife? This guy's a nice one. She mean is heat. Heater. So, you know, man Puerto raised three two. Today. All right. Whether ply, we'll be staying in Toronto. We've got that coming up next on one. Our final topic of the day. Why is he actually going to stay in Canada after the finals TSN in Toronto reporting Naper quite bought property in the city? Shannon anything. Good. Ronald marketed. Lots that would hurt. What you are down house in San Diego, too. So what about the motor deduct from that they got a team down there. I don't know about somebody in Toronto, probably gave him a thirteen million dollar lot for one dollar everything in their power to get him to stay. Then when I write off. Mccain, the I'm not reading too much into this game. Yeah, they've even got what's called a co wine and dine initiative downtown where every restaurant tells him he can eat for free for life. If he stays in Toronto. That'd be hard. Be nice day butts you to what? And plus, you can get like one ninety I mean I mean you know what, what people to get out of money, get all the stuff for free like you, you get out stuff. I don't get any pay for every diet. Do remember, remember, you went to the restaurant the to Shane room when you go to the restaurant eaters, okay, into know, something, I don't even eat to dessert. Desert, you'll get it for free. Well, I don't care. But you know what he's gonna stiff Toronto. Bad as you wanna bet. Today, we will be back tomorrow morning at nine thirty. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny tapped join us again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. We'll see that. Of.

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"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show. From today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good morning welcomed undisputed. We are live from Los Angeles. I'm Jenny taffy was skip Bayless, Shannon Sharpe. Good morning. You two Shane better be sharp today. What did you? I'm talking not look b b. All way, all way. I hate us smell what Twitter told you? Let's see what they say. Oh, you know, you gotta be all. We need. Been how he disappeared who made him disappear that number twelve in Foxborough made him disappear right now, there's only one person trending more than me, really. That would be one midst massive Lucy. Oh, yeah. You know, what's really knew who? Get your y'all for what the whereabouts because you're clashing out. What I don't know. I just look what Debra busier than the floral five. That's okay. Okay show this. Move on from Sunday's miscall. And what is with LeBron and choir? They ever gonna play again will we are. So. So I can't wait again. But either way we're going to start with Tom Brady he is headed to his ninth Super Bowl. And we all know he is forty one years old. He said in the past that he can see him so playing until his mid forties. But that might not be the case, according to our own Jake Glaser Jay wrote that he can see Brady and Bella check retiring together, if they beat the Rams, and he added that he has a gut feeling that Brady will retire before. Drew Brees freeze turn forty last week. But he said he's pretty positive. He'll be back next season. So shannon. Can you see Brady retiring before breeze? No. And given the way that breathe played over the last six weeks of the season and even play up in this NFC championship game. No, I cannot skip. Here's the thing. When you look at these these Brady Tom Brady, drew Brees. Tom Brady was two of the three least sack quarterbacks in all of football. Drew brees. Number one. Tom Brady's finished number three. Both guys have dominant run games. So if you're gonna tell me they're going to get protected like they got protected they're going to be able to run the football. They run the football. And you know, how all the rules are set up the guy how you can't hit the quarterback any Canada receiver both of these guys can play. Now, I'm gonna stick by because I've said this was they got rid of Jimmy Garoppolo in up in New England that I believe Tom Brady will play twenty season, and that will be it. But given the way he's looked the last the last last two weeks the dominant run game. He's been untouched ninety ninety pass temps to not downs. No sacks. So Michelle is running the football this. Well as any running back rented in the playoffs. I know that that CJ Dickerson guy with the Rams. I don't know act guy is dominant. Does get CJ head that what had that one great game against Dallas. Yeah. Sunday. Michelle is put two of these things together. One at home one on the road against Kansas City. Skip. I just don't see coach Avella check in Tom Brady's retying at the same time because so much is at stake here. One needs to stay longer in order to receive more the credit you go out at the same time. It's going to be the question, we you. And I both know apart of this coach Belichick wants to wanna title without Tom Brady. Yep. Tom Brady wants to hang around and see if he wanna title without Bill Bill. He does. I just do not see both of these guys going at the same time as far as breeds. Drew brees. Did not look good the last six weeks. And I don't know if we were to look at these two guys. I don't know if Brady's worst was bad is drew reasons worse in that. I don't know how to defy. I got I over years going with. Yeah. So given like I say given that neither guy took a whole lot of big his this year. Brady's video more protected layoff time, then he was in the regular season. And that's saying something considering he was only twenty one. Times. I just don't see skipping. Like, I go back to that. Dallas game from the Dallas game on debris. Threw seven touchdowns. Five interception. Yep. That's not drew Brees like considering at that point time. I think you only had one interception at the time. And he had a quarterback rating air Rogers has the highest quarterback rating for season one twenty two point five. Yeah, you're reading something like one twenty five one twenty seven at that point in time. And then at the end of the season, he wasn't even close to that. So with that being said, if you make me say it right now, I believe Tom Brady will outlast Jubran by how much gut feeling. Probably. A year to year year. I got Brady going almost went to to. Yeah. I got ready to go out of your twenty. You're twenty he walks away. Okay. The one man in sports. I do not bet against is Thomas Edward do. I I don't I don't do Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. He says again, and again, and again, he's on the record. I'm playing until I'm forty five that's at least two more seasons to know. He's let's be three. Okay. Three it'd be up to forty five. What however you want to three board? But that's okay. I believe he'll do for more years. And I believe he'll do he'll play at least two more years than drew Brees plays. And I'm not sure if it's going to be drew Brees is choice to play or not to play because that's what's getting fascinating in New Orleans. Right. I'm with you about the drop off. So if you look at Tom Brady season versus drew Brees season Tom Brady season went like this. Right. Drew Brees season went like this. Right. So Tom Brady got better and better and better. And then he peaked right on time. Because Tom Brady knows how to do this. He knows how it works Jansher knows out works. He's been there and done all that three different times. You won three Super Bowls. You were three for three in what happened every time your team peaked right on time and your team was relatively healthy. I'll bet I don't know. Exactly were stance. You you weren't unfortunately for the Atlanta super bright, but your team was relatively healthy. And it got hot at the right time. And Tom Brady knew if we can just start to again, they had the bills in the jets to in the year. So they knew if they could start to build off those to kind of practice games and feel pretty good about yourself. And then they just clicked and got hot against the chargers, and they got even harder hotter at Kansas City in the cold. And all the sudden they're back in the Super Bowl because Tom Brady was going like this. And he saved his two best games for last. Right because. I don't think you can argue chargers. Chiefs was to best games of the whole year because you've made the case again, and again, well, he was teetering here. And he was just average here. He wasn't Tom Brady here and here and here, but all of a sudden he was vintage Tom Brady. I don't think I've ever seen him better than he was against the chargers and the cheap overtime drive. Yeah. Overtime. Dr been one of his best drives ever three straight third and ten conversion hard to do on the road in the cold with big crosswind. So drew Brees. Did he hit the wall? Did he follow the proverbial cliff as they talk about players just hitting that age wall? Look for the first eleven games this year. He wasn't just good. Drew brees. He was all-time. Great. He was on pace to set the all time QBR record through eleven games. And then he hit a wall in Dallas, Texas, actually in Arlington, Texas, but against my Dallas Cowboys on a fateful Thursday night. And he never quite recovered. He never got. The heat back. He never got on any kind of a role after that his QBR going into that game was for the whole year was eighty two which is extreme. And then from there on the four games he played in the regular season. He was a QBR fifty. So it wasn't a disaster. But it just wasn't what you came became accustomed to. And then in the two playoff games he was hit and miss. Maybe a little better against the Rams got hit in the mouth and through the interception ended the game in overtime. But again did he have a terrible year overall? No, no, he didn't. So and I look at I try to go back and look at the last five years for breeze and Brady I see no decline. I can't show you QBR where say, oh, look, look what's happening there in decline age has caught up. Nope. It hasn't caught up either one of them because they're just stay pretty much the same. And then the aberration the outliers this year for drew Brees Zeke it just spikes. Okay. So. I can't I can't argue decisively that he hit the wall. And I don't think you can't either. And I think the thing is when you look at it. You're not gonna see precipitous drop off because neither one of these guys rely solely on the armed. They were never big arm quarterbacks. So everything you look at how they do things. Now, they rely a little bit more on the run than what they did in the pans. And both of these guys they spent a lotta time around the edges to now. It's not like they're going all right to my. And I've told you this repeatedly and consistently drew Brees has lost some arm strength over the last couple years. Does it look the same to me? And he's a smaller guy at six foot ish sort of just a little maybe a touch above six feet. So he has to dredge it up, but he has to reach back a little harder to use more jagged. Tom Brady is six feet four inches tall. And it's more effortless for him. And is it just me? And I know we went back and forth all year. I just can't see a drop off in velocity. I just don't. I don't see a drop off in. Accuracy. I don't see father time tapping Tom Brady on the shoulder. We'll skip the thing is not a whole lot of drop. But I don't see him. There have been times that you watched also that you saw him unwilling to drive the football because pressure was coming. That's what I'm saying. What he's his arm. He's never is that just is that just a product of experience of self preservation where you just learn. I'm not gonna last if I try that I can get away with this. But I can't even try that. I don't I'm not even gonna wrist fate on that one. I'm not going to step into that pass rusher and get hit in the face like w stood on. All right. Sometimes you do but you have to pick your spots. How important is it? If he had had to pick a spot at Kansas City where Chris Jones had come free right in his face. And he had to stand in and throw it. I will bet you he would try that. Okay. But he did need to didn't have to. And I'm going to point out again. If you look at the playoffs the two playoff games each of these two quarterbacks played Brady. Getting rid of the ball in two point one eight seconds in the two playoff games breeze in his two games, two point five six seconds. And you say that's miniscule. It's not it's a lot of time that breezes holding the ball longer. So he's going to get hit more. And he got sacked four times in the two between going to the first option in holding the ball and go into the second. Right. Second option. Sometimes we'll get you hitting them out. I often will always get you free released. Okay. So to your point about longevity figuring out like to me, this disposition is unmastered. Well, it's just too hard to play. But Tom Brady has come the closest to mastering the position of quarterback. That's mentally as well. As physically we're he's figured out if I can get rid of the ball and two point one seconds. I can keep doing this for four more years, but that's hard to do because you have to make the choice very quickly. So your brain your so evolved, mentally. You're able to you're thinking faster than the defense can play you're thinking faster than they can rush you or they can cover. You somebody's going to be open. And he's finding the open point one second only golden to affect if you're able to throw the ball to your first option. Jillian Elleman comes up or you. Winging the ball to the running back out of the backfield. Okay. The second option if you have to go to the second option is not going to be Tecate. What he's choosing his option pre snap. He's just reading. He's figuring you out before you even know what you're doing. Exactly. And he's saying I know like on the gronk play in overtime to third third and ten conversion. He just says you're going to single it. Remember sprint split him out left? Right. Right. And he just said really you're going to single him. And I got him on an in breaking route you can't cover that. Because I know him I trust him there. And I know I can throw it where he can catch it. Let's see rare playing off. Okay. So what I'm saying is he said he he picked it before. I. Even know if that was the play call, it might have been called element, the primary might have been element. It could have been Philip door set or HOGAN on that play. You noted that into that once and that, okay? But I'm saying he's reading that pre snap. That's his choice. He just decided I'm gonna throw it to him. And I promised the ball's going to seconds to rob gronkowski. So he's picked the correct way. A lot of quarterbacks might not be able to read it and decide on it that quickly you see what? So that's why he's got longevity. But I'm also going to point out to you this year this football season this regular season. Tom Brady threw five hundred seventy times he's had eight seasons in which he threw fewer passes. So don't tell me he's he's just saying I'm going to hand it off now. Right. Okay. So they threw it five seventy and ran it four seventy eight pretty good balance. But still leaning to pass right in the postseason two games. They've thrown at ninety and run it eighty two pretty good balance. But still leaning to pass what is Sean McVay done in two playoff game. Games. Wait a second. He's rushed at seventy four times and thrown at sixty nine time. So they're they're reverse slightly. So they have run it. That's probably thanks to my Dallas Cowboys, especially in the first half where they said, let's just keep doing this. Right. But they have become a run oriented football team. So, but you can't tell me that Tom Brady is just handing it off now because he's not he's still throwing their lot. No, no, what the running game will allow you protection from the blitz because a lot of time when you play action if you know that you mentioned the other day Tom Brady has been a lot of his time under center, he did when you go unto if at least fifty percent he was on. You can fake it to the running band is the big difference. Between skip faking the hand off from under center. It is vacant when the guy that lays in it's a great way stalled the password. Yes, if it's right in your face, and you turn and and fake and if you're good with he's slick with the ball faker. So if you hold them for just one second where they have to wait just a second before they can spring. Right. It's because they were running the ball effectively. The the lion has to hold in there. They just can't get up the field because you remember when they were getting the feel they were getting hit withdraw hit with screens. So now, I got the hesitate just a bit the second level, you see those backer stepping up and now all of a sudden that's Julia Letterman coming in on an amber, right? Route before we're the linebackers should have been. So the running game is not necessarily mitt skipped. Sometimes it's meant to protect the quarterback. Because now I can fake it. Yeah. And I can still broke the passes without having that rush down breathing down my neck. Okay. So now to the deciding factor which will be off the field. What are you always tell me about? Why did you stop playing at some point? You just finally said, I just I just don't love this anymore. They want to go to meeting. I don't wanna do it anymore. I've had enough of this also think you get so battered your body gets better to the point where you just say, I just don't I don't love this. I'm ready to go on and do something else in my life. Well, I don't think either of these two guys are there, but they both have off the field responsibilities. That Tom seems to have been able to put in some juggling act perspective. Where remember they both got kids. Tom has three under the age of eleven and drew has three under the age of I'm sorry four or the eight. Age of ten. He's got three sons and the youngest is a daughter but four under the age of ten okay. What point does drew Brees? He loves to coach kids flag football team at what point does he finally say? I just I just wanna be with my kids the daughter could be playing sports. What if he just says I want to be with all of them? What if they're all doing whatever they're doing? Right. This very good point skipping this start with Tom Giselle has been very understanding. She has some point. Now, he she said that he made that. Okay. I'm gonna play this many years and I'm gonna but he's come to the conclusion she's come to the re resolution. She's resigned to the fact that you know, what if I drag Tommy away he's gonna resent it. He's having so much fun. He wants to continue the play. Let me live leave. Well, enough alone in when he's ready to come home. You'll come home. I'll believe the same thing that played for drew Brees. When you have because when you play when you play football and you quarterback and you play like these two gentlemen do. So much of your time is devoted to studying. It is ball mom has to be mom and dad, they get the kids up the kids ready. Take him to school go to practice Goto the game. They do all the things that when Tom studying and when Tom is at practice it when he's on the role playing game or on his way to play a game drew same thing. They do all the things that dad can't do. So for them to be able to do that for not one year for five years for ten years. Yeah. Might be twelve. Yeah. That takes a very understanding person us, and is it possible in another a lot of work. Where would you Zell? She might dig in at some point. You say I'm sorry. I don't wanna do this. Anyway. Right. Maybe they have helped. But even if you got skip, that's a big responsibility is a lot of responsibility. So that's how much help you have it still. Yeah. And to get the kids up in doing like, you know, the help they didn't help make these kids. So you helped make them I need you to help own some of this responsibility. But for these these women say, you know, what do what you love? I'm going to sit back. I'm going to be mom. I'm gonna be dead. I'm sure they've had this conversation that you have every single year. Okay. This is what I want. You sit down when you start, you know, graphing or you landing out how you wanna under this you sit down with your sale. I don't know drew. Drew's wife name. But he says now with her he's okay. This is what I'm thinking. I would like to do this this, and this what are you thinking? It would it be. Okay. I'm sure these are the conversation that they're having and you know, at some point in time, you're right. Somebody's gonna say. You know, what maybe I've been doing this thing for twelve years time, you'll come home and help. Yeah. And the like ultimatum or else, I might not be your when you get back. One of those is give the thing of everybody thinks in the thing that having a lot of friends that are retired. Like the wife wanted them to come home with the significant over the one in the moon. I'm home and everybody say man, I'll just wanna be home. I kid, but the best of big transition because you go from being home pretty much all day by yourself to be up under Tom or being drew or being David potato twelve hours a day you hold on. Wait a minute. You'll need to find something to do. Well, I have something to do. I was going to work everything day. You want me to come home? And now that I'm home you want me to go do some all I'll stay right here. I do upstate right here. So that's a lot. So something what did we see on the field at the end of the New England at Kansas City game. We saw Tom Brady acting like a little kid. We saw I'm diving. Like dive of all of his line by the biggest gay too. Graceful. Just like a crazy little is that not the essence of why he's playing football right now. Would he tell you? That's as much fun as he's ever had in his life. He would probably tell you this. Right. So then what happens they pull him over and CBS is going to interview him, and he's out of his mind and he accidentally drops an f-bomb live on CBS. You couldn't really hear it. But he said it, it's unbelievable. Right. And then what did he do then he gathered himself, and he turned to the camera? And he said I want to say hi to my wife. I love you and his family, but he started which is L. She obviously wasn't in Kansas City. But he wanted to make sure I thank her because she made this all possible knows that is behind the scenes, you do you. I have the easy job. We do. And what we looks give. We know what we're talking about. You have an idea what you wanna say. I have an idea. It's people behind the scenes Giselle have the legwork. I'm getting up early. Getting a kid ready to go getting them to school, picking them up helping them with homework, blah, blah, blah, Tom. Brady's bend five six thousand eight doing you know. Okay. Josh did you see what they did on this situation and this area to feel I seen a lot. They've been playing a lot of cover five, and if we motion element, they're not passing it off. So he's going to be able to get inside. You saw coach check diagram saying play when put him emotion all they did was flipped the formation and what they should have did the second time after the first time. Yeah. And then when the after the first time the second time, but they say, it's a huge undertaking to do all of this own your own. And remember drew Brees has not had great ends to his last two seasons. He's at extremely Lind's. Oh, the pain the Minnesota miracle and on your fine with but in New Orleans, they're not fine with what happened. I promise. You have the championship have the Super Bowl in MVP on his resume. Now. I guarantee you the feeling that he felt when he won that does not coincide with the pain that he's feeling after what happened son. I agree. What happened in Minnesota? Now. I agree winning never field as possible. He's going to sleep on it for a couple of weeks, and I just can't take this anymore. I don't know. No. Because you don't want to end on that. Now, you don't want your final game to end like that in his final gave me for you know, he threw a pick. He did he have last the last time drew ever do a pass fail. And he's already said I'm coming back. Exactly. When you go to the Super Bowl four times in the last five years. Tom Brady's case. That's why we keep talking about the guy in his age move from the best in the NFL to maybe the new best in the NBA. James harden now the best player on the planet after another huge night. You say maybe the other guy. No. No. Hey, guys, Jenny Taff tear. We all put off doing things we know we need to do. I mean, we know any to organize the garage and squeezing a workout. But something always gets in the way. At least it does for me funny. How home security can be like that. You know? It's a good idea. 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James harden and said before last night's game that he hadn't had a Madison Square Garden moment in his career. Well, that isn't the case anymore hardened continued his scoring tear with a career high sixty one points against the Knicks. Last night. Harden has now scored at least fifty points five times the season. And he's dropped at least thirty and twenty one straight games. Let's take a listen to what hard and had to say after his historic night. Keep going keep going. This is a small legacy estate mass along here. Why why returning to play basketball something I love doing some of that up at the time and effort? What I can't do, Shannon. How impressive is hearted. Very impressive. It was absolutely unbelievable anytime one person can outscore starting five for the opposing team. You did something very impressive skip. And it wasn't easy. He got sixty one points, all unassisted. Let us thinking he got sixty one point scale, not one assisted Basque. He's never going to be officiant because he goes shoot. Now, you you keep saying like stale gotta green light. And clay got a green light end up. I got like this. This is on all the time. It's always green mail five or twenty three five or twenty skip this unbelievable. He's the second player in history will like I said normally we just exclude from all you have to off the charts. It's like it's like from another age and time, right? Yes. Because he has twenty sees the second player to average thirty points over twenty one game. You know, he's still got a ways to go to coach wilt sixty five thirty one to sixty five. Forty five. Oh, but we'll still have a twenty five and thirty one St. of getting skip when you look at it. And like you said he had never had before the game. He had never had a signature movement. And when you talk about applause players having signature moment, everybody remembers Colby, sixty one point performance. Lebron almost had a fifty point triple double. They resented that. I'm not mistaking one of the assists and the game. It was later. Fifteen twenty of nine everyone remembers Michael Jordan, his return his double nickel and nineteen Eighty-four to Christmas day or adult Bernard king go for sixty did get this was unbelievable. But I'm surprised that James harden. This is legacy. Any meaningless regular season game. You say this is legacy. We're talking about James news like breaking breakdown. Tell you. That's not your legacy. Your legacy is going ten points a game fixed when the opposing teams best player, and you get beat by hundred men a playoff game at home your legacy, right? Not currently is the most turnovers in a playoff game in NBA history. I guess the Golden State Warriors, and you had a chance to win and you're dribble. The ball up your. That's your legacy bra not sixty one in the guard. Why are you thinking about your legacy right now? It's guilty. His performance was unbelievable. He shot another twenty five free throws again he made twenty two. Yeah. But. Now upset because he talked about his legacy on the game. Like this. This was very impressive. I mean, it get sixty one how five this is fifty point game this year skit he could school with ease. I mean, he has no we offensively. He has no weakness in his game because he can shoot three. Yeah. He can drive. He can shoot the mid range game. He goes to the bucket. You follow me put him on the line the eighty five percent free throw shooter. So he's going to cash those in offensively. He's fun to mentally sound. He has no weakness. But the only thing that ticked me off about when you say this legacy while you talking about legs in a game against the Knicks. The Knicks understand the where you play the game Madison Square Garden heightens it because it is the mecca, you know. We'll we'll score will score seventy three gonna talk about win. Let's give was impressive. You have to be impressed by this. Yeah. He was seventeen of thirty eight efficiency. James harden, didn't go together. But if you want all at what did you see what he just did? James hart. Yes, he has now set his bar so high. I can't be that impressed by what he did lowly New York last night shooting five for twenty from three because if you make five more of those times three is fifteen that's that's seventy six points. Now, you're getting in Kobe won territory. And now, I'm getting really impressed. If that's against the right hand, he's coming. Okay. But I gotta make a quick point about legacy. Do you realize that Knicks fans as much respect as I have for them because they got a lot of a list celebrities in that crowd every night. Do you know that they are complicit in the demise of this franchise over low these many years since that one championship they won way back in the seventies. Seventy three seventy three do you realize they're so they're part and parcel of the problem here because they tend to start cheering the opposing star when he gets hot because they want record set in their mecca. This is their building. So they don't have much to cheer for for the home team and last night in the fourth quarter. They began to cheer for James hard. Yeah. They want. That's outbound respect us down a balance. But that's all they've had. But they're they're complicit in the demise. Because they want to see Koby score sixty one they want LeBron to score whatever he scored double nickels. Right. They love this. And they will cheer you. If you do that in their building because that's legacy. What he was talking about Steffes done it. Yeah. Mike levin. Three fifty four and they're going bonkers going bonkers. So all the stars come to this building thinking. Oh tonight. I really got it raised my level. Right. I gotta shoot more. Gotta get a little more selfish because these people come to see me. They don't come to see the Knicks. They want me to put on a show for them. And by golly, I'm gonna do it in James win in their last night to put on a show. Now, he shot at thirty eight times the other four Houston. Starters shot at a grand total of thirty eight times. So he took thirty eight and the other four to thirty the same number shot. So it's a whole lot of shots to your green light point. And it's twenty three point shots in its kind of ugly to make five of twenty. So the game was a little bit hard to watch. But what I still love the most about James harden is it's hard to make that many free throws. It's just hard right concentration. I mean time after time after time twenty two of twenty five and he's now at eighty six percent for the year, and he's shooting by far the most temps, and you gotta give him that. Because that's hard to do. And they got fifteen rebounds. He's not a big you room. When shack had his sixty points. He had a bunch of REBA. But shack is a big guy. Six five. Yeah. Any pulling out, fifteen rebounds. Like last night. I watched mile mo-modern Vanderbilt against the number one ranked team in the nation, Tennessee at Vanderbilt and it went to overtime, but that kid for Tennessee's the reigning SEC player of the year grant Williams. May twenty. He's a loaded, but he made twenty th he's a big strong kid. He made twenty three of twenty three free. That's that's phenomenal. Believable. The any made to clutch wins at the end. So you'd think he'd just wear out mentally just like James, you think at some point you just lose a little concentration at some point. And speaking of lost concentration. This would not have been much of a game, except for PJ Tucker's glitch out, I don't know his brain freeze. Did you check this out if we could see this? There's made free throw by trigger an inbounds by Erik Gordon. And I don't know what PJ's doing he just lose it. Hey, just goes flank patriot. It's your ball. It's your ball invests don't touch it. Don't touch it. Oh, you want von lead to pick it up and lay it in. And all of a sudden now it's down to a one point game. Wow. What are you doing? What I don't know what he's doing on that JR. Well, I do. Jaw? He somehow got disoriented like mixed up about what was going on. I don't know because it's kind of like a hand off imbalanced fast. He just basically drops it at your feet s just just pick it up and poor. Erik Gordon gets charged with a turnover for like the simplest pass. He's ever made in his life hearing. Right. I don't know what he's doing. But without this. It's not much of a game. You should pay. Erik gordon. Yeah. I was gonna say what are you doing? What are you doing all of a sudden they're in a little bit of trouble off that play? But then who hit the biggest shot of the game? Yes. Who not James harden? Aaron Gordon he just bombed at three and bought just like the late. Did he bombed one man? He is there. I'm not gonna say he's closer. But he's there clutch shot closer, you might he's going to take the last big shot and that brings me back to James heart. This is driving me crazy. This drove me crazy last night with the Knicks. At what point is some rival coach going to say, you know, what just tonight I'm going to try this. I'm gonna blitz him every time he has the ball. I'm sending to soon as he dribbles to court. He's going to face two of my defenders. And if somebody scores sixty one on of Eric Gordon score sixty one good. I'll take it. Because one time James didn't beat me tonight. Right. Appeaser going. I'm coming up PJ talk. If PJ took give already that's with that, you can do the old with they call triangle. And yeah, so you run I promise you James harden can't score sixty one points. If you run to defenders at him. You can't do it. Because there's nowhere to go. You can't dribble. You can't go anywhere. He would have to give up the basketball. In fact, if he's dribbling the ball up and you have to on him at half court. I'm pretty sure he's going to have to pick up his dribble, right as you're just gonna just wall him off boxing, and he's gonna get stuck. He's going to have to pass the basketball. Well, they didn't do it one time last night. So to your green light point he's just solo on somebody. We'll he's guard -able we know that and plus get how many times did he get shooting threes. Okay. We'll just the other thing. I would do. This would be my defense. I would just dare I would just say I'm going to stand back here five feet, and you can do all your step Bax that you want to just shoot it. Yes. You got the three if you make out of twenty congratulations. You win. If you make five out of twenty I got a shot here. Because I because I mean, they hit the three. Yeah. Getting four point don't Fallon and don't let him drive it at all. Don't let him get to the free throw line because not only did he make us free. Throws. He shot twenty five free throws last night almost governor their own team. Okay. One of auto care what anybody says one guy should not shoot as many free throws as the opposing team. That happened. A lot curb nightly basis they shot thirty an entire team. James harden, shot twenty five okay? So over the twenty game streak in which he's gone thirty. Plus, he's averaging forty three points the game over his last twenty that. That's that's that's unheard of in this this day and age right where he three a game. Well, that's to my point. Why why would you keep allowing this? And by the way, they've been really good and he's been down three. And now he's down cappella, and he hadn't had Eric Gordon all the way. Well, they're fifteen and six over their last twenty one games. So they're doing okay. And they get remember they lost the game by two which is going fifty eight. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Lakers. Adam Dallas, our unite. Yeah. Legs you'll beat them. Should it beat them? Call Kouzmin disappeared. But that's okay. He's a kid. I mean, I mean what I'm watching him. And I find myself like absolutely seeing Kobe get hot like this, even though Jordan all joined games on TV. But you watched him and when he average thirty seven point one four entire season. And you like, wow. But in the last I mean since Kobe oh five or six nothing. Nobody's anything like this. Yeah. Nobody's doing anything. Like that. I don't know why. But I watch Kobe's game. I watch Michael's game. And I watched LeBron's game at the garden, and they seemed more heightened to me, it just seemed more impressive somehow, maybe because it was new maybe because he's now maybe he's so good that he's making me numb to his performance. Right. But he'll get seventy oh, here's point before two seasons. How about eighty one? He might. Could he get one hundred no? What he shoot free throws before. He will have a game which you forty free throw attempts. You watch it. I don't know the breakdown on Wilson hundred point nine Hershey Pennsylvania against the Knicks. What he you shot fifty free throws. You really good was at fifth nine thirty to twenty thirty two. How many lanes did he have just lay ins, right? I try to stall about they tried to stall him out and tried to hold the ball to they wanted to get it. But you said over the last twenty one game how many forty three we'll average forty four four fifty four season. Today, even think about it. Right. It's a whole different level. He was a seven one high jumper like he's already seven one. And he can just any ran any ran eighty run eighty ran to spring. This is soak another we talk about all we got exclude him and go back to Kobe. Go back to the Jordan Miljan bane of somebody though the great scores because you got to remove him in order to have fair compensation now. Back to Jerry Jones. He became the latest person to speak out against expanding instant replay focused on this key play in the AFC championship game Juliet Allman muffed punt, but the rest reviewed the play and said never touch the ball. So the patriots possession yesterday. Jerry said the call never should have been overturned. Take a listen, you can never get the call on the punt whether touched it, you can never get it. Right. Coz it was called on field touch. And then later was you couldn't see an angle that he definitely touched him. While the rule is that you're supposed to go with call on the field. If you can't see an angle that he didn't touch. I don't know if you can get them everything while, Shannon, Jerry point. I Jay had the valley point. I agree with you one thousand percent year on that. Percent. You can't get them all rights. They blew it. Okay. For the seventeen thousand times the official in the saints Rams game. He blew the call. It was PI in. If you didn't call PI, you should've call helmet to helmet, you should you get one of them and you off the hook. Okay that happened. But in this situation, it's give even if you can't find a mangle look at union element when their ball skills. He doesn't move gathered touches the football. He goes Kremlin. Get when a guy on the ball. He's doing everything he can to get up off the ground and try to get he's I agree doing doing didn't take us. No. And he's also shrugging like what do you do which I do football? Yeah. What would he's done that? I'm not about to take a shot because normally give you guys are coming diving in. They're gonna try to get the ball animal. Steph now, yelling get no shadow me. He never moves. But this what you see what you do is give he tried to share it. Oh, Mr. crown you don't try to say about the call the feel you know, if you go into call that's been called on the field. If there's not an angle well mangled devoted touched this on. It just didn't look we'll get it air skill. But I've seen so many people man, I'm just tired of the patriot going to the Super Bowl. I like, I know but anybody calls you did. That's what he called me in the street. People actually call me this whole foods that when they call they called me. Which one are you on? Shelvin today. I'm Shannon today. You know, but. But. You know, what this is about the two most powerful owners in football. There's no question, you know, who they are Mr Robert Kraft and one Jerry Jones now you, and I both know I don't care at what level there's always competition. Now, Mr. crown is great. He does things. I just sit back. I know what I know what I don't know how to best people by possibly can't let them do what they do. Since the Dallas Cowboys has gone to an NFC championship game one, Mr. Bob Kraft. The New England Patriots have gone to ten soup. Abo- Taylor them things. Betas now, Mr. cramp has an opportunity to do something a week from Sunday is the become numbers. Getting number six move into a tie with the Pittsburgh Steelers. How many does the Dallas Cowboys helps? So right now, pretty crafty. Jan they had two of them before you even thought about the part of the Dallas Cowboys. So right now, it's still five or three, but I'm gonna give your engine half five my organization how five, but I'm by the break this time. Oh, Janet trying to those shave. You'll notice you'll noted that he gonna talk about. They made a call on the field. And I don't know if there's enough Emily yet. It was enough every day. You don't have mandatory that ball. You also know if he had. Had to call gone until the chiefs favor. A good chance. They win that ballgame. There's a chance. Yeah. It was eight minutes and forty seven seconds left. I'm still not betting against number twelve on the patriots. But still to your point patriots were head seventeen to fourteen at that moment. And all the sudden Kansas City would had the ball at the patriot twenty eight because you can't advance some of it's not a touchdown. It's just your ball to twenty eight. And instead it was the patriots ball going the other way up seventeen to fourteen but still Mahomes and company they still took the lead twice to that. Right. There's only three or four owners that won't non call review -able in one of those mis Benson because the motion is wrong right now. Her teen got job lack of a better word. That's what happens if they got. Hey, it missed a call. And it would it would have been. So so great. The owner Thomas Benson. He passed. Away. And basically six months, I think eight months after he passes goes to the Super Bowl that would have been great story. But once you, and I believe get once a month to month pass, she'll realize like, you know, what out of bus stations. I said some things I questioned the integrity, and there's no integrity at stake. Here the guide, Mr. call, you know, what guys? Hey, Liz, leave it as is. Okay. Let me go back to Jerry's points of contention. First of all, you could see an angle show to me. I don't know there are about eight angles on the play. Which is why love our technology today because you can get a pretty good vertical. Three D view of what's going on. I know it's in two dimensional. But if you see enough angles, you can look at it and say, wait a second the thumbs did not touch. Now. Do I fall Julian element for even getting in harm's way? I do because that ball was hot bouncing on ground. That's the one you better get away from because as you. Well know that ball is oblong in it hits funny on different angle this kicking ball. That's not one of the ball. The patriots. They like to have all roughed up and scuffed up. Look Shannon that ball leaving. And how cold it is. So it's hard and slick, and he put his hands and arms way. But the thumbs did not touch the football. There's one definitive angle where you can clearly see thumbs did not touch. So to to preserve the integrity of the game. They had the guts to overturn that. Right. That's hard. Because again, if you're not completely clear on it. You gotta stay to Jerry's point. You stay with the call on the field now point number number two. You did make a good point that I had not thought of against Mr. craft Jones versus craft you could there could be something operating there. But there's one constant theme from Jerry Jones in it dates back to the days that I spent around Jerry doing my three cowboy books he was dug in on this from the start poor officiating. Bad calls are part of the game of football. I think you believe that to assert that it's always been part of the fabric of this great game of football. It's what Jerry is always referred to as human frailty. Referees are human they're going to blow. Call in Jerry's realm. They even out over time, you're gonna. To get burned. And then you're going to get breaks. Right. So he's got his share breaks. I'm sure he thought he got burned near the into half-time against the Rams and the playoff game. When Lyle Collins wrapped up Dak Prescott in some L. The ref gut confused and thought that's a sack. No, it's not a sack your own guy. Throwing you out of the pocket and he whistled deck down at that point. Right. He blew the play dead. That would be a review -able. Okay. Able to challenge. Right. Okay. But again, I was just talking about the last two this is just at the end of the first half. Right. So they were in field goal range, minus eight out of two minutes. Two minutes of the half. Yeah. But I was just you just want used at the game. So we can preserve a some semblance of football regulation. Yes. I'm good up until the last two minutes. And then when when the plays are virtually game deciding then I wanted the -bility look at them. But in this case. He's talking about human frailty. And this is what drives me the craziest about my man. Jerry Jones in the end, he prefers marketing over winning in the end if you put him on a lie detector, you would find out in Jerry Jones world, he was a natural born salesman. His father was a great salesman and Jerry is his father, and he is proudest of his salesmanship ability. He great he is the best anti Barnum. He is Pt Barnum and he wants to put Marquis. That's why he loved Tony Romo because Tony Romo with throw five touchdown passes. What was it five hundred six yards Denver? And at the last second. He's going to throw it to Denver, and you're gonna lose on a walk off last-second chip talking about it. You're going to be talking about it. And I'm still talking about it. Because it's still drives me crazy. Tony Romo was made for Jerry Jones because he was box office. Yes. He he might come up small when you most needed him. To be big. But didn't matter because he kept you on the edge of your secret because Tony Romo could wheel and deal. He gets wheel out of the pocket and create plays. Extend plays throwing jams Giral. It was sincere way way more sensational than than back plays. So in this case, he's marketing his game. He saying why did we overturn that? Because what would have been better is if everybody's buzzing about did they get it right or non because he would prefer the controversy swirling. That's why I'm sure he loves what happened at the end of the New Orleans game because he believes that's good for football. I think it's terrible for the game of football. I think it's a black Mark. I think it's a. Disgraceful. What happened at the end of the game. We disagree on it. But I just think the wrong team went to the Super Bowl. And that's just wrong. You gotta fix that. But he says don't fix it. Because skip a jenner's talking about it. Right. Yep. Okay. And the thing is I agree with you that he that he values marketing and dollars over winning because over the last twenty years he got that yacht because marketing he did not because a winning. They haven't even been to an NFC title game. They haven't gone to but stale they're the most profitable franchise that look as I said before Mr. craft purchase this team the patriots in nineteen ninety four the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. So therefore they had to go to an NC title game in ninety five in ten ten Super Bowl appearances for the patriots says the Cowboys has last won the Super Bowl. Let thinking it has how how. How the Cowboys more valuable and America's TV the patriots. I thought we thought the everybody America love the winter. We love a winner. You know, why controversial always something with the Cowboys? It's never anything with Brady and Bill check until the ESPN story of a year ago. We got skit we have spy gate, we had those are negative. But but with Jerry we wait every week during the regular season for his Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, his radio show because you know, and I know Jerry's going to say something that you say what in at the end of Tony Romo. What was the big remark that he made my biggest regret as owner of the Dallas Cowboys is I couldn't win a Super Bowl with Tony Romo because that would be cake and eat it too. Right. You'd have Tony Romo winning a Super Bowl. Finally, right. Yes. That was Jerry's ultimate dream, and it's not gonna work because Tony Romo. Wasn't capable but you've got to win. He's gotta wear skip. He he wants to win so desperately to get out from under that he he went along for the ride with Jimmy. He wants to do that. So he can do it with Daqing these cast of characters because everybody's there because Jerry, they are we can have the argument will Jerry has something to do with it. But everybody knew that Jimmy because Jimmy came from the college. So he knew about Emmett Smith he knew about dairy was he did know about all these these players because guess what not only did he coach give he recruited half of them. So he knows who is going to who's going to pick with Jimmy Johnson. Jerry did go get Charles and he did signed Dion. Yes. Which chain tilted the feel back else's. Yes. Right. Yes. So I give him some credit. But obviously Jimmy deserved the lions. Yes. So he wants to do it with this. But omits the crowd keep to price it back. Now, you know, heat Sunday. You see banging on the window like a kid at zoo. He's bank. You're happy. What you do skill. Is that any business? You know, what you know? But what you don't know you hire people Mr. Kraft's trying to didn't. They what you think about this deepened. Josh make all collected ring. They call them to ring collect. That's correct. And how much credit does Mr. craft want? No, non going and he had to sit down and off-season with Brady and Bill check and say, okay, just calm down kiss data. And he says you get fifty percent credit. You get fifty percent, and we're gonna win and how the one by him our grading guys. Keep us pretty soon. He's gonna be over. Workout grab with Crowley of crap. Okay. Let's hope is was. I liked you. You let you likes you from this side of the table or not for sale. Passaic controver with calls to the same. To move on Sundays loss. We'll discuss. The saints missed out on a trip to sue rule and this past interference call late in the game was a big reason why the saints are apparently still salty about the call because yesterday Thomas posted this image with the Super Bowl fifty three logo change to spell out the word, Shannon alike. It love it hate it. Let it go. All you doing if pro-longed the healing process. Give Bayless what he should have done is posted the same pitcher H o M E home because that's exactly where you are. And that's what you're gonna be. They're not gonna replay this game. I don't care. How many petitions that the local congressman or all or whatever you wanna call them? They're not going to replay this game. Not the last one forty eight not to laugh to ten minutes. No part of this game will ever ever be replayed. I give the legitim-. Arguments. Because like I say I said it in real time. I cannot believe I'd say that was the referee led a non call go. It was horrible. It was an egregious you if you don't get the PI, you get it with helmet-to-helmet didn't happen. The officials are human. How could you miss the same way? They miss it in the first quarter. They missing the third quarter. They miss it in the second quarter. They're human let it go. You know? This reminds me of skip we talked about this last year, but it was a different outcome. The eagles won. But all any was talking about what all the page. They don't have. No fun this Bill Bill to he disrespected Dougie. Well, this won't let go you one. Okay. Let it go. You lows what can change ninety catch? Beggar he's got new bowl logo D E. Cut back. Come homes clever. Yeah. Roman if I'm the Rams, I come I come up with a hashtag. Yes. Vote h o m e saints logo. Yeah. That's what he home. We get ready. Why y'all talking about us? Oh, tiger not for hundred CJ Dickerson. Gary guy could do hashtag counterfeit or how. Hashtag fraudulent. Or cowboy could do have tag never. Yeah. Well, you can't do never. You can't do never win five. Every never again, you could do tag not for a while. Long. Not for a minute. Not for a minute. More minutes. So all Michael Thomas is doing is pouring salt in your wound. Yeah, it's hard for you to keep defending your position win the world is just outraged fact. Okay. So he is clearly preaching to a huge choir. That is in full throat with outrage to to this moment over this. Call real body is let it go. Just yet. What are we to Thursday? And it feels like it's going to go on for the rest of this week before it dies down. Right, shannon. Sharpe. Even you would agree. It was the all-time robbery as far as that moment. Goes. It was the worst. No Bologne call in in sports to Olympics of basketball. Okay. You I, you know, I I watched it live via that was more. Agreed. You scare you know it. Okay. But now you're doing Russia versus the United States. You got international politics, Cold War. And the Cold War. With a lot of stuff. You're not being governed by the National Football League. Right. When you bring the integrity the official into question. I don't know where his loyalties lie. But I I would like to think I know where the loyalties lie of the National Football League referees. I would think they're just trying to get it. Right. I would think that they're still paid a lot of money. Even though they're not full-time to make calls that are obvious. Yes. Blatant grievous in that was as a grievous as it gets. It's still hard for me to process how the side judge back judge somebody in the vicinity somebody just doesn't say, well, if you're not gonna throw it all throw it because that's outright. I'm throwing this flag. Right. But they all swallowed their proverbial whistle in play. Yeah. And they all looked at each other like. I'm not going to do. And usually that is the flag. You do throw because you're swept up in the emotion of the moment of the home team. What's arguable? I know the outdoor crowd would be Seattle's on decibels Linden the decibels not the highest in that dome. Not on your dome. Yes. So wouldn't you think the refs would be swept up in that moment? But they went the other way and they all just let their flag sitting there pocket of if he throw the skill. And everybody's gonna say man, I can't believe he threw it in that moment. What everybody go say. But was it peac with a helmet to helmet? So he has an out if he throws the flag. He has an out because everybody will say, yeah. But it was passed an fears. Yes, it was held to him. He doesn't throw it and people like what bra how could you not see that? Okay. So just on my small level. I'm going to show you the magnitude of this the reaction to this play soon after it. I tweeted all caps all time robbery. And I look. I don't read my responses my at, but I look at my analytics just to see what people reacted to is. It helps us think what we want to do on the show what are people hottest for us to talk about. So I look back in all at this one. It shattered anything I've ever gotten off a cowboy game or a Brady game or a LeBron James game. It's three point three million impressions. And I'm not even sure what all the impressions define impressions for me. If I do in the one million that's a whole lot. I'm sure my record might be two ish somewhere around to this went to three point three because everybody concurred there was no gray area. Once the once the whole world was into all time robbery. So you can't condemn Michael Thomas for he's just driving the bandwagon, man. And that was a clever way to drive it. And I'm with you at some point you have to you don't you don't need to let it go. You just need to. Verse it to let's be fueled by this. Let's because nobody's going to say, you're reaching. Nobody's going to be saying you're making a lousy excuse or everybody's with you that you deserve to do L E. I heard they got what you say. This that official gotta start in Hollywood walk of fame. Really don't hurt. Maybe. You go people actually believe that Tom girly posted a photo shop of him chain exchange in jerseys relevant if somebody tiger yet, you hack hack Todd re Twee I think you should tweet it again. Okay. Same way. All right. See if it beats that number. I'll bet it would be more out ring. So it's it was in the moment of the moment. Like it was right? It was it was an egregious act. But at the end of the day would that guy not human? Yeah. Human frailties. Jerry Jones says knowing was how about all the seven on the crew, I think all seven were were painfully human right would only guy that really couldn't make that call was the referee because that's not he came make a call way down the field will I think he could if he wanted to know he can't well, I mean is within the confines of the rigging on the and everybody way, wait a minute. How you how you have the referee throwing a pass in a fierce leg from thirty yards away. This is the one I wanted them to huddle on. Although we did you see that the NFL the NFL told him to get together. And they through the flag. Okay. Well, I'm doing when the cowboy when they pick the flag up you remember that scale pales against Detroit Lions, Anthony Hitchens. Yeah. What are you doing chief? Yeah. Flag. They pick it up toward. There was no pass that affairs. It was pass interference. I give you that. And by the way, that was the one day. Tony Romo was clutch through it to Jason wit and win the game way to go. Tony. Yeah. Next week. No catch by there's no catch that was a collect stole by Tony Romo. But it's just sorta romo's. That's his fate. Is it always seems to go the way of letting go I know pain ninety six well, you don't know any Pat gray playing really Super Bowl all three of them. But we had to go to pain to get there, Margaret. Yes. Losing the buffalo? Tin seven. I love Mark, Brunell. He's a good guy. But he had good. Meet us at Denver. That's pain. But we keep talking about it still pay by watching the game. It was it like the first round game or the divisional divisional game ad-din the with everybody beat the brakes off beat the brakes off of a New England ended up going to sue both anyone. No, no part of us. It's been a New England was they once we got the way they went to Super Bowl. Yeah. I was gonna say they got a couple of times. Lately. How did how exactly did Bill Belichick and the patriots shocked that chiefs on Sunday? Good thing. We've got Eric, man. Who knows this team better than anyone break? Well, we are just over a week away from the Super Bowl and the patriots are currently favored over the Rams. That's a contrast from last week when New England wasn't underdog on the road against the chiefs. But the patriots dominated time of possession home scoreless in the first half. And Tom Brady was you know, good old Tom Brady joined episode NFL analyst, Eric men genie. It is good to have you back. No, actually when we're talking about the patriots. Yeah. We're the psyche. Robin eerie. We're gonna talk serious football. He's not just going to say how much h Tom Brady. Down. Now exactly the patriots pull it off against the chiefs. The good news is I got rid of Bob Sutton. Right. He was the big problem there and to me, that's that's ridiculous. You've got this high powered offense that gets shut out at home, and it's Bob Sutton, Bob Sutton, while the D Ford lineup offsides for the third interception of the game. I mean, if you flip it are you going gonna fire Brian Florez because the patriots gave up thirty one points and twelve minutes and second half or field goal. Thirty two seconds left in regulation to me. The the fact that Patrick Mahomes and offense of Li they couldn't recognize some of the things that New England was doing early is the difference in the game. And the biggest thing was JC Jackson, who's a rookie free agent from Maryland who's five ten who in college had nine pass interference penalties. And to hold holding calls in his final two years. He's is slated man-to-man on Travis Kelsey and Kelsey barely gets the ball. Now. They finally figured that out in the second half. When you look through it JC Jackson shows up time and time again because they're were able to exploit that match up. The other thing is the way he had three penalties in the second half penalty. Yeah. Yeah. And but but that all was missing the first half and part of that is inexperienced part of that is. As a staffing able to say, okay. They're taking away. Tyreek hill, the double high low double. And why did anyway not expect that is that a shocking maneuver? No, no. That's not a shocking new, and you can do things for double team. You can motion a guy running over route routes too hard on the one Bali caught. He drove inside. He forced the save inside and broke through the garner. And they hit a big place. So you can take those things too. And then you've got Patrick Mahomes who what's one of the best things. He does the plays. That are unscripted getting out of pocket. What was New England going to do? They were going to keep them in the pocket. It did link there. They were gonna keep them in the pockets. So move the pocket bootlegs dashes things like that. And then figure out that the Russ game the tackle said so d- for Kansas City, the ends up the field break underneath tackles wraparound. So you've got pressure you keep in the pocket. Like, so I know everybody wants to have a reason they law, so Bob Sutton. He's he's the sacrificial lamb. He's the one we're going to roll out and say, okay, if we get the defense fix everything will be fine. Fine. But to me, it's so much more than that. So the scheme is to keep Mahomes in the pocket and many times straight up the gut was wide open because they would they would loop everybody the ends and even the tackles might stunt loop. But it would they would dare him just to take off the middle which he's not prone to do. He doesn't seem to like that. No, he he wants to work. So they had figured that part out in once you late. He got outside one time. And I don't think it was called where he threw it to the backup running back. It was it was the first play of the overtime where it gets outside of the pocket. It's only one yards. It gets drive going. Yeah. Yeah. Not the over the overtime. The final drive of finding the feet through it to Spencer where backup running right? Yeah. Okay. So go ahead. So are you faulting? Andy Reid then on play calling. Do you think that that the patriots stayed one step ahead of Andy that he wasn't flexible enough to help his young quarterback figure it out on the fly faster? Well, here's what I'm saying is it's a group effort, and I have a real problem with when one person gets sacrificed for a group effort when you have the envy, suppose it MVP the league this unstoppable. Offense who get shut out at home. When you've got Travis Kelsey one on one against a rookie free agent undersized corner with a history of pass interference calls. A reason wasn't drafted. And he was a hot recruit for Florida early on. Then he had a incident Florida wound up going to riverside community college college and then to Maryland, but he started for two years at Maryland. And so you'd think well he's back on track. And yet nobody took him until Bill signed him as a free agent. And to be able to see that. And that being said you've gotta give Patrick Mahomes a little bit of leeway because he hasn't seen these things. And this is this is an issue with young quarterbacks. And it's going to be a little bit of an issue with Jared Goff. Guys haven't seen. It were Tom Brady. He walks up the line of scrimmage, if you don't disguise. He knows exactly what you're. You have a lot of in couple of five which is twenty two may have been single how safety and Tom Brady won't recognize. I promise you if you line up that in a stationary defense. You are going to get beat and you're going to get beat badly question. What if you can't stop the run, and you don't rewrite the receive with what would happen? Yeah. That's an issue to look we always talk about the new NFL the new NFL. What did New England? Do. They got in twenty one personnel. Two bags one tight end. And the first play the game is about as classic a football play as you can get ace ice down block to the backside linebacker straight ahead, no fare dodging, and it was that old school fall back with the fullback evening up and power. Yeah. Sorry powered you gotta be able to handle those plates to. Okay. So really for Kansas City had the best pass rushing vote. They tied for the most sacks and pro football. And they got none. Because of what? Well, part of that is a combination of the way that the us quarter o- Patterson the way that they ran the ball in that traditional sense early. So they run it run it run it anytime you do that that slows down pass rushers. Now, they've got to honor the on. I they can't tee off any bring a guy like quarter. Oh, who's more of a gadget guy and they mix in screens? They mix in misdirection things like that that slows down pass rushers. You've got the mixture of the back quick out. You know back out of the backfield quickly. So you're constantly putting the pass rushers on their heels as opposed to letting them t- off and rush the passer, they kept it in thirty manageable. It was thirty one thirty two thirty three. So now, you still have the element of the run or the past. What was? I think this was a coma nation. We might say he was five for this game. But he was five for the previous four games losses. Also because in those four losses they lost five times this year including the playoffs. The offense scored thirty six points a game. The defense is giving up forty and don't forget the previous year's playoff game which three at half. And they blew it. Okay. Let's let's put that aside out what coach Belichick says you're two best players because tyreek hill in Thursday night game two years ago. Go simple book forty three and one touchdown. He goes this year on Sunday night sample, but forty eight and three touchdown coach Bela checks. Let me tell you what I'm going to do. Let me tell you what I'm not going to do. I'm not gonna let tyreek here, and I'm not gonna let traffic Kelsey beat me. Now, though, he was daring. He was ready transit. He wasn't gonna let Patrick Mahomes out of the pocket. Broken play. He threw the ball over your hair. But my problem is emailed. You know this in. Third and ten three straight times. I'm going to double grump, I'm going to double element. If Tom Brady scanned in Philip door, set can beat me or Chris Volgin can beat me. I can live with that. Yeah. But I'm not gonna let guys that. I know Brady have the greatest report with I'm not gonna let those guys beat me. But in his defense, you saw what they did with them. They mostly down. They create problems with double teams. They create issues with coverage with leverage, and it's constantly. And that's that's we look at a guy like tyreek hill whose doubled high low. Now, you've got to create problems with with that type of leverage and say what you want about what happened defensively how about the patriots giving up thirty one point. They were they can't sit at the ball twelve minutes in the second half and scored thirty one points. So those with turnover what's that one of those with turnover, but it Kansas City also created two turnovers, and they would have had eight third turnover. If guidelines out of the back. View on side is that anything to do with scheme or no philosophy. Okay. Just remember the previous four times bell check had met. Andy Reid on the football field. Andy Reid had had his weight all four times three times. He scored forty plus points obviously in the regular season week six game. He scored thirty one in the second half. Did Andy Reid at Foxboro on bell checks defense. And it is bills O'Brien floors coordinator. But builds hey, overseeing the defense and then in the playoff game that they won twenty seven to twenty at Foxboro against Alex Smith, if you look at the numbers Kansas City just dominated the stats but couldn't cash in the red zone. So they were having their way with this defense. And even though it took a while to your point. They started having their way in the second half. They just didn't have the ball enough. They had the ball three minutes of the fourth quarter and scored twenty four points. That's outrageously bad defense to me and to your. Final point was they drove it and tied the game and Senate into overtime. So they couldn't stop Patrick Mahomes in the second half. They fooled him and Andy Reid in the first half long enough. The only had the ball nine minutes of the first avenue twenty one to nine and time of possession. But in the end it was incumbent upon Brady in the offense just to win the game of keep away or they're gonna lose the football game because Kansas City is to explosive for this defense. It's just not that good. And again, they tricked them a little bit. They had a couple of nice shocking stops early shot him out in the first half. But then when when you hold the ball for forty four minutes to twenty one minutes, that's the only way to level the playing field in Kansas City against Patrick Mahomes because they started to figure it out JC Jackson switched off and he was covering other. He's on Sammy Watkins when he got the penalties. Right. And that's fair. That's fair. But there was a whole first half a football. And the fact that it takes you a have a football to figure it out to me than to shift. The only one side of the ball and say, okay, it's your fault. It's you're not looking at it in the entire context because the whole game matters. Now, we often discount things that happen early. Whether it's penalties in the gay those things are glossed over, but they're significant and you can look at those planes say this had just as much of an impact as a play that happened later in the game. Bottom line. Have you ever seen Tom Brady any better than he was Sunday at Kansas City? Oh, yeah. When they came back and beat Atlanta and the Super Bowl, I thought he was pretty good there. Pretty good on. Yeah. I mean, three straight third and ends. That's. Man, you know, you've only been in the middle of the field. So you can't let the guy get into the van cover one two three four five whatever coverage you want. If Tom knows what you're in. You got. No, but faced the Rams better figure out how to disguise the coverages. He is going to eat them. I'm not as audible in cover one in the middle of the field twenty five. I mean, cover five to Tuti safety may and free. You let the guy go scot-free to the middle field. Yeah. I mean, they most he got he got what would be trying to do in the first one full of messed it up because it looked like we came in motion. They were gonna they were gonna like he comes in motion. I got it because of Alrighty inside. And you're exactly right. And that's the problem with stacks and bunches and those things is crates communication with defensive backs, and you know. Hands off for the city had every right to run Saxon bunches to all right, Eric so. On that one. Thanks for being here. We have some juicy details. Hugh Jackson's firing Cleveland, you're. I want to know. Wicker sham wrote in article about the dysfunction in the Cleveland Browns organization among the juicy details. He writes about the moment when Hugh Jackson was fired in late October rounds motor to me has them and GM John Dorsey walked into Hughes office told him he was being let go Hugh asked. Why and Dorsey said the team quit on him. Hugh responded by saying quote, get the f out of my office. Oh, which was about not to be as office. Yeah. I was going to say in that moment had the control. I didn't even say anything to all right, Shannon. What did you learn from that moment in this article about this organization a love of skip is been reported? And we kind of knew there was a lot of dysfunctionality going on in Cleveland. But I don't think we knew it to be to this magnets true. It was reported that John Dorsey said, what are the reasons that they were firing who that after eight games team quit on it. But in for those eight games going to overtime that tells me the team playing their asses off Hugh Jackson where they liked him or not. I just feel that Jimmy has didn't know enough about football wanted to know about football and just inserted himself in instances, which he had no knowledge of. But that's what happens when I owned a team. I can come down and say, and do whatever I won't even though it might not be the most soundproof way to do things give it was reported that. That we've heard this before that Johnny Manziel texted Darryl Loggins who happen to be the quarterback coach at the time. He shows the text message to Jimmy has little Jimmy has against everybody in the draft room says I won't Johnny. They drafted Chinaman's sale. If also reported that Jimmy has limb didn't like teddy Bridgewater because of the handshake that he gave him at the end of dinner. That's true. Wow. Like he hired. All these people says, okay, we got a plan. I plan to three years. I know terrible. We some trash we bought the team. I know we're getting in for this is your role. Okay. How lo- unique Boone? Gotcha good. This your, oh, how long they Gotcha. F a year. Go coach is gone, general managers go everybody's gone. So he's clearly not willing to see this thing through because the I think maybe become look he came from the business background is dead with very prominent in the trucking business in Tennessee and the trucking business. Everybody was busy. No all businesses are not run the same skill. You can't put all his is totally different. That is hard for me to believe they put ball business the NFL operates like a trucking business and a trucking business operates like Google, Microsoft. Yeah. The businesses, but you can't operate everything the same way. And it was just it was a mess. And it's also in here that Hugh Jackson believe believes that there's some people in the office out of the football that I told you this Bayless that they told Baker may feel something this has nothing to do with Hugh being fired and going. Cincinnati. And I said I didn't need this article tippy somebody told Baker Mayfield something for him to feel some type of way about you Jackson, and this that and this article validated that for me. But this is they got some issue. The question is he has his guy plays a hopefully, Freddie kitchens. Does a great job. But how long let's say for the sake of argument's, give nature. They start one in five you start to seven then what because it seems to be if they don't get off to if they're not three old four and one five and three is a problem. I gotta tell you. The deeper I read into this story by Southwick sham the sicker. I got for Baker Mayfield that this is a bad place every NFL team the buck stops with the owner. Absolute verse decision that has to get made. Is that owner has to choose a GM and a coach, and if he chooses wrong, or if he wants to be the coach or the GM, you're going to lose, and you're not going to be able to get out from under it because there's no public mandate that you can fire an owner he owns he's not in a government job. You can't vote him out of his job. And it's clear to me after reading this story that Jimmy has is a frustrated football. Coach details that he wants more and more to be hands on he walks the halls every day of their facility chatting with this guy, and that guy, and it can be somebody at the low end of the spectrum, and he's open to he wants to know. What's going? On what have you heard? And if you tell them the wrong thing at the wrong time heads are gonna roll because he will fire at moment's notice. Somebody will be gone because he's fired a whole lot of people. So in the end, I'm not sure you can overcome that over the long haul because it sounds like his football philosophy has changed with the weather in Cleveland. He wants to go this way. But then he decides. No, I wanna go this way. Like analytics. No, I don't like his anal people starting with the guy knew in Oakland when he was a baseball analytic sky. Paul Deepa Desta warned Jimmy, Hugh is everything he didn't like an football coach four to one. If you you. But then he hires you, and then he fires, Hugh because he thought the team the team in quit on Hugh Jackson, you quit believing for whatever reason or maybe your quarterback quipped leading. And you decided you had to take that to heart. I'm reading in here. But where Sashi Brown who's a Harvard educated? I would've analytic no longer. They're no longer there that nickname. Him obama. And he's like, you know, he didn't the people in the thing that didn't like it. So it was a physics. It's a compliment. Oh, okay. I like I say skip out with you. The thing that you would you like to pages? So you don't the way they've structured their situation. Mr. craft is here coach Bela check, and then the players only one time in nineteen years. I believe they've ever been a disagreement or I- disagreement. They got to the magnitude that Mr. Kraft's. Okay, Bill you will do in southwestern sham wrote about that year ago. Yes. Mr. Kraft knows what he knows. He's a businessman. He had to be visited man because we have enough capital to be able to purchase the patriots. So this is what razors. Yes, this is what I know. Let me how somebody that knows more than what I know. Now, I don't believe coach Bela check handed him like Bill Parcells Bill Parcells they want him around. His grab. Well, wait a minute. I understand you cooking grocery, but I had a damn growth. So I'll go see what you cooking pots. That's true. I'm sure Mr. craft comes around with coach Bill take enough. Really anything you go to kitchen you have you go by the kitchen. Now, we couldn't go into betas. It look at my grandma. Well, pop I could come into kitschy over the stove looking pots, no problem. You realize a watch pot. Never boy. I sure ain't nobody tell Barney deportable. But if the kids coming in look at the pod grade, what you cook. It you guys let my clothes. That's that. That Mr. Kraft's just wants to be in the loop. He just needs. Just keep me updated. What's happening dated h? You know, I really liked this office out of Texas. I think we ought to give them a that's not what he's doing. And I can assure you if he were to have did, I don't even know how often Mr. crab where to go to dinner. They'd never pick it in the top fifteen anyway. So they go to and I'm not gonna take Gus Gil. Because like the handshake he gave me really. And he's running the football team. Right. So to your point craft bell check Brady they've been together for nineteen years. Exactly the same way. Which is why they have flourished drew Brees, Sean Payton, they have been together. All thirteen years drew has been in Orleans, right? They came in to gather, and they're still together. And they're going forward into fourteenth. Right, right. Yes. Has it worked? Yeah. That's where. Yeah. Same GM, and they had a defense and family, obviously. But but they weren't involved they weren't meddling tonight knowledge. I don't think they ever did. I don't think Vincent. I don't think he ever wanted to do with football. He would speak for the team. He was involved in civic impolitic, not, but not football in this case, you have Jimmy has lem who just looks worse and worse because I thought Greg Williams did a pretty good interest job. Right. And I thought he really did a good job with the defense. And all of a sudden he is out. He got Greg Williams got less credit for being the head coach kids God forbid, the office coordinator has that pasta? Can you? Imagine Josh mcdaniels receiving more credit for the team success. Bill Bill gel. I can't. And then you took credit kitchens. Who's been in the background his whole professional life. Right. Yes. And all the sudden you've made him the head coach, and you've taken him away in part from what he did best work closely with Baker Mayfield. Now, you can't work closely with Baker Mayfield, right? Yes. So in back to real quick your story about Johnny Manziel. And I was so close to this Dowell loggains was the quarterback coach who loved Johnny, right? He was the big proponent, but remember the GM bomber did not love Johnny the head coach Mike Patton did not love, Johnny. And at the last second Johnny fell to the first round toward whatever they had twenty twenty whatever it was all the sudden Dow gets a text from Johnny says, let's wreck the league together. Well, that's a mouthful because you'd never done anything except when a Heisman Trophy, right, right? And so he shows the text to the owner who says. Taking right now. We were furious about right farmers, especially furious. And then Dow log is made the mistake of going on. He's from Arkansas he goes on Arkansas radio station and tell Laurie in all of a sudden Johnny Manziel is coming in and everybody saying oh kids. So you're going to wreck the league, right? Okay. Good luck with that. So now, he's he's the hand pit gun the owner. Yeah. So how did just a matter? We gotta play you're gonna fail. It's not gonna work. I mean, look at all the head coaches. Five to ski at the one year. Skipping me. You can't have six coaches and three four general managers. Anything you're going to have excel is not gonna work like that. Listen Baker mayfield's going to have a hard time with this. It's just to dysfunctional. It's to all over the map, and you don't know from day to day. What's going to happen next? Because he doesn't know it all depends on how you give them morning. He can bring some or to the next because it was so positive to see the then when we read this it kind of leaves that sour taste in our mouth that we had before the season over the we thought because if he succeeded all this was going on a much tougher than we previously thought. It's a different story guys. Ron. No, I don't like your inside information because would like him to come back. So we can talk about we're going to tell you the latest. We know. Lakers host models tonight. But they will not have the broad on the court for the fifteenth street game the waters are five and nine without LeBron currently out of the playoffs. However, they will have Sean Rondo back and yesterday he was asked about their chances of making the playoffs and said this we've got LeBron. I don't know. When's the last time he missed the playoffs? Did you going up this one analyst Eddie house Eddie are you surprised LeBron has been out this long? No, not at all not with that injury. Good morning. Now what that injury the groin injury. We know you see it happening baseball excuse me, the hamstring habits baseball spring training guys out for about a month. Hamstring groin at Dr hip flexor. These are sensitive injuries, and you have to be careful with them because the minute you feel like you can go you could just re aggravate it re-, Android, then you back to square one. So with these sensitive injuries, I had an abductor and a hip flexor you have to wait and to your hundred percent because you will if feels like you're good, but it's certain movements that you do you like, oh, that's not a everyday movement that you do in your walk of life. But in basketball, you do that movement. And sometimes those muscles are ready for that. So I'm not surprised at all you look at what they did. It went from third tonight right now, they have twenty games left. Minnesota headed him. And they have with the opponents that are in front of them to against Golden State, two games left to against Utah one against okay. See Houston and also Portland. So they have good thing or bad. I think they have opportunity because you get to games. Yeah. And so we him coming back. I think that is obviously they're going to be a whole lot better. And they're going to be able to win games. But you want to be one hundred percent you want to hit the ground running. You don't want to cause if he tweets comes back to early and tweets that thing season's over with over Oviedo Rondo say, they asked about the plows we got broad that would ever find out exactly close. You know, what he meant? He would probably a positive word we got broad and nobody else does. I do you have him. I wanna know keep telling you the edge. Maybe Sunday, maybe injury was gonna satellite or mutt. Reactivate? You come back early. And as you said, you re aggravate you double the tab that you originally scheduled amiss. We don't want that scale. But when he come back to the ground ruddy, watch us, why owning having or no. Eight seven six five. Oh. Yes. Really, no time going scrape. You know, what's going to have what you're predicting prediction. They only four and a half out. Thurs by you, still you still third. So basically thing in a week we feel a week. Well, what about the third? So you think you're finishing third seed they got a chance to do that. We just there we we. We're not going to be three or four. We're not gonna be six for sure. So forgive me for this. But I gotta dredge up one more time because I still don't get this day after he popped his groin or whatever he did to his going against Golden State on Christmas. The next day. He 'em are I did he got the three D, And they checked it out. And according to lebrons tweet, it was not that bad because this is the tweet if we could see it right now. Please again, this he tweeted this. I didn't make up dodged a bullet exclamation point. She then give thanks to the almighty hatchery hashtag God that in no time. What is no time? What is the definition of no time who day days a week? Maybe you, okay. But he said he dodged a bullet. Well, it sounds like he took a bullet in the. Does it not does it not? I don't get it. I just he's Iran, I'm setting his bar at the highest level because he's been virtually indestructible I'm knocking on wood for him. I don't wish this on anybody. But he's shown me as I told you the other day, Lonzo Saturday night just turned his ankle. There's some routines crossing Laney's ankle turns over I've seen LeBron do that five times, and he just like shakes it off trots a little bit. And all of a sudden, he's just going full speed again iron man, Lonzo ball four to six weeks. I don't know. So in other words, what you're trying to tell me if Lonzo handle abroad out for the year. Maybe. But again, how do you? How do you miss fifteen games after you tweeted dodged a bullet? I don't get that. I think what he's saying about. He does a bullet. He didn't tear anything. Right. He all he does. He has a strain as a severe Strang who I'm glad it wasn't a tear. He does a bullet dog. But it is it possible. He's taking a page out of the playbook that number two up in Toronto. Who's he's why why we're gonna talk about him and just a minute for real. We're gonna hit him head on. But just in the big picture. Is it possible all stars in the league or sitting back saying, maybe he's figured it out because you just tell your management? I'm sorry. I'm just resting for a while. Did LeBron in his sixteenth season. Just decide you know, what it's a grind, man. It's no way. There's no way because I mean, the fall out at third to eight if he was able to play because you don't want to get too far back even though it this four and a half. You don't wanna get too far back in the west because you know, how competitive is in that conference. He he's not rested. I don't think he's looking like, oh, man. He they don't have the luxury to rest he doesn't have the luxury to rest every game that they miss the team seems like get worse and worse they have no leadership on the floor. They don't they lost. Lonzo. And he was all they had. Well, yeah. But I mean sometime he he was sometime he he picked his spots. I would like to see him be a little bit more assertive as a leader out there. But maybe not in his makeup. But they definitely need him back now rested. If he could get out there put it like this if it was April, and it was, you know, crunch time for them to try to make playoffs. He would have been playing two weeks ago. If it was the playoffs. He wouldn't miss no games because he would have been able to try to push through that do whatever you can do. Plus, you know, they got them days in. Between. Yeah. You have to resume. So he would have been out there. So he just getting healthy for this push. So the last twenty eight game so they can make this push and pull just letting the narrative play out that he's positioning himself trying to let no narrative plow trying to position self to make a run at Indy p. I'd get skill in Hollywood. We don't want like we don't write stories like that. We do we do it. Okay. Story rice sill? Okay. But you might have written it for yourself. If you're if you're right about what you're saying. And you do you think they're gonna wind up the third seed that's an MVP clock. Something's line for you. Like that guy. It just happens for you. You know, what I mean lined up for injury was unfortunate. Right. But in lined up for him to have a hell of a comeback and possibly being a conversation for MVP. It just happened. Probably the three if he got hurt we've probably been the two seat. I don't know about that. I feel I don't know about saying to Sam is very comfortable. You'll be owned a hills you'll be on the two seas. But I don't think you'd be to. We're not using losing the Houston and they should've beaten Houston without LeBron without saying, okay, be Sacramento. Okay. But Houston doesn't have the Capella. And they haven't CPA three. Let them get. Right. Let them get healthy. They're going to be a force. We'll good at me James case. You oughta balls cappella go get something has fall his turnovers. Go down let Oklahoma City get Roberson back in there already. Maybe the best defensive team, and they will. All I'm gonna do is file hill. Lego to the free throw. We'll take enough shots though. They're good defensive team. I'll take that away. But the their offense if they can't knock down some threes. You trade induces trays. Yeah. You know, you're gonna lose game. Don't worry about bras. This over. Ooh. Broad clean to. He clearly came crown can get them to make them poster that you can put it on your wall. We have got a hair fuller here with all the hair grow. Here. We go out to fan. No word. That's his yet. Goski? See I wish to ask. I don't know. What do we had Dion on the other day? Later came in nice in the coming. Got a hail. It looks like it's coming back. There might be the angle that might be dangle. But it looked good. Keep that angle right to your phone. I'm not hating on. I'm saying he wanted. Maybe he stay like that all the time and. That would do that. Lebron? Since he's been out. You've been stocking seem only hill. They're only ego. Be good watch your Sunday. Come back drop a true with those about the gate on feed it. You know, Phoenix you go to a lot of the game. Yeah. Faint is I hate to say because I watched so many get. Yeah, they're young. And at times, they don't play hard. And that's one thing you can't be young and not playing ever got to come every single night. So you could live with guys making mistakes, you know, young mistakes learning, but not playing hard all the time is one of the things I think that that's what they would let you can't coach effort as usually gotta be. Yes. He say, right. Yeah. Weeks two weeks. We'd be we'd be folksy to Greece. Three. Gotta get back. I gotta do becoming the gate with the trouble. Doe. And it is big guy Rondo back. They got a good companies now. Yeah. That's gonna be big day dance on them lands. Lance and make them interesting because there's this other guy number two. Oh, that's the same. From the court. Name will be spoken on. Dr ingle. Evil. Why Leonard well he sat out again last night and didn't play the raptors loss to the Pacers. It's the fourth straight game y has sat out for what they're saying is rest the raptors are still eleven in three without number two in the lineup. This season heard you say that Shannon onto your breath. We're joined once again Eddie house, but I give. Yes. I mean, we gotta get your opinion. We're talking about here. What is going on here? I told you so. When the trade went down when the Spurs hand was finally so forced they had to shift number two up north to Toronto. I said, good riddance. And I said good luck Toronto because trust me on this. Number two is a weird, dude. And number two quit on the Spurs last year because they wouldn't let him get away. With what Toronto is now forced to let him get away with. They wouldn't let number to get away with faking or at least exaggerating a quote unquote injury, which was no more than a bruised thought by and yet the truth was he just wanted to rest for stretches last year, and he wound up playing nine out of eighty two games for Spurs team. Still had Tony Parker and still admonishing playing at a high level. And that team could have made a run last year. If it had its quote unquote, best player who flat. Out quick and forced his way out of town and up to Toronto. And now Toronto is stuck with him. And he SPN reported yesterday. They're doing everything in their power to accommodate this guy because they want this guy to resign long-term with Toronto. And I'm going to say good luck with long-term because he has figured out. He can beat the system he'll play three or four games at a high level, and he'll get he'll get some Indy p consideration you'll get a little buzzed going and all the sudden he just doesn't feel like playing and my man Tony Parker called him out late last year. Yeah. Tony parker. Had a ruptured quadriceps muscle ruptured it toward into in the playoff game against Memphis year bat and Tony Parker. Rush back because he thought they had a chance to win last year and he jeopardized his career rushing back. And so finally he came out late in the year in April and said my injury was a hundred. Times worse than that, gone, computer? Okay. But it was a bruised thought by in again, he now he's seeing ghosts. Now, he's imagining he's more hurt than he is. But he's also figured out. I can just beat the system here because I can play whenever I really feel like it. And you know, what somewhere Michael Jordan is just rolling his eyes over this. Because this guy is getting away with near murder way to go. Toronto easier Zoe that you need to stop heart. He need to rest. Oh, boy back and forth. He's moved over San Antonio. You still got to be in the I he doesn't I do. He was never gonna win the NBA people. The reason you outlet he doesn't play back the backs and they're living in Lebanon three without it. So your plan back. Do you don't play back to back in the team is living three without you. You're not winning too. That's a good basketball. If they were if they were three at eleven without you now, you can you have an argument, but considering that for no apparent reason, you miss fourteen games and LeBron James injured growing, MS fifteen MVP because voted the Hobo disqualify at least look at the bra. Lebron play sixteen years. He's played basically at least seventy five games every year, go finals out the final at the finals with Olympic sprinkled in. They can get him being nicknamed this point in time. It was career but Kawai at twenty seven doesn't play back the backs as as you said miss basically five months of the season last year. Now, he would never gonna win just took four games off for no apparent reason with this. What they have this is what they have to do skip. Because if they don't I, you know, type of guy that you push he go wall, you're have hostagea. He he he went through something traumatic. I've read up on him. You know, he saw his father killed him hill. So he and his mom says he was never the same kid after that. And then his uncle took over all of his business affairs, basically runs his professional life. Okay. Well, you said something about Toronto accommodate him. What stars don't get accommodated by their team? They are every every every team every team does something to Commodore stars. If less practice time, if why everybody else's out on the court grinded. Sometimes guys are sitting as whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly the games thing. You know this. And I know if you were on that team right now, you would not be happy with that guy. I mean, if we're eleven and three, and we still rocket into say say, I'm getting a few more minutes and a few more bugs I've been having. I'd be fine with that. Okay. But in the big picture, you're as long as the wonder if he's going to be there in the big picture, if he's there, I think he will be and this ain't nothing new pop rest players all the time. You know, he wanted us chore this. He's the one that started it. So he started in planet deadly. Oh, you know, what maybe I can't say my legs a little bit. So he just picked up with. Down at the slightest pot. We risk guys. They had the slightest thing. Yeah. So wild looking I remember if the coast can make decision I'm gonna make dances. For the first half of the year. What did I tell you the most conservative conventional player friendly medical staff in sports cleared him in January one hundred percent you can play. And what did he do? No. I'm still hurt. I got a bruise eyebrows. Well, somebody clear don't mean that do right. I mean, everybody heels different everybody old school. You know, qualifies got Duke brave and everything. So, you know, why not conventional I don't think he's I think he's new brand new. This is a new school demand driving Chevy blazer. Okay. Four door. I had one of them in nineteen ninety. He's driving one at twenty eight. I got you. But when when when your ears players came up, they just play they just played right? Every how many tons of Jordan play all eighty two games like nine about a grown grown man league. Now this league is so much younger than it was in years ago. You know, it's the baby league, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of guys are top kids. And then they go one year, and then their son who's becoming a product. But you're trying to toughen them up you're trying to get him out of that that oiled Mintel. Is tough to he's not really spoiled. I mean, we could say he's spoiled, but he doesn't walk around and act like it. You know what I mean? He's usually the hardest worker on on the court stuff like that. But I have a theory. I thought why he's senior high. On a state. You went up. Theory. Why lenders sitting out the last four games, right? The sun's right last place in the west grizzly second to laugh and the kings tenth and then they lost to the Pacers. But their next game after the Pacers is the beard. He coming gives them rest. Help it gets heavier those I can't wait to see this case beer. Don't get thirty. I can't wait to see this. You got all get third. I better case play the beard ain't thirty. I'll take that right now. Look what cloud clock. You got the best defender against the best one. I can't wait to watch. It would come out there in the more of the PD the new. What? What goes big on there right there? We'll have I've got I'm gonna take. Let me get this straight. James harden has to score thirty or more points thirty thirty one. I don't even know where the game is at Toronto the Toronto. I don't have that right here. I'm not sure that. In houston. I got you. I got it. You gotta get oppose the bat nights. You've said it was that was not. Thirty thirty one. You gotta get thirty one over, you know, thirty thirty one thirty thirty two over thirty four Cates. I'd better not lose on a point. How bring the case down to one point bake. I got even 'cause you took a bit. Break you go be six. So you not y'all now you're not interested in that matchup James been doing great defensively. He is the best. I mean, that's. I can't wait to hear you. Gotten this. I why what did it go? That's what saying I've got his recipes four games. And I don't want hill is pointing toward James harden need. Jay's get ready to put in his work last this last month. Oh when we played him. Oh, there's a little soft spun Gaz relax give my legs. Get that's how my new balance got that. He used to look to schedule and say, you know, what the Knicks come and they're so physical or Detroit's because you know, why boys? We done talking about air about got done talking about different Erazo different errors air is totally different. And you know, what else was different Scottie Pippen garden. The best player on the door. Jordan was a we don't defend it come on, man. How can you say that about second? Defensive player of the year awards has LeBron one. How about zero about Michael did win? Chombo Kawai, always Jordan. Bryce thing. How about you, man? Every time. Find a way to slip it in little happen. I don't know case. I got a k. Get the free throws forgetting wildly without about. If they switch somehow or somehow transition he gonna go to that line. I bet you go to live over ten time. Trouble for years eight days Trump because he can go to put them all. So you're gonna oh rotate body only within why did he need to take off forgetting? Three headed Munster. Right. That's his theory. You must area. That's my. My. Makes a lot of said, this is gonna be interesting. So why are Tom Brady's? Teammates, calling him an old, man. Let's many times I've been saying that Tom Lee, we'll discuss. Hey, everyone Jenny Taft here. And thank you for listening to the undisputed podcast. If you like what you hear? 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But I'm so tired of this. Now here the team that prides itself is shorter. Shutting out the outside noise. Clearly, they don't shit out the outside noise. And you're not the underdog you've gone nine straight AFC title games. You play by yourself in four of the last Super Bowl. How you the underdog? Nobody's buying that. They were the bedding. Oh, stop it skill. Well, they were so the one so let me get straight one time and nine hundred fifty five games underdog. And so now everybody, oh, my hope. This is not the US hockey against the Soviets in nineteen eighty Lake Placid is not that. So they need to stop. I get having a chip on you. But let me ask you questions where was he shouting when they played Tennessee. Where was he shot? They play when they play Miami. I didn't see any of this Jacksonville, Detroit. Who's in the Super Bowl? Point. Oh, now, you all your too old out of here. I hear you. Losses. I heard it being shouted at me across the table after those losses. I heard the famous Shannon Sharpe. And the hall of Famer Eric Dickerson, basically say he's just too old. Bobby about him. You know, what it's it's a lot about you. You realize you are partly responsible Robbie. You take rob? You guys are in the hall of fame. Both of you both said Mexico is though, but I'm leaving. Okay. Well, I don't think it's overdone. I is it a little corny. Yeah. It's almost lame. Yeah. It is. Okay. But when Tom Brady said everybody thinks we saw he believes that. And I think a whole lot of people thought they sucked going into the playoffs including you. What? When Elaine Johnson, a lot of people think Bill Belichick smoke, a lot of people think Bill Belichick the way they run their thing is not right. But you got tired of hearing. It is lying. Okay. I've tired of here. It's lane. Go play football. What did I tell you about Julian Edelman after I heard about selling the shirts? I said how can you do that? Because you've taken a battle cry bad against us. It's like a challenge. I dare you to bet against us. And now, you're marketing your battlecry on the week of the AFC championship game on T shirts shirts, or whatever they are. But you're trying to sell them on your own website. And you even suggested Bill check might have said something about that too. Julie element like better cool that look. I get it. Because there are a lot of things said in and guy use it to motivate them and get. But it never for for me. What someone said it never came. I see my job was not to prove you wrong. My job was to prove me. Right. Because I know what I put into it in the off season. I know the way I prepared myself. I knew the meeting time I knew what the effort that. I put into it. I was cool say what you want to say. But you know, what? We'll play the game, you know, Balan crowd you to. Oh, okay. Okay. But what did you leeann Eshelman do on Sunday and Kansas City? He backed it up right again. I thought he dropped or didn't failed to catch. The the second breaking interception, but he caught seven balls out of ten targets for ninety six yards. And he caught two big ones and overtime. The first two tens went to Julian Eshelman. So at least he walked the talk the bet against us. He came to play and he showed you can still do that. And so he's just trying to. Spire his forty one year old quarterback because you can attest this. It's it's harder and harder to dredge up the motivation when you've been to nine AM is that what it is now nine. Yeah. Nine straight. It's it's hard to keep dredging up emotion because football is an emotion driven game. This you know, you better be really oftentimes the teen readier to play just mentally, psychologically. They win the football game. Because they like my Cowboys for whatever reason thing ready to play in the first two quarters at LA Coliseum. Right. You can motivate by fear motivated by money. Yeah. All of those things come and go. All right, Lee self-motivation. Okay. Hi, ever Tom Brady, Jillian elements saying that Tom Brady has bigger things that motivates him. Okay. But he needs to hear through the grapevine his own grapevine to his eyes and ears that Shannon Sharpe. Thinks he's too old to be playing that. Eric Dickerson goes safaris to call him an old. Dass man who should retire. I don't think he's too old to be played. I said he did deserve to go to the Pro Bowl. Eddie didn't have a top five season. Now age had nothing to do with that. Well, I think you do think h you had something to do that because. Okay. Well, when we first started undisputed, you said this year would be his last year. Now, you're next with counting on co beverage getting his wishes with this wishing so Tom Brady one again he won on the field that he went on in the front office. Right. Twenty twenty. It is not putting the fifteen cases. Really? We'll you're gonna just flood me with doubt. How many of those cases Tom Brady has won me like a whole like a swimming pool seriously of air swimming pool. Full ado, thanks to Tom Brady, half them back. If I went fifteen in one fail swoop. Yeah. Well, how you going to do that? When Tom Brady retire that year twenty after your twenty I'm willing to take that bet. I am a while for that might get three Super Bowl, you think. So well, guess who you're gonna have to take it will probably not the patriot problem. Yeah. Are sick of the patriots the Super Bowl. But Tom doesn't care the players even here because it views its at all we don't care because we're going to do it again cares of their. I mean, they're just going to find a way to get a ton. But I was getting at is even in NFL player players are sick event. And one guy took it out on the patriots guy. No time for final topic of the day. There are a lot of people don't like the patriots jet safety Jamal Adams took it to another level yesterday at practice for the Pro Bowl at drilled the patriots mascot to the amusement of the fans and some of his AFC teammates, this funny or not funny. This was so funny sad. It was scary. And it rubbed me the wrong way Jamal Adams got a running start and delivered a crushing blow flattening. It was to the mascot, and then he celebrated that so get this straight here for me. You can't beat the patriot players. You can't knock them down. But you take it out on the poor mascot. You could hurt the kid. I soon it's a kid. Yeah. We don't know that is flat out week. That's why you're a jet ski. You ought to be shaved assuming how thought it was funny because he didn't give you make. It seem like he Terry Tate office live back like he drilled it with his shoulder. He was running man who galloping did he like hugged him and flattened nail hands have some fun at the expense of the poor mask guy is like Charles Barkley in rocky when he was when he play when he played with Portland with summit here. Rocky relationship. Look at Robin Lopez he gets into it with all the mascot. Down. On t. Iraq it. It'd be going have fun with the mascot. That's there for entertainment. Good luck to the jets. Mascot. No messy. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning, nine thirty eastern. See you then. Of.

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