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Anti-Kremlin protests continue in Russia's far eastern city of Khabarovsk
"Thousands of people took to the streets again in Russia's. Russia's far, east and city of Khobar of yesterday protests against Moscow, and the Kremlin have now been going on for over three weeks. Joining me for more to mark. Gherman Russia analyst stunt senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute Good Morning and welcome to the program Mark. Could we first recap what exactly has happened so far? The first protests were sparked by the arrest off a local politician weren't they? They were the local governor elected local governor Sergei for Guile, and this was on fifteen year old charges of involvement with some contract killing, which may or may not be true. He was set me involved in some questionable business. But the widespread assumption amongst the locals was that it was simply because the Kremlin was was peeved at him at the fact that he had stood against their candidate and then just simply rummaged around looking for suitable charges, and since then these protests have continued for, as you said, now, almost a month and it's really. So transmogrify from being about four, how to actually being about Moscow. About Putin and about the sense that in a way, the government in Moscow cares about the rest of Russia outside. It's ring road when it comes to taxing them rather than looking after them. Have those protests course most grow by surprise? Absolutely, an indeed one of the interesting signs of that is precisely that there has been such a clampdown on any references to the protests. In the official TV media, we've seen accounts in the newspapers and online sites, but very much from the televisions point of view, it's nothing and that's a classic sign off what what Moscow does when it doesn't know what to do. It basically tries to by itself, some breathing space, but the trouble is cost nowadays. Russians. Are Very Internet savvy and. And the news has gone out anyway, and at the moment I, think the Russians Russian government is essentially playing a waiting game. They don't really want to try and take on these thousand strong protests especially because the local law enforcement and security agencies frankly don't particularly infused to do so and therefore ain't now waiting hoping that it'll die down to the point when they can actually begin to crack down. Do you think that's going to to the protests? We'll just eventually die down. Well I think the honest answer is, yes. We saw the most recent protests are actually smaller than in previous ones and impact that was because it was rainy rainy day in such like. But because it's not as though, these can can go anywhere what the what, what are the real significance not that somehow this protest will, it will explode and expand. It's precisely what it shows about incipient protests potential within Russia because there's nothing particularly special about kebabs. He's not like he was unusually poor or badly hit by corona virus or whatever, and I think. Right. This is so worrying for the Kremlin, is that sense of fine we can ride out this one protest in this one city. But what does it say about the potential for more protests all across the country exactly disease dimension that. Putin rather strong grip on power buddies this. Really, the case everywhere in Russia also in more distant places such as city in the Far East? Well. This is interesting thing. It's that you might have protests the loyalty to the center. Until. Push comes to shove. We've seen as particularly in Russia east of the Urals for which there is classic. Russian proverb God is in Heaven Bizarre is far away where absolutely Moscow is a very distant force and we've seen it in the past where actually local authorities. Are often in cahoots with local security operators in their own corrupt deals and so forth. But also they feel the same kind of pressures and resentment as ordinary Russians. So I think one of the strengths of Putin's regime has always been that he's understood when not to push when to make concessions. But at the moment in a corona virus has eroded his personal support, the money is tight it's that much harder to make the kind of. Deals Shantou involve splashing the money around that. He has in the past. So it's an interesting question. I mean, yes, he's not gonNA be swept away by this. He's not disappear anytime soon, but the slow corrosion, the legitimacy of his regime is becoming all the more visible exactly, and let's remember this beauty can did now stay in power until two thousand and thirty six thanks to changes to Russia's constitution. Do you think he actually has to address this issue of erosion and do you think people are going to appreciate him for years to come? Well I mean who knows quite how history is going to take him. Frankly, I think probably quite harshly. He will have to address the question of legitimacy, but again I think the thing is that. Putting has been around longtime. He's been power twenty, two years I. Think if trump has exhausted his capacities to reinvent himself he's got these grand national projects that you meant to be about totally reconfiguring national interest structure and health and such like, and it's really quite telling that he's recently pushed back the timeframe for their accomplishment. He clearly has a very ambitious agenda. Agenda, but he doesn't seem to know either how to really accomplish it, and secondly how to afford it. So I think he's he's hoping at the moment that things just get better that do course the virus abates. The economy stabilizes and things will work out not sure how far holding your fingers. A crossing your fingers is really going to be a proper answer. The most go the Kremlin on Moscow seemed to be waiting that these protests were seeing in Cabbarov Squirrel, just gradually die away. But what if they doesn't what kind of a warning example this? Of Four four Moscow and UNFOR, Vladimir? Putin. We we have reached elections coming up rather soon. How can make sure that something like that doesn't happen in those cities in those regions as well? Well, here's the problem he can't because it's really about is going to catch nation of random factory in football was not particularly personally popular. It was more the just his arrest, which under other circumstances might well have. Have passed pretty much unnoticed. Just somehow catalyzed. They just general sense of being fed up. There was a coastal city. Now. Elsewhere, we have certain places I. Mean, for example, in in Novosibirsk in Siberia, there's sort of contested elections coming up where we actually have real opposition politics emerging. The government is going to hope that it considered squelch Shalit's, but didn't that it has to have these parliamentary elections however. Much the parliament itself is just a rubber stamp. Nonetheless, it has to have these elections and elections. Inevitably case it paces when situations are that, there will be discussions disagreements, it will generate or kind of precious. Again, what we're seeing something that means it's highly difficult to predict. That's irritating for an analyst like myself. You difficult to predict exactly what and where it's going to happen, but there is a prevailing sense in Moscow that. The country is entering some bumpy. Times? Would it be easier for peace in to lead his country. If it was simply smaller, it is understandable that Russians thousands of miles away from Moscow? Mayfield. They don't wants to be controlled by the capital, isn't it? Exactly. Eleven time zones away or whatever I mean the actually that sense that Moscow doesn't really care is really quite pervasive, but to be perfectly honest look I've traveled outside Moscow itself. Even within the Moscow region, you find these pockets of ticky rural poverty, where actually all the shiny new infrastructure, the bright lights, the hipster bars and things of Moscow seem alone wrong where way. So size does matter, but I think it's really not the key issue. It's about the extent to which this is a regime which is focused on Moscow and Petersburg, a handful of other major cities and really has developed them at the expense of the rest of the country. And just finally, Mark Looking at these protests and fierce Moscow and beauty may have. How can President Putin bring the nation together? Again is widely assumed that looking for enemies from the West has been one way for into boost his own popularity domestically. Do you expect that we may see some kind of new maneuvers from the president in the future if things get worse domestically. Well, there's this overwhelming assumption in the West that, yes, that he tries to distract attention this way we have to realize that with the exception of the two, thousand, fourteen annexation of Crimea. which was very, very unusual case. None of the various overseas adventures that Putin has engaged in Syria and so forth have been either driven by domestic considerations or frankly popular i. mean half the time. Actually the Russian regime lies to its own people to claim that it's at interventions abroad are much less than they really are. So I think what we're going to say is not some kind of adventure abroad, but we will. Will see a rising tone to this propaganda about the world is a hostile place and the Russia is beleaguered fortress. He doesn't make Putin popula. What it does do is it legitimises his Moose clamped down on the opposition because he can say, this is not a time to be divided because Russia's very future is at threat
Trump Wants to Ban TikTok, NASA-SpaceX Mission Success, & Unemployment Benefits Expire - Monday, August 3rd
"It's Monday August third president trump wants to ban TIKTOK. Info on the NASA spacex mission success plus unemployment benefits have expired why trump's team is interested in Biden's VP pick and more. Welcome to Rob Song, podcast where I bring you the latest Progressive News and politics and ten minutes or less I'm Robert Cunningham thank you for tuning in. Let's get informed. So president trump announced on Friday night that he wants to ban Tiktok Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that trump would be making an announcement on these matters in the coming days he said this on Fox News Sunday morning futures where he also said that Tiktok, the Chinese owned short form video APP needs to be taken down via executive action in addition to Tiktok. Mike. POMPEO. Pointed to we chat, which is a Chinese messaging APP saying that both of these are feeding data directly to the. Chinese Communist Party quote for a long time a long time. The United States just said well goodness if we're having fun with it or if a company can make money off of it, we're going to permit that to happen president trump said enough going on the secretary of state added and we are going to fix it and so he will take action in the coming days with respect to a broad array of national security risks that are presented by software that connected to the Chinese Communist Party. Microsoft has emerged as wanting to potentially by all US operations of tiktok accents reports that trump does have a deal on his desk where Microsoft would lead acquisition of the US operations of six talk and Microsoft seems to believe that it's possible that a total separation can happen from tiktok parent company by Dance. It's important for you to understand that presidents normally can't just order a ban on individual companies like this but the fact that Tiktok has a foreign owner allows the Treasury Department to have broad. Authority over it. Now, at this point, it's unclear whether trump is going to allow Microsoft to buy it or if trump is just going to push for an all out ban, we don't know. But what we do know is that this is super weird coming just months before an election six does have one hundred, million US users, and so it is rather strange move it could alienate some I mean granted I don't know if it would make much of a difference, but it just seemed strange. NASA astronauts Doug Hurley and Bob Bankin are safely on earth after a historic flight to and from the International Space Station provided by SPACEX Axios says on Saturday afternoon both astronaut splashdown into the Gulf of Mexico after about two forty, eight PM eastern time a space x vessel was able to recover both astronauts from their crew, dragon? Capsule. Hurley in bank in two month mission was the first time that people have been launched into orbit from the United States. The end of the space shuttle. Program in twenty eleven. This new move of partnering for Space Exploration, with private companies can allow NASA to act more of like a buyer instead of a provider of these services now and will free up NASA's budget to focus on things like getting people to the moon and eventually other planets in the future. In fact, NASA and SPACEX already have another trip planned this time for six months with multiple. NASA. Going up to the International Space Station, this will take place around late. September. So be on the lookout. Additional unemployment benefits of six hundred dollars per week expired on Friday July thirty first and reportedly the White House Senate. Republicans and Democrats are all know we're closer to a deal? Apparently, all sides are on board though for another twelve, hundred dollar check like was done with the cares act earlier this year the main point of disagreement is the additional unemployment benefits six hundred dollars extra. A month is what people have been receiving since the cares act was passed Democrats want to continue at that rate while Republicans want to. Bring that down to two hundred additional dollars per week while eventually moving holy to seventy percent of lost wages Republicans additionally wanted to get a one week extension on the six hundred dollars per week of additional benefits passed quickly. But the Democrats are refusing because they think that the Republicans are just GonNa. Use It as just a quick win and move on. But the Democrats are saying that they want a full robust bill. Now, the Democrats have proposed a three trillion dollar deal while the Republicans are looking to pass. A one trillion dollar deal, and as of yesterday junk Schumer the Senate Minority leader said that there were significant divisions remaining but good progress is being made quote. We made good progress. There are lots of things we are still divided on and we're not close to an agreement yet, but we are making good progress and I'm hopeful that we can get to an agreement. Now they're going to resume talks today. Okay. But do not be fooled. The Republicans are trying to place the onus here on Democrats but Democrats came. Up with a bill back in May the bill back in May like I said had a three trillion dollar price tag. It was approved by the House but then has not been voted on in the Senate and Senate Republicans want to have a one trillion dollar bill that does not do nearly enough in my opinion. So but as of right now you know who's GonNa Suffer America, the American people that are unemployed we just had on Thursday. One of the worse GDP records for quarter ever if not the worst. The percentage of GDP lost was close to thirty three percent. I hope we get a deal soon things are super hard to pass in Washington obviously, and I'm glad that the Democrats are sticking their feet in and trying to get this thing passed the Democrats are not perfect and I fear that they're going to cave too much here. But we've got to get something done because there is an eviction crisis looming we need to renew the moratorium on fictions. Now CNBC just posted a study recently that twenty two to fifty nine percent depending on the state that you live in of renters may be facing eviction as a result of the corona virus economic circumstances these numbers are horrifying and I'm sure this isn't the last time you'll be hearing about it. Trump's campaign paused ads over the weekend, which is really weird because they wanted to rebrand their messaging and new ads launching today are going to be depicting Joe Biden as a puppet of the radical left. This comes from two senior campaign officials but the most recent internal polls show that the puppet of the left's attack on Biden is going to resonate with voters and speaking personally in someone who lives in a very heavy trump territory. The this is the talking point that I've heard Oh Biden's not the problem it's. Going to be the VP you have to look out for as if Kamla Harrison. Some sort of crazy radical assuming he chooses someone like her speaking of the VP spot trump's campaign is very interested in that because the quote unquote radical left thing that they're going to be using their ads is a placeholder for whoever Joe Biden ends up picking. By the way, we will learn who Joe Biden is going to pick around on tenth multiple sources have suggested he said now he pushed back his self imposed deadline from. The first week of August to the second week and one source has said that it's going to be August tenth now. So be on the lookout here. No matter who Joe Biden picks. I think that Joe Biden is well-positioned. Of course, we all have to go out and vote that. This is not a matter of that we have to vote even if we live in California or Massachusetts or Oklahoma Even for God's sake, we have to vote for Joe Biden, but it doesn't really matter as much who he picks. Think this go around because trump's campaign is reportedly very upset that Biden doesn't have the unfavorability rating that Hillary Clinton did in two, thousand, sixteen, all of this trump at drama gotta be Biden's campaign to respond Andrew Bates. Director of rapid response said quote the American people know Joe Biden and after seven consecutive months of failed leadership during the worst possible health crisis in generations they know that our nation's capacity to join the rest of the world beating back cove nineteen has been crippled by one overriding burden donald trump. Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina said on Sunday that he believes trump is trying to put a cloud over the election and that he does not plan to leave office. If he loses Clyburn told CNN that the American people had better wake up to trump and he compared trump to Mussalini and said Russian President Vladimir Putin is akin to Hitler further representative Clyburn said quote I don't think he plans to leave the White House. He doesn't plan to have fair unfettered elections I believe that he plans to install. Himself in some kind of emergency way to continue to hold office. Now, all of this is to say everything that Clyburn is saying here means that we have to so overwhelmed the vote that trump cannot cheat. We have to force him out of office because on January twentieth at noon no matter how hard trump tries he will not be the president if we overwhelmed the vote and like Joe. Biden. So that's what we have to do. 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The 'Seductive Lure' of Authoritarianism
"And Applebaum joins us. Now from London, she is the author of the Pulitzer Prize Winning Gulag History and her new book is called twilight of democracy, the seductive lure of authoritarianism and thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me, I want to start with a very basic language question because people are throwing around a lot of terms, these days, authoritarianism, dictatorship, demagoguery, autocracy, fascism, and sort of get to an understanding of what we exactly mean and what you need. Europe by authoritarianism. Book is about democracies really and it's about people and political movements in democracies who become dissatisfied with their own political systems and seek to change radically. And I. Agree with you that it's hard to sometimes describe what it is that they want to go towards whether it's a one party state or a liberal democracy or A. Not necessarily dictatorship. In which there's less openness and less competition, and so you know my book is about that. It's about the disappointment that some people feel with democracy and the draw towards more authoritarianism more centralized, less competitive, less open political systems. You're not so much concerned in this book with the specifics of the autocrats of our time, the Erdo ones and Putin's, and Orban's so much as you are with the people who vote for them side with them enable them. Why did you decide to look at it from that angle, but actually it's explicitly. None of book about voters I mean I think the reason why people vote for populist or authoritarian parties are various and I you know that sort of separate subject but you're right. It is a book about journalists spin doctors, intellectuals, and the people who sometimes help create these movements who create the ideas behind them, and then sometimes sell those ideas to the general public. Poorly I read about the because those are people I know not all of them are my close friends, but some of them are people have run into. The World I know and I thought it would be useful therefore for me to try and explain them in an an understand what happened to them over the last twenty years I wanted aired Juan because. About journalists and intellectuals he someone who and I think we could say this. About Putin von and others as well. These are people who have suppressed. The Press Ltd journalists closed down newspapers imprisoned writers who are the people on the other side who are the two of these other journalists and intellectuals who are supporting someone like Oregon. For example, in Turkey, will some of them are people who have become convinced. There's only one form of Turkish patriotism and that it's a nationalist form of patriotism and that anybody who has a different vision of Turkey vision of Turkey this integrated with Europe or a Turkey that secular those people are traders to. The country and their voices don't deserve to be heard. Some of the will have other motives. Some of them will be opportunists. Some of them will see the chance of if you get on the Government's bandwagon and you get on state media than its way to make a career, some of the will like the proximity to power. There's a range of reasons actually that's one of the themes of the book is, is the various different kinds of attractions that these kinds of movements have for people like that. So I'm probably betraying a little bit of my prejudice. As journalists and someone in the book world that the pamphleteer is the bloggers, the spin-doctors, the producer of TV programs in creators of memes. These are people that I can easily see supporting some of these autocrats I. Guess I'm interested in what circumstances in which countries it's writers intellectuals and and what's behind that I mean look they've always been nationalist intellectuals and intellectuals WHO and writers who supported dictatorships. well, into the twentieth century one of the themes of the book one of the kind of threads that I run through it is an analysis that was written in the first half of the twentieth century by French writer Julien Benda called it was called the clerks, the treason of the intellectuals, and it's a book about intellectuals who align themselves politically and who abandoned their search for truth or their object Tivi in order to be part of political movement. So this urge to do that and to be to play a political role or to be the voice sir to provide the ideas for movement is I mean I think it's as old as writing, public speaking itself. Talk about how you've seen that in Poland where you normally spend most of your time. So the book actually the idea for the book came from my reflections about the history of Poland. Over the last thirty years in especially some of the people who I felt aligned with in the nine hundred ninety s there was a kind of center right anticommunist movement that was I mean it wasn't ever cohesive, but it was the people within it certainly spoke to one another in the nineties who all had a similar vision of Poland and who all hoped for Poland it would be part of Europe and part of NATO and would be. Some kind of democracy. And connected world. Some of those people now have acquired a very different vision of Poland and they. Hope to pull, it becomes kind of Catholic nationalist one party state. They've been part of or supporters of a government that has cracked down on independent media and may be doing. So further that uses openly homophobic and anti Semitic slogans in its election campaigns and that I think worse of all really has sought to pack the courts in order to remove the independence of judges and the transformation of those people is one of the subjects of the. First part of the book, and again I think their motives are various I mean some of them are personal. They personally didn't like the political system that emerged in the nineties and two thousands and they they are. They didn't fight until they had a personal role in it. Some people felt police losing something they. They developed a stellar sometimes mythical nostalgia for some other version of the country that they preferred may have existed sometime in the past. Poland's cases to pre-communist past you know some of them felt that Poland was losing its identity as emergency urban there multiple reasons but the the overall impulse is one that I think Americans should be aware of too because the you know the attraction of authoritarianism, the attraction of the one party state or the attraction of liberalism I think can be felt in lots of countries including our own
Protests Over The Arrest Of A Popular Governor Continue For 3rd Week In Russia
"As protests over racial injustice continue to rage across the U. S. In Russia. Thousands of people are also taking to the streets for the 20th day in a row people in the far east of the country march to protest the arrest of a popular governor. Their anger was first directed at government bureaucrats in Moscow, 4000 miles away. away. But But now now That That anger anger is is increasingly increasingly directed directed at at President President Vladimir Vladimir Putin Putin himself. himself. That is the sound people protesting today, shouting Putin resigned. NPR's Lucy in Kim joins us now from Moscow. Hey, Lucy, In Hey! So who is this governor? I mean, why did his arrest spark these protests? His name is Sergei. For Gall. He's a local businessman who amazingly beat the pro Kremlin candidate in a landslide for governor of Khabarovsk region two years ago. And then earlier this month for goal was arrested by masked federal agents and taken to a Moscow prison where he's now in pretrial detention on charges of ordering contract killings 15 years ago. He says he's innocent. And ah lot of people in Khabarovsk have taken to the streets to support him. So if this governor is being charged with crimes for involvement in contract killings, why are people they're so upset? Well, People are upset because they feel Moscow has overruled their democratic choice, and they're also angry that he will stand trial there and not in Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk region, borders Thie, Pacific Ocean and China. And people there feel forgotten and neglected by the federal government in Moscow, I spoke with one protester. His name is Vitaly Blagojevich. And before the Corona virus pandemic he taught Russian at a Chinese university. I've been expecting that maybe the protease will go down. But every day when you come you our experience in the the Prudie's is going up every day. I'm happy. He says He didn't even vote. For for gall, but he's angry with the way that he's being treated. So do you think authorities are going to be cracking down on these protests? I mean, how long can they continue? The Kremlin finds itself in a tough position there so many protesters that they can't use force and throw everybody in jail. And if the Kremlin ignores a protest, they run the risk of other regions getting the same idea. I asked Nina Khrushcheva, Russia expert at the new school in New York, how dangerous she thinks the protests are they don't really have a leader in those protests are probably the most dangerous because if the cause is Moscow has too much power. They can really spread like wildfire, especially there in Siberia in the Far East. The protester I spoke to Vitaliy Blagojevich said he was really angry that some protesters were being called into the police. And he said, that's what brought him out every night this week. Saturday's have seen the biggest protests in Khabarovsk. Everybody will be watching what happens this weekend.
Trump says he did not ask Vladimir Putin about bounties on US troops
"Reports that Russia might have been paying bounties for the Taliban to kill US troops in Afghanistan. President Trump admitted in a new interview with Axios that he never even raised the question In a call with Vladimir Putin last week, we discussed numbers things. We did not discuss that now and you never discussed it with him. I have never discussed it with him now. Trump also denied he'd heard anything about the bounties. Despite reports the Intel did. Take it into the president's daily brief. It never reached my desk. You know why? Because they didn't think intelligence. They didn't think it was really. It was in your life. They didn't think I was worthy every I wouldn't mind if it reached my desk. I would have done something about it. It never reached my desk. When
12000 US troops to leave Germany following Trump's demands
"Today, the administration confirmed, it intends to withdraw almost twelve thousand of our troops from Germany something. A lot of people believe has been at or near the top of Vladimir Putin's wishlist for years
Russia Bounty Reports, U.S. Troop Movements Put Trump-Putin Relationship in Spotlight
"That he has never once broach the issue of Russia, placing bounties on the heads of American troops in Afghanistan with his counterpart Vladimir Putin. Then just hours later, he announces the complete withdrawal of U. S forces from Germany. And Hodges is a retired lieutenant general in the U. S Army and former commanding general for United States Army Europe based in Germany. Currently he is an analyst and scholar at the centre for European Policy Analysis. General. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for the privilege. So let's start with the last thing first. Which was the announcement from the White House about us troops out of Germany. Did that shock you? Well, it was a surprise when I heard it two months ago when it came out in a Wall Street Journal report that about 10,000 we're going to come out on days. Of course, it was also a shock to all of the U. S headquarters in Europe at the time, as well as our allies. On today. Of course, the number that we heard was closer to 12 hours. So they're apparently going to moves to other regions. What is the basis for having troops in these numbers in Germany in the first place? Once the original idea, and then how are the other countries there now reacting to this Well, keep in mind that the total number of Americans that are based in Germany's 34,000 That's about 12,000 Air Force in 22,000 army so That's probably about 1/3 of what could be seated in the Coliseum there in Los Angeles or some other major university stadium. It's not a lot of people, the primary function that they perform. Ah, commanding control, logistics, intelligence communications. Things that help the United States carry out our national security strategy in our defensive strategy in Europe, Africa in the Middle East, so anything, they're not. They're providing protection for Germany at all. They're there to give us Forward, basing that makes it easier for us to carry out our strategy. But am I correct general that the Russians were never exactly to put it mildly pleased that these air troops were in Germany and would be not at all disappointed that they're leaving. Well, no, This is just to the Kremlin because they've done nothing to change their behavior in a positive way. They still occupy Crimea illegally. They still are killing Ukrainian soldiers and done passed done Mass every week. Still occupied 20% of Georgia. They still support the Assad regime, which has generated millions of refugees and killed hundreds of thousands of their own people and their supporting general Haftar in Libya, which is going to generate another 1,000,000 refugees. Into Europe, so they've done nothing to change their behavior. And yet we reduce our capability and Germany by about 1/3 so to me that that again now We've had US troops in Germany since the end of World War two on some people have said. Well, why are they still there? The Cold War's over and I would say well because of US leadership and because of NATO. We've had no war in Europe for 71 years. I mean, that's actually since 1945. Don't do math in public 75 years. That's an incredible accomplishment. When you think of the history of Europe so Well, with the exception of the break up in Yugoslavia, all the nations of Europe that have found each other for centuries. Now, basically all of the same team in NATO What a huge benefit to the United States that are most important trading partner partner. The European Union is stable and secure, so this is for our benefit. Move on to the other part of this discussion. The time we have left the president not confronting Vladimir Putin about the bounties in the most recent phone call, they have, and then reportedly also other phone calls that they've had Knowing that everyone would be watching for this that people wanted something to be said. Yeah, I don't understand. Um, while the president is not more forceful and clear, because actually the acts of the department offense up until this terrible announcement today of the action Of this administration have actually increased in Europe. We have more troops in Germany today than we did under President Obama and everything that President Obama promised. Has been carried out by this administration. So there's a disconnect between what Is happening on the ground in Europe and in what the president says to be candid. I can't explain that when it comes to the reports of bounces, own troops head in Afghanistan. I was there for 15 months back in 2009 and 2010. As a brigadier general, I always assumed that the Russians wanted to see us fail to see us bleed because of our support for the mujahideen with the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan. But, um Wouldn't when the domain of Thailand from Pakistan into Afghanistan was cut off. The Russian's still allowed us to move supplies What we call the northern Supply line moving supply around. We were still able to move through Russia to get stuff in and out so they could have really hurt us if they want to. I suspect that this business about the bounty is probably at some local level some overeager person. I never thought the Taliban needed any motivation to kill Americans. The president could make this go away if he was much more clear about how he opposes the criminals. Technologists. Retired Lieutenant general US Army Former Commanding general for United States Army Europe Thanks the K Index in depth podcast you're going Get that for free
Trump Did Not Ask Putin About Russia's Bounties on U.S. Troops
"A new interview with the president after reports Russia allegedly paid bounties to the Taliban for the killing of US troops in Afghanistan. The president was asked about his recent call with Vladimir, Putin and whether the safety of our troops was brought up. Here's Terry Moran. Tonight after those reports that Russia been paying bounties to the Taliban to kill US troops in Afghanistan president trump admitting in an interview with Axios that he never even raised the matter in a call with Vladimir Putin last week we discussed numerous things we did not discuss that you'd never discussed it with I have never discussed with Trump also denied heard anything about the bounties despite reports. The Intel did make it into the President's daily brief. It never reached my desk. You know why? Because they didn't think it would intelligence they didn't think it was real. It was reason. They didn't think it was worthy every I wouldn't mind if it reached my desk I would have done something about it. It never reached my desk when asked about Russia supplying arms to the Taliban trump said, the US did the same thing in Afghanistan to well, we weapons when they were fighting Russia to you know when we were when they were fighting with the Taliban. Afghanistan's different Eero well, I'm just saying yes. We did that to the president also making a major strategic move in Europe withdrawing a third of US troops from Germany citing his longstanding gripe that Germany doesn't pay its fair share for defense in Europe. There was bipartisan condemnation of the president's move. Those American troops in Germany have been the cornerstone of US security in Europe for decades. Senator Mitt. Romney calling withdrawal a grave error and a slap in the face of friend and ally the Biden campaign blasted trump in a statement saying the withdraw does not reflect a thoughtful defense strategy. This is a gift to Vladimir Putin. David nearly of those twelve thousand troops being pulled out of Germany there'll be rotated to other parts of eastern. Europe the Pentagon Dell. Help deter Russian aggression but president trump made crystal clear. This is a lot more about punishing Germany then deterring Russia David all of this electioneering Terry Moran Thank you tonight
Oligarchs skirt US sanctions through shady art sales
"Report says Russian oligarchs are skirting US sanctions through shady high end art deals, The Senate's permanent subcommittee on investigations recommended new legislation that would reign in an unregulated industry that's become a common front for money laundering. Investigators traced $18 million in our pies to shell companies linked to close friends of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was sanctioned after Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea.
Trump says he didn't discuss Russian bounties with Putin
"He did not pressure Russian leader Vladimir Putin on reports he's offered bounties on the heads of Americans killed in Afghanistan. The president tells Axios the notion that Russia would pay bounties to Taliban fighter. Is who killed Americans didn't come up last Thursday in his call with Vladimir Putin. I have never discussed it with him. Why not? Frankly, that's an issue that many people said was fakeness. Mr. Trump spokeswoman has sided dissenting views within the intelligence community. If it reached my desk, I would have done something about it. Sources say. The matter was included in the president's Daily brief A written summary of intelligence. Which Mr Trump insists he reads Stephen
Coronavirus relief bill negotiations continue as benefits set to expire
"Negotiations continue in Washington over the next pandemic relief bill, there appear to be not just major differences between Democrats and Republicans, but also disunity in the Republican Party on their proposal. Meanwhile, emergency unemployment benefits expire on Friday, Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland joins us now, Senator Welcome, Jeremy. Good to be with you. Well, before we get to the pandemic relief. I gotta ask you about some big news this morning. The president says he plans to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany. A move that our allies are concerned will weaken NATO. Trump has accused Germany of not spending enough on shared defense. What's your reaction to that? This is a terrible move. It undermines the credibility of the NATO alliance. It calls into question our commitment to our NATO allies. This is exactly the thing that will cause Vladimir Putin to pop champagne or vodka bottles in Moscow, and it's the exact wrong direction to go. Do you have any sense of why the president is doing it? Well, he is said from the beginning that he questions NATO and the utility of the Alliance and Sadly, we're now seeing that sentiment put into action. Some of his supporters keep trying to say Well, he didn't really mean it. He really does support NATO. But now we're seeing actions that indicate that, hey, is not a strong support of the alliance, and he is taking actions that Essentially bring smiles to the faces of our adversaries on and great here to our allies. Let me ask you about the relief bill. How much are you willing to compromise in other Democrats willing to compromise with Republicans to get something passed? Before some of these benefits run out. One of the critical issues is whether there should be an extra $600 of weekly unemployment benefits, which is what Democrats want or Republicans have been proposing to $100. Well, the loss of $400 per week for struggling families is going to be devastating. I mean, their bills have not stopped their rent payments have not stopped. Their mortgage payments are Not on hold, so we need to maintain a large level of support. Are we willing to sit down and talk with our Republican colleagues about this? Of course, But We've been waiting two months in two weeks now since the House passed its bill on now we get this proposal from Republicans that's totally inadequate does not extend the eviction moratorium has not a penny for state and local government. Does not create additional funds for the nutrition programs s O. This is totally inadequate to the needs that are out there in the country. Do you need all those things in a bill in order to support it? Well, we need the basic elements of a proposal of a response that meets the needs of the people who are hurting most around the country and we need to Address both the health aspect and make sure that we have adequate testing, which the Republican bill does not provide for because they don't have a mechanism to increase the supply. And we need a robot safety net for people who were Hurting through no fault of their own, and the Republican bill provides. Neither
Russian Intelligence Agencies Push Disinformation on Coronavirus Pandemic
"U. S officials say Russian intelligence officers air spreading disinformation about the pandemic through English language websites. Two Russians and military intelligence have been identified as responsible. President. Trump admitted today He's spoken with Russia's Vladimir Putin, but did not bring up the reports that Moscow offered Taliban bodies for attacks on Americans in Afghanistan.
Trump says he never discussed alleged Russian bounties in calls with Putin
"Trump admitted today He's spoken with Russia's Vladimir Putin, but did not bring up the reports that Moscow offered Taliban bounties for attacks on Americans in Afghanistan.
Trump says he didn't bring up bounties against US troops in recent call with Putin
"Trump's acknowledged he's been in touch with Russia's leader, but is not brought up the reports that Moscow may have had a hand in trying to spark Taliban attacks on Americans in Afghanistan. The president says he didn't bring the matter to Vladimir Putin's attention because he simply doesn't believe that Russia offered bounties. If it were true, I'd be very angry about it. President spokesman Man has sided dissenting views within the intelligence community, suggesting that many analysts believe the reporting is true. When asked by Axios why he didn't press the matter with Putin. Mr. Trump pointed to the losses the Soviets suffered in Afghanistan in the 19 eighties. Well, we saw a light weapons when they were fighting Russia to Stephen Portnoy. CBS NEWS Washington In
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
Feds clash with Portland protesters again
"Now we all know that Donald trump has a thing for dictators and each time he praises leaders men who he has called. Good friends trump exposed and apparent autocratic envied that foreshadowed what we are seeing happening right now in Portland, Oregon we're on Friday thousands of protesters, including the wall of MOMS and a wall of. Of veterans standing in solidarity with black lives matter we're met by federal agents who fired pepper balls and deployed tear gas to disperse the crowds for two weeks now federal officers wearing military style, camouflage and helmets have been patrolling Portland with batons and tear-gas, driving around in unmarked vehicles, sweeping up and detaining protesters in a way that Oregon's own attorney general says resembles abductions. This ladies and gentlemen is trump's secret police. Federal agents igniting chaos in the city led by a democratic mayor who was also tear-gas by US agents this week. According to trump, he's simply trying to quell unrest. In other words, he is clinging to the image of the law and order president as his approval ratings continued tank borrowing from the playbook of the dictators. He's so admires. will go into all of the city's Eddie of the cities we're ready will put in fifty thousand and sixty thousand people that really know what they're doing. Then they're strong tough, and we could solve these problems so fast. Joining me now is in Applebaum staff writer at the Atlantic and author of twilight of Democracy Renee, Graham columnist and associate editor at the Boston Globe. Sarah Kinzir scholar, authoritarian states, and all of hiding in plain sites and Philip he goes of the center for Policing Equity Thank you guys for joining me and I'm going to start with you. We are living in a world where secret police are detaining protesters without probable. So. If you look out on the nation, you will note across the chasm a lot of steering thing we try to tell you and you really touch on some interesting things in your piece in the Atlantic I loved it and you say that Donald Trump's authoritarianism is a form of politics that reached new heights. And you compare this what we're seeing in the landscape to Russia explain that to me. So. Thanks I think the important thing to understand about what trump is doing is that these are not tactics designed to solve the problem? Why is he sending customs and Border Patrol Coastguard Tsa. Officers into American cities these are people who don't have training and riot control who aren't used to dealing with political protests, and whose main goal seems to be to create more chaos. Of course, this isn't full on dictatorship. Resting the mayor or conducting mass arrests are putting thousands of people in jail for what he is doing is creating pictures. That are designed to show other Americans. How tough he is! So the fact that these men are wearing men and women maybe are wearing camouflage. They look heavily armed. They're wearing. Face Masks this is designed to show and kind of act out dominance. Look were pushing back against the liberal America the. Urban America the chaotic in America that. You're all afraid of and this is how we're going to win the argument. This way of using troops and using photographs of violence is something that we have seen in other authoritarian states. particularly in Russia where. Putin in twenty, thousand fourteen. Used pictures of violence to imply that the democracy movement in Ukraine was really some kind of Nazi fascist uprising, and that he was then putting it. Is, this is a tactic. We've seen US in other parts of the world, and we've already seen the photographs and footage of this be used in campaign. So that really punctuates your Article Philip. I want to turn to you because one thing that concerns me about. This is the experience that black and Brown people have when we encounter police so attorney general bill bar has said that in these new cities that the police officers are going to be clearly identifiable. I don't know that that makes it better. Considering that when black people encounter police there three times more likely to be killed in Chicago there six times more likely to be killed whether you make this. Yeah amp put it exactly right. These are not here. These troops are not here to make anything better. They're set up. In camouflage, which by the way they're not blending into any urban environment with those uniforms. To make the folks who are protesting who had been almost entirely peaceful important up until this point. Make them fear that there's going to be some kind of forceful, physical violent, a reaction to their peaceful expression of their rights and the thing I want to understand is this is over the objection, not only of the mayor of the US Attorney Attorney General the governor of local law enforcement as local law enforcement has been trying for the last seven eight to figure out how dare legitimacy at trust of New York, and this is explicitly not helping
Trump Announces New Guidelines For Reopening Schools
"The new CDC guidelines for school reopening did come out shortly after trump gave the briefing. The emphasis is very much on getting children back into schools will talk about it with a doctor standing by four us in just a moment you may recall. Trump rejected the original CDC guidelines as quote very tough inexpensive. Ironically The New York Times reports that the school attended by trump's youngest son, baron Saint Andrews Episcopal a private school in the Maryland suburbs will not fully reopen this fall out of concern for the pandemic. Today. Trump was joined in the briefing room by one of the medical professionals on the task force there she is Dr. Deborah Burks, although she sat and did not participate
'I'm cognitively there': Trump again brags about his cognitive test performance
"Said Yesterday he was talking about taking a cognitive test. He was bragging, of course, about how What wonderful, really, really good, really great, really terrific, really great cognitive abilities that I have He says he's in great mental health. He actually said that the his doctors were astonished. By his cognitive abilities, and he suggested that Joe Biden needs to take the same test because being president of the United States, according to Mr Trump, Requires stamina, physical health and mental health. Fox News interview, he said. So in a way, Biden has an obligation to take such a test quote because I can tell you, president G is sharp. President Putin is sharp. Heard again is sharp. You don't have any non sharp people that you're dealing with. And He also said that Biden's too old to be president. New York Times noted that the Fox interview with with Trump over and over again recited what he claimed was a sample sequence from the cognitive testing that he underwent. First questions are very easy. Trump explained the last question much more difficult, like a memory question. It's like you go person, Woman Man Camera TV. So they say, Could you repeat that? I say, Yeah, it's person, Woman, Man Camera TV and then He said up to 20 minutes later, he'd be asked to repeat the sequence and you go person. Woman Man Camera TV. If you get it in order, you get extra points is actually not that easy to do. And nobody is able to do that. But he said he did it. That's amazing.
"putin" Discussed on Skullduggery
"It have been sort of in the works we've seen from the president wanting to pull troops out of out of Germany and talking constantly about the need for possibly new look, inform after NATO going forward questioning and how much other countries or contributing. To the coalition, and then you know you're in the midst of a hasty deal with the peace deal with the Taliban and getting US troops removed from there, but I think and I think the biggest takeaway is actions speak louder than words, and in this, in this case, words have been right up there with the trump's with the president's actions. What he says is what he mean in in. He acts on it and brought him or Putin just has to look at the previous three years of the trump administration and time and time again publicly, and who knows what said behind closed doors. The president has. Has had decided with her Putin, overground intelligence agencies, but she's already done this time it just this weekend, but in the latest scandal beyond another Russia question I wanted to ask you. We just finished this week. A seven day, national plebiscite in Russia intended to keep Vladimir Putin in power to until at least twenty thirty six surprise surprise, three quarters of voters endorsed the constitutional changes that would allow Putin to remain in power. What do you make of this plebiscite? Look I I. Don't think the surprise any of us. It is unfortunate and very disappointing in the longer term history, and the Ark of Russia and. Towards what was a fledgling democracy? It had issues there was a lot of. Back when in Yeltsin was president, obviously, things took a dramatic change when a man by the name of the. Fridge and came to office in Nineteen Ninety Nine, and you look at where things stand now in the country. It's got an economy. That's smaller than that. Of Italy it has one natural resource. It's a resource based economy for the most part. It's not technologically advanced the way other world towers would be, but it is a world power nonetheless at the nuclear power and give in Vladimir Putin dominance on the global stage, and the still unanswered question of what is going on between. Between the relationship became and president trump, he has become and remained powerful force to be dealt with internally. He is not as popular as he was in Russia. But who was his running mate, who happened I? Mean is an opponent who happened his opponents over the past years. I can't name them because anybody that would speak up other than the volley. would be quelled and and many if his opponents have had worse fates right than just Clinton the fact that voters. Approve this by three quarters. Of those who voted? Is this was this a completely rigged election that opponents Putin just don't bother to show up which we make of them. It's a combination of many factors one. Is that in Putin's mind? He succeeded in accomplishing a monolithic sort of one man show and the vertical power structure that he has focused on and invested in over the past few years, and that is making sure that he is accountable and Amtra bowl to to all, and that there's not an equal coequal branch and the government there and the Russian government now whether or not, he's been able to pull that off successfully about the different argument You've seen many sloppy. whether it's natural disasters whether it infrastructures there whether the handling of the economy whether it's a handling Kobe none of that has been executed perfectly by any stretch with the imagination. He came into power, hoping to instill calm and order and respect for Russia around the world one could say that he's achieved some given his his global hand, and with the help of of the US we should add in his stretch in reaching the middle, east, but and and then. Then even Latin American and Venezuela, but domestically he's not very popular. The question is who, but for him right, and and and even that was sort of the campaign that his team and his party in Russia has been putting forward is who officer who else is there, but glad Putin well the country like this well, but if my math is right in twenty thirty six, he'll be eighty three years old. Let's hope he's not riding around on a Horse Shirtless Way He has in the past got gotta say I also wonder we don't need I. also wonder if Donald, trump is kind of stroking his Chin in meetings at the White House and asking about plebiscites, is that a possibility for me? Given the poll numbers What what President Trump doesn't realize? Is that a lot of this doesn't come from a place of strength, but a place of weakness Ladimir, Putin for you know for somebody who's been in office as long as he has. I think it's pretty fair to say when he first entered off, he couldn't imagine that he would still be here so many years later and the. The reason I say that because without his power without his title, he's a dead man, walking and a lot of people in the correct state that he's built around him. Depend on him being an office, he's place many of his cronies around him to run the country's largest companies and industry around him, and so without him he has no power and unlike other presidents. Presidents US presidents and other presidents around the world. He can't just go retire peacefully into the night or write books and give speeches and and open libraries, so he knows his fate, and that's why he realizes that he is best left to run the country as opposed to going quietly into retirement, so while a Putin is solidifying his grip on power and trump is. Is giving him a pass. It looks like the corona is not giving anybody a pass. We hit fifty thousand new cases this week on Thursday on Wednesday, that was a record and on Thursday as we taped this podcast, Florida is reporting ten thousand new cases. That's a record for them. It does seem like this virus which we all hoped was tampering itself down. A few weeks ago is doing precisely the opposite I think when you look at where the US sat around the world, as far as which country was best prepared for a pandemic, and where the US rank at number one I I think that that that graphic in that analysis will be sharply you know revisited because every single thing minus a vaccine minus therapeutics we've done the opposite of what other countries have done with other countries unsuccesfully I should add European countries in Asian countries, and you look at the there curbs, and where their numbers are versus where ours are, and it's sad and. And it's one of these situations was likely avoidable. You think about what we experienced here in the northeast those first few months, the hell on earth, and all of the other states that could've taken example from that and noted what to do, and what not to do, and learn lessons from our pain. That's not how things played out, and you look at states in obviously you know I think the greatest irony is when this first hit. Everyone thought. Okay, we'll look. There's no politics in this. This is the great equalizer and a pandemic knows no line and you know for masks on down to reopening to. That's not the case and you see states like Texas and Florida have reopened much sooner than their local officials would've liked. And now you're paying the price and we're all paying the price of the country and you're seeing hospitals fill up to capacity the used to combat to the I. Think the only positive that you could possibly make it. This said over time we'd come to treat this. The virus better and we've been able to extend life further longer, but you know we're still in the first wave and we have an administration that views this as Jeff and burst..
"putin" Discussed on Skullduggery
"Michael Gob, investigative correspondent for Yahoo News and I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News and we are joined by the aforementioned Bianca. Welcome back to skulduggery. Hey, guys! Last time we spoke it was pre- Corona and in the midst of impeachment news. Seems like another era, doesn't it? I so. Few, but anyways so much to talk about here and the White House is clearly trying to push back as hard as it can on the reporting about Russians paying these bounties for killing Americans beyond A. You've been watching this unfold over the last week What's your take? Trust me is that you mentioned the White House pushing back? If anything, it appears that given, you know their motive operation in the past with regards to news. That didn't benefit. In particular when it came to Russia, it seems like they're just trying to move on from this story and not even push back as much as a focus on other matters. They haven't denied the validity of the allegation itself right? It was their focused now on whether the president was briefed. Which is you know a headline in of itself and then the other administration, and also the validity of the? The information, but obviously given your background. We all know how national security matters work and intelligence works. It's rarely a slam dunk. I mean that's what intelligence is all about and do you have plenty of occasions including the bin Laden raid where intelligence was presented to the president. That wasn't necessarily a slam dunk. You have different intelligence agencies who may at times have different views as to On that intelligence is and how accurate it is, but these are all measures to be had in conversation to be had internally. Not You know something that you don't raise with the president you bring it to the forefront his attention, but there may be differing views on validity of the reporting and the intelligence, but it's nothing that goes unmentioned it. It's something that he is right. He is alerted to you and it's clearly something. They viewed as their enough. Enough to raise with our allies there in such a bind here, because as you point out beyond either the president was briefed, and they did essentially nothing about it I mean. The information goes back to February when it was put in the PD and then debated in the National Security Council in late March, and so if he was aware of it for months and months, they've done absolutely nothing when American service members may have been killed, but if he wasn't. Briefed about it, that is a dereliction of responsibility on such a level that it's almost impossible to fathom and you know pressure. Can I just add especially that? We know that starting at the end of March when this matter was raised to the national, Security Council trump had a half. A dozen phone calls over the next few weeks with Putin, in which they're talking about. All sorts of matters and one would think that knowing this. would be an important part of the presidential preparation for a phone call with with Putin, and let's not forget that the national security. Council is not an intelligence department, right? They're all focused on policy so for intelligence to reach them at that little once it's there. It's if for all intents and purposes valid right. It's a matter of how they act on it. That's National Intelligence Council focuses on and so when you have. Have the president in the national. Security Council focuses on so when you have, the president presented this and it. Typically, it's all a matter of policy going forward. Not a matter of do believe this or not, and you're absolutely right all the fact that the president spoke with Vladimir Putin Multiple Times after the fact, the fact that he had insisted shocking the world and our allies, but you know unfortunately not shocking to. For three years now, insisting once again, but Russia be readmitted to the G. Eight inviting Russia to the g seven. This is something bad would have been glaringly obvious to his advisors, and so for them, not to flag this and you had the national security adviser O'Brien go on national television once again throughout this period and tout that this president has been very fund brush. It would be jaw-dropping. I gotTA. Say Robert O'Brien's appearance on Fox in which he essentially through the CIA briefer under the bus for not bringing it up. It is kind of shocking. I mean the reality is that this was in the PD the national security advisor works with the briefers to make decisions about what to emphasize in the oral briefing with the president of the United States. So what that means is that Robert O'Brien would have discussed this issue with the Briefer, and made a decision himself that this was not worthy of a presidential briefing and I have to say I. Think There's going to. To be a lot of scrutiny of the people around the president, and why they didn't think it rose to the level of telling him about his, and to your point beyond a about what the threshold is for what gets briefed, and what doesn't get breached at the point where you're debating what the response ought to be, which is a response that would have to be made by a decision that would have to be by the United States. You would think it would rise to level of of actually briefing and so I I am still skeptical that he didn't know about this. I'm not sure. That I. Think the explanation is not that it didn't rise to the level, but they knew what the reaction was likely to be from the president himself. Whenever you bring him intelligence about Russia, we know he blows up immediately looks at it through the context of what he uses the Russia hoax in the Mueller investigation, and it's not anything he wants to hear about. He views all intelligence about Russian misbehavior as part of some sort of deep state plot to push on him intelligence that coming from the same. Same people who sort of put the taint on his election by playing up and reporting to him about Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election, and I agree with you. There's no way he did not know about this, and there's no way that it wasn't even PD and it's no way that it was brought to attention. The question is and this is where I don't think that like you said O'Brien or defense secretary mark. Casper should be let off the hook here. Because are they so? This is something that they've put in. One day and mentioned it only one time and never again, because there's so much focus on this one TV, be whether or not he was alerted when you've got a situation in allegation of serious, this amounts on the head that US troops for this not to come up time and time and time and time again is just on heard about would be a dereliction of duty to so this is i. think it's not just on the president, but on his advisors so beyond given your expertise on. Russia and Putin. We would be remiss not to ask you about that. Dimension of the story a what was in it for Putin and the Russians to pursue an operation like this, which on its face seem somewhat risky. Ever See the light of day as it now has well, you have possible deniability, and this is tactics that we've seen from the Russians for bladder you time and time again. The little green men and in Ukraine is a perfect example. They have been known to hire mercenaries in the Middle East as well and so. This is an example where you have Russians. That could say. We had nothing to do with this. These are Afghans. They clearly have an issue with us being there well. I'm the Taliban history so you have deniability. Deniability you have a president who much more of a tactician than strategy strategically of course, Vladimir Putin wants US ok off. He wants to drive discord and division amongst US allies and NATO coalition, and he wants US troops out of the region. So all about would be accomplish..
"putin" Discussed on Pro Rata
"But first this AXIOS chief technology correspondent enough free shares breaking news and analysis on the most consequential companies players intact from the valley to DC. Subscribe to get smarter. Faster at sign-up dot axios Dot Com and now back to the program to podcast. We're joined now by actress. World editor. David David Lawler. You wrote recently about how after Putin originally took power he focused a lot on controlling information. TV networks but didn't focus until much later on on the Internet on the side of the Internet. What has he done so far to kind of control? The flow of information inside of Russia the ARC basically Putin came to power twenty years ago in his first first couple of years basically he managed to bring all of the independent TV networks in Russia under his control. More or less if you're watching. TV TV in Russia you're more or less seeing Kremlin approved. Programming it's happened in print. Media is well. There's a lot of self censorship but the Internet again is obviously a place where information flowed freely. The Russian Internet evolved sort of in the same way as the American Internet it was kind of a free wheeling system and after Putin Return to power in twenty twelve. They were big big protests against him. He was looking at for the roots of how that you know dissent built up and basically realize the Internet was where people were mobilizing against him in. That's kind kind of where it began in terms of cracking down on information on the Internet as well so in terms of domestic giants Russia has its own big web platforms its own versions of facebook book. Google basically the yen is a Russian search engine if you search for something related to Putin the first results on there at least according to Andrei low shack. WHO's the journalist sort of guided me through this? He says you'll see stuff that you know is basically the Kremlin line. I you have to look harder. In order to find descent and critical coverage edge index while company is actually traded in New York on the Nasdaq as a part of that. Explain to me a little bit and not to get too much into the weeds but I remember when the Iranian protests it happened last year there arraigning government essentially shut off the Internet internally. Not a site. They basically shut off the Internet. Just Putin have the ability inside of Russia to do that or is is it much more like the. US system whereby it's much more distributed so Putin is building himself essentially an off switch for the global Internet. This would be an intranet. Basically a domestic Internet where everything that you are seeing is you know domestically created or at least domestically approved. That is the really kind of scary situation situation. That's happening in Russia right now and we haven't seen outages we haven't seen them. Protest happened in Moscow. Boom we're GONNA shut off the Internet in Moscow ten. He now in other words you you say it's being built or he is building it. Do we know is it built. Or is this like the death star which is a half-built if not legally he has authority to do it and they're testing this this system. But you know I I mean I certainly don't have the technical know-how or the insight into the Kremlin to know how far along in the process it is. It's one of those things where you know so basically Putin now legally will have the power to say. Basically we're going to shut off. The Internet is going to be North Korea style basically the outside world is gone and he says this is on national security already grounds if there is a you know attack of some sort they can control information. I assume that he doesn't have that off. Switch today because we would probably be hearing warnings from from people who know better than I do you but this is all pretty murky. I don't think they're gonNA tell you. Step by step. How close they're getting to this capability in so this is the lever that he can kind of hold out there and say if this censorship were trying trying doesn't work we're going to have this bigger better tool one of the big things? Putin hasn't gone after get on. The Internet is Youtube. Why not so youtube? Basically evolved as far as we can tell outside of Putin's knowledge I don't think he was tracking it at this time into an alternative to TV. Basically people under thirty thirty five. We are going to youtube for entertainment for news. This is a really key platform. And it's one of the most visited websites in Russia. And this is not content that the Kremlin Kremlin approves of so basically now the question is Putin has put pressure on the domestic giants. He sent warnings to Google and facebook about the kinds of of you know the what he wants them to implement in terms of keeping their data in Russia etc but youtube obviously is is part of the Google Empire but is really the most influential influential news outlet if you can call it that that is completely uncensored by Russia at this point google slash. Youtube have not responded positively to Putin's request no so the most recently in twenty nineteen there were these protests in Moscow. Youtube was a big mobilizer for this. The opposition is very active on YouTube. Russia actually sent a letter warning youtube that they had sent push alerts that related to these protests that were unsanctioned and they said if you keep this sort of thing up there will be repercussions here. Sure but no. Youtube has basically gone the way of these domestic giants in terms of taking content down and things but they do face this kind of ominous threat from Putin the idea of Shutting down the Internet and particularly when it comes to youtube taking youtube away particularly for under thirty under thirty five year olds in Russia. How does he balance his desire to censor it his desire potentially to take it down if he feels the need arises with what could be the severe backlash from people who as you say rely upon it for news but also for music and other forms of entertainment so this this journalist Andrei Lucia who made a documentary about the development of the Russian Internet? He basically framed it as if he gets rid of Youtube. He Loses Russians under thirty. I don't think it's quite that simple doesn't matter if a consensual in autocrat loses Russia's under thirty Putin's empire rests on two big things he needs the elites in Russia to continue to support him he needs needs to build this inner circle but he clearly does think he needs the support of the people in every time there's protests there a response in Moscow is if it's a threat to the regime mm-hmm it seems crazy to us this far away Putin having been in power for twenty years to think you know if a bunch of young people start to mass in the streets and expressed discontent that that's a real threat right to Putin but you know change can happen fast particularly in Russia and he is certainly not keen to lose the support of of all Russians overnight. They question for you when it comes to Google and Youtube. They're not as you say not censoring youtube videos in Russia. They have however been more willing say in China to alter search results I it Cetera. Is that simply math. Calculation Elation Russia's not as important to market. We also have seen you know China's censorship of the Internet. You know there's sort of the gold standard in terms of how far they've gone and what pressure. They've been willing to exert Putin Putin. These these levers are still being implemented and so I think that's what people in Russia worry about. They look at what's happened in China and say if that happens here you know the last avenues we have to get information formation. That is not signed. Off on by the Kremlin will go away and so maybe it's either scale or it's just that we haven't gotten there yet. They lawler editor of access world. which you can get it? Sign Up. AXIOS AXIOS DOT COM. Thanks for joining us. Thanks my final two right after this there is more news out there than ever before but these days it's harder than ever to find it and to know what to trust axioms. AM takes the effort out of getting smart by synthesizing. 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Harry's now holly Republican first-termer from Missouri is apparently frustrated with the FTC's oversight or lack of oversight of big tech saying that lacks teeth and believes there's too much regulatory overlap between it and doj the bottom line according to access Margaret Harding McGill is while the FTC has come under bi partisan pressures as it is a very tall order to basically reimagined agency created over one hundred years ago and finally Netflix. Now own Hollywood but it still doesn't own the Oscar's the streaming giant came into last night's Academy Awards ceremony with twenty two nominations but only took home two statuettes one for marriage story supporting actress. Laura dern and another for the documentary American factory. While the matters is that while the Oscars don't translate directly into subscribers. They do help. 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"putin" Discussed on Planet Money
"This message comes from NPR sponsor. American Express Save More with a high yield personal savings account from American Express earner rate. That's over ten times the National AP WI with no minimum balance open an online account. Today Ed Personal Savings Dot com terms apply. The indicator is a little show that tells big stories about the economy in just ten minutes. We tackle tackled important. Topics like unemployment housing market and how Justin Bieber seve the Icelandic economy that happened. NPR's the indicator from planet money. Listen now part to Putin wags the dog. The year is nineteen ninety nine. Boris Yeltsin has been ruling over Russia for the last seven years or so but his health is failing. He's just barely won. Reelection recently faced impeachment treatment and he's alienated his parliament and government. He realizes he can't hold onto power for long but he also knows just how much government has stolen from the Russian people and he's worried that the next president will try to hold him and his quote unquote family accountable so he needs to find a successor Sir who he can trust and who better than a guy who just a few years earlier took extreme measures to cover up for his boss and so- Yeltsin picks Putin out of relative obscurity eighty to be Russia's next prime minister hoping that if all goes according to plan and that's a big if he might become the next president Putin was really. I think the last desperate throwing the dice by the Yeltsin family because they were facing impeachments. The Duma the Russian parliament was ready. Eighty fed up with the way the country be wrong and the corruption of the Yeltsin inner circle again Edward Lucas. Several really going off to him. They tasted blood already. And so I think what happened. Was that the Yeltsin family turned to Puccini former. KGB Guy and say can you fix this but they still had a problem problem. Russia was a democracy and so Putin had to be legitimately elected as president and at that point pretty much no one inside Russia or outside Russia Psalm home as a potential world leader. I mean people in the. US State Department could barely believe yet even been chosen as prime minister in the first place. I remember getting a call in the early morning being From the State Department telling me that this had been the President Yeltsin's choice and you know I. I laughed out loud. I I mean the idea that this seeming nobody could be appointed. Prime Minister of the Russian Federation was astonishing to me and my colleagues but one thing we were pretty sure of was. This guy wasn't GonNa last at this point that skepticism meet sense for outsiders. Putin's rise came out of nowhere anywhere and it didn't seem like he'd last cease Asana. Mitch told us about the first time he met WHO and when he was working in the State Department during the Clinton years he was then very renew on the job. He was very unsure of himself hesitant but ingratiating he obviously wanted to make a good impression on the president. The United States He was clearly very conscious of being not only a newcomer to high politics but much shorter than bill. Bill Clinton and you could tell just the physical presence of Clinton made him somewhat uncomfortable. And what did Clinton think of him I mean Clinton Clinton afterwards said he liked him. He said he's so Russian. I remember being a little surprised by this because I could tell what Putin was trying to do was not seem Russian. He was trying to seem German competent impressive professional. In contrast to Yeltsin. Listen whom Clinton was used to dealing with. I also told Madeleine Albright after the meeting that he seemed to me a little rodent like you know a small animal with a big nervous beating the next time. We saw him the next time they saw him. Well we'll get to that. Let's just say he doesn't seem vote. It like for long. See The thing that most people didn't realize the time was that Yeltsin and Putin were willing to do anything to get him elected. It's a devastating scene. The whole mid section of the building is gone. All that's left. After some apartments are decorative rugs on there has been much speculation that the explosion was not an accident but was deliberate city terrorist attack back and brush security for searching all suspects. Your plan story out the bottom southern Amish. Such a series of bombs go off in apartment Armand buildings across Moscow then symbols apartment. Boom is a couple of seats but of course wall score was the most important one with us else Two hundred plus people were killed and more than a thousand were injured. Yes Sky This Sui I'm a historian I was born in. Russia moved to the United States and year. He was immediately suspicious. The Russian government's explanation about who was behind the bombings. No the government claims as this was done by Chechen terrorists What tools very easy for people to believe because because it wouldn't have been the first time just a few years earlier? Chechens declared independence and Russia invaded. Chechnya Nia in response in what became the first Chechen war. The result hundreds of thousands of Chechens were either killed or leftists place but after the one thousand nine hundred nine bombings take place. It wasn't as easy to blame. Chechens because something strange in the town not not far from Moscow. Tourists were arrested. Wednesday will try to foot explosive. cintos abasement all Glon of the apartment houses and this was emitted the broadcast by all mation. You stations is in Russia and when militia tried to investigate who those people are they found out that the author of the FSB and Exert Mormon the central FSB office in Moscow made a statement mindset as those people not terrorists and indeed. This was an exercise conducted by the government. It's the same day. Twenty set of September the Russian government started to bomb Grozny and actually started the second Chechen was the same day day and at that point. You're he had seen enough so we hopped on a plane to Russia to start investigating in person. Well still not a single bilsel knew about this. I downs Completely alone in absolute secrecy. And I'm met many different people Some of them them happen to be a former KGB officers. He started to suspect that something big was going on that maybe Yeltsin and Putin saw political opportunity. All this his theory was that Yeltsin Putin. FSB were all conspiring to get Putin elected by manufacturing a war because remember it was going to be really difficult to get Putin elected acted and so they needed a way to make them look heroic in presidential so Yuri thought that it was the FSBA who planted the bombs in those apartment buildings and that Yeltsin and Putin used use the fallout as an excuse to start a second war with the Chechens. Yuri eventually concluded that the FSBA had perpetrated more than one terror attack in Russia under nerve. Ladimir Putin's direct orders. All of this is detailed in the book. He Co authored caught blowing up Russia and we should be clear. There is some experts who dispute some of the specifics of Putin's alleged role in the bombings. But what's also true is that Putin has never denied any of the claims in the book and the fact remains is that in the spring of two thousand Putin was elected to his first turn as president of Russia..
"putin" Discussed on Planet Money
"This is kind of strange right like what I would Yeltsin. Choose to hire the guy who was his rival subjects per day. Whether a couple of things I mean one is it didn't matter the Yeltsin was behind the campaign To doom him the fact that Putin came riding in on the white horse to rescue is what resonated allowed us in Yeltsin's mind. They think maybe he'll do this for me one day. Because you know Yeltsin's government was super corrupt. He was quickly making enemies losing popularity yeah. There's no question that everyone at the time remembering the sub shop rescue and at the same time Yeltsin not only physically infirm but all kinds of legal questions surrounding his own own regime The threat not just of kind of a legal nightmare haunting Yeltsin but even maybe something worse something like a coup against him. mm-hmm clearly premium was on loyalty and Putin was the man who had that greatest experience showing loyalty and way he was just kind of in the right right place at the right time. I mean doesn't even feel like he's a main character in his own story of this is like an accident of history or something like his former mentor happened. To become the mayor of Saint Petersburg he happened to appoint him deputy mayor of Saint Petersburg and ironically when subject fled. Yeltsin took an interest in him and he's lucky. Lucky that Yeltsin reacted that way. In fact things keep getting better for Putin not long after Putin makes it to Moscow. He's appointed the head of the new intelligence service in Russia. The the F. S. B. also known as Federal Nyah Sloughs by Belva Nasty Rossio Square Feraluzi the. FSB's roll well it's not all that different from the KGB which remember Putin had been a part of for a long time so he was returning to very familiar territory and as the head of the F. S. Putin began his stunning a set.
"putin" Discussed on Planet Money
"This is planet money from NPR. Last week Vladimir Putin was on stage giving his his annual state of the Nation Address he proposed a few constitutional changes give lots of new powers to a previously minor. State Council give more power to parliament to choose cabinet ministers close the loop hole that allows a president to serve for more than two terms as long as they're not consecutive and each of these proposals on their own might might sound fairly moderate but the Russian prime minister who was once actually a close Putin ally immediately resigned taking his entire cabinet with him. And that's shocking news even for Russia. That's because these proposals taken together are not moderate tweaks. They actually pave away for Vladimir Putin to continue to run the country maybe for life so we at planet money thought now would be an excellent time to rebroadcast episode on the early years of Ladimir. Putin it's by our friends at NPR's history podcast through line here. It is okay. We're going to take you back to two thousand nine for a minute to a meeting. Between President President Vladimir Putin and a bunch of wealthy Russian factory owners which were introduced nugatory which moves us it now just imagine the scene who and whose voice rehearing sue sitting at the head of a long rectangular conference table. He's got on jeans and a windbreaker. Our guys in suits are sitting around that table hanging on his every word and the Russian press is there to capture it. All Putin is asking the group. Why haven't you fix this labor dispute yet? You were running around and high quote like cockroaches before I came Corpus and it's no accident that he's dragging them through the mud in front of the Russian press. This is a publicity stunt after scolding them like children who makes them all sign a contract ordering them to reopen factories and he picks out one particular factory owner owner who again no action is a prominent Russian billionaire whose name by the way has come up several times in the investigation. Oleg Der Pao Ska to do that but did everyone signed this unusual to have have you signed. Yes I have signed still Putin makes therapist get up out of his seat. Walk all the way around the table and sign the contract again and der Pao SCO walks away says could give me back my pen and makes therapath Ska walk all the way back over to hand it to him. Hey I'm Ron Louis and on this episode decoding the power of Vladimir Putin.
"putin" Discussed on First Person
"Legal last last term as president and in this context he is his putting in motion very very slow moving mechanism that That is designed to ensure that he will not even have to face the possibility of challenge right right and I'm talking about it in Chicago loop way because I think that normal language that we use to describe political processes is always based on assumptions. Is that don't apply to Russia right. Like people have tried to say. Maybe you know it's a cool well. It's a cool if if you can perpetrate a coup against yourself. Putin is the only person with power in Russia and he's staging a coup against You know it breaks down. It's constitutional reform reform even that is misleading because it suggests the Constitution has wait that. There's maybe judiciary that can make independent decisions or anything right so also people say consolidation of power which is like the most difficult one to sort of say no. That's wrong I mean you can't consolidate holiday power and you further it would be a miracle physics. It's already consolidated fully right. So what is what is happening. He he is he's parent. He sees the possibility of a challenge to his power. Where none exists this? This is not without precedent in the history of dictators and in fact. That's what makes dictators most stable dictators fall when they become overconfident when they think that they're truly so beloved by the population that they will for example call an election like Milosevic did and Bingo he falls. Putin is not like that. Putin has paranoid like for example stolen right so he kept sending people to jail or to death for what was in his imagination. The possibility of a challenge to his legitimacy when in fact there was not and Sullen stay in power Until he died in Russia ruled the Soviet Union for thirty years put that style of parent. What his protecting himself against doesn't actually exist and let me just explain? The process is so he has. He gave us very strange very muddy speech attention you know. Most of his speeches are very muddy because they can be interpreted in any way possible. That's part of the way that sort of reality makes is made mushy under Putin But he has created. Ah Commission seventy-five percent commission to propose reforms to the constitution which will then be brought to a popular vote but as a package hatch right. So it's going to be kind of a you know. Yes we're for Putin and his reforms or nowhere against Bush in his report so we know what the outcome of that vote is going to be. People are not actually is going to be able to vote on substantively but the seventy five percent commission consists in part of legislators and jurors which just what you would expect but it also includes theater directors film directors the heads of the two most important museums. Russia The heads of two medical clinics the heads of some charities so what these people have in common is that they're very well known and much loved and their work depends entirely on Putin's goodwill and presidential funding and so it falls to these people to say please we want want to change the constitution to allow you to stay in office for life and also to forever possible Masha. I WanNa thank you so much for joining us today thank you. That was Masha Gessen. She is a staff writer for the New Yorker and author of the man with a face. The Unlikely Rise of Ladimir Putin first person is produced by me. Sair Wiedeman along with help from Dan. Haggerty our editors Rob Sachs and our executive editor for news and PODCASTS. Is Dan Ephron. If you liked this episode hit subscribe on your podcast APP. Then come back next week. We'll have a new upset. Thanks for listening..
"putin" Discussed on Here's The Thing
"I think that was the intent was to show that democracy, isn't some shine was. Yeah. It's it's flawed as any other systems. So who are you Americans to tell us that our system is wrong. And and I think there was a sense of personal vengeance in it because of the way in his view Clinton and the United States the above administration broadly discredited, his triumphant return to the presidency personal. I think interesting how it's Obama taunting Trump at the White House correspondence to leverage his his presidency. And so bombing taunting Putin, the leverages Putin to aid Trump, but I want to ask you in the way leaders in this country often model themselves after someone else they'll say, someone's a Kennedy democrat or a Reagan Republican in Russian history Putin model himself after anybody's whereas you can say. That's an excellent question. People will say, you know, he's a new stolen. They'll say he's a new Gorbachev because he's reform-minded Andropov. I mean, people have made comparisons the one obvious one. And it was the reason I titled the book the way I did is he's clearly reaching back to some sort of imperial greatness. You know, people say oh, Putin's trying to recreate communism Soviet Union. He's not. I mean, he he's been saying that for years, you know, he obviously sees and saw the failures of the Soviet system. End of communism. What he wants to recreate his sense of greatness of his country pride in his country. Which when he was a young boy was putting a man in space the first country put a man in space. It was defeating the Nazis in World War Two and that resonates in Russia much more than more to does in our country for the obvious reason than lost the scale of loss, twenty seven million people, and the destruction. On the homeland in a way that we didn't experience except for Pearl Harbor. But I often think that he's not modeling himself to be Peter the great or, you know, czar nNcholas, but I think he he looks at history is a sort of Schwartz board. You know, a buffet where he will dabble a little bit depending on his mood. You know, what his taste is that any given day. What the situation is. So he might need a little Soviet nostalgia. Which you whip up with the the war in particular? Maybe a little bit of the imperial greatness. The restoration of the church, you know, Russia's exceptional place in world history. As the third Rome, he like professes to be a believer and practices though, somewhat loosely. It seems but he wants to be seen as a religious believer. He wants to be a tough guy, and you know, with the military greatness, you know, which can evoke, you know, Borodino and the war of eighteen. Twelve or were too. So he picks and chooses as as is necessary. But they come a nation is what makes him so intriguing because I think that there's this cartoon version of Putin as the super villain. But in fact, it's a more complicated history there, and I think that he believes that he's created this this new Russia. They really came out of this. You know, horrible experience. I mean, what he called the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century the collapse of the Soviet Union. They always say Russia's up offer knees. You know, there was a sense that she was down and he's made her great again make Russia. Great again, exactly. And it's the same. When you're looking at at rising, China and a more aggressive to you know, a country that's willing to project power. How do you deal with that mistake in the China is more anxious to protect their power than the Russians? No, I don't think that's true. I mean, I think that the Chinese are are very anxious to project power. In the areas that really matter to them, which is Taiwan and the South China Sea, though, they have opened a base in Djibouti their first overseas base..
"putin" Discussed on Giants of History
"Now Kraft was reluctant, but once he was in front of Putin and the attention inevitably shifted to the Super Bowl ring craft, took the ring off and gave it to Putin to check out. And Putin examined the ring up, close studying it, and then he put the ring on his own finger. After a few seconds Putin broke the silence by suddenly saying, quote, I can kill someone with this ring. Everyone who heard the line laughed about it, but win. The laughter died down craft says he put his hand out again to take the ring back from Putin. At which point Putin simply looked at him and then put the ring into his own pocket turned around and walked away. And crafts initial instinct was of course to protest. But just as soon as Putin turned his back and started walking away three KGB agents intervened. In crafts, own words, quote, I put my hand out and he put it in his pocket and three KGB guys got around him and walked out and quoted craft, just stood there dumbstruck and was powerless to do anything about it. So here's what happened in the aftermath of this event craft obviously couldn't and didn't do anything immediately following the event. But after he returned stateside, he made efforts to have the ring returned him as he said it had sentimental value. The problem was Russia wasn't responding to his requests and craft, not being want to give up that easily after all you don't come to be worth billions of dollars by being a passive observer craft continued to try and get the ring back via calls and emails, etc. Ultimately, though the United States government intervened somebody from the White House in George W Bush's administration called craft, and according to crafts recollection of the call, here's what the White House contact said to him quote, it would really emphasis on really be in the best interest of US Soviet relations. If you meant to give the ring as a present. Craft stated again that the ring had sentimental value to him and he didn't wanna let it go as he didn't want to one day see the ring on EBay. He also mentioned here that the ring had his name on it as we said. But after he put all this forward on the call with the White House contact according to craft, again, quote, there was a pause on the other end of the line and the voice repeated, it would really be in the best interest. If you meant to give the ring as a present end quote. And as these things go, it wasn't a few days later that craft issued a statement saying that he had given his Super Bowl, thirty nine championship ring to Ladimir Putin as a gift. Craft statement included the following quote at the end of a very productive three, our business meeting with President Putin. I showed the president, my most recent Super Bowl ring upon seeing the ring, President Putin, a great and knowledgeable sports fan was clearly taken with its uniqueness at that point. I decided to give him the ring as a symbol of the respect and admirations that I have for the Russian people and the leadership President Putin. And quote. In two thousand seventeen Robert. Kraft was interviewed by NFL films for their series. Fifty rings fifty days about all his Super Bowl rings and this story, and here's what he said, quote, I keep them in a drawer, right? Have my cufflinks. They're all in a drawer, except my third one. The original is in Russia with the president of the country. I happen to be there on a business mission with my friend sandy Weill. I showed sandy my ring and he said, why don't you show it to the president meaning Putin? I showed it to him and he put it on and he sort of enjoyed it..
"putin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet
"We have a team of forensic investigators here that I manage, and we've been doing this rate Naff years when I when I find the money, we filed very detailed criminal complaints with the law enforcement agencies of those countries. We try to convince those countries to open criminal investigations to freeze the money into prosecute the people benefited from it. And since we started that process, we've found the money, I would say more or less. We found all the money we've traced to about twenty six different countries. There are now fifteen live investigations going on around the world and not only does this expose the the crime that Sergei Magnitsky was killed over, but we've effectively exposed the entire Putin money laundering pipe to the west and a lot of other illicit funds of through those pipes. And to the extent that Putin is mad at me. He's probably equally mad about the Magnitsky act and the fact that there are now fifteen live investigations going on about his dirty money around the world, right when bladder Putin rails against the Magnitsky act and you know hollers about it and invokes you does that actually help your all. It may not be personally pleasant for you end up backfiring on him and helping your cause big time, big time. And so people haven't asked me well, so like who's the best advocate for your cause in the world? And my answer's simple as Latimer Putin. So he's, I mean, I think we've established that he's a at least some people think he's a clever guy in strategically and tactically smart. Why does he do it? Well, I think you're, you're overestimating him a bit, or people are overestimating him a bit. He's not stupid for sure, but is not strategic. He's very tactical and he's also very emotional and very reflexive. And so there's a thing that goes on in Russia, which is like, if you do something, they have to do something back to you just like nobody can like wait quietly for their next move. And so everything we do, our provokes a reaction and every reaction that we provoke ends up creating more sympathy for the cause more awareness of the cause. I mean, after Putin mentioned me in Helsinki at started, getting phone calls from politicians in European countries that I've been working on all saying Putin showed his cards. We now know how much he cares about this to the extent that anyone was questioning the efficacy of the Magnitsky act. If he's bringing you up and he's bringing up Magnitsky than then, it's obviously good thing. How do we get moving on this thing? No, I think when you mentioned on the show last time that it gets under Putin skin, I'm sure that some listeners were skeptical and thought, well, it sounds very self important on routers part. How'd you know he's a powerful person. He leads a decent sized country as you have said, he has twenty billion dollars potentially in holdings around the world. So how can this get under skin? And then when he affirms that and makes it obviously true gives you a lot of credibility. I tell you something really funny is that I got a lot of a lot of phone calls from journalists before the summit kind of coming to me as a person who knows Putin. Well, as a Russian expert commentator, you know, asking me questions and so on sort of couple days before the summit..
"putin" Discussed on The Energy Gang
"This week, Donald Trump is back stateside after his impolitic trip to the NATO summit in his warm embrace with Ladimir Putin with Trump kicking dirt, all over Europe and nuzzling Putin, Putin chin. You might have missed his comments on energy during that trip, we'll discuss the Trump infused energy geopolitics, tying Europe, Russia in America together. Then on -tario is facing its own political shakeup new premier. Doug Ford is cancelling wind contracts, ending cap and trade and rowing out the CEO and board of the province's biggest utility, but he may have a rude awakening going to be complicated going forward. We'll talk about the policy shift there and Ontario. Finally, apple is making it easier for its suppliers to invest in solar and other renewables, what does it tell us about the power that big corporations wheeled in the renewables transition, Catherine, Hamilton, jigger shower with me from Washington, DC Catherine's, the chair, thirty eight north solutions. Hey, there. Hello? How are you? I'm great. Jigger is the president of generate capital. Hello? Jigger. So let's talk geopolitics. A lot is happening outside of the United States directly influenced by the morass here in the United States. So the world watched in shock this week as Donald Trump stood side by side with Vladimir Putin and said, he trusted Russia more than his own US intelligence agencies when it comes to interference of the twenty sixteen election days before Trump went to Brussels for the NATO summit and there he repeated his disdain for the alliance and called the European Union America's fo. He used that exact word fo- energy was also on the agenda. Although it got buried Trump made a few comments about natural gas that tell us Alah about America's evolving relationship with Russia and Europe, and they speak to this bigger issue going on in Europe around energy security, which is a really fascinating discussion. So I want to use this opera -tunities to address it. So just a bit more background here in the lead up to the NATO summit Trump had been critical of a plan..
"putin" Discussed on Inside the Hive with Nick Bilton
"A relationship with putin right he had a relationship with putin through through the sport and he he came up for this by the way he was a pr guy and he worked for like watchmakers and things like that and then he gets hired because of the coca cola involvement in fee needs a man who's gonna be the middleman between cocacola in fee and they hire him so he's really like a product of the printing of soccer and sport and he comes up for you organization through that he's elected president of one of launch retires nine hundred ninety eight and holds power since then until two thousand fifteen when he's forced out of the support in shame and he builds a relationship with putin for many years and there's many photos them together and they have a relationship and they're real buddy buddy so he is known for supporting russia's bid for the walkup backing ten so going back to that that that that bid for the world cup from russia those an amazing story in the book about how of course england really should have won that russia's presentation even their powerpoint keeps crashing it's just not they shouldn't have won what kind of corruption went into them winning yeah right so that's right they have is doing presentations it's like a clown show i can't get the powerpoint to launch they can't it's flat there's no starpower it's sort of like it's as if they were still in the like the soviet era and it was like some terrible crap he you know movie they made to promote like you know buddhist architecture in this union or something and and so it seems on the surface like there's no chance but this is what christie was seeing that bribing people or they peer to be bribing people that they're having their a high level making oil and gas deals with other countries that have votes you know so they were trading them you know they're saying we'll buy more oil will will bite a different rates gas pipeline we'll but like build a look natural gas system you know with you and maybe you'll vote for us i kind of thing there they gazprom the big company doesn't big marketing deal with fee and another one that's really suspicious this guy in rome on but i'm on who is the who's a oligarch billionaire and a very close friend of putin's and a very private figure who's known best for owning the chelsea club in london chelsea f c he's very private never goes on public isn't seen doesn't talk to the press suddenly he's out there on the campaign trail lobbying the heck out of precious bid this is very strange people like christos yvette is very bad red flag because i never does anything and suddenly he's out there putting on a suit lobbying for the bid so everything looks like the fix is in into this is when christopher steele calls the fbi guy again and he says come back to london i got i got to tell you something else and so the the agent flies back to london with a couple of other guys another agent at doj guy lawyer and they meet with him one of the first things deal shows agent is a picture of this this guy taiwan check we talked about before with at bladder they're enjoying a cocktail you know in some russian nightclub righty says remember that guy taiwan check well you should know about this ball guy sat bladder to and then he tells them the story of the how corrupt fee phase and how russia is is apparently trying to steal the world cup at the fbi agent takes is fascinating has never heard of it doesn't know anything about it is a guy whose like old school new yorker who was like new york giants and new york yankees fan and no knowledge of soccer he flies back to new york thinks he might have something doesn't think it's going to be the biggest case ever just thinks it's interesting and he finds a prosecutor in brooklyn eastern district new york which is famous for busting mafia right so there's two districts in new york there's other district there's eastern district southern district is there really famous one it's the one where all the really high profile cases happen bernie madoff that kind of stuff eastern district scrappy earlier and it's known for busting talion mafia mainly he goes.
"putin" Discussed on Kickass News
"That can never be the goal that has to be a means to an end yeah now could putin step down from power if he wanted to or are the too many people depending on him staying in office at this point i don't know the answer to that obviously but my guess is that he can't step down they are just too many people we mentioned eager such an earlier writer ceo of rosneft his property rights are not guaranteed by the rule of law or some courts his property rights are guaranteed by putin and so putin is not in the kremlin he's got a lot of trouble and there are lots of people like that and therefore they have a vested interest in putin staying and i think it would be very difficult for him to retire at this point so if he just wanted to lead a normal life and live in his dock and not take on a political role he would either perhaps end up dead or in prison or could mean already hard and the needs to be reminded of what he did last time he was hired yet job so remember yeltsin picked him out of obscurity and his one job that was guaranteed was to not mess around with yeltsin and his family and the oligarchy that were connected to him and putin kept his word with respect to yeltsin and his family you've never heard about them being arrested they they're protected right but the business people around him one of them the one who is the most responsible for putin becoming president better saskia was his name he's he committed suicide allegedly in london just months after putin took over he went after him and bears oh ski was in exile another allegoric goosen sqi same thing and then hardcore ski in two thousand three the richest man in russia at the time putin put him in jail seized his oil company and eventually ended up in ear sessions hand that is a story that he did and he has to worry that somebody might do the same thing to him should he yeah yeah rather be a poor man in america than rich man and russia tell you that that's a great phrase well again the book is called from cold war too hot piece an american ambassador and putin's russia michael mcfaul thanks so much for talking with yeah thanks for having me thanks again to.
"putin" Discussed on Kickass News
"When putin decided to run for president again and switch places with majid of how did president obama react to that decision did it surprise anyone because i remember at the time there were still rumors or the idea that maybe magid of was going to actually run for reelection and that he was going to continue this progressive agenda that's right which didn't turn out to be the case right did anyone take that seriously while med yet of certainly did anyone in the administration concered though i mean he generally i mean right up until the time that it was announced september twenty fourth two thousand eleven was the date they announced that putin is running i'm convinced that medina thought he was running second term and you know we used to see him and talk to them pretty frequently i saw him just a couple of months after that in of all strange places honolulu hawaii we were there for a multilateral meeting and i happened to bump into him eat yesterday called out to me i was out on the beach and he called out to me he was sitting with a couple of aids with his hawaiian shirts on and jeans and sunglasses nobody knew who they were and you know is in that conversation that i heard bitterness in his voice like he definitely wanted to be relevant again where we know i i mean i you know my job as a as the senior russia guy at the national security council was to assess probabilities and you know in january i wrote a memo saying we should expect that putin's coming back and therefore are we should try to do as much as possible before he does come back did we would have been better for america that madeta food to stay probably but we were always at least i was i can't speak for everybody at least i always was ticipant that putin was coming back the perception even early on was that method of was essentially just a figure head and vladimir putin was the one who was really pulling the strings did you find that to be the case early on or did putin give him some degree of atonomy at least well that most certainly was our assumption initially in two thousand nine in.
"putin" Discussed on Worldly
"For the point about russian responsibilities since like everyone who is in a paid kremlin chill believes that the russians that it at this point so the bigger questions are why and what can possibly be done to prevent them from doing this again and my view is the wisest deterrent thing i mentioned at the beginning putin specifically wants to show that he can get anybody anywhere and there's another side of it too which is that this is how he exercises influence internationally the russians don't a lot of friends in the rest of the world's there aren't a lot of countries that really find the russian political model tractive or seve ladimir putin as a longterm stable ally so is attempt to wield influence comes through fear the russia analyst mark galliotti calls the dark power and this kind of dark power through sas nations intimidation and invasions shadow invasions really this is this is russia's calling card and this is putin doubling down on what he's good at so i'm gonna put an just a little bit because i think they're two aspects too the why i mean one is putin has particular hatred for double agents for people who are one spies like he was and then turned on their own country recently as he's preparing for what will be amazingly fake elections put was asked about who could forgive what he could forgive he said he couldn't forgive almost anything except for betrayal by what she meant double agents and that was sort of building on something chilling that he'd said in two thousand ten he described russian spies quote people lay their whole lives on the altar of the fatherland and then said those who were double agents like scrawl as pigs whose fate will be so miserable they would regret a thousand times their treachery so his about double agents like scrape hall are not subtle parfitt also is that he's continually testing the west he continued push his improv and see how far can i go before they do something serious so can i invade georgia a neighbor face and annex part of their country will they do anything no not really.
"putin" Discussed on Radio Atlantic
"Syria to the to the russians when president trump announced that he recognizes jerusalem as the undivided capital of israel a lot of people in the region freaked out and putin was right there with a middle east tour couple of days later saying where steady were not going to pull crazy should on you like this argument with uh we're not we're not going to pull crazy stance on you like this you can count on us we're not we don't just talk about values and then do nothing we will we actually stand by our allies look what we did for the charlot saad so you know i don't think it was a coincidence that when jared kushner landed in tel aviv a couple months ago bibi netanyahu was a moscow meeting with putin you make a really great metaphor you recover here's another great quote from europeist julia now you do talk about you say put people ask whether putin's playing chess her checkers but he's actually playing blackjack in terms of the risk he's willing to take on you just to bring this back home a little bit when you think of trump's character i mean trump may not be a master manipulator but he is a manipulator any is willing to take on a fairly high amount of risk do you see any common threads connecting them in terms of that sort of um embrace of risk and kind of governing by the gut if you will definitely i would say though that putin's more careful has been added longer and you know he's really evolved in power he knows he's become a much better speaker than our president and then he used to be when he first came to power he uh is much more subtle about how he balances and he's also dealing dealing with a different landscape and he has more power than trump so he in some ways he's the blackjack player and the blackjack dealer i'm so sorry that have all metaphor half is going to kill me.
"putin" Discussed on The President's Inbox
"Well i don't think there's been any announcement is to how long the meeting is supposed to last but this will presumably be at a large conference site there will be some room set aside away from the main at plenary gatherings where the two delegations will meet and the question initial question will be when trump and putin get there does one of them say to the other mr president i'd like to have a few words with you privately if i may staffs hate that uh they want to be able to go ahead with what i understand is the agreed format of the meeting which is a table with two groups on each side i don't think this was agreed until recently but the the idea is you're going to have putin and trump on opposite sides the table flanked by their principal advisers but a practical question putin is not her often speaking but he understands english if trump came to him and said a few sentencing she'd on you'd get just what trump is time yeah i'm not gonna vouch for that uh w every so often putin throws a few words into an an interview with an english speaking journalist as he did most recently with megan kelly and he famously sang blueberry hill e e you can no blueberry hill cold and not really be able to do a diplomat at kenner in her hunger points a okay so if they do have a private meeting he will almost certainly have translators there to silted a discussion absolutely when i note ticker when you you raise a very important point jim when i was at the november 1985 meeting between reagan and gorbachev of their first meeting.