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"puerto fisher" Discussed on The Documentary Life
"I plan was go into medicine believe school of medical and performing arts. What is it about about Bannon? WHO's a perfect rate for the aging movement especially here in Miami now now now? It's almost no all regulations. You'd have to pretend to be given all types of medical advice. He had a white lab coat that said Dr Tony Box. He had a stethoscope around his neck was doctor speaking of being approached with a great story there. There's a certain former major league baseball player that approached you with a great story of course his name was Alex Rodriguez and ironically enough. He approached you and your team about <hes> about a pretty major story at the time maybe you. You'd find out later on that. He had some ulterior motives for setting up that meeting with you guys but but there was a great story to be told why don't you share a little bit about that and allow that to us up into screwball. You're latest documentary Phil well the first thing I have to say thank you for using the word ironic correctly. It's I would have to think I don't mean to be condescending but I have to think that it is just in general I my experience and perhaps you were one of the most incorrectly we use words <hes> blame Alanis Morissette always blame the Canadian. Yes yes right blaming Canada. We should put a tariff on a lot of morissette songs but but I think that's true because I don't think she I used ironic correctly one in her song of the same title yeah so but you use the debt on because how is not what you would have expected to happen that in November twenty thirteen in the midst of of this high profile Lyle Major League Baseball doping scandal and in the midst of his arbitration because Alex Rodriguez was the only player I think about fourteen that were a caught in the dragnet of the biogenesis <hes> steroids scandal he was the only one who appealed his suspension and why not it was the longest in the history of the game so nothing ventured nothing gained nothing to lose you know and but he was right in the middle of it and I got a call from his publicist who I knew from University of Miami Alumni tonight circles and he said that Alex Rodriguez was interested in meeting with my producing partner Alfred Spellman and I to discuss these were his words a the possibility of making a tell all documentary credible and incredible and ironic chronic because that's the last person you would expect to to to make that call to tell all of anything as it turns out that that proved correct we went to lunch with him and he just lied to us for about an hour plus <unk> straight which to be he was doing with everybody and everything in his life. Yeah we went to lunch with him in a very. How should I put it? I thought we're going to meet at his private office in Coral Gables but it turns out we had lunch at the power lunch spot not the most high visibility restaurant in all of coral gables a very affluent municipality adjacent to the city of Miami and in fact the home of the University of Miami and Alex Rodriguez field in fact that he donated and so well <hes> because of that and because the popularity of our E._S._p._N.. Thirty thirties particularly the ones new right right and that you partout partout hadn't come out yet but <hes> the you on the proximity to the University of Miami campus really really. I should say ensured that or maximize the potential that I would be recognized can't be overlooked too like who were these guys meeting with Alex Rodriguez. It was bound to be somebody in the restaurant going. Oh that you know that's the guy that directed the you know so it was her documentarian and so it was it was very clear that we were kind of on display there and it should not have escaped anyone's attention that the person who put the meeting together wasn't was in fact Alex's publicist so and so it was leaked to page six and that Alex was shopping his story around it had this this meeting at this restaurant with with thirty thirty for thirty film maker does but I didn't I knew from that meeting that Alex was really compelling character the really interesting guy and despite the fact that he had been less than truthful with us. I thought all the more reason to interview okay you know to to be able to have an opportunity to kind of <hes> you know to to examine him so to speak and that was not meant to be they basically you were they were not really legitimately interested in in doing a documentary even for I pursued them. Throughout a half the following year after the the arbitration was resolved and in fact reduced to an entire season two hundred plus games had originally been suspended for and so it never worked out but amazingly less than any year after Alex had reached out we get a call from a friend of Tony Bosch who was the was the steroid the provider of steroid just ostro human growth hormone to these players among them Alex Rodriguez Manny Ramirez a Milky Cabrera Bartolo Cologne Ryan Braun etc on and he wanted to meet with us to discuss the possibility of doing a documentary sooner that Gillis it was the same message basically and Alfred and he was on his way the federal prison at that time we did at the back burner that but several months after Tony Bosch reached out I got an email from timmel frank of formerly the editor of the new Tom Miami New Times out Washington Post and he had written a book about the scandal <hes> a wonderful book called Blood Sport and he your co Co authored. I should say with Gus Garcia Roberts in Tim said I got a call from Puerto Fisher or Fisher the whistle blower in the biogenesis scandal who had stolen the documents brought them to Miami new times and exposed this steroid ring and <hes> quarter Fisher asked to get in touch with me to discuss the possibility of doing a documentary AB- still. I'm not a said this many times but it's true. I'm not a spiritual guy but I said to Alfred the universe is telling us something the three key figures in this internationals their experience one of the biggest scandals in the history of professional baseball all independently reached out to us and and now some somebody's trying to tell us that we need to to pursue this this story and Tony got out of prison. We interviewed him. We interviewed porter but screwball together now Alfred's joke. Is that <hes> when you get out of prison in Florida your first call your mom. Your second call is Iraq and tour really so I mean it's absolutely critical and it's it's the second of three sort of your acronym to deciding. If a stories stories is going to be worthy of of production for you guys in its accessibility and you had access to these key major characters oh actually and we found it very relevant. We thought it was obviously it involves the highest paid baseball player of all time of America's pastime and so <hes> we thought it was very relevant on we now had the the access <hes> yeah so our E._S. was so far so good <hes> and and <hes> we also thought that that the you know what what made it relevant to is that is that you had these marquee names but these multimillion dollar baseball players were really supporting characters in the story they were they were really collateral damage and the truth was is the way that we saw it was that the highest pay the career of the highest paid baseball player in history. I mean who generated well over four hundred million dollars over the course of his career affect effectively collectively ended over four thousand dollars debt between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake Tan addicted steroids and so that to us was this was ultimately an extraordinary tale of Florida Fuck Ary and one of these sort sort of only in Miami kind of stories that was like Elmore Leonard or Carl Highest Coen brothers esque. It was like a botched heist like we were like three Beijing Florida fucker complete one complete and that's how you choose to tell the story. This thing plays like a thriller doesn't it. I would say like Coen brothers thrillers like hung in Sheikh like dark comedy kind of approach. That's really what we when we embark upon any of our documentaries we say what genre era is this. That's a wonderful thing about documentaries about nonfiction filmmaking now now more than ever is that docs are not a genre docks or style of filmmaking if you you can make a documentary. Hurry in any genre that cinema that you can think of I mean you could make a musical. You can make a sports comedy. You can make a love story. You can make a Sifi documentary. You can make an action documentary. I mean you name it a genre of film. Tell me you love and you could point to a documentary. That's not only a wonderful example of that genre but is a seminal film in this genre that is that is one of the greatest films in that genre and his and just happens to be a documentary well as we wrap up here. Billy Kinda say it's a great segue into this idea of being self entrepreneur. It's something that we talk a lot about. It's critical these days that doc filmmakers I think view themselves as self entrepreneurs and I think get something you guys have been championing in your own way for a long time and so I'd say you are. Can you give me a couple of practical tips for the dock filmmaker in how we can best embody this idea of self entrepreneurship as a doc filmaker. Oh there's no question in fact when I taught teaching that class I I called it hustling WanNa once there you go. That's what I'm thinking yeah. I think it's important I mean nobody's GonNa promote you like you promote you. No one knows what you're you're capable of more than you. Do you know having an agent it doesn't really help but but but having a calling card really does help and you want to be known for something you know we made a conscious decision after Sundance after we did about sixty interviews and five or six days where the last question always was now that you've like had a sundance splash you guys going to New York or L._A.. And we're like we'll we're going to go home to Miami and and for several reasons I well. That's why they call it home. 'cause we go when you're done with other ships you go home. You know number number two. We have been working so hard for your on this. We didn't really know what we were doing next. That was a mistake to when when you're a young into indie filmmaker you kind of you do one project at a time now we have like five or six. You know now that we're a company. You know a studio so to speak so I'm back in the just didn't know what was next but we also knew that we didn't want to be three more schmucks. Peddling are wears New York or L._A.. 'cause then you're just like everybody else you know and and we knew that Miami was this extraordinary untapped resource at least a nonfiction filmmaking certainly in literature and other genres journalism. You know the Florida journalism that's burgeoned in recent years. You know people knew Florida was an interesting place but but not particularly making it hadn't really been been done before and in fact it really been done best by outsiders Nick Broomfield and the Eileen documentary. That's right absolutely so we wanted to sort of do it internally. We wanted to be the Miami guys so that when people in New York or L._A.. Got A call from US or whatever that they would be. Oh those are the Miami guys and so our next project was cocaine cowboys and still the original title of temporary working title was city made him snow which is much more elegant sort of but then we realized that we wanted to eat we realized that you can't go into bank and endorsed the back of a New York Post cover about your sundance movie and cash that so we knew we wanted to be working filmmakers. Let me tell you that that is the measure of success in this industry is not money it is not critical. Acclaim is not awards measure of success. Is You get to work again. Okay because that that means you're hustling and people are watching your shit and interested in what you do next and so that's the measure of success and it was just for us. It was like well it's like if you build it. They will come. We had faith that we were more in touch with real people and the marketplace than people living in a vacuum of ideas were and so I think that's what you have to trust your instinct. You have to find the stories around you. You have to acknowledge the fact that you now have everybody listening to this has in their pocket. The most powerful tool the most powerful weapon ever devised in history the best camera I could have dreamed of having when I was a kid you know and you..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Le Batard and Friends - South Beach Sessions
"Side-hustle has got side hustles. You look for these types of opportunity. So everybody was bathing in this or feeding in this trough of MLB and Alex. And be old Tony I mean, MLB covered your expenses when when when you decided to cooperate they covered you had legal expenses, you had security expenses, you had personal money to party in New York with some of that money. No. They covered that too. Craft services. Service actually invoicing major league baseball expense reports. Well, my security invoice, my lawyer invoiced and all the other individuals that to pardon this whole thing. I think we did the math at total just over four close to five million close to five million now, wait a minute. What we actually added up in the documentary beat we do the math right on camera. Right. And so your dealing with how many people who are doubling in criminal behavior here as or all of them, really. I mean every single one of them arguably, including the whistle blower, including major league baseball, including a rod who actually it was. It was reported only in passing that Arafat had a Queen for a day meeting with the feds with the DA Aucoin for a day meeting is is when you basically get to come in tell the feds everything, you know, and they agree not to prosecute you for everything but lying to them. That's not covered. In fact, George popadopoulos. One of the president's men famously got prosecuted for lying in his Queen for a day meeting. The whole point is not to live the whole point is we're not going to prosecute you for anything. You say we will not use anything you say against you, and Alex famously lied in that Queen for a day meeting and was not prosecuted so everybody in some to some extent was engaged in criminal behavior. Here it was pretty sensational in that way. I wanna get to how you go through five million dollars in expenses here in a second. I want to get to that with Tony. But when you talk about a Iran and the original meeting with him and him lying to you the entire time. You felt like are you didn't feel like you. It was your film partner told you. He was lying. Yeah. What is it that was happening in that meeting that you were believing before he told you that it wasn't true because I'm not a baseball fan? And in fact, don't give a shit about steroids in baseball. Literally don't care. I mean, the baseball hall of fame is filled with racists and drug addicts and cheaters and alcoholics indigestion. Madison. Hateful horrible people so players whose bodies are their fortune whose livelihood or contingent upon healing faster. I mean, Tommy John surgery, isn't that a performance enhancing procedure. Like, I don't really understand it you give your kids Admiral. Throughput morality stupid sports, morality integrity ethics all of that. I think it's hip ankle. And all of us would choose a fountain of youth later in life. If we could course, and these guys are I mean, they're relying upon that, you know, their bodies and their physical health. So I don't really give it give a crap about about really any of that. I was interested in in this insane sort of true crime story that this was and that's what I really was interested in. So Alfred who is much more interested in the purity in the sanctity of the game. In fact, it was a pitcher in high school at north Miami Beach, senior high go chargers. And in fact, interestingly I don't know if he wants me to tell the story, but I'll do it. Anyway, Alfred pitched against a rod probably about his senior year in high school. Everybody already knew that Alex was going to be was Alex. You know, he was going to be drafted and make some big money really soon. And it was some sort of summer. I think it was on Frazier's camp, actually, and they had some sort of summer league game or whatever and Alford pitched against him and Alfred's claim to fame. There was that he held Alex to a triple. And I thought what a cute story to tell at this lunch remaining Alex Rodriguez when when you get this chance, I thought it would just be a fun way to create some common ground. We're all Miami boys right now Alfred actually pitched against you yet. So I told Alex the story. Alfred looked embarrassed, you know, and I told him the story like any held you to a triple like, here's the highest paid baseball player when most famous guys one of the greatest in the history of the game he wins. He looked like he grimaced when I said that Alfred held onto a triple like like like there was a a sensitivity. There was he was so fragile about that. And like this was twenty years ago, whatever it was acute funny. Little story here about these two guys you've met before you know, that kind of thing and he looked sensitive to that. And and I was that told me a lot about. But that's what made me think he was an interesting character. Like a compelling character. He was making points about like, I never met. Tony bosch. Of course. This is he was telling everybody at that time to fear. He was in a battle of the legacies. He was trying to preserve his career. And is integral he was riding the lie right till the end three hat tricks through Commissioner's meetings, all of that stuff. Oh, he was going to go down fighting, or at least lying that was fat. And he didn't fact, but like he I he made the point like you notice that my game stats didn't improve after the time that this Bosch character claims that he was treating yada yada. So I like he was making these points at I couldn't verify contemporaneous. Look in the moment. I'd actually have to leave and confirmed, but he was making a very good case for himself. And I thought a compelling case for himself. I thought he was sympathetic. I thought he was an interesting I thought it was a complicated guy didn't have much of a sense of humor at at the time for perhaps obvious reasons. But I just thought I thought this is an interesting guy. I'm like, I thought he made some good points offer. It's like no way. He's like don't. He's totally full of it. He's lying about everything, of course, in January of two thousand fourteen they settled the arbitration of the I think he wound up with one hundred sixty four game suspension. It was quote unquote reduced, but I. It remains the highest suspension the history biggest suspension history of the game. And then I kept emailing the publicist and emailing. You guys want to do this interview you want to do this? And for like, seven months, I interview I emailed them in the and Alex wasn't wasn't interested in doing this story. But in October of two thousand fourteen we heard from Tony Tony was interested. And once you meet Tony and then the following year. I met Puerto Fisher who reached out through Email via Tim L Frank which was kind of wild. When the three main figures in this extraordinary scandal, reach out, independent of each other to you you kind of feel like the universe is trying to tell you something. So we decided to do it. And when you meet, Tony, and you meet Puerto you realize, oh, this is the story. These guys are the story. Alex, Alex, isn't the story. He's a supporting character in this story. And and these guys actually were we met them, and they told us the truth. You know, they give us verifiable facts. Whereas, Alex, of course, everything he said, you know, daleks tells you the sky's blue you gotta look. Outside and talk to six scientists for before you publish that information. You know? So these guys told us the truth dirty guys told you the truth the guys who were a little orange the guys who were doing the unscrupulous things. It's not unlike Consejo coming through. He's the one who had all the information. He told the truth about every game. But he also had a credibility problem because he was doing things like you end up in jail over this you end up in jail in bef- racing. Yeah. Prison excuse me. And you can you explain to us how you get to the point of something that felt like relief where on on what side of this. Did you get where you were? Finally, like, okay, I'm past the darkness. Wow. The there was so many 'em phases throughout this whole thing. But where I felt the most relief was as crazy as it sounds. It was when I was sentenced to forty eight months. It was okay. It's over. That's it. This is my punishment. Did you think it was going to be worse than that? Or did you fear? It would be worse than that. After going through all the shit. And all the publicity that I'm going to be honest with. I'm very optimistic. I thought I was going to get a slap on the wrist oldest. Yeah. I thought I was going to. But you know, what in retrospect, and and it's funny. You know, we plan in and the man upstairs laps, and it it almost saved my life. I believe it really saved my life. Because my my diction was out of control. My lifestyle was out of control, and my moral compass was way off and so I needed this time out if you will. And so in in retrospect, I I have to in a weird way. Thank the prosecutor thing the jar. You cold Turkey in prison is that how that happened or Turkey. But that that is how you were able to get off of. Well, I did I did go to rehab before. I I did a detox program, and then I went on and did a behavior modification program for addicts. And so on and so forth, but the monkey was stolen my back. You know, I had all all that pressure. I know I d- if I was going to go to prison or not, and you know, while I was in rehab. They told me we'll do this this way. We, you know, we'll get we're going to help you not not not go to prison, and you adopt point in time. My biggest fear was was going to prison. I've never been to prison before never even got an a DUI in my life. So it was this weighed on me, and and waited on on on my family, and I was hoping for for the best. But, you know, sometimes we don't we don't know what's best for us. And so I I truly believe that when I got those forty eight months, it's when I was able to breathe that Sira leaf. It was like, well, I'm gonna prison. I'm going as crazy. That's how crazy and out of control my life was where hey you going to prison. It was like, wow. Okay. Thank god. No cars waiting outside my house. No paranoia will not that kind of paranoia. I mean, there are all sorts of different. Now paranoia is that would arrive in prison. It doesn't feel like it would be very safe now twenty up in a camp in Alabama federal prison and was like low security. It was Campos. Minimum right. Minimum. Minimum. Yeah. So Tony is they're teaching. I believe in nutrition course, Thira I was well it was a working camp. You know, you had to work. I started out teaching the. GD courses like math science reading for those that were there that needed to passer g the and we've it within that time. I did teach a little nutrition here and there, and then he was also in prison with Jeff skilling from the Enron scandal. Who is teaching business, correct? At the prison end. Jesse Jackson junior who is teaching policy in prison for political. This wasn't as dangerous as I imagined in my head. This was a little it was an educational it was educational, but that. Listen, the whole experience was terrible. When I was sentenced I didn't surrender to the camp. They didn't let me just go to camp I was held immediately. And so I went through the whole process where I was you know, incarcerated immediately, and then really have time and say vita my family, although I I was already prepared for something like this. And it was a little surprising that you know, I was held immediately. And then I had to go through the whole transfer system. So it was about three or four months later that actually got to my camp once there, I you know, I settled in and accept my fate tone. You said something earlier about like, you would aknowledge that you you did something wrong or took shortcuts. What is it that you think you did wrong? Why do you think you went to prison, or why did you think you deserved or needed to go? I mean other than of course to detox, but like an kind of reboot your life. Why do you think you went to prison? Well, the obvious reasons call what it is when I was doing was completely legal whose criminal in many aspects just the way that that it was done the whole method. What about the kids your high? School clients and the children and the kids and the parents, well, that's what got you in the real trouble. If you would have gotten a slap on the wrist of it had only been athletes, but once you do it with kids. That's what I thought. That's what got you into the real trouble. I agree with you. I agree with you. And I you might have gotten a slap on the wrist. If it had just been Manny, and Alex and not I don't think it would have ended up forty eight months, even though there were questions about whether or not you were a doctor. I'm I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to agree. I think that the my moral compass should've said, listen, I don't care if you're the parent, I'm not gonna treat your seventeen year old. Oh, but the doctor was making everybody great you're making everyone feel good. You're the guy who's getting everybody a little bit healthier a little more money, and the parents want it to it's funny. Most of these guests in the parents wanted it is crazy most these parents that brought me their kids wasn't so much to put him on a protocol to put him on a program. Ram? No there really had been drafted. But they had been using some type of performance enhancing substance from before and say, hey, can you clean up my kid 'cause you know, he's getting ready for the June draft, you know, help him mass. And I'm helping mask the situation, and I would say about sixty sixty five percent of the of of those underage kids. It was like that that that that was the cause. And then you had the other ones that. Yeah. Listen, I want to grow. I wa I wanna into the June draft. But nobody's going drive to five five five six scrawny. Little kid. No matter how good you are in baseball. And that's the truth of the matter. It's all eighty percent of visual. But nonetheless, that's where I should've said, listen, this is where I draw the line. No kids. All you had no line though. Right. There wasn't because they all went up his nose. Yeah.
"puerto fisher" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"He looked like he grimaced when I said that Alfred held onto a triple like like like there was a a sensitivity. There was he was so fragile about that. And like this was twenty years ago, whatever it was acute funny. Little story here about these two guys you've met before you know, that kind of thing and he looked sensitive to that. And and I was that told me a lot about. But that's what made me think he was an interesting character. Like a compelling character. He was making points about like, I never met. Tony bosch. Of course. This is he was telling everybody at that time to fear. He was in a battle of the legacies. He was trying to preserve his career. And is integral he was riding the lie right till the end three hat tricks through Commissioner's meetings, all of that stuff. Oh, he was going to go down fighting, or at least lying that was fat. And he didn't fact, but like he I he made the point like you notice that my game stats didn't improve after the time that this Bosch character claims that he was treating yada yada. So I like he was making these points at I couldn't verify contemporaneous. Look in the moment. I'd actually have to leave and confirmed, but he was making a very good case for himself. And I thought a compelling case for himself. I thought he was sympathetic. I thought he was an interesting I thought it was a complicated guy didn't have much of a sense of humor at at the time for perhaps obvious reasons. But I just thought I thought this is an interesting guy. I'm like, I thought he made some good points offer. It's like no way. He's like don't. He's totally full of it. He's lying about everything, of course, in January of two thousand fourteen they settled the arbitration of the I think he wound up with one hundred sixty four game suspension. It was quote unquote reduced, but I. It remains the highest suspension the history biggest suspension history of the game. And then I kept emailing the publicist and emailing. You guys want to do this interview you want to do this? And for like, seven months, I interview I emailed them in the and Alex wasn't wasn't interested in doing this story. But in October of two thousand fourteen we heard from Tony Tony was interested. And once you meet Tony and then the following year. I met Puerto Fisher who reached out through Email via Tim L Frank which was kind of wild. When the three main figures in this extraordinary scandal, reach out, independent of each other to you you kind of feel like the universe is trying to tell you something. So we decided to do it. And when you meet, Tony, and you meet Puerto you realize, oh, this is the story. These guys are the story. Alex, Alex, isn't the story. He's a supporting character in this story. And and these guys actually were we met them, and they told us the truth. You know, they give us verifiable facts. Whereas, Alex, of course, everything he said, you know, daleks tells you the sky's blue you gotta look. Outside and talk to six scientists for before you publish that information. You know? So these guys told us the truth dirty guys told you the truth the guys who were a little orange the guys who were doing the unscrupulous things. It's not unlike Consejo coming through. He's the one who had all the information. He told the truth about every game. But he also had a credibility problem because he was doing things like you end up in jail over this you end up in jail in bef- racing. Yeah. Prison excuse me. And you can you explain to us how you get to the point of something that felt like relief where on on what side of this..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Le Batard and Friends - South Beach Sessions
"Lose weight. Everybody was Ryan Braun. Manny. Ramirez the stories in the in the movie are hundred hundred cops hundred cop clients late people just in the community, and they were getting results, and they were telling their friends and their friends were coming to to be treated by by Tony Bosch that really happened. And so like, I said, I'm not going to sit here and defend myself, and I had two choices when I left prison when the second coming of Tony Bosch was going to happen. And I had to choice to run away from my password. Embrace my pass. I've never seen anybody grow from running away from their pass. So I made the choice to embrace what I did wrong. The short could site took who I was who I am now and move on and move. Also was there a -peutic for you to do it that way absolutely in this film, when when we were filming this film was very therapeutic because you weren't hiding anymore. You didn't have to be doing in the shadows. You could try and control some portion of your story or tried to or or try to. And a lease say the truth, and it's out there. And like I said after you see you made like me more, you may not like I want to ask Billy. I this is tough for documentarian. But I wanna like in the movie who do you think are the most interesting characters like who do you think are going to create the most polarizing opinions when people watch the movie well this incredible cast of characters right out of a Coen brothers movie. It's like, you know, Miami's America's CASA Blanca, so people flee here from all over the country and all over the world mostly from something illicit in their past, and they come here, and they almost create like the sort of like voltron of Florida career were they like they become like super criminal date like conspire with each other and come up with these cook these cockamamie schemes, which is what happened here when Puerto Fisher stole. Tony Bosch is records a a group of criminals than conspire to steal the stolen records. Not just sell them to the highest bidder. But sell them to every bitter, and any bitter who is willing to pay anything for that included. Major league baseball that include. Alex Rodriguez that included selling it back to Tony of necessary. Anybody willing to pay anything for it were very little moments of morality in screw and then feel like there were many in my opinion. I think who looks the worst in all of it is rob Manfred bud Seelig and major league baseball, in my opinion, the way they came down. Here reminded me a lot of like the NCW investigation involving university of Miami and Nevin Shapiro in high. We say like you come down to the swamp. You're gonna get dirty. You're going to get some mud of these these are enforcement arms that don't have any real power. Right. Like, no accountability. Apparently. And I mean, major league baseball started their own internal investigation division their own sort of FBI that would go out to the cities and investigate the chicanery. And they just they're a lot of them are ex cops from NYPD from Boston. And they just go do whatever they want. They seduced a former nurse of Tony's. They were sending flowers and gifts to Tony his girlfriend at the time. Well, not to me I wish there were to me if they would have. Send me flowers. I would actually public baseball was actually dealing in cash transactions. Something that was sweet. Sweet fund they have a slush fund, and they had they spent one hundred twenty thousand dollars cash in literally like a gym bag to a convicted felon in a diner in Palm Beach county. And are they going to ten ninety nine him? What what exactly is MLB doing running around with that kind of cash and paying for what they knew were stolen medical records from a convicted felon. I mean what what was the plan there? And we interview an investigator from the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who said that the behavior of major league baseball investigators in the state of Florida was illegal. They unquestionably engaged in illegal behavior broke the laws of the state of Florida with absolutely zero consequent nobody was behaving by legal motives like who was who was doing anything yet. We'll listen every time like someone's your these new stories like fake doctor found in Hialeah faked. Doctor found Little Havana, I'm like that's not news news would be real doctor found in Hialeah. He'll doctor. Well, it's like this is part of the culture. Down here, you know, like people injecting fix a flat into women's bottoms to give them Brazilian. You know bootleg Brazilian Butler. You know, and like this is just part of the culture. I think it's I think it's part of the multi-culture I should say down here. Part of the reason is that there are people who are doctors in their home country. And because we have such a diverse community p people do feel comfortable going to doctors who were who may not be licensed physicians in the state of Florida in the United States. But were in fact, doctors, you know, back in the in their home country, then there's also an idea that a lot of Miami exists in what I like to call the gray market economy. We expect that that everybody will have sort of a shady side. Speaking of the shadiness of Tony like once you were getting swallowed by this. No. But when you were getting swallowed by this, and you were suffering. It you were trying to you know, shell game it with dollars. Like, what was the worst of it when you felt oh, this is out of my control? Now, this has gotten away from me. Now, this is going to be a problem for me. I'll tell you what I'll tell you a specific story. That I actually said to myself. Okay. This is this is gotten to ridiculous. It's got an a out of control, and it was one time in and it would happen quite often. But this one time in particular, I remember leaving my house. I was living in the grove at that time. I think it was one of the safe houses that because I was being moved around. Right. So it was one of the safe houses that I use. It was in coconut grove, and I left
"puerto fisher" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"Also was there a -peutic for you to do it that way absolutely in this film, when when we were filming this film was very therapeutic because you weren't hiding anymore. You didn't have to be doing in the shadows. You could try and control some portion of your story or tried to or or try to. And a lease say the truth, and it's out there. And like I said after you see you made like me more, you may not like I want to ask Billy. I this is tough for documentarian. But I wanna like in the movie who do you think are the most interesting characters like who do you think are going to create the most polarizing opinions when people watch the movie well this incredible cast of characters right out of a Coen brothers movie. It's like, you know, Miami's America's CASA Blanca, so people flee here from all over the country and all over the world mostly from something illicit in their past, and they come here, and they almost create like the sort of like voltron of Florida career were they like they become like super criminal date like conspire with each other and come up with these cook these cockamamie schemes, which is what happened here when Puerto Fisher stole. Tony Bosch is records a a group of criminals than conspire to steal the stolen records. Not just sell them to the highest bidder. But sell them to every bitter, and any bitter who is willing to pay anything for that included. Major league baseball that include. Alex Rodriguez that included selling it back to Tony of necessary. Anybody willing to pay anything for it were very little moments of morality in screw and then feel like there were many in my opinion. I think who looks the worst in all of it is rob Manfred bud Seelig and major league baseball, in my opinion, the way they came down. Here reminded me a lot of like the NCW investigation involving university of Miami and Nevin Shapiro in high. We say like you come down to the swamp. You're gonna get dirty. You're going to get some mud of these these are enforcement arms that don't have any real power. Right. Like, no accountability. Apparently. And I mean, major league baseball started their own internal investigation division their own sort of FBI that would go out to the cities and investigate the chicanery. And they just they're a lot of them are ex cops from NYPD from Boston. And they just go do whatever they want. They seduced a former nurse of Tony's. They were sending flowers and gifts to Tony his girlfriend at the time. Well, not to me I wish there were to me if they would have. Send me flowers. I would actually public baseball was actually dealing in cash transactions. Something that was sweet. Sweet fund they have a slush fund, and they had they spent one hundred twenty thousand dollars cash in literally like a gym bag to a convicted felon in a diner in Palm Beach county. And are they going to ten ninety nine him? What what exactly is MLB doing running around with that kind of cash and paying for what they knew were stolen medical records from a convicted felon. I mean what what was the plan there? And we interview an investigator from the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who said that the behavior of major league baseball investigators in the state of Florida was illegal. They unquestionably engaged in illegal behavior broke the laws of the state of Florida with absolutely zero consequent nobody was behaving by legal motives like who was who was doing anything yet. We'll listen every time like someone's your these new stories like fake doctor found in Hialeah faked. Doctor found Little Havana, I'm like that's not news news would be real doctor found in Hialeah. He'll doctor. Well, it's like this is part of the culture. Down here, you know, like people injecting fix a flat into women's bottoms to give them Brazilian. You know bootleg Brazilian Butler. You know, and like this is just part of the culture. I think it's I think it's part of the multi-culture I should say down here. Part of the reason is that there are people who are doctors in their home country. And because we have such a diverse community p people do feel comfortable going to doctors who were who may not be licensed physicians in the state of Florida in the United States..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Only A Game
"Then a month we paid back. I was like, okay. You can't understand the deal that porter and Tony Bosch made for four thousand dollars. It's probably because the deal doesn't make any sense. You know, we've made a lot of sports documentaries and something like the u or the you park too. It's a pretty straightforward borderline paint-by-numbers exercise, not to belittle the. Angst of of making documentary. But the interview players interview coaches, they talk about games, and you show footage from those games. The thing screwball is not about sports. It's certainly sports Jason. But they might mention over the hour and forty minutes of the movie, they mentioned three different baseball games. There's one game against Kansas City after Tony Bosch starts treating a rod when he hits three home runs in that one game. I asked him how he felt he says, you know, I feel like I'm eighteen again. I don't know what fuel you put in there. But whatever it is just keep on putting it that's seconds out of the whole thing. So we realized we all of this story takes place in nightclubs and locker rooms and hotels, and in these shady clinics, and so there's no footage of that. And then listening to the way Tony Bosch told a story and Puerto Fisher told the story who are our two primary narrators I said old they're so vivid in the moment when they tell the story, they do it. For example, I walked into his office. And I said I want my money. So what I'll have him. Tony. This isn't a game. I want my money back your way behind I want my money. I'm Dr twenty mosh. What are you going to do about it? Both of them spoke like in dialogue. So take me to the moment. When you have the idea to use actors to help you tell this story. I mean where were you and? What made you think of that drunk? I was drunk obviously, say, oh, well, we could drunk history. This okay, we need to pause here for a second to explain drunk history. It started out on YouTube..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Only A Game
"Tony Bosch up and say, I want to put you in a movie, how'd that go down? It's almost crazier than the rod thing. Believe it or not this was almost exactly a year after we had met with Alex Rodriguez. And now we get a call from Tony Bosch who says I'd like to meet with you and discuss the possibility of doing a documentary and after several meetings in a couple months Tony goes to federal prison. He will be eligible for a reduced sentence. If he continues to cooperate. Anthony, Bosch sentenced to forty eight months in federal prison. Once again, we decided to move on and backburner this project and believe it or not not even a month after that. I get an Email from Tim L Frank who is the investigative reporter who broke the scandal. He said, listen, I got a call from Puerto Fisher who was the whistle blower, and he would like to talk to you about the possibility of doing a documentary, and I was like, I'm not a very spiritual guy. And but I I just pause, and I said if ever the universe was trying to tell us something, I mean, the three central figures in this epic international baseball scandal all independent of each other called us. Somebody is trying to tell us to make this documentary. And we decided you right, then and there Tony got out of prison, and we interviewed Puerto Fisher we interviewed Tony Bosch and quickly realized from talking to them that you know, the story is not about a rod don't tell him that. But it's not about a-rod. You know, it's. Really about this Omori Leonard coral hyacinth, Coen brothers, esque, Florida, f- are-, I'll say for terrestrial radio that was a story to us was this these crazy characters, and and the fact that the career of the highest paid baseball player in history was ended over a four thousand dollar dead between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient that to me was the story. And so that's the story that we alternately pursued and told in scruple give me four thousand and I'll give you back forty eight hundred away of twelve hundred bucks every week..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Pure Nonfiction: Inside Documentary Film
"And then when you listen to Tony Bosch in Puerto Fisher, our two primary interview subjects speaking, you realize that the tell stories in the most vivid way possible, and they perform dialogue. I said I want my money. He said, I don't have the money. I said, well, you better get my money. He said go pound sack. Band. And so, but they both did that they both had that was just natural wasn't. You're coaching them. They just they just end like, oh, we could drunk history. This a drunk history being the comedy central show where they get somebody drunk, and they relate a story of history. And then they reenact it with actors lip synching the dialogue of the drunk person. And so I'm like, they'd give us all the dialogue, David sipc, and our other partner, Iraq untorn, I sat and wrote the script crafted the interviews into the story wrote the script on based on the well, the recreate all the ones we wanted to do. We didn't get alternately the budget in the schedule would not allow for all of them. But we wrote our dream scripts, and we said, and I said, but all the actors will be eight nine and ten years old, and we'll put them in with fake facial hair lab coats police uniforms pinstripes for the aunties, and they'll just be lip synching the dialogue from directly from our interview. Subjects and works six ordinary. I mean, you obviously put a lot of effort into something that could've really not worked like our whole careers. It could have gone sideways, and so many different ways we had a very very limited budget, very very tight schedule working with children and not only working with children, but children who are not act. They are lip synching. So it's a whole other level of skill that, I would assume that most child actors have not had to deal with and part.
"puerto fisher" Discussed on Pure Nonfiction: Inside Documentary Film
"Former patient of Tony Bosch porter Fisher, Tim rights being says, hey, listen porter Fisher has asked for your contact info. He'd like to discuss the possibility of of doing a documentary. Can I give him your info? I said sure. And so we met now with porter and now in less than two years, so basically between twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen through all three of the main actors or a main characters in this international scandal had independent of each other reached out to us to discuss the possible. Of doing documentary, and we couldn't help but feel that despite my my my lack of spirituality that the universe was trying to tell us something. And this was probably a story that we should we should pursue. Now. Ultimately, you had wait sometime for Tony Bosch to get out of prison in order to interview. Well, what had happened was his sentence had gotten reduced in the in the meantime, and so once we had this meeting with porter we said, well, if we could get porter, and we could interview Tony than we have a documentary here. And so Billy wrote a letter to Tony Tony Robak saying actually, I'm getting out in three weeks. I'm going to be a halfway house in Miami being released halfway house. And I'll be able I was going to visit him in Alabama was in a federal camp in Alabama where he was teaching nutrition. His fellow inmates. And in fact, doing protocols for the guards in his inmates based on the supplements vitamins, you could obtain at the commissary in guys wanted weight loss or muscle building. He would always writing protocols and also at the prison say they prisoners criminal college. And so in this case turned out to be true because one of his one of his other inmates at the federal prison camp was Jeffrey Skilling of Enron fame who apparently was teaching business and some sort of economics courses and Jesse Jackson junior. Was there teaching some sort of political science course? So Joni says, let's let's get together and revisit this conversation. We had at that point less than two years earlier. And once we met Puerto Fisher, and Tony Bosch, it became abundantly clear that they were the story that a-rod was at best supporting character in the scandal. And that the real conflict in the real drama and the real comedy was born. Out of the fact that the highest paid baseball player in history. His career was ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient that like that was clearly the story that was most compelling most entertaining in the one that we ultimately wanted to tell I always described this film as being akin to the crime comedies of an Elmore. Leonard door, Carl hyacinth and and. I wonder if you see that those are two of my literary heroes growing up on the skewed Florida. Take of Carl hiaasen is certainly I think shape both mind Billy's perspective is nonfiction columns when we were kids. Yeah. And we constantly refer to south Florida's sunny place for shady people. I frequently tweet articles about schemes and scams out of Miami..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on KTKR 760AM
"Ending, you know. Goes down who's in drag who's gene hat. You're you're you're talking about Tony Bosch who is at the center of all of us who's the one who is dispensing all of the the steroids. Using his dad's scrip paper pad to legit doctor, legit doctor. And then this fellow porter Fisher who is just a I don't know. What what what are you describe him the one who is the one who gave the who stole the essentially took the documents from Tony Bosch would just let it lying around the biogenesis office took them and sent them to the press because he was pissed about not getting four thousand dollars back. You know, it's a chunk of change nice chunk of change. But even Tony Bosch in your documentary said he wishes he had paid that money to avoid everything else that had happened. It's insane. I think I'm more interested in hearing. How you describe Puerto Fisher after having watched the Vikings. Just be a sad figure who's just looking for some sort of relevance. You know, I that's what I found it be in these documents, and he took these documents from so he stole the documents from Tony Bosch, and then the documents were stolen from him and sold not just to the highest bidder. But every better I mean, anybody willing to pay anything for them, and including major league baseball who paid one hundred twenty five thousand cash in a diner out of some slush fund, I presume, I don't think they were going to ten ninety nine. The convicted felon that they were buying these knowingly stolen documents from I don't know where MLB gets a slush fund from but let but so be it. I don't know if they were hustle either. Rob Manfred was in charge of this entire investigation. But listen you go down to Miami. I mean when you roll around in the swamp, you're gonna get some motto. You know what? I mean, they played down. There. You gotta you gotta root this thing out. I mean. In in in a way to 'cause everybody was saying, you know, how does how does the NFL not get the TMZ tapes of all these players that that TMZ has the tapes. And the reason why they're they're not gonna take some sort of could you imagine if the NFL nobody trusts what it is. It's the same. Could you imagine if the NFL took a slush fund and gave it to somebody who for whatever their reason wanted to leak this tape when they had no right to could you imagine you're assuming they do that. They don't otherwise. Billy. They don't because otherwise they'd have the tape. Well, Harvey Levin does a here's what what they did these convicted felons while they're selling MLB, the stolen documents for cash in a diner. They had a buddy at another table with an iphone filming the transaction. So that they can sell the video of the transaction to a-rod Disney like, hey, you can then release this, and they wound up route one getting scared about this and they deleted from the hard drive. And but but a rod bought a blank hard-drive from them for six figures, we have the wire transfer. It's in the documentary and the an era allegedly spent thousands more sending the hard drive around the world to data recovery services to try to get this deleted footage back and unfortunately couldn't. And so we got footage America's sweetheart Alison is hysterical. Listen, I don't he was desperate and any geek group in Miami. Sunny place for shady people. You know, he's gonna it rubs off on you and the type of characters you surround yourself doing the fact that when you think about the career of the highest paid baseball player in history effectively ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake, doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient just kind of wonderful, by the way, Billy Corgan you. I mean, find point on me stuck the landing on that one. And and that's why you're talking it's called screwball. And I guess we kind of buried lead, which is a great way to finish up. Our conversation here is there's so many stories that required reenactment because you don't have the footage. Obviously of Tony Bosch talking to Puerto Fisher war porter Fisher to who was a sky. Right. I mean, you don't have these these these moments documented with film. So you recreated them using children. Oh my God. I can't I mean, wh why did you think I have a theory as to why I guess you set it at the very big. Ginning, but. Some of the things these guys are saying it sounds like they're five years old. And use us kids were like literally what eight ten twelve years ten. Yeah. Right around there. The most foul things. Modelling. Now, Alvin you're using Tony Bosch is sit down interview off camera. But on camera the kids mouthing wearing hairpieces and dressed up facial hair. Yeah. And we have to remember like when we make sports documentaries. Like the u thirty for thirty for example. I don't mean to knock our hustle. It's still documentaries or a challenge to make. But the formulas clear you talk to sportspeople sports. People talk to you about sports games, you go get footage of sports games and put sports game footage on top of sports people talking about sports. That's that's how it goes here. This wasn't about sports. Yeah. It was baseball adjacent. But all these events occur in some shady fake doctor's clinic in a locker room at a hotel at a bar and nightclub for example, live in Miami Beach, the fountain blue, and so what do you do? There's no footage show. We did re-creations when you were going to have to and I was listening to the character's talking during the interviews. Tony and porter who don't like each other. Spoiler alert. They have a very similar way of talking talking dialogue there like I walked into his office. And I said, where's my money? And he said, I don't have your money. And I said you get my money, and he's just about it. And I'm like, I appreciate you cleaning up the conversation. But I realize we could drunk history this because they're talking so we have. Gers lip sync the dialogue, but the actors will all be eight nine ten years old. And not only did did it strike me that they all acted like children, but he kind of works for me on multiple layers. Not the least of which is is that, you know, Tony Bosch ultimately, and rightfully so went to federal prison for not only treating professional athletes high school kids as well, whose parents and coaches brought them to Tony Bosch to try to get an advantage in the in the draft. And so that combined with the fact that like I said in the end we deal with this a little bit. The these athletes are heroes and role models to young children, and they're sending a message loud and clear and the kids are getting it because I do QNA's with some of the actors the young actors from the movie who answer the question of the audience when they say, what is the moral of the story. What did you learn? What are we supposed to glean from all this Brian Blanco the young kid who plays? Tony Bosch in the lab coat and everything he says, oh, I know. I know you don't have to raise your hand. It's a it's all yours. Do the floor is yours. He's ted. And what are you gonna do? He said lie cheat and steal. And that's how you win. Oh, no. And I'm like, and when it comes from him, it's a little more depressing than what I say it. But the truth is this is these are the lessons that were teaching children. Now, I mean who wanted this? I know obviously, Alex is a totally new life in a new reputation and he's living at and he's living at well. But Tony Bosch is a convicted felon. I didn't see I didn't look at anybody in this movie and say these people have one, you know, I mean, and and I honestly not not a single person comes off like. Anything positive in a way in this whole situation. Although again, I I don't blame baseball for doing whatever the heck it needed to do to move. This thing out. That's that's my belief. But just seeing at the end of this thing and Pedro Gomez came off. I guess. He's the only one by the way the child who plays him. So look Billy. This is this is just this is truly something else, man. But last one for you here, did did you believe Tony Bosch me because the guy's using the still referring people he was treating his patients. I mean, come on. Now, the did you did they goes to jail. The obviously he's got a story to tell. But he also has I'll tell you one person who believes in Tony Bosch is Tony Bosch that man has a lot of self confidence. And despite the fact that he went to medical school in Belize, what one of our interview subjects refers to as the belief school of the medical in performing arts. He he very much is a true believer in his own ability. I will tell you this guy didn't do at traditional advertising because this was very much a grey market business at best. He he's thrived on word of mouth, and he got that word of mouth because he got results for his clients. So he was doing something right now. I'll tell you what are the epilogues. We didn't get to do in the in the movies ran out of time and money, but Tony winds up in minimum security federal prison camp in Alabama. And he's there. Teaching nutrition to his fellow inmates. Jeff skilling from Enron is their business to their fellow come on. Jesse Jackson junior is in prison. They teaching political science and civics fell inmates. And yeah, I mean, listen, we're just trying to Maga trying to make a rod great again. That's what we're trying to. Dr Hannibal Lecter is teaching a class on yards. Arts. Oh my gosh. Billy. Thanks for coming on..
"puerto fisher" Discussed on KTKR 760AM
"I guess has been on the show before when he was promoting the documentary cocaine Cowboys a few years ago, his thirty for thirty on the u is some mossy stuff so is screwball. The documentary film about the biogenesis scandal from his native, Miami, Florida. Good to see you Billy Corgan. How are you brother? I'm great. Thanks. So let's get into this thing right here. This documentary is about the Tony Bosch scandal. That got a rod a year's suspension. Manny Ramirez got popped and milky Cabrera got popped. Why did you make this documentary? Billy actually in November of two thousand thirteen we were pitched by Alex Rodriguez. Okay. So this you're laughing already at that. What? Okay. 'cause they can this documentary is not very what's the word for. It's not very complimentary to Alex Rodriguez getting an invitation to the wedding. If that's what you mean. Right. Yeah. But it's also extremely accurate. It's all very true. It's all exactly how it happened. I mean, the stories are being told by Tony Bosch or Dr Tony Bosch. Quotes who is the one who is at the center of all of this. And his dad was the one who was writing the prescriptions for these drugs and an also the fellow Puerto Fisher who was the one who leaked the documents, so whistle blower, the whistle blower, and these guys are telling the story from their own first person and your unique way in which you you have them tell their stories we'll get to in a second. But this is absolutely straight from the horse's mouth that we're seeing right here. Yeah. Person. Why did Alex Rodriguez pitch you this idea in November of two thousand thirteen he was in the midst of the arbitration with MLB he was the only one of the players involved in the biogenesis scandal that appealed his suspension? I guess why not what do you have to lose? It was the longest suspension in the history of the game. So no eleven games went for it. And so each a break from that arbitration and came down to his office in Coral Gables in the suburbs, very affluent suburb of Miami where the university of Miami's actually located Alex Rodriguez field is located and his public. Hit me up and said, Alex would like to meet with you to discuss the possibility of doing a tell all documentary, and I was like hell, yeah. I'll take that meeting. I thought we were gonna do it real hush. Hush quiet at his office. And it turns out they wanted to meet us on a weekday at high noon at the most popular restaurant in town like the power lunch. Spot of Coral Gables, which is like two miles from UM, which it any anywhere. I'm gonna get recognized because of the documentaries. It's going to be place that proximity to UM. And so it was very clear that my producing partner Alfred spellman, and I attended that event as like pawns in Alex's kind of PR offensive against MLB at the time. You remember it was like they were in a battle of the legacies and Alex. Yeah. There is a a whole story about how the protesters outside were actually paid for by Alex Rodriguez on earth that was ever absolutely mentored. Okay. So yeah. And it was it was ugly. There was no other way to describe it. I think initially baseball has become like, I think everything else in American life, including politics. It's the WWE and back when bud C-league the steroid Commissioner was on his way out the door on the eve of his retirement was kind of like, well, maybe I should do something about this. Now that this scandal has erupted in two thousand thirteen he talks to his second command. Rob Manfred says let's look like we're doing something about this. So they come down to Miami had this farcical investigation that involves the MLB investigators. They have like this internal FBI of like former cops they go. They sleep with a former nurse of Tony Bosch at one of his clinics. They're paying people off they got a slush fund of one hundred twenty five thousand grand that they're buying stolen medical records in a diner from convicted felon. The whole thing is just utter. Utterly absurd. And then they nail Alex because what bigger scalp can you get? And then bud retires. Rob Manfred takes over and he goes, well, what's the story line? Now, what better than to make a he'll a hero and bring back not only a-rod, but but Charlie hustle to the game to become commentators and Pete Rose in who's out there anymore, of course. But like work, I mean, it's the bottom line company. And it's a brilliant storyline. Are you saying major league baseball was orchestra has orchestrated? To to well, what used to be two fifths of the people on the set of FOX baseball. Is that what you're saying? I'm saying that it's it's awfully convenient. And it's awfully brilliant. I think Alex is spectacularly good at that job, his hustle at all. And so he's he's earned that position. He certainly lightened up. He's a lot funnier. A lot more self effacing. I'm certainly more. So than the guy net for lunch in two thousand thirteen who was in a battle for his life. His legacy his career his livelihood. And he spent an hour hour and a half just lying, right? Your faces about everything ever meeting. Tony Bosch ever cheating or using performance enhancing drugs at that stage of his career. It was a pretty wild meeting and needless to say after that we didn't hear back much from them. I was gonna ask you Bill. The director of screwball about the biogenesis scandal. Again in theaters Friday and numerous streaming platforms the following Friday after that, well, how did the meeting with Iran finish up? I mean, what happened just more lies, basically? And so we walked away. I thought he was a fascinating guy really fragile guy a sensitive guy at the time not much of a sense of humor or sell any sense of self awareness. But I thought what a compelling character to be able to examine to interview. And I emailed them for the next six seven eight months, the the arbitration resolve in January of two thousand fourteen he got a sentence reduction if he will but still a season long suspension. And so by the middle of two thousand fourteen it seemed obvious that they were not really interested in participating in an interview or documentary. And and why not at the strategy has paid off this whole kind of head in the sand ignored. And it'll go away strategy has certainly worked for them. I think it's one of the most remarkable. Image rehabilitations in the history of public relations. It's not just that though. I mean, he had he did come out. And when he did show back up with the with the Yankees, he came out and threw himself basically on on the the sword. I mean, he did come out and give a complete total mayor culpa. He went made fun of himself on the stage of the SP's. I mean, he has had as you pointed out, you said, no sense of humor about himself or anything like that. He has seen to take a total reverse pivot on how he has portrayed himself or how he has taken on what he did. Absolutely. Who who? Okay, you taking. Much of a mayor culpa, Tori. I didn't really acknowledge what he did. Or didn't do what he lied about. The other players like Ryan Braun that he threw under the bus that his camp deliberately leaked in order to take some of the attention away from him in the thick of the scandal. I don't think he really fessed up to it. I don't think did he ask you. I mean, obviously doesn't have to. But I'm just saying I don't think he really did any kind of a comprehensive apology our discussion about I think how profoundly disappointing it was for legions of of young kids who look up to these athletes as heroes and role models. So then somebody who did speak with him when he was at a low point. Yeah. And then as you point out, you think you were used as a prop or used in a certain way, particularly on totally cool with that name right in page six. Thank you. Thank you. She was publicised. This is all just setting up the the ultimate question. And I think a lot of fans are wondering hearing this. If they already weren't wondering it to begin with who's the Alex Rodriguez that we're seeing today, I think a liberated man I think this was a guy who was kind of trapped by his own kind of failed persona in baseball. Who was booed by fans in baseball, never really a beloved pop culture figure a guy who was almost in a way, liberated when he hit rock bottom in this scandal. And now feels free to I hope this him. Meaning like, I think maybe that this is the, you know, the person he was always supposed to be always wanted to be but felt constrained by fame and fortune. And of course, when you're generating that kind of revenue over four hundred million dollars over a career, you have so many people around you who rely on you. And so you don't really have a chance to kind of free yourself and go out in public and feel like you can joke around. And just be you. And I think I think it's liberating for someone to be out of the game. Like the only game. He's the only thing he's ever known. The only thing he's ever been told these good at and the interesting thing about screwball as it turns out. It's not about Alex Rodriguez. Don't tell him that. But it's not about a rod. It's about these bizarre Elmore. Leonard Carl hyacinth almost Coen brothers esque characters to create way to put an habit. This only in Miami kind of world, and it's the weirdest birdcage I've ever seen. Bizarre. And you can't make it up because it's it's it's nonsense. Family.
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"So it is a black guy on on Manfred legacy and should be. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. 'cause I mean both of those guys were complicit in what was going on. But I feel like Manfred is not so much associated with it so much, but ceiling has been right, and he paid a price for it by becoming the next Commissioner base. Correct light lie cheat steal, and you can be a a pop culture sensation superstar retired baseball player turned broadcaster like sheet steel, and you can become the Commissioner of multi billion dollar monopoly. Major league baseball. Lie cheat and steal and YouTube kids could someday be the president of the United States Maga baby. I could talk to you about this all day long. Just one more question. So obviously, we talked about this a little bit earlier that all of this has been verified, these are facts all these things happened. And I asked us Irving, Jerry. What in this film? If I'm seeing this for the first time, and I'm well read on this. If I see for the first time, what am I finding out that I didn't already know Jesus. Well, some of the, you know, it's told entirely by Tony Bosch and porter Fisher who was the whistle blower who who loaned from time. For who? Bonnie. Oh, yeah. He wound up serving. He was sentenced to four years served about two okay of those years. So he is out and we interviewed him in Puerto Fisher. Like, I said, the whistle blower who loaned Tony the four thousand dollars which I can only surmise when directly up his nose. Not I don't even know that he bought cocaine with it. He just snorted the four thousand dollars cash, and so it's like entirely by those guys plus a couple of journalists, and like I said the investigator the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who was investigating this phony clinic, and this and this unlicensed physician that Tony Bosch was is. And so I think that you I think. You'll be surprised by the Florida fucker of it. All I think you'll be surprised because we tell it in this very Carl hyacinth Elmore. Leonard ITO Cohen brothers s kind of heist movie with eight year old children as the adults, you know on. So I think that there are a million details that you will not have been privy to. And I think the important one is that it's not about a rod not Iran is just a supporting character, he was collateral damage in this whole thing and you'll you'll probably come to realize or at least get some new insight into why we're so utterly dysfunctional down there in Florida. But like, I always say L as where you go. When you wanna be somebody New York is where you go when you are somebody, and Miami's where you go when you wanna be somebody else. It's just always been a sunny place for shady people. I have never heard that one before the film is called screwball. Billy corbin. Thank you so much for coming on when can people that are listening to this CD film for the first time. Well, people are in New York and hearing it Saturday. Can go. I don't know when they're going to be hearing this but Saturday November tenth at the SBA theater in west twenty third street at the dock NYC festival. Just go to doc NYC dot net. Otherwise baseball season babies spring training for sometime between sometime before opening day in spring of twenty nineteen. Yeah. Nothing. Nothing says star baseball season like some needles and some some untruths Billy. Thank you for coming on. Really? Appreciate really looking forward to seeing the film. Thanks for having me. I big thanks to Billy Corgan for stopping by starting nine. That was really fun interview. Guerrilla got into I feel like I could've kept talking to the guy for like another fucking our it was really going conversation. Go on. My love is work. I feel like this is a guy who's really after getting the answers. You know, he's really after till the story. So. Yeah. Yeah. I bet you are. The love that story telling us just love that we need to get like an advanced screening. I'd love to like watch that shit. I wanna wait wait until I marched to watch that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll ask them. Hey, yes, sir. Got some Twitter questions from ground. Yes, we do. And for those for those of you who like peek behind the curtain..