35 Burst results for "Proud Boys"
AP News Radio
2 more Oath Keepers sentenced to prison terms for Jan. 6 Capitol attack
"Two more members of the oath keepers were sentenced for their roles in the capitol riot. Army veteran Jessica Watkins was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Another army veteran, Kenneth harrelson, received a four year sentence. They were acquitted of the most serious charge seditious conspiracy, harrelson was the group's ground team lead on the day of the riot. Watkins formed a separate Ohio based militia group, recruiting people to join. Watkins cheerfully apologized and described herself as just another idiot running around the capitol on January 6th, harrelson broke down in tears as well, saying he has totally demolished his life a day earlier, the leader of the proud boy, Stuart Rhodes, was sentenced to 18 years in prison for seditious conspiracy. The longest sentence yet in a capitol riot case. Ed Donahue Washington
AP News Radio
Attorneys for Oath Keepers founder react to 18-year sentence
"Oath keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has become the 1st January 6th defendant convicted of seditious conspiracy to receive his punishment. A federal judge has sentenced roads to 18 years in prison, the longest sentence given in any of the hundreds of capital riot cases. Prosecutors said roads led a week's long plot to keep Donald Trump in power, which in turn led to the oath keepers attacking the capitol. They argued for a 25 year sentence, saying roads remains a threat to democracy. Roads told the judge, he's a political prisoner whose only crime is opposing those who are destroying the country. The sentence will set the standard as more extremist group members receive their own punishments, former Proud Boys, chief Enrique tarrio and other leaders will be sentenced in months to come. Washington
AP News Radio
Police officer charged with lying about leaks to Proud Boys leader
"A Washington police officer has been arrested and charged with lying about leaking confidential information to an extremist group leader. In indictment alleges Metropolitan Police lieutenant Shane lamothe ward, former Proud Boys leader at rique tarrio two years ago that there was an arrest warrant for tarrio related to group members destroying a Black Lives Matter banner. Le Mans also charged with obstruction. Tarrio was convicted earlier this month on seditious conspiracy charges related to the capitol riot. Jurors in that trial, her testimony that Le Mans often gave tarrio internal information about law enforcement operations, leading up to the riot, Sagar Meghani, Washington.
Dennis Prager Podcasts
The Truth About Sedition Charges for Proud Boys
"So I was asking you, how are these sentences a justified for Proud Boys oath keepers? Sedition, by the way, when was sedition used since the Civil War was it ever used? The last time the government tried to charge Americans with seditious conspiracy was in 2010 in a case the Hu to read tribe in Michigan. And the federal judge up there laughed it out of court, what's interesting in this 183 page sentencing memo Dennis is that there's so little case law. They're so to compare sentences with to make sure that the sentences are comparable. They actually had to mention terrorists involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed four people, was tied directly to foreign terrorist cells. That was one of their first comparisons. This is who they're comparing a man like Thomas all while too. Or Kelly megs or they will compare Joe Biggs. And Enrique tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys, who is convicted of seditious conspiracy who? Uh oh, we're experiencing technical problems. It's hard to believe I am witnessing what I never entertained as a possibility in the United States.
Dennis Prager Podcasts
Trump-Appointed Judge Sends Non-Violent Capitol Rioters to Prison
"And you say he was a Trump appointee? Absolutely was. He was appointed in 2017. Who recommended him to Donald Trump? Do you have any idea? The federalist society probably, I don't know if it was the Mitch McConnell. They should come out and say, we are ashamed and I'm not saying I blame them, but they need to say we're ashamed of our recommendation. I mean, there has to be a way of at least moral censure yes. These judges might feel the study was a Soviet Union. These judges would have fit perfectly. In the totalitarian state. Do what the state wants. So I want to understand some of them never entered the capitol. None of them were armed. So they're getting 20 years in prison, which rapists and many murderers don't get. They're getting that because they plotted. Is that it? They didn't even plot. See, in the case of the Proud Boys, which had numerous FBI informants, by the way, run into that group months before January 6th, there were at least two who were on the ground with the group. One of the key informants is telling his FBI handler at the time when some of these breaches were occurring that the Proud Boys were not responsible, that there was no plan. There was no attack. Get this done is then there's a lot to this, but people can find on my work. This trial and case is so agregious. Is that the government first said there was a document called 1776 returns that this was the road map or the Proud Boys to attack the capitol and overthrow the government. All right, all right, hold it there. Let's come back to that document because I want everybody to hear the mechanics of the police state working.
Dennis Prager Podcasts
Proud Boys and Oath Keepers Face Severe Sentencing for Capitol Attack
"Why don't you tell us who was sentenced and what their sentences are or are likely to be? So in terms of the sentences for seditious conspiracy, four members of the Proud Boys were found guilty of that extremely rare statute that was established during the Civil War to stop the confederacy from overtaking the United States government. It has been weaponized to criminalize political dissent. Or Proud Boys found guilty of seditious conspiracy last week. You have numerous oath keepers who have also been convicted and or pleaded guilty to that charge. What happened to date after the verdicts were announced, Dennis is Matthew grace, the D.C. U.S. attorney posted a 183 page sentencing recommendation for the oath keepers, including Stuart Rhodes, its founder and leader. And the prison sentence is that Matthew graves wants the judge to approve. Matthew graves once 25 years in prison for Stuart Rhodes for being convicted of seditious conspiracy in other counts. 20 years in prison for another man, Kelly Meg, who went inside the building. Now keep in mind, short roads never went inside the building, none of them carried or used weapons. None of them assaulted police officers. These are strictly conspiracy and obstruction counts. And Dennis, what really turned my stomach is Matthew graves wanting 14 years in prison for a man named Thomas Caldwell, who is almost 70 years old, who is a decorated disabled navy lieutenant commander who used to have the highest security clearance. He also never went into the building. He was convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding, a post enhanced statute, by the way, and tampering with evidence. And these ghouls in the Department of Justice is particularly Matthew graves, the Biden campaign adviser and Biden appointee wants someone like Thomas Caldwell to die in prison. Because he was convicted by a D.C. jury of obstructing an official proceeding.
AP News Radio
Texas shooter's 'RWDS' patch linked to far-right extremists
"Authorities have not said what they believe might have motivated a man to shoot and kill 8 people at a Dallas area mall over the weekend, but one police official suggests that the shooter may have embraced the views of far right extremists. An official who wants to remain anonymous tells The Associated Press that social media accounts believed to have been used by 33 year old Mauricio Garcia appeared to have expressed an interest in white supremacist and neo Nazi views, Garcia was wearing a patch that read R wds short for right wing death squad. It's a phrase that has been embraced in recent years by far right extremists who glorify violence against their political enemies, one group that has adopted the term is the Proud Boys, smaller groups that participated in the white nationalist unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia in August 2017 were named right-wing death squad, Garcia, who opened fire at the mall on Saturday, was killed by a police officer. I'm Donna water
The Charlie Kirk Show
Julie Kelly's Bombshell Prediction About Trump's Criminal Indictment
"I am very excited to speak with our next guest Julie Kelly. She's a columnist at American greatness, and she has been covering what's been going on with this, you know, some might call it a fed erection, others might call it a witch hunt. I don't know. You take your pick. Better than anybody in the country. She is absolutely the expert. Julie, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Thank you for making the time. Hey, Andrew, so nice to see you. We text all the time, but it's nice to see you in person. Thanks for having me. Well, I appreciate it. So you have been doing humans work on this story and you've been really keeping us up today. I wanted to get you on on Friday. We text about it, but you had other things you had to get done, which for you, we will make the exception. I want to have you on today. Now, the reason I think it's important is not just because you're the great Julie Kelly, I think it's important because you made a prediction based on this case, what would happen to president Trump moving forward? It was a bombshell. I think we titled the podcast based on your prediction that day. I mean, it was quite an alarming thing. So let's just one step back before I'm just teasing that. What happened on Thursday and why is this case important and where were the controversies at? So the bombshell and I know people had a lot of difficulty and they have had difficulty Andrew with my predicting and warning them for months that this Department of Justice and now special counsel Jack Smith. I used quotations, air quotations for him. Will bring forward probably well, it will be a multi count criminal indictment against Donald Trump at some point this year. What happened Thursday was the conviction of four of 5 members of the Proud Boys, including their leader Enrique tarrio. On charges of seditious conspiracy. This is a post Civil War statue, Andrew, that had to apply to confederate soldiers or members of the confederacy who still wanted to overthrow the government of the United States.
AP News Radio
Veteran 'enamored' with Hitler gets 4 years for Capitol riot
"A military veteran was sentenced to four years in prison for storming the U.S. capitol. Hatchet speed from Virginia told an undercover FBI agent more than a year after the riot about his admiration for Adolf Hitler, calling him one of the best people that's ever been on this earth and told the agent about a plan to wipe out the nation's Jewish population. Prosecutors say speed joined the Proud Boys, was deeply worried about Joe Biden's presidency and believe false claims the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. Ed Donahue, Washington.
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"To influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion or to retaliate against government conduct, which it definitely was. So that takes roads to a 39. And when we go back to the table, moving up those 6 levels, moves all the way up to a range of 262 to 327 months. That's in the 20th, 25 years is basically smack dab in the middle of that. Right. But you probably wondering, hey, I thought the statutory maximum was 20 years. That is true. And we've told you that usually sentences are served concurrently rather than consecutively, except in rare cases. And the DoJ is saying, this is indeed a rare case, which girl say. The government respectfully requests that the court sentence roads and megs to terms of incarceration greater than 20 years, meaning that the terms of incarceration for seditious conspiracy would run consecutively to their terms of incarceration for obstruction of an official proceeding and slash or obstruction of justice. The court may sentence a defendant to a total term of incarceration greater than 20 years IE run the terms consecutively if the court determines that such a sentence is necessary to comply with the factors in 18 U.S. C section three 5 5 three a two, that is to reflect the seriousness of the offense to promote respect for the law to provide just punishment for the offense to afford adequate deterrence to criminal conduct and to protect the public from further crimes of the defendant. Yeah, so when I read that, if you would then ask for my prediction, I would say the government will take the exact same approach here. They will ask for 25 years for tarrio and 21 years for his lieutenant's Biggs nordine and route. It will be interesting if the DoJ departs from the oath keepers model because tarrio wasn't physically there. And as you point out, I don't think they will. I certainly don't think they should. No, he was on the phone. I mean, not the phone. They were on the encrypted voice chats. They were sending each other voice memos the whole time that tarrio was in command of his guys, even if he wasn't with them. So I don't see why that they should depart from it. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. And the judge here is Tim Kelly. He's a Trump appointee, but he's somebody I've appeared in front of is somebody we've shouted out before as a sensible real judge, right? So more or less. Yeah. And but before we get to plugging the Patreon bonus, I note that we are now at quarter of 6, we're 45 minutes after the deadline for taka Pena to tell us whether Donald Trump is going to testify or not. And he still is late turning in his homework because Donald Trump never turns his homework on time. Yeah, I think that that's notable, notable. I mean, it's interesting. Only because last week, when judge Kaplan said, you know, hey, have you heard from your client? Takino is adamant. He's like, I just, I can get it into you by 10 a.m.. We're not going to, you know, it's not going to happen. He's not coming here. This is ridiculous. It's not going to happen. And he had this sidebar, which was overheard by, I believe it was law and crime reporter, Adam klasfeld, where taka Pena said, he's not coming. This is ridiculous. He's definitely not coming. And here it is. After 5 and we don't know if he's coming. So he's not coming. No, he's not coming. But, you know, maybe we'll come back after the Patreon if this motion that says, all right, he's not coming. Is super awesome. And so now listeners stick around for the Patreon Botox on Hawaii. I promise you'll enjoy it. But if not, thank you so much for listening to the show. I had we will see you tomorrow. See you guys. You got
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"All, so that's why I did it. And then there's this one. And I think there was genuine concern as to where the country was headed. I mean, this was, you know, this is a case of an incumbent administration saying, you know, basically asserting that it could stay in place and had been down this road before I observed. I think it was on December 1st that you can't live in a world where the incumbent administration stays in power based on its view unsupported by specific evidence that there was fraud in the election. Well, that was then, and this is now. So Trump is already talking about pardoning all the insurrectionists and apologizing. The issuing an apology on behalf of the government for prosecuting them if he gets back to The White House. And in part, that's just because every lie, the right ever said about antifa and BLM turned out to be 100% true about the extremist thugs they hang out. But partly, these guys are just unhappy about these jury convictions because a lot of the theories used to prosecute organizers of mass violence on January 6th come perilously close to looking like a reason to prosecute the people who sent the mob there that day. Yeah. Yeah, and let's unpack that just briefly, because I think you're exactly right. So the 5 defendants here were Enrique tarrio, the former leader, and three of his top deputies, Ethan nordean, Zach real, and Joe Biggs, that those four were all represented by our old pal norm pattis, and they hit that on a great street right out. The hang along with a guy named Dominic pozole were charged with a bunch of crimes. They were charged with seditious conspiracy. That's 18 USC section 23 84. That was the top level crown. Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. That's 18 USC section 1512 K obstruction of an official proceeding. That's 1512. That's 18 USC 1512 C two, we've talked about that one before on the show because that's the charge that only one judge and the district court for the District of Columbia judge Carl Nichols had that idiosyncratic interpretation where he said it didn't apply because it had to include destruction of documents only to be reversed by the D.C. circuit and that will probably end up before the Supreme Court. I don't think you and I have both mentioned this Supreme Court is going to stick by Nichols interpretation. But it could, and that charge could be revisited, but I don't think that's likely. Anyway, also charged with conspiracy to impede an officer, 18 USC section three 72, with civil disorder, 18 USC section two 31, with deprecation of government property, 18 USC 1361 and width, common law assault and robbery. Pozole, who grabbed an officer's riot shield if you've seen the videos, right? Was convicted of the assault and the robbery, but not of the seditious conspiracy charge, right? And that's because he was in a slightly different position from the rest of the Proud Boys that he was charged with, right? So tarrio Biggs were deemed real. They were all organizers. They all knew each other, and Dominic pozole raised and, you know, sort of got away with it's my first day, excuse, right? Like the jury treated them differently. Try to be treated him differently. Let me just interrupt and point out that pozole not only stole the riot shield. He used it to break the window through which everybody poured in. Yeah, that's an excellent clarification. And so right the way I would say it kind of taking all of that together is that pozole was both more physically violent, but also more remote from the planning of what happened. On generous. Right. So, you know, some journalists out there have suggested that pozole was only included to make it look like the other guys were part of something more violent, but that doesn't seem to be particularly plausible to me. And the jury, you know, we've continued to say, juries are pretty good at their job and they were very discerning about that and they treated pozole differently than the other problems. Yes. Right. So to be clear, tarrio wasn't even in D.C. that day, since he'd been arrested earlier for stealing into facing a Black Lives Matter flag off a church in order to stay out of D.C.. But he was in contact with these guys the whole time. They had a plan to leave the rally early while Trump was still talking in March 200 guys down to the capitol to start shit and get the crowd riled up to breach the barriers and that's exactly what they did. Right. During the trial, tarrio is lawyers tried to pin the blame on Donald Trump. Tyra's lawyer said, it was Donald Trump's words. It was his motivation. It was his anger that caused what occurred on January 6th in your amazing and beautiful city. They want us to use Enrique tarrio as a scapegoat for Donald Trump at those in power. But as we said, juries are pretty smart. And the jury did the job. They did not buy that defense at all. No, they did not. Right. So let's talk sentencing. The government has not yet produced its memo recommending sentences for the Proud Boys because they were just convicted, right? But it has done so in the obviously parallel oath keepers case. And that just came out this week. It's pretty instructive that oath keepers memo of what the DoJ is likely to do here. Because remember, the oath keepers were convicted of the same basic set of crimes as the Proud Boys, the dishes, conspiracy, under U.S. 18 USC two three 84, extracting an official proceeding under 18 USC 1512, both of those which carry a maximum of 20 years in prison. And also conspiracy to impede an officer. So 18 USC three 72. That carries a lesser 6 year sentence. Yeah, and it's notable that that 180 page sentencing memorandum for the oath keepers. And by the way, that's a 180 real pages of dense text, right? It's not like 35 pages plus a 120 some of appendices. No, it's all analysis. It recommends 25 years for Stuart roads. The leader of the oath keepers, 21 years for his lieutenant Kelly mags, right? So you will recognize the witch number is bigger than the other, that 25 and 21 are more than 20. And we get to that lengthy sentence in two interlocking ways that are atypical for a prosecution and aggressive, right? And I think probably instructive of what's going to happen here to the Proud Boys. So first, we walk through the sentencing guidelines chart. We've done that a lot on the show, but as you know, what you do is you start off with the base offense level. You turn to the appropriate section of the sentencing manual. That's two J 1.2, which is the general category for obstruction of justice based offenses. You will probably not be surprised to learn that there is a section for insurrection based offenses. So you've got a two J 1.2 based offense level 14. Then the government adds 8 for the physical injury and property damage. It adds three for substantial interference with the administration of justice because, you know, a joint session of Congress had to be evacuated in the middle of certifying a presidential election, so right. Fair. Yeah, government that adds two for extensive preparation because there was. Adds four because roads was an organizer or leader, and then adds four because it actually resulted in the obstruction of justice, right? So that gets you to 33. And when we check the chart, that shows up, right? Level 33 as a recommended sentence of a 135 to a 168 months for someone with no prior criminal history, like roads here, which, again, hard to believe. So that's a ring from 11 to 14 years, which is way less than 20, right? The way in which we get to 20 is the second component because the government has also specifically moved for an upward departure. In the offense level to add 6 more levels, and this is basically under a terrorism enhancement, right? Because roads is criminal conduct, quote, was calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion or to retaliate against government conduct, which it definitely was. So that takes roads to a 39. And when we go back to the table, moving up those 6 levels, moves all the way up to a range of 262 to
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"The subpoena is directed to their 11 clients. That's how many they had that. In footnote 16 on page 12, they just lied and said that Trump be raffensperger, that case challenging the electors was quote not scheduled for a hearing until January 8, 2021. And so the case was pending so they had to submit these provisional electors contingently to preserve in case Trump V raffensperger came down in their favor and then they would have these electors ready to spring into action. That emits the fact that Trump V rack Pittsburgh was dismissed by the Georgia Supreme Court on December 12, two days before these idiots snuck into the basement of the Georgia capitol to swear themselves in. Yeah. Now, if you want to argue that they're technically correct at not the best kind of correct. I suppose there are two ways that you can get there. First, you could say the Georgia Supreme Court's dismissal was for lack of jurisdiction which still technically left that complaint on the trial court's docket, where it was voluntarily dismissed out one day after the insurrection. And second, there's this incredibly minor case that Anna Bauer pointed us to. It was brought by schaefer's lieutenant Sean still, who served as the secretary for the fake meeting. Anyway, he filed a complaint on December 12th called still versus raffensperger slash coffee county board of elections. It was so obviously pretextual that it does not even show up on the Wikipedia page of post election lawsuits filed in Georgia, right? So look, I doubt that judge mcburney will be amused by this characterization. Notwithstanding whatever's on the docket, like nobody, no lawyer, honestly describing the facts and the state of litigation, thought that Georgia's electors were in doubt as of December 14th, and not that it would matter if they were, right? But to figure out that one plus the dumb Hawaii 1960 claimed like you'll just have to stick around for the Patreon bonus and I promise you that one will be wild. Okay, well, so that leaves only one factual dispute here. Let's come back from Hawaii to Georgia. We can not adjudicate that because the transcripts of those interviews were submitted in camera and under sale. I suppose it's possible that DA Willis will explain it more thoroughly in her reply brief, which is going to be wild, which has been very careful so far not to tip her hand and potentially prejudice her future prosecution. So I will just have to wait and find out later. Yeah, so bottom line, if this disqualification motion is granted, that would, in my view, strongly suggest that behind the scenes there is something very disturbing out there regarding the fake collectors. On the basis of what we've seen of what's been disclosed in public, I would expect a respectful denial, but obviously no sanctions or anything like that against funny Willis or her office. And possibly even some admonishment from judge mcburney about the wildly overheated rhetoric and misleading recitation of facts in this brief, but you know, we'll see. Yeah, so in addition to filing a reply and support of her disqualification motion. Funny Willis response to Trump's motion to get the special purpose grand jury's findings into the sun is now due on May 15th. It was previously made one that she was going to have to respond to his magical wish with casting motion. One of the goofball electors who found new counsel filed a joinder with Trump's motion to quash that. Special purpose grandeur investigation. And that extended the deadline. So we'll be back here to talk about that one very, very soon. I can't wait. Okay. So last, let's talk briefly about the Proud Boys in the oath keepers, since four Proud Boys were convicted of seditious conspiracy this week, including Enrique tarrio, the group's former leader. And we should be clear at the outset. This was a 61 day trial with 5 defendants, multiple lawyers, and some truly novel legal theories in a conspiracy. Like the notion that some of the Proud Boys were tools of the leaders rather than active participants. As fascinating and we'll probably do a deep dive at some point on that. But for right now, let's just explain where we are at a high level. Yeah. So the Proud Boys and the oath keepers are both far right militia groups who conspire to work the peaceful transfer of power on January 6th, aka they are domestic terrorists. Yeah. The Trump administration doggedly refused to call them that and never gave a shit about the danger that guy's posed because brass hacks they're white and they support Trump. Everybody remembers when Trump told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by in September of 2020 and just last week, Bill Barr downplayed this violent attempt to overthrow the government. He said, quote, the people on the right are not a threat to democracy, the threat is coming from the progressive side, and then he said that January 6th was a clown show and said there was no threat. Don't say because weird. I see crew member, a different guy named Bill Barr, who testified under oath before the January 6th committee and practically sprained his shoulder, patting himself on the back for saving democracy as we know it, right? Let's go back to that, shall we? Here's. Here's Bill Barr. And frankly, I think the fact that I put myself in the position that I could say that we had looked at this and didn't really think there was fraud was really important to moving things forward. And I sort of shudder to think what the situation would have been if the position of the department was, we're not even looking at this until after Biden's in office. I'm not sure we would have had a transition at all, so that's why I did it. And then there's this one. And I think there was genuine concern as to where the country was headed.
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"So even with my skepticism about different how to put it mildly, like remember, she is a lawyer who from the very beginning insisted that her clients who obviously had knowingly filed fake certifications did nothing wrong. When I saw that language, like I immediately thought that this had to have uncovered at least something that looked like serious misconduct by finding one. Otherwise, just wouldn't say it. Spoiler alert, I did not find anything of this sort. So by the way, if you're reading along with us in this opposition to the motion to disqualify, they filed page 14 out of order. So just keep that on here from 9 to 14, then back to ten. Just that took me a hot minute to try some of these sensitive. Anyway, let's first deal with the allegations about not conveying the offers of immunity to her clients. Because that seems to most egregious. We learned that in July of 2022, the DA's office sent an email to defense counsel that said the following. Our office is prepared to offer one or more of your clients full immunity from prosecution for any acts taken related to the December 14th, 2020 meeting at the Georgia state capitol to execute purported Electoral College votes in favor of Trump and Pence. This immunity would be offered only on the condition that those clients identified must fully cooperate with our office's investigation related to the special purpose grand jury. This would include full and complete testimony before the special purpose grand jury, and any other court proceedings that may be related to a result from the SPG J's investigation. Okay, so that's a perfectly normal conditional offer. What's not normal was pierce it into browse joint reply. Look at you, you're already excited. Okay. So they said, regarding the DA's potential offer of immunity is presented to one or more of our clients. None of our clients are interested in that offer as presented at this time. While an offer of immunity from prosecution is enticing at first blush, our clients all fundamentally distrust the motives and intentions of the DA and the investigative team in this case. Our clients, therefore, have grave concerns that if they were to be offered immunity from prosecution, accepted that offer and then told your team and or the grand jury the truth, the DA and your team would not accept that truth. In such a scenario, our clients believe that the DA's office is likely to threaten or actually charge them with perjury, merely because the immunized witness is not in a position to tell the DA's office or that grand jury what they want to hear. So that's the, I think the legal term is bananas. And so the question is, did dubrow convey these conversations to her clients before conveying this nonsensical response?
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"Yeah, so mcburney's order granting and denying in part the motion to disqualify had three components. And I'm going to read somewhat liberally from that order because and this is foreshadowing how you interpret that order will determine what you think about the opposition that Debra filed on Friday night to the latest motion to disqualify. Right. So first aspect of the order that I want to emphasize is the legal backdrop, right? Because it is strong on behalf of Kimberly dubrow. We should correctly describe the law. Right. The court properly noted and applied a bunch of important legal principles. They are a, the strong presumption in favor of a client's choice of counsel. The idea that lawyers are not fungible one lawyer is not just as good as any other. You should. Right. Yeah, give the clients what they want, right? B, that motions to disqualify our, in fact, an extraordinary remedy. They should be granted sparingly and if not, they would be, you know, subject to the potential for abuse, right? Like you could be harassing opposing counsel all the time in cases. Filing a whole bunch of these frivolous motions to disqualify, that's true. And C that Pearson and Debra drafted up reasonable and appropriate conflict waivers for their clients back in 2022. They also wrote and submitted in camera. We don't get to see it sadly. A 13 page legal memorandum outlining all of the risks, right? But importantly, the quirk included with this phrase, of course, the best waiver in the world can not fix a non wave able conflict. Right, let's break that down just or to translate it from lost speak really fast. Some conflicts are so glaring that the court will not let the client wave them even if they do it knowingly, even if they're willing to sign off on it. Like you can not as a lawyer represent both the husband and a wife in a divorce because they're so they're interests are so definitionally opposed to each other. There is a conflict that can not be waived. Yeah, that's exactly right. Okay. So those principles then informed the second part of the order, which allowed the lawyers to continue to represent 11 of the ten dress up weirdos at that time, right? So here's what judge mcburney said. And see if you can hear the emphasis in my voice, right? Here, at this phase of the district attorney's investigation. When the end product of the special item subtle. When the end product of the special purpose grand jury is not formal criminal charges, but rather a recommendation on how best to proceed towards such charges, if any. The court finds very few such conflicts. It's true that someday if charges are brought. If those charges include any of the alternate electors, and if Pearson and or Debra continue to represent any of the electors, one elector might be called to testify against another during a criminal trial. And at that point, the rules of professional conduct and the case law applying them are clear. Pearson and dubrow likely could not represent either such elector. But that is a remote and hypothetical scenario that does not now exist. The court finds that the allegations of current or near term potential conflict when again remember this is October of 2022. Our wave able and thus have been effectively waived. You know, that seems like it maybe was true for the time being, but wasn't always gonna stay true. It's kind of tentative there. Yeah, I think that's right. So let's think about that in conjunction with the third and final part of the order, which judge mcburney did immediately recognize that Georgia Republican and the party chair David schaefer had an unwavering conflict with the other electors even under those early circumstances. So this is the part of funny Willis motion that was granted last year. Here's what mcburney said. The exception is David schaefer. Remember him we've told you we're coming back to him like 5 times. We're back. Given the information before the court about his role in establishing and convening this slate of alternate electors, his communications with other key players in the district attorney's investigation and his role in other post election efforts to call into question the validity of the official vote count in Georgia. The court finds that he is substantively differently situated from the other ten clients jointly represented by Pearson and Debra. His signed waiver may be identical, but his situation is not. He is not just another alternate elector, his lawyers repeated incantation of the quote lawfulness of the 2020 alternate electoral scheme do not apply to the additional post election actions in which schaefer engaged that distinguish him from the ten individuals with whom he shares counsel. His fate with the special purpose grand jury and beyond is not tethered to the other ten electors in the same manner in which those ten find themselves connected. A disinterested lawyer would not advise the other ten electors to share counsel wish David schafer. As such, the joint representation must end. I like how judge mcburney says repeated incantation there, because every single filing from Debra is like, my clients are all identically situated because they're all innocent as the newborn snow and ma'am. This is an Arby's. So let's be clear. We do not yet know what schaefer's post election actions are, but I don't think it takes a whole lot of reading between the lines to guess that judge mcburney seems to be saying gee, sure looks like schaefer, the chair of the state Republican Party might have been way more involved in this conspiracy here than the rest of the idiots he rounded up in the Denny's parking lot. So, you know, wouldn't surprise me as the sitting judge that if the DA's office is going to charge him too rather than immunize him for his potential testimony against Trump. So yeah, represent the idiots or represent schaefer, but you know, not both simultaneously. Yeah, I'm almost positive. I read that schaefer was severed because of his role in submitting that document to the archives. Yeah. Anyway, what happened in that event is that Debra and Pearson split up. Debra took the ten idiots and Pearson took schaefer, and that brings us to a couple of weeks ago. Specifically on April 12th and 14th of 2023, the DA's office interviewed some of the other ten electors. Many of whom have now been granted immunity and noted to new facts. First, that some of the electors stated that another elector represented by mister prow, committed acts that are violations of Georgia law and that they were not party to those additional acts. That's what it said in the motion. Now, we don't know exactly what those claims are because obviously the DA's office is not going to put them in a public filing. Second, the DA's office claims that, quote, in those interviews, some of the electors represented by mister Brown told members of the investigation team that no potential offer of immunity was ever brought to them in 2022, which is in direct conflict with mister browse co counsel, miss Pearson's representation to this court in August of 2022. So that's very serious claim to say that an attorney didn't bring an offer to the client. And we didn't go into depth in episode 7 28 because we were waiting to see how Kim de brow would respond. And now she has and it's wild. This actually took a minute to unpack because the rhetoric in her opposition is just like over the top, incredibly heated. Here are her first two paragraphs. Despite the fact that disqualification motions filed by opposing counsel are strongly disfavored and automatically deemed suspicious as improper tactical moves by the courts. The district attorney has recklessly filed their second pre indictment disqualification motion without any factual or legal basis. This is a side note. The first disqualification motion was partly granted, so I think it definitionally had some factual illegal basement. Let's go back. This second motion is an attempted retread of the first such motion already decided by this court supposedly propped up by new insulation facts. In reality, these new factual allegations are complete fiction as the indisputable evidence proves and the DA election team knew their claims could not possibly be true when they filed their new motion. The district attorney's motion is reckless, frivolous, offensive, and completely without merit, this court should recognize the second motion as the improper tactic that it is, deny the motion and order the district attorney to bear the cost of defense counsel's response in opposition as sanction. Okay. As a practitioner, you have to be incredibly careful with this kind of rhetoric. And let me draw the line for you, because we see a lot of overheated rhetoric. A court generally speaking will not fault you for zealous advocacy on behalf of your client so long as you're not outright lie, right? That's why you will not see sanctions entered against Alina haba for some of the dumb stuff that she routinely puts in print, right? Because when she's mischaracterizing the underlying facts, as long as she's not out and out lying, the court's going to let that go. So haba can say that, you know, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court unilaterally changed the rules about how to count absentee ballots and she can imply that that's a fraud, even though it's obviously not. And now, courts can let it slide. They're not going to get mad. They're going to say, you know, you, zealously advocate for your client. But these are allegations about the motives and representations of the lawyers on the other side. And when I was talking about any lawyer, we're talking about an elected public official, district attorney funny Willis, and her office.
Opening Arguments
"proud boys" Discussed on Opening Arguments
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Mark Levin
Julie Kelly: Analyzing Conviction of 4 Proud Boys Members on J6 Case
"Proud Boys have been watching on TV and elsewhere They talk about convictions here Four out of 5 of them What were they convicted of and what exactly occurred at this trial Well Mark again thank you so much for your kind words covering my work and getting this important information out to your listeners This is really a travesty of justice Four out of 5 of the Proud Boys were convicted of seditious conspiracy which is a charge tantamount to treason They were also convicted of other conspiracy counts obstruction of an official proceeding They really committed no violence They weren't accused of assaulting police officers only one was accused of destroying government property But the important part of this trial four months trial really two year case where judge Tim Kelly acted as an extra lawyer for the prosecution repeatedly denying defense motions Let me stop you there This guy has done this a lot He's done this He sort of did this in the case with Bannon I believe And he's done it in other cases too but I could be wrong about that I know there's another case where he kept giving the prosecution everything they wanted Maybe that's the case with Marc Elias partner I'm just trying to remember which case But I remember that name and I remember thinking wow this guy is a Department of Justice judge He is Mark And here's the problem not only is he a former Department of Justice official he worked for years for the D.C. U.S. attorney's office which is the exact same office Matthew graves now who is prosecuting and handling every January 6 case
AP News Radio
Proud Boys' Tarrio guilty of Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy
"The leader of the Proud Boys Enrique tarrio and three other members of the far right extremist group were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their roles in the capitol riot. Seditious conspiracy is a difficult charge to prove. Specifically, conspiring to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power. Tarrio wasn't in Washington on the day of the riot, but prosecutors say he directed the Proud Boys attack. These convictions will likely embolden attorney general Merrick Garland and the Justice Department moving forward. After three trials, we have secured the convictions of leaders of both the Proud Boys and the oath keepers for seditious conspiracy. The seditious conspiracy charge carries a prison sentence of up to 20 years in court, a lawyer for tarrio tried to push the blame onto Donald Trump arguing the former president incited the pro Trump mobs attack when he urged the crowd near The White House to fight like hell. Ed Donahue, Washington.
AP News Radio
Ex-Proud Boys leader Tarrio guilty of Jan. 6 sedition plot
"The former head of a far right extremist group has been convicted of orchestrating a plot for his members to attack the capitol on January 6th, a jury has found ex Proud Boys chief Enrique tarrio guilty of seditious conspiracy in one of the most serious cases broad after the capitol riot. Tarrio was not here in Washington on January 6th, but prosecutors said he organized and directed the Proud Boys attack. Defense lawyer said there was no plan to storm the capitol or stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's White House win, one of his lawyers says the blame instead rests with Donald Trump for inciting the attack. The verdict some major milestone for the Justice Department, which has now secured seditious conspiracy convictions against leaders of two major extremist groups. Sagar Meghani, Washington.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Julie Kelly Gives Us the Lowdown on the Proud Boys Trial
"Joining us now is Julie Kelly from American greatness at Julie. Welcome back to the program. What is the backstory here? Proud boy J 6 case goes to jury, let's start from the beginning. Who is getting tried? What are the allegations here and why does it matter? So there are 5 members of the Proud Boys, including their group leader and ray gay tario, who have been undergoing this four month trial marathon trial in Washington D.C.. The first set of charges Charlie were handed down to four of these men in the spring of 2021, four of them have been held in pretrial detention meaning denied bail as they await a trial. This will be almost two years, these innocent men have been held behind bars, so this trial is going on closing arguments were Monday and Tuesday. They face seditious conspiracy charges, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, various other charges. So this went to the jury on Tuesday afternoon. They continue to deliberate and we're waiting to see what happens. Unfortunately, this Department of Justice has a near perfect conviction rate in January 6th trials. So it's very likely these men will be found guilty of a charge that is comparable to treason, which is seditious conspiracy. So what exactly did these men do on January the 6th, 2021? What were their actions? What did they do? They did a variety of different things. And Charlie, this is a First Amendment case. It's very important. And I have a lot of coverage at American greatness and greatness dot com. But the government really relied on chat messages and encrypted chats, private messaging. They had almost 500,000 messages, not just for Proud Boys, Charlie, but numerous FBI informants who were embedded in the group months before January 6 who were also present in these group chats.
AP News Radio
Jury to deliberate in major Jan. 6 case against Proud Boys
"The seditious conspiracy trial against former Proud Boys leader Enrique tarrio and for lieutenants is going to the jury in closing arguments prosecutors showed jurors hundreds of messages exchanged by the Proud Boys leading up to the capitol riot, but prosecutor Nadia Moore said they did more than talk. They're not in court because of what they said, but because of what they did, defense lawyer naive Hassan noted Enrique tarrio wasn't in Washington on the day of the riot. He argued Donald Trump's words in his anger provided the motivation for the rioters. He described the Proud Boys as an unorganized drinking club whose members involvement in the riot was a spontaneous act, the 5 could face up to 20 years in prison if convicted of seditious conspiracy, a Civil War era charge that can be difficult to prove. Ed Donahue, Washington
AP News Radio
Prosecutor: Proud Boys viewed themselves as 'Trump's army'
"Closing arguments are being heard in the capitol riot trial of Proud Boys national chairman Enrique tarrio and for lieutenants. Prosecutors say the Proud Boys were ready for all out war and were foot soldiers for Donald Trump, the 5 are charged with seditious conspiracy, plotting to forcibly stop the transfer of power. Prosecutors have repeatedly shown jurors a video clip of Trump talking about the Proud Boys during his first presidential debate. Stand back and stand by tario wasn't in Washington on the day of the riot, defense attorney Nicholas Smith accused prosecutors of repeatedly playing the clip of Trump from the debate to try to manipulate jurors and says there's no evidence of a plan to attack the capitol. Seditious conspiracy is a Civil War era charge that is rare and can be difficult to prove. Ed Donahue Washington
AP News Radio
Jury to hear closing arguments in Proud Boys leaders' trial
"The lengthy capital riot trial of 5 members of the Proud Boys is nearing its end. A federal jury in Washington, D.C. is set to hear closing arguments in the trial of Enrique tarrio and four other leaders of the far right extremist group the Proud Boys. They face seditious conspiracy and other charges from the investigation into the attack at the U.S. capitol on January 6th, 2021. Defense attorneys in some prosecution witnesses say there was no plan to attack the capitol, and that defendants got caught up in the craziness, the Justice Department argues, the men plotted to use force to keep then president Donald Trump in power and were expecting a Civil War, jurors have heard 50 days of testimony by more than three dozen people and considered a trove of encrypted chat messages and social media posts detailing the group's anger over claims of a stolen election. Tarrio is accused of orchestrating the assault, although he was not in Washington on January 6th, he'd been charged two days earlier with burning a church's Black Lives Matter banner during an earlier march. Jennifer King, Washington
AP News Radio
Proud Boys leaders' Jan. 6 sedition trial inches to a close
"The trial of the leader of the Proud Boys is inching towards a close. It's one of the most serious and high profile cases from the January 6th riot at the U.S. capitol for almost three months a jury in Washington D.C. has been hearing testimony and considering evidence on whether Proud Boys national chairman Enrique tarrio and for lieutenants committed seditious conspiracy. The government's case rests on a trove of messages Proud Boys exchanged on the telegram platform, Ethan nordean, Zachary rel, Joseph Biggs, and Dominic pozole, are the other defendants. Their attorneys argued there is no evidence of a plan for an attack, former proud boy members testify that they were expecting a Civil War after the 2020 election, closing arguments could start as early as this week. Jennifer King, Washington
Mark Levin
The FBI Had More People in the Proud Boys Than the Proud Boys
"Jazz Shah I'm sure he didn't change his name The new House oversight committee investigating the political weaponization of the Justice Department They want to bring on some additional staff Start putting in some overtime Every new story that comes out about the FBI's actions in recent years makes the bureau look worse and worse The latest story posted by our colleagues at PJ media involves the ongoing seditious conspiracy quote unquote Charge is being brought against the leaders and members of the Proud Boys The trial of chapter leader Zach real It's rel was preparing to call a witness this week but ran into a problem Their witness quote unquote turned out to be a confidential informant for the FBI Who have been spying on the defense team I tell you this Stassi stuff is unbelievable I brought the trial to a screeching halt until these issues have been considered in resolved unquote That's putting it mildly to say the least Critics of harsh prosecutions in the January 6th debacle continue to be vindicated They write Those who have said the whole thing was a setup keep getting proved right by our own Department of Justice they say According to lawyers for Zachary reel a Proud Boys chapter leader charged with seditious conspiracy the government failed to disclose that one of the witnesses scheduled to testify was actually a confidential informant for the FBI
The Breakdown with Shaun King
"proud boys" Discussed on The Breakdown with Shaun King
"As you may know, though white supremacist organization, the Proud Boys, were one of the main groups behind organizing the mobs on January the 6th, two years ago, where there was an insurrection at the nation's capital where they took over the capitol, multiple people died officers were brutalized, I mean, completely dismissing the myth that conservatives love police. They don't love police, conservatives hate black folk. When they talk about being pro police, it's because they're anti black. They're not pro police. And they beat and battered and mall police all over the capitol. And conservatives didn't speak out against it. In fact, conservatives have been horrible to those police for the past two years. And so many people wondered, why in the world did the D.C. police really take so long to respond and did the Proud Boys and other organizers have inside information? People have always wondered this. I mean, from the moment the attacks were underway, and it was revealed yesterday. In the very serious federal sedition trial, which is our incredibly serious charges, it was revealed in the federal sedition trial that the D.C. metro police department lieutenant Shane LeMond, a white man. Was passing secrets to the Proud Boys for months. And here's what's wild. Dudes still has his job. Not only has he not been charged. He hasn't even been fired. He is on paid leave right now. Even though it appears, the D.C. police department has been knowing for months and months. He was suspended. This past February, it is, let me double check on that. I'm like, oh no, it's February right now. I think he was just suspended earlier this month. I once it was revealed to them what took place. Dude still has his job and it was revealed and they showed the text messages and open court. But for months and months and months, he was giving the Proud Boys heads up. Telling them where police were going to be, you know, letting them know when people were going to be arrested. What was going to happen? He was basically acting as an inside informant for the Proud Boys right up until the days leading up until the January 6th insurrection. These are the types of things that we've been told for years. The FBI released a report ten years ago saying that it is a very serious possibility that literal white supremacists were infiltrating police departments across America. What is man Shane Lamont? Is literally giving inside private information to the Proud Boys? Information that was helping them understand exactly what risk they were taking exactly where police would be, who was going to be arrested when, where, why and when and dude still has his job. Which I want to say blows my mind, but it doesn't. Because police in America are about as hard let me correct that. White police in America are about as hard to fire as any single person in the country. And I say white police because you saw those black officers that all participated in the murder of Tyree Nichols, those black cops were fired immediately and within a few weeks were fired, charged, arrested, jailed, I mean, lightning fast, as they should have been. But here we have definitive proof. That a cop is giving inside information to the Proud Boys. As I hold on, if they're charged with federal sedition of trying to overthrow the government, what does this mean? What are his charges? Where are his charges? How is he on paid leave? How has he not been fired? Let's unpack and explain it right after the break, we have a quick word from some of our sponsors. And I'll be right back, stick with us. I've got so many questions. About how these men officer lieutenant Shane Lamont and the D.C. police department and the Proud Boys, how did they get to know each other? Here's the thing. Because this trial is not about officer Shane lamon, because he hasn't even been fired, more or less charged. All we really know about the extent of their relationship are the text messages that they had, we know that some of those text messages have been deleted. We know that they also have phone calls. We don't know the nature or the extent of those phone calls, but did they meet in person? When, where, why, how? How the question I really want to know is, how did they get to know one another? How did the lieutenant of the D.C. police department? Get to know these particular Proud Boys. Where did they meet? How did they get each other's information? How did they become connections and informants for one another? How did they begin working together? What was the nature of their relationship? Was it paid? Was it unpaid? What was really going on here? And I mean, all of those questions have to be answered. This man's cases need to be investigated and pulled. At the moment in which it's determined that a D.C. police officer is acting as an informant for the Proud Boys, not the other way around. That he is the informant. Not the Proud Boys are informing him. But he is the informant for them. At that point, we've got a lot of questions. And that this man hasn't been fired is peculiar. But he hasn't been charged is peculiar. Because this was two years ago when was this learned? When did this information come to light? How much longer was he allowed to work his job after it came to light? How much longer after January 6th did he keep communications with them? Was he continuing to inform them after January 6th or did it stop there? I have so many questions. But it really starts with this officer being fired and charged. Why does he still have his job? Tell me that. Besides him being a white police officer and white police officers having so many protections in America, why else does this man still have his job? It makes no sense. I'll pay leave or not. Why is he not been terminated? Are you going to allow this man to resign and keep his pension? That's what it looks like. Particularly now that I have his photo plastered on my Instagram page, you can go there right now and see him,
WTOP
"proud boys" Discussed on WTOP
"The former top leader of the Proud Boys will remain jail while awaiting trial on charges related to the January 6th attack on the capitol Federal judge says Henry Enrique tarrio pulls a danger to the public and home detention and a ban from using social media won't be enough to mitigate that danger The former Proud Boys national chairman faces charges he conspired with other members of the far right extremist group to storm the U.S. capitol and stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory The indictment alleges tarrio and other Proud Boys used encrypted channels social media and other electronic communications and carrying out the attack tarrio has been jailed since his arrest on March 8th I'm Ben Thomas A California play man pleading guilty to Friday to plotting to blow up the state Democratic Party's headquarters in what prosecutors say was the first in a planned series of politically motivated tax after the defeat of former president Donald Trump 46 year old Benjamin Rogers could serve 7 to 9 years in federal prison U.S. prosecutors in San Francisco charged Rogers and Jared Copeland with conspiring to attack targets They associated with Democrats after president Trump's defeat in the November 2020 presidential election Copeland has already pleaded guilty A West Virginia man has been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of two people in Montgomery county It's been a long road It's been hard for both families Susan Dickinson's daughter Ashley was murdered four years ago A judge has now sentenced Gregory Jones to two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole one for Ashley and one for Joshua Fraser The two were found shot in the back of the head in a running car in burtonsville in 2018 according to phone records Jones had been texting Fraser about money he owed him before the shooting His act was an act of cowardice against two loving and loved people Montgomery county state's attorney John McCarthy praising the sentence which includes an additional 30 years for handgun charges Shayna sulan WTO P news Hey D.C. council member has created a task force to address the problem of nightlife violence in the us corridor The district has lavished resources on the historic corridor once known as black Broadway but headlines tell a different story a Saturday night stabbing an early Sunday morning double shooting ward one council member Brian Nadel has established the U street task force which includes community leaders police and representatives of the alcoholic beverage regulatory agency So she wants a vibrant youth street that's welcoming and safe but this has been a difficult time and more efforts are needed to address serious safety issues Particularly on OW TOP news Residents are lining up in opposition to a massive development that they say would pollute the Chesapeake Bay The Talbot county residents are now suing the Maryland department of the environment over its approval of the development on the eastern shore the suit escalates a nearly 20 year battle over plans to build about 2500 homes in the rural town of trap Maryland The lawsuit alleges that a sewer plan for the development approved by the state would further pollute a small creek that leads to the Chesapeake Bay in violation of Maryland law It's now 8 25 in.
WTOP
"proud boys" Discussed on WTOP
"The time capsule from 1887 did not give up its artifacts easily it had to be cut open and apart to get everything out What was inside Coins books a piece of wood with a bullet in it a button with a Virginia seal letters as well as a newspaper dated 1865 with a center full print of a figure leaning over the casket of deceased president Abraham Lincoln Stay conservator Kate ridgway I think it's in better shape than we had expected We thought everything was gonna be soup and it's not soup So we're pretty it's pretty great All the artifacts will be preserved as best as possible One thing not found that was supposed to be inside was a rare photograph of Abraham Lincoln lying in his coffin Kyle Cooper W TOP news A federal judge has declined to dismiss a criminal indictment charging four accused leaders of the Proud Boys with conspiring to attack the U.S. capitol on January 6th Now defense attorneys representing those four men had argued that their conduct make that was protected by the First Amendment But judge Timothy Kelly argued that they could have used several other nonviolent means of expressing their thoughts about the 2020 election In March those four men were charged with trespassing destruction of property and interference with law enforcement all four remain in jail ahead of their trial scheduled for May Well it is the final week of the year so we are taking a look at the top stories of 2021 including the year in The White House On the platform where two weeks earlier rioters swarmed Joe Biden urged unity We must end this uncivil war The new president went about undoing the policies of his predecessor America is back His American rescue plan provided relief to families Shots in arms and money in pockets Americans received more than 400 million COVID vaccine.
It Could Happen Here
"proud boys" Discussed on It Could Happen Here
"We're here today because on the twenty second of august. Which was this sunday. There was a proud boy and affiliated other boys rally In portland that turned into one of our by now routine running street fights through the city this time in a new neighborhood and then there was also a gunfight in the neighborhood where fighting has happened generally usually happens down only happens. Yeah and there's some. I don't know i think kind of meaningful takeaways from this event both in terms of what the far right is going to be increasingly doing and kind of some missteps among the far left in confronting them And i think it's important to kind of well. Let's start with giving a layout of how the day went so basically the rally was announced a couple of weeks ago right after a big series of street fights over a A canadian Pastor whose church lost religious status in canada because he was so bigoted tell like this rally has been planned for a few months but it got really got boosted after this thing earlier in august. Yes there was always going to be something on the twenty second because there was a gigantic streetfight In portland on the twenty second of twenty twenty right in front of police headquarters and so they there was always going to be something and it kind of started to take shape Two weeks ago after this street fight Where the picture that went viral was a guy pointing with look to be an ar fifteen at a friend of ours. Justin yao a photo journalist. That was later turned out to be an air soft gun. The guy's got a couple of charges for medicine. But it was a whole thing They announced that they were going to be doing this. Rally downtown and then local anti-fascists announced a rally a very nearby and a lot of people started talking about it became clear that it was going to get numbers and they switched at the last moment. The right wing switched their rally. Two completely different part of town in the northeast side of portland in the most diverse neighborhood in portland right next to park rose high school which is the most diverse school in the entire state of oregon And so you know people rallied. Left-wing anti-fascist protesters rallied downtown at a at salmon springs. Park pretty good numbers. I would say between three and four hundred kind of the height of the gathering and then somewhere around two hundred ish proud boys and other in most of the most of the left wing. Kanter protesters rallied where they're from portland or from a nearby city like seattle or salem. Everyone was pretty local relatively. Yeah everybody was pretty local whereas a significant chunk of not a majority of the right wing. Protesters were from other states including they brought out a fucking enrica cario who just got sentenced to six months in jail. Leader of the proud boy slash federal informant. Was there hours. Were a lot a lot of the same crew who had been traveling around to fight people in different parts of the country including there were a bunch of california proud boys who've been taking part in some of the events outside of the los angeles city hall and whatnot so they showed up and Basically it i. They're gathering was you know they put out a big flag. They have like a stage on in the back of a truck and they were given giving the standard speeches. The rally was billed as sort of a free are political prisoners. Thing for the people arrested on january. Sixth and for allen's sweating who's been in jail for nearly a year after he pulled a gun on a crowd of a random unarmed people journalists and the twenty second on the twenty second last year. Shot a bunch of journals paintball. Guns did a bunch of illegal shit. That's how they were billing it it was. I don't know broadleaf. It was very because we showed up. Kind of early in the rally We kind of drove around the parking lot. A little bit getting some shots from a distance and they were definitely very paranoid from the beginning. They had like a couple of rifle teams. Walking around the area the people in vehicles patrolling We parked outside of the event. We walked up there were four. Local women All look to be in their in their fifties or so who were protesting unmasked with signs in front of but outside of the event and they lived in the neighborhood. They'd just heard that the proud we were showing up and they were not happy about that so they had shown up to protest. We walked over to talk to them and as we were talking to them. We got surrounded by a group of proud boys and kind of affiliated folks who started live streaming and yelling questions in a couple of cases like walking up to us with weapons in hand and asking if we wanted to fight And eventually we kind of pull back from that and talk to some other locals. Maybe half a block away who had just like stopped to watch the confrontation and as we were talking with them. We get surrounded again a second time by by these folks who again. I both trying to kind of minutes us and miss the locals that we had been interviewing and there was a. There was an interesting moment there that i took down that. I want to kind of quote from where They they started like the there was clue this. Mix of like wanting us to be scared of them and also wanting to put on a good face for these locals yeah and so they said to the locals at one point. Hey we're being very civil and the man we were talking to look back at them and said. It's a veneer of civility like which i appreciated his attitude lot but a so. We backed off after a little while. Just because the people we were trying to interview kept getting surrounded by proud boys and it kind of felt like we were Bringing heat on them that that we didn't want to be doing so we started back and while that was happening. Horrible giant fight broke out and it had been. I think the start of it was that so there were these unmasked women kind of out in front and as they get surrounded a couple folks in block came up to kind of try and defend them like one of them pulled his toyota tacoma group because people were spilling out into the street and so he was kind of trying to block cars from the people who are out in the street a couple of medic showed up and we're just kind of hanging out at the edge of the thing in case something happened and it kinda seems like folks continued to flood and from what we know of what was happening over downtown. The main anti-fascist gathering at a certain point people said like. Hey we need to the block. Needs to show up and confront the fascists in northeast and people couldn't agree on whether or not they should go in numbers. There was kind of like a a failure to get consensus to so some scattered groups showed up and the proud boys attacked and there was a big ugly streetfight that went on for pretty close to an hour lead to at least two vehicles getting totalled they attacked the drivers of van who fled the van and the van was flipped and totaled. And you'll see like the information kind of spin on this is that antifa was trying to drive van into the proud boys but we we have video very clear video. One is in the van because they've maced and beat people and they ran away from the van and then later they're proud boys like ran more than like a block away from their location. They attacked the guy in a truck. And not just total destruct but like multiple people were beating him about the head and shoulders as he was sitting alone in his truck. They occupied the parking lot of a local high school fired. Paintball guns. it at random local bystanders depress. The police didn't show up at all. We never saw single police.
Fever Dreams
"proud boys" Discussed on Fever Dreams
"You know. How do we get to this on that note. Let's wrap up this episode. Fever dreams from the daily beast in view installments will also be speaking to some awesome reporters and other colleagues at the daily beast and beyond from politics popular culture and other over fed underdeveloped institutions..
Fever Dreams
"proud boys" Discussed on Fever Dreams
"It's it's an apartheid kind of state. Something else that is a recurring theme on this podcast. That every once a while will. And i will talk about what we view as sort of the failures of political late night comedy. Particularly sorry to keep picking on them a show like saturday night. Live especially since circa. Let's say twenty fifteen and the advent of trump as a Real political force. Do you tend to take that. When you look out onto the landscape of jimmy fallon's and the snl's of the world. Do you think being too harsh or do you kind of look at it. As a fellow late night cohort in kind of think to yourself. Have a sort of easy rider kind of moment where it's like. Yeah we fucking blew it. Well a can't expect too much of saturday. Night live because saturday. Night live is a tv show for teenagers. It just is. It's and it's and it's a weird position where it's being lorne michaels is. I don't know how old i bet he's probably in his at least as late sixties if not seventies and he's programming a show that's truly meant for teenagers and so you're not gonna get a lot of incisive incisive comedy bits about international trade agreements or about the infrastructure. Bill you're gonna get sort of obvious kinda indicating stuff that goes for a kind of a lowest common denominator joke. And i mean i have friends on that show and and i people bemoan that you know that it's not any good or it's not and that's not entirely. I mean they still do some really funny stuff. And they're still some really amazingly talented writers and actors on that show and you can get you can still get some really weird stuff on that show because there's some good weirdos working on that show but if you're expecting them to fix what's right or what's wrong in the world. I should say you expect them to make everything right. That's just you're getting into a clown car and expecting the clown to be a good driver. That's just not what they're there for. And i mean to a lesser extent. You've got people like john. Oliver who doesn't amazing show and does a a great show that informs a lot of people about a lot of stuff. I watched that show. I don't watch it religiously. Because i first of all my basic thing with political humor is i don't find politics that funny i just it's like it's it's just to me. It's kinda too serious it's it's it's it's i don't. It's not something that i want to you. Know make a bunch right. A bunch of knee slappers. About because mostly it's i dunno. It's like it's like joking with the doctor when there's a serious medical diagnosis happening is not the time for it. Maybe later after everything's cured you in the dock share laugh but not right now so john oliver does a great job though is is kinda funny and it's kind of a an outrage kind of pulpit but i don't think that he's talking anybody that doesn't already agree with them. I don't think there's a lot of fox news viewers tuning into john. Oliver going like. I feel like being challenged by this english. Guy i mean why. Would they do that when they have the like. Just knee slapping incisive with gregg feld late night quite frankly eight. You're and conan's lunch for the time it's been on. I'm sorry andy now. That conan's over. Are you moving over to the gut felt cast. I don't think so. I can't even remember the last time i probably saw. Fox news with when i was touring and assisted living facility looking for a place for my aunt and uncle live every tv and the lobby had it on just blaring but no i. I don't even. I mean i know kind of you know that. That's their sort of like irreverent witty show but i mean we all know you know how hilarious wing comedy is okay. You're a longtime comedian. You know obviously a lot of people in the field both mainstream and not so mainstream. Can you tell us who are the funny conservative comics. I'm dead serious. I'm trying to think of anybody that he is. Even that i know is kind of like right wing. Say like a tim allen. Somebody that's not necessarily. Oh no overtly political comedian but his but you happen to know is right wing and i would say they're all about as funniest. Kevin sorbo gives you some frame of reference. I honestly there's i can't think of anything off hand but i mean but you know i mean occasionally there will be like a a mean that will come through. It's i do think. Though that like the paintings of trump being blessed by g the john mcnugins being blessed by jesus those pretty fucking malaria that is top notch right-wing comedy. There's a lot of amazing unintentionally funny pro-trump humor or quote unquote humor out there. I i'm with you on that. If i could just interrupt you here. I mean the conservative comics i mean. The action is on tick-tock guys. They got things like the conservative hype house. They got all this kind of stuff. And that's where the conservative comedy goes down. But we'll do you find any of it. Funny i mean no. It's not actually funny here. Dobie me wrong. You have to look at it. I'm not seeking it out. I think there's some stockholm syndrome here. Where i one hundred of these guys. That's yeah yeah a lot of comedy. Not all comedy is is looking at a situation and going Look at that. That's pretty fucked up right that little aspect of it that nobody else kinda caught and then everyone goes. Yeah that is fucked up. I mean that's you know observational humor. Is you take it from the basic thing about airplane food. Everyone's eating airplane food. And then you've got somebody whose job it is to just put the words together in a way that makes you think about airplane food in a way that you haven't thought but it's a subversion and when you're coming from a white male power base it's kinda hard to subvert you're not subverting to subvert the sort of liberal agenda which is just a basically you know the liberal. What is the liberal agenda but to say like maybe we should take some tax money and make life better for poor people like to subvert that where's the laughs in that that's just kind of mean when you're so heavily invested on the side of power. It's a powerful person making a joke about powerful people. That's like a scene from a movie. Where a bully like laughs at a kid when he's laying on the ground with a bloody nose that's not funny that's just cruelty and that's i think that's why it just doesn't work very well. I mean all the scenes from the sense where nelson and his friends are like wailing on the deeds of the nerds. Those are pretty funny. But it's always written from the perspective of the writer who definitely was not nelson in that scene when they were not instance. I think it's the absurdity of cruelty. Oh my god. Why are they being so mean to these wire. They actually causing physical harm to a completely non-threatening entity like that's you know there. There's an absurdity there that's kind of funny and also to the trauma of being bullied. You can process it by laughing at a funny at cartoon people bullying each other especially when that great. That's so fantastic. Just that laugh is says more than somebody's dissertation about cruelty in comedy about bullies in humor. Just ha- that says everything you want to know about what's funny about bullies is just why think one way i can change your mind. I'm gonna send you in one email. All of my like hilarious killer anti critical race theory. One liners.
Fever Dreams
"proud boys" Discussed on Fever Dreams
"A lot of potential deception going on here. I'm not a legal expert per se but is this guy maybe opening himself up to a bunch of fraud litigation question. We'll certainly the way this has been pitched and especially by the endorsers free info with a little cagey wisely so about the exact claims they made but i think a lot of the endorsers were just like this. Is the best phone history. This guy like handmade this phone or he invented all these parts himself. And obviously that's not the case. I mean this was interesting character. This eric feminine. I think he's an interesting addition to sort of our maga- menagerie of personalities. It would seem to me that he would have more respect or at least come office having more respect for his audience and his customers if he just repackaged burner phones because at least in that world you can kind of see oh oh the better call saul guy uses them and that must mean. They're secure from the feds. There is nothing to suggest that this would make you any safer from a hacker or the federal government trying to snoop on your anything but you gave them like a cricket flip phone that you could just snap in half once you're done chatting with your drug dealer. Whoever that would seem to me like a more honest play here. I mean that's exactly right as someone quipped the only freedom you'll get from the freedom phones in new lightness in your wallet. So in the past few days some of our listeners have heard that teepee usa be very trumpy. Allegedly college and high school focused conservative organization has been holding a multiday conference speakers have included all the kind of extremely online maga luminaries that you might expect would show up at a party or event hosted by a guy like charlie kirk but there was also this row over the self-described conservative porn actress. Who also writes for the federalist who showed up expecting to get the vip treatment any stead. It created this sort of weird micro controversy at the conference will. What did you think of the affair. The brand new. This is a whole saga. That is still reverberating. Today as we speak in the conference goes on so this is a as you said a conservative porn actress. I think it's to call a porn star. I think so. She shows up and she has. I believe a vip pass. This is going to sort of project conflict between the kind of your south park. Republicans perhaps your barstool. Republicans might be called now kid rock conservatives as she identifies exactly and you're the people who think all the point stars should be pro-trump libertarian. Right exactly exactly. And then more like the people particularly younger weirdos. We talked last week about nick. Wednesday's crashing cpac. Your gropers said the people who all of a sudden are extremely into the latin mass in the catholic church. And so there's kind of a were we're about family values and all this kind of stuff but then at the same time it's like there's this conflict here i mean i i think about don jr. in kimberley guilfoil talking about how she likes to dress up in a cheerleader outfit for him or whatever i mean this this toll at the heart of the republican party so brand love shows up and then like some of these groper adjacent people see her on twitter and they say. What's this porn actress doing here at. And i gotta say again. I mean it is a little odd because this is also a high school conference and there are not not just tons of adults here who scenically have no reason to be there. So yeah so she's there and this sets off like a big drama and so you know she's taunting these gripers. She's saying i'm a kid. Rock conservative and these are quote anti adult haters. Now i don't know she means anti adult in the industry or like anti adult in that these are children who are like. Why are all these adults trying to get clout off of at best a conference okay. Her stage name is brandy love and she specializes in things like the hot teacher. Or what is colloquially known as Porn so she was invited gripe like she did show up with vip pass before she shared an email showing the staff to teepee usa. Conference had unceremoniously booted her. Some may lead describe at canceling hurt from the vent. That's correct right. Like it's not much crashed. The event raving. She was supposed to be she. Didn't just like wander in the front door right. This is someone who writes for the federalist which is one of the trump ius online news outlets out there right now. She has been very explicit about her support for former president. donald trump. and it's not like she came to do porn in front of the children. She was just there in a capacity. Is someone with all of her clothes. On to sort of bask in the glow of how great trumpism in the modern republican party is. I mean these sort of pearl clutching objections to. Oh how could you have her there. My god when their children president. It's not like she was trying to turn it into a point conference for the well. And then that's when you have an ally in federalist publisher ben dominic khoo tweeded. Oh dear. God tweeted brand alone. I thought we were the conservative batboys. Whatever so yeah. So she gets the boot after a couple of hours of pressure from both the gropers. And and i have to say it seems like the teens or at least the college students i mean this is like an ongoing fight. Would the gropers not kicked out of the tps cynically they are and in fact i believe one of the are there speakers or maybe someone who who is set to appear at this week. Got the boot from that event after he was at cpac with went as. But you know there's all these groper affiliate i mean. This is a lot of these. Young people are like incredibly far right in sort of as a joke that is basically like a place to party and to be fair. There were other highly visible maga personalities and people in conservative politics legal world for example. A former trump attorney. General was tweeting about this. She herself as a staunch social conservative as well as trump conservative and talking about how. Oh if someone like brandy loved can be welcomed at teepee. Usa conference of vip. Then what does conservatism. Even mean amy more so the war other individuals kind of like getting in on it trying to make it a bigger controversy than a lot of people thought. It should have been but the fact that the tape. Usa people kind of caved and just gave her. The boot actually was a little bit surprising to be because these conferences no matter. How much like a wink or not. They give to things. Like modern day social conservatism are meant to just be a party for high school and college students. They tried to brand themselves as oh unlike the feet to politically correct lib college kids we are the actual fun ones. We are the ones who are better at meaning. We were the ones who are actually gonna throw a much better friday or party because we don't care about all of that liberal puritanism having someone like brandy love their fits within that. Well it's funny. You mention memes. Because today benny johnson. The lord himself gave his speech about how good the rights memes are and that's his only his fortnight dancing. It's genuinely horrible failure. He does like he's like. I mean for the future of america's children and stuff like that like benny gets up there and then he starts taking questions from the audience and then a bunch of the questions are about porn and specifically at the whole brandy love controversy and so this one young woman gets up and she's like how do we deal. She has all these.
The Daily Zeitgeist
"proud boys" Discussed on The Daily Zeitgeist
"I explore our differences similarities by asking people the same seven questions questions. About what makes us happy. What would curious about what love means to us this season. I'll be speaking with the brilliantly talented actor. Viola davis epic for five from dave grohl and investigative reporter ronan farrow. Listen subscribe to many questions on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to this episode of trench reducing dj shadow. I am jack that is miles. Welcome back my own. Hey how everybody Apologies upfront. I was tired of. I've ever been on this morning's episode. Y'all i see world really took it out of me and then i was also traveling last week. It was a lot. It was a lot and Apologize man fucking two times a day. My eyes were like tiny little pin holes. Just so tired now. sleep anyways I went to bed right after recording one o'clock and now i'm feeling well rested. Go and i do it all for you and we go. Let's tell the people what's trending coach. K. is trending He's retiring but not not effective immediately right. He's gonna do the farewell tour. Yeah he still needs to. I guess he he ate quite ready but he's just letting everybody know maybe it's like to get the most of the players i don't know wouldn't you play harder if you knew like your legendary coach like this it man come on guys. Let's go maybe it's after this next season. So he's always looked like hitler if he shaved his mustache lake is well. He's got i always in my mind. I'm always surprised that he's not retired. He's busy returning it. No yeah it's been around for so long you wanna talk about somebody who's acting like. Their career has spanned five decades. That is andrew giuliani at rice. Mike mike chef ski. Yeah man. I remember when i was devastated. A i was shot out of a cannon into my duke hatred with When they beat the undefeated run and ribs Unlv which was like my favorite college team of all time and just the most corrupt program targeting intern caning years But man i love. I love that team. And i went to the final four game when they lost to duke and the began my long career of jinxing Anytime i go to a game where i really have a strong rooting interest It's bad news for that team. Anyways coach k. As my friends pointed out there's something about him that just says he loves pickles doesn't he just looked like he. He would love a pickle. Yeah like he's like if you went into his office or the coaches no. Yeah let's go on to my bring casts coach calebs pickles man or he like really respects it with a forty nine shit juice urged forking knife job knock coach on. I'm telling on skinnier. And i just wanted to give me an appreciation for how polish names or spell. Because i remember it. Blew my mind when i saw its stomach. It's mike chefs ski and then it's like coach k. And on my. And then. I saw him like write. English doesn't just work in Ignorant way americans think at least the roman the roman characters. Don't i think there's no better testament to the american character than the art form of shortening polish. Last names To just the first one. You just a letter. I had a friend Skin to leschi was his last name when we just call them ski. There it is there it is baby danny ainge is retiring. Also shout out to. I probably the person i like. The least in sports it's weird phonology tendencies allegedly But i think people have report on that But i mean this this is also common the heels or he was like when kyrie irvings. Like yeah you know. i don't hope for no hopefully. There's no racism in boston and his response. I never heard any of that for many single blair that i've ever played with my racism and boston and really in fact this is the first. I've heard of racism. Because i don't see color so also i don't know history and i don't know who said all of this shit that he dealt with when he played in the garden. I'm actually colorblind. I don't see history. So oh yeah that's when it gets really weird. I just like to look forward and away at conflict Anyways he's retired. He was the president of basketball operations of for number of years. Had a lot of success as the president basketball operations with the celtics And they just got this. This makes me love the nets So much more I'm looking for reason to root for the nets. I just love watching them. Because they've they've just nobody's ever put together three perimeter players as good as they've got and they just bounced them but bounced the celtics unceremoniously from the from the first round and the next day danger tires. Come on. i love you i love. Yeah anyways Good riddance to good garbage Proud boys and oath keepers are trending. Speaking of garbage urbana Their trip in man. Where what. Why are they tripping there. Because you know the the cases are getting You know they're they're intensifying like from the straight up conspiracy cases that they're building with the oath keepers like. There's just a huge. There's like schisms happening where people are trying to distance themselves from local. Chapters is disagreements. I mean this is you know. They're they're starting to scatter. I mean this one Journalist was putting it. That's sort of saying like you know the the reason people it's attractive is that they have like this. Were winning narrative really prevalent in clear in the trump years. Especially when you know. You're getting shout outs. And shit like that But this is sort of like you know there's pointing out there like it's very important that these people are as many people are brought to you know to try and find justice To actually come to counter that idea or that the presentation or concept of what these people are. It ain't winning. It ain't writing that. Yeah it's hard to hold onto white supremacy when you're so clearly not supreme right. I might one question. Just kind of tangentially related but that I think i asked on a recent episode. Blake do are there have any journalistic institutions talked about their plans. To deep dive into the insurrection Because i never had a lot like high hopes for any governmental truth fact finding commission right like it's not like incapable. Yeah so like why. Why were let's say want your money. They figured out real quick..
Political Analytical
"proud boys" Discussed on Political Analytical
"Other hosts we have gordon d park. We have rick. Warren james tubes. Are you gentlemen doing tonight. Good evening guys. Are you guys doing great doing well. We still trying to get over the three earthquake we had you guys have no fun in your life do you. You know we're able to at least have an earthquake releases slight trimble. I mean that would put a little bit of excitement out here. Unfortunately it's all working play. We got here we did. Y'all did yeah three of them. You'll have all kinds of interesting things. Earthquakes tornadoes or did women go kind of fun stuff going. Hey i'm here to tell you main gentleman we got a. We got a great show tonight. It was a gordon's turn to kind of pick some topics and he picks some interesting things here. We're going to be talking about the proud boys charges in the capital. People who are charged with being or being charged with insurrection in charge and in these charges are what. They're actually charging. These people within is that correct is that right People flooding across an open border. Who is helping them in hawaii. Fema is looking to build places and barricades for these families. Who's paying for these. And how are american lives being affected by these illegals crossing the border. Finally we are discussing komo and the stimulus checks and who's getting them in who isn't While that's all that's a lot of stuff that we're going to cover an hour so hope everybody is ready. Please if you get a chance to go ahead and turn your volume up. Kick back and get ready for an interesting show. And we're going to start this off with gordon part since you're the one that came up with all these great topics and we're going to be talking about that right now is Was looking through. A lot of the news feeds today and trying to see what all. I'd missed this past week. Which one much turns out but the civil things really really got under my skin and perturbed me one of the big things. Is you know the people that were arrested at the capitol during that whole riot They're being charged with insurrection. And that's not a state offense. That's not a a lower felony. That's one step underneath trees. These people can actually be executed for this crime. So my question is are they. Is this a viable charge. That needs to be levied against these people in if this is a viable charge levied against these people. Are we going to go back. As as americans and look at the news footage in identify people who were in portland in seattle. And you know all these places where we burned Partial cities to the ground minnesota in a arrests those people in charge with insurrectionist lowers this just limited to the boys. This just sending a message to the conservative saying we're going to pinpoint you and we are going to come after you. What are your thoughts. Yes us yes. That's what's going to happen Because already see in congress and everything else that's going on right now They can do what they want. And do as i say not as i do And that's the reason. Dr seuss's getting cancelled and everything else. Mr potato head. Give me a frigging break from. Of course they're gonna they're gonna isolate these guys in charge them with the fullest and not won't go after anything in seattle with anti bowl any of this stuff. They won't do anything to those folks right there because that would be against their plan and their agenda in. So yeah you're right. That's exactly what's going to happen. They're going to isolate and charge the shit out of these guys and no. I don't think an insurrection. The proper i think Maybe criminal trespass or You know something like that would be appropriate but insurrection. No i don't agree with that. Rick i think you're right. I mean look at the definition of insurrection to begin with and see that. Actually there's nothing there that that's going to verify. Under the definition of insurrection that these people were doing. They were occupying federal space. Yes but as a american person. I think we have that right to symbol and we're that jr is going to be Basically a one of those medical questions at your logistical teams. Going to have to ask. What do you think. Eddie i agree. I think you're going to make an example out of it and it's basically a warning to everybody to back off and to not ever try anything whatsoever to be noticed. I think this is something. That's gonna be a continuing occurrence if anybody tries anything and examples. It'd be made these people publicly and it's and it's loudly as possible however i also think that'd be a lamb and all these other idiots that are going to be running around burning and torching you're going to be left hooks and if you're not one of these stupid morons sit near destroying things. I think you're going to be handled quite differently. And i think it's going to be a big of. It's going to be a big mess and it's gonna it's gonna put out a very wrong message to the american people especially patriots that are out there who love and believe in this country. Let me take this a step further recommending touch back on something that you stated. These guys had the right to to assemble peacefully. They had the right to march up the stairs of the capitol building and they had to write to go up to the doors but the looting and the violence and everything that went along with it was not right. Can ever condone that kind of thing. But to your point rig mike again. I'm going to play the devil's advocate. Here who set those boundaries that they're that we're going to say hey you're allowed up to this point but no further. I don't believe that there's a current rule that says that you can as an american person can't walk up to the doors while congress is in session. You could win but you have every right to go up to the doors. You gotta remember folks. That's a building. We paid for with our tax dollars. Is public land. Exactly less what i'm saying. What gives them the right to block us out into not. Let us through the doors whether they're in session or not walking up to the doors one thing but we should also have the right to walk through the doors. Long as it's peaceful let talking about. There is basically the protocol and etiquette of the house and the congress and the politicians there in each one of them have have an etiquette and protocol in assemblage in each chamber in agreement. That has.
Pantheon
"proud boys" Discussed on Pantheon
"Maybe drop a little bit empty at some point here to watch a whole black same as to how people.
Pantheon
"proud boys" Discussed on Pantheon
"Ships. And i wanted especially say this on. Two ships is the most bryce sounding song.