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"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Between The Lines
"And welcome to between the lines this is Tom Switzer in Camber this week today today on the show the PM mates president trump for a rare state dinner the second only at this White House the hugging will be warm the rhetoric sweet but ponder this could Washington camera clash of China's increasing assertiveness plus how to discover the joy of private giving and we'll hear from one of America's leading authorities on philanthropy. He's message how the American way of generosity could solve Australian problems stay with us for that well about fifteen years ago on August eighteen two thousand four then foreign minister Alexander Downer created a diplomatic firestorm his ABC's payday cave on the world today speaking matters Diplomatic Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has taken Australia one extra step closer to China and sent a strong counter signal to the United States any military conflict over Taiwan has long been seen as the crucial crucial test for Australia in what's become a delicate diplomatic balancing act now. Mr Down says that camera would not be obliged to help the US in any military standoff. If I of Taiwan contradicting the Bush administration that said that such help would in fact be expected in a statement which is sure to please Beijing Mr Down says in the case of a military clash over Taiwan the ANZUS Treaty with Washington is symbolic and the camera would not side with Taiwan and that was from an I Bassi report in August two thousand four the response to Alexander down his remarks will that was overwhelmingly hostile one roll gold diplomatic diplomatic disaster. That's what the shadow foreign affairs spokesman. Kevin Rudd said grievous foolish needless slammed the Australians Greg Sheridan the US ambassador select down down on making it clear he expected camera would help the US in any military conflict in the region. His role Reagan's former China Policy Elsie expert Lawrence Korb this time with Illinois Hall on the World Today Learn score. What's your sense of the view inside the US administration. I mean is there. An assumption Austrailia will fight alongside the United States in the event of a of a conflict with China well. I think there is providing that the conflict is not caused by Taiwan unilaterally federally declaring independence. I think the assumption would be if China without provocation would decide to settle the Taiwan issue once and for all all by military means. I think that would be the assumption now. Fifteen Years Elida as China has become far more powerful both economically and militarily. It's worth asking what happens if we don't support the Americans in defending Taiwan from Chinese attack if not does this spell the end of the the US Australia Security Alliance well for answers. Let's turn to one of Australia's imminent security experts pull deeb emeritus professor of Strategic Studies at the Australian Australia National University. He was recently a guest of Taiwan's Foreign Ministry and he joins me in camera poll. Welcome back to our in. Thank you now. You've recently returned from hi one for high level meetings. What did you learn what I learned in talks with the President President Cy is that they're scrutinized in what's going on on an Hong Kong in incredible detail and while I was there publicly the president's size said what's happening in Hong Kong confirms that the idea of one country two systems. Is Now dead now when you say one-country-two-systems. How does that apply to Taiwan well. How Version Ping wanted to apply to Taiwan is that you're out of the Chinese motherland and we can do with you in Taiwan. What we've we've done with the Hong Kong people you will have a situation of your freedom of speech. You're free enterprise economy but you will become I'm part of us but for a period like with Hong Kong will allow your freedoms and then eventually you'll be absorbed now. We've seen the ridiculous nature of that the play in what's happening in Hong Kong. Yes I mean the tall one as of obviously being very nervous about China since what Chan Koschick thought was Richard Nixon's since gripe pretrial by going to China Nineteen seventy-two your argument is there more nervous more anxious than ever before yes they are and you know with the unpredictability ability of the president of the United States and never more stronger threatening China. They have good reason to be concerned Tom. Unless just I remember for your listeners. Taiwan is a vigorous democracy of twenty four million people democracy which really changes government and you'll recall a few two years ago the students occupied the parliament with the sunflower movement imagine that happening in Beijing Okay but China and this is the conventional wisdom. Paul Deeb is becoming coming more and more capable and powerful doesn't that suggest time works in China's five. I'm afraid if you look at it from an objective point of view China is looking at a situation where increasingly the young in Taiwan in their twenties and thirties over seventy seventy five percent of the my densify not as Chinese but as Taiwan and that means the clock is ticking and they know that Washington is obliged by treaty treaty with Thai Pie in the late nineteen seventies to sawed with Taiwan in any military standoff with China question. How do you think the trump administration has handle the Taiwan issue with difficulty but you remember that early on if you've days after he was made president he rang present cy and that really got the Chinese going in other words he recognized that she was the president of a country and you know we have to go on with this myth that this country doesn't exist does not exist exist and they've just lost Solomon Islands now if the US came to the defense of Taiwan some skeptic such as Arrow friend Professor Hugh Laatsai that the Americans could be inviting catastrophe on itself. Hugh suggests that nucleus tax potentially against the US mainland. They're not out of question pulled well. He's a colleague but he's wrong and the issue is do we actually believe that America is leery scared of using nuclear weapons that the only country in the world to dropped to and you know in the in the cold war the Soviets I can tell you from personal experience actually took very seriously American threats of preemptive emptive nuclear war and to think that in any case that America would stand by and watch your Democracy Vibrant Democracy of twenty four million people savagely savagely occupied by authoritarian. What do you think that would mean for other American allies who are democracies like Japan and South Korea. I mean I mean if we're going to raise the nuclear equation they may well decide under those conditions of America folding its arms and leading the communist March into Taiwan that they that is Japan Adam South Korea might well go nuclear by the way under those conditions some of the country's Mike. My guess is Paul D Professor of security studies at the Australian National University that he was a senior Australian defence intelligence official. I'm right disciple that you were the first such to visit Communist China in nineteen seventy eight. Yep and guess what they showed showed me their submarine building. You would allow them put me on one of those is Russian submarines. Wow now in the mentioned down by the way. Do you remember that down. Oh I think for memory you might have even written an article familiar strategy blasting the foreign minister. I may well have but at the time from memory the Prime Minister John Howard he come things down. He's argument was a camera would work hard to resolve any conflict between rising and Washington because these were his words relationships with both nations are in our interest the strategic competition between the US Jason China's become more intense in the last few days canal lead is still use that language no I don't think so and by the way the proper way diplomatically that how how it should have responded is what before the misstep by Alexander down and would be along the following. We do not answer hypothetical questions questions like this right and a story. That's the proper way and that still would be the proper way by the way but do I think that the Americans still expect there's several years ago when he was Deputy Secretary of State Rich Armitage who you and I remember well said to me did in the event that the US Marines adine across the Taiwan Straits mate we expect you walls as to die alongside as well you call the Downer remarks misstep widely interpreted as a gaffe does the treaty require Australia to Saad with Washington and thus Taiwan in a strict it legal reading of the treaty eight does not have what NATO has that his article fine in the event of an attack on one is an attack on all their there is just the generic sort of very loosely wooded commitment that says in the event of an attack on hi the High Contracting Parties. That's the United States is telling us and in the Pacific area we shall immediately consult with regard to our political processes you know in their case. Congress in our case the parliament now unlike when and how likely for the reasons I understand at the time of the attacks on the Twin Towers in two thousand and one invoked the treaty that was not attack in the Pacific area Afghanistan Taiwan shores how is in the Pacific area and that leads to a further point Tom and that is if Ustralia didn't fight alongside the Americans in the event of an unprovoked attack by China then let's just go through the list of allies allies who might well stand alongside the United States and it's a long negative list not South Korea not any of the Southeast Asian countries not Canada Renews. The owned in my view not any European countries including that shambles of country. I was born in the United Kingdom that you know likes wars but might draw the line at that and that would leave us and Japan Japan you know would be careful but in the end its relations with Taiwan a very close and a Chinese occupation of Taiwan would be imminently threatened in terms of the geography of Japan that then would leave. US member of the five is community. The only member number five is community. That should be rightly expected to say yes in my view. We'll the prime minister is meeting with President Trump state dinner very rare occasion as you well know a commercial skeptics listening to this program and they'd say to you a why would why should Australia put itself in between these two nuclear armed powers because by saying no we would then be encouraging China to be even more aggressive. You know I've known to remind your listeners. The Chinese through that militarization of the South China Sea of brought Chinese military power one thousand doesn't three hundred kilometers closer to Australia's vulnerable northern approaches so we're not talking about some theory the factors any respectable judgment of who could really attackers who currently have the military capabilities other than the United States is China. Japan is a democracy so as India and you and I I know that democracies don't attack each other and indicates neither Japan nor India have the forward military projection that China is currently building up an only in Southeast Asia but to our East in the islands of the South Pacific but China matters so much to us economically. It is a widespread view not just among academics but the business community mindy. Let me run a quote by you. This is Linda Jakobsen a prominent china-watcher. She's quoted here in the Financial Review. Whatever you think about China financially intially in economically there is no market that will replace China for decades as far as Australia is concerned. We can quibble over how Australia Austria out here and we can all agree these kind of dependencies very unhealthy. The fact of the matter is a straight is hugely dependent on China for its prosperity. Eh China is going to be a trend setter as standard setter in a whole host of areas. We haven't even thought about this is a country we need to engage with deeply whether we like them or not many in the security establishment who have been quite active in the public arena simply don't want to acknowledge this so that was Linda Jacobson in the strain financial review a few months ago Paul Deb your prominent figure in the security stablishment. How would you respond to Linda Jakobsen because so I've had different policy experience that the highest levels of government including running the most sensitive of America's intelligence facilities. I actually see it from a different point of view. I think business community men and women of done as a disservice by their spittle approach to China. Do we need to keep reminding people. It's not just just any old other country. It's a nasty authoritarian communist power that has killed fifty four million of its own people that has a dreadful human rights record and as we've seen in Hong Kong. They've got the guts to do things that we should take notice of Paul Dibb always great to have you on iron my pleasure Tom. Paul deb a leading security. Do you think at the Australian National University's College of Asia and the Pacific on.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Between The Lines
"Corners episode and the resurfacing of allegations relating to eastern yeah well this weekend marks the twentieth anniversary of the east taymor vote for independence for the next fortnight is what they compete september ninety nine the world would see the pro jakarta militia inflict brutality and suffering on the breakaway defacto indonesian asian province death toll estimates range into thousands and tens of thousands of timorese fled their homes to escape murderous militias and the indonesian soldiers. He became their patterns and crime. They applied witness to daily volunteer like this which took place in september ninety nine. I go to dili and this morning. The u n mission in east timor is in crisis. Pro-jakarta militia have now struck at the heart of the u._s. Presence in the troubled territory last night people were cut down the streets just meters from the u._n.'s headquarters in t- more at least two people were killed in the brutal street battle between gun tainting militia and pro independence levels as hundreds of eye witnesses watched indonesian police cower before the militia's advance. These were heady eighty days for australian diplomacy led by the house government as troops were sent as team more soldiers guide which t- more as part of a great australian striding military tradition which has never sought to impose the will of this country on others at only to defend what he right they go without goodwill and total support. We wish them god speed and a safe return home now as taymor amounted to almost important military involvement since the vietnam war and it was a great achievement. He's the wall street journal editorial it took guts and a generous commitment of money and prestige for australia to lead other asian democracies in helping to protect helpless was people elsewhere in the region. That was the wall street journal now. Remember foreign policy team included the prime minister john howard defense minister john more day fat hid ashton calvert general peter cosgrove and foreign minister alexander downer who joins us from london now these days alexander downer is executive chairman of the international school of government at the king's college in london and he's chairman of policy exchange a prominent british think tank get i alexander welcome back to ibiza radio. Thank you very much thomas a pleasure to be here now. In only seventy five indonesia nick stays tamely it was occupied until the end of sahara's downfall ninety ninety eight and and then of course <hes> the referendum was twenty years ago this weekend. When did you recognize that. An independent team was lockley well. It's a good question so when weekend to government in nineteen ninety six we knew as the previous government the casing governments and then the whole government before that had found that the issue is team goal was always gonna hijack our relationship with indonesia we will never really going to be able to build right conduct relationship with indonesia we needed to and the people of table and our next door neighbor of strangled was suffering through constant conflict invalid so we engage the intonation government they president suharto auto went on. I went to see him elliott test then foreign minister constantly on the issue of his team urging them to do something to break the mold and change the situation there so they came up with this policy called wide ranging autonomy and they said well if we give to more wide-ranging wrenching autonomy perhaps that will come violence that was their plan so in nineteen ninety eight i totally tests that we would do a survey of of these timorese opinion amy's team oh but also in the aspirin <hes> straggler in portugal and so on and we asked people what they thought a wide ranging autonomy and with that be sufficient for them and basically the answer we got back from them was only for a short period of time about eventually we want to choice as to whether we become independent on so this led to us not only did i tell elliott tests of the results of the survey but it led to the famous howard letting to habibie which i drafted with ashton calverton we had a national security committee cabinet consider this letter and we agreed that john how should sign it and said the lesson to habibie at the end of the year i don't remember exactly when but it was around early december before christmas christmas and how baby on receiving this less than we had a good relationship with how baby on saving us less was. I think pretty annoyed to cite the least he himself summoned his cabinet to consider the letter and decided no no. We're not going to provide wide ranging autonomy for say ten years this and then hold a referendum at the end of that. We'll go ahead and have referendum right away so way. Were happy with that and <hes> that's what happens i mean. There's a lot more to it than all of that but that's pretty much what happened in this was the pathway that led to nearly december nine hundred and i remember there was a whole class of so-called experts. The paul keating's the greg sheridan the dick wilcox that was signed. This was a polling humiliation of jakarta but she's still convinced indonesia to allow the team will referendum results to succeed from indonesia august thirty the next year yeah so that were a lot of people who basically argued that we should stick with the policy that we'd had for quite some years on the labor and liberal governments <hes> but i took the view that but it was never really gone work. It wasn't sustainable in the long term because it was clear that people have these team or didn't want wide-ranging autonomy they wanted independence indi- and you know you can michael the economic arguments. She liked by the way to people about the advantage of not being independent <hes> but they don't care about the economic cost cost. They just want to be independent. They just wanted their own country. Yeah very nationalistic to use the terminology of the modern day so i thought honestly if you want to solve these team all problem and you want to long-term stable relationship with indonesia you have to break the mold here and that is going to quote some short term diplomatic pain for long-term gain which i have to say has proved to be completely right and let's go to the independence vote august thirty nine hundred ninety nine the next fortnight we had pro-jakarta militias thou a rampaging out of control and his team will coal's growing for the federal government to do something to stop the brutality. I'll never forget kim beazley parliament. He was the opposition leader saying do something prime minister but at the same time is very clear. The indonesian military opposed the involvement movement of peacekeepers so you must have had grind doubts about committing strolling troops in those circumstances well. We've got to go to war with indonesia which twist what kim beazley was arguing. I do know that i usually friends out there on the left was screaming at <unk> asian archery on an honest honest never understood the emotions that drive people on the left seemed to be very rational very often. We're of course happy for our military to into tobago and we had made preparations in darwin full military intervention. Should it be possible to make that military intervention so we had troops troops in sullen assembled in townsville and darwin to to send it but of course first of all we had to get indonesians to a grade and we had get a u._n. Security council resolution authorizing the intervention. This didn't take us very long by the way because it happened. There was a night pick meeting meeting in oakland through all of this period and we used that apec meeting which president clinton attended to nominee persuade the intonations the nation's that they really had to allow the peacekeeping force but to start building that peacekeeping force the coalition of countries because we've got to do it on our roane if we could help but to build a coalition of countries and particularly to get together some other southeast asian countries as countries and get some support to pull from the americans and get that security council resolution through the u._n. Security council this is tom switzer on iran and i'm chatting with the former foreign minister alexander zand down away marking the twentieth anniversary of australia's liberation of team from indonesia. You mentioned clinton. Alexander ace taymor it has to be said certainly in august of ninety nine was not on his writer. He was more focused on most of our time so we not only wanted a security council resolution solution in the americans to help with that that was less of a problem we wanted the americans to provide some particular logistical support to the peacekeeping fools <unk> boots on the ground and the clinton administration was totally a <unk> and we had quite a successful is the best swipe put a phone hook-up with him where he i take quite reluctantly said <unk>. We probably can do something to help. You will see what we can do. Look into it. Sorry just to backtrack a bit. You went public on c._n._n. To criticize the americans and on september seven you took a call from madeleine albright and she called you to express chris who enga talks about that exchange i <hes> exactly because the americans some as we've been discussing said that they wouldn't do to help <unk> ended i this this aroused the emotions of john howard in may because see that where into into its strategy in history and we know it will distract has done working working with the americans and sometimes to help the americans so we were pretty angry about that so i went on c._n._n. And expressed expressed my disappointment that the americans went prepared to help us and madeleine albright in i like ten minutes later rang me and said i was lying in my bed watching watching you on t._v. Criticizing our administration wants to say how disappointed i am that you would have taken that approach and i said to her well. Maybe but i am profoundly disappointed that you're not prepared to opus and parents to that was look on doing my best as secretary of state about half to persuade the president as being reluctant up until now so just leave it with me and promise you make any more critical public comments as i said well. We'll give you a bright on. I think the other thing that <hes> people in australia would never really think about is that indonesia was colonized by the dot coach and fought a war of independence and this whole notion of western pows colonizing them <hes> controlling rolling them having their armies spread around their countries. If maine's a huge amount of country like that so the idea of us sending a truce into indonesia was hitch lee resisted by elements of the indonesian military so we did worry even though the peacekeeping escaping <unk> been agreed to by president hobby agreed to by general were run to- who was the head of tea and i at the time of the indonesian military and a great by the u._n. Security council <hes> ways that could be at least elements of the intonation military which would militarily resist the peacekeeping force and so by the the end of september ninety nine indonesian army hands over authority for his team or to a multinational force obviously led by australia by by early early october. Ninety nine is still had you critics. Paul keating was one of them. He accused both you and john howard of political opportunism attempting to school domestic.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on WMAL 630AM
"I'm john. This is the John Batchelor show. The news from us. Is that the coalition of liberal national coalition has won an absolute majority in the parliament? This is stronger than before in an election. That is the prize to all the Allen, that was that I've seen from London from Canberra from Beijing from Washington. The reelection of the continuation of prime minister Scott Morrison and the resignation of the labor leader Bill shorten following the loss. He resigns stays in parliament I- humiliation from Mr. short. But at the same time, what does it mean? Greg Copley the editor and publisher of defense and foreign affairs is on his way home draws strata the Rowling of the clan, the total surprise Gregor is travelling. So I begin by asking a housekeeping question. Gregory a very good evening to you Bon voyage. However, what does it mean? That Morrison now has an absolute majority. Does that mean that he can banish the climate changes? Does he have dick Katori powers now in Australia? Good evening to Gregory. Good evening, John. No, he is a little way victim, toil house lodge, because the government con command control of the Senate. The senators divided between the coalition and lay and a lot of independence, and small parties, get vegetation. So he needs to, to move his way through the, the senate's with legislation. However, he can make a number of decisions, which actually minimize the demand to appease the, the climate change, which is almost insanely out of control. And it's it's it's been dictating attends of everything. Some years now even the government has been cautious about. Opposing the climate change sentiment this election showed that the electoral actually rejected the climate change argument in stave of stable, electrical supply, and, and stable and lowering electricity prices, which are now deemed critical to the economy. So yes, the problem is on track to get the some semblance of, of balanced back into the into the situation bearing in mind that all of the show that no matter want straight might do to bring it's common emissions down. None of would have an impact on the roll situation. Blowback even even assuming that you can get pretty full of directed impact on climate change. The climate change was one of the stories that Bill shorten was telling at the end this, I understood. He was looking to raise taxes on the rich. He was also looking to make accommodation with the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China has been a source of revenue and strength and growth in Australia. For many decades, shortens defeat, does that mean that Australia will maintain a confrontational attitude towards China, or does the coalition now also seek to accommodate in order to maintain growth. The straining to call me, does to logic depend on. And that, that will continue. However, the reality is, and the government knows that, that the Chinese economy flat, and therefore that you can't expect much growth out of the Chinese the time being China will now move from importing additional rule materials on one like to importing more agricultural output from us radio. So that is actually a significant factor. But right now, it's actually hitting mystic economy in domestic market by by siphoning off. If you like huge portion of the output to go to China to domestic markets. Now what we see with a coalition government on the prime minister that now is that. Will maintain its strong security relationship with the United States. So it's in fact, successfully, if you like divided it's, it's a tension, so that, yes, we they trade with China about also that we need to maintain the security arrangement, which constrains China from interfering in political life and South Pacific political live. And the like so a strata is now. Well committed with the with the, the ends alive, states of the US and museums to expanding its capability to project power and influence into Saudi, and the South Pacific particular, and to engaging in coalition military activities as necessary in the Middle East and in the Indian Ocean region, generally, and it's very has been spending a loss on defense is really one of those countries which just gone to that two percent level. And, and as the Hugh. Awesome. Now device advanced systems in ships, aircraft and unmanned vehicles, submarines and. Belie the twenty five million population of the country is actually really is the guardian of South East Asian space avoid ways in the South Pacific. You mentioned one particular Australian army reserve Brigadier Senator Linda Reynolds, who has been for the coalition. The minister for defence procurement, she is now your analysis to be defense minister, what's the significance there is she a hawk was. He is he's very strong because of careers army reservist a three decades. She's now retired to retard as I woman, bigoted, general, one sock in the eight shoes, incredibly central and really open to I d is not closed off as some of predecessors abate, and I have to say, in fact on. This visit to by she's a wish to straight. And so she's hobby conscious of the importance of the Indian Ocean. It's out of the Pacific situation, whereas some of the other ministers have been less shall we say committed to understanding the ramifications of a strategist commitment to, to being the guardian of Indian Ocean ninety against China. But also the titular the been cautious about balancing India in the nation. Gregory one, I read the guardian about their starting election and admittedly. The guardian is a long way away, and it has an ideological background. I understand that. But one analysis of why Morrison prevailed is that he was promising less turmoil than shorten was promising that he was rapper. He had for example. He had former Prime Minister John Howard campaign for him to remind people the way things used to be is Australia. Unhappy. Is it is it in turmoil? Internally to people feel at odds with their government. Yes. To a degree not as much as we see in kingdom all with near even with some sectors of US population. But, but people in Australia as with most of the western world dissatisfied with the. Slack performance professional politicians what we see with this code, but it is liberal, Taty, and the national party initially it used to be cool, the country party, and it does represent rural voted. So at least this way, saying a an reemphasise on balance between an and rural interests, which is found. And I think for the first time. The privatised has seen the advantage to be gained with electric all abandoning the insanity which, which the guardian and other back like advocate, which is. To promote the planet chains agenda, as though it were the, the, the life of the nation dependent on the it's, it's sort of not. Overly stressing gay rights or women's rights. It was the coalition government, which of course, did pass the full gay marriage. So it's not hasn't been a vest that the country took the lead and, and passed legislation, most straight in vases, want to return to stability, normalcy, such as the how often a couple of decades ago, and they and there is now the promise get it. An essay almost instability, that doesn't mean a lack of, of a positive agenda quite the country. It means a return to it, and minimizing the division of political and economic interest to would unproductive agendas. Australia's competitiveness in the region has declined dramatically depositi forty years compared with its neighbors, and in order to attend to competitiveness and productivity. It definitely needs to get back to industrialization. Innovation doesn't mean it of Jews a, a hosted industrial aspect to its economy is the service economy and the, the computerized IT software aside of the economy, but it does mean getting back to economy, which is is balanced. And that's what the Marsden government is attempting to including. The resumption of coal mining for exports to China. India, you mentioned one government. That is not a stray that is that is at we'll find a gain in Morrison's reelection and that's Taiwan. We have a couple of minutes. Why Taiwan celebrating Morrison's victory? Because ustralia he's committed to the US Japanese strategic alliance, which is about the containment of the People's Republic of China into the marathon. Realm inside. I island chain tentacles extending down from Japan Taiwan, the Philippines like this means that Taiwan again, become central to that security. Right. But in, in keeping Beijing out of maritime operations in dominant sense into the central Pacific critic, open the United States as well. But. Now, I think will they only on knows that strata has to be careful about not offending Beijing, too? But they should have some reasonable types that will continue to step up its diplomatic and intelligence liaison with Taipei and, and to make sure that there's much greater coordination of activity between us Raga, Japan, Taiwan and the United States. I'm speaking with Greg Copley, the veteran, public defense, foreign affairs. He's in route home to Australia to talk of the significant victory of the Morrison government. When we come back, we're going to go to Africa and Gregory's analysis after another election, a deeply troubled election in Nigeria. I'm John Batchelor. This is the John Batchelor show..
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Monocle Daily
"Take a look at the Asian and Australasian newspapers we're joined once again by John Everard, former UK ambassador to North Korea among other postings, John first of all to the New Zealand Herald. And obviously they have their hands somewhat full have had since Friday morning with the terrorist attacks at two mosques in Christ Church. This is following up on Justin Dorado, and the prime minister's planned legislative response to this which is to she announced his very early on that they would be changes to the gun laws, and she appears to be entirely serious. Well, that's right and significantly. She she made us an ounce standing next to Winston Peters. A deputy who of course, it's been a long standing opponent of any change gun laws who said simply that after one o'clock on Friday, everything had changed. So we're going to get a change of gun laws. New Zealand to be brought forward in the next ten days said. Prime Minister Hun and a lot of people have already started to hand in their guns. It comes on the short to realize that in New Zealand, if you have a license to have a gun, you can buy pretty much as many guns as you like. And when the police were asked how many guns they thought resignation that they read it. No, there are echoes here. Obviously the point has been made over strangers response to the Port Arthur massacre few years back in the then Prime Minister, John Howard made a determined effort to tighten straight gun laws and to get people to hand in guns. They had it looks like they'll be a similar response in New Zealand, and it's just it's that obvious compare and contrast with the United States. It's it strikes me at least there's a difference there in the way that the guns are regarded, I think strategy the New Zealanders who own them tend to regard the more the resporting implements or work tools, not necessarily so much as avatars of their idea. Entity in a way that American gun owners too. I think that's exactly right. And of course, there's no constitutional clause saying that citizens should be allowed to to bear arms. I I think the majority of people in in New Zealand probably study to usually say either sport offer agriculture. I mean getting rid of pests, they don't have the kind of of political successively that they do in the United States, and you can see also just how different the public reaction has been in New Zealand to this mass shooting we've been through mass shooting ultima shooting in the United States and still the gun lobby did his hills in in New Zealand. The reaction has been very quick people start to handguns in even before the laws passed let's move along to the Philippines story being reported here from the Philippine Star a illustrative, but wretchedly depressing story about the pollution of our seas. Yes. That's right. A a a whale a beaked whale found dead near the city of Davao in the Philippines, examined by marine. Biologist was. Found to how in its five hundred kilo also body about forty kilos of ingested plastics, sixteen rice, sacks innumerable shopping bags and a dazzling array of other one use plastic item. The photographs going the article are disgusting and graphic of the moon. Baldur's putting out great waters of semi semiconductor by plastic. The being there quite some time from the fortunate creatures belly. This is not the largest whole aplastic from a well. But proportionately I mean, this is almost ten percent of the wells body mass. It is the largest ever found and the marine biologist are quite right to get such prominence. Is it a shocking indictment of the pollution of our oceans and the toll that we're taking on bring life? It is a yeah, there's there's nothing to like about the story. I do council listeners a few times owns ahead of us. Probably avoid the photos of the currently consuming the breakfast moving along too. Hong Kong this story being reported in the South China Morning post, but elsewhere, as well, this is about to subway trains world, you could say that they are testing the new signal system and in the process of doing that test they discovered it doesn't work terrifically. Well, I think that's a succinct summary of. And specifically I it's a signaling system set a software produced by the French company tireless, which is is called smart track..
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"He derived to face a crowd of angry campaign is waving placards. Many had come to see the moment. He lost his liberty. The judge said it was clear that the seventy seven year old and thought he could get away with abusing too young choirboys during his time as Melbourne's archbishop pal has lodged an appeal against his conviction, and we'll return to the court in two weeks to learn his sentence, which is likely to be a prison term of several years during the hearing his defense barriers to enter ten character references on his behalf including one from the former Prime Minister, John Howard said that the cardinal would be vulnerable to attack in prison and suffered from heart problems. He agreed. Due to a DNA sample being taken from. While news from the BBC. Indonesian rescuer because say they're trying to reach more than sixty people who have affairs trapped or buried by landslides after an illegal gold mine collapsed in north Sulawesi province disaster agency says it rescued fourteen injured people from the rubble, but one of them had died. President Trump says if North Korea gives up its nuclear weapons its potential would be in his words awesome. Mr. Trump tweeted from the Vietnamese capital Hanoi, while he's about to embark on a second summit with North Korean leader, Kim Jong UN John Sopa reports from Hanoi. President Trump seems to have a twin track strategy and trying to set the tone for this summit. I is to offer Kim Jong UN Vietnam as a vision of what North Korea could become leave aside. The slight oddity of an elected US, president touting a communist one party state, which Vietnamese as the model to follow. But it's true. The economy here is booming Vietnamese, thriving few places on earth. The president tweeted this morning North Korea would be the same in very quickly. If denuclearize he said. And the other approaches to ho Kim Jong UN in a woman brace the White House says three of yet narms commercial carriers. Vietjet bamboo, always and Vietnam Airlines have signed av. Creation deals with two American firms Boeing and sabre worth at least fifteen billion dollars. They did. So on the eve of the meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong UN in Hanoi. Mr. Trump has previously urged communist Vietnam to reduce its trade deficit with the US. Figures. Four twenty eighteen showed the birth rate in South Korea has fallen to a record low the average number of children born to a woman in the country last year fell to North Point nine eight giving South Korea the lowest birth rate among the world's richest nations. It's fall below the level that would keep the country's population stable, and that's the latest BBC world news. Thanks for that news. Hello. And welcome to Newsday. Shaimaa Khalil and Connie shop, we need Pakistan retaliating after India's airstrikes Nigeria's, president Bahari winning a second term and the second US North Korea summit that in short is what will be looking at in the next half hour. The fest Pakistan says it.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on The Fifth Column
"I'm in. We've really entered the pathetic gutter now, do you think, sorry, east as non-american I'm interested in hearing from youth three Americans. Do you think that two and a half more like this should what's not? I'm an illegal immigrant, his dramatic. Not sure if that's right. You. I was born here. Do you think that they should that they is and what to be a human rights and democracy promotion component to America's dealings with other countries will should it be America first, transactional, whatever works for us without regard to whether or not with string high value? Let me answer for the group of Moynihan's this, fuck. Yeah, I say fuck out caveats and camellias. Fuck now I say, fuck you caveats to, I would say I would say this year to your previous point is I think is right? Is that when you have the opportunity to do so with, you know, without jeopardizing a lot and I, I'm going to be as vague as I can possibly being. As is that you know, everyone is really exercise about Donald Trump's reaction to the Saudis and the house of Saudi, you know, we were kind of chuckling about, I'm in love with Kim Jong, Hoon and provided that Donald Trump can do something that previous presidents haven't, we will deal with and give concessions to people who are the most monstrous human rights abusers on earth, at least the Saudis can have an internet and escape if they if they want. So I mean there's a, there's a certain amount of like, you can't be consistent about these things so is always going to be somebody on the left or the right saying that so and so's inconsistent. I mean, you see this all the time is that, oh, you want to spread democracy here, but then you're alive with these people. You know, there's a, there's Kissinger like realism about it, not the realism, but the the real politics has to be grounded in some kind of consistency in order to make any into Jimmy Carter is foreign policy was was a human rights focused foreign policy. And let me just explain why I'm putting this too, was a an outside. Perspective when you are a medium sized country like Estrada, you can care all of you. All you want that chuckle about Matt money million. That's media twenty-five where the size of the contiguous United States, and we one of the top ten economies in the world. Okay. As a sheet out in front of him. From the embassy population wise wait. And even even then I think out the continents for for FOX. Yeah. This point is not a lot going on and I went up to blue a Monaco. So strata has this conversation all the time with China because we are the deputy sheriff of the western world in the Asia Pacific in Asia, and there is such a power that's literally something that former Prime Minister John Howard said in terms of it was during the intervention in these team, oh, where strategy was the lead of the United Nations? Peacekeeping forces and someone said, you're a quick John Howard impersonation Sparta, look for the three stratagems in may be listening, I will have. No, I will. I will. I will find this to be a tremendously accurate impersonation. If you don't know, John Howard is apparently the Wilford brim Lee. It's a bit of. I can't believe it. We'll go to the east Tibor. Yeah, Jimmy. Stewart. Yeah, that's exactly what rob. The the conundrum for that can undermine fo- powers that don't stand astride the the planet has global colossus is that this such a power imbalance, that is the Australian knows that there's nothing that we can do to China other than just make Lee say, could you please be nice to your people and what and the indispensable nation is the United States still. So the reason why I think it's worth the reason why it's incumbent on Americans as voters to try to figure out what they think about this is because without America, everybody else's just pissing into the wind. The thing that I want to highlight quickly because Matt almost correctly characterized my perspective on this. Democracy promotion abroad. I'm certainly less bullish on for for technical reasons. I, I don't know that when we talk about democracy. I mean the same thing that other people do, and I don't know that we gain a great deal from just promoting democracy per se. On the other hand, the notion of promoting because sometimes people a stupid and for bad bodies. Well, News news, lowest lowest..
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"Seven twenty here in London. This week we're taking a special look at the state of public broadcasting around the world on yesterday's program. We heard her last week's crisis at Australia's ABC came about today. We bring you the second part of the story. The Saturday papers, Karen Middleton reports on how issues of independence and government have always presented a risk for the TV ivory, see nice to stop talking about it so and get back to work. We never stopped work that. Well, I think the last week, I think strains of data that we didn't stop with. This was all happening in the board, and the board is responsible ensure that the organization is well run, and I think I had a pretty ordinary wake. There's always tension between a strategy is mine public broadcaster, the astray in Broadcasting Corporation and its national government. The law actually demands it. That's because in this case, those who pay the piper, do not officially at least call the chain. Unlike a state broadcaster which acts as the mouthpiece of the government that funds it a public broadcaster. Although also funded by government is statutorily independent and can even sometimes be it's critic. Every guest on the program came on only got to talk about what they wanted to talk about. It would be very different. Description, how interested do you think audience. Very interested. Australia's. Second public broadcaster, special broadcasting service. The ABC carries no advertising and relies solely on the government for money. Successive governments have managed that relationship in various ways, conscious off and sometimes frustrated by rules to stop them interfering in editorial perations. The board is now accused of allowing these independent to be breached in the past week. Simmering executive tensions at the broadcaster have exploded in public with ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie sect and chairman, Justin mill resigning on September twenty four. The board announced it had fired, guess ry halfway through her five-year term. Justin Milne declined to explain why. Just saying the board wanted a different leadership style going forward. A clearly angry Guthrie said she was considering her legal options then came a series of damagingly. WCHS revealing Milne had complained bitterly to Guthrie about two of the broadcasters. Highest profile journalists Milne, who's a personal friend and former business partner of the men who appointed him. Then prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull is reported to have told show Guthrie the tune bull disliked both journalists and had complained. They work was biased and Roan news reports suggest Milne told Guthrie the pay should be set to avoid jeopardizing a half billion dollar funding boost the wanted for digital project staff. Then mounted public protests and the government commissioned its own communications department inquiry behind closed doors. Then on September twenty seven Milne resigned. Denying he directed Guthrie to sex stuff, but saying he was quitting to provide a release valve in a firestorm. In a sense, this is all nothing new individuals do their best, and I know tiny does. But the fact of the matter is that there aren't any. I'm not trying to take your job by the way tiny. There aren't any right-wing conservative, not feeling too. Release. Growing made a diversity really calls into question, particularly I as online activities. I think the case for privatizing the I basically is getting stronger every year and we'll continue to. From both sides of politics have long, accused the ABC of bias in one thousand nine hundred four. Then labor prime minister, Bob Hawke Cup the broadcasters funding and complained bitterly to then ABC chairman, Ken Meyer about how it treated his government. But my refused to bow to hawks, demands hawks, labor successor. Paul Keating also complained as did conservative liberal party Prime Minister John Howard. But when Howard appointed an ABC chairman also a personal friend, Donald MacDonald, he promised never to raise concerns with him directly and insisted any discussions McDonald wanted should be conducted by -pointment in light of recent events that's being described as the gold standard of independent arrangements with the. It didn't stop how government lodging complaints, but there were made through the proper processes..
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"Proper security we're going to be guarding our border with the military i endorse nice statements about on america's decision because i think when you speak about nauseous migrants but rift jeez you speak about people leaving their countries because of political regime and because they are killed for political reasons refugees are part of our dna assets about putting our hands up and saying for those who bona fide refu james who we screened to be notified refugees we see that we have a role to play the british people voted for on the twenty third of june was to bring some control into the movement of people from the european union into the uk appoint space system does not give you that control we have a proud record of welcoming people from one hundred forty different nations but we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come a whistlestop world tour that david cameron from britain us president donald trump french president emmanuel macron new zealand's prime minister that you send to our done a british prime minister current theresa may and former australian prime minister john howard of course the man credited with establishing australia's famously tough immigration policies kara walker an interesting mix some similar rhetoric from all of those the simple fact here is though controlled borders well controlled borders do tend to win votes that certainly the direction of travel of late how do you communicate that without stoking nationalist fervor xenophobic maybe even racist fervor to me honest i think that certainly in the uk that is has been a really difficult struggle for politicians across all party certainly in the united kingdom and i think we have seen that come to a head with the windros scandal which is.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600
"Australian i posted this on facebook australian police increasingly issued patrol rifles now this is a very important piece and buried deep in this piece is a fact that nobody talks about when they talk about well when hillary clinton was getting all until we need to be more like australia meaning we need to we need to confiscate guns ban them pound all guns into not just ploughshares but big hunks of metal and get rid of them so that nobody has a gun except the a standing army or police that's what the left is always like to say with regard to the second amendment there's no individual right there to have a firearm there's no right to selfdefense you're supposed to be a victim without a fire now this is a piece for two citing threats and it's about australia's setting threats posed by gun armed criminals is you hear that gun armed criminals in australia how could that be this is gone for his own and potential terrorists law enforcement in australia getting more rifles now i want i want to jump right to what's buried in the backyard where is it i used it in the piece i stuck up on on facebook contrary to assertions that australia has not seen a significant shooting events is nineteen ninety six when the country instituted a wholesale ban on several types of firearms and the socalled brighton sees last year four people were shot one fatally by a terrorist with an illegally acquired shotgun now here's the takeaway despite australia's strict gun control regime that's be resumes shouldn't emphasis regime kernels are now better armed than any time since then prime minister john howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the nineteen ninety six port arthur massacre this according to the age which is a news agency last year in a special report on the climbing rate of gun crimes in the city of melbourne were shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence do you hear that anywhere but here do you hear that anywhere but here now i want to jump change horses in the middle of a stream here i had a new tooth put my head today it was as painless as painless can be it was done by the only dentist you should be trafficking within southeast michigan it's dr michael singleton he's on the phone is there a doctor in the house dr.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Newsradio 830 WCCO
"Uh to to australia paid citizens to sell their guns to the government it was a buyback program following a deadly 1980's and 90s culminating in the 1990s six young driven massacre that left thirty five dead australian prime minister john howard convened an assembly to devise guncontrol strategies the group landed a massive buyback program costing roughly five hundred million dollars they have bought and destroyed more than six hundred thousand weapons including semi automatic in pumpaction shotguns almost overnight this story says uh gun death totals were cut in half firearm suicides dropping two point two people per one thousand in 1995 two point eight in those six firearms homicides dropped from point three seven for one hundred thousand people in 1995 two point one five in old six a us buyback would mean destroying forty million guns but on a statewide level the undertaking might not be so massive now what happened over in japan japan seldom has more than 10 shooting deaths a year in a population of one hundred twenty seven million people due to a strict laws for obtaining firearms if japanese people want to own a gun they must attend an all day class pass a written test and achieve at least ninety five percent accuracy during a shooting range test than they have to pass.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Monocle Daily
"Us navy ship named off the humanlike if that was the legacy of the close relationship he shared with the us president jolt signing fact it was howard hold who famously said on the white house loans in a now not in '66 old away with lbj which was something that didn't go download the israeli population was sane is pretty serve sycophantic but you're right the naming memorial swimming pool in um in in honor of a man who drowned particularly strident tickets curiously a straightening bring to bear simpson you mentioned mention johnson that because it all of those things that you'd be influenced political legacy all perceived as quite progressive boosting funding for the arts shifting the focus to sort of asiapacific rather than necessary just looking to europe in america the referendum for the recognizing the indigenous population but then at the same time this decision to absolutely go away in a one hundred percent behind johnson on the vietnam war with which does seem at all with all all of those other things well that's true and i do think it i mean it was before my time in politics what i do think it was uh at least in caught it seems to be a legacy of the close friendship he formed which with johnson wasting that in more recent times out former prime minister john howard formed the close abullah nsp's george w bush at which source stralia going of needs the united stats not only in afghanistan in that will cited pitcher in iraq as well binge bites about the uh the relationship between the two eight and how much his influence destroys foreign policy contempory times in you could pats make the sign argument going back to hope today that that really did have an impact team vets as prime minister increased apples in vietnam which was running counter to the public sentiment at the time and and they were a very strong protests the strongest protest sucking we've ever seen in estrada where against the vietnam war in the straits around that.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on KARN 102.9
"Uncovered meat and place it outside on the street or in the garden or in the park were in the backyard without a cover and the cats come and eat it whose fault is it the cats were the uncovered meet the uncovered meat is the problem is remarks were condemned at the time by other muslim leaders and then prime minister john howard as appalling and reprehensible sheikh zinedine johnson says women can help men control their urges by covering up the sheikh says that women can help men control but urges by covering up in this this she was fired for saying his belief that's what he believes he believes muslim women should be covered up because muslim men cannot control themselves in boston this week talk show host was suspended for week can forced to give an apology because he said that the way a former major league ballplayer flew an airplane was irresponsible he said he was irresponsible for fly the airplane that way and as a result the airplane was fine ten feet over the ocean over the water and a crash we said that was a responsible that he was stupid for doing that that was his opinion let me help you i am a talk show host i am paid to give my opinion no matter how stupid if i don't have an opinion we have no show so in my opinion no talk show host should be fired her suspended for doing their job which is giving their opinion and this is america we give our opinion it was his opinion piece entitled are the opinion now the biggest mistake made in any media is to apologize the minute you apologize it becomes news and it takes a life of its own but nothing this is amazing to me no organisation apologizes more than espn and that bothers the heck out of me i'll tell you why first since high school i have noticed that jocks and sports fans have no sense of humour about themselves none you wanna get crap beat now view make fun of the anna make fun of the quarterback in high school make fun of the quarterback in college i'll never forget i was it the storm at syracuse university and down the hall was this jock major goodlooking insane jock who was having sex 24 hours a day seven days.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"And i don't think that they not being smarmy than not being facetious a cynical here uh notice a quote what i stream that can do is share our experienced after the mass killing in port arthur back in the late 1990s when thirty five people were killed by a lone gunman you will recall that then prime minister john howard then introduce national gun laws which banned automatic and semiautomatic weapons and included a national buyback scheme we've had this experience we acted with a legislative response on think in banning automatic and semiautomatic weapons uh i don't think it's a bad idea i just don't think it's ever going to happen here at just last week australia concluded a threemonth national gun amnesty in which people could surrender their unregistered illegal or unwanted firearm said local authorities without fear of penalty your prosecution more than twenty six thousand firearms were turned in the mentions while gun violence hasn't disappeared from australia the decline firearmrelated deaths since the 1990s has been considerable between 1995 in two thousand six another sets will name institute of the stricter laws gunrelated homicides and suicides dropped by fifty nine percent for gun related homicides in 65 percent for gun related suicides according to a 2010 study australian opposition leader bill short and said he was grateful for his country's tough gun restrictions thank god for identifies and have an epa in one wants to weaken these gun laws because he will have to come through me in the labour party he told the sydney morning herald there are a lot of good things about america we don't want their gun laws after sunday's match shooting a some famous faces took the social media to meet the case for gun control using australia as a case study uh john legend i think the sing was a one among those who did but critics argue that australia cell gun reform won't work in the us because of the high rate of gun ownership and americans gun laws a second amendment particular advocates of that idea however said the us could lend a great deal from the.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"As would become traditional donald trump's camp blamed the media and hillary clinton fully subsequent bruhaha however such infelicitous are not exclusively a failing of the right joe biden decades before he was a mobile does america's uncle in chief had presidential aspirations of his own seeking the democratic party's nomination in 1988 his campaign was undone when he was rumbled lifting from british labour party leader neil kinnock why is joe biden is the first in his family ever to go to a universe kennard oh generation at the university why is the more whiten sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family tarnished the earth m her family and mavericks do as mavericks will where most political figures content themselves with pilfering from other political figures senator rand paul has been cold defeating passages from the wicket entries on the film's stunned and deliver and gatica in canada speechwriter for then prime minister steven hopper resulting in two thousand eight after someone noticed that he nicked portions of a speech about iraq from australian prime minister john howard if the wheel immune sales neeson arrivals is the world's states lately encouraged to them on the run nights the ap carry weapons lease deadly of weapons died friday night was lewis and the world will not be dispelled and even the finest political arata of his generation is not immune in 2000 tonight barrack obama got caught cripping from devolved patrick then governor of massachusetts i am not asking anybody to take a chance on me uh not just asking.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"Dignity and respect that your work these eurobonds and you do what you say and keep your promise that you're cheat people we did a suspect back in 2016 when the idea of a show host his pouting assistant becoming me mixed tenants of the white house seemed like something we could afford the law fact melania trump addressed opening night of the republican national convention eagle you'd listeners spotted remarkable similarities to a speech given by the previous supplicant for the position of first lady michelle obama in 2000 tonight as would become traditional donald trump's camp blamed the media and hillary clinton fully subsequent buha heart however such infelicitous are not exclusively a failing of the right joe biden decades before he was a mobile does america's uncle intrigued had presidential aspirations of his own seeking me democratic party's nomination in 1988 his campaign was on dumb when he was rumbled lifting from british labour party leader neil kinnock gril started thinking guys career over here why is it joe wide is the first in his family ever to goad were universe kennard in a generation at the university and mavericks do as mavericks will where most political figures content themselves with pilfering from other political figures senator rand paul has been caught lifting passages from the wicket entries on the film's stand and deliver and gatica in canada speechwriter for venue prime minister steven hopper resigned in two thousand eight after someone noticed that he nicked portions of a speech about iraq from australian prime minister john howard if the welcome your fails needed normal royal duties wrote states we really encouraged to build on the run nights carry weapons leaves deadly of weapon by the early resolution and that that world leaders got all and even the finest political arata of his generation is not immune in 2002 night barrack obama got caught cribbing from devolved patrick van governor of massachusetts i am not asking anybody to take a chance on me.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on Amanpour
"What happens when a dose of trump is poured onto this already you know explosive situation of mass gun violence why didn't you have two options before you one is that everything simply melts down and the other is that there are so mandy bodies in the system that say we've had enough of this our book is by no means naive lee hopeful but we do point to some heartening developments in terms of mass political activism on a level we haven't seen before people actually getting into politics to make change it oppose trump and what you really need is a kind of reformation on the conservative side are you rightly referenced what happened in australia after a mass shooting prime minister john howard who was from the conservative coalition who is party or parties in it as prime minister howard our former prime minister howard said represented almost every rural constituency in australia got up and said we can't have this anymore and they passed a comprehensive set of gun laws that have done an awful lot of good and you really have to have some people in conservative politics a look at their hearts and say conservatism should not represent the interests of the national rifle association there is nothing conservative about mass shootings right and finally to norman again it goes to the heart of your bogey you've basically said the election of donald trump could be one of the best things that ever happened to american democracy we say this even though we believe that trump poses a genuine danger to our republican institutions and has done enormous damage to our country he's violated political norms weakened outstanding in the world and deepen the divisions of an already sharply torn country so so.
"prime minister john howard" Discussed on WWL
"Yesterday by the the managers of both teams talking about how yeah the rhetoric has gotten a little crazy ins gotten off the rails and we need to pull it back themselves as politicians and also they're asking those on both sides of any issue as well what happened to civility what happened to having a civil discourse on a on a topic and talking about solutions also would come up and came up of course because of the the shooting yesterday and a lot of you were texting and calling and talking about it and we'll talk about that today because the minute do you have any type of a of a mass shooting guns come up now and gun control and as unanswered questions guncontrol the entered a gun violence some people seem to think it is many don't i'll tell you my thoughts on it i don't think you can do a massive gun control whereas you're you're taking people's guns away and so forth and and what is quoted as the australia solution and hillary clinton had talked about that in her campaign speech a couple of campaign speeches the australian solution could that be viable here that may be something we we should talk about and former australian prime minister john howard who instituted that i actually wrote an op ed piece last year after the shooting at the the bar in orlando and urging president obama to follow his lead as to what they did to stop their match shootings in on talk a little bit more about that and get into that as well but just because and and i think there's a disconnect with a lot of people just because you have guncontrol or you change gun laws or registration or or changed background checks or or what not does not mean or get rid of assault weapons does not mean you're going to get rid of all death by guns does it mean murders to magically disappeared i think some on the far end of guncontrol think that and that's not the case either in australia proves that and i'll point that all out in as time he said this morning i get.