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Sarah Pallivathukal

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Sarah Pallivathukal

"This is a show where you get to. The star will make a great episode together no matter how boring or awkward you feel. The best part is that it's all done remotely so participating is really easy contact us. Everyone cast dot com. And you can have your own episode on this show. Even this cool jingle to remember it. I'm anthony salvato and this is sarah polywater ethical. Hey is you have your own cleaning company. And dale how'd you get into cleaning so it's actually that of historian actually was working a white collar job. By the time. I was eighteen years old. I did not like it at all. I quit that win. Some your december ury december twenty eighteen and got a new high the beginning of two thousand nineteen so early last year literally january probably the second week or something I hated that one as well actually got fired from it in march. I think it was by that point. I decided i was really really already tired of working for other people. I didn't want to keep doing that mainly that was a big thing. Yeah i didn't really have any like huge job leads or anything like that. So i was thinking not start a service company a big a big part of it though is one of my best friends owns a landscaping company. He's only nineteen not just turned twenty. He has four before he started his first one in. He was twelve so is big time hustler. And he really encouraged me to start my own thing. And i had watched him over the past three years develop a huge landscaping company. Any started when he was seventeen and so that was a really big deal now is really encouraging and he really encouraged me to start my own service business. I looked up the list of service. Businesses cleaning was the first one that i came across the didn't require like any certification of any degree a whole lot of startup costs or anything like that so i honestly just chose it but at an ad on craigslist within two hours i had two bookings for the next day is cleaning something that you were already knowledgeable about or is it something that you've just kind of been learning as you go because i know there's a lot of or there can be a lot of intricacies depending on. What kind of surface is you're doing. And what products to use for those services. I know it's not always super straightforward. Isn't actually. I learned a lot of things stink. Fli nothing the hardaway yet. But things like don't use any blue liquid on marble ever because it'll turn the marble blue whether the marble is start gray or white tan or whatever katie's warren hardwood floors things like that Sad part is no. I did not know anything about cleaning going in I've i think i've tended to be that type of person where i just jump into things while i wish i had a business plan and things like that. I still don't completely regret having jumped into it without any preparation One because that. That's who i am. I think and i stayed true to that part of me and then too because i really think when you over educate yourself about some things sometimes that become becomes more of a hindrance than an step up because you kind of freak yourself out with all the things that could go wrong and stuff like that you no. I learned about as i went. It's been about a year and a half maybe a little over a year and a half now a year and nine months technically and i learned a lot as a went things about the marble and hardwood. We've airbnb management cleans. We've done construction cleans. We've done business cleans house cleans. We've cleaned houses that probably should be termed as mansions a lot of different buildings and houses. And i learned all of that as i went. I didn't start out knowing anything early about leaning when you say we does that mean you also have people who work with you. It's not just you i do. Yeah i actually do not clean at all anymore. I learned really quickly. That i don't like doing the actual cleaning and for a while. I thought maybe that was like not a great thing Like auto should service business has that is cleaning. But then i realized after reading a couple books and things like that it doesn't matter what the service business does As service the matters is how you treat your customers and clients and whether they value the work that your employees or contractors do and so we got to the point where. I got to the point where i hired a couple of people a couple contractors who work all around dallas learned how to hire which was a really a really big learning curve and Contract out jobs to you Them to take care of different apartments buildings houses Airbnb is even earlier this year. And yeah so we've gone from there. I don't i don't clean at all anymore. Learned really quickly. I don't wanna do that and learned pretty quickly as well. That's not necessarily a bad thing so you found a couple contractors. Do you typically use the same ones. I have used the the two ladies that do the most right now. I have used them since. I think july of this year. And that's the longest any one at stade on I don't know if you know a lot about contract work but the thing about contract work is dot. After job is done the contractor can leave and they have no obligation to stay and so you give them or you ten ninety nine them technically and the way that i structure to is that they're commission was commitment was over after every day later changed it to every week. 'cause ellard really quickly that people just quit tuesday afternoon. It's like well you can't You can legally leave me in the in the are out of the loop but that's not that's okay for me so i started having him sign on for week weeklong contracts and we went from there by consumer successfully say. I have gone through about forty people probably in the last year. Nine months contract work is difficult. Work people don't like sticking around like cleaning normally which is ironic but The two people that i have now. I absolutely love them. They love cleaning. Actually yeah i think it just. I think i'll honestly a lot of the problem with me. Probably wasn't hiring the right way. I wasn't asking the right questions. I wouldn't have signed contracts again. It was a very trusting person who just liked doing things and yeah. My dad is a. He was a paralegal so he was very contracts. And things like that. And so i learned Pretty slowly i would love to stay quickly about. I think it was pretty slowly that i needed to have actual contracts in have contractors on employees because employees. It's a whole different ballgame whenever you have someone as an employee rather than contractor. Yeah it was definitely a long road. But the two people that i have now i absolutely love name of cleaning so yeah. What's preventing those contractors from starting their own cleaning business. Do they just not want to deal with all the logistics in legal stuff and all that they'd just rather get a call and be like. Hey do this. That is a great question and yes they would love to. Just get a call and say do this. Also something that i've noticed is people don't appreciate longevity of a client anymore. Everyone wants kind of a one and done of experienced. Ever client will like to cancel and be like. Oh i wanna take this month off because of whatever reason i have someone in town on the day that you guys come out and independent or sole proprietors is what they're called legally and So providers don't like that but they also learn to put up with it because they think that that's all they can get away They never have the client sign contracts and They don't they. Don't really want to do the work when it comes to that. It's honestly not a lot of work to write up a contract and say hey. We're going to be in your house every month. And if you choose to cancel then you're still supposed to pay us because we have contractors who were paying and they have families but because they never get a contractor in a way they have a direct relationship with the client which is great but honestly that gets taken advantage of a lot of times but they also don't know anything else and so they're not used to writing contract they feel like that's to visual Another thing is they don't want to promise to service a house for a year and a lot of clients do want that. They want to know especially during these times at the same person's going to be in their house and month on the same day at the same time doing the same thing but even even sole proprietors don't want to ten themselves in like that and As you can probably assume repeat clients are where it's at this the sweet spot for every service business and i've always found that surprising but i also think a lot of people don't know how to start a business legally how to get on an llc. They don't know what in all than how much it costs Things like that. Yeah i think those are the two big reasons. They don't know how to do the work and and a lot of ways they don't want to put in the work to make a quote unquote real business on. They'd rather just be a sole proprietorship. Let me make sure. I understand this. So what this allows is for example if you had a sole proprietorship to in the work and they were on contract for a year and then they changed their minds. They're out of luck but with you. If they have a contract for a year you can have one contractor doing the work for six months and then they can say can they say like oh like something came up and then you just have a different contractor. Do it was saying. Because i feel like that. Also presents issues with the contractors obligation to you as well doesn't it. It does serve to sign a contract saying that. They will clean the same person's house for a year. They are illegally supposed to fulfil that but a lot of people a lot of people while they are supposed to if they leave after six months. You have to ask yourself. Is it worth chasing them down when they have finished the job for six months and the client was really happy with them for six months. A lot of clients will want the same person for a whole year. But if that doesn't happen. It's not the end of the world as long as i can get another contractor in there for the last six months to the end of the year but even if the contractor isn't really supposed to do that they do it anyway so either way whether they're working by themselves or or their your contractor either way they're still supposed to fill contract so like what makes it different that if they like skip on the client versus skipping on you a lot of contractors whenever they're working with me rather than the client there's an emotional attachment of like don't need to let her know that i'm not showing up today because she's my boss and honestly that's very frequently done nowadays just not showing up to work showing up to work late so in their minds is just not a big deal For the client. Obviously it's a huge deal who cannot stress that enough. But i'm not really sure. The other thing is as i interrupt. Rudely it's okay. It's something that just came up. Is that like. Let's say it's a sole proprietorship and they're on yelp or whatever and they they don't show up for the client then they're just gonna get a bad review but Their public image is not at risk if they are contractor for you though exactly and that's that's a big thing there's a huge emotional detachment literal physical detachment If they don't show up for the client olive not sure enough for his honestly. Just me because my relationship with the client is what is going to continue for the next six months to year to hopefully the time but Yeah whenever they don't show up they're not showing up for me. It's not they're not showing up for the client every once in a while a contractor will develop relationship with the client and whenever the client gets sick misses. Clean things like that. They're like oh will let him know. I hope he feels better. And things like that but honestly until these two ladies that has been may be one out of every twenty five people A lot of people would sign a contract to keep a certain account for three months six months twelve months. Whatever and they would just break it and for me. It is not legally nor financially worth it to pursue them and be like. You didn't show up to work for a day. I mean with the legal cost of suing someone for that. Not only. is it kind of ridiculous. Whenever you're contracting out jobs like that you might as well spend that time rather than suing them spend a trying to find someone new especially when you live in a city like dallas where. It is absolutely huge. We have so many people here You might as well just find someone. New new contractor. Who won't do that. I have a lot of friends in the service business and used to bother me for a while. It did that. People just skip out and not show up for work. But they're logic was you could chase them. You could chase them legally chase them so it'd be like show up to work by. Is it actually worth it at the end of the day because you spent so much time stressing out about them. Not showing up talking to the client apologizing. You haven't even found a new contractor so it was kind of innocuous which for me. Because i really like building relationships people and i would guess no these contractors and then they would just sleep in by five hours and show up six hours late and i'd be really disappointed. Also feel awkward. Like i don't want to get onto this person. I kinda need them as a friend. But that was something i had to fix for for myself just realize i can't have that mindset when working with these people know as a as a business owner instead of actually joined the cleaning yourself why i guess i guess there's a lot of variables here but is it actually more work or less work to run the business than it is to actually do the cleaning. I guess it depends like how many jobs you would take is a cleaner. It depends on a lot of things fun part of the story in march. We would have four cleans going on all the same time from ten to noon. There were six people anywhere from four to six people out on the field so to speak at that point. It was legitimately obviously impossible for me to be in all four places at once We'd have to airbnb is being cleaned and in in separate buildings and then a construction clean going on and then someone cleaning a normal house where someone just wants them. Every month so in that perspective it was way easier to manage than it was to do it all myself. Because i couldn't do it all myself then in the perspective of like the quality of work obviously whenever the business owner is not taking care of the client themselves. The quality of work is going to go down. But you're going to get so much more done and at that point you've got to ask yourself like okay. Do i want to have a really large company and not do everything myself enough to manage people and try to encourage them to like take care of these clients. Build a relationship with them. Do things like washing the dishes. Even if it's not on your list. English do i wanna spend all my time energy doing that or do i want to just do all the cleaning myself. Keep it small. But i mean i still have relationship with my clients and equality of work only depends on me. Yeah you go from like a micromanager to a macro manager whenever you switched that that other option of managing people and it is difficult and it takes a long time. that's why service businesses can be kind of cutthroat in a way it all really depends on scaling because let's say you have a job and you do it yourself. You get paid starting them out now if you own the business instead and had a single job been hired somebody to do it. Obviously you're going to make way less because it's just you know probably you're paying most of it to the actual cleaner exactly so but then the scale ability if you get enough jobs then eventually that outweighs doing it yourself exactly so. I wonder what your plans on scale. Ability are because also at some point. I mean madge managing all those jobs as a single business. Owner is also going to become kind of a lot. So i wonder if you plan to scale more in the future and then also maybe hire some people to help you manage the jobs if there's like a ton of different jobs. What are your plans for that. I would absolutely love to see that and that is definitely my plan within the next few weeks so at the beginning of the year. What we were doing where most of our income was coming from was actually cleaning airbnb. He's so we had one bill building in downtown dallas where twelve apartments and therefore anywhere from one to twelve people. Coming in and out everday. There'd be days where we cleaned five apartments and five hours and includes stripping the beds of sheets and taking them to florida and stuff like that and then there are days where there were only one or two but then on top of that. We had another airbnb account which had six apartments all throughout dallas. They were not nissim buildings out quite a lot more driving. Then that we had construction cleans business cleans in residential cleans. And so to answer your question. I would love to get to that point again but honestly especially with service business. I'd say it's probably with every business. People are the absolute most important asset. You're ever going to have their also your biggest liability. And so if i could find someone not only contractors but also someone helped me manage. That would be amazing. Because in march april may june july. We were constantly doing all of this things. I just told you about all the time and by the end of july i was a nervous wreck. Every a contractor texted me. I was like. Oh they're going to this is like them quitting or something like that. And i got so in my head of constantly being worried about oh them. Quitting should not showing up on time client not being happy and then therefore i can't pay the contractor as much and so they're going to be happy and things like that. It was a different level of stress. And i would not recommend handling it the way that i handled it and this is only six months ago. We why was her so much demand at that. Time airbnb Right before coronavirus. The demand was blowing up. And then i would even say right after it. There were still a lot of people renting out your bnb's plane tickets were then so cheap and people were kind of i think personally because i work so closely with the travel industry. What i saw that people were kinda worried but then they're were like oh it's so cheap but it said she been worried but it's so cheap and so people were traveling anyway but what they would do as they would stay like a night or two. Because i heard the weirdest area with some people believed if you only stayed like a couple of hours. Then you wouldn't get it. It's if he stayed for like three to five days than you would get a virus. I'm not sure where that theory came from but without resulted in was people staying only for a night or two and then leaving. It's like the cleaning company has to run over there and clean it really quickly That slowed down a ton in june and july when people started actually getting worried and lockdowns implemented and things like that. That's why a lot of airbnb places have a minimum stay requirements because if the stays only for a night then the cleaning company has to come every night and it just you know it's not profitable to do it. It's apps everyone and that's interesting. That travel actually went up after the pandemic started spreading never realized april march. April may were absolutely insane. I actually used to manage an airbnb myself. Well it was my own residence. Because i have an extra bedroom i did that. I didn't hire cleaning company. I did it all myself. But what struck me is what you said about worry. The amount of work i actually had to do wasn't very i had to basically just make sure everything was cleaned for the next guest. But i didn't have to do like a super deep clean every time you know like if somebody only stayed for a night things wouldn't be super dirty. I would just do like the basic cleaning stuff. changes sheets. Make the bed. Wipe down the surfaces Things like that but the thing that worried me though was that something would go wrong and i would just get a bad review for some reason. I would just always be worried about that. So i understand how when you're saying about running a business how like there's certain unpredictable things that could happen. That could tarnish your reputation or make us scramble at the last minute to fix something. Yeah just yeah just keep in mind because like you were doing the cleaning yourself. You didn't have to worry about whether the cleaner was gonna show up and then these are also whole apartments. So this includes cleaning out the fridge and We found the absolute most gross things. Open salmon sitting on a Container in the fridge Be in one in the freezer to covered food. Everywhere sheets everywhere rates salmon. Sitting on top of the container it was they had a container. And instead of putting in the container on top of the container on top of that yeah on top of container and it was open and not in the freezer. My yeah we have seen things. I've had a few negative experiences myself. Doing my own airbnb thing. That was another point of stress. Is that somebody would like cause damage or leave. Something very unclear nly which has happened. Yes the unpredictability is is quite stressful All i can say about that. Like i'm i'm not an actual cleaning person but i was trying to draw a parallel with running a business. I mean it wasn't really that much business for me. It was kind of like a a small hustle but even small things like that can be stressful and worrisome Before you started this cleaning business what industry were you working in. And was it something where you're just say all right. I got to like do something for work or is there something that you thought you were interested in or passionate about. That turned out not to be the case in the end. Yeah that's actually a really good question. So who the first job. I ever had actually worked too at the same time. I worked at my church as a receptionist and sounds like a low-key job it pretty much was But there were times when rear. We ran like three thousand people on a sunday morning. So i dealt with very interesting people calling in asking for things like prayer people asking if they can stop by for food so that was actually a really cool job and get a. I got to help people out a lot And then at the same time. I was actually working for a company that matches people called caregivers who take care of elderly people to elderly people and so that was a really cool job. I was actually working for a start-up company For someone that. I knew from another church in the area but she the way that we met was that she cut her hair and so Had recently gotten in iraq. She and her newborn had had a concussion and so her husband decided we spend more time together. Let's start a business and so they and Yeah that was a cool job as well. 'cause it was working for a start up. I was just making minimum wage. I decided i wasn't. I wasn't happy with that. I was going to college. I needed more income and so even with those two job spared together. It wasn't it wasn't quite enough so the next job that i had was working for a company that did something with with gassed in large large propane tanks and things still not entirely sure what they did. Ironically i asked a couple times and it was always explained with large words and diagrams. And so yes for three months. I was very confused and i it just. It was an awful job. The supervisor yelled at everyone. All the time. And i was never really told my job description was or what i was as well as what the company was. It was very very interesting. It was it was an okay experience. I think i'm glad that i ended up doing that. But after those two back to back i was just thinking. I don't think my caller working behind a desk yada yada is for me. See that is when. I started dot company at the same time for a year. Actually i was a recruiter for an idea. That's actually a really cool idea. So i got to work for another startup. Which i thought was really cool. Because at this point. Edward for three startups. But it's It's like uber but for babysitting so what people will do is. They'll answer a time that they need a babysitter in a whole list of college. Age girls who are cpr. Certified background checked interviewed two times And have experienced. At least two years. I think in babysitting will pop up and they get to choose whoever they want and so. It's literally like uber for babysitting. That's a really stringent requirement for babysitters. It was really intense. The i thought that was a really cool company to recruit for so what i did was. I was a marketing agent. And i recruited a bunch of babysitters and I'd vote interview them as well on a i really liked that but again The owner was a little way. Crazy yelled constantly all the time and i would host tons of events. They would go really really well and she was very Issues a huge micromanager and She could find fault in almost anything. Yeah that was an experience as well but again the supervisors were insane. Since you're cleaning business expert do the people in your household if there's anyone else in your household do they expect you to do the cleaning. Yeah actually still live with my family right now. I am closing on a house tomorrow afternoon. So i really don't. Yeah yeah so Not necessarily actually ally of a funny story a lot of the time. My parents my in general. Actually all of them are outta town so yes so not necessarily. I tend to be a pretty clean person. The thing about link over the inca service industry. Even if you don't like doing the service. I think you should have some sort of respect for the service like it would be weird if me knowing nothing about cars. Sides start a like oil changing company or something. I feel like that'd be a little bit wrong like someone who should who knows about cars and stuff to do that so like when advertising for cleaning companies you want to advertise your Like the benefit of your service and so a big one is how cleaning directly correlates. Happy you are how productive you are. And how vichy you are. And it's been -gistically proven. Actually that people who have their home as a like a clean house not cleaned by professional company. are happier more efficient more productive and so while my family doesn't require that i naturally am kind of a cleaner person especially since i started this. Actually now you're making me very conscious of the messes in my room. It did notice man. All right i actually okay i i do make my bed every day. I don't know why. I forgot today. So excited i was so excited about this podcast. That's what it is okay for somebody in keeping a clean house who wants to keep house like what. What advice do you have whether it's a matter of technique like the best way to wipe down a surface without leaving any stray crumbs or whether it's certain things to focus on over certain other things like what what what are some tips. Because i'll tell you like one problem. I have you know. I wiped down the kitchen counter. And it's like how do i get every chrome off higher cleaning company higher cleaning government. That's my advice other than that so forgetting all the comes off kitchen counter. I mean what you you what largely wanna to do something that always astounds me. That people don't do. Is you wanna start from top to bottom people wool vacuum and then wiped fan. Obviously it's not a kitchen counter but that's the biggest thing start from top to bottom. Don't like district counter and district banned and then back you've just from top the about that though everything falls on the ground vacuum. Sweep mop last. We're getting crumbs off the kitchen counter clean. You wanna be but my biggest suggestion honestly to do everyday like cleaning every day. A lot of other things. That people tend to neglect. If you have any wood furniture getting that stained twice a year at least because it does get marked up A lot of people are moving away from would though so if you don't have any would maybe don't dust every day. But i would definitely say dust twice a month. It'd be surprised how many people get sick get allergies just because the amount of dust their house so yeah but for your kitchen counter problem. Why but down every day. What i would do whenever cleaning house to get it. Done quickly and efficiently actually wipe into the kitchen sink and then spray the sink. Wash it all down the drain and with dusting when you when you dust. Do you have to dust everything or is it mostly just kind of out of reach stuff that is prone to collect dust or any any like sometimes dusk and collect on like maybe a coffee table that you really use or i mean. What is the process for dusting. Like i feel like. I feel like i should know these things because i own a house but i don't know i've never really focus much on keeping a spotless keeping lean enough. I like to think yeah. That's yeah that's fine. That's a good question again. The top to bottom method so for example. What i'm seeing in your room. Dust the top of the shelf. Not even the top shelf the very top of the shelf. I and then. I just walked flowers and then Obviously taking all the books off the books are perpetually where they are or even games or whatever you might need a dusty actual book because of you never get them out. Put them back. Things like that does is going to build up on those blinds and window sill next and I mean you don't need a really does your bed especially if you're Sheets pretty often I don't think about something you would. Dust by twice a month is a really good idea if you live closer to downtown dallas. You might need more often. There was one family who owned a huge house and they got it cleaned every week because they lived in. I think it's highland park in so fairly close to downtown. And i noticed the dust. Their house was significantly more than us. Who are in garland. So i notice even just by looking around at my background. You just immediately came up with a plan. Yes and maybe maybe. That's the way i should approach it because a lot of times seems overwhelming to lake tack all that stuff but maybe if you come up with a plan then you kind of have like a strategy in a way to progress that it doesn't overwhelm you so that's guess that's how i'll try to look at it from now on. And maybe i should get myself in actual duster. And because i i was just use a cloth. But i feel like if with an actual duster you can actually. It's a lot easier than yeah. I'm gonna i'm gonna do the extension dusters that ended up being like six feet long if you extend them press a little button that'll be useful for like fans and stuff. Yeah so all right yeah. I'm already coming up with some ideas here before we wrap up. Is there anything else you would like to shout out. I mean. I think with any entrepreneur especially younger one. There's always something more so to speak. But i think it's generally very very hard for a young person to start a business that goes for you goes for me. Anyone under the age of forty. I would say if they're not to preneurs the young entrepreneur and so i would say if you're read if you're under the age of forty or even if you're obviously older than forty into you have something you want to start. I just started and i highly suggest just starting Obviously if you're going to be a podcast or you need experiencing needs some equipment but don't don't spend too much time writing out some sort of detailed plan The best the best cure for procrastination and not chasing your dreams is to just start something. Be that a cleaning company. Or if it's a podcast just starting a really good way to kill us mission. And so i would say if you have a. You're listening to this and you have some sort of dream chaser. No matter what your age is but if you're young chase it. Even harder a lot of people would say the opposite focus on college. Get a good job by the time you're sixty you just want to be careful of what you're gonna regret inside be really careful about waiting until you're older your money or you have this degree or something like that. And so yeah. That'd be my biggest piece of advice. I will pitch my company. We achieved cleaning service Downtown dallas the dallas area. We do a lot of work in irving as well. And so i'm sure part of dallas. But that's actually where we do a ton of our work irving oaklawn island park and preston hollow. You have a website. We do achieve cleaning dot com. I'll put lincoln the description. Thank you so much. I appreciate that all right. Well that makes me feel a little bit better about podcasting. What what you said about podcasts. You mean entrepreneurial venture. i don't know if i would canada's that because i don't make any money from it that's even better like in a way. It's not like a huge podcast. It gets all these sponsors and all that maybe someday dream but it's like how do you get there. I mean the roads not clear. There's a lot of Lot of people will do podcast and something has general. Is this one. You have to already be celebrity to kind of get something really cool going because everyone wants to listen to that celebrity. I hear that your ideas really cool like it really is. Oh i appreciate that. A lot and I just tried to make the best. Podcast i can and see where it goes. You know in terms of in terms of the mission in terms of production value. I take a lot of good care into making it a good production. So yeah we'll see what happens. Thanks for the inspiration for sure. I'm proud of you for starting this seriously. Very very cool thanks. I'm glad there's people who believe in me even strangers for having me.

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Dallas Morning News 10/13/20

"Good Morning it's Tuesday October thirteenth I'm Mary Hildebrand and here are the top stories from the Dallas morning. News. Presented by the salvation. Army. In a year with fewer red kettles help rescue Christmas for the most vulnerable to give ask your smart speaker to make a donation to the Salvation Army or donate at Salvation Army USA. Dot Org it'll be sunny today with a high of eighty-three. Expect clear skies tonight with a low of fifty six our. Top. Story is the search for the next Dallas police chief is in its first steps with a goal of having the process wrapped up by the end of the year that's according to an October ninth memo from Assistant City Manager John Fortune who oversees public safety. The memo said that a firm has been selected to launch a national search for the next chief. It's the first public statement about how the city is proceeding with choosing a new top. Cup After Dallas Police chief you Rene Hall announced last month. She would be resigning at the end of the year. The memo did not mention if the department would select an interim chief as the search is conducted in Corona Virus News health officials say they're seeing alarming upticks in some covid nineteen numbers though they're not sure yet whether North Texas is on its way to a surge in cases Kobe nineteen forecast from ut southwestern medical center predicts. Continued increases in hospitalizations in Dallas and tarrant counties which have already risen in recent weeks and also projects one thousand new infections a day in Dallas. County. By later this month those numbers show the situation is fragile. So experts urge North Texans not to ease up on coronavirus precautions as society pushes for a return to normal. The upward trend comes as Texas governor allowed counties to reopen bars at half capacity though some counties including Dallas won't reopen there. In local news as the coronavirus pandemic raged homeless encampments gradually grew across Dallas and when people finally emerged from their homes for the outdoors, they were shocked to find the camps in their parks and trails complaints flooded into City Hall and Dallas geared up to restart its annual and controversial camp cleanups that led several city council members to add money in the new budget for parks and other departments to boost cleanup efforts the pandemic and. Concerns over Park. Encampments. have. Highlighted Dallas Chronic homelessness problem as well as the need for more permanent housing solutions. City officials say they want to do more than just clear them away cosmetic fixes frowned upon by homeless advocates the city is looking for long term solutions like placing people in hotels M Rene, Johnson a park and recreation assistant maintenance director said that homeless encampments in city parks are up about thirty percent from last year Johnson said. That some camps are so large and hazardous due to waste. The Department has to hire contractors for the messy job, and finally as we continue to slog through the economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis with no immediate financial relief expected the Texas Restaurant Association says twenty, five percent of the restaurants in Texas could close before the end of the year for restaurant groups have announced closures in Dallas Fort Worth though some appear to be temporary. They include crispy cream top pot doughnuts and coffee in Dallas and Richardson matchbox in Preston Hollow and cow tipping creamery in Carrollton for more on the closure visit Dallas News Dot Com. The Dallas morning, news rewards program is proud to bring. You will vents for more information and upcoming events. Please visit Rewards Dallas News Dot Com for more on these stories and for the latest breaking news visit Dallas News Dot Com thanks and enjoy your day.

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Dallas Morning News 12/7/20

The Dallas Morning News

04:23 min | 10 months ago

Dallas Morning News 12/7/20

"Good morning it's monday december seventh. I'm alex brody and here are the top stories from the dallas morning news presented by the salvation army in the year with fewer red. Kettles help rescue christmas for the most vulnerable to give ask your smart speaker to make a donation to the salvation army or donate at salvation army. Usa dot org expect plenty of sunshine today in a high of sixty four tonight will be clear with a low forty two. Our top story is baylor scott and white health. The state's largest non for profit hospital system is laying off into employees in finance and accounting as part of a broader effort to contain costs for the pandemic and beyond the company confirmed. The duties would be outsourced to workers in india. A spokeswoman said eighteen of the baylor employees would be offered positions with the vendor providing the services. The cuts follow a much larger round of layoffs in june. When about nine hundred and thirty baylor employees were ultimately. Let go at that time. The company also cut the pay of three hundred senior leaders including reducing the salaries of both the ceo and president by twenty five percent the june layoffs and pay cuts were in response to the pandemic which led to a sharp decline in patient volumes. Economy was locked down an elective surgeries. Were temporarily halted in education news and texas school board races are designated to be nonpartisan being school board races. They also typically focus on school related issues but in the run-off between incumbent dustin marshall and challenger. Nancy rodriguez for dallas. sd's district to seat. Those expectations have been turned on their heads. Messing from both camps has been increasingly. Partisan as tuesday's runoff nears and the ownership of a website domain has taken center stage. Rodriguez beat marshall by three thousand one hundred and thirty nine votes in the november general election but didn't get enough votes in the three candidate race to hit a fifty percent threshold to be declared the outright winner district to is a doughnut shaped area around the park cities that captures both sides of dallas's political spectrum including preston hollow lakewood and parts of east dallas. The two candidates have clear differences on key issues to read all about it. Go to dallas news dot com in other news hood county authorities suspect that a twenty eight year old man was mauled to death by a mountain lion in a wooded area near lipton about eighty five miles west of dallas christopher allen. Whiteley was reported missing thursday afternoon. According to a sheriff's office statement he was last seen early. Wednesday morning near the fifteen thousand block of road in lebanon. Who'd county deputies found whiteley body while searching nearby wooded area his body was taken to the tarrant county medical examiner's office where preliminary findings suggest whiteley was killed by an animal possibly a mountain lion. The hood county sheriff's office is working with texas game wardens and a trapper with the us department of agriculture to find the mountain line lip and residents are urged to keep young children and animals inside and not to try to track the line themselves and finally. Have you figured out how you're going to watch maverick's games on tv this season. Perhaps you've been so preoccupied with enduring through the pandemic that you were unaware that fox sports southwest the regional sports network that carries maverick's games rather suddenly has far fewer options for cord cutters to access. It friday's release of the mavericks. First half schedule generated excitement among mavericks fans but also a noticeable number of emailed and tweeted questions from concerned fans in the past year alone over the top streaming and satellite providers dish network sling fubo tv and most recently youtube tv and hulu have stopped offering f s s w as well as other twenty fox regional sports networks across the country. We reached out to mark cuban who insists that fans have many options to watch the mavs to read the full story. Go to dallas. News dot com the dallas morning news rewards program is proud to bring you virtual events for more information and upcoming events please visit rewards. Dont dallas news dot com for more on these stories and for the latest breaking news. Visit dallas news dot com. Thanks and enjoy your day.

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Wall Street Breakfast July 25: Apple And Tesla Lead Earnings Blitz, New IPOs And SPAC Debuts

Wall Street Breakfast

12:15 min | Last month

Wall Street Breakfast July 25: Apple And Tesla Lead Earnings Blitz, New IPOs And SPAC Debuts

"Support for this podcast comes from invented together. I bet you didn't know that inventing activity by black inventors peaked in eighteen ninety nine and it has never recovered black and hispanic college graduates patented half the rate of white college graduates. That's just one of the reasons why you need to know about event together. When our patent system gets more diverse our nation will get stronger and more successful. Find out how you can help. Diverse inventors and unleash economic opportunity at invent together dot. Org morning today is sunday july twenty fifth. Two thousand twenty one. You're listening to seeking alpha the leader in market news and analysis. I'm your host. Jason could pull. This is stocks to watch wall street. Breakfasts weekend edition our news teams weekend preview of upcoming. Ipo's earnings reports conference presentations investor. 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The Deep Side of Dallas: Jennifer Staubach Gates on growing up with #12 and getting into the scrap of Dallas politics

The Dallas Morning News

18:41 min | 4 months ago

The Deep Side of Dallas: Jennifer Staubach Gates on growing up with #12 and getting into the scrap of Dallas politics

"Brought to you by pest control. don't let bugs ruined. The moment organ home is where the bugs aren't of dallas. I'm ready bush. Deputy editorial page editor for the dallas morning news. And i'm paul portless chief communications officer for the university of north texas system dallas and the communities around us are changing. We're here to talk about our history. How future where we are today on the deep side we dive in the local news and issues through candid conversations with people making impact in dallas. And you can stay up to date on every episode and other great shows from our newsroom just followed the dallas morning news wherever you get your podcast to the deep side of dallas podcast. I'm paul cordless chief communications officer for the university of north texas system. Here with my co host rudy bush of the dallas. Morning news and rudy. Today's discussion is right in your wheelhouse Its municipal election season here in dallas and voters in the city weighed in on fourteenth city council races on may first and are featured guest for today. Jennifer staubach gates actually did not participate in this year's district thirteen race because she has termed out after eight years serving city council but still a fascinating conversation and a fascinating time of year. Especially for someone like you who follows dallas politics. The way i follow sports. Yeah this is very time for one hundred percent. And and and i'm in school. Were coming up here On the run off elections. And we're going to have a few races that we still got to decide but we had you know. We had just an interesting season as you said. Dallas council members have to defend their seats every two years at and and and they get eight total years that they can serve in and they gotta go and this year was really interesting. Paul because you had for the first time really in my memory certainly and and kind of modern dallas political history of mayor who inserted himself very directly right into these races and it creates a lot of tension a lot of problems. A lot of intrigue. I guess for for guys like me who write about this stuff it. Shouldn't you think it's a sure thing. If you're going to put yourself out there. I think you should think it's a pretty sure thing if you're if you're a mayor who's trying to wrangle eight votes and it wasn't a sure thing as it turned out He his candidates did not perform. Well they didn't make runoffs. And then you had some candidates who were sort of loosely if not directly associated with him but had similar messaging that he has had a directed at council members. They didn't do well for the most part. We're going to be left with The city council. That i it's going to be a little bit testy. It it does sound like now. Were there any other things that surprised you. That happened before we get into the conversation with jennifer. Yeah i was. I was surprised by an number of things paul. I i thought that Can candidate in southern dallas by maxi johnston who's a very popular. Disd board member would do better against the incumbent. Carolyn king arnold he did make it into a runoff. He didn't do very well. I was a somewhat surprised. Although i probably shouldn't have been by how well lakewood representative. Paul blackman did against two pretty good. You know candidates she just wipe the floor with them basically so what it reaffirmed to me really in. I should know this. I'm at been at this long enough. Is nothing in dallas politics. Beats being an incumbent you know people they just don't they don't really show up to vote for new people very often with doesn't sound like it was the greatest voter turnout in the world anyway. Obviously we had a mayoral election last. Go round so. The voter turnout was higher. But you know for a city of a million people to get sixty seven thousand voters out to me. Seems not so great. It's a bummer. Every time i think we got. I think we crawled just over ten percent at the end which it's been lower than that believe it or not But it it goes to tell you that municipal elections are not national elections. And what was interesting about. This cycle was the way i saw national political themes. Try to be sort of injected into all these races particularly around the question of policing and You know all of us know. And you. And i've done a show on this already related to the struggle. We're having in this country over policing and without getting boring. Everybody with too many of the details. The mayor kind of found himself on one side of the claiming that the council had tried to defunding police. that wasn't quite what was going on But those messages don't resonate in municipal elections for whatever reason you would think they would because crime is always the number one concern a municipal voters and then streets street racing tiffany grace absolutely the code compliance all that anyway. All that's to say that ten percent is is terrible but you can't expect these municipal racist to draw big crowds. They just don't do it. Yeah do you expect any surprises with the runoff runoff. That are coming on june fifth. I don't know if i expect surprises. I think that we might see. At least one incumbent lose. I think david blewett who represents East eastern dallas lord. Greenville area Oaklawn parts of oaklawn. That is a really tough race. That he's facing with a guy named paul ridley and what's interesting about ridley as people who listen to this show presumably have a pretty deep interest in dallas. Ridley's a guy who was angela. Hunt's appointee to dallas plan commission so kind of getting that crowd back into city hall will be interesting and has a relationship as i understand with former councilmember. Philip kings was kingston's appointee as well and so there's that that district traditionally has been khanna the rebel district for lack of a better word to and i think ridley is a guy who will bring that tradition back if if if he wins. We're talking here in the present tense. But but the conversation we had with jennifer staubach gates was really reflective and not just reflective on her eight years as representing district thirteen but also growing up in dallas as the daughter of roger. Starbuck is pretty pretty interesting. Conversation super interesting conversation. I think jennifer is one of those people. And i'm glad we we had our own here to talk about it because she really has dedicated herself to the city. She couldn't be more of a sort of superstar family in dallas. I don't think we get a bigger name than roger staubach. But you'd never know it to to meet her. She's just your council member. Basically and i thought her story was really interesting. And the way she grew up here and cruising forest lane and all that kind of business heartbe. You imagine your dad being captain. America quarterback of the dallas cowboys especially during that era right. And you're hanging out. You know down down forest with the crowd so absolutely pretty cool so one of the things that you did ask her as we conclude and i won't give the answer away but you did ask her about her future politics and do you think that she does have a future in politics. Oh i think she absolutely would have a future in politics if she wanted it. You know. I think it's it's up to her. And what what she wants and what her family wants. And i think she's told pretty much anybody who will listen that she wants to spend time with her family and that's not align in her case from my experience she really. Does you know be with her. Our kids and our grandkids and her husband and her and her mom and dad But if she wanted to get into dallas politics he wanted to be the mayor of dallas or something else. Yeah she she would. She would be able to pull it off. She's got all the credentials and heck johnson maybe made it made it easier for a new company here in a couple of people talking about it. Well we'll we'll be right back with a really fun and ranging conversation with jennifer that reflects on her time on council as well as her time growing up for a young person in dallas. Whose whose father is a celebrity. So we'll be right back on the deep side. Dallas podcast at the university of north texas system. We embrace the future energized by new possibilities. We collaborate across institutions disciplines and industries to creatively imagine an implement solutions and our home region of dallas fort worth and beyond whether in dallas denton worth or frisco throughout north texas across our state and beyond the unc system is fully committed to being a leader for the north texas reason. Welcome back to the deep side of dallas. Podcast i'm paul cordless chief communications officer for the university of north texas system. Here with my co host rudy boesch of the dallas morning news. And we'd like to welcome a very special guest to the podcast today. Jennifer stop gates whose time as dallas city council members coming to an end after eight years representing district thirteen which covers preston hollow north west. Alice among other places and just excited to kind of talk about your legacy and impact on dallas jennifer. Welcome to the show. Thank you to conversation. Thanks for thanks for doing this with us. You and i have got to know each other pretty well over the past eight years or so with you being on council and obviously Your time has come to step down. Someone else is gonna come in but just looking back on those eight years. Was it what you thought it would be was totally different What did you get out of this. That was opening to your is well. That's that's a good question. And i don't know if i fully understood or i had a real understanding my expectations for what is going to be like. I don't think A jumped in it without doing a lot of research or preparation The campaign. I think gets you prepared to to serve But so i would say I i don't think my expectations are. I am -ticipant it to be one way or another I was it's been extremely rewarding. It's been challenging at times I think my eight years have been filled with so many controversial Items or issues that we've taken up as well as some really sad times for the city. Seven seven tornado that ripped through You know my district in two others as well as you know indian in this pandemic and the civil unrest and going back to two thousand and fourteen in. So i've had losing a council member to an indictment i mean we've we've had a lot of ups and downs But i will. I will say this. I will never It's changed the lens. I looked through the city with. And i've matt incredibly Great people in developed really good relationships. And it's been an honor privileged to serve and and while. I'm counting down the days sweet and i'm gonna miss. Everyone says that. I'm counting the days when you say changed the lens of how you look at the city. What what do you mean. Well i think from the perspective that i just. I don't know if i really fully understood how city government touches. Everyone's lives. And i think now when i visited other cities and i see things You know buildings have been preserved Those things just don't happen and trails and parks and you know we've done some incredible things you know that clyde warren park Which is you know. Park departments from all over. Come to look at what we did over a highway. And so when i go into other cities i think when i see them just working on their roads You know i stop and kind of look. And and i so. I think i look at other cities through a different type of lens and then through through Dallas i'll i'll see a building like. How did that ever get zoned. Or why is that. This way or that way. And i've learned a lot about why You know there are certain things happened in dallas that. I wasn't aware of before. I took office that that makes sense as i. Most of those eight years i lived in your district and the tornadoes woman jumps out of rudy's from just around the corner to that's one. That was just so complicated. Especially if you have different people of wealth that had things they were going through people that nothing that they were going through. Yeah and just the way it changed the landscape and you still going to be that way for a lot of years. You drive down the road and you see this was filled with trees and In the rebuilding. That's happening and still some of the i get complaint. I got an email today. That people are frustrated with homes. That are still look like the tornado happened yesterday. And it's been eighteen months so Exactly so when. I when i start to you know. Have that idea when it in ten years from now when when it starts looking back and it'll be gaps right and vegetation and tree height canopy. That will kind of remember that the other one you through the throughout was the ability situation which you know. I guess the first case in the us blois found in your district right. Did that prepare you for what would bingo on the roadways been going on the last year it really did. I think it prepared me to really understand what the council members in the most the most Effective things you can do and it. Was you know the mayor at the time microloans gave me a call and he said you know the by background. I'm a. I'm a registered nurse. And i still keep my license And he called me. Says you're not gonna believe this but we've got a bola in the nurses district and and we were all like and i went home. That evening have was told about five thirty but leave town the next day for national league of cities. And i said what's my role going to be an in this Terrible crisis and i went to the i got up. The next warning city manager said meet us at the office of oem management and rawlings was wonderful about taking me along and you know he and clay jenkins and by noon. that day. We are in a room with the governor and cdc and presbyterian hospital. And and i realized i was the one individual in that room. That stood My constituents and the diversity and the challenges that they were up against before a bola and the thirty five languages that was spoken in the area that lived very dense and i was able to be an advocate voice for that community and i knew the nonprofits are already engaged. Um and we could get them together quickly to be able to really Help the residence Through that really challenging time to being a nurse did that uniquely equip you for for the the coronavirus pandemic as well. Yeah i just under the epidemiology behind the different viruses. And i wasn't obviously bulla wasn't something. We spent a lot of time studying nursing cold and because we haven't had it in the united states. But i quickly learned that the way it was transmitted. It wasn't going to be the community threat. It was going to be because the virus gets stronger as Related to how long it's been in the person's body and so the person's more contagious at the end of their disease as well as even post mortem care. And that was there's then then i understood that the the people of the neighborhood or probably going to be saving. But we're going to see outbreak but cry. And then i you know fully understood in the beginning of the coronavirus that it was very different and we were gonna have this communicable disease in the threat to the Transmission in the public transmission was going to be present and we also. I uh knew that there was a lot we didn't know. And so it it so i was probably more comfortable when protocols and recommendations were changing because i understood that in the medical profession you know they're still learning and they're they're very hesitant to say that your immunities last longer than six months if they haven't been able to study that and you know so i i understand why things why the mask protocol changed you know and You know man. I knew that you know. There's always medical Medical professionals challenging each other I just hated to see the political part of it. And that's something that i. i knew. It was going to happen. Because i saw a little bit nabala talking about that last time. Actually it's funny. You talk about the landscape in district thirteen and how it changed. And i think for those of you who are listening who got to dallas yesterday Jennifer staubach gates is the daughter of roger. Staubach one of the immortal dallas cowboys But what. I think a lot of people might not know even been doused longtime. Is that the area you represent. You grew up in you. Raise your family in this area. It's a good night to stay in. Because it's the season finale of mr right that no one saw coming. I didn't mean for any of this. Did you spend the night with termites. Will dylan follow his heart or succumb to a swarm of termites curl up on the couch and find out tonight. When all the molting termite larvae will finally be revealed. Don't let termites ruin the moment organ. Home is where the bugs aren't.

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34:36 min | 9 months ago

The Amazon's Burning Libraries

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Basin brazil's indigenous groups have been under threat since way before covid nineteen reached the amazon. Their lands often lack effective protection from the government. Illegal mining logging and other national and international interests have been steadily increasing for decades on their territories environmental degradation rising rates of inequality in health and education. These two are major obstacles for these communities taken altogether all of these threats amount to a form of cultural assault that puts the very density of indigenous peoples at risk a lot of indigenous groups in the amazon has languages that are exclusively oral only spoken which is in part why these tongues are really hard to pass on and there's maybe a bible and maybe a dictionary but other than that very few if any written texts and then on top of that enters the pandemic of course. This is journalist. Sam schramm ski his reporting partner. Middle have been investigating how one indigenous community has taken on covert in nineteen. They're going to bring us the story of one leader who fought for the survival of his people. Sam sharansky and bedrose nedim welcome to latino usa and the both of you. You've got this kind of extraordinary situation. Set up you're part of a reporting team. One of you is based in brazil. The other in the united states and you work on stories about indigenous communities in brazil together. So how does this partnership work between the two of you. So i lived in the amazon for a couple of years and the brazilian amazon and through my experiences there i came into contact with rosa and we started working on stories a couple of years ago And that's that's kind of how. It's all flourished. Rosa quinta man. How do your work vis-a-vis working with sam we're no reporter masan year. Our home also studies journalists in. The nfc columba's joe tobacco sobre tavern is article tactical internationalists. So big is saying is they met and they collaborate and they work across the countries these working on on the ground. Doing the work and sam works as an international contact and bidault is doing the day to day so rosa l. No foul portuguese mice. Instead we're going to have you speak spanish. Is that okay okay. All right so you cover issues around indigenous peoples in northern brazil. Most people know that this is where the amazon is that there are incredibly delicate groups of people centuries old who are living and thriving there. So how do you come upon this particular story. Where does it begin geico. Musa dolo me in bailing capital. Deborah don't let yasin terrain in northern brazil lunacy. Crucial and important is amazon. Muscular mukasey hilltop ross. So you travel from berlin. The capital city of batas state in brazil. And you end up going to a town where two very important rivers meet. One is the amazon river and the other one is the top measures river. Wwl not making us a lot of ryota pajamas. Okay wow so you took a boat and traveled down the river for nine hours acupuncture. You gotta duck duckie finally central the loud there but i do monkey in their territorial hundred. Who's all right. Sam so does bedrose. I call you. And he says hey. I've got this story. I went to this place called brian. Monkey it's where the moon do people are from and you're like ok- yeah. Did you know about the mantra cool. Did you know about the money. I actually do. You know about them onto the coup. Because i've studied indigenous issues in brazil for awhile and i've known about their history But the village itself the whole story behind this community was totally unknown to me so when he got a hold of me and said there's this situation in which a number of leaders and important individuals in the medical community under threat as a result of covid nineteen in addition to a number of other threats. It just seemed like the perfect crux of Semi issues so many threats that a people are facing and yet still being able to show signs of resistance and strength so basically. You're saying that the moon who people are survivors. They've been through a lot and have made it to this point. Yeah the miracle. People have been known all throughout the amazon region as warrior. People even prior to portuguese colonization. They've resisted the portuguese all along. This river called the top of choice river that rosa mention for a couple of hundred years and so they obviously were able to survive the threats of disease of enslavement of violence in obviously of cultural oppression. As well all right so you take off and get to brian monje. And what did you see when you got there. These air komo is lukasz concerns you know gasoline sweatshop but of course i was so laying out of any social traditionalist who told you. Uk right and they make a great effort to preserve their culture and their traditions and especially to preserve the land where the village that you visited is located in going so and when you first got to the village you end up meeting a man who turns out to be a very important part of your entire story there. Michelle wu obviously combat cool. A onomic can be full. Elemental nami property nyangoma. Goop mealtime deal. So that's alisyn. Combat wonder coup In his name is a name he was given to him in the medical language By his father in many ways the store that bedrose i reported on revolves around his father. Allison's father amounts you buy at a single another data. Son them who was a longtime leader of the village of private. Among my zeta beam is at lunch. And now the want to the hispanic g castle some. They hit sowell genetic so his father was active in all manner of civil society assuring education territorial rights and health for the community. Like he was the chief. Is that right amancio. Eight komo do no no familiar. Only the vicar. So you know sort of show. Our mutual conflict telecom neither so he wasn't like a chief but for several decades he was defending the community in legal battles for human rights. He was important part of the community. So did you get a chance to meet amancio on the jvm where to trust number for this way. You actually missed meeting him by the time you made it to. Where he lived he had already died from covid yet. A lot of this. Oh sensor systems get him a little more perform solo poetry who are seen a post reporter cloudy and what you came upon was the scene of just profound loss. His son are listen was deeply upset and also his wife claudette and here. She has been playing young woman. Do co. you she sunny couldn he meant boyana. Emma she panajot she panic so that's clogged it. Among those widow and she's grieving for him in the language just to give you some context. It's considered by linguists to be threatened and has been slowly fading away from villages like monkey as more and more and more records become exclusively portuguese-speaking. There are roughly eight thousand speakers of couve just to give you some sense there. Roughly fourteen thousand wounded people people that identify as being one roku in brazil. And those who do speak do generally are not fluent. They're very few who are fully fluent but to understand what amancio meant for his community. It's important to underline one thing. He was all about the language. The language and culture and he led a movement to revitalize the language and indeed to retain important elements of mundul cultural identity. How did he do this. How how was he able to basically revitalize the language this whole kind of return to the roots of the moon who people were no muddier amongst your phone donate where he built a school like gomo gay enemies more like he. He himself built the school. No no for me so that the kick australia lincoln into cosa colonial to year. They know it. So basically what you're saying is that amancio had this vision for the school. And he didn't build himself but he made the team. He brought the team together to build school because he was very upset. And by the way this happens in many indigenous communities right where the children have to leave their territory to go out a into the rest of the world to get educated and then they start losing their traditions endorser therefore remained almost on the will carry on your traditional own recos. So what you're saying to me. Is that in one thousand nine hundred ninety six amancio. After he has this dream he actually makes it happen. He ends up. Bill dina school and one of the biggest issues with the school is that he wants to teach the moon. Dirocco language are number the economy just game wounded oku significant appear and they name the school. I think sam you may have to help me here econ. Bj to know econ be upper. Be beautiful checkbook and that means sam be checkbook is actually an eagle. Yeah that's right. It's a large eagle or hawk. A in the american context and its giant as things are in the amazon right as they are as they are in the amazon and it just has really regal presence icon animal so to name the school it was basically like they were making no mosh to amancio because of the way that he had basically led. This project is that right. That's right the thought of somebody like someone like amancio. Who just like takes on this. This idea to you know save. His language saved the culture ton of fightback back against the massive modernization in brazil. I mean it's huge because brazil has his rich diverse indigenous population. But you know it's not as if the rest of the country is celebrating the indigenous peoples of brazil right. Sam i mean if we if we think about just the magnitude of it. There are three hundred five recognized ethnic groups in brazil and the last census indicated that there about nine hundred thousand indigenous people. So it's a hugely diverse and also a very much part of the mosaic of brazilian society. And and a lot of ways in addition to that there are a lot of threats and much of that has to do with indigenous lands so thirteen percent of the country is officially listed as digits. Land so thirteen percents a huge amount. That size is bigger than the state of alaska. It's enormous and most of that land is located in the amazon right and this of course means that indigenous land is particularly ripe for invasion the threats indigenous groups are constant and unrelenting including up to cultural genocide. You're on the ground in brazil. You know what this looks like. There's another way of understanding this. Which is that is as. Sam said really a fight for the land. So what does that look. Like when selena king caloric value deaconess or in the act while in foley russell preston hollow sodas. It's the government of brazil. International corporations auto explorer sunday moderate cetera torres on activity league. Alice go coronated. They told you it's the ration- of gold and wood and it just is and people want what the moon because have so. Is there a sense of lack of safety. A lot of illegal activity that goes on and the moon roof territory absolutely is a region that has quite a bit of activity that was referred to as getting paid. These are wildcat. Miners comes from the portuguese. Word got empire which is to climb through difficult terrain and these wildcat miners are in search of gold. Okay which has been huge in musical land. These guys are kind of i. Guess the best way to build an analogy would be to compare them to the forty niners of the american west. Which had they had this mentality of getting rich or die trying in terms of trying to prospect for gold which of course often lead them in direct conflict with indigenous people in california and western. Us similar to that in the sense that there's sort of this lawlessness and lack of accountability as a result interactions with indigenous people. What is the government's role in all of this prison. Bolsonaro said he wouldn't demarcate one more centimeter of indigenous land during his campaign for presidency in two thousand eighteen and he's actually repeated that since he's come to power. The threats to the recognition of indigenous territory are huge. Let's not diminish them or trivialize them. But there's also of course all these other factors four station fires rampant wildfires contamination of rivers waterways and soil. Legal land grabs and a whole series of infrastructure projects to quote unquote. developer modernized. The amazon just a series of structural historical problems that face this community among us trying to keep it alive fighting back as has been the tradition of the moon. Luca people and then cove it happens coming up on latino. Usa you have these this idea this concept of a living library. That seems so beautiful. But it's so fragile so ephemeral and away right because just like the flames that are engulfing much of the amazon Those living libraries have also been engulfed in can be engulfed especially during an extremely scary time. Like passing through right. Now stay with us. Not my roy Hey we're back before the break journalists. Sam schramm ski and barrosa. Nitto had taken us to the village of brian among in the amazon river basin. And they were telling us about the mounting threats to the moon lucas the indigenous community that lives there as one of their leaders. A man called amancio fought for the survival of the moon who language and culture a new threat arrived. We now dive back into my conversation with sam and bitter aside as the coronavirus pandemic arrives in pariah. Demong all right. So when did the coronavirus arrive in brian. demong a quandary yigal koby pueblo the amancio. We're nomad year medicare and keno dame sarah kuchar premiere of kasey maso your order processing fellow. So you're saying that. The people from the village started to hear about the first cases back in march and the response from the public health authorities was pretty much absent. In allison's father was the first to pass away from covid nineteen in the village. Assoumani e. Jere kid passo team for me. I feel get him in cars and we're going taiyo camelina yuccas. The day. my father got sick. He says he called him called. Listen and said you know what. I wanna die in my homeland. I wanted to at home. He'll fully prayed key. Arjun shinkyo spider man. Put bessie down among. Co had to wait before seeking help outside the village and that's why these please are So tragic and worse so tragic because the indigenous health agency in brazil basically had a protocol that stated that person you did tweet nine days before getting a covid test and of course in that period of time among so suffered tremendously my jia now on foot would just against ghetto jeremiah. God's dodge jeon is aided by so mile a to helene that history that i saw your mom mcneese in history and has always says here. His dad waited for the test but fairly quickly actually he got quite sick and suddenly had a respiratory attack and selling a very critical state and yet he still hadn't been able to receive cova test so they made him wait nine days even though he knew it seems like he understood that he had covid. I mean that sounds like a crazy kind of protocol and the way in which he must have felt completely alone so barrosa case. Oh this up by espn. As what is that about rosa except own protocol in nick irreparable solely on buddy ds in officer ula. You're telling me that local health authorities took a couple of extra days to arrive in the village to help. A your yeah. You can't do when you see you're out the yet. The sima when the municipality finally requested an ambulance it was already too late. So that's win. A allison's father got really sick. If live at blue moon room when you sit bowed data but braley sitting back and was taken to the municipal hospital and the city of the title right next door to be intimated the hook up your community mental russell party so arlington. Listen told you that not being able to be with. His dad was really the worst thing that he lived through because in many indigenous cultures being surrounded by family. When you're sick is actually seen as an integral part of the healing process. He saw me have. This is what was really revolting. Just repulsive to listen to this idea that his father was taken us hospital. Not a lot was not a lot was told to them. So there is that what's up audio. That was leaked from the tube of municipal hospital. From a physician there dr juliana use leading in added that the dash stone solve this municipality and she recounted her experience in dealing with the early days i suppose of covid nineteen in particularly the emergency situation as it was when the resources weren't available has from asia giveaways officer i daughter goal. The pan is indigenous. Gentlemen amounts yo comes in and the beds are all taking up in the icu. There's enough oxygen and she has to set up an improvised ventilator. Essentially to resuscitate him to keep them alive on sending decisiona cigna health single mojo. Good dad this into you should send a ventilator issue this ecu oxygen stocker bond subway civil saying using komodo call. Now that they saw the proc- more she felt particularly indignant about the way that indigenous patients including amancio were dealt with how they were treated our god. If i latoya gordon scaring roca hoping they'll camille. Who come yellen done. Do not have done. It is how do then those passenger nostra's since users analogy of a giant big rig of like an eighteen wheeler tractor trailer being the pandemic being the covid situation and the doctors or the folks in the hospital trying to change tires on this moving on this accelerating big rig and that's how she felt and she just felt that there is no backing. There is no support from the outside. It begins to feel like they didn't care because amancio was an indigenous person. It's almost like his life had less value. And so what happened. Next infosys quinto That seeking roebuck. What maintain salin once the staff in a two hospital manage to bring up amancio oxygen levels. He was transferred again to a bigger better equipped hospital in the state capital of berlin. And this is what our listen told sam about his father once he was evacuated down for the second time equal dosage as the poisoning. Privacy and we are two days later listens father amounts. You'll pass away inquisivi the post march by and we'll touch base no say on my z. Without his father's situation what his father experienced was really quite traumatic for them and so many people didn't want to go to the hospital anymore. Had a chilling effect on the community. Because i saw how he suffered. He passed so much time there he was hungry. He was thirsty and health situation. That amancio win. Through reminds a lot of indigenous folks of the crises surrounding health that indigenous people have faced for a very long time indeed so it was not just that amancio died. It was the way in which he died. It was the way that he was treated. And all of this has an impact on the village the moon roof village in doses komo reaction or hint there until they amancio in twelve there maria. They were wounded. Who i must wear either on a ciano weekend. You the important national want to. You're saying that it has been devastating that this is a village elder someone who is involved in most of the major decisions involving the community and this is how our listen put it when he spoke to them about his father's death edifice superior to vote up a to know again contra key kickoffs aghia dying coming now the community dodge amount sue had set up all these projects had been such a figurehead. Such an important leader that when alison returned to the village people just. They couldn't say much to. They embraced him but he says not. Physically they braced him in a in an emotional sense. You know who you know news darva. He's of a project kitchen. Food spectrum women dodge. It was very difficult for a lot of folks just to continue on really just to meet in a community setting to continue the political struggles that they're constantly engaged in to dream of new projects to think of the future. Even though there s a-list sandra no komo limb. Onto on majority there is some year history pueblo. One of the people that bidault spoke with while he was in bryant among was this village leader known as Go you bow before his stance. Same day moses and about how the warriors spirit of the moon lukasz tends to come out intensely in the face of adversity epidemics mae. Such be breteche vivo. Canyonstatecu made to cash thing meta view when allie states that at the time of her interview. They're dirty lost. Quite a few members of the community and one of them was of course amancio in other important figures as well and all of these folks including indigenous leaders. Both in dakota territory. Elsewhere have been referred to as living libraries and won't be but decca viva economoy as badge and key on 'em up beta move to grind. This idea of living library is really important because once it's gone it's really hard to pass on the heritage to really pass on the lessons posterity a month. He was one of these libraries and his storehouse of culture and identity and stories and history. That wasn't necessarily passed on. So let's just go back and think about this story we're telling about amancio and while you didn't get a chance to meet him bedrose say you did meet a lot of people who knew amounts unsure who loved him and who are impacted by his legacy. So what did they say. And what is that. Legacy for the people People quality legal they advance. Your is your merger geico. Salo on michael call saluting swing the monster so while bedrose i was not able to meet a month ago he was able to get close to him through the conversations. He had with our his son. Who told him about a month ios final dream. Do you think scoglio modeling to those lingua. Listen describes how. His father had the stream before he passed away. It's a very vivid dream and he said i don't wanna live in a village that doesn't speak them onto language and he's basically said you know what i went to be a village where they only speak on do for that year in. Thank you pull kushner and national pharmaceutical it. It just takes up. But if i'm yearning and listen says to him well how are you going to communicate with us you know. Obviously i listen like many men who don't speak the language fluently and he said well tough luck. You said it like this. You are going out to make do in to speak my language. I won't this show and in. That was what he had decided. He had already taken this decision before passing away. That's powerful thank you so much off. And sam for bringing us the story of the moon new people and amancio and his family and making it real. What the rest of the world is facing in terms of covid. Nobody that we w guy that bill set. And thank you sam. Thank you so much money. As of november fifteen moon roof ruko people are known to have passed away from covid nineteen number of confirmed cases for the entire group as well as the number of leaders who have passed away however remain unknown and this is the same for all indigenous groups throughout the entire amazon This episode was produced by sam shrimp. Ski and barrosa metal with help from alexandra side and edited by day's letting usa team includes me and my cs and they are lopez cruiser. Who yet the martini. Elisa's got sick. Ginny moon and rinaldo. Leeann news junior with help from martha martinez antelope. It is fact checking by other engineers. Are stephanie lebow. Julia caruso emily shaw with help from alicia. Youtube are digital. Editor is louise's luna our new york. Women's foundation ignite fellow. 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Facebook's Supreme Court

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Facebook's Supreme Court

"Hey this is radio. Lab is supported by ibm. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm go hybrid. Ibm dot com slash. Cloud radio lab. We love fresh ideas. Radio lab is supported by squarespace the platform. That can help you. Turn your fresh idea into a top notch. Website go to squarespace dot com slash radio lab for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code radio lab to save ten percent off your first purchase of website or domain listener supported w nyc studios. Wait your nine listening to radio radio from anne. Wnyc three two one. Hey i'm jaboomer odd. This is radio lab today. We've got a special collaboration with the new yorker magazine in the new yorker radio hour very excited about that so for the last several years we here at radio lab and by we. I mean mainly simon adler a he. We have been watching and reporting on facebook specifically how facebook decides and then enforces what people can and cannot post on their site. As many of you know the way that they do it is they've got this roebuck. One single set of rules for the many countries in the globe that define what is postal possible. And what isn't and then they have a giant army of fifteen thousand souls who have to moderate all the crap that we put on facebook Anyhow in doing so facebook has managed to piss off well just about everybody. I mean despite all of the time effort and money that they have thrown at this problem by taking posts down they have been accused of censoring voices across the political spectrum and infringing on users right to free expression eleven post pictures nursing or enemies of the first and then by leaving material up violence against roaming the rest. They've been accused of helping to incite a genocide in and more stories arguably swing the two thousand sixteen presidential election. And i start here with this rap up because since we last reported on all that facebook is actually made a pretty big shift in how they are going to approach policing refereeing the world's speech it's a shift that it's going to have a massive impact on their decisions about what isn't is not allowed on the site including the question which will talk about in a second of whether former president trump should be banned indefinitely from facebook but more deeply shift that has facebook really looking less like a company and oddly a little bit more like a government an unelected government for the entire planet. So with all of that. Let me now hand off to. Hello kate how are you. Simon rolling on your end area Now i am really great. I will record myself on my phone. Yeah so a couple of months back. I called up academic. Kate clinic to talk about this shift and this research project. She's been working on documenting it. I want to be done with this project. So this has been your life yeah. It has too much though. I'm ready to like you know. I'm ready to kind of do something different. Kate is a professor of law at saint john's university. She's studied facebook off and on for years and she was at it again because back in two thousand eighteen mark zuckerberg the company. Ceo was considering this strange proposal. Yes like crazy project to solve this crisis about content management kind of inside for the last couple. A little over a year actually sat down with mark to talk about all this. She did it over the computer. So you'll hear a clicking of keys but anyway as he told her that much is that i just think it's not sustainable over time for one percent or even one company is operations to be making so many decisions balancing free expression of safety At scale like. I recognize that this is a huge responsibility. And i'm not going to be here forever. Plan to be buying the company for a while but Wondering about the company. And i think at that point it was a it would be to pass built a separate set of independent structures that ensure that the values around free expression and balancing. These equities can take this. Oh interesting like i trust me. But i don't necessarily trust the next guy right and so like a benevolent dictator. He wants to devolve power away from facebook and himself and what he'd landed on as a model for how to do. This was a supreme court for facebook. And nari wha what exactly like what. Yeah so the proposal was pretty simple. It was creating a group of people from all over the world that would be a sickly. Be this oversight on facebook and it's speech policies essentially think of it as like the supreme court of the united states but instead of overruling decisions this supreme court facebook would be able to overrule books own decisions. It's a hard pitch to make isn't it. Oh my god one hundred percent. You can imagine how that went over there like. Why would you want us to do what. That's how i imagine that going. Yeah mark wanted this to happen and so it happened. It's part of a larger sense. I think that he sees facebook. Becoming more and more like government isn't even the best term but like a system of government to. You is the fact that i have control to. Basically help implement of governance for like a long term legacy that he knows will not make terrible decisions. This this seems to be them catching up and being like. Yeah like if you've got three billion users you're bigger than any company at that point and he country your rules can be as impactful as any governments laws and so you really need to start thinking of yourself in a new way. Yeah i think that's right. Has any company ever done anything like this before. I mean honestly there's nothing even kind of comes close and i don't wanna be grandiose about this but there is a sense in which Feels like. you're what i felt like. I was watching an experiment that would if even if it completely utterly failed would be remembered and be a lesson for however the world ends up sorting out this problem of online speech and so once facebook decided to build this court to suddenly needed to figure out like what cases would go to the court who would be on it. How would they make these decisions. And it became clear that it's it's not appropriate to have a single person. Answer these questions on behalf of society or freight this institution. This is brent harris who led facebook's effort to build this board this court And as one of his first decisions he said we need to go out and actually listened to a wide array of people about what the problems are. The challenges are the day are finding and ask them what they want this to be. What can what can we create instead. They held dozens of listening sessions. All over the world talking to lay people but the the the cornerstone of this process was really six global workshops where they invited experts to come and way in. Kate was one of forty or so people that attended the. Us workshop it was held in the basement of the nomad hotel in downtown manhattan and when she walked in it was like walking into a technologist. Sweating you come in. Every like table is decorated with succulents in bottles of voss water and an ipad the ipad is not for you to keep an in fact. Someone joked one of the face people. Judge me sick. Yeah we used a couple generations old ipad to make sure. No one walked away with spectacular. You have an ipad and ultimately this moderator came out and tried to get the rooms attention and of course. Everyone's half listening. Most people are on their phones and like whatever else in part because like a lot of people in that room. Were just very skeptical of what facebook was doing here. I mean kate herself. Remain somewhat skeptical of this court. This is just something. Facebook can scapegoat. It's really crappy. Decisions to that was my main skeptical points and all of this that facebook is essentially erecting. What will be Just a body to absorb blame but anyhow the moderator explained what they were up to that brought these experts here to in essence design this institution. The ah like why does it look like and some of it was like an answer to question. Some of those things. People brought up case election questions. Board selection who picks the board. And i would say a solid third of it was people standing up and holding forth on topics that had nothing to do with why we were there that day. Less of a question and more of a comment holy cow so many of those eventually though they got to the heart of the matter like how should a global board about these cases that are that are right on the edge of what we wanted to do was really Put people in the shoes that facebook is in right now and taking these decisions. So they told them like. Hey you are going to play mock court as a group. You're going to have to decide whether a piece of content should stay up on facebook or come down and so everyone was asked to open their ipad. So you were asked to like. We're going to go over the first simulation and you'll love this simon. The first simulation that they did was the kello- men simulation really. Yes wow that's great. Oh this is the thing you the one that you focused on the last story. I remember there was like a song in there. Yeah it's the my right you're right. We've we spent ten fifteen minutes dissecting this this piece of content. You should play this and just be like. Here's what they focused on. Okay yeah i think we need to do about three minutes of it but here it is. Did this back in two thousand eighteen. It's about comedian. Marsha polski and a photo she posted to the city. I was such a carefree bradshaw. Had these older friends which i thought was very cool and then you realize that their this is her up on stage. She's got dark. Curly hair was raised in oklahoma. How did you decide to become a comedian. You know it was kind of the only thing that ever clicked with me and especially political comedy. You know. I used to watch the daily show every day and inspired by this political comedy. She started this running bit. That i think can be called of absurdist. Feminist people like an angry feminist which is weird a militant feminists day. Just because i am training show in the woods. I just had this running online on facebook and twitter. Tweeting posting jokes like we have all the buffalo wild wings surrounded. You know things like that eventually took the spit on stage even wrote some songs. I know now anyhow so about a year into this running bid Marsha was bored at work. One day and log onto facebook but instead of seeing her normal news feed There was this message. That pops up it says you posted something that discriminated along the lines of race gender or ethnicity group and so we've removed that post and so i'm like what could i possibly a post it. I really i thought it was like a glitch. But then she clicked. Continue and they're highlighted was the violating post. It was a photo of hers. What is the picture. Can you describe it. The photo is me as what can only be described as a cherub q. Little seven year old with big curly hair and she's wearing this blue floral dress. Her teeth are all messed up into the photo. Marcia had edited in a speech bubble. That just says kill all men hit. I it's funny. you know. Trust me whatever. Facebook had taken it down because it violated their hate speech policy. I was dumbfounded and so back to present day. This is the scenario they put in front of these tech elites in the basement of the nomad hotel to see really how they would react if that eight speech. What does that mean. And should that be up on facebook or not. Leave it up or take it down and so people started to discuss people. Were like well. This wasn't funny and someone else's like does it matter whether it's funny or not back and forth and back and forth and even so like should men be protected. Men are more protected than other groups. Eventually though the room pretty much came to an agreement kill. All matt is clearly humor or social commentary. That should be up on facebook and it's inappropriate for facebook to take that down. Yeah i get that. I mean i remember when i did this feeling like like. This is a harmless joke right and facebook should be a place where harmless jokes can get made because in this case the joke only works because men are the power structure. If they weren't it wouldn't be funny. Yep it's punching up there go it's punching up right but here's where things get interesting because as we said they did six of these expert global workshops berlin singapore new delhi mexico city nairobi. In at each of them they ran through this. Kill all men scenario. We ran that case across the world and something that's very very striking is really different viewpoints about should that be up on facebook or not like not just at the new york workshop but in berlin and other western liberal democracy and even singapore folks supported leaving it up and you. You know you'd think that that folks who experienced more authoritarian governments and restrictions on their speech would also be for leaving it up but it didn't go that way. Go for it. But i understand. I understand that kid all men. That's the most feminist radical that. You can meet. This is berhanu tie. She works for an ngo called access. Now we defend an extended rights abuses at risk around the world and when she was shown this photo at the global workshop in nairobi now which had attendees from all across the african continent. Her thought was very funny and know. Many feminists might upset that once style. Just like you know could we. Yeah you know. And i understand that to be a joke. So i'm like yeah. Of course they should be space for humor. And then i know so important. But but i'm sensing a but what is it so you know it's all right. Put it so for me right now. It's funny but humidity lecture And we're not. we're not nothing. So yes we've seen content like that unfortunately right providence. And we've looked through it so it's not something that mean joe cowdrey What is she. What event in the world is she thinking of when she says well some very recent history and so. We're gonna take a little bit of a detour here to to understand why burhan want that. Kill all men joke. Take down and along the way we're gonna see close up really the life and death decisions this global court will have to make. We'll get to that right after a quick break. This is lauren fury from western springs. Illinois radio lab is supported in part by the alfred p sloan foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. More information about sloan at www that. Sloan dot org science reporting on radio lab is supported in part by science sandbox a science foundation initiative dedicated to engaging everyone with the process of science. This is radio lab is supported by. Ibm we all want sophisticated but simple. Cutting edge made user friendly in other words. We wanna hybrid and so do retailers. That's why they are going hybrid with ibm a hybrid. Cloud approach with watson. Ai helps them. 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And today we still have a lot of work to do. I'm julia longoria and in a new weekly show from the atlantic and wnyc studios. We explore the powerful ideas that shaped the united states. And what happens when those ideas collide with people's real lives. Listen to the experiment on apple. Podcasts jad radio lab here was simon adler yes yes yes yes okay. Before we went to break we met digital rights activists berhanu taya who was opposed to leaving a joke. Like kill all men on facebook. That is correct. So why is that. What was she thinking. Yeah well i mean it comes down to what's been going on in her home country absurdity now if there's a lot of animosity between different groups a lot of tension in looking at just the past four or five years there you you see how these questions of who's punching up and who's punching down can get flipped on their head with the click of a mouse so to set things up. Ethiopia sits right on the horn of africa. It's the second most populous country on the continent and for a long time. It was considered one of the world's leading jailers of journalists politically. The country used to be very authoritarian state. Let's see this is online. Activist turned academic and challa professor at university. And yes i can say that me and my colleagues were legal. For people blogging to in public. He was actually forced into exile because of this activism and the way he tells it doesn't chief teen the worst unrest in a decade. The demonstrations started as a most student. Student protests breakout out and they start spreading across the country. Thousands took to the streets over the weekend watching this unfold from the united states. Doctor challa noticed that at the center of these protests. Was this guide jawara muhammad. Yes aglietta gregoire the news. A lotta joe himself. He's committee picks savvy guy. He's it in english. Dissenting voice that allowed that is going to be sufficient prey on the government to break. Its will and you know. He had a good one point. Four three million followers invisible making him as powerful as just about any news organization in ethiopia. Now a couple of quick things about jar number one. He is from the aroma. Oh ethnicity the largest ethnic group in the country and we'll get more into that in a moment but first the other notable thing about you are is that at the time that these protests were getting underway. He was actually living in minnesota. He was in exile. They're thousands of miles away from the action. At least seventy five people killed but as these protests intensified including clashes with the government to deploy clashes. He was able to galvanize folks and direct things because a face kenya. Kim so that sort of amazingly when these protests succeeded hi maria. The selanne house resigned amid deadly government. Voters there he was lionized as well. Huron one who'd help usher in a new prime minister. If the opium has a new leader. I'll i'll be up at one. Sixty of new era in ethiopia took since coming to power. Prime minister was engaging listening to one of the people of the country have to in the first time in our entire thousand years of history again. Bihan tie we actually could be united country. The government freed thousands of political prisoners and journalists is the latest of sweeping measures. Invited those in exile exile abroad come. Comeback home even ended a decade-long conflict with neighbouring. Eritrea promised delivered. I mean these changes were so profound. That ethiopia's new prime minister. I'll be off med. Thanks in no small part to duar. Muhammad went on to win then. The bill committee has decided to award the nobel peace prize to seo young prime minister. That's right the nobel peace prize. So what you've got here is really the promise of facebook realized right like man from thousands of miles away leverages facebook power to bring down an authoritarian government and elevate a peace loving leader. I mean this is david and goliath level. And as part of all of these reforms. We'll be back to a country. We have now our office. In inside jawara muhammad return to ethiopia and was welcomed with open arms. However while i'll be reform ambitions increasing popularity analysts fear that ethnic rivalries in ethiopia will undermine his reforms the forces that brought this change about began pulling in the opposite direction. I'm sure you're going to get a lot of Reaction for this because everything is contested every historical fuck everything you know you see people that are confused. There is inflammation disorder in the united states. This is just like china display when you compare to help you. Yes the first. the first. The violence that happened was in twenty eight hundred the first it was gruesome pictures circulating on facebook. I always you know different. Anti islamic noticed sentiment but what were the ethnic tensions and what was being said. Yes so how complicated or in the weeds to get it get complicated well. Okay so as i mentioned jar is part of the aroma ethnicity the largest ethnicity in the country and well. The romo are the largest They've also long felt politically and culturally marginalized. And this. this feeling of marginalization This resentment This was really at the heart of the revolutionary protests. That jawara had helped lead. Are you aroma. I if yo- pin. I am honorable i i mean. Many of his posts pointed directly at it. He would phase our memorial preston hollow it. Almost what might have been inspected absolutely okay with me because then some can through street. But he's a guy like Who heaped up the temperature up emotions isis aid. We are forced to fight back to less spaghetti to come together and fight back But now even with the old government out of power and a new aroma. Oh prime minister in power to our muhammad did not let up. He kept stoking. This present to be honest with you. I think there is a risk of not even more but cut through communism violence across the country. I think people have very familiar with this inversion of power statements. he was making during. The protests sounded very different in two thousand eighteen like even just the line learn homeland when from being about ethiopians getting a government out of power to a romo's getting minorities out of their territory and quickly. The language began to escalate ramp up. We'd lake uh you're not stay at alien. They're going to let you know they are even until eventually twenty ninety. Riots began on the twenty third of october two thousand nineteen and lasted for several days. A month took to the streets burnt. 'cause and killed several people. They thought were their opponents. Eight hundred six people died across the country. What caused this horrific outbreak of violence. The facebook post by opposition leader jiwa muhammad. When evening from his home in id saba shawarma hamad posted. An unsupported claim internet thing that he would be killed by minorities in his post he called on his supporters for help in response some of his followers called for war and well gerard denies that he was intentionally. Inciting violence hate flooded onto facebook content running for the killing of minority groups again. Burhan tie confident. Actually putting people like your name is from different ethnic group going kill them literally not with what we were seat and then everyone starts to do things on their own hand and you know kids minorities everything that could go wrong when trunk engaged minorities were brutally multi like brutal brutal gruesome violent minority communities being brutally targeted by deal romell country's largest ethnic group. When they tried to cut my granddaughter's grabbed. I took out nine mine instead incident. Then they stop but they took her father instead since then the government just has not been able to get back to any sort of eight hundred thousand these diaper police on monday at least fifty fatal shooting of show so every couple of weeks. Dozens have been killed in. There's just another outbreak of this sort of violence. Crispell blown to peace chain whose political change and got his bushy from the arm. Saudi patties. what happened and so back in nairobi. In an air conditioned conference room with this supreme court facebook training session was underway as was sitting there staring down at this ipad with the photo on it. That says kill all men. She's like yeah. This has to come down you know. I'm not space to even give space to having a content governance in motivation when it's about humor while and bertrand was not alone in this many people felt data's an incitement of violence that can result in actual harm begin facebook sprint harris and data. Something that should not be on baseball and so ending around four pm to be honest with. She walked out of the session. Just like this does not address the issues that we're talking about today. Damn what do we do because it really is a we. What do we do if the very thing that people in new york in an ironic way say must stay. Up is the various thing that makes her walkout because it's just utterly privileged and completely ignorant of the real life consequences of hate speech. That's wow and keep in mind. These are just mock trials training sessions really like they ran into this as they were trying to answer how to answer these sorts of questions and now we will get to some of their actual rulings and the supreme court itself. Yes but i like. I think that the tension we're seeing here goes deeper than this one example. I mean at the core of facebook is very american understanding of freedom of expression. And you hear this. Even in the way facebook executives just talk about the company more people being able to share their experiences. That's how we make progress together. You know how many times has mark zuckerberg said some version of this. Most progress in our lives actually comes from individuals having more of a voice but when you talk to people from from different parts of the world like there's not universal agreement on this. I will definitely tell you that. I found myself. Oh my good. I was as has i told again professor indulge challa coca principal came and overwhelm us with information. Wouldn't have a awaken stub factory. Checking system didn't have journalism citizenships. We ethiopia have imported facebook. We haven't imported the rest of the institutions in democratic foundations. Right the economic security around which such untrammeled freedom of expression is beneficial and so we can use eight years ago. I thought that freedom of expression and to help us liberate us and get us out of both in italian system. Now i have seen people get angry and they will take matters homeland. That's what happened. So it's about like A choice between coexistence. Or being whatever you want to say it it comes down that for me and as i've seen the violence that does because made i think i would prefer coexistence and to put that opinion in perspective here. Eighty percent of facebook users are not american eight zero. Yeah really yeah to a very difficult pass one. That's being done by people that have no freaking idea about our way of life the in an unfortunately it's ask that are being affected over and over again with these things of dining than you guys. I mean it's anyone. Openly advocating for just abolishing facebook. Yes but i don't think anybody's taking that particularly seriously. But i mean come on like at a certain point for private company becomes so potentially toxic to the very basic functioning of a decent democracy. I don't know man. I don't know unless you can somehow break facebook into a balkanized set of internet's where each one has its own separate rules. But i doubt that's even possible. Well engineering wise i. It is possible Facebook in a few rare. Instances already does employees some version of this. I spoke to monica. Bicker who is Facebook's head of global policy and and she explained that there are certain slurs that are outlawed in specific regions but allowed everywhere else and similarly they do have to abide by local laws. But she did go on to say that quote. If you want a borderless community you have to have global policies and that she doesn't expect that to change. No no that's crazy. You're gonna have to be so astute and so aware of regional context and regional history. I don't think that's possible to actually. And now that. I'm saying out loud. I think they should be outlawed. Suddenly talked myself into a very extreme position but it suddenly seems. Like what other solution is there. Well the solution. Facebook has landed on. Is this supreme court after those global workshops. they took all that feedback and created this this independent structure. It's going to have a forty members. It currently has nineteen. The members represent every continent other than antarctica. And they're from just a a wide array of backgrounds some are lawyers others are free speech scholars activists journalists Even a former prime minister of denmark and among the first decisions they're going to have to make is whether or not former president trump will be banned from the platform indefinitely Facebook has currently banned him but it will be up to the board to to rule on whether that bans should remain or be lifted. And i mean this decision won't just impact trump i. It could very well have implications for how facebook will deal with political figures. Not just in the united states but in places like ethiopia. Hello hello if. I'm mina very nice to meet you virtually here. I'm good. how are you sir. All right and well making the right decisions for for the entire planet seems in many ways. Impossible when i sat down and talked to several members of this court of this board i have to say they did make me a little bit hopeful. Thanks so much for being willing to do this. I hope we can have a little bit of fun here today. Also yes i think. We should make as much controversy as possible. Oh wow okay well. This is mine. He's a member of the board former special rapid tour to the united nations and he's basically spent his entire life fighting for human rights. And what struck me about him right off. The bat is just how facebook he is. I have. I haven't used facebook or twitter myself really. I'm also i tried to keep my private life. Why the hell were you chosen to be on the oversight board of a product that you don't even use why. Yeah because it's all kinds of people being chosen for. I mean that's that's the beauty of it. Doesn't it all kinds of people on the board all kinds. And then he sees the solution here in the incremental progress we've made in the past. Look i see. I see this work. As as human rights work with have gone through in my life two different things around hate speech using radio in your first one ronda in kenya's well the media and be abused. Man how'd uranium. In how to mitigate them and how to mitigate them in a way that doesn't abuse human rights so that that the tools and the problems is basically. Say the difference. Is that media. Mainstream media before social media has been regulated over tight decades on years then informed and guided. How information is put out. He said just look at the five second delay. That live television runs on now. I'm sure when it started the live. Television live radio. It was it was on on the go. So i think that's the questions we have to deal with but facebook but i think i think i have. I have confidence that days. Enough experiencing the world s dealt with these phenomenons and this feeling resonates with most of the people. I spoke to at facebook. I mean i spent about fifteen years working on climate. Before i came to facebook and i think the issues here are deeply analogous again. Tariffs are human generated. There are major regulatory actions that are needed. There is a serious responsibility by industry to step up and think about the responsibility that they hold and The solutions that will come forward as we start to figure out how to address. These types of challenges will inherently be incremental. And at times i worry will kill off incremental. Good progress that start to address these issues because they don't solve everything. Is the paris agreement enough. No is it a lot better than we had before. Yes is the montreal protocol enough. No is it a substantial step forward against this challenge. yes and building. This board is only one step in a wide array of many other steps. That need to be taken on it. It sounds to me the way you're saying is this is the first piece in this global governance body. Facebook is imagining. Well if it really works and people end up believing in it and thinking it's a step forward then yeah. Further steps can be taken can be issues criticize specific people who are on chris process in. I mean when. Kate clinic who who turned us onto this story to begin with when she interviewed mark zuckerberg he said. As much oversight board is the end. I wanted to get billed as part of he eventual community governments governance that i think we will end up having ten years our however long it takes to all this out at a good concrete staff that we could go and what they're thinking of in terms of next steps would be something like regional circuits for a level of adjudication that are more regional or more localized sits alone. This board as a means of taking these decisions. You mean like Seven continental courts or fifty two sub-regional courts that feed up to the one supreme court. Yeah that's right and so we're watching spring up. Here is not just a solution to what is truly one of the problems of our moment but also this new way to organize ourselves and sort of adjudicate. Our behavior look look. What we're trying to do is an. I can tell you to whack a break but i can tell you. We'll try to make it work as much as and when we make mistakes i'm apps including i've got no doubt mind that being the humans we are not yet evolved to into saints and angels. We will make mistakes. That's part of the process the oversight board started officially hearing cases in october They've already ruled on matters ranging from whether nude photos advocating breast cancer awareness should stand to whether a post about churches in azerbaijan constitutes. The board will render their decision on president. Trump in the next few months story was produced in reported by simon adler with original music throughout by. Simon is original music by simon there. We're hearing right now. Simon indeed all right As we said at the top. 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The Deep Side of Dallas: Saving Red Bird Mall shouldnt have to save southern Dallas too

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The Deep Side of Dallas: Saving Red Bird Mall shouldnt have to save southern Dallas too

"Brought to you by state farm like a good neighbour state farm is there. This is the need side of dallas. I'm rudy bush. Deputy editorial page editor for the dallas morning news. And i'm paul corless chief communications officer for the university of north texas system on the deep side we dive into local news and issue too candid conversations with people making impact in dallas and welcome to the deep side of dallas podcast. I'm paul corless chief. Communications officer for the university of north texas system. Here as always with my co-host rudy bush of the dallas morning news for decades. The city of dallas has been separated by north-south divide the booming neighborhoods of north dallas represent cities traditional areas of wealth while the city southern regions have lagged behind the north and economic growth. And opportunity our guest for this episode of the podcast are working to bridge. The gap between the north and south in dallas. Central to their efforts is a two hundred million dollar redevelopment of redbird mall and iconic spot in southern dallas that they are working to transform into a mixed use center of economic opportunity join yesterday peter brodsky owner and developer of redbird mall and terence maiden a native oak cliff who serves as ceo for local real estate development firm russell glenn peter terrence. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having us. thank you. thank you so much. Glad you're here. I'm glad we're talking about the redevelopment of redbird something that has been talked about for a long time and as as paul alluded to in in his introduction. Dallas has this serious geographical gap in terms of. Its its ability to develop. Its it southern. Half even though it's a beautiful part of the city in in terms of just it's it's geography it's it's part of the city that has a lot of available land that could be developed. And when people talk about the barriers to redevelopment they don't often get into all the opportunities. But you guys are to folks who have seen the opportunities there and the other thing is whenever i hear people talk about the possibility of southern dallas usually redbird mall somewhere in that discussion. Either as a cautionary tale or as a possibility but i wanted to just back up a little bit and terence. I know you grew up in oak cliff as paul mentioned and this is an area that was familiar to you as as a child. So redbird opened in nineteen seventy five. I think it was a property on for a long time by the barlow family. What do you remember about the mall as as a kid well well. First of all rudy Oak cliff is home for me and I have very fine memories Redbird mall growing up. You know it was. The place of activity was the place. Where you know a lot in me and my peers hang out at It was the fun spot to be And it was that way for a lot of african americans in that Community was also a sense of pride. You know kind of the mall for our community In the evening so today you know when i share that i'm you know involved in redbird even not only locally but even when i'm traveling people recognize redbird mall so that speaks to the sort of impact that the mall has had on the community for for many many years. And you know it's it's been A real privilege to work with peter to really execute on this vision that we're putting forth and it's been an exciting project take on And it makes me feel really good personally to come back home into realize something that has been talked about for for many many years For the community. Well let's let's little a little bit of the economic history. Peter because you got involved in this sort of as as an investor somewhere around two thousand fifteen if i'm right about that but there was a long history prior to your involvement that kind of took them all to a place where it was considered. Maybe an untouchable Investment by a lot of folks who just walk us through the the economics of the being from from its opening till he tell you got involved Sure first of all thank thanks for the opportunity to be here today If if i could can i can i go back a little bit further than that you know you. You talked about the economic divide between north and south in dallas. And and this leads directly into your into your your characterization that rampart was viewed as kind of an untouchable asset. It's important understanding. That divide didn't just happen by accident. That divide was the result of some intentional policies by the city of dallas over decades to invest in the north and starve the south for capital and the best example that i can give of that. Is you take the lbj loop in the north. It's called six thirty five in the south. They don't even call it the same thing. It's called i twenty part of the loop but it's a different highway. Six thirty five has exits frequently with service roads. I twenty had no exits in the city of dallas when it was built and therefore no service roads think about all the development that happened along the service roads of lbj where it's six thirty five offices. Apartments retail centers. People got off the highway. They went right into development southern dallas. You couldn't even get off the highway. Then they added a couple of accidents. No service runs. So that's one of about a thousand different decisions that were made to differentiate north from south and the result was that there was almost no development in southern dallas. When you stand on the roof of redbird mall which is only two stories you can see downtown. Redbird mall and the galleria are equidistant from downtown. I guarantee you. If you're on the second floor of the galleria you cannot see downtown there. Too many buildings in the way so. Those policies have long since ended. And you're probably going to say this. But i don't believe there was an exit for redbird mall there there there. There are four potential places where there could be exits north and on sixty seven and east and west on twenty. Because we're the intersection. Only on the southbound side of sixty seven is there an exit Although i will say that was the case when the mall was built in it's not like the mall was there and then they intentionally built a highway with no exit so that one. I can't blame on on. I can't blame on anyone that has been a problem with the mall. that's being rectified. Now but but but the point is that even though those policies have ended first of all a vicious cycle was started where it's difficult to do development and so no one wants to development and then the second thing is there's a general hangover and the hangover is. Don't go down there. You don't wanna develop their i. I moved here in. Nineteen ninety five. And i didn't go to southern dallas a year for the fair for the first fifteen years because all i heard was don't go there. You don't wanna go there. I had no idea what there was. I thought there was like a little neighborhood. I had no idea was two hundred and eight square miles bigger than all of atlanta bigger than north dallas forty percent of the population more than half of the land mass of the city that i was not supposed to go to so the entire southern dallas has a hangover the insider tire southern dallas viewed as untouchable and terence and i saw Terrance knew it from growing up there. And i saw from getting to know the community. Is that the area that redbird mall sits in is a very solidly middle class part of oak cliff. It's proximate to the suburbs which are Which are quite well to do cedar hill soda etcetera And and yet the amenities in it were were very low quality so to get directly to your question. The economics are that the redbird mall thrived for a long time for twenty twenty or twenty five years when in the mid to late nineties. There were some The area became Had more crime There were some crime incidents in the parking field. There was a murderer across the street at mervyn's and at the same time the people who had grown up in cliff were moving further south in search of a better school system and when people when folks started to move to cedar hill and soda. Duncanville lancaster eventually dillard's and jc penney which were to the anchors of the mall followed. So that so they closed at red bird and they moved to cedar hill and once a mall loses to of its anchors it's not a thriving mall and from there it just kind of got passed from hand to hand to hand and it was treated like a mall that was not worthy of reinvestment And so it produced cash flow. It was cash flowing the day. I bought it six years ago but the but the owners skimmed the cash flow. Put nothing back into it so began to look worse and worse. Parking fields began to deteriorate. It was dirty. it wasn't well lit. And so of course that's not helping anything and it kind of got into this death spiral But it never died and it never died because it's the only covered mall in southern dallas. There are not a lot of shopping opportunities and because of what parents talked about which is the nostalgia and the emotional resonance that redbird has with the community as a place that once was a high point of quality and so those are the assets that we saw as as really very positive. Despite the fact that everyone i know told me i was crazy to invest in southern malice and that it was a sure. Fire way to lose money and i wanted to backtrack on your exposure to southern dallas. So you get here in ninety five. You're a transplant from from the east. Coast i i'm similar. i came here from chicago. I went to college in fort worth but lived in dallas a couple of times i was never exposed to southern dallas until i started working for you and tea and went to u. n. t. dallas. I i just had no idea right. What exposure did you have down there. And what kind of poetry heartstrings. Or whatever to get you involved in not just development but you're involved in the community to. Yeah i i mean honestly it boils down to one thing. I took the leadership. Dallas class that the dallas regional chamber has and that thing changed my life my my nineteen year. Old daughter actually said to me the other day. I think leadership dallas changed your life really. Did it exposed me to parts of the city. That i had never been exposed to i. It exposed me to people that i would never been exposed to dallas is so segregated racially and socioeconomically that unless you make a particular effort to expose yourself you can go about your merry way and never see anyone who's any different from you for your entire life and i know a lot of people in north dallas they. They've never even left their zip code. You know grew up. Went to hp went to smu bought a house in And so that exposure opened my eyes to what the city was. And yeah i i got started getting involved philanthropic lee in southern dallas. Because i wanted to give back to the community but you spend enough time there. He realized like southern dallas. Mike rawlings always say southern. Now isn't a charity case and it became very apparent to me that while there's a lot of need in southern dallas and north dallas As well there's also economic opportunities and The biggest economic opportunity that that that was apparent to me was a supply demand imbalance. There was a demand for quality amenities. But if you wanted them you live in that area and you want them. You got to drive a long way. And so that's a hole in the market and that's how you make. Money is investing where there's a commercial whole what was interesting. You said it. Southern dallas is not a charity case. Because i feel like a lot of times i do hear speakers or people connected to the southern dallas community that treat it like that and terence. You grew up in oak cliff. Southern dallas wonder. What's your perspective on that. Because there's many times where. I feel like i do here. It position as a charity case You know there's very relevant i. I think there is a balance right. There are some pockets of oak cliff that are desperately in need of up services That could benefit from philanthropic sort of donations and support but there is A large percentage of southern dallas. That are well to do families. That are as peter mentioned looking for quality amenities that they can go out and experience. Whether it's you know The the access to better healthcare if access to a grocery store Not having to travel mouths to get sort of daily needs and so. I think it's a fine balance where you you do have to. You know realize that. There are areas of improvement and where the nonprofit community could really come in and work alongside the four profit investors. But you know figuring that balanced out is what's gonna keep southern dallas moving forward in a positive way you you you can't philanthropy your way out of this problem right. This problem was caused by the fact that this that that part of the city was denied development and yes there's dared some areas that are desperately in need of philanthropy. But they're also need of jobs. You know you look at the office space in this city you tell me you besides be vague tower. You name one office building in southern house. Well that's the. That's a big part of the challenge. I think you guys are facing. And i see this whenever i see a project in southern dallas. That gets some buzz or some excitement around it. The project not only has to be successful in itself. It suddenly has to be this multiplier that almost like a savior. And oh it's going to be red. Birds gonna come back. Or the trinity forest golf course and the byron nelson is going to spur all of this new development. Or how can we have. Bishop arts to You know just some somewhere else. Just south of their soup i guess. How do you look at the project. What success means for for redbird interns. I know you you're in. The space of your company is in the space. You're the ceo of russell glenn What does success look like for redbird To you and how much pressure should there be for it to be a multiplier area I think that's a great question I'm not sure peter. And i will totally understand. Successor may not see it. I mean i think what we've done was definitely created an opportunity to provide quality amenities for this community. I also believe what we're seeing across the country with repositioning malls. I think our strategy was spied on and the most refreshing thing is having peter at the table. Who's not in real estate. Because he brought a very fresh perspective to our strategy that traditional developers will go in. Just try to see. How can we get as much in hawaii quickly as possible and get out of this. Where peter Was committed devoted to this project long term and so that enabled us to make some very intentional decisions. That i think is going to make the mall successful long term and so My hope is that some of the things that we have put in place with bringing major health systems in You know the idea of bringing more family oriented entertainment public green spaces restaurants. Those things will be able to thrive For years in years to come but also to be a catalyst right for everything else. That's happening around us. And i think that's a real win. And that's why i hope you know twenty years thirty years from now we will start. Seeing high rises in the southern half dallas not think best to win to that strategy but in a nutshell what is the strategy. The strategy was Was to have one point on the horizon that we were focused on and that was provide quality to the community. And the reason we were able to do that is because because the investor group Started out as just me and my wife. And now we've got a group of about twenty investors We've raised about thirty million dollars of equity capital. Everyone's patient most real estate funds. You have to invest an exit within five years because investors want their capital back and the sponsor wants to skin. They're carried interest and move on with life. Everybody in this deal has a fifteen to twenty year horizon And so the strategy is don't make short-term decisions based on what's going to maximize net operating income but be very selective about which tenants you allow into the development to make sure that you're creating the environment that you wanna create and you know for me I i agree with you. Rudy that a lot of these. A lot of these developments have a lot of pressure on them. And i don't think that's fair because it's a huge area and you know if a development in vickery meadow fails. It doesn't have anything to do with the view. Preston hollow which is two miles away but the development redbird has to do with fair park which is ten miles away but it does in people's minds and And so i do think that redbird redbird does have pressure on it to prove that that development in southern dallas is viable and in particular development that is aiming to serve the people who already live in southern dallas. All the other developments you mentioned bishop arts The trinity golf club. Golf course Trinity groves those are all about attracting people from outside of southern dallas north to come eat play golf and then go home. We're not trying to do that. We're trying to serve an existing population and if we are successful. And i think you know. Knock on wood. It feels like we're we're heading that way then. The next developer won't have such a hard time making that leap. The next restaurant won't have such a hard time making that leap and the next bank that needs to finance. These deals won't have such a hard time making the leap that something in southern dallas can be successful and so i do think that that we are paving the way and so to me successes of vibrant success a vibrant financially successful community that cash flows and provides a return on investment. Does it the right way and creates a model that others can do locate and other places in the city so so let's give our our listeners. A picture of where we are now five six years ago. What progress has been made. What what tennessee there. What what renovations have happened. What what's the picture. Look like today. You take that i can. Yeah we spend a labor of love but we have made some great strides the bigger announcements that we may was trying Coming in out of the the customer service call center which will employ about two thousand people from the community which was a huge win for us also being successful with landing parkland. ut southwestern children's to provide you know more access to healthcare It's going to drive more traffic into the project in those are really are anchors. And that's not only happening at redbird we're starting to see dynamic across the country where some of these Former anchor builders are being re reimagined as healthcare but you know kudos to ut southwestern and parkland and children's for stepping up to plant a flag in southern dallas. The other things that we're doing we open We saw palladium to open a three hundred unit luxury apartment homes and they're at like ninety five percents even maybe one hundred percent occupancy so that's I mean they're they're doing well. Starbucks open is one of the best performance starbucks in our city. So all that points to the fact and i think peter mentioned is that you can open here and be very successful As a business and we have a lot more announcements that we're we're anticipating making over the next few months but things are going well hotel on the horizon to Yeah we have. We have a deal with a with a hotel developer to bring him a half marriott. Courtyard residents in one hundred and fifty room. Hotel be the only brandon hotel anywhere in the area and city of dallas. We will by Certainly by this time next year of not earlier we will have completely renovated. The entire site replaced the entire parking field. All the underground infrastructure could in landscaping concrete parking fields new lighting. We will have renovated Three of the main buildings we may or may not have gotten to one last one but The main mall the former sears which is becoming ut southwestern in the dillard's which is parkland and some other tenants We'll all have been re skinned to you. Know look nice. We will demolished a bunch of the mall and and now we are getting calls from restaurants. There were there. Were no sit down restaurants anywhere near here and now we are getting. Actually people are calling us saying. Hey i want to open it redbird. That is huge. Six years ago when we tried to attract restaurants we were laughed at and and the best the best story. I've got about it. Is that terrence. was time remember. Terrance was talking to a restaurant and they were like. We're not going there. No no one's gonna no one's going to buy a meal there and taryn said we'll look. We have a starbucks opening. So how about. I call you back in six months to a year and tell you how that's going. He was like if starbucks does well. I'll believe it so six months to a year later. He calls back and he goes. Starbucks is killing it and the guy goes starbucks. Does well everywhere. You can't win tears this guy. Peter you said that. I let me let me ask this question because look i've been around the block a little bit with with city politics and city hall and development and one of the things that i have heard time and again and whether it's true or not I think depends on on who you're talking to but that it is very difficult and a lot of ways to do business politically and bureaucratically when you cross the river for whatever reason. Have you found it more difficult to do. Business a in revitalizing redbird. Well keep in mind. I don't have anything to compare it to north. But but i but i can speak to it without a comparison i will say that the city can be very complicated to deal with. It's a very complicated system of government The the single member district and the week mayor. And i understand why it evolved that way But it does make it. It can make it you got you got a lot of people you have to convince of everything I think that might rawlings did a phenomenal job of helping not only the city bureaucracy but also the citizenry understand that if we don't develop southern dallas the city's future is imperilled because you it's unsustainable to have half the city contributing fifteen percent of the tax base that that is not sustainable and so i think that there was a huge amount of goodwill at the city towards this project and still is that has helped The other thing is that we happen to have a very tenacious councilman for the district to nell. Atkins who has been a real champion of the project. And he's good at getting things done in city hall I will say. I was warned by a lot of people when i got into this project. Who every developer that tries to do southern dallas ends up in jail. You'd better be careful. And i will say that i have never ever been even made uncomfortable by any conversation i've had with the government official I mean not even close Not i mean it. Just that has not been a problem for me at all So i can't speak to other people's experiences but so despite the difficulties and the bureaucracy The city's really come through for us and A lot of the myths. That i heard about how you know. Oh you're gonna be. Everyone's going to have their hand out. There's bribe this that. None of that happened. None of that happened to Peterson is no one of the things that he did very early in. The process was reach out to the community and having grown up in that area. I can tell you that that was critical There are some people with opinions. There is a lot of people would opinions. there's there's a level of distrust especially y developer coming into oh clip and no buying our prize asset and going to redevelop it but peter with the right road and havemann having several community meetings in making sure everyone had a voice at the table When a long way we can political support. How much have you help. Open doors for peter and even going back. How did you guys even come together. You know we. We worked well in tandem Peter has a very analytical approach to this project which i think has really helped us out a lot you know i think i have a lot of passion just because i care deeply about this community You know as far as timing when peter. When i heard that he purchased a mom like. Who's this guy this Ball redbird because at the time i was working with frank meal and he and i was actually very interested in in redbird mall and i think I think i reached out to you first. Peter for four actually put us together. Oh okay wow yeah so we. We had our first meeting and just really hit it off. And i think i mentioned this earlier but i really appreciate the fact that he wasn't in real estate because it took someone with a fresh perspective to come into this to really have The right sort of commitment level and fortunately franken finishing up the glen oaks crossing the walmart project in southern dallas. So i had the bandwidth to take on another project so the time it was great. I want two cents. Just based on the the idea of how hope supposedly hard it is to get things done in southern dallas persons the rest of the city You know in valley view takes years and years and six more or less like a bombed out disaster site. Nobody talks about it being hard to do business in the north So i do feel like there's this constant You always have to do twice as well and half. The credit is my sense of what goes on south. Maybe you guys have something to say about that. A hundred percent me now. i'll say two things. One is just general to comment. I made earlier about you. Know what if redbird has to do with with fair park. It's like in everyone's mind all of southern dallas monolithic. And it's exactly the same thing. There's no acknowledgement of how huge it is diverse population socioeconomically racially diverse pleasant growth and oak cliff. Have nothing to do with each other. They are so so different but but one thing happens in southern dallas and the entire areas painted with it. And so you're right. Valley view sat. You know with nothing going on. Nobody is saying oh. North dallas is viable. Right it's like that old headline murder in oak cliff. Where was actually. You don't know where the murder was. It was in oakland. There's an oak cliff half a southern the the the other thing. I'll say the phrase that you use just to be very. Frank is a phrase that that i hear from From from friends in the african american community all the time you gotta be twice as good to get half the credit and that is definitely true of this development there there. We have literally been murders north park in the parking lot. Nobody cares everybody flocks back there if there's a hubcaps stolen in the parking lot there's a channel eleven news copter overhead crime at redbird. You know so. We have to be really careful. There is no room for error and that is both literal but it's also a real metaphor four The the state of of of racial dynamic in this country and for me personally. This has been an incredibly i opening experience and i understand perfectly. Well that i'll never understand fully but the amount of only put it this way. This has exposed me about up close and personal as i'm ever going to be able to get to the fact that race plays a role in everything. In this in this society everything and a lot of the ambivalence is and trepidation that that businesses have about coming to redbird are definitely steeped in implicit or sometimes explicit. Racial bias Everything from someone saying to me. Oh i you should get a grocery store and say yeah. We're trying to get a grocery store. Oh i think an all the would be phenomenal. I while we're thinking more like a whole foods wholefoods yeah. What are they need that for. Little little code in there. Yeah like what do you mean. Who's they and what do you mean what they need that for. And it's i mean it's there are thousand examples and so you're right. We do have to work twice as hard to get half the credit and nothing can go wrong and that that is a lot of pressure that is a lot of pressure is a black men. that's from dallas. What's what's your perspective. On the north south we talked about the economic divide. But there's a racial divide to what's your perspective as a native here. You know. I i guess sadly you know something that always accustomed to you know the the first time that i even ventured north of downtown was after i graduated from college so yeah so a lot of people in oakland that's their same experience and so You know going to. Tcu opened my eyes up to sort of the the real disparity of southern dallas north dallas. Exactly exactly so you know the city still has a way to go. I think in light of the joys floored murder That you know there are opportunities for us to come together. I'm glad that we are really having meaningful conversations around diversity equity and inclusion I think redbird is has been a terrific example in model of how you can do impact investment in communities and do social good with making a return on your your money and so you know. My hope is that we continue to see that momentum in southern dallas. Are we going to solve every problem overnight. Absolutely not but i think starting to make strides in that direction will go a long way And it's my hope that Looking forward we we can see that. Southern dallas in northern dallas becomes. Just one dollars and That's that's my hope. You know sharon grigsby from your paper. Was that the gray chair. The great sharon grigsby road a really insightful piece when starbucks at redbird and it was about how everyone who walked into the store was surprised. The white people from north dallas generally walked in. And we're like how the something this nice in this area and the black people from the community walked in and thought somebody built something this nice for us and the whole column was about how sad it is that everyone was surprised by the idea. Everyone had cognitive dissonance about the idea of high quality in southern dallas for the people who live in southern dallas and to me that that column encapsulated a lot of societal issues that we still have have to work through and my hope is that this development is a tiny step towards Dispelling those dispelling matt surprise in everybody. Well i appreciate that. And one of the challenges that i think is interesting that you guys are trying to address And you mentioned chime earlier and and that you've got parkland and and southwestern there is yes. There is economic diversity in southern dallas. But the reality is that there is a significant. Lack of capital and wealth in a huge portion of the population in my sense is one of the strategies. You guys are engaging is kind of trying to start the generation going by creating opportunity for people there so maybe talk a little bit more about that. You've got to build wealth to for them to create commerce for yourselves. Essentially i mean in that right. Terrance sort of what's going on at china. I think the ethos of what we're trying to accomplish is just to improve the quality of life. Okay for the people in that community. Weather is accessibility health care. If is key if if we can avoid. A mother happened to drive thirty miles to get the work. He's morning if if she can work in and live in the same community that that drastically improves quality life. Not only for her for her family and so we are sense. Hopefully a foundation that sort of change and not only physically but also psychologically like And so i think that's where we're we're starting to make some of those strides. I mean the feedback. I've received from the community has been overwhelming lake. We're just so happy that someone would come and invest the way in not only the vestment capital but the investment of time and sweat and tears to make this a reality. What what's been fun about this project is how if you have the right Patients and you have the right strategy a lot of things that are the right thing to do. Also turn out to be the economically smart thing to do. So you're right having fifteen hundred or two thousand people in the building all of whom are making at least a living wage. That is going to drive a lot of lunch. Purchases and christmas perch hard device starbucks. If you don't make money that day exactly so so there there's an economic return on that and and also it's employing. A lot of people mean the day. We held the job fair in the center. Quarter redbird for chime and three hundred fifty. People walked out of there with living wage jobs. That are that were five to ten minutes from their house. It was one of the happiest most joyous days. I've ever been ever had and i wasn't even the one getting the job. So we told our real our broker commercial real estate brokers. Do not bring us a call center because call centers usually nine or ten bucks an hour. I do not do that. And they brought us said. This one's different. These guys pay living wages. So you know the other thing that's happening by the way is. We're turning into not only a center of african american employment but entrepreneurship a lot of the people who are looking to open restaurants or dental practices. Or what what have you are front. Community are are black members of the community and they are going to own their businesses. And that's terrific so the whole thing really works together. Well it's It's a lot of pieces. Coming together is is we kind of wind down our conversation here. The last thing. I'd ask each of you is you know. Let's let's let's make positive assumption that things progress in a positive way. What's next for you guys in southern dallas in southern dallas. As a whole we're gonna give you very different answers. That's good i. i'm a one and done We my wife. And i put a lot of our own money in this if it goes well i'm gonna i'm i. I'm not going to become a serial real estate developer. And i'd like to own this for a long time And i'd like to continue to see develop over the next twenty years But it's not a model that i'm personally going to replicate And you know. I'm almost an empty nester. Got two more years of that so probably something more low key or we're going hold you to that we're gonna see in ten years. They keep calling me back. Yeah i i actually see redbird as A model as i mentioned earlier for other malls Across the us. And so you know. I'm beginning to explore other communities that her experience similar challenges that we discovered here. Redbird how we can come in add value. There's other areas of southern dallas. I like to develop in as well. So i'm excited to see what the future holds. We'll look it's critically important and it for anybody who's who's listening go go down to redbird mall go. Cd's entrepreneurial shops the it's it's a really great day trip It's a it's a fun place to be. It's a neat place to check out into to understand that your city isn't exactly what you might Think it is if you never get down to a place. That's that's that's both beautiful and changing and growing in in positive ways. Hey thanks a lot guys for being with us. We really appreciate it. Thanks dr thank you. Thank you guys. You know southern southern growth and opportunity his would leads us to maybe our full potential right rudy amen to our audience. Thank you for listening to the deep side of dallas feel free to email us at deep side at dallas news dot com with questions comments and ideas for rudy bush. Paul corless. we'll talk to you soon. Side of dallas is presented by the dallas morning news in the university of north texas system. Our show is produced by aidan. Barry if you like would you heard today. Please followed the dallas news. 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The Supreme Court of Facebook

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38:33 min | 7 months ago

The Supreme Court of Facebook

"I'm simon adler from radio lab. And this week in collaboration with the new yorker magazine and the new yorker radio hour. We explore facebook supreme court. You can listen to radio lab. Work every listen to podcasts. I'm dorothy workington on today's politics. More podcast new yorker contributor. Cloning and radio labs simon adler look at facebook's oversight board the panel sometimes called the supreme court of facebook was assembled to deal with the company's most complicated content moderation questions. Her yet. how you doing. I'm doing well. How are you thanks for doing this. It is very cool to be here in the host chair. Next you david do we. Should we just do it. Sure let's go okay. Three two one. I'm chad having rod. This is the new yorker radio hour. And i'm david ramnik. Jad of course is the host of radio lab. And he's joining me because today's episode is something special so radio lab has been reporting about facebook for a couple of years now. we've been looking specifically at the rules around what you can post on facebook. And what you can't. And how facebook decides with that hugely bureaucratic name. Wait for it. Content moderation right which essentially refers to fifteen thousand issue content moderators working twenty four seven moderating all of the post coming in from all the different countries around the world moment by moment according ideally to one set of rules which in reality results in a giant mess a huge mess but in real life hugely important with big global implications think about donald trump. If you have to. Facebook kept bending the rules in allowing posts that would be banned because he was the president after all he was special but trump was finally banned by facebook after he used the platform to incite the riot on six. The capital now. Republicans tend to see the facebook ban as some enormous liberal plot to silence trump and others say that the facebook move was way too little and far too late and so with pressure coming in from both sides. what does facebook now do with trump. Is he banned for life because of those past posts or should he be allowed to rejoin and who gets to decide. Mark zuckerberg recently announced that he was going to refer the problem to a new group known as the oversight board ken very technocratic name but The oversight board of facebook is less like something you would see a big corporation and More like a government body in fact since they announced it. The nickname of the oversight board is the supreme court of facebook the supreme court a facebook well. Simon adler from the radio team has been reporting on how this kind of work and at the same time at the new yorker. We just published a big piece by kate clinic in a kate is a law professor and a journalist and she had an extraordinary degree of access to the inner workings of facebook. While all this was going on. Hello kate how are you. Are you rolling on your end area. And now i am really so this is a radio lab new yorker radio hour mutant hybrid production with simon adler from the radio lab team and kate clinic of the new yorker so a couple months back. I called up. Kate clinic to talk about this shift and this research project. She's been working on documenting it. I want to be done with this project so and this has been your life. Yeah it has a little bit too much though. I'm ready like i'm ready to do something different. Kate is a professor of law at saint. john's university she's steadied facebook off and on for years and she was added again because back in two thousand eighteen mark zuckerberg. The company's ceo was considering this strange proposal. Yes like this crazy project to solve this crisis about content management inside for the last couple like a little over a year actually sat down with mark to talk about all this. She did it over the computer. So you'll hear the clicking of keys the but anyway as he told her that. I just think it's not sustainable. Over time for one percent or even at one company is operations to be making so many decisions balancing free expression of safety at scale like i recognize that this is a huge responsibility. And i'm not going to be here forever. I plan to be riding the company for for a while but but one day. I'm not to be running the company i think. At that point it was the it would be to have built a separate set of independent structure that ensure that the values around free expression and balancing. These equities excess. Oh interesting like i trust me. But i don't necessarily trust the next guy right and so like a benevolent dictator. He wants to devolve power away from facebook and himself and what he'd landed on as a model for how to do. This was supreme court for facebook. And very what exactly like what. Yeah so the proposal was pretty simple. It was creating a group of people from all over the world that would basically be this oversight on facebook. and it's speech policy is essentially. Think of it as like the supreme court of the united states but instead of overruling lower court's decisions this supreme court at facebook we would be able to overrule facebook's own decisions. It's a hard pitch to make isn't it. Oh my god one hundred percent. You can imagine how that went over. And they're like wait. Why would you want us to do what. That's how i imagine that going. Yeah mark wanted this to happen and so it happened. It's part of like a a larger. I think that he sees facebook. Becoming more and more like government isn't even the best term but like a system of government retire to you. The fact that i have controlled to face help implement like a long term legacy that he knows will not make terrible decisions. This this seems to be them catching up and being like yeah like if you've got three billion users you're bigger than any company at that point and he country your rules can be as impactful as any governments laws and so you really need to start thinking of yourself in a new way. Yeah i think that's right. Has any company ever done anything like this before. I mean honestly there's nothing that even kind of comes close and i don't wanna be grandiose about this but there is a sense in which feels like you're watch. I felt like i was watching an experiment that would if even if it completely and utterly failed would be remembered and be a lesson for however the world ends up sorting out the problem of online speech and so once facebook decided to build this court the suddenly needed to figure out like what cases would go to the court who would be on it. How would they make these decisions. And it became clear that it's it's not appropriate to have a single person. Answer these questions on behalf of society or freight this institution. This is brent harris who led facebook's effort to build this board this court and as one of his first decisions he said we need to go out and listen to a wide array of people. About what the problems are and challenges are the day are finding and ask them. What did they want this to be. What can what can we create instead. They held dozens of listening sessions. All over the world talking to laypeople but the cornerstone of this process was really six global workshops where they invited experts to come and way in Kate was one of forty or so people that attended the us workshop. It was held in the basement of the no man hotel in downtown manhattan and when she walked in it was like walking into technologists wedding. You come in. Every like table is decorated with succulents in bottles of voss water and an ipad ipad is not for you to keep an in fact. Someone joke to one of the facebook people. Judge me like yeah. We used a couple of generations ipad to make sure. No one watching with spectacular. You have an ipad and ultimately this moderator came out and tried to get the rooms attention and of course. Everyone's half listening. Most people are on their phones and whatever else in part because like a lot of people in that room. Were just very skeptical of what facebook was doing here. I mean kate herself. Remain somewhat skeptical of this court. This is just something facebook scapegoat. It's really crappy. Decisions to that. Was my main skeptical points and all of this but anyhow The moderator explained what they were up to that they'd brought these experts here to in essence design this institution. So what do you think there should be like. Why does it look like and some of it was like an answer to question. Some of things people brought up case selection questions board selection who picks the board and i would say a solid third of it was people standing up and holding forth on topics that had nothing to do with why we were there that day. Less of a question and more of a comment holy cow so many of those eventually though they got to the heart of the matter. How should a global board think about these cases that are that are right on the edge of what we wanted to do was really Could people in the shoes that facebook is in right now and taking these decisions. So they told them like. Hey you are going to play mock court as a group. You're going to have to decide whether a piece of content should stay up on facebook or come down and so everyone was asked to open their ipad. So you were asked to like we're going to go over the first simulation and what popped up on those ipads was this greenie photo of a little girl running towards the camera with a speech bubble photo shopped in that read quote kill all men and so the moderator asked if that eight speech what does that mean and should that be up on facebook or not leave it up or take them and so people started to discuss. People were like well. This wasn't funny and someone else's like does it matter whether it's funny or not back and forth and back and forth and even so like should men be protected like men are more protected than other groups. Eventually though the room pretty much came to an agreement kill all matt is clearly humor or social commentary. That should be on facebook and it's inappropriate for facebook to take that down like this is harmless joke right in. Facebook should be a place where harmless jokes can get made in this case. The joke only works because men are the power structure. If they weren't it wouldn't be funny. Yep it's punching up there you go. It's punching up right but here's where things get interesting because as we said they did. Six of these expert global workshops. Berlin singapore new delhi mexico city nairobi. And at each of them they they ran through this kill. All men scenario we ran back case across the world and Something that's very very striking is got really different viewpoints about should that be up on facebook or not like not just at the new york workshop but in berlin and other western liberal democracy and even singapore folks appointed leaving it up. And you know you'd think that that folks who've experienced more authoritarian governments and restrictions on their speech would also be for leaving it up but it didn't go that way go for it. But i understand like i understand that i of course i get all men. That's the most radical joke that you can mean. This is berman tie. She works for an ngo called access. Now defendant expenditure rights abuses at risk around the route and when she was shown this photo at the global workshop in nairobi which pad attendees from all across the african continent. Her thought was funny. And you know. Many of our finished might upset that once in our life could be it. Yeah i understand that to be a joke. So i'm like yeah. Of course they should be space for humor. And i know why satire so important. But but i'm sensing a but what what what is it so it's act all right. Put it so for me right now. You know it's funny but humidity luxury We're not we're not in laughing right now. So yes we've seen nothing like that that unfortunately white privilege and now we've lived through it so it's nothing it's not something that mean joke. Outright what is she. What event in the world is she thinking of when she says that well some very recent history and so. We're going to take a little bit of detour here to understand why burhan would want that. Kill all men joke. Take down and along the way we're going to see close up really the life and death decisions. This global court will have to make get to that right after a quick break producers. Simon adler he's been covering facebook's newly created oversight board which will address some of the most difficult questions about what can and can't be posted on the world's largest social media platform. This is the new yorker radio hour and we'll be back with a special collaboration with radio lab. In just a moment. This is the new yorker radio hour. I'm jaboomer normally of radio lab. And i'm david ramnik and we're doing this special presentation with radio lab about the supreme court of facebook. That's not its official name. It's officially called the oversight board. But it's supposed to function just like a supreme court a body that would make decisions on what can and cannot be posted rules that even the ceo of facebook even more exotic berg can overrule. So we've got a story on this. In the new yorker from journalist named kate classic and producers simon adler on the radio app side has been reporting on the supreme court as well so to rejoin that piece. We met a moment ago. A digital rights activist named berhanu tie. She attended one of the workshops. Facebook held in the process of creating the oversight board and she was opposed to leaving up a comedians goofy photo. Caption that read kill. All men tie a feminist. She gets the joke. So why does it need to come down. What was she thinking. Yeah well i mean it comes down to what's been going on in her home country absurdity and he'll get right now if ethiopia There's a lot of between different groups a lot of tension in looking at just the past four or five years there. You see how these questions of who's punching up and who's punching down can get flipped on their head with the click of a mouse so to set things up sits right on the horn of africa. It's the second most populous country on the continent and for a long time. It was considered one of the world's leading jailers of journalists politically. The country used to be very authoritarian. Steady repressive this is online activist turned academic and challa. At how many diversity and yes i can say that me and some of my colleagues. I people logging to hear can public. He was actually forced into exile because of this activism and the way he tells it the teen the worst unrest in a decade tissue started as a smallest kid student protests student protest and they start spreading across the country. Thousands took ethiopia streets over the weekend watching this unfold from the united states doctor challa at the center of these protests was this guide jawara muhammad. Yes in bone to grab what the nation again. Damilola doa himself. He's a very ticks. Avi guy he's articulate in the english dissenting voice that allowed that is going to be sufficient prager on the government to brackets will and you know he had about one point. Four three million followers on facebook making him as powerful as just about any news organization in ethiopia. Now a couple of quick things about jar number one. He is from the romo ethnicity the largest ethnic group in the country. And we'll get more into that in a moment. But first the other notable thing about you are is that at the time that these protests were getting underway. He was actually living in minnesota. He was in exile. They're thousands of miles away from the action. At least seventy five people killed as these protests intensified including clashes with the government to kill the clashes. He was able to galvanize folks and direct things because of face on kenya and so that sort of amazingly when these protests succeeded highly marie. Selene deadly anti-government government protest that he was lionized as well a hero. One who'd help us in a prime minister if the opium has a new leader. I'll be. I'll be at one. Sixty percent of new era in ethiopia since coming to power prime minister abu was engaged in this to one people of the country have to say the first time in our entire. Maybe two thousand years of history again. Bihan tie we actually taught united country government. Three thousands of political prisoners and journalists is the latest of sweeping measures. Invited those exile. Its european distance exiled abroad to come back. Home even ended a decades long conflict with neighbouring eritrea. Promise delivered i mean. These changes were so profound. That ethiopia's new prime minister. I'll be off med. Thanks in no small part to jawara muhammad went on to win. The nobel committee has decided to award the nobel peace prize to issue young prime minister. That's right the nobel peace prize. So what you've got here is really the promise of facebook realized right like man from thousands of miles away leverages facebook's power to bring down an authoritarian government and elevate a peace loving leader. I mean this is david and goliath level. And as part of all of these reforms we'd be the country we have now. Salvaged our office. In jaguar muhammad return to ethiopia and was welcomed with open arms. However while armored reform ambitions have increased popularity analysts fear that ethnic gravel race in ethiopia will undermine his reforms the very forces that brought this change about began pulling in the opposite direction. Yes the the first. The violence that happened was in twenty eighteen. The first it was gruesome pictures circulating on facebook. I don't defend anti epidemic not sentiment but what were the ethnic tensions and what was being said yet so how complicated to get in the weeds to give you get complicated. Well okay. So as i mentioned jawara is part of the romo at least The largest ethnicity in the country and well. The aroma are the largest They've also long felt politically and culturally marginalized and this feeling of marginalization this resentment really at the heart of the revolutionary protests. That jawara helped lead. John just curious. Are you a romo firstly. Theo pm i. i am honorable. I i mean many of his post pointed directly at it. He would phase hour memorial preston hollow. Almost where might have been and that is absolutely okay with me because some story can through street but he's a guy like Who i picked up the temperature ramp up some emotions. I as i say we are posted to fight back to come together and fight back But now even with the old government out of power and a new a romo prime minister in power jawara muhammad did not let up. He kept stoking this to be honest with you. The risk of not civil war but catastrophic communal violence across the country. I think people have come in with this. Inversion of power statements. he was making during. The protests sounded very different in twenty eight team like even just the line nine homeland when from being about ethiopians getting a corrupt government out of power to a romo's getting minorities out of their territory now quickly the language began to escalate. I'm particular land. i noticed. stay at alien route. You they are even until eventually between nineteen. The riots began on the twenty third of october two thousand and nineteen and lasted for several days. A mop took to the streets burnt cars and killed several people. They thought were their opponents. Eighty six people died across the country. What caused this horrific outbreak of violence. The facebook post by opposition leader jiwa muhammad one evening from his home in addison. Baba jaguar muhammad posted an unsupported claim internet thing that he would be killed by minorities in his post. He called on his supporters for help in response some of his followers called for war and well gerard denies that he was intentionally. Inciting violence hate flooded onto facebook contronting for the killing of all minority groups again. Berhanu tie content. Actually people like your neighbor is from a different ethnic group going. Kill them literally not what we were seat and then every wanna start to do things on their own hand everything that could go wrong when trunk minorities through talent market rotating gruesome violent minority communities being brutally targeted by the country's largest ethnic group. When they tried to cut my granddaughter arrived. I took out nine. Thank them have cut mine instead than they stop but they took her father instead Since then to government just has not been able to get back to any sort of at least five wishaw type police on monday at least fatal shooting of and so every couple weeks have been killed in. There's just another outbreak of this sort of violence. Chain chain and got is me. I'm sorry back god. He's what happened. and so back in nairobi in an air conditioned conference room with this supreme court of facebook training session was underway as burhan. Was sitting there staring down at this ipad with a photo on it. That says kill all men. She's like yeah. This has to come down. You know. I'm not an speech to even give space to having a currently content governance in what bachchan when it's about humor and burhan was alone in this. Many people felt that as an incitement of violence that could result in actual harm again. Facebook sprint harris and data something. That should not be on baseball and so around four pm to be honest with. She walked out of the session. Just like this does not address the issues that we're talking about today. Damn what do we do because it really is a we. What do we do if the very thing that people in new york in an ironic way say must stay up is the very thing that her walk out because it's just utterly privileged and completely ignorant of the real life consequences of hate speech. That's wow and keep in mind. These are just mock trials training sessions really like they ran into this as they were trying to answer how to answer these sorts of questions and now we will get to some of their actual rulings and this supreme court itself. Yes but i like. I think that the tension we're seeing here goes deeper than this one example. I mean at the core of facebook is this very american understanding of freedom of expression. And you hear this. Even in the way facebook executives just talk about the company and more people being able to share their experiences. That's only make progress together. You know how many times has mark zuckerberg said some version of this. Most progress in our lives actually comes from individuals having more of a voice but when you talk to people from from different parts of the world like there's universal agreement on this i would definitely tell you that i found myself. Oh my goodness. I was not as liberal. And told again professor indulge challa joke. Chris book came and overwhelm win. Information would have a awareness stabbed fact checking system. We didn't have journalism stations. We ethiopia have only imported facebook. We haven't imported the rest of the institutions in democratic foundations the economic security around which such untrammeled freedom of expression is beneficial. And so we can use eight civil. I saw that in freedom of expression and they can only help us liberate us and get us out of tidiane system. Now i have seen people get angry and they will take matters only home ahead. So it's about like A choice between Coexistence or being what people you want to say and as seen the violence that does because made. i think i would prefer coexistence. He's been in so the approach. Facebook is taking to try and reconcile these global differences. Is this supreme court after those global workshops they took all that feedback and created this this independent structure. It's going to have a forty members. Currently has nineteen. The members represent every continent than antarctica. And they're from just a a wide array of backgrounds some are lawyers others are free speech scholars activists journalists Even a former prime minister of denmark and among the first decisions they're going to have to make is whether or not former president trump will be banned from the platform indefinitely Facebook has currently banned him but it will be up to the board to to rule on whether that bans should remain or be lifted. And i mean this decision won't just impact trump i. It could very well have implications for how facebook will deal with political figures. Not just in the united states but in places like ethiopia. Hello hello. I'm mina very nice to meet you virtually here. I'm good. how are you sir. All right and well making the right decisions for for the entire planet seems in many ways. Impossible when i sat down and talked to several members of this court of this board i have to say they did make me a little bit hopeful. Thanks so much for being willing to do this. I hope we can have a little bit of fun here today. Hope so yes. I think we should make much controversy as possible. Oh wow okay well. This is my nikki. He's a member of the board former special rapid tour to the united nations and he's basically spent his entire life fighting for human rights. I haven't i haven't used facebook or twitter myself really. I'm also i try to keep my private life private. Why the hell were you chosen to be on the oversight board of product that you don't even use why. Yeah because all kinds of people being chosen for it. I mean that's the beauty of it doesn't all kinds of people on the board all kinds and that he sees the solution here in the incremental progress we've made in the past. Look i see. I see this work as human rights work but i've gone through my life two different things around hate speech using radio in first one ronda banning kenyans well so let that the tools and the problems is basically the same. The differences that media mainstream media before social media has been regulated over tight decades on years at then informed guided. How information is put out. He said just look at the five second delay. That live television runs on now. I'm sure when it started the live. Television live radio. It was it was on on the go. So i think that's the questions we have to deal with but facebook but i think i think men have. I have confidence that days enough experienced in the world. That's dealt with these phenomenons and this feeling resonates with most of the people. I spoke to at facebook. I mean i spent about fifteen years working on climate. Before i came to facebook. And i think the issues here are deeply analogous again. Brent harris they are human generated. There are major regulatory actions that are needed. There's a serious responsibility by industry. Step up and think about the responsibility that they hold and The solutions that will come forward as we start to figure out how to address. These types of challenges will inherently be incremental. And at times. I worry we will kill off incremental. Good progress that start to address these issues because they don't solve everything you know. Is the paris agreement enough. No is it a lot better than what we had before. Yes is the montreal protocol enough. No is it a substantial step forward against this challenge. yes and building. This board is only one step in a wide array of many other steps that need to be taken on. It sounds to me the way you're saying is this is the first piece in this global governance body. Facebook is imagining. Well if it really works and people end up believing in it thinking it's a step forward than further steps can be taken issues criticized specific people who are on it. I mean when. Kate clinic who who turned us on this story to begin with when she interviewed mark zuckerberg he said. As much oversight board is the enemy is one institution Hypnotist pardon he eventual community government data governance that. I think we will end up having ten years our our long. It takes that all this out just at kinda good concrete. We can go. And what they're thinking of. In terms of next steps one would be something like regional circuits or a level of adjudication. That are more regional or more localized that sits below this board As a means of taking these. You mean like Seven continental courts or fifty two sub-regional course that feed up to the one supreme court that's right and so what we're watching. Spring up here is not just a solution to what is truly one of the problems of our of our moment but also this holy new way to organize ourselves and sort of adjudicate our behavior look look what we're trying to do an experiment. I cannot tell you. Lack break. But i can tell you. We'll try to make wack as much as possible. We make mistakes. I am absolutely. I have got no doubt in my mind that being that humans we are not yet evolves to into saints and angels. We will make mistakes. That's part of the process. Oversight board started officially hearing cases in october They've already ruled on. Matters ranging from whether nude photos advocating breast cancer awareness should stand to whether post about churches in azerbaijan constitutes hate speech. The board will render their decision on president trump in the next few months that story was produced reported by simon adler with original music by simon and our episode is a collaboration between the new yorker radio lab head over to radio lab dot. Org for more or look for it in your podcast. App I'm simon adler from radio lab this past year. Facebook selected twenty people to judge what the world can and can't post on. its site. Screws has been called facebook's supreme court so this week who collaboration with the new yorker magazine and the new yorker radio hour we ask who are these people. How were they chosen. And how can anyone really make these kinds of decisions. Listen to radio lab wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Petty Teddy - Season 3, Episode 64

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Petty Teddy - Season 3, Episode 64

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This is the first and Jen's with your host Jasmine sadry and Amy Voss there tends get it. Welcome to the first intense podcast, I'm Jasmine. I'm Amy. Thank you for checking us out today as we always say please go like And subscribe. We would love for you to review us a woodchuck song is actually a me. Oh, I haven't. I know I just forgot as I said actually usually I get a notification if there's a new one, but I haven't gotten one of those lately well reviewers Sheriff. That's not it that's us review us and share us, please you can find us on every streaming platform. However, you consume your podcast. We promised we are there first intense podcast.com all words are words all words. All right on today's episode Teddy Bridgewater is basically being a petty bitch and we are here for it. We are totally here for Teddy Bridgewater is making the Ami Jabo and move on Instagram. We do have a new rating we do we do. Is it one of our parents? 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All right, let's get started with what's on today's episode. What's leading our NFL news? Teddy Bridgewater acting like a little petty bitch and we're here for it. I I do not blame him at all for this be the poor guy was the backup for Drew Brees for how many years it his dues. He's a great athlete. He's a great quarterback went to the Carolina Panthers didn't do too much which I still by the way, cuz I'm like, oh tiny Bridgewater. I know he's not but then they got a new, you know, they they have a new coach now and they're kind of like rebuilding their team. And now the Panthers is we talked about in the last episode or two that they are want to trade for Deshaun Watson and they've offered up three first-round draft picks and Christian McCaffrey. Who if I was Christian McCaffrey would be like fuck off. He's a better player. He's the better player all day every day. You wouldn't do that. That's just you can go back and listen to that whole Spiel. Yeah. So Teddy being the petty quarterback that he is and we're here for it Petty Chetty Undead. Followed the Carolina Panthers on social media, which I love I love that's reasonably. It is such a big move. So they released four players this whole past week so that they could clear some salary-cap space the release of Pro Bowl defensive tackle kawann short on Wednesday defensive end Stephen Weatherly safety trade Boston and planner Michael palardy and improve the team's cap space to twenty eight point four million heading into the start of the free agency. So clearly they're trying to get themselves a stellar quarterback and they don't think Brit Teddy Bridgewater is off or the one so he's like, I'm just going to unfollow you real talk you real talk anymore exactly real talking me and I'll fully admit to this. Have you ever been so petty that you've gone back and D liked something. Oh hell. Yes. Absolutely meet you or deleted your comment deleted my comment unlike something unfollowed someone for being a dick Yas. For sure. Yeah, and if people like what I really and this is I don't want to get into like a whole social media do's and don'ts but when people put their entire lives on Facebook or Instagram Ki batac drives me fucking crazy. Yeah, when it's too much like when you're like talking about problems with your family or you know, every single day you're posting pictures of your kid. I mean good God on a second the whole Spiel that's this long. We're not going to say her name. But yeah, okay right place. You know, I'm talking about. Yeah. I mean, we really generationally we're going generationally have problems with their moms their dads, but don't put that shit don't it's uncomfortable and please don't make me keep scrolling cuz I'm already out on your you know, why your family fucking hates you cuz this thing is like a six hate Guang. Oh my God, I was rooting for team you and now I'm on your family size. Yeah off. And I you know what? I also hate. I really hate it when I find out major family news of immediate family members on fucking social media that shit just drives me through the fucking roof, you know what to do if it was funny sick or pregnant or buying a house or something major is happening in your life. And you're in immediate family member of mine and I have to fucking read about on social media. I will rip you a new asshole or a close friend because yes or a close friend like if you've posted on social that you were having a baby and didn't tell me first, I fucking kick your ass. Oh, trust me we've gone down. So Joey and I Loosely having this conversation of like the hypothetical one day, you know, if we, you know getting a or whatever kind of thing everybody talks about this, right and in my mind the first thing that came to mind I was like, oh, I've got to tell Amy first I can't tell any Amy will literally kill me if I tell her I not speak to you for a job. Oh, I know you would announce something like that. Oh, I know. That's why I told him I said if that were to happen do not post anything until that phone call to Amy is made so he knows now. He's like, okay, we'll just have to wait till they call Amy first just it's horrible. It's annoying. Yeah, somebody dies in your family. Like if like God forbid one of your parents died and then you post it on social without telling me like close family was friends first, right? I just I think that's so disrespectful and I just it's disrespectful with that. Yes, and I questioned the motive of why you're posting if you don't go through look I get this is how we are just so that you can get your props for your sympathy or whatever you need from your people, which you get that people need that and I want people to have that but give the people in your life that maybe the other side of that that's no because then it's then you're just lumped in with everybody else. Right? It's like so angry because that she's ranked not even that not sure. And this is I'm feeling back. It's now it's about you. It's those people this is about me. How did you pull a me? Maybe that's my Spiel. That's my shitt. I had to turn the tables eventually. Yeah. No, but I agree like if you did something major major, like if I don't like sold my house and then moved to New York and didn't tell you first and post on social that hey we're moving to New York, you know Bruce got a job in the city blah blah blah. Like if you saw that on social media before hearing it from me, you'd be fucking bitch Yes. Actually I asked you if the door code Works cuz that's a great pool. So yeah, I'd be limited first of all cuz you've ruined my summer plans. Thanks Amy. I literally live at your pool. So now what am I going to fucking do anyway, so Teddy Bridgewater new neighbors? Yes, I think Bridgewater. I loved it. We both at the same time son, Teddy Bridgewater know I love that. We were both like starts with the cake. Yes. I can't be the only people having this conversation. Hey, no. Hey know if it's so funny cuz my stepdaughter should texted me. She's like I have to like mute her. I guess I can't of the drama always feel about your life. I just have free necessary. It's not totally like I don't know if belittle is the right word. It's cheaper than it she's made you look your life and and you as a person all of our families suck. Yes, everybody's got shit in their lives and in their family, but I just think that if you're posting that show on social media all the time, it's just not nobody. Nobody cares. It's not healthy and you now make people go. Oh, yeah, you're know it's kind of gross know. It's fully gross. Like I that's the one thing and the other thing I can't stand and then we'll move on with the people who bait like they'll just put the maybe tomorrow will be better... Fucking hate that you fuck off. I cannot stand that or just some like one sentence and no context. You have no idea if like somebody died or they got hurt or they're sick or they lost their job or what no idea thinking on nothing's one sentence from somebody and no clarification. And so now you're like really high. Oh Amy, we've moved on you don't even get that anymore. Somebody on my time line posted. All they posted was a broken heart emoji. That's it. See, what does that mean? You know, sir. Mike know does that mean I'm not okay with that right? Does that mean that your family member died that Dak Prescott went to another team that The Young and the Restless isn't coming back getting divorced that your pipes are frozen like what like you don't have power like what are we talking about? Are you heartbroken and her broken and now I'm glad you are because you are a bitch for doing that. That is not okay. I cannot I cannot log. Any of that none of it me batty. It's awful. We should write Pro tips on what not to do on social media listen to us because we can't even promote our podcast. So all right on social media, right but she is the thing like all of those things are not acceptable to me. But Teddy Bridgewater unfollowing the Carolina Panthers is totally acceptable to me because you if you follow the Panthers and the the rumors and Teddy you would understand why right and that that gesture is so subtle that so fantastic right? It's a total loss of finger on social medias absolutely what you're doing and that's an acceptable settle comment or non comment or Emoji or it's a subtle enough to make a loud noise for everybody. Yeah, because think about how you feel when your unfollowed you're like the fuck. Why do they follow me? And then, you know that damage it does because recently I unfollowed somebody and it wasn't dead. Minutes later I get a text message. Hey, I see that you're not following me anymore. Bitch, you know, I exist. Oh because your follower count went down you don't give two shits about what's going on in my life. Get the fuck on Thursday. Exactly. I know anyway. All right, here's some good Social Media stuff is something that went viral Dak Prescott. Okay, one more does this man have to fucking news his City for his City's football team to say, let's put a ring on it. You're our Jude. So Jack Prescott and Matthew McConaughey paid for homeless people to they basically felt homeless people during this entire Texas shitstorm ice storm that happened here 1000 meals to one of the local homeless shelter slash organizations that are feeding folks and keeping them warm. This is actually like a warming Center slash place for people to come and be fed. Yes, Jack Prescott and Matthew McConaughey joined forces and did this now I get it off. Granted I'm not going to be the asshole. It's like oh, well, if it's not public that means people don't donate not true at all. Who knows who else donated from that organization, but you think it would have leaked somehow right? I'm not going to assume nobody donated but it just doesn't look good publicly when there's other organizations locally on the sports side that are donating. Anyway, my point with that is what the fuck more does Dak Prescott home to do. I'm starting to get really fucking mad. I'm about to go up to the star or Preston Hollow or Highland Park or University Park or actual Cowboys stadium and beat it or down because your girl is fucking pissed at this point. Well, here's what sucks for you Jazz. The one thing have you seen my life since 2020. There's a guy there's a running list. There's a sticker of everything that's wrong with my life. That's at the bottom of the screen. Yeah. That is there's no debating whether or not deck is a nice guy. Clearly. We know that clearly we know he's as a fantastic human being home. A leader, but thank you. Amy. We're moving on does not does not mean that he's worth what ever he is trying to Garner from the Cowboys. They're not willing to pay him come at next in offsides. You can be a super nice guy, but it doesn't mean you're worth 4 million dollars a year. I'm unfollowing now on page on Instagram because of that comment. Anyway, we're going to move on to offsides cuz you going to disagree. Oh no. No, I think he is worth at this point. Oh, yes, she's going to sorry. I thought you are disagree. I'm sorry. I thought you meant agree my brains not working. Yes. I'm going to disagree him forty million because he's a nice guy. Yeah, that's what sports is all about. Nice guys. Finish last Jasmine. Well, this this nice guy 8 and I am I am at my wit's fucking end. I cannot stand this anymore. I can't just do it the entire School. She wants it. Okay, and I'm speaking for I surveyed literally everybody. I went door-to-door and everybody says they agree Tire DFW consider all of it. I had to take a long well tell me about it. Especially during the ice storm. Yes. It was hard to get out on those roads, but I did it very cautiously. I was wearing a mask. Don't worry. I stayed, you know, six feet apart from people was out. So I did this I did this survey very responsibly. So the CDC and whatever entity can't come after me, but I'm telling you I went door-to-door from every corner of the Metroplex all five thousand people who live here and each one of them said yes Jasmine, we want him signed. So see you at my door. I knew there was one door. I should even go bother knocking at so you were the one person in the entire area that I didn't serve a month. So 4999999.9 people said, yes, we want him. So the numbers don't lie guys call them saying but have to dispute those wage. Birds but okay anyway coming up next in offsides. We found such a gem of a man. Any woman would be lucky to call this man fiance and then husband and we'll explain next week podcast is sponsored by usual wines. I don't know if y'all know this but Amy and I are modern Drinkers. And what's a martini Drinker? Yeah, a true clean Wine Drinker and usual wines are wines for the modern Drinker each bottle of usual 6.3 ounces, which is a heavy poor or about a glass and a half of wine. 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Yeah, that was bugging your knee member. Have I ever told you this? No think I thought this was this was before you and I became best friends. So this is o h you had moved to Dallas yet. So 8:09 I was dating this guy named Andrew wage just I don't there's dumb and then there's dumber than whatever this was. He was just dumb but he had ABS he was great to look at I wasn't looking to get married, right? So, yep. Anyway, he totally ghost me the weekend before Valentine's know so Valentine's Day was on a weekend. He ghosted me Saturday was Valentine's Day. He started ghosting me on Thursday and I saw him checking in all over Facebook that I'm like, what the fuck? Hello. You just felt face the Earth and he was also kind of skeezy and so he thought he was really skeezy and he stayed with me like one of the days that week. Well then next week I get this really weird kitschy like rash bump on my knee. I'm like cut this look up. It's like a weird spider bite. It's weird walk away. So go to the dermatologist and they come back with the results and she shows me this x-ray slide. She's like you see that she Zooms in and it's a little bugs around that's fucking great swimmer. I still have the scars. It's on my knee and it's like rose swimming around. I've got my leg hyped up. You can't really see on the zoom but I can show you the next time we see each other and so they had to cut it out. Yeah, that was from a guy I met on OkCupid, so there's no Signing endorsement there anyway, so it'd be renamed to okay bed bug. Yeah, or okay stupid. So this guy basically found these women on OkCupid. Elias Joe Brown the most generic Alias you could possibly use with one girlfriend and Marcus Brown with the other girlfriend number one who lives in Orange City who have dated him since 2015 told effective. Well, I learned through some Facebook sleuthing that he's actually convicted felon and that he might be engaged to a second woman worse off. She saw on the second woman's Facebook page Amy page that she was the woman was wearing an engagement ring and wedding band identical to her own from a previous marriage. She went and checked her jewelry box down her rings and other items missing about 6,200 not showing property had been stolen from her in all the girlfriend began contacting. This guy's fiance who lives in Orlando. Okay. So now we know it's not I don't know where Orange City is though. We know Orlando's not pass. Who had begun dating him a 2016 so soon both women were commiserating and joining forces and turning on him and Reporting him to the authorities. So the two women learned that each had not only been lied to but also stolen from the second girlfriend reported will my laptop and jewelry went missing after he moved out of my apartment. She also recalled this guy once taking her to the first girlfriend's house in Orange study while the first girlfriend was away at work at the time the dude claims to the second girlfriend while this house is mine and I asked her to move in there with me while the second girlfriend packed up her own apartment was ready to move in but then he was like, oh the deal fell through sorry on the house. Yeah. So basically this guy elaborate little to double life situation that he's living Joe mom is brown. Whoever the hell you are. Dude. How in the hell did you think this was going to end well sounds exhausting it's exhausting. Could you imagine if you fully like if Bruce was living a totally double life and you're like wait a month. Actually, you never take your ring off. So that'd be obvious. This is I mean, it's kind of goes back to our argument about social media. If you're constantly posting should about your life on social media and you you find yourself caught up in a lie with a girlfriend or a husband or a wife or whatever. You know, your social media posts are going to get you in trouble all the more reason to stay the fuck off social media about the same amount of your life and the check-ins and this and that. Oh my God, I'm going to check in at Kroger today just to piss you off a me what it gives a fuck that you're at Kroger. Actually everyone else needing to be like we're she has been checking in now, please let it be the Exxon, please let it be the Exxon. I mean, I used to like it when you checked in places so I could make sure that you got there safely if you weren't sober. Yeah. Remember that was a 2017 Amy would just be like, oh good. She checked in we're good. Yeah, so we're good. I know you're safe. Even though I don't know we've got cell phones and I could send a tech job. It went hey made it. Yeah, but he always do that. No, I didn't and there's a reason so here's where I used to really check in. I would do it to fuck with an ex-boyfriend who was just a bastard home. So I would fake check into like the Ritz-Carlton car like all of these and he would he would yes and he'd be like what the fuck and I'm like, yeah, I don't and it was passive aggressive. I wouldn't say who I was with what I was alluding to it being with this mysterious man who was sweeping me off my feet taking me a heart emoji up there. I sure plucking fucking did and I'd be like hard with like a martini glass at the Ritz-Carlton bar. Just to be a me. I'm telling you. Yeah, I get it. I am telling you I totally I'm all for it if you're fucking with people, but if you're doing it and it's you know a situation where you just have to display your entire life and everything about it on social eventually. It's going to come out to bite you in the ass or be unfollowed social media is a game. Your therapy. It's not your therapy. And what it's going to do is absolutely make the entire social media audience side with the person that you hate. Okay, cuz they're going to get it there. Just may I have to scroll? Yeah paragraph after paragraph like shit get to the fucking point. I hate you now. I want to kick my ass for having read into this paragraph, but now I'm invested and I can't stop now. I'm just now I just I'm glad I'm glad that you read this whole Florida Man story because originally when you put em on the run sheet for Today Show, it said Florida man stole one girlfriend's ring to propose to the other and I was like, well if he gave the first girlfriend the ring and she said no log-in technically, it's his nope. He said now it was from a previous marriage. It was her ring from a previous marriage. Yep. Wow. Yeah, but listen home Got proposed to though and you can't be picky. Okay, that's true. At least some people go their whole lives without ever being proposed Silver Lining. She are there for brownies to for various horrible things. Like may I propose we go to dinner and to me that's that's not a real proposal know or like my proposal where I ended up. He threw the ring at me. So romantic. Yeah, I tell you about that's my first boyfriend. We were like twenty-three we had no business and he's like and then here like throws the ring at me and I was like, well, this is not romantic. Well, then it was not lovey when I found out that my college best friend at the time. He'd been like fucking for two years straight. So that was not the sweetest proposing. Yeah, and I found out on my 23rd birthday. So that was awesome. Lovely. Yes member this story. You're at a party. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah so out there ladies. Oh boy, and I have mind every gem Me tell you I have I mean, my little panhandling plate has been full of those jokes will just say that okay, we wrap this up off of the first intense is officially over. 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Mack Brown Round

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Mack Brown Round

"The. Now on the t. it's Mattie in the caddy, here's Matt berry and Michael college. Box this function alongside the caddy. I end the Mattie and this is fatty mcadoo the podcast. We appreciate these subscription download, listen and rates. It is up to media at Mattie and caddy MIT y the word and CAD I e that is both the Instagram that is the Twitter. Today's guest, we wanted to keep it in terms of the time of year that we are in in the heart of college football where I am to that, we'll we'll get into that minute. We'll get to that in a minute. Mack Brown, former Texas football coach is our guest today, and you would not believe some of the stories that he has about what it's like being the head coach at the most powerful brand. One of if not the most powerful man in college football and the requirement of what it takes to be that coach along with being a golfer, forget that this story of his mom. Yeah, and the golfer to seize like, I don't like him. Oh yeah. And then what happens after she meets him? It is a fantastic. Conversation that coming up, we're going to get to where the catty is doing this podcast today speaking at this function, plus we will talk about the number one ranked player in the world. Can that be sustained? But without further ado, Tida welcome in one of our teammates here at ESPN and one of the great college football coaches of all time. Mack Brown joining us. Now, coach, we appreciate you making time. And when I go back to our days at Texas, and I'm curious, is knowing how to play golf requirement to be the head coach at Texas. Not knowing how to play golf, but participating in there were some days math that well, here's, here's what the alums finally told me. They wanted out of their head football coach. When you're playing golf with an alum, they want you to be competitive. They want you to want to win. They want you to be athletic, so you gotta get swing. Won't you to hit a few shots, but they don't want you to play well enough to think that you're practicing or care. And it would take. So that's what the head coach is requirement is when it comes to Gough you start getting. In fact, when I got here, John Malkovich was a great golfer and. David make Williams one of the x. hit coaches here, so I'm not very good, and he said, good. Mcelwain was real good. You see much of that pill. So that was the pressure of the gothic thing. A head coach. So I gotta know though. Where did it all start for you? When did you when did you start playing golf and who introduce you to the game? Was. Promised ball town and Tennessee cookeville Tennessee. We only had three sports in high school. We didn't have golf, I didn't have money, so we, we'd really didn't belong to the country club. So I didn't get to play them high school. I remember when I got to college that there were a couple of times I tried to play once I can remember hitting a shot a member nine at this really small public course, and it went over the green and went through the windows and the GOP shop because I didn't know have far you could hit one or or how to hit it so that didn't go well. And the guys came out and said, what was that good shot? I mean, I just got it. All didn't go very well. But I didn't start playing until I was the head coach at Appalachian state two lane. And because as a head football coach, you need to play golf. It's four and a half hours with with boosters and friends, and and you're, you've got someone walked in that Goth cart. So you're just in a position where you you've, you can get a lot of business done and people don't care how you play. You just you just love the place. So I really started more when I became the head coach at Tulane in new. Orleans and and the mid eighties, and I never had a lesson. I just got thrown out there. So I would say today, anybody who's gonna start playing off, it'll get some fundamental. And now in the last four and a half years ago, since I've quit coaching, I play golf every day that I'm not working and that the weather's decent enough for me to get out there. So I play a lot of golf now. The thing that's amazing to me is you got into the sport the same way that I got into the sport where someone else told you had to do it for business, and I wanna know your reaction when they told you this in. If you're going to coach here, you got to play off. So grab some golf clubs. What was your disarray reaction when they told you? If you're going to be head football coach, you got to be a golfer. My first reaction was I'm good athlete. That's no big deal. That's fine. I can do that. And then I didn't realize how hard to game. Still be me up so it. It's amazing to me that I've been playing for so many years now, and I had my first hole in one this summer and booger McFarland asp eight. Last year we're working on the ABC set. You ever had a hole in one, and I said, yeah, I hit a ball in the water on a par three. But then the next shot I hit it in and he said, that's a call the par. Call three. That's not called a one. So this year I actually had my first hole one and and it it's and I was playing last week up in the mountains of North Carolina and actually hit the ball, Michael that hit in the whole number nine and it dug out a little part of the right side of the whole bounce stuff and hit the flag off the green. So it's just such a hard game and it I've got so many wonderful friends that are offers, and I really help recruit the Jordan speeds. Here at Texas goes all the Goth kids here. We're really close to our football program. So I watch golf channel all the time. I watch every Dopp turnament Jim pyrrhic actually invited us to come over and speak to the Ryder Cup team, and I just had to work and couldn't go this year. Jim comes to a charity. We have here, so it's just it's it's my passion. It's my hobby in and it's something that I I would do every day if I had a chance to and and it's it's with friends. It's was beautiful places. It's with business partners. It's funny. I've been able to enjoy it so much more now since I quit coaching 'cause I'm better. I get the to play more often, but I'm not as tired when you're on the phone and you're worn out on the golf. Course and and the the guys asking you, why are you playing quarterback and you're back swing. It's easy to put it was gonna ask you that coach because in the middle of your rhonette Texas, you guys were at top five team year in and year out in Texas. Football is a brand. So give me the goods of of the people that you were playing with in the midst of your Texas run? Well, we, we were always played in the Byron Nelson with with a friend of ours booster name, build. If all its part owner and Lincoln properties, a huge felt my company and the first time we played up there, we, we played with Bill Nicholson and failed. His become a dear friend and fail is so good. He, he, he finds out he's playing with us. He has bones as catty at that time. Go get him a burn our shirt to play with. So you can tell. I mean, he he's all into it and then everybody's laughed about Phil's gambling. All that fill knew more about our pro players in the NFL than I did. Yeah, it was pretty good too deep on our team, but he knew he knew who would play how we play, how come out. And and and now feel has become a dear friend and and we've played quite a few times and go to Kabul together. We were, we're actually and Goth leads to all of this. We we played in the holiday bowl and it was two, two thousand three, I think. And we'd had a tough year. We were nine and three and Bill. It had a tough year and I didn't really know him. But we, we played two thousand one in the Byron Nelson where San Diego, and he said, let's go to dinner. So we go to dinner and the ever-positive Phil Mickelson says, hey. I'm gonna win at Augusta next year. I'm tired of being second third, and you're gonna win the national championship. When we do that. Let's get twenty five of our best friends and go to Kabul for a week. Well, I kinda rolled my eyes look that we're getting ready to play Washington state move the holiday bowl. So it wasn't like we were planning on being picked to win the national championship the next year. So we lose to Washington state, but we go back and I'm sitting at my my house. I'm watching him on eighteen. He's got that long putt to to win at Augusta. So he wins calls me right afterward and said, okay, big boy. I mean, what about you that here? When we go to the Rose Bowl, we play Michigan, we win. Third, he's at the game. He's in the restroom. After game, says thirds. Not good enough. We said, I win at Augusta. You win the national championship or no cover. I said, I got. So he said, let's do it again. So the next year he wins it against it just so happens that year we win the national championship. So he's in the dressing room after the US national championship game as as we got a problem. I said, what problem we have that we just won the national championship and and you wanted a guest. And he said, our problem is we got a lot more twenty five friends that wanna go to cups. So we went a couple of couples with with with with Bill way to Pat an absolute blast. But we played with Sergio Garcia when he was nineteen years old and in the pro-am and it's just gone. Just gonna a joy for me and continues to be, I got. You me almost speechless here. Thinking about Phil, Mickelson going, listen. I'm gonna win Augusta, and I want you to win the national championship, and then we're going to Kabo the the part that I feel like is the realist when you rolled your eyes away. Yeah. All right. Okay. And he and he was all in and he was right, and I'm thinking, what is this guy about? Oh my God. I just saw him play just stunk and and we just got beat by Washington state. Hip looking them. Yeah, our they come on. Now let's go fill your positive, but this is a stretch, but what are you? What is coach Mack Brown head coach to the most powerful brand in college football and a guy like Phil Mickelson. What possibly could you guys this conversations be about? It's about everything. It's it's a love talking, the failed. He's so smart and he so engaging. So he comes, he comes down to play in the del match, play every year in Austin, and. We go to lunch with it, or I go to dinner. It's red after we'll, we'll walk with him and watching play them and he'll sit outside. Tell tell me about what you think. President Trump. Comey about what you think about this fight between the Democrats and Republicans. What about this? This young offer. Tell me about speed. I love George. Is he gonna have a run like you. Do you think Tigers ever gonna get back. We have these wonderful conversations and he's got such great opinions that I love talking to just to see where he's going with it and to to see what it's about, and that is they most positive human being in the world. And I tell you another, stir we're playing with two of my friends out at Rancho Santa Fe at his got clip, I'm playing with him. He he doesn't play a lot of these public matches for just out playing golf with guy. So I'm, I'm at Texas. We're right in the middle of that run. I'm worn out, but a couple of big boosters at places in San Diego. So I go out to play with him. I said, well, let's get filled to play, and they said, yeah, sure, filled place. I, I call feel place. Sure. What time. Come on, come on up, so we go up, we meet him and we're playing and we're on eighty. And I've got a little downhill putt and fills kinda catty, and I said, helped me with big boy coke. If I make the pup we win. If we, if we make it into tough. So you layup or do you go for it? So he said, the firms be firm? Well, I knocked it so far past the. He said, I didn't say take a poll purred said before. So then we lose because I missed the putt coming back up the hill. So we're walking off and then fills way he put his arm around me and he said, I want you to know your special. What is this about? He said, I have never lost a batch against guys that are not professional before, so you're the only got it ever helped me lose. Thank you. Made it into the Phil record book, and I want to know people always talk about Phil being really smart, but you were saying when you first started hanging out with him, he's not only telling you the place that you're running, but he's able to go to in three deep on your football team and smart. Yeah. But at first when he starts doing that, you think into yourself? Oh, come on man. This guy's full of it. Like somebody probably gave him a little a little education on our team. But at what point do you realize hold on this guy really understands football because he does. He does and and he loves it and he, there was this somebody gave in the shoe bottle of wine. That's very expensive that he when he wanted to Gus and said, put your name in the left hand corner. And everytime anytime someone does something significant, give. To them and let them front it. So I gave it to me and after the national championship, I signed the right hand corner. And then he and I decide who's next and and then we were gonna have Payton sign because he won the Super Bowl, then we're gonna have Tom Brady, and then we're going to go play probably at Augusta or somewhere like that, and then we'll, we'll drink the bottle one. So he's got so many unique things than ideas and and he loves his friends and and I would say on this podcast today, the film Mickelson that everybody sees every day is, is my my mother here. Here's a great example. My mother said, I don't like she was an avid gone. And I said, mom, why don't you? Why till? And you don't even know. I might spark. He just he, he's always got that little smiley. He always thinks he just so smart. So that day the first day we played with Phil at the Byron Nelson, throw him. Mom was there. She was with me and we didn't know it was going to play it. It's a draw the night before, so feel comes up. The first thing he does is walks over the mother. He hugs her neck and says, who is this duty here? And she said, I'm Katherine Brown, and he said, Catherine, Brown, you are so beautiful. Is MAC your son? Yeah, I know you're so proud of him, and, oh my gosh, from that point for mother adopted, Phil. He would. He would walk down the fairway at Augusta. She went to every masters after that. He's walked down the fairway and I did you see? No, but he winked at me. I, I know if he winked that no question. So Phil just has a, he just has a certain part of his personality that just draws people in and and I just love being around him and having fun with it. The great state of Texas isn't a Tory is for high powered politicians, namely presidents of the United States. Have you ever teed it up with one of the president's to come out of Texas? I have a played last sprint with President, Bush young, Chris, and I had so much fun. Oh my gosh. And he was the governor when I first got the tech list. So that way, not at such a wonderful life of of being able to share with so many people like this and President Bush is they who play off with plays really fast. Fast. He got sick, secret service guys, watching your swing, and you can't yell. Eddy Merckx get mad at him or you could get shot or at least arrested. So that's that's a little bit different as you go to. So we're playing at Preston trail President Bush. Yeah, a little sore back nine out some of this lotion that's really helped my I got a sore hip. It's helped me put some, put it on. He plays nine holes and does. Okay. And that's the president or how you doing, are you okay? And they said you ask still takes more touch more, put it on him. He does. We get through eighteen and I said, Mr. President enjoyed it. Listen, I know you can get anything you want, but if you wanna keep this lotion, he said, coach, I don't wanna keep that lotion. I don't think any good at all. Just been nice putting it on the back. And I made way we're playing with friends and he picks on you every swing. Oh, yeah. No, no. Hey, big, win. Their coach got got big wind in your face where you got six. Oh, oh my gosh. You're gonna have left to hard to get there. I mean, that's President Bush's. So competitive. He never ever is quite what's what's what's ws game, like, I mean, is can. Can he bring it. It can bring it. He's he's probably thirteen. Okay. But he's he, he's so competitive on every shot. And that's where he, he makes it to not. Do you talk smack back to the president? Like if he ectomy I couldn't help it. I would be like, oh, it's like that now. Well, when you got six armed guards behind. Done. You're a little bit more cautious with your your trash talking. When you guys want said at the, he made a big quite and I ran over the chest bumping, they made a long putt or something. He was my partner and I ran over to chest pumping. One of the guys that coach go easy. Don't move to when you run into the president. So I, I got it so so they're there what the secret services watching EV, even though your Mack Brown, we, they know who you are. He knows you. They're watching you this way. They're they're in golf carts about fifteen yards behind us, and they're just making sure that the president is the course shut down to the public. How does it I'm more curious about this and anything now. So private club, the Preston hollow area is other people out. There houses go, no, he plays with people out there. You just have security all around and he's, he's eating lunch. He's laughing. His, it's funny is got like, fill is got one of the best personalities of ever saying. And sometimes it's it's, it's like when I was coaching I go to, yes, PF is our bosses that, oh my gosh, you've really got opinions as a coach. We thought you had coach. Speak. You didn't know anything else about that. That's what you do. I mean, you don't, you're, you're talking to recruits mob. You're talking the dad, you're talking to the minister your dog hospital coach here you're talking to your legal counsel. I mean, he got ninety seven people you're talking to. When you answer every question that was President Bush, he the the, the, what we saw in the public with President Bush at a press prom is not at all. It is so much fun cut up a laughs. He picked that you, he is. He is just such a joy to be around. And fact we were eating at a restaurant in Dallas. The the night we play, we're sitting in the corner and where with friends and and it's a small restaurant there in Dallas and nobody could pay him from behind in a couple of Texas booster. So mean they came up said, what about the Vince young? What about this? What about that? And President Bush actually turn to my wife Sally and says he won't talk about Putin or any. Anything this, this liberty must be a real bear for MAC. But that's he just he's fun. I really enjoy being around the president. It sounds the experience of the things that you got to do from golf is ads. It's phenomenal. Would golf is done. I just I have to know this because of all the awesome things that you got to do being the coach of the university of Texas. What was the hardest thing? What was the hardest thing about being the coach of the university of Texas. I think the hardest thing is when you've got twenty seven million people that care about what happens with Texas, what ball every day. And you've got national media. You've got so many high school coaches that want you to take their player. And so many kids wanting to come and you only get twenty five. I think from one standpoint, it's it's the evaluation of the twenty five guys you take because three hundred seventy five or going to sign and you're gonna make three hundred fifty of them mad that are gonna play against you every year. And then the the. The actual public relations with that high school coach and that family because you are the head coach at the university of Texas. You've got to go back in that school every year. Oklahoma doesn't. Arizona state does. UCLA doesn't go to his school. I had to go to everyone of them every year. And the second thing was that. You had so many things going on at one time. Multitasking at that place is huge because you've got boosters pulling that. You've got Regis calling him willing to favor 'cause you're in the capital. So it's very political. And at the same time you, you've got to win all the games and and when you're sitting there the you, we won him for ten, ten plus pretend straight years or something. The expectation gets so half for you personally much less for your fan base and then you you, you excite this fan base so much that it becomes about winning and their identity again. And and then when you don't do to win, then they're crushed. It's an awful year. It's it's it's where where we can't, we don't have the same bragging rights and like Ohio State right now, like. Clemson right now, Dow Obama right now you become the hunted. So every time you play, you're getting the other teams best shot. So people say, well, you, you've got an easy schedule. You should run the when the rest of them. Well, when you're Texas and winning going to still waters tough, going to Kansas state stuff going to Lubbock is tough. Even if you've got the best team, you may not have the best team on that day because you're going to get everybody's best shot. And coach rose told me one time Michael, that you're going to play your team's gonna play at their ties demotion probably four times a year, and you're going to have to beat the other eight when you're not as good as your best. And that's what coaching comes in. And that's kind of what happened that Texas. Yeah, that look in the way that you had that thing going. You were perennial big, twelve threatened double digit threat. Every year coach. He's been so gracious with your time. I wanna get you out of here on this one because you've had so many experiences in the game of golf, complete. If you were to go out this afternoon and play around of Gulf, you make up one fourth of the foursome who fills your other three spots today? Oh gosh, it would be. It would be Phil Mickelson. It would be President Bush cause we've talked about both of those and. I think it would be Jordan's base guy. That'd be fun. My guys for the afternoon and it would be it would be more fun than golf. It's just I just love watching Jordan and Phil hit because Phil will he'll knock it out of bounce or out of the pair way. Sometimes you get behind the tree. So show me, hey, hooks it around three degrees. Purpose. Or or his flop shot. He's got me using sixty four degree and he's the only one that can hit a sixty four degrees in the world of I love it, and I've read up all the time, but I still use it 'cause I love it. The one time I hit it out of pip, good, and it it checks up right at the pin. I feel that's me my man pill. Coach, we appreciate your time. This is absolute pleasure to hear these stories from you, and we'll talk this week. We'll talk low college football this weekend. We've got to get that. I should've said Michael, Matt. I mean that that should have been my horse that that's. Line, we wouldn't have. We're fine being a second. We're cool after you play with them. That's like having a seventy two to blow out. And it's like four minutes left in the fourth quarter are Matt and might get in there now. All right. Got to be ready to play every day and you gotta play sixty minutes. Dale. Thanks. Thanks. I mean, candy. That was awesome. I could hear MAC, tell stories all day every forever. I've forgot one and it's my fault. I wanted to know if he ever called his mom out on the Phil Mickelson to go a Ma thought. He didn't like, Phil, what happened there? Yeah, see him. I gotta ask, you know, he didn't know. MAC is a man of great mantle character. He's yes, he's gentlemen. He's still says, mother, you know my coming up next. What does what does Tim Tibo had to do with today's podcast? Plus the number one ranked player in the world, sustainable or not that coming up next on Mattie into the caddy. Robot vacuum cleaner. So, yeah, I got one gig. I suck up dirt support. My inferiority complex about gyco who does so much more like not only could they save their customers money on car insurance, but they got fast and friendly claim service to and in ward winning mobile plus access to licensed agents, twenty four, seven, who am I kidding? I can't even do corners, choking hazard. Geico expect great savings and whole lot more. I welcome back to caddy. There are a couple of things when Michaels not on the road for Gulf. I'd like to call our weekly taping, Mattie and caddy roulette because apparently internet is not a thing in Gainesville and Collins has now a couple of times had internet issues on the day of recording. So today we get his home. I'm at home. How can something go wrong at home? Listen, hurricanes. Gone son was out temperatures dropped a little bit. It's actually like spring, this is the time in Florida, especially in Gainsville. We don't want tours the know about. We don't even want tours, the know that there's no humidity and it's a little windy sort of mosquitoes are of gone when it seventy two degrees and sunny outside and. What thirty minutes before we're about to go time. I'm set up ready to do this from the house. Internet done, cable done the whole thing done. You send like an all caps taxed with like emergency emergency. And I responded and like, look, this, this, this has to happen today. We got MAC Brown scheduled for the rest of the week. So I said before we came on air and I would like to now put this out, Mattie and caddy patrons. This is probably the most resourceful that you have ever been because not only did you did you take adversity and handle it. You then came up with a brilliant idea as to where you are now tape in the podcast, which is where ironically enough, we have Mack Brown on today's episode. So I'm at a football stadium. I am literally right now in the visiting press box box of the swamp and. Seriously less than I don't know. Forty feet behind me. Don't be surprised if Dan Mullins runs in and tells me to shut up as we're doing this because he's doing a press conference right behind me, and you know how to beg their game is this week. This is Florida Georgia week, so you best not getting away of anything? Yes. That's what I'm saying. I just we came up on the elevator. I got boys with me major Embraer Lynn major who suffered his first football injury earlier this week, and I gotta give shot. Yeah. Well, you say good. He broke his wrist on character. Well, so funny one, he's on the field makes an amazing interception off a deflection. It's like a, he had reflexes faster than what mine were. When I was young, I give him props on that. Trying to run it in for a touchdown gets as he gets tackled, puts his hand out breaks his wrist. I go down onto the field. He is using language that would make NFL players proud. Good. Yeah. And as he's using the language that trainers in some of the coaches looking at me, like, I'm gonna tell them stop. I learned from watching you dad. Okay, public service announcement, he use words that I never use. That's the. That was the thing that was a little maddening to. But then as the train is you take him to the emergency room. We might have to have surgery where I'm in separate car, his mom's into different car because we got their different times. He gets into car with me. And the first thing he says after letting loose with a couple of more happy words is, is mom gonna make me quit football. And I was, Nah, I don't think so because it's not a concussion. It's not any kind of backer. It's not a spine injury and it's not a concussion. So I don't think so. Don't worry about it. He goes good. And then again, this bleeping hurts. You know, this was a character building moment at the caddy house this week. It definitely was now because now he knows like, hey, I mean in fact that he even asked it right out of the gate. Yes, because that means he's, he wanted to keep playing. Yeah. Well, the other thing where the moment was is his younger brother who's nine was the waterboy and always from when he was little little, probably five or six. All he wanted to do was play tackle football. So now he sees big, brother, get hurt. And the first thing he says is that thing I'm gonna stick the flag football from now. That's what I said. Nah, man. Now, you know, you gotta get their helmet, his shoulder pads on and get out there. You can still do this. Okay. So Mack Brown would agree that's complete. Lately. Agree. All MAG Brown, Dan Mullen twos up in here, which funny because Dan son is in school with the nine year old as well. So they play flag football together. Oh, really? So which is nice. I mean, I and I love coach mollahs. He's a really, really good dude. If you love him so much drop the Astrum his last name, it's Dan Mullen. Mullen said Dan, Mullins as with the pasta, fierce good guy. Mullins good guy. Yeah, that's true. You to do that as wanna, make sure every walked in right now you're. Failed. I, I didn't need Molin to walk in on you right now with Yukon him Mullins and then hit the upside over the head with a Tibo statue. The statue still out front, you know him and that things going anywhere? Yes, three statues out in the front, the began. Let me let me guess who they are. Okay. I can get two of three easily Spurrier Spurrier and Tibo. Got it. So the third who's the third. Urban Meyer doing off. He won two titles. Let me put it this. Let me tell you something even if he had had. Past tense. If he had had steps you there, they would've melted it in the street. Okay, they hate him so much right now. I so it's not Arben. They love anytime he messes. Got us. Go bed. Okay, this is going and I haven't looked at anything. I'm just thinking Florida luminaries. What about Emmett Smith negative ghost rider, but good try. Okay. All right. Hang on. I better give it away bender. Don't give me hints. I've been to the swamp. I wasn't around this dad. I know this, you know been Tuscaloosa on how they do the data. They warn them with national championships or whatnot. But the one thing that Spurrier has in common with Tibo first and foremost national champion, but two Heisman Trophy winners. So Mike gas hot, it's going to be ending. I was just gonna say, that's Emmett. Smith does not have the one thing that both Spurrier and t- will have as does Danny were full, who's got national championships as well, Florida's state and one of their Lum. That's even turned me on Brooks KEPCO. State, he gets. Can't just pause rewind it again. Right themselves. That's segue. Got the weight of the j. Govett nine bridges propelling him to the number one world number one, and I wanna ask you this with regard to Brooks, is he the type of player because we haven't seen it since Tiger Woods run of dominance. And I'm not saying don't say that I'm not saying that you can. I know where you're going to see the kind of guy that can now grab this number one and hold it. Yes, I do believe so, barring injury, that's the one thing in golf. You always have to say his barring injury, because if you remember at one point, he was the hottest golfer until he got hurt going into the masters a few years. After he won the US open the first time. And it was an injury that kind of bumped him out for a little bit. So. I think Dustin Johnson had the world one ranking for what sixty four weeks before he lost it to Justin Thomas for a couple of weeks and then got back and Justin Rose headed for a couple of weeks. And so. Brooks is a guy. It's funny when it comes to Brooks kept good. He's a guy that everyone talked about only gets up for the biggest events. Then there are out there, but now winning at the CJ Cup. Not necessarily one of the biggest events out there huge purse, which is nice. Nice, big paycheck, but I think he's got the type of attitude and game. That will keep him at that world number one spot for four little while again, barring injury. Yes. J headed. It's for sixty four Jason day. Had it for forty, seven fifty one cumulative weeks. And other than that. I mean, Jordan speed had it when he is you're, you look at a guy that I mean Tiger Woods. It just obliterated everybody. Six hundred eighty three cumulative weeks as that's craz- the number one golfer in the world. I don't know that that we're going to see in our lifetime somewhat hold onto it for that. There's no chance. Lifetime is absurd. Yeah, it is it. It just is such next level during that heyday was two hundred and eighty. One consecutive. Yeah, because that's also when he was on that cut streak where he made, you know, twenty seven thousand cuts in a row. He regained it regained back in two thousand thirteen when he was a player, the one five events that year. But I think, here's, here's what this says about golf the now. It's Brooks, because if you look at the run that we've been on since Rory had it for a while, we had Adam Scott in two thousand fourteen, then it was Rory. Then it was Jordan. Then it was Rory. Then it was Jordan. Then it was Rory. Then Jason than Jordan, Jason than Jordan, Jason than Dustin the Justin in Dustin than just and then Dustin Brooks and Donner in blitz. Yes, that's exactly right. It reads like a con what it is though, all of those guys want to be world number-one until they get it. And then when they get it, they feel this extra pressure. Adam, Scott talked about at one time etiam at a really good conversation about what that was like to be world number-one for him. And then. What happens when you lose it like that Jason days, a perfect example got to world number one. And then when he lost it realized exactly what it took to get there. And so everyone does all the work it takes to get to number one. But the problem is once you get the number one like you can't take a breath, that's why it was so amazing tiger did for how long he kept it. But that's because he was a madman when it came to the obsession of practicing and doing what he had to do to stay at the level that he stayed at its why no one can do it for any sustained amount of time nowadays. So do you believe that now after Tigers run that players, how do I want to ask this? Because I know what you're going to answer if I ask it the way I want to is getting what you want to know how you're trying to say. Number one, is it overrated. Yeah. And I know what you mean by the world by the word, right, overrated. Innocence. Yes. And the reason that I say yes is because the official world golf ranking still go back two years. So is the number one golfer in the world? Sometimes not the hottest golfer at the time? Yes, that happened a lot where there was a guy you could say, Dustin Johnson would be ranked world number one, but it was he the best player in the world that week? No, not even close and the same with Jason day in the same Rory mcilroy in the same with Jordan speed. And so right now is Brooks KEPCO the number one player in the world without question. So it kind of worked out so that now that the guy who everyone recognizes is the best player in the world is actually ranked as the best player in the world. Was Brooks kept the number one player in the world when the week started at the? Yes. Was he ranked that way? No. So that's why some. Sometimes you look at the official world golf rankings and you're like, man, does it really matter? I mean, it's great that they use it for guys to get into top fifty, which gets him into some events. But then sometimes you see guys that are in those events and you're like, there's no way that guy's ranked sixtieth in the world. So the point stuff that way is very skewed in a sense, but is Brooks deserving yet, right? Yeah, he's demand the ranking is right. And so if you go down one, two, three, four, five, you go all right? Yeah. Okay. As long as you get number one, right? The rest of them. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes guy plays number two. Sometimes he plays number twenty, but are those guys kind of interchangeable? Yeah, kinda kinda, you know, which is absolutely blows. My mind is that Luke Donald held it for forty consecutive weeks that absolutely blows my mind. You know what I do. I have get hen. I know. Yeah, you know what I loved about Luke Donna. When he got the world number one, he I didn't interview with him at Disney tournament. The last I think it was the last year that it was there. It was like when Rory made that's when Rory switch from Titleist to Nike and. Luke Donna was going for player of the year as well. And he was also world getting. He got the world number one, and I asked him, hey, man, look into camera, and you tell everybody are, are you the guy? And he looked then the camera. He goes on the best player in the world, and I'm world number one. And when he said I was like, it was like Robert Downey, junior, looking at the camera going, Myron, man, and you go, dang, do Iran and Luke Donald looking at the camera, and I was like, I know this dude is world number one. Like you could see it in his eyes, but he was, we were kind of in that we were in that post tiger run where we were looking for world number-one because his run ended in two thousand ten. And then he had guys like Lee, Westwood Martin timer on that's Donald how to for weeks. Those guys were like, one hit wonder, I know, look, forty weeks is not a fluke, and at the time at the time, if you had one guy when he was world number one for those forty weeks, if you said hundred yards to save your life. His was the first name that's coming up and there wasn't even close. Stunning to me, it wasn't even close for who's next because his wedge game was the greatest in the world, and he was a short hitter who didn't hit it straight. But he when he hit the fairway, he made birdies and when he missed the fairway, he made pars what's more stunning to you? Luke Donald having cume number of fifty six weeks at world number-one or Phil Mickelson never been world number one. Phil Mickelson never get that one. You know. And the funny thing was when Phil had the opportunity to become number one for those weeks when tiger was gone, every single week that they were off it has to do is finish fifth, like he, he literally couldn't do it. And I remember having a conversation with bones one time about like, why him no, Phil new. 'cause you know, Phil wants to know everything that's Louis. So he knew. Exactly what he needed to do every single week and putting that extra pressure on himself. He couldn't do it. He couldn't get the job done to get to world number one, which to think that Phil has never been number one in the world. That'd be like going. I don't know fat. Albert looked like fat Albert and never had a cheeseburger. It's just not possible right wanted you were go at that. It is like me. Ending. I don't know if you noticed, but I'm a vegetarian, not eight a tree, you're not just, no, but I've had this conversation before with people of why. There are a lot of vegetarian that are overweight. If easy Melwood is Brandon cheeses bread, it's, it's all bread is bread. People say vegetarian, then they'll, they'll get a vegetarian, they'll get when a half foot long sub with enriched bread. I don't understand. I'm vegetarian well, you know what? Now, you know, keep eating a loaf of bread. Because you can eat French fries. Those are dairy and aren't they? This is what I tried to explain to cause me and where my son goes to school, the coaches he start working out. He's large do too. So I was like, hey, man, I start working out. You went to the gym last week in for us. Thanks man. Then the do quote me the price and I was like. All right. Not making TV money, so. But I said to, I could work out to the cows, come home, but if you're not eating the right food. You might as well. Yeah, you just floating in. You're not making progress. So I have to figure out a way to convince my wife that rice is not a vegetable. Yeah, you're gonna have to. That's going to have to come out of the equation. Yeah, I don't know how to do it. I don't know why don't you guys try eating? Can't you make like like squash and stuff? Can't you get a special thing to make it like possible that cauliflower, you can do the colorful mashed potatoes which are delicious. Put butter on them. Yeah, butter has nothing to do with nothing. That's fine. What are you talking about? Butters got to do with its peer fat. No, butters not fat, but as pure delicious. It's not brain what you had to cut out of a diet is bread and sugar. If you can cut out bread and sugar like that kind of starts or potatoes. You know what I mean? Like sweet potato instead of regular potato. But then for me, it's like, so sweet potato fries is cool. Right, probably would. Yeah. Sweet potato. So it's gotta be something like you could you cut bread and sugar from from the day that we're taping this? What's today's date? The twenty. Seventh, twenty six. Could you cut that out to twenty second twenty second. Could you cut that out from now until thanksgiving? No, I'm being honest. I would love to you. Don't understand. I would how much I would love to do that. But this you seen, I eat better on the road at home. It's that is the home cooking. It's not even home cooking. So I try and I try. I am fighting a losing bad on the minority in the house. We don't have to have two different kinds of bagels, duty kinds of English, muffins, and two loaves of bread and seven different types of potato chips and it because also I come from a spot where was like, you can't waste. So on your plate yet, and you don't buy something and then like you don't buy a bag of chips in to chips and like I really don't, and then opening another bag chips. Are you nuts? Like, what are you wasting was buy one get one free. That doesn't mean wasted. You know, there are starving people in places all over them. Well, let's send them to chips. They're not going to be any good by the time to get there. We need to finish this, and that's the problem is that. I would go. I tried this one time. I was like, look, I got somebody come into the house. They're gonna clean. They're gonna clean out the pantry. So we only have healthy food in there. Yeah of and if I when I said because I was like, I just need put my foot down with this, how are we going to do it? And I thought it was going to be like, yeah. Okay. I'm in. Don't tell somebody who likes cooking and like being in the kitchen that somebody else is going to be coming to the house and going through their stuff and dumping everything out didn't go over real well. I was like, I'm just trying to get some fresh vegetables and create know me. I love green peppers. Cucumbers, tomatoes in like fresh. I love fresh vegetables and stuff, but. That brings us back. Well, that brings us full circle back to world number one because here's what we do have in that ranking is a guy who probably doesn't eat many sugars and breads now, and he did text me. I said, Texas is to with a picture when he got world number one, he was on sportscenter. Randy Scott. Yeah, because remember he lost that bet to me. Yup. And had to give me some Nike, so nice Jordan's. So I took a picture of the Jordan sitting in front of the TV with him all with Randy Scott, and he takes it. He was like, hey, thanks, bro. Loved him sneakers. And I was like, I love the sneaking. He is. I love Brooks to death him and his dad, and it is. He's deserving world number one. And because of the dedication that he has to the game and the attitude the working out and attitude on the golf course. I won't be there for a while. Well, let's find out. We'll do a little bit of a side bet actually do it right now, so we can get it on the records. Got to be quick though over under. Twenty six and a half consecutive weeks over. Okay. All right. I'll take the under. You take the over what we will. Will have this in perpetuity, or at least for the next few weeks until he's not world number one. Further caddy. Mattie, we appreciate the download the listen the subscription. We've had a fun time doing this are things to Brown and everyone apart of today's podcast again, Mattie, and caddy, both Instagram and Twitter, and we will hit you next week right here on the caddy podcast. Thank you Jeff. 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GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 242: Interview with MJ Preston

GSMC Book Review Podcast

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GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 242: Interview with MJ Preston

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Can you believe it's the last day of June that we are now halfway through this crazy crazy year? I've stopped saying I. Don't WanNa know what's coming next her. Oh my Gosh! What could becoming next don't? There's just too much weirdness in the world right now to even ask that question. I hope you had a good weekend. It was lovely here from it's been. It's been triple digits, but this weekend was only in the eighties, which was fabulous, and so I was able to get out into the yard. I should've mode, but instead I decided it was more fun to pick the peaches from my peach tree. That are no ripening. Have you ever heard of Saturn? Peach I appear Saturn Peach tree in my backyard. It didn't it didn't produce any fruit last year, so I did not know what it was exactly until this year, and then I was wondering why the peaches looked like they did. They can have looked like they're. They're more like a pumpkin shape. Actually in so my mom and I looked it up when we were talking on the phone one day, and they're called Saturn or donut peaches very fun. So I spent the weekend picking peaches and I put some of the dehydrates to make dry fruit and I made some into fruit leather. My nieces love. The fruit leather, and the dried fruit, and might my nine year old niece actually sent me a text wondering where her fruit leather was. was she getting any fruit leather this summer, so she was much more polite than that, but it was very cute. So I had a lovely weekend in involving much. Much peaches. I know that's not grammatically correct. Much peaching at any rate and also had some interviews as I. Often do this weekend I had to again like last weekend, and it's interesting I'm always amazed by the coincidences that happened in my interviews. This week both of the books. That I, am that I spoke with authors about have serial killers in them. Which? Is a little odd right very very different books once. Contemporary ones historical fiction one is very focused on the serial killer. One is Less focused on on the serial killer more on the. Investigation and there are some supernatural elements in that book as well. That's when we talk about on Friday, but the ones that we are talking about today because there are two are by M J Preston it's his the beginning of his highway man series, and this particular part of the series is to books, and that's going to branch out into other characters and other different elements of the story, and the people that we meet in these first two books. The first two books are called women and four, so four is number two, which is a little funny. And it is as I said the highwayman series, so the description on the back of the Highwayman. Meet Lance, bellinger. He has only one ambition to be the most infamous killer of all time. After murdering a single mom and her toddler child Lance indoctrinates himself into the world of serial murder. Before long, the bodies start turning up all over the country. Each victim is incapacitated by a puncture wound to the spine. Then while still alive, they are dismembered their arms, legs and head are severed from the torso. FBI, investigators call their killer, the highway man, but beyond the multi-state dumping of stage victims. The killer has left him little else to go on with no DNA or forensic evidence veteran FBI agent Louis ash is in a race against retirement as he tracks the elusive murderer. Meanwhile Lance has other plans that will up his game and increase his body Coun- in a web of murder that reaches from the United States to Bucharest Romania diabolical plan is set into motion to attract the most dangerous precedent. Here's the world has to offer. Can the FBI stopped this killer before he sets his plan into motion. So. That should give you some idea of the. Level of intensity that is involved in this book I appreciate that it is not told solely from the perspective of Lance who is the highwayman because I don't know that I could handle that much. Concentrated Evil. So you get a lot of different perspectives various FBI agents, and their process of trying to track down the highway of trying to find any kind of clues figure out who is doing this. and to me that that really helped you know I'm not. A huge fan of of horror or high body counts. This one definitely has high body counts, and it's. It's not as graphic as I expected it to be considering what I just read to you about them. Being dismembered as we'll talk about in the interview, there were a couple of points that I skimmed over, or I skipped altogether but it wasn't as horrifying as I was worried it might be. That's a backhanded compliment, but but really for me. That is that that is a good compliment because you know that I'm a total wimp when it comes to reading this kind of book. So I had a great conversation with 'em Jay, and we talked about this book and four and what he plans to do with a series and some of his other books, so let's go ahead now and turn to that interview again. It's the highwayman series. The first book is called. And the second book is called four, so let's turn now to the interview with MJ Preston. Hollow MJ welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you for having me Sir? I am happy to have you here. We're here to talk about your high women series before we get to the the two books, though if you could start by sharing a little bit about yourself, that would be great. Sure no problem I'm Canadian author. I've got four full length novels in publication the first one is strata. Poor novel called the Equinox. The second one was a science fiction. Horror based on my time is yes an ice road trucker? And that was called a Katie Event and just recently released a new series called highway man series, which encapsulates needs I two books that we're going to talk about today. I've done all sorts of things. I'm probably an old fogy for writer four books. I'm fifty five years old. But I've had stories published all over the world, and all my stuff is on audio and Amazon and like that and I wanNA. Talk about it was today so there you go. Well? Thank you and Have you watched the series ice road truckers because I never have, but is it. I. I for first of all I'm GonNa say is that I was not on the series I wasn't French. Yeah I wasn't a French documentary. That I have never seen, but I get constant messages and calls. Hey, we saw you on TV today. I've never seen it because I can't seem to. You know lineup the planet, so I can watch it but and I've met a few of the guys on the from the show, but no I I. I I did watch the first season 'cause. That's the ice that Iran. Those guys have actually gone off to other places to run different ice roads and whatnot, but that particular I I. It is in that first season. Vice roadrunners is the world's longest. That's one that Iran. From Twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. Fascinating we could. We could do a whole podcast probably just on that, but we will next time. Yeah That's. When I start my new ice road, truckers podcast. Let's talk about The highway man series. Can you give a bit of an overview of it? Sure I mean the highway series is kicked up by these first two books that we're going to discuss today I'll start with the blurb on the first book because that's the best way to put it as meat. Lance bellinger. He has only one. To be the most infamous killer of all time, and after murdering a single mom toddler child's. He Lance Indoctrinate some self into a world of serial murder. He wants to be the best so the first highway men look. Is Self titled and it's just called highway in his book in the series and that really that first book is a slow. Burn it all those the evolution of serial killer from beginning. To End, but the story doesn't end there. It goes into a second book, which is called for, and that's what calculates this story. The reason that it's a series is because there's going to be other books, even though this particular story, and some of these characters not to do a spoiler have are no longer with us. The next book will draw characters from those two books for instance, characters like the special agent Dave Maxwell. He will be in the next book on a completely different case because it's kind of a police procedural. And we'll follow it that way for as long as it as it takes me my intention probably to write a couple at least two more, maybe three more books. Okay and what was your initial inspiration for the story in the theory? Well, you know what I'm a Monster Guy Okay so my first book was about a skin Walker I've been You know I remember the Horror Writers Association I. Just I've always loved monsters so I wrote my first book about Skin Walker, which was a monster, then I wrote my second book. which was about you know invading bone, eating aliens in the norse and that so that was a monster. Highway man is really monster book in itself, but because these monsters are real, okay, serial killers walk among us every day. We don't know you could pass somebody on the street and they could be a serial killer so I. Think the most terrifying moisture and I think that's why people gravitate toward because it's real, it's not Frankenstein's monster is not a vampire. It's not you know some supernatural thing. This is a real thing and they're really. I think the most terrifying monster so I decided I wanted to write something about them, and you're I am. Yeah and you kind of you kind of addressed this in that they they are the real life monsters that walk among among us Do you think that's the main source of the fascination that we seem to have around serial killers? I think so I mean popular culture certainly has put them on the map with Thomas's Harris's silence of the lambs and making Hannibal Lecter, a household name, and then you look at you know Dexter. The Morgan's shares is was huge as well. I think that it is I. think those are those are different interpretations of these, but everything that I've read. It's is sometimes. It's really easy to go and look at this stuff that these people do, but that it's that lack of empathy that they have the narcissism. And all these other things that that makes them so frightening because generally leave two people get into an argument or something like that, usually, if if they can negotiate which each other they can find common ground. These guys don't have that. They don't have any empathy, so you can beg and scream and cry. Do whatever you want, but they're predators. There's like the Great White Shark coming at you accept their human beings, so I think that's. That's part of the fascination and the fear, and there seems to be a real resurgence of this serial killer genre, which I think is very much different from the slasher movies that you know you that you shield there, but the stuff that's closer to real. I mean you just mind hunters just you know become a big deal on Netflix well. I've read all the mine. Hundred books I mean they were big part of my research. I think people are drawn to it because of that. It's fascinating, subject a little scary, too, so maybe there's parts of that I don't know. Yeah I. Wonder if it's. If it's fascination because. It it. It scares US and we hope it won't ever happen to us, or if it's if people are fascinated for you, know a I'm sure it's a variety of other reasons as well. It's Can You? You mentioned in? One of the one of the afterwards I think of the books that you didn't want to make land, an anti hero kind of along the lines of Dexter or one of those other Serial Killers! That kind of does things for. Sort of good reasons. Or just yeah, okay I. I can yeah I. Didn't because I did a lot of research. And it was my experience with most of these people all of them. But most of these people. with the exception of ones that would be say very mentally ill and that they do like versus somebody like Jeffrey. Dahmer he he was, it was cl- clear right from the outset that this man is mentally ill because of the things that he had done. And how passive he was when talking to investigators and all that, but then you think of somebody like Ted Bundy who's got a big smile on spacey's Charming Looking Guy, but he's just ABS- When you look inside. He's just a monster at the very core has absolute, and we'll term the pants off you, but you know. Kill you in a heartbeat like that. So when I researched all of this. That's the common theme I found most of them. That's why give Jeffrey Dahmer a little pass because I think he was completely nuts, but with these other ones. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing wrong. They don't care and they and do the most despicable things so what I didn't want to do. I didn't WanNa Lance bellinger. A. Yeah, as you said an Angie Cheryl. I want people to like. You couldn't identify and you know you can even make you laugh a little bit once in a while, but. He He's a disgusting human being. I wanted to make sure that my readership understood. This guy's not a nice guy. I. Don't watch it. He's he's not going to be the hero. The highway masters he is just really is a terrible terrible human being. Yes yes, he is as I mentioned at the beginning I am grateful that MJ did not decide to write this solely from the perspective of Lance and some of the other. People in Lance's world that we get to know a little bit, so we are going to go ahead and take our first break of the podcast. When we come back, we'll be talking about. The process of writing these two books from that variety of perspectives and much more so stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Book Review. PODCAST and I'll be right back. MC beauty tips podcast gives you advice on everything from heritage into skin care products. We'll talk about the latest trends and make up here styles and anti aging remedies, Anal- cover all of the newest fashion trends. If you have an interest in or questions about the beauty trends that might work best for you. The golden state media concepts. Ud Tips Thaad cast has got you covered. Download the MVP tips podcast, don't. Deter soundcloud, Google play or anywhere you bind podcast. Just type JAZZ MC in the search bar. Welcome back to the GMC Booker via podcast I am speaking with author NJ press about his highwaymen series before the break MJ was speaking about Lance. Who is the serial killer, the Highwayman in this book, and why he chose not to write this book from Simply Limb Lances Perspective and we're going to pick up that conversation as to his how it was for him to write it from a variety of perspectives, so let's go ahead and get back to that interview. You, you also write the series. These books from a variety of different perspectives, so we don't just get this land perspective. for me thankfully, because that would have been a little too much for me, but we get we get the perspectives of some of the investigators, and so did you ever consider writing it from just one perspective or another? How what was your decision making process in writing it from the multiple perspective? Well when I do, I can be a real trap, but I do like multiple perspective, and and the thing is is yeah. If I if I ran from for instance I, only from last melges perspective, that's where I would run the risk, because if this is the guy's head that you're GONNA be in. Wrote this whole book you may start to have some empathy for him or something. Uh. But, really particularly highway man. A lot of focus is on Lance, because it's about his evolution and I the other characters that pop up agent Ash for for one they these are the guys you have to look at the human side and and when I. I read an awful lot of true crime also on this and You know made friends with A. Couple of true crime authors as a result of it because we talked back and forth and whatnot and I wanted to give it Kinda that same feel, even though it's a novel I wanted to have like almost a true crime deal. With read. That's the kind of the common thread, is we? We look at the individual the the killer in this case, and and and you get in many cases when they're caught. We get very intimate view into the terrible things that they did. So that's what I did with Lance and that's why would also you have to have those other perspectives of the police officers because it becomes very skewed in how you're seeing things with the story, so yeah, I don't think I could have just written from one perspective I probably would have had to take a shower every day if I will lance perspective throat. Like after right, never mind the shower head in the morning anyhow so. No I don't think so. I don't think I could have done that. I hear you How much research did you do then for the period? Well. I couldn't give number, but I can tell you. God Send Me My whole top of my descures just covered in true crime. Books got you know. Thousands of of pages inside my computer that are police reports I've read. FBI reports you know investigative techniques read everything from of course, the mind hunter series which journey into darkness. All these other books also The. You know the stuff to to make this stuff knowledge. You gotta go in, and you gotta read some really different stuff. One book I read was called dead reckoning. And it was written by Michael Bats, and what he was, he was a New York City corner and he's probably one of the most experienced guys on audie recovery and all this stuff, so you have to go into a lot. A lot of different places I believe that if if I have to watch one more serial killer documentary with my wife, she's probably going to take a restraining order against because we've done a lot. I spent your set. So. That's that's the deal. Everything that I do are right I do background on even my little horror novel. The Equinox you know my my debut novel I went and and research a lot of the native mysticism and I decide what I was gonNA. Use what I didn't WanNA. STOMP on because we live in times of cultural appropriation and you know you wanna be respectful for what you're writing, even if it's affection. if you're writing to a subject like this, she wanted to respect for his possible to the facts. At least that's what I. So anyways, I did GOBS. How's that? That's a very technical term. I like it and I I completely empathize with your wife, but not sure I'm sure I. would have my own limit of where I would be like. NOPE, go ahead and watch it on your own done. Well, I am lucky enough to. She does have a little bit of a morbid fascination to but I. Did. Do the research ever become too much for you? You know I mean I'm sure you had to read some pretty horrific thing. Yeah I mean there are moments where you have to step back and step away from it. because yeah, some of. Anything to do with children, especially, or and I'm I'm a huge animal lover. I've got two beagles in you know. I love animals so the idea anything to do with animal torture, or even just you know anything like I mean sometimes yeah, and sometimes it gets too grotesque, and sometimes you'll find some You know a report that is just. You can't even believe what you're reading. So yeah, sometimes, yeah I had to step back and shake it off for a while and go off and do something else. Maybe write a blog about flowers i. don't know, but I mean yeah. It can be too much for sure. I will confess that there was a part in the book, and this doesn't really give any spoilers away. But as soon as you mentioned, there was a dog and a cat, and I just skipped a few pages because I could not. I knew what was coming and I couldn't do it, so I just kept those pages. Yeah well. That was a that. Was it extremely hard piece to write for me because like I said? I am an animal I'm not I'm not but. Another common thread that these people have, and as I told you I didn't want anybody like Lance, bellinger and I figure from the outside established that he's real. dirtbags that would do these things, and have you know lack all this empathy NBC sonar cystic. I had to include that because in in much of the history of most of these people especially for the ones that are injured, torture, murder or anything like that. Animals played a part in the beginning because what they have a tendency to do these individuals as they go after the most vulnerable the first until they you know they they get better. They perfect their craft for lack of a better word, and then they move onto children. in the case in Rochester new. York they had a serial killer named Arthur Shawcross. And he started out. He killed two children. and I don't know it was in the Rochester area specifically, because what happened is he killed a boy and a little girl, and they from what I read. He buried the little girl alive. And that he was caught, and he went to jail. Now believe it or not. Somebody actually let him out of jail. Back in the late seventies or early eighties, and he picked up where he left off, but then he started killing prostitute Jr, so he started with the most vulnerable creature, which is you know prob- dogs, cats, small animals. He moved onto children which are definitely the most you know vulnerable children. Are you know? They're most vulnerable humans. And then he moved on to prostitutes, which are also vulnerable as well, but he escalated up the ladder, and that's basically what I was trying to lay with with lands. bellinger. Is You know he goes after the most vulnerable I and he works his way up to you know what he really wants is to go after full adults. So can you and it's always difficult when there's more than one book in a series, but can you talk little is? The second book for without. Giving away too much from the first one. Sure I can because you know what it's, it's. It's a given, and if you pick up the back of the second book. you know anybody's GonNa. Know that land spellings injure doesn't get caught in the first book and I'm not so I'm not really leaving it on that but I mean this. It's a to bookstore, so be prepared for that folks. Everything will not be resolved in the first book. That's why you're there for the second book as well. Basically, the first book as we were saying highway man. That's the. The bill that's slow-burn. We're introducing a serial killers. The the investigators that are chasing the second book which takes place over the course of about I, think between four and six weeks as opposed to the eight years, the first book was is really about the rundown and catching the highway, and it's really I. Believe they've match walls for not lambs, bellinger's lance in there, and and and he's he's just. As you know as he's doing what he's doing, but now he's this the second half of the big project that he wanted to do. And He's enlisted other people to help them with that project, and they do some pretty heinous things. Including which I say is on the back of the book is massacre for families? Massacre for families in their homes. so he's attracted the worst, the worst and and and the cops know who he is now and they're coming after, and so it's it's it's. It's a fun book I had a lot of fun writing because it moved in a much faster pace, but that is that's it I mean. This is like almost like a magnum opus. Maybe I should just wrote one book, but but I. Don't know if anybody be able to get through eight hundred pages sitting so anyways. That's yeah fours. Four is the second half of the story and this is the kickoff. To the series, but as I said all those characters that you met in those first two books, the exceptions are the ones that got killed or arrested, or whatever happened to them. Those! Folks are coming back in in other storage. Box! Well in the Nice thing about having both books out now is that if you read the first one and you come to the end and hasn't been caught, you know the it does end on a bit of a cliffhanger. You do not have to wait. You can just pick up the second one. Which? You mentioned yes. You mentioned Stephen King's. Dark Tower series in one of your afterwards and I was so grateful that I started reading those. When he was almost finished writing them because I don't think I could. Actually have read a series that I started in high school, and it's still not done and it. It's frustrating me to no end so I I'm much happier when I can read the whole thing. or at least I know this is the this isn't the whole theory, but you know I kind of can can complete one set of it in one sitting. Yeah, it was a real. It's a risk doing something like like doing. Because really, this is the biggest writing project I've ever done and I'm just talking about this one story, but I mean there's a risk involved in it in in that. You know something happens. Yeah, you don't tie up in the story. You're really doing a disservice to your readers. I went through that with King because you know what I followed that dark tower series from the very first from the gunslinger. Right up to the to the aunt. And it. was you know it was like really like I? Mean he did that? One book where he left, left the cliffhanger on it and I was like really and Kane said it ended where it ended. And really that's what happens with the first time. Man Booker ends where the story ends at that point But it was agonizing all those years waiting for King come with another gunslinger book. It was you were lucky. I'm telling you that I just. Don't you? Dare die. Don't you? Dare die. So. He almost did. which is the crazy thing that's right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right. He got run over by that guy in the car or the truck yeah yeah. So I mean I I read that. He had all kinds of people people on death row writing him to find out. If you would please tell them the ending Yeah crazy. I don't think the ending Julie wrote last book. Probably not. Maybe I don't know but. I do not. Think about what's going on in Stephen King's and brain. I don't blame you. stuff going on there, I'm sure. Yeah. So What are you working on now? Are you working on the next installment? Yeah I'm I'm I'm working on the next? Highway Man Book and I'm also got Twain in and this is the second thing I'm playing with. The back of my brain is Another juicy horror novel? I've got a really good idea mapped out I. Just haven't put it down on paper, so yes, the next highway man book is coming out because. And There's a little teaser at the end of four which tease the next book, so people will understand where I'm coming from, and I can't give up any titles or or anything to service. Tell you is that they've maxwell. We'll be back Michelle leave. We'll be back all all the characters that were in these first two books. Most of them are going to be back for this next book and I'm I'm looking very forward to introducing readers to them. Again all right? Yeah, absolutely! And we'RE GONNA. Take another break, but when we come back more with Mj Preston, so stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC book view Podcast, and I will be right back. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and hear this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast blitz with endless hours of podcast covered. From News sports music fashion, looking entertainment, fantasy, football, and so much more so stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast. Whatever it may be visit. WWW, dot GS MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter and download on Itunes, soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the GMC dip. Review podcasts the the break. MJ was speaking about bringing some of the characters back in other books in the high women series, so we're going to go ahead and pick up the interview from that point. and it's always interesting to watch how characters develop especially if they are if you you get to know them a little bit and the in one story, but then they have a larger role in another book, I always find that fascinating to get to know what character in a different way. Oh, absolutely and this is the kind of the cool thing about the series itself that that you know if you know if it goes where I intend to take it, which I'm trying to do, is that you know I Kinda, get I on the first one on the scene when I write a book and I get to meet the characters and flesh them out, but it is kind of neat because his I pretty much like almost all the characters in here, and I'm thinking in my hand, and for instance the Louisville Detective Lonnie Perkins I think he needs his own book. You know, and that's that's. That's where my brain that it like we're gonNA. Go Back to Louisville and have him do a case, or or what are we going to do or you know, so? There's there's lots of lots of stuff that you can draw from that and and the Nice thing about doing it that way. Because I loved. I'm a big John Sanford. Fan so I love. The racers I'm of version flowers, books, and I like Michael Connelly's stuff as well and I read a lot of his series the Harry Wash, which has been made into a series on television. And the thing is those are central characters along what I'm trying to do different. Here's I'm GonNa Pluck characters from the story, but we're going to move it around. We're GONNA shake it up. It's GonNa. Be Maybe it's going to be. It's GonNa be day mass when the next book maybe Michelle Lee a FBI. Agent Michelle Lee will. As well or story or case or something? She worked so as long as I still got my body. We'll see it goes anyways. Yeah that actually sounds like a lot of fun for both you as the writer and the reader to just you know what's coming up next. For you do characters. Go off on their own sometimes, and or are you ever surprised by your characters, or do you kind of have a pretty good idea of where the story is going to go and what the characters will do? They, do surprise me and Dave Maxwell particularly when they get to the end of four surprise me so Yeah, I they. They go off on their own little tangents and take me along for the ride and sometimes like. My I in in a previous book. That I wrote their Acadia event. I had a character characters that I literally when I I think, Katie, invincibles, seven hundred pages, but I literally follow these two characters, and they're not. They're not the central character, but still they're very much attached to the story, and all the way through. You think these guys are certain way, and then at the end you. Completely the other way and quite honestly when I wrote that that's the way it happened. I was like wow I wonder if I did this, and and I did it, and it just worked and so when you're lucky enough to have that happen, that's great and and for me. Is You know it's really cool because I I'm learning more as well getting just getting to know somebody, and then you're going to say. Hey, meet my friend over here. This is what they're Blah Blah Blah but you get to realize that person and then completely screw with their mind so anyways, yeah! You have mentioned that you've written some other novels are. There any novel in particular that you would like to highlight at the time. Well, here's a strange thing that happened with me. Is that I was in India? or in the on the outset? Okay, so I published my first book and twenty twelve independently, which was the equinoxes, and then after that as I mentioned earlier in the interview I published a Katie event, and then went old school, and I actually well while blue press taken all of my books now they they. They took the two books that I pitch to them, which was the highway man series? And then they turned around, and and they said you know what we want you rather to independent books, too. So you bring them into our full, so it's been a weird year because like. Like it seems like in the last year. A friend of mine said to me, he said you just let you just republished published four books this year, so I wanNA, push them all because they all wanna make money, but I mean equinox is a book that got so absolutely so much love when it when it came, because it was a about a young native man who was chasing a skin walker in modern day that killed his grandfather, and he just happens to chase that skin walker into a town where serial killer is killing children and burying them in his feel, and it's just a great or lots of action, lots, everything and you know. It just got so much love so. On that note with time, we have all pump acadia that because Katie event. is was like I. Say came from the inspiration came from me driving north an ice trucker, but the story is really about an alien invasion, and it's just a bang-up fun. All like people would love it. and has a bonus in the ACADIAN. Print or the book they. There are photographs in there from my time as well so explaining context, and and it's just one of those things. It was a hands on I, got to go up and do all the things that you read about in the book because the guy is driving a truck up the world's longest ice road, but It was just a very intimate novel because I was so hands on it and all in that and pretty much everybody that read it. You know, loved it for that reason and I'm really Jack. Because, that's going to audio book as well. All my books are on audio book, but Acadians. Last one and we really had to work on it because there's a whole variety of different characters that were based on characters and I actually met in north, so yeah, it's a good book. It's about a guiding Mardi Kroft He gets hoodwinked into doing a diamond heist in the Norse, and as he's going up there. One of the minds digs up something in the ice and all hell breaks. So people, I I think people would really enjoy. It gotTa plug from Greg. Unreal Norris who used to write for Star Trek Voyager and the sci-fi channel. You said he absolutely loved. So, it's it's it's a book. If you're into that sort of thing, it's a book for you. It's just it's. Just waiting for James Cameron to call me, but he's got a restraining order, so you know again, we're not gonNA. I'm just kidding, but. From from a book point of view, it's like James. Cameron movie in a book like Liens or Avatar or anything like it's just, it's a big jump in your face. How unbooked where I? Really enjoyed writing and like I say it got a lot of love as well. So yeah, there's you go. That's my pitch on that book, but everybody should by all my books. Because all you're going to do is give me more time to write more stories. Small Fan I'M GONNA. Do it. That's right so is writing something that you've always wanted to do or did you decide to do? Were you compelled to write later in life? How did that work for you? Yeah no I've I've been writing since you know? Since I was a kid, you know, or should I say when I was a kid I was plagiarizing. Because I was a sponge, but yeah. I've been reading I wrote a written stories and I sold I mean I suppose stories to little literary magazines. I'm dating myself here. Because a lot of young people don't even know what that is anymore. But so I wrote short stories I wrote. Reportage movie reviews from my hometown paper and she'll that British Columbia. And I when I joined the military I wrote a lot of military reported and my first novel, Equinox was started in the military, but it got shelved because I was a soldier, and I was constantly on the road, and you can't pack typewriter with you my Ben. penmanship absolutely sucks so You know I it kind of fell by the wayside had about a half finished novel, and that ended up in a box only to be retrieved. Retrieved later, thank goodness. I didn't come to the novel well. You know what I didn't decided I was going to revisit writing a novel until about twenty ten when I found a happiest manuscript, which was the equinox in a box, and I took a shot, and I be quite honest with you I didn't know if I was gonNA write another book, but then somebody talked me into going I'm running the ice roads and others inspired. And at that point, I realized you know what this is. What I'm intended to do I'm a storyteller. I'm really I do it on paper or you know it's done digitally, but I'm just sitting down by account fern. Somebody's looking over me and saying hey MJ. Tell us a story. Okay, let's go and that's what I'm. GonNa do for the rest of my life, and and hopefully as many people as I can. or hopefully I'm going to touch as many people as I can not physically. And interact with them through my stories because that's what I believe I was meant to do. Time to take our final break of the podcast. When we come back, we'll be speaking about MJ's advice for aspiring authors, so stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Book Review Podcast and I'll be right back. On the search of that one true love on the limbo in this crazy world dating marriage relationships well listen to the golden state media concepts relationship podcast your one stop podcast for everything about. Relationships. Welcome back to the. podcast I have been speaking with M J, Preston author of many looks, but author of specifically the high women series. We have been talking about today again. Those books are. And four, and so let's go ahead and turn now to the conclusion of my interview with Preston. Through your own experience, then you have advice for US firing authors. Yes just keep writing. Don't let don't let thicken your skin because you know it. Is. It can be pretty rough especially if you get a review and I've had I've had review or to that. You know you know, but that's part of the deal. Rejections part of the deal you have to decide if you really want to be a writer or you don't want. Be a writer because you can't. Nobody's just GONNA walk over and hand it to you, but also understand that not everybody is going to be Stephanie Myers not. Everybody's going to be a Stephen King not. Everybody's GonNa. Be I don't forget the guy who wrote the Martian. It some some events, a little bit of luck, but if you, if you love writing, you should, you should pursue it. Keep going at it. Join a forum. Learn as much and remember that you're never going to stop learning in this craft. I learned something every time I write a book. So? Yeah, absolutely just don't give up and just keep at it. All right, thank you. When you take time to read, do you prefer the the true crime? The horror genre author, or do you have other favorite authors genres? actually wealth. No, I'm all over the place I you know I read historical fiction I've read you know. I actually read normal books wave or not. The this this you know. I am all over the place I. do like the horror I i. love the mystery writing you know as I was saying. I'm a huge fan of John Sanford at probably twenty five or thirty of his books, Stephen Game fills up a big part of my library, but I mean I i. like guys like Frederick for safely Tom. Clancy you know and then and like I say I'll read I'll read a store. Call all all read true crime. The amount of true I'm actually read was for research purposes. Some of it's very interesting, absolutely especially if it's well written, but I'm all over the place and. and this is nothing against my friends in the romance category. I'm not a big romance guy. However, I understand that there's a need for that, and there are people love it and ended up and whatever you did. That's what you should reach. Absolutely I agree. I know you have a website so if you can share your website and where people might be able to interact with you on social media. You can well. You can find me at my website, which is MJ kristen on net that simple or you give me. An empty dot ca would. Be Preston Dot net has been saying website since I started into this, you know in the How many years ago they were talking ten years ago eleven years ago. so MJ Presson dot net. You can find me on facebook under M J Preston or you can go to my MJ offs. MJ precedent authors page on FACEBOOK for announcements. Go to the wild wild blue press way I'm getting mealy most her under. I mentioned that anyways. I twelve blue press website all one word, and you can look me up there. They've got great books over there. Or you can get me on I mentioned twitter. No, I didn't match and on twitter and I'm all over the but MJ Preston Dot net is a good place to start. That'll take you wherever you WANNA go. All, right perfect! Thank you for that. So Md. we've talked about A variety of different topics that is there anything that we haven't covered that? You would like to bring up in terms of your writing or your books anything that we haven't talked about. No. I'm just like I say I'll just you know a close by saying that I'm a I'm a pretty humble guy. Love interacting with readers so you will find me on facebook on twitter, and and you read my work. You know I'll interact with you. I'm not some stuffy snobby guy. Because I believe it's shared and relationship between the writer of the and you know I mean you're somebody giant like Mr. King, there, it's a little harder to do that. But right now where I'm at is readers me and more more to me than anything because you know what. They buy books and their reason that I write these stories reason I labor for a year on an awful and go over. Do all the things that I do so just come check me out I'm an open guy and like I said My Work and Promised to try not to disappoint you. that's all I can do. Well thank you so much for taking the time to speak to me again. It's The high women series currently two books, high women and four Thank you so much for joining me. Wasn't thank you for having me. I, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you once again to M J Preston for joining me to talk about the Highwayman series i. Never really thought I'd be doing a book review podcast. Let alone doing book, Review Podcast and talking about serial killers. See where my life is has gone. It's amazing. No really is a I do. Appreciate everything that I have gained from being a host of a book review podcast in reading books that I may or may not have read otherwise though thank you to Mj. Thank you as always to you. My listeners is so very much. Appreciate you and your loyalty to the podcast. If you are fans of the podcast, maybe your new. Maybe you're just trying us out, but if you are a fan of this podcast. podcast this podcast, please do take some time to give us a review. Whether written or five starred those reviews, really really do help us out in order to get this podcast to more book. Lovers like yourself so prescient that and I always follow us on social media. GMC, book, Review Facebook twitter and Instagram I would love to hear from you. What are you reading, Do you peaches in your yard I? Don't whatever it is. They comes to your mind. During the course of these conversations, have you read some of the books that we talk about? And what were you thoughts about those books so? keep in touch via social media again. I would love to hear from you, so thank you once again to MJ for being my guest to you. My Listeners I. Hope that your week is going well so far. 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The Supreme Court of Facebook

The New Yorker Radio Hour

50:56 min | 7 months ago

The Supreme Court of Facebook

"Each listener supported w nyc studios the new yorker radio hour production wnyc studios and the new yorker How you doing i'm doing. Well how are you. Thanks for doing this. It is very cool to be here in the host chair next to you david do we do it. Sure let's go okay. Three two one jabbing rod. This is the new yorker radio hour. And i'm david ramnik. Jet of course is the host of radio lab and he's joining me because today's episode is something special so Radio lab has been reporting about facebook for a couple of years now. we've been looking specifically at the rules around what you can post on facebook and what you can't in how facebook decides with that hugely bureaucratic name wait for it. Content moderation right which essentially refers to fifteen thousand ish content moderators working. Twenty four seven monitoring all of the post coming in from all the different countries around the world moment by moment according ideally to one set of rules which in reality results in a giant mess. A huge mess but in real life hugely important with big global implications. Think about donald trump. If you have to. Facebook kept bending the rules in allowing posts that would be banned because he was the president after all he was special but trump was finally banned by facebook after he used the platform to incite the riot on january six that the capital now republicans tend to see the facebook band as some enormous liberal plot to silence trump and others say that the facebook move was way too little and far too late and so With pressure coming from both sides. What does facebook now do with trump. Is he banned for life because of those past posts or should he be allowed to rejoin and who gets to decide. Mark zuckerberg recently announced that he was going to refer the problem to a new group known as the oversight board gone very technocratic name but the oversight board of facebook is less like something you would see in a big corporation and More like a government body in fact since they announced it. The nickname of the oversight board is the supreme court of facebook the supreme court of facebook. Well simon adler from the radio led team has been reporting on how this is all kind of work and at the same time at the new yorker. We just published a big piece by kate clinic pinnock. Kate is a law professor and journalist and she had an extraordinary degree of access to the inner workings of facebook. While all this was going on. Hello kate how are you. Are you rolling on your end area. Now i'm really so. This is a radio lab new yorker radio hour mutant hybrid production with simon adler from the radio lab team and kate clinic of the new yorker so a couple of months back. I called kate to talk about this shift and this research project. she's been working on documenting it. I want to be done with this project so badly kissed. This has been your life. Yeah it has a little bit too much. So i'm ready to like i'm ready to kind of do something different. Kate is a professor of law at saint john's university. She's studied facebook off and on for years and she was at it again because back in twenty eighteen mark zuckerberg. The company's ceo was considering this strange proposal. Yes like this crazy project to solve this crisis about content management inside the last couple. A little over a year actually sat down with mark to talk about all this. She did it over the computer. So you'll hear some clicking of keys the but anyway as he told her that much. I think that sustainable over time for one percent or even one company is operations to be making so many decisions balancing free expression of safety at scale. I recognize that this is a huge responsibility. And i'm not going to be here forever. I'd like to the company for for a while but one day about to be run. The company and i think at that point it was the it would to have built a separate set of independent structures that ensure that the values around free expression and balancing these equities. Fix this interesting. Like i trust me. But i don't necessarily trust the next guy right and so like a benevolent dictator. He wants to devolve power away from facebook and himself and what he'd landed on as a model for how to do. This was a supreme court for facebook and very wha-wha-what. Exactly like what. yeah so. The proposal was pretty simple. It was creating a group of people from all over the world that would basically be this oversight on facebook and it's speech policies essentially think of it as like the supreme court of the united states but instead of overruling lower court's decisions this supreme court facebook would be able to overrule facebook's own decisions. It's a hard pitch to make isn't it. Oh my god. One hundred percent can imagine how that went over there. You want us to do what. That's how i imagine that going. Yeah but mark wanted this to happen and so it happened. It's part of a larger sense. I think that he uses facebook. Becoming more and more like government isn't even the best term but like a system of government retired fact that i have control to basically held forms of a long term legacy that he knows will not make terrible decisions. This this seems to be them catching up and being like yeah like if you've got three billion users you're bigger than any company at that point and he country your rules can be as impactful as any governments laws and so you really need to start thinking of yourself a new way. Yeah i think that's right any ever done anything like this before i mean. Honestly there's nothing that even comes close. And i don't wanna be grandiose about this but there is a sense in which feels like you're watch. I felt like i was watching an experiment that would if even if it completely and utterly failed would be remembered and be a lesson for however the world ends up sorting out this problem of online speech and so once facebook decided to build this court the suddenly needed to figure out like what cases would go to the court who would be on it. How would they make these decisions. And it became clear that it's it's not appropriate to have a single person. Answer these questions on behalf of society or freight this institution. This is brent harris who led facebook's effort to build this board this court And as one of his first decisions he said we need to go out and actually listen to a wide array of people about what the problems are in the challenges are the day are finding and ask them. What did they want this to be. What can what can we instead. They held dozens of listening sessions. All over the world talking to lay people but the cornerstone of this process was really six global workshops where they invited experts to come and way in Kate was one of forty or so people that attended the us workshop. It was held in the basement of the nomad hotel in downtown manhattan. And when she walked in it was like walking into a technologist sweating come in every like table is decorated with succulents in bottles of water and an ipad. The ipad is not for you to keep and in fact some joke to of the facebook people. Judge me like yeah. We used a couple of generations old ipad to make sure and watch with spectacular. You have an ipad and at ultimately this moderator came out and tried to get the rooms attention and of course like everyone's half listening and most people on their phones and like whatever else in part because like people in that room. Were just very skeptical of what facebook was doing here. I mean kate herself remains somewhat skeptical of this court. This is just something. Facebook can scapegoat. It's really crappy. Decisions to that was my main skeptical points in all of this but anyhow The moderator explained what they were up to that they brought these experts here to in essence design this institution. So why do you think should be like why does it look like and some of it was like answer to question. Some of those things people brought up case selection questions board selection who picks the board and i would say a solid third of it was people standing up and holding forth on topics that had nothing to do with why we were there that day. Less of a question and more of a comment holy cow so many of those eventually though they got to the heart of the matter like how should global board think about these cases that are that are right on the edge of what we wanted to do was really Put people in the shoes that facebook is in right now and taking these decisions. So they told him like. Hey you are going to play mock court as a group. You're going to have to decide whether a piece of content should stay up on facebook or come down and so everyone was asked to open their ipad. So you were asked to like we're going to go over the first simulation and what popped up on those ipads was this greenie photo of a little girl running towards the camera with a speech bubble photo shopped in that read quote kill all men and so the moderator asked if that eight speech what does that mean and should that be on facebook or not. Leave it up or take a down and so people started to discuss. People were like well. This wasn't funny and someone else was like. Does it matter whether it's funny or not back and forth and back and forth and even so like should men be protected. men are more protected than other groups. Eventually though the room pretty much came to an agreement kill. All matt is clearly humor or social commentary. That should be up on facebook and it's inappropriate for facebook to take that down like this is a harmless joke right in. Facebook should be a place where harmless jokes can get made because in this case the joke only works. Men are the power structure if they weren't wouldn't be funny. Yep punching up there you go. It's punching up right. Here's where things get interesting. Because as we said they did. Six of these expert global workshops. Berlin singapore new delhi mexico city nairobi. And at each of them they ran. Through this kill scenario we ran that case across the world and Something that's very very striking is really different viewpoints about should that be up on facebook or not like not just at the new york workshop but in berlin and other western liberal democracy and even singapore folks supported leaving it up and you. You know you'd think that that folks who'd experienced more authoritarian governments and restrictions on their speech would also be for leaving it up but it didn't go that way that go for it. But i understand i understand that. Of course i get all men. You're the most feminist radical jokes that you can make this is berhanu tie-a. She works for an ngo called access. Now we defend expenditure rights abuses at risk around the world and when she was shown this photo at the global workshop in nairobi with had ten dis from all across the african continent. Her thought was funny and not many of us that are feminists might upset that. Once in our life right could be. Yeah you know. And i like i understand that to be jokes like yeah. Of course they should be space for humor. And i know why sokaiya so important. But i'm sensing a but what what. What is it so credit for me right now. It's funny but humidity luxury and we're not. We're not illinois right now. So yes we've seen content like that that unfortunately quite prevalent and now we've lived through it sorts. Nothing it's not that mean joke. Our What is she. What events in the world is she thinking of when she says well some very recent history and so. We're gonna take a little bit of a detour here to to understand why burr han would want that killing joke. Take down and along the way we're gonna see close up really the life and death decisions this global court will have to make. We'll get to that right after a quick break producers simon adler he's been covering facebook's newly created oversight board which will address some of the most difficult questions about what can and can't be posted on the world's largest social media platform. This is the new yorker radio hour. And we'll be back with this special collaboration with radio lab in just a moment This is david ramnik every week. Look forward to bringing you the new yorker radio. But i'm also hoping that you will subscribe to the new york and get everything it has to offer. Becoming a subscriber is the best way the only way really to make sure you don't miss the pulitzer prize winning reporting and some of the best writing in the world from jane mayer and ronan farrow and politics. Two go tolentino. 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Please visit our website new yorker dot com or new yorker dot com slash radio hour to get home delivery of the magazine and unlimited digital access to everything including dealing tunes crossword puzzles and our vast archive of ninety. Five years of issues. And thank you. Thank you for listening. Thank you from reading. Your support helps make possible everything we do. This is the new yorker radio hour. I'm jaboomer normally of radio lab. And i'm david ramnik and we're doing this special presentation with radio lab about the supreme court. Ah facebook. that's not its official name. It's officially called the oversight board. But it's supposed to function just like a supreme court a body that would make decisions on what can and cannot be posted rules that even the ceo of facebook even mark zuckerberg can overrule. So we've got a story on this in the new yorker from journalist named kate clinic and producer. Simon adler on the radio lab side has been reporting on the supreme court as well so to rejoin that piece. We met a moment ago. A digital rights activists name berhad anti. She attended one of the workshops. Facebook held in the process of creating the oversight board and she was opposed to leaving up a comedians goofy photo. Caption that read kill. All men tie is a feminist. She gets the joke. So why does it need to come down. What was she thinking. Yeah well i mean it comes down to what's been going on in her home country into absurdity yoga right now if ethiopia. There's a lot of animosity between different groups a lot of tension in looking at just the past four or five years there you you see how these questions of who's punching up and who's punching down can get flipped on their head with the click of a mouse so to set things up. Ethiopia's sits right on the horn of africa. It's the second most populous country on the continent and for a long time. It was considered one of the world's leading jailers of journalists politically. The country used to be very authoritarian. Steady repressive this is online activists turned academic and challa composer. At how many universities. And yes i can say that me and some of my colleagues were the first people blogging to your public. He was actually forced into exile because of this activism and the way he tells it doesn't fifteen the worst unrest in decades. The started as most student student protests breakout across the country. Thousands took to the streets over. We can watching this unfold. From the united states doctor challa noticed that at the center of these protests was disguised. Jawara muhammad was gonna lay in a lotta lebron himself. He's an really pick savvy guy. He's it in english. Dissenting voice that allowed that is going to be sufficient prey on the government to break. Its will and you know he had about one point. Four three million followers on facebook making him as powerful as just about any news organization in ethiopia. Now a couple quick things about jar number one. He is from the aroma. Oh ethnicity the largest ethnic group in the country and we'll get more into that in a moment but first the other notable thing about you are is that at the time that these protests were getting underway. He was actually living in minnesota. He was in exile. They're thousands of miles away from the action. At least seventy five people killed but as these protests intensified including clashes with the government took the upon it clashes. He was able to galvanize folks and direct things because a face mask on kenya. Get him do so that. Sort of amazing -ly when these protests succeeded. Hi marie i'm desalegn. House resigned amid deadly anti government. Porter's there he was lionized as well a hero. One who'd help usher in a new prime minister. If yoga has a new leader. I'll be. I'll be up at one. Sixty percent of new era in ethiopia. Who since coming to power prime minister. I'll be i was engaged. Listening to one of the country have say you're the first time in our entire maybe hundred years of history bihan tie we actually time. He can be hissel united country. The government three thousands of political prisoners and journalists. The latest of sweeping measures invited those in exile. European distance exiled abroad to come back home even ended a decade long conflict with neighbouring eritrea. Promise delivered i mean. These changes were so profound that ethiopia's new prime minister. I'll be off mid. Thanks in no small part to our muhammad went on to win then. The committee has decided to award the nobel peace prize to seo fan prime minister bill. That's right the nobel peace prize. So what you've got here is really the promise of facebook realized right like man from thousands of miles away leverages facebook's power to bring down a thorough -tarian government and elevate a peace loving leader. I mean this is. David and goliath level. And as part of all of these reforms would be probably country. We have now our office. In uncharted up. Jawara muhammad return to ethiopia and was welcomed with open arms however while i'll be much reform ambitions of increased his popularity unrest's that ethnic rivalries in ethiopia will undermine his reforms. The very that brought this change about began pulling in the opposite direction. The first the first the violence that happened was in twenty eight hundred. The first it was gruesome pictures circulating on facebook. I always you know different. Anti noticed sentiment but what were the ethnic tensions and what was being said. Yes so how complicated to get in the weeds to get get complicated. Well okay so. As i mentioned jar is part of the aroma ethnicity the largest ethnicity in the country and the romo are the largest They've also long felt politically and culturally marginalized. And this. this feeling of marginalization This resentment This was really at the heart of the revolutionary protests. That jawara helped lead just curious. Are you aroma. I if yo- pin. I i i mean. Many of his posts pointed directly at it. He would face a little more preston hollow it. Almost where might have been inspected absolutely okay with me because is some historical through street. But he's a guy like Who heaped up. The temperature ramp up some emotions isis aid. We are ported to fight back to kuala. Let's go to come together and fight back. But now even with the old government out of power and a new aroma. Oh prime minister in power to war muhammad did not let up. He kept stoking. This resent to be honest with you. The risk of nazi even war but cuts us through coming on violence across the country. I think people have a very familiar with this inversion of power statements. he was making during. The protests sounded very different in two thousand eighteen like even just the line nine homeland when from being about ethiopians getting a corrupt government out of power to a romo's getting minorities out of their territory and quickly. The language began to escalate ramp-up lake. Uh by not. Stay at alien to you know. They are even until eventually. October twenty ninety. Riots began on the twenty third of october two thousand nineteen and lasted for several days. A mop took to the streets burnt cars and killed several people. They thought were their opponents. Eighty six people died across the country. What caused this horrific outbreak of violence. The facebook post by opposition leader jawad muhammad when evening from his home in. Id saba jawara. Muhammad posted an unsupported claim that he would be killed by minorities in his post he called on his supporters for help in response some of his followers called for war and well gerard denies that he was intentionally. Inciting violence hate flooded onto facebook content calling for the killing of minority groups again. Burhan ty cobb and actually cutting people like your name is from a different ethnic group going kill literally not what we were seat and then everyone started to do things on their own hand. And you'll keep minorities that could go wrong when trunk. English minorities brutally market who can brutal gruesome violent minority communities being scrutiny targeted by the country's largest ethnic group about when they tried to cut my granddaughter's grabbed. I took out line mine instead incident. Then they stop but they took her father instead um since then the government just has not been able to get back to any sort of at least five. People were shot dead by police on monday. Not least fifty fatal shooting of shalu console. Every couple of weeks been killed. There's just another outbreak of this sort of violence. Crystal blow to peace chain and got his patties. What happened and so back in nairobi. In an air conditioned conference room with this supreme court facebook training session was underway. Berhanu was sitting there staring down at this ipad with a photo on it that that says kill all men. She's like yeah. This has to come down. You know. I'm not an speech to even give space to having a content governance in motivation. When it's about humor while and bertrand was not alone in this many people felt data's an incitement to violence that could result in actual harm again facebook sprint harris and data. Something that should not be on baseball and so ending around four pm to be honest with. She walked out of the session. Just like this does not address the issues that we're talking about today. Damn what do we do because it really is a we. What do we do if the very thing that people in new york in an ironic way say must stay up is the various thing that makes her walk out because it's just utterly privileged and completely ignorant of the real life consequences of hate speech. That's wow and keep in mind. These are just mock trials training sessions really like they ran into this as they were trying to answer how to answer these sorts of questions and now we will get to some of their actual rulings and the supreme court itself. Yes but i like. I think that the tension we're seeing here goes deeper than this one example. I mean at the core of facebook is very american understanding of freedom of expression. And you you hear this. Even in the way facebook executives just talk about the company and more people being able to share their experiences. That's how we make progress together. You know how many times has mark zuckerberg said some version of this. Most progress in our lives actually comes from individuals having more of voice but when you talk to people from from different parts of the world like there's not universal agreement on this. I will definitely tell you that. I found myself. Oh my god i was. As as i told again professor indulge challa coca crispell came. An overwhelm us with information. Wouldn't have a win. Stylish factor checking system didn't have journalism institutions. We eat the opium have only imported facebook. We haven't imported the rest of the institutions in democratic foundations. The economic security around which such untrammeled freedom of expression is beneficial and so we can use eight years ago. I saw that and freedom of expression and to help us liberate us and get us out of the system. Now i have seen people get angry and they will take matters on homeland. So it's about like a choice between Coexistence distance or being whatever you want to say and as i've seen the violence that because made i think i would expect in so the approach. Facebook is taking to try and reconcile these global differences. Is this supreme court after those global workshops they took all that feedback and created this this independent structure. It's going to have a forty members. It currently has nineteen. The members represent every continent other than antarctica. And they're from just a a wide array of backgrounds. Some are lawyers. Others are free speech scholars activists journalists even a former prime minister of denmark and among the first decisions they're going to have to make is whether or not former president trump will be banned from the platform indefinitely Facebook has currently banned him. But it will be up to the board to to rule on whether that ban should remain or be lifted. And i mean this decision won't just impact trump i. It could very well have implications for how facebook will deal with political. Figure is not just in the united states but in places like ethiopia. Hello hello if. I'm a very nice to meet you virtually here. I'm good. how are you sir. All right and well making the right decisions for for the entire planet in many ways. Impossible when i sat down and talked to several members of of this court of this board i have to say they did make me a little bit hopeful. Thanks so much for being willing to do this. I hope we can have a little bit of fun here today. Hope so yes. I think we should make us much controversy as possible. Oh okay well. This is mine aci. He's a member of the board former special rapid tour to the united nations and he's basically spent his entire life fighting for human rights. I haven't i haven't used facebook or twitter myself really. i'm also. i tried to keep my private life. Why the hell were you chosen to be on the oversight board of product that you don't even use why. Yeah because with all kinds of people being chosen for it i mean. That's the beauty of it. Doesn't it all kinds of people aboard all kinds and that he sees the solution here in the incremental progress we've made in the past. Look i see. I see this work as as human rights work. I've gone through in my life. Two different things around hate speech using radio. I one one banning kenya's well so that the tools and the problems is basically the same. The difference is that media mainstream media before social media has been regulated over tight decades and years then informed and guided how information is put out he said. Just look at the five second delay that live television runs on now. I'm sure when it started the live. Television live radio. It was it was on the go. So i think that's the questions we have to deal with but facebook. I think i think i have confidence that there is enough experience in the world. That's dealt with these phenomenons and this feeling resonates with most of the people. I spoke to at facebook. I mean i spent about fifteen years working on climate. Before i came to facebook and i think the issues here are deeply analogous again terrace. They are human generated. There are major regulatory actions that are needed. There's a serious responsibility by industry and a step up and think about the responsibility that they hold and The solutions that will come forward as we start to figure out how to address. These types of challenges will inherently be incremental. And at times. I worry people kill off incremental. Good progress that start to address these issues because they don't solve everything is the paris agreement enough. No is it a lot better than we had before. Yes is the montreal protocol enough. No is a substantial step forward against this challenge. Yes and building. This board is only one step in a wide array of many other steps that need to be taken on. It sounds to me the way you're saying is this is the first piece in this global governance body. Facebook is imagining. Well if it really works and people end up believing in it and thinking. It's a step forward than yeah. Further steps can be taken perfect. Ause gonna be issues for criticized. The specific people who were on criss cross pass. When kate clinic who who turned us onto this story to begin with when she interviewed mark zuckerberg he said as much oversight board is the is one institution that you get builds. Pardon community governments governance that. I think we'll end up. Having ten years our hour long it takes to all this kind of good concrete that we could go kate. And what they're thinking of in terms of next steps one would be something wyche regional circuits or a level of adjudication. That are more regional or more localize that sits alone this board as a means of taking these decisions. You mean like Seven continental courts. Or i don fifty two sub-regional courts that feed up to the one supreme court that's right and so what we're watching. Spring up here is not justice solution to what is truly one of the problems of our of our moment but also this holy new way to organize ourselves and sort of adjudicate. Our behavior look look. What we're trying to do is an experiment. I cannot tell you to whack a break. But i can tell you. Try to make as much as we make mistakes. Hyman absolutely i have got no doubt might that being the humans we are not yet evolved to into saints and angels. We will make mistakes. That's part of the process The oversight board started officially hearing cases in october They've already ruled on matters ranging from weather nude photos advocating breast cancer. Awareness should stand to weather. A post about churches in azerbaijan constitutes hate speech. The board will render their decision on president trump. In the next few months that story was produced reported by simon adler with original music by simonov in our episode is a collaboration between the new yorker and radio lab head over to radio lab dot. Org for more. We're look forward in your podcast app. We've got more to come on. The question of whether donald trump will be allowed back on facebook our reporter. Caitlin joins me in a moment. This is the new yorker radio hour stick around Welcome back to the new yorker radio hour. I'm david ramnik. Now we've been talking this hour about the supreme court of facebook. A nickname for the body known as the oversight board facebook created this oversight board to rule on some of the most controversial issues on its platform and it's rulings are supposed to be binding on the company. Their biggest case so far is about whether trump should remain banned indefinitely from facebook after his post leading up to the capital riot. Kate colonic is in assistant. Professor of law at saint. John's university and kate was given an unusual degree of access to the company during the creation of facebook's oversight board and her reporting is it new yorker dot com kate. Welcome thank you for having me. I'm delighted to be talking to you. How eager is the oversight port to take on the trump question. I think the oversight board sees this trump question as something that they absolutely have to weigh in on just its mere existence. Put the question to the board that if they didn't take the trump case and the didn't come to them what were they therefore and if they did take it you know everyone is potentially going to be upset with the many ways but they had to say something and so i think the people on the board are very excited about the potential to really weigh in and set the tone of exactly how impactful the board can be and this is the most idealized case like the platonic ideal of a case to make that case for the board alexia volley who's the russian opposition leader now in jail. He was critical of facebook's ban on trump and uncle merckel in germany called it problematic. It's not a simple question. And the voices being raised on one side. Or another. Not entirely predictable. How do you think this will go personally. And this is not based on conversations with the board but just on reading their decisions from their first couple of cases. I think that they're very free speech Centered and i think that they're very concerned about proportionality of punishment. And so i think there's a very high likelihood that they reinstate trump's account eventually maybe under certain conditions or they kind of give examples of ways in which the account should be limited or should be on a watch list or something to that extent. I have no idea how creative. They're going to get with their policy recommendations. But i think that the idea of a permanent ban of a world leader is something that even the trump hating freedom expression experts that i've talked to about this makes all of them nervous for a democratically elected leader even if he is inciting violence. Now you discovered in your reporting something pretty astonishing. And that's that trump cold mark zuckerberg personally about the oversight board last. May what did trump do that. What did he want said. That call took place after. Facebook had announced who the board members were going to be one of the people that was on that list and i she's sense left the board but she was initially One of the founding members was pamela karlan who's a stanford law professor and who had testified passionately at trump's first impeachment hearing against trump and He was very upset. And i think that there is a sense that was growing at the time and he sought with his executive order. A few weeks later was that he was getting ready to strike on this anti conservative bias that he and his administration and people in his campaign were pinning. I'm big tech. No you have the trump problem but on the other hand you also have much more amorphous problem. And that's one of misinformation just the giants slurry of conspiracy theory and misinformation propagated on facebook. And you can see its effect on the way we think the way we read the way. Our politics conducted. What can facebook do about this. And what should it do. I think misinformation great great topic to sent the board. I think what you're seeing. Is the gate keeping function that journalism provided for so long. I is is in place for journalism but that doesn't necessarily mean that's in place for user generated content that people are posting on sites and at the scale that were people are posting. You're simply not going to be able to do that kind. Of fact checking in a meaningful. Way as i'm sure you know as years of fact. Checking the facts are not quite as black and white as people. Make them out to be and so. I think that the board is going to start weighing in more significantly and flagging this as an issue and that maybe that will have a public education. Rubble there's definitely subtleties in. They're all kinds of ways to argue. Fact but i think we can agree that there really is no such thing as a jewish space laser that ignites forest fires from outer space or all the other theories that we've heard take taking hold even in the halls of congress will facebook. Just say well you know fact is a funny thing throw up its hands and not adjudicate any of this well so interesting. Let's the space. Because i think that this is kind of an amazing example. If what you didn't know that. I have one at home so one of the things that you'll hear a lot when you do. Content moderation as significant on. Time is that you have to understand things in context. What would it look like to decide that. You're going to ban jewish space laser. Are you going to ban that freeze. Are you going to set up an automated process that takes down every post that people use the term jewish space laser. What happens then if people want to be creative and make a short play that they post on facebook that involves the jewish base laser. Entire right exactly. And so what. I'm trying to say is like this is part of the context and an intention analogy that you is completely lost when you just have words or thoughts or photos or videos going from one person straight out into the world without any type of curation. You are going to have misunderstanding. It's going to be very hard to decide when someone is intentionally trying to spread misinformation and harm other people versus when someone is mocking that someone is trying to harm other people totally understood. But you also don't want to throw up your hands. I mean facebook says that. It's not a publisher. Isn't there a fair amount of hubris though to the idea that facebook and create an international mechanism for adjudicating free speech disputes. Is it just a. is this. just a kind of cosmetic thing. oh. I don't think it's a fair amount of hubris. I think that it's actually did only would strike. One is hubris. If you were in denial. About how many decisions. They're already making around these types of things without any transparency or any accountability or any thoughtfulness on behalf of people who use it's platform. And so i think that of course there's a chance that ends up being cosmetic thing in fact. There are a couple of scenarios about a year ago about what. I thought that this was going to be that. I was running through my head and one of them was that it just dies when it first launches never. Here's anything it's decisions are simple and short and it's not a serious thinker and it doesn't tell us anything about freedom of expression or anything else but i think that there is the phrase that you know when you start an institution. It's twenty percent the documents and the founding documents eighty percent. the people As you can kind of see from the list of people that laureates former prime minister of denmark. un officials directors of human rights organizations law professors and. I think that they have picked people who are just incredibly serious and have very big reputations and they are not willing to put their reputations in play here for something that is going to be fast can say what are the stakes in this for the economic future of facebook for the bottom line of mark zuckerberg. Yes so this is. This is an interesting question. And it's a little counterintuitive. Because i think that it's a mistake to think of this delegation of power. This kind of decision to handover part of the key is of the kingdom to another outside body as a bad business decision. I think it's actually a very smart business decision. Because i think it takes a giant pile of controversy and headache and everything else and says you know if we this is really a hard decision. Just like the trump decision. We're going to give this to this body of international experts that are going to kind of way at and tell us what to think and then we'll follow their directive and it's no longer just us sitting in menlo park kate. Colonic who work on facebook's oversight board can be found at new yorker dot com. That's our program for today. Thanks for joining us and be well see next time. The new yorker radio hour is a co production of wnyc studios and the new yorker. Our theme music was composed performed by merrill garbis of tune yards with additional music by alexis. Qudra this episode was produced by alex. Barron emily boutin ave correo rianne in. Corby cala leah david. Krosno go fan. And put away louis mitchell. Michelle moses and stephen valentino with help from alison macadam. Mum fei chen and emily mann. Our collaboration with radio lab happened with help from suzy. Lichtenberg soren wheeler dylan keefe. Sarah sandbox and the whole team from radio lab. 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Yes power okay. Well we're so glad picture here. Yeah because she's a she has her own show. You have your own show right about pop culture and films and books which some of us. I don't read books. Books occasionally. Yeah So we'll talk to you about your podcast about you about dating and then we'll play some games. I think we've been like arguing. About how many games to play. Today we have so. We'll do that. it's october. Is this your favorite holiday or this season nora by fire. Yeah i love. I live for fall. I'm not super fun with like the cold weather. So this is the perfect in between thanksgiving favorite so basically counting down the days. I think it's a great time if you listen to a podcast. You'd know that soaring. Had i guess we have to ask her. Oh come on come on no. I think it's a great time to be single too because it's getting. The weather is getting cooler so you know more outdoorsy type events you can do right there in the summertime. You go to top golf. You go to the patio and you're sweating. You're you're trying to be like romantic sexy. I'm trying to woo this person in like. I'm like sweating. I always went anyway but yeah it's just a it's a great season and there's haunted houses deal like those you know. I don't love them. But i have gone to them frequently because my friends tend to like them and i get major fomo tag along really from haunted houses for some not necessarily the haunted house but just like everyone going in bed. Yeah i see that. I see that but i for me. It's like i had a best friend. Whose birthday was on halloween so for every year. She always wanted to go to on piles for her birthday. And so like i went just because it was her birthday but i was like. You better not scare me. Now i have. I will hate you. Like i would scream at the people in the haunted house which wouldn't make it fun for anyone you now and so i just like you guys want me here. This do you guys that music. You don't like this. Halloween music very She loves clowns. She loves clowns is one of my biggest fear is my older brother. Made me watch it. When i was like five. Oh my gosh. We never recovered. I don't know. I've never even seen the movie and i don't like they remained. It was bad enough the first time when you doing but act. It's own about like being a good movie. It's just about getting a thrill right. Obviously i guess some people get a thrill from clowns. It's not my thing. I get from muller coasters. Let me get outta rollercoaster all day every day instead. That's a good idea to really coasters. I'm afraid of heights. i think i would cry. And people would like no no so then what would be your ideal for state. So we actually our podcast. So i have a great answer for you. Because i love activity dates so i think amusement park not so much but i think i would love in this season like maybe like a pumpkin patch of sorts. Something still outdoors. Eat safe kind of find q. Photo opportunities but or like. I don't know top golf. I like to be distracted. A little bit on a first date just in case. It's not good. I'm still having five hurt episode. I mean every dates could come on. What are you talking. Stick a pumpkin patch. That you take nora goes cute like photo-op and every wheeling where these pumpkin patches. I only know of one near my hometown where i drive so tarrant county. That's where i'm from okay. So we may be talking about the same one. We may talk about the same one. But i pretend that all like let him you would i ask her. But so what's what's the whole thing about the pumpkin patch things i mean. It's you're seeing pumpkins. Obviously but what else is a well. So i guess it's just i i said i love the season so pumpkins just kind of festive. And usually it's like you pick your pumpkin. You can paint debt grade carve if you want to. I just think it's like very in line with the season. It doesn't have to be a pumpkin patch. But i do like an activity so top golf many golf bowling something a little bit more interactive. Just because i mean talking on a first date. Sometimes people aren't very good at it. I can carry the conversation. I just don't want to put a cure. Oh my gosh guys. Down for manny petty. I'm their first lovely. I've never done that. It's a first aid. Zoric takes really good care of his nails. Fyi she's going. Look i mean. I actually think i don't know why don't get many pettis. I think it's one of the like best kept secrets for men like like if rinaldo gets regular pedicures every guy can be getting regular pedicures. Every guy doesn't look like rinaldo. So i but like their feet could well she put it on my profile feet. Look like ronaldo's but i am starter Okay we digress. What's in the news right. Okay so whatsoever. Block your mom instagram. What what did you say same gets me. I heard about this today. Go ahead go ahead. No emma roberts shared that she block to moment instagram and kinda took an a robert side normally. I don't but for this one. I did so. She said that she talked to mom instagram. Because she accidentally revealed the pregnancy. So emma roberts is pregnant right now so basically it was kind of like like parents learning technology. And it's like beta. Get all of the roles and privacy and they don't get there's boundaries and so they're just excited and they wanna share so it sounds like almost just like super excited to share this and didn't realize like my daughter is famous and wants to keep this private so she said that she was kind of so that mama's like inking per fall the worst for the baby news and then a follow warlike point black point blank asked issue pregnant and of course almost like yes and then you know to someone else feels like you so much for very excited and four. Emma was like on a plane. She couldn't like call her because she was flying so she was just like. I'm messaging her deeming her. Please stop and but it was. She said that it was kind of funny. Because my mom didn't understand like why this was a big deal and like you revealed my pregnancy. Like this is something that was supposed to be a private moment for me nor would you feel the same way. I actually took 'em aside on this one too. It was like her first baby and she was she probably had a really cute way to announce the news and then to have it all spoiled by accident to. I felt bad for her mom. But i think i understood emma stance on this one. Yeah i think it's a guy i would be like. Oh okay now they know okay. What's next so at. My mom actually told her that i'm not planning on telling her Until i'm announcing to everyone. Whenever i did get pregnant nobody to our parents are so proud of us and so they're always like talking about us now instead of calling somebody now you can do over instagram or facebook or whatever it is right right. I'm so thankful my parents have social media the same do they have. You know they don't ensure okay. Okay yeah agent. And i would know what's next so i'm this housewife is like a brand new housewife. She's very quickly become one of my favorites so far So raanan When berg has shared And kind of open a sexual morality. And what that means for her and her husband and their family. Which i was on instagram. Like all the bravo accounts you know. People were kind of judging really harshly for being like. I can't believe that she's married and doing these things. And i'm like look if they're like it's their marriage is they're both okay with what's going on. And if they don't feel they're cheap thing on each other then that's fine like who cares. You're not in that marriage with them you know. I've always said the only time. I'm going to have issue. It's something like you're my husband and cheat on me that's directly affecting me. I did not say we can have an open relationship. They're staying yes. It doesn't affect us. So who cares. So you wouldn't have one to though emma you wouldn't like that open relationship more. Oh i've said this before. I mean your thoughts can change to have an open relationship because i can only i could barely handle. One person agreed right. It's just it's just too much then. You have like two people to try to make happy number one number two both mad at you like dual like people that are you so when it's not good so i mean it's good for people but it's just not good for me right so she says she's putting this on social media. She's talking about it like on this show so the real housewives of orange county has premiered earlier this month and just a fly i. It's gotten kind of low and bad ratings but we're not gonna go into white just yet maybe a little to that later but You know who you are. And you know that you're a horrible person and biki and tear are god so like really. What's the point agreed. The oj from the oc is gone. You know yeah that was a pretty good lineup with over there right. Lots of drama people went. Drama is a drama now or is it more just haven't seen the season so i don't know honestly gina's like my least favorite housewife. She's so boring. Little gave up on a while ago. Yeah well who's left So cnn nor what. Really out of the original ones right. More geez and shannon was chill too. She wasn't like crazy she wasn't like senate was great machine. Look like they all got a little crazy in them to be on those shows. They're all nuts. Yeah so so. Bronwyn goes on to say that you know our husbands currently not living in their house or they're not living together into they're trying to redefine what that really marriage means to us But they're still super supportive and like they love their kids. So much and my. They're always like making sure that they're providing kids with their support. They're like always going to events or just like you know talking about their kids and how much they loved them so i feel like they those to like. Don't stay together. I just feel like they would be a good example of like what co-parenting looks like so they're together but they're not divorcing now. There's just trying to figure out what this relationship's gonna look like right now okay. Was there cheat or something happen. We don't we don't know maybe around now but they've been pretty open about like this all that they have an open marriage but like they do allow for people to come into their marriages like on occasions. They they shared that before and so right now like she's just trying to figure stuff out for her own and so he's trying to be supportive and that's what he moved out so they could figure it out together. What is it like is like hey honey. I met this person on tinder. She's here for dinner. Is that kind of what it is or do we know. Now we can just bounce open issues like just like a normal standard marriage to me. Yeah i never really thought. They had a typical marriage except for the fact that late. They're super supportive of each other and the kids though like her. So i feel like there's a part of me that's like i will not judge you because i like you so much. Okay good i mean. I'm not judging her. I'm supportive of her. I believe you now if another housewife that was annoying me came out with this. Then i would be annoyed. Okay so did you ever watch. Maybe i didn't actually okay. I either so surprise. Surprise be shutting down six months after the launch would be. That's that's a good question. What is it supposed to be another streaming service but short form films and shows like fifteen minutes and they actually had like some interesting lineups like tyler see from the bachelorette equity show. They made like a many qube version of the princess bride. Just like i couldn't it. I didn't like the idea an to get another subscription so that was really where i was at weight so i think it makes good corby fifteen minutes. So maybe they're kind of trying to get tiktok all the videos. It's quick right so people don't really focus on like movies anymore that just like the screw scrolling streaming the quick video. Maybe that's what could be was doing. And no one was just buying think it was like in theory a good idea. They just didn't have enough content for people to actually pay for the service. So i'm not surprised by that. Surprised me because they have a a lot of like. I felt like ayla celebrities that were promoting for them and on the shows. Although like you know this is just me. I feel like i get paid for commercials. Why because sometimes i need a mild break or i want to have the feeling of. Oh my gosh. You're going to commercials. And i feel like streaming devices are taking that away from us. They're making us. We impatient like and it's not the whole goal. I feel like we need to. We need to learn delayed gratification. That's an interesting perspective. I love instant gratification. So i am all about like the no ads like i am. This not built for that anymore. I'm so spoiled by like just being able to breathe through shows but you're probably right. I feel like that's a big issue with something like qube now. I now i'm right. I think you're maybe right but it's kinda like amazon right. Used to get your package in a week. Then get in three days now. He wanted like the same day which i wanted to so and so amazon though like again. I'm trying to teach myself delayed gratification right and so they have the option where they're like. Hey do you want it in two days or the next day or are you okay for waiting until prime day which is like if you order on tuesday. You have to wait 'til monday to get it. Yeah i know what you're talking about and they'll give you a five dollars gift card or something for waiting. Yes and i. Because i am like i need to learn patients sheets and i will learn -tations through shopping like that. You're better than i. I've done that zero times. I agree i have not done that. So yeah well i. I sometimes buy a different product because of the shipping regularly takes. I can't wait two days. Oh my god. I can just go to the store and get it now. Sometimes i'll do that too. Yeah instant gratification. That's really where i'm at. But they have to have the product like what. If they don't have it like you have to resurface Okay is that it. Yeah that's how i got okay. We went to the great debate last week. But we'll talk about it next week. Right okay have you been to the great love debate. Yes show that brian does. It's pretty cool talked about dating. It's like this town hall format Guys scales and yeah. They talk about like dating. Bios you talk about. You know pickup lines or opening openers. So show should go judging everyone so that's a lot of fun to people watch. It sounds like a dream calls on a panel. And i got to announce this year which is yes. That was funny. I was supposed to do like the. Let's get ready to rumble thing and like live from is. It's but it didn't happen that way. I just think brian. Here's your here's your mic. it's zoric. I like nightmare. I like to be prepared. And i wasn't prepared. I feel that. Yeah right okay. But you're like an improv rights. Like shouldn't you know right failed failure my gosh and probably gives anxiety. I can't yeah you get stuck. Sometimes you just say something and okay. It's just get over it. Yeah make something up right right emma. It's all about making things up okay. So we have nor here today. And she's an expert like the whole world has been waiting for her to come on the show because she's an expert on celebrity. Everything right. is that true. I heard that. I would like to think i'm pretty well versed so the whole wide world has been waiting for you to come here and we'll talk about. The first thing is celebrity relationships. So we're trying to figure out what to talk to you about. And we love celebrity relationships. We love love and so says barbara presentation for you and talk about couples and so we'll go around the room and look look at it couple so emily will show a couple to you and we'll talk about what we think works in the relationship. But we think doesn't in our prediction. Like i think it'll break up or they started yoga studio just random stuff but emma has prepared something for you and we'll put this on the website and instagram. And all that right. Emma burs okay so i the first couple so the first couple that we're gonna start off as me. What is and ashton. Kutcher okay so. I like firing pictures like a couple like both of them but some of my might be a little bit biased. So i like this couple. And i think what works is they're both actors actors and actresses right so they kind of both know like the industry money like probably on the same level. Whatever so Finances are probably cool But i also think when you have two stars you have to stars. Someone wants to be in the spotlight. That's what i think. That might maybe might not work. But i don't know. But i think i think they're going to continue to see together because they've been together for awhile right. That has hope them as they grow up together on that seventies show 'cause newness was like why like thirteen fourteen when she got back show right. She was super young. So there's a part of her that like has grown up with like they both grown up together like there's kind of like that come rotary. And then they have like that very basic like friendship foundation before they got together. Yeah what do you think about them. I think they're going to stay together. What do you think works. Yeah i think. Well i mean. I said i think they grew up together. They have that friendship foundation. I also think that they're just. I think they have a lot of similarities. That maybe they're not so about like i think they probably value a lot of things Let's see what about you. Nor what do you think he said. They're actually like one of my favorite celebrity couples onto and i agree with you. I think like i if they break up. Give up on love and dating in general. I think they're very good together. One i think it has to do with them. Growing up together. Like ashton was her first kiss on that seventies show. They just seem like they get along and they actually talk about how their relationship progress in that they were friends he was obviously married and she had other relationships and they did like a friends with benefits thing ironically because they both did those movies and then they're like this isn't working out like we need to be a committed relationship and like make this work and so because i think they've kind of experienced all of those things they know what the alternative is so i think they're they're otp kids. They like seem to be an. I know what you're saying about them. Both being stars like being the starlight as big of stars as they are. I think they do a really good job of keeping their private life price so i think that's preserving their relationship a lot too and like for home life and stuff. Yeah and i think also is meal is still put melt shows and movies and all that. That's a great question. I had seen or anything recently but i don't ask he's in the tech world he's always investing and stuff so so maybe they were. He's maybe he's kind of moving out of the spotlight and she's going to continue acting. But yeah i like that couple right. Yeah i like them too all right. Who's next jay z. and beyond. Say you have something to say. Oh man i know this is like everyone's like power couple. I love beyond say. And i just think she's too good for jay z sino. And that's really like the heartache. Because a lot of people like i feel like people respect both their careers. Just because i the world kind of knows that he hasn't exactly been wonderful to her and i just think she's a goddess. I'm like if you don't appreciate beyond say like what. Are you doing wrong so i i don't i feel very like partial about them. I like beyond say. I don't love their relationship together but obviously they have a family. So i don't want to be like break-up it's over but i do think that there are things internally that they probably worked through enough to stay together but that doesn't mean it's like a solid relationship. I agree. I always listen to lemonade album. Yeah because there's a few songs that she wrote for for that album. I remember when like she released the hbo like video series thing. I'll just like this. Is she was angry. She was angry at him. And whoever their family and marriage therapist is like thank goodness for hip on confidentiality roles like full real Because i think you're right. I think that like it's not like i'm not part of the beehive so don't don't hurt me. Okay but i do think that beyond says a lot more talented than jay z. I do and i do too. But i feel like she is more talented than he is. And i feel like there's times when i think i think they both stay. Because they both know like their power dynamic. I think especially her like she's not going to be someone who is going to divorced because i just i like i think it's just like basing it on her parents relationship like that's not something that's going to go with her and so i think she's like a one and done kind of person And so i really do think she's going to try and stick it out. But i think i do also think she can do better than jay z. I think she can too. But if i was jay z beyond say is like my dream girl she. She's she's one of the most successful artist of all times. She's beautiful she's from texas. You know obviously but yeah. There's gotta to be something missing right. Emma if guy cheats or maybe he's just a person that does that. I don't know i record for it. Well i was gonna say she's only ever dated jay z like. He's sort of dating her when she was a teenager so for him. He was used to a lifestyle before he ever met her. So i think that was. Probably i don't know when the cheating happened of course but I think it was just old habits. Die hard so whether or not he. I don't say he meant to. I think he meant to. But i think it was just a different life that he probably wasn't ready for. I'm not willing to put this. When i'm beyond say at all and i gotta say like if i remember like the infamous salons video i how could you forget. Certainly know what i'm talking about. Okay like i watched it. And i and i felt for both of them. I felt for both beyond say end salons. And i like because it was like you know. She's defending her older sister. How dare you do this to her. And of course. Like i felt like beyond say like there's so much scrutiny on her to to kind of have this ideal. Mx that i think sometimes. She thinks that she can't act out unless it's on her music that's true to do. Think she threatened leaving him. Yes seriously. I think she threatened. I don't know how serious the threat was just to get your act together like Do you see what's in front of you. Do you see what we have built. And like are you willing to throw it away like that. And i'm just assuming it's like nobody but i could be wrong out one song where she was like beating up the car. 'cause i because even she did a with jack why and then that sandwich i quite like. She gets really angry and she's like don't think you're gonna do this again because you're going to you know you won't have a wife at the end of it. I don't know it just shows how bone headed we are men like we're just so stupid like we. We have this perfect person or maybe not perfect but damn near close. Yeah and then we still. We still act out and we still. It's that frigging testosterone. This amount her old we are. We're always kind of chasing for some. Yes but something that we think about it. But we don't don't ask. Yeah that's true all right. Let's go next state. I think smith and will smith off. Untangle meant couple. Yeah a lot of drama here right and we talked about this a month ago whenever it. How the red table steph. Yeah what was it a was. It wasn't conscious uncoupling crap. I don't know. I don't remember which remember what the term is either entanglement. Yes yeah. They're confusing couple to me. I wanna hear it. Y'all think i. Before i delve i i think that kind of like it's very similar to like beyond saying jay z. Except that will. Smith is more like the beyond say this relationship. I feel like we. Puff put them on a pedestal. Where he can do no wrong. And so i think that you know like but i think that they have more of an open relationship because they think that she's more capable than he is and i don't know necessarily because like i don't know if it's because he doesn't believe in it or if it's because he doesn't want the backlash f dance. If that makes sense. So i don't know what his driving forces i do. Think that they have an open relation ship. And i think that for will smith. The big thing is like he doesn't want to be coupled you know That's interesting. i always thought she was the one pushing for the open relationship. I don't know that to be true. I just assumed that it was gonna i. I think it's hard to. But i think that he i think battle. I think it's because of how we view him in that lose cookie-cutter in him that we have. I don't think he wants to taint that. And so that's why i think that lake. He's probably more against it because he doesn't want to be the one that's like cheated on. Because he wants to hold this appearance that yeah and it was hard. Because i had always known that they were in like open relationship. Because i had heard it. But i'd never seen either of them dating someone else so it was like all right. Well maybe it's just it's like a hall pass kind of thing like if it happens tool but it's not like a regular part of their relationship but then when they did the red table talk and they were talking about how she cheated with a twenty year old. That was driven friend. I was like of of all the situations. I could have thought of like. This was low on the list. But then i look at will smith and i i just look at him like a stand up. Father like i really. Just don't i can't picture him being the other side of what we're talking about so in this situation. I'm very pro will. But that's because. I have no other reason like i think i would have been pretty okay with it. Had i not known of the entanglement thing of a month ago like i wouldn't have had such a strong stance on this. But right now i think jada took advantage of a child. And i'm like man. I can't i can't handle this. Yeah yeah but it just shows how the people that people choose to cheat with. there's no rhyme or reason. Yeah it's just there's something some unmet need and obviously this person. It's all about timing. This person just is there and it happens. And i feel the same way like will smith. They're on the same show right. Do you remember that. Were they Fresh air fresh prince. Yeah but she was like a little league side right. I didn't know that so. I grew up watching him. You know he was. He never did anything bad in the news and he seems pretty. Stand up some. I'm also pro. Smith because jada just seems like bad like a free spirit are not in her vocabulary comer boy and i actually love watching red table talk and just when i hear about like the way she thinks i just know that she was like meant for the seventy s that life like twenty twenty the way a woman is supposed to act like she's just like nah. I'm over this. I'm going to do whatever. I want within my marriage with out my marriage whatever. Yeah i think she's just got a very spontaneous spirit and that doesn't always work in the confines of a relationship. Not sure whose. Elton john and david furnish david furnish is. Do you know who he is. I don't but i'm just looking at this. At truthfully johnson. John lewis in a relationship but he looks much younger very handsome guy. He is a canadian filmmaker and former advertising executive. He's got to be what like forty years younger than ten fifty. Seven and elton john. Elton is is Is seventy three seventy three kids together. They adopted kids together. But i think. I think elton i think he needs someone. That's kind of in the background right. Because elton is one of the all time greats. This this pixar compared david yes. I think it works well because you know. I think elton gets what he wants. He wants to be like the main attraction right. David probably supports him. Well obviously because they're together. Until i got about them. What are you have john and no. It's all things. I do think that they complement each other. I feel like elton really struggled with his sexuality especially when he first came to fame because homosexuality wasn't accepted back then and then like just like the chaos with own knob. Did you watch the Because watch the documentary or movies. Haven't seen rocket rocket man okay. We should've watched them with the. It was so good and also has tearing ear ten. I like i love But you know then. I started doing my own research on on him. Because it was a kiss mom could have not been not evil and his mom was like actually more eagle in real life and You know he just wants the web and you know he just wanted to love his mom and he just wanted to find a person. So i think that david did compliments like does compliment him. I think david was like the person that he you know is meant to be with. And i do. I do think in do hope that they stay together. Yay as david in the movie to know okay just about his past. I guess yeah sadly. I don't know much about them but they looked really cute together and if they have a really beautiful family i also hope they together like that's sarah paulson and holland taylor. I don't know who they are. Who are the isn't sarah paulson. I've only seen her extensively but she does. The was it the people vs j. She played his defense lawyer. That's what i had seen her in. Recently i also know. I've seen holland taylor. But i don't know what it's in right now like i'm drawing a blank so holland taylor is not known for but i think should be known for be in legally blogs. That's exactly what i know. Exactly what i know ago. I didn't know they were together. That's a new couple for me but so again the age difference though. It seems pretty stark. Am i making that up now. You're not making that up. Sue sh nineteen forty-three holland. Taylor which is seventy seven okay. Sarah paulson Thirty s maybe. Now no like forty five ish. Yes it's like an affordable Fifty forty five. Yeah oh my gosh experts. What he dressed really nice. I think they i mean that's that's how long have they been together. I i don't know 'cause i. They kept their relationship private for actually But they i feel like they've been together for a while on what like i do know like they're both super supportive of each other's careers and like eat bay. I don't know. I think there are so adorable. So keep together. I really liked asked a couple. Just kind of like based on what i've seen what they post on social media just. I just think they're beautiful together. I feel like sometimes they have like weird opinions on certain age differences. But the reality is if you can get past the age difference in like core. Values are the same. I just feel like that becomes such a backburner issue and like if they've been together for awhile and age doesn't matter and they're supportive of each other's very unique lifestyles and careers like this. Seems like a great couple. What's what's the age difference that you would tolerate for you for me personally. It's seven years. Like i have my older brother seven years older so the rule was you. Don't date anyone younger than me. I don't date anyone older than you. What you emma. I have the same role except like younger so like i don't date people younger than my sister did that once. I was not a fan. But i will go up to like ten to fifteen years older than me. Yeah but not as all this my parents that seems to be a very reasonable rule. All right emma. Who's who's next. They toria and david beckham. That is a sexy couple right there. Scott on the best looking couples ever. Oh my gosh yeah. I like him because children to all of them model. Where the Serpent any type of drama in this relationship. We heard of anything and nothing substantial. I feel like everyone just thinks. Victoria's a bitch 'cause she looks like she's got a mean face major which i super sympathize whip but really like as a couple. I feel like they're so solid and people were trying to make a big deal out of them. Like did you see him like standing near somebody else like it was always such a superficial issue but from their camp. I've never heard anything big. Yeah me either. I mean david is like every man that he's i want to be him. Everyone wants to be him. Have aged like fine wine. Oh you can't even tell. I have actually no idea how old they are. They're in their fifties fitne-. Oh i mean if they looked good in their fifties. I need to have eighteen year. Old kid that's true. They could be in their fifty five forty five years. come in. they were young kid. No i feel like. I've heard him speak about her and he's just like she's truly my best friend and he's like why would i ever do something to hurt my best friend. And because i think they have that dynamic like other than the fact that they have built a beautiful family have been together forever. If you have that mentality towards your partner like you're ot there's no that's just it i. It's a great couple. I like this couple and they've been married for a long time right. Maybe twenty years. Maybe at least. Yeah next. Couple sarah jessica parker and matthew broderick thoughts love this couple. Okay so i think so. Do think sarah jessica parker is a little bit high maintenance and i think that it is balanced with matthew broderick's and to be honest so but i so far everything that i do see for both of them. They're both. they were supportive of each other. I you know vape both really care for each other either. They also have wonderful kids together and they're very private about that too. I think that has helped them. Because i know she posts more on her social media than he does and so every every time she poses always like about like her brand absences. Business is business seeing. You know it's not really like. Because i do think that she i think they both really value their privacy. So i kinda like with future. And i think that's very important for them to kind of make ass a couple of and they've been together for for a very long time now. Do you think that she could have done better. I'm kind of indifferent on like i don't have the girl. It was obsessed with her on sex and the city and things that she's so amazing. I think she's talented. So i because i don't know too much about the workings of their relationship because like you said they keep it pretty private. I mean like maybe looks wise. We can talk about something. But i don't know him like outside of his work well enough to be like i think he could do better like i feel like beyond saying gee i feel like i know that when a little more to speak of could matches well with matthew mcconaughey or something. He's rights dated rubbing junior back in the day. It'll be good one. No that would have been a disaster coupled together. You kidding me so barbara johnny junior in the middle of his drug addiction. Okay got it. He's so charming. I feel like people forget about some of the stuff that he's i mean as long as you keeps putting out those good movies mean we're going to talk about. His contract with marvel are not mark hall. Yeah my marble don airman anymore. Yeah yeah is it over. It is over for him. But i think they're going to be doing face three and four of the mcu universe now. Those understand marble wasn't my thing. Okay last couple helen. Let's move on to this. One priyanka chopra and nick jonas thoughts. Okay go ahead. okay go ahead this. I am like the biggest. Jonas brothers stan like oh gee all of them and i stand priyanka chopra. I honestly i don't know what it is. But when i heard that they were like dating and also like they were dating for like a week before they got married. I was just so confused. Because i genuinely don't know what they could possibly have in common like. He was raised in like a christian pastures family in new jersey and then like randomly moved to la. I don't really know how that worked in. The they lived here in texas for a while. Actually did know that because kevin's house or whatever it was in westlake. I grew up in south lake. They would come back for holidays and my high school would stock them and they'd be like oh my god. I ran into them like you to run into anyone anywhere. You follow this right. But yeah i just feel like. She grew up in like completely different circumstances like bollywood superstar. Like i went to india for one summer. And you could not look around. Did not see her face. Yes she was everywhere and i know a lot of people have kind of like a love. Hate relationship with her. That are familiar with just like her background. And i don't know too much about that. But i just feel. They're a weird pair like every other jonas brothers couple. I stand i support. I'm here for it. This one i like. I don't want them to break up. But if they did. I wouldn't be like shocked by. Would you slide to the dmz. If that happened she probably. I mean honestly why not to. What is it about her though. Is it lake her personality or do what is it. I have so. I don't know like a lot of bollywood movies. i think. I've seen maybe one. But every time i see an interview of her i feel like she carries herself in a way. That's all the boastful. And i don't like that like i think you can be proud of your accomplishments without being like i've done this this this this and this and i'm great because of it like i just feel like that's kind of her vibe and she has a lot to be proud of. She's accomplished a lot. But i think it's the mentality that i don't like so she personally annoys me whereas like nick. China can have that vibe as far as the brothers are concerned. But i still think he's a little bit more like yeah. Do you like so what it'd be easier for you to or ghanem. I don't have the right word but like would it be better for you if she was like more humble about her accomplishments like probably or is it. Because it's humble bragging. I can deal with the humble brag. I think i would be more okay if she was just like. I feel like almost overshadows her personality. All she's doing is just talking about herself. and maybe that's just the way she interviews. That's maybe not a fair assessment of her full character. But yeah i. I don't necessarily stand this couple and i feel like a lot of jonas brothers fans may actually be on the same page for us fair enough fair enough. Yeah i agree with what you said. It's split i like them. Why come on him away. Like what's the yet stamp of approval on this one. i think it's like how like liking. How weirdly different they are yet. it's like attraction. i think for me. It's just like a little bit of it. Gives me a little bit of hope of like look. I don't have to follow. What i think i mean traditionally like i can find love it all of these random places and it's still great. I just need to be shooting my shot with the jonas brothers is what you're saying like fingers price. Try with kevin. Jonas go now. This was like a long time whenever like mice face or whatever. Stop his my space deums. I can't remember. I was my space. You should stick with that story. Yeah and you should say that. He did respond. Come on. let's make the story a little bit better than that. Now come on okay so this was. What did we call this. We called this like celebrity relationship has nor right sure. That's that's their relations. The celebrity relationship experts okay. Self-proclaimed proclaimed but okay so you have a podcast to seems but i where are you from. I think you mentioned that a little bit. yeah. I grew up in dfw. So i've only ever lived in south. Dallas or austin sounds like high school goes yeah grew up in south lake college in austin grad school in dallas any dating carol carol hi i did graduated from carroll went to ut austin and then s amino the dating and high school or were. You still just focused on your your craft. It wasn't that. I was focused on my high school. I just grew up in a very strict household. So they're were like no dating that we know of are just even remember like i tried to go to the movies with some friends that were guys. My parents were like. Excuse me who. I know so then when i went to college tried. This was like before dating apps i should say. And it's actually kind of if you're not in greek life meeting people at ut. You're like the size of the school. It was actually very difficult so big school array. I mean huge scale. I think it's sixty thousand students or something and Just like the odds that someone would be like bold enough to break. hey. I sat next to your cool. Let me get your number like that. Never happened so. I didn't date a lot in college and if i did it was like a one day and that was it so coming from parents that are strict about dating when you went to college was like. Oh my gosh. I'm going to date everybody and talk to everybody. Was it like that. I mean. I think that's how i thought it was going to be but then when i realized like we weren't meeting people as frequently as i thought or like the type of guy that i wanted to date. It just didn't happen. I really didn't start dating until after college moved home. I like probably twenty three twenty four and like dating apps for just like booming. And that's when i started like dating. I feel like in college. I was still kinda like just learning. Today was still scared to talk to boys. And i was like this. This isn't going well for me Feel like that helped or hindered. Hugh like having this strict parents when it came to dating. I think it definitely hindered me. And i've told them this. I was like just the fact that i was scared to talk to guys at that age. Like datings anything else. You need to practice so you have to learn to talk to somebody like it. Be an organic conversation even just like find out what you like and don't like someone like that doesn't just you can make a list all you want but until you actually date someone to see how it looks like. It's just for show parents. Are your parents like now pressuring you to like settle down and get married and have grandkids. It's definitely something they mention. Hey i feel like at this point. Just because i'm twenty seven and like my parents are just like police. We just want grandkids. Like my double sprint me down the aisle like he is at that point. And i'm just like at this point. I think i'm the one that's taking my time. I feel like. I asked dr. But once i started dating and like seeing what i did like i didn't like now i'm like a little like hello picky and i'm like all right. Maybe we can find some even playing field. Luckily i have an older brother who is still single so he kind of distracts from the two of you. Yeah yeah okay. Because i was gonna say like a lot of times like my mom will say that and i'll say the same thing it's like. You were super strict when i was younger. And you didn't want these things that you're trying to pressure me like pressure me at my own pace going at your pace totally. That's exactly the dynamic. We have right now. Yeah so you started relatively late so do you remember that. First date ever is at vivid enough. You can tell us about it and it wasn't just like that unmemorable. Yeah no super unmemorable. I would say like my first real date like when i was out of college and like was actively trying to date it was a bust and it was a bumble date and i remember we had been talking for like he lived out of town he would come into dallas on the weekends so we would talk like texting all the time and i was like. Oh i really liked the sky which is so stupid. We hadn't even met yet. And then we meet and he has no social skills on so great when we were texting and like saying all these nice things and we meet and he was mute. I was like are you kidding me. Like what a waste of like a month of talking. And i remember. I was riding his text for him or helping him truly. He had a ghostwriter like. I'm not even i would not even be confused if she goes talk on the phone at least or just text. We talked on the phone a couple of times but they were just so brief. I guess i didn't feel like it. Was that awkward. Maybe just talking a lot and didn't notice but then we got person and either he was nervous or truly had nothing to say. And i remember thinking like wow. This is what dating after. Like i'm screwed. This is not going. What's what men are like the dating up. Its most of us are like zora a really great first state. Oh my gosh. Yeah i hope i will show you great time. And he will wine and dine ya. I mean i've heard of him like jewelry helicopters on terrified dinner even post. Kobe don't like high. Forgot mean before covid. Obviously but but no. There's so the first day did you. What did you guys go. Do you remember like yeah. We went to a coffee shop like near preston hollow. I don't i don't even remember what it was. It was like a small coffee shop. It wasn't like a chain. i had never heard of it before starbucks. Yeah it was. A starbucks was just like a little a little starbucks when they first started Okay so that was a dud. Right must probably a nice guy but just didn't work out right. so what else. Anything and your app is what bumble. Or i think the one i've had the most luck on is bumble to fair. I know it's like covid and your spouse using apps. I just have had such rotten luck with apps. I guess i just decided. I was going to be single until the end of quarantine because i haven't even been using them like i'll people will like match on hinged like accepted or will match and we'll move on but like i really have not been talking to anyone because i hate dating apps but then the odds of my guiding someone organically. Let's just but then like you think about it. I have to somehow like organically meet someone. I'm currently like self employed. So i'm not going to an office to meet people and i'm not in school anymore. So how do people meet exactly. I'm confused. there's no way. I can totally hang out women together and i'm really good at that. Yeah go out to the ritz. Yeah so so you're you're gonna take a break. Yeah i'm dating for no and i think that's a good call because it's weird meeting people right now it is. I don't know if you've been on dates during a bit. I have not Emma goes on every day. she's on a date and she says waiting for today because busy but it is different. So i guess. Call the test done after every day or every week to say my god if people are doing that. They're on another level. That's like my worst nightmare. You had to go protest. Before i've had a few just because i've been like are people around me have gotten coded and it's so uncomfortable. I'm willing to do everything to avoid getting tested. Yes so what about most recently before covid any any good dates bad dates so before but i must have said the last guy was talking to like pro at the talking stage. Just like where i like to live. Apparently and the last guy was talking to i met in school and we were talking and like unofficially dating for almost a year and i go sit him in april because we were just like really at that point. When we weren't dating. I was like all right. We're done and i don't feel like having expect. You should know by now if you like me or not like what's going you guys were talking date going on dates. Yeah but we were never like the conversation was never had as far as our we exclusive. Are we like like that conversation. Ever happened and it was probably my fault. Definitely should've asked like. Are you talking to anyone else. And then one day he kind of like mentioned somebody else and i was like oh. We're i'm done here like frenzy. Zoric norges mentioned something. Like is it up to us women to like. Start that conversation of like are we exclusive or are we seeing other people know you guys should kind of figure out where it's going. It's going to long like a year. Probably should just cut the cord. I have a friend right now. Who might be on the show. Okay i'm gonna say but she's been talking to this guy but he's been bred crummier right so he'll show up l. They'll talk for a couple days. Go on a date then will disappear for a couple of months and show up against so in that case. I'm telling my friend you need to move on. She's got a great career gorgeous. Everything but you guys just cut it off. It's not me. I'm trying to figure out who it is. You don't know still you might not know she will be on the show sometime. Yeah anyways so you're saying all. I just think i mean the reality is like twenty two hindsight's twenty twenty now looking back. I cannot believe. I entertain that for a year but i was so into this guy. That was just like well. No we must be on the same page. We talk all the time he tells me like all these nice things about me and how much he likes me but then obviously like we were on very different pages and so i was just someone in a rotation. He must have been texting multiple people like. That's just kind of the vibe. I got reached out to me a couple of times like i think expecting me to be like. Let's just be friends or hang out on on sam like i'm done and so in the middle of a pandemic decided to cut off the one person i was seriously talking to and then i haven't really talked to anyone since april not actually helped you. Oh i mean i think my sanity has definitely improved woah. I just feel like in my gut. I knew long before. I stopped talking to him that we should either be at this stage of like we are dating. Or where just friends there i. I didn't want to be in the inbetween. But i also wasn't comfortable enough which should have been assigned to ask and then we just like it kept getting prolonged and it was long distance and that also complicates things but yeah. I definitely think it helped. I've gotten to focus on me. And like i'm building my own brand right now like there's just a lot of things i have more time to worry about without worrying about someone who was not wearing about me. Yeah for sure so before him were on some dates or did you go onto ups or meeting. People organically through. Yeah honestly. i was very lucky when i was in school at smu. I was meeting. People organically like my classrooms. Like i said opposite of ut smu music tiny so you knew everyone in your classes for better or worse and my first year there. I was talking to a different guy. And then he just like didn't work out and but still like we would go out and hang out and it was really nice but we just had a lot of major differences and then the second year. I met this other guy that i was talking to for about a year so it was a little one another and not like a ton of dates or anything but it was not through dating apps so dina who else. Smu i'm going to take a guess. I might hoc perused view so then you know there's a i mean you know everybody at smu you don't mean to. It just happens. Yeah so has. Has your preferences changed from college to know like before you're probably looking for a guy who has xyz now. It's probably abc right. I think when i was in college i because like i said that's kind of when i started dating my list was like the best like it was. Yeah like a guy me check. That was really all it took me to go on a date. And then now i think my time is just so valuable that i'm much more picky but i would rather be picky and go on fewer dates. Just because i think. That's kind of where i'm at. But yes my criteria has definitely changed and i would say it's gotten a lot more strict hot off the set. I feel like. I started off like super picky but i was still dating like people that did not fit the list. And now mike okay. I need like loose it up this list. But now i'm not like i'm not baiting. Let me tell you something as you get older. That list is going to get loosened. I like rolling out a list when i was in college. I should brought that list. We should. I had three no card list that i wrote down color coded because i was like eating it the universe and it never will happen for both of you. See us so So today what so. How did you start the podcast. By the way. So i actually was kind of late to the podcast like listening game until i got my birth like nine to five job and i was like i need something to engage my mind while i'm working and that's when i started just like blowing through podcast content music with something. That would distract me. But i could listen to people talking. And so. I found certain number of podcasts. That i just like religiously started listening to and then back in april because of covert i lost my job and i was like man now. I have time to do something that i think. It'd be very good at. Which is i'm decently chatty. I love talking about pop culture and those were predominantly the kinds of podcast. That i listen to so it was like i want to try my hand at creating the content that i love and my best friend is an actress. My co host nelly and we share the love of pop culture but different kinds so she loves like film and like i like watching movies. But she like analyzes like filmography and stuff. I'm like i don't. Are they good looking actors. Like that's really where she gets like. She wants to analyze the plot. And i'm like i'm way below you. So mine was always more like celebrity news pop culture and she wanted to do film so that's kind of how we ended up with our segments that we have and that really just started when she home for quarantining in la. And i was like we have time on our hands. Let's try and see how it goes and honestly we just both really hit became an excuse for us to talk more than we already. Nellie likes dancing with the stars right me. Well you both do yet. She she actually dance. Says like she does ballroom. So i think she appreciates the actual dance and i like the show. Yeah so she. She doesn't like how it's currently set out exactly like if we just inside joke like i told her this before the show like i tell them apart because i feel like their voices sounds so similar on the podcast which is something we all the time. Only since we started the show but never is but it had really good voices really like the perfect voices but yes no you also very similar slop like telling me like say but who was it. I'm just going to say this conversation. Real quick we're talking about it and it's on my mind heard episode. Who who's not a fan of you. That's not a fan of tyrabanks host right now. Heater the worst. I'm not a fan of her. Either she is doing a horrible job host on dancing with the stars. Tom burns and back. He was such a like a professional host. Tyra is just going through the motions but she asked stupid questions like they have three seconds. She looked tomore life story. I was like when like they're about to get their scores on leave. Yeah no she's doing terrible and of course she's had like the really big mess ups lately like announcing the wrong bottom to like flooding her words and just like not reading her teleprompter. I'm like this is like one. Oh one girl all the time. I could actually mess this up on the top proper like off every week now and i like saw like a something posted. That was tom or john was like. That would never happen with me. And i will say stats right. That would never happen with you. Like any care about an andrew is just about what happened to him that he just quit because he got covert right or something they just they got a new producer of the show and tyra somehow became an executive producer in this process. And i genuinely think what happened was like she found out how much they were paying. She's i'll do it like cut those. I'm going to do it. It'll be great and now like they fired. Aaron and tom and within a few hours they announced tires than host. So i was just like what about. The judges are the judges. The same judges are kind of the same lennon's technically still a judge but he's old and couldn't travel because of ovid so he'll like kind of video in sometimes but then the third judge right now is derek. Who i love is a dancer. But i'm kind of indifferent about his judging. I feel like he's trying to be too nice. Yes i feel like he and julianne like don't want to be the mean judge never they are the host yet but i i got. I love carryanne and i love. Oh yeah his energy for it. Yeah only on there for the out that it's like who cares and even next top model. I think that's the main difference like on america's next top model. She actually was like a big deal on the show on dancing with the stars. She's supposed to be the side character but she wants to be the lead. I'm like it's not you move over. that's turkish. She had her own show. She's always been in the spotlight. She's just not used to performing. And executing i guess yeah i know she needs a lot of practice. I was trying to give grace to like get better. But she's not she's not making. Abc turning from the show. Yeah i i watch on hulu without the ads and so fast forward through her nonsense. Because it's just too much for me. Sorry so what happens. I'm her podcast. So would i do with them is rain her back and i say let's talk about. I don't know dating. No but i guess last question for you okay. So you've learned a lot from dating right. I mean in theory through through your relationships like what are some things that people should look out for when they're dating just like a physical thing any like that so for me. I think it's like trust your gut. Like i think there are so many red flags that come up that you know. Should it be like the deal breaker and by the end of whatever it is. You're dating relationship talking. Whatever but you're clouded judgment will sometimes get the better of like this up. That big a deal is it. And then you'll continue on with something that you knew from certain point should have been over. Yeah i've done that way too many times for sure for sure. Yeah okay so we have a game game. The other one was not a game. It was more of a all to know your expertise in which relationships and so yeah so quite this game. It's called emma. It's uh it's called the sibling game. Right let me share my screen. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna present nora with things you have to choose which one you would choose as your lover is it. Lover sure helped. The jonas brothers are on this. Well we will see you know the okay. You don't know until you play the siblings. All right we're ready. are you ready. Okay i one. Emma be marigot charlie sheen or emilio estevez is there a pass option pass necessarily to procreate with somebody and this is it by default emilio estevez like the worst do oh really wh- why acuity was like in the eighties and all the wasn't even a thought in the eighties. Like oh my goodness okay. Emilio it is all right next one andrew o. N. or luke wilson. Okay so this is actually an easy one for me. This is a luke wilson. All the way mainly because i just legally blonde is one of my favorites so no matter what he is. My favorite wilson brother agree. You agree with that. I actually like all of them. But he's my favorite nice nice. You'd be a close second. Yeah let's go. What's next elizabeth or mary. Kate olsen also. I don't know which ones ashley americade. Okay oh man. I think my my favorite olsen has always been actually and it's just because growing up america nationally where like one is tomboy. One is girly. And i'm very early. So i was always buying ashley shit like everything pain like. That's that's got to be my girl twins. Ashley ashley is on the right. No sorry actually. I pointed to the athletes on the left. Do have them in the right order. Yes who's the one in the middle elizabeth. She's in the marvel movies. Come on now. Yes who is she. What character. now that's beyond the which he powers yet like. She moves things with her brain. Oh i don't know gosh okay. What's next look liam or crimson heaven. Chris hemsworth so this has got to be the best looking. Brother duo the time. And it's trey our number. Oh my gosh walk up. That's so true. I always forget about luke liam hemsworth easy which i know is unpopular opinion because everyone on earth just like adores. Chris i just. I love liam. I think he's just was always the one more age appropriate for me and like if he's good enough for me he's definitely good enough for me. Who is luke. I don't know who actually in something big. But i don't know what it is like. He has in recent years. Become more famous as hemsworth brother than in previous years. I'd have to look up his filmography. He's a lead of a show. I just don't remember what it is right now. Never jake or maggie jila hall. Damn i really love both of them. But just i guess it's oh man but he did taylor dirty. This is a tough one. I was literally listening to all too well on my way up here. I'm still going to go all right. Miss that jake. Really kate mara we. I don't even know who they are. They're actors and rooney mara is actually married are no. I don't know if they're married. But in. All the she has a baby with joaquin phoenix. Oh okay they just had the baby They're both beautiful. I'm going to go. Rooney is the one on the left. Yes in the white We'll go with her. She just like look sweeter she yeah. She does look sweeter. That might just be the photo but she looks sweet zoe. Emily additional women of the pick. One let. I'll go zoe just because i did. Watch my fair share of new girl. I never saw that show. Yeah it's worth a watch but it's not like the best beyond say or salon smells and that's like that's like unfair one. I mean it has to be beyond say. But like i love salons anyone that can get married in a jumpsuit. Yeah it's gonna be beyond say though. Kate middleton this means easy for me. Pippa middleton is everything. I love her. Okay see i like hey girl. They're both lovely. But i still fun. That's true yeah. Because he's not married to. She's not a royal exactly. I'm bella or okay so this one is actually very tough to but fun fact. Gd's middle name is nora so for an arbitrary reason i'm going to pick g. Yeah well. I feel like even in the housewives i always felt like was more down to earth and like funnier. I think so too takes herself too seriously sometimes fair but they're both so stunning with. It's just like you'll longtime muhammad like why like why would you give us all a disadvantage. I think more emirate. Yes i did. It's lassos perfect. Joe or nick jonas. Okay so my answer is joe because like my number one quality of we're talking like dating list is like a guy that's funny like it's unparalleled for me and joe is easily the funniest jonas brothers. So it's it's joe. Did you watch the the show on the disney channel. It was absolute garbage. But yes i watched it of course stupid. Jonas brothers they have put their name on anything. And i was gonna watch it like it didn't matter a that's true that's true. So joe joe it is Nice nice so. That was the sibling you for like. I know you wanted to pass the first one. I mean that was like a really interesting. I mean who would you. They're both not it. Would you rather have them or one of the baldwin brothers. Oh man those. They're both terrible but just because alec baldwin makes me laugh every saturday night recently. I'd probably go with them. Really really really good okay. So we learned a ton from neuro. What are we learn. We learned about what she thought about. Different couples jay z and. Beyonce and nick jonas jada pinkett smith. I mean we learned everything that we think we need to know right. I think that's helpful. Like i like that. You shared that you were like me and probably won't be dating until this world's at twenty twenty two at this point like knows i know right. Yeah giving out. We'll get another dog. Are you even on the apps anymore. You just turn them all off. I mean there on my phone. But i i never check like hinge. Let me know if someone has liked my page. But i'll wait until there's a million of that you guys have problems then. I don't answer like they'll say hi and i'm so so you because you're in south lake and so you know like for me. I always feel like southlake is the place to go to go like no fine. The kind of man richman. But then i don't go there. Because i'm like is because i feel like there's a bunch of people like me who pretend to levin's off lake in that area. I don't think you should ever go to southlake to date anyone. Just because the. I mean i don't mean that in a bad way most people that live there are just old and married so like the pool of people is actually not even from southlake. It'll be like from surrounding cities and at that point right. I usually set mine dallas. Because that's okay more likely to find like a professional or someone like more actually viable for me So when that's like younger not like sixty five correct. It's like if that's your thing like younger than your parents was the rule so you may be able to find in that range in south lake but they may have a kid. Oh yeah i can't i can't. I'm not mature enough for that life yet. I'm not either paul and you want kids. I know you do. Okay zoric You're going to adopt one of my kids even if it's not yours it's on it's on tape fell the board. What else did you learn from new anything else. Besides all the celebrity she gives me a competition for the celebrity like pop staff like the celebrity news. Usually it's just like my claim to like intelligence pop culture money. She won tonight. Emma i think i okay fine one one eight one b. It's amazing how much knowledge i have about people's lives. Who will never right exactly so working. Everyone finds you nor you can follow my personal page at short and sweet tooth on instagram. And if you wanna listen to our podcast page. it's at. How are we friends podcast. Okay what's short and sweet tooth. So i the thing that i'm working on now. Is i have a food blog and like my company is that and so we're just slowly building may social media presence and then eventually like your company. You're starting a company. I have a bit the instagram like data. Just like really. That's my thing and thing. When i lost my job i was like well. Job market sucks so might as well do something love so i started company. There you go. Yeah so men out there in dallas. You know we can but at this point not dating till twenty twenty should come back. We'll have a line out. The door of men bachelor will be dating sing. And it'll be so fun deal that'd be like the million dollar matchmaker. Yes and she's going to blow by the time we come back. You'll be like a billionaire. I promise it'll be like fate under five feet like matchmaker. Because i'm under five feet and i'll be matchmaking for you to that's perfect look up anything else before we go. I'm i'm kind north. Thank you for your done. Yeah next time. 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Will Smith. Johnjay Van Es. One degree of separation.

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Will Smith. Johnjay Van Es. One degree of separation.

"Hey It's Jj you're listening to today's full show podcast. Once you're done with this and you want more John Jane Rich, go to John Jane Rich Dot Com check out our whole family podcast behind the glass of Bill Delaney afterwards, how to become a terrible person with grant and so much more. They're all at Jane Rich Dot, com. uploading the most listened to radio show on the planet. Shades Taylor Swift's with post malone deliver, and you're waking up with John Jay and rich culture the music. This is John J rich on. Jason Rich Culinary. Judging rich phone number's eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, zero, four, seven. Collis. You can jump on the air this right. Now, you can text us, you can text jr in your message to nine six. Eight, nine, three. Today the weirdest thing happens weekend. So Years ago on vacation. Why. I met this couple. And I talked about them when I came back from vacation because we kept seeing this couple everyday the same breakfast place into becoming friends with them we and we had a at going to a Luau the last night we were there with them. And he turned out to be an independent film director and his wife was ushers nutritionist. Remember that. And she she put me on a cleanser. Some sort of I forget what is your online and then as time goes on, she's got on, she was on red table talks What's her name? Pinkett Smith, her thing. And she was she's the smiths nutritionist. And I'd touch base every once and then eight. A drink that was the official drink of. Of coachella festival, right so she's gone undo some big things. She left me a message over the weekend. There was such a random message that if I told you the message. It's It's just they're just so much to this message that I've listened to it over and over again. That wanted to play for you guys. To just so I just I can't send it to my sister because she actually asked for my sister's helping this message with is her Mona is her name listened to the message hold on all how are you sitting here with Craig's? Jay. one. He can help me with something. So Will Smith one of my clients were heading back onto set to film his next movie King Richard Plays Serena Williams dead but we had a chef come on set to cook for his personal crew every single day, and she can't make it back from Toronto, just with everything that's going on. So somebody who kind of falls in line with my philosophy super healthy available who knows like the? Set Life who can work with a budget What we ended up doing was renting a food track and ordering all the food and stuff like that to get catered delivered onto set but with your sister. Just wondering if you had a contact or anyone, you know who I could talk to you about this that would be great i. think we go back mid to end October. Thank you so much love to you in the family I. Guess let me tear my mind. Went I. Okay. I my my win. Will Smith is doing a movie called Sir Richard So. It's like some William Shakespeare play and I'm lake. Will you're making a horrible mistake? And then I'm going and Serena Williams's ping acting like she plays plays Williams Dad. That's where my mind went first right then then then then I start thinking about, okay. They need a healthy chef for a food truck then I went wait a second. Will Smith is probably playing Serena Williams's dad in the movie of Serena Williams. I was like. A good movie. Totally changed your mind. Could be really good and they're calling it Sir Richard, Whatever Sing Richard whatever whatever it is. I was like, wow, that's going to be really good movie because I've already seen a documentary on their life and it's good like he literally had kids to become a millionaire. He had two kids to become tennis players. Did you know that that's how he had he saw who's watching TV and he saw how much tennis players made and he was like I'm going to have kids to become tennis players it'd be a millionaire. that. So that's like if that's the storyline they go with that's pretty damn amazing it. We got sidetracked to forgot to get the league the League chefs for them 'cause I just kept thinking about the storyline of will. Smith People how I'm. Away from Will Smith I'm one person wave. Like nothing like I know I'm client will Smith. What is if she had to like clarify it's like well Smith. So amazing to me so anyway. my sister's looking for. She'd been looking for three or Scheffer tissue. She said she does three chefs perfect for that. But at best they're all very busy. So if you're listening to this broadcast in, you are a very healthy chef. I can get you a job working for Smith message. ME DM. Alto, wonder whether we're at, you can hear the music in the background you didn't get that. Sounds like a like. The party. Yeah So Kyle, why did you think about quitting your social media this weekend? A few reasons actually. So I know everyone in here watched this social dilemma Netflix's and I finally watched it too and it left me very offended because before I watched the Social Emma is like I mean what am I? Really GonNA learn already know that they place ads in their targeted right at you and their whole goal is to like keep you on as long as possible but watching the actual people who are in charge of facebook and pinterest and all of the things online that we spend so much time on like they know what they're doing and they know it's hurting people and they know that it's literally Tearing. Society apart, and they don't care because of the dollar sign that's attached to it, and so I- since watching it have been. So aware of every time I pick up my phone just out of habit to suggest to even like I don't even care. I just xed out of instagram because I've seen everything and then for some reason I find myself back on and I'm like Oh my God it's happening. This is crazy and I had posted pictures of Addy's birthday party and we kept it really small on purpose literally, it was her and to dance friends that we have seen over the last three or four months and. It's interesting because I, kept it small on purpose you know like with covert I don't want a whole lot of people there and these are you know trusted people and in the comments it was like this isn't what Kobe? Bubble. By you guys are breaking the covert rules and there's in that and then it went totally sideways the to I'm racist because she has to white friends. Like okay. See, this is exactly what the socials lemos talking about how it tears people apart and how it's. It's just I just like reached my limit I was like it's so negative and I'm like I just wanted like to have the pictures on there. So I could look at them and I was like I'm just going to delete like my social media because I don't want to deal with the stress and anxiety of having to think about posting a picture of my daughter at her birthday party. Yeah. You know and I'm. Like why would the comments go that way and I just kind of like ignore them a little bit and then I just responded to the one person who was concerned that apparently I don't care about people who have died from Cova because I had a small birthday party that like we kept it small on purpose because of that meanwhile, I'm dealing with texts from a different mom who's upset that her daughter didn't get invited. Pictures. You gotTA. Leave the trolls and the bottom feeders and not not Linda gets you but it's hard to say that. Know and I normally do. It's like I think most of us deal with that on a regular basis and it's just like the one negative comment that gets you but like. I just don't understand how people assume things about your life that they just don't know know on that social dilemma there's this one part and it we're one of the guys goes I. Think one of the I can't remember which one maybe the Pinterest guy or somebody he's a CEO one, the one of the vendors and he talks addict knows the main guy, the main red guy he was addicted email now he's like I'm addicted email I'm just so addicted email and unlike. What how you? That's the last thing that I'm addicted to. Right. So we're driving home yesterday somewhere my wife and I ain't red light and the kids were all the car in she's on her phone and she's on email and there's nothing going on and I was like you need to watch social dilemma Sherzer yet she's like why? Because you're dictate your email there's like nothing going on and just hitting refresh I could see her just doing it doing it over and over again, and she's like Oh your your phone go totally percent I I. Go over there refresh at a red light not there's nothing there like I'm watching you be addicted when you see someone do it. It's crazy or you put your phone down and you turn you go back and pick up your phone. And it's very disturbing. It's on Netflix is called the social dilemma in it's really educational and really eye-opening. All right judging rich even when the show is over sometimes we just keep talking and now you can hear it listen to the John. Jane waits afterwards podcast on Iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. They pressed him. Let's happen. You're on the air. Hello how are you? Wow it is the coolest thing to be here right now. Cool How are you? Good how can we help you? I I'm looking for I want to get in touch with. This girl and I'm hoping that the power of this show will help me out because I'm sorry I'm super nervous. Her name is Laura and I really WanNa take her out and I I kind of want to be her boyfriend and all that good stuff and I was hoping you can help. We've got a little bit of a guideline here because I know you've been emailing with Delaney and Joey and stuff. So you had a crush on somebody. Yes and? She like a CO worker what? She's she's a she's a friend of mine and she's actually. Funny enough. She's actually my buddies extra. Guy, code there is. How good of a buddy? I I mean like he's one of my closer buddies like we. We've known each other since we've known each for at least ten years now, I? Think almost. Like that? Have you talked. I have not. I have not but they've been. They've been split up for ages. They've been split up for at least like six six months something like that like he's sages. Age How long did they? They did it for two years. Serious would just be clear. So you come to us because there's a girl that you like you have a crush and you want us. To connect you with her, you want us to see if she'll go out with you or what? Yes. How did you said her name's Laura Right how did Laura and your friends relationship end? They just kind of stopped dating I never really Kinda delve into my buddies like explanation they one moment they were and the next moment he was. Going home with another check. So it wasn't wasn't one of those things that. It was it seemed to be a massive deal. What what's your take on this? What do you think? We should know I kinda WanNa know what his relationship is. Laura like do you guys have you guys ever talked before you? Would you consider her like your friend right now? Yeah, I. Mean we're we're kind of friends on instagram and facebook and everything like that. I often try like I talked to our show stories and stuff respond to them we we've definitely seen each other out and and sat and had conversations, but that's really about the extent of it. I? Don't know. It's like, I. Feel like you need to talk to your friend before you know China at least text. Well, here's what we're doing. So on on normally on the show like we do like, let's say, let's say like Miss Connections, we would call them up and we will call Laura and say. We have the sky discussions. Why don't we do this? You do all the work. Preston. You can use our show. You can use our show to do it though, but you do the work we'll get her on the phone. We'll get her on the phone and you have to sell yourself to her does that sound good right your show. That has a good ring to it. I. Was Sell Yourself. Shoot show. My Dad's to tell me when I was a kid I wanted like. I. Get a new bike watch new bike. So yourself tell me why tell me why you should get a bike and I sit there i. wish he would shoot your shot son. Wide Shusha that's you shoot your shot Preston. So we need like a timer ready to give you a timer. We'll get more on the phone and we're going to say we get on the phone. We tell her she's on the air and we're going to tell her we have someone. That likes you. Right. We do that. We have someone that likes you and we're going to give them sixty seconds. Sixty seconds is that a good time with that too long seconds sixty seconds to pitch you on whether or not? You should go out with them and be like who is it? Who is it doesn't matter the in that sixty seconds they're going to tell you who they are and they're gonNA shoot their shot and ask you out. How's that Sound Preston? Press does that sound? I arrested. Okay. So in the meantime, we'll take a quick break. We'll get a timer we'll get we'll get Laura's number. We'll get everything all lined up, shoot your shot. Maybe Yet ready trust in to shoot your shot. That is next which Jane, Rich John, Ritz studying rich. We just created something totally new on our show. It's called shoot your shot. Shop Music. Yes press gonNA shoot his shot. No he likes his girl named Laura who happens to be the ex girlfriend with good friend of his they broke up six months ago dating two years really get Laura. On the phone we got a timer. He's got sixty seconds to shoot your shot. So we're going to get on the phone once she accepts that she's on the radio and we set her up and tell her that someone that likes her Preston. You're ready to go. Right? You got to sell yourself her K.. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA ask her out and you're gonNA. Do all itself stuff and we're not gonNA tell you who you are. It's all you you got at Preston. Okay. Yes. You can't study. You've got to be ready to go you like. This is what you want. You there you wanted this Preston remember that you want you came to us. Let's pump him up. Pressure on it. Are you ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. Hi. Patch lower through. Better. Shoot your shot music. That's pretty, pretty strong. To be aggressive. Shoot your shot y'all. Don't. Hello Hi is Laura available. Listen she. Hi Laura Gordon. Hey. This is the John Rich show calling. Oh How are you? I'm doing I'm doing pretty well, how are you? Good that's awesome. So Hey, we wanted to talk to on the radio. It's okay with you. Sure, okay. Okay, Laura You're part of possible new segment on our show that so far we like part one you were part of part two. Okay. So we're calling this right now or working title is shoot your shot. Shoot Your Shot Laura. Here's how here's how it works. A guy has approached. There's a guy that's approached us. He likes you. He wants to ask you out. Okay. So we'll yeah what we've decided to do we're not gonNa tell you who it is. What we decided to do is give him sixty seconds. To shoot his shop and asked you out to everything. He's going to tell you who he is. His say the reasons you can ask he sixty seconds. We have a timer is a time already rich? Yes it is this year the timer. Series now emotional like a superhero dying takes all the excitement out of the. Dramatic. So it's shoot your shot. So are you ready? Are you cool with this? row. Yeah. Okay. So. So I guess we'll say now we have the person ready. So we'll say we'd sit the person's name like say person's name shoot your Shell I. Okay. Okay. Preston shoot your shot. A high Laura. Preston, how are you? I'm to- I. I felt a dumb flavor about you for a long time I just. kind of a massive. but I shouldn't. Never mind not that's a bad turn a freeze I apologize. Anyway, I've been too scared to ask you and I just love to go out with you I. Genuinely think you'd be most beautiful girl. I've seen. And and we get along really well and I think we'd have a lot of fun together. You know if we give Champs I I mean I've got a good job. I. I drive to two thousand, Eighteen Mazda. You know it's it's paid off. I have no student loans I love I like going hiking and. I also. Hang Out Watch? TV We can net flicks but you know you know not in the creepy. I Love You Up. All Right Laura your thoughts Wow. I'm really taken aback, I didn't I had. Well first of all, thank you Preston that. That's all very that was really sweet. I had no idea that you felt that way. some. Sort of shot. I I kinda figured. You didn't really know but you know yeah, I always liked you. Well and idea. I didn't never got that I mean I would go out with you. It's just I. I. Don't know how you know you're really good friends with my with Dalton with my ex and. I mean I get that. But Like it's it's you know it's his fault. You guys you guys. You're not together. You let go good something good and he's moved on you know. And is. Not going well not going. Out with them, it's just the like we we talked about low x situation. But we get along so. I'm afraid that it would. Have afraid that it might be awkward. Just, give me one shot one day. How about just just one date the two of us go out. Hang out. What do you WANNA do? You Know I. I say let's let's do it. Let's just go out. It. If it gets serious as something starts to Boston, and we you know we bring it up to him and we can tell him but. I. Don't think we need his permission. But guess what? Guess what? We lost it. He's got disconnected or. For trying all this time. Trying. You're sitting there trying to come up with it and I think he just gave up. Either got disconnected or he said screw this embarrassed I'm out of here or he decided to call Dolphin. Nervous he said Oh wait here he is. Is Back I don't know. I guess I could call enough. Pressing back. Pressing we we have pretty good Israel you missed out on this. Preston. Hollow, go ahead. Lord. What's your answer? That's an say, let's let's go for it. You know and if something starts to blossom or get more serious than we'll just We'll let the no, but I don't think we need. We don't need to talk to him about right now I've always I've always liked you to i. A little awkward and weird about it but. They, know right now he doesn't know he doesn't call it doesn't need to know. Yes. If it turns into something. You said, you got a client that happened bid see each other a couple of weeks so you'll care it that. Way To go press way to go Laura congratulations. All right we'll be talking to you shortly on second date update on now when she doesn't call you back. then. That's surely your shot. Shoot your shot. Judge Rich. Leave you on red we reply try US TEXT JR Tonight six, eight, nine, three, John Rich so halloween is right around the corner. In fact, I was at two different places this weekend in saw Halloween decorations one was a house that headed outside. We're all swirl so they play twice but there's this company called yeah and either the ones that make all the Halloween costumes, the sexy Halloween costumes. They've released a sexy tiger king and a sexy tiktok is getting banned costume. Okay. But they do draw the line they're not doing a sexy cova costume. The vice president merchandise said there's nothing sexy about Kobe. Draw, the line there that's true. Yeah. So, what's the deal the information with Simpson's and them replacing voices? They just actually started the new season last night and The show's producers said that white actors would no longer voice non white characters such as Carl. Played by Hank. Zara. Boy. I am so sick of everyone assuming I'm good at basketball because African. American. So. Now, Carl has been replaced by an actor by the name of Alex Desert and he made his debut last night. It's a ball that was featured on I'll drink what fills drinking with Phil. Rosenthal. That's your new Karl on the simpsons. Well, also on family guy, they replaced Cleveland. the guy. Mike. Henry did the Voice of Cleveland? He's a white dude and now they have another guy. In here he is doing the new Cleveland. Voice. Hey. So all the new people who are worried that. I'm going straight to away from performance I. Promise. That is not the case because. Studied my main. He's incredible. I won't let you down I promise. Was poppin winning Peter Griffin Nabi racking widow out of Shawnee abby women a booty stop by Deborah stopped you. Got Daddy he'll be winning Rallo gotTa Daddy who spinning so just likely. Little. But dead on INSKIP ABI exactly. So a guy got thrown in jail for a year. For throwing parties during covid nineteen. So he's in Maryland through two large house parties back in March and the COPS said you can't do that. So he kept throwing parties. So finally I said you're going to jail for a year. Time so here is whose personnel here's the the state attorney talking about it I say look it's not like we just surprised him. It was given a warning it's not like everybody just the police swoop dinars it going to jail gave him a warning. He had at least fifty people there the first day and then two three days later he's doing the same thing in the second day. Of the mind that he's not gonNA cooperate. He's GonNa tell people keep them using plan. These decisions were made for the public good for people safety. We've got two hundred thousand people dead because of the attitudes that Mr Myers demonstrated that particular day. Aren't year a whole year. Like you would think, maybe a five thousand dollar fine. For the whole year I don't think that's were worth it. Suze. What's what survivor horoscopes today about what you enjoy doing when you're completely alone based on your horoscopes sign call us at eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, zero, four, seven. We'll get to that next John Rich. Let's get to horoscopes would go with. Shannon. Hello Chanel little. Gemini how are you? great. How are you guys doing today? Good today Suzanne. What is it? This is what you enjoy doing when you're alone based on your horse signed. So what is it that you do during me time and it could be like a guilty pleasure to so let's see for Gem Nation Age what you enjoy doing alone Gemini is listen to music you pride yourself on your taste in art. So when you're spending time with yourself, you listen to some strange music that's out there. Some say that's guilty pleasure most geminis have at least one song or artists on their play lists that no one has ever heard about this sign likes to explore and listen to absolutely everything they're alone. That's all something. I would do nothing nobody else is ever heard Dad's in Lee I would love to see your plane they. Don't forget a guilty pleasure I'm guilty. Arch, they have a great day. Pat. What's your sign? Gordon Scorpio's all right. So I feel is what you enjoy doing alone is read everyone knows this sign is very passionate and romantic. Now they truly enjoy the company of another person. But when a Scorpio's time into bed at nine at night and his alone, they love to curl up with a romantic novel. They enjoy reading about other people who are passionate just like they are. Wow, that's one hundred percent accurate. Love that Ruby. What's your sign? Agitators. Sagittarius Okay Rubio Sagittarius just like Delaney will you enjoy doing alone is over preparing We Know Sagittarius love to travel, but they're not the best planners sign this signs guilty pleasure is buying a necessary thing sometimes travel supplies even if it's not about traveling, this line can buy too many outfits for an event in the future in the future just to be prepared to preparing is good but this needs a little help with overdoing it. I remember dealing with all kinds of outfits like when quarantine like Colbert just began it. She's like I. Don't even know what I'm going to use these outfits for we're not going anywhere the fashion show for. Right. Piper. Go what do he got that'll John Jay for you? I don't know if you will necessarily agree with this. But if you enjoy doing alone is drinking at says, you're always trying to be the best and you work really hard. Therefore when you get home, you sometimes just want to unwind. So a virgos guilty pleasures going to be a little bit of booth it could be a nice glass of wine or maybe some whisky. You just need something to help you relax when you're finally finished working for the day. Never done that. Rigging Drake I remember. Fascinated by people who'd go to a bar by themselves the WHO does that? homages. Drink. Wine. Your Wife. Blake, she loves wine. Have Line I don't know she's like. Loves wine. Like I thought you were going to say I like to do terrible things to myself with a fork. Would you deny that though? I'd be like Oh, my God. Do. Be All alone. I just thought wow, that's really time. I've I've seen horse. Go back. Yeah. They could. You imagine everything over go out there doing that when they're alone. Alvarez like yeah. Thank you for being our voice. Oh John J. You never super. You always surprise me. Never. Ever. Seem to amaze me and there you go. Okay. Oh. For Libra will you enjoy doing alone is emotional eating. This sign is always trying to make sure that you do everything right you work on keeping the peace and making people happy. Therefore at the end of the night when no one is looking libra tends to grab whatever's in the fridge and just eat their feelings away. Emotional eating is what libra go-to and no one is around to judge them I would not agree with that when I'm emotional I don't eat. Oh, it's the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Just thing. This. Island. Maybe maybe I don't know maybe that maybe maybe like the stressor aloneness as with I don't I don't know. When you are alone like what is this something that you do? Just like listen to music or watch TV. Okay. You have before you just. Zone out with music. You know what I'm feeling a little. I'm feeling a little gym today. This is getting. Rich Pisces enjoy doing alone is eating unhealthy foods to go, and we know this is very creative and artistic Pisces love to create beautiful things just from the raw-materials materials. However, you're guilty pleasure. Pisces are store bought baked goods when you feel like you don't have the time and you're completely alone, you rather eat whatever is there. That's true. In fact, I'M GONNA. Shop Grocery shopping yesterday to the actual store and I bought like one of these little cakes for my kids in there there around I won't touch it. But when everybody's gone. And Capricorn, and what you enjoy doing alone is eating the weeds. The sign is known to be very responsible and very serious everything you do has they function and purpose they're constantly trying to better themselves and don't easily give in to temptation except when it comes to your sweet tooth when no one is looking to go all in for the cookies and the ice cream and the cake, the this I don't necessarily agree with that because I don't have a sweet tooth. I'm sure other capricorn do but I'm like a rather go grab a bag of chips than in finish the entire baggage salty stuff is my go-to. That's my guilty pleasure. Battles Salty the line Tito's. This yesterday, a whole bag of duckie's this weekend cooking. The Blue One o those go with a box of those mouse. I mean a box is taller you in room. Kidding you when I tell you that saw Scott. I gotta give I. GotTa. Get My blood tested today. You know. So you can't you can't can't eat. Now you know what I mean and I don't can appointment. There's no my wife's like just walk in. Right. So I don't know how long that's going to take going to be miserable, right? So I can't eat any get off the air. Just. saw this thing about. How a wake up things that people do to wake up in the morning already took a cold plunge, but the number one is listening to music going for walks going through social media. Already I've already done all that drinking a glass of water, turn the lights on wash your face, a cold water I, took my whole body cold water. Shower brush your teeth and the number one thing to wake up in the morning. And he guesses anyone's who's edited guesses jump around. No. No rich thing drink coffee. Not. A. Natural ways. Energy drink drink coffee to get my blood tests. Probably. Would raise everything it raises your blood pressure. GonNa Conference through things we need to know well, animals may not appreciate a covert vaccine. I'll tell you three things you need to know next to a John Jane rich when the show is over, we just keep talking and now you can hear listen to the John Jay Enrich afterwards podcast on iheartradio or on I tunes south of the show today I got to get my blood tested and I was concerned of what I can eat drink in Heidi knows, Heidi? What can I drink? Walking have coffee with black. What about energy drinks? Law, that wouldn't that wouldn't be the same but lots of water because that definitely helped. Coffee so gross. Black Coffee. Thanks Heidi. Thank you very thanks. What do we need today? Okay. So it was a big day over the weekend president trump nominated judge Amy Kuney Barrett to the Supreme Court trump hailed her as a woman of remarkable intellect and character Obviously, she will fill the seat vacated after the death of Ruth. Bader Ginsburg well, experts are saying that around a half, a million sharks may be slaughtered in an effort to make. A Corona virus vaccine. So I guess sharks actually make this oil in their liver that is already used in some medicines including the flu shot and also is used in some of the candidates for a Kobe nineteen vaccine out they say if one of those particular vaccines are used worldwide experts believe two hundred and fifty thousand sharks will need to be slaughtered to provide one dose for each person. Now on Sunday yesterday. I got to lighten up a little bit because get a little heavy, right. So if you were watching NFL football, he may have noticed something totally random and kind of fun in the stands. At the Broncos game you would've noticed literally the entire city of South Park characters, stage, melting, large portion of their dance with them There were actually about five thousand human fans in attendance but along with them was you know respect and I thought. Even, the devil was there, they were all there. Probably never to promote Wednesday comedy central's airing an hour long south park pandemic special but still kind of fun and random to see you know what I mean have fun with empty seats about three things you need enough to get into any TV and movies I saw a movie this weekend. That, on the surface so is going to sound silly but it is a game changer like it hit. My wife was making fun of me for watching this movie. Now I'll tell you. How I stumbled upon this movies, there's a mix up of how I stumbled upon this movie but this movie blew me away and I recommend it to every single person every single person John Dean Rich. We'll tell you about this movie I saw. And if anyone saw this movie, please call impact me up. It's on Netflix. Called my octopus teacher. Okay. Preview. I hadn't even heard of that. Okay. If you've seen it call eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one. Oh, four, seven now. Let me explain. With my son Dutch and we were swimming in the Pool, he says Dad I would pick up free diving. What's that? He's I guess we just go underwater you hold your breath you down. He's like I. saw this on Tiktok. This guy goes underwater and he's like friends with this octopus. And like Oh, that's cool. So anyway, he he's telling me about it. Cut to I'm with one of those on board moments. Right turn on Netflix to see what's on. And a see the scenes says my octopus teacher. How would you turn it on the preview starts to play. I'm like Oh. This must be the thing Dutch saw. And I, thought he said Tiktok what he probably meant. Netflix. And I thought. Wow my son. Like stopdown out of video games out of whatever in watched this movie second hour and a half documentary on this guy, this octopus. And I couldn't believe that he did that. So I thought I'm going to sit here and watch it. So I started watching this movie. It's unbelievable. So here's the story. This guy is from South Africa. And he grew up in this little place. There's a little cove. And it's beautiful this cove and he goes swimming snorkeling day and he slows down to the bottom of this little cove and he sees his. And he's the I. Guess He's out of work or something. So he goes. I'm going to go down there every day and check on this octopus. So he sets a camera down there and the octopus fills goes over the camera and films in touch the camera, right? In every day, this guy goes no matter what happens every day this guy goes out in films and films octopus. And develops a connection with this octopus. And like has feelings for this octave and the octopus is the same like octopus like comes out and trust him now swims with him and plays with him. Everything touches his face, and and then like there's predators that come after this octopus like a shark attacks as with A. Rips this octopus. Armagh. In, each his arm and he's got all the footage of the shark ripped his arm off towards the camera with the arm in it, and like an octopus is skin color is down you think. Die, and also he sees weeks later and it gives you the date will say fifty four days seventy, five days of every day, and then all of sudden you see little stuff starts growing back knocked his arm grows back like Kurt. About Ryan And then he just follows his life, his October, and then a huge shark comes after his octopus again and he's follows whole story the octopus and it has like a sad ending. And then it's like and I'm a little. Sad. And bummed me out and then so I went up the Dutch dinner last night and I'm like Mike Man Dutch I watched the my teacher octopus, these I. Think. It's a tiktok video about a guy in Hawaii I said, no, no is the movie on Netflix about the guy. South Africa. knows. A couple of guys in Hawaii, the free diving in the grabbed and octopus. It's on, Netflix. He's is on Tiktok. and. It goes to show you and he graduates Tiktok, his phone and each shows me this little tiktok video these dudes that are just jumped around in Hawaii and the grabbing octopus having his hand like chicken all. And it's like totally what I was watching. That I had as maisy moment with my teacher octopus teacher Oh. Right? Right. What what do you think of Octopus Teacher That my five year old with me Saturday and he actually put one on the House I thought it was really awesome. I got on there and I found the director and I said the Director Message Lalo. Like the and then the Octopus Fan Club of the world jammed me back and said, hey, next job. Actually. Ninety six percent on rotten tomatoes from the audience. But no none from like the critics. I don't think. It's unbelievable I'm telling you guys go out of your way and see this. You'll. I knew nothing about octopuses not even from finding dory I mean Hank was a Septa pus. It's uncomfortable. In this guy, he's talking about octopus and starts crying when you see the end of this movie. It's it's an I want at one point with activists got lost his arm and was dying. He thought this guy you know how these guys they don't break nature. They don't want to interfere. She's like cracking open lobster or cracking open oysters and feeding the octopus, right? So. Yeah, and then and then it's like then there was a point where I thought he should have stepped in and he didn't step in. Ju It's an unbelievable movie. It's called my. Teacher. It's Netflix and I can't stop thinking about. In. A million years that a you'd even watch that let alone be interested and then be so affected by it. I'm telling you why because I thought Dutch watched it. Should make you watch. Over. Anyway, so where are you guys on Ratchet I finished a and I thought the ending was pretty good at I think a season to definitely coming for sure it doesn't end Cuckoo's nest. Okay now you fish two. Dead but I did not. Still have like a half an hour. So this show. It goes somewhere kind of boring to episodes, but then kinda comes back and they. Okay. Now I'm okay with Being Board for episode or two because they came back strong lots of people die. You. Hook the entire time that was really good show. I really enjoyed the acting like just the actors themselves. The story was pretty messed up, but it was it was fascinating. Well, I started the this is the show about the insane asylum. It's a Prequel to one flew the coop snacks and has called ratchet. It's about nurse Ratchet There's a scary moments in it where I feel like I can't I don't WanNa, watch it night sailing, watch it in the daytime because I don't want to have any kind of bizarre nightmares. So actually had a little bit of a nightmare by the last night, but my nightmare was mostly me trying to mother-in-law to watch it. It was. And she would watch it. I don't know it was a dream, but I'm at least it wasn't about that. She didn't respect your TV credit dream and that killed you. I'm at the part where. They boil that woman. That's where I'm at right now. Little. Yeah. So but I did also watch episode six, the Boys Oh keep getting better and better. You could but it's just like these crazy just twist. that. Show is so good. I think you'd like it. and. If you don't like it I mean there's one I if I tell you about this one scene, the guy with the huge penis. I didn't see that. That's just the crazy thing about the show. It's they things you would never expect never expect, but it was laugh out loud galerias. Funny. and. It was really well done. How many episodes are there six hundred? Foreign on on that show and it is really disturbing. But also Hilarie I look forward to I'm so you know it's actually I'm okay with just getting one week because it is a lot. When you see one episode, you're like, what did I just to watch? So it's kind of. Like way for the other one, sister told me to watch in Nola Watson and that's number one on the flex right now. Yeah. That's a movie though not a series. Oh, it's a movie. Yeah I believe. So Oh I don't know I started watching sneaker heads juicy stiegler heads. Watching that Number ten. Watching it over the weekend. It's okay. It's okay. It doesn't me hooked just yet. Anyway. So speaking of TV, we get into TV because we want to get into the TV that messed you up right 'cause ratchet missed you. Oh Yeah. Oh, yeah. I want to hear about the sleepless next really kept me up. Okay. We're going to get into that next John Jane Rich. Taxed. We don't care text Jj and message tonight six, eight, nine three or so the number one show. NETFLIX's right. Now it's ratchet nurse Ratchet. It's a scary bloody grizzly show. It's a dark show by the same people who do American horror story. And it's messed up rich right it's messed you up. You know in fact, the last show to mess me up was season one of American horror story. So it's the same people they must know how to get me and I don't want to give away too much of the plot but I'd say there was one of the nights we'd have to get up super super early. So I watched about three or four of the episodes. Back to back. So you get sucked into this entire world that they have this assane saint asylum. That's a former SPA in the nineteen forties or late nineteen forties, and there's something that just when I think maybe nurse Ratchet might have some conscious tour. She takes somebody who's totally innocent. All they did is witness a murder and she makes him incapacitated for the rest of their life in the gross way possible and I couldn't sleep. I know it's fake I know I know talking about when she with? That part guy that got me way so far the show has it messed me up. Yeah. Messed me up with that show I an I mean I in in what messed me up is rich told me about it I. So I knew it was coming in I was terrified that it was coming and then when I saw, it was terrifying to to me this little things that messed me up and this is the part when Sharon stone goes to feed her son and he's got no arms and legs. I'm right I and I was like. He's got norm two legs. He's in bed and he's screaming that he wants dessert I that stir the hell out of me. Late Parts hearing you guys say that makes me watch it around noon and I'll watch it for fifteen twenty minutes. I don't like scary movies and what sucks is I told you guys about the show I did. That's what sucks. I like like I think about shows or things that I've seen that have messed me up and I I go straight to the most recent one which was golden state killer that documentary the. Finishing. Yes. That women and stuff that gets me like I. This is the first serial killer show that I haven't been able to finish not because it wasn't fascinating because it was. So terrifying will the other show SPF is on the other side of that is the movie just watch the octopus teacher. Up in a in a different way. It's I got emotionally attached. If you guys take an hour and a half out of your day and watch this movie, the octopus teacher it's GonNa give you a different perspective on how we are all in this together I, want I sound like an airline. Are, like we are when you go swimming in the ocean like you're part of it. It's it's it's an amazing. It's an amazing movie about the world and animals and how we are all one. It's beautiful. It's beautiful at the end of it. I was a mess. But when you talk about shows, mess you up though there's one movie, the One TV show, it's the killing season one, the season, two of the killing. On Flex. Then, it's this guy in the car talking to his counselor. He's a homeless kid he's talking to his counselor. and. Having this conversation about south and he's like I'm doing great and he's okay great. The counselor says to the kid getting the back seen take off your pants and he goes I'm not gay and he goes neither mine. and. Then cut to the next scene and it just so disturbing your mind where your mind goes there. Those are the ones that are the most disturbing things at all because your mind has to go someplace, they lead you down a path and it's like that is so dark. So dark. So we want to hear from you about TV shows or movies that messed you up. Eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, the scene I just talked about the killing has nothing to do with the show at all. That's what. has nothing to do with old show. Eight seven seven nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, one here from you next John Rich. Leave. Your. A. Real. Quick. Before we do this, the Mariah Carey thing. Yeah. The mercury thing. Oh, which one. Is the one where she has. She had an alternate album. The ran up like back in the day she actually recorded an alternative song and when you hear it, you have to go really but when you listen closely you mariah. Makes Sense it was. It was the time of Atlantis Morissette where like she was all over the radio so it makes. The because I felt like Pearl Jam in Nevada there. Yes. She said she was grunge inspired but I mean like there was some there was some cools lantis. was everywhere back then. That was her alter ego nineteen, ninety six. still on Amazon? Might get. Why should we want to know about what TV shows or movies messed you up? Richard Pretty messed up by seen from ratchet, which is on Netflix right now shelby. What messed you up? With cat. Budget scenes from there in fact but when you say that I have one goes in my head, but which one was for you. So for me well, I love cats are my favorite animals I've choose. So I was like holding them him like near dear to my heart when this happened. But when he puts the cow on the end of the room before he put it in the bath, you could just see the fear in it is. I I couldn't sleep for like a month and a legit had to go to therapy. Yeah. You're was for me is when you see him in the security footage, go into. Complex with the guy and he walks out, he kills a guy and you walk out wearing the shirt. Yeah That was crazy. Show is terrible. It was terrible right? Thank show. Sarah, what movie or TV show Messed you up. It's a movie called Gone Baby. Gone Yes. Casey Affleck in it. No it's it's been. It's GonNa come back. Gone Baby Gone. What's that GONNA fight girl? Yeah Oh God be gone. That's the depressing. One right is that it's really really depressing. I know that one I know the story of that one I. in fact, I knew the story I decided not to see it it because the storyline. But yeah. Really. Messed you up. it's just a question in the end of what is right for Bronx like is it it better that this little girl is taken from a drug addict mother or is she better better off with this person who took her So for me, it definitely was I think she should have gone back and social services should taken over but it's just what I talked to. They have different opinions about it your. Lisa saw my office teacher. Thank you. Lisa what do you think first of all that that messed you up to. Yes in a positive way and I was just calling to back you up. It's an amazing movie and I wanted to share about it when I first saw it. But I thought it just sounded so silly like it's not an occupancy. MAZING beautiful but I just I wanted to back you up. I was so glad to hear you say that it's it's it's a beautiful movie. You know what? I don't know how it works with Academy Awards, but I think it'll win an academy award. Ted It's amazing. Tell you this. I still think about it I saw a couple of weeks ago and it's just it's such a just it moves you and just the relationship that they build and and he actually is a films at film director film artist and he was really depressed and that's why he was going underwater every day and and just, and even the ending even at Saturday's as it is like I I agree cried. it's still like it's still like quick in a sense Specht. So beautiful. Wanted to back you up, take you take the I. It's like I WanNa talk to talk I don't WanNa ruin the ending but I have these thoughts like I felt like he could have done stuff. Do you know what I mean? Like I wanted I wanted him to like put her into the. You know what I mean is it sad does your octopus teacher become your Calamari appetizer at the? No no not not. No it's just it's so traumatic. It's it's such a beautiful movie. It's just so it's so well done. There's no movie like it. Too long ago to four of when it came out of beautiful day. This Kovic. Steph. Sensitive No. But I can tell you that I, my estrogen levels of through the roof right now. Fact. You. Do Scares me. But I know where this is going. But I, promise you you. If you see this movie, it's a it's a it's a life changing movie. It's so good. Anyway thank you Lisa. And what movie messed you up for TV show. Or is the trials of Gabriel Fernandez Oh yeah up. Yes. There are so many of them out that would outline was terrible. Horrible it's so sad. Just thinking about it makes me emotional. Message to. Explain would cry yes and it made you like I. Don't know about you. But it made me like faith in our system Absolutely. It's a one person who's supposed to love you the most betrayed you and it's such a beautiful little boy and just speak on and to see everything was just so emotional every day is that still on somewhere streaming. Try It. Actually. I think that disturbed you John Jay so much you it would watch. Not There yet where I can just. Do that I have to when when I know what the story lines about it's just terrible. Yeah thanks Sarah What about you what what? TV Show or movie messed you up. it came out a long time. It was called the cell with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Lopez. And the pretext is they have this machine that you can get into and it gets you into the mind of another person and they go into the mind of a serial killer to try to find his victim that he's got. That he's being held hostage and he's in a coma, it is visually amazing and stunning. But the things that like Jennifer Lopez is the one that goes into this killer's mind and you see and it was so disturbing that after that my roommate and I had to watch dude, where's my car just to not? True. Found Fascinating Thank Sarah Thank you Susan what movie or TV show messed you up. uncut gems that I don't stand liver. It's just it's so dark. You can't root for anybody and at the end, they just need to shower in a hug. Clark got halfway through that visit. Will they what? What? What is it because the anxiety or just bad people It's the anxiety about people. It's loud. It's I mean I know it's intensive dramatic for man it's just You just feel icky at the end of it and it is hard to see Adam Sounds Bat. Exactly. Gilmore you do feel like, okay. I need to get away from this in watch something else. John Jane, rich use your phone. The way it was originally designed to be used talking to other humans call us at eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, John Jay and rich Laura. You're on the air. Thanks for holding out. I just wanted to say that I, love shoot your shot i. really think that you should. You know open it up to anyone really who wants a shot at anything? I think you said it best John J like when you were a kid, you had to like sell yourself for the things that you wanted. So I think that would be a great segment. Okay. So opened up. So other than wanting to ask somebody out what else is there a promotion? What do you think Laura yes. A job. like if you wanted to. Do something and your husband didn't want to like you can help put him in you know get him or you know if it's like a teenager and he wants to do something and his parents you know on the lying about it like shooter shoot. Sure your shot like, why shoot? Why do you deserve the new X. box or the playstation five? That's good. Okay. We could do you know shoot the poop that can be podcast where we talk. Another one. s while. Next. Okay. That's good. Okay. Very. Good. All right. Thank you like okay. Now here's we're GONNA get into? An the reason we're going to get into this this next thing is of Suzanne and Mr Baby Explain Susannah. So why we were talking about this the other day, but Mr Baby was like, do you remember what you spent with your first paycheck because I remember my first paycheck I thought I. Was Bolland like little over one hundred bucks and I ate out all the time Oh spotting my friends I came in get whatever you want on the Menu I. Got You. He was so excited about that and I was like, what did I do with my first paycheck and I told them that because my first job was in and out Burger? And you have to buy your white pants that you wear. So I told him I was like I with my first paycheck I got another pair of white pants. I had to buy my shoes and the rest of the money was for gas because I, it was like a forty minute drive to work, and so he looked at me like with like his face was just sad he's like that is that's horrible. That's what you spent your first paycheck on l. you're so responsible. And if. I. Didn't think of you know buying anything crazy. So he was just so bummed out for me. So other than rent and bills, right? Yes. What did you spend your first paycheck? God that because as soon as you said that I, know I know exactly because I lived with my parents and then I got a job like my first real paycheck and I know exactly what I bought and I still haven't. I still have it to this day I. Look at it almost every day. I'll tell you next eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, zero, four, seven, we want. What did you buy with your first paycheck? John Jane Rich. Was the first thing you bought with your first real paycheck. CLEO. Hi. My. Mom's taking my cellphone away. Then she paid the bill and also with my with my first check I went and got a cute little cricket now phone six hundred take away from anymore. Thanks cleal. Nick how about you? I thing you've already paycheck. My engineering paycheck we were going to fort peaks free in Tempe Arizona. Driving my girlfriend had just gotten a brand new car three days old pink cars that she absolutely loves this car and I made a wrong turn and I made me go into this dark area where I made a u-turn now does making you turn a biker ran directly into the car broke his bike, broke my girlfriend's brand new car and how to pay for the car to get sick and the biker. Fact. Got Pay paid. I got. This. I didn't even I didn't even get my first paycheck yet gave coming the next week. So I work hours and my paycheck for something the next week but it's fine. We're still in a relationship. Six. So we're. Just drive pink car. No she sold it and got a jeep which I do like more theft. She has a pink cheap, but always wants tour. I think. Hey. Porsche. You're on the air. With my birthday Jack a tattoo that I got done in a garage that I hit from my mom I two years. Garage. Yeah, Gary. I was sixteen but you know. Tattoo. On my shoulder, it's a hard aground. It's a band I used to listen to when I was in junior high and high school. and. I look at it every day I mean it's a little bit of a regret but I I to my first paycheck emperor, Tattoo who's the band. It's called him. I do not listen to them anymore. They changed other her FDR. Latino Them. I'm Richard you're on the air. What did you get with your first paycheck? So my first. One hundred and twenty seven dollars and my mom and dad made he pay for my rental Tuxedo from my cousin's wedding which one hundred and eight dollars You'll never forget that. No I don't know. Richard Thanks J. Junior year on the. First paycheck would you get what you by? Junior. You're breathing. All right anyway. So my first paycheck, so I had I had to. Two Jobs, my I was at the check cashing place, right so cash checks all through college to get my way through school, and then my first radio job. So I had to first paychecks if you will. To major purchases with my first paycheck first paycheck. I bought. And from what? I understand from people that this is very valuable now. About Nineteen ninety-two because it was in nineteen, ninety two. I bought a Schwinn Bicycle Beach cruiser a Schwinn and I still have that in my garage now are I mean they're they're? Solid to Schwinn beach cruiser in. It's awesome in. It's still awesome and sometimes my son gets on it and right rides it and I get a little emotional This is like man about that. Get your ass off my bike. That kind of emotional. Let's get on it. And then. This just came up the other day. I bought. With my first radio paycheck I bought a custom surfboard. It cost me six hundred bucks and I still have that in my garage. It was awesome and the reason it came up the other days because the guy who made my surfboard. I met somebody that knows him and I was star struck because the guy used to design surfboards and my dad's apartment complex and I would watch him designed surfboards. I was someday I wanna make enough money where you can design my surfboard he was right and and I would watch him make surfboards and finally. Six hundred bucks and I had it and he designed my support he put his name on it and it's like I know. But in the surf world, it's kind of a big deal. This guy except now he quit needed makes he makes kites reports or what do you call it, Kite, surfing. In Hawaii and Australia now, and you still have that still have this report, but it's old and it's like it's gross. But it is sentimental. I took it surfing a couple of years ago. And people looked at me weird. Surfing, is changed. You got a lot of stuff in your garage do. Is the biggest problem I wife wanted to clean out the garage weekend and I was like come on, we're in the middle pandemic. Anyway. My son wanted to go to eat at this restaurant yesterday that I didn't WanNa go to can we go to so and so and? We're GONNA. Move a pandemic. Like. Let's get tacos. anyways sell. In case, you don't know the way things work at the radio station. You know we got Joey Brad Fischer Audio Ninja, engine the back. And then we got new Guy Nick right new guy nick backs up Joey. and. Nick. Listens to every single thing that happens on the show and then whenever one of us on the show has like a crutch or something, he highlights it. And he collects audio. and. What you think is. A. Ton Of minority does he said he's working on a bunch yours I don't know if this is on you but he says he has a new one. He's got a new montage. We don't know who it's about but the last time he was here, he said he had a whole bunch on. So New Guy Nick has a new audio presentation on somebody on the radio. So we'll find out next with John Jane rich the full show podcast the afterwards podcast and more from the Johnny Rich Network searched John Jay enrich on itunes or I her radio. By New Guy, naked studio audio of our audio guys, and he is captured something and he's made something. Going to make us feel insecure. Okay Nick What are you got? Hey, guys. Do you WanNa talk about crutches today? Talk about crafts purchase go ahead. Audio crutches. So, this one is you know. God Love You John Jay. Album I have. been noticing this over the last couple of weeks specifically, I John runs a show and there's a million things going on at a time I any time he's resetting there's something he says. All right. All right. All right. All right. Up to. This. Generous. Argue play game. The horoscopes. Time for arts time for Life Hack. Signed a place who sets game? Owen said by I want to get into. With you guys so. All right. Thank you. Never know. I. I have because a lot of times. Bill Delaney will send over teases for me of what I'm going to say and these a lot of times if you guys can scroll up here and see that they'll. All right. Alright right. So Starts so so Are you pulled? Say Right amount for me sometimes to say a say it on my own all the time too. But I'll look at it and but I'm wondering if they're writing it because that's how I talk. Mean is another one. Percents. Good Pool Bone Dick. Was Good Show I. We always played twice. So go ahead. Right. All right. All right. All right. Let's get, into Ellen DeGeneres. Argue play game. The horoscopes? Time for arts time. For Life Hack. Signed A place WHO SETS GAME Owen said. I want to get into bio tries up with you guys so. Thank you mick. Also have an okay. Okay. Yeah Yeah. Listen those. Again, there's so much that I have now. My transition, a third transition from one segment to the other. Because I'd go. All right. Thank you nick today. Places. Game Beach Suzanne. So. If you can identify hit songs on the radio justice, fast issues map then you can win it. We're GONNA. Play that next judging rich. play, beaches an Kelsey. In High Kelsey. Shoes that's the host is that how do we play I? Play Very Popular Song for you. You get to here for a couple of seconds. Then you tell me the artist and the title of the song before the Buzzer I can give you two point. You can also get one point if you just give me the title or the artist, but there is a theme tied into beaches them today, and that's a car theme. So you'll hear the song. If you remember what car they mention in that Thong, you will get an extra point. Okay you. And you can. You can wait after the buzzer low give me you know the type of car that they mentioned. So you know be lenient with that. Are you ready? Kathy? We're GONNA. Start the game with John Jay's. Songs that? And I don't know my back I. Think the talk about my back. That is Jay Z. Re Anna and Kanye that's run this town and the car that they mentioned is Raffour. Grab. A good about that. I thought they said rat what do you think wrapped four? Yeah. What do you think I rap for put China row four. But you got Jay Z. so John J you are on the board with one point up next is rich. Friends in. The. To Halsey Never. It's Halsey. With chain smokers in closer and they're in the fronts, the backseat of a rover. Now, that is east side. And Khalid, made me think extending myself but that is all the end. The the car that the mentioned is corvettes other. So you, you set Halsey. So you've got a point there rich. Rich you wait for fat Joe Pravada. Let's right. Anybody. Hip Hop Song. All right on the board with one point Kyle over to you. Love what am I? Okay, that's beyond say the cars made back in believe that's also part of the name of the song. The song is called top off. To. Make. Very, nice of has two points taking the lead right there because I was beyond say DJ calendar Jay Z on the on the song to are a CALC- it's your turn. To. Talk. Chain smokers. Along I, can't think of the car or the song. That is chain smokers with halls the. Closer and the car. Is Rover. Back. Gave it to me. I'm, stupid psychic. Until a pathetic. I should've I should've taken the hint. All right. Next time it's all right Kelsey. You got one point by saying the chain smokers are I. So we got John J. Rich tied with one point. Kyle has two points round to back over to John Jay. Don. T know what the Hell's us on Old Town road. Yordano it's because he he gave. Billy Ray Cyrus. He gave a car was it a Ferrari? He gave them a Maserati. Gay Car. Gave me call. For, SH-. He got old town road right before that. You didn't say. He did okay. Okay. All right. All right John John the lead away three points very nice up next is rich. Box. that. Never. A Taylor Swift. That is. But. The the car she mentions is, of course, an old Ford truck. Chevy truck just. Sorry my daughter if you're listening. Should know this. Oh, he met at your. Her she made a country playlist and it's like all Taylor swift and blink. Nothing else. Maybe came Brown. Yeah. So it is Taylor swift fungus called Tim McGraw. McGrath. Rich has two points. Kyle over to you tell them well. Down I have an enemy. Fights. Bill S. WE'LL call why you brought it. Really. Yeah I'M GONNA get a zero on this one. I. Am going to make a wild guess of UH. Whip. Something that rhymes with whip. said. That's actually what Cardi B. and. The whip PLOP. Cardi B. Making the salient and they mentioned a mack truck debt. Big. To go to Disney. that. Super. Dirty. Sorry Kyle, we have a rich Kyle tied with two points John. Jay has three points played cathy. If you get three points right here, you will have four and you will be John Jay okay. Right. All right. Good luck. As we own a block. Seven Fifty in Utah Snow. Trunk into front that. That is while by Post Malone and they mentioned a whack. Got A. Nice Job Kelsey. I thought you. So putting my brain starts going to think about other cars and other songs have cars and I can't. There's one. lose one and it was it was a hit was in talks about like a Toyota Camry what funds we like rappers that are always Bugatti and lamb bows and my back's when they talk about a normal car. That's. What? I thought for sure you would use Rockstar with Purple Lamborghini too obvious for this game. That's actually the tiebreaker. Right? There is the separable Emmer Games. Guinea you're thinking of the thinking of the actual purple. Rick, Ross We in the news hotel. COTY. I woke up. Yeah. Risk if somebody car songs. Yeah there's there's Mustang, Sally. You want to go in your Mustang. So many hang sally now be tried to go. You'll be hearing it now you're listening to. I had a couple random things I. saw about. Did you hear about these social influence influence popped using a studio in L. A. Look like they're inside a private jet? Lame Guy Pennsylvania used a drone to drop explosives near his ex's house has been sentenced to five years in prison or. Someone on Tick Tock recommended that everyone in generations get a matching tattoo. And he didn't realize Vega Swastika. So no one. Got It. It's see the city of Lake Jackson Texas is warning people not to drink the water after a brain eating Amoeba was found in the water supply to tip. Yeah. Don't you? Real Janeiro has delayed its carnival parade in February because of the pandemic first time it's been delayed since nineteen twelve when he was suspended after the death of a top politician. A congressman in Argentina has resigned and listen to this with shame. He was seen kissing his girlfriend's bare breasts during a remote session He didn't realize things broadcast on YouTube. Nobody told his. Co., how are you? been. Privy to that greeting. A couple in Italy. Met In March when they started talking from their balconies, face each other. they live in Verona Italy. So people started calling them the real life Romeo and Juliet because we're talking about Kenny favor on and it looks like the couple were have a better ending though because Romeo Juliet Marine died. Because I just got engaged. And the sequel to bore at two is coming out. Do you see what the name of it is? The sequel called Borat. Gift of pornographic monkey to vice premier mikhail pants to make benefit recently diminished nation of Kazakhstan. No Way. That's. Title. Yeah boy at vs member what borough one was called. It was called Bora at cultural learnings of America for make benefit Glorious Nation of Dan. So that was we just call the BORAT. So everything to call Borat to probably yeah for sure Yup. Tino TIKTOK is saved yet. Again, I'll tell you three things you need to know next with John Jane Rich. Now back to John Enrich cowed, we need to know. Explain its own little game of survivor. So last night, a judge actually blocked the federal ban talk which was set to start at midnight. This is what will be removed from the APP stores they wouldn't be able to do updates anymore. So for now, you can keep talking until a full court hearing that hasn't been set yet happens. Thought, they had a buyer. The buyer at the sale has not gone through and it hit the deadline last night. I know that's what I'm saying it's like a little game of their own survivor things. It's like we have a buyer hasn't gone through yet, but then we're saved by the federal judge. So yeah. So Bottom line you can keep talking away because I'm going to talk last night for with the bed had no idea that all this is going on behind the scenes now. So I'm guessing you're gonNA, wish that this was happening before the date they're going to do this but Google said that they're going to block ads related to the presidential election after the polls close on November thirteen th this email to all their advertisers saying they're not going to allow ads referencing candidates the election, or it's outcome given that an unprecedented amount of voters will. Be counted, Election Day. This year I'm guessing we would all like to see the political ads stop right now but that's not gonNA happen. But literally after the polls closed on November third, say Goodbye Amazon's annual Prime Day is usually in July. They've given unofficial new day for prime days because it's two days Tuesday October. Thirteenth Wednesday October fourteenth. You can get an all the amazing deals that you get on Prime Day of course, you have to be a prime member you can enroll. That's things you need to know October tenth is love pop day. Courage everybody to post pictures of you and your dogs with the Hashtag. Love pup days. According to. New, survey. Three out of four people with dogs say yes at some point. They have canceled plans so they can hang with your dog three out of four people. only one in three people don't know with cats. And the average person with a dog or cat has more than one dog. Average percents. One point seven dogs cat owners at one point nine dogs. That's weird. So weird looking cat. Your cats are probably encouraging you to leave. Like we haven't been home and I feel bad I'm like you. I got to spend time with the dogs especially when they're puppies like I gotta go by. This dog house right now his name's betty and he's a poodle mix and he I think he's under a year. He was hit by a car. Right? He's doing great now but he is people shy like he needs a lot of work he's beautiful and so does my son is working with them my wife's work than I haven't gone yet to try to work with them yet, but he will come out of his crate. Right. So. Yeah. It's such a but what he will make somebody a wonderful dog. So. Another thing out a little research about they asked a new survey asked two thousand people with the name the most mundane. Boring. Chore. They could think of the chores. What's the Most Boring Chore You do? Kyle. Laundry that's the ten. Lonrho's what's the Worst Chore Sleeping? Sweeping that specific is an in here but you rich unloading the dishwasher. Dishwasher doing the dishes number eight. Dusting is number three. vacuuming is number nine, cleaned the kitchen number seven clean out the fridge number six washing the windows number five changing your sheets is number four cleaning. The toilet is number two. Number one new bathtub. No shower. No. I can tell you that I don't do any of these parts. shocker. Sweeping up leaves or something in the yard work yard work. One time we read an event and I needed this done and I had an intern come over our hotel room when you're out of town, do this for me ironing ironing are. Sucked. It's I get frustrated. Irony is the worst is really satisfying though the moment where you like. Put the iron over in the wrinkles, go away and watching that is a thing. Shirts like. So, Checkout Love Pup Foundation speaking this dog Benny you could see his name's Benny you could see him on Lopa bondage instagram also bunch of other dogs when you find homes for we got a lot of dogs right now. So, check out. 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"I Don't Think So, Honey! 12" Live in Seattle

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"I Don't Think So, Honey! 12" Live in Seattle

"Forever. Oh, I see. Would look over there is that much. Culture. Less culture. Culture recess calling. Oh my God. Wow. We heard we heard my ask how you were. And you sounded well, everyone sounds good. Got us. I you won't mind me saying this came onstage. Matt said the words I feel like my asses wet. Hey, mind, you mind. Well, okay. Wait, you were like, I can't believe done. This is what it was. It was like my ass. What I feel like my bud is sweaty. And it was like I can't be the one day answer. They can't believe I'm being confronted with this. By the way, the first thing I was going to say is are there any kids here? It's an hi hiking. Two kids in the front. The kids are in the front. That's I was going to be like can we? But he went into butthole humor. There's right off the top. There's graffiti on the bathroom stall can curse right? Yeah. We say we get say, heck and like the word liar. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say added wets he is already launching into all this S. But Centric stuff, I can confirm that I had a question before about whether or not my but was sweating. I feel that it's not just in case anyone's interested later. At anyone wants seasoning on their doughnuts. I'm so sorry. To these. How old how old's your eighty? You're not a kid now. She's I goat. Are you looking forward to graduate? This night is about you now. Hi. No, it is so embarrassing or are you fucking living. It's so embarrassing that my whole life is a head of. Now, it's humiliating. I was born in two thousand one. That's cool. You are as old as the movie glitter. That's true. And you know, what that means you don't know Mariah before. Oh, and you missed out. So you might have your youth. But I know Mariah before. That's no one can take that away from you. What is your name? Liz, and what's your friends name? Hi, bella. Bella snare seventeen are you graduating the same year as Liz you graduate? Okay. Hold on. Oh my God. Now, it's just fascinating. So you are a graduate yet younger than Liz does. This mean, the you know is not. No, it's not happening up here. Or are you just like super Bella like? Super. Okay. So you just graduated high school despite being too young to do. So. Your mom is an agent. Mom is Asian. Yeah. My mom was Asian my mom is Asian. And I'm I'm yes, he his mom's Asian, and he's the piece of shit. It's not it's not a reason when did Asian moms has been a crutch for too long for over achieving teenagers, and we have to put a stop to it. That's cool. Bella, what are you taking a year off are you in school, still or you were in school school here? What are you to school? Les shoreline shrive? Hey. I'm getting a vibe about shoreline shoreline is like we're all short. Let me tell you who who goes to shoreline who here's a shoreline alum, why did you cheer for shoreline? Then. I saw you make noise for shoreline. Sure lens great just supporting it supporting its existence now. That's great. That's great. Is it by the shore? Yeah. Yes. Sort of now, they should change the name them. Now. Is a short has to be on salt water, right? No, okay. This is a person who English is third language. He's far smarter than me. He's he's I grew up in a land locked state. I don't know. These these water terms, you can go right up to the edge of a lake and guests your bottom dollar. That's the shore. Oh, yeah. Lakeshore is like such fun. Highschool name. I go to lakeshore lake shore. I go to be put like. Can you can you be like can you be like go to go to estuary shore high school like I feel like sure only applies to a limited amounts of limited bodies of water. I don't think that's true. We've proven who thinks short could be anything. Thank you for someone. Boo. That someone someone has big opinions about the shore. Okay. Oh, speaking of the water, I take mat to pay place, and we round the corner he sees the public market sign. And then he what he says. What did you say? I said that's where Meredith grey fell. No. But. That is not where Meredith grey foul stats where she fill up. She fell off pure fifty two right? She like fell off where there's mapping. So I think I'm right. We're getting specific here. I feel like she. But she she she fell at the on the ocean side. Okay. So we should just ask who here likes Grey's anatomy, who here like like, you know, what I mean the rest of you like your Seattle dizzy full, but you don't care about grace. Only the first season. Cool. It got better in the seconds. Seattle has a complicated relationship with grades. And I understand now why does Seattle have a complicated relationship with grace. Of course. Liz, and Bella you probably were times. I is. I got it. When that show was on. But you know, I just feel like crazy still good. What's that? It's still good. Joe for who the hell is Joe the? Okay. The photographers giving us God. I don't know about the. I know this is I hear that. This is this is what's happening on Grey's anatomy, right now to my knowledge. Tell me a ripped hot Asian doctor is day is gay. Yes. And for some reason madly in love with and I met and Jake Borelli is a lovely actor, a lovely person. But he plays this debate, which O'Malley two point oh, chara type doctor, and somehow they end up together. And I'm like, yeah. What were well? You're right. I mean, I think that what television should be doing is setting realistic standards. Hot people only date other hot true. That's just the true. That's true. There's no toques there. It was only reality. Okay. God, I really like Seattle. Lots of I like it. I like it very much. I just think like you have a beautiful peer there in Grey's anatomy. Should he used it more? Because it only was in the one scene where Meredith grey fell short and just for those of you who don't know she fell into the water died, but her ghost mom said you're not dead. And then she came back. That's what happened and that is grazed anatomy. That's great. Oh my God. I can't believe you started this thing out by by calling my wet. But okay. All right. Well, let's let's let's just like level the whatever I will. How about you? You say something that I've said to you recently that I've done on this Trump. Okay. Well, now, there's kids. No, no, you're eighteen right? Okay. So I'm going to do some grinder humor. Oh, yeah. What's ever here? I just a black abyss. Like nothing over here. I'm going to say it to them. So I don't have to look at these eighteen year olds in is when I say Boeing so far in the hookup standings of our tour, but what has a big one, and I have a big goose egg, which is Ciro kids. And I'm just saying like, this is really embarrassing for you. I'm I'm thrilled that you have you know, he he had a large penis stop it. Stop it. Stop it. He. The biggest the most remarkable thing about him was that he was just this this lovely lovely nerdy. Boy, this is sort of like a narrative of Grey's anatomy. He takes office flannel. He wears a college of chemistry university of California, Berkeley shirt. Very Pacific north. What do you do? And he goes, oh, I work in Hillsboro. I I'm an engineer. I make computer chips for until. I was like, okay. And then afterwards, I was like so we're gonna go because he'd just gotten off work works nights. And then I was like are you gonna go home and sleep now? And he goes, no musicians, I'm gonna I'm gonna practice my music. I was like, oh, that's so cool. What do you play? He goes. And this is not this is not pejorative or stigmatizing all he said, I played the clarinet. And I was like you adorable. Unadulterated person. And that's it. That's what it wasn't about. Well, what he told me was his dick was huge her. Oh my God. That's what I remember. I mean, I saw remember this clarinet part. But anyway. What else? So who here listens to the podcast lost? Who has no idea who the hell we are who doesn't make some noise. If you don't know us great high who here is who's here because they're a fan of Bowen Yang's lip sync videos online. Keel, who's because they've seen mats or not you Armie hammer and make him uncomfortable. Oh, you have. Well, you didn't see the good part. The good part was he said, so I went to Sundance and did interviews with celeb-, including Armie hammer. Army? We love army. He is more handsome in person than on the screen if you can believe, and it's actually real culture number nine. The screen has ten beauty. But not in this case, he's very handsome in person. And I to him during the interview have you met any celebrities that have gagged you or have you know, like starstruck. You and he said will you know, I met Robert Redford last night. And I said, oh that would be fun to watch. You the handsome actor of today me, Robert Redford the handsome actor of yesterday. And he said, well, I don't know about that. And I said I do. And we sat in silence for about fifteen twenty seconds. It was him zaas beats from Atlanta, and she did not help with the silent. She kind of we all sat in the silence together. And I was like cool. And so by men that part didn't make it to air probably because he threatened to end to what they he threatened to sue my God, we put that out army army. He's very handsome guy. Very I would imagine. This wasn't the first time. He's been told he's handsome, but he acted like, it was sure these handsome people very precious who here's handsome. Yeah. That's cool. Seattle's Seattle's a hot town. Did you guys find that? When you walk around, you'd think it's full of hot people here, you'd think so. Yeah. I think I think Seattle we'll Seattle has this identity to at that lake Nona. Lot of cities I go to I'm from Denver go to Denver and like duds lot duds. It's just like snowboarders, and now it's like pot hud's which is beautiful and now, but that's no longer. It's novelty anymore either. Like you have it here. You know, you say you say you smoke weed never once fucking cool. Yeah. That's exactly what they saying. No one thinks it's cool anymore. Smoke weed. Everyone's just doing it Seattle. But Seattle it's like, you know, you say I'm going to Seattle. And then you think and then like immediately like black hole sun plays in my head. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. We were we were talking about this in the car on the way over on the way to the airport this morning just that that little that just that timber of voices. Really cool like the creed your black hole. Oh, yeah. We were visiting gardai. Yeah. So a friend of ours met, rob Thomas matchbox twenty s and we were kind of gagged by that. Because I hadn't thought of rob Thomas matchbox twenty in about fifteen years almost as old as Liz. And yet who rob Thomas of matchbox twenty s. You've seen means about mood by Tampa. What are the memes? What are the memes? There's a picture that's going around with a guy wearing it's user. The back of the shirt. That's actually really good shirt, actually. Actually, it's not because like there's no setup to that punchline. You know what I'm saying? I think the fact of the matter is it's dumb. And I think that's why it's good. Is it just the words? Is there still from the music video where I think he he's outside of the city or. Totally totally totally shirts are all many times. There's things on the front of shirts as well. As the back. That's actually rule of culture actually, look at your number is ninety nine so many times there's word of back of the shirt as well as the front. We have some merch for sale we have some urge not here online. But if you want a shirt that says Taylor swift you can buy that. If you wanna sure that says fruit is what candy is based on. You can buy that dumb shit. Lots of we print on things. Okay. And now, how are the kids ingesting culture? What's the media diet for the kids? These days is it just purely memes. It's just impact font with with the black stroke on it in white. You can't answer this. Air pods. Air pot culture pot is not media though. You know, what I'm saying an airport is a device. This photographer is crazy. You're eighteen to once. Very project. You've got I know it's all ages. But these eighteen year olds are are just giving a sense. But we love came all the way to the front with their pods and their cameras and their advanced education line community shoreline communities. Listen who here is over the age of eighteen. Who here is eighteen or younger got it. All right. So they're just in the front. That's so cool. This is fun. This is this is fun. This is I was going to point out lasting in Portland. We ended up sort of having a focal point in audience member. He was a relative of one of the performers. His name was grandpa, Jim legally and. And we kept sort of going back to him for some banter, Bella and live. We're we're going to check in with you throughout the show is that you guys have become photography Shire's in this program. What's your name Kayla Kayla air pods? I'm calling you Kayla era pods and Bella shoreline and Liz, rob, Tom. Rob Thomas me, rob Thomas names? Absolutely. Okay. So so, okay. I'm not done. We're not done. All right. The way, you know, smooth by Santana is from memes. You don't know the song smooth by Santana? Okay. Saying what you think it sounds like? Okay. Bella. Okay. All right. Yeah. I feel like out of the two of you. She is the singer. Yeah. And if she doesn't want to sing you're really not gonna wanna say, but you bet you sing Kayla that you built it out. Dawned on. You only know the Qatar part of this. Rob Thomas things the whole song. Right. So, you know, the part that's like. Room. But you don't know like hand, it's just lacking all Sean on the moon is the same as the Bush, and that get from you you got to Canada and that go be so smooth hair gear me victory on about. Good. So good though. Okay. So anyway, back to what we were saying we rediscovered that some of the moment. And I also said, you know, what song is also good. I wanna push shoe round where well that's very good. Yes. I know it's feel so good. You wanna keep going? But we're not gotta body. Because let me tell you what other song we talked about. Which was creed we discussed higher. But then I said the the big anthem of creed was, of course, we're. Homes. On home do song. God, I put Soundgarden if you like Soundgarden orig-, did they originate that sort of cadence of that timbre voice? Sound Garnham lady black hole sun, right black holes who curl. The first percents Jackson main Jackson main does that shit shucks. And maine. Oh singer. Now, that's what it is. Well, the first person this is actually culture this first person to ever sing with the gravelly voice was the late Kurt Cobain. He was the first person to ever sing read the room, the gravelly voice. What too soon? Shut is not is it really. Well. So it's actually Riyadh 'as birthday today. Honest bertha. I don't. I don't. Brianna? No, they end the same birthday. I bet they would have gotten along famously actually know if they're both what Pisces they would have hated each other. Now, I'm friends with so many other Pisces I'm sees I'm I'm super close to three on my God. I want to say something is it going to be about my butthole? I don't consent now never mind. Oh. No, you have to say, y'all. I'm not a big believer in astrology. You know, I'm Carl Sagan is my baby. And he says it's pseudoscience and it's trash so. I wrote it's fun. I wrote a sketch last week for Don Cheadle where he he plays a veterinary. Where he he he he plays a veterinary assistant who like talks to all the animals and says, oh, well that cat you're that cats Pisces. And so she's she loves hard like that just projecting all these personality traits on animals, and it was so funny. And then cut time we're going to cut this out of the actual episode. Anyway, I this is just my way of making you just inventing. This is just me venting. Anyway, astrology. Actually astrology. I keep going back and forth on it. Clearly, you're acting fucking crazy. Yeah. Okay. Do you like it or not be decide now and stick with it? I think it it it sort of works at operates in this world of very general personality traits that get the people can lodge onto any point in their lives. Yes, we're all impulsive. We're all emotional. We're all emotion whenever it's like, I'm a Pisces, I'm emotional. It's like well. You're overlooking human being. Yeah. I don't know. I would say I agree with Liz. And we're so sisters you and I were like really sisters very close. Like, I think this one we're not as you're the Bowen Bellas, the Bowen, Liz is the Matt. So you think strategy is fun year. Right. And you're like, yeah. You don't care. But what if I said this to you our bodies are mostly water? So why would you think that the moon and the tides don't make your body different? As as they go as they go think about that. Bella. What now? Shoreline didn't prepare you for this moment. Did it lot to think about her Asian mom, which he thinks of the strategy? Oh my God. Asian parents don't have any believe in Chinese zodiac Gulshan. That's Asian parents believe in hard work. Cool. Oh my God. Wow. Anyway, we are here. Tonight's too. I love it. I got the first cool at of the night. I know I'm I I am fucking wired right now. I it's the coffee here. Drinking a lot of coffee town. You got you guys do, but I'm having sort of like a weird weird moments yet removing jittery moment. Well, listen, let's just take it down. Let's just say listen, there's ready for some. I don't think so hunting. I am now if you're not familiar with I don't think so Honey, it is a series of one minute rants on pop culture topics that ooh bitch. We don't like it's something that you think about and you say I got a scream about that. Because it's no good. And there's also sitting here in front of me is what we call the troll bowl. Now this troll bowl is filled with pop culture topics that would be difficult to go negative on not so easy to talk shit about these you have to go negative on them past examples of trouble, topics included, Princess, Diana, Jon Benet, Ramsey at Bowie. Pedia Julie Andrews, Julie Andrews was David Bowie. Yeah. So, you know, like things that like if you talk about them, we would call you a bad person. Yeah. A lot of that's going to happen tonight. Yes. So that's good performance. Have the option of doing either pre? Written nine on things. So any pres sort of meditated rant on something? You've chosen and thought about before that they've Moldova or they can choose to draw from the troll bowl and sort of do it off the cuff, and they have to go negative on whatever topic they draw. So those are the two examples as a as a way of exemplifying tonight. We'll look like we will go first. Yes, we Matt is going to show us what pre written. I don't think. So many looks like everyone give it up for Matt Reuters everybody. Okay. We'll take the mic, man. Are you ready? Oh, ooh volumes. This is a good, Mike. That's a good Mike, Mike, Mike. Okay. All right. So listen, I have a pre selected. I don't think so any topic. Do you guys like my jacket? That was separate from the island. There's on is wanted to know my aunt send it to me in the mail. And she was like I found a jacket for you. And I don't usually think this is like a fashion, and and then I got this jacket, and I was like okay bitch. Yeah. Because it buttons end zippers. Ooh. Like, how not not not not bone told me? No. But not I o. You did with the zipper. I just had steam with the zipper already super Steve punky popped up looks like steam punk like a bad thing. What is seem punked to find steam like Robert Downey junior as Sherlock Holmes? That's. No, the fashion icon in that is Rachel mcadams. Also seem okay. This is Matt Rogers says I don't think so Honey and his time starts now. Okay. Sorry. I don't fucking thinks. Hummy the space needle. You're not the Eiffel tower, and you're never going to be you are in drag. Honey, you are a weird shape. There is something that's more than you. And it's MS Eiffel. Okay. Also have this. Why the fuck is at thirty seven dollars to get in you. Thirty seven dollars to go high up. Bitch. I would somewhere in Atlanta. And there's one that is higher and it's less expensive, and you can drink a cocktail when you get to the top. When you get into top of the space. Needle. What is there is? What is there? Anything up there? There's a restaurant. Well, I wouldn't know 'cause I'm paying fucking thirty seven dollars to go in there the space needle, you're all I know about you as you were in Gray's anatomy, sometimes now I woke up to thirty seven fucking dollars thirty nine dollars peak. What the fuck does. That mean, the space needle more like the space and don't needle, and that's one minute. Thank you. I think we have a new rule of culture, that's real culture number seventy five this space. Needle more space. Don't needle don't need it. I am from New York City. We have several tall buildings. At least several several at least that was pre. Right. I don't think. So that was a three now bone Yang. Will do it. Troll bowl top come on Boeing Yang. I gave you topical. No. This will not be topical. Well, we don't really probably not. Let's see Boeing. I'm picking it out. Okay. Yes. You're don't think somebody troll bowl topic is country music. Oh my God. And your time starts now. I don't think so any country music. Why don't you fucking decentralized from Nashville Honey, why does it have to come from one place? How about you sh- read some of the love to I dunno, Charlotte or some shit. I don't know what happens down there in the south also country music is a fucking monolith in terms of radio plays. And if you're gonna shut out won miss Casey muss graves from your plays obiter. She is going to she's going to win and look she wanted Grammy. Okay. So here's the thing. Also, this put this is the thing about country music that people don't realize most of the good stuff is written by one gay, man. I don't remember what is Shane canal? Jane mcnally. So all these home, Trump contry fucks are listening to the words of a queer person. And that's pretty fucking cool. If you asked me country music, like five seconds. Just don't do. It in Nashville Nashville is now for bachelorette parties, it's fine. It's done nationals dot. Thank you. I would like to say we would love to visit Nashville love to visit Nashville we love to go. I would love to go to Nashville. It's one of the places on our list. I would love to see a to scale replica of the Parthenon knowing don't. We're talking shit about Seattle landmarks here today. Right. I'm so sorry. We went where we're the museum of pop culture that. It's no line college. Community college. Okay. Who's ready to bring up some of our performers tonight? I am. All right. We're going to bring people up in groups of four and they're gonna come up one by one to the mic. So let's give it up for a first group. Please make some noise for Netanya ranch. He saw less than per gram downing and give it up or Lindsay Peterson. I love you will remain standing. And so what are you gonna set Myers? Yes. Yes. Please. That's like, yeah. There doesn't need to be five with the ghost sitting. They go sit goes the mean goes okay, now, everyone, please welcome to the microphone Natasha rats. Tasha? Here's the deal. We have a whole bowl of trouble, topics. But also, a whole brain full of ideas, I would imagine. So what are you gonna do? Trouble. First of the night show. Yummy. Yummy mean crowd loved that. Okay. So the topic here it is great. Listen to tasha ransom. This is going to be tough. Okay. But your I don't think so Honey troll topic is the actress Regina king. Oh my God time starting now. You give me a reference. Yes, you'll street could talk Mr. geniality to these are. Array we can draw someone else if you're. Great. And that is in and of itself, and I don't think so king. I never heard of her. Okay. This is you'll know this. Tropospheric is New York City at your time starts now. I don't think any New York City. I've been to you once because you're too expensive to visit multiple times. I don't think so New York City when I walked on your beautiful streets garbage, flew directly into my mouth and addition to that like a family of pigeons followed me everywhere and scream. I don't think so Honey New York City being a mecca for art, and culture and interesting things I saw dance performance there, and it was modern dance. So it was boring anyway. I don't think so only New York City supposed to have the statue of liberty. That says that our country is open to everyone will your big fat bucking lot. 'immigration heard of. It's a current issue. I don't think works city like you say that you're like a melting pot for everybody. But when I'm on the subway, just incredibly to warm. One. Tasha ransom. New York City melting pot more like I'm melting on the subway. Some social commentary dance commentary on that everyone. Please microphone eh. They are good friend from New York from New York City. Are you offended by Natasha? Oh course, deeply already conflict. Find emily. What's it gonna be preprinted Arturo ball pre written? Thanks, Emily, short legs. I don't think someone of your time starts now. I don't think. So Honey the way people park in this city have you gone down a narrow side street and tried to move in any kind of way people pull in. They don't care if it's the direction of traffic. They don't payroll park. They just Sandra on in there. When I moved here Seattle people said, you know, I'm only it's going to be a big adjustment people compost here. And I said okay, Honey because I am perfectly contest than now. And then people said, you know, I'm Lee is going to be really different here because people are more passive aggressive. And I said that's fine Honey because I'm bilingual. Emily, it's going to be different there because socks and sandals. And I said, that's okay. I love it. I'm a Libyan. What I don't like is the way that people drive and park. It's almost this city wasn't planned, but you can't be this segregated if not by design. One. Emily sore. It's like she drops a hot take that. She was like, oh, it's it's hot since the way. You're just reacted was like ooh, it was hot. Oh, ouch. Hence, the take two. That was for social commentary get up rarely sure will it continue with Graham down. It won't it will cut the tension. Social commentary over it's done Graham, what's gonna be pre-selected or trouble precise. Pre-selected? I don't think. So any time starts now. I don't think so films that are set in Seattle. Like, the film, the changeling or the main character tastes, the monorail to work like that only makes sense if you live at pizza haven and work at Clair's, and if that's a life, you can have signed me up. Okay. So kind of Asian Codey banks. They try and pass off the Toronto tower as the space Neil, which is almost unbelievable as Frankie Muniz dating Hillary Duff in that movie because it's true. Tens don't date five thirty second team. You can have anyone he wants Malcolm in my middle. It's kind of like in the rain were that horse jumps off the ferry deal. How expensive the fucking fairy is let alone bringing a horse on there. That's that's eighty dollars with carrots just wasted. I feel myself. I was that horse to don't piss on my rain and tell me that we're the rainiest city in America. That is co why motherfucker Aloha they too. Grams outing downing oh my God. And you know, what we got a role of culture, especially real number thirty agent Codey banks. That's it. That's it. Wow. What a beautiful little bayton. Switch there with the Hillary Duff V, Frankie Muniz, and wouldn't you know, it Frankie Muniz was called a hot person in that. I don't think so Honey and will he ever be called a hot person again? Well, here's the thing with child stars. And we'll get to the next. I don't think so hunting in a minute. But this is important, and it's about educating because there are kids here, we all think all these child stars are going to go on to become hot. But look some of them up. I won't name names to saying pick the most famous child star from like I dunno late nineties early two thousand all right, not necessarily hot pump the brakes. Pump the brakes on the. I'm getting my second. Cool it of the night. Yeah. All right. Let's cool. It. Lindsay. I love this Jacqueline looking good. Okay. So listen here, we have trouble here. We have many ideas. Probably. But what what do you got going with one of my many ideas of that family? This is Lindsay Peterson's. I don't think so Honey and time starts now. I don't think so Honey, Bradley Cooper. Stop trying to convince us you're not a deuce beg your do Spag. You showed us that in your very first role sex in the city that episode single fabulous question. Mark. Your ado, Speight you solidified in your second big role wedding crashers do speak in your third big role. Hangover your fucking douche bag. Convince us I don't think. So Honey, you're American sniper was no zero dark thirty. You're no Chris Pratt. And you're civilized playbook was Beautiful Mind. Your I don't think so Honey and your star is born is no crazy heart. You. You don't get to just Jeff bridges. You have to earn your Jeff bridges by the by release the dog only cut. We're all waiting. Dating. My Angeles said when someone tells you who they are believed them, and we believe you Bradley Cooper, you are five second. I don't think. So Honey, Bradley Cooper. He Peterson and everybody it up for this group. Tasha really sure cramped Lizzy Peterson. Ooh, solid. Very good. Oh my God. You have to earn your Jeff bridges have. That's a rule culture. Number eighty. You have to earn your Jeff bridges also to be honest with you. I think agree. I think I liked Bradley Cooper better in the beginning when he was a douchebag. I loved him very attractive to beginning when he was having anal with Michael Ian, black in hot American summer. He wasn't a douche bag. And that though he was a sweet gave he was gay boy. Yeah. Amy Poehler best friend and sweet gay boys are not douchebag. Okay. Now. Let's check in with Liz and Bella. We're we're we're gonna ask you just to give a quick little review of of each group or not of you just a little like quit some qualitative analysis. What did you think about that group? What do you what we have to expand on this? Because you're you're. Your sweetie. I have to give it into the Mike because it's being recorded live for podcast. So hold on. You said. That because you're under twenty all you can say is like it or I don't expand. So you're not allowed to have nuanced thoughts. Oh, girl, you're so much smarter than ever be. That sentence was so complete. Stunning. What you just did? You liked it? Wow. You are my sister. We got we both got a thirty one on the ACT not U2. Soleil, ho. Everyone. Here's got to thirty one fucking stand up for your thirty one. That's good over there. We are honoring each other. Oh my gosh. All you got thirty six thirty bucks. That is the highest score you can get and now I work in comedy. So wow. Wow. We'll think Bella anything to add. No, okay. All right. You you're so to the point love it love that love that. Anyway. Anyway, number next group shell everyone give it up for my guess. Upper jas Peiser, buddy. Give it up for Kathleen, cozy and give it up, ma'am. Beautiful you may be seated decorum abide. I'm telling you, they're going by talk show host rules. You know this. Okay. So this is a rule of culture. No talk show host can sit down until the guests. It's down does you know this? Well, that's why you come to this show. That's why you count for useful information like that the worth the price of admission. Okay. Please welcome to the microphone Michael cassia. So there's a trope hole. It's been utilized in the last group is also gorgeous option of repair topic gentlemen prepares. Oh, okay. Gentlemen. Michael Kathy geo hasn't I don't think. So Honey in his time starts now. I don't think. So Honey, Instagram's stories, I don't understand you. Okay. I'm getting little older like mid thirties late thirties. I won't talk about it. It's fine. But why am I looking at a picture that I think is a movie that's actually a gift? I don't lack. Also, it has humiliated me on more than when occasion today. Mr. Belen, Yang's schertzman Instagram stories. I accident we send a one hundred emoji react. So I'm sorry. Ever do that in real life? And I'm so glad I'm here to tell you that. I apologize. Also, one time who knows who Dan Levy is from shits creek. He's super handsome, right? Yes. So you know, you can share someone story. You can also comment on the story to the person who made it so Dan, let me how to picture of himself in a suit looking mazing. I sent it to my friend. I thought I said obviated guess what you guys I sent this. Dan Levy, and you know, what he's still hasn't responded. And I think that's not. Okay. So Instagram has hurt me deeply I can't trust the stories. I'm never going to recover. And now I ever see Dan Levy, it's going to be very uncomfortable. Why? Happy. We heard the end I love that. I love that. Michael. I think you can just do what you just did to me and someday you will meet Dan Levy, and you will be able to just explain this beat for being you'll understand. Yes. Wow. Oh my God. Michael has to you everybody and how please welcome J ties. If a gentleman prepares consider me a classy lady because I'm doing trouble. Oh, beautiful. All right here, we go. So here's the deal. We have chosen out of the trouble. Another city is unprecedented. It is the city of Portland. Edge as tires. I don't think Portland has time starts now. I don't think Honey port land. All right Seattle. And I would say Tacoma's red-headed stepchild sibling. They like to think they are way better than Tacoma and Seattle, but their copies and tease do not quite live up to this. Oh, all right. And I like. Portland needs to get together. Because every time driving from Tacoma, southbound, I need to everything I can not get off on the wrong exit south they need to figure out the freeway system right on that. She's napping. She's having having poor. I don't think so he'd Forthlin because fifty shitty topic. Fifteen more seconds to talk about it. Zone anymore Orleans. A minute. That was listen, listen, I we got the picture to look. I mean, you know. You're strangling and Jerrell. Oh, there we go. Give it up. Everybody ties there when I get off when I drive down from Tacoma. I'm gonna remember. Yeah. You're gonna remember that everyone Kathleen. Kathleen. So the tro Bo Prevert topic where we thinking I have prepared. Let's prepare coaches. I don't think. I don't think so many times starts now. I don't think so straight ladies to ask me if I think they're lesbian because they kissed one girl in high school in hate men now. The only person who I am for. Sure, actually, no, lesbian is me. I have no idea. If you're it's like asking me if I think they would like purple skittles or read skittles, I'm not your mouth. I have no idea. I don't think. So Honey, if when I ask you, well, do you want to have sex with the woman and you make a face? That's kind of what it means to be a lesbian. I want to ask. I don't think. So Honey, I think it's it's. Yep. No. Oh, no. She's got got it. Got it. Got it cut. It. Your time is up, and you have ten seconds. I forgot what I was gonna say. You were talking about women who say my lesbian 'cause I kissed a woman. I think that was it. Kathleen, cozy. It's all about we can only confirm our own sexual desires. I don't know about you, you you were you, and it's all about the face you make when you have sex with someone. Yeah. That determines. That's what. That's wow, everyone. Welcome max. Dell. Your options are pre selected. I don't think so Honey or trouble draw which will be I'm gonna do pre-selected. He's elected as max L since. I don't think somebody in their time starts now. I don't think so Honey American horror story. Why are you still happening? Eight seasons. None of there's no storyline. You just coast on the first episode shock value. Because Brian Murphy shows are the premature ejaculation of TV. Just last for one season. Ryan murphy. That's all we ask of you. I don't think so Honey American horse coven episode ten out of ideas as usual and you just throw Stevie nicks in there. How dare you? She is seventy years old. She's trying to age gracefully and does how you treat her. You're just shove muravich under faith and makers Regan. To give her an arc give her a fucking plod. She's just conveniently Jessica links friend. I don't think so Honey and talking here. Fuck. Evan peters. Got a weird rabid weasel vibe, and it's not working for him. Mets tells and everybody and give it up for this group. Michael cassio, jas Peiser candidly. Wow. We're going to start with Bella, Bella, Bella. Yeah. Was it because they were so much to say about Portland that it's like it just it gets overwhelming. Or is it that when you drive out from Tacoma? You get off the wrong. You don't like Portland. What is it for you about it? Yeah. Everything. Seattle was thousand times worse. That's burns assigning. She's assigning factor. They don't even have tall building. You know, what Portland? Portland also has donuts. That's not a burn. That's just no just a fact about porn. It's just the fact they also have doughnuts. Yeah. Liz, liz. You like the do you like the show? Go ahead. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Because you sense the rabbit weasel vibe from an early age. You are actually. Yeah. This is good. There you go, Liz. So Liz, Liz is just telling us that in middle school. She was virtue, signaling her Evan Peters. Just tastes kidding. I'm kidding. No. What I we would have. We would have I would have agreed with you. If we if we had gone to middle school together. And also, that's a real of culture if your virtues are correct virtue signal. It's rule culture number seventy if you're virtues correct version signals, okay, let's bring up our next two groups jam. Give it up for Mitch Mitchell and Jenny Ferrari. Joe silva? Like oprah. Maybe seeded everyone be seated we love that. And I of the mic my Kayla. Mike hale. Oh, hey, so here's the deal. We got we got ideas and topics. What do you got I've been student on its longtime? I'm going to have to pre-selected was you still you gotta release that Stu open the steam vow. This is my Kayla Hobbs. I don't think so on your time starts now. I don't think so Honey people who sing Disney songs that carry okay? I do not think. So Honey, this is not your car or the shower. I do not want to hear you struggled through the beginning of the circle of life. Okay. It is offensive to me and to everyone in the entire room. Dolts space you need to sing an adult saw the nineties euchre's your way through photograph by Nickelback and that will be more enjoyable for. Okay. Honey, do you do not need to sing? Both parts of the song from Aladdin on the magic carpet. I don't wanna hear it. And guess what? Broadway babies. You are not off the hook either. Okay. I went to theater school. I was surrounded by people trying to one up each other. Leeann shell version of Doreen. In my brain. Can't make you. Wait, a minute mckellar hops Kayla. No, she nailed it. Yes. People people at your theater school. Preferred the Liam Michelle version over the Barbara version go to Mike out, and we've got it was very clear from the way that it was Lee Michelle the scoop it was kinda from the school. It was the scoop. It was not a Barbara. Yeah. It was not Barbara clean like Barbara. You gotta come clean and well-placed like Barbara not scooping likely, Michelle. It's a rule of culture. Number eighty. You gotta come in clean. My Barbara not scuba unlikely. Michelle. Well, while we know that over medicine. Hey, Mitch what's going to be pre-selected troll? Well, it was a real Sophie's choice. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was famously a tough choice for her. It was. Yeah. I think there's something about that. Yes. They both ended up. She didn't you've seen the movie stay both. The both the kids go I had sex to that movie. Once. Can't believe I just admitted that Sophie would have chosen the trouble. Oh, what's sold loud? Okay. I pick for you Yugo stand out over there. Okay. Look mitch. Yes. This is funny. If you don't look we'll say, and then if you don't want it, we'll talk. Okay. But if you want to do it. I'm gonna live church troll bowl. I don't wanna topic is really chill. Ray? This is Mitch Mitchell. Would you like to do it? Rachel raid. I don't think so. Starts now. Go Rachel Ray. I don't think so. First of all, no one's by on your shit. Pots pair all fucking goodwill for reason. Rachel Ray cheat, Jay Z and beyond say, I know it was you. Sucking. You don't hide behind your your casseroles? Don't hide behind those damn pots and pans, thirty seconds. They shouldn't be so expensive. Not to mention. I'm sure you're cooking is trash, and you don't see anything because your name is Rachel. I am a positive absolutely positive. Also. Where is she? Are you? I can only think of your pots and pans. Parks and rec reference. I five Honey. I don't think so. Mitchell, I can say this. I know Rachel Reyaz. She's in New York, filming syndicated daytime cooking show. She shares a building with Wendy Williams. Or whoever's filling in for Wendy was right now. Right. Right. Right. Michelle. Gig fill filling in for Wendy Williams. Drops drops a cherry halls into a Cup of tea, and then she says those. Depression. Okay. Here we go. I'll be the audience you'd be Williams. Okay. Go. So Brad Pitt went to lunch yesterday with Lena. One more one more. So read orders in the news. One more more. Do you hear about Meghan Markle? Oh, so fun to do such a fun one mention a celebrity, and then you scream then you too are soaring with an impression. So listen. I guess it's probably time to start this car up rumble broom Genevieve. Hi, debbie. Ferrari forgive for making that car job at your ever. Forget me song life live forget you. Oh, listen. I I'm so happy you forgive me in your hair to do. And I don't think so Honey is it gonna be the trouble? Or is it going to be trouble? But I have something to say. To say. All right. Jennifer, always I don't think Sony. Our time starts now. I don't think so Honey Slaw, I don't care the internet loves you. You know, what else loves tide pas and fascist? Oh, you think you're better than me because there was a viral video of Kristen bell crime. Because you got to meet you guess what? If I met a sloth, I would cry to from disappointment. I don't think. So Honey slots, your gross, you know, while slots die number one cost of sloughs debts. They're so dumb. They grabbed their own arms thinking, it's a tree branch, and they fall to their deaths. Oh, thirty seconds. What a slot. Didn't last thirty seconds saying they're slow. Why are you so dirty slots you live in a rain forest, which is nature's shower. The only time ever had any joy thinking slots to high planet earth. And I watched one slot trying to have sex guess what he doesn't get to have sex. I hope you go extinct weird looking freaks. I don't think. So honey. Wow. Really how they die. Is that true? That's true. I think so. We will fact I was scientifically with you. I was like that makes sense. They fall. Yes way podcasts are visual medium, bone Yang. Just did a sterling impression of sloth falling from a tree to it's fucking death. Thank you for arming me with that knowledge. Thank you. Gotta talk on the Mike talk down the access everyone. Please welcome to the microphone. Oh, listen. What's it gonna be the trope will or the pre preparedness? I like patterns, so I'm gonna go troll. Queen. All right here, we go picking it out. Okay. I gave you an option on this one. Great. You can either do umbrella the riana saw or umbrellas. You can make have to choose do. Both you want to do. Both. Can I do both? We'll thirty seconds. We're going to say switch a we'll do that. Okay. Fine. Okay. This is Joe Silva's. I don't think. So Honey your time starts now. I don't think so Honey Brel by Riyan. Are there? Any other words in the song? I don't think so Brel Bri riana because that's the first song that I got into of yours. And then it was bitch better have my money. I don't think so I'm Brel by riana. It's not I don't really wearing weird things in the music video. I really don't know. Brel one Brel is I don't think so brenda's in Seattle. The amount of you, caring them during snow Pokka lips. Are you fucking idiots? I don't think so Brel protecting you from heavy dense snow. I don't think so umbrellas. I'm tired of every restaurant having been for you and not a Hoke for my backpack underneath the table. Gel Selva everyone real commentary from this group give it up. That's. Jail cell. Wow. Okay. Let's go to our friends over here. So Jill thoughts on sorry. Liz, that's chill. That's over there. That's Joe you Liz now, listen what we think? Yeah. Right. So that was a rube hall just dropped. So now, we're we're getting a peek inside. Veneer is crack of a near as cracking darling. So you like repulsed drag race. That's probably for the better. Well, yeah. There's there was there was two winners. Yeah. Yeah. So bella. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kayla. How are we doing? Great. Well, we don't know if we have and we were there probably wrong. We haven't we haven't gone to know about what what's your situation. Right. Are you in school? Or are you you're you're you're in college try line? That's. What's the college? I missed Edmonds admits community Edmonds men. Yeah. Everyone on the count of mother fucking three make some fucking noise for Edmonds community college watching three ago, Adnan. Better. And we're going to take that energy and sore forth with our next grew. I don't think so hunters everyone please give it up for. for. For abilene. Go. Aston mcneil. Some real. We save this group correctly way. Yes, we're all here. Jay. This is clear say, Emily, I'm presidents PVC. So polite. Here we go any see we'll do they all do the same fucking. All right clear. Hey, Claire, so tell me Claire pre-selected topic for the troll piece electric? You select clergy. I don't think so any time starts now. I don't think so Seattle healthcare system. Oh, I call you up for chiropractic employment. You bump me for weeks. I show up thirty minutes in and then you have me do some ITO Portel shit. What is that? I wanna get my neck adjusted now my feet. You have me doing this in the front room. I'm serious. I'm serious. What is this? I don't think. So Honey, Seattle healthcare. Water. What do I do is my glass drinking drinking? I ended up putting it in the hands of my chiropractic appointment, I don't think so healthcare Seattle. Yes. Off fifteen seconds. Thank you. I don't think so Seattle healthcare ten minutes in I'm sitting on the floor with my chiropractor next to me doing the same stretches next to her. I don't think so Seattle healthcare. One. That's one minute. I don't think so Seattle healthcare either whatever that foot thing was no that doesn't seem like it's helping me get better. Not at all. No, putting me under more stress assuras. Sure. Oh my God. Next up to the Mike. Hey, hey. Okay. So I know I said that I was going to do a pre selected. But then you guys were talking about something intro that I was like, oh my God. Inspiration. Oh preselect. So somebody we're going to be selected. It's me start. Oh rations. This was okay. Great. Survived that, it's British. There we go. We're so Spira. Yeah. You're just so so unique in inspire. So here we go. Debate is thanks on your time starts now. All right. So everyone in the audience, just close your eyes for a minute. And imagine yourself you're in the back of your left, and you're just like toodle in a room, maybe going to cap hill, or whatever. And there's a really cool song playing on the radio. Like. You're like getting really into it. Yeah. Dancer this. I'm know drinking dancing tonight. And then all the sudden you start listening to Lear IX and currently inside of that music, and if really cool fresh song. Pop news. Seventy six Christian pop music. Trying him y'all interested as I gave lady in your weird religious bullshit. Jesus was resurrected he never. Dropped about you. And I have no since to forgive because I'm a human cooking being five. So no, thank you, cool ass, Christian rock music. That's why. That's why I don't think. So Honey that bravely ended with a no, thank you. Thank you. You really made the form your own. Oh my God. I love creed. Creed is cool. Christian pop music. What else is did you guys know? Stacey oh Rico. Yes, JC. There's got to be more. It's gotta be. That's been. Step. Well that. They've got to be. Something like that. Wow. He can do rob Thomas and Stacey Rico. Oh, I mean, all of a walk to remember is like a low key like faith-based thing. Right. Oh, for sure she was fully in the church. Also, dare you to all all the switch foot stuff? That was cool though. Does that mean we can't like remember we love I love? Remember? I love key loved the Christian stuff to the geez. All right. Another of. No, cool. It that's too cool. It's very close together. My cool. It's very part apart. I feel that the coolest have to come very rapidly here on the word Jesus. Yeah. The period. He's not here is as Jesus here. Everyone. Please welcome to the microphone. Our friend. Jason sister. Okay. So listen it going to be pre-selected. Or is it going to be trouble? I love that. I don't think. So Honey time starts now. I don't think so Honey people who don't like Spencer's gifts. Gaden what Spencer's has done for us. Where could you have found that bucket hat and smoke machine for your beautiful and lovely prom? Pose? So much more than Shane wallets, and Chuck eat all we didn't have sex education growing up Spencer. I didn't know what a dick looks like until I got love eventers, wink, got lost. And more about culture than me, healthy and beautiful currently single what? I know I know Spencer house problems do learning. Center. Started in the nineteen forties. You know, what I'll start of the nineteen forties. Fucking end of World War. Clues Spencer shit. And how dare you? To go. God. I love conclusion. That's very college paper. There's some some fun little linguistic stunt, not linguistic. But it was just you know, what I'll started in the nineteen forties. The end of World War. Write that down write that down for an essay. That's good for your end of highschool. The beginning every student's does. At the end. I love that. Give it up. Finally from this group Preston. Yes. All about all of it, high Preston hollow the whole thing. Preston bravely, wearing your white shoes. Yes. She's out. We had a conversation about this. So I bring it up again, you you're paranoid about getting them dirty. Yes. But there's the patina you gotta get the patina and the wear on. It's a special moment. This is a special. It's the bravest thing we've seen tonight Preston what's going to be priests troll. I would do if I got more references them a little bit older. I hear you we sixteen like these ones. No, I'm twenty. Okay. Just enough. Yeah. I know where you are coming from. Hugh now that you're now that you're past the twenty you can have a fully formed thoughtless. Okay. You're on a journey. It's fine. Okay. Preston. So you're saying preselect pre-selected. This is Preston Mickey on meals. I don't think so any time starts now. I don't think so Honey seeking validation from others and Twitter. Okay. I don't think. So Honey, you all have the support system that you need within yourself when you tweet something, and you share your art or whatever it is online. It's because you're secure enough in yourself, and you want to promote and show it to others whether they like it or not, okay, you're going and seeking something. Like, oh, I wish that oh, Karen, you can item think I could be up here on stage. But I am. I didn't think I'd be the place was what I'm not self deprecating tweeting about how I had a band time waiting in line. Because decide what I wanted to get at Starbucks. We've been waiting and you want me by both of us would I don't know that you. I don't think. So Honey you have in yourself. We should probably be in favor of. I don't think so Honey from dick Neil. Emily. Preston mcneil. Okay kayla. We're gonna start with you. What did you think? Titanic in the Google those aren't Christian allegories. What are you talking about? Queen Allan listen just because you weren't born in the nineties doesn't mean they're only four things that have. Here's one Gulf war. You wanna talk about that? Or no, shall we? Skip it. Nice try nice, try Queen. Something feels bad about talking down to these poor eighteen year old. So let's continue to do. We're going to keep doing. Well. Listen, what are you guys? Think. Should there have been more Titanic in the show, so far talk about Titanic? Okay. Okay. What that what that probably means if she has a wide cultural reference from being older. Yeah. Yeah. What's a movie, we've talked about Las Culturas that you not know. Do you know what the movie clueless? Because it was one of the things that happened in the nineties. An eighth. Clueless. That happens. Let's go over here to Bella. What does your mom light? She only watches American into warrior. Okay. The new one was talking about the movie fighting with my family, the rock is hosting a new game show, right? Yeah. Yeah. She likes violence violence. That happened in the nineties to go for four. I think it's time to move on. I think it's time. Let's bring up. In this exchange. Yes, this plead exchange. Please welcome to the stage Kinsey show. Steve. Banji price. Danny lee. Hello everyone. Now, we're going to welcome to the microphone Kinsey show. Hi. Look got the bowl at all. Okay. For beyond say. Oh, okay. It's not. Okay. It never. But it's so psycho to me that you would say I hope to be given the opportunity to talk shit about beyond say on a public platform. That is the bravest thing we've seen since Preston shoes. Really, this is this is an interesting one very interesting one your trouble topic is baseball stadiums. Baseball stadiums shit on those Kinsey shots. I don't think so many our time starts now. I don't think so Honey baseball stadium. Do you win the contest for most uncomfortable seats out of this seats? Because all I've done is beyond say baseball stadium. I don't go to watch your boring sports baseball stadium. If it's a sport that needs like a Cup over guys, John I should want to watch it. But I don't. What else do I know? Nothing. What does that say about you baseball stadiums? You're not doing your fucking job. I should know everything about buck and baseball all I know is that the Mariners. I don't think. So Honey Mariners stadium seconds. You should be closed at fucking rains here. I don't think. So Honey how much? I think so baseball stadiums sell better corn dogs puck face. That's what we got a new rule culture. We got a rule a culture number eighty three. I don't think. So Honey baseball stadium. Seto corn dogs. Fuck face. Well, and I love the beyond say connection that we got there because you did that you know, guys in the nineties. There was a baseball player on the Seattle Mariners whose name was Ken Griffey junior. Of him. He was one of the things that happened during the nineties now a quarter quarter now growing. Minds. They expand quickly clay everyone. Please welcome to the my see. He's gotta pay. He's got a paper, which means we're not. This is not true pissing me off today already. Say I want you to say Steve legs. I don't think so many time starts now. I don't think so Honey having your wedding on a holiday now someone who has just worked weddings during a blizzard on New Year's Eve and on Valentine's Day, I'd like to offer some advice on when not to schedule your wedding. I don't think so Honey do not make people risk their lives or sacrifice their holidays. Just because you found someone dumb enough to marry your. I don't think so Honey people who are at your wedding who don't necessarily give shit about you. And yes, they exist opt to leave your wedding early. So they can do whatever the hell they were going to do if you weren't so fucking selfish. So basically, you're receptions, going to end up being kind of lame by about ten pm. So save yourself Trump. Fifteen seconds. I don't think. So Honey, it's not just that. You're going to ruin that yours holiday that you're signing yourself up for a lifetime of battling holiday crowds every time. You celebrate your anniversary at your top spot or you're bowl. Oh. Also, if you don't stop believing during your wedding, fucking, basic. I love that. So that was not only I don't think. So Honey, it was also like a book you which I love I love that. I live for that. Yeah. Your your wedding on Valentine's shut up. If this is you shut. Wedding on the fourth of July grow up. You're going to compete with fireworks, sweetie. Yeah. Try to say your vows while fireworks are doing it. Well, fireworks exploding. You won't be able to be heard everyone to the microphone Mandy. Uh-huh. So listen, we have the bull here. We have. I'm sure many topics Durant on but I put it to you. It's just that. I hate so many things it's impossible to narrow it down. So the Trump. The trump. What did you have a lot of hatred? Just find something else to hate to list. Okay. Here we go. Got it. Interesting. So this is kind of I think an icon of this area, cinematic -ly. Yes, I would say, and this this topic for you Mandy price is when no-no rider and your time starts now. I don't think so. No, no, right. Or you're looking around pretending you understand what's happening at the. But you don't your question is why am I here winning? And that's what you're struggling with. I don't think. So Honey, one owner Ryder Beetlejuice was the top of your game. You are the strange and unusual, my friend. Insure things. And now, you're a grownup, and you know, what bitch that makes me feel old? I don't care for feeling. Two bit. I don't think so. Steal things just to make you feel good inside. That's what a live feels like. There are so many other ways to feel alive. Maybe go back beetle juice. You will understand now the purpose of your own life. You don't have to put things in your little pocket in your little in order to feel good about yourself one in your life. We'll tell you that they like you ask around when known a writer. Ask around and someone will tell you. They like you coaster number one hundred to ask around and someone. They will and. That's so true now. Please welcome to the microphone. People with your name in this area. They die on Grey's anatomy shit. Oh shit. Janney was a famous character. And he. Oiler alert on the second season of Grey's. Danny doesn't work. This is just a weird connect dots. That mounts connecting that have nothing to do with. What's going? Pre-selected troll bowl pre selected Honey Jedi leaves. I don't think. So Honey is time starts now. I don't think so Honey buffalo sauce as the default chicken wing flavor. What is buffalo sauce can anybody? Tell me. Exactly. Okay. Why is buffalo sauce orange? This troll. Although I don't think so that is not natural. You know, what is naturally orange oranges? Bo. I don't think. So Honey buffalo wings, I ordered chicken wings. Buffalo's don't have wings. This is not a red bull commercial. Also buffalo sauce is unreliable. It is an untrustworthy flavor. Everywhere you go. It's different all sorts of different types of mediocrity. Sometimes spicy sometimes it's not I do not trust at Honey. Buffalo wings are nothing without ranch. We need to change our Defoe chicken wing flavor to lemon pepper. Lemons and peppers. Okay. I don't think. So Honey buffalo wings. I do think. So Honey lemon pepper wing. Thank you. Kids. They show. Okay. Okay. In the Mike. I so agree. Even as someone who was obsessed with hot sauce culture. You do. I buffalo sauce was created in Buffalo New York at the anchor. Cafe I believe we should say anyone who thinks they make? They take real Buffalo's and make those wing that. I don't think so but. But. Yeah. I mean buffalo is nothing without ranch. I totally disagree. Buffalo is something without ranch as long as there's blue cheese. Right. I mean, let's not have blue cheese razor. Okay. But let's not have it raise your tonight. If you put buffalo in buffalo sauce in a vacuum will not stay. That's my thesis. Are on the same page about this. Honestly, I mean, the Asian sauce erasure is more rampant than blue cheese who cares about blue fucking cheese. Does nothing to do with blue cheese. I agree that the buffalo sauce to be the default sauce that feels like raise your to me for all the other sauces. There's so many other sauces, garlic, garlic parmesan. Barbecue. Teriyaki Seattle invention. Teriyaki was Seattle invention Japanese immigrants scandal to me. Quickly because we've done bullshit already between this next group. But do you know who went on a rider is you do from the kids stranger things? Thurs? Flex. I know I know word the source is for these fucking Blatch Dylan's. But one young is going to reveal that he's nineteen and he's I can and it's going to be so much scandal. Everyone. Army ready ready for this final grass group? I. Welcome to following folks. Anthony how? Bailie nickerson. Boesky? Come. Welcome. And I of the Mike Anthony householder. I'm great. How are you? We're so good good. Anthony. What's going to be pre-selected or troll prese? Pre select householders. I don't think so many times starts now. Okay. Okay. There's a mean that exists that says that many heart attack you have when you leave your apartment, and you're missing these things and it says shows four pictures phone keys wallet. And a bowl of spaghetti. Oh, oh. And then I saw another one later. It was like some jeez. Oh shit. This is too. I don't think so. Anything this fourth block that doesn't belong in your pockets, which is ninety nine point nine percent of fucking thing. Green light. Oh that in my pocket an exit sign, I don't think. So I don't think. So Honey, Anthony householder maybe people just enjoy the fucking mean. Okay. So high in bucket mighty about comedy caisson jet city in bro. Congratulations. You're the dictator of what's funny, and what's not funny. I don't think so. To cool. Well, we're gonna fucking copy shop and fucking Debra comes in with fucking wanderlust t-shirt, and that she leaves and you and your friends talk shit about her best bugging life on E. Okay. She probably goes fucking case while you live in a bucket house with four hippie dudes and was like three bedrooms. I don't think so many people that are too cool. That was one minute and more. But I loved it. Because it went so many meta it was critical. It was critical of culture. It was everything we needed. Bo is Deborah real person. In theory theory. Yeah. Represent something. There are Deborah's everywhere everywhere. Anthony, I think what you were getting out with the mean thing was that this non sequitur stuff. It's like okay random shit. Give it context. That's that's my thing with blue cheese. How does how does that make any sense? What you just said SaaS by itself is just a non this thing. Buffalo's spine self is the bulbs, it's nonsense. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow. And then you need blue cheese to put it into context. You know what I'm saying? No, okay. All right. How is how is buffalo sauce the non sequitur? It's been culturally accepted for a thousand years. Since the since the day. Buffalo sauce to be the foundational thing for you. Need you need blue cheese for buffalo sauce to stand? Everyone gave it up for Keighley nigger. Out of my misery. Kaley. What's it gonna be? I got something. I want to talk about. Oh, I don't think. So Honey her time starts now. I don't think so Honey men wear khakis and button down shorts. Grownup douchebag has got together and said, let's make a uniform to make us more identifiable and then picked up Landis casual business tire. They could you know who? Could you know who else where's khaki pants boys on the east coast who have to because they'll get hit with a ruler? If they don't. You know, who they are? They're your commercial real estate agents get into yachties and they pull up with Canada red bull and they go up to the reception desk, and they chat the twenty one year old girl. Fucking talk to you. She's twenty one and you're grown ass, man. You're really older scary to hurt if. Goad here. Applebee's for happy hour, go sit with your other frat boyfriends you both also moved after college and just share a fucking appetizer with them. Thank you so much. My God drawing. Those who choose to tuck it into short culture. Welcome to the microphone. I love Mike stent has decided to lower and lower. It's doing its thing. Etienne tuxedo? Tuxedo? So what's it going to be trope or pre prepared top something prepared? She got it. Time starts now. I don't think so Honey goop has a Netflix fury. Is the lifestyle website and pseudoscience bullshit emporium of actress Gwyneth Paltrow goop is what happens when you know, you didn't deserve that Oscar, and you devote the rest of your life to fraud. If the essential oils of money, boredom and hatred of fat in poor people different coffee, enema that you. Shoot. And none of this would matter, except we live in a society where money equals success and success intelligence. And now raw water is sold by vapid huckster who have never had to live without clean water people test the ph of their piss. No, what kidneys are and the. Lost own meaning except to say, I might be an alcohol IQ, or I might be a wellness influence, and I do not know, which one is worse. Yes rise. Let them my. Excellent. That was beautiful. Very good. Bury it rises for our final. I don't think. So Honey of the night give it up. Then. Got us phone now. We got a good. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nathan cox. I don't think so any time starts now. I don't think so Honey straight men who aren't eating pussy in two thousand nineteen. Going to stand up here and talk about women's bodies that shouldn't have an effect on your choices because it's not about them. It's about you insecurities. Don't know what you're doing. That's okay to begin with. But that's not an excuse. You're willing to spend five hundred hours on fortnight to get a tribal tattoo skin to slap on digital representation of your dick. But shoo can't spend thirty minutes finding out. What makes a women's is rolled back harder than o'clock on daylight savings didn't education worship per oh. She's done to oral sex ask yourself this. Did you try at once? You got the two pats in the shoulder. I'm good go back to the drawing board. That's too much of an awkward conversation. More awkward than you. And you're asking her if you could put it in there. But listen if you listen to the Joe Rogan experience for ten hours a week. Listen to talk about. Every woman is different just because you know, how to pick the lock on the door of your ninety nine thousand five hundred wait, wait, you know, what I don't think. So Honey on using objects, and especially cars as a metaphor for women's bodies. Give it up for this group. Householder? Kaley dickerson. Loved loved. Oh. Loved all of it and straight men out there if you're not eating pussy. That's all. I'm going to say about that there's a danger here. One final check in with our with our three eighteen year olds one seventeen year olds. Let's let's let's start with Liz, Liz, what do we think? It was good. Yeah. Liz. I feel no this. This is what you should expect to do what Nathan Nathan just painted a picture of what you should do. If someone's doing something you don't like Pat them on the shoulder and say, I'm good. Yeah. Any situations sexual or non that's what you do. I'm good. I'm good. Moving alone along Bella. What do we think? What do I know thoughts? Person. Hell fucking fucking. Yeah. Is that what you said? Okay. Bella. Thank you. Thank you so much is because. Before. Sorry. Before you felt like stupid. Were stupid. And now, you know things that happened in the ninety. Are you going to go home and Google? Four google. Is shane? Two. You and your mom should watch a walk to remember together. It's a great family movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Rain west is going to. I know my experience with Shane west watching member, and I'm happy my mom wasn't there. Oh, I wish we wish you the. The best in your study Kayla Kayla gone. What what do you do? What do you do? What are you Pat them? And you say. Why? No, no, no. Wildly out of control. Oh, you say what what do you say Kayla? Every account of three say at one two three. I'm. Kayla kayla. And what are we doing? We're learning. We're learning. 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Episode 55 Author, Entrepreneur, Cancer Survivor Henda Salmeron

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Episode 55 Author, Entrepreneur, Cancer Survivor Henda Salmeron

"Well, hello folks are welcome to this episode of the Texas Titans podcast. You have tuned into a fantastic episode. Today's guest is hindo salmeron, one of the most accomplished and fascinating individuals I've ever had the opportunity to sit down with on the Texas Titans podcast. Here's a little bit about Hindus background handed salmeron arrived from South Africa on American soil in nineteen ninety with two suitcases less than six hundred dollars in her pocket a fine bottle of nineteen sixty-six Portuguese port a work visa and the American dream cents hand has become a United States citizen a mother an award-winning real estate broker and accomplished investor serial entrepreneur a published author an ultra endurance race Global competitor off a breast cancer survivor who served on the board of Susan G Komen Dallas and an accidental power lobbyists who passed one of the most important and influential Healthcare bills in the nation into. 7-Eleven known as Hindus law, Texas HB 2102 folks you're going to love this conversation that I had with him too. And thank you so much for taking the time to be here on the Texas Titans podcast with me. I do have an ask, please. Please. Please consider going out to iTunes and leaving us a five-star rating. It'll only take a few minutes and it means the absolute world to me. Also go to Jason right now. Com and sign up for the Vitruvian letter where you can learn what I'm doing each and every day to try to improve always in all ways. I would be so grateful if she take the time to do that. So with that sit back enjoy the show, and as always, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to the Texas Titans podcast. All right, hindo or hinder as I've learned today is is another another reference to you. Welcome to the Texas Titans podcast. I thank you. I'm very honest. Well, I'm so glad you're here. And you know, I'm going to tell you like I tell every gift now after we finish this up you've achieved a time but now I want you to go update that link in BIO because you are officially men today Texas time to him. So this is big-time. Well, then I had to actually Google Titan because English is my second language and other than watching Science Fiction with my kids with their movies. I didn't actually know what Titan meant. That's awesome. It's a good thing. You're huge. Well done. Okay. Well, there's so many things to catch up with you and I think that you set it up very very well off off recorder when you said that, you know, your life kind of plays out in three acts and so the way I want to take off And another thing we talked about told you this is very conversational. I'm curious and so we're going to dig down, you know, and some of these different acts of your life. But first of all, let's just start off does the story begin, you know, it really starts when I was three years old and I was at a gray an open grave and I thought that Dave it was the burial of my father and my mother wore a very deep royal purple dress in South Africa. You don't necessarily wear black purple is that deep purple is the color of Lent is also the color of morning and I was three years old and I will never forget the wind blew her hat onto the coffin off and shoot and as the kids we put see San Tan the grave So afterwards, we were in a car and that was the day she gave me away. And so for the longest part of my life that the purple was the most beautiful color that represented my life. So that's kind of where it started and I was I think of myself as a kid. I really relate to foster kids. The only blessing that I had is I grew up white in an apartheid country. So very quickly since I was very young. I knew that academics could get me out. And so I started when I was in second grade. I left home. I went to boarding school and it's kind of like in England Harry Potter like and so I grew up for the majority of my life in boarding school with teachers as my guides, which was dead. Facing incredible blessing that because a lot of others may not understand because you know, they don't like this in the states. We just take it for granted. Right? We have free public education, whereas in a lot of other societies, you know European the German system, if you have to basically test in is that correct and then decide kind of that and that can in a lot of ways much to your point like here with our education system. I'm a big believer that education equals Freedom. It gives you Mobility, you know upward Mobility. I'm a big believer in education. However, in other nations it's even more so as a determinant of where you're going to end up later live, correct what you must remember I grew up in the seventies and eighties in South Africa had nothing to do with creating that incredibly ugly environment, but I was the recipient of being white and therefore we had access to the best schools dead. If you grew up black in the 70s and 80s, you didn't have that opportunity, right? And so it was an equal extraordinarily unequal. I because if my academics was able to get scholarships to attend the best high school for girls in South Africa and a funny sidenote something I have in common with Elon Musk. I went to the office off school and he went to the English voice School across the street. Oh wow, and we we would go and serenate the boys. And so he's a little younger than me. But but I always joke say yeah, we we actually grew up across the street from each other from school in perspective. That's terrific. Well, okay, then I'm going to I'm going to drop your name and somebody's that connection whatever. I'm trying to give you on musk on the Texas style. If you could please. Give my card and it's a deal. Okay, there's my end with Elon. All right. Thanks Cinda. Okay. So so then now whenever you talk about some of these the the teachers Educators, they started kind of shaping and I guess mentoring you along the way or their certain individuals to stand out that kind of think I talked about that absolutely for for starters my high school principal. She was unmarried women, but she was such a lady and we were taught to always write. Thank you notes for everything. And so since I was little I it was drilled into my head that for everything you taken pen and paper and you write a note and and give it to somebody and then my German teacher June frogner. She does like a Harry Potter ish kind of Matilda name. How are you doing a real? Wow Frome is women. Okay in German, okay, and that's how we addressed her. Okay and years later, I actually spent time with her in Germany. Okay, and then my French teacher she was this beautiful French Pub. Flamboyant over-the-top women and then miss hunk. Probably the one that that had the biggest impact on me. She was my English teacher. Okay. And again English is my second language. I speak several less fluid more fluent with wine. But but anyways, as as my English teacher, she really saw in me, probably the potential more than I even believed and really pushed me to do really go for it and being the other thing I want to point out and with it being women today today being the celebration of the women's vote in the United States, I grew up in an all-girls school. And so I we were encouraged to be leaders and not to be ashamed if you know scoring high and and being going for for excellence in academics, right? Whereas had I grown up in a coed school. I might wage Not been so certain because in a girls environment there was no competition with boys. And so it didn't matter that. You wear glasses were used. He's not strained. Did you have curly hair or simple skin? Right. Well, none of those things mattered and so I was head girl if if the school of our boarding school and so I think that really laid the foundation for that acid girl. There was no glass ceiling. I love that. I love it and it's got a funny too because you said you listen to the Quan Cosby interview. And you know, that's one of the things the Quan he brought up. He's like, okay. I'm very I was very competitive as a youth he said I can compete with the guys from the football field, but I wanted to compete with the girls too. So in the classroom, they was grades. It was academics. Okay, so let's talk about that a little bit because I know that that drive obviously carries you through the subsequent acts of your life. I mean you have just you have just a cheat you or an achiever your it's obvious you're a warrior. You're a fighter. There's all of that's going to come out to this month. I mean it just it has to it's it's your DNA. Where do you think that came from and then how would you apply it? I mean you you apparently there was something in you that that you took hold of the fact that there were no boundaries for you and you cease them and decided you were you were going to pursue better kind of talk about how did that how did you start developing habits, even at that young age that have brought you through to you know overcoming the health obstacles that you had for the other things kept. What did that look like? Is it in the early stages started at at three years old that day and I was giving away wow because my whole life I have to fight to prove my worthiness month and it was you know, the thing the the grill on my back for the majority of my life which by writing my Memoir called great under my nails was probably in fact, it was during the time that I turned fifty and writing my story freed me from the shackles of what it was for my whole life. Yeah, but just I swore to myself since I was so little that I wasn't going to become a statistic. Well, I was thrown away not good enough, but I would prove that that I am good enough job. And so my mother was probably my my biggest role model because I could just could not in front of her word her name. Yeah, and it just powered me to prove her that I would go the entire opposite direction. She make terrible choices really bad choices and I had a internal compass compass of just knowing off the road the narrow road and and I just charged a hit and it was it was my ticket also out of South Africa because I I watch it was it was such a terrible time in that country so so much bad that apartheid stood for and I mean. Actually left South Africa at the year. Mandela was freed. I didn't even know who he was really because we didn't have freedom of the press we grew up under an emergency order. Yeah. So for my foreman years, I never knew what happened with the way today. Never knew the fight. Never near the suppression never understood anything about my own country. But I knew that I wanted to come to the United States. It was my dream the American dream. Yeah, it is so powerfully alive dead in in other countries and and I waitressed during my whole High School career years. I waitressed at a Sunday nights at a jazz club, very high-end jazz club in Pretoria and the the band always dedicated to me, New York, New York last the song. I knew my Vagabond shoes was going to bring me here. And so that dream really kept kept a lot of it going. Wow, and I gotta tell you given the the tumultuous times that we found ourselves in in America. It's so cool to hear you say that because that has been my experience as well going abroad in particular and it seems like in the month oppressed countries that you go to you see at the most for for example whenever you're in China, I don't care what part of China they are. You're almost like treated like as a celebrity if they don't see the german-american they want to come and get their picture taken with you and they have this romantic vision of America and and beneath every, you know, you know varnished facade you will there's going to be some ugly stuff and America is no exception. But all in all it's a beautiful place and on the on a global basis, which I truly believe this country life. No other country in the world. I I arrived here with two suitcases in $500 and dreams and I truly believe this is the country that as an immigrant can make your dreams come true and I believe the Americans that live in this country do not appreciate what this country offers. It truly is one of the things that frustrates me the most on a daily basis. Wow. Well, that's good. That's good to hear. You sad. I became really close friends with Zulu. So we have many eleven tribes in South Africa and the Zulu tribe is the warrior try. Yeah, and I was recruited with a computer science degree to come program here in the United States in North Carolina. Oh, wow, never heard the word. I didn't even know they were fifty states. I couldn't name them all and we didn't have the internet back. This is 1990 and I was recruited to come program at RJ Reynolds tobacco in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Wow. And we had the Britannica Encyclopedia. He remember oh sure. Sure. So I went to a friend's house to go borrow want to read about North Carolina, but I really didn't care because I was coming to America off right but in North Carolina in Winston-Salem a fellow programmer from South Africa was Matt looping and we became close friends. We were the same age and threw him. I learned the history of my country. Wow, what it was like for him as a black man growing up during the same years as I was growing up and it was a parallel lives like two universes. That didn't cross. Right? Right, right. That is a remarkable. How how cool is that? Well, okay, so let's take it to there. So I'm going through and you've had some very very good strong mentors and impressionable people on your life. So when do you realize how long before you're dead? Your Early Education or your primary education before you realize you are going to finally fulfill that dream to go to America and kind of what is ramping up to that look life. So I got scholarships. I graduated with a double major in computer science and economics, but I wanted to travel the world. I've never lived South Africa at this time. I was about twenty just turned Twenty-One and I had a scholarship obligation to go work total oil immediately upon graduation, but there was a loophole that if I didn't graduate in December because our school years January through December then I thought they would only employ me the following January. So I failed on purpose a minor subject so I wouldn't graduate so I could go back to University the first three months of 1988 finish that credit graduate in June and total wouldn't want me until January. So I backpack for six months through Europe. Oh wow song Nice strategy. Well, yeah, it was the first time I really learned that you should always read the fine print and see breaking the rules how to bend it. Yeah, um and so for six months I lived in the back with a backpack through Europe take the URL sleep in youth hostels on trains off and and really became free. It was the most free. I was in my entire life and the addiction of travel bit me. Yeah, so that was eighty-eight eighty-nine. I bought a seven-week absence from work and I backpack through the Middle East. And back then South Africans were not allowed welcomed in Egypt Jordan the Arab countries, but I still traveled extensively through Turkey Greece Cyprus Israel. And and I knew that that travel is my my destiny, right? So I next have my aim on the US but you guys says infrastructure is not conducive for backpacking for the train system suck and thirdly you exchange rate back then and even today make it extremely expensive for people to come here. Yeah. So my plan B was to get recruited to come work here. And so that's what I did. I applied a marriage had a huge shortage of programmers in the end of eighty-nine. Ninety ninety-one, right and like nurses today. We were not part of the Visa quota, okay. Was such a necessity for the need and so I got recruited by an American company and I packed my bags and three days later. I was on a plane Coming To America. That is Faith. Okay. This is kind of crazy and I'm not smart enough to do this kind of strategic planning. But Matt Wagner who's episode just launched today. He actually did something kind of in the reverse. He actually used work as a way to travel to Europe and you know, so it's kind of same guilty he grew up of humble means but he and I both went to undergrad at Steven and fought State University while we love our our University not exactly a marquee name like, you know, like went to graduate school at SMU people know what that is, but Steven in Boston, it's a little different so that he could be strategic and how he could find his way to fulfill his his dreams of travel and being abroad living abroad and he married his vocation with it to allow it to happen and he's been an expatriate over there for eleven years. So it's kind of funny you guys kind of did the same thing but you were doing it to get here and he was added to get over into Europe. So that's remarkable. So and then so it said in Winston-Salem where you know, you finally you get your first kind of guests Taste of American culture my God, you're such a strong culture too. I mean that's that's different than even where we are in Texas right? I was I mean for me that was what I saw on television. Yeah, right, which was what what to talk about that. I'm trying to remember the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Okay. So do you work right? Absolutely. What was the guy that was on her show with her? He was quirky. Oh, yeah. Yeah Bill Cosby Show off anyway, so that was kind of what molded my concept of the United States. If you I fell into the very deepest self that you can find. It was named funny cide, no dead. I came from the most one of the most dangerous countries of the world and here I'm in Winston-Salem and they put me up in a Holiday Inn Express for a week. And then I had to find an apartment off go to Kmart wasn't experience. Oh my gosh, never seen a store like that in my life. So many choices by my stuff moving to my apartment and the next night. We had a pipe break in the dead of winter. We had to vacate and I got robbed of everything. I owned literally I had the clothes that I was wearing. Oh wow. And so I literally started with absolutely nothing in my boss at RJ Reynolds. Tobacco. He was this tiny little Italian guy from New York heavy smoker. Yeah, and he heard what happened to me that Monday took me to his home. His wife had severe Ms for advanced and so she opened her closet and said just take whatever clothes you need birth. So my six months my first six months in the United States. I wore suits from the 1970s. So I truly looked like Mary Tyler Moore. That's awesome. I love that song my hair coloring and all that was felt that I could be stopped on the street. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny that women I will never forget her kindness. Yeah to a stranger. You know. Wow long. Okay. So First Act I think we've kind of hit these two scenes. Okay, take us to the next scene of act one. So I many of your listeners that are immigrants know you pay your dues you come on a Visa then you wait to get your green card. And until you have your green card you stuck with a company that brought you. Okay. So once I got my green card, I was recruited by Cooper good person library and catch brought me to Dallas Texas which led to marrying and many years in Corporate America, you know grinding away like everybody else. We got bought out by Price Waterhouse emerged, you know, I marched happy Corporate America. I worked worked my way up. I was just under a director and they nine eleven happened. Technology crash one of the crashes following and not just that but I think the culture shifted in this country. There was an Innocence Lost an i awakened realizing because that following year 2012 many of my colleagues of laid off good people hard-working people and the ones that could play the political game. They were almost the ones that didn't get cut. Yeah and I became very disenfranchised and disillusioned by this road that I've picked off and unlike you and many of your listeners I grew up in a country where we were not taught to be intrapreneurs. We came from a culture where you go to school stuff may get a degree in the work for somebody right? So I I was 34 35 years old. I was an expert in computer science, but I knew I was looking for something different and I knew that I needed to work for myself, but I didn't want to go back to school. I was looking for a quick fix so to speak and I and I've always loved real estate. I decided with my technology that I could become a really successful real estate agent because many agents did not run their practice as a business. Absolutely and I had fifteen years of Hardcore Corporate America training behind me. And so I don't ship thought it was one of the most I didn't Coming To America. That was the second most terrifying thing by resigning from a highly successful highly paid job. To become a commissioned sales hundred percent commission sales real estate agent and Martin Luther King morning of twenty two thousand and two I had that panic attack of oh my god. What have I done? Yeah. Yeah, but you know, I haven't heard back and I'm so grateful for the gift that that nine-eleven gave me. It's so crazy. You have followed very similar paths. So it was at that exact same time. If you remember it's not long after nine-eleven that Enron that yes crumbled, right? Yep. So I was offered a part of a start up with two friends from Anderson consulting or Arthur Anderson because Anderson Consulting was very moist Arthur Andersen's BC side and in Enron off and so I decided at that point I'm going to just come out the service business. I want to go work for a company. I might do service work, but within a big blue chip company where everybody knows their how to read their birth. Cheap it's it's clean. They've got they've got money. They you know, they're dead is and so I had just read Jack Welch's book. I can't remember what it was called is his first big seller and it talked about whenever he was choosing his successor which would become Jeff them out instead of instead of Bob nardelli nardelli ends up at Home Depot. So I thought Home Depot everybody knows who they are. So I go off for Home Depot and I'm like you at the time I'm like, I'm traveling all over the country and I'm like, I'm miserable. I've got a two year old and a three year old and so I decided to start looking for companies to buy and I buy a real estate brokerage. I didn't have my license at the time, but now here's where you and I were different and in that I was I was so risk-averse that I thought. Okay, well, I'm going to hedge my bets instead of becoming a realtor and being completely reliable on condition. I'll go buy a real estate brokerage and that way there's at least a little bit of income from the other agents all figured that out which had problems of its own about the way I didn't have the money to do it. I had to go do some creative financing with the seller and all that but all that to say it's kind of like how parallel our stories are as to how we arrived in real estate. So so here you are cuz I remember what that's like I can relate to that you're fine. Yeah, all of a sudden the health benefits gone, you know stock options gone. It's just but so here you are in a condition only business from that big corporate world again, my sister I feel you. So what time do you get started you baffle with bullshit you make it home? Did I work seven days a week fifteen hours a day and I always showed up as the expert. Yeah, not once did anybody ever asked me. So how long have you been in the business? I knew the jumps. I studied the comps. I toured I mean I knew my stuff. Yeah, and and I had a lot at risk. So I I was rookie of the year that my first year in the business office and where it's like, you know, what I didn't understand is at the end of the day all of us are salesman. I don't care what business you are in I don't care who you work for we ourselves and I sold ideas to cook in America. I engineered I was part of the spring team for voice activated dialing and I was in R&D. I mean my ideas for the company to fund projects was no different so I very quickly and then I also very quickly realized it didn't matter how many zeros the house had em. Was a hundred thousand or a million. It's people I'm working with people. They all have the same fears. They all care about the same thing. Yeah. Yeah and home of great food. And then also I guess going back to my early years in boarding school. I was I played the mother figure in really. Well. I adopt people and things and I'm a caretaker and nurturer and so very quickly my clients filled this huge need or you know satisfying or was something I did from the beginning of time. Wow, helping people solve their problems. Well and every I guarantee you every broker that's listening to this would love to have that new rookie age if it shows up with one your drive and your intelligence but we do just said figuring out how to overcome that obstacle which in a business like real estate. We're expecting to know so much about so many different things to go become the expert. That's genius. I think that was a very remarkable. I've been with the same brokerage ever since every holiday. They pretty much, Terry and my manager has been the same one since then and he's still today pulls off my business plan that I submitted to him with our first interview nineteen years later and he's still today says I'm the only new agent that walked in with an 18-page busy. Yeah. I never had it usually is a matter of fact, I got to the point as a broker, you know people there's there's some sort of an idea that you can just walk in and well, I mean, that's how the games are played for so long you get a license and then the Brokers lucky you show up and they'll just hire anything, you know with a pulse those spots from I didn't run my firm that way and so it was very rare. There was one exception. It's interesting. You remind me of now Sheila Turner at the time Sheila Cooper. Now one of the most successful brokers in in East Texas who has her own firm when she showed up same thing. She had a plan. She said I'm working on my license. I'm a paralegal now, here's what I'm going to get my license and the name. And it's like okay when you're ready, I'm ready and but most don't do that small step of saying here's my plan because I think him a lot of people that go into real estate don't realize page there. Maybe another night say a be on the on the side or whatever, but you're in business for yourself. You are an entrepreneur, right? That's it now and I had a lot to prove mean I walked away from golden handcuffs and a nice retirement and my colleagues all thought I was having an early midlife crisis. Yeah, but what I also didn't realize life is making those changes in my life really set me up for act two when I was forty-two years old and had I been in Corporate America, I wouldn't have had the freedom why I thought strived in real estate so much is the freedom. It gave me to work on my terms. I worked exceptionally hard and I still do but it allowed me to indulge in my passion which was travel pass. And I'm at the point now at my life with a list of countries that I have not gone to is now shorter than the list of countries. I've been to wow, and it's my passion. It's been for thirty-two years. What I do I want to go to the most far away Place most isolated place and I want to see who lived there and what do they do with all of that? Well, and I don't think that it's I don't think it's any big shot to that you started your career with one of the Legends one of the the female Legends of real estate and every holiday off one of the most remarkable Texas business people that we've ever produced, you know, Rose of Texas and you know, so I used to love it whenever she I guess it was on her it was off to her hundredth birthday or something that she actually came to the convention because I think it was the same as a significant anniversary for the National Association of Realtors. And of course, she played her ukulele always which which is which is always fun job. And so that was the first time that I got to meet her and just a Texas Giant. She she took that role models right? I count every month as one of one of my role models in my later part of my life because she she was she had such Grace. Yeah, so polite so humble and what was remarkable about this woman. She was Tiny. I'm five-two. She made me feel like an Amazonian and it'd be no new your name. She had at the time, you know eighteen hundred mm agents work for her and she would always take my hand and say now hinda tell me about those sales in East Dallas. Wow, and it just made you feel like she saw you like she cared and I had the distinct privilege to become real close to her during my breast cancer journey, and I was when she turned a hundred and three dog Allowed or her her assistant at the time allowed me a brief visit with her and I brought her this beautiful bouquet of yellow roses and hydrangeas Yellow Pages and it was the year before she died and what a remarkable life. Yeah, even more people. Yeah. Yeah, you know, she she's inspirational for sure and okay. So now you are you're in the real estate business. You've got a business plan your you you at again. Wow, you had so much figured out before you ever started in the crazy business that is real estate. So how does that go and and as well work my also of you know again 17 hours a day 7 days a week and I got really burned out. I mean, I am also caught in a very unhappy marriage at this point and where the site was my Skype. Yeah, I worked so I didn't have to be there right right and got very long. Tremendous success never wanted to develop a team never wanted to grow my own business. I learned in Corporate America. I'm an incredibly great individual contributor. I'm not a manager. May I hate manage people? Yeah. It's just not my strength Sonia by the way again shows your intelligence because most real estate agents, you know Rogers helium, you know that we both know Rogers and I have discussed that how a lot of Realtors they think well as soon as I start producing a lot that I need to be my be a broker there is a into the fact that you realized one. You probably make a lot more money with less headaches headaches different and less probably than a broker being a great agent. Well then on the broker, I I I got my break my stride you produce you realize you're you're you understand what you're good at and what you like to do Thursday instead of doing what you think. I don't want to make a look. I just have no desire. Yeah, so, you know, everything trapped alarmed. I was 708 I lived through. Gosh, you know that's a signature of a good Agent when you can do well through a good market and a down Market, you know got 208 had one of my best years got 2:09 a.m. And that's when active starts. Okay? Okay, 42 years old, you know two kids eight and ten in a civilized unhappy marriage, but I'm not going to divorce because I came from such a broken home. I wasn't going to do it to my children by golly. I would stick with this until they're gone and done with school and life in the universe gifted me the gift of all gifts and I have to forever be grateful that I got such a wake-up call. I am beginning of 09. I was overweight unhappy depressed unfit very unfit. Did I say unto really unfit and I deceived That I needed to do something and I started rowing sculling on White Rock Lake again. That's that seems like okay, I'm seeing a theme here. That's typical Hindu way to do it instead of most people go for a jog around White Rock money. But no, I think you could have wrote. Okay cool. Well I running and Jim was so boring on his skull the song banana peeled, you know slicing the water with two orders. That would got me excited and White Rock Lake is exquisitely beautiful Lake in East Dallas. Really my my heavy my little Heaven My Little Slice of Heaven in Dallas and in twelve weeks. I lost eight pounds. No wait in eight weeks. I lost twelve pounds. I can always get that backwards and I felt this little lump in my right Brace near my breastbone. Forty-two years old. I had a base mammogram at 35 40 41 40 maj. So I had full mammograms. I didn't really at first worried about it. And then that Mother's Day met my mother-in-law who is a PhD nurse. She's now the dean of nursing at Oklahoma City University beautiful amazing women and other role model. She was in town. We happened to sit next to each other and I sit here have this little lump them but my doctors say not to worry, don't worry about it. It's nothing. You know Jason she took my hand and she said to me that night. She said to me don't let anybody tell you. It's nothing do not go have it checked again so that Monday I called my doctor and said, you know what? I don't want to be a pain but there's something here and we've got a jacket so she ordered another mammogram, which I went to get done. And they didn't see anything. They're going to send me home and you know when you have that little voice in your head and and I just I knew I wasn't going to leave so I text her because she happened to be a friend. And I asked a big I said, you know, please don't send me home. I know there's something here. So she called in a diagnostic mammogram and an AC Graham, okay, which then resulted in them seeing a shadow which then that day resulted in a biopsy which then resulted to 8:30, June 7th 2009 Sunday morning. I was on my way to go write a contract for a couple that wasn't my client. I was covering for a friend agent a $900,000 housing Preston Hollow. It was also the day my daughter the end of the school year. She was having a ballet recital at McFarlin auditorium at SMU who sets with her ballet school performed their final recital of the year. So 8:30 a.m. That fateful Sunday morning, June 7th get a phone call and I'm so sorry my doctor friend your biopsy came back. And it's breast cancer. She's like but we feel positive then it's small. It's early you've been diligently getting your mammograms. Don't worry. It's going to be okay. So that whole day is a blur. I mean, you know when people ask you where we you with when JFK was shot. Where were you when the Challenger exploded where were you know, where were you off? That's one of those days where what where was I? So anyway, I I had a well-connected database through my real estate office and I called in favors. To get to UT Southwest and and so that Monday morning I saw one of the top best people their oncologist surgeon that became a real adjustment of mine later on and they they ordered another mammogram and sonogram an MRI. So that was now June 8th Monday, so June 9th at 2 p.m. Is when my life changed forever and I got a phone call. My doctor oncologist called. She said he is Salman. Is this a good time? And are you sitting down? I think we can agree. We shouldn't start conversation and no nothing was going to tell you. Can you please sit down and you just won the lottery, you know know so she said to me I'm so sorry to be the one to tell you but I'm a cancer is not early. Your tumor is not small and I need you to come right back to the hospital right now because we need to consider studying on chemo immediately to shrink this tumor off my world collapsed everything in my world collapsed and I might then husband stayed back because he had to go pick up the kids from school, you know, whatever I drove back to you to southwest's in in a daze. I mean, I that's when you have those like flashbacks right even just what the hell And I went there sat down with her and she showed me the MRI that he revealed. I had a four centimeter tumor, which is the diameter of a golf ball long goodness, and you could only see it on the MRI. And so I'm you know, I'm a Layman I what do I know and I see to her. Well, I don't understand. How was it off on a mammogram. How can you miss a four centimeter tumor? And she said to me? Well, you have very dense breast tissue as like, excuse me what huh? I'm coming in and in my non-english perfection, I was so dense made stupid. I would never have put dents and tissue in breast in in the same three words. Right? Right. So that's when I learned that my mammograms every single one of them indicated. I had very dense breasts and nobody told Ed. I've never heard I was an educated informed women what the heck happened and that's when she said the next magic words and she said well, it's not the standard of K. To be told that you have dense breast tissue. That's when I learned that most doctors don't have to tell you. Well as a man, you would want to know if you have high cholesterol or you know, this is a very important part of your my physiology and what I then learned is women with dense breasts have a higher risk of developing breast cancer cancers in our dense tissue can be more aggressive and here's the Magic Bullet 50% of women premenopause have dense breasts. So you go in to have your mammogram and they don't even tell you like. Hey, by the way, I don't feel anything. But just so you know, you have dentist issues that might mask or or hide it so you may want to have like a subsequent something or something. Yeah, and and then I also learned not only does to 50% of women have dense breasts, but 40% of tumors are missed in dense breasts. So it was a blurry day, right? I went home and I was so utterly disillusioned with life. I felt my ignorance could kill me. I felt the medical system failed month and I was so angry and when I get angry I do something about it. And so that night I didn't sleep and as Dawn was breaking that morning. I swear I would change the standard of care was not good enough because our arrival any cancer. I don't care what cancer you have our survival lies in early detection. That's how you don't die from breast from any cancer. So I was not engaged at all. I voted in elections, but you know, like most people like I was kind of Clueless, right? So I didn't know who my representative was. I Googled him called him and I said to him you are getting you don't know who I am. But you're going to change the stand help me change the standard of Care for Women in the state of Texas because we deserve better. So that's kind of how the second pack active my life. Yeah rapidly unfolded. I I didn't sign up for it. Right? Right, but I really believe the universe picked me because yes, I'm a fighter and I'm not afraid to go to war and and correct and help again the mother in me write that other women don't have to go through what I'm going through. Yeah. Yeah, well off and just okay. Let's take a moment real quick. Cuz if that is something like you approached your real estate career far differently than like I said, I mean you you're you're way of approaching the real estate business would have been handed down for me as a broker to have, you know, it wasn't every day that I had it was very rare that I had relatives come in and approached the business what you did. Then when it comes to your health, you get a diagnosis not only is it a diagnosis but it's one that technically if early detection is the key to survival. It could have been detected probably earlier just walk in for poor information. So you find this out and you and you attack that and it totally differently than most people would to The Listener out there about what translate your mindset when these things happen to you. I would imagine it has its it probably goes into play. I can't imagine it not come to play in a horrible real estate deal. That's about to fall apart, but you attack it and figure out a way to find a solution what Take the listener through some of the steps of your mindset of saying okay. Here's how you should anyone can attack these things. If you're willing just I think first and foremost, you have to get out of your own feel. Sorry for myself for me. Okay, just get out of that. Yeah, right because that's what what you drowning. I'm I'm a I'm a Problem Solver. Okay flow diagrams. That's what I learned to draw in computer science. Right and I think for me action has always helped me overcome my money problems in because if you have a plan if you keep moving forward, yeah, keep moving forward. I don't care if it's if it's a 10 minute mile or 15 minutes if you can just keep moving put your feet one. Keep keep moving forward. Yeah moving forward. Yeah and what what that fighting for this cause wage? Did for me was it balance out my intense fear of death of losing my my life leaving my children at 8 and 10 without their mother it deflected off instead of focusing on that horrible possibility. I have something else entirely different that I could face put my attention and passion to all of that and and that's how I've done years of my life. And that's that's that's what I'm looking for. Cuz that's so profound because that's what I've learned in my life that that we were faced with the dramatic problem. If you could focus just on the problem and not the solution, that's where it right. That's where the wheels come off. That's where the depression sets in that's where you just become listless. And you know, I think too it's kind of like I don't care of the ones wanting to achieve in life and it's taken me into forty-five years to figure this out. But the journey focusing on doing the journey. Well, we'll take your mind off. Whatever the dark cloud or whatever it is that you're trying to achieve that you're you have a recent goal yet. You haven't found the cure for cancer yet. But being on that Journey he gives a purpose and a drive to reject that that it turns out negative energy into something positive and useful right and and it's basically saying and I'm a mess it up a little bit but I think it's the staircase climbing the staircase just put your feet on the first step and keep climbing, right? That's kind of what my life has always the universe my universe have always put signposts on my my path and if I'm just home office and looking at those signposts I just somehow keep moving forward it's funny. So I actually I don't know if I can pull up some put my phone on airplane mode, but every single day at least I talk to every day. I try to post a a little quote. That means something to me. Right and yesterday I do this on Instagram you actually Jerry Seinfeld. He said that he could sum up this I'm going to paraphrase here basically life is about potential staying moving that if you could sum it up and then today's I did a post from Cary Grant is said I pretend to be somebody I pretended to be somebody I wanted to be until finally I became that person or he became me. So, you know, it's it's kind of weird that both one is about moving and one is about, you know, not accepting who you are accepting the circumstances as they are But continuing on and on and on and eventually either they will change or you will change to overcome them. I think is kind of a kilogram of saying it sounds like you've lived that in a very profound way. And and and what I've learned my whole life is that no doesn't exist. Don't tell me no. No, he's off it just erase that. Yeah, I think a lot of people in my opinion two people are not afraid of failure. People are truly afraid of succeeding right? Because it blows your mind. We are so powerful. We we have so much incredible potential we can make such incredible things happen. Yeah. You just have to remove the doubt from your mind. Yeah. Well and your wife has to be big enough, right? Yes. Okay. So now here you are and this is something I love because obviously I've had quite a bit of experience with working with the legislative process in my in my career. I appreciate that exactly and hearing from a from from citizens. But this is what I love about you as that constituent as that's it off. You realize hey this I'm from South Africa. But now that America. Going to take advantage of the fact that this is a government of the People by the people for the people and you've our representative if I have to become a citizen lobbyists well signed me up because we got changed to make and you take hold of that. So what does that look like with all of a sudden you basically become a sense of lobbyists of sorts, right and with no experience real estate agent and he was very generous and kind after hearing my case. He he he accepted it. So for those listeners that don't know Texas only have a legislative session every second year. So I was diagnosing 09. So the day after that diagnosis I started working on this this bill this changing the standard of care and he came on board, but I was going through surgery radiation. I had a heart attack in between 09 was kind of a really not a good year for me, but brought us to 10:22 a.m. And we need to Circle back, but I'm just going to leave a little side note. That was the year when I also decided to start Ultra extreme endurance racing and I signed up forget about running a marathon. That's for chickens. I signed up as a non-runner never run a mile for a 100-mile Ultra extreme race in the Himalayas in India at 13,000 km 5 days. So while Alan bought my representative at the time was working through the legislator to set up the bill for 2011. I was training around White Rock Lake to go run in the highest mountains of the world a hundred miles. Wow, and I didn't care whether I was last all I wanted to say you was finished and that's another thing. I think people get bent out of shape. They think they always have to win. You know, again, it's the jury you have to be on the journey. Keep moving forward. Next checkpoint and make it to the finish and who cares if you lots of love it. So I did go to India. I did ran this race became addicted to ultra extreme endurance racing, which also means I'm addicted to severe discomfort and pain the kind of like a female David Goggins. Are you familiar with David Goggins? Okay, you've got to check out who David Goggins says because I'm telling listening to your stories. I mean a lot there's a lot of threats that are running parallel between yours and and hand for those of the listeners most of my listeners. They they probably do know who David is because that's kind of the the off-chance that I have. They're going to hear that. I guarantee you they heard some David Goggins speak in there. And because there was it's so much very tough circumstances early on in his childhood bites through he actually I believe it was completed ranger training Navy Seals training unbelievable Ultra endurance Runner very similar to you. There's paying don't make across She's just just hit it head-on. It's so cool. So anyway, I come back. So I'm in India the day after the race. I'm on cloud nine. I've never flown so high I finished 63rd no 47th out of 63 Runners. So I am at the I've never been so high right? So the your election is in progress. Yeah, 13 hour time difference. I log on and what do you know how involved lost his re-election? Yeah. Yeah and my dreams fell on the ground. I was like, what's going to happen often? Am I going to do this is devastating. Yeah. So anyways, okay, you know, it wasn't for me to change the standard of care. I'm going to have to figure it out for 2013 right came back to damage as the universe and and luck and everything had it as it was meant to be his chief of staff went moved to a representative from Houston. Okay, Ana Hernandez Louis And she brought my bill with her and presented it to Anna and Anna agreed to file and run it. Oh, wow. So I get a cold January literally the end of January Hindenburg. We are on can you be at the Capitol next Monday because your bill will be filed in the house, right? Okay. Wait what just happened? Okay. So anyway, I you know, I've never been to Austin never been to the capital. I showed up so overwhelmed and I will never forget another amazing man. Giant office hours from Houston right now. This big black guy huge guy. I mean I was he dwarfed over me. Yeah, and that day he said to me he he sighed little girl. I will file this bill in the Senate on your behalf. But you understand you're going to have to be the one to get this past. Wow, and I was like, yes, sir, so I drove back home. No experience in the legislative session. I mean I was so overwhelmed. I stood there in in the the capital the tundra where you know with relative returned along with all the presidents from the Republic of Texas with all the governors and the liberty Statue of Liberty above and I just was like why me how did this happen? But anyway onwards and forwards so I realized the only way I can do this is if I turn it into a sales job, so I went to sign my life and I spend about three hundred bucks while some art in the mall and I've spent about three hundred bucks on pink stuff. Yeah sweaters skirts dresses, whatever and from that Point Break made folders 200 pink breast cancer folders with my story. Yeah with my tumor with my boob my mammogram showing them that you can't see make these wage. And I went back to Austin and and I walked the halls and I talked to everybody anybody and everybody that would listen to me and I became known as that breast cancer women. Wow, and so unbeknownst to me. I didn't know that in the bill. It said this will be known as Honda slow. I only discovered that when Perry actually signed them two years to the day if my second surgery June 11th, June 17th, 2011. He signed it into law and we became the second state in the nation that passed dense breast tissue legislation and that subsequently drove because the first sight was Connecticut tiny small who cares. I'm sorry. I hope no Connecticut people understand but really right. So here we have Texas past and I have the pressure of Texas bringing because I was working with seven wage. And through Grassroots efforts and if I could pass Texas, if it could drop it would be adominal to drop other big States and within 12 months. We we had California, Virginia and New York. Wow. And today we had food. We have thirty-eight states that passed similar legislation. Wow, the horrible were page as the as the song like I told you the son of a breast cancer survivor. That's that's phenomenal. Nobody in Austin you were there, you know the system. Nobody gave me a shot. They looked patronized owes, you know poor little I mean you think you're going to get this done the first session. Yeah, but you know what my ignorance was ultimately my biggest asset. Yeah. They're like, I can absolutely see that well and thank God for it because now it's it's safer for women everywhere because of what you did and it's that's remarkable. That's remarkable. Okay, so now we've got him this long poem And you're an ultra endurance Runner. So do we go into act three? What are do we still are very much money. So, you know, I thought that I did something special and then I learned very shortly after that that it wasn't cool because doctors did not appreciate what I did because now they had to talk to women about their breasts. And Perry vetoed the Part of the bill that we pay with that would allow coverage for supplemental screening. So let me ask you that. So what was their hesitation off? I'm ignorant to this. What was was it a a liability issue? What was the reason he was in favor of it, including all the insurance lobbyists and Big weeks in Austin in the end the Small Business Association was in a very close Ally of Governor Perry and they convinced him not to southbound up part of the bill because their fear was it could increase premiums. Okay. Okay. So this was eleven. So in thirteen, we went back to pass the insurance component went back in 15 again, and and basically at the end of the day, it's ten years now and now it's just kind of solved itself off. Okay, and then what we also did very much is testified because my my big thing is until all fifty states have passed. It's still a woman are still at risk. If you live in a state that you're not being told and then more importantly until it is at the federal level. The armed forces are women in the armed forces would not know. So the journey kind of continued and I testified several times in front of the FDA and they announced last year that they will change the mammography quality standards a bath and sadly covert significantly interrupted the time timeline, but hopefully next year that will be modified and it will be a team lead level-2 educate and and come up with guidelines for women specifically with dense breast tissue. Okay, I went on to raise my kids off I got divorced because once you go through such life-altering experiences your life can never be the same right and I realized that my life is too short to being such unhappy in an unhappy marriage it real quick. I want to stop you there because there's certain things that I think that only you can understand having had that, you know, proverbial Thursday. Yeah that experience. Beach I want you to take some of the pieces as you started to evaluate evaluate your life differently as what what does life look like once you walk you cherish it a little it's sad that we have to get like that. It's sad that we have to come to that point. I think anybody could say that right? I mean, oh nine I did walk away with a pretty severe post-traumatic stress disorder drama which started in my childhood, you know, no magic there but looking at your own mortality in the mirror is humbling and terrifying and quite honestly my heart attack, which was pericarditis not blockage terrified me more because with cancer long time to say goodbye with a heart attack, there's no time. So it really hit home facility and how we need to live in the here now. I had the fortune in the last few years to meet the first let me go back. I struggled for several years about fearing dropping dead. And that's really what drove me to do these crazy insane Ultra extreme endurance races because by running a hundred and seventy miles through a jungle or a desert over 7 Days gave me somewhat comfort that I'm not going to just drop dead right and then leaning into that discomfort also wage, you know, because for seven days your feet are trashed you mind stress your bones your bike. I mean, it's really hard it it kind of offset my pain of my life in fear of of having cancer again, and so I got I made a long big progress in ten years and writing this book certainly helped me to really give voice to to the bath. Years, but so interestingly. I did finally meet the the love of my life three years ago gift card to gift from the from the just walk, you know. It's with anybody that's in an unhappy relationship. I encourage you to take your bags and go Life's Too Short. It's just a short and what I discovered through this love relationship is I suddenly became so fearful not if me dying, but if him dying and I'm using this page marketable relationship and so I've I've had to really come to terms what the residual effects are of a near-death experience sure. I have since then been reading and reaching out to other people. There's several books written on the subject and and it's comfortable for me to know that I'm not weird like this is truly is something that you know cancer survivors or heart attack survivors deal with. Yeah. Well, you have an up-close look at mortality in a way that you know, not everyone does that I mean, that's the thing too you like wage. Like we share, you know similar circumstances of being in a relationship with the gentleman my my wife it's like, you know, you start to put up guards of all sorts, but you but you don't realize that you have a whole different Dynamic whenever you have face mortality up-close-and-personal in a way that all of a sudden signs too. But again, like you said, it's not just about the the concern of you dying young guy. That's that's it. But it's like you having to deal with you realize others understand mentality. That's the right word. I was seeking. Yeah. Yes mentality in its, you know, the Buddha a switch. I read quite a bit of Buddhist material. I would never be one because I can't become a vegetarian or give up wine. But but you know, there's a beautiful Concept in Iraq is philosophy of sitting with death be comfortable with it. Right? Right. But anyway, so a part of this act three also is to continue my work in breast cancer awareness month. Is the Boston School of Medicine just published sadly in January December January a report that ten years after we've passed all these laws. Most women still don't know what dense breast tissue mean and sadly it is because the language was written at a too sophisticated level people don't understand. So I'm on a mission to build a platform to video I think video is it's a great medium and we just actually recorded several little Clips off because I want to tell women in layman's language what is dense breast tissue? What does it mean? What you need to worry about? What do you need to ask? Where do you need to go? And what do you need to do right away and then the second passion in this act three of my life is to to to try and come up with involve. Not cure because we can't but see what I can do in the Foster system to change some of that outcome. Terry Glenn 83 kids were 83 up his passion. He was supposed to keep that walked on to Ohio State and I want to continue his mission and goals and as a foster kid myself. I think we need to be interrupt that cycle of breakage because that is the feeder system for sex trafficking a criminal justice system for our homeless system. And as a foster kid will go in a different environment. What I remember in those years of being alone is being alone. You don't have a support system. You have nobody to call see if we can build a system using technology to help foster kids to plug into belonging because that's what we all want to do. We all want to belong. We don't all want to be her dead. And we all want to know who we can call when we have nowhere else to go. Yeah. Yeah, yo gentleman and I its Jill and brought into my world. She's had a heart for foster child. We don't have children store in Tyler and she's worked with foster children for a number of years. And and I guess I was naive to the the instability that that should have foster children because it's not like it's different people think well. There's there really a difference between foster children and those that get big become adopted. Well an adopted in all all things, you know being equal and adopt a child is settled in a home and it's raised there as long as a member of the family foster children are constantly walking on Shaky Ground and they're and they're trying to almost like some of the the older adults off of your Foster showed you you learn that they become chameleons because they just want to fit in where they obviously a master. I was Master chameleon. Yeah. Yeah, I understand and and so I don't want to birth. There's many just in Dallas. There's many nonprofits that's already doing work in foster kids. We need to do a paradigm shift. I don't want to just help twenty kids a year off. I want to help the 25,000 kids that age out of the foster care system. Yeah, we we've got we have its twenty twenty. We have the technology. We we've got everybody say to me. It's an elephant. You know, it's oh it's impossible. I love those words. It's those words that make me like get up in the morning. Right? But so anyway, I've got we have some home siding with the dairy then Eddie sweet kids Foundation. We have some powerful players and we working on a pretty powerful concept that that I think can be a paradigm shift. And once again Thursday, it's 2 to break that cycle to wear those kids when they have to that point of Which choice you make right? You asked me. How did I make the right choice? Well, some of it was luck. Some it was the role models in people in my life the teachers. Well, what if we can give those kids a second choice? An opportunity to where they're they have somebody to call. Yeah, they don't know. They don't know how to write a check. They don't know how to sign a lease. They don't know the things we your children you have an office in twenty-year-old just kids you've taught them how to do things that the foster kids they in puppy mills. They not learn those things are taught those things. Well, okay. So, you know as as Simon sinek as a business consultant is always saying start with Y and his Golden Circle here's here's what we do here is how we do it. But at the center of it is why and you as an entrepreneur now, I mean you have been for years and years, but now you have you're transitioning into something that is actually assisting in this process. So talk a little bit about what's going on now not as an entrepreneur of it as an entrepreneurial venture, but also one that is helping the these kids, but I'm just at a point in my life. I just celebrated my 54th birthday. I have been blessed. I'm Grateful, I was humbled by the incredible opportunities and gifts that I've been given and it's it's time for me to really give back and this latter part of my life. I want to use my intrapreneurial skills to generate I can move people I I can I don't have a lot of money. I'm I'm a nobody but I know a lot of people that are not they are big buddies they are and I feel I'm I'm I was placed on this journey home. I was three years old. My that's where this journey started when I was giving away and it's time for me to conclude that journey and between breast cancer and foster kids. I have found my purpose and I think at the end of the day as human beings, you know, Saint Augustine in the 1600 said immortality starts with living a life with remember you dead. And I was gifted with a life that I believe is worth remembering actually and and I want to never take that for granted and I truly want to see what which big mountains in I move and I know I can move them. Well and even if it's just a little bit that's the thing. I mean, I love that it's it's just chipping away. And so we'll talk about some of the products that you're creating an end. Also. I want to talk about, you know, I want to know I want people to know where they can find out about your cuz you're an author, right? Yeah. They're year you you're creating Now Products, you know, how long I wanted to tell us a little bit about him dog and and what you got going on with so the the products that you actually creating and again, you know, and this is this is so you and is that in a state of just starting a nonprofit and going out and God bless those who go out and do Capital fundraising campaigns would never but again it said you have said, well, there's a problem. I want to solve it. I'm an entrepreneur birth. I'm going to go use Waze to be more self-sustaining and in help so talk a little bit about that. So I I did write a book. I actually wrote to grit under my nails. You can find it on Amazon. I just gave us the audible as well which are really alive links to that both of those at the show as well. Sure, and you can find me in December and I know salmeron is a really big worth great under my nails will take you there too. You can just Google him. Slow and that's easy to find traffic. So yes, I am win the process my partner love of my life Christopher. We are launching a large CBD skin care line. No cannabis. Nothing will get you high. It's all him but CBD has been around 15,000 years hemp has been used Columbus sailed with it. The ancient Egyptians used it. I mean if it wasn't for Nixon, we would all be using it today. So anyways, it's dead. Three lines inspiration skincare that carries my name and it's predominantly aimed for people, you know going through things like cancer because it's got pain creams back here we growth and the goal with that is it to fund-raise my breast cancer awareness efforts. I will go ask people for money. I have no problem. But I also want to put my own money with my mouse ears and generate money to fund my vision, right? Yeah, and then inspiration is also part of that is for people to share their stories of inspiration as you and I talked earlier before the show started at the end of the day we storytellers we want to share our story. It's what could unify and connect us together in ancient times people sat around the campfire and told stories. So that's the concept of inspiration to build a platform to where people can share their stories of inspiration together and again, that will fund money. In the slow breast cancer in the summer and Foundation efforts and then hand dog. So that's my nickname for my kids. At first. I thought it was a real insult. How can you call me a dog and then I learned a wait a minute. It's cool. So hin dog is sick and CBD skin care line and we are going to use that to fund the territory next week. It's from a very cool and it's very much aimed. It's it's more of a hip, you know United Colors of Benetton unisex kind of product line for men and home Max leads and the Millennials and gen Z sand the whole bang and we also very passionate to our veterans. So it's going to benefit veterans organizations as well. And the third line is licorice a good I've until recently really never had a dog dealt with dogs, but I'm very animal friendly and so let's push a is home. Online product for for pets with CBD in Etiquette and we want to use that money to benefit shelters rescue groups etcetera. So at this point of my life and I want everything I do to have a social impact. Yeah cause that that can benefit and help right? Well gosh and I thought oh look. Okay. So you said that there's you know three acts by Lord and I think you're just getting warmed up. I really do and you know, I am so glad that you made that fateful journey. I hate the way your story started but also I can't help but be selfish and go. Wow, you know, the your your Universe has been benefit has benefited from that three year old little girl deciding. I'm going to prove that I am worthy and you've done that throughout this entire trajectory of your life. And and I can't tell you how grateful I am that you've shared your story up to a point because just from what I've learned about you this thing. There's a lot more there's a lot more acts and seems to follow well and I must say it took fifty years, but that purple became my most favorite color. It's the color of my the cover of my book and when I turned fifty I sail down the Nile on my 50th birthday in the most beautiful royal purple dress. Wow, so it truly is a color a powerful color and it's the color of strengths and I it's I'm happy that purple is my color. Well once again and again The Listener has has has listen to this you say you you you tend to take and and turn off. Beauty for Ashes and you you have that about you you see something and you turn it into something that could be seemingly ugly or whatever and you turn it into something positive profound sorrow and the amazing. Thank you so much for this time with so grateful. Sorry. It's your story. I don't care how long it took he wasn't there. This is the perfect. All right. Well congratulations on becoming get Texas Titan you have lived up to the work off. I am a Texan. Absolutely. Thank you so much. You have it folks was I right she is often. She's just a rock star and I can't tell you how grateful I am for you taking the time to hear her story again. Please consider going out to iTunes and giving us that five star rating. Thank you so much for being here the Texas Titans Off cast is a Texas Titans media production. I'm your host. Jason Wright. Who is As Always Forever grateful for you being here. Thanks folks.

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145. Click Bait, Bloggers, and the Best Defense for Slander

Chrisley Confessions

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145. Click Bait, Bloggers, and the Best Defense for Slander

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That i had to film and so julie and so it was you in savannah took over. I wonder if people like it better that she went savannah and chase office. May i dunno. Savannah did a really good job. Less she does do a good job for that yes. She does a really good job. So let's jump right in folks. Because i have lots of stuff to talk about this week. We've been on vacation. Which is the first that we've had in what a year are more a year a year. Maybe a little bit more. Because we're we're shooting multiple shows. But so we've been on vacation. And i know how everyone loves a recap of the georgia department of revenue as the world. Turns there and trust me. That world is turning daily. Will folks i want to. Officially announce have been sued by. Amy dougherty hines for slander and defamation of character now let me explain to you what that is. Slander is when you lie on someone. Defamation of character is when you defame their character well. The best defense for slander is the truth and character. I've always been taught growing up and it's always been my opinion that you can't tear down what's not what you don't have so you know i wanted to because a couple of little trash rags had picked up this this lawsuit and have calm attorneys for comments and one of them is a guy who is with the atlanta journal constitution. Rodney and rodney never gets an article right on but rodney wrote that. Josh weights resigned from the georgia department of revenue. Rodney journalism one. Oh one do your research. Josh weights did not resign. Josh weights was fired. He was fired for lying on his application. Which now sense after the firing. It's come up that he's committed felonies and everything else within the georgia department of revenue while while being there in running. Ami dougherty hines worked under josh weights with amy. Dorothy hines has committed crimes. Which what have stated all along. She knows she's committed the crimes. But i'm not going to get too far into it because we have the evidence to prove everything that i have said and everything that i have said has been based information that was turned over to wise from the georgia department of revenue. Or from georgia department of revenue co workers. Now we have these. We have these these things recorded. We have them documented. Everything that i have said was vetted prior to me saying it so we look forward to this going in front of the jury so that we can bring out everything that we know we look forward to the deposition taking place so there you have it. The lawsuit was filed. The gloves are and now the attorneys. Get to do what you do what they do. And we'll see where that goes but make no mistake about it a lawsuit. I'm not afraid of not now. Nor have i ever been view it as sport at this point so julie. I know that you are really having to say about that. Because you're bored with it already. So for that i apologize. I had you had to be subjected to it. My wife actually has too much class to to get on here and talk about all the bad things that have happened on the other hand him somewhat classes at times. Because i refused to allow ally to become someone else's truth. So with that being say ed at that we are moving towards deposition dates for our lawsuit against josh weights and the georgia department avenue and so many things have continued to come out and are coming out daily and it's absolutely baffling to me that you're not seeing this in the press. You're not seeing this own. Wsb tv in georgia. You're not seeing it in the atlanta in the aj say now the ajc tapes were turned over to a journalist. There that shows that money was missing. Guns body cams were missing misappropriation of fines. All of this. All of this stuff has been sitting with a reporter there in atlanta named bill. Rankin with the ajc. These tapes were turned over to ham. And he has not had the time to work for the people of the state of georgia. And put this information out there because it's a government agency and they all want to be in bed together so that they can. It's almost like it's almost like a mushroom and you're feeding us bullshit so the press wants to put out there. What benefits the people that they're trying to cover for. And that's what's happened with this whole georgia department of revenue thing now. I believe the total number right now is over. Forty people have been. Let go from the georgia department of revenue. The commissioner of the georgia department of revenue stepped down claims. He's going to run for a seat in congress but the irony of this folks is that these people are being allowed to resign. Josh was fired. That katy calvin mansell resigned. I think it's scott. Graham resigned jeff. Mitchell resigned leshan right was terminated. I think for theft from the georgia department revenue and. I'm quoting what. I was told that there was misappropriation of she submitted vouchers for things that she should not have been that were erroneous and collected. That money tried to pay back to the state. The state terminated her so she's gone and several others have been let go. Math thing is why are they resigning. Why are they being allowed to resign. These are crimes. These are issues with moral turpitude. I mean they should be terminated. Not resign to her. Then go to another government agency and do the same bullshit there. Just what they've done. Everywhere i at the department of revenue. But you know. I'm looking forward to all of this coming out. It's been coming out if you're following it and keeping up with then you know that everything that i have say has come to light. Now there's been a couple of other people that have messaged me on instagram. One of them. Which now we're getting. We're preparing this lawsuit. And she should be served with it. I would say within the next three to four weeks. She runs a tableau not even a tablet and she works out of our house. Some shouldn't have shit. It's called without a crystal ball now. She has written about our family. Because she's friends with lindsey our oldest daughter. So she she just writes whatever lindsey whatever she wants to ride or whatever liens told whatever and yes. I have some of those screen shots. Sent where this lady with without a crystal ball was messing with another third party. Sending screen shots of messages. That she hi. Ed regarding this whole situation now i want to be very clear and i said i was not going to do this because as a father i love all of my children that no parent should have to sit and not be able to have a voice for fear of what other people think about parenting. My oldest son cao his ex wife. Alexis will be. And lindsey all worked with the georgia department of revenue and josh waits to bring these charges. Now there's been articles written. That says todd owes an apology. I don't know an apology. Cow has already admitted what he did but cow did not act along. Cow acted in concert with his ex wife. Alexis and with lindsay. They all three. Were involved now this without a crystal ball wants to write one excerpt from these suppression hearing. That says the cow did a facetime or did a call. It was proven that kyle was the one that turned us in turned us in for what the georgia department of revenue head to acknowledge from that it went from a two million dollar tax liability to one hundred. I think it was seventy something thousand dollars. Otis refines on four other years. So that's not a win for the georgia department of revenue by any means this katie. Or whatever her name is with that does without a crystal ball but she is being sued. Now for slander. Because we have we have someone that screen shots everything that she does. And we've got her she's also being deposed. She's going to be deposed in september october. We also have phone records and we also have social media tracking now to show how the communications was going forward. It's amazing what a subpoena can get you but with that being said as bad as it is for me as a parent to acknowledge it. Yes my daughter. Lindsay christly campbell worked with josh weights. And the georgia department of revenue cow christly worked with josh weights and katie colvin with the georgia department of revenue cows x. Alexis will be who's being deposed in a lawsuits being filed against her worked with both the georgia department of revenue. And they told lies to the georgia department of revenue. Cow has acknowledged what he did. The rest needs to do the same so there is no victim. I haven't falsely accused my daughter. That has not happened now. If i'm challenged by this. I will post everything that i have on my instagram. From all the text messages that we now. Hi out from the affidavit. That josh weights has given confirming that lindsey was a source that he was working with to gain information about her family with hopes of bringing charges against us tax evasion so the relationship between lindsay and as she has stated and i quote i think a couple of weeks ago. It was sent to me on instagram. Where she stated she does not have a father. Yes she has the father she chooses to state that she doesn't have a father but i am her father regardless of the other. What was the other message. That is where she. It's now been stated that i'm not her biological father so now i've been told i'm not her biological father if i'm not her biological father than i hope. She has a better relationship with the biological father. She had with the one that raised her. But would that being said. I know who she belongs to. She is my child. I love her and will die loving her but lindsay. And i do not have a relationship and that relationship unless god intervenes will not change. The damage has been done. There's been too much hurt. There's been too many lives that have been told and the world is going to see these lives because these depositions are getting ready to take place all of this information about leaving the show and how that came about and and talking to the georgia department of revenue and leaking stuff to the press and all this all of that stuff we now have and all of that stuff is going to be brought out and it's going to be shared with the world just like all the lives had been shared with the world okay. Everyone knows that your bank account should work. We do not against you and after all you've earned your money and you deserve to keep it. Chime is an award winning app and debit card with no hidden fees or monthly minimums. I mean how great is that fee. Free overdraft on up to two hundred dollars in debit purchases with spot me. It's like overdraft protection but better get your paycheck benefits. 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Which i love to the daytime running lights that are stylishly hidden within the front grille making them invisible when not in use to the ten point two five inch full touch infotainment screen go learn more at hyundai dot com. Now i wanna make sure were that. Everyone understands that. The reason that i brought this topic up today is because kyle has done a lot of bad things in his life from drugs alcohol abuse not being there for his daughter. You know a lot of bad things. A lot of bad choices colleagues made but college on the best track that he has been on since since i can remember. He's drug-free he's alcohol-free he works everyday. He does what he's supposed to do. So what i won't do is allow tabloids to write. That cow was the one that turned me in our tried to take me down and let everyone around him that that used him as the pawn to do it escape and act like they had nothing to do with it. Because that's not true. There were four individuals that were involved math former. Ceo lindsey alexis and cow. We know all of that. We have all the information. We have the phone records. We have the text messages that have now been turned over. We have emails that confirm this. We now know what none of those four ever wanted us to know. So this is not an attack now. I know that they will be cryptic messages posted on people's instagram. I don't care how many you post. Because i'm not gonna play that game. I'm not gonna post things on instagram. i'm not going to be shady. I'm going to let the legal system. Do what the legal system needs to do. And this information is going to be brought out and it will be turned over to the us and it will and then the world will know. The truth is sad is that is folks. It does me no good it. It truly burdens my heart to have to say that two of my children that i raised from the moment they drew their first breath that i have loved beyond anything could have done. This is it truly truly breaks my heart but the truth is they did. It doesn't mean. I hate them. Doesn't mean that if either one of them needed me that i wouldn't be there for them. I've proven that. I have been there for kyle his whole life. I've been there for lindsey now regardless of whether or not that serve her story. She's got her story and she's going to tell her story. I know what the facts are. I know that their mother gave gave them away and never looked back. The only one that has shouldered the responsibility of my children. Financially emotionally psychologically. clearly. I failed miserably as a father. When it comes to lindsey in cal. I clearly failed miserably but we are are failed was that i could not replace their mother. That's where i failed. But with that being said lindsey. I know you listen. I love you. I love your son. And i wish you nothing. But god's blessings. I hope that god pours grace over you. I hope you have a wonderful life. And i hope that at some point the hatred and the disdain that you have for your family. I hope that that will that will subside. And that god will replace that with peace because there is no hatred there is no loathing there is no contempt for you in your family's hearts you have your life. We have ours we we we pray every day for god bless you and to move you on and that's what we want to see happen so this will be the only time that i will ever answer another question about what went on in our family. What went on in our family. You guys will get all of the details. September october when these depositions you start rolling out that information will come out and then you will know and it's not unlike what happens in so many other families you have resentment. You have greed. You have jealousy and that's what happened here. That's what happened people. Ask me all the time todd. What is the greatest thing that happened from the front from the reality show. And i always would say you know. I think the greatest thing is that you know we as a family. We get to work together every day that financially it has moved us forward on. It is allowed us to be able to do things that we had not done. Prior to and and that it has been overall mostly it's been a very positive experience but then they say what has been the worst thing that has happened. And i always say the lack of privacy. We sold our privacy to the world because any other family. That has an argument with one of their children. Nobody knows about it but because we have a disagreement or an argument over match match children doing things that they were not raised to do. Or that i don't think is right. And of course then they they're adults. They want to go do what they wanna do. Make their own mistakes. I don't have to condone mount nor do they need my permission to do it. They're san is not mind to caring. But what i will say is that everything happens for a reason so when you send me a message and you ask may do you miss your daughter. Yes i miss not honor. I miss my daughter every day. Because i have loved lindsay from the moment. She drew her first breath. I thought you know. This child has filled a hole in my heart. That i never knew could be failed. And then for it to go from that to where it is today to where it will remain is sad. And it's heartbreaking but it is what it is but that doesn't mean that my door is closed. It doesn't mean that. If my child needed me that i would not be there so the last time i will ever address anything to do with lindsay and with kyle on this podcast via social media. I'm going to deal with this trash. Raga who claims to be a writer who tries to pay your power bill and clicks ow. Katie joey with without a crystal ball. I'm going to deal with her and litigation and she's going to for a deposition and she's being served in katie. Yes we know what we have your address. We're going to have the process server to serve you unless you have an attorney. If you have an attorney please send that information over to baulch and bingham and jonathan deluca. You can reach him at baulch and bingham. He's waiting for you to send ever your attorney's information so that your attorney can accept service of it so you don't have to be as you like to post on social media people are harassing you katie. Joey nobody is harassing you. Nobody gives a shit about you. You're nondescript but go ahead and call and contact. Jonathan deluca with balkan bingham. Give him your attorneys number if you can afford one if not the starting point one for you because you start this shit so you've got to pay for it. Give contact him. Give him your information so that he can serve you with the proper documentation and we look forward to sitting across the table from me with a deposition and confronting you with things that you have sent out via twitter message. Those damn twitter messages will get you every time. Katie every time. And i'm gonna make sure that when we post that when when you're depositions completed and we post those it's going to show all of the people that you claim to be confidence with end squaws celebrities on its show them how loyal you are to them so i would say people that are dealing with katie. Joey and this without a crystal ball and you're leaking stuff to her. You might want to be careful because what you leaked to her. She lakes to others. So that being said it's been a great week. Yes rate week on vacation savannah had lebron's earlier that for her sassy cosmetics line that launched that literally went crazy. I mean it went crazy. Her brush kit has gone crazy. They've now restocked both of those items twice within the last twenty four hours. her her is at her palette. Her full-face palette for her sagnier full face pallet. Sold out again for the fourth time and several of her lip colors have sold out so she is so excited and so so happy and blast for all of the people who support her through that. Because it's wonderful to have a child that has a passion for something and you get to see them actually make a living doing what they love to do. And that truly makes me so proud from the bottom of my heart that she is such a kind considerate. Compassionate young woman united said this to the couple that came up the other day. Tom how beautiful she was. And what was my comment. She's pretty on the inside than she is on the out. She is absolutely prettier on the inside than she is. The out you know then then we've been bombarded with all these messages about prop from people saying. Oh my god. Are nick in savannah back together and nick and savannah that together. The nick has never left our family. Nick is always going to be a part of our family. 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Why four or five new auto customers recommend progressive progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customer survey in twenty twenty potential. Savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. People want to know what's going on with chasing emmy it's chasing amy. It's their business. It's not our business. Make it my business. Because i want to know where my kids stand emotionally. And we're with each other every day chases twenty-five at what was it told him that. What was the advice you gave him that. You did not want to see him. Do do what before. He was a certain age. Get here yes yeah before. He's thirty not before thirty. Julie is adamant that she does not believe that guys should get married before they're thirty now just does not believe it and i what what is it. Science says that guy's a male's brains don't even fully developed. They're like twenty eight okay. My kids are a little bit slow. So i'm saying thirty. I mean who you should not get married to someone before you even have a fully developed brain does make sense. So that means my. Brian was not fully developed. When you married me it was close. 'cause i was how twenty no twenty eight twenty. Yeah so you were see. I wait your brain gala for twenty five years eight twenty five with magni fifty three and i'm only forty-three okay. My kids aren't good at math. Either from their father. But you know we've had a. We were having a great trip. We're doing our podcast here and panama city. I not actually panama city. I'm sorry a little town near panama city. That's called but this lynn haven lynn haven and we have someone new. That's running the podcast for us here. Who has been lovely. Although i was late this morning i had to apologize. But so you know. We're having a wonderful wonderful time. And you know we sit and play spades all my with the kids and and with my mother and we really have had the best time and i refuse to allow lies and and people trying to tear us down with their narrative. I refuse to entertain that because we we live our truth. We know when our troops is. We're not out here writing stories and selling stories on any member of this family our own anyone else just for click bait because we don't folks the money we even. If we didn't have any money we wouldn't do it. We would never have we ever know nor would we ever know. And we're never going to. I mean this is the most that i've talked about where things are with me. And lindsey says this whole thing started and again. I want to preface lindsay as my daughter. She is beautiful. She is bright. She graduated never left the danes last. Georgia you know with a four point host georgia stay. She is so bright. But listen just because you're someone's parent doesn't mean that child has to like you and clearly she doesn't like me. I love her. And i know that deep down she loves me but hurt people hurt people and i love seeing some of the growth that i'm seeing and some of the things that that she puts out i loved that she's wanting to do bible study. I love that. She's quoting scripture. You know it's not. It's not in touch time. It's in god's time. And so i love to see that growth and i love that. She is doing so well with Coffee combos i love that. She's doing great with her coffee. Combos i love. She's doing great with her. She's got another one now that she's just started. I love that. She's found her niche. And what she likes to do because i believe everyone has a purpose and she has worked hard to get to get to that and for that i applaud her and i want to make sure that everyone leaves this podcast today. Knowing exactly what the truth is ban and there is nothing but love on this side and we will always be cheering for her on the back end again wishing that god bless her and move her on this move on the first caller place julie. My name is sharon and i'm from charleston south carolina. I know that close to where your old stomping grounds are I'm a new listener. And i'm a news watcher. I just found your show. And then Looked up deep podcast. He's do and i'm in my car a lot so I'm really enjoying listening to it. I just want to let you know that I was widowed at forty. I'm forty five now. My husband passed away very unexpectedly from widowmaker heart attack when he was forty one in twenty sixteen so I have gotten myself back together and have moved back in south carolina were in texas and You know things are better on a day to day. Basis obviously E- move forward. You don't really move on. But i just wanted to say that i get that and i still have bad days or a hair song or there's a holiday or something and And just enjoying both of your shows because it really helped me to laugh and so Never i'm feeling sad. I just go into. I have a million Castellucci stuff. I just go back and listen to all your historical podcasts and really I really am appreciating it and it. Just it helps me so much you as you'd my daily prayers and how god bless you and your family and I don't know do these. People are up at your house. Eleven thirty at night. I love you. I love all y'all but i don't wanna see you at eleven thirty. How'd you just like wouldn't the hell is going on so meryl you know eight or nine o'clock in the morning but i don't wanna feel me so i'm so sorry that people do that. I didn't But it doesn't laugh. It makes me laugh because I just can't imagine what i would do. So anyway Big love and thanks from charleston south carolina. And i'm going to keep on listening. I'm excited for all your new shows. Make dating show in the face. Show in the julie in joe and all of it and i'm watching the show with savannah in change so anyway last love. Y'all don't have a question. I just wanna say you beat so. Thank you so much widowed from charleston. I wish i had your name. Because i hate addressing you that way first off charleston is like truly one of the truest loves of my life. I love charleston south carolina and that is where i'm going to retire I'm sorry about your loss. But i love to know that you are. You're moving forward in your life. She has such a great spirit in the in the voicemail that you laugh because i don't know how many people could have that that just spirit about them after something like this happens. I mean you think about being with your partner and in growing old together and yes. Death is inevitable and we're all gonna face it but i mean two faced at forty. That's that's crazy it is. I would love to have a wish you would have addressed whether or not you still have a relationship with his parents. Jillian i just had a conversation. The other day about something on. Julia has her mom and dad. That are still living. I have my mother and you know in my state. My mother is taken care of. If i go. I my mother's to be taken care of and you always make a joke at a bit that in front of my mother mama. Don't you worry if something happens to me. I shoot it as not control your money you get. You will be taken care of and stay in live the same way that you live right now. Although i know that my wife would take care of my mother till the day she drew her last one hundred percent but the other day i was getting out of the shower and you said something to me actually set it. We're not gonna get. We're going to go there because we're on the podcast and that's what we made a commitment to do on this podcast. So the julie say ed that well if something happened today you know. Her parents are moving to national and as in moving close to us and she said well i mean. I don't want you to if something happened to me. I mean kick my parents out in that kind of what you say it. Yes and so as say and i was so offended. I was so unlike ended. Keep it. I was so offended by that. Because you as said to you. Do you think. God forbid if something happened to you that i would not take care of your mom and daddy now and now i think you absolutely would but there was prefaced comment. That was made before. Hurt my feelings. So that's what kind of started it. I feel like but i think that it was. I think that the comment that you're referencing was how you're setting this whole thing up because you manage all of their stuff right so you were setting up where you wanted them to buy and and how much money was going to be allocated to that. And whatever and then we'll just make sure everything is documented the right way so the accountants habit so there's no question because let's be honest we have had. We have been accused of tax. So let's make sure everything is all eyes. Were that the hundred percent and you took that as me saying you can't help them is that is that kind of what you were talking about. No but that's okay. What what what was it. Just say what it what it was not just don't want me introducing them to your replacement i guess what it is. If only it was possible to get a list of great candidates the moment you post a job online will it is indeed instant match the moment you post a sponsored job you get quality candidates whose resumes on indeed match your sponsored job description. When hiring gets hard you need indeed the job site that makes hiring incredibly simple just attract interview and hire in fact with indeed. You can do all of your hiring in one place even interviewing. 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That's i n d e e d dot com slash c. c. offer valid through september thirtieth terms and conditions apply. The whole crux of. It was folks was that make sure everything is documented so that all the accounts have everything. So there's no question about whose money is here and who's monies they are and this that and the other and you were offended by that thinking that i was saying that you can't use any money from our family to help your family is that. Is that kind of what you were saying. No no i was not offended. Because that's not what you sad but what did i say that that offended you because all i said to you was make sure that all the money is allocated four so that we know who's this white and you looked at me and said okay well. I thought everything that we had was. I know you're right. You're right you're right. So that's right and i sit. It is our right but make sure it's done properly. So the account i agree. I don't even know how we got off on this tangent. Because we're talking about this sweet lady astor has has i wanted to know what if she still has a relationship with her his parents after he passed away. So you see folks. This podcast is really not about what advice we can offer you guys. But it's about what you guys give exactly exactly. And so the point that i was making is that i said to you. Do you believe if something happened to you. Because you've had breast cancer. You had health issues and something. God forbid happened to you. Do you believe that. I would still maintain my with your parents and that i would take care of them until god for sure so you know for sure. Okay sure and me. Likewise you'd better bet. I'll always take care of her mud. Well listen collar. Thank you so much for just leaving those sweet words and for being a new listener. I love to hear that we have new listeners that we have new viewers watching our show after eight seasons on love that in nine seasons on august twelfth i think is the premier date for season. So that is so so so good. I loved that and i love that. You don't wanna come to my house at eleven thirty at night and and save me walking around in pajamas. Nor am i gonna meet you at the cracker barrel at nine o'clock in the morning but i will meet the cracker barrel bob around eleven. Third thirty is kind of like my visibility. Time that's the time. You can view me when i get rest. Walk out the door so listen thank you so much. God bless you and god bless you on the days that you have in store for you next caller place. Hi todd and julie miami jill. I currently live outside san diego I know you guys build your own home and went through that process when you guys have any tips on things to do than troop weighed. What for not slept for Unfortunately my family and i lost our home. Values tires this past timber so we are unfortunately push in. Cb situation have having to rebuilt Our home from scratch and don't really know where it's just start with that process so any by you guys have with evening thing and so much jill from san diego so sorry that you lost your home but i guess it is a blessing that you're able to rebuild you wouldn't even be having this conversation You know as far as building a ham tottenham have actually never built a home from scratch like we've never built a home from the ground up. I mean how crazy is that But we have we have built. We have done multiple multiple renovations and extensive renovations. So my best advice to you would be to truly have a list of must have a list of things that you absolutely absolutely want your house and to and to make sure that you you get a good architect get somebody because it's easy in your mind you see especially like with instagram. And you see all these different things and you start. Put it all together and you don't really know if it all goes together so i think it's it's having that list of okay. These are my must have as far as like how many bedrooms how many bathrooms you know. Is you know. I doubting raymond must or is it not a must So i think it's. It's taken the time not rushing into it. And i also think that not going with everything that's trendy you know not picking things that are just trendy for the moments talk you who teaches our children that you of course who i struggle with most with that probably sedan yes because savannah wants the newest shiniest thing and i try to tell her bath. Things that are timeless. Bath things that that can that can transition forward. I think that if you buy a beautiful antique buffet or server. What have you that you have in your dining room and you move to a contemporary home. If it's a nice beautiful piece and you assess aroused piece correctly then it just becomes like another work of art. And i'm not huge on a house full of antiques. But i do like a few of them scattered around you know just because i think it gives weight to the room and it gives kind of character and a certain level of seriousness to the design. Think that a lot of the projects. We're working on several right now. You and i just jillian. I have never. We've owned a lot of homes. And i've gone in and read and i've gone in and renovated and redecorated and whatever our home in atlanta's season. One was our first brand new home. And i went in and decorated that. And you guys saw it when the show aired the first season but that home was built by builder. It wasn't us that did that floor plan but we loved it and we bought it but jillian. I said the other day this new house of ours is being done exactly for is. It's the first house that we will have done. That will leah not for resale but for how. We want to leah right. We've always said okay. Well we really love this. But it's probably not the best thing for resale so we scratch it or we need to do this because it is the best thing for resale and that's kind of how we've always done with every house we've ever lived in but with this go round. We're not tonight. We're doing our master bedroom that you know you guys are gonna see this on the show that we're doing our master bedroom the sleeping chambers in the center and then i have a master bathroom. Junior has a master bathroom. I have a huge closet. Julie has a huge but then she has a makeup area that's designated just for her makeup on and then there's a sitting area in there and then that's our like oh acis folks julian aspen a lot of time in our bedroom when the cameras are all. Yeah not doing all. Y'all think i'd like it to be more than what it is but let's face it any way. Just not as young as she use. Okay but you know we. That's where we go. Yeah when we retire for the night. That's where we go and we watch our tv in there right. The kids come in. Sit on the sofas. And they're laying the floor or they're laying. Across the bed we all congregate. It seems to our master bedroom and always have and so bush plant the show was filmed at. We finished every episode out in our master because that is our real life. And we're excited that we're going to be able to have this house. Be exactly what we want. So the advice that i would give you is. Don't wait until you're fifty. Mb twenty five houses in before. You actually do a house with everything that you love in it. Don't worry about the next people that's gonna come along because the chances are they're going to want to put their own stamp on it when they buy it from you and what you loved. They may hate but let them have. Let them spend the money to do that. Live with what you love and this is the first time that jillian are going to be able to have a property that we can say we live where we love. I mean because we're going to have every we well you're going to have you're going to have your kitchen set up the way you truly want it set up. Now listen the home that we that we have right now was a two year renovation and turned out absolutely gorgeous but it's also a home that we received an amazing offer on and that we're selling and the next house that we're doing is gonna be we're gonna be able to say that we love where we le- of and we love the way we live in this house and you know we don't have i always think about. I've got five kids. I've got five kids and like my child because you know we've had her since she was six months old and so six kids and then you start thinking about when they have children. I've got to have enough room for each of my children to come home and for their children to have a place to sleep. So then i start looking at okay. Maybe i just by a commercial building a house we just keep growing and you know the kids have friends come over and this was said to me and it was when it was said to me a couple of weeks ago i was like i came home to julian older. It was said to me by a recording artist. National younger kid huge in music right now and he said you know what mr todd. You are the dad to every young person national. That's in country music. You give the best advice to all of us and you know you don't have a problem getting in our ass. And i said to julius that i truly believe that that that scott's god's plan that all of these people that have some level and we all have broken this but all of these people that are broken are struggling with something. They always somehow seem to find a way to be sitting at our table. Though true there they always end up sitting at are able that literally yes but also figure figuratively because they will talk to you or text you or communicate with you whether it's instagram or just a text message. I mean yes and you know this new house. Even though my kids will all have a bedroom they'll have a bedroom suite if they need to come home. I'm really doing this house for my grandchildren. Just dropped my grandbabies off at the front gate and y'all pick them back up when you had enough Because we're going to get to lee of in this house. I'm going to get to watch. Julie have fun in this house. Cook the way she wants to cook. Have everything have a place. There's gonna be a place for the kids to escape to its. We're putting our thought into this process now so that we can grow older in this house and so that my grandchildren can grow up in this house as i start getting more grandchildren and and i'm ready for that folks. I mean. I know that julie's not ready for that judas. Not won't chase me hurrying until he's thirty and right now i don't think he that's not even on his radar and i'm glad for that but you know i would like from chasing savannah to settle down and get married and let me have two grandchildren. And then i'll i'll be good at that point. How good i am. I not good at changing naipaul's you are but more than that. I know making sure that i tell them. Yes on everything. okay gotcha. It's not my job to tell them. now it's the parents job. So i wish you huge luck in your home because your decisions need to be based off of what you and your husband love and are excited about and everything that you wanted to have in your home before it was destroyed. Now you have an opportunity to correct the things that you didn't like then so good luck to you and god bless did you know. 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Andy and my wife. Amanda in Our son oliver pyatt. We just love your show so much. And i don't really have a question. I've two things. I wanted to tell you guys Your show came to us win These two boys are actually our our little cousins that we've adopted because of an abusive situation and In the middle of that There was a lawsuit to try to take him out of our care after about six years of having them and Your your show brought us joy And the escape from everything to get Through those times you our faith in god first and foremost but also your show now. God used your show to encourage us to lift us up. And i just wanted to say thank you even inspired us to make Our own podcast About our family life. And everything. And i've gotta i'm not a. I don't say that that is on this Voicemail that wasn't the purpose of my call but The second thing i was gonna tell you is listening to the episode. Right now about This stalker that's out there in My heart goes out to you and Paid the people want you to know. Todd we got your back. We're here if you need us. We got your back now. i am from texas. we've got your back anyway. Thank you guys Talk you're awesome any phase amazing. The kids to chase chase would get along. I like double bass candles. To and i'm a big boy but i like the best handle this julie. Just the portrait of plas. I couldn't say enough. Good things about you guys. We love y'all. We just wanted to say to see you today so on behalf of my family to yours. God bless you guys and keep up what you do it. That was the best that was the best call in. Yes this is truly been like great podcasts just with affirmation just sweetest caller and jason. I'm not a bad person that julie is a huge vat person takes about every night chase getting a chase and now gross and i'm like dude. What are y'all doing. Get in the shower where you're just sitting there soaking in your own funk and like daddy chill out it helps to relax me in. Then i take a shower. I might so i'm got double the water. Bail that listen you know you have an amazing story and you know you know. God bless you for what you've done in your family. I think family comes in all shapes sizes forms colors. Whatever i think family is. I think the definition of family is love and acceptance. And i don't think that that's a blood tie because we have people in our life that we love as good if not better than some of our own family and they were people that god chose to place in our life that we didn't that we got to choose and so that is a blessed now as far as texas goes. I think julie will tell you. Todd is what you really are texan at heart. I i am a huge texas van. I love dallas dallas. Where i wanna move to cannot talk julie into leaving tennessee but dallas where i wanna be wanna be in preston hollow are in holland park our university park. And i'm still having to work on julia. Because everything's about julie ever about tie that's not true. That's not true that i love texas and you know i went to a concert with che with grace and the other two weeks ago. Some cody johnson and it was in nashville at the ramen and with cody johnson and code is a texan and anyone who has not which i don't know if there's any in the world who is who can say they've never heard cody. Johnson folks. This guy sings a the rafters off of the roof. And i felt a all of his guys that was it was there with him. That was his doing his stage managing and whatever they were just such amazing people. All texans and you know chasing grayson nick and myself went and did the celebrity softball thing for the veterans there in texas about two months ago and you could not ask for any nicer people. I love texas julie. I love. I know an eta. But jason our hats off to you guys For taking your little cousins and adopting then you truly have given them an opportunities that i'm sure they would have never gotten and the fact that you were able to take them out of an abusive situation. I mean is my hat is off to you and you guys do and your podcast. I wish he would have left. The name of your podcast. You'll have to call back and give us the name but best of luck to you guys because anybody that knows me knows i am all about lifting someone else up. There is room for all of us whether it is doing podcast or show or whatever it is. I believe in lifting other people up. I have friends in nashville. Who are in the social media world the influence world. u2 podcasting and they're like. I'll send you what i'm selling. I'm like no. I want buy what you're selling because i believe in supporting small businesses. I believe in supporting each other and lifting each other up. I mean i love my friend jenry. She has candles coming out this week. A candle one candle. She did her own candle and she's been working on it for years. I will be ordering jin scandal. I'm and we will tell you if jen's candles good. But i do love that about you because i love that people. You're not say this for years. 'cause juvenile both grew up very very middle class and paid for everything that we ever are wounded and we had to work for some things we we couldn't get because we didn't have the money to do it and we had to keep working harder and save until we had the money to do it. But when you are on television when you get to a certain level everyone wants to give you everything and you know. We have all these young people young entrepreneurs that reach out wanting us to promote their products. And whatever and let us send you this and let us do this and whatever and she always says no. Let me buy your product. Tell me what sit. Tell me what it is. Let me look at it. And if it's something. I have interest in that. I will purchase the product because we don't want you giving us anything and then thanking that. We're going to line tell people that it's great when it's not just because you gave it to us so we feel like if we by then we're not obligated to do anything other than to tell the truth about the experience that we've had with the product right so i i do commend for that. I mean start taking a few more. Okay we got time for one more caller. Are you looking for excitement in your life. Are you looking to make chains. Do you want to move to a new city. Do you want to find new friends. Do you want to be the best version of yourself. I'm lexie and this is my diary of agenda podcast. I spent half my life on the ground the other half in the clouds. This coming of age pau gasol real questions but explorer daydreams to check out at lexi every week. Podcast one next caller place high time delete it. I'm only hundred from arizona. Phoenix you ever come out here. Definitely go enshrine. Our great tacos. Yeah my house. I'm a manager there. And i definitely some free tacos or the best anyway. I'm gonna say who todd you're amazing do leaguer feet heart and i absolutely love everything. The christie's has off i. I was just listening in on your podcast from yesterday. And i totally agree with you on when you say like. Oh yes my kids. They're they're turkish kids to they were born in the house. Where you and julie worth your butts off to get to where you are and you have to raise them. Of course i'm gonna leave him on the story. i'm gonna make them struggle and that's just the privileged just born into but as much as they had the frivolousness hostile work for it. And you can tell that you're through everybody else other like every kid is different in every state has a different work shake and savannah and have worked their butts off and i've watched him grow up with me actually thing age and i and they have worked them off and they've actually inspired me to do just as much and i just wanted to say on with media podcast i in mind my real estate license For my birthday. I'm stating up money aside to get the state license because i just want a second income port management job. I love my job. And i love managing mukasey but i just want another source of income. Another way to raise the bar. So you guys for everything you do. You had inspirational to me and your whole family. And i wanna say your guys are so we can have a three day and enjoy. Thank you so much alejandro. I let me say. I'm so proud that you are working and trying to save your money so you do your real estate julian. I would like to pay for you to get your real estate license. 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