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"Like that. Carol with Pam Gold. She's president and CEO of Shepherds Hope, also a member of the Orange County School board, and we're gonna be talking, in fact about getting those young students ready for the school year by getting vaccinations and that kind of thing. Thank you so much for joining me. It is a pleasure to be here. Thank you. I would love you to talk about you know what it's like for their students and the opportunities they have to get vaccinated, But I think we should start at the beginning and tell people what shepherds hope is what your mission is. Shepherd's Hope is a free Charitable clinic for the under served and uninsured in the region. We have five locations that we operate out of, Um and we really fit the niche of acute and specialty care. Often times, people have something that comes up right, just like we do. Where we can't get into a doctor. We don't have a primary care doctor and we need to go somewhere while our first That's the emergency room and that's not Always the best place to go unless it's truly an emergency, so shepherds hope is available to people on a walk up and telehealth basis. Walk ups are first come first serve, and then we do telehealth appointments, usually for follow ups, but sometimes for first time assessments. And we run all kinds of specialty clinics. Everything from liver to cardiology from heart to G. Y N So we really are trying to be the place for people to get care so they can thrive and not continue to get sick or development. Give us a sense of how many patients you're seeing in a given week and and how did that can out during the pandemic? So since we started 24 years ago we've seen and provided over 300,000 medical services. So it's it's a lot. Um, we do on average in a normal year about 20,000. In in delivering everything from labs to X rays to exams to prescription check ins to you know, following somebody threw a treatment protocol. Right now we're seeing numbers go back up during the pandemic. What happened with the shutdown and then the fear about coming out to medical locations. We saw people holding back and we're seeing people come with more acute issues than they previously had. So they've let their hypertension though maybe up to a year longer. We've had two women who presented with stage two breast cancer. The clinicians think might not have gotten that fire. Had they come in a year ago. Things like that that we're really seeing, you know, people who might have been pre diabetic that are now in flow, full blown diabetes that need Now chronic and a lot of education in order to manage this new disease that they have, So that's really the aftermath of what we're seeing. We're also just in a survey in April and from the last two years we did a two year comparison. 2019 and 2020, which of course, 2020 was very small because we're right in the thick of things. But we're seeing 10% more unemployed because a lot of the patients we usually see are the lower income employed folks who may be working multiple jobs or work for employers that don't offer insurance or the co pay is so high they can't afford. To share in that, so it's um You know, that's pretty dramatic until we get everybody that's been displaced, replaced into the into the world of employment. We know there's people who need help out there have never even saw our kind of help before. So telehealth you mentioned earlier. Is that a piece of what's come about and to help get those people the treatment they need. So that's the lemonade that came out of the lemons. Covid deltas, right? Um, we were able to get some grant funding to really put in a robust telehealth. Process which we are in the process of fully launching. We were using telehealth for the last year. Some telephonically then video, but now we have a transcription component. We've purchased machines that are key asks that will allow us to build our capacity. Even when we don't have a clinician on site we can either Call him in remotely or these things are so smart. They'll record recession and then the physician can read it later and then we can follow up with the patient for whatever the next step is. So we're implementing all of those tools in order to increase our capacity and also make it easier for folks who don't have access to transportation all the time, right, so they need other ways to access healthcare, So we're trying to create much more flexibility and much more ability. To access that care easily. You know, it sounds like also a solution of sorts for the fact that it is first come first serve when people line up, and that could mean maybe they're outside in the rain and those kind of things Yes, that is true. So it will help to manage. Um, certainly our line because prior to Covid we had about 1200 turn aways on the first come first serve traditional basis. Remember, we're operating five health centers, one out of a mosque on Saturdays and then one in Longwood one downtown. One on the East side. And then our first ever built purpose built building, um, in Winter garden, half of ninth Street and and so you're correct, you know, the more Ability we can have and plus, if people are working hourly jobs, it's really hard for them to come back for a follow up visit. Or maybe to do that health coach check in person where we could use Telehealth to see how their medications are doing to see if they're counting carbs, and we're teaching them that. How are they doing with that? Do they have any questions? Are there challenges So not everything will has to be done in person anymore, which gives them a lot more flexibility. I also want you to speak a little more to the idea of the Children who are getting treatment and and going through because that's gonna then allow us to bridge into the needs this summer. So how many Children are you serving? What are you finding with them? Um Children are are about 12 to 17% of of our group. Because once they get insured, they go right to a medical home, which is great, which we try to get everybody to a medical home as they get through there. Crisis or their acute care needs. But what? What we're seeing? Of course, we're encouraging vaccines in partnership with Orange County and similar county public schools. Because the more kids that are vaccinated, the more school can go back to normal, um and the same with staff and teachers, bus drivers, et cetera. Are you talking covid their covid there and then, um, But there's new things on that just came out with Orange County public schools. So as part of the sports physicals for, um, are Our athletes they need to get a screening. E. K. G and Shepherd Hope has actually been doing this with no more's for some time. So we are equipped through our back to school physicals to apply the screening EKGs. And then if there is an anomaly that is found we have, of course. The specialists who can do the follow up through the Moors and our other partners that advent health in Orlando health to make sure kids get what they need in order to start school, But that's a switch. So people need to be aware of that. If you're playing fall sports in your practices start in July, you have to have the sports physical with the E K G reading. Prior to being able to play and then we're going to be part of the support team that does that two more times in the air, one for the winter sports and one for the spring sports, So maybe this is like that network. I think you did. Just put on your your Orange County school board had been for a moment and explain the background of this. Why have young people get these EKGs? So there is and I'm not going to get the name of it right. But there is kind of a hidden arrhythmia in the heart that goes undetected from normal sports physicals or even a normal physical that the E K G will pick up And oftentimes when we hear about young people collapsing on a field, it's this hidden Arrhythmia, uh, that that happens. So these EKGs can prevent that because there's a pretty easy treatment that can correct that arrhythmia for the rest of their lives, So it saves lives, and that's really the reason that we want to do it if we're saving one child or five Children. You know, there's just no question that that's the direction that we need to go. So other counties had started to make that part of their sports physical process..
Armenia Votes in Election Triggered by War Defeat
"In Armenia are voting in a snap parliamentary election to resolve the political crisis caused by last year's disastrous war with neighbouring Azerbaijan right hand, Dimitri has more details. Over 2.5 million voters will decide Armenia's Postwar future. They snap vote is taking place seven months after Armenia's defeat in a war with Azerbaijan over the territory of Nagorno Karabakh. The front runners are the civic Contract party led by the Prime Minister Nichol Bash Union and the Armenia Alliance, or former president Robert Kocharian. The opposition blamed Nico Bastian in for the outcome of last year's war, which cost the country loss of territory and the deaths of around 4000 servicemen, Mr Bashing and refused to resign, offering this snap election instead.
First Dog Champ Dies 'Peacefully at Home,' President and First Lady Say
"Oldest dog, has died in a statement. The president and first lady say their hearts are heavy as they let everyone know that their beloved German shepherd champ Passed away peacefully at home. They say champ was there constant cherished companion during the last 13 years, Even as the dog strength waned in his last month, the Biden say when they came into a room, he would immediately pull himself up his tail always wagging wherever we were, they wrote. He wanted to be and everything was instantly better when he was next to us. We love our good sweet boy, the Biden say, and we'll miss him Always. Allison Keyes, CBS NEWS Washington
What's Behind the Push for a Fourth Stimulus Check
"Million payments in the third round of direct stimulus aid with another 1.8 million people this week in line to receive the $1400 checks. But some lawmakers are now pushing for 1/4 round of stimulus aid that would effectively send recurring payments until the pandemic ends. So far, The federal response to the economic crisis has delivered $3200 to each eligible adult 1200 in March of 20 2600 in a December relief measure, and 14 Under the American rescue plan signed in March by President Joe Biden. Despite that financial assistance, millions of Americans remain in financial distress, with about four in 10 people saying their income remains below its pre pandemic levels. For I news. I'm John. Okay,
As Brazil Tops 500,000 COVID-19 Deaths, Protesters Blame President
"Today to demand the impeachment of the president. A BCS Claire Bauer reports from Rio de Janeiro as Brazil marked half a million lives lost to Covid 19. Thousands of protesters marched in cities across the country Saturday, blaming President Bolsonaro is handling of the pandemic for the devastating death toll. By demonstrators held signs with the names of loved ones lost. One sign reading. Who do you call when the president kills your dad? Others demanded more vaccines to date only 11% of Brazilian fully vaccinated, and health officials warn the country could be on the cusp of a third wave. Player Power. ABC NEWS Ready JANEIRO,
Hardliner Raisi Becomes Iran’s New President
Controversial cleric Ebrahim Raisi set to become Iran’s new president
"Raisi won the country's presidential election on Friday. Despite low voter turnout. This is ABC News, a record number of people around the world were
U.S. Not on Pace to Meet Biden's Vaccination Goal
"Million Covid shots have been administered in the 1st 150 days of the Biden administration. But officials say the U. S will probably fall short of the president's goal to vaccinate 70.
Hard-Line Judiciary Head Wins Iran Presidency as Turnout Low
"The hard liners who runs Iran's judiciary has won its presidential election even him racy one seventeen point eight million votes out of the twenty eight point six million cast in Friday's election that dominates the other three candidates two of them are hard liners in the other one was the former central bank chief of Iran's relatively moderate president Hassan Rouhani never races win signifies a major victory for hardliners who taking control of both the Iranian parliament as well as now the presidency Jon Gambrell in Dubai United Arab Emirates
Delta Variant Expected to Become Dominant US Strain, CDC Says
"The delta variant of the coronavirus to become the dominant variant in the U. S president Biden was asked on Friday if that variant could result in any lockdowns. I don't think so, because so many people have already been vaccinated, but with adult variant can cause more people to die in areas where people have not been vaccinated. The conference of Catholic Bishops
Biden Celebrates 300M Covid Shots in 150 Days
"Biden and Pandemic milestones. Thanks to this wartime response, we've gotten 300 million shots in the arms of Americans in 150 days. Months ahead of what most anyone thought was possible When we started, the president is in danger of failing to meet another, his target to have 70% of people at least partially vaccinated by July 4th. That's in a little over two weeks. President says variants of the virus are another threat. The best way to protect yourself against these variants. To get fully vaccinated. So please, please. If you have one shot get the second shot as soon as you can. So you're fully vaccinated Administration is in the middle of a month long push to combat vaccine hesitancy and the lack of urgency. Some people feel to get the shots. Alabama, Mississippi both have less than 30% of their citizens fully vaccinated.
Armenia Votes in Election Triggered by War Defeat
"Iran's neighbor to the north Armenia is also holding really significant elections this weekend. They're heading to the polls in snap parliamentary elections on Sunday to defuse a political crisis of the country following its defeat in last year's war with Azerbaijan over the territory of Nagorno Karabakh. Voters face a tough choice between an embattled prime minister and a former strongman president. The BBC's Ron Dmitry reports campaigning in the North eastern Armenian town of oblivion, the incumbent union asks several 100 of his supporters gathered under the hot sun. If Armenia has a future that that guy Yes, The people apply for a man to me put up on that. When we say future, we mean you because you are the future of Armenia. You are going to build it with your own hands because you are the pillar. You have proved it in the last seven months in November last year, a six week war with Azerbaijan over Nagorno Karabakh. Ended in humiliation for medium the country lost swathes of territory and up to 4000 servicemen died. Many of them young recruits. That is a huge number for a small nation of three million. Oh, okay, well, Azerbaijan celebrated victory in Armenia. Many regarded a Russian brokered truce signed by Nicole Passion, You treacherous Months of protests by the opposition demanded his resignation. He offered early elections. Instead, 22 parties and four political blocs are contesting the Sunday vote. All three former president of Independent Armenia are taking part in the race.
Mike Pence Booed, Called Traitor at Conservative Christian Conference
"I want to thank my friend. Ralph reed for those overly generous words. I'm deeply humbled by them. Ralph reed knows me well enough to know the introduction. I prefers a little bit short. I'm a christian and a republican in that order. And i am honored to stand before you. Today they weren't buying the pious mike pence act at that gathering today but the trump up sucking was on full display. Fealty was on full display at this faith and freedom conservative conference today in florida. We are going to defeat the woke assault. Then all of us need to wake up. it's very simple. Go back to the remain in mexico policy and build president trump's wall fight against this woke mob and these radical democrats who are trying to destroy this country. I may ask you something. Do you miss president. Donald trump still with us. I'll thanking and bill kristol bill. I'm not even a supplicant. Can catch a break these days. I heard you bill on another broadcast tonight. Make the best point that. I'm going to ask you to repeat now. It would've cost mike pence nothing other than a few seconds of his remarks to do what some people in the crowd started to call the trader to say. Wait a second. Let me explain what happened on january six. Here's what i did. Why did what i did. I upheld the constitution. This is the role of the vice president. We have no choice at no choice. Not legitimate choice. I delivered Legitimate choice on what to do There was the election votes. Were counted fairly. He could've spent ninety seconds relating lewis
Conservative Activists Heckle Pence at Conference in Florida
"Former vice president Mike pence was heckled during a speech at a conservative gathering in Florida Friday Mike pence spoke to a faith and freedom coalition policy conference in Orlando a few attendees shouted out trader at the former vice president who had been vilified by former president trump and his supporters for stating the fact that he pence did not have the power to overturn Joe Biden's election victory before the inauguration in January in Orlando pence ignored the shouts and plowed through his address saying that it was great to be back with patriots dedicated to faith in freedom and the road to the majority pence appears to be weighing a presidential run in twenty twenty four I'm Jackie Quinn
Biden Announces 300M COVID-19 Shots Given in 150 Days
"President Biden scouting another milestone in the nation's pandemic fight thanks to what he calls a months long wartime effort we've gotten three hundred million shots in the arms of Americans and hundred fifty days months ahead of or most anyone thought was possible we started with the president's likely to miss another goal having seventy percent of Americans at least partially vaccinated by July fourth that's a little less than two weeks away and the CDC says about fifty two percent of the population has received at least one dose for those who haven't that's okay you still have questions but at thank you Sonder mag ani Washington
Tucker Carlson’s Conspiracy Theory About Jan. 6 Capitol Riot
"You recall this guy. Tucker carlson on fox news. Yeah i think so okay. So tucker carlson. The other came out with a bombshell. He interviewed somebody from was it. Revolver media yes who got their tip from a one alex jones. I believe on this top. Is that right. We know that for sure. Joe alex jones claims but this conspiracy. Or at least as you know and the tip was look at the Indictments of some of the people from january six it refers to often unindicted co conspirators and unindicted co-conspirators can be everybody from the president of the united states. When they're when they're lawyers getting indicted it can be people who were arrested and then decided to give evidence on their friends or their family or their acquaintances or their work colleagues It could also be people who were informants before. Then it's possible. And i suppose it's conceivable that it also could be actual agents of law enforcement. Reason got caught up and we're not indicted for whatever reason but there's a long list of those things and apparently revolver media saw the days and assumed immediately that it was an fbi agent and they went on tucker carlson's show tucker was like the fbi was part of the gen. The planning of the january six. I should say checkers. Say that unindicted co conspirators can't even really be actual fbi agents. They can't actually be fbi agents because they wouldn't get it right. It's not just like oh. She's an array of possibilities here. It's no proposes not. He sang operatives. Which like does it really mean anything. And so you get a little bit of like. Fbi operative is not really means everything and it could have been like an informant or
Biden to Announce 300M COVID-19 Shots Given in 150 Days
"President Biden is said to mark another milestone in the pandemic fight the White House says the president will announce three hundred million vaccine shots have been administered in his first one hundred fifty days in office well beyond his earlier goals but he's in danger of failing to meet another having seventy percent of Americans at least partially vaccinated by July fourth a little more than two weeks away the CDC says about fifty two percent have received at least one dose vaccination pace has fallen sharply in recent weeks Sager mag ani Washington
Brazil Still Debating Dubious Virus Drug Amid 500,000 Deaths
"As Brazil hurtles toward an official coded nineteen death toll of a five hundred thousand the second highest in the world silence is on trial inside the country and the truth is up for grabs with the most unlikely to be reached this weekend Brazil's Senate is publicly probing how the toll got so high focusing on life president Chaya Bolsonaro this fall rights government ignored opportunities to buy vaccines for months while it relentlessly pushed hydroxy chloride Quinn the malaria drug shown to be ineffective in treating okay with nineteen the skepticism has extended to the death toll itself with Bolsonaro all getting the official tally for his own health ministry is greatly exaggerated some experts say the real figure is significantly higher perhaps hundreds of thousands hi I'm Charles that's my
Bipartisan Group Grows in Effort to Reach Infrastructure Compromise
"A key milestone in the effort to reach a bipartisan compromise on an infrastructure spending bill. I'm nova safa with the marketplace minute. The group of senators working toward that end has more than doubled in number two twenty one that includes eleven republicans and suggests there may be the sixty votes necessary in the senate to pass a bipartisan infrastructure. Bill the senators are discussing trillion dollars in spending. That's less than president. Biden wants white house advisers are on capitol hill meeting with the senators.
"president " Discussed on This American President
"Souza. Our logo is actually inspired by a photo. He did take of president obama so his his his work has quite an impact. That's looking at it right now. You're right yeah. Yep We've communicated a little bit and he was really helpful for me in terms of understanding some things about the history of the white house photographer role. Obviously he's very knowledgeable about that and invested in getting it right so that was really helpful for me so having studied a great deal of history and i love the stories. That you you tell of the president's that aren't really as remembered you know we have so many photographs of the lincoln's and the jfk's and those are amazing great photographs but hearing the story of mckinley and hoover and john quincy adams It it really kind of brings to life that era which is sometimes forgotten But with that said what does the future presidential photography look like. Where do you think that it's it's going. The transition from obama to trump and then too biden has been visually pretty interesting. Partly because by i think is coming back a little more full circle to where we left things with obama and what was compelling about the the flicker photographs that the obama administration circulated and that whole corpus of the incredible work that pizzas in his staffed. At during those eight years was we talked earlier about that. Like what makes a photograph of a present economic. And i talked about that idea of the consistency between your impression of the person and the images and what what susan's photographs of obama gave us was a pretty consistent. Visual story about who. Obama is as a person both as a leader and also as a human being right. You think about all of the the Tumblers and the memes of obama loves babies and pictures of obama with kids and you know and got a sense of this is really These are really aspects of him. These are not invented for the camera. And so what happens when you transition from obama to trump similar to what we talked about with nixon is that you lose that kind of intimate close access to the president as a person and so the visual the official visual record of trump is probably not going to be very deeply studied like his tweets are for example because it is pretty boring it is a lot of gripping and grinning it is a lot of thumbs up it is mostly posing on at least the images that we were allowed to see During the trump administration and none of them give us kind of any of that glimpse of what was happening behind the scenes the kinds of images that sousa was making so now with buying. We're coming back around. I think Partly because some of the same folks who were working in the obama white house are now working for the biden administration so lawrence jackson for example. Who is a photographer Who worked with sousa is now Vice president harasses chief photographer. So what i'm expecting to see is a similar kind of investment..
"president " Discussed on This American President
"So now jump another. Let's say seventy years or so and we get to president obama Very recent it's the internet age and he's the first african american president so there's a great deal of symbolism symbolic moment for american history. Now we're dealing with social media. What did presidential photography look like. Then and what was that experience. Like for the obama administration early on the obama administration. On know they really picked up where they left off with the campaign which is to embrace every new medium. They possibly could right. It's kind of like you throw it all at the wall and you see what sticks and that really ended up being a big part of their visual strategy in the white house as well so I have a little listed. The book that sense you know. This is what they went on to. This is when they went on flicker. This is what they went on facebook. This is what they went on twitter right so anything that we all were doing during that period The obama white house was doing it to for sure when i focused on In terms of photography was this interesting choice that they made very early in the in the obama administration to take photographs. That were the same kinds of photographs. That official white house photographers had been making for history right to keep in a museum to put in the presidential library. These kind of photographs had been made for decades at this point but what the obama white house decided to do was to put some of them a very carefully. Curate and small collection of them on social media platform. Called flicker and flicker is probably now only known in the broader public because the president's are on it But at the time it was an it's still remains a pretty popular site four photographers to post their work to comment on one another's work to share work you know via creative commons license etc and so when the photographs started showing up there and then people started really paying attention to them and it became almost like a news event every time they would drop another folder photos from last month. I got really interested in why that was working and how that was working. So how was it. That photographs essentially created to be preserved for history. Were also playing pretty big role in real time media politics. So i i think and there you have kind of the instantaneous nature of the presidency and being the idea being that it's accessible to the public right. Every lots of people use flicker. I remember i used to use flicker and so that seemed like that was the goal of forging that connection. Yeah and it was also very much early on about the you know. I think we sometimes forget that in the early web two point oh days everything was about interactivity and now that we have so much interactivity i think we forget how much interactivity we actually didn't want in that early period..
"president " Discussed on This American President
"It's just indecorous photograph anyone eating food even if they're at a congressional picnic where hot dogs are being Don't make those photographs especially hong exactly literally stuffing you're exactly exactly and so it became kind of to me. It was sort of this fun exercise with like. Oh here's another story about how he can't phone reference about with dogs but this all came to a head in in the in the mid nineteen thirties when roosevelt was photographed at a baseball game enjoying himself but the photographs. When they were circulated you know on the wire services made him look pretty bad and that was more a function of just the technology that you blow up a you blow up candid camera photograph you blow up at thirty five millimeter negative. It's gonna lose resolution as we would say now in the digital age and it's just not gonna look very good and so what happened. Was the white house started getting phone calls about people concerned about roosevelt health and because people were always concerned about roosevelt's health and because the white house is especially sensitive to that It became this question of like what we have to ban the candid camera. And we can't have these little cameras around. Photographing the president you know in the oval office when he doesn't know about it Or at any of these events that are unauthorized. Said candid camera. Becomes a kind of shorthand. For how do we control the visual media in a way that's going to continue not just to uphold the the unwritten rules about roosevelt's disability but just continued the need to make roosevelt look good physically as he can. I think with fdr you have the the gold standard of a president hiding his physical state and he's clearly not the first president to do that. But i think It's often kind of marveled at that. The white house was able to keep the extent of his disability hidden. And yeah i guess i. I hadn't really thought about the photography elements of that. I think you think about the broader media and how somehow the media adhered to a lot of these guidelines but as far as the photography so much of it is accidental. Right like how do you control a photo from getting out you ban the cameras. Yeah exactly exactly yeah. And there were a few cases where roosevelt's political enemies in the media. colonel cormac. The chicago tribune and henry loose at life magazine You know people who were politically opposed to roosevelt's on they let through images that you know have leaked through that supposed- band so life magazine For example Published a photograph of roosevelt taken very far away on. And if you knew it was roosevelt. You could tell but it's pretty hard to just be like. That's roosevelt him. Being wheeled in to visit a friend at the naval hospital in washington. Dc at the white house essentially wrote to roosevelt's at the naval hospital and said you can't let these people stand on the.
"president " Discussed on This American President
"It's probably one of the images that pops up if you search him on a google image search for example and That is really interesting to me because it sort of speaks to the way that it was the last time they spoke as president right. He was laying out plans for the future. He talked about international relations and so the image of the last speech becomes really significant because it is a that's mode of presidential communication. That's so important especially in that period and that photograph actually becomes the basis for the mckinley statue in his hometown. And of course. It was a speech that everyone watching. None of them realise mckinley himself. It would be his last speech so up next. Then you talk about president hoover and fdr. And i'm really curious about this. Because i mean we've done a series and fdr fdr. I mean he's very fascinating man. Herbert hoover done research for him for a future script. And he's a lot more interesting than i think. History has i think given him credit for but the of these two men who couldn't have been any more different in. fdr case he was a master communicator. How did photography play out during their presidencies. Yes two very different men. But they're both caught. In what i would call the same era of photography and so they have to work with that and work through it. And that's what came to be known as the candid camera era of photography so cameras beginning in the twentieth century. Start to get smaller and smaller Today to us they would look huge still and very heavy but at the time they were called miniature cameras and many of us you know i was a kid in the nineteen seventy s and the film cameras that my parents had held thirty five millimeter film. And so we talking about the candid camera era. We're essentially talking about the era beginning in the late. Nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. Were thirty five millimeter. Film and cameras were became more widely available and so these are cameras..
"president " Discussed on This American President
"Ceiling windows and because you needed as much natural light is you could. And so he. He writes about how they brought him to. You know something that he he writes looks like a greenhouse and so he's trying to grasp right what this looks like and then he describes being being sat down on a chair and having a large telescope pointed at him. So there to you know he's thinking of he's looking at the giant camera and the lens and you know so you can see. He's trying to make these analogies to familiar technologies. And that's exactly right and so then there's a point where i think during his second sitting. He says he reports the conversation. He had with photographer. And he says you know the photographer says it's just it's a chemical reaction etc etc and then he says but i have no idea how the image came upon the plate right. So this is somebody who fought for the founding of the smithsonian institution you know. He was very deeply interested in science and technology but you know his initial exposure. He's like i don't know like i don't know how that happened her. Yeah i mean. I don't know how some of the basic technologies around me happen. I would love to have heard his journal description of someone. Taking an iphone are taking digital photo of him so that is fascinating. That must have been fun to read as far as his recollection. So we fast forward a little bit. And we have president william mckinley now. So we're talking about seventy eighty years later. Photography has become much more commonplace. What role did photography play in his story. And i know that there is a little bit about his assassination. Here some really interested to hear what you have to say. So mckinley is. Mckinley comes down to us. As kind of one of the first modern media presidents He ran a campaign that was very modern and sophisticated for the late nineteenth century and he was for example the first president to appear on motion picture so he was very much interested in technology. I think his brother in law was actually a founder and executive of one of the early film companies so he clearly had a kind of a family in to the media as well So mckinley in terms of his time in the white house on set up a lot of the what we would think of. Today's the more professionalized communications operations Primarily through his primarily through his private secretary. George cornelio who is cut newness as the first real white house press secretary again the way that we tend to think of that role as it's evolved. Since so mckinley himself is a pretty sophisticated media. Figure He had what. I would call a kind of court photographer. So we don't get the official role of the official white house photographer like we have today really until arguably the mid twentieth century you can. There were number of white house photographers. Who worked in the roosevelt white house in the truman white house. After that and then i mentioned. Lbj's photographer yoichi okamoto. Who really solidified that role as a key role for the president But what mckinley had was he and then later after him. Teddy roosevelt worked very closely with a woman named frances. Benjamin johnston and she arguably was a his white house photographer and also she did a lot of photographing roosevelt in his family later. johnston was.
"president " Discussed on This American President
"But no that's great. Thank you for clearing that up by the way because that solves a mystery that i've always wanted to know so you mentioned that the oldest existing photo of a president is a daguerreotype of john. Quincy adams six president. So what can you tell me about him..
"president " Discussed on This American President
"So i wanted to go chronologically through the president's that you mentioned but since we're in nixon series right now i wanted to ask you a little bit more about nexen so you talk about his relationship with the photographer all the atkins so it can you tell us about that. Relationship and how. Nixon used photography in his career. Nixon tolerated photography I would not say. He was obsessed with it Lyndon johnson was famously obsessed with it and Linden johnson's photographer. A guy named yoichi moto was arguably the first official white house photographer to really create that role as we think of today. obama photographer. Pete souza has explicitly named okamoto as an inspiration. Said the i wanna do for history. What he did for history And so when nixon comes along ollie atkins is working He was a. I think he worked for the saturday evening. Post as photographer. So keep working photo photojournalist and he ended up working for the sixty eight campaign. An atkin said later that nixon had to be convinced that he should have a photographer. He wasn't necessarily excited about that and but atkins was hired. And there's there's a broader staff. They cover everything photograph The white house everything from you know Visits by leaders meetings behind the scenes things and then of course all the public events what are known as the grip. Grins where. You're you posing you smile with your picture with the president and they take it and then they send it to you later right so all of that is happening and then atkins the challenge for him. Is that the kind of access that lbj gave okamoto which produced a really compelling visual body of work atkins had none of that he had no security clearance so he couldn't be in any meetings of really any high level significance he Was not somebody who you know. Could kind of lurk around the margins and make candid photographs of nixon One of my favorite at can stories is actually at the very end of nixon's presidency. Where you can actually find this video on youtube. There is a a video of about seven minutes of nixon getting ready to go on live television to give his resignation speech in august of nineteen seventy four and it's essentially. They've turned on the the cameras there in the lighting. They're they're getting it already. And the nixon comes in and sits down and of course it's probably the most awkward thing ever because he's getting ready to resign and this is incredibly consequential moment for him and for the nation and so nixon sort of awkwardly awkwardly chatting and you can watch this unfold on youtube of cringe along like the blooper reel yeah. It's really kind of intense and fascinating. But when i started watching it what i noticed pretty quickly. Is you hear the click of a camera. And then nixon kind of says thank you. That's enough and he has the fall smile. And then he turns to the camera crew. The cbs tv crew and says oh that's my ali. You know he's always trying to take pictures of me. Picking my nose you know and so what you realize. Is that off camera. Atkins's trying to cover history. He's trying to photograph this moment. He's trying to essentially worked for this president that he's been working for about to resign. And it goes on for like two minutes on and off where nixon essentially spends a good chunk of time berating. Atkins telling him. No you've taken photographs. Didn't you just take another one. The press will get mad if i let you take too many photos because i'm not letting them take too many photos this kind of fourth and you can hear atkins mumbling a little bit in the background and know in the end. It's like okay..
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"Really wasn't until obama took office and as you said started on putting photographs that were being made in the white house on a set on social media platform known as flicker. They started doing that and so they were really circulating their photographs in real time and i got interested in that and i started working with my students on that question. And that's what i realize that. Nobody had really written a full history of the president's relationships To photography across its full history so the very short answer To supplement very long answer is i decided to write. The book wasn't out there yet That's fascinating and if. I recall the photo of lincoln. That you're mentioning. Is it the one that usually pops up as the earliest photo of lincoln that we have. Because i know there's one of him from the eighteen forties were it's him and there's an accompanying photo with his wife. Mary todd is it one where. He's skinny and beardless and i think he's holding his finger kinda like this. Do you know what i'm talking about. Yeah yeah yeah that's it. Yeah and so. It's that's an image that's owned now by the library of congress and you can go search for it. Online on yeah. He's very awkward seeming his wearing a suit that i guess if you know eighteen forties. Fashion isn't super fashionable. It's more of what kinda rough frontier guy might wear. His hair's combed and often lincolnshire wasn't combed in photographs. In fact But yes so that lincoln if you compare it to the bearded lincoln people of the late nineteenth century would have been more familiar with was really shocking to people. This was not a guy they'd seen before it's kind of like when liga photo of a political figure pops up when they were in like high school and suddenly they they show the photo from now. And then you see them with bell bottoms or sideburns from the seventies and you think oh my gosh. You can't picture so and so like that out. Imagine it's like the same thing. Yeah it's like the awkward teenage phase. Yeah right yeah so. That's interesting because that photo is in so many lincoln biographies but it isn't really spoken of in terms of the impacted has when people saw the photos in eighteen ninety s and thought well. This isn't the bearded lincoln that we're so familiar with. Yeah exactly exactly so as someone who studies photography and photographs specifically. Can you give me a little bit of an idea of how you would analyze historical photograph and basically how is a professor of the subject as a scholar. You look at these photographs differently than everyone else. I think i would do a couple of things one is. It's really important to place a photograph in its times and not only in the kind of social political context of what's happening in the period those kinds of questions but also just the technological components of the photographs so for example..
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"He was still I think in a ninety percent, a tinge of getting oxygen on his own. But. I think the best thing the White House is done has been released videos of him. They released video of him in the diplomatic reception room before we got on Marine One. Eight was sure that it was a nasty lazy hem and then the video that they released on on Saturday showing him actually in Walter Reed. upright and I think that's a moist reassuring thing and even yeah, the doctors there's been some criticism of Helmand doctor is communicating. With clarity on time line when this happened etcetera and I was thinking about that I thought well, you know we have hit the laws right. The doctor is not trained to talk about his patient hubbly doctorates trained to keep information about a patient private in. So yet it is so very different win. The doctor is speaking about the president of the United States who is in station, and so it's It's that's the reason why this is unprecedented. He needed doctors aren't used to publicly talking about the symptoms imprisonment. Right. So. What happens if the president is incapacitated after the election but before inauguration, what are kind of the implications that could happen say if the president can't? Take on, the duties to be president. Well I think in that situation, you're still going to have twenty fifth amendment transfer entrance range of the vice president, and then it it. You know it depends on how the outcome of the election but you have the vice president's overseas the transition Jim Administration if they won the election or transfer it to the other party, but I don't think there's any scenario where. because it because the constitution is very clear on win the inauguration in that transfer of power happens that I don't think you're gonNA have. A situation where even if president trump is incapacitated or worse where the if president by Vice, President Biden won the election, he's not going to be in charge until. January twenty. You Twenty twenty one it's just I. think it just. Creates a lot of. Just uns-. Think at least the people feeling very unsettled about about if that were to happen the vice president would need to be very reassuring. The government is still moving forward or still doing their jobs. Military still following the directions in the Pentagon like to keep sense of of order and hunt nudity would be really important message to send. Right and it's interesting. So one thing that I think could be a question is that if you have a president elect. Let's say if vice. President Biden wins or or something a scenario where that happens. And Heaven forbid that. Anything would happen to him but if the president. If, somebody who wins the election Gets incapacitated in some way what would happen is that? That person a the vice president elect would take over but I've read that there's some question over when someone becomes president elect because mom there's a presumptive president-elect after election day assuming that's what happens assuming that there isn't like A. Contested election and then the electoral college voters meet in their states to cast their ballots and then by then it's kind of becoming more official whose president elect. But then there's the actual counting of the electoral votes in January, before the before the Congress and then there's a question of, is this person president-elect according to the constitution? I'm not sure that that's spelled out..
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"Of the twenty Fifth Amendment that the President and majority of the principal officers, the Executive Department which would presumably be the cabinet they would transmit to Congress in the president pro temp of the Senate and Speaker of the House. The intention the vice president taking taking rings of. Jewish or it would be whoever? They yet, that would be the transmission. So that's where he thinking. You know this long is written in the middle of the Cold War send the fear at that time was nuclear war that Juke out the president then. You would have that body within the executive branch of government the cabinet sitting that information to the Senate into the house known find him of the chains and you know that's obviously worst case scenario but you know it's interesting back at. William Henry Harrison died and his number two. Took over. vice-president Tyler they still didn't consider him the president. There is a lot of accusations that he was just the acting president even though we see that his standard. Order of transmission would or secession back then when they didn't, they weren't. They didn't make the constitution precise enough. A question, there is a constant. Out It. Really suffered as President Giddy he could get any nomination through because they were acting as if he was the origin. and. That's one reason why we have the twenty Fifth Amendment is to clarify what would happen in certain situations earned them. So you said in the twenty Fifth Amendment you said that it was the if the vice president and is that a majority of the Cabinet It doesn't say the cabinet, but it says. either. The principal officers of the executive departments, which presumably the cabinets. Or of such other body as Congress may may by law provide and then transmit that to the president of the Senate and the Speaker of the House in writing that the president is able to discharge the powers and duties of the office and a vice president shall immediately. The powers and duties of the office as acting president. And after nine eleven I know that they did a lot of rehearsals in the federal government on continuity of of office of. Women's. Rations where different departments were were role playing what would happen in certain situations would take over because you know we had homeland security by that point and. You know We've seeing the pandemic. The really does require the executive branch remedies, national responses to respond. So it's not just the president's even it's also does executive officers implementing a response to to something so so It doesn't sound like. There's been any kind of a transfer from president trump. He has not made Mike Pence the acting even though there were concerns about his oxygen levels and now we're getting the news that he could be discharged from Walter Reed. which is a good sign as far as health goes. So it doesn't sound like that. Could come into play here but I guess you know hopefully, it won't the always have to prepare. Right. Exactly and you know it. It's not as if he's on a ventilator right now. No. On even the news about him getting oxygen..
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"The votes that were attributed to that ticket went to that ticket still and so. I I don't know exactly. But I think that that's the most likely scenario is that there would probably be a dispute over. Leather Devos ardy chastised would still go to the trump tickets but with the order of succession. Thing awful were to happen to the president. Then vice president pence would be the next in line. It's just a matter of how that would go down and I think that would just invoke. Legal issues that would go into the courts is what I think. What happened on that? What I've I've heard is that it's possible that since early voting has happened, people have already voted for either the Democratic or Republican ticket that the parties. The party. If if their nominee is incapacitated that party there, committee would have to shoes potentially new candidate and it's possible that if they choose a new candidate, then what would happen is that whoever they whatever ticket they voted for would be considered a vote for that party since I guess the technicalities that they're voting for the electors to vote for the party's nominee. That's what I've heard I mean there's A lot of sense and I think if that were the case, I think committee would choose Mike Pence but to make it to to not make it any more. Confusing Than to keep it as simple and straightforward as possible that with the idea that people voted for that ticket knowing this indeed did happen to stop the ticket the next in line if they were already, you know the the I think that that would be the most sensible thing right and then the question would probably be if Mike Pence gets elevated, they would still have to choose a vice presidential candidate and I'm not sure what the procedures are per party there there might be specifics about what committee you know who gets to choose and what are the mechanisms but it I've read that's what it sounds like the party would have to choose. Why I think what concerns me is that? The regular order of things is so is a little. It's not on the talk of people's minds. Right but we've had right now we have the confirmation process going forward or an Connie Barrett and you've seen people try to stay. Well, that's legitimate because it's the last year of the presidency will impact the constitution says. The president doesn't can is to nominate the Senate is to confirm it doesn't talk about timing, but that has not stopped questions and trying to make it sound illegitimate even though it very much is. So I think the P. R. Aspect of what would happen would be. Pretty wish even though you know what you said happened with. The. straightforwardness of the ballots people voting for the ticket the Electoral College were nominating people to the call Electoral College? All of that makes her legal sense and but I think we might have some. Just Pr Wise I. Think they're waiting challenges. Demise the process whatever that process legitimately is right now you mentioned the twenty Fifth Amendment and I know there are a few mechanisms with the twenty Fifth Amendment. And you mentioned different presidents who've had to invoke that I recall when President Bush George W Bush was in office. He had a colonoscopy and he invoked it, which means that he basically handed off power to Vice President Cheney as the acting vice? President or I'm sorry is the acting president which can happen that's under the president's own volition. But I know there are also other mechanisms right I in in the twenty Fifth Amendment where the vice president and the cabinet can actually. Say that the president is incapacitated regardless of what the President says do you know anything about those those mechanisms say I mean it's the is section four.
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"Then said, well, why don't you switch your Mo has to quartermaster. Switched over, he started as a tank commander went to infantry. Then moved over into quartermaster went command school ended up. Placing first clashed in both both aspects of and then went back into infantry again, and so it's it's kind of interesting when you talk about our careers and how we have to do things in shift and shape. It's no different from a farm kid from Abilene Kansas. Right now, what do you think about Eisenhower's background and his family life? How did that influence his leadership style throughout his career? So midwesterners just in general. I always say that we are. We are measured people. We we tend to be very thoughtful whenever we do think sometimes we have temporarily he surely had a temper There's no doubt about that. But for the most part I, think that that his background his his. His importance to education doing the right thing and making sure that you had the ideas and thought through things fully before you execute them I think was one of those things that that really shaved his career. You have patent saying you know we need to go all the way into Russia. You have you have. Montgomery. Sitting there saying Oh. Gosh I want to be the first night sitting there saying. We need to work together. This is how we do it. This is the plan. This is the measure. More to their during the day. He actually wrote a letter to my great grandmother saying that you know if anything goes wrong, it is my fault. It takes all responsibility. Takes. Everything off everybody else. It in fact, it was it was. It was actually. Signed wrong. The date was wrong because he had so much pressure going Montreal and eventually. On June fifth. June six have happened and it was an absolute. Amazing amazing accomplishment when you think about it, but more importantly is that one of my favorite that he says is that. Plans me nothing but planning means everything and so the thought process of what will happen with this, what will have that effect that they made a fake harbor? Out of boats and pontoons, all of these things that you could get supplies into France all of those things played a major role. All of that stuff stems from not only understanding what fair values are having empathy understanding what what the next step would be I think that carried over into his presidency as well. Right now when you look at World War Two, you you you read about, Patton, you read about Macarthur and all the great military figures of that time Bradley I mean, you know the list goes on the class that the stars fell on and as they say and yet it was Eisenhower and of course, we have to say General Marshall and it was Eisenhower who became the president among all of them. What about him was was different from all the rest. That's a great question. I don't think I've ever been asked that question before. The truth is, is that besides Bradley think about the Egos and the sense of I'm a warrior I am important that went on during World War Two you have. Everything that was happening in the jetties front. Where no matter what was happening I? I. Was the one that was important. Anchors called of the damn aid ever. but never given the credit of what what he was able to do his strategies when the war started in one, thousand, nine, thirty, nine, I was Carl. You know by nineteen forty one he was to star actually planning out what was going to happen in. Japan? And then was moved into the front, the the European data, which is interesting. All of those things happen by themselves not because I was the guy going out and battlefield but because he was the guy that was thinking through what would happen if something else happened to be honest with you as exactly what you're doing? But it really is it goes back to your thought process how you're learning through things. One thing is, is that one of his first assignments every less less left-wing account Kinda like Ole tes. which was the last person to replace. Ronald, he actually became a coach. For his local is local base. For football I mean all of this stuff has do a strategy. Everybody was understood that he had the ability to think through the problems all the way through again, coming back to the presidency does follow him all the way through where it was able to do that. In addition to that, you believe that it didn't matter got credited songs the job got done and we talk about that all the time in hyperbole. But the truth is that that's how you get successful in life in general is that you don't care about where the credit goes. You just care if the job gets done and being a leader is making sure other people feel. And people are respected and most importantly, and this is something we forget today is being her. Because as much as we think about our own goes, it doesn't matter being in a leadership position as long as you. If you have people that that here you in you're hearing them you may not agree with what was the decision has but at least you've been heard, your point has been made and then the next step can be taken. Right, and I think that that's one of those qualities that as far as what you just said, not wanting the credit but wanting the job. Then that's one of those qualities that people want in a leader but aren't guaranteed in a leader because so many people in politics want the credit. And to be honest with you. Again, if he wasn't from Kansas I, don't think he would have had the same same type of thought process. is a different world there you know back then especially in Kansas, very humble background he knows he knows that people need to be heard. This is where this is roots in. Oh, his mother was was was very religious. It was taught to the most important thing is that he really believed that everybody opinion mattered we as individuals can accomplish some things but us as a group can accomplish great things. Right and one thing interesting about Eisenhower you have a a a figure who was who had worked and collaborated with just incredible figures of that time mentioned you know MacArthur. Mentioned Marshall, and also with other presidents, you know getting to know I mean it was FDR who put him that the task of? And then Truman and Kennedy Nixon what were those relationships like and I. AM. Very. Curious about your take on his relationship with Nixon. There's been so much written about that and for you it's it's for your family. It's a matter of family since Eisenhower Nixon families are married are related through marriage so So, so So take almost got replaced President Nixon almost got replace as vice president during during the first term but. I decided not to, and for whatever reason there is own, it doesn't matter. But. Over the time over over the time that I was in office as united. States. Vice President Nixon at the time was an incredible instrument of getting things done whenever I was for example in the hospital. You know at Walter, Reed having heart attack in nineteen fifty five was the first time. They tried to pass the interstate highway act right and fence. which is our national highway system than we currently and failed availed the because they believed it was a states right issue a tenth amendment issue didn't matter. They voted the interstate commerce caused it was it was a state issue stays problem which at that time it took fourteen days to.
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"Basically the wives weren't thrilled about this because they're they're. They're training. They want to execute the mission well, but then they have to deal with all these PR events, but apparently the Hong. Kong is going on at that time in one of them. One other wives was really scared that they would contract this flu, and then go into space, and then get sick and one of the astronauts ended up getting sick, but it wasn't from the flu is mainly. It was A. You know stomach issues and things like that so anyways you see this story about flus and things like that that creep up every now and then, and it's really fascinating, and it's something I think. Historically more people will probably take a look at, and it's a good reminder to this stuff does happen. Yeah I think It's it's just. It's just interesting I think compared to just how seriously we take this this the this kind of thing, nowadays and you know I think back back to what we're saying at the beginning of the conversation. You and I were sort of tossing predictions as to what this would lead to. Again you know I thought would be disruptive I. Mean I think around what mid to late February you started to see the Dow tank. And I think for a lot of people. I saw it as a temporary setback, but I mean just. The global disruption in trade has been just astounding. The the Dow had lost. I, mean it I mean it was two thousand eight level sort of Dow doubt losses, and it was incredible to see a very bad way obviously That that made me think okay..
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"You know what has happened since then but obviously at the time they know that. And it's one thing to read about a crisis and to know. This was a very difficult time. It was a scary time. There was a lot at stake and people felt unsure. And it's another thing to live through it and I think right now we're living through that because you know for all the all the projections that are out there. I don't think most people predicted that this would happen. And none of us really know and it's GonNa end we don't know and we don't know what it's GonNa look like when life becomes normal again. I mean I hear about people talking about how this is going to change. Are People going to shake hands anymore? You know one one of my friends told me that you know she's from the South and people are very friendly in the south and But there's something different now when people see each other. There's kind of you know social distancing becomes kind of. There's almost like an element of of I don't know I I hate to say up. Maybe fear and so you know we're in a crisis right now. Very serious crisis At the same time I think that crises also bring out the best in people and our generation. I mean we've gone through a good amount. You know we went through nine eleven. We went the two thousand and eight. I mean we my generation being I guess you could say generation millennials. We grew up very comfortable. You know he grew up in the eighties nineties and and it was generally very good time in your case. It was the ninety s thousands. But we've also gone through some pretty tough times to you this included and so my hope is that just like in previous generations when you look at say the greatest generation that endured the depression in the war and World War World War Two and then after the Cold War afterwards in. How each of those lessons Strengthen that generation to take on new challenges and my hope is that it will do the same for our generation as well and our country. Yeah I think it's I think a lot of ways though this does bring back a lot of those tough choices that America faced in the Early Twentieth Century in the Mid Twentieth Century. Where I mean right now I mean New York is talking about sort of the Rationing ventilators and this is obviously a really tough choice right because you have to decide Who gets one based on age on viability With the investment is going to be ultimately the these are tough choices that no human wants to make but when you think about what Truman kind of questions Truman was asking himself. At least a you know whether to drop the bomb on Japan this was. This was a really really really difficult choice. Right when you're talking about huge moral hazards and trade offs and things like this. What what we. We've we've had base by becoming so rich and so powerful and a lot of ways we've we've sort of done away with a lot of these tough choices that our ancestors faced that we don't have to make choices between Sacrificing life and wealth at least up until now So I think in a lot of ways this is bringing back a lot of those tough questions that not too long ago. our ancestors would have looked at them and said. Yeah that's life Yeah no that's true and you know. Obviously there's some silver linings that happen here and there. I think that the people are just are adjusting to these things in many ways. They're staying home in spending more time with friends and family. And there's some good things and I mean you know. It's really heartbreaking the stories you're hearing I mean people. I have a friend who left a job that she had been for years at and she started a new job with a company. And now she's GonNa get laid off because of this. What happened? I mean it's it's just horrible. You know when you hear about people getting infected. I mean it's it's tragic and at the same time. Sometimes these things do bring out the best in people and I. I hope it continues to do so. Obviously you hear the stories of your friends who are in the medical profession. And they're just. They're working their butts off. They're not taking breaks. Their people's lives are in their hands. And you know they're they're putting themselves at risk because they're they're working with people that that have that could have the The virus or do have it. So that's definitely something that it's inspiring and we really hope and pray that they have the strength to do what they have to do and hope that our leaders have the wisdom to do what they have to do as well so I think we also have a lot of responsibilities that are that are put on all of us not just people working in the medical field and this is one of those those really tough times. That's going to. I hope at least bring people together without of course bringing them physically together and a lot of that is is a lot. It's new for us. It's weird that we've sort of defined the the the good thing you can do right now is stay at home. And and and keep clear of people to the to the greatest extent. Possible that the greatest way to help people out now and and yes even save lives is by staying home And that but definitely makes this challenge different than than any that I can remember where where the sort of the again the greatest act of heroism is just is just making sure that you are not flooding. The hospitals with more people right exactly well one thing. I also wanted to mention his that. Our Cold War series still going on and so we expect to have new episodes coming soon. We just finished our series on Truman. We have a series on Eisenhower. Coming up so going chronologically and we hope to still continue to bring you that That series and the episodes that come on after Eisenhower but again thank you to our listeners. We really appreciate your support Those who donated to our kickstarter and those who listen. We appreciate that so much It really it makes it all worth it. And it's great to share that passion with people and we just hope everyone stay safe. Do everything you can to stay safe and for your families The people that you love and make sure you still stay connected with people. That's very important and Joey thank you for your time. Just thank you for for being For being a prophet. I I feel like we need to Vegas. Let's go to Las Vegas or something I just.
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"Things seem so distant in the past and they they're just truly not this this in the you can you can go online and basically most of the news you'll read today and for the past couple of weeks was about cove in nineteen and that's that's that's something. I don't think I have seen in my lifetime and so about history a very interesting example that I've been reading about lately and it's not an episode in history that I could say I've studied too much about but people are talking naturally about the great Spanish flu the great influenza of one thousand nine hundred eighteen to nineteen twenty ish about one hundred years ago and honestly that story I. It's fascinating what I've read about it. And just the cost that I mean it's just staggering right before that you had world war one in fact it was going on during World War One and that being the great war the worst war in history up to that time and that killed millions of people and it it introduced Just kind of new levels of of horror and agony that people were experiencing because of the war. You know people know about this. The trench warfare and Just the levels of casualties. That really dwarfed anything that happened previously and then after that or actually during that war the virus that would become the great influenza showed up in the soldiers as the United States soldiers as they were mobilising to go to Europe and I believe they sought in Kansas. You know when the soldiers were getting prepared to to go over to Europe and it followed them there and before you knew it. It spread like wildfire all across the world. And as we know it. It's known as the Spanish flu. Because so much of the world including the United States had basically a censored all information about it and President Wilson who was president at the time of the United States. he very vigorously his administration. Very vigorously prosecuted or enforce the Sedition Act which essentially made it illegal to speak out against the war and one of those things that might undermine the war. Effort was discussion of the pandemic which to me. It's really incredible. When you think about something like that. I mean I you know we live in a world today where we scrutinize everything. Our politicians say just one hundred years ago which is our grandparents may be great grandparents probably great grandparents lifetimes there was a situation where most of the rich nations wealthy nations of the world. They advanced nations and You know the United States we were all censoring this information and when you have a situation like that happening in which information is basically a life or death thing people did not have the information they needed in order to take the right precautions. So there's this amazing story of how officials in Philadelphia during World War One. They that this pandemic was a serious threat and there was a parade scheduled a parade in the city which in support of the war effort. And they knew that this pandemic virus could spread like wildfire. If you have an event like this but they still let the event continue. I mean it's it's really incredible. It's something that now. It's just unthinkable. Now you hear stories about people that are Going to the beach and all that kind of stuff and obviously a lot of people have strong opinions about that. Some people feel like that's very careless. Imagine if something like that happened where you know city officials basically Government officials suppressed any information about it. They allowed these big events to happen. And as a result of these events people gathered thousands of people got infected people died. And what's remarkable? Is that you look at the number of people that died Americans that died in World War One and you look at the number of people that died in Because of the great flew the influenza more people died in the great flew. The Spanish flu then died in the American civil war which was the war in which most Americans were killed. I mean this was a catastrophic event. I can't imagine living in a time like that. Imagine a time where a war is going on. People are getting killed and then a flu happens. Which is it's you know. Kills even more people and worldwide. You had fifty two hundred million people that died that dwarf even our statistics here in the United States. And this is after the civilized world had gone through World War One it's just staggering to me One thing that kind of adds to the against the fascination with that time is that there's a lot of speculation that woodrow Wilson himself. Actually got the Spanish flu. There's debate about it. Some people think that he had a heart attack but basically as the story goes in as a covered a little bit in our previous podcasts. Our previous episodes basically Woodrow Wilson. While he was negotiating the peace treaty which would become the Treaty of our Si- a at the end of World War. One he during the negotiations got very sick and apparently after this illness had began behaving erratically and changed his policy positions. He started thinking that there were spies around him which is very possible but he got very paranoid and started making decisions. You know erratically. And so essentially his his thinking kind of changed and the outcome of the treaty possibly was altered by that because Wilson decided to side closer with the allies against the Germans which led to a piece of vengeance which led to the resentment that fueled the rise of of Hitler. And Nazism. Now there's a long chain there many events I'm simplifying obviously but in some senses. It's possible that an illness. Perhaps the Spanish flu had implications beyond anything beyond anything. Anyone realized that the timing applications that had that had a great effect on how the twentieth century would turn out so really when you look at that story and how important it is to learn from that story and hope that we're learning from those stories today as we confront the pandemic. It's it's it is interesting to see does not look like at least from my perspective. That would Joe Wilson the handle this very well at all Earliest compared to At least how. We're how we're handling. Covert nineteen right now. I mean I mean you know a lot of people say that we've been laid on the ball and sort of dealing with it and it certainly seems that way if we heard about it you know months prior but the the you know Americans are every American is aware of what's going on right now every American. No matter what they're doing is at least aware that they should be inside and practicing social distancing that was not the case in the. Early Twentieth Century. Under Woodrow Wilson. Right and there's a great book out on that whole story it's about the pandemic generally speaking but it's called the great influenza the story of the deadliest pandemic in history it's written by historian named John Berry and one of the tag lines for that book is called the strongest. It says the strongest weapon against pandemic is the truth. And so that to me when you talk about information how important. That is really underscores. That and John Berry. He's one of those historians that does believe it. Wilson actually had The the Spanish flow. So I mean if you could think of a time where an heaven forbid but you're seeing so many people get the corona virus you know. You're seeing the celebrities Tom. Hanks you're seeing athletes. Get This and heaven forbid that it starts affecting people that are making decisions that really impact us. That already is happening right. I mean Boris Johnson. The the Prime Minister of the UK And so and so forth but none of this was theory during the great flu of one thousand nine hundred nineteen nineteen. This was actually happening. And I just can't even imagine what that must have been like for people when you hear about that and you hear about other flus other pandemics watching this documentary. Few days ago on Apollo eight the moon mission three missions before Apollo eleven but it was the first Apollo eight was the first mission to go round to go around the moon and come back. Didn't land on the moon but it went around this was in nineteen sixty eight and the interviewed one of the spouses without the wife of one of the Sorry one of the astronauts and before the mission the astronauts. So this is Frank Frank Borman Jim Lovell and Bill Anders. They actually went to the White House to meet with President Nixon and meet with a bunch of dignitaries and basically the wives weren't thrilled about this because they're they're they're training they want to execute the mission well but then they have to deal with all these PR events but apparently the Hong Kong is going on at that time in one of them one other wives was really scared that they would contract this flu and then go into space and then get sick and one of the astronauts ended up getting sick but it wasn't from the flu is mainly it was a you know stomach issues and things like that so anyways you see this story about Flus and things like that that creep up every now and then and it's really fascinating and it's something. I think historically more people will probably take a look at and it's a good reminder to this stuff does happen yeah I think It's it's just it's just interesting. I think compared to just how seriously we take this this the this kind of thing nowadays And you know I think back back to what we're saying at the beginning of the conversation you and I were sort of tossing predictions as to what this would lead to again. You know I thought would be disruptive I mean I think around what mid to late February you started to see the Dow tank and I think for a lot of people. I saw it as a temporary setback but I mean just the global disruption in trade has been just astounding the the Dow had lost. I mean it I mean it was two thousand eight level sort of Dow Doubt losses and it was incredible to see a very bad way obviously That that made me think okay. You know. This is happening in China. China's quarantining entire cities. This this has got to have If not just ramifications for for Asia definitely ramifications for global trade. And we're definitely seeing that affect now. Yeah you know one thing that I've been thinking about a lot lately. So we just released our Truman episodes. Joey you you played a big role in that. So we're very appreciative of getting those out there but one thing that the the big thing that keeps going through. Truman's administration is so story was that it was. It was literally crisis after crisis he turns because president during World War One or sorry World War Two has to decide to drop the bomb and then from then on. It's the crisis continues. You know he had the Cold War. He had Korea the hydrogen bomb. And you read these crises and you know how they end..
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"A lot has happened since our last episode Many things have happened. I'm sure as you all know and the first I wanNA say is about. Oh maybe a month and a half ago so right now it is early April about a month and a half ago I was at work was talking to my co worker. Joey and Joey happens to be someone. Who's helped us out on. Editing our podcast. So He's actually been here with me as you know. We record our podcast. And he's been helping for about a two three episodes And I see him at work every day with our day jobs unrelated to the podcast and we were talking and I think just about current events and the economy stuff that you see in the news and he said to me that he thinks that there's something more to this corona virus and at the time it was still happening but mainly in Asia. It hadn't come over to the United States. It hadn't happened around the world yet but he basically said something to the effect of. I think there's more to this than what people are saying. And it's going to be a lot worse than what people think it will be and not only that but it's going to hurt the economy. It's GonNa really change everything and you know the economy. Generally speaking the news had been good and he he basically said that was going to change and me being you know the humble history guy that always talks about how you know. You shouldn't think you know the future. I basically scoffed at him. I said what are you even talking about Joey? There's no way that can happen. That's ridiculous Lo and behold it has happened. Joey is a prophet. Never Doubt Joey Brown ever again and so we decided to have him on odd. Cast right now. He's not just an editor but he is a a Modern Day Prophet. So Joey welcome the show. Thanks for having me Richard and just to clarify. I don't think that my pronouncement was Prophetic it was definitely just a guess. Just just the way. Things were seeming over Back in let's see you said earlier people now February ish a right and and the you could read news reports where it was talking about how China was corn teaming entire provinces. And you know it. It didn't seem good and I was. You know the fact that they're shutting down business over there suggest that it might be more than just and I think at the time with people were calling. It was just a variant of the flu and I think I think a lot of people were a little suspicious of that claim. You know your humility only confirms that you truly are a prophet. So I'm just GONNA leave it at that. I said I'm just kidding. I don't think you have some divine revelation on this but you definitely had a better grasp over what was happening than a lot of other people myself included so just wanted to say that. Joe Brown more than just an editor I. I think it had a lot more to do. With a general over arching sense of pessimism than it had anything to do with me getting it right I think over the last what four years. I haven't made a single correct political prediction so it was bound to happen at son-in-law the whole broken clock thing right right exactly. I think that's that's exactly what happened right right. Well that's good enough to get on our podcast so so. This is a special episode. Life is very different now. Obviously for everybody including ourselves. You know just like all of you. We have our day jobs and our responsibilities and this virus has hit us in the same way. And you know we are working from home. We're doing the social distancing and we had to try to find a way to record this podcast without being around each other and increasing the risk to anybody and so it's it's changed life for us. It's changed life for everyone else. Life Quarantine is quite different. It's quite an experience Joey. How how's this experience for you? It's it's difficult. I mean and I think and I think most people are finding that you know whether they're working from home or just trying to weather out this pandemic. It's it's really tough It's it's definitely. It's it's a struggle to find things to do every day when I'm not doing work in that yeah right and I mean obviously we have our families we have our our parents and our grandparents and everyone that we you know friends that we care about especially those in the vulnerable population. So obviously that's a concern for us and for everyone else and we just hope that everyone stays safe. And does all the right things with the social distancing and everything like that And one thing I will say is that it helps to have modern technology and being able to stay in touch being able to text people do skype calls and everyone's talking about zoom. Now all that stuff so that that's been helpful in the sense that you don't have to feel as isolated as as you would otherwise so okay. Well WE ARE HISTORY. Podcast and obviously. There's a lot of historical insights about this first of all the thing that really stands out to me. Is that this. Pandemic is really unprecedented for people for for people like US Americans People our age. Who grew up. I grew up in the eight hundred nine zero in the nineties and two thousands. And so it's funny because I think growing up there all these documentaries and movies talking about natural disasters right whether it's a major earthquake growing up in California. That's what people always talk about. And you hear about like bio bio weapons and things like that and and pandemics being one of those threats but And you you always hear in those those kind of programs that you know this could happen. And we're not prepared and government reports or agencies. We'll talk about how this is a possibility and yet really. It's something that none of us really honestly think could happen. I mean I. It's something they hypothetically could happen. But it's not something that all of us are kind of thinking. Oh man if that happens that's really going to change my life and I'm going to prepare for this and I think history is one of those things that can have a lot of value to this because history shows. No this stuff does happen. And they don't just happen in parts of the world that you don't know about they happen and you know the you know the the major countries they happen. I rode countries. They happen everywhere. I mean really pandemics. I mean it's a sign of just the kind of world we live in you know it's an imperfect world there are plagues. There are good things that happened in this world. There are bad things that happen in this world. Now that's something I've been thinking a lot of during this time. Where yes it is possible for something on the other side of the world super friendly effect people here and you know you think about the people talking about the wet markets in China and here. We are the world's strongest economy is basically shut down because of that it compared to two recent it least Semi recent viral outbreaks. This is definitely the most disruptive I remember and I think at least in my lifetime the two biggest ones of course where SARS and Murs and they they don't really I mean murmurs was an interesting one because I'm just doing quick research online There was an outbreak in in Saudi Arabia. Twenty twelve's and the it was. It was not a very infectious or contagious disease. That apparently it was transmitted from dromedary camels and on the first of the listeners who are really into camels they know that's a one humped camel. Yeah and it was transmitted to to to some person who had it and then they went to a hospital and transmitted to a bunch of other people and the death rate. I think the the the mortality rate for Moore's was like a third of people that caught it at least at least that's what the I think that the the whol was reporting Which is pretty high. But it wasn't able to spread that quickly and so or really well at all and in fact most of the time it was spreading it was in Sort of a medical setting the hospital setting where you have patients in close contact with medical providers And then they had another outbreak of murders in two thousand fifteen in South Korea where South Korean man was in. Bahrain came into contact with someone or a camel and brought it back to South Korea and there was a substantial outbreak in South Korea but they contained it pretty quickly But but I mean the the novel Corona Virus outbreak. Just I mean it. It's crazy the extent to which it's shutdown just everything. I was had been in Israel for a while before cove in nineteen really took off. You know this is just a month ago. Basically yeah a couple of weeks ago and then I had spent you know about a month. I guess a month since I had gotten there. Yeah and I I mean Israel locked down quite a number of things I mean stores hotels basically airbnb where the only thing that was open and I come back to the United States and go into grocery store. 'cause I I don't have food after I've gotten back and completely cleaned out of toilet paper and And for some reason all of the canned goods with the exception of Pinto beans. I don't think people like those very much so it was. It was quite shocking. I mean just I I I knew it would be or at least I thought it would be disruptive but not to the extent that it that it has been right and it's been a year twenty twenty. This year has been such an eventful year already. You have a things that honestly seem like years ago. But they were just months ago whether it was president. Trump's impeachment and that obviously in it of itself was a big historic event. Not An event in which the outcome was unexpected but still an event of note and then you have a lot going on with Iran and when when president trump ordered the death of general Sulejmani. You had Kobe Bryant Steph. You had the election which is its own thing and there was it looked for a while that Bernie Sanders is going to get the nomination and then Biden is defeated him and several primaries. And then miss so you just have. I guess it's just one of those years. You know you look at different years in history and some of them really stand out as far as being very eventful nineteen sixty eight being being one of them and right now. We're living through a year. That already has been quite eventful. And it's only April. I mean we're not even we're barely a third of the way court of the way there and it's weird the like this the the extent to which all of those events that you mentioned you know. Trump's impeachment Kobe. Bryant's death all these..