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John. Have you ever had a time when something did not go your way every day? And if you ever pushed through that and achieved some kind of great entrepreneurial success. Every day. Barely it. Sounds like it sounds like you should be on a new podcast called the brink. It's from aerial Casten and Jonathan Strickland, and they share the stories of entrepreneurs who took some bold step without really knowing if it was going to pay off or if it was going to be disastrous. Oh, so this is like a free enterprise show. It's not it's not just like that. I am constantly on the brink of total. It's personal disaster. Just about some struggling loser. It's about like Walt Disney betting his whole studio on Snow White and the seven doors via success or this is like the guy that started SRI Racha in Southern Cal. Exactly he was selling it out of the trunk of his car. And then it became an empire every week at some new story of trial and triumph along these lines. That's cool. People who didn't let adversity stop their dreams. I feel like that would be inspirational to me because I constantly let adversity stopped me in my tracks. Even earlier earlier today when I went into the refrigerator and couldn't find any pumpkin pie. I was like, that's it. If you had listened to the brink, you could have overcome. Come that kind of adversity. Listen and subscribe John to the brink at apple podcasts or on iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Many. And. This message. We are Ken Jennings, and John Rodrick we speak to you from our present, which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty first century during the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange, obscure, human knowledge, these recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost. So whether you're listening in from an advanced civilization or just reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This is our time capsule. This is the off the bus. You have accessed and tree four seven four dot one S one zero one three certificate number for five five six one flagpole sitters. Why? Did you do the challenge? Never did the ice bucket challenge. And I have no regrets. Did someone challenge you, and you just ignored them? Maybe is that like is that like stopping chain letter? One guy didn't done by over his head and the next day. His sister got run over by a dumpster. Your mother will diner sleep tonight. Well, I hope there's not any kind of delayed effect. But do you remember did someone call you out the ice bucket challenge worked where someone did the ice book challenge and just to recap for the future? It was we could cure Lou Gehrig's disease. If people dumped a bucket of ice down their backs head or something you dumped some ice on your head. And then as you're standing there shivering, you call out other people in your circle to do it where you want to suffer as well. And I don't know how that translated to curing Luca. But it was it was for us or something some. Yeah. There was some sense that it was on behalf of something. But I don't remember anybody sayings just send money, let's because the most important way to solve any social villas awareness. The problem is nothing cured yet. Just because awareness. You know, my mom always said when elementary schools would have like auctions or spring bake sales that involved like a bunch of performance, you know, maybe making some things showing up at the thing. She would say just tell me how much money you want. I will give you whatever amount. You ask for just don't make me bake anything. My son's old elementary school. I think it was his mentors actually sent home. A letter saying we know you don't care about the bake sales on the car wash or whatever here's the number. You're welcome. And I was like this is my favorite thing ever. Although I think there are a lot of people that love baking love spending five hours baking some cupcakes that sell for seven dollars. Do they love dumping ice on their head? Well, I never understood the ice bucket challenge. And I got called a couple of times. Did you do it? No. It's like to be ridiculous gonna dump a bucket of ice water. Just because I think the bass player of death kept acuity called me out. Call you how John Roderick to dump a book device on your head like perjure or something? Why should he have that power? He doesn't he didn't. It turns out. He does not earns out a lot of people. I think we're using just warm water and fake ice cubes. Because you know, they got those fiberglass or whatever ice cubes, they are do you really think people do glaze is that just a Ken Jennings. I know for a fact that people were using warm water and both reusable ice cubes because why wouldn't you? I did participate in a ice bucket challenge though. Because my daughter's mother was called out by someone at her work, and she felt work obligated. Did to show up for the ice bucket challenge. So she is bucket. Challenged is bucket fulfilled. And I stood there in support. I think maybe I had a towel. I'm not sure I was there from who is the real here there. It was year. That's ask ourselves that every time. Did you say go to anybody's work party for me would be an ice bucket challenge? You know? I did my part did you ever do one of those fad social media infection type thing? Well, I mean, do you count like social media joke formats or means, no? 'cause like planking did you ever do planking? Now, I'm the wrong age to do any of the participatory stuff. But when you think about it like any kind of the joke format that's going around today. The mean that's going around to that's not too different than than any kind of hula-hoop type fat. Right. Is this a loss meme you ever lost me? I did lost me. And I bought her fly me, and these are things that would make no sense to me, you know, until the minute they were explained. But then suddenly it was like, oh, I would like to show my mastery of this. And I too am a lost me Mer, and it has no ice in it. So sure to future links listening through there. We're in a week from now on no one remembers. These were very simple ways that you could communicate that you were a person of your time, a member of your time in place, something you never have to prove when I see someone around here in Europe are large one and eighteen the one thing I assume they are a person of this place. I've never like are you at time traveler from like the Napoleonic era, but are they a influencers? Are they social media maven of some kind? That's what you need to prove it shows kind of casually woke up sensibility. And that you're down like all I'm a forty five year old dad, I can deploy the loss Meam or I can correctly. Ask my kids to spill the T about something. Oh, yeah. This is not. And this is he yes. And appropriate hitting. Black and gay slang is just a huge part of my life. Now, it always has pretty much my identity I during the indie rock years. There was a fad briefly that has to have come out of frat culture. But somehow it got into rock culture affected the drama club kids in Iraq. It did. And it was called icing, which is if you came up with a Smirnoff ice a bottle of Smirnoff ice, which was briefly kind of wine cooler vodka, cooler like a soda pop with booze because it doesn't taste like anything. So let's have. You know, let's put some sugar and Belkin it if you if you approach to person and knelt dramatically in front of them like like as though you were pledging your feel t to them and held up a bottle of Smirnoff, ice, light, whatever. And you're married you would have iced that person. And then that person would have to drink an entire bottle of Smirnoff ice. These just seem like playground games. We're playing Smirnoff keg rules are and it actually was a thing at least for one summer at all the festivals. People would the part of it was you're not expecting to be iced note expects to be ice someone expects the polish inquisition, and so you turn around. Oh, you just got is ha- law. And now you have to drink your ice. There's no way to avoid it. There's no level of situational awareness that can keep people from somebody's icing. Right. And the game is if you see somebody coming. A Smirnoff ice in their hand. You can I guess predict you're going to be ice and like cast a spell of protection against being ice. There's somehow you can you on fifteen or higher come on. Yeah. Right. If you make the sign of the cross beer impervious to being iced. I of course, was impervious to being nice because I don't drink alcohol. So people would ice me all the time like your eyes. That'd be like. Your face because I'm not going to drink malaria's dumb booze. Just you've revealed that it's all I get you can't do anything. It's all it's all fake. What are you gonna do? Kick me out of indie rock, this is now a trope of horror movies that things happen to people in chains. And I think it's all just based on this idea of some stupid Meam or fad coming for you except to make it scare you can't get out of it. When the baba Duke or the it follows or whatever comes you can't be like just what buddy I don't. I'm so refer eighteen years. We recognize. I'm non baba Ducasse te. Well, this isn't a new phenomenon. It's just knew that it's it can be so young people doing stupid things people doing stupid things with it because they have access to alcoholic viral way. But now there are no stakes right? If you refuse to be ice, then the person moves on if you don't participate in the loss team, nobody notices, but in the past fads like this would kind of sweep the nation or the world and the stakes were higher. The stakes were a lot higher because in order to make an impact in order to be recognized in order to be seen. You had to somehow rise above the din. You couldn't just tweet out from your account that has forty two followers and potentially get re tweeted by patent Oswald and your briefly star check on my soundcloud. If you're just sitting at the crossroads of your to local farm roads doing the hula hoop for forty hour. No one knows. Her cares. Some truck goes fi. You know, you see it approach for minutes and minutes and minutes is clouded us. And then it gets bigger and bigger and ride as it gets you. You're like cloud. You've got it. You've got a sign there that you keep putting an extra minute on like I've been doing this for forty two hours thirteen minutes trying to so we gave every person a young person in the world an audience. What a great idea, I know that smart of us. What could go wrong? Remember in the early days of the internet where it was like we'll have access to all information and utopia we'll be delivered unto the world as all ignorance dissipates. It's true. I do go down our long Wikipedia rabbit holes about. Sitcom episodes, gone awry, or whatever the Smith. Yes. But unfortunately, has not resulted in all ignorance dissipating Bowie knew had did you watch the clip of Bowie and nine hundred ninety nine. No. But we had something to say look out. Ninety nine nine he did last year not so much. Look of a clip of Bo you nineteen ninety nine predicting what he thinks the internet will do to culture. Oh, it's fascinating. And approves. He was not a product of his place in time. He was a space traveler from the future always well. And he knew he was like there will be a thing called Instagram and. But the the fads of the twentieth century they tended to be they were dance thongs. It's very popular to test your insurance. There are all kinds of fads that really are just endurance tests of one kind or another you're creating a format so that people who have no content in their souls can produce content. I was talking to somebody who owns a bunch of like. He he's a works for the company that owns a bunch of like improv clubs, right? And there's enough of these places now enough appetite for for comedy that you just cannot get a good comic in every night of the week. So would it becomes about as trying to template ties comedy? So that people can come in and watch some kind of faddish entertaining thing and not realizing that no one has given them comedy, the no, no art has been created. You know, have you ever been to a local standup show? Yeah. Even before that had been template sized. My sense was that it was all the audience was performing their laughter as much as comed- open mic is certainly one of the templates. But now, it's it's comedy sports. It's different kinds of improv games. He was telling about one they do where it's like it's called phone surrender or something. Give me your phone where they just take somebody's phone in the audience and projected on the screen, and they like go through your phone an MC goes through your phone and at first people are horrifying. They're like I'd never I'd never do this. Thank you know. And I would still continue to say that. But by the end of the night, they're like this is the greatest thing ever again unaware that they have not seen nothing actually what comedy. And this is how fans work as well. Like, I don't really have anything that I could do for twenty hours that would make people pay attention, but I could probably Charleston for that long. Right. Or I could buy a raccoon coat and where it well. You know way, you could say that like marathons and in particular these like actual running mayor. Running marathons are a form of this. Like, can you all you have to do is endure this? I mean, you can not stop only one person wins it, but there are thousand people in the race. And all of them are just trying to be there. They're going to not stop to not stop. That's why when seventy runs a marathon. I think for my favorite thing to be to say is like did you win? Bring them back to national world where people are athletic competition to win and not to get a bumper sticker. Did you win or the number on it? And then you'll you'll get those answers like well in my age group. What was your age group? My dad, my dad you've seen him on my piano. Right. All those gold medals. Yeah. I have a stack of gold medals that might dad one in ski racing because he was eighty years old. And there was only one person in his age bracket keys, it so every time he would race, you know, and he's just like careening down the hill eighty year old man just barely hold on for dear life, but they'd give them a gold medal because he he won his class. What if you didn't finish? Would you still get the metal? No, no, that's a that's a DNA f you don't you? Don't get a medal for that. What if he's the only guy DNS he should the middle? What did they do with the metal? Then I'm sorry. This is going to go to waste, and I would no not give it to you the medal goes back into the briefcase for the next race. It's not carved in any kind of year specific way. No, no, no, no. I think that. I think sixty five to seventy or or fifty to sixty five like, those age groups were still very competitive. But there just weren't them any skiers eighty years old. And my dad was pretty good. He'd beat those guys. He'd beat the his challengers. I'm realizing now that you say that it is crucial to every fad that it pretty much be something everyone can do or like everyone can cram themselves in a phone booth. And it was getting it doesn't to yourself to do it. You know, like not everybody can survive it. But the era I think the fifties were a big fat area of big fat era, and the nineteen twenties were, and it seems to me that this kind of fad comes it becomes very popular during affluent. I was about to say if the twenties and thirties have anything in common, it's an artificially high level of prosperity that nobody realized was artifice really high. Well, I think that's true of today to although we're very conscious of of income disparity. We're actually living in pretty fat times that people can sit around loss Mimi. All day and not have to tote any barges or lift any bails. Then are you predicting some kind of rude awakening? There's a really are complacent Clinton era of loss. Memes or whatever feel like your your ability to mean is not going to come in handy in between now, and when the future links are listening to this program that they have better information than we do. But I feel like they're going. They're going to feel like there was a there's some kind of trough thinking about why the twenties were such a fad machine. It's certainly an era of affluence as you say things just going up and up and get better. And better every he's got a lot of free time for dumb stuff. Right. There's also the sense of there's not more important things to worry about when things are good. Why not think about raccoon coats and cramming yourself in phone booths? Because the stakes are low right time. We're one is over did it we didn't need the world safe for democracy that war to end all wars is over. And now, it's a ten year party. That's right. And the stock market is climbing jazz music is in women are cutting their hair and wearing short skirts. Well, this is a big thing because it's. The beginning of youth culture. Right. Like for the first time know, young women, people of color have an influence on the culture. Young women have an influence on the culture with their kind of flap Iran's that break with the past and Dhiraj une- is popular for the first time right and motion. Pictures are now away to kind of diffuse images of people doing attention grabby stuff all over like, right? It's it's on a smaller scale, but we just gave everyone an audience we have radio now record players. But you're right motion. Pictures are in their infancy for the first time, you can go to a newsreel and see some dumb. But attention grabby thing that some guy in Chicago is doing right. See a flapper inaction. This was also an era where sporting. Clothes. That's interest became something. You could wear like your your classic tennis outfit. Which at the time was a white cardigan sweater and a tie and white linen pants. Those were sports clothes that you would only wear on the sporting field and young people started wearing them in town. And it was shocking. I mean, even the straw boater to where in the city was like he's not in a you know, he's not wearing a bowler. He's wearing this sporty hat made of straw. Is. Your sense that this is a this is an abrupt change. That's followed a kind of a long period of stasis where things didn't change that much. Yeah. I feel like that's true. I don't know enough about it. If you think about the sort of matronly fashion of one thousand nine hundred ten and compare it to the matronly fashion of eighteen eighty you know, they're the same in my head. And I'm just not sure if that's just me not being knowledge. I mean, it changed a little bit long black dresses wide. Brim? Hats hemlines are going up and down. They're going up and down within the same two inch bounce. Yeah. It was hemlines. I think we're always at the. The ankle, but you had a narrow waist in a big bustle was sort of a feminine style. But one that would reveal nothing and after the war, but does not actually reveal any shape and men's clothing became more unstructured. It was just a it was a frivolous time and time, and it was an era where the college man became kind of an emblem. Yeah. Is it the rise of college? Is there any kind of like similar to the World War Two GI Bill effect where suddenly a new generation rushing to universities all at once powers? This. You know, that's a really good question. And I think it is a time of the dissemination of education more broadly up until that point if you had a fifth grade education you were suited to go into the world. And I think there was a pride of place that that higher education. Now was available to the beginning of the professional Klein though, right? You know, you can't just be able Incan and go to. Law school from your cabin or practice law without going to law school just pass a bar exam. You know that that's going away. It was an how about this. It's the beginning of sports celebrities sports, heroes as celebrities, you know, nationally known people for doing physical acts, and I think that might power a lot of this kind of stuff. Well, I'm not Babe Ruth. But check out me and my buddies in this phone booth, and and technology allowed you to like, for instance, Charles Lindbergh, he was just flying an airplane. It was basically an endurance marathon. Yeah. All he had to do was just stay awake for thirty hours. And he had a hard time staying awake for thirty hours is hard. And he was he started to loosen it. But at especially if you're in an airplane. That's going. Makes people fall asleep. Do you think he had like a choice of movies? Do you think he was? And Crowe's elizabethtown on my earlier flights. We had real silverware and the the food was a lot better. Now, they just give you crackers. So there were a lot of all these kind of influences combined to make fads really come alive in the nineteen twenties. And you had well, for instance, wing walking was a fat. They're gonna whoever thought, but now we had airplanes and they were open cockpit. And it was only a matter of time before somebody stepped out on the wing. And then it was only a matter of time before somebody walked along the wing and pretty soon you've got people playing tennis on top of our because it's not it's actually requires skill. I don't think that there was a ball in play. I think they just pretended to play tennis on that on that flight. That's the thing about still photos. You can you can hide the ball and acrobatic airplane flying. There was a lot of kind of stunned. He stuff, but but this when we think of nineteen twenties fads, we think of stuffing people in a phone booth which made another appearance in the fifties. We think of raccoon coats, and a sort of a college like a like, yeah. Like a. Maybe the first teenage it was before teenagers were invented. But the boys in raccoon coats and their flapper girlfriends were a Saturday Evening Post trope about Callow youth, and they're crazy Agean these kids today, they've got cars to for the first time kids have cars, and that's a lot more freedom to to go raise a ruckus, get out and listen to some jazz music. But maybe and you gotta do the thing where you have a bunch of champagne glasses stacked on a larger group of champagne glasses tactile in the larger group, and then you can just fill them all from the telephone from the top and then Cab Calloway comes in and a white tuxedo. It sounds great. Actually, I wish I was there. It does sound fun. And the and I mean, we see it portrayed so often in like gangster movies or. Roaring twenties movies, where we know that the end is going to be a bunch of Thompson submachine guns shooting up the place and everybody breaking up because we know prohibitions on its way. It's right now, it's all a signifier for unsustainable. Right. The depression is always the end of that film. All these guys dads are going to be throwing themselves out of windows in five years. John. Do you have a website? I do I have John Rodrick dot com. I have the long winters dot com. I encourage people to go. Visit both of those things I must be super hard to build and create a website. It was hard in the early days of web stuff, and I had to rely on web people. And then be people be waiting people. They became expensive with their weady feet, but then squarespace came along. And I ended up building both John Roderick dot com and the long winters dot com on squarespace, and that has been incredibly easy, easy for me to maintain and administer I dearly love, my wife, but I would never described her as a technical person. But she has this home business now where she teaches cooking and baking classes, two kids at home and at schools, and she set up a website with squarespace and she ended up like the same day, even though she was very intimidated. They have these really beautiful templates. I mean, any style of website you could. Possibly imagine. They have it kind of prebuilt for you twenty four seven customer support. You just step into it. You populate it with your own content, and it goes up, and it looks great. And it looks individual. You know, it doesn't look cookie cutter they do Email campaigns. Now, if you want to send out website content over Email to your subscriber lists when I start doing that immediately. Well, let's finish the ad and then you can start sending out emails. Emails people my Email blog, so John does that everybody else checkout, squarespace dot com slash omnibus for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch you can use the offer code omnibus to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain. Nice squares bays. But maybe the kookiest of all the fads of that time was flagged pulse sitting which surprisingly swept the nation. And it all was the it all stemmed from one guy. A man by the name of Alvin shipwreck Kelly shipwreck he was in the navy and and claimed to have survived the Titanic sinking. Although unprovable that feels like an easily debunked like if there's one place you can put yourself where like five minutes could debunk it. It would be like in a Titanic live right there were manifest who was on the boat. But yeah, but he's supposedly was survivors Titanic. He was kind of a rough and tumble and fun sort of stuntman type of person who made a living kind of like barnstorming suffer was he actually in movies doing stunts flying planes into Barnes and whatnot. I mean, he was he was not like a famous stuntman. He. He was one of these sort of jack-of-all-trades like what do you got? He did some stunt doubling. He was a somebody had a county fair. Who would maybe not eat a thousand sardines? But I mean, no one can eat fifty eggs. But he did. I mean, he worked as a gigolo at one point. He was a cus- a steeple, Jack. I bet and I don't even know what that is. He was he worked he worked on cranes at a certain point keep he he was a veteran he'd done he'd done it all, but he was dared by a friend either. Someone bet him to do it or dared him to do to see if he could climb up and sit on the top of a pole and his parents should have been then if all your friends climbed up and sat on top of a high dangerous poll, would you do it? And he was already up the poll he didn't even have time. He he couldn't even hear his mother's remonstrations. But he did in one thousand nine hundred four he climbed up on top of a pole and sat there for thirteen hours and thirteen minutes. That seems like a long time. If you're the first person to just discover because if you'd asked me his even possible to climb a flight pool and sit on it. I might say, no, I don't I don't even know if that's possible. You would say I don't want to. But I like if I had not known that. This was a fad. I think I might think. No. You can't you can't climb up a flagpole and sit on it. It's too small on top much less thirteen hours. Yeah. Well, and I think you can take up and I'm not sure on that. I flagpole climb whether he took up a like an inflatable doughnut or something to little Hamra to rest upon. But you know, if you think about kids in the tropics who are climbing coconut trees all the time. It's not it's a skill set that we don't have as much, but I think climbing a tree or climbing poll was something maybe more common back when those less TV less on TV I want. I did watch it. I watched a Simone guy. Klima palm tree over. I was in Hawaii with the kids. And we we watched him do the show, and it really was like you're watching a special effect because this is not a skill. We need anymore. It seems terrifying. But I think if he's not if you started climbing palm trees when you're five years old by the time, you were thirty years old. It would have been something you'd know how to it's the kind of thing where you know, every day you lift a pony. Right. So everyday you start with a little palm tree the phone tree grows. Pretty soon you can lift a horse. Well, and also in the area of sailing ships the naming auditees was like your number one job skill. Yeah. And there was a job where you sat in the poop nest crow's nest. Poop poop, the crows poop nest it is approve nest if you're up there for thirteen hours, I guess and you're at the end of a pole, right? Just barely sorta. Hold on. Although I don't think I want a guy up in the Putin s named shipwreck probe. He needs a better nickname. If he's going to be in the navy. I think shipwreck was a nickname. He probably got after he matriculated out of the Neath. I hope in the navy. They called him Alvin safe arrival in port Kellen, they probably called him the bandits or maybe maybe maverick. Yeah. They'd probably call them Alvin. Maverick Kelly, Alvin and the chipmunks Kelly, but for whatever reason him Alvin sitting up on the flagpole, really captivated people's attention in this thirteen hours. Well, sure because you don't want to miss the end, you don't want to miss the end and it immediately spawned at first a local fat, and then a fad. That's what the nation because people wanted to see. Well, he's been up there thirteen hours. I bet I could stay for fifteen. It's the classic. Simpson's thing of look, it's Bart. And he's doing stuff, and then people just stand and look at the you probably go and come back. Oh you. Yeah. You don't stand all thirty doing? He's not doing. Well. I'm talking about the spectator. Right. You don't anything entertaining? I think you well. In fact, he did he stood up there because he's a stuntman he stood up there, and they say subsisted on bourbon cigarettes, the whole time. And who knows maybe he was juggling eggs. But it is the type of thing you see him on your way to work. And then you'd stop back by at lunch to check out. What was happening and you see him on your way home. But no one knows how long are you going to sit up there? So you could potentially set up there for seventy five days, you're not gonna just stand there and watch that. No. But it became a nationwide. Fad people started doing it all over the place climbing much taller polls. Some people were flagpole sitting on polls that could not be described as a flagpole nine feet tall or and for our listeners in the future who do not use the English measurement system, but are using meters. And you think they have meters meters will survive, I'm sure I'm sure that meters will survive if anything survives meters will survive they're up. There are polls that are what four five meters tall. Six meters. Hotels, Devon, eight petals, a flagpole ten outside of school a flight at a school is what twenty feet it's got to be more than twenty feet. Hang on. I'm gonna look up. How tall is a fly. Flag pole is there like a flag desecration issue here? I mean, there are no flags up the flagpole. But then you have to find a vacant flagpole or you have to pull down old glory to your own glory. Apparently you need to select a flag, according to the size of your flagpole. Yeah. This is something that never occurred to me on a giant flag on a little tiny, Paul. You'd look like a fool. You would. Right. And if it's a big flag on a small poll, so if you have an eleven meter tall flagpole your flag needs to be one hundred eighty centimeters by three hundred centimeters. So they're saying that's a quite a big flag. They're saying you need a big flag. You don't put a small flag up a tall pole. You know what I'm saying? You're going to run it up there and see who salutes. And in the case of Alvin shipwreck Kelly, he ran himself up there and people did salute he became a celebrity, and so people would sit up on top of flagpoles for increasing amounts of time and pit twenty hours in a picture for him. He's got a he he brings some kind of platform. He brings a little platform or they build a little platform on top of the pole where you can you can actually sit. You're not just sitting on the pointy end of post. You've got to climb up a flight PO which seems hard I wonder if he's got any kind of gear. Nope. It seems like it's just shinni up there. I don't think this flagpole sitting is not a thing that a six foot four two hundred fifty pound person like myself would easily do I think it's much better suited for someone who's five two and one hundred twenty pounds of super wiry muscle. You can tell just looking at a playground. Who's got that kid who's the little acrobat Kim, that's always just climbing up door. My brother was just climate. On the inside of door jams. Just be sitting at the top of the door jamb lake Spiderman like what are you doing? My daughter has a little friend who when he was two and a half. I turned to his mother and said, oh, my God, your son is a skater. And she said, I know don't say anything, and I was like there's no escaping. It will now he's seven and a half years old. And he is a freaking skater this kid. He's he's like your brother. He can sit on top of a door frame. He's doing par quarrel ready. My daughter was always the kid who is just be wilder and amazed that people her age who were just doing flips on the monkey bars. Yeah. And she's hanging out with two hands. She's been hanging out being like, I need help me get down. I think she's aware that that's her lot in life that she will never be the monkey bar kid 'cause you know, immediately. I was the kid sitting on one end of a see-saw with no kid on the other side as the sad, Charlie Brown the place, and so and and up there like if you're up there long enough. I mean. How does he use the restroom? Well, different people had different styles. But he had a system where there was a tube. And he would as an astronaut, according according to his biography he would turn away from the crowd, which I will hold on. Yeah. I know I imagine. It's not a performance in the round has to be right. So there couldn't be like some pie shaped area on the ground that they had fenced off or it's like us me stood here where you can see Alvin little flagpole this is P area, but he would turn and and use his tube. And the tube went all the way down into a hole in the ground. And I I didn't I'm trying to imagine what the tooth was made today. There's flagpoles that are still equipped with your into don't think. So, but it's got to be up to code. You. Gotta have a drainpipe like if you're sitting up there for thirty nine hours, you could probably just get away with a urine to. But if you're up there for. Well in the record in the end. Well, it's very hard to say what the record is. But in the end Elvin kept people kept upping, the ante and Alvin kept responding to their their challenge and ultimately in one thousand nine hundred thousand nine he's even the great depression. The this must still like a fun time. Imagine it's like the night before. Thursday. He's still up on the pole. But he in Atlantic City. He sat up on top of a play flagpole for forty nine days. Forty nine days you probably need to poop. You're going to have to poop at some point. But I think if you're by the time, you're you've graduated to forty nine days. There's actually a platform they started to build platforms on top of flagpoles. You still not it's not like you can there's not like hut or anything. But you can there's a place to sit you can stand. You can wave to the crat night. He's passing down his chamber pot to to the promoters who have this thing on and you couldn't it couldn't possibly be so small a platform that you couldn't lay down curl up at least and get some sleep. Because you can't stay forty nine days without sleeping for for shorter. Stays you could probably do the Lindbergh thing and just like I read that they would some people would put holes in the pull that they would hook their thumbs through and that way like they could train themselves to kind of does. But if you fell asleep, you would immediately feel pressure on your thumb, and now it hopefully wake you up before you over the edge. I don't know if I could do that's not for me. So the great depression happened, and it kind of put a damper on the excitement of flagpole sitting. I'm surprised he got years out of this. Like he got years and years out of this career. He did and was remembered even after his heyday as the guy he continued to kind of get get little gigs. Right at one point in the late thirties. He was hired to celebrate national Donut dunking week by standing on the top of a flagpole on forty second street in Manhattan on his head while eight a dozen donuts. I wonder if by then it's kind of a nostalgia act. Remember, remember, Alvin Kelly do you like down? That's good news. It's like a big brother or dancing with the stars or something. Let's get this guy back out here. Crazily he joined the merchant marine during World War Two. He must have been pretty old wiry guy. And I'm sure he got up on the on the top of the mass. A few times he claimed that he survived five shipwrecks to airplane crashes in three automobile crashes and a train wreck and one tonic. Yeah. And he did claim that he survived the Titanic, but there were no mail survivors of the Titanic named Kelly all their work, there were Kelly survivors. But all three of them were women. So what if there's a possibility that he transitioned sometime between nineteen twelve and. I think it is less likely than that. He was lying, and there's also some what if he's a translator onward we're robbing that from we're whitewashing history. I think he would have I think that would have been part of his fame. I think he would have claimed it if he'd gone on trainwreck. Or any other people claim that he was called shipwreck because he was an amateur boxer for a time and not not a good one. And was so was so bad in the ring just like staggering around that they're like sort of like, a nickname comes through the worst boxer, and he turns it into hey, by the way, baby I had the Titanic. The sad thing about Mr Kelly is that by the fifties. He had faded into obscurity and had become a penniless like afterthought. This really no second acts on omnibus is there like. Like what these are Shooting Stars. We talk about. But yeah, you don't you don't care often from your from your heyday. I guess I like the ones where you know, after one amazing act that it turns out, Robert Smalls, become some amazing local politician, right hero to South Carolina. But apparently Alvin Kelly did not have the wherewithal to know. In fact, he died, and I I'm not sure this is ironic or not, but he died a by being hit by car someone so athletic so live presumably that he just was walking in the street in Manhattan and somebody like car, ran planes and trains, but not automobiles too bad as somebody who somebody who also got a brief moment of spotlight for just doing something annoyingly long. I kind of sympathize with Alvin it is very hard to peak young. Is there a I have this idea? There's this boon you'll movie about this hermit who climbs up a pole put for God. Not for donuts or whatever. Like, it's an act of religious devotion to like just flight pole-sitter, basically. Well, so is that a thing you're the suspicion when you go back to the initial dare whoever it was that dared Alvin shipwreck Kelly to go sit on top of a flight poll. You would think that they were the genius that invented this? Right. It wasn't Elvin himself. It was this wag barroom wag who dared him to trying to trying to make them. Do something dumb. But in fact, sitting has an ancient lineage and was still kind of literary trope even in the nineteenth century poll sitting is referred to in by Tennyson. It's in Connecticut Yankee in king Arthur's court, it's in Moby Dick references to and it's a references to this kind of ancient like asceticism et cetera. Pole-sitting that all begin with a Syrian by the name of Simion of style. Light the elder. Oh, that's the name of the Bruyneel movie is called Simon of Simon of the desert or something like that. I must be about this guy. Yeah. Simion who who lived in the sort of like three ninety two four ninety era. And he he lived in sort of the area around Aleppo in what's now Syria, and he was an ascetic he from a very young age devoted himself to to worshiping God as a monk, but he was so into the mortification of the flesh so into depriving himself of all of earthly pleasures that he alienated the other monks. They're all like your little too into this. Yeah, they were all living in their making us look bad with the with the abbot super spare little cells subsisting on grains of rice a day and Simion was like one grain of rice. What if there was like really pointy gravel in my little cell, and they're all like on that we all have to do this. When he so the other monks exiled him, and this was an era, and we've talked about kind of the this era. We've alluded to it before as a time of decadence in the eastern empire Byzantine empire. Yeah. This was a time when when slappers and raccoon coats, and the initial Christians were for very persecuted and saw themselves as a corrective necessary corrective for the these guys who were eating pheasant hummingbird stuffed into a pheasant right into fez Duggan's. Right. And so Simion being pushed out by the monks and kind of very. Independently tried to put on like, thicker, and thicker hair shirts. I guess or no those would protect them from the elements so thinner and thinner hair shirts, but scratch your scratchy your schedule he's doing a lot of research into what the scratchy est fabrics. Are. He became fairly popular as a a monk to resolve conflicts or someone that you would go to he sitting there. Trying to pray trying to mortified himself in front of God. And people were coming to him and saying I'm having a dispute with my wife. Can you help me solve? He's like the judge wapner of of Syria because his set asceticism convinces people that he's authentic. He's he's this will be the word of God. Yeah. Nothing new nothing interposes itself between this weirdo and divine. Right. He's not trying to earn any ducats. He's not trying. He he's he doesn't have a beggar's bowl that he wants me to fill doesn't care about in gets. And so he's going to help me solve my my son is away with youth. And I'm going to get advice, and he don't have don't pay them. If there's. If there's anybody any contract that you're not gonna have to pay. It's this guy who insists on poking himself in the field every time he takes a step because he's got shoes full of kitty litter. Well, he wasn't averse to talking to people and helping them solve their problems. But talking to them all day got in the way of praying and he kept trying to sort of sequester himself from from his fans. And eventually kind of in his ascetic wanderings. He came upon a ruin a Greek ruin and climbed up one of the the surviving pillars of the old temple sat himself on top of the pillar and remained there. They'll never find me up here, and the first pillar was only ten feet high. He just got him up kind of away from their grubby hands. But once he was sitting on top of the pillar, he became now, very popular because we've seen flagpole sitting because they had maps of the stars pillars hanging out. And so people now flocked to him and gradually. He kept moving too tolerant taller pillars until he evolution until he found like a pillar high enough that no one that he couldn't be disturbed crowds would come and watch. He's above the mob, and he allowed people to bring ladders. And climb up a ladder to get within earshot of him. And and he would answer their questions or he would consult people, but he remained on top of his pillar for thirty seven years. I like that. It's the first advice columnist is just a guy sitting on. What if dear Abby was sitting on a pillar for thirty seven on your Alvin Kelly never came up with this angle? No. Well, she was right. She sat behind the pillar of her desk, which is now owned by Dan savage. You knew that right? Yeah. Yeah. He's. He's. That's fantastic. I guess documen when there was no mass media like the story of on a pillar is like having a having a pseudonym or pen name or a column it became a his story swept the ancient world. Right Simion style lights, the elder became a celebrity and actually the the religious authorities of his time came and said, they came and they were afraid that he was doing it out of EKO. They were concerned that this was a performance that was not does not glorify God, not authentic. Well, there's a there's biblical precedent for people putting themselves in high places as a way of. Not appropriating, but installing theirselves selves as a substituting for God. It's a tower of Babel kind of vibe, but they questioned him and they challenged him. And he revealed that he was he revealed to them or at least satisfied them that he was truly humble. And so they allowed him to continue to occupy this perch, and he became not just a celebrity in his time, but greatly influential in the sort of ascetic movement. Now, this was a thing that was happening within the eastern sphere. Right. The orthodox side of the Christian world it never became especially popular. West of the schism, but it remained very popular in sort of the Reuss and the the Ottoman your part of the world quadrant of the whole Balkan. Yeah thing. Yeah. That was and they were why they were there. These people are hermits or hermits who have taken their. Erma Taj all the way up to the top of a pole. So his he had a few specifically he had people climbing pillars like he had a few acolytes. There was a seat Daniel who became who was sort of sainted as part of this outside of Constantinople went up Opole and stayed there for thirty. I guess Saint Daniel was on the top of his pole for thirty three years. And then Saint Olympia is this on on interrupted by the way, is that how we're to interpret this then they never came down their their feet never touch the ground. Maybe that's where it gives them this air of holiness. They're the literally untroubled by earthly. They live on food that is sort of hoisted up to them by a bio string. But yeah. And do they have a little hut or so as this became more popular in the ancient world? And there were I mean, there were a lot of sitting on polls, including there were some female. I guess you would say. Nunn's or or people who had devoted themselves in their entire lives to this kind of privation some of them had huts, these aren't like flagpoles pillars, and they did have little railings around them. I mean, there was enough room up there that you could turn around and sit. I don't know how comfortable you would be. So it's a little like three foot by three foot. Yeah. A little platform and with with various amenities, but very small, you know, that's like. That's like smaller than a hot air balloon basket. Or even thinking about sitting up there for Alvin shipwreck Kelly's initial thirteen hours. I think I would I would not want to be there anymore, but I'm not also trying to remove all earthly pleasures and devote myself solely to glorify. God you should be. It's not too late. John. I should. But it is too late for me. I am. Confirmed center and have no intention of. You're right. Absolutely. I could get to build a pillar today. I could get a contractor in here today to rock by inspiration. God could come to me through the firmament and say, I mean podcast on the pillar podcasters one job, you could do from a pillar. There's not a lot of them through. You could be a podcast. You can't be a mommy blogger kids are up there too. I don't want to go to the potty and a tube. I mean, I guess we all do alternately. It all goes down into a tube. Imagine yourself someday in front of the judgment bar and the finger of the Lord points at you and says John Roderick, why are you not up on a pillar? And you say Lord, I didn't want to go potty. And I feel like I would be the type that sat on a pillar dangled his legs off the side. Had a little fishing pole legs. Yeah. 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Here's here's an issue with flight full city for me. Raise bore is part of the asceticism that you don't have a book. You don't make up any fun little games involving Watson's plates or anything. I who knows what's going on inside their minds. You know, the thing about meditating is the goal is to empty your Mosher. So presumably if you're sitting on top of a pole for thirty seven years, you have succeeded in not thinking about anything. Right. And or just saying go mad the thing. God God God, God over knows that really you making you more centered or are you just going to I feel like I would just lose it. Well, what's really strange about some of these characters, including Simion and Saint Daniel, and and the kind of the ultimate expression of that style. Which is a man named Saint Libya's who was a kind of like a generation later. He lived from five twenty two to six forty. He lived to be one hundred eighteen years old if you can believe the accounts, and he's he's a generation later Jenner. Generation Braun to their Jordan. Right. And he was apparently not allowed to build a tower by his local constabularies by his HOA. And so he stood for fifty three years on his feet. Sleeping on his feet living on his feet, but just on the ground on the ground. But fifty three years he stood until he could not stand until his feet gave out and then lay on his side for fourteen more years in the same place. I guess I like the heated something super unpleasant, but without any of the trappings that might make people interested. Yeah. That's how you know. This guy is really devout is like, no, he doesn't even have a pillar ascetics in India who raise one arm and never never comes down and the arm withers away. There's there's kind of a famous guy who has his sign of devotion was he just raised a an arm up in the air. I thought I was just because the the yoga the yoga never called on. Like on the first day on the first day. He has a question and the groups like what's up with this guy? I'm not calling on this guy. He's like Donald Trump at a Prescott. So her thirty years he's just like, but these old saints. They were they were well, regarded and were consulted by emperors, and they strangely are all reported to have not gone insane. But in fact, been very humble, very wise gave great advice, and and in some cases wrote letters to too high mucky mucks from their position up on the pole. I guess it's like when I tell my kids to Trump their phone. I'm like, I need you to have less stimulus. This will somehow be good for your brain. If stuff's just not pouring into your eyeballs every second. And then I guess standing on a pillar is kind of an extension of that. I certainly focuses your attention more than playing angry birds and think about obstruct or even hypothetical things. And this is the wonderful thing about the nineteenth century is that. In the nineteenth century. There was so much more awareness of the ancient world because there were fewer books, and certainly if you're video games, so that Melville could make reference to Simion in Moby, Dick and presume, the reader delay reader would get the reference Simion Mark Twain made a joke of it. But assumed that people would understand because let's density of culture means if there's only like every century only brings three new names, you have to know guess what they're going to stick around a long time 'cause nobody's replacing them. So you can imagine a world not that long ago where you could say he's like Saint Simion and everybody would laugh, do you think in the twenties it would've extended like is there? Any overlap Mornay probably the person who dared him to do it had this cultural familiarity with it as an ancient prac-, and maybe dared Alvin Kelly to do it as a kind of joke in aware that Al. Vigne Kelly was the furthest thing from an ancient aesthetic, right? He's sitting in a bar half-cocked, but he has the physical skills for physical skills and the guy next. I bet you can't do a Saint Simion and Kelly's like dare accepted. So it's yet another case of modern, secular culture, keeping the form of something that came to us via spiritual paths. Right. But you know, just replacing it with a terrible boxer. Yeah. The guy just well. And I think that's probably where icing came from the ancient practice of kneeling in front of someone and saying your, iced and ice pack challenge. The buckle challenge. Practice was somebody to loop. This just don't is over there home that started back in Egypt. When the bucket of ice was considered to be sacred to God. No, none of that is true. But within a within our own time post World War Two when flagpole sitting was seen as anachronistic folly. I feel like we've had a steep decline to correct me if I'm wrong, we're living in not necessarily a boomtime for flagpole sitting right now. Although weirdly, it persisted as a form of protest night, so climbing trees, well and protest and also mean continued to be like people that did it as a sort of novelty number one, David blamed it on TV like he does these street. Magic things David Blaine did a in New York City in two thousand two climbed up onto a pole hundred feet high in Bryant park, and he stood up there for thirty five hours. Now, he didn't have a place to sit he stood but we had a couple of like. Maybe small little hand grabs to keep himself from falling off a red bull and stood up there for thirty five hours and claims that toward the end he was hallucinating. And and it got kind of scary. And I think he had the hand holds in case the wind picked up or something. But this was David Blaney kind of stunt where he's testing his his medal. It's funny because it's not telegenic at all as we said, it's it's someone not doing something, you know, when two thousand and two nobody had a time lapse on their cell phones. Right. And now everybody be standing there like I'm just gonna time lapse this standard for thirty five hours. I don't think it could even be thing today because you know, what we need is the video of him falling or something it's gotta be something memorable. Sharable? Somebody just doing nothing for thirty five hours. It's it's hard and impressive, but it's not bite sized. But David Blaine was following in the footsteps of a lot of people post, Alvin shipwreck Kelly. There was a man named Richard Dixie. Bland -i Dixie, and it was his his nickname. All these people weirdly all the famous flight pulse centers have three names like serial killers. It's what's keeping them from shooting. The president's it's elven ship break Kelly. They found a hobby, otherwise Alvin Kelly would've just shot Coolidge. Richard Dixie Blondy was a flagpole sitter that was constantly trying to break the record. He broke his own record several times seventy four days eighty nine days to one hundred twenty days. I mean, all of these are contemporary records. Right. I think that that Simion has a record of thirty seven years that's going to be tough to break. You can't get you can't get in the Guinness Book of records from ancient Syria. There was nobody there to to validate it and sign the thing. But these these records that people are getting a flagpole in the front in the parking lot of a Pontiac dealership. Richard Dixie Blondy was one of the guys that continued doing this throughout the second half of the twenty. Century actually died in nineteen seventy four when he was sitting on top of flight pull that collapsed. So he is one of the notable fatalities. And you would think that a lot more people would die doing this. But I guess it self selects for people who are absolutely confident like I could not do it. I'm afraid of heights selects REBA who are like window washers. Who are just like. Yeah. No problem unless something goes wrong, I'm fine on this platform. But yeah, you got to check out your flagpole Richard Dixie Blondie, seventy four I wonder if I'm a reincarnation of him. Did he die right before you were right after I'm very interested. Now in finding out what month he died. A woman named Peggy Townsend Clark in nineteen sixty four sat on top of flagpole for two hundred and seventeen days. Unlike how there's a woman of it so women do this not maybe as often as men but a girl by the name of Mauri? Rose Kirby in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine. In protest of having been called juvenile delinquent by her mother or by the local juvenile courts climbed up a flagpole and sat there for two hundred eleven down. We're kind of rebuttal is this. Oh, yeah. I can juvenile delinquent do this. I'll show us the juvenile delinquent. I'll skip school for two hundred eleven days. I'm not even going to smoke a cigarette while I'm up here. Counterproductive who hundred eleven days she sat up there angry about being called a juvenile. I'm thinking other weather is an issue. I mean, this is a good hobby for San Diego. But well, and I don't want to do this in Rochester, New York surviving, the storm surviving the winter. These are all surviving just being in the hot baking sun. I mean in San Diego, you'd sit up there, and you'd have to drink a gallon of water a day that's true in the hot sun. Now, what did you find about? Richard Dixie Blondie is here is he your spirit did his spirit go from his butts from the foot of his flagpole to. So he died he died in may seven. Four the very month of my birth. And I can't find a day noticed found his gravestone. But. But it only house the year really may six so. Yeah, it appears that he died almost exactly two and a half weeks before my birthday, his soul went immediately into you it fell straight to the pavement through the ground and on its way and found its way to a hospital in Seattle. He was in Chicago. Yeah. Somehow I went made its way to went through a series of tubes. Yeah. Went through his urine tube, which did not collapse and came all the way here. Weirdly, one of the great protests flagpole sitters was a a man by the name of H, David worder and h David worder in the early nineteen eighty s was very frustrated by the price of gasoline, and that's his 'cause the price of gas went up from ninety nine cents a gallon to dollar twelve and this radical radicalized to him. He was furious. And h David worder climbed up on a flagpole in November of nineteen eighty two and stayed there for four hundred and thirty nine days and eleven hours only coming down in January of nineteen Eighty-four when gas prices drops. And I remember this guy. I remember the day that they they went up in a cherry picker and pulled him down. Now, he had built a little hut up on top of you know, there was a roof and walls. So that he could presumably go to the bathroom in. Tube without people's and I'm absolutely certain no one cared after day twenty and few people, and he he was keeping a sign on the outside. There was like I've been here for one hundred and thirty four days at the price of gas is too high that it becomes a crackpot thing. That's who should be sitting on poles, well and hilariously and wonderfully h David worder after this four hundred and thirty nine days of fame sitting on top of his flagpole went onto become a perennial candidate congress in Tampa, Florida. And at one point ran for president. Good poll guy. Yeah. He he was described as like, a former trucker a disabled trucker, and he often wait and strike a blow for disability, by the way like being on a flagpole for more than a year. He often would run in in run where there wasn't an opponent in the primary. He run as a democrat or run as a write in candidate. And then he would always lose to the Republican was he was he still on the issue of gas prices or he was he believed he energy independence was his cause. And he was a drill baby drill democrat. He wanted to just more oil more solar more wind every national parks. He at one point in two thousand eight ram. He was listed on the ballot. As h David the flag, pole sitter worder. And I think he continues to run for office in western Florida. So if you live down there in the future future Ling's, maybe a thousand years from now h David worders still maybe he finally won. Maybe maybe he lives forever. I think it's funny that you don't remember Samantha Smith because I was to people magazine. But this or some reason it's really hard to to avoid the picture of this guy coming down out of out of on top of a pole in a cherry picker. I'm sure I looked at it in a dentist's office and went, but it, but it stuck awareness. Do you think it's very persuasive for people who are like, actually, I think s prices are fair. And then you see a guy on hot on a stick. And you're like, wait a minute Cal what if they're not? I mean, this isn't like like an environmentalist up in a tree whose up there to keep the tree from bees not chain to anything. But there is now actually a monk who is living on a pillar weighing our contemporary time in the nation of Georgia. There is an ancient sort of stone. Monolith. An a natural monolith. That sticks up kind of in the mountains in central Georgia. That's called the catch key pillar. And it had an ancient monastery built on top of it. The top of the pillar is probably about the size of this room. Right. It's about fourteen by fourteen percent. And it had a little monastery built on it that had fallen into disrepair and for would you have to ladder up to the monastery. Yeah. Well, for hundreds of years, there wasn't a way up to the top of this pillar. And it's tall enough. It's like a forty meter high one hundred thirty foot high stone plinths known could. Up there. And I'm I'm sure that some local boys probably clambered up there. But it wasn't until nineteen forty four that the first sort of team of archaeologists manage to get up on top of this pillar because there was a little building on it. I mean, wreckage building there were they base jumping in in yield times in six hundred AD. I'm sure some some kid that was used to climbing coconut trees scrambled up there. And then through a wrote a note and little by little they built a humble little monastery up their kids. Holland stuff up a tree to build a tree house. Right. And it turned out when the archaeologists got up there in one thousand nine hundred forty four they discovered that it had been occupied by a stylized someone that was sort of contemporary of Saint ellipse. And this is of course in the eastern orthodox universe. And there were still the bones of a stylized who had died there in his monastery. Probably the last style light died and had thrown down the rope or something I mean, nobody could get back up there. And so it just it just sat in the weather for hundreds and hundreds of years or millennia, even but in the ninety s there was a kind of renewed interest in going up and figuring out what was happening here and a monk by the name of Maxime, Maxine cut Herod's say is Georgia is a this Georgian monk who had lived a wayward life had been a druggie and a and a Rockin roller. He'd worked for a while as a crane operator in the Soviet Union. And when he did it construction jobs are really radicalizing Tillerson Riddick do. He's like I could do that he decided to devote his life to God. And he has now reoccupied the the tiny little monastery on the top of the catch key pillar where he remains to this day. And there's a there is a larger monastery for for wayward boys at the foot of the pillar. And they support him. They send up food and a little on a little crank, and that's something with this poop, and there is a very very tall rickety ladder, and he comes down. I guess once a week to talk to the boys talk to pilgrims that strange kind of love. And then up the ladder. He goes. And he says that the day he can no longer climb down the ladder. He'll just step there till he dies, he'll leave his bones up there as well. And he wants his bones interred in the sepulcher with the bones of the previous stylized who lived there. So pillar sitting seems to be like an eternal expression of faith in God. There's always going to be people out there who just want to be at the top of a tall pillar who want actually. Who want to get away from their fans? They're not sick. But they're not. Well. 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Hi, this is skip Bayless. And thank you for listening to the undisputed podcast. I just posted a personal story on my Facebook page. If you want to know what I'm really all about what makes me tick. What made me me you should read what I wrote about my upbringing. You should read about how I succeeded in spite of a mean spirited drunk of a father, and a mother who was to interested in herself to ever be much interested in me, you should read about my, athletic achievements. And my chokes you'll find my story on my Facebook page, and now let's get the show started. Hello and welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft on today's show deduct Prescott have a better regular season than Russell Wilson. Plus, Greg Jennings explains why Antonio Brown and the Steelers must part ways. And why does LeBron keep talking about the twenty sixteen finals, Skift, Shannon. Let's get to it. So let's talk about that game. A lot of attention will be on the two quarterbacks stack Prescott at twenty eight total touchdowns this season for Dallas. But he was picked off twice and sacked five times in the early season loss to the Seahawks on the other side. Russell Wilson at thirty five touchdown passes this season two of those in the win against Dallas, Shannon. Who had the better season Dak arrests? We own a home for a will the new show last night. I watched the mass singer. So I think we got a new show they pumpkin. So what a Cal. I we got. Are you wearing a mask? Yeah. I'm trying to figure out you punk scaleback. No, no. This is real notice. They no real quick. Then you better have some ammunition over there bay. This is rusted. It's not even close really not even supposed to be here. And this was supposed to be reveal. Remember, they let Sherman go the created being it clip. Abraham Kam chancellor ahead to retire early. Thomas got hurt. I think third or fourth game with the season. And so when you look at it, there's nothing I mean, absolutely nothing. There's an anything that DAT press. Got does better than Russell Wilson. Now, you told me in our home yesterday. I say, you know, what should I believe Bailey? I'm gonna start talking to myself. And I almost started listening to skill as it he told me that I can put I should put stock in pro football. Because when they're great people said because they got guys former NFL GM's and the all they do sit around, Shannon. You don't have time to watch the game. Like they like, they do nothing. Okay. I'm gonna put. I'm gonna put stocking pro football focus is by every metric that Russell Wilson is better through thirteen more touchdowns. One fewer intercession. He had a better QBR. I don't even use QBR better passer rating yards per attempt. Seattle's office six in scoring Cowboys offense twenty-second now, I will give that this. He did have four hundred little over four hundred more yards. But let me ask you a question. Ginny. Do you feel comfortable talking Ginny or me? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Mlive help him out. Do I'm looking at. You know, looking looking looking at. Oh, gee, looking at you, you better be. Yeah. You by nemesis. I feel comfortable in saying that even though Dak through ninety nine more passes for four hundred more yards. I believe Russell Wilson. If you let Russell Wilson throw those same passes. I believe we can average four yards or you could so scale when you look at it. And let me ask you a question who do you have the better offensive talent Zeke Amari Cooper in an offensive line? So given all that in giving what Russ was able to do that. You can't even say record both over ten and six it just so happens. Seattle plays in the division. It just so happens that the NFC east is the weakest conference is the week is the vision in the NFC given that ten and six one in every other division had a twelve thirteen and three thirteen and three I think Chicago finished Levin, Abbott, twenty two more. So with that being said Russel Wilson by every metric that you told me to. Pro football, focus. Russell Wilson the head. And another thing about pro football focus getting you know, this. I don't know if you know this or not, but the had Zeke graded the thirtieth running back and football. So so that thank you for that. I. Yeah. Okay. Only know what I don't even know why brought that doesn't none of my business. I'm sorry. So Dak was actually handicapped by Zeke is what you're talking to say. Thank you for that nugget. I appreciate that that starts to make my case, even stronger appreciate that very much. This is why Dak Prescott had a little bit. I'm not going to go way better year because he didn't have a way better. He just had. He didn't have any better. Let me let me explain this to you. Okay. Let's start with what you always start with me on you always discount. Dak Prescott you say, he's a product of Ezekiel Elliott, right? And yet Russell Wilson benefited from the number one rushing attack in all a pro football. Am I right about that? Seattle led the whole National Football League in rushing and as a team back to your point about Zeke the Dallas Cowboys finished tenth in rushing as a team. So number one to number ten. So wouldn't that be a big advantage for Russell Wilson over Dak mil you start with that premise right there? You're going to benefit greatly. Because everything you do. Throw the football has open wide open because you can run at the way. Nobody can run it in the whole NFL because my right because not just using what you taught me because. Right. So Wilson run it on five times better than what that Prescott can. Oh, really? Oh, that's an interesting stat. Ginny. So help me out with this. I'll just throw this out. I was going to save it for my day Newmar conclusion. But I'll just throw this out that Prescott rushed for six touchdowns. That means he scored six with his legs. Guess how many Russell scored with his legs? How about a big goose egg zero for Russell Wilson. So dad had six touchdowns running the football. So let's add those onto his total of touchdown passes do that. Okay. So now, obviously for the first eight games this year that was really up against it. And you agreed with this. Because not only did he not have a number one receiver to target. I'm not even sure he added a number two and the great, Shannon, Sharpe would always reinforce that. Same point. You always said, I don't know if they even have a number two al-qaeda. And Furthermore, they clearly don't have any obvious tied in target. There's no guy Shannon jar. Well, that's seven happened in the very last regular season game. Right. Didn't they just play the last regular season game? I'm talking about the first eight games. He had nobody to throw to right and the whole year. Guess what? Russell Wilson had to number wants to throw driller. He had Tyler Lockett and Doug Baldwin. You. Don't think those are number ones. I'll take him any day. Those are tough it open Tyler locking gate open on anybody. He had ten touchdowns himself. Nobody looks at look everybody has to be somebody has to be the number one receiver. But I don't think anybody looks at Doug bowl and looking at Tyler Lockett, and it says they're number one in deterrent in the sense. Well, no, they're up there. They're there. But you should. So dash should be disqualified because you said the first eight games, he wasn't very good because he had no one throat to nobody. Okay. So with that should disqualify him this call. No, no. Because now we get to the last eight games. Now, we really qualify. We in fact, overqualified I'm over Russell. 'cause once a Mari joins and you have one target. You just have one number one receiver all the sudden over the last eight games Dak Prescott throws for the fourth most yards in the whole National Football League. This is over the last eight game here. And obviously they go seven and one over that stretch. And he had the third highest completions of that stretch of those last eight games. He had the third highest completion percentage will those three numbers alone. Should qualify him as a top five performer over the last eight game bone with unfortunately, the the season six I'm just I'm going to wait these far more heavily. I'm going to. Value those lasts because he finally actually had a target. And he took them on a run from three and five all the way to ten and six. Remember, what started say remember what before then they were Owen? What three okay? Okay. Three and five that's deepen the season. You're dead in the water. That's after that, Tennessee. How many there's only a handful of teams that come back the Houston Texans. Did it this unit? They were oh in three comeback won the division. It doesn't happen. Very often skill Belan. So what am I supposed to do with these numbers? Dak Prescott average two hundred forty three yards passing a game. This Russell Wilson average only two hundred and sixteen yards passing a game. That's not that. Good. What are you always throw? It me about Dak Prescott that two hundred yard line. He can't even throw for two hundred yards. Right. Couldn't so help me out with this seven times this year. Russell Wilson threw for under two hundred yards. Only five times Dak do for under two hundred yards. So what do I mean? That'd be why why why wouldn't that advantage? Dak no. What about what about the touchdown? What about it's my turn? I think I'm making my case right now. So deck Prescott actually threw for four fifty five in one game against them archrival spending Super Bowl champ. I n t. You know, what it's my turn. Oh, that's four hundred and fifty five yards against the defending Super Bowl champ. Philadelphia Eagles, then he also threw for three eighty seven is that better than two hundred. I think it is so four fifty five three hundred seven for two hundred dollars every game road. Stopping Russell Wilson threw for three hundred plus one time, and it was only three thirty nine. So the deck had two games much hot much higher than Russell Wilson's best game. That's interesting. So let's just do the winds. Let's just do the winds. So in Russell Wilson's tin wins. He had twenty touchdowns two three interceptions. Yeah. In Dax ten wins. He had seventeen touchdowns to only two interceptions. Twenty two three to seventeen to to say. That's that's pretty even other than new throw the six rushing touchdowns on top of that two zero for your. Did he have those six numbers, and you see what you did get better? Okay. We'll help me out. So let's do average distance of touchdown pass. Dax average touchdown pass covered. Twenty seven yards. Russell's covered only eighteen twenty seven to eighteen. So all those thirty-five they're coming from shorter distances because one third of those thirty five km from under ten yards. He is dinking and dunking touchdown passes. I I don't know. I mean, God bless you. If you can do it, you told oh there, you can do it by land or by sea, which which do it and they chose to go by see this. What you've done me. I mean, I came when I came on the show epic September six these two thousand and skill told me he said I didn't play the game. And I don't I didn't break down like you did. But I'm an artist is and say, you know, I covered this game long enough. And I'm an IT has got. If you got these side, there's not one person not even a cowboy fan that will tell you that Prescott headed better. He know that because I know you don't know you don't cowboy fan. No respectable cowboy fan follows you on Twitter. This you know, that on on the truth of even the most irrational cowboy fan that's ninety percent of them know that Russell Wilson had a better season. Okay. Wait, wait is the question here. Who's the better quarterback if we're just doing who's better overall view Russell who had he actually won a Super Bowl? I give you that. Okay. We're talking about who had the better season this year back did Dak was the driving force of a team that turned around once you gave him one receiver. He turned it around. And I tried to tell you yesterday. I didn't think Zeke sheared this year was that great. I thought it would be much better than it was. He'd led the league because no single back gets where it is. With thousands of rebuild. Oh felt like it to me. I asked him. What would it felt lighten? That's the etymology. Again, you need Russell cream on that. You wouldn't feel that anymore was Dallas where the Dallas Cowboys and the rebuil-? No, okay. They play sixteen games. Bennis math. They play sixteen at the whole. What do you know? How young the Dallas defense is because like a bunch of babies like they're all just growing up right before your very I have you seen that rebuilding say that have you seen the defense? Yeah. I have a loan. Bobby Wagner is really young aged Choi. He's he's he's what first year second year player. I forget you make us what about Irving what about Crawford are. They guys Byron dome. Who did the most damage to the Dallas Cowboys in week three that Earl Thomas guy Helen's he'd been in the league. How long have you how how long how how long has he been out this season? But anyone's given sixteen NFL game and ten of those games debt. Chris got through one or zero touchdowns in ten of the sixteen games. Well, we'll do. We'll there's scorn different ways. Oh, Zeke let him score. Or maybe Dak just runs the ball in. He did that a bunch of time. He did it six times. Do your guys. None. You told me if a quarterback throat because when I told you I said well skilled this why give Aaron Rodgers the grade or a little bit of great than I give Tom Brady because of his leg. You don't lane. Talk radio, you his arm. So he doesn't need to be able to run the ball. Okay. All right. So what's the? Roy Wilson doesn't a you. We have. Brady way up here. And then we have Aaron Rodgers here. We have Russell Wilson here new. We have debt Prescott. Okay. We got Russell Wilson here. Did we got deck Prescott? We do we do that. We do not. All right. Stop it. This haunting you because you cannot swallow the fact that you've been wrong about Dak Prescott just boils down to that. I'm not real you basically called him a bust. Yes. Russell Wilson should've been should've made the Pro Bowl you, and I both agree that should that Prescott have made the Pro Bowl. Yes. Or no, no. He's just more valuable to his team. He had a better year than Russell had. No. Wow. Let this one before nineteen after all these years you haven't had a drink in twenty nineteen started out with a drink. So you must be joking about trips been just did. I just I just outlined. Don't you? And you can't you just can't take it. No football focus didn't say now, you told me to put all my stock in pro football focus yesterday. That's what I listen to you. I live. The eight skip said this when people skip the you call pro football foolishness, but I would home I had to change told you I will talk on the way home I was talking about. So I say yes, you should listen to skill. Driving home. I'm driving home, Shannon. You should listen to give you know. What you're right. That's what I said to myself. You're gonna see the light on Saturday. Now trae Mondello the the the the light on Saturday night. I like that. You know, sometime even if you on the right track you can get run over if you're headed the wrong direction. Ooh. Was it you you can't be on the right track? If you're headed in the wrong the wrong. Yeah. I think you're on the wrong road. Oh. Hugh in that playoff game. No mercy. The Steelers are in the news right now for all the wrong reasons might Tomlin shed some light on the drama surrounding Antonio Brown saying he told Brown to go home and rest his leg on Friday. But added that in Tonio didn't communicate with the team after that leading up to him being deactivated for Sunday's game Tomlin went further on the situation yesterday. Take a listen, obviously, we take his lack of communication his lack of presence particularly on Saturday prior to the game to be something very significant. It will be have ended appropriately. So I'm not going to speculate on trays and things of that nature. We haven't formally received requests in that regard. So I'm not going to speculate. I'm not going to speculate in terms of where to discipline might go and things of that nature. Just know that is going to be addressed. And it will be addressing needs to be addressed for obvious reasons when we're talking about the darkest hour. Okay. We're talking about playing to win a game and needing other dominoes to fall for us to be in the tournament. And and the guy not communicating that is a real elementary discussion. Visit reach a point where it becomes more problematic than it's useful. Certain how right FOX NFL analyst, Greg Jennings. Joining us this morning when you look at this situation. How do you think it will play out between and Tonio and the Steelers little know how it turns out? I don't think any of us can say how will we can say how it turns out. But it's we have to see it play out. But how it should turn out? He has to go simply simply put. To go win. I'll start with even listening to Mike Tomlin in that press conference. What was then Tonio Brown doing? Was was he respectfully just listening or was he trying to one up him in mock him and make him almost look like, look, I I don't want to hear that. I'm not listening to you. He's already shown the dish respect towards not only the organization in his teammates. But to Mike Tomlin. I don't even respect you right now. Whatever you have to say, I'm not even listening in neither should anyone else. Who's following me on Instagram or Twitter, or all these social platforms? No, listen to me. Don't even listen to Mike Tomlin. I got this under that is a that is a slap in the phase where you you just don't come back from that. Antonio Brown is who he is right now in as much production that he is produced for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ben Rothlisberger net offense. We all know what it what it looks like. And what it's been. It's been great. But is it worth the culture isn't worth what we're trying to do. Is it worth the wins? That we lack because of this because of this like, I don't care. How productive you are if your if your goal isn't an alignment with mine, we can't win the reason why the New England Patriots win is because they lay all differences aside when they get on that football field once they're in that uniform, and that helmet is put on everything that we disagree on is out the window right now in if you do happen to continue to disagree. You're out the win. Yes. Exactly in what Mike Tomlin said at the end of that. When the reporter asked him at some point does this outweigh to production. Does it become too much with all the antics, whatever? And his his answer is certainly I hope he sticks to that. Certainly. And it's not just Mike Tomlin that has to do that. That's that goes that's the Rooney's have to make that decision. But you can't allow Antonio Brown. To come back with this attitude because it's not going to change. I don't care. How many times you sit down with Ben Tomlin bring us all in a room. Let's have a come to Jesus moment as everybody wants to allude to it. He is who he is. It's not changing. I'm a firm believer in order for your team to enjoy success. Your best players need to be the hardest workers and the best leaders true. And the two best players for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Are the worst leaders Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown? That's the you see the thing is is that when he went Facebook live in Mike Tomlin is laying out what they're going to do for the upcoming week. And get ready for this joke is in the background. So at that moment, this is not about you team. This is about Facebook, and my followers and then getting an inside, bro. That's that's that's sacred heat. Caught thompson. I've got a shot at the patriots. Those a. You're the head start. And it went out live not while and they didn't care because it's never been about the team. It's always been I've when skit when I speak to college guys, and I speak to NFL guys. This just getting into the league the one thing I tell about says, I want you to be selfish. I want you to win the Heisman. I want you to be all I want you to try to make the Pro Bowl with MVP. But those goals can never supersede that or the team because if the team goal is I I know you'll work extremely hard to accomplish what you need to interview. Accomplish those goals, we're going meet those teams goals in Tonio team is in Tonio Antonio care about one thing his members Antonio tell you he just wants to win. He does what a win. But I need twelve catches for fifty two touchdowns in that we now because if I give fixed for fifty down that ain't good enough because I saw juju get Tampa one hundred and five and a touchdown. I can't have that. The gotta move on because right now skip production. Intolerance, you tolerate this because production level is hot. It was the same thing with -til skip. And I loved his production was high. He was getting fifteen hundred yards receive and he's getting thirteen fourteen touchdown. But the moment that production slips he gone, but what he's doing is that he's poisoning the locker room because you got young receiver Judy only in the second year James Washington's in his first year, Ella Rogers is young. That's the that's the defining voice their meeting room. That's who they're looking at it. Like this do bucket, and he got seventy two million. So what's to stop me from bucking juju? Putting up numbers? Hello. Happy didn't Tonio I have more yard located in Antonio. He acted like this got paid wasn't stopped me from getting getting pain. I'm producing because they keep looking at the head coach. How's he gonna react? He doesn't react. He doesn't react. He doesn't react. He goes unpunished unpunished unpunished until now, and that's the thing. You can't have is like skipped you and I both the dog loving, and that when you get a puppy, you strategy, set the groundwork for the parameters highest gonna act you don't let it go into how no you can't get a puppy. Let it go in the house till he's five years old. And then all of a sudden say, you know, what I want you to go outside looking at you like what how many going? Stay right here. You've been lending Tonio ground do this. So you don't you. Do you pans that problem or somebody else? Hey, y'all take it because I can't deal. I don't want to deal with it anymore because it's preventing us for reaching our ultimate this is what is Pittsburgh Steelers are home skip they to talented. There's no reason you fourth offense, you're eighteen defense and you're out of the playoffs because of this because we Antonio Brown because of being because of what am because of what Mike Tomlin is news organization has except. Yes. So this story is wearing me out. It's tiring me out because this man across me said from day, one do not pay them bad idea that I echoed your sentiments. I said do not pay him. I said do not pay Odell Beckham junior or you will regret it in the giants. I believe are already regretting it. They're both more trouble than they're worth. Because as you continue to point out. They play you know, this position. Very well. You know, it pretty well. It's dependent position you can do only so much because you don't get to dribble. The ball up the floor and decide whether to shoot it or not you have to wait until it gets thrown to you. And if the other team says Greg Jennings cannot have the ball today. It's going to be hard to get Greg the ball to write that will benefit everybody else. But it doesn't benefit Greg. Ginny. Right. So obviously Antonio Brown has become way more trouble than he is worth. And all of his social media follow. Thing does not contribute on Sunday. It doesn't help you win football games. In fact, it's really destructive to you're trying to win a football game because you one championships on two different teams that were pretty United as far as I knew. One on a team. It started a fracture later. But that year, I think you're pretty together. Right. You have to be no one's ever wanted to those cowboy teams in the early nineties off the field. They were. My last book was titled hell, bent, they were held off the field. Trust me in the locker room when it was time to work on full. They were like this man, they loved each other. They fought for each other. And they were super talented, and they performed up to that level. Will this team is super talented? And it's it's consistently not performed up to the level. When it's time. They again, these were indictment games what they did to New England at Pittsburgh. They showed you. Oh, you can do that. Really? Oh, you're really good. They showed you at New Orleans. They can hang right in there. And they enter chance to win at New Orleans and they missed the playoffs. Why did they miss the playoffs? We'll it all starts. They're all they all get blamed. But but to your point they're all finger pointing? Maybe hanging over guy. So you have to cut bait and cut your losses. And again, we were headed this. So we're not being twenty twenty hypocrites or twenty twenty hindsight. We're saying we we said this from the star, we told you so, but now you've made your bed, and you have to get out of your bed because it's not going to work next year you have to give him away and you're going to have to give him. Well, you're you're not going to because the money is so high that somebody's going to have to take on. And the baggage is so much that this trust me you can try to auction them off. And you might get a I don't know you might get a third round or second third, but they measure question that's not gonna third round pick. We'll give you the production. No matter what the position is that you get with that second second third round picking if they're going to give you the production. Antonio Brown was here's the thing. Maybe I could see you know, what if I'd won two or three championship. But let me ask you this. Do you think Golden State we'll put up dream on antics, if they had what three championship on a chance not all to kick it in the? Just like rot Detroit put up with Rama Dante's they winning championship. But the moment I trust me. The bulls put up they did. And when when Jordan when Jordan is going to be controlled this guy. You got to go got to go. And this would Antonio we've not hold on to tell me. I'm paying you sixteen seventeen million dollars a year to miss the playoffs me somebody not paying that much Mr. playoff. I've missed the playoffs with you. I miss the playoffs without you. This makes no sense to me because Antonio Brown is dug in on who he wants to be in how he wants to play, and that's not going to change and to Greg's point. And I mentioned this earlier in the show at the flash point moment yesterday when he had a chance to show a little contrition, a little penitence just a little bit of let's live and loud, you know, like a little bit. He's mocking the head coach during his live news conference on TV, and then have it. And then I don't know if he posted on Twitter Facebook talking about his free wheel. Yes. Don't free will do they pay you eighteen million sixteen seventeen million a year, and you don't show up to work. Caused sounded like a drew Rosenhaus special to me, and you touched on this get when you have when you really you notice when you really have a respect in a relationship outside of just the game with your teammates with a workers, you you will go above and beyond. It doesn't matter to you who shines because if you do well if you look good, I look good. If you if you draw attention that means I have more opportunity if I draw tension that means you have more opportunity, but because this team doesn't have the commod ary off the field. They're not as tight knit winning is not the supreme goal when it comes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They talk about it. But they're not about it. Why why do I say that because they want their own look at their offensive line calling out lady on belt. It's really us. What do you mean? We were you have heard of his life in it does ever you care. When you're very line never said anything. No do got eighteen thousand eight they raised the handlers. Eight I mean, Nate news. That would be me. Now, I got cool. Alive. And you've got us. The list goes on. And can you imagine Talmon getting off that podium and going how did that go? And then someone has to tell him what AB was doing. I mean, just that relationship. I don't see a word. I mean, it's there's really no way back from that. All right. Greg. No. Ravens are a small favorite in their home playoff game on Sunday against the chargers. Lamar Jackson has burst on the scene and led. The ravens to six wins in their last seven games. Baltimore beat the chargers a few weeks ago here in LA in that game. Philip rivers had one of his worst games of the season. No touchdown passes. And he was sacked four times. Shannon who do you trust more in the playoffs? Lamar Philip rivers. I'm gonna go river slightly. I just think I just believe in the playoffs. After having played in the playoffs that it comes down to a Cup that there'll be a couple of plays in a game that needs to be made the the quarterback saw. And you're not going to be able to run for the first you're not going to be able to hand it off for the first you're gonna have to throw for the first. And I just believe that Philip is more at this point of his career. I just believe that he's more qualified to do that then Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson had most passing yards in a season is two hundred and four Hetty had enough. Completion attempts. Fifty eight percent. Completion would have ranked him thirty first in the league rivers for the most part has been an MVP candidate. Now, I still believe that he'll finish somewhere top five in the MVP Mahomes. Breeze. Look either Donald a river to be fourth and fifth, and I believe that's the way it's going to play out scale. But if you look at it like this since he's been named a starter. Lamar Jackson thirteen pass temps. What has been third and ten along. He's completed one. Feel comfortable in saying they come playoff time. There'll be a they're going to be a time or two in this game is going to be third and ten and Lamar Jackson will be will need to make a throat, and I believe they'll be third and ten for the charges, and I just believe Bill rivers at this point of his career is better suited to make those throws than Lamar Jackson. The Mark Jackson its really really heavily dependent on the running game. You look and they can run it as well as anybody at seven games over fifteen hundred yards rushing. That's unbelievable. Only the seventy seven bears had that meeting. Rush yards over seven games fan. So for me, I'm going to trust rivers because I believe that in the playoffs you can have to make throat, and I just believe right now, we're rivers is in his career he's better suited to make that throw than the March, axel cut. So I hear everything you just said, I also I'm here to say this is a crazy question in the biggest picture because Lamar Jackson at this stage of his young career. Does not even belong in the with Philip rivers. But I'm also here to tell you that I trust Lamar a little bit more on Sunday at Baltimore than I trust Philip rivers because of the circumstances involved here, I believe Lamar will not try to do too much because they don't ask him to do too much it'll living they don't let him. He does exactly what he's capable of doing at this stage of his NFL growth. I believe Philip rivers at some point on Sunday on some third and ten we'll try to do a little too much because that's who he is. And what he is always been to this franchise and too often when he tries to do too much, you know what happens, right? So let's look at Philip rivers. He is four and five in the postseason, which it's okay. But it's not great. It's not living up to his regular season stats dach-. So in the postseason. He's eleven touchdowns to nine interceptions. He has not won a playoff game in. Five years, and he got to the one AFC championship game. That was against those oh seven patriots who were loaded, but it was that cold day up in Foxborough and he had a bad game. He's nineteen to thirty seven for two hundred eleven yards. No touchdowns to interception. Sounds like the numbers against Baltimore. And they weren't very good and Brady and company went onto the Super Bowl and obviously lost to eat aligned company. So the point is Philip rivers has to feel more pressure on Sunday at Baltimore because he's turned now thirty seven years of age he's in his fifteenth year, and he was quoted a year ago saying there's no way I'm gonna play until I'm forty five years of age. He has no ambition to do a Brady, right? You'll have to you. Do you think the kids got a ninth kid on the way? Okay. That's a lot of kids to go have a tip when on the wedding that's been his history. But he also said that at some point he wants to help coach his son's high school team and his son is now just turned sixteen years of age. I'm not sure exactly what your high school years sophomore, maybe. But with okay, which I know he's got a, but that's the oldest kid. So he probably would like to help coach a bunch of his boys our girls, whereas they come up. Yes. And the point is I just don't know how much longer he wants to do that. With that many that much responsibility at home. That's a lot of response. Thanksgiving the commute because still on Yego. He had that that yard is tricked out that he drive to and from every single day that I mean, you think about that skill. Okay. One year, that's fine. But you start doing that two years three years four years. San Diego to where they you know. That's not a that's not a short commute is not a short commute, especially with what can happen on the four or five. Yes. She's got a drive up book you see? Film Jimmy made that commute was longer than I held actually. Excu. Big buddy. You not flying the plane, go back and forth. Extended period. The you like bad this put a bird's. Hey, I I had a once a week commute from Bristol, Connecticut to New York City, and it was no cake. No, yeah. No fun. So back to this Philip rivers and company they threw the ball. The chargers did five hundred twelve times this year, and they ran at three ninety nine. So, you know, they're they're they're gonna put it up. Yes. And we know that Lamar and company they're just going to run it and run it as long as they can run it. They will run it. They will give for your team. Okay. And a number of those attempts will feature Lamar Rick because he's really good at that. Yes. And I think he's been shockingly good under pressure at at those little key passes. And they're not big deals. They're just little big deal. But you remember last week give? Yeah. Did they let him, bro? It the last. Drive. It was three runs three runs. And you know, Greg William is coming. Greg Williams is coming run blitz. And they would not let him throw the football. So told you at that moment when they were thinking, but Kansas City, I saw him throw it enough to put them ahead twenty four to seven with two minutes left. Right. Okay. That was pretty great. What I love about this kid is I've told you from the start I like his poise under fire. He doesn't change. I don't see him flinch. I don't see fidgety. I don't see nervous body language. He looks just the way looked at Louisville playing a college football game the stage isn't too big for him. He believes in himself and what he can. And can't do he gets that? So far, they get it mardi morning gets it John Harbaugh. They're putting him in very advantageous positions. Do exactly he throws it. Well enough to win this game on Sunday. What they do. Skip is that they catch you up because they let him throw a summer. Most of a lot of his throws come on first and second down they do. You're not expecting it. They don't want him to get in third long. They don't want him to throw in the situation. And obviously he's gonna throw almost all of them. Come off some kind of play. Of course, any kind of read option ashen makes. It makes it easier. It is you hate this description, but it is Tibo esque. He have anything in common with Tibo as far as their styles. Go, but they're they're similar approaches that twenty eleven Broncos run to this. You run zone read. Because now we gotta find out what you're going to do. So we've got to play crystallize itself. Go we wanna make sure that he's not throwing some exotic coverage. We know because they run the ball so whale. It's going to be one of one. The question is can he be accurate enough to hit? The ain't got that is the question. And so far I think he's been mostly accurate enough to hit the open receiver. So let's look at the ravens defense their second point allowed first yards allowed. What do they feature in their back end a guy named Eric Weddell? This is twelve year. Eric whittle. He made the Pro Bowl this year and nine of those seasons were spent practicing against Philip rivers. So does he not know Philip rivers pretty well. Does he not anticipate in pretty well, it probably does. So charges were eighth and points allowed pretty good. 'cause your SuperBowl. Pick is a good pick. That kid Derwin James is flat out way more talented. I think the Eric wetlands and he made the Pro Bowl, but he's in his first year in the National Football League. So we'll this stage be a little bigger than he's used to ensure it will well, and the thing is it's been reported that they're going to activate hunter Henry who tours ACL's. So that's another weapon. So we don't know how effective he's going to be. But will also got a million dollars for making the Pro Bowl and make 'em making the play already good. Nice little constellation Brian. But it's going to be interesting. How can the chargers put the ravens and Lamar Jackson situation where we know you're going to throw the ball when we? Want you to throw it would. I be surprised if they ran the ball fifty times. Absolutely not would you not either. Because if the last if history's any indication over the last seven weeks they've been thirty five to almost fifty Russia Timpson per game. Okay. So on expectations of each quarterback. I'm gonna trust Lamar little more because he's expected to do way less than Philip with pressure mounting in his what are we up to fifteenth year, surely Phillips thinking, gee, I don't know how many times I'm gonna come this way. Again. I got a good team. You know, I don't know how many more times I want to do this. Yeah. Okay. So you don't think he's gonna feel a lot of pressure? Do something make a big throw because last year that any make the playoffs now as low as you get older, and you missed a play like, well, how many more opportunities am I gonna have? If not like Patrick Mahomes is in his seventeenth year. He's not going anywhere point four and five in the playoffs to like some point. He's gonna want to he'd better than that. Well, he better start. Well, if you don't win this game, you'll be four and six Harbaugh said this is the best team. He's ever been associated with ever the way they've handled adversity or something, right? But head with skill. I do not believe head. Joe flacco not got injured. I don't believe they make the playoffs with Joe. Flacco bachelor, totally agree. All right. The Lakers were without LeBron for the fourth straight game last night. And his absence was definitely noticed late in the game. The Lakers had a five point lead in the fourth quarter. Then the wheels kind of fell off Paul George finished with thirty seven points despite being booed by the crowd all game. Russell Westbrook finished three for twenty from the field. But he still had a triple double. The Lakers are now one and three without the king ruined by f s one NBA analyst Chris Broussard here we go. Chris. What was your takeaway? My first takeaway was Maine, man. All George would look great, Nick, Ron James. He's the perfect number two. And last night. He showed me Mitchell toughness that he hasn't had in the past. I don't it went, and I agree with a year ago when Indiana booed him when he went back scores twelve points. Our teams you right last night. He aided up few guy fueled by the booze. We'll he's he's become the man in Oklahoma City. I think he's empowered by that he's having his best using beyond before the injury. This is his best years. He played without question. He made the move himself into the MVP conversation at some point. But I overall the Lakers played fairly. Well, I mean, they're not only without LeBron. There was out Rondo and then they were without coups for the second half. And here's what I saw from that team for the first three quarters. I thought they. Play team basketball. They're moving the ball. The players are moving it. Like they were relying on each other to get them buckets and shots versus somebody going created themselves. I'm going to get my own stuff. Right. I saw team basketball in the fourth quarter. I thought there was more ice elation more one or one moreover dribbling, and it was looking for one guy to lead us. Now. That's fine. When it's LeBron when LeBron's there you can make that switch and go that route. Yes, the used to do it with Jordan, you know, that's how but an even move would be your second guy would be. He's not there. I agree so Ingram, look he did it against Sacramento that was fine. But he can't do it every night. He's not the guy to do it every night and take his call. We'll Popat twenty one points in the first three quarters because the ball was just finding the open man, whoever it is. And Lonzo had a lot to do with that. Right. Heel the fourth quarter. Go ahead in the fourth quarter, call we'll pope gets four points. Yeah. L? Three shots Ingram is one for seven because they were looking for one guy to close rather than continuing to play as a team. They're looking for him to close. But I think they were looking here. He was looking off if we look into clue he was dry. Yeah. He was trying to be LeBron. Yes. More less. Nice. You wanna emulate, but you him and that that's what I saw from this team. But I said yesterday, I didn't expect them to win Kouzmin. Obviously, I think LeBron's going to miss several of these games will be for me. Who's Rondo obviously is going to miss them? All and Kouzmin. That's the key. How that MRI does how soon he can get back because if if those three are gone, then they'd be lucky to go five hundred in this stretch. They're in trouble without LeBron and the three losses since LeBron has been out. They've been outscored about forty four award. And it's amazing when you have that calming effect. You know, I call them camomile tea like Naveh, you know. Calming affect well. But and I love the Ryan. But look they were having trouble closing games with him. Thank come on. Come on where they will. They just close audio. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. But they will not getting out scored by the average of thirteen and that's the problem because they're right there in these like say for three quarters, and then they put the ball and beyond and not necessarily. So he can go one on one. So he can initiate the offense. But that's not what he's good at. And one for seven skip lunch in the fourth. Go in the fourth quarter loud became unplayable. Because it's shot is so inconsistent. He doesn't feel comfortable driving the ball. Because if you drive the ball, what might happen skip you might get filed. And then you gotta go to this take this lonely. Walk federal land these little LeBron knows that wall in the fourth killing. Lebron ain't never shot under for team why they are terrible. And this is what I told you. It was going to be the Lakers problem at the watching him pertain games. The turn the ball over another seventeen poor free throw shooting. They missed another thirteen. I don't care if you got LeBron you do that. You're losing. You're losing. But again, Lonzo scam don't free throw that co going in that shooting the ball hoping man, I hope I don't care about seeing. Thank you, not even look at you shoot the ball. So hold on. But you won't meet to believe that he will be a great shooter from fat. And watching the way when he's dribbling the ball taking this time. Can you imagine what somebody running at you? They in get too little broad get back. Now why he'd UP in everybody know? So silly me I envision LeBron late last night up on his deck Brentwood. Hard to gain big cigar? No this is late. This is like one o'clock in the morning. Pulping cigar thinking. No, you don't do that. I got this. I got this because this is MVP case right being made right before your very eyes. Right. So he has to enjoy some of these losses. So we don't enjoy if they fall too far. Now, they fall all the way to the eight spot. Yes. Yeah. No. I think it'll be too. You'll be okay. So let me get this over with you are so right about Lonzo ball. It was going to be my first point. I had to get my little LeBron point out of the way. I but Lonzo ball I'm going to go. This far you can't play in this league shooting. Forty five percent from the free throw line, especially if you're a point guard your seven foot two, and you can do a bunch of you wallet. You that's why I'm saying you can do that. That's fine. But as a point guard, you cannot shoot forty five percent from the free throw line in key moments in the fourth quarter to your point because that was still a game when he stepped to the line the first time, and he bricked both of them. They weren't even close. And then he missed another one before he finally switched his fourth win in the fourth quarter and Luke took him right out of the game. And I had no problem with that because he was becoming hack Alonzo liability. Yes. And hey, they're stupid point guard. Okay. Well, I'm just saying you can't do that. He is shooting the ball three much. Better than he did year ago. So you got to give him that. And he's actually he will step up and make some big three's fourth quarter. He has he's not afraid to take that shot. But he's afraid to go to that free throw line. You can't exist. I'm telling you you can't last in this league until you fix that. And I thought maybe he would fix it in the off season. Because what do you shoot last year forty nine percent? You know, that's that's pathetic. That's can't play that. That's do. Not invite him. Right. Certainly can't play in the fourth quarter. I'm saying like on on. He he's like you said he shot the ball wealth from three at times, especially playing off LeBron, but he's inconsistent. Yeah. Right. It's just you don't know you have no idea from day to day game to game. What Lonzo is gonna go over shot in the shot. Right. Right. Do I love his passing gift? Yes. I do do. I love his rebounding ability at about six feet seven inches tall. I do entrust me. He's still their best on ball defender when he locks in on somebody. He is so long. He makes it really hard on the. Opposing teams guard, and he had Russ a lot last night. And I have never seen anything like the shooting slump. He is in given his stats over his career. Oh my goodness. He shot three for twenty. And they still won the game last night because he's still going to. Right. That he needs to cut down the threes. He's taking five threes a game shooting twenty four percent from three twenty four seven last night. Wow. I mean, you just if he look I get that you have to take a few to keep the defense honest, but he should be taking maybe to a game at the moment. Yeah. So now's he can do so many of debris. Landon Ingram you brought it up. So this was a big stage for him. This is like a big, Moe. This is a winnable game without Kouzmin without LeBron without Rondo, and they said BI you're up. This is your stage and he plays the whole twelve minutes of the fourth quarter. And he goes to your point one for seven and he played completely out of control the whole fourth quarter because it was hero ball times. Ten he would just get it. And turn whirling dervish just whirling around the lane dribble dribble dribble to follow away some high degree of difficulty. And he just kept breaking him, and he had to turn turnovers on top of that. And he was a minus eleven the fourth quarter. That was not a good audition for you being the second best player on the team. Right. Nor a good audition for being the show in so piece of betrayed by. We'd better about Ellie. Well, maybe the statement center. Well, you should've been rooting for him last night. But if I saw what was going on. I had to go to be skilled already nine thirty like nodding up into winners on give me a good. Give me a good. But these next seven will tell the tale. They were supposed to lose last night. Chris you keep talking about what you look at who. They guess what other teams will say look on your lake. I know they're looking at the Lakers like like the Lakers looking at the Knicks. And they look at it. One we can get. So I think about this Paul George shot two for eleven from three last nine thirty seven points. But to your point Westbrook shoots one for seven from three as a team, they shoot thirty one. I'm sorry. Twenty two percent. Twenty two point six percent from three and they still won the game. And they didn't shoot. Well from the line even sixty four percents sixteen more shots. Okay. They not a good shooting team. Let's see how they do tomorrow night back in action against the Knicks. So maybe they figured out. They better win that our care, whom you. Other better beat the what. Kevin we're gonna stick with LeBron because he keeps taking us down these trips down memory lane. Files again, we'll discuss we'll tell you. Ron recently said that he felt like he was the goat after his Cavs came back from three one deficit to beat the warriors back in twenty sixteen yesterday. Lebron show more than an athlete released a clip of what he told his teammates in the locker room after game six which tied up the series. Bronze said about Golden State, quote, they aft mentally and physically I'm telling you, they eft up. We're joined once again by Chris broussard's, Chris what do you make of couldn't show the footage? Lebron was absolutely right. I agree win the team is up three one. And then the other team was the next to force the game seven. There is one of those games on your home floor where you had been all. But invincible all year, you're going to be messed up Lee when you're up three one in almost every case, you're the better team you should win the series. You want three of the first four games. And then you lose two straight, so mentally that's going to mess with you. When you look at that game seven Steph curry six for nineteen four- fourteen from three Klay Thompson six seventeen to for ten from three. These are two of the greatest shooters ever best shooting backward. I think best backward period of all time and they didn't play. Well, now, I'll give some of that credit to the Cavs defense. They play really good defense. But that same defense gave Draymond green thirty two points. He's scored thirty to thirty two fifteen and nine big. Yeah. You go. So that shows. Mentally staff. Clay, they were shook they were little messed up. So I think LeBron was right on the money with that quote. Here's the thing. When you watch that whole episode of more than an athlete sometimes the Brown with the tweets, the Instagram's and he always seems like he wants better teammates. I need more help I need more. It can come off. Like he doesn't have enough confidence in himself as the best player in the world. Like he should. But what I saw from that video not just that quote. But watching that video and you hear a lot of things around the league about LeBron's leadership positive and negative. I saw a great leader. I saw the Oltra confidence. When when they were when they were down three one after they were down for one after game four and LeBron was in the locker room, and they showed it in that video and get it. This is his company editing it and showing what they want. But the footage is still real. He was in the locker room saying, let's just get one. All we need is one don't worry about three just get one. Don't worry about like that was he I thought at that time covering that series that the Cavs and LeBron were done at that point. I thought they were shook I thought he was shook their no way they're coming back, and they know it, but he was in that locker room saying just one don't worry about three just one team self and his teammates that showed me a great leader. I thought the way handled the post game interviews is showed leadership. And that quote, I think it was right on the money. He said just what they needed to hear just what was on point. Kabbadi wanna go out wanna go, right? Don't want to go so exactly which side LeBron's mouth is. He speaking out of now because a couple of days ago, we heard that he was taking credit for pulling off this upset which made him the goat as I call him the Foget. But that's that's his case that he was making that made him the greatest ever because he pulled off this upset. But now we see that he knew he had them on the ropes after six because they were cooked, mentally and physically and need I detail again, what that team had been through it gutted it out all the way home to win seventy three games. And they all admitted later Steve Kerr admitted it was a mistake. You took way too much mental and physical energy to do that. Then you fell behind three games to one to Oklahoma City and Oklahoma City was still a trouble basketball team between obviously Kevin Durant. Russell Westbrook and finally came apart in the crucial game which was game. Six. In their place, and they shot poorly. They combined to shoot one for thirteen from three and Klay. Thompson went off in that game and made eleven threes and scored forty one points and save their bacon, and they got back home, and then they had to grind out a defensively oriented sort of a football game against Oklahoma. They won ninety six to eighty eight in game seven. So they're they're on the ropes when they get to the NBA finals and to your point LeBron look lifeless to me in game four because they got outscored in the fourth quarter in his house twenty nine to twenty but a pivotal episode took place with two minutes and a half to go in that basketball game. And that was Draymond got into LeBron. He vocally loudly calls him the b word they go up the court. They get tangled up, and they most Bossie, I don't think it was a boss. The next letter was I. Oh, so and then they get tangled up and Draymond kicks him in the midsection. This is just craziness because this is your guts glue guy, and then KiKi Vandeweghe, and obviously the Commissioner stepped in and did something that I did not believe they would do they suspended a key player for the fifth game of the series back in Oakland. Obviously you get was warranted. I again, but I've never seen Commissioner in any sport. Do that. San Antonio suspended Robert days. Marist automall coming Robin. I'm talking about the fine. Oh. Yes. But but again, this is the the schooner decide championship of the world, and you take away dream on for game five and to me they were discombobulated. They are on fumes already and then once game five happened back in Oakland. Lebron happened and Kyrie happy because in the five six and seven he averaged thirty game and he made nine of seventeen threes. That's fifty three percent shot from the three point line. And he made all thirteen of his free throws over the last three games. So LeBron did have help lebrons. Great. I read was great. But they got help from tristen and game six he had fifteen points and sixteen rebounds and Kevin love ad fourteen rebounds in game seven so don't tell the point was the better team one. That's why I can't call that the greatest of because hey, look at what Steph has done in the postseason. Did he not come up small once again down the stretch of that the last three games Steph curry had? What was it seven, assists and wealth turnover? Seven last the last three games, he had seven assists and yori pointed out his numbers in the last game. He disappeared. Draymond finally came up bigger in game seven, but he wasn't Gooding games. Six five five. Yeah. Anyone there for five? And then clay was hit and miss and he was mostly missing game seven. So to me, I'll take LeBron James the best player on the planet and Kyrie and Kevin love and tristen. That's a better team than those guys worth. I will I will say that. And I'm sitting here before if we were at the park, and you put Steph curry Klay Thompson and Draymond green on one side. And LeBron kyri and love when other drew I'm taking the calf that's more. Now. Golden State had a better offense. They had better bench to hear exactly definitely a better bitch. But I'm with you. I mean, I think it was obviously a. Tremendous achievement for LeBron to win that. But yeah, that that they didn't have Kevin Durant. Like, you do it. Now we look into now. Now, you got it will help me understand this. I just wanna make sure I'm hearing this correctly. Now when LeBron led the Cavs back from three one the warriors were fragile. Were they fragile when they came back from three one against. Okay. See I think they okay see was fragile fragile. And how know they were. They were you want it out your book? What just what was about to happen? Well, he wanted to have to go to. Today when he got the three one or after he lost the three one win. Did he want? He wanted to play believe he's wanted out about three years before this, wink what you're saying. Look as greatest Kevin Durant is we got him. He is not proven that. He yet that he will lead a team to championship. He was a finals MVP, but that's a stat team. And Steph is Steph steam to your point that was his team. Yes. That was I don't know Russel's aides to go somewhere to take the Knicks to well. I'm just no I'm just saying I think what Shannon is saying. Is we compare Laurent and Durant? Lebron has proven even always had help. Obviously that he can lead a team his team to championships Durant has yet to prove that. And when he had his team, they faltered that's what the MVP Rosello pays to have another triple double season, so three straight. That's what Katie hair who is the primary decision maker. On that team. Those those thunder who was because he had the ball dribble. It up every time, and he got to decide I'm going to go solo here. I'll give you a Durant wasn't good those in either game, and they both they both trouble. They both faltered. They did you think LeBron keeps talking about twenty sixteen. It's all about everything. Whatever you want. Much covering his thank you for being here. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast on Jenny Taft. Join us again same time tomorrow morning, nine thirty eastern. See them. Of.
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Happy Friday and welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Alex Currie filling in for Jenny Taft on today's show will the eagles roll over the Cowboys on Sunday. Plus rob Parker stops by talk Dak Prescott and pay up on a bet with skip. And the warriors get exposed in their big loss to the bucks. Skip shannon. Let's get to it. Talk some more about those couch because they're a touchdown underdog in Philly against the four and four eagles. Dallas added Amari Cooper. But they still lost convincingly to the titans last week. Zeki Elliott express the urgency of a win yesterday. Saying Sunday this is quote one hundred percent a must win, Shannon. What's your prediction? Got the eagles. I like the eagles especially out the by. But don't underestimate the Cowboys. There are wounded team dangerous team. Yes. All you've said negatively how they're dangerous with this division game. Love lost between these two teams auto is not let they can look like. Well, we beat the titans and the titan be the Cowboys the tight both of family had a seventeen point lead. And the titans came back and beat them. Stop the Cowboys out. But the cowboy game was at Tennessee the Cowboys will play with a sense of urgency. They know they sure did on Monday. I think the thing is that because they were at home. They're play the Tennessee titans. Who are challenged offensively thirtieth in the league? They underestimated him walk into them represents. Yeah. Six games thirteen touchdowns. Two hundred sessions that's three to three more touchdowns and four interceptions. And somebody else, we know. But we're not talking about you, let your son wins hall of Famer he's already in. And guess what? I like get on there that new toy. They take golden Tate. So you don't have last time. He played the Cowboys. He whip over bug. I think what book thirty. So he'll be oh, he loved. He made him up at Gerry world barely over to Dak Zeke to overcome them up again into you pair him with Al Shaar and back earth. God. Skip. I'm sorry. My turn this game will get ugly quickly. This game will be silly thirty four. What's left of Dallas ten thirty four to ten. Don't eagles. Fly eagles fly. Stop by Dallas by what's about to happen. Good clothes. And by the way, the eagles are coming off a bye. That's another advantage. Philadelphia, Shannon Sharpe. What did I tell you on Tuesday morning after that debacle on Monday night? I told you that in all my years of rooting for the Dallas Cowboys that I had never been more deflated more disillusion more disgusted by an outcome than Monday nights. Under the circumstances. They were coming off the bye day. It added Amari Cooper, they had Tennessee on the ropes. It could have been twenty one to nothing Dallas, and they would have rocket launched to go win the NFC east. And that's mine. We're playing video you like that. Yeah. You kept why the white one? My kind of tanned cap with the cowboy what about that? Jumps. You got a cat. What us west? That's where I don't have. Yeah. You do. It's all I got. I got. Attach. T-shirt that the star on vastly rate a sword through sports and speaking of that star the turning point of the season the stomach turning point of the season came when back breast got made these single worst decision of his NFL career. And he said, I think I'll throw it to a Mari Cooper whose double-covered and has no hope of catching a pass because I do it to him like he was seven feet tall. And Kevin fire. Put it in his hip pocket. And what did he do Mr. sharp? He ran all the way to midfield and he stood on the star like Terrel Owens when he was a forty Niner and celebrated ours attract stars, he rubbed. It rubbed their nose right in it. And that was a point because Dallas did not respond to that in as Dangelo hall said the other day that he's convinced that Kevin buyer grand stretches sidelines and yelled everybody soft because they were soft on that night. I don't think there are softball team. But they were on that night. What did I also tell you what I couldn't figure out which was worse. Jack Prescott or the number one ranked Dallas defense which allowed the fewest points scored in the NFL going into the game and Marcus Mario who's not very good. When eleven for fourteen on third. Are you kidding? What are you doing that never done eleven for fourteen? Marcus mariota is not very good. But guess what? Are you doing wanna playoff game on the road? Okay. I give you down twenty one. Well, effectively won a playoff game on Monday night at Dallas. Because that just sunk my Cowboys that was huge that was a display by Mario guts in must've been play that play. Oh, he played. Well, he. The only bright spot was Amari Cooper did play in flashed occasionally, look pretty good. He caught five fifty quarterback. Maybe you got me on that one. I said although Dak was twenty one and thirty one for two forty three which is not all bad two touchdowns in interception. Not terrible terrible night except for those two decisions being careless with the football in the third quarter and fumbling be asking how many how many of those yards came on that final drive that. When it didn't get the ball with the game was already settle for me to the ball game today with ready to settle. They play four quarters. So I don't to forty three. You always say you can't even toe for two hundred. So he threw for elementary question. What are the averaging it just doesn't matter? I told you they're gonna lose thirty four to ten. Why are you trying to trying to beat on me when I'm just saying I up everybody trying to do. Nobody's trying to do anything. I'm telling you that that moment that Kevin Byron moment was the psychological turning-point for teen. That is now dead in the water, actually Gouges and throw it away. Yeah. Well on that. When you Alex you see what happens when both fans way second goal. But the other thing that should have happened was when the new receiver the number one receiver who can really fly when he's double covered. That means somebody's not covered. No problem. No, he thought he competed in their remember, that's what you want Iraj to do instead of throwing the ball away. He wanted him to feed him feed in there. So he thought he could be in. Are we talking about a quarterback who's three four and one three four and one who air Rogers? Are we talking about it was back who's five and six was as record Super Bowl? Rian five on the way to three and ten. Okay. I don't care. We're talking about Philly in Dallas. That's what I grew with you about golden Tate because he is just what the doctor ordered for that football team because he's got some that Philly blue-collar, spitting your I guy guy who take nothing off. Nobody you know, I like him for them. That's a good move. Do. I think he's better than Amari Cooper. I do not if I'm the Cowboys. I go out there and get interception with touchdown run to the middle of feeling scratch out of the eagles. And who's going to do that? Cowboy as your team who's doing you? Tell me you follow them closing who who that guy to do like that. They're psychologically dead in the water. You don't show up? You can't be letting that happen. I mean, I don't know where the captain's Zine on the offense. But you can't allow that to happen. You can't let a bad outing defined you. So he that Gad that you've been telling me skill for three years. He's that guy. Now, all of a sudden abet, he's psychologically damning this whole team is all team they Nolte that was maker break. No what that was must win. This is will lose from your do. They look down the scheduled. They're not stupid. They say Philly added Lanta, Washington New Orleans and then Philly again, Burs appraise them up. You gotta be meet. Yep. Yep. Fly eagles. Fly eagerly flies. Not me Cowboys coming. Yeah. Up. They're going to eat a bunch of flies. No, you don't eat by. Well, they will this order gobbling. Look, I mean, both got captaincies one of them. You learn have other one. I'm not so sure scared. I'm not so sure about that deer in headlights Carson wings. You. I see what am I on Monday night? Yeah. What about you a nice Carson Wentz won't have to be good this time? They'll just roll everything will be rioting running game. They're relying solely on Carson. Really? Yeah. Walk into who they run game. La- Gary blonston, Detroit, John he is injured. Yep. There's been out since week one supposed supposed to come back and get what happens firs their practice tweets half grade after he out again. So now what small would? Yeah, I like small would he runs hard runs big for small woods Marwood. And that's what they got been working out for a walk into them. We'll do what he does golden Tate alshon. Erz zodda. Are they going to our Dallas Dallas? Well, you should've got who should add him is going to be thirty to twenty four eagles or twenty four. You're you just gave Dak Prescott twenty four boys. Thirty hall of fame stuff twenty four I got twenty four point margin. So I'll say Dallas and Twenty-three. I'm do that case do come on. You got the eagles. You got golden tastes are golden. This is also a division game. This is also a rivalry game. It used to be deals. They're still in the same division. Band, turn twenty three. Wit. So you got Dougie peed the most fearless coaching football. What you call a young airless Jason Garrett. Thank you. You're making my case. He's talking about lame duck. Oh was he doing I literally I love this show that Pressburg dude right here? Yeah. Well. We got I do that every break. Hey, guys, Jenny Taft here. And before the show moves along. I wanted to talk to you about ZipRecruiter job sites that send you tons of the wrong resumes to sort through. That's not smart. But you know, what is smart going to recruit dot com slash undisputed to hire the right person. Ziprecruiter, doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. It's powerful matching. Technology scans thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job. And actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast. 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I would give them a c minus for his career. That's actually better than I thought, you know, see mine is because the first year he did very well. But it was shut up and skip you notice it was set up for him. He had a great offensive line. He had a great rookie running back who taught the league up. And then they didn't let them do. Too many crazy things with the ball just manage through the ball didn't cause a put himself into too many situations where we're gonna work out bad for him. Right. But we saw him expose year to once Zeki Elliott wasn't there for him was missing suspensions injuries. So all of a sudden you look in your looking for him to pull the team through in the offense. He couldn't do it. Couldn't do it can blame does. Brian was there and some other receivers white the death who led the league and drops what he was there. And so it was win. Right. And he still couldn't make new couldn't outrun Shannon age fifth. Could he do catch the ball though? Yes. He could do three yard. Is it right? As far that control it. A yards and initial ten touchdowns which is twenty second in the league. He he's averaging twenty ninth in the league team is twenty nine thousand yards passing yards per game. So when you look at it he looks to me like a really really probably good backup quarterback. And if I'm the Cowboys, I'm looking for a quarterback to be the leave franchise quarterback foot his team of my right or wrong. Not going to. Yes. Let me just because. Exactly they know about being on the spot, and they perform because you went over there. Right. But I just I just don't think when you look at it. And I know Jerry Jones had his reservations early on. And most of it was because of his love of Tony Romo. But in reality. He was right. Not to jump the gun. And crown this guy that guy because he did it with smoking mirrors early on. And you know, what's interesting the way, rob Parker. Bottom line said Dak Prescott is a backup quarterback. Go ahead, Shannon. Well, look, if we're grading on the four point scale, I give them a to average five point scale again, two point five great ABC. I give them a see that told you before because we did this topic early heedlessly skip. I mean, I wish I can give him something better than that. But I can't because he's been average if number says he's been average. And that's where he is all these things in like, rob said everything was perfect now. Everything isn't perfect. He might not be the reason they're losing. But he damn sure in the win reason they're winning. And that's a problem, especially when you want to invest twenty eight million dollars in the quarterback because that's what he's going to be asking for Jerry's already made it clear he's going to extend him where the going rate is somewhere between twenty five and thirty million dollars, maybe upward and shed. The thing you brought up about. You know being able to work through the bed Rogers and win a team. Not great era's. A perfect example not a good defense. And I'm not saying they wanna same level, but he works through not having those other things where that can do three four and one right now Aaron Rodgers. Caesar since is Super Bowl nine years ago. You can't defend their how about do you like this? I'm gonna let you take it from here. I think the Cowboys at this point would've loved to see that Prescott turn into wrote worser Wilson scarred of that as and it's turned into now. That's fair. Well, I never said that doc was better than Russell Wilson. 'cause I think he's really no I'm saying they would hope he would be then because okay, he his office lied. Remember, remember Russ was getting killed no running game B's Motta get left. Defense was starting to aid guy would being injured and Russ still filed someway to make them viable where they viable last year. What would they close yell? They're like us. About put that if I put a rustling that you ought to be in the playoffs. The Cowboys y'all playoff team. So for his career two and a half years. I give Dak Prescott a B O mothers too, high just to see why minus an ac- letter grabbed you got a month average. So I'm the first to admit as I said on Tuesday Dax inconsistency. This year is alarming for me. I don't like the way he's trending this year. Although this year he did throw a late clutch past Zeke Elliot to. Against the lions again. They just wiped out the patriots. It was the lion. Okay. But whatever you picked him to beat the patriots. I give you that. And this year Dak had a QBR of ninety five scale zero to one hundred against Jacksonville came in is the number one fence, and it was forty seven Dallas. So we've seen some highs and we've seen some low lows in the decision he made to try to force the Baltimore and double coverage in the end zone on second goal from the four yard line. The other night was simply the worst decision of his career the decision to not project the football mid third quarter when it was still fourteen all try to do too much and lose it back to the titans who then open the floodgates, and it went the other way to twenty eight to fourteen it was a terrible decision. He said to terrible fumbles this year. The other one was with five minutes left at Washington. He fumbled it in his own end zone. Trying to do too much. But then he was a warrior and he threw for one hundred twenty yards in the fourth quarter, which is not backup quarterback yards to bring them back and put them in position to tie the game with the field goal at. At Washington and go into overtime. I'm trying to figure out rob. You've been around put ball coveted for a number of years since nineteen eighty-seven company NFL thousand nineteen eighty-seven. I'm nineteen seventy four. So both you guy. So both you guys couldn't can this. How can if you're that guy? Do too much the Tom Brady do to. So let's ask that question of me. Thank you very much. I got this this year, Shannon Sharpe. The hall of Famer has told me they don't have any receivers who can separate. They have. No number one. They don't even have a number two Raver. This pre Amari Cooper who just played his aim Monday night. You've also told me the often of line is a shambles. It's been h shocking disappointment without Travis Frederick a Pro Bowl center lost. None is it was two years. Just shocking disappointment and easy Q L to me they hoped he would play his way into shape after playing zero snaps in the preseason. He looks outta shape to me, and he is a shell of what he was as a rookie is he that guy anymore. Do they have a tight end? Speaking of hall of fame tight ends. Monday night football. I thought it would they never throw him a pass. So I don't know what happened. He's outta sight outta mind. I thought Jeff Swain was pretty good. He's gone on IRR. And it's Blake jar win. This is all you got replace Blake. Jay how about this? Let me okay. You keep played a second. Scotland hand should be fired is the play. Jason Garrett should be fired as the head coach Jerry Jones should be fired about Robin, our another you'd imagine him. Okay. All those guys the defense was horrendous. No, the defense was even worse than back because Marcus mariota went eleven fourteen on third down. So he's up against all that this year after his first year he played the greatest rookie year quarterback I've ever seen in by the white last year at this moment one year ago. My Cowboys were five and three because Dak Prescott thrown sixteen touchdowns to only four interceptions. And he had outplayed Aaron Rodgers in Jared Goff and Alex Smith when Kansas City was flying high. Tell me that was a bad start to last year that's his sophomore year. But then. What happened right on schedule as they went to Atlanta, which would be Sunday year ago. Nosy he got suspended for six games. Thais myth. He was hurt. No, Sean Lee, he was hurt in everything fell complete. So what about this year though? Those guys Zeki is here. I mean, he's there you seem you've got to chins double. All right. Robert, you try to always go where he doesn't have a receiver. And you'll have that. He's got one receiver got one. Hey before we go here. I want to commit I got something really skip. I got something for you got some for me. Yes. And. And you know, what what it up here we go. Do you? Remember, the bet we had and we can watch the Clinton look at all the Michigan bet and Jim Harbaugh artist. She oh, he sees it. So let's let's take a look at the clip. We've got a clip you already know what's gonna happen. I give him you know, what I will be nice canape seventy five saving five seven five eight point three cases on new right now, you just went seven five eight four. What's us schedule? Go seven and five. Five seven and five. I got five losses. Thank you very much. Yeah. You got to. Thank you, five losses. If they finished with four losses or better. I win. This bet you win who who? Who who? What you know for rob? This is a cast. He'll be hey, you go to school. It'll. Because they're twenty. I will take it. Because the man across me owes me thirteen Chataway. Never see it. You got to pay up. Eventually we got Casey bit on the Cowboys not making the day. He ended Alabama history. Who will go win the Heisman? You all say skip. I did pay my word one person at this table always pays up. A billion dollar check. Brad. Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back. Now the Steelers in Panthers were both role in coming into last night's game. But Pittsburgh took it to another level last night. Big Ben threw five touchdown passes to five different receivers. Andy had just three incompletions during the game. The Steelers defense was all over Cam Newton with a pick six in the first quarter and five sacks. The Steelers have now won five straight and are looking up at the chiefs patriots. And chargers in the AFC take listen to big bend after the game. It's a good feeling to play good football team. I mean, we we know they're really good football team. And they came out and drove down the field and scored and we're like, all right? We're going to you know, what we expect to be a lot of points. And we did that defense they playing like their hair was on fire. And so it was a lot of fun for all parties involved, Shannon. How much of a shot? Do you give Pittsburgh to win the AFC? They're playing really well right now skill. But by any metrics any analytics the best they are the third best team in the AFC. I don't believe because I've seen Kansas City come to their building stop them out. Now, we have yet to see them beat the patriots in any locale. Now. Even if I say that the third best. Now, I'm disparaging the charges who's been equally as hot as the Pittsburgh Steelers. So by any stretch at best I can put him third. They might be fourth behind LA charges. But what we're seeing is not new last year in the middle of the season. Skip they one eight nine Rothe. I only mean my nose. I'm so good thing right now. Yeah. End up the end of twenty sixteen. They won seven in a row. Can you tell people at home how to India Alex alad disappointment? They lost saw. This means nothing to me. Now, they're gonna get an opportunity to prove whether or not they're better than the patriots. They play them in December. As I mentioned Kansas City has already come to their building paying on them. So we'll see. We I don't worry about their offense their offense as talented and explosive if any football big band is going to the hall of fame three five hundred yard passing games in his career. No other quarterback has more than one four perfect passer rating games. No of the quarterback can even come close to that aby. He's I said a bit receiver and all of football doodoo, Schuster, smudge, Smith's user, good number two receiver as you'll find it all the put ball. They got tired of McDonalds Jesse James James Connor is better than they thought. If anybody told you they thought James Connor would have done this. They take them in the first round. They didn't. Okay. But he's been unbelievable. There's a good chance lately. I was gonna come back if and when he does come back how much he plays gonna come down to the defense. I knew they were planning around last night. I mean, TJ watt new pre man aren't has rift your soul, his son Haywood get napping to it. They believe jobs. Get kind of mean anything what you do with them patriots. What you can do bad boys from New England box borough that bad quarter. Not so turn. I didn't ask you respond. I like rhetorical win. Anyway, I do not believe as we currently sit here and discuss this topping that better than Kansas City. I do not believe that they're better than New England. And if you really Super Bowl pig charges is equal to Seoul to equal to a best case scenario that can hope to be third. But if you really forced me to I would say probably right now the team in the AFC. Pretty well without your notes. But I think you need you. You're going to need your notes for our next discussion. Oh, really? This one, and I'm giving you this one because yesterday at the end of the show you did pick Pittsburgh to win this game. I gave Carolina shot because I thought they were rolling just as hot as it was. And that was an utter avalanche after he scored the first down Carolina wet right down the score. And it was seven nothing. Thanks to little Christian, McCaffrey. Wright played really with your man like father. You watched him grow grown all the way up all NFL, man. I am with you in general about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because I thought back to last year. I remember on a Thursday night. They beat the titans forty two seventeen because every once in a while it will just be a tour divorce force of Pittsburgh firepower, aerial circus. Because when Ben is on is is there anybody who can get hotter than he drink Mahomes has shown as things we haven't seen before. But over time when Ben gets hot, nobody can get hotter. With those weapons three five hundred passing your game. No the quarterback has more than one. Yes. Three of those. And I remember last year they went to the Texans and one thirty four to six on a Monday night. And yet they came into this game ninth in the NFL and point scored. Okay. So what after what you saw last night that the ninth best offense. No every once in a while. It's by far the first best offense, but it can be wildly inconsistent. Because that team at its core has been a troubled football team again James Connor had okay game. They didn't really need James our last night, but he did go into concussion protocol. So how's levian gonna play out? How's that going to impact? The psyche of this football team starting we assume next Tuesday is he coming is not is the I I don't know what's going to happen. How much does he play come into bench and how will the locker room except him after he's been thrown under eighteen buses and backed over twenty four times the offense of line? He knows everyone of the bus driver. Does he knows all the bus drivers? So what happened this year on opening day at? Cleveland been threw three interceptions and lost two fumbles. And they had six turnovers in in. They should've lost to the Browns. Right. Yes. And that was to tyrod that wasn't Baker Mayfield. As tyrod Taylor misfield. The, you know, the rest of the story so back to what you said. One year ago on December this year, the game's going to be played on December sixteenth but last year on December seventeenth, it was as usual. It seems like they scheduled this every year. Like, this is just what happens in the NFL. New England has to go play at Pittsburgh in in that game. It came down to the last play the game. And it was third and goal. And there was dissension over the call that was Todd Haley as the play caller for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember been kinda threw him under the bus after the game. Because he say they're yelling in my ear to spike it. And so what had been on that play? If we could see it. He fakes spiked it, and then he tried to jam it into ally to ally Rogers, why he li- Raja already know what he's doing with Rogers. And remember Eric Rowe who became the quote, unquote hero the patriots SuperBowl. Right. When he took over the job for Malcolm Butler, but he got a hand on the football and tipped it up and drawn arm. Intercepted it and that was in a couple of plays earlier. Jesse james? I thought he scored with. The ball. You didn't think he scored the ball? But it turned on those two plays. Right. And once again, we both sat back after the game and said that they just can't beat New England. They just it's psychological hurdle. They just cannot get over. So do you think they can get over it this year? This look like the team that could beat them more weapons skip. Again, they have weapons on offense. When they went to New England. It was their defense. It was the game was what thirty six seventeen but it really wasn't that close because they got a touchdown with like a couple of minutes to go again really women that close they lost last year in the divisional, forty five forty two forty five Tema physically that. So we're gonna find out they do not been last year against Jacksonville Saxon Ville, he does for four sixty nine five touchdowns with one interception, and they lose forty five to forty two. And I still don't know how it was Jacksonville. Rush for one hundred sixty four I don't know how they did it Blake Bortles through for two fourteen but it was forty five to forty two. Well, that's the Steelers like there's something sort of rotten to the core where they don't have like a toughness some sort of winning mentality that can get them through the tough every quarterback that they could possibly face the gutless you take Bill Riverview taking Blake Bortles take Tom Brady, taking Blake Bortles. You take him. Patrick, my homeboy taking Blake Bortles. That's what you up against every one of these opposite gap by power to go hang forty plus on your defense. So what happened in the Pittsburgh game? That one ternal was the different in the ball game. One team turned it over the other team didn't. So this. What you're up against you turn the ball over probably one of these teams you probably going to lose the game. So can they rush the passer the way they did last night because that was aleisha pass? They were all over Cam out. Don't care line with fans. It was they bought a ticket to watch the game. They were doing the jobs that ridiculous. I'd never seen like that in Cam hung in for a while. But they need a horrendous. You gotta get that back put again because what happens if you throw off your back the ball's gonna fail because he had Greg Olsen had him. Look like a tied in screens. He had Greg Olsen, but he throws off his back but ball sales in. That's what you're gonna get. If they rush the pass like that they have it opportunities. But I think that's more of an anomaly, then something that we're going to see on a normal occurrence. But we'll find out. That's the thing. I love about. That's what I love about pro sports that you get to prove it bit your resume. So what you did in two thousand sixteen seventeen is unimportant. Only thing that matters is twenty. Eighteen so we'll see we'll see. I'm still not buying. I just I'm not completely buying. I'm with you can lease a little the layaway combing got money right now too academic bat. You fin straddle more than I do you're like, well, maybe. Layaway might go back and do I might not. So you got this dealers. Layaway layaway really unless you put down like five dollars fifteen. Okay. Back in the day. You put it was. Yep. See role. Next at the patriots a big win against the Packers Sunday night in the fourth quarter. Tom Brady connected with Josh Gordon for fifty five yard touchdown that sealed the win during the play. Julian Edelman nearly jumped in the way of the Gordon catch Bill Belichick was Mike up during the game and ask Brady who the actual target was on the play. Take a listen to. The great John. What hold them to seventeen? Hard skin. Fellow you hurt. That hurts skill bailiffs. That hurts you. Okay. I have covered this league much longer than Shannon. Sharpe. Played in this league. I go back to the seventies covering the Los Angeles Rams in their first incarnation in Los Angeles right near here. In all my years. I have never seen anything like that. Because that is why Tom Brady said last off season to Jim gray in an interview nearby here in Santa Monica that they conducted when Jim gray asked him, do you feel appreciated by your organization, he said, I plead the fifth. So let's put this in perspective. Tom Brady the greatest quarterback ever had just thrown touchdown pass that broke the game open against Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers on Sunday night football, fifty five yards to Josh Gordon. Patriots thirty one to seventeen and as the greatest quarterback ever, the reigning in the trotted to the sidelines and passed his head coach his head coach did not congratulate him, he didn't I say, I don't know. Good job as most coaches would say to the greatest quarterback ever know, he turned Tom Brady and said who are you throwing that? Two interesting. So if Bill check wanted to actually ask that question the next day at the film's or maybe in the locker room after the game somewhere, you could Sidel over to Tom. Hey, just for the record. Who will you throwing that too? Because you asked the question is everybody because element jumped for the football. I do we was into so to gravitate he was storms. Josh, Josh, Cody. Okay. So now have you changed your stance? Aiming at Julian Elvis. Like, you didn't say that on Sunday. Did you over shot him? Not you didn't say that on Monday. We have more revisionist history on the show said he you agreed with me. No. He was thrown at digest. Because clearly was thorn aja need him right hand. What if he was going to go? And while we call it Bella take even asking that ever seen Tom Brady airmail receiver by by ten yards. I'm saying skip Bayless Julian element had any prayer of even getting fingertips on that. If you don't mind me ask you. So why don't when throwing the ball to the right? I why don't the receiver jump on the lift because the ball's not coming to them. Okay. He thought the ball with coming to him. Now, you've changed. It's okay. It's okay. So let's put this back in perspective. So in the heat about oil in the fork moment of this game. The head coach is asking a negative and skeptical question of the greatest quarterback ever into Brady's credit. He pauses and kind of leans in and says that was Josh. And then he continues onto the bench. But I guarantee Tom Brady's pretty shrewd operator. He sat down on the bench. And he thought I just did that. And I got that response on my head coach he did a little max he did it on accident. Listen, this is why this is such a troubled relationship because remember this Bill Belichick knew full. Well, he was Mike for this entire game. So he knows he's on all the time. And he knows because you don't talk about the shrewdest operator ever you want to go back to spy gate, if you will this guy is he's got some scoundrel in him. So they are still vying for credit because Bill Bill knew full, well, if he asked that question at that moment that it would disqualify the throw of the game by Tom Brady. Right. Because to you that disqualifies says. Join them hit it throw it a game. But that's another though we're not discussing that through. Okay. So and then we saw this also at the very end of the game. This is later, obviously as the final gun goes off Bill check turns to his coordinator. And he's congratulated him. And he says something to the effect of man holding them to seventeen that's hard. He is congratulating himself because we all we don't know who Brian floors is the new defensive coordinator, we just know that Bill Belichick coordinates the defend right? So he's affectively congratulating himself while he's miked up to say, hey world. I just held Aaron Rodgers to seventeen. So I deserve the most credit for what happened in not my quarterback because he wasn't even throwing Josh Gordon on the key touchdown pass the game. You do hear cooed? Bella. Check. Welcome bear Raja, then registered you graze. The not you the great. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure what else is he going to say to he's Mike, duh. Hold on. Hold on to say. You're the seventh bent. No, no. No, no. I guess what? He's get hold on. That's not what you say. Is when he said Aaron Rodgers was lobbying balls. That's not what you said the other day. So he's smoked truthfully. Now, he's lying. In the heat of the mall with heating get caught up in the heat of the moment. When Tom Brady walked by. Josh. Like that. I love because I told you that what it will. He he Li oh, please. I told you I told you. We was all I love it. You know what Alex all my life? Everybody said that's short. Boy. He he talk a lot my grandma. My grandma boy running my all the time. I reading Twitter too much. No, no. But you know, what you know what you don't hear. They say, Shannon, Sharpe talks a lot. But no one ever says he doesn't know what they told me about some people. They don't it. No better. You swear this game bobbling play. If I told you there's no way. Okay. Let's say this just hypothetically, let's say he was aiming at adamant do you still? Do you ask that question as he trots off the field? This is the greatest quarterback ever in the reigning MVP. You want the head coach to ask him that question in congratulations. Let me ask you throwing me. Well, you want to be right. Cannot need to know. Everybody needs to know. The Tom Brady's human. And is that skip is happily Bill. Check wants to know everybody to know that he's sub-human sometime. Skip quarterbacks. Throwing the ball. We've seen it. Now. Where guys throwing the ball in somebody to that? And catch it and there's a guy right behind him. He wasn't even kind of like last year, Alabama. He went for that ball to that Judy Judy slate and called the ball. That's give me the happen. Tom Brady's human sometimes it's better to be lucky than good right hands. You couldn't have walked at what? It any Julian elements jokes, then he turns around he looked baby. Why would you up Julian Edelman thought he was the hot receiver on the play? My point exactly. So he thinks the ball's coming to me the ball's coming. He's anticipating it's going to come to him. And at the last second. What did we hear from the Angelo hall? It's it's the play that beats that defense every time you throw it in the whole, right? You thought because the safety Germont Williams cannot get there in time. And if you get it they're hard enough and fast enough, it's going to be a big play if he misses and he completely to be one hundred percent minus Josh should hug the rail because the cover to safety is coming to take that away. So we want to be one hundred percent on Alex. Josh shouldn't be shouldn't be where he is. He should be wider. Will he's only been there for what? How to run it? I would the hot receiver. I I played the slot. And I'm normally the hot guy what that means is that I would bring my two guys call I would break my roundup John with pop hit me doesn't see banks thought. That's why he leaped. He thought the ball was supposed to come to him. Tom said, no, no, no, no. I got that one opens. It's just I told you just like the route tree on the Minnesota miracle thrown remember this, and what happened was the deepest receiver days and Marcus Williams. Swung and missed because the same play on the other side of the field. I ain't got no problem with it. That's all I'm saying and co-develop techno have give you ain't got no problem. Touchdown. We got a touchdown out of all you're doing all your thought about to just outta bad. Wow. This is no league is never seen anything like this relationship. This troubled isn't that it's why he said, I plead the fifth you get enough credit? Do they show the gym grass? Do they show the appropriate? Gratitude I plead the fifth said Tom Brady question on the first in the theme when he go check that account is something in their special. Okay. Eight no it's not special because he takes a hometown discount to play for the patriots. That's not special Bela's. You don't get the take a discount complain about the discount. You gave the team if you took it. I'm not complaining use brought it up. You said it's something special, and it's really not. It's not special by quarterback pay. It's blow address wisdom to do that. He's doing it. So they can win. Okay. Stop complaining about it. But Bella check was right code. Bella. Check verified validated me as being right? Always. Look. I love allegation. Don't we all like valley? He likes him saying that his quarterback seriously in the big picture vacuum in evacuate the head coach said it. Yeah. You got big problem with it. I'm sorry. You just. Thank you. Do you think maybe he's giving him that competitive edge any want is just kind of pushing the buttons? How can you push that? But easy. He did whatever. Oh, he came up top. He's like six four. He was dead of all knife all lean down code or you're doing about his tail win between lays doubt his. Gabi you Lord. He got all he shift towards Dow vote up. Josh. Maybe you need it. Yeah. We get to what Tom Brady is going to carry Bill Belichick to yet another champion. No. It's not going to do on that. I already I picked I. I got to do we already got doing? I'm only thirteen cases up. So I St. thirteen cases up if you don't give you any bet I pick carefully. The warriors lost their second game of the year last night getting blown out at home by the bucks, the Greek freak had twenty four points, including a highlight. Don't that shock Draymond green who missed the game? Steph curry only had ten points and didn't make a three pointer for the first time this season, but he had to leave in the third quarter with a leg injury. Steve Kerr said after the game that Cory will have an MIT today. And Steph added, quote, I'm not nervous, and we are joined by NBA champ and former buck Jason Terry. Jason how much stock do you put into this bucks win? Let me see. Here we go to the doc Magiet deck Jit Jones here. Okay, Nike is down. Starbucks down AT and T and apple are down. But what is the books are? And I'm gonna do what the books are up and tell you, I let me tell you what first of all they've bought in to coach Boone oser system, spray it around shared a ball running gun. They all do it. Everybody. John instant, for instance, never shot at three in his career this year. He's already made six of them. Okay. So they've really bought it. Like, you listen. Thinking my locker is still there, and they got me uniform ready digits in called me yet. But they got the Greek freak. He's playing at all time. I eat top five players in the league right now today. Do you disagree? No until the playoff start. And I'd like to see him win one playoff series in his career motivated. Well, this is the year. I'm gonna tell you. I'm telling you right now the way they are playing. And if you watched him last night they shot when is the last time one team has shot more threes than the goals. Good point five threes attempted last night. This the only made because defensive Milwaukee analyze look at the attempts. That means their pace of play is up one hundred one field goals attempts tempted last night, Steph curry and the boys eighty seven you think they were defending the three harder than most teams are able to add Oakland. They got length. Their length is giving him ability at all positions to defend three. And that's what you need against Golden State when you are using that switching defense that we all hate balance. Scorn scorn is what they also have four guys again with twenty points last night. And Chris Middleton should be an all star this year. First time in his career air glass, all the dynamic point guard that we've grown to love. Yup. Because of his competitive, fiery nature is playing whale. So. Mt. Ogden brogden rookie of the year two years ago. I've got one quick jet. We move on suggesting that coach booed and holders a little better than coach, Jason Kidd was just think coast Boone hills. They have body into this new running who doesn't like to shoot threes when you're big man can run out there at some feet brook. Lopez Johnson put this is just a month. For. Coach kid was this different style. When his new, okay. Yes, fun. I definitely think Jason kiss style of play is a winning formula for eighteen in this league. I know a lot of stock into it. I still got them behind the raptors. I know they beat the rapid book that without quite about lose money. So while quite often without qui-, don't worry about it. That's not for you to worry about. He's not spurred. Let him be without in Toronto this deal the baby down the until we get to the play. But anyway, the Celtics they're not better than the Celtics. Did you see the Celtics last night? That's a good question. Just was down a hunted at the head. Today losing teams always find. Saying you're at fiend. Down twenty two awfully into stop market. Be down by six hundred at one point. Where's that when it close? And better than they'll be Joel Embiid. Right. They are affiliate. I disagree with that. Also. So you man, you you you the foresee you going to be the foresee maybe third four C maybe in the eastern U C record right now. To have you seen the new arena home court advantage? You. Milwaukee. How many teams painting return? Have you seen go into oracle now minus Draymond green? Steph curry hurt any board. That'd be this Thurs. Let's look at the warriors. Now, let's let's look at them because they do have a little chink in Armagh. Right. If one or two or three right four go down. That's a problem on any team. But look at the bench. Pedestrian at best, right? On so McKinney coming in jacking up threes form, he's one for seven knows. Who is they don't have Shaun Livingston right now. He's right. We don't have son Andrei, you know, he's old as me and it takes him a while to give. You know, he'd be ready after all star. But after that, I mean, you just don't have a viable threat guy. Remember Draymond didn't play as Alex. That's a big deal. Now that is a big deal because they gave up one hundred thirty four point nine, but the books I'm telling you right now if you score one hundred thirty four points in the east only team that can beat them in east right now is Toronto because they're they're shooting at the same rate Boston. I like what you gossip issues you seem to. Disgruntled employee right now. So I got some willing and Dylan to do. Okay. No matter. So the achilles heel, obviously of the Golden State Warriors is they do live and die by the three point shot. A specially at home, and if you can catch them on a night where inexplicably Steph curry just some L wakes up on the wrong side of bed and goes for only four over four and helped me out with this. How does Klay Thompson only take two in the game and make both of those? And we just saw him last week score fifty two on fourteen a record fourteen three point shots. Well, how do you only take two for this game right to shows you how? He may fourteen to twenty four so to blown out at home and Kevin Durant took to last night made one. Well, so if you're big three go three for eight to eight what is that about? I don't know Draymond green factor. Let's let's be honest. The way distributes the ball and creates for those guys when he rebounds he gets out and transition, and he finds those guys right? Last night. You're seeing a lot of them having to go one on one. That's not Klay Thompson strength, Steph curry can do it. But he needs space. He needs a matchup with Milwaukee's length. He couldn't find that matchup last night. Let souls a dynamo. He's up in he's aggressive physical. When Yanna switched on them. He used his link got so that Milwaukee Bucks. Speaking of young, I just need to see more. That's all look, I get you got top-five capability. I get that capability. Five. No, you say that everybody just assumes that he's the only player in the league right now, averaging twenty five points ten plus rebounds, and five assists. Let it translate into winning one playoff series. And I'll be impressed because he's played now five this is sixth year in the league. You say it seems like he's still a baby we'll he still twenty three years of age. But this is six NBA season under him with him as the star of the team you have not won one playoff series. Well, I gotta see one. If you're that guy in the Eastern Conference. Why am riding this dot till it fall off issues? Be happy. Culebra limp where? Yeah, we definitely happy. But okay. The last two years we played Toronto and Boston in the playoff. They didn't go. Well, it didn't go will. I got. I got feel like this is the year though, y'all not being Toronto would a healthy Kawai, which you'll be healthy. Because that's what we get an in back to back. You don't play back to back y'all not beat me so deal hurt. Why? Leonard still got a Bruce by no seriously. We just missed all of. Yeah. He quit on the Spurs. And he still got a Bruce. What are you doing skit for vintage eight minutes what? And he misses the second backpacks and then randomly some game. Are integral. You don't drive it every day. No. So that's how he doesn't it out? So he saving himself for next year when he's afraid for the clippers. Just wait till the playoffs. And it'll come up big the key turning that on Toronto I told him good luck and good riddance to quiet, and what he did the night twenty five eleven and four when he decides he's really good last year. He didn't decide at all. He was he was not injured. He was cleared by the most conservative medical staff in all about all of sports. But midseason they said he is good to go get, you know, what's what he went. He went into date in today's sport, they make so much money, especially in the NBA, they have their own doctors. So he got that money. He went to own say shut it down. Shut it Dow 'cause he watching is the Tom. That's a cautionary nail. Tom was cost him two hundred million. He had a career threatening hip Inge that he tried to play it required surgery. Exactly five brew. Yeah. No Dow was't, you know, what I'm air on the side. Trying to is been just as impressive without Kawhi seriously. They have you saw. Did you see? No wick y Leonard this year. Did you see best games LeBron's team without Komano Baca with fifteen or fifteen year? What he's saying? What is that the Spurs at the most conservative team, not quiet road think about four or five time, but it was still in the playoff two years ago? Weren't they? Nothing. They did. Hold on revisionist history. From across the table as usual team was up twenty three in the third quarter of game. One at oracle in the Western Conference finals Zaza cheap shot. Okay. So he comes now. And what did coach say the next day? If we really needed him he could go, but he didn't go. They got swept what remember he didn't play game. Six remembers give me to play that game used it. So if he was hurt doing playing the he should arrested like to gay and what happened in game six against Houston a route happened with no quite lynyrd put that on James. I put that on James heart. Okay. They won't worry about the issue. He'll be he'll be healthy ready to go. Take these games off you play light. Probably in the garage. This is the new India, you do I'll play about half the games. I'll be ready. But then I'll give you about two thirds of the playoff fifty five long will be out with that doctor long. But like you said he's not worried about it because that's muscle injury. Anything that's ankle related related, obviously he'd be concerned. But he's like this is not the opposite thing down they'll tend to lose another game. But so the fifteen somebody else to win the championship this year. I am not thanking still like Golden State. Don't it. They can stop them with an injury. Right. And they had two of them last night. Right. I'm still up. You're still up on the book bird, maybe third. I might let. Three off come on out the buck stops there. Thank you. Thanks for listening to be undisputed podcast. I'm Alex Currie. 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