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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

05:47 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"And that's why i know that their Their publishing houses a storage shed in norcross georgia. Because i i tracked them down. And i went after the editor and turns out there actually in nigeria This is just a a a faux facade of and address here in georgia but my student wanted to withdraw the paper. And they wouldn't do it. They would not take it back and so when he wanted to send it to a legitimate journal. The legitimate journal wouldn't publish it because it was already published in a In a predatory journal And it was and to me. This was crossing a line. because it wasn't yet published in the predatory journal. It was only in the review process. And they said if you do not if you do not pay the publishing fee we will publish your paper. So they basically held his work for ransom that they would put it in a bad place that would destroy his reputation if it got there so these. These folks are real scumbags. His story was in the back of science magazine. If you look up dr ellen chambers. His story was actually written. Because as a as a cautionary tale for junior faculty to be extremely careful of where you choose to publish your work that's brutal. So appear review journal would publish an analysis of the situation but a peer reviewed journal would not publish his actual work. Eventually they did and you know all is well but it took some Persistence and you know. I had to get involved. Because i don't want him You know having trouble reputational. I can handle that What is this on my list right so you know everything else has been said so but the but the basic idea is just that these are really slimy operations that really misinformed the public. And that's the big problem you know you're smart enough to be able to check your sources but is somebody who is just thinking. They're perusing scholarly literature about kobe. Nineteen and finding information you know. The on one is obvious. But there's lots of other stuff out there that is raising the cackles of the public. That would never make it in a real journal. It really is tough. And they're good at disguising what they really are an end because some of these journals not all of them but some of them are indexed in academic resources so even in pubmed which is the federal government's database of peer reviewed journals and peer reviewed articles. You can find some of the scam literature in legitimate sources like that and they've even invented Like junk indexes because i mentioned impact factor earlier. There's ways that you can rate the quality of peer reviewed journal and so now they're even inventing their own scales and so it's getting really really difficult to to find it. So if you're just the average person in new google in origin of sars cov two you might get lost in finding one of these articles so it is a legitimate problem for sure well and some of the journals to make things worse are trying to change their ways. Or maybe they just were duped in the beginning into you know..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

02:52 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"It's basically saying that that That cartoon characters are spreading the disease and it was accepted for publication and it was written by by. Bruce wayne was one of the authors. Was the lead author in there. You go and so they they. They actually were able to get that published and then it was cited which is really hilarious. There's actually a quote that he includes from his his pure reviewed article so he says some would argue that editors cannot recognize. Poke on names like you just said kevin lines in the tax such as quote a journal publishing this paper does not practice pure view and must therefore be predatory or disinvited article a predatory journal. That likely does not practice. Peer review end quote would have tipped off anyone who bothered to read the articles. So he's writing in the story that this is bullsh- yes yeah he basically torpedoes zone thing right. And then what's so funny is even though the scott published. It was cited by physicist in tunisia. Who cited the poco article is one of the one of these things And that was published in the international journal of engineering research and technology so he cited the article and the made up references. Which which again shows that. There's absolutely no oversight. You know these are predatory journals that publish anything you said. It's incredible okay. So let's talk about how significant a problem. This is at one point. He makes which is encouraging is that academic institutions are wising up to this problem and so when they're looking at Cv's for possible Employment for people that want to work. There they're recognizing okay. We need to look out for publications in these bunk journals and over time. Hopefully and speak to this. Because you're an academic overtime that's going to minimize this. This problem will stop sending their articles so these journals knowing that it's not going to improve their reputation and i'm sure that most academics don't know which journals are predatory or not. It takes a lot of work like as a as a journalist. If i see a news article. I have to go. Check the reference and make sure. It's a legit journal that it has a real impact factor. Otherwise you know. I risk harming our reputation. So i think academics probably have that same incentive. Yeah it's really tough especially for junior faculty where the pressure to publish his extremely high and you get a solicitation that says you know the the east african journal of horticulture and we turn around your article twenty four hour review seven hundred and fifty dollar publishing costs and one of my former students actually got trapped in that..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

04:41 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"You know what i'm saying. So it would be weird in other words if bayer didn't have contacts at the epa because they have work together that's necessary so so and double check that promise you go. Check that out at the epa website. Because it's it's a ridiculous process but you're exactly right you you have to know the target. You're trying to hit and they're in regulation is not just a very standard series of tests. It's always a very specific Relationship that happens around the testing of a compound. The article also ends with a guy named peter dixon who is a member of the australian association of butch alone. I said that wrong. Yes the australian association of bush re generators. Which i think i need to be a member of that. Just be cool to have. The t shirt insert joke here But but but basically he. He throws caution to the wind. He i shouldn't say that either. He says understandably that there are dozens of chemicals around your house that can kill you. And he's right. You know your window cleaner your oven cleaner. You know gasoline whatever and you just got to use it the right way and he says that on different areas conservation areas around sydney that have experienced some ecological damage that they've used herbicides. For years to knockback something called balloon vine and trad and so balloon vine if you ever wonder we're balloons came from is invasive in australia and he says you just can't do it with mechanical methods and you have to keep the weeds at bay with the ugh life estate. Because if you do it enough and you keep knocking them back and you keep knocking back then. The plants that belong there can fill the gap and so it's it's a necessary tool for conservation and ecology. Okay so pok. Mon cova monster. Bruce wayne is apparently a now Predatory publishing so this article came from. The scientist was by Shalom and he uses a pen. Name to publish articles in predatory journals. Now just for what it's worth predatory journals are these journals that are it's he describes it basically very expensive blogs they are They sound like they're they're credible they have somebody contact you by email and say a deer esteemed dr full at my friends. Don't even call me esteemed and they'll say you know we. So much want to publish your your outstanding science work in the annals of gynecology and obstetrics and i get these all the time and and one of them even called a gynecological ecology get. Gosh that must be a wreck. This journal this journal sends. They asked me for solicitations and and Getting back to the story here. So that's predatory journals it really. They claim to be these. These very Internet like the the the Internationally international publishing houses. That are really just. Stay in apartment outside of dc or sixty four dollars a month storage unit. Norcross georgia seriously. They are or or an empty lot in suburban chicago. They have an address And they usually just one person who serves as an editor who agrees to publish your stuff if you pay him the money now see him or her. But i'm guessing this is mostly guys. But i don't see women being predatory publishers but there's my bias so the idea is that you basically pay somebody to to put your work in a fake journal. Well what What what this guy did. What shalom did was Published a paper in the american journal of biomedical science. Where he Where he said that a bat like pokemon creature spread over nineteen and the paper was called silage city covid. Nineteen outbreak leaked to zubac consumption. Now i don't know what pokemon stuff is really so it doesn't resonate with me but i get the idea..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

03:07 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"All right kevin so is glyphosate of deadly poison. Is it helping us preserve biodiversity. Yeah this is a really necessary article by graham read fern and it was written in the guardian a place which has written a lot of rather crackpot stuff on glyphosate stuff from erin brockovich that made claims that were just completely off off the radar not true But what's really interesting about about. Redfern's read ferns paper or his article is that he talks about the use of weed control as a tool of conservation. And you have invasive weeds all these Species that are threatening different ecosystems all over the world but particularly in his home country of australia and There's a lot of concerns that by taking away glyphosate. Which is what a lot of groups seek to do that. You're now opening up. The econ- the very sensitive ecosystems of australia to noxious weed invasion and no easy way to control and it's a really important Side of this argument that we really don't hear you know what's so interesting to me is that it really underscores that were in in life generally but in these with these agricultural issues. These aren't black or white. You know there. There's there's a spectrum if you will whatever decision you make is going to involve trade offs and it's it's ironic really because you have ostensibly environmental groups coming out against this weed killer and if anybody should be concerned about biodiversity them right so i. I don't know what to think of that. My cynical side says that they know that they don't care but at the same time maybe they just haven't thought through it the way You know someone more thoughtful commit like an ecologist would what do you think. Well i agree. And i think it's something that's even you know. This is a little bit tangential but they were building a big. They wanted to build a large solar farm right near my house here and they had a lot of pushback from environmental groups because it was going to be disrupting a natural area and also taking farmland out of agriculture and One of the compromises was. We'll let you do it if you don't use glyphosate and so this is really working very counter to their goal of protecting the environment. Because they think they're protecting it by limiting life sate. But now they're just gonna use a different herbicides. That'll have much much more impact and it's it it just goes to show how deep the roots of the fear campaigns have gone in really shaping. The environmentalists view a. What is a tool that can be used to promote environmental interests. They quotes an environmentalist. Her name's jan bremmer and it's an interesting story and it was great. 'cause they summarized all the evidence for why glyphosate probably doesn't cause cancer and then they quote this woman and she says but there's all these court cases and bears paying all this money. How can you ignore that evidence. And so i just wanna say as it has been said a million times already is that court..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

05:47 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"And dr peter does that is from echo health alliance. He is a very well recognized conservation. Biologists he leads key committees the national academies of science and medicine. He's had very highly cited papers. Three hundred different scientific papers. He's worked with The this is what's really interesting about this. He signed a thing in a paper record. Kind of a position paper with twenty seven other scientists back in february saying that all these conspiracy theories about kobe. Nineteen are crazy that the origin is not conspiratorial. It's not anything crazy. Looks like it came from a bat to person transmission. Us right to now. And they're conspiracy interests in their funders. They obtained records and emails from university of maryland. Communicating with dad's zak with one of the faculty at maryland and And they found out that dad sec. You're not gonna believe this. He got money from nih to study. Viruses that bastard. You can't believe a word. He says because his research was funded by the nih. And what's and this is. What's so funny about this. He they that they found out that he received an h..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

Science Facts & Fallacies

05:43 min | 5 months ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Facts & Fallacies

"Fulda professor who cares about science communication. This is the weekly show where we discussed the biggest stories from the genetic literacy project to keep you informed about groundbreaking developments from the worlds of science and medicine and of course help you separate facts from fallacies as you read the headlines everybody welcome back to the show cameron and kevin. Here is always kevin. What's going on happy post thanksgiving. Yeah we're on the other side of that holiday and then now in the home stretch of twenty twenty and it's been really great to get good feedback about this podcast. It's been really never lucien and glad that we're doing this every week. So thanks for doing this. Hey man it is my pleasure and yeah it does feel good to see people listening to it and responding to it even sometimes disagreeing with us always exciting on the less. Yeah but it's another thing to give. Thanks for right just in the spirit of the holiday. That people are turning to avenues of scientific information. Like this to learn more about what's happening and i think that's really cool and with that. Let's jump in to some more science stories and keep people getting into science. So i up Biotechnology gave us a cova vaccine. Could that end the gm movement next glyphosate deadly poison or diversity. Protection tool environmentalists are split over the question surprisingly and finally and this may be the greatest headline ever written scourge of pay for play predatory journals american journal of biomedical science and research publishes on satire on kovic with bruce wayne quote from gotham forensics quarterly. So we're going to get into what all that means and what it means for the pure view process these days all these predatory journals so i step kevin. Is this vaccine going to blow up the anti gmo movement. Well according to the author. Alex barroso He's with american council on science. And help ya This is really putting a lot of people into a very precarious position because we've seen all of these organizations rally against genetic engineering and its use in agriculture and there's been so much aggressive attack on on the technology and the people who tell the truth about science well. It turns out that a lot of the organizations involved. Like one of my favorites. Us tk they're they're funded by organic consumers association and other groups that are really against modern technology and modern technology is not just the thing in crops it is now a thing that will likely and a global pandemic and so the genetic engineering used to create the new vaccines the actually all most of the new vaccines of this are on their Target a little bit. I mean these are on their radar and what i thought was really funny about all of this is that you've seen.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Nature Podcast

Nature Podcast

05:04 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Nature Podcast

"Illnesses that we see in people were listeners as always go to the website national com slash news for all the latest on the corona virus outbreak. For a second story. Though we're looking at here review in predatory journals and Richard before we get into that what exactly is a predatory journal said predatory journals are journals that basically publish any manuscript you send them because they want to collect the author fees and they don't provide quality checks. They might provide long term archiving in other words. They'RE PREYING ON ACADEMIA. That's a very informal term and actually defining whether a journal is predatory or merely under source and low quality is extremely difficult. But the key thing is that the predatory Janis is usually quite deceptive or non transparent about what it's doing so as you say the no always conducting these quality check so it seemed almost surprising that that is an out of peer review is going on here. Apparently there is and this story is about hundreds of academics who say that they are doing pay reviews for predatory journals and this was discovered by people looking at a website coupons where scientists composed records of their peer review and this may sound surprising because y with the Predatory Journal. Even ask for purview in the first place well one suggestion is that this might be kind of figleaf. They're kind of doing it to pretend they're during review another suggestion is that perhaps these predatory journals where reviews taking place might be mis classified and here we get into the question of what is such a journal. This study looked journals. Called Predatory on a blacklist made by firm called Kabul's and cowbells says that it caused journals predatory for holistic deceptive practices like not being transparent about who the editors things like that so just possible that a journal. Could doing peer review? But still be cold predatory on this list and in fact ten percents at least of the journals on this list do appear to be doing peer review according to what's being said on his website at least so what might be the harm than in these journals conducting this or pay review. Well the potential harm is really a huge waste of time for the scientists who are presumably. Doing these reviews now. It should be said that we very much about what's going on here because these reviews ruled totted up by an algorithm that was working off this list of journals looking at the website and counting up our their reviews being claimed for these journals. But the study doesn't talk about which journals they are. It doesn't talk about who the individuals are so we don't know for sure the contents of the reviews or whether the individuals spent much time on the Trevi's or even whether the reviews happened all day. Pablo says it does verify that claimed vs did actually happen usually asking for emails from authors or from editors now I actually looked at the site and I actually emailed some of these people who said that they were doing reviews and I did get some replies. Back one researcher in Germany said yes I did review for a predatory journal and they completely ignored my review but then he said well you know that that does happen sometimes with established journals as well to be fair another person in Cambridge. Uk said. I thought I was going to improve the quality of the papers because I saw these papers not very good but again everything I said was ignored so now. I'm not going to do anymore. So there is a kind of question about all these academics being tricked or what actually was found about these academic was that many of them are inexperienced haven't published much younger and they are often from countries in Africa or the Middle East. According to the study so another suggestion is that these academics think that just by reviewing for as many titles as possible will bolster that academic credentials. Because you can point to your own a pair of hearing activity and say reviewed for loads of journals so until they actually look at the reviews themselves or they contact you academics. One by one. It's not entirely clear. What's going on but the Study Authors D say? This is a colossal waste of time and funders and institutes should tell people. Thank you think about not publishing in journals. Also think about not reviewing for them as well well listeners to read more about this head to Nashville com slash news. And that's where you find all the latest on corona virus as well so it's left is to thank both of my guests nation. Richard thank you both. Thanks thank you very much. And that's a wrap for another show but if you're interested to see as well as hear more about that tiny bud trapped number then. Don't forget to check out the video made by yours truly over at YouTube dot com slash nature video channel. I'm Shami Bundle on. I'm the cow. See you next time..

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

06:47 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

"The confusion between the open access publishing movement and predatory journals is perhaps for another edition of the show. It's controversial you say. Both charge authors to publish their pipers. Instead of slugging raiders all subscribe as with phase so the open access argument for that is that opens up scientific knowledge. Like never before I phrase it up from behind traditional gentle pie walls but some believe these author pies model creates inherent conflict of interest and that predatory traded treat publishes of taking advantage of that in order to build prophets and taking advantage of scientists to who had desperate to get published in the publish. This you'll perish culture of science. Some of them are taking up the offer because they're being tricked by the predatory publishers. And that's why I use the term predatory because they're preying on them. They're they're preying on their weaknesses that people need to get published so people are earning degrees. People are getting promotions at universities. People people earning tenure in some cases based on a publications in low quality fake predatory journals that don't conduct any peer review and have have almost no settling at all they accept everything and we've also learned that Pharmaceutical companies are publishing their research to justify the the efficacy of their new medicines are using predatory journals to do that as well. What do you think the key drivers of the predatory journal Sane has been? It's easy easy money. As Jeffrey bills blacklist of predatory journals grew in influence as did. His reputation publishes publishes and others pushed back angrily at him at his criteria for inclusion on the least at his lone ranger approach at his singular antagonism some of open access publishing some went straight to his universities ladyship to attack his credibility and he became a kind of hybrid of hero in. I'm Tara how did his university respond for the most part for the first few years they were supportive of me and the legal office did help me. It is some tricky situations you know that I had gotten in because of the threats from the publishers but towards the end I think they grew weary of me a and the support decreased. Did you ever receive pressure to shutdown. You'll blog from your university. I received a pressure but it wasn't pressure to shut shut down the blog. Things became increasingly uncomfortable towards the end before I retired I retired a year ago. Did it become uncomfortable. The university he did that some things I used to have an office and they took me out of an office and put me into a cubicle. They hired a new person to work in the library. He had two years of library experience and they made him be my supervisor. And you know part of Predatory publishing there's a broader context to it. There's a social movement behind open access publishing. A lot of people want to kill off the traditional publishers and had them all replaced with open access journals so that everybody throughout the world connects us all published research and it's a very Left wing social movement. And so the person that came in as my supervisor was among among those people and so we had strikingly kingly different ideologies about scholarly publishing so. That was way that they were pressured. Me Why did you shut down bills least in in. I think it was two thousand seventeen. Taint it has reincarnated with anonymous editors in some sense to protect themselves from what you went through. But why did you decide to shut it down. Well in January worry of that year I learned that the university was working with one of the publishers on my list and the results of that was that the university initiated a research. I misconduct investigation against me and I knew I hadn't engaged any research. Misconduct myself because research misconduct means means of falsification fabrication or plagiarism. By definition and I knew I hadn't done any of that yet they started this case against me and I felt very stigmatized pies by it and that kind of sealed it for me with the university I take another action against me and now here was something major. A research misconduct case. And that's why I decided to stop the list. What was the outcome of that case the outcome in July of twenty seventeen was snow? Research misconduct found that. Make you feel it made me feel horrible. I felt like my own university that I worked at for seventeen years. I was turning against me and I felt stigmatized and I felt like I really can continue the work. And that's why I shut down the blog and the lists you. I think that was a trigger for that action. Sure it was the publisher that they worked with was a big one and the predatory Tori publishers. The ones that are doing really well are rich. They have lots and lots of money. They can hire lawyers to go after people and they can organiz well. And there are several very large very successful predatory publishers out there and and they have a lot of power and they. We'll go after anybody who threatens their income was that publisher the publisher was frontiers. So you'd assist them to be a predatory publisher and yeah and I had lots of evidence from stuff that they had published. They published an article about Chem trails in the Sky Cam conspiracy theory yeah. They published an article about that which they quickly retracted. After I wrote a blog post about it. They they published an article saying that. HIV doesn't cause AIDS. So I had lots of lots of solid evidence that they weren't really conducting Valla Peer Review. I mean that's bad science. It's not necessarily making them and predatory publisher plenty of crap lanes in good journals But it gets gets retracted and publishing junk. Science is one of the criteria that I use to evaluate publishers. I mean you're if you submit at an article to a publisher thinking it's good publisher when they're publishing crap science poor science that is a type of predation against honest researchers. They don't want to be associated shared with junk science a spokesperson for the University of Colorado Denver. Where Jeffrey held a tenured faculty position would not comment on any research misconduct misconduct investigation but tolls friction that the university quote defended and supported Professor Bills Academic Freedom to pursue predatory publishing as part of? He's scholarship.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

09:54 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

"This is an ABC podcast Sir. Science Fiction Hey on the Tesha Mitchell. Welcome search this week. The pursuit of a Predator as a reporter. You you get all kinds of of little suggestions. Tips complaints yes. And you can't deal with them all. This one intrigued me. I had started to hear about similar complaints and sort of once. You hear enough of of them. The signal adds up. You think. Maybe there's a story here. What was I seeing? What what the clues that? That major smell a rash. I was a researcher myself. I was a faculty librarian at my university and I did a research probably starting five six years ago I I was always looking for publishing opportunities. I started getting letters and I started to receive these emails. Sort of saying extremely nice. Nice things to me that basically said call for Paper Journal Editors Wanting Me To submit my manuscript to their journal and they had lots of grammatical errors in addition to that one in the emails and then generally speaking editor. I don't say very nice things about you and they don't typically they don't write to you and ask you to submit a manuscript. Will you ever tempted to submit. No no I mean I'm a clinical epidemiology in some of these journals were literally from Soil Science Right. Why would somebody from soil science be asking me and saying Nice things about me? They wouldn't no me from anywhere he's smell. I did maybe several but that rash or several thousand rats via now well and truly on the loose predatory publishes and the predatory journals have become a mega industry global in reach ending ending destructive potential. In fact you're going to hear from someone who believes that this industry represents the biggest threat to science since the inquisition Shen the. US Federal Court recently ordered one of the biggest of these companies to pay up over fifty million US dollars. Only international headquartered voted in Hyderabad in India but also operating in the US claims to publish hundreds of scientific and medical journals. It was found to employ deceptive business practices essentially entrapping scientists to other publishing their journals or participate in conferences. So does the ruling site. bye-bye predatory publishes. Well let's see if Any of that money actually moves anywhere. It's not clear with a mix ex-group will cough up that fifty million dollars which is an estimate of how much the company made from customers over a six-year period or whether it will appeal. We sent a list list of questions to its representatives but yet to receive a reply but it is nice clear message to all the Sake Journal. Publishers of the world that they're being watched touched and there could be consequences. John Bohannon a science journalist and now director of science at an artificial intelligence startup in San Fran called primer. They didn't basically slipping under the radar and using American Canadian and European banks to move money millions of dollars of money from elicit gains. So this court ruling basically makes extremely inconvenient to do now. Joan was asked to present evidence in the case brought against the annex group by the US Federal Trade Commission because he'd had an unusually Hansa with the publisher so mix was one of hundreds of publishers offers. That I tested in sting operation. I wrote some computer code to generate thousands of very bad scientific papers. And what happened next these kind of legendary in science circles back in two thousand twelve John was reporting for the Journal. Science and the expression expression predatory journals wasn't in common news There was a guy named Jeffrey. You who was probably the only person around making a big stink about this and trying to actually Shine a light on it. It was very very bold effort. He had something called feels list or at least it became known as beal's list. My name is Jeffrey Bill. And I'm a retired academic librarian from the University of Colorado Denver professor. Beal beal's blacklist fame and a climb and Notaro He was the first to coin. The phrase predatory journals the Journal. Publishers hated being malysz because it stigmatizes them and meant that their income was decreased. Most of the predatory publishers are predatory not only in their publishing but in just the way they operate in general and they would use the heckler's actors veto. They would call the library director and complain about me and they would try to annoy people at my university as much as possible in order to manipulate those people at the university to make me stop the list so that their complaints would stop. I also received several threats of legal action including think it was in twenty twelve international threatened to sue me for one billion dollars one billion dollars. It was just a threat what I learned from it is that you can basically basically pay an attorney five hundred dollars in all right a threatening letter so they they did that but they never followed through with. It was never introduced in any court personal consequences consequences for Jeffrey of running. That black least were immense. And I'll come back to that. One estimate suggests that there are at least eight thousand predatory journals. This is just one publisher of many. But Jeffrey Bill provocatively calls it. The Evil Empire of Predatory Publishing I stand Dan by that statement and what they do is. They've really hurt a lot of people. You know the scholarly publishing system works on the honor system and people operate in good faith but oh mix international has has totally broken all that down. They use a lot of spamming to solicit article manuscripts from researchers they have journal titles that match the titles of respected journals. Usually one word off enough to confuse people that might be the respected journal in the `field they will at People's names to their editorial boards without the person's permission people from top universities top researchers in the field and they'll use their identity to promote the journal and when the person finds out about it and ask them to remove their name. They don't remove it they just leave it there because they're operating operating from foreign country. There's really nothing you can do about it and especially prey on young researchers in emerging researchers researchers who don't speak English as their first language it's not just scientists from developing countries that are targeted although that easing acknowledged problem clinical epidemiologist. David Mo- assays the crosses reaches into some of America's most delayed institutions including Harvard in an analysis that we did where we looked at a close to two thousand thousand articles published in Predator journals. We found that actually the most frequent corresponding authors were from what we would call first. World countries countries would lots of money and lots of resources that is troubling very very troubling because it suggests that at these institutions authors may not Be Aware of predatory journals and we need to obviously ramp up some educational activities. People think that they're sending the manuscript to a legitimate respected journal. When it's really just a phony dough mix international journal and then they quickly accept the paper without any peer review and then send them an invoice and at that point the authors realized that something is wrong because There was really no peer reviewed done yet. The papers accepted and they have this two thousand dollars invoice that comes through email and the olmecs demanding payment. Most of them asked to withdraw the paper when they realized that they've been duped. But then oh mix says has you can't withdraw your paper unless you pay US withdrawal fee. An often than olmecs will publish the article quickly and one of their journals and then and they can't submit it anywhere else. Because that would be duplicate submission it would be publishing the same article twice. which is something not supposed to do that? Nothing about predatory regionals. He's what he's supposed to happening science as John Bowen discovered when he sent them a taste. Yes yeah so I just wanted some data. It's frustrating to have such an enticing story of you know bad actors that Potentially Ricky and millions of ill gotten dollars dollars and not get some data to find out if it's true so we appear stay in molecular biology from Oxford oppy slave. He plotted an experiment which was pretty straightforward. And the idea in a nutshell is if I submit a really and I mean truly bad scientific paper to your journal title and you accept it with no sign of any peer review and you ask me for money then you're you're a fake journal publisher. Yeah John Wanted to test how easy it was to get published in a predatory journal it can usually take many months years even to get a pipe into a reputable scientific journal. And even then it's not a given. That's partly because of what's called Peer Review essential to the scientific process. So you do an experiment. You brought it up reporting your results. Submitted to a journal and then it gets pulled to shreds.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

06:49 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

"The confusion between the open active publishing movement and predatory journals eased perhaps for another edition of the show it controversial you both charge authors to publish their pipers. Instead of plugging raiders subscribe with phase. So the open access document for that. Is that opened up on knowledge like never before afraid that up from behind traditional general pie walls but come believe the orthopedic model creates an inherent conflict of interest and that prey traded tree publishes of taking advantage of that in order to build prophet and the taking advantage of gone to who are desperate to get published in the publish. This you'll perish culture at dying. Some of them are taking up the offer because they're being tricked by the predatory publishers. And that's why I use the term predatory because they're preying on them. They're they're preying on their weaknesses that people need to get published so people are earning degrees. People are getting promotions at universities. People people are earning tenure. In some cases based on a publications in low quality fake predatory journals that don't conduct any peer review and have almost no settling at all they accept everything and we've also learned that Pharmaceutical companies are publishing their research to justify the the efficacy of their new medicines are using predatory journals to do that as well. What do you think the K.? Drive is of the predatory journal Sane has been. It's easy easy money. Jeffrey Built Blackley to all of predatory journals grew in influence as did his reputation. Publish publishes the now the push back angrily at him at criteria for inclusion on the lease at Lone ranger approach at he denora antagonism them of open active publishing some went straight to he'd universities Ladyship to attack your credibility and he became a kind of hybrid of hero in. I'm Tara how did he university respond for the most part for the first few years they were supportive of me and the legal office did help me. Could I have some tricky situations you know that. I had gotten in because of the threats from the publishers but towards the end I think they grew weary of me A.. And the support decreased. Dav receive pressure to shut Daniel blog from your university. I received the pressure but it wasn't pressure to shut shut down the blog. Things became increasingly uncomfortable towards the end before I retired I retired a year ago. Did it become uncomfortable. The university he did that some things I used to have an office and they took me out of an office and put me into a cubicle. They hired a new person to work in the library. He had two years of library experience and they made him be my supervisor. And you know part of Predatory publishing there's a broader context to it. There's a social movement behind open access publishing. A lot of people want to kill off the traditional publishers and had them all replaced with open access journals so that everybody throughout the world connects us all published research and it's a very Left wing social movement. And so the person that came in as my supervisor was among among those people and so we had strikingly kingly different ideologies about scholarly publishing. So that was way a pressured. Me Why did you. Shutdown bills leaked in in two thousand seventeen taint it has reincarnated with anonymous editors income since to protect themselves from what you went through. But why did you decide to shut it down. Well in January array of that year. I learned that the university was working with one of the publishers on my list and the results of that was that the university initiated a research. I misconduct investigation against me and I knew I hadn't engaged any research. Misconduct myself because research misconduct means means of falsification fabrication or plagiarism. By definition and I knew I hadn't done any of that yet they started this case against me and I felt very stigmatized passed by it and that kind of sealed it for me with the university. I you know take another action against me and now here was something major research misconduct case. And that's why I decided to stop the list. What was the outcome of that case the outcome in July of twenty seventeen was snow? Research misconduct found at that. Make you feel it made me feel horrible. I felt like my own university that I worked at for seventeen years. I was turning against me and I felt stigmatized and I felt like I really can continue the work. And that's why I shut down the blog and the lists you you think that builds leaked with attributes of that action. Sure it was a publisher that they worked with was a big one and the predatory Tori publishers. The ones that are doing really well are rich. They have lots and lots of money. They can hire lawyers to go after people and they can organiz well. And there are several very large very successful predatory publishers out there and and they have a lot of power and they we'll go after anybody who threatens their income publisher the publisher was frontiers. So you just ask them to be predatory publisher. Yeah Yeah and I had lots of evidence from stuff that they had published. They published an article about Chem trails in the Sky Cam conspiracy theory yeah. They published an article about that which they quickly retracted. After I wrote a blog post about it. They they published an article saying that. HIV doesn't cause AIDS. So I had lots of lots of solid evidence that they weren't really conducting Valla Peer Review Diet. It's not necessarily making them a predatory publish plenty of crap lanes up in good journals But it gets gets retracted and publishing junk. Science is one of the criteria that I use to evaluate publishers if you submit in an article to a publisher thinking it's good publisher when they're publishing crap science poor science that is a type of predation against on researchers. They don't want to be associated shared with junk science. And for the University of Colorado Dame Vera. Where Jeffrey held a tenured faculty position would not comment on any research? Misconduct misconduct investigation but told not friction that the university quote defended and supported perfect to build academic freedom to do predatory publishing part of scholarship..

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The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

Science Friction

06:42 min | 1 year ago

The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

"The confusion between the open active publishing movement and predatory journals eased perhaps for another edition of the show it controversial you both charge authors to publish their pipers. Instead of plugging raiders subscribe with phase. So the open access document for that. Is that opened up on knowledge like never before afraid that up from behind traditional general pie walls but come believe the orthopedic model creates an inherent conflict of interest and that prey traded tree publishes of taking advantage of that in order to build prophet and the taking advantage of gone to who are desperate to get published in the publish. This you'll perish culture at dying. Some of them are taking up the offer because they're being tricked by the predatory publishers. And that's why I use the term predatory because they're preying on them. They're they're preying on their weaknesses that people need to get published so people are earning degrees. People are getting promotions at universities. People people are earning tenure. In some cases based on a publications in low quality fake predatory journals that don't conduct any peer review and have almost no settling at all they accept everything and we've also learned that Pharmaceutical companies are publishing their research to justify the the efficacy of their new medicines are using predatory journals to do that as well. What do you think the K.? Drive is of the predatory journal Sane has been. It's easy easy money. Jeffrey Built Blackley to all of predatory journals grew in influence as did his reputation. Publish publishes the now the push back angrily at him at criteria for inclusion on the lease at Lone ranger approach at he denora antagonism them of open active publishing some went straight to he'd universities Ladyship to attack your credibility and he became a kind of hybrid of hero in. I'm Tara how did he university respond for the most part for the first few years they were supportive of me and the legal office did help me. Could I have some tricky situations you know that. I had gotten in because of the threats from the publishers but towards the end I think they grew weary of me A.. And the support decreased. Dav receive pressure to shut Daniel blog from your university. I received the pressure but it wasn't pressure to shut shut down the blog. Things became increasingly uncomfortable towards the end before I retired I retired a year ago. Did it become uncomfortable. The university he did that some things I used to have an office and they took me out of an office and put me into a cubicle. They hired a new person to work in the library. He had two years of library experience and they made him be my supervisor. And you know part of Predatory publishing there's a broader context to it. There's a social movement behind open access publishing. A lot of people want to kill off the traditional publishers and had them all replaced with open access journals so that everybody throughout the world connects us all published research and it's a very Left wing social movement. And so the person that came in as my supervisor was among among those people and so we had strikingly kingly different ideologies about scholarly publishing. So that was way a pressured. Me Why did you. Shutdown bills leaked in in two thousand seventeen taint it has reincarnated with anonymous editors income since to protect themselves from what you went through. But why did you decide to shut it down. Well in January array of that year. I learned that the university was working with one of the publishers on my list and the results of that was that the university initiated a research. I misconduct investigation against me and I knew I hadn't engaged any research. Misconduct myself because research misconduct means means of falsification fabrication or plagiarism. By definition and I knew I hadn't done any of that yet they started this case against me and I felt very stigmatized passed by it and that kind of sealed it for me with the university. I you know take another action against me and now here was something major research misconduct case. And that's why I decided to stop the list. What was the outcome of that case the outcome in July of twenty seventeen was snow? Research misconduct found at that. Make you feel it made me feel horrible. I felt like my own university that I worked at for seventeen years. I was turning against me and I felt stigmatized and I felt like I really can continue the work. And that's why I shut down the blog and the lists you you think that builds leaked with attributes of that action. Sure it was a publisher that they worked with was a big one and the predatory Tori publishers. The ones that are doing really well are rich. They have lots and lots of money. They can hire lawyers to go after people and they can organiz well. And there are several very large very successful predatory publishers out there and and they have a lot of power and they we'll go after anybody who threatens their income publisher the publisher was frontiers. So you just ask them to be predatory publisher. Yeah Yeah and I had lots of evidence from stuff that they had published. They published an article about Chem trails in the Sky Cam conspiracy theory yeah. They published an article about that which they quickly retracted. After I wrote a blog post about it. They they published an article saying that. HIV doesn't cause AIDS. So I had lots of lots of solid evidence that they weren't really conducting Valla Peer Review Diet. It's not necessarily making them a predatory publish plenty of crap lanes up in good journals But it gets gets retracted and publishing junk. Science is one of the criteria that I use to evaluate publishers if you submit in an article to a publisher thinking it's good publisher when they're publishing crap science poor science that is a type of predation against on researchers. They don't want to be associated shared with junk science. And for the University of Colorado Dame Vera. Where Jeffrey held a tenured faculty position would not comment on any research? Misconduct misconduct investigation but told not friction that the university quote defended and supported perfect to build academic freedom to do predatory publishing part of scholarship.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

Science Friction

06:07 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Science Friction

"You don three. IB Theory and with main attaches Mitchell. We're looking at predatory publishes and the threat. They poke dawn. Goal is sheep in truth so back took don gentlest John by Hannah. And he's Sting Operation Own Predatory Journal mm-hmm. You wrote a psych paper in fact you you actually wrote a computer program to write hundreds of pipers. Yeah actually it spat out thousands. I ended up only needing hundreds. He's computer program changed the authors affiliations chemicals Chantelle and other ingredients fairmont but funding was pretty much time and the world potentially will changing. Yeah it was a thrill Cuba Canada. John I was basically claiming that this chemical that I found in this little lichens little plant plant like creature was able to kill cancer. Cells in solution. So you know in principle you could inject this stuff into your blood like you. Doing chemotherapy be and it would hopefully kill off the cancer cells and I had these very impressed with charts showing the results very impressive. Yeah it fights value the pipe hypoc standard convicting but they will all dated with glaring eras. And this would take literally one minute just one glance really of any reasonable title science. Who was doing peer review of this paper you just look at the numbers representing this charts and they just make no sense at all? Just don't make any sense and the design if the experiment that was fatally flawed too. I mean these are the kind of mistakes that high school stupid make like these. This isn't even college mistakes. This is just like the biggest most most embarrassing scientific mistake imagine. This isn't subtle stuff and then John Wind even I just wanted to like bring it to the next level so at the into the paper I have the authors say that you know. The next thing we're going to do is test. This humans which to any reviewer should be the biggest red flag I mean aside from the fact the science it looks like completely junk. That's just completely unethical. Then he targeted general predatory including two run by tape one cold medicinal chemistry another biology amid the eight-month he admitted ten pipers awake and what happened. Next is incredible incredible. Any reasonable publisher should have looked at that paper and said not in no way on that publishing this a lot of journals. Dd Yes it gives us the very murray doc stats well. The darkest of dark stats is that sixty percent of the publishers accepted. My article did any any of those sixty percent off to you to make any kind of amendments almost never when they did it it involved. Formatting trivial changes often they would asked me to add citations two papers that they'd published which is also really not a good practice but now they almost never did any substantial reviews and even in the Buick that DDP to conduct some kind of Conduct Peer Review John Piper with open accepted. Anyway I even after a damning review. What more to mainstream todd and the publishing L. V. and Daij court out not much to their embarrassment? Yeah it was grim. That was not a great day for Scientific Publishing and so over. The course of that experiment took months to finish. I just sort of got more and more pessimistic about the publishing world. It really changed my view of the whole industry that I was part of some people who a had been caught up in the sting did contact me afterwards effect. We got at least one angry letter to the editor from one of these journals. Yeah that got caught with its pants down but I don't have that much sympathy for them because they had the one job. You know if you're the editor of journal all you gotTa do is withhold the integrity of the journal and clearly weren't doing that as of the more reputable journals a betrayal of trust and. I wonder what you'll respond CANETTI's Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely everyone craft all over the whole thing. How else would they have reacted? It was basically like taking the giant dump on their entire world. A couple of editors lost their jobs but considering that they had jobs that a fake journal. I I don't see that it's such the big loss so it either a handful of us now. In the industry the Predatory publishing industry has not gone away has not left. Scott team fact all indications that it has grown Mac. Delay going strong. If you carried out the sting operation again. What do you think? Oh I think the picture would probably be worse if I were to do it again. Though I'll tell you what I would do is I would Send a sample papers to the the publishers. Who have the more traditional model as well it? It's kind of amazed me that this whole problem that I uncovered was dismissed by many for the simple fact that I hadn't also submitted fake papers to different kinds of journals at so they felt like they were being unfairly picked picked on the people in the Nexus Publishing Movement and Compassionate Movement. Did they think that you had unfairly. Targeted them in particular. Oh yeah absolutely they drag me through the mud. It was really unpleasant claiming that I'm Michelle's for the traditional scientific publishing world which is hilarious if if you've known me at all it's really quite the opposite. I'm quite an advocate for open access everything but whatever it's fine God's gentlest John Bohannon.

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The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

Science Friction

05:58 min | 1 year ago

The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

"Don three. IB Theory and with main attaches Mitchell. We're looking at predatory publishes and the threat. They poke dawn. Goal is sheep in truth so back took don gentlest John by Hannah. And he's Sting Operation Own Predatory Journal mm-hmm. You wrote a psych paper in fact you you actually wrote a computer program to write hundreds of pipers. Yeah actually it spat out thousands. I ended up only needing hundreds. He's computer program changed the authors affiliations chemicals Chantelle and other ingredients fairmont but funding was pretty much time and the world potentially will changing. Yeah it was a thrill Cuba Canada. John I was basically claiming that this chemical that I found in this little lichens little plant plant like creature was able to kill cancer. Cells in solution. So you know in principle you could inject this stuff into your blood like you. Doing chemotherapy be and it would hopefully kill off the cancer cells and I had these very impressed with charts showing the results very impressive. Yeah it fights value the pipe hypoc standard convicting but they will all dated with glaring eras. And this would take literally one minute just one glance really of any reasonable title science. Who was doing peer review of this paper you just look at the numbers representing this charts and they just make no sense at all? Just don't make any sense and the design if the experiment that was fatally flawed too. I mean these are the kind of mistakes that high school stupid make like these. This isn't even college mistakes. This is just like the biggest most most embarrassing scientific mistake imagine. This isn't subtle stuff and then John Wind even I just wanted to like bring it to the next level so at the into the paper I have the authors say that you know. The next thing we're going to do is test. This humans which to any reviewer should be the biggest red flag I mean aside from the fact the science it looks like completely junk. That's just completely unethical. Then he targeted general predatory including two run by tape one cold medicinal chemistry another biology amid the eight-month he admitted ten pipers awake and what happened. Next is incredible incredible. Any reasonable publisher should have looked at that paper and said not in no way on that publishing this a lot of journals. Dd Yes it gives us the very murray doc stats well. The darkest of dark stats is that sixty percent of the publishers accepted. My article did any any of those sixty percent off to you to make any kind of amendments almost never when they did it it involved. Formatting trivial changes often they would asked me to add citations two papers that they'd published which is also really not a good practice but now they almost never did any substantial reviews and even in the Buick that DDP to conduct some kind of Conduct Peer Review John Piper with open accepted. Anyway I even after a damning review. What more to mainstream todd and the publishing L. V. and Daij court out not much to their embarrassment? Yeah it was grim. That was not a great day for Scientific Publishing and so over. The course of that experiment took months to finish. I just sort of got more and more pessimistic about the publishing world. It really changed my view of the whole industry that I was part of some people who a had been caught up in the sting did contact me afterwards effect. We got at least one angry letter to the editor from one of these journals. Yeah that got caught with its pants down but I don't have that much sympathy for them because they had the one job. You know if you're the editor of journal all you gotTa do is withhold the integrity of the journal and clearly weren't doing that as of the more reputable journals a betrayal of trust and. I wonder what you'll respond CANETTI's Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely everyone craft all over the whole thing. How else would they have reacted? It was basically like taking the giant dump on their entire world. A couple of editors lost their jobs but considering that they had jobs that a fake journal. I I don't see that it's such the big loss so it either a handful of us now. In the industry the Predatory publishing industry has not gone away has not left. Scott team fact all indications that it has grown Mac. Delay going strong. If you carried out the sting operation again. What do you think? Oh I think the picture would probably be worse if I were to do it again. Though I'll tell you what I would do is I would Send a sample papers to the the publishers. Who have the more traditional model as well it? It's kind of amazed me that this whole problem that I uncovered was dismissed by many for the simple fact that I hadn't also submitted fake papers to different kinds of journals at so they felt like they were being unfairly picked picked on the people in the Nexus Publishing Movement and Compassionate Movement. Did they think that you had unfairly. Targeted them in particular. Oh yeah absolutely they drag me through the mud. It was really unpleasant claiming that I'm Michelle's for the traditional scientific publishing world which is hilarious if if you've known me at all it's really quite the opposite. I'm quite an advocate for open access everything but whatever it's fine God's gentlest John Bohannon

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The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

Science Friction

09:46 min | 1 year ago

The predatory publishers sucking science's blood (Summer Season)

"Quake the doot of a Predator as a reporter. You get all kinds of of little suggestions. Tips complaints this. And you can't deal with them all. This one intrigued me. I had started to hear about similar complaints and sort of once. You hear enough of them the signal adds up you think. Maybe there's a story here. What was I seeing What what the clued that? That Mela rash well. I was a researcher myself. I was a faculty librarian at my university and I did. Research probably starting five six years ago I I was always looking for publishing opportunities. I started getting letters and I started to receive these emails. Sort of saying extremely nice. Nice things to me that basically said call for Paper Journal Editors Wanting Me To submit my manuscript to their journal and they had lots of grammatical errors in addition to that one and the emails and then generally speaking editor. I don't say very nice things about you and they don't typically they don't write to you and ask you to submit a manuscript. Will you ever tempted to meet. No no I mean I'm a clinical epidemiologist in some of these journals were lifted from soil. Science right why would somebody from soil science be asking me saying Nice things about me. They wouldn't no me from anywhere he's smells a rat. I did maybe several but that rash or several thousand read via now. Well and truly on the loose predatory publishes and the Predatory Journal has become a mega industry global in reach ending ending destructive potential. In fact you're going to hear from someone who believes that the industry represents the big threat to don in the inquisition shen the US. Federal Court recently ordered one of the biggest of the company to pay up over fifty million. US dollars only make. International headquartered voted in Hyderabad in India but also operating in the US climbed the publish hundreds of medical journals found to employ deceptive business practices essentially entrapping fantasy to offer published in the Journal or participate in conferences. The Doug the ruling bye-bye predatory publishes well. Let's see if Any of that money actually moves anywhere. It's not clear with a the group will cough up that fifty million dollars which is an estimate of how much the company made from customers over a period. All whether we'll appeal we tend to leave leaked of question to its representative yet to receive a reply but it is nice. Clear message to all the Sake Journal. Publishers of the world that they're being watched watched and there could be consequences. Joan Bohannon thought journalists and now director to add an artificial intelligence data in San Fran called primer. They didn't biscuit slipping under the radar. And using American Canadian European banks to move money millions of dollars of money from a complicit gains so this court ruling basically makes that extremely inconvenient to do now. John was to present evidence in the kite board again. Anthem IQ Group by the Federal Trade Commission. Because he'd had an unusually Hansa with the publisher so all mix was one of hundreds of publishers offers that I tested in sting operation. I wrote some computer code to generate thousands of very bad scientific papers. They have been negative kind of legendary inside the back in two thousand twelve John Reporting for the general died and the Expression Predatory Journal Common News. there was a guy named Geoffrey Yu who was probably the only person around making in a big public. Stink about this and trying to actually Shine a light on it. It was very very bold effort. He had something called feels list or at least it became known as beal's lest my name is Jeffrey Bill. And I'm a retired academic librarian from University of Colorado Denver. But make the deal. Beal Blackley fame and a climb and karate he was the first to coin. The Phrase Predatory Journal the Journal. Publishers hated being malysz because it it stigmatizes them in meant that their income was decreased. Most of the predatory publishers are predatory not only in their publishing but in just the way they operate in general and they would use the heckler's actors veto. They would call the library director and complain about me and they would try to annoy people at my university as much as possible in order to manipulate those people at the university to make me stop the list so that their complaints would stop. I also received several threats of legal action including think it was is in twenty twelve international threatened to sue me for one billion dollars one billion dollars. It was just a threat. What I learned from it is that you can basically basically pay an attorney? Five hundred dollars all right a threatening letter so they they did that but they never followed through with. It was never introduced in any court consequences consequences. Jeffrey of running that black leaked were immense. And I'll come back to that. One estimate suggests that there are at least eight thousand predatory journals it is just one publisher of many but Jeffrey Bill provocatively cold. The the evil empire of Predatory Publishing I stand Dan by that statement and what they do is they really hurt a lot of people. You know the scholarly publishing system works on the honor system and people operate in good faith but oh mix international has has totally broken all that down. They use a lot of spamming to solicit article manuscripts from researchers they have journal titles that match the titles of respected journals. Usually one word off enough to confuse people that it might be the respected journal in the `field they will at People's names to their editorial boards without the person's permission people from top universities top researchers in the field and they'll use their identity to promote the journal and when the person finds out about it and ask them to remove their name. They don't remove it they just leave it there because they're operating operating from foreign country. There's really nothing you can do about it. And they especially prey on young researchers in emerging researchers researchers who don't speak English as their first language. It's not just dont. As from developing countries that a toggle though that even acknowledged problem clinical epidemiologist. David moas taste the Croats at reaching into some of America's most delayed institutions including Harvard in the analysis that we did where we looked at a close to two thousand thousand articles published in Predator journals. We found that actually the most frequent corresponding authors were from what we would call first world countries countries with lots of money and lots of resources that is troubling very troubling because it suggests that at these institutions authors may not Be Aware of predatory journals and are we need to obviously ramp up some educational activities. People think that they're sending the manuscript to a legitimate respected journal. When it's really just a phony dough mix international journal and then they quickly accept the paper without any peer review and then send them an invoice and that point the authors realized that something is wrong because There was really no peer reviewed done yet papers accepted and they have this two thousand dollars invoice that comes through email and the olmecs demanding payment. Most of them asked to withdraw the paper when they realized that they've been duped. But then omits says says you can't withdraw your paper unless you pay US withdrawal fee. An often than olmecs will publish the article quickly and one of their journals and then and they can't submit it anywhere else. Because that would be duplicate submission it would be publishing the same article twice. which is something not supposed to do that? Nothing about Predatory Street Journal devoted to pose to happening time as John Bohannon Govett when he hit them. Attest yes yeah so I just wanted some data. It's frustrating to have such an enticing story of you know bad actors that potentially raking in millions of ill-gotten dollars dollars and not get some data to find out if it's true. We stay in molecular biology from offered. Clave he plotted experiment which was pretty straightforward. And the idea in a nutshell is if I submit a really and I mean truly bad scientific paper to your journal final and you accept it with no sign of any peer review and you asked me for money then you're you're a fake journal Publisher Sharma sure. Yeah John Wanted to take to how easy it was to get published in a predatory journal it can usually take many months used even to get a pipe into a reputable contact general and even then it's not a given that partly because of what's called Peer Review essential to the conduct protest. You Do Fairmont you. You brought it up reporting your results. Submit it to a journal and then it pulled destroyed by a bunch of other daunting

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"predatory journal" Discussed on PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

11:57 min | 1 year ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

"Phone call with one of their recruiters. Yeah Arias areas. Is the expert in travel. Physical therapy a U. R. E.. US MEDICAL DOT com. That's Arias Medical Group A U. R. E. US medical dot COM com our home on the Internet by CAST DOT COM created by build build. PD provides marketing services services specifically for private practice PT's website development and hosted inviting content marketing solutions PT clinics across the country scene with PT. Can Do for you today. Dot Com. We're back let's get back to the show. Were you sitting around. Hopefully a beer or a drink was involved when you said. Hey you know we should do. and which is the beginning of of anything. Hopefully one of you said. Hey Hang on hold my beer and started typing. But how how did this thing come about when you said. Let's let's see what ridiculous stuff we can actually get published. It was crazy. Josh Cleland's idea is a mask. You're generating crazy ideas but actually not following through these so the politics were dumb enough. I have to agree to do it with them. So you get the emails overnight because they come from usually Africa the Middle East India new wakeup in your email box if she had thirty to forty requests to submit a paper. Josh publishes a lot. He has well over two hundred legitimate publication so he gets about thirty to forty these day so he contacted acted all and I by email and said hey. I'm so sick of this crazy paper and I had a gap in my schedule so I started writing. Sent it to those guys they added. They're beautiful remarks to end. The we submitted it to the first request we had and it was published. So crazy joshes the impetus behind us so give if people that the nuts and bolts. What are the? What did the patient look like dead for five years repeated spinal manipulations and then poof? Like how would you describe it if you were going to present this as a legitimate intimate paper. Yeah so it's it's so full of garbage that it's really hard to describe it without somebody saying no. He's he's pulling our leg dead. Five years he met two clinical prediction rules. He centralized allies it. Low fear avoidance multiple subway stations. I mean we made up all this Baloney in a Oswestry of one hundred timed up and go the incident time. I'm because he couldn't get out of the chair. He was unresponsive. During the patient history silliness throughout the whole thing. We decided that a manipulation of only in one manipulation was needed but it would need to be repeated two hundred fifty times which is ridiculous at manipulation. One hundred seventy six. He started to see major changes his in his self reported disability quality of life and then he came back to life. Oh Man I gotta wipe my eyes right now. I'm tearing up a little bit. I mean it's just you riddled riddled with landmines. Anybody who who knew any of these words would say this. I mean it wasn't just one thing or a piece of data or data set this with this thing was stacked act completely stacked end so stacked we had a lawyer. Look at it to make sure that we weren't going to get in trouble. The lawyer wrote wrote back to US instead. This is the funniest thank I've ever read the lawyer sorted out. There's no way if this American we let it let ride so boom you guys get the email you put put together landmine ridden paper patient survives. Fantastic how long did it go from writing to submission to publication less than two weeks weeks that in fact we sent an email because the first thing they did is once they receive the The manuscript submission by email by anyway. They said we're GONNA need you to agree to pay four hundred and forty dollars. I wrote back and said no I. I don't agree to pay. That didn't hear from him and the next thing I know it was a complete copy edited. Final accepted publication. That they sent to me. That never requested the money again. I even emailed them as a courtesy and said hey was a fake paper. Probably WanNa pull it off your website. Nope they offered me a an editorial position after I sent him. You got a job. Yes wow even better so would love to break some news here. Are you going to be taking the position with that journal. No I politely declined. I think like my standards are a little too strict for that journal. What was the name of the Journal just because now I'm curious it was the archives of Women's health are something like that and that's another thing? Ah Our patient was male. Had nothing to do with the focus of the Journal. They were just looking for anything. But but now they're starting to use words that as you mentioned earlier ear which are difficult to sort out the archives of archives right there it sounds like it's legitimate true. That what they do is they target big-name journals they tweak the words a little bit so the an unassuming individual will think that they're actually dealing with that particular journal and we started going out for just pure math as you mentioned engine. Most of these things are in the lower income areas and email cost nothing. So if you send a thousand emails. You've you've likely copied and pasted an ask request and you're you're sitting there for a couple of hours you know. It's it's hard to blame the telemarketers when people are still ordering stuff when they pick up the phone so that's where we come back to full circle the dark side of pubmed and Predator journals. Talk that you're going to be given at. CSM Thursday January twenty fourth eight am and that's going to be in room. One fifty nine A and B You're going to be there with Lori. Michener Frederico Posey Julie Tilson let us know what we can learn there. What are we gonNA walk out of there knowing how to do? But you know you can get a blacklist and this is what Jeff reveals lists used to be in that would be a list of all the journals and all the predatory journals end the we've really strayed away from that because they're proliferating so quickly that it's almost impossible. I would've stay on top of that so we will be talking about white listing. What do you look for in a proper journal? Certainly one of the things. I'm GonNa talk about how it's impacted academia Daimyo at how sleazy academicians are actually using Predatory publishing the pad their CB's to get promoted and to get tenure and a a lot of universities are really struggling with this especially smaller universities. That really require a lot of teaching from their Field that this is their only way of going. We're going to talk a lot about the history of predatory publishing. We'll talk a little bit about some of the things that have happened including our particular thing that we did for fun but it has really done a nice job of pointing out how easy it is published in this particular area and we'll talk a little bit about fake news our Source Amnesia. And how overtime what you read aide Legitimate Journal and what you rate allows the Journal tends to have the same level of creative so we're trying to say our profession is evidence based and with the proliferation of predatory journals and Fash tag fake research. It's going to undermine what the thing that we're trying to build and unfortunately it is difficult and for good the reason to produce quality research and when it's out there you want to be able to find it. It looks like on a lot of different sides of the coin. Academics publishing people being duped into it or using it on purpose maliciously. It looks like is a giant giant problem as you mentioned only getting bigger. I am astounded by the number eight to ten thousand. But as you mentioned they're they're easy to create because they're made of air easy to get a deal I number and pretend you have a journal it's astounding just four or five years ago. It was six hundred and quickly huge problem. Anything else that you're looking forward to a 'em how do you pick what you what you go and you spend your time on in in terms of Presentations what do you look for. How do you pick so like you mostly do networking and you end up with so many people your schedule the me? It's it's the perfect time to do that because everybody is there. I like to target courses that it's a rare chance to actually see somebody speak so whether that's an overseas person that comes in or committee. It's a topic that I I don't normally see an end. Then I show up about forty five minutes before it actually starts to make sure that I can get that is hand because if you think it's interesting chances are with last last. CSM NEW ORLEANS. Seventeen thousand plus some of those rooms could get big and they can get overflowed. And if you're GONNA if there's something that you want really WanNa see and we suggest it's this often get there early as you as you just mentioned and yeah why first couple. CSM's do interviews out there. I'd reach out to people and they'd give me these these windows of time that were super small and I thought I was getting blown off and then go to. CSM's and you realize it might be a couple days but it's there. There are very few opportunities to actually do stuff because there are so many people when you want to be able to say hi in person agreed and the evening functions to are as strong as the day functions. There's very little sleep in that three four day period I say. CSM's four days of longest eight days in my life. Because you need a vacation when you get back from it. It feels like it's and it's a weekend of Vegas right if you're in a room or the Expo Hall. No windows no clocks. It feels like it's always daytime. I'm assuming the I cannot confirm or deny that they're pumping oxygen into the room to keep us awake. I don't know it could be. That's a good so again Dan. The dark side of pubmed predatory journals is going to be Thursday January. Twenty four eight to ten with Chad Cook Lori Michener for Rico Posey and Julie Early Tilson that's going to be in one fifty nine am be. I will say download the abt a APP because sometimes rooms change and they will be updated on the APP faster faster than the website rule looking forward to this. I think this is important and only going to get bigger as you mentioned being six hundred five years ago and now we're close it on ten K.. Hey this is something that we definitely need to put some effort into to make sure our profession doesn't get eroded parting shot last thing we do on the show. This is the parting shots. Take the parting. Shot is brought to you by rock tate. 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"predatory journal" Discussed on Very Bad Wizards

Very Bad Wizards

04:33 min | 3 years ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Very Bad Wizards

"Think he's just made claims about gender differences in personality and how this might actually be some sort of explanation for what people putatively consider bias in things like hiring speaking of politics which you love we there was a recent study published that cast some light on the way our political orientation might prime us to do things in private in the private arena like white bar butts wipe our asses yeah this is some sort of hot off the press story from study from the institute of interdisciplinary political and fecal science in england i you know i i applied there i got a apa interview but i didn't end up getting the anon campus yeah no i just got a rejection letter three months later that was smeared and shit that could be good they were really they were really hard at work when they sent it to me this is he sent me this earlier today which really again a hoax article but this one's like really they just like phoned it in but it's hilarious i mean it's it's a hoax article so we've talked about one other hoax article in detail but it's this one is designed to expose the nature of predatory journals and that's it it's not designed to expose anything about social psychology and this kind of research it is just to show that predatory journals will publish anything and am by predatory journals is just journals i guess that they zisti by authors paying them to publish things right by libraries subscribing to them that's right so so you know it's a really ugly practice that that i think is bad for everybody but yeah you get emails i don't know if you get any of these emails saying like hey submit your work to and then some really generic sounding journal and and you could just tell what they want is for you to to send them whatever bullshit you want and they'll publish publish it right so let's let's say what this is so it's called by jerry j lewis right actually what it's the pseudo name of gary lewis a psychologist who published this testing inter hemispheric social priming theory in a sample of professional politicians a brief report it's kind of just brilliantly written here the abstract the current study has a critical prediction from inter hemispheric social priming theory in the sample of professional politicians we asked the question of whether one's political preferences are manifested in the hand used wild cleaning one's posterior we find compelling evidence from a sample of professional politicians in the uk and equals eight that this is most certainly the case the finding is a breakthrough and has implications for organizational management and beyond so the idea was if you're if you're a politician on the right you will wipe your ass with your left hand and vice versa that's the diction and it was the the results are striking startling confirmed it's it's and presumably this this is a tight theoretical story because as we all know the right part of your brain controls less out of your body your brain controls right side of your body so so like obviously this is a very very well thought out prediction coming from the neuro scientific expertise i don't know there's like a lot of great quotes in there are so so the methods are that the the authors recruited participants from a uk political institution referred to colloquially as houses of parliament and and they went up to politicians on the street these are fake names but intended to be theresa maybe try to did it mean deming research assistant goes up to the.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

The Naked Scientists

01:55 min | 3 years ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

"I can tell you personally sample of that so my mother in law whose enforcing passed away she passed away from breast cancer when she was ultimately in at the terminal stage of her disease she's really desperately looking for other alternative treatment so she went to an alternative medicine practitioner they said you should take this infusion of this particular vitamin and they provided a paper and the paper when she gave this to me was actually from a predatory journal so this alternative medicine practitioner had basically written up a review and publish it in a predatory journal and was now using this to basically do patients seeing there's evidence that it works when clearly this was something that i really had no evidence to begin with the serb demonstrates the harm that this journal's can actually do to patients and public directly given the does therefore seem to be a serious threat and given the numbers of pipe that you're talking about very large numbers cleanly something surely should happen oh absolutely so i think there's a few different fronts that we can look at this number one as taxpayers we can apply pressure to agencies that are funding some of these work to make sure that they have policies in place to prevent researchers from publishing in these outlets and as well at when you're giving a donation to your health charity you know you can also say a what are your policies as you started distributors to researchers in terms of where the work is going to be published menaj lulu and just got a comment piece in the death minute lead norm the predator trade journal nature human behavior this week he's looking at the strategies that we can use to deal with the problems identified he's also in an article about his investigations which can find on the naked scientists website that's a naked scientists dot com forward slash articles sounds very worrying doesn't it now it's time to come down to earth.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

The Naked Scientists

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

"However many of them are actually based out of india or other developing nations or newly industrialized nations that being said what's very interesting as many of the articles being published from them are actually coming from uppermiddle income or higherincome countries now is not because people in upper and hiring come countries won't to just publish something all all they being deceived by this machine and they think they are receiving proper scientific treatment but then not for shykent directly answer that i can only speculate what the motivations are for people who are submitting think there are some people being deceived that's really goes under the why did your has called predatory they're looking for pray and their prey or unfortunate scientists who are unaware of where they are actually sending their particular work i think there's another group of folks who may be are trying to pad their cds the way people are advanced through academic circles is through the quantity of papers that you publish if you have many papers published that looks very good on a tv as you're applying for promotion those people aside while the people that think they are sending their signs to someone legitimate are they being and how are they being deceived predatory journal's actually have names that are very similar to legitimate journals so for instance the flagship journal of the american heart association is circulation there is a number predatory journal's with very similar titles so for researchers who aren't very familiar with the fielding might actually be thinking they are actually submitting to circulation when they are not that power from taking a few donors here and there off of people who are jeep why is this a problem in what way could this do com so there is some work that is definitely a been legitimately done we think that's been publishing news journal's but i also think there is another category of people who are publishing really what's fake science.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

The Naked Scientists

02:16 min | 3 years ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on The Naked Scientists

"On the way but we're finding out to help researches of learned to talk dole finn and we're looking at the science of star wars and those planets that you see in those films have researchers discovered the really quivalent stay tuned before that they've fought the last four hundred years of say the convention has been scientific research is published in official journal's these follow a strict code of conduct that recognised internationally and they present trustworthy information that of the scientists and the general public can rely on but in recent years a new breed of publications appeared that lacks these guiding principles and morals and they exist only to make money the problem is that the costs are not just financial these publications of vehicles for fake science than named confusing the like well regarded official journals and that proliferating very rapidly i spoke to manoj lalu from the university of ottawa and he's been studying the phenomenon that is the socalled predatory journals so our perjury journal is basically a journal that doesn't follow the usual wall processes of a regular journal so regular journal when you send in a'scientific peace they will review it than if they deemed that it's something that's worthwhile to set it up for peer review to several scientists usually who are experts in the field those experts will get feedback the paper is improve the study is improved and then if the papers accepted to the journal then it gets published in a predatory journal basically what happens is a paper get sent in an more often than not there is absolutely no review process they just publish it immediately for a fee and that's the motivations it to make money absolutely so the are a big moneymaking ventures there's so many of journals right now that we know that's obviously a profitable ventures well when you said this this the minimum how many we looking at so the current estimate right now is that there's about four hundred thousand articles and predatory journals and wherever they based the journal's in certain countries that a pushing is all they all over the plight so it's interesting made these journals woolsey that they're mailing address is are in the us uk or an canada in some cases.

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"predatory journal" Discussed on Serious Inquiries Only

Serious Inquiries Only

02:31 min | 4 years ago

"predatory journal" Discussed on Serious Inquiries Only

"So and not every clinical trial is going to be the same as so it's going to leave out things that are necessary for scientists and it and it turns out around half of clinical trials go unpublished judge just because everybody is trying to get the stuff that works in so it's it wastes time for science yeah also obviously predatory journals will exist to help you publish as an academic you want to get your name out there the predatory journal can send you an email and you're like well yeah i ever from zaveriuka by a lot of emails a really came in ied mailed from the stupid journals all the time like hey come publish something d as wanna talk about that do you get that already here at the lake here because i was something as very frustrating whenever i saw that mentioned with the conceptual pinas thing about lake the automatic transfer first off about how though is the automatic linked like that something that isn't recommended necessarily by other scientists as like we really think this is a good idea we're going to actually make a conscious thought i'll decision that this other journal could be good fit like that wasn't what happened at all is just an automatic lake the within that system of publishing analyze predatory journals are just of bill end to send out these these emails because i get those i mean it seems like once a week out in email for some random journalmyi might even got one from the cogent socialsciences let's like your work is excellent please publish our journal unlike doleyou can tell because like for me i don't have my doctorate yet and their label dr fuss yanni because the i for much ignore those so that's all anyone really does but as you can see like all these things coming together don't really help create helpful results in science and if people are pointing out all these flaws and you start getting bs papers everywhere it's going to start losing the public confidence in science as an institution just because everybody's getting all these results out that don't mean anything in overtime people are going to say oh well that that's just a study that doesn't mean anything when when really it's the bulk of the scientific literature that tells you what's going on soii don't know that i got a clear answer on how peer review should work.