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82: Bordeaux and China: Wine Culture Clash or Perfect Pairing? Suzanne Mustacich Reveals Surprising Insights

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82: Bordeaux and China: Wine Culture Clash or Perfect Pairing? Suzanne Mustacich Reveals Surprising Insights

"They use their eight hundred fifty five classification say these are the top wines uses once you dream of having and maybe can't afford that. You can afford the other seven hundred million bottles. In the means. It's a great marketing. Plan it worse. The top brands Chanel Gucci would every you might see the runway with the outfit you could never buy, but you can afford the scarf or the perfume. Yeah and it works. They understand that there's a desire for luxury goods with soon as there's a middle class, there is a desire for better lifestyle and make. You can't afford the whole lifestyle beacon for part of it. Can't afford the -cation hall or even maybe the trip abroad you can wind up bottle of wine and you can live it for a moment. Do. You have a thirst to learn about Wine d love stories about wonderfully obsessive people, ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations Oh. That's the blend here on the unreserved wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean. Each week I share with you, unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey, as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass me that bottle. Please and let's get started. Welcome to episode eighty two. Why is Joe considered the ultimate luxury brand in the world of wine. Why did the Chinese market suddenly start buying Bordeaux wines in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Why does Bordeaux in particular suit? The ancient Chinese culture of prestigious gift-giving versus other expensive wines. And how does the demand for Bordeaux in China effect both the prices you pay and the styles you drink? That's exactly what we're going to learn. In this episode of the unreserved Wine Talk Podcast. We're chatting with Suzanne must've stitch they author of the Fascinating Book Thirsty Dragon China's lost for Bordeaux and the threat to the world's best wines. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook. Live video show up of years ago, so keep that in mind as the context for Suzanne's comments. Also, you'll hear me respond to viewer questions. You can be part of that conversation. Every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern, All, include link as to where you can find us on facebook as well as the video version of this conversation. All in the show notes at Natalie Maclean. Dot. com, forward slash eighty two. If you want to discover mouth watering juicy wines, including lots of Bordeaux, and what pair with them sign up for my free online video wine class, the five wine and food pairing mistakes thicken. Ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. Go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class, and she's a time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you in the class. Okay on with the show. Our guest is a contributing editor at.

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71: British Columbias Best Wineries with Wine Writer John Schreiner

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41:22 min | 4 months ago

71: British Columbias Best Wineries with Wine Writer John Schreiner

"By icon I mean just an expensive line but a wine that's good enough to be collected and seller and that was what I was trying to do with. The book was to encourage people to identify wines. Do they could collect and yet still fairly young industry and yet you felt propelled to write this book so it must sort of signal at least to you a coming of age being able to name icon wines. I would not have even thought of doing a book like this ten years ago. This just study and exponential progress. I is a wine writer. Also came to the understanding of wanting head. You very slowly. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine de la stories about wonderfully obsessive ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations? That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean. Each week I share with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I. Write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here. Now Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode seventy one in this episode of the unreserved wine. Talk podcast were chatting with the man. I consider the godfather of Canadian wine writing such as both the quality and quantity of his work beginning with regular wine columns in the financial post and the Vancouver Sun in Nineteen seventy four. He published his first book. The world of Canadian wines in nineteen eighty four and has since written fourteen books on Canada's and British Columbia's wine and Wine Culture. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video show a couple of years ago so keep that in mind as context for. John's comments also occasionally. You'll hear me respond to viewer questions. You can be part of that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern including tonight. If you're listening to this podcast on the day that it's published. I'll put a link where you can find us in the show notes as well as links to John's books website. Social media handles the wine we tasted and the video version of this conversation at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash seventy one. So if you're ready to take a break from binging on net flicks. I am sign up for my free online video wine class. The five wine and food pairing mistakes. That can ruin your dinner at a fixed them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and shoes at time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you there. Okay on with the show an icon line. What comes to mind is it price. Is it scarcity is it seller worthiness quality or some combination of all of those and especially when we think about BC wines? What are their icon wines? The ones that stand head and shoulders above the rest our guest joins me live now from Vancouver. Welcomes John Schreiner? Hello Hello thank you so John. Maybe you can tell me about the first one. You remember tasting. Well it's a vivid memory of years ago when I was living in Regina who had the apartment next door the room next door and he liked to play baseball every Sunday afternoon. And I didn't so I said Okay I'll make dinner and I'll get a bottle of wine and I did. And Lo and behold again around the opening a bottle of wine. I discover it's GonNa Corcoran unhappy a bottle of French so turn. We didn't have a carcass crew. We went around in the neighborhood that afternoon defined Found one it was very badly designed ended up shoving the court into the wine. Then we had it with Spaghetti and meat sauce. That tells you hi Ed. A long way to go but that was the first bottle of wine with a cork and I may have had a few big before that with crew cab didn't drink any wine at all before I left university. I don't know why not but I didn't know it just wasn't part of the culture. Grew up all right. Maybe John You can also tell us a little bit. About what got you into wide writing now. I know you are a business reporter but what prompted the shift to wine writing well. I've always wanted to write full stop. I learned to read. I wanted to write so I would have written about anything. Dogs whatever caught by fats and I went on to become a journalist and that was my full time day job for over forty years with a daily newspaper and then with financial post but I got interested me wind gradually as the consumer. We moved to Toronto when I joined the financial post in one thousand nine hundred sixty one and a half to have an apartment just down the block from a bright line store. Not I'm not going to say the lines. Were all that good in that period but I enjoy going in our enjoyed looking into labeled join talking with the staff and it just fired my curiosity for about ten years. That was basically buying a bottle of wine on Sunday. Finishing the other half on Monday type of thing my interest just built building built until when we moved to Vancouver started joining wind society went to California by then I was fully seduced. Alright aside from your better quality of wine and more wineries. Nbc where have been the biggest changes you've seen while I've been following the BBC wine industry since the mid seventies and set on more than one occasion that I was a friend of British Columbia winds when they had no friends. The industry has improved dramatically but particularly in the last ten years. And the reason for that is that the Quality Hill did a culture as just grown enormously. There are now professionally trained viticulture. Listen vineyard managers throughout the industry. They didn't use the BEEP. Grape growers were apple growers. Who had switched grapes and they didn't have the detailed knowledge. That the viticulture have now and you begin to taste it in the wines. I can think of one Weinrich who is a matter of fact one. They hired a bit of culture within two years. There was a noticeable improvement in the why and think of another winery where they hired a winemaker. Who started spending time in the vineyard growers a noticeable improvement in the caller? The line so fundamentally we have great terroir here. We've got good grapes. We just needed to get the skill set together. Okay I was also wondering what was the most surprising insight that you discovered while writing this book and also. What's the most interesting thing someone has said about the buck? I guess the Surprise it wasn't so much surprising I was kind of expecting it. But the the major insight was was how many wines that I could find that I thought were either icons or on the route becoming iconic. Now there's well over one hundred wines in the book and they're by no means all of icons yet but you can see the progression in quality by icon. I mean not just an expensive line but a wine that's good enough to be collected and seller. The and. That was what I was trying to do with. The book was to encourage people to identify winds. They could collect and yet still fairly young industry and yet you felt propelled to write this book so it must sort of signal at least to you a coming of age being able to name icon wines. I would not have even thought of doing a book like this ten years ago. This just study an exponential progress and I as a wine writer also came to the understanding and wanted to head you very slowly when I started writing about lines in seventies and reading the California magazine. Because I'm working locally night busy. The articles are all about the winemakers. The lion were the stars in really wasn't until the nine fundamental shift winemakers are still very hurry or but it's the big move roller grapes. That aren't stars teams. Developing my books have changed over. The years of more focus on the growers or sufficient food is on the road to recognize that the wind is is made in the video before in the last Absolutely now if you're putting on your prognostication hat what they see as sort of the three big trends that are going to happen in the BBC wine industry in the next five to ten years. Desiccation of the flagship grape varieties were not new zealand. We won't have a single variety. Everybody goes out of because the valley is too complex. You can grow fabulous terrific Pinot noir in the north butter both wanted to earn their own reputation. Very Slavia has very high quality. Didn't ten years ago had such but now everybody with a winery. Dollar is growing pretty well exaggerate somewhat. But it's almost that much and you know to digital great to do well but those who are doing exceptionally well the Martin's lane winery which is owned by Anthony. Von Mandl there are priced between one hundred one hundred fifty dollars above which seems the rest of the quality's there. Wow that's fantastic will identify a handful of Brian's we can hang our hat on but then they're they're all the other the other thing that sets British Columbia. Part is the diversity of big rice. You know we have rollers with Aubrey. Neo Nazi now in for Bill Chatto. They're all small and I know some my wine writing call eggs thick this confuses the issue. I don't think it confused consider the consumer consider. That are nice. Goal to cursor and by that aren't makes and if he doesn't wanNA DRINK NASC- can go somewhere else and by the brake blocks of Pinot. Bree there's so much that it's in danger of common Boreham the make very good wines here but at least one hundred brave plays wow. I didn't realize that. Oh it's kind of diversity. Wow I mean anger channeled the make most of the wine but the other ones every once in a while don traits. They're one of the four five wineries now with Putin rebel. Need you're gonNA die for delicious. Wow would not want to see the discourage for making Hooterville. All the other people at is amazing so John we should taste. We're talking about all of these lines and we should probably taste a few here together. I know that you have with you. The Vanessa marriage as do I many. Tell me a little bit about this line. And Wyatt merited mentioned in your book. Vanessa is a fairly new winery. I think this twenty thirteen was awesome. I mean they're vineyard is extraordinarily rocking vineyard in the silk belly. Smoke amine parallel the Okinawan Valley. It's quite a different tear than the Okinawan. And for those who are not familiar where does it parallels but is it to the east to the West like maybe situated even Mar. It's to the West too when you're driving from here to the Okinawan you can drive through smoke. Amina if you choose to go the southern highway which I usually do. Because it's a pretty way to go about twenty four kilometer just so of injured in that valley but they're quite superior in their. Manassas in your seventy or eighty eight years. The soil was so full of rocks that they kept breaking machinery. Palmer is the rocks digging holes to get sick. If good grapes need to struggle. They really struggle there. I'll bet and that'd be good for drainage too isn't it and making them suffer even more him on the side of the hill so it's so dry. In the in the Okinawans milk in the grand ages much issue Airdrie ages irrelevant. There's a big change in temperature from night and day and Milkman. It's in the frost spring in the fall. It gives snippy the air drain down the kill site from the mountain down into the river valley. The vineyards are sort of on benches. That are maybe a hundred one hundred fifty meters above the river for the most part summer on Lord out and the Air Movement down in The Dallas Hillsides moves the frost. No so you don't have a great deal of frost problem in the smoking because of unless vineyard is now low. It's a flat vineyard where there's no air movement the all the necessary but a great book. H There's also. We have the breeze through the Valley. So this little disease issue there half the farms in the. Smoking Valley are organic. Because it's easy to be organic. Wow I either. This wineries own by a couple of partners want a real estate developer back over. His partner is a Retired investment dealer. They have had their wines made for the last number of years by the winemaker at Red Rooster relationship with the Keller. Who IN FELLER? Who BUYS MOST OF THE FRUIT FROM THAT VINEYARD? That's still only reducing four or five thousand cases a year. They could be a lot bigger or edging into it. As the market GUMP's they only open a tasting room last summer. So it Stigma Wild. Get there and eventually have a winery. Vinyard is all in rep and read riots. Okay why they don't make any white lines dominating. They bought some eight to blend in with Sarah but the injured his allred. The their view is that would be a waste of that tear. War Weinstein disagree with us. They WANNA have whites off to go somewhere else. Why not do what you do? Well begun to release a range of aligns at now release cameras so low so raw and currently in releasing thickest twenty fourteen. There's also say No they don't set of of. Am Don I. Don't take the Anya. They might be tempted to eventually that the the whole purpose of this was to blend. Sarong sure I think the only thing that I would criticize him for his calling this line marriage really lie well because there are so many marriage now in the mark if I owned the winery is given to the proprietary but some of the other icon and by rock. Yeah so you can remember now. Well less on the other hand is singular name for a winery. So that should make sure who remembers absolutely as an. Where's Vanessa we need is one of the owners Doctors Gotcha and does not want to be any argument over? Them's now I'm sure people would love to know how you taste wine. John what he looking for. What do you see in or would you get from this wine? We won't make this too technical. I'm sure people would love to know your approach to tasting wine on Bruce Straightforward the first thing I do obviously when I opened this first thing I've yet to Sniff Corp Yussef garcs I sniff course at an early one and we have a court. Y Okay off. The court smells like an old root cellar than cautious about taste. In record smells fresh green than this usually no fall. Not just a precautionary thing. That that I do move team. It served me. Well give into the glass and the four enough in swirled a bit. What my nose and see what I could smell could look at it but I mean it's it's a red wine so whether it's red or deep red doesn't mean much to we. I get fussy about the color of rose as I'm not very happy with the current fashion jewels as that are absurdly hail. What's the only time when I get really annoyed about color this is? Why does that body the absurdly Pale think Rosie should also present itself well in the glass? Not just this absurdly fail wine. They usually smell and taste good. Don't look up to you. I mean you missed part of the sale of wine in my view anyway. I know I'm a minority of people who who say Oh that's provence is a rosy so. I don't see what I can tell you know this wanted was five years. A six years of is breaking Lily well-known locks on the nose of a little bit of Vanilla and the idea that to John. This lovely. It's so integrated I mean. It just doesn't even need to canting. I mean you could but it's just so young gathered them. You're recognizing well it's still firm. I would put that wind away for another five years without being told concern. And that's the purpose of your book to write to really get at the cellar worthy winds. It's not just about badge winds it's about what's GonNa last in a cellar right foot to all cases how long I thought the wind could sell for interesting things. My numbers were usually a bit more aggressive I longer. Then the wires were recommending. The funniest comment on that was for reading. Picton the winemaker. If they have a wine called miracle at got a Miriam means marriage and the language of the digit span. But not all of them winery. Yes I said to Randy. How long will this age last stood owns laws and good marriage seven years when I was tasting with a couple of weeks ago and believe chasing the current releases the Miriam and you can see Mary Missing? Loops good for ten years longer. Forgotten how many I put him the book. How many years ran these very too? So really that's Great. Nice touch the. Yeah actually I've just onto tasting that because I know you don't have all the ones that I have here to taste so I want to hear stories and I'll do the heavy lifting with the tasting but I'm onto this. Why Now? What else can you tell us about? How do you pronounce again Nick? Me Any injury okay. What's the back story there? It's a Soya's engine which they have this enormous reserve thirty thousand or forty thousand acres in the south wrote the Nawgam. It was for years but many Indian bands. They were giving desk and yes desperate and it was saved brush. They allowed bright since it was in the day in one thousand nine hundred eighty to build a building Lisa for a winery which is now a huge wiry. Arterial has north of all enormous place. And that was very controversial at the time. Some members in the indigenous community fought the bachelor nothing to the production of alcohol because alcohol problems and the chief at the time said No. We're going to go ahead and do it. Because this will create jobs in his successor reading storing Hesperia. Good jobs that people who who have retired now from that working at that library secondly of a Would always Lam. Dong trains was developing in core. The least something like twelve hundred acres from the ban which was a lot cheaper than buying twelve hundred acres if he could have found fell hundred. And that's developed some of the best vineyard land in the south of inaugural and that was the foundation that launched in core in four five Weiner's including intimate so. They had a winery on their left. They end grapes but they were applying in years fifty years ago for a casino lights. Don't also a lot of homework on. And fortunately for US wine drinkers the Casino license was rejected and the idea of a winery came up by fifty. Fifty joint venture with what was encouraged. They manage the marketing. It's a modeling winery. In the wine outstanding Miriam is there red. They've just introduced a white. Miriam Flagship Wife. And they're gradually moving the entire portfolio off into reserve quality range. It's a very very good wind at very well. And Randy has manager in the ten years or fifteen years. He's been there. He's measured to first nations seller. One is now a winemaker. Who did all of the white wines last year and the other is the lead celebrate. He's very proud and the band is that they've been able to create businesses of all sorts. But they've been able to create talk quality jobs in the Wine Lindy Osbourne people as well as all other jobs and a related wine in a sense in that. It's also run by an indigenous. Group is a Soyuz larose. Soares have no. It's now owned by a French. Okay tell our something off started as a joint venture game between Incor- and the CELEBS The rose on trade survey decided that how our night advance the whining. British Columbia you'd advancing by bringing in brains from people who've been doing it for hundreds and thousands of years and so we've talked grew into a joint venture. They've been making wife the back end of the big winer. They're they're moving out next year to their own GONNA fabulous and they're putting the winery up there at the tasting game. They only ray wine in. It's only legras is is a blend and that one has varieties on front label. It's a very good wine cellar. I've fought every year. I think it's the same out of the verticals of ten villages and I'm sure that I could have done verticals fifty. I don't think I'd take the on fifteen. Those earlier ones were from young vines. So they don't have the depth of the current onset absolutely now. John You dedicated your book to the winemaker for Oculus Mission Hills oculus which I have here and it's a magnificent line. I mean it's just stunning. Why did you decide to dedicate your book to John Signs? He had just retired. K. John's a very modest dot. Not a lot of winemakers are you know type. A personalities guys very professional very competent. I N five admired him for years by included Oculus of course because it was one of the first iconic wines in British Columbia. The first meeting was nine thousand. Nine hundred seven right as your dedication to him. Yes we need is what ninety seven and if you go back and read the notes. Because I've got each vintage described. It read with bland. You need the truth and you can see in. His constant improvement in the first law was probably Merrill. Cabernet Sauvignon Cabernet fall. And that was a number of years before they had access to a Melnik and the the teacher don't the new civil changed considerably. They didn't do any asserting tables until about two thousand five so it's been one on the other it's built on the quality of that line. I think I may still have a bottle of either ninety seven ninety eight at home really. I doubt very much excelled up but I certainly tasted. Oculus is at fifty years. Now that I've got structure to go to this it's very well made by with a quite beautiful bottle. It's an expensive line. It's not easy to get segment about one hundred and fifty dollars a bottle but all of that quality it can go until I think with Hustler. Gross absolutely the Best Board L. And you know what surprised me John is? They sent me two thousand thirteen vintage and it's drinking. Well it's not like it's a tannock monster at all. It's just it's got a velvet texture. It's all there and can tell it'll go the distance and the seller and it'll get better and better but I was surprised how well it's drinking right now. The manage the Thames very well. I mean the early years there were some winds whether off to somebody else attempts to live on the rough side that was using my criticism of a slowest neurones. Adams were a little too firm. And if you couldn't approach that line delivers five or six years of age. Say the same thing about a fine. Bordeaux. They're not much fun when they're young usually at the management has become much more sophisticated. Not so how long you keep the buying me treated. The vote is much more sophisticated. Beautiful is it named after Oculus as in I was there. Something in the winery that let. Let's the light in or something like that. This device that lets the mighty into part of the wine store but from oculus slumps fired at is amazing and then a related winery in that. I think it's owned by the same group would be checkmate. This is another Anthony van mental production. They've named all of their winds after various chess pieces. So this is the silent Bishop Merlot. They've got Queens attack. I don't know the chess game well but it came in little chess. Set Kinda box is Kinda Fun. But what's the back story here? We only Mike Merlo and Sherman again. They're expensive wines winemakers to spare the WHO initially trained lawyer before he switched Eric. Meticulous wind by two chardonnays are give or take hundred dollars. The Merloz I think are about eighty five dollars versus tecate lives. Anthony at bought a winery about ten years ago. Down on the Golden Mile that had been operated by the comrade family of combat family and operated this comrie than and his adult rage not particularly distinguished wine producers. But it was a good site. The winery hit close an APP to be bought. It not forty site particularly but he bought it for the Mesnier next door which produced the Chardonnay with which mission hill won the avery trophy. Nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety four the trophy the Mission Hill and British Columbia on the world map and Anthony finally was able to get his hands on that and so the whole he hired. Show again the refurbish the the library. And the they during these other meant to take on the best of Burton County. Yeah they definitely do and tasted when earlier. Realizable widen the Okinawa and Merlo at sometimes disappointed. Because I thought some wonders overproducing was no problem with. This one is in the production. Yes Air Flea Control. Wow that's fantastic. Now John. You had mentioned the Hester creek the judge as being a real standout as well when we had talked earlier. What's The a special back story about this? One will be a first of all. The creek was named after in the fellow. The judge who in the nineteenth century ahead a big ranch in the Okinawan and his daughter was faster and the creek. Was named Esther Eventually the winery got up to the name pastor. That's changed owners two times. The current owner is a businessman from Prince. George was given his team all the tools. The vineyard is a fantastic piece of been fantastic terroir. Some of it was fun as far back as nineteen sixty eight. He's given his current team all the tools you need to mix pervert y Gan amid tremendous from Italy that treat the line very gently. It's the use. The the the gases from ferment. The optum back through the lie and brick captured as a result all across the range. It has to creek. There's a softness to the tenants. I could pick out a historic wine blind. Just extra and the judge has got that lovely sort velvety chocolate texture yeah mature Bordeaux it's definitely BC signature. But I found all of these wines. They're blockbuster powerhouses in a good way. But this one was the most subtle more like it just reminded me of a mature Bordeaux. I wouldn't age this much beyond ten. You know it's it's so good now. I know it's hard to resist only charging forty five dollars for. Wow that's a great tale were avoid. It is it's fabulous. Yeah absolutely all right. I'm going to mention a few more quickly now. But the godfather that's one with the works Adrian Cassini oh seeing winery loans to make the red white personality like the said winemakers up personnel. Adrian is as a powerful crests and he makes his wines all great intensity. Godfather is so little of head two or three years. Oh caging the blend is rich. Just makes a statement in Class. It does absolutely. I'll just mention these John. During your book. I mean I just can't get through all these because there's so many so good but painted rock John Skinner. I think one of the most gentlemanly winemakers the business really using the a block of Sarah in his vineyard John Schreiner Block L. Really a when he told me that all scattered what ashes there right because apparently when he was finding the vineyard the campus law didn't know what the I was interviewing. What do you think I should John of Said? If you saw will sue brilliant there as our own yes absolutely the Serov magnificent and you're telling me a little story about the winemaker for a black widow glass. Os Yes a big lancaster. Vickings a friend of mine. My as years ago when I was an amateur winemaker in Dick was an amateur winemaker very successful in in in other areas of business. He has two or three business degrees. He was a much better. Winemaker guy was so he went on to develop a winery island on to stop making. The world is better for both of US making that decision. That's great lovely lovely winds not sure. Why cold an hour less. Maybe he hasn't actually black widow spiders they are at one is called. Arachnophobia or phobia. I think another one of his wines. Yeah the big play on on splatters of that. You find that the dog and I remember once reading that they're not gonNA hurt you know. No no it's not true. Who GET SICK OKAY? Google rattlesnakes too. That's true you're desert technically and spurling's old binds recently. Kind of proof that you don't have to have a really expensive wine to be in this book icon doesn't mean just really pricey. So she her yeah. Gentleness have got the walks of nineteen seventy eight the recent flaps gentlest before m will inspire is ultimately new realized that there was something special with the recently made from those old wives and jetsons Robinson teach praising metabolism blacklisting as it's Shirley similar. I think she handled for my palate. The acid better than Daddy. I find the tattoos acid boost bracing when the wine. It's young and things to help Polish it a little a little bare but neither case my put several Russillo because if you're GONNA have a Wifi age recently it with the acidity especially as the preserving factor. We could have like a three volume series of this chat. Really I love hearing your stories but if you could sit down and taste or share a bottle of wine with anyone living or dead who would that be? Oh I'd have a bottle of champagne with Winston Churchill. Oh why's that first of all he he would be our knowledgeable. Secondly I have been mirer not of all things about Churchill but of a lot of things about Churchill. I have read many many books. Including is fabulous. Monica Mona through years ago. Church in the ball. Wa of all places I mean. He went to war in Afghanistan where he was in his early twenties. And then the war to develop a reputation as a hero so he could run for politics lists the often very funny I think. What's the famous live of? His lip was lady. Astor Amounts of Commons Said you know Winston. You're drunk team. You said yes but you're ugly in the morning you'll still be ugly. That's great. That's great and Paul Rosia. Think named one of their champagnes was appalled regime who named it Winston. Churchill was one of my gentleman. I can't remember either but yeah you're quite fascinated by his mind. But I think you'd mentioned you probably couldn't keep up with his prodigious drinking couldn't I couldn't go inside random any number of long's is this. The best one I read is a ten years old by Roy. Jenkins chance for Labor Chassar the Exchequer in Britain and the Biographies Outstanding Read Releasing Enough Booze conducted the war successfully. Wow maybe takes. He had a great line. It would certainly dull. You know the thing that's true. Nerves of steel or just nerves soaked in something not so much steel tanks. Anyway John Speaking of great minds and prodigious output and this has been wonderful. Tell us where can folks by your book online and in real life as they say in real life. Some of the major wineries in the Okinawan Syria in their tastes. I'd like to say it's probably in Mosaic Watsonville. On I'd like to say it's another bookstore but I'm afraid Canadian bookstores don't really support Canadian wine. Wilkes-barre well it is online. Though it is available Indigo Amazon is available and seventy money. Losing Northland Tuber you give me a call. I usually have a few of the basement. I'm happy to so signed for you. There you go and you're blog. Is it called good? Grog your blood. If you google that will finally but it's John Schreiner dot blog spot dot CA Josh Miranda. And just Google your name and you'll find we know and you. This has been absolutely wonderful. So here's to you John. Thank you so much for joining us. Take Care Will there you it. I hope you enjoyed this. Chat with John Schreiner. Here are my takeaways number one. John says he was a friend of BC wine. When BBC wine had no friends he truly knows this region having followed and tasted it since the nineteen seventies this makes his insights into the changes and future BC wine all the more compelling number two. I like John's definition of an icon wine. One that is both collectible and seller worthy price doesn't always dictate icon status number three. I was surprised to learn that. Bc has more than one hundred varieties of grapes planted though eight to ten account for most wine the diversity of the climate from the top of the Valley and higher altitude plantings at one hundred fifty meters above sea level to the southern tip allows for such a range from Pinot Noir to Sarah so too does the dramatic changes from daytime to nighttime temperatures number. Four I didn't realize that about half of BC wines our firms organically and that ear drainage from the top of the mountain down into the Valley Helps Reduce Frost damage and disease and finally number five. I'm looking forward to working my way to more than one hundred wines that John Names as icon wines in his book. They're all on my bucket list now or should I stay spitoon list except that I will not be spitting these out. 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E27 Campfire Podcast

Military Paranormal Investigations Podcast

38:38 min | 6 months ago

E27 Campfire Podcast

"Saying that it's not is possible for there to be something. I'm not saying that it's not possible and I'm not saying that. So you know it is possible. It's this is GonNa have to. There's GonNa be a lot more evidence for me to write I to make that decision and it's going to have to be some really hard evidence you're listening to. NPR Paranormal contest. Where the truth to be found a podcast exploring all things? Paranormal ponting's you evolves really really the unknown Are members believe in the skeptical of trump's bought with an open. Mind just trying to make sense of it all. I want to get back in there. Trying try to figure that out it is the on now. I don't really have a say on it right now because I don't know what the video looks like. I'm looking for the evidence. What's the evidence a story to me? He is not really evidence. Because that's one person's experience and I do I take my personal beliefs into but like you said that. I have might skeptical side. They approved another way military. Paranormal investigations is not affiliated to any brands of the military coming from North Texas on multiple platforms. Here are your hosts members of the team and welcome to MCI Military Paranormal Investigations First Campfire podcast as always. My Name's is rob. I'm Mike and then we got some other ones here. They're afraid to speak up Jeremy. And Jacob and Daniel So we are out at a location this week and I really don't WanNa say wear yet because We we got some report to this location. I'll talk about in a second but we got a report DOT here and we've been down here. This is like my third time to down here in the evening nighttime and I've scouted down here about six or seven times but I'm still questioning whether or not any of the stuff we've obtained is legitimate. which leads to be more and I just don't want to have anybody not that? I want to keep the location a secret. I welcome rainy investigator to go and do things. But I don't don't WanNa blow the yeah you don't want to jeopardize it right now because if we're in the beginning stages than if we got people coming out here they could probably say oh. Let's this fake them out. Let's not something. I think the report that you found or heard been pretty decent so far. I mean when you came down here last time you got that footprint that uh we haven't put it on our website or anything like that yet. You haven't done that yet. We WanNa make an extra little video about this whole process when we get done but the kind of maybe give you some background background. We had heard a podcast one time they kind of talked about this place. We're about an hour and a half from there and so we came out and checked it out and when we did that we were actually intrigued because if you know anywhere about where we live in north Texas. It's pretty much mosquitoes and open hills and prairie it lands. You're Kinda clerk to get into the plains and and it's just doesn't in my mind it doesn't show anything conducive for bigfoot reports not to say that there aren't there are signings out in the desert and places like that so we came down here and then after that Medica people we went to some conferences we talked to some people and we kinda got the background on what we had heard on the podcast and So there were like two January's in a row. There were some fairly aggressive reports at this location. And they WANNA believe remember correctly. There was campers that were down and they we had some stuff nationally. Left in the middle of the night didn't come back and then there was another report of some rocks and things that were thrown in then. We talked to this certain individual. All non. Don't have permission to say his name. He he gave us a His interview kind of we do we discussed it with him and he had his one of his most profound experiences out here. Maybe when we try to do this if we can get him on pretty I said this is like one of his first profound experience. He had one of his only and and he's not a lot of stuff and beat a lot of stuff masticated a tremendous amount of stuff and basically he had a really good experience so we came down here checked acted out and then I came back. we kind of walked around with this stuff and bound. This spot came back again. And My eh son. Daniel came down here with us. We we came down here when camping weekend in. You're just going to fish in and to see if we hear anything just to kind of scope it out a little bit. When I came down here and I was in the summer months that there were some footprints then I found at this particular location and and of course in the summer and we were down here? People swimming in it didn't really strike me as audit I but then I got to notice I've got some trackways The smallest the tracks aren't what you would think. Is You know when people talk about the they say eight nine ten feet tall and four foot between tribes clearer road in two and a half steps. the tracks that I was not and a half inches one was twelve inches. Actually casted him They weren't very good casts. I didn't I didn't come for like a full investigation. I just had what I had my go bag. And what really quite enough. They were little fan but I do have those all end up and pictures and everything but anyway anyway. The smaller track was around I think he was around twenty eight inches stride and then the bigger track doc was around thirty eight inches tried Between the Toda Hill and the way they did they came up out of this at the time. When we came the the water was pretty high? We actually use our tax. Kinda get over even though you can walk through the woods and get to this area but we used our tixx get over there. But we're tracks came up out of the water. They came out of a little spot of water under a tree and they circled around this little sand sandy area and walked out on the point. Eight turnaround came back. Came back through and then they stopped and turned and went off through. I can only really you guys Miami Vermont Verbiage here but I can only describe as vista swampy. It's it's a run off of the creek when the creek swells up than it brings all the trees and limbs and leaves and sticks and it just dumps into this little low spot in these things went straight across barefoot with. That's the purpose struck me as odd. Because I thought you know you didn't find that out until after we came back we second time. Well yeah when it was a little swampy and then when you and I came back up the creek was dry then the spot where the water came out. We estimated about ninety nine point I got in there and it was above my head where they came out of and so they walked up out of that. So I'm thinking you know the creek went from like ankle deep at that point in time to this whole and then the tracks came out of this hole on thinking. Why would anybody really swim in that? That's not like but you know I kinda come from the deep South and it's not uncommon per se. What was uncommon was that these tracks walked barefoot across that other spot so cast them measured? Did everything that I could with equipment that I had and then you know when you and I were here really other than being able to verify some things that we didn't have any sightings or anything blew my mind per se or had any indication that there was any sightings of bigfoot here except for what you told me in how we're the steps were and how they came out of the that one spot in the back will then so today we come down we get set up camp and then we walk in. We were going to find a spot to set up some gain cans and we wanted to put up. You know some of the theories are as they like certain items like some eggs or some fruit or newbies and things. We wanted to put up some spots along the trail with these game cameras. Just kinda messed with it a little bit whilst we were walking in we found track way. And it's not very long. It's three or four steps that the most but that's one of the things that you kind of look for is you see one footprint. You're in the middle of nowhere. Then you kind of debunked back on how to get there. But there's three or four writes in that area. We measured kind of a rough estimate again they was they were arraigned here. So this is Saturday night a rain here Thursday night and you can see the raindrops in the track that you can see what looks the Oslo toes They have a very similar appearance in shape to the tracks that I took pictures of back in May A and they are pretty if you estimate the link on them because again they're old tracks but they're pretty similar in. This is to the tracks that I can't four so I don't know I'm intrigued me. It makes me WANNA come spend some more time and you know I know Jacob pain from a long way away been looking researching on the maps and Google Earth and that sort of stuff kind of identified some other spots that they have good heavy cover and you know this place. Is You know drive by within ten miles of here been been doing this for fifteen years and I've been here and when you're over on the interstate or nothing there's nothing there's nothing but field and scrubs you know scrub like the mosquito in e- I would've never known. This place was beautiful thick and we found that just I think it was last time we and then we went to electrical line. Because that's one of the kind of air quotes where they say. They like like travels along the electrical line because it has a little bit of a clearing but there's trees on both sides where they can easily escaping there and we went back electrical line way all the way back until bill could go no more and like well. Let's try and come back through in the creek bed and trying to get through that man. That stuff was thick. We we know today. You know you hadn't gotten there yet today The four of US went down. And we're walking and when we found the tracks. Jeremy Kinda kept going. Germany's our resident skeptic on the big pasta. I consider him. He's he's my younger brother but I consider him extremely experienced variance than outdoors and and from jobs and things that he's had in the past is hobbies He kind of went on them. It's just kind of scout around. And and he kinda got in front of us so he found a spot it was kind of what he called the high ground. It was about what ten feet tall above us as we were in a creek bed and each side was steep cliff. That went up. Well so he got up on that highground and sit right there when we came out matter of fact that Jacob went up on the other bank and looked right at him and said he looked directly at him. And he's wearing. What was your shirt? Red Red Orange emiss- color and then like whether who's I'm colorblind. Green Green Green Pants. Somebody wouldn't like wouldn't like it's not like board you. You know. Mandatory red type color. It was still red. Yes still ready to be able to see and Daniel and I walked within ten feet of and never ever ever saw so. That's kind of where we were going today. Is You know people are like well. How could this be right here? This close to you know a major city or this or that or the other but when you're in there and that's that big you know and there's a lot of trails around here but when we go through that there's not a you see the occasional bottle creek bed. It probably came from somewhere else that you don't see a lot of sign of other people and it's I mean people just I mean you get people like us that go in or just recreational hikers. They go in but I don't think there's much activity in their I human activity I would agree. I mean what even going back there tonight. The only thing we saw his main mostly deer tracks and we pulled the thermal scope and we could see three or four deer along the creek. The along. The the bank on the other side of the river are the other side Lake. And that's about all we saw me. We we got that one game Cam that's pointing at that trail nothing but deer tracks but you never know I mean we put up a bunch of offerings to try nine see if there is a big foot that would take the stuff such as marshmallows. apples He he was having a good time putting them up in the trees and stuff eh lure him out. You know you try to put on where your typical animal can't get it would require. You might get Iraq. Gets up in a tree but hopefully well you know we got a game camera or something. That's dumbing on that But my question for you guys because I still don't know where I really stay in but so what do you think about the whole year here. You've seen those tracks. You've heard the record. You heard the stories on a rob. You heard actually first-hand some of the yeah. Yeah I never thought I but I wasn't sure if he was at this part of the at the youngest the area okay because I found looking at and the top when I was looking at the other side I found another sandy area. So I don't know if this area or that area over there you hear that I heard that that's not nice. I'm GonNa need a person I don't know if the audio with data But so I would like to think on this side because you found the steps over their the footprints on that side in. You're talking about the other lake. Yeah the other lake on the Chevy said the Little One oh he just little then yeah it would definitely be. Yeah this one over here And but what do you think about. You know. We always watch the stories. You see what you see on. TV which we try to take that with a grain of salt. Sometimes what are you what are you what are your opinions on. Do you think big the real well. There's lark could be a lot of back and forth on that subject. I mean me me as a skeptic when you when you guys started going down to the big conferences Jeff went first time. I didn't go a okay. Whatever but then I started going with you guys and it was like like interesting learning about that stuff but I'm still on the skeptics side? I mean yes. A lot of people have said they've seen sightings writings has been cast. The footprints like that and I was always on that side of the fence until I heard Bob talk until his story and then going back and rea watching that footage and and his story has stayed the same after all these years. I don't think he's lying about it. I really don't so. Is it possible. It's out there. Several of them. Yeah I think it's possible I mean look how easy it is to hide in the woods. It really is when you and I were here last time we we walked upon a hunter within fifteen feet fifteen feet of them and the only reason I saw him is because he made a slight movement to my left in my peripheral vision caught him and I was like Whoa like. Oh Hey but when you think about and this is where I go with it so then you think about my belief it is is if it's a real creature than it is an unidentified species yes You know may be wrong. But that's that's my belief but I think that it probably along somewhere along the way we share something in common with it. I don't know what that would be. But if it's close to smart as human as with the skills and cunning of an animal to camouflage of the hair if something wanted to hide thus in here with Germany now. We're talking about that today if he if he didn't want us to see him we're going to see him in. But then you take something that's can think like him but it's camouflage that lives out here. That knows the area that does all this say no truly agree with that that that's like just about any animal out here in the woods. If they don't WANNA be found they're not going to be found they're gonNA crouch down they're going to hide. You're going to wait until you walk by. And then they're going to get the heck again there but in that can this particular area. There's creeks in these little spots that low like almost like islands but we're talking. What twenty thirty feet tall? All on some of these rooms and they're and for us to try to traverse through that is that was lightning. I saw when you saw lighting We start early. It's a way of North that you could say the flash but it's something to hide from us. I think he I think he can. I think it. I think it's possible. I'll tell you that this. There's two two things my skeptical brain rain when I got here and all the tracks what I wanted to say is we were sitting here. Watching kids swim on the other side but when I saw where they were at and then when you and I came back and yeah they walk across when he was driving. Yeah there's I mean there ain't nobody in their no they love walk across back. You know what I mean if you had to if you rent a survival but you're not here you know what I mean and then the other thing is over the years that we've been doing this of met a lot of people. Yeah I've heard their stories. I've got to where I know some of these people that I've heard their stories and I hear about their encounters. I hear about about listening to the the monkey here. The Samurai chatter. I hear them witnessing a Yale. or how how when they know that there's forty miles of fastness on the other side of them and there's no humans in there and they hear that that that sound that is not you know there's audio bank says the Smithsonian. They recorded us about every known animal. There's sounds that just aren't natural for another animal animal to me not to say that's not what it is but I just. I think it's a distinct possibility. I don't know my fall over the fence. Chit a lot of it has to do with taking it with a grain of salt and then if you hear all these these different stories like our encounter that we had air quotes that we had back at the last conference we had just been listening all day to all these different bigfoot encounters that they had and then we go out to the spot that's known to have sightings we sit there and the truck we get the smell that everyone says associated with the bigfoot. Because they don't pay then they're out there and they can put up some sort of another word for him skunk eight because they are the the smell is just like dead rotting flesh. It's bad and we smelt that. And then we hear knocking in the woods. And then we hear ear rushing through the woods coming at the truck first thing we did is like everyone else would do run we. I mean it was. It was frightening so I mean if you see stuff that's like the video I just saw recently when we were talking about earlier. If we had not said we're going back tomorrow Morrogh that would have been our story. We would have sworn up and down that bigfoot bummer. Sure did you know that's exactly would have the story but I don't know I know You know we're we're kind of new to this. The heart of it I you know. I'm an avid outdoorsman. And I've heard the stories and I've listened to it but I I'm still kind of new to this and I I don't Okay Jacob. You're kind of nudity. We think I'm I'm still new. I've been studying this for about a about a good Mont.. Maybe two months coming coming home now and I mean there's thousands and thousands of reports. And how many reports. That aren't reported disappear old country. Boys say say you know. It'll be fun of their crazy you know so. They've been smoking some you know but The way I look at it is let's say say there's ten thousand reports. What if only ninety nine percent of them live bellies one percents telling the truth? You got that many people lying or telling the truth there. Still something out there in the woods. So I mean there's there's very good chance but yours telling a story about Your in the truck and then Jassem bum rushed. y'All but when you came back the next day I I don't believe we are our guests. Are we heard what will happen when you come back. And we we told it in a previous podcast but we came back the next day. There was where we had stopped the truck that we were going to get out there but we were just pulled up. We were just listening right to what was going on Kinda see and well you know. Get in the field for what was happening happening and before we went down there right before a couple hours we were in an area that had tornadoes hail and it was bad. Hooper highway was extremely extremely bad but went back the next day the where we pull authors and actually turn out there. That's got a gay long gay that you can't get in on the Forest Service Road and there's somebody had dumped a cow at the at the gate and it was rotten. Yup that's where we got the smell and then we looked up and there's buzzers all Austrian the trees that's knocking because the cow Yep and then we realized that there was a pantry. And I'M GONNA say that two or three grown men would have had to put their hands around on this was a big. It was a big pine tree pine tree hundreds of feet tall huge tree but it had failed uprooted. Probably during the what we assume at this point is the wind had dislodged. It was maybe laying over then all those buzzards were roosting in the tree that night. And that's what we were hearing that up in the trees the rustling that we were hearing and then it just. The tree came on over but the tree fell directly at the tre and stopped ten yards so the top of the tree when it slapped. I mean it literally shook the drug if I mean it's like an explosion. It was dug down the back seat. I I'd like to go if you can imagine a tree that large falling in landing ten feet from us it was frightening and I you said that would have been our story. Had We left we would have said we got there. We were surrounded on both. We were hearing some legitimate. Sounds on the left side yes. We were They could endear anything but we hear that. Then we hear the right side than we get. The smells smells kept coming back. And you know it over imagination and that's exactly what it was and we because of our when we left we you and I went and stayed up all night. We were laying. That was so loud. I well now. I think we spent like four or five o'clock in the morning but we went back the next day. And that's that was that's and that's one of the things we try to do. That's like here. I'm sitting here trying to look You know what we've found these trackways were trying to measure the track lease trying to we're trying to cast them trying to photograph That's one of the things I noticed went back and looked at the pictures that I took him to the tracks. Look extremely similar in shape. Right it's I don't know I think there's I think there is a phenomenon I I think there's a phenomenon here I mean we have three pretty credible reports right. I have two different times. We've got I know one time was definitely footprints. Yes yes that that one print that you sent me by far that that's the best footprint I've seen in that the the difference. This is the toes. That's what got me was the toes and it and they're smaller. There's no archway almost has. There's a a couple of tracks that had this it. Has the mid parcel break right by. Dr Meldrum talks about some of the well-known researchers. I I I don't they don't have the arch. It's flat water. Flat it's got a mid race got. It's kind of a weird or track. That was enough saying Kinda got some long skinny any toes. And they're and they're smaller but they're they're both kind of wedge shaped. I don't know how to describe that there anyway. You see that that and then so now we're here. What was it a couple of days ago we had Snow flurries We had got it gone. We have snow fed a little dusting just up the road here. They got a couple of inches and you know and so they're not. It's raining on that. And he was thirty something degrees thirty one degrees Thursday night. I WANNA say it was low thirties and then so we go into the woods here. It's about I'M GONNA say a quarter a third of a mile. And what do you think Gary probably his say. Good good quarter two third off of the beaten trail like you have to cross the creek. You have to go up another creek and there's barefoot footprints in January and it's thirty degrees. Somebody explain that to me. And here's the thing is it period Dole. Are we really. I mean I. I know the first tracks were foot. Branson why these are intriguing to me is because they're similar in size shape parents see. That's just the thing I gotta go off the photo that you percent so I I I would need to see. Well we're going to try to cast tomorrow. Yeah we're going to try and if it's similar to the other cast I took would that problem is it doesn't have the details exactly. It's been rained right. I mean it's still pretty. It's it's under a tree glitzy so it's got some definition but you can look at it and you can clearly make out what would look like to be toes coming down to the bank or going up and thank you. You can see how they would kind of like curl almost like if you're trying to claw your way up it exactly like you your toes or trying to bite exactly. I could see that would that one but I would need to see more I really would. I mean we have audio recorders recorders. We have an issue with one of the game camps. It's an older one and we should have known better but again we're also having fun out here when we come out here and really person and I know that knows that it worked at his chest. Fortunately he could make an ad here with us. Yeah we're Alison Krauss Earl and acid. We're GONNA come down today but They they're trying to get a house ready to sell and then Jeff came down with the flu like two days before so he wasn't able to make it so we may think that we have a bad cam right but he might he. He was the only one that I knew that because I never been good that Dang thing the work. It's an older one. We need to replace it with something thing. Anyway we have those we have those that we have the deals We got the door going and we have somebody recorders deep in the woods yet strapped to some trees of high. We've got gets parabolic nights out here. I'M GONNA walk in a little later. We had the the We looked earlier with thermal imaging scope one the embankment. We did here. I know you and I heard heard a loop but no one else did and I thought it was you and you thought it was somewhere else I wasn't with you at the time but I know I heard woo out here. I don't think anyone is out here playing with us just because I don't think they know what we're doing out here. Which is why we wanted to keep US location on the down low? So there's another group that comes out here but I haven't seen any signs or it's pretty easy to tell typical bigfoot heart yeah they doing the hoop and Holler and trying to get. It's attention knocking. I mean we haven't heard any of that at least I haven't since I've been here the we haven't seen Mitch activity at all but the morning is another debt. So you'd never know we might get something on the audio. Never know something tonight. I mean we. We left a trail all the way back from those all the way up here you so you never know it might catch it in lead something back here that we would here tonight Supposedly the two eyewitness sightings were. They were violent encounters. So I I haven't seen any signs of anything aggressive or anything like that. No Your typical tree. Markings territory mark territorial markings opposes That sort of stuff so when you did find a deer carcass up the road of the trail found T- to okay. Well somebody dumped this one. That's okay that's obviously in a legal hunter that shot that little thing yeah and dumped it and then we found one in washed out. Looks like it may have been a victim of the flood okay. It was kind of a washout or it could have been dead for some else got washed down but it was kind of tangled up in some in some wash out in the bottom of a routine. So you said you found some Feces well yeah. We got to look at. That could be a typical animal but it was one of the things that faked. It was an easy heard SCAT from bigfoot could be I really arrogant that we found was really hairy. Wasn't very large at all like I would think but at the same. I'm Tom I don't if there's something here I don't think that they're able to talk. I think they're which some of your bigger researchers of said I think they're six and a half seven but I don't think you're not in the would be more human size which is more along the lines of the track would my little foot. Those are more South American type signing a belief And then also in light tawny Jn places like that. What are you what are you Jeremy Is? You're pretty skeptical What are your thoughts thoughts on what we have their reports? What's here being being a really big skeptic? I'm typically one of those people that have a hard time believing things until I actually see something for myself and to me. That's what it's GonNa take to make me a believers. I'm going to have to see something. Would it have to be physical cider if you like. If we get audio house on the record or even the what the talking to call it. The the the chatter chatter. I still don't know that it would make me a full believer I would have to try to figure out in my in my head and the way I think I would have to try to figure out what would cause that would do that But I I mean to me. It's going to pretty much. Take me to actually see one to to believe Adam almost the the same way. But I've seen the foot France and I'm like okay. I'm leaning more towards its existence than not used to and I'm not saying that it's not. It's not possible for there to be something. I'm not saying that it's not possible and I'm not saying that it is possible but it's this is going to have to. There's going to have to be a lot more evidence for me to write it to make that decision and it's going to have to be really hard evidence evidence for me to make this for that was to say outstanding claims statements or extraordinary claims. Take extraordinary evidence. Yeah I think so well but that's I don't know do you have anything. I'm just looking forward to listening tonight. it's pretty windy here when you get down in them and the creek beds it's a little Yeah it's windy out here but it's really quite alot. Hello where we put the audio recorder very quiet But that's what we're doing if you saw us all social media this is where we're at what we're doing This is more of my alley. I- A German. I grew up in the woods In the deep south southwards a little more wooded how we ended up in North Texas von. I fault we the Air Force took me up to the Landau. Yeah no trees but I I enjoy this th early It kind of falls in line with my interest kind of like Jacob was saying earlier. There's so many stories. You have the native American tells you. Have you know different cultures as you do. Every tribe of native Americans have have their own stories of bigfoot. Yep every culture around the world every continent Has Another car. Every continent has something Similar stories or styles of reports. There's different belief systems you know. Is there alien tie in. Is there a spiritual tien. Is there a some sort of metaphysical tie in is is if strictly flesh involves animal. I mean there's so many things out there and and I think we're all over. We're GONNA find out. Try to get out there. Yeah and and look totally agree and already aurigny will. This is again what we were doing. hope you into a discreet little campfire you can hear the Kampar sizzling there in the background. How did probably not going to put this up as a regular podcast with the insert into one of our okay? We're we're going to get back to the campfire and it's coming up on eleven thirty Alabama thirty one in the woods. A little bit safe. We can hear some Yup and do you have anything you wanted to add. And I like Mike said hope you enjoyed this little little campfire podcast and I don't know we might put it out as I can. We might have content. Yeah we'll see what the time stamp is is and it could put out as a mini. 'cause we got it's going to be another week or so before we finish up on the Hawaiian exactly so from unknown location. This is rob signing up all right. y'All not somebody's gotta go night. y'All not y'all that's allison

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Episode 22 - Happy Halloween 2019

Military Paranormal Investigations Podcast

59:37 min | 9 months ago

Episode 22 - Happy Halloween 2019

"And you're listening to the M. P. I.. Paranormal podcast where the truth is to be found a podcast exploring all things paranormal ponting's. UFO's re really. The unknown unknown are members believe in the skeptical approach but with an open mind just was trying to make sense of it all. I want to get back in there and try to figure it out that is beyond now. I don't really have a say on it right now because I don't know what the video looks like Armagan for the evidence has a story to me is not really evidence. Because that's one person's experience and I do my first level but like you said that I have in another way military. Paranormal investigations is not affiliated to any branch of the military. It's time coming to you from North Texas on multiple platforms for maximum. Reach here are are your hosts members of the team and welcome to military investigations radio. My Name is rob. I'm Jeff I'm Alison Mike. I wanted to start off by saying happy Halloween. This is going to be put out there on Halloween Wean so I just wanted to make sure morrow night yes anyone going trick or treating. I'll be going with my grandson. Aw lucky dogs yeah go ahead NAUSEA GONNA say I'm too you might my daughters granddaughters too young to go now so I gotta wait a couple of years. Yeah I have one left at home that trick or treats and it's supposed to be like twenty eight degrees tomorrow so I'm really. That's what I remember ever since I moved to Texas. was that always on Halloween. The temperature plummets. Yes it does it a lot on Halloween. Wait I mean Probably about three or four years ago. It wasn't that bad but yet now it's just going out there my son last year he could win for his last year. But he's like don't don't WanNa pass out candy is like one of my friends. Posted a a little thing that talked about My sunset it's too cold to go so if I would just go Obama bag of candy that I could stay at home. I thought well maybe I can do that. Now it's Halloween. It's this is my favorite time of year. I I know. It's probably Allison's favorite time of year. She has twins and their birthday is tomorrow. Oh Wow eighteen years old team well. Happy early birthday then. Them Man make sure you have them. Have you had them listen to. The podcast. Won't say happy birthday to them there. There you go I they always listen. Okay scenes how it is alouine and everything. I know we've been leading up. We did a couple of many episodes to where each one of us told a little scary story story or a little bit about our past. Some are past paranormal experiences and I think this time. We decided with the Halloween. Why don't we continue with the Halloween thing and tell some of our scary stories or like campfire stories or possibly one of our favorite scary movies? Alison sorry you. You can't do because you don't watch scary movies Scary Movie Out One scary movie about even growing up. Not One never watched all right. Well then you gotTa do the Campfire story if you get one of them got a campfire story or some Let me think okay you think on that one and then probably about talking about some of the the costumes. We probably wore growing up that we can remember. Yeah just keep it a little light hearted still have a little fun with you guys for Halloween exactly well. Hey before we get. It started Where can we be found guys? Well definitely military paranormal DOT com. Our website you can find that youtube you can find us on twitter and facebook and now you can also find us on instagram right. Yeah we set that up have to set it up. Everyone's like hey you gotta get an instagram account. Everyone okay okay. So I had my daughter destiny. She set it up for us and she was looking to get military paranormal for us. Sorry Michael you're looking to get one as well. Well actually. I created one last night. I couldn't find our names. I had to create something really weird so if anybody's listening to this. That already followed that. When I'm going to be deleting that with the one back because I didn't realize that destiny had done that that's great that she got her name exactly? I was really bummed out about that. I would have been too and I was like Oh man that was the only one you could find like. Hey did you chance chance setup that instagram we talked about she goes dad linked to our facebook page. And everything is like. We'll see username. She goes military param. Yes all right. The other thing I wanted to say is if you guys are listening to us here you can find us on just about every major podcast player. That's all I know that we are now on spotify iheartradio all all of this sorts of things. If you like us if you if you don't it doesn't matter but please go give us a rating that Kinda helps us get seen a little better I knew. It's is really big on that and with. I don't know what's going to happen since attune is going away. It said Apple podcasts apple podcasts. They don't they have just apple podcast. Then we we should be on that. 'cause I know it told us to reset our settings for our feed and everything and I did that so we should still be going out to apple. ITUNES or apple podcasts. Whatever it's called now in our house IOS popping were really easily searchable in there but yet you're listening especially in one of those other players make sure you go give us a Lichen Review? That would be a highly appreciated comment. Come on yeah also Maybe before we start our Halloween piece like to kind of talk few minutes about the investigation. We did this past last weekend. Okay did we give our disclaimer that we are not affiliated. Any brand military might remember that he did not remember that. But I was just thinking that we're we're kind of making Cheshire redundant on that big xactly painted in the new intro as well and additionally I would like to thank all of those folks both present and in the past that have served in the military. Thank you for your service It means a lot. Yes it does. I also speaking of the investigation. I wanted to make sure that I took time to think absolutely everybody that interacted with us during that investigation lower had a tremendous amount of followers and interviewers throughout the night I know crashed a couple of times I because I wasn't able to go with you guys but when I I my wife woke me up because I fell asleep with my phone on my chest and she woke me up. And she's like you're you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA go to sleep or what and I'm rob woke up route as rob said and Mike fell asleep on but when I picked it up there was at that time there was I think fifty viewers watching live in all throughout the night that number just skyrocketed went up and down. We had so many comments comments we had it was in our facebook metric showed over thirty thousand people reached on that investigation. So we really WanNa say we appreciate it. Guess what you guys that were interacting and everything on that speaking of the investigation that you WanNa get into we were out in. BFE's we had no signal signal. I mean when we were setting up and everything I was trying to get her because her router was way in the back. And we're trying to do it wirelessly and I just couldn't I was losing signal which is probably why you you saw the start and stop all the time and do the different feeds and I grabbed my phone. I was like okay. We're GONNA start this up and I was able to do a live feed with my phone own and everything and people were just commenting left and right here from here here from Tennessee Kentucky Ohio Ohio I was like wow yeah yeah I was just like wow. Yeah but that was yeah. That was pretty much a logistical nightmare. FERMENT and I know it was rob pushed it to me. I actually strained it from my house or I Texas. Yeah Yeah and They were able to keep rolling there without using up all their resources so actually it was a pretty interesting so the first part if you first couple ones it's it's kind of spotty but After Mike went ahead and started hosting. That's where it just picked off in blossomed. The and our investigation. It was cold to say the least God. It was cold cold out in the middle of nowhere. We only had Three investigators yeah everyone. Everyone had to bail on us and it was. It was bad but we may do. We think we did. If I think it turned out really good I mean the client really enjoyed it. Yeah we need to thank. Her is all Nikki. Thank you so much for letting US come out there and investigate your property take it was. It was a great experience. I had a lot of fun just like you said. I think you'll have some kind of personal experiences. A we had. We had a couple of personal experiences variances but not so much. I can't say personal for anything that was attached to me or you but I mean we. We may have saw some things I know I. I personally saw things on the monitors but for the most part I was in ops and let Kevin and Jeff do the investigative. Yeah well I know for me and I think Kevin as well We had an area where we went into in both of US got extreme headaches right In a short period of time and didn't that happen to rob later on. Yeah actually I was in. I believe the The basement just like last time and I just felt this heavy feeling I mean I. I don't even know I went into the bedroom once. Yeah Yeah I think once but I think coming from the basement is the same place that I got the headache class time right and then coming from the basement up to there I think I'm just magnified it and I was like I gotta go. I gotta get Outta here I do. My head is pounding as soon as I got back. Aside about twenty minutes later I was good to go and that's so it was for me and I was in the bedroom. Were a lot of. The activity was reported in It just came on all of a sudden right You know I'd been in the room. Maybe two two three minutes and didn't have any problems but then it just hit me like a ton of bricks right. Yeah so I don't think Kevin had any problems. He I think only Kevin's problem was probably his neck surgery. He was trying to do too. Yeah yes she work Evan. I know that you know I was watching. And and there was one time that you and Vicky I was you guys. were an ops and both we also. Did you see that at one time. I couldn't go back because I was again. Trying to stream at it when a mess with the feed need a whole lot but And then I know one time I was watching. It looked like the K.. To off and then that was at the same time when one of the Voice recorders died as well. Well right and then you know we're having some the Brim pod was having Yeah that was later on at night. We were having the Ramp Amelia we we it was spotty during the night but at the end is when we had the most rampant in the front room her bedroom as a matter of fact not the room that they claimed all the activity writes her bedroom. Which is why we couldn't figure that out? But it was really weird because when Kevin and I went and did the recon the first time I believe was it was a big fear cage there was all this emf. I couldn't explain it. I was like okay. We'll come in. We'll investigate what I can almost guarantee you the reason you're having all these probably because the fear cage the the hallucinations coming from the magnetism messing with the brain and everything And then when you and I went br the data before the investigation the readings were completely dead. Nothing I was getting athlete. Nothing and I was like what the heck I I couldn't explain it and then when we went back later on tonight the readings happened again. Yeah we were getting the high enough and it was like couldn't explain and so I'm I'm interested I haven't looked at any of the video yet. because we downloaded it. And I'm having a problem bringing it over to my computer But I'm gonNA bring the the to the N.. VR The network video device. So I think that's probably the best way to watch it and I'm just GonNa Watch it from that. Put It on a big screen and just sit there for nine hours times for will and watch. That was why was A. I was actually one of the things I wanted to say. You know a lot of people when they they watch the TV shows they see them they go in they investigate and then they show a couple of clips of them. Sitting in the hotel A conference room and they review in some stuff but we had four cameras yeah. Hd Cameras Live. Sorry Mike Yeah one of this and I thought we had four cameras at nine hours. which is how long investigation? We had at four audio recorders and at nine hours. We had the GAB. The game cameras that were set up. We had the Edna setup but anyway just the cameras and the audio is seventy two hours. What's that we have to review? All right We do that multiple times multiple individuals so that we can discounter credit. Whatever needs to happen so anyway anyway? It's it's a little it takes us a little. You find something back several times and it's been an hour on one thing trying to figure it out so that adds on to the review fetishes. which is well talk so I guess to wrap this up? Probably what we need to say as folks just Stay tuned we're going to review the audio and the video you and we'll get back with you and give you some feedback on what we found on this investigation and we also have to go through our facebook comments because they were people comedy thirty one sir how much I think on one video lonely and like seventy comments telling us you've got to look you've got to look here okay. Thanks for the extra is and everything. But that's a lot of footage to to review and go back and forth is going to be interested in this case is by far one the longest ones. We've done Now Yeah one of the longest I would say. Macarthur was probably longest because we wanted to be in their longtime but We the at one here a while back. That was what we did one here in town and it was the exergen camera. The Sun Kings. Okay Okay Yeah Yeah I know the church here in town we did it. Oh six UN's in the Church Was Korea but anyway thank you guys Stay tuned hopefully now. Now that we've kind of got this down a little. Actually facebook live. I think made that really flow a lot better than it used to our streams. Yes I think it did a lot and another another reason why we went to the instagram. Because everyone's telling us that the instagram is even better than facebook live and then also Youtube Youtube live so hopefully we're going to get all these platforms rolling again and Where you maybe you can share it? And that is of course if the client grants his permission example and do their bit it makes it easier for them sometimes because she did have some family scattered country entry so it makes it a little easier for them to get in there and I would also like to say that if you have a place you want to come investigate hook us up. Let me know. We'll come out there as long as it's within the travelling distance so All right so Halloween Wean tomorrow. Yeah Halloween tomorrow. So why don't we start with Movie that may have scared you when you were younger today. A And let's just talk about for a few minutes and then we'll go into something else. We think all right. Well I know before the podcast Mike and I were talking about. There's one that we liked and I'll let him handle that one and I'll chime in a little bit what that one But I wish allison can come in this one but now no screen nothing i. It's hard to believe you even growing up. You never watched one scary movie now because they give me not airs just one no no well. When did you realize he? He didn't like scary movies. I mean how old were you deeply jaws. Okay we'll see. I don't blame you because that is one of my no I yeah I go. I'll say this because you said also your I grew up in Pensacola Florida. Oh Yeah I wouldn't get in the water. Jaws was jaws three where they were scheduled to where they were skiing thing. Yeah so we would go down to the to the The islands they earn in on the Bay side they filmed that skiing scene Even though the movie was portrayed up there they filmed that skiing seeing there in the bay so every we would go out there and we would they would be skiing in. My parents will be talking kind of agile talking about jaws well then channel three on forget when they were getting ready to release the movie channel. Three paid the first giles and I was. I was keeping me when I was little They played the the next Johnson. I in any way supposedly. That's the story where I said my first cuss words. I ran around the the coffee table and the but anyway that messed with my head to this day I don't again. I grew up in a big town but because of jaws. You don't watch any scary movies because of that. Yeah Yeah because I don't want nightmares I can. I guess I can see that. But you gotta get the Adrenalin go- you gotTa feel that rush of meals. Do you go to scary. Haunted houses at all. Do what do That even the one up the road and Randall it Nope nope. I'll tell you this though. I don't like haunted. Houses like where people are reaching out and grabbing you and stuff like that and you can't touch them Emma. Hey we went to one down Waxahachie one time and it was a probably said that wrong for Texans but anyway that was crazy crazy it was. It was pretty psychologically damaging at that place. I think the scariest haunted House that I've been in is probably at the very end. Everything else really didn't bother me. I mean a little spookier and they might close. Your eyes wins a little bit. But I think the scariest thing is probably in this leads up to something but is is probably leaving the haunted house. And then there's a guy with a chainsaw chasing you or people are trying to get out of that small doorway way and look. There's chain on it that just that noise. Yeah Yeah went to a Halloween party and it's kind of Cliche. This was real community. You hear hear this a lot of times but I went to a Halloween Party and the Guy The kids were doing something in the background and they weren't supposed to be doing and the wing get the chainsaw that was made for a product that he broke in and did that and and kids feed themselves or whatever it was pretty fun run adult. So what was your movie my movie growing up with children of the corn. I can see that. Oh Good Lord that move I I still remember. It was a bunch of US kids and the adults were having a party and everything. It was a Halloween Party and they were doing her thing. I can't remember when they said okay. All you kids after. We're GONNA SIT DOWN WE'RE GONNA do scary movie okay until another corn was scary movie now. I've watched children of the corn now and I'm a man really scared of that but growing up seeing that little boy and everything being the preacher and then Dan I remembered at the end. The whole thing scared me but the end was what got me when the little preach boy comes back. And he's like Malachi he's coming for you Malachi no coming out of the even today I do not like cornfields. I cannot stand going near Cornfield when when I met my wife and everything they lived next to a cornfield. I'm like come on no I hate quench cannot stay in cornfields. I hate cornfields. Would you rather live by cemetery or Cornfield cemetery. GimMe a cemetery not petrified to the cemetery. I can do that all day long along. But you give me near Cornfield That's like that new commercial. That came out with Insurance one with Flo. Oh Oh yeah where. They're coming out of the corner of the House. Like I would have been like that former honey get in the house. Yeah that's good. You know that that was probably the one growing up that still to this day I I have like you said. Ptsd Eh with that and then probably another one. Yours Krueger. I'm renounced. Nightmare announcer love of that series. Loved that series. And I'll let you talk about that one and then probably today the grudge the graduate around. Yeah yeah the ring really. Wasn't that bad. I mean it was bad but the grudges would mean it's it's simply because of the attic scene yeah And and when when we have to go on investigate and you can ask Jeff for this and we go and investigate is the attic and we had to go in the attic on this past investigation. And just it's like I'll go up okay and literally. He's up in there and I'm still inching my way up and I look over my shoulder and I'm like okay. I'm looking I see plenty light. It's like okay I can get up in here in a slowly creep up in go towards the middle and I just sit down and jess walking all over this addict and he just going there and go and there's this little cubbyhole down at the end just as little cutout and eventually lead over to just the the Awning Awning Yeah. It was over the import. I'm watching him. The whole time and the grudges in my mind. It's in my mind and out of the corner my I I think I see something move in the corner and might I grabbed my phone and I started filming and I'm just sitting there still and just like what I was just watching and I'm zooming in and it looks like in the corner. You just see this to me because I'm already paranoid. You see what looks like this little faced. Just just come out of the shadows and just stand there and I'm like okay. I'm the yeah I went down but it wasn't there but it was my mind effect that I had. Yeah the grudge. Just gets me every time seeing that girl there and It's pretty scary. And I I want to watch this movie and I have yet to do. Because I'm like Alison Right now. I'm scared the none even though I hear the AIDS but I can't watch it. I don't know why I cannot wash none and I think it's because that one scene in the previews receive the none come across and grab that person and take on new. They've got some some scenes in it where you'll jump. That's for sure. Yeah Yeah I haven't been able to do it and it's on my HBO. And I'm looking at it every time I pass by. Nope just keep going. Those are probably my my movies that get me boy. I think for me. It started started out when I was out. I don't even remember. I might have been ten years old living at home and the movie. The Legend of Lizzie Board. Not Know if you guys are familiar. A million's with Elizabeth Montgomery appearance correct. Well supposedly killed it killed her parents correct but I remember it was coming on late at night and dad. Mom said you need to go to bed. Well my brother and I decided to sneak into the entrance way of our room where the TV was and they. My parents didn't see is what we watched this movie and we both got scared. So I'm laying in bed and I'm like got the blankets up to is you know just scared and the next day my parents must have known something was going on because they're like you look really tired and I'm like yeah. How will we watched a movie? We weren't supposed to watch. You told yourself I did. I did Probably one of my I move. It scares me only because of what we do the exorcist which came out in nineteen seventy three very well. It's based on some true events Really scared me and it scared if you look at the history of the exorcist when when it first came out it grossed a lot of money when it came out and you read a lot of the people saying you know it was the scariest movie ever seen and you see the videos where they were passing out. Yeah yeah so I watch it now and I'm like but yeah back then it was like yeah. We'll look out and and today probably it doesn't really it does scare me at times Kind of like you were saying. There's some movies where you we know all of a sudden they'll just have this thing comes at you real quick I love the conjuring series. Oh Yeah that that for me is is a is a great series stories And while it does scare me because of some of the stuff that you know the jump out scenes I dislike how it's Britain and it's done more on more of the paranormal than you know the slasher movies with Jason and Freddy and all of those. Well some some of that could be true You know you could have serial serial killers But you know some some of it's really far fetched. That's just allison rubbing up against a MICA. She leaves where are you going. Oh okay all right well you have a great night and I'll be back okay. I'll probably be gone but never know so. So those are those are some of the movies that I remember And I thought for sure Alison was going to get on when you started talking about the condron. Because of her story with the haunted doll's. Yeah and the liver and Lorraine and warn and everything and you know the interesting thing is is and I think we've talked about this on one of our other podcasts. You know the whole Annabelle doll. Brian is portrayed totally different. Real dental tally porcelain glass. Don has yeah we see porcelain dolls. Give me the humidity's yeah. I mean really old ones. Oh you know you get one with the lazy or something here. Here's a question I've got for you for you guys in for the audience out there. How many have a fear of clowns lowndes my brother is deathly afraid of clowns? So's my daughter. He goes into fighter flight. Like when we go trick or treating he'll go into fight or flight you have to separate name. He has but he has a huge clown tattoo on his arm like a big gesture on his arm. which is kind of weird but all right element I Haven't watched it either. You haven't watched what it really really really enjoyed the second one I I like I like old classic classic movies. I like like NAS for out to and all that kind of stuff but the I it now. Original order kids laugh to original original. Or yeah the original verse one with Tim Curry and yet I love the my kids laughed Because it was Kinda Corny right I love that I love that Ravi but I loved the second one. I not the second one but the remake you're having I I've I've watched. I thought that was great. Yeah I'm excited for Dr for sleep to come out. Oh yeah that can of the shyness. That's going to be really good in fascist. Read that yeah in fact maybe we OUGHTA plan like back in the day plan a trip to the theater and go watch it now. Why don't we plan a trip to Colorado? That would even awesome are awesome. Or that's word well for you. It has but If you recall the first time that we did the whole group go to the movie theater. Oh Yeah whitten witten salt paranormal activity. That's right we all laughed. We did everyone else was screaming and stuff. We're just sitting back there. Were like laughing the whole like really. Yeah it didn't it that in bother me at all the paranormal activity movie. It was probably great for people that it's not used to in almost right but we're just like like okay. We do this for living. Well it's to me. It was Kinda I I'd launching. Psychological thrillers are. What gets Gore movies? Now yes that's why. I quit watching armor and illustrated just too gory In the Friday the thirteenth is the same way. Yeah Friday thirteenth is like off the wall for me now to me paranormal activity. It was built as the most psychologist. But to me it was his corneas. Yeah exactly I think the only thing that got me is which is going to make you laugh on. I'll tell you my movie that messes my head. Which one is Jeffrey? Yeah I'm done really I'm that's all I got was those we I mean. There's there's a lot but those are probably ones that I remember watching and really scaring me. I mean when I was younger I used I used to watch a lot of music amount you know and I had a different mindset down. You know I'd get scared real easy and like I said I'd have the blankets blankets up and couldn't sleep but but now you know I mean it really really has to be something that really messes my psyche. Ah To to scare me. I forgot to mention well. You probably forgot dementia while we saw this weekend driving down the road when you asked about clowns. You don't recall in Wichita we're driving along and I believe it was. You noticed them the clown in the car that just turned variety. I forgot about that. I looked over because I was in the past in the back seat and I see this car coming up and have a clown mask on so he pulls up beside the vehicle and he slowly turns. It just looks at us and looks Addison and just back yet has yes but yeah it was great and then you see him driving along the road road and everything and he's he's doing the same thing as driving to people and people like freaking out. It was Marie other great. Yeah so the yeah. I don't watch it. I haven't watched it yet. Yeah I WANNA watch definitely one to watch part to do so Mike. I've got a couple likes and I I'm just GONNA quickly tag on it because jaws is the one that really. I watched them now and I get mesmerized and often like when they come on like art week I'll just have to sit there and stare at them and and watch them. But but I think that I'll tell my Monotone my old one last the one that gets me now. Our I say the most recent one was the Blair witch project. Oh we were this. I was active duty And we were in a real world situation. Okay am I was having to work the night shift in this was stateside. That was when we were having to to Man The office for the late night but we didn't do anything so we said in the in the They remember is my good friend. John cut birthdays past now but he and I he went and rented we had had this. was you know plasma. TV's were a big thing. And because they were really expensive back there but so he went the day room. We watched this Blair witch project movie overnight so it was kind of convenient for me because we were in the middle of hunting season and so I would get off at five. Am and then. I would head straight to the woods to go hunting. Take during this exercise because it was like it was great volunteer doors on that ship. So we watch the Blair witch project and I didn't think nothing about it. We watched it about thirty minutes slater. We closed up our shift as we were sitting in their main. And the phone's just watching. This movie went out into the woods. And I'm I changed at the office and then I got out into the woods woods and I I start walking in the woods and that movie just like flooded over me Like you wouldn't believe anyway. I was walking in the woods. I could here every stick leaf breaking but I can't probably two or three hundred yards down Montreal. nist it's dark is cloudy cloudy. It's cold and I get down this trail and I get to this one spot and I- skier a deer. That's I guess coming down the trail to it's it. If you've ever heard of anybody's ever heard a deer blow it in this thing goes crashing through the woods and I'm like I'm done going home. Big Big man with a gun. Nope I'm done liberty beer scared me. Yeah but in my head it was the Blair we write. That movie really really messed with me. But bear when speaking of the Blair there which when it came out and watched it. I remember the scene to where they're like in the building in their steering the corners. And I'm like Oh my God what I'm ad that. I think that petrified me the most because of something the happened growing up in this is where the Campfire story comes in. I was in boy scouts and We were in Germany at the time my devastation out there and the area that he was at is where all the army comes to do exercises they got this big field where they bring their tanks and stuff and then in the back of the woods way way way back past all the armory and all the fighting and all the exercise is the scout camp and we have one of the biggest yeah biggest forest and we were getting ready to host a a boy scout in Europe to come and have it out there. Well I was probably eleven twelve at the time and were out there getting this campsite ready and of course we're camping out there and then you know how boy scouts are with the campfires. Were at the Campfire and then they start talking about the campfire legend. That's out they're itchy. Bond and Itchy bond was a person that got lost from the army out there During the exercises and stuff and you always saw them wearing their fatigues at the time I think they call them fatigues at the time back then green. Yeah the Green. So they're out out there and They said that they have to the itchy. Bond has to bless our camping trip so so we have to go up there and put a little bonfire at this statue area makeshift shrine. If you would yeah so we it's. It's probably a good ways away from our camper walk in the woods and everything. There's this trail that goes up to date you bond shrine and we go up there and we're on there and as I'm going up there I can hear sounds in the woods on both sides of us and there's about four or five us up there and it was a big group. They're taking us up there and we get up there and then we start the campfire at the shrine and we start saying the prayer. Can't remember what it was but they start saying the prayer and then you hear something in the woods behind the shrine in. I just having a look around the shrine and I saw movement and I'm like what was that and I'm watching it and I slowly see it creeping up. All you see is mass that that and and I'm watching it and when I look around the shrine stops what the heck and then it keeps getting closer and closer and I. Everyone else is starting looking. We're starting to get into. I like the older scouts are like no. We gotTA stop. If it's itchy bond. You have to sit here you. And we're like he's getting closer and closer and closer and then then all you hear is like dead silence and we're like that's not silas and we hear the dead silence and then all of a sudden this screeching sound from itchy bond comes out from behind the shrine and then it starts running towards us us and we're like trying to scream when everything and then you see the dark figure just comes up. And there's this whiteface around the shrine and Lebanon twelve years old. My little earned twelve shades of white and I started running. Yeah Okay Yeah I started running everything and then she bond is running behind in all the scouts and we're all just running and screaming and yelling and we get there in our camp masters out there and he's like are getting a cabinet in the cabin. It was was brilliant. We're just running in Hyde. I'm diving under the bunk beds. I'm getting under the sleeping banging up putting over. I'm like now cried. I'm due to this next thing. We know pounding on the door of the cabins and it's just going and going in his all around near you hear it all around and the screeching being in hollering. What Stop Stop It? All of a sudden everyone just starts laughing all the other it just stops and then everyone they can't keep up they can't keep up the charade anymore. Yeah because we are a little scared we lows now not boy scouts where we again scared appeared and it's because of the woods and everything and is actually one of our older Scout Masters had on his Poncho and did the white face paint in whole nine yards. It was his big elaborate scheme and everything but they lead up to it. Necessary thing about the campfires and telling stories. Yeah being in the woods so when you started talking about the Blair witch project. That's all I could think about when I saw. That movie was that she blonde. How petrified was out? There took me a long longtime before I went back out to that campsite again. But that was probably the scariest that scared. I've ever been being in the woods. The same my story but it made me think that's thinking about this and we were talking about coming up camper stories we did something similar scoutmaster for while my brother. Yeah and we did something very similar where we tied the The little ball the the lights. Led Lights Tie with the red lights right. They clip on your ball cap right. Yeah well one of the Scout Masters walked way out across this field into the edge of the woods and he. He tied like fishing line to this light but he turned face down so they everybody was sitting around the campfire. Eaten there Dutch oven dessert and everything. And he's like what was that so he starts getting up and he's got everybody's attention he starts walking over to the you know out into the woods and he gets about half of that field and he's tied that line down out in the grass out there and so he will as he's walking he gets over there and he's you're that in all the kids are like what what you know in heat so he finally he's like sh you'll be required any air by getting on any squads. Nanny grabs that fish in line. Signed and then all of a sudden he turns around and starts screaming in running in that little ball cap light is bouncing with these remnants. And I I forgot to say all day long we tell them we're GONNA go snipe it and but you gotta watch out for the ones with red eyes because the ones with red eyes are the you know we were messing with them. So he went and did that and he runs hands all the way through camp the camp site with that Latin. These kids were busting over tints. It was well but my my campfire story And I'll come back right to the movie thing here but my campfire story is I had gone. It was in biology Alabama in my hunting stand was over this graveyard graveyard. That was half After the cemetery was half submerged in water and they had their was whipper wheels and they were these big light trees with the Moss hanging down and everything and I was. I was out there hunting. One night I'd been out there in the morning. They drop me off as I is. I woke up. Nobody told me I was on the cemetery and it got daylight so now I had to go back that night and I'm sitting there and it's going down in the in the whipper wheels and it was. It was so creepy and I'm sitting here in my little shooting house. There was something moving around on the bottom Jonathan. But I'm already freaked out because I mean cemeteries bother me but when you're the thirteen year over one and I thought this was like a little bug or something in the bottom and I kept kicking and they had put these like Potato Acts on the floor to keep the wind from coming up through cracks right so I thought it was like a mouse offs or something down there and I kept kicking this deal in then all of a sudden I hear this crash out in the woods and I stop and I'm like looking and I'm looking and I'm lookin can and as I kind of moved reposition myself. I guess my foot there was a baby squirrel that was in the bottom of this using this thing run up my la in jumps off my shoulder out the window shooting house nearly died right there. It cannot tell you how scared I was that that that happened but anyway I Do you. We're going to have to wrap sooner I've got to get you have your camphor I well. It's not really a campfire story but it's something had happened when I was probably six or seven years old. It was in nineteen seventy a give my age way but I lived in homestead Florida and I I refer ended a couple kids that were older than me. They might have been and twelve thirteen. Maybe but they decided one night they said. Hey we've got this thing called a Ouija board. Oh Lord they said had the across from where we lived we kind of lived out where it was. Would it a little bit and the House across from us was kind of like a little looked. Look like one of the old of mansion type homes. It really. Wasn't that big but it had that look to it anyways they're like. Hey let's go across the street. There's there's no one home right now. Let's sit on the porch and uses Ouija board and I'm like or leafy word I had no idea at six or seven. G Board is so we go over there and there's probably four of us. I think four or five if I remember correctly and we have the OUIJA board on our laps and they start asking asking all these questions. Well the kids knew I was scared. So they're like let's play a trick on them so they're asking questions and all of a sudden one of them raises their knees wide. You know like I said. I didn't think I was scared. By all of a sudden the board comes up and the thing the whatever it's called Starts Moving in there like thank you for answering us. And then they asked another question and started moving it around. The last thing I remember is as I got so spooked I got up brand. We flip the OUIJA board in Iran over across the street to my house so that was uh. That was kind of my wasn't really a campfire story but that was something that I remember. Kid that scared me pretty bad speaking of kids in Halloween. Did you ever do dress up in costumes. You know. Yeah we did. The the like I said grownup homestead The the only thing that I could really remember is I think addressed up as a ghost. Okay once but of course the typical she you know the whole wholesome you know the biggest thing I remembered about it was I got beat up for my for my candy. They took we used to you You know our our buckets were Brown paper bag exactly. That's what we used or maybe a yeah and I remember these bigger your kids coming along and knocking this over and taking all of our candy. So but that's yeah. There were several different ones than I actually Asked my mom was like KS or any Helen. Because we were talking about doing. What was our favorite Halloween costume growing up? Possibly putting in the podcast and I contacted my mom's. Hey you got any halloween pictures out there. You know that you can send me. She's like of you and your brother just you God just whatever you know go ahead just whatever ones and I knew one for sure she was going to send. Ah that was my superman outfit. Yeah I love that thing my my I believe my grandmother had made that one or my mom and everything and it was just great and I think I sent you guys a picture of his at you. Yeah that'd be mad outfit. I look at you exactly so that was probably my favorite one that that I remember all the time and I had to do the Pos and everything and I had a little curl queue up front at everything just like a Chris. Didn't the original ones because Superman back. Then that was that was that was the man that was the man and then my brother he was Batman and stuff and I. I didn't have that one but I do have the foot that she sent me. I just want because you said you needed a photo put for work so I was like go ahead. Put that one and she sent the one my brother being Batman which was pretty cool will and then she sent one that I I kind of remember but I didn't remember until she sent and I was like. Oh my God. I did that as a costume. And you could see the look on my face. Because I don't think I picked this or or my mother picked it and I was like what the heck let's see where there's there's my brother being yeah There's my brother being Batman and everything he's okay and I guess he he could still do Batman and everything but I guess I grew up out of Superman so the okay. Oh Yeah we've got a post is we. We gotTa gave rob we got. Explain what you're in well I got on this. I guess. Nineteen Seventies Shirt it's it's got to be a seventy shirt but it's a cowboy shirt and I I guess I got on the bell bottomed jeans and a cowboy hat and then It looks like a half face paint on as a beard. Oh yeah they did. It's even better when zoom in. Oh my eh yeah. I guess I got fuzzy eyebrows and a beard and a mustache and I guess I'm just doing the cowboy thing up I I don't I did not recall that one until she sent an. Oh Good Lord yes And then another one. She sat me. Yeah I guess Where's that one? Yeah when I was real small I I guess I I like putting I guess every kid that put pans bans on their head. So I guess that's what I did growing up for Halloween but the one that I remember with Superman that that was the one and then as an adult I sent you guys that one. I was iron man. Oh man outfit yeah completely foot ahead the little you know the the polls thing. Yeah I was thinkin no way. I don't remember her being around yet. nope that that was adult. That's when I took lane out for his last time him Christner in the last time. Halloween as like you know what you guys want to go. I'll dress up to. Yeah I sent you guys the one of the joker. Yeah that was a Dracula Dracula Shirt and the Jack I didn't I didn't look at. That is leanna hair back and everything Likhachev go yet. I have these little when I was it was a member was nineteen seventy nine maybe sending in an eighty it was two years I was a dracula one year and then the next AH MOM MC. She's trying to find this picture that I can put out but she wrapped in aluminum foil oil That was a Martian and had like these big pointy antenna. But I won this both years. I won this Costume contest but anyway. That's that's that's the only time I remember dressing up and then I of course I was like late teenager and I remember. I Made Fun of because we win around but we were having fun well. Isn't that funny though you talk about being a Martian A.. And now look what you're doing. I know that's my mom is kind of ironic. Because I really wasn't into it back then but not maybe the late eighties right. Yeah M Well I was Kinda Hoping Alison be back to tell her out. Yeah yeah get the kids and well go ahead and let's go go ahead and tell your story here okay. So do the Freddie Krueger so my others movie that got me was nightmare street in nineteen eighty four. I remember I was at my aunt's house and We were watching that and it. I was young and it messed with it. Really mess with Brady mess with you. It it gives us the psychological. Yeah I guess I guess it was a lot more cycle. Yes and the later ones were Kinda gory but what I found interesting is I. I had heard about about this a while back. A lot of people think there's these memes around the internet that Freddie Krueger was really this guy that killed children. That's the story in the movie been. That's that's incorrect. Correct but there was wes. Craven actually got the idea from a story when he was younger that It was from a Los Angeles time article about these. I guess maybe Vietnamese Asian men that were escaped the killing fields in Cambodia and there was one young boy that was there. He had these nightmares and they had nightmares. I guess they moved out of there. And he kept having these nightmares and They found him screamed when that in his parents weren't running in there and he was he was dead in his sleep but against the story gets bigger than that. But there's actually a BA- back then they called it the Asian Death Syndrome okay and then actually later on. It was called The Sun Unexplained Nocturnal Death Syndrome. uh-huh sons but it's it's a real deal where these in it's mostly Asian men There was actually the Hmong that was in that area of turmoil back in the Vietnam and Cambodia Rhodia timeframe the where it really affected a great number of these guys were they would they would just stop breathing are there. It would like a heart attack in the middle of the night well so anyway that's That was I thought that was a little interesting is actually a lot deeper than that. But there's actually a real story behind the highlight the nightmare on ELM street. Do and it was a real documented and they still don't really know what caused it. I mean they have the name for it and all that some people think that it's a they were having panic attacks kind of the night and he caused increased cardiovascular problems and they would have heart attacks in their sleep but anyway It was just kind of odd that. That's that's what that story inspired wes craven when he arrived. Nothing about the the guy coming to get you in your dreams. Here's a little trivia for you. Hollywood trivia did you guys know. Oh that Johnny. Depp played in the first. I denied Maryland. Your Google that he played was late in that movie as one of the boyfriends or something. Anthony Yeah he was he Believe he got killed in the bed. If I remember okay I think you'd drag down through the bed. Oh that one. Yeah Johnny Johnny Depp. Wow No right okay. Interesting Yeah Number Street. That one was my my younger one. That was my horror movie that that's probably the reason I don't watch really really horror movies. I like the psychological stuff like the or the garage. I don't really watch. I like Halloween. the movie. Halloween Michael Myers Yeah. It's it's not just horribly horribly gory to me these and it's just like slasher and slasher and slasher exactly. Yeah Yeah I remember the original Halloween's that they had And it was. It was pretty good. I enjoyed it back then because I was one of the small ones like Jamie. Lee Curtis that wind a new. There's a the Gaz are going down the highway and they've got a C B in their car in the guy on the radio was the name of that movie that won messes with my wife. She didn't like that she didn't like my mantra. Because all right well do. We have any other Topics we want to talk about before we wrap the show Not so much topics but would you got mike. I was GONNA go ahead. I was is GonNa just Kinda give a preview of what we have coming up here saying that I'm in currently in the works. Okay for an upcoming show some nothing nothing so much as a of coming show but yeah Di Really don't have anything else. You know one thing real quick. I want to address on the investigation that we went on this last weekend. Of course as with any group out there that does paranormal investigations. One of the thing you do is research bribe and we You know we we I I got hold of the registers off. Snake gave me a list of all the owners of the land From the eighteen hundreds of until now well we decided During the research found that one of the the first documented donor of the land was buried in the little cemetery there and while flow Kansas Kansas. Well Robin I went up to get some pictures and and look around and here we found out that the first owner of the home home was in the civil war. Eighteen sixty one eighteen sixty five. Yeah that was really need to to see that. So yeah that was. That was very interesting. Thanks so the other the other thing speaking of research everyone does that. The town that we were in buffalo was known for bricks right and we didn't realize this at the time I mean we researched it and everything but then we started. Remember one of our past investigations that we want to medicine mounds and Texas this old ghost town. They got burned down and we did the research on that one in while. We're out there escalating looking at the town you found a brick correct with a buffalo on it and we're like Oh that's pretty cool a buffalo with a brick on it had no clue what it meant four or five years ago but now that we had investigation. Yeah in town that actually were that brick came from was pretty cool all all all because of the research and doing in how it comes full circle much. I thought that was pretty cool out there so but yene that now's really Bowl I As always appreciate you guys listening to us You can can find us at military. Paranormal DOT COM laughing at Jeff. We cut it out but he had a little one grammar blowing day. Okay we will have a blueberry out. Just just say that. I sounded like Elmer Fudd. No no no no no I. I said Elmer Fudd but it was actually porky pig. Oh you're right it was actually Porgy Bay but yeah you can find a set military paranormal dot com or on facebook twitter twitter. You can find us there. You can find on instagram now. Military paranormal find us on Youtube. Bean being all the other ones out there and I I I was going to have it ready but I didn't but I need to put a shout out there to go shop okay Go Stop Sorry about Ah Yeah go stop If you need any paranormal gear anything like that. Go to go stop. They have just about everything. You need sensors. We even had some of the stuff we've bought their from Gauche stop as well. They have their e maps the K.. Two we use up their good stuff. The developer and designer actually has been in the developer and designer of all the popular ghost hunting equipment. 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We're in the middle of trying to figure that out. Mike you got an idea what you got. Well we have an author that has a book this published. Oh that's right right that Have you talked to him. I have and we're we're trying to schedule a time right. Now's names altius and He's written a book called project. Rabbit Hole Project rabbit hole it. Is it available yet available. It's available on. Is it Lulu and I can put a Lincoln. The show linked it on our facebook page before too but Basically he's saying not you gotta be careful as an investigator after that. Not necessarily everything is a ghost or a demon and in any kind of takes it somewhere else but it made a lot of sense when I heard he wants to banter with me. I don't know what I said out there. Al But okay. Let's go I'm I'm I'm all set you'll you'll you ally Jeff spoken to him before and he's a good guy and I think he he has a good good point point there so I think it's going to go up pretty good so we'll get that scheduled and I make sure I'll read the entire book before that dislike an all right all right. Well thanks again. And you'll have a happy Halloween. Yes definitely have and we'll talk to you soon tonight your night and Alison. I'm sure it would say good night as well. Thank you for lessening the paranormal podcast. This podcast is brought to you by military power normal investigations. Hope you all on.

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63: Aphrodisiac Wine Pairings for Valentine's Day

Unreserved Wine Talk

26:36 min | 6 months ago

63: Aphrodisiac Wine Pairings for Valentine's Day

"Now you might not have thought about aphrodisiac food and wine pairings. But it's been on my mind a lot lately and I think most winds are aphrodisiacs in themselves else but there are certain foods that we tend to associate as Aphrodisiac foods. And so. That's what I'm looking at. and which wines go with them. I hope this both things. Sparks a passionate debate if you will. Because we're going to be matching libido lifting dishes with different wine types to stimulate your senses. You're now I believe that romance starts in the kitchen or even in the wine cellar before you get to the bedroom and the first rule is to pair the wine you you love with yourself because there's no sense in finding a perfect wine for wasters if you don't like it and as always he's when I talk about food and wine pairing these are just guidelines. I don't call them ever hard and fast rules but I think of it as the marriage of different ingredients. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people. ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad glad you're here. Now Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode sixty sixty three now. Valentine's Day is only two days away. So we're going to have a little fun today. PAIRING WINE WITH APHRODISIAC foods from wasters to chocolate. Plus I'll chat about what it means when someone describes a wine as tasting salty. Is there really Salton Alton wine and how can you tell this conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video show seal often hear me responding to a comment Eh. One of the viewers is made. You can join that conversation every second Wednesday at seven pm eastern including the evening. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it's published. I'll put a link in the show notes where you can find us tonight at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty. The three. It's fun we chat we drink. We laugh we drink some more. So bore yourself a glass and join us. You can also join me on a free. The online video wine class called the five wine and food pairing mistakes. That can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. GO TO NATALIE MACLEAN DOT COM tom forward slash class and she's a time and date that works for you. I look forward to seeing you there. Okay on with the show all right. Let's turn to our first topic tonight. And that is Aphrodisiac. CEAC wines. Now you might not have thought about aphrodisiac food and wine pairings. But it's been on my mind a lot lately and I think most wines are aphrodisiacs for doozy accident themselves but there certain foods that we tend to associate as Aphrodisiac foods and so. That's what I'm looking at. An which winds go with them. I hope this whole thing spark a passionate debate if you will. Because we're going to be matching LUPITA lifting dishes with different wine types to stimulate your senses. Mrs Now I believe that Romance starts in the kitchen or even in the wine cellar before you get to the bedroom and the first rule is to pair the wine you love with yourself because there's no sense in finding a perfect wine for oysters if you don't like it you're an is always when I talk about food wine tearing these are just guidelines. I don't call them ever hard and fast rules. But I think as the marriage of different ingredients so just as you might take a chocolate cake and put a swirl raspberry in those flavors go so beautifully together think about about that when we're marrying food and wine now onto some fun historical facts. Many ingredients have historically been considered APHRODISIACS. Easy access sometimes. Because food physically resembled male private parts like avocados which according to the aspects by the way they grew on testicle trees and their female counterparts wasters in figs other foods such as Chili peppers provoked okay fiery passion of love with the increased heartbeat and sweating and yet other foods contain certain minerals that increase energy stamina stamina and blood flow throughout the body as well as to vital organs. An example of that is Gingrich below my saying that correctly. Gingko Biloba Aloha so. Let's talk about eight matches and let's start with wasters. The ancient Romans called Oysters and Aphrodisiac based on promiscuous miscanthus women gulping down. Lots of them. But then again the ancient Romans also thought the turnips were in the same category. So I'm not sure how much we can trust their guidance cazenove that Eighteenth Century Venetian lover. Eight forty oysters. A day for Breakfast with his mistress in the bathtub built for two now. Oysters have vital minerals such as copper iron zinc. All of which are essential for are male fertility. So what do you think or do you have a favorite pairing with oysters. Now for me first of all I should admit I don't like wasters. I've tried one or two but I find it's textural thing I I don't know what it is. I've got to teach myself to like like oil stairs but I have had one or two and I think with their briny taste and sometimes not fishy taste. Because we don't want orders that are fishy in old but with the briny salty taste. I think a crisp white wine goes beautifully. The classic match Of course is a Chablis an chardonnay from northern Burgundy but equally well are sparkling wines bubbly whether champagne or sparkling ling wine from another region. So yeah with oysters. Than if you're on a bit of a budget can also get a Cava which is tends to be more earthy dry than percent go but percents will work. The Italian bubbly kavas the Spanish wine Spanish bubbly are North American sparkling wines terrific Whether it's from California Niagara BC or Nova Scotia. And I want to know from you is. Is There Aphrodisiac food that we should be talking about. I've got eight different ones that I'm GonNa talk about all right. Let's go on on to the second food. I have pine nuts. Yeah you might think that is unusual but hind that's like are also high in Inns Inc.. They've been part of potions prescribed to the love sick in the past but they work just as well in Pesto in my opinion and for me in classic pairing with pine nuts because it has sort of an herbal taste I love New Zealand. Sauvignon blown. Or a Sauvignon Blanc from from other regions like the Lamar Valley. Or of course like South Africa others that produce it. But what about you. If you've got a pesto which it does have that early green taste. What do you like to match with that? So pine nuts is number two now next up number. Three three is a by Berry. Hopefully I'm saying that correctly a high. It's the Brazilian Aci Berry which has been called Natural Viagra. The ACI is the most concentrated botanical source of iron in the world. That's why a lot of people take it as a health food food. It improves blood flow throughout the body. It tastes like chocolate and dark berries. Now it comes in powder capsules. But that's not very romantic. What are you GonNa do sit in front of the fireplace and break? Open some capsules or down a capsule with your wine but because because it has that dark berry and chocolate taste. My choice of pairing would be a full bodied red. Maybe with some MOCHA notes. So we're looking looking for some oak aging and or some very rich flavorful fleshy right dark plums and berries so in thinking a Sharaf's from Australia a ripe Cabernet from California. Maybe you have some other suggestions. Not sure if you envision yourself sitting the fire and popping a Chi- berries into your mouth. But they are the natural Viagra so had put it on the list. Let us just move on to the next category next step is asparagus. Probably not top of your list for Aphrodisiac foods but these slender long. Green stocks are best served lightly steamed while still firm and bathed in melting cutting butter or hollandaise sauce. Now doesn't that have your juices watering asparagus. Like a bad boyfriend is tough on wine due to you natural organic compounds that make the wine taste bitter so when it comes to asparagus. I'm very much in the camp of love pine nuts and I would therefore go with a New Zealand Sauvignon blown or a gruner. veld leaner the famous zesty. White wine of Austria Avena Verde from northern Portugal. All of these are not ocht or not very much and they tend to be zesty. Green gene herbal can handle ASPARAGUS. Because if you put asparagus with buttery chardonnays just GONNA clash. It can often make make a wine tastes sweeter than it is because it has cr which makes everything taste sweeter afterwards artichokes have this too. You and Moore captains which just wreck everything so. asparagus is a special challenge. But when you have a abridging ingredients like your melted butter or your holidays. That will widen your choices. I'd still go with a crisp white wine. That's not next up. I have soft creamy cheeses such as common bear in bree they lose sensuality. I WanNa say that again. ooh sensuality when they flow like lava over crusty piece of Baguette and coat every crevice of your mouth So when it comes to soft cheese pairings I think a buttery Chardonnay will work especially if you like to layer your richness rich on rich or you can try steely recycling or a Soviet blunt cut right through the creamy richness of that Burri or Kaman bear. Let us move onto the next one. which is strawberries and whipped cream now here shape and texture come into play play? This desert isn't as sweet and rich as chocolate but it does require a medium sweet wine that has some citrus notes. I would go back to your chocolate. Dipped strawberries would be in this category as well so with this I might try. A ice swine is generally. I don't think ice wine is a sweet enough wine for a pure chocolate dessert or even a cheesecake cheesecake. Those are just too rich for ICEWIND. which by the way usually only has about ten percents alcohol? It just doesn't have that rich unconscious. voluptuous texture that. Say A so turn would have or Hungarian Tokai or course support so with. Strawberries is an whipped cream. The classic at Wimbledon The tennis match is champagne but I just think that's a good way to kill your champagne. It's just too sweet if you've got a bubbly with some sweetness. Sure but with strawberries whipped cream. I go ice wine ago. An off dry I to medium sweet riesling like the German spot laser aright nil. Let's get to chocolate. Shall we Let me tell you about chocolate. So cazenove that eighteenth century womanizer also love chocolate. In addition to his oysters he drank a cup. Ah Hot chocolate every day. So chocolate ignites similar positive endorphins to being in love. They've studied this so in the brain. When you Louis chocolate similar endorphins are released as when you're in love now? I think the wine match depends on the amount kind of sugar and milk solids in the chocolate. The less of these I e dark chocolate the dryer the wine can be like an Maroney also in dark. Chocolate has a higher concentration of CA cal recipe auto is in that family of repast wines like Maroney. They're darker their richer. Resi Otto is even sweeter than Maroney. Nothing Maroney is technically sweet but it does taste sweet because it's so ripe right and the grapes are dried on the straw mats before fermentation for Milk Chocolate that sweeter and has more dairy and milk solids I would go for a richer sweeter dessert wines. Such as Port Passion Fruit Caramel blend both the sharpness of the fruit and toffee richness of the CARAMEL. Well you might WanNa try a tawny port. In that case Sherry goes from completely bone-dry a pheno on I anti and graduated up. Just like Riesling does to a full-on sweet. Cherry called a cream sherry now. Some famous brands are BAE lease season others. But I would say the sweeter style of Sherry is what you'd be looking at with chocolate and I would love to pair sweet cherry with chocolate has some toffee or not's pralines caravel. Something like that. I think that would be pretty to die for combination now of course chocolate and wine pairing is a whole big topic in and of itself. Because we've got all the way from dark chocolate milk white and then chocolate mixed with different things like Greenwich or Pralines P. Con Scare meals all the rest of it so that deserves a course in and of itself and speaking of courses by the way if you have not taken my free online video wine class fleas pick a time and day that work for you join me on that because I go over the five food and wine pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever so save yourself yourself spot on that because we go into even more food and wine pairings. Oh let's talk about creme. Brulee crew lay to me has sort of burnt butter toffee flavour. And I mean that in a positive sense so it has to be a sweet wine. 'cause the wine should be sweeter than the desert. So Kimberly Emberley is not as intensely sweet as chocolate. But it's still got that lovely burnt butter toffee taste. And I would go with a Tokai. That's it's the Hungarian sweet dessert wine and it tastes like sort of Apple Pie. I just think that would be beautiful with Creme Brulee but I would love to hear your suggestions with lobster. I would probably go with a crisp white wine. Unless it's lobster melting butter on then you can start to venture into Chardonnay with a some oak on it Nova Scotia Tidal Bay with lobster natural pairing on your peaches. Probably an ice fine. If they're fresh peaches depending on how ripe and sweet they are and if you're putting anything else with them what would I care with net flicks. Anything anyone goes while I I guess it depends on what you're watching like if you're watching when Harry met Sally or something like that a ROM com than we could get into a whole other topic all right. So here is my eighth and final Aphrodisiac food. It is Bacon yes Bacon Bacon. Bet You didn't think bacon was sexy but the smell of the food can stimulate desire. Studies have shown. Smells smells of certain foods. Not Baking but they will increase blood flow to strategic areas in men. That's Pumpkin Pie and lavender and for women. Curiously it's cucumber liquorice conversely those who lose their sense of smell also are found to have diminished sexual actual appetite. That is just very sad. In addition not being able to smell wine now. Bacon hasn't been scientifically proven to stimulate stimulate blood flow or sexual appetite. But I'm nominating as one of the most potent aphrodisiacs on the planet. Because I I think there's nothing sexier in the morning when someone is cooking Bacon for you and does the dishes afterwards. You just can't beat it. It's it's a breakfast food but you know it's the morning after right but also bacon can often be an ingredient in many dishes like bacon wrapped scallops scallops scallops. Then don't destroy wine as much as they would on their own. SCALLOPS are among the toughest for wine pairings. So with Bagan again I would pair it with a robust red wine. You often hear some red wines described with a media or bacon note. I'm thinking Rhone Valley Syrah could be an Australian share as little black pepper going on there but I just think that would be such a great pairing between the two all right. I'm going to go onto the next topic. which is salt in wine? Have you ever heard someone say ooh this wine. There's a lot of slim shady or assault in this wine. When we hear people talk about or if in fact you have tasted salinity or salt in wine? Where does that come from? There's different theories Greece. One is that salt comes from vines planted close to the ocean Briny breezes deposit sea salt on the grapes so do we then taste it in the wine the way we get a briny taste in oysters. Well from my research many winemakers winemakers not everybody. Of course it's not a consensus. Don't think that the iodine absorbed through grape skins would make its way past fermentation in then into the final wine. And that's what you'd be tasting. Another theory is that it comes from the water source for the wines. So what we're tasting. Or sensing sensing is really the mineral. Content of the wine much like the taste of whiskey is influenced by its water source. Another comparison would be mineral mineral waters themselves. People have done tastings people with too much time on their hands of done tastings of mineral water side by side and can tell hill or d. Say they can that one. Mineral water can taste distinctively different from others in the lineup. New York City even has a water sommelier. Am One of the four seasons. A third theory is that the salty taste comes from various layers in the soil with vines have thrust the roots of course too much salt in soil will prevent vines from growing in the first place which is why they worry about that in certain regions of Australia Where the water table has dropped or is drying up the soils are becoming increasingly saline or salty? It's a danger to the vineyards. In addition to of course those horrible forest fires wildfires that they're experiencing now just they really don't need all of that compounding their efforts shirts that is such a sad situation right now but I think perhaps we don't need to be solidified when we describe wine as having Cherry Flavors we know the cherries aren't added to the wine. So I think maybe there's a parallel to be made there that even though we make tastes salter feel like it has salinity. We know oh or I don't think we need to expect that there's actual salt of course added to the wine. That'd be illegal but also that the salt may be he just a sensation or at texture. That were tasting like the morality of the wine you can in fact measure the degree of salinity in wine as you can for all liquids even though that actually doesn't equate to how salty the wind may taste to you that is a perception thing we we know that vines can absorb minerals including salt from the soil. But that doesn't mean they're necessarily passed onto the wine because as you know synthesizing sizing different minerals and so on is an organic process and what ends up in the grape and then finally what ends up in the wine after fermentation are different things. So I know that's not definitive but I just wanted to talk a little bit about that concept of saltiness wine because it can be confusing. My personal opinion is that the soil's matter and so do winemaking techniques that bring forward maybe more fruit in there for your taste or perceive. You taste less salt in the wine but I do think in the end. It's probably a taste. Perception likely taste. Cherry's that is personal and subjective and that it may be for me personally closer aligned to mineralogy in wine so a texture stir thing Minarelli and acidity acidity is in there too so acidity saltiness morality. I think those three work together and get your interpretation of what you're getting what you perceive. What your taste buds pickup? What's in your background is a taster is? What's GonNa come through in the wine? Elaine says I love Salty. Anything pairs well with my Kryptonite. Chips Allay that's my Kryptonite is well. I gotta tell Ya bag of chips. I mean I think there's people were in the sweet camp and then the savory camp so sweet is chocolate maybe ice cream and so John and then savory like I love Bacon too. That's why nominated it but chips and all manner of chips cheetos popcorn so anyway. What is your favorite of all the things we discussed? And what pairings are you going to be trying on. Valentine's install whether you're going out or staying in or there's gallon tines day to is that the day before the day after Valentine's damn never quite sure but how you celebrating Do you have a wine lined up or haven't thought about it yet very well. That went faster than I thought. And thank you so much for joining me. I I will talk to you again soon. Take Care Bye for now there you have but I hope you enjoyed this chat. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it especially someone who's interested in the wine. Pairing tips shared. You'll find links to my wine reviews video version of this conversation and a link to where you can join us on. Facebook live this evening in the show notes at Natalie Maclean claim dot com forward slash sixty three and. Finally if you WANNA learn why the lemon or butter test can guide you on wine pairings. Wchs join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. And he won't want to miss next week when we'll be chatting serving with mike visas known as the wine economist and award winning author and Professor Emeritus in Washington. Mike took an around the world trip in eighty wines Jules Verne style to discover great value wines and the stories behind them. Thank you for taking the time to join me here. I hope something great is in your glass this week. Perhaps a wine. That pairs well with your favorite Aphrodisiac dish. 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61: Single Vineyards versus Blends, Drops of God Manga Wine, Wine Scores

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21:15 min | 6 months ago

61: Single Vineyards versus Blends, Drops of God Manga Wine, Wine Scores

"A lot of people sort of fantasize the single vineyard single grape more micro. But what about blends so. I'm GonNa take a contrary in opinion in stance tonight. That would argue. That blends are where it's at but I'd like to know what you think blends versus single. I'm great or single vineyard. What are your favorites? What have you tried in the past that just knocked your socks off? In either category so blends versus single vineyard the reset traditional snobbery that a single grape vineyard is better than a blend and I think that's because most of us started buying wine at at least in North America according to the name of the grape. That's how we got to know whites. Because we didn't have that European heritage of growing up and knowing that Bordeaux was a cabernet blend or burgundy always Pinot Noir. We just we didn't learn it that way so we learned to buy wine based on Cabernet. It was written on the label or Chard nate. These grapes were brand names to us. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people. ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations All. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Cavalli McLean and each week I share with you. unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode sixty one in today's episode and chatting with you about the power and problems with wine. Scores whether single vineyard or blended wines are better and the viral sensation of the mango wine. Series called drops drops of God. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video. Show that you can catch every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern including tonight. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it's published during the facebook chat. Peter Humphreys one of my wine line course students stars makes an excellent point about blended wines and I quote him on that. I'll put a link in the show notes were you you can find us this evening at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty one. It's so much fun we chat we drink. We Laugh Jeff. We drink some more poor yourself glass and join us. You can also join me on my free online video. Wine class called the five wine wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. It's more fun than a mouth should be allowed to have go to Natalie. ATTLEE MCLEAN DOT com forward slash class. And she's at time and date that works for you. I look forward to seeing you there. Okay on with the show. Why has the drops of God mango series? Explain what that is if you don't don't know spiked wine sales in North America. It's just gone crazy. This Manga series otherwise known as anime. And I'm going to tell you the difference but it's really caused a ripple in the wine. Industry number two are blended winds better worse or on par with single grape or veritable or single vineyard wines. And finally I switched out my third topic here because I just found it more timely to talk about wine scores so to whet appetite especially those of you who might be here in Ontario. The wind submission got a ninety six points. Points score rating from the Toronto Star Priced at less than twenty bucks. I'll share with you. What my score was at the end all right? So let's dig into this starting with Mangga so the drops of God is the title of a series of forty four Japanese Mangga or graphic novels. Some people think of them as comics. I think there's a difference between comics and graphic doc. Novels and their counterpart is anime. So that's when it is turned into TV or movies visually. They're very similar. I was I could describe it but I'm not sure I have the words to me. It looks like very visually rounded graphics of people with beautiful big is but definitely for lack of a better word like cartoons and comics but more beautiful visually so the drops of God is caused quite a stir. Stir in the wine industry because the winds that are mentioned in these forty. Four graphic novels are selling out really quickly. But let me give you some more background on this. I find this really interesting. It's like it's a social trend. It's a cultural thing so I wanted to dig into its to find out what's going on because it's really sending a little bit of a tremor through the wine world so drops of God authors are brother and sister team. I'm I'm going to probably not pronounce correctly but Shin and Yoko Kabashi who wrote under the pseudonym today she agai and and then they worked with an illustrator shoe Okimoto. They've published forty four bucks which have been translated just recently into English through Amazon. And here's the core of the story which I just love to half brothers. Both of whom want to inherit their father's twenty a billion dollar wine collection. Yes you heard that right. There father's wine collection is worth twenty billion. And here's how oh they're going to inherit it. It's a competition and the winner is determined by naming the thirteen rare wines correctly that their father has laid out for them so one brother is assembled gay trained and the other is and but he has a super super keen sense of smell and taste which he connects to emotions oceans. So you've got the classic battle between the brain and the heart. It's really cool. They have three hundred million readers in Japan. Dan South Korea and Taiwan and now they're launching into North America into the United States. I so these graphic novels levels teach people the readers a lot about one but in an entertaining way it's very apparently gripping it's a page Turner. The difference between by the way Manga and anime Manga is the print version. So it's you can call them graphic novels or comic books and Anime. The May is either television or movies. They reflect the same thing with visual aesthetic. That's very similar. But that's why we have the two words for them. So in this case drops of God's has a television show and whatever winds they feature on that show the winds really sell out Quickly and the two siblings. I fell in love with wine at a tasting of get this domain romanee-conti way to start started off with a bang. I love some of their descriptions of winds so they described a Pinot noir from Burgundy not. DRC see but another one as like chasing butterflies in a forest isn't that poetical whimsical. So they've also launched an online wine club features the wines that are in the books as well as the author's favorites they host blind tasting games. They're sort sort of like tournament. Like blind tasting rounds and the winners who guests the names correctly of the wines win rare bottles of Bordeaux and burgundy any like the two sons kind of following their narrative. They have a wine salon which is an interactive wine club that they say is inspired by the salons of the Renaissance and Nineteen Thirties Paris. And that's when people gathered for conversation and drinks and that sort of thing. Here's something. They have a pallet quiz because they want people to have an inquisitive approached wine rather than relying on what they call authoritative voices that would be critics by the way Wine Writers Aka Yours. Truly they want to engage the right side of the brain the creativity part and so based on your answers I to the palate quiz they send you wines I find. That's kind of intriguing. So you answer this palate quiz based on that you get a different French wine versus other people. What's really cool is? It's a subscription of three hundred dollars per six wines ship quarterly and the wines are are based on four elements heaven which represents the weather and climate earth which refers to tear. Were that fancy wine. Term for climate and soil oil man refers to wine making and selling and marriage is about wine and food pairings. So they're integrating these four elements in to their wine choices that are reflective of the books themselves a concierge also helps you find wines that are not available billable in the clubs lineup. There's pop tastings of form for members to share stories and they had pretty FROU FROU launch events. One one was at Thomas Keller's at Hawk restaurant in York Villian. Oh he has per se and another one in Beverly Hills at bazaar there's also to live streaming events with tastings hosted by the authors themselves. Because they believe that wine is as much a story as it is a beverage. I find all of these cultural trends. How people are trying to tie in the social connection of wine with its consumption assumption in sales very intriguing? I'M GONNA go onto my second topic. which is lens of wine versus single berthollet toll or grape like a Malbak cabernet or a single vineyard estate? Of course a lot of people sort of fetish is the single vineyard. Single grape more micro. But what about blends. So I'm GonNa take a contrarian opinion Dan and stance that would argue. That blends are where it's at. But I'd like to know what you think blends versus single grape or single vineyard. What are your your favorites? What have you tried in the past that just knocked your socks off in either category so blends versus single vendor the reset traditional snobbery Aubrey that a single grape vineyard better than a blend and I think that's because most of us started buying wine at least in North America according into the name of the grape? That's how we got to know wines because we didn't have that European heritage of growing up and knowing that Boorda was a cabernet blend or burgundy is always subpoena no art we just. We didn't learn it that way so we learned to buy wine based on Cabernet when it was written on the label or Chardonnay. These grapes were brand names to us. The follow out or the follow up of that today is that single vineyards are very fashionable. There's there's sort of hip and artisanal like microbrews in beer. So the more specific than more micro you can get the better somehow. The more pure you're the best expression of you know a five centimeter plot. But I would argue. No that's not the case. Let me tell you a few significant facts and stats. That might change your mind as well blends can also come from one vineyard feel blends so the traditional method acid of planting vineyards like I'm talking centuries ago was not to plant only one great. It was to plant plant variety of grapes. And that's what they mean by field blends so when they harvested it all they weren't bringing in just Cabernet or Pino and we're talking about the most coveted vineyards. They were bringing in a real variety of grapes. If you value tradition history a lot of the most coveted vineyards are field lens of many grapes. But let's go even down a notch further. Even grapes themselves. One single grape are Often not just one type of variety for example there are three hundred and fifty different clones of Pinot are and they can be like several. Well maybe not all three hundred and fifty but several can be planted in one vineyard blends give you. I argue that they give you better balance And layers of flavor better diversity of flavor and even more complexity because you've got different components contributing contributing to the overall some of the parts of you will. It's not a direct analogy but it's like cooking with many different spices or ingredients verses versus relying on one spice now if we think about benchmark blends we need to look no further than champagne and bore del. Both of those wines are blends as you probably know. Champagne is a blend of not just the grapes and Grapes being usually Chardonnay Pinot Noir. Warren sometimes penal one day but they're often a blend of vintages in the non vintage wines. The non vintage champagnes are considered bittered. The House Style and the hardest to produce because you want a consistent hell style year after year even in poor vintages so mastering that that blending in the cellar is really pure. Artistry it's almost like having a diversified financial portfolio. Do you want to put all your stocks in oil and gas. Probably not a good -nology right now. You want a diverse portfolio and I think that works with blends and I love how. Some wineries changed their blends from year to year. You know who's famous for that is stratus. He can have up to like seventeen. Different aren't grapes in his red land or even sometimes in his white blend and he's picking. which great did better this year like? which stock did better this year was two two thousand nineteen a better year for Chardonnay versus diverts demeanor? And he'll blend them all. I usually prefer a blend unless the single vineyard is just stellar even really good vineyards in excellent vintages can benefit from a little tweaking from gifted winemaker. Just two to five percent of something else can make a difference. You know what that is so astute Peter because the traditional wrong reds or Straw in the Rhone Valley very traditional. Even if it's mostly Surata have two or three percent beyond yea a white grape in a red blend to give that floral lift mid Palate Allitt and it just that little lick wouldn't think let's two to three percent GONNA do. It actually makes a big difference. It's really amazing. So just consider that even most grower. You know those single vineyard single-site Champagnes are blends. Even within those single sites and of course Bordeaux I mean shadow Margo Chateau Lafite Latour. They're all blends of up to five grape. Says we know. Cabernet Sauvignon Cabernet franc. Doc Mayor loop teat fair dough Malbak. no-one would argue that. Those are second rate wines. Even penfolds grange the iconic flagship ship. Australian wine is a blend of regions. It's like really diverse multi regional line. But somehow I think think we're kind of stuck on the premise that a single grape or single vineyard single grape is more representative of terroir that climate and soil. Perhaps it is but I'm not sure that's the be all end all so open for discussion. As is everything else. My third and final topic is wine scores. We had submission a California cabernet which sold out within hours because the Toronto Star critic gave it. I think ninety six points this wine. That's less than twenty bucks. There's also been an Italian reviewer. Her that is starting to come on the scene at least in terms of being quoted in the L.. CBO and he's giving out a lot of ninety eight. So I just WANNA share with you my a review of submission. I I should probably tell you. I'm not going to reveal the name of my reader here but I received this note from from a raider. He says submission Cabernet Sauvignon was featured in yesterday's vintages release. It was promoted in the Toronto Star with a score of ninety six six at sea. The wind sold out yesterday. On the first day of its release I managed to get a couple bottles and tried it yesterday evening. It was absolutely terrible. I noticed that you didn't give it a very high rating and let me share with you. The rating I did give it as I said that Charles Star gave it a ninety six I gave it an eighty seven and this is my review very sweet. Chocolate MOCHA coffee. aromas on the nose and palate of this generously oh caged wine and that is a euphemism. Hell Lot oak suppling smooth finishes very sweet as well. Almost a dessert line here with milk chocolate and whipped vanilla cream pair with chocolate Scotty so anyway. And that's my review. I should probably take a deep dive into wine reviews in a future chat because I think that might be very helpful but this was just so easy coming up lately. It's been on a lot of blogs and social media and I'm just getting a lot of e mails from my readers. I will go into a deep dive on my I scoring in the future. Take care next week bye for now there you have it. I hope you enjoy this chat. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it especially one. WHO's interested in the wine tips? I shared my podcast. It is easy to find whether you search Google on its name on reserve wine talk or on my name. You'll find links to the winds. I mentioned the video version of this conversation version and how you can join us on facebook. Live this evening for a terrific wine chat in real time and always with wine in the show notes and and Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty one. Finally IF YOU WANNA learn why red wine should not be your default pairing for many cheeses. Join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. Next week we'll chat with Jamie Evans known as the herb Psalm or Somalia who talks about pairing wine and we'd yes cannabis now that it's legal in Canada and in many. US states. Are you curious like I am about the combination and the similarities between them. We'll find out next Wednesday. Thank you for taking the the time to join me here. 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83: What's Trending in the Wine World with Darren Oleksyn

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38:36 min | Last month

83: What's Trending in the Wine World with Darren Oleksyn

"The lateral line is basically wanted its purest form. They do it simple as they can. They grow organic grapes, biodynamic grapes. They bring them in. They use natural yeast. That's in the air. They don't add any yeast. They don't add any kind of additives or chemicals or anything. They make the wine. And they put no sulphur, or maybe just a small amount of sulfur in the line at the end before they Korkut, and there it is winding its purest form, whereas orange wine is not necessarily natural wine. It's kind of like all champagne, sparkling wine, but also working wind is not champagne our. Is White wine. where they fermented on skins, so it's on the skins for quite a while, and that gets his color. That's where you get the orange color from and you get ten in which? Lead on necessarily see very often been the white one. Do. You have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people, ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved wine. Talk podcast. I'm your host, Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you, unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from own tipsy journey as I, write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass me that bottle. Please and let's get started. Welcome to episode eighty-three. What are the hottest Wine Trans Right now? What's the difference between a natural wine and an orange wine? our new drinks like wine and Penal Frisia here to stay. Out of canned wine up against its bottle counterparts. And why has rosa been to move from fad to mainstream? That's exactly what we're going to learn in this episode of the unreserved Wine Talk Podcast. We're chatting with Darrin. Election wine columnist for the Calgary. Herald and CO author of uncorked the definitive guide to Alberta as best blinds under twenty five dollars along with fellow writer Shelly botch her. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook, live video show a couple of years ago, so keep that in mind as the context for Darren's comments. He mentioned some predictions about the upcoming legalization of cannabis in Canada, which has since become legal, but I'm leaving in his comments. As I think, they provide some interesting insights. Also, you'll hear me respond to viewer questions. You can be part of that conversation. Every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern. I'll include a link as to where you can find us on facebook as well as the video version of this conversation in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash three. If you want to discover mouth watering juicy wines, and what to pair with them. Sign up for my free online video wine class, the five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. Go to Natalie, MacLean, dot com forward slash class, and she's a time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you inside the class. Okay on with the show. Our guest, this evening has been working as a journalist for twenty eight years and writing about wine for the past five for one of the country's largest newspapers, the Calgary Herald, and before that for wine access magazine, he is also judged in competitions, and in two thousand thirteen he wrote, uncorked the definitive guide to Al Burda's best wines under twenty five dollars with his friend and fellow Wine Writer Shelly. Blocher any joins. Joins me now from his home in Calgary Darren election. How are you? I'm great. How are you doing good? Thanks for joining us. We're all excited to talk to you Darren. There is just so much to cover here I. Don't know where to start, but maybe the question I get. Maybe you get as well as a columnist. Let's start by sorting out. What's the difference between these natural wines in the orange wines? while. Natural Line is basically wanted its purest form. They do it as simple as they can. They grow organic grapes, biodynamic grapes. They bring them in. They used natural yeast. That's in the air. They don't add any yeast. They don't add any kind of additives or chemicals or anything. They make the wine. And they put no sulphur, or maybe just a small amount of sulfur in the line at the end before they Korkut and there it is, it's winding its purest form whereas orange wine is not necessarily natural wine. It's kind of Lake got all champagne is sparkling wine, but also sparkling wine is not champagne. Orange line is white wine. where they fermented on skins, so it sits on the skins for quite a while like. His color. The orange color from and you get ten in which is simply don't necessarily see very often been white wine, right and light line. I've got an orange wine. Right here from South Brook in Ontario, I find it exotic sort of like earl grey tea and different things I've never tasted in a white wine very very different. Your flavors are a little different in the mouth seal is a whole different experience for someone who doesn't like white wine, but lakes red wine could maybe be sort of A. To get you into white wines, it's sort of adding between territory. I've also heard that orange wine can be kind of a wind for beer. Drinkers I find a lot of similarities between this and some of the. Beers just the knows there's something going on there. A lot of times sort of a sour note to live that you can find in some of the craft brewers tubes so. Okay go back to natural winds. Is this new phenomenon? Where did this trend start? If you will or what's the origin of naturalized? Somewhat knew I. Guess it's sort of dates back to the nineteen eighties, there was a group of winemakers in bourgeois in southern France who decided they wanted to try making wine without any chemicals or any additives or any soul for part of the reason was thought. Maybe they would have less hangovers become. So for the wine. They thought that might be a problem. They started making these natural winds, and it's kind of taken off. It's really built sort of a cult following in. It's really broadened out now. There's actually seminars or festivals now around the world for natural wines, and it's become quite a big thing in people are very passionate. Yes there are there's books. There's evangelists and it's a big thing. Okay so natural wines dared. What's the association there between what I've heard like with Georgia? Not US Georgia, but the country Georgia, and was it very. How do you say that Query The v? I think clearly yet the now for like the clay. Can you tell us a little bit of background their German? who basically been making orange lines there for eight thousand years? They think it may be birthplace of wine pretty much. They made skin fermented white wines fermented everything on the skin, red or white. They would put it in these big Klay 'em flora that are dug into the ground to keep the temperature somewhat moderate. You know it's worked for thousands of years. Going back to the way things were. What's old is new and everything comes around again and. Cycle cycles it. Is it okay? Do you orange wine there or is it a Blue Line that you have? A bit of both actually. I haven't orange wine. The Lavar Valley, okay, which is not your typical belly grave. Okay, but no, it's beautiful. It's got Tang can dream slavers a fuller body. You can feel the canons. Nice balance. A drinking wall nice okay, and so darren is blue, the new orange. We've got Blue Line. Tell us about what this is. It looks odd got this crazy. One looks like it's going to taste like scope kind of reminds me of listerine in the bathroom or an antifreeze as well. Nice all night. Images. I would say whereas orange wine and natural wine is sort of a trend that's growing and gaining favor. Winds were like a marketing trend I would say it started. In Spain by some. Marketing People I. Guess You'd say. They admitted even on their website, not winemakers that just wanted to shake things up, so they started making this wine. I. Have is a different one, but the sort of the first one was known as Jake and it was a blend of white wine, and then they would add coloring indigo in Anthocyanins, which is blue pigments often found in skins like grape skins in blueberries, and that sort of thing that gives it the blue tinge, so it's natural coloring. If you will from the grape skins I guess somewhat adding no official officially naturally is, if could be uttered caller, I'm not sure. Holly added Wine, but surly look sharp on instagram and well. That's what it's all about right. It's Catcher it is. It's just sounds like a wine made by a focus group. Though to be Oh look at that. That is just not appetizing at all a taste any different. Do you get any blueberries or any blue tone fruit anything? I would just say it's very mellow like this one is not sweet, which is good I was worried might be very sweet, but. Just. kind of I would say kind of bland. Deo, which is not the most exuberant great, but everything is kind of toned down, and you just kind of notice the color, and do you think this is just a fad? That will die out soon or Eventually took a Catholic. So I think it's definitely not like Rosa, which has been growing growing growing, and with good reason I would say the Blue Line will be here today gone tomorrow. Okay all right good to know so into this sort of authenticity and transparency and everything. What do you think about ingredient labelling along that lines first of all? How many ingredients are there approximately in a wine I? Know there's grapes centers. But. In there I thought it was just basically that there are a lot of things that can be added wine, and some of them disappear in the in the winemaking process in some of them. Stay there like to clear the wine. They add things like Ben, tonight, which is a clay or glass, which is a fish Protean, or they might use a protein different things that very fine particles in the line collect to, and then they sink to. To the bottom so that you can add acid, you can add tannin polar. You can enzymes. There are a lot of things that are available winemakers to add you know it would be nice to know what is in the wine bright, and you think it would help consumers to become more educated, or might add confusion and fear, or would there be a sort of getting used to it kind of phase, and then it would be good. I do I think more information is good information. I think it would be helpful for consumers. It would probably be confusing for some. I know you know like the ingredient labels on foods in cans right now. A lot of people don't really read those or understand how they work. Portion sizes, and things like that so is always but. It's my belief that more information. You can have about what you're consuming the better off. You are I, agree and so again related to this. What about health warnings we sometimes see? Don't drink while you're pregnant, but there doesn't seem to be health warnings against underage drinking or excessive drinking or whatever? What do you think about health warnings on wine labels? I don't know I wouldn't mind I like the idea of. Serving size suggestions the how much wind to consume, although the research keeps changing on that, so it's hard to say what really is good I. Don't know about that warrant. I could go without one. Yeah. I like the serving size thing because I think sometimes people don't realize just how many units of alcoholic consuming like. On some Australian back labels you may have seen this daring, but especially with the alcohol creeps up to fourteen fifteen percent, people think it's five glasses of wine and a bottle, but it can be like eight or nine units, or you asses of wine. Can Be deceiving because higher alcohol. That's really the big thing. Right is alcohol content when I in my column I always included because there's so much variance have winds up to fifteen and a half or sixteen percent had an unusually according to their rules. There's a little leeway upper down like a half percent to so yet go from eight percent, wine or seven percent wine, like psycho or something like that to fifteen percent so one bottle of wine, the motive alcohol. You're getting very different depending on. It is extremely different and I. Actually by wind based on it, being thirteen, thirteen, five or lower once it slips up to fourteen I just find. It's like oh too much. It's just all heat and alcohol after that all right. What other big trains are you seeing in the world of wine? What's on your radar? Darren especially as a calmest for the Calgary Herald. What are the things I'm interested in right now is the growth of Ken wine like winds in aluminum cans like a beer? Can that sort of thing? Starting to see more and more of the some of the winds the are actually not too bad was reading the other day Bonny Doon. Vineyards has the line of canned owns now, and they're the lines in very handy, especially in Alberta here. If you go into the mountains, you'd like to have some wine. It's a lot easier to carry a small. That a big heavy bottle, so that's a growing thing I think and then the whole box wine thing is still growing wines on tap I love that idea like Wednesday's so you can get a glass in a restaurant in doesn't really matter when it was opened, it'll still be fresh, so it's nothing a good thing. Yeah, absolutely I didn't know how they kept that. Fresh is an airtight seal on these kegs like. Is it like the bag in a box kite? Empties out. The oxygen is pushed out so then it okay. Oxidizer or anything like that allow. And Linda Michael's is saying also on labels. It would be nice to know that calories per serving. Yeah, all you know were alcohol. You have more calories exactly, 'cause they. You get calories from both alcohol and the sugar content so even when it's fermented to dryness, your calories are switching over onto the other side alcohol side terms of where they're coming from. That's true and talking about trends, one of the trends that I do like is you're seeing more lower alcohol. Why Not Law? The hall by winemakers are making wines at? All Levels now like twelve. You can get twelve percent weights and eleven percent whites. From smeal convened valley. I think I had a cab franck that was twelve percent. Nice to see they're still writing. Everything is good and fresh, and it's just you know you don't get so much of that alcohol. And this one, this orange wide I was noticing it was relatively low under Oh, this orange wine, which has packed with flavor, nine point eight percent alcohol while love it, and it's dry. It's not sweet, because sometimes you'll get low alcohol if they haven't fermented to complete dryness like a German riesling say, but this completely dry, nine, hundred and eight, and the other day I tasted a Soviet blown from New Zealand I think it was called the doctors by forest or something, and it was a Soviet law that was at nine percent. It's almost like cheating like you've got all the flavor, but none of the like heavy alcohol, which no one needs I mean if you want that, have vodka. especially for weekday, wine or something right exactly exactly what you want to see hilty. Precisely. Maybe along the lines of natural lines, and so on your fascinated by yeast, so we know yeast converts sugar in the Grapes to Alcohol and Co two, which usually blows off unless you make it a bubbly, but. What is it about yeast that interest you? How does change the flavor of wine? Yeast just add different flavors the way the wind for manse develops different flavor profiles Miss Really quite interesting that. I had never thought east was yeast, and then I learned that you can add a east give a citrus flavor. You can add yeast to give like a stolen fruit flavor in all. These sort of different does one of the trends now is using natural yeast in the air. That's happening quite a lot in the Okinawan Valley. Even they're doing it quite a bit. I think it gives. Gives you a better representation of the area. Because the yeast is from that area, it's not imported from California or something like that from big industrial factory, but it certainly riskier, too. Because sometimes you know, the east may not ferment the wine completely of might stall in the middle from immigration, and that sort of thing, so it's a bit risky, but I can pays off the end. What did they have to deal with? It stalls sometimes they add a little bit of like an industrial yeast than my dad's something. Start it up again. As you use natural yeast over the years you develop these sort of becomes Hardier, and and then you'll run into those problems, but when you're first transferring over to using natural yeast, it's a little bit more touch and go. Okay, so the the east is local, and it can be floating in the air, and that's probably how I wine made. But how does it reveal more of the place of the wine because it's local? What else is happening there like? How does that yeast translate into better representation of the area? I don't know exactly, but I, think you know it's gathering whatever else in the area like Paulin in all these different aspects of the vineyard or the region sorta developed in the yeast disease signaling, living thing like it's always changing mutating that sort of thing. Ed just brings US unique character the place. Right, I wanted to ask you about a few things of just fun fads I think their ads, but your take. I don't know if you've had any of these, but a Pino Free Frigo ever had that. That again brain freezes from Lake, surveys and things, so you seek to drink those sort of things, but I think it's more like a cocktail than I would say almost like making a spitzer with ice. Whatever do you condone dropping an ice cube in wine? I'm a very liberal, you know, do whatever you like, right? It's excellent. Everyone has a different palette of different case. The young displayed wine with an ice cube. That's totally fine that what you want to do I was reading in some Colin recently, where it actually doesn't have enough to dilute the essential flavors and aromas of the wine. It won't wreck your wine in other words so there you go. Licensed to chill. You drink as you I guess right, that's true. Yes, that's true. Sometimes, it's just not an issue. That wine isn't around long, but I've heard of like Pino free. Gio Free Sling again. Ice Cubes in recently and frozen I guess was very two thousand seventeen. But there you go you mentioned this earlier. Why do you think Rosie is on the upswing? It's a trending up kind of wine. Why do you think that is? I think the consumer started to notice that. There's good as out there for many many years when you said. It was more like blush white Zinfandel and those sorts of wines. That were sickly sweet. Dark Red in color and the tasted manufactured, but they discovered the wise of Provence rose as from Provence where the dry they've less flavor, and they look beautiful, so wineries are starting to follow that style, and you see so many rose as like the wine reserve making rose as left and right because they're selling really well now. I think that's outstanding. It's a great food wine to ride like air things and you can drink it all year much just the summertime. Yeah, there's no labor day kind of. On that one can keep drinking your Rosa and wearing white. So, what wine do think? We're GONNA see in the fall other than the new vintages come out like. Is there anything that you look for in the fall with wine trends. Usually you know you start to go to fuller-bodied reds like right now. We're in this transition zone, getting into cooler weather so little Jagna, like drink, those and Gamay, usually a well war in the fall of. Cold temperatures and the Okanagan one of the things too I know you're interested. In is the increasing number of sub appellations. Tell us about that and why you think it's kind of a marker for the maturity of the Canadian industry the wine industry. Our wine industry in Canada's very young. You know when you think. Georgia they making winds for eight thousand years. We've been doing really seriously with visibility for grapes for twenty, five years, so we're growing. We're getting more vineyards now. The wineries are figuring out what grades grow best in what areas. Some dividing say the Okinawa in Bali used to be just Okinawan Valley. Was Your own script heard now? You can have Golden Mile Bench they. Created that some Gi they call it geographic indicator a few years ago and last month. They included Okanagan falls. They created one for that. You're mad. Events now is on the way. It looks lakes. For the consumer when you're buying wine, if you see this description on the label, you have a better idea that all the groups are from this area, so it's that area as specific line that's good or a specific sort of note to the wind. You can look forward in that wind It'd probably be there. It's just. And it's about learning. What grows best in your region twenty years ago, never be Cabernet Sauvignon grown in northern Belle. Peter Navarro down by Soyuz. Now you know figured out a Pinot noirs better in cool climates. That's growing up north. Let's do caps of down by Soyuz Nicole Bench, so just maturity and figuring things out and along with those sub appellations. We've got some new APPALACHIANS based on styles rather than regions in Ontario. There's the orange wine that is just come in, and that's more based on a way of making these wines right? That's right. That's right so you. You were describing that sort of leading the skins of the grape. Sit on the juice to give it the tinge, and the Tannen and so on, but what's the one that's going on in Nova Scotia Right, now now they've invented or started the Appalachian called. Tidal Bay in that is also related sort of how the wine is made not necessarily the region. It's a Nova Scotia line, but it has to use specific. Graves entered us to have like Zini. Break as city, and so the tasting panel that tastes these wines to make sure that they sort of meet all paradigm or whatever. Good calling cards Nova Scotia people say by a bottle of title by the idea what it will taste like. It's lovely. It's just like ocean spray to me. It's perfect with shellfish like lobster tidal bay. It's still floral and air matic. It's lovely and light low alcohol. Definitely definitely very good. They're allowed to go over eleven, percent or something like that very exactly. It's really low. Lower. Yeah Gale Johnson from Saint Catharine says with regards to Orange Wines being an old technique I was wondering if there's a particular reason why it was abandoned like a while back, and then now we're coming back to it and he thoughts on that there I don't really know I think probably as winemaking matured, and they learn out of control for medications, better and things like died in, and you could cool wines. You refrigerate wine, so they would last. Last longer. I think it probably just emerged. You took these new processes we have now in like stainless steel fermenters. You can keep your temperature vary exact. You can really control of the winemaking experience from start to finish. So you know probably more control was thought to be better, but now the people are going in the other directions saying well. Maybe this is a good way to do so. There's enough room on the table for many different styles wine. Linda Michael's is asking Darren. Would you say that wine Eastern and central? Europe are becoming trendy, so I guess we're talking about Hungary Bulgaria. Menia yes, there's a lot more wines from those areas. They've good terroirs. They just didn't have investment. You know especially the former Soviet republics. Communism was not good, so why? But you make this. This is how you make. It admits it, but now people are starting to invest in some of these areas in Houston syncing very nice wines at really good price points to right because and is very cheap, he yes. deb Is asking. What's your favorite Viande Darren? From, Canada I really loved the video nave from laughingstock. Case to me. It's like a picture perfect. Vilnius's shows the Nice Apricot, peach flavors. It's quite full bodied as a nice long finish. It's always wanted my go to video news. That sounds lovely. So Darren I have to ask this fall. We're going to have the legalization of cannabis. What do you think if any will be the impact on wine? Well as a bit of an open question, but there has been legalized cannabis in the US for in some states for a while, so they've done research on on that front. Was Looking at a study in Colorado where they found that when the legalized cannabis beer sales started to drop, so maybe that'll come here it. Didn't really look at wine. In particular rooms more so focused on beer, but I'm sure we'll have an effect, and you can certainly see like the wind companies are watching this. Last week or a couple of weeks ago, constellation brands one of the biggest beverage companies in the world. Made five billion dollar investment in the Canadian Cannabis Company called Canopy Growth Flou- Molson coors is also off into this industry, so you. They know it's coming in who knows maybe we'll see cannabis laced wine, or you're somewhere down the road line and we'd pairings go. Yeah, that's going to be an interesting thing to see how all of this impacts they're doing beer with think cannabis, but others potholes. There's edibles. There's all sorts of categories, but I think they have to sort it all out in terms of the formats, and who's going to sell it all the rest of growth area right like. Only certain companies can grow the cannabis, but once you buy it. It's a little more liberal way. You can do with it, so the find creative ways to sell it. Yeah, I'll bet a growth area I'm sure you're that. Sorry to couldn't resist. All right, so Darren just a few off the cuff. Quick answers because I love to just ask our guest this. What advice would you give to your thirty year? Old Self probably to buy more Quality Leslie Scott's. Lucchese wine that I really liked I would buy like Oh, I need two or three bottles of that, and then you find out really age that well. It's been lost in the cellar and acids. I am when you have it so via less wind, but better wind that allow hold up for longer it. Absolutely, and this may be the same answer. I'm not sure, but what's the best piece of wine advice you've ever received? Is there something different there? I would just say I was told by drink. What you like right lake yet? Don't be intimidated by wine or wine, snobbism or anything like that wine is just a beverage to enjoy, and whatever you like is good. Everyone's Alad is different than in different everybody, so go with what you know what you like. You Bet that. What do you think is the worst piece of advice? People get about wine. What stares people in the wrong direction with this? IDEA, the red wine should be at room. Temperature know that works hundred years ago when you lived in a woodfired cottage in it was like sixteen degrees in there, but our control homes are much warmer and usually it's too warm for red wines. You get flabby and they lose a lot of their back on their structure. The acidity drops know if it's a full bodied red authored in the fridge for ten minutes or something like that just to take the edge off. Later Red Lake Gamay. You can put it any longer, and it really does fresh of wine and bring it into Balance Yeah. It really does. I agree with you wholeheartedly now if you could share a bottle of wine with anyone, living or dead, who would that be? Why and which one would you share? That's a hard one. I was maybe Luke Lico she. Changed Champagne making a lot, she invented riddling basically in champ. He did light of the amazing things and. Dealt now. Yeah, what is riddling just for those who don't? Put the bottles inverted has slowly rotate them so that all the east collects in the neck of the wine and the naked ejected, so you don't have particles in your wine was stetzer champagne and she did. It is in a woman back then like you have respect that so much, so she cheese kitchen table? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Resourceful? Yes, I'd like to. Be a real interesting person to talk to you like she was kind of a tough old bird in her her rash photos. She's like very stern, but while she lived to her eighties, but took over this company, the cliquot house of Champagne when she was in her late twenties with daughter Clementine eight years old. Can you imagine turn of the Century Napoleonic wars? And she just stepped up and created when the best luxury brands in the world. It's so impressive. Amazing that's a great answer. I would love to meet with her to. Is there a tip or something? You could share with our audience something. They can try with wine this week to come up their game or learn more about why. I would go back to the chilling thing like. Register cool down a little bit. See how it changes may be as an experiment. Try It at room temperature. Leave one than the bottle in the fridge. And they let a cool for a little bit for say. Ten minutes Lynn Poor glass and then compare the two and just see how it changes. Great idea. It's always good to learn. Side by side is the. The best way to learn like people think. How do you get these differences? It's because you know you tasting six winds, whatever side by side? That's how it jumps out at you. It's not trying to one wine in isolation. Now. That is difficult. Is there anything that we haven't covered Darren that? He wanted to mention as we sort of wrap up here. Wonderful Conversation. Not, really Sumer. No, that's good. That's good. We've covered it all. And where can people find you online on twitter? Med Do Lexin at twitter dot com. Kate Gotcha and we can find your columns in the Calgary Herald onsite. Herald Dot Com all right. Darren. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate your time. Great answers in insights into these wine trends and lots of learning. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Thank you. It was great fun. Thanks, Okay bye-bye! Will there you have it i? Hope you enjoyed this chat with their election. Here are my takeaways never won? Darren clarifies the difference between natural and orange winds, giving us a solid definition of both. Since the show aired the Union for the defense of natural wines, based in France has come out with a definition of natural wines and involves twelve rules among them that the grapes are organic hand harvested, and that the yeast is wild and native to the area, not a commercial strain, and that there is less than thirty milligrams of sulfur per liter in the wine. As well, there are no winemaking interventions such as reverse osmosis to reduce the alcohol level, filtration or flash pasteurization to stabilize the wine. This vin methodic natural is recognized by the National Institute for Origins and quality the NATO. Which is the French Ministry for Agriculture and the French Fraud Control, Office and wines that comply with these rules will be allowed to have the designation on their label. The hope is that this classification becomes adopted throughout Europe and then the rest of the winemaking world. There is a lot of debate and push back against such definition, because many believe that what a natural wine is should be left to the interpretation of the winemaker. And that it will differ from region to region based on different climactic and soil conditions among other things. They also believe that you can't co defy a winemaking, philosophy and approach to life and small-scale farming. There's also the fear that big corporations will co OP. The term meant for Boutique Artisanal producers and diminish consumer trust or at a minimum create confusion. Never to Darren points out that orange winds may or may not be natural lines. Their definition, though has greater clarity since it refers to a winemaking technique rather than to a philosophy. Orange or Are White, wines that are amended on their skins for some length of time, which imparts color flavor and Tannin the latter being unusual for white wines. Orange Windsor often great wines for Ip, a beer, fans or red wine drinkers who want a white wine with a little more heft. It's a relief to know that blue wine is probably a fad notes of antifreeze in scope anyone. Ironically scope ran a recent commercial with too snobby wine tasters in seller swirling the brands mouthwash in a wine glass. Please save us. Number four I agree with Darren that ingredient labelling on wine bottles would be helpful, even if it does cause some confusion initially. I know that when restaurants started putting calorie counts beside menu items. My eating habits changed for the better. You won't want to miss next week when I'll be chatting with Dr. Antonia Manta, she's a professor of marketing and consumer psychology at Brock University's Goodman School of business in Saint Catharines Antero now I. Know I mentioned this last week that we'd be chatting with her this week, but there were some scheduling changes. Antonia is an associate fellow, the cool climate, ethnology and viticulture institute. C. C., O. V. I. or Covy. The university's research institute focused on the Canadian grape and wine industry. She runs behavioral experiments out of the consumer perception and Cognition Laboratory. She'll be chatting with us about celebrity athletes who own wineries and how the fit between the athletes particular sport affects our perception of the wine. We'll look at examples from the world of. Wrestling and speed skating. And, it's not what you'd expect. Antonia joins me from the university in Saint Catharines next week. In the meantime, if you missed episode twelve about the hotly debated topic and trend of wine scores go back and take a listen I'll share a short clip with you now to wet your appetite. For the first few years that I wrote about wine. I didn't score them as I. Just didn't have the confidence to do it. I just wrote tasting notes. However. My readers kept asking for scores as they really wanted this shorthand for their shopping lists. Some wanted to do a quality price ratio analysis or Using my score for quality against the price of the wine. Like the way they evaluate shares of a company. So to be of service, I started writing wines. However I still don't score winds below eighty as I don't think they're worth your time or attention. Do. You really want to remember a long list of wines that you shouldn't buy. However this easily understood shorthand for quality is also the most difficult to pin down is a five good, very good or great. If you like this episode, please tell a friend about it. Especially when his interested in the fascinating wine tips and trends that Darren shared, you'll find links to the winds. We tasted a full transcript of conversation. The video version of this chat, and where you can find us on facebook live every second Wednesday at seven PM. That's all in. The show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot. com forward slash eighty three. And if you WANNA connect with me, personally join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. Thank you for taking the time to join me here I hope something great is in your glass this week. Perhaps, a lovely orange wine. You don't WanNa. Miss One juicy episode of this podcast. 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56: Champagne Special with the Restaurant Guys Mark Pascal and Francis Schott

Unreserved Wine Talk

51:06 min | 7 months ago

56: Champagne Special with the Restaurant Guys Mark Pascal and Francis Schott

"So you go into a restaurant you sit down the wine list. It's thome. What do you recommend I fall? I look at what kind of joint semi in is this a lassie place. That has awesome staff who are going to be y knowledgeable could be assimiliate. Could be the wind dude. But if there's somebody there that I think really does know the list. I'm going to ask that person person. The person who works in the restaurant always knows his or her winless better than I do because chances are they've tasted the wines on the list let's hope they have and NS. There's really no one in sight or no one's coming forward in terms of who knows the list. I'm going to look for regions. I may personally be familiar with four. What is this restaurant? Specializing in is if it's an Italian restaurant I'm GONNA look at the Italian list because it's going to match the food most likely but also let's hope they have a special passion for the wines from that country I'll narrow it down further to that and then of course I'll stay within my price range and then hope that this. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories stories about wonderfully obsessive people. ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here. You're on the unreserved wine. Talk podcast I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you. UNFILTERED conversations stations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm I'm so glad you're here. Now Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode sowed fifty six merry Christmas happy Hanukkah and joyous days off no matter what you're celebrating in today's special holiday edition and I'm chatting with Marc Pascal and Francis shot on their excellent radio. Show the restaurant guys. They've been in fine dining being in the wine retail business for more than twenty five years each and co own stage left restaurant in New Brunswick New Jersey which the New York Times James has ranked in their excellent category and city searched named among the top ten restaurants in America and worth the drive from any major city since I've chatted with them. They've launched a second restaurant called Catherine Lombardi and their stage left. Wine shop is booming. Although although there radio show was wildly popular they decided to retire. It and focus their time on the restaurants and wind teak and actually get a full night's sleep now and then I wanted to share this with you because we dig into some of my most personal and earliest wines stories as well as tips on how to choose a great festive mystifying pairings for Turkey dinner and navigating a great big restaurant wine list. This is actually two episodes rolled into one. As as I've been a guest on this show a number of times I'll put links to their website restaurants and social media handles in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot dot com forward slash fifty six. So have you saved your spot in my new online video class called the five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. Well if not get yourself over to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and choose is a time and a date that works for you. It's a very merry session. Where we have lots of fun tasting and pairing wine together come on and join me all right on with the show Lorraine Good morning to the restaurant guys Muskau and I'm here with my partner Francis Shop Together? We own stage left restaurant in New Brunswick New Jersey where to give you the inside track on food wine and the finer things in life today on the this show. We have a special guest hailing from Canada. We have Natalie. Maclean has one of the most interesting wine websites and McLean holds down a day job as a wine writer speaker and judge according to her website. She's an accredited sommelier. She's a member of the national capital sommelier guild the wine writers circle and several French wine societies with complicated names. That I'M NOT GONNA go into in in two thousand and three Natalie was named the world's best drink writer at the World Food Media Awards in Australia and she joins us from her home in Canada. Hi There Natalie. Welcome to the show. Natalie guys how are you doing great so your website is pretty interesting. How did how we're gonNA link your website? It's our websites everybody can go to you. Were restaurant guy's radio DOT COM and then get linked up and find Natalie. How did you start this thing? And what's what's the purpose. It's a pretty mammoth and pretty comprehensive wind website one of the best out there. Thanks very much It's grown organically like most websites. Over time. I started writing about wine About five I six years ago I like to say I started drinking when I met my husband. Yeah I haven't had a reason to stop just a reason to make it more respectable by writing about got it. Actually I was in high tech marketing and Husband and I had a son who is now about six and I was on maternity leave and I say to most those people you know owning a sleep deprived state. Could you think that a career path of high tech marketing to writing about wine makes sense so anyway I was wondering around. Our local grocery store picked up beautiful food magazine thought. Why isn't there a wine article because I had just studied about wine for fun and thought this just going to see if They might like to have an article about one on the Internet. Because I've taken the wine courses in you know working in the Internet space and they can do that. Magazine was it was called President's choice. It's play off one of the brands in our local grocery store. Yeah and and went from there she. She accepted the article she said. Well Oh you published and I'm thinking yes my high school newspaper showdown I am now and so if you've heard this and so how do we get from there to having. What is it pretty substantial Daniel website? It's passion for wine and a passion for writing and I just feel so fortunate to combine the two so overtime over these last six years. I've been writing for more and more publications and what I do. Is I put online or into my email. Newsletter the articles that have been published in various places. Because that's started kind of without without really thinking it through either. I mean friends who didn't live close by and couldn't get the magazine for which I was riding said. Email me your articles. The thought you know over time I thought. Why don't I do this in an organized? Way And now they're readers in thirty six countries for this. Why newsletter understand what you the same thing with broadcasting aradio show we broadcast out of Central Jersey and we just said what the heck? Let's throw it up on the web. Now we're at about twelve thousand people a week that download the show Um growing. I WanNa know how you become L. Magazine's top thirty power. Women can't just be luck. They had to fill in a spot. Yeah well they'd heard about some of the awards that had one and I think they really wanted to round out the roster. They had their usual whatever celebrities and so on but they wanted to get those unusual career. Paths that everyone aspires to when they retire so I was lauded in there because the editor had seen and something or another that I had written and she threw into the mix well on I think that one of the one of the things that is very interesting and the way. I'll tell everyone the way that we came across. Natalie's website is we obviously do a Lotta research on on different aspects of wine and food and I would look up a number of different topics and Natalie's website would pop up is one of the many good sources of information unload of different topics and finally I said okay. Who is this woman and so now than ever radio show? It's mice used to call up. Anybody WanNa talk to you and and get them to talk to me for half an hour. Tom How do you take that career path. And I'm assuming actually make a living off this now. Yeah yeah barely but how does understand and just so everyone knows what you've got. Natalie has the website but she also. It's you subscribe. You'll get the newsletter sent to you on a regular basis exactly. It's a free newsletter because I emma repurposing the content that has appeared elsewhere. I've been paid for it so off my website Natalie MacLean dot com. You can sign up for this newsletter but the way I earn my living is to publish those articles in print first somewhere and so I write for publications in the US. Canada Australia written and so on because wine as as you know like food is a universal topic so you can talk about the health benefits of wine food and wine matching choosing a restaurant lists and so on it travels pretty well around the world. But how did you get yourself to the point where you are an expert. Well you know what when you say that I still feel like I'm an expert I over okay okay I feel I learn as I go. You know what I'm thinking about. What should I write about? I think what question do I want to answer. What what am I not know enough about? I'm kind of intimidated in terms of choosing off a restaurant. Lists what is it. The restaurant wireless that. I've never seen before. Are there some tips I can and then how you been. How do you go find the information? I do log into about sixty five wine columns around the web a lot of free content still out there. Yep and I call the other. So called experts sommeliers bartenders. Whomever might lend some expertise on the topic and very important to bounce ideas off of people in the field feel and you can feel free to call us from now on my list? We're talking about you being from Canada now. Do you have particular expertise in Canadian wines or particular focus Canadian once I have easy access to them. And I'm I'm a fan of Canadian wines. Although I'm pretty universal in my taste but yes we have two excellent wine regions here in candidate in the Niagara area that borders New York and Ontario and of course the open August in DC and we're producing really good wines. It's just we produce them still in very small quantities. So you're not gonna I see a lot of those lines in the US just yet. Though there is a I think a predisposition the United States and we think of for New York state lines and Canadian wines to think that the best ones at a sweet wines either great dry ones being produced up there there are indeed certainly ice lines. The sweet dessert wine put us on the map was a lot of those company United States. Yeah and it goes along with the cliches of igloos polar bear cell but moving beyond that we do produce two excellent cool climate it lines. That's what we have here so recently. That does well in Germany. It does well here and Pinot noir the great dry table wines in those styles and Natalie. I lived in Canada for the first two years of my life. There are certainly a few months of the year that you could igloos. And such find perpetuate stereotypes. Well I'm on. Its nose a lot but you've seen we've seen some here. I think again people think reasoning they think sweet. But we've seen a number of dry reasonings in from from Canada and it's killing winery. We see a lot down here. You write about that a lot in your column. My first loyalty is to reader so what they can get. What's a good value? What taste ace? Great and what's available if that happens to be a Canadian wine. Great away the flight. But you know if it's a Chilean whatever souvenir blah. That's what else did the story Orian. That's my focus is what's best for the reader in terms of you know what wind sits esteem goes with this food or whatever I think also was very interesting about your site is it's not just a ranking thinking of the best or writing of his bathroom actually in-depth an interesting articles about individual topics. But what prompts you to pick a topic to write about I mean what do you find that you read is the most interested in is it service. Is it where to find good wines or is it about specific regions reader response is very critical to me. And sometimes I feel like I have fiber optic cable connected right to my nervous system because I get a lot of email every day we just terrific. It keeps me grounded so the two hottest topics in the world of wine are. How do I buy wine base with a shelf of thousands of bottles heli by it so that I can match it with whatever I'm eating tonight and when I'm in a restaurant how do I choose? Choose from that list. That looks so scary being the restaurant for. What is your first advice? If we give people advice on this all the time but I I would love to hear so you so you go into a restaurant you sit down this wanting wine list. It's thome what do you recommend which. which by the way we have a daunting as a restaurant? So excellent You're the heck out of people I know first of all I look at what kind of joint my an you know. Is this a classy place. That has some staff who are going going to be Wi- knowledgeable could be me could be the wind dude. But if there's somebody there that I think really does know the list. I'm going to ask that person regardless of of how much I know about why. The person who works in the restaurant always knows his or her winless better than I do because chances are Zave tasted the wines on the list. Let's I hope they have one of the things we like to do. In that same instances. If my waiter really doesn't seem like you know don't be afraid to kick it up one more step. Yeah writing the yeah. I don't know but We'll get somebody who does exactly so my first question when I don't know if the waiters knowledgeable or not I don't WanNa put him or her on the spot so I'll say could. I talked to someone who really knows this list. Maybe who's tasted a lot of the things that are on here and then I'll leave it open because the person may jump in and say well I have. That's great I don't WanNa make them feel whatever and they very well may have. Yeah exactly yeah. That's my first step and then there's really no one in sight or no one's coming coming forayed in terms of who knows the list. I'm going to look for regions. I personally be familiar with. I like whatever California Chile really and I may. I may know the wines bit better from that region. Yeah I'm GONNA focus on. What do I like? Or what is this restaurant. Specializing in is if it's an Italian restaurant I'm going to look at the Italian list because it's going to match the food most likely but also let's hope they have special passion for the winds from that country it's all narrowed down further to that and then of course I'll stay within my price range and that'll help the best. I'll tell you much more likely to take a chance in a restaurant where I feel that. There's someone knowledgeable if I've gone to a restaurant where I'm not seeing a lot of people who are into wine or into the wireless where the wine glasses don't even look. Look that's a big issue for me. What's table dressed with if I'm in a place where the table isn't dressed with nice glasses or where I feel that? There's not a lot of activists about wine and in the room that I'm much more likely to go with something tried and true. We recommend the same thing that you ask if someone does around his jazzed about one knows about one and and I think one of the greatest things being in the restaurant business for the last fifteen years or so he's seeing the increasing level of professionalism and the increasing level of people who are really into it who are who are doing this thing but every once in a while we'll get what I call the wind joker right and I and I know he's a joker because I'm an expert but the guy comes over again I'd do I. You know I know all about one and doesn't really know anything. What do you do when you find yourself in a situation like thirty think there are any telltale signs for people to realize they're in the hands of a one joker? Well yeah exactly. Oh that's a toughie. I know one time I said to the guy who just poured my mind. I think this line is court and unhealthy glass up to the light goes. I can't see any floaty. Bits happy to run it through US fits for you. I'm thinking okay town to get firm in the audience. Sorry Mark You can do that. But for those in the audience. Court doesn't mean core clothing. See something that's a flaw. It comes from a cork about aligned. And if you're a wind joker you wouldn't know that right right and you'll like cardboard or paper exactly so oh boy that's a tough one because okay. So if the guy is a joker and he's recommending something. Ah I guess he just ask them questions. Try to fish it out in terms of fifty knows what he's talking about or she and if not maybe say well you know. That's a really interesting selection. If we were having it may be different dishes. I think we'll just go to. The joker is gender neutral. Right exactly joe gets but not say that. I think that one of the clues that I have if someone's really serious about one first of all if somebody's excited about it you can tell but the person who's not excited about it mark and I have been out recently in a couple of restaurants where a a automatically recommend the most expensive with the second most expensive bottle on the list now. There are times when that's appropriate. But they should be feeling you out to price first of all you is a guest as a Consumer Sumer guests in the restaurant should be giving indication about what you want to spend and if you're in a social situation we can't say the price for I'm Guy I'll say listen. I want to spend a hundred bucks or less. I WANNA spend fifty bucks or less us but if you feel in a in a situation where you're guy says Whatever sure fortunately? I'm able to do that but when you are talking with. A sommelier feel free if you can't say the price range looking at point prices on the list of person can see and if you're pointing a fifty dollar bottles and they bring something out. Ah I never shy about asking how much it costs because I've been slammed a few times. Yeah I think that is so rude. It's you know the the woman who produces our show for us. Just just got back from a fact-finding tour of San Francisco for US said. She went to a restaurant and went to purchase bottle of wine. That was let's say sixty five dollars. The someone came back and said I'm sorry we're out of that wine but here I have another. I recommend I recommend this. I've never won. She said the wine was one hundred. Thirty dollars is one. Isn't that horrible. Misses a very highly regarded. Reputable restaurant with my other clues my other clues. Aren't it when you ask someone at a restaurant for recommendation for what you should drink. If they tell you the Robert Parker score or any score anybody can read a magazine. I view that as a negative I think that the best answer you can possibly get when someone says. Well what do you recommend. We have to drink is they should say well. What are you eating? Yeah don't you think right exactly and and maybe another question is what that he tried. Recently that you've liked it gives them a range of both your style your taste preference and your budget. I also like to ask. Ask people if they're in a mood to experiment with something new and that tells me. Do you WANNA stick with Chardonnay. Cabernet or maybe you want to venture into some Shannon a block from Lavar valley from a region of southern air or something. That might be a little bit more interesting. I liked you really assertive. kind of a push pull of for having trouble making the payroll that month like well. If you really love your girlfriend and you will have the very expensive champagne. And how much do you like this woman because you got this or you can have the expensive or is this a special special night favorite. Yeah do you really care about this woman you're dating or so. Are you seeing the same kind of increasing professionalism unwind professionals in restaurants in Canada's in the United States absolutely I think people are just taking it up as a personal passion not even with a career goal in mind but just because they're so interested in wine. I mean as you guys now. I don't have to tell you how you know. How line connects to so many of life and just you know it combines that hedonism I mean you know great ticket of wine but also with the encyclopedic deaths of disconnecting? I think you could do a liberal arts degree absolutely why and you can do it on any level you can just be a casual quad. You can have it as a passion for the rest of your life. I think what's interesting Natalie about your website. Is You really do right in depth. I mean I think. There's a temptation in wine writing to either be writing. Scores like numerical by this. Don't buy that do ten best this twenty best that or to write show simple. Snappy light light six paragraphs easy reading alleman really take topics and you deal with them in depth now. I see that you've contributed to many magazines like the Chicago Tribune. In Bon appetite and food and wine and Reader's digest and BusinessWeek and on and on and on. So who's reading these in-depth articles you guys are Drivers to my newsletter. I also look for magazines and lesser extent newspapers. Who will take longer articles because I find personally it's satisfying to explore an article in-depth explore it fully? Answer the questions that are in my mind in terms of the issues what I call the. What goes around the glass like so not? Just what's in it. We can't forget that that's why we're so passionate about this but also there's so much that goes on around the glass the culture of line that makes it's so interesting and so I can't help myself. I just love to burrow into it and two thousand words later I resurfaced Stanford drank now Natalie. Our are giving you assignments. Are you writing articles on your own ideas and then submitting them. Well at first when I started writing I used to take assignments I still do but I would say ninety ninety five percent of the time now I sort of sit down right what interests me and then thank. Where does this belong in terms of the magazine or publication? That's my approach. Now and it's it's working so far. What are the articles that really caught? Our attention was looking through the glass thinly. Where you dealt with this whole phenomenon that was dealt with in depth by book? That's out there now called why French women don't get fat about how wide-ranging doesn't necessarily lead to weight gain much talk with us about what you learned in that very in depth article well when it comes to wine drinking. There's been in several studies that say with moderate drinking meaning a glasser to for women a day. Maybe two three Max for Manna. Dey shouldn't ruin your diet even if you're on a diet and certainly shouldn't cause you to gain weight. There's a number of factors that contribute to that. They're two things for those of us who are diet crazy crazy diet exactly. I like this diet was better and better. Exactly carrot sticks. Sure they Taylor's well. There are two things so calories is one thing that people count and carbohydrates are the other. What constitutes calories no medical expert by away? There's the disclaimer right upfront. You drink wine and gain weight. Don't get mad announcing Adelaide but the calories in wine come from. I'm two things one is if there's any leftover sugar in the wine so sweet adul- There's going to be calories that come from that sweetness but even when wine is ferment. It completely dry. You will still have calories in it from the alcohol itself. Alcohol has seven calories per gram is how they measure it uh-huh whereas if you compare that to fat or sugar they have Four calories per gram so you know in those high alcohol wines that we're getting now from Australia. Valia California warm climates. They attack a caloric punch but again it's all about having them in moderation so a glass of wine is anywhere from one hundred. Two hundred fifty Taylor is somewhere in their independent. Did average even be a little bit lower. If you're not talking fortified wines arrange might be anywhere from ninety five to up to one hundred fifteen might be an average average. If you're looking at about a twelve percent wine sent by alcohol metal. Yes bigger glasses of wine. But so is the equivalent equivalent amount of calories in wine. Not Bad for you is the same amount of calories and other things well. Why doesn't have any fats so saturated fats are otherwise it doesn't doesn't have cholesterol doesn't have sodium for those on both diets? But it's still has calories so for those who are trying to watch their weight. Calories are calories no matter where they come. I'm from you want to limit your intake of that but to a large extent. Wine is getting better and better reputation in terms of its health benefits. Not only when it comes to the calories and Diet but also to all of those other benefits that we're discovered a little earlier on with the French paradox where it was discovered their heart heart benefits and so on and drove. You know your cholesterol. Well you know one of the I think one of the biggest benefits of wine is that what more and more studies show. If you look at them with a clear I is that it's when people take the time to have a meal at a table and enjoy it and enjoy it with friends you're much less likely to overeat you're much less likely to eat poorly and you're much more likely it'd be healthy. Well I also think you had. You had stress into that as well. What is wine help? Wine is is one of those things that helps relaxing when you drink it in moderation when you're drinking two or three classes asses day not five six seven ten glasses a day and frankly the people who are less stressed are the people who are willing to take a little bit of time and Set that aside to relax over an enjoyable beverage. I know I certainly think a little lax over an enjoyable beverage. We only have a few minutes left. Natalie and I just want to ask you something. They found on your website a little unrelated to one. You should be frightened Natalie. I don't know where he's going but you should be seeing that out. Is it true that you're a championship highland dancer. Yeah retired that is pretty young lassie Steno. Highland dancing is when you dance with your arms in the air right exactly and no scotch because because those sorts of sharp you see you see my ancestors Irish. We danced our hands down at our sides. My Grandmother Was Irish. How do you become become Canadian? Highland dancing wine clean. Oh dear for lots of practice. Yeah how do you get to the juilliard. Yeah lots of the practice. I was raised in Nova Scotia Very Scottish community in the East Coast. And you know the girls did dancing. The boys did hockey. So that was my life life. I loved it. I practiced it three or four hours. A day went to competitions fanatic and then hung up. My slippers. Traded my tumbler for Wang Glass. And you know it's really good about that. Not only let me ask so you still have all your money. I have in my family. The girls all go to ours dancing lessons and two of the guys do and those two guys hate their parents from making them do when seven but when they're thirteen they loved that their parents made them go to the. The odds are completely in your favor and now you WanNa thank you for taking the time to your thanks so much. You're I'm back. You're listening to the restaurant. Guys Martin today joining us again is a regular contributor of ours. Natalie Maclean Natalie. Welcome to the show Francis America to be here you know. It's it's that time again Natalie. It's time to talk about holiday wines. The Autumn is upon us and the holidays are approaching. You have any advice for. Oh sure I love Thanksgiving and the holidays in December. Because I think they're wonderful time to celebrate with wine and you they can only encourage you to drink responsibly. Of course but it does depend Bella type of relatives. You have with Thanksgiving especially if we want to start with with that. I I think you know. Wine itself is a taste of the harvest. Just a wonderful treat to have on Thanksgiving table. I think though that a lot of people get overwhelmed are welcomed with trying to find one perfect line for both the Turkey and all of those side to his cell. I'm here to help them. Arguing politics with relatives. I WANNA have a bottle of wine. I'm from the Irish. We have whiskey in front of us. That's why they get a little more heated than you know. Let's talk about the dining room table on thanksgiving. I talk about champagne in a moment. 'cause that's important little funny story by the my family is to bring the wine for the holidays but also chronically late so I bring all the wine except up the champagne. They want to be sure they have that while waiting. So is my little advice for is if you'RE GONNA if you're gonNA assign someone to bring a champagne assigned someone. Prompt uh-huh prompt is as important as having great champagne. Agree and I think Sam Payne is terrific. A pair of teeth your whistle literally get those juices flowing. Well Turkey's finishing cooking and pains also a wonderful way to start the meal. You know to toast the friends and family around the table. It goes with a lot of starters or meal like Super Super Salads is a great way to start. But you're right. You have to choose someone who gets there. Early in Champaign gets a bad rap that we only seem to have it on New Year's Eve Christmas Eve thanksgiving living where champagne like just said is a great starter. It's something that I go to in the middle of the summertime. I go to in February I go. I start with champagne frequently absolutely. That's that's a great idea. You know because I think sometimes we we think champagne as just a luxury drink. Granted you know. It is tends to be more expensive than a lot of other lines. But it's such a wonderful not and I think it's one of the most food friendly wines on the planet with lots of less expensive sparkling wines from throughout the world. We'll let me let me address that for just a moment. I WANNA give you one caution. That's an old rule but it's still true you know. Sometimes you know there's good why now that comes screw caps on it. They're a hundred dollars bottles of wine. come screw caps on it Champagne comes the cork and the Cork has to made of Cork. So if you've got one of those plastic cork plastic it's not a cork work and the champagne inside is it's definitely not a good but you're screwing off your shampoo but it doesn't it doesn't have to be Francisco thirty the family radio program but the thing about it is look if it says the word champagne and should say the word France somewhere else in the bottle and you know you have real champagne but third grade sparkling wines from around the world. That don't necessarily need to be champagne right now. Absolutely and I think we're the best sources for sparkling wine is California. You know if I look look down there. There's just so many great bubbly from you. Know Domain Carnero's domain Shandong reporter Georgia Georgia. There's so many any good ones. I mean they're Chris their bubbly and they're usually a good twenty twenty five dollars cheaper than non vintage champagne from France and I think they taste just as good they're different. They tend to be fruit ear. But they're lovely lovely bubbly to recommendations that mark and I have for sparkling wines from America in the United States and the now live and ask you for your out your two or one at least one is not from California at all. It's made by a guy named Tony. SOTER who owns who used to own a winery in California is still making the wine on their own Soda Vineyard in Oregon and he has a Beacon Hill Rosaiah attack routes that is spectacular and expensive though that he can and the other be what you would expect to spend for champagne and the other California one is the rotor that you mentioned the rotor Taj Is really a delicious California sparkling wine. What are your picks Natalie route? Ah Rotor for sure and you know there are several champagne. Companies that have California operations being one. That's the French rotor. They used their expertise in the tradition to jump start their California operations but I think my favorite bubbly from California is California. Made Bread born. Orange is transferred to such an elegant elegant bubbly. I you know it's right up there for me with the best of French champion. I WANNA give everybody just little pointers as has your buying sparkling wine from wherever you buy it. Look for the words method. Champenoise was on the label. That is a delineation of quality. It means it's made the same way that the champagne makers from the villagers champagne make their champagne is a tremendous difference in quality than basically away some of the inexpensive champagne makers make their champagne which is the same way we make soda. That's right actually. What you're more likely to see? Today is a method traditional. Yeah exactly the other thing about a little advice for your champagne for both safety of opening an enjoyment a champagne. You've heard US talk on this show. About how white wines are often drunk too cold in this country free champagne needs to be cold right anything. That's got that's like very nice for awhile right. It does both for taste and for safety because if it's not cold enough it's going to is a lot more when you open it. You're going to lose a lot of wine maybe an eyeball or probably somebody else's eyeball but nothing good for the holidays. Treat ornament at at the very least pointed at your in Laws Natalie. Why does champagne to be so cold from a taste perspective? Kinda cool champagne. It's claiming it doesn't work for me whereas I like Chardonnay. A little little warmer I like soviet-bloc. Maybe a little warmer. Why Champagne needs to be so called? I've wondered about that too but I think it's to do with the refreshment and the bubble swarm of bubbles levels passing over your palate is very refreshing and one of the reasons. Why so many dishes? But I don't think I'd want a warm swarm of bubbles. I mean it just tastes like warm career or something and it's probably the same reason we like our beer cold. No warm swarm okay. Next question is one of the big problems with bringing wine for Thanksgiving is the one that goes with. Turkey is unlikely the one that goes with cranberry sauce. How do we deal with that route? You know first of all if it doesn't work out between always say what you like. Don't get caught brought up in the right wine the perfect line but you know I do think we can find a happy compromise. We as very ripe fruity juicy generous red headlines especially like Pinot noir usually Ganay even California's Zinfandel. What we're getting married is the Berry ripeness? That'll moisten the Turkey. Turkey tends to be a dry. I need the way we do it at our house. Probably not the right way but we make up at four it with wine and the other reason is that those reds that I just mentioned don't have a lot of mouth outdrawing Tannin so they're not crushing the Turkey but because they have that Berry do I do find that. They'll go with more of those side. Dishes though cranberries. It's tough but there's a lot of dishes on the table. Have a touch of sweetness that you need a generous berry ripe wine. You're going to white t need probably something. That's a touch off dry like catoon recently. One of the things that I suggest people do. If you're going to drink depending on how large your family is three or four bottles of red wine over the course of dinner I liked open three or four different kinds of red wine and put three or four different bottles on the table and let people sort of experiment and go with what they like or how they structure their plate rather than enforce everybody to have the same thing I like the cheap ones upfront. Some relatives grab those gone one. Yeah what do you think about that. Strategy of Great. That's treating your wines like a side dish which I think is an excellent way to do. Don't get uptight just offer some different lines and what can be fun is if you put a few wine glasses at each place people can even compare which goes better. Do they like the infidelity. The Pinot Noir better with their Turkey and and that could be. There are fun and surprising. I think sometimes when you actually taste the wines that you've chosen with the food that you've chosen there are sometimes some surprises there even for people like and also you don't when you're at the dinner table you don't need to say well mark you know I find the tax structure aggressive for the cranberry sauce wine at a table. Should be like. Hey did you try this. What is this being a New Orleans? Delicious try OH. I don't like that as well as the thing. And that becomes part of you sharing a meal remember. A bottle of wine is shared family family style when we put together a tasting menu in the restaurant paired with seven courses of dinner paired with seven different ones. You're looking for us to bring you through a progression one after the other very carefully a point of view that you're adopting and allowing us to take you down the road that's not what family dining about. That's usually not what dining in your home is all about. That's right yeah I like the informality of that and just passing. The bottle from person to person is a bit. I Dunno tribal and communal. And if you want to be really you get into it you can just drink right from the bottle right ahead. Just wipe it off your crowd. You're speaking of the crowd and the relatives. Here's something that people have a hard time figuring airing out and ask us all the time if you're having people over for maybe orders for a little while family dinner and everybody drinks wine. How much wine do we buy? How do we determined how much white and say? How do we do that share? I start with how well do you know your group. Do you know if they tend to be first of all wine drinkers or do they are. Are there a lot of people who like beer or spirits or whatever because that's going to tell you the next is the Irish part of the family coming and then we which is all of listen. I was just not saying my case. We better have a lot of every true. 'cause you know it doesn't go bad so if you over buy that's a good point you can always save for the next party not so much with the Turkey. Yes but so then. If I didn't know if I thought it was mostly a wine drinking crowd and it's GonNa be a sit down meal. We drink more over a sit down meal than we do it standing cocktail party only and we drink more long meal like multi. Of course dinner along dinner like Thanksgiving so I we calculate at least an average of a half a bottle of wine per adult because some people are. You're not going to drink that much. Some people are going to drink a little more. And of course you WANNA be socially responsible and keep everybody's water glass topped up. But that's what I would calculate on average and I would either do fifty fifty red light Orlean a little bit toward the red wines given just the consumption patterns overall today but you know if you know your group. It's better to go with that. I found that over the years when I first started in the business. Twenty years ago it used to be when you would cater an event or fly the wind for an event. The rule has half a bottle per person then for dinner and then you adjusted if there was a cocktail hour or their children president. Or you know you you could just. The basic statement was going longer right but the basic formulas after dinner half a bottle per person and it was whites over reds two to one. That's changed hasn't it. I think so well and maybe just the crowd. I'm running with but I I think more and more people are drinking red because of the health benefits because we're more wine savvy these days so we're experimenting with the flavors that read offers any think there's a lot of what a lot of wine drinkers start with. Sweet one and start with white wine and then over time they become to a novice drinkers. Sometimes red ones can seem bitter because of the Tannin tenants but but I think that we a nation Down here in the states. Anyway I've watched. People's palates change because sure we used to sell whites over reds two to one and now it's about fifty even you're even selling more red. Yeah no it's true especially at Thanksgiving Dinner Party I think that's really fascinating and with the popularity of Keno Nora after sideways I mean it's the perfect Turkey match. I think a lot of people be up for trying if they haven't I completely agree. That's what you do when somebody brings you a bottle of absolut salute plot. What are you? It's Thanksgiving Day here. I've just brought you the homemade blueberry wine. What do you do in that scenario? I say thank you so much. This is so special. I've really liked to save this for some other opportunities other occasions. I don't know you could open it on the table especially so you're gonNA have multiple bottles. And then when they go to the bathroom floor half a well watered firm there in the living room the dining room though. Yeah you know it's casual and you got multiple bottles open. Just put it out there and contrite if they wanted dirt around the spikes alread now I am of the opinion of open it and serve it to them not the dam make him. That's that's it no no I well the other thing is now. How do we know what we've just struck? Fear into the hearts of men. Certainly our friends ends you bring wine over to our house. Actually you look at it and you what I recommend you take about a you look at it and credulous incredulously and say are you kidding off. I just realized how snobby jerks we are. This is the holidays. Where's tiny tim? Well how does someone who doesn't you know we're we're in the business as we know a lot about wine we're let's see the other perspectives. It's easy to be gracious and accept the bottle of wine but let's take the other perspective. Let's say you are say you know you don't learn novice when you're buying wind for Francis. House thanksgiving look. You don't have to spend one hundred dollars. But how do you go and select a bottle of wine but you know appropriate what what you criterion. Well again if you know your host taste then look for something that They they like you could if you wanted call ahead and say you know I'd love is to bring you a bottle. It depends on how presumptuous you feel that you could say I'd love to bring you a bottle for dinner you know. What are you serving? Could I help. Can I contribute to the winds for dinner. Then then your host has the option to say. Well you know that'd be great. I'd like an ex or I've got these planned out or whatever if you bring it home for dinner I'd it also suggests bringing one for the seller as a gift because you know as the guest you're going to be consuming the bottle you bring so I would also bring one similar one for their seller. It is a funny piece of etiquette. That goes along with bringing a bottle of wine to someone's house when you're invited to a party invited to a holiday party. I remember last year I was invited to a holiday. I didn't know exactly what I I was getting myself into. I went as a guest and I brought a bottle of wine. I knew I was going to well. Honestly a wealthy person's house and there is if you read about this I I remember reading about it years ago. And it's very true. I was taught in my culture. blue-collar firemen Irish Catholic working class culture. You don't show up at someone's house. My mother would take your arms dangling. Bring something when you're invited over someone's house among the upper classes is to really nice party. You don't. It's actually really a bit of a Faux Pas so I wind up in this house with like you know. Ring the doorbell. It's like the church bells are being on the Butler opens the door and we walk into the formal normal receiving power that announced the display Christmas party. And they're serving great rock group. Burgundian is beautiful cater. The Christmas tree looked like something out of the nutcracker sweet on stage and the New York City ballet and I was like hearing brought to you by the lines and it but there is that difference in in you know middle class culture in my values are middle class values. I think for the most part but you don't always show up at the bottom of one. I find that fascinating true and in Paris and probably other there Augusta hotels. You send flowers either before the party or after the next day. Because there's a thing about not thrusting you know a bouquet into your host host and then then he or she has to run off and get a vase or whatever unless they have a Butler of course. But it's just a really classy thing to do to send it before the party or after it's it's really wild and it's just I got well what I have my Agus Mansion. Anyone who wants to bring new bottle of wine can you. So what are the things that I caution. People about is I'll always remember. Are we talking about Zinfandel for the holidays. Now people I remember came into the restaurant one night and we dinner. Every other year called the seven deadly seasons seven zinfandels. And it's a fabulous dinner and these people come in the night before and we had sort of experimented with a lot of the dishes and had them ready to go and it was a party of twelve twelve and I said Francis we want to do something great and I said you know what I'm saying. I could probably just dinner. We're going to be tomorrow night for seventy five people. I could probably pull pull it off for a reasonable facsimile of its effects of tonight. Do you want your own private wine dinner. And they said yes absolutely will go into this well toward the end of the dinner. I had to really caution them. I'm about slowing down their alcohol consumption because one of the things. That's these zinfandels are fifteen percent alcohol. Some of fifteen and a half percent alcohol whereas whereas say a red burgundy might be thirteen percent alcohol whereas German white micro nine when you go on a normal progression of lines. Well some of those winds maybe fifteen percent alcohol but some of them may be eight or nine percent alcohol when you're just kind of hammered away at the fifteen percent alcohol the whole night and can take what it means is is when you you are drinking. You can have half as many glasses of Zinfandel on average as you can of a German white cabinet because there's just why so much alcohol in it and wines overall seemingly red wines especially are getting more and more alcohol. What's your advice for host or hostess to manage that in manageable -tations and make these people and get them home safely and that's an excellent point? I I agree. I just written a An article for my website on the the increasing levels of alcohol. And it's I think it's worrisome. Not just for being socially responsible but also for taste because when you get that. Hot Alcoholic tasted overwhelmed. A lot of the other other aromas and flavors that make wines such a pleasure but to be a good host. If you're heading along evening or you know a sit down dinner cocktail party. Try to look for some wines that are either in the lower end or at least mid range you know the twelve thirteen percent which is now considered average. That'll help but also also make sure that people have their water glasses filled up constantly so that they're not having this lake there. I just unwind and alcohol. That's one thing we do here when we you know my husband and is they have a dinner party. It's really important because sometimes people don't even realize how much they're drinking 'cause you're topping. They have their glasses. They're talking So so that can be an issue. See want to slow things down that way you can college we take everybody's keys on the way. Get over the kids now. Your friends are older. You know the other thing that I think is appropriate. Is You can point out to your guest. Just as a matter of conversation discussing the wine that certain ones have a higher alcohol Paul content and other ones again people drink German wines. They're very coffee table and they're less dangerous. I find that it's interesting to help. Raise people's awareness of what it is. We're drinking from an alcohol perspective. I'll frequently have Belgian beers available at my house for events and parties and things like that and I just because they're they're one of the things in the world that I really adore work and people need to be careful if you're drinking American beers at three or four percent and all of a sudden you're drinking these Belgian Beers at eight nine ten eleven twelve percent. That's a whole different different level of alcohol and potential danger. That comes with that and I think at the during the holidays people tend to imbibe more festive Philibert story a and so on. So it's also a great idea. I think to encourage people to take a taxi cab to your house which one I'm very grateful. There's a brand new hotel across the street from my restaurants that's convenient. It is indeed. Here's another here's another wine. Pairing up pitfall one of the things that that's difficult as we often People often ask to home. How do I Darwin restaurants people run into this problem as well? How do I pair one with a salad? You know. I'm a determined hedonist. There's no dish that can't go with wine. I think uh-huh vegetables and Salads present unique challenges. Because they don't have the proteins that need does and protein dance with Tannin's in red wine they just bind together in in and go happily off across the dance floor but with Salads and veggies you are often talking about strong herbal flavors. So I look for a wine that I call them. Green Lines Green Line and green food go together by a Green Line. I mean those that are crisp. have lots of the city herbal flavors. New Zealand's still vignon blows like salad and a glass. I think an Austrian gruner vet liner another good choice. Even a German riesling has often the flavors and the lovely city. That will go well with that. I think that people often neglect white wines. I think people get into wines and they start with sweet wines and then go to white wines and then we'll go to red wines and each time saying oh well I don't really drink anymore now series about red wines. The variety of white wine some of them you mentioned the Austrian Leaner Austrian German reasonings. Some of these wines are really endlessly interesting and and you know I was. A German riesling especially operates like a Shakespearean play. You don't know anything About wine at all. You're like wow. That's sweet beverage delicious but you can find. German riesling set at the same time. If you're serious wine Geek you can be like holy cow look at that. Yeah right yeah they have such versatility. They're one of the lines that I recommend for many dishes and in fact on my website I have like a little wine and food. Matcher an interactive give to awaken. Just plug in the dish or plug in the line will spit out. What not literally? But he'll tell you which winds are foods go with it. I've tried to simplify that that but you know for a lot of dishes. I kept putting in German riesling German. Recently I mean just like she I think I'm in a Rut here but it does go so well with so many dishes. It wasn't doesn't Nellie we need to leave it there. Thanks for your advice for the holidays. How well Natalie? Thanks so much for being with us and giving us advice for wine in the holidays we have the. US Happy Holidays then. We'll see again soon. Well there you have it. I hope you enjoyed this. Chat with mark. Pascal and Francis Shot. I recommend that you check out their restaurants in New Jersey. They're worth the drive. You'll find links to their website restaurants and social media handles in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash fifty six. If you liked this episode please tell a friend end about it. Especially when WHO's interested in the restaurant wine tips I shared. 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E28-State of Paranormal

Military Paranormal Investigations Podcast

40:08 min | 5 months ago

E28-State of Paranormal

"And we still have Hurston now but we don't have the whole schools. We have never never had anything dark or negative about that Don't get me wrong. I like some of those styles. It's just not what I feel any do associated with a pair of long lasting You're listening to NPR. Paranormal podcast. Where the truth is to be found a podcast exploring all things paranormal ponting's. We reviewed the on our members believe in the skeptical of France bought with an open. Mind just trying to make sense at all. I want to get back in there. Trying to figure out the ANNOUN. I don't really have a say on it right now because I don't know what the video looks like where I'm looking for the evidence. What's the evidence? A story to me is not really evidence. Because that's one person's experience and I do my personal beliefs into but like you said that I have might skeptical approve it another way. Military Paranormal investigations is not affiliated to any branch of the military time coming to you from North Texas on multiple platforms for maximum rage. Here are your hosts members of the FBI teen and welcome to Military Purnomo Investigations. Podcast my name is Ron. And I'm and We had function earlier. This is our second year the second go round. I mean we. We did pretty good with the first one. The first one was really good But I GUESS WE'LL START. Rajastan built forget you can always find us not paranormal dot com. You can find us on pod being on facebook and INSTAGRAM AT MILITARY. Paranormal one word and twitter at twitter. Now we really taken off on twitter. it'd be MPI under sore. Paranormal. You can find this there in our new one that we're really trying to push hard. As Youtube and we got word ninety subscribers we had a big S. right end up. We've we're trying to get some stuff rolling with that. So if you can go likened subscribers there that would be awesome would have been nice if we could have Jeff Nelson here tonight. Yes of we're kind of throwing this together at the last minute to get some content out to you guys and as a test. Exactly Desert Portable podcast. It took us a while to get going but I think it's a pretty good right now amount mistaken. I am one of the things I wanted to ask you. Guys is so this is our portable for portable interviews and stuff so we thought we would try this and get some feedback from you guys if it sounds okay. If it's a reasonable amount of quality there or a portable setup because again we are not in the studio right now. We're just kinda working on some business. Thought we would throw this together and we had a couple of things we wanted to talk about. So we're GONNA try it that really WanNa talk about where we're going to answer that. I know that if we do it's it's there. There's so much Amelia Story Board after story board about what we WANNA do. I really don't WanNa give too much away without Alison Jeff. You're being a part of. It wished they got a lot of stuff in the works to but we do have a lot coming up for you guys and doctors i. We would like you to follow along like subscribe. Follow us in kind of where we're going to take that the Sola. I guess when I wanted to talk about really league is A. You had a comment that was made to me About how we were going out. Bigfoot wise a wise a pair of almo group will confer bigfoot. But that's kind of what I wanted to talk about. Today is kind of the state of paranormal investigator Just a quick little deal on that You know you talking about like when we go out like we went out and did big foot hunt right right in the military. Paranormal typically known for ghosts. Joost in that kind of thing but I think it's kind of a stigma when you're paranormal. Everybody automatically assumes ghosts. Yeah we'll get a look at a paranormal means anything that's not normal and bigfoot would fall under that anything crypto would follow under that Loo Choo Kavre ME I. I don't really believe that that could exist. But I've seen things out there that I'm like what the heck was added. Didn't look like a dog while they need to combat subject the US version of Super Cobra is totally different than where the to cover executive so That's a whole other topic. A whole `nother show exit. But you know what I want to talk about his so. There's studies that show that three out of four people believe in some sort of paranormal belief. Came from a Gallup poll. That was done in that. Forty seven percent believe in ghosts or demons in eighteen percent of people believed that they had seen a ghost at some point in time will. I would tend to agree with those numbers I mean. Look at all the different paranormal groups. We have out there right now and it's all the TV show and all of that sort of stuff so with those kinds of numbers though wanted us think that the paranormal subject is still so taboo. Whenever you talk about it you know if you say a ghost hunt people. You're GonNa do what what will yeah like. I was talking earlier about my son when we were telling them. We were going to go down to the lake and look for bigfoot and everything he's like dead there's no such debt and. I'm like we found footprints lane Mike found footprints put a cast on their thing. There is no when when you sent me those photos and I looked okay but even going further than that you. Jeff went to the bigfoot conferences. I didn't go because I'm like. Yeah okay not into that really. But then I went down there with you guys and I started listening to the stories in the encounters that they had and then I listened to Bob and I was like really I actually went and looked at the the Patterson video and I was like a toward a sucker part in people. Still think that thanks fake. But I haven't been able to find anything on that and I've seen other experts that tear apart. That video in they came up with the same glues. Nine did there. There's no way that a man could have done that and it's I guess when it comes to the paranormal. It's all about belief. Yeah what do you believe the same thing with the ghost? Believe in ghosts. 'cause it's more when you're dealing with ghosts in everything. I guess is war with spiritual or religious thing yeah ms what. I think the paranormal somewhere. Faith exactly parable thing. I think it's more of a fake thing is the curiosity you you find it and then will is the search for the fine. I guess you WanNa go out there and you WANNA look forward in back to go back to where you think Talked about taboo. My own personal belief is people. Think you're crazy. They're really. Why would you want to go visit in half of the people in the? Us believe in some sort of parole. I WANT EVERYBODY. You run into Crazy yeah it's society. I guess that would be the only thing it does kind of where my second question was. Why do you think it's so if people believe that? What is such a big deal with trying to share that information if it's taboo? Obviously but what is the actual problem? I mean if you you and I when we we all of our group we all headed experience so in we got each other in the Maoist kind of normal for us but when you talk to the average person it is yeah. I guess when you talk to that person. They're they're the ones this like. Okay I don't I don't get it. Why would a grown man go out in the middle of the woods and look for ghost or big foot or they think we're crazy they really do you go back to? It's all how it's perceived is society. I mean you look at the early fifties sixties okay. You had colleges professors trying to find life after death there. Were trying to find out if there was anything on the other side and then nowadays. There's only maybe a handful. There's not as many that you hear about it so I think that has a lot to do with it. You mean in. We were talking earlier about that. You know that was the last of the spiritual enlightenment of late. Eighteen hundred no or yes played. Eighteen hundreds in the fifties. The youngsters that were then were are now older. So they're up there still that faith rally thin that sort of stuff but I I I find it difficult you know in the ufo arena in the last two or three years. Things have really progressed. And people are a whole lot more open right with that. But I think best because the media got involving sorted sharing that kind of stuff look at some of the declassifications came out of the navy showing the UFO's that they tracked if it's almost like people have been gift that they had to say. It's almost like okay. We'll if if the higher ups if the government is coming out with this than does that make it? Okay yes in no is. I know that there's still stuff out there. The government doesn't tell us you're not going to tell us I mean. Look at Project Blue Book. They didn't put that out there until what the eighties. And then you have all these other programs if you would that are out there. Although eight tips that the recently come out exactly in all of that sort of stuff I you know down. I'll just audit in when we go to investigate in we get an interview with somebody and you first time you ask him like you ever anything go on and then you kinda get into detail your stories and you know it. Was this one time exactly in any way I just. I don't know how we can fight that to get. It would have to be a main go back look at all the different paranormal groups. That are out there right now. There is no scientific way to prove something exists or doesn't exist right as far as when it comes to the paranormal Rome. There has to be some database if he would to where we could collectively put into to where the rest of the roofs or organizations can pull that information now when they are investigating to try and come up with some scientific way to prove or disprove big of ghost or big foot or Ufo's or the Mothman. They're silly things out there. That are dean are normal. That people don't think they're paranormal pride. And I think that has a lot to do with. I think he had this education education. Yeah in that kind of goes into my my last they use. What would you think did us as parallel investigations? What our biggest town is what we need to do. What are challenges? What do we need to do to try to change the state of paranormal? That working I would say probably you know we know we were talking earlier about how you know when it started out Bef Aro two foot search new research organisation they they were like the place to track bigfoot sightings right now there's just so much infighting in the big crowds this ridiculous in you have this person keeping the to keeping that secret in in in they get mad at each other because nobody believes there may be a more of a supernatural twist to bigfoot and all this infighting things there's no repository nailing to next year. So there's the new in in granted I don't personally that that's the case however there are a lot of big facilities that have some sort of strange true true Sky Phenomena that goes on to the second time but that's a different story but I guess the the UFO arena. You've got Which I think a pretty good job of I think they also job of tracking tracking and logging data than in maintaining that so there there's a consistency so that I can tell you that you know if you have They can tell sometimes if things are validated lease off of on multiple witnesses in multiple events. That happen that we report the same thing that we see. The same thing occurred but we don't know each other. We're in different parts of the country but we have a same thing so that's validated response to that whereas ghost hunting in particular. There's a couple of organizations that is a good time job job of tracking data but there's no sharing their snow with if we're as an investigator if we wanted to log in what we got it. We track our bread if if we go and we wanted to blog that in somewhere so that somebody could compare say. Vp'S WE GOTTA MEET EP. And we know that it's GonNa It happened at this time at this temperature. This humidity at this son Murad Cycle all of these sorts of things that happen. But there's nowhere to really come as far as a major organization that does in because of bad. There's a lack of consistency. I think I agree with the with trying to get the data because we were talking about this earlier when we we've all had an experience. I've had some weird experiences so when I sit back and listen to somebody story on the surface sometimes I think what the heck but then I'm like well I can't discount that because I have some weird crap that's happened to me true but On that note when I'm I go through on the Internet and I'm going through some sites and I go to this web page or the banking in a lot of it has to do with there. There is a I guess. A misbelief that everything around the paranormal has been dark amid you. Go to allow these websites in. There's nothing but dark black at agent. Yeah give him worse. Black t-shirt everybody's in I don't know maybe that's kind of the more people that are maybe their lifestyle SOM- but a lot of people that makes argued groups and that's like we gotta get our Black T. Shirts I friggin thing. He's like me did have a black T. shirt yell okay. When when we first started yet we have like t shirts but we hello black. Polos in on the Black T. shirts we actually and we still have liked Hurston now but we don't have the host goals in that note. We have never never had anything dark or negative about that. It's always been bright or a curiosity. I know a lot of our things have been lightning militaristic and don't get me wrong. I like some of those styles is just not what I feel any do associated with a payroll investigation. Why does it always have to be Dr Dr Mystical win? You're listening. You have a website. This like that we. I am no way bragging or coming down on knocking. Ill exactly it's it's but there is a bad thing that's part that goes back to why people sometimes don't want to tell their stories. Don't want 'cause you average you can an old country boy deal. That's out in the woods. Hunting has been raised whole life with all these moral family values. And that's what he has to report in it. Don't make sense the Kinda where I was going there like what that has nothing to do with what I you know what I mean. Are you get somebody that thinks they saw goes in? There may be super religious. They've seen this will best. The last thing they WANNA do is go to the per person the group that's got skull-and-crossbone on everything. Alarming that puts the fear or or the Again it's just a big misconception. Yeah it's it's all about Education Yeah there has to be some way to get the education out there and granted A good form for that is networking. Some paranormal conferences would be good. Like I know the one that we held. We tried to get a good fundamental background of different topics paranormal but there was some groups that did the whole antennas on the head foil on the head. And I'm like a woman that's that's if you go to the bigger ufo unlimited they. When you get there they have speakers that are giving you data giving you. I mean scientific studies or government. Somebody's foia papers and they've got this stuff do this but if you go to a any Conscious that are like that but most of those are meant to entertain the public of the death in the TV era. But if you go to apparent Homo Conference Ninety nine times out of a hundred is going to be a COMECON. Paranormal conference together. People are going to be dressed in a line star. Were scared you know in the end saying just star wars characters bed because right. I plan on doing that when I go to Disneyworld. This is the problem that I see. If if it's the conference is there again. I'm not knocking any of this because I believe in most of these areas but if I go to a conference. It's it's not geared towards educate. Educate exactly you go in there. There's a rocky guy in the morning. That's doing ricky healing okay. That's fine but then you've got a medium a medium this doing readings over in this corner. And that's that's usually a lot of which That type of stuff a in. That's perfectly fine a there's no. There's nothing wrong with that. But what are you getting the public? When they see these things they go and they WANNA learn about while they saw ghost in their bedroom. Right in there's no does you -cation they're exactly. There's no what are we doing to find out what that is. Where are we going with any new in there? Some groups in there some conferences. That are but it's just to me. It's far few between. Yes and that's the problem but as the then there's no repository for us to put exact yet. There's there's nothing I mean the the closest thing for nestle winter a database or repository but the closest thing I see for a connection a US wise would be The paranormal list on his website he literally lists by state groups. You can contact. You can make a request to him personally and he puts a request out there to all his followers on twitter. Hey I need investigators to go check this out. It seems to me that the one way door exactly because he's getting it out there for people to investigate but what happened. Was that data when it comes back. Exactly who who who gets? It doesn't go anywhere. It goes to the Individual Group did actually picked up at case wants to try to help the individual that requested the help in the first place but it doesn't I mean that's really doesn't go anywhere beyond that in I agree with you. I believe that's the problem out there. We need to have some way of gathering the different data in keeping a database of it. But that's a big undertaking. It really is. You need basically full company to do that. I mean you gotTa have a lot. You'd have to have a lot of money in servers and everything else to do that and I think the good place to start would probably be some these television shows. That are doing it. I mean you got all these different paranormal groups from the different networks. And they're all doing something a little bit different. So why can't they take that in? Put it somewhere else to wear other paranormal roofs. You get information from I. I still have a problem sometimes with TV though when in we've discussed that there's the whole in Washington in the beginning but there's the one show and everything's a demon the crap out of me because you and I both after dozens hundreds of aces. It's far and few between that. We've ever anything like that. Weiss at twice out of the twelve years we've been doing this has attached itself. There were that we had to go will be on our understanding. We got this game. Somebody provisional exactly. It's got a hybrid than us yet. We are not capable of handling. This definitely ask go higher. No I in some of the other shows. They literally find something every episode. I can't count. Tell me times we found nothing my house. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that multiple people have seen full. Miss form in front of us in disembodied voices on all this week done this house three times. Nothing will ask like the lab -solutely nothing. The last time I was here we stayed up till three o'clock at that was in broad daylight broad daylight. I'm here talking to you. I see you go into the kitchen in the neck. See you go to the frigerator. I I see that in you. Don't answer me back. I'm like okay. I guess you're stuffing your face or something and then all of a sudden you come around the other corner and I'm like what side this whole time looking back do you were in the kitchen. You know and I I know I saw. It might not be new but I saw a figure right a your size figure in the kitchen in yet but we investigate and we get Zilch exactly. Nada dislike some of the cases. We get the last one the last one okay. Up-and-down claims those activity. Now we go up there. We have things happen but when we review the footage there's nothing there to substantiate the claims that they that they had or would you for example. We may have heard are we may have seen this or this but upon reviewing all the other stuff we were able to develop a exactly scared here. We're able to find something else in agreement with you that there has to be some database some way to validate this information somewhere that we can put this information that everyone can get to. I think my my biggest thing about this is the whole paranormal now. We have to get rid of the stereotypes We are of a Berber. Come out with our bike. T shirts in our all of our gadgets in this that and the other there's a whole lot more to it than to the actual research investigation is. There's a whole lot more to it and I think that you can't just go to your came to watch the thing flashing. Ooh Yeah I mean. What are you getting per exactly? You're you're getting flashes on on a electric meter the so that that's where I think we we have to. It's almost a battle to if you want to change. We talked about before the public opinion. It'll go up Mario now based off of going on exactly in it just media television. If you WANNA break that and get over that Hump you have to make it less Taboo Brian. That starts to me with professionalism. It starts with a C. with full-fledged explaining in education in right in that sort of that there are things we cannot explain correct in you go to in your document that in hopes that one day all this is. GonNa fall into place and you're going to be able to figure it out right because right now if you wanNA investigation in something happens which you have is an experience In something maybe that cool yeah in. It may be a personal high if you will for what's going on but when you walk away from and in the end that's all you have the exactly. You have a personal experience Always say you can't take that as Jehovah's it's great personal experience I've had personal experience obscene things that I can't explain the uniting things that I can't explain there's groups that and I'm not knocking this at all. They do cleansings Up in I guess my thing is. How do you really know it work? You would have to see that. I don't I'm not I'M NOT GONNA win here but not you know and then also there's so many groups out there that do this and I don't think they have a clue what they're doing right and there's some that do the there is some legitimacy to yes I think that if there are supernatural things and occurrences that happened. There is a place for the hat. Yes but how do you know that it's working? You can't validate that. No not at all. I mean you can have a psychic that tells you we as they've passed on and that's okay but you cannot validate that that'll psychic argue with you because what you have is their experience their feelings. Yep but there's no validation enough none whatsoever you can't quantitatively measure spirit and then measure that it's not lightly they're our exactly and that's what I think happened. I think sometimes it gets too weird for the average person. You know somebody that's had experience. Maybe but then you've got the other part of that. People are like me and I know a lot of skeptics. That have had weird stuff happening there. Just like it's weird. You GotTa Talk Weird So I think a Lotta than has to do with what you're talking about earlier is why are people afraid or wise Boom why are people not willing to speak up? When they had that experience in a lot of it has to do with perception here I think it I think it gets too weird sometimes and there are some good. You can acknowledge that you can tell them. Hey on no it's weird and here's what we're GONNA do. We're going to try to collect that evidence right. But that's that's where we're going you know. I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you that its aunt sally in the corner. That's bothering your kid. I can't do that no I mean I could you that all day long but that don't make it true so so that's where I'm going with that is is just kind of I see the state of the paranormal field. Right now. Almost is a problem. Not that it's this early a bad thing but the counting is that we have to figure out how we're going to word it's GonNa go bright. Yeah because right now this has been. We talked about it though they for we've been doing this for twelve years and what has changed nothing now. The UFO field. There's been a lot of change that but again. They approach things that you get some weirdoes. They're I ain't GONNA lie. I'd yeah but your true researchers. They're they're doing the same thing that we're talking about. They're looking at evidence. They're looking claims they're looking at the scientific data. They can't collect right. You've got the government coming out with some stuff into me there on the right track of Roland right but as far as the other genres in paranormal. I think we have a lot of work to do to progress any further than where we've been for the last two years and one of the big ones I would say add would be decrypted field. I mean I haven't been majorly involved in the CRYPTO field but there's a lot of good researchers yes but being on that same token for everybody. That's out there doing good work in doing good research and trying to validate VESTA. Then you've got some people that are raking it weird for people and the ones that are trying to fake the evidence and that S. What headaches that? That's what hurts. The paranormal field was quite a few of that amount. As with in the same thing with ghost you can get an APP on your phone with many submitted us in its does it's easy. To debunk. Yes I mean because we can. We have software exactly our experience Camille. That ain't real. That's like every member of the one that was sent to. Us longtime ago meeting with the deer feeding little girl in and I'm like look from the apple APP Leila's heritage. Okay get one or the one where you Kim. The shadow figure in the woods and you can clearly see that on the bottom of defeat. It's flat you can tell that someone took out. They knew what they were doing photoshop. That's exactly what that was and we were able to do the exact same thing we we took a picture. I believe Jeff and I grate him out to be a dark mass. There's so much you can do with these programs in. That's what hurts as well really in. There's no trust because I had this with a family member recently. We have some ADP's That I think you're legitimate. I can't tell you for certain. In scientific certainty what they really are however they were responsive to our questions. Were good class a piece but what it comes down to. Is You know. Show that the my family member and they're still a little in disbelief. But if I showed that to joe in the corner He don't have to believe me because there's so much other. Tom foolery going around out there. That work he doesn't have to trust right and that's where I see. Sometimes the the stereotypes in the the need for attention from it Some of the TV shows that kind of stuff. I think there's a distrust in the real investigator sometimes couldn't agree more. Maybe that's a little harsh but now I see it that way. No it's not like sometimes I even. I mean not Dog Other podcasters. But there's been shows that I go wanting to get information on different paranormal topics and we're not talking about it just gets in the title. It's in the exact content dollars like okay. Why did I spend thirty miniature trying in waiting for this information so I can do some research? I think it's gotten us a lot. Of flack over the years when we call Oh if we say hey you know what Mary nothing going on here gets us a lot of flack. But we've had several instances where that's been validated. Where when we had one case where we told him it was a fear cage that their loved one was in and that it was effecting their mental health their physical known and they didn't want to believe it and they had another group that killed me on. That told me it was an sally and they were going to get all these people involved and then what was it. Eight nine months later they called us up and said hey we finally booted them out and we got a contractor here. We fixed and guess what they're finding not sick every day. They're not going to the hospital equipment. You know all the busy logical rag going away as well anyways. Well I think we probably need to wrap up. Get get go but again. I hope that you hope you enjoyed this again. Our purpose behind this was primarily to test these this portable equipment. I definitely let us know how we're sounding We will be editing in post. Which will we would do. 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57: BYOB Wines to Restaurants

Unreserved Wine Talk

27:41 min | 7 months ago

57: BYOB Wines to Restaurants

"What does B. Y. O. B.? Bring Your own bottle to a restaurant really mean. What special laws and etiquette do you need to know about it? Which provinces and states allow it how does byod benefit you as a wine lover aside from reducing your restaurant? Bill and how should you calculate the tip when you bring your own wine. That's exactly what you'll learn on today's episode of the unreserved Wind Wind Talk Podcast. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's that's the blend here on the unreserved wine. Talk podcast I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share here with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book doc on this subject. I'm so glad you're here. Now Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode fifty seven. Well Happy New Year. Did you ring in twenty twenty with some great lines last night and so should I be whispering this podcast. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and of course it's not over yet miles and I went to Montreal for a couple of days as as we always do between Christmas new years. We love walking around old Montreal. And of course dining in the city's fabulous restaurants bragging boots news here to share with you apple podcasts formerly I tunes featured this podcast as one of the best listens in two thousand nineteen. Thank you for making it so by subscribing and reviewing this podcast you keep me running on my little hamster wheel over here. Now if you haven't yet joined my free online class the five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and and how to fix them forever. Then just go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and pick a time day. That worked for you all right. Let's let's dive into our topic today so I'm going to dive into our first topic of love bringing your own bottle of wine to a restaurant. There's emotions tied up in B. Y. O. B. or B. Y. O. W.. Bring your own wine. I spent my my. Shall we say early drinking years Nova Scotia so I've been trained to be very polite and select wine from a restaurant list. I used to think of it this way. I know more. Bring my own booze to a restaurant than I would my own cutlery or linen however when be way. Ob was finally legalized in Ontario. -Tario I decided to visit restaurants that allowed this practice. There are dedicated restaurants in Quebec that allow it BC l.. Berta do and and I know New York New Jersey California do but it's a patchwork of provinces and states. I think B. Y. O. B. is Nirvana for for people. Like me who love great wine and food but to can't cook worth a damn so I have lots of really good board Joe that I've been aging aging for a while and they would languish besides soggy spaghetti or frozen pizza here at home. That's of course when miles is not cooking what I'm fending for myself. I self miles. My partner is a great cook so not to disparage his efforts at all. Also with B. Y. O. B.. I really enjoy sipping on my wine while well perusing the menu instead of having to wait twenty minutes for it to arrive or to even have to analyze the wine list in the first place. The thing I always do I I always offer my server sommelier a glass of my wine and often they'll take it back to the kitchen and share it for me personally. Sharing wine with the staff feels so much more wonderfully generous than just leaving a tip. Besides you sort of get the benefit of everybody being happy midway through the meal rather than just at the end where you leave the tip and leave right you get the actual benefit of your generosity. Midway through the meal be my. Ob is very common practice. In Australia. Australia New Zealand and Europe it's an entrenched part of dining culture. And I think the reason is that those countries often grew up with a wine culture whereas in North America Canada and the US we in some respects are still living. In the shadow of prohibition and thus we have this legislative latest patchwork that reflects all the different liquor laws by state and province but also a reticence to liberalize some of these ancient and laws about alcohol so I think the benefits to wine lovers are really obvious. We can add a personal touch to our meals particularly early when we want to bring a rare or mature bottle from our own sellers. Let's face it. Most restaurants can't afford to keep inventory for five to ten years to age of fine wine and to win it. Best suits food. We as diners can complement our food choices by bringing several half bottles which are relative rarity. Almost I wine lists and then these can go with different courses or for those times when you want fish in your dining partner want steak. Also I find I'M GONNA generalize here but in Asian Thai and Indian restaurants which are outstanding cuisine. They're often not known for outstanding wine. Lists again because I think that those cultures didn't develop around a winemaking culture so I think that when wine lovers can bring wine specifically quickly to suit those spicy and exotic flavors think off dry riesling or your Toronto's. I think it's again a big win all round I think. Byu Obey gives donors choice in restaurants that specialize in one particular region or style. So you may love French cuisine and agree that the restaurant's French wines complement their cuisine. But what if you're a die hard fan of Australian Shiraz so that's another situation where Byu Ob works works really well and then what about pizza joints and roadside diners. Just because you're eating casual fare doesn't mean the wine has to be plunk and and diners with special dietary or religious needs might prefer to drink their own trusted organic or kosher or Vegan wines but I think we have to face the issue the main draw for bring your owners is economic. Not Gus Dettori at least at first diners diner. See it as a way to avoid over priced restaurant wines. There'd be little support for this initiative. If they felt that markups were more reasonable. Some some restaurants do add as much as two hundred to three hundred percent markup on wines Robert Parker the powerful now retired. US critic wants DESCRI- prices restaurant wind prices as quote the legitimized mugging of consumers and quote. This is especially true for higher. Priced wines it. Even today's savvy diners. A lot of us may lack an understanding when we see a bottle on a list that we haven't tried before. How how much is it because restaurants will try to offer you wind? You can't buy the liquor store that's a plus. It's a new taste experience but as a result we we really not savvy about the markup but we're very aware of the price of chicken you know and how much that chicken dish is marked up. The fact is though that alcohol hall is usually about a third of the restaurant's revenue and it represents much more in profit sometimes as much as half the adage in the industry is customers will eat you poor and drink you rich so we have to keep in mind that restaurants through the alcohol. Prices Are covering their costs. Their food costs their service. Costs their overhead costs. I think the most common markup in Toronto is three times El Sabio cost although the percentage markup on pricey wines is usually lower than for less pricey wines. The final price is still substantial for example if a bottle of wine sells for one hundred dollars in the store it might be priced at one hundred fifty on the list a fifty percent markup but but it's still translates to an extra fifty dollars on the bill but at the low end where the markup percentages are greatest. Wine lovers have good reason. I think to be wary. Very a wind. The cost twenty dollars on a list is probably sold for somewhere between seven and ten dollars retail. which can be a hit and miss category? For quality quality profit margins on food and restaurants generally have always been very thin. It's the main reason why eighty percent of restaurants restaurants are new restaurants. Go Out of business in their first year so I think we have to cut them some slack from that perspective most restaurants make back on booze what they lose on food so an average of one hundred percent markup is considered reasonable. This is why B. Y. O.. B. Won't work unless restaurants can either increase their food prices or charge accorded feet or both cork. Edge is win the restaurant pulls the Cork for you. The fee is added to your bill to pay for for the establishments. Glassware decanters cleaning bottle disposal. Lost Prophets in service. Because you're not buying their wine including being topping up wages for staff for loss tips on a meal with no wine sold but to be fair you should base tipped on what the bill would have been. Had the bottle been from from the restaurant since it's just as much work for your server to pour your wine as there's in fact I like an to if you get your bill at the end and you don't tip based on what the total bill would be. It's like buying a car with no gas money. It's just cheap so calculate your tip Based on if that bottle you had brought with you had been on the restaurant list. How much would it cost? And therefore how much should you tip be Korkut. Fees can vary widely from ten bucks to as high as one hundred dollars or more at fancy restaurants in New York City like the restaurants at Church. The highest fees are often those who have made significant investments in their cellars. And they really don't want to encourage B. Y. O. B. core catches which is often calculated as a flat fee per table or a charge per bottle or person since there's more effort in opening pouring five bottles for a table of ten ten people than there is for one bottle for table a to some base fee on the cheapest bottle on their own list or twice the cost of wine by the glass from their own list and some will waive the fee. If you order a bottle from their list as well as drinking your own which I always find is a good practice so so even if you are going to have your own bottle we like to start off with buying a glass of wine from the restaurant list. I just think it's a nice city to warm things up and put smiles back on the faces of the servers. Or you know. Have your bottle in maybe order dessert. Wine or spirit spirit or something to finish off the meal from the restaurant list now. Here's a cautionary tale from Napa Valley. The famous French laundry restaurant they started charging a thirty dollar mortgage fee but they failed to cover their costs. Diners would bring in winds of course from the local wineries or even cheap bottles left at their hotel rooms as welcome gifts before the restaurant. Raise the corker. The fifty dollars lost a hundred thousand dollars in wine sales if you can imagine. Even if charging core cage doesn't make up the entire profit shortfall the resulting higher volume of business might especially in lean economic times so the practice might encourage people not to give up dining out completely and thereby keeping keeping I think what is a vital restaurant culture alive it would also make dining out more affordable for those on really tight budgets like college students. Seniors seniors on a fixed income young families obscure poets even well off. Diners might order more courses and pricier. You're on trays. When the wind doesn't loom so large on the bill I think people might dine out more often to if there was B. Y. O. B. especially on nights that are traditionally less profitable for restaurants like weekday evenings? Some restaurants encourage this by offering only say from Monday to Thursday. Ah Only on Sundays and Mondays. Otherwise on other nights especially high traffic nights diners must order winds from the house. List some restaurants in wine country don't charge corky fees if diners bring in wind bought locally. It's their way of encouraging the regional industry and in turn the winery send business their way advising visitors which restaurants to patronize with their bottles. I think that's really important for emerging wine regions like Ontario. Oh I'm not sure I should say emerging anymore for well how should we describe it. Not Mature not emerging but teenage young adult lion. Regan's it's Mojo wineries in these regions often. Don't have the volume to get their product into provincial liquor stores. They can't stop doc those massive chains instead they have to rely on direct sales and visitors and on the services of wine agents to sell their wines. In fact small small producers from around the world depend on wine importers in agents to sell directly to restaurants so any change that allows diners to bring wines means into restaurants would be helpful to them. Whatever the scenario I think flexibility is really critical restaurants? Have to be able to choose whether with it. They Offer Diners B. Y. O. B. and their own wine list or both rather than being forced by law to pick one or the other as in the case of Quebec right now they should be able to choose which nights which meals can be. Byu Ob and set their own kokage fees. Some new establishments adopt B. Y. O. B. Because the license required isn't as expensive or time consuming to secure as a full liquor license so they don't have to spend the cash upfront to establish tablet a wine cellar and it allows small restaurants to compete on food alone with well-funded restaurants that can afford a wine list some opponents to be raised concerns about customers drinking too much of their own wine but existing laws already give restaurateurs protection action in dealing with drunken patrons. It doesn't matter who's alcohol. They're drinking and I think logic tells us that situation is likely to work the other way. Diners are going to feel less obligated to drink a whole bottle of wine when they've only paid retail cost for it and that they should be permitted. Did it take home. What they don't drink record in the trunk of their car unless of course you're making the gracious gesture of leaving unconsumed wine for the staff staff? So rather than encouraging drunkenness allowing diners to bring their own wine to a restaurant makes dining out more part of our culture and I I think one benefit is that it will raise knowledge about wine and appreciation of it diners. Who Don't know much about why might be more motivated to learn more about wine online or from experts? who offer wine courses? Hello when they're not under pressure to choose quickly from a restaurant list they can take their time. Select the bottle that they wanNA bring and then of course. There's the awkwardness of two couples. Trying to decide on what they both like in can afford and trying to have this guessing game about price and budget and tastes. So I think bring your own. Wine is more about making wine more part of our dining culture. It's not about ripping off servers or driving restaurants out of business back in the nineteen seventies. If you recall I don't read this. I researched this. It was illegal legal to stand up and drink restaurants. Only a waiter could move your drink from one table to another and your food. Bill had to exceed your wind bill on Sundays so I think it's high time that we come. Into the Post prohibition era where we can bring wine to a restaurant speaking of lying getting super thirsty. So I'm drinking a Pinot Noir from rose whole run actually haven't had a SIP since we started because I've been talking nonstop so good actually I had some Byu ob etiquette to share with you. I think you'll find this useful beyond the tips. We've talked about so far. Let me just share. You're my quick tips so even when you know B. Y. O. B. is legal. Check that the restaurant allows for it. You know in Ontario they can decide which nights nights which meals and so on so always call ahead and when you make the reservation ask if you can bring a special bottle to celebrate your birthday even if it was months ago. And you've been celebrating it every week since even if you don't get a flat out no you may send some resistance on the phone or a cork fee that is really high really there signaling. That they don't want to do it and remember just because it's legal doesn't mean it's mandatory. The restaurants can decide what kind of service they WANNA offer. Sometimes a restaurant will have no problem if you bring one bottle to drink but they will look askance at two three or case still when we go to Hooah restaurant. It's been so long since I've done this but now I'm motivated to try this again but we'd always bring two bottles in case one was court or faulty. Because what are you gonNA do. Send it back you you brought it but we would keep the spare under the table in a nice bag please. No paper bags grocery bags. Find something chic go to your local accessory store. You also obviously don't want to take a wine that is really fragile. or the old and can't be jostled in the car. You want something that's fairly resilient and can stand up to being moved around. Don't take your best winds to restaurants restaurants that have poor glassware or it's going to be death by little Gulf ball glasses. Some people take their own stemware to they come with a full case. Several half bottles are always great idea so that you can pair by the course. Also if you're bringing wine make sure it's not one that the restaurant already the offers on its list exceptionally you've got a rare old vintage of the wine because it's like arriving Thanksgiving dinner with your own Turkey. Don't do it so if they already offer that wine on the list. Don't bring the same wine. Let's see what else avoid homemade wine unless you are an award winning amateur. Please do not skip the homemade. Wine often refers only to wine so spirits beer and fortified wines may be discouraged or even illegal so you WanNa make sure that you're bringing the right beverage wine. You might want to consider buying an insulated wine case especially for bringing Rosa bobbly or white. The has to stay chilled. Maybe has some compartments. Let's see what else can I advise you to find. Some restaurants more formal restaurants will want to store your wine out in the back. Just make sure there's no oh mix up. Of course it's a mix it up with their truce. Who cares even if you bring your own wine especially if it's a fancier restaurant I'd still let the server top up your glass rather than you just helping yourself go with what the typical service etiquette would be is if you bought the wine off the list also also final tip? We don't WANNA use restaurants as cheap places to drink where you know we only order a little bit of food or a bit of tapestry and then drinking in lots of our own wine so there you have it all right. Let me just give you a few quick tips on chain restaurants so I think most chain restaurants. Don't use their wine list to attract customers. It's more quick inexpensive consistent assistant food with big name beer usually on tap and a casual ambience but I was writing and researching an article about chain restaurant wine lists and so my quest for wine in the land of Greece led me to visit forty three restaurants and then my doctor for cholesterol check but my question was do diners really want Patriots with their pizza probably. Not How many teams can you say one sentence last year. A research group said that two thirds of Canadians eat or eight in casual franchises. At least once every two months spending more than seven seven point five billion dollars but with all those meals only seven percent of US ordered wine. So why is that when a good glass of wine can make fried chicken taste even better not to mention slow service seem faster and country music actually sound good. I'm kidding about that last one. I think there's some fabulous fabulous country music so I think there's a number of reasons but servicemen selection released. Stand out both from a cultural clash the worlds of good wine and fast foods so slow versus fast I think unique versus consistent and small versus large. I think the biggest beef against wine lists is selection or rather lack thereof when it comes to chain so usually there's the house red in the house white and many lists. I've found are filled with wines better for cooking then again what winds pair well with MSG ketchup or those. This mysterious dipping sauces coming off as a total snob here so when I was researching this article my waitress Jenny. She bounced over to the table and she announced there were two winds a red and a white and then she added that the Chardonnay was to keep the ladies happy. But I do think that several chains anes do offer good list so I mentioned the keg earls restaurants in western Canada they. I think they actually have franchises here in Ontario. Now offer thirty thirty wines All are offered by the glass none marked up by more than a modest fee. They also have neck tags that have tasting notes that the Patriots can take home. Olive Garden's sells five million bottles of wine a year. When guests arrived on Friday or Saturday thirty evenings they're offered a complimentary glass penal gratiot or Chianti while they wait for their table? Just as the owner of a tra- Toria in the old country might give regulars a sip breath on wine on the House since this initiative was launched. Two years ago more than eighteen million guests have sampled wine while they wait. Training Young Staff online service can always be a challenge but at Canyon Creek within six months of joining. This is a Toronto Chop House. Stay Cows coast servers are required to write a test set by the Wine Council of Ontario. And if they passed they get an expense paid visit to several Niagara wineries hiring. That's brilliant. Let me also note a few other things as chain restaurants face. Increased competition. Many are differentiating their dining experience with branded products like starbucks coffee Tobe marrone chocolate bars or decent wines. They're also working with professional professional chefs in their test. Kitchens to develop signature dishes so this kind of goes hand in glove with that. But I still think it'll take a cultural shift for us to associate a good wine with chain restaurants. In the meantime I think we should reward chain or casual restaurants that do offer good wines weather whether we're wearing bow ties. Her bluejeans got any favorite restaurants that have phenomenal restaurant. Wine lists heading over to you. My private facebook group for my core students and I am finally going to launch my free new Webinar. The five wine and food pairing mistakes stakes. That can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever but right now I am going over to as I said my private group doing tasting of holiday wines which Weinstein give as gifts thank you and bye for now take care. Well there. You have it. You'll find links to my latest wine. Reviews the video version of this discussion and link so that you can sign up for my free wine class in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash fifty seven. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it. Especially one who's interested interested in learning about the etiquette of B. Y. O. B.. 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54: What's Minerality in Wine? Plus California Wildfires

Unreserved Wine Talk

33:02 min | 8 months ago

54: What's Minerality in Wine? Plus California Wildfires

"What is mineralogy when it comes to wine? Is it a taste a feeling or some bogus concept meant to keep wine mysterious us. What's the latest with the devastating wildfires in sonoma's wine country? And how will that impact the winds we drink. Why are winemakers wary of cannabis producers? It's not what you might think. And what is a new wine group doing to help with a balanced life. That's exactly what would be learning on today's episode of the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive awesome people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. You've wine talk. PODCAST I'm your host Natalie Maclean. Each week I share with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here. Now Pass me that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode fifty four miles miles and I are working our way through the entire series of the television show justified. It's about a US Marshal in Kentucky and all the odd Ne'er do well characters. He has to chase down in a good natured. Way We're on season six and it is so good someone helped me. It's it is addictive as those chocolate covered almonds. Did you ever get caught up in a show. You just wanted to binge watch all weekend. Well that's what one of if my new students told me a couple of days ago about the wind smart course and that. Oh my gosh made my week. I just relaunched this new course and I poured everything into it. Yes the puns intended. It's a full bodied framework to help you taste pair and buy wine like a pro. Oh now in the main audio of this podcast I say that I will be relaunching. It and that's because this is from a facebook live video although I did a few weeks ago but it's here now but wait. There's more you can find out more about this new in-depth course during my new free online class. The five wine and food pairing mistakes. That can ruin your dinner. How to fix them forever the go-to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class to pick your class time and then you and I are going to taste some wind together her? Yea Tis the season right. It's a great time to take some time for yourself during the holidays and relax with a glass of wine or three and me now on another note about the main audio I talk about the cinema wildfires as still not under containment but fortunately thank goodness they now are however the impact of wine country was substantial. So we're going to talk about that. What it means for the winds will be buying in tasting aced in the future also include links to the articles? I mentioned by latest wine reviews and the video version of this discussion. Plus the link so so that you can sign up for my free wine class about those five absolutely devastating pairing mistakes in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash fifty four all right. Let's dive into our topic today. We're going to start is. What's the latest on Misnoma wildfires? And when you take a sip on my my Bordeaux we were. Testing bore does in my private facebook group. Tonight for students only found some really great bargain price board. Oh Oh I know that seems like an oxymoron but it is possible the one I like best is sixteen dollars and my core students know which one it is teams not so in the next week or so. I'm going to relaunch my core solution. Join it but to do that. I'm going to have a free whine class. Ask You can listen in on whether you buy the course or not and thanks to your feedback on calling it. The five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. So that's the title of the Free Class. And at the end of that after I teach you and give you lots of good juicy tips and and feedback and tell you about the course. Which is the wind smart? `course a full bodied framework to taste pair and buy wine like a pro. Oh you're GONNA love it. I know you are all right guys. Let's talk about those wildfires. It just seemed so devastating especially the kinkaid fire. That has broken out this week. You know it was two thousand seventeen and we're talking about these winds the red wiser now hitting the shelves of the two thousand seventeen vintage and here we are again so let me give you the details that I have researched and gathered. The damage Snowman Napa from the KINCAID. Fire is roughly roughly so far seventy four thousand acres since it started a week ago last Wednesday but this is mostly in wooded areas and mountains. It's not so much in the grapevines and wineries. Now that's not to say the wineries have been given a pass. They haven't but the majority of the fires from what I'm reading have occurred in secluded areas thirty percent containment as of Wednesday October thirtieth and it could take weeks to extinguish as just really darn scary. But here's some interesting things and I'm reading from a CBS television report website. Grapes don't burn. Obviously you know. I don't know if you watch that. One with Keanu Reeves that movie horse it called a walk walk in something and they throw a fire to the vineyards and the leaves are green. The grapes are Green Gene. All this vegetation is greed. It's not going to lay on fire. But here's the thing for the grapes. Rate now. In cinema ninety five percent anthem were harvested by the third week of September. According to Michael Hannie Executive Director of the SONOMA's county dinners so there in tanks well protected it Kinda good. However here's the devastations one hundred ninety five thousand people in Sonoma's have been evacuated? There are two wineries that have had significant destruction fieldstone wiry and Soda Rock Winery. So let me compare this to the October. Two thousand seventeen tubs fire in California. It Killed Twenty Two people and destroyed the Paradise Ridge. Winery Rian Santa Rosa. So let's put this in context about eighty percent of. US wind comes from California. It's the fourth largest producer producer of wine in the world sales of forty billion one point five billion in exports and this wind generates another other seven point two billion dollars in California tourism. People come to visit the wineries. So why are these wildfires happening now. The some of course are you climate change and I would tend to put myself in that camp. What is that? It's a combination of parched vegetation shen high winds and low humidity according to CBS. Since the nineteen seventies California wildfires have increased five five fold that is just astounding over the past decade. The average temperatures have risen two degrees Fahrenheit. But here's what's happened happened at the same time there's been a moisture deficit. So what is that. It's the difference between the amount of water that's actually in the atmosphere and the amount of water it can hold. That is not sort of hot up with the increase in average temperature so was that mean. Lower relative humidity causes rush vegetation to dry out faster and that just creates kindling feeling to burn where the fire starts according to CBS. Plus you get wind gusts of seventy miles per hour. And what they're saying his that the wine country wildfires they can see those from San Francisco. This is like an hour hour and a half drive from SONOMA's NAPA. They've had minimal rain last five months again that's just to fuel on this kindling. I just find that fascinating and devastating at the same time that these things are going on. You know the whole thing about wine is that you have to surrender. Wine is an agricultural product so dependent on Mother Nature. I used to work in proctor and gamble P. and G. as a brand manager so think. Pringles Duncan Hines CRISCO. Lots of food products. Those were uniform control variable was high and then here I am wine where it just seems out of your control. You have to deal with what Mother Nature gives you not just oh we had lorraine so. We had an early spring frost but these wildfires it makes you think I am not in control. The only thing I can control is how I respond and react. which is a good metaphor for life and any sort of emotional crisis and yet here we are safe and sound and not in those wildfires? So what can we do. Let me give you a few suggestions. If you're thinking like Oh God is see these pictures on the news about these fires. Fire's what can I do. I open a bottle or three of Soma line support them by Sonora wine. Make a conscious effort. Cher it with others until the wire opening this bottle and it's not just because they're going through a tough time. This is great wine. One of my favorites look from Pune Noir are from cinema. Love that wine go by case this weekend what else can we do. There are fundraising campaigns. Going on right now you can google that to find various fundraising campaigns. Look into those and participate for sure. Also don't cancel plans plans to visit wine country. So what happens when we hear about these. Wildfires is that everybody goes better not go but often the fires are not attacking right where you WANNA go. You'RE NOT GONNA be coughing from smoke. It's often just remotely located and yet they desperately expertly need you to still go to wine country because that is what supports wine sales all the wind jobs all the spinoff jobs for restaurants drones. So don't cancel your plans and actually make plans to go. Some people say oh. They're having a tough enough time. I don't want to overburden them. I'm not the case they want in welcome you. So that's that topic. My second topic is cannabis in line. So here's the thing. Cannabis of course is legal throughout Canada Yay and I say because I've come around to that I thought. Why do we need to do this? But I've really read up on the issue. It's not just a matter of taking something off. A black market that is truly not not harmful in moderation in making more tax dollars. And whatever. But it's about freedom of choice as well and I think that we can make intelligent decisions decisions about cannabis just as we do wine so now cannabis's also as you all know legal in about thirty states either medically door recreationally. Here's the controversy cannabis producers would like to use or starting to use wine appellations nations on their packaging so Napa valley cannabis or Napa Valley. CBD Or THC which are the two psychoactive ingredients radiance. Here's the argument. It is an agricultural product or plant that is based very much on place just like winans or grapevines however why makers are really seriously against this because they built up brand names like Napa APPA valley in Sonoma's and Niagara in the Okanagan and many others in relation to wine and not any other agricultural product in fact often it's protected trademark. So what are we to do about that. The other thing that cannabis this producers doing of course is creating de alcoholized wines with cannabis and they're launching in the US this fall so let me clarify. This product begins a wine with alcohol. That's removed so it's De alcoholized. And then the cannabis's added and traditionally De alcoholized wines or I find neutered of their aroma and taste however these wines with cannabis added added are different animal. There's two methods to add cannabis infusion or emulsion. Infusion means that the cannabis plant is steeped steeped in the wine. As if you're making tea whereas emotions the cannabis is an oil based water. Soluble liquid with the blends in with the wine and is more easily mixed together with it. Then factors Nanno emulsion technology that creates miniscule drops of cannabis oil so that it doesn't separate out from the wine. Of course a lot of people are looking at micro quo dosages these days so instead of looking at the alcohol level on your label of Wine you might be looking for CBD or THC HCE levels absorption of course of CBD or THC varies by person. Informat so smoking cannabis for instance has an immediate impact under the tongue sprays of Lingua fifteen to thirty minutes before you feel the effect edibles one to two hours first liquids about an hour. Some that are marketing these wines. They are saying their giving a body high and a head high That is highly bioavailable. And that's where the absorption varies by person comes into play we all have receptors or sectors that vary by person by biology of how much of this CD or THC we absorb in how fast I find fascinating. Actually but here's more controversy. Can These de alcoholized wines. Even used the word wine wine because federally in the US cannabis is not legal. It's only state by state that it granted legality each one of them have different labeling requirements. So that makes it extra tricky. I would say California. California winery owner Francis. Ford Coppola also a movie director. By the way produces cannabis products under the label. Sana there has been A weed and wine symposium for three years highly popular in Santa Rosa California and in Toronto. alannah Bernstein who operates the company. Vivian Okay has launched an alcohol-free Sparkling Rosaiah of Merlo in Grenache with twenty any five milligrams each of CBD THC offered at thirty eight dollars retail set to debut in September. I need to get a hold of her her. I want to try this by the way coming up in a couple weeks Jamie Evans. Who is a herb sommelier okay? So she combines wine and cannabis. She's at a California. I know you'll love that talk. So we've covered California wildfires cannabis and now we're GONNA go onto mineralogy. WE'RE NOT GONNA get super technical. I'm going to give you some great tips from an article. I read this week but man. This term gets batted around so much. I just wanted to deal with it upfront. You know discovered the website daily seven fifty fifty dot com. I think it's for the wine industry but I'm finding the articles are really well researched and written. I'm going to include a link to the article in the show notes. So let me summarize what they're saying about mineralogy often soil types are listed in a tasting note out for a wine or maybe even on the back of a bottle label seal C. Shift and clay and low all kinds limestone of curse. All kinds of different types soils. What does that mean? Does it really have any relevance the wine and even some wines are named for their soils. So there's wineries like Chalk Hill Terra Rossa magma. Something must be going on frank but really is it. Here's what the daily got seven. Fifty Dot com article says a small amount of material Tiriac from the soil is drawn up through the grapevines roots and deposited in the fruit juice where it lingers through vindication popular blur notion is that say molecules of Flint and chalk can be tasted when we drank these wines. Literal Expression Place Kerry very straight through to our taste buds. Not so my friends. As the article continues it quotes geologist. Alex Maltman from his his book. It's not possible for us to taste minerals from the soil when we drink wine. The roots only absorb water an any substances that make it into the plant. Have to be dissolved in water to be nutrients for the plants. Most of the mineral enroll nutrients taken in by fines. Come from what he calls Hamas takeout with almost that you might get. Maybe it's pronounced humanise anyway. Not what we want eat takeout. But it's the decayed biological matter. That comprises about four percent of Vineyard's soil and of course this could be supplemented with fertilizer Maltman rights as water enters fine roots. It encounters a series of chemical gradients etcetera etcetera biological screens that select which of the dissolved ions could pass through and be transported transported into the vines any further says geological materials rocks aren't mostly tasteless and odorless. So what are we doing when we're saying wine is or has great mineralogy. So Michael towards the article goes on to say of the Mondale L. Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia Says People can taste minerals the biologically relevant like sodium salt calcium magnesium zinc but the flavor of wine is so complex can some of the minerals that were actually discussing housing be perceived. I wrote about this in my book but Randall Graham. Who Am I love a winemaker and founder? Bonny Doon Hyun. Vineyard California actually put rocks into line in the barrel as it was fermented and it was not integrate experiment but at least it was worthwhile knowing and the does the FDA the Federal Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms. It's such an odd mix came to him and prevented him from doing further experiments. Because I think some arsenic was starting to emerge not that he intended handed that but Graham said his experiments were quote disastrous but that there was an exposure exposure to minerals that created the sensation of morality. So I think morality is often a feeling more than a taste haste. I don't know if it's like those -LICA- made things. We used to get his kids. That would explode and pop on our tongues when we're young you you know little explosive little flavors. But I think it's more a feeling than taste back the moment the geologist who says as can influence wine but it's more in the way that a particular soil composition drains the fine roots have to fight harder or how it retains reflects the sun's heat. That's more relevant if you've had a sip of salt water you've had a good idea. Minerali is like and that's what Multon Sing we can pick up sodium. It really is a taste but when you get beyond that for other minerals. They're less taste observant if you will. Acidity plays a major part acidity entity I think in mineralogy have often been confused. So saline or selling a SERTA. Go the White Crepe from Greece. This is a great example. It's not actually minerals. It's an illusion sensation of chalk and minerals and salt but that does not mean it's actually actually minerals. Because the grapes absorb water not minerals to summarize morality there are three definitions of morality. Mineralogy can mean the actual geological minerals that make up the rocks in the ground. According to this seven fifty article too it can refer to to nutrient minerals that the plant tries to absorb like potassium or three a flavor descriptors. But that's were we get lost or confused as a flavor descriptors when you say. This wine has great morality. Is it a smell is it a taste is it. A mouth feel is an acidity is it aroma or is it some elusive combination of all of it. That's what I would say in a lucid combination of all. Let's just compare for a moment. We can say that a Wine Line Smells like Ripe Cherries. Does that mean cherries were added to the one. No of course not what that means sounds in my mind. Is that the Wine Mimics the aromas of cherries. And how does it do that. Because wine is the ultimate chameleon million fruit and that coat I need to write it down eight Kellyanne molecular mimic the structures that give off off the Aromas of Cherries in cherries themselves. But in the wine so we think wow this smells like cherries. Did They Crush Cherries into this wind. You know they did not but this chameleon wine is giving off Jerry so I think it can do the same for mineralogy an an intern stone flint. Clay loam limestone. Whatever you have there that's my conclusion and also no cherries harmed in the making of this broadcast or a little taste my board Dell and then onto our fourth and final topic Elaine my core student I'm tasting that pure wet and it is really coming into its own nil. It's been three hours to candidate and Bordeaux twenty four bucks. You cannot be that I will be posting this link in the show. Notes the PODCAST. But it's a balance Allen's glass dot Com so this is a site that is for people who work in the wind industry but I think that for those of us who love line who who drink wine frequently regularly I think all of us have an interest in how to balance a love of line with a healthy lifestyle and I love the approach of this website. It is designed for wine. Growers vintners offers wine. Retailer sommeliers writers but I just and get has a relevance for a broader audience who loves wine and drinks wine regularly early and wants to know Emma keeping it all in check is Mike consumption balanced. Am I living a full life because to me a full life includes the pleasure of mine but also not overindulging and I am a moth to a flame as I have expressed in the past to be full surface here. My father was an alcoholic. My mother in grandmother were teachers so I know the power of knowledge from my mother and grandmother and the power of indiscriminate use news of something so that's why I'm always surfacing health studies I am like got my antenna up all the time for. What is the latest scientific research telling us? How can we live a balanced and healthy life with wine as part of it this to me? He is very interesting. The objective of this site is for people to say. Hey I love wine. I work in the wine industry or a loved wine as a regular part of my life. So how do I keep that imbalance a balanced glassed ask dot com. I encourage you to check it out. You know when abstinence is not a priority or realistic. I can't stop tasting Ching wine and yet I wanna live a healthy life. So what do I do and I love the tips that they have in this post. They were interest interviewed by food and Wine magazine in the United States. Not to be confused with food and drink by L.. CBO they have a weekly email. That will give you tips tips on balancing your consumption. And it's not a school bits Nada. Stop now or you'll ruin your family. They're really good really good tips. So you just share with you a few things first of all tip one. Be Honest with where you are with your consumption. Everyone's different and there's no judgment. We all know that men and women have different moderation shing guides. I've heard one to two to three glasses of wine for women to to four glasses for men but we just need to come to grips with where we want to be in life and how we want to enjoy life and how we WANNA on wake up in the morning there tip to change one thing us a neat thing and it's not about getting all wine police with where you're rat but I love this tip. Count the glasses you drink for example decant a half a bottle so you don't drink the whole the thing. Put the glass down between sips. Drink one or two glasses of wine to every glass of water. I love that simple things because I think as with wine so with food we can mindlessly eat. We can go through a whole Al Baha a large bag of potato chips while watching TV. When you're mindful that's where the change comes with anything not just food and wine signed but all kinds of things in our lives get connected? There's lots of groups who promote or who support moderation an absence. If that's the way you want go absence but moderation you want to seek out that kind of support. Here's what I love. Breathe Reeve breath work. And if you haven't heard of this get turned onto it whether you go for an APP like Com. I've got no affiliation with them or just deep breathing. Deep Belly breaths that tells you to relax. The Predator is gone. The racist run run. You can relax. WE'VE GOT PRIMAL URGES TO PROTECT RUN to be fearful. We descend from a long line of people people who stayed alive in the jungle. And we don't need to do that anymore. Just breathe big deep belly breasts just four to five of them you will change your physiology and your mindset all right love it by for now take care well there you have it. You'll find links to the articles. I mentioned and my latest reviews the video version of this discussion and that links that you can sign up for my new free wine class about those five devastating waiting pairing mistakes that you wanna avoid especially over the holidays in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash fifty four. So what was your favorite tipper quote from this episode. Please share that with me on twitter facebook and tag me at Natalie Maclean on instagram. I'm at Natalie Maclean wine. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it. Especially one who's interested in learning about mineralogy and wine or who wants to get get in on that free pairing class. My podcast is easy to find with you. Search Google on its name unreserved. Wine talk or on my name. 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68: Pairing Spicy Dishes & Wines with Vikram Vij and Sean Nelson

Unreserved Wine Talk

52:15 min | 4 months ago

68: Pairing Spicy Dishes & Wines with Vikram Vij and Sean Nelson

"Bone-dry reasonings can work really well in basis stuff. Lights are being wind. Read through that Agnes the richness of fried foods or anything. You have wine. That's got a little bit of sweetness. This does you can play it off with things that have Joey. Have some extra spice. Our little bits of each that eats taming. The best thing about this line is that it's not just about assured it's also is city a It walks of sweetness and a city that keeps it very fresh berry balance molecule Taco meter as Erin for spicy foods while Serena has one side of that site. Ruby has sweetness as they are Maddix. It doesn't always happen. Acidity generally find reason to better air more spicy dishes more complexity and freshness and our other matic weights with speaks. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine? D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you. Unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Passed me that bottle please. Let's get started. Welcome to episode sixty eight. Do you wonder how to pair wine and spicy foods? What happens when you turn up the heat in a dish? How does that affect wine as I get older? I find amping up the heat on my spicy dishes and I sometimes wonder is that sign of maturing palate or one. That just can't taste much anymore and thank I'm GonNa go with the first option however I don't Wanna give up on wine with those meals and that's where guests on. Today's episode of the unreserved wine. Talk can help us. They work together to create one of Canada's best restaurants renowned for both its food and wine celebrity chef and author. Vikram vintage has written numerous bestselling cookbooks. He's also been on. Hit shows such as chopped top chef and Dragon Stan. He's the first Indian chef to earn a SOMMELIER DEGREE HEAD. Somalia Sean Nelson also joins us on this chat. He became western Canada's youngest advanced sommelier graduate in two thousand sixteen and is now working toward the coveted master sommelier designation this conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video. Show so occasionally. You'll hear me respond to viewer questions and comments. You can join that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern. I'll put a link as to where you can find us in the show notes as well as links to both Sean and villages websites. Social media handles and the video version of this conversation at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty eight. Since our conversation Sean Nelson has moved onto another renowned restaurant in Vancouver called Hawksworth now speaking of pairing difficult dishes with wine. You can avoid these disasters when you sign up for my free online video wind class the five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and choose a time date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you there. Okay on with the show. They join me now from the restaurant Vancouver. Welcome Vikram Sean. Hi guys thank you so much now. I've just shared some of the top line details of both your backgrounds. They need to take a moment to fill in some of the details that I missed starting with you. Victim to be honest with you before I became a Million I actually wanted to be a bollywood actor. Okay and my father said no son of mine is going to become a chef. Is He definitely realized that those at five thirty stage be entertaining? You're laughing fire and having a conversation. That is great. I love that you've associated film-making with the theater of the table my partner and I we debated for many years. Should we go the ballet or whatever? We'd never have enough time with it. You know what our theater is right here in the restaurant we love it so I love that you view it that way as well and Sean what can you fill in for us? That's funny too is is at one point as well also wants to be an actor islands in school theater degree at the time. I was working in restaurants and imus may uses for not going into an acting saying that I was on stage at the restaurant. I was practicing my crafts. I fell in love with the hospitality industry and continue down at Lake. Got where I am today Growing as a subway asks the national. Wow Yeah I've heard such good things. I cannot wait to actually go to your restaurant but it's just now it's it's it's it's everybody speaks so highly and I love the fact that your top of your game in your cuisine and you take wine so seriously I mean you have fun with it but you also really value wine and your wine list and so on your recognized. I think by was it. Wine wine spectator wine busiest. Yes for for your restaurant list and of course the Vancouver Wine Festival has recognized the work you do with your food and wine pairing so. That's pretty amazing. Some let's talk about first. The exact moment that you realized Shama throat to you first this time that you wanted to be sommelier or at least to work in the wine industry wine hospitality food. I started my career in the industry. The cake statehouse at very prominent state s chain in Canada so reserved for a number of years as a dishwasher. Buster Bartender Server Workman way up and reach a certain point. When it's just not enough. I needed more needed to learn more More so I went seeking other places to work. I found for diamonds. Restaurant rock rank up as I worked in the owner in there and I learned a lot and I remember when Nice Manager. The owner was was walking through the restaurant. You saw a bottle. Makes Ninety eight Leonida Merlot from Washington state was in seller? And there was a little bit of each Oth- you could see wind took suicide We'RE GONNA open strike it so myself and our writer actor and the owner. The office opens auteuil axes today. An Irish blown away. I didn't know why she's like that went to do the things that with a all from point that I was absolutely absolutely so Vikram. Do you remember the moment exactly you? Do you wanted to cook shaft to be in the food world. As I said I wanted to be inactive grandfather if you did would bring a bottle of Scotch and his lap and he would say you know when you opened up a restaurant. I would like to be the bartender of your ever. Since the young age I had seen handed open up a restaurant from GRANDPA DISTRICT. executive Study a big shift. I realized at hardly we just as a great view had so that you could have beforehand on food. It was Gruden Leslie. It's was lightning was allow frankish. Right Really Beautiful Enderle. Well obviously that time bogut do such whether it was up unit while the It's so loud that Hawaiian culture that sitting bubble and that Sitting a little bit so that matching Elvis just to feel that this is a match made in heaven joy states. Well that sounds fantastic. I was talking about this with Sean earlier but I wish you would open a restaurant here in Ottawa. But we need that kind of that care for the wine list with different cuisines even where perhaps a wine industry and winegrowing wasn't traditional where the cuisine grew up from. But it's just marvelous do have any winds from India on your list. We don't have any way to the site now at with you so impressed. For years ago I decided to build an idiot. Wind of this place called NASC outside of Bombay had even for whites so sue last one of them is. The need is passage. Aw you'll have increased in your mouth. Shut out visiting oil train was because that's what I want. Do I answer the question about the Dining is beautiful is of jabbing. Nut was explaining why he was really really good. Allow country while that's so. Is the industry growing pretty quickly? They're hugely every talk of every restaurant is serving really really good. Blinds read it for mocking Indian wines. Because they are. Changing the are walking in senior winemakers could actually spend more hires and you must have. Bears have the bedroom different Sandy of Is Ryan is loose. Be sophisticated but for everyday drink. Animals allopathy Assault many response assuming Sony Great White added Robertson and Gustav as well. Yeah so you cut down to that early though. I mean your background speaks to why you're so passionate about wine. But was there anything else. Prompting you to specially in the Vancouver market to open this restaurant but to really have wine almost as important as the food while I will to So beautiful North Pacific northwest. Winds at the time manager was Roy was race Caja so but it was as the restaurant. I said I'M GONNA be have fights and five minutes that's usually to the identity of the money to buy you arrived. Sliwa four by by wax liquor so everybody and by four or five miles away for the reds. And that's how by another weinstock offer publicity of adding the restaurant. I realized if I really want to talk about wine. Sue The employer I needed to challenge so many Get challenged I did feel the first sight of the first one to say is I came back exempt defeats. The point was food rewind. Just INDIAN FOR BLIND FOR HATE RIGHT. Fantastic now With all your television experience dragons den top chef chopped did wind play much of a role in any of those shows with the Y. I guess maybe not dragons Dan but was there. Any component of wine in those shows a newtalk circle of a trump candidates even though it is the lengths of time as you always imagine what dish a slag outlet Ubaid Hey How would I pay this winding you? Something that you are as a funding would take notes down until you have this Jovan restating. What would happen to the shame of Africa just genial Biz The excite me tear absolutely more storytelling first victims. Let's go to what's been the worst moment of your cooking career you'll have invisible to build was full as dessert moments me. Was I just along the restaurant up a friend of mine? It'd be a nice spot. Love read by do enjoy And Good luck with the winding Wine Room affable social. Visiting about I think few months later he came into the restaurant and he says I didn't realize law going. Yup I took the table space and is in the game. So the common back. Really quickly gaining the sparkle of by our Nice recovery big league. A nineteen. So-and-so I don't even remember what goes on the stance get Abbas as little overhead for human in joshing. Like fifty bucks realize the unity back really really busy moment. So that is a great story. Sean do you have one vicar upset? You haven't Baresi moments. Yes hadn't he? Worst moments is always terrible. When you still something on someone especially as Away I remember that edges at the beginning whenever he comes in all see everybody. We pass on everybody. That's down and so we're walking around with full trays water. Glasses and the restaurant at There is not a less space between tables. I remember when night as a woman came down and walking asked she thatcher charitable this old straight of Water. Glasses out jumped click. Someone had just been her shots. And that's how I started that evening. I hope the editor there. Well Okay and we need to heal these memories now so back to your your best moments so far food we many more unsure of your kid was it was a Sunday afternoon. I was at the restaurants and don't have as much of the restaurant and I really have stopped apples relations and at a legitimate wall in the Kim this ad and another younger jets restaurant in the whole restaurant when in drop silence all around to see who the laws which everybody recognize. But if I was going to give up my principles of notice It was via any invitation in less funds allowed. Aw and have ended up to them said. The Suicide Rate Appeals K. EVENT. In the back you gotTa Table. Aids vessels as relieving I- random to catch speeds during his feet. It's a form of respect huge respect as I just want to say it was one sees nineteen sixty s that allowed immigrants. That megyn commented screen on Canada and be successful. Would we do any kind of gave me a big hug against Indian food lots of this absolutely delicious? Represent is a essential financial of country in just two meter. Delicious Indian for memories led a great story. BELIEVE IT. I just read Omens or must've Losch last wide alleged up the Dow one who has lovely shun best one of the best Florence so Two years ago in that part of the New Year's art restaurants years ago just as we were. You're moving restaurants removed from grandkids locations. Cambio location we still have bill restaurant and we were still using a Seder's our anatomy back Andy. Streets Muscle for all parties. So he through a party at the old Granville Space and we buy some are s chests and close friends and late soon. Enjoyed it soothes the have at. He was nine meterologist. The Moa Shayne or at midnight. That's the party. Faithful to four vessel is heavy. It's Leah to Decamp Ryan on bottle. Ordinance excludes acid around the room and close midnights and now everybody has arming on their aunts and Burr. Running around all his mind and time sticking down is seconds or seconds. Three seconds to midnight tonight Last of stack a balance of his table. One last champagne. Perla my track turn round and Mcknight standing there unlike Chevy too nice timing was just so her crazy see everybody enjoying your z's released sometimes life just works out and everything clicks in comes together so we should get into a little bit of this food and wine pairing teasing so long here. Which pairing would you like to start with? What would you control yes? Okay sparkling so. We got some traditional Vince. Arkley wine is made by a family. This is or England's wines made from and his aides bone-dry or her mind native traditional method offers at tastic value as opposed to champagne is pricey because of the limited area a season. All you have your In honor of you folks vendors out in brutal I love it Sony. Thirty Bucks in. It's it's classic method traditional as well so would lounge and send up and jaded Ian is when I first opened the restaurant up. Cain was really really picky about For wines to be an ill will ever to have the bureau bluff. Ask and I remember the day I said no use Luderitz Aloe around your Wyman. The whitelist knows why would be happy? That you will by. The one of the wireless is what she did. She asked me right. That S why I want food of its own one-page letter to say this is what I'm dead. She Motivation other kids. Running the I know I love their winds the whole lineup for Pinot Noir Chardonnay. To the sparkling. They're just topnotch really superb. Sean what do you think we should be pairing with the sparkling wines when you're talking about parking lot as a couple of things that really naked standout art and with our food especially and and a lot of spicier dishes. Ba- cleansing effect of doubles is basically. What you're getting when you drink a beer that refreshments at at cleansing the pilots that ability to go back for bite and another step again and again. It's really works because otherwise you get weighted down. You have all of the spices fat Heaviness don't want that you want things to remain late. Fresh his work as a great air for anything. That's been hand fried or deep fried anything that's fat and he's not low calorie as you know so vicious. Ergun with trade sponsors or anything like that sparkling wine as great city through that APP. Those are all really important. Factors in how air these wines with our foods and it works as a great air for a lot of issues and I close my love the vegetative characteristics of any style of bubble. Because I think when you get peppers and right right vegetables Justin Wilkes really relevant. The rich major greed cues gravies class at the end. Do you think Spice Hate Somehow. Change the taste or how we perceive sparkling wine at all. Change with a district. Nightmare should be. Is that you take a sip of wine. And it's Izzy any databank of your food at that's delicious. Ambassador headed should Alkaline the winds our food match select joy and I find sparkling. Wine is probably the most food friendly wine on the planet so anything that challenges wide based DISH. Quiche artichoke asparagus. All of these really challenging foods sparkling wine. They meet their match. And it's just as you said shy city. It's the bubbles in its that cleansing power like an ocean house aides especially to really extra things like mushrooms in eggplants. Yes Muslims just to. This book called grew as a book and the one ingredient and chosen I realize Leonard Cohen. Who's a Canadian? Loves TO DRINK A bottle of champion floor onto stage designs so I actually made a mushroom pizza. Actual that he's easily bottle of champion and this is a really beautiful and having groups that Anything food will look now. No wonder Cohen was so fluid. So say on the lyrics just flowed. I think that bottle of Krug was probably helping or Champagne. I should so are there any wines. That really disaster with spicy or dishes has been. I mean maybe so many as many people in this would offer having bike over chicken curry of elabore essay the Oleg on having a nineteen sixty five solo cat So if you're buying really on wine at owner or Expecting to have you with Indian food classically Indian food is apparently. Looks like Bel Having said? That doesn't mean rate of these are riddles. Are Italian. Store drew? Just the bitch to cubs slightly less leads. Sleepy fielder enjoy right. I agree I I wouldn't necessarily or anything to subtle at two elegance and he is loud. It's energetic out there and so Ryan's that out of those characteristics are also a good match this. It'd be too subtle to Lena. Chris Hyde wants to point to show itself and be a little bit more exuberance right good advice. Is there anything more you want to save? The sparkling wine in the spicy food haven't says I was in South Africa Last year Few slapping bites from Shannon Muzzles of eight months those wind reinstating their fabulous signed yet spine sitting around in a kind of left a room and went back to bed at end brushfire please. And I felt that he would be so long Left in the bottle is just beautiful so I actually put little bigger bottle off by to brush. I didn't WanNa Buddhist. I think there's a new branding opportunity there. I mean we got senator died but this is a whole lot more interesting toothpaste some product. That's right youtube views of camping thing of legal waste. I just use the bottle delicious. What a fun idea got to try that and people would trace wine throughout the exactly because it worked so well so much somebody different foods it does and everybody just thinks it's for toasting or at the beginning or just a pair of teeth but you can drink this in the beauty of it is. It's got lots of flavor zest but it's also low alcohol so it's a nice way of pacing throat a holiday meal any meal really and you don't WanNa Be Asleep on the Sofa at seven so it's quite nice that way. Twelve percents usually wear the alcohol clocks in so gentlemen. What do we have next preparing? Which wine in. Which direction are we going to? This is N. my favorite styles of wind at favor grace. Recycling as Grizzly is such a versatile rape. And you've got yours as well as I had the Kung Fu girl from Washington state. Off-drives thing we are doing the same urban sof nick vice selection urban from the muzzle in Germany made in so many different styles. You can have on dry crisscrossing. There's reasons Arkell wife few opportunity gets sets and then you have sweeter styles Off Dry dry desert so because it's so versatile played that way with food is dry riesling can work really well in basis flakes. Are being wind read through that Agnes the richness of fried foods or creed or anything heavy. You have a wine. That's got a little bit of sweetness like this. Does you can play it off with things that have chilly. Have some extra spice. How Little Bits of keys that eats taming? The best thing about this line is that it's not just about assured also about Alice's itself. It walks this tight wrote of sweetness and city accused very fresh berry balance. People talk about reader as Erin for spicy foods and while garage has one side of that site. Ruby has the sweetness as the aerobatics. It doesn't always happen. The city off of that increase into the air more spicy dishes more complexity freshness and or other aromatic weights beats. That's an excellent point Shawn because I think diverts if I'm not mistaken translates to spice since we always think spice wide the default over and over again. But you're right. There's an edginess of raciness to recently the isn't always there with diverts demeanor and I would think yeah. It makes a much greener. Can't Airways special. Yeah Oscar instrument or at the restaurant and there's some that are just outstanding but it has to be handled carefully managed a me to work with tech and I've offended in Australia. And they're obviously you buy for both of the leaders and the A still wines is coming from you know his community releasing Australia of Germany. These lands Sprints again is that you can drink a fluid and line it doesn't You'll that mouth feel as if the oligarchy by Back sometimes can be a little a little. How or Such and this way. This line Asche be more an will buy exactly you know and I was just reading with like a Tannock y like tenant Cabernet which I would think would be one of the less good Weinstein pair with Indian cuisine every SIP. Dry Your mouth out further. Because the Tannin's are taking the proteins out of your saliva and agglomerated coming together so your first sip is drying your second. Sip is more drying and it keeps going and going whereas this is just mouth-watering and mouth-watering and juicy and giving like to your point Vikram. Yeah so what? Do we put with this gentleman this reasoning. We have a fantastic dish on the menu has been there. It'd be religious Jefford. This tomato curry made with Artemis This deep rich smokey tomato corrine as a roasted Jack Fruit Art which anybody that has had young Jack. Fruits servants fibrous edge symbols works really well all labor of that sauce talk a little bit of pickled ginger chillies so it has the acids ice recently. Were skated Otane. The Chili to pair with elements that smoke and sites from Ginger and reproof and go ahead use a Goo- Southeast Asian. Kind of flip look like meat so vegetarian and normally need you eat jacquards because To the feel of the beautiful city of the Ginger Comes from Black Harlem. Just kidding really well with the wine and the food descriptions make my mouth water. Doing your job. Would you say the balance of your list is more whites in sparkling than reds actually? It's pretty equal. You have a bar. Selection resumes well is. It's pretty came out about one. Hundred Twenty selections are Rams Right. Now of half of our our way read got about twenty artem winds Our minds Five terrorists beautiful. Stop you don't just say I'm the only way owning Pilot is being performed. On what life is a democracy of outs? Made a one so many ways of messed up a new roads set off from astles even one and you should talk to him. He'd be dead. Who are you Jiji so you airlines mind list pleases every tear absolutely so how many wines by the Glass Sean? Right now by the glass that we have seven whites glass and then eight amends for startling. That's wow that's really impressive. Struggling mistake we invite sparkling so we really try to push that we do everything from Psycho for twelve fifty lasts two in China which we have a reserve matt groups issue body last as well as a crew as well or glass basically at cost relaxed Crew is at. How is the a leader the champagne worlds? And it's great. It's not she by Liz hours or you can have a glass of the restaurant for fifty dollars. So yeah it's an amazing line. Lee says any Canadian sparkling on the menu while they did mention Blue Mountain leaves. No no if you have any others or together undoing. When's right now? We don't how Monteria we've had eventually bridge. Oh yes sheds. While on the Linda Pass selection of Ontario when's in British Columbia is a little limited provincial rate gaps? Alary IS THERE. There is some great. Pc's may shock by last available Ashton. Science to again is the great great busy lines available of Cleaning Mines Wilbur West at all right so we have dealt with the recycling. Now move onto a red. So which reds are we all right? So what we've got a where to his a new world ser-. Aw Yes. This is time. Life that can get their Cuvee violettes. Raw aromatic icy oral forward. New World Straw Straw does wonderful things with carries those characters itself has at Africanus at little earthy Armaments and then when you roll it out gates more waste Scotia Vice Now. Elite elements of the wine and the food also serves refreshing And to be a little bit. Ir City freshness so doing something like this as that smokiness at Harry floral notes is just awesome absolutely and I find the texture of Sarah's so lovely like it's like velvet liquid velvet it's just fills your mouth and there's not a lot of the harsh. Tannin's nothing drippy. Everything's slippery slide Say The winds have tanned. Don't care with spicy food. Everything from Nuro Pinot noir all the way up to Rollo on the list so we have a wide range of styles to suit every People restaurant not say line Harrison Indian food. Let's like saying what line here's European food so much variety there's so many different styles even in our our limited menu go from the rich areas. Although extra rich heavy so picking one line to everything is almost impossible. Shera wind you enjoy and then you have food with it. That's what makes it great areas. Well it's out when you want what you will enjoy what you WANNA share with your friends absolutely now going back to you. Say You have some Tannock wines? They will work with Indian spicy foods. How does that work? Because I always thought. Avoid Tannock lines altogether so the effective tenants on your mouth. You were taught you vote Onto onto proteins food is full of protein so throwing the Nadalo acts of the light embraced showroom. Is You have this rich fatty showroom moines spend slow raised service tomato grow Kale and Russia of this rich spicy And it also ounce it's oftens every bit melt away to the needs of the needs Nelson into your mouth books and then you can go back for Zippy as you've been refresh again by between all of the wines at city also used the keys. Aaron Mind Foods. Italians figured this out a long time ago. All THEIR WINES NASSAR WHY? They're so good with food because absolutely is why it is yes. That's true and now how about the other challenger wines with high alcohol. You've got the heat of spice not always but when you do have heat and spice. Isn't that a clash? Sometimes it depends on how the winter is just Is it of the law? LemMe Note if you find your panel of being off having a heavy Yuki Salah Go styles of Styles Jammie saw lines. And you have the WHO SONG. You for joining it at the. It's that one Actually idioms regions Super GonNa find the wines at four point five fifteen percent alcohol either only have one glass of Notice it'd be belt last the right to pull the boils at Mitchell Hill and readily got the call. Say you're going to be the same as ADA radio been for two hundred years. You'll have a little shape away. Stool Say something that everybody was there. I was like Apple. Thanks collegiality mind. The agree with ended up not okay. Let's remind honestly cave you come to my table. She so nice and friendly that I just literally messed it. Land also Actually last line. They had the shoe Laptops those they actually hit the media. You're lamb popsicles. Because she loved them so much that she loves so much and the I was identifiable book at found out that other mennonites that served to the guests that they second ACLU Not She's a commerce which had can add muscle before giving the land hopsitals Ignat a his face suspension rate of serving you bet and he light of the White Just enjoying it might first reaction was I. It was beautiful in the explosion. Nice Day baby Means so much not be breaking nice. Red Wine is a five minute on cozying and comfortable and you haven't come from Indian salutes feeling. Get absolutely so I WANNA ask you a few questions before we wrap this up so to each of you starting with you Sean. If you could share a bottle of wine with anyone living or dead who would that be? And why will I think if I was share? A bottle of wine with anybody would be my great grandfather. Oh yeah he passed away when I was about six or fifteen so I never got to be adults with air. Ration- was born in Cornwall. He came over to Canada's young boy. You stylish himself here. He started a number of companies in Colombia. He works through a very challenging period in the growth of this country and I just I loved year smoke stories. Hasn't it ought to be able to share a moment with a back and forth at some wine. Tell him about what I am doing. Our action I am of Leslie Flickr. I was less wind with him. Because that man break whatsoever is I give him A. Try Tom Bundy of the Monday. Yes vote glass of wine. Because I know he would not Jesse Blast LINE. I would leave him with of child at And left in the women. Say What would you miss it you to free India to go through so at odds In a lawyer plus and why is money not with Mitt New? At how is seen. The handily changed across the nation in the League to see that he has left behind find pot of the thought process. I would love to sit down and and trying to win while uttering both your memories shares so go ahead now as we wrap up. Is there anything that we haven't covered that you'd like to mention it? Whatever you want to mention is that a chicken a ZIV now. Okay just one dish sexy crop masilo of incidence loose bench cooking steak. Suspenseful aid is so much mood. Food Cool traveled will be dead going South Asia and see what a rich country of the spices. As Implementation's combinations I will just be at Mount. Please go and honestly the other chefs updating great burgundy's even though they're slightly Have the full yellow Golden Straw College. You it's as the But they're panicking or bugs debated trump's less reduced beautiful little things that they eat. And it's it's incredible to. I mean I had a cockroach of the Diet had any of the caucus beautiful Zuma's so go and travel to increase the melodies and expense sign of food and wine vantage impressed to come back and say wow from graphic data. Yeah I've got. I've got to try that Tarantula with older mature Burgundy. That's right Sean. And Mel C WANNA mention. I just think that people should take into consideration experimentation and that's been some of the most fun in the time that I said that it just is getting to try to get into something new out. There and errands are always the most fun when you hit a dish and you're going to try something like this. Sharia massacre come into the restaurant. She brought a bunch of Hillary ends. You're not that's not something that you're taking and one in particular was piet. Sheri's is Sheri and it had very rich deep dark flavors and a lot of sweetness and I said let me try something and I brought them a little late venison which is done with date. Tamarind vegetables as the smokiness would never think to pair a sweet Sherry with me. He as Loin. But the fact that at this Days sweetness balanced it at nate for us as areas just on the limb. Try something new. If you think it might work than try it and see what happens and then go and tell your friends come into the restaurant. Tell me about the thing that you have to see if I can do. Something else and tastic. Yes we should all go to a restaurant in Vancouver. What's the website biggest dot ca here? So whenever you're in Vancouver or for those of you who are tuning in from Vancouver. Go I'm GonNa go gotTa make the Mecca The journey. This was such a great conversation educational but also very entertaining. The stories were amazing. Thank you both. Vikram Sean. Thank you so much for joining us. And we'll bid Adieu and good night to you now all the best for you both for everything that you're working on a thank you so much. No mostly all the chefs be Let them excuse script food and buying in Canada. Auto cutting the destination pass. Let's make sure the wound nose of your own. Alright Alright Rallying. Cry At the end. They are cheers. Tvos TAKE CARE. Bye well there. You haven't I hope you enjoyed this chat with Vikram Bridge and Sean Nelson here. My takeaways number one I love. How village describes a restaurant as being on stage performance for the guests the guests in turn bring to the table. Democracy of pallets wonderful phrase. I know personally of always loved the drama and theater of dining out number two I equally loved. Shawn's description of tasting his first great wine. He says he didn't know that a wine could do the things it did. I think we all have a memory of first wine. That moved us to become passionate about learning more about it. Number three victim shares some interesting developments about the Indian wine industry. There was also an article recently in the Sunday New York Times about that. I'm so curious to try Indian wines. I'd love to hear from you if you've tried any and what you'd recommend number four. Sean made my mouth water with his pairing of sparkling wine and spicier heavier Indian dishes. How the bubbles acidity cut through the fat and cream and heat. I like how he characterizes. Indian food is loud and energetic and that it needs an equally expressive wine and number five. I think the best tip is clearing up. The misperception that diverts demeanor which translates to spice fine should always be our default pairing with spicy food when it often doesn't have the acidity or off dry character. That recently does go recently. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it. Especially one who's interested in the great wine and food pairing tips that Vikram and Sean Shared. You'll find links to their websites. Social media handles the video version of this conversation and where you can find us on. Facebook live every second Wednesday at seven PM in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash sixty eight. Finally if you WANNA connect with me personally join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. Thank you for taking the time to join me here. I hope something great is in your glass this week. 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67: Become a Better Wine Taster with Master Sommelier Elyse Lambert

Unreserved Wine Talk

40:23 min | 5 months ago

67: Become a Better Wine Taster with Master Sommelier Elyse Lambert

"Always always jump liberates before going for facing. How'd you calibrate? Sec on okay. Cool climate wide. That's what you're drinking to calibrate your palate to get it right okay. That's what made the difference for me and I've tried before I've dreaded with dear. I've tried it with different things than I was trying to figure out with was working in what made the difference in my journey definitely was calibration. Ration- allows you to say something you know what it is all about in. Just make sure that your ballot is understanding. Okay this is highest deteriorate. This is sincere. This Shibli This is where the city level is. So you are the salvation process. You know where you are. When you get to try your first wine you're gonNA be like ready to go and the calibrations they're working for you yeah that's like when Musicians start by getting in tune with a note as they go Like I can't sing but they're doing it with the piano so that there then we can begin thirst to learn about wine. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people. Ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations All. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you. Unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass that bottle please. And let's get started. What's the one thing you can do when visiting wine regions to make it your best trip ever? How can yoga help you become a better wine taster? How do you calibrate your palate? And why should even do that? And what's it like competing in the world's best sommelier competition? Welcome to episode. Sixty seven of the unreserved wine. Talk podcast our guest today. Has Those answers for you. Plus many more tips on how you can become a much better wine taster. Elise Lambert has not only earned the coveted master sommelier designation. She was also named Canada's best sommelier and came in fifth in the world's Best Somali event. This conversation first aired on my regular. Facebook LIVE VIDEO. Show so occasionally. You'll hear me respond to viewer questions and comments. You can join that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern. I'll put a link as to where you can find us in the show notes as well as links to Elisa's website social media handles and the video version of this conversation at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty seven. Speaking of becoming a better wine taster you can do just that when you sign up for free online video wine class the five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and. She's a time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you inside the class. Okay on with the show so our guest has not only earned a coveted master sommelier designation but she was named Canada's best sommelier in a very fierce competition and then she went on to place fifth in the world at the world's best sommelier competition. She has lots of tips and tricks to share with us about appreciating wine tasting wine and she joins me now live from her home in Montreal. Welcome Elise Land Air many. You could just start off by telling us. Do you remember the exact moment when you realize I wanNA be a? I have a pretty clear idea from my persuade class. I totally fell in love with everything that such unwind from the discovery of all the different flavors to their geography to the history and the procedure was just amazing so that was in nineteen ninety eight and for me. It was like okay. That's what I WANNA do for living so as the first in the class all the fine pushing my best just next teacher's desk in asking millions of questions and that's where every everything started. I was in Jail Management. That the time okay institute autism tourism in Assam Is that in Montreal that school? Yes yes okay so you were class keener and you realized to now do wine run in the family. Is anybody else in the business or was wind part of growing up on the table? Or what got you actually going into that program. In the first place food was very important home. A my mom was cooking each and every night in having dinner together as a family in that in this very precious time around the table made me believe that the table is a number one place where you can learn share in grow and get everything that needs to have as a kid to grow up with the right tools in your toolbox in. Disney's adding the idea that the table was so important when I got into hotel management. The idea was that I wanted to take care of people know that was my number one in from that the wine world just opened up to me and I went back to second class at a real suddenly class ninety nine in the to certification In since then I've been That's Creamy to put it. I love it so you took the hotel management and the sommelier classes and then did you go and work in the industry or did you jump sort of straight into the studies in preparation for the master similarly dissipation. I was already working in the industry. I've been since I was sixteen. So restaurant was for me. Something that was part of my life already though when. I opened Management Class. I had the chance to start working in high end hotel and restaurant. That's where I got all the tools or knowing fish in sauce and in in having like a great de Beautiful When listen wine cellar? I'm remembering quite Welby half-million that Sammy burned down two years ago. But we had one of the most impressive. A wine is at the time and always like looking at the similarly in wanting so much to do what he was doing so that got me into entwined quite quickly when I finished school in a guppy. Some of their best internship as well. I was working really really nice places. We'll places severe the restaurants that you intern at. Maybe we'll recognize some of them. Well of course be a hobby minor. Hobie manner that is now the population afterward chain in Bush as well that closed down but that was shocked West Wellington. It's been amazing experiences where I learned truly was assembly About in since I was a junior in those places is thinking of everybody there at a semi class so they were allowing us to work in our own sections so selling the winds in the food in our own section. So I took like sem bicep the possibility of wanting to suggest in slowly as well as simulated to support me in this so it was. It was fine of super nights but me into competition is first and foremost when I got out of school in Ninety Nine. I was like I don't know anything. I just started assembly a clause. There's so much things to know so many things in that you. I was looking to keep in my book. And that's why I started in actually was already from beating with a friend at the time for best of Quebec and I was looking at what they were doing duty trail and wanting to participate including blind date with them. I was like rookie as we can me at the time but it was just good stuff perfect so you started off with the best similarly a competition. You got your feet wet. Their two thousand four. Okay Gosden for. How did you do that year? Was it mostly a year of experience? Showy say or how did it go? Belli's guns differs dunaway's Sodhi a trial back into one decimal connect for the first time we add re woman on the Rhodium in-depth words something that was quite exceptional that open mic a little window somewhere again. Oh by women in industry that could make sense. Yes deficit doesn't four on your second try. You came you one so you went into as a trial the first year and then you went on one at the second year. Yes Bob Years at the time but I want to get better at what I do. An in-depth was a good way to do so. I have very good figure around me that were already training in this way and learning from them in understanding what was required. But that's been a long journey and since then I've been only on the fasttrack of learning learning learning these things now. How competition help you become a better. Somalia in a restaurant. What are the things that competition brings out in you that you bring to the restaurant floor knowledge? Yes okay actually leads me to do competition to rate suddenly for me to give me a reason to keep in my books because many of you may know that if you finish your class and you closer look. Don't open your book ever again. Don't read don't taste. Don't travel well. We won't keep up to date for very long so that was of the reason. I wanted to a motivator. Yeah Yeah told -solutely are you still competing? You've won Canada's best in Cam. Fifth in the world. Are you still going to go back to? Those competitions are the world's or what are your plans right now for competition. It's starting to say okay now. I'm still learning. I'm still single in your books but you do have a book or you co wrote a book with two other authors right. Yes at one shot would ill. You're going to have to translate for this. The anglophone would what is the title in English? Please Brenton's pollyannish design case like the bad grades. Bad Grapes. Okay but in the good way. It's been my second year a writing a book with two colleagues. We started the so little book to keep people up today on. What's new what's good? What's great value wine a little bit about Orange Line wits about natural light right all the trendy right yes so were will writing on trends each and every year but the same time as well wanting to give suggestions on if you're eating a big light spaghetti with meat ball like a couple of sedition fanaticism pizza. You want late chicken you know. We want to keep ferrying as simple as possible. Thunder with the pairing are all about so It's mini chapters. It's very easy to read tickets there. You've let her appetite. What would you suggest with Spaghetti balls? How would you pair that? What would be the tip or trick to remember? Well Italian food Italian wine okay. Regional of each regional is number one in as well. I really tomato sauce. Tomato are just super partners. So when I started burying Think of what. I will drink if I was in that since victims of the world so regional during as well the this under visit the tomatoes dislike something not to miss or Raytheon to your some Orleans than Sano are Brunello Chino. You want to go depends of your budgets. I Have Dickens addition at different price. Okay Fantastic. Do you have a personal favourite wine? I would say that. My favorite varietal. Right now is the. Do L. Y. That Brennan Viola if she knows an elegance on the Madigan like little Buchanan's Beautiful cities on the backbone of the Nebula Anaya to say that and Baldwin Baba's Legion are been legged noodle experiences in still becoming more and more trendy invested difficult does now the prices are going up quickly right and then why would I would say Burgundy Chardonnay Mister Euro like does. Sorry no need to apologize. We've come back again from ABC anything but flipped the other way we're shoddy is cool again especially burgundy that's a cool climate right. I have to say that the many of my master's Fran Religiously I'm really okay with that but there's nothing for me like a Shadley Shabby Ray Burgundy. Mersal lumo Ashtray. Those guys are just in my up. The paper he wants to make me happy. Jessica do of Muso on a freshman DeGeneres GONNA keep this similarly smiling while okay all variations on the theme of Chardonnay Cool Climate Chardonnay. All right so let me just look over here. Tim saying on traveling to France Spring in the Loire Valley and the Champagne region. Just outside of Paris. Have you been there and you have any favorites that you want to share with us? Yes of course Chabane. Of course there's tons of very big in producer wanting to bury the pleasure wanting to visit any. Some bigger champagne house will be important to see the work but one thing as well to focus on some smaller ones. So go with one of the big group from lvmh. Which is you know Louis Hennessy vital. It's it's Clicquot motionless ball and all the biggies. Yeah what's important is in. What's Nice is to understand how they work? And from that many Eli votes. You're something that is elevate. More on a smaller scale but but like bottles cheaper exemple. That is still family. Owned and born some smaller one or yoga can be quite fun or smaller one. I really love our love off. And as a must have been like wine as well those guys are scattered. Okay so small rose. I like to think when you visit the region that you should not orcas only on the small one you a little bit of everything to have a good review of the region. Great answer fantastic. David is here. We had Planeta last night. It was so good. So you're talking about Niro Davel from Sicily. I think Dave do like those lines. As well of Sicily leaves. I would say that's the new trend for Somalian. It's been going on for a little bit more than a year. Now is Aetna Ryan also volcanic soil so niddle Miskelly C main burial for that than Minimus delisi issue Dole new. This variety Kind of combination. It's not the crossing. I'm just saying stylistically. It's a combination between piano. More yellow issue like those Subaru going explore is narrow narrowly miscalculates. Fantastic varietal and that's been my pizza wine Jones. He's align excellent. We're always up for that did you. I'm sure you did watch the documentary psalm. Of course yes. Of course okay obvious. But what was your opinion of that documentary? It's all about by the way if anybody hasn't seen it yet the making of these group of the mostly guys I think. Try to pass. They were all guys too many guys for you but they're all trying to pass the master sommelier exam so it chronicles their studies and their dialogue. And some pass some fail. What was your opinion of that documentary? Was it a good depiction or did you have some criticisms of it? What was your take on that Blake? You see more girls that Yasser for sure yet. There wasn't one woman weser in there was like one that flew there in disappeared question but It was a study group. So it's normal that you know you don't want to include someone that was not there may be to start with which makes sense for the purpose of some movie. What I liked about this movie was people. Understand are difficult and out committed unique to be if you want to make our masters. It's a little bit the Americanized I was working with. I was studying like late at night. Because you're hearing my study. Bible is nist. I Love Nancy. Yup and I am studying most in the morning. I think that you need should be mentally ready immensely rested if you DONC who absorbed information right. Black Guard isn't for everybody. I've been studying would last card. So everybody's different. I was nuts studying a group. At either he'd so sitting as a group can be fun chasing. I've been choosing the people I was facing within. Think we Uday's in diversity. It he wants to succeed at Facing with different people will allow you to get nervous when facing with certain people not playing their game as well. Sometimes she always with the same people you end up knowing what they're buying on time right so you can read deportation thing like what you're saying that they have brought so if you think of facing wanting to step further in your journey as a master similarly faced with different people she basically people you're aware or you don't know like just get in an uncomfortable position because the day of the exam you donald is going to be sitting in front of you have no idea of the wind will be so you have to be like mentally and physically ready for something new so. I love that you say. Get in an uncomfortable position. I think that's when we're learning like just on the other side of fear is a deep-seated learning. So how did you deal with your nerves? When it came to? You could talk about either taking the master similarly exam or one of the competition's like maybe there's a strategy you use for for most of those situations. How do you stay calm and focused a better than that in the last few years in Net That will make the difference in your journey. I sleep a second train physically a move okay. Well it's all basic stuff but if you're not rested in says well visitation meditation. Rock Mitigation. Wow can make a big difference for me with me. The difference is a little bit of all of that so before the exam win for run and I was like just yet this extra energy. That was like here. They down and always always celebrate before going for facing calibrate acidity on okay. Cool climate whites. That's what you're drinking to calibrate your palate to get it right. It's okay that's what made the difference for me and I've tried before I've tried it with beer. I've tried it with different things. I was trying to figure out what was working in what made the difference in my journey definitely was calibration. Ration- allows you to say something you know what it is all about in. Just make sure that your life is understanding. Okay this is highest. Not Cactus is Sarah. This is Chablis This is where the acidity level is. So you are the salvation process. You know where you are so when you get to try your first line you're going to be like ready to go in the calibrations that they're working for you yeah that's like when Musician start by getting in tune with the note as I go. I can't sing but they're doing it with the piano so that then we can begin exactly in return. This is is the the best way if eventually you're starting with a first wine and you did not calibrate a new starting with the one that is fairly low in acidity. They're gonNA wonder like. Oh where am I in this data than if you start with the wrong product on one everything late? You're going to mess with the following one so knowing where you are with with the first one. You're stepping on On drinking side. This is Mrs so you're GonNa have the full delegation of your product number one before you get the blind based on your first line. You know I did that with. I had a Coffee Cup for the thing with the domestic Master exam was my number six nine six six times. Fine you're determined yes I knew I was resetting if I was not having a safe thing. You're not going to go back if you didn't pass on the time and respect I was going back to square one and I had already Lake Erie in service that I got one to compete. That one was day. didn't drive. Their pressure was here and I was like okay so in a Coffee Cup Saas Air Okay. Because I didn't know how much time it would wait before they come and get me shirks getting this outside my Coffee Cup thing in waiting for my name to be called and I was very derived Elise these join me so I was with away and left with the the sunset in my mouth This is like a liberation in them. I'm GONNA arrive in three minutes in stike. Might be right and it worked and agigea say it's an exceptionally low pass rate. Six Times is not uncommon. I've heard for the master wine. The other program. It's ten percent. I think it's that lower somewhere around there for the master sommelier. These are really really hard exams. It takes years to finally pass and prepare for. So you know one thing. I was going to ask you lease. Is that in some enduro competitions where I've seen you compete. The way you talk about. The wine in front of the judges is very specific. It's not like I'm getting some apple. Whatever it's boom boom boom boom this rapid fire. Can you give us a sample of? You've got wind there. But can you give us a sample of how you would talk about a wine competition for the master similarity? There's a grid that is expected to follow a want to get this master. Somalia tidal follow a grid not knowing the grid. It's risky for disaster for the future of Your Red Pin. So as you go for competition for Bisa Canada of the world or so on you do need to speak a little bit less technically in a little bit more into something where you're going to do a person like Nouvelle we should have. Domestic Is them very rigid way. Because I won't you as a judge to be able to understand if I understand the wine. So that's why we're talking medium. Needham was high because high is high. It's not like Oh there's a lot of acidity while love of unity is a much more precise. Yes very precise. In the way you taste for the master simply as when you get them to want to be a little bit more the way you're gonNA speak with a three-set visual affect Dory in taste of course then you get erectus up in initial conclusion in bring the baby home for Of what you think it is. Yes yes it is. I'm drinking cobra from a southern French wine from warm region Chateau last last estimates one began working on a paper on phone. Do Goes as phone new like Chinese New Year Flake yet. You don't you want to read that point. A teutonic won't drop something that scenario with a phrase noun filth. Yup and that's GonNa be going with different types of foods so for me calm. Yadda Was the way to go up dry. Last week. I really liked. It could be a good fit Vermont from do this. You're gonNA cycle the color and division of the others will be based on color itself than entity of it and just maybe pretend you're in either competition for master similarly. How would you like? Tell us if we were the the judges so evolution of with bake from this wine would be like I on the visual the abol color with a very small pinkish Rim New presence of gas or sediment medium nosing. The glass than. You'RE GONNA go on the nose. In and do the animation so knows is cleaned there's no fault with abject before it's mediamatic with. Aromas of let's of black fruit and fruit is is quite It's slightly Jimmy. As well for more on just of diapers invite Bradberry cow. Would you have a little bit of on Benign well spices Nicholas in. It's all the baking spices nutmeg and some checkout but on the on the other side to drive a little bit of force Florence Well. That is quite quite interesting. Bring out with a debt and we'll get the Janice that's On it you feel it with the baking spices on the ballot amazing vocabulary. You have as much as I can. Share this for you to loosen what I'm drinking scrapped. The idea they think always put yourself in the idea that if you have someone in front of you side to describe as precisely as you can smell what you face right like if they were trying this one so on the ballot. The one is drying. It's medium buddy determines our our medium. But they're still keith on a very fine. Very refining grainy slightly grainy Tannin's you do have this medium plus there's become the east coming to from this this wine. It's a Now she's Oh Onda heating you on the cheek. That's just slightly high for me. The temperatures starting to warm up the seller a couple of minutes ago K. TERRIFIC. Wow and how did you develop that wide vocabulary? You're using just practice or views event in a are you spelling vegetables and fruits or is a combination of things luck as being a different smell all the time each and every day so yes it to I was already always very curious everywhere when I was young my I was in the garden with my grandma was cooking with her. A my mom was working a lot as well so this develops aloft near your sensitivity to Aromas but notice that there's so many lake For you to spell as on a daily basis but make sure that you can relate to some terms that people will be able to find as well. What I'm saying is if it smells like your must cupboard while you're only one that knows your Ramos Cupboard. Smell side right so you want to use terms that people will understand. Oh late it's dried raisins like this. Little Sun made bucks so no like if you think of a specific smell. Use like romantic Able to relate to that super orden. Ds Specific as possible as well. It's all things that you develop with experience. That's great advice. Elise Tim says is their region that produces wine that deserves a higher profile here in Canada. In Your Opinion Elise Principally County okay. I'll agree with you on that for sure. Yeah I've been bad beautiful welcoming from there I would say that mining number one right. Now it's still a small region but there is some key producer there that will and making a difference definitely Doctor when Beds to in spring two. You know it's your more Natural Experimental Wind There's tons of great people working from South Brook if you Explore there orange. Orange is so good from an sperling. All my goodness on is is is just amazing. She's great so there's I think so many regions that are right now. Starting to emerge but as low key producer. I'm thinking of Benjamin Bridge Nova Special. Yes yeah that is doing fabulous sparkling wines. So there's a little bit of everything right now. Dr. It's baby. Yeah absolutely still in the beginning stages. Thank you for that comment Alan. I'm glad you're enjoying the conversation Dave had what would be the most overrated French. I growth in your opinion. That's a pointed question This growth There are some faith in second and third that would deserve to be higher a good way to put it reverse this question. Yes you know such as low mazing to Sean calebs Should be there. They're touching perfection right now and some producer. I'm thinking. There are not qualified sustainable malaria so subtly should be part of Lake. What's Rathan amazing right now? So so there's nothing everything. Dot Com now Ganges amazing for the price as well. So I don't want you lured. Some of them want to push up some other. I think it's it's a better way to do things absolutely very diplomatic to lease. So is there any need for Assam to know wines? From small regions that do not have wide distribution? For example. Bbc produces excellent wines but in very small quantities with little availability outside the province. I think what's important is is to put in context. The we work for or web in which restaurant you are. Grab some if as my need in. If I'm working in a restaurant is who understand like what is. My point is all about so learning resentful. Most what's important for a clientele in curious but if there's no distribution into need to study for competition yes you need to know those things in particularly if you're waiting to become best genita- and the wing everything inside the from from the country's GonNa be important but after that I was leading working in their restaurant so my main focus has been on a giant wine because I wanted to be like I infamous comfortable with the most important Arkham my winus Christ Making sure you focus on the right thing in regard of you know if your sales rep while wasn't you portfolio? What's important to know in your portfolio? And when you get to master what you need to know from on your day to day job then you can start exploring and things that could be interesting for you in the near future for Or four Asian. Or for whatever you will your interest is in right could point so just a few last quick questions as we sort of. Wrap up our discussion. I could go on for hours here. Elise you are truly an encyclopedia but not in the dry sense in a very interesting sets. What is the best piece of wine advice that you've ever received Ombo? Humility is number. One in our industry occurred. I think that you were giving recommendation be kind be curious my role as a similarity is to take care of people. It's to show my knowledge another to show mice. I'm there to take care of people. And he says number one people remember you as somebody or as or as a sale rep or whatever you're doing in the industry it will remember you for your kindness attentive to their needs because when you found a couple of hundred dollar in a restaurant well it may be something that is important that you've been saving for a long time for that experience writing with someone and you want this to be special. You want people to recognize that this moment is showing its US. Similarly that will make the difference and don't forget that it's teamwork so they're asking you for water read or whatever else as Is Always yes. Tried to make sure that they're going to be happy when they believe this. The good word and that's your cheapest revising in the industry keeping lefty number one. Love that answer. If you could share a bottle of wine with anyone living or dead who would that be and why it's a question I'm throwing you. I was a big fan of Jancis Robinson. Okay and she's still living by the way you said was a well because I only met her yet. Oh so my I my. My drinking drew okay on solar this. I was like okay so yeah who knows. I didn't want to show a rupiah was but would be curious to meet some key people. Michelle Obama with lights rather gusty Michelle Obama. Why Michelle Obama? I love that choice. Why her I think she's a very inspiring woman. It's someone that I believe will in loath. I make some very important difference off leash. She does already for kids ends with Comedian or dedication game Contagious so Just to chat about like everything and nothing at the same time but number one. I would like to Abba glass of wine with my grandma away a few years ago and she's been the reason why I've been in industry. She gave me curiosity an pleasure of hero sharing at food at the table. If I if I had the chance I would say like I would ever back for One Nights. I would love that so wonderful. Wow the lease you know. We're going to wrap it up with you here on that note. Thank you so much for spending your time with us. Just they love this conversation. Loved your answers in your approach. It's refreshing and charming and kind so we will say goodbye for now. Because I know you've got an article to write and thank you and hope that you got ta with a of inspiration to drink but bring better absolutely well put okay daycare lease buy. Well there you have it. I hope you enjoyed this chat with elise them. They're here my takeaways number one. I admire Elisa's unquenchable curiosity pushing her desk up to a teacher's desk and asking quote millions of questions. She's always I love this phrase in the books learning tasting and traveling. And that's great advice for us to wine drinkers when we have a thirst to learn number two. She shares great pairing tips such as regional matches with tomato sauce and Sanjiva say as well as the enticing freshness of Aetna wines made on the southern Italian island of Sicily especially those made from the norelco Moscow lazy grape number. Three Elise has a great tip about calibrating your palate before you taste wine with a high acidity cool climate white wine and then you can benchmark everything you taste after that against it. This is especially helpful for those doing blind tastings. Since you start with a wine you know you can see the label and then you can make more educated guesses about wines where their identity is massed. I compared this to musicians warming up before a show to see if they're in the right key but yes. Don't ask me to sing number four. I marveled at how dedicated elise was to those competitions. From the constant study to meditation. Yoga and running just be in the right mindset and have the right energy in the right place. I'd say she's an Olympic caliber wine athlete and finally number five. Elise has some wise advice for any business caring for people and keeping them happy. Is that cheapest advertising in the industry though. Remember you and come back. And they'll tell their friends. If you like this episode. Please tell a friend about it. Especially one who's interested in the fascinating wine tips elite shared. You'll find links to her website. Social media handles the video version of this conversation where you can find us on facebook. Live video every second Wednesday at seven PM. All of those links are in the show notes and Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash sixty seven. Finally if you want to connect with me personally join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. You don't WanNa miss next week. When we'll be chatting with celebrity chef? Vikram vage the author of numerous bestselling cookbooks. 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75: Niagara Vine Laureate Klaus Reif: Ontario Wine's Future

Unreserved Wine Talk

41:50 min | 3 months ago

75: Niagara Vine Laureate Klaus Reif: Ontario Wine's Future

"Good wine is Mike the Amish. They always like the recent snow. You have an amazing piano. You may seem will clear. Unusually warm like through the lines. No we all elements saying hominy. That's a great analogy club. Because even if they're in tune but if the piano is dominating the whole orchestra it's not as beautiful as it could be with all the elements in harmony. And you. Don't go out that trombone again. Everything has to work together. So that there's this greater sense of the whole who the piece of music or the wine then you get with just a solo instrument. I like that you have to learn about line. D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean. An each week I share with you. Unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass me that bottle please. Let's get started. Welcome to episode seventy five in this episode of unreserved wine. Talk podcasts were chatting with the visionary kloss grief of Rif vineyards in Niagara on the lake. Who Comes from twelve generations of winemaking? He grew up on a family vineyard in Germany. But in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. He visited his uncle. Ewald who had started a winery in Niagara on the lake. Ontario clause loved the region and so after completing -nology studies at several respected institutions. He returned in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty seven to take over the winemaking at his uncle's winery. In nineteen eighty nine winemaker. Roberto Dimona Co joined. Him and clause is now president of the winery though he stays very active in the winemaking. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video show a couple of years ago so keep that in mind as the context for clauses comments. Also you'll occasionally hear me respond to viewer questions. You can be part of that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern including the evening. If you're listening to this podcast on the dates published and in fact will be pairing. Niagara on the Lake Wines. Like rive swift delicious dishes so please join us. I'm recording this intro on April twenty eighth and we're still in lockdown due to the corona virus during this time I encourage you to support your local wineries wherever you live. Especially since they're tasting rooms are now closed cutting off a major source of their sales since the majority of wineries don't produce enough wine to get listed in the big liquor store chains. I'll put a link where you can find a list of Ontario wineries offering home delivery including rife in the show notes as well as links to rife winery. The whites we tasted a full transcript of our conversation. And the video version of this chat at Natalie Maclean. Dot Com forward slash. Seventy five if you want to discover great wines like those. I taste with close today. Please sign up for my free online video. Wine class called the five wine and food pairing mistakes. That can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and. She's a time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you there. Okay on with the show. Our guest has experienced thirty one vintages in Niagara. He has seen so much. Through these decades. In terms of how the Ontario wine industry has changed through his own winery and kind of a vision for where Ontario in Canada more. Broadly is going in terms of the wind industry. So I think it's really appropriate that we chat with him. What's really special as well. Is that our guests. Winery was named Canadian. Winery of the year by the most prestigious wine competition in the world. It's the international wine and spirits competition that held in London England every year. So we're GONNA talk to him about that and whole bunch of other things. His name is close and he joins me live now from Niagara. Hello close entity how are you? I'm great thank you. So much for joining us here. Buckling all right. Let's jump into this now. You have had such a long history rich history in Niagara. Maybe to put things in context you kind of see things in terms of the four periods or stages of winemaking it Ontario. How would you characterize those Monday? Only my personal opinion. Yes no for aged by my eyes phases. I would say problem. One must base Neva. In was including all the cars gone through Rondo and as an icon industry like on Voss Ingraham Monger deebo Migas Vines office and winemakers since he started the winery because who saw and feeds Lewis me. There was a beginning phase number. One the pioneers. Then I mean if he was a pain so you make good wines started wining then bid as number two the finally they then not open Fifi Mak- they're more open by Fema who saw a business opportunity and you hired or wind radio. Those heaters beats number two surveys. I talk all of a sudden in nightclub or in carrying in the old days embroideries was now to when. I'm hey I want ever line face came in Beijing will be lying people getting on wineries because wine and divinity. Meanwhile you always exciting. We do like very much is a force. Auditees me all over everything for the few as young once again sometimes on into the wines you know young people in and passionate wine me and growing bigger rating unlock young people. You know into when through and people I know and to do once again. Miss wasn't money. Just because they're locked wine of the best one and I love to see the coolest face fading the Browder. Some great way to sounded up close. And what do you think? The young people are doing in terms of changing the wine industry with their influence. Are they coming from stoppages? From around the world like work terms from around the world and bringing in that kind of perspective they do locally Logan Boys and girls may cause them. There's an to ruin state of experiences from even blankly regions. They come into brings a whole new idea. Somebody is amazing. Froyo same team in ice. I was young and all we did on mistakes. And this lines and other who doesn't seem to be east and what we had an goes by now from Tijuana suggested even live on your wine but goofy and nobody wanted to think until you long. They need that emerge but now the agency which media who bring you absolutely beverly's asking. Is that a German accent. Confirm that yes. I saw the lost my accent because I didn't do so spit them positive in ESPN wineries and the Exit Lewis Downwind. But you see being beautiful. Maybe she another story with us. You are at the Ottawa wine. Shell and something happened to that. You described as a game changer. It was a game oke outright or your wife get ninety seven and on sending zero wines. I think she'd tell I'm convince house. Nothing still aligned and the EBA wealth in and walked off. Okinawa joins to the movie. I gave him the name and one and rain phone. Just love you and lost excellent screen. I didn't need to know can eaten and what I don't believe it. I Never Evergreen Onterio line. Because they're so bad between me and I'm so happy to listen. Xy He's not. The product is naked. One Yeah I remember section. Yeah then absolutely musical change. No I mean come on years ago when I had five cosma regions do I thought we. We are rocking. You know no. We will come to any basis of beyond the thousand people. Oh Wow three hundred thousand. People visit the Niagara Wine region every year. Now Molly wildly. Your winery just your winery. Three hundred thousand people are these amazing. Oh my gosh I know sick. Even begging Obama came from baby are now. I mean what it means can can grow even in my wideness screams. I think not imagine no the come off in relative remember Uber to wind wind countries new rules to four hundred thousand years wind process on the marketing side. I mean you cheap to listen news. That's fantastic well. And so at the winery when they visit. Rife you have at the winery of food and cheese tastings and different things. I mean people can certainly go into the tasting room but what else is in there that they can do. You're right I mean you. Calm be has a regurgitation born to Franz percentage. We'd take back they can Beijing. Stephen meads winds even keenest talk this mind and see into tasting the onto the database winery guys cool for me and expect them to our location and enjoy the odds heffernan summertime in ugly kitchen. There will be a little remade. The officers and other food items and down doesn't mine and ensuring before. Spf but also what is for me and who knew everyone who comes through Walker Baby. Some naughty lowest was one of my things. I WanNa have the WHO come accustomed to come wine me on something. I wouldn't about eight undergoing something today and oh please come back because the one if the wind awesome all right now we talked about that. You've got that with you do how do you say via via the okay? Did you say Latin is that more? It's eleven walkway point. Yeah it is it a spirit or what is it? Technically usually true to radio okay and just stays on the company so y'all can't and the longest time call chains of the terrorism in years not cocktail dot again so kind of you know. I mean this was planned for twenty years. I Made Twenty years ago. This one and I got kind of things in my life or started three years ago again to look on it and we trust these about it. So it's a great based liqueur and just thought we would have some fun apart from the usual wine tasting of making a special cocktail. So we go to make that. What do you put into this can be sprayed sweeping across mobile? Be Neo what I I got to hold on the fucking mind. Okay sparkling wines so instead care rail or Baena royal instead sees the Cabernet based cure. Let's see how this goes all owners it facing a bit. You're kidding cool as a cucumber there on another worry. Nobody's GONNA use it not now. It's all good including the office can so you're pouring in the sparkling wine? I you're Dr Bass. Sparkling wine were fortified around five ounces. Okay actually swamp is a problem boss mind. So now you're putting in how much of the evening about an ounce. Okay we got Buster right amount lovely and then. My party is even if you don't have to bother no yeah can Up to eighty two weeks off group on Nichols fifteen years. Oh Nice fifty bucks okay. So like more support levies. Yeah and if he is a infringing on high-quality branding the base being some over to company. So me all tests and mice. Yeah that there's Dark varies garnish it. With a strawberry or saying foreparts bubbly one part Vanilla. And then you're good to go. I mean it's like your red white and boots. I guess I know you're going to get him on the head to but Elliot's not yet do you know when it's coming out. The education in overtime you think was seventy six ago was brand new random in maybe spring next do sell it directly from the winery use okay. Their problem solved give some restaurants reviews. It already okay. Respects this bull regions. Actually I would voice. Oh really add China. That's eight. Eighty Babu's holy smokes. That's federal. Yeah wow well read so lucky color. I think to the Chinese I think are very good consumers of rice wine right. Yeah what if you now we the product? He loves the ICE Finder. So this has got to be a hit especially the nice color the beautiful ruby tones in absolute. Like you said Redden Go. Is You know the color for to go with. Yes very nice. It gives a luxurious feel to it. So that's the vanilla but I also have the recent here that won the international wine and spirits competition trophy for Canadian wine producer of the year. Like this is the Oscars of the wine world in terms of competitions and in the most recent one you were named Canadian wine producer of the year. That's pretty amazing. The mind belong leading wind realty of the People's on X. Vile of is mine. Fantastic will be released. One best seafood mind busy new rules allies line and over the line one very proud mazing events. Legit and Monday's London is on the in college events We had abodes dinner table and Imagery Julia. My life is from nonconcern was from from London. My Law sister-in-law food is all black tie to Oscar. Yes yeah I was thinking and it's awesome when Canadian wines get this international recognition from competition that have existed for years and years and years. I mean it's just now. He is a great acknowledgement. Of what you've done so let's taste what you've done here now. I know you were the winemaker for many years and you still participate actively in the winemaking process. But you've also got a full time winemaker on board. What's his name? Names Roberto Domenico. Okay is your bedroom is a visit awesome? Sudanese eighty seven. Okay Wow I hired Roberto. Gruden aid became came back to report on off in eighty nine and so far up as buggy online me and made me if you could be out on and tasks on the company either the obstacle Berto. Wow that's amazing yeah. You have a lot of long-term relationships clause that speak well to your leadership because Andrea Kaiser also works with you and her father was Carl Kaiser. She's been there a long time. I think at the receive team. That's fantastic that really is attributed. This reasoning is the bomb. I must say is beautiful. You might go line by then. Yeah my opportunity to wind keeping sometimes you know come down as you will Michael Dewine a pseudo see so every and yet It is a right. It's just not too much absolutely after speed out of is this is my life better than the harmony line like make like August. You have an amazing piano. Pierre giving amazing or the conqueror I'll tune I'm calling right with like home reminds no elements saying hominy. Yeah that's a great analogy close. Because even if they're in tune but if the piano is dominating the whole orchestra it's not as beautiful as it could be with all the elements in harmony. And you don't go. Oh there's that trombone again. I mean everything has to work together so that there's a greater sense of the whole who the piece of music or the wine then you would get with just a solo instrument. I like that the families you know for many years you know something needs to be old you under of other components from point a much less no ever liked me need because e believe is the NBA absolutely so. Let's talk about Ontario Wines? More generally than close. Where do you see the industry going say in the next five years? What are the obey the important new developments that will be seeing? I believe I mentioned the boy knows the space. What your life now. Real young people coming in going to bring the newly aligned going to bring you new ideas new concepts and you're gonNA hear in a seeking one and the next fine Alex reecey wholesome teen an and it was more on the Interior Lines. Baotou a wine in Oakland on letting at Alliance and old safety to confusion in the out. Tuna Christmas is is fine seam from were and what do you think might be the greatest challenges or threats to the Ontario wine industry? What is it that I don't know could be on the horizon? That kind of as a group have to work together to solve a new. You know until you so. We don't know what's going happen. Its own civil which I'm GONNA ask more lines in goes. We are going to have more lines in corner stores. I'm GONNA depend to afford it because you who play lines in these kind of violence. Melissa Lewis Pause for now you're going to end mine and so it is nothing you know. He s material but do the high end would do those one auto but in my beach going down the road. There's all by you see the lines but ended up to dominate relations. Nothing in do as a morning. I don't see a big threat. Somehow I going to be a frequently man. Come to an end. Who knows what you know? I don't think it's going to be in the industry. Be Getting more in in the lines by exploiting Gorski along being order was you're more than the online now reading gang. See Right now. A Matrix spreads throwing this big thing. Suddenly everybody knows me knows that. I'm of Louis case near your. Are you sound very optimistic of you? Then I mean you probably are aware that the Canadian Bidders Association has just started their campaign to free my grapes. What's your feeling on that? And that specifically for anybody who is not aware is a new campaign so that as Canadians we should be able to buy Canadian wines from any province right now. We are limited due to interprovincial trade barriers. Are you supportive of their campaign? So that any Canadian could buy your winds across the country. Obviously UNASSUMING HIMSELF. Forty literally though. But I'll defer regional movement afoot one country Canadian. Okay you need to be accent but I am Canadian. Provinces country onto you know some mostly exit excess one and just at just want an the like via separate entities. I founded fixing. Which is you know they cannot bind to a given bruins helped Muslim see from other provinces oversee. It'd be a line after they know Louis. Well I mean you kind of know being one country and one way. Thanks you know. It's kind of disappointing. But the government exceed ruled that between have a freak wait a now up to provinces into you see now these be valuable okay. It must surely come because nine out of ten Canadians. I'm told by the Canadian. Vintners association support free trade within our own country for our own wines and you know it's the highest agricultural value add product. We make so that means it adds so much to the economy. You know in terms of profits spinoff jobs and everything and for me like. I think about a dinner party. What's the only agricultural product that I put on my table? That still has the label on it. It's not the beef. It's not the potatoes. It's the wine you know putting a bottle on its value. Add that it just is crazy not to be to order and ship different lines and on imported mind grades about one economic impact might be the only one only be in Ontario and domestic like the recent said is producing a twitter speaking. I'll album by twelve times. The economic value quite yes. It's quite amazing. You'll you guys get into boats. Afam community or something. Allah engaged not neabry every yup absolutely the spinoff industries. I mean I love that. The Niagara Region and other regions from BBC picked into Scotia everywhere even the eastern townships in Quebec. And so on. They have all of these other things that are going on like restaurants and ends and the gas through tourism. It really promotes all of that. And of course there's the go local movement now but also like you know when we buy local word making our environmental footprint smaller. I mean there's not as much shipping going on so many reasons monster what call would reach all genera equal back now because you mentioned you started to one years ago. There was no supplier. Offered hangs of palms with men. I mean everything beyond outs. Hungry comes didn't have college has an Amazing Program. Lewis even probably program so he did along the way we need to go to country but now we have a local college and your cheeks young people into an e plumbing all just goes hand in hand absolutely so I would love to know from your experience personally. Kind of what's been your favorite moment in your career. So far like what has been the moment that stood out for you that it's memorable. I think for me going back one of my most memorable moments again. You mentioned one award in seventeen. I don't mention it love you. The to and intolerance had developed again. Five hundred feet before fourteen and to chose of ICEWIND as a desert. Mind me and even they still and analyst doesn't remember when one Rosen. I didn't know anyone in small guy until your you know. And then you know to be honest on. The southern difference booed off tourists and Indians. What is your is mine. Combination reason why nobody hugs and dogging. Oh wow I mean it's fantastic. I mean think about it you know in a small community. I linked on sale. And I'll be no I'm on your was obviously not did. I approached him often boats one he put me relations. I mean does movement you tuna getting one of those moments. You've changed your file. I used to be. Who would who I wouldn't. That's great. Well he's such a pioneer and a leader and of course he's passed away but that you will remember that forever. I'm sure member station. So if you could have a bottle of wine costs with anyone living or dead apart from relatives who would that be? Who would you love to share a wide and Kinda kills who it is and maybe why you believe is my Second he takes him my cost enough cost so I would love to have fema into one one woman. They know that all this could be snowing on. I know save me retire last time rate like because he thinks this means old age for those memories because leasing us. I didn't trust we need like often. You know and ski. How we eat is I mean. He's thinking of his mind but you must be Buddhist. Both some might be food wiping in the form of lines. Also his about his life out changed his life and how we end up. I WANNA be on okay. There we go now. We know well. He certainly was into food. Somehow because he had newman's dressing I mean he's still dressing but what's your favorite car. Would that your own or that. You'd like to own A. They recalled now. I own excuse I would say it's a nineteen seventy seven tax. Who as these data N- that's going knows? Pat's and then moved. There's another call San Okay and I keep my favorite call. I don't drive with marketers. And he's raising creating Ingram as in. 'cause sounds awesome by all means no more than technology is or no USB notre two's nose up things but I just love to design lines and seventy seven. Oh my goodness that's lovely. Oh Laurie Kilmartin from Ottawa's asking what is his favorite wine and food. Pairing favourite or weirdest. Whatever you WanNa tell us number for me feeling menial con sauce. Yes and most companies don't know we'LL COMPANY. Samyong is a beating Magnon Console. Age either makes on an offer to that sounds great. Do you have something that you loved pair with the recently or do you just like the reasoning on. Its own no reason own but you know what moves would. You're keeping Lloyd even in light of Pasta Red Pasta. I need to need like avid. Be Good Traditional Kathy says caused. You have a favorite wine. Well you said the recent might go to them by like the like the Cup saw in marriage equally right on the right side okay. Another who is moved salmon and his wife some cream cheese most fam- and suddenly research netted the buttery. Another one of my favorite Christmas. Look next nice so just a couple questions because the time is going quickly here clause when advice. Would you give to your thirty year old self if you could look back and advise yourself? What piece of advice would you give to business? I One more smog. I was too concentrated on wine-making expected category the kind of stuff because he knows America. A mortgaging indicates New Villa. Marketing was only agree. Minor side. Those in my face and is being more important essential. Yeah so I would say war. Demography is on the be intruding. His own metal. Saudi Hiba to make sure that was or from your head coaching. Your mom now are we from me. on on side. Who you've sent the message out there. I all kind of believed in you. Don't make good wines not become right. You just find you if they will come out now. In company pool used to an extent right. Google is nobody wants. You have a Hawes. Who knew puberty from the wine redoing? Your Mom's missing. This is so the tech industry where I was for a number of years caused like the tech guys and gals get so caught up in just perfectly gear and it's GonNa go viral. It's going to sell itself. It's like not so much. Yeah Yeah so yeah a lot of good wisdom there and do you have a favorite wine gadget that you like to use or you can have a cool every UC. It's mind reading an aerator okay. It's making an end mob. It is for young warns did honestly and wine so many thinking so. Clean your in a middle. Let's the the Rhine agent bud through screen year and over. Nothing much more of really big fan of everyday moods important fooling them. Okay I yes go your some people believe every that lights up the old-line who did sometimes reading for right they apart with that amount of spicer. Yeah absolutely no long. All wind biggest before lines in the olden in ninety fifty two in law in exhaustion always teases Jason. Who wish us? Thousands are data on five minutes. Have Be Handa. Ratings is run by I would be only truly relates. Align doesn't you don't be over anxious to use angus owned aligns book. Everything is believable line. Will you and Me Line Known Andrew? It that's great advice and I'll just circle back to the marketing theme here because Mike Welling has asked are Niagara winemakers more competitors or compatriots. Do Lean one way or the other. Actually their mobile rafer young friends beaver and inconsistent. We on things other than log race end of the day. You WanNa the two together. We didn't reach L. Uncle which is acceptance interior wine all over the rule special JEREM and you'd be fide or competing each other. You're still a relatively small region in the grand scheme of things of world wine so if you don't work together I mean you just don't have is larger voice and the rising tide lifts all the boats. I imagine being Vitamin Ontario. We have about ten thousand emails on -Tario even known as Heiner Wind Week. One of the best thing about how the does which is that has gone through many Germany. Okay we have so. We have ten percent of what Germany had no who brand a median. Excess Oh my gosh yeah. Golden Spain one point for meeting US reading insane on the your thoughts on laws right. See how to band together. Yes the unknown. All of us can go out Zanele filial a heath a lot of corresponding each of and condiment. Panelists menu is back then because he still the law is one and he will in no. Oh my God. Nevada coming from Moss. No instantaneous lead. I go back to and was he icewind. Aw can adopt another TB. Recognize the ice. And we didn't I mean again to Navy's now and to be proud of antedates and ice wine. He's known Easter Pan. As when you walk on the woman testing yeah absolutely so close. Where can we find you and your wind online? Probably the website I would imagine. You don't WanNa just share that with us. I mean voted the Roy Binary. Reo Gap and the NC L. events wine. He's in all lines. Long Unions aerial. Yes okay there you go yes. Change that folks. I WanNa Lincoln for the edition. That's going around to get rid of the interprovincial trade barriers but close. I WanNa thank you so much. This is terrific great insights. Thank you for sharing those with us. Andrew Great Wines. We really appreciate the thing whether the almost a blessing so good luck with everything and we'll chat again there you have it. I hope you enjoy this. Chat with cost rife here. Are My takeaways number one. I love clauses musical metaphor for wine. How it should be like an orchestra with all the instruments are components in harmony oak acid tannin alcohol and fruit all should play nicely together number two. He brings such a deep connection history to his vision for Niagara on the Lake Ontario and Canada. When it comes to wine I think as the human equivalent of old vines in his accumulated experience and just to clarify not that he's old and grey like old fines number. Three clause underscores the importance in economic impact of supporting local wine for instance every bottle of Ontario White purchased ads twelve dollars of economic impact to the economy versus just one dollar for imported wines number four despite the international accolades the Revolution in quality and the extreme upward growth and trajectory of the interior wine industry. It's incredible to realize. Just how boutique and our teased. It remains with just roughly ten thousand hectares of vines planted. That's just ten percent of Germany with one hundred thousand Hector's one percent of France with one million actors and less than half a percent of Spain with its two point five million hectares and finally I love clauses optimism for the future he embraces the ideas and innovation that young people are bringing into the industry and yet informs that with his own grounded wisdom for the region. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it especially one who's interested in the fascinating wind? Tips that clause shared you'll find links to rice winery website. The winds we tasted a full transcript of our conversation. The video version of this chat and where you can find us on. Facebook live every second Wednesday at seven PM EASTERN AT NATALIE MACLEAN DOT COM FORWARD SLASH. Seventy five and again. If you're listening to this podcast on the days published. Join US this evening. Finally if you want to connect with me personally join me and a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. You won't want to miss next week. When we'll be chatting with Victoria? James the author of two books her most recent a gripping memoir called wind girl which has been on the national bestseller list for four weeks. She's also the youngest person in the world to pass the certified Sommelier exam with the Court of Master Sommeliers at just twenty one and she's worked in Michelin Star restaurants. Ever since today. She's partner and beverage. Director at New York City's coat. Korean steakhouse restaurant. Her journey to the stellar position however was a difficult one as the subtitle of her book. Alludes to the obstacles humiliations and triumphs of a young sommelier. Fortunately there's a happy ending. She joins me from her home in New York City next week. Thank you for taking the time to join me here. I hope something great is in your glass this week. 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Shrine Bell Story Time - Popcorn-Eating Squirrels Chapter 30

Inspiring Adventure by Vertebrate Publishing

05:36 min | 3 months ago

Shrine Bell Story Time - Popcorn-Eating Squirrels Chapter 30

"Welcome to shrine bell story time. This is our final chapter of popcorn. Eating squirrels of the World Unite. I do hope he really enjoyed listening for the last thirty chapters. If you'd like to order pokorny eating squirrels of the world unite for its follow-up Popcorn. Eating squirrels going nuts on Everest head over to be Hyphen Publishing Dot K. Dot U. K. This thirty percent discount on all books on our website and there are also book. Bundles deals which includes coordinating squirrels by Matt Dickinson Chapter Thirty Sweet ponting's unto New Beginnings. You'd better go hi. Cathy told the children. Thanks for all your help. Is being coup? Cameron said with a smile. Can we take the squirrels laughed out loud? The get it Powell salty said. It's the quiet life from now on. Jasmine Cameron said goodbye and ran off. The squirrels walked to the edge of the park. Popcorn squishing soggily beneath their feet. They stopped by the road. Well Casey said next can stay off the PUCK. He stuffed a pool full of popcorn into his mouth. Then spotted back out with a disgusted expression. Cookie he said really slimy you lorraine is ruined already. Cassie said you don't know any more cinemas do you then Salty salty laughed. That's exactly what I was thinking. Young lady we need fresh popcorn. And that's why that booster is a site for so rise. Salty pointed ahead to a brightly lit advertising billboard on it was a giant glamorous cruise ship sailing into a setting sun. The advocate said Esmerelda cruise lines invites you to join us on the inaugural round the world voyage of the brand new ESMERELDA EXOTICA three swimming pools. Climbing will six screen. Multiplex Cinema. That's the ship. Fandango spoke about salty. Said he said he didn't Stall Papa. Matic three thousand onboard salty climbed up the billboard followed by the episode's perched on the top. They had a good view of the city. Then in the distance poking above the skyline was a gleaming white ship Alfie exclaimed whole multiplex salty said six screens hundreds of kids on board. Can you imagine how much dropped popcorn that will be with six screens? Why what's that smell? Ben said the squirrels raise that heads sniffing the air as a glorious aroma wafted across the city the sweetness cassie cried. They testing the Papa. Matic free they will send soltys eyes gleamed ready for the first voyage he rubbed his tummy. I think we've just found on you. A Ben said. Can you get us there salty? Oh I said do you believe I can lose? It could be a launching at any minute. Firework best into the sky above the cruise ship. Cassie Tan Dependent Alfie. We might never see the puck again. She said that you know that. Don't you it's okay. Ben Said slowly. It's time for new adventures. Maybe we'll even make that's idea I had come true Cassiano one day. We'll get a machine veyron so we can make puck for. All the hungry Scrolls Alfie exclaimed. Fresh Popcorn for free one come on salty called. Let's go Alfie Ben. Cassie took a last. Lingering look at the park then. They scampered down the billboard on followed salty into the night the end. Thank you so much for listening to popcorn eating squirrels with the world unite. We hope you enjoyed all of the chapters. Don't forget to tell us your favorite parts by emailing me at all eight eight at V. Hyphen Publishing Dot Chi brought to you by shrine bell and bits break publishing.

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E30- COVID-19 and the paranormal world.

Military Paranormal Investigations Podcast

1:34:19 hr | 4 months ago

E30- COVID-19 and the paranormal world.

"I don't know if you guys have seen on the news. How they're digging up property New York somewhere. I don't remember where the location was But they're burying hundreds of people in this mass grave people that can't afford in. La Be homeless. Yeah so you know just like we've talked about or with the battlefields. In those. Those kinds of things were peopled. People die in. That energy is absorbed into the ground. Could increase it. I believe it could I really do. You're listening to NPR paranormal podcast. Where the truth to be found a podcast exploring all things paranormal. Ponting's you really really the unknown. I believe in the skeptical of Rome bought with an open. Mind just trying to make sense of it all. I want to get back in there trying to figure that out. It is the unknown. I don't really have a say on it right now. 'cause I don't know what the video looks like. Form looking for the evidence was he has a story to me is not really evidence because that's one person's experience my personal beliefs into it but like you said that. I have might skeptical side. They approved another way military. Paranormal investigations is not affiliated to any branch of the military coming to you from North Texas on multiple platforms for maximum range. Here are your hosts members of the team and welcome to military purnell investigations podcast. My Name is rob might and I'm jeff as you guys can tell. We've had some technical difficulties. I don't know what was going on. The skype was Kinda messing up. It looks like we're still dropping couple of frame rates so hopefully this picks up. I don't know we shall see comments. Let us know I am. We were ready to go for an hour before handed as soon as they hit live three minutes before he went down. But I will this. I was watching some laugh things the other day and they were having some issues. I think it's just. The two systems are overloaded. So everything seems to be working if you watching and there's any difficulties. I'm sorry but we will keep trying to push as long as we can. We are doing the audio so if the line doesn't work like he got the audio going right so we'll have it up as all right so as you all know this burst live podcast or MPI is going to be an interesting one because we're going to talk about how the corona virus which everyone is happening to deal with May impact the paranormal world. So before we start that out of you guys been affected by this virus. And what are you doing to Spend your free time. Doing what about a Mike? Well I everybody else. We are in a shelter in place order. I am although I don't consider myself an essential employees. I am in an essential career field right now so I am having to work Which is fortunate for me because there's a lot of other people that are not but my wife is not however and she's a teacher that won't be going back to the end of next year or two the beginning of next year. So it's GonNa be quite interesting on see how all this plays out. It's just kind of a crazy thing right now. You know. Our biggest thing is in the little town that we're in we. We're only have to drop like fifteen or twenty miles away but our grocery store was like out of everything forever. Which I'm talking. You know we we were. We joked around before because we have all been on our on our Diet Kito diets and I couldn't get meet to stay on the Diet was it was. It was real relatively crazy. So how about you rum? Well me at first. I was supposed to stay home but then I got called him because I am an essential employees so Yeah I've been working but when I'm not working I'm staying here as you can see just doing stuff but Yeah WORKING MOSTLY SWING SHIFT. Still Jeff for me you know. I'm considered a non essential employees. So but I've been teleworking from home Monday through Friday so that's been a little bit of a change or make what I do is Software development computer programming that kind of stuff and it's kind of hard to do it on a small little laptop. I've got it worked out to where I can see everything I need to. And then we're staying indoors Dislike everyone else should be doing. Resist is a parade pretty nasty virus. Yeah it's it's going to be a mess I think that I think it's all going to pull through but it's definitely going to be a mess but before we really started. I wanted to remind everybody that you can find us on our website at www dot military paranormal dot com. Are you can find us on any of the social media platforms facebook instagram twitter against each other and and the thing on that is just. Us military normal. All one word on those. And you'll find us. Did you mention the you did mention instagram rate? He added and then also. I know you guys at asked me to say something before but I have on my personal page out which is undiscovered origins. You can find that on facebook. Everything is undiscovered origins youtube twitter. Facebook twitter is ud origins. But you can find me on any of that stuff. Little different approach trying to take it from a personal side a little more of the adventure in the outdoors type thing more of the vote scripted. Focus so you can find a sterile nat and in brought about this the live streaming platforms live streaming. You got the facebook live both on your page and the MPI page then. We got youtube going. We have mixer. Twitch de live mode crush periscope twitter. So they're out there you all you gotta do is military paranormal and you should be able to find us all right it in and if you wanted to call us you can call us at nine zero or three seven or six seven four or or MPI sage and we'll call you right back you know. One of the things we've been looking for is for you to tell us your story. One of the big focuses that I have is to make them a little less weird So that people will call in. Tell us their stories. That sort of stuff kind little more comfortable with us so if you have a story you WANNA share if you have any type of footage any type of EDP anything like that that you want to share with us. Make sure you send that along. You can also contact at Hod cast at military paranormal dot com and we must also put out our disclaimer. We are not affiliated with any branch of the military Ago Well so the Mike. What are we going to talk about here in this podcast now? Well when I was looking the last couple of weeks as I've been you know sitting here at home whenever we're not getting out or doing anything and it's it's amazing to me. How many how? Much some of our paranormal counterparts are being affected. And I'm not talking about on the personal level that we're all going to get through on this. I mean you know we. We had to reschedule investigations. We had one that we had booked for a while that we were gonna go to all his lockdown. I hit and that kind of stuff to me is trivial in the in the bigger picture of things because it doesn't really affect our pocketbooks or our health or anything like that but what I was more concerned with. I guess is how it's affecting some of the paranormal organizations out there that it's affecting in a negative manner also. We wanted to talk a little bit about how it could affect the cryptic world in terms of bigfoot or something like that yeah go ahead go ahead. I was just GonNa say I you know some of the the people that we follow on different social media sites. We've seen where museums have been had to shut down due to all this. We've been affected because we wanted to A ten day conference it next month down in Huntsville thirty annual southeast Texas bigfoot conference and that was one of the ones they kind of that kind of more concerned me. You know those guys that put those on day put out. They put a lot into it. They're trying they put a lot of effort. They put a lot of money into it. In for instance this one they cancelled it. And you know my concern is and I don't know of these guys in their in their final their final numbers and things like that they had to reserve the entertainment that was coming to reserve the facility. They had to reserve the caterers. They had to buy the t shirts posters by the flyers by all the publications. All of that sort of stuff and you know a lot of these guys like this. They're not able to absorb that cost so much you know. Hopefully they have insurance or some of those types of things but some of that stuff if you were going to attend that that kind of stuff one of the things that I saw on the bigger broader spectrum of things. Most people were like. Hey Chemo money you know have it. Make sure that's what I'm concerned with. You know a lot of the vendors that too right so I think that And it wasn't just that commerce multiple conferences on across the US that this would that this was happening to you know that that's my big concern is is. They don't get the support from us as the paranormal community. That they won't be able to have these events again because they're gonNA take it so much in the pocket book that they're going to be negatively they're like next year they're like this a risk. I WanNa take again so yeah. I think as far as the paranormal community. We need to understand. And realize that if you know you know for instance I think we pay what sixty dollars something like that. In my opinion if I don't get that back in the he's able to have that next year I'm perfectly fine because that was our big trip. That's our Gaza Strip footage. We get a lot of personal memories. We get a lot of things out of that. I would rather have that happen again. Then see them not ever have it again because that was an excellent conference it was it really was they had a lot of good people come in there and tell their stories and it opened up my eyes a lot to the rim of bigfoot where you know one of the things that I've thought about also it's not just the folks putting on conferences but if you stop and think about how it affects the community they would have had all those folks in the hotel rooms mall the restaurants and everything people would have been going out to eat So it's a huge impact and that's just one conference and the vendors you know and then I'm GonNa get into it and just a little bit but you know they have speakers that come to these things. They have the vendors that come sell their goods and this is how those guys make their money. Yeah definitely so to not be able to go. You know by the time. This is hopefully by the time. This is over two or three months down the road. That's a that's a quarter of a of the year that some of these people are going to be missing their revenues. They're the way they make their living. So I think it's It's something that we as the community need to go out and support and be able to where they can continue to do this now. He's my Ken real quick. A rob we got a shout from Stephanie. That's your daughter. Oh cool out in North Carolina with their new hey stash. She wanted to say hello to you. Call last week show. That was that was her one of her stories that we not not my daughter Stephanie. The other Stephanie. That was our member now. This is my daughter Stephanie. Okay she's out in North Carolina. Now I'm trying to read messages and this is this is a different experience. I'm watching our skype feed and it's live and I can see but I'm watching the feed that's coming through. It's a little delay so it's making messages exactly I'm looking for. I'm lucky. I don't have any messages so forth. You guys had. Hey sending those comments send in questions. You may have about paranormal or anything in now. We'll try to answer them for you. Even if you have a story about something that you're doing during the screwing a virus if there's something that you're taking precautions about let us know so we could probably pass it out there as well to others. Yeah Yeah on skid ethnically so jeff one of the things that you talked about was the The museum the head closed. There's actually a couple of them. You know that had to shut down and want that. I it struck me the most was was Loren. Coleman's international zoology. Now and you know he put a basically put out a message that said I'm going to be shutting. Down may be two weeks maybe two months. Maybe two years I don't win but I do what I can bring it back up. You know that's something that he's put his life work into I know that Cliff Barack Matt posted about the North American. Big Butts. They just you know. Open that up and got all that running in all of that spin closed down in the in there asking for people to go online and you know by their goods that you can buy on their online stores and things like that to help still support them because they're not getting that revenue of people coming to the location and that sort of stuff. Yeah well it's like you said Mike at These conferences. Spenders combination sell their books. And that's where they make a lot of money to include speaking fees and all of that kind of stuff as well so if you take or five months of that away from them. They've lost a large amount of income. Oh yeah definitely definitely. That is very true. Now speaking of you know you were talking about that and this was a nice little segue you had their Jeff. Recently finished came yards last book which is essential God bigfoot. And he's another one of those that's he's he's you know he goes to these conferences. He goes to these things he does speaking you know. He's on a lot of these. Tv shows and things like that so when he by shutting down or not being able to travel and do that kind of stuff. I'm not talking about just him talking all these these kinds of guys that that. That's how they make their money. So I will say that this is probably one of the better bigfoot books. I had read if if you are looking here. Here's what I'll say if you are new to bigfoot in general if you're new decrypted the this is the book for you. If you're Experienced more experienced this is a great reference material. But if you have questions and you're not really knowing where to how to take the information in and how to process that or you're like this can't be your that can't be. This is the book you need to read so against support all of these local guys. I know that Jeff you and I were talking about it. I think that launch strickler has got a new book out on one of my favorite subjects. Which is the Chicago Bulls man sightings Loren Coleman's got a book? That's come out here recently. All of the authors that you read if you go to these sites and you listen to them speak. Most of them have books most of them have that sort of stuff so again go support. You're sitting at home anyway. Go support books and and help support those guys so they can continue doing what we like to go. Do in the downtime. Yeah that's for sure. That's for sure. So rob what's your take on things as far as which one. Maybe the you know the corona virus where you see it going. How long do you think it's maybe going to last more impact? Will it have on us as Americans? You think foof. That's that's a big one here. We were just talking about the paranormal affects. All of us though does affect all of us it really does. I mean when I heard all about this you know I was one of the ones that are like yeah okay. I'm everyone's wearing a mask out there. I was one of the ones that was not. I saw more like a flu. Type Symptom Writing I really don't get that sick. And then Lo and behold right after I pick up my first class and stuff I get like one weekend the class and then I'm told hey don't come to class and like what happened and it was. My one of my students had the sniffles. And everyone he had corona so they quarantine us so I know firsthand exactly what it was like to be in the quarantine process. You know it was. It was different because I couldn't go. Nowhere couldn't talk to anyone and my daughter start by and I'm like talking through through the door and stuff like a you know I might have it so you might be quarantined as well so it not only affected me my classmates and also affect my daughter. Her husband and mother daughter just I stopped by so it it. It's not to be taken lightly. Let's put it that way. Don't take it lightly. Take all the precautions. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. If you do touch your face wash your hands again. You know always wash your hands. Take precautions yeah why I know here in town you know. It seems like for me. They're still a lot of people out on the streets on the street and you look at people's mentality what is essential right. So yeah it's it's crazy and then you know and I will say you can kind of out in the very beginning rob I was. The the conspiracy theorist theorist on it. I you know we have a friend that we talked to. That was five G. Didn't you will know I didn't get into that in just a minute. We'll get into that out of five G. thing but but you know this. He started posting this stuff. Way Back when I mean like December and I'm like man you're talking about your young. Yeah so anyway I started coming out on like you know what I I look at the flu. I'll look at this. I look at these projections. I was a conspiracy theorist and I will say I hope that you know they said this last week and this upcoming week is going to be our hardest weeks and I hope that to me. It looks like and please. Don't take this the wrong way. One death is way too many but he doesn't when I looked at the stats right before we went online. It doesn't seem to be doing that. Gross climb that. I think they were projecting. So I can kinda see where some of the conspiracy guys are really Kinda. Come in with some of that stuff but at the same time. I don't think that I personally know someone. That HAS CORONA VIRUS. And they're okay. They're young person that that is healthy. And I and I think that they you know they're going to be okay but at the same time what gets me is hearing the stories of the kids that are affected. You know these people these kids that have died alone in a in a hospital room. That's that I guess. That's where panic sets Anna. And maybe that's what triggers triggers me. So it's a it's a scary deal. It really is do think that we will recover from this. We're going to press on and a couple of months we'RE GOING TO BE. We're going to be turning. It's GonNa take a long time to recover from this as a nation financially but I think that I think you know we`ll. We'll recover from this. I think that this is only the beginning of what's GONNA come. I mean you know when you look at history and then these types of pandemics and things like that. I think it's GonNa it's GonNa come again one day something you know. It's only getting worse. The more people there are the more cross communication. That's how this thing when you look at like Like the bubonic plague one of the bouts of that that went around and took a hundred years to work. Its Way from the Far East into Los Angeles literally almost one hundred years to go that far this thing two days you know just absolutely day of the the the way the whole world is international. Day so I think that I think it's GonNa change the face of the earth and how we do things. I think that You know we joke about this and put it up on instagram and I know my mother-in-law made you guys one but I think you're going to see more of this in the future. I think you're GONNA see us as Americans worry that you know. I look at some of the stats. On some of the countries that didn't get as affected they are mask wearing countries because of the pandemics epidemics that they've had in the in the past. So do you think that we're going to be wearing mask from here on out? Even even this dies down I I think you will see more people wearing masks. I think that most people will become complacent because we all know in that as being prior military people what how complacency works and you will all go back to normal and it'll go away but I think you'll see that handshaking and masks. All of that will be changed. Let's that's my. I think you'll see less handshaking more masks in public in public things and Okay good so we're we're laughing is rob guy pulled away for a second. Yawkey had apparently been jeff and I were like what the heck so anyway. It's a I think that it's going to change the the surface of everything for us in the future. Yeah I agree with you on that Mike. I think you know the days of handshaking and all that will probably be gone. We may do more the elbow bouncer. That kind of stuff with one another and I think you'll see more people taking an washing. I mean not did. They shouldn't have already. I mean this is kind of the the sad part you'll say hand washing hand sanitizer and then the other thing is. I think everybody thought the peppers crazy until this hit so. I think you're GONNA see upsurge in prepping after this. I think you're gonNA see more and more people that will be prepared You know you know. I'm a great portion of America lives paycheck to paycheck so going out and buying six months or a year's worth of food and supplies maintain your good examples toilet paper prep irs. Don't get me wrong. They they have tall paper and that sort of thing but Topers not high on the list of a rope repor because it takes too much room to store and there's many other things that you can do you can wash and where it will because for some reason that's I don't understand it but it's not really high on the list of rappers items. Does that make sense so I I don't I think you'll see more people smartly. Prepare lose lose them. Avoid a circus too. Far Away I think you'll see more people smartly. Prepare for this kind of stuff. Well Hey I wanNA share a comment that Stephanie posted she said I got called a communist either day while at work. Because I told someone. Please don't step over the tape. She works at Walmart Right now. How sad is that what it is not? This is my I get the whole rights thing. I I guess the fact that we as American. We're a free citizen and we shouldn't have this however to me. It's not about me. It's about that person on the other side of the line that is having to be there to support us and the things that we need. We need to protect them. And that's what that's that's how we should look at that. It shouldn't be whether or not I'm losing. My ride is that. I'm trying to protect my friend over there. That's having to work. You know a gas station. I go to the hung. The plexiglas thing at either had to wear a mask or have a shield. And he's like I can't wear a mask all day. I just I mean it's twelve hour sitting here I can't do it. I'M GONNA put the mask up and he's got the land back from the counter and why is that is because when people come up and start coughing on him or doing this gather. Yeah it's not about whether I can't cross that line it's about protecting my counterpart on the other side of the line. That's that's what it's about. That's what we need to be doing during this corona viruses. Looking out for one another not just yourself but look out for someone else especially the elderly. Because they're more sensitive to this they really are and not my Sorry my son in law works at the prison and he needs the stuff the sanitizing stuff out there. He really does because of everything that goes on out there but there was only one left in Walmart and there was an older gentleman that was looking for some as well and he just had it in his cart son-in-law did and when the older gentlemen wouldn't find anymore that's when he's like well here. I can find it somewhere else. I'm younger than you. You take this not no seriously you take this so I mean we have to do more stuff like that. We really do. We need to look for other people. Not just hoarding. And that's that's what. I think that we should in again. I don't want to go down the political spectrum but I get I get the whole free American thing and trust me I am. I'm pretty far up the spectrum myself however again it's about looking for your other Americans that's what it's about and need to quit focusing on. What are they taking away right now? Because you've heard the thing about you know the battle and other dino lived at the battle another day. That's what it's about right now. You GotTa make sure we get through this. Then we'll cross. That bridge will figure out where to go now. I am seeing stuff where And I I don't know how much truth to this where they're talking about you know. The mayor is put out rewards for people to turn in their neighbors. For regathering in parks saw thing in Canada where the guy was arrested for playing softball catch with his daughter in the middle of a park So there are some things to be concerned about but I think right. Now it's about protecting your counter your counterparts and impersonal. Yeah we got a comment from a from Joel WanNa. He's a CO worker of mine He says it's going to be more socially acceptable to wear the mass actor. This he thinks Rice Mike. That's that's Kinda like SARS in in Japan in Asia Countries. Where they didn't have the the they had the lower percentage of death rates in the contraction rates. Because again you check my numbers and if I'm wrong I'm wrong but from what I'm seeing. They had those lower numbers. Because after the whole avian flu a. They wear masks everywhere. So and that's what it's about. It's about if you touch something on the counter. You can't touch your your mouth right. And that's the thing with gloves I mean in an essentially with the. Cdc said the masks do nothing to prevent the transmission and other than mind. You not to touch your face. Basically what it is and the same thing with gloves. If you're wearing gloves you're less likely to come up unless you've seen the medium of the Guy Walmart pulling the gloves off with his teeth so the So anyway yeah I think it will be more socially acceptable and and you know the problem is is. Then you're gonNA go back to. You could go way down political spectrum if it's okay to wear a mask like this wise and not okay to where you know a cultural mask or cultural face shield. I think you're I think that I think you're GONNA see a lot change really but you know one of the things of WanNa say here real quick before we go on. We need to really stop and think our medical folks different there on the on the front line spended many hours in there trying to help patients you know. They're they're putting up with the lie. You know there happened to come in quarantine themselves from their families a Lotta Times and So I'd like to give a big shout out to those medical folks. Yeah definitely and and the first responder still right now is crazy. Sounds think about you know. I went to our little grocery store. And they are they in and I know that they're not on the same level as the medical responders. I'd get and stand that they. They hire like teenage teenagers to come in and work to take groceries from the inside to the car sets so the cards gave back in like anesthesia. While I was talking you know you see the same people when you go. That are working these long shifts because other people aren't going into work other people aren't doing that and these guys. These kids are working twelve hours trying to trying to stop the stores and do all that kind of stuff and exposed himself to all that multiple people that Wanna cross the line and WanNa do all this kind of stuff so anybody that works in a in a in a in a field like that. I think it's it's it's awesome so yeah Hey Mike I wanted to you and I we talk just a little bit You weeks ago or a few days ago. We had had brought this up when we started talking about doing this podcast. What do you think of the Kobe? Nine teen virus affecting something such as bigfoot. You think. There's the possibility that the virus could affect. Bigfoot will in my opinion. I am of the camp that bigfoot is a Hamad an undiscovered Haman that's closely related to us at some lineage along the lines to that being said when you look at great apes and other primates we have devastated populations of of gray of guerrillas and along those lines. And that's what they're talking about now. The zoos are having to take special precautions to because so if you take someone for example like a newborn that has immunities built up there really acceptable susceptible to getting you know a communicable disease because of that. Because they don't have the immunities built up same thing with these gorillas and things like that and then they talk about like in Africa. They were having to shut down the national parks because they were afraid that we would take it to those national parks. Because if you took it in an family of silverback gorillas gotta by the time they scattered throughout the woods and visit other communities and other families of their species it would be devastating it could wipe out and they and I'd read the numbers. It was something like eighty percent of the population Wipe out because they have zero immunities to this kind of stuff. So that's why they take those precautions but yes I think on that issue look at big foot as if you take away and I'm not going to have that debate today. Any of the supernatural or alien aspects of the bigfoot. Clains if you look at it as a as an undiscovered primate species of some sort. Yeah I think he could seriously you know you'd think about now. They've shut down most of the national and state parks and things like that where people go camping but you go camping. Something gets into the Into the trash or whatever and gets that and then takes it in. I think it could because now they're saying that you can give it to your pet. It doesn't affect them as badly but then you can't get it back to you. It's IT'S A. That's what I had read the other day so you could give it. There was an instance of a tiger. In one of the zoo's that contracted chronic viruses expected him to fully recover but he was against tested positive for the chronic virus. So now you can't give it to the PAT. They just supposedly can't give it back in again. Correct me please. Correct me if I'm wrong and then you know it's dangerous for them because what if what if it looked so. It doesn't affect the tiger. But what if it affects another animal or a guerrilla or honoring tanner? Something like that so But Yeah I think the big foot's along the exact same lines is that we were asked by one of our viewers. Y'All have any investigations plan after all this quarantine stuff blows over. I was going to bring something up about that. How how do you think that's going to affect other paranormal organizations with the investigations? And if people are going to be wearing masks and stuff is an Oh we have. What two on the books right? Now that we're GonNa do two and then To that we wanted to do one of them. We had scheduled. We have this far and we had to reschedule And then naturally percent the corona virus care We rescheduled because of that yet. Because you were in lockdown Yup and And then I had the big expedition plan to the. You know the mountain region. This this Spring the later on in May and But yes we had two investigations. One of them. I think you'll be so I'm GONNA I'm GonNa say this. We were trying to keep this as more of a into we. Put It out there. But we've been working really really hard on our youtube really really hard on the media and the in the content for you guys WanNa do. Somethin' I'm not going to go if the I'm not going to give spoilers I'm GONNA say so what? We've been working really hard to do that. And this one investigation is a place that we had been investigated in the past. It is pay place and I'll tell you I go round. We thought okay and then we came home and it went crazy force and yeah so we're going back now to investigate that we want to fully document that and input that out there for you guys and so yes. That's what's coming up. I think that you'll be pleasantly surprised when we get back because Once we got back from there we actually got. We got a pretty good image of a figure shadow day. You're maybe in a mirror. We want to do. Some testing to make sure. It's not a period dole effect or a reflection of one of us or something along those lines but and then we also got. I think we've got a couple of EDP's that we had to discount before. Because I'M GONNA be straight up on us. We had a BOO buddy. Which I like the buddy. I think it's got its place but the problem is we left at running the entire time it contaminated the other area so we had we had some stuff and then also you know when we were there. It's a place that a lot of people go to and when we were there we have accidentally allison brought out our UV. Light was shining in around the room and just happened to notice. It went through the window to a Dan. We were upstairs. Went through the window to a downstairs room. And there were essential markings all over all the door frames that we happen to notice. So we've came back and we've done some more research on some of that where more prepared to understand because that's not A. I'm not knocking. That's not what we do but my question is I did talk to my cousin who is really big into more of the magic and Those types of Arts and I think that he says basically it's just a general protection type deal but where I go with that is is. I think that there's no telling what someone has done there. And if you really WANNA get into supernatural and you WANNA get into more of the dark side of things which I don't like to go into however I think it warrants it in this situation. I'm getting chill bumps. See I wasn't able to go with you guys so I'm really looking forward to this one. Yeah Yeah it's it's pretty interesting and you know what it sits on. We talked about this. We actually tried to record this up a week ago but anyway is set on a on a railway right next to a railroad it sets over. Well it sets own this granted bad that runs through the rain that runs through the area In you've had people there that's been doing spells in no telling what sorts of conjuring in that kind of stuff so I think that there is the potential for something really bad to be there. And so we're we're going back to get into that and Ganassi's where we're going and for us it's for personal reasons straight up going to tell you that But yes that's what we that's one of the things we've got coming up We've got some other little investigations that we're going to go on in the end ventures as well. Yeah that's that's one of the ones I was GonNa talk about by not tell the story about somewhere. We may go which there's tool so gathers to one of the ones I am and this one. I'm I'm pretty. Nfl sorry keep looking at my laptop. Because I'm talking to Robin my cameras up here but so one of the things we've been doing we. We live in an area that is if you if you drive on the highway you can see for when they talk about. Everything's bigger in Texas. It's Scott Sky Sky. I mean drowsy Sky It's it's flat as nothing will. There's a spot hit a little gym right off the highway that you would not know there was layer. Do it came to us that. Hey we actually heard a podcast that somebody was talking about this. I had heard it. A few years ago started researching and kind of Doug estimate formation than I put on the burner than rob heard a podcast. And he's like hey. Have you heard about this place online? Yeah so then we got to dig into it and we talked to some well known people found out some information will then back. Last year I win. I took my son in. We went camping and I was just like. Hey I want to go check it out so we get down there and I got some interesting tracks. a trail a attract way and. I got a pretty interesting thermal image hit. I'm going to say I'm in conflict with the tracks that we got however will after doing some more research in talking to some other investigators. They closely match. Matter of fact I was sending picture you closely match things that were taken twelve years ago in the end up. The most other recent sighting was two years ago in the end. We went back. Well the first time you and I went to places that you went to and there is no way that they could have walked across where you said they walked across. Then you got your cast on without Day probably could have. If it was a big foot I would say they would be able to. There's no a human any redneck in their minds. A little walk across that in. I say that is a country boy so I can say that the yeah. There's no way in one of the places where the track way came out of. We were estimated. What about nine feet and it went under trees and I don't know about you guys but I've been swimming in some back places and all but there's no way I have swarmed underneath the trees in the middle of summer not GonNa not not with snake not area snake? Heaven not not going to happen and then they came out walked around this place and then went back across an area. That was just what the creek washes out. It flooded that Spring and all the washout and empties out into this area in its stick said. Just look like this. Yeah in these tracks just went straight across barefoot so then I'm going to say this so still toyed with mighty. I'm thinking well it was summer. There were people there swimming. They were barefoot walking around in the win. The water now granted. Not Across that though. Okay it's in the back burner. Then we went back. January a bizarre last seen it on instagram face but went back to this location even join. That's done it. Yes we did a podcast author. I found well. I Say I my brother Jeremy in you in what Germany's brother-in-law and I found these first sets than you and Jeremy. Two separate sets we found barefoot footprints a quarter a mile from nowhere on a creek bed in the night before it was about thirty three thirty four degrees. It was very any had been that way for a while. I don't know if anybody's familiar with North Texas here but it's either cold or it's hot. It's hot most of the time but for about three months it is cold and the wind blows on her mile an hour again. I don't think anybody was hoax. And we've been out there. I've been out there multiple multiple times in his pretty secluded. It's actually very unused. It's kind of. It's a gym and so anyway then. I sent those pictures to a well known person. I'm not gonNA name and that's when we got some stories back some photos back and we got some information though are plan was we. Were going to go back. Matter of fact we were going to go back the next weekend after the investigation. I just talked about go camping all weekend long in do some research but again that can't happen so Yes we do have some stuff out there and we are sitting on Youtube. We were planning a Youtube series if you would so we got some stuff coming out there. I think you'll be pleased. And that's one of the things I wanted to focus on with your guys help to is on my channel. I wanted to do. I'm really big into over landing in that sort of stuff. So one of the places I've looked at is a really off-road backcountry at I have a four wheel drive to get in Expedition about four or five expedition into the heart of an extremely reported bigfoot area. So we're trying to get some equipment. We're trying to get some things in place for that and we will be going to drive the truck and but takes a day to get out if he happens so Some of that kind of stuff You'll see that will get on both channels sets us kind of more what I want to focus on that kind of stuff so their stuff coming up. Sorry that long winded down. That's all right. That's what we WANNA hear in on that note I wanted to. I wanted to say this because again. I am big into the off road in the overland community in that sort of stuff in. I see a lot of people that post will. Why can't I go fishing or go out by myself? Because that's the best social distance business that you can get however I'm going to say like they're so big band in Texas is renowned for its camping in his back country and they talk about how. There's a hospital that serves like five communities sound there are five counties so if you go in and you don't right now you're walking. You don't know that you have grown buyers you get down there. Apparently this thing can hit you pretty quick and pretty rapidly. You go out on a weekend camping trip before you know it you get sick. You have an underlying health condition. You have to go to the hospital or you have a vehicle accident. You hit an animal with your vehicle. You break down. You break a leg hiking in the woods and you have to call an ambulance now. You expose the game. Wardens SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. The first responders the hospital to a community that is completely oh prepared at handling an epidemic. Such as this. That's why that's why you can't go camping. That's that's one of the wanted to put that in perspective for people just as a PSA. It's not necessarily that you're trying to do that. It's that you're gonNA expose again your counterparts something that they were relatively safe from in there right remote areas so anyway wanted to see that real quick. Hey Real quick guide. I got a question while you guys were Talkin. I asked what are your thoughts about. Bigfoot real or not In someone asked a question the question exactly is what is a big footy. Scripted is an alien. What are your thoughts? So I think I think you sorry to cut you off right and we're GONNA I wanted. I wanted to say this. I think you have to understand. What crypt is. What crypto? Zoology is it. Is Only the study of unclassified animals. There's actually a lot of discussion about how for example. The Tasmanian tiger is reported to be extinct but has been cited so that's considered a in the crypto study because it's even though it's classified it's supposedly not alive so that is what crypto zoology is. It's not necessarily. It is an actual science field. As far as I'm concerned it gets really weird when people start throwing things like where wolves vampires and things like that however that's where it goes and that's kind of the fun part so but cryptic. Zoology is that way Personally I have to admit that there are a lot of lights in the sky sightings associated at or near the same time as bigfoot sightings. I still think in my opinion that it's probably coincidence. Maybe there is something. Maybe it is because the area is exposed to high strangeness. We look at Skin Walker ranch. We look at Skin Walker. Ranch there are crafted sidings alien sightings air ghosts and supernatural sightings. All in the same thing there are many locations across the world when you get into When you get into a lot of these areas that are heavily wooded a lot of that is former tribal. Land things like that where there are some myths and mythologies of supernatural occurrences. That happened at the same time whether or not they're related and I'll have to say this. So maybe that this. The myths in native American legends may be associate may be their mythologies in supernatural occurrences are related to their sightings of that Krypton in the area. But so I think that in my personal opinion I think that bigfoot is a again a previously unclassified Hamad. I think that the reason it's so hard. Now when you look back people say well. It only started with. Patterson game on that's incorrect to this has been going on since the beginning of time all the native American tribes have legends. All over the world all the other countries and things like that have stories of similar aspects of what's related to be bigfoot so and then they were really popular in the late eighteen hundreds in this country when we were really into our expansion into the wilderness so all these sightings ramped up and then he went to the fifties and sixties and now urban expansion has really gotten out there and you see less and less of that however so was technology and people are out there less and less so I think that bigfoot is a an unclear I still think people that tell you how could there be something like that have not spent times in the woods in East Texas. That is true while I was going to say you know Mike you and I talked about this robbery. We have as well I never really was too big believer in the whole bigfoot thing you know ghosts in that kind of stuff and spirits and all that I had some dealings with in your that interested me but now within the last couple years I've really got interested in the whole big thing you know to me. It's there so many different sightings out there and so much research it's going on about it. there Scott to be something Hewitt well in Jefferson. And we've all talked about this. We go to these conferences in some of these conferences. You're at for a couple of days with people in you're sitting there and you're breaking bread with these people you're having conversations in this is you might sit across the table from farmer. Joe Who has been raised a devout Christian his whole life. Who has been you know? There's nothing about you that ever makes them think that that person would think about supernatural things or any this kind of stuff yet. They had an experience that they tell within. This is a person that may have hunted. They know what bears they know? Would all these creatures look like and they tell you. I came face to face with something. And I'm telling you this is what it looked like. You'd look at them in. And you know I mean and he is. Investigators we pick up on a lot of cues when you kind of know that somebody might be kind of not necessarily making things up but even embellishing it as they're going all but you some of these cases you here and you know this person with all their heart and soul. This is changed their lives. And then you talk to other investigators that had a normal life that we're out camping one night had rocks to size of football thrown at them in there too. They're trying to tell you this and they're like and then I heard this screaming and I heard this kind of stuff and this is okay so I had a big foot. But what the Hell is it? I mean yeah heat right you have to check this out so anyway. That's what gets me are. The are the stories that people against a good old country boy. That's been in the woods hunting and fishing his whole life and he comes around Creek Bedouin day into something sitting there staring at him that pounds chess and runs off in the woods. And you're like the you know they didn't miss identify their. I mean this guy. Can this guy can tell you the sex of Turkey from one hundred yards away without a second glance? But he's you're telling me that he missed identified a bigfoot as a bear in a part of the country bears. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Hey Rob what's your take on? What do you think of bigfoot? Well I was like you. I really that was like you guys went to the first big conference and I was like you guys that you guys go ahead but you guys talk me into going into the one down there that we always go to now and walking in there. Okay I know this was Mike. Mike's thing but walking in there like okay. I'm I'm just I'm here for you guys. Okay out and then. I listened to some of the stories some of the encounters that was being told. And we've had Bob Gremlin was down there and listening to his story and then at the we took a break and I happened to fool of the Patterson video and I it is that famous video that everyone is seen and I I was looking at it and I was like okay. That that's intriguing intriguing. I can't wait to get it onto the computer. Tear it apart. Look at it. And when he got done telling a story and then I took notes he said the exact same thing. Same many years over and over his story never changed since the beginning since the beginning it has never changed even the point or the the part to where he was talking about. How Peterson was running and he tripped over. And you can see that in the camera you can is just everything. The heat he talked about was in this video an historic never changed so I was like oh toward the PO. The video part I really did. I had in mind tactical opinion and I don't have any expertise in this. I've just been doing this sort of thing on the side. I could not find a logical reason that it would be a human being out there. They're the movement it was animal like it was even. I ran it through the filters that I run through our regular stuff too and you can see where the different temperatures were if you would and on one part if you look in the video when the arms brushing by her when it's brushing by you can see that it changes the same one as it would on the hand though. Everything was all there but when I walk. I don't rush my hand up there. I don't do that so looking at that footage and then going back the second year it got me more open minded if you would when she. That's the way I was. I was the same way I was like. I was like yeah. I don't I'm going with Mike just to go have a guys trip exactly And seeing what's gone on. You didn't get to go camping with this. I think if you had been camping with us because I think that's what automatically changed. Rob's opinion was finding the tracks. Yes when I when I saw those tracks for the first time I was like what the heck it. There's there's no way that anyone would walk out where where they were. There's no way there's no way in the stride in between them I took a normal stride. This dried was like another put more than I would be I. I had to do Goliath Yoga. You got an. I'm I'm trying to mimic myself right now. But I had to do the lines in order to get debt pace and I found three different tracks there and I'm like okay all right and then Jeremy found some up the way from him and I you stopped it where you found your tracks where you were doing the casting casting him and I kept going through the unthinkable. We were going to find the end of this until it actually stopped and when we couldn't go anymore that's when I crawled out of the ravine and he went to the right. I went to the left as I was coming back. Trying to find my way back to where you were. And he kept Dongguan eastbound entirely different set of tracks than what I found. Mine were going you must erection is. We're going in one direction. G Remember to. He found the tracks that were going up to heal. That would have went around to where you were at. Yes so it's very possible that it could've been which to me. Bolton's the theory that they are a creature footprints because they went through that valley. Bet there's a washout that these tracks would have went. Jeremy at that they would have gone up in. There's an old forestry road inge would turn to the right and that's where the tracks were coming from. That would have if they came down. The road said to me Goldens. And I'm only that's that is pure conjecture that that's the same track but it is extremely possible but they were the same tracks based off of the terrain that they would've walked on right. Well you guys both said it earlier and I totally agree with looking at the footage. You guys showed me. There's no way anybody in their right mind would be back nearing their feet in that area. No Way No. I'm going to quickly go back to the Wooden Patterson fan there was we know in the community but if for anybody out there that's not listening to not really follow along. There was a guy that he's specializes in four K. Restorations of of films in he redid the Patterson Gimblett famine forecast and now it does extrapolate and interpolate the data to create that four. Am and so you have to take that into consideration however it's using the data and has to do that so sad as well so but as Ken says in his book. You can see the pendulous breasts. She's War Right. Yes it is like. He had a fake that nineteen sixty seven may have is because everyone was saying it was someone in a gorilla suit or someone in a suit sixty seven. They didn't have that back then. I mean right. Gillies suits back then but that was taking branches off and putting. This was a full bodied airy beast in and I hear people all the time. They're like well how can you? You know a hunted all my life and all that and I'm thinking I asked him. Well where have you been? Have you hiked through Sam Houston National Forest or the Pacific Northwest? Gotten off trail gotten off something and have you walked through that areas because unless you have been there but once you. Have you understand how it could be well? That's there's no doubt when you and I went. We were just doing recon. We walked up on a hunter. He was standing still we. The only reason I saw him was because he moved. I just caught him out the core by if something doesn't want to be found in those woods you're not going to be found and that's the whole point behind naturally camouflaged in those area. We better than you're ever going to know. Exactly they lived there. Yes and I truly think they're a lot more intelligent than people given the and if they are some lineage of Hominem that's somewhat related to us from in the past. They still have that brain capacity by may not be as big as us our our our our brain capabilities. But they still. They still have that human way of reasoning. Yes and they have the animal instinct in also if they you know when you look at how animals so how many pair carcasses do you find from that one? That was not struck by car are had a natural and unnatural death many many natural bear carcasses found airy fairy because they go and they buried in and they hide somewhere in the dot. Yeah so they know they they. The bear knows it's going to die and it knows it's GonNa go there. We'll you take something. That has a more human reasoning. That doesn't want to be found. That wants to avoid the competition that wants to be. That doesn't WANNA be there. Yeah and then you go into those woods and until you've been there you haven't been to East Texas and gotten off trail go to Caddo Lake and get off trail take back. I'm not gonNA say that because you'll get lost if you have some serious stuff but yeah that's that's one of the places this next on my list. I WanNa Kayak in of Caddo Lake in. I want to get deep. Yeah y'all hey real quick. I've got a question that came in on facebook. The question is why do you guys think people talk about government cover-ups on UFO's and things such as big play? But you hardly hear anything about it on. Paranormal paranormal peace will isn't the UFO's and bigfoot or the paranormal. 'cause that's just as things that we don't understand no. I know what they're getting at though. I mean like spirits and ghosts and that Kinda stuff. Why do you think you don't hear a lot about that? Ufo'S I can see. I think because yeah. We'll history of what the government's done right exactly. And then also I think that the conspiracy theorists say the crypts say bigfoot people think that for example one of the excuses used for the conspiracy theories in California are like the logging companies. They don't want to disclose that because that changes. I mean you talk about what's been spent to save a species of Owl You know in in California you can. It gets really crazy out there but I think that there's a money connection behind it. I think that there is in what the way things have been covered in the past post. There's also lots of stories that come out of that. Although bigfoot is even more rare than than alien I think that the alien thing is a national security deal in there so much more stuff that has been purposely when you look back at Project Blue Book and all that time frame of the Avon and stuff there has been stuff that has been questionable by the US government. No doubt in my mind so their behavior whether or not it was intentional or not. It was questionable the behavior so I think that that fuels that conspiracy theorists Whereas spirits before governments before super nate superpowers before all of that the spirits have been around and they've been accepted. You know it's been expanded. Accepted the have the spirit of of. I mean you look back into prehistory prehistoric Egyptian times and things like that you know. They worshiped the supernatural. They worshiped and they revered those things. And it's moved up through history. Go back into the Middle Ages in the dark ages and all that sort of stuff. The spirit world was part of that way of life they based their harvest off of the solstice and the spirits and they and they in all of these things happened in. It's been a part of way of live whereas to me the alien stuff. Even though it's made goes back further it really took off with Roswell and the government in all of that stuff kind of came out and then you look at the same thing with bigfoot. Again it goes way back further but then when you get in to win it all happened. There was a whole lot of government involvement in denials. And things like that and as soon as the government denies anything government yeah. The government is government denies aliens. But you won't ever hear the government talk about ghosts in you know what I mean so I think that's part of it while I mean if you look back in history though when people gone into cage and ruins and that kind of stuff you see saucer drawn on the walls and that kind of stuff so maybe there is something further back than just you know the Roswell brought it up into the here and now right same talk about listening thing with with sasquatch or bigfoot. There's multiple you know. Native art works and things like that they go back hundreds of years. That have the same depictions and by way. That comment came in with from Jones by Sun. So there's so hey well We've been going here quite a while. 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Hey you've already been doing it so Yeah go ahead. Well those that are just now joining us. Live Jeff of Art van. Pi What we were kind of we started this show out of ALCO. Nineteen may have affected the paranormal world. We kinda gone off the road rails a little bit Lorenzo. Okay So now what we wanted to talk about was how did how does Kobe. Nineteen have the conspiracy theories in. What are they one that I was bringing a burly with Mike as he was talking about how he was doing. The whole conspiracy is The five g. The new Five G. system that they got coming out the WIFI. They're saying that that could be a cause of the collision nineteen and how can spread over the airwaves of whenever I hear gathers over a lot of a lot of people in fact? There's a lot of celebrities that I've read that have jumped on board with that eerie. Oh it's causing spread quickly and I don't see how they they're they're also saying I don't get this how they think that it could cause you do have a weaker immune system through the radiation. There's I can. I can understand that before I can understand that it's spreading it because there's like a random today and I could be wrong because I honestly I don't know how many countries there are are probably should but it's like one hundred thirty. Eight countries have reported cases of Cogan and five are the only ones with five G. So yeah I can. There's a lot of stuff that I think that five G. has a right to have some conspiracy theory but I don't think it has anything to do with over nineteen okay. Here's another one that I read about. How the aliens have wrought the corona virus to us. Now that one I thought about Y'all know me. I mean when you look at so I'm going to say this. I am going to get weird for a minute. You know I'm GonNa get real weird for a minute so when you look at how every country before it hit them. Oh it's nothing to worry about. Oh it's nothing to worry about and you can take. I'm not even GonNa go with trump this or trump that I'm going to say every country both sides of both major parties in the. Us were saying the same thing. Other countries. Italy was one of the worst. It's nothing to worry about it. Which I think is part of what happened. I think that they've admitted that. That's power of what why they took it so hard but all of a sudden all this comes out and they're you know shelter in place. Don't go where do not do this. So what if there was some truth to that? Where there was this spread. And that's that's part of the reason. Why the government is locking. Everybody down trying to do this because maybe it's worse. Maybe it's not worse in the way of it's GonNa you know essentially harm more elderly people here or this or that or the other. But what if the situation is worse than we bled the believe on a dull different spectrum? Because that's been part of the talk about if we go to Mars. We can't and we go to an area. It's hard for us to bring back samples that aren't contaminated. Because now we've been there. Even our machinery takes this stuff from Earth. There in contaminates the environment as a lot of environmentalists. That have a lot to do with with that about going to other planets and things like that so when you look at part of the stuff that I read was China we talked about this on the moon thing about not going back to the moon. No now everybody's going back to the moon why because China went to the back side of the moon and put a rover and to me. That's my opinion of why every other country said. Hey we're going back to the moon. We're GONNA do this. So where did this start? I have the conspiracy for you. China will sorry. Yeah that's where it started as China and so what if there is a connection? I don't know and that's just way out there. But it's something connection would be that the virus came from the Moon the moon. I'm just saying the moon. Let me rephrase this. I I am not saying any of this. What I'm saying is is the the conspiracies series that talk about it to me. Have some merit in in that fact of what one of the things that could be Dan. This has been part of the whole beginning of your phone. Alien stuff is what if something came here. What is the biggest threat it in and I'm talking? Scientists major scientists have said. The bigger threat isn't whether or not they're going to come wipe us out. It's what they bring just like when we went to the new world and we took a virus with us the flu that wipe out the Ashqar or whatever. That's what the biggest threat is in anyway so I think there are some Barrett on that three. Think that the corona virus is like that where China's trying to pick out the rest of the world the growing virus. That's another conspiracy isolated. I think that there is some validity. Especially when what she read barely on there is some validity whether or not he was China or whether or not it was another country that was trying to harm China in then it got out of hand which I think is the problem in all of that kind of stuff when you look back in history you know there was a what was it. Was it the bat that they were going to send the flaming batch of the birds. We talked about it before. I'm trying to grow viruses coming from was the bats. They're testing on the bats. Totally different deal. Though they were GonNa send these this flaming these bombs and birds or bombs and bats and then the bats came back in blew up own stuff because anyway so there's a lot of those types of things that that had happened that way that go awry and I think that's you talk about weather modification some of the conspiracy 'cause on weather modification You know it was made to stop a hurricane here but then you said into this whole event chain of events. That's now want to find the weather global warming all of this kind of stuff. They could have came from from that. Same thing with the corona virus when you look at a virus that kills rapidly and it kills indiscriminately in in the conspiracy. I believe has mirrored that it could have been a possibility. I'm not saying that that's where I'm just saying. That is a possibility. And then it went awry. And now it's worldwide and then once it starts mutating all of that then you got problems. What do you think well you know? I try not to go down the conspiracy theory route or not. Kind of like Mike At least I'm not Boca with it anyways but could I believe that there is a conspiracy theory out there that may be somebody was trying to cause harm to certain group of people or Ountry or whatever. Sure I think it's possible and that's wrong. I think it's extremely it has merit you know I've read Reports were China saying that you know somebody from our country the army or whatever brought over this virus and added up over there. Do I believe all that? I don't think so I don't think so at all But I know we really really have got to take this virus serious know. I was telling my dad the other day in the Ara said you know I never thought in my lifetime would ever see such a a pandemic this. I really never thought I would. I don't think anyone really did when you look back at like our grandparents our even our parents that have been. I mean like. How does your dad like the polio vaccine and all that kind of stuff does? Have you talked to him about any of that? How that compares. So and that's there have been these pandemics epidemics if you will. I think it's the first for even when you talk about gen-x unwise and millennial we're all in this together in this boat. You know what I mean. We are less. So what's going on but I think it's a first for us and when you look back in history I mean these things hit quite often. It's just never really affected. The greater portion of the world like is it actually has back in early days again that we wanted plague spread like crazy in. It's just a a first thing for us and I think we need to take a serious regardless of what your beliefs are what happened. I think it needs to be taken seriously. So with the corona virus and all the deaths that are coming to think investigations are going to pick up when we can finally get out there investigate. Or how do you think an investigation is going to go? Do you think someone's going to want someone come into their home and investigative. They do have anything Bernama. That's a good question Yeah maybe be so I mean you. I don't know if you guys have seen on the news. How they're of digging up property New York somewhere. I don't remember where the location was of. But they're burying hundreds of people in this mass grave People THAT CAN'T AFFORD LA be homeless. Yeah so you know just like we've talked about or with the battlefields in those those kind of things. You know where people people die. That energy is absorbed into the ground. Increase I believe it could I really do. I think the pickup I do. I think so you might. We've talked about before when you look at it when you look at for instance. The slender man deal that was an art program that that went crazy and then it blew up and they talk about. How one of the possibilities is that. After this thing viral on the Internet all these people were thinking about it and all these things were shared and get more people thinking more people were scared. All this emotion is now created some sort of thought form or something like that. I think that it's possible. The you're going to see an uptick in some sort of paranormal activity. Just because of the emotion that's entering The the atmosphere in I think that It's what I what I'm afraid of in. We we talked about this. You're GonNa have certain shows that's GonNa go out and take advantage of this to go. We're going to investigate this and then in six months you're GONNA have people talking to Kogo. Nineteen people that died in this that and the other and I just. That's what my biggest fear is and that's GonNa get crazy for people and then it's anyway have issues with that but be I think it's. It's quite likely that you're gonNA see an uptick in paranormal activity. Just because of the emotion and the energy is being portrayed right now people are tired. People are worn out. People are stressed people are scared. People are dying people sad Yeah it's a tumultuous time that I think could seriously impact the greater spectrum of things. What about you rob? What do you think? I definitely think it's going to pick up. I really do. I also think that there's probably going to be a lot more. Paranormal groups that pop up as well. Because it's probably GonNa like Michael Soccer bodice probably GonNa hit some television show and just like back in the day. One goes centers. I came out now saying that. Nothing bad hunters because that's recently started. you're gonNA have all these shows coming out that portray the people are talking to to the corona virus. And then you're gonNA have more paranormal groups. Oh I WANNA go and try that out or you might have a decline in paranormal groups on the other spectrum as far as I don't want to go into someone else's house because they might have the corona virus and we don't know how the pattern damage is going to go so I think it you'll either way really could when it comes to different organizations in the different parables but do I think. There's going to be an uptick in activity. I definitely do because there's a lot of people out there that are dying because of the cove in nineteen days ago. They felt fine. They're in bed. They don't really get time to say goodbye to their loved ones or anything like that so might not be able to. They were in the hospital. Yeah right now so I've heard that it can be for some people can is extremely painful. Like that's Don't like the individual that put their report out but it was talking about how it wants you the lay there and be still wants you to do this because when you try to move. It's painful and it hurts and it takes your breath and you can't do this so there's all that emotion all that and you look at these hospitals we've had week matter of fact we talked about it in the lascaux about Walter Reed but you look at these hospitals at experienced an uptick in deaths in their communities in this I think that there's a potential for a lot of activity increase. Agree with you rub. I think that I think that I don't think it will necessarily affect us going to somewhere because somebody's afraid Think you'll start seeing more people exact. Where in their mascow and somewhere in an investigation because people are now more conscious of the fact that there's bacteria and old buildings or this or that or the other. I mean we were on the old buildings anyways. I mean we've done that. We have young but not at all I think more. Now I'll give you my opinion though I do think I'll be more apt to wear a mask now passed over and I have another so now we have our. We have to get some ghost ones and everything. We did have a comment on our facebook page. And I'm going to respond to that after I just noticed. It came right before we started. But ask where this came from so I did want to give a shout out to my mother-in-law for making us these wonderful Melissa's with with our picket owner wind to work. So she's seen it the first time I pulled up to the gate with that and they're like I want wind. Sorry Yeah Asset. I know they were. They weren't commercially available. We had them. We may press again. We have we're going to see that here in the next couple of weeks. They're they're gonNA probably let us out of quarantine in a couple of weeks but it's going to be on the caddy on that we hit. Excuse me that we wear masks. Yeah so yeah. What else do we got as far so. We had the conspiracies deaths cryptos organizations groups. Looks like we hit about everything that we wanted to talk about. You wanted to do the The networking thing rob. So I thought I kind of hijacked that from you know go for it again here in the beginning but typically we try to do a little networking thing where we talk about another group that we see just to kind of spread some love out there and that kind of stuff. This week I thought because I took this to heart a good bit. I thought that I would share the The whole International Zoology Museum. Which is Loren Coleman's museum in Maine and I noticed. The website wasn't working. I don't know what that has to do with the cope in that team thing but you can't find them on facebook at international capture. Zoology museum if you search for that Loren Coleman has a website to as well as Loren Coleman Dot Com. But what I would urge people to go and I and I'm GonNa say this about the museum but also any of your other favorite authors your favorites paranormal sites. I mean you look at like Any of the places like the the Winchester House. Those places are closed down for going to be closed down for months in those were a major undertakings to get us to get into those locations so make sure you go support And I like the international crypt. Zoology museum they have items for sale on their facebook. Page there shop to Sarah so you can go and you can buy a book poster You know that kind of stuff you know I know money's tight for everybody That get it completely. Get it but again if we WANNA can us as our paranormal community. We want to get out there more than we need to go and in support these guys so go to your author. Go to your the museums. Go to the sites that you liked to help support these guys to help them through again. It could get by the time. This is over as a minimum is going to be a quarter of their annual. They make money so Enforceable Yeah I bumped my laptop but yeah Mike I agree with you and I think it's important you know. Now we're all stuck in home. We have a lot of time to be able to read books and research in that kind of stuff so so I know that's one of the things that I wanNA do. I WanNa see if I can maybe sneak over and get chromosomal. Dad's real important. We support these folks out there. That are Are Not able to get out right now. Different and then we'll go ahead. Go ahead rob. Now you go you go ahead. I was just going to say one of the other things we were gonNA talk about. We'd normally have tech corner going as well. Okay today. Mike wants to talk about and show us the me. I we have a commercial about it. All the time forgot about now. You actually have one so go ahead where you can play that as well so so typically what you got a lost my props ahead of an actual k. Two here but typically what you see is you have the The K. two meters. That you see this ghost hunters made it famous where it goes in and it measures the the whole Emf change of whatever it is that you're trying to look as sorry. I'm looking at the screen and something that I thought you cut me off so I hit the wrong button. I was trying to do the show music and I hit the end of my thought. I was dead there anyway. So but what I've been using that for actually three or four years and actually I think rob talking about. They've been using in on. Some of the newer shows is they. Actually they call it the Eddie. Which is the media plus You can get these at Go stop or Amazon and we actually have affiliate links on our youtube. Sides are on our website and that sort of stuff but I absolutely love this thing. This is measures temperature humidity pressure Geo Vibration your phone and her and pressure the MS anyway. But what I liked about it as it takes an ST card. And you can. It will log everything and then when you get done you go to. The manufacturer site in my mind is done right now if anybody wants to look syntax. Paranormal was central Texas paranormal. They're the ones that actually make and sell these things to the distributors thereby you can download the software and you can chart out what's going on for example so if we catch an EDP or we catch a temperature change something. That's what we have but with this. It will log into place you look at the screen and we actually had on multiple occasions where we had a barometric pressure changed humidity. Change temperature drop. Emf and a little bit of geophones activity as well at the same time so some of that stuff is natural. You have to kind of dialogue that out and figure out what's going on but when you get a degree temperature change and a seven or eight and barometric pressure drop of through three points. That may be something that might be might be a little different so when you're talking about data logging and actual paranormal research not paranoid. Enthusi- enthusiastic but this is the toll to go to so and you can carry it around with you. You can set it up as geophones set it in front of the camera and the lights will come on. You can kinda see how communication device with them away from a spirit to talk to you with. All sorts of it is a wonderful device. I believe you can get this now for about two hundred dollars again. Amazon or go stop. Make sure you go. If you're going to look at one go to our affiliate links there and they'll be in the show notes as well and you can. You can check that out. It's bill sorry I thought I cut me off. I lost train there from jumped off the train. It Hey just real quick back to the Corona Virus Mike you at wondered about the number of countries that reported to corona virus. Currently there's two hundred ten countries and territories that have reported corona virus and there's only five developed countries that have five G. so yeah so well good show. I enjoyed it. 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Bonus: Interview with The Mesa Podcast

True Consequences

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Bonus: Interview with The Mesa Podcast

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In season three, you can join us for a true crime book club, giving in-depth coverage on cases living in the darkest corners of our bookshelves are first multi part series on the crimes of Gary Ridgway focusing on his family, victims and survivors. So. Grab your cat keychain. Surround yourself an assault circle, lock your doors and unlocked up bone, hail Satan and pop some bottles. Adult. Look deeper. Off. This is true. Consequences be true crime and mystery podcast stories based in New Mexico and the American desert southwest. I am so excited to have you here to your I think that when I found out about your podcasts at really excited. I've wanted to see more new Mexico podcasts, and and I know there's there's quite a few now but but it just makes me really happy and really kind of fool of the state pride to to see that we're starting to have different shows that are focused on the state and and your show got me really excited because being a true crime podcast or already and. You know I did cover the West Sabine collector. Probably not as good as you're going to do it or not, as well as you're going to do it but I was so excited. In, different? PODCASTS who have. Done it. They've just done it in a different way. didn't really Obviously, no one's done a podcast that his only dedicated to it. Usually, the few times that a podcast is really ever covered it. I think there's one podcast that may be devoted like two or three episodes to it, and it was years ago and they weren't from here I. Don't know where they were doing it from, but they from here Does like an episode on it, and for like the true crime podcast and stuff I just you know with a lot of the intimate knowledge that I have of the case and just working in media here for as long as I have I I knew that I do a lot more with it and in a different. You know And an I love podcast I've been loving them for so long and I just thought this. Is the perfect thing that if I'm GonNa Start Doing podcasts I want this is the perfect case to start with. And I know that I can do at least nine or ten episodes, and who knows as I'm going through it. I might even be able to do more, but I know that I can do at least nine or ten episodes in order to how the story in the way that that I want it to be told at least through my work on it. You know sure well. I really respect the work that you've done so far. Thank you, I'm not caught up. Haven't listened to the most current episode yet. I'm ready to myself any friends, but that's okay. Well, that's I'm probably making some enemies to with my show, so. I have to tell you that I just listened. To episode that you did with your mom about your brother and I was like wow. That I have to really commend you, because I think that that took a lot of bravery to put yourself out that way and. You know just to tell the story the way that you did with your mom. I WANNA give you. A lot of props for that and I. You know I I can't imagine what you went through in are still going through and your mom. Especially you know being a mother, but I I'm glad that you put it out there, and you did it in such a personal way, but it could not have been easy. And I just kept thinking that the whole time has like Oh. My God I think that was really brave of you to put yourself out there like that. Thank you. That means a lot. Yeah, it was a it was. Was a challenge. I think the build up to. It was more challenging than actually doing it. I'm just because we have all this. You know emotional baggage family, but when my mom and sat down and actually did it there was some catharsis that happened, and there was some healing happened, and it was really beautiful and I feel like we're both in a better spot emotionally having done that. Yeah, yeah, I was GonNa ask you I mean I so I don't know how you want this to go I've never Donna get vocal before? Role and I want to do more of them. I I was GONNA. Ask You if if you don't mind if you use whatever you WanNa talk about, but So I found yours I. Think I was looking at. You know what I was looking searching. True Crime New Mexico like tags. You know how I stumbled upon yours and I think it's a great name. It's very appropriate for anyone who's from here would be like. what made you besides fact that true crime is you know so popular, and we have some of the most bizarre. That happens here, so I think that it's really good. You know just in in working news staff and you tell people and they're like what? I now man I. Don't know I. Don't know if it's the desert I. Don't know if it's just new. Mexico I don't know. I have no idea, but I mean it definitely warrants. Being able to do so many episodes on the weird shit that happens here. Is that started to do it? Or why did you decide to do it? So, there's a couple of reasons The first thing is I'm totally obsessed with the Weird Shit like I've always been that way. Since I was little, I remember being in the library and reading about UFO's and go soon murderer in mafias in all this crazy stuff, and just being totally obsessed and I couldn't get enough of it, so that's always been there for me. and I think that morbid curiosity kind of carried over into adulthood. But the primary kind of drive for this whole thing is to highlight some of the issues that we have here in New Mexico. And that starts with you know with me at home and being a family member of a victim who never received any kind of justice or even a day in court. It's the. It's a problem here, and it's been a problem here for a long time, and especially with as it pertains to children, so that motivation really pushed me to start start the show along with my obsession of all the weird shit, but but primarily comes from a place of really wanting to give a voice to victims families who don't have a voice. Yeah Yeah. Yeah definitely yeah. No, I and I think that that's really awesome in and what is your background? As in like A. Education and How did you will know? How did you get into podcasting? In general so I I'm not a journalist. I'm not like another journalist. Need a lot of a lot of. I'm always curious like how. People doing so I've always liked podcasts. Even before they got really popular I was I was into them. And I just feel like it's a really good medium plus I'm super self conscious about being video so this is really awkward for me. So I figured if I could just do my voice, then that would be cool. Yeah, no, you've got a good hot count. Thank you. Yeah so I. You know what I think. That's one of the things that I really love about the podcasting medium. Even more so just having worked in commercial news is I love the independence of it You know as with anything if anyone can do it, you have some really good along with some not so good stuff. But I feel like it's such a great medium for people who? Are just starting out or have a really good idea or whatever and they don't have to worry. So much about like what am I going to be able to say this? Or what if the I worked for? Don't want me to say this way or whatever you know like when you work in commercial news, it's extremely restrictive and you know. When all this stuff happened in two thousand nine, like. If my news director didn't WanNa do a story, we didn't do it. That's. and. Honestly until they started finding the bones. Nobody wanted to do this story. Nobody did and and I talk about that ally when Maggie Shepherd, who was the newspaper journalists who covered in a two thousand seven. All of the women that we know of totally total live. who were being looked? For. By a few detectives. You know she did this story. And literally no one did anything with it. She didn't even do anything with it herself after that and I talked to her about that in the second episode and you know. Why didn't you follow up and why you know? Whatever did you not have support? And she definitely had support, but there just wasn't really much to say because it was. Still, nothing, we still haven't found anything. No, we don't know where they are. No whatever and. and. It never really turned into a big thing with APD eater. It wasn't like they put a big. Task Force Together they. It was still justice sane detective looking for her girls. And and I understand that especially in commercial news land. That's not very sexy. Aren't. and The idea that if it bleeds, it leads. Yeah, absolutely so there's a million other things that are going on rather than a group of women who a lot of people were able to dismiss as just prostitutes, and it's like nobody really cared. Nobody really wanted to do anything with it and I. think that that's extremely sad and I think that. What a disservice to those women and I'm not saying that. Maybe anything more could have happened, or we could have caught the guy or anything like that. I just think that. You know. I just feel like they deserved a lot more than one story one time period of seven years that they all went missing. And I I would not be surprised if there's quite a few more women than just the original seventeen that could be anywhere on the Mesa. Honestly Will Ya, and for the people that are not from here. You know the may be hard for them to understand how expansive this area is an how desolate, and even though they're building houses and developments in everything around there. There's still so much open space to to think that maybe there could be additional burial grounds is scary. To, say the least I think well and the big thing to and you know even. The lieutenant who I was talking to he, you know he even absolutely admitted that. They could already have been you know built on top of already you know, either before two thousand nine or since I mean the thing is you can't. It's a tough you know as a double edged sword, because it's like you have this gigantic hundreds of miles, and you disagree because I I'm sure, not even just with these girls with anything, native, American or any, you know bones. You're not going to dig up hundreds of miles just in case someone buried. Somebody out there like you know what I mean. What do you do and? So. The chances are that some of these girls are you know, do have a house built on top of them is I. It's Macabre I know, but it's reality. It's possible the only reason that these bones were found in the first place is because of all that construction digging them up and tapping it down in digging it up, and then because construction stopped because of the economy crashing. Someone was able to find it, but if they hadn't done that now, granted, whoever buried them didn't bury them very deep, but it doesn't really matter you know I. Mean if are three feet deep. At, you know if there had been digging things up with these backhoes getting it ready to build a house, they very easily could not have been found for very long time or ever again. Who knows? If there were remains, that were damaged during the process of building some of those houses out there, and how many of those you know if there were any remains, that were just buried in hidden. Because of that you know is, they're getting run over by a backhoe, worse or something like that, that's have you ever been out there. To that specific site. Yeah, it's really it's very surreal. It's. It's yeah, I. Don't know I mean I know that they're building the little one acre park. There as a memorial and but there's still like like ninety eight acres that are just open. There I heard somebody. I want to say. I talked to city councilor clearer. Step pen, yeah! That district is her area and she's been spearheading that Memorial Park to be built and I talked to her and I asked her you know who owned the land. If it was still Katie Holmes, and it is, they plan on building more homes over that area. Really Yeah, because their contention. In conjunction with a PD is that they have done their due diligence in waiting for eleven, years and APD has not been able to find any other remains, and the city has built a memorial park, so they're honoring them. And you know it's one hundred acres of land that they own that essentially a they can't do anything with. They've been building all the way around it. And so there's this hundred Acre land that the you know just sitting there. That is becoming more and more valuable as Expansion of the city moves west in that direction and I haven't been able to talk to anyone from K B. I mean they're pretty corporate, and they don't have a headquarters here or anything like that and I don't I don't see them just readily coming out and admitting yeah, we're going to go ahead and start construction, but I talked to the city council her. And she said you know once they built the memorial. Park and they've been working with a PD to make sure that they can't find any other bones, and you know it's been eleven years, and if Casey wants to build on top of it, it's technically their land and I was like. What. Can you imagine I mean? Can you imagine buying a house out like on the land like? I don't know I just just even knowing that like I. Why would you WanNa? Buy a house there. Why would you want to build on top of it? But why would you WANNA buy a house? There? I agree with Melanie Melanie on the chat said that is mind blowing I I agree I I can't imagine. I wouldn't buy a house there. I mean. kind of like a northeast snob. You know like. I don't. I don't cross the river. I know I mean I went I. drove out there I was like Oh my God. This is so far out here. This is so far out here and he's looks different. Because I think the last time I went out, there was about six months ago. and it looks a lot different than it did in two thousand nine. Because again, it is extremely built up. There's like a stadium that's out there. There's four schools that are out there. There's so many more neighborhoods built up all the way around it than there were ten years ago yet I mean I think you know the houses that are directly right across the street from it. Like. Knowing that that's like right out your back door. That's just what you're looking at all. The Time Oh my God. Just like bad you everywhere. Like! I don't I just. That's not I would never have a part in that I don't understand why you know I. Don't know I. Don't really get it It seems like it's something that they shouldn't be able to do, but I mean they own the land and is in. It's not is not considered to be an active crime scene anymore because they've found the bones. They say they found all the bones that they can find in that area. And since it's not an active crime scene, anymore Kaby can build over it if they want to. Do you know of Abd ABC's ground penetrating radar? Anything like that in the area to these. Yeah, they say that they have and they say that they continually do like They'll do flyovers, and if they see like a ground looks disturbed in an unnatural way Then they will, they did it problem last December so now so December twenty eighteen was the last time that they let me know that they did that. and they said it turned out to be nothing but at the same time they don't own that equipment themselves. It's like a million dollar piece of equipment, so they have to borrow it or the lease it each time, so they have to make sure that it's worth it each time. They do it because it's not like they just have it at their disposal. and. They can't justify buying that right now. You know so. They can't just go around checking every little part that looks like it's like a weirdly disturbed piece of of Earth there, so it's tough I mean they're in a tough spot. You know because they know that there's more women out there. They absolutely no but they don't. Know where to look. Probably. They're out there on the Mesa where I mean. It's so such a vast landscape, so ben you. You don't have any real suspects at the end of the day. They don't have any real suspects. No one is coming for trying to talk. No witnesses come forward. They don't have anything so if you don't have anyone who is pointing in the direction of any specific place to look, you're left with just hundreds of miles, I mean chances are. They're probably not a hundred miles. Miles away. They were so close to the city before, but if they're not built on top, they're probably not that far away. Maybe within a twenty mile radius on seeing as how close they were before, how close together they were before, but also how close to the city they were, and it's Dif-. It depends on who you talk to you because so the newest episode that I just did that. I put out the Sunday I talked to x APD Sergeant. He's now a lawyer. And he was working during that time he didn't work on the case, but he worked AP at the time in the had a lot of friends who worked on the case he and he says he does not actually feel that it's one person. He thinks that it's multiple people. Multiple people. Yeah. So more than to. Ask that's what he believes. Wow, and he was a sergeant with APD for eight years. Holy cow well I don't know if like a group of Friends Lizard, maybe maybe more so less of a group of friends, but possibly more A. Group of. People may have other connections that we don't know about. Who Yeah. Woo. Yeah, you're blowing my mind a little bit. You know he said it. He said I put it out there and. I now right and so No, and he doesn't mean like a cult or anything like that You know. He talks about this and I'm going to do a more expansive interview that I put out on Pakistan with him or patron, for different people say different ways but He believes for a number of reasons that there is. An has existed for a very long time. He kept calling it a third rail basically. People in power whether it's politics or government or people with money or both? WHO Have a lot of connections and May. Utilize the services of. Women pressure melting. They believe are expendable. There you girl! I, don't I? There's no I can't Oh my God. And he said on the record I was like. Are you sure you he's like what do I have to be afraid of? Ir have anything to be afraid of like. Let him come. Get me. And I was like I'm all right then. You guys. This I mean I. I mean honestly let's be real like. Would it surprise you that you know like some judge? High up or some politician high up who was into escorts, or who was into drugs, or whatever use the services of any one of these women or Had connections with the you know who the women worked for or anything like that? And maybe some of these girls were used as mules, or whatever, and then you're expendable. Right because they know that know what is going to go looking for you. They're just not. They're not going to go looking for you. Why some of the families did, but you don't have a lot of support because the minute that they look. You know the criminal background of some of these girls they go well. You know they're not under eighteen. they're living a transient lifestyle. Some of them. You don't exactly know when she went missing. Maybe she went missing two weeks ago. It was the last time anybody saw her. That doesn't mean that she's dead that doesn't you know or or a number of things and that's what makes it really hard to track down a lot of things that this case is that? There are two women. That have an actual date attached to the time that they went missing. Two of them. The last time that their family saw them and they haven't actual date. They don't know if that's when they were killed, but they have an actual date of the last time that anyone saw them. The rest of them. There is no date attached to it, so it's more like they went in the month of. Or the last time they were seen was around this area sometime in this year. And when you have a population that you are utilizing or targeting. Whoever's doing it whether they're targeting them or they're utilizing their services however possible. When you? Know that it's makes it a lot easier to get away with stuff like this. WHO's GonNa come out like her friends? Really her friends are GonNa go to the COPS and say. You know my friend. Last night went I I saw her. Was this time will? They may not remember the last time they saw her. They may not think that there was anything weird going on until they didn't see her for a month or something like that. So when you don't have an actual day or time when someone goes missing, and you don't really know who they were with at that time. It makes it very hard to track down any one person that could have done this. Only God. You just blew my mind I. was getting a little dark. It's getting dark here, so I've got. On. That's okay. But you know when you put it like that it. It makes a Lotta sense and. I never thought of it that way, but I could totally see how that could happen in. I could see how that could happen here more so than maybe other places just because of all the stuff I'm learning about what happens here. I, don't want to say his name. I don't WanNa. Slander Anythi and get myself in trouble, because obviously I don't have. Insurance on my podcast if someone were to. I'd have to look it up. There was a judge in. Thousand, seven two thousand eight. WHO. Frequented ladies who worked on the streets and oh I remember. He kept getting into trouble He was removed from the from the bench, but he was I think he was a district Judge District Court judge Then he lived down in a country club area. and I remember we covered it. Because one night he had kidnapped a woman that he hired and He was physically abusing her, and he had he like blocked her in the House and the only reason that anyone knew about it was because she was trying to jump on the second floor window, and was like screaming at the neighbors to call the cops and he was a judge. And and the same judge. Had Gotten in trouble because he got pulled over at a roadblock, he tried to run away from the roadblock. And he had a woman in the car with him also. And he they had blow everywhere all over the. Car and everything like that this same judge so. You know, it is not just stuff that's in the movies, and it is not is not just unique to New Mexico. 'cause you know with money and power. You know what I mean so if you were to tell me I'm not saying that this guy had anything to do with it, but if you tell me that there was a lot of people who were into this same kind of stuff and. You know did whatever was necessary to make sure that nobody talked about it. If anyone knew about it, that would not surprise me at all. It wouldn't surprise me either, but it just never crossed my mind at all, and so that just kind of blew me away for a second, so was I was shot. I don't know if he's right or not. I mean I'm not a COP and. You know I'm not a detective or anything, but I find it really interesting that a detective on that force. Really believes that because I asked him I said you know. Do you think it was any of the two people who are persons of interest who've never moved beyond persons of interest to actual suspects? Do you think that it could be them? And he was like no. It was no, and you know it's really funny. Because I know cop who's actually a cop right now is gonNA tell. You. On the record yeah I, think it's this guy or that guy and I've heard so many different people think it's definitely Blair or it's definitely Montoya or whatever there's I have not met. I, don't I don't know enough people who all agree on one person and I've met several people who don't think it's either one of those guys. And I think when you have something. That's eleven years now down the road. There's no new breaks in the case. You can't actually get enough evidence to make the two people that you have even move on to actually be a suspect, nor do you get in anything that really concrete points to anybody? Else's being a suspect, even though they say they get hundreds of tips a year. Well, where's that going? You know what I mean, right? It's just sort of like. If, that person is alive. They're not talking or they don't live here or it's not one person. Those are all very good points. Yeah. So what so what's your connection to this case? Aside from the fact that you know you felt like it wasn't being told properly in these women were being honored properly. What else drove you to do this show that you've created? Well I really love podcasts and I wanted to be able to do a podcast on something that I was really passionate about but that I felt like that I could really sink my teeth into journalistically and was something that I knew enough about that. I could really start. Working with people that I knew who had connections. And I have a friend WHO's a private investigator that I work with a lot on things like this, and she used to be a journalist as well and so she's been helping me a lot because she covered this case, and she knows a lot of players, and so I wanted to be able to do it in a way that I could really you know, be proud of journalistically but also what I really love about podcast is just the independence of it because again in commercial news. You don't. You are told by somebody else what this story is Nans. I, that's I. Don't work in commercial news anymore than I, I work for an independent newspaper, because I think that I think that there's a lot of stories to be told out. That are not covered by commercial news and I think that this is the perfect medium to be able to do that. Awesome. Yeah. I just I'm a big fan of your work, so I had to say that out loud. You know. Do you have plans to do more beyond? This podcast like? Other. You know now that I am I. Feel like getting better at it and it's getting easier. you know. I've been kind of exploring different ideas. I had this one idea and I've been wanting to do it forever. I wanted to do a coffee table book, and that just didn't happen. I had kids and I just. I don't have time and then I thought why could do a podcast on it and I woke up and I had the name and everything, and I googled it to make sure that nobody else had it. And of course somebody had already done it and have the same name that I did so it wasn't that original, but I wanted to do something ghost towns, and really tell the story of the ghost town like go there. There, and talk to anybody who's still living there, and because I think ghost towns have really fascinating history and anyone who like you know like Mogi owner or something? There's like twelve people who live there. And I went there several times when I was a kid and I stayed there, once in a cabinet was the creepiest thing ever, but it's like cool like it's a cool creepy, and I don't want to talk to you like. Are you one of twelve people who still lives in this place. You know what I mean like. I think this really cool and I was like I'm going to call it ghost town, and that I can do so many things well, there's already a podcast. Does that so I'm thinking of different ideas I don't know. I don't know if it'll be true crime or not. you know I I think the South West and obviously specifically New Mexico. There's just such a wealth of stories to be told here and so it'll, it'll be focused on. That clung to a degree and I just don't know yet what that'll be, but you know I. Mean I'm storyteller and I? Think there's so I. I'm fascinated by other people's stories and I. Think that this is a great medium to give people a voice and so I I wanNA. Keep being able to do that if I can. That's awesome so what? Did you learn anything that you didn't know before like I. Know that you learned from that. APD officer, yes. Multiple People You know I. Never so there's also an episode that hasn't come out yet. I talked to a professor from UNM. Who Studies the way that serial killers communicate and. I mean it makes sense when you really think about it. But it was another thing and never really thought about he was just talking about the one of the reasons why these cases so weird and different than a lot of other serial killer murder cases, and he also didn't think that it was one person so. Yeah but for this for a different reason he said, what makes this case so hard solve, and we'll continue to make this case so hard to solve and why? He doesn't think it was just one person is No one has ever tried to communicate. They've never reached out to cops. They've never reached out to the media. They've never left clues. They've never tried to guest who I am Kinda thing or see if you can catch me or anything like that, so it's not a traditional serial murder case in that sense of. he was saying something that he's. He teaches communications at UNM and He thinks vice, and you know ABC in a couple of other people had Interviewed him years ago about this case just because they knew that he had done, he had studied serial killers and stuff, but he was telling me that he had reviewed like hundreds of serial murder cases, and this is one of the handful of out of hundreds that he had studied where there was zero communication from the person who's doing the killing with the media or the cops or you know anything like that that. usually if it's a serial killer, they want to engage because they want to try to prove how smart they are like. You can't catch me or I can keep doing this and you can't do anything about it. or they want to get caught really in the ad they want. And, none of that has ever happened with this case. There's no clues. There's no you know there's nothing there's nothing. To people that they have one guy's dead, so there's nothing we can do about it. Now but there's no clues for him. Either it's all circumstantial and then the other guy who is in jail for a number of other heinous crimes. He is adamantly saying that he did do it. And they don't have anything that really other than circumstantial stuff. They don't have anything that really points to the fact that. Yeah, he did it either. Think that. The person or persons responsible yeah are still doing this. I! Don't think they're doing it here. Okay. I think if they are here. I think that they've stopped. I don't or they've stopped for a little while I. Don't think that it's someone who's transient. Though I do think that it is someone or some people who are here and I think that they were that person has stopped for now, yeah! It's just such a spooky rights horrible case. And I just feel so bad for for the families of these women, and and for the women themselves. You know just. The way they were treated in the from the police department to the media to whatever. Just being of like forgotten in and and dismissed just because of the fact that they were sex workers is. I actually not all of them were Nah I know not all of them were yeah, so all of them were but there was a runaway team. She knows she had a history of prostitution as well, but she was a runaway teen, but there was one girl. She was fifteen and she had no history of anything. She happened to be with her cousin. And that was it wrong place wrong time. That's. Yeah, but the majority of the women were were largely just discounted right because of their lifestyle. Yeah, and who's ever doing it knows knows that that or thinks that person as being expendable for that reason. Yeah and you know I mean I hate to say prefer a long time, they. Were right in that. I'm not saying those people were expendable. The mentality was these people were expendable and show. It went on for a very long time. Naza. Ever should have. Had these women been anybody different. Kind of been a rich socialite that was different socialite, if it had been anybody in my group of friends and rear nobody's, but if it had been, can you imagine eleven women that you know personally that you know eleven women that you know. Go missing over a span of six seven years. And you don't really hear anything about it and very few people in the police department. Really pay attention to you, and you don't hear anything about it in the media and you. Nobody you know is talking about it, and no one's saying oh. My God. Did you hear or Oh my God? What happened to this woman Oh you? Isn't this weird? There's eleven women going missing. There's gotta be something going on here. In six years. Eleven women that you know have gone missing. That would not happen. No just would. It would not happen. It wouldn't happen beyond one or two women would never happen with eleven women. Absolutely Absolutely, right. So Lizard I. Not sure I understand this question, so what place would be ideal for that lifestyle outside of the Mesa. What what lifestyle and talking about sex work? Now. Profession? What I'm saying is is. That You know if they are still out there. They're probably. In. This is probably A. Poor, poor. Toys she 'cause I am a teacher, so my profession is a practice. and. It's never been KOMO's the visa. There's no definite way of doing it same as what these people predators, if you will are doing to people so if they're not practicing this lifestyle in the Mesa. You said they could possibly be out there doing it so. What do you think would be their ideal hunting grounds? Oh, I think that they're definitely going after women like this. Just maybe somebody somewhere else. I don't think. This Day or targeting women in a different social class or in a different part of town with different lifestyle. I don't think that they're targeting or even. In a different city, I think that they're very specifically either targeting or these women happened to be a byproduct of. A lifestyle or a group of people who are part of a lifestyle and these women are a byproduct that need to be get rid gotten rid of disposed of yeah, yeah, Wow I! Mean I think that the the idea that you know? Maybe their burial ground moved is is something i. do think that. Maybe hopefully. I don't know this is just me hoping that. Maybe if if the number of women that have went missing then started to go missing now that hopefully they would pay more attention to that. You would hope there's a of things that are in place right now that we're not back then one of the things is safe street. is an organization that exists now, and it is right in the middle of where most of these women frequented. are maybe went missing. It's like. The one that Cynthia the hill started. She's part of it. Yeah, she's part of it and. She from the toy box murders. so she's part of it and is a very tiny tiny nonprofit. That basically has no budget. They have a very very small office and They're right at Wyoming and central. so they're right in the middle of it and they put out a bad guy list every week, Around the women, they put it on their website. They're trying to be more proactive. And they came out of this whole case. Their whole organization came out of this whole case because they felt like nobody was paying attention and they weren't. Nobody was paying attention and so they felt like somebody needed to do something to give these women of voice, but also to let them know that somebody's paying attention and I think that the work that they're doing is amazing, and it's really commendable and and I think you know I would love to believe that the police department is being more vigilant. Because I don't think that they could handle another Pr Yeah I love to say that it's more than a PR move, but I you know I know better I. Don't think they could handle it. I don't care who the women are I don't think they could handle another. Pr Nightmare of like. Hey, look. How many more women went missing, and you still didn't pay attention and it already had before i. don't think that they could handle something like that so I think that they are trying to be more vigilant I you know that's that's Kinda hit. I think they're trying to be more vigilant. I think that they're trying to work with groups like Save Street. I think that they are trying to do more outreach I'm however possible you know. It also depends on who the administration is whether you know the administration who happens to run the city at the time feels like they want a certain type of policing like community policing. Or because one of the big problems that women who are sex workers, whether it was then or now and again you know I. I talked to Lieutenant About this is that? Okay. I'm I'm on the street, and I'm sex worker and I've been beaten up and I've been rapes, but if I go to you are what are you, GonNa do what are you going to arrest me? Because I, know what I just did was illegal, but I don't feel like there's anybody to listen to me and I. Feel like I can't tell you because I'm scared. I'm scared that he's going to come after me. I'm scared. You won't believe the end. I'm scared that you're I'm GONNA. Get in trouble, too. And so I just don't tell anybody. And They're trying to be better about that and so I'll give them. You know props for that. They recognize that that was definitely. That is a fear. I would not say that they are one hundred percent better, but I would say that they're working on it and what he told me it is, he's like well if you look at it this way. Prostitution is a misdemeanor charge. Rape and battery is a felony, so we have to take one in saying okay. This is a misdemeanor, but we're willing to let this go because we have to go after someone who's committing felonies. Well good I'm glad. You know. I'm one hundred percent. No I mean. They still are arresting women on the streets anyway. So there is still fear of cops out there, and that probably depends on the officer to. Hire percent. If an officer has a bias against that. Type of profession than they may react differently to somebody who. Is More I mean. If you're a cop in you, arrest woman who is a sex worker. You're not going to get in trouble for it. Right now if that woman comes up to you and looks like she's been. That you can see, I mean what if she's been raped and you can't see right, and he says well. No, I haven't let. Let's say that the guy is there or whatever I mean. You know that's what one of the things that happened with Lorenzo, Montoya and you know he had been followed by cops to. The airport near the Sun port and he had picked up a woman on central. They followed them to the sun, port. And he had been trying to strangle her and when the COP came up to the car, and he'd been trying to strangle her, and he had hit her several times. You know I mean. He was arrested for a but nothing ever happened to him as a result of it. You know I mean. He didn't serve any jail time he didn't you know whatever and the cop was there and saw it happening and followed them and sat in his car and watched, and then didn't go up to the car for a while to catch them in the act because he was trying to catch both of them. You know so again. I you know I understand that sex work is not legal here I get that, but at the same time. If you create a culture of fear that women feel like they can't report when things happen to them. You now you're also going to add to that. Idea that nobody cares what happens to me. You know and that I am expendable, and you also give more validity to the Predator in thinking that those women are more expendable and that nobody cares. And nobody will listen to you if you tell them anyway. It empowers and emboldens the horrible shit bags that do stuff like this. Get to feel like they can continue to do it without any kind of repercussion in. It's disgusting to Yeah Yeah Yeah and you're right. lizard, which is the lesser of two evils. I mean. I mean in my mind I I don't. I personally think that sex work should be legal. I understand that a lot of people don't feel that way I personally think that sex work should be legal, but also I think that I think if it is going to be a misdemeanor then you have to be willing to hear her out. When she says there's a Predator out there. For sure. For sure and I think that goes for any victim of sexual assault or assault physical assault like. fucking believe the. Believe victims and believe survivors? Yeah, absolutely, have you know what a lot of these women? I don't WanNa. Say the only reason that they're on the street. and I don't know what the statistics are, but I've seen a little bit of FBI Steph a lot of these women. In fact, the greater majority of these women have already been sexually abused at one point in their life. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure that's a high statistic. They're young women trying to survive anybody trying to survive, it's. Yeah I agree with you, Lizard, so so we only have three minutes now I want. You need to take some time to talk about your show talk about where people can find your show and warned formation and all that stuff, because first of all I just wanted to thank you for the work you're doing because it's really important and I'm glad that somebody can dive. Dive in as deeply as you have, and I'm excited to see all the other episodes or listen to all the other episodes. Come Out, give a little plug for your show. Talk about confined you Patriot all that stuff, so I that Patriot Fan dot com slash the Mesa everything that I have is the Mesa so facebook twitter. Everything is the Mesa super easy to remember. and the PODCAST is on. Pretty much I think almost any platform that you. Can you know stitcher spotify I tunes Google podcasts. Anything Really it or you can go to anchor. Dot FM slashed the Mesa. but yeah at patron I have longer format interviews that are uncut with people who I personally think have a lot of really interesting insights that just can get kind of long winded and are harder to include so much of what they say. but are still valid in and I think it's good to get the information that so I'll be putting up. More of those actually in the next coming weeks got a lot of time in my hands now. 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'Doctor Sleep' Writer/Director Mike Flanagan on Reconciling King and Kubrick, Finding Hope in Horror, and Why His Work is Full of Hand Injuries [Interview]

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'Doctor Sleep' Writer/Director Mike Flanagan on Reconciling King and Kubrick, Finding Hope in Horror, and Why His Work is Full of Hand Injuries [Interview]

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash film daily for Friday November eight th two thousand nineteen on today's episode. We're going to be presenting an interview with writer director. Mike Flanagan for the new film with Doctor. Sleep my name is Ben Pearson on the senior writer at Slash Dot Com and I am joined on today's podcast by slash film Managing Editor J.. Paul Hello Hello Jacob. How's it going? It's going good. I'm very excited to sheriff. Mike Flanagan is a really good talker. As you'll soon here yes certainly so I had a chance to to I guess be be present for a brief. QNA that maybe it wasn't so brief. Actually we played the full thing innocent tardy on this very podcast several months ago. Like when the EH teaser trailer for Dr Sleep debuted but you had a chance to actually interview him in person Like a one on one scenario which is really great and I loved listening to this conversation station. I just had a chance to check it out right before we started recording. But why don't you set this up for people at home. Yet you listened to our watercooler podcast a few weeks ago. I talked about how I went to Estes Park Colorado. Oh for doctors. Deep Event and was able to interview Mike Flanagan at Stanley Hotel. Which is where Stephen King thought up the shining so it was a very cool experience to interview him fireside title Odds Hotel and learn shortly before the interview was that He was staying in a room for twenty eight. which is the cowboy room famously haunted room and I had stayed in room for twenty eight tonight for? He arrived so when and if he begins. I'll talk about the haunted room. We'll we'll stay in That's what we're referring to US breaking the ice is by swapping ghost stories. Nice so for people who may be wondering about spoilers. This first part of the conversation is going to be totally spoiler free so well I mean I guess maybe not totally like if you've seen the trailer if you know the premise of the movie it's going to be touching on plot points and stuff like that that you can glean or are clearly displayed within within that marketing materials. So if you want to go into this movie knowing absolutely nothing then certainly go see the movie theaters right now and and then come back and listen but for everybody else. This is a spoiler free zone at least for a while. We'll come back in and interrupt. Conversation to setup spoiler talk a little bit later but in the meantime enjoy Loyd Jacobs conversation with writer director. Mike Flanagan maybe slightly odd question to start with room for twenty eight. Yes I was in the Internet before you arrived live so I think the one time I'll be able to ask to people who've free sleeping room so we got. We got at least a moment. Did you see anything anything or hear anything or feeling odd. While you're in infamous cowboy room I I've not seen the cowboy and the thing I noticed was to win against I against the window and the wall tonight was loud. It was like like a fist punching a wall. Yeah so those noises where we're startling. I didn't anything heard movement. Above me there is no place to for the beat movement. It's true that's nest up so I've stayed there before. Though I stayed the first time I ever say here I stayed really. Yeah so where do I look. I'm a skeptic by nature but I believe in ghosts where do you on the scientists cryptic by nature and I do not yet believe so really but I've wide open. uh-huh any skeptic My mind is wide open to the possibility and I actively seek it out. That's why I asked for rooms like that. You can you think that's part of the thrill of being a hard fan is wanting to find. That's nothing would make me happier on because even if I had a really scary experience to be able to into say with certainty that there is something waiting for us on the other side of this life would be so cool. Yeah I'd like to know that career for me it doesn't feel knowable and I haven't I haven't seen it yet but I know other people Claim to to have an and who am I to to who might argue that interesting doctor. Sleep also has a similar viewpoint about life goes on and and in the world of Doctor Sleep and bats of Stephen King stories be ghost or living living beyond isn't necessarily occurs you there to watch and helped the people you love yes so you talked a little bit about Aw Finding the optimism in your heart you like Stephen King Ultimate Sahar. Even even. It's dark again. I feel like he believed people will persevere. Yes I do I am. I didn't always used to be this way either. And it's funny. Look back at some of my early work and I watch for example. I'm like wow that's bleak like I can assist bleak. Thank you that optimism has has kind of grown has gotten older and I think it it's grown on me because I had children and I want to be optimistic. The mystic for them I want the world to be okay for them and it's because I I my wife in in kind of as my life congealed into a really positive thing for the first time I really I wanted. I wanted to believe in those thanks. I wanted to have faith in existence in the universe and purpose in justice in I wanna believe all of that. It's comforting for my kids. I do not like I can't imagine a world them growing up in a world that is completely indifferent hopeless recipe. I can't I can't let it happen. It's interesting because y'all see that he's working. His he grows more humanistic. This is where it goes on and even created the walking dead Kirkman handed this comic recently. Don't last issue saying his original plan was ended with Humana wiped out but changing opposite enemies is over the years was he had kids and realize he cannot bring to do that so you agree. Theaters are wisdom and in growing older it with Har- like that. Yeah I think so. I agree with that completely You know I think when you look at what has been to do. I think it's a it's a safe space for us to entertain the things that scare us the most as a kid. I used to look at it as a chance to be be brave in short bursts that making it through a scary movie or reading a scary book When I didn't WanNa look at the screen anymore I went to high? Hi My fingers are pillow if I was able to push through that for five minutes for ninety minutes. Whatever it was that was like exercise and I think even darkest expressions of the genre are really kind of a wonderful exercise for us to Cathartic I mean they say when you're really terrified of something happening exposure therapy experience it realized that you know It isn't the end of the world that see how how you react to it. See who you really are the other side of an experience like that. Because there's nothing you you know nothing flimsier than untested virtue. So I think horror is optimistic because it basically says for as dark as scary as it it is. It's going to hit you know and you'll still be here as the viewer. Is the reader you carry on. It's incredible you've spoken before about How Charter Trauma to interact with the card? You because because you never get good shelter to ears you but my real question is pressing question is why are you so afraid of hand trauma because kills my hands hurt so much. It's it's become a running gag now I had so. I have a phobia of fingernail injuries. It's the most kind of uncomfortable thing I can imagine. Listen and innocuous seam we're very pulls off its thumbnail. Yeah I I still haven't been able to watch the whole thing I can't it was a reshoot. It was a last minute addition to the movie. I was against it because I'm so uncomfortable with it and I can't look at it but with high ash. Hush Josh was kind of in a lot of ways. It was me feeling like I was never going to be able to make Gerald's game kind of riffing on a lot of things and and you know the crushing hand injury and that was just right for that story. It was also kind of Gerald's game me but I didn't have a vendetta against hands dance then with Gerald's game okay. Now it's starting to feel like a vendetta and then with ponting Henry stuck his hand in the fan he's like you're starting to do this on purpose and in Doctor Sleep. That's what happens to her. Hand the buck. It gets pretty mangled but I was like here. We Go L. again like at this point. It's just becoming dare like how can I get a really gruesome hand injury in there. What do they what do they do for anyone? Nothing it's just kind of fun to strengthen Gore got is. We don't know what it's like ever had ripped off by a mass killer. We've all staffing all. You have a hangnail. No hands feel like creates a little too far tiny. Little Tear happens all how that feels in it because we use our hands for so much of our lives you an injury to those. It's it's really frightening to me. It's is enhanced. Yeah like having any impediment to cyber for being able to manipulate. That scares me to death. We bump each other on the tram last night. I said the same thing that you hear about. I want to get it on our quarter. Good is that doctor sleep by returning to many of the ideas imagery of original novels adding in addition to being a sequel Kubrick's film Ed Records Policy. What saying Kubrick's Worldview is resumed and actually review is no so? I want to talk about the process of saint cubic. We're also know putting Stephen King's proper vision out there in front of people for the first time. Yeah and that was one of the things episode kind of exciting to me about this was being able to to do the ending of the shining to do the ending of the novel. But I think in in that I don't know if I put it on Kubrick in to say hey that he's got this kind of we're all doomed. I don't know that I can speak to his his worldview than that definitively what I will say is that the shining is is very much about addiction do you know about annihilation. And destruction destruction of the family. How how diction can destroy individual? And how distraction can reach out to destroy others around and then I think that's what in King was writing it up. I don't know that he always you always had this note of redemption and sacrifice to. He had this wish how would go and Kubrick was more interested in the madness. He was more interested in the distraction for sure Dr Sleep written by the same author but with decades canes sobriety under his belt Doctor Sleep is about recovery in the way that addiction feels like doom in violation. Recovery is rebirth birth and recovery is you know is salvation in a way I I think there are two sides of the same point stories in and I think Kubrick you know gravitated very naturally toward certain notes of of that story in clearly Stephen King I think desperately wanted the redemption and is he needed it for itself and we need it for his own family and when that wasn't included in the movie I think he took that personally I understand why he would. I think that's why he's so passionate about it but it's ten to finally be able to give him that in this story it was. It was an honor to be able to do that. I hope they were also able to honor Stanley Kubrick and the masterpiece of cinema that he made because you know as as as many liberties took with it he made a film that has profoundly. Formed me yeah and has shaped the way I see see cinema and we'll always and so that was. The hope is not to say this was writing. This was wrong. This is the real shining. Because isn't it was more to try to pull all of that together and and celebrate all of it all right. So that's all we have for the spoiler free section but Jacobs conversation continues for a little while. Well what do people need to know about this Yes I've managed to have one more question so as you get to here I am. I really asking for a word bomb because I wouldn't have a chance to ask ask follow ups but this is really smart interviewed tactic by the way he talks for like way longer than he would for just a typical one last question you know situations Asian for sure of the WB representing the doorway to staring at But this is where we begin In a pretty big seen That is not featured in a trailer. So if you don't want any spoilers this is your chance to back out on a countdown from five. They're talking about spoiler so there's five four three two one. Hey Ben Welcome to the zone. Hey what's up So if you still listening have not seen doctor sleep. I need to set up some things so you can understand what we're talking about which is late in the film Dan Torrance with McGregor goes to the Overlook Hotel which was abandoned and had to see the bar. You're in the bartender. Is the ghost of his father. Jack Torrance played by Henry. Thomas an actor who is still widely known as a kids meet t but it actually go into interesting character actor who's been in most of my Flanagan's movies as a really powerful scene where grew up in Torrance Libby grapples with with his ghosts and literally in the form of his dead father. WHO's offering a drink and you know? His father was alcoholic and dentists recovering alcoholic as a communist stashing seen In probably the movies third act is probably the weakest part film but I think the scene is kind of amazing. It is conceptually for me. I found it a little distracting. That they didn't use. This is one of those weird instances where I kind of wish they would've used a digitally de aged version of character and I'm normally kind of against that in practice but something about the way that this scene plays out. I wish that I don't know I. It took me out of the movie a little bit. While at the same time I can admit and acknowledge knowledge that it is Maybe like the emotional crux of the entire thing. It's it's a very important powerful scene and it makes so much sense on the page. I'm just is not. I think I think you and I are probably a little bit separated on whether or not the the effect works as intended but y did you love the choice to not use a digital version of Jack. Nicholson here as flagging in the in the interview. Here They they were really worried about you know somebody playing Jack. Nicholson somebody playing yourself. Jack Torrance So I think bypassing the actor who was made up to look distinctly like how we remember tackles looking in the shining instead of you know being executive that they avoid the uncanny valley situation of being a digital hollow thing instead instead. We're allowed to appreciate okay. That's and that's Jack Torrance But as you'll hear in the clip it was conversation. They they did talk about you. Know other options and Trevor macy. The producer producer in separate interview. I did which he also be on. The site Discusses how they did wonder. Will you possibly could tackle backhand at the gym but that didn't come because Nicholson is firmly retired and they had to go with a real actor but I think we'll flanagan explain Wayne if this point don't you yes all right. So here's the remainder of your conversation with Mike. Flanagan is one. I'll wait to put up. Avenues outsource anybody. I didn't talk about the. Ah The best thing in the movie from my money. Thank you so that you feel that way I want to. I want to hear everything about about how casting Henry Thomas about trying to make sure he was Jack Torrance injustice. I'm just being prepared. Just give me the word vomit about this you got. This was the scene that convinced even king to let us go back to overlook it was. That was my whole pitch. I said I WANNA go back to the overlook he said No. I don't want to go back to the overlook. Did that very intentionally and I said but imagine if you will. Dan Towards walking through the overlook alone comes to the bar where drink is waiting in the bartenders there. The bartender is his father if they talk. And that's what made him say. Okay I would like to see that That was the whole reason. I wanted to make the film now. I knew immediately it was going to be the most controversial scene in the movie because of Jack Nicholson and there was no interest on my part in. I'm doing digital Jack. The technology review out in this about Dan. It's not about Jack there so it became about. How do we best present Jack Torrance? We're using the KUBRICK visual language. Everything else so it's gotta be someone we recognize as Kubrick's torrents but that doesn't necessarily mean Jack. Nicholson the same way. We approached Wendy into Keller in Vani the mission was try to cast actors. Who remind us of this performance? But who aren't doing a parody in part doing it imitation. Henry is one of my best friends when my favorite actors to work with a- and I called him up two parts. I think it'd be perfect for this. One is billy. He's the best friend part. You can play it in your sleep. You've done it a million times. Is You know that part the other one need you for one day Holy Shit microscope and let them think about it and he came back he said. Look if you're if you're stepping into Kubrick's shadow with all the pitfalls of that I'll go with you and I'll step into jacks and we'll sink or swim together got it and so what we did with it. Was We decided that Kubrick had shown US had handled Jack with delbra grady. He had made it clear that when the hotel digestion suggestion in your part of the hotel. Del always denied who was he was just a waiter. You know even as Jack Torrance called amounts is your job greater. You killed your family's stake in for someone else. I'm just the help and that was the key to Jack if as long as we weren't ever trying to to do here's Johnny and we weren't ever trying to do. Nicholson it as most. Nicholson no one's capable of doing that. If he was Lloyd you know then. That was the scene in. Henry's whole mission was. I don't play Jack. I played Lloyd and now and again here and there for a sentence or two or look or moment jack comes out a little bit and that keeps us. It was the most respectful way we could think to do it. That way kept us out some crazy digital oh creation it kept us out of trying out. Nicholson Nicholson which is just a fool's errand. It kept us out of doing you know some kind of Pale imitation or Perry in let us do Jack Torrance. In a way that was consistent with allergy Kubrick create consistent isn't with the iconography of Look Kouba created but was still heavy scared and I know people are going to have strong feelings feelings about it I do too. I walked down every possible road and this was the only one that felt appropriate. And I love the seen as my favorite scene in the movie and we knew three issue in Henry and I knew we sat down to do it. It's like you know we're not going to please people with this. People are GonNa love it or hate it. Let's do our best to make a scene about. What a conversation between Dan and his dad in the sense Dan in his own addiction? What the conversation would be if we do right Dan to write everything else so I hope you did? You did all right so there. You have it Jacob any closing thoughts before we go. If you want to read these interviews one from Flanagan that you just heard is written up on the site right right now. SLASH DOT COM I separate with producer Trevor macy. He's produced almost all of my Flanagan's Projects is also on the site on Monday and putting together their quotes about the a big Jack Tour and seeing together for feature that combines both their point of views on how that scene came to be and then are you and Chris going to be writing a sort of a joint piece together about Dr Sleep. Sleep as well Chris I are collaborating on a joint spoiler of you. I can't promise ready but hopefully early next week. Awesome all right so look forward to that and you can find more about Dr Sleep at slash home dot com linked inside. Today's show notes slashed on dailies published every weekday. Bring you the most exciting news from the world of movies and TV as well as deeper dives into the great eight features you can find on the site you can subscribe to the show on Itunes Google. PODCASTS overcast spotify all the popular PODCAST APPS and send your feedback questions. COMMENTS AND CONCERNS EARNS TO US AT PETER AT SLASH DOT com. 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763: TOPO's Senior Sales Analyst on How You Should Adjust Your Sales Messaging During COVID-19, with Dan Gottlieb

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763: TOPO's Senior Sales Analyst on How You Should Adjust Your Sales Messaging During COVID-19, with Dan Gottlieb

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Lately at the end of this last quarter and in some cases completely ponting completely pausing or having this extra hurdle at the end to decide whether or not this is actress in that we should be working on. Hi Friends. Welcome to the sales enablement podcast. I'm your host. Andy that was Dan. Gottlieb bans a senior analyst for Tokyo. Sales Marketing Advisory Firm. That is now part of Gartner. And today he's joining me on this episode of sales enablement to talk about Tokyo's recommendations for how you should adjust your sails messing for the covert nineteen era. They'll starts with developing a true understanding. What customers are going through now and capturing the juxtaposition between the rules and goals before and after the Kobe? Nineteen work from home. Policies went into place. We'll dig into. Why your messaging during this time requires nuance empathy insights and value before? Forget the Damn I wanNa let you know that also worked to produce this. Podcast are incredibly grateful for all the healthcare professionals on the front lines of this battle against Cova nineteen. If there's one thing that each of us can do to help them in this fight it is to do everything. We can to reduce the number of new cases that come to the hospitals. Now I've cabin fever just like everyone else so when you go outside wear a mask be conservative others remember. We're all in this fight together all right. Let's jump into it. Dan Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me a pleasure. So where are you? Sheltering I sheltered in San Francisco in the city about three blocks away from Golden Gate Park now. Do you get out to the park and walk these days or staying inside. I do brave the outdoors as on a beautiful sunshiny afternoon. Sometimes I do an excellent job of keeping my distance walking in the middle of the field on the sidewalk side just by indeed sometimes in a breath of fresh air I will say those are my favorite parts of my days. Yeah Yeah So. I've been inside for almost two weeks now other than a grocer onto trader. Joe's two weeks ago. But I think we're going again tomorrow. Because Mothers Hubbard Cupboard is is getting pretty bare as one of these days. I really wish I had a balcony ads. It's Unfortunately in our building their own balconies terraces as they say and in New York. So Yeah yeah but it's the streets are empty. What the city San Francisco that city the city over here. It's my wife will go so one of the one of the City community college buildings is just walk walking. It's completely empty and my wife will take a lounge chair like one of those classic chairs and she'll just go sit outside on the sidewalk in read sometimes mask on like Aladdin's like full on Just to just not be inside. Sometimes unabated Wa. Yeah I think on my balcony. Yeah I I think I'm on my third iteration of masks. I'm trying to side what to wear when I go out and I've got the Bandanna now they say the bananas Bandannas good and ordered some face some other things like whatever. It's a new wave of fashion right. Maybe I can be the next thing that we go into well. Here's the next way right in. You may be right though. But here's the thing. Think about it. So we're having this conversation somebody else this morning. Okay they say it's okay fly fly again would you but if you do would you think well maybe I should? Maybe I should go up right. I mean how how. How long's IT GONNA take to feel comfortable to go out in public without that? I definitely think I'm GONNA be rethinking. Do I have to travel for this half day workshop? For this event I mean from cult. You know I think you're gonNA see a Lotta people is going to be a lot harder. The cavalier folk the folks that had a hard time staying inside anyways they're going to be ready to plough back outside right. They're going to be the. Yeah but but but you know a lot of us even standing next people in line to the grocery stores. That's going to be an adjustment like. Are we ready to get a yard apart? Let alone you know right next to each other. Well you've lived near so you're familiar with what I'm about says. Is You know my wife? And I were out for a walk a couple of weeks ago and being very conscious about social distancing and were not really even together a few feet behind me off to my right and we're just sort of walking and this young woman we're going past the entrance to an apartment building in Europe. People plow apartment buildings right on looks at oncoming traffic. You just jump out into traffic. And she was very lightly traveled at that time just my wife and I but she comes out and turns and sees us and she literally jumps in the air and it was like. Oh yeah things have really changed. Yeah I find myself on Monday. Side people walk by. Turn my back on them. Totally my my wife and I when we go on a walk. Sometimes you know she. She'll be like James Bond with their back against the garage door and down the street just to make sure that she's staying away from six and I I thought to myself. How ridiculous is that but then I realized this is what's required know this this is what's required and I have to get over meat. Had to have had a moment where I was like. My insecurity is the reason. I'm not staying apart from people so I got. I put my back against the garage door. Well I'm with you this. This is what we got. This is what we do. Now we step out onto the streets and so the other New York laughing about a couple of weeks ago we were out is is in Manhattan for Shaer's is every business. There's the metal grates that covered the steps. Going down to the basement and there was a to walking over those things and people stare around them on the walking. So you think you're have six feet on Sunday but they walk into your your lane so they go around those things because they're afraid of falling down the basement not that everyone anyone ever has other than somebody in a cartoon. Sometime but yeah. We're all adjusting so anyway. Well we're going to talk about how to gesture. Sales Messaging Four era or if not this error for say. Whatever how we define the Sarah's this you know Durham during the crisis as post-crisis what does that look like. What do you need to do so I guess the first question is has an era really the right term? It's like how long has an era you know how do I? How do I get through this month is is I think one of the first questions it? We're going to start much more immediate but I think that the safe way to look at it is how do I message. How do I create engagement in this environment? And that's that's I think the question a lot of sellers are trying to figure out the answers to you right now and you know. Everyone has changed. Their life has changed in some way shape or form. The degree which impact of that is is going to be difference Across the where you are in society both geographically obviously omically. It's going to vary based on the kind of work that you do. That feels like a yet up but you know I saw a funny funny meam inside. There's only four kinds of employees now. There's the mega rich zoom users. The frontline the frontline heroes and the unemployed right and that frequently resonated have it really does. Yeah yeah right if frequently resonated so so that's I think it's all about making sure you understand what you're really trying to do here right and and for us it's about helping our clients understand that your goal is now to engage in a relevant way in order to figure out. If there's any way you might ever be to possibly sell right and I think that's I think that's a perfect summation of it right. I think that that there's too much within sales of this res- residual Macho Bro-. Hey pound call just pound calls this we still got a pound calls and it's like no that's really tone deaf in so many ways and understand you're playing to a certain audience but the fact is your point is that I have to do is understand where engage understand where the customer sits because there's very few businesses unless they're investing to support the transition to work from home and almost all cases especially with people anticipating. We're run into a recession here on the backside of this is every is reevaluating dollars. A tight companies. I've spoken a number of companies yet. We're we`re. We're not sure what we're doing right now. So we're not GONNA do anything for the meantime until we start figuring out what's happening but we we've seen several clients. We were a lot of different sales tech benders and Martin vendors. And they're telling us that they have never seen so many CFO CIO cro's inner intervening at the end of the sales process. Lately at the end of this last quarter and in some cases completely ponting company pausing or having to you know this extra hurdle at the end to decide whether or not this is actually that we should be working on right now. So yeah. That's that's just a tiny little snapshot of what's changing. Yeah and I think even with those people but they've got something that needs to be fixed as in a strategy I recommend but you see companies doing anyway. It's like yeah we are going to order some put an order for one hundred seats now. We're really need ten right now. This is ten that are really crucial. Let's do the ten burned the furtherest. Exactly exactly yeah. But if you don't engage in the right way upfront. You'RE GONNA lose that opportunity so you talking in your material about this is really going through exercise which I think is really useful of creating that messaging because I think a lot of times. It's Ron Somebody who's written books and Rights for a living with blog. And so on as you WanNa clarify your thinking and you wanna be able to say okay does look right does sound right. Is You? Put it down on paper and exactly and there's this unspoken reality amongst a lot of sellers right now. They're just uncomfortable with the tools they have and the training that they have approaching and selling the way that they're used to. I mean it just. It's just discomfort awkwardness. I don't I don't want to do the right now. And their experience met you know especially inside sales teams. That are used to doing this in bullpens. They get energy from each other right now at home by themselves. Having to experience this right think every day. Oh yeah and they're having to be two point. You bring up when you talk about doing this exercises. They're having to have a level of empathy that quite frankly they've they've never had to show before and and it's really key and we talk about empathy lot sales. It's a cliche lip service more than anything. Most people think that if they're given a persona by the client they understand that person therefore have empathy for them which they don't but we're we're in this unique situation though. Where if you if you understand that empathy is really about understanding why someone feels the way they do. You've never had more common ground with somebody than at any other time in your life the opportune gauge as a human which we don't train people on to engage on a human level somebody because you have this shared experience. Everybody's at home I I would love to get into the content in a second but you know it reminds me of the the word that comes to mind is that it's as egalitarian experience. And what it's turning into what it's totally turning into right now is I'll never forget when I lived in Brooklyn New York. New York is not the kind of place where you smile and high five and ask every single neighbor of yours. How they're doing the just have too many of them figure that out. You know you and so I'll never forget. It was a blizzard. Maybe it was two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen and My roommate was like I'm GonNa go shelter this out with my with my girlfriend and I was by myself and I was like. I don't want to do this by myself so I call my buddy lived. All the way up in Green Point I was. I was in Williamsburg. And he's come on over. We're here hanging out. Please come over and it was to get bad so I said I'm just going to strap stuff and I'm going to go hike mile and a half in the snowstorm to my friend's house and I will never forget how every single person I saw we were waving to each other. We were talking to each other. We were like how crazy is this. I never had an experience like that except for in New York City ever. I don't think I'll ever have it again or I stopped and acknowledge every single Neighbor that I saw and in many ways this is this is a global phenomenon of the same proportion and so I think this is the thing that really struck me as they say. Okay if we're going to put together our messaging strategy at has to start with that you make a human connection so when you start start saying okay well how addressing this person. That's like well. Gosh you have all these questions that come to mind. You know if you're if you have grade school age kids. Yeah how's The online education going here? You're getting homework done as projects getting done. You can start for a laundry list of things that will lead into a conversation about business. But people want to relate on that level to begin with and it's not something that will necessarily go away should not go away once we serve. Start passing through into what we consider the new normal to be or the new rally to be. Hopefully it's a massive lesson for sellers. I completely you know one thing. That's very important for a lot of salaries that might be listening to this or pay attention to this is that shouldn't you shouldn't go at this all by yourself. You know this. There's a lot of things you can control within an organization. How do you figure out what the relevant topics are about your buyers? Historically we've relied on wire persona messaging historically we've relied on You know our product marketing team to give us insights. Sometimes we rely on our personal experience in what we know about our market Sometimes we will practitioners before we went into sales and You know the the profession that I think is the most important for sellers to try and emulate right now is journalists. Start with your relationships. Just start with experts that you know people that you know in your market that can just tell you. Here's what I got going on And then as an organization. Behave like a newsroom. You know setting up channels in your your internal slack or teams or whatever you use where you're literally just providing these real time updates and And creating this self building library of insights were all you're doing is just getting that knowledge out as quickly as you can and then once you have you. Can you can validate right. Hey Look I've been talking for reaching out cold to a prospect stranger. You've never heard of before you know. You don't WanNA use empathy on like along. The lines of my family is safe. Of course you hope. My family is safe. I hope you would not hope that my family is so you can kind of skip towards the more of that business oriented. Hey look like I understand. You might be going through having to think about how to completely re instrument your team for the next three to six months or that you might be considering whether or not you should bring your team back to the office by you can use the insights to have a much more relevant conversation. So we've been telling. A lot of our sellers are clients that we work with that. Think about engagement first engagement over discovery you will just start a conversation and then from there you know you can learn a lot more and I make sure I understood your credit. I mean I I would. I would not skip the small talk about the things that are personal ever ever ever ever because I think at first of it's to give the love personal level of comfort with you when you then make the transition to say. Oh okay this guys kind of interested in me and I'm therefore interested him or her so yeah. I'm more likely to answer more fully on this next question. We tend to. There's this trend and hopefully down see it stop here but there's been this trend to serve say Les Dismiss that Small Talk Part. I and I think the way sellers have to understand what happens. Is that everything builds on the preceded in sales. And so somebody may still talk to you even though you didn't necessarily do the greatest job at personal engagement level. They may still talk to you. But there's a lot of reasons. People may still talk to you which you don't understand as you're on a weaker foundation and maybe you're in third place so you really have to pay attention to everything each step along the way and so engagement starts yet started the personal business Not these spend forever. No one. Snow has interest spending twenty minutes talking about homework with the kids. But find that thing. If you do a little work ahead of time you'll know completely. And there's so much ex factor in weather. Not Someone has kids where those kids are in life whether they're at home or not you know and I think it's been very interesting to watch the folks that are at home with young kids. Find an escape through work you know. I I have. I have a colleague They're an account manager. And you know they're on the east coast almost round the west coast and we're like that. Isn't it like eight o'clock there? He's like. Yes but this is a very important call right now. My stepdaughter's a child adolescent psychiatrist and so they're doing sessions remotely and were in the office. The mother will sit in the waiting room. The kid will come in and spend time bomb. Set some nonsense sealer. They're out of there for an hour. Just Yeah You occupy the skip. Because they've been all over me for the last eight hours so yeah yeah it's very interesting and so I don't envy people have School age kids that are home or in preschool kids. That are trying to get all this work done. It's it's amazing that they are able to to get it done because I remember those days than yeah wouldn't been tough so all right so we're talking about engagement Talk about Understand the person's goals that you're talking to so what what do you think about them? So that that that's always been a high level vague idea that. I think every has been told in one way. Forty five shapes or forms throughout their careers. Right the key is is understanding in trying to get to a point where you can have a much more thoughtful. Conversation about what's shifted. You know a lot of organizations. What they care about has completely changed over the year. Twenty twenty planned the model. That you use All of the all of the assumptions that you've made for your plan this year. They're all out the window there. Almost you know there is no opportunity. Conversion benchmark during a pandemic right that exists so as a result of that. I think it's it's it's been fascinating to watch. How quickly organizations can get to this point of understanding. What are the what of actual imperatives? Not just to survive the next month. But how has this business What are the next three to six months going to look like what kind of change management is coming downhill from there? You know we we've been talking about how if you're going to get a deal done really the only way. You'RE GONNA get a deal done as if you're connecting value of what you're providing to some one of those mission critical priorities and that you find a person that's been deputized to address that And and so understanding how to ask those questions early has never been more important. Both from helping the person that you're talking with understand if this is worth their time And to make sure that right you're honing in on the thing that matters. What do you have suggestions on how to ask that? Yeah I so the digestion. 's right if if you have information from some of your past customers that's probably one of the most useful way it's like we've seen a few businesses that are trying to change the way that they're thinking about out instrument their teams right that relevant. Yeah no not rather than just asking these kinds of questions in a flat open ended trying to demonstrate that. Hey I I've been trying to figure this out and I'm trying to figure out what's relevant to you Building on the idea like you said a minute ago that everything happens based on what happened before right right. So the more Journalists like presentation of insights. From what you've been seeing from your customers and the more relevant they are the better the more likely you're going to be to learn. Well that's interesting that AH that companies trying to think about it like that. But here's how we've been deputized to figure this out right We need to create. If you're selling sales tax sales team you know that was interesting part and I might layer it slightly differently in the way of asks instead of referencing that. Hey We've been talking a lot of customers and this is what they're seeing. I would I would start by trying to include them in the effort and saying we're in the process of talking to our customers to try to understand what's going on and what's important. What are you seeing and then they'll say Dada and then you say well that's interesting because we've been talking this company and this company and this is what they've seen then you can engage that in but I think it's it's more engaging for them to say I want your opinion. I not that I talked these other people. Now what you think but I love that. It's the spirit of the entire concept. Is You're collaborating with them. On on idea as you're bringing into the table is the inside of your from Your Team. That newsroom bright and I love that That's that's a great optimization and another way to serve think about a two for people that are listening as as to think about when you when you say that and they come back with With the what we're seeing is two types of questions. I believe to ask that are served macro and micro macro levels. What's interesting so what's impact going to be on your company of this and then what's impact on you when you get to the U. Level. Then open that are find while maybe it's not me that's really. The impact is really need. Talk to the Nancy over the other department. She's the one that's really going to be hidden carrying the water on this well. Okay no-go Nancy or if it is this person then they start opening up saying well. Yeah it's interesting because I'm trying to figure that out right now jeeze. How can I help you with that? That resonates in in that. It is a highly more collaborative approach to the initial conversation. Right or just working with an identifying. Where is this? What has your next. Three To? Six months shifted If those you know when we're We're thinking about this idea of adding value. You know you have to focus on extreme value. And that's going to be the way that you do. That is by honing in on only the things that are going to be both relevant to this person and it's got to be the one thing you know you can't you can't paint this huge big ideal vision for all the things you're going to change because that's just not true. Yeah I think it's really interesting. You brought that up because this is I think is the lesson for again people listening Dan. You have to identify that one thing. The point is there's always only just one thing not just now for ever right right and if this helps you get better at finding that one thing. That's of extreme value that then. This is a great exercise to go through to help you do that. Because I share the example of of early in my career sign this good sized computer system to a company in Fairfield California big construction coming out in the bear in East Bay and they ran us through the ringer on this thing boy. We are peas and big compliance Matrix and we had to demonstrate does for accounting for a good sized construction company and we had to demonstrate all the modules A. R. A. P. Payroll Billing Job Cost Accounting Blah Blah Blah Blah. It was exhausting we ultimately one and remember Donald me a few months after they started implementing it in six months in their pre fully implanted. At least I thought it was. I go out. And they're only running one module a billing much. Frank what's going on here? He said well. This is why we want to buy at. The rest was nice. This are one thing this has happened and they were really happy. Oh they're extremely happy. Extremely in this happened to be numerous times in my career before. I finally got smart enough to say okay. What's the one thing? And so I think. In this era you you highlighted perfectly. Which is there is one thing that's more important than all the others. Find that one thing and find the one person who to your point earlier as well. Who's responsible for that one thing and then having those conversations? Yeah we call that person the deputy deputy okay. I like that I mean that's just that that is that is the key lesson whether it's now or whenever when you're selling as you've discovery you have to find that one thing that it's an big picture in that you know this is accelerating these practices becoming norm. I think we've been talking about this for a long time heels anyways but there's a whole generation of myself very much included. Who has never? We've all been selling in learning how to sell in this gluttonous period of extreme gross. No an I know I know. Lucky us very lucky but now in a month the stakes have completely changed and as a result I this idea isn't just a nice to have idea it's GonNa be a how the only way you're able to make it through but this is really big nuanced change. That's happening at the front and it's this idea of you know we've been taught about gets right. Qualifying discovery is treated as this tips and tricks. Kind of experience you know every seller thinks they're sly Fox's when they're like so tell me a little bit about who else is involved in the JIG is the. Jig is up on this and that we have to be willing to give and give and give without expecting much in return in order to learn about the one big thing right now. I have an example. You know we have We have so we have a client. They are South talk about tricky. Sell software to healthcare systems specifically collections optimization. Talk about a yes. And so essentially they've they've basically like paused a lot of selling right now but they are only focusing on turning their sellers into like value. Add resources around. They've literally turn them into a journalist and the only thing that they're even meeting with these folks on our schering a mini assessment templates that they can use to figure out whether or not they actually needs to think about their collections processed differently for post. Cova you know And so that's an example. They're just giving giving giving giving there's no expectation of getting anything in return and I think that's going to be really hard from a messaging standpoint for a lot of sellers tonder stance right. Because it's so counterintuitive bounced. Yeah well served taking as you're talking struck me as it's like you have to look at more of your opportunities even if you're a little more transactional you have to look at more of your opportunities like major accounts for what you're doing is you're investing the time to help them in this. This is an area of focus. I think that the going to be difficult from sell. Some sellers is to help them. And you brought this up as help them decide not decide but choose how they want to solve the problem that they've got And unfortunately we tend to train sellers these days. If you look at decision making two steps is pickle. I choose how they want to solve the problem second. They then decide who they want to solve it with. Is We orient our training in our focus and our processes oftentimes on helping our sellers. Just trying to focus on that decide after the customer's always serve chosen. How they want to solve it. And if you're on the outside looking in when the customer says well this disorder defined. This is how we're gonNA find how we want solve this problem. Then you're in a tough spot. Us compete on price and delivery at that point. And so what you're talking about before really is this. Yeah you have this opportunity now especially if somebody's pause something that was in the works especially if you weren't really in the running before is to come back in and say how can we help you solve this problem. Let's look at what the problem is a transall. Have you made thought about this? You provide you insights still but challenger and if you can be that that person that says look they're gonNA ultimately end up basing their vision of what they're going to buy based on what our solution is then. You've turned that into winning position. Yes and what I love about. It is how you're turning it into a winning position and how you used the promotion ship that you establish to do that. Even if it's actional adding extreme value doesn't have to be the one thing like the big issue it doesn't have to be honing in on that one issue. You could start in a much simpler way. Sure got an example. A sales enablement technology vendor sales enablement. Very busy right now as a as a very busy but one thing that groups big issues. I've got worldwide worldwide training sessions that we got him now running. Virtually and we've gotTA figure out not only how to adjust cove it to the cova post of ED economy. We also have to find out of virtual right deliver this virtually to salesforce o five hundred plus people and by the way we have to help with. Qbr's bright right all while this is going on and so you know we have the. There's just giving their sales reps this tool how to run a virtual keep yard so this this reaching out to enablement people saying like hey let me just set up in time to show you how to do that You could start small to get the engagement. You're you're creating reasons but this requires sellers to be dynamic Dynamic enough to deliver that kind of a presentation and not ask for anything in return Disciplined enough to focus on helping and not asking for anything in return and that's extremely counter intuitive but the information comes up it's an it's impossible for it not ought to come up right when you're helping along those lines. Yeah the difficulty. I think that that we see in these days. So and because it's a difficult to the exist prior to to the coffee crisis is the situation. You describe the biggest bear to make that happen is management because more about that. Well because these. Are you know my opinions? And observations through. Yeah seven hundred. Eighty seven episodes of the show and talking to hundreds and hundreds of people in companies. Is that you know one of the one of the artifacts of the way that we we bring technology into. Sales is that. We really haven't trained people how to use the data in the most efficient effective way. And so you know if you try to bring a nuanced sales approach into what is oftentimes especially in. Sass environment brute force sales management ethos. There's going to be conflict and so this is going to be a challenge for companies and is a challenge for this coming real time now are dealing with us. Yeah I do I. How do I manage? This does need to be more value. Be Quite frankly is accept the fact that my customers are gonNA. They're they're slowing down it. That's why the recession's going to because every slowing down in turn unavoidable. So how how do you? How do you work with your sellers as a manager that wants to hit your number companies? Hit a number whatever that number. That number is undoubtedly changed in the last last month. But you still have a number you wanna hit is is how do you mesh these two together and I think yeah messaging to the customer notwithstanding as this becomes really one of the big issues because people remote to your point earlier than not in the bullpen or they get the group effort and the group think and the speed of Corn Camaraderie and sharing of best practices. All that much more difficult now. In harder I bring this full circle. What you just said resonates deeply For a few reasons so the first one is that you know we think about in this. Is this dramatic being hyperbolic? We were talking about this. You know in the in as we're getting warmed up for the for the recording here vocal exercises during our yes. Yes yes I was a theater kid by the way so that you know. Also big black bug bled blueblood amazing amazing red leather. Y'All make sense red leather yellow leather. That's a classic absolutely classic. I still sometimes do that before before speaking engagements and training on anyways so as we were finishing our exercise we were talking about. Reinvention and reinvention is Is Org wide? It's it's everywhere it's in process it's individuals it's in our management strategy and unfortunately but a leaders are asking themselves a bright group right. Is this the right group of people that I need to lead right now and I think that that's going to be? It's a really tough reality for sales managers in that regard but the second reason why it resonates is that there's this growing wave in sales tax and sales anyways. That was happening before this before this. It's just going to accelerate it and that was this. Cultural sales has been evolving because sales tech has been creating unprecedented transparency. You think about forecast you know. Historically the it was very subjective. Here's my commit. Here's where I'm at what happened in the last meeting. Well let me tell you what happened in the last meeting will that subjectivity. That would go into the forecast would come back down well. I think that you'd be able to go find much more. I think you're able to go figure out so just go figure it out that that That has been I think every seller has can think of an experience. They've had like that right. That right there is a lot of time where the breakdown tends to happen but what. Sales Tech is introducing is unprecedented transparency. Conversation recordings I have a whole library of them now. I don't need to tell you what happened here. It is raise what happened and so that does two things it. The first thing it does is it is it is. It puts a lot of pressure on sellers to try to navigate these conversations. The Right Way But it puts a lot of pressure on managers to ric completely rethink. How they're managing their teens. How THEIR COACHING THEIR SHEETS? Other leading their there so You know that's offering in a whole new wave of sellers. That crave feedback managers. That really want to get feedback. The completing their schedules to provide feedback and other. We're all inside sellers This is there is a big demand for these kinds of tools to rethink how we're interacting with each other at ten so All these variables combined are creating this cocktail. That is potent. That is putting a lot of pressure on sales profession to rethink how we lead set expectations older jobs accountable and I think that's the long-term could to be a good thing for the Prussian. Oh no I agree. I mean I think that the I see several things one is is that this is going to help. People get sensitized. The fact that as we bring more tech into sales is that the human aspect of it becomes more important not less because as you bring more technology into a certain aspects of your selling process become less differentiated and stones differentiations. GonNa come from the humans. I think the other thing was putting pressure on and I like to kid sales tax. Ceo's when I say this when they come on the show is like yeah. We've had this unprecedented wave of sales technology into sales over the last five ten years yet if you read. Cfo insights reports sales performance B. B. is dropping year over year so fast. The correlation must be sales sales people stupid Which is not the case. But but I think that we still are fundamentally illiterate when it comes to how we use the tools in the information we get from it and I think Matt is that I think is the big the big wave you know. Data literacy is horrible among sales. But we get this data and you just have to read some of the vendors out there that put out those parts. We studied six million calls. And and you're supposed to do X. and it's like well. No that makes no sense whatsoever. I mean statistically. It's horrible math. I mean it's just you serve and it's like we're doing ourselves big disservice. If we put that out there and think that it's true so I think we have this obligation in the profession to increase our data literacy and understand how to use these tools to actually improve performance right bringing back to the nuance messaging You know we have. We have transparency into the voice. The town the rhetoric of the customer that we and I think that's that's the big difference that didn't exist before and interactions right that that From the data I completely agree with you. I completely agree with you. How do we start spending the same amount of time listening to what are prospects have been telling us and reevaluating that smart of our engagements with our with our between assailed sellers and managers? That's just as just as similarly important parallel to the but well that'll be it's. It's be another episode that you have to get into on that because it is one of my. My passion projects this whole idea of performance in sales. You know it's it's we're good at. I think to some degree of giving basic competence and sales but we are bad at managing performance. And it's across the board and especially and there's lots of examples of relevant examples that we could learn from that that we need to like even some professional sports teams and how they managed top top performers and then understanding really productivity and sales. Because I think that ramp that boils down into a lot of other facets of selling and and we don't have a standard definition of what productivity means. I think this is this. Is WE COME? Hopefully this as you said as we rethink our processes and everything this has got to be one thing to really tackle is really understanding what this means and sales and again a whole nother conversation. We can have on that but Yeah well Dan unfortunate. We got a jump but this has been fantastic. I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks for having me. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I have a feeling you and I could talk for hours. Especially about theater warmup exercises. Well not a pretty limited repertoire of those but but I I am theater aficionado. I Love Love Theater so one of the great things about being here in New York. I Bet I bet well. Thanks for having me really appreciate it. That will afford talking on soon. Okay sounds good okay folks. Thanks for listening. We're so grateful for your support of the show if you enjoyed this episode. Please subscribe to this podcast sales enablement with anti on itunes and leave us a five star rating. You can do that all on your phone and less than a minute. As soon as this podcast is over we would certainly appreciate your support. So thank you so much until next time. I'm your house. Andy Paul. Good selling everyone Ring DNA is leading revenue acceleration platform that uses A. 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73: Women v Men Wine Tasting and Texture with Dr. Gary Pickering

Unreserved Wine Talk

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73: Women v Men Wine Tasting and Texture with Dr. Gary Pickering

"You are more likely to be a super taster. If a woman may be as high as twice as likely woman have other advantages to they tend to be the discriminators able to use woods on vocab bitter to the scribe isn't soon wine. The basically a lost Kohl's Well that's what I was getting at an. I'm so glad you've joined us to help prove the point this is really grossly generalizing but if we think of men being more right brained spatially math and women being more left brain logic wedding words to aromas what you said really picks up on those generalizations. What do you mean by women tend to be more discriminating? The whip suggests that when you have an odorant an aroma compound at a particular concentration. And why you don't need to add. As much of four women will pick the two samples as being different wiz. You need a high concentration of that item in the gutter. Discriminate between those two smells woman can put more accurate and consistent labels on wall by smell. Do you have thirst to learn about wine? D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you. Unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode seventy three in this episode of the unreserved Weinstock. Podcast were chatting with Dr Gary Pickering a professor of Wine Science and researcher at Brock University's cool climate -nology and viticulture institute in Niagara. He's the inventor of the white wine mouth feel wheel and super tasting kit and is passionate about wine education and of course wine and he joins me from his home in Niagara. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video show a couple of years ago. So keep that in mind as the context for Gary's comments also. You'll occasionally hear me respond to viewer questions. You can be part of that conversation every second Wednesday at seven pm eastern including this evening. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it's published just a quick note. That many wineries will now ship their winds directly to your home within their province or state and in some cases across the country. Many are also offering free delivery during this lockdown period of the corona virus as an extra incentive. Support your local wineries wherever you can. You'll be pleasantly surprised at just how easy it is to do this. If you want to discover winds that have a satin or Velvet Melville sign up for my free online video wine class. The five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. And she's a date and time that worked for you. Alex seeing you there okay. On with the show. Have you ever wondered what a super taster is? Or how about the importance of mouth feel the texture of wine we talk a lot about aromas and flavors but what are both enough feel. That's pretty fundamental to your enjoyment of wine. Our guest is a professor of wind sites and researcher at Brock. University's cool climate analogy in viticulture institute in Niagara. He holds a doctorate in wind. Science from Lincoln. University in Canterbury is focus is on wine flavor and sensory science his published. More than a hundred papers. Paton's book chapters and conference proceedings. He is the inventor of the white wine mouth feel wheel and the super tasting wine kit and is the co developer of the wine aroma kits. He's the recipient of numerous research awards and is passionate about Wine Education. And of course wine any joins me now live from his home in Niagara. Welcome Dr Gary Pickering. Hello on Italy Greg Today here. Great to have you with us now. I've got all sorts of questions related to our topic. You tease me with a story but didn't tell me it yet. Can we just start with that story about somehow? That's wine related or related to you and US Senator Rand Paul. I would love to hear that one mother okay. As nicotinic we live very sheltered. Lives one reason anecdote which I found amusing. You is colleague. And I published a study last year looking at taste and flavour sensitivity and how that relates to People's alcohol Babia and Senator Rand Paul. Who's a prominent Republican in the US and the number of the trump administration panel study and a presentation October to the Federal Spending Oversight Committee which was considering funding research? She cooled L. Study ridiculous and a waste of money which I assume is part of a wider. If at the de-fund signs in the US but we don't make the political limelight very often so that was kind of fun being criticized by trump. The construction of means. We're doing something right so I love that. Means he doing something right yes. I would consider it quite an honor to be criticized by the trump administration. You're definitely on the right side of things. Okay without getting too political so gary I would love to dive in now. You have been a professor and researcher for a long time. What made you take the academic path say versus becoming a winemaker yourself. A great question for me. Wine was a Sin Korea. My first career was in healthcare for about two years when I got been helpless fat and sorry. What did you do in healthcare and just curious business l? Wow how fascinating metric. Wow what an acute psychiatry. Yeah ready for a career change in of always loved science and had always been a wine drinker one in the susie played around with dementia. Winemaking two things that have List at the time. We're Lincoln. University was offering a new graduate program in one shot so while concur almost a enrolled in that program and enjoy the same continued with that on the research. Front half finished my PhD there. I guess the rest is history so that was around the bill. One thousand nine hundred one that I might career trench well. That's quite a dramatic pivot as they say these days. That's fantastic case so onto the fascinating things you are doing now. I know you do all sorts of very technical research. But we're going to because we're laming consumers here laywomen we're GONNA keep it a bit on the surface as far as you're concerned. Tonight you develop a super taster kit. So before we get into. What is that hit? Maybe define for us if it's possible a super taster. What is a super taster? Especially when it relates to wine much tunnel we apparently not enough price accent the CIVITAS was coined by colleague in the states on the body shop several years ago and typically it refers to people that can Thais that particular compound the compounds cool succession Piper Thorough sel. We call a prompt Fischel. What Linda Farrell Room? Some colleagues was that when you give this compound to people they either don't tasted at all and the cool experience the compound is somewhat. Bitta the medium. Tasters never talk to you again. Experience around as intensely and they could super tasters but very important part of the story is that turns out that you'll super tasting status Ramon taste remedium tasteful. Supervise also upstairs to real life to foods and beverages so for instance super taste is tuned to experience. The selling us will the bitterness and wine or invincibles more intensely than other types of titles. That's also interesting because it looks to have some health consequences so for instance super titles while they tend to English sugar and Agnes fit. Hillside tend to Lis- green vegetables because they find the bitterness of Aversive and so. It has Consistent tombs of Russell Kansas. It's really interesting. Proxy General Tyson's eternity. That looks to heads interest in health consequences and outlive has taken this and look at means for consumption including one and so two super tasters tend to. I don't know if this is a conclusion you came to at all or not but do super tasters tend to drink more wine or less wine or is that not related at all as with most when it comes to human behavior. The answer is not black and white. Oh got some general indications so super tasters. I've ruled PINTA. Drink LISTS ALCOHOL INCLUDING ONE. And if you are a wine drinker and you're a super taster. It looks like you'll preferences full different wine types onto different than people that are not super titles and would they be toward a mindset. Don't have the bitterness like a Pinot Noir Nada Se Barreau low or something like that guy that's is grey areas that some research including found that others have found different results and general super titles tend to prefer sweeter things to report liking drinking more sweep one for instance So this would be related. But I had my tongue tested or whatever by Tim. Hanae in California and I'm sure you're aware of him and it turns out. I'm a super taster. But I can't walk past the Olive Section in the supermarket without holding my breath and I've heard it described like not so much that you're a better taster with superpowers super wine tasting powers. But that you're just more sensitive it's like living with five hundred fingers not ten. I think that was Linda. Bosh said analogy but I thought that was quite apt. Like it's just you're so tuned in so sensitive to everything. Yeah a couple of things in Italy fiscal. What's an awful Tombstone Batista? Self wishes was never coin. 'cause like much value judgment text to they look at me. I'm a super priced Mexican. Not Note is we tend to use language like hide. Good Height Store Hypo And you're right everything else. Being equal super tastes Tastebuds much it didn't get tight spots on at ton won't means. Is that getting most signal? So when they take that loss will melt full of wind the mouth that getting a kick off better compounds the cell compounds these fringing compounds in solemn so experience instant more intensely and also quite a bit of difference thresholds that means they can pick up slow nuances in terms of if then the rest of us. Is that like being able to listen to a dog whistle or something like it's just a higher range of frequency on taste Taste that is the issue and I do tend to avoid all sorts of aversa food and alcohol and Charles they learn to live from back to that sensitivity and an interesting direction of personality. So you find that. Super Tastes for instance who during adventurous in terms of personality. Actually seek out hot foods. They seek out high alcohol lines whereas lists adventurous in terms of personality. A fun those sensations reverse Foods or will consume those drinks. Yeah I find it uncanny win had I was saying You probably cut the tags out of your clothing. I said yes like everything is a hypersensitive world from your studies or other studies. That you've read. Is it more women than men who tend to be super tasters? Is that truth or off from own work and from colleagues look looks like you on will likely to be a super taster. If you're a woman may be as high as twice as likely Woman advantages to when it comes to wine. They tend to be better discriminators. They tend to be able to use woods vocabulary to describe. What is syncing wine? So the basically a lost cause us manipulate? Well that's what I was getting at. I'm so glad you joined us to help prove the point that's great. That's interesting because I do think that again. This is really grossly generalizing but if we think of men being more right brained spatially math all that stuff and women being more left brain logic words etc putting words to Aromas what you said Really picks up on those generalizations for sure. What do you mean by women? Tend to be more discriminating. What does that mean for you? Must of the whip that's been done has looked CODA will smell as opposed to taste and the whip suggests that when you have an odorant and aroma compound at a concentration but syon wine. You don't need to add as much again before woman will pick the Tucson's being different wiz. You need a high concentration of that. Item in gotTA discriminate between those two smells and again a disadvantage when it comes to labelling everything else being equal a woman can put more accurate and consistent labels on while they smell not interested from a biological perspective. And that's what we in the study but doesn't undermine training when all these things can be improved with education with training by Tyson's activity and smell and our ability to label and recall otas correctly when that's why it occasion such fun reading compensate for if you will leave these biological differences between wine tasters. Absolutely Jim Clark asks does taste ability degrade with age. Have you done any work on that Gary? We haven't done much but the has been a lot done over the years and the shoulder By Al penalty the smell and Tyson's Timoti drop-off with age smell much more rapidly enticed. Once you had to forty s there is a slow system drop-off in will be cooled Thais thresholds. At how much of a compound you need to be edited the take the glass but of course as we get older we get more experience with wine and often become more focused on the senses the so again on. Copen site in Pat for this loss of sensitivity just with experienced with mindfulness tradeoff between power or vigor and wisdom the old age thing. Yeah I like that. It applies to. Why can you lose your sense of smell from a health issue? Gary I absolutely we know for instance that context bolts like NFL CFL after hid Knoxville concussions. It's not uncommon for the be nerve damage and through extra payments loss of smell. That's often associated with a real drop in quality of life. I mean that's really heartbreaking. Titles when one reads about individuals who were very involved in food will wind food is a few will gastronome who lose the sense of smell through a hidden injury and help just the quality of life drops off and the Rab. Some of your view is kind of short term issues too so the call will code light gun conditions. Sometimes that studio viruses and those viruses can Do some to pre damaged canoes. Good news being often. These things were cover. Wow so Jim Clark asks. Is there any way to improve the chance of regaining or improving smell or taste? I don't know if you have an answer for that. Or is that too general a question? Are you talking about Post Injury Jim or just I'm gonNA assume just in life can you? I guess you were saying Gary. Just focused training disciplined practice. That kind of thing absolutely consignment. That's the great news is lots of evidence that smell particular which is so much walk one flavors of L. Both here and on the pellet. It's largely a smell phenomenon weakened greatly improve acuity just through training one of the products with commercialized from the is as cold wine awakenings. Arraignment analyst for that very purpose will now training. Although undergraduate students appropriate often present the OTAS that one finds and by healthy wine end folded wine and just through a series of changing the concentration of these compounds untrue training and reiterate action. You see differences in people's performance and confidence when it comes to distinguishing enlighten otas and so we developed this cut. The Wider Raimondo. Very similar to the net event to give an opportunity to be able to work on in keeping proven and they censor smell in particular at these little bottles with essences or smells that you sort of smell it and then you go over the wind. See if I smell that or at least can identify this. It's cinnamon it's not meg or whatever. Okay so let's talk about the other product that you have developed Gary. The wine mouth feel wheel so some of us are familiar with the wine aroma wheel that was developed by Dr Noble Professor. Emeritus from UC Davis. What is it you've developed with the wind mouth feel wheel towards some little wein-o-rama wheel as the name suggests we focused on the tactile melt field sensations unwind which I think are a huge pot of the pleasure? We get for wine and perhaps illustrate with some of my favorite wine stalls. I look localized swine. Now they've got that wonderful sweetness on that big kick floral notes and Ken fruits but much of Ice Winds appeal for me. That wonderful dense discuss richness wounds at describing Melville. I Love Surly Chardonnay Chardonnay. Head time Adrian on did yeast cells that lovely creamy texture fills ELP appello mouth fill doubles champion. If for instance the tingling the popping the bubbles in the mouth was one of life's real joys again now feel sensations or my all time. Favorite folded grown crude. Bigamy wonderful wonderful fine grain. Ticks will sue smooth tenants. Those descriptors ought to not smell the field so I think reflecting on some of the great wines that each of us have tried often mouth feel huge amount of equality but it seldom talked about in circles or even an wine research will they long story short. We felt the need to be vocabulary to enable people to be able to talk about these citations. Also tonight will researchers who are looking at optimizing cultural practices on wine-making practices to be able to see how these treatments ultimately about Field Hawaiian. You need a vocabulary. You need stand out to do that. So that was the driver behind our service product. I HAVE TO AGREE. Like the focus in wine is often aromas than flavors and we forget about texture and you know when. I am out of tasting. A wine will really stand out if it's got this sort of velvet or liquid silk. I mean I love when I describe a wine like that and people identify. They say I get it. I can feel what you're describing. Texture is so important in. I think we overlook it when it comes to wind. You've developed a white WINE MAFIA WHEEL. So what would be examples like? How are you categorizing? It are you saying prickly smooth silk velvet like. What are your words that you use to describe in that mouth feel will actually used civil the woods that are on the wheel and again with Melodist two ends. WanNa Rhyme will which you've got three case structure in which you have General Sensations Ninja. Move your way out the broken down into Since I was like in Sochi all valve Tombs that appear on the relaxed with these descriptive Standard so quite literally one can go away. Makeup reference sample to understand Walt Valve until still feels like home appellate. Oh so a reference sample. What would that be? Are you trying to create a liquid sample? That would approximate or you trying to find wine. That would approximate that. Feel actually the none of those in the main reason is set become very very fatiguing. So they're over. Thirty sensations on the White Wine Melfi wheel from notice that cybele thirty and it would be very fatiguing. Full Appel up vic she have our Wilson sessions as you know like a stringency you build up very quickly of those compounds in fact we have manual standards so again if we stick with those examples smoothness such as socal valuable second which you have a slow squares all cetin sluice quiz bell but you can feel you can strike in such a way to get the essence of that sensation and related to what your experience in the mouth sounds. Strange incredibly efficient and people are able to make that translation between what they feel hit and what they experience. So we don't lick the samples or the Satin or whatever we're just touching could recommend probably wouldn't taste good I'm intrigued. How would you differentiate a why that feels like satin versus silk? I don't know if you can describe that or give us an example but to me. Those two things are really similar. I love using both terms. I use them interchangeably which is probably not correct. But can you differentiate or help us understand what that might feel like the difference absolutely but again? It's Knicks Assad is perhaps best done with with examples fabrics. And you find that when you stroke one computer the other you do get little resistance a bit more bite and one slightly smoother than the other and development. One of the really interesting things was that we were able to try. And a penalty to be able to reliably differentiate all these sensations both with the standards but also with the mouth so we have a great capacity as humans to differentiate all these concessions training. I love it. There's hope for everybody. I would think the satin would be smoother. Ross Self. There's more of a resistance. I'm just postulating because you can buy the super taster kit and the wind mouth feel wheels and all the other products that Gary has developed. What's the website? If people are really curious right now sure probably the best one US too excess release products as Pixel P I. C K IS IN DOT com. We'll definitely post that. La Bruce is texture related to body. That's an interesting question. How did those two tied together Gary Texture and body so pictures often used as a ruled actual tuneful nuffield side and that COMTEX body will discuss? He'll density these are just components uptakes. Okay and Jim Clark says he was at the Winnipeg wine show years ago and realized after. Well that when misting. I was literally feeling shapes on a pallet. I love how you put that. Jim Feeling Shapes on my palate I e. The tastes hit my mouth in geometric shapes round flat points even triangular as if it was only specific taste buds that were being hit any reaction to that. Gary. I think that's kind of a neat analogy. There's a heavy rain. Phenomena whipped with some individuals can experience these associations between shape and Tyson smell. It's like across multiple anesthesia. Or whatever it is or by the Weidenfeld be happy here. It sounds like it's more than CRTV ACROSS LEVEL COURSES. Very important and wine for instance. How smell a fixed position of type store of of mouth? Feel the sounds like you're viewing experiencing little profound. They'll be researched in my life. Absolutely well I just love how he describes at like feeling. Triangles shapes on his pallet is mouth feel related to Tannin's? What's tie in there if at all between mouse feeling? Tannin's again look in the case of red wine. The tenants are the compounds. Typically skin derived compounds from red wine but some council so seeds and stems at these compounds can cause a wide range of Melfi cessations examples who told me about Ilya and velvet and so on by typically what we call sub qualities of Stringency at least in red wine is caused by tends. You don't get confused with so we talk about Silky Tannin's firm Tannin's get all that but then we get into ripe Tannin's and I don't get when we start talking about rightness or taste of tenants because for me Tannen is always textural. It's never a taste but am I off on that. I mean how can you describe Tan and other than a textural feeling like what would be a ripe Tannin? That's a great question. In fact it's one of my bumpy. Just the the use of I think. Confusing ambiguous language comes to mouth feels so on the face of let's take the opposite and unreliable. Kenan has no place in Obamacare. Because what's really happening. There is some that uses it to him as Confound in two different things probably freedom since art smell taste and texture the reason fold it is advised things of art related. So if you're harvesting red wine red gripes that haven't reached the pig majority. Maybe the full system early. The rains come. You're harvesting stuff. That's not quite physiologically. Ripe you tend to get wines. That have relatively harsh. Stringency tend to have more bitterness and they tend to be slightly agreement and tombs of Roy Mosley's associated with fruit. It's not quite ripe. Inside THIS IDEA OF UNRIPE. Tendons is likely amalgamating now psychological dimension of these three different ways of sentencing smell taste. Nba and mouth feel our. I'm so glad to hear that because I thought I might just not getting this and then I hear stuff like dusty Tannin's what are dusty towns. How does that relate? I don't want to get off into a rabbit hole but dusty. Tannin's how would you define that or is that a conflagration as well or confounding of terms all even caution about using the with hidden it. All when it comes to describe wine again. Think it's not helpful. We can take white wines. A great example. We get a stringent soon white wine. We get a whole bunch of sensations tekle sensations in white wine that have nothing to do with ten kids so for instance the essence. We've fallen by the white and red wine also elicited stringency but no with particular sensations this through to a ten in all due to an `syd due to a protein or something else that. I find those terms that we have full suggest we get back to just describing sensation broadened trying to ascribe which compounds that sensation comes from? Were quick to get at. Just say it's drying or it's a furry mouth or something like limping. Somebody can identify with. Yeah I love that okay. So great we figured that one out. Okay Laurie sweet says is there a mouth? Feel we'll for both red and white wine. Which is exactly what I was going to ask. Are you going to do went for red wine? Gary Love to say it's Natalie but unfortunately the threatens of bigness to it so years on our over the country the Australians several years ago Richard Goal and so my colleagues at late university in Australia to the Ridwan no feel so wait on ships but how other styles or is it. Necessary like sparkling mafia wheel desert mafia wheel or would there not be that much differentiation. Or is there room for those wheels to be thinking that there's more room for that? I think the key is set. The research and sciences done behind as easy to with a bunch of descriptors in the cold. Would've you wish but the head validates science behind us think is key sparking wines interest to one in the white wine male will there is a component assigment if you wish of the wheel that has did a kite the to stopping wine. I still think there's more room. Komo fully describe some of these wonderful nuances of sensation. Trying Schimdt Hainan. Other toxic bubbles. It is such a textural experience. Michael Gorba- daughter-in-law deems herself super taster. She deems herself. She is not enamored of bubbly. I feel sad that this happens for special occasions situations. It's often hard to please. Everyone and therefore pairing with food any best answers Dr g to do a work around that something were singer the research that at least in the US with US consumers that super taste as I mentioned before they tend to prefer sweeter stalls dimension is that they give Loa liking rankings to bubbles spot ping wine red wine and dry white wine one of the possible reasons folded as bubbles for you and I might be seen as pleasant the CO two carbon dioxide gives doubles as an irritant General Irritant and that goes from nine sensation through the pain. And so it's conceivable that super taste is are actually experiencing the irritation of COUPLA oxide. Much more intensely comes unpleasant so that observation you as doldrums Say No all to do about. I Don Serving up double syllable. Woma as the bubbles. I'm not retained an solutions long. When the when the wind suit woman that might make lists or her as one hundred one wine styles onsite try moves sideways in the supplement. She enjoys drinking. And let's all celebrate del Diversity in terms of the winds that we liked absolutely maybe a frizz onto something less sparkly less aggressive bubbles. If you will the trigem it'll what you just said. My Dentists said I have tried. Jemele nerves like extra nerves so that lucky me when I get a feeling. I have to get extra freezing. Is that related to nerves trigeminal? Apparently yes I've been blessed with all the extras absolutely sensible. Try Juvenile News one nine news. That appears throughout vice and L. O. Cavity and the nerve endings from that diplomats are the things that respond to with doubles with irritation of alcohol with hating called. And so on site you'll be accursed with greatest sensitivity to the that Super Tester. I should just shut down this show right now and just drink milk or something. Oh my gosh okay cool. Peter Nielsen comment on taste memory. I was spoiled many years ago. Went around age twenty two. I was lucky enough to share bottle of nineteen sixty one moosonee from Burgundy. It was without any question whatsoever the most delicious memorable wine of my life. Unfortunately it's out of my price range. I remember it. It was exquisite. If I can remember it like it was yesterday. Is this memory real or imagined while some interesting questions? Not sure if that's within your scope but any comments on that Gary on the way to go with it other than to decide it often. We do him lasting memories when we can attach experiences with emotion and so if there was a lot of lotion being invoked at the time the view tried that wind been at tends to mean that memory is more embiid also has mobile APP means more as a lot could be recalled later in life so I think we wish we'd look experiences like that. Exactly that's a good wrap up phrase so really great discussion Gary. Is there anything that we didn't cover that you specifically like to mention before we wrap up things on Italy enjoyed this and I'm very happy off? Come back some of the would love it because your scope is much broader than even. I was just looking at research like you. Just know a lot of stuff but law stuff to quit IT IN NON-ACADEMIC TERMS. Where can people find you online? We've talked about where they can get the super district. We're GONNA make sure we post that. But where can they find you and for your research or any other websites you want to mention your social media channels whatever you like just the fundamentals are interested in the research just to Google Gary Pickering at Brock University. It'll be careful of heavy check further with them. That's Great Gary. Thank you for spending your. I mean it was just fascinating again. I haven't got to the other fifty two questions but this is a great Chad. I really sincerely appreciate you taking the time with us. Thanks now the US. Well say cheers for now and we must chat again. Will there you have it? I hope you enjoyed this chat with Dr Gary Pickering. Here my takeaways number. One Garry puts a much deserved spotlight on the mouth feel and texture of wine attributes. We often overlook as we're so focused on aromas and flavors number two. I'm fascinated with his examples of different textures from the luscious viscous feeling of ice wine to the snap crackle pop of bubbly to the rich round. -Ness of wine that's been aged on its lease the expire D cells number three. Gary also helped me clarify the textural differences between wines that feel like silk with the least resistance on our palate then satin than velvet all are smooth but different kinds of smooth number four and so glad he clarified. That Tannin is a feeling not a taste. It's the mouth drying sensation of stringency like eating walnuts. So let's get rid of mixed metaphors like dusty or Ripe Tannin's keys and finally number five Gary points out that women are twice as likely to be super tasters and apply more accurate and precise labels to wine given our left brain leaning toward the verbal. Thank you gary. If you like this episode please tell a friend about it especially one who's interested in the fascinating wine tips that Gary shared you'll find links to his super tasting kit mouth feel wheel research paper the wine we tasted a list of Ontario wineries that are delivering direct to home. Right now a full transcript of our conversation. The video version of this chat and where you can find us live on facebook every second Wednesday at seven pm eastern including evening. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it's published and you'll find all of that in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash seventy-three. 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