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College Admissions Decoded
"pomona college" Discussed on College Admissions Decoded
"I'm your host Eddie Pickett and my pronouns are he him and his. I'm a knack act board member and a senior associate dean of admissions and the director of recruitment at Pomona college in Claremont, California. Today, I'm here at two experts on college admissions. Their share of their views on the role of gratitude in the college application process. With me today, Whitney's soul, vice provost, dean of admissions at University of Pennsylvania, Whitney is a national leader in envisioning the future of college admissions, she has implemented a wide range of innovative admission resources to better serve students and families in the school to college transition. Thank you very much for having me. Yeah, thank you for joining us. And we have Scott Anderson, Scott joined the common app team in 2009 as its 5th employee with the goal of building bridges with accounting community. Currently, he serves as the organization's senior director for association engagement. Hey, good to be here. So today's topic is actually a very interesting to me in a fun one as well. So I've been writing these thank you. I'm sorry and I love you letters, which are fascinating, but also really hard to do, but they make you think about, um, what's been going on in my life, however I got in here and why? So as we start the topic today, I'm really excited to pull you both into this conversation. So we'll just jump in with the first question I would say, and so last year, the common app added an essay prompt about gratitude and admission cycle, the University of Pennsylvania added a short answer prompt, asking students to in quotes, write a brief thank you note to someone you have not yet thanks and would like to acknowledge in quote, as one of your 2022 23 supplemental questions. So Whitney, what led to Penn's decision? Thank you. It is fun to talk about this because we almost backed into this particular supplemental prompt. And one of the things that we were thinking about in the application is the questions that we ask and the design of an application often has the student answering centering themselves. I have done this. I enjoy this. I want this. I aspire to do this thing. I see myself at your school because and all of those responses are important. We are trying to understand the particular individual. But what we realized is that when we're talking about applicants as we're reviewing them, we are interested in what they have done and what they appreciate and what they aspire to do. But we're also talking about them as who will they be in our community and what might they be like as a friend or roommate or collaborating on a lab project. And we're not asking a lot of questions around how they think about other people necessarily.
College Admissions Decoded
"pomona college" Discussed on College Admissions Decoded
"Through the college admissions process. I'm your host Eddie Pickett and my pronouns are he him and his. I'm a knack act board member and a senior associate dean of admissions and the director of recruitment at Pomona college and Claremont California. Our topic today is learning differences. What got me thinking about this topic is that I was at a commencement recently and a student talked about neurodivergence at the school and how they were being pushed to the side and it really got me thinking about, well, how do we focus on the students? Do we focus on the students and what is the process for college for these types of students? I'm joined today by two knack ack members whose life work has been dedicated to supporting students who learn differently. They'll help us make the distinction about learning differences versus learning disabilities, an unravel other nuances about students who learn differently. Our guests are Mary Beth Kravitz, former president of knack ack and director of college counseling at Walcott college prep in Chicago, Illinois. She's also the co author of the K and W guy to colleges for students with learning differences, published by Princeton review and Random House, and now in its 15th edition. Welcome Mary Beth. Thank you. Welcome and glad to be here. The next we have Casey or guidance, vice president of enrollment management and dean of undergraduate admissions at the university of Arizona. Hello, Casey. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Well, thank you both for joining us on the podcast today. Definitely a topic that's been in a lot of discussion recently. I think for me, as a former college counselor, there are always three schools that I would introduce students to and that was landmark college, curry college, and university of Arizona because of the salt center, so I'm really excited to have Casey here today. And we have a lot of ground to cover, so let's get started. I think I'm going to send the first question to Mary Beth. And can you just give us a little context about the statistics of students with learning differences in high school and college? Well, statistics say that approximately ten to 15% of the students in high schools now are students who are identified as having learning differences. You know, and then it goes to all the different kinds of learning differences. And I believe that at least 10% on college campuses are identified as students with learning differences. So in high school, if you're in a public high school, you could have an IEP, which is an individualized educational plan, or if not, you would have a 5 O four plan that says these are the accommodations that you're going to get. And the school really can be the one to say, we think your student should be tested. We think that there may be a learning issue. That's in high school. In college, the IEP dies when they leave high school. And there are 5 O four plans, but the students in charge of saying, I think I have a learning disability or I do have a learning difference and here are my documentation in high school. It's a team. It's a special education department. Parents, case managers, students, teachers, in college, to student doesn't really have a team.
College Admissions Decoded
"pomona college" Discussed on College Admissions Decoded
"How you engage and how you communicate your commitment to continue to lead on issues of diversity, equity, inclusion, regardless of what the court does. I mean, institutions are going to stamp up. And I would hope they would all say, of course, we will comply with the law, even if it's an adverse decision, even though we vehemently disagree with it. But we should be positioned to do more. We should be positioned to lead to and through this consequential moment in time and to demonstrate our resolve and our commitment in word and deed associated with the efforts that are tied to the eloquent mission statements that most institutions have that lift up the commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion. So I'm hearing you say that we need some bold leadership. Would that be correct? That would be absolutely correct. So, regardless of the court's ruling, colleges and universities, as well as associations like knack ack, will not stop pursuing racial equity in the college admissions process. I think it starts in lots of different ways and one of the things I love about working at Pomona college is our mission statement starts there and a part of our mission statement we read, just so you can get a sense of it. It says, throughout its history, Pomona college has educated students of exceptional promise. We gather individuals regardless of financial circumstances into small residential community that is strongly rooted in Southern California yet global and its orientation, and this next sign is one of my favorites. Through close ties among a diverse group of faculty, staff, and classmates, promote a students are inspired to engage in the probing inquiry and creative learning that enable them to identify and address their intellectual passions. I love that line because it's in our mission statement. But thinking beyond just the mission statement, what are some of the most important messages we can relate to students, families, the media and the general public about why we do what we do.
College Admissions Decoded
"pomona college" Discussed on College Admissions Decoded
"Through the college admissions process. I'm your host Eddie Pickett and my pronouns are he him and his. I'm a knack act board member and a senior associate dean of admissions and the director of recruitment at Pomona college and Claremont California. I'm joined today by art Coleman, managing partner and cofounder education council, who's worked on issues of equity and college admissions for many years. He provides policy, strategic, and legal counseling services to national nonprofit organizations, school districts, state agencies, and post secondary institutions throughout the country. Hello and welcome art, thank you very much. Glad to be here. I'm really excited for today's conversation because my current major project at school is preparing for the potential implications of this ruling. And so I know that I'm going to learn something new today, and hopefully you all get to learn something new as well. So just to start, can you tell us a little bit about yourself about education council and what draws you to the college access and equity work? Sure. My work focuses mostly on issues of student equity and institutional quality and the whole array of DEI issues reflect really my particular focus now on issues of policy strategy and law. That focus comes after a stand where, as I term it, I'm a recovering litigator. I also worked as deputy assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education during the Clinton administration and helped form education council years ago with former secretary of education, dick Reilly, and it was in essence a quest to establish a mission based enterprise that would help marry good policy practice and law to come up with better decision making and better outcomes for all students with a core focus on equity. And so that's the core of what I do. The vast majority of my particular work in our organization is in the post secondary space in the admissions and enrollment arena. And how did I get here? I think you can look back at my life all the way back to my childhood. My mom was a high school teacher and a school counselor for 30 years. And I grew up with sort of her passion about helping students who are low income students of color, getting to and through post secondary education. College for me was also a transformative experience, gave me confidence and opened my eyes to a new world I had never seen. And my husband and I have two children who are black and living there experienced once a senior in college once just graduated from college living that experience has given me sort of new insight on the perspectives and the nuances and the contextualization around issues of diversity equity inclusion. And so I bring all of that sort of personal history to my professional passion. Can you tell us about your history of involvement with the consideration of race and admissions decisions? Sure, that really began in earnest. I was counting back this morning. It's rather scary. It's almost 30 years ago. But when I was at the department in the office for civil rights, the issues of race conscious admissions in affirmative action more broadly were central to my portfolio. And what I discovered through both outreach and working with institutions around the country was that a lot of very smart people were not connecting the dots between research policy practice and law on the front end and they were creating problems from themselves on the back end.
ToddCast Podcast with Todd Starnes
"pomona college" Discussed on ToddCast Podcast with Todd Starnes
"Should we have to pay for the gender studies majors and the goat yoga people? Is that a thing? It's a thing. Google it. It's a thing. There are some schools that are actually advertising infinity pools. You say, what is an infinity pool? Those are rooftop pools that make it look like you're going to swim over the edge. Which is a little bit. These are you would expect that at some sort of a high end posture resort, not the local university or college. But this is what they're doing. They're squandering our tax money. Who needs to go on a vacation when you can just go to college? Yes. Just do the actual campus that is. No, exactly. I mean, when you look at all the buildings going up, we're paying for all of that stuff. That's true. Michigan technical Michigan technological university. They have a campus on campus, ski resort. A 112 acres of ski friendly terrain. Pomona college. They have an annual ski beach day. They actually have buses that take the college kids to the beach and a mountain resort for fun in the snow and the ocean. Oh, that sounds like a lovely day. Boston University looks some of these schools are private, I get it. Boston University, 26 story glass dorm, a condo with private bathrooms, walk in closets, and you get your own complimentary flat screen TV. Pretty snazzy. The university of Missouri. You guys have a lazy river that runs through campus. There's also a sauna and Whirlpool, hot tubs, and an on campus beach club. There's also a racquetball court and various other full courts where endless games. This is unbelievable stuff here. The university of Wisconsin in Madison. The student union has a bowling alley, art gallery climbing wall, billiard hall,
ToddCast Podcast with Todd Starnes
The Things You Are Paying for at Colleges
"Should we have to pay for the gender studies majors and the goat yoga people? Is that a thing? It's a thing. Google it. It's a thing. There are some schools that are actually advertising infinity pools. You say, what is an infinity pool? Those are rooftop pools that make it look like you're going to swim over the edge. Which is a little bit. These are you would expect that at some sort of a high end posture resort, not the local university or college. But this is what they're doing. They're squandering our tax money. Who needs to go on a vacation when you can just go to college? Yes. Just do the actual campus that is. No, exactly. I mean, when you look at all the buildings going up, we're paying for all of that stuff. That's true. Michigan technical Michigan technological university. They have a campus on campus, ski resort. A 112 acres of ski friendly terrain. Pomona college. They have an annual ski beach day. They actually have buses that take the college kids to the beach and a mountain resort for fun in the snow and the ocean. Oh, that sounds like a lovely day. Boston University looks some of these schools are private, I get it. Boston University, 26 story glass dorm, a condo with private bathrooms, walk in closets, and you get your own complimentary flat screen TV. Pretty snazzy. The university of Missouri. You guys have a lazy river that runs through campus. There's also a sauna and Whirlpool, hot tubs, and an on campus beach club. There's also a racquetball court and various other full courts where endless games. This is unbelievable stuff here. The university of Wisconsin in Madison. The student union has a bowling alley, art gallery climbing wall, billiard hall,
The Jimmy Tingle Show
"pomona college" Discussed on The Jimmy Tingle Show
"And your educational background, I say that you went to Harvard Business school and MBA from Harvard Business school. Tell me about how that's going to translate and working in government. You think that's going to be a big asset? Well, I'm proud of public schools graduate. I went to the Brookline public schools, my entire life, and I went out to a little school in California called Pomona college, a little small college out in the Los Angeles area. And I've been back in Massachusetts ever since, you know, when I was at business school, I still knew that while my career was going to take me into the business world for a while that public service was always going to be important to be, I do think the skill set that you develop in business school can be helpful in terms of making state government more efficient or effective. I'm the only candidate in this race with educational experience and background in finance and accounting, which is part of the job of state auditor. I'm very comfortable pouring over lines on spreadsheets and figuring out how the numbers line up, so I think that's important. But really throughout my career, even when I was in business school and in the business
The MMQB NFL Podcast
"pomona college" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"They're going to make them very exciting. Rohan super jacked about a left tackle that has played zero full seasons in the NFL. But no, I am with you. I want to believe I like Mike mcdaniel. I met Mike mcdaniel at the combine and he shook my hand and he said, Conor orr, what is your favorite boat propulsion device? And then because my last name is fantastic. Yeah, I love it. So from that moment, I was like, sold. This guy is very cool. I hope he was by far the number one interaction that I've ever had from meeting a new head coach, which is great. My concern, I think, so I think that Mike mcdaniel was sort of the, what's the completion of the metaphor I'm looking for here? Who is the best kind of pop culture man behind the man? You know, like the guy behind the curtain pulling all this through. Kris Jenner? What's that? Yes. Okay, yes. So he is the Kris Jenner of the Kyle Shanahan offense. I think that he is the mastermind of how all of this fits together. My hope is that he can make that work in Miami long enough to kind of solidify himself there before the outside zone gets stoppable. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Because now 40%, I think, was the estimate I heard the other day of the NFL is running some version of this offense. And I know that's offensive. That would be like the number one psychology professor at Yale and the psychology professor Pomona community college being like, yeah, we both teach psychology. It's like, no, I don't, you know, what Arthur Smith is doing. I mean, Atlanta. I laughed at that joke, but I just like to say I'm not condoning an shout out to Pomona. I'm sure it's a great Pomona is great. I'm not condoning the shade goner has been throwing. Yeah, what's a college I could actually share? Just make fun of northwestern. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, be like northwestern being like, we have a journalism school. Okay guys, yeah. Hilarious. But yeah, that would be like Arthur Smith saying I run outside zone and Mike mcdaniel saying I run outside zone. Two very different things. One guy kind of copied the system and cribbed it. One guy sort of invented the modern version of the system, right? So I have faith, my hope is that it comes to fruition. I think we need more head coaches like Mike mcdaniel, who are personality forward who are not afraid to say things, yes. Yeah. It's all good. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great. Just the organization needed a vibe shift. And I'm not saying that that's, but again, tua is going to have to prove it this year. Everyone's in agreement on that. They've obviously even stockpiling lots of draft picks. I think frankly, in the event that they need to move on from two, I don't think that's a secret, but the fact that they've given him a coach that actually wants to play him a competent offensive line, competent weapons, those are things that he did not have. And I just want to double down on something I saw, shout out to Jason McCourty, who I think said this on NFL network the other day, but, you know, I've seen people say, you know, this quarterback doesn't need that or, you know, how many years did Russell Wilson complain about his offensive coordinator in Seattle or he had someone like Doug Baldwin not to mention the defense he had early in his career. How much more did Josh Allen improve once the bills got Stefon Diggs? I think Anthony Lynn gets criticized for maybe some of the in game management. He had in San Diego, but was an up and coming offensive mind when Justin Herbert was drafted. There are ecosystems that young quarterbacks need. And I think it's long overdue for two and a half this kind of support system around him in Miami. You wanted to see me miss swinton? Have you been hearing about the new government modernization efforts? AI, RPA's data science, things are changing at this agency, and people will need new skills. 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Top Gun: Maverick is one of the greatest movies ever made, see it on the biggest screen possible. You got yourself a deal. Tom Cruise, Top Gun: Maverick. What's your Russell Wilson take? I think this looks like it's going to be a disaster. It's like wow. It's just like an uncanny valley situation. It doesn't look right when he's in the uniform. Why is he so thick now? Like, when did he get so thick? A little bit on the heavy side. A little bit on the heavy side. I'm getting just veered very weird off putting just feelings coming off from that entire situation. I don't know what he was thinking. I mean, not that Pete Carroll is like Don Shula or something, but I don't know why it didn't work out there and I'm not getting a good feeling about this Bronco situation. Interesting. Wow. What's the conventional do people? I understand that he's I think he's a fantastic quarterback in the level of consistency he's obviously had for a long time is remarkable. At the same time, he has struggled now for stretches of the last couple seasons of the United States at the injuries, but I'm curious what the conventional wisdom is about him these days. I would say, I'm excited the Broncos new head coach Nathaniel Hackett was, I guess I can say Sports Illustrated's number one head coach in candidate last year and we profiled him before the season. I have a lot of that's another one that's curious to me. He was the guy who he was in Jacksonville for a little bit, right? And brought Blake bortles to the brink of a Super Bowl, which is like, did he really do that? I have some doubts about a guy who I don't think that Jaguar's offense was ultimately very good. And now he's like, it's like when the dolphins hired Joe philbin and it's like, let's go get the guy who co chair and Rogers. And then maybe you find out that Aaron Rodgers, maybe you find out that Aaron Rodgers had a little bit more to do with it. I'm not saying that Hackett can't be successful and it helps to have Russell Wilson in place already. I'm just I'm not sold on a guy with his resume. Man, we got the dean of Pomona college put us on a list now Nathaniel Hackett's gonna put us on a list. And this is like those Jaguars, that Jaguar seem ultimately proved to be very bad, like it was clearly a fluke playoff run. So how do we really judge his quote.
Asian American History 101
"pomona college" Discussed on Asian American History 101
"Yeah. Read. I've got to check it out. Yeah. So I'll be the studious geek here. Rooted in academia. We mentioned already American survivors. Yes. Trans Pacific memories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That's really high up there. Books I read. I also really love this book, eating Asian America. It's a collection of scholarly writing on Asian American food. And so it's one that I've used for research for this podcast, but some amazing writers, there's one who's previous Professor of mine at Pomona college. Oh, wow. It's pretty interesting to be reading it. You're like, wait, Sammy masha. Wow. I'm also going to mention comic books as well because I love everything that Jean win Yang has been doing. And he's getting so much work doing the redo of Shang-Chi as well as some of the more I guess mainstream comic books as well. I think he's working. He's publishing or writing something on Batman that he's been releasing. Really raising awareness, making a big name for Asian Pacific Americans in the comic book industry, because previously it was mainly artists and not writers. So that's been good. In terms of a single comic book, I would choose we hereby refuse and I did mention that during our I think the Japanese internment episodes. Yes. But it's a story about the no no boys, essentially. People coming back from saying no to the questionnaire and it's written by Frank Abe and tyco nimura with art by Ross ishikawa and Matt sasaki, but let's move on to our final thing, though. Top organization we learned about this year. Yeah, for me, it was probably the Asian mental health collective. I thought that that was a really great organization. They have so many resources for mental health and if you need help where you need to find therapy or just connect with others, the Asian mental health collective is a pretty great place to do that. They had a day in conference, which was amazing. Moments of yoga, meditation, music. More than anything though, it was a community. Some really come together and acknowledge that Asian American mental health isn't something that is talked about enough. And so these are mental health professionals, people who are interested in being supportive and more. Great organization. And it also led us to our interview. We're bringing up another interview. Alicia, Rio palato, who does art therapy and that was episode 44. That was another highlight for me. And such a great organization. I would also mention the stop AAPI hate. For sure. Organization, I don't know if it was necessarily that we learned it about it this year, but just so important. The reports that they're putting out are essential and if you are if you are the victim of any type of hate crime, be sure that you report it, stop AAPI hate is a place you can do it and we'll make sure that we also go ahead and link to that in our show notes. And I mean, it's just important to be aggregating the data at all. I feel like sometimes the reports get lost. Absolutely. In some ways, because for the federal side of things, there's difficulty in telling whether something is quote to hate crime or not. And also with language barriers, barriers and whatnot, stop AAPI hate has a lot of great resources for different languages and with that these are some of our favorites, tell us what some of your favorites were. Yeah..
Monday Morning Critic Podcast
"pomona college" Discussed on Monday Morning Critic Podcast
"You know, things like that. We kind of get used to it over the years. But I think that I think that part of yeah raising kids and working with students, there's a corollary. Yeah, for sure. There's a yeah, I think it comes from, you know, I was an aviator. I was at ADD kid. So I was like one of the first riddling children like 70 71 72 before I went to my website at school. And so I think I look back my journey and how I get to where I am right now. I was, I was, I was one of those kids that really couldn't sit still a lot of the time. And so now that I'm older and supposed to be wiser, I look and I think I want to get back to those students that probably are more of the neurodiversity spectrum because I work with a lot of folks at Caltech and GTL and sort of my community. Where there's a lot of people who multiple levels of intelligence or frames of mind that Howard Gardner talks about. And I think at an early age, these are singled out for that neurodiversity at that age in some way. To help to create a lot of empathy with other learners or other people, and then of course I got involved with theater which really opened up a whole other world of and realized in the community the collaboration that's needed. And I think my neurodiversity in that case, my ADD was really kind of a superpower in some way because I was able to focus like, for example, right now we're doing a musical called from the earth to the moon. It's an adaptation of a Jules Verne 1865 novel. And I've got 25 25 people in the show. And I'm able when I'm directing to be to have a perspective on the stage picture, but also the individual images and also be able to track the words or the lyrics or the movement. And in ways that really kind of fire all my cylinders. You know what I mean? And so I think all these things come together being a father, being a director, having ADD, like being able to work with people, not just boosters, but you know, students in years past, whether it's in India or UC riverside or Cal state LA or Pomona college or art center or wherever. You know, you develop a skill that is a collaborative one because theater is just a collaborative art. You have to be able to get along with people. And allow all of their special gifts to rise to the surface as well, right? You don't want to shut anyone down, but you do have to help direct or finesse or find this subtlety of an expression in the service of the play or the playwright, the thing the object that you're making. Yeah, you talked about theater opening new worlds for you. Legitimately, Bosnia, India. I mean, you really, your theater has taken you places that most people never even dream of going. You know, we talk about your work at Caltech. You know, I've had guests on Brian before where they're famous authors, actors, directors, and they've done a lot like some really special work in that they go into the field of academia. They teach like you're teaching. And I almost 99% of the time feel like the students never ask them about their big work with this or their huge accomplishment with that. But I have to say, I don't get that sense when it comes to you..
The Stuttering John Podcast
"pomona college" Discussed on The Stuttering John Podcast
"And then actually watched the facts unfold and said, uh oh, you know. I wish there were more of them. He says he says they say he is an imperfect vessel sent to them by God. These evangelicals. And you know what he couldn't be more correct? That's what it is. They actually think he was sent to them by God. Melissa, which is insanity, you know? And he says, that's how they rationalize his behavior because he supports what they do. It's true. And by the way, just let me I'm sorry. Sure. Thank you, Marco. I always thank my moderators. Nikki bee and Benny loco, but, you know, they moderate for me. So, yeah. Well, that's fine. Yes, they're awesome. They keep the trolls off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And unfortunately, I get a lot. But I'm sure you do. Yeah, but that must be them doing something right. Oh, totally. You're over the target. As Reggie Jackson said, they don't boo buddies. You know? No, no, no, no, no, they wouldn't waste their time. But now I just want to get started before first of all, you have been in the film business for quite some time. So I'm gonna do the I'm doing the 60 minutes interview with you. So where did you go to school? Well, I went to Pomona college at clermont, California, but I actually my dad was a film, my dad started the Boston public library's audiovisual department in 1950. After he got out of World War II, so he was like a film. His favorite thing was film history, movies, you know, he was just like, he knew everything about the movies and the history of the movies. And so I sort of grew up being kind of spoon fed that and I loved it anyway. Movies in theater, I just loved. And my dad taught me how to edit film when I was 9. So yeah, so I started making program on final cut..
NEWS 88.7
"pomona college" Discussed on NEWS 88.7
"The city is predominantly Latino west side was destroyed by flood waters. 80 people were killed. How San Antonio recovered from its 1921 flood opened a decades long saga of housing discrimination, environmental racism and classism that had severe consequences for the city's communities of color. A new book out today tries to capture the repercussions of the flood. It's called Westside Rising. How San Antonio's 1921 flood devastated a city and sparked a Latino environmental justice movement. The Arthur Char Miller is a former San Antonio and is currently the W. M. Keck, professor of environmental analysis in history at Pomona College in Los Angeles. Professor Miller. Welcome to the Texas Standard. Thank you so much. David. Good to have you with us. Tell us a little bit about what inspired you to write a book on this topic. Well, I was inspired and in part because of my 26 years in San Antonio, and part of that was driven by the almost dam, which was the biggest public works project in the city in the 20th century, the most important anyway and I lived near it and was puzzled by it. I mean, it was this huge flood retention dam. But if you walk to the area around it and then actually walked on the West side, as I often did, Um you realize that that damn had nothing to do with flood control on other parts of the city, and I couldn't quite figure out that juxtaposition until I began to recognize that the environmental racism that was embedded in the cities politics. May have had something to do with it, and so I started digging. What was it about how San Antonio recovered from that 1921 flood that contributed to creating systems of racism injustice an eraser when it came to the city's Latino population. Well, it's really interesting because there are basically two narratives about the flood. The first that was published over the first three days talked about the death, disarray and damage on the West side. And so you go. Okay, they get it, and then by about three days in the English language newspapers have shifted the narrative to say. Yes, that's bad, and in fact horrible, But the real thing that we need to focus on is protecting the urban economy in the downtown core and affect with the cities. Decision was is to use public money to build a dam to protect downstream capital private capital in the downtown core. And although they gestured towards resolving the West sides, flooding issues, which had flooded periodically for decades, in effect, they paid very little attention to it. Um did residents or at what point did residents finally say enough? You know you're not paying attention. Well, that's kind of the interesting piece to the story. And so one could tell the story like an environmental justice movement. Stories tend to be, which is victims who were damaged and have very little power of and it took 50 years, But it was really crucial for the city of San Antonio. The two things happen, Henry B. Gonzalez. Was elected to Congress in the 19 sixties. Once he got to Congress, he started pouring money into San Antonio to construct, um greater infrastructure for floods. In 1974, another flood struck The organization known as Cops, Communities organized for public services emerged as one of the most powerful grassroots movements. I would argue in the United States and within 10 years They secured $500 million to build new flood infrastructure. Restore roadways get better schools built better housing. I mean, it's an astonishing about face. It took 50 years to be sure, but it tells us a lot about community based grassroots organizing lead, often as it is, in this case by women. That is a really fascinating part of this story. Um, when you look at, you know, sort of squint and you look at San Antonio today. Can you see evidence of how the flood of 1921 Altered its contours. Well, sure, you just let's start with the dam itself and go the flanking suburbs of almost park Alamo Heights in Terril Hills, all of which were incorporated post flood, um, that are the sanctuaries for the elite of the city and that have their own independent school district. So the flood in effect created this microcosm for those of wealth outside the city who took their taxpayer dollars with them. So now we're seeing kind of economic Segregation. Ram If I'd by the flood go downtown from these places where many of the elite lived and you look at the skyscrapers that we're post flood that were built between 1921 in the early 19 thirties And there again, you see Ram if I'd these big buildings That were reflections of outside and internal capital that decided that once they protected the downtown now you could build these things and then walk less than a mile away to the West. And you will see the economic disparities that today are as great as they were in the 19 twenties, and they're as great in part because of what the decisions made by policymakers in San Antonio to exclude the Mexican American West side. From enjoying some of the wealth that the city was producing post flood, So in other words, you don't have to squint very hard to see the effects. Oh, no. In fact, they say, there's a beautiful photograph by Russell Lee, one of the federal photographers in the 19 thirties. He's standing on the banks of the Apache Creek, where huge floods roared. He's looking through San Fernando Cathedral, where many of the the flood victims of 21 were buried. And he has a in the foreground, a shack. And in the background, the Smith young tower, which is now the Tower Life building, the tallest building in San Antonio, and he doesn't have to say anything. Right there. You see those inequities spacial, economic and social. You mentioned how communities came together and changed a lot 50 years after the 1921 flood Um What about today? What about the future? The the San Antonio's flooding still disproportionately affect the city's communities of color. Actually, the Fleming tends to be farther north. Now, um, in those areas that they call weirdly low water crossings, which means streets go into the riverbeds and creek beds, unusual and crazy way to build. Um, but but The sort of inequities that are based on work and economics on politics on based on sort of, um various forms of social uplift. Let's call it or still manifest there. But there's also this extraordinary story from the West side driven by the West Side. That, in addition to what cops.
Mom And ... Podcast
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"And is a graduate of pomona college and harvard. Business school in lives outside of boston. So welcome carole. We are so have you here. Thanks xanthi griffey. It's great to be here. We are just so thrilled and honored to have you here today. Because what you're about is something we are so passionate about. That whole relaunching is really what we're trying to talk to women about. And a lot of our listeners have been home for awhile whether by choice or by necessity whether they're caring for children or possibly their own parents or someone else in their household and now they're ready to get back out there and do something else but for our listeners. Who may not know everything you do with a relaunch. Could you give them sort of the. Ira relaunch carol one. Oh one you're suzanne. Earning covered in the intro bay. I realize the pioneering company in the career entry space. We've been around since two thousand and seven actually whom the face easily four i. E launch was co founded. So we've been working with employers return to work progress for almost twenty years now and we spend most of our time working with employers to develop and expand..
Planet Money
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"I was a little a little stunned that that they would be so blunt about it but not completely stun. This older professor tells dr conrad that he explained to the students. They were wrong. The doctor conrad was more than qualified to be teaching their intro to micro economics class and then dismissed them. This professor then says to dr conrad that he thinks maybe she's doing her job too well. She's teaching things to clearly to these guys not pause because i thought okay to clear it is the intro econ class. You're supposed to be clear. He said well what's happening. Is they think they know as much as you do. And they can challenge you. I want you to next class. Feel the board with calculus. Calculus is not a requirement for this class. I don't care. You need to establish the juneau a lot more than they do. I thought mccain is worth a try at the very next class. Professor conrad is supposed to teach the class like a pretty simple idea about optimization and then she says to them now you may be curious to see the derivation of this simple idea and so she goes over to the chalkboard and she starts writing parabolas and equations and first derivatives all over the chalkboard and i filled the more with calculus and it went really quiet. So it's like you just hear. Scribble scribble scribble. Yes and like people's mind saying oh crap. Am i going to have to know this on the. It's going to be on the test. Yes professor konrad knew for sure. Add worked during the next class when one of those guys try to start up again but this time his buddies wouldn't back up the deferred to professor konrad. I had a bit of a smile. A small smile. I may have gone back to my office skipping. Professor konrad has now taught economics at duke university and barnard college and pomona college where she is now professor emeritus and she says that that lesson from the very first year at duke has stuck with her. I realized that i would have to do that. Some version of filling the board with calculus. Because in almost any room there's a moment of just establishing your credentials. You have to sort of work them. In to the conversation. Even though i had a pd from stanford university people are. They have a hard time.
John and Ken on Demand
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"And pouring it into communities in and around and napa which has been burning like crazy lake county which has been burning crazy and down here. Obviously we gotta fire in the los padres national forest currently So if we were proactive and did stuff before the fires came We wouldn't need all the helicopters bulldozers and the firefighters themselves would be given A little bit more buffer room to work with. So i mean the thing you're talking about is clearing defensible space and communities bagley. Explain what that me though. you know. there's a couple of ways to think about it. Anybody lives up in wrightwood. i'd awhile big bear Knows because everybody's been talking about it. If you clear out one hundred to two hundred feet and i'm a big fan of two hundred feet not one hundred and so you know some parts of the state only asked for twenty five feet which is like ridiculous but if you clear that out It gives you you know. Honestly we want people to be safe now and if if one hundred feet gives you time to get in your car and get the hell out of there. I'm all for one hundred feet. I would say. Go two hundred out from your cabinet or whatever it may be That's the kind of work that an individual can do a community Then can do more. Because you know it's it's gotta town boundary that it can work on and so what you wanna do in these targeted situations is Clear these forests in a way that we still keep the forest. But you know you might take out snags and other kinds of things that that are generating. There's a recent report out from the fourth service which actually says and and i'm fascinated by the resolute the the result which is it's actually less to force than the things the houses bring with them like propane tanks automobiles and the like that really are the accelerate for fires. And that just scares the hell out of me all dog. I wanna talked to about the history of all of this. I'm talking to professor shawn miller. Pomona college didn't show many times before but while and of course the gloom and doom prediction is that the wildfire season. If you want to call it that the wildfires coming up here are going to be extreme. Because the drought is a lot of dry brush all over the state. He's wm keck professor of environmental studying analysis in history at pomona college. More coming up.
Blood on Gold Mountain: A Story from the 1871 LA Chinatown Massacre
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"The fire crackled and hissed. There was plenty more that yet ho could have told them about her time in guangzhou the suffocating crowds the hellish reek. That pervaded the thorny field in which her family and a thousand other refugees from the countryside were camped the hunger once as she was returning to camp with a bag of steel buns. A teenage boy had run up and sees them knocking her to the ground another time a drunken man had followed her back to camp only skulking off when her mother and father came rushing out of their tent. With the precious metal knives they had saved from their cottage. Before abandoning it in the slums of guangzhou there were no acorns or pine bark for forage and no fish to be caught in the filthy stinking watchers. Choy had sent money as often as he could but there was never enough food. Her parents would look at each other. And say we're not hungry and yet how would eat. Whatever meager portion there was torn between equally overwhelming feelings of gratitude and shame. Eventually her parents grew so weak that they were unable to get up from the pile of rags in which they slept. It's all right. They told her invoices as thin and brittle as rice paper really. We're not hungry. At this point. Food would just kill us anyway. Go away from this place. It's bad for your health. Go in live go to gold mountain like your brother and find out if there is a place where people like us can exist without worrying about wars or famines or emperors. She had nodded and promised them that she would and she had kept her promise but she had stayed long enough to burn their bodies on a fire of stolen scrap wood down by the banks of some nameless canal. outside in the darkened hollow. The silence was so deep that it seemed to press in on all sides. Seeping through the walls and insinuating itself into the very bones of the two travelers and their host only. The fire seemed to offer any resistance throwing long streaks of flickering light and shadow and punctuating the quiet with small explosive crackle ings of defiance at last their host shifted his weight and spoke so the white man came and drove from your home where your ancestors died and where the very earth is as one with your people. Yet ho nodded where the creator goddess formed are people from the brown clay of the riverbank. She replied yes and now the old man continued. You have come across the sea on one of the white man's great big steam powered. What did you call them. Metal covered ships and you have arrived on the land where my people have dwelt since the beginning of the world. If i had known about your country on the far side of the c. Perhaps i would have fled their a lifetime ago. When i still had a family to save that would have been foolish out of the frying pan into the fire as the white men say i wonder child. What did you expect to find here. Safety hardly prosperity perhaps a better life. That doesn't sound like it should be too difficult and yet you trailed off and yet was suddenly uncomfortably aware of just how young she was she felt as though she had unwittingly stumbled into the middle of a very long quiet story and had made a scene odd choice stretched and stood up his head brushed. The ceiling of the old man's house and his shadow seemed to cover an entire wall and darkness. Haya we've kept you up much too long. Thank you for your hospitality. We must go now and sleep. We leave early with the sun as usual. We go south. But i am expected back in san francisco in a week's time. May i stop here again on my way back. The old man chuckled. The condor warrior is always polite to his elders. Yes you can stop here on your way back. You are always welcome here. You remind me of my son before they took him away to the indian school and as for you young lady he looked yacht. Ho straightened the eyes and for a moment. She imagines that she could be looking at her own father in some other world where he had lived to reach old age. I hope the old man's side. I don't know how likely it is that you'll find whatever you're looking for in this country but whatever it is that you do fight. He smiled a smile. That was as sad as his laugh but sweet instead of bitter. I hope that it makes you happy. Octroi choi translated and yet host stamford her. Thanks but the old man had turned away from them and was staring into the fire alone with his thoughts in the silence. If you enjoyed the show and what to you more tell us in a review and become one of our community backers at blood on gold mountain dot com slash support. Remember to follow us. Wherever you listen to podcasts and reach out with thoughts and questions on instagram and facebook at blood on gold bouncing episode three the widow will be released on wednesday april twenty. First blood uncle mountain is brought to you. 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KQED Radio
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"How some partisan national organizations are strategizing for the work of redistricting. But a growing number of states have in recent years made attempts to strip politics out of this process by removing the map, making power from the Legislature and handing it over to an independent commission who gets to be on this commission and how the process actually works varies from state to state. I was interested in hearing how the commission process works in a state Where it's already been tested. So we turned to California, whose first commission was formed back in 2010 this time around. There are 14 new members, but the process for choosing them work the same. Col. Mitchell is owner of Redistricting Partners and the vice president of political data. He's based in Sacramento, California, We asked him to walk us through the steps, the commission process for getting people from kind of an application to the actual, you know, Steve on the commission. Was actually created by Charles Munger. Bow Tying, conservative, unique guy with some flair created this process that I kind of like to call chutes and ladders process for selecting commissioners where you start with this broad application process. Then any commissioner applicants who meet the basic criteria basically not conflicted out. Are then asked to do a second application with kind of an essay component to talk a little bit more about them and why they want to be on the commission, then the state auditor's office, which has nothing to do with redistricting or politics, but was chosen because it's kind of a You know, objective agency. They see a panel that is randomly selected of attorneys from the state auditor's office to go through these applications and start selecting the highest qualified. They take these applicants. They narrow the field. It goes to the Legislature, where the Legislature has evolved, dear process in order to Have the list down even further, And then it goes back to the state out of his office for this bouncing ball process where they literally wheel in the bouncing ball machine from the state lottery for one And select randomly, the first set of commissioner's number 11 Jane Anderson that first set of commissioners. The lucky eight come in, and they get the opportunity to be seated as the commission and they begin the commission process. That Lucky Eights first job is to find six more commissioners to go back into that pool. And to find applicants that balance out the commission that balancing of the commission is done through the selection of what they call the chosen six. And this week I had the opportunity to talk with two of the newly minted commissioner's. My name is Jane Anderson. I'm a registered civil and structural engineer in the state of California. My name Sarah said. Want me? I'm an assistant professor of politics at Pomona College. I started out by asking them why on earth they chose to apply for this job. I've basically always been civically minded. I follow what's going on. I have no desire whatsoever to be a politician, but I feel we all need to participate in the process. But I have a specific skill set and something I don't do like the idea of writing report. That is not something that I would ever volunteer to do. And when I saw this job opportunity or this opportunity, I thought this is the absolute perfect thing I could do to not just participate. Could potentially be Valuable contributing member. Because what I do on a day in day out basis is I work with people. I work with facts, data grabby information from many different sources, and my ultimate product is a two dimensional drawing. And that is exactly what this commission is going to do. And I'm also used to working under extreme deadlines because my specialty is actually earthquake engineering. And specifically failures and collapses. And so when I'm called in, it's an emergency. And you have to quickly get something done. It's wonderful, but ultimately it has to drawing has to go out the door to specific time and that's sort of What I thought I could bring to this commission. Were you surprised that you made it through the entire process? Oh, absolutely. I did have the luxury of watching most of this process. And I have to say my hat's off to the state auditors who so so well did their job impartially out in the public. It was a wonderful experience of watch. And every single cut. I thought I made it. I was shocked. I was elated. And when my name came bouncing out of that little lottery ball Literally went into shock. My husband was jumping up and down. It was amazing. I was shocked. Greatly greatly pleased a Sarah, Can you tell us about your experience in this and your decision to apply in the first place? Yeah, sure. You know, I I should followed. System extent the 2010 process. I certainly knew about it. I understood what's its stake right? So I trained as a political scientist I write about and conduct research on Asian American and let Nick's voter behavior and so I have a very clear sense of what's at stake. And I just thought, well, I'll throw my name in because I think there needs to be a diverse school of candidates. And I never really in a million years thought that my name chosen or that I would make it through the process. So it was. It was definitely a pleasant surprise in a shock and Justin amazing opportunity to serve in this way right to serve the people of California. How are you able to do? You were current day job and balance this. I mean, how much of your time will this especially now that we're getting into the heart of redistricting is this Going to take up for you. It's a challenge. I'm not going to lie. I definitely work a nights and weekends for shore to do both. I should also note that I have three young kids at home as well, eh? So it's definitely a heavy workload but but also so rewarding, right? I mean, it's It's just incredible..
WNYC 93.9 FM
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"I think his work is maybe the most accessible on in some ways, the most optimistic it's the most illustration. ALS hey, creates images of very recognizable images of indigenous Mexicans that that kind of picture ask romantic way that when he comes to America, most of his murals are images, very affirmative images of industry and American Technology and abundance. Roscoe and CIA carols are much more dark seekers is much more political. Orosco is much more cynical about strife and struggle, and it's there Rivera just much more except sort of accessible. I think it's also the exhibition is a good reminder that David A was a second Person to have a monograph IQ exhibition at MoMA. The first one was Matisse and the second one was Rivera and that put things into perspective. He was a celebrity in the U. S. And one exciting thing about the exhibition is that we also have Well, I like to think of moralism as a concept. It wasn't just stuck to the wall. It wasn't necessarily frescoes in C two that could move. I think the idea of moralism was transported and disseminated all across a lacrosse Mexico but also the US through lithographs through portfolios, and that's very much the case of David are. We have, um Portfolio that we showed in the exhibition where you can see lithographs of this of sections of murals that he painted in Mexico, and this portfolio traveled around the U. S for six years. Wow. That's so interesting, so I'm okay. So I think people are maybe listen, anything I can picture What a Diego Rivera. A piece of his work is like What about Roscoe and Siqueiros? How did they did they compare to another where they were They wildly different in terms of their work. Or what was there? Sort of a A nun? Derlei. It was there something that was a conduit between the work. I think all three artists had very distinct styles and each of the artists than impacted US artists in very different ways. How would you let's talk about Roscoe because you mentioned the Pomona that promote of Prometheus. But first, could you describe that for our listeners for people who don't know what that looks like? Yeah, that mural is in the dining hall is still is. Students can have lunch and amazing. That's amazing, right to be around these murals and to study. Um, although school was a much more kind of Centered on universal ideas. He also Pollo Greek studies and culture and mythology. And so he's using Prometheus as this man coming out of the fire kind of renewal of mankind, and he was more interested in these more bigger ideas. That would be analogies, perhaps off society. Where cicadas Um hey, was much more politically strident, a much more forceful. They were all in imbued drama into their paintings for very different ways. Now, Jackson Pollock comes into play with both Roscoe and secure owes. How so? So Jackson Pollock is a young 17 year old went with his brother in 1930 just see the painting that a Roscoe and bathe at Pomona College. He called it the best painting in the Western Hemisphere. And he kept a photograph of it in this studio throughout the 19 thirties and in the exhibition we've juxtaposed Easel paintings by of Roscoe and Pollock. And the comparison is just so striking. Get it open to the book like that, Pacey! Yes. Oh polic sort of absorbs from Orosco. The sense of money, monumental forms fragmented forms, brooding color, that sense of strife and upheaval. And a very expressive kind of visceral brushstrokes. And then what was pox relationship to secure those? Yes, in 1936 cicadas comes to the US to New York, and he opens the experimental workshop. And one of the people who signed up for this workshop was Oh does sorry public and the the workshop had two purposes. One was to create art works for political events. And then the second one was really to experiment because that was also a revolutionary idea. It wasn't just Um, about revolutionary context of political context. But tied to that was a use off different techniques of different materials. That was pretty revolutionary that went hand in hand with this idea of revolutionary art. And so they're practicing, um, dripping pains using spray paint airbrush is different types of enamel thinks painting that would be used for cars, for example, they would use it on campuses. Do we know if Polic ever acknowledged them as influences know it's interesting. So there's Harold Bloom has this idea of the anxiety of influence and that very much characterizes politics relationship to the Securities workshop in the unconventional painting techniques that he very much absorbed that his family and friends acknowledges being influences on him. But when he began to do the drip paintings in 1947, and was heralded for being so original That point. I think it was hard for him to go back and recognize this very formative experience that he'd had in the thirties. We talked earlier about the accessibility of the popularity of Diego Rivera, but his popularity did start to wane in the forties. Why Well, so for several things kind of worked against the acceptance of Rivera, one from the left, he was castigated for working with the capitalists. So the left wing politics political wing of the American landscape was even beginning in. 1932 was already castigating him because he he signed he was working for all the castle is in America. He was a sellout. And then after the Rockefeller Center mural was Bird and then destroyed. Rivera went back to Mexico on his American career. At that point was really destroyed. It became very famous. He was the most famous work artist in America because newspapers all across the country covered the censorship that it happened to this Mexican artist, But it did destroy his. His career in America no longer had any any mural commissions and back in Mexico. He continued to make Urals in Mexico for the Mexican government. But some of his easel paintings began to sort of re channel images that he had done earlier. And so he was seen as somebody that was repeating himself, making these portrait's of indigenous. We're old population the women of to want to pack. It seemed less intense and less dynamic than the original paintings of those those subjects that he had done. How did the Mexican muralists inspire the federal art programs? The commission's by FDR. That's so interesting. So George Biddle, who was a patrician from Philadelphia, was a friend of Roosevelt's had gone to school with Roosevelt. Was also an artist, and he'd gone down to Mexico and work with Rivera. And once Roosevelt became president. Immediately after Biddle sent him a letter saying that the the President Obregon in Mexico had hired artists at Plummer's wages to depict the social ideals of the Mexican revolution, and that there were artists in America eager to depict the Social Revolution under Roosevelt. And it was that letter that Roosevelt gave to his Treasury secretary that led to artists big part of the work programs initiated under the new deal. How do we see the influence of the Mexican artist done by the American artists under this federal program? Well, we see it in terms of the iconography, the visual the vocabulary. We have one good example that we, um, side today. Actually giving a tour tour does since, um Philip ever good. You see the use of really strong, vivid, bold colors, the really busy foreground of figures working in different types of industries of mining the coal industry on did you? We see a bunch of these studies. But what's interesting, I think when people start comparing the WFP murals and the studies to the Mexican muralists is that the content content is perhaps slightly less politically over to than the Mexicans. I think the Mexicans, um Really embrace that the more communist socialist ideology than the Americans because of the For the under the W. P a arts section, the Miralles had to be a little bit more palatable for all Americans. Barbara Haskell, an assistant curator. Marcella Guerrero, about the Whitney exhibit titled Vita Americana. Mexican muralist remake American Art 1925 to 45 on view through this Sunday, January 31st.
Press Play with Madeleine Brand
Trump administration opens up drilling on federal land in California
"The trump administration is lifting a five year ban on hydraulic fracking and oil drilling on more than a million acres of federal land across central California in Fresno current Santa Barbara and Bakersfield counties one parcel is near your somebody another near the subway and national park on fire mentalist are outraged and so is California Attorney General have your but Serra who says he'll fight it here to talk about this is terminal he's professor of environmental analysis at Pomona College welcome back to press play thank you madam well tell us about this land and why the administration is doing this well there's a couple of things that play first of all this talk about fracking as a technology which admittedly opens up wells that in many cases seem to have been played out and so industry loves this new technology is actually an old technology but the new application of it that has done remarkable work for them in pulling oil out of the ground and gas out of the ground that they didn't think they could manage so that's the tech side the politics of this or even more interesting because again this is California because this is a top administrative play no one can avoid the fact that this is in direct response to governor Newsome's argument that fracking would be under scientific review in the state of California and here's the federal government sort of suggesting that its power overseas over overwhelms out of this date so in the end we're gonna see a lot of lawsuits lawsuits based on states rights yeah you know the irony of course is not missed on anyone that this is a states rights argument at one level but it's also a question about the rulings in twenty fourteen that set aside L. B. L. lambs decision original decision to approve fracking up along the central coast and elsewhere the BLM now says it has complied with a court order but that calm whether it fully complied is probably going to be the technical part of the lawsuit but the other will be but Serra as he has been doing repeatedly sense twenty seventeen is going to suit to challenge this and basically to bog down any federal action in the state of California okay so does that mean nothing's going to happen until these lawsuits go forward well I think that's what it means because that's what it is meant in other instances in different ways so you know whether it's ninety circuit will hear this I don't know but I assume that's were the suits will go to and you know that's been tends to be sympathetic to the arguments that California has been making about the environment over the years and actually other states under its jurisdiction so my guess is this is going to end in court my guess is that by keeping it in court this becomes a way by which to slow the process down certainly until twenty twenty elections and if the White House is flipped then I think California among other places will breathe a sigh of relief but in general this is federal land feds have the ability to do whatever they want with it even if it is an **** state yeah that's that's sort of sticking point because the bureau of land management since and leave early nineteenth century has had control of all mineral rights under federal property everywhere and this is federal property your but the state of California and last month attack governor Newsome said the moratorium on fracking will review all permits in the state and that includes federal lands so it's not clear to me that legal jurisdiction or the legal legitimacy if that claim but I think that will also be adjudicated in the courts general though pre governor knew some governor brown was pretty open to allowing fracking in California right he was and that that drove drove many of us crazy because the the sort of green perspective that he loaded and and frankly did a lot of good a lot of good issues seem to be in conflict and his argument was that oil and gas have been crucial to California's economy we want to continue that process even though and the other hand we're talking about trying to become more carbon free and I think that in the end is going to be one of the central issues in the public debate which is the same moment in which cop twenty five is meeting in Barcelona and the United States is fundamentally absent from that global conversation about how to move towards a carbon free economy the trump administration is demonstrating once again is that it is most interested in being retrogressive and that it perceives that oil and gas of the way to go and the world be damned but then you have localities localities which are hurting financially like sure Kern county in the board of supervisors there unanimous unanimously approved a measure to bring the oil industry and to present their plans so you've got the on a local level you've got some lawmakers really wanting this to happen yeah you do and I fully appreciate their their desires to make that work it we've seen this in the past and walking areas for example in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties when clear cutting was cut back literally and logging town suffered enormously as a consequence of part of what I think any good state policy and frankly fed policy needs to do is to think very seriously about the economic impact on localities on the one hand that against the broader interests in this case carbon free economy in a climate change the world and and do some serious thinking about this you know in the early nineteen twenties to Justin name a person Gifford Pinchot who had been the first head of the four service wrote quite poignantly about the logging towns in Pennsylvania that had turned out empty because all of the winter but the four deforested and he was very concerned about those kind of economic ramifications and and we need to take that seriously I guess that's the larger point is we've got to take it seriously and there has to be a way by which to negotiate this process wholesale opening up public lands to fracking is not that policy it is a kind of political pay back that I think will not work to the president's advantage thanks for coming on today my great pleasure thank metal term Miller professor of environmental analysis at Pomona