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Class in Session: Cloud Gaming Could Impact Environment with Widespread Adoption

College Esports QuickTake

02:53 min | 10 months ago

Class in Session: Cloud Gaming Could Impact Environment with Widespread Adoption

"Welcome to classes in session where we look at academic research focused on gaming on the trains took College Esports quick take presented by E Sports Network. A lot of our Studies have looked at the positive benefits gaming can have on human populations. But today we're looking at a potential negative according to researchers at Lancaster University who published their finances the 7th International Conference on ICT for sustainability cloud gaming if it were to become widespread could have a major impact on the environment wage limit changes in my opinion the biggest issue facing Humanity. It's important to consider how the things we do impact the environment around us generally gaming doesn't have a huge impact, but Horizon cloud gaming could have huge ramifications before we jump into the findings. I have to shout out in the cool Carpenter one of the best e Sports writers out there. She published a full article on this issue and polygon this morning. That's how I came across. No link the article below. It's something worth reading as most Gamers know cloud gaming is a big area of focus for the main gaming companies xcloud stadia PlayStation now or all big initiatives page right now cloud gaming has a negligible impact on the environment mainly because it accounts very very small percentage of all gaming being played the Lancaster University researchers modeled three possibilities by the year twenty-thirty the one where cloud gaming that's literally playing video games straight from the cloud not just downloading them from the cloud just to be clear stays a small part of overall gaming that model had little effect on the environment the second model assumes 30% of Gamers plaid primarily cloud-based streaming games that would increase the carbon emissions of gaming by about 30% and 5 or if ninety percent of people switched over to playing games on the cloud that would increase carbon emissions of gaming by a hundred and 12% Those models were also assuming Gamers continue to play in 7 a.m. And 20 and 1080p if 4K gaming took over that would have a massive effect on the environment that final example were ninety percent of gamers are suddenly playing video games on a cloud would require massive bounds in Internet infrastructure, and it's incredibly unlikely, but it's also something to be informed about and consider when debating what to play and what to subscribe to now the big savings page. This is also highlighted by Nicole and her article. This study assumes the cloud service are being run by fossil fuels not by Clean Energy if we can make a transition to clean energy. This study is basically month so far gaming friends. This is just one more reason to push everything towards clean energy. We're going to need it quickly. That's all four episode of the ecology Sports quick. Take again read that article from Nicole link below and I'll be back tomorrow and Spotlight highlighting one of the top ecology Sports programs in North America.

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Mac OS Ken: 08.18.2020

Mac OS Ken

18:51 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 08.18.2020

"It. Is Mac Os Ken delay this apples epic battle putting dollar amounts to a we Chad ban and bit of Apple TV news. It's Tuesday the eighteenth of August twenty twenty. I'm Ken Ray and this is news from Moco. West. Ken brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by Ray. RECON, makers of true wireless ear but. Get fifteen percent off your order at by Ray Khan, dot com slash meko West can. This show is also sponsored by better help online counseling. That's there for you. If you've ever or never tried to find a counselor. The whole thing can be tough. The process is better with better help. You answer questions about yourself, what issues you want to work on. As, well, as a few questions about the kind of counselor, you WanNa work with. Better help takes that information then looks through the thousands of licensed professionals with it works to find the right person for you. And if they end up being not the right person for you. Better help makes it easy and free to change counselors? So many people have been using better, help their recruiting additional counselors and all fifty states. Voice text video chat. The whole things online. Which means help is always near. If you need help give better help a try. As a listener, you'll get ten percent off your first month by visiting better help dot com slash Meko West can. Join over one million people taking charge of their mental health. Again. That is better help. H. E. L.. P.. Better help dot com slash Moco West can. One more time. It's better help dot com slash Muko West Ken. And a big thanks to better help for sponsoring today's show. EPIC Games has taken apple to court. I won't say the suits crazy but it does sound crazy. Business insider says the company has filed a temporary restraining order against apple with the intention of getting fortnight back onto apple's APP store. According to the report if granted by Judge Restraining Order would legally stop apple from removing delisting refusing to list or otherwise make unavailable the APP fortnight including any update thereof SOUNDS CRAZY RIGHT Turns out that epics fighting for something more though according to business insider the filing revealed potentially far wider impact of apple and epochs legal fight. EPIC will lose access to Apple's developer program by the twenty eighth. Of August the company said if it's up doesn't comply with APP store guidelines. This would mean that all of epochs APPs in the IOS APPs store would be pulled from listing importantly epoch says getting booted from the program would also mean it can access certain technology for developers. For, more on that bit, we turn to C. Net, which has epoch suit saying not content simply to remove Ford night from the APP store apple is attacking epics entire business in unrelated areas. Venture beat polls another paragraph from the filing that says that the unreal engine can no longer support platforms. The software developers that use it will be forced to use alternatives the damage to epochs ongoing business into its reputation and trust with its customers will be unquantifiable and irreparable. Preliminary. injunctive relief is necessary to prevent apple from crushing epic before this case could ever get to judgement. So how many games are we talking about? I have no idea and a piece from CNBC GIVES US mixed messages. Seriously one piece pushes both the freakout button and one that plays cool and the gang. The CNBC headline says how Apple's battle with epic games could affect hundreds of other games beyond fortnight. Hundreds, but there are only. Millions of APPs in the APP store. This is where the messages start mixing. The same. CNBC. Piece points out that unreal engine is not the only game in town according to the report while the unreal engine is popular on consoles in P., C.'s many mobile games use a competing and JEN unity which has not been affected. Wedbush analyst Michael Packer Tell CNBC unreal is used in some mobile games, but only a small minority. Unity is far more pervasive so hard to quantify the impact on the ban. My problem is well, i. have many including a few around this story. First of all, while epoch may have several valid points. The way they've gone about this whole thing is made them. Difficult to. Trust. When. They said losing their developer license would mean developers could not use unreal engine. I had questions because I'm not a developer and that is my second problem around this story. Reach out to a developer friend of mine but he was too busy to answer my question that sent me the twitter not to complain about my friend though he is a jerk. But to ask the question I tried to ask Mr Ain't got time for you ask. The question, I put to types on twitter is what epica saying true. They say apple revokes developer license they won't be able to update. Unreal. Engine. For. Developers to use. Does unreal engine access come through the APP store or is it that they would lose the ability to test? At Ross kinds was kind enough to respond. According to Ross doesn't go through the APP. Store. But. Certain features require certificates that need an apple developer account if those certificates are invalidated, they won't be able to release builds of the engine through x Coda. And not sure there are actually using any of those features he continued it could simply be a licensing issue can't distribute. Bildt's without a licensing agreement. Not really sure on this one since we exclusively distributed on the APP store. So never had this situation. So. What epic is saying may be true. which brings us. Back to my. First problem. Around the story. It's hard to know whether one can trust epic in this situation. If it feels like everybody suddenly ganging up on apple that may be by design apple insider report from the information that says epic games either is working on or has worked on building a coalition of Apple. Critics. It's unclear which companies are in the coalition while it seems spotify may have known that the moves epic was about to make last week. The report says, the streaming music service was not yet part of the coalition as of last week. As for why such a coalition, the peace says, one unnamed source described the effort as a means to steer public perception of the iphone maker. Epics desire to take the fight out of the court and into the public arena was made clear last week when the gaming company released a short video lampooning. Hundred Eighty four ad. The parody hit twitter and fortnight. After the lawsuit was announced. You know as a point of interest I found myself wondering. What happens if you get caught cheating at fortnight? I found polygon article from last November. That told her pretty damning tale. The cording to that Phase Jarvis a youtuber with nearly two million subscribers has been permanently banned from playing fortnight after uploading videos where he uses cheating software to kill enemies. Known as aim bots. Jarvis used the accuracy modifications to gain advantage in non-competitive modes such as so lows. So he broke the rules to which he agreed and got kicked out. Who Do such a Right epic games. Kids find by the way he's got three point five million followers on. Youtube. At the time of this writing. You may be wondering about Apple's reaction to the latest terms from epic. For most of the day it was nothing new. The company actually pointed curious parties back to the statement issued last week however late Monday evening. CIDER had the Cupertino company issuing a new statement. Quoting part of that, the problem epic has created for itself as one can easily be remedied if they submit an upstairs their up, that reverts it to comply with the guidelines they agreed to and which apply to all developers. We won't make an exception for epic because we don't think it's right to put their business interests ahead of the guidelines that protect our customers. More news in a moment but first a word from Ray Khan makers of. Wireless. Ear Buds. Ray Come. earbud. Started about half the price of other premium wireless ear buds out there. And they sang. Seriously, you put them in, they play a little jingle and let you know a friendly voice that they are powered and connected. Could be why musicians like Melissa Ethridge Jr Smith and Brandy liked them because the music is baked in. You get everything you'd expect. Easy, to handle controls a built in Mike for Making and taking calls seamless Bluetooth parenting six hours of playtime and a case for on the go charging. All that plus a bit of color. Feeling blue seeing red maybe giving rose gold. Some love. You get a few choices of colors and styles. I've been using the everyday three, twenty five. They got a great sound and a noise isolating fed blocking the noises I don't want to hear. Whether you're looking for a spare pair or your first pair of true. Wireless Yearbook Buds. Now's the time to get the latest and greatest from Ray recon. Get fifteen percent off your order at by Ray con dot com slash meko Os can. That's B. U. Y. R. A. Y. C. O. N.. By RECON DOT COM Slash Muko West Ken for fifteen percent off RECON wireless buds. By Ray. Khan. Dot Com slash Mecca West Ken. And a big thanks to recon for sponsoring today's show. New numbers around the hurt a we chat band could put on Apple. We've heard percentages from TI, international analysts, Mingji quo he says, apple has to pull. We chat from the US APP store. IPHONE sales could fall between three and six percent, but if apple has to pull, we chat from all of its APP stores. Global iphone sales could fall as much as thirty percent. That comes out to a surprising number of dollars call to Mike Highlights analysis from seeking. Alpha. According that site nip seventy, five percent of IPHONE and IPAD sales in China vanish because of this. That estimates and decline of about twenty one, billion dollars in net revenue aside from a related draw down in services, which could add four to five billion to that decline estimate. If fifty percent of IPHONE and IPAD sales banish that would estimate a decline of about fourteen billion dollars in revenue and services associated could add another two to three billion to that decline. At worst piece says you're only looking at about ten percent of annual revenue going away. So you know. Whatever? Coming soon, more time to give apple more money. It's cooler than it sounds macrumors highlights a Bloomberg report says people in the US and Canada who buy new apple gear or about to get a year to add on Apple Care plus currently you've got sixty days from the purchase of new apple hardware to add that coverage. Nothing official on this yet, and we're missing some details to. Bloomberg doesn't say whether the extension is for all apple hardware or just iphone only. Additionally while the publication says, it's heard the word from retail stop and customer support employees. Apple's own documentation still shows a sixty day window, not three, sixty five. Along with likely extended coverage, more places to get your mack fixed apple insider says, apple has expanded its independent retail shop program to include the MAC. The piece as that's the program that provides independent repair businesses with access to the same tools, manuals, diagnostics, and parts as apple stores and apple authorized service providers with the company now supplying parts for Mac repairs. APPLECART has started popping up on some equifax credit reports. That's the headline on a piece from. The Guard was already showing up on reports from experience and trends union with all three reporting agencies and play. The says Apple Card and to use can affect the user's credit rating both positively and negatively. Just like any other credit card. Because it's growed up, but it's grows up in its growed up. It was a rumor going around last week that apple was about to operate CBS all access showtime bundle. Turns out that rumor was correct. Another piece for my more says Apple TV plus announced Monday the arrival of that bundle for nine dollars and ninety nine cents per month. There is one caveat the bundle is only good through the apple. TV APP. Kind of a drag though with the apple TV APP available on almost everything apple makes a number of third party streaming devices and a growing list of smart TV's. It's not like when ipod worked on the MAC and I was at. News of a new show headed the apple. TV plus the streaming service on at a press release Monday announcing an order for the series Mike kind of country. According to the release, apple has ordered its first competition series, which must make planet of the APPS feel great. Produced by Reese Witherspoon Telo Sunshine. Apple says, my kind of country will revolutionize the music competition genre with a fresh new documentary sensibility. The hybrid series will break down cultural and musical barriers in the country music space inviting innovative musicians to unleash their authentic voices and take center stage. The series will premiere globally on Apple TV plus. No indication is given as to when it'll make that premiere. And finally, today a story that is both surprising and not totally surprising. Deadline says production has resumed on the Apple TV plus series for all mankind. Turns out they were close to done when they had this stop. When production shut down in March they only had two episodes left to shoot according to the report. I say it's both surprising and not totally surprising. It is surprising because. Well football schools theme parks, restaurants. On the not totally surprising side it was just about three weeks ago that apple released a trailer for season two of the show. Apparently the company knew something we did not. Still. No word on when season two will touchdown. Coming up in a few minutes. A lot of US Know Matt Casts Adam Christianson as an apple guy. But how do you get that way? We'll get Adam's apple story in a few minutes. Listen wherever you get podcasts or watch and listen on Youtube. 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How Does Animal Crossing's Black Market Reflect the Real World Economy?

Wild Wild Tech

29:38 min | 1 year ago

How Does Animal Crossing's Black Market Reflect the Real World Economy?

"Alright confession time Jordan I don't know the first thing about investments. Do you ever purchased stocks. Not once yeah neither did I. How collective depends? I couldn't tell you buy low sell high that ring. Any bells. In an advert woods or how `bout turnips yes. Yes. This one I do is that is that what this does avow that's what this episode is about. Yeah. Today, we're talking about it mania an animal crossing animal crossing maybe the biggest success story in games right now it's a game for the wildly popular Nintendo switch and arrived in late March twenty twenty just as the world was answering lockdown. Yeah I've been playing since the day it came out and a lot of my. Friends have as well. It's basically where we hang out because we see each other in real life actually interviewed a bunch of them in the game for a podcast Oh. What a good idea for those who may not know it's very sweet game were you go off to a deserted island and very slowly turned it into a vibrant town full of animal friends. But Funny Story Jordan you and your friends and your villagers aren't the only guest on your island someone else shows up. who capitalism my friend. A- capitalism comes and it brings with it mania over turnips a market crash bounces for protection adorable animal trafficking, all the horrors of the free market. So today we're going to hear from someone who got caught up in the craze firsthand. Josh? Money. Now it's just I don't need any more of it for literally any reason it gets wild. So wild, the virtual economy of crossing even began to spill over into the real economy affecting players both inside and outside the game. So how did the relaxing world of animal crossing acute soothing game blur the line between game world and the real world and become a nightmare. When we get back how animal crossing turned Willful Wall Street. Hello and welcome back to wild wild tech I'm Josh. And I'm doing Erika Weber and we are back again to bring you some of the wild stories from where culture and technology collide like video games that get a little out of. Extremely out of hand, but it doesn't start that way. It never does. So explain animal crossing people who may not be familiar I thought it'd be fun to play together ready to jump in. Yeah absolutely. Some island or should I go to yours? Can you come to my island because my flowers? Needful cheering. Does that. Okay. Yes. Sure. I'll go ahead and use the code you gave me earlier to fly to your island. So, in crossing your characters cute little around cartoon human right and you have your own islands and now I've landed and there's Jordan she's wearing cute little address glasses looks a lot like how she looks. Now Yeah everyone says that and the dresses are very important to me. My Wardrobe is the most important thing in the game. So yeah, in addition to like flowers outfits in animal crossing everyone has a house that you can continually decorate an improve. You can also catch fish pick fruit, collect bugs, or fossils, and trade with other players, and of course, a big part of the game is doing chores, but with your friends. Jordan speaking chores with friends where the flowers unique water. So you should be able to see the clearly marked out garden with a sign that I made myself with a pitcher for watering can on it so you could just water everything that is in soil please. Wow, Jordan's flowers are all organized along a color spectrum, which is very, very lovely, and there's like little benches there. You can sit in and Meyer them very well done Nice Botanical Garden Experience Jordan. Thank you just you're yeah that's what animal crossing is all about relaxation cuteness friendship. So now you know the basics of animal crossing and why people are so drawn to it. Another reason animal crossing so successful is that it arrived in a perfect storm of circumstance. There is the Nintendo switch, which is a wildly popular video game console that's appealing to people who maybe weren't drawn to an xbox playstation. There's the fact that Atom Crossing New Horizons the latest in a series arrived seven years after the previous animal crossing new leaf and I've been waiting every single year. Yeah there's always been. A hardcore you know animal crossing fan base like people love these games and then there's also the fact that this game is connected console and a time where it's incredibly easy to share what you're up to on social media. Yes, and it's also super approachable. It's not difficult to play. It doesn't try to test you and it's all about expressing yourself as well. It's about creativity and kind of showing what you can do kind of like the Sims of all those the biggest reason animal crossing became phenomenon was the unforeseen timing of the game animal crossing arrived just as people around the world. Answered Self Quarantine in response to the coronavirus pandemic giving everyone a new shared social space at the same time we lost most of them. Yeah. I mean it was basically how I was talking to my friends during lockdown when I couldn't see them in person. Yeah. It's also helpful and compelling because animal crossing gives you concrete things to do. You don't just dream up whatever you want to put on your island you have to work for it. Your job may be on furlough, but here's adorable meaningful work. You need money bells in the animal crossing universe to help build out the island. Of Your Dreams, you have a mortgage to pay off but don't worry there's no interest or deadline cool clothes and decor to by and all sorts of things you can get to just improve the appearance of your island of close to get the money you have to do kind of chose like you have to do fishing catch bugs, things like that collect fossils like I've been doing. Yeah. I'm big on collecting fossils 'cause I WANNA get a museum full of them? It's great once you museum is fully, you can sell the spasm for lots of bells. I WANNA be filthy rich and bells. And it sounds strange if you've never played the game right but there's like this, the soothing, very accomplished feeling that comes from clearing tasks and working towards you know a bigger house or or a Koi pond, but you've always wanted but also like in the real world working isn't the fastest way to make money and that is where the turnips come in. Animal animal crossing the selling of turnips is called the stock market get because turnips have stokes S. T. a. l.. K. and that sounds like stocks S. T. O. C. K. in case anyone needed an explanation the stock market is a speculative market. So once a week on Sunday mornings, you buy tenets from a traveling turnip merchant you can buy as many as you like and the price. Is Always between ninety and one, hundred, ten bells I think, and then every day of the week following that you can sell those turnips at the store on your island or someone else's island at a price that changes twice a day, and then the goal is to turn a profit before the following Sunday because if you don't sell them then at that point they wrought and they become worthless. And the interesting thing about this like Jordan said is that everyone has a different price. So even if you're island store is buying turnips for pennies on the bell while there's a good chance, you can make a fortune selling them on someone else's island. You've just gotTa find out which so can you see where this is going Joshua? I have been there done that. Got The t shirt. Yeah. But I wanted to talk to someone who got in deep someone who won Big High Zach, Reno. I live in Los. Angeles. I am an actor and a writer and a host of a podcast called book the improvised musical or we improvise a musical and that's it. Zach. Came to my attention because the stock market caused them to do something unusual on his animal crossing island but we'll get to that I. I wanted. To know what drew him into the game and it wasn't the high stakes speculative market at its core say life simulator and it was just like a very low stress game where you sort of walk around and decorate Your House and talk to your animal friends all of which things are very and have always been inside of my brand. The other thing I like about it is that it is a sort of game that is meant to be played. Over a long period of time because it's on a real time clock, say the game doesn't pose and wait for you. When you go to sleep, it's the opposite of fast paced, which is kind of intriguing something. adorable is always happening round the clock. So you log in at three o'clock pm it's three o'clock. There you lock at three o'clock. Am It's the middle of the night and there's different stuff going on and the seasons change right so This game will be different a month from now than it is now, which is cool. Yeah and despite Zach's chill intentions, he quickly threw himself into the stock market once it opened. I. Jumped in right away and the first two weeks I was really aggressive about it like I bought literally took literally all the money I had put it in the stock market and then went on twitter and like typed in turnips and then refreshed over and over again. Found, found like a good island price that I could do it. That was too crazy and I didn't enjoy that at all. This is the wild part to me. Immediately, there was an ad hoc network of people sharing turn up prices charting with the parents were like coming up with tools, guessing one and where good prices would show up all basically overnight. Yeah. I'm actually in discord with a bunch of my friends and other people who are playing the game and they're all tracking that tenant prices on this kind of. spreadsheet that predicts what your prices will be throughout the week, and then as my sister who doesn't bother with all that she just goes straight for this site where you could just to a stranger's island who has the highest price and cellular turnips there and that kind of makes things kind of cutthroat. You know like people could be dishonest about their prices and chase like social media clout or you could have people come and steal your turnips right? Which is why in some cases you had bouncers or like fences which. Is One thing Zach as he got more and more wrapped up in the stock market started to think about her getting into my controversial turn-up room Joshua which people said was a turnip jail simply because I had jail bars on the front of it to keep people out of my turnip broom. Now maintained that bars are used on all sorts of things that are not jails. For example, vaults have bars. This was my turn volt turnips were safe from people was not a turn of jail it might have been A. Turnip, jail but it was a turnip fault because they filled the they filled the vault not jail and I had to put them in the kitchen and also the bedroom because if I leave them outside my house, anyone can pick them up unless I fenced them in a maternal branch, which I also did a little bit by no people that just leave those on the beach but you can't have visitors over because that's like leaving your dollar bills around just. So we're clear Jordan Zach had turned vault Mata turned up jail. Yeah really needed to emphasize that. So, Zach with his turn vault and a steady supply of clout chasing social media accounts eventually worked out a way to make bank on his supply of turnips. Do you think he likes the game better or worse now after all this? I think it might have spoiled it for him a little bit. You know like a rotten turnip listen to how he describes things now, Josh I. Just have so much money. Now it's just I don't need any more of it for literally any reason. There's like weird scarcity of other things in the game. There's only so much. You can actually physically by like my house isn't getting any bigger I could buy another house, but I have to start a new character to do that and like I'm not going to really do that. He won Jordan. He won capitalism. Congratulations. But can you really win capitalism? Right the grass is always greener and that's when things start to take a dark turn in the world of animal crossing you stick around and we'll tell you a little bit about what makes people go bananas for the Stock Market and the dark things that happen when turned up trading just isn't enough anymore. Support for this podcast comes from state farm with surprisingly great rates. State farm is the real deal when it comes to home in Car Insurance State Farm agents are in your neighborhood ready to help personalize your insurance and you can manage your coverage, pay your bill or even file a claim right from your phone with the state farm mobile APP visit. State farm. Dot Com today to get a great rate without sacrificing great service that State Farm Dot Com when you want the real deal like a good neighbor. State farm is their support for this podcast comes from Goldman. Sachs companies in the top quarter for diversity are thirty three percent more likely to have industry leading profitability and those in the top four tiles for gender diversity or twenty one percent more likely to outperform. This data was the catalyst behind launch, with G., s. a five hundred, million dollar investment strategy that continues to focus on increasing access to capital for women Black Latino next and other diverse entrepreneurs learn more at gs dot com slash launch with G. S.. Jordan I'm curious how swept up in the stock market crash that you get. Out of the game now but that was only because I spent several weeks monitoring my network of friends to make sure that I always sold at a high price and I made a grant of ten million bells to get the achievement and then I stopped yeah. Yeah. I'm asking because Zach isn't an edge case turn up Walter side like you. All of my animal crossing playing friends succumb to some form of turn fever and if I wasn't otherwise occupied and if I'm honest I, extremely forgetful I would have also tried my lug at playing the market in order to make a nice stack for myself which feels kind of crass right or at least against the things we say to become animal four. I guess it's kind of a way to fast track your way through the game, and that is not the point of animal crossing, right so I wanted to talk to someone who spent a lot of time thinking about how games have this weird tendency to sort of emulate the realities of our economy in a way why can't we stop killing our Chil- island vibes with greed? Eric Peckham on the media columnist at Tech Crunch where I write about gaming entertainment and the future of virtual worlds. So animal crossing isn't the only game with currency to spend within the game on stuff you need or what and according to Eric. That's not just life. That's good. Game Design Part of successful game design is creating some form of of virtual economy within the game is basically. They're being items or currency that can be traded between players and some degree of scarcity where you can't just have an infinite amount of everything and so it forces you to trade with others to go through all sorts of obstacles or challenges within the game guides us through experiences so far. So good Eric's read a virtual economies is extremely line with animal crossings, very low stakes motivation for accruing bells but what about the stock market that's kind of a game within the game right? It attracts more people to play it. It gives. You more reasons who keep coming back every week participate is a great cut of psychological way to keep people engaged throughout the week and making sure they're continuing to stay part of this world from a Game Design Sam Point. It makes a lot of sense and here's a bit of insight that I'd never really thought about before Jordan. You know how part of the appeal of getting new stuff in animal crossing purely for cosmetic things? Yes. My Wardrobe is the most important thing in my game. So Peckham this isn't all that different than say. The photos on your instagram feed if it seems like people care about animal crossing more in this moment, it might be because our virtual worlds are starting to blur with the real one. He actually had the majority of the generation who spend meaningful time in virtual worlds, virtual economies where they can participate trade different goods just like I might pop on Instagram or snapchat and chat with people visit just an online sort of. Extension of real world interaction and activity games in other words aren't just things you do their places you go there parts of yourself. You visit and maintain the big wake up here for a lot of people will be that video games aren't just games anymore. They are are truly increasingly extensions of our real world. Lives are real world economies, right either two point five, billion gamers in the world now, most people to some. Extent play video games, and Games are increasingly being designed as social hang out spots and ways to meet people spend time with people just like your has happened with social media ads that we think of as fairly normal video games are basically the next wave in this have social media online socializing space to me. This means that your animal crossing island is just as much an expression of your identity as your instagram profile. And so of course, you want to get a leg up on the fortune you need to make something reflective of you. The obsessive stockmarket behavior makes perfect sense when you think of it that way and just virtual economies make sense for virtual worlds. Peckham, argues that any problems that stem from them are also part and parcel with their inclusion. There are so many unintended consequences that come from video games becoming a kind of A. In their own right, I mean there been major issues around gambling especially underage gambling money laundering I. Mean you're you're inviting all sorts of problems that come with creating a market that's generally not heavily supervised. We're talking, of course about cheaters. But. How do you even cheating the game like animal crossing or even do anything approaching unsavory? Well, I'm not to ask Sarah I couldn't possibly comment on that. So one popular way of gaming. The system is by something called time traveling which Zach scribes for us in the context of the stock market. The one way to quote unquote sheet animal crossing is called time travel. The game is set to link to the real time clock of whatever time your switch that right which is connected to the Internet. So what people do is they changed the time of their switches at and they move forward in time in animal crossing. Yeah. Actually have friends who time travel, but it's just like a step too far for me but here's another thing in animal crossing you can keep your balls in. A bank account and that account like a real life savings account accrues interest and curiously like the Federal, Reserve Bank Nintendo lowered the interest rate. The very first month Nintendo was like oops are fake interest bank rate is too high. We need to turn it down, which is just wild if you think about it, it's so it's so low and they were like to high I actually got the letter from the Bank of nook about the interest rates going down the very same day that I got a letter from my real life bank This is kind of preposterous and extremely funny that they this closely mimic real life banks. But. It's also one of the few as of cheating the game that Nintendo can actually curb Zach thanks I suppose they could have been worried that people would like skip Ford month after month after month and be like several years in the future and game that interest rate to like make a ton of money but it seems like a lot of work when you could just sell fruit and make. The same amount which brings us to the sort of things to can't really curb for place like Zach who have one big on the stock market and can more or less build whatever kind of islands they want, what is left for them to conquer? What can they consume with all that spending power turns out? It's villagers and one guy in particular everybody loves him. There's one villager who has two different color is is. A new cat named Raymond and people I ask for insane amounts of in game resources to have that particular cat again, there are over three hundred villagers but this cat for some reason everyone loses their mind for this is actually a huge thing according to a polygon article by Patricia Hernandez. The next frontier for hardcore animal crossing players isn't just building the ideal village, but in populating them with the ideal villagers okay confession. I was playing animal crossing at four o'clock this morning because Raymond was in my campsite and I what reflief considered that it would be good for my Internet brand if I managed to convince him to move into my island so that I could start above online and maybe even traffic him to somebody else is it trafficking or does it just feel like that? I? Mean it definitely felt dirty of knocking alive. So yeah. This whole thing is not rare. It's not uncommon for people to do Jordan has done here or consider doing, right So he ended up leaving, he's not around anymore. Yeah. No, he is not my island. Okay. Listeners do not pass to me. Raymond does not live here according to Hernandez Polygon article, their entire sites that kate, it's a cataloging who has desirable villagers. They're called dreams. Raymond as I said, is the most end demand with ass in the millions of bells. I've seen people comparing him to like K. pop stars. He's got that kind of a floppy friend and I've got to admit this is kind of wire is tempted I don't actually like him his personality puts me off but I thought I could turn them around you know. I was mainly for the social media cachet of to say, I just wanted to be big on twitter for a day. Yeah. You had a hot commodity and been the bell of the ball, an animal crossing. A And this is what's fascinating to me. You could have earned more than just clout or bells. If you wanted to using one of these third party sites, you could have earned cold hard cash for tipping people off that Raymond was on your island people want their favorite villagers that badly tem. So I lost sleep and money. Potentially right. If you're ethically okay with selling Raymond off and according to Peckham. This is a thing that can happen when you have a successful in a game economy that doesn't really let you spend real money games that have tried to maintain closed economies like you can't sell your virtual goods for real money within the game. It doesn't actually prevent people from doing that just moves at off site when he starts a covet something. Rare in the game economy that you can't buy with the game's currency, the market blossoms in the real world with real money, and so all these games actually have big grey markets or black markets off site where people sell accounts on Ebay or through other marketplaces. Digital goods do get treated for real money. Did you ever anyone in high school who maybe like paid someone to level up their character in world of warcraft? Not Personally Emma Moser like a full time job at school is hard Sarah. I can kind of believe. I mean it happens with MMA's now right like whole groups of people get hired to just let up people's characters folder them to like grind when I was in high school it was it was a much smaller scale operation. It's totally a whole black market thing now absolutely. Yeah, and the black market in animal crossing is a little more subtle. It doesn't have levels of progress like memos do so most the transactions happening in animal crossing while sometimes extreme are more limited and game resources and currency. There is no obvious way to spend real money until you start to do things like look. Chris. Pacific villagers one way to bring some villagers into your game. As you might know, Jordan is via something called Amoeba Amoeba. Like collectible toys produced by Nintendo that use near field communication I, think to connect with your switch and when you connect them with your switch, you can unlock in game goodies depending on the game you're playing an interesting thing to mention here is one of the reasons that Raymond is. So popular is because he is new to new horizons. So that isn't An AMOEBA for him so you can't buy him that way. Right and this is what Peckham was talking about. It can get really intense and there's all these opportunities for real money to enter the equation here these days Zach doesn't really do any of the stock market speculating anymore I thought that would be because he seeing the error of his ways he. Wants to go back to a sweet fantasy utopia because at a certain point, it's just greed. You know it's just capitalism running unchecked. The least fun I have had playing animal crossing was like the first week of doing the stock market and being really worried about getting money like looking at twitter and refreshing the word turnip is actually surprisingly not a good. Time it is not enjoyable but the real reason he quit isn't because it was ruining his fun short the character trading or trafficking still bumped him out and he didn't do it. But the thing that made him stop the obsessive twitter refreshing evaluating third-party sites and speculating as much less moralistic. He didn't learn a lesson as he said earlier, he just became A. Billionaire Joshua I just have so much money. Now it's just I don't need any more of it for literally any reason the stock market did ruin the game for some people who are overwhelmed by the obsession with accruing wealth. They went back to fishing and buck electing worried less about winning the market which sounds kind of like your experience. Yeah I definitely. Analytic Friends of mine as well. Once to achieve what we wanted to the stock market, we were so relieved to get out. Yeah, and Zach's experience raises an interesting question for me and a world where. So many of us don't have jobs our wealth and saddled with debt. Many of us don't have disposable income to invest in Wall Street and a crew real. Wealth I don't mess with the real world stock market in any way. First of all, I, would be playing with penny stuff. There'd be no point like if I was going to play the stock market, I would play the stock market like me would be all and I just not I think my wife and cats would not approve of that sort of. Fiscal recklessness. So for us not invested types, maybe animal crossing wasn't a capitalist nightmare. It was a capitalist daydream one that the turn stock market made more real but the stock market is just like another little touch that makes the world feel bigger and more real and like for people that don't own a house, it's like a real it's a simulation of. Ownership. And being able to decorate a yard and how and things that we all like. American dream type stuff but put into a game the made by. Japanese company. Say It's not as if people playing animal crossing because they love capitalism so much that they just want more of it in their free time. It's more like capitalism is so big and difficult in the real world, this miniature version of it where we can always win if we just what caught enough. If I can beautiful fantasy right video games, kind of reflect our culture and nature in ways that aren't always tangible and all of a sudden they are as we saw from very first episode about world of warcraft corrupted blood pandemic games are often little petri dishes of human behavior and. This case we see how you know money can quickly sort of like change the nature of like I'd Ilic Serene scenarios right once their stakes people start to behave unpredictably, Amin money isn't real either right it's basically simulated just like video games all yeah. It's all made up just like bells in animal crossing, and by the way thanks for being honest about your intense animal crossing experience. I know for me the virtual world of video games it's very easy to get in over your L. Yeah. I mean I did get up at four o'clock in the morning to try and convince Raymond. What about you listeners ever get carried away by something you need to accomplish the game. When have you gotten really into a virtual world in a way that affects your real world lease a five star review on Apple podcasts, and let us know and your comment like did you get into good shape from Ring v Adventure or accidentally trespassed much from playing pokemon go maybe you're obsessed with beat Sabe like I am and you're trying to get one hundred percent on expert on all of the songs or are you playing apex legends like I am a free game? Were you still spend money because you like oh? That's a cool outfit out FITZROY's worth spending money on. Joshua will you come back to my island tomorrow and we'll to my flowers again. Sure. I'll tell you in. All, right I will water your plants for some pethick. Nobel's required. Next week on wild wild tech did a computer program break music copyright laws forever. If you subscribe when your favorite podcast APP, you'll know the moment the story drops while tech is a studio seventy-one original podcast spoke media production. 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Brewing up some Cyberpunk 2077

Digital Coffee

22:36 min | 8 months ago

Brewing up some Cyberpunk 2077

"Love this podcast. Support this show through the cast supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now and welcome to new episode over digital coffee. And i'm your host brett deisler and if you could please subscribe to digital coffee on apple podcasts. Google podcasts spotify amazon music that would be great review it always helps with the rankings. But this week is only going to be about cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. That's right the aforementioned or hugely hyped game has finally come out regardless of rumors saying that it won't that it will never come out and that it's just the power of mess. I made a few hours of it. It's well you'll actually know and get to that but we'll be talking about twitch also facebook gaming black creator fund and why. That's just bad in general but let's get on with the two things are going to be talking about and going to be once again. Facebook launches black creator program and this is a social network will spend over ten million next two years to help. Black streamers help with funding mentor ship and training opportunities as well so basically gives you a whole slew of things that will only be two black people but they do realize that it's really hard to go streaming full-time that. Everybody gets go streaming fulltime and that it wants to help black owned businesses organizations or black creators because everything is about race with book corporatism as always just doesn't really make sense to me why we can't just do meritocracy where it's the best people get the best option of pay yada yada but we have to make sure that once people is over another so that people because white males are terrible and yada yada because oh i guess they said seventy eight percent over. Seventy percent of streamers are white. That happens but it's just really weird that this is all happening all of a sudden and that they say and they even confirmed that actually is pretty difficult to still full-time streaming for anybody is just you have to have well. You have to have the know how the will how and the tenacity to keep on going and find other ways of making money as well. It's just not a one time all thing it's difficult nothing is ever given to you unless you are at the right time right place right time of thing but they will be spending five million a year for this one. I did read somewhere that they're actually going to be giving a monthly stipend to the people that they choose to do this as well with mentorship programs as well so to me. It's just to me. it's just pretty awful. Why not do for everybody. Female male whatever race you are is the best of the tiny streamers that we can help out as much as we can. That would be the best way of doing it but no let's put a label on it like everything because labels are always good facebook. I mean you've been terrible for awhile. I mean this is just another downhill spiral of a terrible company. That already is doing terrible things to now this but hey it's facebook it's a private company like i always know and there you go. That's what is all right moving on to twitch and it's actually going to be talking about how to ban types of harassment and racism like the confederate flag because the confederate flag is the epitome of racism. I mean all of these companies have terrible policies. They change them all the time and never a good idea. I get it. People have thin skin. But who cares you. Let those people wine they leave. They're going to be a very small minority of people who actually watch you because most people do not care what other people think but no we have to make sure that adults act like children are safe from things because reasons of adults acting like children. And that's most of the gaming community for the most part i will grant you that have been in some lobbies of call duty and they've said some things where i'm like really guys but i just don't care. I just meet them. Because that's what i do i go. I don't really care to listen to this mute. And i don't even try to report them are banned them. Because i just don't care they're saying dumb stuff let them say half just really weird so twitches actually banning lewd explicit comments on anybody's sexuality or physical parents because thoughts are thing and we can't have those people having terrible crises of people object to find their bodies when they show off their bodies. See the objectification only happens when you actually do the thing that you say you hate. You're going to be doing so the whole point of this is moot. Because it's the person's willingness to show off and be very revealing of their body that they objectified there is to objectification without an action. I you can't just be objectified just because some guys do it. Because well some guys i objective rectify everything but for the most part yes unless you show off something or give some type of communication wise which is non which a lot of these harassment online thing. Don't really take account nonverbal communication which is about eighty percent of our communication anyways. It's one of those things where it's like. I don't why. Why would we care why. Why is one of those things. But part of the safety advisory council the trust and safety council's is twitter's the same thing. Basically just a stupid name for something. Stupid should never happen. And we're all adults and let's act like adults and let's have nanny or mommy or digital mama your daddy which is usually the social media sites telling us we can and cannot do. We're adults so art c. Put more rules on the kids but the wise we're adults let us act like adults. Stop it. I wanna see what i wanna see. I don't need you to tell me what i cannot see or say or whatever i know. It's a whole bunch of the private company but yeah but unfortunately the weird part is that almost every other communication type company has been heavily regulated by the government except for the internet and that means these types of companies so phone was heavily regulated internet. A least from the physical wires and everything has been regulated except for this type of communication which i do think now's needs to be regulated to certain extent where levels the playing field for everybody and says look you cannot make our change or rapidly. Change your terms and service because you don't like whatever is saying are you don't like one group that's being more popular than the other group because it's actually doing something that you're algorithms like and people like to and so. You are not going to be doing this. That's my thing about this but it's just a whole bunch of empty words so a whole bunch of just really. Just tighten the screws people. So we're told what we can and cannot say. I am not in favor of this at all. I never been in favour of this. I think this is actually bad way of doing it. This is online in twenty twenty and beyond until more companies are made in the actually challenges other companies and they do a better job of saying. Hey look at say what you want. If people don't like you they'll stop watching you. That's how you get people to change their behavior. It's not these weird rules that won't change their behavior. They'll just resent you more. So let the users let the followers tell the streamer what they can and cannot do and then they will follow suit companies. Doing this does not really help. It just makes it more edgy an. Or can't do this woman anyways. Because i'm really want to be edgy. That's what it all is all about now. Moving on to cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. Yes the thing that finally came out after four delays if finally finally came out and as my last week said we probably won't come out. Well it actually come out. So he's wrong about that one. But i understand his point of view saying that a lot of people said well. It's gonna come out. I was never really on board of what he said. I always thought would come out because it spent a whole bunch of money. A whole bunch of time. Think they're not gonna come out with his game so they did so. Here are some of the stats. So far. So twitch reports that peak viewership of syrup twenty seventy seven on launch day was one point one million concurrent viewers so that was a lot of people watching pule place. Ira punked twenty seventy seven on launch day. Which was yesterday for o'clock pacific time which is officially out right now. Anytime also february twenty seventy seven ranked up eight million preorders and seventy four percent were digital. That's quite a big game and pc canada for fifty nine percent of all preorders. That's major. that's a lot so we have a lot a lot of digital copies being flown through gamers to play this game because it's been talked about for four. Maybe five years been talked for quite a while. Everybody's been wanting to play this now. Suburb twenty seventy seven. Beat out shadow falls which was three point seven million on one sales but you have to factor in that the only beat that out because of the preorders because everybody priore directly like day one preorder. It's good it's going to be good and that's what's going to happen but it's fine to see just how much people wanted to play this game and i was really excited to don't get me wrong. I'm not really hate anybody for this. This is a fun game. one episode. It's going to be a bonus one actually gonna be reading an emotional music of a dear diary polygon article. That's pretty funny because of the way they wrote it. It's like well. are we a teenager again. But moving on it says basically. It's well it broke records for single player record of number of concurrent steam units within two hours of launch. So i guess before pacific time it came out four pm now for about seven pm eastern time. But you get it so. That's a lot a lot of people watching at the same time. Huge huge numbers. It's over a million people playing it at the same time over a million which goes with twitch saying one point one million people were applying it as well so this game has done massively well for itself. At least in the first initial part we'll see actual sale number is at the end but remember a cd pr or project read. Also made the witcher three and they're going off of that type of momentum that they actually did this really well but yeah. This is a single player game. Remind you now. Other multiplayer games are a little bit higher but this is a single player game. This has no multiplayer yet. I may come out eventually but has no multi-player yet. It's only single player. So a single player has gotten massively successful. Which is a good thing because we want more single player games. I love multi-player games. Don't get me wrong. But i really really really would like more single player games as well because it's fun to play on world without people about annoying you sometimes because all my people can be knowing. Let's just something now. Gog did warn about some people buying cyberpunk twenty seventy seven from key resellers. Don't do it if you did. You lost money on on that one now. There is some a little hiccups on this first of all now cyberpunk twenty seventy seven does have a a option allows you to mute the music that kmby. Dmca if you stream. It now didn't actually worked fully. There are some actually got through. So they're saying just muted so if you're trying to stream it just muted in general. It's unfortunate. I don't like this. Dmca music companies are just frequently abusing it but music industry is always abused this because they actually think fat. The future will be stopped by them. So if you're streaming it and you got hit just mute. The game music. That's the only way you're going to have a fix for this. Unfortunately it's unfortunately if the unit but that's where we're at right now now there's that also separate twenty seven is available on gio i now so you can play it on your force now without having a physical copy of it through the cloud which is actually another thing to actually do which i would love to try it out but can try it out yet because i just don't only spend money on that one but if you do have that if you do have i think if you buy an nvidia card you get a years worth of geo force now so that's another incentive for you to actually find one if you can if you can't i understand because it's so difficult to find any gpo or cpu this year. I've decided i'm going to be building my computer next year because well you can't find it. They're always sold out. But that's the thing now game reviewers there have been talks about some game. Reviewers from gamespot. Nigerian may have actually not played the game and it gave a review and other views for critics have mostly been pretty good so far. It's has been a terrible game so without users since they won't allow users to review his game until seventy two hours later it's gotten about a ninety score of ninety out of one hundred on metacritic which is not bad so most reviewers have actually liked it. It's an interesting game. I've actually only running to one bugs of it was kind of funny. It wasn't actually that bad of a bog is one of the main characters was as walking into a sink in a fridge and just things were bouncing around. It was pretty funny. Actually but beyond that. It's i haven't seen too many bugs so far but that's because it's been so far i will wait until actually get more into the game but so far so good. It's very interesting games very different from what you're three in most regards. There are some things that carried over from it which is fine but for the most part. It's very different from it. I mean there's very few things that they actually use from three to sarah. Punk twenty seventy seven. One of them was the fast travel with a signpost. It's kind of back in a different way but a similar way as well also calling your cars and same way as calling her horse. So that's really about it beyond that it's all different very different like you said it's very few things of the brought over from that so it should be fun to be interesting. The characters selections very interesting as well. Because you can actually pick your genitalia. If you want to doesn't matter figure regard girl you can do whatever you want to which also leads to game reviewers. Let me say the game. Journalism is just awful right now. It's bad it's one of the worst things i've ever seen like some of these people just need to get a grip on life or get out or talk to people that aren't them were their friends or whatever but it's just funny to read some of the stuff because it's like whoa guys like comma down. It's okay life goes on. You're just games her. Not that big of a deal. They're fun but it's not life devoid of life. I know kobe twenty and everything where basically all we have is games right now. 'cause we can't go anywhere in california can't go anywhere but my main thing is that the game is not that bad so far like it's very interesting it's got some interesting takes on things so far. I haven't really met the meat of the morality of whatever overarching story is. I haven't met keanu reeves character yet. So like i said very beginning of it so far. I've only ran to one bugs. Afar haven't really run into too many bugs. John that most bugs might actually be on console more than actually pc so it looks like they spent more time on their pc bills and their causal bill. But we'll see. We'll see if i actually run into more bugs which would be. I hope there is fine as the one that i ran into the only one. I ran into so far because that was pretty frigging hilarious. Just the guy walking in to the wall with sank it. just things exploded and stuff cycle. How did that happen. It fixed itself other those pretty funny but beyond that so far. It's fun game. I mean. I can't really say specifically but so farming join my time with it. It's seems like a very big open world. Seems like a lot of things do probably even more things to do than the which are three had which was a very big game too so we could be seeing way bigger probably would say three times more things to do in this one then. The witcher three which was a lot of things to do. I mean i think. I played through that thing which are three three times. It was a fun game. One of my best games are one of the games that i liked the most. So don't hate on me. Because i actually wanted to play three times but i'm trying to say is that this will be a very successful game for the project project read. I'm glad a very successful game for them. They do seem to make really great games. Regardless of what the gaining media actually says this will probably be a really good game for the most part probably more on peasy then consoles. Because i keep on reading somewhere that consuls just are not very well. It's very buggy on consoles but pc wise. It's very good. very good. Visuals runs pretty well on my computer. My computer is not new. I have a reisen. Eighteen hundred x so the first generation rising and detainee. Gpu from nvidia. So it's not. The two thousand series is not the three thousand series. The one thousand series. It's why one thousand series but still the one thousand series. I'm two generations now behind so it runs great on my system. I don't see what people are having a problem with. But that's just me. So unless i can actually have it happen on my pc. I will probably won't be running into law those bugs. We'll see when i started to get more into the game but for right now it runs great one bug. That was more hilarious. Like i said before than others. But iran's great. I think a lot of the criticism for cyberpunk twenty seventy seventies overblown like with trout center. I wish people would stop talking about no. I won't talk more about single player games. Because they're awesome. Multiplayer games are fun too but single park games are just as great but pc's or video games to be. We had two player games with mostly single player games. Those are great. But i'm expecting to like this game quite a bit. That's my prediction but not my actual final verdict. I also think a lot of people might not be joining us game because a lot of the bugs they actually might be running into. But so far all i can say is around. Two one bug has been that bad but you think were you excited for twenty seventy seven. Let me know in the comments below. N just me voicemail my new website. Yes you can just drop it. Talk about whatever you want. I actually might play it on the podcast as well. Just go to digital coffee dot tv and it'll be there check out the merck shop to if you want to buy some digital coffee swag as well thank you for listening to jakovic. Always appreciate it and please schedule. Coffee apple podcasts. Google podcasts spotify. Amazon music and labor review always helps me next week as i go through what is important. In the gaming industry dies they save have fun and place. I republic two hundred seventy seven. Enjoy those single player games. All right guys see you next week leader.

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How Does Animal Crossing's Black Market Reflect the Real World Economy?

Wild Wild Tech

33:29 min | 1 year ago

How Does Animal Crossing's Black Market Reflect the Real World Economy?

"All right confession time Jordan. I don't know the first thing about Investments. Oh, I mean do you ever purchase stocks? Not once yeah. Neither did I I collect dividends. I couldn't tell you buy low sell high that ring any bells. I mean, I've heard it in an advert words. All right. How about turnips? Yes. Yes. This one I do know Jose is that is that what the deficit is about? That's what this episode is about. Yeah. Today, we're talking about turnip Mania and Animal Crossing Animal Crossing is maybe the biggest success story in games right now. It's a game for the song Popular Nintendo switch and it arrived in late March 2020 just as the world was entering lockdown. Yeah. I've actually been playing it since the day it came out and a lot of my friends have as well. It's basically where we hang out because we can't see change your life actually interviewed a bunch of them in the game for a podcast. Oh, what a good idea for those who may not know it's very sweet game where you go off to a deserted island and very slowly turned it into a vibrant sound full of animal friends. But funny story Jordan you and your friends and your villagers aren't the only guests on your Island. Someone else shows up wait who capitalism my friend capitalism comes off and it brings with it Mania over turnips a market crash bounces for protection adorable animal trafficking all the horrors of the free market So today, we're going to hear from someone who got caught up in the craze first-hand Josh. I just have so much money now. It's just I don't need any more of it for literally. Any reason it gets wild. So wild at the virtual economy of Animal Crossing even began to spill over into the real economy affecting players both inside and outside the game. So how did the relaxing world of Animal Crossing acute soothing game blur? The lines between game world and the real world and become a nightmare when we get back how Animal Crossing turned Wolf of Wall Street Support for this podcast comes from Goldman Sachs through lunch with GS a five hundred million dollar investment strategy grounded in the belief that teams with diverse leadership Drive stronger returns Goldman Sachs remains committed to facilitating connections and increasing access to capital for women black latinx and other diverse entrepreneurs learn more at gs.com launch with cs hi. I'm Jamie Wang and I'm Josh Lee Kwai and we are the hosts of the command Zone a magic the Gathering podcast. It's your weekly source for everything concerning the game's most popular format Commander whether you want to describe the perfect old card that you've never seen before or find out about the hottest Tech from the latest set. We've got your back plus we help you develop the most important skills for multiplayer magic. We're talking strategy and tactics proper sequence scene threat assessment politics. You Name It We dive deep on it. So why don't you hit pause and the podcast you're listening to right now and go subscribe to the command zone for free on Apple podcast Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite song. We promise you won't regret it. Well, you won't but your opponents might yeah good point. Hello and welcome back to Wild Wild Tech. I'm Josh Rivera and I'm Jordan Erica weather and we are back again to bring you some of the wildest stories from where culture and Technology Collide wage. Like video games that get a little out of hand extremely out of hand, but it doesn't start that way. It never does. So explain Animal Crossing two people who may not be familiar. I thought it would be fun to play together ready to jump in. Yeah, absolutely. So do you want to come to my island or should I go to yours? Can you come to my Island because my flowers need watering. Is that okay. Yeah. Sure. I'll go ahead and use the dodo code you gave me earlier to fly to your Island. So in Animal Crossing your character is a cute little round cartoon human, right and may have your own Island. Now, I've landed and there's Jordan she's wearing cute little dress glasses looks a lot like how she looks now. Yeah. Everyone says, Is that and the dresses are very important to me? My wardrobe is the most important thing in the game. So yeah, in addition to like flowers and outfits and Animal Crossing everyone has a house that you can contractually decorate and improve you can also catch fish pick fruit collect bugs or fossils and trade with other players. And of course a big part of the game is doing chores, but with your friend's home. So Jordan speaking of chores with friends, where are the flowers you need water. So you should be able to see the clearly marked out garden with a sign that I made myself with a picture of a watering can on it. So if she has water everything that is in soil, please wow, Jordans flowers are all organized along a color spectrum, which is very very lovely and there's like little benches there. You can sit and higher wage very well done. Nice Botanical Garden experience Jordan. Thank you, Joshua. Yeah, that's what animal crossing is all about relaxation cuteness friendship. So now you know the basics of Animal Crossing and why people are drawn to it. Another reason Animal Crossing is so successful is that it arrived in a perfect storm of circumstance. There is a Nintendo switch which is a widely popular video game console that's appealing to people who maybe weren't drawing an Xbox or Playstation. There's the fact that Animal Crossing New Horizons the latest in the series arrive seven years after the previous Animal Crossing new Leaf. Yeah, and I've been waiting every single year but there's always been a hardcore, you know Animal Crossing fan base, like people love these games and then there's also the fact that this game is on a connected console in a time where it's incredibly easy to share what you're up to date on social media. Yes, and it's also super approachable. It's not difficult to play. It doesn't try to test you and it's all about expressing yourself as well. It's about Cong Activity and kind of showing off what you can do kind of like the Sims of all those the biggest reason Animal Crossing became a phenomenon was the unforeseen timing of the game Animal Crossing arrived just as people around the world entering a self quarantine and response to the coronavirus pandemic giving everyone a new shared social space at the same time. We lost most of them. Yeah. I mean it was basically how I was talking to my friends during lockdown when she can't see them in person. Yeah, it's also helpful and compelling because Animal Crossing gives you concrete things to do. You don't just dream up whatever you want to put on your Island. You have to work for it your job, maybe unfair low, but here's arable meaningful work. You need money bells in Animal Crossing Universe to help build out the island of your dreams. You have a mortgage to pay off, but don't worry. There is no interest or deadline cool clothes and D quarter by birth and all sorts of things. You can get to just improve the appearance of your island. Of course to get the money you have to do kind of chores like you have to do fishing catch bugs things like that collect fossils. Like I've been doing yeah, I'm big on collecting fossils cuz I want to get a museum full of them. It's great. Once your museum is full you can sell the spares for lots of bells. I want to be Filthy Rich and bells cheese and it sounds strange if you've never played the game, right but there's like this this soothing very accomplished feeling that comes from clearing tasks and working towards, you know, a bigger house or or Koi pond, but you've always wanted but also like in the real world working isn't the fastest way to make money and that is where the turnips come in and animal crossing the selling of Turner. It's called the stock market get it because turnips have stalks s t a l k and that sounds like stocks stock in case anyone needed an explanation. The stock market is a speculative market. So once a week on Sunday mornings you buy turn it from a traveling turnip Merchants choice. You can buy as many as you like and the price is always between 90 and 110 Bells. I think and then every day of the week following that you can sell those turnips at the store on your island or in someone else's life and at a price that changes twice a day and then the goal is to turn a profit before the following Sunday because if you don't sell them then at that point they rot and they become worthless off. And the interesting about this like Jordan said is that everyone store has a different price. So even if your Island store is buying turnips for pennies on the Bell while there's a good chance, you can make a fortune selling someone else's Island. You've just got to find out which so, can you see where this is going Joshua? I have been there done that got the T-shirt. Yeah, but I wanted to talk to someone that got in deep someone who won big hi. I'm Zachary. No, I live in Los Angeles. I'm an actor and a writer and a host of a podcast called off book The improvised musical or we improvised a musical and that's the thing that came to my attention because the stock market cause them to do something unusual on his Animal Crossing Island, but we'll get to that first. I wanted to know what Drew him into the game and it wasn't the high-stakes speculative Market wage its core I'd say life simulator and it was just like a very low stress game where you sort of walk around and decorate your house and talked to your animal friends. All of which things are very and how I've always been inside of my brand. The other thing I like about it is that it is a sort of game that is meant to be played over a long period of time cuz it's on a real time clock. So the game doesn't pause and wait for you when you go to sleep. It's the opposite of fast paced which is kind of intriguing, you know, something adorable is always happening Round the Clock. So you login at 3:00 p.m. It's 3:00. There you lower clock at 3:00 a.m. The middle of the night and there's different stuff going on and the seasons change, right? So this game will be different a month from now than it is now, which is cool. Yeah and despite Zacks chill intentions, He quickly threw himself into the stock market. Once it opened. I jumped in right away. And the first two weeks. I was really aggressive about it. Like I bought literally like I took literally all the money I had put it in the stock market crash in on Twitter and like typed in turnips and then refreshed over and over again found a found like a good Island price that I could do it that was too crazy and I didn't enjoy that at all. This is the wild part time. Immediately there was an ad hoc network of people sharing turn the prices charting with the patterns were like coming up with tools for guessing one and we're good prices would show up all basically overnight. Yeah. I'm at home in a Discord with a bunch of my friends and other people who are playing the game and they're all tracking their turn at prices on this kind of spread sheet that predicts what your prices will be throughout the week and then there's my sister who doesn't bother with all that. She just goes straight for this site where you can just go to a stranger's Island who has the highest price and sell your turnips there and that kind of makes things kind of cutthroat, you know, like people could be dishonest about their tenth of prices and chased like social media clout or you could have people come and steal your turnips. Right which is why in some cases you had bouncers or like fences which is one thing exact as he got more and more wrapped up in the stock market started to think about and getting into my controversial turnip room Joshua which people said was they turned up jail simply because I had jail bars on the front of it off. Two people out of my turnip room. Now I maintain that bars are used on all sorts of things that are not jails for example volts have bars. This was my turn up volt where the turnips home safe from people not it turned of jail. It might have been to turn of jail, but it was a turnip Vault cuz they filled that they filled the Vault not jail and I had to put them in the kitchen and also the bedroom because if I gave them outside my house anyone can pick them up unless I fence the men on my turn a branch, which I also did a little bit but I know people that just leave those on the beach but you can't have visitors over because that's like leaving your dollar bills around just so we're clear Jordan. Zach habits aren't volt not turned up jail. Mhm. Yeah really needed to emphasize that so Zack with his turn bulb and a steady supply of clout chasing social media accounts eventually worked out a way to make Bank on his supply of turnips. Do you think he likes the game better or worse now after office, I think it might have spoiled it for him. About you know, like a rotten turnip. Listen to how he describes things now Josh. I just have so much money now. It's just I don't need any more of it for literally any reason, there's like weird scarcity of other things in the game. There's only so much you can actually physically by like my house isn't getting any bigger. I could buy another house, but I have to start a new character to do that and like I'm not going to really do a job that he wanted Jordan. He won capitalism congratulations that but can you really win capitalism right? The Grass Is Always Greener and that's when things start to take a dark turn in the world of Animal Crossing stick around and we'll tell you a little bit about what makes people go bananas for the stock market and the dark things that happen when I woke up trading just isn't enough anymore. 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I'd like you all of my Animal Crossing playing friends succumb to some form of turnip fever and if I wasn't otherwise occupied and if I'm honest extremely faithful I would have also tried my luck at playing the market in order to make a nice stack of bells for myself which feels kind of crash right or at least against the things we say that becomes Animal Crossing for yeah, I guess it's kind of a way to fast-track your way through the game and that is not the point of animal crossing right? So I wanted to talk to someone who spent a lot of time thinking about how games have this weird tendency to song. Emulate the realities of our economy in a way. Why can't we stop killing our chili Island Vybz with greed? My name's Eric Beckham. I'm the media columnist at TechCrunch where I write about gaming entertainment and the future of Both Worlds. So Animal Crossing isn't the only game with currency to spend within the game on stuff you need or want and according to Eric. That's not just life. That's good game design part of successful game design is creating some form of virtual economy within the game, which is basically, you know, they're being items or currency that can be traded between players and some degree of scarcity where you know, you can't just have an infinite amount that everything and so it forces you to trade with others to go through all sorts of obstacles or challenges and the game it kind of guides you through fun experiences so far so good. Eric's read a virtual economy is is extremely in line with Animal Crossing's very low stakes motivation for accruing bills. But what about the stock market? It's kind of a game within the game, right? It attracts more people to play a game. It gives you more reason to keep coming back every week to participate. This is a great kind of psychological way to keep people engaged throughout the week and making sure they're continuing to stay part of this world. So from a game design standpoint, it makes a lot of sense and here's a bit of insight that I've never really thought about before Jordan, you know, how part of the appeal of getting new stuff in Animal Crossing is purely for cosmetic things. Yes. My wardrobe is the most important thing in my game. So Peckham, this isn't all that different than say curating the photos on your Instagram feed if it seems like people care about Animal Crossing more in this moment. It might be because of our virtual worlds are starting to blur with the real one. You actually have the majority of the generation who spend meaningful time in Virtual Worlds that have virtual economy is and where they can participate in trade different good job, just like I might pop on, you know, Instagram or Snapchat and chat with people. This is just online sort of extension of real-world interaction and activity games. In other words aren't just things wage. Do their places you go there parts of yourself, you visit and maintain the big wake up here for a lot of people will be that video games aren't just games anymore. They are are truly an increasingly extensions of our real world lives are real world economies, right? Yeah. They're 2.5 billion gamers in the world. Now most people to some extent play video games and games are increasingly kind of being designed as social hang out spots and ways to meet people spend time with people just like, you know has happened with social media apps that we think of as fairly normal video games are basically the next wage in this kind of social media online socialising space to me. This means that your Animal Crossing island is just as much an expression of your identity as your Instagram profile. And so, of course you want to sneak up on the fortune. You need to make something reflective of you the obsessive stock market Behavior makes perfect sense when you think of it that way and just as virtual economies make sense for Virtual Worlds Peckham argues that any wage Problems that stem from them are also part and parcel with their inclusion. There are so many unintended consequences that come from video games becoming a kind of economies in their own right? I mean, there've been major issues around gambling especially underage gambling money laundering. I mean, you're you're inviting all the sorts of problems that come with creating a market that's generally not having a super vised we're talking of course about cheaters. But how do you even cheat in the game like Animal Crossing or even do anything approaching and savory? Well, I'm no teeth or Joshua so I couldn't possibly, so one popular way of gaining the system is by something called time Travelin which Zach describes for us in the context of the stock market the one way to quote unquote sheet Animal Crossing game called time travel. The game is set to link to the real time clock of whatever time you're switch is at right which is connected to the internet. So what people do is they change the time that they're switches at and they move forward in time and animal quiz I think yeah, I actually have friends who time travel but it's just like a step too far for me. But here's another thing in Animal Crossing. You can keep your balls in a bank account and that account like a real life savings account accrues interest and curiously like the Federal Reserve Bank Nintendo lower this interest rate. The very first month Nintendo was like, oops are fake Interest Bank rate is 2 long. Hi, we need to turn it down which is just wild if you think about it, it's so it's so low and they were like, it's too high. I actually got the letter from the bank of Nook about the interest rates going down very same day that I got a letter from my real life Bank. This is kind of preposterous and extremely funny that they this closely mimic real-life Pink's but it's also one of the few ways of changing the game that Nintendo can actually curb Zach things. I suppose they could have been worried that people would like skip forward month after month after month and be like several years in the future and game that wage. Straight to like make a ton of money, but it seems like a lot of work when you could just sell fruit and make about this the same amount which brings us to the sort of things Nintendo can't really curb rash players like Zach who have one big on the stock market and can more or less build whatever kind of violent they want what is left for them to conquer? What can they consumed with all that spending power turns out it's Challengers and one guy in particular. Everybody loves him one villager who is two different color eyes is the new cat named Raymond and people like asked for a insane amount of money in game resources to have that particular cat again, there are over three hundred villagers, but this cat for some reason everyone loses their mind for this is actually a huge thing according to a polygon our office by Patricia Hernandez, the next Frontier for hard-core animal crossing players isn't just building the ideal Village, but in populating them with the ideal villagers, okay confession. I was playing a game. Crossing at 4:00 this morning because Raymond was in my campsite and I was briefly considered that it would be good for my Internet Brand if I managed to convince him to move into my cock Island so that I could show him off Old Line and maybe even traffic him to somebody else. So is it trafficking or does it just feel like that? I mean it definitely felt dirty. I'm not going to lie down. So yeah, this whole thing is not rare. It's not uncommon for people to do what Jordan has done here or consider doing right? So he ended up leaving. He's not around anymore. Yeah. No, he is not on my Island. Okay listeners do not pester me Raymond does not live here according to Hernandez polygon article their entire sites dedicated to get a logging who has desirable villagers. They're called dream. He's Raymond as accent is the most in-demand with asked in the millions of bells. I've seen people comparing him to like Cape Cod. Stars he's got that kind of floppy Fringe and I've got to admit this is kind of why I was tempted. I don't actually like him his personality puts me off but I thought I could turn him around, you know wage. I was mainly for the social media cashay. I've got to say I just wanted to be big on Twitter for a day. Yeah, you had a hot commodity and would have been the belle of the ball an animal crossing and this is what's fascinating to me. You could have earned more than just clout or more Bells. If you wanted to using one of these third-party sites, you could have earned cold cash for tipping people off that Raymond was on your island people want their favorite villagers that badly so I lost sleep and money. Yeah, potentially right. You're ethically okay with selling Raymond off and according to Peckham. This is a thing that can happen when you have a successful in-game economy. That doesn't really let you spend real money games that have tried to maintain Closed economies like you can't sell your virtual goods for real money within the game. It doesn't actually prevent people from doing that. It just moves it off site. When you start to covet something rare in the game economy that you can't buy with the game's currency the market blossoms in the real world with real money. And so all these games actually have big gray markets are black markets off site where people sell accounts on eBay or through other marketplaces digital. I do get traded for real money. Did you ever know anyone in high school who maybe like paid someone to level up their character in World of Warcraft? Not personally, but I mean MMO's are like full-time job and school is hard so I can kind of believe it. I mean it happens with MOS now, right like whole groups of people get hired to just level up people's characters for them to like grinding when I was in high school. It was much it was a much smaller scale operation, but it's totally a whole Black Market thing now, absolutely. Yeah and the black market and Animal Crossing is a little more subtle. It doesn't have levels or progress like MMOs do so most of the transactions happening in Animal Crossing. Well, sometimes extreme are more limited and game resources and currency. There is no obvious way to spend real money wage until you start to do things like look for specific villagers one way to bring some villagers into your game as you might know. Jordan is via something called amiibo amiibo like collect toys produced by Nintendo that you use near-field communication. I think to connect with your switch and when you connect them with your switch, you can unlock in-game goodies, depending on the game. You're playing an interesting thing to make sure there is one of the reasons that Raymond is so popular is because he is new to New Horizons. So that isn't an amiibo for him. So you can't buy him that way right and this is what pack and was talking about she can get really intense and there's all these opportunities for real money to enter the equation here these days Zack doesn't really do any of the stock market speculating anymore. I thought that would be because he's seen the error of his ways. He was dead. Back to a sweet fantasy Utopia cuz at a certain point it's just greed. You know, it's just capitalism running unchecked. The least fun. I have had playing Animal Crossing was like the first week of doing the stock market and being real worried about getting money like looking at Twitter and refreshing the word turnip is actually surprisingly not a good time. It is not enjoyable. But the real reason he quit isn't because it was ruining his fun sure the character of aiding or trafficking still bumped him out and he didn't do it. But the thing that made him stop the obsessive Twitter refreshing evaluating third party sites and speculating as much less moralistic. He didn't learn a lesson. He said earlier, he just became a billionaire Joshua. I just have so much money now, it's just I don't need any more of it for literally. Any reason the stock market did ruin the game for some people who were overwhelmed by the obsession with accruing wealth. They went back to fishing and buck collecting and worried less about winning the market which sounds kind of like your experience. Yeah. I definitely am Friends of mine as well. Once we'd achieved what we wanted to do with the stock market. We were so relieved to get out. Yeah exact experience raises an interesting question for me in a world where so many of us don't have jobs or wealth and their satisfaction with that many of us don't have disposable income to invest in Wall Street and a crew real wealth. I don't mess with the real world stock market in any way. First of all, I don't I don't we would be playing with pennies. There'd be no point. Like if I was going to play the stock market, I would play the stock market like we would be all in and I just I'm not I think my wife and cats would not approve of that sort of fiscal wage is so for us not investor types. Maybe Animal Crossing wasn't a capitalist nightmare. It was a capitalist Daydream one that the turn of stock market made more real but the stock market is just like another little touch that makes the world feel bigger and more real and like for people that don't own a house. It's like a really it's a simulation of like ownership wage. And being able to decorate a yard and house and things that we all like, you know American Dream type stuff, but put into a game and made by Japanese company. We want to tell you about a show. We think you're going to love dead eyes a podcast from headgum Studios twenty years ago. Connor Ratliff was fired from a small speaking role on an episode of the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers the day before he was supposed to film her scenes. He received a call from his agent telling him. The director had seen his audition tape and thought he had dead eyes. That director was Tom Hanks back for season two dead eyes is an investigative series a completely true story was show exploring a deeply unimportant question that has haunted Connor for two decades. Why did Tom Hanks fire him Time Magazine calls it one of twenty twenties best podcasts vulture says it's fascinating and excellent or just listen to Seth Rogen who says it's a girl podcast. Join Connor as he connects the dots with guess like Rogan Jon Hamm Aimee Mann Bobby Moynihan and many many more all with dead eyes stories of their own wage. Dead eyes you'll get a look behind the curtain and see just how working actors get cast or don't and find their way into careers all while dealing with the universal sting of rejection. And who knows maybe this will all leads a Connor getting another chance to audition for Tom Hanks follow dead eyes on Spotify Apple Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. So it's not as if people playing Animal Crossing because they love capitalism so much that they just want more of it in their free time. It's more like capitalism is so big and difficult in the real world that this miniature version of what we can always win if we just work hard enough. It's like an beautiful fantasy Right video games kind of reflect our culture and nature in ways that aren't always tangible and took a sudden they are as we saw from our very first episode about World of Warcraft corrupted blood pandemic games are often little Petri dishes of like human behavior. In this case. We see how you know money can quote. Is sort of like change the nature of like even the most idyllic, you know, Serene scenarios right once their steaks people start to behave unpredictably. I mean money isn't real either right? It's basically a related just like video games are yeah, it's all made up just like bells in Animal Crossing. And by the way, thanks for being honest about your intense Animal Crossing experience. I know for me off the virtual world of video games. It's very easy to get in over your head. Oh, yeah. I mean I did get up at 4:00 in the morning to try and convince Raymond to make my Island. What about your listeners ever get carried away by something. You need to accomplish in a game. When have you gotten really into a virtual world in a way that affects your real-world leave us a 5-star review on Apple podcast and let us know when your comment like did you get into really good shape for bringing this adventure or accidentally trespass much from playing Pokemon go. Maybe you're obsessed with beat saber. Like I am and you're trying to get a hundred percent on expert on all of the songs or are you playing Apex Legends? Like I am dead. A free game where you still spend money because you're like, oh that's a cool outfit outfits are always worth spending money on ya Joshua. Will you come back to my Island tomorrow and water my flowers again? Sure. How long I'll pay you in free. All right, I will water your plants in exchange for some fruit. Perfect. No Bells required. Next time on a wild Wild Tech to the computer program break music copyright laws forever. If you subscribe on your favorite podcast app, you'll know the moment. The story drops Wild Wild Tech is a Studio 71 original podcast and a Spoke mean a reduction. It's hosted by myself Joshua Rivera and Jordan Erica Webber, you can find this at JM Rivera 0-2 on Twitter and that Jordan weber.com. Our producers are Cody Hoffman and Danielle casner help from what has Mendoza and Caroline Hamilton. This episode was mixed by Will short. Our executive producers are Steven pearlstein and Andrew Sealy for Studio 71 and Alia tavakolian and Keith Reynolds prestige. Media special thanks to Sacramento for talking to us about his totally Now to turn of jail. 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"Coming up on Amazon closed a small warehouse because a worker was infected. How should you treat those packages? You ordered online. Intel has a chip. That can smell things for you. An auto makers volunteer to make ventilators. This is the daily tech news for Thursday march nineteenth. Twenty twenty in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio red. I'm Sarah Lane from lockdown of Justin Robert Young and from the SOCO. La Area and the show's producer. Roger Chan we were talking about podcast intech and how that's now just become all entertainments tech. We were also talking about the significance of what's going on right now on good day Internet. Get that wider conversation become a member. Patriot dot com slash. Dt AND S. Let's start here with a few tech things you should know a report by loop ventures at Gene Munster notes that increases and availability of the sixty four GIG iphone eleven sixty four GIG iphone eleven pro air pods pro and the second Jenn air pods imply. The company's supply partners in China are returning to regular production output levels. Monster believes that lower lead times mostly point to a restart in production in China regular production anyway and the softening demand accounts for some but minority of that Bob. The New York Stock Exchange announced that it will temporarily close its physical trading floors and move to an all electronic trading following to positive Kobe nineteen tests this week. All Electric Trading will begin on March. Twenty third plug in Uber. Ceo Derrick. Rose was shot. He said on an investor call that ride volume has dropped by up to sixty to seventy percent in cities. Hit hardest by coke. Nineteen like Seattle goes shy. He stressed that even in the worst case scenario of rides down eighty percent for the year. Uber would still have four billion dollars of unrestricted cash in the bank. And a two billion dollar credit line company is also considering using its network to deliver needed items like medicine and basic goods. Microsoft announced that Microsoft teams had forty four million daily active users as of March Eighteenth at twelve million user increase in the last week alone. Twenty customers have over one hundred thousand employees each using teams. That's up from fourteen last week. And in November two thousand Nineteen Microsoft announced teams had twenty million daily active user. So quite a jump and not surprising the US Federal Communications Commission announced that it temporarily waived quote unquote gift rules for its rural healthcare in Iraq programs until September twentieth. Two Thousand Twenty. These rules ordinarily forbid rural healthcare facilities libraries and schools who are part of the program and receiving subsidies from accepting anything of value from ISP's participating in the program the change could let ISP's donate Wifi hotspots upgraded network equipment and offer free service for Telemedicine and Distance Learning September twentieth wedding anniversary. So I'll remember that they're losing that exemption then Amazon spokesperson confirmed a CNBC Amazon Prime Pantry which launched in two thousand fourteen is temporarily closed in the US. Due to high order volumes tied to of course people preparing to stay at home because of Cova nineteen prime pantries that let's prime members by packaged groceries and household items discount. 'cause you pack them all together in one shipment. No Word on win service for Prime Pantry will resume. Let's talk a little bit more about what Europe Santa Netflix Justin. Well Tom the European Union's internal market and Services Commissioner Atira Britain called on streaming video providers to switch to standard definition content during peak usage and take other measures to ease the strain on Internet infrastructure. Netflix says it will reduce bit rates across all streams in Europe for thirty days and estimates that will estimates that it will reduce NETFLIX TRAFFIC ON EUROPEAN NETWORKS. By around twenty five percent later retin warned that network provider were network providers that wild they can take quote exceptional traffic management measures and quote to ease congestion. They must not discriminate against individual content providers commission also called on users to use Wi fi over cellular whenever possible and choose lower content resolution when possible. Bits saving measures are going into effect. Watch- watching standard Def for our survival exact. Yeah because this is crazy. Broadband distancing pleased distance. You're bits appropriately. Don't pack them into tightly. Bits will be two meters apart as delivered to your Netflix streaming. At the same time it would be hard to argue. No no no. I am not going to standard def. It's just not that big of a crisis and honestly there is a lot of video delivering of that can literally grow or shrink the Internet based on on how you do it it. Networks is taking those steps then. I think everybody can deal with a few more pixels and a and an hats off to the people who are working to keep the Internet running It isn't as easy as it might seem to. It's kind of amazing that it's still working to me. No kidding we'll speaking of video streaming. A lot of folks are experimenting now. More than ever with chrome extension called Netflix Party. The let's a group of friends who all have netflixing cup video watching together so it's like a party you're all you know shelter place and has a chat room so you can chat while you're watching all users and a party. Have the option to pause rewind or fast forward unless the initiator reserves that function to themselves could get a little crazy depending on how many people are doing it. Polygon points out that there are other similar options like mets dream for chrome and Firefox. Six to seven which has paid tier to access some services like Hulu or Disney plus and watched two together which also supports audio streams. If you happen to want to listen to podcasts with your friends as with all browser extensions be careful. All extensions are not created equal. And it's hard to tell who's making some of these programs so be You know vigilance and install your own risk. Yeah I was trying to figure out. Who is behind Netflix party? They don't care about US page. There's not much detail about them. They have a three star rating on the chrome extension store so that that raise my hackles a little bit Is it just just be careful? Be Wise make This idea of watching things is always one where Mike do. People really want to do this. And this is Talia right. Like if it's ever GonNa work this. Is it actually have a group of friends who were all kind of scattered around? We're on the US but no one lives anywhere near me. So I'm not going to be in the same room watching Netflix with them at any point. Well we all have not fucks and this kind of got floated as a great idea and we all said. Yes. Let's do. It can't agree on a time as humans where we all want to do together. It requires us. Everyone's on appointment viewing now so it's like why can't do that at nine. Nine your time is midnight for me. Sarah. So it's It's still hurting cats a little bit but I love this idea. I've always wanted something like this to work well. And that's not even because I'm stuck at home just this like a fun thing to do with people who you just aren't going to see that. I say that this is something that I I am taking a fresh. Look at all of these things like. I have never when they announce facetime to have multiple parties. That you get a bunch of people in there initially. I'm like whatever I mean. I barely like it when anybody face times me let alone phase timing with many people and yet there. I was last night with two friends that I normally go out without Wednesdays. We now can't because of shelter at home and we were enjoying each other's company on multiple phase facetime. So I'm all about this. I do think however please please friends you cannot double check these plug INS enough to have a. They can that they are. They are back doors and not all the ones that Sarah mentioned are extensions. Some of them are independent services. But again you given your information to other people you can just try to get on chat and say three to one press play but it won't perfectly sink Yeah so that that's kind of what these services are providing the ability to do this. I wonder if Netflix will just R- they've they've had a service like this out of their hacker groups before the ramp up something like that that they offer themselves or some of those other products out there comeback. But yeah this is Go check out that polygon article has a wrap up of all the ones that Sarah mentioned and kind of evaluate them. Pick the ones right for you. Monday announced it had trained. It's lowy neurotrophic trip at chip to identify the sense of ten different hazardous chemicals a paper in the Journal. Nature Machine Intelligence describes work done with Cornell University on the Louis Heat ship with the output of seventy two chemical sensors teaching Louis. He that a particular response correspondent to the presence of a particular chemical. So it's not just a sensor that detects a molecule. It's actually trying to mimic the human brain's ability to detect smells so that it can distinguish chemicals even among interfering smells. If one smell is overpowering the other It might still be able to tell that. It's there Wednesday. Intel announced the General Readiness of POA wiki springs a self contained neuromorphic system running on seven hundred sixty eight Louis. He chips available to researchers in the CLOUD INTEL CISCO WHO IKI springs is similar in neural capacity to the brain of a small mammal. So the first thing I thought here was just safety like industrial safety. Have certain situations where you're dealing with chemicals where it might not be immediately clear to a human brain that they're that things are raising to unsafe levels that that this would be a way to do it. A kind of a digital canary in a coal mine. Right are there any obligations that you can think of the top of your head? Yeah that's a really good one any kind of safety situation where where you're looking for leaks or spills any kind of security situation There's there's a lot of ego through the TSA here in the United States or any any security at an airport and they'll do those swabs and things because they're checking for chemicals this smell the ambient air and say well. Hey hold on We think we detect the faint odor of something. That shouldn't be in. Somebody's luggage and then you can. You can start checking around to find out where comes from. That's that's sensitive of a situation. Then you have where where you have to you have to look for. The actual molecules themselves yameen carbon monoxide. Alarms you know at least at least in California. You know it's it's you have to do it. It's it's a legality But eating or even in situations like that where there's something that is unsafe at a certain level. But maybe you're burning a Campbell and you you just. You aren't able to discern between that kind of thing having the technology to be able to be like where we are detecting something For a variety of things. That shouldn't be shouldn't be sniffed or just been around is pretty cool Amazon. Enclosed a small warehouse in Queens New York following a positive cove in nineteen tests by an associate associates at the warehouse were sent home with pay. As Amazon sanitizers the facility Amazon's et. It has increased sanitizing surfaces at facilities and staggered shift times among measures to prevent further spread the US National Institute of Health Says. The virus can stay active on cardboard for up to twenty four hours and two to three days on plastic and steel but those are droplets not necessarily just droplets or the way they think transmission happens in most cases if people who get covert probably get it from droplet which is usually sneezed or coughed. More likely Something in the air. It's not airborne but it's droplets. That happened in the air. And so if it gets on a surface it could possibly transmit the virus. What they're saying is look. We find that the the viruses is still valid or an active for up to twenty four hours on cardboard but they also don't think that is the major way that it is transmitted. So if you if you've got someone who is at high risk you might want to take that into account and keep those cardboard boxes away from them until you're sure they they've been away for more than twenty four hours etc but it's not a high likelihood of getting something from the package that said Amazon needs to be more transparent about what they're doing to keep these facilities safe. I've gotten banks telling me more about how they're wiping down the counters at their at their branches than we know about what Amazon's actually doing in their warehouses some transparency would go a long way to having people understand how this all works and it's another indication if we had more testing you could just say. Look if you're in a position where you're going to be touching things you know the. Us Post Office Amazon. Let's just test everybody. The problem is we don't have enough test so we can't afford to just test. Everybody like that Hopefully there there are at least doing test for fever. Make sure that if anybody has a fever they're not allowed to come to work at these warehouses things like that but you don't. There's not a high risk of getting this from a package. We did want to pass along those facts about the activity of the virus. Just just so you have the facts as well wash your hands. There's there's the one Then now forever. Wash your hands if you've got an Amazon package and you handle it Washer and tossed the packaging as soon as you get. Yeah I mean. The Amazon has so many warehouses at so many different sizes. All over the place. And you've got you say well. Okay let's say you more or less trust Amazon to do the right thing. Okay well they figured out a certain facility needed a thorough a thorough cleaning and they're being really fast across the board. Okay even so I mean I don't know how someone who is driving in Amazon freight truck interacts with anybody at a warehouse. And how many people that might go through before it gets to me. I mean there's there's so much involved in less Amazon says here's exactly what's going on in here all the steps. We're taking from the point that you order something to the point that you you know plug in your new smart because it's been delivered to you. It is really hard. It's it's it's hard to know so yes as you mentioned just in you have to go overboard in in keeping yourself safe because that's all you can really do. Yeah I mean it's annoying. Everyone knows it's annoying. But just it's just wash your hands fifty times. It's fine I got some. I got some hands up. That smells really good. I am enjoying it in my hands. Not The worst thing in the world. I mean I did it before but I do it a lot. Conan O'Brien announced on Wednesday. He will return to full shows on. March thirtieth. He wrote on twitter. I will shoot at home using an iphone and my guests. Well skype. This will not be pretty but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe. Jimmy Fallon has been filming youtube videos that are incorporated into the evenings. Rerun of the tonight. Show Stephen Colbert has been filming a new monologue for the late show. Reruns and Jimmy. Kimmel has been sharing his own mini log. That's a Hashtag on social media. We talked a little bit about this during good day Internet But it is. It is quite fascinating to see the world of entertainment high production value. Entertainment turned to what we've been doing on shows like this for fifteen years and it's I'll be a part of me wants to be like I look at you guys doing what we've been doing part of me is is heartened like oh welcome to our. Yes this you can do this absolutely. I mean my first reaction was like doesn't have anything besides an iphone. You know what I found out. I was pretty nice. Shot do all the time. So it's like as long as it's funny. It almost doesn't matter as much when I watched the latest last week. Tonight with John Oliver He. He wasn't home but he was sort of in a kind of like an apple out. It was like a white back on behind him. But there's no studio audience. They didn't do canned laughter so there was no laughter at all and I was like. This is a weird way to watch the show but I appreciate the effort. I appreciate. Everyone's effort I mean they. They want to keep going and they want to keep their audiences. They want to keep people happy. So you gotta work with what you have get creative and look There are a radio shows that are now going fuller remote and some of them have is the end lines. Many many. Don't and many sound like all the podcast that you've listened to many of our voices on in in our earlier years Except now they are at the height of entertainment and media there. There has never never been more of a mainstream Showing of skype callers and of various different focusing and refocusing a Vermont Automatic Cameras. It is it is just a bizarre time to live in and I do think that part of the lessons here will be remembered for a long time. I I I think that that the idea of the gigantic studio or shows being predicated on a studio audience may may recede from from this point. You Know GonNa realize that. It is not needed for all of them. There's there's some interesting things one is like what you saying Sarah. Without a studio audience to laugh. You need a different kind of joke. You need a different rhythm so there may be the situation there like you know what if we want to do a traditional monologue? We gotTa have a studio. That's one thing we learned and we don't have a studio audience. We have to write differently. Your rhythm has to be different. I've noticed that Albert stuff. Some of his jokes were great of the way he delivers them others. You can tell. He's just out of habit pausing for applause at fault because you're like Abbiati chain know and that and a lot of that goes for sporting events right okay. We'll play to an empty stadium. Well the stadium also matters that all of that stuff. It's just we've always done it this way. This is the way that works. Oh well now we have to do it differently. Let's try to do it the same way. That didn't work either. Okay let's rethink this. I don't know maybe some good will come of the. I think what we'll see is more of these kinds of of diy segments. They've been creeping into the two hypertension value shows here and there. But I bet they'll be doing a lot more of these and they'll they'll realize like oh we've we've developed the skill. We figured out what's appropriate. We figured out how to make it happen like just it was joking before the show that you know they'll figure out that a USB Mike is not great and they still want an analog Mike with the USB extender like they'll figure all that out and we'll we'll see more of this like in these shows even when things go back to normal knock on wood. Yep Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot COM man. Yesterday I was talking about how Elon Musk should offer his tesla factory to to make things that hospitals and healthcare providers might need. I swear I hadn't seen any of the stories that happen immediately. After that when I said it ventilators particularly are needed for critically ill patients. And there's a real concern that the number of critically ill patients could soon exceed the number of ventilators on hand in the United Kingdom companies including the jet engine maker rolls-royce not the car maker Airbus and Jaguar. Land Rover have been asked if they can help address. The pending shortage Toyota has also offered to help there in the United States. General Motors CEO. Mary Barra told the White House. She's looking into making ventilators at her companies factories. Ford's talking to the US and UK government's about doing so and on twitter which is where Elon. Musk does most of his talking. A user asked Elon. Musk he could have. Tesla make ventilators and musk responded. Wednesday quote we will make ventilators if there is a shortage Thursday morning. New York City's mayor wrote. Our country is facing a drastic shortage. And we need ventilators et sap to Elon. Musk he wrote that. We will need thousands in the city over the next few weeks. We're getting them as fast as we can. But we could use your help. We're reaching out to you directly although reaching out to someone in an reply on twitter is not the definition of directly. But okay there are. Other efforts going onto razor. Ceo Minyong Tang Announced they will shift a number of the razor manufacturing lines and believe me. They're selling razor equipment right now because people game from home but they're still gonNA shift some of their manufacturing lines to make surgical masks. Those are also in short supply and essential for healthcare workers. Razor thinks that can make a million masks which it will give the healthcare providers for free with the first shipments going to Singapore where razors headquarters are located and the related story Nathan proctor. Who's the head of the right to repair campaign for the US? Public Interest Research Group called on ventilator makers to release all the repair documentation for their essential medical kit especially ventilators and I fixed. It has already begun to compile ventilator service manuals and make them available on their site so that there can be more onsite faster repair of ventilators. So you can keep using them longer. This is this is a very interesting situation. It is exactly where my head was at yesterday when we were talking about this. Justin what what should happen here. What's the role of technology and automaker companies and others in stepping in here and helping so real quick primer for everybody the major issue here if if you are unaware although this is pretty much all that anybody's thinking of Bud in the entrance The interest of clarity. The problem with what we're going to face is not necessarily even the the lethal of power of the virus but there is a choke point in terms of hospital beds and equipment. And so this on its face all these companies coming together saying look we have the engineers we have the. We have the the lines to make them. Let's make more ventilators is very very very very good. I I have a few questions. Including Is a public conversation between ELAM. Musk and bill de blasios. The best way that we should be conducting public health policy during a pandemic. That's that's a big question mark for me. They are strong personalities that I will leave personal feelings about one or both of them out of out of this particular the discussion but Where they needed. How fast can they be made? How fast can they get there? Are there are logistical questions? That I really really having. I hope that there is somebody that is a central clearinghouse to connect. You know whether or not these ventilators are as safe. Be Able to be deployed whether they able to get where they need to be. Yeah that seems to be one of one of the aspects of this. That worries me. It's it's not that the automakers are saying the right things. They are even Elon. Musk is saying look. If you need ventilators I'll I'll make ventilators saying the right thing and it's not that I'm saying why don't trust him. He's just saying that it's that it is something that needs coordination you want to make the right ventilators. You WanNa make them in a way that they can be shipped to the places that need them you need a central clearinghouse whether it's is our or CDC in charge of coordinating. You need someone to look over and say who's making what. How many are they making? I mean you need a frequent product manager for the situation so that you can make sure that you're optimizing these getting them to the right places because lives matter. Lives depend on it. Yeah I also don't think I mean Elon. Musk saying. Hey you need ventilators. Okay we will do that. Let us know the mayor of New York City. I doubt he was like. Oh now's our chance. Tweet back. They if if he's serious obviously contacted him another way but this is like kind of hold in the company's feet to the fire so that everyone else knows. Oh The New York actually needs them to do this. So you can't say something and be flippant about it So that if for some reason Elon Musk and Tesla and whatever warehouses he has access to don't do this then you know then they look bad so I'm sure there's more to it than just chatting on twitter. Yes I hope. I certainly hope so. Yes I'm go is somebody that has had he. He's he's coming under fire for some of the way. He bet he is handling seven. How seriously he is taking it personally. Google IT YMCA. Jim Just Google that Blasios and I hope. I hope that he is that. This is something where if because he's going to have a major problem and this is not the only private public partnership that we're looking at There was a report today or during the press conference today that Carnival cruise lines was possibly looking to dachshund worship. That aren't going to be running as possible floating hospitals the military has already moved some of their of of floating hospitals off the coast of New York City. So there are a lot of things that can come together. I just hope that this is taken more seriously than a twitter. One upsmanship between whatever you might think of them to very loud personalities ventilators and beds are different things if you can have all the beds of the world if you don't have the ventilator for the critically ill patient than the bed doesn't help as much as it would otherwise so you can't say like. Oh but well you know we we put a. They put a navy ship off. I guess we're fine. The navy ship might have some ventilators affect the military has been Requisitioning some of their ventilators and giving them towards the cause from what the people who are dealing with the save we will likely need more. Yes and we're going to need more than we would ever think we could have needed because this is. This is so acute with a very at risk part of our population. Well a great group effort that we are very appreciative of ours everybody who contributes to our sub read it. You can submit stories any story. You think is worthy of attention and your peers. You can vote on other stories that your community submits daily Tech News. Show DOT READY DOT com. Thanks to everybody who does that for us every day. Yeah thanks for that. And thanks for sending things to the mail bag that too in fact Mike Industy and quiet. Riyadh as he as he describes. It says I work for an organization overseas. And we're going to fifty percent or less snapping seeing things shutting down. 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Women, Online Gaming and Covid-19

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Women, Online Gaming and Covid-19

"The, we're apart these days with sharing more so at Geico. We'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing you savage dance moves. Thanks for sharing your diy. Haircut fails. Thanks for sharing your inner lip sync star. Now it's our turn to share with the GEICO. Give back the fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers, because we're committed for the long all the fifteen percent credit last full policy term visit GEICO DOT com slash, give back for more info and eligibility staying on top of the news every single. Single Day is really hard, and that's why we're making news o'clock the new daily podcast from buzzfeed and iheartradio every weekday evening. We help you catch up on all the stories you miss. During the day we've got corona virus updates. We got pop culture news. We've even got interviews with special guests like Isa Array I definitely won't be able to do a yeah. Party this. At all an ethnic mountain, my only chance to be the party. Use o'clock just a new podcast from bus, our heart radio that you need to keep track of life, listen on iheartradio, APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey this is Danny and Samantha. Welcome to Steph I'm never told you production of iheartradio. Today's episode a suggestion that we got from our friend. Jamie Hi Jamie Hi Jamie? We got our letters think we did. The stamps are awesome. And the stationary was beautiful. Yes, so thank you for that and thank you for the suggestion and for the sources that you sent so it's always a delight hearing from you in all of you. Listeners so always keep those suggestions coming. So today, what we're talking about is online gaming, and particularly during our times of quarantine and social isolation, the benefits and the pitfalls when it comes to online harassment specifically when it concerns women. And a big part of this conversation is going to be the game animal crossing New Horizons which I have not played but I love love love love love hearing about people's updates I love hearing about their mortgages. It's an my favorite things. So I. I would love for listeners to senden stories about that about your islands. You've built any of your successes or failures. So I haven't been playing that, but I, have been doing a lot of online gaming particularly with friends. With Mario, cards I've been playing a lot of final fantasy seven remake with friends virtually, so that's not really a game. You play with people, but you can play it while people watch or enjoy it with you. I've been playing where wolf and dominion just had my first two virtual, Dunkin's and dragons sessions, so I kinda counts as online gaming. Account because if a dominion haven't dominion, online I've played the board game. Is You know or a card game is a board game table top tabletop game tabletop game? Oh, gay, and then you kicked my butt and Mario Kart, so we know that. I randomly. Or really bad at Mario Kart something. Awful the entire time that we were playing in the off off again fell off off again. Samantha likes to announce when she. Falls off course and frequent. So. It's just kind of constant commentary. Go again off again off again. We've played dominion online couple of. De. Weakest a week or so ago. And it was fun about two of us really knew what we were doing and other to me included did not so. It made for an interesting dynamic in the game. and I did say one of my favorite quotes from this pandemic came from. I don't know if you remember when all those videos came out of Italian mayors yelling at and or threatening their citizens. Who are not observing social distancing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look it up. It is very funny. It was trending for a while. Yeah, yeah, and in one of those videos, one of the mayor's yield at some dude uis outside playing Ping Pong Ping Pong is not allowed. Go home and play the playstation. That is a sign of our times. Government officials are telling us. Don't go outdoor. Stay indoors. Go black lives. And the WHO recently launched the Hashtag play it home together a campaign which actually seen pop up while I'm being beaten. Awfully. Word, which is probably why being beaten on words with friends to. Come, find me because I'm not great at it and I don't understand is one hundred points scored because you put them the letter on tribal war with double triple. You know letter count could. Jay Sounds confusing. Yes, and I would like to say some of these words are not words. Oh going to put that out there firm stance. I'm just saying I would also like to say the WHO as in World Health Organization, not the band. I would rather be the band I think the band probably would agree I hope if they're responsible and this is after this on the heels of the WHO announcing like a couple of years ago that they thought video game. Addiction was a real problem, so they've suspended that. At least for now during this time of social self-isolation. In Steam reported a record breaking twenty million simultaneous users. It's a lot of people and the first week of isolation. Giving went up by seventy five percent. Yes, so there are a lot of gaming right now, and a lot of a lot of those people are playing animal crossing so since we are going to be talking about a lot. We did want to kind of dive into what that is. You've probably seen even if you haven't played it. You've probably seen it in the news because celebrities make a splash when they go in there and play, and it is yeah, it's a big part of the conversation we're having. In a nutshell, this is a Nintendo game from the animal crossing franchise where players make islands that other players can visit. It's sort of a virtual way of hanging out sometimes called a life, simulation game, or a tend and befriend game. You can do things like maintain a garden. Decorate Your House. Catch butterflies. There's no combat or violence or death. It is a slow paced game. It doesn't end, and the timing of the release was perfect for our time of quarantine. Hit pretty much coincided with the start of self isolation when this game came when a lot of our routines went out the window, a lot of are other popular forms of entertainment like sports and new movies and television were put on hold. Millions of people downloaded it for many. It's been a tool for maintaining a routine and a virtual social life, because of the nature of how the game works. It encourages checking every day. You you check your mail. Go the store to see if their new items. You say hello to everyone you water your plants. To try to pay down your mortgage I, love it. I really love the Stereo. Live one of the last thing that they did before they went on break a digital short about animal crossing, and it was really really funny. I recommend going to look that up. It's one of the players. GETS, murdered. Foul play suspected. It's really good. So I was thinking about it. This I haven't played but what what would your island be like Samantha? What would it be called? Honestly I'm so literal and so bad at all. These naming things in being clever and queued visas. My Island. Lonely island like the that's to less to. Come on now. I'm. Not Trying to argue morose. Yeah but I have no no sense of imagination when it comes to naming things or Come visit my island, but only if I ask you to. I like that name? What would you gates a lot? Minded probably be some weird like. starrewards Marvel Harry Potter? Mash Up Islands I. Imagine it'd be something like you know. Hey Mark Hamill tweet me highland. Much about it. Apparently, everything is really expensive. Is it? turnips people by US turn you harvest turnips to buy bells, and ever since I've done this research google being giving me updates about animal crossing news which I love to. And right before we started I got an update from the polygon article in it said. The turnip market is getting too stressful. I did see the loan shug or something like someone made tweet about him being arrested. Oh my God I think. And I know. Yeah, I've definitely seen that celebrities have really got involved. made it made the news when a lighter would when someone's island I do know that? That was really funny. This is where we are now, and I, definitely seen Chrissy Teigen's being named an unofficial ambassador because she's been doing it social media about it so much that she's been called the unofficial ambassador because I think the. Animal crossing twitter account has replied to her when she gets upset. She said. It was just like what is this? Why is this so expensive? Why are there so little bells or something I? Don't even know. Jamie wrote about I think. She said she played with Gayle, King, oh. Yeah I I read another really funny article from someone who's is writing about how? Kind of annoying, but in a fun way, the game can be like it's annoying that you have this mortgage, and you have to get like frequent flyer miles and all this stuff, but it's like a manageable funding away. I really enjoyed it. I've been I've been. Digging reading about all of this. Much and I will say like I do like the peaceful things, and so the way my partner and tried to get me involved in the video. Gaming is bringing me really things that are easy. And I wouldn't say that I'm one of those like. Oh, so your become that person look always look a little nauseating and we'll to go into that does the. I make and I'm like Oh. Yeah, okay, yeah, he knows me. He's got your number Oh. Yeah, he said a few times. I think when you get into crossing, I think you'd like, but it's sold out as we. There's a shortage of them because they got bought out so quickly and apparently people are like gouging prices, but oh my gosh yeah. I think. A lot of people have asked me to play and honestly. I think I would be the person who would turn it into a stressful I would take something that's supposed to be relaxing and I wouldn't make it stressful. So I from for right now I'm satisfied. Hearing all the updates and seeing the things people are making keep that coming I love means that happening and altogether. I'm cool with that. No I I enjoy it so much brings me so much joy. So what we're specifically talking about with this. Mental Health Benefits of gaming which we've talked about before using it to work through PTSD for instance we've done a lot of episodes on tabletop gaming when it comes to that and video games to and how they have positive benefits like learning things from negotiation and collaboration. There clearly negative that some of us have heard about two. When we look at now and the anxiety and stress in grief that a lot of us are feeling and going through for many gaming has proven to be something incredibly therapeutic right and one of those things that you didn't mention was grief, so we're GONNA. Talk a little bit about grief. Online gaming can help with grief. And not only something common in the distraction, but the have a virtual space to grieve together, and many of us are grieving collectively at the loss of normalcy, and specifically for some the loss of loved ones to this horrible, pandemic and again due to social distancing. Many aren't able to visit. Sick loved ones or attend actual funerals. One of the things you can create an animal crossings new horizons is a quote Western style stone, which is essentially a tombstone. Some players have been making them to honor and remember lost loved ones, and these players have often found it. Cathartic and soothing some. Do you find it unsettling, but but for a lot of people it's something that is does help them go through. Through this grieving process, the spot for the tombstone is usually lovingly chosen and cared for often with flowers planted all around it. Beautiful flowers, others opted instead to recreate spaces like eight grandparents room as a memorial, and it doesn't necessarily have to involve a death. Maybe just misses a relative that they can't see right now, and they find it comforting to make that digital space. During this time of uncertainty, we need our friends and family more than ever, but we can't see them in person. A lot of the time online games like animal crossing facilitate building, comforting spaces that are familiar to us and sharing that space with loved ones. So way to socialize and connect. If you have voice video chat functions, you can even see and hear other people the way to share our `isolation of staying apart, but not being alone. We to remind us of what makes us human other people. And experts say routine is apart of morning and working through grief is routine, and that's what animal crossing is all about and doing this time where we can't go out and find the routine in also we can't pursue normal morning. Routine is like visiting a place or a specific food item associated with someone. It's been a big comfort and help for a lot of people whether grieving loss of a job or again normalcy, or or an actual loved one. Yeah and you can have events like funerals, graduations, weddings, birthdays, other celebrations inside the game, and if a player passes away in real life, other players can still visit their island and leave items like flowers and comment sort of a virtual comment board where people can share this their grief of this person together and their memories of that person together. Now all this being said experts. Do you recommend placing time limits around how much you play if you feel like it's becoming an unhealthy. Taking up all of your time. And as a part of this one thing, I did stumble across on several articles about online gambling addiction, and how that has gone up during this time, and that's something we will definitely come back to in a future episode. We've actually been meaning to do that. Since the Super Bowl has been there. There's been sitting in there. Yeah Yeah, so we'll come back to that. In a future episode, but for now we wanted to talk about another part of online gaming that we're seeing on the rise which is harassment, but first we're going to pause for a quick break for sponsor. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. So we've talked about women in online gaming and harassment. And just as a reminder, women make up more than fifty percent of gamers. But we thought we would do a quick update here, because since so many of us are doing online gaming now and more women than ever entering the space. Many citing boredom and escapism as the reason thought we revisit. The whole harassment part of it, the women's media centers speech project that users and female user names were twenty five times more likely to be threatened and or harassed, compared to users with male or gender, neutral user names and female video game. Journalists are two thirds more likely to be harassed. Right As in most of the different organizations and nonprofits around us, many are reaching out to make sure they can sustain during the pandemic and one of the causes specifically to the gaming industry is a fun called Hashtag. Stay in the game which is specific to nonprofits that work in the gaming industry that focused on mental health, diversity and overall support for marginalized people in that community and industry, and in my very new introduction to this. I'm definitely seen a whole new side because I've never really focused on it. One thing is abundantly clear women, and those who identify as women or Feminazi seemed to be under constant scrutiny. Honestly! That's the nice way of putting it. The amount of vitriol that is directed towards them as A. Real and I know most of you who have already been in this world. Know better than I do, but I will say as outsider. I was completely like what is happening. Because I don't think even contentious political. Debates or divisions has caused the abuse that this has that. I've seen the language in that threat. So just the nastiness that's behind it now. Of course, the support is also there, too, and I did see that in the people who will step up, but when scrolling through the comments and replies, the sheer anger and hate is beyond evident, just a couple of the comments that I found under them advertising the fundraisers. The had nothing to do opinions or search. Wanting to read because I was like. Wow, this has nothing to do. With why you're angry, but one of them says I would rather give try to write. Read it verbatim, and you know grammar's all over the place, so forgive me. I'd rather give my money to actual gain creators, and not to a bunch of S J. WS parasites whose mission is to control how others enjoy video games. Another one was just women's with Dick. But that's why I'm sorry, not women's Woman's. Dick! The Dick. And I was like why in. Raynham posts of. Really harassing porn shots, it was so weird I was like wow, okay. I am happy to report. They have this specific. Fundraising has exceeded their goals. And I love that, and but the overall attacks, and it was definitely a lot of repeat. trolls like there's names that popped up, but was overwhelming I. Don't understand and I will say the negative outweigh the positive for majority of those conversations order those comments and things that people would post are obviously Sifi locations, but they were still on their which says a lot to whether the site actually cares for the people on their platform. But. Yeah, that's a whole different conversation. I'm sure and I know. We've already talked about it on this show repeatedly about the online, harassment and death threats and Just discussing this, but I was just kind of shocked like I really thought because it's been a few years since gaming gate kind of started coming out, and the women were being harassed I thought maybe it slowed down just a little bit, but it really doesn't seem like it has on platforms like twitter and instagram and all of that. Yeah. And I know I've told this story before, but I stopped online gaming. For a while because. I was harassed so much and I even had the gender neutral name, but the problem with that is. If you ever did WANNA use, video or voice chat can't. And so people usually harass you then. To try to convince you to like, Oh, show your show your camp. Show your Kim. and. It's just relentless never gives up and. Their whole websites dedicated to this I think one of the biggest ones I think. It's called fat or slot. That's normally what you'll get called. Was One of those things are both of things properly? So it's just women posting posting that, and then there's this sort of whole default assumption that. Most gamers online gamers are men. And with their all this harassment that comes with that, so there are stories of people like being in a chat room of eight or something and one finally being like I'm actually a woman, and then it turns out. Everyone in there is a woman. Like me too me too only two. But everybody was staying quiet because they're afraid. They're gonNA. Be Her asked. So it just creates this whole community of. Silencing, people and harassing them away and keeping them from playing. Which is really sad? Because as we said, there are health benefits, mental health, benefits and ways you can. Challenge your brain through gaming, and especially in this time when we are looking for something. To. Help US get through. Quarantine. And still have this voelkel. Angry Group trolls so. Just fighting for what they see is. They're entitled video. Game World that we're women are marginalized. Communities are threatening right because they just want space and again I'm just so baffled the thing. That's the question I've been asking you repeatedly like. Why do people think there's such small amount of space in this vast concept of? Limitless. Why are you so angry? Is it because you're afraid that you're going to be better than you? I've told her as three before I once won a super smash brothers, melee competition this right and right. After it ended all the players, they were all shouting at me at once because I was the only woman and they're like. They claimed that I cheated. because. Yeah cheated because I was just kind of waiting while they fought each other, and you could have attacked anytime. I was attacking you. Tacking me. That is on you, Buddy. Cheating just strategy. Why and also I was trying to get in the fray, they were j just didn't see me as a threat thought. Cheese doesn't know what she's doing. This attack other dudes, and they kill each other, and I was like well are one five hundred bucks. Yeah sorry about it, but you lost. This is also in the news recently. I know the. I didn't read too much into it so I'm not going to talk about a too much. The executive producer of valance. Has said that she's trying to make it her mission to get rid of. In game harassment on their platform. So? Yeah, this is ongoing. XBOX has community guidelines is kind of upsetting that they had to go out and say like women if you if you're facing harassment. Consider going with gender-neutral. Avatar mccollum my God okay? Well. We could also try to address the problem which they have. They've made steps, but just the fact that they felt like they had to put that in there, and there's one more conversation as shrink yourself be invisible ray. Yeah, like we're not gonNA. Fix this world, right? We're asking you to accommodate this toxic toxic world. Something else. That's been in the news. Is. Ferociously, Steph which a lot of you've probably heard of because it's made a lot of headlines or issues known on livestream. Fail dear girl. So. This has to do with twitch, which is a popular space for online gaming and streaming, and they recently introduced the twitch. Safety Advisory Council which is made up of activist and streamers that are supposed to moderate and attracted enforced new policies and guidelines. Whether or not it's effective is up for debate, but anyway ferociously. Steph is one of the council members, and she is a trans woman. That identifies as dear. She has some controversial opinions in the gaming community. That voice chat gives this males, a gaming advantage and chat rooms because they don't have to deal with the harassment. Gamers from marginalized communities do so their voice chat functions should be disabled during competitions for instance. She's made claims that she thinks most gamers or white supremacist, and if you disagree with her, she might call you Nazi. She is toxic masculinity slash controls worst nightmare and they've been leading her. Know it which has been driving a ton of traffic to her channel, and she is living for it or stream is called troll warning. She went from barely one hundred views to thousands sometimes over ten thousand so essentially. She's being very successful trolling trolls. Hilarious. Takes a lot of. Resilience to sit there cause. That's just an feels like a never ending never battle. But someone good, but it's just like oh my gosh. I think it takes a particular type of person who's able to reframe it like you know like male tears like the whole. Living for. Upsetting, someone who clearly doesn't is missing the point. Yeah I wouldn't be something. I would be particularly good at but I know some people are. Also just want to throw out there if you're not currently watching what we do in the shadows the TV show. And you can. Do it because I I love it mark. Hamill was in recently Beijing, but the most recent episode was. About trolls and I bet you can guess what the twist of that story. Knowing that show if you know the show or the movie. It was excellent. It was excellent. And one last thing while we're talking about this there are problems to. In the gaming community with racism homophobia, Fat Phobia Able, ism all kinds of things, and it's really unfortunate because I feel like. The gaming community, those problems exist obviously outside in the real world, but the game community is just. Magnified them amplified them or something, so I'm really glad to hear people speaking up. Claiming their space, and it's something that we should all continue to do and support, and if any listeners are involved. On any of those kinds of things or In the creation side of video games, or any part like that, because that's another piece of this problem, is that the video game industry on the production side? Is Largely. Male and has been for a long time and a lot of those creating environments also. Just toxic masculinity abounds, and we will probably most of us have seen those articles about that and about women being. kind of forced out so. A lot of pieces to this. And as more and more of US get into gaming and online gaming. Hopefully that means more and more of US can make our voices heard and change this sort of toxic side of it because it can be such a beautiful. And healthy thing. And if you're wondering about the fundraiser that I was talking about is called. Stay in the game relief fundraiser. It is a really. fundraiser and I went immediately to donate. Even though I don't know much about the community, I'm learning as we go obviously, but just the comments alot, maybe like yeah. I'm absolutely donating here's somebody cook because people are awful. But we can be better. Instead of fighting with them I will just give money and so go look them up. They are fantastic and I'm sure if you're a game or you probably already following a lot of the organizations. That's part of this relief. Yes and there are resources available for you. If. That's something that you're interested in. We do have a little bit more for you, but we have one more quick break for word from our sponsor. Hi I'm Michael, calcium, chairman, and CEO, immediately and host of the new podcast. Good Company we're. We'll talk to some of the smartest minds in media, marketing, entertainment and Tak about how they built their companies from the ground up, or reinvented them from the inside out and how you can do the same. What's really important as we think about purpose, and we think about purpose different brands is you've gotta go back? To what are your values as a brand listening? Subscribe to good company with Michael Castle on the iheartradio APP. Apple podcasts were wherever you get your guests. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. So. We did want to close out with some game recommendations. And some listener mail, so I am a big Gamer I. Probably not so much in the online gaming side, because as I, said unfortunately I was kind of frightened away from that, when I was young and I haven't really returned to it outside of games with friends that I know. So. I got classics like the. Final fantasy I just beat the final fantasy seven remake kingdom hearts bioshock Silent Hill Resin evil fall out bass fact, but I did want to shout out some lesser known some of them are feminist or feminist e games, so when I played recently was on steam called oxygen free try really loved, and it's. It's really beautiful game. It's not that long, but it does have replay value because there's time travel involves. And I describe it as it was described to me as stranger, things meets the goonies. So that one is really good i. like the Path and I know I've talked about the path on the show before, but it came up recently in some episode we talked about and I, didn't get to go into it, but the path. Is this game where you play his little? Red, riding hood. And the only way to win is to lose. So if you follow the path to grandmother's house, the Wolf, they're waiting for you and you lose, so you have to not follow your objective, and you just wander around the woods and do things, and eventually you meet your, Wolf that kills you and the wolf. Is. Are At least the way I interpreted. It is supposed to represent the dangers that women face in our society. and. That happens eight times I think and then on the last time you finally make it to grandmother's house and you're able to survive because of everything you've learned from the generation that came before you. So I feel like that's pretty cool. Journey, which is a really beautiful game all about. Finding ways to communicate with people through song and dance, and it's just. Really Really, beautiful. Gone Home, which is also steam game and it's really cool. Storytelling game about. A young girl, coming out to her religious family. Parade to the puzzle game on Steam, the bridge which is about nuclear war, but it's really pretty, and you wouldn't know that until you get to the end. And then fun games. You can play with friends. Quip lashes well-loved at our office for virtual hangouts. Psych Israel, well of my friends, which is Ellen de generous APP? He can play and Jack in the box where you can draw and all you really need. A is a phone. So those reminds on my recommendations. And I don't really have that many recommendations because I'm not. Really I'm getting into their I'm getting into their. I'm going to say that. I have just got VR game virtual reality games and have gotten really into beat Saber I. Did finally beat an expert level song. I celebrated obey loudly. Space Pirates, which is essentially a robot shooter game and I really liked it. So Hannah there's hopefully in this world I think definitely got nauseous with those into. Definitely stumbled because I thought I was really falling. In those games for sure I'm definitely more of those. Into my phone games. Apparently you told me I'm a game. Because I got into my phone games, they visit. Yep. That's true. Okay, and that means wars with friends to y'all want to confine me. Best means I have really gone into that they got. And, then I think I. There's one really pretty VR game. Guess is color space and all you do is make pretty pictures, and they come to live and animated and I loved those Oh. Yeah, that sounds like a cooling yeah. Yeah I guess I like. Should shut out Mario Kart, but people already know that Mario Party yeah. Yeah that is one I get into. That is the one that I'll. I'll play that even though I'm really bad at it really bad at it. I'm not so great either. But. just dance like my new exercise of choice since I go out right I've play hours of just answer week. I say the new even though people talk about. Gaming and being inside too much. I've gotten the most exercise while being in quarantine due to these, games, yeah! They're fun to. That's I've joked it. I'm making a list of CORENTIN skills and one of my corentin skills as I can anticipate the bad dance moves in just dance only stance. Can. Now Yeah. I know I asked on twitter. What my next game should be I put up like control, dead or jamshed God of war and Zelda breath of the wild and everybody pretty much. Everybody voted for breath a wild. Cave story, keep story. So I guess that's what I'll be playing next, but if you all have any suggestions, please please always looking for suggestions recommendations. Speaking of Listeners We. Do have some lesser l.. We want to read. Kerry route I've been a longtime listener, but never want to comment I. Just want to send a book recommendation although I admit I have to listen in chronological order, so I'm a bit behind most current episodes, and maybe you've already read it. It's called beautiful work in progress by Mira Valero and her journey through life to becoming an ultra runner. I think you guys would love it. Yes, we met her kind of. Verner vader of her. I saw her at an event I. Don't think you were there. I was there. Yeah, Miss that event. I remember when they were advertising and I was like man. I want to go there. I couldn't. I was gone for some reason, but let me. So he's amazing. She was great. She was so great and inspiring So yes, I have had a chance to read it yet, but thanks for the reminder. sounds right up our alley. I think we need to for sure and then another listener. wrote there's a podcast found called terrible. Thanks for asking and I've seen this is well. It's amazing for if you want a good cry, and we've already talked about the fact that yes, I enjoy a really good cry. You ladies should check it out if you ever need some inspiration for cheers, so thank you, Ashley I definitely will so I can just sit and cry. Yes of and we love the podcast recommendations to it, so please keep those coming and also please please please write in about your animal. Crossing New Horizons villages, your islands or they called whether they look like fixtures. Honestly is such a source of joy. I. Need a picture. Yes, yes, you send those are way. You can do that at our email. which is steph medium stuff, iheartmedia, dot, com, or you can find us on twitter at mom, stuff, podcast, or on Instagram at Steph I'm never told you thanks as always to our super producer, Andrew, Howard thanks dangerous and thanks to you for listening. Stefan ever told us the protection. Of iheartradio for more podcasts from IHEART radio is iheartradio. 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"Coming up on Amazon closed a small warehouse because a worker was infected. How should you treat those packages? You ordered online. Intel has a chip. That can smell things for you. An auto makers volunteer to make ventilators daily Tech News for Thursday march nineteenth. Twenty twenty in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio red. I'm Sarah Lane from lockdown of Justin Robert Young and from the SOCO. La Area and the show's producer. Roger Chan we were talking about podcast intech and how that's now just become all entertainments tech. We were also talking about the significance of what's going on right now on good day Internet. Get that wider conversation become a member. Patriot dot com slash. Dt AND S. Let's start here with a few tech things you should know a report by loop ventures at Gene Munster notes that increases and availability of the sixty four GIG iphone eleven sixty four GIG iphone eleven pro air pods pro and the second Jenn air pods imply. The company's supply partners in China are returning to regular production output levels. Monster believes that lower lead times mostly point to a restart in production in China regular production anyway and the softening demand accounts for some but minority of that Bob. The New York Stock Exchange announced that it will temporarily close its physical trading floors and move to an all electronic trading following to positive Kobe nineteen tests this week. All Electric Trading will begin on March. Twenty third plug in Uber. Ceo Derrick. Rose was shot. He said on an investor call that ride volume has dropped by up to sixty to seventy percent in cities. Hit hardest by coke. Nineteen like Seattle goes shy. He stressed that even in the worst case scenario of rides down eighty percent for the year. Uber would still have four billion dollars of unrestricted cash in the bank. And a two billion dollar credit line company is also considering using its network to deliver needed items like medicine and basic goods. Microsoft announced that Microsoft teams had forty four million daily active users as of March Eighteenth at twelve million user increase in the last week alone. Twenty customers have over one hundred thousand employees each using teams. That's up from fourteen last week. And in November two thousand Nineteen Microsoft announced teams had twenty million daily active user. So quite a jump and not surprising the US Federal Communications Commission announced that it temporarily waived quote unquote gift rules for its rural healthcare in Iraq programs until September twentieth. Two Thousand Twenty. These rules ordinarily forbid rural healthcare facilities libraries and schools who are part of the program and receiving subsidies from accepting anything of value from ISP's participating in the program the change could let ISP's donate Wifi hotspots upgraded network equipment and offer free service for Telemedicine and Distance Learning September twentieth wedding anniversary. So I'll remember that they're losing that exemption then Amazon spokesperson confirmed a CNBC Amazon Prime Pantry which launched in two thousand fourteen is temporarily closed in the US. Due to high order volumes tied to of course people preparing to stay at home because of Cova nineteen prime pantries that let's prime members by packaged groceries and household items discount. 'cause you pack them all together in one shipment. No Word on win service for Prime Pantry will resume. Let's talk a little bit more about what Europe Santa Netflix Justin. Well Tom the European Union's internal market and Services Commissioner Atira Britain called on streaming video providers to switch to standard definition content during peak usage and take other measures to ease the strain on internet infrastructure. Netflix says it will reduce bit rates across all streams in Europe for thirty days and estimates that will estimates that it will reduce NETFLIX TRAFFIC ON EUROPEAN NETWORKS. By around twenty five percent later retin warned that network provider were network providers that wild they can take quote exceptional traffic management measures and quote to ease congestion. They must not discriminate against individual content providers commission also called on users to use Wi fi over cellular whenever possible and choose lower content resolution when possible. Bits saving measures are going into effect. Watch- watching standard Def for our survival exact. Yeah because this is crazy. Broadband distancing pleased distance. You're bits appropriately. Don't pack them into tightly. Bits will be two meters apart as delivered to your Netflix streaming. At the same time it would be hard to argue. No no no. I am not going to standard def. It's just not that big of a crisis and honestly there is a lot of video delivering of that can literally grow or shrink the Internet based on on how you do it it. Networks is taking those steps then. I think everybody can deal with a few more pixels and a and an hats off to the people who are working to keep the Internet running It isn't as easy as it might seem to. It's kind of amazing that it's still working to me. No kidding we'll speaking of video streaming. A lot of folks are experimenting now. More than ever with chrome extension called Netflix Party. The let's a group of friends who all have netflixing cup video watching together so it's like a party you're all you know shelter place and has a chat room so you can chat while you're watching all users and a party. Have the option to pause rewind or fast forward unless the initiator reserves that function to themselves could get a little crazy depending on how many people are doing it. Polygon points out that there are other similar options like mets dream for chrome and Firefox. Six to seven which has paid tier to access some services like Hulu or Disney plus and watched two together which also supports audio streams. If you happen to want to listen to podcasts with your friends as with all browser extensions be careful. All extensions are not created equal. And it's hard to tell who's making some of these programs so be You know vigilance and install your own risk. Yeah I was trying to figure out. Who is behind Netflix party? They don't care about US page. There's not much detail about them. They have a three star rating on the chrome extension store so that that raise my hackles a little bit Is it just just be careful? Be Wise make This idea of watching things is always one where Mike do. People really want to do this. And this is Talia right. Like if it's ever GonNa work this. Is it actually have a group of friends who were all kind of scattered around? We're on the US but no one lives anywhere near me. So I'm not going to be in the same room watching Netflix with them at any point. Well we all have not fucks and this kind of got floated as a great idea and we all said. Yes. Let's do. It can't agree on a time as humans where we all want to do together. It requires us. Everyone's on appointment viewing now so it's like why can't do that at nine. Nine your time is midnight for me. Sarah. So it's It's still hurting cats a little bit but I love this idea. I've always wanted something like this to work well. And that's not even because I'm stuck at home just this like a fun thing to do with people who you just aren't going to see that. I say that this is something that I I am taking a fresh. Look at all of these things like. I have never when they announce facetime to have multiple parties. That you get a bunch of people in there initially. I'm like whatever I mean. I barely like it when anybody face times me let alone phase timing with many people and yet there. I was last night with two friends that I normally go out without Wednesdays. We now can't because of shelter at home and we were enjoying each other's company on multiple phase facetime. So I'm all about this. I do think however please please friends you cannot double check these plug INS enough to have a. They can that they are. They are back doors and not all the ones that Sarah mentioned are extensions. Some of them are independent services. But again you given your information to other people you can just try to get on chat and say three to one press play but it won't perfectly sink Yeah so that that's kind of what these services are providing the ability to do this. I wonder if Netflix will just R- they've they've had a service like this out of their hacker groups before the ramp up something like that that they offer themselves or some of those other products out there comeback. But yeah this is Go check out that polygon article has a wrap up of all the ones that Sarah mentioned and kind of evaluate them. Pick the ones right for you. Monday announced it had trained. It's lowy neurotrophic trip at chip to identify the sense of ten different hazardous chemicals a paper in the Journal. Nature Machine Intelligence describes work done with Cornell University on the Louis Heat ship with the output of seventy two chemical sensors teaching Louis. He that a particular response correspondent to the presence of a particular chemical. So it's not just a sensor that detects a molecule. It's actually trying to mimic the human brain's ability to detect smells so that it can distinguish chemicals even among interfering smells. If one smell is overpowering the other It might still be able to tell that. It's there Wednesday. Intel announced the General Readiness of POA wiki springs a self contained neuromorphic system running on seven hundred sixty eight Louis. He chips available to researchers in the CLOUD INTEL CISCO WHO IKI springs is similar in neural capacity to the brain of a small mammal. So the first thing I thought here was just safety like industrial safety. Have certain situations where you're dealing with chemicals where it might not be immediately clear to a human brain that they're that things are raising to unsafe levels that that this would be a way to do it. A kind of a digital canary in a coal mine. Right are there any obligations that you can think of the top of your head? Yeah that's a really good one any kind of safety situation where where you're looking for leaks or spills any kind of security situation There's there's a lot of ego through the TSA here in the United States or any any security at an airport and they'll do those swabs and things because they're checking for chemicals this smell the ambient air and say well. Hey hold on We think we detect the faint odor of something. That shouldn't be in. Somebody's luggage and then you can. You can start checking around to find out where comes from. That's that's sensitive of a situation. Then you have where where you have to you have to look for. The actual molecules themselves yameen carbon monoxide. Alarms you know at least at least in California. You know it's it's you have to do it. It's it's a legality But eating or even in situations like that where there's something that is unsafe at a certain level but maybe you're burning a candle you know and you you just you aren't able to discern between that kind of thing having the technology to be able to be like where we are detecting something For a variety of things. That shouldn't be shouldn't be sniffed or just been around is pretty cool Amazon. Enclosed a small warehouse in Queens New York following a positive cove in nineteen tests by an associate associates at the warehouse were sent home with pay. As Amazon sanitizers the facility Amazon's et. It has increased sanitizing surfaces at facilities and staggered shift times among measures to prevent further spread the US National Institute of Health Says. The virus can stay active on cardboard for up to twenty four hours and two to three days on plastic and steel but those are droplets not necessarily just droplets or the way they think transmission happens in most cases if people who get covert probably get it from droplet which is usually sneezed or coughed. More likely Something in the air. It's not airborne but it's droplets. That happened in the air. And so if it gets on a surface it could possibly transmit the virus. What they're saying is look. We find that the the viruses is still valid or an active for up to twenty four hours on cardboard but they also don't think that is the major way that it is transmitted. So if you if you've got someone who is at high risk you might want to take that into account and keep those cardboard boxes away from them until you're sure they they've been away for more than twenty four hours etc but it's not a high likelihood of getting something from the package that said Amazon needs to be more transparent about what they're doing to keep these facilities safe. I've gotten banks telling me more about how they're wiping down the counters at their at their branches than we know about what Amazon's actually doing in their warehouses some transparency would go a long way to having people understand how this all works and it's another indication if we had more testing you could just say. Look if you're in a position where you're going to be touching things you know the. Us Post Office Amazon. Let's just test everybody. The problem is we don't have enough test so we can't afford to just test. Everybody like that Hopefully there there are at least doing test for fever. Make sure that if anybody has a fever they're not allowed to come to work at these warehouses things like that but you don't. There's not a high risk of getting this from a package. We did want to pass along those facts about the activity of the virus. Just just so you have the facts as well wash your hands. There's there's the one Then now forever. Wash your hands if you've got an Amazon package and you handle it Washer and tossed the packaging as soon as you get. Yeah I mean. The Amazon has so many warehouses at so many different sizes. All over the place. And you've got you say well. Okay let's say you more or less trust Amazon to do the right thing. Okay well they figured out a certain facility needed a thorough a thorough cleaning and they're being really fast across the board. Okay even so I mean I don't know how someone who is driving in Amazon freight truck interacts with anybody at a warehouse. And how many people that might go through before it gets to me. I mean there's there's so much involved in less Amazon says here's exactly what's going on in here all the steps. We're taking from the point that you order something to the point that you you know plug in your new smart because it's been delivered to you. It is really hard. It's it's it's hard to know so yes as you mentioned just in you have to go overboard in in keeping yourself safe because that's all you can really do. Yeah I mean it's annoying. Everyone knows it's annoying. But just it's just wash your hands fifty times. It's fine I got some. I got some hands up. That smells really good. I am enjoying it in my hands. Not The worst thing in the world. I mean I did it before but I do it a lot. Conan O'Brien announced on Wednesday. He will return to full shows on. March thirtieth. He wrote on twitter. I will shoot at home using an iphone and my guests. Well skype. This will not be pretty but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe. Jimmy Fallon has been filming youtube videos that are incorporated into the evenings. Rerun of the tonight. Show Stephen Colbert has been filming a new monologue for the late show. Reruns and Jimmy. Kimmel has been sharing his own mini log. That's a Hashtag on social media. We talked a little bit about this during good day Internet But it is. It is quite fascinating to see the world of entertainment high production value. Entertainment turned to what we've been doing on shows like this for fifteen years and it's I'll be a part of me wants to be like I look at you guys doing what we've been doing part of me is is heartened like oh welcome to our. Yes this you can do this absolutely. I mean my first reaction was like doesn't have anything besides an iphone. You know what I found out. I was pretty nice. Shot do all the time. So it's like as long as it's funny. It almost doesn't matter as much when I watched the latest last week. Tonight with John Oliver He. He wasn't home but he was sort of in a kind of like an apple out. It was like a white back on behind him. But there's no studio audience. They didn't do canned laughter so there was no laughter at all and I was like. This is a weird way to watch the show but I appreciate the effort. I appreciate. Everyone's effort I mean they. They want to keep going and they want to keep their audiences. They want to keep people happy. So you gotta work with what you have get creative and look There are a radio shows that are now going fuller remote and some of them have is the end lines. Many many. Don't and many sound like all the podcast that you've listened to many of our voices on in in our earlier years Except now they are at the height of entertainment and media there. There has never never been more of a mainstream Showing of skype callers and of various different focusing and refocusing a Vermont Automatic Cameras. It is it is just a bizarre time to live in and I do think that part of the lessons here will be remembered for a long time. I I think that that the idea of the gigantic studio or shows being predicated on a studio audience may may recede from from this point you know GonNa realize that it is not needed for all of them. There's there's some interesting things one is like what you saying Sarah. Without a studio audience to laugh. You need a different kind of joke. You need a different rhythm so there may be the situation there like you know what if we want to do a traditional monologue? We gotTa have a studio. That's one thing we learned and we don't have a studio audience. We have to write differently. Your rhythm has to be different. I've noticed that Albert stuff. Some of his jokes were great of the way he delivers them others. You can tell. He's just out of habit pausing for applause at fault because you're like Abbiati chain know and that and a lot of that goes for sporting events right okay. We'll play to an empty stadium. Well the stadium also matters that all of that stuff. It's just we've always done it this way. This is the way that works. Oh well now we have to do it differently. Let's try to do it the same way. That didn't work either. Okay let's rethink this. I don't know maybe some good will come of the. I think what we'll see is more of these kinds of of diy segments. They've been creeping into the two hypertension value shows here and there. But I bet they'll be doing a lot more of these and they'll they'll realize like oh we've we've developed the skill. We figured out what's appropriate. We figured out how to make it happen like just it was joking before the show that you know they'll figure out that a USB Mike is not great and they still want an analog Mike with the USB extender like they'll figure all that out and we'll we'll see more of this like in these shows even when things go back to normal knock on wood. Yep Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com man. Yesterday I was talking about how Elon Musk should offer his tesla factory to to make things that hospitals and healthcare providers might need. I swear I hadn't seen any of the stories that happen immediately. After that when I said it ventilators particularly are needed for critically ill patients. And there's a real concern that the number of critically ill patients could soon exceed the number of ventilators on hand in the United Kingdom companies including the jet engine maker rolls-royce not the car maker Airbus and Jaguar. Land Rover have been asked if they can help address. The pending shortage Toyota has also offered to help there in the United States. General Motors CEO. Mary Barra told the White House. She's looking into making ventilators at her companies factories. Ford's talking to the US and UK government's about doing so and on twitter which is where Elon. Musk does most of his talking. A user asked Elon. Musk he could have. Tesla make ventilators and musk responded. Wednesday quote we will make ventilators if there is a shortage Thursday morning. New York City's mayor wrote. Our country is facing a drastic shortage. And we need ventilators et sap to Elon. Musk he wrote that. We will need thousands in the city over the next few weeks. We're getting them as fast as we can. But we could use your help. We're reaching out to you directly although reaching out to someone in an replying. Twitter is not the definition of directly. But okay there are. Other efforts going onto razor. Ceo Young Tang Announced they will shift a number of the razor manufacturing lines and believe me. They're selling razor equipment right now because people game from home but they're still gonNA shift some of their manufacturing lines to make surgical masks. Those are also in short supply and essential for healthcare workers. Razor thinks that can make a million masks which it will give the healthcare providers for free with the first shipments going to Singapore where razors headquarters are located and the related story Nathan proctor. Who's the head of the right to repair campaign for the US? Public Interest Research Group called on ventilator makers to release all the repair documentation for their essential medical kit especially ventilators and I fixed. It has already begun to compile ventilator service manuals and make them available on their site so that there can be more onsite faster repair of ventilators. So you can keep using them longer. This is this is a very interesting situation. It is exactly where my head was at yesterday when we were talking about this. Justin what what should happen here. What's the role of technology and automaker companies and others in stepping in here and helping so real quick primer for everybody the major issue here if if you are unaware although this is pretty much all that anybody's thinking of Bud in the entrance The interest of clarity. The problem with what we're going to face is not necessarily even the the lethal of power of the virus but there is a choke point in terms of hospital beds and equipment. And so this on its face all these companies coming together saying look we have the engineers we have the. We have the the lines to make them. Let's make more ventilators is very very very very good. I I have a few questions. Including Is a public conversation between ELAM. Musk and bill de blasios. The best way that we should be conducting public health policy during a pandemic. That's that's a big question mark for me. They are strong personalities that I will leave personal feelings about one or both of them out of out of this particular the discussion but Where they needed. How fast can they be made? How fast can they get there? Are there are logistical questions? That I really really having. I hope that there is somebody that is a central clearinghouse to connect. You know whether or not these ventilators are as safe. Be Able to be deployed whether they able to get where they need to be. Yeah that seems to be one of one of the aspects of this. That worries me. It's it's not that the automakers are saying the right things. They are even Elon. Musk is saying look. If you need ventilators I'll I'll make ventilators saying the right thing and it's not that I'm saying why don't trust him. He's just saying that it's that it is something that needs coordination you want to make the right ventilators. You WanNa make them in a way that they can be shipped to the places that need them you need a central clearing house whether it's a czar or CDC in charge of coordinating. You need someone to look over and say who's making what. How many are they making? I mean you need a frequent product manager for the situation so that you can make sure that you're optimizing these getting them to the right places because lives matter. Lives depend on it. Yeah I also don't think I mean Elon. Musk saying. Hey you need ventilators. Okay we will do that. Let us know the mayor of New York City. I doubt he was like. Oh now's our chance. Tweet back. They if if he's serious obviously contacted him another way but this is like kind of hold in the company's feet to the fire so that everyone else knows. Oh The New York actually needs them to do this. So you can't say something and be flippant about it So that if for some reason Elon Musk and Tesla. And you know whatever warehouses he has access to. Don't do this then you know. Then they look bad so. I'm sure there's more to it than just chatting on twitter. Yes I hope I certainly hope so. Yes I is somebody that has had he. He's he's coming under fire for some of the way. He bet he is handling seven. How seriously he is taking it personally. Google IT YMCA. Jim Just Google that Blasios and I hope. I hope that he is that. This is something where if because he's going to have a major problem and this is not the only private public partnership that we're looking at There was a report today or during the press conference today that Carnival cruise lines was possibly looking to dachshund worship. That aren't going to be running as possible floating hospitals the military has already moved some of their of of floating hospitals off the coast of New York City. So there are a lot of things that can come together. I just hope that this is taken more seriously than a twitter. One upsmanship between whatever you might think of them to very loud personalities ventilators and beds are different things if you can have all the beds of the world if you don't have the ventilator for the critically ill patient than the bed doesn't help as much as it would otherwise so you can't say like. Oh but well you know we we put a. They put a navy ship off. I guess we're fine. The navy ship might have some ventilators affect the military has been Requisitioning some of their ventilators and giving them towards the cause from what the people who are dealing with the save we will likely need more. Yes and we're going to need more than we would ever think we could have needed because this is. This is so acute with a very at risk part of our population. Well a great group effort that we are very appreciative of ours everybody who contributes to our sub read it. You can submit stories any story. You think is worthy of attention and your peers. You can vote on other stories that your community submits daily Tech News. Show DOT READY DOT com. Thanks to everybody who does that for us every day. Yeah thanks for that. And thanks for sending things to the mail bag that too in fact Mike Industy and quiet. Riyadh as he as he describes. It says I work for an organization overseas. And we're going to fifty percent or less snapping seeing things shutting down. 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283: Blake J Harris: Days Gone, Mortal Kombat 11, Epic Game Store, History of the Future, Labo VR, Cuphead, Console Wars

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283: Blake J Harris: Days Gone, Mortal Kombat 11, Epic Game Store, History of the Future, Labo VR, Cuphead, Console Wars

"Hey, guys, Kristen Spicer here with the quit cold open. I just wanted to say I am fundraising for Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital again this year, we did an amazing job last year. I think we raised over a little over three thousand dollars. I want to raise over six thousand dollars this year doubled. It doubled it. I just got back from visiting the hospital in Memphis and. I wanna be your eyes and ears to that. And in what it is. And what they do in. It's so powerful to be there and see them I played smash brother with with a couple of kids and. I mean, just to see the light in the joy in their eyes. And two of the kids were playing Zoeller brother and his younger, brother and. This puts his arm around. Who's like, he's my best friend. And know what these families are going through. And I know I have two kids. So maybe it's different for me. It is for other people. But. Kids and cancer. No one. No one should have to go through that. And no one should have to go through it alone. And what Saint Jude makes possible and bring families out there, and they don't pay for any travel. They don't pay for any of the Medicaid. They don't pay for anything, and it's all taken care of in the environment. And the way they bring video games into it in the world, they build for these people in to see the kids that have gone better because of them in Saint Jude's shares their research with everybody, but all kids everywhere have a chance and they want to cure cancer. And they've partnered with the World Health Organization out to make it international in the work. There do I can't if I start to really talk about it. I'll get choked up it just walking through the hospital and seeing these families pulling their kids along a wagon in. In. It's a lot. That's a whole lot. We have a whole. We have a great episodes. I don't want to we agreed episode. But I want you to donate I want you to help these kids and have an easy linkup. If you go to my website Christian, Spicer dot com. You can donate right there links right there all of the money goes to Saint Jude. One hundred percent of it goes to them, then a processing fees, or I'm not taking a cut notating cuts all going to them and tell tax deductible and for this week until may fourth any dollar you donate. I will match it dollar for dollar up to a max of thousand dollars. I'm not made of money. But I want to help kids man who did a great job last year. And now you can do it. I'll be streaming more all month to help raise money, and I want you to join me in those dreams, I want you to tell your friends three dollars buys a surgical mask. Every little bit helps it really does. Tell your friends spread the word. Let's cure cancer. That's helped these kids. All right. Chris Spicer dot com. There's a link there. Go donate help these kids. I'll be talking. More all the month as well. Okay. Love you guys. Thanks. There. It is when that base crashes in you know, it's time to begin and wherever you are whenever you are in. However, you happen to be listening. We're so glad you've chosen to tune in to de l z. Specially if you are one of our geeks in sneaks using this podcast, a power you through a workout or a run. Maybe you're doing dishes. Maybe you're in the car. Maybe you're in traffic, whatever it is. We're going to try to help the only way we know how in in your ear holes for ninety plus minutes a game and goodness. Because D L C is your downloadable commentary for the week delivered the way we love it to be and that is completely free. Thanks to our sponsor this week squarespace. Spe square sprays brings the show to you deal. See, of course, the show all about games in their many forms games. Played on desktops, laptops, in consoles. Also games that involve dice Islip and cardboard I'm your host, Jeff Kenna that's spell with two ends in one t and I am joined as always my friend slush co host slash nemesis. The guy who also opens to a billion dollars worldwide, Mr. Christian, Spicer Hilo Christian. Hello, jeff. Hello listeners. One incredible to I'm so curious about the person all the people who don't go see all the other marvel movies. But only watch the avengers movies, apparently like who are those people, and how do they decide to only adventures movies? Yeah. I don't know. I think it's cool. I mean, I'm glad I it's amazing to me that you know, this movie that this is a direct sequel to more people saw in the first week. Yeah. No, it's unbelievable on at home. And. People are like, well, I gotta get out there and see how this before anybody spoils it. I'm just I'm just happy. We live in a world where that movie exists. And it was good, and it was a satisfying conclusion. And now we got game of thrones. I it's like it's this gig holidays is what this is amazing. But we also got video games to talk about a lots of them. And we have an awesome guest to do it. With is going gonna be fun. You know, the deal see always stands for your downloadable Canada. And you're downloadable Christian. But this week. Oh, man, I'm excited because D L C stands for drafting literary chronicles because we have the best selling author of console wars and the history of the future. Mr. Blake Jay Harris joins us for the first time Hilo Blake. Hey, guys. Thank you so much for having me on absolutely Christian. And I are both fans of your work and Christian take you could say big fan. That'd be okay. If you put big in there, we are oversized fans of your wing. We are. Yeah. Christian would not shut up about console wars for weeks after reading it. And and I am loving the history of the future. I'm a VR nut. So it's been fascinating seeing an inside look at that stuff. And you know, the books are written like like novels, really, it's it's their page. Turner's your you kind of feel like you're inside those worlds, and you get a sense of of all that stuff so kudos and thank you for for kind of bringing these kinds of stories giving them the the focus that they deserve in a in a novelization of in a, you know, a nonfiction book form, thank you. I'm glad that resonated with you that way that I was always my goal. Basically, my desire to write these books because I'm so shocked by how few video game books are out there at fortunately, we have been more in the past five years or so, but I just wanted to make sure that there is very accessible books. I, you know, I often say that I write everything I do with my grandmother and mind thinking, how can I get my grandma to care about Saco, Nintendo, or or Oculus where virtual reality. And if my grandma could follow along that anyone could follow along, but some clad to hear that it's working that way, and perhaps more importantly than my books. I have a theory for your vendors question of who skimming their vendors movies. Just to see the other marvel movie was just the city events. I love it more bang for your buck. When you got all the heroes in the same saved. It's such a simple theory. I. Something I was thinking about as I was imagining the next phase of marvel, and we won't give away any spoilers. But what I was thinking was people just really like Robert Downey junior as Tony stark, and they'll see the movies in and as awesome as Black Panther was which probably was uniquely a tear better than all the other, you know, movies other marvel movies, which are all I've enjoyed all of them. But I think that people come out to see Robert Downey junior and. I guess. I don't know. How can we test this theory? But anyway. Spend a minute homecoming made like three hundred forty million. I think domestically. So it did. Well, but it wasn't like nothing just garbage. Yeah. It wasn't like I mean, I guess they didn't make a big deal about it. I think that's the spread of that. I was surprised how about she was a part of it. It really couldn't just didn't like Spiderman and iron meant called that. Maybe they should have been a big deal about that. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Perhaps, you know, he he's great. And I'm particularly taken by Chris Evans performance over these however many movies into like, I just think he's fantastic. But anyway, back to your, but I have to keep you on topic. But. I love the fact that these stories about this hobby that I've been involved with in interested in entire life and involved in professionally for well over a decade, and knowing sort of the ins and outs to a certain degree. Do you find that? Because some of this stuff is a little undercover d-, not undercover. But undercover d- that you that it's harder for you to sort of do the research and get get into the room, or do you find that it's easier to get those stories and find out, you know, firsthand accounts of stuff like that was happening between Sega and intendo, for example. Well, it's a really good question because you're right. I I do think that compared to the film industry in the music industry, which are OB somewhat similar footing for guards to being Antic, beloved entertainment industries. You know, what happens behind the scenes of the video game industry has certainly under reported. And I guess for me. By experience has been so different on the two different books. Partly because one was a story about Sagan intendo that happened twenty five twenty years ago and versus one that was happening in real time. And the fact that these people still work these companies, then also just the fact that my level of X when I started writing counselors, I had no previous credits. So I was a nobody. And now, I was somebody who at least wrote a book that some people read, but you know, for the Sega Nintendo book, I was just kind of shocked by how little there was out there, and that definitely did work to my advantage. Because when I started when I I should say early on it was very hard to figure out who I should even be speaking with because they're just, you know, there wasn't the list of who are these companies, and they hadn't really giving interviews, but when I did speak with them they were almost like uh finally someone someone wants to talk to me about this somebody's asking. So it wasn't like, you know, versus this book where people who are still very terraced at the time. But you know, when you interview someone for the twentieth time to talk about the same thing. Are not as thrilled to talk about it. And you try to find that questions. So you know, one thing that always really stood out to me about my first experience with council. Whereas even before I wrote it was so by this point in I guess, it was November twenty twelve at that point. I still had my day job. Trading commodities for Brazilian clients. I was about after I sold this book proposal, and we took the book proposal out to twenty-five publishers. And also at this point Seth Rogan and Scott Rudin already on board to do the feature film based on the book, which is now going to be a TV series. Then Seth have also agreed to write the forward and he was producing a documentary. So there's a lot of cool. Good stuff happening with people who are way more famous than me. And of the twenty five book publishers that we went out to twenty two of them passed and the reason was essentially video game books. Don't sell that gamers don't buy books, which I thought it was ridiculous. And so I'm so glad that the gamers out there have proved them wrong, and you know, whatever small way, I hope that the success of. Worse. And now the history of the future does, you know, create more of a market to inspire other writers, or at least make it easier on them to tell these stories because like you I'm just a fan. And I want to know these stories, you know, people have asked me if I'm gonna write a council words to and maybe I will one day. It's more just an issue of time. You know, I have the curiosity by the fine. Never get to it. I would love for someone else to do it. I just want to read I want to know what's going on behind the scenes. So I hope that the books have helped make that happen for other writers counselors to is is what Sony and Microsoft would. Yeah. Yeah. Christian. I know that you have before you even get to sort of history the future, which many questions about I know, you have some stuff you wanted to ask about consul worse. Well, mostly Blake. I just want to put you on retainer. And just have you sit and write books for me all the time about things that I want to learn about love reading it the way you write it like I mean council words air, quote, two or whatever the idea of Sony, and Microsoft, sure, sure, sure, that's all well and good. But I want like Microsoft from XBox three sixty two Xbox One like what happened there? So please write a book about that. I would like about a book about Nintendo going from the game cube and like trying to compete with the big boys. And then changing totally to we. And then the failure air quote of the we you and the resurgence of switch. I'd like a book about that. Like all. But so when you're writing when you sat down to write council wars than history of the future. You know, how important was it for you? You mentioned your grandma approach like how important was that from you from the get-go, or as you started kind of doing the research and putting this together you saw that as an avenue to frame it as a conversation where it feels like you're a fly on the on the wall in the room with these individuals because another approach like grandma writing is just simplified, right? We're Sega mayday console where you could play games. And that's certainly not the approach you went where you got you talked about blast processing, and whether it's real or not and how they advertised it versus what it actually did like you covered the nitty gritty, but you did it in a way that in my opinion felt conversational and more like a film than a let me tell you about six Nintendo like win. Did that decision come into focus for you? What's a good question? Because probably throughout the writing of counselors, which I wrote from. Basically twenty eleven to twenty fourteen came out in may of twenty fourteen. I don't think that I explicitly thought a lot of these things because I I was just trying to figure them out. But but in in hindsight of really big. Turning point in terms of of my approach was I was doing an interview with Olaf Olafsson who has one of the greatest names, and was you know, one of the heads of Sony back in the early nineties, and he's mentioned in the book, as you know, going from Sony image, soft the software company that was making games for an attendee to helping with the PlayStation project. And I remember talking to Olaf in his office here in New York, and I was asking him about the early days with intendo when when he was just working with them as a software developer, and he described the experience as being like a slave on a plantation, which I thought was a very dramatic way of putting it certainly a way of putting that I never would have occurred to me I would have felt a little too hyperbolic or maybe insensitive to the reality of what he was saying. But but but I remember leaving his office and thinking that the story was actually so much like game of thrones. Where you have these different companies. And each of them believes that they were the ones that deserved to be the top dog. Ugh. You know, Sony, basically Sega to this day even thinks that Nintendo was a bunch of bullies and intendo when I interview people to this day, they say it was a bunch of marketing frost with black fast processing and create advertising, but terrible games. And then Sony thought both of them are doing it wrong. And they felt snubbed by both those companies and so game of thrones the books know even more so than the series really wasn't inspiration. Not just because of the importance of the perspective driven narrative telling where each of the chapters and game of thrones is from a different character perspective, but it's still raining in the third person. But also just the fact that if you the actual the writing style of game of thrones is basically like scenes like in a movie that in between those scenes is just history. We've throughout the provides context to help make the team more important or at least to weave in the history. So that later on in the book, it's relevant to you. And I think that that was something I started more. Intentionally did I was reading the game with real books around that time too. So maybe I just saw what I went to see, but it was a really big inspiration. And that was like the way for me to try to get in a lot of that history that you're right. If I was really truly just reading my grandma I'd probably would be two hundred page book instead of a five hundred page book. And I probably would have simple simplified things just not include them. But also, I grew up during that time, and I found so much stuff asking I found so many of the characters fascinating that I wanted to try to make sure that there was a wide scope to the story and also. Going back to the perspective aspect. You know? I there is a lot of truth to that idea that I know George are Martin has talked about where every villain feels like the hero of their own story. Really, not sure how the white walkers into that. And it's. We haven't got that POV chapter of the white walk like, I just went dead people not be dead. Is that so wrong? No one likes. Did. Let's just make them not dead kid white walkers being like, what are we going to eat today being like, we're try. Yeah. That's my problem with the show. Now, I would've of those guys want where's the sympathetic white? Walker perspective. But, but you know, I really just wanted to. So basically, like a good example of me even going further than I expected, and I know that this is the place that some people have criticized console worse is to sakes, perspective attended. It was very obviously the villain that also helped motivate them because they were such an underdog at the time. But from those perspective, they did they were the good guys. They thought that they're put on bullying techniques were things that were necessary for Caprio prevent another video game crash. And then also, you know, an example that time that made Nintendo seem like the bad guy for the public was them buying the Seattle Mariners, which at the time coincide with a lot of Japanese companies purchasing American companies, and there was the phobic aspect to it as well. You know, this perfect case where it was America's pastime Nintendo was buying them. And so there was a push of the book goes into the history of the Mariners. So that you could understand why this is actually from Nintendo perspective of very sincere, and helpful thing to do. And so I guess I'm a person to as much as I am a writer, and I just try to write stuff that I find fascinating taken a few years to write these things. So there's plenty of things I find it as long as I could try to weave it into the actual larger narrative, I always try to do that. And that's that's been one of the other most important things that I feel like I've learned from writing these two books over the past eight years was kind of decide of writing stuff that I find interesting and believing other people will find those things interesting too because there are many books like console worship the history of the future. I don't even just mean into video game world. I mean, this sort of narrative nonfiction typically those books are about two hundred three hundred pages about half the size. But I try to write the books that I want to read where you know, in the new book when you're you know, when when when octopus early on his meeting with epic or with valve, or you know, I want to show. What those companies are up to that time and really just sort of create this time capsule element. So that the books will still be fun to read here's from now. And really take you back in time and. Down each of these different rabbit, holes and the downside to doing this. Or I guess it's not really downside. But it's something that I maybe didn't expect going on. It's just how long it takes to accomplish that. The new book the dedication of the front says it's to my wife for sticking by my side as a as a one year project became three. Maybe one year it was a little too optimistic from the publisher. But I I just didn't expect it to take this long part of that too. Was the fact that the main character Palmer lucky got fired in the middle of it. Or he wasn't even quote fired. Facebook said that he left on his own that was whole mess that maybe we'll get into. But, but I also think that that you know, to tell the story is the way I do requires getting to know people for a really long amounts of time. And also just really doing deep dives of research of which is a long way of saying that I wish that I could you know? Just go ahead and write whatever books that you want me to write Christian. 'cause I generally went up probably read the same things that you're interested in. But I've learned that just takes so long for me at least. So maybe I can use sort stories instead. Well at the at the risk of comparing you to Bob Woodward. You kind of do a similar thing to what he does in the in the realm of our hobby. And that is oftentimes you're talking about people who are quite quite alive still still around and in the case of the history of the future, very very recent history, as you mentioned history that's still taking shape, and you are dramatizing scenes of dialogue between people that just by virtue of how the human memory works. Even if you have. Direct. Confirmation of the people that were there that this is how it went down. You can't ever really be sure how what's that process? Like of putting words in the mouth of people who are alive and able to retort is that what is that like well for one thing it's something that I take extremely seriously. And maybe we'll get into this later on because of what happened with Palmer. And just how the book in a way, you're such a critique on on the media, you wrote onto the sunset and everything. But like, I'm just shocked by somebody who has now have the good fortune to know a lot of people who are written about whether it's Palmer lucky or Brenton rebe or Tom Kalinski at sake and all that I'm just shocked by how often journalists write about these people as if they're not actually people, and and and more like it's just part of a reality show. So I guess the first thing I would say if I take it very seriously. I soon that everyone that I'm reading about is going to read this and my objective is not pleased them, but I would like for them to at least in their heart. Heart say, okay that that's accurate. And and it's a good question too about the approach and what it's just like knowing that there's real people out there that I'm reading about. Because like I mentioned earlier Wisconsin worries. I was sort of figuring things out as I went along. It was my first time writing a book, it was my first time really writing any long form prose this time. It was a little bit different. And I know that one of the biggest criticisms with council wars was the dialogue aspect at work. Even just some of the the narrative nonfiction approach, and that was a story that did happen twenty five years ago. So there's a specially, you know, very little with regards to records of what happened. And I think we could assume it's very hard for people to remember to you know. You know to believe that they remember stuff word for word. And I did I definitely wrote dialogue to be more into spirit of how it was described to me. And then I collaborated with them to try to amend it and make it better. But but I did want to. Revise my approach with this book because it was more recent because I believe that people could remember things better and also to some degree because I didn't want to be criticized for something that I felt I was doing responsibly. And so actually initially I was thinking that this book would be much more encyclopedic and try, and, you know, just just the facts, ma'am, sort of thing, then I came to realize that that was really really pathetic. If I did that because I would be doing that just to avoid being criticized, and that would be an insult to the people that I was reading about 'cause that wouldn't properly capture the excitement of this VR revolution. So I decided that silence. I did want to be similar to council wars. But I wanted to at least have parameters in place that that I can better explain my process, and so I kind of having a background in doing a lot of oral histories and documentaries. I wanted to follow that approach here. And so every every line of dialogue in this new book is something that I have verbatim. Audio of the. Ersan saying or if or if someone else that was in the room saying as remember, so there's no like recreation, est dialogue, of course, tear point. It's possible that people are miss remembering things or they don't remember them word for word. But at least wanted to make sure that as with the documentary where someone would be missed remembering something or not work for at least coming from a source, and it wasn't me trying to capture. All right. This was a heated exchange between these two guys arguing about DRAM content. I wanted to actually use the words that they were using to me and the part of that too. Again is not just because I want to cover my own. But, but I also being a an oral historian and documentary filmmaker I do generally tend to find that the way people say things is almost as interesting and revealing as what they actually say. So I wanted to kind of get their verbal tics in there. And and make sure to capture it because I think that's a big part of what my grandmother would find enjoyable that all have such different personalities and. Pump lucky especially as he's like, a, you know, a journalist's dream because he he such an Centric person. And the way he enters things stuffy doesn't say it's super fascinating. And he's head of very had a very interesting past five or six years. Unfortunately, he did night off into the sunset though. Fortunately, he is doing pretty well, though, not innocuous anymore. So after you had completed console wars. Did you know that you wanted to write about Oculus? What did you have an interest in VR as technology? Are you a fan of VR games? What's your what was that transition question? So originally, I was thinking about writing a book about electric arts, which was kind of a knack something I'd covered because I interviewed so many. I'm also I should say like my favorite games to play sports games. So so interviewing people from EA about EA sports stuff. Like my favorite thing to do. Even if it didn't always fully necessarily need to happen for counselors. So that's kind of what I'm sticking in particular. I was very fascinated by the early days of Electronic Arts when you're like, you're like while I'm here since I have I have some thoughts about Matt. Adnan. Yeah. No. And then you know, that was how I always remembered electric arts and what I liked about EA. But then I didn't even really realize as a kid I should say that there was like this whole era before that where it was like this Kennedy computer, make you cry ethos of of Electronic Arts where it was trying to be like this haven for for software artists. And so I was giving really deep into that. And. Trip Hawkins was kind of the center of that co founder or founder, he would definitely say of marks. But I ended up believing that that was a little too similar to council wars. And it also made me realize I won't name names. But there was some tickly personalities from the early days of electric arts. And as I mentioned. These books take me years to write. And I just didn't know if I'd wanna wake up every day and want to deal with quickly. So and that was kind of important information for me because it is a long process, and there is a human element to it. I want I think the more curious I am about something that works. I I'm about something it'll show in the work. And so I didn't wanna pick something that would be a drag. And so I was looking for other topics. I was also sort of seriously considering writing about Rovigo who makes angry birds, and sort of using that as an excuse to delve into mobile gaming and really look at that landscape. And then I remember I was. Talking. I was at I think it was a comic con and twenty four team it might have been three. But I think it was kind of. And I'm sitting with Al Milton and Tom Clint ski who were both at Sega during the council worst era, and they were asking me kind of the same questions as you will what what are you gonna right next? What are you thinking about an I mentioned EA, and like you already kind of did that. And I was like what about Roe v o. I was actually meeting with some rodeo folks there, and they're like, oh, that's cool. But you could do something bigger. And then I said, well, I've been pretty interested in this Oculus thing, and this VR thing, but I think that books take several years to write like it's so early in the process, and they're both looked at each other. Like, oh, you should definitely do that story. So that was a good vote of confidence from two people that have kind of been like role models to me, and who know good storytelling and from there. You know, again, I think that for to do the kind of reading that. I do what you feel like you're in the room or in the minds with these people the access is so critical. So it took me a long time to get the access that I wanted from Oculus who at that point was had already sold the Facebook. So the need to go through Facebook as well. But lo and behold it worked out and starting in February of twenty six teen we've chose to one month before the launch of the Oculus rift CV one the consumer version, I basically was given unlimited and exclusive author access to the founders of Oculus into the employee's Oculus and Facebook working on VR, and then the next year or so when absolutely not how either of us expected did make for an interesting story. And I and I would. Ever based on talent and accomplishments. I would never compare myself to Woodward or Bernstein, those guys are legends. But I did feel like a similar spot as they were to some degree at least with you know, all the president's men in what our research where? No, I set out to write a book with the history of future. That was a fun story about a scrappy company that started in a trailer and two thousand twelve and ended up selling the Facebook and was now doing cool stuff. I never imagined that politics or. You know, alleged trolling or or anything with with with with Trump or any of that stuff would become part of the book. But it did the story went, and you know, sort of learning from people that I'd mired like put burden personally like you'd go where the story takes you not where you want to take the story. And so that's what it became about. And also dealing with Facebook, which is a big company, and they had given me this access, and then they wanted me to not right certain things. I definitely felt out of my element at times. But fortunately, I had a good support system and was able to take everything in stride. And I'm really happy with the final book that came out. You know, I do sort of feel like the final hundred pages the book are different book than the rest of it. But that's okay. I mean, that's how the story went. And and I think that you know. Like, you know, Facebook books. The book starts with Mark Zuckerberg talking to the Oculus team the day in March of two thousand fourteen after they just learned that they were being purchased or being acquired for about three billion dollars. And he's telling them about his vision for a are VR and white he acquired them and the goal to some degree of courses for Facebook to own VR to own the metaverse, whatever you wanna call it. And so I think understanding how Facebook operates and how they treat employees how they treat their employees. How they do. You consumers is really important with regards to what we might expect from them going forward and. Path year has taught us anything. It's that we should worry about Facebook related issues and privacy related concerns. Earlier than later for sure. Now, we can try to stop those things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a rip roaring good read. I highly recommend it. If you're listening history. The future is is fascinating counselors equally. So and it's just it's just a fun yarn. That you spend which is which is really cool and. I I'm curious as we sort of transitioned to the rest of the show. I'm curious having gone through all of that that was three years of research and writing and getting to know these people behind not the entire VR industry, but a large section of it. What do you feel about the quote, unquote, VR revolution? What do you feel about the technology? Are you are you a true believer or do you? You know, what's your what's your take on that? I love that question. I love how you frame it too. In terms of. Like, I tried to be very careful with some of the wording around Oculus in this VR revolution. Because well, I guess tune a second. But but I didn't want there's this idea that VR died in the ninety s and then it was resurrected by Oculus in this revolution. And from a consumer commercial standpoint that is largely true. But there's also people who worked on it for the past twenty five years who never stopped working. There was only a few dozen of them. Let's say, but but you know, I didn't I wanted to make sure that. That even though this book focuses on Oculus that it wasn't like Oculus, invented VR. And that was one of the things that I liked about the cover of the book, which is like a dinosaur tail and I liked the idea this sort of tail end of this whole beef that you don't even really see. But but in terms of my feeling like I remember early on in my writing process, probably in early twenty sixteen or so around the time, I was giving the nexus I was so excited about so much of the VR industry and as a writer, I didn't really know where to focus my efforts. You know, there was Sony was coming out the head said Valdan ACC. And then there was all these companies who were getting money from VC's, and you know, every day on the websites. I would read like, you know, upload VR and wrote DVR so stuff that's clearly focused on the are. There was something new company that's doing some new thing. And for a while. I was trying to chase all of these leads and. Tell a really comprehensive story of the landscape, and then I sort of came to believe that that was a fool's errand that it was going to take years for us to know. What was important? What was not what really moves the needle? And and then also I just I don't think I could predict that. And that the best way to tell the more expansive story was to narrow down the scope of of what my focus was. And I remember talking about the TV show madman. You know, if you were going to tell the story about advertising in the sixties, you could tell a story about ten different companies and toggle between all of them or you could really just focus very closely on one of them. And then through that company see the other companies, or you know, sort of get a sense of errands. So that's what I decided to do with Oculus. And and for good reason, I believe, you know, I think that it remains to be seen whether Oculus or slash Facebook. VR? We'll be successful. I'm excited about Oculus quest. But I also have a lot of concerns about. Facebook and what they're planning to do with the data from VR? But, but I guess my point is regardless of what happens next, I do think that historically Oculus was incredibly imported for reigniting this interest and also just for remembering what their company was all about, you know, one of the key decisions early on that that maybe just sort of seems obvious and retrospect, but it was a big deal to time was Brendan rebe who later became the CEO of Oculus persuading Palmer lucky his co founder to not design a a deaf kit that was going to have to be built like DIY style, and to make something that can be used by more people and the people they should be targeting where not just enthusiasts and not the everyday person but particularly game developers. And so as a result of that approach, you know, what I did between two thousand and twelve and two thousand sixteen was was empower thousands upon thousands of developers and in term, I think we all know that. Where would say that one of the biggest challenges to launching a new medium? It's just creating that ecosystem of content, and so regardless of what happens to Oculus was successful or whether they they don't succeed. You know? I think that what they did for VR medium is historically important. And so I'm glad that I ended up focusing on them. And I think also the fact that most of the founders are not there anymore shows how the company has changed that direction has changed from the very enthusiast. Indie developer driven approach from early on. To your question about like how I feel about the industry going forward. I do consider myself a true believer. And that's part of what makes my relationship and. Belief about what Facebook is doing kind of tough because as VR fan VR lover. I love the Facebook spent a few billion dollars Oculus, I loved they continue to spend billions of dollars to make content choir content, and to push these advances in hardware, then there's the whole other side of Facebook where I am concerned about what they're doing with this information. And I also don't like how they lied to me while I was reporting and how I ended up losing my access. So I'm kind of torn, but I guess that. I do believe that it has passed the sort of tipping point where VR Nevin ably going to find some success. Oh, five lasting success. I should say I hope that it's a mainstream success. I still that remains to be seen. I know some people that that's going to happen inevitably at this point. I don't necessarily agree. I think Facebook were to pull out their investments the industry would really. Fall apart to some degree at least a time. But, but but all this is a long way of saying that I'm I was probably off in how quickly I expected this revolution to happen. But I'm more bullish about it than I ever was seeing what I've seen and seeing the potential VR is and. I I think a lot about like I remember early on when I was talking to my literary manager. I was comparing Oculus in two thousand twelve or twenty twenty seventeen or whatever time period, I was mentioning to apple in the late seventies. Saying that Oculus was to what apple was to personal computers back, then and I see a lot of similarities between the VR revolution. And the PC revolution. Reportedly meaning that it's not like smartphone revolution where smartphones became ubiquitous so quickly into such a high degree. And then I remembered that with with apple apple was the darling of late seventies. And they did so much important stuff for for mainstreaming computers. And but at the same time, my family didn't own a personal computer until like next ninety five so took fifteen years after that. It was a long process is my point. I don't think it's going to take fifteen years. But I do think it's going to be a much longer slower burn than than those of us who are who weren't are excited about probably expected, and I don't think that's going to be bad thing, unless the money runs out always sort of the problem is right. Yeah. And like, honestly like as a fan, I think that it's I still believe in people should invested in Facebook should invest in it. But if I was and it was my own money or money that I was managing. I don't know that I could stomach the investment at this point. So that's where I'm sort of where are you at because I know that you guys are pretty in pretty early on VR and really excited about Jeffrey even mentioned in the book. Yes, thank you for them. Fully complaining. That's how we connected you were rightfully complaining about the Oculus launch lays because they did such a terrible job with their launch. And they're shipping and the customer service. So so yes, so skysufer excited about this for as long or maybe longer than I have what are you guys? Think of the industry right now. I think this is the great irony for me is that as somebody who is vocally so supportive of VR technology in such a lover of that I'm quoted in your book speaking, very negative about it, which is very very ironic for me. But. Yeah. I mean, let's let's be honest. Like, I mean, people will of course, gets it when they read the book, but you were you're a voice complaint about how you had you. You know, there was so much going on that little moment where you were upset because you had ordered it the day had come out, and you were like first in line. So you obviously someone who's very enthusiastic about this. And that you were finding out the actually work to get until months later. I'm leaving not until after it went to retail, which defeated the whole purpose of you being excited in early buyer. And the fact that Oculus didn't really prioritize people like you shows how much the company had changed. Right. Right. That was all the theory behind the scenes going on. No. That's why I really liked choosing you and I quote, yeah. Yeah. No. I appreciate that. And yeah, I mean, they botched that launch is we kind of don't even really remember it. Because those times past and then you have your your thing, and you just move on. But yeah, they really botched that launch. And it was a big deal at the time. And you're right. It was indicative of how much the company had changed. But I'm I'm still bullish on the tech. And I think that I'm hopeful about quest. And I think PlayStation VR is really encouraging and how you know, Mark Cerny has already stated that current PlayStation VR work on the next iteration of PlayStation. I think I think you're right. It is not the flash bang that some of us and -ticipant it being a real paradigm shift for the entire industry. It it didn't have that seachange moment. But I think it is going to be a more gradual change in. I'm still confident that Mike kids are going to think of VR as normal and think of computing the way we have our whole lives as being abnormal because I think there's going to be a point. I think there's going to be a point at which just doesn't make sense to not have that with you all the time and not be able to get inside and experience. So, but yeah, listen. Some of the Nintendo stuff recently. There's a VR mode for superman odyssey and for the we will talk about it. And we will talk about it. We should we should we should move on. I really enjoy hearing your perspective. We don't usually do a whole segment on on our guest. But I'm just it's just fascinating. And you had been inside these experiences to to such a degree and with such depth that it's been fascinating talk to you about it. But. Yeah. It's great. So let's just jump in the show and starts with story of the week. Gets the story of the week. This week. We store the week is the part of the show where we make our case for the most important stories that happened in the world of games this week. You can always submit stories for our consideration by sending us an E mail a deal. See feedback edgy mail dot com or by visiting our sub read it that's five by five deal dot read. It dot com coup folks hanging out there. Blake you our guest. So you get first pick of stories. What would you consider to be your story of the week? To me unsurprisingly, given my background as a console war profiteer. I'm super fascinated with every twist and turn in the whole steam versus epic fake console wars. Very. It's been interesting to see how the epoch store has been making a lot of people upset and a lot of developers. I think pappy in equal measure a lot of players have voiced their frustration with the epic store. Exclusives. That we're seeing on the platform and this week Tim Sweeney came out in said some stuff on Twitter about how if steam pulled back and offered a more beneficial revenue share to developers they said an eighty eight percent revenue share in lieu of their current seventy thirty then epoch would stop doing the exclusive they stopped pursuing exclusives on their platform. He says, quote if steam committed to a permanent eighty percent revenue share for all developers and publishers without major strings attached. Epoch would hastily organize a retreat from exclusives while honoring our partner commitments and consider putting our own games on steam. So he's clearly positioning them as the white knights as the defenders of the developers and trying to. Trying to fight for more money for developers and not such a big share to steam, are you buying that Blake is that's a legitimate thing. Or do you think that's a bit of a spin on Tim Sweeney's part? More more more truth than spend there. I guess before I answer that question. I have a question for for both of you. Which is I joked that I'm sort of consideration. Consider myself a war profiteer from running council wars. And and I know that just in general, I find myself on the side of like competition breeds innovation and sort of capitalism in video games, a good thing. So, but but I also understand that buying consoles expensive. So I try to be sensitive. The fact that not everyone can have a PS Ford XBox? And I don't have both of those though, I totally understand. But I don't really understand. Why people are upset about this? I is it really that big of a deal to have two different PC launchers. And I've heard some things about this security concerns because of epic game source of proven, and maybe that's valid. But like like what why are people so upset there's there's no cost. It's not even like Netflix versus Hulu where you have to be a month a subscriber either of these stories, so I to understand, you know, who's the white Knight. Here I have to I feel like I'm still not grasping with the actual problem. Will I think that on the one? Hand we could all drive ourselves insane. Trying to understand why gamers get upset. I mean, there's there's just one that's one bad. But there is some some legitimate beef about the fact that the EPA game store is a nascent tech. It is not not feature parody not perfectly. Equal on in terms of offering the features that steam does. And when you have people that have years and years invested in two one ecosystem and have friends lists than have achievements and all these things and then an upcoming game is announced and one that they're excited about on. And then that game is not going to be released like metro was not going to be released on the the platform that they are the ecosystem that they've been used to. They get upset. And I think that because the EPA game store doesn't have feature for feature parody with steam. I think that's what people are most upset about. And I think just the concept of exclusives alone riles people up as you know, very very well Christian. What's your take on it? I can only speak personally kind of my misgivings about it. And I think it's creating distinct pools of friends and chats, and to some extent it's a little easier now than it was even five years ago. But knowing where your game is or potential bloat wear that might be associated with these things or knowing exactly what you're downloading, and like, you mentioned about Oculus and Facebook, you know, how much data are they collecting what are they doing with that data and Steve has been around for so long that it's kind of this known entity. And so I think for me of all the things it's just I'm using discord more and more for like, my friends and my chat, and I feel like if there were just one unified game launcher ano- discord has its own game store to and. But it's like knowing who's online where your friends are where they're playing games if I'm playing a game on steam while I see notification that my gamer squad is ready to go and playing fortnight. And so, you know, communicating to jump over there just little things that make it a little less convenient. But I think for so much of gaming and getting a group of people to play together that convenience goes a long way. So to me personally, that's my biggest issue with these is security issue of them and the data issue and then having one central place for my friends, and I all gather and congregate and chat. Even if we're not playing the same Christian. What is your take on? Tim's statement here. I mean, he lays it on a bit thick. There's another tweet where he says, quote, such a move would be a glorious moment in the history of PC gaming, and what have a sweeping impact on other platforms for generations to come. Then stories could go back to just being nice places to buy stuff. Rather than game developer IRS. Yeah. That's pretty heavy handed. I love it in the sense that it is overly dramatic. You know as in Blake's book when Sony announced to the price for the PlayStation. They did it in a few less words. But also with you know. Looking to the dramatics and being aware of the optics of it here. I feel like I'm not sure if I agree with epic would do this. I feel like once you make this concession epic. Then like, well our developers. Now, tell us that they don't want us right review, unless you get rid of whatever what's the next shoe to this is the while you don't negotiate with the kidnappers, and whatever there's always with other. That's my you never gonna go to stores. Yeah. Well, it's also one of the things that I don't mean to pick my own stuff. But but as part of my process for running the history of the future, I was able to obtain over twenty-five thousand documents most than emails, and there's an Email. There was a decision that Oculus where the twenty five thousand emails. If you're listening, if you're listening, please can you find the twenty five thousand emails, so. Mean from Chappaqua New York, which happens to be where a Mrs Clinton presidential candidate lives. So on the Clinton's server. Oh, that's where you got him. Okay. Was a lot of stuff door to find the stuff about video case. Yeah. But you guys, you know, the Russians were able to find those anyway, one of one of my favorite emails was Email that was happening behind the scenes two months before the Oculus launch where they were still deciding how open or closed ecosystem was going to be and Tim Sweeney waited and wrote an Email to Mark Zuckerberg. And he said. A couple of quotes. He said locking Oculus hardware down in any way is incredibly bad idea in rates several steps ahead. You've locked steam valves, block Oculus and all their platforms have formed battle lines. So much is happening in secret that you won't even see the enemy positions until the deeply entrenched enough stupid crap is already happening with Amazon refusing to sell apple TV, apple abortively, fighting and ad blocking war against Google and Microsoft's broken window store that doesn't sell real win those apple apps. Facebook should keep above the fray as a trusted and even-handed player in all ecosystems, then they proceeded to ignore that advice. That's the way of saying that. We should never forget that that Tim is a is a good leader in a good employee and everything he says is what's best is really what's best for epic his job to do that. And it's also his job to actually see the world that way. So I don't know how sincere it is. But I'm also probably more sympathetic to developers than any other part of the industry. Just because I'm a creator myself because I interview a lot of developers. So if there's anything that can get an eight twelve splitter, even eighty twenty or anything like, you know, I do think this is a good move in that direction, though, I'm sort of wearing my bias on the sleeve. So that's kinda where I'm coming from is going to be interesting to see if all this pressure, actually, actually impacts valve and steam, and if they actually can't because they have a valve they just release the pressure, and it comes on the form of steam. And then you just get more steam. Mce that guy's neck, and they're all good. Anyway, it will be fascinating to see. I mean, it seems like for the first time really steam has an actual competitor in this space. And so you know, that could be it could be a big shift for them. Interesting to see if it's actually affecting the bottom line with these exclusives and stuff, so. One more point that you made I probably hadn't considered enough was that was the situation that happened with metro and that sort of being the most. Glaring example of the exclusives. And it wasn't to me when I hear of exclusives. I think oh now my colleagues of my friends that are developers will be able to get money to make things that wouldn't it would be able to make otherwise. But you're right. That was a case where something that was already made or about to be made. And it was just a matter of who would get to play at where. Right. So that was that was a good point that I had not considered fully. Christian. What is your story of the week? I'm going to pass my story to you. Because I know we've been playing a lot of great games. And to be perfectly honest, not a lot interested me this. There's nothing I'm dying to talk about in terms of story of the week. The the epic store was the biggest story in my opinion. But it's something else you'd like to talk about I will pass it. Yeah. We don't have to spend time. I know we we're later than we normally are in this segment. But I just I don't know if you guys got a chance to read this. What was I think they called it? A cover story on polygon written by film critic hook about red dead redemption to at the risk of you know, redrafting up all of this just you talking about things that talk about you. I am quoted in this as well. Yes, I. Because of that again in a way that I don't think is particularly positive. If you're such a Downer on the I don't understand cure all three times, I say negative people. Like, let's hating. But I've been a fan of film critic hulk for a long time, I know that people who write under pseudonyms sometimes you don't want to completely three away behind 'cause you don't it's like, why are you writing under a student NYU and film critic started as kind of a stick of writing in all caps that was very abrasive. But he has proven to be. I think one of the most interesting writers on in both film and video games for me. And I've enjoyed his writing for a long time Efan Twitter. I find his tweets, very, informative and interesting. And I think this president company notwithstanding. I think this really you could call it a dissertation. It's not really an article. It has a table of contents at the beginning. It's very long. I'm not joking. I'm not making that up is it has a table of contents. And it is it is a dissertation links treatise on red dead redemption to and it's many flaws and triumphs. And I think that it is. Really one of the finest pieces of video game writing I've ever read one of the most one of the finest pieces of criticism on any medium. I've I've ever read and not because I agree with so much of it. There's a lot in there that I disagree with too. But I do he does avoid a lot of things I felt about red dead redemption to in says the much more eloquently than I. But I find it fascinating. I mean, he it is a really interesting piece that I highly highly recommend everybody listening to read, and again, it's very long, but very worth your time. And it's full it's like a fully multimedia work to he has video pieces that he has from other people that help illustrate points that he's making or that he references, and then embeds the video there, and yes, hyper links to other articles that fully illustrate what he's talking about. It is really dense. And really so interesting, and he breaks down red dead redemption do in a in a in an amazing way talks about how it fails on many many levels, but really talks about it from a design perspective and white design is important, and then breaks down the story in great detail. And from a critical eye of what makes great story, and he finds a lot to like in it. But all an ultimately, I think comes to the conclusion that he likes the game. But that it fails fundamentally on. So many levels. And there are a bunch of quotes that I could read I don't I mean, there's a lot here, but one of my favorites, and it's one of the questions that I constantly was act asked in my criticism of the game. And again, I didn't finish it. He played over one hundred hours in order to write this. And I I played a small fraction of that. In order to understand. Hey, I'm not gonna enjoy this. I'm not going to have a good time at this game. But one of the things I constantly was saying is this feeling of fun. And I got a lot of criticism from listeners saying, well, hey, that's not the metric that this game is working under. And if you're expecting it to give you fun, then that's a pretty simplistic expectation. He says this is a quote from film critic honky says polygons own Chris Plante asked me the single best question about the heart of the experience. I had playing red dead redemption to when we were discussing these issues. Does it need to be fun? The developers behind. Red redemption to may say they want a player to slow down and get into the natural rhythm of hunting deer and exploring the prairie. But the game includes endless obstructions and obfuscations from keeping me from savoring any of it all the moments of joy in red Denver to are. So damn fleeting. He talks about how no ultimately, no, you don't have to have fun. But if you don't have fun the other stuff, you have to provide has to be way way better than what they do. They basically let the player down at every level, and my favorite stuff that he talks about is how in the pursuit of realism, quote, unquote, realism and immersion that they couldn't misunderstand. What that even is. He says the illusion of realism is a Chievo when games match our expectations and move at the speed of our intentions, the most real. Realistic way for me to check a drawer and a game is to quickly. See what's incited decide if I wanted and then either take the items or leave them as quickly as possible. That's what we do when we look into a drawer in real life. We don't break the task down into dozens of small movements or actions. We just look into the drawer. This is how the game should approach the same tasks ease of functionality is much more immersive than a series of button presses and animations that mimic the real thing, adding more button presses and steps to basic tasks takes me out of the game. In fact, because it makes me impatient. As I'm forced to f- with something that should be moving as quickly as my brain. And then he's so perfectly sums up. What I felt and couldn't articulate when I was criticizing the game. Is yet. It's amazing that they animated every single little detail of that game world that when I'm looting a body literally bends over and looks in the suit jacket, and it takes time. And when I'm searching through a drawer opening. Drawer and search. But what I'm doing that in real life? Any of those things. I mean, I've never looted a body in real life. But I assume if I was I would not be sitting there watching my arm. Do the thing I wouldn't be watching the animation. That's not more realistic. It's actually less realistic. Because what I'm actually doing this quick thing that really is more is better articulated by a menu system of just like this is what's in it. Do you want to know? Okay. Move on. So I found that all very fascinating. And I'm so interested what you guys think about this like. No, I agree with you. It was something. I don't think I considered enough. But playing the game is a great piece of criticism, and I'll get to that in a moment. But obviously, we think that, you know, whether something is fun or not I think that's one of the most important if not the most important criteria of most forms of entertainment, but the point of if it doesn't have that has definitely Elson phrase. I was to give does this sweep you away. And I was thinking of like, I remember making this comparison a lot in college. But like, the Washington movie hotel Rwanda, it's obviously a great movie, but it's not one that I was like Saif to watch. But when I did watch it. It did swing me away. No, it's not like, hey, choose between ventures or hotel want probably going to choose ventures. But I do think it's important to watch for one and not just because the information there's important, but actually is a well done movie. And it does sweep you away. And the other thing that I thought reading this article just as a piece of criticism is just something that makes. You think about games? Designers games, you're talking about the design elements. You know, I guess I was thinking of going back to college. Again. There's that book elements the elements of style by William shrunken, e b white which a lot of writers read and reread because it just sort of teaches you or just sort of reminds you how to pare down your writing to write smoother crisper things to get rid of excess. And I remember professor telling me that that he reads it every few years that I would probably wanna read it for years. And and I do feel like reading that every once in a while it does help me, and and I felt that way to just about craft in general whether it's writing or game designing with this article. You know, the first section talks about a book called the design of everyday things, which I have not read. And then the second one was about a food critic Jonathan gold mini goals, and it was like rally, and that's recently. But it was great. Yeah. And he, and it was this question of the only question is why why is that there, and like, you know, going back to Seattle. Mariner's? I've been just include the history of the marriage because I thought now's a good excuse to tell an interesting story about the Mariners. It was because it served the purpose. I had hoped of, you know, give further garnering intenders perspective. And basically, I think these are the questions that I would want game designers to be asking themselves, and maybe they'll come up with creative ways around that. But I did I did really think this was a beautiful piece of writing and something that anyone who's involved at any craft will public joy just as a piece of criticism to help sharpen their own work. Yeah. Yeah. Alternately? I think the position he comes to is that he after one hundred hours of playing the game feels that red redemption to was trying to convey, the feeling of futility that this this old cowboy who is about to be you, sir, that that the cowboy as an American icon was about to sort of sunset, and this man was about to send like this. There's all this futility. And no matter what he did. He couldn't do anything about it. And his ultimate thesis statement. I think he says I questioned the point of futility simulator of all the emotions to experience through gaming, including shock terror, affinity joy. And love futility is the one I definitely get enough in real life. It's not even an emotion. Really? It's an obstruction to one. And it says I understand that. There are some people who enjoyed this this experience wholeheartedly, but I think there's a reason so many others joked. About whether this game would make us all fill out our tax returns to I don't understand. Why rockstar wants to make a game this long about futility? Let alone one that can't engage with the topic. In a meaningful way. There's a big difference between games that teach you patients, and those that demand it man what a perfectly summed up sentiment Christian. I know you have been much more positive on red deduction to although you didn't finish it either. Did you get a chance to read this article in whole I believe I texted you about the article you did you texted me? You're like, hey, you're in it which out. Yeah. That's true. I don't have much s reader for win. Jeff's mentioned and it. They don't have one of those Google alerts setup for my name. Actually, that's true. I do. So we'll one quickly Blake at this book to the list. I'd like you to write rockstar. I don't know how you get access there. But that's that's one too fast year. You're thirty four. I think for the number of books I've assigned you. To I I like them quick I loved his writing for a lot on birth movies birth movies death was at the order wrong that one that website and his tweets are great. I really like his analysis to me all I would add to this lengthy article is just in there and places. But like, here's why I didn't find red dead to fun. And a lot of reasons to explain it like because this isn't the type of argument, in my opinion, you win he did not like it. And he gives great reasons for why it is research, but it's whether or not you find this fun, and I found it fun. And I can talk about why I think it's fun, and I have friends who found it, very fun. And why they find it very fun. What did you find Christian? Devil's advocate weight because I enjoyed it for a first a lot. I'm just curious what you sound very fun about the sense of place in being in the lowering myself to slow down in experience, it that mixed with the ability to ride into town and have my own just like see what happens moments where I set up all this these horrible possible scenarios, and then I ride into town mask up guns out. And I let this scenario that I've built up over the course of sometimes five ten hours right in terms of my bounty being high enough in an area and doing enough criminal activity in an area to the enroll in there and see what I've set up and then contrast that with playing at a safe as I can and trying to be the good guy and being right doing right by people in experiencing these moments as a someone who would maybe live that world, and it wasn't a role playing game for me as much as it was an Arthur Morgan simulator. And I think there's something very interesting that I found very enjoyable to that style of gameplay versus the sky ram. You know, our fallout approach of I'm putting myself into this world. It was me being someone else, and it was transformative in that regard. And I found that very fun and engaging. Well, I think his point in one that I really agree with is that you have to work really hard to even achieve that. And the game gets in the way to achieve that add to and you had, but I think putting that another people is is the competition that we've had in the past Jeff, I think about like in your opinion. And that's of course, of course, this is all opinion. But, but I think that he makes really I think strong arguments about how if the game wanted to provide you that experience that we experienced that you enjoy most out of it, it it really gets in its own way in giving that to you and. The design of the game. He does this great thing where he talks about. How you have people. Who are like? Yeah. There's this door in our house. You have to jiggle it, and you have to do it a certain way, jiggle it, and then you you open it and then. He talks about how people will do. These extraordinary things where they will adapt to the thing rather than making the thing adapted to them. They will you put the key in the lock. But the key you have to move it. And you can't put it all the way in you have to replace the lock man, it, you know, that you shouldn't have to adapt to it in order to get the thing you want, and I was from minded of people. I've known who who have the, you know, the smoke alarm alerts that you have low batteries going off for like years of their life. I knew a guy who literally would just go off. How do you live like you can ignore it after a while like put you shouldn't have to do shouldn't have to? And I think that's his point is that there's so much in this game that just baffles him. And and me, I will agree. I'm in that camp that that the game and it and he makes. Great point that it'd becomes this badge of honor for people that put up with it. I'm not saying this is your position Christian. But. It's a very wide ranging article is one that challenged my thinking about games and thinking about design and the ways in which his argument is that there is this sentiment in the hardcore, quote, unquote, hardcore gaming community that things that are. That ostracize the mainstream that that that are impediments for you to appreciate thing, if they are able to transcend, it they like the fact that other people aren't and that bad design is oftentimes heralded as a positive because it keeps this quote, unquote, Casuals out, you know, and it's a fascinating position as a fascinating way to think about it that that shouldn't be the case if you wanna create a inexperience there are ways to do that much more easily and much with much less friction. But anyway, it again, you I'm not trying to tell you that you are appreciation and enjoyment. It of and in redemption to is wrong. I'm just saying that I think a an analysis of all the things that this game. Does it just baffling bizarre way is fascinating. And kind of bolsters my opinion that it is. I think lauded disproportionately because of the things that it does do in the the production value that it does them with. But ultimately, it is a deeply deeply flawed work in my opinion. So I feel like you just want getting I think you had your avengers tweet go out you had your spoiler free. Avengers video go out you had the dungeon run premier all the stuff that people loved and you're dismissing getting crap in your Twitter mentioned. So you want to know this up again. Definitely don't need the backlash that I went down to get. But at least I'm not getting what he's getting. I thought it was an amazing article. And I went up highlight to people, but it was a slow news week. And I found this article to be. Just fascinating reading. So I urge people to check it out. Okay. 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I'm just talk about the games that we have been playing like, I know you've been busy promoting a new book. But what have you been playing lately? Well, I've been busy. Being humbled. Speaking of games that people wear as badge of honor for their difficulty been playing some Cup. Head on my switch with. He extremely opposite end version of the other game. I was playing with the new super. Mario brothers Dame. Though, the old we you game, which is incredibly easy, but also very fun. But it was just making me think what I was playing like, wow. I have I stuck at ninety nine lives. You can't get more than ninety nine lives. I remember playing one when I was like seven years old and how hard it was to just make it for more than like five minutes playing this game. But anyway, yeah. So you would say you have ninety nine lives, but a switch ain't one. Oh boy. How about a Cup had is one company? So you like playing those playing those games concurrently like switching back and forth and going Cup coupla need a break. Let's let's make myself feel good and place you so Mario brothers. Yeah. I currently, and it's interesting because what I love about both games is sort of that like genocide quad that that is always there in a lot of platformer where it's just fun to move the characters and to. To to be there. And I think that is kind of what? What's what I like most about red Denver temp like you can make the point that everything was maybe more difficult that needs to be certain things wherever I just did like the sense of place, and I did like being there and move something just felt like it worked to me. And both of these top head mayor of others are excellent examples of that though, certainly on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to. He's a play right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, are you do you get discouraged playing Cup hat or you enjoy that challenge because there's a game. I kind of stayed away from just because I didn't want to really want to do that to myself. I'm enjoying it. I mean, I think that probably my emotional professional state has a has a big bearing on that. Like if I'm struggling with a chapter for a few days. I'd probably don't want to be playing. But now. Mostly promoting the book and talking about the book and feel like my shoulders. Can shrug a little bit. Now is better. You know? There's a reason why wait until now. Well, I guess that's not true because just came out with switch. But there's reason why I try to play on other platforms before that. And you said, you're a sports games. Is there a sports game? You're you're playing now NBA season NBA playoff season. So yeah, I'm playing. Yeah. You could call it playing NBA two K nineteen on my switch. That's like the one that. I played a lot. I played to k- and into canine team. That's what I played a lot while I was reading a book that was like my end of the night try to transition for be amped up to two slowing down because that's just easy and fun. And I really are those games those games sort of you look at them with a critical eye or is it just the next one. The next year. We got all ready, or is there something you expect out of the next iteration of the two K franchise is a good question. For me. No. And that's probably because I look at it. As so much of just an escape, and I tried so many other aspects of life. I'm more critical with with gaming. I'm also I think going back to what I liked so much as a kid about EA sports and just sports games in general was like the sim aspects of the chance to like, I love the sports games had the actual player names or the numbers, and like I've always been a fan of like Voster building and trading and that kind of construction stuff. So to me just having like the rookies in the game is enough to be like, oh now I can play as Luca Danni and all the stuff that really. It's just one zero is probably comparable to some other players that I can only other game. But to me like that is a big part of the fun for me. So I can look at it not to critically and just excited to have more were games. You know, more more teams more throwback teams to play with. Right. Christian. This might be a good time for us to mention since we're talking about the NBA that are a little friendly wager is upon us once again as our two favorite NBA teams are clashing once again in the playoffs. Yeah. I can't believe the NBA finals are already this. Really happening. But yes, we have a wager and the rockets warriors series where the winner will buy the loser lunch, and then also donate one hundred bucks to my Saint Jude play live charity fundraising effort, and so I look forward to the refs deciding that should lose. Didn't have in this week this night. I should say we recording just after the the warriors one game one. So it was a crazy end in that game. But yeah, I'm excited. I think it's a win win know it's I definitely want to win. But it's a win win either way because we're both going to be supporting a charity. And speaking of switch games Christian. After you sent me a link to a polygon article, I refrained from sending you to polygon article. I read it. Did you read it out on switch? Yeah. Mortal combat eleven you're playing on switch. It got ripped on at least on the Pali on article. I saw I don't know. I read that are I think it's the same article. And I don't know if that article really ripped it or not or as much as it kind of pointed out some of the inherent flaws of a said Haitians a switch. It said do not buy this on switch. Is it if you care about this game at all and you own any any other concept? It's not your paraphrase as a phrasing accurately. Here's let me I'll answer L address this situation. I and I'll talk about my feelings about the game. So it has the game itself has multiple modes that require an online connection the towers of time. I think all of the towers may be I think the crypt mode even a it's a lot a lot of it requires an online connection. And so if you think of the switch as the thing that you're gonna be playing on the bus or on a plane or somewhere where you don't have WI fi or internet, then a lot of the game. I think pretty much except for story mode. And maybe you dislike practice like versus mode against AI is that's all you can play. Right. Everything else is locked because required internet connection. So in that regard. Yeah. There's no reason to suffer the graphical downgrades of the switch version if those things block you from playing it, but if. Most the places you play your switch have WI fi hotel rooms green rooms your office. Then it's it's great to have it on a system where you can easily as you're waiting for something to render or waiting to get something from somebody else you can pick it up because it has sleep mode where you can put it down in the middle of anything except for an online game against somebody else. You can play for five or ten minutes. Then it's amazing on switch. So I understand the polygon article on the limitations that kind of brought up. Seemed like the biggest gripe was talking about when you're in the crypt. You know? There's a lot of nice visual Easter eggs that are in the big versions of the game that aren't in this version because of Turok level fog. It obstructs a lot of the cool vistas and stuff like that. You would Cheever silent hill one. Yeah. Yeah. So I understand it. But I also someone who made the decision early on to get the game on switch. I cannot recommend it. I'll switch enough like if you want the best graphics. You know, the best Crispus sharpest version of this game. I would say Xbox One. X is the way to go PC and Warner Brothers and nothing nother imports have been problematic in the past. And I haven't read enough about this one. But if history or to serve me as any indicator, I would recommend it on Xbox One x, but as someone who has spoken fondly on this show of, you know, the days where I didn't mind NBA jam on. My Genesis not being the exact arcade experience because I was able to play NBA jam at home. Like those trade offs were worth it. Then the same thing is true here of mortal Kombat eleven on switch. Yes. It's not the exact same version as the big consoles, but I played through the story mode on planes. I played through internet stuff and did some. On the towers when I was in a hotel room when I was in Memphis visiting Saint Jude did you mouse, did you play it in a house? I played it in bed. Did you play here or there? Did you play? All of the above. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And so while it takes graphical hits, certainly the biggest I think in my opinion are when it goes into fatal blows are like the bone breaking moves mid match like, it seems like maybe the lighting shifts. So it's like those look the most agreed to me, or it's like the hair and stuff stands out more when it really slows down to zoom in on a character. But otherwise the game stays locked at sixty frames per second during the fighting. It's the whole game and the trade offs of all of those those graphical things are totally worth it for me to have mortal combat eleven in my hand whenever I want it. So if I am on a bus or a plane or a train or somewhere without WI fi. I can't go in and, you know, just get some lab time and work on my combos. And and get my timing better for when I'm at home playing by myself for playing against someone online and you're playing almost exclusively with the pro controller on the switch. Right. It's been a mixed bag. And fourth and I've found that the joy cons, attach, not one joy con sideways. Singly never play like that. You know, the joy cons and hand-held mode. It's very serviceable is at the most glowing review. I don't know what I think I know it's not review a plowing through I plowed through the story mode like that for a good chunk of it. You don't find yourself missing moves. You wanna do? Correct. Correct. I'm not I'm not hampered by. And I'm just blown away by the fact that I'm playing it on switch. So I think again, yes, it's not the best version of the game. But for me in where I often play my switch, and especially since I was literally out of town the week with game came out, no regrets, no regrets. What I do want to talk about more of those just the game itself. If we could not focus on the console on playing it on. I saw. Owes you. No, let's talk about it. It's incredible. Yeah. It's real good. It's also really fun to have gone just whenever the ninja turtles came out and injustice to which was maybe a year ago the difference in feel between these two games that are otherwise very similar right in terms of approach team visually. If you look at them see someone playing them, but mortal combat eleven every character seems to have so much more weight behind them. And it's a slower more deliberate fighter in my opinion than injustice where things could get very fast very quickly. And it was really interesting for me to go back to come at eleven after spending so much time with injustice to and make that that shift. So the core fighting I think is again, not as a I'm not a pro, right? But is is really strong, really cool. The tweaks made to the game play from both injustice, and from mortal Kombat, ten also I should note I played mortal combat nine on my Vida. So like you. You know where I'm coming from. I like can't help. It's it's really interesting how they tweak things I think fatal blows are fascinating in the sense that you only get one per match. So it's you know, if you use it early, you don't have the, you know, your competitor is going to have their next match. And then the third match there you go you got to win. I think it's a really nice ad. And I know they're working on it. The other thing I wanted to talk about was just the the. Play forever as the plight way. I guess I'll put it of the tower talk trials of tower of times times of Taras, whatever they're called. Hey, what's up to? Time yet play the PLO bumper. This game in my opinion. And many of the critiques have read about it that I agree with. And I know they patched it. Some it is a grind man it to get. Visit have to be though. Like, no, yeah, I'm not saying did they may have to make it that way. But is it a grind? It's just one mode. That's grind. Right. It's there's lots to do in the game. That isn't a grind, right? The biggest thing there's going to get all the terms wrong. I should have refreshed. It. Brought the game in here with me because I could've on my switch. The main felt to me the main kind of continued progression. And Mike the kind of the multi verse Justice to we're most of your unlocks are gonna come from, and your customization and your keys or tokens for the crypt and stuff like that. It felt to me as if the game moved me toward the time towers, and I believe there are classic towers as well, man, I should have looked this up. But feel that's where the game kind of pushes you to get these unlocks and get the perks in the rewards. And I think it's a double edged sword and again, patched changing some and maybe being changed more another another. I'm came very quickly. After these critiques came out said we're working on an update on update, which is kind of like kudos. But also kind of like you knew. It's to me a Wwj sort of like, very difficult. Some of these matches are very difficult. Maybe I was playing on a joy con, but very difficult, and then the rewards didn't feel meaningful enough. So it's like it's one thing if it's really hard. But then you get there, and it's making this up. But it's pick the best thing. You know? Here's all the best things. Go go pick it, and you can get that. And that's incredible. It is a different thing to be like do a thing to what Jeff's opinion of redemption to write like just to. It's no longer fun. But you need to do it to do it. Do it. Then you do it. And they're like, congratulations. Here's a feather inject. When I do at the feather, and they're like nothing. You know, I'm again making up that example. But that's what it feels like. And so it's doubly frustrating where the AI health or the way it limits you and what you're allowed to do. And then the thing that gives you at the end. But also you need to keep doing those things to eventually get the good things. And it's not like hanging there. Kitty cat, if you do this one hundred times one hundred first time, you get the good thing. So it's not even laid out or at least not in a way that I saw laid out for you that way either. And so it's this. Yes, this is supposed to be the forever part of the game. But in my opinion, the way the multi verse handled it an injustice to is a little more. I felt like I was always getting something cool kind of like Diablo or the best Luder shooters. Right. It's that balance of yes, I'm playing the same mission over and over and over again, I'm grinding for loot. But it needs to be a little more judicious in how it dulls it out. I guess in a little less frustrating. What I need to do to get it. But also I love this game. It's real good red sky. The chat says the chests are randomized now, so they're working on it. And hopefully, it continues to get better. But. I I love it with my whole heart. And the facial animations are incredible. There's. Kotal Kahn is reminds me of brainiac and injustice to where it looks like a person with green makeup on. Yeah. Just like just absolutely incredible. I really was a person with green makeup on. We'd be like that's some cheesy. But the fact that it's CG person that looks like a person with green make and we're like, that's amazing. Now, my two last kind of comments on it one. I find Ronda Rousey Rousey, round arouses performance to be lacklustre like her, especially compared to some of the other voice talent in the game. That seemed to knock it out of the park. I also find some for old tweets and statements problematic, and I don't think mortal Kombat needed her by any stretch like they're not she's not on the box. You know, they're not selling it with her. So it seems like a weird match up to me for someone who doesn't knock it out of the park. And then to the game story mode. And this sounds like another realm has continued to do. Oh my sandwich. Chest contents are not random only their positions. Again, the games. Figuring it out. But mortal combat another realm the story, they tell is incredible. And it's such a little thing. I mean, I'm sure it's a lot of work. But basically the game it'd be the same game that I'm playing if I was just moving up, a, you know, the way you did in the old arcade game maybe change to I played ash from time to time. But I would just be like here's rate in versus Sonia rate in versus Johnny rate in verses Xiaokang and Okon house would have been. Yeah. Perfectly acceptable. India? What I'm doing would be exactly the same. But the way they tell this really cool fund campy beautifully animated story. I think makes it so much more engaging. And I think it's something that more games should look to do where it's still justified in game or sports games. Did to kind of like what, you know Blake talked about with NBA two K the way they tell a story now of like her fearful like this young buck coming up to me really crystallized playing mortal Kombat eleven of like, oh, yeah, I'm just planning arcade mode. This wonderful story of I love it so much more. And I don't mind that I have to play. It's Jack's for five fights, even though I've never picked jacks because he's too slow for me. But now, I'm like, yeah. What is Jackson too? It's phenomenal. There's a really wonderful section in that film critic hulk article about this very thing in the idea of what story does for contextualising a game. And how people are wrong in his opinion. People are wrong when they say cut scenes are bad way to tell a story in a video game in. It's it's fascinating. I think this is proof of that. If you have some investment either in curiosity or emotionally or whatever it is. That story brings it makes everything better it makes everything better. Yeah. So yeah, super cool. I know you're also been playing that fortnight because some avengers assembled in it I dove back in. I'm so glad that I have back in an earnest after the black. Widow skin was no longer for sale because otherwise I would have bought it for a adventures in game mode. It's really cool. You start off as either team Thanos Thanos or team. Regular folk. And if your team Thanos, you're trying to collect the affinity stones. And if your regular folk there are avengers weapons on the map that you can collect you trying to prevent them from getting the Infinity stones and to me this really crystallized in my mind was how battle royale one really is just a mode. Not only is it just a mode in any game now, but it's just a mode in fortnight where and what fortnight has done is bigger than just being about Arale mode cause for all intents and purposes, I was just playing king of the hill. Right. It's like, the stones sponsor and part of the map, and you go to that area. And that's where you do get out. And that's where you fight. But it has that with the building mechanic in a circle, and like the other things that was kind of introduced, but just the core game play mechanics of that game are so strong that playing a game mode that otherwise traditionally haven't been interested in and also the IP helped but a game with it. I'm usually not that interested in other. Shooters done in the fortnight universe felt really strong and really appealing because so much of the rest of the game felt familiar to me. I think is a testament to fortnight's dang power. And also who would have ever thought that you could have the most successful shooter of all time with one map. Changed it a lot. But it's I mean, imagine call of duty launching ten years ago. And like, here's our map and they've done it. And they keep doing it. Well, if you haven't checked it out, I recommend diving into four-night avengers the end game content. It is you know, squad to two teams Thanos or regular folk, I guess avengers. But it's cool. And it's fun is the fun to cap shield flying around in game and stuff like that. And the powers, and it's twelve on cool that you Ari that you say it the enemies the regular Chautari are the team than regular folk. And then one person gets to become fantas it's real well done. Cool. I have been playing some days gone on the PlayStation four, although not as much as I probably would have an another week. I launched the DD lively show that I am the dungeon master four called dungeon run this week on Wednesday. And I also might my daughter's first birthday. So we have like family intense still have family in this very moment. There's. Really a party in my house in the other room where I am not right now. So you may have heard some things weird things over the course of the show. Anyway, that is just to say that I have not played as much as gone as I would have liked to have played. But I do have some thoughts about it. It is it is an interesting game. It's one of those games where if it had come out five years ago, maybe more. Everybody would be going crazy. It's amazing like ways as amazing, but not so much anymore. You know, and I think there's a lot of reasons for that one of them is. I'm I personally I'm not super excited about playing the end of the world. Again, it just we just I'm just a little fatigued on the end of the world had any of those things at the internet is quoting all the time. Like, I just got my copy. I haven't fired it up yet at all. But like some of the quotes are they better in context. Or are they still doing writing is a little clunky? There's some heavy handed stuff. It is a very violent game right away. It is very harsh. It is just you know, I've spoken about this before on the show that, you know, just in the last couple years, I've just lost my blood lust for being in a harsh harsh dystopia and health scape. Where I have to murder to survive is just those games used to bore. Well, got a war. I wouldn't got a fantasy world of. I don't know. So the realism, maybe, you know, murdering human beings. I mean, there's a lot of zombies in this game to calm zombies. But zombies again also little little fatigued on. Black as we're older or like, maybe people still feel the same way. Or we just tired of. That's a good question open. I think this is a very good question. I think maybe this is a very personal observation. I don't think the game's fault other than the fact that there are a lot of other games that do the same thing. It does. And interestingly, I think it's a game that borrows a lot from rockstar games. You know, talking about a dead and rockstar in the critiques of rockstar and the sort of stubbornness of rockstar did not evolve in certain areas of their game play style. I think this game day's gone. It borrows a lot is in that has that DNA a little bit. It has the things that I hate of your in this bid open world and their stuff happening. And here you're on a mission. Oh, did you wander off the path to long game mission over you lost a game over I hate that one of the things I loved so much about assassin's creed odyssey. For example, is your I mean the mission, and I have to do a thing. But they don't care how I do it. They don't care where I go while I'm doing it. They don't care if I leap off this mount the back of this mountain and do a flip as I fly down at to try to get away from the thing and then circle around and reenact from me. They don't care. They let me do. However, I want because it's a big open world. And and I kind of feel like anytime game is like you're going too far away from the mission. There's gotta be a better way to handle that. And I understand if you're trying to tell a story, and it doesn't make sense in the story that you're gonna chase. And you decide not to go in the chase. Like, there's gotta be. That's gotta be a difficult thing to reconcile in a an. Narrative game that wants to give you choice and wants to give you an open rural coming coming right after the right behind us. God this guy Bostick are following just got an a boat. Yeah. He's still making peaceful. He's harvesting plants for some reason. Yeah. But there has to be ways to deal with that. Aren't you going? You're you're going too far too into far away and again emission over. Because it's just it's just there's nothing fun about that. And it's frustrating very frustrating to me. And there's a lot of other weird design decisions in this game. I mean, I was thinking about days gone a lot as I was reading this red dead article. Because for some reason they are so in love with his motorcycle. I've never been a motorcycle guy. So I don't get it. Maybe maybe I just don't get it. Maybe people who clearly people who ride motorcycles love motorcycles. And the character that you're playing it Deakin, I guess his name is in in days, gone loves his motorcycle. And there's a lot of the game. That's about the motorcycle. And there's there's something cool about the motorcycle for sure. And the way the motorcycle controls is very different. It doesn't just feel like any other car doesn't feel like a horse motorcycle kudos to them for doing that. But man you. Have to babysit this thing, and you have to find Puckett's for it and gasoline for it. And if you don't oh heaven help you because you're gonna be walking that thing, and it's agonizingly slow. And it's it's like, I don't care enough about this motorcycle. Can I just leave it? I don't I understand. We're in the still Ian post apocalypse where motorcycle is the key to survival. And you gotta have a motorcycle because you got out run the hordes zombies. But I don't I was like I'd rather be eaten by the deal with the stupid motorcycle. Choice between zombies a motorcycle. I'm big zombies. Anyway. So there's a lot to like about it. It's a really big beautiful game as some of the the ability to improvise on the fly in dealing with bad guys. And all that kind of cool weapons you get and scenarios. You know, there's a lot of cool stuff. But there's a lot of monotony. And there's a lot of the sort of the worst aspects of open world games that frustrate me. So it's not a home run in the way that Spiderman was or some of the other Sony Open world exclusives. That we've been sort of used to just them being home runs every time. This doesn't feel like that. And I feel bad saying it because it's a new IP, and it's a big bombastic world than I was excited for as they talked about it. It just I don't know the it's not a place I like being in. It's not a guy. I like hanging out with I'm not fan of his motorcycle. And. I'm having a hard time. It was a tesla. Yeah. Solar stations plug, you know, now we're talking about. Now, we're talking and it's not zombies. It's just people in L A that annoy me I like it. I'm not murdering them so much avoiding them and driving through traffic through them. Oh, wait. That's my life. All right. So what we're kind of running up on it. I want to talk a little bit about lab Lovie are especially 'cause Blake's here. So let's do a little bit of your talk. So before I go off on my own little rant Blake. Are. You do you own an Oculus or do you own any VR headset? Are you are you that much into it? Oh, yeah. I mean, I worked on the book for three and a half years in those were all business expenses. There you go right there you go. Yeah. But but but as I was sort of starting to mention a while back, but it's good to hold off. Until now was that. I love what Nintendo is doing. Because it's kind of what I thought this was going to do that. They should have been doing in particular with the VR MOS for mariota, see and for Selbe. One of the internal struggles that you see a little bit in the book is this idea of some of Oculus leadership thinking that if something is available for the rift, it should be exclusively made for the ground up for VR. And then there was other people like John Carr MAC who believe that, you know, existing IP just talking about is like such an important thing and basically getting VR mode of existing games or existing IP is a great way to get people into VR. And so I like that. That's what Nintendo has done. I would like to see a little bigger investment from them at some point the art because I think that ultimately IP, and like we were saying with red dead redemption just wanting to be somewhere, it's a big thing. And I want to be in the mushroom kingdom and VR. Like, that's such a big part of it. But I like I'll take these baby steps, and like the fun and joy that they sort of the way they've made it like a crafts project to getting us there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sympathetic to both of those notions. Because I appreciate that. The Oculus ecosystem has stuff that's built from the ground up for VR. I mean, there's a lot of range of quality in the Oculus store for sure I'm not not everything is cultivated to be perfect or grace even. But, but the, but there are a lot of things that everything works for VR's meant for VR thinks about VR. But also, you know, I think it's cool that there's a fallout in VR that there's a there's a skyer him in VR. I think that's awesome. And yeah, I was so excited to give a Zelda and Mario which have you tried the lab VR Blake. Though. I haven't tried it. Well, so anything as I mentioned this week. I had family in town for my daughter's first birthday in one of the one of the people is in town is my nine year old nephew. And I thought this is going to be a great I'll go ago spring for the lab of ER. We'll build it together. We'll play around with it. And that's exactly what we did. And I have to be honest. It's actually the I lab oh, anything I've built and the process of building the cardboard is great. I don't know if we've even really talked about it on the show before Christian have we we had anybody else that talked about doing Lavaux. But man, it is a it is so well done it made me go. I wish LEGO would steal this from Nintendo because what happens is you open the box. You pull out the cardboard bits in sheets of uncut is this your first lab. Oh, bill. I just said that you did you off to somebody else? But no. But you said you've done the other Lavaux. I don't think. No. I. I've ever done the, oh, I've I've used the built lab os that people had but I didn't build the lab. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. I totally missed that. Okay. Yes. It's incredible. It's so great. It's so great. It is. Like, I said, I want LEGO to steal it. Because you just you just push the plot the cartridge into your switch, and it steps to the process and throat, it, you can rotate the model, you know, we've all had the experience of building LEGO and following on that book, and there's a joy in following along that book, but it's often like what piece of they putting in. I can't quite see. If you could physically rotated around, and it's got this fast forward and reruns. It's really just so slick, and I want LEGO to have an app that does that because that would be right or if they do online, I want it. No, I wouldn't know either quite on us. But it you don't get a link to anything when you buy a LEGO set, right? I built some recently, and I have not. I mean, the the books are classic. And I love them. And there's a software space in my heart for like hunching over that little shiny Buluk. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway, that's I'm bearing the lead here. So we built it. And we you know, I plopped my my switch into the headset. It's pretty amazing a little headset. And we played some of the VR mini games, which are fun. Slight little. Nothing's you. They're they're they're very small experiences. I want to try to sell them try it. It's not great guys. It's not it's not had a feeling. We're building up to big moment here. Yeah. It's not. I mean Zelda in particular Zelda in particular is is not VR. It's not it's it's cool. Three D fulfilled of view view of Zelda. But there's no head tracking in it. You're still controlling the camera with with the end. It is extremely uncomfortable to hold that thing on your face. The idea of playing a hundred hours of Zelda like that is insane. I have to admit I have to admit, and this is the honest truth. I played way more of it than I thought I was going to I picked it up. I was like, oh, this is not great. It's blurry. It's kind of not good colors are all little washed out. And then like twenty minutes later. I'm like, I could get another one of those little cooking recipe. Oh, I've been playing Zelda this. Now, I don't know if there's a quality of Zelda, or and it was awesome. That it was in my entire field of view. And it was awesome. That it was in three d. But it may just be how good that game is. Because it did you get motion sickness all like the frame rate stuff. That's kind of speculation. If I move my body my head like I would want to in a headset. Then yes, I would get motion sickness. I got a little, but you're not supposed to move. It's like looking into. It's as if you went to New York City the Empire State building. And we're looking into one of those, you know, if you put a quarter in and you can spy across a mile of whatever. Yeah. It's like that. You're just supposed to hold it on your face. And then you use your thumbs to move the camera that didn't make me queasy. It was just if I moved my head in any way because my head expected the world to go with it. And it didn't right now with Mario odyssey. It does do that. The Mario odyssey isn't isn't the whole game. It's just these made these little bespoke levels made for VR. So it does do that. But you're not able it doesn't have a follow camera for for Mario. It's these little arenas. Basically where your camera position is fixed, and you can. Rotate your head three hundred sixty degrees in all directions around. And yeah, there's cool stuff behind you and cool stuff in front of you. But Mario runs away from you runs up as you control him. The camera doesn't follow him. So okay. Eddie, Irvine astronaut is not even in any universe. But it at least is giving you virtual reality. I mean, the calling the Zelda experienced VR is not even fair. It's not there's no head tracking in it. It is unless I was doing something wrong. But I don't think I was it. It is it is literally just staring into a three d world and playing the game with your hands press to your face. So it's three D, And that's cool. And it's like there's no edge to the screen, and that's cool. But it is not VR VR is is tracking your head in space. And yeah, Mario does that. But again, there's small little levels. And it is very blurry. The resolution that switch outputs his is not up to snuff. As far as I'm concerned. I mean, it's a cool little tech demo, and it, but again, it reinforces what I said when I heard it announced, which is I just wish Nintendo did this for real just doing for real like put out the put out the little like hundred hundred and fifty dollar plastic version of this. That's not cardboard that. And then make some actual experiences for it. Do it for real don't mess around. Like, I don't understand. I don't understand. It's up. I'm glad you got it. And I'm curious. I definitely want to try it now, especially now that now that I know you have it. Yeah. I wonder if Zelda just couldn't handle I did hear the update that everybody should do the update though because it makes out a load faster. Yeah. I heard that too. You don't have the. Yeah. I'll bring it into work tomorrow, and you can try. But it's yeah. It's not great. I mean, it's not great. It's cool that they did it, I guess, but it's slick the way the cardboard actually works and then all works. But it's to what end. It's exactly you know, we had this weird progression. Where it was announced. And I was like, oh, no, I don't like this. This is not how I want people to experience VR because I don't think the salespeople in VR. And then there were a bunch of reviews where people are like, oh, it's way better than you think in all these people emailed us tweeted at me and Sogeti gonna bite your tongue because it's actually good, and aren't you happy? And I'm like, yeah. I am happy. If it's actually good. And now, I tried it. And I'm back to my original position. Which is I don't want this to be somebody's first VR. I don't it was my nine year old nephews first VR, and he was like, yeah, it's fine. And he put it down after two minutes. He's like my arm those I am not making this up. He literally stood up at one point in like shook his arms, you know. How you do when your arms are hurting. He shook his arms like it's hard to maintain this position. Yeah. And it's like he didn't he wasn't even playing Zelda. He was playing couple of the mini games. So yeah. Not great lab. Oh VR. Sorry. Getting ripped though. He's getting ripped triset. He's. That's really disappointing. Because I it's a big thing with octopus. Or she see in valve just the idea of poisoning the well with Google Google. That's cool. You know, I understand they're sticking this more acceptable cheap. We'll get people in the VR. But the retention rate of people using Google cardboard is not good for your first experience. That makes that saddens me that your nephews. I experience is not a good one. Because you're you said, you know, what do you want to protect them? Oh, I think mostly what you want is someone to say, oh, I want. I want to do more of this right in whatever capacity, and that doesn't sound like that's what you're gonna get nor. Does it sound like Nintendo should have reasonably expected that? So that's bummer. Well, fear not Blake for. He will not leave my home without being brought into shingle long VR hits. Yes. I will be like and now beat sabre in. You'll be like oh. Anyway. So there you go. All right. This show's been going it's been really fun really very different kind of show that we normally do, but I've been enjoying it. So thanks so much. We're going to we're going to wrap the show up. We do have our parting gift coming up. So stick around for that. But Blake Jay Harris. Thank you so much for being here, sir. Thank you guys so much for having me, I should mention that. I do have a website that is built by squarespace. Hey synergy. They have made my life better. And one thing I wanted to mention just relevant early on us talking about writing books about video games, and how I hope that my book has helped others, or I hope that I wanna read others that if there's anybody out there that's interested in writing a book about video games or has been working on it really easy to get to on Twitter or through my website by squarespace, and I love I tell my wife. I'm not I don't think I'm very nice person in general. I don't know. But I'm always very nice, and helpful to people who wanna write books about video games because I believe in. I care about. And and Christian has quite a list of be. So if anybody has a wants to start working video game book, you got you got the material, and you got the access to the people who've done it. I mean, this is amazing. We're we're we're starting an entire industry here tonight. Am I kind of like I just like the idea of like people like oh Blake? What are you working on next? I'm like, oh, I'm Christian Spicer's person. Yeah. The word it. I love the. I mean, if you do it for how they get made. I think you should be able to do it for just my personal leisure as well. So Blake why don't you let people know what that Twitter handle is. And what that website is. So they can get a hold of you should they be so inclined. Sure. So you could find me on Twitter at Blake Jay Harris. And y c or my website a plague Jay, Harris dot com all one word. It's just my name. Michelle my last name, and I'm very easy to get to and probably engage with you. If you have good thinks, they're bad. Thanks to say. Because I I do think that it's a feel very fortunate to have been the custodian for these two great stories, and I try to take everyone's feedbacks and get the answers. You may not be able to say this. But do you know what the next thing is that you're gonna work on? Oh, I do I'll send you guys a little overview of an afterwards. But but don't despair listeners, it's it's this project is unrelated to video game. So I hope to maybe work on some Christian side projects. In the meantime, it's the first this one will be about the first three Americans to open a hotel Tahiti back in the nineteen sixties and their attempted all the teasha empire. Yeah. A good little travel story. They ended up having eighteen kids by ten different women. The what appealed to most was the business side of it. So he just wanted to write off a trip to Tahiti. I know that actually is kind of. Measure called me. And he said, hey, how would you feel if instead of interviewing hundreds of people and spending a few years traveling around the country on a project would you like to go to Tahiti interview a few people and write a book? And I said I'm interested in having. So you're not totally. Awesome. Well, wow, that's some fourteen. That's really cool. What interesting idea on interesting story Christian Spicer. What about you what he got going on this week? We'll be spitting up streaming again this week in all of the month of may. I'm still trying to work out the schedule, but spin it back up I want to raise more money for Saint Jude last year. I think we all raised a little over three thousand dollars our little community here of set. This year's goal at six thousand isn't it. Which I want to do. And also, I mentioned it I believe in the cold open to this show. But I want to reiterate it here. If this week up until may fourth, and he'd dollar dollar, you donate I will match it dollar for dollar up to a thousand dollar total Kaplan, I'm not I'm not making that higher personal book Butler money yet. But you can find the link on my Twitter and also just on my website Christian, Spicer dot com. I'll have the donate linked bears. If you want to donate to Saint Jude and help the kids I will match it dollar for dollar all this week. And I'll be setting up. What games? I'm streaming getting scheduled going here fairly soon so Twitter at Spicer and twitch twitch dot TV slash Christian, Spicer, and all the money goes to them at the tille defy running it. No cuts are being taken out of this stuff. It all goes directly to Saint Jude. So go to Christian, Spicer dot com. Donate, and I will match dollar for cool. You can always follow me on Twitter. I'm at Jeff cannata, which is fell with two ins and won t. And I do a another podcast all about movies and TV shows called the slash film cast. We just did our big avengers endgame episode was awesome. We had special guests Patrick Williams on really really really fun episode. So if you see. In the movie check it out because we do a lot of really great spoiler talk. So he can find that at slash film, cast dot com. And I also this week as I mentioned launched a brand new endeavor is a live play dungeons and dragons show called the dungeon run. It's on caffeine dot TV slash the dungeon run every Wednesday night at six PM Pacific time live, but it's also on YouTube, you can find it at the caffeine YouTube channel, and I believe there's going to be an audio podcast version soon too. So you can check for that. Maybe by the time you hear this. It's up. But do saying it's just a dungeon dragons life show is doesn't really do Justice. They have really gone all out. There is a full animatronic puppet. In the form of a mind flair that talks to the audience? It's interactive the audience can actually influence the game. It is while they built this amazing set, and he's all these cool models that we're going to be using and playing dungeons and dragons with so I urge you to check it out. I'm super proud of it. There's a fun. Thank you Christian. Appreciate it. There's there's a fun thread in our sub Reddit about people that are has been very positive about it too. And there are a lot of big surprises coming soon. So I mean, we only had one episode so far that's really just setting everything up. There's some big cool stuff. I have planned. And who knows I mean, the audience gets to influence it. Of course, the players are influencing it, so I'm not entirely certain words headed, but I have some big big ideas on the dungeon master. So I hope you guys check it out Wednesday nights, six PM Pacific time. Caffeine dot TV slash the dungeon run. Over on YouTube. I think it's YouTube dot com slash caffeine. But I'm not really sure you have to just start just search for the dungeon runs. The first thing that comes up the dungeon run. All right. That's it. Let's in the show now with our parting gifts. Like, do you have a suggestion help people get through their week? Yes. I'm reading a really good book. It's a children's book. It's dire. Even awesome friendly kid. It's part of the diarrhea from whip akin series. I know that probably most the people listen to this book are not children. Maybe you have children, but I've always enjoyed children's books. I find it very fun to a good way to unwind after a long day of adult stuff. And this book is another great one of the series. So whether it's this book or one of the other books, I would say that they're better than the movies, and they're really fun. So that's my suggestion. Cool limit Christian Spicer. How about you got a parting gift? Oh, I have the most Christian Spicer partying gift ever. I have a couple of rights skateboards. Well, listening to pop punk while donating the charity while. What is it rooting for the rockets? Very close though that. People people earth listening to this show. Just because it starting to get hot doesn't mean you can't wear jeans. Yes. And to pay attention to the Denham you're wearing too many people. I I'm not like the most hardcore Denham head, but I love some good denim. Most people just like go to the store go online or like these genes fit me, and then you get them, and they're all hot or it's the winter, and they're not warm enough pay attention to the weight of your dim get good quality down on no word sourced from no hot where it's made how it's being made. Now, it's getting warmer ad recommend. If you love Rockin, jeans, and snakes or whatever your look is. You can keep that going great over the summer. Go get some lightweight summer. Denham? Look good feel good pay attention to what you're putting on your body. That's my much my parting gift you go get some good denim. You don't want to be Jeff out there in short. Give me them knees. Give me them knees denim. I hardly even know him. I don't. That is very Christian. You'll see some new denim. Bobby so excited you've got new denim. Yeah. Christine gets new denim. Like once every two years, and it's a big deal. It's a big deal by then I'm laughing longtime get down on that Ganim. We had a listener suggested parting gift this comes to us at deal. See feedback at gmaiLcom. This comes from Matthew mcferrin from sunny London. Matthew says I had to recommend Netflix. First Korean series kingdom is based on a web series the kingdom of the gods. And it's already been renewed. For a second season aside from looking stunning the show has some interesting twists and turns in also has some different zombie related stuff, which I haven't seen before it goes further than just zombies. There's political upheaval in spying mean people doing mean things don't worry. There is ambi- is doing zombie things to if you like the Walking Dead and sumptuous the style and look of crouching tiger house. Of flying daggers. I can't remember recommend it enough. It's also it's also net made. So it's beautiful Oltra HD, which makes it look even more amazing. So that's kingdom, and it is a cream series on net. Flicks. Sounds very cool. Have you guys seen that or heard of that? I have not. No. But I will definitely actually check that out. That sounds really thank you Matthew for saying that in do you wanna have your parting gift read on the show, send it to us at DLC feedback at g mail dot com. I usually like to have one that is something you can see read watch do. Mind's going to be a little more s attack this week. Because as I said, I have been working so hard on the dungeon run. And as the dungeon master. I've been thinking things up and inventing cool moments and question ideas, and worlds and characters, and I think this is a show dedicated to being someone that consumes things that loves playing video games that loves experiencing board games in all that is great. And I don't want to take any of it away anything away from any of it. It is I love it still. But I think when we consume a lot we maybe sometimes at least I can lose sight of creating and I think Blake you can back me up on this the act of creating something is so intoxicating and so fulfilling, and so fun, and whatever form that takes for you instead of just consuming remember to create remember to find something you can. Create an for me, even a dungeons. And dragons campaign is is a pretty. Odd thing to think of as a creation because it's just a bunch of imaginative goof, goofy stuff that you tell among your friends, but even that has been so fulfilling to me to just think things through and come up with great ideas and kind of have this program running in the back of my head the whole all through my day of like, oh my gosh. Even as I'm going about doing other things driving or even talking to people when they're this little running in the background that's working on this problem working on coming up stuff. And it's so satisfying to have that program running to be thinking in a creative way. So my parting gift is I hope you find something to create and nourish that in yourself instead of just consuming also create. All right. That's going to do it for this episode of D L C. Thanks again into Blake Harrison Christian Spicer for hanging out with me. Thanks to all the folks in our chat room for hanging out with us in real time. Thanks to our musical contributors. Patrick L, Sean Madigan in zero star for making those cool bumpers and thank you to you for listening. We'll be back next week until then think about what you put out into the world make it a better place.

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Halo Infinite a Live Service? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 03.12.19

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Halo Infinite a Live Service? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 03.12.19

"What's up everybody? Welcome to kind of funny games daily for Tuesday, March twelve twenty nineteen. I want your host Greg Miller alongside the busiest leading up business. Andrea rene. Oh, let's get Greg the division to Andrew. Oh my gosh. Bear you play an injury. You played. We're all playing together last night. What a time to be alive and so excited for how tired are you? Are you tired? I played for ten hours. You texted me like nine in the morning, just our lives fucking stupid job. So did you play all day? I did I did take a couple breaks finish editing. Video for for what's good, and I had to do some Photoshop graphics work shirt. Yes. Some your work. Yeah. Got can't wait to get back to it is that's annoying kind of game. It's all I can think about. I'm gonna do. All this dumb stuff race the endgame. But even now, you can see the stronghold on the map that are going to open up you hit and games. It looks like they've prebuilt in a pretty big tale of content, which is obviously a lot of lessons learned from the first of the division. So really exciting. I can't wait to get deeper into it. It's interesting though, as I feel is I feel committed this one for quite a while. And so I haven't felt the division one. It was very much like I was I wanna get to level Cappone level cab on a little Cup. And like I felt like it was a drag at times to go back and play like, you know, earlier missions that you've already done, but like last night already done a whole bunch of the jumping back in with, you know, Fran Barrett and Kevin to run through those with them and go like I'm going to be here forever. I don't mind doing it. Andrew. Yes. Greg is going to be a games. This service is the apex? Legends battle pass dropping today will answer these because this is kind of funny games daily each and every week Dan of Roddy platforms. We run you through the nerdy. Video game news, you need to know how excited they haven't figured out. I came to me this morning on how to get the bullet points in natural things. And get a shock collar. No, no morning in games, you need to know about you like that part of the show patriot dot com slash kind of funny games. If you go there, you can submit your questions comments, concern, bad PSN names, everything else the video games on then you can tune in to watch us record it live on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games. If you're watching live you've special job go to kind of funny dot com slash your own. Tell us what we screw up as we screwed up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later on YouTube dot com slash kind of funny games and rooster teeth dot com as well. As everybody listening on podcast services around the globe house keeping for you. Remember, we're going to Kansas City end of the month March thirtieth flying saucer emporium, if you want you can get in there without a pass or anything if you want to go the extra mile, we're doing Comecon planet, Comecon panels. You can go there. See Nick interview. Henry winkle Winkler, see me interview. Mick Foley, see me on the superman panel c tame interview the Power Rangers. Andy, the kinda funny panel to do nothing. Thing. But that's how it's working you coming. I wasn't invited fake fan fake fan for can't even get out there. I know how field you'll be Paxi. Somebody's gotta go. Come see me in Boston. Good. So what's good panel is Thursday, March twenty eighth at six thirty pm in the Bob cat theater? And then the what's gains meet-and-greet will be at two pm on Saturday March thirtieth, and it will be an all ages meet and greet for the first time kids. Are you bringing PlayStation are you gonna play division? We are only because we're immediately going from Boston to Florida to see my in laws, and they are a little bit older. So they go to bed on the early side. So I'll be playing question is do we bring to PlayStations John doesn't like games? Last night you, and I are planning we're like, John you're like, oh, he's doing Email, whatever it's real easy, abandoned, all the responsibilities you have taxes. Like, I'm going to do those now. That. Well, thank you are. Patriots producers today there Mohammed Mohammed Tom Bach in blackjack. We're also brought to you by hymns. But I'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin the show with what is an forever will be the rope report. It did it did it. Five on the report baker's doesn't. Thank you number. One is halo infinite going to be a game as a service. This is from Steve watts over at gamespot halo infant appears prime to get its big debut at three twenty nineteen. But it may be very different kind of game. Comments from kike Wolff kill the head of halo. Trans media at three or four three has added. More reason to believe that the studio is imagining this is an ongoing game or live service quote. We have to be able to change content quickly wolf-kill told fortunes brainstorm design conference said I guess not quote, we can't afford to wait three years every time we drop new product. And have it be blackbox because the games kids are playing are changing every week the reference to the three year development cycle as outdated paired with the title of halo, infant itself would seem to suggest that Microsoft and three or four three are planning. This entry as an ongoing game of some sort. That would also make sense alongside her reference of the games that kids are currently playing. It sounds like a reference to games like fortnight, which issues regular challenge. Updates and new between its large seasonal updates wolf-kill. Also reference quote, having a set of rules that people can engage with and buy into for years to come end, quote as the head of trans media. Wolf kills focus is how to tell different kinds of halo stories across variety of media. That means she may not be directly involved in game development. But she probably is planning other media and storytelling. The takes advantage of the story established in halo infinite that can mean we see Ray reecey stories regularly updating in the game and continuing through other media or criss crossing through. Both the studio recently had to respond to concerns about micro transactions following a job posting it has also specified that it will not have pave loop boxes. This news comes halo head of franchise development. Frank O'Connor as recently confirmed that halo infinite will hit PC and Xbox One rather than wait for next gen consoles. Andrea what's your read? I mean sink or swim here. Right. Like, they have to have to join the party makes a lot of sense him forever. As saying a halo battle royale in the even for me. I'm like, oh that sounds interesting and exciting and so many people can wrap their head around. They have so many fun memories of halo multi-player. King of the hill was one of the most popular halo modes right Gulch, I can say both. Whereas I've heard through adversity versus bluetooth. I think that Microsoft wants to be able to pivot quickly going into the next generation of hardware, obviously, as you just stated Frank O'Connor has said that this is going to come out on Xbox One. And why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't come out on both Xbox One whatever XBox has coming next because of where it's positioned in the generation cycle. But as far as a game service. I think it's the way that developers figuring out how to do ongoing post launch content to keep those players invested in the ecosystem that they've spent so much money time building. Why not right? I think we're seeing a lot of people doing it correctly doing it the right way and keeping people engaged I love to point to asan's. Creed odyssey is really great. Kind of poster child for a single player game that was able to keep their community engaged throughout the post launch season. Exactly, obviously four nine is the kind of poster player. So I think you know, if they can strike a balance between making a really meaningful campaigns. That's always been part of halos history. While also staying true to their multiplayer routes that could have something really special fact checking me on this and kind of funny dot com slash wrong. If you don't know, but that was the deal with halo five as well. Didn't they make a lot of they made a big deal? I remember talking I think David LSD three one year about the fact that they were doing post launch like here, we're giving halo stories. We're continue. There's going to be multiplayer, obviously. But we're giving you first purse or not first person, we're giving you actually story based content you need to get back to. I don't recall single player post launch content for halo five probably because I was pretty disappointed with the single player context and halo five clearly multiplayer stood out as it always does. But I love halo campaigns. And I was just. Wow. This by halo fives keep paying in the direction narrative that they took. So we'll see what they do with infinite. I mean, if it sounds like I mean, you're right. You singer swim? Right. And I do think when you're Microsoft, and you're thinking about how to bring people to your console and your games and have them never leave. You think about what exclusives? You do have. And what do matter halo does matter? So if they can come out, and they can like you're saying deliver a great halo story. And then also give you great halo multiplayer and a great halo battle royale and give you so many bells and whistles, and you know, we talk about these games of service like a buffet, right? Where you can come in. And what do you feel like that day? If it is that, you know, three times a year, they drop these meaty story campaign beats that you can go through and play with your friends. Awesome. They're updating this. They're giving you a reason to there's new cosmetics for, you know, master chief or whoever your Spartan is each and every day, it makes a lot of sense. And it would be a great way to get people back into the XBox. If they drifted if it was hey, it is the halo game play. You know, love feels like, hey, low. It is giving you blood Gulch meme. Aries and king of the kill of run out of things. I know from halo. Here we go. Manno biologist on kind of com slash you're wrong says halo four receive post launch content related story, but was in the form of Spartan ops. That is what I was looking for. Thank you. Halo five only received multiplayer updates perfect. Thank you, speaking player up dates Neg, Greg way. Man. I'll tell you what. It's only gonna get worse. Stay up later and later playing division two. Let's see how we feel in writing. Number two on the report is a new apex legend character coming in. Did it just get leaked Jesse way tonight and has a summary a new apex character has potentially leaked online. According to user, shrug till on Twitter as of Tuesday morning user, shrug till found the image on EA servers which included details of the character named octane in reported that will be an reported that it was taken down after ten minutes. The background itself is still alive without any of the text and the URL for the image way that that mentions the season one battle pass for apex legends. When I got into the kind of funny mail Gilly brooms frequent contributor had mentioned the fact that there was this rumor that the season one pass could drop today after respond announce it would be launching its first major content drop sometime in March, Andrew, do you believe it? Heure on the ace servers this little this little image of this guy throwing up his fingers. I mean, why not it they've had a a really good couple of weeks post launch. Can you you know, give another shot of adrenalin into that ecosystem before fortnight overtakes them yet again because their new season their new drops. I saw four nights adding a hamster ball. You can get drive around and stuff. That's the thing. And that's how these games are service works is that there is something right? Every day new reason every week a new reason to turn it on. I think that they're intimidating of maybe a slight dip with people checking out the division at least for the first couple of weeks that is multiplayer focus game as well. But does have a revamped Peavy p component? So I mean, obviously battle royale is its own Honora. But yeah, released more stuff have more PR beats more reasons for people to go to your sub Brett big shown it thrown it up here. So this is what the character looks like if you are a viewer at home, you can see it's the apex legends background there. And then he looks he looks like a character to me looks like a cross between a psycho and the guy with the falcon with the weird hair. Whose name is just completely blanking for my mind right now, very if you go back, and you actually click on this show all the show the Jian article we already give him credit. What's up Jessie in click on the Twitter user shrug toll there that hyperlink at the very time. Kyw right there. Thank you. And then this this will show you when you throw it up the text that was originally on the image. That was talking and referencing. What seemed to be about a pass? Right. They and this was confirmed a little bit more that maybe this is real. Maybe it's about to pop. We'll see maybe this is all news by the time. You get and I just wasted your time. If so I hope enjoyed my voice, but yeah, legends. Obviously so strong out of the gate. Andy still streams at every night. It seems still so popular. This is obviously key to a games as a service right and making it relevant over and over again is dropping cool stuff and keeping the audience happy. That is correct, Greg. I wanted your approval three we briefly talked about this yesterday. And I'm glad you came in with the clarification yesterday at the very, oh, yeah. In the Hollywood reporter says the fortnight dance lawsuits are dropped. But they may come back, and I didn't understand why Asia came through today with the polygon article by Austin Goslin fortnight days lawsuits dismissed after new supreme court ruling stick with me. Everybody law firm Pierce brain ridge has dismissed five of its copyright lawsuits against EPA games over dances in fortnight. It announced a news release the decision dismissed to dismiss the suits comes. As a result of the supreme court's decision last week in fourth estate public benefit Corp verse Wall Street dot com, which changes the traditional understanding of process in copyright suits, quote, previously plaintiffs could file copyright infringement lawsuits as soon as they applied for registration with the copyright office. Now plane us have to wait for the copyright office to act on that application before filing suit which. As a result of its backlog. Can sometimes take many months the law firm said in a statement about the lawsuits because the suits were originally filed immediately. After the plaintiffs applied for copyrights on the dances all have been dismissed for the time being this. Of course includes the fresh prisoners the orange shirt kid dance backpack guy, Millie whoever all those people what I'm talking about. There's no guarantee that the US copyright office will actually approve the registrations. However, the process for copyrighting dance moves in the US is extremely murky. According to US law, you can't actually copyright a dance move only fully choreographed routines, the difficulty is that there's really nothing to say what the dividing line is between the two while some of the filings may qualify choreographed routines. Others might not it's up to the copyright office to decide how this affects night and its popular dancing moats going further. So thank you. Andrea giving me a Ray of allied on. What what it made me sense yesterday? When I was reading the headline move subtext is done. But for now can even do this stop being stop threatening people. It's so complicated. Why can't be easy and just say fortnight put whatever you want your game. Take everything people are greedy, Greg on the is that there is there is there like if they did come in and they stole the well, not that we still those. If we still as they stole the kind of funny, Logan. Hey, what the fuck, man? I mean is it your kind of funny logo trademarked C? That's different. Sure. This is why they're being thrown out because they don't actually own the copyright for the thing that they're suing the copy. Okay, sorry. I thought. Okay. Sorry. I thought. Plate blanket. Oh, no. If you have intellectual property rights, you should absolutely be paid for your work. One hundred percent without question. A lot of lawyer friends. Right. I do. Hey, bring up the come on logo. Not. I'm not making a gross joke here. Q U M O children's put that in there. G U M O N children's bring human humans saying it's come on. It's pretty clear it's Q on pretty clear come on. You mean, the tutoring serves xactly exactly exactly I want you to show this Andrea on the show to the kids show show, everybody everything, right? I need all the lawyers out there. Cumin was a brand before kind of funny was a blue and white thing with a smiley face before. Then I doubt it Miley face. I doubt. You're right. It's not it's not even a kind of funny face. It's aboard kid trying to study math reading success about the intricacies of copyright and trademark law. Is that if you were going to file trademarks, I assume that your legal team did on behalf of kind of funny shared, and you have to be incredibly specific with the details of what the trade Marcus for in the kind of funny signature smiley face has one Winky. I no, no, no. It's got like one smiley thing. You're thinking of the kind of honey's one kind of honey's one there's many variations. It's the way that the smile go. Sure. And I'm saying come on getting pretty close to it. Cumin? Everybody will come on kids. You'll see what I'm saying stop great number four. It's another fortnight story fortnight is gonna maybe. Introducing or is introducing an undue purchase button. This is from Shabana Arief over twenty four seven Shabana. Doing home at work. I usually I read from Jan for charbonnet. But here we are g twenty four seven go. Get it EPA games. His plans to add the new planet has the new feature the undo purchase button saying it doesn't wanna benefit from accidental purchases or have players regret. Their purchase the developer shared the update on Reddit thread created by user, spicy habent arrow sixty-nine which has to be Fran Mira Bella who discovered that the Japanese version of the game has confirmed purchase screen before players can proceed to fritter their money away communists, speculated on the absence of a similar feature in the west with some suggesting that epic is deliberately holding it. Back to scam sausage figured players. That's shot at Kevin. This is such a funny story. Quote, seeing that it already works in another country. Just makes them look dishonest in highlights. How far they'll go for money said one such redder. It wasn't long before one of the devs came onto the thread to explain that. This isn't the case and that an undue button is on its way to the store. Quote. We neither want to add friction for players nor do we want to benefit from accident purchases or players. Regretting purchase. Our initial solution for this was at a refund token system as an ongoing ration- we are going to introduce an undue button to the store page that allows you to simply refund without using up a token within a five minute time window, assuming you haven't started a match since said purchase, PlayStation, foreign Japan. This is still the quote, PlayStation, four in Japan is a bit of a special case due to the the cross lash circle button meaning difference, meaning being different swapped by default. And there are being options to reverse the meanings of the buttons. Good on them. Just a heads up. If you're if you if you'd fall into the camp and heard this that they were greedy, they they're trying to get there as usual much like what the EPA game store constantly iterating. And that's the whole thing with fortnight. Obviously the success, right? It's constantly iterating constantly calibrating and their podcast you ever verse in destiny to refund button. If you bought something new changed your mind. Is there a similar time? Limit on it. You know, I think it's longer than five minutes. I think it's fifteen minutes the same kind of rules apply that you obviously like can't open it. Go into a match with it matchmake. Once you bought it because they have to have restrictions, otherwise, then people would just be, you know. Exactly money runoff, really number five and finally on. The rope report PlayStation now is expanding. This is from the European PlayStation blog or please. You announced that PlayStation now, PlayStation streaming and download service that gives users access to over six hundred games. The touch of a button is available in seven extra countries from today. PS four players in Italy Spain Portugal, Finland Sweden, Denmark, and Norway will be able to instantly stream or download hundreds of amazing games on their council on consul. You have the choice to download PlayStation four games to your hard drive. If you decide to stream you'll be able to pick up right where you left off, regardless of whether you're playing on PS four or thanks to cloud saving and the catalog continues to grow every month more games. Join the library. And there's no better time to try out the service in Europe, PlayStation now is also available in the UK Ireland, France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, and Luxembourg. Well, it's about time. Yeah. That was mainly my thing. I think one of the undercurrents of recent K of GD's has been. As I always say, you know, getting their ducks in a row doing all these new stuff beating their chests talking about what they're doing. And we always look at PlayStation, go, man. Like, what are what is their plan for next generation in terms of streaming in terms of the cloud? We know PlayStation thing. Now, it's not something they really promote all that often. It's interesting to see them start to get into more places. And you wonder what that means going forward? Yeah. It's been fascinating. How Microsoft has always had more accessible worldwide with their system than PlayStation has despite the fact that there are more PlayStations in the world than ex say, what do you mean by excessively? I mean when you think about online subscription services, whether it be XBox live gold or XBox game pass. It's been a valuable in more. Territories around the world, then PlayStation now or PlayStation plus has been and I always thought it really interesting. Why PlayStation had these hang-ups about getting into specific? Territories. And I'm sure that there's a lot of things on the back end that have a lot to do with that. But I'm like well. Xbox is doing it. Then there must be a path for PlayStation to do it. And I just maybe it has to do with Microsoft being the parent company versus Sony being the parent company. Who knows great? Nobody knows the shadow is. Somebody at PlayStation knows. Yeah. I was gonna name a name. But then I one John Dera since he's in charge or does he know so many underneath him knows right hands a memo. And then he knows to I don't even I doubt he knows why. Jim Ryan, why are we doing something? Joey Joe tells me out the other. I don't know why we don't do whatever we do our work. Andrea. Yes, I'm excited to see PlayStation now fits in to the future streaming. He's going to be huge. Let's get a bike. But still so far away to see who's right or who's wrong about streaming future. If I wanted something more immediate like say, what came to the mom grabs shops. Where would I go you go to the official list of coming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of funny games, they show host each and every weekday. To do the to here. Out today. Ghost of a tail and PlayStation four and Xbox One true Brooke on and MAC the league effect overdose on PlayStation, four, switch Rico on PlayStation for the wizards on PlayStation for the LEGO marvel collection on PlayStation, four and Xbox One. That's three league games in one. I'm in to them. They didn't pay me to say that that's just facts Claybrook switch. Switch Exo craft on MAC factory town on PC, MAC, low five ping pong on PC. I wanna play a lo fi ping pong. Can you show me? It is that ever gonna come out her tax machine bomb fall on switch little shopping on switch Hypo know hypno- space outlaw, his Amy, but heartfelt tribute the nineties internet culture from the wonderful mine of J fallen and it's out on steam and Gog now for twenty bucks. And then read dead online is getting an update let's hear from rockstar themselves. This week's new addition to the series. Let me try this again. Divisions. Getting this week's new addition to the series of spoils of war a frontier take on capture style. Multi-player you can launch this new mode using the featured series tile title. No time in the red online. Beta launch menu via the quick Jari spoils more to to sixteen players compete in this team based mode to defend their stockpile in Radi. Others each team must steal loot from their opponents base and return it to there's while defending their own stash, whichever team steals. The most by the end of the match wins. You can take on this new showdown motocross variety of locations, including fort Mercer and Valentine as added benefits this week. You also get eight twenty percent X P boost on all showdown modes and winning one spoils of war match Wheeler. And you an extra bonus of eight times dynamite arrows that you can retrieve from the post office or your camp lock box. All right, this it lo fi ping pong doesn't look like what is expecting at all xactly like what I was gonna be like pulling all right going. It's a demo trailer. Very retro eight bit art style. Here. We okay now it's getting now this is what I'm looking for. I want the low fi ping pong. Here. We go three two one is a good, Sandra. Okay. Ping pong balls like four pixels swish Brigadier. Switch. Lo fi pingpong for everyone. Uber. Worth pointing out today. The March episode of XBox inside XBox is dropping at two pm Pacific. Remember, this is the one that said well, exciting news involving halo the master chief collection. And the hour long episode will also feed your daisy one piece world seeker. And of course, XBox game pass halo the master chief collection coming to XBox game. Pass is not on game path. This is exciting news involving Halen collection period. So what are they added? There's been rumors. Are they adding reach are they what what reach new I would pay for that. Right. Because that's the thing about halo master chief question. Really rocky wall in then they continued to add to it over and over again when she hollered of rocky launch, wouldn't you know, it was excellent at launch. I remember a lot of people complaining. No. There was like, okay. Let's be clear complaining about the multi-player connectivity. Where it was like it was unpleasant for that was the why didn't care about that trying to take Josh not what they did with with remastering all all of the master chief. Halos was really fantastic. Sure. No. No, no. That was the thing of doing in where they are now. Excellent. But I remember it was like, Tim. It's almost like Greg that games with multiplayer online component tend to have difficulty launch. Sure. Yes. That is what it's like. But I'm trying I'm trying to think it was just Justin Davis when we were still at. I was like that game's going down. I'm gonna play and wants couldn't even fucking connect. And then it went on for a while. Right. Barrett. Wrong. Give me a link to the problem. It went on for a bit. I remember it was like a good like couple month. It's like now, it's every loves it. It's amazing. I just remember when they finally fix it. Like it felt like it already. Come and gone. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But look here it is going strong. Maybe adding reaching an injury back in and maybe going to see that is the other rumor. Yeah, that'll be on PC. Is it not on PC play anywhere title? What's the master chief collection? Yeah. I was going through the Microsoft store actually the other day on my PC because I wanted to play Cup head, and I could not find the master chief collection. Now that is shocking. Well, there's a lot of things that can happen with the after question everybody, and it's going to be very interesting. So that's why I'm telling you look out for XBox. Or just kind of funny games tomorrow. We're I'm sure I'll recap. Speaking of games that are allowed to have a lot of problems thaw. Seventy Sixers has been delay. This is a tweet from him. It's just today. We're moving the release of the wild Appalachia Appalachia somebody tried to correct pronunciation of this before. And I was like I'm sorry. It's not gonna happen. What do you got for me leaning in Appalachia? I thought I had it back one day on all platforms. We just need a little more time to experience the new quests crafting station and much more starting now on March thirteenth. This leads us to new dates craft in game unionise thrilled to announce that missed over is coming in the Nintendo switch an P C via steam in summer. Twenty nineteen missed over comes from the developers of both Tara and player. Unknowns battlegrounds this deep strategic RPG promises dozens of hours of game play an systems. Then sure no dungeon ever plays. The same way twice is this from you. Or is this them? Yes. This is from their press release that I put it into great great context. Think of it as a cross between the mechanics of his dungeon. And the thrilling dungeon crawling experience found in odyssey. Okay. I will think of it that way. I got help from the chat. The calculus says Appalachia. Okay. What is gonna be clarification on master chiefs? Woes Appalachia got Appalachia. We're talking about the importance of Gotcha remorse. World remorse. You can let that one go. But, you know, hey, man, get out in front of it. That's why we got the wrong and the channel we're all the worships legends is coming to early access on consoles on April sixteenth, and then dead cells new deal sea rise of the giant comes out March twenty eighth and then the nanna violence wrote into your wrong, even though it's not a missed new day because you wrote it before we started new dates, but we didn't not put us in the shown as the hollow night collector's edition is now available for preorder through gamer dot com. It releases may thirty first and comes with a bunch of stuff. Okay. 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Wait nicotine is still something to say bear bring up his mic. Hold on. Hold after after you left as you said someone brought a cat into the office bear, please kill micro. Couteau says what's up Greg in Andrew at least I'm assuming maybe he got to sleepy from playing the division two. And it's still in bed playing division two. I wish anyway last month we saw anthem get the staggered release for people that decided to pay for origin premier this week. We get the division to release stagger between the gold and ultimate and standard. Editions? It seems the idea of people seeing streamers play early may push players to just pay the surcharge. Do you think that instead of charging no changing the base price of games that publishers will follow this shift of charging ten to twenty dollars more from for some extra skins and three to five days of early access to the games slash ELC. Andrew. Yes, greg. Yes. I don't think this is going anywhere to you. Now, it's marketing, right? It's marketing one on one and it works out fairly. Well, you assume it did seem like a lot of people with me playing the division last night talking about it tweeting out it seemed like I was getting a lot of stuff. It's out already. How are you already playing? Right. And then other people coming in because I was seeing it hours later in saying, oh, what's the goal dishes? The ultima. Edition. If you do that you can get in there. It's an interesting one. It's still not like what we talked about with anthem, right? Where it was like right egregious. Entire platform restricted their premium to their premium subscription service. And that's what made the way that they rolled out anthem, really gross. Not to say that, you know, early access is general isn't weird. Right. Exactly. But I think that this is certainly a less agree. Just way to go about it to say, hey, anyone on any platform has the opportunity to buy early access by our store. It was happening. Right. Purchase. It from game stuff. You can purchase it from best buy you can purchase your XBox live doesn't matter where but and then it doesn't matter. What platform you're on? I think that's definitely a better way to go about it. And clearly it helps them ramp up their online servers so that they're not getting a dump of millions of plays at the same time. Because I still experienced hard crashes yesterday weren't got dumped into a Q. Like, I was in the middle of a match the division to just like hard crashed me the dashboard. And then I had when I rebooted the game back up. I had to enter a queue to get back. Really see that was what I was. I was. Not amazed by but like last night, we did so much and played for so long. And it wasn't until the end when frame was talking to his chat more where he was like, I haven't I was like, oh, yeah. This is been for the most part seamless in terms of I'm having a pretty small group. Having texture popping on signs and stuff like that. Don't even generous Washington coma. Gosh, it's Dave negative one. It is one whatever. But that was my thing of like in the shower. I was like oh, man. What a great ransom while. Oh, wait Friday, though. Let's see. How it runs Friday? I've heard even so far this morning gotten substantially worse with the open up the kind of like gates for everybody the goal the ultimate editions. But yeah, I think this weekend is really going to be the true test one hundred percent. And of course, we're streaming anthem Friday afternoon. So get ready for some tetris ninety nine. I'm sure when it's all crashed out and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, I do you think that instead of changing the base price of games, the publishers will follow this shift one hundred percent, I think that, you know, the value of the dollar your dollar the game dollar. The consumers dollar is still such. It's paramount in every conversation, we have games, and that's become clear. Obviously these last few weeks, we've talked the audience. I think that this is the easiest way for publishers and developers to be like cool. We want to make more money from you. We we want you to feel like your money's going to something that's worth we want. We don't want to just take your money and gouge you laughing smokers cigars, we want you to feel like you're getting a benefit out of it. And so these staggered releases seem to do that where it is. Or people are doing in the chat asking what you're getting. It is getting exclusive skins like, you know, what I mean new cosmetic items in little backpack. Dangles right. They can show that you were there on negative day to or whatever. And you're having a great time. But you really are just paying to get the access earlier and get into the game you want earlier whether it be dark zone edition or something like that. And I think in some ways, that's I think it's I think it's a fair enough trade off, you know, or even with anthem when it was a week out of that sucks. Whatever it wasn't like backbreaking to me. And if I didn't if I hadn't gotten this edition, right? The one to get in from Ubisoft for review if I hadn't gotten that head of time, I would sit. I would I mean, I would pay the money. But that's because division is that kind of game for me. Right. Like, I'm buying my friends copies of the division. So they'll play with me. It's all about player choice right in its options not requirements. See that's the thing. 'cause option that's a great way to put an injury cut, you're smarter than me options versus requirements, right? Because what the other side of this would be. Okay, cool. Then we're going to give you on launch day. A this. What we talked about. Like would you pay hundred dollars for a game if division to was like, regardless of the cosmetics and the early access take that out we think this game's worth a hundred bucks. What would that do to them? Right. I think they would look worse. Ubisoft would look worse. If that was the one required way right now granted, you could argue. Well, the no they could be an optional version there that is six dollars at the base game up. Right. But what what is it just the cosmetic items that maybe aren't worth the extra twenty dollars? They're saying right now, the extra days early days are worth your time or with your money. I should say like the ultimate edition comes with the the year one. Season pass. And I think that is really where the value is versus just like, the cosmetics or the special guns that you get out launched, quite frankly, I don't even think used the gun that came with that you provided us, but the year one content is the stuff that I think I'm more interested in the extra assignments specialists classes, the other stuff that you get to play in vain thing. We're even that right? We talked about an on here even bag, it's so complicated. Right because the season content like the episodes are all free. They're putting that out for rent. But then it is what you're drilling down into what the season passive will. Cool. You get these extra bounties. You get this extra thing their caches or something to that effect. I think it's it's everyone's still this is what I always come back to with the argument of how much games cost, you know, online passes, Luke boxes, blah, blah, people are still trying to figure it out. But I still think we're seeing the progression of what? We say as pundits what the audience what we all say is gamers, you see that ripple effect happening where you do see it getting better. I think personally, and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe have a different opinion. I love to hear kind of dot com slash GD for tomorrow. But I do think that as you look out is what's happening. I think the division to launching me like cool all the contents free. We're still selling season pass. But that is literally just for the icing on this cake. We've made it we've made you a giant cake. It's too. There's a lot of stuff in there. I think that companies like rockstar really leading the way they're what they did with GTE five and GTE online is truly the gold standard value in video games. The fact that you get all of GTE five in that amazing narrative work that in that open world, they Bill and then on top of that you get access to so much so many activities and GTM line think they really kind of like set the standard as to this is what sixty dollar value should be. And that's why there's like what eighty million copies of GTE soul. The shark cards everything else, not every publisher not every developer can offer that and can do that or has the technology or the resources to build a game like that. But I think if more teams that come from AAA studios can strive to put as much value in the box as possible, I think gamers would be more appreciative in the industry would be healthier overall. I know you obviously every who watches knows that I've been super excited for division since I platinum division one. Like, you just won't stop talking about Greg too bad. Let me tell you right now is it's going to be a rough fucking month for you. If you want to hear about division dropout until I get a review copy day's gone. No, I thought yesterday again, you wanna talk about like your voice actually being hurt. I think so so many times gamers do that. Nobody's listening or you know, they see the same mistakes or similar mistakes yesterday Ubisoft and the division put out that tweet that was like their scroll of all the content. That's in the division at launch at the end. It was like us content in their tweet, which was basically you want content. We've got tons of content. And it is that thing of developers and publishers really realizing what six dollars means to you and how they can hopefully get that from you. But make you feel like you're justified in the same where you're bringing up GTE, right? Where people were buying other copies GTE on discount to get the card. Do the thing. But you never heard people being like, holy shit is rockstar gouging me people are happy. It seems to turn over that money. And I'm sure there's notable flare ups in the community about this item. Or that thing. For the most part every like, no they've earned every dollar. I've given them, and that's what you want in these relationships, absolutely. Right barrett. Sure. Alex de rights into patriots dot com slash kind of funny games and says, Greg since you guys are coming to Kansas City, March thirty for the kinda funny world tour you seriously need to check out up down. If you have time, it's a bar, arcade full of retro machines, Casey bruise, plus killer, Queen and usually Mario Kart double dash. Okay. Good tip bear put that on my agenda since you won't come in. You hate supporting the the fans would if I was coming sucks that you know, you just can't come. You know what I mean? Just come forth. Blackjack writes in two patriots dot com slash kind of funny. Games says, hey, Greg. Andrea. What's good last week, the place the official PlayStation YouTube channel headed multi part documentary about CD project. Read the final part was about cyberpunk twenty seventy seven with tease at the end. That said it would be coming when it's ready. I found this interesting as typically these type of developer deep dives are reserved for Sony's first party studios. Do you think it's possible that Sony is having conversations with CD project right about a possible acquisition now? The last purchase was sucker pushback in twenty eleven and since then they closed several studios. Also, Microsoft is going on on a purchasing binge over the past year. It would seem that now would be the time for soon to spend some of the capital on a new studio. I echo Andrea. No, there's no way in hell. They're selling CD project read what that is is totally marketing, right? We're PlayStation wants you to think that they are exclusive when you see CD project red and you see cyberpunk twenty seventy. They want that band right with the PlayStation logo coming up in the beautiful blue and the best place to play. Like, it's Ed the same thing we saw with call of duty back in the day with Microsoft, right? It's what you've seen with people trying to partner with rockstar to get exclusive content earlier. Yeah. Maybe that's the deal at you're in a see where it is. Yeah. Sure. Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven deal sea comes earlier a day earlier this special skin. Say have alien there, whatever. But no, that's that's a very good marketing move from PlayStation that I hadn't been paying attention to that. They're building all these internal team docs. And then they're like and also here's a CD project. And it was like, oh, man. I didn't realize they were working so closely with PlayStation, clearly, this is the place to get it in. Meanwhile, Phil Spencer punches his hat, and then what happens just money falls out. And then he buys another studio and then XBox two comes around, and it's all streaming. And I laugh at you. I laugh at you. Andrea. Exciting. I'm sorry. I get caught up. Sometimes my I I go places. You know what I mean? I'm looking for you know. Gilly Brahms says. Hi, greg. Andrea simple question. What are your biggest multi-player pet peeves when matchmaking with randoms? My frustration has been players in apex legends leaving the game immediately after dying despite any attempt of mine to revive them angry, Greg voice, I can't keep sticking my neck out there for these flaky cowards and voice. Thanks for. All you. Do this brooms the great question. And also, I feel your your pain. It's very irritating. When people are having a rough go and instead of sticking out and trying to you know, make a win out of it. They just quit. Instead sure that happens quite frequently in gambit one of the multiplayer modes indus- any to where this a three round multiplayer mode. And so if you lose the first round a lot of times people would just leave to around we can still turn this around come on match. Make with randoms a lot. Know that I am pretty active with the clan. I don't generally have to. But sometimes I'll be on at like weird hours of the day in the morning or like super late at night, or sometimes I just only want to do a quick match or two. So it's not worth it me like Pinon clan chat like, oh who wants to squat up because I'm only going to be on for thirty minutes or something? For sure. So. Yes, a no. But I decided last night to jump into the division to I responded to a call from somebody because people can put out like a SOS, essentially, drew. And and it was it was okay. I think the frustrating part was we clearly were all overpowered for the mission that we were on. I thought I was going to be like the high level person coming in being like, oh help you. Level ten and it wasn't that way. At all. They were all like level nine. And I'm like, why do you guys need help doing this? Or why the three of you did three of us has happened to all answer the call 'cause I sent the flare like several times and sponsor. So I decided to fight through on my own. But I think generally if you're going to do anything that has some kind of cooperative element. I get really frustrated when the people who are in the match making process don't understand that it's a cooperative process like rainbow six, for example, that's a game that you really need to work together. Now, I understand that some people can't or don't want to be on voice comms for a variety of reasons, but it's really challenging to do a game like that super squad based if you don't communicate in some for some fashion or have some kind of strategy or even worse if you do team, killing which is the worst who would do that a lot of people, Greg. There's a lot of bad people out there eighty headed coming Nick fun. For me is the random times, I have to it's bad, Mike management. You know what I mean? Like when you it's just like, you're playing music, and I'm like, oh, my God jumping soon as I can or when somebody's eating directly into the microphone. Yeah. Yeah. I know I got some complaints on that on what's good. Sometimes I would eat will were doing the podcast 'cause like two and half hours thongs or so I thought but Kevin sales on gaming we were playing. We were. We were we rating last. No it was this weekend. I was playing with the members of the of the clan and one of the members on our. Eating like in the middle of a multi player match. And I'm like could you eat between matches? To think I ask that you just focus on what we're doing right now. And then you put your food down and eat it while we're loading. I don't know what the person is thinking because I know you crazy. Well, I think we're really good friends when I ride with you. It is terrifying. I'm just like what? Yes, Archie, whatever you want. Tell me. Can I go to the bathroom? Now. I have to go to the bathroom now time for required reading, which we rarely ever do. This. One comes from Kentucky teenager, say EA brushed off reports of sexual harassment by seems influence this Gita Jackson. I'm gonna be the opening paragraph last week a SIMS streamer and youtuber in e as game-changer program was accused by several people in the community of sexually harassing minors online. Although we step down as a game changer on March fifth people in the SIMS community are still left wondering why it wasn't addressed months ago. Because some of the people who say they were victimized by him say they reported his actions to the seems development team December of last year. Multiple teenage boys say that a member of the game changer program who goes by the handle Dylan SIMS used a satis to prey on them. Obviously, if you've ever watched kinda funny games, Dale, you know, I'm a huge fan of Gita. She does amazing work over Kentucky. This is no exception. It is a gigantic piece that goes. And I just caught it before we went live. It was a thing of I in our video game commentary show. There's not much commentary. We can give this. Don't be a fucking monster. And if someone has victimize you speak out about it, please don't be afraid to. I think it's a it's a chilling read for sure I'll be interested see any ripples and ramifications from it. But I think it's you know, we talk about so much fun stuff on the show. And obviously than we do talk about unfunny stuff with layoffs or this that and the other this is like such a dark thing that's influencing at least on the edges of our world. I thought I should bring it up but not necessarily focus on it. But I've every head over to Kentucky check that out. It's his report on this sexual harassment by seems influencer times. Go out one of you writes into patriot dot com slash kinda funny games. You give me your name using a platform choice in why you need help in a video game. I read here the best friends. Come and find you and everybody has fun together today. Brandon needs help it is a his username is real life squad up. He's giving me a roommate matching. So okay. It's a remain. Mashing is remain. Matching name is gun g. N n eleven doubles zero double six so one one zero zero six six what's up kind of funny games daily? My name is Brandon. And I'm looking for roommates at the university of central Florida downtown campus union west the dorm opens in the fall. So if you are interested in rooming with a kind of funny best friend, hit me up my name on the roommate matching site is gun G U N n one zero zero six six that is some next level roommates source safe this booking works. I need to know about it. And you send us a photo need to know all about this. If this works I want photos. Yeah. Chilling out. We send wearing your kind of funny shirts. I will send you Kevin to help move. You. I don't think he'll do it. I mean, he he would. But he'd be really grumpy about it. And then act like he hates it, even though he loves it. And then I'd hear about it for six months to a lot in hamburgers. Also true, or he would just have hamburgers for you in all Spock. It's. Andrea. We asked people watching live on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games to go to kind of funny dot com slash year wrong and tells what we screw up as we screwed up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later on YouTube dot com slash. Kind of funny games. Rashid dot com. Pockets or on the go. I wanna start with Dany Vic Dany, Victoria, who says three four three industries has confirmed. There will be no battle royale and halo infinite their quote was the only Biard in halo is in the only Biard in halo. He means infant is the battle rifle. Sorry. You didn't spell out infant through me. So the interesting, I didn't know that. The digital deter at a time that I had to. And you should come on guys. Doug, a deed. Okay. There's that. We're caught up to where that is. Now a lot of opinions. Okay. Hold on nanna. Biologists. Says coop had called also had connection issues in the master. Chief question the mass chief collection launch with some player. Suffering from severe server problems with major lag matchmaking trouble from beginning with nibble coop falls under multiplayer, though. Sure I'd ask for clarification. In somebody's spell it out for me. Here we go neurologist says app lay show. Okay. Good. That one's not true. By the way, the one that you have highlighted. I looked at up our was moving on. That's not that's not factual enough for me. Okay. There's a taco article on master chief question being screwed up from Adrian Okay. I am legend says you said you're gonna stream anthem on Friday. I think you mean division to you're correct. I do. Of course. Avenue. You gonna play with me. Hell, yeah. I'm fucking with me. Yeah. Man. Cool. Kevin probably too. All I bet it. Good enough. Good enough. Indeed, ladies gentlemen, tomorrow. It is widow Wednesday Thursday. It's me, you know. Neil. Jay Johnson Friday. It's me and Steve Sailer this, of course, is kind of funny games daily each and every week Dan of Roddy platforms. We run you through the nerdy. Video game news you need to know about. If you like that part of the show patriot dot com slash kinda funny games. Watch later YouTube dot com slash kind of funny games. Listen, I'm podcast services around the globe. Yeah. I know what I'll Andrew are streaming the division to you hinted. You might. Yes. I think I'm gonna go home and take care of a couple business emails because as you know, the game developers conference begins very fair to say a lot of people trying to book me now. Like, no, no. Done over. Maybe can squeeze you in packs. Yeah. The this afternoon. 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131 Dating in 'Animal Crossing'

2 Girls 1 Podcast

56:21 min | 1 year ago

131 Dating in 'Animal Crossing'

"The leaks enough girls cast is all about off honest Trenton weeping in self isolation science with me now alcoholism avenue causing amp game created more fame as you head weighed Ryan now. Here are the last humans on Earth aren't question near Record Allison Jennifer Hi Guys I'm Jen. I'm Allie. This is two girls one podcast that I believe was the sound of some whimsical animals. Crossing over a landscape met. Yes was that I animal crossing the theme to Animal Crossing New Horizons. How however that well because it may be the topic of today's episode perhaps a big. Moma gotTa love so much when you said Omega and I think we should make that thing is people say law the MGA but we haven't talked about shrimping in a while but we can get to their leader wherever we'll get back to swamping gone back to swamping quarantine. I'm Schwab every everything. Hey girls got needs. I'm swamp every day before we get too far allier performers who had a show called blogs it was a live comedy show where we use the Internet as our script. We got curious about. Who are these people behind the posts that we started a web series To one show where we interviewed people buying the post and what unscripted adventures and now a while later we've decided to do two girls one podcast with the daily dot and Matt. Hi Matt Eight again on this show as a lot of you probably already know. We're interviewing people behind Internet communities phenomenon that we find interesting and today we are touching upon the biggest thing to happen in this whole quarantine really aside the actual terrible things that are happening out there. Is Hannibal Crossing so matt? I know you involved with animal crossing with your daughter right or you playing. Oh yes okay. So maybe you can enlighten us in a simple way as to what we're dealing with here get into the weeds okay. We just want to basic rundown of animal crossing. I'm going to convey this the best way. I know how. I've been looking forward to animal crossing a new horizons. Which is the switch version? The latest game in the series. My daughter has been excited about it. Because I've been sharing media about it explaining kanter doctrine. It'd her so well so well so hard. But here's how I know that this game is like next level my wife. She's not a Gamer and she enjoys things like Tetris. She's really loves tetris. And she loves Mario Kart but that is it and for years. I have tried to say you'd Really Love Star Valley plant flowers and crops. And so great and or you'd really love this game or that game and she's what's the point. What's the goal? I need a goal. You have children to raise and homeschool while working two jobs. What's going on? No we need our gametime. Okay my daughter and I started playing the day one. My wife's been seeing US play and we said Mommy you you could move into the island. You could be our neighbor. You could do all these things she's like. I don't know I don't think so. Finally she tried. She created a character. We really we forced to do it. She joined the island and within one day. She is the hardest core animal crossing player. I have ever seen. She is motivated by grinding out. Getting cash getting flowers. There's other things they're called Nick. Miles where different activities you do in the game. Earning miles which can cash in for tickets which leads to other things she is what gamers call men maxing where you do the absolute optimal thing like she's. I questioned whether she's even having fun. She's so obsessed with this game. That's not selling it. I can go and do other things and let her generate income for the island because it's a shared space so she's cash and items that I can then trade online and and what and so we are now playing as a family and working towards goals together so she's generating income. I'm sort of like the Y- Challenge Bacon sort of but but my character is the one who can act. We can create bridges or ramps and things so we can get to different parts of the island and my daughter who is seven adores the game. She's amazing at designing clothing in this game. Like she's a good artist but I'm like blown away that she can create like Pixel art and she's making Princess costumes and she's made a shirt a doughnut shirt. That literally looks like it was from the game and the seven year old made it. It's amazing. She's an entrepreneur. I remember her business. So have you and your wife gone on a date yet and animal crossing if you consider logistical planning and gardening and Trading turn up as dates than yes. We've had very profitable successful dates on a daily basis. There's an island in animal crossing where people can go just just for dates and that is great talking about today. Thank you I thank you. So today we're talking with a person in animal crossing player also twitch streamer who built an entire island in animal crossing four dates and perhaps weddings. But we will talk about that a little bit later and it sounds freaking. Fantastic so selfless. She's built an island for people to have dates on. You can go see a tour of this on her twitch channel tour of the island all the date spots on it yet released beautiful. Like you feel like you're in outer space maybe under an ocean. It's remarkable because most the point of the game is to make a cute island where you live with your villagers and you make it your own. It's you make it your home and what Brittany has done is. She has made it for other people. It's a romance. It's a romance island. It's not her home island in a way and that is very special and giving its unique. That's awesome I can't wait till vr where you create like an island for fucking red lead island that would have been really useful during quarantine. Yeah no I really just WANNA dance party. That's all I want and I want to go on a date in animal crossing. I know it's lovely. I know yeah well. This is getting sad. Trivia got minimum crossing Trivia. It was it was really really hard for me to like. Watch a bunch of videos and read articles about you know my favorite game right now so I hope you appreciate the hard work. I did get Trivia. Going animal crossing is a Japanese video game series that came to the US in two thousand one and has had many iterations on many different Nintendo consoles games. Our beloved. Because it's a real time Mechanica tree you have seen from your research. Whatever Day and time it is in real life in the real world that is the time of day it is in the game and so that affects things in the game like villager behaviors. What bugs and Fisher moving around the island or the town that you're in. What songs are playing on the radio so the world is different depending on when in the real world you are playing the game and that is so unique to animal crossing. There's really nothing like that So in two thousand twelve There was an animal crossing released called a new leaf which was for the Nintendo. Ds and this mechanic led to a very creepy Easter Egg. So if you purchase a TV in the game you can put a TV in your house and you can turn the TV on and it the TV will show like a tennis match or a little sitcom or like little cute cooking show or whatever it'll show you stuff on TV. That's like I'm in my house watching TV and it's different little programs that turn on at different times of the day but if you're watching TV in the game at three thirty three. Am on Sunday or Monday. The TV static will abruptly changed to something super creepy homes on the Animal Crossing TV at three thirty three. Am this is just something somebody put into fuck with people this is. This is not okay. I'm writing a the TV will show a UFO and then an alien will talk to the player in a strange language parlance. Did anyone see that? The Pentagon declassified footage of UFO's and everyone is so obsessed with corona virus. Nobody gave a fuck could see that. But I didn't watch it. I watched did. Is it terrifying real? Yeah what do you I mean are definitely real. Using the only life form out there and like they're unidentified flying objects that's what they are and they move unlike anything that can be identified. And that's all I have to say I have no further information. Could confirmed confirmed business. Okay what are the next option choice. B The TV will show a screaming. Female you're Ray. You're Ri- probably pronouncing that wrong. It is a Japanese ghost from Japanese folklore. Who CANNOT REACH THE AFTERLIFE? So like a trapped spirit. Ooh That's scary okay. Choice see the TV will show Katsuya the creator of animal crossing. Who scolds the player and tells them to go the fuck to bed. Emphasis added it. He doesn't actually say Fuck I. I said that I was GonNa say I think is pretty wholesome game for wholesome game kind of sweet but I also feel like I need to be on Brandon. Choose where we can say see. I feel like I've been choosing I lately. And you've been diversifying okay. Why why don't you take a and I'll take. Allie goes with the aliens of course and Jen goes with the Japanese developer. Telling him to go to bed. We'll find out the correct answer after this commercial break. How low everybody you know who this is. It's still jen anymore. 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It's similar thing what's meant they're both stupid is when you walk barefoot on the Earth and it's supposed to be healing in some way you know. I actually saw somebody doing that. This winter in the catskills out for a winter hike like still snow on the ground everywhere like is on the ground and some guy comes by and he's got he's gathered like sticks in his hand and he's walking barefoot are with him and they have shoes on but he was adamant both like what the it was so strange completely barefoot on a trail. It was like a long hike up a waterfall. Like not an easy hike. So people are doing it maybe. That's the Vegan Hamster Guy. I've literally never heard of hamster gazing before so and I'm sorry is the Hamster Vegan or is the Guy Vegan or the is the gazing Vegan. Sounds like the hamster is Vegan. But what's answer? I up usually Vegan. I think yeah I got to do more research on this or you got to contact the guy who you met because that's what happens. I've let my vetting process. Be a little less stringent because we could use the cash. If I'm being honest that all right so trivia what are we getting? The beloved animal crossing franchise is full of really wonderful Easter eggs. Little things you can interact with surprises around every corner. And if you are a little bit obsessed with the game and you find yourself playing at three thirty three. Am on a Monday. Or a Sunday in at impressing new leaf. You'RE GONNA get surprise if your television is on. What creepy thing happens Ali? You chose a that a ufo. An alien will appear and speak in a strange language choice. B was a Gerais. A Japanese ghost will appear or see the choice that Jen chose the creator of animal. Crossing will tell you to go to bed sticking with those answers yes please imagine. It is three thirty in the morning in real life. And you're laying in your bed or you sitting on a couch with your handheld Nintendo. Ds It's dark in the game and it's dark in real life and then this happens. That is a super creepy alien. Just comes on your TV randomly and go to bed. I guess and say that kind of scared the shit out mid day. We need a translator text. It's all the Games all about reading. So you're reading the text constantly. The alien has no text. It literally just comes on surprises you when you least expect it. Three thirty in the morning says something and then disappears Matt. Have you seen it only on Youtube on the? Yeah that's scary. I feel like Ali normally quiet. Which means she is scared. Scared St classified information from the Pentagon. That's what that video is really what's going on. Yeah okay friends. It is time for our interview please. Welcome our guest who is a twitch streamers an entire island for animal crossing dates and weddings. We have just learned. Please welcome lady Brittany. Welcome Higher Buddy low. How are you? I am good playing crossing while we do this. Podcast yeah I feel like as a twist. Schumer I know how to multitask thank you. So what's going on in the animal crossing right now? I'm not beats and stuff all over that I needed to pick and just my daily talking to villagers saying hi my God I feel like I would love this game talking to villagers picking now really five right now in New Hampshire you Adam. Somebody photos of hanging out with their neighbors social distance wise. Yes so there was a gap there. Okay Okay let's let's focus on on Lady Brittany. When did you notice that people were having dates in animal crossing? I guess I should preface that. I built this island regardless of people were going to have dates every video game. That has you name a town ever. I've always named you penalty which is from the lion king to and it means love weight from the Lion King. Yes so I've made it two straight to video release. I presented this song sing. I mean you should just youtube. Video is super worth. It doesn't sound worth it. It's a door now is the door. And you're slow. Yes it's love I'll so I had already had the plan of having my whole island. Be Mermaid themed in space themed with some kind of love aspect and having cute little spots where you guys pictures because you can take amazing pictures in animal crossing. I was like I just want to have cute little date spots to just come take pictures. And like have my. I'll be nothing but really nice. Every every aspect is a really nice picture. No matter my island it looks pretty. I wanted to have that for myself. Just because that's what I thought would be fun for me and be true to like me as a person and then and then I got approached by like everybody wanting to have dates that I was not prepared for like Random People. I did not dates and so now hosted almost a dozen dates. I have four weddings planned in June. And one of them is my mods to my mom's getting married now on my island so guy she'll get back the fuck up so wh so you said people just started having dates there but like how did they discover you like what was the first. State. How did that happen? I it was just with a couple of my friends. Actually I guess technically the first one was with me and my friends slather when I did the island tour that I had sent you guys of the clip of. Here's where island Tories. I guess technically that was probably the first day because we went on all ten dates. What was your friend's name slither win like like like Harry Potter slither is GonNa say a Harry Potter reference is La. Have you ever heard of that? Those stories a Harry Potter. They they were made into films. Well it's but it's different slither and you said slither win. Is that what you say? Yes he's a he's a shut up so he He's another concept greater that I really good friends with and it took us like a half hour to film the entirety of the tour. He was Super Super. Patia of letting you take like a bazillion. Pictures he added snap was a slur in and in the end he was good. So but spoiler call so we can post that tour to our discord so y'all can check it out this cord dot com slash is that what is it last two girls. I okay wait. So how do people find you? How did these days start Levinas streamlined? Just told my stream. Hey you guys want me to host on host today and then I posted that tour on my twitter and then polly gone reached out and was like this is a but colleague on only found me from another content creator who is dumb Lover Curious Suffo- and she had posted that she had changed her tender bio to have animal crossing dates and then polygon reshot to her. And she's like no. You need to talk to the Lady Bird Nubia. She isn't attire island about this. Like I'm just. I'm just being stupid on the Internet. So they came in contact with be on twitter and I happen to be live. Says like just come see the Ireland on my twitch. I don't like I don't have a thing yet. So then I made the tour as they put it in the article in late my twitter and my twitch and then expanded from there you're maximizing this time in quarantine. I'm having a blast. I really WANNA go on a date in animal crossing but I have to get an Nintendo switch right. Yes fuck this noise. I don't game that. Seems like a big investment okay. We'll talk about that later. So can you describe the island a bit more for us? Especially what are these like romantic scenes that you're talking about like visually? What does it look like so our listeners? Get idea when you come onto an island and come off the plane and then you immediately walk into what I offer made entrance. And it's nothing but gloom her own roses which are roses are the rarest of the game and a bunch of like seashell stuff. That's customized Pearl. So it's to our troops and for waterfall are for. Shell fountains and then to the big fountain so it's like a really Nice Scar Plaza into the positive and then the first date spot is a grove of trees with a little swinging bench with a row of candles. Walking down the little pass to the bench so that you could sit pictures on the bench surrounded by trees and candles and Hermanus on my God. This is so romantic. This reminds me of like the curated dates on the bachelor where there's like. Suddenly a violinist playing out of nowhere said something about the. It's you land. And then there are the rarest flowers there. Yeah so does that mean that you also like are doing really well in animal. Crossing are able to have these flowers. That other places can't have. Is that how that works at this? The game has probably not true. But I've had the flowers for about three weeks but I had my entire life my entire community. We spent a week of real lifetime doing nothing but flower greeting so we would come in. Everybody would water flowers. I would skip a day. Everybody would come in water. Flowers skip a and we spent like hours upon hours upon hours of nothing but just flower breeding so that I could have all roses that I wanted so I wouldn't be at this point if I didn't have like ten other people that had constantly helped me for like a week straight. When you say your community what do you mean? Who are all these people that helped like everybody in my string community so like people in my moderators friends? That I've had for years or like just chilling and chat like yeah. I'm not crossing ultimata flowers and just work basically marriages foot. Everybody to work laughably. Yeah did like I had redone island several times. We spent the orchard six times before I got it how I wanted it and then changed again once. I got this island layout it was a stupid of our It's a true you have to be present for the dates because you host them and is that weird. No it's not weird and yes I do. I'll either hi my house and let people do whatever or if they want me to. I will follow them around and take pictures from like far away so they can sit on the little date spot and take their little close up picture but I can stand at the bottom of whatever there and take a cute picture or take a picture off to the side so they get different angles. When you're just like chilling on the island you could theoretically leave go about your life right. I mean you can't leave burned quarantine but you know what I mean like you just you just have to be like kind of logged in and present. Is that right? Yup Basically I had to make sure my switch doesn't fall asleep. I've changed my stunning. So that doesn't happen but if you're switch falls asleep it will shake everybody off the island. That's one way to end bad date. You know what I mean yes. I've changed my settings to make sure that doesn't happen But usually if if somebody's on my island unusually streaming and they know that really. I'm just hanging out talking to chat saying hey were hosted a date right now. We're talking about animal crossing talk about life what you could go about your business on the island. I like alleys. Oh you could walk away and make a sandwich and I'm thinking like no there are weeds to pull and fish catch on the other side of the island so that you're not interrupting the date his if I'm hosting on my island the island is pristine. There's not a single eaters amazing. Oh my gosh guys. I've been on a lot of dates. I went on on Saturday so interesting. Well it seems to me that this is so cool because of how interactive it is. He described like the photos. You can take in the different areas. People can be an what else can people do together on dates especially for animal crossing novices. Like us who don't entirely understand like the way that people are interacting here. We'll so one of the things that I'll be doing and one of the weddings that hosted. I can't do a day if people want to is bull host games so there's a timer in the game that you can set a timer for three minutes five minutes ten minutes or fifteen and then it doesn't ready set go for everybody to see so even if they're stream delay from streaming everybody starts at the same time no matter what so you can do a fishing contest you can do a contest where you have to catch the most fish or the most bugs Surprise you can also use that to play hide and go seek You can also use that to play sardines which is reversed high-density where one person hides. Everybody goes to find them. Usually most people are just like walking around someplace different and like think of it like walking through a park day. It's kind of like that. You may just go. You go for a walk. You take us down to ensure something and you have a conversation so most people are just coming here to like feel like they've gotten away and gone somewhere. Was that actually physically going somewhere that may sets. That's so lovely. Because it's someone who is sort of dating and quarantine you know you gotta start getting creative and like the first you know what I mean so I'm wondering do you have repeat. Couples will the word. They'll have their first day and take a welcoming island in the second date and play games. 'cause like in my own trying to level up the day it's like you have zoom chat. I fine but then like the second date me. In the sky like built forts in our respective living rooms. You know what I mean. You gotta like do something. That's so fun. I do something different every day of the week salon. I have a set schedule of on these days. I do these kind of cross director. So I'll do stuff on Wednesday where we do. Wishing Wednesdays for example so I- host shooting star and I saw all have people com- and everybody can stay for about twenty minutes half an hour so that a lot of people can catch shooting stars and they'll just sit take pictures and do shooting stars in the Galaxy Garden. Sunday Games Thursdays. We do tournaments Saturdays. We do Social Saturdays. So I've had gone to go visit other people's Ireland's but they've had both of them there and they give me a tour of their island but like they're having a date some interrupting their date for the be. Give me a tour and I'm like what are you doing there like we want to have on your island Sometimes you don't know what it is hanging like what's going on. So how do people find your island though are maybe that's just an animal crossing but you know like just to see shooting stars like how does one find you so they either have to ask me as a friend on the switch but usually what you do animal crossing has set up to her? If you WANNA online to anyone you set. Let's call the Doodo coat it's five. It's combination of fine either numbers or letters or a combination of both. And you send that to you. Want it to be too so if I'm hosting a set a Dodo code and also specifically to the two people who need it or one person and then they send it to their significant other. So there's another element to this that we haven't talked about yet. Which is the idea that these are live streamed are? They live streamed if so our audiences interacting with them if I'm lying streaming until the live streaming I've done somewhere I haven't been livestream but most people just been like. Yeah it's totally fine. 'cause THEY NARAL. I'll leave them alone but a chat doesn't interact with them in any way unless like when they get there will be like. Oh my gosh you guys look cute right when they get there. I had a whole bunch of people like dress up dates which is cute or they're in matching outfits or they've customized outfits in created special just for the dates which is Super Fun so life the only time people interact is usually when they get there And they'll say oh. My Gosh you guys look really cute or how a day and then all relay that message in game chat to them because they're not in my string finding percent of the time outside of that we don't really interact with them. My whole community is very very respectful of giving people privacy but still letting me interact with Mike community itself and being like. Hey what are you guys WanNa do? We're done with this. Do you WanNa do this do that. Or if it's on a specific down like okay. This should be done at this time. Because that's what we agreed to and then I'll do what we have played already. Everybody's pretty chill about it so your stream is generally just streaming animal crossing. And then you'll be. You'll go on pause for the dates. Yeah basically also be like animal crossing will still be up on the screen and yet around my house in decorate my house or whatever but are not commenting on the dates for the most part. Yeah that's interesting too. It gets back to an earlier question of like your viewers are not seeing the date most of the time. Unless you're going to take a picture there just seeing you hanging in your house and they know the dates going on but they're not privy trying to find like actual dates defined. Yeah that's that's great. I worry that that came out kind of negative but I think it's like really lovely that you're just like pausing everything strangers can have really nice. I start with the tour so I go through when I give them a tour and say hey. Here's everything if they're not familiar with my Because most people for the most part have just found me from the polygon article in have been like. Hey I found polly. I WANNA see your island because they picked some of the best pictures from my island and I'm like coal fine when and then I have to give the mature because they have come into stream to see my island so I start off their date by giving them a tour of the island if they want and if they don't want one I'm like Kay cool go have fun. Shops are open. Or whatever I'll be in my house may be but I don't consider it part of their day because like I'm just giving them a tour of my island and then I leave them alone. Tashaun have their eight right. We would love to hear about some of the best and or were states. If you can share that you've posted or like the longest shortest any like novelties. Stick out to you. The best that I had was last week we had a couple that found me from polygon had never watched me on twitch but started watching after that because I was so nice which was really cool for me. And they came on and had custom-made outfits specifically for the day which I thought was really sweet and I said Oh my gosh you guys dressed up for the date. That's adorable and they were like we dress up for real dates like dress dress up like they go to the nines for all of their real dates even if they're just going to like. Wendy's or something. Oh rest applied to the nines and I was like. Oh that's so nice that this is like a real date for you just like we're to go have fun in animal crossing so. I thought that was really really sweet. One of the dates that I had that was like a L- areas it was on wishing Wednesdays. I had been getting ready to kick out the group that was currently wishing I had two people back to bag hosted by as a channel point on twitch and I was like what A. Hey y'all we can notice the date I if it's channel point redemption. I'm supposed to do it right that like I'm supposed to if I'm able to I do it right then. The only exception to that is Tuesday's. I don't do any channel On Tuesdays so I was like okay. Who Do you want to go on a date with? They're like I'm single. Want people to have a date and I was like what and it was for my two moderators and I was like are you serious. They're like yeah. I'm leaving the island so that they can have date night. And I'm like they're already here. The abdomen the night surrounding okay. So the by two moderators redeem hosted. A by to stayed on my island catching stars for the rest of the night and took up. Two spots knows like this is their fault. Sorry Mark People can't wish on stars my MoD suck. Did you firearm? After they no longer know I absolutely I have. I have some of the best months over there. Super Super Super Great. There are actually two of the people that are going to get married here June so they got our age. Let's dive in first of all get engaged in animal crossing second of all. Tell us about the wedding plans so they got engaged last night. Animal crossing in June is coming out with a wedding update. So they're like really embracing mean how many couples have gotten married in animal crossings. You know I don't know that it specifically for other people the way that they've announced it in the game that you can take anniversary pictures. It's a way for them to introduce more of the characters in animal crossing that are currently in the game. So what New Horizons has done? Is they're slowly incorporating new aspects to the game as we go through the year June of day will be the wedding season and we get a little area where we take anniversary pictures for two different villagers that in previous games. They've like completely just ain't no or business partners but now we get to go see them get married. So like Laura's they're expanding on the story of animal crossing. It's not necessarily for us to get married for ourselves. We're just supposed to set up a little area in then have to villagers. Take you wedding pictures. I am sure everybody's going to use it to get married. I know that we will be using it for that because I was like. We're doing weddings. We're not doing them to the wedding. Update 'cause it's got a whole bunch of wedding stuff like flowers and benches and decorations and all sorts of like stuff. You would see at a wedding. So you're moderators are getting married. Who are the other couples getting married on your island my friend Miranda? I'm getting my session was. Have you been on a data animal crossing? I guess yes you have married in real life like the best person in the world my but Miranda Miranda And she streams on youtube mostly. She's making the switch to twitch very slowly but she she had some guy in chat control her super And was like Lake Mary. You're so pretty. Oh my gosh. Just wouldn't stop and ours Oh I'm done with this and I happen to have a re in my shops a animal crossing so I bought the ring and I was like. Can I come over to your island? She's like yeah but come on over so I come over and I like wraps this ring up in a president and I I gave it to her and then she opens it and she's streaming the entire time the savvy and I say will you marry me like chat while this guy. Still like being super of nauseous chat right and just being completely inappropriate to my friend. She was like yes Mary. I was like sweet when we get married. She goes whenever you want. I said cool. We'll figure it out so I did this to just Kinda shut this guy down because he was being obnoxious Just won't have it but also just because Miranda and I are best friends so it will be fun for us to do this as like just for fun right. Obviously I love her to death but like we're not getting married because we're like in love but the way that her and I are doing. Our wedding is very very different because we both stream so what we're going to do for ours is an island tour where we're going to send out a message to everybody that we want to invite to our wedding and say hey instead of you coming to our island to have a wedding or going to invite six people to my island six people to her island and then we will go the to us to all of our friends islands and they set up a little area for us to have a wedding and they invite whatever five people they want to invite and we to go on a tour of all of our friends. Islands a dual wedding tour instead of just one because we have too many friends honestly having a day of weddings. You're basically we haven't set a date yet because I don't know we don't know how the wedding day is. GonNa be and we want to give people time who don't time travel in the game. Skip ahead a day or whatever to get stuff time to set stuff up so it's probably going to be like mid June or so before we do it for US everybody else. I've got specific on the island. That already has like huge walk down. I'll all I have to take out a bench and put like a little archway of flowers or something there so it'll be a really easy change for me to change. One of my date spots are being acute date spot to being a wedding video. Do you have any plans to like? Open a real resort once all this quarantines over I good at no. It's really you have a future as a cruise director. This is so my my dream job outside of talk. If I could just dream all day I totally would if I could. If I could do this as a job I would do this. I Love I love stripping. I've had a blast with it but if I wasn't going to stream and I was going to have a real life adult job. I would want to be a wedding planner slash event organizer for conventions. Oh Cool Jane Con pop cons. Comecon all that jazz like that would be the jury got it lady Brittany. Go do it. What's stopping you? There's this wonderful thing called money that you need as an adult. I can't afford to go back to college because we have adult bills and adult things that we have to pay for as adults so I don't have the time to go back to school to get that degree that that is required for me to be that field like in order for me to be in that field. I can't just be like I have all of this experience planning really cool things because I have a ton of it. 'cause I like planning I am required to have a degree. Even when I've apply it places. Yes I've tried on my own with this one which was a rare situation. I know I've tried. I will go back to schooling degree eventually but if I can if I can stream I'm just going to be perfectly honest and I'll do cool things alley. I really want you to have a date on Britney's island I did too and I have to get We don't neither of us have switch darn it. I have questions from our discord server for Brittany questions from the discord server. Discord Baby People are excited about this episode. We have some questions regarding the marriages of Intimacy Gandhi and Janice web asks similar questions of like. How seriously do people take the weddings? Like we've seen viral weddings Pop Up in the Animal Crossing sub at and clearly you're hosting them and obviously they are not legally binding but like are these people who are going to get married anyway are there are people who treat these as binding marriages or are they. Are they really just for fun? And have you seen any backlash are the of like all these are not real marriages any like? Stodgy people who are getting upset about this. So there is a couple doesn't know I'm hosting their wedding like all of their real life. Friends are surprising that they're all teachers. They play this game together when they're not teaching right and they can't have a wedding in real life now because of quarantine so this is just a really cool way for their friends to say. Hey we support your marriage. We support you guys as a couple. We support you for the rest of your life. I know that a lot of the weddings that I'm GonNa host are probably just for fun but I also know that a lot of the dates that I'm having a real dates and a lot of the weddings. I'M GONNA have a real weddings where they're actually wanting to get married. I'm wanting to celebrate the fact that they're in love but can't do that with their friends because they can't see their friends but everybody in the world for the most part except for these two mos crossing a so like even people who've never played this. WanNa play this game because everyone else around this playing this game and they're searching for that connection. Yeah me too. So everybody's got an intendo. Switchmen me this is crazy expensive. I know they might be inexpensive of front cost. But the amount of time that you're gonNA spend him play yes right. But that's kind of horrifying to me that I'll drop and it'll suck my life away you know. I'll do hours on this game so frightening to me. Once they get it. I'm going to go down that wormhole I don't know I just want to go on eaten animal crossing just needling borrow someone switch one more. This is a great question from another member of listener our discord community almost surely who is a a player of Animal? Crossing he asks. How do you manage the NBC's? How do you keep random villagers and merchants from interrupting the dates and for the benefit of Jen like the characters that live on your island the other animals just go about their business and they could be wandering around sweeping up picking apples whatever? So do you lock them in their houses? Would he do on? I just let them her so with animal harassing you. Just kinda except the villagers. I kinda deal if I go to a restaurant. I don't expect there to not be anyone else. Bear true exactly like your waitress is going to walk up while you're in the middle of the conversation as if you want another drink or if you WANNA refill or if you want anything else like you're GonNa get interrupted unreal day so most people don't care if they're taking a picture they're like. Oh get a friend of mine critical. Just wait till the villager moves so they all get really excited when they come to my island because I have the best villagers anyway not from like I think. The best life legitimately if you pull up a list of best villagers. I have all so like no big deal. But you're kind of a big deal in animal crossing. I mean I'm a big deal. Yes like people are just like thrill that like. You're you're villagers pop and by yeah. Usually they've been around them explain. You should explain the tier listings and why they're important for the villagers okay so tier one is the top ten talk ten or top fifteen and then tier two is fifteen through forty five or and then tier two continues tier three continues after that until you get the tier. Six words just like the villagers. Nobody wants a lot of the new villagers are up there because their new right so like if I joint to clarify these are the animals that they're not human players. They are the villagers that moved here island. And also I'll add that there's nothing intrinsically better or worse about the these top tier villagers in the game. This is literally thousands of players voting to say we think Raymond is the best of the best villager. Because he's like a well dressed sexy looking cat and we think he's the best and if you have Raymond is Your Matt. Thinks cats are sexy. I'm just speaking on behalf of the entire animal crossing canal. That's yeah now. That's how animal crossing feels about Hannah. Raymond he legit is is. He is sexy but like if you happen to randomly get one of these villagers on your island. There are marketplaces where you can. Then trade the villagers by like forcing them to move out to other players for millions of dollars. And it's unbelievable so the fact that Britney has like the top of the top Kerr villages are worth like Jillions of bells or money in the game cool law. She's the hardest core player I've ever. Oh my God so they get excited because I do have remained. I Have Julian. I have audie on his new. She's a woman she's cute. I have judy who she's literally the villager embodiment of My Island. Like if there was a villager. That looks like my eyelids Schutte. She is blue on one side of her in pink and purple on the other and like she is an hombre bear and she has star so she is literally Mermaid's Keller's was star. Is She sounds. Author could best benefit you. She's perfect props to duty. And then I have marina. Wait with Marina. Marina is my personal favorite villager. Before judy she's little octopus. So Still Mermaid to issues bianca is a white leopard with purple spots She's not super high up but she's she's I like. Arca is a cat that looks like an adjunction cat. She goes was. Who's a mommy dog? She also sexy cat now. She's a grumpy. Little girl found that access. She looks like an Egyptian princess so I just want to emphasize that these tears are completely subjective. They have no meaning in the game. It is just what the community is obsessed with and I fucking love that Juliette Saly Unicorn so own. Oh my goodness okay. He's a Unicorn that has all the Galaxy Celeste stuff in his house so his whole house is super extra all gold furniture cloud Fokker. We have one more space for a resident on our island and my daughter would lose her mind. If a Unicorn came to our island so we'll keep an eye out for this. All sounds so whimsical and the perfect way to get out of the real pandemic ye world so Ken. I'll see you guys later. Our final question. We were curious just to hear your thoughts overall on like. Why do you think animal crossing has become a place where people are interested in connecting romantically? So I think that's just partially because of when animal housing out like animal crossing right win the entire world not locked down right like this which has been out for what two years now almost three and we just got in crossing and this animal crossing is by far the best one that they've ever done so it's a combination of everybody was already waiting for the game to begin with if you're not you're stuck in your house and you have nothing better to do and all of your friends playing animal crossing and you probably have a switch because it's the most family friendly user friendly console on the market right now and is incredibly worth the amount of money and is portable. And if you weren't thinking marketing animal crossing you probably got it because all of your other friends did in our like. This game is amazing. Everybody wants to play something together. In one section activity regardless of its romantically but if you wanted to connect romantically chances are the person you're trying to connect with yard house stuff in common with them. And if you're a Gamer and you're finding another game chances. Are they have animal crossing or has thought about getting it and later on down the road are GonNa get it so that you can't have a date anyway all right all right. I'll get it. I don't know that it's necessarily romance. Is You just a need for connection as a whole but because gamers are trying to connect with other gamers in general? This is a nice middle ground for them to have a date. That feels like a real date because they wanna go on dates but they can't do that without sacrificing their health or their livelihood or whatever. Well thank you lady Brittany. You have inspired me to have better dates in real life but also potentially animal crossing you and Adam are crushing. He hid waffles for you. What's pretty everyone knows him already? Obsessed with Jen's boyfriend I think to the best couple ever and then every new thing I learned. I'm like fuck man that's crazy so well I don't know we don't like catch stars together or chill feasible unless animal crossing. You can't catch stars Jennifer just thinking. It might be fun to have like a director for our dates. Yeah I know yeah you need a cruise director for sure we use that anyway. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been awesome this. You sound like a good person. I try that just gave me such a feeling of escape from quarantine like I wish I could play but almost as hearing her. Describe it like transported me. It sounds so lovely. I WANNA get a switch but not while all of our work is crumbling. By the way you can visit Patriot dot com slash two g one big belly switch. I just think She and her friend really lovely. They just spent a lot of their time trying to bring other people joy and honestly like it. Sounds like the stuff you can do? An animal crossing is like like we said like exactly what I wish. I could just be doing all the time in everyday life decorating. I obviously agree with her about the investment cost and so when you think about how much entertainment you get from if you go to a movie while it's like twenty dollars and then you get popcorn and then you get like two hours of entertainment and that's like thirty dollars or would depending on what city you live in. But yes switches cost three hundred dollars and yes you gotta buy a sixty dollar game but this is the kind of game that you can play every day for multiple hours for everyday like you will not be able to experience the entire game until you've been playing it every day for an entire year that's how much entertainment you get out of it and it's not boring like they're so much to do that you're constantly you constantly want to come back to how you define value like. I'm to Taipei where I'm like. Well learn a skill. You know what I mean. We're GONNA UKULELE or it could be gaming. I don't know for me. I'm just to unto Anal what it is for me. I don't watch television anymore. And so the the time it's like how I just WanNa chill out do well a lot of people watch. Tv and movies. I just really don't watch a lot of television. I choose to spend time on games like this and that's a sacrifice I make a productive person. I still hold down my job. So that's you know. Yeah Yeah that's the thing is. I'm actually trying to watch more TV. Because I'm watching it. But I really do want to go. I went on a bath. Tub date with the sky. Carl and he I I can remember. I think he brought it up and I was like. Oh my God I've been wanting to do that about going on a date animal crossing but then we both realized that Nintendo which you all probably remember Elliot is streaming some of her dates on twitch alley. They are you still doing. I sort of am I just like forgot. How Boring dates are so? I thought the first one with Karl on the Bath Topa Fun and then I think all of them are kind of downhill. No offense to the guys who came on who are like good sports but like dating is boring but I think if I do it more. I'm going to figure out how to like Super Gay Mafia. Where like the audience can basically like be rating are compatibility the whole time? And if we don't reach a certain compatibility level the datus ends just like more ways for people like interact and like have stakes that it's Ryan for everyone so I'm sort of doing that but yet switch dot TV slash alley gold. What guys we would love to hear from you. All how you are game affirming your dates in quarantine whether you're on a first date or a hundredth day. It was somebody and have you been on a date and animal crossing. And what has that been like? You can tweet at me at June. Bugger J. O. B. U. G. G. E. R. Is is about like buy me a switch. You can tweet me at Allie gold ally. Go L. D. slammed most. Dm's you can leave us. A to g one PODCASTS. At Dot Com you can also text. Us Love the tax android. Leave us a voicemail. Love those even more. That phone number is three four. Seven six five four eight that number three seven six late and join our discord. Elliott's discord one. So join us. I'm sure lady. Britney will be there if you're not familiar with this court. 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Still Buffering: "Hey Arnold!" (1996)

Still Buffering

50:04 min | 1 year ago

Still Buffering: "Hey Arnold!" (1996)

"Colo welcome to still buffering a cross generational guide to the culture that made us I am Riley Swirl. I'm sitting maccarone and I'm Taylor Smell. Was THAT RIGHT. I gotTA stumbled over. I don't even know if it was right or not. No it was good and I was right in there with my name. You worry you remember your name this time and the podcast isn't haunted anymore. Yeah have my voice back I'm very excited that you're living out a plot of Dawson's creek right now We had to that. We had to record our episode a little early. 'cause Riley has got to get to campus. What do you have to do on Campus Riley? You meet me say it. I have to withdraw from a class. She doesn't have to. I don't have to your shoes ing using to to preserve you know what this is good. I'm glad I am saying this. I am choosing to to preserve my future mental health. And that is that is honestly why that's better. I withdrew from class once in college because I was going to get a b. In it. I was afraid I wasn't sure but I was afraid it was going to be a be a and it was going to rack my perfect. Gpa sounds very That was not healthy. I do not feel proud of this. I am not endorsing it. I have meeting that. This was the truth. I have a one hundred in this class right now and I really respect the professor but it's a two and a half hour seminar once a week and we have to read like a book a week and it's a graduate level course and I'm a sophomore and I did not realize how hard upper level this course was before signed up for it and I don't expect migrate to stay this high so I'm just trying to preserve myself the futures just trying to maintain a good grade by withdrawing from the class and taking it again a few years. Did you ever withdraw from class today? no. I had one class that I never once went to ever. How does that work? I you know I've never heard that word is it was like this free draw plus that. Ah Nightmares it. Was this free class that it didn't affect your GPA. Just like it had an instructor you showed up and you like drew from your managing. It sounded very fun. But because I knew it didn't affect my GPA. Like when I had other work to just be like how that sounds really cool but I don't really think I can make it this week and then I just realized I got the end of the semester is like well heck. I never went to that class was it was only after that that at an art show. I met the professor and he said Oh I had you in my class but you never came and was like. I'm sure you've got the right personality. Shows me is your name. Oh know your name because I said it every week. You could've played that off because they probably said Julia and you could be like nope. No well that was a whole other confused in college because like teachers that I was comfortable with news Taylor but teachers and intimidated me. New Means Julia so I had like two identities that just sort of depended on which one we should clarify. Taylor's given first name is Julia. I don't know if they're actually that on the show. Your your middle name is technically Taylor. Gone by Taylor your entire life. I really enjoy watching the confusion on twitter whenever you post art and you sign it. Gts people are always like. What does the Jason Just just smirl? This is this is a plot of a episode of Dawson's Creek. Does Dawson withdraw from Class Dawson? Joey it's called the lost Dawson. Joey is at Worthington. She's taking a course from professor wilder. Who is so dreamy and and it's a very challenging English class. She's an English Major. It's very challenging like writing workshop class thing and she keeps like not doing as well she wants to and she decides. It's just too challenging. She's got too many classes. She's going to drop this class and she spends like the whole episode trying to drop the class because the professors because you have to talk to the professors before you can drop it. Yes we have to agree to let you draw me. And so she waits in this big online. She gets to him. She tells him and he's like okay. Fine whatever so he signs a slip she takes it to the office to turn it in and they're like very funny Miss Potter. This says Oscar Wilde because he tricked her tricked her and then she goes back and he argues with her. And she's like but I don't WanNa be in your class because I'm not going to get a great grade and I don't think I'm good enough. And he's like write down how you feel about it and so she writes about Oliver feelings then she turns it into him and he gives her name minus and then she throws the drop slip in the trash. That's not how I feel like this meeting with signs because Meanwhile Audrey dossier story we're not talking about Dawson's Creek now wherever all. Oh we again. We will pick that on your weeks. Yeah this is not your week. Maybe you'll learn a lesson. Today's all I'm saying. Maybe maybe you don't WanNa drop. Can I just say for those of us that have social anxiety it is so it is my worst nightmare to have to go to a professor's office hours in look them in the eyes and say? I'm going to withdraw from this class. You are teaching me and then have to give them an explanation. That is good enough for them not to just be like. Oh okay. You're that kind of student. This is my worst nightmare. I have been reading this and having nightmares about this for a week. I even emailed her ahead of time and I was like. Can I just like come in really quickly? And you say my paper. Because this is why am withdrawing because it's easier to write an email and say that in person and she said you know what you're a great student. Let's talk about this before you choose to withdraw. Come meet with during office hours and I was like why do I know she's GonNa talk you out of it no I already. I told my roommate she's GonNa try. She's GonNa tell me she'll work with me. But I refuse I am helping future Riley and I am not letting talk me outfit and when I come on this podcast next week I will be in one class all right. I will say everybody if I don't then she talked me out of it because I easily pushed over. I think Joey Potter regretted keeping professor wilders class especially with everything that happens later. Oh my gosh. Okay Dawson's Creek Newsweek. It's Taylor's with yeah. We're we're GonNa talk about something a little less dramatic. I wanted to talk about Hey Arnold A. It was a cartoon that started in. Nineteen ninety-six on the NICKELODEON network. It had five seasons created by Craig. Bartlett who I? I learned this when he actually created the Arnold character when he was working on pee. Wee's playhouse in the late eighties as a little claymation. So Arnold started his life as a claymation figure and then When he had the opportunity to pitch a series to nickelodeon he kind of went through a lot of things before. Like you know some of the exact salt a little. Hey Arnold characteristic that guys. We're let's talk about him. Some more and eventually evolved into. Hey Arnold it's funny because I I read all that too and I Charlie is a big Fan of pee. Wee's playhouse she is. We have watched all of the Series Of pee. Wee's playhouse several times in our house In recent years I know we watched it when we were younger but like in recent years. So it's it's fresher on my mind and When I saw that I started to think like we'll surely and then click the penny cartoons. Yes he was. He was the penny and then it was like. Oh my gosh how would I never put it together because he the hat between the two sprouts have hair. It has same so that the head is very similar now. The clothes and stuff are different but like the Arnold head is the same and I was like how have I never connected this? How did I not just know? This is arnold from the penny cartoons. I never knew that. Yeah I also didn't realize it started that early because I mean it started for years before I was even born but I remember watching it like a good amount growing up like I remember it being on TV and watching a good amount of hey arnold in my early years of watching for ten possible. They showed a lot of reruns. I I don't know if it was the movies. Did they come out later they do. These came out later and I don't think because it wasn't like five consecutive seasons of are over five years. I don't think it ended took thousand four. Yeah so I think it was kind of like the season. The seasons were pretty long too and then like a lot of reruns and then another sees. Yeah I probably just saw reruns And I guess because the the most recent movie just came out in two thousand seventeen. Yeah which I remember. Being Hotel Room and catching that on TV like like late night and hotel advised to watch. And I'm like wait. What is what this is sorry. Hey Arnold going on What makes you? What makes you love? Hey Arnold much you know I. I was a big Fan of lot of the choosing this. I thought back like I felt like a lot of those cartoons as an adult. They were funny at the time. But you know it was like gross out humor. It was kind of the same. Like sort of violence in like hyper hyperactivity that was sort of trademark of like nickelodeon cartoons at that time that I loved didn't really that was it was fun for me as a kid. Hair had a lot of heart to its rewatching adult I. I was really surprised to see how rarely if ever they try to like. Wrap things up in a neat little package. How rarely they try to really drive home like a lesson? You know things don't really work out in that world and I think hey arnold did a lot of I mean it presented. Something that I think was a lot more to kids as far as developing how you looked at the world you know. I think that's interesting. I- i- rewatch some of it Since we since last week so that I can refresh my memory and That is very true which is not common. I even I feel like I watch a lot of cartoons. These days is not necessarily common on kids shows even today that idea that like part of the kid experience is that things like you. You can only affect so much change in your circumstances at any given moment and so like sometimes you do the best you can and things might get a little bit better but you didn't really fix the thing and then something else happens. And that was that and you move on which is very that sounds very anti-climactic but like that's often the case when you're younger heck maybe throw a wife that our lives. Don't have the like every every story we encounter doesn't have this great art where there is like the conflict and then this great resolution and everything's wonderful until we encounter our next problem. Yeah just more Kinda keeps on plodding along right. Yeah like I one of the episodes that I was just watching the list. Arnold tries to have the perfect Saturday and do everything that kids supposed to do. On a Saturday and And everything goes wrong like he can't really check anything off the list and I mean that's the episode. You know you'd think I don't know to me. It was like like end with like him. Having somehow a better day than ever or whatever but it Kinda does end with like everything goes wrong. He comes home. His his grandmother is playing a piano on the roof. And he's kind of looking down the street and seeing like like a car crash in like other things are going wrong. And he's just sorta like well. That was the day like it was. You know there's not a bow on it. It's just kind of like yes. You don't get what you want. And that's the lesson it's just that it's very born of the nineties in that sense because I feel like as I was thinking I was trying to come up. With other cartoons. That felt that way to me and I couldn't come up with a lot of animation that made me feel that way but I felt I feel like like my so called. Life would be a good. You know what I mean like a corollary to that like there were a lot of shows like that At like that was a very late nineties. Kind of philosophy And this idea that even as young people I don't know I I feel like it was even built out of like the Eighties. Like with the breakfast club and that kind of thing. There's there's a little bit of nihilism to it a little bit of alike apathy a little bit of A. There's only so much you can change. Let go more except that things are crappy. Sometimes I don't know it was a thing and I just couldn't think of another Cartoon that Yup embodied that yeah did that there was a there was a sense of. I think that like kind of Oh well quality I mean there is. I feel like they were. It was ultimately show. That had a lot of hope to it yet but it was kind of a deeper level of like you know. It wasn't saying like every single turnaround you'll get through it. You have to chose a very honest. Like good stuff will happen. Ambassad stuff will happen. Yeah Yeah and they won't necessarily balance out at any given time but you're guaranteed the both will continue to happen to you is that is that helpful. Is that anything absolutely well and there is a lot of. I mean I was Kinda surprised like how much I mean. I think part of it comes with the setting in which this was interesting to me. I always thought it was Brooklyn. I was sure of that in my memory. It's not it's a completely made up city called. He'll would interesting. Yeah and it's an amalgamation of the creators like the creator grew up between like Portland and Seattle. Spent some time in Brooklyn but it's kind of a Malcolm of all of those But they still kind of have the. Oh the lake mixed bag of characters like there are people from lots of different ethnic backgrounds in it. That influences influence the stories Which I thought was different than everything we were seeing on. Tv in the nineties. You know it all like you know kids in suburbs outside of that like hey. Arnold presented a very different very much more real world view of like you know it's not just there lots of different people from lots of different backgrounds. And you have to learn to work with that. I always think that's cool especially as somebody like. You said who grew up in a more rural area like the cartoons the introduce kids to the idea of like there are people who live in totally different like places areas in like this is what like it's like to grow in a more urban area. I think that's that was neat for me of August. Sesame Street does that too. And now the Casagrande's that's hard show as I was thinking about other cartoons that I watched felt very similar to. Hey Arnold to me and I do remember. I feel like most of them. I honestly were probably ninety early. Two thousands cartoons that maybe. I just ended up seeing reruns of somehow growing up but I remember watching a lot of. Hey Arnold Rocco's modern life ren and stimpy The the beaver won the two beavers that lived together angry beavers. Yeah those always felt very different to me watching those and I remember watching all of them enjoying all of them than like cartoons that started becoming popular as I was getting older like. I wrote a fairly odd parents or Daddy type stuff like that. That was different in a way that was less. I don't WanNa say less real but kind of it was less about like real world situations and I mean of course I was gonna say fairly odd parents. Yeah works like Brennan. Stimpy are not like real people but I felt like it was always a much more. Yes but I always felt like it was like. Hey Arnold in the sense that it was a much less like a fantastical storyline every episode. Yes more realistic storytelling. I guess yeah. I think that there was kind of an era where shows didn't feel the need to talk down to kids laying. You know I'm GonNa tell you a story and yeah might use slang. I might simplify a little bit because I know I'm making something for younger audience. But it doesn't have to be kids stuff. And I feel like that that element in the ninety s and ninety s cartoon specifically is why we those creators that grew up in my age group like grew up with those cartoons then went on to make the cartoons that we have. You know kind of popular today. That sort of are built off of that like I can make entertainment for people. It doesn't have to be like dumbed down for kids or or smart because it's ver- adults like a cartoon can be for anybody and it can be for people across age respect. Our audience Well and it it doesn't it also recognizes that like kids there are some grand themes that you don't have to water down for kids. The reason that they've stuck around so long. The reason that like Helga can sometimes like drop into sort of like a Shakespearean Lake sonnet sort of description of her love for Arnold. The reason that that plays with kids. Is that like the these kinds of ideas. These themes are universal their touchdowns for humans across time and age. And whatever. And like it's funny. I was watching it with Charlie. And at first you're you're not introduced immediately to the secret that Helga Loves Arnold and then when you are she went oh she loves him and she went so she pretends she hates him. I was like yeah. I mean she's five like it's not hard but it seems like a complex idea but like now kids get it making it. Yeah okay. Oh she's hiding it. Yeah everybody know. She's being cool okay. I'm five I get that so everybody gets it. I don't know but it really like it. It understands that there some feelings and things that kids feel the same that we feel and they might express it differently. But if you if you show it to them they'll get it they'll pick it up and that's even like I think further exemplify at by the episode Held on the couch. I think Where Helga goes to to therapy And IT'S A it's a couple most of the episodes inherent over fifteen minutes and it's like you get to per per episode. This is one of the ones where they took the whole half hour to do it. the course of the And in this one lake you know it it. It really does a lot for a half an hour cartoon like you know. You see the stigma like her parents or embarrassed that she's been asked to go to therapy because of her behavior at school like you know it shows how people look at it like it shows how her fixation with Arnold started when he like. You know. 'cause Helga has the older sister who's perfect. And you know her parents ignore her in in lieu of the older sister and how Arnold one of the first people that was like or arnold showed her kindness when when she after day of neglect at the hands of her parents and that sort of went her fixation with him began so like what he represents. Her I don't know I mean and it but it's a it's an episode. That treats her her feelings very respectfully and also just shows I think as a kid to see the representation of a kid who feels like. They're not good enough for their parents. They act out in response to that like that was a that was. I felt like made for kids. That might be feeling that way and it's You know to show like hey. You're feeling valid. And you could talk to somebody if you like. That's you don't usually get those sort of narratives for the bully character. You know the bully is a bad person. They're bad guy in there. That's what it is if whatever bad stuff happens to them. That's the punchline of the episodes. The Bully Guy. What was coming to them. But how does the bully but also all of this stuff that makes her the way she is? And it's really painful and sad. I think that's really. I think help goes a really well. Developed characters. The series goat series goes on. And I think that's especially rare considering that the creator was male and so much of it is based on kind of his own memories of his childhood and stuff growing up and even talked about like girls that liked girls that didn't like the they're all represented on the show and you. You're you run. The real risk of not ever seen a fully developed female character. If that's the Lens through which you're creating it and that doesn't happen like she is a very well rounded fully developed character. You know all onto herself which is nice to see it is. It's not just through the lens of Arnold. She exists in her own right as her own person. I I have some popular conspiracy theories about that that I want to share. But before we do that. 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So go to honey book dot Com and use Promo Code buffering for fifty percents off your first year. That's honey book dotcom Promo Code buffering. Welcome everyone to this edition of Riley's conspiracy corner take something beautiful appear like. Hey Arnold and I think you're going to. I think you're going to enjoy this because it goes along with what you're talking about. Riley dismembers itunes there there several and this one. I think you'll enjoy and it is that really. Hey Arnold is about Helga. And she is the show's protagonist and she is most clearly developed character giving the most time to explore her inner self and her development as a character more so than Arnold and she is really the protagonist of the show and everything that happens happens to further her character. Mostly I mean I haven't watched the show is called the point. Here is the protagonist and she is not just a bully character. No I agree that she is not just a bully character and I do. I do think that Because the stories are somewhat personal for at least based on personal experiences I do think that they are somewhat like Arnold functions as the narrator right which which makes him not necessarily the details in any given tale. I mean sometimes he is. Sometimes it's a tale about Gerald or it's a tale about Helga one of his neighbors or family members so There are others but I don't I don't WanNa ruin it for you if you want to tell really excited so I don't know this is. This is the first cartoon I remember seeing conspiracy theories about when I like a long time ago like in the early days of youtube would conspiracy theory videos. I started popping up. This is the first one I ever saw video about. I thought the hideous rugrats one was the first one. I don't know that was close after which I will not. I will not discuss that So you can google it yourself. If you're interested out there but I would advise you not and I will put it a disclaimer. That the creator of the show. Did it actually a polygon article where they asked him about all of these specific conspiracy theories and he was like no? They're all fake. Of course like those. Hey Arnold yes yeah okay But the other biggest one that I remember seeing is that. Hey Arnold's real parents are actually the SL will only refer to him as Arnold actually his grandparents. They're real well. That's not the GAW definitely wrong. Because there's a whole movie where they find his parents. That right leisler preside. This was before before the movie. Well maybe the movie was made to settle that. Yeah Yeah I do not. Do you need to address that? Yeah go ahead I was GONNA I was Gonna ask because that was the whole. It seemed like such a strange change in direction to actually have this big climactic movie where they find Arnold parents. Because I've like so much of the show was like I mean. Yeah some some kids. Don't like about this kind of we don't have to have like a nice answer to everything like Arnold's parents aren't there and maybe we don't have some epic story as to why that seems very much like what a kid would build up in their head and then I feel like the way the gravity of the show would say but we don't get answers to such things as well but what if we just have a whole movie where they go to Central America. And it's it's very like it's like well. I kinda just. I loved his grandparents. I thought they were pretty good parents. In fact they had a whole episode called parents. Day where they like Show how lake grandparents are. You know how much they're there for him and how they are his parental very like. Why did we do that? I'd like to. I thought it was sweet as it was I. Would I would agree with you there. Because I actually think there's a huge amount of value into having On kids shows that representation people who are not necessarily raised by their parents Especially I always think about that because of where we live and in West. Virginia we have an incredibly high rate of children who being raised largely by another family member but by someone other than their parents specifically by often see grandparents and I think that that's really important to show that like there are so many things that are a family. I I actually think that that was a really beautiful thing that like. We don't have to know you know. Make up whatever you need to in your own head to explain it. But that doesn't need to be the important thing is he has caretakers who love him and who are invested in. Hammond and provide for him. And that's that's what a kid needs Plus if we're going to bring up the movie can I say have you all seen the Dora? The explorer live action movie. No I I just want to point out that the plot is essentially the same which came first. Hey Hey Arnold's plot all right I just WANNA point out that Dora also goes to somewhere. You know. It's not exactly clear where she's traveling. I think it's it's similar to where they make the names of locations Somewhere with her friends to seek out her parents who are lost and the friend of her parents that helps guide them along the way. Spoilers turns out to be a bad guy and was just using her to help him find the lost city and the treasurer sensually plot. This is the same plot from there. Diverts a little bit happen but right doesn't that seem odd like no one in my life has ever been like Sydney? Your parents are lost in a in a central or maybe South American. It's not clear country somewhere and we need you to come find them with your friends. Please bring your untrained unskilled friends who have no business being lost in the jungle with you but bring them along and then once you get there Surprise I am not your parents friend. I'm a bad guy. This never happened to me. It's not relatable enough. Is that what you're saying? No I'm just saying it's the plot which also by the way. Dora is a great movie. I would highly recommend it interesting. Justin I watched it with Charlie and Cooper and we. We enjoyed it. Charlie thought it was a little too intense it it. It is pretty intense but But it's actually a really good movie the The last Dora is the thing right Like she's still cheering. P Like she's in high school Laura go on like at the end of her first day of school. She's like we did it. We did it went to high school. We went to our first day. Do good job. Everybody we did it. It's great it's funny anyway. You know it took me a long time to realize that her name is Dora because the Spanish word for Female Explorers Explorer Dora. So her name is Dora the explorer. Oh I don't think I knew that that's not a conspiracy theory. That's just like this. I Love Dora. Clever and Diego Anyway. Continue with your conspiracy theories about. Hey Arnold the last one is kind of sad and we can. We can pass a very quickly but I feel like is worth mentioning because I feel like this is a conspiracy theory for every cartoon where there is a central character with lots of friends. Hey Arnold was bullied a lot for his head shape so all of his friends are imaginary and that is why they all also have unusual head shapes because he made them all up everybody in the world of pay. Arnold has unusual headship. He made them all up happening in that football shaped head. Yeah I don't I don't know Yep but also there's the one that he stuey griffin grown up but we know that's just a popular cartoon head shape. I feel also the unique outline of each character. I thought this was cool. Because it was a creator credits at to a discussion. He had with Matt groening creator of the Simpsons who basically said every one of your characters and this is a common concept in cartooning. All of your character should be recognizable by like an outline alone. But I just think like like Hey Arnold takes to the tenth degree like everything recognize just from the cutout. Yeah I think that's very true I but that's I mean honestly just like ahead outline identify the hey arnold character. I think that's helpful for kids in general for distinguishing all the characters. And then I have to imagine that that's nice for Merchandise Yeah I was thinking that as we were playing with the some little spongebob toys. Yeah I mean Cooper. I was thinking like that. I bet it's nice. They're all different colors and shapes. Yeah well if you want to go a little deeper than you don't have cartoon characters are displayed for kids that are like what people quote unquote should look like like. You don't have any like I dunno unreachable standards of what you should look like based on these popular characters because none of them looked like real people so they're all just like their their for their story not what they look like. You're never gonNA look like Helga true like nobody's trying to make their head look like Arnold. That's not nobody's going to attempt It's not like an unrealistic beauty standards. You may shape. Harm yourself in an attempt to achieve right I do like that. They have. It's funny because I hadn't remembered this until I was rewatching a that like even though Arnold is like the main character And we've talked a lot about Helga and all the action that she plays in the various stories Gerald's the same way. I was watching the one where they Have ADDRESSES FRUIT FOR HELL? That's the first episode the other first one. Okay I watched. I watched like the first. I don't know how many I just left them on and watch them throughout the day. So but It's it's funny because they don't Wanna go but Arnold would was definitely going to go to that play because hell go is the director and she would have been very angry if he hadn't showed for the school play where he fruit It's Gerald that talks him out of it and starts the whole action of the PLA Lake Gerald someone who's like don't pull that court on the bus. Let's not get off. Let's just keep going and I don't know I was just thinking like it's it's fun because all had that friend who like we were trying to like? Do like be dutiful and like do the boring thing. Yeah and then we all have that one friend. Who's like what if we didn't what are we just didn't do it. What if we didn't and like makes you feel like I'd be okay? Yes just this one I also love. I love the the kind of character cork of there's all of these like the kid lore people that have the like all the stories they tell that ghost stories about the city. They live in the weird characters in the neighborhood but that like Gerald is the keeper of the Lore like like a child. You tell the story like he's the one that knows all of the the stories of their neighborhood. I liked that they have that consistently like whenever they have one of those episodes that is kind of based around an character and their hood like Charles. The one that knows the story. He's the he's the leader really. Maybe he is the protagonist Gerald doesn't say catchy maybe no I think I think that If people feel that way about Helga imagine that it was if you were a young woman watching those shows that you were desperate for female characters that you could connect to and it's hard to find More not as much now. But when we were young I feel like it was very difficult to find characters that were nuance that had sides like it was either the good girl or the bad girl or whatever. And like if you weren't just that like I can't relate to that. Yeah it was nice to have somebody that was multidimensional. It was hard to find a female character. That wasn't just there to be the object of another usually a man's Like well or crush even in cartoons which I think is why all those Kinda like earlier early two thousands. Late nineties cartoons. Nfl in the same category like they didn't have a lot of that same normative story telling their mind me a little bit of The Judy blume books Starting with tales fourth grade. Nothing and then when it went on from there like with Super Fudge otherwise known as Sheila the great I feel like Sheila Helga would get along. Yeah you know feel like their cut from the same cloth maybe Junie B Jones there too. I did think I thought it was cool. I was. I was one of the articles that I found on. It was talking about how like people that grew up with it. How they remembered it and that there were a lot of women that really related to race. Helga I don't particularly remember because I was not. I mean. I was never a any way. Outspoken or aggressive. That's not how I was so Helga kind of scared me when I watched the show when I was younger but I thought that was I had. I could see that how you didn't have like like the show that attempted to look into the emotional depth of a girl that would have just any you know to be a young girl and see that as somebody that reminded you of your but then also see her get screen time. I'm sure was very important and different than what was going on. Well I mean especially since like if I think about like my TV idols. Who I wanted to be like when I was young Again it's hard to look to animation because they're just I mean not that I didn't watch cartoons I did and I loved a lot of them but like I don't know that I drew inspiration from specific characters as to like who I want to be like Other than maybe gadget gadget definitely. Yes but there weren't a lot but I I always think like well. Dj Tanner Dj. Tanner from full House. I wanted to be and that was my like inspiration for everything I wanted. Her hair wanted her clothes. I wanted my room to look like hers. I did all those things got a perm scrunchy. He's got the DJ. I did I did everything I could look like. Dj Tanner and I. I remember that one of the things that was hard for me is that I always felt like Dj. Tanner is pretty and nice and smart and she has the cool boyfriend that she loves and like everything about her was so perfect and even the moments where they would show her like get in trouble or like break the rules in some way it was never really because she was a bad person or wanted anything bad or any bad habits or anything it was just like you know the drama was around her right. And that's hard that's hard to try to live up to when you're a especially in an awkward preteen. I'll never be DJ. Tanner that's something. We all have to face at one point or another but I can be Helga. There are parts of me. That are Helga out of me. That are very Helga. Yeah I mean I think that I think that that's very powerful to have like. It's okay. There are good and bad parts of you and you don't have to define yourself either way you can encompass at all which is what you know male characters have been doing for always for all. Yeah I do think it's nice there you can go back to a large percentage of shows from the late nineties early. Two thousands and find problematic bits like oh no. This wasn't this when I was watching it the first time. I didn't realize hair ozone those shows you can watch it and it's still pretty much like really I to me. It was just like I was watching. It was like yeah. This is like that I would see this on TV now. You don't really cheap. There are other good cartoons but I think it was. It was attempting to do things way before its time. I mean I even remember him as a young person watching the episode. Where Mr Win? It's the Christmas episode and he talks about how I mean. He Ex Vietnamese. So you can assume he's escaping Vietnam or he gives his daughter to an American soldier to get out of Vietnam and then he comes to America to try to find his daughter years later and he can't find her for a kid show. That's too heavy story. And that's the whole point. Is that Arnold trying to find his daughter to reunite them and like I remember as a kid watching that and thinking like what is this. What is this about. Where would where in the world would have to be separated from their parents? Because I've just too young to really kind of get what they were talking about. Yeah but it. It really does know like you said though when we first started talking about it it really respects the fact that if you think this stuff that maybe adults are tasked to like do and cope with isn't affecting the children around. You isn't if you think they're not aware of it. Then you're fooling yourself. Kids know in the stuff is going on and so like the idea that we're seeing it through like a situation like that through. Arnold is like as a kid who finds out about the situation and wants to help. That's happening there. The you know our kids the kids all around us not just mine are listening. And they're watching and they're experiencing sometimes very deeply personally all these things. That adults are going through and talking about and are happening around them and they're having to cope with it with a much more limited set of life experiences and lessons than us Which is which is when you get into like all the stuff about like urban myths and legends and Lore and all that Kinda stuff. Because that's how that's how that forms right right but But I think that's I think that's very powerful in a kids show and that that kind of falls in line with I do. I remember getting their time wise but I wanNA talk about my personal favorite up Which is the pigeon man? If if anybody listening is not Washington Journal if you've watched any of it just watch it so one of the fifteen minute one's a short and I think it kind of encapsulates everything that I that I connected with about this show because it's it doesn't have a tight understanding it doesn't. It's not trying to teach you anything. It's not showing you like a lesson sad but it's really beautiful and it's basically just that Arnold Is Training Pigeons and one of his pigeons gets hurt so he learns that. There's this like pigeon man that lives in this old like burnt down building and just takes care of pigeons. And that's what he does. So he takes his injured pigeon the pigeon man and like the I believe. The man's name is vincent any he's kind of. He's like a hermit like he's cut himself off from society he doesn't interact with people anymore. And you don't really get why. But he just Kinda says well people are cruel like I don't deal with people And Arnold gets him to come out and have pizza with them so you think like maybe it's going to move in a direction where Arnold helps this pigeon man reconnect with people but while the pigeon man's away from his his house these kids break in kind of ruin everything bus. Stop the place and so in response to this Getting choked up just thinking about it. You know he says like you know because all the pigeons escape the pigeons will come back because I can trust them. It's the people that I can't. And so then all of his pigeons come back and like he's been wearing Cole. Nestle little hooks over it and all these little hooks like the pigeons latch onto and pull out and they lift him up into the sky and he says I'm going to go find somewhere else where it can be with my pigeons and the end of the episode and it's it's so sweet and it's so sad and I remember seeing when of little in the I don't know To we had and it was really burbs but you know just like to to give that to serve that to a kid and kind of say like yeah. Life can be really sad sometimes and isn't gonNA come around at happy and like I don't know it's like they were trying to say something that wasn't like it's not a lesson it's not a fable. It's just here's just how life can be. You know it can be sad and it can be beautiful because visual of the pigeon man with his pigeons on the skyline. It's really beautiful. Well I think that was a beautiful note to end our discussion of. Hey Arnold. Wow so that episode. Yeah Watch that upset. If you can't watch any others Next week is mine yet. I'm claiming it and I WANNA talk about a movie on. Netflix called to all the boys. I've loved before the sequel to all the boys I've loved before. Psi Still Love. You came out on Valentine's Day of this year so it is very recent. I have watched both. I will probably be touching on some aspects of both. We'll focus on the first one so if you have time to watch both watch both but if you only want to watch the first one percents I will do. I have heard of it just and I've talked about washing it. We just haven't gotten around to it so it's a cheesy teen ROM COM type coming of age story so we will check it out. Yeah all right. Well thank you. Both this has been this for thank you. 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