15 Episode results for "Polaris Music"

Leif Vollebekk Sees His Song 'Hot Tears' As Yellow

World Cafe

25:34 min | 1 year ago

Leif Vollebekk Sees His Song 'Hot Tears' As Yellow

"Welcome to World Cafe. My name is Rena deras about three years ago leave. Vollebaek was set to release his album twin solitude. It was an album he thought might ended up being his last. He felt like he wasn't having fun. He wasn't finding an audience but once the album came out that changed twins. Solitude was critically adored Lord and his shows started to fill up the record was shortlisted for his homeland's Prestige is Polaris Music Prize. So the Canadian songwriter kept on going Volkhov ex new album new ways find some expanding on technique. He used on some of twins solitudes most loved songs. He recorded the size with just a drummer adding any other parts later. He'll explain how that worked and we talk about what it's like being a musician with Cynthia he can see sounds and that's affected what he likes and what he doesn't like when it comes to music as well as how he approaches music videos pretty cool. Let's start off with the song. He has described as looking yellow performed. Live World Cafe. This leaf vol back with hot tears. It's just jaw to feel the stony screen all star. Whisper it to me in a hotel to me all the time. I don't know it. Yeah gets you Salo Danes Eh We know down why you gotTA call it it. Is it a soft to pause as Luke. Is it a dream. I know go on sale over goodbye. Good bye bye right on time Vintner Just heard hot tears from full bikes new album new ways. I'm raiders. This is world cafe. Joined today beilieve fallback talking about that new album. It's all up to your critically acclaimed record twin solitude which was shortlisted for the players music prize. If you don't know what the Blurs Music Prize. It's kind of like the Canadian equivalent of the Mercury Prize. Decided by critics. I read leaf that you said you thought twin solitude would be your last album at what point in the process of putting that album together rethinking that way. It was Kinda like that I. I realized it wasn't having fun making music before that like I was a little a bit but it was more struggle struggle. Some yeah I I think maybe as being a little melodramatic too but on that last record onto in solitude I was like you you know I have to make a record that I am actually just happy with beginning to end and if nobody likes it down at least all like it and I can quit. You know you could do anything in life. It doesn't have to be music an IT'd be any such as like maybe this isn't for me. Maybe like if nobody wants to come to my shows it's not like some public service. I'm doing by touring so yeah and then then more people liked it and then I was like Oh this is way better. Yeah okay good amount and so you finish that album. It does very well you does okay relatively well Tivoli okay. Yeah and then It was time to make another one. What where was your head when you decided to make that next record this new one new ways? It was very simple When I was mixing twin solitude I'd already started writing songs? Thanks for the next record and I started at on the plane over. It started writing a few few songs too and I was like. Oh I guess some starting another record so I actually didn't stop and then and I started recording while I was on tour for the for twins but like before the players or anything like that happened. We're working on the new record. So yeah I'm talking to leave Vul- about his new album new ways on world cafe. I'm Raina Doris twin solitude your last album in new ways your new album. They're different and a bunch of different ways but there's a few things that are similar that I wanted to talk to you about on a couple of the songs on twin solitude you recorded them with just you and the drummer in the studio and the new album. It was done pretty much entirely like that. Yeah exactly the same. It was like it's like a weird energy thing but like if you play with a bass player and a drummer they connect and you know they're your rhythm section and then I felt like I would be like this kind of bird floating above it and basically it kind of abuse my my drummer. Relegate Fairfield as might click track like a real live human emotive click track that moves with me dynamically and temperature-wise and so then I just sing. So there's he's forced to follow like only me. There's no no one else to connect with. So he just sink playoff my vocal line and so it becomes a very like the rhythm becomes like really tied to the vocal and I think that that just felt really good and those are the ones that I kind of like the most and those are the ones does. It seem to connect with people live as well. I don't know if it's a coincidence sunny. I thought well I'm just GonNa see if I can't do that for for the next record just only drums and vocals for the whole thing. Then add the base and everything and I feel like it was. It was really fun and I don't still do it on the next one because it's a kind of exhausting and I don't love it's like maybe like it's not the best way to do it but if I do take a drummer and I sing and I and I played piano or guitar. We listen back to it. And and then it's very clear that there's all these holes like really really nice like on a canvas and you go. Oh I'll put strings. They're put the base there and put this there and it will be done on and it's like it doesn't need much to finish it and so it's about that feeling of going back into the control room and then hearing back and going. Oh I see the the canvas. It's very it's all ordered. It's missing just a couple of elements we'll just put those in. Let's hear one from twin solitude. Asong that leave fullback recorded using using that technique just him and the drummer starting off in the studio this elegy on World Cafe Manacles may jar can Little Jack in the black band kicking trash cans and Taylor jobs and that land got the fever a human aca fan on the back of my head. I don't know from nothing good for nothing to and President Dreams about let me one more time. One to nothing is you know take out on fire and so's everyone around us telling me that things are revealed in the latter's given even more to free from the POD and went all absence fall ran arts has blown and in his review is standing there used Jacobson and sanctuary. Warren we'll we'll sign all about las kind Seneca standing there own hello. Everyone around seem sinking seven ugly reasons the wave. Nothing is much weaker than I remember when we was alone me down to new goes. I was so young bad. I'll sir well donohue now blown that phones. You are mostly united in these guys also ties broken the IT Want you to sing. Yeah That was from lethal vex album twin solitude today leave is talking to me about his new album new ways on world cafe. We're going to hear another live performance from the new album shortly. It's a song called transatlantic flight. But I I want to talk about what the song looks like. Not just but it sounds like Lee. fullback has something called since decision. I saying that right. It's kind of hard to say it but Explain what it is. It's the confusion fusion of the senses a little bit. I guess babies have it like everything kind of comes at them. And then your brain eventually separates smells and sounds And then some people that doesn't that separation doesn't really they happen. I guess Yeah but when I hear music I see things but like I kind of like. How if I tell you the picture your mother? You'll picture your mother but you're not seeing her she you're not like Oh my God my mom's here like you know like whatever that is it takes a while to find out if you have it because you just assume that everyone is seeing something when they're hearing something because has that's what's happening that's what the feeling of hearing something is is also seeing but yeah you find out and people usually play long if you're like. Oh that looks. That sounds really brighter Kreider. That sounds really golden. People are like Oh cool. Yeah they don't go. What do you mean you sound crazy? The string players have played on L. A. G. The violent player. She has since sesia. That's when I found out about it because we were talking in colors. Choose like you have to like. Oh my God you mean the thing and so we were talking about instead of writing stuff down. She's like join me to pour the water like it's gold. I'm like Oh my God. Thank God you hear it was great sending out. She has it and And we talked and she goes K.. At the county say what the color of jazz and we're Brown because it's all the colors at the same time you know you have. That just gave me goosebumps hearing you talk about. Should I. Port like goal. Well Oh man no me too. Oh no I'm like it was like the best musical experience. It was just like we just. We didn't have to use any notes. We just talked about colors and so is and then we can communicate like that and then with Miles Davis says with his modal stuff I found out after he had since sinister Asia and I was like well. He's the only one of the few jazz people that can listen to because it's all orderly goes one color color and then boom changes modes different color. And he like works within it and it's just a whole thing I wanted to ask. Do you see Different colors for different instruments. Or is it sort of the song as a whole. No but that's what it is. That's what's so weird about it. It's very elusive. That's why I don't think it's real sometimes until I talk about it with people who don't have it and go have no idea but like I'll hear violin if I hear a Solo Violin picture of violin and picture the color that it is but that's more of an association but if I hear like orchestra I tend to picture like you know almost like telephone wires that are like really rich colors. And it's I don't know it's it's weird. It's like looney tunes in Bugs Bunny Or like a Disney animation's fantasia stuff like that stuff they they would like visually represent music in those older films and that look exactly like music to meet so I thought that's I realized that that was those are people like tripping out on on drugs and like but also that's what happens when I I guess I don't do psychedelics or anything but you told that that's what happens when you you see music on psychedelics. And that's your brain processing differently. It's a very interesting sort of like direct line into your brain. Yeah Yeah but yet. Connie apparently has it. You know any whatever but there's a lot of stuff this world cafe I'm talking to leave Volksbank. My name is Rena. Dora's we're talking about senator that's when you can you can see colors you perceive colors or images when you hear different sounds different music you do bring some of your since dedic experience to yours videos. Thank you Could you talk a little bit about how that works. How you bring your like into the actual visualizations that you share with your audience because I never liked music videos because they'd take me out of the song and I realized often it was because they I have a very clear picture of what what was happening and then it would just be like well? That's not that's not what it looks like and Black and white music videos tend to be much more helpful for that. Because there's no there's no color so obviously it just doesn't interfere otherwise it's this weird clash like two images at once in my brain and it's like Can't can't take it so I kind of When I started doing music videos with my friend? Kobe I was like at least. Let's get the Color Palette the right one so that when I see it it doesn't offend offend me. Listen to the performance of Transatlantic Laden next and The video for it you know. It's you for this rich. Blue background What does it could you go into a little bit of detail? What does this song look like to you? It's kind of like Whoa. That's weird when I wrote it it was the easiest one it was is one of the. It was definitely the easiest one for the record because after I wrote it I was like Oh like is this can be the drumbeat and And it's just going to. Yeah it's just GonNa it already looks like it would have had to look like which is just as big white blue like like. I don't know I can't really explain it kind of endless expanse this is is transatlantic. Flight performed live for world cafe by leaf fullback. Komo come on come on talk to me. Well I can tomorrow come on. Come on the talk to me. Well I can tell you retired on a chain's Atlantic play Dazed and confused. It does lack Judeo lays say do you won't see a role mm-hmm televised interview WanNa make mine along making black hearted heavy hearted something I wouldn't get used to now. I'm looking at this through Allies in the ass to Blais without Drift in the Astros play. Come on come on over the talking to me. What they want they can tale Gouniot's guna tire come on? Come on all US talking to who me wrong thing. I can tell you the Kunitz. Uh Chains I Komo News Komo Kamado tackle well Google and it's a bye Komo gamonal to work in A. Ah good anytime on a chain's Laney That was transatlantic flight. From Leaf fullback performed live on world. Cafe Lead folks talking with me for the last little while here. It's been a great conversation. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for the The new album and thanks for coming into World Cafe Pleasure. Thanks LE- fullbacks new album. New Ways is out now. I'm Marina Doris. Thanks for listening to World Cafe.

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Caribou - Home

Song Exploder

20:29 min | 1 year ago

Caribou - Home

"You're listening to song. Explorer musicians take apart their songs and piece by piece. Tell the story of how they were made. My name is Rashid. You're way if you have proposed that to me before I started this process that Dan. I think you should make kind of hip hop influenced track. That's like a duet with an seventies soul singer out of being that's never gonNA work. Dense Nathan has been making records since two thousand one. He won Canada's. It is Polaris Music Prize in two thousand seven and this month. He's releasing the seven Caribou album suddenly in this episode. Dan Breaks down the song home. He talks about how he managed Haddish to get past several moments of creative uncertainty to figure out the final traffic. She's going home. She's this going. Maybe this is Dan snaith from Caribou you every day. I come down into my studio and make something. I kind of turn off the critical part of my brain. Thinks is this something it's GonNa be a Caribou track. Is this going to be something that goes on an album. I'm just having fun that every day. That's the process is to just enjoy that so that was very much the spirit in which I put this together other. I was browsing youtube when I first came across the sample. That's kind of core of this track. which is the track by Gloria? Barnes also called home home home and it's kind of a lost soul gem. I spend a lot of time in my life digging for records and dusty warehouse and flea markets and things now just as often. I'm looking for music on Youtube. And that's how I came across this track. I kind of miss that sense of stumbling across something when you're there in kind of backroom of a record could store or wherever you might find something but to be honest with you. The thing that I'm really interested in is the musical ideas and that's always just as thrilling no matter where you find it. So it's a beautiful song so lovely to listen into it's so memorable and so much emotion in her recording and her performance. You know first and foremost I'm a music fan and that's just finding out about. I bet a piece of music that is new to me and exciting is the root of everything I do really. I mean I think just a love of music as a listener but then it's hard to hear something sometimes and not think. Oh my goodness you know. How does this thing relate to the music that I may can? Could I do my own version of this idea or sample this in some way I think maybe be from growing up listening to hip hop you know finding the samples on Matang tribe called quest records and idolizing people like Mad Lib etc.. I just have that impulse to be. We like okay that that's a loop. The the part that I've used from is just the first few seconds loop the other part that loops the bit that repeats. Baby I'm home. I'm home on home afterwards. Home home home and I could immediately here oscillating back and forth between those two sections. I didn't know that it was going to be a Caribou track or attract was going to be released or used in any way like that but I just wanted to make a quick beat out of it and in my head it was like a hip hop instrumental. You know I'd kind of taken the loop from this record and done what I imagined. I kind of nineties. Hip Hop producer would have done with it. But it wasn't clear like how that world which I love how that related to the music that I was making or that that I've made in the past. I'm just always making these kind of little loops and ideas and then I come back can revisit them later with a bit of hindsight our of perspective from time passing and Oh maybe that would be useful in some way or maybe that does fit in with the other things. I've been doing lately but I just didn't know what to do with it. It's sad that way for years probably a year and a half two years just on my hard drive with a collection of all these other draft ideas that I'd be making over the course of making the record and I was like I keep coming back to this but so what next. It wasn't at all clear to me at some point. I thought well. Maybe it's the like hip hop drums. That are kind of preventing me from seeing it in the prism of the music that I'm making aside from that so I kind of played my own drums over the top of the drum parts that I played I played really. Really quietly with the microphones. Really really close to them. Just got a really dry intimate kind of drum sound which try liked along with this and then I'd play it for other people. I played it for. For example Kieran Garin Hampton Forte. Is My one of my main goes about. Hey would you give a listen to this thing that I've been working on. What do you think about it? He's always giving me feedback about the music making and I can reciprocate with the music he makes and in the credits to the song. The first time this has ever happened is Kieran. Forte is credited as arranger in on the songs well and it was his idea actually having the two versions one of the kind of hip hop break beat on it and the one with more mellow me playing drum on it and immediately I was like Oh that's great and he actually said hang on a minute like I can hear this so exactly what I want so well let me just chop these two versions that you've given me together. This would be easier to do than to describe and so he sent this version back to me when it kicks in the beginning. It has a tougher beat and then when I sing kind of had had this kind of more intimate feel places. Because she's happy. Ah I tried thinking about how to sing alongside the sample and a number of different ways and then it was. Actually the serendipitous earned apis coincidence or something that well it unfortunate in some ways because a friend of mine had like being through a difficult kind of toxic relationship and had left that relationship and I mean literally gone home but also kind of figuratively grounded herself in her sense of home in within herself and that kind of thing so all of a sudden I was thinking about writing song about her and about that experience and then I just realized that this loop that had been sitting there forever kind of had exactly those connotations within the lyric of the sample the original song. It's kind of Love Song About Glory Barn seeing in character about somebody who's coming home to the person that they love in some sense whereas the song that I ended up writing inspired my friends. Experience was more about breaking away from a relationship that was toxic and finding being home within yourself. She's then she us a now. She's made peace everything and that was the first time I thought okay. Maybe I could sing kind. I mean in some sense in some weird sense duet. which if you'd have proposed that to me before I started started this process that Oh yeah Dan? I think you should make kind of hip hop influenced track. That's like a duet with an seventies soul singer being like that's never going to work but this kind of personal input from a friend's life and wanting to kind of honor them through telling their story was the key that unlocked bringing that together. It was easy to write the lyrics this one because I was thinking of such specific situation and you know the refrain was kind of. They're in place already so when I'd saying winging it would be responded to by the baby on home vocal part and she basis. She's going home home on home. She's the home. The the thing that was missing was Kinda third section of the song Middle Eight or a bridge. It just needed something so that you move harmonica somewhere else so that that can kind of end satisfying going back to the loop and I always got like a minute and a half in or wherever it is two minutes. I can't remember I was like I'm stuck. You know they needs to be something here and there just isn't there's just a whole here. And that was the real stumbling block for months and months and I tried so many different options. None of which. It's quite fit this one. This like version of the bridge that never was kind of takes it to a more contemporary place. It's a kind of glossy bladerunner sounding but also kind of referencing rb maybe to some degree but it just when I put it in the song it was like the mood changes too much. The change from the verse and Chorus to the bridge had to feel more natural in this one felt like too much of a stretch and then I really thought I had landed on it. This is something that I built up playing piano part and the drum part get kind of vintage sound to it fits in with the kind of soul funk jazz influenced era right. I was like I finally cracked it. You know this is going to be at. I'm going to finish that song. And then the next day I came back to and I was like Yeah I don't know if it's quite the one it's again it takes it into a different place the rest of the songs Kinda us. Oh classic sounding that I wanted this section to have a bit more of a kind of connection to contemporary hip hop production but that references that era so actually when I was finishing this the newest tyler the creator how come out that's eager which just won the grammy for best rap album and I was like listening to that and thinking this is like treating old samples and things but cutting them up in a way that seems really contemporary so there was a kind of thought to do that to have it be both new and old sounding at the same time this specific section of the Song Tissue. That's me playing kind of software version of a piano China and then processing it so the pitches oscillating the in and out of tune. You know it's just really clean piano beyond. It seems to straight to save so all affected in some way in this case using that kind of effect of it warbling tune a little bit. I'm always kind of trying to tread that line between something that's familiar and unfamiliar whether it's taking piano sound and then affecting in a way that you haven't heard before or taking the human voice and chopping it up so that it's kind of disembodied now I like this idea of this really loud disembodied voice that is not quite saying anything you here just a syllable or kind of beginning of a word and make a kind of sense that there's somebody there about to sing. But they are not quite seeing lyrics or words but you kind of get a sense of Human voice in there so it sounds more like a percussion instrument than it. It does like a vocal instrument but and then this is kind of classic ubiquitous sound on contemporary hip hop and pop. Music is the kind of tuned into a bass drum sound. I thought it'd be interesting to have it in. This context context something sounding more old to get a really great rough sounding eight. Oh eight kick drum as tuned kind of playing a baseline you know. I played this on a keyboard and a lot of the field to the records. I make I think comes from not being a person who correct things and Qantas's meaning leaving things leeway to be a little sloppy and off beat. That's something that I think gives the music that you make personality you know if you put it locked everything on a grid just sounds like very robotic so the saxophone on this track there is actually some saxophone in the original sample. The additional saxophone is played by a musician named Colin Fisher from Toronto. He heard that there was maybe a baritone sax or something in the original sample. What if I doubled that and then harmonized and it just adds to it so nicely in this song the Sax phones. There's something that allows you to play with the dynamics and going to make the song have more of a narrative arc and feel more like a song rather than loop eh and that was the last piece of the puzzle and then I remember actually sitting back and listening to an is like. That's a song because you live with it so long when it's just bits and pieces of something and it's not clear how it's GonNa come together. Such a relief so thrilling to think. Yeah I've got all the pieces to fit where they shed a lot of the songs on this album and this one in particular. Tell the stories of people close to me that people that I I love who've been through very difficult times in the last five years I want the music to kind of be a big hug and be supportive of the person. That's the protagonist in these situations nations. This song sounds very optimistic and it sounds very positive and getting out of this situation. This relationship for this friend of mine was it's difficult but was the best thing that could have happened when I found the lyrics. She's better off than she has ever been like a central thing that it could have that kind of uplifting sense to it that it should feel jubilant in some sense but also a lot of the time making. The music is like a therapeutic process to myself starting with nothing and then having something you know I still enjoy that so much after more than twenty years of doing it and now here's home by Caribou in its entirety She just she pleases she basis. She's own home she's going. ooh He's do chicken fish. Yeah she's gone she's gone. Yeah She's this movement uh-huh uh-huh For more information visit song exploded dot net slash Caribou this episode is sponsored by imperfect foods. Did you know that every year over twenty billion pounds of produce get wasted in this country. That's what imperfect foods is out to change. And I just got my box for the week. 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NEW: Paul Chin | Polaris Music Prize-nominated producer | Welcome To The Music

Welcome with Karim Kanji

1:06:47 hr | 2 months ago

NEW: Paul Chin | Polaris Music Prize-nominated producer | Welcome To The Music

"Are those shows on sessions there okay. They're fun you what i mean felt like being at a live show is it just. You're just watching like a concert on tv. Yeah little more interact. Well it depends on the band. The band Some are in more interactive like just talking to the audience and then some are really just really so. Can you interact with the band. No no no. It's it's more just like they are playing by well. I guess there's a chat a chat as well the attract and so how is the band interacting with the crowd. Sometimes taking questions i know. I know there's a saying to kelly. I was surprised the show that we watched this past weekend. how little the musician attracted versus the other one. His his was more of a show I don't know if i don't know if they're interacting -sarily with the chat But what's interesting is you can actually buy upgrades so you could do like vip meet and greet beforehand for a hundred bucks or whatever you know. Kfc that only allows so many people by the mean high. The following podcast is brought to you by radical road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of leslie. Dill find him at eleven. Seventy seven queen street east. That's radical road brewery. A this is paul chapman musician producer internet phenomena and welcome to the music. Welcome welcome welcome. Welcome thank you for joining us. Really appreciate the time. Yeah thanks for having me. it's Nice to talk to people who don't live in my own house. You have a lot of people there that live in your house that you're sick and tired not a lot. i mean. I'm not sick and tired of any of them and my best friend and that's cool but it's also just. They're still the same people they were a year ago. And i'm all out of variety can't believe as soon as you said that it has been almost a year up on our one it is. It is nuts. So let me ask you this right off the bat. Then how how have you been keeping. This becomes a surprise to literally anybody. But i'm good. I'm good. I'm built for this life And all it took a global pandemic to allow me the luxury to live with it. Yeah i mean this even before this. My my whole ethos has gradually become one of our really. Wanna leave the house. Unless i'm going out to get paid or going out to get my friends paid You know. I'm just trying to have a good time and then come home and just make stuff that i like and yeah now i have every excuse in the world to do that and i get to look sponsoring kind and caring human being doing so did you. Did you have your your like. Did you have your whole setup in studio in the house before we went. Got into all this. Yeah not on the level. It is now because as you face it is beautiful and glowing sony a seven three camera acting as a way overpowered cam and if the gopro behind was back i could hit a switch. And then you'd see that. Yeah it so everything was in the house and i finally just had an excuse to spend the last little bit of money just kind of pulling it all together so that i never have to leave ever again once one incredibly antisocial i realize but this i don't like a lot of stuff i just really liked the things that i like and now i just had to find that enthusiasm for things that i like inside my own house. That's what i'm doing now. Fair enough fair enough are you also. You've sort of spruce. Stop in spiced up your setup there. Are you also one of those people. That's looking for a bigger places. Well i mean who can afford to look for any other place than the ones they're the pandemic was going to finally lace of justice to the real estate market in toronto. And no it only exacerbated thing. So i don't know i mean in general i'm not i hope i never have to move at the place i've been at was like two thousand and twelve and we're very happy here. You know. my wife also works from home a lot of the time as well. We have the space in the freedom and the flexibility to do that. We have multiple wars in the place. We live a we got a floor. Our house has the floor. Then there's room like the setup we have is great and nice you know the the spot is rent controlled so i could never find another place like this at this price point. Even if i tried right yeah no. It's been it's been great. I very fortunate. I fully realize i fully acknowledged this. I'm very fortunate to have had kind of all the ducks in a row that i had the formed. This completely never planning for this to be the reality that we live in. Crib is great. All the stuff in. it's great. I live with inside are great and yeah so why why would i want to go out. Fair enough fair enough. Thought it's true although you know playing live music or playing in front of like life people rather than them being on a screen. Yeah i miss that. That's that's the thing that's kind of bite can't do anything about it. I can't do anything about it. The other thing is. I've also realized i how much i enjoy playing on on a live livestream on screen and all i think that has just very different advantages experience. It's a thing that none of us really were doing before or even if we did it was just not a thing that we ever thought about and now i just kind of has to be so you know like all making our livestreams better for those of us who were doing it. Relieves him branka. You their art. And i've come to you know really appreciate the nuances of it. I think we're losing their. I've experienced and you know. I think everyone knows that but at the same time. There's a lot of other stuff that you get with the livestream that you just don't get by playing in real spaces for one. I can also talk to everybody. Who's at the show you know. And i don't have to feel drunk people stumbling into the booth trying to make requests not gonna play not playing that song. Yeah it's great so it's it's very much just like again all the things that i talk about. You know loving being at home. I'm just hanging out. I don't have to get dressed up. I don't have to pay. Tt fair or pay for an uber to get home. I get to play whatever i want. I'm hanging out comfortable and you know if people wanna show up in. Hang out as well. They're free to do so and the only people who have to be there are people who want to be there. Episode true paulie. Just shut down our cameras. I just said that we could conserve bandwidth. But i wanted to actually spend some time on this whole idea of live music versus streaming. I wanna start off on the live music site of things obviously before last march You know you sort of some research and you know you were playing in places like the garrison adelaide hall and an wrong bar among other places probably. I'm just curious do you. Do you remember the last live performance. You did yeah actually Last live performance. I did was a friends and family show that i threw in december at the shop. Formerly parts and labor and yeah. It was just a thing that i did. I personally invited like a couple of hundred people Just to come in a long time next spring. It's pretty much already. I have this whole alive visual thing. That i'm working on for that and i wanna like actually try out in a space with people and see how they feel about it. Yeah so. I was asking people to come in personnel texting people. I was dealing people. I you know. Reach out to people who like i met at other shows and all like formed relationships with them around that stuff and i was just like. Hey look i i. I'm about embark on a very arduous journey of having to constantly sell myself to strangers all the evidence right before them will not be convinced that i am worth the time where i'm worth the the attention or just wants for just once i would like to just play a show where i don't have to worry about that again that say about streaming. Everyone who's here is here on purpose. Everyone who is here is here because they want to be a good time together right like it's all people who i know for a fact care about me support. My music support my art support. What i'm doing. What i'm about and so i want to kind of honor that and no pay respect to those people who've been with me for a long time or a little bit of time but you know have like made that that impact on me. Personally he's a great time great and have you found that Like have you found that. The audience has had to adjust. And where i'm going with. That is i think about like you know. At the beginning there was a couple of bands. A member of to watch dropkick murphys their saint patrick's day party lab streaming and then there was sort of a lull and then we started heading into more more musicians and like sessions sessions line becoming available for support. So did you. Did you find the audience had to adjust or au one hundred percent like we're almost a year out and people still don't know to you which people still don't know how to do that. And this is not you know speaking disparagingly but yeah it's it's a thing that existed before this time right like there's a there's a way of using it. There's a language there's a culture so people who are just like yeah live. Music is just what it is. And i'll never have to think about any alternative to this now have to be like. Hey well i guess. I have to remember to tune into this thing at the specific time is basically like we've been trying to teach people how to use cable which as a person who in the last few years recently acquired access to cable through my building. I i still don't know how to use it right like i still. I know generally how it works. Which is you tune into things at the time they tell you it's on you can search for things in this guide or with this particular interface and you can watch things but you also get served commercial right like all of these lee vaguely familiar with in terms of how they work and what they are. But that's just not how we live our lives. That's not. That's not the way that we think about things so in the same way. It's like you try to teach a net flicks generation how to use cable. It's similar to teaching people who just get up and leave their houses to go see shows how tune into something at twelve o'clock in the afternoon and engage with the engage with the artists and the audience in a chat right. It's a lot of new and different things that people are not unfamiliar with in isolation. But they're just very unfamiliar with that experience in engaging this this particular experience in language i know you have a is it a weekly show called discotheque. Yeah three times a week. Mondays wednesdays fridays. All right so three times a week do this so is it probably tell me about that. Show on on on your which channel disco check about. What could people expect when they tune in. Yeah it's it's everything i described. It is me out having a great time listening to music. That i love playing music that i love And yeah just kind of hanging out with my friends. I said it at noon eastern. Because i was like cool. You know even people who are working from home your can you hear us. Hello yeah back. Okay i watched my wife. I think just bounce off the network and then start climbing up the bars again and last as soon as you started talking that last answer you you left us a let me let me let me ask it again. So you're you've you've gotta show on your twitch channel discotheque. Mondays wednesdays and fridays at noon. Correct that's it. What what can people expect when they tune in. Yeah it's everything. I described before it's me hanging out at home and just play a bunch of music that i love. It's it's a great vibe at noon. 'cause even work from home people get to take a lunch break so if i play for two hours you can pop in for one. Maybe yeah and i'm just playing music. The thing that i learned after a couple of months is that when you play music that regularly and you play music in one space as opposed to playing at different venues around the city or going on tour you often tend to play to the exact same people every time which is great in enough itself. It's just not what i'm used to so it's also been kind of like a challenge or an exercise for me in trying to keep things new trying to keep things fresh trying to remember how much music i have and all the music that i forgot that i used to play so it is really just sort of like my descent into nostalgia and a little bit of madness like on air as i just dig through you know like gigabytes and gigabytes and gigabytes of music. That i've just hoarded over the years And figuring out new and cool in interesting ways to play all those things together. That's that's fascinating correct. Go ahead greg. you're mute. I suck every show. I saw right below it all right now. What is gonna sing was thinking of pre pandemic. And now what you're going through in the shifts and that and you talking about this exploring or in finding or refining music like how do you think that's going to impact or once we get through this. How's that going to impact your music thing I don't really know that is going to impact in a way that it already. What like that that. I wasn't doing. Because i as i kind of started working on this last ep. It was sort of a a shedding of all these expectations. And and sort of rules. That you either. I place on myself arbitrarily or that. I kind of thought that the industry was placing on me. That you kind of have to fit into these boxes. Were that you kind of have to market things in very specific and try to entry ways end. Yeah so as. I worked on this record in particular it was just me being like well. What if i didn't though what would happen like what if i just made the music. I wanted to make how i wanted to make. What if i actually just committed to the ideas in the beliefs and things that i have and things that i hold to be true for myself as an artist and as a fan and lover of music. What if i did that. In the way that i made music and similarly. That's kind of what. I'm doing now in the way that i play right like i i. It's my show. it's my venue so to speak. It's my all of these things. So i don't have to think about the usual things. Okay so it's a hip hop show. So i just play that or it's a more corporate environment so i played you know more top forty stuff or whatever like i don't have to think about any of that stuff. I just get to fully. Just do what i want with the music that i believe in and and yet this entire experience of being able to do that from the comfort of my own home and and you'll still have like an audience who comes back for that and have you know people who continue to seek that out or discover that and validate that and be like. Oh this is such a cool thing. You're doing it's it's great and now i'm just like yeah i'll never go back. Why would i do anything else. So it sounds like you know once you know oh it is not a thing as large as it is now you know. Bunch of people are getting vaccinated. It's sounds like you'll probably do more shows like you did at the shop where it's maybe invite only it's a it's a it's a pop showed you know you're not advertising it all over the place versus you know you're you're part of a bigger show you're one of maybe a few other people you're playing at a place that people know and go to for a certain types of music it sounds like you've you've figured out what you what you wanna do. It sounds like this pandemic has really helped you that way. Yeah i mean. I don't necessarily know that. I'm gonna continue to do like secret. Shows or whatever like that all the time because it is still a bunch of work and especially like if i'm not getting to do other kinda shows elsewhere. Where tour or anything like that. But it's nice to know that. I now have the option to do that. And now also have a year of credible evidence to validate and certain things. Because now i can just be like. Hey you know. I wanna play this show where i wanna play this way or this is what i wanna do. And you know. I can pitch shows or try to work with a motor venues or whatever to do a certain type of show. And if they're not feeling it then i can just be like well cool. I didn't need you for a whole year. I don't really need you now. i can like i know what to do otherwise alternatively this is this is fascinating. Greg i don't know what you think. Paul i'll be honest with you. We've spoken with you know almost on a weekly basis we're talking with musicians and a lot of are just you know are are just not playing are are longing for when they can go live. They're you know they're some livestream stuff you know here and there but it seems you've really leaned into this and greg. I haven't. We haven't really spoken to a lot of people that i agree. I agree it's a it's been a fascinating chat with you because Yes cream said like so many people are ted. They're they're nervous of temptation about it or whatever you just really even braced him in. It's awesome. I i mean i don't really mean to come off as like Know an anti live show person or anything like that. i hope that's not the vibe. I'm giving off. But i'm literally writing an album right now. That is kind of about. How much missed the club but also through the land. It's it's it's kind of about how much i missed. The club but is also through the lens of like a person who didn't always have the greatest time at the club or didn't always have a great time with the way that the club existed before. And i think that that's another real thing that like. We aren't like artists industry folks venues themselves like everyone just kind of needs to be honest about this and start having honest conversations and dialogues about this. Which is that. The music industry and the live music industry was not an equitable or great place for everyone. Not all the time and so in this time where those are just all gone. They're all gone for everyone. Not just those of us who were sort of second class citizens in the live music world for lack of a better description but like for everyone right. It doesn't matter how big you are. It doesn't matter how many stadiums you can sell it. You just can't play that show right now and so you can do other things and so there. This is just sort of a time where i guess like waxing nostalgic about all the things that she used to do and how you used to do them and all that stuff i think now's the time where you Where artists should really be having deep and earnest soul searches into that stuff. And i miss. I miss the club. But i don't miss shake trying to shake down promoters for the money they owe me and trying to like get a facebook event popping and i don't miss overloading everybody that i know with information about yet another show. Meanwhile all of our mutual friends who are also artists are also doing the same. I just don't miss that life. I don't miss the life. And so if nothing else i think. The greatest benefit that live music. Cova videira live. Music has given us is that we have options being presented to everyone and being presented as viable virus. Rooms aren't even knew it's just that. Hey when kind of forced to spend the time learning how to use twitch or learning how to use ob ass or whatever people will just do it and people will have a good time and it'll be a different kind of good time but people will do it and there's no there are just aren't any more excuses in terms of what's good enough so when we when we get back to like when we get past this The streaming stuff aside when we talk about live shows with the loss of so many venues. And it's just getting just gets worse by the day. It seems that's an it is what it is do you see. Do you see that level set happening in the live venue circuit. Or do you. Do you think it's going to become more of a challenge for up and coming musicians with with the with the loss of places to play. I think that we're beginning. I don't think that any one event is really going to be a sal- like i just don't like i don't see any of these. Even these unprecedented events actually doing much to move the needle when this is all over and we and we have the opportunity to go back to the way it was of course people are gonna go back to the way it was the vast majority especially those who wielded power over the situation before right like why would a like what incentive do they have to do anything differently or to approach things differently. I don't think there's anybody anybody in any significant position of power in the music industry. That is doing things out of the goodness of their heart or doing things. I think it's it's it's good for the culture overall or it's good for artists or it's good for any of the like that's not real like i cannot be convinced that is truly a significant enough motivation for people who are doing stuff like managing and balancing billions of dollars in tour. Raffin your lives so revenue and multiple venues or even one venue right like at the end of the everyone has bills to pay balance-sheets to balance But what i think is going to come out of this or has at least begun to come out of this is there's more visibility on alternative routes and alternate options for being a performing artist. And i think more options is always going to be back. More options for artists is always going to be a better thing. I would like to you know as soon as we can get outside and safely and responsibly. Do this again yeah. I'm trying to go on tour. I was actively working on setting up dates in multiple cities. And all this other kind of stuff. And that's still a desire. I hold to this day but if you know if for whatever reason any body tells me no because you know i don't have to accept that as i just don't have to accept that you know as as as a definition or as a As a definition or as any kind of like judgment on what. I get to do as an artist and i think that's kind of the thing that i'm sitting the most comfortable with. Yeah there's while there's so many directions we can take this one. I one before we sort of go somewhere else. I want to ask your your thoughts on on on on venues. You talked a bit of a few minutes ago about Of the dichotomy having good experiences. Maybe when you win as a a as a consumer of music or maybe one of your first performances and then more recently sort of having that turn into more negative or bad experience I'm curious if if if that's sort of a general A general thing about music and music venues maybe specially here in toronto or if. That's you know in specific venues that you know you were a as a young artist. You know just stoked to play at that you know when you went there was like aw damn. This isn't as as glamorous as i as i hoped or thought it would be. I mean both of those things were happening in my life concurrently like i was having great times playing shows and terrible times playing shows and and great times and terrible times attending shows all with like all like week after week and and i think that that kind of taught me about the complexity of live music specifically here in toronto. That was kind of the thing that gave me my first insight into you. Know who's in charge of what or who is responsible for why things are the way they are here versus there or whatever And you think about toronto specifically right like venues are owned by promotion companies right like not individual promoters and venues don't necessarily have their own individual in-house promoters they you know. They and the promotion companies are essentially synonymous right. So you think about danforth music hall which is owned by embrace which is in turn now owned by live nation. That's a that's just three sort of parties or three degrees of the thing but that also that one venue accounts for so much money and so much activity and so much opportunity in live music in toronto. And then you multiply that by how many venues that embrace and or live nation owns and then the other ones that they don't necessarily own but obviously get i think priority access to And then you also in the same breath kind of have to put those up against you know individual venues that are like oh yeah like a couple of people who own a bar together and they're trying to get some dj's or they're trying to get some live acts in an all this other stuff and even before the pandemic migra. My greatest lament for toronto live music was the erosion of sort of like the middle class of artists. Because you know you know twenty thousand nine hundred if you were nobody just coming up out of your bedroom for the first time trying to get a gig. You weren't necessarily going to land at the drake hotel but there was like maybe a coffee shop somewhere or a small bar or some sort of diy. Venue that you'd be able to get into and do stuff and you wouldn't make any money you'd probably lose money but you know you're really only trying to get twenty people out at a time and and there's plenty of space for that to happen or you are ono push t who is like one of the last shows. I remember playing at a danforth music hall. Or you're flying lotus. And you're touring with Support so there isn't even any need for a local opener. Your whoever right and you're playing these much larger shows or your the chain smokers playing the acc right like there's there's stuff way up at the top and they're way down at the bottom and those of us in the middle class we kind of have you know the same six venues to juggle between all of us and you know. They're closing by the day at or and or they have a very stacked schedules right. And it's very difficult to get into those venues. Even when you personally know people who book those shows or program you know events it those spaces and so on and so forth marriages dropped off guangzhou. That's fine did not smash. I hope not there you go. So there's a. They're all of that happening even before. Cova d- so i like all that stuff is stuff that i was in the midst of navigating and juggling and trying to trying to keep my head above water as it was happening. You know pre covid then. Kobe bryant and a hit at the time. When i was probably the most fatigued with all this that i was ever going to be and rather than being driven to quit music. It just kind of gave me the space to just not have to play that game just not have to think about it not have to strategize or connive or scheme or any of this other stuff that eventually at some point. Everyone's kind of faced with the opportunity to do Opportunity or a necessity depending on what your situation is and so. I just got to be like cool. Don't have to do any of this stuff. None of us are making money. So it's fine. If i'm not making money doing this or whatever right like everyone is having to spend or pivot or learn new skill set. So it's fine if i'm having to spend and pivot learn new skill sets and yet here. We are now on the other side of it. And i again. I just have an option that works for me right now and if when live music comes back if after the year of very publicly in very visibly doing what i've been doing and doing a great job of it and proving myself to be reliable sustainable an excellent performer. Very gatherings matic bluffed by multiple. If after all of that you know promoters whoever it may be you know the larger companies or the individuals if after all of that they are still like No i don't really have a spot for you or not. I'm not really like. I'll book you but you're still going to have to do all of this. Facebook invite stuff. Because i'm a promoter. But i don't really promote or not i like i'm just gonna keep booking my friends to open for all of these illustrious acts that you know i'm bringing or whatever and if if that continues to be the same as it ever was and i hope it won't be but if it does then i'm not just laughed to hanging in the wind i'm not just left flapping in the wind. Yeah so yeah. That's really just doing my. Take away from it all pastor. Nice nice i. I'm curious about this Your background is in classical music jazz. It right Very very deep background at this point buried deep background in classical music and jazz yes. It's way its way in background. Way out of focus at disclose. Okay okay. so that's way back wing way because what. I'm curious about it paul. Is that that leap. From i guess jan does not structure jazz. Jazz is probably the best live music for me at least two to experience because it's just everywhere in anywhere but how do you go from classical music and jazz as sort of your in your formative years to the sounds of digi and electronic music I don't think it was that great a leap because my training as a as a player performer To be fair. I don't think i was ever very you've said so. You said yeah. I think i was ever very good or exceptional jazz specifically and classical. You know to be very good and exceptional is just you know you can memorize leave stuff. And so whether i was good at that or not doesn't really matter to me anymore but as a human person as like a year also still just like a person who hung out with friends who also had music taste and put me onto stuff and we would kind of like discover. Our musical tastes together. So yeah like you know listening to a lot of like hip hop in particular in the two thousand which i- i maintain as kind of like the wildest and i think most eclectic in a eclectic coming out of a very linear progression at that time. But i i think hip hop in the two thousands kind of occupied. That space of like anything can happen for the first time ever. Everyone sort of realize anything can happen in rap music and that would have been about the time i i got interested in in. Just what production is i didn't. I don't think i really knew what a producer was. Or what producers did but. I was fascinated by their work. So yola growing up listening to the neptune's who basically had a hit a hit on the radio every week of the year Timberland swizz beatz to a much lesser extent. But then like even a later after that like connie coming up right like all of these very distinct producers who had their own sound and you could recognize them by the work that they did in the way that they made beats no matter who was on those beat and so yeah later on. When i would eventually sort of figure out what production was how to do it how to get into it. It didn't seem like a a huge leap to go from. Yeah like i just make a rat. Beat too i make a a less classifiable beat because i just knew how to make music into a computer at this point is fascinating got. So i wanna. I wanna go with the sort of the hip hop in in a in a two thousand and you know. You've you've collaborated with shad on the latest ep. Right and interested to know if you if you talk much about the involvement and we had about on to talk about hip hop evolution darcy. How how much like did you have a good chance to talk to him about that. Because it was really interesting to hear darcy's view of shades awe of meeting some of these people. Yeah i mean well shannon. I have been friends for a few years even before you know. He worked on this ep. And before i worked on his last album. So i mean yes shad is exactly like one of those friends that i talk about growing up with kind of putting me on to music and me putting him onto music and it's exactly that relationship we we have a lot of intr- we have a lot of shared interests. Outside of music are shared interests of music as well is is great and so yeah i mean we talk about it all the time he sometimes he would Tax remember him. Taxi me just out of the blue one. Day like yeah. I just interviewed a little john yesterday. Right text him and just be like hey any chance. You like interviewed so and so for the next season and he'd be like oh yeah we did or no. It's not gonna make it into the next season. I remember us I remember when he told me that they they had decided. I guess like for the purpose of lake remember if it was out of a time constraint or or if they just deemed it not influential enough to kind of make the cut over other things. But when i found out that they going to do an episode on nelly and the st lunatics and. I was like that. That seems completely insane to me. Because this was also exactly the the time when Old town road had come out and was everywhere as i. Yeah nellie walked so that. Like little nauseous. Could run right. We talk about like country wrappers or country hip hop or whatever and it's just like yeah no that existed that existed before this whole little nauseous billboard disagreement right and and so yeah i mean these are the kind of conversations that chad and i have all the time because we're both such fans of not just the music for the music sake but also you know the mythology behind this this culture that like actually growing and changing and evolving before our eyes. And we're just fortunate enough to get to be participants in as well. How was it working on On his album a short story about a war that was that was a great album. I did as you were working. I know i you work on the whole album or just just the one song so i did just that one song. I worked on another song that didn't make the cut for the album. But he tells me he like still wants to figure out something to do with it. And i mean i know. I know how shad works. He has no less than like three different projects. Kind of being let any one time. And he's also very much in the camp of it takes as long as it takes. It'll be done when it's done. So maybe that's all come out for something else but yeah so. I have peace war on that album and yeah working on. That was great. It was a little before i had. I had started working on my ep. That beat actually came out of something else. I had done for a friend. A friend of mine was exhibiting at fashion art toronto so she had a line of like jewellery that she designed and you know she was like. Yeah i need ten minutes of music for like a runway show. And i was like okay i can. I couldn't do that. i can do that. This was sort of like this kind of nebulous period in my life. When i was just like i just like i don't know how to be in the music industry right now but i know that i just want to. I know that. I want to return at some point and i know that when i do. I'm going to want to be able to do more than i've been doing before. So i need to start just making lots of different kinds of music right now and learning and more familiar with different styles and techniques. And so i made this thing. Which was i like to think of it. As a suite in four parts and i remember like this was probably months after that and so shad came over and i was just playing embiid. We were just playing each other like music and he wanted to hear that so i played it for him and he was like. Oh actually i really like this second half these last two parts of the of the sweet. What if we what if we turn that into something else and so you know i just right then and there just kind of like opened up a new session. Napleton copied stuff over and then we just like worked on a bit of an arranged. Mantain tweak things the thing. I really like working thing. I really liked about working with shad is that he always has a very clear vision of like what he wants and what he's looking for. He's very good at communicating and very good at Are titillating what he wants to do. And yes oh. He knew that this was the beat that he needed and he knew what we needed to do to kind of like give it the the specific energy he needed for that part of the album which i hadn't heard any of at that point and light. He kept very tight to the vest until the day. It came out but yeah sure enough like when he sent me bars for it. Like several months later i was like this is incredible. I don't understand fully where you're going with this. I only know a little bit. About what the concept of this album is. i haven't heard anything else. I don't know where this sits in the story. But i trust you on this and you know what you've turned in and then yeah like a year and change later when the album came out i was like oh i yeah now i get it. I fully understand it and it still sounds incredible. That was a phenomenal album. I thought for sure us about full spectrum. It's it's been out almost a year now coming out year. Yeah it took a did it take a while for them to come together or was it just something that it took you a while. Just a sit down and figure out that you wanted to release another album. I knew that. I wanted to put out music again and i like. I've been feeling for a long time. It was like i'm overdue. It's been too long and again. That was just sort of one of those one of those self imposed restrictions or or guidelines or rules which again nobody's ever like nobody has ever been checking for me for a new music Before like this year. I think so. I don't know why i felt that but for a couple of years i was just really feeling almost like the failure of not having new music out and it was something that i'd actively known that i was gonna work toward. I didn't know that this was going to be. I didn't know that this was going to be the thing. That i ended up making because again kind of talking about that nebulous period whereas i just need to spend some time making music in kind of a no pressure mindset. And that's really what i did so the songs that ended up losing that that ep were things that i was just making randomly check like one of them is challenging myself to to reinterpret or read do attract do a new track using a sample or like a align that i'd written like years and years ago and it was just sort of like yeah as i've gotten older i don't feel like this reflects me or my musical taste anymore. I feel like i could just do this better now. Another to one track and another beat came out of this writing camp thing that i was invited to. That was helmed by baby face. Another one was just this thing again. Just hanging out with another friend playing music for each other back and forth and then we realized that we had to have the of the same song and then we put those together and then yet the the last thing that came together i think was or the last thing not the last thing that came together but the last track that i that i made to kind of solidify the ep to the last thing that i made that where i knew it was like cool. I have enough music for this now. Was the track with shad and how to do because it was like. I know what all the other songs are. And i know what's missing. I know if i make this thing that's missing. I can give it to chad. He's going to know what to do with it and it'll be. It'll be a wrap that that those were the various various disparate spaces. I was in when i made each of those different tracks and at some point sort of realized along the way. Oh these all belong together. Okay you've said a while ago that you're working on a new ep. A full length up all right is is that going to be music that you know for those people who are watching you on a weekly basis if not more on twitch or who are Patrons of yours on page. Sean is going to be stuff that they're going to be familiar with or this. All net new stuff all new stuff yet. None of it's really out there. There's been one track that i the one track that i sent to a friend of mine for she does. She does a weekly stream where she and a guest will just listen to different people submitted demos and give feedback on them. Yeah so yeah. I just like out of the blue just kind of wanted to test test the waters with this one. I kind of knew how it was going to go. Because i knew it was like ready enough yet so that one has been shared. That one has been hurt by a handful of people who are not really necessarily fans of mine shirt. He may not even know when it eventually comes out again but again like i kind of that was also kind of why i felt comfortable sending it. They're like let me put this in front of a very very different. Very different crowd of strangers Just to get a vibe for it. Because i think my mindset in terms of growing my career right now going back to thinking about those practical pragmatic industry. Things is yeah. I wanna make sure that. I can make stuff that even if you don't know me even if you have every even if against every reason to root for me or support me. You're still skeptical. If i play the music you can't deny it and that was the response. I got from that. So i was like cool. I know i'm on the right track. That is awesome for those people who follow you on your social channels. Instagram twitter They know that you know social matters. Social issues are important to you. I was wondering if you could take a moment to talk to us about the healing collective and black mental health matters. Yes so black. Mental health matters Was a fund that or a fund fund that was started by the healing collective last summer in the wake of a lot of the Social social unrest surrounding. You know anti black racism on a systemic level all across north america. Yeah this group of therapists here and toronto. Were like every black person should be in. Therapy and therapy is not always accessible. So let's put together a fund for people to be able to access therapy. So i saw that and it was like yes one hundred percent. I am myself in therapy. And it's great a highly recommend it. My wife is also a therapist. And i was like yeah. This is very important. what can i do. What can i do to contribute to this. And so you know. I did a fundraiser. I use one of the band camp. Fridays as a as a catalyst for getting some people to pay attention because band camp writers have been great. They everybody who cares about music excited about buying music again. It gets people who are moderately excited about music interested in buying music again because all of a sudden they're being faced with this conversation around like materially and actively supporting artists so i was just like let me use the momentum from one of these to get a bunch of people interested in you know buying stuff off my band camp and then what i'll do is i will donate the proceeds to black mental health matters and then i got a got a call from an an anonymous benefactor who was like. Hey let's How about we do this because you should. You should be able to people who are coming to support you on band. Camp should be able to support you so he said all right. So here's what we'll do you know you. Just keep track of how much you're making across. You know this. This fundraise fundraiser window. Then you tell me how much that is. You keep that money. And i will donate that money. Plus i will match it. And so yeah. That was a great thing from a wonderful person who You know helped me to get a bunch of money that i otherwise would not have been able to donate and get that into this fund and allow allowed black people across toronto to access. Therapy has also that reminds me of. But you've got this line on your website under under black lives matter. Don't just talk about it. be about it. Yup we would would that be an example of someone you know taking someone who has the opportunity to taking action to empower others. Yeah i mean that's that's really it right and I mean it's like i get it. Life is hard. There's a lot of things we all have to kind of juggle and then on top of that life is so much harder or so hard into such different ways for other specific groups of people And then you know you're being asked to care about them as well and take care of them as well and i mean you know. That's not fair. But yes that's that's just the deal that's just the deal so That's kind of where i'm at with it and look not. Everyone can do everything but everyone could do. Something which sounds trite and played out. But that's really so. I mean look not everybody is a community organizer and not everybody's good at fundraising and not everybody's good at making things but you partner with the various people in your life or in your networker in your social circles who may be better those things or have access to those things and you. You figured out figure a way for sure for sure. So paul one of the questions that we like our guests because we'd like other people do our listeners to be able to explore other musicians. What's in your ear earbuds lately Well i mean in addition to a lot of older stuff that i'm trying to remember because that's just what you do to Thinking back to albums that. I've really been spending time with over the last year gabrielle. On montana's new album aguada is phenomenal. I'm very excited about it. My my copy finally arrived a few weeks ago Who else put out some great stuff in the last year in change Take a look at my record. Shelf real quick. Oh the new while not new. But the new pressing off the cowboy bebop soundtrack is also out and that also finally just arrived after a long journey to me. So i'm excited about that i did. I've been a fan of been for a long time and over the pandemic as i've been record shopping online. Because that's kind of the way you have to do things now. So it also made them online worldwide. So i picked up some Some imports from japan. Some some records that were only released. There's there's one compilation of some singles that i think they released prior to or around time of their first album as well as some other stuff that kind of league saw limited releases and no physical releases and then there's another album of theirs which is a live album. It was recorded live at lincoln hall a few years ago and that one's also a lot of fun i mean. I just really like live albums but in that also do some great covers welded do like a cover of a nothing but a g thing and Electric relaxation and some other like hip hop standards. Really liked that Who else has got stuff. Oh mango saint hilaire has been putting out a ton of just like fire all year long magazine to layer is just really incredible. Funny witty. great bars Grime artists from the uk. So been enjoying his stuff and freeze chin who mixed and mastered my ep. Also i don't know if you mix by not masters mangoes stuff too. And he mango actually put out a beat tape as well together a couple of weeks ago. Who else got great stuff The ob gm's album last year. And i think just last week dropped some remixes of a featuring clermont the second also claremont the second withdraw to new video and last week. Yeah i thought. I was going to have also remember already find the time you you've got these Bisco tech performances. You're you're putting together a new full length album. You're listening to new music. Thank goodness you're not on the t. T. c. or having traveled to go and do any of these things true I honestly someone the other day told me that quest love who has been dj -ing every night of the pandemic for four hours. I e spend five hours a day listening to new music. That's what he said. And i have never been the same since i looked the man put in five hours just listening to new music and then he played for four hours. That's that's a full work day plus overtime average shore. So i mean yeah. Where do i find the time i mean. I don't know that i'm finding the time that you that is true. That is true but you know. That's that's sort of the high water. Mark that i aspire to so every couple of weeks i take like a week or two off just to be like cool. I think i'm i think i'm just out of stuff to play in my brain anyway. I need to take some time off not playing not performing so i can just listen to new stuff. Go trump band can't fill up my cart. You that kind of thing. Dig back into my itunes catalog all of this stuff. Try to find new stuff nice. we could. I've gone through. Probably half half the things. I wanted to talk to you about. I would love to win. The new full length is out. Get you back on again to talk about some of the new music but also some of these things that they haven't had a chance to talk. Paul this is big Before we let you go where can people go online To check out your discotheque working people go to To find more about what you're up to. yeah. I'm very easy to find online. At paul chin is my handle on any place that i'm on so you know twitch twitter instagram. Those are those are kind of the three main ones. If you're if you're really about it if you really out that life patriae on Same handle so. Come join me there and get all the goodies. Them king up in the meantime in addition to doing all this other stuff. 'cause i am indeed doing the very most but yeah just come hang out with me online. I'm very easy to spot. My profile picture is basically the same everywhere and as of a few months ago. I got shiny nice blue check marks on most of the big ones so i it's me that's the guy it can this good social media personality ing. I'm i mean. I feel like i'm going through another personal revolution in terms of might online presence because prices have just become the only presences any of us have and yeah i i think i'm becoming tired of certain things certain ways of being online so if nothing else can come online and Just watch my slow and inevitable descent into into pure internet personality. Chaos awesome all again. Thank you so much or joining us. Thanks for For being patient as we got rogers or bell or whoever were using to store it out there internet. I need my new router man. Listen we're looking forward to your new music and for those who haven't go checkout full spectrum on paul chins band camp and again you can find him at. Oh yeah all changed dot com and everywhere else. You'd typo yet paul. Chen you'll You'll find paul a policy awesome. Thank you man. It's been a great great conversation. We probably could have gone for another hour. Thank you paul. All right take care everyone.

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019. Leif Vollebekk

George Ezra & Friends

54:33 min | 2 years ago

019. Leif Vollebekk

"Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to cease to episode seven of George Ezra and France, the podcast, and our guest this week is the lovely phobic. Who is and amazing Canadian is the top of fat. Here's an extremely good sport. And the recent nights that is because this episode couldn't have come about anymore last minute. If we try so how it came about was. Myself in the ban. We had a show it looked to in Canada. I sat backstage I was perusing Instagram, and I saw that Leif had posted the he was playing a show in Montreal day. It was an in-store of source. I might be record store there. So he was playing in a record store or or book show, the conquest. I was suddenly hit with the nose. I just well if you don't ask don't get. So I slid into his DM's. Yes. Indeed. And I said. I do this podcast. I sit down with musicians, and I know this last minute, but I would absolutely love to sit down and chat with you. And if you'd be interested only in town today. If we can make it happen. Whatever needs to happen to me. Yes. Which is amazing. Hence, why such a good sport. He came out about an hour and a half a message on my tour bus kind of sat down chatting. Everything that be does. How does it what he plans to do in the future now? Because of that I would just like to say this episode is of all the episodes of done this have done the least research at the least planning before settling down with the guest. And that's because an hour before we sat down because I didn't know it was happening. So please bear with me for going in that I should also say some people don't believe in jetlag, certainly when I travel initially. I'm kind of inside out, but the front upside down all over the place, and I get a bit jittery con- string sentences together. So that was going on as well. Oh, you're in for a tree really sending on. Nope. It that was going on and just the combination of those things and the fact that I'm a massive fan fan. Boy audley. So please just bear. This in mind when listening to this episode? The thing that I fell in love with Lee. For was an album that he released in two thousand seventeen and it's an album cool, twin solar. Before that. I listen to our live his north Americana, and for whatever reason kind of lost touch with that love the way, and then a friend of mine Noah. No, no said have you heard album twin solitude at the time. I had and then I just fell completely enough with an amazing emotional and album, which I listen to religiously habitually alone time urge any of you have heard album twin of. Listen to. If you've got any in particular, I can remember tons of listen to it on journeys in the back of cars trains planes. If you've got journey coming up, even if your journey to work stickle the album. Scrape from every canoes so yes, thank you for that Sawyer completely rambling. I would just like to say before we get into the halftime break of this podcast episode. We will hear a word from pawns. Charity who Mark? And mind, our charity Hyun UK that help all of us with them into. How big or small wherever we are experiencing. They have people whose main goal is to help us things out and understand better. What is? I think it's fair to say the main aim is to make sure that everybody that needs help can getting. Just before we get to that. If you interested in mind, they have a website now, which is mind dot org dot UK and on that website. There are limits. If you personally feel as if you need to talk to somebody and that that that's their straightaway. When you're the page. That's all it does even if you if you need to somebody urgently there's links that as well. And if you personally don't feel as if you need to talk to anybody. There's also. Link to donate. And of course, charities could only do the amazing what they do if we donate that. Hates tell you. But that's the halftime. So a public just said too much. And if you listen to this outside of the UK, there's a good chance you won't hear that. You might just hearing that I still don't know how that's playing out. But if you're listening to this podcast outside the might. You might. Here we go. Without further ado lethal. So before we start just want to say like how music, and it was you know, kind of the. Algorithms of Spotify. Yeah, they nailed it. So I had another one. And I don't know which one it was then it flowed into your northamericanbankcard two years ago. Maybe two months ago. Like. Zain record. That's great. But then what happened was we want? Aw, last year last summer, and my friend, Noah Villneuve, who is also said he came to see you. Okay. I was looking in fact would call himself Canadian. Okay. Let's say knows Canadian because you have a Canadian accent. He grew up in Bristol k. He was like oh this, dude. Not firstly. If I leave leaf. Yeah. It's great. Hang on. I know that name. Yeah. I'm then he was you need to listen to the twin solitude just. I I don't know. I don't wanna be gushy too. I just spoke to me on a lot of different levels. And I'm still just absolutely. We put it on backstage all the time. Well. Let's. I was like he's like I was like it was like the nicest thing to hear listening to like demos. And I was like my doing the right thing to have some positive. The means the and in the best way, I don't know much about you tool. Just know there's this dude in Canada and records music. I love. It'll be amazing to and find out. Did you grow up in? Montreal. I grew up in Ottawa towers away from here visit north, oh, it's like it's west. It's that way. And it's a small town. No, it's it's surrounded by the Ottawa valley and like countryside, but it's like like, it's the capital kind of like jerk Radic a little bit. You know, it's a bit stuffy some people say. When we were like. When we literally just now kind of put this in to get together. You said she was a small town. It won't take you to get the same. Where you grew up. It's real Ottawa's, even smaller. Okay. I think well where I hang where like you'd go in on it as it gets a bit more sprawling. Maybe I don't know that we know is this Montreal's like the third biggest city in Canada or the hind Vancouver. Try answer. Yeah. Did that was that oppose it to will you play music from young age? Yeah. Well, it was I mean, I really have a soft spot for auto. But I also like, you know, when you grow up somewhere, you know, exactly how to hate it. I know exactly how eight auto. But. But. But that means that I care about it too because I'm disappointed when when a good venue closes and turns into a dance club. You know, the the best venue in Ottawa like turn into a dance club just opened Fridays and Saturdays for like a haul drinks in. No bans deejays that pisses me off means auto with sucks because I loved that venue. But there's not there's not now, it's different. But I grew up. There wasn't a lot of music and Ottawa. How old were you when you kind of start to play at? So these questions are going to be like, oh, yeah. No. I started playing when I was six I guess, I my grandpa played he died when I was six, but he played violin guitar and piano, and so all of his instruments were he left instruments at my at my mom's has my parents has. And so I would when he come over you play. And then when he passed away, I was like asked my mom, if I have violin lessons as like five or six. Yeah. I think it was five because then a year later. I told her you lied. She's like what she's like, what do you mean? I've I she's like a year ago. You told me, I didn't know. I asked you a long time ago violin lessons, you said. Yes didn't. And then she was like she was like heartbroken that. Like she thought. I was like a passing. I've been waiting for years. Yeah. Rectify. She got me lesson than tiny violin? Okay. Yeah. So that's what I did for a long time. And then and then I hated it. And then I I quit because I didn't like taking lessons picked up Qatar. That's when I played everything else, kind of your main instruments guitar and piano. You play on the record as well. The drunk that this guy Olivier plays the on on the Fairfield. He he played a lot with timber timbre as well. There's another team band. No. But the grooves I was kind of like not all of them. But on like allergy and and crew time and into the ether. I was like I was curious exactly the feel and groove. And then he was like oh. And then he liked made it music when I play the kid. It's really. Sounds that. You will be books the beginning. Literally that okay. Yeah. Oh, no. This is. Yeah. Because it's weird. Like he, and I try to different people, and they were all doing the really, well, he's he's maybe the fourth person. I tried that song with there's like solo could stick version of that song. And there's like a like a trip, Hoppy thing that I hate that. I can't believe ended it. Yeah. It was really it was like, you know, when you don't know the army don't know how it's gonna come out. And for me, I need to hear it back. They can on proper speakers. And then you go then you kind of get the image. And then you go. Oh, no. That's not what the song's about, you know. So it's like you write the sign, but then producing the song. People ask. How hard is it to put music around something that you've written an cutting like sometimes it's hard to get that? But there's only one waiting for the phone to sound. I find lends itself to I need to sound like this and it just the hard bit. Sometimes it's figuring out back. And yeah, because it's not it's not about knowing. It's about knowing what you don't want. Like, you're like, well, it's not that. It's not going to be that. It's not going to be that. It's not gonna be that. And then eventually you find what's left, and then you're like, oh, it's that. But it's it's it's it's almost like you have to pick away at it. Like, you know, like the art work is in the stone. And you have to go and get it. It's it's not always obvious. Exactly what I was trying to explain to somebody recently is night so much easier to focus on what you don't want. I think in general, we know more about what we dislike we like. Yeah. Well, in this is that I think I like something I'll try something. And I'll be like, oh, this is great. Let's go in. And then we record it. And I listened back and I go, okay. Yes. Exactly that not that. But he's got to go and hear it. I need to hear it, right? Do you? Is he, you know, musicians in a room recording has live or how. The other records were like live everyone in the room. And it it's easier to know if things feel right, but then the sound becomes a bit washy. And then I realized that it's this selfish thing where I know what it sounded like in the room. And that's what I remember. I don't actually listen to the record. And then other people here like distant version, you know, what I mean? You know what I mean? And on the last one I figured out that we could be live. But it would just be drums and the last songs that I recorded which were the ones I mentioned Vancouver time allergy into the those are the ones that I was like, oh, just me. And a drummer I sing the live vocal take. And we do it next to each other. So there's a little bit of lead. But everything else that goes on. And there's not much is added after convincing clean and also it's less distracting to not have like a bunch of people like I XE. I'm still control freak, you know. Like, I I any. Well, I it's kind of you won't to I dunno. I don't wanna be wasting people's time in the room. I to have an idea of what does that make sense? Yeah. Totally. Well, I find that. Once you for me once I hear the vocal the groove and anything that's just indicating the chords, then I can hear what goes like where where where the holes are or like, you get the feeling of this. And that's what people here when your kid, and you don't know anything about music and hear music, you hear the group you hear like some basic like mush is a feeling like this is, you know, happy sad. Yeah. And like all the all the rain between. I remember until I learned how to like decompose and like pick apart each instrument and a in a song. I just heard the Beatles is like one thing like Agnew hear different voices. You just hear the harmony as like this one. And maybe you'd hear like, you know, after my myself. The is. That's a lot of people listening to my records thing. Yeah. Because where? Musicians. And it's our job to freak out about certain sounds into the thing is actually. And it's no bad thing too. But people listening often. To seek in feeling. It's this weird thing where like it can go either way, it can be that all those tiny, judgments, you made created this feeling that's an explicable or they're all were meaningless in the feeling was destroyed the feeling you don't know because you're just kind of hearing it, you know. Anyway, just to jump back. So you growing up in this town that you have enough heavily. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. It's just that you know, like when I was trying to get a sorry because I know that whenever someone hears me talks shit about Ottawa. They're like fuck you. The only love the ones you hate that. No. It's not a thing. But you you. So you, you know, playing around with guitar, piano. And did you have friends like similar? You in groups with was the opportunities to perform live is there a scene. Never seen. I. Yeah. Like, let's be clear. There's a scene there now. And it's great, and there's a lot of great music and Ottawa right now, but like ten years ago like it was like pretty slim pickings. So then that's when I left to come to Montreal. But when I was growing up in high school, the other friends playing guitar at school, and like I'd try to get band together. But it would just be like I'd be like telling everyone what to play in like it was like nobody was like seemingly as like kung who had like one friend. We tried to do a couple of gigs or whatever. But basically, I was just alone in the basement, and I got little four track cassette recorder. And that's what I would spend. I think it's been most of my time doing that even during school like during the summers. That's what I did. I would like play drums bass violin piano, make song they have all these awful records like five records that. I know. They've they've they were heard they were hurt. I'm people listened to the podcast. We'll get bored of me saying this. I think but we owe so much to adolescence in creative into kids making 'cause they don't question stuff. And I remember being fifteen and sixty and making awful stuff. But. No confident. Oh is this too much daily? So what would these people think unions doing, you don't even know you have influences, you think like, yeah? I like everything likes co play. And I thought it was like because it was my idea. Co player like in grade ten. Yeah. Nobody you. I remember thinking I think in written like, we're like how many songs don't know like seventy eighty it'd been like like a year. But even there was there was no difference. It was just like prodigious. Like, you say you were listening to about his cO playboy. You're listening to grow up. It was really weird smattering. I basically only listen to the Beatles and Motown and like all these stuff because that's what my parents listen to and I didn't even listen to the radio on the FM AM. So that was talk radio or oldies like that's all a so until twelve and then and then I kinda got into like. Yeah. Like, Radiohead and Coldplay. That's it. And then that was it like obsessive. Yeah. I only listen to like one artist at a time all the way through. So I did that co play and Radiohead was it for high school. And then I would and then after has just like when until like Bob Dylan, Neil young. And then. Yeah. And then I went through a prince thing that's put it maybe a miles. Davis thing Charles. You know, do you find the? So annoying people down and go like who you top three influences. Fuck I don't know, but you onset once and then you have to stick to your gun so eighteen in an interview someone else say both Dylan. And I say both Dylan everything, but I figured out. And I love them like fell in love with his music at thirteen fourteen. Yeah. Well, let's see. Well, let's see. Well. I didn't get it. That was when I was first writing I remember used to Jim MP three players will like the USB thing was on the it was a one. Yeah. Yeah. People used to feed the headphones this school jumper down there. And then pretend they're based in their head on the hand. Listen to songs in club. Okay. And I remember listening to the best of billon Kate. And tambourine man was the one that stood house the one that I got into the one I always to you. Yeah. Childish about. Hey, I mean that could be I mean down the hole by that could be easily be one of the greatest songs ever at least one of his greatest. But that was the one that I got into that one would come on. And I just kind of being a trance, you know. And it's like about him being a transplant. Yeah. Oh god. It's so good. But also like he has some songs his song idiot win. There's certain songs were like, you know, he has like he rhyme. It's like a B CCC d q be any like, it's all so it's Sakaew, obviously, it's working on your because you're like waiting for the rhymes to resolve like in the meantime, so the doesn't it kind of makes you feel like the versus actually quite short because you only hear like tomorrow. Works on you. And Mr. Tamarine man is one of those things where like he really did like we've it, you know, and it's coming so the live at Buddha com record. I never really listen. But that was one of the few records that had like of life records and go listen to each and they do temporary, man. And there's this like electric talk. Really cool. Many. I'm into it's called hard rain. Do you know this one it's like post desire? I think and he liked as it's like this Rockin, Dan. We wanna stop pulled cost pub billion where we just definitely going to be a guest. Like, I just spend so much time like warring over these songs and like the different versions. And like, yeah. Like, you know, when he goes that's a fourth usually like figured it out when people cover him, they third, and that's why it doesn't work as, but you're like, screw the melody. Yeah. I'm I'm in deep, but hard rain is a good library. Okay. And so the when you move to monks. You was that with like, this is to focus on music. I gotta go make music, and yeah, I just everyone I knew in Canada that was a musician or made a good record was living here. And so I was like, well, I gotta go. And I just oughta were at the time. I would like book shows, and I was like how do people come to the show? I put out flyers. The internet wasn't really like bumping, you know, and nobody would come. And I would just be like, what am I doing? And then Montreal book to show, and then people were there it made. No sense. This city is like so fertile. It's like it's a gift any addition in Canada in the world. Yeah. And every show I booked and today just at a record store like gig and little record store called nubrik and oblique, I guess and I brought my CD there. And he's and he listened to it. And he's like, I love it. And he sold one hundred copies. And a year, and then big bands were going at the record store, and we're buying my record. And then asked me to open for them. Like, this is the best city to be a musician. He was like that's why it's so hard to. That's why not to to be like, oh Ottawa. But at the time out of it wasn't what I needed, but I need it was this city, and it just always, you know, I just perfect for stealing other people's drummers. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's it's a great city for that. And it it does exactly that when you come here. You felt welcome straight away. Yes. Contacted you have a friend. You're staying with the not really I like a friend from high school was was was living here and we were roommates, but he was in the jazz scene. So it's like a totally different thing. I just kinda. Yeah. You just kept. I kept meeting whenever I met someone. That was amazing. I'd be like, hey, you wanna be my band? They say, yeah. Okay. Sure. You know, that's kind of how it went. So how you buy shoes? Disappeared. So I'm kind of like I feel like now the incubation period in the city is kind of over. Now, it's kind of like I feel like I'm meeting people from further and further away that tend to like that I wanna play with that influence me. So right now, it's just like. Yeah. Like just me. And like my drummer a few different drummers, really like. The thing that I think rob me with North America. First. He's like I love. Geography music you. I mean for me, I never been there. But like. That's the thing. Yeah. When you haven't been somewhere, that's like pretty grain. Well, yeah. That weird like like teenage confidence, but also the moments of this place. But it's kind of I'm with twin solitude as well, as you mentioned places in you, kind of time stump places to isn't. Have you done of exploiting? You have you been out and kind of? Yeah. I like that I like travelling like I just like travelling and being in different places, and then I don't like being anywhere without a purpose. And so I like, and so being a musician is this weird. Like, wait. I'm going to play music elsewhere. That's all I wanna do. That's great. But yeah, I I noticed that. I always did it like name places, and it's like a classic song thing too. But I was I'm rather like consistent with name dropping of cities. But I just was like I'm not going to stop it. If it comes. And it just seems to be like this color that like like a backdrop, you know, we're like a like a set for like a for play, you know? And it's just like, well, here's the set design. It's it's gonna be this town, and then anything can happen. And then it just there's this Jackson position, that's constantly happening. That allows you there's nothing that's better than traveling being somewhere. You. Ervin before and you see a sign you're like, oh, I Jackson Johnny cash field. You have like even though it makes no sense. It's not really logical. But emotionally, you're like connected. You know, and and you have an idea for that just threw three minutes and twenty seconds. Exactly. And it just. Yeah. Just like makes you feel good. Yeah. And this is about like him being in love with you know, that is that that the one that starts with got married and. Song like Dr Jackson, maybe getting gas. And you're like thinking about like China that it's not the right thing to have done some of that girl. And you know, what that's a great question. Because he's say like, you know, if there's other girls out there here, I come. I'm fairly. Look this up that good of Johnny cash amazing poster. That was like, I I'm fairly sure it was America of just the sum of each town. That's being you know. This time I'm walking to. Yeah. The whole map. That's how I see the world. No joke. That's actually how to see the world like. Yeah. And and Bob Dylan's the best the best is one. You know, it's it's buried in the song. And it's not the title. That's the best. You know, if you see her say Hello. She might be in ten years. Like, you know, like, you know. Oh my God. That's the best. I've just released echoed my second record. And I still don't know if I've gotten away with it or don't buy openness on with once upon a time in South Africa. Okay. Never thought I would open. That that school thing. And then they woke up, and it was older dri. Doing that. But it's no that that's great. You can do. Yeah. It's perfect. Do you know this guy, Gregory Alaniz when? He'd love him. He's he's born in South Africa. Okay. Speaking up and yet. No, he's he's as you would say brilliant. He's. Yeah. Please stuff. It's like so really kind of like a Leonard Coney. Yeah. Covered. For you Canadian boy. Just on the worst thing by being. Yeah. It was like a big thing. It's like this again, I have the love hate thing. 'cause like I like I didn't like him at first. And then I like felt deeply in love with this first record and listen to it all the time. And it was like this just I'd go to sleep putting it on. And it just put it on slip it over and put it on again. And my first record like whichever we don't like I have like little letter Cohen references. You know? I'm just like, you know. Yeah. And then then you break free, and you're like, okay. And then I thought I thought I was good. And then in the in the last couple years, he just kind of came back, and like just insinuated himself in my life in many different ways songs. Good again released album when I just signed record label, and they will they were working on the album. Okay. And so I think they do that thing. Like, yeah. Take a co payment. The classic. Yeah. The CD is old ideas. I didn't listen to that one busy. It's amazing. They're always amazing. It's like I don't want it to be. I don't want to go in because I don't need more than he's that. He's going to kill it. But there's something about him is it's very like spiritual music. It's like, it's hard. I don't think you really can cover. Leonard Cohen song in the I mean, you can't sometimes in some of the ones. And then when you do everyone does it how and like. But in general, there's this thing that he brings to the song like this. He's got this like monk like spiritual presence that when he sings songs, they go all the way. And when you cover it. I mean, you could maybe do it your voice kind of. Conan conference record. No. I think the thing I always get from this too. I called hope it think. East kind of. Having a laugh at my expense. Listen to it like, he's drumming chains. There's just like a little ROY smile and what he says. Common like a humor. Always of course. But like little a wit. It's kind of. I don't know. I think he was a cheeky, man. I think cheeky, but. Yeah. But it's because I think also that he's deeply emotional person. But I think also, you know, from I think he he felt pain in an intense way. And I think like comedians are often like people are so winded and and having to suffer because comedy is the is is the only time that you can like suppress your emotion. That's what's funny is like you put your emotions aside and make a joke. You know, the English. Excellent at that. You know? And I think there's something about Leonard Cohen where like because it's so heavy. He liked can get away with making something funny because he's hurting enough that is the only way to make the cut deeper somehow. I don't think he's laughing at you. I think he's I think he's laughing at the situation, which makes you for me. It makes me like Leonard Cohen sings you're Leonard Cohen, you know, like when he says like I'm lonely ear lonely like he just kind of like you. I find that. He's never singing to me. He's like singing right next to me. You know? Welcome to the half time break could be into. This is the part of the show where I take community to tell you about I'm doing what is going on in my life. Record these early in January two thousand nineteen so as I look ahead. There is just an awful of touring. From here. We're going to be doing shows Divi Australia New Zealand to anybody the tickets for those shows thank you very much in March. We head out on the biggest tour I've ever done of the UK when I say biggies that. I mean, the amount of bakes imprint certainly decides the venues playing and they're huge. So that's extremely exciting. Also nerve wracking if I think back for too long by ten to. Gye to that. And of course, you to anybody. I knew I keep saying if if we one of those keeping. 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Go in Scotland. And we were driving back down from that show, and I had it on and on and on. And it just it feels like it's moving as record it feels like. It's about being in transit somehow. Yeah. Yeah me. Oh, great transit. Yeah. Yeah. Just want to know is there particular stories that it came any came from where you're on the move and. Yeah, I mean, I guess I was touring a lot. And so that's mostly what I also I find that when you travel, you just you don't know what's gonna stick. It doesn't sound like you're talking about doing, which is a brilliant thing. There's nothing worse than when people like another chance. Yeah. We did. I think I'm on my second record, and I was like Kat lines. But sometimes I I go stir crazy, even if I'm not touring, especially if I'm not traveling with instruments like an emotional thing as well. And so it's nice to be completely like, no, no bag, or at least know, like expensive keyboard or like grandfather's guitar that you're in love with you know, that you can't. Yeah. But like, you know, I yeah. I would make -scuse would be book show in Colorado, and then put a show in L A and then like drive alone. Two shows were like pretty small to do that. Yeah. But I always try to give myself time and wherever I am get there early or stick around at few days just to like. Yeah. And empty my head. But for me, it's like I see things that you don't expect to see. And then you don't know when. But then later when you're at home writing, they're all like waiting all these images are just kind of hanging around. Yeah. But that was I don't know if I make a record that I like as much as the last one, I actually feel I was like this thing that I've been I finally just kind of was like, oh, I'll just write the songs as they come and not decide what kind of record. This is if it's like this style or or it's going to be poppy or not. And so yeah. So although songs kind of me being pretty relaxed like and like kind of just like random as they came. And so it's for me. It's a really calm record. And and I I like twenty twenty or twenty five songs that we record it. And we only kept those. I mean, we me and. Myself. Only ten and it was the ones that had that feeling that I think that kind of us. Anything that might be jarring. While it runs. I have another songs that were more like finger pointing and like other ones where you maybe even like violent like like like like like a crime scene kind of thing and other ones we're like folk here thing, and the ones that stuck with these ones that had this kind of similar groove even and like tempo that just kind of like was kind of meditative, and I was like if someone falls asleep or cooks to this record. I won't be it's that's that's ideal. Like kind of soup. Like, you could put it on. And not listen to it. And it would still feel like something as as you know, when you're kidding. You hear music it just makes you feel something. And that's why I wanted, you know, and if you get like the lyrics, cool, if you didn't cool, but it's a it's kind of a boring record. I think. Matthew benson? Who is a lovely man plays trombone in the band on the road. And he sets me just yesterday. It was we're backstage, and I put it on. And he said is the funniest thing normally in a month turnaround. I kind of fooling with an album, I get it. And then I'm over by the end of the month, two months, and he just said, I still haven't Susta out. I'm still listening to and I'm not bored. Like, I just still working for me time. I don't think it's. Including I think for some. It's like very specific. I think if you if it's like if you're in the zone for the record, I think it works. But I think a lot of people could be like, I don't know. Like what's going on? Kind of view we action. Do you go? Do you ever feel like oh too? Many people are talking about with enough people talking about this record I want. How do you see that side of it like saying? You know? I don't know. You are you. You'll you'll relationship with an audience. How do you see that? I only on the live side only on the lifetime. So and that's the best thing shows happy. You know, that's the beginning. That's the stressed out. Hopefully, you don't screw it up. And then try to go to the next place with part of the thing about the record was that. I remember thinking if things were this sparse live. I could do anything I wanted and people would know the songs, and like no the structure's not to not be needing like too, many hooks or anything. I could just do whatever I wanted. And so it's been really fun to play the record live because it's just like some songs are just two cords. Do you? Stay now. Apparently, not okay. My mind. It's like the central stuff is there. But that's not you know, it's like production like it. It could go many ways. I think it's pretty different. Yeah. It's a bit. It's a bit edgier and limit faster because I don't think you know, there's like your parts of it faster when people. You just like, you don't think you left. That is good. It's not the same anyways. But maybe not as good. I don't know. I should have. No, no. But I mean like, I don't think it's not good. It's just that. It was just this one thing like the kind of songs that I wrote those are kind of like, I I've been waiting a long time to write these songs. And now, I started we're gonna another record. And I really like it. But it's just so different. Like, it's not remotely the same. It's like that was just this thing that happened. Now, it's like onto other things, you know. So it's like the kind of quiet like the quiet this of it. I feel like I don't know. Maybe everything's the same. Maybe maybe the next racking like totally the same. I in my mind. Yeah. Yeah. That's the record defeat. That's always the record to be. Oh, man. Always says even even thriller with another single and every time I'm like come on that give give a break. I'm in here. My best you kind of touched on something that is different between US Fish. Oh, you just touched on is kind of like USA how you're looking forward to not relying on hooks in songs, and that's kind of why in my writing. It's kind of like how many can we like when I'm in the studio ova pack, and then pull some way boys. We'll see I love hooks. And it was just on this last one. It was just I tried to add things, and it was like it just needed to songs say, no, they were they had lots of stuff, you know. And like it would just be like oh God. And it would just sound bad. It was there was just lots of stuff happening. Even though there's not a lot happening just lots of space and exchange. But no, I love hooks. Like, I mean, that's all I listen to like poppy like like hooking things, you know, like prince or even like thriller that is the record. I mean. That's the best record ever. Maybe you know. I mean in that world. Yeah. I just I'm kind of deal. I love hooky pop music, and I do really actually. When I'm by myself listening to stuff often, I will see something more like yours than when I go into the studio. I see I I wouldn't often put on thrill thing. One thing. I think it's too which is bizarre with about that. Was interesting because I it's because I was thriller. But like once once a week. The past like couple of months kind of my reference like record because. Studio, and you're like I had my fill of hooks. It's like a balancing thing, you know. I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. Do you? So you working on a new album? Now, did you have? To go like. Idea of why want an album to sound let's go and do it. Or is it just a working? Mccourty? It's it's the two things. It's like, I know exactly what I want. But it's this. It's this. It's this thing that I I can't describe and I can't see. But I know I know it, and I just go hunting. And you don't know when it's going to be done because you don't know when you'll caught it because you don't even know what you're hunting for like, you don't even know like, this is the rabbit you came for, you know, but you know, you know, did you're gonna go to it obsessively. Tell you can't do it anymore. Really wanna talk about my favorite is tell you right L. Yeah. I mean, I never been there. So. Yeah. East of Eden? So between my first and second beco-, I read to Steinbeck levels one grapes of wrath and one was east which you prefer. Am I right in saying grapes of wrath is the one that is the most heartbreaking ending of time. Is it the one where they're on the move ahead into California? That's your. I haven't read. I just I've never. Outside of my reality. Nothing is ever made me. So hope like it was just too. It was like the came a time when there wasn't much left of the book. And I realized it wasn't getting any better situation was fixing itself. And I was oh, he's just he's just going to bad. Bad putting realized not enough pages to fix these problems. That are more than one hundred dream base being woken up from. From. Book by cover member. What happened what happened yesterday? It's all it's all inside, you put down east of Eden having anger like I have about that or know out that, but just you know, willow is referenced issues just like, yeah. Well, that's it. Like, the son has nothing to do with the book excite on the fact that I was reading a book I had that thing about like the number of pages. We're left was a problem for me because it was like there's not this is gonna end. You work in on a record. Now. Gee, to- even Nestle is it just it's an ongoing. Last year. I was gone like basically all year, and then I had to ask my my booking agents. Who are amazing? I was just like let's like give me like a few months where I don't have anything. So I I'm not thinking about getting ready for the show. It's like. It's like if you wanna like actually figure out what the next thing is you can't really be like walking out the door within twenty four hours. And you know, you wanna have this set be the freshest it can be, you know, or at least the best. It can be a half written song is a good idea to throw in there. You know, unless it's done. Yeah. So I'm just playing I'm a little bit less than tore again, more in the fall. But right now, I'm just doing like cake every month. Forget about the world. And then few weeks till I realize that. Yeah. Yeah. According amazing. And is there anything like? You were sent how your brother has a hockey cards. Music that you can back on getting too much. No. But I did too which I was thinking about how you got it to again because two years ago, I think it's two years ago. Yeah. Two years ago. I did a comedy night with only musicians during comedy. Did you? Yeah. But I like I like put together this evening with like, I only allowed musicians to do sets. And it was because most musicians I know are very funny 'cause they have to like get themselves out of many situations, especially like in when they're starting out in bars that can need to be funny to like get something, you know, going. Do it went. They went really, well, everyone was like vomiting nervous. And and everyone who came wanted to see everybody fail which is the perfect like audience by kind of ready to go them and like and everybody like just destroyed. It was so fun. I just got a bunch of musicians. Montreal to do it. Listen to to put causing particular just interviewing comedians, and I found I really enjoyed it. When I was recording this album because I've found out to listen to other music. I want to talk about I just. It was like it was still entertainment, and it was still toying in creativity. But it was comedian. Yeah. I mean, that's my that's comedy. It's great. But I mean, there's like a David Letterman was doing his new show their here's interviewing somebody, and I won't point. He's an being somebody who's JC. Quite sticky. So when watch too. Okay. What is sticky me? Just because that's another English word. Quite get going. That's what it seemed like maybe that's why haven't finished. But I won't point. Why this is this is sticky. Fang I guess is that he was like David Letterman like is it ever like he must be like kind of like writing a song? Like sometimes I joke comes to me. I know it's good, and it it's done fully formed and it comes out of nowhere gift. And then sometimes I just work at it. And I work on it work at it. But in the set when I tell it they both got the same laugh, they both work. And he's like that must be like that. I I remember going. Oh, Dave, you just you just said the thing that I was like, oh, I just wanted to hear somebody say that because I used to think you know, like the Dylan camp of writing really quickly and it being a hit. And then the letter Cohen camp of spending four years, and then it's like different and like what works and ends like everything just happens. And when it's good it's good when it's done it's done. And I was like I felt great. And then Jay Z was like, no, not really that's comedy. Not really. Yeah. I was like, oh, that's great because. Yeah. Because sometimes you think, you know, I'm I'm sure the same when it comes quickly, and it works, you think that that's the only way to do it and your failure the other times. But most of the stuff you do. I'm sure it didn't happen. Time especially when I'm by myself. Sometimes I right Joe often Joe writing par-, pardon bounce ideas off each other and everything whereas like just released a single paradise. Yeah. And I came up with the verse melody, and then maybe eight months later came up with pre and then like probably four months off the bat. That's not me everyday trying to I just I picked up the time. That's why I choose to play as an idea. And then sometimes something comes I think that's the thing is that it's not about nothing comes from like beating your head against the wall. Because then that's the mood that goes into the song, you know. And maybe it's never healthy. No, it it can be really unhealthy working on on me sick. Yeah. And chasing things that that shouldn't be chased. But you know, you never know you never. I'm like digging into just absolutely left the record. Thanks. I don't want to. I kinda don't want these twin I do need to you have a show to do. Yeah. I'm gonna who venue inside is really nice. Yeah. Time to just. Yeah. Thank you very much for doing. This is so thank you so much revenue sweet. 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Paul Chin

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Paul Chin

"Are those shows on sessions. They okay. They're fun yeah. I mean felt like being at a live show. is it just. You're just watching like a concert on tv. Yeah little more interact. Well it depends on the band. The band Some are in more interactive like just talking to the audience and then some are really just really so. Can you interact with the band. No no no. It's it's more just like they are playing by well. I guess there's a chat a chat as well the attract and so how is the band interacting with the crowd. Sometimes taking questions i know. I know there's a saying to kelly. I was surprised the show that we watched this past weekend. how little the musician attracted versus the other one. His his was more of a show I don't know if i don't know if they're interacting -sarily with the chat but what's interesting is you can actually buy upgrades so you could do like vip meet and greet beforehand for a hundred bucks or whatever you okay. I've seen that only allows so many people by the mean high. The following podcast is brought to you by radical road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of leslie. Dill find him at eleven. Seventy seven queen street east. That's radical road brewery. A this is paul chapman musician producer internet phenomena and. This is welcome to the music. Welcome welcome welcome. Welcome thank you for joining us. Really appreciate the time. Yeah thanks for having me. it's Nice to talk to people who don't live in my own house. You have a lot of people there that live in your house that you're sick and tired not a lot. i mean. I'm not sick and tired of any of them and my best friend and that's cool but it's also just. They're still the same people they were a year ago. And i'm all out of variety can't believe as soon as you said that it has been almost a year up on our one it is. It is nuts. So let me ask you this right off the bat. Then how how have you been keeping. This becomes a surprise to literally anybody. But i'm good. I'm good. I'm built for this life And all it took a global pandemic to allow me the luxury to live with it. Yeah i mean this even before this. My my whole ethos has gradually become one of our really. Wanna leave the house. Unless i'm going out to get paid or going out to get my friends paid You know. I'm just trying to have a good time and then come home and just make stuff that i like and yeah now i have every excuse in the world to do that and i get to look sponsoring kind and caring human being doing so did you. Did you have your your like. Did you have your whole setup in studio in the house before we went. Got into all this. Yeah not on the level it is now because as you faces and glowing sony a seven three camera acting as a way overpowered webcam and if the gopro behind was back i could hit a switch. And then you'd see that. Yeah it so. Everything was in the house and i finally just had an excuse to spend the last little bit of money just kind of pulling it all together so that i never have to leave ever again once one incredibly antisocial i realize but it's just i don't like a lot of stuff. I just really liked the things that i like and now i just had to find that enthusiasm for things that i like inside my own house. That's what i'm doing now. Fair enough fair enough are you also. You've sort of spruce. Stop in spiced up your setup there. Are you also one of those people. That's looking for a bigger places. Well i mean who can afford to look for any other place than the ones they're the pandemic was going to finally lace of justice to the real estate market in toronto. And no it only exacerbated thing. So i don't know i mean in general i'm not i hope i never have to move. Been at the place i've been at was like two thousand and twelve and we're very happy here. You know. my wife also works from home a lot of the time as well. We have the space in the freedom and the flexibility to do that. We have multiple wars in the place. We live a we got a floor. Our house has the floor. Then there's room like the setup we have is great and nice you know the the spot is rent controlled so i could never find another place like this at this price point. Even if i tried right yeah no. It's been it's been great. I very fortunate. I fully realize i fully acknowledged this. I'm very fortunate to have had kind of all the ducks in a row that i had the formed. This completely never planning for this to be the reality that we live in. Crib is great. All the stuff in. it's great. I live with inside are great and yeah so why why would i want to go out. Fair enough fair enough. Thought it's true although you know playing live music or playing in front of like life people rather than them being on a screen. Yeah i miss that. That's that's the thing that's kind of bite can't do anything about it. I can't do anything about it. The other thing is. I've also realized i how much i enjoy playing on on a live stream on screen and all i think that has just very different advantages experience. It's a thing that none of us really were doing before or even if we did it was just not a thing that we ever thought about and now i just kind of has to be so you know like all making our livestreams better for those of us who were doing it. Relieves him branka. You their art. And i've come to you know really appreciate the nuances of it. I think we're losing their. I've experience and you know. I think everyone knows that but at the same time. There's a lot of other stuff that you get with the livestream that you just don't get by playing in real spaces for one. I can also talk to everybody. Who's at the show you know. And i don't have to feel drunk people stumbling into the booth trying to make requests not gonna play not playing that song. Yeah it's great so it's it's very much just like again all the things that i talk about. You know loving being at home. I'm just hanging out. I don't have to get dressed up. I don't have to pay. Tt fair or pay for an toget- home. I get to play whatever i want. I'm hanging out comfortable and you know if people wanna show up in. Hang out as well. They're free to do so and the only people who have to be there are people who want to be there. Episode true paulie. Just shut down our cameras. I just said that we could conserve bandwidth. But i wanted to actually spend some time on this whole idea of live music versus streaming. I wanna start off on the live music site of things obviously before last march You know you sort of some research and you know you were playing in places like the garrison adelaide hall and an wrong bar among other places probably. I'm just curious do you. Do you remember the last live. Performance new did. yeah actually Last live performance. I did was a friends and family show that i threw in december at the shop. Formerly parts and labor and yeah. It was just a thing that i did. I personally invited like a couple of hundred people Just to come in a long time next spring. It's pretty much already. I have this whole alive visual thing. That i'm working on for that and i wanna like actually try out in a space with people and see how they feel about it. Yeah so. I was asking people to come in personnel texting people. I was dealing people. I you know. Reach out to people who like i met at other shows and all like formed relationships with them around that stuff and i was just like. Hey look i i. I'm about embark on a very arduous journey of having to constantly sell myself to strangers all the evidence right before them will not be convinced that i am worth the time where i'm worth the the attention or just wants for just once i would like to just play a show where i don't have to worry about that again that say about streaming. Everyone who's here is here on purpose. Everyone who is here is here because they wanna be. It's a good time together right like it's all people who i know for a fact care about me support. My music support my art support. What i'm doing. What i'm about and so i want to kind of honor that and no pay respect to those people who've been with me for a long time or a little bit of time but you know have made that that impact on me personally. He's a great time great. Have you found that Like have you found that. The audience has had to adjust. And where i'm going with. That is i think about like you know. At the beginning there was a couple of bands. A member of to watch dropkick murphys their saint patrick's day party lab streaming and then there was sort of a lull and then we started heading into more more musicians and like sessions sessions line becoming available for support. So did you. Did you find the audience had to adjust or au one hundred percent like we're almost a year out and people still don't know to you which people still don't know how to do that. And this is not you know speaking disparagingly but it's it's a thing that existed before this time right like there's a there's a way of using it. There's a language there's a culture so people who are just like yeah live. Music is just what it is. And i'll never have to think about any alternative to this now have to be like. Hey well i guess. I have to remember to tune into this thing at the specific time is basically like we've been trying to teach people how to use cable which as a person who in the last few years recently acquired access to cable through my building. I i still don't know how to use it right like i still. I know generally how it works. Which is you tune into things at the time they tell you it's on you can search for things in this guide or with this particular interface and you can watch things but you also get served commercial right like all of these lee vaguely familiar with in terms of how they work and what they are. But that's just not how we live our lives. That's not. That's not the way that we think about things so in the same way. It's like you try to teach a net flicks generation how to use cable. It's similar to teaching people who just get up and leave their houses to go see shows how tune into something at twelve o'clock in the afternoon and engage with the engage with the artists and the audience in a chat right. It's a lot of new and different things that people are not unfamiliar with in isolation. But they're just very unfamiliar with that experience in engaging this this particular experience in language i know you have a is it a weekly show called discount tech. Yeah three times a week. Mondays wednesdays fridays. All right so three times a week do this so is it probably tell me about that. Show on on on your which channel disco check about. What could people expect when they tune in. Yeah it's it's everything i described. It is me hanging out having a great time listening to music that i love playing music that i love And yeah just kind of hanging out with my friends. I said it at noon eastern because was like cool. You know even people who are working from home low. Can you hear us. Hello young back. Okay i watched my wife. I think just bounce off the network and then start climbing up the bars again and as soon as you started talking that last answer you you left us a let me let me let me ask it again. So you're you've you've gotta show on your twitch channel discotheque. Mondays wednesdays and fridays at noon. Correct that's it. What what can people expect when they tune in. Yeah it's everything. I described before it's me hanging out at home and just play a bunch of music that i love. It's it's a great vibe at noon. 'cause even work from home people get to take a lunch break so if i play for two hours you can pop in for one. Maybe yeah and i'm just playing music. The thing that i learned after a couple of months is that when you play music that regularly and you play music in one space as opposed to playing at different venues around the city or going on tour you often tend to play to the exact same people every time which is great in enough itself. It's just not what i'm used to so it's also been kind of like a challenge or an exercise for me in trying to keep things new trying to keep things fresh trying to remember how much music i have and all the music that i forgot that i used to play so it is really just sort of like my descent into nostalgia and a little bit of madness like live on air as i just dig through you know like gigabytes and gigabytes and gigabytes of music that i've just hoarded over the years And figuring out new and cool in interesting ways to play all those things together. That's that's fascinating correct. Go ahead greg. You're mute. I suck every show. I saw right below it all right now. What is gonna sing was thinking of pre pandemic and now what you're going through in the shifts and that and you talking about this exploring are in finding or refining music. Like how do you think that's going to impact or once we get through this. How's that going to impact your music thing I don't really know that is going to impact in a way that it already. What like that that. I wasn't doing. Because i as i kind of started working on this last ep. It was sort of a a shedding of all these expectations. And and sort of rules. That you either. I place on myself arbitrarily or that. I kind of thought that the industry was placing on me. That you kind of have to fit into these boxes. Were that you kind of have to market things in very specific and try to entry ways end. Yeah so as. I worked on this record in particular it was just me being like well. What if i didn't though what would happen like what if i just made the music. I wanted to make how i wanted to make. What if i actually just committed to the ideas in the beliefs and things that i have and things that i hold to be true for myself as an artist and as a fan and lover of music. What if i did that. In the way that i made music and similarly. That's kind of what. I'm doing now in the way that i play right like i i. It's my show. it's my venue so to speak. It's my all of these things. So i don't have to think about the usual things. Okay so it's a hip hop show. So i just play that or it's a more corporate environment so i played you know more top forty stuff or whatever like i don't have to think about any of that stuff. I just get to fully. Just do what i want with the music that i believe in and and yet this entire experience of being able to do that from the comfort of my own home and and you'll still have like an audience who comes back for that and have you know people who continue to seek that out or discover that and validate that and be like. Oh this is such a cool thing. You're doing it's it's great and now i'm just like yeah i'll never go back. Why would i do anything else. So it sounds like you know once you know oh it is not a thing as large as it is now you know. Bunch of people are getting vaccinated. It sounds like you'll probably do more shows like you did at the shop where it's maybe invite only it's a it's a it's a pop showed you know you're not advertising it all over the place versus you know you're you're part of a bigger show you're one of maybe a few other people you're playing at a place that people know and go to for a certain types of music it sounds like you've you've figured out what you what you wanna do. It sounds like this pandemic has really helped you that way. Yeah i mean. I don't necessarily know that. I'm gonna continue to do like secret. Shows or whatever like that all the time because it is still a bunch of work and especially like if i'm not getting to do other kinda shows elsewhere. Where tour or anything like that. But it's nice to know that. I now have the option to do that. And now also have a year of credible evidence to validate houses and things. Because now i can just be like. Hey you know. I wanna play this show where i wanna play this way or this is what i wanna do. And you know. I can pitch shows or try to work with a motor venues or whatever to do a certain type of show. And if they're not feeling it then i can just be like well cool. I didn't need you for a whole year. I don't really need you now. i can like i know what to do otherwise alternatively this is this is fascinating. Greg i don't know what you think. Paul i'll be honest with you. We've spoken with you know almost on a weekly basis we're talking with musicians and a lot of are just you know are are just not playing are are longing for when they can go live. They're you know they're some livestream stuff you know here and there but it seems you've really leaned into this and greg. I haven't. We haven't really spoken to a lot of people that i agree. I agree it's a it's been a fascinating chat with you because Yes cream said like so many people are ted. They're they're nervous of temptation about it or whatever you just really even braced him in. It's awesome. I i mean i don't really mean to come off as like An anti live show person or anything like that. i hope that's not the vibe. I'm giving off. But i'm literally writing an album right now. That is kind of about. How much missed the club but also through the land. It's it's it's kind of about how much i miss the club but is also through the lens of like a person who didn't always have the greatest time at the club or didn't always have a great time with the way that the club existed before and i think that that's another real thing that like we aren't like artists industry folks venues themselves like everyone just kind of needs to be honest about this and start having honest conversations and dialogues about this. Which is that. The music industry and the live music industry was not an equitable or great place for everyone. Not all the time and so in this time where those are just all gone. They're all gone for everyone. Not just those of us who were sort of second class citizens in the live music world for lack of a better description but like for everyone right. It doesn't matter how big you are. It doesn't matter how many stadiums you can sell it. You just can't play that show right now and so you can do other things and so there. This is just sort of a time where i guess like waxing nostalgic about all the things that she used to do and how you used to do them and all that stuff. I think. Now's the time where you where artists should really be having deep and earnest soul searches into that stuff. And i miss. I miss the club. But i don't miss shake trying to shake down promoters for the money they owe me trying to like get a facebook event popping and i don't miss overloading everybody that i know with information about yet another show while all of our mutual friends who are also artists are also doing the same. I just don't miss that life. I don't miss the life. And so if nothing else i think. The greatest benefit that live music ovid videira live. Music has given us is that we have options being presented to everyone and being presented as viable virus. Rooms aren't even knew it's just that. Hey when kind of forced to spend the time learning how to use twitch or learning how to use ob ass or whatever people will just do it and people will have a good time and it'll be a different kind of good time but people will do it and there's no there are just aren't any more excuses in terms of what's good enough so when we when we get back to like when we get past this The streaming stuff aside when we talk about live shows with the loss of so many venues. And it's just getting just gets worse by the day. It seems that's an it is what it is do you see. Do you see that level set happening in the live venue circuit. Or do you. Do you think it's going to become more of a challenge for up and coming musicians with with the with the loss of places to play. I think that we're beginning. I don't think that any one event is really going to be a sal- like i just don't like i don't see any of these. Even these unprecedented events actually doing much to move the needle when this is all over and we and we have the opportunity to go back to the way it was of course people are gonna go back to the way it was the vast majority especially those who wielded power over the situation before right like why would a like what incentive do they have to do anything differently or to approach things differently. I don't think there's anybody anybody any significant position of power in the music industry. That is doing things out of the goodness of their heart or doing things. I think it's it's it's good for the culture overall or it's good for artists or it's good for any of the that's not real like i cannot be convinced that is truly a significant enough motivation for people who are doing stuff like managing and balancing billions of dollars in raffin or lives so revenue and multiple venues or even one venue right like at the end of the everyone has bills to pay balance sheets to balance But what i think is going to come out of this or has at least begun to come out of this is there's more visibility on alternative routes and alternate options for being a performing artist. And i think more options is going to be bet. More options for artists is always going to be a better thing. I would like to you know as soon as we can get outside and safely and responsibly. Do this again yeah. I'm trying to go on tour. I was actively working on setting up dates in multiple cities. And all this other kind of stuff. And that's still a desire. I hold to this day but if you know if for whatever reason any body tells me no because you know i don't have to accept that as i just don't have to accept that you know as as as a definition or as a As a definition or as any kind of like judgment on what. I get to do as an artist and i think that's kind of the thing that i'm sitting the most comfortable with. Yeah there's while there's so many directions we can take this one. I one before we sort of go somewhere else. I want to ask your your thoughts on on on on venues. You talked a bit of a few minutes ago about Of the dichotomy having good experiences. Maybe when you win as a a as a consumer of music or maybe one of your first performances and then more recently sort of having that turn into more negative or bad experience I'm curious if if if that's sort of a general A general thing about music and music venues maybe specially here in toronto or if. That's you know in specific venues that you know you were a as a young artist. You know just stoked to play at that you know when you went there was like aw damn. This isn't as as glamorous as i as i hoped or thought it would be. I mean both of those things were happening in my life concurrently like i was having great times playing shows and terrible times playing shows and and great times and terrible times attending shows all like all like week after week and and i think that that kind of taught me about the complexity of live music specifically here in toronto. That was kind of the thing that gave me my first into you. Know who's in charge of what or who is responsible for why things are the way they are here versus there or whatever And you think about toronto specifically right like venues are owned by promotion companies right like not individual promoters and venues don't necessarily have their own individual in-house promoters they you know. They and the promotion companies are essentially synonymous right. So you think about danforth music hall which is owned by embrace which is in turn now owned by live nation. That's a that's just three sort of parties or three degrees of the thing but that also that one venue accounts for so much money and so much activity and so much opportunity in live music in toronto. And then you multiply that by how many venues that embrace and or live nation owns and then the other ones that they don't necessarily own but obviously get i think priority access to And then you also in the same breath kind of have to put those up against individual venues that are like oh yeah like a couple of people who own a bar together and they're trying to get some dj's or they're trying to get some live acts in an all this other stuff and even before the pandemic migra. My greatest lament for toronto live music was the erosion of sort of like the middle class of artists. Because you know you know twenty thousand nine hundred if you were nobody just coming up out of your bedroom for the first time trying to get a gig. You weren't necessarily going to land at the drake hotel but there was like maybe a coffee shop somewhere or a small bar or some sort of diy. Venue that you'd be able to get into and do stuff and you wouldn't make any money you'd probably lose money but you know you're really only trying to get twenty people out at a time and and there's plenty of space for that to happen or you are ono. Push a t who is like one of the last shows. I remember playing at a danforth musical. Or you're flying lotus. And you're touring with Support so there isn't even any need for a local opener or your whoever right and you're playing these much larger shows or your the chain smokers playing the acc right. Like there's there's stuff way up at the top and they're way down at the bottom and those of us in the middle class we kind of have you know the same six venues to juggle between all of us and you know. They're closing by the day at or and or they have a very stacked schedules right. And it's very difficult to get into those venues. Even when you personally know people who book those shows or program you know events it those spaces and so on and so forth marriages dropped off guangzhou. That's fine did not smash. I hope not there you go. So there's a. They're all of that happening even before. Cova d- so i like all that stuff is stuff that i was in the midst of navigating and juggling and trying to trying to keep my head above water as it was happening. You know pre covid then. Kobe bryant and a hit at the time. When i was probably the most fatigued with all this that i was ever going to be and rather than being driven to quit music. It just kind of gave me the space to just not have to play that game just not have to think about it not have to strategize or connive team or any of this other stuff that eventually at some point. Everyone's kind of faced with the opportunity to do Opportunity or a necessity depending on what your situation is and so. I just got to be like cool. Don't have to do any of this stuff. None of us are making money. So it's fine. If i'm not making money doing this or whatever right like everyone is having to spend or pivot or learn new skill set. So it's fine if i'm having to spend and pivot learn new skill sets and yet here. We are now on the other side of it. And i again. I just have an option that works for me right now and if when live music comes back if after the year of very publicly in very visibly doing what i've been doing and doing a great job of it and proving myself to be reliable sustainable an excellent performer. Very gatherings matic beloved by multiple. If after all of that you know promoters whoever it may be you know the larger companies or the individuals if after all of that they are still like No i don't really have a spot for you or not. I'm not really like. I'll book you but you're still going to have to do all of this. Facebook invite stuff. Because i'm a promoter. But i don't really promote or not i like i'm just gonna keep booking my friends to open for all of these illustrious acts that i'm bringing or whatever and if if that continues to be the same as it ever was and i hope it won't be but if it does then i'm not just laughed to hanging in the wind. I'm not just left flapping in the wind. Yeah so yeah. That's really just doing my take away from it all pastor. Nice nice i. I'm curious about this Your background is in classical music jazz. It right Very very deep background at this point buried deep background in classical music and jazz yes. It's way its way in background. Way out of focus at disclose. Okay okay. so that's way back wing way because what. I'm curious about it paul. Is that that leap. From i guess jan does not structure jazz. Jazz is probably the best live music for me at least two to experience because it's just everywhere in anywhere but how do you go from classical music and jazz as sort of your in your formative years to the sounds of digi and electronic music I mean i don't think it was that great a leap because my training as a as a player performer To be fair. I don't think i was ever very you've said so. You said yeah. I think i was ever very good or exceptional jazz specifically and classical. You know to be very good and exceptional is just you know you can memorize leave stuff. And so whether i was good at that or not doesn't really matter to me anymore but as a human person as like a year also still just like a person who hung out with friends who also had music taste and put me onto stuff and we would kind of like discover. Our musical tastes together. So yeah like you know listening to a lot of like hip hop in particular in the two thousand which i- i- i maintain as kind of like the wildest and most eclectic in a eclectic coming out of a very linear progression at that time. But i i think hip hop in the two thousand kind of occupied. That space of like anything can happen for the first time ever. Everyone sort of realize anything can happen in rap music and that would have been about the time i i got interested in in. Just what production is i didn't. I don't think i really knew what a producer was. Or what producers did but. I was fascinated by their work. So yola growing up listening to the neptune's who basically had a hit a hit on the radio every week of the year Timberland swizz beatz to a much lesser extent. But then like even a later after that like connie coming up right like all of these very distinct producers who had their own sound and you could recognize them by the work that they did in the way that they made beats no matter who was on those beat and so yeah later on. When i would eventually sort of figure out what production was how to do it how to get into it. It didn't seem like a a huge leap to go from. Yeah like i just make a rat. Beat too i make a a less classifiable beat because i just knew how to make music into a computer at this point is fascinating got. So i wanna. I wanna go with the sort of the hip hop in in a in a two thousand and you know. You've you've collaborated with shad on the latest ep. Right and interested to know if you if you talk much about the involvement and we had about on to talk about hip hop evolution darcy. How how much like did you have a good chance to talk to him about that. Because it was really interesting to hear darcy's view of shades awe of meeting some of these people. Yeah i mean well shannon. I have been friends for a few years even before you know. He worked on this ep. And before i worked on his last album. So i mean yes shad is exactly like one of those friends that i talk about growing up with kind of putting me on to music and me putting him onto music and it's exactly that relationship we we have a lot of intr- we have a lot of shared interests. Outside of music are shared interests of music as well is is great and so yeah i mean we talk about it all the time he sometimes he would Tax remember him. Taxi me just out of the blue one. Day like yeah. I just interviewed a little john yesterday. Right text him and just be like hey any chance. You like interviewed so and so for the next season and he'd be like oh yeah we did or no. It's not gonna make it into the next season. I remember us I remember when he told me that they they had decided. I guess like for the purpose of lake. Don't remember if it was out of a time constraint or or if they just deemed it not influential enough to kind of make the cut over other things. But when i found out that they going to do an episode on nelly and the st lunatics and. I was like that. That seems completely insane to me because this was also exactly the the time when Old town road had come out and was everywhere as i. Yeah nellie walked so that. Like little nauseous. Could run right. We talk about like country wrappers or country hip hop or whatever. And it's just like yeah. No that existed that existed. Before this whole little nasdaq's billboard disagreement right. And and so. Yeah i mean. These are the kind of conversations that chad. And i have all the time because we're both such fans of not just the music for the music sake but also you know the mythology behind this this culture that like actually growing and changing and evolving before our eyes. And we're just fortunate enough to get to be participants in as well. How was it working on On his album a short story about a war that was that was a great album. Me i did as you were working. I know i you work on the whole album or just just the one song so i did just that one song i worked on another song. That didn't make the cut for the album. But he tells me he like still wants to figure out something to do with it. And i mean i know. I know how shad works. He has no less than like three different projects. Kind of being let any one time. And he's also very much in the camp of it takes as long as it takes. It'll be done when it's done. So maybe that's all come out for something else but yes so. I have peace war on that album and yeah working on. That was great. It was a little before i had. I had started working on my ep. That beat actually came out of something else. I had done for a friend. A friend of mine was exhibiting at fashion art toronto so she had a line of like jewellery that she designed and you know she was like. Yeah i need ten minutes of music for like a runway show. And i was like okay i can. I couldn't do that. i can do that. This was sort of like during this kind of nebulous period. In my life. When i was just like i just like i don't know how to be in the music industry right now but i know that i just want to. I know that. I want to return at some point and i know that when i do. I'm going to want to be able to do more than i've been doing before. So i need to start just making lots of different kinds of music right now and learning and becoming more familiar with different styles and techniques. And so i made this thing. Which was i like to think of it as a suite in four parts and i remember like this was probably months after that and so shad came over and i was just playing embiid. We were just playing each other like music and he wanted to hear that so i played it for him and he was like. Oh actually i really like this second half these last two parts of the of the sweet. What if we what if we turn that into something else and so you know i just right then and there just kind of like opened up a new session. Napleton copied stuff over and then we just like worked on a bit of an arranged. Mantain tweak things the thing. I really like working thing. I really liked about working with shad is that he always has a very clear vision of like what he wants and what he's looking for. He's very good at communicating and very good at I think articulating what he wants to do. And yes oh. He knew that this was the beat that he needed and he knew what we needed to do to kind of like give it the the specific energy he needed for that part of the album which i hadn't heard any of at that point and light. He kept very tight to the vest until the day. It came out but yeah sure enough like when he sent me bars for it. Like several months later i was like this is incredible. I don't understand fully where you're going with this. I only know a little bit. About what the concept of this album is. i haven't heard anything else. I don't know where this sits in the story. But i trust you on this and what you've turned in sounds incredible and then yeah like a year and change later when the album came out i was like oh i. Yeah now i get it. I fully understand it and it still sounds incredible. That was a phenomenal album. I thought for sure about full spectrum. It's it's been out almost a year now coming out year. Yeah it took a did it take a while for them to come together or was it just something that it took you a while. Just a sit down and figure out that you wanted to release another album. I knew that. I wanted to put out music again and i like. I've been feeling for a long time. It was like i'm overdue. It's been too long and again. That was just sort of one of those one of those self imposed restrictions or or guidelines or rules which again nobody's ever like nobody has ever been checking for me for a new music Before like this year. I think so. I don't know why i felt that but for a couple of years i was just really feeling almost like the failure of not having new music out and it was something that i'd actively known that i was gonna work toward. I didn't know that this was going to be. I didn't know that this was going to be the thing. That i ended up making because again kind of talking about that nebulous period whereas i just need to spend some time making music in kind of a no pressure mindset. And that's really what i did. So the songs that ended up comprising that that ep were things that i was just making randomly check like one of them is challenging myself to to reinterpret or read do attract do a new track using a sample or like a a that. I'd written like years and years ago and it was just sort of like. Yeah as i've gotten older. I don't feel like this reflects me or my musical taste anymore. I feel like i could just do this better now. Another to one track and another beat came out of this writing camp thing that i was invited to. That was helmed by baby face. Another one was just this thing again. Just hanging out with another friend playing music for each other back and forth and then we realized that we had to have the of the same song and then we put those together and then yet the the last thing that came together i think was or the last thing not the last thing that came together but the last track that i that i made to kind of solidify the ep to the last thing that i made that where i knew it was like cool. I have enough music for this now. Was the track with shad and how to do because it was like. I know what all the other songs are. And i know what's missing. I know if i make this thing that's missing. I can give it to chad going to know what to do with it and it'll be. It'll be a wrap that that those were the various various disparate spaces. I was in when i made each of those different tracks and at some point sort of realized along the way. Oh these all belong together. Okay you said a while ago that you're working on a new ep. A full length up all right is is that going to be music that you know for those people who are watching you on a weekly basis if not more on twitch or who are Patrons of yours on page. Sean is going to be stuff that they're going to be familiar with. Or is this all net new stuff all new stuff yet. None of it's really out there. There's been one track that i the one track that i sent to a friend of mine for she does. She does a weekly stream where she and a guest will just listen to different people submitted demos and give feedback on them. Yeah so yeah. I just like out of the blue just kind of wanted to test test the waters with this one. I kind of knew how it was going to go. Because i knew it was like ready enough yet so that one has been shared. That one has been hurt by a handful of people who are not really necessarily fans of mine shirt. He may not even know when it eventually comes out again but again like i kind of that was also kind of why i felt comfortable sending it. They're like let me put this in front of a very very different audience and a very very different crowd of strangers Just to get a vibe for it. Because i think my mindset in terms of growing my career right now going back to like thinking about those practical pragmatic industry. Things is yeah. I wanna make sure that. I can make stuff that even if you don't know me even if you have every even if against every reason to root for me or support me. You're still skeptical. If i play the music you can't deny it and that was the response. I got from that. So i was like cool. I know i'm on the right track. That is awesome for those people who follow you on your social channels. Instagram twitter They know that you know social matters. Social issues are important to you. I was wondering if you could take a moment to talk to us about the healing collective and black mental health matters. Yes so black. Mental health matters Was a fund that or a fund fund that was started by the healing collective last summer in the wake of a lot of the Social social unrest surrounding. You know anti black racism on a systemic level all across north america. Yeah this group of therapists here in toronto. Were like every black person should be in. Therapy and therapy is not always accessible. So let's put together a fund for people to be able to access therapy. So i saw that and it was like yes one hundred percent. I am myself in therapy. And it's great a highly recommend it. My wife is also a therapist. And i was like yeah. This is very important. what can i do. What can i do to contribute to this. And so you know. I did a fundraiser. I use one of the band camp. Fridays as a as a catalyst for getting some people to pay attention because band camp writers have been great. They everybody who cares about music excited about buying music again. It gets people who are moderately excited about music interested in buying music again because all of a sudden they're being faced with this conversation around like materially and actively supporting artists so i was like let me use the momentum from one of these to get a bunch of people interested in you know buying stuff off my band camp and then what i'll do is i will donate the proceeds to black mental health matters and then i got a got a call from an an anonymous benefactor who was like. Hey let's How about we do this because you should. You should be able to people who are coming to support you on band. Camp should be able to support you so he said all right. So here's what we'll do you know you. Just keep track of how much you're making across. You know this. This fundraise fundraiser window. Then you tell me how much that is. You keep that money. And i will donate that money. Plus i will match it. And so yeah. That was a great thing from a wonderful person who You know helped me to get a bunch of money that i otherwise would not have been able to donate and get that into this fund and allow allowed black people across toronto to access. Therapy has also that reminds me of. But you've got this line on your website under under black lives matter. Don't just talk about it. be about it. Yup we would would that be an example of someone you know taking someone who has the opportunity to taking action to empower others. Yeah i mean that's that's really it right and I mean it's like i get it. Life is hard. There's a lot of things we all have to kind of juggle and then on top of that life is so much harder or so hard into such different ways for other specific groups of people And then you know you're being asked to care about them as well and take care of them as well. And i mean you know that's not fair but that's that's just the deal that's just the deal so That's kind of where i'm at with it and look not. Everyone can do everything but everyone could do. Something which sounds trite and played out. But that's really so. I mean look not everybody is a community organizer and not everybody's good at fundraising and not everybody's good at making things but you partner with the various people in your life or in your networker in your social circles who may be better those things or have access to those things and you. You figured out figure a way for sure for sure. So paul one of the questions that we like our guests because we'd like other people do our listeners to be able to explore other musicians. What's in your earbuds lately Well i mean in addition to a lot of older stuff that i am trying to remember. Because that's just what you do to Thinking back to albums that. I've really been spending time with over the last year gabrielle. Montana's new album aguada is phenomenal. I'm very excited about it. My a copy finally arrived a few weeks ago Who else put out some great stuff in the last year in change Take a look at my record. Shelf real quick. Oh the new while not new. But the new pressing off the cowboy bebop soundtrack is also out and that also finally just arrived after a long journey to me. So i'm excited about that i did. I've been a fan of been for a long time and over the pandemic as i've been record shopping online. Because that's kind of the way you have to do things now. So it also made them online worldwide. So i picked up some Some imports from japan. Some some records that were only released. There's there's one compilation of some singles that i think they released prior to or around time of their first album as well as some other stuff that kind of league saw limited releases and no physical releases and then there's another album of theirs which is a live album. It was recorded live at lincoln hall a few years ago and that one's also a lot of fun i mean. I just really like live albums but in that also do some great covers welded do like a cover of a nothing but a g thing and Electric relaxation and some other like hip hop standards. The really liked that Who else has got stuff. Oh anger saint hilaire has been putting out a ton of just like fire all year long magazine to layer is just really incredible funny witty. Great bars Grime artists from the uk. So been enjoying his stuff and freeze chin who mixed and mastered my ep. Also i don't know if you mix by not masters mangoes stuff too. And he mango actually put out a beat tape as well together a couple of weeks ago. Who else got great stuff The ob gm's also put out a great album last year. And i think just last week dropped some remixes of a featuring clermont the second also claremont. A second draw to new video and last week. Yeah i thought. I was going to have also remember already find the time. You've got these Bisco tech performances. You're you're putting together a new full length album. You're listening to new music. Thank goodness you're not on the t. T. c. or having traveled to go and do any of these things true I honestly someone the other day told me that quest love who has been. Dj -ing basically every night of the pandemic for four hours. I e spend five hours a day listening to new music. That's what he said. And i have never been the same since i looked the man put in five hours just listening to new music and then he played for four hours. That's that's a full work day plus overtime average shore. So i mean yeah. Where do i find the time i mean. I don't know that i'm finding the time that you that is true. That is true but you know. That's that's sort of the high water. Mark that i aspire to so every couple of weeks i take like a week or two off just to be like cool. I think i'm i think i'm just out of stuff to play in my brain anyway. I need to take some time off not playing not performing so i can just listen to new stuff. Go trump round band can't fill up my cart. You that kind of thing. Dig back into my. I tunes catalog all of this stuff. Try to find new stuff nice. we could. I've gone through. Probably half half the things. I wanted to talk to you about. I would love to win. The new full length is out. Get you back on again to talk about some of the new music but also some of these things that they haven't had a chance to talk. Paul this has been great Before we let you go where can people go online To check out your discotheque working people go to To find more about what you're up to. yeah. I'm very easy to find online. At paul chin is my handle on any place that i'm on so you know twitch twitter instagram. Those are those are kind of the three main ones. If you're if you're really about it if you really out that life patriae on Same handle so. Come join me there and get all the goodies of them. King up in the meantime in addition to doing all this other stuff. 'cause i am indeed doing the very most but yeah just come hang out with me online. I'm very easy to spot. My profile picture is basically the same everywhere and as of a few months ago. I got shiny nice blue check marks on most of the big ones so i it's me that's the guy it can this good social media personality being. I'm i mean. I feel like i'm going through another personal revolution in terms of might online presence because online presences have just become the only presences any of us have and yeah i i think i'm becoming tired of certain things certain ways of being online so if nothing else can come online and Just watch my slow and inevitable descent into into pure internet personality. Chaos awesome all again. Thank you so much or joining us. Thanks for For being patient as we got rogers or bell or whoever were using to store it out there. Internet needed my new router. Cool man. listen. We're looking forward to your new music and for those who haven't go checkout full spectrum on paul chins band camp and again you can find him at. Oh yeah all changed dot com and everywhere else. You'd typo yet paul. Chen you'll You'll find paul a policy awesome. Thank you man. It's been a great great conversation. We probably could have gone for another hour. Thank you paul. All right take care everyone.

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Julia Louis-Dreyfus Takes The Lift For 'Downhill'

The Frame

25:50 min | 1 year ago

Julia Louis-Dreyfus Takes The Lift For 'Downhill'

"It from them on broadcast center at. Kpcc this is the frame. I'm John Horn. Today's show a veteran theatre critic writes a play about the collapse of journalism. Then Julia Louis Dreyfuss is a producer of the new movie hill which she and will. Ferrell play a couple whose marriage is thrown into existential prices. This movie is certainly about the repression of truth and denial of truth. Which is I think an interesting theme particularly right now and we'll meet the Canadian singer songwriter. Who's keeping the concept album alive? That's Today on the frame. We'll be right back. Welcome to the fray mom John Horn for Valentine's Day weekend. Here's an idea a new movie. That might leave you contemplating the meaning of marriage. The film is called Downhill. And it's dramatic and dark comedy adapted from the Swedish movie for Moore. The Film Stars Julia Louis Dreyfuss and Will Ferrell as a couple whose family is on a European ski vacation when the resort sets off. What's supposed to be controlled? Avalanche that threatens them and their kids. Each parents reaction reveals deeper divisions in the marriage. Julia Louis Dreyfuss is also a producer of downhill. We got together at the Sundance Film Festival. A couple of weeks ago. Where the movie premiered. She said she. I discussed the idea of an American remake of force majeure with Fox searchlight back in two thousand fourteen but I had just finished making this movie enough said with them and we were talking about further projects and I said believe it or not. I said you know I'm really intrigued. By stories in which reality is seen one way and then a lens is taken off and you look at reality a completely different way within the story and they said well we just came back from con. We saw this movie. You should see this movie. Because we're trying to get the rights to it to rebuild force majeure. Yeah so I said your love to see it and so they screened it and I was utterly hooked. I remember watching force majeure on my laptop and there's a scene in which there's an avalanche and the father without giving too much way doesn't exactly do the right thing that kind of and remember when I watched it. I backed up and watch like ziprecruiter film. I went frame by frame. Like what is he really do? How does he really react? And in the original movie. It's a little vague in your version. It's not I guess. It's a little more clear in your adaptation. I'M GONNA ask about that moment and in your adaptation why that was key to amplify that choice. Well we wanted to be clear what he did but unclear as to the fallout from it. So in other words The wife in this situation play by myself is in utter shock and we wanted to unravel the sweater from that point. From a storytelling point of view. This movie is certainly about the repression of Truth and truth and denial of truth. Which is I think an interesting theme particularly right now. And denial of facts But on both ends because you know initially the couple that you know. It's a stunning moment and then rather than a direct confrontation or conversation. Even about what had happened. They don't have that because I think what happened feels unmentionable because it's so shameful and so They they begin. This is a credit to Jesse Armstrong. Who did the adaptation they begin By attacking an outside source that is to say these safety. The mountains safety guy played by Christopher Hindu and on the enforce measure who is also enforced measure and wonderful in that movie as well as in our movie. Here's what I think you're not picking up on. This was a huge event for our family. Okay and Sir. I don't WanNa make this a legal matter between us. I don't know I don't I but I'm saying that I don't want nothing lyrica. Were you sue. Because your coffee's hot madame school you I'm an attorney okay. You've heard our complaints. Yeah will someone needs to hear it. Thank you for your time. And no. Thank you for your time for me. That is for certain. I thought that was such a great idea to put it away from themselves. Put that anxiety in that tension Onto somebody else before they turn on one pretty cool. We're talking with Julia. Louis Dreyfuss producer and actor in downhill on as about castain and are talking about the kids the couple because they're older than the original film and that changes something because they understand what's happening in the marriage. The kids in the other movie. I think are too young to really appreciate it. These kids are older and they know what's happening and was at written. Was that just something where you start thanking us our producer. What does it mean if these kids are twelve as opposed to seven? We totally discussed that at great length. I mean look both will and I are old right and I'm really old. No no no I am and so and when we first started doing this I was like we gotta get this done soon because pretty soon it's going to be implausible for me to have two young children and in fact they needed to be young because they had to you needed to feel as if they were vulnerable in the situation of the avalanche Had they been in their teens? You might have felt that they were possibly less vulnerable. Not that teenagers can't be vulnerable. But somehow being younger sir heightens the the the the sense of danger I think And then additionally we sort of wrote it into the script or pretty subtly implied that we were an older couple who decided to have children late in life Wills character refers to fertility treatments that we went through and whether or not it was going to work so this was a sort of a later in life choice for this couple which is sort of an interesting idea to what about. Well how did you end up? Casting him He read the script and he was super interested in it and I had seen stranger than fiction and was a very big fan of his work in that I mean I'm a fan of his work period. I mean the guys have stone cold genius but he was able in stranger than to embrace a dramatic tone and therefore he would be able to sort of tackled this material and then we met believe it or not. We never met before not some random. Hollywood party and we have these parallel lives you know because of SNL and Etcetera Etcetera. But no. We have lots of friends in common but we never met. We met four this project and we had a long coffee and talked at great length about the material and He hadn't seen force majeure he'd only read the script of downhill so and he was like I really want to do it and I said well before you sign on make sure you really want to watch the original you know and make sure you WanNa step. Put your toe into this water. There's a expression that a friend of mine who worked in marketing uses an. It's an overcome as like a marketing. Obstacle that a film has. This is a serious movie about marriage and it stars people who are generally known for doing comedies. You think that's an issue in terms of either people come in thinking it's GonNa be funny or people who WanNa see a dramatic film and being unsure of. Comedians can do it completely. It's been a challenge from a marketing point of view. I mean the trailer was very Intentionally I if you watch the trailer you'll see. That's not chock full of That's by design. It looked like it was going to kill us full moment. The kids were screaming because it felt like we were gonNA dot keet and he had grabbed his phone. Keep left us nice. I didn't leave you to bear. Even though there are plenty of jokes within the film I mean there are comedic beats but I would say more dramatic beats than comedic beats when I watch downhill. I went back and rewatch force majeure because I wanted to see how that movie ended and I'm not going to talk about what specifically happens in the ending of your film. There's a scene in both films ski run and there's a scene in your film that is new. That is I. Think my favorite scene in the movie where there's a conversation about what will Ferrell's character can do and it feels like a really interesting way to end the movie. I'm wondering about that scene about its importance in how you try to figure out how the movie should end totally without talking about what she says to her husband. Well I think that we wanted. We did not want the movie to end up with a neat little bow. We wanted to have ambiguity at the end of this film. I think it's safe to say that people might leave the theater thinking either. This couple is gonNA work it out or maybe this couple Is got a real problem on their hands and I think. Both truths are acceptable It's up for. She makes a decision and I think it's questionable decision. Okay I mean you know as a standing outside of it. I can understand why she did it but I'm not sure it's exactly the right thing to do in that moment but that's okay because They're trying to crawl their way out of this mess and this is their kind of muddy messy way of doing it. And you know it's up for discussion as to whether or not it's the right. The right move. I really liked playing that scene because I understood why she would come to that conclusion. But it was very important to me in this in the film that we made that this character that I played was flawed Because I we didn't want it to be a movie about you. Know sort of cowardice and masculinity and just that it needed to be a little more balanced and that was important to me and the wife character in our film makes a couple of pretty miserable decisions. I would say Julia. Great to see you. Thanks for coming back on the show. Thank you for having me. It's fun to talk to. You always Julia. Louis Dreyfuss Co Stars in Downhill with Will Ferrell. She's also a producer on the movie. It's in theaters on Valentine's Day. Coming up on the frame. A theater critic writes a play about the collapse of journalism. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn theater critic. Stephen Lee Morris was working at the L. A. Weekly when village voice media bought the alternative newspaper about fifteen years ago. A lot of controversy has rock paper since with almost all of the paper staff being fired two years ago. But Moore's could see the writing on the wall long before that journalistic integrity was being abandoned for Click Bait and advertisers weren't interested in that lowest common denominator approach in its one act. Play Red Ink. Morris tells a dark satirical story based on real experiences working in journalism. We've changed the location. We've changed the names Blah Blah Blah and some of the incidents are half true deliberately for artistic design but I the larger picture. I hope is reflective of what's happening in the industry continues to be happening in the industry. There is a character in your story called Jerome. And I'm going to quote a line. That drum says pretty early in the play and it is edit a newspaper. That has a purpose a communion with its readers. Smart and Wurley choosing a story from a passion to tell it not from some speculation on what might get the most hits and all this built on a legacy of wit and solid research. That's our model for the Herald. He believes that doesn't he? Yes Oh yes. There was a time that was true at the La Weekly. I really believe that I was there at that time. And I think that's what made it a great paper and I don't think that's hyperbolic or overly ideological I. I think there was a truce to something entire truth. But it's a truth and he has good reason to believe that when you are thinking about what happened to you professionally and what you WANNA do. Artistically was the starting point and what was the kind of creation of the story? What was that process like for you? Well I I was obviously upset. does a certain amount of frustration. That something you losing a child something. It's not my child per se. It's somebody else's child but it's the child on the lesson and you see it on being diminished back in two thousand and eight. I was having a play done off Broadway and it was on the a train and I saw. This guy was an almost empty trained. Those guy was sitting alone and he was laughing hysterically. They were bursts of saliva being sprayed onto the windows and he was rocking back and forth and and I thought to myself this has got to be the former editor of an alternative weekly newspaper. Dark thought so. I thought it was a good joke in a way to start the play but then the play got much darker as it was being written meaning a little bit there but for the grace of God go I that you saw yourself. And there's there's there's always that I don't think I am that editor in chief. I was never editor in chief and a paper. But Yes yes there. But for the grace of God. We're talking with Stephen Lee Morris about his play red ink. It's one of those things too that this paper is dying from a thousand paper cuts and those paper cuts reveal themselves in different ways and one of the ways they reveal themselves is in the diminishing of standards. There was a heroin scene. Where a intern named Corbett comes to talk to a couple of editors. And here's what she says about a story. When did the scoop become more important than the truth? Are they ordering you to be so small so mean so yellow? You are a great newsman Fred. She could have said you were. She says you are tells about that incident. Because it's central to the story of apply. She actually followed that line after she says you are a great newsman Fred. She follows with the line. What's happened to you which is really the point I saw at the paper stuff that got added. It is a fictional in the play fictionalized account of something. That actually happened. And I'll just relate what happened in the play is that what was added was an accusation based on a court report that this manager had been charged for various Sexual improprieties that. Were really quite vulgar. If this is true the the paper said he could spend several decades in prison etcetera etcetera etcetera. What the intern brings out? But it's one accusation. He has not yet been charged. He has certainly not been convicted. But by putting the accusation in print. He has just been convicted on the web on various social media platforms where it will live forever and that. That's what upsets her. And that's why she says why is the Wise the scoop more important than the truth because his decisions are governed not by what is good journalism. But we'll get clicks is titillating exciting. Little thing to put in to a new story as he points out. It's not inaccurate in that. There is this accusation but nonetheless it's a smear you wrote the play originally ten years ago and a lot has happened since then. Yes how does that change? Not only what you're writing but how it might be received. I'm a complainer by nature. I complained over the years that this is a topical planet needs to be done now and yet ten years later. This is the cultural moments where it seems to be resonating. We have seen the resolution of the play. That is now no longer there. We rewrote it. That was one of the last big changes I made was a scene in which the editor in trying to get fired because he had lost his mind. He was begging to be fired so he could collect on his severin's so he made up a story that was just outrageous and it backfired because the fiction became like so popular and they just wouldn't fire him and I thought that was amusing and I thought that was a a way for him to step down with with his comic backdrop and then came that if you recall that video that vulgar video with trump as character racing through the halls and gunning down newspaper outlets that were all labeled collectively fake news. And I thought well my joke might have been amusing in two thousand eighteen and twenty twenty. It's no longer funny and so we changed out too much more sobering conclusion with with An Inside L. gunman coming through the paper. Well and it gets to the idea that we hear a lot about journalists being the enemy of the people and about what it means to live in a post factual world. Yes and the fact that telling what you believe is. The truth can lead to violent consequences which was unimaginable. Even five years ago Steven Lee Morris is the playwright of red ink steven. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you again for having me. Red Ink is at the Atwater Village Theatre through February twenty fourth. Coming up on the frame musician. Andy Shop is one of Canada's great exports. Welcome back to the frame. John Andy Schoff is a singer and songwriter from rural Saskatchewan. His songs play out like short stories about regular people his 2016 album. The party is about an anxiety. Ridden night of socializing and at one Canada's Polaris Music Prize his latest. The neon skyline is a collection of stories inspired by the regulars at his neighborhood. Toronto Barb Shelf Records and performs every instrument on its records which include clarinets and flutes. He walked the producer Jonathan Shift through his recording process. Yeah I didn't really notice that I was you know the party. My last album was one night one party. This one I guess is one night one bar. It's a similar structure Mandy chef and my new album is called the neon skyline until it's called The neons skyline is a Bar Toronto. That I go to a lot. It's like right down the street from both my studio and my posts soon be I mean. I think I used the bar as the setting for this record just because that's where I was all the time I don't know if there's an advantage really but the way that you write about people when they're drinking is a little bit different than if people were super sober. I don't know people who've been drinking are different. You know they they over share and the there's a lot more emotions present. I think when you're drinking whether it's like you're real happy drinker or you know you wallow in your misery you can do both in like five minutes so this song living room. I put a note in my phone at some point during like writing album. That said someone walks up and tells us story that's just completely unrelated to what's going on. Sure she says he's fun. The first like I started this song acoustic and vocal really droning trying to be. Kinda just hypnotic. Remember playing in the added a piano pretty early on the baseline was probably pretty early on C. Says it's funny you so it was probably like this like initially the first demo. I think I did it my apartment before I had my studio but it was like everything that I was doing at my apartment. I couldn't have drums in there so all the rhythm stuff was eye hand labs became like a classic demo. Whitest thing where I tried to re recorded a million times and just nothing worked so coming up with drums for it was like impossible for some reason. I couldn't eventually I did this. I mean because I record alone. Focus or kind of tricky. Because there's no one really there to tell you if it was a flat performance he said go. Show it to you. All dear will rough issues for him just for just for him just for very exposed. Yeah and then. There was this back and forth between five clarinet lines and five lines. It was hard. I can't really play the flute but I figured it out clarinet. I learned I asked my mom if she would buy me one for Christmas like ten years ago now but yeah just kind of figured it out. I have a pretty limited range on it but I've spent a lot of time on playing it so I've gotten better at it. I am very specific with the way that I report things and I'm really specific about how I want things to sound interpreted So I'm excited to see how the players in my band are going to interpret some of these things and never go if we let people take small liberties but sometimes I think like people in the band that I didn't try something you know like. I didn't try that Avenue I did. And it didn't work so that's why you're not GonNa do that. I moved to Toronto about three and a half years ago before that I was living in SIS scheduling in a small city called Regina. Yeah moving to Toronto was like for me. I was like crazy. Regina like two hundred thousand people. Maybe and you know you go to a bar there you know. Everyone and China was very overwhelming for a lot of time for me. I've just kind of made into a really small city for myself like I live at one main intersection and by walking to the next one past the skyline and I met my studio Andy Shafts. Latest neon skyline is available now. And that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Thanks for listening for back here tomorrow at the Broadcast Center.

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Thursday 4 March

Monocle 24: Midori House

25:35 min | Last month

Thursday 4 March

"Members of the. Us house of representatives have been absent from capitol hill today off to the threat of a suspected attack by right-wing militias was detected by security services. The qatari broadcaster. Aljazeera makes a bet on conservative news. Audiences in the united states with a brand new rolling news channel could rightly and plans continue to stage. This year's eurovision song contest in-person in rotterdam will sing the praises of national song competitions monaco's editors and correspondents are here to discuss those stories today here on the late edition on monocle twenty four. Hello that a very warm. Welcome teach the late edition here on monocle twenty four. It is thursday the fourth of march. And i'm thomas lewis and joining us. Today i'll monocle. Twenty four scarlatti rabelo and monocle twenty fullest. Daniel h daniel call lots of great to have you with us on the program. Today we all almost at the end of another week. So how's the week treated you both that. From your respective parts of london colloton. Let's begin with you another busy week. Here at madeira house today. I'm actually quite glad. It's coming to and i feel like i need the rest this weekend. Hopefully the weather will turn out and allow me to go for one of many many walks around sonny london. It has been a really busy week. We've been Of course working on a brand new episode of the urbanize This week we've been looking at urbanism. John so our own little dictionary coming up this On the road And then well as few exciting projects for our sister publication conflict So a lot of exciting things. But i'm very much looking forward to the weekend. I don't know about you daniel. Yeah well i feel. I'm being goaded into talking about the weather here. As i usually do on the tuesday show but all bypass that carlotta and talk about the week and say hello to our listeners. Who may be used to hearing me. Only on tuesdays on the show. I'm happy to be here on a thursday car lot. I don't feel we ever get to do this together so happy to be here today. Been a busy week excitingly. We had michelle romano on the entrepreneurs this week. Who is a fellow torontonian. I've been trying to get that interview for a while. So i was very happy to roll that out this week. We talk about why. Great e commerce is so vital for bricks and mortar retail. going forward. it was fun to pick her brain. She of course is the head of one of the biggest ecommerce investors in the world and has a lot to say about some canadian companies and Some of the brands they invest in here in the us and the uk. So that's what. I've been up to this week tomasz. Well look forward to giving that. Listen daniel daniel h onto carlotta rabelo. Thank you again for being with us on the program today. When in the united states today the holes of the us house of representatives have been silent as today sittings the noah chamber of congress when suspended following the publication of intelligence. That claimed that a possible attack was planned on the capitol building by right-wing militias. Geoffrey howard is a commentator on. Us affairs at university college london and he explained why today's date was significant for the rumored incursion into the capitol building on today's edition of the briefing arch. The fourth has a particular role to play in the broader on story and the short version of it is that march. The fourth was the original inauguration. Date for the us presidency so george. Washington's inauguration was scheduled for march the fourth seventeen eighty-nine as it happens it didn't actually occur in fact due to bad weather and so it had to be postponed to april but for nearly a hundred and fifty years march. The fourth was the inauguration date for the presidency until the the twentieth amendment which was enacted in nineteen. Thirty three changed The inauguration date to january twentieth for the reelection of franklin roosevelt. And so it's part of a broader aspect of the cunanan ideology which very much anchors it as in the american past in particular before nineteen seventy-one cunanan followers believed that the. Us government has been wholly illegitimate Since the presidency of ulysses s grant for very complicated and bizarre reasons we could get into. But it's that idea of march the fourth as the original. The right inauguration date for the american presidency that has given it such prominence in the on Ideology geoffrey howard this speaking to us on the briefing here on twenty four little earlier today kalat at the house of representatives has taken these reports suggestions extremely seriously but we know exactly about what was reportedly planned in terms of a possible insurgency on capitol hill today so federal authorities have been warning that people associated with militia. Groups were discussing plans for another attack. Us capital either today or tomorrow and the aim of this attack would be to remove the democratic politicians Now this intelligence came from the fbi the department of homeland security and even from the us capitol police itself Saying that the you know there was this potential plot to breach capital Not as has been taken quite seriously. The house of representatives has cancelled it session. That was planned for thursday for tomorrow. After this intelligence was revealed at the senate still plans to remain in session to debate some amendments to covid nineteen relief. Bill which of course we understand is one of the most urgent matters to be discussed by the senate now. For conspiracy theorist this date march force seems to be a significant date because a for some reason believed that former president donald trump will return to power. Today i mean so far. We haven't seen anything that might indicated that Yeah it's just you know. These threats coming nearly two months after the first attack on the capitol building And you know has forced not only the police department and security forces but also lawmakers to rethink security at the us capitol and even how they view what can be classed as domestic terrorism To well we will be monitoring events in the us in the coming days here monocle. Twenty four bullet stay in the united states from story here on the late edition. Where the qatari. Based news broadcaster zero is making its first foray into the ecosystem of conservative broadcast journalism in the us. The new channel is called rightly and will be led by fox news journalist. The network says that it's cool. Talk it audience will be republicans who and i quote feel left out of conservative media. Monaco's news editor christian mark. Has this report. let's face it. News broadcasting in the united states long ago turned away from being purely a public good and a solid source of information about government and elected officials. It's turned into a business profit making exercise that's more akin to the realms of sports and entertainment and if that's true well then it also explains why our news media have become increasingly polarized over the past two years news media in the. Us have become increasingly like sports teams in search of passionate fan base. The kinda viewer. That just can't pull themselves away from watching and has to keep coming back every night for more. It's this focus on ratings and shock jock type. Rhetoric over nonpartisan informative content that is the simplest way to put into context. Aljazeera latest move the qatar-based international news broadcaster recently announced its intentions to launch a new and openly conservative news platform in the united states called rightly its goals seems to be to inject itself into the conversation about what the future of conservative america should look like. Now right now is a little bit of upon. It's about where the american rights stands at this moment and where it could go. Every week we're going to have conversations that try to piece together paths that we could take and what needs to be done right now to give america the best shot at a prosperous future and the ideal of genuinely pluralistic open society. We've had a republican party built for stonewalling. Then one built for the fight but what about building. That was an excerpt from the first episode of right. Now with steven kent. The first show broadcast by rightly in the past week. Much of ken show is pretty earnest and harmless fare when compared with much of what's available on conservative channels these days in short it suggests that aljazeera believes. There's a business niche for sensible conservative voices at a time when viewers on the conservative side of american politics in particular seem to be up for grabs but the timing of launching rightly is curious. It's fair to say that conservative media in the united states is in a state of upheaval in the new. Joe biden era an upheaval. Not unlike that of the republican party itself fox news long. These standard bearer of conservative media in the us has suffered some of its lowest ratings in years since the departure of donald trump from the white house in january. It's ratings fell below those of rival broadcasters. Cnn and msnbc for the first time in nearly two decades this ratings drop is largely because of two related dilemmas on the one hand fox news has struggled with finding a place in the biden era and to develop a common line of attack or critique of the current president and on the other hand. It's facing the question of what exactly to do. With donald trump. the former president who continues to that november's presidential election was fraudulent. While more moderate conservative voices might be turning away because they become uncomfortable the threat that donald trump and his supporters posed to democracy especially after the january six insurrection of the us capital. The reality is that two thirds of republican. Voters still believe that biden's election was fraudulent and for many of these voters fox news gone far enough. The mere fact that biden has generally been accepted as president by fox has prompted some viewers to look for alternatives whether online ones like alex jones for newly relevant television based conservative networks. Like newsmax and leeann the fact that trump himself remains such a draw for conservative media was evidenced on sunday when the former president made his first public appearance since leaving the white house on january. Twenty eighth pack. Do you miss me yet. A lot of things going on so wonderful friends conservatives and fellow citizens in this room all across our country i stand before you today to declare that the incredible journey. We'd begun together. We went through a journey like nobody else has never been a journey like it has never been a journey so successful. We began together for years ago and it is far from being over. That appearance coincided with fox news's highest ratings in weeks so where does aljazeera rightly fit into all of this. Well it's pretty hard to know for the moment. It seems to be making more waves within aljazeera itself than on the outside more than one hundred employees have sent an open letter to management. Warning that rightly could quote he irreparably tarnished the networks brand and work so can rightly really manage to cultivate a conservative fan base in this fractured new media landscape. Well don't touch that. dial on. Keep it right here on team monaco. Twenty four to find out news editor christian mc that Having heard chris's reports on rightly the endeavour by al jazeera in the united states. What's your view on the role. This new channel will serve in the us media ecosystem if we can call it that. Yeah very interesting. One to moss. And i'll have to credit card lada for actually flying this story to me last week i find it quite curious that they're pitching a new space for conservative voices. I feel so much of the american media is is now directed exactly at that. Obviously we know about fox news and some of the other outlets. I feel on one hand. There's this interesting sort of gap. Which i understand where they're trying to fill. Obviously i call it sort of the The the rush limbaugh effect of of us media in the last generation where there is There's so much room for loud and shoddy opinion and and obviously that has been put under a lot of scrutiny particularly after the last election and conspiracy theories put forward by donald trump and and a lot of backlash to the anchors themselves. Some even losing their shows as as as we know. But you know there's there's that on on one hand on the other hand. There are all of these underground voices. We wonder how something like the capital attack. Like we just talked about Actually happened and where people are are discussing their views and a lot of that is in dark corners of the internet and not in the mainstream media but at the same time i feel there while aljazeera may feel there. There's a gap. It's move into on the conservative front. I feel there's a huge gap in the way of creating a great debate on on what's happening in the us and there is this gulf where it seems to be loud and shouting opinionated conservative voices which have great airtime and great following and and everyone else which will by. Republicans be lumped into the left to the nbc's and the cnn's abc's of the world. Perhaps so i mean it's a very crowded space and i was quite surprised that they would make this direct pitch with ya with a target audience coming out basically saying what they're going after an under served Conservative or republican voice. I'm not so sure. It's it's under served i just think We need better Better direction perhaps there needs to be a better investment although there's massive investment in us media. But i find the other side of the story quite interesting. And that's what is being said by the al jazeera journalists. Who feel that. Their work is going to be undermined. and their journalistic integrity question jr. Because now the network is moving into serving one specific audience and that to me is very curious and i'm not so sure that there is there. There's any lack of coverage for conservative opinions in the us at this point and cannot continue that point with you. I wonder if you have any sense of what kind of figure this new channel will cut. Will it be sort of sticking to the template that is daniel characterized. That is quite familiar. Go-to for those of us outside of the us Looking in this more opinion led programing roiling. the passions have both the presenters. But those who watch it to or. Do we think there's a chance. Aljazeera is trying to do something a bit more nuanced. Potentially here that debate associated with the right doesn't always have to be about raising your voice and You know all kinds of things. What do we think that rightly will try to do here into the intend the tone than it tries to strike. I think it's quite curious because what is not clear yet. And i guess we'll need to Watch the tv channel for a few months until dot becomes completely clear. But it's not clear yet. Who has aimed for you know It's clearly not you. Never trump people republicans but it's also not aimed at the sort of trump's supporters or republicans. That stormed us capital for example. So it's it's quite strange. When you think about audit trying to you know pull in conservatism. Have been left out but at the same time appeasing to those who follow trump. that is quite other. It's just is really difficult to pinpoint exactly who this is aimed at and I mean i know that al jazeera's staff was almost as baffled by the announcement as We being the general public have been to the they wrote an open letter basically saying that the launch of rightly was an affront to the network's journalistic vision and cited. These were concerns about the ethics. And the to'real vision aljazeera as a whole and the fact that now you know. They're launching rightly into an already heavily polarized media landscape in the united states and all the challenges that that comes where now what we know is that a lot of former employees at fox news have been hired for this organization. And the way rightly. I guess al jazeera's Bosses are talking about this is is it a conversation starter. So my hope is that indeed does dot. He starts a conversation based on facts. Aimed at an audience thought perhaps is not used to getting their news from trusted sources while finally here on the native dish. Let's look ahead to this year's eurovision song contest which was of course canceled for the first time in its history last year due to the coronavirus pandemic and the organizers of this event have said they intend to hold an in person contest in rotterdam in may at carlotta. There's a pretty wonderful constellation. If i can put it. That way of a national song competitions that fan out around the eurovision song contest and kiara ramallah our culture editor wrote about it round beautifully at the italian iteration storied so national song contest for today's edition of the monocle. Minute was your relationship having grown up in portugal. Off both your own song contest. You run competitions and how they fit into the broader universe of the eurovision every may. Oh i love the eurovision song contest every may. That's what i'm waiting for in portugal. We have the national song contest. Steve audi concern fact. The final for dot. One is going to be this saturday. This coming saturday which is very exciting. And i'll be definitely cheating and that and it's true that festival that you know the song that will breath present. Portugal gets in the eurovision song contest gets chosen. It's fifty percent vote by the jury. Fifty percent vote by the public. Now looking at portugal's track record on the eurovision song contest. It is not the greatest. We've once with a song that i'm not particularly fan of because it was a ballard. The song gas was very beautiful. But from me eurovision. All about you know the party and doing all the things that you know. What are you seeing in. Pop doesn't really happen their name me another contest where you have You know an icelandic band pretty much dressed all up in lund leather underwear dressed on stage. And then you have an entry from an eastern european country where there are people turning butter while someone sings and as a crazy crazy saxophone solo. I mean is just perfect And that's what i want to last year. We did not have your vision. They did do the best that they could end. The virtual iteration of the show where people who are meant to be competing performed either from their homes or prerecorded performances in their home countries Even if a real audience cannot be there it will just be so nice to actually you know. Have your vision. Happening have a vote and have a winner and daniel. There isn't a national contest in the same mould as those in europe and canada. Is there and. I'm not sure if they were whether you'd be more leather underwear onstage or butter churning onstage kind of kind of onto the whole proceedings but in the us last summer it was a nice to some great fanfare that its own version of your vision is meant to becoming at before the end of this year. You know that would probably get great following. I think it's actually a wonderful idea for national unity. Obviously there are the smaller contests. We're talking about that sort of build into eurovision which is this grand spectacle that that everyone likes to to watch around the world and in canada. We really have nothing. like it. And i feel slighted tomasz. I would like to take part in this in some sense. I'd like to point out first of all that we have been represented in eurovision strangely by five different women three who have been representing who are born in canada but that competed for switzerland tomasz. Very strange One of actually one. Some people may remember that being selene dion in nineteen eighty eight but in canada north of the border if that forty ninth parallel between canada and the us there's not a whole lot for sort of a national spectacle related to music. Sure there are the juno awards which you could say as sort of a canadian grammys which is a one one. Nine year thing where. It's raf offer canadian music. And they they celebrate a name big name from the past and then there's sort of the other spectrum being a great award which is the polaris music prize. Tomasz you'll know about this but that is incredibly niche. It's it's a meant to celebrate the top independent artists in the country there is a gala events that they normally do. But i always felt even when i worked in media in toronto for years and years. It was like this thing and no one actually got invited to is like a a small hall and you had to be like you had to really be an indie music journalist or like an a person to be there and it's not really like regular canadians feel an attachment to that or you know. Feel it's something that they can take part in it. Sort of voted by a jury of of of great music journalists and and people in the industry. And you know it's it's brought people onto the world stage and i think it's incredible. In that sense. There are artists that have won. People across canada may have never heard of because they come from different parts of the country. One of them being car. Qua- one i think about ten years ago and you know that's a french canadian band that not many people heard a patrick watson Another one a wonderful montreal piano player and and other artists bigger artists have made it. International have also won the caribou arcade fire feist antenna to gac The indigenous singer throat singer who price is done a wonderful thing in celebrating different types of music. So it's not pinned to just indie rock or something like that. And that i think is amazing for showcasing the diversity of canada and all these Incredible cultural elements that mesh into it. I guess my whole point here tomasz. I would love to see something on a bigger scale. And maybe that's more of a pop thing or Or bring in different all kinds of different genres in sort of champions league type style like like eurovision is and bring people from all different provinces and we could celebrate all these all these different regions of the country. I'd i'd like to see something like that. Something between the junos and polaris prize that has a little bit more A bigger i don. I don't know if you agree with that to moscow. I think it'd be a great way to celebrate the country. When i'm not sure if anyone from the canadian broadcasting corporation you'll former implied on you're listening but it sounds like a bit of a pitch to the compact of any such contest at that would take shape in canada in the years to come. Well that is all. We have time for for today's late edition of big. Thank you to daniel h onto kaleta replay in joining us on the program today. And a big. Thank you to louis allen. Who edited the show today. The late edition returns at the same time tomorrow for more news to join globalist team from seven. Am london time tomorrow. I'm thomas thank you very much for listening and we'll see you soon.

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"This message comes from NPR sponsor, indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. Trump your music. You connected to all songs considered. It's global fest. Twenty nineteen I'm Bob Boylan. I am in the studio with honest as as soukous our reporter for NPR music covers culture from all over the world. Well gum, and then brought Weisberg is here. Transpacific sound paradise from W FM you. Thanks. Thank you. Joining us for the first time Catalina Maria Johnson. Hello there music journalists host producer of beat Latino. Chicago public media's vocal Nobody'd be here. Welcome welcome. Welcome or miss banning air this year banning his where Madagascar. Aw. I'm having a hard time hearing sorry. Let's not let's listen to this music, which is this is the music of forty seven soul. We'll come back and talk about them. No, my parents. No country. No. To the peasants of. Honest, as you do you want to tell us about this remarkable big bass drum lead singers Olympic based drum pounding this pounding the hell out of you. Yeah. This is a group of four guys all whom are of Palestinian descent, and they take the they call themselves electronic dabka. So they take this folk form from not just Palestine, but throughout that areas of the eastern half of the Mediterranean, like if you think of as a circle all those countries around there, they they have the stand style and on top of that dub copied they layer since an MCA, and and some big kind of big lusty courses talking about Palestinian issues, and they were formed in Jordan a few years ago. But one of the members grew up in DC two of them. I think in Jordan and the other one in Israel, but they're sort of United under this FRANZ and their music is I think super catchy super danceable super good for air drumming. On uniting, it feels in terms of message totally totally that first one was kind of their theme song though, and kinda my favorite. It's from their first album. They have a new home out but into the sham step, which is what? Call their trademark narration of. Yes. Yes. Shems is this area of the eastern Mediterranean Haas countries, and they sort of use that term to call sham step kind. Let dub step the little different twist on that. What was interesting to me about seeing them here. And is that the often mentioned that they are fighting for the right to move the right to have movement the freedom of movement and that comes through. They celebrate it. But you also get the struggle of not having the freedom of movement. And that's also something they talk about. They talk about the universal right to move around that it's the right for all people. And I think they tried really hard to not localize their message. I mean, there's some stuff that's definitely Palestinian related, but they've clearly made a big move to say the one of their refrains is all land is holy land in all people are chosen people. And obviously there are political messages in there. But I think it's also this this. Bid for universality and inclusion that everybody can get behind at least on the dance floor and one of the other songs with. I remember the words we we as people we moved when others didn't. And now everybody moves, and then they you know, we are also bound now as well. And so that's what at what the name of the band refers to two is forty seven was the last year that people of Palestinian heritage had free movement across borders. Wow. Yeah. So that's sort of embedded. It's it's really in their DNA for those who've never been global fest is a music festival. Top january. It's twelve bands. Or last night was eleven because the great mighty Sparrow. Couldn't be there for health reasons. So it's it's roughly a dozen bands on three stages over the course of an evening. It is just a fantastic evening of music of never done. It you want something to kick off your year. And and for many people. Find musically never ever discovered. It's a thrill. A lot of walking up and down stairs. But it's real. Titan. New Year's resolutions of to stripe. Exercise. Right. Exactly, one of the more mazing bands was a band from Cuba. I think I counted seventeen musicians, but it may have been sixteen or eighteen was they move. Does it? But it's an amazing supergroup called orchestral Alcon, which is kind of Cuban New York combo who are looking back and forward at the same time there inspired by forties and fifties MAMBO from Cuba, the classics consider this classic age think about that style. When MAMBO is a dance craze here in the US to very nightclub dress, the lead singer was of all in why go maybe so. Yeah, it's interesting because Peppino so he's from Cuba and he played with a song. He's a great singer. Some a lot of what they call Timbo, which is kind of the current salsa style at of Cuba, very, polished music. But he had never actually song this old school style himself. He wound up moving here to the US and through a band connections. He met a Jacob. Plus who has who's a young guy here in New York who has couple of great bands? Also produces. Records and has a record label, and they had the idea to like, let's see if we can put something together they went to this famous famous studio because eh Graham where all these classic records came out from Havana and put together this amazing album so the album, so so here's this dream project. There's another producer involved to they're they're kinda three like dream people. Mike aircraft is another producer along with Jacob and Pedo stream project reckon comes out, and it's makes a huge splash. They wound up they've been nominated for Grammy. Actually, and they put on this incredible live show, and you don't want to do east on the traditional music. What did you twist with it and wind song? We're listening to kind of a case in point is up MAMBO rapid data, which is I think a little bit of a kind of play because it's like a little faster. It's actually very fast revved up. It's got some distance and the piano part. They have these great solos. It's really great live band. And for those who love to hear it organic big-band, SAM's is not easy to pull off Johnny's getting. Physicians here from Cuba of the pieces amazing band here. Eight. John. The good fight. I'm going to add one thing, which is that Bobo fest taken on it's been a number different venues over the years last night. It was at the COPA Cabana. And and so that's a story name that you you think like the high life lush big bands like. House or Machida, you know, these big New York Cuban connections. And then when they looked global fest for this year when the organizers Bill break and setting the stage as soon as they knew that they were at the COPA. This was the first band. Ten more seconds. This. All sorts of music. We played really dancey stuff. Let's go somewhere completely different. Let's go to Jeremy toucher who is an artist. We have featured an NPR music has madly embraced this year. Completely unusual record deep history going back to wax cylinders. Do you wanna take years a hundred and ten year old wax cylinders? I've loved Jeremy Dutcher for some time. And he came on my radar as this young very young. I think spout twenty-seven operatic trained tenor. He's also trained as an ethnomusicologist, and he's a member of the stock week Toby first nation, and in addition to his classical studies ethnomusicology studies, he apprenticed with a song carrier an elder Maggie, Paul and she told him you need to hear your people's music, and you can. Here it at at this museum. There's some old archival recordings, and he found these one hundred ten year old archival recordings digitized off of wax cylinders. And he started to study them and try to learn them and sat down at the piano was trying to learn them sing along. I have to say that he is one of the few speakers. He's trying to learn the language that he kind of understood from his mother there are less than a hundred speakers of this language, a member the languages less talk and the people come from what part of was eastern Canada. And I think some of the reserves are reservations bordered into the United States and the British cult the mala seat, but the not their traditional name and less than a hundred speakers of this language, and he found the songs he was trying to learn them. And in sampling them in learning them in backing going back and forth. He started to compose around them and he composed. I kind of operatic key type ballads, he was very interested in putting both what we consider western high art and his traditional songs in parity on an equal level as equal members of the music, and I think he succeeded her literally put one hundred ten year old wax cylinders with modern music. We play a little bit. I love it last. I terms playing this hundred ten year old wax on their from bad. Stay. He's behind the keyboard, piano. He's singing an astonishing cellist from Germany, and then this intense percussionist who's much more intense than we'd here on the court it on the on Jeremy's record. It was really fantastic trio, and I'm bringing these worlds together on the rooftop of COPA. Really surreal and wonderful. And most surreal to me is that Jeremy Dutcher said from the stage of this was his first visit to the US, and he's already become kind of a huge deal in Canada. He won the Polaris music prize. So there's really a lot of excitement about him. And one of the other things I wanted to say is that it is. So interesting to me that he's one of number of global starts over the years who is really intentionally engaging with old recordings a couple years ago. Sam -ly who's a British song collector and who clicks traveler songs gypsy songs. And it's so interesting to me that there's this Joe, and he's he's on the young side to and what interests me so much is that you have this generation artists who know all the same us at all the rest of us do right, but they're choosing very deliberately to honor certain routes traditions and integrate them into other traditions. And as you said Catalina, put them. In parity with each other and sort of put them in new Jackson positions, but to take those very old wax onto recordings to talk to singers who are in their seventies eighties nineties and put them into a new sitting. It's a really beautiful choice. There were other juxtaposition last night. I'll play this from China. This is a asong people know little is a chain. Right. Just to set the stage a little bit. We have a very feathered banned from New Orleans here of rob iceberg. Cello are a lot of fun because they pulled together to great streams one of the leaders of the banned is the his grandson when the famous mardi gras Indians from New Orleans and the bad also. So they pulled the mardi gras tradition or gras headdresses and everything hitting the short ceiling of the room there. They're in the shortest. But then also the second library span tradition, which are kind of related but separate, but the president has kind of blown up in the last couple of decades a lot of younger musicians playing funkier little funkier, you could get funkier with it. This is Jane classic did interesting talking about how people relate a young resistance to older new music. They started off with a pattern that I've seen a lot of younger bands, Stu who are delving into their roots, which is doing of mostly covers classic standard. Especially New Orleans. You do that people here this musical? But then your new album is all original stuff. That's the path. They're following doing a great job there. Really fun. Let's hear a little more of this old one. Thank. It's hard to take it down on the air. Right. They were there are a lot. We're coming for you. And then other music that had American roots and focus is probably the turn of. Twentieth century right of nineteen nineteen ten or something. And then there's another artist there. I am offense Kia was a a really wonderful singer seen. She she lives in the Americana world, if you could wanna put people in in places, I saw her Americana fest. She has an extraordinary voice wanna play a song, darling, darling. Cory which is also been known as darling, Cora darla. It's another turn of the century folk song, let's hear the song, and they'll come back in on sizable tell us a little more about I'm ski. Darla go. So amethyst Kia with voice that will just stop you desert near tracks. And what I loved about this that she did global Festus. She kept flipping between originals the song. The worst about a bad break up. And then going to a Reverend Gary Davis cover, she covered. Joe lean years. She just sort of she's has a real threat of continuity between past and present that I really like and she's just an very arresting presence on stage. And and I know she's been working very recently with Ranan Giddens. And I think she's from Chicago. Well, what songs are native daughters and get into? This comes from was in a group. Call Carolina chocolate tro, which I guess this is is near point of this is kind of exciting. You know, kind of what they called black banjo American African American acoustic traditional roots music, and we're seeing more and more interesting artists of pop up and chain exploring those routes and they get together. And yes, she was beautiful things. And it's just too exciting faith in that relatively face. I think it's also really wonderful to see the what we people that think about world music. They think international and to like look right in our land at these deeply rooted music Kentucky. Global about boiling we're talking about global fest. Twenty nineteen I'm here with honest, soukous, rob Weisberg. Catalina Maria Johnson, we've gone all over the world and our own backyard. We haven't hit too much classical besides Jeremy Dutcher, but there was a beautiful singer both and Brooklyn rider, Brooklyn rider, people know, we've covered a much of classical music quartet that's going beyond fair to say. Thank you. Okay. Good Catalina to tell us about Maga rate is the jazz singer. She kind of self classifies as jazz from Mexico, an amazing, but always stretches those boundaries for sure and she sings in several languages Spanish English and Portuguese and in this particular project, which is there's an album that's come out called dreamers with Brooklyn writers. She is this beautiful. She's herself kind of tall and languid and also smokey voice, and it's surrounded by this quartet. String quartet. It's really a beautiful experience. Yet the songs they're all written. Most of them by poets and sue songwriters from IBM America from all of Latin America that have suffered tragedy in violence in their own lands out of that comes just beauty the beauty of this revive's and the beauty of art the survives in the midst of all of this tragedy. So this song I focused on his actually by our I'm half Mexican Sar noble laureate, literature, Octavio Paz poem called Nina. And it's about a young child. Young girl who has command dominion over the world. So you get that sense of the power of the feminine. And you get the classical context for it. The beyond classical. It's a hefty package was here. Some. And the the strings behind. This is soon Brooklyn writer work with her and did the arrangements. This. Well, one thing I was about Brooklyn riders here string quartet pushing a years expecting something super lush may be cheesy. And I think this totally belies that notion you hear the super spiky, they're they're whacking their bows. You know way that kind of reminds slap bass, you know, and it's it's gritty and spiky and to me, it's incredible cabaret music like there's something very intimate about this music and very intimate setting. And they may be we're not served really well in the space they were at a global fest because you know, it's allowed space. It's an industry events or their people chatting in the background and making deals, but this is booking this band this band. Hopefully, but it's one of those things that this album that comes from dreamers. You know, I think it's no accident that they put out this album right now, given the political climate, but you it's. One of the that was on our best of two thousand eighteen lists impure music. And it's one of those albums that you can put on with a glass of your favorite something, and sort of just sink down into in a really beautiful wet or number of last night who sang songs that weren't in English, and yet still transcended, and this was certainly one of the ones that will was most powerful to me, but the other one that did that with the and you mentioned cabaret was this group called doc daughters. Right. Doctors is a little different because their performance is driven more by the the text, which is they use a lot of poetry and prose summing Steve Shakespeare, but also Ukrainian poets do some of your Kipling to action from Ukraine from Kiev out of this arts center, and they make make it work with text, but also visually, but without knowing the text. Yes, you fell. A little bit. Like, something more that. I don't quite. There's a lot of performance they're acting out their pieces. They were the most performance of multiple on multiple levels, and anybody senior DACA Bracha group, we've covered on also considered tiny. Tiny tiny desk will know the Seattle calorie here this in this case, it's all women seven or eight heaven. Yeah, they come into the same center as DACA BRCA, actually, doc about a kind of win a little more for this driving musical thing and this, but but they're all got and doc daughters. Groupie saw last night I'll actors this group is more strictly specifically orients their show towards their thought of his kind of they call it free cabaret and they wear white face makeup. And hugely gesture. I mean, really quite quite something to see wait face mecca. But like super stereotypical doll face Macomb. You know, right. Paying cheeks and really big is in very bright mouths, and like in this like Dr like doll like, yes. Manikin gestures. The most crafty performance last night. There was a video online on YouTube. I'm actually just place them. This the song is sort of about why there's so much evil in the world. The core. Be duck fly. But I'm no lot dobra. Not. He lied. Of seven. I'll let. Or no Yanni more through sumit. You're more necessary to talk about her those love LA. Is LA LA love. Basically, the humans can do all these wonderful thing. And and they're in the video there seven women dragging this man rabbit around and saying why is there so much evil in the world must watch it. This is doc, daughters, really really fun, and and pointed a quick lightning round because we're not going to cover every single group that we saw equable fess devices, but the opened one of the stages last night, he somebody who we've covered on all songs considered. We've had done a tiny desk concert with years ago brilliant lap steel, Indian guitar newest record had a lot of Hawaiian influences in which is some of where he got his start playing music on a Hawaiian lap steel. It's led by dual Lee base, and he's gone in German and got his Mozambique Portuguese. And they do this kind of post apocalyptic Cy. I fi- afro futures with a large dose of Goth punk. And that is a mouthful also incredibly danceable. So they're kind of playing off something's going on the last decade, plus kind of Europe this could euro afra- Portuguese, forty four pumping upbeat dance music. And that's what they do. They really do club. Boop. Boop. Really, the really amazing Anglo base and for multicultural. I there's there's you mentioned Ghana these Senegalese drumming and they're based in doing so dwarf. So there you go. BC? You see I was excited to see them because they're an unusual kind of also like new yet for Baqi and very different to have on the touring circuit BCC stands for Bantu continue who consciousness there a group from Soweto black African musicians from Soweto doing these long extended of basically psychedelic acoustic worrying jam to-, rap talk a back and forth, corresponds political and also just kind of cathartic and to me, they remind me of certain elements of South African jazz from stuff from the seventies. But kind of very much their own thing and really exciting to see them very punk to me, very Peng African Google, and I love that word like some humming site and Afra psychedelic they kind of like acoust-, and but mostly critics I feel you in this were totally. Rocking out and speaking of daily. So the final band was combo Giambi too. And they start off with this big instrumental lasted a handful of minutes. And I thought this is like what happened to progressive rock when it moved south sound. And I don't mean New Orleans ways. Race race our Gomo chin beaten their New York based but they're they're fronted by got Alina only barrows, and she has this background. She's from Butler Kia on the coast to Columbia, the Caribbean. And she has a background in weeding, which is this in credibly afro Colombian sounded is in Colombian, Panama and has roots to who enough from couple where way calypso kind of afrobeat afropop and even Haitian combined, and they bring this all in to me. They're like they're trippy freaky. They're punky. And like you said Bob their tropical global south in. It's just a trio. And it's amazing the power they put out she reserve extrordinary singer to and performer, and then they were not in wings. Let's. And feathered wings, and they were all in very, shiny outfits. And it's like know, we talk a lot about afra- future ISM. This was afro Latin Nexium. They talk about tropical futures, exactly. That's what they called her music and modular synthesizers onstage from a synth player like myself. I was killed to see that they had like the bass drum was triggering a modular since meaning a simple a synthesized bass as well. There's lots of stuff in chaos going on that made it even more thrilling than just having the bass guitar and drums, would you sorta saw? But there was many sounds of many things making many sounds. She had a stick rubbing against a stick in a way that was so progressive and so fast, and so intense, it it really informed her performance. What was that called lack chat guy? And it's made from the cane like Trump is small palm tree. Got going. She was going at it like you speak in progress. Like, she had an electric guitar. You know, thank you up -solutely. It was a great ending to the night. I was under a purposely lit metallic palm tree listening to this music. I mean what more folks? Yeah, they're fantastic. They were the psycho Brock out band of the night. No question about it. Great having you all we'll go out on this global fest twenty twenty if you've never been do it all the songs we played today, including ones we didn't play today from bands that were on the stage last evening, we will put up online and thank you all for being here. One full grade. Great to be here. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks so much. Welcome twenty nineteen from if you're music, it's all songs considered.

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S3 E2: DIY is Not a Sin with Backxwash

Chosen Family

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S3 E2: DIY is Not a Sin with Backxwash

"I'm dr hillary mcbride. Let me take you or microphones. Rarely go into my therapy office. It's where my clients hurt. He'll and ultimately thrive. You're gonna hear private conversations that we rarely ever have with ourselves let alone share with others. Welcome to other people's problems maybe along the way you'll discover that other people's problems are a lot like your own subscribe on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast advice from people that want to see you viable as like a mainstream product. The stories that i'm trying to tell and collaborations are not just like random connection. There saw the moment. That i lose that is i think is the moment way stopes becoming fun. Welcome to chosen family. I'm thomas la la and i'm china winter. That was backwash. You just heard polaris prize. Winning rapper and producer so excited to have her on the show more with her later before we get started. I just want to give a quick shout out to all of our old listeners. Who have rejoined us for this new season and all of our new listeners as well if feels really good to be back in. It's been really lovely to receive your feedback. I'm noticing more on more especially on twitter. Which is where. I spend way too much of my time. People are really starting to express this feeling of hitting a wall in the pandemic on so many levels emotionally psychologically and also productivity wise. This is something that. I feel very profoundly. Thomas how're you navigating. that remember. When i told you i had a book to write yes made no progress in a year. Are you serious. We've been in a pandemic. Well i know. I was at the beginning of the pandemic i was like. I have all the time. This is perfect. I know i can write this book about addiction sobriety and have just been stalled. I love to like daydream. Think of what could be think of the possibilities. But like that's somehow you write a book you know you have to sit down and you have to open the google doc. You have to like write two thousand words a day. I know i feel like fall into a lot of the same traps. Like i'm very caught up in the fantasy of what my life and my career could look like like when i was a kid. I imagined i didn't know exactly in what form. But like i definitely imagined like being a star i imagined doing photo shoots and music videos and going to the oscars like that was the fantasy. But i don't wanna do any of the work involved in making the fastest come true. Oh god it's not that. I haven't tried or that you know it's just i'm just thinking about it and not doing. Its when i do it. I suck and then when i sit down and i write page two pages three pages whatever and then. I need to send something to the editor. I'm just like confronted to the fact that it's not as great as i think it should be. I don't like not being good at things on. I don't you don't fucking. I don't like criticism. I don't critique. I don't like being told what to do and again maybe this is all just me being so in my head and this is what comes up on drag race all time. Everyone just getting in their own heads and getting in their own way. But i love i love when reduces saboteur. Try the saboteurs real. It is super real honestly. But i don't know what the fuck what drives my saboteur. Like why why are you trying to destroy me. Weak- just leave me alone. Go do something else there. Many years of recovery. I've learned that. I one reason why i kind of don't fully commit is that there's a fear of success. Of course that we and the fear. The fear of failure is there but the fear of success to me also like what if it worked out right. That's really scary to me. What if things work out for sure envy and i know that in my experience that jealousy and envy will manifest especially towards other gay men. There's something that triggers me. If i see a stray having success i will not be triggered as seeing a gay men having success and that's completely and it's it's it is shitty that we've been put in this pit where we're all fighting each other. We're all fighting each other. For these breadcrumbs that are being thrown to us especially in regards to mainstream media opportunities and it is a double edged sword or not a double edged sword but there. Is this duality where it is very true. When one of us succeeds it does open doors for the rest of us. It is a success for the community at large. But when you think. About how a lot of initiatives at this stage are still largely performative. And so what tends to happen is let's just say for example of major network puts into production a television show about a trans character. This trans character is the lead there. Is this thing where the network can be like. Well we've checked that box now. We have our trans show so when another trans person comes with an idea for another show. It's like that door has closed in. That happens when i really examine it. I'm never jealous of the artist. I'm jealous of the chance that they've been given. Which is the chance that i want to be given as well but do you think if the pandemic had not happened that you would have finished the no. So what is it going to take. What is it gonna take for you to be able to actually sit down and do this so when it has worked because it has worked in the past just not a permanent thing as i need to like get up everyday and do it again so my setup is actually quite beautiful because i lived on the third floor of an apartment building and i have this really incredible living room window and in the morning. There's the most beautiful morning light coming to that desk. And i've been every time. I wake up and i get up and just make coffee. I'm like i have a choice today. Do i dead scroll instagram or sit down and write and i read something online and i think that's the lesson that i need is. What is the difference between what is urgent and important. And that's kind of what i envy is. The people were able to focus on what is important rather than what is urgent. And i think that's the shift that needs to make on a beautiful every morning as focused on what is important and not necessarily but his urgent while i know of at least one person who was able to overcome the creative block last year and that is our guest today. Backlash who's also known as a sean z. Mutasa i find so much inspiration in just the arc of her journey being a refugee to canada being a black trans rapper in this world which is very violent towards towards black trans people. So here is a clip from the song redemption son. But you would think you think you last year. She released her album. God has nothing to do with this. Leave him out of it and one. The polaris prize. Which is the biggest prize in canadian independent music on the album. Backwards draws from her. Experience living in zambia. A country in africa that she left at the age of seventeen to live with her brother and sister nbc. But it was in montreal. She found her confidence and voice as an artist. We kicked off this conversation with backwash asking her. About being a teenager in zambia. And what kind of teenager were you. I think i was just like a class. Colin i guess I used to sell the dvd's teenagers had like the burn. And stuff like that. So i'll go around like certain like make like dvd's for for people like oh yeah. I've got this album at home. How much you can. Either you know by for like nineteen bucks in the store. You can give me five bucks. And i can bring the album the next day so like a lot of people knew me for that. I remember bernie. Yeah i remember this one time. Is this like a family show by you can say whatever you want to make a queer hangout. I remember my uncle died and is kind of fucked up the died and i was like Trying to like go through his stuff because he had like a lot of books. I liked reading books around that time. Especially like scientific books and I found like his old You know hard drive. And i was like oh. Let me just like check. What's in it and the hard drive like full of like so much porn and i was. I was like oh hit the jackpot right. I might business arguments changed now. Because i could just like over like a bunch of porn on like this. Dvd's that people give me and businesses booming for like search. Never went hungry again. They used to call me my guru which means first lady. Yeah yell at the first lady to like this shit just selling. It's just funny. Because i think every chance i has like these like candlelight memories where something is like chance but you don't recognize it at that point i was like. Oh that's like. I'll take it from like how does that is as much a deeper. Oh no for sure. I mean like me. Like when i was a kid like i didn't have the terminology. I didn't know how to identify myself as trans. I didn't know what that meant. But then you know all of my bullies kept calling me a girl and that's what they attacked me for but they were writing. You know they were seeing something. That was really clearly there from the very beginning. I kind of hate that they were right but going back. Select childhood from like first grade Gay that was just like heavily bullied. My mom like gave shoes for school and she told meal unisex clearly like girls shoes like clearly and people like ucla get confused like oh this like this is a guy like a girl. I like my auntie helping me prepare to get ready for school. And she like this address for me and she's like here an i'm like all right i'll take it and my mom comes rushing into the room like no no. You know this guy guys though ago. So it's just like weird. How like you know. Everything works out. Because i look back in a pass and i'm like oh wow in like a lot of things that make more sense like how many how many times. I've ice like seen milan and be like. Oh yeah. this is a good movie. What i hear also in your story is your connection to diy culture In creating these these dvd's and like making making things your own way. Which i really really appreciate so in two thousand twenty you won the polaris music prize For people who don't know it's the most prestigious award an independent canadian music people in the media. Maybe hadn't really heard from you. But people in montreal and ottawa hip hop communities certainly knew who you were so has a as a diy. Queer rapper producer. What has been your experience in canadian hip at that point l. stagnant like years and years because nobody will try to book me places with literally just like ignore me or me to come back like three months and after three months comes back they don't you know even give you the courtesy of having like a respectable conversation with you and i think that's like i think the hardest part was just like come to the realization that these people are really cheat in your as they would cheat Somebody else who's in the same shoes was not create all black when momentum starts beating around you. That's when the people ho supposed to book in the fresh air. Come about in this say. Hey we've heard about you and we want to like bookie for the stink but probably go to like really under- pay you saw you. Stop saying the regular shows around montreal. Which really underpaid the. Also get weirdness in that because the idea of a mighty bean tokenist weird feeling but at the same time we need to pay bills get paid so you take that on the cheek before we get back to the interview with backlash. I just want to take a moment to reflect on what she just said. Because i think it's really important. I've been in that situation many times where i'm being tokenist. I'm being asked to do something. Just because i'm trans. Because the person hiring me to do whatever. The job is wants me to sort of represent the entire trans community. And i can't do that. I don't think anyone can. And it's not fair to put that on. Meyer any transfers since shoulders. And sometimes i joke that. I've never worked with another game end on a mainstream project because of some of the projects i've worked on. There's a league room for one game end. You know every identity will be checked. I think this is what backwash is speaking of palestine happen. You start getting advice from a people that want to see you viable as like a mainstream product. You know the tell you all you should probably hook like these prejudices and you know feature these people on it when it doesn't even make sense because for me. This is like an expression of you. Know the stories that i'm trying to tell and collaborations are not just like random people these other people that i know on this elect my friends and doesn't connection there and this you know chemistry. There saw the moment that i lose that. Is i think the moment wish those becoming fun in relation to that you know like getting back to what you were saying about those early days of the struggle and would not being given the opportunities that now. You've won this big prize. Everyone is writing about you. Everyone is talking about you. And i remember the night that you won the prize like it was so exciting. Everyone was so happy for you with such a joyous. But of course inevitably there are haters. Who tend to usually be straight white men and i. I noticed new engaging with some of them on twitter in the days. After your win. And it's like these haters sort of have this idea that when a queer person or marginalized persons succeeds it's because of their identity which is so ridiculous because often as you out our identity. Limits are opportunities. It's so funny. 'cause one of the comments from this person was like oh sean you want because of high density but she deserves to win this like why are you. What are you saying. You're really like say anything and like how much credit do you give to like the jurors who's review and listen to like so much music throughout the year that they're able to just say oh. I'll just take this because the does a career person on it. And what does that say about other other people on the list who also released like incredible music and I guess people are just mad because it's not like the same like indie indeed dude with the guitar. You know who's who's won the large fires but it's just weird. That people are able to talk like that. I think just the way for them to just like high them prejudice and they think it's like they're always enforcing and maintaining their white male power. They don't allow us to perform their spaces. They're holding onto their power in that way. And then when we do against all odds managed to achieve something their way of trying to minimize that is to be like ell. They were only given that. Because you know we're living like leftist extremism in now. Everyone's just given a prize for who they are. I tried to track down the first Track you posted online. That i could find on like a big service. I'm sure you've posted before that. And i found in two thousand seventeen attracts stonewall thing that i loved into me obviously that reminded me of the stonewall uprising and marsha p johnson and i wanted to know you as a as a queer as a black artist who are the queer the blackwood artists who have inspired you. And how does it feel now to be in a position where you can also be the one person you can inspire others artists. Kind of like takes me back to When i was making music pronounce attain on because those are the point. Where all of our favorite music just came from what the people in the neighborhood will make and just like sharing Stuff like that around and it kind of reminds me all that because muscle appears making incredible music. But what part of this like smaller community online and i guess being an inspiration Still coming to grips with because It feels weird saying it. First of all 'cause i know how flawed i am and You know that's like a lot of responsibility to impose. 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L. levin mood and a panel of the smartest culture critics i know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing it. The part that really touched me when she said that Was i recognize the tension between wanting to be seen and heard so much and then when that actually happens having a freak out and be like. I don't know if i want to be seen and heard and that's a real tension. I think for a lot of artists. We want the attention on our work and then when it turns on our selves personally it becomes overwhelming times in scary and something. I've heard really often from queer artists and queer three acres. Is this dry for excellence. Which is really good like. I think we need black excellence and more of that but i also think that sometimes we feel the excellence will make us worthy whereas were inherently worthy. We don't need to be excellent to be worthy. But i think there is this. This weird connection between being excellent worthy and safe and our society will retain religion is obviously a big theme in title But also lyrically on the album and sonically. The song aim end rob yes. Oh that's pretty straightforward So wanna know why. Why the policy of the church is this something that you know. You're clearly a post. To and and being critical of only. Because i have heavily in the church and i guess my problem is The power bad The christian church holds as as ation in this capitalistic cited. That live in me and my brother used to different churches. And if you're a new they'll give you food because you are like hungry so it's like oh yeah i'm new food afterwards But i noticed that when i was going to this one church The past i gave a speech about how you know people like should donate more to the church. And i'm just looking around lake. I know some of these people on some of these people live in in like a lot of poverty. So should he be the opposite. I know how you love your pastor your your living like pretty lavishly. Kids go to private school price expensive so next week. They ended up getting like double that what they usually get like an average just like that. That's wild through all of this. You mentioned that you have your own spiritual practice. So after you know the the hurt. And the apocrypha violence from the church in zambia. Like how were you able to find your way back to your own beliefs. so You know just went back to my ancestors. I'm probably not as i couldn't be like a to put it in like a deters. I couldn't be like eleven fifteen cleric or something This was just a process of gathering information based on what i was told going up and no african spirituality. Is this something that actually do find. Solis enjoy in. Which is you know it brings about some very weird interactions like I was trying to use like some sample for my tribe and Had a buy a cd called. I guess music or something. Like that. Had by the cd. I found my tribes traditional ceremony. But i couldn't use it clearing it from that day. Kidding for real like i'm not able to use of the from that guy so weird. I'm also really amazed by just the emotional honesty on this album. I think for me in my own artistic. Whatever you wanna call it practice. It's often very hard to go to those really vulnerable places where i'm just opening myself up so much. I really admire the way that you did that on this album. And one of the songs that i related to the most of is Where you rap about very real fear that comes with moving through the world as a transplant. In and in that song you wrap. I'm tearing up my limbs and i won't make it to the next. I'm walking down the street and anticipating and i'm just curious. How do you manage to overcome that. Fear of violence and take out the space that you deserve to take up in the world. Where does that strength to do that. Come from it's like a system of percussion that i have to take when i'm going to from a place When i used to do performances. I as like my businesses done there. I'll like go directly home. Like don't stop anywhere on. Go directly home. Because i've been times when you know. China go to show and have asked him street. That i'm just like funded. I i go back home into the void was actually influenced by this one time where I was walking home at all. Dressed up and this person is like following me and tear the like tap know my show. And i'm like all shit like now these this thinking and in a person just asked me for a cigarette and it was just like oh sorry i don't have what they'll like. Oh okay that's fine. Thank you on the left and you know that would have been a total no more situation. If i didn't have like things to be like scared off. I think mine just for into the worst that could happen and that's kind of like the void also on the album you know. There is the family narrative you wrote a note that accompanies your album of where it's available on band camp and you wrote. This album is about my version of forgiveness in things that i need to face in order to reach my version of that and i was just wondering what was the forgiveness you were looking for when you set out to make the album the definition of people willing to give giving us as if you forgive a person. Forget everything that done the past everything you know this ad just go forward by kinda of at that question trying to paint idea of gone through this. Am i able to forgive myself as well. And what does forgiveness look like. Is it a situation where i just get. This person has done. What if. I want to protect myself if i want to protect myself. It's going to be hard for me to just forget what what people have done. And and like. I think like what they usually say. That create people like choosing their family much more because to new connections. Able to have that in your family that Able to respect me and kind of accept me the way i am and do you feel like you've been able to find that chosen family through your art. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely Grateful for the very few people play but support me in that backwash so much for coming on chosen family. Today was a real honor and privilege. Thank you so much for your program tonight. The rest of the day. Our conversation with backwash was recorded on january eleventh her album. God has nothing to do with this. Leave him out of. It is available now on band camp. You can find it at backwash. B. a. c. k. ex w a s h dot band camp dot com and. Follow her on twitter. She's amazing at backwash back at squash session. What are you obsessed with. What am i obsessed with so my obsession. This week is honestly not only my current obsession but one of the great obsessions of my life. honestly Even though i've only discovered it recently it has instantly become one of the most meaningful things i've ever seen. Well let me hype it up. It is the tv show. Called penn fifteen which is sort of internet code for penis. Some people debate whether the show title is pena's or fifteen. But i think it's meant to be pen fifteen p. and one five exactly basically coming of age story of two best friends starting the seventh grade in the year. Two thousand you know where tomorrow and thinking like my blue shirt with stripes but like i'm also thinking lang overall my god. Let's really smart in unit for nipples. And you know. I don't like to reveal my but that was my time to the year. Two the year two year year and the show was written and created by two incredibly brilliant women and concl- and my earth skyline who not only road and created the show but they also star as the lead best. Friends were also named anna. And maya in case. You haven't figured it out on him. Describing anna and maya are thirty-three-year-old women laying thirteen year olds. Well that's pretty common in hollywood to this and all of their classmates are played by actual thirteen year olds. It's coming of age story so they go through everything that we expect kids that age to go through one of the most brilliant episodes this episode that is based on america online instant messaging where they go into the chat rooms which is something that i did. I had aol. I had my aim. I had i was going in the chat rooms. I had a boyfriend in texas. Nay man who was very real to me and they have these like user names that they pick so funny. So i have three options here for me. Start us forever as clubs heaven which might be taken already And baby spice six six six. They try to behave like adults. And that's the part that is so funny to me. And that's the part that's so relatable because we thought we were so grown up then we think we're soak. Although i actually feel less grownup now than i felt back then but what makes the show. So special is the fact that my anna the real women get to revisit those experiences and relive them with the perspective that they have on life now as grown women like. Can you imagine if you got the chance to go back and not relive it in the way that you could change. What happened but that you could relive it to be able to better process what the fuck actual be happened to you during those years and to me. That's what makes this show so moving. So that's my obsession. I cannot recommended more highly So i i watched a show a few weeks ago. You recommended to me at the time i was like. This is the best show. I've seen in years. It's so good but unfortunately another show surpassed this okay. I'm assuming this is your obsession. So let us know. What is your obsession this week. My obsession this week is another. Tv show coming from the uk. It's a sin by the queer as folk creator. Russell t davis So it's a is set in london. It's it's over a decade in the eighties from eighty one to ninety one. We follow a chosen family. Like a literal chosen family. That lives in a loft called the pink palace and you and i have progressed. We've performed love call. Crystal palace at the core of the show is the aids crisis so aids is just hitting london in the early eighties. There's a lot of disinformation people are scared. I don't know how how people are catching it. They don't know if it's only homosexual man. This coffin look at me. i'm a coffin. No mobile was so. What did the doctor say. Give me this questionnaire. And i was like was this far. He said people at you. The it's so thoroughly research and we learn so much about how that time was experienced by gay men mostly because russell t davis lived time he went he was in his early. Twenty s in the eighty s. He went to oxford at the time. He lived in london at the time and he had a best friend who was extremely involved in organizing their response. She's play lydia west english drama. Festive richie jail in. Then i wasn't. I was just literally looking saying okay then. No i'm god no and is just so moving to see this woman Surrounded by gay man but she is the one holding the whole chosen family together. She's the one helping house brittany she. She's on the front line. And the characters was just so endearing of course the music and the art direction is phenomenal. So what do you relate to the most like what moves you the most about it. I watched it with my partner. And i think to me was seeing myself in these characters who are in their early twenties full of dreams and there's so many weird echoes to what we're going through. Now this weird disease that's taking overkill heavy watching it. it's not a heavy so much as really profound. It really stayed with me. And i think the creator just has this way of showing gay life in queer life in a way that's important but also that everyone can relate. It's as you said triumph. I'm honestly really really excited to watch it. I really can't wait era defining television. Doesn't this help be inspire. Doesn't it make you want to at least try to create. It did something really. Does it really did it really. did you. so much for listening to this episode. We're so happy that you're here if this conversation resonated with you please share with someone We want to as many people to join our chosen family for the season and on this note. Let's go with credits. Chosen family is produced by me. Thomas lib la winter eight mcmahon edits and mixes the show and and dongo is are contributing producer. Chosen families. music is by the lost boys. Judy the our digital producer. Tina verma is the senior producer. Cbc podcasts and noorani is the executive producer. 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November 25: Begging to differ

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November 25: Begging to differ

"I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm jeff turner and this is recall. It's a series about history not the ancient past history. That hot to the touch. In this first season i explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the cbc. Listen app or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast hello. I'm carol off. And i'm chris hayden. This is as it happens. The podcast edition tonight. Begging to differ ontario's auditor-general fines delay conflict and confusion in the provinces response to covid nineteen but health minister. Christine elliott takes issue with the just issued report injustice laid bare toronto. Police finally make changes to win. How and how often strip searches are conducted changes former mayor. John sewell has been demanding for years clearing the ice. The late fred sokaia moose had a short. Nhl career with a huge impact smoothing a path for other indigenous hockey players with a shot of the big leagues. If you make it you've got. It made the prime minister admits. Canadians won't be first in line for a covid vaccine in part because we won't be the producing it wake up and smell the trophy justin bieber and the weekend both have gripes with this year's grammy. Nominations apparently forgetting that the big music awards are always tone-deaf and sticking point of all the memorable moments in our interview with a florida man who rescued his dog from an alligator. You latched onto one in particular the part where he treated his injuries with superglue as it happens. The wednesday edition radio. That now understands the importance of bonding ontario's auditor general has taken a look at the province's pandemic response and she is not impressed. In a report released today. Bunny listrik describes an approach marked by quote delays conflicts and confusion. She criticizes inadequate testing and contact tracing and the auditor general. Also points out that with more than thirty five hundred ontarians already dead as part of the public health crisis the province's top public health doctor hasn't been put in charge. Kristina elliott is ontario's health minister deputy premier. We reached her in toronto. Mr elliott. this is a fairly damning report. isn't it especially. On the leadership of your government auditor. Daniel has found delays conflicts and confusion in your decision making. Who's responsible for that. Well well i I respect the auditor. General very much and i know that. Her report contained some recommendations Respecting some systemic issues there are also some factual inaccuracies that. We tried to have resolved before the report was released. So some of the comments made by the auditor general specifically the issues. You just mentioned we do not agree with. We had a structure in place from the beginning of the pandemic that responded very quickly to the issues many many issues that we were facing and we ended up with the fact that ontario rate now has the lowest per capita per one hundred thousand of any jurisdiction in north america outside of the atlantic provinces and territories and she disagrees that doesn't gm and she says that Ontario does not compare. Well one of the things she's saying is that the coordination was didn't have a medical professionals on the central coordination table of nine. Deputy ministers five political advisors from your office the premier's office and it didn't have the chief medical officer of health on it. Which is she cites as a major oversight. What do you say to that well. I disagree with With all of those comments There are i think there is some confusion. Perhaps on the auditor general's part with respect to who was making the decisions and and making the recommendations. The central Coordination table was not set up as a health table. That was set up. As a table to coordinate the response of the many ministries that were involved in dealing with covid nineteen but the recommendations table was the central command table which was set up very quickly and which did have many people with public health experience on that table Chief being dr williams our chief medical officer of health but she also the owner general says that even when these decisions are made many of them were were not the right. One she points out the dr williams Failed to uses full powers to issue directives about wearing masks. Early enough that You waited until march thirteenth The friday before the march break to warn of essential travel that Refuse to acknowledge that community transmission of the virus until march twenty six. You didn't order. Long-term care workers to wear masks throughout shifts until april eighth. Many people had become ill and had died by. Then that is where the auditor general is pointing out. As being critical lost time well the auditor general has suggested that we were delayed in our response to covid nineteen compared to other jurisdictions that is simply not so in fact. We acted very quickly. We were the first jurisdiction to declare that corona virus was Required disease that had to be phoned in and had to be reported. And that'll put into place a situation. Such that local medical officers of health could then start their testing tracing and contact management. We were also the second to declare a state of emergency just narrowly behind quebec and the first jurisdiction to close our schools in order to be able to protect our children so we acted very quickly. We were not delayed in our response and as to any suggestion that dr williams did not use all of his directive powers. Dr williams has said and south. If he had to do that he would not have been doing his job properly. Because those are directive directv. Dr williams did was being contact with a local medical officers of health. Do understand what they were doing. If they wanted to have more stringent provisions in their areas he was in contact with them and he coordinated their response to that so dr williams was front and center did take all of the steps that he needed to take and he has been His recommendations have been key to the difficult decisions that we've had to make during this pandemic you have heard as we have so many medical professionals in ontario. Say that they believe. Dr williams is not effective. Why do you why. Dr williams still in that position. Because he's doing his job properly. We can see that in the numbers they speak for themselves and dr williams has over thirty years experience in public health. There is no one else in ontario. I believe that. Could step into this position right now in the middle of a pandemic and do a better job than dr williams when you say that interior and not you have confidence because ontario you say is doing better than other jurisdictions in north america and other countries. You're the deputy premier of canada's richest province. What message does that send you. Think to people who've lost loved ones that it could have been worse that tarot did better than others but it could've been worst. People people saw their loved ones. Die by the thousands here. Well i certainly recognize what you're saying. There is There's this isn't something that we want to brag about because there is a lot more work that needs to be done. And i am very very sorry for the families that have lost loved ones but i would say that we have done our best. There is no rule book for this. There's no single jurisdiction anywhere in the world. That has done a perfect job at this. I am confident that we have done. Everything within our power to protect the health and wellbeing of the people of antero and dr williams and all of the medical officers public health people who have provided their recommendations they have been Sound and we have always follows them and we'll continue to follow them. So you reject the findings of the auditor. General's report a new field. That you did everything properly. No i don't reject all of the findings of the auditor general's report. I think that the auditor general made some recommendations with respect to some systemic Concerns that existed long before We became government but there are other areas where there are some factual inaccuracies that we tried to Point before this report was released and resolve but unfortunately the auditor general Was not prepared to do that. Mr elliot will leave it there. Thank you thank you carol. Christine elliott is ontario's deputy premier and minister of health. She spoke to us from toronto. Do when covid nineteen vaccines get delivered. Canadians will not be at the front of the global line. Prime minister justin trudeau says that countries like the united states britain and germany will get the shots. I that's because they're able to make the vaccine on home soil. Canada cannot the prime minister could not say exactly when canadians would be able to get a vaccine only that it will be early next year. That prompted this response today. From dp leader jagmeet singh. There needs to be a plan. Canadians need to know. Just very simply. When will we expect a vaccine to be delivered in canada. And what is a plan to make sure everyone has access to it. We've said it should be free accessible to all and we need to hear that plan. There's there's no clear indication of when will receive that. And that's something important. Kennedy's needs to know that in justin trudeau did not answer that question. But secondly the question was about production I am angry at the idea that liberal conservative governments allowed the final production facilities to shut down. Never thinking that that would put our country into a severe problem. The fact that we're the tenth largest economy in the world and can produce vaccines like there's something deeply problematic about that and that is something that previous liberal and conservative governments allowed to happen the put us in this position and we've known about the importance of a vaccine for months. Now why was this. Issue of production are raised earlier. These are very important questions that have not been answered and caused me. Great concern and ep leader. Jagmeet singh speaking today in ottawa andrew. Casey is the president of biotek canada. Which represents the biotech industry including vaccine makers we reached him in ottawa. Casey you just heard mr seeing there. He's not the only one who is impatient to see canadians. Get the vaccine. How long do you expect people here. We'll have to wait. Yeah clearly we got some late at the end of the tunnel and everybody wants to get there as quickly as possible. So he's fully understand wanting to get some answers there but of course you think about how quickly got to where we are. That's kind of a miracle in itself. Now we have to figure out how to distribute vaccines that are going to be available. And it's going to be critical to the criticism book. Canada and its manufacturing capacity I'm not aware of any duck. Seen manufacturing those left the country. Indeed we do have to very significant facilities glaxosmithkline in quebec city and the snowfield plant in toronto. Both which produce menu manufacturer back. Now we also have meta cognition quebec city which is one of our newer company canada. And there's a veto interact facility scotch when these facilities that could be producing the vaccine. Know that is where the challenge lies so we have manufacturing capacity the issue. That is here now the two leading vaccines that are emerging the pfizer vaccine. The during a vaccine are mr any type of vaccines and we do not manufacture that type of vaccine canada. In fact all the plants that our producer without wilmington's actually are also new is one for instance in michigan. It was an expansion. That was two years ago so nobody was really prepared for the a vaccine and you can't take an existing facility. That's doing the traditional protein based vaccine and switch it over to 'em are in either two completely different technologies so why are other people other other countries So far ahead. Not just the united states you said. Two years ago they started to develop it but the united kingdom and germany did. They already have facilities to make 'em r. n. a. Vaccines the companies did. So let's let's separate. The companies from the country's the companies are the ones that are developing the vaccines. They have facilities research facilities and manufacturing facilities they invest in it and they happened to be in some of those countries the contracts that are being signed between companies and the countries and that's completely different issue terms accessibility to vaccines as they come out. So each country is signing contracts with the companies that are going to be producing a vaccine. How does get rolled out. Depends on regulatory approval. And then the plans that are gonna be put in place for distribution of vaccines into the population. It was not possible. That canada could have been sort of ramping this up. He's heard in the summer. The prime minister in montreal announcing a bio manufacturing facility at the human health therapeutics research center. Also saying that even if that wasn't up to construction in time another investment on upgrades to current facility that will be able to see the time manufacture the vaccine some doses of it by november. So what happened there well. We did invest in companies being pursued medical city invested in edo interact. Immuno vaccine halifax significant government investments. But these are technologies. That are very early in their still yet. To be proven applications and so you still have to sort of go through the full scientific testing them and they will come out at some point in time. I think the bigger challenge is. How do you sort of say okay. This is going to be the vaccine. We did not know in april or money that it was going to be the mr in baseball team. So we we could've taken a bet and and in fact bill gates did exactly that he's foundation vested billions in about seven facilities in the us knowing that three or four them would never produce anything. 'cause they're trying to cover the spectrum of possible vaccines and some of their facilities will be ready to produce the amarnath vaccines which are the pfizer. And madonna ones. That are being talked about but even those facilities won't be able to produce for probably another year. I think what the canadian government was very smart as they got frightening negotiate contracts with the companies that would be producing the vaccines and secure the supply. In fact i think they've secured enough supply for many times over for the population in a number of different vaccines including the bergman during the vaccine said canada. Now be looking ahead beyond this and to say we should be producing vaccines at home. We're going to get into that. Productions that were canada should go no question what we know that there's gonna be a covert twenty two twenty eight. You can pick your pick your virus. They're going to be more of these types of challenges that we're going to face defeat. Bill gates predicted this many years before kobe derived we knew these types of things. We're gonna come. We do have to prepare for those. So if there's a case to be made. I think it is that we thirty now what the future looks like. Where should we invest in. We should be doing that. In partnership is an industry we wanna partner with government sort of identify where the needs are going to be. We've got some fantastic companies in this country that are developing these responses. The innovations technology science. We can build on that. We can grow capacity here to respond to the next helter. Challenge a crisis like this one but you have also pointed out that you think that. Ottawa has to reconsider. Its plans to drive down. Drug prices in canada in order to attract investment from the pharmaceutical industry. Are you suggesting there should be a quid pro quo. No i'm suggesting there actually should be a more holistic public policy. Put in place that recognizes that these companies. You can't just sort of slice and and of say that's the part i wanna work with. And that's the other part. I don't wanna work with these companies. Need to working here in this country. Working with the government and public policy will create the environment that wants to come and invest in this country. And i think that's the important part so we want to have that kind of a capacity to respond not only in the vaccine space but in other therapies and other disease patients. I think we need to collectively going back to the beginning. Date light at the end of the tunnel that she said we should give us encouragement. Do you think it's possible that we will begin to see vaccines people getting vaccines before the new year before the new year. I it's possible It's very possible it depends again on the regulatory process. And of course the roller plan so it is possible we could be ahead of the other countries that is all they're just like the us and the uk and other places. I think that is a very distinct possibility But i think we'll be prepared for the possibility that it won't be until the new year. Leave it there. Mr casey thank you thank you. Carol andrew. casey is the head of biotech canada. Which represents the vaccine industry he was in ottawa. And for more on this story tune into the current tomorrow morning on. Cbc radio one. Many of you were clearly glued to your radio because you were ready to stick it to us on the subject of sticking one's injuries back together with superglue on monday. Carol spoke with florida man. Who had done just that. After rescuing his puppy from the jaws of an alligator he repaired his own injured. Self with little commercial adhesive technique. Carol or i have used but several of you appear to be adherence and pointed out that our ignorance of super suturing capacities. It's downright tacky. Aj fedaruk wrote just wanted to note after carol's surprise about using superglue to close wounds. That i believe the original use for superglue was just for that purpose. We've just found so many other often less urgent uses for it. But when you end up with your fingers glued together while that's what it's supposed to do roger. V told us he'd been doing it himself for ages quote presto in seconds the crack is closed and begins to heal. You might want to air this case there are listeners who suffer from painful cracks and don't know about the simple remedy of superglue. A few of you told us. The trick was widely used during the vietnam war and one caller said it's regularly employed in her home. Hi my name is teddy davis. I'm from jenin. Quebec and i was listening to your story the governor and the alligator and but mostly about superglue on your looms and and it really does work well but your cat has to be fresh and it's got to be extremely plane and because you don't want wanna trap all kinds of nasty stuff wants to super has taken hold. So that's my two cents worth i. Thank you for calling and there you have it. Superglue not just for crafts but probably not always for wounds. Either if you're really hurt we suggest a doctor. And if it's radio year after stick with us fred. moves played eleven games with the chicago blackhawks and that was his. Nhl career but his impact on first nations hockey players. Everywhere is immeasurable. Mr sasaki moose. One of the first indigenous hockey players died yesterday from complications of covid nineteen. He was eighty six francis. Atkins had a tough childhood. He was torn from his family in taku creation and sent to residential school but hockey remained constant and in one thousand nine hundred fifty three. The nhl came calling. They don't tell you anything at a time time at your plan for the playoffs in junior hockey that you were going to go to night show. Your next step. Didn't tell you that that was all pretty well hidden. So i came in said fred sakamoto's please report immediately to chicago blackhawks. You'll be playing in toronto. Maple leaf gardens saturday now. Can i in canada the room just once we looked at each other and when i do greatest moments of my life to players like reggie leach fred psychosis short career in the nhl. Meant everything. mr leeches gibb way from toba and played thirteen seasons in the nhl we reached reggie leach in ondeck onto conversation nation on manitou island. Reggie i'm sorry for your loss of your friend fred's the sakamoto's thank you very much when you hear that clip. When you hear fred. Talk about that moment. it's just i. Everyone must get a chill to spine hearing that. What a remarkable moment did he ever tell you about what was like to get called up. The chicago blackhawks play hockey night in canada. I had heard that story a few times. I'm fred and I know in since i was sixteen years old. Oh i know. I know about him but we never became friends later on in life but here here in his voice and how holly how excited he was and how heartfelt It makes it gives. You gives me chills just listening to that again and and being so happy for him after all. These years is still. It's still a great memory. And when you think about what that where he comes from when he comes from reservation you comes from the residential school system all things. He went through his dad teaching him to play hockey on a frozen pond. It's just a the quintessential story isn't it of somebody. Just take a kid. Becoming one of the hockey grades for bread. Had pretty pretty tough life and you know going like set going to school and living version. Nation community up northern sketch win. Their parents didn't as much as possible for him at the time. And i know that you know eighty used to tell me they had no money and everything else. And then when he got said residential school and with his brothers and sisters and stuff like that That was a hard life with them. Back in the fifties people don't understand that it is when when parents le- let lose their kids and a lot of times. You never seen your kids again. I remember one time northern community we got to sit in addressing me just being him and we talked for about an hour and a half and he's tell me all these stories and when he tells you a story you feel like you you were there with him because you look in his eyes and he has tears premium areas is and and you know that's pretty is as he's speak from the heart. He's a kindest gentleman that you would ever meet kid. Did he ever explain to you why he left after only eleven games with the nhl story. That i heard was that he wanted to live closer to home. And i heard that they send them back to calgary and play in the semi pro zero or whatever league was at that time story i heard with him is that he got so lonely. One one day He hired a cab to go from calgary to sandy lake reserve which is all the eight hour drew cab ride. His wife lived there and and He went there he wanted he he he so much he went there and his wife told him that she wasn't moving up to the first nation community. So i think that's that's how great just said stayed home to my feeling is. I don't think they were married yet. I think he went there to ask her to marry him and move with him and actually i think she decided that he would just stay on. What does that tell you about your friends character that he would give up a dream job the nhl to be with his hometown. Sweetheart i think pretty put His first nation and his family. I had played the national hockey league. And that's the way he is you know he was so much in culture and his kirsch nation routes that You know that's why was he. He became such a great man. He only played eleven games but he was an inspiration to many people including yourself. What did what did he mean to you. You know what those games is like playing eleven hundred hundred games because he's the one that both the barrier for us. He's the one who was the first one that major national hockey league. Then young guys like myself you know sixteen seventeen years here about this guy for nation guy player national hockey league and it felt so good to know that he was he was first nation. And and and it makes you try harder. You want to be like him you want to be like. Bridges are where she wanted to play in the national hockey league. Lots of other. Nhl players are saying that Today their tail flurry carry price jordan. To they're all morning to to to fred as the person who inspired them as he inspired you. You have different generations off first nation players that that played in the national hockey league for myself it was ready and then then there was jimmy nielsen and then then i came along and and then after that was you know it jerry price and most of us came from poor families. Most of them have any money. It's a hard heart during for us. You know we're behind eight ball right now because of the first nation and do you think they didn't change do think that's still the case for first nations fires. I still think it's a case. Still fill the case today. We're always at lafayette sex second set first and You know he's not going to change. What did i do after he returned to to his his tone. I you know i really don't know i know. He became chief later on in life and always involved with a lot of the first nation communities and just catch and i got very lucky because we we did a zoom meeting about three weeks ago and that was the last time i spoke to them and so but it was nice to see him. And if gave me chills when you played that clip lila off how how speaks and everything else and and You know You never forget that you know he passed but he will always you'll always live on veggie. Thank you so much talking about your friend. Thank you very much for having me and thank you for doing a great tribute georgia. You bet bye bye. Okay bye reggie. Leach played thirteen seasons in the nhl including with the boston. Bruins and the philadelphia flyers. He was talking about his friend. Fred sasaki knows who died yesterday. At the age of eighty six. We reached mr leach on manitou island in ondeck onto conde for his nation. I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm jeff turner and this is recall. It's a series about history not the ancient past but history. That still hot to the touch. In this season i explore a revolutionary political movement brought a modern democracy to the rank. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the cbc. Listen app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi josh block. Host of uncover escaping nexium from. Cbc podcasts. I pull back the curtain on the secret of self help group that experts call called and follow one woman's heroin journey to get out. The podcast was featured in rolling stone magazine and named one of the best podcasts of two thousand eighteen in the atlantic listened to uncover escaping next on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcast for years. Getting arrested in toronto was also likely to include a strip search. A recent report revealed that the city's police were strip searching people forty times more often than other large ontario police forces but the toronto police force now says that it has dramatically brought down. Those numbers interim police chief. James raymer told the toronto star. Clearly we were doing it wrong and changes needed to be made former toronto mayor. John sewell has been trying to get the police to rein in strip searches for more than fifteen years. He's currently a member of the toronto police accountability. We reached him in collingwood ontario. So what was it like for you to finally hear. Toronto's police chief admit that the forces strip-searched policy needed to change. Well it last better late than never and it was in two thousand four that we went to the board and say you know you guys are strip searching way too many people you're searching third of all the people you're arresting and the supreme court of canada said too much. They should only happen. Rarely you know so. That was two thousand and four teeth. Bill blair did nothing for the next ten years until he left then she saunders did nothing. The board did nothing so to actually find the change. I was delighted. And how is it that in toronto at four out of every ten arrests between two thousand fourteen twenty sixteen looked at four hundred ten arrests and in a strip search her have a strip searches part of it. Well and i mean that's compared to all other large police forces in ontario which strip search one percent of those they arrest rather than forty percent. I it just became a systemic thing to toronto police. That's what you do. I mean the way that police culture seems to happen. Is that You get in there and you do what everybody expects you to do. So if you have to discriminate against black people are indigenous people you. Discriminate against blacks are indigenous. If you have to strip searched too many people use strip search so i think it just became a systemic practiced. What effect does it happen from your research. What effect does it have on people to strip searched. oh they just. I think they're just devastated. We know that in certain women. It's happened to the there beside themselves. As as you were. I would be too. You know particularly if you haven't done very much that wrong now if you're somebody who's heavily involved in drugs or if you happen to be somebody who's carrying a gun okay that that's a different arrangement but that's very that's only eight or nine percent all the people who were arrested so many of the people are being strip searched or maybe the accused of fraud or something. I just so. It's devastating devastating to be put in that position that that's why the supreme court said demeaning degrading. Yup they were right. What do you think will now change. Well what they've required now is what the supreme court decided in two thousand and one that before you do a strip search a half to do a pat down search and you that has to reveal that there is reasonable grounds for thinking that person is trying to hide something So this will be a very significant change to people in toronto there also have to be recording of the the search. As often as they can do it they will now not of the search itself donald. You know that that gets into privacy issues but recording of the previous search just because it's a great thing you start with what they call protective search which is just a little pat down and then there's the frisk search which is a bit more serious. You might have to take off a sweater for that or a code or something like that. They would have to be a videotape this if they can do that. Toronto police say they cut the number strip searches from over two hundred fifty a week earlier this year to under forty a week. Currently what exactly would that be. Is it because of of covid. Nineteen is because of the policy. They brought in the policy that the policy spending in place now for about a month so that's why the numbers of searches has gone way. Way down okay. So searches has gone down as they've been any consequences that are more people being found takes smuggling in weapons or drugs into into facilities. Not wait i in the point is that it doesn't happen and other large police forces you to the ottawa is an example or kingston. They they don't have any problems that way. So there's no reason it should be a problem here in toronto so that just shows that they. They really was no reason for all those searches. I think you're right. Yup at which is why we asked the board the board. That's refu- i mean. This has a lot to say about. How awful police boards are in in bringing real civilian oversight to the police forces that they're responsible for 'cause the board literally did nothing for for sixteen or seventeen years despite it in a lot of court cases to forty court cases. Draw where the judges complained about strip searches in the boards. Did nothing so that this will be a a very significant change like the forest to try and force to say to those thousands of people who have been subjected to this humiliation over the years. Well i'd like to say we apologize. We were wrong now. The chiefs has said this new interim chief and got a hand at the him. He's make the changes that other chiefs of refuse to make. He has said that. You know we've got it wrong. We've been doing too many of them. Well that's a start. I think we should get a serious apology. it's not hard to do to say by the way we've made a really bad mistake here. We want to make sure we don't ever make it. You know i'd like to see that happen if this is so deeply into the culture of policing is it possible for them to make really significant changes. Well i hope so. I hope so. You know the the killing of george floyd and breonna taylor and then the three that happened in canada. Sean tell moore rodney Levy both in new brunswick at the the man who was an in metal crisis in mississauga. Audrey I think that that is sort of changed. A lot of people's attitudes police said therefore the police are now beginning to realize that their cultures way way way out a step so i think that there is a lot of pressure for some change. That's not going to be easy. They're gonna have to do it. I mean we've seen that with the extraordinary report about the rcmp last week about a toxic environment. So there's a lot of works it's gonna be it's gonna be done by. I think elected officials having exercise over the police. This is who is good to talk to you thank you thanks. Carol appreciate it. John is the former mayor of toronto and a member of the toronto. Police accountability coalition. We reached him in collingwood on -tario in november nineteen eighty-nine. David dinkins was elected mayor of new york city. He was and still is. The only black person ever elected to that position and his philosophy was inclusive in his inaugural address. He spoke of what he called the gorgeous mosaic of race and religious faith of national origin and sexual orientation in new york. David dinkins died on monday at the age of ninety three. The city's current mayor. Bill de blasio has called him a man who said new york on a better path after mayor dinkins was elected as it happens spoke with his friend. Bill tatum the editor of the amsterdam news about his victory. You want because he is democrats He damn near loss because he's black The exit polls indicated that he would be winning by anywhere from four to twelve percent. A significant number of white people lied about how they voted here in the city. What do you mean by that. They said they were going to vote for him and didn't then had in. Fact voted for giuliani. Then if we can extrapolate from from what you've just said what does that mean for relationships between blacks and whites in new york over the next four years. I'm afraid to even think about it. What it suggests to me is that in spite of the fact that david was the standard bearer for the democrats whites in new york found it difficult if not impossible to pull the lever for a black that they did not choose to vote for a black. When i'm white was running in spite of the fact that for all our lives black people in new york we have voted for white and whites refuse to vote for blacks a in particular when we call ourselves a party town. That was bill tatum. Speaking with our former host. Michael enright about the election of david dinkins in nineteen eighty nine. Mr dinkins took office. During a turbulent time in new york city he would serve only one term as mayor with some pointing to his handling of the crown heights. Riots as a major reason for his defeat. Patrick spar was an aide to mayor david dinkins. He's the former. Us ambassador to south africa and now the president of open society foundations. We reached him in new york to by first of all. I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you so very much for having me on and thank you for expressing that it's been a time of wonderful remembrances that really grounds me and of course you were there in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. When david dinkins was elected mayor. You just heard bill. Tatum had to say about that. Time what do you remember about the moment. That was of course an exceptional moment. We just made history. We were galvanized and seized by. That was the reality of what bill. Tatum said that the the polls had indicated it would be an easier victory and so it was really astonishing to see somebody who had a long career in public service. Barely win against someone who at that point was only known as a kind of flashy prosecutor and so as a mayor dinkins became there was in new york. Time of crimewave High unemployment and a lot of racial tension already. So what was it. Like for mr dickens mayor the bayer light to say that he had a honeymoon of about a day where he was able to just kind of soak in the power of at all and then very immediately was hit with the urgent emergencies of the day. We were in the midst of fiscal crisis. Crime had spiraled out of control over the many years prior to his having assumed the role and there were many many people in the city who did not feel as if they were central to The solutions that were being offered for The future so in that period somebody who was known david dickens for his dignity and grace also became really known for his work ethic. He rolled up his sleeve and despite the endless indignities That he suffered in that time he still managed to transform the way lawrence horsemen works in new york by creating a safe streets safe city program that grounded officers in the community and led to the first decline in crime high in new york over many years since the sixties and was really proud of the investments that he made that created greater access to knowledge for young people for the first time since nineteen forty seven. All of the libraries in new york city. Were open six days a week kind of dug in quickly and had a clear sense of the things that he wanted to be held accountable to and deliver on and i was rightly proud of those accomplishments. He was up against a lot. There wasn't he and he faced a lot of criticism for The the one thousand nine hundred one crown heights riots in brooklyn clashes between the jewish community in the community and Tragic deaths in the course of that. What regrets do you think he had about how he handled the crown heights. Riots god that was just a complicated time. I was there every step of the way with the mayor during the crown heights. Rice both in city hall while he was deliberating gathering intelligence making the decisions. But also i was on the ground With them when rocks being thrown one could just since the proximity of danger. So i would say this. The the mayor himself Often said that he wished that his police department had acted with greater resolve and quicker conviction. he believes that he should have pushed his police. Commissioner harder and faster. I also wanna say are killed that so much of the crown heights with just exploited by keep opportunism politicians who are trying to score points. David dinkins if somebody who always reached out to build community and politicians like rudy. Guiliani accused them of organizing for program against the jewish community was reprehensible then and shocking when one looks back on it There's also a way that what occurred in crown heights has been over dramatized in the history of david dinkins and has been lifted up the the reason why he lost re election. We won our election by less than fifty thousand votes. We lost a reelection by less than fifty thousand volts yet. Didn't if the. I never since a mayor for new york city show. He wants firm sandwiched between the mayorship of two legendary characters. New york ed koch and rudy giuliani out different. Was he from them. Ed koch in his first term was a real cheerleader for the city outsized personality but by the time he turned the corner on his second and third term challenge of corruption had overwhelmed a his administration and there was a sense that there was a lack of integrity. There rudy giuliani. Who followed us. I have no apology saying that during the campaign and subsequent to it He was so arsonist. And he's somebody who's never really operated with a sense of clarity about truth and honesty and we're seeing that right now the way he's representing donald trump In the election. David dinkins was much more. Low key personnel the fierceness to him that the public didn't often see as the first african american. He was always guarding himself. Always tried not to show flashes of anger. 'cause he thought there was an important example that he has a set of for others in you. He would be judged differently at the time though he was considered to be as one washington post headline said. Is david dinkins. Too nice for new york was is that there's some truth to that. No david wasn't too nice. If i had to criticize the mayor. I think that he was not good at sounding his trumpet. I remember web david. Dinkins help to create the first all civilian review boards for new york city police department and leaderboard in powerful reforms. He undersold those reforms even sounded as if he was apologizing for them when he announced them when we had two consecutive years of crime drops. The mayor didn't even want to be in front of his police commissioner in announcing that so he didn't shoot his own horn so he wasn't too nice but the was a little too self effacing i'd say he was defeated for years. There did he. Did he believe that he lost because he's black. David dinkins Believed that there was an element of racial animosity. That the shrove some of that but at the same time he would be the first to to say. There's a way he could have communicated differently. Could have lead to different outcomes by appreciate speaking with you and and having you share your memories of your friend thank you. Thank you so kindly forever beyond about that. Great man patrick. S bar was an aide to former new york city. Mayor david dinkins. Mr dinkins died monday. He was ninety three. Got that young young. This is yummy by justin bieber which was just nominated for a grammy for best pop solo. Performance that bugs mr bieber. Who feels that. The song is r&b not pop. And you can argue that. It's our nbc or that it's pop or that it's terrible and the no one should call a song yummy but there's no point arguing with the grammy's they are ridiculous even down to the spelling of their name which should be g. r. a. m. i. e. s. not g. r. a. m. y. s. But i guess they left the wyan because it's the question. Everyone asks every year about the grammy nominations to pick. Just one of zillion legendary mistakes in twenty fourteen. The grammy's chose macklemore new artist. Over kendrick lamar. So as a musician. Your expectations should be low. But as you've probably heard yesterday's nominations are not working for the weekend in a statement. The canadian artist wrote the grammy's remain corrupt. You owe me my fans and the industry transparency. He's upset because the weekends album after hours was a huge commercial and critical success. But he wasn't nominated for anything and he's probably right to have expected some recognition but he was wrong to expect the grammys to make sense even when they get it right. They get it wrong for example k. Tra- nada another canadian is nominated for best new artist this year even though he won the polaris music prize here in canada in twenty sixteen. 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S2 E13: Sweet Fantasy with Owen Pallett

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S2 E13: Sweet Fantasy with Owen Pallett

"Look being host is never easy all the prep work the last minute scrambling making guests feel comfortable. It's a lot when you're hosting for the holidays. There's no better a place to start than at Ikea right now. At the ICA holiday event you can get everything you need to deck the halls in every room in your home with up to twenty percent off select holiday today essentials until December twenty fourth visit an Ikea's store for full details. This is a CBC podcast. I I really dislike race. Cathartic described songwriting process. Because I feel like it. Deprives the artists of if they're agency in historically to these are words that are oftentimes more deployed to describe the work of women and where people Welcome to chosen family. I'm trying to winter and I'm Tony Slip Long. That was Owen Palette. You just heard he's an award-winning classically. Trained musician and you might also know him under his name. Final fantasy we'll talk to owen about all sorts of things like meeting your heroes on treating music as a business and even at the Oscars you'll hear that conversation later in the show but I try something very monumental weeks ago your first I. I'm seeing Celine Dion in concert and I never thought I would ever end up out of selene. Why because I've always hated her? It's the last place I ever thought I would find myself and just to be clear. We did not pay for the tickets. Got Them for free through some very generous friends Friday and so now we're joined with some of her fans here this evening. Thomas and China. Good evening thank you. I'm not actually a fan. I'm a fan but we're friends and it was a seven seven time for her so it's kind of a habit at this point so I was really excited to see you see her. I didn't know how exciting with going to beat of. See so you see her as well because you were so much more excited than I realized so. And I've never been to a concert with you before Mr like you really lose your your mind. I went crazy so this was at the Bell Centre which doubles as Hockey Arena for the Montreal Canadians. The show starts with this. Whole Larry is video montage hodge of her putting makeup on not even any makeup on the brushes? Okay and it's like her in the mirror. It's just such a cliche and selene rises from from underneath the stage and she's wearing the sequined readdress and everyone's going crazy and she starts with. It's all coming back to me now. Can you believe leave. She starts with the most epic song of the catalog. That's why I love her. She's not a she goes for it. So it's so interesting because the selene mania is is bigger than ever right now. I didn't really believe it until show and her album hitting number one. I'm like wow people are really invested in her again in a way they haven't been in a long time. I don't know what it is. I don't know is it. Because she's being more real with us and we're seeing her sort of experience -perienced freedom that she's never had because Rene has made all the decisions for her entire career because now in the show. This is the first show that I've actually had a part in creating which is insane. Thanks and saying to people who are not closed scholars as we are observers of Celine. It's been a long way and I think for me. It really started started actually twelve years ago when the rebranded her Vegas show St changed her outfits and as sort of a sense of fashion started to get because before that it was. I mean this was a catastrophe. Yeah like her fashion and everything was a catastrophe. And then gradually you know th through like small steps and you know working with for example sample on his song in two thousand thirteen or being named drop by Con- you in two thousand ten and like these little thing and then the the really. The turning point was in two thousand sixteen when her husband spending manager renowned Joel died it was really emotional and intense moment for her but she broadcast. Because I don't think the American audience cared. What about renee passing like? That didn't really mean anything to them. But it's what happened after the major fashion moments started happening and in a way. It's kind of interesting interesting. If you parallel we're coming to the end of a decade you know and for me you know. This is a decade that has gotten progressively more and more more vacuous and in a way kind of makes sense that selene. This like universally appealing person that you can project whatever you want on on is so in tune with the spirit of social media and how you can cultivate anything that you want like when she's in different international markets like the way she speaks. French and France is different than the way she speaks French. When she's in Quebec the way she speaks English in Asia is different from the way she speaks English in America? One thing that I find fascinating with stars stars like Selena's their relationship audience when they say that they loved the audience. Well that's a very selene thing like when you when you go to Barbara streisand concert. People Young I love and Barbara and all she says is thank you. She never says I never says I love Selene. Says I love you too. And one thing that Rene really ingrained rain in her is the idea of customer service and I played. Yeah and I think she's just a really good customer service representative brand. They sent me the generational divide within within the celine. Fan Base is really really interesting to me because the ticket prices. It's quite expensive to go see her so of course. I think it skews older when you go to a concert because people were going to spend three hundred dollars for a ticket. The audience at the Montreal show was like the average age was fifty. But what's interesting. Is that at the concert. So many many of the people of our age were getting into fights with these older people and like is that where we're at right now. Okay boomer Mer into a such an okay boomer moment for anyone who doesn't know the okay boomer thing as a Hashtag that's allowed grievances. At boomers you know specifically like you know boomers were in positions of power within politics and within commerce who are making the world such a horrible horrible place. So what happened was we we. We are at our seas to really great tickets. I would say we were like fifteen row up. The side section of the arena and second song is a French song and I'm super excited so I stand up everybody in front of us standing up and dancing. Yeah it was a mood and then this man who I assume is a baby boomer. I know he was is your grabs me by the shoulders. And he's like you don't have to stand. He's being super aggressive. I know I know you got scared. Well I was just thrown off because his wife. I'm assuming also to have to me on the shoulder to she wasn't quite as aggressive and we weren't a jerk standing up in the section withstanding like this is the second song it's like her first night in Montreal during the ballads. Calm down. So anyways the usher is like what the Hell is going on so they brought us down to the floor. I mean he wasn't only just the floor. We were in the. What is the penalty box? I I think the Montreal Canadian I don't I don't know over in this like sort of VIP box on the side of the floor. Basically ten rows away from from stage but what was so hilarious that there were these two out her girls in the box and they were there because they had also gotten into an altercation with the elderly people around and their original and then towards the end of the show to other. Troublemaker came to join us. The girl girl kept looking at the person she had the altercation with giving them the finger like she wouldn't go. I know way was like the Selene concert was the battleground for the okay boomer Hashtag to sort of work itself out in person which was kind of hilarious. I was not expecting that. Honestly lean gene show also this decade for her and her personal life. There was the passing of Rene but there was also the birth of twins at the beginning of the decade Nelson Eddy. I don't think she's really aware of gender construction or gender discourse or but she just said she wanted her kids to be free yeah. She launched a fashion line. That's gender inclusive and she's famous for letting her decide when they want to cut their hair their little little boys but if they want to wear you know sparkling silver heels. They can do that so she's very very open to the gender expression of children but it's sort of amazing how also like her oblivious nece because I don't think she understands the real impact of that you know she's not an academic no. It's John Ever was and she will be. It's kind of crazy. How her oblivious nece to social issues politics the Internet has served her so well because in a way she's been able to move through all of those things so organically versus if you compare her to Madonna? Who so hyper aware of how she thinks? Everything is working against her. She has not been able to to evolve so we are here in twenty nineteen and Celine. Dion is cooler and more successful than Madonna. Right now. I mean I still will not admit that Selena's cooler selene to me is never going to be has never been cool. The audience at that show is proof of that. I was really happy she sang ziggy. Ziggy is probably the most iconic French pop song it tells. The story of this girl falls in love with a gay guy who were in a record store. My grandmother other gave me that tape and she passed away recently win. Selene was singing Ziggy at the concert. I was just thinking like me like as a seven year old like realizing that I was different. Listening to that Song Long and a lot of memories came up yeah. I didn't really have any memories. I really tried to shut selene out of the sure of my life when I was younger like a family friend gave me a CD copy of her falling into album for my birthday when I was like around eleven or twelve years old and I asked the receipt and returned it but again like I was just really surprised by the emotions that I felt at the show especially during all by myself self when she hits that superhuman note like I've seen all of her concert films and that moment in her life shows has always made me laugh. Because it's so do ridiculous. She does these karate chops in self-praise of south but witnessing her do that knows now she sings live. It's almost started crying. Track in a lot of which she has to be treated almost more like an actress than as a musician who writes her material about her life story because the material that she was given even was kind of applied to her life right ply to courage title of the new record is i. Don't maybe she came up with it but she didn't write the song. Now there's a song titled Kerr which is the other irony though. Is that like just her co-opting the word courage and it's like what you're which a rich white woman who had to bury a husband courage edged. I think I think a lot of people's lives depend on her business. Yes it's not only her you know it's the people who tour with her. It's like it's a lot a lot of people So I think going into this whole cycle again. She had to find the strength in herself to kind of not do it on her legacy because she could have done that but she decided to have a new cycle in avenue album new songs nineteen. That's what she meant by. Courage is courage to self actualize. Can we also it. Just say that finally. After forty years in the industry she finally got her hair. Right a Blonde Bob. It looked so so good. I never thought I'd ever see so many things. I never thought. I think it all happened that night so to be completely honest when we first were talking about having Owen Pallid on chosen family I was like kind of nervous to talk to him. Alan is just so smart and accomplished that to me. It's it's really intimidating and composing. Music is to me such a mystical skill. It is pallet studied classical violin and he composes first piece at the age of thirteen. And I can't help but make parallels with selene because from from a really early age they were boat lake prodigies. Who knew what they wanted to do? They knew they wanted to have a career in music and do their whole life and in addition to his own work Owen has done string orchestra arrangements for some of the music and this was like biggest artists on just a few. He's worked with the patch of boys Duran Duran Rem. I'm Fr- Ocean Taylor Swift. And of course arcade fire used to perform under the name final fantasy and it was under the final fantasy project. Check that he actually won the two thousand six. Polaris Music Prize for an album that I think has a hilarious title. The album is called. He Poos clouds. What an image image and it's so cute because now his instagram handle? Is he posts clouds which is so cute adorable a little bit of a heads up. We do talk about struggles with mental health in this conversation. In the end I have to admit Owen wasn't nearly as intimidating as I thought he would be thankfully and it was honestly honestly one of the most memorable interviews for me. We've done this season. From the moment we started talking he was really generous and so quick to open up our number. We're just GONNA check your levels so please tell us what you had for breakfast. This morning. I went over to My the host that until very recently. I shared with my ex-boyfriend And I had brought him in Americano and we had a very muffins I brought them for. Oh Him and we spoke about The dog that we once shared together and then towards the end of the conversation. I asked him if breath how he was feeling and he said that he missed me very much but that he was not really interested in reinitiating. Our relationship and I told him that I was amenable to getting back together but that of course I would leave the ball in his court. Unlike all that a morning yeah and when I spoke to my therapist about how I actually want to move back into that place and kick him out I relate also also uncoupled recently. It's really hard word. I mean I'm seeing a new guy and he's really wonderful but I really thought I was going to be spending the rest of my life with this guy and I miss him every ninety seconds You have so much the unpack and I really want to start with final fantasy. That's when I I sort of entered your world I want to talk about specifically the cover of Mariah Carey's fantasy because China Michael Host is incredible Mariah Fan Mariah Fan. I love your version of it. I'm are you an actual Mariah Fan. In fact I was talking with a friend of mine the other day and we agreed that three living gods in this world are demanding. Las and Mary Margaret Aharon Mariah Carey finally early enough. I mean I. I have not made the acquaintance of Mariah Carey but both the Amanda and Mary Margaret O'hara agree like Waco breed huge fans of each other and of Mariah Carey's. That's so interesting because I think sometimes mariah gets overlooked by you know I think people that take music very seriously seriously tend to not fully appreciate Mariah and her abilities she also creates worlds. Yeah there's a world there's a Utopian Quality I've been following Lingyu since the early two thousands. I'm thirty four so you were part of that early. Wave of Indie Rock in early two thousands in in Montreal and Toronto. And you've used the term Utopian futures to describe the world that you create with the music. What do you mean by Utopian futures? I guess it's Lurch because I was kind of Reading fantasy indices fiction a lot when I was a kid left a big impression on the especially the way that unique really to fantasy fiction when you read it they had these maps so you can track the movements of the protagonist of the novel through the map and typically too you know over the course of a longer series. You know that every corner corner of that map is going to be covered like you know that they will make it to those islands way over there. I think this really kind of like inform the way that I wanted to make records. Even though I don't provide provide people with a literal nop I really wanted the narratives within my albums. Kind of take place in a discreet world that kind of had its own logic and its own scenery and its own a Myth do you think there's an inherent queasiness in the idea of Utopian future isn't fantasy I feel like what you're describing especially when it comes to video games uh-huh and just the idea of creating your own fantasy world there. Is it something that draw a seems to draw queer people in. I think you could view through that Lens. I kind the little hesitant to view everything through in fact you know. I've always said that you know. There's a lot of great queer that's made by heterosexual heterosexual. That's true greatness. His way more about taste than it is about sexuality. My running definition of it is at a certain point queer. The people have to make an active decision to prioritize the needs of their body over societal convention And that this is inherently a kind of an anti establishment anti traditional sort of decision as a result. I just feel as if that people will kind of have a criticality towards awards institutions and. I think that that leaks through in a lot of queer art but you can also see track through. People who may not necessarily identify is queer. I mean a good example for me is drawn to kneel at the mountain goats. I think his music is very queer although he He's married with kids. I you want to read something came across where you described your daily creative routine. It was interesting that you actually did a few years ago and I want to see how much of it is still still true to to your process so here it is typically. I spend the mornings with coffee and oatmeal writing lyrics and enjoying the Internet I visit. Is it the gym every day at ten. Thirty A M not for the guns but to keep the crazy away I write and or record all afternoon but stop around six or seven. PM and Cook Dinner while listening to records in the evening. I'll have cocktails with friends or see a concert or state end in play video games. I do not take days off except once a month to go shopping and in the winter when I might take a few days of skiing. Yeah that's that must have been from two thousand twelve and so how much has changed a great deal has changed MHM Two thousand twelve was actually kind of a very Productive and positive year for me. I moved to Montreal on my then boyfriend and I we're going through a rough time His mother was ill and cheap ended up passing in two thousand thirteen which was a tragedy. But I wasn't actually a good space so he was very good and productive time in my life. That was kind of before my mental health just really fell off the edge of the table. Do you feel that being productive. In that case meant men is is is is a good thing for you to keep busy and to have a sense of purpose and why you do what you do. Yeah absolutely I mean the song. I'm not afraid was born in from that period of time when I just really felt as if I'd kind of found happiness in discipline just keeping to schedule relearn return. Well I mean I think we're all sort of trained to create this link between are worth and our productivity and it's really hard had to t- program that yeah I suppose so I feel like I've kind of gotten a little past that where now it's like. My automatic state is State of productivity. You know I often and I have said before that. It's just like music. I shed at like it just comes out like at this point. I don't even need to really concentrate juices like a constant state of creative of exercise. You have your own body of work. But you also an incredible collaborator to so many acts of course arcade fire that you've worked with Since the beginning but it also fucked up that which is a Canadian hardcore band Robbie Williams Taylor swift and to me. It's like very impressive. How they are from so many different genres is that something you've consciously tried to do or you to avoid categorisation or you just like followed your heart and then really second guess yourself I typically don't don't very often seek out clients Most of these gigs. They're just kind of coming to me oftentimes at somebody. WHO's collaborating with the artist? Nice to recommends me So in the case of Taylor swift it was Jack Knife. Li I have never met Taylor swift entirely worked with with jackknifed on that one but Robbie Williams and I we were in studio far longer than I would have preferred that for a long time. Ravi was like my major celebrity crush. Is there a moment in that process. That stands out to you as particularly memorably horrible or wonderful. He was actually very lovely but he started talking trash. About Courtney love and that is oh no it crosses the line night I think. Sometimes there's this idea that you know meeting your heroes can be really risky. Have you had moments where you've gotten to meet some of your heroes and what has been like I have always. I thought that there's an inherent toxicity towards people having higher expectations of individuals who are perhaps more visible And I have I. I've never felt fandom my entire life except maybe for an instant when I was fifteen towards like people like Bjork Tori Amos and Ever since I became a professional musician I've tried to make myself very available to people and be online and be available to for people to send an email to how in the hopes that this availability would humanize me and it has not been all that successful. There are people out there who are just kind of crazy the people that have taken advantage of your accessibility. Oh Yeah Extremely but yeah. It's I when I'm dealing dealing with musicians. I kind of just don't really have any more expectations out of them than I would. Have somebody coming over to clean my oven. You know right. Well there's just for the record. Also you've met David Bowie so you had no more expectations at the time towards the boat with into the person who came to clean your up. Well he was a little different but we was very special. It was like he was born into the public eye. He had in this capacity to just make anyone feel at ease and His his charisma was so Generous it was never Inwardly were looking at. It was always outward. He was so naturally curious about absolutely everyone. I kind of wish I had that the capacity to to be really that into other people. I'm kind of I'm a little Selfish with My emotions but also sounds like you mentioned a moment ago. It sounds like you did try to make herself available to people and having that sort of backfire. So how do you feel like you interact now with either your fans or fellow musicians communications. I will Without going too much detail. I've had some extremely traumatic experiences with People who who I thought were my friends and Reveal themselves to actually have Kind of ulterior motives. I found it absolutely devastating and it took an incredible tola mental health as a result. I've recently been a lot more private. What has been interesting? Interesting has been when speaking to Female friends and friends who are of color It's almost as if I was kind of privileged my entire life to not develop these kind of defense mechanisms to really keep the creeps out because women are required to develop these mechanisms from quite early on just because because of how many shitty men there are there. Is this why. Also you stopped posting on twitter like you were really engaged with the platform and the community there. Yeah I was going going through really really hard time in early. Twenty eighteen and Actually culminated in a suicide attempt and I was around that time that I just I decided I needed to Germany. Just kinda take space from social media because not only was The discourse that I was reading they're kind of putting my mind in to bad places. This is but I was finding that I was leaving myself open to individuals that had the intention of causing the harm. How do you take care of yourself? Now I I see a therapist twice a week And I'm on some medications. Keep me level headed just like Mild doses of lithium into the motor gene and stuff. I like that which is good for people with artistic temperament. What sign are you are you? You must be a water sign. No try again air. Nope oh my my God fire. No I mean no not I wish we suck a mover GEICO which I thought you would very very typical virgo. I get it. Are you ready for a holiday. I am always you should check out. Sun Be Experienced Columbia Ski. Shell eat and repeat. It's a world class ski destination with one hundred thirty seven runs down. Amazing treeline slopes ups plus dog sledding snowshoeing and more three mountain surrounded ski through village filled with shops and restaurants. It's like entering a snow globe globe giant Snow Globe with good food plan. Your trip at Sun peaks resort dot com as much as they want to. You can't live in your book anymore. Let's talk about your work on the movie. Her this is the sort of SCI FI romance starring restoring Huaqing Phoenix and Scarlett Joanne Sen directed by Spike Jones the renowned filmmaker and you wrote and scored the music for the movie and got an Oscar nomination for it. Yeah yeah that would have been in the summer of two thousand. Thirteen have very vivid memories of biking around Montreal with Spike Jones. It was really fun. He came over to my place in my land and At a a certain point we needed to get down to the studio which was a more in the gayborhood and so we just got some bikes and bike down the hill so spike Jones. He's obviously close with arcade arcade fire and and and will Butler was also working with you on that score just to be quite clear The reason why will is Chris and I are credited as a writing not score score was simply a result of the academy at the time not accepting more than one name on a score Arcade fire were not permitted to submit it their band name as the creators of the score so They picked the two people that they felt contributed. The most of the score which was will in myself I think they also kind of like include me because they knew that it would have as as. I'm like an active film composer. They knew that Oscar nomination would be a boon into my career and so it was very generous with them to do it but arcade fire. I think worked on that score for a year before I even got involved and I think they also unwanted. They know that I'm a abrasive person are you. I wouldn't say actually abrasive is what one person used to describe me but I'm unreservedly unreservedly Assertive in like in a gentle way. I'm not aggressive or anything like that. But I'm not afraid to tell people when their ideas wrong and Help how people that. It's time to get this done. Let's finish it and I think that's really what they needed at the time because they they felt like the score had been just taking a long time. They wanted to introduce a foreign element in somebody. Buddy who did not really care about his friendship with Spike Jonze tell him his ideas were out and spike and I definitely did butt heads I remember at a certain point. He even kind of smiled at me and said with a certain amount of acidity he said. Well Ellen when you direct your own feature then you can make that decision. You know It's like an I still remain friends. We email from time to time but there are some gentle conflict. You feel like you have to shift your role depending if your show your album versus versus when you're obviously collaborating scoring and how do you adjust these roles. When I'm collaborating with other artists working towards a common goal which is a very a very strong a piece of music? And I'm always referring to their better judgement I. I don't even feel any sense of disappointment if I do full orchestral arrangement track it. Send do all the mixing mixing to all the editing send it to the client and then they just delete it they just don't use it working however on film scores. He's a very different process because there are so many cooks in the kitchen. I mean I'm actually involved in a project right now where this is happening. It's wall to wall orchestral music. It's one hundred ten minutes and I think there's probably one hundred minutes of music it can there. Wow it's taken me many months to get it completed right now. I'm really struggling because I've rewritten the opening Q.. I wrote it absolutely perfectly. And they don't like it and and they were wrong. And there's I honestly want to fire the entire world into the sun what you're describing all the the work that goes into scoring a film and you know when it's all completed and you get something like an Academy Award nomination does it actually mean something to you. Did you actually go to the Oscars. I did yeah I went. That was the year that frozen was the big winner and it was. It was pretty thrilling to be honest. Like let it go there. The night that John Travolta mispronounced Dina's name young so but they have these two boxes by the side of the stage So when you're categories to be announced they Move to the nominees over to the box in the laughed and three of the nominees over under the box and the right so and there were six. Lewis is here because remember will and I were both nominated so I guess it was three and three in our box. We're sharing it with Blah here are the nominees for best I original score filming Alexan- display her by William Butler and Owen Pallets Saving Mr Bake spy spy. Thomas Newman the book by John Williams. Gravity by Stephen Price. Everyone knew Stephen was going to win for gravity like Matt scores. It's really fantastic. Stephen so Stephen did win and will and I felt zones as hands on her shoulders and he leaned over and he says so long losers. How do you feel about treating music as as a business? Do you feel like you have to be in service of the consumer. I often talk about the industrialization of one's creative process. And how it's important to do. So if you wish to be a professional national musician you kind of have to let go of and a lot of people. Don't you know you speak to. How many times have I spoken to an artist and pointed out that you know a lyric is is not strong or you know a song should be cut from a record? And they've responded well. This song means a lot to me. This lyric means a lot to me. And I'm like it's not about okay you. You're making music for them. Do you feel that way when you're making your own album that you're not making it for you that you're making it for the people who are listening absolutely. Yeah I mean I am making it to prove something to myself but again I'm a virgo. Criticism is the highest form of love. Really Interesting Theresa. That is is sort of read the stories behind albums. It's always seemed like such a selfish process like the idea of like Alba's confession and like people using it as a kind of diary I I really dislike people Using phrases like confessional or Cathartic to describe songwriting process because I feel it deprives the artist of their agency you know and and historically to these are words that are often times more deployed to describe the work of women and Queer. Where people suggesting that you know? We are so possessed by our need to express her emotions that we aren't capable of creating sustainable sustainable product. Yeah and saleable product and I mean this is just my politics. You could be. Put me in a room with Fiona apple and she'd be like shut the hell up like mine. Music Lake were Tori Amos for example. Because her songs are little girls. You know and I can't relate my songs with these things that I make and I mean I drawn personal experience experience. I do want to elicit emotional response. But ultimately there this is the transaction. Is there a separate thing from you. It's a burger. Made you a Burger and the I just want to end on this. Wow I know dramatic I feel like it ties. Hisen well to what we're just talking about. How do you feel about Christmas albums? is their Christmas album. You actually like I. I I love snowed. In by Hanson Hanson the the brothers. I'm actually not like some sort of twinkie chasing handsome. My case Hey bay still have that kind of got one of them. So what do you like about that record. It's just a really really. It's really joyous and really fun. I listen to it every Christmas but cited to rediscover it. What do you plan to do during the holidays Well every New Year's I have an open house because New Year's Day is the day that you wake up hungover over and there's no food in the house and realize everything is closed so for many years days the day that I've spent the day before cooking food for eighty people so that people can and just come over and hang out sonae their hangovers and drink a black velvet kind of restore themselves back to life. I love that so much. What a great way to start the year well will it kind of came out of? I used to parties on New Year's Eve but then they got the reputation for being where people go to do drugs and CD things other. So I wasn't isn't a participant. Oh so you've rebranded. I rebranded no longer in black magic doing the white magic stuff. Now thank thank you so much for talking to us today to such joy and trim thank you Thomas. It's it's been lovely talking to you absolutely thank you so much. Bye Bye the empowered. He was recorded in the studios in Toronto mm-hmm and you can look out for owens album coming out in the spring and I mean he has such an incredible back catalogue. That is just waiting for you to discover it. Owen is such a true artist artist and it was such an honor that he opened up to us about some of his struggles. If you're struggling with mental health issues you can check out the Canadian Mental Health Association for Great List as the resources and information. Their website is C. M. H. A. Dossier. We will also post the youtube video of Owen. Doing his amazing cover of Mariah. Carey's is fantasy on our facebook group. Obsession what are you obsessed with. What am I obsessed with China? What are you obsessed with? I'm almost embarrassed to admit uh-huh I'm obsessed with but I'm just going to own it. I am obsessed with Gucci's New Twenty Twenty cruise collection commercial. It's just this this insane over the top montage set to Georgio Morodor's midnight express so it's just this like Glitz z eighty s coke Dan where Gucci Mane and Sienna Miller are going to this like Malibu Party. It's just a montage of of lake eighties decadence but to such a glamorous looks looks a little bit you know. Sometimes these party music videos what they wish as a flood exactly. It looks like that. There's still the party. That's very drawn to exaggerated and excessive glamour as toxic as I know it is. I still can't help but feel feel inspired musical genre. Italo disco which I think that that 'cause I watched a clip as well and I think that clipped really embodies that idea of like Italian decadence being so much more over the top that any other form of decadence also really conveys this idea of carelessness. I'm and I'm such a careful person. See people just dive into the fans so you experience Catharsis through definitely the way that I found found my way to this Gucci. Video is because there's a model in it named Benedetta but Sini who we actually got to talk to at the R.. Eddie M Film Festival in Montreal did alive chosen. Family Recording and Benedetta is the subject of her sons documentary which is called the disappearance of my mother. It's all about her early sixties modeling career being on the cover of Italian vogue and being an American vogue and being part of Warhol's factory factories cruise even though she was in the the middle of the craziest time in New York the sixties and early seventies in New York. She was still very much an outsider and looking at this world sort of from the point of view of an observer river. Benedetto's I think seventy seven years old now and still gorgeous and now in her life. She is an activist. Professor who is so. Oh critical of the way that images operate in our culture and Part D'Amato a part time models is still but as a job and it's so funny to watch view spotter in the video radio. She's wearing this like powder pink hat holding the dog. She taps into the roles. And it's so funny because watching the documentary that her son made about her. We know how much she is against capitalism and so to see her just like act this role in Gucci video makes me laugh hysterically. Because I'm like yes BENEDETTA GUCCI MONEY. I'll post the video in the facebook group and you guys can see for yourselves And you'll actually get to hear the audio of the conversation. We had with Benedetta and her son on the next episode. So look out for it. I'm so excited for you to hear it. Thomas what are you obsessed I with Oh my God. I'm obsessed with a very different kind of content. Okay so earlier. This season we spoke to Ryan McConnell creator of Special Ryan lives with Cerebral Palsy Housi- and it really opened the door for me to think about disability. In a way that I haven't really thought before and I'm kind of embarrassed to say but I was like I've never really thought of how our horny people with disability can be. It's like we're all. We're all horny. But I was just like in the processes like trying to find information about the sex life of Queer people who live with disability. I found this incredible content creator. His name is Andrew -gars he. He lives in Toronto. He's consultant by day who consults on a disability sexuality but he also hosts a podcast. It's called Oh disability after dark. It's a really great gase really opens up and like a lot of activists. I find that to make himself heard Ye. He has to go almost over the top in the subject matter that he brings up and the way he says things he he has a wheelchair so he can't really access the queer spaces. Let's say in Toronto where you can go to a club. That's up a flight of stairs or even to a sex ex-club because you can't really get a wheelchair in that environment But he's very very vocal about queer people with disability and how they have a sexuality polity and how they should be seen as objects of desire and the word obsessions is so interesting. Because I don't WanNa Fetish is him right but remember when we spoke to Ryan. He said he he wanted to be objectified. And I can feel that from Andrew Right Egypt released a porn scene. Wow with a porn actor who has twenty six thousand thousand followers on twitter Just an able bodied Hadja I find it interesting. Because in porn the data and numbers probably along with people's desire right right but then how do you change that desire. Educate like is to educate can be and that's the thing is following Andrew over the over the months in what he says in like a lot of people who do this kind of activism say is you have to listen you have to pay attention you have to you have to take it in. And and that's that's what I'm doing and over the weeks in the month I was like it's actually hot. What's his instagram? Where can we find him? It's the Andrew Grzonka G. U. R. Z. A. and his podcast. It's called disability after dark. Chosen family is produced by me trying to winter and me Thomas Leblanc with Crystal Crystal also edits and mixes the show chosen families. Music is by the lost boys the clips you. I heard on today's show. We're from various live concerts recorded by fans of Owen and Selene. Judy Gu's our digital producer. Tanya Springer is the senior producer of podcasts and our F- Noorani is the executive producer. And if you haven't already join our facebook group hanging out there it's so much find. 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September 18: History repeats itself, with her story

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September 18: History repeats itself, with her story

"This is a CBC podcast with breaking news, suspected leader of a capital region chloe's been charged with sex trafficking and forced labor, serious. Awful pain was big, dragged across by body. What happens when someone you know tries to take down a bizarre self help group, which has been a part of for twelve years thinking, how am I going to get out of your like literally wears the back door? How do I scape escaping? Nexium from CBC podcasts, uncover subscribe now at CBC dot CA, slash uncover. Hello, I'm Carol good evening. I'm Jeff Douglas, and this is as it happens. The podcast addition. Tonight. History repeats itself with her story. Allegations of sexual assault have put judge Brett cavernous confirmation to the US supreme court on hold and recalled the nineteen Ninety-one case of Nita hill versus judge. Clarence Thomas griller warfare with the race for the US Senate heating up in Texas Republican income, and Ted Cruz is trying to rake democratic, upstart Beto Rourke over the coals on one surprising issue barbecue at passer, failed fail. The front runner in Quebec's election campaign wants a language and values test for immigrants. Our guest wonders how that would've changed his grandparents lives and his vacuum packed. Japanese billionaire makes a deal to book all the seats on a trip into space, but not everyone is over the moon about his plans for SpaceX is first Taurus flight around the moon diversion. If you've got the stomach. For it and MacGill's new medical museum does along with other body parts and bones for anyone keen to enter the inner sanctum and we're dating ourselves, but we helped others date to turns out back in the nineteen seventies this show actually ran a lonely hearts club. And tonight we'll speak with a listener who got a ring after giving us one as it happens. The Tuesday edition radio that played with matches when it was a kid. The confirmation of judge Brett Cavanaugh is suddenly on hold Christine. Blazey Ford who has accused the judge of sexual assault has been called to the US Senate Judiciary committee. She and the judge who has denied the allegations are both scheduled to testify in Washington on Monday. If it goes forward, the hearing will come almost exactly twenty seven years after Anita, Hill's testimony at supreme court Justice, Clarence Thomas confirmation and that historic hearing will loom large over this one patch Schroeder was among the group of congresswoman who demanded the Senate Judiciary committee here from Nita hill. In nineteen Ninety-one. MS Schroder has since retired from public office, but we reached her in celebration, Florida. This rotor does this feel like a rerun of a neat, a hill story, twenty seven years ago. Well, there's a lot of dejavu in all of this. I must say it seems very similar except because of the Anita hill experience. I think even the senators who are slow learners focus on the fact they better not say she can't even show up, and that's what happened. You had a real struggle to get a need to hill before that Senate Judiciary committee. I mean, so we see that the committee is moving fairly quickly on seeing that Christine Blasi. Ford appears though I know there's still some doubts and some things to work out. How difficult was it to get a neat a hill before that committee where it was almost impossible. You know a group of walkover because every two savelly was always chronic senators had lunch together, and we went over and knocked on the door to protest and say that she should be allowed to testify and we were. Were told they didn't let strangers into the lunch. So we told him we had about fifteen television cameras, following this. If they'd like to explain how we're strangers and the majority leader then said, no, no, come back at two o'clock to my office talk, and he did lean on the chairman who was then Joe Biden and set. You have to let this woman testify Ghaderi open the hearing. So he did, but there were three other women that they didn't listen to and they just absolutely ravaged Anita. Even the ones that I thought were my heroes turned into real chumps except there and let many Republicans just tear apart and you had to keep thinking. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to put this poor woman in front of all these characters. The picture of you in the other women taking this tips of congress to go to that that lent. And explain things is legendary, but what's most interesting is that the the you mentioned how the these senators just excoriated Anita hill. What was derby I understand was that Joe Biden, who is the committee? Chairman wasn't. He didn't take it seriously. I don't think he did and when we confronted him, he was very angry that he had to reopen the hearing. He told us that we didn't understand the rules of the Senate that he had in the gym promise Senator Danforth that he would move this very rapidly. And so that's what he was doing. And we were kind of like you made a promise in the gym to one Chi about putting someone on the bench for a lifetime. I mean, that's really crazy, but that's what he said they did in the Senate when they gave their word the end to stay with it were those who watched at that time in nineteen Ninety-one, and when can never forget seeing how poised and calm Anita hill was as she talked about the things that Clarence Thomas had done that he'd asked her out that he talked about sex at work described pornography had seen about sex with animals and. Rape and the most, the image that no one can ever forget is when he, he accused someone of putting pubic hair on his can of coke. And the whole thing was too so disturbing details. You think if you can't make this stuff up, so what was it that was so discounted about how why did they not believe her? I'm not really sure I know why they didn't believe her. I think maybe you'd have to ask them to me. It was mind boggling. Here was this incredible talented African American woman who grown up in a very conservative home. Her parents income, we're sitting behind her. They've been baptised sitted really straight arrows. And here they are just tearing her apart. I think if I had been an African American, I would really wondered about what kind of Justice there was for African Americans in the Senate. Obviously. Women were wondering the same thing at the time. One of the senators Orrin Hatch said that MS hill needed hill was just confused. You saying it's same senators saying the same thing about Christine blowzy for. So how much has changed in twenty seven years. Well, I'll be Orrin. Hatch is still there, and he's apparently hasn't learned very much, but they also have a president. They've all been following twenty four, seven, and it's a president. Who's response to? What do you do? A woman accuses you something. He says the night and I and I. So that seems to be the mantra of that side of the, I'll in the Senate. On the other hand, there are some that are breaking away and certainly on the democratic side we have, especially to women on the committee that were both prosecutors and my guess is they are really gonna tear into these guys. There isn't going to be silence when they say things like that out loud in a hearing. And what is it going to be like for Christine, Baz afford you? Well, bless her. Heart is gotta be awful. As I say, watching the need a hill. I kept thinking, oh, my maybe we made such. A steak talking her into going forward because they were just brutal. They were absolute rule and she paid for it. I mean, she ended up having to leave Oklahoma, her whole life. She was tainted by that. It was awful. So let's hope that that won't happen. She's very brave. Just finally, if the committee decides that they're going to not consider her testimony or that we find that judge Cavanaugh is approved and what do you make of the idea that perhaps we'll see Clarence Thomas and but Kevin two men, both accused of sexual misconduct sitting in the supreme court of the United States. To me, it's very, very depressing. Obviously, let's hope that does not happen. I think there will be enough doubt hopefully and also the fact that if people start to believe this did happen, which many of us do then his one under oath that never happened, you know, that's also a disqualifier. So there's lots of issues here. We will be watching the shoulder. I really appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you very much, and I hope things are better up north. Schroeder's former democratic congresswoman. We reached her in celebration Florida to see a photograph of Mishra enter fellow congresswoman marching to the Senate on behalf of Anita hill back in nineteen Ninety-one. Check out our website CBC dot CA, slash AH. Immigration is becoming the issue that could make or break the Quebec election for Francois Lygo with less than two weeks ago. Mr. Lagos, upstart cock is out in front, but that has made that party at target for everyone else. Here is liberal leader v quia at last night's English language debate, questioning Mr., Lagos proposal, subject immigrants to values and French language tests. I've never heard leader in Quebec ever recommend not only diminishing the number of immigrants take in, but proposing expulsion tests for. Very, very frightened today. There is proposing. They will submit them to value testing, which nobody knows what it's about and a French test. And I asked him about family, the other, what they will do the dead father flunkies exam. You can tensor liberal leader Philippe. And the cats Francois ago was more than willing to defend his proposal. Our position is clear. What we say is that we better received forty thousand a better integration. And the only thing we say like we have in many European countries have a test of French and a test of values in the first three years. It's reasonable. It's done in other countries expel Mr.. Mr. them saying, we're out if we have that in Europe that was CAC leader. Francois, go be frontrunner in the Quebec, election, Lagos propose tests. Have some people wondering whether he understands what immigrants go through or not, and what they have to contribute Antonio Shasha is a lawyer whose parents came to Canada in the fifties. We reach Mr. Shasha in Montreal. If you had been able to jump on stage last night and talk to these two Vader's, what would you have said basically would have said that it's wrong that it's really too bad that if you're premier would have such a policy, it's really insulting to immigrants. I mean, I look at my own case if policy would have been in effect when my family immigrated to Canada, I would not be speaking to you right now on the phone because my parents did not learn French in the first three years. As a matter of fact, they didn't learn French properly enough to pass a test. You know, after maybe forty fifty years, they were here. So if this year the goal was the premier then of CAC, the party has been in power and in the nineteen fifties, your dad would have been sent home. Absolutely. What would have happened to us. I mean, I was only eleven years old then I would have happened to my other siblings would have happened to my mother. I mean, I, it simply does not make sense. The proof is there. Immigrants have well integrated into this country. We have proved and not only the Tynan community look at all the other communities and the Greek and the Jewish community. They have all integrated. They all speak at least two languages. If not three languages. And I, it simply does not make any sense. And that would have happened to Quebec because these immigrants here referring to so many of them the contribution was huge. And in many respects, I mean, we look at the things that were built. I mean, the the canals, the bridges, the buildings that the construction workers that were Irish and Italian and deliver that Quebec had that needed to build a. Society they wouldn't have had that. So how different do you think comeback would have been? If they were allowing if they were sending immigrants home because they didn't speak French. Woulda been terrible tragedy. We would not have a so well developed country as we have today in all aspects, not only the building of in roads and buildings and train rails, but the cultural diversity that we have in this country. It's a richness. It's a plus for our society is this law had been there. They would not have made that contribution up -solutely not how could they? How would you understanding of this test and how it would actually work? He's saying that the we understand is that after three years of an immigrant arriving, they'll have to take this French test and values test as well. And we don't know what the values are being tested for. And if they fail, they'll be deported what little value tests didn't go too well with the particular qua-. I mean, they didn't get anywhere with that, and I really don't. No, what it means. I mean, if you look at the communities that I've been here for twenty thirty fifty years, they have adopted decay, need values. So how can you say now that you are going to give value tests to the new immigrants coming to this country? When the proof is already there, they have already proved that they integrate very well into the Canadian or bec society. Why do you think that that Mr. logo and the CAC is making this appeal? Why? Why do you think that he, he believes somehow that this is something that could get them elected? Well, I think they're appealing to different effect of the population. Most likely suburban population that is a bit detached from the new immigrant communities that are coming into Quebec in Canada, and I urge them to reassess their thinking about immigrants because immigrants they bring in so much more. When they come to this country, they help the economy the, they contribute to the development of our society. So if it is a political policy, it's not well received by the immigrants. Who have established themselves here. I mean, this is really upsetting this debate about immigrants limiting the numbers and saying that assimilation has failed in Quebec. What what kind of atmosphere is that creating a look at simulation is is not something that immigrants one we want to integrate into society. But at the same time we want to keep our origins, our culture, and that does not prevent the immigrants from Dopp thing. The values of the new society if an immigrants are newcomer to could had just arrived during this election and following this debate, what do you think it's like for them right now? Well, it's troubling to say the least a, they would feel, you know. You know, on certain of the future. It would not. It's not really a way to receive. Newly arrived immigrants. I don't think that would feel very happy. We'll be following this elections to shush. I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you. Tonio. Shush is a lawyer and the head of the Quebec branch of the National Congress of Italian, Canadians, we reach Mr. Shasha in Montreal. There is a wealth of options, tender. Okay. Cupid the ever popular e harmony back in the seventies singles, looking to mingle had fewer options. Thankfully, though because we are always on the cutting edge as it happens, offered the lonely hearts club. Quite frankly, we were surprised as you are on last week we those of us working here now actually had no idea that this segment ever existed on this program, but then listener, Karen, Craig left. This comment on our Facebook page quote, met my husband via as it happens in late nineteen, seventy five. He and a buddy were on one of your lonely hearts, club segments, long story short, we're still together unquote. So to hear the long and short of that story and find out what the AH lonely heart's club was. We called up his Craig. We return Perth on -tario can just take us back to nineteen seventy five. How did you first hear about the as it happens? Lonely heart segments. The mother of a good friend of mine knew that I would point to leave Toronto and she heard the segment and she thought, oh, these guys sound interesting. And so she passed the information on to me and I, I'm a strong believer in fate, and I thought, why not? So so, but, but you didn't listen to as it happens yourself, you heard it. I always listen to as it happens, but I didn't hear that one. So we just learned ourselves because of your your call that we have these classifieds and as it happens all those years ago, what did you learn about how you how you get how you get into the lonely hearts club? I just thought, okay, I liked him right to be fellows and TV to get an address. As I said, I haven't heard them, but you're just like, oh, this is interesting way to get out of the city to all kinds of possibilities so, but it was just your friends who told you about this? Nice sounding bachelor was who is on the radio. That's right. And I trusted her implicitly so well, she wouldn't steer me wrong. Well, now you know what? You've never heard it right. The actual tape message, neither have I. So you know what? I think we should both have a listen to this is able to find it is August fourteenth nineteen seventy-five from our archives. And this is your the original Ed farmers in the valley near McBride. British Columbia are looking for brides, here's Bob crane to tell us about it. I'm one of about twenty men in the McBride BC area that have small farms in the country. Most of us have pained all our goals except to find the proper woman who would enjoy country life and lots of good old fish and hard work. Any ladies between twenty two and thirty with or without children interested in living the good life in the mountains should write to me Bob, Craig Dunster BC and I'll give an extra all the extra replies to the other single men in the valley. Classifieds next week, personally, yours, Mary Cooper. Oh my God. Okay, that's that's your Bob. Yeah, that's that's my mom. And you haven't heard this Bob Craig now, your husband right. Yeah. And you know, married forty one years when you hear that, what what was your reaction. I'm not surprised at all. I guess maybe it was. I was expecting something very similar, not surprised now. He wasn't just advertising for himself, but but whole bunch of men who are looking for. I know there was a few of them. Well, I think at that time, one of the young single women were, if they were growing up there, they were more looking to get out. Doc speak. They wanted to go to the big city, but I was looking offering the good life for for a proper woman ladies between twenty to thirty. I think. I think about to McBride PC Vienna farm now. And so tell us about the courtship. How did did you go out there? Did you talk to him a bit before you did. Talked on the phone if you times and we wrote back and forth a few times and then that Tober Hamilton, the bus. He picked me up on the highway sixteen the dumpster off and I sent ten days there. I thought, okay, this guy's all right and beautiful valley. Absolutely stunning place. So I mean, there was no question about what if anyone would ever wanna live there, that's for sure he had built his own a frame. It was four hundred square foot frame with an outhouse and a hand pump in the kitchen. And the beautiful creek running right by in front of the house, he built bomb. He had few animals and a cat and chickens. And I thought, boy, this is pretty nice here. So in the end of March of so many six, those there you're twenty six at that time, right? Yeah. Yeah. And what what did your friends and your family? Think when you said that you were going to go away to BC live on a farm where you had at a pump a hand pump in inside and out house and that you were going to go and get hitched to this guy, you'd heard on the radio. I mean, what did they say. Yet we here because you know, we had to make sure that we're gonna work at well together, but my friends were excited for me. I worked at eight p studio and wanted to talk since I worked with and think I would last so many lie to them. And I made up a story from my parents. I didn't wanna freak them out. What did you tell a couple of my cousins. Oh, said I'd met this spell on. I was just gonna go out and see what the west is like. I didn't tell them how that him. So that was the only part that wasn't true. So I think maybe I just told him I'd met him through friends. Well, I guess I sort of did. Yeah, yeah. And so I mean that we're talking forty three years later. We can get the truth out, right? Oh, I didn't. I mean, they obviously they were filled in not long after. And then every once in a while. You know, perhaps people we need or. So how'd you how'd you to meet comes up conversations at times? Well. And then Bob, let's tell the story and how does it what's the story you tell what's your your shorthand version of all this. Just, you know, he meant true as happened. Basically, and most people think of anyone that has gone crazy. It was all that's pretty cool. It is pretty cool and for us to. The computer dating, I guess, but more face to face on that. I mean, the clip you heard from Bob back there, nineteen seventy five talking about looking for a proper woman looking for ladies to live the good life. If you've heard that today, would you would you drop everything and run out and get married to Bob. Well, I already have. Still look for you. Yeah. Oh, and flow. I mean, in hindsight, I learned so many skills and did so many cool things and had two wonderful kids. And now three, wonderful grandkids. Of course, I would. And without as it happens, you wouldn't have met Bob and none of this would've happened. That's right. Well, we wouldn't be talking. We are indeed honored here at as it happens, and it's just, I'm so glad you called and told about, we never would have known about this, but it it really is fun. And and I hope you have many, many more happier together with your husband in his kids. Thank you so much for digging up the original clip. It's pleasurable Sundays. You got a copy of it. Thank you very much. Thanks, Karen. Take care. You too. You too. Keren Craig met her husband, Bob, Craig through the as it happens, lonely hearts club back in nineteen seventy five. We reached MS Craig and Perth on tarot. And if you'd like to listen to that interview again or share it is on our website CBC dot CA slash AI h. and while you're there, if you could help us out, that'd be great. As we Mark as it happens, fiftieth anniversary we want to share more of your stories. Maybe it didn't meet your partner through as it happens. But if you've ever heard anything on as it happens that has spurred you to action or somehow change the course of your life or even your evening, we'd like to hear about it where on Twitter and Facebook, both those account CBC as it happens. Our Email AIH at CBC dot CA and calling his best four one six zero five fifty-six eighty-seven. The Senate race in Texas between incumbent Ted Cruz and his democrat opponent Beto Aurore was already heated so to speak earlier this week, however, Senator Cruz turned it up a notch by suggesting that his opponent would ban barbecue. Those are fighting words in the state where everything is bigger because there aren't many things Texans love more than barbecue. Now, of course, Mr. Aurore has no plans to mess with anyone's grilling, but Senator Cruz couldn't resist the opportunity when pita activists served up barbecue tofu in front of one of his town halls. Jonathan Tyler of is the chief political writer at the Austin American statesman. We reached him in Austin. Jonathan, why would Ted Cruz play the barbecue card? I mean, what does it come to. Oh, no, that day the barbecue card makes perfect sense. Anytime you can in Texas, align yourself in any way with barbecue, and especially if you're able to somehow convince Texans at the man when your gun against you is somehow an enemy barbecue or not not going to protect barbecues. That's it's a, it's a golden ticket. This was kind of a stretch, but you know, I think he, he got his point across using humor with a with the purpose. Does anyone actually believe in Texas that better Iraq would ban barbecues. I don't think so. But whenever knows, and I think the point here is that by saying something a little bit outlandish a lot outlandish with humor, it gives crews a certain deniability at the same time he's able to tweet that, you know, if you, if you don't elect me, barbecue will be endanger and I think that plant the seed. I mean, his whole purpose here is to indicate that he even though as you well know, he's originally from Canada is a real Texan in the race and that that will work well. An attractive candidate doesn't really understand Texas values, whether it's the importance of a strong border or of gun ownership or of capitalism, or of real meat barbecue as opposed to tofu barbecue. So it's it's a tough straw, man, but I think it's an effective way to communicate something. Even if it's not literally true. Can you give us. Give us the background is to why this? Why tofu gate entered this race. I don't know if it's too proportions yet, but the reason it happened was we go Saturday and appearance in outside Houston. Crew said that there's outside money pouring into California to help elect better work into bring California values to Texas and he ticked off tofu. Silicon, don't even silicone and dyed hair and subsequently a week later you die. Was this past Saturday? He was at a restaurant which didn't serve tofu, but there were some demonstrators four of them from the people for the ethical treatment of animals who were there with signed suggesting that Tofa was bipartisan, Republicans eat tofu to offering free samples of barbecue tofu it. They were very pleasant. They were smiling. They were not hostile at all, but crews took advantage of it to open up his remarks before this. You know, intense crowd of supporters by suggesting. That you know, Peter was out there threatening, you know, the future of meat barbecue and that if elected that they they were risking the Texans and national food. And so you know, and he obviously liked the line. I'm gonna. Got good response. And then he tweeted subsequently something suggesting that, yes, in fact, democratic victory would imperil barbecue. Obviously not true, but not necessarily ineffective. How desperate is Mr. coups this point that he would play the barbecue card. I don't think this is necessarily desperation. I think this is he's looking for every every cultural wedge he can find between him and a Rourke. And I think you know, there's much made of the fact that this is a truly competitive Senate race and that you know, or a very kind of ingratiating character and. Cruises, both reputation as less ingratiating, but and new poll today showed him Clinton polish crews up by nine points which was more than two or three points previous polls show, but it's because they're looking at the likely turn out and not all registered voters. So I think he's still fairly confident, but you know, he's not one to leave any stone unturned. And I think anything that just kind of paints opponent as an alien figure in Texas. Cultural norms is is useful to him and has Beto O'Rourke played the Canada card against Ted Cruz. I mean, if it's offensively and and genuineness in Texas, how does that play? Well, I think you know, he hasn't and he's he rarely ever mentioned cruise. He rarely ever mentioned Trump his his persona. His approach is to be the person who's going to tone down the rhetoric who's going to appeal. Across party lines. He famously went across country a road trip with a Republican member of congress, and my stream the whole thing, which is sort of how he broke through to kind of national audience and indicated that he could be on camera for long stretches and be an attractive person to watch. So I think that, no, he's he's not rising that they they, they will have three debates beginning Friday. It's going to be harder to avoid direct engagement, but his whole thing is a, I'm not about conflict. I'm about trying to listen to everybody. He's going to all two and fifty four counties in Texas with an I. I try to beat people who've never met a democrat or certainly not a democratic candidate before. All right. Well, we'll be watching to see how our our Canadian candidate does. Contents Jonathan's are people there. Swelling with bride? Yeah. There's barbecues very big here. Okay. They appreciate his his efforts to keep it from becoming an issue in Canada, very much, so very important to spend up China's Hanks. Thanks a lot. Jonathan Tyler is chief political writer at the Austin American statesman. We reached him in Austin, and as Carol mentioned, of course, Ted Cruz was born in Calgary city where barbecue is nearly as sacrosanct as it is in Texas. Perhaps more definitely more. Bryan Adams rocked parliamentary today. And if you think rock TIs too strong a word for the Canadian singer songwriter, then you're going to have to explain yourself to the members of house of Commons heritage committee. Question after question came with preambles about concerts tended and minds blown by his powerful music. Mr Adams, however, did not let that stop him from delivering a serious message. He wants Canada's copyright law changed to limit publishers control over and artists work. At this point, publishers retained the rights for twenty five years after the artist is dead. Mr Adams wants artists to be able to regain control twenty five years after they, I signed the rights over here is some of what he had to say. I mean, when I, when I discovered that this was in existence, I was a little bit puzzled. I couldn't understand why this would why anyone would even want to create something that was so difficult for Fung writers and composers authors. Why would you wanna limit their creativity on any level? You know, it's important that that everybody understands that in some cases, some people may only create. One or two things in their lives. They my right catcher in the rye, and that's the only thing they ever do in their whole lives, but it's such an influential and powerful piece influencing so many other people in other writers and inspiring people that it's important that their control of it is is in their destiny. Eventually. I mean, when you when you signed something over as a young writer, like myself when I was sixteen or fifteen, when I signed my first songs over to another publisher, you know, I was just happy to pay my rent. That's it. You know, some people say to me, what is the single most exciting thing that have happened in your career? I can. I can tell you the day that I could pay my rent. I was grateful. I still am. In fact, when I signed my first contract, it was for one dollar because legally in in Canada to make a contract happen, you have to have a dollar and after a couple of years, I said to the president of the record company, I said, you know, my signed that contract for one dollar. Univer sent it. He said, I'll send it and I've got it on my wall. I've got the one dollar check. But I mean, that's what it comes down to line for pittance in the beginning. If you're lucky, if you have a few have a machine behind you, you can. You can create a lot of interest in and yes, social media's very big aspect for these days, but there's no guarantees and there's no guarantees in the long term, how long you're going to be there. I've, I've really blessed career and I thank you know the Canadian public for that, but I'm one of the lucky I'm one of the few and one of the few. And so I'm I'm here without asking any of my colleagues in the business to what their opinions are on this. I've, I've come up here in my own to to say, I think we can do better in Canada. Bryan Adams appearing before the house of Commons heritage committee today. Last night at SpaceX headquarters, Japanese billionaire USA, Kumai Zaghawa made an announcement. Finally, I can say, I can tell you that. I. Mr. Mazzola shared his plans to purchase all the seats on space Xs first tourist flight around the moon and his hope to take artists along with him. Christian Davenport was following yesterday's event, and he has some questions about just how practical this plan is. Mr. Devonport is with the Washington Post. He is the author of the space barons, Ilan musk, Jeff Bezos, and the quest to colonize the 'cause Mus. We reached Christian Davenport in Washington DC. Kristen, we deserted bit of misdemeanors. Our and his excitement in that clip. What more did he say about his trip? Well, he wants to go to the moon, not just by himself, but to bring a six to eight artists along with them in the idea is that a space trip, a lunar orbit trip. He wants to inspire them and to inspire their works. And he said, you know, during this press conference with Elon Musk. We said, imagine if Picasso or Andy Warhol or any of these great artists had been to space how that could have informed and influenced their art and their creative juices. So that's what he wants to do. Mr.. Musk, musk said that Mr. Mayes Iowa had made a quote, significant deposit on his trip. Do you have any idea how much is going to cost? We don't know how much it'll cost. They haven't said, I mean, but I think it's fair to estimate this at tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in particular, he's paying for the entire spacecraft and having you know, eight people on it. I mean, this could be a significant investment is about who you second Mizao is because he's a self made man, Japanese billionaire known as a former punk rocker. How did he make his money? He made his money, you know, by creating an online retail label and fashion label of his own. He's an art collector, who's made a splash actually collecting several high pro. File pieces of art, including paying hundred ten million dollars for a bus Kiat painting in clearly. I mean, you can see this as passionate about space. This demise, Iowa has said that he will be making this trip probably in the twenty twenty three, which is not very long from now. So is that possible? Perhaps? I mean, we don't know, but as soon as you saw who said that you sort of said, well, let's, you know, let's hold a minute here. I mean, we always set these goals and we set the goals on purpose because it's an aspirational, but then they always collide head first with reality, and it's never as easy as it seems initially. And he's aware of that and he's faces repeated delays with so many of his projects. And I think it's very likely that this would be delayed as well, and they're not going to be able to make twenty twenty three. Maybe you know, delayed quite a bit. I mean, let's not forget. This is a rocket that doesn't yet exist. We're not sure how much would even cost to develop the rocket. It's not. We're not sure where the money would even come from. Some, you know, however significant this investment is from, you know, Japanese billionaire certainly not going to cover the cost of the development of this entire rocket which Ilan talked about could be in the range of five billion dollars, but it's not clear where that's that's gonna come from. And he also was quite Franken thing that even if they are able to get the money, that's unclear that they could actually it's so advanced and so difficult that they could ever get it off the pet. I mean, he said he would do everything in his power to ensure that it would be successful and safe. But you know, right now there are no guarantees, and then there's the whole pioneering idea of going around the moon with avenge of civilians and this, and that could be dangerous kind of travel insurance. You get for something like this, right? I mean, it's all impressive at unchartered territory. I mean, this is would be essentially, you know, the Apollo eight mission where you go on a trip around the moon, you know, and they acknowledged it would be incredibly day. Dangerous. And you know, let's not forget that for all of the triumphs that Ulin Musk's SpaceX have had. They have not yet to this day, flown a single astronaut, even just to earth orbit, let alone doing an orbit of the moon. So this seems like a significant step ahead. It's incredibly ambitious. It's very dangerous and you know, on praised, you know, this crew should be able to get them as being incredibly brave and adventurous, you know, but it's not clear how many people who get who be willing to sign up to go along with it. And what about this being a bit of a distraction away from Ilan Musk's many problems at this point. I mean, he's being sued by that cave diver, British cave diver, who from who did the rescue in Thailand for his remarks as being investigated by the department of Justice is this distraction. So that's right. I mean, all of this is happening against that backdrop. I mean, that's sort of this chaotic summer that he'll enough. 'cause had. Particularly with Tessa with all the things you just mentioned. And you know, you sort of have to wonder how he's able to focus on something like like this now. That's it. I think for him, basics has been sort of an oasis of calm. You know, compared to tesla which is just been so tumultuous and so chaotic and it allows him, you know, to distract himself that to sort of look beyond all of the problems and the investigations that are willing around him on earth today to look into the future. You know what you said. He can't wait, and he was super fired up and you got no hint, there was no talk of any of this, the Tomo and problems. You know that are swirling around him. It was all looking toward this romantic vision of the future that he has. But you know, back here on reality, you know, on earth reality is gonna hit them the ultimate escape fantasy. Yeah, right. I mean, you know, and you tweeting out these pictures today that are, you know, gorgeous, beautiful rocket. You know, in orbit with the earth behind it and a ballerina floating through space playing violin. I mean, it's, you know, it all seems a little bit science fiction, but that's sort of what everyone has said about Ilan must from the beginning. I mean, SpaceX itself is an improbable story. I mean, it was never supposed to be successful and yet he was, I mean, this sort of somewhat eccentric South African technology. Billionaire couldn't start a rocket company. They said, but he did not only did he do it. He was successful. So sometimes you, you can't count on Moscow, but you do wanna look at this, you know, with some level of skepticism as well. Well, Kristen, thank you. Thank you. Author and Washington Post writer, Christian Davenport, we reached him in Washington DC. Alice Watson emailed us to say, I was completely beguiled by the beauty of this song as beautiful as a painting that causes wonder or touching novel Lorna bar chart wrote quote, what is the name of that beautiful song and singer that I just heard. I have to buy it and Joe raider said, it was incredible. I need to hear more and if you were listening to as it happens on Friday evening, you probably felt the same way Jeremy. Dutcher does tend to stop you in your tracks. His album will ask toy eagle into gun away has a pretty fascinating origin story five years ago, an elder in his community sent him to an archive of wax cylinders from the turn of the century recordings of his ancestors singing in the Woolas tug way language. Mr. Dutcher then made an album based around those recordings in which his singing is in haunting and breathtaking. Log with those voices. It is an amazing story. But those listeners had a visceral response to the music itself. And so did the judges at the twenty eighteen players music prize, which Jeremy Dutcher. One last night here is part of his victory speech. Music is changing this land. And what you see on this station. This is the future. This is what's to come. I was going off script there for a minute. But now I feel really. Really bad. You know, it doesn't matter. This is the greatest moment of my life. Twenty seven year old Jeremy Dutcher after he won the two thousand eighteen Polaris music prize last night. Thousands of people are displaced and the floodwaters continued to spread the storm is over, but for residents of North Carolina, the consequences of hurricane Florence are not in the rear view mirror yet over the past few days, we have been telling you about the immediate impact of the storm on those in its path, but some environmental advocates are warning of the longer term effects on the water system, toxic residue from coal ash stored it energy plants as well as masses of waste produced by hog and poultry farms have been swept up by those floodwaters the risk to the environment and public health they say is an inevitability Kemp Burr debt is with the advocacy group. Cape fear river watch. We reached him in Wilmington, North Carolina. This debris data understand if you as ago you into investigate for yourself around lake Sutton. What did you see. I saw what appeared to be what was to breaches in the Sutton, power plants, coal, ash landfill site. Then moving coalesce from unlined hits right next, like into a lined coal landfill facility. They're in the process of constructing that, and there were two enormous reaches that were discharging huge amounts of water say, why do you this water from this coal? Ash done? What is coal? Ash? And Why's it so dangerous? Well, what's leftover after you burn coal to generate electricity? And it kinda concentrates the heavy metals that are found in coal and coal is has high levels of pretty toxic, heavy metals, like arsenic and chromium vanadium, selenium, boron, manganese iron. The kinds of things that could very easily contaminate surface water and especially. Around war, Duke Energy. That's the company that that has these sites. What are they saying? Confirm the some of the still reach Sutton like which is problematic. They have downplayed the significance. The company released a statement on Saturday evening. I didn't get to the side until daylight the next morning, and the facility was still pouring wastewater from this confinement area. And so the estimate of of how much coal ashville was given the night before and they haven't revised it. That's when I get to another area that understand is also it's been reported in in recent days even before the rain star default, that people are very concerned about runoff, Haag and poultry farms that are in the area that there are some pretty big discharge lagoons of waste material, what what's happening, they're able to investigate if any of that stuff is getting into. The water system. This is a huge concern. I think the greatest concern I have about the storm, all of the rivers in my base and all of the sub basins are experiencing historic floods floods higher than we've ever seen in order history. And these are the areas where there are more concentrated animal, feeding operations, more factory farms, more hog farms than any other place on earth. And so there's going to be an enormous impact their these. These open SIS pools of swine feces, and urine are going to be inundated by floodwaters. The flood waters may call some of these lagoons as they're followed to breach completely. My colleagues have already photographed examples of this. I'll be flying tomorrow and fully expect to see numerous examples waters continue to rise. They'll be rising for another day or two, and then they will stay up at record levels for five or more to. Yeah. After hurricane Floyd back in ninety nine. These hog lagoons just waste Stacy's were supposed to be better controlled, and there were restrictions put in place, but I understand in recent years, a lot of those restrictions have been loosened again. Is that right? Following Floyd there was a recognition that we had to do something about off arms, and there was a moratorium on future hog farms. Now we already had more than anyplace else in the world. So maybe a little too little too late. But what we've seen recently in North Carolina over the last five to ten years has been an explosion of poultry farming, and so it's the same. It's it's huge numbers of animals. Some of these barns hold thirty thousand chickens and some farms have ten, twelve, fourteen sixteen Barnes each with thirty thousand thirds. And so they're generating enormous amounts of waste tiled into huge house size piles and sometimes under sheds. But regardless when you have a flood of this magnitude, all of that waste is going to be washed into strange. Anything in the flooding will be washed industry and and let will create what what are the consequences? So there's ten million hogs and North Carolina each. Of I ninety five east of interstate ninety five. So that's about the eastern third of the state. That's the same number of people that we have in North Carolina, but he's much more ways that humans much of that waste is going to be introduced into waterways that flows through communities downstream. So as rivers come up, they thought everything. They don't just flip the farms, homes, churches, schools, they flood entire communities and those floodwaters are going to carry some some terrible, nasty things that you find all untreated families and people are going to suffer because but the the same time, the Environmental Protection Agency has relaxed. Some of the restrictions. If if I might that they Trump administration has moved to take down some of the federal regulations on both that those those coal ash ponds and waste lagoons what what responsibility will these companies have to bear for what's happening to the environment? Well, you're right there have been efforts at the federal. Oh, to to reduce environmental regulations, and it's kind of the wild west and North Carolina's far as poultry goes, we're seeing new barnesville everyday because they're so few regulations that actually control. And I think this is going to be an epic disaster and and it is probably going to be a real. I open before North Carolina. And what kind of risk these facilities post of the people all over the state. And is it any way to tie do mitigate some of it now? Is there any way to contain any of this flow of waste into the water systems? At this point, there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do. There is no way to stop the disaster that's unfolding right now. Carolina. The waste is already there. The flood waters are coming up and the communities are already downstream. So there's nothing we can do this time. We can only hope to take action in the future that prevents this from happening again. Right. They're just bearing this. Appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you for having Kemper debt is with the environmental advocacy group. Cape fear river watch. We reached him in Wilmington, North Carolina. It was a failure that had consequences around the world. The biggest bankruptcy filing in the history of the United States almost exactly ten years ago, September fifteenth of two thousand eight. The US investment Bank Leman brothers collapsed. Lynn gray was an employee at Leman brothers and on the one year anniversary of the bankruptcy filing. She spoke with Carol on this program. MS grey remembered the day before it happened. She was called into work by a manager on a Sunday it. My role is chief administrative up for the business. I kept the quiet list on my computer and he called me and start making copies because if we were so either Bank of America or Barclays, we had a lot of partnerships that we needed to to notify and, and you know, this is very proprietary information, so wasn't easily accessible. I guess about the fifth copy in walk their senior managers, and what are you doing here? Sunday. And he said, there's no deal. And I said, what do you mean? There's no deal. He said there's no deal, and if they don't resurrect something they're gonna file for bankruptcy, I couldn't believe it. It just was. You know, just like something that we just never imagined that leaving brothers would disappear even now you sound shaking. I am. We were saying that this morning, you know, and all over town in New York. There were a reunion party tonight with leeann people who want to be together today, and so so you know, I basically didn't want to do. We're sorta hanging around hoping that we'd get, you know, these guys would get called back down down and they didn't. The next morning. When did you? Well, we actually got an Email at twelve. Oh nine in the morning. And when I got the Email, I was watching CNBC all night in watching people who I knew coming out of the building, there were emails going around, what should we do? Should we go there? Because people were afraid that if there was a bankruptcy, they'd get a lot of building and I had more confidence in the system than that. So I basically stayed home and then didn't sleep very much and and twelve. Nine. We got an Email that the firm was going to bankruptcy, but that we should come into work the next day unless told otherwise it was dark out when I got got to the building the next morning and I stopped at coffee bender and he asked me how you doing. And I lost it. Just total total sadness decry. I did not a coffee vendor. Yeah, I cried. I had given them twenty dollars and told him just to keep the change because I knew he's certainly needed the money. Have been one of the vendors just around the building then took that all the business? Yes. And I was walking towards the building and a woman who I did not know that. Oh, another Lima night, and I said, some crying ready grabbed her. We hugged each other. We're both crawling and locked on and went into the building together. But it was. It was very, very rough day that was Lynn gray in conversation with Carol back in two thousand nine, exactly. One year after Leman brothers filed for bankruptcy. She was a senior vice president at the company. There is a new museum opening at McGill University that may not be for the faint of heart or for those who faint at the sight of hearts. The Maude Abbott medical museum brings together everything from human organs to skeletons to medical memorabilia and beginning next week, it will be open to not just medical students medical professionals, but to the general public as well. Dr. Richard Fraser is a pathologist at McGill University health centre. He helped bring the museum to life. We reach Dr Fraser in Montreal deta phaser. What kinds of human body parts will people be able to see at this museum? Well, we have of virtually everything you can think of virtually every organ of the body as well as many bones from skeleton, how will you display them? Two ways. One is in in cabinets, will it and with labels so that people can. In view them properly and see what they are. And then Secondly, we also have a number of tablets in which we have illustrations of the specimens, and we talk a little bit more about them and put them in the context of history where they came from, get into that that just a bit about the specimens, you call them what? What exactly what are some of the ones that you think the public will be most interested in? Well, we have a lot of material that relates to disease, which is common enough that people will know what it is. For example, there are some brains in which people have fallen previously and developed hemorrhage blood that compress the brain and and cause death. Perhaps even more coming would be the heart that you might see a heart attack. People will maybe read about things like that, and maybe even seen pictures of it, but to see the. Actual three dimensional structure. If you want that demonstrates what happens, I think has meaning certainly for for students and also for the public who will have come across some of these melodies you acquire them. What did they come from? Well, they all come from individuals who attended hospitals in Montreal, mostly in the McGill system of hospitals and during the time when they were acquired, it was another era. It was the more the paternalistic if you want to call it that era of medicine when consent for high performing certain procedures as well as for querying Oregon's at surgery. For example, if an organ was taken in the operating room or after death, such consent was not always giving we now and for many, many years, in fact, for over fifty years, have not taken material. Like this because we would specifically ask consent of the patient for use of it and we just don't do it anymore. It's one of the reasons why the material that we have at McGill, his valuable innocence. It's the kind of thing that would never be collected or acquired again, and the way we've approached it is to say that the people who gave if you want the material at the time without their knowledge, if you ask people now if they would be willing to give material for educational or other purposes, the vast majority of people. If you explain why will agree to it and all the, we don't have that information from the previous people. This -ly we work on the assumption that the majority would be willing to do that. This museum come aboard. The name is the mod Abbott medical museum. What's the story behind this story? Is that. Begin probably in the eighteen twenties just at the time, the McGill University was being formed and it began because the four founders of makeover, physicians who founded basically the medical school and wanted to teach and at the time, medical museums were considered to be very important part of student teaching. So they began by collecting various organs and bones that they got from their patients and over the years that developed into a museum. And this was a common thing most medical stools at the time developed museums such as this four student teaching and around nineteen twenty nineteen thirty. Their uses and value started to decrease. And there were other ways if teachings that were starting to be developed. Mod Abbott habit was a young woman when she took over the control of the museum that was eighteen ninety eight and she was remarkable woman. She was one of the first women to graduate from the university in arts and went on to become a physician, although she couldn't do it at McGill at the time. She did it at bishop's, but she went onto to take over the curator ship of the museum for about twenty five years from about eighteen ninety eight to mid nineteen twenties, and she developed it into one of the premier medical museums in North America. Now, the original purpose of this is a teaching. Why open to the general public? I mean, is it all concerns this people just have a kind of morbid fascination with it, so do do you really see this as some something of value b. Donned that. Yeah, I do. I do. I'll tell you there several reasons for for it. I'm I understand what you mean by morbid fascination and you never know. There may be some people who have that feeling. We treat everything that we have here with the utmost respect, and we see it as if you wanna giving knowledge that almost sounds too high falutin if you want, but that's really what we see it as. And I think for people to actually learn about disease, which is one of the things that we can teach them about, and to some extent come a little closer to to death and what death is is not something that everyone comes across as a young person, and I think it worthwhile for for people to somehow know a little bit about this confronted, and that's one of the things we can do in here. Thank you. You're welcome. Dr. Richard Fraser is a pathologist at the McGill University health centre. We reached him in Montreal. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on TV radio one and Sirius XM, even listen to the whole show on the web. Just go to CBC dot CA, slash AH, and follow the links to our online archive. Thanks for listening. 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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 126: Houston We Have Tame Thoughts on Bubba

GSMC Music Podcast

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 126: Houston We Have Tame Thoughts on Bubba

"I want to know the latest and hottest music hitting the airwaves dealer. Be Left out listened to the Golden State media concepts music podcasts. Issue on the loop with everything you need to know from pop rock hip top flooring and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates ed so much more listener further because this is the gold. Standard in music podcasts Hello guest brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Keith. Also I am also your host Cynthia. I am both Keith instant. Then Cynthia Hi everybody happy. What is it Wednesday? Yes but what are? They're not listening to it on Wednesday. Will you better be listening to it when it drops on Wednesday today right? Whatever time this week has felt like it's dragged on like for For a long time. I don't know why I've had. I've had lots of coffee this morning. And I I don't know I feel like I feel also the reason why my week felt so long as because I didn't really have a weekend like I've worked every day since last Wednesday. Actually so I just feel like my week has been dragging on like little by little. Oh well we're not. I haven't been working crazy hours but just work today. Yeah a little bit in the morning but I work from home this morning but still it's just I don't know it feels like my week has been dragging but nonetheless. I'm here yes. We're so glad you're here. Are you really that? I didn't seem like you were you. Don't sit the your co host budget. Here thanks thanks. Yeah you missed me but I did want to do nothing words in my mouth that I say that I missed now I just said I. It's nice to work with you. That is all these. Do not put any other implications steam. I so last week we talked about lovers and friends fast and I waited. Presell went on Thursday and I am. I was on my computer I am. I was in that line. And you don't have to wait like when you are waiting in line for your coachella festival ticket and you see the Little Man. Running mine took so long but I was able to get my ticket my friend and I signed. What's Yes i? It's real disappointed. I wanted to not be real. I wanted it to be a joke. I wanted it so badly. I didn't want you actually lose money. Like he wanted to get any no. No I didn't want anyone to get scammed. Getting scammed. No not getting scammed implies losing money. I wanted it to be a joke. I wanted them to like make everybody wait in line to buy sales and be like oh by the way. This is actually really happening. Heart got a lot of people were upset because I mean I like I said I was in line. Probably like nine thirty. I was at my computer out on the site and everything and some people were on the site at nine. Am and said that they waited. Forty minutes WANNA hit to like by ten forty. They were still in line. And once they got to the page everything was sold out the presale so was sold out but they then the tickets went live again the following day Friday morning. But obviously that's the general public and tickets are going to be more expensive but a lot of people are upset saying how is it that? I was on my computer at nine. Am and I waited over forty minutes past ten and I still didn't ticket so and I was kind of confused too because like I said I logged on at nine thirty. My friend was driving pulled over. She logged on like at nine fifty five and she actually got her ticket before me. So I'm not really sure I'm not really sure like I don't know there's a difference between have you tried to go on your lot or the giant the paying on the website from the IP address the closer to ten o'clock it was like it moved. Them may be right. They were in the queue sooner rather than later like it's not like you ordered people on the website cue from when they arrived there In length of time they ordered it in like at what time in the different orders for the first person who was there was the last person in the queue. Perhap- halley makes sense. Because I I. She talks to me she got. She waited in line like twenty minutes. I waited in thirty and she guard ticket before what? I've been waiting here but that actually can make sense but you know how like nerve wracking. It is just seeing that man. The little guy running and I'm just like hurry up like I WANNA get my ticket. But I've never had to purchase tickets for something that was so popular at sold out in day. Coachella I don't even bother buying. How did you go with that one year? The year that I went was the first year that they did two weekends and neither weekend sold out. L. Really Yeah I. We didn't have to it in. I honestly like if I can help it. I would never go to hold up. Show my life really why I mean sold out implies a lot of people a lot of people. I don't like a lot of people. Yeah I mean but I am super excited and I know it's like one hundred percent. Confirm this is real. This is not. I'm not going to get you know. This isn't another fire festival and if it is well you can catch me in the next. Netflix documentary lovers and friends being scam but no. I'm actually really excited. I haven't been to a festival in about three years and I. I'm actually a fan of this festival over coachella because it's not as I mean it's a first ever doing it. This is definitely more my styles music. There isn't going to be compared to the size of Coachella. This is a relatively smaller festival. But it's not going to be that. I think the venue is a state schools like field because when I searched it. Have you heard of CAL? State Dominguez Hills and Alaria. No I have not that. Tell tiny the like state school. It's a pretty small state school here in California and it's like looks like it's in a field like a baseball field kind of because I don't know that's where my map pointing me to. I could be wrong so but I'm really excited and I can't wait to talk about it in May and to tell you my experience and if I got scammed if people actually showed up to their sides but people will I mean. Megan US dallying confirmed Usher like I said all these people like posted on their stories saying that they will be there. So I tell you because I didn't know if like you just wanted to rub it in my face. I did this giant smug right now. I know because I was like. I don't know I was running a risk. But you gotta risky for the biscuits sometimes. Yeah I mean at least based on the number of people who are actually like. I don't know promoting it and the type of people that they are like. There's no way that they'd be able to escape after taking a bunch of people's money you know so it had to be legit in some sense or they'd have to give people their money back are maybe this is made up the list and then they saw people buying like. Oh wait now. We actually have to book. These people. Think let's contact their management management. So yeah that's possible to lovers and friends fast will be. There will be an update from me and may so tuned for that. There won't be from me. I'm not going no but you'll be here to listen and maybe laugh with me and cry with me if I did get scammed. You're like I'm not cry. You're going to be laughing at me. I would not let me okay. So moving onto something. What's what's what's the things that we wanted to talk about today. What's our what's our juicy gossip juicy gossip our music news today. So have you guys haven't heard the are now releasing or they have started the Whitney Houston Hologram tour. Which is titled An Evening? With Whitney the Whitney Houston Hologram tour. Which is set actually already started yesterday. The twenty six a happened yesterday. The First Day of tour February twenty fifth all the way through April third of this year. And the should've caught at the Whitney Houston gram tour. He's thin Graham but people aren't as clever With titles like you are like so. I have a lot of interesting points to bring about the situation which we'll get into in just a few short months by this tour was created in partnership with The singer estate by base Hologram and base Hologram has a proven track record of bringing legacy acts back to life through digital appearances with successful concert. Tours of Roy orbison which I think they're like they were rockstars. Buddy Holly and then Opera Diva Maria and this tour will feature digital pretty much the same thing like what they did with to park Shell of years back when the dog to they did. It's now yeah so base Hologram will be featuring a digital reincarnation of Houston and a live Broadway performance with dancers and live. Musicians will also be part of the show and her her holographic. I guess is a d'appel Ginga Right. That's recalling it Which if you haven't seen if you google it it's Kinda creepy because it looks so real like when I think of Hologram. I literally think of like raise shooting down at the center stage. And like I don't know I didn't think like holographic images were that advanced because it's actually pretty chilling. How Realistic Whitney Houston looked from the first night of her tour which again happened yesterday. She was stunning. It was interesting. I haven't seen it at all but I didn't see the show. I just felt like pictures of and some of the songs that her holographic I guess. Yeah d'appel Ganger is going to be singing some of our best friends quotations right really playing vocal track right. Yeah that's played along with accompaniment so if you go to her concert you can expect to hear. I will always love you. How will I know? Greatest love of all. And I WANNA dance with somebody with somebody I didn't know Whitney Houston. Did I WANNA DANCE WITH SOMEBODY? Yeah I love that. I know it is and so the first show premiered last night. twenty-seven shows are expected to happen throughout. Europe. The very first one happened in England and reviews some of the critics who The music critics who attended the show. Some were positive somewhere negative Some of the fans reactions were not as positive as I would have expected. Because when I think of Whitney Houston I assume that many people were fans of her music and yeah I mean like I said her legacy lives on in her music will always love on. But there's a reason why so many people were I guess weirded out by this whole situation so when you came music critic suggested that the show was quoted as I quote crass exploitation and just like horror films. He says bringing the dead back to life never works. It's probably best to let sleeping stars. Lie I mean so this canary. Okay show me also Whitney Houston's she does not have a say is done with her in lane. So that's a longer her and electrical properties somebody else's satire. Lotta people kind of feel like this is almost a money grab from base. Hologram and her estate because so then don't buy the tickets if people want to buy the tickets that's their own prerogative. I don't understand what the problem is here. Her tour is set to come to North America in fall of twenty twenty. So I don't know how well this Holographic tour will be received here because it is like a new wave happening right now like all these like Hologram tours shred so it's kind of weird. I mean also heard. Death hasn't been that long ago either. That hasn't been that long so that's why they did one with Amy Wine House. Like just seems a little weird so it's just like brings a lot of questions of ethics are coming up like. Is this right how we just discuss like is it. Okay for deceased artists to perform like. Who's calling the shots? And like I said we have to consider too that when Houston. She hasn't passed that long ago. So it's like I feel especially for those who are close to her family and friends like we're just reopening a wound almost. I don't know that's that was my take on it when I was reading some negative reviews because again when I I was reading their views I was like why are people. Not You know why people not really. What's the word? I'm looking for more appreciative. I appreciate enjoying it right like I thought this was going to be well received and it's not so but then once I started like Kinda looking at their perspective and really think like. Why do they feel this way? I'm like what makes sense like again. Shouldn't didn't pass that long ago. And WHO's really calling the shots? Icu saying this is okay. We should do it. And who's profiting from these tours? I mean those are all elements that you should look at when you make any purchasing. I'm like it's not like I know it seems kind of crazy but you should think about that whenever you buy something from Amazon. Really anything right. Yeah any squabble. Economy at you should consider every purchase decision as a kind of is making a political a political statement absolutely true and another critic that brought something up. Also this is also if this is okay to like is it okay to do this with the holographic tours is it similar or different to pushing out unreleased music from deceased artists? Like Mac Miller right like his producer released all these songs after his death. So it's like. Is that kind of the same situation. Is that any different. I mean if you're asking me I don't think I mean basically the same thing I really don't understand why there's much of a discussion going on about this in the first place if you don't like the tickets don't it's not like the company that owns the rights to songs didn't acquire them through some shady means most of the time most of the time they paid accordingly to acquire those rights and they are allowed to do with that intellectual property. What is that? They would like now where I would say that. Perhaps the moral or ethical gray area would be is in like the portrayal or the image of that person. Do they own her image enough to put it out on stage as a Hologram? That's the portion where I would say. There's maybe some legal or ethical recourse to talk this and wonder about whether or not it's okay but like ultimately her family wanted this to happen. Then families should by the intellectual property and prevent it from happening and if she didn't give her intellectual property to her family upon her death than like. There's nothing that we can do about that. You know she's gone then. That person is dead. Same with Mac Miller like dead. They're not here to to have a say they're not here to be honored like you know there's no point in trying to make it more sacred than it actually is. We're all GonNa die so like you know someone's going to benefit and someone's going to be hurt right everybody's death so why are we like overly complaining about the fact that someone's profiting off of someone else's intellectual property like it doesn't happen every day? Now that's how I just wanted to bring it to all these critic reviews were saying so. I was a little shocked I was like. Oh I thought it was going to be like amazing raving reviews with like you know the life Broadway show dancers but each to their own. This is for sure one of the more controversial Hologram tours that based Hologram has produced and on that note. We're GONNA take our first quick break and when we come back Keith. You'RE GONNA share one of your top picks for this week. You are okay. Always on the go but the day. Just be without your Hollywood's golden state media concepts under ten podcast take care of that and all inclusive look pop culture and hello and welcome back to the music podcast normally. I would do my best to wait until last minute for Cynthia to bring a sin but she discovered she has crack on her screen so I felt bad for them so upset right now. I literally just realized during the commercial break. I looked down on my phone. I don't even remember dropping. I mean it. Luckily I have a screen protector but still annoying for me to see probably in the gym doing dead lifts and then you just didn't even realize slowing johns. I four hundred actually. I'd be surprised if you could actually live to two hundred on like a good day. Bye and I've I've been consistent. Honestly look at the moment. I've lost a lot of strength because I'm and training insert right now to become a barn structure so I've had to kind of put strain training to the side and focus on bar but once I get my strength back up maybe but like I said on a good day after like be pumped feel good. Eat right all that good. Listen to pop smoke. Pop smell thing. Hops monkey action? Yeah I highly recommend okay. So we're GONNA talk about some music this week. We both picked y picked. Three eight records and Cynthia picked one It's been pretty difficult from law. 'cause like there hasn't been a lot of you. Good music release and especially for me like I feel you choose more alternative. picks whereas minor more R. and B. and which I think is a good mix for this podcast because we kinda give the people a little bit of everything but there hasn't been any good rb or hip hop music out so Mike. Why don't WanNa recommend anything that I don't I'm not actually listening to and my pick is actually something totally out of what I normally listen to you. Anyway we'll get to that eventually so the record we're going to talk about first. Is The new TAME IMPALA RECORD Slow Rush Which a lot of people were talking about when it first came out and just because everybody seems to have a thing for Tame Impala. I think it's because he headlined Coachella last year like he's now labelled as an official like festival headliners status so That's the only reason is pretty much. Just Kevin Parker right and I mean songwriter. I I liked it though I liked. It was Vibeke who it's definitely the name slow so I was able to enjoy however I will say the only it's not really negative. There's just a personal opinion. I couldn't listen to the whole project because it was too slow and I could also was end the right state of mind to listen to it meaning like I wasn't in the mood to listen to slow music at the moment I mean. I was washing dishes when I was listening to this album. But that's not out of dishes. I that could be like. Oh I have anymore watch so But no I I enjoyed it about WanNa hear exactly why you wanted to share it with us for today's episode. Why was topics just because it's popular and everybody's talking about it So I figured it would be relevant. I think it's both revenue prevalent most of the time when I pick things it's like. Hey because this really obscure band that only has like two hundred thousand listens on spotify. Which one of the band's on here does literally have that so I think that's funny but now slow rush is taming. Paula's fourth studio record a release in February so it came out really recently I guess it took like almost five years total right lance yeah. They started writing it immediately after their last record which was currents which came out in two thousand fifteen and was an absolutely amazing. It was an honesty is kind of a masterpiece. There's just track after track on. That record is just so good. I think like half of that record my workout playlist like Oh really okay. It's really really really good. Just like solid like DANC- not quite as like psychedelic as they used to be the funny thing about team impala and if you're like in music means you've seen that mean going round of like Tame Impala fans before two thousand fifteen Tim Apollo fans after two thousand fifteen that mean well before two thousand fifteen. It's like a bunch of dudes with beards. Who like look like they're into Psych Rock Then after two thousand fifteen. It's a picture of like a group of Gal pals drinking wine in two thousand and fifteen hit and currents came out there like the demographic enjoyed their their music like rapidly changed because there I two I think inner speaker and I can't remember the title of the other one off the top of my head right now but loaner ism inner speaker and Loaner ISM are these like psychedelic rock records. That are just really really good and trippy an interesting and then you get currents which is like psychedelic dance. Rock is how I would kind of classify it. It's got like an eight minute long track on their called. Let it happen that I absolutely love. I think it's an IT's probably one of my favorite tracks. No this is on the record before slower. And then after currency came out with slow rush which is nowhere near as good as currency in no near as good as their previous stuff. I actually really didn't like this record in in like in comparison to the previous work that Kevin Parker and Tame Impala has done this record feels like way too. Poppy feels boring and uninspired in my opinion like his have you listened to currents and Inter Speaker and Loaner ISM. You would probably agree and I think that a lot of people who have heard those first two records loaner ISM and Inter Speaker would probably agree with me as well because like generally the reason or part of the reason that people are even talking about team upon I was because of the success of currents. And now it'll be partly because of the popular success of slow rush and slow. Russia's designed to ride that wave that they got from headlining festivals. That makes sense. So maybe I mean I have nothing to compare it to because I didn't listen to currents or the music so I guess for you. Listen to their old stuff so you're guttering them. When life that was. That was the first recognized. Second see how you're probably not as impressed Out of the yeah. I don't know like this slow rush. Didn't really like do much for me. Yeah absolutely like I said. It's slow I've only got through like five songs. Just because I was a kid getting kind of tired of it. I don't know it could be an. I wasn't in the mood to listen to music. I don't know the singles on it aren't bad. I can't remember which one sows where but like if you want to listen to a couple of tracks recommends the tracks that came out as singles. I think one came out in like November of last year and one came out in January and I think there was one more that came out maybe in December. I'm not totally sure either way. Check out the singles that were on the record. I think those were good. But otherwise like this is pretty negligible. As far as the record is concerned. I hope that this is kind of like a sign that Tame Impala is maybe miss shifting towards something different in this is just kind of like a transitional record that like isn't necessarily as good as their next one would be because they'll get it get it right next time. They're like refining their recipe for music right now and then their next record will be a more refined version of this and I could see that being super enjoyable so I'm hopeful for the future for them but overall. I think that you could miss out on this. You're not missing out on this record by not listening to it. So yeah I'd give it like a six out of ten. I can't even invade. Ix didn't finish so AM I. I'm I I can't read it completes incomplete right there. You go and I dipped incomplete. Let's talk about your next pick. 'cause this one to me also was oh. It was only similar to tame impala because there are both kind of slow but I think I might area I guess right atmospheric would be a way describing But I yeah so. Let's talk about your second pick here okay. So the next pick that I've got for this week music that I was listening to and I think this record came out super recently. Is a band called loving and the record title is if I am only my thoughts which I love because I'm super into philosophy so it's very existential The bio on the band there like like On their on their spotify account or the spotify profile it just says loving is good or something like that are always very brief on their about. So they're kind of mysterious and like a little Hong which I thought was funny. I had to do some digging to find out that it's a bunch of dudes who met they from Canada and they met while they were planting trees in the forest during summer. So only has like two hundred thousand. Yes yes so. I think the the they were part of the candidate Conservation Corps or something like that and then they were like what have we started a bond because Flynn candidates on like British people now and so this is their debut. Lp which I think is pretty cool L. P. Record project where everyone thought they had previously released like a collection of Demos as an EP which is pretty cool The the point of their songs and they're the whole album as a whole was kind of like to capture the sounds of feelings of being in the Pacific northwest of Canada so cold and sunny with lots of trees. So what did you think of this record? Did you listen to the whole thing? I listened to about halfway because same thing. I just kind of got the same I guess tone from Tame Impala was Kinda a little redundant for me to keep listening to the same tune if you will again. There's just a personal opinion so I had to cut short also at this one. I actually think out of your three picks the next album that will talk about in. The next segment is actually my favorite. Pick out of the three that you chose so also if I am only my thoughts by loving didn't do too much to me. It wasn't memorable for me Well how about for you compared to TAME IMPALA? How was this record for you Well I mean I. I like this one a lot because I thought it was kind of interesting. It feels like a more optimistic. Wilco is the way that I would describe it. You're not familiar with the band wilco. I don't want to be. I feel like I've heard I might have mentioned it. I probably have mentioned that. Yes Oh Wilco is kind of like alternative rock country southern rock singer songwriter. There are a lot of genres anyway. I really like them. If you like Wilco. You'll probably like loving. They've got like that similar like on a sad guy vibe but like sad adult vibe not sad boy vibe And the song titles are creative. Lyrics are creative. The vocals are solid. The instrumentation like really lends itself to kind of like putting you in a specific head space. I really enjoyed the songs like the title track. If I'm only my thoughts is good nihilist. Kite flier and stranger to yourself. I really really enjoyed. If you are interested in like going back and this Cynthia I would highly recommend listening to in reverse order if possible so that well because the last few tracks are much more like upbeat and enjoyable. Maybe I sorry. From top to bottom. There was one song that had no lyrics to it. And I can't remember and I was like okay like I'm just done by disadvantage quick break. Yeah Yeah Yeah and speaking of quick breaks. We're also going to take a quick break so we'll be right back. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen and hear this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than our podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music fashion entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop alerted around and go straight to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed filled. Podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. Www DOT g s MC PODCAST DOT com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google. Play tape and welcome back to music podcasts. Let's get straight into. Keith's third pick here so into it. Let's get straight into it. You know funny banter no funny banter because it's all about business right absolutely no discussion of anything else between you and I- prior to my statement of my next record that I listen to this week. Do you have another statement? Yeah anything else to say the other than the fact that we're currently talking about something other than the record so technically we didn't go straight to it now. Let's get straight to it right now right now this. Why is it that all of your picks have the most interesting album titles the artist's name super like I'm there's just like is this is this is? Why is this? Why you like are able to plan or make up our titles so well because of these band names like I have. No idea are just like a collection of words put together and it's like what does this mean. Yeah Yeah what. What was the one that I did like? We talked about blood. Ritual history secret history of humankind. That's so weird anyway. The Band for this one is Cobra Man on spotify. They also have like under a million listens which is awesome. So if you're into underground obscure stuff like these guys are for you. Record title is toxic planet. This is their. This is their second Studio Album Cobra. Man is a two person project and the quote about themselves is Los Angeles powered disco duo scoring electro punk Skate film soundtracks. So what that means that these two got their start writing soundtracks for skateboarding videos which. I think is actually kind of cool. Okay so the first record was pretty much exclusively for like like some skateboarding. Collective and record is also like inspired by or partially focused on on a bunch of skateboarding stuff. So that's cool is so this? This one made me giggle because again I was washing and my brother was walking by and Living in hell which is one of the popular tracks and the outcome was playing. 'cause I was playing it off my laptop out loud sound Mike images like vibe to a little bit. My brother walks by and he goes. What IS THIS NAPOLEON? Dynamite at am expletive. But like he didn't say like root. Here's just like again knowing how the TYPO listen to music. I typically listen to. He was kind of caught off guard a little bit. He's like this is like an opponent like. Yeah he's like what is dynamite. Co host makes us actually sit in their kind of like by being it to me and he's like like it was just like funny to see his reaction but I definitely when he mentioned that I I type. Lol and the and the and this show no sound like. I literally laughed out loud. Somebody actually reminds me that. Have you seen pulling data my of course the dancing scene? I think it's a talent show for like literally. That's exactly what living in. Hell when I pictured it gave me a lot of eighty five th the whole record kind of Wang Chun's living in La. Yes with the keyboard. And I think also the female vocalists and the background. I'm not gonNA try and hit those like high pitch notes because you already know me my voice. What do you call it? The lower voice an Altho- I'm an alto. What's the High Voice Soprano Soprano? I have an ULTA voids. The how you say yes sir. I would say like my vocal ranges and my vocal range is an alltel and I can't go to us. Soprano look at me knowing my music terminology but I actually was. I enjoyed it like I think my favorite song off this album. Was Everybody Party tonight because I mean it's in the title of the song by a picture. This song playing in a movie scene eighties theme like Roller rinks Super Great. I actually saw. I really liked it and bad feeling to was another good one. At that Song I could see like playing and guitar hero so all the same songs over this record. Really look us go. Wow yeah out of all your music. Picks this one was my favorite one just because it was like different eighty five and the Polian dynamite. That made me crackup so glad you liked it. Yeah and my brother did to my brother. I was able to enjoy a couple of the songs he was. He was just caught off guard because like him knowing me. He's like usually playing like you know drake or summer Walker or some other. Some of them are there are in be right and do you have any other final statements to wrap up this four against straight into my pick of the week. No I really enjoyed this record. I highly recommended Cobra. Man Talks plan is the band and record title. So took those out pretty cool. So what did you listen to this week so I listen to this album twice from him back to this morning twice and there was seventeen. Yes record is fifty minutes long like twenty minutes into it. I was like Oh my God. When is this going to be over what you didn't like it okay? So what's funny is when you sent me this record. I I was like who is Katryn. Hotta this this is not. I'm just not digging this and then I looked at his spotify and I was like. Oh my Gosh Katryn Nada. Is that guy look obvious? Record that he came out with is called ninety nine point. Nine percent yeah. It is incredible love ninety nine point nine percent did not love this one really okay. So let's talk about that because so for those of you who don't know. I literally just discovered this producer this morning. It wasn't bad it wasn't feeling slow. Slow Ralphie may right. Okay that makes sense so Katryn Nada you guys. He is a Montreal based producer. He's produced for some big time artist like chance. The Rapper Alicia Keys Snoop Dogg. Patrick Lamar Send A wop dogs. No up who says that I do. That's not how you say Snoop Dogg. Uncle Snoop Kendrick Lemaire. Oh my God I don't know what language you speaking right now. Back to K Tanada per. Don't like God rapper. So Nada. He emerged in the music scene in the early two thousand. How'd you said You doesn't ten twenty times? Yes it's so weird like anybody's So ever since he blessed the world with the record just mention which has its I W album ninety nine point nine percent in two thousand sixteen. She's been a highly recruited producer price and he got a lot of pretty much fame off that record I was able to listen to a couple of tracks and ninety nine point nine percent because I listen to Bubba. Which is the name of the album the electronic album that we're discussing today BUBBA Ninety nine point nine percent was released in two thousand sixteen just so we don't confuse you guys and actually has I w album ninety nine point nine percent won that year's Polaris Music Prize so he actually was recognized for his work and ninety nine point nine percent. But let's get back to Bubba because I don't want to keep using them and going back and forth definitely listened to ninety nine point nine percent but for the purposes are discussion. We're talking about BUBBA case. He just released. And it's the newest record lies with the album cover because it's creepy and I liked it with like ice blue eyes to pupils. I Dunno it caught my attention. I think that's actually why I clicked on when I was going through apple music. I clicked on that page or his little picture because I was like. Who is as guy with creepy is But no I. I said it's very different what I normally listen to but what I also WANNA gravitated. A lot towards his record is because there were a lot of arm be artists that were featured really interesting features. Yeah like his guest list on there. And that's actually a lot of critics are saying that like his features on there were a great fire features like Macedo winning talk about him in a feature podcast. I'm obsessed with Sago Sir. Kelly cheesed to NAS. Shame for Williams just to name a fee of my favorite features on a Bubba to something funny. This morning when I was looking at the show notes I was going through my email and I got an email about a G. Q. Article where they interviewed Kitchen Nada about how he got all the people reading an article about how he got all features on his record. It's always kind of interesting to read those like how Artis Kalab like. What's the behind the scenes at how they actually like get to work together? So check that out of you. If you follow Chiku kill but yeah I think I like the so much because it's slightly different to what I normally listen to. It's like like I said artists but with an electronic dance element instrumental like twist which was really nice like. I literally loved US album from front to back. I was surprised I was actually surprised. I liked it this much. Some of my favourite tracks were to the music featuring Iman Omari go. Dj Featuring Sir ten percent between collie cheese VEX OH featuring gold link are repented and eight nine fly so it was actually pretty hard for me like I mentioned. That was one that I may have enjoyed some. I definitely made it through the whole record. Yeah but so. What was it for you that like did a really was afraid that you're like no. I felt like it kind of like. It didn't feel focused. He kind of went all over the place stylistically which is funny because like night notes that you really liked And what I mean what we mean by like his range everything I thi-. It was like flawless. Like it's crazy how. We both like interpret music so differently but for me. I really liked how you said. It's all over the place but for me I liked all that includes inclusivity for instance. I don't like that it's just that it anyway. I don't need to defend myself. No no I just inclusivity. It's yeah no no no I get. I get what you're saying like I like that. There was a touch of Columbia and midsection featuring for Williams and Goumba is like a type of Latin dance and then there's also touch of Afro Caribbean sound with vocalist and Vex. Oh and that one's like one of my favorite tracks on this record that sound a couple times vary slightly like not too much this tasteful. We'll give him that. Yeah very tasteful. And I like how. It's almost like he uses these features and their vocals as an extra layer to his music. Their vocals are overpowering. The instruments like the beats in the background of these two right so it just adds an ex like texture do the music which I was able to appreciate so I loved it like I honestly. I'm so surprised I'm reading this and nine nine hundred. Yeah like I really liked it. I really liked it so definitely enjoyed it. It was just too long honestly. Think so around thirty. I was like okay. I'm done with this and then there's still twenty minutes left like it was just too much for me. I don't like records. That are that long. I want something a little bit more brief. This was only like even just a forty minute record. I would've been happy. That's interesting I mean. Yeah I think sometimes too like I'll just look like how long it is. I'm like Oh my God like. Why is this a project so long? Because it's fifty one minutes that you looked at the track lengths on the medal record. And Oh my God I was like twelve minute long. Why Yeah I can totally sow kind of like tunes you out because obviously if it's too long I I'm the same way I'm not gonNA listen to the whole thing but I thought it was a very cohesive project I love him highly. Recommend bubba by Katryn OUGHTA. I would recommend it as well but I would also recommend his first record. Ninety nine point nine percent. Yeah I actually would too so cater audits on the come up. Like I'm sure like he's barely taking off. This barely has second studio album. So we'll see in the future years what he has to offer to the music industry. Yeah so I think that about covers it for today. We talked about the new tame. Impala we talked about volume only my thoughts by loving we talked about toxic planet by Cobra man and we talked about Bubba by overall. I think we would both say that. We recommend listening to every record. We talked about today just depending on what vibe you feeling so we actually a little bit closer on our like Genera today without me meaning. Yeah bubba definitely has a kind of like. I don't know like a mood that it's going four and like all four of the records that we picked all felt very like moody right like all kinds of on a similar spectrum. Like if you like this type of music like you might be able to get into any of these records. Yeah like I was able to get into at least like and your pets like one. Two three songs I was able to get into it But by far my favorite pitchers when the I obviously picked Granola by like I liked toxic planet. Like like I said I've your pigs. Allen's I like the eighties vibe yeah well. Why don't you guys listen? And then let us know in the comments which you think even though we don't know how to read them but we'll figure it out and then when we do we'll be super happy that we have a ton of comments. Give us like subscribe. 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Stop the Separation Between Calf and Cow! | 2/11/20

Pat Gray Unleashed

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Stop the Separation Between Calf and Cow! | 2/11/20

"Art Great is here on the blaze radio network. Thanks for being here. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three thousand three also at pat unleashed leashed on twitter. The New Hampshire primary underway. They start really early Soon as midnight rolls around. Yeah somebody casts. I vote I. This vote went to Mike Bloomberg. Oh somebody who's not even on the ballot not on the ballot. Is that Up there in Dixie fix whatever it is whatever hoggs hollow or Dixville Notch there it is yes at Dixville. Let's see and he's in Mike Bloomberg got the first vote good for him. I think Amy Klobuchar won the first little hamlet. There they do you know there's always one to count the people and and uneducated Amy Klobuchar. It was the winter so well. She's my number three again. I'm going with the same with an Iowa. Yeah Bernie Bernie but a judge who to judge enclosure. What are Warren Biden? I think is what's going to happen. Finnigan Bernie Bernie Buddha the judge club Okay Cool Warren. Might we have the exact same top five. Okay cool so it would be fun. I think now if if joe finishes fifth that's only guys he's real deal with this at all know tons of people all into Hampshire still haven't made up their minds and why the Democrats have nobody who can win in there. We Are you know they don't think of what Donald Trump will do to the admitted socialist if he's the nominee Bernie Sanders. He'll compare this economy to what's happening in Cuba and Venezuela as an example of. Here's my economy. Here's what there is. What Burns will do for you He'll bust out burn quotes about the Soviet Union back in the day pictures of his honeymoon in Moscow. Oh you know yes. His spending. The plan is creepy fantasies from the nineteen seventies. We'll get all that stuff he he. He won't have a chance Elizabeth. Warren I mean seriously in addition to the Pocahontas stuff you got more socialism to take part. Plus she's just not a natural likable candidate. I don't think he even the Democrats like her. Then you got booty judge Trump would just tear him apart on lack of experience. What he did is as mayor of South Bend Biden has that now that just excoriated mayor Pete he can just use that all of those statistics about how did the decorative lighting while Biden was working on healthcare Buddha judges working on decorative lighting on the streets and bridges in South Bend? Great I gotTa Zoo's mean any closer. Nobody knows her. There's nothing electric about her. Michael Bloomberg the Guy Wants to increase taxes on the poor to control all their eating habits and wants to take your guns and Biden has just plain lost it. I mean he might. Actually that'd be the easiest to defeat. If he were to win this nomination I mean they just don't have anyone they don't have anybody who is going to win this Gu could beat Donald Donald Trump. I just don't see it happening. Biden had some interesting comments about gun control. Here's what What he had to say not by the way those who say the tree of Liberty is water with blood of Patriots? A Great Line Jerry lying. Well guess what. But the fact is if you're going take on the Government Unions fifteen with Hellfire missiles deflect is select. First of all. Yeah it is a great lead after. Thomas Jefferson his thrilled. That you approve Joe and the flak is if you're gonNA take on if you're going to take on the government you need an F fifteen with Hellfire missiles there's no way. AK47's GonNa take care of you. I don't know about an AK47. But I will tell you this an air fifteen sure to help. It's it's certainly going to be a lot better than being completely unarmed. Where you've got no chance whatsoever? If one hundred million citizens are armed and they are at least that many. It's probably more than that. I don't care what you say. That's a pretty good deterrent for the government. Not to not to try to tell a -Tarian ISM makes it incredibly difficult for an occupying force if that's what they are if an occupying force like our government decides to get nasty starts into troops through the streets you know tanks through the streets if they're fighting an armed populace you don't need F. Fifteens you just need to harass them. Non Stop Twenty four twenty four hours a day ask the Afghans. How effective that was against the army they faced then he claims we're not guaranteed elicited this we're not guaranteed anyone AK forty forty? Seven is going to take care of you if you're going to take on you're worried about the government coming down knocking on. Your door is bizarre. We never said you don't any weapon at all. Aw beginning you can't machine gun you can't own a bazooka you can't own a number one tank and no matter how much money you have. You can limit the kind of weapons that are able to be on and so I think and by the way or actual work. I've done on this including an administration I I now have over. Fifty eight percent of the NRA members acknowledged. You can't own soul weapon doll need for you can't have. You can't have a magazine. Do you believe that. There's no way fifty eighty eight percent the NRA members are okay with not owning an assault. What can we define an assault weapon? I well and they are. Fifteen is an assault weapon supposedly. Okay there's no way I don't believe that that's a lie. That's that's a stick in Li- he he's lying dog faced pony soldier. Oh yeah that's what he is. He claims we're not guaranteed any weapon. Let me I don't know just refresh your memory on something. The Second Amendment A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed keep and bear arms means yes we can own own weapons. What asinine nonsense? Yeah he's losing it he's lose even Bernie is better on guns than Joe Biden is is so I guess he was. He was asked about the investigation into hunter and and Joe went after Rudy Giuliani. Here's that exchange vice president. The president's also been going after you're John and Lindsey Graham till. CBS News only survived. The Justice Department is vetting information from Rudy. Giuliani about your son's work in Ukraine. Are you concerned. uh-huh on conservative. Really on Yeah Rudy. Giuliani too concerned. A federal investigation look positive for a second Rudy Giuliani. Just saying his name over and over and over doesn't mean anything rudy. Guiliani Rudy Giuliani hough. Aw I mean he just thinks he just keeps repeating the same lie that everybody's looked into this. Nobody's found anything on it. Okay let's see the rest of these are you. Are you concerned the federal I expect I expect trump to do the same exact thing. He's been doing why I see been attacking me from the beginning. Why did he risks and he should have been impeached? Why did he risk getting convicted by going to a foreign leader to say? Don't you don't have to give me anything I'm Biden. There's nothing nothing to get. Just tell me you're going investigative so I can hurt him. Have you ever seen sitting president as concerned about a single nominee and trying to stop a nominated. Tancredo thank president. Do you think your son is fair. Game here son Hunter. I don't think I don't i. Don't think our sons are fair game. No one has said he's done anything wrong. SET THE THUG Rudy. Giuliani know Giuliani character witness. Mr Vice President speaking voters Rudy Giuliani. 'cause I mean good defense there. That's that's powerful awful and he thinks it is. Here's to suppose journalist sitting there listening to him say things that were not said by the President President and they just sit there and take it. They don't even challenge him on it. He didn't say anything like that. I know Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong but just infest just say that. You're going to investigate. That's what he said man I I can't take it the the lying in sacks of garbage that are running for office in this country. It's a it's criminal it's criminal triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Also we got PAT. Head cody done. That sent us this video of some young people singing. Winging it at an old folks home this is this is really great. Watch this come into entertain the old people the people. Oh my goodness how did they send in the back of an envelope. Five minutes before you arrive by Eh. That's something else. They're good job on that kids and congratulations relations on being the only young. All of the young people in New Hampshire that support Joe Biden. We're in that room. So that was that was. They did in fact oddly enough when they stopped rolling in just after that. That's when the the awkward back massage of the shoulder rubs began in the creepy hair. Sniffing okay when it started and how many how many sat on his lap. I don't know about all of them. All of those. Those were Teenagers maybe young twenties. It'd probably a little too old for Joe Biden so He's a sad case and just the lies. That's really disturbing me. Also a Democrat National Committee chairman. Tom Perez said that he believes the DNC should eliminate caucuses and moved to just primaries after last week's fiasco in Iowa. I do think it needs to be state. Election officials running elections he said Peres expressed his discontent with the Botched Iowa Caucus Dacas as you can imagine and noted that he has supported primaries which are administered by state election officials over caucuses which are run by state parties. Since two thousand sixteen. There were fourteen states years ago. That held caucuses. Seven of them are now primary states off Iowa chose to keep their caucus state their caucus status and I think what we learned from all the mistakes that were made. It's it's undeniably unacceptable in addition to eliminating the caucus system. He said Democrats should also discuss the order in which states vote in the primary is Iowa about to lose their first in the nation caucus status. Well that's the conversation that will absolutely happen after this election cycle. He said I would bet that they do. You know maybe you WANNA put in. I don't know a bigger state at the start. The caucus system is stupid anyway. It's just dumb. Let's all get a room together and bully each other until we have a candidate. You don't like it yeah it just go out and vote. Place is your vote for who you want. And that's part of America. Is your secret vote. Yeah and that's how it's going to work in the general election anyway. So why not just do it is going to happen in the actual actual election doesn't make any sense to me and you know I don't know this whole system with the Democrats. It just doesn't matter because they're all so bad I was going to say it really doesn't matter if they do the caucus a secret ballot in in the box doesn't matter you're going to get a terrible candidate. Uh Either Way Democrats really. It doesn't matter what you do. Just throw a throw a dart at a board. Yeah might as well. Is that too violent for you. Is that too much violent island rhetoric there. How about you draw a name out of a hat and Whoever you get is who's going to get their butts kicked in November cool all rat? Apparently booted judge has another little issue. He spoke at a tea party event. Yeah back in the day. Wow they're the two two parties come together now. You're in trouble we any. We don't care about any of the other stuff right but the tea party all my eye. A Democrat many my friends. Supporters voted to become tonight to speed. It's there's especially my party parties promote but they're Parties you'll be covered responses to citizens and above all of frustration. Yeah that's me I would be my house house. Oh my common ground there. He was worried about Obama like we were. I don't know that he was worried about Obama. I don't know that he ever said that but but he was Apparently not fan let me. It was against Obama really that the tea party rose because we were concerned about his socialism. Okay but I think that Mayor Pete trying to get his political career off the ground probably look I can and that way he could go to speeches and say Look I. I've spoken at Tea Party events. I've reached across the aisle. Yeah we have common ground. uh-huh we just were concerned about the direction of our government avenue. Bottom line is now people in the left are saying this is disqualifying racist. Run the tea party and he spoke there. It was the Great Jesse Jackson who wants it black red or brown all. Aw here find common ground workers white black and brown here fats coming okay. Yeah workers didn't say that on my show let's see did white black and Brown here find common ground now. That's an amazing thing when you think back about almost twenty years ago. Nineteen years ago Jesse. Jesse Jackson came on my show. I I mean I can't even imagine I can't imagine it now. We've gotten so far apart now with this this chaz between the right of the left. There's a there's two big chaz of shouted out across such as A. I'm still him back. Walk that's what I meant. So that's what I said and I meant it. Can you imagine for instance Jesse Jackson or L. X.. Or you know any of those any of those people you know coming on this show lex. LX No way elway he fully. There is a great video. I should post this later today. Remember when we had those police shootings few years ago and stuff. Yeah he actually went to a local Houston News station and they went with him to like some police training to show what police officers go through. All remember how they have to make these split-second second decisions. I think that was before the cops were shot. Here right yes I think was yes And and he said boy that's eye opening. Wow I stand corrected its powerful. Yeah because it opened his eyes on what kind of decision you have to make and how fast you have to make it and you know that your life is on on the line I mix it makes a completely different. It's a totally different situation. Then triple eight nine hundred thirty three and ninety three three. We still have so much. Yeah we do so much to get to let me take sixty seconds though and tell you about books because Friday eh is Valentine's Day Friday but the books company has you covered that's books B. O. U. S. as in bouquets of flowers they offer for farm fresh sustainably sourced flowers for next or even seen day delivery and they last a long time. The ones I just got my wife lasted did for twelve days. 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Pat Head is a Callan Stewarton Colin snort yellen stored so look at that challenge challenge Stewart. Boy We'll get this right challen well anyway. How's how's it sound? I don't know I'm reading on this or maybe it's Jewish. We don't know So there is the lion's face pony soldier he lies. We don't have proof of that but everything else fits although there's no pony in the shot okay but still still there. There's a lying dog faced. So what's this lady saying now. The chicken called that name. That horrible horrible thinks she said you know inner question she said the so. I thought this was really nicely phrased. You've been the vice president. You were burdened down by the impeachment trials. So how do you explain your performance in Iowa. You know she saying you had the whole state to yourself. Essentially so why should voters believe that you can win the national the election so that pissed him off obviously and he called her. The lying dog face pony soldier at when she said she'd been to a caucus now she says I read an article that he said Iowa was a punch to the gut. And I'm not one to just push on wounds. Try to humiliate anyone. He wasn't just sitting sitting in the Senate trials for impeachment so he had Iowa to himself. And then you've been a politician for like decades. How are you not way above all all the other candidates according to the post She also released a statement that said she had asked by new fair question and it was totally irrelevant with her. I've been to a caucus or not which is exactly right. Joe Biden has been performing incredibly poorly in this race. She said his is inability to answer a simple question from a nobody college student like me only exacerbates that reality pretty smart girl So good for her for. We're standing up for herself because I mean he's not getting the kind of why is he getting total pass on calling a woman. A lying dog faced pony soldier. Jovian Joe Man. Yeah I can't. I'm sorry that doesn't wash. You can't get away with that. Although yes he has he can he. He did so. I guess you can't get away with that. Earned him what fourth fifth place was the ending in fourth fourth. Yeah I'm thinking ahead to New Hampshire. Yes yes so. By what Sunday. We should know the results in New Hampshire today. If New Hampshire I did look up the math scores Compared the New Hampshire to Iowa New Hampshire math scores better far and away better than scores. So there's really we'll get results before Friday. Okay so yeah oh but boy if Joe Biden so new and I okay we agree. He's not gonNA finished higher than fourth in New Hampshire wrecked. Yes and what might be worn. So what's after that Nevada Nevada. Yeah case on the twenty second. So He's got eleven days. How's he going to do out there? Do we know what the polling is out there because because not Carolina. He's going to be done before the end of the month. He his seriously. Yeah he's GONNA lose new Nevada to I think I think Bernie's on his way to victory there in Nevada so that'd be three a clean sweep and his granddaughter being. Thanks Joe this show. So he he's leading and is he. Yeah the copper state. I'M NOT GONNA. He's leaving pronunciation a home. Yeah he's a twenty one twenty one. Yeah Okay and then Segment has Bernie at seventeen point five. Well if he wins Nevada that wouldn't be bad. He's still in okay shape because then he's got South Carolina coming up and that'll be the first test of you know Uh significant amount of minority vote. And he'll probably win that decisively uh-huh because Buddha Buddha judge not winning the black vote save your tweets by the way I'm GONNA say silver state not the copper state. So you think your state is somebody Arizona. Yeah Yeah so just wanted to make sure I'm just GONNA to between now and February twenty-second seemed to call it that you and I don't argue with Las Vegas get exclusive the Nevada proven that over and over again. It's Nevada. I like Nevada like it too. I've trained and it's Oregon. It's the silver state. Thank you very much silver state the rocky mountain state. No Yeah I'm talking about Colorado. Okay I triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at pat unleashed on twitter You Know Liz Liz with Warren. She's in trouble to show and Joe have really kind of gone away. I'm telling you man if it were the same name primary schedule as it was in years past. She would have peaked at the right time as it stands bull by yeah back to the tribe so she was at a restaurant walking around. Try to get everybody excited about once the guy the orange French I mean. Watch away from her. Nobody wants her there. Look at the guy on the right looking down. The guy in the orange juice boy walked buyer. They don't want to look at her. Ah Look at our baby. I just can't stop looking at my baby. I mean nobody wants her at that table. Could you move along the leader that none of them none of them will will establish contact the love the orange guy the guy I guess her is that a woman. Do we know this I think so. I think she got. Oh you're talking about the lady next to the baby. Yeah Okay I got Ya. Yeah what happened there. The reason isn't she is talking with Elizabeth. Warren is because she was in that unfortunate position. Where you locked out you made eye contact to see something that everybody everybody else? They don't turn it. Oh look there's no interest what sign me ever. It's like in the booth behind. Nobody wants to talk to her. That's what gives Joe Biden in hope for fourth place because she might actually be fifth-place after this kind of anecdotal evidence. See I would not. I mean that would be so embarrassing. I WOULD NOT WANNA go round tables. Where people don't want anything to do you there? I would not be good politics. I just leave yeah. I'm like okay now. Nobody wants to be here so so let's let's go and see now. That's like Joe Biden in Iowa. Remember that the guy was watching the Alabama Auburn game. Yeah and he's just like what. Yeah okay I I mean. He wasn't even looking at him and Joe Biden's like you know who I am right. Yeah I know you're gonNA finishing fourth place so if restaurant visits from politicians or any indication. Yeah Liz we'll be lucky to finish fourth place both Liz and Joe and have been proven to not pass the restaurant test restaurant as I like that the the restaurant Litmus test if they're more interested in their food than they are in you then. That's probably a sign that sorry. You're not going to win. It's kind of what we do in the mornings things before Jeffy is GonNa join us during the day you know. Come in the room here. We'll be and you know you even look what we show prep in eating and stuff and he'll come in that's pretty sad when it comes into those babies and you went out like me does maybe. Maybe he'll just I think we didn't hear him and you leave or just sit down and shut up anyway. That's exactly what it feels is just like Elizabeth Warren in the old country buffet or wherever she was there. Yep Is that a big famous place that BRASSICA place. I don't know what the equivalent is. Is In New Hampshire. I don't know the name of that restaurant. Sure they have one though All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three also at Pat unleashed unleashed on twitter. See we have time to get into this pro-life stuff probably not yet There's a series of clips there. Yeah because Bernie Sanders Spoke spoke about it. We have a teenager. WHO's really excited about it? We got Andrew Yang talking about it. So we'll get to all of that coming up in a few minutes I I let me play what Chris Matthews has to say about the dangers of socialism. What's gotten into Chris Miss? I didn't catch this Friday night after the debate. Check check this out. I have my own views. The word Socialist and I'll be glad to tell. Share them with you in private and they go back to the early nineteen fifties. I haven't added about them. I remember the Cold War. I have an attitude towards Castro I believe if Castro and the reds had won the Cold War The execution central park and I might have been one of the ones getting executed security and certain other people would be there cheering. Okay so I have a problem with people who took the other side. I don't know who burning Bernie supports over these years. I don't know what he means by Sosa. So why don't we could stenmark. We're going to be like Denmak. Okay that's harmless. That's what I saw the capitalist country with good social welfare programs then micheals Hamas pretty clearly early on the Denmark is how do you know that that's what he says. And what his agenda calls for right. He's not calling for. Let's see now how we haven't seen a campaign yet where video of him praising the other birds right is it. What would that be used? That's a question you'll see how that plays out how what the fact that hasn't but what does he think of Castro. That's a great question. What did you also was greg? When you first can cure like I would in came the communist let me just started got it what do you think of Nikita Khrushchev? Ask them that because he was a pretty big fan of the Soviet Union. Tell you I I mean that's good stuff that's good stuff and by the way you don't get to choose. Once socialism happens it starts spinning out of control. And that's why you wind up with a Castro the gray tweets Michael Anti Seventeen O one tweets. Joe Lashed out of her twenty one year old girl because he couldn't sniffer to see if she was a friend or not. All right Scotty sweatman Democrats are just having a little trouble applying that common core math to the simple county who've owes we'll get the hangover eventually. I'm sure they will From turtle smirking Rube Fake News. That's a you know the the dog faced. Oh the older we show. Yeah Fake News. That's sitting Doug faced pony lists soldier there yet right. He's right okay or she and the identify I duNNo. It's a she turtles smirking. Yeah so she you know she identifies as she. I mean I'M GONNA burn out you you don't know so why don't you shut up. I mean you're right you're right you got me. Yeah you did a dead to rights. That's right right Allan cruickshank if it were possible would not the Democrats eliminate elections. Yeah they probably would. They're certainly trying to eliminate babies. I know I know that we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to you know if we wanted quality we're GONNA have to kill some day babies number that We're getting about to that level now on on abortion. Here's a pregnant teenager though. Who's really excited about her about her birth coming up and she shows finding got my baby's gender today kinda nervous in the hospital? They're getting a gallon on smiling. Yeah what fifteen six hundred maybe. It's here we go big reveal time lorded. Oh Horta and they're just so happy her and her friends so you think she's going to find out the sex of her baby and she's happy that you know she's happy that she just killed her baby so we're so we're thrilled. It's killed baby day. Relation nation. All right that is sick grotesque sick you know Andrew Yang dared dared dared to ask people how why we would celebrate you know. He says he's pro choice. You know for the woman's is right to choose. But why would you celebrate it. And that brought down the hounds of hell on him. Here's what he said. I think we have to get back to the point where no one is suggesting that we'd be celebrating an abortion at any point in the pregnancy right that there was a time democratic circles. That's where we used to talk about it being something that like. You don't like to see but that should be with Yup freedoms of of the mother to decide. Those days are gone so to me I I think there is a really important tone. Set the on this where you don't just say lake. We're absolutely though I have to say relatively absolutist on honest like I think that it should be up to the woman and her doctor. Mistakes should be interviewing all the way through pregnancy. But it's a tragedy to me. You should enter someone per second. The state should intervene in everything else by the way. Don't get me wrong. I want the state involved in every every other aspect in my life including what I should be eating but not whether or not a human life should be allowed to continue continue unreal. That's unreal These people are buffoons. I mean even this explanation is is asinine nine and yet he got in trouble for it all right let him finish your. But it's a tragedy to me if someone decides that they you don't want to have a child Jerry. Maybe at some point later I mean there's a very very difficult personal decision and it should be something that we're very very sensitive to yeah. I think that celebrating children family like these are universal human values and if we manage to lead on that and then insane but we also stand for women's reproductive rights. I believe we can bring Americans closer together on a really really important personal issue. Why try to be so careful? uh-huh clearly he does not like abortion Clearly he's wrong party then got yes. Yeah he's kind of I. Guess now I don't know if he's old school Democrat on this or if he's actually pro-life but knows he can't be openly pro-life In the Democrat Democrat Party. Because there's no place for you there's the I'm sorry you don't fit and I mean there's there's no place in what where do I hear that. Oh that's right from Bernie Bernie Sanders at the same event then. Is there such a thing as a pro life Democrat in your vision of the party. Get this ugly. I've been pro choices. An absolutely essential part of being asking me. If you're asking me and I think I I may be wrong on this I think you are. You're in the Senate's probably ninety. Five percent of the Democrats are not in the house. Maybe even a higher percentage so that's kind of what my view is. I think by this time in history. I think when we talk about what a Democrat is I think being pro WPRO choices essentially central part of that. Wow that's that's nuts. Wow that is in other words. There's no place for pro lifers in the Democrat Party. The tent tent is big enough for baby killers. Gay Marriage gender fluidity yeah. Climate change hysteria record record deficits socialized medicine Socialists Marxists but not anybody who believes in life for babies in the womb. Wow I can't believe even said that. Fraser yeah I know that's offensive while there's no place for you. I just wanted to make sure you knew no place. I know a generation ago. Oh Wow I remember left us to scream when a republican was getting ready to nominate a Supreme Court justice no pro-life live right and other doing the opposite now. It's you're not welcome. If you think of that part of being not misstating what Bernie Sanders said if you support babies living there is no place for you and the Democratic Party. Yeah wow that's really bad adulation. Democrats partying us. There are no good choices value this year absolutely the party of death. That's really something else show. Well we got a Rhode Island priest. whose at least trying to do something you know that? That sort of falls in line with his belief structure Crutcher. He's refusing to serve communion to state lawmakers who supported the pro abortion bill. Good good for him in two. It doesn't Nineteen Democrat Governor Gina. Raimondo signed bill preserving federal abortion protections into into state law according according to US News and World Report the Law says it Rhode Island will not restrict a woman's right to abortion prior to fetal viability or afterward if abortion is necessary for the health or life of the mother That's almost never the case. It's so unbelievably rare. Now as almost never happen where a woman's life is endangered for giving birth. I mean this isn't eighteen forty-six anymore very few women die a in childbirth. Now I don't know if you're aware of that but you know what they do. is they make mental health part of it so if this is going to bother her go she's going to be bothered. She's going to be mentally bothered by this so we better abort the baby you know when she's going to be bothered after the abortion. Yeah no kidding. That's what but she's GonNa be mentally bothered just such such an awful awful situation. According to the Providence Journal the Reverend Richard Richard Bucci seventy-two passed out fliers at his sacred heart church publicly highlighting all the state lawmakers who voted on a pro abortion. Bill he also said that these lawmakers will not be able to serve as marriage witnesses godparents or electors at church sponsored events. Good there should be consequences. Quences you know if the church if the Church doctrine is such that abortion is wrong. Well then I'm sorry you're going going to have to be. There's going to be consequences if you go the other way at least religiously obviously not Obviously not from the law. Because it's perfectly lawful but this is the same point you were making abortion. It's like if if you have a different view. You're not welcome in this party right. Well the individuality is so emphasized by the left who you WanNa be be yourself believe what you want to believe. Oh well we'll ho you believe who even like God and Jesus and and all those tenants and stuff on. Oh now you've got too far step too far. Yeah that's too much and have your faith. Hey I mean seriously. So then you got the Nancy Pelosi's of the world who are so radical on abortion and yet claim to be wonderful Catholics. Who Love of their faith? Oh okay well I guess you pick and choose what part of your faith you love but you know that's between you. God who am I to judge. Now you're saying you'RE GONNA burn in the fires of Hell that's all I know. Okay I mean other than that other than that. 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Yeah you should be asked should be made to be me to feel uncomfortable about. It's socialism instead. He's not everybody are well. He's talked about Denmark. You ever lived in Denmark. Live there and see if it's the same quality quality of life that we have here go ahead live. In Finland there Shangrila of Finland. My son lived there for two years while he was on his mission. I guarantee you. It's not a higher standard of living than we have. It's nowhere near what we have no when we lived in Charleston South Carolina our next door. Neighbors He was from America and she was from Norway and they had their first kid and they said we're going to Norway where they listed. Is it all this free stuff you get and we're going to go over there and live happily ever after. And they were good people. I mean they. They were great people. They moved over there and then they moved back about a year later and said wow. That is horrible. I Miss America early. This is the greatest country on earth by far and that was yes. Oh oversold to us there you go. That's what you're gonNA find if you think that is you know. If if that's the perfect society you're going to be sorely disappointed seriously and take another thing. My son loved those people but the one thing he came back with was how racist they are why because they that's all they knew was each other. You know it's a Hump Amodu Nicest Society Society and now they've got this influx of people from Africa Asia. And they don't like it at all. Do they. Not like the individuals that are moving from these other countries or they don't like the fact that what they're bringing to their country. I Yeah I'm not sure Having not been there myself self. But I'm guessing it's combination of the two but I think it's probably more the latter because they don't like what they're bringing to their country bad things happening these Scandinavian Nordic contracts. And you know what they're doing is going coming to Finland and getting free stuff from them they're setup with free college place to live. You know amid come you know whatever else you know. And they're tired. You're paying for that. I would be too. And that tends to Piss you off. And they have all this extra money to spend on Organizing their society. The way they want to win their defense is provided for by us. Yeah you don't have to spend money. They exactly it's called NATO right. That's why we spend seven hundred billion dollars a year on our military because we protect everyone on this planet. Everybody okay so you're welcome. Yeah you're well and that's one of those things that man president trump is like. He's tired of it. You Guys GonNa pay for some of this stuff all right so thank you. Yes not only. Are you gonNA up your contributions. We've upped our contributions. Now up your literally. I think that's what he said to them. Take the yours not only monetarily but militarily both because they haven't been pulling their weight Oscar's the ratings hit an all time low just as we hoped yesterday. Yes it did come to pass. I know it would buy three million then. It went down another three million in ratings. What do they down to think Twenty three point six million now. This is a this. is they broadcast it. Just ten fifteen years ago had forty five million people watching it now. It's been cut in half so yeah. Something's wrong I wonder what what could it be the loud mouth idiots. We have to you know even though they took the a few minutes to stop raping each other as I say yesterday. Nobody watched their self congratulatory self-aggrandizing pseudo intellectual snooze fest it we just got an immune to it. We're tired tired of it. No thank you. I don't WanNa hear about your calendar nation and whatever else. Well yes I do. I do WanNa hear about your calendar limitation. Because that's we feel entitled titled Here in Phoenix Artificially INSEMINATE A cow. Yeah and she gives birth we steal her baby oh man even though her cries of anguish on mistake double cries of anguish and then we take her milk that's interior and we put in our coffee bond. No no I think. Every morning we feared the idea of personal change because we think that we have to sacrifice something to give something up but human beings that are best are so inventive and creative and ingenious. Yeah and I think that when we use love and passion as our guiding principles US look we can create develop and implement systems of change that are beneficial to all sentient beings and to the environmental. Well it's been beautiful beautiful You know what I feel coming on here. What that is? Sally struthers for the cows Hi I'm Sally struthers for just two hundred thirty three dollars a day less than the cost of the three three sides of beef and butter sauce. Just say you can help fight artificial insemination cows and people to well. Okay actually. They're not but who says there are any less important than humans well again. You're right everyone says visit from God and the Bible Darwin and in Survival of the fittest theory of evolution. All tells us we are far superior period to them but still. Please join me in this fight. Let's all work to stop separating CAL families thank you. It's important like thirty three bucks a day. Thought it was just two hundred thirty three dollars a day. What does is at an amount per year to stop Colin summation eighty four thousand? Eight hundred. Twelve Bucks Hey. That's cheap cheap. Yeah a double the price. Well you know the cal say they say eat more chicken. And that's exactly what they did. At the Oscars we had a listener. Find a menu for us from the Oscars Judas Directo synthesis menu on. You guessed. I know this was supposed to be a big Vegan but apparently the chicken his Vegan. They died on Caesar Salad. A Polo Lounges. Classic Fried Chicken Steak Fritz fruits roasted cauliflower stake then. They had ice cream sundaes Sundays and a band played Beatles. Cover songs wonderful one forum. I'm so glad love me. Do I hope they had well. I bet there was milk and the ice cream but Whoa oh yeah somebody get ahold of walking police because what he did. He did bring a baggy of his own food. Pat Gray triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at PAT unleashed on twitter gravy with us. Thanks for being here by the way you can download this and please tell everybody. You know your spouse south's significant other family members Extended family members. Neighbors People in your cul de sac is random random people. You pay anybody on the street where they can get Pat Gray unleashed that includes apple. IHEART stitcher spotify. You can download on Google's systems the chrome Google play and now available on youtube tire. 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Fairly pat never heard of the not practicing in clause in the Catholic profession of faith are going to be shocked though when they find out Jesus never heard of it either. Look slacked the that comes from Joe Biden saying the flag is the flag is pat. We don't have to live there her to know. How Great Socialism is we have the happiness studies to unequivocally proved their nations are superior? Oh so talking about socialism in those in Northern Ireland. Yeah we're always great. It's usually Bernie Sanders. The quality of life in these countries countries bill. Oh great yeah go there then live go live there. Go Run for President Norway research out there what did you marry it. Yeah that's going right right right right on us. Tomorrow you'll love it so much Bernie. Why don't you Mary Anne Maryland Seventy? I WANNA see somebody asking that question today. Hey Bernie you'll love these Nordic stupid country so much. Why did you marry him? Laugh track man. You GotTa give me the laugh track. Yeah don't you marry it. Yeah so I mean Bernie. You'll love Sweden Somalia. Why don't you marry it to marry it? You know. That's the last thing that's left to be able to marry. Right is a country in trees and three ghosts themselves L. themselves sheep fraud planet so dumb. You know the one thing they still can't give in on is the plural marriage thing. I don't know why I think it's because of the religious connotations their they refuse now. If you can't if I can't can't legislate love with who you love white. Can I legislate how many you can love. Just it's bizarre so bizarre. I don't like I don't like polygamy I don't want to be a mess but it doesn't make any sense in light of everything else now. Here's a question. Could you be married to one individual and a ghost at the same time I don. I don't know now that needs to be put to the test as soon as the woman who married a guess. Yeah but could she be last few when she yeah. I thought it was built to last. She married the Ghost in Australia and I flew back to London and they lived. I think for only three or four months together and it didn't work out I'm Harris. Oh so she divorced yeah he goes. He flew through the wrong. Ghost was not who he presented himself as in Australia. She found out the real him and it bothered her. She didn't like him so really sad. That is sad. Tragic story from Hungary. Keith's heart attack waiting so the Nordic countries are not punching above their way not in quality of life. No no no the Steve forty-two wait was phoenix. Phoenix giving an Oscar speech or was he was he continuing his role as joker. It's pretty crazy guys are not. He's he's just a nutbag from from Scotty. Every time I hear that Joaquin Phoenix Clip. I get this strange craving for veal Parmigiana pop cereal at a tall glass of milk. Oh you're going to steal the milk breath cow feeds. It's baby's okay for whatever what does a Um What does a a you can hear the cries of the of the Momma Cow. Yeah you know what it sounds like the sound like exact they say you get this echo. Sound Ooh says is a little like that momma cow in distress As she hazard watches they're little babies taken away. Yeah love the fact that he said you know you can clearly clearly earlier plainly. Here's one let's listen. Let's see what was we feel entitled to Cow. Gosh it's and she gives birth we steal her baby be right even cries of anguish on mistake. -Able under mistakes are the cries anguish. I gotTA BE HONEST UNMISTAKABLE. I did mistaken for a petrified mummy from three thousand years ago eight thousand years ago. Yeah so that's my. That's my bad to me. I thought its this crisis ended a little like like it always does I mean you know every sound sounds about like that I was actually I see it's very ironic that we mentioned this because About a month or so ago and I put this video on twitter. I can hear these cows like wandering around near my house at night and it was just weird and neighbor mind told me that they actually well. We're the babies being stolen long long. They were trying to win the babies. Yeah it's Oh my gosh. He's separated the kettle families looking for the Kenya Right. My Gosh I have proof from my own backyard. Now we've got a Bloomberg eating gay ice cream. It's just comes full circle because what is ice cream made with milk milk so yes I have heard the cries of mom separate from their mistake. -able therein mistakenly data. ooh store in Hollywood. They clap to that speech. I think you made this point yesterday. Like yes yeah. Rating Mama. Cows from being nation of cows and if Joaquin Phoenix finishes that speech with now let's get a check for planned parenthood and murder human babies audit even louder. What a world? I gotta read this since we're on this topic terrible world saw this Great Oscars article yesterday by Freddie Gray who I think is a movie reviewer and reviews all things Hollywood he writes. It's come friendly bombs and fallen. Hollywood it isn't fit for doing good another year. Another dreadful Oscars another round of moral lectures from the beautiful people. It's also tiresome. The only reason most people pay attention to these irritating awards ceremonies is precisely so that they can be irritated so there was a Vegan theme. I thought so at this year's Academy Awards so the show had no host so Brad Pitt is angry about impeachment. So someone said workers of the World Unite so Joaquin Phoenix mad in all senses of the word about what mankind is doing to the animal kingdom so Natalie Portman in what she called my subtle way had the names of the women. Directors who weren't nominated for awards sewn own into her dress so what all these people are ridiculous. Thank you nothing. They say makes any difference to anyone. Actors are increasingly aware. Thanks in part to ricky wonderful ribbing of them at the Golden Globes. Nobody cares what they think at some unconscious conscious level. These actors must know that they don't really know anything about politics or the real world. They can't admit this to To themselves of course human nature being what is so they doubled down. They convince themselves that any angry reaction to their moralizing is an indication that they have dared to speak truth. How brave they are? And so the infuriating cycle continues actors. End Up almost trolling the public in the public trolls back on social media. That's great the Oscars have been have always been fundamentally silly but ten years ago they were still a major event vents. Celebrities still lectured people in their annoying self-congratulatory sort of way but they had more cultural capital. Then people listened when they spoke spoke and that's slightly restrained their sanctimoniousness. Now they're just howling into cyberspace evermore desperate to be heard. I love this article. The Internet has killed the Hollywood star. Fame has been disrupted. Andy Warhol got it slightly wrong. When he said that in the future everybody will be famous for fifteen minutes? It's in fact. Thanks to social media. Everybody is famous to at least fifteen people instagram twitter and facebook. I mean we don't have to Ogle stars anymore. We're too busy ogling ourselves. Yes different types of celebrities have grown online the influencers the youtube versus streamers and and they too will try to use their position to grandstand but the age of celebrity of mass entertainers mattering as anything other than entertainment is dying eyeing. It won't be missed so true. That's awesome so great. I mean if we were in general a Sane Society these Hollywood liberals like Joaquin Phoenix would probably be in a mental institution and able to get free. Instead we give them a platform a microphone and award safe and million. Tell us how to Louis. Yeah it's just amazing. This has been a day for me though. Aren't they all today day in particular. It's a cavalcade. It's an avalanche of garbage every day today early or than ever all right triple eight nine two hundred thirty three ninety three by the way. Speaking of the avalanche the global death toll has now passed a thousand on the corona virus mm-hmm but still it's interesting because you know what the death toll is for the flu. Twelve thousand so. Wow so so this flu season I mean just in America. It's twelve thousand. Twelve thousand people have died of the flu in America. This flu season. Yeah and a thousand of died of worldwide virus. That's I mean and yet and all but all the panic with the Kuroda virus there all all those deaths are in China and There's just too outside Hong Kong Philippines right right so and one American die but that he died in China so is it is it because because it's just great unknown so I don't know it well on the reaction of the Chinese has been so weird I I mean they are do have the videos. Oh my gosh okay. If you're eating breakfast swallow your bike. They're pushing moon down the bowl already. Got This guy in an elevator elevator. So we presume this guy is infected with the corona virus because he entering an elevator. Here it's kind of odd angle here. You'll look to the left here of the of the shot. The elevator doors will open and you'll notice his Crazy baldness more crazy than mine. Okay and then watch what he does with his. It's hand wipes all over the look at that. It's it's five got it. You've got it later. Why how would you do that? That psychotic being so let's say somebody is infected with the virus from what he just did. Ah Dies see charged with murder. Then oh you just kill somebody so I think you did. I think I mean that's like you can make a case it could. Could you make the case in court like that's like putting a gum Yeah on the elevator and I. It's it is. Let's see what happens. Unbelievable wow that's really unbelievable. So that's gross. So they are dragging people out of their homes now. People in you know has met suits are coming in dragging people out of their homes out out of their cars a woman the other day got dragged out of a car and they injected her with something and she immediately went limp. I don't know what that was but it's very sci-fi movie. Ask well they just. They pulled her out of the car. She was fighting them like crazy. Then all of a sudden he goes completely limp. I think was completely passed out. I didn't see after the injector off. It is now illegal not to wear a mask so you'll be arrested for that. Compliance is not. It's it's not voluntary that's for sure in a totalitarian regime like China has yeah so the total number of deaths and mainland China is at least one thousand eleven now globally. A thousand thirteen people have died like you said just To Hong Kong and Philippines the other two and I saw that The good news is that a lot of these cases have spread beyond on China because of those Cruise ships. At least those are quarantined as well. Yeah and they just took another sixty five live people off the ship in quarantine because they were sick so every time they take somebody off the ship that resets the quarantine days goes back to fourteen days. Yeah they're gonNA be there a long time and they're going to be in Texas in Nebraska. That's you're keeping score at home going to be miserable so worldwide now. The number is Forty two thousand. Five hundred infected jess keeps going up and I concern and I don't know who to believe I I don't know if that's a real number or the number is exponentially higher than that like we saw with that website website. Mistake once Ten cent the Chinese website tencent Posted a number last week. This is early last week of one hundred fifty six thousand infected and twenty five thousand dead and then that quickly got pulled down and then they put back up the other numbers that we always you see now so I don't know if that was a momentary mistake telling the truth or if somebody screwed up could have been someone operating with Keith Math. That sounds like something I would do and then I would write down and go. Oh Oh sorry guys so we can hope that's what it is But we just don't know we just don't know right now triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three simplisafe home security. 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It's a recreated his vocal chords. It's that's the best he could do so universal noise breath just applies to so much. Let's see got this from Just to market much that lady's marriage to the ghost didn't last when he realized the vows were till death. Do US part already. Yeah because he was he was already dead Ed so if it was an old before it even started thought of that before you give a ghost as a wedding gift. Good question a toaster like you give everybody else you give them a toaster TRICIA sanders tweets. So I guess we can say that the woman Ostra in Australia. Australia got ghosted fail. Aw Aw and finally from celery stocker. The idiocy at the Oscars was UNIN. MISSED STAKE TO UNMASK STEAK BOWL. Yeah that's good. Who are the next episode? Little cousin bobby around the street joins our crew. They always had you know wants to sit com got old long in the tooth. We need a young young kid. Little Kid noxious neighbor Uber. Kids always busted it without knocking. That kind of thing and you're right the Brady Bunch really funny yeah Oliver in the Brady Bunch or you didn't Oh no you can't and then what. What did they do when the twins grew up on four house then they interject After the twins and they probably baby in there. I suspect I don't know yes you're right. They always have to write. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three just to follow up a little bit on the on the Y Y Trans Bowls by. They didn't recognize the fact. That Trans Bowls can him give birth to a mother of two from the United Kingdom who was rested arrested in two thousand eighteen for referring to a transgender woman. As a man in social social media is now on trial for it specifically for quote using a public communications network to cause annoyance inconvenience inconvenience and anxiety while if that's if that's a crime in the UK They're pretty well done right with with free speech you you are done. One of the charges was it caused anxiety annoyance convenience and anxiety. Exciting is probably the most legitimate of those the same society that dealt with the bombs that the Nazis were dropping day and night. Yes that also sprang frank. Edward Burke I mean really really but now I am annoyed and I having Ziobro. So let's arrest them. Three officers search detained. Kate scuttle of Hitchin Herefordshire yeah. They've got downtown. Names really do just too many syllables rested our at our home and questioned her at the police station December first of twenty eighteen over an exchange with transgender activists. Stephanie Hayden I was arrested in my home um by three officers with my autistic ten year old daughter breastfed twenty month. Old Son present. I remember this story at the time I was then. Detained for seven Hours in a cell no sanitary products which I told him I needed before being interviewed then later released under investigation was arrested for harassment and militias communications because I called someone out and mis gendered them on twitter at the time. She had her photograph. DNA and fingerprints taken and at Thorpe also took her let her cell phone and laptop into custody. Wow police commissioner said. Yeah we take all reports of militias communication seriously so now she's on trial for it. Can't what a depressing. Aw How Hayden said the defendant referred to her as he or him. Oh No oh no. Yeah but it also. It happened during a period of significant online abuse. So did it. We have some evidence for the court. Wow significant online online abuse their referencing. It makes they're talking about other people. Other people were abusing this Trans Person And then she she however committed the ultimate sin of birth improper Pronin Man. You can't use. Do you think you could just go ahead and throw out improper pronouns on the Internet no my friend you cannot and okay and see. That's the crime. Probably death threats or something like that and we're just like man yet. They called her him he. So Oh arrester gray where we give you traffic and weather together. Every seven minutes on the threes all day long. That's how much we care. Every seven minutes on the threes. You can count on. It doesn't matter what we're doing at the time. Bang ready to traffic and weather together. All threes every every seven minutes so hey we're joined by stupor gear of Stewart. Does America fame. Thank you and and you know super bowl trip every year fame. Yes and I. We haven't really talked on the air at least about how that went. You got tickets. I assume the yeah we go Did what did you finally get the tickets right before you left. You still hadn't Adam and that was on Thursday into the gate before the Super Bowl. There was not a sprint of the gate this year which was nice. I think buying among the Wednesday or Thursday you know we got really good seats But like we get good seats is a weird thing that happens now I the chiefs were a big part of this and that he had been to the Super Bowl in fifty years so all of their fans WanNa go assuming like I did when the eagles big time chiefs crowd. You're never going to see it again. Yeah it wasn't do. It was probably sixty forty that it was definitely achieved crowd. Yeah it was. I was great game But like when you have a city like that that hasn't been in the game in a while what you get is the get in price goes way up so like to get in the door to be in. The four hundred section section in the back is way higher than it should be but it doesn't inch up much past that. Oh really good seats bossier like well I can either. I mean look. I'm already spending a ridiculous amount of money on these tickets. Might as well spend a little more nice ones. Yeah so we want to get a little bit more you get. We were in like a club seat situation. It was nice. Yeah it was very nice like getting airfare the day you're going to travel it's you know you might as well spend fifty or seventy five or one hundred dollars more get first class you might as well just suck it up and go for it. Yeah you know you realize that you're in for this anyway you're already. They're not going to go to the game. You're combinations were also a little iffy you said before you left be AIRBNB. Is that what you owe all was so shading blatantly illegal airbnb me blatantly illegal really yes. This is hilarious. Think so because I'm looking at this and it's like this really nice place and it was. It was about the price of like what the comfort and would be You know what I mean. So you're like okay. What's going on but it's Miami? They built all these giant towers into the sky in two thousand eight everyone bottom autumn two on investments. And now. They're all like empty because they bought these things and they can't sell them any of those. So that's what I kind of assumed it was and it was true however it was a building that blatantly banned people from renting it on AIRBNB. Okay so like we had to like every time we entered the building say like Oh. We're here with Andrei It was so shady like every time we came back. We weren't sure if we're getting into the actual the apartment every time we have on it and so they obviously this has been a obviously a big deal at this apartment so the first thing we get there and we have have these little key-fobs so we can come in. You know getting back Li like you have to use a key FOB. To get up in the elevator is not intended to talking about. That's okay so after we see the sign that says they're installing biometrics into the elevators. So now you need fingerprints to get up because they know hello so we have to go in there and put ourselves on this guest list and talk our way in every time every time we had talk our way in that sucks but it was a spectacular view on And and it's funny like the only problem with it. was you get back late at night at these. These are knock knock. These are weekends that I could pull off what I was twenty five. Am Way too old to be doing these things and so we get it back very late and right around eight o'clock in the morning warning. This blaring music starts Polaris music. Like can't sleep. What is going on you look you look out there? And there's they're doing like a sound sound test at this little. We're above this little Dunno stadium of or not like a little music venue. Maybe two thousand people outdoor music adventure tied to the Super Bowl. It was super bowl. It was the Sunday service so the whole thing he's been doing so off. A couple of it was actually really interesting to watch. They went for like three hours of Gospel. Music and Konya doing his thing and like these events are crazy and there was people everywhere and it sounded fantastic. I really wanted to sleep through it but possible bow. Okay can't bring up a point here. I'm a little upset about sure. And you know we've been working there for a long time I feel like I thought we had a good relationship I I start studios America this week. Yeah Yeah and we're trying to like drop attention for get people excited about it And then what I hear that. You're totally overshadowing it with leakages. Ah That's early in the making and you made it another meek nick so we can have a week of America on his own for promotional because this is so time-sensitive time-sensitive broadcast add. This is what's so funny is. I'm actually going to say when the first leakages happened happened. I wrote the script for Valentine's Day of twenty thirteen. And we're sitting around here. Talking about a lot of people are asking for leakages. You could just again. I'm like Oh and I checked my email in sure enough. There was the script from seven years ago. Well it's perfect. Timing or apologies. It's time time-sensitive. Okay all right. That's what it was like time sense. I just don't understand you've had seven. Years could have picked any other time. No no seven years go. We plan for Valentine's Day twenty twenty the one that infringes around I should be clear. Your very candid about this. Though we get head of the show though yeah started on the blaze last night yes right yes. Please go subscribe. If you're listening to this podcast click over your podcast APP and subscribe free. Free Youtube America as well We're you know. Hey you know we're up to number. I think fifth. We're right behind morning. Joe Now on the podcast list. Nice which I really want this morning. Joe You will without that extra hour the ship I show we. We've had a lot of production issues. He's almost leakages level. How that goes? Oh Gosh it does We we were somehow able to pull it off in a few weeks rather than the seven years we. It was tough that you know went up a little bit late last night. So if apologize if you're right in that time we're we're still ironing out awesome kinks but showing off we did a a good Stu Does Bernie Bernie Sanders of the first model One of the things. I thought you'd like as we did this thing on hot hot girls for Bernie and it says group like suppose it hot girls and you know how hot the girls are that call themselves. Hot Girls Real hot girls. Don't call themselves hot girls right they. I'm not you don't need to tell you. Hot Girls for Bernie generally speaking not so hot but we thought it would be funny to to be doing another group and I think maybe we can make this thing trend trend today of hot dudes for Mike Lee Because I think first of all I liked that dude. WHO's calling us off? A hot dude should not be doing that. And secondly secondly thinking how uncomfortable Mike Lee will ball she's trending hot dudes for Mike Lee him so we'll uncomfortable that I just wanted to have been really badly so please tweet today with the Hashtag. Hot dudes for Mike Lee. I like that all right and speaking of Birdie is out your prediction for New Hampshire. I'm big on. I think he's on Bernie and New Hampshire remember number two. I think probably the judge number two. I mean I wouldn't be stunned to see. He warned number two yet just because remember she is still the a the polls have shown her and boom Relatively close yeah I I I wouldn't be stunned. It will be a very good result for her Then it would be a good result if you believe in this moderate lane. Which of course is a myth There isn't a moderate moderate right lane the Democrat not among those guys now these all but you know I think sanders will probably win. I think my belief is he's going to win by a relatively decent margin remember. He absolutely blew out Clinton in in two thousand sixteen by over twenty points. Yeah I was going to say twenty five thirty twenty two. Maybe it was over twenty. which yeah I mean that was destruction at the next door neighbor? So yeah you should win this. Yeah you know so it will be interesting to see I. I see on the back of key smarter over here. Kluber shower and third is that of Keith Prediction Keith. Prediction I mean. It's an interesting one I I. She had a good debate. That debate was a very bad for Biden and very good for sanders and very good for Bloomberg right. I mean I think like what. What is shaping up right now to me? Is Sanders winning tonight tonight. By a decent margin he was already probably the favorite in Nevada anyway. it's a caucus state You know it's a union state. We're just look that up this morning and was it Was Biden was in the lead. But there hasn't been polling there to tell there will be no no no polling since Iowa could help him a lot if he wins in Nevada. So let's say he wins. These first three pole. There's nothing fresh okay so you go and I think he base I think Sanders was actually the winner in Iowa. Buddha judge got great bump out of it but and he actually looks like he may technically win. One measure of the three measures they released but Bernie blew him out and the other two measures when it comes to the actual number claiming victory and they're both claiming victory so we'll call that one guy He's going to win New Hampshire. I think If he wins Nevada as well I think There's a new Quinnipiac poll out today. That showed all the the. The firewall of Joe Biden among black voters is completely disintegrated. He's twenty points among black voters already. So I don't think South Carolina is is a legitimate firewall. Has he lost the lead South Gerland It was it was a national poll among black voters he was he was down and Sanders is now in first place nationally If he's winning national he wants his first. I three states. I think there's a great chance. He wins South Carolina too. It's possible if no one can stop him there. It's just a firewall of Bloomberg. And here's this guy who's rising in the polls. He's way up. Remember what he had in that Quinnipiac poll. But he's up there in like third place. Now he's running unopposed and all these states for Super Tuesday which is a huge advantage for him and he's dumping money's spent his tried the same thing in Florida now now. Three hundred million didn't have the money. Yeah Yeah He. He's legitimately able to put this together. He's getting all the best consultants He looks like he won the the stupid Dixville Notch thing that they do every on the overnight of course he he's actually actually technically winning ballclub. Shar one that she won. The I think she won the entire state because There's three towns that do it okay. that dude midnight voting thing the Dixville Notch thing Bloomberg was leading both the Republican and Democrat on the ballot. Both both people wrote wrote him in on both sides who's actually winning. Both primaries for a moment got flooding. But I've been look he's going to try this and I think you know there's already leaked video coming out. Bloomberg is a disastrous candidate to. He's just it looks good. No one's been picking him apart right but he may be. The Democrats will only firewall against Bernie Sanders and there are a lot of Democrats in black. Voters liked Bloomberg in New York. He had a very he still has a good approval rating despite stop and Frisk and all those things that he's trying to make him out to be You know anti-black black. He had good approval rating among black voters so he may be the one guy that can stop sanders run to the nomination but missing. Those first four states is going to be very difficult to get to a majority majority and that's why it looks more and more like a brokered convention situations possible while that'd be something we haven't had a brokered convention since I don't know yeah I mean you've got to go back you know you're back decades on that sixties. Maybe not ran back here and look at the history on it. Because we're I think this is going to be one of the things we're going to need to be experts on it but it's more likely here than it was with trump and Cruz and all that going on this is a situation where you know for all the stuff that people saying trump was gonNA falter. Trump led the polls pretty much the whole time the polls were right on trump yes throughout the primary and everyone was saying they were wrong. Yes here. Thought they were. Yeah and here. The Biden polls did not hold up They're already they're already gone and I think there's a good chance if you want you got to. Clover shower is kind kind of your reach prediction here. You WanNa you WanNa take prediction for me is Biden drops out after New Hampshire after New Hampshire. You think I I'd say it's above fifty percent but it's not ten. I think he gets finishes fifth if Keith is doing here is right. which is Sanders Klobuchar Qatar? Warren's clearly forth there finishes fifth in New Hampshire I think he's dot that's fourth and fifth. I think he's done. Wow Finish Fifth Hampshire you got. There's no way he's going to win. South Carolina. I mean. It's over. Can you imagine how baffled he is but I mean he's baffled about everything he's gotta be really confused about this because is he really thought he was the guy he really did. He really firmly. I mean he's got an ego and he thinks yeah. I got this thing and you know what it was his lose. And that's what he he does best and he loses he loses is the best thing he does. He has lost his cool completely. Yeah you can't challenge him on anything without him going nuts. Yeah I think he. The first debate ain't remember how horrible he was. Yeah stumbling all over the place screwing things up. I think he could have had one bad debate. The problem never back and never had the good ones. Yeah you know. And he doesn't have a good moment anymore in the in on the campaign trail because he stumbling around staggering doesn't know where he is half the time it's bad bad bad for him all right so episode number to America Tonight Yeah we've got a lot election stuff or doing tonight Where to do some stuff on Greta tuned Berg which is on her? She looked credit. She's she's got a new show coming up. Do It's going to be It's GonNa be a lot of fun and subscribe on Youtube Subscribe on podcast Blaze TV all that stuff and we'll listen for anyone Some other programs coming up is something else janitor. Okay but is there a preview copy of leakages that I can check out and you got a cold and this is being kept under wraps okay. Very closely guarded her chest. It turns the election. Should I know definitely. Oh I think it will turn election by the way the most recent brokered conventions in history Both happened in nineteen fifty two on the Republican side. My boss imagine that recycle two broken in for the Democrats the Republicans. Well all right all right. Thanks to all right. Triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three ninety-three Let's see we've got to tell you about this Greta Thunberg TV show on the BBC. They're making the project would just announced I Yesterday there's no network yet released eight or number of episodes been set but they have decided they're gonNa Follow Greta around on her international the crusade and Washer do this climate change stuff. Let's the carbon footprint of this. Show that around a good question and I love love to know the answer to it As she travels Greta will meet not only leading scientists but political leaders and business heavyweights exploring blurring the scientific evidence with them and challenging them to change. How would you like to have a camera in your face while the seventeen year old girl is babbling to you about climate change? Go Away right me out of my mind. I thought we only had to worry about her when we had big. UN gatherings or climate gatherings not anymore Thunberg appeared in a video presentation last The Oscars the other night speaking on the power of documentaries in the clip. She had a conversation with David attenborough. whose a bit climate change guy? He he does all those documentaries on net flicks wearing he. You know narrates the animal stuff if it was just showing the Animal Kingdom Kim and all of that it'd be a great series but every time they gotta get into climate change but she says says David attenborough inspired her to participate in all the climate change advocacy. Not Wonderful Change is probably the most important issue of our lives. Hey Bob Assembly so it feels timely to make it authoritative series that explores facts and science behind this complex issue. The producer of the series said to be able to do this with Greta is an extraordinary privilege. Getting an inside view on what it's like to be a global icon and one of the most famous Amos faces on the planet in that wonderful that it's just wonderful. Just I'm not doing well today. With the news or laying down. I'm GonNa tell you it's crazy. It's been a rough couple hours for yours truly would you rather have her lecturers or Oj. Simpson who who would you rather. I think Jason either rather have OJ. Jason Lecture me then Greta Van Thunberg there you go again. He apparently is taking can issue with Gayle. King Gail did an interviews somebody on on Kobe Bryant former WNBA basketball player. I think uh-huh is Lisa Leslie uh-huh so she's talking to Lisa Leslie about. Kobe asked about the sexual assault so she's been hammered for even bringing it up and Oj Simpson had to sound off on it to the other thing is Kobe Bryant Gayle King thing. I'm not the objective guy when it comes to Gail Gayle King Due Years Back on national TV. She made a comment that it was inappropriate for me to be visiting my ex-wife grave something that the my family friends on special occasions birthdays and personalises stuck had done for years and I couldn't understand why it was any of her business and why she would say that on national national TV. Maybe 'cause you're I know about Kobe claim journalistic integrity people got journalistic integrity. Didn't feel that this was the right time to do that. they'll be plenty of time in the future to bring up all aspects of Kobe's life right now right now should be celebrating celebrating the greatness of Kobe Bryant. God bless Kobe and his family. Thank you I'm just saying he's saying take care he's just saying I mean. This guy is unbelievable. People can can you imagine the gym blitz of a guy who murdered his ex-wife and her friend almost decapitated happen them. Then you show better gravesite as a mourner. I mean if he did it and it you know everybody thinks he did. Eighty percent of America thinks he did. That is unbelievable that you would that you we try to pull that and further. Then he has the giblets to jump into a discussion about Kobe Bryant. I would think he would be more. Oj Loman Oh man below the key to just you know what I'm going to stay out of it you don't have to comment on the OJ. Thinks he does. Dot is incredible. I think what I pulled out of this other than the Kobe Bryant thing I think that's amazing gayle king bringing up that he shows up at a gravesite that is you know for most of us who believe he did it. That's incomprehensible how you do that knowing if he did that. He's he's the one who killed her. Wow How do you how do you live with yourself. Amazing so Uh glad he found time golf by looking at the costs so intensely on golf courses all over the world. Speaking of giblets got antifa videos in Portland and the way they conduct themselves and then they try to claim that they're they're the good guys. They're the antifascist. Really all right. Let's let's check this out They're gonNA shove this woman out into the street car. Yep Yep wow and apparently. They suspect her. She's a liberal. They threw out into the street. They suspected her of having called the police. And so that will earn you from ANTIFA being shoved into traffic. They're peaceful. Yeah that's a great group is the Peaceful Group of Protesters First Amendment Rights. What's your problem with that? They don't like Nazis Nazi's Keith. There why would you. Why would you hate them? Then there are some antifa people ashi seeing this crowd. Andy no he's always out there and here's what you got now. The police are showing up. We're not going to come out and say oh. So they're telling you. Hey Man we're not gonNA WE'RE NOT GONNA save you from Antifa eating and go somewhere else dude. You guys us but they come out with pepper spray. This'll probably be for Italy. We're going to be helpers for you. We don't your public property wait. I'm confused by the serve and protect thing on the side of your vehicle. That's the state of the Portland Police Force right there. They're not not interested. No thanks man that that's just craziness. I mean from my perspective. Obviously I'm not in Portland But just all the videos and all the information that you're getting out of there it just for my perspective Portland's Portland's not even part of the. US LIKE MTPA when whenever they control the city. That's their town. They'll tell you when you can drive your car through an intersection of the street. You can stand on. Yeah they will forcibly push you into traffic in. The cops won't do anything but again. That's antifascism yes. Yeah they're peaceful they're wonderful they're fighting for more. I will wait well fighting against installing against fascism fascism. They don't like they don't like it. They don't like Nazis. Well okay. Well then they are Nazis themselves. It's just it's crazy so this has been an uplifting hasn't it yeah like so many of the day's Hit is uplifting detail. Yeah I think we're we're good now gonNA guess already one here. Rake it out the booths early start to clock central Nice. Not that might be a wreck. It's not your record okay. All right well. They remind the early teatime once. Never Mind Right. We'll be back tomorrow. Jeff he'll be here. Chew the fat yeah.

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Top 5 Comics Podcast - Episode 141 - Ranger Slayer

Top 5 Comics Podcast

2:09:53 hr | 9 months ago

Top 5 Comics Podcast - Episode 141 - Ranger Slayer

"Hey. This is Jason Metcalf cover artists resented scope white widow persuasion and more. You're listening to the top five comedy. Mom. A man. Top comments podcast we'll talk about comics pop culture in advance with us today, we have the master disaster cash forty five. And CBS. which be me? Hey as. See, they were going to be doing number one, hundred and forty one. As we are rare absorb killing world coming everything down crazy comics. Stop sort of. American. While nonsense. anyways were going over the green. Lantern Ethan Sri issue. And there will be over the power rangers road to Ranger slayer. The Africa of the Review Book. From, boom. Comex. fairmount stories. Going to open up with a little bit news there Johnny News there. I do but want to see what's the news I mean we can with some news. Talking. Bree Larson is. Doing some stuff where she want be this is now in the news at this randomly caught up and just now. SHAPE. She wants to be seamless Hirsch shameless for much metro and she's Same as she wants to do something with like she wants to play that and so she kind of like made a fan or impose on thing and she wants to play that character interesting. So speaking of news today Interesting. Santa's from metro shame, wrestler, or Irish Guy. But Samsung. Okay. I. I guess I can see that share. I haven't seen that bischoff drive looking fine. That's cool. So I got a little bit of stuff. As far as. Well With I. Okay. We'll go this. I discuss Snyder's announced. He's stepping away from doing central main continuity stories for DC. Will Be. Doing more with his. Own Crater own stuff. In properties. So we He mentioned witches, and undiscovered country. But I guess he's planning to move over it's more of his his own crown stuff new little bit less over DC. His His contract is exclusive contract in Iraq he thousand nineteen. So. As a thing, he says, don't these DC or anything, but he's taking more backseat Navy hails mentioned American pie or maybe coming back with that's been a thing for like. Five years or maybe coming back. Sales that means after death metal ends which that feels that happy through as we're doing this episode. In it could easily be. Realignment everything so we'll see. So. That's interesting. I mean, Snyder's got a lot of power of DC and he's not a lot of really big things in writer. Weisman. Good. I mean, we talked about employee on the Shell. So as a as a thing that's interesting. Be. To see where that leads I. Guess. There's a new AVATAR air bender book coming out the place between obviously. Air Vendor and? To Cora is going to be called tough bay phones medal-winning. Academy's going to be all about talked teaching other people middle bending. Because by the time Len core comes comes around a multiple you how do metal bending a lot of police force basically so At that point select somebody has. Top. Todd everybody had to do that. So it's GonNa be a book sensual central laying. Around that let school. as far as like other pieces to you recently, Netflix put on all their carabiners stuff. So He's been another certain of sort of in the world because of that, which is cool but also the. Legend corresponds to go on their. Beginning of August. So I'll be on there as well which. Cause personally News, but leading the core stuff started really cool. Then it got real weird I wasn't a fan of the end of it. So I never saw them. Before, I got into spear world and speared bending and things, and all ever just got not as good. That they went a little out there. Sure. Stay calm things that are weird is join agent per second because I don't his all hell bloom last three weeks has been about this in the news. So he had a couple of writers get themselves in trouble for misconduct. Worn Allison Cameron Stewart. It point there's a whole. There's a whole thing out there about it, and that's about all I want to say about running whatever. He got game. You don't hear game. There's only so much. The both were wrong what they were doing, but the same timeline. Would you expect? Nights. Alright. Save on that. Does, make him horrible writers doesn't doesn't change some of the stuff they need is great. So everybody makes. Mistakes. S. Doesn't I'm not absolving them but at the same time, it's like I've heard enough care anymore. It's the I. Know It's wrong. I to have done wrong price partly despicable. By the same time. People put themselves in that situation with them. So you know predators, predators, man whatever. Anyway So many cool. The artist Apollo can't remember his name Quia Sequeira. It's s I. Q. U. E. I R. A.. he posted what would have been the cover for amazing Mary Jane Number Ten and is freaking awesome. It's a mash up of like star wars inspiring Mary Jane. It's it's awesome. He's got a posted up on the Internet with a bunch of places now, but if you haven't seen thing. Just look from as Mary Jane Cover Ten for the unreleased. Amazing Mary Jane. Series. At this point we think is. If it moves for is going to be digital only which speaking of digital only. So this is Kinda. Cool. So I know a couple of says, back we talk Hawkeye era is somewhere I talked about everybody in the store probably. to Hawkeye freefall number four or number five and six were. Initially cut from the roster to be made digital only, and there was no expectations to print it to finish it. We also saw that other books star in Ravenscroft in an in the wasteland well as Oh, maybe like two weeks ago. Reappeared on the Don, the marvel to print list. So marbles made the decision after the digital digital that or digital access them about two months ago to go and put them anyway. So I don't know if that's because it's all test. Or if it was because of. fanzine upset about certain books. There's a couple of haven't seen come back yet but as a thing was I was super surprised. That's really cool. I think that's neat as far as things that are being printed again so Either fans of those series is, Hey, you're gonna be able to get them to the series. Print wise. So. It's been an ongoing argument of who should be the successor to the cow and and then the latest episode spoiler. As she actually is Red Hood outlaw number forty, seven Jason Todd takes a massive step. Forward is a leader in becomes kind of the less angsty less angry less. Abusive punishing violent person kind of becomes a proper leader Kind of the you find deserves even though he's he himself says that the most perfect Robert in the greatest successor to Batman Jason Thomas said this that he thinks that it is tim break Obviously, we know that His his take on the cowal. So has Damien at one point for a small bidzos Azriel but It's I mean this is kind of. A big article about it which Kinda assist. Maybe finally coming into his own and I do I do Kinda like his relationship with with Tim? Him In him the most as far as closeness between the Bachelor of. The to the Tim's close to everybody kind of an imaging. Connection I. Mean. I. I know that Damian and Dick Really Close for some reason. It's like big brother little brother thing. But like Damian kind of does respect him a little bit. Fell after trying to kill him. I mean there's a whole run, a Batman, and Robin we have our bright Grayson was Batman. Right and Damien was robbins that whole dynamic. If, they could bring back that as a dynamic duo kind of book. Fantastic but. We're so far down the road now with all its rick racist stuff which is just. Aggravating run I don't know. We'll receive that particular version of of the duo again I mean. At some point though fixed Grayson and I guess we'll see what happens they haven't. He slowly they kind of. Kind of. Fixed him Tim leave ironed out the. Scientists most of them, eighty percent of him. Yeah. which when he was at one hundred percent, he was amazing. Sure. And I think that like maybe. I don't have all the proteges. They'll have they're all. They're all like they're all percentage of what Bruce is. Bruce's all the things and I think that like honestly when it comes to pure shear finding skill. and. Cassandra, CAIN would be. The greatest fighter Scher you know when it comes to dislike. Acrobat natural ability like Dick Right when it comes to the appear rage in like Brochure Jason for sure you know like you know the detection skills, it's Dick her arming Tim Tim one, hundred percent tim has detected skills. Leaps and bounds of everybody. Else cry. And it just like. I don't know that just like they all kind of have. Damian Damian's a little different disappear. He's a mixed bag of everything but also a lot younger he's you're. full on the kid but he's a he's he's definitely gifted. Gifted but he's just like he's he's like. He's like. He's I. Think he's Bruce. But brought up privilege and like anything he deserves everything. So he's he's GONNA be humbled by everybody else which is cool. I mean when when dating for Schemer like this is stupid because I have such Tim Tim royalist by. Damian being having to be like discounting humbled as is a like. Wow. Was He ten, twelve, Thirteen Malians boy who knows how old heroes young you know and it's just like that's what my biggest. I mean not to get massively deterred by the super sons thing when like. When John came back and he was like. Older, a little bit as man that's what was cool about that because they were both the same age, and now like three both the same as they how you're GonNa fix that right mounds were just moving forward. So one of the teen preteen Adalah I'm disappointed. Now was all weird in there. That that navy because of other things that they are planning to do that at this point seem to not be real things anymore. Encounters backs and he's Ryan So. For sure. we'll speaking of lying batmans stuff that has new Jason Todd. So DC comics announced within the next animated movie short supposed to be in. It's a death in the family. But with a pickup path option meaning that while you watch it, you will make decisions. By choice of movie. That afflict whether Robin dies outcome in. Yes. Just like back in the day when the book is originally made the voting. There's a whole thing which I'm sure I know we've talked about on the show before his like hundred episodes ago. There original days a fallen QVC special shopping network and whenever sold most is what determined whether he lived or died and granted now. Because people were like. They'll never do it has a good possibility that that's what people thought but back then anti heroes burnt on what they are now like there's so many anti hero characters anymore. and. Back in those days the idea of A. Robin questioned that man people were just not okay with and the style of hero. Hadn't shift the wind has now. So it was definitely a different kind of thing back in those days an. Hated him whereas because then thinking they do it either way it ended with, of course, the death. His now, we're going to get an animated out of that which. Idea there's two versions, the ending and like different pieces that Geezers Pos be multiple choice options to during it is what it means sound like. But the idea that's being turned into animated anything Kinda crazy. So I think that's cool. I guess we'll see you what that winds being when it finally drops but. But. Yeah. You basically the pick a path make your choice for how it ends so. Crazy. I think is Neato. what's up? What's a movie that came on Netflix? I'm bird. SOM- Jabber walk. Was that what's called? Sure. Yeah. It's not just the spectacle chevaux walkie Shabbir walkmans called bird bird something. Now, there might be a different one. Temperatures Jackie has a lot of different choices. You can make an supposedly effects that come in the movie, but all of them, it only affects it. I'm pretty sure thoughts called. Pretty sure. Don't file because I. Don't know for sure I am pretty sure has what they call it though. 'cause I might think from the poem Vampire Learn High School Bander Snatch Nandor Snag Jabber Joaquin Fans. From home now, same poem. Some of the same limerick. But it's not. The same limerick different words from the same like. The Jabotinsky the band is not the same thing. Now, they're in the same palm, you know. One, hundred percent. I'll find you the polls you I can't remember. It's been I can look of the JEB walkie poem right now. I'm pretty sure the banner snatches in that. Pretty. Sure. Pretty sure. So, it's next on the news That's all I really have man of just talking about things that are just disgusting and. Dirty men taking advantage of. The fact that people expect favors from them. Because I mean what he expects among that. That's pretty much all got. Free comedy. SORTA happening room. Books of Indian released to stores that were bought back in. March and April for the event in May So there's those of Slovene released to stores to give out to restore store bought into doing free comic day like us. They use leader, those recombination be throughout this throughout the summer and. Less of a one day event more of A. Medial help with covert I guess is the real answer. Know all about that part of things of what the decisions were. But yeah so it's it's happening just not the same way normally happens. which is how we have the Rangers. Sleep Book. Say. The Jabber Walk my son, the jaws that bite the claws catch beware the judge Joe. Bird shun the freeness bender snatch boom any told you. I remember some stoppages muddled in there with time. What's the bird box one, the birdhouse or the bird something one I have? No. Idea who's another lighters movie called box is where like you can't look at anything yeah. Yeah. So Sandra bullock whereas nickel blindfold and they came at the same time right I. Don't remember that is not a movie ever watched neither. Didn't watch either actually. I did watch the called Jackie walkie. Now. was of the Jabil Vander Snap Anderson and watch banner snatch and then I watch the video they had all the banners such pieces collected. We can think Buddy Tyler for that And there's only like it's weird like the little differences but. It wasn't like Oh everything's completely different. So you have the watch it three or four times even notice that I think. Anyway be seen. So is the thing. That's the poem. Everybody throws talking about our. That's one part of yeah. Anyway. I'll bet I'll have news. Yes. Someone else over there. I don't think so I think. Says some mouse. Also. So Ross yesterday was telling me about his a couple of. One shot comics to come out to precede the. King Kong. God's Ella movie released to the were King Kong Zoa. Thirty putting out a couple of one shot issues to receive the money. So what that means exactly I don't know. He was talking about the other day. Now, I am trying to tell you about I don't remember what was involved in that. So I get for film but. T for try. Umbrella Academy. Season two, starting out the boys seized you I think he's actually end of this month or maybe weekend actually. Wow the boys is starting makeup. Yeah. They're supposedly getting a third season to so. A man. Cobra Kai if you like. Crunchy hit you definitely should. Take them up. So one and two or supposed to be on Netflix soon, a Finan already, and then like third season, which has been filmed Murray. Will be I'm not sure whether in a release it but. It'll be on that flakes, which is cool. I just want to see it was fantastic I mean I could get. I mean I'd be like. Here seventeen dollars and forty seven cents a my money. Sure let's put it on the first few seasons. Great. Yeah. So I, just WANNA see him. So they've already been filled. So many's release as I. Think. Netflix saw something. Awesome. So hopefully, it goes in a good place in like actually continuous seems like when Netflix does something and tastes something like they let it do its thing. You know like the kind of carry on they don't they don't cancel too early. So I kind of given. Hope to the fact that is on Netflix now sure. 'cause like the youtube red thing was. I wish platform they were trying to do something new. It was the only show of all shows are like. Were trying to watch right a lot of the rest of it is I mean there's other streaming services that have really good shows that I don't utilize which like the Amazon. Amazon prime. Stuff on like shirt for the good to there's so many I disliked. Look where to my put my hands just like I don't know man there's just too much. Sure. So candidates pick and choose what things cool and I. Grew Cobra Kai so. Hopefully put out soon heavy awesome man delorean. Darn. OBI Wan Kanobi like a thing. It's already like goes resource and I know that they announced that He Landau show we'll be undesirable. What's his name is supposed to reprises role time Billy Dee Williams we kinda young Landau. Brown. Okay. All right. I like him to what's his name Tata's guy that he likes the guy that rat tallies Gandhi now. That's the rap name. Him He's. Prices rose as Lando. Code Donald Glover Valve are. So high school danny grabs coming back and is different Danny Glover. I don't think there's whole for this man. Movie. Abby. Awesome. I. Don't know what the movie called. I'm tool for this. I mean that he's doing they're doing another one which there is talk show they should why not I doubt agree agree it's about time. Mel Gibson which rant and rave about things is making a second passion of Christ which is really always not making siegelman not a real thing I'm pretty sure He need to quit believe everything you read on the Internet. Sometimes you this, you just hit the nail head. You're like jam walkie thing better snatched. That's at the same poem like. Okay. You're right and then sometimes you just like. The aliens they could barbecue for the next door neighbors that never happened. Yeah. Did from foreign countries. So they did know yes. On home hundred percent the alien grades never who barbecue for anybody I never gray the cat's just like. Come on man. Gross a okay. That's that's the whole point. Okay. The cats because the like Alf. Melnik. I me I know who you're talking about. But I. Still don't think listen food. Will? Say. Now, it doesn't matter how how plum they cabins get more plump. gooding and there has grown up. That's fine. A. Terrible. SEGUE. For anything really. mean. Barbecue right removing some books. Are. Before we end of the books before I, even talk about anything. The first book that we're talking about is massive because. We do a thing you. Actually, reconstruction and it is a youtube show. Where we go and we construct in action figure on a weekly basis, allegations, show you on. So this week we have a really really really really amazing. One is the Rangers slayer Kimberly so you've never watched power rangers are never don't care about anything vow arrangers this is going to make any. At all I, mean, I can't really explain it to you and like enough words, it's basically teenage voltron. Live action. Most, people were probably wear the power rangers where they knew the nuances are not. So the things cool about this like even view only the characters colors and you never really paid attention the very, very, very original pink power ranger when it first came United States right her name's Kimberly yet. So in this story that we're getting ready to tell you. Tommy, the Green Ranger, he's the really cool guy with the pony tail and becomes. He's the Green Ranger he's evil. I becomes good. Then becomes the White Ranger. Then he actually goes on to lead the power rangers becoming the Red Ranger and later on down the line and becomes a couple of other ones. But anyway, Jason Frank seasonable lifestyle ranger and he's awesome in actual real life fighter too. So he knows his stuff. So Kimberly, the pink ranger she gets so Tommy. The Green Ranger. POSSESSED BY READER PULSA TO INFILTRATE The power rangers and destroy them from thin. So he actually breaks free of that with Zorn's help and you know it's free of that and whatever, and later on the guy because the guy. So then in this, there's a universe that exists in a multi verse situation in the Power Rangers. Wear. He never breaks away kills Rita and then he takes the. White. Power as well, and then he takes the coins from all the power rangers in this called the coins universe where. He's wore drake on from that's where the story takes place. Right I. Will be spoilers. This is written by Dan or by a Ryan. parents. Part Pri Ott sorry. And then a arts, we have Dan Maura and we have A. Land. Did the the middle part of it? So majority of it's Dan Mora. But there's to order some book so. Yet is this is the free comedy previews was the road. Ranger slayer because this book precursors actual one shot issue is a big eighty. And it's a big one. Is like an eight dollar book of school? Yeah. It's yeah. It's it's it's a big issue but she basically her own giant one shot book this the precursor that. So which is also what ties into this this week's episode action even instruction of character we're talking about. This year is on believable says he likes figures in any way shape or form check out the episode in Oslo could figure because we got lucky and found on the shelves yet to find another one of her and you can find our line stuff sonic super chase but like it's a brilliant figure man. In the sick this scale like it's brilliant figure and she threw unbelievable colors everything. So I'm stoked on his book I'm stoked on all that stuff. So Yeah Ready Church. So Book Wise. We we open up in this. After Tommy's already collected all the coins from the coin lists. So he's taking everybody's. Power Coin, which again, you not power rangers. Person has nothing listen transform so. He's collected all those made him. Super super strong because now uses album. And in the process of all that happening, he's basically built himself a small army dress very much like power rangers have full on uniforms were no coins is crazy weapons and they all work for. Tommy and Rita as we believe initially. and in our small group of people that are still running around trying to fight like resistant style. In the power rangers we had to wait originally started out his the individually Kinda nerves comic relief. Yeah. Bulk and skull well bulk he is. One of the few is still around and helping train and rescue people save them from being taken him imprisoned by Tommy and his army. And we're in the middle of him at risk trying to rescue couple ladies an older man. And of course, surrounded by a batch of the US Marine type. Army from Tommy. And they are. Trying to make the decision what the Army basically tells them that Oh let's resistant resistant. We're going to shoot you. An Well, it turns out. Kim's also their issues following the same pack of soldiers. So. You don't fall mine right or they just don't care they kill you. So she takes out with arrows, of course, because that's her other weapon was. Yeah she bring which rules all situation rescues everybody, and then they proceed before one of the other hideouts So she helped save all them hate her in bulk at this point developed a a pretty bake traveling friendship. very different than where things Ratna Shell when this world is also fry them line, then a lawyer series is were so were. Several. Years down the line. So as not high school aged anymore everyone's in their late twenties. Rb Twenty s mid twenties. Anyhow so as we move forward. We get all the we have this other group of people and deliver them to the the hiding base, and once we get there. We find out that. One of the previous characters in the series Matt. He's there. He's really bad off like missing hand like he's just got. beat the hell out of and he's managed to get here with a few people but because of the way things happened. They're pretty sure people got followed and so with that in mind they decide they need a vacuum everybody to trainees location where we said he was never arranger. Ranger, he was Kim's boyfriend in the show and the says prior to. Becoming a power ranger, the much began powertrain power ranger. They're all the secrecy. So he was the boyfriend that became I'm late to a date. So thing Mary Jane Peter Parker. Prior to pius she becomes Tommy's girlfriend later on she does yes after Matt's scoring so badly by. Causley being let down and constantly being like, why are you lying in? The ICU PLACES YOU'RE LYING He has no why eventually he figures it out. All he really wants is for the admit the truth because the whole group will not tell him the truth 'cause I mean they're sworn to secrecy. Blah Blah. So both sides makes sense and he kicked GonNa pay. While you're lying to me saw him out. And that eventually drives into the arms and Tommy because you know he's there he's a new guy. So Matt was the boyfriend that she couldn't tell the truth to win thus ruin their relationship Josh. so He's a long lost love for her and this particular Universi-. Tommy never turned out to be a good guy never got better. Than of the to them being a thing because of that is not a good idea for. Whereas the show playoff slightly different and in the comics to your Munich layouts different. For this uniform or this universe that's who he was anyhow he warns them that. Of course they're they're coming in so. She winds up for you tried to escape and sends them to Trini who was the Yellow Rangers Domicile. Ease the rangers had their own like weird outlet posted to keep people safe and that's what trees is whether she says all these people. And she after Matt passes away she decides she's done. She's killed Tommy or Laura Drake on as he's called. Universe. 'cause she's done she him there's no save him. She's done and she scenarios along their way and off she goes in bulk is well. She's die because that's the only option. On this leads to you know the folly of her shifting. Because at this point, they're all pretty sure that Rita's still around and at Tommy's still. Sort of working rita. We find that fairly quickly. That's not the truth Tommy Killed Rita he's taken over magic after learning magic and knows how to use her spells. The same woman turned him to what he is. And he effectively used on. Kim. and. That is how she becomes the Rangers Layer. And then he sends her packing to go hunt down who's left. And that's where a lot of the rest of the fall of the book happens I. Mean She shows up. Huge trees hiding place and it was like Oh did you kill him? You're the factor live. You Must Kill Them. She's like Oh. Don't worry about that. Where's where's the pairing? And like heard Psalms Weird choir is all green blowy. And of course, from their, she just reveals the truth is and. Sets up a showdown with her in training and while that's going on. Basically they tricker in. Balk gets everyone else out in the almasy away for the most part. At least throwdown between pink and yellow, which is pretty cool. The Art Books Great and if I sequences pretty cool. anyway by the end of the fight. was realized the mistake she made by letting them walking away. and. This is of that. She's never let him get away again and then from there alludes the idea of. She Win Basic Body Count rhymes like a prequel book to a lot of things that happen already. Yes. He's a prequel stuff happened in shattered grid, which shattered we find out. She was range later reason. That's what she she was called that for a reason. So body count by her hands without her really wanting to. BE A mind control so right she. Like, does like Tommy was questionable stuff is done I can read it like mentality Tommy the same. Yeah. Same thing. anyway, the book basically ends with early on are in honor back in the field after she's broken the control because we skip from the end of this, she's is the full on arranger slayer. To the aftermath of the first event with Drake on. So in order to iron all that out part of what happened in the story line shatter grid, which if you read, that is fantastic. Power Intra person is really really it's a good series. Great. But not that series. When she encounters the angel. Grove kids easily herself and the team prior to any of the stuff happening in a universe where Tommy never went bad. They're able to break control the read had over Tommy. So. As thing or break control Tommy had over. Kimberly. So actively we have to Kim's and then whole pack of the friends have which she killed, but it helped they're all there for her to be able to break control goes when you. Called shattered grip because winning kill somebody. Basically fractured time. So as fractures like so there's multiple multiple of multiples Kinda even when they. Yeah. It's his. Cool version of time travel I mean the closest thing to be sorta with a doing and have injures. An injury never explain it in a waiting eight cents. He tried to, but they basically play by to different rules on moving. So. Anyway, if you're a new like any, if any, this is a lot like. Kung Fu karate swords in big MACs and fighting in. Crazy. Darkness like an Awesome Anna it's it's. Like sky. Be Mixed. Three things together. You make saved by the bell with Voltron. Than you made it like a rated R.. Slash, Yuji Thirteen inch. Violently violently in a good in all in a good way, say if any SS sounds sounds cool you, this is a Freedom Day book, pick it up awesome growth it but then like just I'm empowering his generals like it's been kind of like a joke careers like some people love us and we all dome and Mary but it's like it's The comics take to the next level like people who loved loved the show I can stuff it just made it just awesome. Right when there's there's so many different like. Versions of the Power Rangers as as time moved on and things different character. So like they all kind of make an appearance like if at any point you like I like power Rangers Zeo and you're like, what's that like? Ma, if you don't know what it is. You'll fit right in. But if you do not it is it fits in somewhere because all this characters kind of have a place, the way glee shadow grid that with different time flames and different pieces of time. Yeah. It's. It's surprising. How many of the different versions of the show is every generation? There's a new wave of kids to take over is the power rangers and that's how they move forward unless you're telling me of course, he's just been empowering his whole life. In real life to. Why does he need to do how many he doesn't have to? Because he does such a good job To on the I'm not talking to leave bad kind of I do wish she didn't charge so much money for pictures has true. That is true. He's actually fairly nice guy. I mean one few press junkets we got to do like two years ago was with him and he was actually really breed. He's into all of us. So I turn like everyone makes mistakes in the after wall due to break into a commission to try shoot him which is really weird but as it. Oh. Yeah. Though young remember this. No. Okay. Since years back the scabby me three well, it doesn't matter how long ago. There was a fellow who broke into the. Arizona COMECON. Sort of dresses, the punisher nyc sort of like a back is play. But his intent was to. Get Revenge on the Green Power Ranger for some slight against him he believed existed of course according Jason David Frank said, he doesn't remember visiting guy. And I mean Byun enough conventions with Jason, does do a lot of mentions. You've easy to somebody and people always take your bad days. They're bad day and the problem. The Dude was definitely off-balance. Anyway that's why all the rules for 'cause play weaponry changed about two years ago. Because of that. Anyway noodles caught he He was texting the girl a bunch of pictures of all look at all these fake cops, all these people they're not going to do anything to stop me in any way she freaked out and so she. Alerted people in that. Got Him caught so What happened nothing security changed that commissions so much so that a lot of commissions allow particular type COSBY weapons. So if you're 'cause player person Managers Matthew Stirling his. Twenty five and a half years in Arizona State Hospital he yeah he's. He's touched. Spouse. So that was a whole thing anyway. Yeah. Shape the way certain things are handled at certain conventions. Yeah. For sure. There's IT's. Funny but this is name was having the same time. So Chris, when the guys in the store he taken his Cap America, she'll be signed by. Thank it was Asian Colson. Show. Can who was at the show? There was a couple of anyway it's a full on crops. It's not. AIDS an expensive big one in their heavy new travels at in box. Anyway the first day no problems got to his AKI. Cash. So you brought to get Saima whoever? It's actually pretty impressive. The Shield itself he's less valuable than autographs on it. He's got of the avengers I'm thinking only had doesn't have to. He's got stand there because he had. He's had it all source and past it's really pretty impressive like it's a isn't present work that he has managed to collect. but the second day, the was act that happened and also mayor. Not, okay with the idea that coming inside and have you seen riser. To. Be Okay with it which is. Ridiculous I off because if you're gonNA, throw the thing. It's it's not gonNA do anything. No, it's yeah it's it's. You'd have these Stanley. Literally have to be Cap America. It's ridiculous. Anyhow but there are other rules that have been changed because of that he narrow. So it's crazy how they suffering like the lightsaber. It depends on the show initially, there's a bunch of shows no men since then we've seen even bats that were real million bats plastic until no, it's it's not. About barbed wires per the worst thing house truly agreed with the Denver Comic Con. Saying Year only a couple of months. Later we had kids dressed as negroes. Who is a kid like Ano- they're probably in their early twenties. All, they can bring their bat in our real bounty about it. And then the next day full on adult male like. Late thirties forties freshest nagin pretty good. Lookin', even actually with a full-on would back with his nails and everything had thought. One Who's in charge now mayor what's going on? Because Joel who helped me work at that frontier? Connie. Joel if you're listening. Hey money. we laugh to go outside and put away in cashbox off and take care of pieces that you don't want carry around with. You go back for their costing contest he was carrying his thermos a little metal. Water bottle and the guy the doors like he can't bring that in here and he's like Oh poor doubts finds his lotto. was like Oh if my booze. Now, if you'd be a weapon and we both lifted, them said UCR, Exhibitor Manages we worked here all day. He's had it all day. Let me my supervisor theme is later. Lee. Just. Oh. Hit anybody and we're like you kidding. Oh. My God, it was the most aggravating thing ever. Anyway. But you know everyone's be Save Ritz Faina. COMECON stories how miss you comic. Anyway. As far as book Josh Score for the Three Combat Day powering story. you now. I'll good a foreign half and here's why I get for half. The the art chain in the middle. Was Odd and I and I know that it's a free. Day Book but it goes back so it goes like Boom boom boom. And it was really really fantastic and like weird for Free Comic Day stuff. It's like. Usually it it. They do like the kind of the Kennedy Juna something Kinda. Cool. gets but is mostly cheap nightly trying. As Much Bang for the buck can for small amount of thing, right? But with this one was like it was a full book. So. The fact they change the art in the middle for some reason it wasn't bad it was. It was an odd change isn't it goes back to it Ryan so I was like, why didn't they run with it? Why soon at the time is probably a deadline thing and then the Kobe part of it of course Katie three months. At that point I can go back to a discriminatory done. That's my assumption as. A point five because the Arthur switched to isn't bad are no exist. It's just not the same. Yeah are so like it's still a really good book like as a regular issue, it's something really worth buying chur and the fact that it's for free season better really cool and gives you like a backstory on a really read character and so what's going on this and like that stories ongoing it's not done with it's kind of done. Empowering is still going, but it's like it's not done right now. So it's going to be an ongoing thing. So We're GONNA get a shift in Rangers in Guy volume is and I don't know timmy part of that or not, but there is going to be. You said, the Rangers player became our last week. There is a three part miniseries which are bigger books also for. Calm, which is supposed to be I guess when that ends, that may be at the scene arranger slayer. Even has better ranger slayer Does does because we need a new green ranger in the new series when they volume is I, don't know how many kids will be left alone remain a new green ranger. That's what they're saying some new green ranger we'd never seen before so. Be The next step forward just like the TV shows when Reed when rebrand for new series we knew classic kids. I assume it's GONNA be the same idea but they say new Green Rangers. So I don't know in. Sakhalin. What that means is Tommy White Right I assume that this may very well be whoever took green after him and I don't know what shows enough to know that again which I remember green from other series, but it was in the same Kinda greenbrier dislike. They decided have green this this this time around it you know. So I don't I don't know again like you said, we're not sure how that's GonNa go being comics. It's a hold of me because I don't think there's a show currently. Not that I'm aware of, but like the car is can do whatever they want. It has been like all sorts of different stuff like Jason the original Red Ranger. The rangers originally and he's like. Comes back to like this all these different resurgences. I duNNo. Like they can do all sorts of cool stuff. Right and the most stories have been comments in his particular around coming out from Abu. Studios lows has been really good. I mean there's a little rocky patch right after shattered grid and it's not it's really bad. It's just shattered. was you so freaking good. He made the rest of it sorta relevant what particular writer that's bad about people but that Britannia writer occasionally lands weird on stuff so and they do do like really cool intermittent varying covers and show and A. Whole batch of them in the fall covers and they're not like they're not super Gosh goodbye nine hundred issue like. Our they do this really cool issue covers. So it's NEAT I like it I like I like what they're doing I think it's really cool like they took. They took a property that was kind of like. Campy like made it. Really serious. Awesome. is like that really crazy fan made youtube videos about fifteen as long as. With the with the reconnect really Dawson Creek right and it just reminds me of that and it's like it's whoever miss a part of that might be part of this. Some. Research. I don't think. So but what it maybe as writers may have driven, this actually is you know it's crazy. I'll tell you this speaking in this has to accomplish a little bit because one. I've mentioned saved by the bell once already Ryan but also there's also saved by the bell comics. There is there's a new podcast coming of came out started this week called Back Zach to the future and it's a saved by the Bell re-watch podcast with. Mark Mark Pug Ostler and then if anybody's been on facebook, everybody's seen it it's it's the arm from funnier die the Zack Morris is trash stuff. I am. Not Zach. Tran, which is guy who took these save bill episodes, White Ones Zach like super horrible stuff and legs like oh so this episode everybody goes to party and everybody gets drunk. Zach decides to Dryden screeches sober and he says he sobers crashes until from pole and then he makes everybody lie about it Blah Blah Blah then the Zack Morris is trash Badzak of a person Zach is so that guy like got a job with Funnier funnier front and wrote this like when you first get into the business, they make you like Hannah. Fake script for something show how good your screen light and so he wrote a script the bell, and then he started doing Zach, strache stuff and. Now kinda of his with all that stuff made friends with mark. Paul. Guzzler and like because now, there's a saber, the bill like resurgence coming out a new series coming out and he's Markazi Zach again but he's the governor of California or something and Jesse in slater you know their Mortgage Bayside. Now, which way how Zach is the governor, but everybody else is like just high school teachers but anyway, whatever the screeches in they're. Not Different Wise jail now can I definitely not so anyway? Yeah he's doing porn in and so. That's what he does is porn. On the. least as one thing. So anyway like. Taking something that's really ridiculous. Taking fans who love those things and like expanding on them like an writers and things like love old classics stuff and like the just making awesome is still giving. They're not taking changing the so drastically, the it's not it's not familiar, but they're taking it because they loved so much. Dan and they're like and this guy like he loves say whether they'll so much any like made the same like. He was Kinda worried I probably Herbie's mark all GonNa hate this thing because it's a com zach trash but like you know more causes like dude, I think it's hilarious. It's awesome and Markle's gospels never went want his his whole theory things. He never re watches anything that he's in he watches it like the scenes that he's in sucked like when you need stupid on that he's leaves it and he moves on 'cause he wanted to do online and so he hasn't. Seen these episodes of saved by the bell for thirty years that's hilarious and so like that's what his podcast about county is. Cool. It kind of reminds me of like the power rangers step just like it's people who people writing this. They're not just like brand conflagration bombs GonNa right to sing as a job I. think that people truly love the power rangers. Scher. As just like is something that was campy cheesy because they took a show that was different in Japan. And they took all the action, the costume scenes, and then added these like American teenagers in the mix them together and it's like it's not the same show. And so. then. They made something really cool out of it the and so it's it's I mean. Japan's very different, very more serious narcotics kids show if not out of control, but it's More is the same more serious. Yeah. It's crazy. Anyway, bookworm give it a four. I dig it. I dig this whole Ranger slayer. Her punk rock is so freaking. Awesome. So yeah, date they keep saying on there but I don't things is like that Punk Rock I. Think she over earrings and you're crazy hair is awesome Sir Harry. PUNK rock. Anyway so move onto the green lantern eat anniversary issue. So this is a big stick with this mine law short stories, and he just like DC down at the last three or four anniversary type books Saddam for Ashra Don. Why we didn't wonder woman wasn't on she was in. The thing we did flash and we did the CRA nears evil which was a holiday book not necessarily same but same idea superman. Suzanne babbling thousand Wills Teke comes when thousands or both big issue they weren't same again, seven shirts system's going to basically go through all the. Earth. Manners rains ten short stories with all different. Characters from this flavor of. It's a sector on the earth. which we have a lot which is weird. So to start off the first one. Is the first original himself when we had to do a little research because like the story takes place. After Alan Scott already has the ring rice has become recently become. This was written by James Tinian forth. He's he's the guy currently writing Batman. So any join joker war. This is Lori. And artists by frank who did. The ad was clock art over. So both fantastic. Bad opens up balanced Scott in. He's a he's writing a cab and like you shows this House Mrs Ladies on the Porch and he's there to see her. And she doesn't know who he is. and. It turns out what he's really doing is going to visit the mother of a man they died within the died in a train wreck they gave him a green lantern rain. So he'll soon backstory is. Out, Scott, on on a train, the train crash because he was an engineer, he was an engineer that the train crash because of gang and the gang weight gain, and he was going to take over like making his new bridges in the train crashes and. When the train crashes the that Green Lantern Power specifically. Not It's not quite the same power he has. He finds it and becomes the greener. So it's basically rain ring saves him from Dying, and this is the story of him. This is the kind of story intermittently what goes on on on a train but him like talking to. People on trains mother right. And it's a it's an interesting piece of their and she's like well, hopefully, you do something great with what you've what basically boils down to is he's he's let her know that he he wanted to see her to let her know that the the sun wasn't completely in vain him getting live. He's I knew something with it, and she's like we'll just do something good with it and mom's. I want to say seeing this this version universe Alan Scott is. Kind, of thing that he may have been the boyfriend of the mandate on the train but I don't feel like it's heavy enough to believe that. But the mother implies that her son was looked at the same way he was happy to Allen treat him the way she did. But eventually goes after the gangsters, which is what the fun part of the stories vowed. and. Well see even in the original story like what I find Alec this specific the Kirby gainers at one point were a weakness to yellow right and this leaner had a weakness to would Santa. When he fought these guys that you don't Billy Club, so he can defend himself necessarily by. Overcoming, and they tick took him to justice so. This kind of this kind of. It intermingle with original like origin story. Right? We have new to some sort of bigger slightly different than what we have new original continuity. Story in the way Nichols, present time and pastime together is really Kinda cool. They it's it distorts we story in. Mineral Short in this book, that's what they're supposed to be. Anyhow an extra line. WE WANNA pick up out in space with the. Most people consider to be the original G. Jordan. Going to be say on Scott. Most people say who he? Oh, come on. We have to explain to him. He's the Red Tunic in the purple cave in there like watts no, myself star. Though. He's cool and like his even even in the universal the time with Jesse JSA GSA. The do always pretty pretty actually and like he's he's his main rival Solomon Grundy and like that's a huge thing because grenades such big by he's a big. Yeah but. Even even more. So I think. They never really talk about it. But they hint at it in kingdom come that the green lantern and keenum come isn't how It's Alan Scott maybe prepare lex with Crazy Cape and sword and everything. Yeah. But it's like the way that they they dress him and they talk about him like it's it's Alan it's not how. which is weird. Is I you know they? They don't ever call him out of who it is but like. which that was cool and then on top of that like. Alan also has two kids who make a huge I. Don't know I don previous Commun-. Yes. Yeah. On continuity now. But again, the new fifty two thing isn't isn't really thing anymore is it is but it is in like there's a lot of things. With. Our Earth Thinking now rebirth is iron other things back into it, but we haven't really touchdowns caught since then. Last material was new material like obsidian and jade were his kids site. They don't exist the universe but at one point Kyron or jade were boyfriend and girlfriend, they were jade wasn't a green lantern, but she had to star Star. So it's like stuff. There's things that like intermingle lock about that but there's their meal though like we do talk about agree with Kaya Reiner. My favorite. So we do talk. Again we argon and talk about the things just like we talked about in the Batman stop previously like. Just, because Tim Drake and all the stuff is different doesn't mean that it wasn't a one point more. Awesome. So right now like. Romances existed you know chirons did. Cow Reiner is senator with this current story in care. Even. Though it's the thing has news current story and I don't feel like it was ever ironed out ever since then so. There is zero story in this book that talks about what Kyle did. So I know you're I guy in new was had flaws. Note out about this liberal talks about how he was the. Even books. It was a thing. They talk about him being the the torchbearer it's a whole it's still happen. How New Green Lantern John and they don't know and the green lanterns never got affected by new Hutus stuffer. Well, Heck Jordan was never affected just like Batman with their affected however underlings in other lanterns were. Clearly Alan Scott knew the two. is a as a homosexual male and in pre he was on earth two, hundred three was yes. That's the only place you really seen him. He hasn't been recognized at all. But missing, make him seem like that at all so If Don T to talk about things said existence. Commerce, we're at how Jordan out in space crashed on a planet. Ango. So he crashes on a planet Oh, this was written by Geoff Johns. Judge on the Greenland Master, he's like he was the flash master for a long time but he returned he's the. The architect of blackest night. So. Keep, that in mind And Heart is by Ian Reese which is awesome. Fantastic and like hell short to be fair I'm GonNa do this one but. was carrier next doesn't matter we? Don't have to alternate. Kyle. So So how join crashes on this planet any taxes ring in his ow? He just like you. Just like crash lands smashes up cartoon style, and he's just like where am I answering the warning level power power levels approaching zero percents what? Powerless wire I crash, where am I in the ring has got nothing to he can't remember what happened. He can't remember the fight and he's asking questions in the rings is like Hey I got no power like. Like this. APP. Minimal, power as soon as. Which is weird will talk about this when it gets to a different story but it's just like it the rings just tell them hey, this is going on through what can I do this and he's like I'll I'll give you three messages. You have enough power sin three message south. So he sends the First Mile. He says, Hey, sending out distress signal all core members green and blue blue like lanterns connect grier like super close. As if you copy stranded on unknown Alien World in need of media assistance if you read me. You should be able to truly my location. It's it's been an honor how jor now message sin. Is like message remaining too. So he talks and talks Batman weirdly picks Batman. Any like he does this whole talk with Batman, I'm not going to get into a like have like I've always respected you I looked up to you more than anybody else and like you did, you did things that everybody else wanted without any powers and I wish I could have been you basically is what he says he's leaving messages because he expects this like, Hey, if you're if there's anybody smart enough to help me out in the justice, it's you yeah. At any sales nanny says onto his love Carol. dampers. And inches like which she not as star more though she teas isn't that Carol Amas Carol. Danvers is Captain Marvel or. What's your last name? I? Don't remember Dang it I know. Work it off as we talk so. So talking to carry and he's just like I. Love You. I want you to move on with your Paris Karen Fighters Carol. Carol. Yes. The buckle solve. Airfield Fares yes. Yeah. He had to he works for Ferris Air. And she was her father's company was. Born. So he's hooking up with the boss's daughters what was happening? BS So he's leaving her message, that's who it is. And it's like it's a good my message. You know he's like I. Always loved you things go away. You're supposed to go and eventually she does become the star Sapphire and initially it was just had a bad foil that was. Up he can fight the right way in eventually we want to find out that's also one of the other colors for the spectrum which love right but it's tainted love twisted love. Yeah. So. Then he sends last message and is ring dies. Anne's. I can't breathe wait a minute wait a second I can breathe assign. One Aram you walking and looks up and he's in A. Las Vegas outside Las Vegas crashed in the desert. Music Rain People Back Mrs. L. Rings. Dead at this point. Never going to hear the end of this and then like the next scene is dislike. Green Arrow Batman Superman cyborg. Flash Batman. Yeah in one Ramona's like laughing at. Grimacing holding his face like Oh my God because like his ring a smart enough to poem back to Earth Right. So and even though arena nowhere was and what anything scientific about where he was serene save. So like Crazy coincidental but yet as is pretty good. Nez A sweet in between the next story and this one is A. Really really cool like A. aarschot. From for stem. Dave Stewart just like gathered throughout the book periodically they have like one shot pal. We get once for a bunch of different characters on. The following pages of MOM's pretty. Cool. The far sector. There's not a story about her his. I think she's only wanted to give their own book, but she's also connected more to the machine not relaxed label series in. All the ones in this booker who are earth characters. So. Make Sense. The story directly following that he joined in another green lantern also crashed at this point he's beaten so badly he's dying. And he's been fighting these mech robot things in his rings tells him out. His power levels are so low. And it can't can't do anything and protect them save him. And out of nowhere, we have this giant flashy yellow light. and. It takes out all the crazy robot monster things. It looks like a robot spiders crazy. Aim here stands Ministro. Proud as ever saving green lantern from getting destroyed by these robots. and. The flash of light like he's getting ready to. A massive a yellow flash, right it's crazy. Oh, this was by columbine and artists by Doug Minke. Also fantastic art I was he grew batch of the story line actually and called on also great writer. Anyway. So here's Johnson Astro he's like You. and. He's like Oh. Yeah. You're. Of Kroger. A terrorist he's like terrorists. Yes. I quite like that terrorist. Any. Anything more bounty or use know what the Green Lanterns touch oh. He's like. Well, he doesn't response actually. Here's waivers fonts. In move toward was naturally between splaying his life and how you I found the ring wafers became green lantern became the grace we might been there was and they were that home tried orchestrate keeping home safe. And as he's explaining things like he basically explains his whole past. About how he tried to make world safe. But the only way to be safe was to be under thumb and if you didn't follow the rules where you were punished swiftly and without mercy. which is what led to his downfall in the first place like Ultima power play oath Mike Corrupts eventually his. who his wife winds a dying, and that's like the final Straw for my finally turns Green Lanterns Zephyr his wife. And keeps explaining to particularly. Antrim that. It's all about the fear and how the fears what really drove him and without fear the powers of work and no one respects. Will they respect fear is whole time? He's trying to convince his lantern that which The. Pint of be on how both he's exactly the same. Anyway eventually every explains now his whole premise in the world, he basically talking to lantern in, Carl? He's giving choice and try to switch. Sides. He wants to join yellow. Yeah. He hundred percent wants to switch Anna that leads to little more of him destroying the robot things wake up and. He goes finishes it often it's crazy light yellow power battle. Of him how Jordan smashing everything and everything in the middle of just gets wrecked. And then he's he says, was yields rings doing right it's only saying power to find a new host. So. Once you reach a certain point, it's GonNa leave you leave you to die and you will find its own host. He's like I'm not afraid of dying Green Lanterns ABC tries hidden process to try and convince him. He decides switch in. So he basically blows the dude away. Kills Him. The ring flies off. He says I saved you extra power try find your new host go on your new host lowering hopefully they're smarter and any follows the ring his way creeping. Super Crazy. But it's awesome and the whole breakdown him explaining himself like semester was one of those that he's not really an anti hero, but he's not entirely wrong which makes it rough and the nudes. Gone from being kind of a joke back in the old days his brilliant. He's Just. So awesome. Fleas still he still he? No he he he's not a, he's not a good. But. My favorite thing listen astro ever is during pre blackest night. which I don't remember what that serious call liquidators essential war was that what it was and unlike the Mongol has. Like. Five rings on every finger of this when he was trying to take over the core. Yeah. Well, he's trying to call like the Manga coromoto Wa wa and he fights fights sinister. And semestral hinds beat the crap out of affirmative. All of a sudden he's just like you forget. I created the rings they answer to me in a dislike. MESSES Mongolia up and it was just like an like he kind of does it as. He leads him on just long enough to give Mungo like the satisfaction and then you dislike messes mop and. that. Was Awesome. I don't remember what series of happens but yeah, it's great. I can't remember the exact like I mean I. I have to dig through some stuff there, but it was so. Awesome who so awesome and like he? This. As far as the thing in all semesters flaws like there's pieces of emerges. Amazing. And I. Think the read in that. Series I want to call them I was actually writing it I think he was you definitely should check it out 'cause it's great. It's awesome. The thing with his book really is doing is not a matter agreement earth scream acres of our sector because sinister was not a birth either in either is the alien lantern dies. Says more a matter of our sector. Not necessarily a matter of just being human lanterns in this far sector she is her own sector, which is probably why she's on actions. which something I only thought about just a second you. Anyhow. Move on the next door. So we get another cool like Pinup of course, this is from blackest night I'm by Google which which you talking about this other. Mongo, yeah. Well, probably was in one book decide book it wasn't main series. There's tie in books that were core, angry entering both Titan I just I thought his astro war. I don't know I can't remember where it happened, but but he he basically takes it in his like all the ring just like shoot through his body. He cares him up when it happens. Yeah I don't feel like that's the core book I feel in the main book that might be in Green Lantern Corps, but it has been fair minutes since I revisited in the almost says grill a quarter, her sixty seven. So is the Green Lantern Corps series goes along with. Slag might itself as a regular series? It was eight issues yeah. I mean there was a bunch of different bus crossover rain. Agree like core both ran next to it. So the iron out other stories you'd have to read them but if you did a black as night so much bigger and there was an act of miniseries to I mean there's three par battery parts of Superman Wonder Woman Three Park Titans. So there's a handful of a mini series which is needed Bayer too but the core book and the Green Lantern Book both ran. Sequentially next black as night. So just made it bigger I mean as far as series as you didn't have to read them by any means, but yet had really cool part on. There being trouble most advising people so That this website shows me. The entire issue. Crazy. Knows the different Buchner. I'll find it you until sir that's right So next door this is more like a flashback stipe. Story along with timeframe an art style. Stories by Denny O'Neil and the is Mike Galil Grill. Grill. Gre L. Growl. and we start basically on his train tracks with fell address with clocks over whose name I can't remember. How man. This is carp master I don't think that's right. Front clock king, but I don't remember. I remember listening parking you. Okay, I only took three tries. clocking. He's got himself a cough in green standing there with his airway to shoot in clocking constantly talking about lifetime this. Perfectly you're never gonNA stop me is taunting Green Arrow what he's doing. And here comes the train into green air has try season whether the shoot at him or to let him get away. And then the girl the little pottage says is low girl. She Starts Screaming Got Quiz wearing child I play this. Perfectly we'll. We'll get away perfectly. US can't squirm 'cause at ruins, my timing, and of course, he lands atop the train and she falls and that gives green. Arrow. The chance he needs to shoot him and that puts him off the train on the ground and of course, the money's blown away and. Green Arrow takes to green arrowing like season. One of of the Arrow TV show he's weapon him. Breaks his mask. He's Huby the crap out. Blood flying. So this is like. Arrow season it has fast. And all of a sudden. We see this catchers Mitch off end. Catches Law Green airless fists sales gotTa Stop Man you gotTa Stop. Hey So halley showed up to pull green Arrow off of. The clocking and how of course has the girl and he sees middle on green monitoring. Like Butterfly Catcher. and. So Eros not a bad at all acres the how he's like your hands off me because he has a lot of handle. Green Lantern Hands a decks. How like straight up knocks him to the ground demis like you can't stop me I got. This has the pay he's got learn ways doing is wrong. He's got suffer freeze wrongdoings and house like if you're GonNa Breton and calm down that we can't be like them. And then he says something about the million barrels like you know what the money's Bligh Laden is blowing away. We see much people picking up a my and he was stolen. He's like I don't care about the money, the banks or insurance these people have the money. To the poor. Say. They're still unreachable for. So he basically just taking the moniker from Robin Hood, which is Kinda. What Green Arrow is sort of. And how's like new we I take a trip you gotta come down. The two of them take off road trip, which there was a whole bunch of books in the seventies Jasenovac remainder green Arrow touring through the US get an adventure is in social social justice order problems at the time. Pollution and alternative things. Anyhow. Wow tells him I read this book. Wise. The last two months and how of course greener was also piston help because he's been gone for two months he calls them I had to go to another planet read this book because I was being like you to control. ABC convinces them to read this. Book. And he tells how he he was gone two months he was living in a forest planet we miss. Books. Perspective on the world. And in this story, helped him kind things about life about how people must behave and it really probably good idea if. If all ready to. Eventually, he convinces Oliver take a book and offers like I can go another planet. So. How at some point makes a deliver man to let. All e stay at a fortune solitude review months and read the book. So he basically drops Green Arrow off the middle of Arctic at the old school forces solitude he's like. He's like y'all back in two months be back in two months. Two months. To today's sorry two months two days, two months in two days. Is the same as. The thing. Which is Walden's like the. Life in the woods, right Henry Thoreau As far as school story he. I didn't read I mean I read some of this stuff in volumes black and white style. They felt like that as is pretty cool for like an old. The is domino taste because it's old, but it also fits the kind of story it is. That was pretty cool. Anthony like. On. A BUDDY COP story. So. It was Kinda? It's it's the second week story in this book Writing Love Them timewise. Just. In general of all the stories in the book, this is my second. At least favors. Okay The next one. Boy. Carl Reiner. Iran Mars and his. Rj by Darryl Banks Ron Marz Olsen Olsen heroes a lot of kyle stories. It starts out with Kyle's hand, and then just like, sorry, there's a little tip. Romero's they know who deal. Let's come I. Think it's just like this big warehouse Kyle and like our house worker Anna the walking through they're they're having a conversation about. What are you looking for is like? Looking for a bunch of stuff from the warriors, the Warriors Bar, and like her switches, which has gardeners bar and He's ago. Yeah. Above has got left again while he opened another bar somewhere else. So like I'm coming to pick it up I told my I would and like using the ring with his. Like is a light. Created gorillas like who are moving man's to start opening up these boxes stuff just like Yeah like these things that. Are As. That, you're that one guy I remember senior I remember seeing in the papers long guys like what ways if you're the greenland's again where there's a lot of us know for a while there I was one of you. That was us. We like the boss Ferraro agree the guy. Like knowledge is like no, no, you're the guy I mean. Most deal. Did. You have to care the whole thing yourself? He's A. You're so actual weren't you in Kyle's never been like the glory, Hog? Guy Yeah. That's like when like. The the ion on energy went into him in dispersing in that's reunited. The entire Rehana core is because they. Get stories whenever the star heart became part of him for a while he was most powerful being. Period and the power did kind of corrupt him but it it changed the way behaved in eventually decided after conversation Superman actually he erie ignited the he. Decide to CV restart the the battery. Exhibits point is kyle things after how in crazy hill everyone a loved one ring and at one ring to Kyle. So for long style had enough power to make keep wondering gave a tour with a one lantern. Seniors only one. So for you years and years and. Hated it a lot of all how remarkably well, how join killed everybody so so fix that with a raccoon sign I didn't know. Not. Because he's still admits the hat that happened only he killed him but he killed him because he's poisoned by the entity that was imprisoned signed grinder core. he killed him because of the pair LEX. Parallel is the L. entity that lives in Green Lantern Corps was imprisoned Rylands paralyzes the fear entity that was imprisoned in at in in the battery and the battery. Yeah. So when the battery, the impurity and the battery was caused by the Yellow of Mary antics and that's why like the green rings were had weaknesses Muzio of because of that. Glare anymore? No. Because now it's out doing some extra things. He's not imprisoning more right. But that's what drove him. Crazy that men destruction coast city type of soup man but he's still did it. Oh, yeah he did was as he didn't. Hang still didn't notice. He didn't still so anyway. So He's a gay man I just you know. I did I could I did the best I could with what I had. And then like the rope is different box looking different things and like this different, this little thing pops out and. Looks like at an amulet then I turned into a massive robot and Gazzetta Lego mushroom like this. What's going on in Catholic battle German from different seven guide feed the whole army of them. But what Kinda idiot put something like out on display the Mall Guy Garner mostly right. The he must've thought it was dead and said dormant than like he's. Not The first time this. Time, guys been wrong about something but like collins of like. Using his power in my save the day, but he like uses the his. His light construct is all the current earthquake. Leonard's IT's like it's Alan, Scott Jordan guy. John Stewart Imagine Jessica Cruz Yeah. So. as contract to them, helping to feed him. So intimidating all of it, but he builds other ones of they team to do. It's pretty cool. He's like. He's like the kind of torture was carrying is a by myself for quite a while but I learned the jobs lot easier with friends I wonder standing here without without your friends by which I mean the guy that s near without your you and your friends. broke. then. Is Our I. Sorry Got You into this sorry broker came here for but I. Won't about a kid. It's mostly guys. Neither Venture Warrior. Stuff. gashes never have that energy to begin with which we all know. These guys. Awesome. So Lease these pigheaded regardless of anything else. Follow up story one after this it's written by Peter j Tomasi who also wrote a lot of green lantern hailing from core along with Jeff Charms. So hold on before we started on this sir, I did find screener number forty six when it was during his night and towel scenario and the leader of the. which the chick's name from the The purple. The. Amit sapphires or? Star Star part of the other ones. Like the Diet read now. Her. Like. The purple guys. The Purple Radio's debt. That's the INDIGO INDIGO yellow. Blue, but she has a name Indigo. To go one maybe I came anyway anyway they go to help semestral like take Krueger back from Mongol rent an leg Mongols is trying to be. The Mongol core Blah Blah and then and then he keeps pushing the how and her away. And then and then like as Mongols got like his face is crushing it like he like touches the rings and long would you do? You think that would have made something Forbes these rings. Dude like what do you think I'm dumb. These. Are, controlled by me, he's like I am the semester record. This rings is go nuts and mess upper or bad. He's A. He's like you're clicking you to recharge. and. Nyas Mongol, and then all the office initial Gore's leg all else Nastro. Is like the nets when he tells housing I'm in charge of I'm WanNa Take Sam Black as night. But that was a really cool issue. That's favorite issues like I. don't even like that guys normally any like semestral necessarily. Because I don't like Mangalore like guests such, Dick. Just is but. As as an awesome she so. As far as Issue Yeah. He's this story that one follow. So the next in the books appear Jacob, Bossy This is by Fernando. PASA Ronnie has. His name as Ron as running that is matter I can't does matter by camera. A it's spelled he as a R I N Sarum. Maybe anyway. So this story opens up in, we're joined Guy Gardner surprisingly at a bar. So one story to the next story though the own version which lasts the last issue or less story collecting pieces from the original bar, which was in New York in the the new it is called warriors because at one point Garner was the way had this scene call like he wasn't a lantern of any kind. He has originally Guy Gardner was a green liner Yep, and then for while he had synesios rain, he was a yellow lantern. And People Hermida. But then he became the sink the warrior like Ryan It. Is during this paint is crazy. But yeah, the mold his arms and legs and body and things and knives and cuts is wear. It was odd is like we're there. He was weird and that was before sinister highs on core was the original rings national debt at the time. He's not a couple of times that was the first time he die because they broke his neck on. Yemen guy finds dream resilient but it was before all the course of this was like there there was like a test it is. So then anyway, there was only one yellow ring her back then was. See Start. His. Bar called the warriors on. On in New York A. Superhero Bar. But then you like restart newborn ella which is. The follow up to. The first one I think I wanted to destroy as well as was in boxes. Anyhow. So this story starts on guys ease in the bar and he's telling stories about all the great things Ethan Ayer was in there listen to just ham it up with different tales of different things. He gets a call at all. There's a problem with missing lanterns and you gotta go he kill a logging. In. Come to town to give them a second or anything I can't remember what they told him go. Salix like. report, of. The citadel. The. The main greiner like the hub, and then he's like report here. Then it then it shows catalog right? We'll kill interesting. Yeah, it's it's hilarious. These in. is so much weird wait. It's a hilarious is murderer. Yeah, anyway. So he's into working out and there's a bunch of guys waiting to come in. He's time up yet. It's a winning kill works out apparently kill works at alone Anyway the process he destroys though the way press wise lifting it. Because kill on. An guy shows like, hey, we had we had worked at you and so. Kilowatt suits up and off the shower dude. Man That seems like shut up guy I want to talk about anything. And so they get super anger AC. So pissed. With. A meeting as he he's not. He's not always that way he's definitely pissed. So they sent him on like a black ops mission. To rescue some missing lanterns and they WANNA make sure they don't go. They don't get noticed while they're doing it. Big Secret Mission to say these guys are fine guys that you'd like hookup to this this asteroid ride it for a couple of hours to get into like the atmosphere of this planet they don't yeah. In the process of all that eventually find the place, these lanterns is supposed to be being held in the inside the planet and he's like. They're being more security out here, and then also rock creatures come out of nowhere and gain. Kill Walk Start Laying waste like just tearing them up mostly go on them we almost call And then they find destroy everything, get ready to go through this this entry and they do and inside the cave is a totally different thing what you would expect. it's a giant Green Lantern Corps. Lantern with a happy birthday kilowatt logo above it. Like drapery, it's made a green lantern power. So it's all fancy. And there's all the green raped. On all of these handful greenlanders a he knows and Kill a log and he's like you guys. I eight. Yeah we know. We, wind morning throughout the book we can't some extra and. And how he is the last of his race. And just happens to be his planet and all of the people were destroyed on the same dances birthday. Which is why he doesn't like celebrate his birthday because it reminds him of everyone they he lost. Part is the turn away. Now I know why house which is awesome. He talks about his family now as the green and core now that they did that thing for many things, it's awesome and then they do. Champion, Greg Your Green Lantern. The varian right? which is awesome. It's a really cool like the family you have is you have kind of thing and Tomasz. He wrote a Lotta Green lantern, corps and Backley drew most of along net gray and they're all fantastic. They're great green mostly Mogo like. Guy Kind of that he didn't like I guess catalog being like. Back. Killers. All whatever for you ever and then. They went to Mogo the he went into Mobile Nova Cream, which is, which is the planet Greenland. Living Implant. So mobile full, physically mobile. You did that did this for you kilowatt is pretty cool like even Mogo his in on. Bright House really charges that plaza. Living relented, plan of all things all the monsters. Monsters downloaded grew vita fight. Needham is they're not anything. freaking awesome. Anyway, this story. So. We got Jon. Stewart hot girl, right which is hot girl. Right. The writer on is. Charlotte Charlotte Fullerton are mcduffie. Mea Name Criss Cross right crisscross for the. MOCHA stresses storage. Only guess they were fine. So it. So Stewart and how girl and they're talking about like just as they step is right now they're both justice and I'm behind it just lease them know that. Sound visit become before current current. Yeah anyway they both the team at this point. So My confidence and they're going to the Jefferson reason and they're they're there for some mineral and then a doctor players comes at nowhere and Schrafft's symbol who's a I'm here for the National he's Choi with an after minerals, your blood to segment. As I'm going to stake take his element. And I can't think of what is called. The May milestone him and it's GonNa make me ten times more powerful than it ever was be the most powerful person ever and then They. Find it for a minute and the shakes him off because he's got this numale stony. Um thing. and. The the heightened his power and let him be able to do. He does better. So be like I guess like Magneto he was surrounded by magnets. Only yeah. Anyway, so he becomes like super super. Guy, he dislike it's his his costume changes which I always house. Hilarious. It's like you get extra powers in in the midst of it your costume changes winter customers say the same but your power is better. Than how the costumes main I guess. Having cost. Mean Cal Halloween became hair paralyzed had a sword in a Cape and. The ad this particular costume is lower than king is so polaris goes after John I, and after he gets his upgrade and is like I'm coming after you. Like you're disturbance. Polaris music. You shouldn't control it in John. Goes. Chinese, ring can outsmarts him and like Kohl's the element out of him and smashes in the face but then like the element kind of because it's out in the open. In free affecting John Mike are grow Hark. Woman has to talk him down and friendly like hasn't focused in turns into back into like the breeze it back to the Venus solid orb. Yeah, and. He puts the United Greenland ring surrounding Thanks help me like show my confidence and she's like no problem. For nearer or so the days in really the day. Focus high girl they move on. A little longer story by spacey. About proven. Competence confidence. Soon. Next Story, we have Baltimore many years from now Zak says. Is Written Laya diddy the art of Raphael Central. So Tau John Stewart Kyle. There at some bar and I've been whenever you haven't. You don't agent a day and she's like as not what the the feet tell me how they're having a conversation that I was your buddy like hours waiting on him. Zaragoza drink to talk about obeys kicking off this reunion. So it's like the old right and I lean the waitress lady she knows them all by name. She calls them my name because they've been there for years and years younger and I the name of the bar is hundred green so and so they all they. All cheers together. forelegs table for walls in a house and they choose. But guys not there because guys are laid to everything right answers like the they bring back like storrow and Sarah reminiscing stories in late even when they treat each other the tap, the fourth glasses on the table for you guys there yet and yeah cheers that glass it's still sitting choosing Ryan stories about guy. And about how he just always had this ability to like do the craziest stuff and talk they're talking about a story where refined super violent, super crazy in also guide is like. Naked passes by and guys does a fly by with his Iranian Mike just. no-cost formed this Poulsen as you're out of his crazy rage and gives him wrong enough to do their thing. And they called it longtime no p sneaky. Cindy and like a yeah and Is, he talking about like number two more shots because they talk about how guide is loved again, like hey I can't is almost like loving hit in the face enjoy GIN and I am pretty bady smashing the face in I. They thought about killing any of his friends people talk about how having someone in the Corner Guy Garner was like. Batman. Any Day about how the guy who would take it? No matter what. So they another drink I we gotta get Outta here. I'll often. Though the waitress sick, we're gonNA going on, we gotta go meet up with our buddy in so you think the guy at the end of it. They can do that. They do the code again, the FORELEGS A. For falls on a house for season, the Mustang GT. The floor. Cordesman and is INS guy. Garner needs his it's tombstone because they're all the old and retired at this point and it's kind of like his guy die before much like the. Seventies or eighties at this point but is a cool story because they. I love Kyle Guy. Gardner has strong second to because he has a heart manny his thing like he does this thing that other land he's he's the he's the. He's the anti hero remarried. He has his way of doing things like he just never follows the rules. He breaks all the rules and he doesn't care anything. I don't know I always. Awesome. Personality wise like where Guy Lands. Even if you're not on his side if you're his friend, it doesn't matter if you don't agree with him. So many times you think kicked out of the core and so we times house like, Yeah Dude what you're doing his crazy but it didn't change that but his crazy. Crazy in his of course, never been house was like. Everybody always all. The. Guys Grazie. But How kinda murdered everybody's a for a minute. But Know. He even his costume always kind of like, Oh, well, you have to rip off jacket the arms also as always different meals. Like I kind of liked him. He's pretty he's pretty raw. I mean, we did a couple of months ago. We did a the flashback Jay Jay say, no Justice League America issue where was him doing that man I wanna see that was maybe two or three episodes on the show face that that doesn't happen but it does happen for retirement. United Series It does happen he picks them. Like is always been very bullheaded and headed, but it ended the day is long as you're in the right category for unwise doesn't matter the ads. It's an awesome story like all catch the RAE like Dang. That's all right. It's that's crazy. Now, it's awesome. Awesome. Next door we have for that. Is just crew story. This is Marie Cocco. Tamaki the did the writing and. Marija I n Golf Oh the art how Oh, she's She's really big right now you have a lot of bookstore on. So this starts out Jessica Cruz in her house and she's remembering being woods and an event the happen. Around a campfire with a bunch of friends where she basically I've seen her friends get murdered in front of her. And that's what led her to her fear problem. It's like. Rings I find her his dream event called the frontier evil in forever evil. The Earth Three Green Lantern, which was a how Jordan that was being controlled by the ring because he's Her threes evil version over one. So how himself was actually a evil with the ring was fat on his fear and. Eventually how his dead Earth three how and the Ring Find Justice Cruz 'cause looks for some of the great fear they can feed on he just the timeless a shut in and like all of your windows ten up and it was all this deep fear because of what she saw friends. So this is a little bit of flashback about that and she's watching this knife centre sink and she's like my to is nice fault. And then later on, she's a cardiac. There's an apple senior NAPA learn orange. You can't be sure because you can't really tell them picture. But whatever fruit she's Cardi matter. She wants to being a fault phone call that Baz needs help but she's like nothing no help on. Am I the problems tonight, the problem with all with her inner. Inner Demons and fear. But she's I, go I am my friends help I have to go and so that leads her out into space where she joining A. Baz who's in the process of fighting this plastic life-form. plastic life Mrs giant monster will contain with crazy. Crazy extra arms is like. Forearms. and in the process of the beat, the thing grabs her aunt flings around the space. So washes she's flying through space. She's freaking out because he's just floating randomly and hurrying itself is a little more under power because of the battle. And she her mind is racing in eventually Baz catches her. Brings her back down and she goes back to Earth. She feels pretty good about the whole situation nicely savior. And she's like you. Knowing what is wrong? What is right? Is really really hard and it's It's rough 'cause she's a little newer green lanterns still but we a little more reflection at the house am. Trying to decide whether the whether the knife is the problem with the person using tonight is really what it's about and she has another call. There's another problem and we got alien that looks a hammerhead shark without the part of the shark. Knocking around the town, and of course, it's as their deal with it I just because she's shows over she decided she's the knife. If she's knife, then she can use the Hash needs to answer is abusing basically bladed. Small degree lantern version of. The knife to stab this crazy alien jaw or shoulder before it kill as and so the both walk off in the sunset like oh You know you're wrong way cruise you got to be way better things. She's they are still having trouble. He's like one gets a pancakes. She's like man sounds good. So at least the Panky dinner at a lot of the books with her in it during green lanterns, which was a plural. Was Baz and Jessica basically like her growing to be an agreement. Antrim. So she's still fairly new. As new to. As far as green lanterns are concerned, the only one really knew her would be the far sector character Mutt. Green Lanterns in general she's. Fairly new one. that leads us to our last story. The Look. With starts with. Basset brother picking up the mom at the airport and. Hours yeah like. Or knows on Auntie they. they're writer on this one. The see Sia grace and artists is run on. Sorry. Rovan UVA. Lobos. Did a book how Gosh there is a series heated awhile back that are very frank from quietly. Style. Wise to see similar. It's not as it's not as refined quiet leave the same. So like. which were Simon won the heavy seventies illicit. Baz, signed as is. His name. He's I solemnly in routine sector control mob blonde. He's like an alien like something on the shouldering flips it off he chunk of gross anti how reo. And they're like, let's go to this thing this as art exhibit our Walk Twenty, twenty, and a bunch of. Sponsor like a Middle Eastern Muslim are and. Wish, I could get into thing was like The city. Historically. tandems there there there it's modern well but. The thing is traditionally if you're a Muslim. The the language, the written language is there are. Not other paintings which so this doesn't make any sense super of this doesn't so this is my Lisa because it's not it doesn't properly like relate to. Some pictures of writing. All of them but some exactly but they're not all sorts of things. They don't do things like that. So. As far as the religion, Islam? That's. Isn't proper. Is what I'm saying. So like if you're a Muslim, that's not right. You don't. Do this painting of his Moss. South that how I do things I'm just saying like historically the they're very strict with that kind of stuff. So. saying that that's why one of the reasons this story I think it's a very inaccurate. This walk in. There walking around looking things and night in the. Corner, DIAC want. The cousin sees that Guy Welcome, it looks very shady and he's got a trenchcoat glasses and the country just couldn't you scanning with your ring got automatic weapon and so he's like our go take a gardiner. Not GonNa get away with his and start shooting at him Anna like uses Greiner into block it. And One of the one of the bullets ricocheted off the constructed I hits the guy on the shoulder and he's like all the signal think this ends with me leggings whatever man Anna. Figure out, he flies him up and he just gives them song US game man this is this is nonsense people versus people that were all the same people and turns out sit down the guy just doesn't care. So he takes down again the goths. Just. Like What's going on? And on his aunt like mom I'm Gonna I'm GonNa, keep doing this thing. I'M NOT GONNA if I leave now shore the people are scared. I can do that. Riley tells her the go home at the and of course, the the brother wants to even. The just shooting event it makes sense the want to leave, but she's like now. That, we're not afraid of these people are willing to do. We have to keep moving the next to shows like the guy the guy that he likes, it stopped over more research more arrests nurse. Shows like the van driving room highway and like Simon is coming finds the van like grabs in customer of openness like we're GONNA do this thing too late Mike scoops him up and Carries him. Why Grind, they're much pipebombs. The they're all talking about and blow everything up and. terraced. Stories. So I mean yeah I mean. The are was good on one of the story was. that. was when I was just like it was Kinda weak because. You do your history armide armageddon stuff. You're GONNA do it. Sorry, he's do like that's a big deal because like they wouldn't be an IT Muslim walk there would be such a thing. Man. Their art is their language and in an ad as it is written meds what they do like back bug me a little bit but anyway. then. Then you go through like a whole grain secret core secret files a bunch of different. Stories of action secret file pages of just gives you a riot a bunch of different characters in a bunch of different green lanterns, different alien type ones, and like my favorite one in this whole rash of weirdness. The Is Vox V. O. X. who sacrificed seventy, one he basically Jain Monkey. Will unitards. My question is, where's a? SOM- yet. It new fifty, two and rebirth We don't talk about. So stupid. Where he. Fits the world. Doesn't fit currently so but he does now. But he does like. Victim Anything, but he does the army is say he does matter and he's a really cool character and as far as having A. Wardak semi. Group Tony because they're the ones that left scripts on. So dachshund. WHO's affected basically the same superman on earth by the by the Sun. Weakness to lead because planet itself causes that so he himself has weakness lead. With, remain quering. Yeah it's frigging awesome. Faces Superman the greenery almost I mean he is pretty heavy when NPR news with Rod through his just. To make him not be able to use his full potential. But. Yes, it is. But. He's basically Superman. I mean kind of yeah and he had the power for a long time for a little biddy ten. Yeah. But he also started out as a cycle of with a crazy Mohawk. You'd think L. Morph that. He got better in later books. Also, you can talk about the old stuff, but you can't talk about the current none of it matters because he's not part of. Things get said he's not fair currently private. Where he started resort became awesome. Brasilia's now all the same equation he's not part of anything right now. which is unfortunate because Saudi was awesome. So the most current sodomy at was like basis superman with remainder rain, he was awesome weaknesses to light and so the KRYPTONITE. Him by putting her through his chest related ring had to protect with meeting winker. So, be like Superman of a badge Kryptonite and couldn't get out of his body and we did go by the lead pipe, the rain, the ring, the ring purged. Remembered I. Did that's when he got the I am power. Okay. So naive have happened. I didn't realize I on power stuff for him like the heated zone mini series though I didn't read that stuff. So. Again he doesn't exist the Korean university haven't seen him so. Doesn't mean exist with that. He would have showed up by one point by now probably. Doesn't make him how cool doesn't make Williams is using. I mean, that's a that's probably mark waid question historian I don't i. don't know the answer. But. I'm GonNa tell you. We haven't seen him so. At. A Santa my again, another reason why the new fifty two is. Now only president do so many things suck about it. There's a lot of good things to team things that second came up tonight. In one episode of this podcast three, fifteen now three, fifteen, three, jade. That's autumn yet to. We talked about the Tim Drake has three chasing todd stock none of that Jason Changed. He's actually way cooler with Red Hood now is awesome. He's the same before and after he didn't change. Says it's not a problem, right? When there's other things to three thing multiple things. Your man. Okay, So after the books. So. Why? Next up oh. would. You Learn Josh. Today. The hate new fifty, two, deaf. Today stupid Oh my God angry about it. Rage. Rage. Only seven years too late I've been. Listening to seven years ago on this podcast when I I was on it. Three years ago I still hate new I never not hated. Okay. Would I learn today? What do you think you learned today says the game works I know? Changes in the game you what do you think? Did you learn anything today? Dial. Anything in general. that you really really like saved by the bell. Way I knew that you knew that already suffer as nights it's harder doing says the two of us as we know each other. So only spend so much time together. When I learned today that Baz can figure out where you're GONNA rip your van apart. That's why I learned. So, he's not a lot. I don't like you as Leonard as. Urges decrees. They are still pretty new and as long time just. Like Meek just Cruz actually. Awesome. Did you ever read the now and yet I need you read from you? Want to know why he adding other ruins earth because. Point of the university and. Yeah centerpoint pointing university everything bad happens here Matt Senator Printing. Why can't they just get sodomy at come because he'd be ladling double whammy like I'm Leonard and Superman. So we give another superman and green lantern heavy so bad. Awesome. awesomeness killing it this Ninja cakes and high fives. You probably has Bruce Lee skills to. US from another planet who knows, I'm practices plan his sectors different sector but doesn't change the you gotTa keep adding more green lands the same sector because this is the universe like Brazilian of. Now, only that center of the universe, they have Alan Scout they don't anybody else. He's the original Smith two different universe smell got anymore. Yes. Different universal and they did away with that to our two blew up the universe is going earth to blew up. So he's he's in Earth who universe this they don't have their own earth anymore there we. arth on Earth Now? Yes. Yes. No No. No. They relocate to another planet in their own universe his whole three linebacker forever evil. No call forever. Oh shoot. He's not forever anything it's. He's on earth. No, he's not. Not Not. No no, he's not at all actually even that universe is not earth be like Earth. Tube is not actually going to hesitant name they relocated to their planet because they're blew up. Futures in that's the name, the story futures in an world's end of both at the same time, one time and the destruction of review. World's just record del Gist a distraction or a few and they relocated night planet in early universe. So He's not on our universe or on earth at all. I know it's hard to keep track lost. Again, that's why it's stupid and that's why I knew who to use that. So there's four that's four direct ones. It's not never worrying with your far late now three four answer. Oh my gosh. Okay. So Every tune in. Construction over on Youtube, check out our power rangers rangers, slayer Kimberly, and any of our other episodes because they need follows subscriptions, and so if you listen to this right now, any like action figures in the fun and you have ten minutes of time because they're only about ten minutes loans like twelve. On average about ten minutes. Go over to Youtube type action figure construction follow like it share with your friends. It's really fun. We do some cool things and there's an action figure. You WanNa see shoes message the Ron action fury construction, all social media platforms. Sure. gave the WAAS Josh books to watch Manam Little armour little little bit behind the only thing I've been reading use saga and young justice you know what you actually For sure caught up on I think like an issue behind each of those. So I'm not a hundred percent sure but for those are awesome. So I'm excited to read the ranger killer arena sleigh writers. Are. Mercury that so. Oh mentioned you soggy just for quick there. We found out a scale. You saw owner Shinshu. Yeah. That should be but it's GONNA. It's not gonNA come. Soon be Kinda Space Sergey, which was teen insurance for seven kind of we'll see we'll see where it goes. It is cool guys. I'm hoping to Be Very Samurai. Jack Fund, nece. Regards was doing sensitize getting cartoons so happy for him that time. Okay, we're books to watch. Let me give you a couple of I. got a couple of this week. So. One that could have been the news, but he's not news everything show now. So resercher. Spelled B. R. Z. E. R., K. R.. Models of Sarkar very similar. So the prison writing, this was actually two people to only give you the name that you're gonna be like really or you'll media the name that you're going back I don't know that is Gary you're. Okay. So this book is written by Keanu Reeves. was. Kiana and Matt Kent. Good writer. the book is coming out from boom comics canneries, first comic writing debut. Main character is drawn vary like him, which is fine it's a it's a book ardizzone. Alexandra. VIDE- the ITT. And the stories bound immortal, Warrior who Has advised along that. He basically went crazy and now has decided that he wanted to end so. The. Couples has pages that they have in new. Pres Coward or great I'm sure they're online as regularly it. I think he'll be freaking. Awesome. So I mean that guy kills everything cameras great in that cancer get writer. So whatever calories the table kinetic makes sense the awesome. That'll be great. Knowing. What coming out is we live this was from aftershock. And like people were here, I don't know either one of them from. Their names but the test pages in the catalogue again are awesome Roy. MARANDA IN ENAC. Oh Marina that are doing it. Are An enacted Randa. Inside. Story seven, the year, two, thousand, eighty, four. And of course, the world's been Iraq now is around with monsters and. Interest not normal life the we know it as a thing. And at what's left of humanity struggles to survive Then one day they get a message from outer space guess that I told them the planet's impending doom. AM The same message. Tells them they will spare five thousand children. And this particular story is going to be about one a kids that's trying to get to these beacons to be say from instruction Earth and his sister. So th like a low of a cub with. CICHLIDS inner like Navy Twenties and basically trying to save part of the human race and art for it looks freeing rate. So I'm pretty impressed by that think that I think that'll be a cool one AFTERSHOCKS BUDGET TALENT THAT CY summer Willie well known and others are like out of nowhere. But it does a pretty good job in a lot of his books printing press with that company. Then this one's a little more old school actually no offense at that one. So another one I call it shadow service and shadow services coming out from vault comics. These are all like indie companies man It's being done by Cabin Scott and Colin Howell Sa- same same people that. Partially by the book I worked on it does matter anyway this figure book is about a crime investigator deal with the other world of London. And She also happens the which. That pitch sounds terrible but the art looks great stories the from the next two issues or great I think that'll be awesome. Sorry. Sorry. Guys. Shadow service I think it'd be great Anyway. I got pretty with my notes and I got excited for the. The next one. So king tank girl as a five part mini series. Girl for last year's meeting out through Titan Comics. A job with it batch mini-series is awesome. Well ten girl is moving to Albatross funny books. And this is being written by dumb I think people says Danton. Arab Brett Parson doing art and Alan Martin. Sustain people who working over Titan fleetest switched publishers and Mesa was V. series that. Deals with some of the earlier days of attained girl. But I love tanker role and I think that's fricking. Great So moving another company of a big deal but. Albatross doesn't pretty cool stuff. A lot of stuff put out by the dust again, whose name I'm struggling on house a lot of books it is. The new can walk with this week. So there's a lot of it on the head. You should pick a couple of last time. I mean that was a couple I have to make up for you. Know. You said you have any books washing you pick a couple that means to there's only four. Tankers School. Fifteen hundred four. But all four of those looks think I'll be awesome The new solicit was for a shadow surface number three. So that should be hitting stores I think this month. Every is about two months away but I definitely watch for the worker one because czar I now let's awesome. To speaking of workers. For, we end this thing today. You and me are going to be working on this thing soon. And we have to say a thing and. If, you care about action figures in shape or form this, this will pertain to you. and. It's hard for me to say his swearing museum so angry about it. But. Scalpers. Are the worst kind of people. So. Congress to has true yeah. Is. Cover chasers those people that go into this by books just because they're worth money in the like like drive to different tens of you. Oh, Blah Blah Blah number two, two, four, nine, nine, seventy. Why did you pick that book? No reason. You're here district visits worth a lot of money sick. It's make man if you love something. Just to support it, and by those things in like the problem scalpers when it comes to Action Action figure community is that like? People will buy an entire case of figures in scalpel on Ebay and other same figure. Anything really that they over by a bunch of stuff and then like. Someone Ebay for Conrad more money. And you know what? Like this kind of stuff that rooms action figure lines, and it's just like Gi Joe was a deadline like he was dead like Hasbro had like. Hasbro, took took the power away from the Giogio collector community like the collector Conn.. took the power away from them. Mike. We're taking all the rights back to the no more GI Joe Collector. The JJ. Official Judge Okon no more taking it all back taking everything back. So like they can't even like second secondary source figures that like. Just true collectors want which is like for years has been the thing that the electric like like. It's been thing you twenty years. There's one denver like five years ago. I mean more than that. And like that. It was expensive. It was like three or three, hundred, four, hundred dollars sometimes but you're getting like when they made the series. Yeah. The sets like every every convention had those scientists like in every year is different themes like there's one years. October gardeners the anger since like there's they they made they made Red Star and they made a couple of other ones ran with the ring series but like on three packs when there's when their toys R. US but I really it was just they made the entire October guard in his amazing and they gave people who didn't get a chance to go the convention. They could the Home Front Heroes, you could buy it. And you could like get a shift your house and I got it because I didn't get at that time. I don't remember that year was in like I donate Saint Louis or something I mean obviously couldn't go to it but I, but I still got a chance to buy pay the money I. Got I. got it to my house and it's beautiful. It's wonderful and I always wonder those October guard figures and I got them and it they always supported whether you could go where you couldn't there was something that you got. You got when he got to go because again where we got the people who get to go get something, which is understandable. Shows like any convention exclusive yeah. Exactly. But there's a company like a parachute drop every year for the kids. and. They like special figure just the parachute drop. You know like like Evan they did so many amazing things like than I than I. Hear this story today about. Targeted exclusives like. They're six per case of of of the new. The new twelve line and like people just by the entire case, there's absolutely no reason an entire case of anything. Of the same figuring out the it's all the same figure. Yeah. It's not alderson figures that they so they. They have multiple cases of all the same figure inches I, put them on Ebay to make money and those people are called scalpers and they are the lowest rung of society there a bad person and I don't like. Enter the kind of people that get kicked in the shins. I'm going to start. Giving lollipops and five dollars bills a little big person discography. Oh. These. TAP. Shoes. Someone to do man, you're gonNA carry a lot of sizes. Get one form fitted bums me out man she's GonNa. Kill series this kind of thing that kills lines of action figures, and that's why I love like these independent these independent lines humane been reviewing lot. Designed the boys, the Animal Kingdom and the boss fight stuff and like I mean all these different like this, the bunch of series that we have done like. Scalpers The can do about that because it's all about it's all about the collector and I love that and Gi Joe the it's a mass release figures. They only do so much like Ryan, and until they turned, you Jones like like a private sector which will never happen. It's that we gotta deal downtown like. The red hope that the red hulk series prom the happen to target. Yousef years ago like Ryan has been a bunch of things like that happens like. Scalpers ruined things for people. Just I uni I want one you want one. That's it. Man Like we're not I mean I have extra fears of of different series that I bought over there because Oh. There's two storm shows available for a couple of weeks tonight, Iraq figure someone by both seven to customize them. Assault extra wants to customize you know and like in. But then like years later like I still haven't gone round customizing this figure saw put it on Ebay. People off, put it on there for like the going rate and most of the time of the, what's the going rate fifty bucks I'll put on for forty hours by now is because it just like somebody wants that more than me you know I'm not trying to rip anybody off. The different thing when they're massively ability the way things non right now is not that way I agree with you. I. Mean. That's a different kind of thing to debate on different kind of place but as thing it yeah as well as platform like in in the pop culture community service podcast feeds that and I can. I. Just wanted that other like. People people sometimes. When Harry is pretty pretty it's just a bummer is disappointing. So I I mean I I hope those things go mass retailers people get stuck with like six figures at twenty bucks a piece of how Dang it grant and they have to sell them. They have to try and sell them online for the same. or a crazy the out they website, the target website went live apparently they were. Bought out the entire amount that was available through the target website which six seconds with how that even works raising. Yeah. Don't get it. That, we have the same problem mccown workshop. I. Mean. Then I'm twenty six came out last week and instead of first appearance of new. On Dude and As thing like the first five people in the door people don't harmless out with the slower and they bring over the stack of five or six issue while expecting to sell them. All the copies that I had in problem with that is you're not gonNa buy twenty seven Bro. So now the by one and that's how store works. If you don't know about the store and I now there's of that's I say, but his thing or genius at the battle laws saying nevertheless. As a senior. We foster community comic shop and community canyoneering. Won't be issue. Right? It's a matter of folks agreed to series and yet he saw great I don't care whatever you WanNa buy one the day. Sure that's fine. Comeback Amaro I'm GonNa tell you now you bought one yesterday I'm sorry. because. I have people kids that were one, twenty, six, twenty, seven, twenty, eight, twenty, nine, thirty, forty however long the series in nearby one issue. Sumo says the same thing it's. Aggravating You know. As a thing, I can't foster. A second Mark Community Win comic. Community. and. That's a two different things entirely. With your own I don't care. That's fine. If he won't five copies two months ago, I would argue five copies happily. But you know speculation market is a nightmare. Anyway. That down note, thanks a lot ma'am. How close the show two months I don't remember. Too Key. How Come on man. Came and Ryder. I've never say never gonNA say that's fine. Josh. Joe. Take. A young. King. John.

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