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How concerned should we be about PG-13?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

36:27 min | 9 months ago

How concerned should we be about PG-13?

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by the capital in venture card earn unlimited double miles on every purchase everyday. What's in your wallet? The energy in the city is electric. Chicago is ready for all the action and the entire basketball community is on the city. That Michael Pill I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and ESPN news were presented by progressive insurance. You guys can hang out with us. I wonder WHO's the Best Point Guard in? Nba History. Raskin you that because of all the action that's going on in Chicago right now triple eight say. Espn eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. He's the best point guard in NBA history. That's how you get in on the accident. I could just tell you after a day in the city from Golic and Wingo the first state to where we are. Now I take your take. This city is absolutely on fire for everything that is happening today and throughout the weekend for All Star Weekend. It is going to be spectacular. They are ready to get after it. So in the meantime I want to get to some straight talk brought to you by straight talk. Have you guys do that? I'm asking you to Chime in so we've Earth Day. Go on your take Tommy in New Jersey. I like this one. This is a little outside. The box is the best point guard in the NBA. Today curry even though he's not playing you're still good. Yes see I mean well actually the call I I mean I I get it. We've had some tweets on Steph curry and I don't own degree the like you have Steph or in today would anybody be better? I don't think so. But how do we quantify that when he's not in so there's no loophole that says he has to actually be active and and in doing every? I I mean I don't know Steph where we are with Golden State at this point. Let's remember Golden State will look completely different in a year? When we get steph and Klay back and everybody will be happy at that point I take your take on. Espn radio keep gum. We're getting some really interesting takes on the best point guard in the NBA. Today triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven zero nine. Three seven seven sixty. Espn radio presented by progressive insurance drivers to switch and save being average of seven hundred ninety six dollars less per year. Tonight is the celebrity NBA game. And this is always a blast this morning on Golic and Wingo Mike Wilbon and we had Stephen a Smith. The two coaches come on and they talk to us about The event as a whole one of the gentlemen that's involved in the event is one of the most accomplished. Let's say entertainers in the industry right now. Because he's everything he's a musician he's an athlete. He's an entertainer he's enacted. He's everything and he's going to be everything tonight common join Maxim Steven A. And talk to them a little bit about his thoughts on tonight. I'm playing against this guy. Save WE GO. Do what we supposed to comment acting. He Act like he can. Who See. That's all talk. You know Stephen as I respect them a lot but he talking right now. I'm in Chicago right now. I'm going to give them that business. You Feel Chicago. Feel Chicago Com. I think he's kinda nervous. Let's listen again. Dan and that day Mike will have kept me from seeing my tape but they're not baking. Us Ten minutes ten minutes. Who are now I? I got some scouts. I got some secret scouts. They told me I gotTA couple of ball is on the issue. I think you and your emotion I think you all planning to get a little asset. People got me rule. You can't Sufi you. John Wendy defined. I never seen Steven A. Making this many excuses. He was talking about. His team is short now. I don't know what my team usually stand on your work. Applebee's work because football. It's the same thing you always come the excuses. There's all the excuses I must admit though I did expect you to be playing the movie role and look a little heavier. Look Shea. I'm concerned about my forty minutes of health. Very concerned about that. Am I got to come up with this way? Your team our forty minutes that you think I know this much I come to lose. Promise fifteen if I don't know if that's bad turnovers you believe whatever how what the hell it is changing. I will tell you this in a very serious about this. I will bitch anyone. That's not getting done. Oh we know you I will bet you you will not be on the court shoe and bricks messing up and stay in the gay trying to win the look. I'm telling my coach Michael Wilbon. We hit a play. We hit a win we go represents Chicago and got players on your team. We wait out there fooling we. We really hit a play positive positive about it. See I don't even know about players yet so my gave him my team. Quaver quaver you some height you got dairies mouth but I do have. I will utilize him. What would you IAGO trouble with I haven't seen them in a decade. But I expect I expect from him now Wilson as well so Arai Four. That's right you've got height. Plus you always talking about see you talking about Philadelphia late. They got the pieces the coaching to come to. You gotTA use your pieces. I ask coach you got you. Got Coach takes the team and says look these pieces. I'm GonNa make the holy agree with you. If I got pieces. We go blow you. Don't worry about the culture. Ocd beating the coaches confident. Already positive about your cabin crew yet. I'll be positive for you know it's Valentine's Day right here. The love doctors with us. We can play a little game. It's called. Who Do you love and you guys are going to write your answers on these conversation. Hearts sharpies where this first one we got here. Mj Scotty were one of the greatest. All Time Duos of course out here with the Bulls who is the best duo in the NBA? Right now you're going to write them on your hearts and then you're gonNA explain them to America. Easy Very Easy. Very is held him up. Let's do it Lebron and a Lebron I stand Paul George Max town. Why they're wrong because when you have to dude both in their prime both two-way wings. Who can do everything you WanNa player to do? Plus shoot shoot. Free throws defend multiple positions in their prime. That's what you want. Yo first of all we haven't seen PG and Colli play together enough yes true. They both are great players. But if you look at Lebron is doing this year and when the way is planned they both we talk about we get into that and we're talking about MVP's both of them really planning to envy what happens to Lebron the MVP went up saw the floor twice as he sizing amount man. Lebron is no park now. Why out of bronze is go? I don't think he's a warrior because his try and he's coming for him. It's all good. I mean I I like Hawaii but I want I want to go out and do all. This aren't about Lebron. I'm concerned about the rest of the Lakers. But those are the guys that concern me. Rondo is a key when the Broncos at the game because the clippers got four individual bodies they can throw at Lebron you. He's thirty five years of age in the seventeenth season. If you Vogel you gotTa Find Somebody to spell fall abroad and that to me is the key thing. Rondo as we all have seen playoff Rondo stress. Just show up. That's what they gotta cross their fingers for. He hit twenty one other day just in his jump. Shot has been better than it's been on the everyone. Who's WHO's clowning and the clippers about management and all that while the bronze playing every game seventeen year in the League thirty five minutes a game as the kids say keep that same energy if they meet in the western conference final. I don't WanNa hear about management. Because that's why they do it finish up and there is no way to. Lebron a Lakers team and go come to play in the Western Conference. Fine L. E. Coli who do you love as best point guard in the NBA this point guard in the NBA? Tough one young. The other day weighed on any day. Now Stephen a lift them up. We got dame dame ain't Brian Hi Dame Stephanie. I think he's carrying the places on his back is a damn shame that CJ mccollum looks to have taken the step back and that they don't have the pieces around him that's necessary. I know Lebron has been phenomenal. I just don't view him as I know he's playing. You know doing some things but I'm just saying looking at the prototypical point guard the way that I look at them. I was actually GONNA put. Cpi three who I think is. C P three has reminded us all of his greatness but Damian Lillard with the explosions that he has had this year. He has no help in Paula. Right now. Other than Carmelo. Anthony believe it or not. That's the problem I would say dame I said Dame tonto because he bring controlling the games like when we need to score he go give he gave them sixty one game fifty six and then he knows how to involve the rest of the team when he needs sue so not only was. He gone getting assist on that doing that. Run he continuing to do it. I just washed the clothes he killing. It's Lebron James. It's not fair you're right. He's six foot eight and he's one of the greatest players of time playing the point what he is playing the point this year. That's what he's doing and if it wasn't Lebron Lillard having a great season no question but I'll give you a name. No one's thinking about and doesn't get credit this year and that's Ben Simmons twenty-five to home. He's the defensive player of the year and went beat went down. You saw what he can do offensively. I can't give it to Ben Simmons because of how. They've looked on the road as much as I love Ben Simmons. He's partially responsible for how they've looked on a roll and eh road and in the case of Lebron James as much as I loved out. He's playing and he's a league. Mvp candidate top. To as far as I'm concerned part of his job is very easy because eighty percent of the time. He's throwing a ball into Anthony Davis pick and roll situation. Damian Lillard has virtually no help and has been tried to carry Portland on his back as the day of all time. What do we love for? Rookie of the year fellows doll. I'm hearing a lot of their crab pressure. Okay really only half a season John Okay. Why did you go Zion Man? I'm I'm just seeing his dominance. I'm seeing his presence and no he only is having half. He's only played half the season. This is you could see how above he is of all the other rookies jaws up there. I Love Jazz game. I've been watching those since Murray state when he started popping out but man I'm GonNa Tell You Ziya Inc no. We haven't seen anybody like this. His field goal percentage is ridiculous. It's time to look at this dude. Only missed three shots shots. He he played. How many games? Eleven game play. He's like he's scored thirty two. This do my fifty this season. The Dude is making this team better. He's bringing a whole energy New Orleans actually in the playoff race at this point with his energy he was. He's a monster. Here'S THE PROBLEM MEMPHIS. Is Your eighth see. I believe Zaia can win rookie of the year. If PELICANS US up digging up everything and they get to the playoffs at the expense of Memphis but as long as memphis as a team that ends up in the eight th playoff spot combined with the Games. Giama RANT HAS NOT MISSED AS I. That's the whole thing season. That sounds like a combination of shack and chuck men in a place. It's unbelievable but it's unbelievable but you. He's not twice as good as jaw and if he plays half as much he needs to be twice as good to get rookie of the year. It's finish up. Who Do you love? What best so? Obviously we know. You're performing halftime. But you're also playing in the celebrity game team wilpon representing Chicago. Can you give your final conversation heart what you would like to tell coach? Smith over here all his excuses. So this is this. A wrap is over shallow ball. All that Stephen a done is that straight. Talk Straight Talk Wireless. Everything for less only at Walmart Dover get all-star coverages all over. Espn radio tonight. The Rising Stars Challenge. John's ion together starts to nine. Pm all-star Saturday night starts at eight PM Eastern Time and then Sunday the twenty twenty all star game seven thirty PM eastern time. We're asking you. Who's the Best Point Guard in the NBA? Today right now. Who's the Best Point Guard in the NBA? Triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six Nick in Texas with a decision here this one. I thought we get more votes for Nick. Who you gotten this Luke. Donald getting no love. I mean you all around gotTa go with Damian Lillard for maybe point point scoring but as far as all around spreading the floor getting teammates involved. I mean he brought the Mavericks back from the depths. I mean I'm not a Mavericks Fan by any means but keep. That team was nothing now. You look at them. They're all my way up The few pieces away from being a championship team again. You put him in any team. The missing the Point Guard that has a championship quality. And they're going to get to the final because he's the best all around point guard NBA. Nick thanks for the call. Appreciate it that all around argument those starting to come up with some other big names. There's some other big names. Big Fan Base. Tweet me right now. Call triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six in the meantime while we continue to get your take. Let's remember there was big news from the NBA? Last night in the form of an injury is Paul George again injured his hamstring in a double overtime loss to the Celtics. Now losing to the Celtics isn't anything to be ashamed of. Obviously and you lose in the process. You're one of your best players in the first half of the game but it does raise a question. We have yet to see Paul George. Then the clippers be able to stay healthy long enough to get any sort of rhythm. The question is. How concerned should we be at this point about the state of the clippers that Steven a? And Max broke down today on. I take this is a recurring problem with Paul George. There Sunk. They have to hope that they get this guy not only healthy for the playoffs but with enough runway that he's in basketball shape for the playoffs. Because Stephen as is the third time on the same leg for some reason. I'm not concerned about Paul. George I am concerned about the clippers But I'm not concerned about Paul George because I think particularly with what they're doing coalisland in terms of low management and things of that nature. They're not gonNA have any problems whatsoever sitting Paul George. Down and making sure that he's healthy enough to be ready to go in April. That's just the situation so I'm not concerned in that regard his way. I'm concerned about the clippers. Their championship play. Seems to be reserved for the Lakers. Not anybody else. Everybody else gives them a run for their money. Understand something here last night you looking at the Boston Celtics. Clearly the Boston Celtics have very little to no bench. It's about this star and five and this is Jason Tatum. Team make no mistake about it. This kid is a superstar in the making. He had thirty nine last night. He was absolutely cessation. Marcus smart as much as I love and respect that brother. You Ain't GonNa play like that every night. What he at thirty one point five three pointers. Ten or twenty. Shoot from the field. Marcus smart that was an aberration. Usually it's Kim Walker. That's doing something like that. Not Him and a case of the clippers. What Lou Williams thirty five off the Bitch Harold? Twenty four off the bench the Boston. Celtics scored nineteen points. Their entire bitch Lou Williams outscored the entire bits sixteen points montrose. Harris scored the top by Fox. The clippers are loaded. But here's the thing if you get in your mind's eye. The Lakers the Lakers Lakers. And you get up for them. But you don't play to that level against anybody else. Here's the problem Milwaukee. I'M SORRY NOT MILWAUKEE DENVER UTAH Houston. They're coming if you don't bring that game against then you might not get to the Lakers. And that's what we got to be mindful of the clippers. They're so hell bent fairweather stepchild so so many years that you so desperately want to usurp the Lakers I understand that sort of that is just. Those are the biggest games for them. That's where the media attention is to me. That that bodes well for the play offs. Big Game Too right because when the pressure's on they play really well but about the Celtics if you go on the road to face this. Celtics team and I thought they'd be better this year minus kyrie irving plus Kemba Walker another year for Jalen Brown Jason Tatum and Gordon Hayward another year removed from the injury. And that's what we saw you mind Marcus Smart Right. If you go on the Celtics Cape beat a capable of beating any team on any night you go on the road and it comes down to like maybe if Lou Williams gets that call and it was close probably they got it right but if Lou Williams gets to call whereas where he thought he was fouled on his three point shots. Maybe they win that game when it comes down to a double overtime game loss to the to the Celtics where you were without Paul George. For a lot of the game work because they played two overtimes. That's not a bad loss. I remember the most important thing here to remember. Is that the NBA. All Star break not at the midpoint of the season. We're running out of time. If we WANNA see Paul George and the clippers get any rhythm together. That's what will have is on as we get into the last portion of the NBA season. This is what we want from you. You've heard a lot of I want your take. I want your take on the best point guard in the NBA. Today triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six can also tweet me at Jason Fitz remember. Don't you just tell me who also tell me why we'll get more of your take after this? How do you judge someone not by what they say by what they do? We're a nation of doers. What's my Bloomberg about doing things? 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At this point it's getting a little bit of love trae young getting a little bit of love to and of course. Jon who've been discussing getting a little bit of love across the board so keep tweeting me at Jason Fitz. Let me know your thoughts as we continue to get some of your take worked in. In the meantime players use their careers to build some sort of a brand how they choose to use that brand afterwards it was always an interesting conversation Twain. Wade is Chicago legend. Obviously he means everything to the city. We are in Chicago hanging out for the All Star game so when Twain Wade Speaks People. Listen Twain. Wade had the opportunity to sit down with maximum Stephen to talk not just about people listening in Chicago to the things that matter to Duane weight but to all of this all of society listening to as well check it out a Bali. You don't notice okay doll. Oh no yellow notice. Espn the magazine years ago. Tabby do a shoe where this guy got the dress. How are they not ever happened? I had a man. Happy a bright red alert with our. What the hell hit that photo for years but he has made me pay more attention to the wardrobe. So bad bro. Chilling on early freezing on my goodness Can I start something personal before we talk some hopes because obviously I haven't seen you and I just want to thank you and your wife because I've dealt with similar health struggles and fertility issues for speaking out my mom? Dvr They interview. You did with Oprah I add Jalen sit down with me and I had tears streaming down my face so thank you so much for sharing your journey with the national carrier because personally means so much to me. These issues are affecting one in ten women and we need to start talking about it and then again I want to applaud you. You Go on Ellen and you talk about the decision to support your daughter's Mia in her decision to come out and live. Her truth was just such a beautiful thing. Tell me why that was important to you to start that conversation first of all. Thank you for that. Thank you for sharing her her some her journey so far. I think for our family things we go through. We understand that. We're not the only ones that are going through these things We've been put into a position of leadership especially in our community. Ecorse an family and we try to share a journey. We try to share for other people. That may be looking for answers. Whether it's fatherhood what is going to. Agassi is dealing gender expression and gender sexuality like we have with our daughter so has given us you know. Don't nothing happens bad mistake. He puts us in this position in life. That that we're in this for reasons. So we are here on the forefront. It's our job to help. Educate it's not always going to be easy. It's not always going to be comfortable. But we feel like we go to all these things and we're living these things not just raw cells but for so many others and it's so appreciated. Why do you think this generation your generation losing my voice sorry of Superstars in the NBA? Lebron think Chris Paul Carmelo. Anthony have been so vocal about things and have taken that kind of leadership position and that wasn't always that way in the eighties. Most of the top superstars did not behave that way. And yet your generation when you see so many people like that you think well the circumstances must be right for it to happen but then also the individuals have to make the decision to do that. What do you ascribe it to? Well those guys you name girlfriends. Emma Carmelo Lebron and Chris Paul all of us kind of formed a relationship very early on and I think outside of basketball. We knew that we had a responsibility very early. And for myself and Lebron in Miami when everything happened with Trayvon Martin. That was the first moment where we took that responsibility and start using our voice start using our platform for some more than just ourselves right using our brand for something more than just ourselves and our family. We start a use for other families so I think collectively. We understood that we was leaders of this game. The next wave coming up and we wanted to do it our way and this is our way to speak out to not not be muffled because we're faces of brands to have people really support you if you're going to be the face of a brand on things that are personal to you on things that are that person to so many others. We are the voice for the voiceless. And we understand that one of the things that I've always tried to tell people about you and all the years that I've known you know Gabrielle. Union for many many years as well is that no matter. How accomplished you all on how great you are in your in your respective fields. You are truly one of the best people that I've ever covered in professional sports. You'll beautiful brother. I've always always said that's everybody what I want to transition to think about all the moments whether it's speaking or whether it's you playing a whether that you winning championships and the one thing that I've never asked you in all the years that I know you what's the Ha. I'm not talking about the championship. Because that's a given. But what's the happiest moment? What's the best time you ever had playing basketball? Is there a moment that stands out above the crowd other than winning the actual champ something? That's because you got a lot of great one. Yeah what's the best one to one that you just sit back as small thinking and reflecting on a moment as I I really loved that moment above all else Marquette University Planning College. I can't say I expected to be here in grownups. Chicago played the game of basketball. Because it was an outlet for me and I got an opportunity to get three scholarship offers and I got a chance to pick one and go to Marquette University and that was that was passed surpass a dream kid from inner city. That didn't have really th that vision. My vision was the NBA right. I didn't have the vision when I went to college. Man I grew was a man I became a father very engaged but that was joy it was before the before the business out of a basketball step up it was just a joy of the game plan on one of the highest levels of so taking marquette to the final four was one of my favorite memories and still is to this day. I smile every time I see from college so you I mean obviously. You're Mr Miami Heat. You're the greatest finals between Jordan and Lebron's finals like you had the best finals of any player and got finals. Mvp and all that stuff. So it's automatically elevate you away. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read I believe it. Was You quoted in this article on? Espn DOT COM highly. Recommend right now about Bam at a bio you said. He has a chance to be what to be like. I don't remember she like life. And he's like Alonzo he's like. You D. He's in the church. We seen it right away. You see it in Miami. You know when a guy has a Miami Heat player Admira he'd culture and Bam is that guy he has opportunity a business. Don't get it in a way to be there his entire career and it really do some special toll WBAP. Go Get all my records. They meant to be broken. Please go get them all so you have him Jimmy Butler a whole bunch of guys that you gotta like the cut of their Jimmy Butler. Has the mentality all? Jimmy Has A. He's a Miami Guy. I love him and everything. They need Dwayne this year. They don't have everything they need yet but they're building the things that they need. You know I'm not GonNa say that anything can happen but right now you see them every trade deadline build some more pieces this summer next summer they have more money to keep building so then a good place and now as a former allom. I'm happy about it two quick questions. You're not just a hall of fame player because I bought a hall of fame. But we all know this. Okay but your first. You're you're you're a hall of fame recruiter for Pat Riley. What did you have Jimmy Butler up in Miami? I talked to yesterday about. There's I said listen I did my part. You did your part. That's all I'M GONNA say I'm not saying I delivered Jimmy. I`Ma say I did. My part is wanted to faces up this franchise. And you did your part as the president of this franchise to bring in a player that fit the culture and fit the claw now. Obviously you're very comfortable. I mean you made a lot of money. You're famous. You're no endorsement deals. The list goes on and all. You're doing great work for TNT. I mean we all but is there a party you way way that looks at hero and the specialist that is Dunkin Robinson and Kendrick Nunn would butler and auto bio and it goes like this damn. I might have left a bit too. I might have had one more year left in me. Is that possible absolutely not absolutely not just wrapped up my career and I'm happy to wrap it up. That's why my documentary life unexpected. It's a wrap up of my career. I wanted to close their chapter. Because I don't WanNa be player that continues to look back on. What if I did enough? I've done enough. I'm moving on to this next phase man so I'm happy over here at the opportunity this fall to spend a little time with t Wade Gabrielle. Union when they were a game day in Nebraska. They're incredible people. It takes a few hours of just being around them to find out. Part of WHAT MAKES THEM SPECIAL? They're open this their story thrown the openness with their family. They're actually working hard to make the world a better place. 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We're hanging out in Chicago everybody's hyped for the NBA. All Star festivities. That are hitting Chicago this weekend. It starts tonight and we're getting your thoughts. You guys can chime in triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We want to know who the best point guard in the NBA is right now. Okay you guys have been tweet me you can keep tweeting me at Jason Fitz. You've gotten a lot of thoughts on this. If you missed the second hour I take your take go. Check out the entire show on demand and the first decor take podcast. That's right we have a guest a you can check it out. It's brought to you by IINO. The capital one assistant the catches things might look. The credit card sends an alert to your phone and most importantly helped you fix them. What's in your wallet? Seek capital one dot com for details. All Right I wanNA get your take. We've had I say it's time to get your take in so triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. Who's the Best Point Guard in the NBA? Remember don't just tell me who tell me why. Let's get some of your thoughts on this. Let's go to Nathan in South Dakota Nathan. I like this answer. We're getting a lot of hype for this Guy Nathan. Who's your call for the Best Point Guard in the NBA? Right now I gotta go with trae. Young kid gets overlooked because he plays in Atlanta and the teams are miserable. But if you've ever I watch a lot of their games and if you watch them play it team is completely different when he's not on the court the other thing is is he'll he's on pace to average thirty points ten assists for an entire season. If he does that he'll be only the third player 'em history ever to do beside being the only ones that are gonNA do. It was eight archibald and the Viggo I mean that's a great. What trae young is doing is absolutely incredible and the funny thing is we all remember the tray and Luca Danni were involved in the trade in the draft and the question was who got the best of that train what both of them just made out like bandits because Lucas notching trae young are both playing spectacular basketball. And you're right. People aren't paying attention to the hawks because they stink. That doesn't mean Trey. Young is an absolutely epic at this point. Let's go to Howard in Ohio. Howard see we're getting some of this. I thought we'd get more calls on this when Howard. Who Do you have it? You gotTa tell us who and why for the Best Point Guard in the NBA. Right now. Lebron James Brown James Hansen. Why tell US why Point Guard Point Guard is two guard usually usually. There's a shooting guard point guard with the point guard job and make everybody better to keep the continuity Going on the team Lebron James makes every body better and he still can and I don't agree with any. I mean you're right Lebron's ben making everybody better and it's really. It's incredible to watch but particularly what he's doing this year passing. The basketball is absolutely incredible. And let's remember we just sort of take it for granted because it's Lebron I love this. I mean if you're gonNA call him with the nickname you're gonNA get in on the show the dude in North Carolina. Tell me who the best point guard in the NBA is today and tell me why Damian Lillard baby he is ice man that is the floor General Hill cover anybody. He'll put that ball in the net in your face that dude's iceman bit string. You know what I'm all in for that Damian Lillard. You're asking me right now for the best point guard in the NBA. Right now Damian. Lillard absolutely what he is doing is remarkable. I said it earlier Damian Lillard case. Study Right now because we look at guys and we say men. I want guys to stay where they are in grower. They are so that we get more competitive balance in the NBA. Well I want the trailblazers to be good because dame wants to be there and because when you have a player that's thinking that wants to be there and is that successful God. I wanted to work so that we all pay attention to it. You guys can keep tweeting me at Jason Fitz. I love the conversation. We keep it going all day long. Also I'm interested in a lot of you guys tweeted. Ben Simmons which I thought was a bit look. We all laugh at the three point shooting for Ben Simmons. I get it but I love this all around argument. You can always tell when. Somebody's defensive on their argument when they start with the all around that means. Hey statistically we all see fail but there's an area so people are trying to make defensive side of the ball a reason why we can pinch Ben Simmons into this conversation. What I know is this is going to be an incredible weekend for the NBA. It's going to be emotional weekend for the NBA. Kobe going to be given many opportunities to sort of giving memorial and give grief to to Kobe Bryant. Everyone that tragically died recently. Obviously that's going to be a heavy moment for the for the NBA but the best part of the NBA's over the course of the next few days we get what we love highlights and personality. You don't get any better than that Chicago. You have been a glorious. Os will gain show coming up next. Don't go anywhere stick around next. We're hanging out. I take your take.

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MJ's City

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MJ's City

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by the capital. One saver card earned four percent cashback on dining and entertainment. Two percent grocery stores end one percent on all other purchases. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP and ESPN news. That's right we are live coming at you in Chicago. Oh it has been a day we are ready for weekend as the NBA. All Star festivities are GonNa be going on throughout the course of the weekend. We'll get you started with the headlines. You need to know it starts no more Norman. The Washington redskins are releasing quarterback. Josh Norman he told NBC Sports Washington on Friday his quote. It's their choice not mine. Now I can start something. New and fresh Norman said new redskins coach Ron Rivera who remember coached him back and Carolina. Call them Friday to inform him of the release so it saves the Redskins about twelve and a half million dollars cap space. We'll see what happens to that money where it gets. Us moving forward next headline you need to know. Brittney griner got her wish. She resigned with the only she's ever played in the WNBA inking a multi year contract. That's according to the team. She's twenty nine years old. She resigns That's the third big move for the mercury this week remember on Tuesday. They traded to WanNa Bonner to the Connecticut Sun for three first draft picks but then a day later not to be outdone. They flipped a couple of those picks. They had been active before the season starts. And the last headline you need Myles Garrett now we know that myles Garrett has been reinstated the NFL. We also now know that myles Garrett has spoken as last night he talked to He talked to me and they started to figure out what it looks like. Moving forward one of the things he was honest and open about in that process was the fact that he has accused Mason. Rudolph of using a racial slur on the play that will directly led to the incident that we all know everything about that. Get you caught up on the headlines. You need to know again. We're coming at you from Chicago. It's I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty. We have two straight talk. Straight Talk Wireless has the full court cell phone coverage you need. Get The unlimited plan with twenty five gigs of high speed data. Then two G. for just forty five bucks a month savings up to half the cost of big carriers. Everything for less savings may vary see terms and conditions at Straightalk DOT com. This is what we're asking you since we are hanging out in Chicago. We like to give you a question everyday based on the topic. I well we want your take on who the best point guard is in all the NBA triple eight say espn eight. Eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We're GONNA see some great point guards over the course of this weekend. Also I'm curious. How many of you guys are going to decide that? Lebron's a point guard triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Also you can tweet me at Jason Fitz the Hashtag first date in the meantime as we just told you with the headlines. Myles Garrett spoke. Now it's important to know as myles Garrett spoke. There was a lot to get into. I have to stress. Here CONTEXT MATTERS. You can watch the entire interview tomorrow morning on. Ot L. as he sat down with Me Times. This is what he had to say about what caused him to so to go over the edge in the moment that we've all seen so many times. What did he say to you? I mean he called me the n Word Communists stupid and we're I don't like man I don't see it in word whether it's a he are to me personally just shouldn't be said and whether it's known by family friends anyone and I don't Wanna use it because I don't want to find appropriate around me for anyone us so on what he said. It kind of sparked something but I still tried to let it go still walk away. Once he came back kind of got reignited the situation. He denied that he said what you're alleging. And then after your initial appeal leaked out and you said. I wish this didn't get out at all because I didn't want to use it as justification for my actions because there's nothing to justify now again you'll be able to see the entire interview tomorrow on. Ot L. with me as a myles Garrett sat down with ESPN's meeting also. There'll be more context with on the daily on. Monday's edition of in the meantime. I do have to make sure that everybody understands the full context. The other things he said in that interview is that while that is an explanation of what caused him to lose his cool. It does not excuses accents. He made that very clear not using as an excuse. He was using it as some sort of an explanation for why things got to where they work now with that being said Chicago legend. We all know and love Michael. Wilbon Join Maxon Stephen to talk about their impressions of what Myles Garrett had to say. Well it's a difficult reaction because I'm certainly not GonNa Call Mas Jared Aligarh. Okay because I do find it. Odd that in the day in a modern day age of technology. And what have you that? There's no sound whatsoever that that we've heard that we can find to say that we can't find there's no evidence whatsoever and there's no sound this a bit suspicious on part of the NFL everything else. Mike in this day and age. How come how come that wasn't? I mean I find that very very suspicious but also we live in a nation where innocent until proven guilty and. There's no proof that. Rudolph said what he said. So we understand that my my biggest message to and I feel the need will especially with you here to say this so everybody understands this. We can talk about not using the and word all we want to get all that. We understand the day and age in this. Today's Day and age. You gotta you gotTa Watch language. You got to do all of that other stuff but people out in the world you can never say that to us and it is seen as a term of demon or anything just going any hood in the country if you white and black folks. Watch what happened to you? Okay Trust me so all of this other stuff. Y'All show why can't we cause you ain't black? That's why they get over it. Get that out the way now. Tomorrow's Jerry having said all of this. There's no excuse. I don't care what he said. It's your not. There is no excuse to rip off his helmet that tried to knock him upside the head with it. You can't do that so to me. The NFL still should have extended his suspension. Just one more game into the season Cleveland and make the playoffs. He was suspended the last six games of the regular season. He they should have had one additional game to start the two thousand twenty season just to remind everybody in the NFL. You do not take off a helmet and smacks try to smack. Somebody upside the head with it under no circumstances. Can you pull that off? Because what we need to think about is what if he had connected realized solidly dropped Mason. Rudolph do you understand Mason? Rudolph could have filed charges against assault charges against if that had happened. We gotta think about that and understand. Words may hurt and it may not be right for somebody to say that to you. But that doesn't mean it gives you the right to act the way. Miles jared did which will I guarantee as I continually? Bring up because when this is discussed I think this is overlooked. Rudolph started to fight. He escalated the fight when he tried to take off. Miles Garrett's helmet. He then lost that part. Garrett took off his helmet he wasn't the one who introduced helmets he then pursued myles. Garrett as US being restrained and push back to Mason Rudolph's teammates he pursued him if myles Garrett swings his helmet and there's no one there knowing gets hit but but Mason Rudolph is going after him. So I'm not excusing miles. Garrett's behavior if I was a fight with someone bigger than me that I started and then escalated and then pursued and I got hit with like with the object. I escalated it to I think. Have such a great argument victim. Nevertheless the N. Word is what we're talking about. Miles Garrett's claim first of all. I think it's interesting that Garrett says he does not like that word used around him and he doesn't use the word meaning he doesn't use it with an a or one. It used around him as a word that among black people at times some people can simply means man but it is slang for men really when you think about what it means versus the Er which is a hateful. It's the strongest and worst word in the English language. And and so it's not that he doesn't make a distinction he doesn't want it around him period and he doesn't traffic in it. It's a serious issue to him. Now whether Mason Rudolph actually said it. It seems to me pretty clear that myles. Garrett believes he said it whether or not Mason. Rudolph set it Myles. Garrett thinks he did the punishments have been meted out everything that part has been concluded. The legality of all has now been concluded and he's asked a point blank question in life. It is important even if the facts are disputed even if the if Mason Rudolph didn't say at the now he's being victimized in the worst kind of way right. It's always to tell the truth so the question is do you believe that. Myles Garrett is telling the truth does he re not whether Mason Rudolph said it but does myles Garrett think he said it? It seems to me that he does. The punishment should have been longer. Six Games is a joke. The once again doesn't get it and I'm not talking about just the optics. Six Games couldn't get it right with five games with my man from Tennessee for stepping on. Somebody's Allie haze worth didn't get that right. They don't ever get it right. How can the? Nfl does many advisors in committees and people working in their front off. How come they can never get anything? Right of major importing thing get all the marketing right. They can do that. They can deal with the product they can. Competition Committee can get that right. They can't get basic things right. The punishment should have been longer like Stephen. I'm a little skeptical and not let me just say this by the way as much as I just said he should have more punishment. If I was called that in the heat of something I might saw almost swing whatever I have but I would and I started with you and then called you that I would swing whatever I had now might have to accept the punishment to my great question but so I start there with the NFL. Because I think that's being overlooked. It should have been eight-game punishment at minimum. Probably ten to twelve games but with myles. Garrett the interesting thing is other nobody else on the field hurt it he did. He whispered in his ear. Like what's the context? Other players. Black players have been asked about Dan. They heard it. And I don't know what to say two miles Gary Myles Garrett and just talking to people in and around Cleveland is yes good guy and beloved right. I mean people myles. Garrett is folks favorite player on that team not to quarterback but myles Garrett and so. I don't know what to believe Stephen. Listen I don't know what the about fifty miles where it's making it up and I know I don't know we don't know first of all secondly it would be agreed just for us to accuse him of La Lying. Yeah there's nothing in his in his history that says he is a liar justice but the but that's why we don't know because in the same breath while he's you're not trying to call him a liar. There is no evidence that any of us have that says Mason Rudolph said what Myles Garrett has accused him up. There were other black exactly. What's difficult about this as we try? And all together is where the conspiracy theory lies if you believe that he said it in the League knows it in the League did nothing about it. I would ask why I mean. This is one of those instances where maybe he didn't say it. And maybe myles Garrett isn't lying maybe it's as simple as myles Garrett thought he heard something and he didn't put. I would argue this if you believe that the NFL knows that Mason. Rudolph said something that myles Garrett did nothing or the the League did nothing about it. Then what? You're believing at that point. Is that a quarterback that means nothing to the NFL quarterback Dick. Frankly be escaped. Go to quarterback the NFL could move on with with no hesitation with they protected that quarterback and instead didn't protect one of their star players that had an absolute meltdown on national TV. Wouldn't it have been better for the League to turn around? And if they had any audio any support wouldn't have made more sense for the League to step up and say. Hey guess what I know. He went off but this is why he did it. They haven't done that. That's not a win for the NFL alternately. The toughest part about this is that it is. He said he said. And nobody's ever going to likely. No the real answer. In the meantime the one thing we do know is it the browns myles Garrett at Mason Rudolph are all going to have to try and find some way to move forward. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and of course. Espn news were presented by Progressive Insurance. You hang out with us on the Shell Pennzoil performance on triple eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. I do Kogyo you see behind me. We are here for the NBA. All-star weekend festivities. It is going to be an absolutely wild weekend if I taken that live. Crowd was any indication if the crowd we had a Harry carries this morning for Golic and Wingo was any indication. It is going to be epic so what I know is we want you to call us and tell us who's the best point guard in the NBA? Right now we owe. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We're getting into it. We're going to have the games tonight. We're going to start to see some of the young guns. What do you think who's the best point guard in the NBA? Triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven nine three seven seven six in the meantime an MBA legend Chicago. Native Dwayne Wade was on. I take today. He joined Maxon Steven A. And they had a conversation not just about the point guards but about favorites and really molly asked a great question about who we should be looking at not in the West but in the east. Budi have coming out of the east well. Well Miami's almost there who is doing. Obviously Milwaukee is the team that you have to take down. You know you look at Boston. What they're doing those young guys opportunity. It is exciting. Bring a canned Bandai's exciting but in to somebody to beat the freak sops you have to show us that you beat this guy Right now as a man on a mission and less I'm happen I don't see nobody beat me long. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. I don't give a damn about anybody's opinion about the eastern conference. I'm thinking about your boy out west. Get Isa Milwaukee. Okay Milwaukee ally was always so I always report me. I want Miami and La so come his. Hopefully we pray. But here's the deal. Your boy Lebron James in La Soloist. Yes Sir As you look out in the West and guess what I get to ask you this question because you work. Ot now which we gotta give an honest. Is it your boy purple? Or is it the clippers me? What you looking at West so this is how I look at it right. I feel that the clippers right now. Have a mental age on the Lakers. Whatever it is. They have a mid to the Lakers. But what? I'm afraid of the clippers before they get to the Lakers. Right that letdown of thinking about just the Lakers and forget and looking over team like Denver. Right looking over team like Utah Looking at what team like Houston? The Lakers failed that yes. We all feel that would Lebron AD and the cast they have. They are championship worthy. But the clippers are still there. So it's GonNa be tough man. I don't know Marcus Morris was added so now we've got beverly George assume he's healthy kuwa- and Marcus Morris debt can guard. You're thirty five yield best friend not NBA. Sita have you talked to Lebron. About how concert you walk about him going up against do absolutely not. Listen He'd been to the finals eight times I think he I think he know what he thought about. Lebron nine okay. It's not about Lebron's it's about the rest of the guys on the team. We understand that. So it Lebron House to show up for sure but you gotTa have big play from coups. Got A big play from Avery Bradley. You GotTa have big play for Danny Green and so forth and so on so the Lakers. It's going to be very interesting. I mean I got the clippers and a Lakers game seven goes down to the last two minutes and Max Kellerman where Max Calvin Coolidge was here. I don't know what's going on with him. That's it so as much as it's a team sport. The team that wins the championship. Time has dwayne Wade in his prime. You weren't Michael Jordan. But you're just about as good as anyone else right in your prime. You have that kind of guy you win the whole thing. Kobe in his Prime Lebron in his prime. I look at the freak. I see a guy who's getting there. He's playing at an incredibly high level. I see Lebron I see a guy who's been there still playing at an incredibly high level. I see a why even if he's not at his best what the freak will be or Lebron was his best is right now and Dwayne. That's why I like the clippers. Because they're they're good defensively. Patrick Beverley all that stuff but when push comes to shove they have a hungry dude in his prime to that you say what I say. I cannot argue with you on. That collide is proven. Beat US many years ago. He did it again recently. I feel that a good friend of mine somebody. I'm going to be looking at to really step up to this to his opportunity in his challenges. Paul George we need Paul George to be Paul George it. They're gonNA make it to the finals and dislike. Ad has to be a d. that we all know he can be is going to be good to me. Yes the rope has got to do the job with Paul. Who's going to step up? Who's going to say you know? I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting on the broad. This is my tie. What about this hamstring? Are you concerned? Now it's the third time very much. So hamstrings very tricky in my career. Lot on a very tricky in you know hopefully good good good doctors but it is very tricky. It's nagging. What's your take on. Houston going small ball like Steven will be doing the celebrity game roster a single team. Golo set out to rail. So that's a little real we get him with all y'all Chicago manipulated this and we says as bad as bets right. But I'M GONNA find a way but I shouldn't have to like that I mean you're talking about stacking the deck against the problem. Probably I I said at the other night on. I love what Houston is doing because they bought into what they want to do. And I love the Way Russell. Westbrook is planned. This is my favorite Russell. Westbrook right now he is attack. He's not shooting threes. He's going at it so I love what Houston's doing who knows that they have enough. Because of the. The left of the Lakers and the clippers by I mean they going to be scary and along those lines. What they did really with with Houston is clear out right and let westbrook attack the basket. There's no one near clogging up later. And so that he could distribute to the shooter's Philadelphia. Think should do. I'm not arguing embiid. And Simmons CAN'T COEXIST. They function a very high level together. But when I look at Simmons I see a guy where if he had his own team constructed around him we could see something like with the freak is doing what do you think about the sixers so I got so being someone who knows this. Reach out to them all the time for them to be what we think they can be. I think on Ben Simmons a theme Joel. Embiid was going to do what he does but then has to be the one at the end of games. He has the ball in hand. He can hide ban on a baseline. We need to have the DUNKER SPA confidence to make make fifteen seventeen footer. He can do it. I've watched them shoot this summer. I watched them work out. He can do it he take it yes to unlock it and just stop thinking about to stop caring basketball wondering the things that. I pay attention to an I give so much props to people like you koby and so many others when you're in places like South beach and La. There could be a lot of distractions. So you're a star those environments that matters now that's not Philadelphia so when I look at Ben Simmons with somebody like that and this seems to be something missing. I get very very concerned. When I think about the Philadelphia seventy exotic talent wise. They could take anybody out in the east if they come together. What advice can you give guys about being ready staying focused on whatever they need to do to maximize their potential in today's Modern Day Gay? Well don't wait. This is not waiting right. I don't want I love being. I think being can be a star in this league and I don't want him to wait and say wait. My opportunity take it now and I think a lot of guys do they wait and say oh next year or next year when our came in third year championship. I got time to wait. Let's get this going. Let's get it on was so my thing with these guys. You have talent take talented offering in a lot of mentors in Idaho and Kobe. Take what you have and go at it. Go out w work work work work. And that's what I want to see these guys. Do Miss guys like Donovan Mitchell. He don't have the attributes to some of those guys got but he has dog and he hasn't worked at this. That's why he's an all star now so I want to see a guy like Ben Simmons. Look. I'M NOT WAITING. I WANNA be League. Mvp Now and not later. 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Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and of course. Espn News Jason Fitz presented by progressive. Insurance you can hang out with us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. I WanNa know who's the Best Point Guard in the NBA? Not An easy question because how we qualifying who's appointed right now Lebron. He's going to be interesting. We're getting a lot of tweets. Hit me out there at Jason Fitz Hashtag I. I take will read some of those in a little bit. Also triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. That's how you can get in on the conversation now. The conversation around the clippers is starting to get concerning because Paul George reinjured his hamstring last night in the loss to the Celtics that's significant because he's missed time so much throughout the course of the season in fact when I talked to earlier today which made clear that even the clippers feel like they need to get a certain number of games. What is that twelve fifteen? They need to get the guys together on the floor and it hasn't been able to happen so far this year. It's the biggest concern the clippers avenue. Mine of some. The question is how concern is the panel by the way the NBA's all star weekend begins tonight presented by poll twenty four check out the NBA Rising Stars Challenge Eight PM Eastern Sorry Nine PM Eastern on Espn Radio Station. So as we take a look at. What's going on with the clippers? The question is Max Stephen. How worried are you about Paul George in the hamstring injury? Right now if this is a recurring problem with Paul George there sunk. They have to hope that they get this guy not only healthy for the playoffs but with enough runway that he's in basketball shape for the playoffs. Because Steve Needs is a third time on the same leg for some reason. I'm not concerned about Paul George. I am concerned about the clippers But I'm not concerned about Paul George because I think particularly with what they're doing a while in terms of low management and things of that nature. They're not gonNA have any problems whatsoever sitting Paul George Down and making sure that he's healthy enough to be ready to go in April. That's just the situation so I'm not concerned in that regard his way. I'm concerned about the clippers. Their championship play. Seems to be reserved for the Lakers. Not anybody else. Everybody else gives them a run for their money. Understand something here last night you looking at the Boston Celtics. Clearly the Boston Celtics have very little to no bench. It's about this and five. And this is Jason. Tatum's team make no mistake about it. This kid is a superstar in the making. He had thirty nine last night. He was absolutely cessation. Marcus smart as much as I love and respect. That brought the incomplete like that every night. What he had thirty one point five three pointers ten or twenty. Shoot from the field today. Marcus smart. That was an aberration. Usually it's kimball walking. It's doing something like that. Not Him in a case of the clippers. What Lou Williams thirty five off the Bench Herald? Twenty four off the Boston. Celtics scored nineteen points. They entire Bitch Lou. Williams outscored the entire sixteen points. Montrose Harris scored outscored their targets by Fox. The clippers are loaded. But here's the thing if you get in your mind's eye the lake the lake the Lakers and you get up for them but you don't play to that level against anybody else. Here's the problem Milwaukee. I'M SORRY THAT MILWAUKEE DENVER UTAH Houston. They're coming if you don't bring that game against them. You might not get to the Lakers. And that's what we got to be. Mindful of the Clippers there so held that they were stepchild for so many years that you so desperately want to usurp the Lakers i. I understand that he lost part of that is just. Those are the biggest games for them. That's where the media attention is to me. That that bodes well for the play Offs Big Game Too. Because when the pressure's on they play really well but about the Celtics if you go on the road to face the Celtics team and I thought they'd be better this year minus kyrie irving plus Kemba Walker another year for Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and Gordon Hayward another year removed from the injury. And that's what we saw. Never Mind Marcus smart right if you go on the road. Celtics beat capable of beating any team on any night. You go on the road and it comes down to like maybe if Lou Williams gets that call and it was close probably they got it right but if Lou Williams gets to call whereas when he thought he was fouled on his three point shots. Maybe they win that game when it comes down to a double overtime game. Lost to the to the Celtics where you were without Paul George. For a lot of the game because they played two overtimes. That's not a bad loss. I take your take brought to you by linked in boots or winning team today. Good Lincoln Dot com slash sports. Let's not get this twisted. They lost to a good celtics team in double overtime and they only had Paul George for half the game. We're just so busy trying to find some reason not to believe in some of these teams in the NBA. It's a little maddening. That being said there is a pointing concerned with the fact that. Let's be honest. Paul George hasn't been able to be much so there isn't the ability for the clippers to get rhythm. The thing that we presume is it. They'll be able to flip the switch. Why I think Max is right there. The fact that they've been able to do that against the Lakers is an indication that they'll be able to do that against the best teams in the playoffs. I don't worry about that but there is some level of you have to get some games together to know where these teams are. Remember a very important thing about this weekend. It's all star weekend but it's not the midway point of the NBA season. We're far past the midway point of the NBA NBA season. So when you've got teams then only have around thirty games left. How many games do you need to see where Paul George can come in and be healthy and they can get some rhythm is the twelve? Is Fifteen is a twenty. We're running out of time to get before the playoffs actually start. That is the point of concern. We're asking you on. I take your take. I want to know who the best point guard in the NBA is today. Call triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We're getting some different votes on twitter. We'll read some of those. At first at Jason Fitz has said I take that I know our Social Media Handle. Get out there to tell me who and always ask you. If you're gonNA tell me who tell me why triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six. We've heard some first day. We'll get your take on the best point guards in the NBA right now. We'll do that next. I take your take on. Espn radio with the capital in venture card unlimited double miles on every purchase everyday. And you can use those miles toward travel expenses like flights hotels rental cars more just book and pay for your travel using your venture card in redeem your miles toward the cost capital one. What's in your wallet? Credit approval required capital one bank. Usaa I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel Eighty Jason Fitz. We're asking you who the best point guard in the NBA is right now mean. We're in Chicago. We're hanging out. I got a backdrop like I got the city behind me. Come on now. We're all excited for the NBA. All Star game. Don't forget you can check out the celebrity game tonight. Stephen and Michael. Wilbon get your coaches watch for no reason other than that. I still think Stephen is going to get himself kicked out. I'm just saying I know everybody's fired up about it. We know you're fired up about who the best point guard is in the NBA. You can tweet me at Jason Fitz. You can also call triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six let's go to Ivan in Pennsylvania Ivan. This is a very popular choice so I know where you're going. Tell me who tell me why. Who's the Best Point Guard in the NBA? A day on I'm GONNA go with Dave loader man Written humor stay. He's been underrated He's always had some Some on the shoulder That killer instinct like our great Kobe Bryant and it's hard to match. It's hard to find you know in in the rest of the point guard. Lebron I pin and I totally agree with everything you're saying there. And I I'm frustrated four Damian Lillard because I believe that if he was somewhere the this is that moment right what do you want? What do you not want the NBA? Because if he was somewhere where he can get more attention he'd be a bigger superstar. But these are the guys you want to stay where they are. I love the loyalty to Portland. I want them to figure it out. I want that team to be good. Because he is so stinking. Good we're getting a lot of tweets for him also jaws getting some love on twitter. You know I love John Mirant. Y'All know how big like I'm telling you. I don't care what anybody says is the rookie of the year. And I don't care what Diane does. Moving forward Jamaran is the rookie. I'M NOT GONNA call them the best point guard in the NBA surly for that plus. Where's Lebron factory on this call triple eight say? Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. Tweet me at fits. If you missed the first hour I take your take your take. Check out the entire interview on demand or the entire thing on demand. I should say In the first. Take your take podcast brought to you. By the capital and savor card earn four percent cashback Oh dining and entertainment to presented grocery stores in one percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? I'M IN CHICAGO THE NBA. All Star festivities are in Chicago. But we're not getting a lot of love for Chicago. Players polls have not been as good as expected this year. They have not taken a step forward. That being said Stephen a Smith Max Kellerman. We're joined today by the star of the bills. That we've got all eyes on Zach Levine. They had the chance to talk to the Bulls player about playing Michael's house. And the is that are on him you being in my house. That House that Michael built their the aerial assault. That you bring to the game of basketball. I personally believe your box office. Do you believe that about yourself? I feel like whenever I stepped on the floor. You know I'm a we're entertainers they. You know you know I you know I can I can entertain you know the best of them so you know you. You don't go goggle booze game. You don't see some spectacular before we get this question. We were talking to debate. And the list of the top slam dunk contest performers throughout history. Who Do you believe is the best dunk? Oh Volta of it for sure. I gotTa tell you. I don't think Vince thank you. You too are on the same. You have you to Dr J. J. Like that. I don't think anyone's ever dunked better than I think you know it goes by the errors will so you know? Vince was doing stuff in two thousand that we had never seen before to the city. I feel like you're doing on his and you know what I mean. So it's by Airbus Vincent. The one that he was doing some of this stuff in games three point contrast. Oh great you shoot. I don't mind I don't mind seeing you and the three points test but being the three pointed star in a slam dunk on. Now I'm thinking about you know we we got along season left left I got approved with dunk into you know. I'm taking a home run. Take a lot out of you when you participate in the conscious about his home run. Don't waste all my swings through the second half of the year. So that when you look at the landscape which player out there would you like to play with? You think he will complement each other. Who Do you see man? There's a lot of news out there. I love the play with but he knows adobe relist in let's hear both what's ideal what's realistic you know. Everybody wants to play with the best players in the world. You know I would love to go out there and play with you know Do Lebron James and nobody does type opportunities. I don't think she wind up on the Lakers. Right you know things like that but you know I'll play. I'll play for play for a point guard. You know you can get up and down the floor and pass the ball up like that and sometimes dominant big man too because if you get the double team. Swimming here is a big man of trying to think of. Who APPOINT CAR COULD BE? And then otherwise. You'd have to go to the Lakers. They couldn't bring any more to you. So as as the worst goes either one swift. Kick your take on. Espn radio forget pennzoil synthetic motor oils and made from natural gas. So the next time you get an oil change as for pennzoil the proof is in the pennzoil and coverage of all star Saturday night Begins on ESPN radio at eight PM Eastern so a lot of opportunities to watch some of these stars get into. I believe that the the rising stars game by the way is going to be spectacular. You WanNa talk about watching guys play together. Joh- and Zion. Well I'm just saying all right. We Wanna WHO's the best point guard in the NBA right now aaa say espn eight. Eight eight seven nine three seven. Seven six cody in Virginia. Thanks for calling the show weaver state. What's your take so I think currently John Rant claim the best in the league just over the grizzlies without him yet. It hasn't had the experience in the time. But what are they begin? The most crucial is the brawn. Because it's the bronx or be without them and being just said he would love to have a point Dr. They can go coast to coast. Run up and down. The floor dropped right there. Well I I love the call. Thanks and again. I'll say this loud. I think Ajami rant were in a market other than Memphis that people pay more attention to he would be a megastar already he will be a Megastar. I think he's playing so incredibly well. It is changing the entire trajectory of the franchise. And the way that they will rebuild the grizzlies. Let me be clear about how much I love John Moran but he's not the best point guard in the NBA. Right now. If I had to take jar dame I mean is that is that really a conversation. And we're does Lebron factor into all of this because we are talking about somebody. That's not a traditional card. But that's what he's running a lot so it's not easy to to figure this one out key. Tweet me at Jason Fitz. I WanNa know your thoughts and remember. Some of you guys are tweeting us here. Just give me a name. It doesn't work. All right. I think is not based on just saying you gotta say and then he had a back it up so if you give me a name then back it up tell me who and tell me why triple eight say. Espn eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Don't forget tune into mall for College Basketball Action Ohio state battles purdue coverage begins at eleven thirty am eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. If you haven't been watching a big ten basketball this year. It has been spectacular. In the meantime we will continue to get your thoughts. I think your take. I want your take the best point guard in the NBA. We'll get you all the action you need from Chicago for the All Star. Game I eight year take.

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Daily Huddle: No Look Pass

Let's Talk Game with Tiffani Lewis

02:56 min | 3 months ago

Daily Huddle: No Look Pass

"The NBA Wmba seasons have started back up I've only caught one game so far, but like many basketball fans I'm looking forward to the tempo and intensity. This season will brink. It's a lot more on the line. Players are bringing that to the game. Don't get me wrong. I'm looking forward to some highlights to Dunks, lobs crossovers, but is something about that. No look pass that true finesse to the gain. Some of the greatest. No look passes of all time. John Stockton Steve Nash Steph Curry Arguably. Rajon, Rondo Carl Malone. It's nothing like seeing a player in all confidence. Take that ball up the court. Drive into the paint in dish it off with a no look. Pass finished the player scores. In the NBA Dunks are expected, but is that no look pass that catches you off guard, which is why many have not mastered it. Two things have to happen at were four. No look pass to occur successfully. Fars the passer has to have foresight as to where the recipient will be. This is what makes the no look. Pass so smooth is just not the no look, but it's the no look with the understanding and awareness of where the recipient is going. The recipient must be ready. This can go either two ways. They can catch it or they don't, and they don't. is nothing short of a disappointment, because if caught ninety percent of the time is buckets. The second thing that must happen in order for the no look pass to be successful. The player has to be emotion. When you're in motion, you're not stopped or stationary. There's momentum being exerted. And, being emotion requires you to stay focused on what's in front of you while also anticipating what's coming at you and for the big man holding down the paint? This is not easy. These guys are huge six foot eight seven feet now is one thing to run the baseline, but a completely different one to run the court trail the pain, not clobbering the man in front of you while possibly anticipating a quick dish. From the point, Guard So many factors to account for in a lot of trust going on there. Is Not easy, even though it looks easy, you may be saying tiffany. How does this apply to me? I don't play basketball. You're right, but you might be working two jobs to make ends meet or staying at home, juggling the demands of your kids or carrying the load of school. Whatever it is, keep going stay emotion. God the Ultimate Point Guard sees it all in every now and then. He might throw you a no look pass. Will you be ready. This has been another daily huddle. Be Sure to subscribe to let's talk game with Tiffany Lewis on your favorite streaming platform and I'll see you all tomorrow.

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Scal & McDonough: Zion Leaves The Bubble & Ben Simmons Leaves The Backcourt

Big Time Basketball

31:50 min | 3 months ago

Scal & McDonough: Zion Leaves The Bubble & Ben Simmons Leaves The Backcourt

"This, he's the scarlet bells podcast with NBA champion Brian. SCELO, brainy, former NBA, general manager and Executive Ryan mcdonagh. Hello and welcome back to Scallon Pals everyone I'm Ryan mcdonagh and I'll be joined as always by Brian scallop brainy as a reminder, we have fresh podcasts out. Mondays and Thursdays with the best guests in the NBA. Follow us on twitter at Scallon. Pals, you can subscribe rate and review us on Itunes spotify wherever you find your favorite podcasts, and we will have live shows for you on radio DOT com. In late July leading up to the NBA's returned to play again Ryan, mcdonagh with you and bring him. Brian scale rainy here in a minute scale. We have a big show today we we have a packed show today with superstar whose team is on the playoff bubble the that. That guy left the Orlando bubble, and we're not sure if and when he'll return, it looks like it'll be back at some point but There's lots of breaking news there on Brett. Brown has said that Ben Simmons will play quote. lucidly at power forward will get into that as well. The Earn Fox. The Young Star Point Guard for the Sacramento. Kings out of action for at least a week. We'll talk about that and Kemba. Walker another star point guard, as been limited participant for the Celtics, unfortunately, a more positive tests for Kobe nineteen. We'll talk about that and how they impact those teams as well. a-plus will have an impact update on the snitch hotline from the NBA's bubble. And then we'll have pacers insider Jay Michael Guy. Who knows that team as well as anybody? He will join us to Break Down Victory Depot Situation Malcolm. Brogden health and everything else related to the Indiana Pacers, but before we get into that scall-. Are You doing today? Man, you know Ryan. I got two things going on in my life right now. One I wonder if I could like just leave my family bubble and be quarantine for fourteen days I kind of I've been talking to people down in Orlando and what they have to go through. They sit in their room and get bags by package. food delivered to them. Get a knock on the door, but once you clear those two days. You get to do whatever you want. It's like fantasy camp well, so I have a ask you a question what has been your imposed by during Kobe I wh- What have you done? That's out of the ordinary because you're going to definitely look back and say if it wasn't for krona buyers. I wouldn't have done this. I think two things come to mind one. Is I think we own every streaming APP possible now I think. Amazon prime. Net flicks Disney plus an honor. Who I think. We have all of them you when I check our bill every month. Like why are we paying for like seven streaming services, and then the second is the the this actually has worked out well on the financial markets scalped bought a bunch of stuff and sold stuff I usually don't unlike to call. Call it day trading. That's not exactly what I do, but you know by the Stock Market's I've gone from a passive investor to somebody who wakes up like five am on here on the West Coast and his checking the pre market trading You know like one of these star Hedge Fund managers, which clearly not so those have been the two things that My life and some of the ways. My life has changed over the past few months till I should've I. Should've went to your school because you and I did I bought fifteen chickens, and that's fine, if I had the chickens, but now I gotTa build the Coupe and then I got to build the run. Don't do anything small, so I dislike I've been doing this for the last two months like working like eight to ten hours every day, building, this Dane, chicken, coop and I. It's almost finished in the second thing going on which is great. This is like a great thing. I. Wife and kids are going to Seattle for two weeks, and there's nothing like being a man your own house and you can do whatever you want. You Watch TV although streaming services you talk about. I'M GONNA for about two days. There'd be no chicken coup building. No nothing and I'm just GonNa like just veg out I. Wish I wish there were going a little later. I can sit around watch gains, but Aspen it. Man and I I'm always wondering am I the only one doing crazy stuff during quarantine, or is everybody doing stuff? Well, you know for a guy like me scale when you say you bought all those chickens. I think like prepackaged chicken breasts I. Do, and what comes I? I didn't know you actually met live chickens. Without a coop, what are they doing? There's running around your yard like bumping into each other and pooping everywhere. Like what what? What are these chickens doing? Well, they they were down in the basement for forever, and then it got. It was nasty down there manicure cruel when they're small, but chickens grow bass like in a in about four weeks their full size really say six to eight weeks, but I should have had them out like two weeks ago and then. I have unfinished a half of the basements. This nasty down there, so then now I got coop. Don, but didn't they need a run? Do working on the run right now and I'm just about because out here. You got to seal it up. You can't have raccoons or fisker casts or boxes getting into the chicken run. They'll eat them all up in one day that those are the chicken. Braschi were talking about. Those boxes are checking it out, so I got all that stuff done. Family leaves tomorrow and a chicken coop slash run is done, but now I'll probably start in about two or three days demoing my kitchen so I just I can't stick. Sit around and do nothing so that's I was just wondering. Are The people I work? Maybe I should just traits dot. You should teach me or my, I. I would bet with you. You made all kinds of money for me. During the regular season in the NBA just rolling with your bets, and now I should have just traded stocks with you, too, and then I could have just pay someone to do the kitchen. Versus you know slaving eight hours a day over you know demoing kitchens, dust and madness. That's kind of my general theory on lifestyle. You could do it yourself, or you could try to make more money and then pay somebody else to do it and so Since I haven't been smart enough to start online delivery company I figured just give my money to Jeff Bezos and let him figure out how to. Amazon pretty well or less dining twenty five years now they've been publicly traded. But just to wrap up on this and this Ryan mcdonagh again joined with by Brian Stella brainiacs gals. I swear we'll talk some basketball. Some point but I'm fascinated by this gal So what is a run for those of us? Who Know nothing about animals like myself? And did you run this by your wife? The lovely Kristen's gathering before you went and purchased all the Chickens Nov eight the one that convinced me and I was you know in my mind I was thinking is going to be this. This family project and everyone's GonNa be out there helping and then I realized it's way more complicated to build stuff than I thought so there's no help from the kids. Kristen has been outdoors by. She's worked. She works with me I mean. If you know you know Kristen, little bit. She's like you know like she's not going to like Make just make me do it or not down to space. What else to do it, so? She's been out there working, but my idea of having the family. Family project is definitely did not exist the kids. All they've been doing is sitting inside watching all those streaming services. You were talking about why I'm outside, getting some burned and trying to build this is chicken coop a run? A run is outside of the Ku. It's this all netted with a hardware cloth, so they can run around Aaron and be protected by animals, but no roof on it. A coup is all sealed up as a rule. They're not out in the elements so the difference between a chicken. Chicken coup and chicken run, see we. We give our listeners a lot here on scallon pals. Usually, it's NBA related, but there's some other additional info as well and I guess my excuse Gal I don't know if I need an excuse not to purchase dozens of chickens, but if I do need one one hundred and sixty degrees here in Phoenix last weekend I feel like if I brought all those chickens Ba- fried chicken the yard and they'd be. They'd be roasted by the time I bring them back. Hey! They survive in that. There's no chickens in Phoenix I. Tell You right now. We got some Scorpio plenty of Scorpions. Maybe some rattlesnakes, but no chickens. Given that we've done almost ten minutes on the chicken coop. Maybe we'll talk a little basketball hut now scale Zion Williamson the big news today breaking this morning the Pelicans Star rookie, their starved forward announced today. The PELICANS announced today that Williamson left the Disney campus to tend to an urgent family medical matter. The the Pelicans have not said what that matter is. Zion does appear to return to new to Orlando at some later date scowl, but keep in mind that he's going to have to quarantine for a minimum. Minimum of four days up to a week and a half or potentially two weeks I'm still getting some interpretation of the rules air, but What do you think about the impact that Zion is going to have scale not only if he doesn't play, but just if he comes back to practice late, and then has to be integrated into the game action immediately by the Pelicans well I mean. It depends on four days or two weeks. If it's two weeks, I can't. That's that's going to hurt those guys like. They're in a situation where. They got to win like five or five of the eight games for them to even be in the hunt here so I'm I'm assuming wait. That's not true because you said they have to be with him. How many games to have a plan game just within four games right there Ryan well. Yes, and no, so they have to be within four games of the eighth spot scale, but they also have to be in ninth place right circle, because it's so bunched in the western conference. Obviously, if there's a a planet can only take place. Place between two teams so here here are the standings in the West right now? It's basically you know four or five teams for one spot. The PELICANS are in eighth place. They are three and a half games ahead of three teams the Portland, trailblazers, the New Orleans Pelicans and the sacramental kings, and we'll get into the kings here and a little bit with to the aren't Fox four games behind Memphis for eighth is San Antonio and then six games behind Memphis are the Phoenix Suns so I I think you and I? Think it will come down to one of four teams. Gal Rates a memphis is the front runner as far as their record, and it looks like at a minimum they'll be in the plan. Scenario is the eighth seed or the see if they collapse in the seating games, but yeah Portland New Orleans in Sacramento. They're all trying to get into ninth place, and to get to with at least in with at least four Games of Memphis Grizzlies to force a playoff. Yeah, so I'm like those guys. All those wins and they're significantly different without Zion. Such dynamic player, he makes the game easier for so many people. You have to pay attention to him. From a coaching standpoint from the other team because you have to put two on him, because if he drive, he's kind of like you know I always thought and I'm pretty sure Janas still has the best driving spin in the NBA, but Lebron is up there, too. But Zion as a rookie is dried hit spinoff you elevators hammer one home. That's elite and the problem with the drive in spin is when you when you can do that. The the the the defensive player can play. Play perfect defenses still get dunked on, so that's where you're going to have to send another guy and he gets guys wide open. They have shooting so I. I just think that's GonNa. Really really hurt them so if he can come back and he end a explain to our listeners how it can only be four days if he goes away, and he proves that he gets tested every single day when he's gone and when he comes back, it's only four days in the room. That's right scale, so it has to be jointly worked out by the New Orleans. Pelicans and the NBA, and basically let's assume Zion goes back home. He's from South Carolina. If that is indeed where he's going, then he could be tested every day while he's home. We don't know what the family situation is. It was described as an urgent family medical matter but if If he is still able to be tested once a day when he returns to Orlando, he only has to do a four day quarantine so theoretically style and keep in mind that the Pelicans play the NBA's first game, the opening game on July thirtieth or playing the Utah Jazz so Zion in theory could return on the twenty, fifth or twenty six do his four. Four days of quarantine and then be available that night up, but that's only if he gets tested every day when his outside Orlando, if he doesn't scowl then. I think it's a minimum of ten days maybe up to fourteen days or some room for interpretation there but I i. don't think that's a good outcome for anybody. If someone asked to be out for A. A week week and a half or two weeks after he returns to Orlando so I mean obviously the New Orleans Pelicans. You'RE GONNA make sure. He gets tested every single day right? I mean okay. Put yourself in in Griffin shoes. You've been in those shoes before a dynamic player. Ready for the playoffs. He's got. He has to go away. You're in the situation. I. Mean Even if you send one of your guys to meet him in South Carolina just to make sure he'd test every single day. You would definitely do that by the way there's a few of your staff. Members are already at home anyways, so they could just meet with him in South Carolina, and make sure and one guy. This job is to work him out and make sure that he gets tested, so you're definitely going to want to do that right absolutely, and as you mentioned the travelling parties in Orlando Unlimited. Teams usually travel with fifty. Fifty to sixty individuals in Orlando you can only bring thirty five team from from basketball ops so the are severely limited restricted. They've had to leave individuals at home. So yeah, from David Griffin or Trajan Langdon in the front office in New Orleans. That's the first column making one of the guys who, probably just in the practice facility, watching film or doing something as far as off season prep work, said look you know. Get to wherever Zion is shadow him. Keep your phone on at all times and make sure he gets tested every day. Now I mean that they have to do that because if he can get back and he complained that opener, I mean he's so dynamic, and the numbers are so staggering when his when he's on the floor, so I I hope he comes back because he's. He is a Joya Watch. I haven't said that about a lot of rookies I. There's a lot of rookies who are good or going to be good. He just fun to watch I I. Hope that whatever this is. It happens quick. I hope he gets back and gets cleared, and I hope he's had even have a chance to have a few practices under his belt before he can before they open up. There were some reports of cramping over the last couple of days. That's I. Williamson was suffering from leg cramping this week that was reported by the athletic The team sources said that was quote, not an issue. He's fine, but he was spotted getting. Attention from medical personnel on the PELICANS staff. Here's where I think it's so important scale that not only he gets back as quickly as possible, but also clears quarantine. Mentioned has at least a practice or two under his belt, and is able to stand shape on. The PELICANS have one of the easiest schedules on paper in the bubble in the eight seating games, but the first half of their schedule Scou-, which I think is critical given how bunched up. It is in the Western Conference for that eight seed It's not that easy here. The first four games as I mentioned on July thirtieth they opened up with the Utah. Jazz TNT. That's that's the national opener, and then after that scale. They play the LA clippers. Who you and I think are the best team in. In the League, and then to key playoff bobble matchups against the Memphis Grizzlies and Sacramento Kings of the schedule. Get significantly easier. The last four games last four our Washington San. Antonio Sacramento again in Orlando a some of those teams at grouping in fact, most of May not have much to play for at that point but I I think it's imperative scale that gets back like you said has a few practices under his belt in his healthy and in shape for those first four games in particular. Yeah, you. What's funny about that new? Orleans Pelicans is they've had a lot of opportunities to close ground on Memphis. Right win. The League went on hiatus. I I was there was about five or six games I was really disappointed in their performances. So at this is like you. They could salvage their sort of season and. On getting there, and they have this young up and coming team this this is the type of team that needs to make the playoffs. They need to go play the Lakers in the first round. It's great to go play. Lebron and see what he's likes to be a great matchup. So it I'm I'm not rooting for one or the other. I WATCH MEMPHIS to one of my favorite teams to watch on League pass, but it's really important I I would feel. It's really important for young teams to make the playoffs especially when they're disclose. I agree with that scale, and you may not be rooting for it, but the League office network executives are which societies must see TV and fact, six of these first seven games for the Pelicans in Orlando are nationally televised the only one that isn't as against the Washington Wizards because he wants to watch them at this point, but the other six games, gal or either on TNT ESPN NBA TV or ABC and shows you the importance, not only to the Pelicans, but to the League of Zion, especially from a TV viewership perspective, nells flip over the Eastern Conference Gal one of the other big headlines. We went off air earlier this week. Involves The Philadelphia Seventy sixers and Ben Simmons. He was going to say their star point. Guard Ben Simmons, but Red Brown the head coach of the seventy sixers said on Monday that he has been playing all star Ben Simmons quote exclusively at power forward in in practices inside the NBA bubble. Brown went on to say so dynamic Let's just talk about running. There's nobody faster in the NBA so to always have to dribble the ball up against five is that dilutes some his potent weapons I'm scale. What do you think of Brett rounds decision to seemingly be fully committed to taking Simmons off the ball and playing him at the power forward spot. So I don't I don't think they're going to take them off the ball, right? They'RE GONNA trade. They're gonNA. Play him like Draymond Green. Army right about that well, we'll see I. mean that's a good question. And that's one of the things that's so unique about this environments Ga-. Usually as you know being around the NBA for a couple of decades, now, reporters have access to practices, especially the last ten fifteen minutes of practice during in their with their cameras or camera phones, and taking video and reporting what they see This is a different environment than that, so I think it's hard to say I'd imagine that he still has the ball his hands a decent amount, but it does seem like to some extent that shake Milton's going to have the ball in his hands more and that Al Horford is GonNa. Come off the bench for Philadelphia. Yes, so so give me the rundown on shake knowing what is. Then he more like. He the he can bring the Baltimore. He can initiate, but what his real thing is isn't a more of a off ball player like to catch shoot guy, he you know, he can run a little pick and roll but I. The forty five percent three point shooter. Philadelphia, so give me the rundown on him. Shake Milton. He's a bigger guard. He played at Smu in college was a guy on a two way contract for the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers and signed a multi year deal this past offseason and scale right before the pandemic shutdown. He was playing really well. He scored in double figures in phillies final seven games I had that huge game on national TV against. La Clippers when he had. Had thirty nine points, so I think the biggest difference I look. He's not the athlete. He's not the defender. He's not the quote. Unquote playmaker that Ben Simmons is not many guys in the League are given Simmons Physical. Talents but I think the biggest difference is clear. It's the shooting on the floor. Spacing mentioned shake Milton shot forty five percent from three in those thirty three games. He averaged three point three attempts per game, so he makes a much higher percentage than Simmons, and he's also willing to take a much higher percentage than than Simmons, which as you know provides a lot more spacing for Joel embiid to do work in the post. Yeah I would say this like as a power forward. If if Ben Simmons is guarding me right thing about it. If I'm a spaced out on the three point line and he can roam around, you'd think about if I run into a pick and roll with somebody he could switch and guard. It makes more sense to me for him to play that point forward position which like to say, he's exclusively am power forward doesn't mean he's posting duck again to me, means he's draymond green out there bringing the Bob. Bob To floor, trying to make plays, but you have another guy that could do it as well. It's just not exclusively on Ben Simmons. So I'd I'd be shocked if he's not bringing the ball up the floor when he's on the floor, sixty percent of the time I if if they're the bet where you can bet over under, I would say over that when he's on the floor six out of every ten possessions. He's bringing the ball to floor. Well. Let me throw a different. You. Different scenario here, what if shake Milton initiates the offense and and and let's say half court settings I I think that's maybe Ben Simmons, greatest. Offensive, strength is getting a defensive rebound with the size and strength and Athleticism, pushing the ball in the open court, but then when the game slows down, scholars, you know it tends to do often playoff scenarios in. It's a half court possession by possession game. What if shake Milton does bring the ball up? The court makes the initial entry pass to Simmons at the elbow. How do you like that setup and you think the four five pick? Pick and roll in a tighter area. Ah, given that Simmons and embiid or athletic freaks or a huge have a physical advantage. Do you think that makes some sense? which shake Milton spotted up off the ball? Yeah, and also like let's say he. He does. Go Go with that elbow action, and they can run the four five, but he can also take the baugh dribble handoff with Tobias. Harris gets a switch you know attack or or bring Tobias Harris. There's like so many more I think. I think the power forward position. There's so much more versatility and it's so much harder to. To Guard, then appoint in Blink Guard. Where everyone is looking everyone guards pick and roll so it. Ben Simmons can be a creator and I. Don't mean a creator like just know like Chris Creator. He can be a creator and he does a good job. When Jj Redick was there, he would go into the dribble handoff of JJ relic all the time I missed that about Ben, Simmons! That's why I always love. Ben Simmons Game I didn't love his game this year and a lot of I. Think a lot of that has to do with no not having that read or they. They had much more shooting in in years past, and they did this year, so I I like the move, but if people think that it's going to be posting up because he's now playing power forward, they're wrong. He's still going to bring the ball up the floor. He's still GONNA ask for the outlet. Pass and people are still going to look for him to create plays. It's just not going to be like out of a free throw when the ball goes out of bounds. They're gonNA put them in situations breaking news him where he can catch the ball that live dribble. I agree with all that scall- and here's what I bet. Brett Brown the head coach of the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers is thinking I. Bet Brown is thinking that if Ben. Simmons initiates the offense if he brings the ball up the court in a half court setting, they're not gonNa Garden in fact, GonNa. Play way off Scallon. You. You know you've seen that. That before a with non-shooters rejoin. Rondo got that coverage in Boston where the defensive guard that the guy who's guarding been images sags way back in the paint, sometimes even I inside the dotted circle by the restricted area, and just clogs up the lane for Embiid, so so what I think Brown's GonNa do scale is figuring out. How close can he get? Get Simmons to the basket without screwing up. EMBIID space is at the elbow, is it? Is it off the key channel? Get the ball somewhere. Where if you SAG on Simmons from their scholars, you know with the size. Let us assume you can take two dribbles and get to the rim or get fouled but at the same time you can't just let them take. Dare shots because if you take one dribble. That's just amid paint floater so my guess, we. We don't know we're just speculating 'cause we haven't seen a film of the seventy sixers or anybody practicing Orlando, but my guess is that those are some of the things that Brown and his staff are experimenting with no question about. About it, no question as a for Ben Simmons. It's about being creative, and you don't have to be able to shoot as long as you have the right personnel around you and you have a creative mind, and you're open. The playing different ways like Ben Simmons goes into a pitch and follow screen, and he gets the ball back now. He's attacking close. Close out like if he's doing all those things guys stoppable. Because here's why he's unstoppable. Going to the basket, he can finish with left hand up any foot. He could finish with his right hand off any foot. He can jump up any foot and still hit guys from all over the perimeter for open threes as well as dump it off to A. A guy and if he does draw guy goes into that floater. Most Mrs are soft I mean that MVP can eat that up on the offensive glass. I I everyone always says Ben. Simmons can't do this that I've. I've never understood why if I had a guy like Ben Simmons or so many ways that I would use him, but obviously we'd take commitment on his part as well, but it's like when a guy is counted in that much of a playmaker in that good passer. Has Zach Creative Vision? There's ways to use him now. He couldn't shoot and couldn't pass and couldn't finish all right. We can have these conversations, but he is elite at the other stuff and he's subpar shooting. I agree with that scale and look I think the clear message here is that red? Brown figures what they did. Through the first sixty five games of the year before the pandemic shutdown in mid March was not good enough, and there was not going to be good enough You pick the Philadelphia Seventy sixers to win. The Eastern conference I thought they'd be second in the Eastern Conference. They're currently six in the east of the thirty nine. Nine and twenty six I think well below expectations of most of us had from them coming into the season, so Brett, round creditors is job may be on the line. We had our friends bike eskin on last week to talk about that and rip around potentially being on the hot seat so upscale. He's GonNa try something different want one final thing here before we wrap the Philadelphia, seventy sixers talk. think this impacts al.. Al Horford I I get it. It is what's best for the team. A from a front office perspective is a guy who spent fifteen years in front offices I. Look at it and say man in house Horford going to deal with this because scowl looking at Horford's contract. I don't think the seventy six. It'd be able to move in this off season so I think Brett. Round and staff need to figure out a way to. To Keep Al Horford as part of their program. Yeah, I'm telling you right now like if you can't incorporate Al Horford into your Pasco Ball program. You got a problem. He's like Mr Bursar Toady. He can defend multiple positions I I just I don't get how and I know. The number looked at them today. EMBIID is eight point nine points better on the floor. When Al Horford is not with him, Al Horford when he's on the. Is something like three point nine points better with him than when he is off the floor, but when both those guys are together like a minus four point eight, so there's something wrong with both of those guys in the listen. EMBIID is not a bad player. He's a smart player. Orford is a good basketball. Perry need a brilliant a playmaker at that position. I don't understand why they can't make. Make this happen, so if Brown could force victims to play power forward, he can find a way for Al. Horford to work it. It's just a matter of when he was in Boston and he played bad. It was win. Guys were selfish and guys weren't moving the ball and they weren't making the right basketball play. When people make the right play Al Horford always plays well so I. I hope. Guy Like Al Horford and I don't want to be Boston or anything like that, but I do want Al Horford play well because he's a good guy. I liked his style of play and but he you have to figure out a way to incorporate him, and I think more times than not. It's getting a lot of touches letting him do dribble handoff. Let him get it. Run into screens because he is a forty not this year, but in the past you've been a forty percent catch and shoot guy. You just gotTa. Find a way to incorporate him, and you're going to have to try to find a combination that worked with him and embiid on the floor. Yes speaking of embiid Scowl Brown. The sixers head coach set a target of thirty eight minutes for game for him being the playoffs I keep in mind that embiid only ever minutes a game in last year's playoffs, that moved up to thirty four minutes a night in the second round against Toronto went philly lost in seven games. scalise is Brown planning on playing Joel Embiid who had a number of injuries and some conditioning questions throughout his career. Is that a good idea? I mean I. Don't know how like what sports science guys say about taking five months off. I know he probably won't play a lot of minutes. These eight games like. How much like you had those meetings with sports science guys like how much of this is an issue with guys coming back? Are they car `blanche to do what they want because there's so much wear and tear that it didn't have to endure during the season, or is it the opposite since they weren't playing basketball? Gearing up for the play offs is your more risk for injury. So I don't I don't I listen I what I would do as a coach is I would just lean towards my sports, science guy and I wouldn't say thirty minutes unless my sports science guys are telling me that he can play thirty eight minutes. I. Think, that's right and keep in mind that Brett. Brown does seem to be on the hot seat, and as you mentioned, MB's had a number of months before plus months off by the time the game start later this month, so I think that all factors into it scowling, and you know more than anything it's. It's feel as a coach. There is a internal battle and struggle oftentimes between the head coach love to play guys forty eight minutes a night if he can because. Because that's where he gets paid to do win games and the sports scientists who are trying to protect the players, and to some extent scalp protect their own interests because they don't want players, especially superstar players to get hurt. That reflects poorly on them. Also be interested to see how that pans out, but it was interesting to hear round. Say that he is planning on playing mb basically as much as possible when the playoffs start. Yeah, how how how? How does that work exactly if? You're GM and you guy a coach. That's playing a guy. One minute more. Is it five minutes more like what what causes you to have a conversation with that coach I think it's different in the playoffs versus the regular season in the regular season and I think it is an executive you you have to be or should be more firm if the trainer says a guy can only play whatever the time limit is thirty minutes thirty five minutes thirty eight minutes. You stick to that until the coach I coach. You know you should have somebody on your staff track. Track this and win guy, especially key player like embiid his that number, regardless of whether it's a two point game. In the last minute. He's coming out. We're not going to exceed that a scale in the playoffs. I think look I mean. This is a competitive industry You know as a head coach geometry players. You get paid a lot to win basketball games I think you have to be somewhat flexible that as long as it's reasonable, it's not like you say they say a guy can play. And he plays forty but if it's within a minute or two here there I think you have to let that go especially if it helps team potentially again. Yeah, so I don't know I. Just on know Mb. It could handle thirty minutes. 'cause it when I watch him play like it's one of those things where I always thought that he's has to be like thirty two minutes a game die, but he has to play hard, and he can't waste minutes when he's out there. There's a lot of time. He's just running up and down the floor. Not doing anything where say like if you're going to have him out there logging. Logging these minutes, you might as well use them for his skill set, and you might just figure out different ways to get him involved I. almost want to say it like this and should be begging played thirty two minutes because he should be playing so hard wiped out there, and he should be getting four sped the ball and I'm not saying post. I'm just saying in general. You know using him his talent, and that more than likely his conditioning will will warrant thirty two minutes based on that, but thirty eight minutes is a lot at maybe they're just not on using them at like the way that I feel like they should. Thirty eight minutes from beat is a lot, and that's also means fewer minutes for Al. Horford I think at this point his career. At least in the, it's pretty clear that his best position is the center spot, so that only lives ten center minutes of eligible four Horford becoming back scour. We're GONNA. Take a break. You're coming back on the other side of the break. We're. 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#78 - Ty Harris & Satou Sabally

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#78 - Ty Harris & Satou Sabally

"The names behind the numbers the stories behind the names. This is the hoop stats. Podcast with John Little. I think he's gotTa be a joke as we get close to each other. Just what I think. It goes along with the confidence I mean I think we would have won and tyler probably say exactly the opposite in my opinion. I think that we were going to win. I will say we won. And I'll have it in my heart. There's just no proof. The biggest newsmakers the best storytellers. The her keeps doubts. Podcast here's your host John Little. What is up happy post Mother's Day? You are tuned. Ten to the her stats. Podcast I'm your host John. Little thanks so much for being here Just a reminder to rate review the podcast if you get that shot on apple podcast we so appreciate it. Did you see that we had another unplugged? Podcast yes unplugged is back and we talked about the difference and really got into it between the RPI structure and the net structure as far as measuring. Who should make the NCAA TOURNAMENT? And who better to talk about that? Then Ken Palm himself. Ken pomeroy joining the Her Hoop stats unplugged. Podcast this past week. Hope you enjoyed that and also Neil Ivy as well on the podcast last Monday. The new head coach of the Notre Dame fighting Irish so. We've had a couple of the big coaching changes in the nation. Over the last few weeks VIC's Schaefer Nehal Ivy and we just roll on with big names here on the hoop stats podcast. This week. It's a couple of New Dallas Wings and a couple of the main stars on by many people's accounts the top two teams in the country. And I'm not saying that for sure. Yes no it's a controversial subject. Everybody's got their opinion on it but certainly Two of the top teams in the country as tie Harris Point Guard for South Carolina. Now Point Guard for the Dallas Wings joins US along with sought to sabally the number two overall pick in the WNBA draft and the former Oregon duck as well. Let's get right to it because what's the next best thing. Wnba basketball talking to future WNBA basketball stars. Let's get it started with Thai Harris Tie. Thank you so much for taking some time. How are you today? I'm great and you. I'm awesome. Thank you so much. So we're speaking about a week after the draft. How can you reflect on that night with us? How much did you know that Dallas was interested in you? Did you envision that as a real possibility for you going into the night? I thought it was a possibility. I mean I've talked to them. Like weekly for the draft happened. There's a lot of predictions out go. Fifth to them are six Minnesota but I mean I didn't know for sure but there's a possibility 'cause I was projected throughout like the fourth through like seventh pick and so you're you're paying attention to those projections leading up to it. I was curious to to talk to somebody who had been that through that process recently. Finally we're getting more WNBA coverage more WNBA. Mock drafts and things like that. Did you enjoy looking at those? As one of the draft leading up to it I say is the hitter thing I mean. Love hate thing. Sometimes if you have a bad game or a bad stretch like you could drop really low you drop out your rankings or whatever and then vice versa. They started off actually third round last in and being up there to the first round store. I mean it's really good. It's good and bad. I mean is this depends how you look at it. You know talking with coach. Staley about you just a few days. After the season came to a close she said you really helped your draft stock this year and you know of course being a four year starter. Who WOULDN'T WANNA for your starting point guard on one of the top teams in the nation? But what do you think you did? What was one of the biggest things you did this past year that you proved he could do that? Helped your stock as WNBA player? Yeah I think the biggest thing I did was asserting myself offensively. I think was the biggest thing that people questions if market score now thing I did that Throughout the season especially during the Games was that a big adjustment for you or was that easy to turn on. It wasn't a big adjustment. I mean I could always score. I mean scoring high school just different teams that I had throughout the years of College. I had to play different roles in. I accepted them. So just whatever was presented in front of me and of course. It's a difficult situation when you are in a year where you've got three freshmen starters around you and Lots of new players on that team relatively young team around you but at the end of the year you guys are the number one ranked team everybody's consensus number one ranked team. What was your focus as you started to think about leading that South Carolina team coming into the year. What did you do with some of those youngsters at to make sure that they were in the right frame of mind leading into this season? Yeah the first thing I did was Quite a lot of pickup before the season started so he just got. We just ran games After workouts or even we off days. Just play pickup just to get annoyed. right on we did a lot of team activities off the court so we can build relationships and is not also just me but they came in wanting to listen to learn. And that's a good thing because it's a two way street whether it goes like you could tell somebody something they can either accepted and respected or they can ingo in one ear out the other. But they accept everything wholeheartedly and It was genuine love between us too but I mean they were great. They were great. They might you better. That's awesome it as a point guard. Does that inherently put more pressure on you to be a leader. I'm thinking puts more pressure on you. I mean 'cause already had like the background just trying to be it will be an leader and being a captain input too much pressure on me but I did have to. Just be more and more conscious that they're younger in new intercontinental at the show more responsibilities than Kinda showed him more and more and just kind of just lead the Malagasy at. You have to deal with a really weird situation that basically nobody in women's basketball has ever had to deal with before. Is The shutting down of the the college basketball season at this point in the year? Ride as you're moving into the NCAA tournament and you're left with that kind of unrequited love you know and and what could have been in all those sorts of things. How did you deal with that loss of the season knowing that you were about to move on professionally? What was that process for you? It was super hard in the beginning. I was heartbroken just because I didn't like I didn't expect it to be my game in. La where we play on before the tournament as deterrment. 'cause Moose was go back through the first set around so named SPEC to be that like that last night was going to be my last game or Being around my team that like we're always around each other. Twenty four seven sues dislike old went on spring break. We're supposed to combat the day after everything showdown. It was supposed to get right back into it. Like the swing. The things and then like other stuff happened. Tournament got cancelled. Coach takes this. She was like stay home so like it was weird adjustment because only have clothes only about a couple of close home for me with me from the time it 'cause it was spring break four days a normal all my clothes back at school but the everything has down slave like our apartments are closed down stuff like that and then I mean it is weird is unprecedented moment. Just everything's on hold. Nobody knows really when everything's GonNa get lifted up or when the done for but everything was shut down in Guinea but I found a gym luckily in I'm also doing other things I mean I I got. I'm at peace with it. All like my body gets to rest my mind is the Russell get to my family. My family more and Kinda. Just do little things that you really don't really appreciate when everything's on go and now that you have time to rest of look back and you could see those things tie that's a great point and You know besides working out. What do you do and obviously spending time with your family is incredibly important. But what do you do to kind of clear your mind? What are your favorite hobbies or habits or whatever that That are just kind of therapeutic. And good for you that. Kinda get that good energy flown. Well mostly just like playing games on my family. We have a game nights. Now we actually sit down to eat dinner at the table together. Now like everybody's not just off somewhere in by pickup food wherever they come from I'm reading books now. I usually used to read but since we have time. Nothing but time I'm reading books you just learn more and more about yourself as like the time goes on. Who's the Cook in the house? Who's the Best Cook in the house? Both my parents they take times. Oh Yeah you know my my daughter especially during this time. She's been baking a lot. Which I you know ways line but is you know is really good. I think for the future though I think so. Your parents teach any Good new recipes or anything during this time you just Kinda let them take care of that. I let them take care. I mean 'cause I was doing a lot of cooking baking at school when we was in college so like right now. I'm just being spoiled with them to cooking meals for me. It could be the last time you get to be spoiled right. This take advantage of it. You Bet you got to play for Dawn Staley for four years and you know it seems like every year not that. She wasn't already a legend but she just gains more and more respect every year when she recruited you coming out of high school coming out of Indiana and you decided to go there. How much did it have to do with Don Staley's or so to speak as you know a Wnba Star and A well thought of coach. How much were you star struck by her? At first I guess is my question. Yeah to be honest. I really didn't know too much about her before. I got there until like I was getting recruited in like. Oh isn't Don Dailey like the head coach and I'm like yeah like okay. She's the head coach Choose a great point guard. This man I was like Woah. I I really didn't know like one side committed as like. That's when it hit me like yeah. She's like a highly decorated point. Guard player She's Tuesday at Point Guard for the longest. He's legend is so She did play a big part just because she was a point guard. I Wanna do everything that she's done She can feed me knowledge. I can learn from her. She has a lot of connections and she's real genuine. This is the person like she's she's a players coach. She cares for me as much as a player as a person. She Me. So that was the biggest thing but it really didn't hit until like I was playing in on friends. Be Like I just saw it on an. Id cannot cannot can. I call you Donna. I'm like why are you guys making a big deal? But yeah that's pretty cool you know. And that's I appreciate your honesty in answering that question. I think that Gives us some great layers of information for sure but coach? Staley at you. Say she's a players coaches it like that even for freshmen as it. Easy even for the freshman to to get close to her at first. Because I know with some coaches it's not necessarily the case. They're almost like you know you got to prove yourself to me in these first few years. Then I'll let you into the into the circle. What what's coach in regards to that. No I think it's I think as as Edna as you come in. I mean she everything that she says to you. Wash ric ruin is what would it is really relies with soon as you step on the floor or as soon as you get to campus. Like she's roof from the jump even when she's recruiting so is not like a culture shock when Oh she's this nice person than once you get in is like a different thing like no from the jump you know how isn't what she what she thinks about you all right. Who is going to win the title South Carolina Oregon? Somebody else in my opinion. I think that we were GONNA win. Bella Alary told me it was going to be Princeton. So we've got to contend with now no I understand how are you and sought to and Bella going to figure this out. How are you going to decide this thing? I you know who? How are you going to know who would have Who would have won in the end or is this just going to be this long term? You know fight. Is You guys become old friends on this team? I mean I think I think if you just know people who are very competitive You know you gotta speak for yourself or for your team like if I say you say who's going win the one on me or or Lebron James. I'm GonNa say me you gotTa have confidence in yourself right. That's right so you just got to have confidence team. I mean I think it's GonNa be a joke as as we get close to each other. Who went but we haven't talked too much about. I mean we talk the not so much in Oregon South Carolina Baylor Princeton. Or anything like that. But I mean I play with Bella at USA two. So I played with her and I seen sought to playing in Oregon and stuff like that so it should be fun just because we're rookies and we're both. Were all going to these times together. And whenever we need we lean on each other and not only you guys go in through it. But you've got talented second-year player in a re- K. And you know Megan Gustafsen who earned her stripes a little bit at the end of last year. And then I just the whole roster in Dallas is so young is that an intimidating thing or a scary thing to go into or is it. Do you like that That factor that you don't have anybody I think over twenty seven on the roster think Kayla Thornton's like the the old woman Oskar there and that's it. I think it's I think it has its pros and cons. I mean I think we will have some highs and lows in the season just because we are young. We had to get adjusted Thing but then to since we are young we can they coast aglet. He can mold us into what he wants his. And there's not gonna be allowed to you know back because we don't know any better so that we can trust in his system. Would he is the right thing doing does he can just mowed us into the champs standard that he always. Obviously you know the situation behind Dallas. Last year they struggled at the point guard position because of Schuyler being out and then you know Rica having to handle the ball a lot. I I don't even have to ask you how you fit in because you just fit in you know they need a yard and your point guard. How satisfying is that to know that they've got a need and you can fill it on this great. I mean that's all I is just to be able to contribute to it seem Use Me to whatever they used as a just an asset for the team is going this with high hopes and everything but I mean they do have Mariah Jefferson and she was out of the things she didn't play into two thousand eighteen or whatever. Choose out but If she does come back healthy I can learn a lot from her and just he. Yeah what are the first questions that you're going to ask of some of these? Wnba teammates who have been in the league couple years or anybody. You've talked to like I. I know you've played with Alicia Gray at South Carolina. What are the first things that you WANNA know about playing in the w yeah on probably just the hardest thing to go through like what? What was the hardest through was? Traveling was playing back to back games practicing and stuff like that. Just kind of get a feel for everything how. Everything's going to play out. Of course. Some of that stuff is getting better at you know as far as you know the the hotels situation and some things are improving along those lines. How fortunate do you feel that you're coming into the WNBA after this awesome CBA just the best collective bargaining agreement that the players have ever negotiated has been signed? Yeah I mean isn't isn't great thing that the players are fighting for us. I mean they're fighting for themselves but for us to as coming in on me. We hit the perfect timing for the AIDS. Have that agreement and do I mean krona. Did happen depend happened but we also had that new. Cba of where we get more and more money. And I think the more people that tries to fight for us the more Better is going to get for the league tie. Thank you so much for spending all this time with us today. And congratulations on getting drafted into the League. That is a huge accomplishment. And we wish you best of luck as you guys. Try to get the season started and you try to to find your way in this this very talented group of players in this league. Thanks thanks for having tie Harris. Love the honesty from Thai Harris the former South Carolina Point Guard here on the roof stats. Podcast LOVER. Talking about yeah. I didn't really know how. What a big thing. Dawn Staley was when I started at South Carolina. Love that honesty but obviously she knows now and point guard to point guard Dawn Staley really got a lot out of tie Harris in the last four years. And it's GonNa be fun to play with the Dallas Wings and as well play with this next guest to Sabally. The number two overall. Pick one of the most interesting players in basketball. We talk about having a target on their backs as Oregon this last year. We also get into a little bit of the Oregon versus South Carolina thing. And we discuss as well when she knew she was going to be a top pick in the WNBA draft. Lots of fun stuff. Let's get to it the Dallas wing side to sabally. Thank you for having me. Oh man thanks so much for being on what has it been like since you became a Dallas Wing. I know at this point you would normally be in Dallas in starting in person training camp activities. That's not the case. What kind of team activities have you done so far if any I haven't done any team activities at all you know? We're all in a group and we all have email chain going on with a videos coaches giving us but other than that not a lot. I mean I'm just still here in Oregon working out staying in shape and that's all I can do right now. I got you and I was curious about that. You heard some of the coaches talking about Yama to be sending out all the videos I can and you know trying to get them film and do you find that helpful or intimidating at this point for a rookie. That's just coming in. I think it's helpful because it prepares us at least low. Been a we are not totally going into the unknown. Marching some and watching old games and watching structures really helps. Because we're a little bit prepared. I mean other than that. You just have to be true to yourself. Play like you have been playing. I mean there's a reason why why we all being drafted and so we don't have to change too much in. Just be ready and be willing to work when we get there absolutely. What has coach. Adler told you so. Far about what kind of player he expects you to be at the next level and how you fit into his structure. He definitely wants me to be a leader. you know that up in my rookie already. He has really high expectations which are like many puts a lot of trust in me. And I'm just really excited. You know but he's a great coach and I'm so excited to learn from him and the team and All the other players you know. I'm curious sought to at what points you thought that you were going to be. The number two pick in this draft one of the first two players picked at what point even before you declared? Did you of realize that if you did declare you would be atop to pick in this draft. I didn't know that up until pretty late. But the mock draft. Obviously they kind of indicated that would be a top three so I I was kind of anticipating top three to hold time and not necessarily top two so are just taking it. Easy not putting too much pressure on myself. Not You know not putting me into the position to which I can be disappointed afterwards. So that wasn't really a factor in your decision to come out. He is is how earlier. We're going to go. Yeah I've heard you talk about your family and wanting to take some pressure off them and you know some different factors that weighed in your decision just with everything how everything ended up coming down at the end of the season know. Nc Double A. Tournament for anyone. No shot at a national championship. Do you have any reservations about the decision you made? Do you still believe it was. It was the right one for you. Yeah I do believe that was the right decision. I'm person and likes to be all in. I had a lot of conversation before it entered my name. And so obviously you know some of this. They're always because there's so much uncertainty right now in the world but even caller seasons are endangered. Right now so you know. I'm just all in about my decision and I'm really confident. Now that I have made it in I mean now there's no turning back so I should just look forward what's been the most surprising thing about becoming a pro over these last few weeks. Is there anything that you didn't feel like other? Tension is a lot more than I have ever could have imagined and as really cool to hear all that feedback. That many people have so much trust in me You know before that there wasn't really a lot of conversation about me but now I feel like there's a lot of attention and love and it's just really cool to see that and the obvious connection here in Dallas People are keep talking about you and Dirk and you and I did see was an instagram live. That you guys did together Did that was just So cool and not. Necessarily you know that you're talking to a to an absolute legend both here and in Germany but at the same time he was so down to Earth as well Had you ever met Dirk before? Then and how did you find him? During that time in the instagram live with him I have met him before but he probably doesn't know that we have a conversation But I was. I was young I was like thirteen or fourteen. And you know just looking up to him and Now in live you know came through my agency from landed and uninterrupted was really helpful and wanted to connect US and on Draft Day. Just wanted to show the insides and my emotions me kind of speaking to all these role models including dirk just my nerves of it and it was really cool. It was just exciting to hear what he had to say. What kind of me down as really cool draft day for you. Hey you looked supremely confident as you sat there. Tell me about the influences in your in your background that that led to the the beautiful decorations. You know just They popped on camera and they certainly were unique. As far as that night goes what was the influence and putting all that together so my father's from Gambia the Gambia and does fabrics are African fabric. They're African prints and they're really colorful and just have all these kind of cool textures in saves informed so it's really cool to see that on camera obviously and my sued. I wanted to have African clothing And draft night even if it would have been in New York so I still wanted to keep the same thing and having the African backdrop just perfectly couldn't have gone any better for sure it It just it looked beautiful and it was a it was a really cool moment as well. What else will you take out of the the draft night once once he got drafted and you know having to do an interview kind of like this except there's a little more delay in it and so it's on national television which is a lot different than what you're doing right now. So what was what were those moments like. What do you remember from that? It was quite honestly. I really have to admit I don't remember a lot from that night because it was just so hectic and so many interviews and so much happening I'll take these things. I just remember my name being called in me kind of you know having speaking to the little phone that was set up in front of us and the ESPN as functioning as ESPN camera. But was I mean it was cool with fun but I look back at the pictures and then I remember the pictures. I think a lot of us live through our pictures these days what I was thinking. I remember arguing. That happen all right. So let's talk about the the Oregon season if you would Just a little bit with us. I talked to coach graves over the summer last year kind of leading into the year when it was obvious that there was going to be a lot of hype behind Oregon basketball. And I'm curious to know. Did you guys ever feel pressure as a top team or as the hunted team? This season or do you think that that pressure would have mainly come once you got a little further into the NCAA TOURNAMENT. If it would have happened you know pressure was a lot of. We had a lot of conversations around pressure and our locker room and Kelly are coach. He would always say you know. We're doing what we love. We played basketball and precious. You know when a single mothers trying to find food for a kid but That's what he would always say. And that's true you know we're just doing what we love and we're just playing the game and that's what we should enjoy. We shouldn't put our is on all the media attention that we got and you know we should also take some pressure off sap who obviously had the most media attention the most pressure out of all of us in taking that from her in just being internally strong helped us along the whole season in I mean there at the end we were not even the first you know so it was it was South Carolina. Wet All the pressure technically but it was still you know all the attention was on us and all the focus so we ju- we just ignored it. Sports Talk Radio these days. You know. It's all built on fighting over. Who's the best right? And who's the greatest of all time and You know this is one of those debates this year that is never going to be settled and people will always have their favorite. Maybe it's Oregon. Maybe they're thinking South Carolina. You've got a baby you've got. Maybe they were somebody else's thinking another team was the best and you'll never get to settle that. How when when you think about that I mean. Is it going to be one of those things where you're sixty years old? It's forty years down the line and you entire still arguing over that down the line. What do you think I think it goes along with the confidence? I mean I think we would have one and my in my heart where the winners tie would probably say exactly the opposite and I mean exactly. We prove it will be amazing if we could ever step on a court again and just play five on five with executive teams have like a semi professional. Nca team but You know it's never gonNA happen so I would say we won and I'll have it in my heart. There's just no proof why pay to see it and I'll tell you that I di- chip in at least twenty bucks. I've got two hundred bucks a we're talking with to sabally and I spent a lot of funds so far and you know so you step in from a favored team a team that you know at the very least people were expecting big things from in the NCAA tournament and you step onto an extremely young team at the next level. There's gotta be some excitement in there but at the same time it. It's it's gotta be also a little bit nerve wracking as well. How do you feel knowing onto a team where there aren't a lot of old widely veterans? I'm excited I mean we can create everything new. We can create a new team culture. We can learn from a great coach. He he has proven himself already in. We will learn from him. And there's some old players who I will learn from too I mean. We're not only rookies right now so that that benefit and I feel like we have this naive young fresh energy which is good in my opinion. But you know it's going to be a process to learn it's GonNa be a learning curve in. I mean I'm looking forward to its STO. It's different than a veteran team. Obviously but we're going to play against veterans than we're GONNA learn from them and yeah. It was the same an Oregon. I mean when I came here no one was really watching the games and we were not as good in look where we are now so we can always build a program with that team now very very exciting team of course and also a team that can grow as well and you can grow as a player. I'm sure to grow a lot in your time. At Oregon coach great talks about you know you going from spot up shooter and occasional straight line driver to where you're a great finisher and a great passer. Where can you jake? Where can you take the game beyond that? Where are the next spots where you can excel? I think I could still be a better playmaker. I can still improve on that. I can improve on my defense sued out of more You know should Oughta more situation and create better shots for me and my teammates rebound harder. I feel like I can improve in every aspect of my game is going to be a lot of fun to to see how you play on the floor but then at the same time it seems as though Dallas is getting a great person off the floor as well and the other thing that Kelly has brad on you about saying that you could be the prime minister of Germany. And what's what's your reaction when somebody says something like that do you. Do you think of yourself as a politician or as how how about this Politicians probably not a good word influence but an influence or in some way that can change the world for good. Yeah I do. I mean when when someone says Prime Minister I always laugh when Kelly says that I always laugh it off and Kelly. You know but I would see myself as an advocate. More more than the politician. I mean there's always a lot to learn I'm not I'm not a person that knows everything and yeah you know. There's still a process. I'm learning a lot of things. I STILL WANNA go to law school. I'm a young person but I definitely have ended as an advocate. That uses her voice. And that's really cool and you've seen players like my war an absolute star in this league. Step Away Mani McGee. Stafford did the same thing here very recently as well. How do you players like that showing that the world's not just about basketball what do you think it does for the game to deepen conversations about whether it be social justice or criminal justice like we've you know we're talking about with Maya? What does that do do you think for for the world people with those platforms stepping away from basketball and going after something they feel is greater at this time. I think it just shows how people are more acceptance of other people speaking out their minds and being able to develop a someone who's more than an athlete athlete. You know people always say that now but it really means that that you can be more than an athlete that you can do more than just playing on a field and it makes you more human too. I mean you really people see you as an athlete I but then they look behind the curtains and see oh. This person is actually using her voice his voice and does good things in a world with their platform. So it's it's definitely a cool thing obviously with three top ten picks in the draft this past year. Some talent leaves the Oregon ducks but at the same time. I know they've got some some players coming up as well the artem cruet her hoop stats. Wanted to know from your position. Who Do you think is the next big thing at Oregon? Who are we not thinking about that as a possibility to really step up and be a big part of that team over the next couple of years I think a lot of I mean. I'm biased in this but I think a lot of people underestimate my sis urges because she was injured but he he's going to be an all American a baller and she's going to bring Oregon to the top but we have great players coming in with really great players. There right now. Sedona prince amazing player in Taylor Chagas. They're really going to put Oregon or keep Oregon on the map. So I'm really excited about that. What do you think about the prospect of actually sharing the floor with your sister? Maybe for a whole season and leaving that you know to go pro. Was that a tough Martin. The decision it was very tough and we had a lot of conversation around that. But you know for some reason we think it was meant to be that we just wait for one another the ability for people to not compare civil time on the floor. And that's good so I don't know I'm just. I'm just really excited. That she can go her own way and that she'll be excited to do that but it was definitely a hard decision. That's a great point and definitely looking at it from a bright side perspective as well which is got yeah. Yeah and then The five McDonald's all Americans that Kelly's bringing in as well. What draws people to Kelly graves? Why why do you players want to play for him? I think as openers and during the recruiting process you really puts an emphasis on the players. Getting to know the other players are already there and it's just so it's like we really good people. He's really good. People Awesome family and he's always there for you. Whatever you need you can really count on him and I feel like that. Like people get a sense of that when it comes to recruiting chips and it's just really really cool and of course. That campus is just absolutely gorgeous. Place you get to play. I bet that helps a lot as well and yeah it does. 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10/27: The NCAA tries to take a step into the future, but stumbles and throws up on itself a little anyway

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

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10/27: The NCAA tries to take a step into the future, but stumbles and throws up on itself a little anyway

"Tuesday October twenty nine two thousand nineteen welcome back to the CBS sports I on College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss cable fighting leaky Blackman the general public is indisputably in favor for more empowerment in this regard with college athletes and so instead of having specific legislation and bylaw proposals what we got was a statement saying the board of Governors unanimously voted in favor of updating our model when it comes to is made discussing this in some capacity and probably with increased intensity over the past month obviously with all that's happened in the state of California and elsewhere about what you name image and likeness allow ability but it stops short of providing real tangible action and so that obviously got people yourself and myself added a bit fired up over what we did not see going forward the time line is critical to know here is after the final four in April the border got to the CBS Sports College Basketball podcast via apple podcasts or where ever you listen to podcasts yes it helps us when you do that but it also helps you we're GonNa Start doing three podcasts a week next week and that's going to be the case through the end of the season already looking forward to it so if you haven't subscribed yet please go subscribe some recommendations to the Board Governors that is not what happened and that is disappointing instead behind closed doors the word into the story of the day in college sports and that's at the NC double a board of governors heads has voted unanimously to allow students to benefit from in group met with the Board of Governors and presented what I can only imagine is the reality around the name image and likeness issue as a what they they believe will be the most logical and practical set of bylaws to enable this to happen today they're leaning out terrifically with Tommy Tran and I know you spoke about this on your radio show and I know you're you're revved up and ready to go again here on the podcast one Michigan State versus number two Kentucky number three cases versus number four Duke and how about this we're gonNA preview those games on Sundays podcasts yes Sunday's pockets if you dig us because it's the best way to ensure you're GONNA get the latest episode into your phone as soon as possible so please go to that and why are you doing that we're going to dive straight in their name image and likeness but this is not quite sp two oh six in California norlander before I rant and making credible points I'll let you explain what governor will convene again it is then that the the working group the the leaders at the Division One two and three level will come up with so please tell all of your fans out there exactly what the instability did today I know you're revved up on this because I saw you on. CBS SPORTS HP it could propose to the Board of Governors which Supreme Voting Body everything that becomes a law has to get the clearance of the Board of governors before it does so Tuesday October twenty ninth was to be the Big Day in recent weeks there was an expectation that the working group most notable the way that the initial tweet that gets hit re tweet a million times is like the instable a board of governors votes unanimously that long-form fashion I'll try and be sick before handed over to you and then I'll will kinda you know volley back and forth on our thoughts here I also thought we were going to get some semblance of tangible action going forward that was disappointing to see how that wasn't the case although we shouldn't be totally surprised as you and I both know gp Oh so as I said in the podcast elsewhere and as you and plenty of others in the media have been expecting this was supposed to be the meeting in Atlanta where the where the working group was going to bring about officials say something is impossible it's not impossible figure it out so perhaps it's not impossible but it does seem very very difficult to try to thread this headed up by Ohio Athletic Director Gene Smith Biggies Commissioner Val Ackerman who have been together with a number of other administrators at the college level a significant as some people initially thought because I thought the incident way they're really good at this type of thing they wanted to create a headline and they created a headline and won't stand and I personally can't figure out how you can make all that work maybe you can but even gene Smith interesting the Ohio State Athletic Director Dan Walk in our friend who works at USA Today was in Atlanta at these meetings and even gene Smith when asked by Dan how are you Lincoln read more about it then read more about it and it's basically like the intimately board of Governors voted unanimously to allow student athletes to benefit from their name image and likeness but not in this way and not in this way and we're not going to go for that and we're not going to go for that and so they put so many guidelines or but for decades this has existed in college athletics in terms of recruiting imbalances advantages. I will I will not sing the song with you again it was a significant moment on Tuesday for this I didn't think that it would be this unanimous we need to do this I actually thought they went a little bit further in terms of their statement than I thought they were going to be our colleague Dennis Dodd got a hold of some of those folks in advance of the statement and that's when we learned that there was you know we shouldn't be expecting headlines that were going to allow students to benefit from their name image and likeness but not have this turned into a recruiting tool of some sort in gene actually said the or or go to try to keep so many guidelines in place that it doesn't open this up nearly as much as I would want a lot of that they'll have to deal with that they don't deal with now and I don't want to say it's impossible because I get frustrated when I hear inside you too big but regardless I it was not an insignificant day on Tuesday for the history of College Athletics Not an insignificant day but is it reasonable to say not the answer lay as it pertains to state and federal lawmakers as it pertains to the temperature of how the Public Perceives this you we've now had official polls done nationwide polls would want California lawmakers would want and I really do think we can get into this momentarily it creates more issues is going to actually announced today that college athletes wouldn't even be allowed to accept scholarships like it cuts the blowback actually got a little bit over the top of here's what guess what estates has been a catalyst to change it's clear that schools in the presidents are listening in heard loud and clear that everyone agrees that this is an area that needs to be addressed that combined with this quote from Californ- needle to thread we want to allow student athletes to benefit from their name would you like this rights like any other student athlete but this won't stand this won't stand sounds great to allow student athletes to benefit from their name image likeness and people are like whoo finally this thing is happening and then you're like well let me click this governor Gavin Newsom who released a statement after all this down he said in part California will be closely watching as the process moves forward to ensure the rules ultimately adopted are aligned with the legislation passed this year you know what if the parish can't get its bylaws to a level that are going to satisfy the public that's one thing last step might be significant court battles maybe even to the Supreme Court level but I spoke with congressman out of North Carolina who Zaire to get legislation on the House floor in the summer of twenty twenty so that this can all be enacted in ratified by January of twenty twenty one but if it can't get there to a level that it can satisfy the politicians that's another and the good news is this is my prediction I don't see how it doesn't wind up this way it might take that's the elephant in the room very hard to figure out and so like I tweeted good luck if this is the this is the path you're going so walk and talks to mark and Mark Emmer admits on the record here's the here's the exact quote there's no question the legislative efforts in Congress and various abreast to me supreme disappointment in the lack of detail here from the AA and also expressed a real intent hairs on podcast 'cause we don't need to go down that road but I do have good news because you know what the consternation the backlash of cynicism skepticism toward the AA that was put on display. Mr admitted today that what has been done in California hastened this issue why shouldn't we believe that it will hasten it again and ultimately be the decider not the installation it comes to national oversight and consistency of rules I understand why the North Carolina Congressman would be frustrated by the lack of details because they've had aw but my view on this is if we get to April and the instable a is saying all right we're going allow ABC and D- and not allow down good luck 'cause I it's a it's a needle that's difficult to threaten yeah but I mean g Smith is not incorrect and what he's saying there at the instability is taking a step forward I don't WanNa say it doesn't matter but if you're step forward doesn't get you in line with California Law and Future Florida Law and other laws around this and say all you schools are banned from postseason play that's nightmare that's not going to happen so I do think while people might have issues with their own politicians and government this is I something it cost one hundred dollars that's what it costs you got one hundred dollars to pay for it right now you've got zero okay so you ain't even close and somehow someway you figure out and you got as whatever the farthest state law goes we'RE GONNA end up in court and that's inevitably where this is headed I don't know going to have a situation GP where we have twelve states enacting all this stuff allowing it and then it's going to really really GonNa go to twelve different states two years for your six years we're we're getting there okay you can have cynicism over what the won't do I get that are going to make sure this happens and if and about forty five minutes after this this press release got center I actually at one point we were about twenty minutes away from media members has hammered home the idea that we cannot have different states operating under different rules and yet the states are pushing back and they've got needs what the instability releases and they have put undeniably as she points out arbitrary limits or regulations really close to a bipartisan issue at that level as well and that's what's ultimately will force the installation hand I have issues in the short term with what the instantly Willem won't do but I think long term it's the Supreme Court but I certainly could envision it being that but it seems to me there is no scenario where we don't end up in court because the we will not stand for any arbitrary limits on student athletes being able to profit off of their name image likeness so this is a point I made on previous podcasts. It doesn't matter wants to work on this you rank three hundred fifty three basketball teams in wrote about in a matter of weeks maybe we need to like the popular opinion on their side they're pushing back and saying we're not budging for you we're not waiting on you we're going to do what close to one hundred yet and so the way I concluded my column is that unless the NC double A. is willing to go as far Asia I ultimately think that will be immaterial because I think at the federal level most importantly because the state level this is also going down the NC double A. is now the one thing that I want to keep an eye on here is when Congressman Mark Walker out of North Carolina he he he is to do that so that Mark Walker's bill and his isn't the only one there's actually another one that is that is in the works here okay it never even gets to the OH I get I get the frustration and I thought it was interesting the tweet from Nancy skinner today she of course is the state senator from California so she she wanted to go which point we still got real problems did you see did you Did you see El Camino on Netflix breaking bad movie of course okay so but if it can successfully try and undercut what is being done at the federal level because it's it's I believed parish I believe it's to watch I guess in the in the coming months will be if the NC double A. can successfully and I don't know how successful it's been to this point Tori you still got the essentially the same issues you were going to have if you just do it steal because they got it this way if you need one hundred dollars earn benefits and profits off of their abilities like it's it's a it's a simple an American concept and it's one that the instable as floor of the House of Representatives and then instead the incidentally is taking on all the states and it might feel like it could have more control over this I tell you it's Sydell a saying we will allow student athletes to accept benefits in exchange for their name and likeness rights but they're not going as far as lawmakers we're GONNA do and if you've got a problem with it we'll see you in court and so today is significant significant day in the sense that it is for the first time ever the ought to be clear GP there we have a long way to go with this and getting to the House floor is no Gimme that has a clear to the Senate and then it's going to need the president's signature to become law I don't see short of like just going beyond anyone's expectations I just don't see how what is going to happen in the next four months ultimately really matters it's damn fascinating though because I is is trying to do this almost in spite of everything is going to go right now we've got a California they're out there they're bill is passed they've got a law getting ready to be put in place and the people who were behind your to your point I won't spoil this for listeners that maybe don't have seen it but the best scene in the movie is when Jesse Pink needs a certain amount of money and he's almost there it believes in when really really parish like college athletes having just the right to in place like they don't have their details yet but they have sort of already said here's what we're not going to allow and that's he's GonNa just popped up and said the state of California has made it clear to try to complicate for essentially its entire existence and so now it's trying to step forward into the twenty th century and AH suddenly operating a national organization with different states using different roles so like you in Georgia to be able to churn out more work more quickly than than them I think a combination of you and get this thing knocked out but but that is the threat it is it's not happening but you're right and so so so then okay either happens at which point now we're in court money in exchange for his name image and likeness without limitations and it will be against the law literally the law for Ucla to do anything building past are on the record within thirty minutes of the instantly announcing stuff today saying this ain't enough this ain't good enough so like we're I've got forty you've got forty bucks listen I'm further along than I was yesterday got forty bucks but you still can't get done what you need to get done you ain't getting us to this point what Hap- Illinois Illinois Governor GP earlier today introduced another set of legislation in his own state we will see you in court and that ain't change it they're not budging they're on the right side of this so there's no reason for them to back up they've made no indication so I don't know the answer is this is this is a moment that has been long overdue okay and I do want to hear some more you're renting if you we're GONNA do what we're GonNa do so again in theory January first two thousand twenty three ucla point guards going to be allowed to accept told me that the NC Double A.'s presence in DC with its lobbying is not insignificant there is a there is a real presence there and the the thing they'll back up in fact they insist they will not so that's that now I don't know which states are going to be next but let's Florida Carolina us believe this is true but let's say for the incidentally actually got their way like they said hey here's what we're willing to do exactly what we described today we're going to do which is allowed are you know what I'm talking about and he's he's not quite in the more something like the exact it's the that's exactly what you're talking to so that's what that's what came to mind when you bring up your hundred dollar analogy AH bottom line it this way unless instabilities willing to go way further than they went today this is really not a mess is cleaned up anything that the instable is going to do in fact it just gets messier but here's the point I wanted to make let's say for a second and again neither one Orlando is here with me and we're now just one week away from the start of the season that comes next Tuesday New Orleans and I both going to be in New York City for the champions classic it's GonNa be number it doesn't matter there's GonNa be more and the states are going to go further than the incident it this moment willing to go and then it's GonNa come down to exactly what you said got big lawsuits or it doesn't happen and then the instability is doing exactly what NCWA officials in college administrators are saying is quote impossible and that means that that's that's really what I came down like I just don't see how this doesn't get over rules in terms of lawmakers eventually we already have California got it but to me it just I just don't see how the politicians don't just change this for for for good is just gonNA matter of how long timeline takes no let me tell you exactly how this about it and at the incident Blake tries to come in and do something about it and tell we Ucla you can't play that player where you're going to be ineligible you're going to have to vacate then California lawmaker bad it's GonNa come down to a game chicken it's GonNa come down to blink you really going to start saying all North Carolina schools are banning pairs that's not happening there's not happy I think one of the things the has said is that it will allow students to benefit from the use of their name image and likeness but it will prevent them from accepting student athletes have benefit from name image and likeness rights but with parameters but with guidelines in the states. Just say you know what we'll stay out of it do your thing the Duke Point Guard whoever it is at the time to a deal to be on billboards to advertise for the bank they want this point guard to advertise your bank as much as you are trying to prevent this point guard give them a good reason we're GonNa do this but we're not going to do this how do you match those things up how can you make that work how can you throw that needle because here's the hypothetical I threw out on twitter that's not GonNa happen but play along a banker in Durham North Carolina who is also a Duke Fan he signs a actually trying to pay the purdue point guard to stay at Duke which is something instead of late today said they will not allow to happen I don't him from transferring and in the baker comes in and says no I'm not I have a bank we have a lot of Duke fans who bank with us we think but again play on the inside of steps in and says hey listen we see what you're doing but we don't think you would be beneficial to have the Duke Point Guard as spokesperson for us that's all we're doing exactly what you said we would be allowed to do when you announced it back on October twenty nine to three Kentucky fans got furious because Kentucky then use use fickle I'll use duke just hilarious if I would've used Duke Kentucky fans to maybe stay in school and other year as opposed to enter the NBA draft or maybe this point guard was thinking about transferring for whatever reason we think you're really just trying to prevent do point guard on a billboard for ten thousand dollars and and the instable I says yeah that's cool and then NC state booster tries to put it point the nineteen and the places we don't think that we we don't believe you we think this is essentially a pay for play scheme Tadic that we get instable changes its guidelines and the state lawmakers say okay cool we're out of it you win we lose we'll stay out of it when you took it to Jean Smith the Ohio state athletic director who actually like but who is someone in charge of this and it had to deal with it when you ask him this very basic to be in commercials to advertise for the bank and he does all this for a not insignificant amount the bunny millions of steps in and by the way they probably wouldn't 'cause it's don't know how you figure that out you think people are bitching about transfer waivers all the time wait till this happened wait wait till wait till I duke booster put you cannot accurately figure out what that bankers motivation is is he really just trying to do what you said he would be allowed to do or is he now what how do you resolve that it's not resolvable it's not resolvable because you cannot legislate it you cannot legislate the intent I've been like we're the biggest program in America why didn't you use US like I'm trying to use you you're mad about you mad about everything so okay fine it's do here okay so here's a hype art on a billboard for for for twelve thousand dollars and they said no no no that's just play you cannot this doesn't even work just in which is gene so you're saying this is Dan Walkin ask him the question not me gene you're saying you you're going to last them athletes to do this you're going to allow this thing to happen but you will not allow this thing to happen how do you make that work and he's like analyst a tough one no good answer because there's not a good answer and Dana says I offered a hypothetical situation quarterback ex from school y has a great season in a car dealership wants to pay him fifty thousand dollars to endorse its cars is that okay we should be normalized at the college level this is a billion dollar enterprise upbringing this though just to stay on this topic here so Dana Neil with the athletic got completely enlightening were were a bit helpful because I think this is this specific thing that we're talking about is one of the biggest issues of concern for the instability so sh keep ended up and it doesn't affect your work on the Lacrosse team that's easy cool stuff man continuing there will be others that are more problematic were if you play if you you know if you're a starter for you the Utah utes and you've got your really ebbe shouldn't be running from that reality anyway I just think it's way too much hand wringing way too much consternation way too much fear over something that ultimately the whole thing it's just it's it's like they didn't know anything about this topic until today and then they had to answer questions about it Mark Emmer an Ohio state president Michael Drake who was actually quoted in the end ablaze released a he's on the board of governors she got both of them for a quick Cuna here and I'll read we go hey young man you're four star recruit can you start a soundcloud account and start wrap it every once in a while and then we'll just are keeping the potential open to discuss putting some sort of regulations around that kind of situation which honestly the fact that Emerson that surprise me I always do what they wanted to do is create the impression that we're doing something but what they're doing isn't sensible given what's happened looks more like compensation for pay to play in a different form of currency that's the challenge and then Amherst says in your hypothetical the working group said look that's the I if you were if you were a guitar player in high school and You keep it up GP Guitar player up with a regulatory regime otherwise it's pay for play and some other guys we can get and semantics which I won't but at least at least mark effort is saying we all of it have been controlling the money and if they go as far as California lawmakers end of the continuum of name image and likeness and it's the most challenging and difficult to regulate they didn't say no never go there but only go there if you can tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars and for the longest time the people who are controlling the money right now in California and other states and it really is just look I don't want to say I don't understand I do understand it we're talking about business we're going to resist that again that is that is a half measure and that is just simply not going to fly the people in charge of this stuff have to realize that if they actually come Steve Five thousand dollars for you know potentially receiving money for for having your Jersey sold or for putting your likeness on a local the answer doubtful the long answer drake response from our point of view we imagine there will be a range of interactions and relationships are range of interactions and relations arguments that they're making but I hope they understand they are nonsensical arguments and what they did today might get some nice headlines somewhere but it is if not unwilling to give up on that and let me be clear if I were one of the dudes controlling all the money I might be trying to make the same nonsensical you just bear with me for for many owlree daynuss question and you had drake Amat responding specifically regarding this kind of thing actually thought their answers while not there's a hobby I mean get out to quote you GP or to paraphrase you get Outta my face with that because that's a that's an absolute joke so ridiculous and then I in his decade of being the instability president and I guess I would argue this nothing about that got easier for him today not the state lawmakers want him to go suddenly they're not controlling all the money anymore and they're hesitant to to to to to give up on that it you've got you've got to let it continue some will be straightforward and easy if you were a guitar player while in high school and you keep it up one is to go way further than this and meet California wherever California wants to meet perhaps Temecula list we might not really touch on this in terms of having new information for another six months which the only way oh you got a great music career you can play the drums you can wrap you can do whatever and you WanNa make money off of that we're cool with it but if you want to receive four five weeks ago and yet still it appears to me the truth is this the end simply has to real to actual options in your the people were supposed to be working on this how do you have good answers to these questions the concerning thing is when drake drake intimates that with its schools potentially facing postseason bans and completely upending the integrity of the collegiate model and then this statement put out today Woah deal. 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Getting To Know Our Father And Creator Divine Yahuah

MysticalDat Podcast

10:57 min | 2 years ago

Getting To Know Our Father And Creator Divine Yahuah

"This has been a date tile. WELCOME TO MR guilty. T. Fast ever put costs episode entitled to get into our fall in creates dividing Hoa in this essay oil leaking acting not new year but he offered ingred this line the Hoa hopefully known for his title God. Many of us know our creator to be God by his is actually his talk hot till before this his real title is due by this House being seen time and it tastes a description of him before I proceed on like hostile nick at some some bite to spiritual questions almost all of us at some life have artist if not all a few of these questions here curated me or us and you may have had got who Jesus Jesus Christ when we come from how did act came into existence was the first person evacuate. What are we doing during here. Why man and woman many more of these questions? It's is ox by so many of us out. There is that all spiritual machines burqas today. He's going to be on the fast question. He you created us will be enlightening you warm. 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Lonzo Ball

The Woj Pod

34:49 min | 1 year ago

Lonzo Ball

"Welcome in to another edition of the Word Pot here Miami with Pelicans Point Guard. A lot of ball are used to hearing that yet pelicans point guard now really I want to hear it for the first time and I gang but got a nice ring to Lonzo the this time of the year. We're recording this. You know a couple of days here before the start training camp we're in Miami. You've got a place down here and your spend some time here before you go back to New Orleans to have media day start camp. Is your body started like you start to feel like your body Tony Tony. I'm like you have a clock in there. That knows it's time to start playing like you're building up through the summer. Do you feel that going in your third year that like you just your your body reacts to the timing of this time of year for sure especially with me. Doing we have pretty much all summer trying to get right this training camp good to finally be able to get cleared you know beyond the court the last two weeks full-contact so I'm looking forward to it got to Miami for a couple of days just to get away for a little bit before you know long season starts the the open gyms you've been in New Orleans and got a practice silty there. That's been redone and you've got a real interesting. Mix Of you know obviously obviously Zion Williamson but some other rookies that are really interesting really talented. The veterans who were their gods like drew holiday who's all star level player and then the group of guys who came came from the Lakers and the trait you josh heart and you know that group coming in what is open gym like when you've got all these guys trying to get you know three first round picks. You got a few guys in the trade and then the returnees and then free agents. Jj Red comes in as a free the agent what's like the open gym like is all. These groups are starting to sort of get to know each other and figure out how you're GONNA be a team. That's exactly what it is much. You guys coming together from different parts of China Hanamaki team work. Click and open gem teams always mixed up but always ends up being competitive because everything you need in my opinion. You got the young guys you got the. That's a lot of talent. A lot of people like to work on when the trade happened and then Zion gets drafted. They normally pick they're gonNA Take Zion Williamson. The first thing everybody was talking about one of them was Lonzo Ball to Zion in transition. What has it been. I like playing with him so far and seeing kind of building a chemistry with him and seeing it at times you'll be able to place a two man game with him a little bit whether it's you know in the open court certainly or even a half court yeah. I mean he thrives in both honestly pick her and a half quarters amazingly him you can hit him on a short roll. You not the way for him to get away to the basket and he's much more than the dunker playmaker. I can give him the ball. He takes dribbles either. Take off or find a man in a corner and thrown on some folklore lobs. pretty much has got to play anywhere where the backboard uh-huh cancer and that's the thing with him and I think what has he's unlike anything. Most people have seen. There's never been a player exactly like him and I think it may be made it hard to new project him in some ways but the one thing constant they all talked about a duke and you saw it in the Games and they said it was in the practice was just his motor whatever he was on the floor and you know you'd see in college. He'd make up ground across court to close out block a shot. Do you see that in that open gym setting. I I feel like whenever he touches the court. instinct is just to play hard. I mean no matter what might not make every shot but he's always gonna go out there and give it his all no matter what the suddenness you talked about spending time rehabbing getting healthy injuries in your two years in a league anything different about how you've approached this offseason physically diet conditioning things that maybe help you know might help stave off injury this summer for me the biggest thing that's probably diet because I couldn't really run as far as condition. I couldn't do much other than like the bikers but I don't think die played a big role in it got itself you know on China may shocking lassos eighty two ditching what what was the pre Pelicans Diet like for you like early in the man regular food. I used to eat back and Chino Jack in the box in and out just regular stuff like that and then right you know New Orleans. That's always the threat like there's a lot of restaurants. Does it help. Do you think they have a chef in that city because you can go out and get off that you're out of telling me you know. Make sure you get a chef especially eh while he was telling me you know you can pick up quick tempered so coming into New Orleans with a big group that came as part of the trade the bond. That's there there with you. Guys who went through the trade talks for mostly a year before the Davis trade happened. Is there a unique bond with your group because you went through a lot and then you end up going to a new place to all start over together. Definitely I mean be I you know we had a big role back. La I be able to come over here with them. I was happy that you know he came with me. I know he's happy with him so I'm looking forward to it. We can do this year you and Brandon you know your games. There's a feeling both may really Alvin gentry system how you're going to play here and then more prominent certainly growing in your career having more prominent prominent roles that having him come here with you and having gone through all that it's probably feel different than if you just got traded by yourself to a new team team that you sort of walk in the gym with especially with Brandon for sure a Mamie be I've been together last two years help that were friends off the court as well so it's always nice when it gets shipped somewhere and then you've got somebody that you know comfortable with and the only thing we haven't played together at five on five only thing but I mean you know having him in Gem. I know no he's about you know that I'm about and we complement each other very well at what point in La Lonzo did it feel like to you. My my future probably isn't here. What was it once. The name of Anthony Davis asked for trade and those trade talks start. Did your group guys to say. Did you feel it was inevitable that it was inevitably. They were going to do this deal or you never quite sure whether it'd be there. It'd be somewhere else I mean. I never one hundred percent share. I had to fill in all star break. I feel like the injury kind of like did it for me like in her twice in a row and not being able to pretty much leads prove myself season you know the time like the playoffs and I couldn't help her so after that and then with the trade talks about I thought star break night a good feeling you know having grown up grown up in Chino Hills yet planet. UCLA getting drafted second overall by the Lakers. You know when that draft order under comes out when you're in college and you see okay. It's set up pretty well for me. Did it feel like this is a story. Book like this is like you know. I'm on my whole career in southern California when when you're that when you're coming out of. Ucla and magic is talking about. You're talking about Your Jersey being up in a in the rafters someday with greats there. Is that what it feels like at that age facilities like a like a dream. Come true kind of like movie. Honestly I mean it'd be able to stay the Home Depot career pretty every once you know just being comfortable in the city on my family's out there and got the best plan guard of all the time talking about it's GonNa put Your Jersey in Iraq author so I mean at that time I was like shocked that is all planned on the team last year and you you knew Lebron wanted Anthony Davis to get Anthony Davis. You have to trade good players and you gotta trade picks the tension that existed in the locker room. Do you think it was more like individual. Oh guys because everyone's GonNa handle that differently. There's very few guys at that age who've ever been told there's someone better than you or the whole thing's not built around you. It's it's jarring starring when you're young to be told there's going to be out. Somebody better did impact the guys who are in the talks as a group or did certain guys is take it differently like how did you handle that. I can't speak for everybody. I know as far as myself just being a kid from out there and knowing how Elliot always pretty much has a star anytime. You have a chance to get basically a tough guy illegal. You'll make that that's right so familiar. Just motivation like I. I WANNA be one year when nobody can touch me. I'm safe on that so for me. It was just you know it is what it is go to New Orleans restart fresh start and just have a bigger role. Honestly you know this week there was our draft analyst John Voting on Australia and saw your brother Lamelo mellow playing at a really high level there and you talk to NBA people and he's in the conversation not just to be a top five pick in the draft but but maybe compete for the number one overall spot when you look at the path he's taking now nontraditional right Lithuania Australia you went the most traditional path southern California star you go to. Ucla you get drafted. How different has it been for him and and as is an older brother you feel like you've maybe live Suu through some things. He has seen what you've gone through. We've all gone through a lot together. That might make it the path a little easier for him. You kind of cleared cleared the way a little bit on a lot of things whether it's going to be the kind of shoe deal he's going to do the kind of endorsements all those things things that you've had a fight through and get to and and maybe there's a clear lane for him to to walk through so as part of being big brother. You know I take all the steps eight to get where you need to go and show them the way to get there. I'm obviously it's a little different with the goals the same at the end and then it ended today you know he can pick them off the phone anytime you can call me he wants to be number one pick number two so. I know what it takes to get there. Basically I tell them. Just keep your head on straight. You know you're young. I don't don't have many followers as he had you know at that age but I kind of know is like to be in the spotlight all the time so anything I can do to help him always talked to you know make sure he's he's doing. We're supposed to be doing and as far as his path. I mean I didn't go overseas but not a play basketball. I know which is supposed to do you know when you're in between line so long as it keeps listening and duties. Do you have the talent when you look back he because he obviously didn't have couch eligibility. He couldn't have gone to play at. UCLA or duke wherever any choices you had you like that. You played that one year of college. Do you look at that and say or what have liked to have played in Australia at that. Aged is one path preferrable to the other. I think everybody's situation is different for him. He couldn't we felt if he went to college. He wasn't going Miller play so it was like he had no choice besides Australia China or something like that. I saw him actually when we was out here I talked to him or do you want to do in all this breaking it down so you only have so many options for me the option. Ma Sense was good at UCLA I felt like that pretty much at the two I needed to be so I think when you're two brothers went to Lithuania urine your rookie year and I mean they were young young. A young guys and your dad was there and it wasn't as if they were there alone but what was that like sort of seeing them go off and the concern you have because that's that's not the easiest place in the world at that age to be a kid grew up in southern California to be off. They're playing and having bring it all documented all the time like what what was that like watching from however many five thousand miles away who is going to be tough especially on a little one. He was like fifteen sixteen at the time. You know going over there. He's never been you know out of. USA So I know it's GonNa be tough for him. I wasn't too worried about Jello. He's older. You're not take care of yourself so I wasn't worried about him but I was very relieved to see that he had a chance to come back home and you know being kind of like a high school kid again inspire. You're he called me right. When he figured out he can come back and he was really happy. So I've had failed Lamelo will be able to negotiate you know a a big kind of a big traditional shoe deal right you know the Nikes adidases the brain drain all he's got something that a lot of the college players who come out don't having that's everybody knows who he is right and that helps a lot and like you said they knew who you were and you go to. Ucla and you make a deeper in the NCAA tournament and you get drafted by the Lakers as you were set up however you want to do a shoe deal but for him while his path is in his traditional said he's in Australia and other guys have been doing that. RJ's down down there now and there's been other guys who've who've done that is part of you that because of what you went through with big baller and doing cashew deal the way you did it. He's not going to have to deal with all of that stuff. You had to that that that's going to be a benefit for I mean he gets to go through the real expo the process. I mean when I was coming out. We were just working on my shoe. Big baller brand. That's what it was. I didn't take any meetings or anybody else and it was already kind of sad for me but for him. It's a long time like you know you'll have a chance to go talk to Adidas. Go Talk to Nike Puma. Everybody take every meeting and then whoever wants to most postman go down. I told him make sure he takes his career now. Don't wait like I did so I mean. Hopefully that helps him. He seems like he's taking it. All in. I'm excited for looking back. How would you have done it differently. You said him taking control of it now the way you hadn't looking back would you have gone and done. All those fissures shot one hundred percent. I mean that's that's part of it. You know and you work your whole life. You know to be able to even have a opportunity to be sponsored by shoe. Brand is is amazing south. I mean I'm not GonNa say I regret not take anything at the end of the day was in our family business and I was was doing what I could you know to try to boost it and it was actually pretty good when I was coming out of UCLA so I don't regret anything but as far as living life and learning you know I'm glad that I to help him and give him feedback on. What you know. Already weren't doing what I feel like. You know. It'd be a better. NFL would you look at. I'm sure you hear this from people. All the time and I'm I'm sure people who are trying to whether it was agents who are recruiting you that whoever saying Hey Lonzo like you're going to get a rookie shoe deal. That's unlike most because of your profile your talent you know the Lakers being picked. I'm sure you had an idea of those. Numbers might look like is is that the hard part of it is that was it that it cost you money in the end or was it that maybe you didn't get to career it all out and make a decision for yourself. Nike Adidas Whomever Verse Going Down the Big Ball right all about the money is more about just being in the process. I mean on out there running on out there playing so just had the option to pick what I WANNA. Do you know what I'm saying so for him. uh-huh said I want him to soak it all in and enjoy enjoy the process you talked about this and you went through it like you're trying to play as a rookie in the NBA with shoes shoes that are just really test tissues. They're not really they haven't been through the rigors that all the shoes go through and like you said like they would break or they weren't you could wear them for a little while and when you have to think of that time about you're just trying to like mostly you're just into the NBA and all the things that go with it but you gotta keep thinking about like what's going on like. Do I need to change this quarter at halftime. When you look back at it was that all bigger maybe a bigger burden within that needed to be or like you like that took took more to me than even it felt like then because it was something nobody else was having to deal with. I mean yeah it was different but at the same time I mean we're trying to build a brand and they were in my shoes so I had to wear them and there was no shoes. We had some relief. There was no way those are going to make it to the the NBA Cordeiro. Miller sees but you know grateful. We got to leak out with brand black and got me a better shoe but yeah I mean just just convert playing playing toby's my whole life so switch it up right. When I get pretty much less age. I was a little different from me and I don't make any excuses. I don't regret anything anything I did. The the lessons you learned going through this like trying to be the face of of business and trying to be a to me. There's a few positions in the all pro sports is like quarterback with the Dallas cowboys. Maybe like shortstop for the New York Yankees and I think one of them is point guard for the Lakers mm-hmm because of magic in the history to have to deal with all that and at the same time try to be the face of this brand where it's not going well trying to figure it out coming out on the other side of big baller like what do you think you learn the most about this business about cert- trying to take charge for yourself that you think you take the rest of the way with you. I miss a lot for nineteen year old. Kid You know coming out but I've been put a lot of I shoulder for a long time now on my family at least so I mean I I wasn't prepared for it but you know it's a lot to laugh especially being in. La La you know all they care about championships matter what so I know that growing up there and just watching the Lakers play my whole life so bill would not even make the playoffs and stuff because there was like. I never really been losing since I play basketball. I was the first year I had losing seasons so just try to get back that summer and come back and then I got hurt again so it's tough mentally you know just staying focused and kind of knowing that you're not going to be somewhere that you wanted to be that. You felt like you could help turn around but it is what it is. Everything happens for a reason and I feel that God put me and it was Asian now when you hear it from fans whether you're on the court or or you're out away from the arena like here the like hey you gonNa make the playoffs. Hey are you going to stay healthy that stuff. Would you get the big baller like hey I ordered them and they didn't come or did you have to hear like the business stuff too. When people would kind of players have to hear when they go anywhere I mean here and there I didn't get I didn't hear too much. I thought we got a lot of support. When I was coming out. lot of people just believing in the brain wanted to work because it was something different so I didn't get too many too many negative things about it. Honestly the you had on the I guess the most recent ball in the family show like there was that exchange with your dad that everyone kind of went viral and people keep talking about it because you've been on that the show's been part of your life and you've had your family dynamic play out in public and away most people don't I have to do with that conversation. You had is not unlike anybody talking a lot of different ways to their father their mother family except it was like cameras on it and you deal with it. You have to deal with different way. Did that one a couple of weeks ago feel like it. I don't know it. It got out there in a way that everybody was judging that conversation and what you know how you are what Your Dad said about your career was and the brand. Did that get reacted a two differently than almost anything else. You've done that show. Maybe yeah for sure I mean I think that was the most popular seeing on his show. It was everywhere aw life growing up you know he he has his ways. I have mine and we just got into it. I mean that's what fathers and sons do you know as time goes on at the end of the day. It's always love at the end you know. I know he loves me. I love him but it's not always going on. Everything and I want you hit set in one of recent every that you would talk to him. Maybe I talked as much since the trade and I I wonder if like you've said the big baller brand is for you. I think a little bit in your view mirror now going going forward and you know you changed agents and representation and you're with a new team do think maybe it gets easier because the role that your dad will play going forward is like azure father and maybe less as a business partner less as he was your coach for a longtime. You think that might make it easier. It's just it's just GONNA be more father son and maybe that simplifies some of those tensions that come out in a moment like that I mean like my dad's always been talking my whole life so I mean isn't that the difference to me. I think we'll makes it easier that I'm controlling. Everything now like you really can't tell me what to do. It is my life my career. You know I'm making all the decisions now. I chose to go see a you know so the thing mean becoming my own man is GonNa make it easier honestly. Where did it feel like for you. That's a decision. Didn't I'm GONNA make now. This is a route route. I'm taking was there. A moment was at the Ramona Shelburne done the story about Allen Foster's background who had been the business partner in big baller brandon think brought to us some things about his past that you had been aware of and there was money missing and I think your manager manager had come to you and said Hey we've got issues here and then that started the down the road but was that around the time reset. I gotta do this differently things. There was that whole situation went to brand and then my daughter. I feel like those two things kind of shaped me to what I am now. You know it's a lot different than the kid allies year so so between those two. I think that's what happening now. I what I know that moment of becoming a father and the impact of that of having a daughter how did that redirect. You're thinking when it came to your professional life. I'm just putting our I gotta do certain things. GotTa make sure her future is secure. Not Just my family now got her with me all the time so there's mega seriously as easy path possible you now on growing up and just doing everything. She wants to put him onto so I'm trying to put her in a position to do that. Meaning more to make sure that financially you're responsible is part of the thought my responsibility is her financially and and setting things up and more so than being in business with the rest of my dad but the rest of my family is is that sort of thinking of of just financially actually protecting yourself a sewer. I mean you want to grow up with no worries. Obviously not going to be problems in life. Everybody has them but my job is to make it easy for her as possible and that's what I'm trying to do your mother. Tina's had a difficult road. Here's the last couple of years suffered a stroke and is people know it's you know the rehabilitation and coming back from a takes awhile the stress that people talk about your dad a lot. He's been more in the public eye but the role your mom has played with you know with you and your your brothers and her having to deal with you know obviously a lot of scrutiny some of these ups and downs and then her own you what she's had to go through feels like it's been a little bit of an overlooked dynamic in your family of your relationship with her and and sort of helping her through this so sure everybody sees my dad in the media so thinks he has a big role and he obviously doesn't family but a Momma's person who held everything together. I mean has anybody knock family. He's the only person my dad listened to honestly so you know when she went down it was it was tough for everybody and you're this is the first time I've Seen My dad cry so you know it was tough on the family and it hits you different. You know obviously it's a it's a long journey. Emma witter you know the whole time. We know she's strong but you know it's tough being last couple of years seeing everything she has to go through you know especially with us being media time but she's strong and she's she's getting back ax rehabs. You know five times a week. she understands everything which is great and now it's just about getting their movement backing. You know we'll get the speech out. What was it like growing up in. Chino hills like before people saw you on the U. Circuit and Your Dad coaching and the the like before that what was it like growing up in that town a lot of fun lot of fine. I mean small town but you know a lot of friends there just much Kennedy just like to play play industry all the time so you couldn't see you know more details. You can just run for fine. We usages race all the time. We had a backyard. Everything you need a basketball hoop pool. We had like a little mini theater in the House and you know my parents. Cook Pretty Much neighborhood I so I mean growing growing up as a lot easier time. Sure you say talking about playing like you really were on guys. Get on that travel circuit. Batman is it is grueling that age. You know you're like me. You're not flying charter right. You're going places but playing like that like especially when you have brothers and they were younger and so they probably maybe at times tag along with you and your older friends was that as much fun as you had just like going around whether it's like pickup basketball L. football in the street whatever it is like where it was. There was no structure. There was no attention to it. You just played just play There's a bunch of kids having fun on a safe environment. You know it's amazing so looking back on it. You know the Great Times my brothers with me. All the time I mean I remember a date was ever separated. We used to always be together. The the bond you have with with your brothers and and you grew up together and all of a sudden you start like you know they go overseas and your college and your and the Lakers and now now you're in New Orleans being the older brother. You find those guys to leaning on you. Maybe even when you're not around every day. Maybe leaning on you even more to reach out and say you like Hey. How do I handle this. What do I whether it's with what do I. What do I tell my coach on this. Whatever it is that those guys maybe we need Egypt sometimes now than then when you take it for granted being around each other all the time for sure especially for mellow like him now or never just the most. He's called me since since he's separated pretty much so those guys are. I'll help them or anything to be basketball. You can come to me for whatever I mean. That's what I'm I'm here for. You know they always looked up to me the whole life. I don't think they'll stop now. What's the change like people who saw mellow play few years ago and like you'd see the tapes. It was like you know he'd be taken like you know forty five foot shod and it looked like he was young he was young right and it looked different and now like like in its maturity. It's he's grown physically probably in the way you grow at that age. How have you seen his game evolve and and when you all of a sudden you see him a kid now. Who is like on the cusp? Both you know being one two three four th pick in the draft. I mean just look at his game. no-one him much more mature and then that Grossberg them alive I mean he shot up for like five ten to like he told her to me about six seven now so between that and a talented already had already had everything you need to pick roll. He had to float her we could shoot now is just about making sure he making the right play every time. I've that's what he's trying to focus on on right now focusing on turnovers. I know his first game he went there. He had a couple more now alike but just just staying on the right path listening to Louis coaches because he knows he's down to kit every time except on the court but you know Salat morgantown everybody tellingly how different was it for him to deal with you a little bit older dealing with the attention and the scrutiny that came to your family was it hard on him to sort of figure out how to maneuver through all that was part of your responsibility with him because I can't imagine it was easy when you're the number two pick and you're GONNA like you're getting a ton of attention and it was times. I don't know five ten whatever it was because of you were in the ball family. I think as hard as on me me just because I was the first one I you know I had to find out everything Kinda. We gotTA worry my family. I made it to the League or that far so I'll kind of went through everything I so he he can. He can dodge a few bullets that I already took for them you know so. I mean as far as the followers gladden half following his age he's on Espn with ninety two who points and stuff so I mean it's just a little bit different for him but at the end of the day it's kind of the same I mean you know what I mean. It hasn't changed. The people don't change. You'RE GONNA have people like if you WANNA hate to the relationship that you have now with teammates you walk in with the Lakers and people people are wondering like whether it was like your coach or a teammate is Lavar going to be publicly critical of them and like I think guys in a league. Maybe oh you had to deal with early on like you become a target right. I'm going to go. I have this opinion of his dad but I'M GONNA go. Take it out on who hasn't said or done anything and is that how it felt then. Does it feel different now because you're at a different place in your career life than when you were just this target when you walk in the League yeah. I mean everybody always says when they meet me and finally get to know Hawaii night. We didn't think he was like this just because everything. My Dad doesn't immediately but I mean identity today. I I always tell people person like you know. Don't group me with anybody. Whatever you see for me is what you get and get to know me as always fine but deathly just come coming illeg. Everybody was trying to come at me for sure. was there any part of you that just said like the time. Can you help make this a little bit easier on me because I'm the one who has to go. Oh face westbrook tonight. I gotta go face Steph Curry. That's not necessarily helping me or was it. Just hey listen. This is who he is. I've dealt with it and I'll figure it out like was that was that ever a line. You had to walk no because that's all I knew play basketball. He always said you know. My son is the best anybody against them. You know don't matter so for me. It was just like his thing. He said it's just now he has cameras following honestly so for me dealt with at the best way out to actually go out there and play leading an NBA team. Tough guys are a lot older than you. More experienced your twenty one years old going into with with a new team. What have you learned about what it takes to lead a group of men in the NBA especially from your position. You GotTa talk a lot more just from my first year the second year. I saw how Rondo Rondo is always always talking. Whether it's good or bad he's always saying how and also guys respond to. I mean it's not nothing fake. It's just it's just what it is. Elite team and you know the way I lead is kind of like an example how my whole life go out there and do what I'm supposed to do in the guys fall in line but at this level you have to the biggest thing. Rondos you know he's. He's a really smart player. He sees things here like Anybody's played with them coached him has said he's. This is intelligible player that they've been around in the league like in. What ways would you see that with him that you say. I can take something from how he sees the game and how he studies it I mean I picked it up right when he got there right when he got into them building. We watched film together and he pretty much built donohoe Corta. If I wrote down a whole game just after asthma I know he was a little different and then just throughout the year he was doing the same thing every film session. Stop in practice to say something team and that's kind of picked it up like this guys in different knows what he's talking about. It and you can tell because the feedback on the player everybody was listening and it wasn't like he was just talking to be talking. He was truly China fifteen. We know down the road. How good good potential is for the PELICANS team and the it's a young team. You're still twenty. One Brandon Ingram is discerned to just twenty two right and obviously Zairean and the other rookies that are coming in but this year with this group in the gym and you know you know how good the West is and you know you've seen what it takes in this league to have you know the kind of talent that gets teams in the playoffs but this team this year. Maybe be better than chance. Maybe it'd be better than people I think so about to take one game at a time you know we in the West. There's no there's no off nice. When you think is off night is not you know you can lose any night and it's a long long year so I mean I think personally had a pieces to do it and you can go to where we need to go but my vice damages you know there's just take it step by step. I was going the F. is going to be downs but let's just stay on the right path and I think if we do that will be Okay Lonzo. This was this was a lot of fun. I appreciate you taking time to sit down. Good luck with Cam. I'm starting next week and I know we'll see down the road. This season appreciate it. Thanks thanks for listening to this edition of the Woge Pod a big thank you to our our guest. Pelicans Point Guard Lonzo Ball be sure to listen and subscribe to the ESPN podcast low post with Zach Lowe and and the hoop collective hosted by Brian Winters and of course you can subscribe and listen to archive editions of the woes pod. Wherever you get your shows. We'll catch next time

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LeBron Playing Point Guard; Ric Bucher, RADIO.COM Sports NBA Insider

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LeBron Playing Point Guard; Ric Bucher, RADIO.COM Sports NBA Insider

"I welcome to Scallon Palace here on a Friday closing out the second full week of the show or here on the Radio Dot Com sports digital network as as I said second full week of the show here we feel like we're doing good things. Yesterday we made some I don't know but we but Kendrick Perkins made waves with his comments on the broad. He's going to join us again today. So pumped always have Kendrick roof euchre's GonNa stop by we gotta ask Rick because he dropped a little nugget at the end of on Wednesday when we had him on at the end of his hit about Jaanus future future and why he thinks he might be staying in Milwaukee so have to ask Rick about that and bunch of other stuff we got our first coaches challenged last night scall- and I'm also really confused mused about why it's news that Lebron playing point guard for the Lakers is like a story like I really don't understand that at all but so maybe you can explain that for me and clear that up for me scalp but first and foremost how you doing on a Friday Friday morning yeah. It's a great love Friday. Obviously the weekends coming up and actually today. I've inspired by Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler wakes up at three ten in the morning to work out so I'm an early riser but three would be like I got something wrong with me. If I'm waking up at three o'clock but it woke up at four and I didn't mess around I got my bag right to the gym and got to work out in like I said I was inspired. I know oh Jimmy Butler and incredible work and I do a Meyers Leonard did right so. I know that if he's a standard I know I can accomplish that goal so then went workout workout home saw a little bit of the family shop the little would of course every decor shops lords yes since since starting this show today. I feel like I own the day so far I remember I used to work at seven which may it's it's Kinda hard to work out and still make show at seven so I'm love in Friday right now so the only person that can ruin it for me as you Cerruti so go. Don't mess it up for me. I know what am I going to Piss you off about today but I will say this. I mean I don't understand like the waking up that early. I feel like when you wake up that early. It's because you want to tell people that you look like the only reason I feel like Jimmy. Butler is telling people they woke up at three thirty is because he wants to be like Oh. It's a hard worker three thirty in the morning. What's the difference between working out at four in the morning and working out at not in the morning like it doesn't make any sense Jimmy Butler day is probably mostly free? I just like getting three thirty is totally pointless and just to be like Oh look how hard audible worker Jimmy Butler is and I know he's a hard worker so I'm not even thinking of millennial thing millennial so great but he said he goes to bed early. You know why here's the reason why because you know practice is going to be around nine or ten. Am Right so if you WANNA get a good workout and good meal and maybe get some body body work as well. You can get all that stuff done before practice that therefore we're practice is over you can head home and all of a sudden boom you cannot take care of what you do you take a nap or whatever it is and NBA players do so and once it's threes a little bit early I I get it. That's that's let me show the world how hard I'm working working gets almost like borderline insomnia but but but I do agree I think that waking up early and knocking out a bunch of work before practice starts to sing think about it. You got your shots up. If you got your weight room in and you've got your body work and now practices starting you've already accomplished a pretty good day and remember remember as the day goes along more likely to say like Oh man. I don't WanNa do this or all man. I'm not going to get these extra shots up so I commend him for working heart art and just to let you know Jimmy Butler. That's my guy. He was my rookie and he was nice back in the day. He was a hard worker then. He's a hard worker doc. I don't deny that he's a hard worker like clearly. Don't get you don't you don't make the improvements in your game. That Jimmy Butler made Anoxia hard worker. I look at like I just you know for me. I I get up at seven eight little after eight so I'm trying to get into like around three hours of prep for the show looking through stories Kinda come up with I workout. I I always have to work out in the afternoon. I don't have enough energy in the morning scalp to get a legit workout like hot. I don't I don't ever think I could learn that like because if I went to the gym like you said you got up at four and got went to the gym at four what the gym before thirty like a Zombie and I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't be able to get anything accomplished at the gym interesting. Thanks so so I first of all are you a headband and that type of guy or are you a Lululemon guy. I'm really trying to picture you working out the headland guy. I'm just trying to like okay. Give me what can you do for work out. You just do like curls. I'm trying to figure this out curls for the girls now I do I do. I do a lot of like low weight high rep stuff because I'm not trying to get big. I'm a skinny dude. I'm not trying to get I'm not trying to bulk up. There's some cardio in there. I gotta be out if you have been really lazy. Recently I've gotTa get back into my gym flow and I haven't really been on my gym flow so luckily I have a decent metabolism right now. I'm only thirty so I'm not necessarily putting on the LB's but I don't know how much time I have before I start doing that so I gotta get back into my flow but when I used to go consistently yeah there were some weights in there there was some treadmill there was maybe happened on the The rowing machine used to work on the back. We're all that stuff so I'm not a big leg guy. I don't really work on leg day too much because I have skinny legs as it is. It's probably not gonNA change aims but I'm looking at just maintain scale. I'm not looking like impressed anybody at the beach well Jimmy Butler dot looking to maintain Jimmy on a mission to put Miami back on the map and we've it Kinda. Kinda dismissed Miami. We don't really talk about 'em because we've also kind of dismissed Jimmy Butler thinking since he's gone down there he had he doesn't really make a difference but I mean he's trying to disprove you and by the way to there is by putting it off till the afternoon. Lowers is your chance of actually going to work. You understand that it's easy to blow up later than it is to blow things up in the morning so that's probably the reason why you you say you've been blowing it off so don't don't knock my boy for getting up and getting after it when you're over here blowing up workout if you're GonNa get him you you gotta be a guy that brings it right you get you to be your another. NBA Player. You're like Yogi by work done any time during the day and you're actually doing it. That's one thing but I Rueda. You just mentioned that you've been blowing up workout on Jimmy Butler for waking up early just to show the world that he is like. I don't know if you could do that. I think got to draw a line there if I was it. NBA Player I would be a late night workout guy. I'd be like a nine ten o'clock in the gym guy because I feel like not a lot of people are going to be there at that time and I feel like I'm I'm typically Glenn Night Owl so that would be like my most productive time. You're right like if I if I do a full day of work and then I'm like Oh you know I go to the gym or not. There's a good chance I'm not GonNa go to the gym because I'm GONNA I don't want to go home and sit on the couch and watch TV but I do think maybe I'll try to get into the non o'clock ten o'clock Jim Thome and see if I can get back into that flow but you're one hundred nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night so rudy okay okay. That's actually a pretty good gym time very route at that time so yeah yeah man all right more power to you now. We got we got. We got lawn updates. We got house updates now. We got workout for you. We're building. We're making you're making me a better person scowl. I appreciate that two weeks three weeks and this Gal pals and I feel like I'm already like the best anyway all right so this is something I wanted wanted to get into with you a little bit Scou- is and we we talked a little about Lebron yesterday but there was a storage you see the story about the Lakers were practising Lebron as a as their point wink guard and crunch time situations and I this is like a story legitimately that a bunch of news outlets picked up and like Lebron the point guard people were talking about and he's talking about how he that he can play a bunch of different positions. Actually we have Salads Lebron talking about potentially playing point guard and the matter to me matter among the ball Blair from nineteen modify garden mushroom daughter small for Senate floor and I can make these happy with whoever enforcement looking for yeah I agree with him like he's he's in his era position list basketball he could probably play all all five positions and it doesn't really matter but this thing of like them trying him out as this crunch time point guard for the Lakers like hasn't he like educate me here scalp because I'm truly saying that I don't don't actually know but hasn't he basically played point guard crunch time on every team he's ever been on in the history of his career. Yeah I don't understand the difference in it because they legitimately Eh don't have another guy that can bring the ball the floor like typically. He has brought the ball to floor but it'd be Rondo or Kyrie which which yeah you could make an argument that Kyrie's more shooting anyways so yeah. I'm not sure that it makes a difference. The Braun has I think I think it was in Miami. AM One year he brought the ball up sixty seven percent of the possessions now with the lowest of his career last year he brought the ball. It's gotta be up in the eighties or nineties and the same thing in Cleveland so I why at this news story because people in La don't have anything to write about or the new story because people in La. I have no idea what basketball is like. I feel like when you sign the Bron- like he's running. Your offense like this isn't a this isn't like a yes sure there's going to be a point guard on the they have Rondo. Can you name some of the guys he's had in the past and he said some nontraditional point guards because he's really the one that can play point guard. I think like the most successful point guard probably play with Lebron our guys that are catching shoot guys or are defensive type players who don't necessarily need the ball in their hands at all times and they're just smaller on the court so I didn't really understand this at all. The other thing that Kinda out of came out of some of the Lakers news yesterday was that they were talking about Anthony in that same lineup they were talking about Anthony Davis playing the five which is interesting to me because you so in this era of guys going smaller teams going smaller and small ball lineups. We've seen how much success the warriors have with the death lineup and all that stuff and you know putting draymond green at center and how how devastating that was two teams. Anthony Davis has always been a guy who's wanted to play the four next to a traditional big. That's why he loved them. demarcus cousins was joined him in with the Pelicans and he's kind of been adamant about that in the past. So do you think that matters that. Do you think it matters that he plays the by if he's playing next to a big um I know but every team is going to go small so when you're saying Anti Davis doesn't WANNA play five 'cause he doesn't WanNa Bang with with all these big out there. I I totally get get that from Anthony. Davis says perspective he's required to carry the load offensively and defensively you don't WanNa be you know. Pounding against guys are running all over the place and guarding pick and roll and firing back and having block all these guys out so I I understand what he's coming from in the at the end of a game. Every team is going to go small at the end of the game. Every every four is going to be a five every three will turn into a four x just how we're more than likely you'll run with either twos two point guards on the floor so yeah yeah I get it like Anthony. Davis says WANNA play thirty five minutes a night at the five but you can bet it that that Anthony Davis is gonNA finish the game. It'll be Lebron. I guess you could say as plane point. Even though he'll guard the worst player on the other team and Anthony Davis regard the most rebounding threat for wherever he's going against the at at the end to once again to things that to me are not stories that were kicking off our show with my boggling to me. Let's let's move on out of this so we've got a bunch of little stories today scowl and I think you know all them are interesting in their own way so I've got I think six of them. I want to throw at you here. We're going to have rick euchre at the bottom of the hour and they're gonNA have Kendrick Perkins coming up in just under an hour so a bunch of guests to come up here and a bunch of interesting things to talk about with them but first and foremost let's run through through these as fast as we can. Did you see the challenge in the rockets game last night that Mark Dantonio did so. It's it's the first time in a in a preseason game. That's obviously not a regular season game but that a coach challenged a call James Harden was was called for a foul Dantonio challenged the call ended up being upheld Dantonio kind of around saying I wanted to be the first guy to to basically be able to challenge a call. He was joking around. You and Doc rivers said they have like a fake bed about who'd be the first one to do it but I think it's kind of an interesting thing scouser the I don't know if you know but I'll explain to people who don't know the rules of the situation basically in the coming being into the regular season coaches are gonna be able to have one challenge they'll be able to use it for the first forty six minutes of the game and the first three minutes of overtime basically in the last two minutes of either of any overtime regulation Russian. Everything will go to kind of booth review. You're able you're able to challenge. Personal thousand fouls that go against your team is that what do you think about that. That's okay I don't I don't mind again. I wanted to speed up this actually make the game a little bit longer but you know what it was gonNA end up. Being as coaches are going to use their challenge as a way of backing up their superstar player right so what would have happened in that situation. If it was a regular season game. Tony would've jumped out of his seat. He would've gone cuts because he's trying to protect James Harden. He would have got a technical foul in this case he can kinda throw James Harden bone by challenging the call to say we know I know you're one of the best players in the NBA and I got your back in. I know I I'm I'm in the last year my contract so I WANNA make sure everybody knows that and I have your back on this one so I can see how coaches will use it just like that. Some coaches strategically use it. Maybe in the fourth quarter but for Mike Antoni anytime there's a a questionable call with James Harden why not go ahead and throw it out there. You know just because if back it's turned James Harden goes to the free throw line obviously is two points or whatever but it goes owns a long ways to you know having a relationship with your best fire yeah I think it's interesting a- It opens up a can of worms and I think with this whole we're such a replay society like an I'm sort of I'm probably part of the problem but like you WanNa get the call right. You want to get as many calls as you can right so I think this is obviously a good step in the right direction for the we'll see how it sort of works out in the regular season but I again again. I think it'll be interesting how it turns out. Did you see our boy. James Harden tried his sort of sidestep fatally shot again last night to over two now scowl. I know you had you. You have high expectations for the going to the season but we're now over to here on the season for hardens weird step back straightaway shop. Yeah I got high expectations at this shocking not be block doc and I think if he can never master it if go down at the legendary shot I do believe that now he won't use it like a Jordan fadeaway or a Kareem Skyhook a hook or Dirk Nowitzki one lake step back won't use it like that but I if he does if he can master this giant. It would be really interesting but I don't think he has to did. Did you caught the game last night. He's his shot is actually faster than it was before which I thought remarkable because the already at a quick release he's he's shooting from deeper that step back seems to be no problem for him whatsoever so James Harden actually from from what I watched last night and he he dominated donated once again he finally better up instantly than in than he even was last year which was he was a dominant force. I thought this was the year at the League. He caught up to him after watching him. Play these Games and Shanghai sharks and clipper backups I it just looks like he's a better offensive player hit the faster after release. He's more decisive in his moves. He's more efficient in what he's doing out there so it's GonNa be really interesting to see how the league adjust to him this year speaking of jump shots in new things Lonzo ball working out new jump shot I saw video where he jj rettig. We're kind of doing a three point contest. In practice disc and Lonzo ball has always had like that weird hitch in his shot like he was almost like you remember Kevin Martin. It was almost like Kevin Martin style shop putting we're back spin on it. I don't know there's not backspin but like just like an art book and he's sort of gotten that out of his shot a lot of people have big expectations not only for the Pelicans this year but Lonzo ball new setting you know obviously there's going to be minutes. They're a little but less pressure than there may be was with the Lakers so I I I mean anything probably would be better than the jump shot he had before a mission to know like how hard is it to change your jump shot like in the middle of your career. I guess it's not the middle of his career. But obviously you know this is a guy who was in his early twenty s so he's been shooting the same way for most of his life and all of a sudden change your shot this year it has to to be a massive massive sort of curve and change in in the way that you play the game but what do you think of Lonzo's new shot like are we are we. What are your expectations for him this year because I think a lot of people think he's is a big bounce back candidates to have a big year and kind of you know prove while he was number two pick in the draft a couple years ago so just in general like minus his father right? I'm really high on Lonzo so I come from a really different. This is my NBA Experience Jason Kidd for four years Regime Rondo. I guess you would dare my rookie year for four years as well so you can see how Lonzo is kind of molded that way the question is not going to be his jump shot throughout. I I want to you know I third quarter. It's when guys change their shot. If there's a certain amount of belief that you have to end up instilling in them will he believe in his jump shot in the fourth quarter. That's where this could get. A little bit interesting. Shot looks better no question about it in how how long will this last and if he's not making him we'll hit will end up taking them. You know one thing there are guys just shoot their shot unconsciously no matter if they're making you're missing or it doesn't really matter to them Lonzo in guys who in general change their shot. I wonder how much believe they really have in their shot so we'll have to to analyze him in the fourth quarter but outside of that I think he has really no weaknesses in this game. I think he's a good defensive player. He's evolved mover. He likes to push the ball in transition edition. The question would be can't he finish at a pick and roll. I can't get the ball turned the corner. He seems to be the guy that likes to get rid of it. Quickly Kenny get get downhill and finish at the rim or will he ever be able to knock down the open shots. Those are the two weaknesses in his game but outside of that he really doesn't have many weaknesses Sousse besides his father yes father I mean getting sort of pushing him aside and if you've written you know read or listen to any of the comments at Lonzo sort of had recently it does seem like he's talking about like I'm taking my career. You know for my own like I'm not letting anybody decide what I'm GonNa do that. Whether that comes to what brands wearing I don't believe he's even with the big ball brandon more than he's wearing Nike issues now so he's moved on from that and maybe for the first time kind of taking different coaching advice in guys telling him hey you got to change the shot. If you really want to be a consistent shooter in this league the interesting thing about the Pelicans in Scou- is like I feel like they've got you know what what happened. What will happen do you think do you think drew a move to the two or like Lonzo come off the bench but they've also got obviously? Jj Radic. There's a lot of guards kind kind of bear that are looking to Kinda gets minutes. I know drew's a guy that can play either guards. More of a combo garbage can play the point you see he andrew sort of playing back together as sort of a backward there in New Orleans like Jihadi has so much versatility he can easily play yeah guard like Bonzo I I don't know if he can play the two guard it wouldn't be crazy to have Lonzo drouin. Jj out there in and drew a guarded three JJ will guard probably the two in Lonzo. It'll be a ball hawk on the one he's very similar to Ricky Rubio as well who I love the great motor and he can really defend them in really defend on the ball so that's not crazy to have out there and you'll have a little bit of poise. You have a ball mover. You'll have shooter so you have this great combination so I think New Orleans is going to be fun one to watch I think they're GONNA have they're gonNA play fast. I think Zion's going to really take advantage of certain mismatches when he's out there. They're going to be fun to watch. Can they get over the hump. I don't know will they be a good road team. I don't know I think they'll be fun at home. I think traveled super live because they're really excited about this team. I just don't go if they have enough in the western conference which is an absolute peace while speaking of the Pelicans in one of the reasons that they are probably one of the most exciting young teams in the League League is you know Zion who was the prohibitive favorite for rookie of the year the guy that wants to talk about the debate that we've had on the show about what his expectations Harper's career that rick girl join us in a a little bit back me up on that he has to be a big time prime time star potential. MVP candidate to live up to the hype. Did you see this story about heat so so there's this new thing in the NBA. We're like they're like remeasuring guys right and it's without without shoes so guys. Heights are actually way lower than a lot of people don't know Donovan Mitchell went for like six three. He's he's only about six one and a half now. There's got J. Berea who knows he's under six feet which I don't think anybody was surprised if he was probably listed at like six one six two but Zairian officially now six foot six GAL. This is a guy who you know we people have talked about him potentially playing center. I think he's probably GONNA play power forward but he's he's really versatile guy but but just being sixty six six really matter preside I mean we know how athletic he is. We know all the things you could do on the core. We know his wingspan height something. That's kind of overrated because I think really when evaluators alligators are kind of looking at things they do look at wingspan maybe more than high as far as defensive capabilities and do you think being six foot six is GonNa Hinder Zion and really any way in his NBA career no because I think he's like dream on dream on his six six but it's seven four wingspan so yeah like I would love for them to actually measure the wingspan wingspan is well and a standing reaches. Well like all those things come into play because when a guy says hey he's only six foot six you could say yeah but he what what we use in our world like mom be plus ten a it's rare to find guy to replace team. we have a guy who's going to be on the show and a little bit like perk perk not doc tall but he is. I seven six across so he might be. I want to ask them. I think Purkis six eight seven six wingspan and that makes a big big difference in your almost better having a long wingspan and being shorter if you had to pick one. You don't WanNa be seven foot with short arms because if you're if you're a shorter long arms you still have the reach you could still defend but you have a lower center of gravity so I don't think it'll affects we'll find out like the the rest of the. NBA is a lot smaller when when these official heights come out. I'd be interested to see what a guy like Blake Griffin really is. What Yeah Fifty six seven is he? You know maybe he is six six. I think Blake Griffin is probably six seven. Maybe he's he's up to six eight but that's not that big of a difference when you when when you factor in a guys wingspan yeah you know another one. That's interesting is like Kevin. Durant is everyone's like Oh you know. We've never seen a seven footer that can shoot like this Kevin durant seven feet tall. I mean I would eat six nine. I would think is fair. I six ten Mil Na Kevin Durant when these I don't know if you'll get measured but we're I would think Kevin Durant is is minimum sixteen with shoes off. Minimum really is like yeah when he's out there. He looks way talk everybody else out there because he's so skinny Scott. What's to what's what was your? Did you have a positive wingspan. What was your wingspan to us to all right? So you're up there. I remember hearing I remember very good. It's not great. I remember but I remember hearing like J. J. Radical he's talked about how he has a negative wingspan which is kind of but he always was sort of attributed that to maybe that's one of the reasons that he was able to be such a great shooter but but most guys in the league like if you have a negative wins wingspan probably not a great thing because you know you obviously want to be able to be as the big you cannot have a a defense a switch and things like that but I got your plus plus thirteen plus to plus and across but I have a high scanning channing reach. It's like nine two nine three so I'm fine straight up and down not that why I don't have huge shoulder so sometimes when you get those it was wingspan you guys massive shoulders and then they have long arms and that's like a dream on like that Kendrick Perkins. It's kind of built like that. I have long arms. I just have narrow shoulder so not necessarily long this way but long standing reaches pretty long well that goes well for you because you'll be able to dunk well into your fifty. s then if you only have to jump what like seven inches against what do I know because you have to get all the way up but I can't do every every year on my birthday. I tried to play pick up and try to dunk on my birthday. They just just played pick up the other day and I don't but it yeah I WANNA make sure like I'm thinking when I'm sixty and I would love to dunk when I'm seventy. Yes that would be awesome that Magin you like at the at the local. YMCA comes obviously you're tall people like X. Mba Guy but like he comes in. It's like sixty years old. He's he's just Dunkin on dude bad ass thing I think you can do as an older dude is to be like Yep. This is my it's not donkey. It's not dunking on dudes. It's getting a break difference on how how long did it been since I really pounced on somebody. It's been a while like you have to. You'd be really athletic to dunk on somebody. You can't just be okay. You gotta be like I would have to dunk on a guy. I have to be upwards of like ten and six ten eight to want to throw down on a guy because if he jumped he clearly knows he can get above the rim so that's that's. That's a different animal right there. I I'm not sure I could dunk on anybody to be honest with you. Speaking of dunking on people did you see a will move on in our rapid-fire sort of quick stories here juicy. Rj Barrett said he was asked who which player in the NBA He'd most wanted dunk on and I think just to please Knicks fans. He said porzingus which I mean porzingus is no joke. Domain porzingas is a great defensive player Great rim-protector like he's not kind of guy that I think I'd want to be putting out there that I want to go at because I feel like for zinc as if he's back in unhealthy 'cause he looks like Drago now. He's Jackson's Ben basically a year and a half off of not playing basketball. He's GonNa be fired up. Get back out there. I don't know I don't know if I'm Jay Baer. That's a smart move saying I want to Duncan Porzingas Zingers why you're picking now did he picked porzingis because he's trying to appease the knick fan but didn't porzingas lead the NBA in blocks is two seasons ago whether he number one on the way so I would think that you're going to go after the best shocker the NBA. I I would have picked Jaanus or Lebron for sure. That's like instant but but yeah I'm thinking he's just trying to appease nicknames but once again that's not an easy thing to do. PORZINGAS has unbelievable unbelievable timing saint and yeah. He is seven foot three like let's get it. Let's get understand well. We'll we'll see how big PORZINGUS is 'cause. We're going to get the official metro. Maybe he's maybe seven one. He's out there. He looks like a monster no question about it. Let's move on last story here. Before we go ric Bucher who's GONNA join us in a couple of minutes but D'Amato Rosen scall- spurs. He's got one year left on his contract. He there apparently renegotiated an extension here that might get done before the season starts he the rumors is he wants a Max. You know he's going to be a entering as early thirties. This guy that obviously was traded away from Toronto and Toronto on Wednesday winning a title without him with Kawai and you know I kind of look at this and go. I this'll weird crossroad for me. If I'm the spurs because you know I like some of their younger guards Ozzy Salani Walker Deontay Murray they've got they've got good guys at the young guys at the Guard position and directions one of those guys that I've always sort of been confused about Scout Gal he. He's not a three point shooter. He's good in the mid range. He's a decent playmaker. He's a consistent all star and he's he's. He's no scrub like let's not I'm not sitting there saying you describe it always really good player but is he somebody that I would want to commit to for four or five your Max contract into his mid thirties. I don't know if I'm ready to do that because I don't think with him as your number one or number two player you're really competing for a championship anytime soon. Even greatest the spurs are so I wonder is this sort of like a transitional national period for the Spurs where they should go with some of the younger guys. Maybe get them more playing time to open up some pattern for the future. I'm just not sure what they should do it to rose in all right so just to be clear right I don't. I don't want to comment on something that can't happen so he can't sign a four year or five year extension right he could only assigned because he's not supermax eligible so he can only sign a three year extension so let me ask you like I want you to ask the same question knowing. It's going to be three years one hundred million so he'll have this year three more afterwards now. Does it change your opinion on the Rose in knowing knowing that you know Lani Walker you might like him. He's not ready to John Murray just coming off. ACL You're going to need a guy to pass the torch and you don't want him to hit free agency so once again now. Do you change your opinion on him. If you say three years one hundred million for the Marta Rosa will the four th the fourth year would be the the X. The year he has next year and then the extension kicks in right so it would still be a four it still would be four years from now so I don't think it does scale. I don't because I look at at this and I go. I kind of know what their ceiling is with with with D'Amato Rosen as potentially their best player alongside lamarcus Aldridge and I. I don't think that's really good enough so I wonder it's a it's a hard decision when to know like when we break up this thing. When do we go young because I think I think from a fan perspective like fans always think Oh yeah break this thing up reset tank getting the lottery and then just retool retool this thing and that's it? That's easier said than done. Many teams spent a decade in the lottery trying to figure that out. you know the the the kings have been one of those teams. The magic have been one of those teams so it's not as easy Z. as you can as you could say or that people might think it is so I I'm not I'm I'm taking was the grain of salt but I do believe I would have to think long and hard about whether or not I'd want to be kind of just an average team for the next four years. Yes so I disagreed so are you okay with Chris Paul on okay see or you think okay see needs to US assets to get rid of him or trade him and see if they can get for something for him because I big believer. I'm a big believer in veteran guys who have done it before teaching young guys who aren't ready. I just I believe in that. I believe young guys I look at it. The Marta rose in the work that he puts in and his leadership and what he's accomplished push including the money that he's made right not just winning for a lot of guys. Sometimes guys want to like learn how they can be a businessman like the Marta rose and make the money that the market Rosa they did. I believe that there's this transition period and maybe you think let's just let him play his one year out and if we lose them then we'll go a different direction. I happen to think having him around for four more years would be the exact way I wanNA use him and if Lani Walker develops in the John Murray develops what their situation on the market soldiers. I know they kind of like him but he I I feel like he's more in that category of he doesn't really fit today's mold and big men but they are committed to him as well so yeah if since they are they WANNA be relevant they wanna make the playoffs. They WanNa want to teach young guys. I would have no problem giving him three years one hundred million dollars well. Let's bring our radio DOT com. NBA Insider RIC Bucher on this conversation plus. We've got it. We've got to play the sound yesterday of perk talking about Lebron and his motivation for Rick Cause I know Rick was very much. You guys two days ago completely tag team me on this Lebron Situation Asian whether or not he's motivated for this season so I wanna play in that Kendrick Perkins Sound. We'll do that next. He's Brian Scaloppini. I'm Steve Cerruti. This Gal Pal Radio Dot Com sports digital network guy who joins US was gonNA join us throughout the entire season that it's Rick Euchre our MBA radio DOT COM NBA insider rick what's going on man just living the dream brother falls hit here in northern California so it's a little chilly in the morning. It's like forty five fifty fifty s yeah yeah. That's no report this morning. Oh No it's in the car. We'll see you got to wait waited on inside car. That's that's when you know your life is so hard rick your life and so I want to start with this rick we obviously got into do it a little bit on Wednesday and it was all in good fun about Lebron sort of motivation. we ask Kendrick Perkins who we had on yesterday. We're GONNA have on a little bit later in the show about that and per had had this to say about whether or not winning still the bronze pry highest on his priority list. Let's let's go for more humane abroad. Actually I'll ticks with them when I tweeted out amount of top ten players and I had Janas at number one because I had to show respect 'cause he won. MVP his team was had the best record in the league. They will the better off it. They had a best offense of better offensively bet they had the best offense opens best defense in the League Lashin so I'd take Lebron said that's the only reason I had the rank you number two and you know what. He told me. He said in due time I will reclaim US MA thrown all right so we're tied up to you. Don't know how that how does that answer the question of the shop job space jam two million dollar mild blaze pizza. I don't know if that has anything to do with me Rick. We're talking about but you know all right. Let's let's let's amuse Cerruti here. Go ahead. The floor is actually from where I am. I couldn't hear with per capita say so I have no idea what case he was making for for or Lebron being on your on. I assumed some revenge tour is here so I will I'll paraphrase it basically paraphrase yeah so basically he said that he texted Lebron because perk made eight a list that was top ten players in the NBA right now he had Janas at one in the Bronx to and the brought to them saying hey like why am I number. Two and you know perks basically like Oh. I gotTA gotTa give respect the honesty is the MVP the league and Lebron responded back to him saying I will reclaim my throne this year. Okay is this on the same lines as he's going to activate for the playoffs last year. I'm just asking a question he act act and then they went one one eight nine right. I think they wanted night wasn't a great run Eurostar uh-huh. I've never heard anybody label how hard he played hide well now. It's zero dark thirty time okay. I'm going to activate a little earlier than I walk wab activate. Would've you transporter no it's fair and if he takes issue with the idea that Jaanus is a better player than he is or being listed as one. I fully understand that and let's put it in context like to say that he doesn't care about winning meaning anymore. I'm not GONNA say that. Does He. WanNa win. Does he want to go to the playoffs as you want to chase another championship absolutely he does. I'm not questioning that but it's how badly and has he put in the work. Does he understand that. At this stage of his career he has to be all in in in order to get it done that Lebron going eighty percent or Lebron deciding when he's going to play hard neither the Lakers nor Lebron at this stage I believe are capable of reaching that fulfilling expectations unless he's all into into scouse point like okay so perk is going to give us his top ten list of players in the league will scallon. I could give you the top ten and list of things that Lebron's trying to get done here this in the last six months and winning a championship is somewhere on the list list but it ain't the only thing on the list and that in itself makes it difficult to win a championship ring. We normally list let me let me counter because I know this is what people will say well last year. He was twenty eight eight eight. So can you help me with this because I'm not asking you oh. I'm actually looking for a better response for me. When people say last year he was twenty eight eight and eight and I go did you watch the Games? Yeah watches oxy's effort defensively to wookey. You say when people say twenty eight eight eight well if you have the ball in your hands as much as Lebron has and you're surrounded by the group that you had which everybody's deferring to him I mean Lebron is still good enough. He's going to get numbers but are they winning winning numbers. When is he getting them and to your point like a my point going into last season was if Lebron really really wants to win with this group he has enough guys who can score and provide you offense? He needs to put all his effort at the defensive then because that's where they're short and that's where he could really set the tempo for everybody thought he needed to be. The Kobe was with the redeem team when Kobe Kobe are. They're going to be enough balls to go round. Kobe's like don't worry about me. I'm going to put it in at the defensive end. That's where I'm going to set the tone. I'M GONNA be diving for balls. I'm want to be locking guys down. I've felt that if that's Laurent was really about it last year that that's where he would put his focus but look it is a testament estimate how good and versatile Lebron is that he can put up those kind of numbers but are they winning numbers. There are any number of Guy Kevin Kevin love look at the numbers that he was putting up in Minnesota. You could point those out. Did they. Sniff the play offs never so don't come at me with individual numbers hours and say look out grady is I'm like are they winning numbers. That's the only thing that matters to me well. That's maybe the reason that he talked about. You know taking a backseat. Anthony Davis Anthony Davis is going to run the offense and the Robinson kind of go through rams who knows and I think you know we can spend literally in next two hours on this and if you want to listen the back go check out. Wednesday's spend the rest of our lifetimes debating everything and anything hairs or not so let's move on to this. This was something that you said on Wednesday that I that was an interesting little nugget because I had asked you if you if I asked you if you thought that the honest contract story would be a story throughout the season you said no and you said you're hearing rumblings or you believe that he's going to stay in Milwaukee. So what can you tell us about Janas future well essentially it's it's having knowing him from the time that he came into the league and his connection with Milwaukee it is everything that he has said about where his focuses and it's really the history of of international players in in the in the NBA and you just heard it from Luca Danni onstage asking Luca Danni. He's like in his second second year and they're saying you know dirk spent his entire career. How do you feel about Dallas? I I want to replicate kate that you look at every international player especially someone like Jaanus who was not you know is not was not doc drafted to be what he is now and they're not about. I need to go to some major market they are they're in they love the fact act there in the NBA and they they come from outside of the US and they have a NBA team. That's willing to make them star and build around them and is grateful that they are there and so just from everything that I've heard talking to people in Milwaukee talking to ownership in walkie talking talking to people around the league it there are when whenever you hear any honest rumor it's about teams that WanNa go after him. You don't hear a peep about Yoenis looking around and seeing what might be available Anthony Davis right now when you know I mentioned that he's not fully committed to the Lakers. Chrissy basically said the same thing. He's like what about free agency. What's going well? You know what I just let me get the next year and ardent heard last summer that that his dad and people around him and he himself are looking at markets and the New York still intrigues them. The possibility of it doesn't mean that he won't stay with the Lakers doesn't mean that this won't be a success but he's not like got to the Lakers. I'm with Lebron done. Sign me up. This is where I'm staying. There are indications indications that come out whether it's Damian Lillard with Portland whether it's Anthony Davis the rumblings get out there when a guy is looking looking around and seeing what's out there and and wants to know what his options are k. d. all last year we knew he was he was looking around if not already out the door I just haven't heard a single thing coming from the or Milwaukee side that would lead me to believe that he's got any other plan than staying in Milwaukee and trying to win a championship there and I would feel like at this point. If there was we would have heard it from somewhere. I heard plenty of teams want to go after him that he's on their list but that's a different thing. Play Devil's advocate with me. I mean what disastrous thing Could Happen Ping this year where he won't sign the SUPERMAX A let's say they they really fall apart they eh they make the playoffs. They don't get out of the first round. They don't make the playoffs I mean I think something catastrophic. They fire Mike wooten holes like something catastrophic would have have to happen and let's be honest. Milwaukee is going to they are going to be observing and in touch with Jaanus every every step of the way to make sure that they don't do any of those things whatever it is if they had to go to the wall if they hit the trade their next next four future first round picks. If this team's going sideways to go get more talent to make it happen they would make it happen because the number one thing is they need to lock up your honest not that the Compo- and they know that because you just don't get it's like Oklahoma City with Katie and and Russ and they were luck enough to draft and and get guys that were willing to stay there. That's the exception rather than the rule and so they know what they have and and they know they can't afford to lose it because there's not going to be another Janas coming along anytime soon and so they're going to do everything they can to to make that happen and again you know so much it is from from him. It's just it's really fascinates me with the international guys like they're not worried about the team or the market that they're in. They're grateful to be here and especially if an NBA team is saying we want to build around you and I wonder how much of that has to do with the approach over in Europe that that's really foreign to them like international international teams don't anoint guy and then say it's about the team and it's about the coach and it's about the system. This is a brand new thing for them now. That's a really good point. I want you make rick and just selfishly. I want him. I I would like to see things work out in Milwaukee because I think it's a good thing for the League if stars like that. Don't you know whenever their contract is up. Go away away or go to New York go to one of these big markets. Would you agree with that like. Do you think like you think some of these small a small market. NBA owners kind of lose their minds. If you honest actually lap into the last drop rob saying hey how do we possibly keep our guys in our markets so there's two things one. Would they lose their minds one. Would they be upset. Yes they would be upset. Is it bad for the leak or that. They would leave and go to major markets. No it's not bad for the league. It's great for the League having being Lebron in. LA rather than Cleveland is good for the League having in La rather than Toronto is good for the League. I know people don't WanNa hear that and this is what I'm really curious about this year is this year. We've got parody right. We don't have a super team. Clippers might be the closest closest thing to it but they're not really proven so I look at the east and the West and I think there's there's as much parody this year as there's ever been. I want to see where the numbers go. I Wanna I know where the ratings and the attendance goes because historically when there's been a stalking horse when there's been a super team you get the You you get some some fans some some hardcore basketball fans. I'm tired of Cleveland in the warriors. It's the warriors and it's Fa- you know I'm not gonNA pay attention. We know what the numbers say otherwise the general number say you get more of a mainstream audience when you have that super team that everybody is interested. Are they going to get it done. Who's going to and knock them off now? The one caveat is that you have two very good teams potentially great teams in La in a big market and I want to see how that that skews the numbers but by and large. I'm not sold that this parody is good for the League. The League traditionally has been far more successful when there's a great eighteen that everybody's gunning for. Did you see James Harden last night. You think he'd better offensively this year than he wasn't. A past scouts out so hard to tell from an exhibition game and an exhibition game where the clippers weren't at full at full force. I will say I just marvel at he's shooting from twenty six twenty seven feet and and jab step off the dribble and he makes it look so easy he makes shot looks so freaking easy and so because he makes makes that look easy now guys have to crowd him and now he's getting into the paint and he's GonNa get bumped. He's going to get to the free throw line. It's I don't know if he's he's added anything. I don't know if it's any if he's any better. The real question is however good. He is. Let's say he is. Can you sustain. Ain't that for one hundred plus games. That's the real question playing that way. I still believe that you have to find a way to get easy buckets. If you're going to average twenty eight thirty points then you need to get not just from the free throw line. You need to get six to eight every game mm-hmm. That's just somebody else created it and you get an easy bucket and I just don't see that over the over the course of the season everything everything hardened gets is as impressive as hell but there's also a lot of work that goes into it and I just don't know I I have. I'm skeptical that that can be sustained all the way to a championship inch. One thing that really stood out yesterday is so you remember when the Broncos went to Miami at the very beginning. It was a D. Wade team team Lebron's team. It was like a happened for about maybe twenty games you know. Maybe it's sixteen. Maybe twenty five it is as clear as day that James Harden is the the best player on that team which I think is gonNA help Russell Westbrook. I think he's going to have different ways that he could impact the game and then we'll have his few moments commits where he could go back to be in old school Russell Westbrook. Let me do what I do out there but at the end of the day he's going to know and I think it's important that players know I don't I think Westbrook ever accepted durant as the better player. I think it's important that he recognizes harden is the man in harden is the best player whether that changes the game a little bit as you go along or it's my turn your turn. You always have to understand. I hope I hope Westbrook does because I'm actually I'm rooting for Houston to be better pair up in the air that I if if hardened to if I'm sorry if Westbrook it except that I think I think you should be a lot better than I previously thought I. I don't think he's going to have a problem doing that. I thought he did that last year with Paul George and Oklahoma City. It's why I Paul George was an MVP candidate. My question is can westbrook be effective that way and in in deferring way to like still be aggressive in his way but get somebody else going and be the orchestrator because I've always believed leave that the reason he was aggressive because he just he was impatient. He was like look. I can always get to the cup so if you're not going to go if you're not gonNA get done. I'm going to go do it right but last last year I saw him trying to defer and trying to like combine his aggression with somebody else and and and he struggled like he struggled to shoot effectively he struggled to always make the right decision and now I'm in this quandary as a Russell Westbrook guy. Maybe he's just he's not built to be that way. Maybe he doesn't have that in his bag and you know we'll see but last year I think he tried I to be that guy I think he tried to defer. I think he tried to be the second guy and and it didn't work and so we'll see if it's different with James I'm with you rick. I'm a I'm a Westberg. I've just always I've always been an apologist for him but I just love the way I love with the Tennessee that he plays with and I truly believe that he wants to win. I just don't think he knows how do sometimes and he gets in his own way but but I'll say this I mean last year they were until the Paul George Injury. They were going to be an interesting play-off to you. I'm not saying they were title contender by any means but they weren't. They were better than at the beginning into the middle of the season than they were at the end of the season. I think a lot of that had to do with Paul George shoulder injury so I I am interested to sort of see I. I do believe that you know this is a sort of you know put up shut up kind of thing like can he proved to to the rest of the League and change the narrative about who Russell Westbrook is in this season with the with the rockets and I think both he and James Harden are have been approved that season and they have a lot to sort of gain by both working with each other and finding that balance together well first of all. We just say Cerruti that you're just a really nice guy like you're kind of an apologist for everybody like there was a there was a uh-huh coming last half full like you're pouring full for everybody the waiter the want that your your water glass is never never never half empty. It's always the second somebody takes a SIP. You're filling up again so let's get that no no just the Ron Ron Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook like this guy each sprinting over there but you know players Donovan Mitchell. He'd got nothing for or you say oh. Is that right. No no no that you okay I now you're putting words I love Donovan Mitchell but all right how about let's then risk Galvao Kyle Kuzma. He dumps his water water on the on the floor. You know now we're just making people here are let me do this record show. You let me show you the other side. It's thirty on the West Good. Here's the problem. Do you say that Westbrook was better last year. May people were killing him now. He will not he was. I thought he was great. I thought he was great. I know his numbers were all areas. Were not as good. He did average triple double. I thought for him to take a back seat. Jorge showed a lot of maturity. I me too well. I thought it was good for the team but you would think that like his efficiency would get better being able to lean on and play off of Paul George. He's didn't happen yeah and he became sour all the stuff with the fan interaction and stuff like that and I know that the one guy in Utah that was over but the way he likes scolded the kid and the guy in Denver it was like I'm GonNa do this sacrifice on the core but I'm not going to be happy about it any see he mike was happy playing basketball at all last year thanked he was happier when he was doing his thing and didn't have to worry about getting anybody else involved. Even though the minute forgetting Paul George Involved Rick. Let me show the other side of studio here because now I want to ask you about Democracy Rosen okay because D'Amato wait a minute wait a minute. You can't use third person on yourself. It's too early. This show earned myself too early to installs he'd already third person. You're acting like hey you know what six months from now to be good but right now no no no. It's too early. No those set that timeline. Thank you let let me point this out. Then Okay Damore Rosen wants a contract extension. There's talk about him potentially getting it. Before the season starts. He wants potentially potentially a Max deal. That's another three years four years really under contract I e the I don't know I believe this. I should probably think twice about this. I'm not sure sure I paid Marta rose and for a couple of reasons one I think you know clearly I think his his style of play and the fact that he's not a three point shooter limits how good your team could be how great great your team could be even how even with Spurs system that is truly great and can make anybody look really good. I don't know if he's can elevate you to a championship contender plus. I think they have a lot of good young guards awards that are kind of coming up and they're a little bit of a transition period here. So what's what do you think about the spurs I mean first and foremost you'd think it gets done and would you. If you're the Spurs. Give him the Max ax and commit to into the future like a Max like six to three year. Just the manager in your yeah yeah. It's like James Harden extension three years hundred Cathy. I have to look at how how how it lines up with when they have to start paying the younger guys but let's be honest. There's only one guy at this stage that I'm sold on and that's Derek White and I don't even know that you're are GonNa have to pay him the Max but John Murray the the the the jury is without question is still outline Walker. I liked what I saw on summer league but I need to see more before I'm worried about. Can I keep can I keep him so in in that context when I'm in San Antonio and I look at what are my possibilities of getting another free agent and I'm coming off of the Colli Leonard Debacle where like like a guy who wants to be there I'm going to like I want to reward him. There's some intangibles there because you're in the San Antonio Market. I don't see it as the worst thing in the world is if it's if it's a three year extension and it lines up with where my other guys are in and my window of what I'm I'm trying to accomplish with this particular core. I'm actually okay with it. It's not my money but it's not as if I look at it and I say well. That's GonNa Hamstring them in some huge huge way when it comes to free agency this just that's not how that's not how the San Antonio Spurs were built so I think there would be a lot of goodwill created and honestly I feel as if the way Dhamar has committed himself to the Spurs. I'm okay with rewarding that I'm not gonNA look at. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA equate his contract with his stats and say he's not that. I think there are some other intangibles that he brings that if I'm the San Antonio Spurs I'm okay with paying you mean Rick Disagree on anything CERRUTI. I'm trying to find out what what did we disagree on so far. We like the same old. I don't know we had a big one. We had a big hairy beginning. which was what was it? You thought it was crazy. He I thought it was upset. Serena Zion Zion it. was I on Yes or no you don't. You don't believe that you think no no hold on hold on let you don't believe that you believe that. The people have created creevy expectations but I'm on. I don't care what you think. Other people think I care what you think and you know that's not. What Ziying on ceiling is you know that he's impact will player so you don't think pressure from other people are going to come into play but I don't care about that so I think well? We're aligned. The only thing that we're different on is like I don't think it matters if like some fan boy thinks Zion should could average thirty and twenty no but there's a it's not just a fan boy. It's not just some isolated case and the the question is if Zion Liane won three championships was defensive player of the year would would he would that be a successful career for him and the reality is no oh it would not as six-figure would that is not through on but what about Rick I don't care about what Rick Bucur. Thanks if you if you went three championships in a defensive player of the year Rick Bugler thanks what I I will. That's an amazing career for anybody to accomplish that and if you're draymond green and your Second Round Pick but Zion as the number one pick and here's the question defensive player of the year and what's his role on that team he won three championships ships urban was his role. was He best quarter third best player. That's that's not going to be enough not as the number one pick if he's if he's the first may be the second depending on who the first is then. I say Okay Yeah. Zion Zion Zion lived up to forget that the oversized billing the expectations for him. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to me that people have made such a big deal about him like he's the next coming and I don't take anything away from the kid. I feel the same way with Janas compo. jaanus supposed to run rush. Take Greeson Challenge for freaking World Cup Championship on what free complaint do not watch international basketball. It's not an athletic game. It's not one guy it's all about system and team and basketball football. Iq and those are the things right now we're Yaas isn't an MVP and so there's just sometimes we're I know the sound like the grumpy man on his porch. Get off my lawn and stop you know stop throwing these crazy pronouncements on my nba landscape escape but the fact of the matter is like we we have analytics and we have all this stuff that we're supposed to be smarter about the game and I hear things that we're stupider we say more stupid things now today about the NBA than we ever did like what what the hell's happening. Can we get some. Can we get somebody somebody like running the show who goes no you don't get the talk shut up. We don't need to hear that. Zion is going to be the next Lebron James. You don't get the like commute that button. Can we probably people feel like this. They WanNa do that with me but the reality is times I need it but this this ain't one of them you know what that coincides with your coincides with twitter and speaking of twitter you guys have been warmed. Okay because Kendrick Perkins just tweeted both you guys can't wait for the season to start the King James on a mission and locked in Scown Rick. You've been warned okay so just get perks putting you on blast. I just WanNa let you right there. So you better watch your back but I can't win this argument argument because if they are like seventy and they lose in the second round he averaged thirty eight and a people are gonNA be like C average thirty eight but if I bring up like in that Memphis game in the middle of February why didn't you did you close out on Bruno Kubota Karlo and he left him wide open Bockel Omega three are- He grandstanded Seabass and I'm sitting there taking no Lebron. That guy is your guy. There's no way you're looking around. You're the smartest player in the history of the game. Why are you looking around at Kyle? Kuzma grandstanding him. That was your man I back lose out on Tobacco Wide Open Great Reverend thirty minute thirty to go in the game in the fourth. The core of broaddus decided to close all right guys. We gotta go with your Rick Rick. Thanks so much for hopping on his always. 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Point Guard Rankings 2019-20

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Point Guard Rankings 2019-20

"Finish out the week here with point. Guard rankings as we look forward to doing the top ten players in the NBA. Next week had to get this one done I and this one I think it's going to be pretty straightforward. It's really most of these guys. Are The engines of your offense? That is their role. You don't have as much specialization. Among Point Guards I think once you get down you know maybe into the teens than you can start to say okay. What's more valuable a guy who can run your offense at a decent level or someone who can fit in. Shoot play defense. Maybe do a little ball handling next to another ball dominant. Start another position which of those has more value. That becomes an interesting question but at the top. We're talking about the guys who are going to have the ball. All the time generally bring the ball up and they're going to control things for you. Generally they're going to be smaller. Yeah a lot of this to me is determined by whether they guard point guards is turning. Who is a point guard? I mean do you WanNa go on some rant about primary ball handler point guard and all that or do we have. We had enough of those. I think we've had enough of those but there there is a there is a point there though that I will make separate from that. Which is that if your Point Guard. Sized player cannot run an offense. Then you need somebody else to do. And they're absolutely our players around the league. Dow James Harden Lebron James Ben Simmons who primarily guard other positions who who can run off. I wouldn't I wouldn't think of Benjamin's actually being able to run an offense personally but I mean. Yeah maybe if you have enough shooting around and maybe there's a conception where that would go and so but basically the idea that is if you can't do that then to me. That's a pretty significant. There's a parallel here. A little bit with the centers. They can't defend where if you can't do it. Somebody else is GONNA have to do it in. There aren't as many players at other sizes at other positions that can and so it's hard to make it to a to a truly elite level without being able to be the you know the primary engine of a successful offense and and also. I think you can make that. You talked about like the specializations there. I also think there's an argument that versatility matters a little bit less because these players. If you're good enough you build your offense around them so as long as there's something that you do really well. It doesn't matter if you could run this system or that system as long as you can do what you do well because that's just the way it works and you brought up the offense defense thing. I think one of one of the kind of big picture elements that surprised me was once in the top end. It's it's offense I but once you get down into more the backup level. I was shocked. At how many of those guys to me were were better defenders than offensive players. And I think that's just kind of WHO's coming into the league that those guys can stick a little bit but there were a lot more. You know Alex crusoes and whatnot. Yeah and I think another distinction that I'd make to here. Is You know your avery? Bradley Carson Edwards Langston Galway. Some of those guys are Kinda point-guard-size they make guard point guards but to qualify as a point guard here. I think you do at least be capable of pushing the ball up in transition running pick and roll here and there is at least taking on secondary ball handling duties to really count as a point guard. We're because again what we're looking at is what position would you play on most teams? What is your natural position? And so I think there are a few that are going to be on the borderline here. You know like a Lonzo ball is kinda there but you know he's a really good pass. Rate passing is another big part of this as well so some ability to pass the ball pushed the ball and transition run a pick and roll at least get to the basket. A little bit in the half. Grail gotTa have some of that to me to really you know George Hill would be another one. Who is on the borderline here? Patrick Beverley but all those guys at least have some ability to handle it and you know they may play off the ball but more in the half court but they still have that ability. They played point guard at the lower levels of that sort of thing to other elements. One we bring it up every podcast butts important. The criteria here is who would you want under team if we imagine that a regular season eighty two game regular season started today and then had a playoffs at the end of it. So and generally that Injuries injuries that are non. Permanent Non Degenerative. Those are treated as he'll so John Wall you know it's what we think John Wall will be when he's this version of one hundred percent while was actually one of the hardest guys for me square and then another thing is this won't be as relevant in the top tiers but once you get out of that then to me. Versatility started to matter more. Are you somebody that could play next to James Harden type guy or something else. Because then you can build these multi card system. Something like what? Oklahoma City is doing right now and then being able to defend multiple positions in particular becomes more valuable. So somebody like Shea is a good example there or you. Could you could draw. Dirk white is an interesting example too and those guys can can help more but the most important thing in many ways respects is Katya run enough. It's the deepest position I think that it is even though I got. I started getting a little queasy in my sixteen to twenty five tier but there were a lot of like capable players. I thought that was encouraging. Just how many you know guys that you can throw your rotation you good about that and then the high end was stronger here. I think almost any position like the top fifteen to top seven or top eight. Those are great. And then the top fifteen you like. They're all guys that would be pretty happy fouls on my tape. Yeah I think the other thing too is we always say You know there's not that many great point guards out there. There's not that many quality backups. But I did get down to probably about fifty here Yup. In the ranking in terms of players at least thought were like quality backups. The problem is just that some of these are concentrated on. You know there's three or four of them on one team and so I see a team like the hawks at the start of this year having absolutely nothing at backup point guard. You know you've got teams like the Pacers for example where TJ McConnell. Aaron holiday and Malcolm Brandon all three of them on the same team so early or Oklahoma City. Were they close game with three of three players that are in my top fifty exactly exactly Or I mean Cleveland Starts. Two point guards basically Elizabeth who both of whom are not in my top fifty or one of whom is called texted us. Yeah Yeah I was GONNA. I was wondering where you're gonNA end up with. That'll be interesting here I will take a little break and we'll get into okay this. This was a little hard because he basically hasn't played all year. But I still have to your one number one by himself steph curry. I had number one. I had him in tier one but I did not have him by himself. Dan Willard Lillard there as well as struggled with that but I ultimately went with curry and stuff. I mean maybe it is just a little bit of that residual have how great his January was. It was January right now February. What are those months? He was completely ridiculous. I think January and curry though I think the argument in favor of it is that you know. His last full season was phenomenal and the injury that he had was a broken bone. I mean we we still need the still queasiness with the nerve damage but that those are injuries that generally give you less fear that especially what obviously it's important for shooting and all that but it's going to affect his mobility or the way he navigates screens or anything like that. So I think there was an argument for it. I just thought Lord has been has been really has been great enough to justify it an. Yeah I read it was. It was a close call. That was one of the harder decisions on my entire board. So I'm interested in what tipped it for you because I'm assuming you were on the borderline to well. South Curry had one of the greatest playoff series of all time against Lillard Blazers. Less than a year ago. That was that was one that came to mind and Lillard was not able to have that kind of an impact and lure did have a really awesome playoff series of his own against. Okay see earlier but then really dropped off against Denver and the words. He's still an extremely dangerous player. He's capable of having these incredibly hot months but the reality is that Lillard most of what he's doing is still just at the point of attack and there are ways to deal with them a little bit more you can trap them and get the bottom of his hands out. You know he's ever played on a team like the words but what maybe what sealed for me was just seeing stuff in his first game back the only one that we saw in before things were shut down against a really good defense playing with a bunch of dudes he'd never played with and he's still just completely unlocked. The Golden State Warriors Offense and he was getting double teamed up top pick and Rolls. He would come off a screen. Two guys would go to him guys and cut to the basket for a dunk. It just the fear that he creates. And there's no reason to believe that at his best he can't be about as good as it turned thirty two but the all time greats hold onto their value generally a little bit longer. The big issue of course is availability. Lillard has been one of the more durable players recent groin issues aside curry as not been so much now the handing was a little bit more of a free country but he missed time with a groin last year. You know he's probably more of a to play sixty or sixty five games per season going forward but for be as I've talked about it with some of the other positions. He is the one who's going to provide the most championships at it. Like I think he has proven that he can be the best player on championship team. I think he played at that level last year in the playoffs. Despite the fact that they lost and Damian Lillard just hasn't gotten to that level yet he hasn't the same town around him of course but that still to me. I just want that high end upside believed curry provides that even if you want to say. Hey you're going to play a regular season. Who'd rather have I probably would rather have Damian Lillard but if I'm trying to win a championship. GimMe Steph curry until further notice. I entered so that was the showroom agree. And that's but that's why I had them in the same tier as for me. If it's like well you could conceivably pick the other guy in the regular season and the argument actually even though I had curry in in the same here. Is that both of these guys. Want healthy are good enough to get you into the playoffs. And so there's this of weird switch that happens when players we talked about this in the small forward rankings that once you get to that level then established playoff performance. Actually matters more. Because you're going to be there anyways than WHO's more valuable there but for me. Lillard I. I think I gave a little bit more credence to the fact that he hasn't played as as perfect as situation for him. As curry has at various moments. I mean it's now. Been a longtime their careers Ben in Kerr system and the hall of fame surrounding talend. Cj is definitely very good but the overall system hasn't been there in Portland was a great offense really good one last year will on the floor. I don't have the stats in front of me. But I remember when they had their normal complement of player this year. They're very good too. And there's GonNa stop anybody but yeah okay so so now one more thing there too. I think curry to me is a little bit more portable in terms of playing with other great players and learned. They pull shoot the ball. So is that that big to merit of Louis but Lillard even like the activity oddball and stuff like the the opportunity stuff so a little bit better defensively a little bit more intelligence development. I think they're both fantastic leaders so that that's something that is really a wash between them so and I did. I'm giving woods respected. I'm putting him in a tier two by himself. The rest of these okay. That's what I was GONNA ask. You is because I also didn't feel comfortable putting Lillard with anyone else period so it was like so that was. That was another decision that I made and I mean there's nothing gets okay so we have so that means squared up too. I mean other than the differentiator same to people in the same order I. This is the hardest separation that I had to make was tear was what will be my tier two. What was your three in terms of number and quality and for those rendered. We didn't say this the outset if players within the same tier that means generally. You're splitting hairs. It's a reasonable. You think there's a reasonable argument to place them in a different order. So don't focus as much on. That is who is in the tier but this year was hard for me certainly ranking it ranking within. This was impossible. I thought there was a pretty clear delineation of five five guys who should be in this group. I also have five now. We'll see if the same five Chris Paul's number three There's such an amalgam of pluses and minuses for all these players Trae young number four Kimball Walker number five number six and Kyrie Irving number seven. That was my my group here. We have one. We do have one discrepancy. And it's it's Russell Westbrook I. I know we're going to have probably have a log Russell Westbrook conversation over the course of this lowery in this year as well. I just love Kyle lowry. Yes that makes sense. I'm a he was at the top of my neck's group but I also think just with the age factor that concern me concerned with Paul to think Paul's been a higher level than lowry And Yeah I I just. I'm not sure that he he's like a great like Third Banana What's part of part of what I really like about lowery it this year and it's a it's a little bit of a weird a little bit of a weird thing to value for this type of player? But I like that. With his competitiveness defensively and that he could you battle guys different positions that he could fit in more places that you can. You can do those sorts of things with him that you really couldn't with some of the other guys. I mean you can't with Chris Paul. He's he's a lot of what's making some of those okay. See Crabs work and even though we make the The the tears the whole thing about Oh. The order doesn't matter it does hurt my heart a little bit that you have Chris. Paul hires than I do. I have fourth third third carry. I well how well he's he he's missed. What is this three the last five years? He's had a season ending injury. But I mean this is the first year that like that Chris. Paul has been abundantly healthy in a little while I mean he's been healthier than Kyrie in other years but for me the the difference with Kyrie is that is like the idea assuming availability is reasonable and it is availability does matter. Of course it's part of why had Lillard into your one instead of separate But once you're there I think he's ability to get his shot is so incredibly valuable and that that's what makes him special of this group. Is that when thrown into the cauldron? I have more faith in him to deliver than any of the other guys there. I have less faith in him to get you there almost everybody in this group. I have more faith in in In Chris Paul I would say Irving had a terrible playoffs last year. He did but I mean and and I think he playing with Lebron. Yeah you look great plain with Lebron because Lebron was the one doing all the distributing and he could just focus on shooting whenever he got the ball But I mean the two things to why had carry the bottom of this is and I mean his stats. Were is good as ever this year individually for sure maybe he was on pace for his best year but number one the health. I mean I do. There's a fifty percent chance that he's not gonNA finish the season. Whatever the play for you in the playoffs when he said Essentially Twenty fifteen twenty eighteen twenty twenty so three of the last six years essentially he just he not capable of playing for the playoffs. I mean that that matters and then when we talk about portability like not the easiest guy to play with like he wanted out of Cleveland he didn't play with Lebron who seems like pretty much everyone else wants to play with and then he wanted out of Boston as well. Now we see Kenny. Atkinson get fired in presumably in part because he wasn't Kyrie's choice or Kyrie wanted someone else I mean. It seems like a lot of places you send him. He's just GonNa like totally screw up your locker room like I. You know I'm lower on that that anybody but it's also I mean it's not like Chris. Paul has been a locker room darling. A lot of his places trae young might be having similar problems right now. We have more of a track record with Kyri. I think that's I think that's reasonable. He's also on better teams. Chris Paul is like really competitive like Kyrie. No one really seems to even like understanding like he's he's like a Lotta Times. He's like not even rational. Seems like yeah? I can't factor all that kind of stuff. Not necessarily you could see where the proof is kind of putting it trips of coaches and getting in getting out in trades and all that but in terms like Oh yeah he's a he's a tough guy to get you know to me. Then you're getting into like reporting. Well what about like just his comments in the media? That are completely insane. I that doesn't that doesn't affect the Chris Chris. Paul is the head of the Players Union. Like okay yeah. Chris could be a little prickly because like really wants to win. The KYRIE's like orders of magnitude different. Y- never saw. I never said I never said they weren't different but it's just it seems to be like you're putting like a far heavier demerit on him than trae young when we're hearing some similar things and who knows. His coach might not be long for the hawks. Either and trae young. It's been in. The legal outlet has accomplished a lot less than Kyrie irving has and could trae. Also I mean that's a controversial includes I mean maybe we should. We should talk about trae here. I haven't been this year as well but yeah we should well worth. Yeah this is yeah. This is one where it's basically made this tier of solid all star players. You know that was kind of what I what I came up with I mean really you own Kemba to me has like the lowest ceiling of this group. Also I agree with that but he probably has the highest intangibles and he can shoot it really well off the the pick and roll which is big so he can cause some problems for a lot of schemes he. Maybe he's the second best defense we of this group though. That is not a lot of stuff. That's right because you have you. Have you have a different? I was GONNA say I have Lowery Chris Paul here but you don't so yeah But but tree I mean the biggest thing to me is just especially thinking of starting a season right now. He's the biggest candidate of this group to get better A. I do think that he is like a hiker to person who wants to win. And yet he's played a ball dominant style. That is he was also the only person on his team who could dribble for much of this season so that that happens sometimes and I think you know his offense impact the way he impacts other teams schemes. Yo is probably top five in the NBA in terms of like how much teams up to change up their defense to account for him so And I think you could be an offensive engine for a lot of teams in the playoffs. Going into bless you tell me that Kyrie is healthy for sure. Okay probably rather have cried. Read than than trae young at this point On most teams. But I just like it's gotten to the point with Kyrie where I just. There's just too many question marks. I labeled this tear the him alone one and the reason. Why is because I did that after I finish everything because everybody below this here? I didn't feel comfortable that if you just threw them on a team they were. GonNa have a good offense and to me. That's the reason why trae young is in. This here is that I think if you put the rest of it you're saying MBA caliber players at the other four positions. And you say trae young is the point guard. I'm going to bet they're gonNA have a pretty good offense and that is incredibly important in the league and that gets you on way. He has very specific flaws. Flaws that may never be fixed defences atrocious and probably always will be some form of bad. It could maybe get to less bad but still bat and trae young like being if the shot ever goes in a little bit last. That's going to be a big problem. But he's a wonderful passer. Great in the open court can and the fact that he has done as as he has with this kind of surrounding talent number. He hasn't even played a minute with Klinka pelley and Capellas. Not This you know to use your were panacea of everything but it will help a lot and I think that trae you to me. The context helps him because he hasn't had that sort of circumstance. Now you can also argue that the lack of a sample you know that maybe maybe a rough year to could end up changing EPA generally to me young point guards who do well in a tough situation continued to do well and that's why you know somebody who have next year down like I'm confident that he will move up here. I just need more of a sample on it. And that's jumper ant but let's talk about the the difference of opinion. I think the let's take. We're GONNA move to Russell Westbrook because I was okay. Yeah let's That's a good good pregnant pause here okay. Let me. I'll give the argument for. Why westbrook is here. I think he in the situation that he's been in. These last. Three months is just playing at a unbelievable of Transition now I agree with you use. Put It on the average semen. No you're probably not going to have an amazing offense. But he does singlehandedly. Make you a good transition team. If you look at Houston's pace from last year this year was like the slowest in the league and now it's one of the fastest in the League and basically just because of him so that that is something that he does by himself that really gives you a Lotta juice And I just think he was physically starting to look really really good He is capable of playing a switching system. Even if he's not the greatest defender I'd still rather have him than say trae. Young or Kyrie Irving or Damian. Lillard Ami Lillard is probably a question. Mark there too depends what kind of system but And I think he just looked awesome getting to the rim like he's he's able to use the spacing that Houston was providing him to get to the basket and score on people over and over again and he's averaging three point game on really good efficiency so that is the argument for him. Go ahead and make the argument against. He is among the least plug and play players in the entire league the EU. You can't so yes. He can thrive in a very specific circumstance. And congratulations. That's great and that there is value to that. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA argue against it and and Houston was able to cultivate that but think about what they had to do in order to make that happen and most teams what will let let me push back on that a little bit because there are plenty of centers you could find who can shoot it as well as PJ Tucker. Pj Tucker is who? Who Can? I mean the center. This plenty of senators. Who can do that in? Like beyond the floor defensively and like. I mean with Russell Westbrook you WANNA play switching system like the the constraints because you don't want him to reliably sending at the point of attack defensively. So I mean. He's not the reason that they have this system. That's a couple of other guys but he's significantly better in that than anything else so okay. Now you want to center that spaces the four and can switch and does it. Totally sucked offensively. I don't think there are that many and it has to be able to shoot because if you can't shoot then it's a big problem but like all you needed someone who can shoot. Okay I think and also remember to the rockets for a lot of this year. Didn't have much shooting outside of Quin cappella either So you're getting at the POINT GUARD POSITION. And that's so then you have to you. Have you're looking for shooting like you need better shooters? I like the two three four. It's not just like you need good shooters and Westbrook. He can. He can be that engine transition. That's great and there's they're selling. It's just that when you look at to me when you look at the players that we just talked about like Kemba Walker trae even to the extent Chris. Paul you don't have to move heaven and earth to make those guys succeed and with Russell Westbrook at this point. This isn't Russell Westbrook three years ago or two years ago. Where key could be the system and you do what okay see deer? Russell won the MVP. Where okay you can play a bunch of defensive guys? The Room pensively he's going to be the usage usage sponge and take all that up that Russell Westbrook doesn't exist anymore and I know he couldn't do that. Yeah he can play next to James Harden. He can do now. I just I mean we even saw playing with a MVP caliber player. Early in this year was good. Yeah well I think a lot of that was health related to that was a factor to be sure so. Let me let me ask you this. Let's say he had played at the level that he played out the last two months all season. Would that have changed your your feelings. On things. He'd be cousy closer but I still don't think I'd have in there because it takes. It takes a lot to get into this top group and he's not as reliable and you talk about the white okay. How's it going to work at the higher levels? I mean Russell Westbrook yet maybe in this Houston system. It'll work in the playoffs but again remember. We're run. He doesn't get to play on his perfect system. If we're putting in the postseason his limitations are GonNA come to bear. That's what happens. Okay well let me ask you this. Let's let's just go through the teams here and let's see like how many teams do you think like he wouldn't work on right like in? Most teams have enough shooting at the other positions and they have a five. Who can't let's? Let's do it this way. Undergo through the guys in the tier that I have money. And let's see let's see where you have so not in the tier that you do because even now because I think those are pretty clear I mean. Is this not a useful exercise? It'd be good because I I want to see like but is is it really true that he doesn't fit anywhere right. Let me get a sample of teams. Okay Okay so Boston. Let's say you replaced Walker with him. I don't I don't think it works nearly as well. So Thomas is a good enough like ties to me is about the same as PJ talk then. He's he's taking possessions away. He's not he's taking in the half court he's taking possessions away from other guys. I think it makes it harder on Jason Tatum. I I think I think your best argument here is. It's he him being out. There makes life harder on your other perimeter creators. I that I buy more than the idea of what you have to have like that. It's so hard to find those. Those are well. That's that's like two parts of the same argument. I mean it's hard to fit it because you can't fight play because it makes life harder and you have to get better players. Do you see those different arguments than sure. Yeah I mean I do a little bit because it was. The thought was like Oh. It's only working because like Houston. Has this crazy system. And I think that's a Daniel Thais Lower Wayne dead bin or at or like John Collins. If you were playing center like throw them on the jazz jazz good team you replace whoever you want to of their garbage tape with Russell Westbrook. I don't think I don't think it makes them. He's he's a bust of Westbrook's obviously a good player but it it just it becomes it becomes a challenge and all the other every the jazz even headed. I think he'd be fine on the job. Okay 'cause 'cause they have shooting at all these other positions like they're one of the best spot up shooting teams. They don't have it at the five. Okay all right. They still have like. So you're GonNa pick and roll but then then Donovan Mitchell getting mersal so if you have to use Russell Westbrook in the primary action then that means Donovan Mitchell. Then you're not using on Mitchell to his best potential like you're choosing by putting Russell Westbrook. In these circumstances you're choosing to take possessions away from other guys who who. I would say are better uses of that than Russell Westbrook. Because it's the same argument you've made all these times against Ben Simmons that if you that when he doesn't have it it's a much bigger issue and so if he's not a part of the Russell Westbrook can score thirty points a game if you put them in the right situation we all know that about Bentsen's but but you get what I'm saying. Is that you you with teams. That have other talent. Your your sidelining that talent to give it to Russell Westbrook. And so that can he can be. He'd be that guy on a certain group teams absolutely but like I brought jazz like you. Would that work on the PELICANS? I don't think it would yeah. Obviously he would help some of the bottom teams in the League for sure. That's that's not part of this necessarily but like Denver once we get into the where this sort of stuff really starts to matter outside of the. Oh yeah he can help the Bulls a lot. Yeah absolutely of course. Yeah no I mean as you go through it okay so like Minnesota. He would really help them. Sure for sure that they need a guy like teams that need a guy like him would benefit Orlando sure even though their flaws he would be. He would give them juice. That they don't have yeah Phoenix. I think booker would be would it? Would it would be harder for booker but yet in the in the Internet. I think he would help I have. I have less Brooklyn above Ricky Rubio. So that's not that's not a big surprise. Yeah so so I mean it's a I do see your point there are he. He is the toughest but then I also think that you may be underrating. The magnitude of what he's able to accomplish in the right system maybe You know so. This is a good size. One of the more the livelier discussions we've had in a while And believe me if he were still playing the way that he was at the start of the year. I would have been right there with you. I would have had him like fifteen or something so I just like the run that he had. I just was giving that a lot of respect. I mean that that I thought was extremely impressive. So but one more quick thing like let's say we had done these rankings at the end of last playoffs so latte last year. You know they they they made. They lost the first round of Portland. So how much are you putting on for reference? Last year Russell Westbrook fifty percent shooting. He took seven point. Three hundred possessions made twenty nine percent of them. Okay so you got knocked out in the first round. He wasn't the best player in his own team. Where where where would you because because to me? If you're saying I get we were saying at the beginning of the euro you would but would he abandon this tier then because then you're on to two months into no. I know I know what you're saying but this is what I'm pushing. I think it's even more recently than that because I think that you wouldn't have had him near where you do right now at the end of last season's done it's just enough but he also had to have knee surgery at the end of last year. Too I mean I really thought like one of the things too is just a visual component. That I thought he'd really lost explosion and he was really struggling to finish at the rim and I thought that that has been something that's looked much much better and and I do like the transition element I think. He takes something off the court for other players in the half court but he brings it back on for them in transition. Which I think you know doesn't completely alleviate that All right we probably push into inside on this but Yeah so you guys Let us say we ever hire or too low interested to To crowdsource this one I have number six in tier three. And what are you you have and then in the next group of next eleven okay So that close out this group for me and we we talked about. Larry I think his his plug and play ability. I think he does have an argument. But I also think that if you're really going to have a good offense he probably be your third score. He he he was the hardest for me to include in the Himalayan. Because I don't think he gets all the way there himself but the defensive value made it made it that he was more appropriate for me in this year than the one below. So that's why he ended up there. But Yeah I agree with you offensively. He's not in the same caliber as the other guys. So my to your four here was three guys. Okay low end. All-star I called it and it was kyle lowry Darren Fox and drew holiday. I thought those guys have just a little bit higher level of performance then the group below them that I considered high end starter. Which took me from eleven to sixteen How did you have a lowry And westbrook but Fox and holiday. Let's sit on them a little bit here. My next group was eight to fifteen. I kind of saw the same a little bit of the same idea that you did. But I originally actually had drew Holiday Inn tier of his of his own and then like That's a little bit. That's splitting hairs. A little bit too much so so so you're sure Kyle. Lowry is better than drew holly. I have lowry a little bit above him but especially considering a season that started now in. Lowery's age you feel comfortable with lowery being significantly better than drew all day. It's it's close. That was one of the harder distinctions that I made. I actually had the other way I and then switched it back but the but withdrew. I'm a little bit less confident. Offensively like his defenses is great. I mean I. I've been a believer in him for a long time going back to La. I used to talk to him. About how defendant Steph Curry? Because he did such a good job on him but one of the most important things that a point guard does is. They are the engine for the offense and drew. Hasn't really he hasn't quite been that consistently over the course of his his tenure New Orleans and surrounding talent they all these injuries and everything else and so is he good enough to be like your second offense of option on a good offense you think second or third. I think it's questionable to me. I I was very disappointed in what he's done. Offensively the season particularly from a shooting standpoint He's bumped up a little bit lately is actually up to Thirty six percent from three. So so he's he's heated up some of late but overall fifty four percent true shooting in a career high is fifty seven percent basically has only been above the league average one season in his career which was seventeen eighteen and he's also the age twenty nine season. It's a I if I felt a little bit more comfortable with them either as a spot up shooter or as a pick and roll threat. I would've had higher because I am thirty eight last year and it just the offensive drop off is just a little concerning to me. Yeah it was concerning to me too. And so that's why can't why he ended up here for me than So what I'm interested in and I think it might just be me being a little late to the game. I had during Fox firmly in this year I had him twelfth but I so I think part of it might be for me right now is that I I was thinking I wasn't doing the whole like off. The season started right now because he has really. He's been good when he's been healthy this whole year but especially this last run before the Haggis. Yes since January first. Twenty two points a game fifty six percent true shooting pretty good. We saw what he could do in transition last year. That hasn't been as much the case this year but I think in the right system. He could just be a massive difference maker. What transition using. Here's another part of it and this is why considered moving him higher as a staff member. Herpin this a lot. Last year was Sacramento. That they had a below average half court. Offense Deer Fox was on the floor. And it's like that was that was disconcerting. This year seventy fifth percentile. Ninety seven five ninety seven five doesn't sound great but remember half court. Offense is a lot less efficient. So he also. That's also I just first shots. No no offense of retail right right. Yeah that's that's a separate separate categories including the glass filters it so that's getting that's getting there and so it wouldn't surprise me and this is maybe why should have put a modal higher when we do this exercise a year from now if I have Fox you know like maybe in the next year up or maybe there's a split tier kind of like what you did and that he's in that but I just again. I'm a little bit sometimes. I'm a little bit late with point guards. And he wasn't quite there yet so I just kept. I kept a minister year. Yeah and that's understandable. I I'm probably a little early on him. Just also wishes work consisted defensively. He's not bad. But I like some of the players in this group like drew bledsoe and Malcolm Brogdon well pregnancy consistent. But like those guys. I trust more on that under the four than I do with your Fox so you know it was it was. It was another thing that gave me a little bit of a pause. Yeah one concern for Fox. This year to three point percentage only thirty one percent and that's not fantastic. He has gotten his efficiency up to basically around the league average. I think he's taking incremental steps in this last couple of months or so and I don't think it's necessarily been like unsustainable that's got him there noting that overall three point percentage so I'm I think that the gains that he has made our sustainable Okay one more break here. And then we'll I mean we're not making a lot of progress. React to speed this up like forty minutes or we could split into a two parter who knows. Yeah that'll hey we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA rank them backup point guard honestly honestly probably could keep going be. Here's here's what's it well. Let's actually do that. Epic okay. So we're okay so okay so you had this. Is your eighth through ten correct suddenly. Have another eleven through sixteen yeah and I stopped really ranking them. This is kind of an order here. Jami rant number eleven. I actually think that in some ways he's been under utilized this year if you look at their clutch games and you see what he's been able to do down the end of that when they really are like okay. No now. We're going to it in his hands every single time when you look what he can do in an ISO as well when he even just going at his own man but then when they switched some big poor sap unto him he can blow by. Anybody can get a pretty good shot on anybody. A Luca touring the three point. Shot has come down a little bit. You know he's down now in the Mid Thirty S. After pretty hot start of the year the volume is not amazing But I do think you know. He's a good free throw shooter. He shoots those deep threesies shut him reasonably well in college. I you know I think he can get to the point where he at minimum can prevent the defense or just going under all the time entities just a magical player with the ball in his hands. I think he's going to take a massive step forward over the next year so and so that was a big part of this. I I think he can really be a engine of a solid offense now. They don't have a lot of shooting which is making his life a lot more difficult but I think especially considering your the the numbers for Memphis have been like. Oh He's driving them to so much success when he's on the floor like a lot of it's been their bench too. I mean I just love what I see from the guy like. I think he's just going to get a lot better. And if anything like his usage could be a lot higher. They haven't chosen to do that yet. I had thirteen so not too far off of where you had him. Who's a tight group? I almost wanted to try to get away with not ranking in this year but because it was I only had seven above this. It was like that that seems like it's cheating the listeners. But here's a really striking John Moran Stat. There are nine. Players are eight that had a usage rate over forty percent in in Clutch. You know ended up games played this year. Djalmir aunt had the highest true shooting percentage of any of those guys will and when you watch it too. It looks sustainable. Like teams are really grasping for straws. As far as like how to deal with it and they'll put on the ball they'll lay back there like the UC like while they don't have answers for this guy at the gains when he's running a high pick and roll with Jaren Jackson or whoever the center happens to be a or rebound Tunis. It's like oh. Wow like they're going to this time after time. We can't stop it like that's what really stood out the most about him and so I'd like to see more of that from them. Frankly I mean twenty six percent usage overall. Is You know it's high for a rookie point guard and consider the fact that he's been you know a well above average efficiency especially for a point guard this year that that's really impressive. But I think he could be doing even more. And that's a that's a big part of it and it's a yeah. I have at the top of this group. The rest of this group really. None of them are just high level engines. Some of them are more veteran. They're proven in the playoffs. I'm sure is going to make a ton of mistakes when he first gets into the playoffs. you know they're more reliable? Spacing options are better. Defensively all that. But I think that job when you're really talking about comparing this group like who's really going to drive efficient offense for his team. I think he's the only one capable of doing that. But because he hasn't done that at a high level yet and some of the other stuff just needs to run into form by virtue of like not being so an experience. That's why dropped him down into this group even though he's not really that similar to them yeah to me it's about overall overall utility and so for me to a couple of guys that are in this area that nearly as much as offensively but defensively they really bring a lot to table like blood so for me is in. This is in this year too and I don't trust in the play offs. I either with it but he can. He can make your system saying on the other end he can be a complementary piece to and like once we got below that that tear the Himalayas. Here for me. Your these are all imperfect players and so. That's you kind of have to wait. The what they do well versus what they don't do well and the what ended up being kind of like a weird commonality of this group was there was young guys. I really liked like deer and Fox and John Rent and then veterans that I was a little bit unsure on so like bledsoe and Brogden. Brogden is more. He still has to prove it a little bit more. I wish he'd been healthier this year. All that kind of stuff and Westbrook is indefinitely firmly in that camp but then the guy who was kind of bridges those two gaps and is in some ways. The hardest for me to rate of these types of players was Jamal. Murray Murray right in in this group two and three point shooting has taken a little bit of a step back this year after being in the thirty seven percent range the last couple years but he is shooting it very well for mid range forty eight percent. I wonder what it would look like for him. In a more open style of offense not playing with a relative non shooting power forward which he does most of the time here and or maybe just kind of stagnated in the a gunner and because he's the only perimeter shock creator that the nuggets have a lot of the time that he just kind of gets overrated because someone has to score the points for them. I I'm really of two minds where I thought his playoffs last year. He had some encouraging moment somewhere. He wasn't able to drive their offense quite enough. But so it's like are being asked to do too much here or are we and that if you were asked to do things differently or in a more wide open system that we think more of them or is it possible. We think lots of him. Because we're overrating him. Just because he scores a lot in the nuggets as their big perimeter score so something I thought was interesting I looked at the stats for three guys that I had. In this year that have a dominant force also on their team and I looked into how those teams do offensively with without that guy so bledsoe one four one eleven point four offensive rating without Janas Westbrook one. Twelve to without Harden joe-marie one ten five without Yokich. And there's a lot of noise involved in this in terms of WHO's on the Ford who was in everything with that but I thought that was. It was notable that there were that all of them. You know one ten one. Twelve isn't an amazing office but also it's also far from terrible and you know as a proxy for what would they do if it was more their show and in case we've obviously seen it before blood so it's been a little while and then in in drama we've never really seen it but I thought that was kind of I liked those? Were all similar because it made me feel better about having the same tyranny. Lifted up afterwards. Yeah Bledsoe I think on another team could be doing more as an offensive engineer. Also be doing worse. Know kind of like thought about Westbrook that idea of him being with our but I think bledsoe defensively is the best of this group. Marjorie might be the second best defensive point guard in the NBA behind drew holiday. And I might actually in terms of just guarding point guards. I might even rather have him than holiday because he just gets over screens so well and that really helps your system a lot. If you're playing a lay back system like the bucks largely due But yeah I mean he's going to have to play better in the playoffs. Shooting released not been encouraging this year more. Employers tear for me does not have a lot of high end playoff performers. I mean Westberg obviously has the best but the Brogden Brogden. His played wall in the play. I think that's a bright moments for the bucks last year. Yeah and I think like drugged into me. I'm surprised that he's this high. We ranked him among shooting guards last year but he showed more pick and roll ability. The three pointer as we suspected might has really gone down. He's in the low thirties but he's taking so many of them off the dribble now we're used to take most of them from spot up situations so that's not a huge surprise. He has shown so. Ability create in mid range has passing has been a lot better than this numbers and then and we also know that he's capable of moving into a lesser role. A on a good team. We've seen him do that in a recent vintage so that that's why I have him in this group he's got a lot of silly not a ton of weaknesses which is always nice. These are just a strong right handed driver off a close out so he could actually go up to. I should say it's only right but He can get to the basket he can play pick and roll. He does a lot of things. Maybe nothing at an elite level. But I mean we've seen him play a very high level in playoff series before I feel very comfortable with him in this group of anyone in this group that you haven't mentioned yet. Yeah One Guy Spencer did we. Yeah Yeah I. I had him here as well. I think. Defensively he competes reward especially when he's not the only guy and his team who can dribble his shooting. This year is troubling. But I don't think there's anything wrong with this shot. I think as much this year. Yeah he takes a lot of difficult off the dribble attempts. I thought that his he sheds a moment to the playoffs last year. He also it's ugly against what he was able to get to the basket of the I would like to see him in a different system. The Nets why. We haven't seen that yet. But I think these when you consider the lack of weapons around him that he's been able to drive the nets to reasonable performances. When he's been out there and then I did. Add One more player into this group. That was shave. You'll just Alexander. I had him at number. Fifteen dinwiddie number sixteen We also have seen as the main engine right as a pick and roll guard. Didn't have them here. But I I I respect that. I considered it as well. I think his shooting has taken a step forties also quite young. He's got a lot of length. Good physical potential one of the better defenders in this group and adding. He's going to continue to improve their as he gets stronger. He might have some switch ability. My concern with them is division and the ability to put pressure on the rim enforced double teams but he's also his ability to create shots from three point range in the mid range. I didn't see that coming for him at all as a prospect. I was really worried about his overall shooting ability and I no longer am. I think he's taken. He's done enough there where I I think he's another guy who can really become a part of this group that doesn't have a lot of weaknesses and he just he he doesn't make mistakes really just plays older than than his age is coaches just rave about him. So I think especially with the season starting today I would feel very comfortable with him in this group as a starting point guard and even on a playoff team. I think he can be pretty good. My my toughest omission in this group was not shea though he was a tough one too was Fred Vanfleet. Yes vanfleet has done. He's done a great job in Toronto this year. A lot more on the shoulders without without Kawhi Zehr and because all the injuries with that team had there were times when he had to do a lot more and friendly did a nice job of it and defensively. His his Tulio gets after it and we. We saw what he did against Steph curry in the playoffs last year. But I just I'm just not all the way there yet on him as an offensive player and again one of those guys who is a lot better in certain circumstances than others and I wonder what his free agencies going to hold not only in terms of what his contract value is but what kind of a situation we get to see him in next year very well could be another run in Toronto. And they'll be great I I will. We're is but the I'm not as confident that that would work as some of the other guys which is why I left him down here but I feel a little badly about it. Yeah his forty-three percent shooting from two. It's a problem is considering I mean. His absolute bulldog mentality defensively. His strength deep. Three point shooting. I mean we did see him get overwhelmed. A little bit physically in that billy series. Although how much of that was just okay. He missed shots and that one and then he made shots in the buck series. That's tough to say. But he's a a proven playoff performer. At this time definitely a winning player. I just need like a little bit more juice as a ball handler to get him up there. With the the rest of these players they go all of those and have shown just more ability to get to the basket and to create their own offense certainly band bleak unfit in and everything. But this but he's getting to the point where you talk about it. It's like okay. If easier point guard now you need someone else to be the main guy. You need a Siaca you need a lowery against as in your starting lineup whereas Spencer Dinwiddie. If he's your point guard you can have an average offense with him as your main pick and roll and I don't think you can do that within fleet But he was certainly at the top of my solid starters tear which Was a mere four players. Actually got a lot of tears this time. Yeah I ended up folding to cheers together but there is functionally. I could have just made this two different ones so one guy. I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it. 'cause you're you've been a little higher on his season. I have is my commonly. So He's in this group to me of the solid starters. It's tough to make him. The hamstring injury kept him out a while the transition to Utah. I mean I think he's he looks okay to me still. I liked to see if he had more reps. Way would look like still if you if you just ran in back of the role that he had in Memphis defensively undersized these slip some there to be sure but he still tries still another great. Vat great character guy. You know I mean if you if you just look at how. He's handled this difficult season in Utah. I think it's pretty clear that that's the case that he can fit into a lot of surgery. So yeah I had him in the the seventeenth twenty group. Ricky Rubio was also there as he would have been lower for me before this last year. And he's just been a massive difference maker for the sons on both ends and just all the bullshit that he does the taking charge on a guy rolling to the basket after a pick and roll. I mean all all that crap which I absolutely can't stand watching between him Lowrey and Chris Paul. I mean there's those guys make like five plays a game where you're shaking your head but I mean God what I would give to see Chris. Paul do a rip through move right now though Daddy I we're we're desperate straits I talked to you. I talked to you about this on G. Chat I started watching draft film today and I was just. I just started beaming because it was like. Oh my God I'm watching. Actual basketball was so exciting. Us All go through so. I ended up while we were having this conversation. I realized that I should put this here and I ended up. Just moving the guys that I was Shakira. Just moved them down. It doesn't make that much difference so my group here. Vanfleet Conley Shea Rubio. We've already discussed all those guys the other two players. I have here Patrick. Beverley wonderful at the rule that the clippers have been but if you had to ask him to run the offense. I think it'd be a big problem. He's just he hasn't had to be that guy for a while but I also don't think he can be and then the last guy is and I wondered whether I should have them here a tier below but I thought this was more appropriate. Our good friend de Ngelo Russell. Yes so you mentioned beverly. I've got him no more in the twenty five to thirty five range as a low end. Starter I think big time concerns about his ability to stay healthy tree and You know he he and George Hill. I had kind of in the same group of the sugar will will table that for a little bit here. So I had by solid starters here which is seventeen to twenty and then I had the limited to offense here which was twenty one through twenty four and that was the Ngelo Russell. Derrick rose dragoj and Devante Grim. Those those were graduates. Rosengren worth three guys. That moved out of my my solid starter. Tear into the one blood. So that's Kinda creepy. We're just minded on that. I guess I didn't think you'd have drivers that high. I thought I was the only one who still believed. Yeah I mean the fact that he's like still wearing the knee brace and he seems Kinda Limited to twenty five minutes game like he and rose to me are very similar injury. Risk Kinda guys but really who are capable of doing a lot for you as a backup Point Guard. Who on a lot of teams there? There they'd be the best point guard they'd close games but maybe they don't start at four you just because you're trying to keep their minutes down. You're like frantically looking for an upgrade and just realize you can't find one yeah yeah and Russell Devante Gra- Russell just so so bad defensively. And maybe he's going to break out in Minnesota and the others each and defensive limitations bothered me but not as much as the idea that he only does certain things offensively and that and that he doesn't that once you get him outside of that comfort zone the not only his efficiency as a scorer but more importantly like he's just not as effective as a creator he's not generating as much tension. He's not creating the separation that makes his passing saying and we saw some of that for Golden State this year. Fortunately one tomorrow with the challenges available to play I think that the wolves will mascow out of that but again most teams. Don't have Karl Anthony Towns Center. Yeah and Russell. Yoi gets up a crazy number of three pointers ten point seven per thirty six minutes and he shoots thirty seven percent autumn. I am by contrast Damian. Lillard always actually thirty nine percent is here. That's that's nasty But shoots more three point attempt for thirty six minutes Damian Lillard and little careers about the same but Lillard just completely bend your deepens and in a way that Russell doesn't because they just feel like they can contain Russell he doesn't force you really doubles. Maybe if he's just absolutely on fire you might start double teaming him at the point of attack but I thought it was telling that for all of his individual fireworks that he the warriors really. Weren't that much better. Offensively with him on the floor and they had nobody else on the team for a large lurch portion of the year and they still. Weren't that much better when they didn't they didn't have other people like good people backing him up. It's not a circumstance like the sometimes they're those teams that have bad. Starters decent backups and then ends up being the starters like RPM and all that stuff gets tanked because they're playing against better teams. The worst didn't have anybody on their bench but their offense was still find. Find an upset. And it's it's become very clear. What a negative defensive player he is he is. He is one of the river much crappy. We're getting about that like two years ago So yeah I I feel comfortable was Russell in this group and this is why. I don't feel comfortable with them Max Contract so I didn't mention though one other player in my tears six of Salt Stars and that was John Wall I I put him at number twenty. I had him in the next year but I thought about putting him here. That was that was one of those complicated to replace guys and I will say this is. I've gone back and looked at it. I probably have overall rated some of these injury absence guys too high like last year in the center rankings. I had demarcus cousins still like number nine. And he coincidentally coming off a torn Achilles and wall though I mean he was still pretty good before he got hurt He is hard to build around though. Because you can go under on him. Pick and roll. He doesn't shoot it very well and he's got a lot of time to work on his shooting. Maybe that'll be slightly better but he doesn't shoot it very well so he can't replay off. The ball is defensive really slipped in my hope would be especially after so long off that he could come back and get his knees right as well. I mean that was a the health risk is too high. Yeah I mean I guess I'm GonNa move him down actually into the low end starter group. I think they're just too many question marks about in both in terms of performance and health so I'm hopeful that he'll be better than this. I mean the reality is probably either. You know he's GonNa be Kevin Average point guard or you're just going to be like not playing or just like absolutely terrible like I'd see it's going to be probably one of those things rather than that you know he's GonNa be like the twenty fifth starting point guard in basketball and just the right at that number but I'll split the difference between those my next year I would I called. It was high end rotation fringe starter. So yeah it was players that you probably rather have coming off your bench but because we're talking twenty to thirty three a lot of them do end up. Starting we've already gotten to drug rose Graham. Those John Wall. We've already talked about in this year. Biologist run through the rest of. I don't think we spend as much time on this group ones. Oh Ball devante. Murray Seth Curry George Hill Derek. Whyte Jalen Brunson Chris. Done Patty Mills. Yes Seth Curry was weird. I think even last year he might just need to be moved to shooting. Guard at this point We probably should have done that but I thought it was the appropriate place to put him enough. So yeah no I mean but he just. I keep basically played shooting guard last year in Portland. I mean he was the point guard in terms like who he was guarding. And he was the point-guard-size guy out there but I need basically is played only shooting guard this year for the mavs I think he played pretty much shooting. Guard offensively for the Blazers last year. So I think we should probably move him but I I guess if we gotta rank them that I would have in that group as well So what I think is still very underrated. It's me as Patty Mills. Oh absolutely like to me. In Papas. Never started him for whatever reason I don't know if he thinks he can't play that many minutes or he just has always liked him coming off the bench and he's just comfortable with that but mills have you know he's been one of the few players who's been in the black in terms of net rating for the Spurs. This year shoots a crazy number of threes. When he's out there he's got a lot off ball ability he can shoot it off the pick and roll some as well he at least tries defensively starting to slip on that end as his physical tools of Wayne us. Never you know some great stud athletically but he just his movement an understanding of how to play he gives you so much offensive pace in the half court which I really like about him and certainly needs another pick and roll threat to play with but I think he's a really really good player. I do too and I. I hope that I mean we're a little bit later in his career. I I would love to see him get that opportunity. Also mentioned around here Dennis shooter should we talk about him a little bit? He was he was in the in this twenty four to thirty five group for me. I had a little bit below that and it while just for me the most important thing that a point I think that he he's put in the perfect situation. Okay see because the things that he doesn't have to do he doesn't have to run the offense the offense to spend a disaster when he has to do that and then he doesn't have to be like a real like it doesn't have to take on super tough defensive assignments. He's the third best defensive guard in that three man lineup. And so yeah. If you could guarantee me that he's going to get to be the number three. Be a score. Be like kind of that. That school off ball score and then defendant easy assignment than I'd move him higher but most teams don't have that luxury. Yeah and this is the first year that he really has been remotely effective by the on-off stuff and as you mentioned the that's occurred playing next to one and sometimes two point guards. They've been so effective and I think he's gotten better defensively. Yes but he's but he's still is you know he weighs about a buck eighty So yeah had down there. You had them kind of more like the Mid Thirty S. I stopped my tears. It's thirty four to fifty but like for me. I for example like we're going to perish shooter and Patty Mills like a to me. That's that's that's I'd rather have patty mills and and to me. That's it's not even that tough decision. Now you can make an argument like Schreuder versus Chris. Dun Yeah I mean there are many teams that I would prefer to have sugar on because Chris done is you know. He's such a huge defense positive in such a huge offensive negative. But the idea that you could. I like having a guy like Chris done on my team. Because then you not everything but you know to have somebody who just is a Tennessee. Tenacious Guard. Defensively is is. It's a valuable skill and I'm still not sold on his offense but he's still talented defensive player Dirk White. I wonder where where his game is going to go. I had high hopes for him. Especially after those couple strong games in last year's playoffs but he just never really put it all the way together for me this year so like Santoni had three guys at eleven players three of them. Yeah and white shooting at a little bit more. From Three. The season he's beneficient. The defense hasn't popped as much this year but it's for me. Just him as a creator. I think that's been the biggest thing is. Yeah he when he it's been his show. It has the spurs offense. Hasn't been great and there are a lot there. It's not like the surrounding towns amazing and some of those minutes but you know how Patty Mills is that a pretty good job and and it's not like they're talent is perfect in those minutes. Either you showing some growth as a pick and roll player. The that deserves to be acknowledged a lot of that. I think has been with unsustainable. Jump shooting off the dribble but yeah you know as a primary pick and roll threat. I don't know he's I could very easily see him. If he just takes incremental steps forward in his three point shooting and three point attempt rate and his ability to distribute off the dribble he could become a very valuable player and he could shoot up into the teens absolutely easily for me next year but he's also does age twenty five season. I'm not expecting massive leaps from him and eighteen percent usage. For A to be below average in usage. Most backup point guard is a little bit going to be a little bit higher than that if they're running things so yeah. I had him more in the solid. Backup group as of now. Maybe someone that I should move up But you know he's kind of like a weird hybrid putter. I'm not even sure that he he counts as a point guard. Jalen Brunson in this year. No I just had him down in the solid backup group. Forty eight runs Chicago. Blinker isn't yeah. Yeah Yeah I don't think I don't think you lose your car over being lower on Jalen Brunson than me. I earned my Chicago. Cred with the with the Double Dunk Story. That's that that is a legendary Chicago High School Basketball Story which I did actually tweet out. Proof of that two separate articles and nobody sent me the video of the reason okay. I'll look I'll look at some point in my life. You gotta just email a the. Ucla like sports and information. Yeah I probably should there. I mean they have time now. Yes ugly. Few other guys to talk about Marco Foltz. Yeah I haven't been my the next year down so you don't see him as as the starter. No Yeah it is funny with you. I haven't been the same tier with Alfred. Frightened and DJ. So it's kind of like the bajic ghosts of play cards past President Future. I would give faults a little bit more just based on how young years. I think he can push it pretty hard in. Which helps I think if they were a and defensively. I like it. He he en- Derek. Whyte have some similarities. Actually quite a little bit more at this point yet. What white is is a better shooter. Certainly I mean that. That's that's the question. I mean faults that will see me. This hiatus will will be good for him to continue to work on his jump. Shot and try to because I mean his form. He's like okay. I found somebody that I can shoot with the not embarrassed myself from three point range but I mean he still needs to do some a lot more work on that to to get it back to where it's actually it can be a weapon Let's see who else haven't we talked about? George Hill was in this. Low End started group. It was tough because I think he actually is more valuable on a per play basis than hate plays at a higher level than a lot of these guys were talking about and I mean that sixty seven percent shooting out enough if you heard that. That's pretty good this year but he's also thirty three twenty minutes a game. It's yeah it's it's tough to any did pick things up in the playoffs last year but then the year before that in Cleveland. He didn't do much but he's done this for long enough now. I'm starting to believe that again. He's still a quality player. We just had that weird lol about a year and a half and but the injuries could catch up to me at that toe issue grain issue last year so with all that. I think if he could do it for longer it'd be probably up in the in the low teens for me but that's just not the case right now Terry Rozier no. I didn't write them at all. I mean to me. He's still in the low end starter group. Oh I am not there. Well okay yeah as your primary pick and roll threat absolutely not but he shot it very well this year from three. Yeah but it's as a as a secondary as a secondary guy when I like I if you put him back on a playoff team. Let's say you you either started next to another threat at another position or you bring off the bench. -I can defend ICAN rebound. He's got pretty decent size needed to switch in a pinch. He has playoff experience and he can shoot it pretty well so I all that I realized that you know we think overpaid and no. He's he's miscast as the starting. Point Guard. He's not a good enough picking role player for that but and he's a limited finisher but I think playing next to the right kind of threat that he could be pretty effective still. You're talking about in the thirties. I would absolutely be totally happy to have him as like a third guard off the bench and I'll play off too. I think it'd be totally good for that. I'm one yet. We haven't we haven't done. I think I think the the the the WESTBROOK argument took it all out of united. Now you're just like you're doing our job. They don't think having a five minute argument about terrazas. They could use of my time as much as I as much as I don't value by right now but one guy I do want to discuss because he is starting right now for. Chicago's Thomas and I had outside of that twenty to thirty three group. Because I just don't think that he does enough of the positive elements and he's more of a complementary guy and so happy to have him in the rotation but not in that not in that group to me with the guys like George Hill and I ended up with Wall and all that the the hope was that he could increase three point volume and stay efficient. That hasn't happened only three point. Eight per thirty six minutes. He hasn't even really increase volume that much. Frankly and then down to thirty two percent where he'd been high thirties and even over forty percent a couple years in Washington I am. I think he really is best as a pick and roll player. When you've seen that at the international level I think he could be kind of like a Rubio light in some ways if he got the ball more but he's really been asked to play off the ball most of his career and as senior. That doesn't work that well for him What about Kobe white recently elevated into the into the starting lineup here he he could absolutely be in that twenty to thirty three group for me next year. I just didn't see quite enough yet so I had I had been like him in rotation but I just don't have him in the Sugar Vian. Yeah I haven't been the solid backup yet. I mean he's his distribution has gotten better and he's been scoring a lot but that's because deck Levin has been outed and he hasn't been shots. Yeah he hasn't been incredibly efficient I do think he competes defensively. So yeah if you WANNA look at his overall body of work. Fifty percent shooting usage in the twenty s the Mid twentieth that the damaging player. But I guess he's come on lately and certainly as your primary shock creator on the second unit. Yeah he's going to be a little bit less efficient but he at least can do it for you. Have a theory of what you're going to do. He's only nineteen so I over the next year or so we could see some big growth from him and I just I think just in terms of like the separation that he's able to create as quick release His transition game. I I like what I see. Just watching him as well as a reason to believe he's going to be better anybody else that really like you're fired up to talk about here or I should mention that I had to have called on sexton in in this Solid backup tier. I think that he he's a little bit miscast right now on the cavs because especially still will want him as a creator for other people but he has made real strides this year. I think that you know being here. Compared to where he was last year isn't meaningful step. No I agree. He's another guy who would probably be more cast a as you mentioned as a score off the bench last year. I went all the way down to Guys who would actually hurt most teams. I did not get that far and so last year. The the people are in that was sex in Schreuder. Who MOVED OUT OF THAT? Dennis Smith. Who is yes he would he would be the absolute last ranked point guard in the NBA. Right now. Rondo Rana's been slightly better than expected this year sometimes but I still dig. E E overall hurts the team. Elfriede Peyton I think moved out of that category Thomas Yummies name in the league anymore now. any actually had bryson unsustainable shooting and Emmanuel Moody. A actually got a little bit better too so it is. It is possible to improve. Here Buddhi was kind of. I know he's not playing now in Utah but I thought he actually was fine When he did play so I think this is. Are we good here? Do we have more to say? I'll just mention briefly a couple of people that I think fans care about I have in this solid back to your. I Have Alex crew. So here I have Kendrick Nunn here Alfred Pay Yeah none. None was an interesting one and also just a question of whether he's a point guard or shooting guard right but it just if you put a guy like that rotation. I think you're fine with it and I wouldn't necessarily want elevate them beyond that in most circumstances into that doesn't mean every situation is failure or anything like that. I mean he's doing well. None suitable for Miami but in the overall circumstance. He's about four. Yeah yeah got A in. The early thirties is about where I had him as. Well I DALEN RIGHT. I also had in in that group I think I've mentioned now. Ever we've mentioned at least everyone that I had in kind of that. Low End started group. Darius Carlin is just I mean he's definitely one of the would hurt. Most team is category and I do think that point guards just due to the nature of their position they if you have a bad one can do more damage to you than maybe any other position. I would agree with that. I mean if their hands a lot and so if they can't do what they're supposed to do and that's exactly Bread wanamaker I think he really benefits is a solid defensive. Point Guard but doesn't take enough. Threes doesn't really do much offensively but he has the benefit of playing next to all of the Celtics. Wing Ball handlers. And so I think you might be like. Hey He's a backup point guard. I'm like a good team but I think he's he's more limited then. That would suggest that tatum's doing a lot of the lifting and some of those lineups exactly Aaron holiday just not efficient enough yet has to take us up for his defense has gotten a little better cory. Joseph would have been in the solid backup group last year but he's just become a unacceptably bad offensively at this point and I think that's what else that I really wanted to talk a few others here but I don't need to. I don't think we need to go through all that Alex Crusoe I. I mentioned him with none. Yeah I'm actually fine. I'll go through the rest of the guys that have in this year. Just briefly Jeff teague had Chad to challenge a year. But it's still haven't been the rotation Reggie Jackson. Yeah that'll be an interesting one. J Augustine Michael Carter Williams Thais Jones Monty Morris and she and my last one kind of I've just been a believer Shabazz napier more than other people and plus I get to pronounce it more than me. I mean I. I definitely had him in the cell because you had mentioned himself I think on he's been bounced around a little bit too much. I thought that the warriors having to dump him in the in the hard cap -ness of the Diangelo Russel thing was actually like it actually did hurt them materially. But I mean I thought he helped out. The Wizards are going to be four today. Hope you guys enjoyed that one. Will I get you into the weekend? And we'll be back on Sunday night after him for mentioned that if you want something else to listen to this weekend I real- jam radio with Sanford any We did draft stuff. Not only kind of what's going on with the draft which was a fascinating conversation. Because it's such a weird circumstance but also we went through argument. Basically the best case scenario arguments for the top ten players on his mock draft. Yeah so did you find anyone who's going to be a starter. I've tried to sell people on the PODCAST. Nate we'll be back on Sunday. John Holliman I'll be back on Sunday as well. Our plan is to do a bracket of the worst teams of the decade facing off against one. Another the loser than advances to the next round so we're GONNA try and crown a worst team of the decade. That'll be interesting so looking for that John would be an excellent partner for that one and as always say safe out there and we'll y'all in a couple of days.

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Bonus WWST? | NBA x Oscars Edition

The Free Agents

19:32 min | 9 months ago

Bonus WWST? | NBA x Oscars Edition

"Quick question who wants Trivia to a special offers addition of the no dunks trivia show. Where the only thing you can win is bragging rights until the next time we do this? I'm Jason Doyle and I'm filling in for Jeez skeets who normally host this show. I'll also be fulfilling my usual scorekeeping duties. There is no way I'm not making this up. I should point out that this is an exhibition game so no no matter what happens no one will end up on the coveted leaderboard okay. Let's meet our contestants on. Who won some come true? Yeah that's right. We have three challengers going head to head today I up. He's at thirty nine year old podcast from Stratford Ontario representing venting his home and native land. Jd skeets skates says. Here you used to work on a garlic farm. What was that like smelly crates Eh? You had to wear the same clothes every day or you would have ruined your entire wardrobe. But there's actually a fun job when it was nice. It sounds awful to me nextstep step. He's a thirty five year old podcast from Lombard Illinois representing the home of the brave the United States of America. Trey Kerby trade it. It says here you've had a nice streak of not falling down the stairs lately. How do you do it? It's been four years and I just take it one step correct as you get points for that keep that streak alive last but not least. He's a forty three year old. podcast from Sunbury Victoria representing the land with golden golden soil and wealth for Toil Australia. Leila's it says here you fully embrace the capuchin lifestyle. What's it like beautiful refreshing tasty? Come along join us all of you. People know thank you. Let's get into today's Trivia if theme. It's pretty simple really. It's movies with the basketball twist the Oscars are coming up this weekend and longtime listener Troy Eisenberg pitched an NBA NBA Oscar Trivia game to us. Troy wrote all. The questions are about to hear today and they all have to do with the NBA and movies. I know all three of you have have extensive. NBA Knowledge but who knows the most and perhaps more importantly who knows the most about movies. We're about to find out let's get to the rules or keeping keeping a pretty simple. You all have buzzers in front of you. If you think you know the answer at any time hit your buzzer. If you get right you get one point. It'd be get it wrong. The other other contestants will have the opportunity to steal let's have a listen to your buzzer. So the people at home know who's who skeets ring your buzzer. They're good trae. Lee Winger. Ah weren't we have five categories to get through. So let's do this. The first category is best picture. All of the answers in this category will overlap between an NBA players name and a movie. That won best picture. Here is an example. Oh question you can buzz in if you think you know it. This player was inducted into the hall of fame. In two thousand thirteen and set the New Jersey Nets franchise record for scoring in his rookie season. All while working with a speech therapist to overcome stammer I know the mood. He was inducted to the Hall of fame in twenty thirteen and set. The New Jersey Nets franchise go ahead. Let's get some kids speech right. That's right their mind you're looking for the Bernard King's Spa. Aw Okay Okay Okay okay okay. Why also why the hell did I think Jason Kidd was checking this? This could be rough folks be rough. Okay okay here we go so that was a little trial the example we do not lose points. Who Don't lose points go against you only get one? Guess Okay so make it. Count Kids Oil Berto here we go here. We go number one. The world's greatest playwright and also a great rebounder needs his ideal woman and is inspired to write his try. Shakespeare in Kevin Love Nice. Very that's one goodness. I don't feel like this is going to be right and trays will. I think we're in trouble here. Service question number two. This swing man from Yukon has played with the thunder porn sites and now the pacers but but you might know him best as the serial killer who ate all silence of the Jeremy Lamps harass very very very good right I all right trey and Lee on the board skates he. This one's for you number three this musical proclaims when you're a warrior. You're a warrior all the way from your first cigarette to your last dying day. Perhaps inspired by this veterans veterans role in the two thousand seventeen chess oil. David West side story. Mary aw AW question number four. This tale told to a nurse I in flashbacks reveals the life of a man who fought as a pilot and World War Two was involved in an affair had his number two Jersey retired by the Denver Nuggets in Nineteen ninety-two leak the English patient but the Alex English patient Given that okay. Sure I'M NOT GONNA get any so I don't care you're going to be watching this. I thought I had it wrong. Actually went for Nice Mary. Good all right last question in this category number five this is a tale of the two thousand seventeen. NBA Defensive Player of the year and and three time NBA Champ traveling through the deep South. The draymond Green Mile Draymond Green Book in the first round. Good this I'm just going to go home. Honestly that's not GonNa all be now come on yet hat is. You've seen the most movies between me and Lian you recently. At least no no I use a couple of years ago yes but I. My game is just plummeted. I know I'm only do with. Nora's watch documentaries book crimes. That's I watch survivor. I watch a ton basketball and then that is it. I swear. I don't want to get another put Kathy. We could do any crime stories All right so after the first round trays in the lead three to Lee has to yup and skeet says zero but man skeets. You might might be okay with this next category. The next category is the films of Shaquille. O'Neal all right. This category is mostly multiple. We'll choice just pick the answer. You think is right all right all right here. We go first question which of these four films that features Shaquille O'Neal made eight the most money at the box office blue chips Kasim steel or uncle drew cling uncle drew. I'm recently was GONNA go blue chips. I'm glad to impress now that it would matter. I'll go through grossed forty two point five five million at the US box office blue chips. twenty-three Kazan eighteen steal one point seven. It was part of that one point seven I saw in the theater was good all right. Great I had never heard of it question to in the two thousand thirteen cinematic masterpiece. The smurfs to shack provides the voice for which smurfs giants Murph Earth. SMOOTHS Murph Sports Murph or break dance. Giants are incorrect. Aw Aw Great Dancing Smith yes. Do I have to answer options. So what did you say. I say. Giants Murphy passing. So it's between smooth sporty Beck One van. I'm GonNa go let me press the. Oh He's on the board. Pat Comeback starts now all right question three. What was shacks characters name in the film? grownups to officer flew Carl. The Barber. Big Crazy Joe or Shaquille O'Neal Skates Shaquille killanin incorrect. Who Lee office a flu? Correct very good. Yeah well I thought it was a trick question. I mean it felt like it's refreshing. Yes this is the last question in these Shaquille. O'Neal Neil category no choices for this one. Just come up with the answer. Shack has appeared in sixteen major motion pictures. And how many of these films films does he either play or voice himself trae nine. Yes the cool nine of sixteen shack not yet. He's sharing like shack at the free. Throw Line just throw it up. Mike can you name any of them pay. He played himself in Freddy got fingered. That's right lego movie men. Want what What's that Screams the scream series docu. Takeoff scary. Movie moved out for Good Burger. Jack and Jill and the House bunny and after sunset crazy all right next category after after that category though Lee and trey are tied up for a piece skeets has one still in this man. You're still there's many questions all right good I think so. A good movie quotes. This is the same. As the first category but player the player's name will overlap with the movie quote instead of the V movie title you'll be in Casablanca Humphrey bogart turns them. Here's looking at you Jason. Kidd in the shining while his main character slowly goes insane perhaps recalling how he went to Duke was drafted by the Spurs in Nineteen eighty-six and played for the seventy sixers and Pistons. He exclaims this elite. His Johnny Dawkins. I was GONNA say all Hayward Workman Nice Sin Three Gone With the wind. This is what the current head of basketball operations with the clippers and the head coach of the New Jersey Nets from two thousand four to two thousand ten states. When Scarlett? O'Hara asks him. Where should I go Lawrence Lawrence? Frankly my lawrence frankly scarlet. I don't give a damn Alex Lawrence. Frankly my dear. I don't give the last one in this category in citizen Kane. The movie concludes with Charles Foster Kane in saying this revealing that he named his childhood sled Trae. Derek Rosebud very nice seen in any of those movies by the way I heard. They're classics. I know troy saw the shining shining. One I've seen but there's one quote I know from movie. Yeah Yeah exactly. All right after that category TRAE has taken the leaned. Seven five one for skeets. I don't think you're still in. Maybe actually maybe yes. You're still in the little. I'm still in it. You're still in it okay. This one's a fun when the the team is the movie that's the category some NBA teams already have the name of a movie in either the nickname or the city here. We're taking people who worked on the movie and giving them positions on the team buzzing as soon as you think you know the answer. Okay all right. I one shooting guard Renee Zellweger. Point Guard Catherine's trae Chicago Bulls also also very very good already. Okay next one point guard Al Pacino. Power Forward Tom. SIZEMORE shooting guard Val kilmer small failure in Miami. Hey very good. A- well there are two parts to in there. Yeah all right next one. Small Forward Antonio Banderas Point Guard. Heard Tom Hanks shooting guard. Denzel Washington Philadelphia. Seventy six seven. Wait wait don't rest. I knew it after the second one was like what what why not these guys battle out here. That's what's go. This is great this battle last year. Last one in this category shooting guard Emory Cohen. Uh Point Guard. Donald gleason small forward Sur. Cher Ronin power forward Julie Walters and I don't know her Trey New York Knicks close. Close out no. I was going to say the sleepless in Seattle Supersonics. Lee Is there any questions Cities Clean Trae was very close. Brooklyn Glenn Nets Jackley Right. Oh wow you guys are tired. I feel a bit bad thing. You kind of I mean you. You gave me that. He thought you know. That's the game. Start coming when everybody gets eliminated. So Trey is at eight Lee. He is at eight skeets done. I think you're actually out of it. That's why I write the questions this way but still you still gonNA ruin it for somebody spoiler oiler. Okay here we go. The next category is tag lines. I'm GonNa give you the Tagline of a basketball movie and you're GonNa give me the name the movie go ahead of the rim. Try Right the suit your show and this last category here we go five questions are you guys are tied up. We can't even it's going to be area. He sits he stays he shoots he scores Airbud the next question. You're going to need this. Don't fall behind to. It'll go straight to your heart. Mother Komo it'll go straight to your heart. Don't go what many people consider after this there go ahead of white mankind. No trae they everybody. A lot of people say this is their favorite hoosiers. Saw Wow who train. The tagline tagline for weird makes sense for love and basketball definitely. You're right you're right maybe try got it wrong. Yeah Oh wow of all right number three putting the funk into the dunk trae semi pro. Wow ooh yeah. Let's just finish for sure. The father the son and the holy he got game and finally he always wanted it to be special but he never expected this like Mike. That's what I was GONNA say. You say one more time he he always wanted to be special but he never expected this. This is how is this basketball movie. I mean basketball diaries Here's definitely basketball in this movie. But you wouldn't wall nice. It'd be that one on Trade Seattle all right final score one Lee with eight and trae has thirteen gene. The big one three again. This is an exhibition game. So unfortunately you won't be going on that leaderboard but did you have fun. Goya so much for the main thing with again. Thank you so much to Troy Eisenberg. Who put all this together? He's been a fan of the show. Since the starters and a fan of yours skied since you took part art roasting will lead back in the old days of deadspin. You can follow troy on twitter and Instagram at Troy likes stuff jeff and thanks so much to our contestants and we'll see you next time on trivial.

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Jeremy Pargo's World Travels

Warriors Off-Court

14:59 min | 8 months ago

Jeremy Pargo's World Travels

"Expectations are sky high for the as this year especially with the Houston Cheating. Scandal potentially opening path for the as to win the division. I am Susan's lesser. You can follow along with all the as developments throughout the season on as plus you welcome to warriors awkward. I'm your host words beat writer. Connor Letourneau when I have a say in what we cover. We WanNa know what you WanNa hear. We WanNa make our podcast better at the chronicle. Who better than to tell us how to do that. Then you take a quick survey. Sf CHRONICLE DOT COM SLASH PODCAST survey. And if you complete it you'll be entered in a drawing for one of five one hundred dollar gift cards it short and we really WanNa know what you think that's SF chronicle dot com slash podcast survey on today's episode. Wears off court. I'm joined by Warriors Point Guard. Jeremy Pago who signed a ten day contract with Golden State when the team was rounding out its roster earlier this month after a chaotic trade party was not your typical player on a ten day. He's thirty three after. Making millions overseas is not worried about carving out a career in the NBA. Fresh off a stint with the Warriors G. League affiliate and Santa Cruz. Pago is just trying to enjoy the moment. He began with explaining how he got that call. I got the call I was on my way to Sioux Falls To play against the Miami Heat. We had a layover in. Denver as land in a phone call from our GM Rhine. Jimmy tell them I was I. I've Hey I'm an airport. I mean leaving Denver who followed and you say. I don't get on the site so yeah. Words decided to attend days. Who had to make sure I heard it come out of nowhere. Completely hundred was that they had to be pretty nice. You know surprise it was a a Schalke moment it was a oh what crap moment but no it was a good moment in itself Thursday afternoon. Yeah so did you literally fly back San Francisco? Denver flew back to San Francisco car. Jump in the car to Santa Cruz to get some. Some things came back and everything Benefit years since you've been in the NBA few is what what is a few is called like a tube like two years three or four years. So it's been seven has been more than a few in that time you you've had success overseas so kind of just take me through. What the decision to go overseas and how that that period was for Decision Overseas was I was I was offered a unique position to go to Russia in play file editor Messina. Who was the assistant for the Spurs? Who's back in Italy coaching right now? So I had opportunity to go do that. I chose to do that in you. Know in in hopes of better my career and you know better than my situation as a whole then You know turned into you know plan well in certain situations growing and growing over there so no opportunity opportunity. Just one no catalogs did you. Did you kind of think that you could play the rest of your career overseas or did you always going to have that it's to get back stateside for one grown up in America? You always have a niche to play here in the states. No sometimes you're close and you WANNA give exhaust every opportunity to be waiting. But as I didn't have any thoughts of like hey I want to go back to the NBA. My goal while playing that was a win rattling. Finish my career over. Here's what I gotTa do in terms of being overseas then I was okay with it and then it just got some point where they'd making a season longer overseas ten months seasons. Tendencies of America's really tough. So you know the early because on the yearly local yearly a locally so Is it even more of a grand the NBA? It is because I mean here. You have family and friends as an outlet. Now have a bad game. You have a family and friends out there. If you don't have fam- a family over there you you have teammates and a lot of those guys have family so absolutely can't babysit you. Did you have family with you? Ever no no kids earnings on so it could be. It could be tough. Been over there for ten months at a time. What went into the decision to come to a couple of years ago with come years ago? It was funny because my brother was coaching with the windy city bull connor in China season. Go back to the home and play in America yeah. My brother was coaching opportunity to play for him. He was an assistant coaches opportunity to play for him his opportunity to play in. Chicago and I hadn't seen the season five years time. Five opportunity to play in the states. Play brother play at home so I was on the phone. My brother and I was like Oh. Where are you guys in the draft thirteenth? So he's like. Yeah if we if we if we if you enter the draft right now we couldn't get you. I don't know if thirteen teams are going to pass up on the best. I got a call from from agent Reggie Brown and he was like no are you because he didn't even know I was thinking about doing. It was me my brother and he was really thinking about Geneva. Yeah it's chance to play awfully basketball anyway. I don't really care right now. He's like a war he's got the the the next spot to take anyone at the pool in and they. WanNa talk to you about it and that's when I got on the phone air miles and laid it out for men and he was really honest about things. I appreciate it that So I decided to do. It had a great time. The twelve game I played. I really enjoy pioneer. Planning to states. Haven't gone one of the best moments is we played in Memphis in Montevideo to come to the game which Played Two times in my career. Ever your your onto your soul your Australia. I'm pretty close macho yes. She's able to come to the game. Just the simple fact of seeing her. They're having fun on a core plan with great guys know. I was really happy to my then. I was offered a really big opportunity overseas after in that same season after the G. League finish was because you had a good season is because it's probably more so because they knew they needed a point guard. They wanted to point guard Went over there. We Actually WanNa Championship. And I was offered a pretty nice deal to go back so I went back. We're talking seven figures. Well it's pretty nice more than a little bit more than a little bit more than seven fifty more of my conversation with Jeremy Cargo. Right after the break. If you've been listening to San Francisco City insider you heard from chaser. Bodine months before his surprise election as the city's. Da you heard from the most loved librarian and the country and you heard from the man who wants to remake uni. I'm chronicle columnist. Heather Knight get to know the people who make San Francisco tick and see if you approve of their burrito choices on San Francisco City insider. Just open over there. That time was just a rough season and there was times where I prefer to be at home. Not Thinking of money just have been happy where you go and you say you were down. During that time. I dealt with injury and in a coach. The coach that I went to play four was fired Things really shake your way all the time. So was the injury Back back injure lower back injury into Japanese. Time and teamed indoors. Well we hope to through that period so imagine that lifestyle. Pretty isolating too right. I mean I mean you're just kind of Agar teammates in your face time for sure so you kind of filling that yeah and then You know with with the Staff. That's in place in. Santa Cruz is same staff outside air mouse. That was there when I was there a couple of years ago. It was really happy. I just I would Casey talk to Ryan about things. Talk to Mike Lee Coach Williams about things. Just see how things are going I. I told him I I asked him with. Be Interested in having me back this coming season and things fell into place and I was able to go. There knows about being happy. Were you happier. Yeah usually was it just being stay inside? That's that's that's a lot to do with it. But also the the. The group surrounded this entire organization junior. Nba is pretty unique. It's pretty pretty special. I've been to Santa Cruz. Got Bet and navigate thing they sell out every game especially special group Special Group of coaches especially with the guys all around not just fourteen to gain the situation. So what was that even on your radar when he went back to Santa Cruz of like trying to get a call. I really wasn't. It was kind of like a your age that maybe they would give that to the younger guys or was that one hundred percent. Yeah wasn't my thought at all. I mean I was okay with it and you know. Just go play basketball. Try helps young guys on way. Enjoy my time but it was it. Was it kind of fun you know helping bring along guys like Smiley and Jordan Pool? I have smile on a daily basis smiley smile. He's a funny guy. Yeah and then we did have Jordan down for a couple of games and I think he picked up on some things. I really helped him when he got back up here Kyw being down and been able to play big minutes up here. It's helped him a lot. So you know been able to talk to those guys and the biggest part of enjoyment with that is that they take it in they. Listen they're not say I'll may not this or you're not there. They they listening in. I think they try and apply. Do they tell you when Golden State wanted to tell you what went into that decision Needed another point guard. I mean I'm here so I need to try and help where I can't and I I liked it one day. I I WANNA be a coach so being able to be hands on early. Stage helps so kind of being elder statesman even though we can help And the fact that they knew and liked you and and that sort of thing went along too. So what's the goal? What's the goal? Now is just Grad Out. This ten day get another ten day enjoy in hopefully just keep building on. What's happening now in the idea of how much longer you WanNa play until the wheels fall. Yeah in your late thirties swallow. Who said YOU WANNA go to this? Yeah what kind of coach you want to be High School College Pro Recruit has college coaches could be tough up can be very tedious and irritating but teaching at that age is is is is the thing that's interesting you know teaching period with the NBA. Getting so much Younger Teaching Coaching Anybody as Coaching College. A lasers our android that these love connection. Yeah Do you talking to guys who played overseas. All of them seem to have some sort of crazy story. Something they've experienced. You have any crazy stories of of your time overseas your plan at a higher level so it's probably not since we'll have heard stories of like fireworks going off or lack flares in gyms so. Yeah that's normal some gyms they. They don't have a no cigarette smoking inside so go to in entire rafters. I feel with cigarettes and yeah eight play like normal life. Nothing nothing I mean in Turkey. They threw a bunch of lighters and batteries at I had to give him a shot at the buzzer neutral. A lot of things. That is the videos on Youtube action. You can you run an outage. We hit the shot. You celebrate probably five seconds before Galaxy S Ryan Turkey. So they're one of the better Turkish. Do a lot of things. Yeah Yeah what what happened with your previous stops in the NBA. Was they're just numbers? Crunch type situation. Bad numbers thing in Cleveland. I'm not sure. Do you look back on those experiences. And think maybe you could have done something differently. Here the Memphis experience. I could have been better hundred percent situation Hustle Just been more prepared. The lockout was like I hope. Create a lot of bad habits basketball a lot. Yeah so you're hanging out too much. No no bear nothing like that just like in terms of playing the game playing the game the right way and pick up a lot differently. Do Play Action Games but nothing about. I'm Jim Ryan. I love the job can do this all day. So nothing that nature at all really nice to meet you. Wish you the best. 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The Olympians Speak Out: Laurie Hernandez + Race Imboden

Coronavirus + Sports

31:39 min | 7 months ago

The Olympians Speak Out: Laurie Hernandez + Race Imboden

"Welcome to Corona Virus and sports. This is always me charity today. A very special edition as we'll be talking to two Olympic athletes who know exactly what it takes to reach the top of their respective sports gymnast and a member of the gold winning final five in Rio Twenty Sixteen Norio Nandes and fencer race. Imboden who won bronze in Brazil and has won gold in several international competitions as both participate in sports that require an extremely high level of commitment and individual preparation. They share their opinion on how the current situation affects them inside and outside of training thirst. Here's a recap of the weekend's developments around Corona Virus and sports Sunday would have been the final round of the twenty twenty masters at Augusta National Golf Club now scheduled for November and as a to last year's memorable tournament. Cbs Replay Tiger Woods historic comeback which also featured an interview with the five-time Green Jacket recipient during certain points in the final round woods talking to CBS's Jim Nance described with emotion feeling. Yeah when he celebrated behind the Eighteenth Green and also commented on the seriousness of the pandemic Sunday also featured the MBA televised horse competition on ESPN two thousand and four NBA finals. Mvp Chauncey billips. Utah Jazz Point Guard. My colleague junior bulls shooting guard sack Levin and Chicago Sky. All-star Allie Quigley. All came out victorious making it to the final four. The semifinals and championship Game Will Air April Sixteen on ESPN. In order to understand what training means to an athlete and this case an Olympian. It's important to understand history in ancient Greece. For example the role of the athlete was directly related to what signified an outstanding disciplined and well respected member of society from the age of homer athletic training represented not just physical perfection but also a person of ethical divinity so when we fast forward to one Olympian represents in today's world. It's easy to see how this discipline and the search for success still exists. Today we talked to individuals who have sacrificed so much in order to reach their dreams and take part in sports that require so much dedication as corona virus affected their ultimate dream tournament the Olympics. They talk to us on how the pandemic affected not just their training but their daily routine living arrangements and overall expectations first gymnast. Laurie Anandas a gold and silver medalist. In Rio. Two Thousand Sixteen. Who since then has become a recognizable figure outside of the Matt from winning? Abc's dancing with the stars to hosting TV shows and writing her own book. Norrie was hoping Tokyo would be her return to the sport now with the postponement of the Games. She discusses her plans and offers an opinion on how it affects our own objectives and the world of gymnastics joining me now is lawyer Nandes. Two time Olympic medalist gold and silver winner back in Rio. She is also a personal triumph when it comes to my own career at one of the very first Stories that I ever did was with the wonderful lawyer. Nana's gymnasts Laura thank you so much for joining us. I have man. Thank you so much for having me. This is so exciting. I'm glad I get to like speak to you again. I'm very happy now. Laurie obviously aside from gymnastics. You've been very busy person. Winning dancing with the stars are writing your own memoir as you train in these years as well American Ninja Warrior You've been you've been busy these last few years. Oh Yeah I think definitely a lot has happened especially since two thousand sixteen. I mean right after the Olympics was done I pretty much stopped gymnastics right away because there were so many different opportunities that happened. I dancing with the stars. We were doing different tours. We came out with books Basically everything you just mentioned American. In junior and a lot of involved a lot of traveling gymnastics clinics. I mean we were definitely staying busy for those two years and I loved it. I don gymnastics since I was five. You know and I home schooled for it. I dedicate everything to it so having met can a two year break where I could just do. Whatever I wanted and get all the experience could possibly have. It was the best thing for me. 'cause by the end of it was like okay. I miss it. I Miss Phone absolutely and you know it's it's just been great to see you shine. Let let's get into it pandemic aside Laura because we're GONNA get into it in terms of covert nineteen and how it affects gymnasts. But can you walk us through? What an Olympic gymnast goes through in training. Yes oh I only speak for myself in this one because I noticed that even with gymnasts we all trained differently. Some girls might need more repetitions. Some girls may need more breaks but the quality is what matters the most which typically is how it works but for me personally In the mornings I would wake up. I- breakfast and whatnot and then headed to physical therapy to three times a week. Usually three times a week. I would be there for a couple of hours. Most of it is just preventative to make sure that I'm not hurting myself out there. But they help was little tweaks here and there to come back Take a little break and then I have practices in the afternoon. My coaches don't like morning workouts. Which is very nice for me. Yeah I enjoy that a lot. So we start practice around two o'clock and Really depending on when I get all my assignments done is when I can go home so me and my teen could just live kind of agreed that setting an exact end. Time is really a good idea. Because you're just staring at the clock and you're waiting for everything end so if I can get everything done quick I can get out of there as early as five forty five six ish but typically am there till around six thirty or seven in in some days. I I like it and that's pretty typical schedule for me. Saturdays are morning workouts. And then Sunday's I have all. Would you say the now as we bring in? What's been going on with the outbreak? Things have changed for you. I mean obviously aside from the conditioning and everything that you have to do on a daily basis. Would you say that your routine is changing? Regime has changed. Yeah I everything has changed especially with all the different rules in California might domestics facility is closed. I'm just doing my best to work out at home. I posted a video on instagram. And it was me trying to do being routines on like a rug so that we could stay moving but yeah a lot has changed because it is what it is you do so many projects outside of the sport as I mentioned has had also changed for you. Are you looking at things differently? You as this year started. Yeah a lot has changed. I mean we already tried to slow down a lot of our projects since come back is going to take up. One hundred percent of my energy having having to do projects outside of that is definitely a bit of stretch so if I am doing anything outside gymnastics promotion. Wise sponsor is all of that is carefully scheduled to make sure that you know. It doesn't take time away from practice. It doesn't leave me mentally drains that when I head back into the gym I can't think straight but as well as thousands and millions of other people out there. All of that has taken a pause since you know the world's at a standstill for now so sticking with that specific theme. Let's talk about Turkey. What was your reaction? When the IOT announced the Tokyo Games would be postponed until two thousand twenty. One I I mean I was already trying to think and consider of all the different ways that they can handle it. You know and really that was. That was three different options that they can take it was they could keep it for this summer. Which in my opinion wasn't quite fair. Because you could have some athletes who like me at the time weren't able to train then you have other athletes around the US who are training full-time and then you're gonNA keep at the same time. A few months from now half the group is going to be ready to visit going to be ready. We also have countries who are not able to go out there in quarantine mode so can't train so it's like if we leave the Olympic Games. During the summer the whole point is for it to be fair and for us to be unified and if we can't all trained the same that's not fair competition and that's not fair to the other countries. They can't train the way that we can. Maybe but some of our states can I think also canceling was very harsh because again you have athletes. Who have been training their whole lives for this end. I was lucky and blessed. You know my time framework to where I wanted to compete in two thousand sixteen and I was the correct h. Where it Heading into twenty twenty was my choice and I'm excited about it and I'm still hanging in there for twenty twenty one But for other athletes who were not age eligible for two thousand sixteen their dreams and their goals were twenty four for twenty twenty so to completely cancel it. That's I don't think that's either so I think the postponement was really the best option they could have picked however it still hurts we can. We can still acknowledge that this is what's best for the world in still be disappointed because we were all training peak at a certain time and so to have to stick around until loop it for another year feels like a lot of work in that can be really exhausting mentally and physically and I think there was a lot of anxiety being surrounded by the fact that this is such a big change engine the fact that the Olympics has never been postponed before. But it's looking back in nine at the world comes first and everybody's doing the best they can including you know the Olympics the Olympic Committee. You know you're hanging onto that objective that dream Whether Twenty Twenty now postponed to twenty twenty one. What are your personal plans then right now? Moving forward yeah. I mean currently right now until everything settles down staying home doing the workouts that I can't mentally staying in tune with gymnastics because we don't have access to those cities right now and that's okay. We're again the world comes I. It's really just trying to stay moving and again trying to do those beam routines middle living room and listening to my floor music in my head in trying to just stay in there because the running mentor routines. It's it's as if you're doing them person. Maybe that muscle memory is going to take a second to come back but if you keep your head in the game. It's definitely going to be easier when you have to actually step foot back in that gym. So it's it's just hanging in there and and being patient about it but as soon as everything can go back to normal it's really rubbing things up and trying to get back into meet season mode as soon as possible because taking a break from the sport is really not the greatest for any athlete and I am sure athletes from other sports. Feel that way about you. Know their respective sports but for gymnastics. You take one week off. It takes two weeks to come back. If you take a month off. It takes two months to come back or more so the more time I spend off of gymnastics little more pressure. I feel in terms of having a rush to come back but you know a year gives us more time so I'm also grateful for that. Y- I mean that's a really good point about gymnastics. It's such a specific situation when it comes to timing with both your training and an athlete's body now the International Gymnastics Federation F. I G vague recently announced that junior gymnasts who will turn sixteen in. Twenty twenty one are now eligible for the Tokyo Games. Seen as you were in that situation and you just talked about it yourself. How do you feel about this decision? And how does it affect your own training? Yes I mean in terms of training. It doesn't quite affect much only because everybody's different. I'm one of those kids it's like. I want to do the best that I can possibly do. If I'm not ready to do a skill I'm not myself out there for it. I might goal is to be as clean as consistent as possible. I want you to be able to count on me when I'm out there whereas some girls throw all these crazy difficulty skills in Ireland. Because I I. I can't do that so everybody's different but that's still always gonNA be my goal no matter what changes however you know. We got a lot of a lot of teams out there who will become senior in twenty twenty one and I go to jail. You dare absolutely incredible. We're all going to have a big run for our monies out there because there's a lot of girls out there that I'm like. Wow you or something else. So I think it's going to be a Lotta Fun. It definitely feels a little like a little more pressure. But that's part of the game you know that's part of the fun so something that I've noticed through the years especially now that I'm married to a former gymnast. Is How when you when you watch a meat when you watch a competition. There's so much unity with gymnasts. Even though you're individually fighting for something you still support each other. How is that going through the outbreak? Especially when we have to social distance do you keep in communication with other gymnasts By assume etcetera. How do you do it? Oh yeah absolutely. I mean. I've definitely I've kept in touch with. Especially Allie Allie. Risk has been a big one for me with her double comeback and being successful in that way on kind of share the same mindset in the sense that when something goes wrong it makes us panic at first and then we can figure it out rather than vice versa Which is obviously very common but we kinda share that same mindset so nervous about something or I guess if I need help with something. She's really that first athlete that I reach out to especially with Covert and everybody having a stay home and whatnot. We've been keeping in touch and just trying to stay connected and then especially for. Oh my teammates back home. A lot of this has been like skype calls. Zoom calls and Group Chats. And all of that. We're all trying to stay connected especially with social media you know. Of course social media can be a pain in the butt sometimes. But when times like these? This is the best way that we can stay connected when we can't go out and we can't see each other so I'm really grateful in that sense. Laurie Anandas two time. Olympic medal is gold and silver winner. So much going on in your life and I'm so proud of to to be part of your reporting history. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. This was awesome. We'll return after these short messages. Sports and scandals. What more could you ask for every week on? Hall of Shame. A new podcast. From Crooked Media Fox sports host and Comic Rachel Bonita and comedy writer wretched Frock Bomb. Take each other through some of the biggest scandals in sports history to discover the humanity behind the headlines from the thrill of Dhaka's No hitter to the agony of Rosie Reece's marathon lies they get to the bottom of what happened. Why these stories matter and how they're still relevant today. You'll laugh you'll cry. You'll feel more invested in sports than you ever thought. Possible new episodes of Hall of shame. Come out every Monday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts Olympic fencer race imboden is no stranger to make an a statement from taking a knee and the medal podium at the Panam Games in two thousand nineteen as a sign of protest against social injustice to empowering changed by social media. Imboden uses his voice to speak up for his beliefs. Now as corona virus impacted the world of sports the Olympics and his own livelihood the fencer and menswear fashion model joins us to discuss how the outbreak initially affected his life. And how he handles his career. During these unprecedented times. Joining us. Now is team. Usa Foil Fencer Olympic Fencer World Championship. Fencer Race Imboden race won a team bronze in the Summer Olympics in two thousand sixteen also team gold in the world championships and Panamerican Games in Lima Peru. Where I'm from Raise thank you so much for joining us. Now thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here race It is really great to have you. Let's get straight to it. It was just under a month ago when I read your piece on Men's health on how you were first dealing with the news of Cova Nineteen. I want to go back to that time in early March. What was going on in your training and life when the news first broke out regarding the outbreak. So I have a kind of an unusual story with it. I split my training Between the states and the end Europe and actually the place that I trained in Europe. Blood is Italy so two weeks before I came to the states before everything went on lockdown. I was training in Italy and I was starting to hear the things about the virus. The north of Italy was getting hit really hard and we were starting to get a little worried. Mike Coaches Families all Italian physical trainers families all Italian. The word began to spread and we started to hear little snippets of troubles being affected. This is being affected but the reality set in until we came to the United States. We had our last Olympic qualifier event. You know a very very important events. the Grand Prix in America. It's like our hometown events and the day before the competition. I was in a workout with my trainers when we got the news that the everything was canceled it was all one day it was like the. Nba was cancelled. Our competitions cancelled. I calling all my friends from other events swimming ice skating all the Olympic sports. And just being. You know what's going on with you what you have this event. What's going on with you and we're all trying to piece together. You know some vision of this future because we know that the Olympics is is three or four months away and and in that time period the last little section is is the easy part. That's just fine tuning so yeah so it came down hard and then suddenly we went into this limbo. The Limbo State was actually for me. I think the worst which was we don't know if the game can be cancelled. We don't know if they're gonNA move for me. What would have been worse is like we keep it running and we get out of quarantine a month for the Olympic Games and have to be prepared for the big competition of our life. You know it's like asking somebody to to to prepare for the super bowl in four weeks. It's crazy you can't ever put a time limit on the on the Olympic Games like that. There's too many in too many different kinds of sports and things just compiled so I was in this house. I have left This is not my. I'm here with my physical trainer. His wife's who have been really kind of us and let us stay here so that we can stay in shape Keep working out and just kind of have people around us. You know because it's just me and my girlfriend were both Olympians. Were both in the same boat. She's offensive as well. So yeah we're we've been we've been trying our best to stay in shape and just just create a routine and and keep everything running. Let's stick to that point that last point stick to the routine. What does that mean for you right now especially when you're confined to a house? Ah Backyard maybe what you have to do. In order to change routine right now. Are I would say that. There's very little similar to what I usually do what I'm doing now minute into completely different routine. Just the idea of routine is important for athletes Speaking about Mental Health. Speaking things that affect me like. I'm so used to everything being structured to knowing where I'm going for year I have every place ongoing all my training camps listed out flights. I'm GonNa take everything's pre planned to be here and do our routine just for us just means like I wake up in the morning. I do like a little challenge for myself. I try to just like knock out some kind of physical activity in the morning whether push ups sit ups just to kind of get my body going to get myself in that head space. Because that's what I'm used to doing in my regular life. Usually I trained three times a day. I wake up in the morning. I have one on one with my coach. Which is like in fencing. It's similar to a boxing where the coach holds the pads. So it's very technical work. It's a lot of precise skills. And then after that I usually go directly into workouts and then I have my break and then they come back for night in spar so my whole day is revolving around training. You know Here we have a we have a garage which is great and physical trainer has a bunch of bands. We have trx which has been a lifesaver. So we've just been coming up with tons of different ways to to us what we have to work different muscle set to go out on the street and do some sprints and hill sprints whatever we can get our hands on just to stay in generally good shape. That's the best we can do right now. Moving a little bit forward from when you first heard we know. The Olympics are now postponed until next year. What does that mean for you? How are you feeling about that is specifically now that it will be a year from now? Yeah I think it was the right decision. I think it definitely was the right decision. We had a athletic survey in the US of so just for the Olympic Committee from the US team. I think it was a thousand. Two hundred athletes responded and sixty eight percent said. Their training was severely affected. They wanted games pushed so there was a large large percentage bath. Lead said warning weren't able to train. I come from a combat sport background. I'm friends with a lot of combat sport athletes in. We're an unusual predicament. Because we're all trading partner based so I need sparring partners. I need to go into a room with a lot of guys in it to get my reps in and it's a lot of close contact so the idea of doing our sport to train our sport without that it doesn't make sense. There's no place I can go to the same shape as far as the game's being pushed the safety of everyone has to come first. I think as an athlete were were role models for a lot of people. No matter what scale your platform is on so You know if you've got one hundred followers in two of them look up to you got you know a hundred million followers in a million of them. Look up to. It's important to realize it's sports. is a game and it's a privilege and the Olympics is a privileged and while I'm so used to running my life on a four year schedule. The you know the Games can change and there's more important things and it's time to take you know. Take care of our family and take care of everybody who who doesn't have the ability to take care of themselves absolutely raise. The other point is the financial aspects of things you know. Obviously different situations require different responsibilities whether you are a team. Usa Men's basketball player or fencer. How has this financially affected? You obviously the promotion towards the Olympics is a major part of of it but so many other components how has financially economically the pandemic affected you. So it's you've got to see from a bigger a bigger point of view. It's not actually the pandemic. It's just the Olympic cycle so most Olympic athletes at. You know work we work. I luckily enough work with sponsors and and Fashion brands and stuff like that. And I've been able to make money doing that but during the Olympic season it's such important year I don't work as much. I start my stride and I cut back on traveling. I cut back on anything. That's that's extra rights which means taking less money so now I expect to get to the Olympic Games in and I go through the medals and you go for your bonus and you try to hope that your sponsors kick in and that you know that's the dream and that's what we're all fighting for but that's not moved a year so I've invested all this money to live in Italy to you know to cut back to train to eat well. I'M A physical trainer. A sport psychologist my fencing trainer. And all those people around my budget's now while I'm luckily enough to have people who work with me and you know don't kill me an in-depth but the truth matters. I still pay is still pay. All those people in the the idea is that like oh all the sponsors were kicking introduced up there in like we had the rule. Forty change where you can post for the first time at the Olympic Games and actually make a little a little bread at the Olympic Games. Of just you know different than most of the most of the time because it's so strict with sponsorships there and I think that you know you forget that like most athletes. Aren't you know aren't the one gymnast? Who's really famous? The one swimmer and you know the basketball guys. Tennis guys were already famous. They're they're basically pro bono bag close and we come home you medal. You get your whatever. Your bonuses maximums. Twenty Five K. In before Obama was taxed. So you know it wasn't like we were doing this most of us for the money so then definitely now with the pandemic. It's a worry about just like stretching that budget for another year. Not only us but also federations have to fund us to travel. We don't know what qualification is yet. We don't know how much trouble we have to do before the game so all those buttons are stressed. So it's definitely a regular conversation between me and my girlfriend of like where we gonna go. How are we going to make this happen? We have to budget for another year. We have to. We have to figure out where our coach is going to be going to train with him. And all those all those questions a lot is up in the air unfortunately yes absolute what. What's what's the thing that you miss the most right now. Is your training at home. You have loved ones and your coaches with you. Even you know maybe digitally. What is it that you miss the most right now? Would you say I think just missed getting the be me you know? I think as an athlete as a combat athlete. The place that I can be unabashedly knees like when I'm competing what I'm on this. I get to be you know whatever I feel like that day. If I've cocky if I feel like I'm the best in the world I can walk out there and be that it's the place that I feel at home I can be competitive can be loud. I can be intense in the real world. I can't be all those things all the time. I can't be at home like playing Uno and scrapping with people so it's GonNa be It's more about just finding a place I think in your daily life. It's it's that gives you that that enjoyment you know I. I'm a creative dude. I like to think of myself as more than just defense. I think is important athletes to do that. And I've been reflecting a lot on everything that's going on but definitely the thing I miss the most. Just like there's there's no combat like me and my girlfriend played paddle outside and it was like the closest. I've come to being competitive in yelling at each other a little bit but but other than that man you know it's like Tom Brady. Says the one place he gets to be himself on the field finally race. Obviously this can be a tricky question in many ways. Because you know we're going more dealing with the unknown but Are you optimistic? How do you see? Do you see a light at the end of the tunnel. How how are you feeling right now? Mentally Yeah you tried to try to look forward realistically. I think there's a lot of. There's a lot of instagram messages. Going round about everybody working out. And everybody's staying positive and I think there there is truth to that But I think there is a lot that's going on said which is a lot of us. Just don't have the thing that we care about the most you know. And that's our sport as Olympia nzx in and it and it and it will affect people and it's definitely a period where mental health is is is GonNa be a top priority for all athletes. Do I have a light at the end of the tunnel? Yes we have the twenty twenty one games but for me especially. I think there is a difference between this cames and the one in two thousand twenty one. It feels different to me and I think it's something that a lot of athletes are talking about but it's time change man like we. We ramped up for three years to this games. And now someone's pushed it back in and it feels different. There's a different sense for this Olympic Games. It's a different mentality. This season is going to be different. It's GonNa Change Things. People are going to get injured and not going to be able to go to the games like there's moments like this changes people's career paths. I think right now you have to take one day at a time. You have to make sure that you know. We see the bigger picture. Which is that. You know we're staying home and and we're not putting anybody in danger in our families are safe. Hopefully everybody's taking the precautions they need to take in that. And then yeah we can go back to playing games and and being competitive in having fun you know and the Olympic Games are supposed to be about fun and competitiveness and in raw athletic talent. You know so for me. I just hope that the Games represents that in no matter when it's you know lands or what data's out did those scenario that it comes in allows all our all our athletes just like just be ourselves and then go out there and just like tear it up especially in team. Usa because we love the Olympic Games in such a special thing to be like a team USA athlete at the Olympic Games. I just hope there's not too much too much causes break in momentum up to the to the next one that's what that's what my my whole race Imboden. Olympic medalist world championship champion with Team USA. I wish you nothing but the best and good luck in training and the future. Thank you very much man. Pleasure beer the life of an athlete can be often misconstrued as a twenty four hour festival a success and fame but we often miss the sacrifices but mental and physical that they go through in order to achieve their targets. When you focus on sports like gymnastics or fencing. The demand elevates because training aside. They also only offer you a small window of opportunity during the endemic other issues. Come to play and just like Lori race mention the need to remain discipline. Engaged and most importantly optimistic our own necessities that can help athletes during times when they can't do what they love just like anyone else. Athletes as Ancient Greece reminds us just aim to be the best versions of themselves and no pandemic will stop that. Thanks to Laurean and this and raise imboden for joining me today. We'll continue bringing you the stories throughout the corner buyers crisis. 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HOUR 2: Who's The Best Point Guard Available At The Deadline? ; Caron Butler and Ryan McDonough, RADIO.COM NBA Insiders

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HOUR 2: Who's The Best Point Guard Available At The Deadline? ; Caron Butler and Ryan McDonough, RADIO.COM NBA Insiders

"Dell's the podcast. All right back your with chromebook. Yeah Yeah because he anthony towns was that that was a great man. I've been on this practice mechanic. Okay let me let me let me read this read for us. Tell me how you guys like it. anyways yeah towns. Towns is boys with with the Ngelo Russell. Do you think that that's coming into play away with this. Is it smart to placate your best player and bring in a guy like the Ngelo Russell. I know that he's a good player. But is that a smart move by Minnesota a scowl. You know how to stain go. I I've seen great talents Have you know friends behind the bitch. Uh Friends know hovering somewhere around the front office you know. That's that's what it takes now to recruit individuals and keep them happy in you know sometime. I'm somewhat of a toxic environment and I'm not saying that Minnesota is that but when I am saying is in order to be comfortable in the process and in the progress of Gin to where you WanNa get to sometimes you have to step outside and try to control the keeping your biggest asset. A cat has their biggest asset Minnesota. Do not want to lose him. It reminds me a reminiscent of the situation. Where Kevin Garnett for years he was there he gave gave everything he had? And they you know they cut them happy. They did everything he needed and wanted. In at the end they put them in a grave situation where he was able to be acquired by the Boston. Celtics L. Dukes plus too Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and then you know the rest is history so I think that whatever he wants we look at cat I know he has a pipeline in a straight direct line with front office. They're going to give him whatever he needs and wants and if he wanted to play one of his close friends you best believe in in the very near future that's going to happen is not nothing different in what you saw. Lebron James was saying you know what Anthony Davis a hell of a talent. I really liked plan with him someday. Awesome Day became the damn near by all star weekend in dismiss that but it definitely happened in summer as we all seen so it happens like that now now I want to play with each other. That's exactly what's going to happen. Yeah but like Leonard Doing that to get Paul George or Lebron doing that to get Anthony. Anthony Davis I mean those are top tier guides in the NBA. The NGELO Russell was like the twenty fifth best point guard in the NBA. And I'm just going to. I'm going to read you. Some teams teams. Don't think this year I know a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff that can happen in the off season. I get that but who is going to be better next year Golden State or Sacramento. WHO'S MINNESOTA GONNA BE BETTER THAN GOLDEN STATE SACRAMENTO NEW ORLEANS Phoenix San Antonio Portland Memphis Oklahoma City Dallas? Like those are growing from the bottom to the top. Even if they got D low and they're losing games Karl Anthony towns is going to be okay with that now. He's upset because they're losing but they're going to be losing next year so now he's like. I got my boy here here. So I'm cool or Karl. Anthony towns like I'm out of here and now Minnesota stuck with a deal on a Max contract. My buddy eighty by buddy. Every he goes we go lie so people are some people are okay with being okay in Scotland. You Bro. You know how it is my look you get the payday you back up the brinks truck. Everybody get paid. Everybody's happy. They were too skinny jeans as a designer sweaters and stuff like that cat wall and they may okay man and you gotta look at Minnesota to do. They really have a realistic mystic. Chance of winning the championship know we went over this time. Not Good no good. And that's what they're going to be. They're going to be somewhere between six. It's an eight and that's okay. They're not they're going to be like somewhere between fifteen and twelve could be low and if you get the keep what you got an add a piece of two there'd be somewhere in the competitive sixty nine somewhere in there in the western conference uh-huh who say I don't know there's no way that that's true have you said. Here's the thing if they got Chris Paul then. We'll we like all right but then Chris Paul is going to yell at Wigan's he going to be sad and then Chris Paul is going to be like come on. You gotTA play. You gotTA bring it on both ends to the floor. In the he's GonNa be sad and everyone's going to be sad because Christie Policy Almanac Kim except you know who wouldn't he said the fans because they'd be winning games games like right now bring de low in and we'll be also everything will be cool now. You Ain't going to be cool you're winning. You're winning percentage is not going to be cool dislike when they had ah Jimmy Butler in there. They didn't like that Jimmy Butler yelled at them but they were winning. They made it to the playoffs. So I don't know man to me. It seems like we're ear. Move them to make but a man whatever they can do whatever they want you gotta you gotTa keep your superstar happen if you're superstar. Want his friend on the roster you you keep them happy that's what you do and he'll be okay with losing plan below thirty thirty percent basketball from a wind share standpoint and he hit his role witted people. Have you know people. Don't go to games now in Minnesota. They don't care doesn't matter if he's our superstar like superstars have to responsibilities in the NBA. YEA THEY HAVE ONE WANNA fill the seats no doubt I understand that business. I understand that and to win games. You know cat hasn't won a game since this November December thanksgiving Karanja. How long ago that was then when you broke bread and you had to Turkey and you're cooking all day and it was cool at the house doesn't last time he's won a game? No Hey why you don't remember. That was four months ago. A It's not good good good good. I'm Corron I have you ever gone four months the only time you've ever gone four months winning again no he. Hasn't he hasn't even WANNA pick up game in four months so at least in the summertime when you don't win. NBA Games. You're like you're getting some wins in the off season. I know that you have never gone four months without winning a game of your life back in your life l.. No I don't even know what this you feel like and I don't want to catch that. Virus could be contagious. I WanNa ask you about this because the other the other sort of end of that trade is everyone is saying like all right in any trade for Hilo they probably would have to give wiggins back in you know in a deal to make the money work out and I was thinking about this. We all know that we don't know Perkins Nicknamed Him Andre Wiggins and. He's talking about the box. Man He doesn't care about the T.. Wolves and we've made it. All the jokes that we can about the T.. Wolves and Wigan specifically but I was thinking about this last night I random by Scott. I want to know what you think would that. Would it be actually great for his career for Wiggins career to go to a place like golden state where he's going to be surrounded by winners he's GonNa be surrounded by Klay Staff Draymond now grant they're gonNa push him and who knows if he's going to be accepting of that but he'll be in a winning cultural he's going to get some great coaching mentor ship. Maybe a clear plan for him moving forward so my point was like it should wiggins actually want this move it should actually be a good move for career if he was able to end up with golden state on a team. Where you know he'd be He'd be playing with some really great players that could possibly turn his career around or is it too far gone already? I say this this is your what for women's six six all right so like when whenever you look at players careers you always try to give them the benefit of the doubt so you give them four to six years to possibly p come in today all and have have that strong foundation then you know what you got what you work with. Is this GonNa be all star. Is he a superstar or is he just a really good all around player two way player. Whatever the case may be Wiggins is goddess and I love wiggins and I I really do what? He's good enough to get you fired so knowing aww that going forward I think that the guys that's good enough to get you fire. You don't want one rely upon them to be consistent on a game the game night I tonight basis so that means they can't be top dog number two guy but you already could be. Is Your number three guy. And if he's your number three guy and he's able the three or four guys he's able to give you his his traditional outbursts here near where he's able to go out there and scored twenty five thirty points and then he'll go oh back into the shell where he scores teams. It is a or you have as one offs. y'All wanna be aggressive this night. Because he didn't like basketball for whatever reason day he could do. Ed You know what I mean. You have to put him in a position where he's not being relied upon night in and night out. I seen this kid all summer. Workers workers ass off and like like when I'm hearing rumours even when Captain Jack had that whole open discussion about him and everything some. There's no love the game that he has every physical talent to be like one of the League of the League but I just don't see it out Out there when he's competing on a game night the night basis so it was crazy so I think that he would bribe in a system like Golden State. Because you've got two guys Klay is a killer. We see that Steph. Curry does what he does it on his automate Lou guy so if you had wiggins being at third option or the option for them and they're going to hold him accountable and teach them how to win and be productive even when he's not knocking down shots I think is good for. Aw Wow corron. They're a team that they play for one thing they're going to play for championships. And you know so how hard it is to win a championship. You know the sacrifices that takes to win a championship so you tell me a year ago or not. Even a year ago. It'd be a couple of months ago. We came out and said I don't really like guys yelling at me. Guy Yells at me. I'm not going to bring it. It's just yeah. I don't respond to that type of stuff. So what's going to happen with draymond. Green sees him having one of those nights where he just doesn't care. And when you have steph clay dream on Steve Kerr the whole warrior organization. And they're about winning. How's IT GONNA work with Andrei Wiggins coming in? They're saying and I don't know if I want to play today. I'm not going to give the effort I need to give I. I don't know don't you feel like he would melt like he came. I think uh when I looked at your the wizards team. There's one team early on. I feared because you guys do work against us. I thought you guys add like a nice fabric about you. If a guy came in it wasn't made up like that it was that guy going to play for you guys. Maybe he plays one game. Maybe plays another game but he's not going to be a rotational player. Then you add to the fact that he makes thirty million dollars a year. I'll see how it works. I get I know what you're saying but that's an understanding that you're thinking that he has a mentality of you mentality. Yeah let's go out there and this is play this play tough get wins. I'm not sure he's like that you know what he's not built like that. But I think that when the demand is different I think that he can be three or four option unit. Because that's right now. He's expected if cat has a bad game. Andrew Wiggins got to have thirty points or twenty eight and twelve and five five and six or something like. I don't think he can do that on a consistent basis even though he got that number salary attached to him to do that he doesn't bring that. But what yeah I think he could do on. A consistent basis is be that guide and go out there and go get you fourteen to seventeen and night with no pressure pressure because the other guys are so great and they draw that much attention his numbers are gonNA come rather smoothly and more and more in the flow of things and I think thank the pressure is different and then look drawn is going to get in his ass and rightfully so some people need individualized draymond guys draymond ish just to be on your side and push to have one they have Jimmy Butler. He didn't like that he was sad. But you know what are you saying her now then He. He was no different. But I'm saying he needs that otherwise he's GonNa settle. He's going to be a mediocre guy for his career. There's no fucking way to Andrew. Andrew Wiggins a all star game with his talent like. Did you get injured. Are you hurt like our is Yo- phillies. Hurt like what I like. You should be able to go out there and play the game at a high level and I love the kid every time I see him in the summer. Bro Come on man like you you you got it all. I'm seeing you knock down Shash jumping fucking four feet off. The ground is shoot the basketball. You don't with the left hand right in. There's no reason reason why you shouldn't be off as lead no reason I mean Matt. EMP Did you know. Did Not dress hurt feelings the purpose I mean. That's why the way the way you described him as like he's talented and good enough to get you fired as the best way probably to describe them and You know I don't know I I WANNA see him in a change of scenery. I think I just WANNA see I. I feel like it's sort of toxic there in Minnesota and maybe it changes junior will do him good but who knows. If we'll actually see that I wanNA move on here because we only got about fifteen minutes with you left your Koran. Let's get some more trade stuff do. Do you think the Lakers or the clippers need to make teammate. needs to make a move more. The Lakers are the clippers crop because we talked about the clippers. And maybe they need to bring an extra big. Maybe the Lakers need an extra sort of score score ball handler type. Which one do you think needs to make a move before tomorrow's deadline? Where Cerruti are you just going to let a Koran smoked cigars not bring it up he can let you go like four? I didn't want to interrupt you do that too much. I'm thinking like now like really. You're golden addresses to guard understand. I thought he had a drink. I thought he was taking Sipa something. I didn't see it was a cigar. Look at this I mean listen Eh. It's rely listen. This is a pro cigar. Show here on scale. You can do whatever you want. Listen you could do whatever ever happy one to say. I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying you just let that slide. Like I didn't see it in the first time. I guess I missed it. My goodness shouts L.. Listen all those things like where we gotTa Watch. Do we all over again. I think we only saw smoke. Cigars Elliott every day. When you close the show out so consistent the system Garcia although I'm not a Houston Guard Guy Scour you I mean shocker? You guys shouldn't be shocking. I'm not basic our guy. Okay anyways Lakers clippers. Who needs to make a move who who needs to make a movie winning? I'd say the Lakers man. I say the Lakers I look at the team. I look at the minutes that Lebron James Logging look at the production auction from a playmaker standpoint. Still missing a piece in my eyes in order for them to win this season. Lebron is GonNa have to just be like Lebron two years ago in the finals where he just like what the hell off. He has to be like that for the whole stretch of the playoffs. Anthony Davis going. You have to be lights out kyle. WHO's GonNa be he's GonNa have to be lights out? rondos going to be able to knock down shots ultimate play. Make my so many things going to have to go right. But I think if you're able to get Derek world type with Darren Collison or something like that to those measures now you have that playmaker Threat offensively screen opportunities for himself and being aggressive. Draw a lot of attention. And he's able to facilitate the offense grief other. Somebody that Lebron can trust. Someone had Davis contrasted put them in position. And I think if you don't have that so many things just have to go like Bam. I'm near perfect for you to win. Crawl and ask you about the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers these guys are in a tailspin care boy on the road but they are good at home. The best version of the sixers is still pretty. Damn good. Do they just need to make a move just to mix this thing up. You know what the only move that a really make sense for them. I think they'll be scared to make so they just have to wait. Play it out for the remainder of the season. Awesome and see what happened and move that I'm talking about is you have to decide whether it's GonNa be Benson Joel Embiid at some point. I think when you look at those guys and you're talking about Kaneko's this each other all right. Let me see if oil in the best shape of his life and let's see if that if that makes sense now if he's able to get up and down the basketball court and play with the pace that Ben Simmons and those guys play with what he's not out there because it's like a glaring difference you know defensively absolutely you can definitely see the lack of like Lisa newson office under the floor when he's out there and he's stretched out on the perimeter again. Same Shit Shit that. I didn't like last season where they lost to the Toronto Raptors and everybody had to make a press conference in a major announcement. That Brown will be back next year and I said you know what that is a problem whenever you have a press conference to say this will be our coach going forward that being that it's a lot of questions saying will he be our culture should he. Maybe our coach and I'm looking at this team. They lost a ton with without having Jimmy Butler Jimmy Butler brains type of energy and a dog to that team Tobias. Here's a really good Richard. Really good all those guys but I feel like they got a Lotta pieces. That don't really complement each other. So I don't even know what type of style they WANNA play. They slow it up. They play in the half court. It complements. Joel it'd be but when speeded up the team looks better and Al Horford even look more insertive in an imprecise. What he's doing but it's interesting to see? I think they're gonNA have to make a decision this summer. Yeah I agree. I think we'll they'll probably push it off. I don't think they're gonNA do anything being drastic until at least we see what happens in the playoffs but Th this I want to move out of this because this was something. We talked about a ton yesterday. I'm I'm fascinated. Know where you stand on this the beef between the Young Grizzlies as an Andrea Guatemala. Like what what side are you are you are you sticking with. Are you sticking with the old heads. The young guys are smoke. I don't win. Hey Hey you know what I like. I like that. The young fellow came out. I ah I liked. That came out and just say look I bite my tongue for nobody give me. He's like look this high. Feel and that's what it is. And even when Steph Curry Kinda chime in on the situation he was like I still feel that way and I'm not changing and I respect it. You know like young people when you look at the scituate. I was in this situation with the Milwaukee Bucks that I wanted to compete for a title again at the end of my career. I've got a little longer to and I WANNA be planning meaningful games. I didn't want to be part of the developmental process. And I think that the young guys are looking at that like you know what Andrea here getting Mata here and they they feel like they're being disrespected because they feel like they can compete. Beat anybody as they supposed to a younger caste. They supposed to feel that way but we know that they're still in making the playoffs. Probably give out in in gentleness week. Four to one anybody from the top of the Western conference however they look and feel some type of way and I don't mind him. I'm keeping that competitive nature. Ned drive by saying you know what. XYZ is how we feel about the situation but from a business standpoint Andrea dollars doing was right for him and his career going forward but I thought it was comical. I thought it was very entertaining and I'll follow the time line for about five minutes yesterday because it made me feel decided to watch it it was you. Were watching the bucks yesterday. You think that they'll do anything. WHO's that Milwaukee? Yeah I really liked Milwaukee I do. I'm excited to see. Janas continued to develop his shot US looking different. He's the shoot the ball. A little stiffer and tighter. It was almost like a equivalent of shooting a Madison Ball if something and now he's like following through through he's looked like he's a little more comfortable with fatal ways and you know stepping into shots and I think that you know. Chris Middleton is starting to be a little more assertive his score. And like you know what I don't have to pass it back. Let me go be aggressive air. Bless look more confident where he's coming out pulling up threes would would ease and nothing that that's been the biggest hurdle for them to get past because when the second and third option are hesitant you know in the playoffs in hesitant shoe shots that they should accustom custom. We make or traditionally may cause they're going to bliss Janas. They're going to cut the scenes. They're going to take away a ton of real estate and they're going to go as far as those guys. Take them and Matthews News. I think man that was a big pickup for them. Matthews is a guy that could knock down shot. Some make some things happen. He's a competitor. And I really like what the bucks are doing. They strapped up on the defensive end of the floor. They can beat you multiple ways. They can beat you pay as they could be two and a half court they rebound the hell out the basketball. They disagree ready team so so do you think that they stand pat though an hour a day plus left in the deadline. Do you think that they should just stand pat. Not Make a move or do you think could they can still improve this team. Because I mean everyone wants to point to last year Toront- Toronto and everyone that's the main thing in the back of everyone's mind why doubting team I don't think that's fair but do things where if you can upgrade anything you could you try to upgrade maybe the back into your rotation or do you just say hey. We don't want to mess with something. That's going really well right now. I think when you look at the book you don't I WANNA mess anything up if you able to get a little more depth Somewhere I mean at the end of the day you probably go eight possibly nine deep. That's like stretching it eight nine for the playoff run for the championship. Run and you look at their record right now. What the fuck they only loss? What six seven games? What I mean look like everything on right for do like I'm looking at it like should be people at home? They kicking ass on the road. I mean there's not too much to fix or tweak is not like a team has outworked them or showed a glaring something where they need to get it better. I think that the biggest improvement or the biggest acquisition at they had is is getting more experienced and battle tested. So now Eric Bledsoe is better. Militant is better better. They got that experience and I think that's equivalent to get a another player or something because now they're going to be better. You're not going to be what they were last year. I think that helps out significantly so rudy. You WanNa get a best bet from Koran because we want to start getting more best buddy yeah yeah. Let's let's last night. We were three. And by the way so I had by the way my pick of over two twenty five and a half in the blazers nuggets game hit by half a point because of Caleb swatting and free throw throw. So what's up. You got your Lakers win last night and McDonough improves the five and one on the season. Who'd he had? He had a memphis. 'cause he was talking last night bragging about he had Milwaukee Milwaukee Milwaukee against the the the the PELICANS that's right minus seven so they ended up blowing. That thing done is our best picture on the show. So let me bring this up appear Koran and see what you like because are do you know anything that you like or I can read you some of the Games we got coming up. Shoot me some numbers. Shoot me. Justin Games I WANNA know the Brooklyn Clinton. I want to know the Brooklyn Golden State seven so Brooklyn is a seven point favorite at home against the warriors. Okay right shouldn't be any KYRI. No and the awards coming to Brooklyn Game Brooklyn Brooklyn will win that game tip all right. So he's taken all right so walk in there. We go best bet so wrong. You'RE GONNA come in and we'll do the rest of them at the end but we won't make sure we get Koran on bet tonight right was still out with a knee injury right. which actually might it'd be a good thing for the nets who knows I mean at this point as Scelzo said you know? They might be better team without him. Return game what about the D- Low return you worried about that. Not at all not at all. Okay tation we'll say we had a beyond say reference we had a g unit reference. And you're smoking a cigar during the show. I have a feeling this might have been the greatest hit in the history of television radio. Internet shows. PODCAST whatever you WanNa say so thanks. It's always we're bringing it man. We always know you keep it real real top juice and I will say anytime you referenced beyond say we'll take it appreciate job road. We'll no catch after the deadline. We'll make sure to break it down with you. Take it easy slew all right. I thought I didn't I. Didn't I thought you tip water. That's what I was thinking. I didn't know he's he hit the cigar. What's up there? We go next to catch you almost there when you on my how. It's really going to bring this up or not. Let me think there's there's wait. Maybe he's going to bring it up at the end of his question. I'm thinking man he not going to bring it up. I can see that one slide down in my notes. I'm looking down seeing where we're going next and thank you. Can I mean you. You're absolutely right. Interrupt me and be like what the Hell you do and certainly the guy just took a hit a cigar. We've gotTA talk about this. So thank you for being attentive because sometimes I'm we'll space. I'm excited about the deadline. So I miss some things but for this stuff and this is my thing this is my thing and by the way speaking of that. Let's just plug this in case that nobody knows. I mean we've mentioned a few times with make sure you're checking out. We're GONNA have a normal show tomorrow. Eleven am to one PM. Just like we always are coming to you. Radio DOT COM SLASH RADIO DOT COM APP and on all those same platforms forums and twitter. We're going to have a live show special right at three o'clock right after the deadline is over me you and our resin. Gm Ryan mcdonagh GONNA be breaking down all all the trades for at least an hour so make sure you check that out three o'clock eastern tomorrow right after deadline our special show here and we'll get the podcast out soon as possible and speaking of Ryan mcdonagh. He's going to hop bon in the next half an hour. We're going to ask him about that. Fourteen trade what it means for de Ngelo Russell. Were hoping to be able to talk to Isaiah Thomas of the wizards as well before the end of the show today. If we don't get them today we'll get him in the next couple of days. Well we've been talking to their people and he wants to come on. He's excited to talk to use cow. So why don't we do this. Let's take a quick break here. We'll come back. I've also got to ask you about daime. Lord Not Winning Western Conference Player of the week. Lebron somehow got it despite the back. That lower had an epic maybe all time great at least couple of weeks and months of January and he did not win player of the month. So all. That's GONNA come up next Brian. Scott Lauber NFC SRUTI SCALP House. Radio DOT DOT com the radio DOT COM APP. We're back here Scalp House. Radio DOT COM the radio DOT COM APP as always we are brought to you by Ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire try ziprecruiter for free by going to ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash enter. We're going to have Ryan mcdonagh resin. GM and a couple of minutes here we want to get his thoughts on the fourteenth trade. And what it means going forward for some of these teams. I'm specifically interested in what what Denver's doing because yeah I mean. We talked a lot about the hawks. And obviously they get their center and one of their a solid player that they just need guys on the roster and Clint Cappella we know the rockets. Get their guy and Robert Covington and are going small but Mitch. It shouldn't Denver's going to do because it seems like maybe this is a move to make another move to go after jrue holiday what they do because it seems like they're window might be right now so I'll ask that to Ryan mcdonagh coming up in just a couple of minutes but before we bring him on scale I WANNA do this. Did you see where you on twitter at all yesterday. Did you see people were really mad. And we know people on twitter. Get Really Mad and I'm not usually one of the people that like that but I do think that they were somewhat justified. Lebron James One western conference player of the week over Damian lower. Now we've talked extensively about Lillard on this show in the last couple of week or so. Because I brought him up as my fifth most underrated player in the league since that he's basically going on an absolute tear pat myself on the back there. What's up but it's been the entire month? Aunt were lured has been unbelievable setting leads. The League in points leads the League in threes. He's led his team the blazers who were had record to a nine and seventeen record this month but but he loses out to Lebron in player of the month in the Western Conference Award. Did you cared you players care about this. What do you think are you mad? What what's your thought? What are your thoughts? Because I have a bunch of staff that I'll tell you why this is absolutely fraudulent or go ahead. You go with this task because I really don't care but I can. I do think player of the month month is a big deal like I don't think player the we big deal. I think anybody can win. That but player of the month is a big deal but go ahead. Let's let's see where we're at with this all right so here. We go Lebron in this month. Now listen the broadest having a historic season for him at age thirty seven. He's having a great season. This wasn't even one of his better months. He's averaging just over twenty four points points a game ten assists per game. It was averaging a double double. That's great that's kind of Lebron but dame dame is averaging thirty five okay he's averaging eight and a half assists spur game he leads. The League in points leads the League in threes. He set up points record in franchise history for the Blazers in the month of January. He said the most threes in a month in Blazers. He's just history. He's also the first player ever get six threes in six games in a month. He's also the first player with sixty points. Sr Sixty points and ten assists and three Games in a month So so I don't know I listen. You can sit here and say oh. It's not just status award winning matters to throw that to you as well. The Braun who was on a significantly better eighteen the Lakers were ten and four this month. Good record but by not not even close to their best record in any month. I mean. They've certainly had better wins and losses record months. And look it with Damian. Lillard is dealing with as as we mentioned throughout the show throughout the show's history there decimated by injuries. He's counting on Carmelo Anthony to give them real minutes. Which is my story? But it's kind of amazing that that's even what they resulted you and they have a nine seven record months. They have a winning. He's putting them back singlehandedly. Almost into the playoff mix in the western conference. I don't usually get worked up about this stuff and I have no wadia. How the League would award this Lebron over Damian Lillard and it's nothing against Lebron but Lillard deserve to win player of the month award in the Western Conference and got it got it? Oh he lost him necks and he lost a Minnesota. Well you can't lose those two teams if you're gonNA players there's a there's a when you look at qualifications for winning player of the month on the very bottom it says but you can't no matter what you can on average hundred so asked him loose mix in Minnesota in the same month so therefore he didn't get it the broadening the Knicks Minnesota in the same month I but who else they beat. They beat the Lakers now. Granted that was difficult circumstances but still a win. They beat Utah. Baby Houston they be. They be Houston again win. They have a bit Toronto. I mean that to me. That's those are all really team. So I think if anything outweighs the too bad losses and again a winning winning record there are not a good team on paper right now and and he led them to a winning record this month and single handedly put them back in the playoff mix and he was easily the most fun player to watch this month easily easily like everyone was check game. Lebron would on average twenty four and ten and what Lillard averaged thirty thirty five in. What thirty thirty five eight and a half man? Who who gives that award out we gotta find out man? That's that is is highway robbery. I'm telling you it's the knicks loss in the Minnesota loss. You can't lose those teams. Minnesota hasn't won a game in a minute man. And how you'RE GONNA lose and while you're actually out of the equation. Sorry I disagree I disagree I disagree. Let's let's ask. Let's bring in our resident. Gm Ryan mcdonagh. And I want to sit here and I'll start by saying yes ryan. It's going to be really difficult for you to top around butlers interview who would just head on because he dropped a unit reference a beyond say reference and smoke a cigar in the middle of our interviews. I just want to say it's it's not looking. You're probably not gonna his interview today but we are excited to have you on because we don't want to break down this fourteen trade but I'll start there. Do you know who gives out the player of the month awards because we don't know we. We don't know why Lebron won over Daimler other. SCALPING is because the losses well good morning guys I think the League office decides that I think it's there's there's a group at the NBA League office who decides who gets the award and you know what the criteria is. I'm not sure it seemed like Lillard certainly deserved it. Some of that. I wonder if they voted for Lillard surged toward the end of the month. You've finished January on a great now and it's continued that tear into February so I wonder if that has something to do with it but I don't think it's something that teams participate in from what I remember. Teams can nominate somebody not that. The League needs nominations. But you can have your PR people reach out and say hey. Don't forget about Damian Lillard Lebron James Like anybody would forget get about those guys but I keep them in the mix for player of the month rookie of the month all those kind of things player of the week and then the league the League office on email I think they decide who who ultimately gets the awards and someone definitely dropped the ball because there's no way guy averaging thirty five points a game like Lebron and Lebron's been great but he definitely that's that's I guess you know. Hey even the League office can make a mistake once in a while. I'll let's do this then because we brought we we're bringing right on obviously as a resident GM am to give us all those sort of front office inside an impact and insider information on what this trade went last night. The fourteen deal that we described before. I'll go over it just in case anybody is just tuning being in now. We just bring up really quick rockets. Get I'm sorry. The rockets get Robert Covington Jordan Bell and the Warriors Second Round. Twenty twenty four timber wolves get Balik Beasley wants to earn and Gomez Evan Turner. Jared van Bill and a twenty twenty nets first rounder from Atlanta the nuggets get Shabazz Napier K.. Debates Diop Navan lay Gerald Green and at twenty twenty rockets. I and the Hawks get Clint Cappella. And Nee Ryan your first your first impressions of the trade. What did you think winners losers? What do you got well? My first impression. Russian was that deals this size. Really happen because think of how many different parties need to be satisfied. We afford different ownership groups. You Have Four Different Front Office and coaching staffs and a bunch of players or some of whom are healthy and playing some of whom are injured. So it's really rare. I think you have to go back to two thousand. The see the last time there was a deal decide in the NBA. And I think that involve Patrick Ewing going to Seattle Supersonics Sonics which tells you how long ago it was so that was the I thought the second thought guys is that these teams involved Summer all of the teams involved. I don't think you're done dealing. I think they'll continue. Continue to look to be aggressive. I think Houston particular needs to continue to look to be aggressive in Minnesota. I think they're loading up to continue to pursue Diangelo Russel so that was my first. I thought I understand it. From all sides involved I think Houston needs to mackerel. That center spot somehow I I get that they're gonNA play. PJ Tucker some play. Play them there some on. But I don't think that's an answer if you're playing against Anthony Davis or especially a big body guy like Nicola Yokich in a seven game playoff series so look for Houston to make another move but yeah none of this surprises surprises me. This is some of the stuff I said I was on with you guys yesterday. Keep an eye on Covington. Keep an eye on Cappella Denver with financial issues with Beasley and Hernan Gomez. So it doesn't surprise is me and like I said I I. I don't think these teams are done dealing. Who sometimes and I know it's kind of stupid to do this because everything takes time? I'm in one move leads to another move but it is clear that the hawks like really got a really good player that surround them with a AH surround trae young with the guy that really fits in well. What they're trying to do there? Yeah I thought he was the best center available on the on the markets Gal on the trademark it Given that it seems like Stephen Adams is going to stay in Oklahoma City and Clint capellas rebounding ability his running ability to be allowed threat. Four trae young like he was a for James Harden and Chris Paul at one point now Russell Westbrook in Houston. I think that's huge for the rockets me for Atlanta. The only question I have there is the fit alongside excite John Collins Collins played a lot of small ball five for Atlanta. That is left lane a little bit open for trae young and some of their penetrators. So how does it look with Collins and Cappella. Hello playing together in Atlanta. But they didn't give up a whole lot. That Brooklyn pick. I was expendable for the hawks. Given how many young players they have as we've discussed on the show that does become a saturation gratien point where you have too. Many young guys and another factor here scouts rudy. It's a week raging classes we've discussed. It sounds great to say if you're in Atlanta we're going to have seventy million dollars cap space but then when you look at a team that has one of the worst records in the league and you look at the list of free agents. You may be able to acquire if you're the hawks. That looks a lot less appealing. So I think in some ways Atlanta decided to pre spend their money so to speak. The Sila. Cappello is a good player. He's under contract for a number of years. Let's go get him. He's a position we need. We're not GONNA get a guy as good as him and the free agency especially at that price point in the cost if it costs us a first round pick and some players who weren't essential to our core then we'll pull the trigger now and not wait until right up until the trade deadline. Hey let me ask you this question real quick because so like when I look at John Collins Rim runner and you have clink appellate rim runner right. Obviously there's a forty eight minutes at the five so even if you said twenty four and twenty four you always have a rim running threat for trae young on the floor but as a as a for an office guy do you look at it like okay. How many minutes will they play together? How many minutes will we can separate them out and then late in the game if one day is John Collins playing or one day clint cappella playing late? And you always stagger on. It's like you feel like those are issues. That could come back active to bite. Let's say the front office versus or put a lot of pressure on the coach. or You just feel like hey man in a work itself out over the course of eighty two two games in the playoffs or whatever. It is for an office. You definitely have those discussions with your coaching staff. Before you pull the trigger as far as what will look like well we we start collins at the Foreign Capella at the five. Okay then you ask your coaches about the substitution patterns. Then then what do you have in mind. Lloyd Pierce going into the game. Does this cappella come out first and then collins slipped sleight of the five or does collins come out quickly and then maybe bring him back in and then Capella comes out. And then I think more importantly scalise you know it's not about who starts it's about WHO FINISHES SO I? I think the hawks at least have to feel confident. That in some lineups some settings down the stretch of close games they can play John Collins Aunt Clint Cappella together in the the front court. There are two of their three best players at this point and so I think those discussions took place. I'm almost certain they did in their different players. Collins can provide provide some rim protection. He's much better offense player in terms of his shooting enforce basing Capella but he doesn't provide the rebounding. The Capella provides. He doesn't block nearly as many his shots as Capella does. So I think Capellas a good upgrade for Houston Acme for Atlanta. And and as. I said I like him a lot. Better than the other. Free agent names in the market When I look at guys like Andre Drummond and even miles Turner in Indiana from three of the four teams? I look at it and I go all right. I understand why they did that. The one that I. I'm struggling struggling to understand it. I guess or maybe if there's another shoe to drop here is the nuggets. Now they give up me Beasley and Hernan Gomez obviously guys that play for them and you know some people like Beasley A. They're both those guys are GonNa be restricted free agents They bring back Shabazz Napier K.. Debates Diablo Abban Lijiang Green in a twenty twenty rockets first round picks on next year's first round pick. Yeah I don't know if any of those guys are really making a huge impact on them winning the West. They're making a finals run do you are you looking at this. Maybe there's another move to be made that they're gonNA try to upgrade their rotation tation like. How did you look at that for the nuggets right? Here's the road. That's how I looked at it right here. Strike financial reasons financial reasons kind of kind of like our listeners. Who Go with my weekly picking the night I think I'm like five and one that for financial reasons and I wonder if the IRS if they have to file that as expected income at this point point you know you have an income and bonuses and things like that? I think that might just be expected. I'M GONNA win. But anyways I digress so for the nuggets yeah. They have financial Angela issues. I mean the extension for Jamal Maury kicks in next year. They have Nicola Yokich at the Max Maurice at the Max. Gary Harris making eighteen million dollars a year they have of on the front lines. Some big free agents they have hitting the free agent market Paul MILLSAP. Jeremy Grant has a player option. That Allama certainly decline so so much money. They could not keep the core of their team together. Those guys were borderline rotation players a beasley. With like their nine tenth man and Hernan Gomez slightly down the totem totem pole. So those guys are both heading restricted. Free Agency they decided they could not afford to pay them something. I predicted what happened the other day on Gal pals and at the end of the day I think they feel like that first first round pick they got is more valuable than those two players going forward keeping in mind. The Denver did trade their own. First Round pick this year to Oklahoma City for Jeremy Grant so so this first replenishes their pick supply and also gives them an asset to play with over the next twenty four plus hours as they look to make another move to upgrade the roster. What message does Zen about trying to win it this year? Well Scott I think it sends a good message if they used that. Pick to get another player especially at the small forward slot. I'm looking at it. It that way. Because again th th they. They traded their first round. Pick already for Jeremy Grant the twenty two thousand. I is going to Oklahoma City so they didn't have a current. I up to play with and now getting the pick in this deal then they can go to say Memphis. I don't know what their level is of interest is large bringing back but they can shop at around like that and so my guess is they will. We'll put it in play whether they ultimately use it or not. I don't know what I think. Those guys scholars you know like in the regular season depth. Great and I think Denver has the deepest team in the League but in the playoffs playoffs. It's about your high end guys. And I think you know looking at Denver's roster and how they play would Jamal Murray and Gary Harris and we'll Barton in the back court Michael Porter. Juniors there's emergence I think pushes out a guy like Hernan Gomez out of the rotation and then they feel like they can get away with playing Torrey Craig instead of Lake Beasley. So I think that's the calculation in Denver so it's an asset in the short term but more than anything is for long-term payroll management so they don't have an astronomical payroll this way up in the luxury tax starting next year. Do you feel like this is Denver's convers like like you know. Obviously they have a window and You know they've got to players under contract but you feel like like this year specifically is maybe one of their better chances to come out of the West. Because you gotta figure like the Clippers and Lakers are going to improve in the off season and does that does that you know. Go in the back of the minds of anybody in Denver saying. Hey maybe this is the year we got to push our chips in the middle of the table. Yeah I think numbers in a good spot because they're contending team but they're also very young if you look at the core the roster starting into Cola. Yokich Jamal Murray Gary Harris all those guys I think are twenty five and under so they have a chance to be good for a long time. But you know as as you know as we've discussed in the show when you're young and good you have to pay those young guys at some point. I want to get off the rookie scale contract and then your payroll skyrockets. And LET'S BE HONEST DENVER'S NOT NEW YORK or la or one of these teams with an unlimited budget. That can just spend whatever so that. They've drafted well. They develop develop well they have to be strategic about it. Answer your questions to Rudy. I think they'll be you know cautiously aggressive and what I mean by that is I think they would use that pick upgrade their team now at the same time what will they throw all their chips into into the center of the table to try to get ahead of the Lakers and the clippers. I don't think so because I think they have a longer time line than those teams. I think two two or three years from now when Nicole Yokich is in his prime and tumours in his mid twenty s and Lebron is fading. I think that's the best chance to win an NBA championship. So I think for now will continue to be strategic if they they do keep the pick some of the benefits of that again Tim Connolly in the group and Denver's is drafted as well as anybody in the league and if you draft a guy in the first round and he can play you have on the rookie scale contract for years. which again helps with long-term payroll management mcdonagh? You GotTa help me with this little russell thing I mean. The warriors are asking for two first round picks Hicks for him on a guy. That's making twenty nine thirty thirty one million dollars in the next and he had another year on top of that. How are the warriors in a position of leverage average? Here it doesn't make sense. Let's I hate to answer a question with a question. But WHO's the next best point guard who may get traded rated over the next three to six months after the Ngelo Russell. If you're Minnesota if you're the president of Minnesota okay so yeah so that's that's a fair question. Would you rather have Chris Paul for two years after this season that forty one and forty four million or de Ngelo Russell for three years at thirty million. You know I think anybody who agree sorry. What about Spencer Dinwiddie? I'd take him over at at twelve million like he gave up two first round picks to the Brooklyn Nets with Spencer Dinwiddie beyond the move like with the nets. Take that like okay. There's gotta be better players out there than de Ngelo Russell. And I know Spencer didn't even with you might not be friends with Karl Anthony towns but he trying a win right my point even if I got d. low even if I got below you look at the teams in the Western Conference. I don't know if they're better than any. Yeah those teams I really don't I don't I'm not sitting here like Yeah Minnesota. I'm a pencil them in as an a seat in the in the in the West. I think they're still the worst team in the western conference birds even next year maybe better than Sacramento. Maybe maybe I don't get it man. I just don't get it. Well Scott I think it all depends obviously on your evaluation of Diangelo Russel in the fact that you don't think he makes an impact would push you away from a deal like that. I think in Minnesota look. They've lost over thirteen games in Arro- after starting ten and eight now the second worst team in the western conference ahead of only Golden State. Who as you mentioned? They're going to be a lot better next year when they're healthy so I think Minnesota they're they're not free agent destination. They don't have a ton of CAP space. I would imagine one of the strong motivations and doing a deal like this. Gal is moving off of Andrew wiggins salary obviously Golden State does is not WanNa take on wiggins on his own but if you can offset the money coming and the contractor basically identical both three years left after this one at about ninety million dollars for wiggins and Russell so move off a wiggins you say look. We're going to rebuild around towns Russell and then try to get a third guy alongside them. I think that's what Minnesota has a mind and also I think the fact that there there is a lack of elite free regime you lack of elite point guards available by the trade market PAYS INTO MINNESOTA looking like they may pay US pretty steep price for Dangelo Russell. Yeah I mean I I I look at you know another guy drew holiday might be on there. I'm we understand what you're saying like I'm kind of with scour as I just don't know how much he moves the needle work. What do you what do you you think like? I is there anyone outside of Minnesota though that values him that highly like where else I mean. We heard rumors about the knicks. We've heard you know potential rumors about the he'd had been thrown out there which I seem very likely at all but like outside of Minnesota who was like seems very desperate to bring him in. What is the interest like well? Here's another factor guys. Ah Scales not going to like this but the reality of being an executive in the NBA. Now if you're in Minnesota's front office and you bring in the Ngelo Russell that gives you more time with Karl. Anthony any towns that at some level in the short term at least takes the ability for towns at his age into come to you and say look we're unhappy demanded trade. We want to be traded from going public with a traitor. Uh request that diffuses that so whether that's right or not for is an executive. Obviously I don't like that and I hated being in that position but that's the reality of today's NBA were the money's guaranteed if a player's unhappy is going to get paid either way from somebody and he can make it very difficult you know. As far as if he does not want to be with a franchise and does not want to be a certain the situation. So I think the fact that bringing in Dangelo appease towns I think the fact that Minnesota now I mean I don't know who like their starting point guard his next game Jordan McLaughlin offline or you know they have a they have a huge hole there because napier was in the deal yesterday. Who I you know for me as a as a nice third guard but also I think they have to do something that that players probably not coming in the draft or if he does come in the draft? He's not gonNA help Karl Anthony Townsend short-term so that's why I think they're. They're so focused on Angela. Russel and my prediction is that Russell does end up as has a timber wolf before opening night next year whether it's over the next twenty four plus hours or in the offseason after lottery when Minnesota and Golden State both know how the ping pong balls bounce Johnson. Were there pick ends up after the lottery results so to wiggins will be in that deal going to golden state. How do you think that will do like? Ah How do you think like wiggins Jimmy Butler. He's going to be cool with those guys. Those guys are I know they're nicer. Jimmy bothered me. Bothers rubs people. The wrong Wade's little abrasive But they're not going to be okay with him. I just coasting through games right. No no and that's the million dollar question that Bob Myers and Joe like ebb and Golden State's GM and owner would be taking a gamble. As far as Wiggins. I think the biggest question where the wiggins that keeps coming up is the motor and we. We saw that he got off to a great. Start this Syria. That stretch of five or six games where he looked like an all star and everybody said why maybe he's turned the corner and then there are other nights when I watch him play thirty five minutes and have to check the box score to see what he did because because he doesn't seem to have any impact on the court and doesn't seem to play with great effort and great energy. So that's the conundrum with wiggins sky interest to get your perspective on that like other any players as you've been around or any players you've observed to union thank had a great motor. Didn't play very hard in a losing situation that were airdropped into a winning situation and all of a sudden the the switch flipped and the light turns out. I don't think so. I think I think the fabric of who you are the makeup of your character whether you'll see it in a losing situation and in also I mean I know a player could fit better. There's a fit like. Oh Yeah. He fits in really well here. But if you're not competitive I don't know how you you play at the championship level. It I just. I don't think it works like that. You either are or you're not. Don't care about winning or like let's say you're sensitive usually. There's something that we are in those high stress environments of winning it all they. That's part of the deal getting yell that every day or whatever and if that's all part of it so my guess is no. I've really experienced anything like that but I don't know maybe everyone can talk about how great it is. tremont green who yelled at Kevin durant would be totally fine with with Andre. We all right. Hey guys we're we're I wrote a time for today here. We want to get our best bets whenever begun instead. I'm going with mcdonagh. Well we'll get to that in a second but I want to remind everybody we would be back mcdonagh tomorrow. We're going to go get him just flashing the cash right there. He's five and won't listen if you want to retire early and you WanNa you know you're listening to the show. You WanNA retire early. Make sure you listen to mcdonagh and scowl mcdonagh's five in one scowls nineteen eleven one. I'm a game about five hundred. I feel like I'm okay but I'm sitting here floating trying to be in the money but before we get to our best better than I do WANNA remind everybody will be back tomorrow with mcdonagh for our trade special normal show. Eleven to one will be breaking down all the stuff before the trade deadline. Rick EUCHRE IS GONNA join US right will be back for the final hour and then at three o'clock eastern time right after the deadline and we're going to be back live both on radio dot com the radio DOT COM APP and we'll be live on twitter so make sure your body's there at Scallon POWs you WanNa Watch on twitter. Are we breaking down all the trees that go down. Right after deadlines over we'd be sticking around for about an hour or so breaking everything down. We'll have that podcast up almost immediately after that show has done. So plug is done. Let's do this. We are now guys. Ten Games collectively above five hundred forty five thirty five and one here. So we're in. We're in the money we're in the money. Big Time mcdonagh. Why don't you take it away? Do you have a pick. You like off the the top of your head. Because you're you're you're on fire at this point. You can't go wrong authority. I've been doing a bunch of radio DOT COM interviews. So I haven't looked at alliance can can you run through them real quick for first of all. Let me get to Boston. I WANNA take his line. If it's available Boston over Orlando tonight six and a half. The Celtics are favoured. Now I believe Kemba and Marcus. Marcus smarter outlaw. Right so so that six and a half points at Boston all right so this is the first game on there. I'm actually gonNA take this one. I'm taking the sons. They're three point favorites in Detroit tonight. I think they win. That game by double digits Phoenix looks good lately and Detroit's trying in the wrong direction. So that's going to be my pick golden state Actually this is CARAMBA horseback Karan's taken the nets minus seven at home against the warriors. Then we have the Indiana Pacers. They are six point. Underdog in Toronto tonight. As we just mentioned my magic it can half point underdogs in Boston. The Atlanta Hawks four and a half point underdogs in Minnesota tonight. Wow Interesting Minnesota four and a half point favorites while While they can't win any games Cleveland. One is a thirteen point underdog in Oklahoma City. Tonight that line has gone up for them. So people are Hopping on the Oklahoma City Bandwagon. Their Memphis Grizzlies four and a half point underdogs in Dallas Tonight Denver Nine Point Underdog in Utah and finally the Miami Heat are six and a half point underdogs against the clippers in La. I'm taking the Atlanta Hawks. Okay that seems like a good one. I mean Minnesota Minnesota's betting on the jockey like their mojo is up. They're excited they're arrive. We got help come in because he's not going to be playing right that's Klinka pelted. I won't play the way it works. report to the city and every player involved in the trade it has to pass a physical guys involved in the deal like nay the teams will waive the physical force. No He's not eligible to play but I look at it. 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Point Guard Rankings 2019

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Point Guard Rankings 2019

"Man, a lot of research this week. And I both spend a few hours doing our point guard rankings here, we gotta do our awards later this week it as well. So lots of pouring over stats and film and our own preconceived notions. That will never change before coming up with these ranking? So why don't we get started? Here. Anything of particular note that you wanted to get into beforehand here day quick run through of the basic criteria. It is about who you would wanna have. Theoretically, let's say there was an NBA season. Starting right now like it's October seventeenth or whatever that would be season and playoffs who you would want most for that. That means it is not a future rankings beyond that future. And if players are in the same tier that means we see them as very close to each other. It is more like splitting hairs, and then if they are in separate ears than there is a more material difference between them, and we will explain why player is or is not in a given here. When we're talking about point guards. Generally, if we put someone in the shooting guard rankings, they're not going to be a point guard. Yeah, I think a lot of it to me comes down to who you have to guard. Some of these players are not going to be guys who necessarily are are playing on the ball, especially as you get into some of the backups, but they just need to guard the opposing point guard. So that's where they get shoehorned in. But generally, you're looking at players who can run a pick and roll bring the ball up. The court have pretty decent passing vision. If you can play other positions, if you can guard other positions that obviously is going to help you also just a note if you didn't listen to our power Ford rankings. Ben Simmons was listed as a power forward there due Judah his size at and who would normally be guarding. Who what position he would be playing on most NBA teams, obviously the Sixers he plays point guard and hardiness a shooting guard. So he is not here as well. Yes. Yeah. Hard no was shooting guard. So the aiding to say or shall we get right to it all a one thing. I'll say at the beginning is at so at different positions there. Different priorities and at point guard. It is offense. I not only because if you're the smallest guy on the floor. That's something. You broadly, speaking half to do. But also because defense is less important. So now, I I consider defense here. More of a value add on the margins rather than when we the last podcast. We did was center rankings were that mattered a lot more. So even if you had let's say the same. Let's call it offensive rpm and defensive rpm, even though that's not rankings that would mean something very different at the center position at point guard. Even if you could have like Nicole yoke a center who can run your offense. And there is intense value to that having a defensively limited centers very different from defensively. Lou two point guard, and then also often simply limited point guard as well, there's a lot of flux in these rankings. Yes, the top ten a basically other than John wall. Of course, tore his achilles us. I think number six for me last year and had that surgery before that is projected miss at a minimum half next season right now, we're still going to try and. Rank him for where we think he would be projecting forward if healthy those microbes, that's what we deal with DeMarcus for for for me. It's lighter when recovered from this injury as he will recover. Yeah. Though. You know, so we're not raking walls. If we're okay, you're only getting a half season him, certainly you'd have to price in the possibility of future injuries in Russ and stuff when he does in fact to make his official return. But there's a lot of flux really below the top ten actually nobody fell out of my top ten who is in their last year a other than wall. My the guys my top ten this year were in my top eleven last year. Although there's some significant movement within that group, but then really below that level is where some of the stalwarts that we've had is solid starting point guards who are being paid. Like it really have had some difficult seasons and dropped down. We've got a younger group of guys popping up to take their place. So let's start with tier one. I'm guessing you're. Are in the same boat. As me based on what our top ten players the MBA rankings with like Steph curry alone in his own tier as the number one point guard in the NBA Noricum. It's here I didn't even do any stats listings or anything for Steph because I didn't think we needed it went through this pretty well in the top ten players podcast. He is the best offensive guy that fits that fits the subscription. You know, we don't have to get into arguments with him harden because harden is ineligible. We did him in a different position so Korea's per possession and just overall, and it's not like a lot of the other great like the next year down for me of offensive point guards are so good defensively that that would really bridge the gap. So key to me. This was a was a clear choice to have him separate from my next year down who are all very good players. But not, you know, unambiguously top five or really even unambiguously though, I had both of them in my top ten, you know, the one thing I can add to his dim Lillard and curving like Pete better ice oh players than Steph curry. Offensively. And maybe there's an argument that other. We haven't seen stuff CRA nearly as much picket role and really picket role as more important for a point guard the than eyeso- and you had to Dame is a little better in the pick enrolled and stuff about Steffi. You just have to get out at him. So far, we haven't seen stuff really in the last year before Steve Kerr, he was averaging a lot of assists. And then we have we've seen that. He hasn't had the bone his hands been more of a play finisher operating off the ball, although certainly very deadly with his hands as well. But Steph, even if you wanna see his offenses, similar Irving and Louis which thing it's not it's far above that. You know, Steph is shooting almost forty four percent for three point range Irving is about forty percent, but not the same type of volume and Daimler's at thirty seven percent still not quite the same type of volume as well, the vocals, gather pre Haibin three pointers. Steph to me is better on defense. He's better on on the boards. He certainly better as a leader than Irving Lillard is one of the best teammates in the NBA. Irving his come under fire for his locker room antics this year. So I think it's it's very clear that stuff is both better offensively and defensively than those guys are so I think that means we can get into tier two we've already kind of foreshadowed this with what we've said. But for me, the only two other guys that not only made my top ten, but we're in serious consideration for it career Ving and Damian Lillard this is a great example of the tier system. I ended up putting just like it didn't top ten players pudding Kyrie over Damian Lillard. Even though I think Lillard is superior regular season guy, just Irving's ability and proven ability to get his own shot to beat elite defenses. That's a marginal a marginal improvement for me there. And I would have no problem whatsoever. With with somebody saying I would rather have Lillard for a season and playoffs. They come there, especially with its ability element. But also just I mean, it's saying Damian Lillard is a better player that guy Irving is is a reasonable statement. Especially if you look at the talent that Lillard has had a rod. Him this season versus the talent that Irving his head around him. And you look at the offense of performances of both teams at how many games they've won. Now. The Celtics have been a little unlucky this season in terms of their point differential, but Portland is looking they're gonna finish with a record ten Boston. Which is pretty remarkable when you consider the surrounding talent. And some of that is that talent itself underperforming, but some of it also has to go to ring in end Lillard, obviously has been more durable. But you mentioned the superior playoff performance for Irving. We haven't seen him in a Boston uniform in the playoffs yet. And this is one where a guy to get splitting hairs between those two guys. I had Irving number two Lillard number three as well. But I think that could very easily change based on what happens in the playoffs. So now getting to United Irving the Lert those are like superstars Steph curry is like an MVP level guy. If you're gonna label these tiers tier three to me is guys who are all star level type players. I had five people actually in. This year. And I think you can make reasonable arguments for any of them to be at the top. But starting out this year. I actually had drew holiday at the as my number four point guard in the NBA, but close on his heels, Chris Paul, Mike. Conley. Russell Westbrook in Kemba Walker. I drew the lines a little bit differently. But it was again. This was a close difference between the tiers like there's more for me between tier two into your three than three and four. But so I'll just lay out both since it seems like it's almost the same guy. So I had Kemba Andrew holiday a little a little bit of a difference above the other guys. Conley Chris Paul, and then I had in. So you had Westbrook as well. Then I added in Eric Bledsoe. And Kyle Lowry there. They were on the edge of that next group. But it's it seems like it's pretty similar, but let's start with drew. I think he might be one that surprises people to have in this. How you haven't for haven't at five. I think that he is an underrated offensive player. It can be hard to parse sometimes because he gets to play with one of the best offensive big men in the league. You know, he gets a lot of his minutes within today this. But. But drew his Benny capable Ben. Like, a good creator in his own, right? He's ineffective score true shooting percentage of the fifty six percent this year on twenty five percent usage. Cysts plenty good. And he's to me the best defensive point guard in the NBA night in night out. And there are other guys with crazy high defensive ceilings we've seen Eric Bledsoe do it. And if you wanna draw the positional lines differently there other guys you can throw in this conversation. But that is a real value. Add and something that I I was thinking about when putting this together is drew Hollywood in some ways be an even more. It wouldn't be a more valuable defender to his team. But he could be more destructive. If the pelicans didn't have to do things like putting him on Kevin Durant. When they played the words because we don't have anybody who can defend threes. I mean, we saw that when they played Portland, and it was a team system. But drew was an integral part in stifling Damian Lillard in that sweep in the first round last year. Now, I certainly would understand arguments for why just about anybody in this tier could be at the top. That's what the tier is kind of supposed to be. The idea that you have a reasonable argument for any of these guys to be higher than the other. That's what makes up the tier IV Bledsoe in Lowry in their own to you're a little bit below these guys Lowry just not able to Crete as much with the ball as these other guys blood. So not really either blood Zo as reach a new level this series. Not really that good of a three point shooter defensively. He's really good when he's on ball a little bit Spacey when he's off ball. You know, he's a again has been in this perfect system with Milwaukee to look really good hasn't been at this level before and at age twenty nine I'm a little more skeptical of whether he could keep it up. Certainly the impact metrics for him are very good. But I think that's a lot of that is being on such a good team such good coach such good system. At Lowry is just he would have been right in there in previous years. But when you throw in his waning availability, some of the health issues that he's had and his inability to really be the main pick and roll. Engine any longer. You know, he's still really valuable player. I like what he can do defensively as a switch guy. A hoping to see more of that from Toronto in the play offs valuable shooter takes deep threes. But just not the same force that he was a couple years ago. So that's why I had him a little bit lower. He's a winning player. But he's also just not does a lot of things that don't necessarily show the impact ventures of always loved him in the regular season. He's generally not played as well in the playoffs. That's another little thing for him. I think you're overrating Kemba a little bit though. I mean, if you really look at what the stats are this series. Now a little bit below the league average intruding thirty five percent from three headed extremely hot first month or so when he was averaging like twenty eight a game on really good officiency. And whether it was that sprained ankle whether who's just over his head a defensively, I think he tries, but he's really small. So I I had him kind of towards the bottom of this group. You know, we haven't had a chance to see much of in the playoffs, and we won't again this year, but he's had a few games or got it disappears lately. And I just whether he's getting war down whether us over his head. I don't think that both establish low performance before this year, and then through that in with really his overall stat line this season aren't quite on the level of some of these other guys. I don't really think there's much of a statistical argument for Kemba over say, Mike Conley. At this point. I do in that there's a a meaningful difference. So far this year in terms of how their teams have played authencity when they've been on the four and while Mike Conley has worst surrounding talent right now, so using cleaning glasses filter taking out garbage time, Charlotte one thirteen offensive rating when when Kemp is on the floor. Memphis, one oh seven six like, that's that's a pretty significant thing. And yes, I would say Charlotte's talent. There are other starters are better than Memphis other starters. But Kemba has to do a lot, you know, only twenty percent of his twos or assisted and forty five percent of his threes. That's more in. Kind of the what actually Westbrook's threes are more assisted than that now. But it he's more in kind of that range. So he has to do a lot their their spacing issues with certain configurations, depending on who they're playing where and I think that with that load on his shoulders and also Kemba. Yeah, he's league averaged shooting this year, but he's been thirty seven percent above the three point shooter in previous years, and he's the thirty five this year. I think that's a little bit of you know, I think he's more the high thirties guy than amid thirties guy. And so that bumps it up a little bit. So for me, the reason I had him up here is commonly if you remember when we when we did this last year, we weren't sure physically, you know, how he was going to respond after after the achilles. And we're actually baby that was before the injury. I'm trying to move because we did this. We do last just like at this pretty who's in March. So that's right. We did centers early two point guards late. That's right. Okay. So so that worries about about how he's doing Krever. He's had a better year commonly has next batch of. But for me, I just trust. I trust Kemba more and defensively. At this point. I think they're they're not to two different to me as as defensive players between those two guys the one that was the hardest for me to remove from this group was Chris Paul. But what something that was really surprising to me with Chris Paul when going through it because I was I mean, my love of his game has been acknowledged for a long long time on this podcast. I had I v best player a couple years ago. And that's a lot of people is I really wanted to give Paul the benefit of the doubt. When I was like, oh, let me look at how he's doing. He's a guy that I have an agenda force. I'm like, oh, let's see. Maybe if his post all-star numbers are so much better. I can kind of right off. The thing is the slump his post all-star break numbers are basically the same as what he did before. In terms of efficiency in terms of volume all that kind of stuff. And so, yeah, it's true that his rebound happened before the break. So some of that was priced into those numbers it, I think while there's a chance that he's a better player than he has been overall this year, I'm not going to price that in as much anymore because when you're in your mid thirties. You kind of you kind of have the way the regression the progression to the mean is pulling one direction, but age related regression is pulling the other way. Yeah. I totally agree. That's where we're kind of in the same place with LeBron at this point and Paul LeBron been two of the more ageless guys that we've seen up until this year. I saw Chris Paul at number five. I think that defensively he's the best of this group. Still a other than drew holiday. And you see you would rather have Chris Paul than Bledsoe defensively. Who? Yeah, that's right. You don't have in this tears. That's not. No, I don't. But but you could still enter you do you've Paul below. What are you have Paul Ryan? I have him seventh. So I end below. I haven't below Kemba holiday Conley. And then Chris Paul, okay? Yeah. I mean, we'll see like Paul can't get to the room anymore. He still has that great passing vision. Seaward three pointer is that I really wanna see what type of playoffs he has. He does have a history of really turning it up in the playoffs compared to the regular season. Maybe he's safe. Himself. A we'll have to see how he plays me your IM giving him some credit here for past performance. Still Russell Westbrook at number seven. I think you shouldn't be a surprise to people who've listened to us all year. I did not have him on an ambi- team. Did not have him really seriously considered for the top fifteen. He's just been to damaging this year in terms of using possessions inefficiently, but he has started to play a little bit better. He's another one of these guys were already shooting it just so terribly at the start of the year that you wondered like our this has to get better, and it has to some degree. But he's also looking again at easterly regression, at least he doesn't miss games. Generally. You know, he's got that going for him. Good rebounder. Actually in transition, though, has been the same level of force to me in transition that he has been in past years and just takes a lot of bad shots in shoots his team out of it. And then defensively much was made of him being better. But to be honest, you know, I I haven't seen a huge change. And he's also getting older. So I'm he's still has difficult to post up, but he still doesn't have the same effort level. They're either at times a lot of times he doesn't get back on defense as missing layups or and the he's good for one file per game. When he thinks he gets fouled, and he wasn't gets his team to the bonus. So a lot of things that don't look great for him. The impact metrics are still largely positive for him. But you're well below where they have been this year Westbrook is sixth among point guards in PI PM right in the exact same ranges Conley. And Chris Paul they're all right about the exact same level of and RPM is definitely fallen off. He number. He's he's eleven in our PM among point guards. But tent among guys that are eligible for our list Oga. Yeah. Yeah. That's what is counting up. 'cause I they've listed harden as a point guard. Sorry, he's nine. That's right. I missed I missed the guy at number one is also not like art for this. Yes. So, you know, and that's really. When you look at the efficiency, he's at just got up to fifty percent shooting out. It's five percent worse than league average twenty nine percent from three which is actually better than it has been sixty six percent from the foul, which is so weird. He used to be a money free throws up until last year's I think he's eighty percent or over nearly every year of his career before that. And so to add onto that I looked this up. He's taking seven point two three pointers per hundred possessions. That's a lot for a guy who's making below thirty percent. He's at thirty one percent on jump shots overall and thirty seven percent on long twos. So just the jump shot as of this moment, you know, if we're looking at the whole season, and you could say he's turning around a little bit better than his jump shot. It's pretty broken, but he's still taking a ton of them Westbrook. Is there a couple of payrolls for me with harden? But I think this is instructive for for why fly in how hardness amazing Westbrook is one of the most important parts of any teams offense. Thirty one usage. Forty five assist percentage is leading the league for the third consecutive season. So his MVP year last year. Then this year, but he is a more important part. But he isn't as good enough the player and their offense isn't nearly as good, and then this year, I think there's some noise in it. But the thunder offense when he has been on the floor and Paul George has not has been awful. It's not sugar coating it there one hundred and four offensive rating when he in over twelve hundred possessions when he plays out Paul George that's twelfth percentile in the entirely it was much better. It was you know, sixty six percentile last year. That's you know, you can you can obviously roll with that. And I think that they can be better than than that. But how much better is a real concern? I mean, if somebody is not the best offensive player on his team and is taking the shots that he is like he is the best player in the team. It's going to hurt them. If you're below average efficiency, and you also just wonder with his athleticism starting to wane. I mean, he's has not gotten to the basket. I mean, some of these games that he's had maybe those games where it wasn't feeling well or whatever, but he's head games where you know. He takes fifteen jump shots in two shots at the rim. It goes like four hundred seventeen he's not able to make up for the fact that he's shooting at poorly with that pure voice part of that is casinos or backing off more. He's a really damaging off ball player at this point in time teams just to knock guard him off the ball at all in the half court. So this I mean, a put it this way I'm concerned that I might have him too high more than that. I'm concerned, I might have to look, and he is actually the reason why I ended up with blood sewn Lowery in this tier is that I couldn't make maybe what I should have done. It split all three of those guys down that might have been the way to do this. But I because I was sitting there with Bledsoe now. Yeah, let's a less. He's a less dynamic offensive player than rusted his best. But a Bledsoe is significantly better defender at this point and Westbrook Leichhardt in he has these highlight moments. I think that obscures all of the low light moments that become a problem. And so for more casual people or for those who are looking for positives to try to make that argument. You have those highlight plays same with LeBron last year. I think that was another example of this. If like, oh, look he's still makes those makes them chase down block. Or that time he bought John is at the rim. But it obscures just the possessions where he like makes one swipe and then just gives up an easy layup like those sorts of plays, and they have a lot of players who can clean up messes on this Oklahoma City team, which has a lot of really good defenders on it and lets you know, he's a a lower usage guy. But if you're lower usage, and can then see those possessions to somebody who is Greg not everybody's going to have what Milwaukee does. But there are a lot of good offensive players in the league right now. I think overall that's creating a better circumstance and the value added. Russell Westbrook is materially better passer than Bledsoe. The difference there to me is matters. But it doesn't matter as much as the fact that you could just bait Russell Westbrook or just he maybe he's just having that night. Where is not feeling and as you said like four of seventeen where fourteen of those jump shots, are we gotta get to what I think will be the most fluid and controversial section of this list. But I need to tell you about my friends at Indochino, the world's most exciting me to measure. Menswear company. That's what the copy says. I think that they are exciting. Because finally, it's accessible for you to get something that fits you. 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And so this group ended up being overwhelmingly, it's my mind is floor guys players that were not even in serious consideration for the top twenty last year. So it's big risers, but players that have established themselves in various. Forms as being really important to their team's success. Even though most of their success as a team has been modest, and I'll just go through all four of them. There will be anger with some that are included. There will be angry with some that are not included. I I don't care this group for me is the Aaron FOX Jamal Murray, Spencer Dinwiddie and trae. Well, that's very interesting, and we do not touch each other about these rankings beforehand by eleven through thirteen is the exact same as yours deer and FOX Trebol Marie in the same order. Yeah. In the same. I spent so much time thinking about this. This is hilarious that that's the way. I I will say I stop really stressing about the order within the tier after the top ten or so this is the last one where I stressed about the order. Yeah. Now, this is funny. So I thought this to your five guys who are above average, Spencer Dinwiddie. I'm sure many will be very surprised to hear him above the ngelo. Russell. I did put the ngelo Russell in the tier number fourteen, but below Dinwiddie in there really other than the fact. That Russell starts. There really is not any kind of disco argument that you own I wanna have an extended diangelo Russel conversation. But I think we should talk about the other guys. I just hope you have them above FOX. Maybe a part of this is that we're looking forward here. I have a little bit concerned that he might be getting slightly overrated that maybe shooting is not quite as good. I do think that what he does for the transition game. I mean, he's a top two or three transition point guard in the NBA be up there. I think with Steph and Westbrook, and those are really I can't think of anyone else really who would be up there. So you might even be close to number one. The the way he pushes the ball. And how fast he is. Maybe trae would be up to actually I did move trae out of here. I mean, I do think he's a big time positive on offense. At this point in time. The reason I didn't have this year is just that is hard for me to make the argument asserted that he's better than Dangelo. Russell right now. Russell morrison. For thirty six minutes. Better three point percentage trait does get to the following mortgage to the rim a little bit more. But as bad as Russell's defenses, and I think it's horrendous still he's gotten sub pub some pub for improving it, I haven't seen. I mean who started for such a low baseline? I guess we'll say that even having a little bit more effort doesn't do much for you. But trae is like just so much worse, man. Just generally at me, he's one of the worst defensive players in the league if not worst. Yes. So in terms of high minute guys and just the general principle that rookie is just aren't good at don't help you win. I mean, he's fighting against that. Do you want my argument because I thought of this I just smelled partially again. This was the kind of wanted to think of what in what what it was for me was the structure of their criteria. And it was remember we're starting to season. Now, I think trae young as a way better player right now than where he started season also has more appropriate surrounding talent which has helped in terms of evaluating him properly. And I. One of the rationales I put for having deer and FOX of the top of this group was the value being tone center. And I think that during FOX's an incredibly useful tone setter four Sacramento helps give them a lot of their offensive identity and also part of their part of their defensive. I'm still surprised and Yeager obviously a lot of guys get credit for that in terms of them being better defensively than I anticipated and I much prefer trae young as a tone center because I think he is a better passer. I think he is more willing passer. And because when I watched the hawks and some of this is because brussel has a better backup than trae young does 'specially now that gerbil in swear. But the hawks Luke like a completely different team in a good way. When trae young is on the foreign some of that is, you know, cross related factors like having guys like John Collins out there, and especially now that he plays a lot with Kevin herder who helps their space saying, you know, these other things and and deadman oftentimes when he's available with the nets not only is it the effectiveness part of this. And I want to talk about that too. But the feel of the team like when I watched the Dinwiddie lead. Nets to me that looks more like an MBA offense more like a sustainably successful team than Wendy ngelo. Russell does it end the numbers absolutely bear that out. Well, it's I think if you could guarantee me that the other team is gonna play conventional pick and roll defense and they have a slow center and they're gonna play dropped coverage. I might prefer Russell he gets up. More three points shoots in a little higher percentage than Dinwiddie, obviously doesn't get to the rim at all. I think I think he's doing what he is an underrated passer, but the statistics have borne that out as much what he also has played off the ball and a lot. Times they go to him when the other team it is switching he's playing with some of the backups slow. The nets have a good backup unit. So I don't think that hurts him as much. I think in many ways it actually helps him because he gets to play against inferior competition. Like that was something one of the thought experiments, I dealt with this was if the only change you made with the Brooklyn nets was swapping their minutes. How different would they look I think it would help brussel a lot because he playing against worst defensive lineups. We'll Dinwiddie is closing games. Not that's kind of where I ended up going with Dinwiddie over. I'm there see. What we'll so Russell. I mean, I think he's the superior passer. He can't do anything against us which and if we want to throw a trae young into this discussion to and think there is an argument that trade is better than than Russell right now. Russell also has some health concerns, which he stayed healthy this year, but you know, in previous years these head he had a knee surgeries has some knee issues. He's slow, you know, I think he's he's he can shoot the three. But he's not a fast enough in transitioning doesn't push the ball. So do I want to say it you ought to trae young? Both Russell and young have been playing a lot better over the last two or three months. Yeah. I both Russell and for young. And for Colin Sexton who this gonna come up for two. I can't completely discount their first couple months of the season. Just say, oh, even though we're starting the season right now. That means they're likely to just continue playing at the level that they have. Now Russell we'll see is going to be in the playoffs. So as Dinwiddie those guys can really boost their ranking here if they play while, you know, a lot of these guys haven't sniff. Playoffs. None of these guys been in the playoffs. Actually, a that. We're talking about here you could throw Murray and FOX in there, also so yeah, it's definitely splitting hairs maybe I should have had young in there, especially if we're looking forward, but I also just like art. He's a rookie point guard. And yeah, he's putting up numbers, and he's really helping the hawks offense. And I do think that he's special. But when you just look at some of the executions also young turnovers. Oh, yeah. Very concerning Absalom again, he's tone that down some as we've gone on here. And he's he's been a big positive effect. I just couldn't quite go there with rookie versus some of these guys who are little bit more salvage even if they haven't been in the playoffs either. But I totally understand why you could have young above Russell couple things on. Angela Russell why did why first of all I think is three point shooting Israel. He's taking a ton of them. Thirty six percent is in line with ways before the mechanics of a shot. Look great. And I I have no position to if he I wouldn't be surprised if he does something similar to this moving forward over the next couple years, maybe even improve overtime. Has many guys have you take that? And you consider that end it is important to acknowledge and he's capable as, you know. He's a good pick and roll operator, especially when the other team isn't switching sixty seven th percentile there as a score and sixty fifth. I think overall including passes middle of the road nice relations. So you take all of that. There's some real positives with him. Daniel Russell has thirty two usage rate and fifty three percent shooting despite those threes, and the reason why is because he never gets to the free throw line, and he never gets to the basket. And when you think about not only is he shooting that percentage of threes from volume he's also shooting fifty three percent from ten to sixteen feet a rate that you wouldn't expect from basically, Eddie buddy, you know, that's really really good. And it's way higher than his previous numbers or anything like that. So even if he tones down to like forty nine percent, which is still insanely good. That's a pretty big drop off when you take a bunch of mid Rangers. Like he does. So this is some of what he's doing could be built on unsustainable Madrid shooting, right? And so when you look at a player who is at the. Hi watermarks and a lot of these different shooting more threes than he ever has making a high proportion of them as he has in previous years. And then the other parts of it are not anomalous him. Never getting to live never getting the basket. Those those are not new things, and he still below average as an efficiency go. We'll he's a really good passer. Not only the this year, bro. And this is why it's good because the offense we flew into look at percentiles rather than overall totals because the league's offense has changed on this year. The nets are forty I percents Ellen offense. When the Russell's on four that includes minutes within we'd and everything else you like forty one forty I percents below average not that not terrible. But but not great that is basically tied with his second year at the Lakers as the best any of his teams is ever done offensively with Russell on for. And and some of this is because he's been playing over his head as a starter when he wasn't good enough to be. And so that makes the you know, like as a Laker. So this makes it a little bit unfair. But one note this every single team digital Russell has played on had a better offense when he's been off the fourth and when he's been on. That's just kind of it's not definitive. I'm not saying. That makes him bad. I haven't number fifteen, but it's a warning sign basically saying, maybe we should be accounting for some of this. And so his counting stats are ridiculous. But the rather part of that is people who are the low level of affective nece. The intro. Russell is don't take this many shots, very often. So yeah, he's scoring twenty one points a game. But guys who are who have fifty three true shooting. Don't get to shoot. This many shots per game. Went back and looked at it. They're only seven times over the last five years that played with over thirty usage at this low true shooting, and their you know, a couple of Westbrook seasons. Dennis shooter last year, those types of things because the players and remember this is the best he's ever been affected from fitness point. They don't get that. So that's why the counting stats are really misleading for him. He's getting the opportunity and he's doing his thing with it. But it's not an opportunity that is presented to many guys. Donovan Mitchell is incidentally, possibly going to join this group, so more Dinwiddie people guys never even started before. Like, what are you talking about number thirteen point guard in the NBA fifty eight percent shooting? Let's go down a little bit thirty. Five percent from three take some very difficult attempts. Most of those are off the drill. So sore Russell's obviously, but did decouple in from Russell. But Spencer, Dinwiddie shoots. More free throws per one hundred possessions than any point guard in the NBA nine point one free throw times per one hundred possessions is a demon Lord second highest at e point nine, Mike. Conley incidentally is third at eight point six which is incredible. For a guy who never gets the basket mean the fact that he's able to bullshit out that many free throws and boost percentages. There is pretty good now Dinwiddie twenty-five usage, Russell thirty two. That's a big difference between those guys you know, he does throw some some good passes. But he also does not quite the every down distributor has been accused of being selfish a tiny part of that is due to his role. But and the fact that he's most prominently playing at the end of games teams are switching and they just have to go to because they don't have anyone else who can do anything defensively at the he's I'd say about averages im-. Impact metrics is rpm in particular is awful this year on defense. But watching him I don't really see anything to support that last year. He was wasn't bad and generally has been healthy than a thumb injury in his MBA greeted of that he tornadoes Yellen college, but that's quite in the rear view mirror. We have discussed Jamal Murray at all he's another one who statistically hanging out. It's it's a little dicey me. He's kinda in that Russell level of officiency, not the level of distributor that Russell is a, you know, has this reputation as shooter, but has been taking as many threes this season that hasn't been going in for him a quite as much so Murray up to thirty seven percent or three as usually started terribly. So that's a less of a concern. Now as the euro's gone on doesn't get to the foul line. A whole heck of a lot either do think that being with Nicole Yokich. And then also some of these other guys that you'll play a lot with Monty Morris. Bill play a lot with with Barton. Gary. Chris would get the pick and roll opportunities in the past. Does that hurt our perception of him or help our perception overall? I think it it probably helps because you just gets to take easier shots. He doesn't have to think about the stuff that the ngelo Russell has to do. You know, he has to take a lot more of those kind of challenging late clock things and Yokich can he can create more. All's obviously Murray also gets the opportunity to to do more off ball cutting and those kind of actions, which generally produce more efficient shots than something. You're doing off the dribble unless the other teams defense really sucks that said what the part that runs. The other way in part of why this is compelling is that he also gets less credit for a VAT of dramatically more successful offense. Even when Murray has played without Nicola Yokich they've been one eleven offensive rating. That's that's pretty good. It's not amazing. You're not setting the world on fire. But that's more. A better example of when he's running the show as you mentioned there other guys that can be both dominant that he plays with. So I think it's the answer's probably both. But I would say overall. Just it helps him because he gets to take easier shots and that helps and it does or does this percentage. But when we think about a player's offense. Like that kind of stuff I think doesn't resonate as much as the eye test of oh, man. It seems like he's making every shot in existence. I do think that to the extent bad shots at the end o'clock need to be taken for Denver. He is the one who does that they run a lot of stuff where it's true they try to try to get guys involved. But if it doesn't work, you know, they're gonna throw it to him when he's in the game. I think he actually has really improved his ice. Oh game. I do think he could be a on another team. I'd be interested to see his efficiency, really cratered. I'm not sure how much he benefits from playing with Yokich. He'll do some of that DA. Joe stop and he'll get dimed up every once in a while. But I do think his main role on this team is to create jobs off the dribble doesn't has gotten as many Rupp's and pick and roll. This is Denver that actually doesn't have that much spacing in it starting unit. You know, especially with the way some of. Of their support players of shot the ball this year. So I would like to see if him get more opportunities as a spread pick and roll type of operator. And so I think he could actually look better on another team that needed him to do more. But you do I wish that in the slightly smaller rolling at twenty five percent usage. So I do wish he could be a little bit more efficient either shooting the three little better getting the foul line a lot more. Yeah. I think that's maybe if he had the ball and his hands more you learn the tricks a little bit more. But you know, these are got you could make these kind of arguments and excuses for a lot of players, you know, so perhaps he he's a player that I've liked me were overrating him a little bit due to his skill level in the aesthetics of his game. But he's also, you know, he's been a high usage player on the team. That's done real. Well, and there's really if you're going to look at the guys below him who falls into that category? Really? It does part of the reason he's decided that it gets to be a weaker group here as. You get into the teens, you know, perhaps than it's been in the past or you don't have guys like drug it and Teague these guys who are long George hill when he was going well a couple years ago guys who are long time established starters were solid pick and roll operators. Like, you don't really have that guys who've been in the playoffs mean. Okay. You don't have that group really anymore. The way you used to now and the end the young guys that have made the rise. It's a little bit different. And then there there isn't necessarily a next group behind him. There probably will be we'll see what guys like on Sexton. Do how weird is it that the kind of the guy who have the least question marks about in? This group is the guy who is a second year player who was just awful by a lot of measures last year DeAnne FOX by every measure. Yeah. I mean, he was rpm just just sieve last year. And another thing why Jared FOX is at the top of this year for me is that I think he's the best defensive player this group by a pretty decent merging. And I think he'll get better with time. Dimwit he's probably the next closest didn't what he has size and he's done pretty job. And then Russell and Murray or negatives. Trae young it's abysmal. So that's an advantage. I would not put Murray and Russell in the sink Marie is way better defensively than Russell. Okay. I I'm not I especially like like this. I using up like bubble getting over screens. I I mean, Marie as limited. But I don't put him anywhere close to as bad. As russell. I'm not gonna fight that too. And with and with Russell, I just wanna see it. We'll get a better sense of that in the playoffs. They're probably gonna face a good a really good offensive plink card in the first round. So we'll get a good sense of that. But I think we can we. So I ended up just for the sake of bookkeeping our discussion, I'm realizing how close it is between Dinwiddie trae. And Russell I moved Russell back into this year. I had him. There originally I shouldn't have I was just angry and moved him down. I shouldn't have done that. So he's if he's fifteen he's in this year, and we can so I think we've talked about those guys enough to get into the next room that I had what I the label that I put on them was sell it. But unspectacular starters, and that's players who are you. You're not going to say, oh that guy. You know? Maybe something you could say would be better as a backup. Just because almost everybody would be. But if you have money team they're going to start in. But you're probably looking for an upgrade if you want to be a really really competitive team. Yeah. And my it's it's six guys all of whom are veterans Ben in the league for a while. Ricky Rubio Goran drug edge Darren collison, Jeff Teague Patrick Beverley and a provident riser. Among the veteran group DJ Augustine this Certa get hard to really classify at this point in time. Because there's a group of four guys that actually had lower tier I had trae young at number fifteen he didn't really fit in in theory with the other three guys in this next year from his by fifteen three teen Beverly Fred vanfleet who I realized as not been starting. But you know, I think he's really good defensively. He runs a big really can pass he can shoot threes. I mean, his his big week is just that he can't get by one one on one in campus at the rim. So he's unspectacular. In that way. But you know, I think he's a guy who could be a really good support peace next to a team that has a quiet Leonard, you know, or another Baldoni guy like derozen last year. Those guys have value in your your were now getting into the portion here where you've got this group of guys who can run pick and roll. But not as affectively and run the offense is effectively as the guys above them. But can still do that and can still create shots and that has value especially on some of the lesser teams in the league. Or you've got the guys who are considered the ball, maybe can defend got some two way ability. But also are not really if they're the guy. That's really the main engineer your offense. You're not gonna be any good. You know? So how you balance between those two types of guys. You know, I think the guys who are a little bit more often all players shooters defenders those guys work better on winning teams. But you throw them on a losing team. And you wouldn't win as many games as if you had some of these other guys. So I had that group a Beverly vanfleet and Rubio above. This other group guys that I labeled can they stay healthy? And I had Gordon drug. It's Jeff Teague Dirk rose and John wall in that group where any of those guys. Yes, even rose. Although, you know, his health is a major concern even this season. Those guys would probably be better than that group of guys above them. But when you throw in the the health concerns, the decrease performance age, they're just too many question marks to have them above these steadier guys in my opinion. That's fine. I just I kind of price that in a little bit. Maybe I understand. Why you're you're splitting hairs I I guess VIN Wli. Maybe it's we should talk about. So I I have I have sub tier I think which is kind of going to bridge the gap between these were I called it. Yeah. I guess where it's like guys that are starters. But I've just less enthusiastic about it. And that group kind of covers some of the other guys that you mentioned. So for me, that's Fred vanfleet, Derrick rose, not in order, Reggie Jackson and Dijon Murray. I think John Murray would have played his way above this. If he had been healthy by he didn't. So he did. And that it's kind of for me. That's where. Extrapolating Dejount Marie in sixteen seventeen. Sorry seventeen eighteen to this theoretical season. That was going to start like I could imagine him being a lot better. We saw his jump shot improving in in preseason. So they're definitely some encouraging signs there. But yet that group of guys that are there talented, and to me those guys are better than the next group down that I had was I called it solid backups starters. And usually that was guys that are flawed enough on one end of the four oftentimes for me, those were guys that were better defenders than offense players were there teams that just can't start them. Like, Cory Joseph is a great example here. I love core Joseph. I love his defense. But there's a whole subset. There's whole set of teams in this league that can't start him because he can't create enough reliable offense. Now, there are other ones where he's a wonderful fit. You talked about as with Findlay. Incidentally, you know, those guys have have played on the same team. And all that other stuff. I have a lot of former Spurs in these categories as well, so yeah, that we drew the lines differently. But I think the thought process is pretty similar. Yeah. I had been bleed above Joseph because of his shooting ability. You know, there's a little bit more plug and play, adaptability. There. I also had a group that was next year. I did that DJ in this. He doesn't really fit with the other guys as kinda young guys who if we take the next step that we project for them you could move into the solid starter category. And that is Derek Whyte Tajani Murray coming back from the though important not to overrate where he was I think he was you know, was not shooting the three at all last year. There's hope that he was going to improve. He tore the AC L. Obviously of the two point jumper was coming along a little bit. But like when I saw him last year wasn't really working on the three pointer. So he's got a long way to go in terms of his adaptability to other systems, but it's looking like a defensive monster and has a lot of athleticism, but the end is young enough with the tornado that I don't expect it to materially affect his future other than just you know, he lost a year. Development time and Lonzo ball is in there. And while he stayed largely healthy in his career. Unlike some of these other guys, Dirk wiping in there to whose heads emissions with its foot Terry Rozier, just because of some of his performance declines this year, I had in this group too. I I'm not ready to declare him as a solid starter. He's kind of right on the borderline. But he he is someone who has some of that plug and play, adaptability. And not a good passer. He's not good finisher. But he can't shoot the ball. And he also is a very solid defender an athlete. Okay. So how how I did it up a little bit different for me. It was more thinking about minutes. I thought about more in terms of minutes per game. So it was guys that my next group was players who you're probably more comfortable giving them between. Let's say fifteen to twenty five. But if you have to scale them up, you wouldn't be super thrilled about it. But you probably could end it's a bigger group. It was my twenty six to thirty nine guys, but I'll rattle through them pretty quickly. We'll talk about some of them some of them you've already mentioned, but I'll just just they're all out there, Saturday Ascii, Cory Joseph, John. On wall that that's my projection on where he'll be after recovering. He could end up being tier to higher. I'm just not sure yet ones. Oh ball, Derek Whyte, Patty mills Monty Morris? Ishmael Landry Shamet Elford Peyton shea. Gilders? Alexander Chris done, Jeremy Lin, and Colin Sexton. A couple of those guys could end up playing their way beyond this pretty quickly couple, and I don't think too many guys can play their way out of this group because there's more of a lower end catchall. But just guys that you know, I think that's a pretty good description where you're you're totally you're going to have them in your rotation if they're under team, no hesitation there. But you probably don't wanna give them starting minutes. But you might be forced to. Yeah. I differentiate between what I called solid backups, and if he backups, and then I also had a group of guys at the very bottom that I looked at it as guys who would actually probably hurt most teams because they're either so bolt on a minute or the can't shoot or the bend your whole style. Or they just kill your defense of so many actually be. Interesting to talk about those guys. I so he here's what I had in that group. And then we can kind of parse out who we think of solid backups versus a not great backups. So here are the guys that I looked at as guys who actually are like are hurting your team if your most you know, if you're a team with a really bad offense. Maybe you just need someone like this to just create shot. So that your offense isn't just totally hopeless and it just runs so I had Colin Sexton there, if Sexton continues playing the the ways play the last month and a half or so he gets off this list lisp quickly. But the overall impact metrics and the usage for the entire year are atrocious of knees last in all of the impact metrics PI PM RPM a lot of that comes down to defense. You know, his offense is getting better be still in the negative on offense for the whole year. He's also still not distributing. Yes. He's become a way more effective individual score. But he's not passing it about more. He's not creating more value that way, which is I think for me having him in the solid backup category was a pretty big victory. For Sexton over where he started the season. Yeah. So other guys I had in this category. Dennis Smith, you know, another guy who gave me he just actually the some of the impact by tricks on his defensive improve this year. I'm not really buying that. I don't know why there'd be much better. Especially in some of the situations that he's been in you throw in. Also, the fact that you kind of forced his way out of Dallas, his shooting is very iffy. A little better than some of the guys on this list. At least in just has made to be efficient. Also said some health concerns rachana Rondo is on this list for sure one of the worst defensive point guards in the NBA at this point impact metrics have been awful really the last four or five years yet one year that was okay drink think was last year. He's shooting the ball better from three but not enough volume and team still don't guard him. He's still dominates the ball. He can't finish the Remmy never gets the foul line. He's not a positive other than just as an assist guy. But that's really more. You'll he's not creating the opening for guys. He's kinda standing. Top throwing it to guys use a great entry passer. But overall, I mean, you just can't other than looking at the assist line in the box score. You can't make an argument that he's a appears not hurting you at this point. I l I Peyton is kinda like many Rondo at this point, which is ironic that he took Rondos place on the pelicans. Isaiah Thomas budget pains me to say is in that category. Until further notice, Emmanuel moody and other guys these guys who just are not efficient. Take a bunch of shots dominate the ball and yard just dragging you down. Dennis shooter. Also is in that category. For me where I mean, just seeing you mentioned how bad Oklahoma City was without Paul George on the floor, and Russell Westbrook there. They had to start playing Westbrook. More apart from George because the shooter lead backup units were totally failing. You wanna get? He's a huge usage guy right around. Fifty percent true shooting has been for most of his career supposedly another guy who got better on defense this year. But I haven't seen eight has taken some charges, a liability, but more active as a help defender this year, but still, you know, not. So I look. At as a huge plus defensively. So that's that group there and I did put sex in that category. Though, you I think he if he continues to play well can get out of that. What do you think of my characterization of those guys it seems fair? There will be a lot of teams that just don't need what those guys can bring and then there'd be others that really do. I mean, it's sort of a similar shoe to wear the point guard starter position drops off as it is before thirty. But it is. But there are guys that other positions that can fill a lot of that role. I think it's kinda the same with backups. So the hope is that there are enough slots for those type of guys, but bringing out the fact that they're different that they don't succeed in all circumstances is reasonable, and I ended up being more negative on those type of guys overall just because their lack of plug and play to me that means first of all that means fewer teams interested from minutes perspective, but also from a dollars perspective. And I'll just mention it. My last group what I called rotation worthy. Really what that was for me is guys that you wanna give minutes to and also I thought it was a good differentiator. For guys that would give guaranteed money to like, there's a group of players below that where it's like, maybe it's a question that they're getting into it oughta that's young players that should get a lot better. But really, I think it I think it went from like, I didn't count it out. But it was like forty like fifty two or something like that. And that's about right in terms of how many capable backup point guards. Plus starting are in the league. So we wanted to go through my differentiation here. And you could just probably give a sentence or two each of these guys and built Brita stop me if you're insubstantial disagree. So here's my list of solid backups. And I'll give my list if you back actually going deeper on this group than it some positions. So my solid backups. Some guys who have Evan starters. But ideally, you'd want them to sell saw back up during Carlson, opiates it. Well from three never gets enough. I'm still say versatile enough jump shot not a plus defensively because he he's too skinny and does a really distribute a Reggie Jackson actually shot at better from three and averaging ten three point. Per hundred possessions, all of a sudden, which is a pretty high number to get into double digits there. But he's a choice defensively. You know, they always put him on the worst of the three perimeter guys. Even when you've got like, Wayne Ellington, Luke Kennard, and they've nobody else really. And he's still by far the worst of that group and his ability to get to the basket as been the same since those knee and ankle issues that he's had hasn't been as a passer, but the three point shooting is valuable, and he has some size Monty Morris as exploded on the scene this year. Maybe a little overrated at this point in time due to what he was doing early in the season impact metrics are not amazing formula to kinda got him pegged around being a normal backup point guard type of player. Other one of these guys who shot a good percentage from three but not high volume knows how to run pick and roll absolutely never gets the foul line. Absolutely. Never turns it over and defensively seems about average or so it Smith team always seems to play better when he's out there than his individual metrics didn't Katie has gotten. A little bit more with refinery. He does push the ball in transition a lot, which is helpful for this Detroit team. He does close some game sometime. I think he's our solid backup that contract. It's actually worked out a little bit better than I thought it would Jeremy Lee, we know where he that ios three point shooting is really cool off since become a raptor Shah's. Napier has been third string in Brooklyn. But his filled in just as capably as we thought solid shooter pick and roll guy undersized on on defense. You know now to starting level a player, but it can fill incapable a backup. Cory joseph. We talked about all ready, and these guys aren't necessarily all in order either Dhillon. Right. We haven't mentioned the three point shooting bolt in terms of volume and percentage is Robbie's under thirty percent shoots. One of the lowest three point attempt rate among this group appoint guards, but has really nice sized defensively a shark in the passing lanes, very crafty finisher, not a starting level a guy. But again, you'd be happy with the south backup. Thomas Renske, another one of these guys who shoots it well from three but not a high percentage. And but he just knows how to play is not a great individual defender of very good team defender plays hard has some size athleticism consensual bit, Patty mills great shooter, but undersized, but a solid point guard option. He's kinda waned a little bit on defense as he's gotten older. Jalen Brunson has been a really nice prize. After a terrible summer league. He's got ruggedness size can get to the rim to some degree even visa was just strength. He's distributed while he's been I think a tough guy on defense shot it better than we thought. He was I think he ease looking like a solid backup point guard going forward South Korea's at forty percent for three not attritional point guard. But I mean when you're shooting at that well on that type of volume, you're certainly a capable backup Brin Forbes kind of same thing is a little better defensively than curry. But not a pick and roll guy. But shoots it really well from three be a complimentary guy, even though he's starting I think of it more as a pack of Tyler Johnson, the guy who maybe is above some of the people on this group, but just can't shoot or I'm sorry heads been able to stay. Healthy enough. Am know I think defensively better he can shoot the three. You know, he's somebody who could maybe fit in the starting role. If you could ever stay healthy for long enough. A what I want to ask you about? I it might have just been that. I missed it. Did you mention shea? He was a hard guy for me to play. Sometimes. Yeah. I did not mention him. I meant to put him in there in my notes. I put him in the ONA do have been there. I have them in the if he backups category. Okay. Now with which you know, another thing rookie point guard. He's someone who I think could get a lot better. But he's just a really really difficult fit right now because while a shot thirty percent from three the volume is extremely lonely three per one hundred possessions that very low compared to where some of these guys are, and you know, his pick and roll game. He's not gonna put a ton of pressure on the rim. He's kinda crafty and get two spots. He can shoot at mid range. I think he can be a plus defensively. Soon though, I'm always skeptical of rookies there. So the impact dramatic metrics have him very low. You know, he's in the three hundreds of NPA PM part of that's because he's. Played with starting group for the clippers. That's been pretty limited. You know, he's playing with Gortari. He's not doesn't play as much Lou Williams. Encloses some games on occasion of and certainly a promising player. But I think if we're talking about what he actually is right now, I don't wanna go to crazy about it. Especially due to the vet that he's a really tough fit due to his ball, dominance, not being particularly efficient and not being able to shoot the three when he's off ball. I'm trying to think about if there is if there's anybody else that we that we really need to discuss. Yes. I mean, did you have anyone that you felt would be kind of a solid backup that I didn't mention that that you're higher on. Maybe I've got another group of guys who are kinda like all right? You know, there are decent as a stopgap backup point. So that it's it's funny because I brought up shade at other guys that I had a challenge with. But I had in this group just because he's so damn good as a shooter a sham it. I mean, I just chimps shooting. Okay. Fine. I'm fine with that. Yes. All right. You see play it's possible. Because I don't think we talked about him in the shooting guard. So he'll put him in. It's yeah. It's weird that he is. And we did shooting much earlier to exactly so like he hadn't played enough at that point for us to really talk about him. So maybe I included impartially for that as well. And also, the clippers are running this three guard rotation and it gets a little bit confusing to try to ascertain rules for all those guys. Yeah. I mean, I think you, you know, as a starting shooting guard, he's so we would talk about on the shingles a little bit more. But yeah, I mean, I know he's listed as a point guard on on ESPN, and he was talked about as a point guard going out. And I think that's what that's what Philly intended for him. I mean granted again, I think Philly intended for him to defend blink arts not to run their offense. That's part of the reason I used that distinction. Yeah. I think so biggest risers and fallers here for you. Dear. And FOX I mean is is the most prominent one I mean that's going from going from being like, I think I had it been one of the fringe. Cheers. Just because I liked his game back to when we saw him at the hoop summit. But not not like, oh, he's playing. Well, right now, he's an important one. Drew holiday took another rise. He went from tier three two zero three two now. But that's like I think you went from like nine to five that's a pretty big jump in terms that significant in terms of significance. No, I think I think I did not like sixteen or seventeen you are higher on him last year than I was trae young, obviously. But he wasn't in the league last year de ngelo Russell, I mean pretty big jump for somebody that you, and I are both lower on almost everybody that like he's been better than we expected. But we're still lower on him the than most of the right? I think I think that's fair Augustine notable riser. I mean, and I always like it when veteran we talked about this with his team mate Nicola vich yesterday. Vuckovich sorry that. I like it when veteran really shows a lot more and those guys both been so integral to Orlando success this year. I mean, Derek Whyte just proving it a little bit more. I've really liked his defenders rose Derrick rose. Yeah. Another good one. Now, still obviously some health concerns there. Let's see if there's a else. Monte Morris was off the radar. We didn't even talk. He us on a two way last year. We didn't talk about him last year. Now, he's has certainly Assad backup that they can feel good about going forward about followers Westbrook. I mean going from. I think you went from six to nine for me. That's up. Yeah. That's that's an important drop. And I mean, we'll we'll see whether that continues. It might just be that I'm selling stock too early. I don't think so that's my instinct on it right now. Larry dropped from. I think seven to ten it's another important one. And this and ten might be the high water Mark for him the rest of his career. Like, I might just be again my job. It's hard to see how he just can't do enough. I'm. I'm fine with him being ten right now. But I'm acknowledging that if like when we do this year for now, it wouldn't surprise me at all these further down on the list and possibly significantly so drug drudge last year was about a six months or whatever off of having pretty damn good season. And now it's been a year and a half since that season. I think that hurts them a lot t- t- had had really lost season view as oh. Yeah. Fourteen last year with just a thought that maybe he could get back to the low that he had been as respect for what he had done the previous year. But you're now with having missed all this time. And yet granted it didn't get much auditioned in Denver. But didn't didn't seem like he was anywhere close to being back. And you know, I mean, maybe he could get back to being sort of a six man score type at some point in his career. But yeah, I mean, he's he's not in like top sixty point guards right now. And that for me, there's another group artsy disguise that I wasn't really sold on before. But they had done stuff. And I'm just more clearly salary on them. That would include Dennis Schreuder, Chris done. Terry rose. Zere Elfriede Peyton probably to a lesser degree. Because I was just a little run him originally. So we didn't have as far to fall if either shooter too Big Joe, I mean, I had him and kind of like low twenties range now I have missed like one of these guys clear negative because he'll the thought was already just he he's got it was the point starting point guard on a playoff team for Lanta the previous year, then you felt like he's just on such a bad team has to do so much. You know, they're taking a cetera that they held him out of gains and art can eat. We didn't like the contract. We didn't like the Carmelo trade especially giving up the first round pick. In addition to take on a contract that we didn't care for and heal. Yeah. They got off the Mela, money, etc. But you give up the first runner and take back shooter. It seems like to get off the Mela money. Maybe one of those two things I would have been warranted. We'll note is not specific the opportunity cost of having him in not trying other guys at backup point guard not being able to use the mid level exception all those type of things as well which get under. So. Old in the Schreuder trade, but our real consequences. Yeah. That's definitely the case. So I mean ensure just as not now granted you might say that he was in a better position to succeed offense. Leeann Atlanta last year, where at least they had a few shooters than on this backup unit. O'casey that just you know, when Paul Georgia's and playing they have nobody you can shoot. But none the less. He is. But I think the point is like even ignoring contract. Why would you take that gamble? There are a lot of other like like skilled guys that have more upside or just don't bring as much downside. We also hope that he would be better defensively he did have some some signs early in the year. But I'm not really moved by that either big fall for me. So when we haven't mentioned yet was Thomas Jones, I had kind of the solid backup category last year. So new could maybe mature into being alone starter and he's head plenty of chances zero t injuries to roset and Teague, and it's been a real struggle for him some of his stats forty eight percent true shooting on only fourteen percent usage, not taking any threes. Either. Only four. Hundred possessions. That's pretty bad assist. Rate is relatively high only forty four percent from to his doesn't really get to the foul line. Two point three free. Throw attempts Perodua possessions, just a an atrocious season for him going into restricted free agency for someone with we thought at least could be a high end backup and who played very well and they played really well with him on the floor a season ago. He's also had some injury issues as while. Maybe that's part of why just has failed to make shots. He and some of these followers. I mean, I mentioned Rosiere and Dylan right as well. Just I'm just not as so I thought I thought there was maybe more upside than they have shown this year. Both them have had opportunities at least a little bit. And they're going like ties Jones restricted free agency. And I'm going to be watching to see what teams take something more positive away. Or if they just kind of end up in the situation where nobody gives them a great offer. And then either they take the qualifying offer were they get get a sheet that so mediocre that their team matches on it not into. Ghastly like that? That's a possibility for Terry Rozier, now, I granted I expect the any it only takes one or it only takes two idea to take hold with Terry Rozier in particular, but it wouldn't so knowledge that, but I'm I'm not entirely sure that it will know their faller, Chris Paul Donna number five. And that's might be a little generous him a riser. I forgot to mention its carrier because we did this last year. I think when he had already had that surgery. There's a real concerns about his health. He's come back has an he's missed a few games. I think he's always that's always been the case over his career, but he's playing at a really high level. Again, I have at number two as opposed to number five last year that moved up a tier as well Quinn. Cook is someone I think who is a solid shooter and score. And I you know, and he doesn't have size. But I think he gives a decent effort defensively. He's someone who to be would be a good fit as a backup point guard in a larger role provide a little bit of scoring it and shooting, but you know, and also can play next to someone who's a little bit more ball. Dominates. He's out good passer, obviously of, but he's someone who I think could be a backup point guard at least who can guard the other teams point guard and play next to another creative. Like, I think he would be a nice fit as a backup point guard on like Philly or something on a minimum contract, you know, much more. So than say TJ McConnell who the other guy had and kind of if backup category of just being a little bit too limited and his game at hasn't really much. Who do you see as the guys who could rise up the most next year? It's not really going to be that group from eleven to fourteen or fifteen for me because I think those guys have already done a lot of it. They could move in like, especially if Kyle Lowry possibly Russell Westbrook. Take a step back for me. More leads oh to a little bit lower so baby somebody like Derek Whyte or share or call Anne Sexton that they just move up a couple of years, and that makes a big difference too. Like, I just think of them as more of a starter to gianatti could be there. We'll see what happens after this loss lost year. Maybe have depending on how the raptors what hap-? With them. Maybe Fred van vanfleet is in a different situation. And he either proves or disproves the theory. He's got us. I think he's got a ceiling though, I would agree with that. He's never going to get higher than like, you know, number twenty or something just because he's too limited offensively at this position. Although I actually haven't at number seventeen this year. So maybe maybe it's dealings over fifteen, but I'm low around him than you are right now, I think he's twenty and that indicates the instability and lack of established candidates in kind of that fifteen to twenty range right now. You know, I think that there other guys who will fill that and jump above him in future years. Yeah. We just don't know who they are yet. That's you know, Lonzo someone who could really. Yup. Zero zero someone who could really pop up you mentioned white DJ August in is one of the bigger candidates for potential fall. I'm not saying I expect it but Markelle Foltz has the talent. I haven't his so. Yeah, I mean so far away. But yeah, I actually have him in my he's at the very very bottom of my rotation worthy. The group jet. I even think if he can't shoot just with the other part like he's a decent passer. And we'll see what you can do defensively that. I would give him. I wouldn't give them the mount of guaranteed money. He's going to get next year. But that's a different question. Oh, and I want to put this as a riser even though he ended up as one of the last guys in my rotation worthy. Emmanuel moody was so disastrous last year and for him to be like a guy that you would consider having on a roster next year is a pretty big improvement. And I wanna we dollars that. Yeah. I still have them as a as a pretty big negative even with those improvements. But yeah, I mean, there's he's still pretty young Dennis Smith is another one where you know. Maybe he can get away for being just like an active negative. Dow will be huge for him. Erin holiday could. Yes. That's a good call into the solid backup category. And I haven't kind of in the iffy backups right now, you're Tony Parker. We haven't mentioned him at all. I had him in the iffy backup. He probably would be in the solid backup category. If you could trust his health a little bit more than just hasn't been available enough. I think that's been a big part of why the Hornets just haven't been able to keep it going. These last couple of months he has been unable to stay in the floor. They've had to go with devante Graham and they've had to play Dwayne bacon. A lot more that we're like, by the way the last night as the Hornets. Got completely blown out by the warriors Jane's Borrego had a very short presser in which he did. He was like, yeah. I didn't think we had a professional approach integrated play. And then he got asked. Well, why do you think it was that there unprofessionally did? The dreaded auto know you'll have to ask them whenever the code says you have to ask the player you'd know that he's like pretty pissed off. But and Brig on mean, he just he's been so desperately searching for stuff on the ways. I mean, they've tried everybody on the way and he was giving to tomb DP CD. Now, he was back again coming off the bench. They've gone with bacon. They've gone with Graeme lamb started. He's come off the bench monk was in the rotation early in the year. Now, he's totally out of the rotation. And then he's been trying everything that he can really MK g didn't play it. All. Until garbage time lot last night use the rotation before he's pointing Senator before he really just, you know, part of that has been made those guys I'm performed as feel like yes to keep changing things up part of it may be you know, the hasn't done a good job of defining roles. And you know, he's been too quick to react to. I'm not sure which you'd say there, but in any event, the those quick aside on the Hornets just because I those on my mind yesterday when other player we haven't mentioned in this, and it's mostly because of injuries is Dante Exum I put him in the rotation worthy. But not like even the the solid backup category. Because he hasn't been particularly great when he's played. And we have no idea how often is going to be able to be on the court. Yeah, he's another one who to me was towards the lower end of the if he backups type of guys I Don here. Yeah. I think we are. And I'll have some pieces coming out and working on an unawares piece about their best five Ben lineup. I don't know. I think that'll probably run on Tuesday or Wednesday. So you can look for that on the ethnic art. We will catch you all tomorrow night's hope you enjoy this one and. We'll be posting these rankings on patriot patriot dot com slash Duncan. Release will be posting mind and still hoping to catch up on some of those other posts that we've done as well till next time.

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Full show Kawhis Clippers contract, LeBron playing point guard, Will Kyrie fit in BK?, Will Todd Gurley return to form?, Wrights best NBA teams

"Good morning and welcome to first things first. I'm John Wolf Vets Thala famous Chris Carter this right here. Nick right basketball is over basketball. Drama is not ah Miami seems to think Ross is a perfect fit for the heat. Hold off on assuming you know what the Lakers will look like next season says the head coach but we're going to start this morning with one Co.. I Leonard the two-time Finals M._v._p.. Has reportedly quarterly signed a three year deal worth one hundred and three million dollars with the clippers turned a few heads who assumed in reporting he'd probably signed for four years. The last year reveals a player option so that means that in twenty twenty one coup why it could be a free agent again if you choose it also means his contract now matches up without of new teammate Paul George Star Review. What does this contract tell you about Leonard's future well? We found out a lot when qui- was a free agent. We found out a number of things that were quite surprising for. One is how aggressive he was as far as recruiting other players star players to be able to play with them had conversations with Kevin Durant had conversations Kyrie Irving convinced Paul George to we ought to get traded to the clippers so we do know that I'm not surprised by the short term contract because he he has to be a free agent once he reaches ten years tenure in the N._B._A.. It wouldn't have made sense. People thought ought that only the Toronto Raptors could sign him to a short short term deal. He signed anywhere else. It was going to be a long term deal so he wants to be a free agent on that tenth year. You have to be from a strategy standpoint because your salary Jerry jumps at that point and you know Kawai wants to leverage to be able to move and or have leverage over the club that's why he signed that two and a one year after the ten year tenure. He's just finished his eighth season. He's going to be a free agent again. I think it has more to do with him and controlling what he wants to do. And the constant pressure he can keep one the organization if they decided to change coaches doc rivers he would have a say so about that but ultimately intimately to up to recruit other players to build a come to the clippers it gave him the leverage and the flexibility to do what he wants to do. Money and power is what this is about. The money is what Chris talked her out there that just the way the collective bargaining agreements. It's written you can get a bigger percentage of the salary cap the biggest percentage once you've been the league ten years so that's why the two plus one instead of the three plus one but more notably than the money is the power the power to continue to hold a bit of a vice grip on new organization because the clippers no this now they in theory could lose Paul George and Kawhi Leonard after the twenty twenty one season and they do not have control over their drafts starting starting in twenty twenty two twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five twenty six those five years okay see either has their picks outright whereas pick swap so you you damn sure better make sure quite Leonard Tapping happy. You Damn sure better mixture. Paul George is happy and you're competing for championships and this is the new N._B._A.. Then we are going to be on a constant cycle of this free agent classes great but the one a couple years from now is going to be even better because guys are not signing five year deals Yes qui- will be eligible in two years for a four year hundred ninety six million dollar contract but what makes anyone think he'd sign that and give up that power as opposed wait to plus one hundred forty four hundred and forty five million dollar contract. This is people thought Lebron was the outlier cycles one plus ones in Cleveland eventually to plus one in Cleveland that is not going to be the outlier that is going to be more the norm for a select few four first and second team all N._B._A.. Caliber players because it keeps the pressure on the franchise to never take a step back to never be worried the luxury tax to never go back on the promises that were made to Kwai in the recruitment phase. was there something though to those that thought he should have signed a long term deal that he he's had had a little bit of history with injury. Maybe this is a guarantee for for longer years ears and a guarantee for for more money and stability to a guy that did miss some time because of injury what would it speaks to. He's not worried about getting hurt because if he was worried about getting hurt he would sign the maximum number of years that you could but where he is right now he's. He's very very comfortable but you gotta give yourself the flexibility if you're not concerned about your health John Wall John Wall did the smart thing. He signed that long term contract. We got Dane there in Portland. He just signed a long term contract. I I can understand if a guy did that but Kawhi with his tenth year two years away he's got to give himself the flexibility because not arm on not only are him in Paul George not only the current team that they have but they're going going to be the future they know draft picks like only way you can add through them bill to keep these and when they go out recruit other guys to be able to come to Los Angeles to be able to play with them because you can pretty much guarantee that they're going to be there but people should also understand once he pick the clippers the the longest contract he could sign would have been a three plus one. This is a two plus one so it's not as if he could have signed a five year deal with the clippers because they were not the incumbent team but it does mean twenty so the twenty twenty free agency in classes a very weak one in twenty twenty one if players exercise their options if guys don't sign early extensions the following guys are free agents. Jaanus Kawai Lebron Paul George Blake Griffin Bradley Bill Rudy Gobert C._J.. mccollum Victor Oladipo go down the list. It's eighties a third of the top twenty players in the league and then some and that is listen the League Adam silver can talk about the owners not liking hiking the level of pressure. The players can put on an organization okay the the way around this is one of these two were both of these to allow for seven or eight year contracts the way you used to because it's one thing to say ah I'll give up one year of guaranteed money to be able to exert pressure. It's another thing to say I'll give up four years of guaranteed. It'd be able to exert pressure or remove the individual player maximums remove the have someone be able to offer a player sixty percent of the CAP and thirty five percent of the gap but as the C._B._S. currently written it's in the players interest if their top player in this league to go short term deals and continued at be able to put the screws to the team. You can't possibly have any doubt that Jerry West won't be able to keep these guys. Do you think Leonard wants to stay with the clippers wants to be a clipper for longer than two years. Jerry whistled to be alive. Jerry West is no no young guy wants to be a clipper but it doesn't make sense for him to sign a three and a one a four year deal doesn't make sense doesn't make sense as far as where he is. He just finished his eighth season. You know you've got that big. Jump Coming after your number ten and the flexibility like we were shocked to how Kawai recruited the other players to be able to come there that will continue in him being able to say hey man. I'm going to be a free agent. I can be a free agent. I can opt into the contract. I can sign long-term. That's what other guys are looking and he can kind of help. Control that roster and you WANNA be able to make sure the team doesn't at some point we saw the Miami Heat all of a sudden tail into Lebron's time they're all we're not going to bring Mike Miller back. One avoid the luxury tax. We saw the Cleveland Cavaliers another Lebron example the one year he didn't have the ability to opt out of a deal. They don't bring back David Griffin. We we know that when co I was meeting with the Lakers the clippers the raptors there were certain demands he made certain requests he made about what his load manager would be about the medical medical staff about how the team was going to treat him once you sign the contract if they renege on that there's nothing you can do is specially. If you've signed for the maximum number of years this now ensures the team has to keep it moving on to a guy does not struggle in the N._B._A.. His name is Lebron James Place for the Lakers last week. It was reported that Lebron would be two teams defacto point guard next season from there up plethora of potential Laker lineups for this team. We're throwing around this was all before we heard from the head coach yesterday at summer. League play Frank Vogel was asked about his team's lineup. Here's what he had to say. There is no decisions made on our starting England of <hes> no imminent plan to start around at the point guard spot <hes> a lot of different nominee lineups and combinations have this have been discussed but it's really way too early for any of that <hes> he'll be a primary ball handler <hes> in our system the same way he has been <hes> his entire career but we're certainly not gonna ask them to do anything that he hasn't done his entire career so <hes> you know it's going to be a situation. I'm just putting all our guys in the in the best position to have success on the basketball court and look afford for ought to take the place at the right time nick everything you just heard all that being said you still think that Lebron should be the Lakers starting point guard next season. Yes then that's their easy decision. That's not the complicated one Lebron should be in. We'll be their starting point guard because they don't have in twenty nineteen a starting caliber point guard on the roster Rondos not that anymore win. Cooks never been that crucial was a nice story a guy that you didn't know it was going to make the team ended up playing some decent minutes forum last year Lebron's their best option and we maybe we should just get out of saying starting point guard and like the coats it the primary ball handler because if you look at Steph curry we know de Ngelo Russell. He's going to be the point guard. STEPH CURRY IS GONNA play off the ball. It's the difference difference between running office. Screens Lebron the number one skill. He has outside of his body. Being incredible is his ability to be able to see the basketball his basketball I._Q.. And Lebron has even going back in the past and watch N._B._A.. Video Games to watch where guys like to shoot. He looks at Guy Stats. Where do they like the ball? What's their dominant hand when they like the drive when they're coming off the pick and roll those things Lebron you can take advantage oh if he's on the ball in the primary ball handler in offense if he's not then you don't get that advantage if you don't if you don't have a `nother competent high level guard and so but here's the complicating weighting factor? It's not who's GonNa start at the one for the Lakers because that'll be Lebron. It's the five position in the trickle down from there because I throw out a bunch of lineups that involved Anthony Davis starting at the five and I got two separate text messages from two separate people saying Anthony Davis is not going to start the season at the five. Maybe in the playoffs maybe at the end of games but stop saying he's going to be the starting center. Even though you think you should be the starting center not GonNa have both those texts no no oh it's no no I told him on the air but usually that you that you said he's been on the record inconsistent I do not WanNa play doesn't WanNa play center and my argument was okay what you want. What's best for the team or two separate? Things turns out what Anthony Davis wants lease. What I'm being told is going to be at least how they start the season so if Lebron starting point guard you're going to have a center whether that's Travailler boogies? One of them's going to start who cares who justice center then Anthony Davis you also Danny Green's starting that leaves you one position. Now people are going to say well obviously Kuzina well. Is it obviously Kuzma if it is who's WHO's guarding the opposing team's point guard and is there enough enough shooting out there because Danny Green's knockdown shooter but Kuzma last year was a bad three point shooter he would have to get back to rookie or three point shooting Kyle Kuzma and even then is that enough shooting does contagious caldwell-pope find his way into the starting lineup. Would it'd be a there's no way he's going to start. Would it be Bradley. Is there any chance Kuzma's coming off the bench to run that unit. If not then you have a question about. Are you GonNa ask Danny Green Jor best wing defender the guy who should be guarding the other teams best wing just start the Games guarding the other teams point guard the if you have Lebron Anthony Davis and center all in your starting lineup and Lebron's the point guard. You're going to have a big lineup and some of that shooting the Lakers acquired in this off season is going to have trouble getting on the court see yeah. I mean ultimately as far as the center position. I didn't think it was as complicated as people were trying to make it out. boogie cousins Devel- McGee when they go to training Kim whoever plays the best Boogie says his his quad completely healed. I believe he's a lot better player than what we saw in the playoffs. You made a point say he didn't come back in the playoffs. Would you be more excited about boogie cousins being the center for the Lakers if you didn't see him where he couldn't jump over over a pizza box right after forcing himself back because you gotta give him credit for that you can't you can't on one hand say you know I want athletes to build a try to push themselves which boogie cousins did because originally they thought he was done for the season and then he comes back push themselves all against him and he looks bad and then we hold it against them so I've Lee boogie cousins should be the starting center now as far as three point shooting. I boogie cousins. We'll shoot above twenty seven percent he did last here. I believe Anthony Davis will shoot better than he did last year and Lebron so you just have to get some of that three point production bill spread to court to keep teams honest by your bigs. You don't have to always have small guys on the court that are stretching. Stretching court we saw that with Shannon fry when learning channing Frye when he was there in Cleveland a great example of Pick and pop a big guy who'd been stretched to court just like smaller guys make me on us you trust that guy right there to make all these decisions decisions that no one seems to be able to find a good starting five for this team that Guy Frank Vogel this is where his jobs very difficult and this is where had they gotten Qui- not only would they have three the top seven players in League but the coaching job it would have been way easier. You have three superstars that are going at least two of them are going to be on the court at all times and then you have minimum level players buyout guys that fill out the rotation now. You've got a roster where you probably have eight guys who think they should be starting. You who have of Kuzma Khun Davies caldwell-pope in Avery Bradley three guys who all have been starters in their career coups mma who's making the least money but is the Best Player K._C._p._T.'s making the most money but arguably is the worst player Bradley lose the best defender win healthy and his team needs that skill set out there so you have one spot for those three players and there is a little bit of a mix and match here and that is what the beginning of the season is going to be about to a degree figuring out which lineups play well altogether and that's not even a mention regime rondos a big personality and a guy that average eight assists per game last year when he did play when he was healthy just all of a sudden being eliminated from the starting line of which I by the way thank you should be eliminated from starting lineup sure Rondo doesn't feel that way. Yes Frank Vogel even if Kawai signs with the Lakers we still got question marks about him today. I don't have as many question marks about other people. He's got a three year guaranteed so as far as pressure I got to the top six six players that don't seem like a whole bunch of pressure to me. They got a better bench than we thought they were going to be able to do because they waited on the Kawai sweepstakes so regardless if they act Kawai there people were still question Frank Vogel to me. It's a built in excuse. Let's blame it on the coach Lebron everywhere he's been. It's been questions about the Cote. He's never had a great coat tie. Lou People didn't have no hell of a confidence in Thai lue they got confidence after Lebron and Kyrie and that team put together a special run Frank Vogel. He's GonNa be on the hot seat all year not just because Jason Kids. They're not because Lionel Holland's is there no but because it's an easy excuse excuse if guys don't play well if they don't shoot the ball will be. We're going to blame it on the coach. It's easy. I just think the players in the N._B._A.. They control things a lot more than the coach does so we want to blame someone. Oh list blamed the coach compared to look guys out there in the uniform and realized that you know something they control their own. Faith is hard to stay in shape. You make twenty million Housi- what are you gonNA do. Stay say start your morning. Yesterday was revealed. The KAWHI Leonard signed a three year. Joe were the hundred and three million dollars with the clippers many thought he'd time for four years. See what you make of new deal the and let you know that he has to be a free agent. After the ten years of service setting him up. He just finished his eighth year very very smart by his agent and quiet and his team. Let me know that it was on the board for him. Signing short term deals is a little miscommunication between me them as far as what is it going to be a long term because the general public thought that only a short term deal existed with the raptors he was not going to sign a long term deal with any team the and again people should understand as you mentioned in the longest he could assign with the clippers was was four which would have been a three plus one hands up signing a two plus one but it also keeps the scrutiny and the pressure on the clippers not that Balmer and doc rivers and that crew wasn't going to do everything they could to win already but he has all George could walk out the door in two years and then the clippers would be left without their own dram no way no way twenty twenty two to twenty twenty six those five drafts okay see either has the picker as a big swap so critical to season's coming up for the Los Angeles Clippers even more than we thought all right injury up day now and boogie cousins boogie cousins is Injury Free Boogie Torres Squad in the first round of the playoffs against the clippers he was able to come back and play in the finals but clearly he he wasn't fully healthy bogey now says his quote is one hundred percent healed all right nick what are fair expectations then for cousins next as well listen. I think Boogie can still be a guy that gives you at least fifteen in eight if he gets the minutes. It's available to do that if he plays twenty four twenty six minutes a game I I don't want to hold against him. What I saw in the finals it's hard not to but when we saw him terror squad and his second playoff game ever we thought that was going to be the last we ever saw aw with golden state he fought all the way back basically cut a month off the expected recovery time and then he looked really bad a lot of the time once we saw him back and that's your most vivid memory of Boogie but if he had not at fault all the way back seat we wouldn't have had that memory and we decided man? He was looking good the final month of the regular season. I'd like to afford him that benefit of the doubt but it is hard because it looked like he couldn't jump four inches off the ground in those N._B._A.. The best thing about him announcing he's one hundred percent now is we've got about two and a half to two and a half months until training camp opens. He won't be rehabbing this year last year. All he did was Rehab. Rehab workouts are totally different than I'm trying to get ready for endurance and trying to get ready to play an eighty two games scheduled to me. boogie cousins is the best value at three point five million in the league. Tell me tell me another player is good as him three point five. That's all you're paying for him so it's not like we're paying this guy ten or fifteen million those a lot of guys in the league making making ten million and they're not very good at basketball oddly just is going to be one of his better off seasons and he'll fit in with the Lakers well all right. Let's talk some football folks over at pro. Football focus have predicted that Ezekiel Elliott a win his third rushing title this season Zeke would be the I back to win three rushing tunnels in four seasons since Barry Sanders see things equally the league in rushing next season. I knew when he came into the League lead the League as a rusher for a number of years. He's the best pure water that we have in football. Couple won. The best offensive line last couple of years offensive line hadn't been good. It's been Zeke more Zeke than them this year. They should be a little bit more healthy. Yes he's the best pure runner that we have you add Amari Cooper. You put Randall Cobb in the slot. This is the best offense that Ezekiel Elliott would've played on since his days at Ohio state and I wonder if that actually might prevent him from winning his third rushing title in four years because if the cowboys passing attack takes the steps forward that they hope it does with Amari Cooper being there for a full off season in the full year and the addition of Randolph causing not having to rely on most of the time it doesn't work that way if he leaves the League in rushing if their office can score in the red zone if they're one of the top five teams on third down conversions. That's how everyone's able to eat. I played on a lot of talented offenses and madame third downs become important. You know why because you get another three downs the bill to spread it around and in the red zone you gotta score score points. I wouldn't be surprised they scored twenty touchdowns well. That's what I was about to say is. I think what's more important than the cowboys is if he can lead the league in touchdowns rather than just rushing yards all right. Let's get finish up with some basketball. sixers currently have the second best odds needs to win the east behind the Milwaukee Bucks however philly forward James Zina's thinks that Philly is going to walk to the finals now. The Kurai is out west. You agree nick. Do you think the sixers are legit contenders for the finals next season. I do do not agree but I do absolutely think legit contenders with James and his said it's ridiculous like that's that's foolish comment. Who is the team? He's going to be their sixth man. I mean he he's bounced around. The League. Obey did play well in the play in the playoffs but he is clearly at best. He's the fifth best guy on that team. He's probably the sixth or seventh best gone that team will see what Zaire Smith and John Richardson do for them this year but listen Philly is has the ability to be the best team in the Eastern Conference. I need to see the fit I need to see if they can be as dominant defensively as I believe they have the personnel to be. They are going to start one of the longest teams. We've ever one of the tallest teams we've ever seen start in an N._B._A.. Season Josh Richard Richard Singer smallest guy when the median height of your starting lineup is six ten that is a long arm Al Horford into that may absolutely right Al Horford is one of the smartest players in the league and even though is that led us is not very good. He can knock down shots and hand is an excellent all NBA caliber defender but the X. Factor for Philly and I'm sure crystal expand on it is of course going to be Ben Simmons. If Ben Simmons comes back better if Ben Simmons comes back to where he is not a liability ability at the end of games offensively and a liability in a playoff series didn't philly can go man for man with Milwaukee you even if you're honest is better than embiid embiid close enough that the rest of the roster for philly would outshine and Milwaukee has but that assumes something that I did assume you're one or two but I got burnt by it so I can't assume your to to your three which is that Ben. Simmons expanded his range a little bit. I was dead wrong after his rookie season. Saying of course you'll get better of course you'll get in the gym even doesn't have the three point shot. They'll have mid range shot he didn't he was two of twenty five last year outside of sixteen feet so they have a clear ceiling in Philadelphia unless Ben Simmons improves no matter what James Innocence but because quite left they are without a doubt one of the two best teams in the Conference Yeah I. I don't like people `specially who don't have championship experience putting out these types of soundbites when now all the rest of the team they got to build vouch for the this is not about fit and Phil even though they've made some changes this is about two things one you mentioned as far as the fit with the players but it's not about the fit it's about fitness. <music> fitness and jump shot right Joel embiid and his fitness. Is he ever going to get himself in the top shape that that's not a detriment that he's not missing games missing time because he doesn't have an N._B._A.. WPRO diet cooking food. He's still eating Taco Bell. I got friends that see Joel Embiid a lot of times in Philadelphia. I'm not talking about at the basketball arena and Jolyon be and what he puts in his body that has been part of the issue now. He's hired someone. He's working with someone here in New York so that's the update on his body. He's doing something about that. What's the they don't Ben Simmons? Jump shot then you guys get it. Then you guys see the video. No Oh that is update it. They know better you know the reason why the season been over with and he ain't put no video out there. There ain't no good video to put out there Jenner. It's a simple in the off season. That's when you are able to me I used to break down my game with my coaches and say what are the weakest routes that I run in the passing tree because this off season those routes I will move up to be a priority. I won't even run the things that I'm very very good at and that's how the best players. We've we've ever seen in any sport. That's how the good become great. That's how the greats become legends and let me know when y'all see some video been simply because I'm sick and tired of my buddy over here appropriate. Oh yeah he's going to get to the gym or oh. You're a year ago. I said I learned my lesson on it. I listen I I assumed he would do most blue chip young players <hes> Brady's out run the forty yard dash at forty two. You know the reason why because he won't you don't General I'm one of the best it's ever done it and no young kids going to take my spot Antonio. You think we ain't got nothing better do but to show him up there on the bouncing ball with the goggles fair no because that's what you're supposed to do all right well. I Know Oh ben Simmons is the obstacle right now. For for the sixers book ruin the other real x-factor Bianca's. I mean isn't Janas going to be the real x factor Milwaukee right now gets to go into the season as the clear favourite in the east because not only they had the best record but the team that knocked them out is now totally different quiet Leonard go to put the Claw Johnson and change that series so usually we would say hey you got to beat the champs but it's not that dissimilar to the cavs were four time defending Eastern Conference Champs last season. Did it seem like it no because Lebron left the team. They were different team. TORONTO WON'T BE THAT BAD but they will be different team but embiid is embiid is in that the top of that very next year of N._B._A.. Stars like Janas is in that top seven superstars superstars here embiid's at the very top of the next year Tobias Harris is Max Player. I think he can go out I with Chris Middleton Al Horford and go with Brook Lopez like their top of the roster matches up well and so the question is Ben Simmons Eric Bledsoe also blood so struggled in the playoffs but was not the liability that Ben Simmons was and we kind of know what we're getting from blood so if Ben Simmons improves then James Innes can be proven correct. They won't cakewalk to silly comment if he doesn't then they will be limited especially against a team in the series as good defend. I'm willing to bet as a significant amount of money as far as Ben Simmons his percentages outside of ten feet and a three point O. clock foreign country forget the three point line I mean he you'll never be able to shots outside of sixteen feet all year which seems impossible but also last year he only made two more south than me yeah true true. I only took twenty five. It's unbelievable moving onto things that we can infer from instagram postings. Stings yesterday on the Graham Russell Westbrook liked a picture of himself wearing a Miami Heat Jersey. Even though he's still a member of the o'casey thunder a new report says that they he willing to take on Russia's money and Russel's personality all right see how does Russ need to adjust his game moving forward if he wants to be more effective well the thing about it has got to play with some veteran players. You can't put Russ on a young team. Also you gotta put Russ with some guys that can shoot a basketball typically. You would think if he's going to be at their absolute best. They gotta be top ten defensive team. They got to be a team that plays with a lot of pays him and Steven Adams in the pick and roll very very effective but Russell's ability to go off to bounce get into the lane breakdown down the defense but when you have only limited shooters and if you look at the last several years since Katie's let they have not put the type of shooters that would help Russ develop his game last year you could see he deferred to Paul George. Paul George was playing spectacular but who else if they put around him. I'm not down shooters that Russ once he gets into the lane. He's got viable options. Additional ball out compared to shooting a much more difficult contested shot with Iran which is why Miami might feel like but we will do a better job than okay see is done at surrounding with talent we will be able to present him with another all star caliber player in Jimmy Butler already here player Jimmy Butler who a lot the people thought Jimmy Butler and Paul George were almost. We're nearly identical in like player rankings going into last season now. Paul George had a far better year than Jimmy Butler and Paul George Right now appears to be the better player than Jimmy Butler will see next season with George coming off the to shoulder surgeries but for us. It's really simple it is last year. It wasn't just as free throw shooting went to Hell. He's always been a bad three point shooter. Last year was his worst three point shooting year he's had since he's been a star and he's now in very rough company. He's the second worst high volume three point shooter in N._B._A.. History only Charles Barkley has taken two thousand plus threes in the N._B._A.. With the worst percentage Russ's now beneath guys like Jerry Stackhouse Allen Iverson and guys that we thought of as chuckers from three he's below thirty one percent from his career from three and he takes a bunch of them like you last year who's taken over five a gain. We've seen him shoot thirty four percent from a spurs season the year that he won the M._v._p.. Was Eighty five percent from the line or I think about thirty five percent from three if he's a guy that he is shown the ability to adjust the style in which he plays at at least a little bit within a season but last year didn't matter if you just the style because he was bad shooting everywhere the free throw line the mid range jump shot which used to be bread and butter that little elbow jumper that used to be as Goto shot and his three point shot was broken. If he's going to be successful he has to be in year twelve. There's going to be your twelve now. He has to be an adequate three point shooter. There is no way for a guard in the N._B._A.. At his age moving forward to be <music> a superstar in this league if you can't shoot the ball and Russ last year could not shoot the ball but he's still shuffle so to me the yeah. There's the personality stuff how will we fit in with a new team never been with a different organization Spoelstra Butler all that so put it really is Ken Russell Westbrook thirty four percent from three if he can he can still be a great player in this league if he's at twenty eight percent as he was a lot of last year and he's still shooting a bunch of them. That's the percentage dream on shot but he's shooting twice as many that's. That's a huge problem for whatever team he'd be a lot to ask someone to say you gotta get you gotTa. Go get back to your numbers that you were so go to a new team. Isn't it more realistic that they're going to have to say hey. You can't take this many shots. You'RE GONNA come here but you're going to have to reduce the number of shots you take and is he going to be able take that adjustment no. I don't believe that's realistic. I don't believe there's a whole bunch of people going to tell Russ you. GotTa Stop Shooting The basketball last season. No one had the ball more than Russ Ninety Times per game. He's got the ball only James Harden has the ball more amount of time time so for me. If you're not shooting it he could be a better distribute. The basketball cut down on his turnovers. He could be a better defender so there's a lot of things that Miami and switch there can be able to help them. Miami's one of the lease effective teams in the pick and roll even though they run about the same amount is okay see sponsored them have to build let him go and let him get his points early on offense. Get a paste. It's a little bit faster. I believe Ruskin steel do that. At a high level compared to the half court offense to me. That's one of the big conflicts that you have with Russ. He's far more effective in open court than when they slow the ball down and he and the Oklahoma City thunder before the all-star break he was playing well. Paul George was playing while we were talking about. Could they get all the way to the two seat in the West and then fell apart once Paul George dealt with his shoulder injuries and rusk had a really bad stretch post all-star break if he can get back to just stylistically the way he was pre all star break and add a couple percentage points to his shot still be eh one of the best six guards basketball but that's what they betting on the trade this nick right from first things first and you have to check out this website pristine dot com pristine auction has daily auctions with one dollars. Starting bid authenticity is important too pristine auction perceived auction guarantees authenticity and it comes with authentication from the most trusted sources proceed auctions are affordable rebel. Most people don't think they can afford this stuff but it's much more affordable than you think. Addict Buck is signed Bears Jersey sold for just fifty six dollars and a Mike Tyson autographed boxing gloves sold for under a hundred bucks. 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I believe it's going to be an excellent fit and similar to what Kenny Atkinson said you don't know until you have a guy in your gym every day playing with the rest of your team and the rest of the Rosser until you actually see how it melds together however Kyrie irvings coming in and I know that he got a bad rap in Boston but he had a season where he averaged twenty four seven five right around there shut forty percent from the three point line. He's one of the most talented and skilled guys with the ball in his hands the way he creatively finishes and this is a team that likes to get up and down they. I'd like to shoot a lot of threes they do share the basketball however we saw last year with Diangelo Russel the utilize the pick and roll they like to use ball screens. They use a lot of off ball action so all of that said with how talented Kyrie is offensively fitting in with an already strong core of players everyone understanding their roles and the flip side of things. I know a lot of people focus on the defensive end. Guess who's going to be next to him. It's either going to be careful avert six seven carelessly Burton with one of these strong defenders on the other end six Spencer Dinwiddie who is a talented defensive player along with being able to play on or off the ball out shooters and Joe Harris Big Minna Jared Allen and on top of all of this as we continue to talk about with Kyrie Irving he chose to play here. He's playing amongst friends. He's with people that he wants to be with. He's going back home so I think all of those things are what makes us the situation. That's going to be really advantageous and beneficial for both sides are before I get into in my opinion on this. I think a lot of people that are watching have a much better idea of WHO Kyrie Irving is then who Kenny act gets an so Brad Stevens non-confrontational coach Tai Lue Not an overly confrontational coach his last two coaches David Blatt that was just swimming without goggles. WHO's trying to figure out what was what Kenny Atkinson I haven't watched? I haven't been up is up close and personal as you have but I've seen enough nets games been enough games where he will get in your face. He will yell at a gun. Tell the audience about who he is and how you think that relationship could go Kenny Atkinson and I say this sang through and I won't divulge too much but being able to sit through practices watch the in and out the day to day see how he is with guys. This is in a practice setting with the full team. This is skill workouts. This is one on one individual were Kenny. Atkinson is one of the most dedicated committed gritty guys at you will see as a coach but he's also fearless and how he interacts with players and he is going to treat everyone the exact same and you brought up the word confrontational and there's a reason why everyone on the Brooklyn Team Dangelo Russell being one of those who really was attracted to Kenny and the way in which he coached because he's a player's coach in a sense that he's going to do whatever it takes to get the best out of you but doing so in a way that he's going to get in your face and he may cuss you out and he may be someone who does things that you don't appreciate in the moment but at the end of the day you know how much he cares about you. He's one of the most sincere human beings and he loves you as a player so with all of that being said I to Kenny has got an excellent staff along with him that works with these players Kenny's out barefoot chasing rebounds and getting it he he's got his ankles tape and practicing with the guy's going through drills showing showing them things hands on so for all of those reasons. Is it going to be an adjustment period. Probably it is with every player but because of that I think the respect goes top to bottom with all the other players but I think for Kyrie Irving. He is going to have someone that that is as up close with him in it with him as he can find and I think at the end of the date he'll realize that what Kenny wants us for him to be the best player in and that is what any guy should want. We're GONNA have plenty eyeballs on Kenny accent as a head coach. He cut his teeth in Atlanta Organization in player development so this is how he coached. He's owned a court development players. Given guys drills the number one way to get a professional athletes attention is to make him better at something and that's how he's done that and that's why they selected him as a coach. That's why they have confidence in him. That's why you saw all their young players. Get so much better. The style for which they play at is conducive to Kyri getting better header not only do they have the Andre Jordan so he has someone to build a finish at the room because we can get into the pain. The LOB game is back open for him that hadn't been opened for him not when he was in Cleveland because they didn't have much guys play above the railway and definitely not in Boston they got better shooters in Brooklyn then he had with the Celtics so to court going to be more wide open. I just wished Kevin Durant was playing from day number one because I believe with him on the court we will see the best Kyrie that we've seen since we saw in that final so I do think the style for which them getting up and down this offseason becomes important for Kyri the most important one since Lebron went back to Cleveland will he get his the body in tip top shape because there were teams that looked at Kyrie and they were concerned long-term with his dedication not the basketball what does dedication to take care of his body and the coach made it clear yesterday. I'm giving him a clean slate right right. Even though we've done our research we know about Kyrie but I'm gonNA give them a clean slate in most coaches when you start like that it really gives the player a lot of confidence that he doesn't have to be perfect from day number. One KYRI did much better last year. Obviously when the Celtics six were winning and weren't they weren't losing you saw that in body language you saw that in post game press conferences now. You're going to have him starting on a team without Katy which means if this team goes bad. A lot of that pressure is going to be on Kyrie. It's can be well. It was Kyrie's fault because Katie wasn't there. How do you think he'll be able to handle the bonuses on Kyrie did not only keep them afloat but to keep them going in this direction until Katie's steps on the court for the first time this is a team that if they adjust run it back given the fact that quiet left the conference given the fact that there's uncertainty after the top two teams seems if they had made no changes brought back Angela Russell not signed Kevin Durant we said could the nets jump up to the three or the four Sikh right that would have been a discussion so it is Kyrie's job when they also add deandre Jordan and he's clearly on the downside but jared Allen's owns back Harrisburg? You hope be able to play the full season Spencer Dinwiddie six man of the year buzz like this is a good young roster if they are floundering if they are fighting dooby five hundred of course it's GonNa fall a number eleven hit and it should good now. I think Kyrie has the ability to be a great player in this league. We've seen it what we haven't seen him. Be is a great player as the best player for everything that comes with that responsibility everything that comes with that he's. Is going to have to do that until Kevin. Durant comes out there and I'm excited to see it because we know how specialties we know. There's not another player in the league with his specific set of skills and I think the Spencer Dinwiddie relationship really matters. He was recruiting routing him all year Ella Draymond with Kevin Durant a few years ago there close friends. We know how close he is with durant. He has a relationship with the Andre Jordan so does I don't think he had someone on the Celtics that when Kyrie was getting skew could grabby like Gabriel we need. We need your back here right now. And what you're doing is not working. I think they have that in and I think that that's the biggest factor you look out and you don't just point to one thing and I'm certainly not putting blame antero. Everyone plays a part of that but you had a guy I that was the backup to Kyrie irving that felt like he could have been the starting point guard. He was part of the reason that they went to the Eastern conference final. This is such a different situation and so that changes the entire complexion of during the ups the downs how I think the perspective and mentality of the some of the blame for Kyran Boston's not his fault Jason Tatum not being offense player wouldn't Kyrie's fall them having all those forwards to try to get that rotation. That's not his fault rozier wanting to be a starter get a new contract. That's not Kyrie's fault. We gave a lot of blame for what went on in Boston. That was not his fault. A lot of Danny ainge should assume some of that in Brad Siedman did not have a good year he should assume some of that blame and I just saw last year real quick Diangelo Russel being a guy that people said couldn't be a leader couldn't fit in was one of the most beloved guys that I've seen in a while in Brooklyn so I think it shows how you can bring your guys now. Time finals has reportedly goodyear or the hundred three million dollars with the clippers turned a few heads who assumed he'd signed for four years the last year of the deals a player option so that means in twenty twenty one on quite could be free agent again. If he so chooses it also means his contract now matches up with that of new teammate Paul George say. What does this tell you about his feature? We'll for one. He wasn't is concerned about his health is some other people because if he was concern you go ahead and get that extra you get two extra years so one of the misinformation that was out there when I was going to sign was the only short term deal existed with him going back to Toronto Ooh he would try to run it back with them on a one and one but no it was not going to sign more than two years with any team that he looked at because he just finished his a season it does not make sense for him to be under contract. He's he's got to be able to have that option because then he gets that big jump in this contract so to me it speaks on the leverage he wants to have his overall healthy is not concerned about and the one of the most surprising things about free agency was how aggressive he was us in taking the initiative to go out there and talk to players who didn't have an existing relationship with and hadn't been in communication with that right there was very surprising yeah and you said it the word leverage I mean this is exactly what we would anticipate adequate Leonard. It's a smart shrewd savvy move and doing what works best and I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing for the clippers but ultimately it gives the leverage and in the power to be able to win that player option comes out look at the roster look at the team. He's someone that we talk so much about about really wanting to trust an organisation trust the medical staff trust everyone around and he can have that belief in confidence in the clippers but until you're there until you're in it. You don't ultimately know what exactly it's going to be like an also think you bring up a great point about that twenty any twenty twenty one free agent class which this contract lines up with Paul George it also lines up Lebron James and also lines up with anaesthetic Kubo Bradley some others so I think for this Leonard is setting himself up in a really excellent position it also allows the clippers to minimum of two years but allows the clippers to to continue to prove that this is the best place I remember Lebron James when he initially went to the Miami Heat. There were a number of things he talked about what the organization and but he didn't get it in his contract just talked about exactly right man as soon as Lebron sign man Pat Riley took love. That's still a way Yup. Lebron was like I thought we would ever was in the contract as far as seats people in the Locker Room V._I._p.. Services all stuff. He hadn't Cleveland that no longer this once they went to Lebron learns a lot of the handshake agreement stuff the stuff that wasn't in the contract these the the special dispensation he had received in Cleveland. He was not giving even in Miami and then he got it back when he went back to Cleveland like we are now to a point in the N._B._A.. This is not for all God's Hell Reggie bullock just had the knicks basically say the contract we agreed to is not available to you anymore and Marcus Morris went to the Spurs and said I'm. I'm going to take his contract so there for if you're not a top twelve guy what I'm about to say doesn't apply to you but if you are a difference maker if you are a guy that can turn the fate of a franchise with your decision you become eye to eye with the owner as far as most powerful people in that organization as long as you have the credible threat to leave as long as you have a free agency or an option year hanging over their head and so the owners owners did not want these seven year deals anymore that became albatross is and what they didn't expect or what they didn't anticipate was the butterfly effect of that the unintended consequence of that is guys can sign with your team and immediately mmediately be approaching free agency and what they didn't anticipate was how many guys at the top of the League who already have hundreds of millions of dollars will make decisions that at first blush look like the wrong and financial ones that will say oh the spurs can give me five years two hundred million dollars. No I want out of here. Oh the rappers and you being the most money no I won't Outta here over the clippers can give me four years one forty knoll take three years one zero three that they will continually turned down enormous amounts of money because they already have so much money in order to be able to have leverage and the other aspect of this is this does let him hit free agency in his tenth season when he can get the biggest possible contract if he wants to sign a long term deal anywhere and also you look at this in in this gives you leverage. If it's a place to that you want to stay at lots of times I've seen guys in the midst of their deals requesting a trade or wanting out or not wanting to be they. They don't have any leverage other than going somewhere else. This allows us to have leverage in a place at a point where he's not necessarily needing to say I you need to do this. I want to go somewhere. You could still stay there but now he has the power because he's not stuck in a contract act for another few years. Even when you go back home you need leverage Lebron. He showed you that Dan Gilbert not bringing back the general manager. I you know some championship. We got one. He was so satisfied with eh so man Kawhi. He won't have that problem even though he's back at home still keep the pressure on the organization and his owner. Let me tell you he might have a lot of problems in life but money won't be one stays with the clippers. Is there any any part of this this because he's not sure that I see to me I I. I don't want to start speculating. That quite doesn't want to be a clipper before he's even played a game clipper. I can say this guy wants to be a clipper. The only deal to be made by his team was to do do a two plus one so we can be free agent at that tenth year he wants to He. Don't WanNa put where another uniform but it don't make sense for him to sign for four years. Even though we steal has that same thought process right there if you look at the guys who have signed long-term deals the that didn't have to Steph did it because he has full faith in the organization he was eligible for the supermax. They'd won championships. He didn't need to exert pressure. Lebron going to the Lakers signing for the maximum years was to signal due to the rest of the League. I am here to stay. Come join me like there but if you're not in that type of position unless you are really concerned about injury or about your ability continue playing at a high level you might as well continue can you to hit free agency as early as often as possible to keep pressure and to keep viable flexible options because what the other thing for quite we. I'm sure he wants to be a clipper but what if to have some that was Paul George and Lou Williams and all of a sudden. It's like man like a new through. Nobody's fault some catastrophic injury like can I win a championship here. That flexibility is a good thing that flexibility leverage and I do think he gave up money coming to the clippers money he could have had this allows him to get to that supermax with the ten year at age thirty dirty and make a lot more money there on the back end with a new contract talks football now last season Todd Gurley ran for twelve hundred yards scored seventeen touchdowns on the ground what fans remember however however was his performance in the N._F._C. Title Game and the Super Bowl where he had a combined forty five yards on just fourteen attempts and zero explanation why well girly says he's got nothing to prove this season see you by nine. Todd Gurley will return to form this coming year. I'm not GonNa talk about busy going to return to form. I'm going to be more concerned about the comments for which he said. I don't know an elite person in any any field that says you know something. I got nothing to prove the best in any field. They wake up every day with nothing to prove why gone five days with something to prove like everyday. I'm on TV. I'm trying to prove something Todd Gurley. I don't even know why he even said that like is he trying to protect themselves. Justin casing doesn't have success because all the other Tom Brady. He's the best example he's sitting out videos man. I got something to prove. He's got something to prove every year and that's why he's been able to have the long career that he's had dinner. Screen taught me something and I didn't know this because typically we are always evaluating other players. He told me once before in our end of the season meeting Christie Christa you evaluate the team understand he said do you know how to break it down position by position group by group offense defense and ultimately curious irate the players on our roster top to bottom one to fifty three and I like to let the players know where they stand on that roster because ultimately when I get to the south recap the salary cap is going to be a reflection of my ranking of what the team is so every every ear man I was not going to be out of the top five ranked vikings at the end of the season and I'm talking about. We had some great players. Not Good was not just pro bowl players play with seven different hall of famers so when you start breaking down your own team forget about what your own personal goals are people are judging you so let me tell you what the Rams Front office less need. He's evaluating. He got something to prove to him so you will hear players in N._F._l.. Phil saying what Todd Gurley said Oh. I got nothing to prove guys who don't have nothing to prove and a couple of years. You know what they're doing. They're watching N._F._l.. They're not contain the play in the N._F._l.. And if he's got an arthritic knee if he can't rush for twelve thirteen thirteen hundred yards there's no way tiger is going to be a backup. He's not going to be a special teams player like this is a year to build approve that that contract is worth it any can have a long career compared to being a flash in the Pale listen. I'm I'm legitimately concerned about his knee and I think everyone is. I'm not selling that might todd Gurley stock yet but I I'm not buying more of it. I think you have to look at the way he ended. Last season with in the comments from was his agent or is trainer. WHO's his trainer trainer said he's got an arthritic condition like none of those things which of itself was are? We all watching them limp into his car on that T._M._Z.. Video is considering the way they used him in. The Super Bowl was in the N._F._C.. Championship cabbage game was concerning like C.. J. Anderson is all of a sudden some creamier running back fact that they spent a third round pick. Was It on Malcolm Brown or I'm sorry Darrell Henderson already on the Rosser Daryl Henderson guy that average like seven yards per eight yards per touch. It's last year at Memphis that was concerning. There are a lot of red red flags for girly but to Chris's point about the salary cap in your performance. He signed that big deal but I I looked into it this morning. It is the way that deal works is it is third day of the League Year Big Roster Bonus third day the League your big roster bonus it meaning that Todd Gurley is not todd Gurley next year the rams I think would own seven and a half million dollars in a roster bonus so on the third day of the League year next year. They wouldn't have to pay that they could say you know what we there's a reason we have Daryl Henderson. We like Malcolm Brown and we'll eat the dead money on the CAP and we've got to pay Jair. GotTa pay a hundred Percent Jared Goff waiting on contracts so like the they paid him early and they paid him a lot but they have out on the deal and I'm not wishing that upon Todd Gurley I think win healthy. He's the best all around back in all but the here's a ton to prove because Azazel the last year hadn't ended that way. He's still would to Chris's point. If you want to be an elite performer I think all of us do try to prove things to people everyday or even if you have to create doubters in your own mind to prove them wrong but a guy that's coming off very disappointing and questionable into the season. He's got more to prove now than any time since he became this level player that we that we expect him to be correct me if I'm wrong. It's not like he has an injury. He could heal and come back. He's got. Orthopedic Knee Arthritis is going to be there. It's something he's going to have to work through. He's not going to have to be fully healed and then he's back to the Todd Gurley. We saw so you don't we don't expect him to ever get out now. One hundred percent of these already dealing with the arthritis girly are already had a questionable he coming into the league. Obviously the pounding typically you have arthritis that means his bone on bone. The cartilage is there. I got arthritic shoulder but I'm fifty three doing TV. I can do all right. You don't see running backs not unless less. It's someone like Jerome Bettis. Someone who's a battering Ram someone going to get about four point two yards a carry someone going to be great in the red. Zone doesn't need to avoid people as much but just imagine Marshall Faulk early in his career. Having I'm an art critic near the difference between heaven four five good years and being a hall of Famer so for me based on the talent the arthritic knee it takes away his breakaway speed it takes away his ability to be an elite receiver out of the Backfield so to me. This is one of the big story lines for the Rams if they are super bowl favorite if their favorite to be in the N._F._C. Championship game and to represent in the Super Bowl Todd Gurley he's got to be the Todd Gurley that we saw early last season in the previously and that's because so much of their offense the reason they can go eleven personnel after eleven personnel there in the same formation more than any team in football is because so much of what they do pre snap in post nap with the play actions based on the threat threat of Todd Gurley but just real quick. Tell me if you agree with you on this and I don't WanNa read too much into this these three words nothing to prove but that strikes me as a bit of denial like a bit of non man I everybody knows who I am in this league almost a little whoa. I'm Kevin Durant okay but Kevin Durant is is one place ten years into the League winning M._V._p.. Multiple Championships Todd Gurley coming that was before Katie got injured coming off an injury trying to still establish himself as is he going to be a story of a player that you remember Todd Gurley man. He was unbelievable for a few years or Marshall Faulk. That's what he's got left to prove and there's a decade to do that. Yeah Kevin Durant. He said that and we we have forgot who he was but immediately Kevin Durant reminded he reminded scored like forty something the very next reminded us Todd Gurley remind me man I played in the League along time. My memory ain't what it used to me of the Todd Gurley elite stores morning yesterday was revealed. The Coin Leonard signed in two hundred and three million dollars with the clipper. I thought it'd be four years. It was just three see what do you make of course is new deal but really speaks to they weren't concerned with this overall health because if he was he was signed a long term but it also it clarifies something that even I didn't know Toronto Rondo we thought was the only place for short term deal. They were only going to sign a short term deal so that he could be a free agent after that important Tim season right and so now he's doing it in L._A.. And it also keeps the pressure on the clippers aligned history with Paul George's his and by the way Lebron's potentially and may be honest as then we'll get him locked up twenty twenty one is going to be like twenty nine hundred sets it up that Kawai the Boardman Boardman gets paid calls Lebron so you tired of losing over there the across the hallway you want to join a winner. Oh so you're already assigned in the clippers tytler to okay. I'll see I see you all right. Speaking of the Lakers stayed on boogie cousins boogie cousins injury-free boogie Torres whereas Quad in the first round of the playoffs against the clippers he was able to come back play in the finals but clearly he wasn't fully healthy. Would you say see barely jumped over a pizza box. Bogey now says his squad is one hundred percent healed all right nick. I'll start with you. What are what are your expectations for cousins next season? I think Boogie if this is true should be able to get back to the level we saw him at with Golden State at the end of the regular season where he was not the Sacramento Kings or New Orleans Pelicans boogie cousins but was still the top six or seven centers in the League and a positive offensive player even if he was still a negative defensively I I've been holding against him because I can't get over the memory of how unathletic he looked in the fine I test in the finals finals. He looked slow and it looked like it was over for him but we talked off the on the air. We thought he wasn't going to be playing. The Finals Avian forced himself onto the court rehab so hard point then I wouldn't be as concerned about him so I don't WanNa hold against him his hard work even though it's hard now he's the best by an N._B._A.. At three point five million he's got a lot to prove this year. He should be a starter but he gets the opportunity that now he's not rehabbing. He's got two and a half months of condition conditioning cardio work explosive work that he can get back to the form that we saw him when he him and a play there in New Orleans. I believe you'll be closer to that than the Boogie. We saw last time in the finals right onto the N._F._l.. Now the folks over pro football focus sir predicted that Ezekiel Elliott will win his third rushing title. This season could be the first back to win three rushing titles in four seasons since Barry Sanders see things Zeke leads the league in rushing next season only one challenger besides a sleeper thus Barkley is like okay Barclay with the giant who else is out there. You'RE NOT GONNA YOU'RE NOT GONNA go bail his first year with the jet Gino nothing about the system. They're going to run their offense of line. Who else you're gonNA Todd Gurley early? I ain't got no goals. This year ain't trying to get an old better Christian McCaffrey. I don't think he's going to carry the ball near total yards here thousand thousand best pure runner though he happens to come from the Ohio State University and plays for the cowboys. Oh I'm sure the cowboys would like both but if they could only pick one category for Zeke to lead the League in I bet they would pick touchdowns over rushing yards the what hurt the cowboys last year pre and Post Amari Cooper was their efficiency inside the ten inside the five they need to turn those threes into sevens so yes zeke's the best hand the ball off run the ball player in the league the pure running running back in the league but it's more about scoring than total yards for the cowboys this season time now for knicks fable or the show. ooh Nick makes a list so the raptors won the title but the entire League has been shaken up ever since today my friend. You're ranking the top teams in the N._B._A.. Yes this is how I imagine we will start the season with this hierarchy. I don't think there's going to be any other major removes aside from Russell Westbrook and if he goes Miami wouldn't put them into the top seven seven seventeen seven person lists will start with number seven the Brooklyn Nets. Here's why have them there. See You said you thought there's a good chance Kevin Durant. Could I'd play next season if he does. They immediately be cognitive his attitude that is attitude that he is that we should not let me put it like this. We shouldn't cross him off for the year. We shouldn't say he's out right now. Under he comes back with the East only having to real other contenders talk to me. You've got to include them based on what we've seen from Katie you're off to a shaky start. Okay Number six Utah and elite starting five Mike Conley Donovan Mitchell Joe Ingles boy on Bogdonovich defensive player of the year Rudy Gobert they added at Davis. They made some other additions additions to their depth. This is a team that if your Guy Donovan Mitchell can table take a leap in efficiency they could be the best starting five top to bottom in the N._B._A.. Donovan Mitchell could be most improved with calmly being distributor that he is is a point guard and also a great leader former Buckeye their Donovan Mitchell watch out most improving and with boy on adding to the floor spacing number thought about him but I wouldn't pronounce no problem buoyant Bogdanovich number five the Houston Rockets speaking of starting guarding fives. They bring their entire starting five back. They had the best record in the N._B._A.. After the the second half of last season you there's if they member the final game of the year last year final day the season the rockets fell from the two seed to the four seat if if that day goes differently who knows what happens in the N._B._A.. Playoffs I know there's been a lot of bad headlines with the rockets. They got that same unit coming back that was very dangerous. After eleven and four nothing to change with the rockers still squabbling behind behind closed doors number four philly should be the best defense in the Eastern Conference and the only reason I can't say the best defense in the League is because of what the Clippers added this past week with Paul George. We know how good Joel Embiid is our HORFORD's been excellent year after year Tobias Abihu Harris can get back to clippers vice hers wasn't quite as good as the sixer and then the big x factor is of course one Ben Simmons put the Sixers or clearly second best team in the Eastern Conference okay. You're often you okay number three your team the L._A.. Clippers Kawhi Paul George Lou Williams Doc rivers their team at their number three okay okay you might have them higher than that the clippers I've got number three because of what we saw them do last year plus editions of Quiet Paul George Urge Number two the best duo basketball the Lakers Lebron and Anthony Davis. I love the Danny Green Edition will see what Boogie can add and we'll see how Frank Vogel does it but they are the only team league with two top seven players and number one the team team that I thought was going to end last year number one. They did end last regular season number one. They ended last year with the M._V._p.. The Sixty one Milwaukee Box Co.. Is Gone. This is an enormous year for that organization with Janas being able to be presented a quarter of a billion dollar no contract next off season. The buck should have the best record in the N._B._A.. homecourt throughout Savion can say can you imagine if a year ago I told you the warriors are not going to be one of the top seven teams a knicks list to potentially be one of the best next this year and nobody would have believed the team. The Kevin Durant went to that he might not play for a year is ranked ahead of them. I just don't agree with the top of the list to that Milwaukee drug. You've been on for over a year. He is just doing something to you. Who can you tell me who you'd have number one the clippers yesterday who was the better team great relievers Lakers Clippers Lakers bucks the buck's? They got approved himself to me. I put them a little bit of handle Philadelphia right there. What I saw what Jaanus in the final there's no way I can put him him above a team all right so having him number one two ahead of Kawais teammate get that mess out of here after you put the claw won't even locked him up made it do what to do? That's that's my line. That's your line sort of anyway. Accurate Syracuse Stop Popping Russell Westbrook so yesterday on the Graham he liked to picture of himself wearing a heat jersey. Still a member of the thunder was that on Instagram Graham Graham Graham. That's trying to get you. Don't let them hate on Shanna. That's my choice. A new report says that they are willing to take on Russia's mind. They're also willing to take on Russia's personality Sarah. How does Russ need to adjust his game moving forward if he wants to be more effective or is there no adjustment that he's going to make you think you gotta keep trying? I mean Russell. Westbrook is supremely talented. We know that so much of his game is predicated on his athleticism on US motor older <hes> on the aggressiveness of service of which he plays but it always has come down to the word efficiency in that's been the biggest that works if those shots are going in and if you're doing the right thing right right but I think for us and we saw him throughout the course of different from seasons taking more three point shots in the pacy plays in and that's where shot selection for any player is always a major factor in how good they are and how effective they are and that's where Russell Westbrook struggles ruggles and you can't tell me that player that can make up his mind as he did against the Lakers to go out and get twenty twenty and twenty can't be someone that could be a dominant force on a team however you've you've I mean that that is extraordinary and so you can't tell me he wouldn't be a major addition to a team. That's got a great infrastructure and excellent head coach someone that understands how to utilize different pieces and role players in in a player like Jimmy Butler but it will have to come down to careful strategy careful earful game planning on how you figure out the best places to put Russell Westbrook how to make sure that the coaches the one and whether this is pregame postgame off season preseason going through film showing him good show. I don't know in these these are things I truly don't know I talked to people from Oklahoma City that enjoy playing with Russ that like Russ's that hit enjoyed coaching Russ they believe in what he can be but it's all about trying to show him what shots he shouldn't shouldn't be taking endgame situations and we saw the last year which I know Nick has talked deferring to Paul George and giving him opportunity to really take over that team however when push comes to shove I think more of the issues with Russ come down to the fourth quarter fourth quarter decisions decision making at the end of the game name and that's where he often fall short and those are the areas of which you would need to make sure to improve. It's about as jump shot more than anything. It's it starts almost ends with his jump shot the last two years he has led the League in assists. He is the best rebounder at his position in the League. We know how hard he works that he takes no games off now you might want him to see a little more effort on the defensive in that he puts on the offense man but that is the case for eighty five percent Zenica players in the League. The problem is he takes shots as if he's a very good shooter and last year he was a horrible shooter and over the course of his career. He's been an average pitcher and he's now in a position where he's the second worst I high volume three point shooter in the history of the N._B._A.. Only Charles Barkley has taken at least two thousand three's at a lower percentage and Charles Barkley. The game was changing at that point he was forced because he had lost a lot of his athleticism. LETTUCES them. He couldn't play above the rim. His post game would be enhanced EFI was able to shoot so he his game was forced to shoot those three. I don't know what's happened in Russia's career that makes him think he should take four hundred three's right well. It's it's crazy and everybody knows it and it is. I don't think he's going to stop shooting threes entirely in fact. I don't think you should stop shooting threes entirely it the question is can when he gets back to just average slightly below average three point shooting like for league-wide if he can shoot thirty four percent from three which we've seen him doing a couple of seasons then he goes back to being without question one of the twelve most effective players in the league a dominant force. It's win. He's shooting like he did the first half of last year the first fifteen games last year twenty five percent from three that it's that he can become a net negative efficiency as he was on your offense and we'll see who Miami if this doesn't fact go through when who they would trade what the roster fills out Miami's a team that over the last couple I it's not like they've had a lot of strong three point shooters necessarily. This isn't a team that much of their game and system system in offensively is surrounding three point shooters we saw dwayne Wade be such a extraordinary player for them with much of what he does is in the mid range much of what they are accustomed used to working with players and getting the best out the players that aren't knocked down three point shooters and so I think part of that too comes back to getting russ to understand the system how they're going to play in where he is supposed to be getting his shots from in the context of the offense Riley is used to going out making blockbuster deals getting big time N._B._A.. Players and this takes me back to win. He signed Shaquille O'Neal and when he signed shack it was clear this Dwayne Wade's team and they told him that and they had other specific things that they put in place. He had a weight clause in his contract. As far as practice the nightlife like they came down hard on shack shack made the adjustments wanting another championship now russ will he do that. 'cause I know Pat Riley did that for joining way when he had to defer to Lebron he did that to Lebron was Lebron at the right plane. Wait his overall condition. They made him change some things Chris Bosh when he signed they forced him to change some things now. We'll Russ be able to listen to Pat Riley because Pat Riley is demanding and if they trade for roles he can't continue to play this way. I'd be shocked if he shot four hundred. Three's fourteen is run by Pat Robertson. He'd be successful if doesn't play this way or are you going to see what you saw last year no well. I think that he the this is the way he along gates his career. I mean there's going to be your twelve now. He is no he was for a long time a top three RAW <unk> athlete in the League. I don't think he is that anymore. He's still a top fifteen raw athlete but that's going to go down each and every year the way guards can play fifteen sixteen years is if they develop a shot. Why did Jason Kidd get to play what Dame near twenty years because he developed a shot after not having won early news he could play off the ball? He's last few years and won a championship after never really get into two finals with the nets but not winning a title like Russ. Let's has the respect of the entire league. Everyone knows how much it means to him. People respect his loyalty his tenacity his fearlessness but at some point for us it's got to be less heart and morehead and that has been the struggle for now. I will say you mentioned about Riley. I'll say another name spoil should be the best coach he's ever had by. An enormous margin could the culture shock of being traded of it not working. It came close to working with durant but it didn't it didn't work. You're no one was there. It didn't work. The two years Paul George was there then George leaves now. You're traded is that enough of a shock to the system for Russ to finally recognize. I've got to adjust if not then he'll be what he is is which is a future first ballot hall of Famer a great player of his era but a guy who in some ways couldn't get out of this moving onto Lebron and the Lakers now last week it was reported that Lebron would be the team's defacto point guard next season from there a plethora of potential Acre lineups for this team or thrown around this was all before we heard from the head coach yesterday at Summer League play we heard from the head coach. Frank Vogel was asked about his team's lineup. Here's what he had to say. There's no decisions made on our starting lineup. <hes> no imminent plan to start a ron at the point guard spot <hes> a lot of different nominate lineups and combinations have this have been discussed but it's really way too early for any of that <hes> he'll be a primary ball handler <hes> in our the system the same way he has been his entire career but certainly not gonna ask him to do anything that he hasn't done his entire career so <hes> you know it's going to be a situation of just put all our guys in the in the best position to have success on the basketball court and look forward for it all to take place at the right time all right Sarah. Let's break this down a little bit. You think Lebron should be the Lakers starting point guard. I love this and I love this conversation. Every time this news came out every time we tolbert when this news came out and talked a lot of players coaches and and it's almost been laughable because it's like Lebron has been a point guard essentially his entire career and we see so much. I understand that you need to put in your rosters and put in your starting lineups but it's it's more of a traditional right. Now is anything position lists and it's absolutely and it's been that way in. I'll never forget last year when the Lakers were coming to play Brooklyn in it was a story heading in that Lebron was going to play point guard that night and it was the first time that he'd been slotted in the roster and it's the same story of okay fine so you're right in the starting lineup. The question often comes with the position or playing. who were you guarding? I do not think that Lebron on James is going to be guarding the opponents starting point but yeah do you want the ball in his hands of course see an excellent option given who else they could put in the lineup. I think this is something that when you have Lebron James on the floor you have the opportunity to play him at one through five and you're gonNA utilize him in creative ways as has been done the entirety of his career. I do think though is frank. Vogel said which is you shouldn't be in a lot of the media a lot of it's speculation. It's going to continue when you get into preseason. Training Camp and people are able to see kind of the way you're running things and you're putting but to necessarily set starting lineup or even be discussing it. At this point in July it is early let guys compete guys compete for roles and positions and then once you start to solidify that in training camp guys will I understand the roles where they're gonNA slot in and they need to be flexible understanding. You'RE GONNA utilize different lineups given the fact that Lebron James has got the versatility. I'm glad you said that because there's so many people that do the shows they won't take competition out of sports. They just want a free ride. They just want all. Let's move this guy here. Once you're GONNA part of the essence of a team putting a team together is that everyone spot is up for grabs. You can't tell eighty eighty. You're going to play center if A._D.. Said I don't WanNA play center. That's more important than getting his number from Lebron James Number Twenty three because he doesn't WANNA log thirty minutes garden a number five going against his body and everything no. It's not the best thing for him. You want me here. I'll play four play three. I'll play to I'll bring the ball up but he doesn't WANNA play center. That's all part of making people comfortable but the number one way to make a team comfortable. is you go to training camp. You throw the ball all out there and let the best man win. WE'RE NOT GONNA go to say Oh. We're going to be this way before. The team has developed because if you start giving especially young players have you start entitling them. I'm GonNa give you this spot compared to earn it. You will have a problem with boogie cousins who started almost every game that he's participated in Rondo. He's been a starter if you just tell them before that unless this Lebron Rondo it'll be like hey man let me back back Lebron James. He is a better point guard then me so it becomes important that we don't remove competition from sports because what is sports without competent at that point right there. The one you made at the end is why a bunch of them was okay but that's the one I'm going to focus on. The one you made at the end is why that naming Lebron the Point Guard for the starting lineup is a positive and more than just well. He's going to be the defacto point guard anyway because if you if if it is between Rondo Cook and Caruso I believe that cook actually can be more effective on court on the court with Lebron than Rondo came because of the shooting because of what he can do spacing the court and Rondo and Lebron Rhonda was the only player on the Lakers last year that had a negative on-court rating when he played with Lebron everyone else was positive you know why because Lebron was on the court except for the minutes with Rondo so when you name Lebron the point guard then the other point guards on the roster no okay so I'm not starting harding and I think Rondo is a guy who we know what a good leader he can be. We also know the other direction he can go but the problem for the Lakers could be you can you mentioned competition see and I and I respect it but we know three of their starters orders. We know we know Lebron starting. We know Anthony Davis is starting. We know Danny Green's starting. There's no question about it. The salaries dictate that their their status in the league dictates that I keep being told they are going to start a center that they're not going to do what I think. The best lineup is which is a d center then. They'RE GONNA start a center so that we don't know who you're jail so that leaves one spot left and is that going to be Kouzmin probably should be Kuzma. If it is coups MMA. He has to get back to being a good three point shooter last year he was one of the worst in the League on open threes thirty one percent on four hundred open wide open three pointers. That's terrible his rookie season thirty seven percent on opened a wide open three pointers when you're if you're going to have a D. and center and Lebron out there we know Danny Green can be a knockdown shooter. You need that Fifth Gyn. You're starting lineup to be a real threat from three so that's why I can't just give it to coups because if he even though he's the best guy if he's not shooting they're going to have to find someone who can in that role but here's an here's the thing to go along with that. which coaches will start to figure out we see many teams go through ten fifteen twenty starting different starting lineups throughout the course of the season it changes but a lot of it does have okay? What's our second unit look like who who are we having anchor our second unit? Do we want Anthony Davis to play the four of the five what does A._D.. WanNa do what conversation says he had with the coaching staff of saying so all of this factors in but a lot of it too comes in with not just what is best out of that starting five but also the depth of your team and who you're playing with the different combinations and how that benefits your team is ugly. Couple of people going to play a key role avery Bradley is going to be mentioned as a starter. He is a viable option because he's able to guard either the one or the chest and take all that pressure off Lebron where he can guard a three four or even a two on the wing and also Alex Caruso. We have not talked about him. We talked about him signing. I was very impressed with him last season as far as what type of athlete and he's going to get some minutes Yup dimming quaint group. They're going to get some minutes but I thought you made as far as the minutes of that second rotation then it becomes very important so vogel he knows this. They got their work cut out for him but a lot of these options they are good options right is going to be in lineup. Is he going to shoot better boogie cousins Kenny that starting does he wanna be splitting time with Javale McGee or is Davila McGee just a backup. All these things have to be worked out in training camp but yes there's always competition but people know there's obvious there's only a couple of spots available whiff Lebron with a d. besides that Danny Green yes but he still has to have an impressive training Kim Frank Vogel. They know what his options are but that doesn't Levy eight the pressure of being. They're making the right choices of putting the right lineup at they're trying to make happy happy. He doesn't WanNA play the five trying to make Lebron happy with the point trying to make coups happy by that's a lot of pressure to place on a first year coach with the Lakers. I don't think pressure is the right word to use. This is a great opportunity. Tell me when he got a better roster. Tell me any any year to Frank Vogel coach. That part's not even thank you that'll hurts not even close. So how could it be that much pro. The price will be to get off to a good start the because there's the stories in the L._A.. Times already written about Jason Kit it didn't have that he didn't have pressure when he was in Indiana. He didn't have pressure Orlando team. That didn't have a bunch of town right but I think because and maybe maybe it's semantics because it's the most talented roster he's ever had. The expectations nations the highest they've ever been and you've got Jason Kidd looming in the background. That's where the pressure will be but Frank Vogel is. Let's bring bill would think it was gonna be the head coach of an N._B._A.. Team this year after failing in Orlando and then seeing Orlando once he left jump to the playoffs he knows what opportunity this is but there is some juggling here there. Is You mentioned Avery Bradley when the starting lineup binding most people expect is Lebron Danny Green Kuzina Anthony Davis and a center in that start line of who guards the opposing point guard. You'RE GONNA you're GonNa have Danny Green Dewitt. WHO's the one of the best wing defenders in the League? That's not asking that's getting the most out is coups. MMA can't do it. You're not gonNA ask your Seventeen Lebron to do it. So there is some juggling that's going to have to be done here not to mention boogie and Rondo. Can you convince them. If you know what be still be run our second unit for us like Rondo. Maybe you can but Boogie if he's we. I saw the video yesterday so he's slimmed down. He says he's fully healthy. Those are the things that Frank Vogel.

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Wednesday 4/10/19 - B.J. Armstrong Part II

Chicago Dog Walk

15:21 min | 1 year ago

Wednesday 4/10/19 - B.J. Armstrong Part II

"I a- bang bang today is Wednesday April tenth as you heard yesterday today as part two of the jerem short interview, we talked a lot about Derrick rose and his rise in about the documentary. A lot today we talk a lot more about the nineties bowls. We talk about future prospects in the draft and just a whole bunch of other stuff. So let's get to it. Sure, let's talk about your plan career little bit. Who is? So obviously, Jordan the right? He's there for the dynasty Pippen. If you're talking about all dynasty, miss Jordan Pippen, maybe a debate there with Rodman and Horace Grant, maybe a debate there with car right and Longley who's the point guard of the dynasty? So use a Paxson is a row oppor. Oh, you know, the correct answer is Scottie Pippen. Oh, okay. Scotty Pippin point four was the, you know plan in a triangle offense, it really it was really position this basketball before we gave it a name and Scottie Pippen really was the one who initiated the offense. And so I if you say who is the point guard, you would have to say Scotty. We and I say we play with Michael Jordan, you the in order to play with him. He had to have a certain balance because Michael Jordan was to guard who played below the free throw line. He basically was a center playing the two garbage in because he was constantly in the post, which may the fact that either myself, you know, John pack soon Steve Kerr, Craig Hodges, whomever. We always had to be the opposite where he was at. So we have the proper balance for your defensive your defensive rotations going back on the other end. So, but the real point guard was Scotty Pippin, if you real answer, look, you just needed to be able to shoot the ball in order to play with those guys. Right. You had to keep the defense on its, you know, Steve Kerr coulda done it. John paxson. Did it? I did it. But if you couldn't shoot it was going to be very difficult to play with him because Scotty Pippin who's going to handle the ball for the most part. I think I got your answer though. Have you ever looking like work your way into that answer to say, you're the guy Ambi jam? No one else was right. Right. So that's it. No one else's pick for that. So it was well when I when I watched my son play NBA GM, and if NBA jail, I'm sure they're listening like I don't know how that happened. But you know, watching yourself play. NBA jam play video games. It's like the funniest thing to me. And but my son always plays me. And I it's always funny when the kids that I represent they always say, you know, what? Hey, man, you can really shoot the ball in Viet nam, did you shoot? Like that for real. You know? And I'm always like, yeah. Yeah. I did. She like that. I was like that. When I was on fire. Only problem is you know, what you didn't come to see me shoot. He came to see twenty three shoot. So. Yeah, he was your favorite player. All right. That's a everyone probably asked people if they play for the bulls. Like, you've got a good Rodman. I'm gonna throw it for a curve. Can I get a good coach story got anything through? Can you think through to get you know, I I met Toni Kukoc coach in Mannheim, Germany, when I was in high school, and I I can still remember this day. It was myself. Throw some names out at you Chucky Brown who played an NBA won a championship with Houston Rockets, Glen Rice, Glen Rice in our roommates and Glenn rises from Flint Michigan. I'm from Detroit. And we went to Mannheim. Germany we played in the plane in his tournament over there. And they had a team of the late draws and Petra vich who played in the NBA Toni Kukoc Vlada diva Dino Raja, they were all in the team, and we played them. It's a team in that time. They were Yugoslavia I believe in and I remember playing against this guy. And they call them the waiter. Laughing at. The call the waiter. And so, you know, you see someone high in like, okay, he's the waiter. We'll have you in and some years later lo and behold, there's this guy plan like Italy, and they call them but waiter, and I was like I've heard that before. And then I look, and I was like that same guy Tony coach, and he comes over here and in and the story is he comes over here. And we you know, we catch up in. Hey, you know, I kind of knew him from afar, and he comes over and he didn't speak English. He does speak much English at the time. And I asked him like, how do you how how did you learn speaking English? He goes, you know, we watch action movies. We've watched Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I thought. Is that what is that what's the rest of of of teaching Europeans who don't speak English English? And and I started looking at the movies different. He was like you want to go to a movie, and I think we went to see like Rambo or something and and not to start. Wow. That was interesting. I never thought. You learn when you're watching these action movies, but that's how they learned how to speak English. And I just thought it was interesting. I thought it was going to be like a part time way too. Know what I deserve the waiter. It's a stuck out to me, you know, like. Was a waiter. But twenty was he's a great player. He had a great career here. And you know, he he was a wonderful wonderful player. Not only in Europe. But in the NBA as well. Yeah, that's not a bad nickname now, although the waiter, so you know, you know, why they call them the waiter though, right? Is that because he's serving people? That's a good one. Is that what's the best nickname? You think like all time of year? God, you know. It's so many that, you know, magic the magic just I mean, it just sounds good. Right. I mean, it became his name. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's, you know magic. What am I one of my favorite nicknames was Michael Ray Richardson, the sugar, man? I I I I just always loved the circuit man thought Bill Cartwright had a great nickname the teacher. Okay. Because you know, what it was like why are you call him to teach her. And then after the first practice after you get hill boaty, you'd be like, oh now you understand he he's the mailman. The mailman was a good one. That's strong man is good. You know, there's so many, you know, Lance Stevenson. I think has a born ready is a great name. So I started playing guitar right now. It just fits in. So well, it really does. Obviously with the bulls. We're looking to the future here baby. Let's not talk. Let's talk a prospect. Let's not talk dying Williamson job Mirant. Let's talk about maybe someone who might be their fourth. Who do you like anybody like out of college that Sean this tournament? Well, you know, you know, in in the draft, and is probably now because I worked in the league, I always looked at the draft or what it is. It's going to take three or four years. I don't care who you are. You know, it was a funny thing we're looking at it was over with some executive. They were like BJ do you realize the last number one pick to make it to the playoffs who? I mean who is it by Griffin? Now. He yeah. Blake griffin. Oh, dear grows grows. Wow. And that's what Levin years now. Yeah. So. What are you? What's my expectations of these young kids? You know, Derek was a he was just a very unique talent Derek made it to the playoffs in his rookie year. That's very we're talking about LeBron didn't do that. You're talking about some great players that have come through this league. So when you see that a player when I came in this league, you know, twenty five thirty years ago, you know, number one pick was looked at to turn a franchise around. That's why you're the number one pick. Now, we're looking at players, you know, like a Ben Simmons who's a wonderful talented player is going to take them to three years to mature into develop into the player that we all think we see today. So you know, I look at players now. Donovan Mitchell, I did not see that in college. A lot of people didn't right. I I didn't I didn't you couldn't have told me that watching him. And then San you're going to get a player. I don't know where he's drafted. Gonna say, wow, you know, watching Steph curry and I liked him. I did not see that. I don't think there were six or seven players now being able to reflect those how did we all miss the, but we all miss them. So I don't know who you really select. 'cause you don't know how it's going to translate transfer into the NBA. You don't know how their skill set. You don't know their makeup their kids. But what you do you see the talent? But you don't know when that Donovan Mitchell is going to be Donovan Mitchell. And and so today's draft, you know, what you're just hoping to get a kid in my humble opinion that can be serviceable player because you're there's they're so young, you know, when we came out most of us play, you know, went to school for three or four years you had a better opportunity to properly evaluate these kids. Now, you're drafting kids, you know, straight out of school. Maybe played thirty games. Think about this kyri Irvine played in like seven games. Yeah. And was. Number one peg and he's pretty damn good point. He's pretty good. Right. So you just don't know. I don't put that type of pressure on today's kids. But I do see I see some wonderfully talented players, and I'm telling this kid's ion. I mean, you you see the town talent you see the kid bear, it you see so many talented kids. But which one is it going to make an in the NBA. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's you really don't know. And that's part of the part of the risk. That's part of it. You know you draft, and you close your eyes, and you and you cross your fingers. That's exactly what you do. Besides the three championships you want, which one was the most satisfying the first one the first one was was the best. I mean that championship was everything was new every game that we played, you know, beating the pistons for the first time, you know, go into the finals in. You know, even though we lost the first game to the Lakers got I remember being I I've never been so excited about a game just playing in the NBA finals. I I had watched every game as a kid playing in the finals, and all of a sudden I woke up, and it was like I was actually planning in the final show that was just a great great time for us for the city, Chicago. I mean that was a big time. So that was a ninety one was the first one just going around that era. Nine ninety two is huge. The hawks went to the Stanley Cup. Frank Thomas, like just burst on the scene Cy Young like the bears Ditka ended in ninety two. I was just like what is it? This is city just crazy at that time. It was just you know, you live here. This is this is also this is the greatest sports town in all of America. This is the best. It's the best. You know, you hear that people throw it around. This is the best, and you know, I currently live in LA now. And I was speaking with Anthony here we read a another location here before coming here. And I mentioned him. I was like, you know it. I forgot that every place you go sports is on television here. Okay. Okay. Every you know, the the the cubs are on Chicago sports is on every place, you go in the city of Chicago in LA surfing. The cooking channel there's entertainment tonight. And you I was just reminded like this is a great sports town. This is just I mean, people care they're passionate is with sports here. And I was very fortunate to experience winning here and. You can't beat it. And when we won here, and we we go here. And and I, and I, you know, I make jokes all the time. When I come here with my kids, my kids are like dead. How how all these people know, you know, they were they were they weren't even born when I was playing, and I was like, you know, what you love you hear people love you here. And they don't forget, and I'm fifty one now and people still come up to me even today that have been here like oh, man. It was great and that on in the cab drivers and everything. So I it's a great, and this is a special place in and it's just a great place to play. And then I got asked to tally off that have you ever heard from someone maybe not a climb maybe from someone else. But that's like, let's talk about Chicago people really talk about the weather. Why can't we land anyone here, man? Well. Whether is like, it's like, it's like it's like it's like an excuse that you do excuse you give when you really don't want to do something. And and and I'll compare it to this. When you don't really want to do something and someone asks you to do like, hey, I'm having a party next week, and you go, hey, you know, I got a family commitment. No one ever questions when you say, you gotta family 'cause all married men know what that means. You know what I mean? Like, I got a I got a family. What were you know? So every the recipe in the formula for success for any franchises. You gotta have great players. You gotta have great talent. And it goes through cycles, and you need great players in great talent throughout this league. But there are some that are just exceptional in right now. Like all of the franchises. Everyone's trying to find that exceptional talent. That pushes them over the top. Right. You know, a Kevin Durant pushes you over the top. You know, some of these players are just like incredible players. And you know, Michael Jordan was just an exceptional exceptional talent. You know, the rest of us were pretty good. But he pushes you over the top. So it's about finding that one generation funded generational style. That's what it comes down to. So I don't think there's anything that the rest of the hasn't experienced. Now, we're just experiencing what it was like when Jordan was here, except we were just on the other side of it when we were winning. But you know, when you see Jordan you ride that wave, and you you you gotta appreciate it. Because it's rare that you see that player perform at that level for the length of time that he did. And I don't think there's a player that has done that since Jordan. So we have a lot to be thankful for here. This is a great city. And at some point there will be another run. There will be another great player, and hopefully we'll be able to do it. A celebrate again because there's nothing like celebrating in grand park. I mean, it's the best amaze really is happy. Jay, thanks for doing this, man, man. Thank you so much, and we got to do it again. And hey, all the best end you guys. Do a great job. You do a great job period. I really appreciate you having me on. I appreciate the San so many nice things about the city to like, that's you know, that's what it's all about. So besides that pood- the Derrick rose. Story airs on Thursday, April eleventh, six o'clock central could watched stadium dot com and check that out. That's right, everything we got everything you got everything in there at their art everybody. We will catch you tomorrow.

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EP 24 - THE GAME PLAN with Kyle Lowry (NBA Champion Toronto Raptors Point Guard)

LightHarted Podcast with Josh Hart

38:40 min | 1 year ago

EP 24 - THE GAME PLAN with Kyle Lowry (NBA Champion Toronto Raptors Point Guard)

"Aw I'm not that type of doing score hundred percent. I need to face the call this one dangerous. Welcome everybody to another episode lighthearted PODCAST lighthearted podcast ask another approach. You'RE GONNA have gamers athletes going to have businessmen moments. I would say that probably was really impact tackling child then and nobody ever talked about it like I never you know lighthearted you know what's up everybody. Welcome to another episode of the light-hearted podcast. I'm your host Josh Heart. My brother and Co host met him in is here with me and spirit definitely in spirit of urine La of complaining too much because the weather weather over over here not too bad like sunny like sixty five seventy right now so It's perfect it's not too bad. Yeah it's not really. It's not over the humid. Because it's you know Kinda later in the month and all that so it's it's very very nice weather take a walk after so that's what it is here too. It's like seventy year too low complaints on me here. Nice getting ready for a road trip. Yup Doma laundry Getting Ready to go pack after I come back from my walk and yeah got a nice little three game road trip. So it'll be fun. How long you gone for We got three games so I would say we probably offer offer leave the Tuesday. We leave Wednesday Get back Monday. So FO- six stays. That's not bad. No so it'd be cool little nice little trip you finish it up in La. Yeah so us. I mean it's always a good time we could we get to go to La. So I mean you won't hear me complaining at all you're GonNa come see your former nephew. King not definitely will only bad part about it that it is a is on the back the back so I don't we don't have as much time in la which is kind of a bummer but deathly swing through and see my guy. Yeah I was talking to the I think you saw it on my story but I went to the phase clan kappa pop up on Melrose Was Super Dope. But I was talking to the guys from phase and I think we're going to have you have you blew. pull up to the pop up on on Sunday and just check it out and I'm definitely going to pull up. CEO She has some of the stuff is and etc so My head cop a couple couple pieces on there but Excited the Ted over there. But are you gonNA have sugar fish. It's the question Yeah that's that's definitely the one with a couple of spots. I gotta hit when I when I go down. What else is up there? I'm not sure when but Tom I love Dulan's one of the love Dulan's on a on Manchester. That's one of my one of my good so food spots so that's all he wanted. Hours hit All dependent I want to go like boozy Noble Malibu. Oh good food little expensive but chill ago Arthur. J. Man Beats overlake like my favorite goto spots I'M GONNA check out the game and then I actually have to thaw a messy on Sunday when you're here and then I have to go to Dallas on Tuesday For someone pictured ominous so messy Jalen and then right from Dallas. I'M GONNA fly to New Orleans to watch you guys. Play the Lakers and then I think the next day is Thanksgiving right. Yup they say Thanksgiving so Why going to have everybody thou our plan? Everything late at me but Have come down for Thanksgiving. My parents text me the other day. It was like you know we come up with Thanksgiving. Just WanNa know so. We don't find out last minute because that's usually what I do like text them like last came here at Texas at like eleven o'clock at night and the guy's got a six o'clock in the morning I was that was that was wild if layers so so this is a better at that one but obviously Soon so Bob Bama Heder by down here so I have to figure that out is a big Morgan and cook again now. Probably Task Cook Auto Pants he might. He might cook something but you love brother. That's crazy. I mean that's one thing I was like I gotta got to have Task Cooks Fire. Food I got to see how well she cooked very fattening. Food reduce what I love so and and this is what God is Thanksgiving. It'd be a little fat so we're going to see but I'm a have her cooks. I'm excited for that. 'cause she's only been cooking. You like healthy stuff yet. For the most part there'd be like a random like cheap millan there but like I gotta have like some won. Ham GotTa have Turkey. I'm not crazy Turkey fan but I want to have like a A honey baked ham. You GotTa have that. I have to have a green light. Greens Yom's Mac and cheese sweet potato pie a audit stuff that needs so you know the see how you cook some of that for last US last Thanksgiving your dad found out found a way to make Brussel sprouts healthy cooking them in Lard as I get some vegetables a UN unhealthy food at time of year. Man I got some good fat on because like the best thing about Thanksgiving is the leftovers. I asked the best part Thanksgiving like now. You Got Leftover for like a couple days and he just get to like this you know. Just go in so I guess sake the best part so your Guy Cook really good food and got a lot of it so you have facts and then are you. You're you're able to like be in town Tom For all the Thanksgiving and then you go out of town or anything. Because I think weren't like you traveling over it and like a one of the most recent years yet I'm still traveling uh-huh unfortunately we We have a game the next day way so GonNa Miss Missile later later and we'll probably be like a kind of like a Thanksgiving lunch approaching Lebron's air but A At least I'll be there for some time so I'm happy about that. I see is better than nothing. Exactly as you guys got. Okay see but then we come right back after so. That's not not too bad and they play really. I mean we see the schedule. You play them on Friday the twenty nine. which is it after Thanksgiving and then again on Sunday away in home and then you got Jalen Jalen coming back again on Tuesday sta so funny whereas sometimes how to schedule works is hilarious? It is crazy. What about you Ryan? You've like Mr Couple of games. Are you feeling about everything how are you. How's your body filling a pretty good in need the knees? The knees good analysis In terms of when the ankle will kind of get right. I think that's the biggest thing so hopefully that will be soon a kind of wanted to be now. Obviously I WANNA play. I've been trying to convince my trainer. It was a play but I try to help a little bit yesterday and I would say you know my ankles not there yet so Hopefully I'll be able to get back. You know in the next week or so. Yeah I mean it ankles definitely not something you want to mess around with and it's a it's a long season you know. Yeah so that's why I'm just like I want to get back. You know. I really want to get back but at the end of day like a really long season so I just Kinda I gotta take my time with it cutting the biggest thing I wanna get when I get back. I want to stay back. I don't want to get back and then you know come Back Cup day before I should've and then I play a game then like its woes up some and etcetera etcetera so That's the frustrating part. But like you said it's a long season so I just gotTa make sure the ankles right and you know kind of go from there. Yeah I mean you guys. Obviously you know a little banged up. You have a lot. I think the other game you guys had like six or seven people out but also you had a big win over the clippers and people you know everyone's getting a chance to really playing and Bill Conference early in and step up. Frank Looks Great. Yeah I think that's the biggest thing and Dan you know you Never WanNa have your guys hurt but not one good thing about injuries you get to see opportunities other guys step up and kind of show what they can do and It kind of helped the team in terms of guys getting more experienced guys getting Game Reps and getting more confident so We have a very deep team. We have a lot of guys that can play. Good minutes on you know any roster auster and a league but you know like I said of course you never want injuries but when you have injured is another opportunity for God's step up and and does it go out there and who love it you WanNa get into some Smarter Heart I. Actually we gotTA congratulate last week's last week's winner Casey Kirsch case occurs. Yes congratulations on the win. That thousand dollars for Bimbo giveaway shutout event for for the sponsorships and putting some smiles on people's faces always give a shout out to them. Yup giving away money every week. Uh each got to do is add. The podcast layer podcast on van. Mo- can your qualified you're qualified to win We're also just for those of you guys. That are new. We do something called heart to heart every week where we'll Take questions and we allow you to ask them through the APP. All you have to assess us a penny ask you a question. And we'll answer it on the air we donate to charity at the end of the year. So and we are going to try something new this segment which we've never done before we're going to allow a listener to call in and ask the question live which we think would add a completely different element to it for those of you guys that were at the live show. Jay Hart pulled an audible last minute and called called the question asker up on stage and when we all right cool so we rocked. People loved it. So we're like how. Let's replicate that through the shop. Definitely so call or going to do we're going to do one Do One live question. And we'll do. We'll do a bunch of other just. We'll just do it. How we normally normally do it? Let's see here at the moment on my downloading pokemon from my road trip case breath very exciting. Dominique Saint wants to know. Hey Josh given the length of an NBA season. How do you try your best to stay in shape shape physically and mentally whether it's Diet how you train cetera physically is probably the easiest thing Just because you know you know you're playing games so often so you just gotTa make sure to to think eat healthy and hydrate and as the biggest thing I got down Albert. got a chef and I make eating healthy very easy for me. I definitely have a little bit of a sweet tooth. Some definitely always snacking all Mike Nights Sore twizere or something like I have to some. I'm doing that by Kinda cut down most of the bad food food that I'm kind of putting into my body so kind of that on the physical side an hydration legacy is huge. Again your sleep. So so that an immensely Now is a tough one because this season so long to so many up and downs of the season. You can have a great win against no Boston. Our La Lakers one of those teams are at the top of the the League right now in terms of records so you can be one of those teams you like. Oh Yeah we're good. I've got a role the now Da da and then the next day you could it. Does loser wanted to wanted to work. Like go to states Struggling a little bit right now. So it's like monthly. It's tough off but you just gotTA listen. You Watch film no have good friends or family around to kind of keep you monkey be grounded. And I think that's the kind the biggest thing Sean Biloxi wants. No Josh Howard. A team of former Nova players do in the NBA I think about this have Cailloux at the point. Me Too McCullough three arrogant before probably more at the five and you got. Who Have Jay Leno Dante coming off the bench? Jalen Dante Ryan coming off the bench. That's a solid sal. Little mob right there. I think we'll be solid Kahlo. Bdo all-star that so you got to lean on him for his the leadership in his expertise. But I think we can be solved. I think it would be a solid team. Yeah it's a tough question because it's I think the natural ways to like just take all of those players and be like. Oh yeah they're they're all good so the team will be good but because you guys have so many people in the league who overlapped during such a short period of time time you guys would essentially be playing with like the same team that you played with when you one which would automatically just probably help you beat teams that have way more talented you. Yeah definitely that we definitely already have that chemistry and under the Camaraderie. And everything is like you said most of us. Actually all of us really play together except for Kahlo old as So I think we'll be solid. I think we can. We'll be able to hold our own a little bit Josh. How tough is it to not play Boue team flights? It's easy for us because we don't really play cards on flights like I would bring some wives a little bit of while flights but We could be here with so many young guys they don't do best we really have or by J. J. D. Buffet drew the main JJ coaching why doesn't really play cards. The edifice talkative so he kinda just somewhere challenge. I don't you drew drew chilling so we don't really got so May- May maybe we need. Maybe we need to start switching up maybe not boomerang. Could you can definitely lose a lot of money. I know God it's lost five six figures you you know but I don't know like some talk or something I don't know I don't know how good old fashioned war Devin do some war you know. That's that's easy. So maybe we are we. That's what we gotta start doing doing that on the flakes And now which we as promised were going to do our first ever live caller yup. Let's do it you guys there Josh. We got Connor Connor. We got josh all right connor you are. You're part of the first ever live question on the first ever light alive question on why harder podcast asked him. I am an preceding listening so You WanNa go ahead and ask your question. Sure I'm curious about you guys. I met definitely going into let going into the start of our software year when I went to sit well He D I met the NB on facebook. We're still on facebook Is kind of like congratulations. Hurry come to you know you got into the school and got into the school. Like like four days before foursquare started so He just kind of reach out to meet with the new kid the year before. This kinda sad if I need anything definitely hit him up or no and everything like that and then you know first day the movie actually real physically met and is kind of no kidding before then I was just I was just the way getting a you. Who is giving him buckets? But we haven't met yet it. I like it. I like the weapons. I like. The maps Only thing I just forgot because I was the update four-night but then after I got off the phone I got paid on. Wow played a little bit battalion. Nine hundred forty four I just forgot how much camping goes on on and in a car. I guess it's crazy us. We will do and like they. They can't on they touted. Try Talk Trash by their K.. D. and aside bro like you can't talk trash to me about your Katie. You just sit in one spot you know if you sit in a corner of a building where the shotgun going to just shoot anyone xbox like you don't get any credit for that so I like it like I said the game plays dope the maps of good weapons. Good But we we gotTA figure some way to cut out the camping. Camping is crazy so I guess some last over got two picks them out about US Alma about a sorry introduce on our guest Bhagat Pixel one from the four the giveaway my man Michael Bell here we go. This is what got momentum. Shout to my man Michael Bill for winning the thousand dollar Ben. Mo- giveaway away presented by OSCE shelter Ban Mo for that Shadow to my Guy Michael Bill. So Oh my guy. Lot of this is the first name that we've we've never had to question the pronunciation for Ya. Yeah no right like a WHO. That was the first easy one so I'm very pleased very about that so I guess last one not at least kind of introduce our guest today. No world champion on how many times. NBA All star the House a handful of times. NBA All star. Who Want to Villanova had a quick stint only two years but I'm definitely left a lasting impression on that program and still you know it was connected with that program Who Graciously? I think last year it gave you a million to the basketball program. Their so someone who definitely A leader in a role model definitely on on and off the court for God's from Philly guys that went to know guys that went to build over like myself No Ryan Jalen and etc excetera and the list goes on but Very happy to introduce Kyle lowry Think this one was really coordinate. Because able to see and hear how mature he is and kind of know coming from where he came from. You know he wasn't always always like that you know obviously from from philly anyone that knows. Or here's in North Philly isn't it. You know it's not one of the greatest areas to grow up in but but someone who's just kind of always fought his way through And then now really reaping the benefits for everything that he that he's done so saw Quarter here so I'm very excited to give this episode. The hardy family gives us up to you guys and hopefully inspire aspire some you guys You know in a positive way so I guess Do here's the car Larry Soda. Be Light hearted podcast presented by Ben. And I'll see you on Sunday for some sugar fish facts and so guys and welcome to another episode heart podcast presented by Fen mow. I'm host Josh Heart of Berlin Co host. My human here with me and we got a special guest. Naxi it's not about I champion. But his second Ed Danny on here call our appreciate you coming out in I. I was very surprised he did it. He tells me he was like you. Think Kayla WanNa do it and I didn't add and I I kind of beat around the Bush you. They're trying to answer the question. Come like I know killer. I don't know if he'll do this before the game or the game but they do typing Louis. Oh He's going to take care of my father S. I told him to summertime. He asked me about. You asked me about the summertime and I was like you know I'm a man of my word is one thing about men. were no matter if it's because I won't see you get into we play Play on a couple of weeks. I must say but you know it's you know it's the night before a game in whatever still give my time and my residents either we is wildcats as real wildcats. We stick the exact. Ah Forgot to even ask now. I'll go remember but You Know Don wouldn't do it down here and now he. He did the night before the game. I think they had like two games. They lost by tip-ins. Whoever uh whoever tipped the ball in on a team had like dinner where I wanted to players on Utah? I before his Co. had lake whoever was there who used used to be a golden state and to tip it and yeah and then it was Jaylen Brown. I think him and Jan abroad dinner the night before he likes soccer. I'm not I'm commanding no more so Where where did you spend all season? offseason went by too fast. I was home in Philly I live at home around around Nova this home. I do a lot of time and day is kind of training. Getting Ready for season traveled a little bit but off season. I'm kind of home and has home base around around Nova in our training over and work out there You know I try to stay home because the season were literally going everywhere so I spent some time with my boys Mike Mature Boys Carter Cameron is be at the House. 'cause you got a Nice House get to enjoy it right you. Only only their I think their total like honestly probably twenty two days in through sixty the whole year. But you know it's a home for number during retired WTMA household but I it was like twenty two nights total and but every night is a beautiful night to be overstated. Your House No. The first time like the summer is the first time I met him this past summer. No could I use the ladder. A Lotta Times are all senior affiliates. So I'm hoping time will so so. The first time I met Him we played open gym and he was there when it was my freshman year I was like in like fresh off the boat. Yeah I was a little thing. All this gross. Yeah so we we were Paul playing pick up and I I forgot what happened. I think Villanova we gotta take charges so so he was getting mad because we'll be we'll take charges he play. You can't fuck it. Slide on the ball like the wall. It's not it's not a charge the block so it was. I won't play with like transition. I'm not exactly sure how was by gopher layup all of us out of nowhere. He fucks me up almost fall into the wall which is lessons early. Just wasn't I remember to play like it was yesterday. Wasn't like to hurt them. Less Union easy win on me. How and I I think that's the culture that we built the university. Maybe honest with you know. We don't let young guys win. I'm beyond switches. We own John Winners they. They're not winning. You'RE GONNA have to really like do some. Should they win that and I think that just kind of Set the toll for his career because the damn thing but they set the tone because every year have you guys have washed his career in college he got better every year. And that was the most impressive thing about Josh to me. And I'm not going to tell but and I always felt felt like I was really proud because I was able to see the growth in a progression every single year. And when I when I'm home like I see these guys. They don't the championship. was they earn that right. You guys win the championship. It wasn't oh yeah no. Aren't there from that summer. And the the time that they put in work they put in twenty as we coach on the podcast a couple of months ago and he was telling stories about what he would do to Mikhail and all those other news when they were freshmen. It's very similar to what you just said you. I mean it depends on what story coaches telling sometimes advocation than that but uh coaches. It's just what we built there You know we got like earn your stripes at like. That's what I mean for us. It was like for me it was obviously but it was from from for me the biggest I not that he fucked me up. I'm like damn this was coming off are playing horrid shit. Ah Yeah in the summer as most of the guys in some are in the league now. I see how guys aren't a summer like play games like Komo at one place but you know people play games. They don't play that hard just kind of go through the motions bugs right. Yes but this. The game doesn't mean noth- in some he's going hard it shifts. I'm just like I want. This is like this is how it is here too. I'm like I guess I'll always competitive ideas. Well competitive. I have to get to a different level come late this is the summer him. I'm coming off all sorry I'm like and this is how it is. I'm like this is how this how it has to be gifted. I love. It changed that thing. I think a lot of times guys over at least just a just tripled down. Because he had him randy Nardi at that. You had Scotty Fish League wearing some some pros Dante just you can just go down by the way Anderson like everyone was that competitor and it was like it didn't matter if it was a pickup game or an NBA game legacy competitive nature like all the way through earn like this is like to be good into a killer. Winning is everything. You WanNa win everything no matter what you want to have. We got these videos and we do attitude. You WanNa win. You want your video video you want to highlight and you WANNA make it. You know be perfect. Seems like that's what makes none of those special. There's one thing for the coach enforce it but when you have the players enforcing it day in and day out because like very few guys come into Nova ball freshman year. It's always like the one I've ever seen him ten times to freshman I've ever seen in kind of just an tim was before Jay. Wright and Harrison is kind of been I think Scottie Reynolds is the only one His freshman year was like scoop. Yeah like I'm beyond. I've never seen nothing like that. But you're stripes. They're totally. I mean it seems like every year I know you the only stayed two years but you have a dude who's like been in the system for a little while everyone knows he's good then all sons senior year his last year he just explodes because he was kind of. You Know You learned under Ryan and James Bell and a lot of D. Hill for so long so I'm thinking I'm like I. The thing that I do is so may laying out PRAC practices. I guess there's so many a second bloodbath in practice. Yeah it really is. I mean for our team honest. Honestly we didn't go as hard because we went hard but we were sure because we had like seventy seven eight seniors to juniors. I was the only sophomore and we had like four freshmen to rush through freshman. And like you know we Kinda were you know we they listen. We knew Iran then after that I know kind of we had a couple of years and then Jay was like. Nah We. We're going to turn. We will make this bloodbath again and it was just would the program did and why would we as players Kinda kept in enforcing being in the summertime. Right sometimes in an ISO- come in and work out six in the morning five in the morning before these guys and then all of a sudden practice that six six in practices seven. So you've got to be disciplined to be up to get up workout. Go to class practice. Come back shoot. You know. There's a discipline is. It's a process in progress that you have to take. It should talk that that has the best part. Because it's like we all aw individually talk trash but as teams could everyone. We all think we're better than right before even but like knowing. Ah even if no one wanted to like my we were always they were always the conversation. Wise grows the state was like it's always a conversation of what would cadaver who or that is always that conversation to have but as aw love. The sixteen eighteen eighteen debates a good one. I feel like it's sixty. Eight hundred sixteen. Eighteen sixteen team was Tough not tougher because that might be. Yeah yeah that's where it would have been. It would have been crazy because that's sixteen team just was like we gotta fight. We will rumble right eighteen inches better than everybody which is going to play. We're going to do villa score you shoot. You GonNa play better like it was just. That wasn't it wasn't like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get down and dirty. We just were better team name playing. Nobody either they play they play the championships and let them have. That played west. Virginia in the tournament was always good. President we had dues. I stride at the perfect time. We had Miami. who was the top ten? At one point a country I will was how five Okla Oklahoma North Carolina Kansas all were ranked number one they were term everybody and so looking. I anything we got one. I got a baby one. You got a bit get. Did anyone the rarities to get both so obviously player to be peace came out today. let's talk about this year journey now so you're from north. Phyllis kind of talk about about that experience growing up because obviously that's right. I mean not a walk in a park. It's just You know the player you honestly like like I just talked to and I was just like you know speaking of my real experience real life and You know when I said I literally walking through the snow to the school bus walking five blocks to the subway because you know the the bosses are taking too long and you gotta you know is six in the morning six hundred more so dark outside so you never know what's going what's going down you know and you know I've been honest like my cousin. Had to program she had two week program and honestly we had the can use juices of any are know about these. The can't Dan juicy juices was like having we have we had Thank six quarter. milks core gallon milk and That's like the live the life I kinda grew up within it wasn't it wasn't given to me. It was really earned in in in with that piece. You know a taught by my grandmother and my mom and my brother. I talked about the people that are Kinda groomed me to to kind of help me that protecting the meat from the stuff in in. Yeah I had to do it myself because you know you go to school you got you. Don't always get in trouble. You can always find trouble but would you do not get in trouble with. How do you separate yourself from getting in trouble? And how do you make sure that you're on the right path because one little small thing can take that path in intern left. We'll turn it right. Whatever it is it can go either way because you're not making the right decision? You'll grown up in Norfolk. You've been released before it's not easy. It's not it's not a cake walk. Not Villanova is not that it's it's really A tough bar to grow up. It's crazy I mean everyone who comes from that environment. The one thing that they always like the margin of error to like be you know Kyle lowry versus. Maybe someone who didn't make it and who had a different outcome is. It's so slim like what like you said one situation can cause you to go completely under right you could be super towns it but if you have the right people around you or if you make the wrong decision at the wrong time doing is that slim of. It's just that slim of a chance and we all have that listen. A lot of people grew up the way I grew up in tough. We all have the story of that but it's just amazing and now we all made it out people that have made it out but the ones the one that made out spouse. That didn't so you got to really really understand like this. Is You figure it out. You gotta hopefully you just figured out and be be the instill with the right things. Yeah I like what you said about pressure to. We've talked about it on the podcast where it's like. You know people basketball pressure you like new basketball is a fantasy like I'm living a dream off. Awesome Russia right now in Australia's do say I get what they say. Pressure like But pressure was real life. That's life and I do think I think what people say pressure Bubbas. I think that the narrative is liable. God is so there's not pressure is just the one right. It's like you WanNa make that shot shot right. You WanNa make the right past. You WanNa make the right play so it's not pressures to want to in the the need for yourself self to feel good right you wanna need like you WanNa fill like you. I made that right play. I made that shot a you need to for yourself because you put all the workers in the summertime and you put all the work in for the year so I when people say pressure real life is pressure basketball is a pressure is the aesthetic in that either film that you want in that you need to have grown Owen up North Villier when you start having success. Yeah I started. You know high school you're going to go to Villanova did you now. Do you feel the pressure like you had to make it out. You had to do it for for your for your family. Yeah that does pressure like you know you gotTa make sure you go to class and I wasn't going to class. I wasn't the best in class but I made my classes. I went to classes and I wasn't like it's just like you're you're so close right. Don't don't fuck this up. Don't focus up pressure because you're this close to get your family.

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Former New York Knicks Point Guard and Heisman Trophy Winner Charlie Ward

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Former New York Knicks Point Guard and Heisman Trophy Winner Charlie Ward

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Oh yeah he's also got a heisman trophy on his shelf still one of the more amazing athletic feats dual sport feats We've seen in my lifetime for sure and now the head coach of the Fsu High School. Basketball Team Charlie Ward. Charlie how are you how are you. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Thank you for spending some time on this Thanksgiving Week. I mentioned in the intro. Because you you it's it's required. We have to introduce you every time as eisman trophy winner as well as NBA alum. Nothing like that has ever forbid achieved. I think since or anybody's come close and I wonder in this era of specialization. Could we ever possibly see somebody like you. Who by the way? Ah You were also I was looking up by your drafted by major league. Baseball twice as is the era of the Multi Sport High School and College Star over over. Probably I mean you may have one outlier when it comes to a you know a guy plan to sports and You'll have an opportunity to possibly play those sports professionally but probably more than likely none In the Ram of playing basketball and football. which you know it's hard to do and you know I was blessed to be able to have an opportunity to do both in college college and then give it up to you know play professionally in? Most sports is one point in time but the grateful dead in New York Knicks Game Tentative Plan Mba. I mean it was probably difficult even even in your time I would imagine the balance and the dedication required tired is difficult in in in any era. But you've been coaching youth sports. You spent I think it was nine years coaching high school football. And now you're back to coaching high. Go basketball so you see kids. These days. In the way that the training or the Being specialized in one sport. Does it strike you that that. That is the case now out there. They're single sport athletes No I mean it happened during my time high school and So you know did it We just have more not doing no multiple sports which is case 'cause they're focusing on their individual schedule support and you know. I'm a big believer in you. Know guys doing what's best for their situation where they are Mainly because goes of you know. Sometimes you're behind in a sport and you WanNa be Excel in And you need more time to do that. I I think you know that's okay But just know that you're you're gonNA enjoy that one sport but if you have any kind of talent Be Able to cross over and play multiple sports than I love to sports. So does you can give you Steffan on arrest or break from your major sport and it should be like Seventy thirty you know split When it it comes to your time and whatever your major sport maybe but you know I've had even my niece here lately? Who was all about you know basketball for a minute and And then she ended up going to try Our junior year. She's a senior now and and now she got a scholarship to run track at And so you know you never know. And that's the the one thing I always talk to kids about is you know. Give you options Because you never know with sport may give an opportunity to you'll you'll get your education paid for But you definitely know that if you're only playing one sport did you know that's GonNa make it happen but if nothing else else you gotTa make sure you're doing everything possible to have their the greatest as well to be able to go to college and if you WANNA walk on no have that opportunity it as well so you're back to coaching basketball. After Several Years Coaching football why the change now. What drew you back to basketball? It's just interesting that your your coaching career tracks. You're you're playing career where it's like. You always got a little bit of a hand in in both the. It's kind of hard to get either one out your system I guess but why back to basketball now Well For Nine Years College football and I wasn't very good. I like one win season. I'm tomorrow's nine years But I took over programs that needed improvement in. You know we did improve of course in my tenure but are we just wouldn't successful And when it came to win also says and you know when it was time for me to move on from from from my school that I was currently coaching at no last night Two years ago they are really know what I was going to do. As far as sports so is concerned coaching wise and God opened up two doors in basketball. And I really wasn't looking for basketball job and And one of them just happen to be here in Tallahassee which is closer to where we were looking to move And you know it was the smart. Those deals where I had been out of basketball for nine years but before the my football coaching job I I was out of football for thirteen years. You know eleven years playing two years of coaching basketball and so I had a long lost. It's a lot of football understanding and knowledge. And just the whole wherewithal. I knew what I learned from a coaching perspective on how to WHO Run a program and also connections and those types of things that helped me along but you know to learn and understand and once I got intuit I stuck with football as the reason why I stuck with it because I needed to get better and a lot of areas so but I'm GonNa came to coast basketball. I jumped at it and I was blessed to be able to. Have you know a group That bar in you know we had had some challenges just like any new but they bought in to what we were selling very young group on a group and and we were able to have some success but also had a great staff the a through transition and so now basketball is starting to Colorado wral limit more And when it comes to this strategic plan because I was in it for you know thirteen years and I'm never lost that part so but I also have good staff and there have been been very helpful this year. We have expectations. We made it to the regional finals last. She wants to have before the final four and this year. We're looking to at least make the Final Four giving surfing opportunities interstate championship. We've always here about just the effect of the the NBA game on youth basketball and just kind of the the culture of the game the way it evolves and obviously the game the NBA game today is dramatically different in a Lotta ways than than the game. You played in the nineties and early two thousands. Are you seeing that influence on the youth game yourself. Is everybody coming out wanting to shoot from midcourt like Steph curry and trae young. Where's where's the influence or what? What tendencies using out there that that strike you not that much But as far as those guys shooting I know my team. We don't allow it. You know because we don't we don't practice those shots. Let's in and I'll tell the guys those guys have been in the gym for hours. And so that's what you WANNA do. You have to show me that you're putting in the time that they put in to get to that point and so it's not gonna be a copycat deal and then sea a copycat work ethic which I know that ours. These guys put in shooting a basketball in those types of things and so you know I guess the biggest influences just won one game saying You know a Lotta guys want to you. Know go one on one and those things and they have the ability to do that. However you know when you start playing against very are good basketball teams Long game is not going to be the most effective unless there's player movement and so A lot of people are adopting. You know the the pick and roll spreading name the floor from office standpoint You Santa in a lot of that And in hospital for the most part have players and then defensively you know everyone switching. We're something that the NBA starting to do more in colleges welded and a lot of switching Where they have same size is type players and even with you know GARS smaller guards? They're doing it. Um and then they're doing what they call ex out so You know a lot of those transit coming down to the Today high school ranks and but just trying to get guys understand that player Movement Ball Movement from an office standpoint deathly. You know it's the best way to get everyone involved and then defensively being in help help position and then helping recover. Those are the things that I was founded on with that rally in Van. Gundy in Pop All those guys you know had a great a great great affect on on my coaching style comes to basketball. And but it's of course Tony. Plus years later you know those same foundational things are still there. There is just a little different with the kids and the mentality. But you know we're pitching effort. You know that's never gonNA change replacing execution. Never going to change preaching communication and all that stuff is never gonNA change you you came in under Pat Riley. You played briefly for Don Nelson briefly because time with the Knicks was was a bit brief. Obviously Jeff Van Gundy and then for a brief time at the end of your toward the end of your career a pop when you're out on the court with your guys are any of those voices coming through you are are you. Are you hearing yourself saying the things that any of those guys drilled you on in the NBA years ago. But mainly because van. Gundy 'cause I was with him the longest and so a lot oughta things drills that we do actually have to have a drill call bank ending no shot no shot offense We used to do it five. Oh No you know have court run it through our offensive principles and say and those types of things so You you know he was the one that I was with the longest now in both of my you know with New York and then in Houston that coach down to him so a lot. The coaching you know comes from the stuff that I learned from him And so you know what I also reference pop and some of his defensive principles and things that he's he told as well There About stay unfunded guide beat him to a spot and showing your hands and not no contestant to not file and then those types of things and you know we're good player moment ball movement you know in the sense this guy not being stagnant so you know I learned a lot from from those this guys and I hear myself a lot but I also hear my dad was a coach. Come is high school coach so a lot of times. I hear and say a lot of things that he he shared as well. Yeah more like him and anything goes do you have his is it a voicing is actually the actual expressions that you use probably voice. Yeah I probably the outer famous brushes through but definitely voice. Yeah the Black Friday sale is here in Omaha. steaks has the perfect gift for everyone on your list. Laws exclusive ZIP savings for podcast listeners. You'll save big and feel good. Sending a one hundred percent guaranteed gift. Did you know seventy three percent of Americans say they'd rather get great food food more stuff so when you send Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender steaks and so much more and you'll know you sent a gift. They'll share remember and love right now during the Omaha steaks. Black Friday sale podcast listeners can get the favourite gift package for sixty nine ninety nine just go to stakes DOT COM and type full forty eight in the search bar. 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Frye catch me and tasks everyone's nine on our new Chauhan's bringing you the best of social media and the best we've got you covered tune in Handel's everyone's everyone's a nano MTV an MBA. So you you mentioned you coach Jeff in Guinea briefly after your career was over you you were with him in Houston but you've been out of the League for for a while now. Coaching at the youth level did the the allure of the NBA. Ever was that ever there for you did you ever. I was thinking about coming back to it as as a coach. No I the two years I was there With and Houston as the bad taste left in my mouth with the NBA With you know guys not seriously taking it taking it seriously As far as playing A.. And Plan for the purpose and And so it kinda roaming around way and I felt like you know my time could be better spent with with my family and so I chose to go into Water reasons I chose to go into high school coaching was SORTA I could have spent more time with the family. I have a flexible schedule. And you know some people stay in it for whatever reason they want to stay in. My reason was I wanted to spend more time to family at the time and once I got home and got acclimated to that. No Yeah my wife got used to being home. They help out and some phones fashion and I do it been around the kids and Phantom growing up And and being there for them while they grew up time that I wouldn't get back and so I don't have any desire it's time to to go coach professionally just noted as a lot of time or college at this point and I'm enjoying you know being a mentor to the kids. Did I coach and You know just being here for them and help them see you realize there goes just like my dad and my mother school coaches and I was just that helped me to realize Michael's run up you in your time with with the next nine years with the Knicks. You're report of seven straight playoffs. That was part of like for the for the next franchise they'd had they went to fourteen straight. You were there for the last seven of those in the time since then. The Knicks have been in the playoffs four times in eighteen years. I don't know how much you're still following the NBA following the Knicks but of from your perspective. What's happened? I don't know maybe we're in a famine for trading Patrick Jalen. I don't know I like that. I don't know maybe maybe a famine but nonetheless you know I know they've had some setback. You know when I first got there and I got it when I was at the end of my career. That's that's when it really kind of started going downhill as far as Well at the end of my career we we didn't make the playoffs My last two years is there Coach Van Gundy left Really start going downhill and when it came down to do you know the management and players coming in and contracts and all those types of things started hampering you know different types of movements and players. They're not panning out You know injury wives and a lot of different ways and so though it's been tough you know years for the Knicks Knicks fans to Go through they've gone through and you expect differently because it's a big market in But I think no. Now they're you know keeping it close to the vest when it comes to how much money they're put into free agents and what type of free agents and yes you know drafting you know certain type of guys and so I think they're. They're on their way with the last two drafts at least they they. They've got some some quality players you know and you never know. No porzingas left kind of forced the hand in come follow fashion. That was followed the franchise because he's franchise type player. And you know they. Yeah I guess they forced him to force him to get out of there based upon where they were going and trying to go in the future. So it's been you know hadn't been the best years but I don't think Steve Mills and Scott Perry and Dolan those guys you know. They'll find a way to get it figured out. Hopefully some of these young guys can pan out And fits you know overlay containing give him a fair chance to contain a bill Upon what he's done but I know they're hit or miss right now when it comes to. How competitive they are each and every night but I know mar seniors doing? We'll some of the young clears haven't seen really box. I'm not sure how he's playing right now. Down Yeah Barrett. And that's expected. I mean when you started thinking about a lot of young guys are sophomores in college. You know or junior in college which and so you know. There's going to be a hit or miss stock deal for some of them. And you know they do have some veteran guys on on the on the roster as well but you know when you go on through and his thing that people fail to realize. Is You know just like winning a winning program when you're winning. You always find ways to win you know and guys who been around they win but when you get losing what is franchise program. Whatever may be you know there seems to be ways that Jesus find ways to lose And and I was to people bowl when you're losing you know a lot of negative things come up. And you have to fight the negative within the room in order to contain contain persevere and push through because there's GonNa be a lot of negative negatively around the the losing that it could affect you know the locker room and when you're having affect in that way in the locker room then that's when you start losing players fast up you know support new But you know everyone wants a winner for sure but everyone wants to see guys see teams pursuing their goals by giving a great effort each and every night. And if you just don't have the weapons to to make it happened in you know just how to go live with the results. Being hours to my team is give your best effort and load the results. You know whatever the results are. You'd have to live with them but as as long as you give your best effort we can are from with his win or lose but you need to give your best effort overnight. It does seem like this is to kind on your point. This is kind of a self perpetuating thing that kind of losing seems to be get more losing and there's kind of an atmosphere it creates a mean Kevin Durant set of over the off season about picking the nets over the Knicks. The Knicks weren't what was cool anymore however he framed. They're not cool and that's seems to be kind of the sentiment among players now. Is that the you know the Nixon the aura that that was projected back during your time like. That's that's been lost for so long now that today's players they're younger. They don't even remember. The you know the that era that that sheen has just kind of gone for for somebody like you who was part of so much success here you must that must bust sting a little bit too To hear that that kind of you know judgment from today stars I mean it is what it is when you think about it. You Know Lebron watchos. La In la went through a spiral going through a spiral Out the Kobe retire. Are they trying to start your day away and find a way you know through and you know there are teams that do that but just like I always say you you know people go where they wanna go and you know regardless of where they go. Kevin Durant was with the Knicks. EXC He would make the team better so you can say you know. There's not cool anymore but if if they get players. Here's that they can come in and help team win. Then you know the Tame Oh the team will get back to you know what we were accustomed awesome to when we were there And it just means that you may have to come up to draft. There's so much affiliates done In those pigs are very vital and important to theft and you know those young guys started mature a little bit. More more You you can start adding some veterans. They can help you get over the top and those types of things so yeah the model talking all kind of one but I think it looks like. That's the model that Knicks are choosing to go. I'm as opposed to try to You know hit a home run here there. But but I guarantee if Kevin Durant was held healthy they definitely would've made a pitch for him But they've had I've Said said this before but with him being healthy and all the issues they've had with is coming back from injury. I haven't talked to anyone but I'm just no seeing through you. Know the franchise has been bitten by big contracts and guys not coming back to formula and before the end injury. That was probably something that they wanted to see beforehand and so given the right product. Come back I can do great things but the Knicks. Probably WanNa take the risk which you know which is understandable But you know they they. They chose to go a different route. And so always say you know when you make a decision you need. You'd have a plan and it looks like they had a plan that if they didn't choose to route with with Iran and Kerri Irvin they and they were going to go with you know with young guys that they had and try to bring in some veteran guys to Kinda have be competitive and they may be your your your way you know from being who they WANNA be bidding playoff contender. But you know they can keep goes phase there because I I do know that continuity and consistency and stability Does we out in the end. Maybe another thing we've had so much change in the administration. You have so much change in coaching spot. That that's another. You know factor and when you have a lot of instability in administration and leadership. You're GONNA have inconsistency and you're you know in your play and then you structure because you have so many different philosophies coming through the door and guys aren't able to hone in on you know those things unless you just got guys that my Lebron and eighty and you know like La has put together. You know they have Veteran guys come through the door and then you just adding some complimentary pieces that are pretty good as well And then those has guys you know with our whatever system. They're they're in those offense. The defense is getting on the same page. Yes stability the and Continuity have not exactly been hallmarks of the last fifteen years or so for the Knicks. Unfortunately so I'm with you. I mean I think the they don't do a lot of they're not they're not big on patients at the garden but Sticking with Fidel. Riding out this storm leading the young guys developed. This is probably their best route right now. Couple more before that you go. I know you're obviously still a big fan of the league. Who are you watching like Hoodoo excite you right now whether it's a team whether it's a player who do you like watching right now in the league right now if I get watch anybody? I enjoy watching I watched my buddy monty his team. I know there may be eighty one game on five hundred or even right now but They've been competitive every night and that team last year you know it wasn't really competitive. Come to my understanding but of course I'm a support him a good friend of mine and I know you know he's done a great job they want to see him be successful But I know he's doing the right thing about a key guys at ease coaching. You know. Just trying to teach them life skills and But I know his heart so I really want to see him be successful I like the basketball. You Know Oh team guys who very competitive basketball so like the clippers competitive The Lakers of course competitive Maybe even Boston but I like basketball in general dislike to see the movement in what guys are doing from a structure standpoint And use it. You know when our guys are watching the game is doing my My my guys or my players that I coach you know I just like share with them. You know to look at things certain things that maybe going on court because a lot of things that we're doing No on our team We're mimicking from the NBA. And so you know my ultimate goal is to be able to help our kids develop at a level. Where must they get to college because we we have some college ready for college players So once they get to college they have an understanding spacing understand of basketball. IQ In those types of things and you you know I just want them to get as I did as much of the education part of the philosophy of the game and those types of things because physically there oh babe to do out of different things but if they all understand the game it makes an harder for them to be to compete for scholarships and NBA Compete in order to early age. America stays of their college career because they're behind and so we teach a lot of concepts so and you know I just like watching the concepts and NBA offense defense And as I said you know the League against turned into a three point league now so you really have to guard at three point line But that's all philosophy type the things that an Olympic who you going to allow the shoot who you're not gonNA louder shoot And those things people people who are really dying don't keep bringing it up. Is it true. I don't know I'm just usually around people that I pastor. Rick and Morty Sundays at eleven thirty only I'm adult swim can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with with all new ways to watch through the NBA Visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP to get started today. Selene elitist proposed of the. They're considering about your changes and they're going to maybe shorten the schedule a little bit having in season tournament. All this stuff. I won't ask you to to To Wane on that necessarily unless you wants you but I did want to ask you this. I've been putting. It's everybody who's come on the show this year as many as as possible. If you were commissioner for a day you could do anything you're all powerful. You'll have to consult with the players players union or the networks or anything else. But you're all powerful commissioner for a day. What would commissioner Charlie Ward? Do if there was one change you could make the league warn one change it. Yeah anything no matter how big or small I keep hearing this proposal of you know East and West and no divisions wins and all those things feeding teams. I mean you know taking a sixteen teams. I think that's what it is is. That would be interesting because you have probably a lot of teams from the West and in the playoffs which which would be? But I guess fly in and all that really matters is banned age But it'd be interesting to see how they they see the the sixteen if they would go to a overall sixteen best teams in the playoffs whether whether East or west or taking the top two from the east and the top two from the West and then the rest of the group to make the playoffs so there may be something you know. Think about if you're trying to get parody yeah throughout the playoffs and of course just like anything houses about ratings so if you have They say Denver. Who are thirsty playing against the Celtics WHO's a friend they wouldn't be? AC They may be you know I'm just saying for instance that would be very compelling you know series East For sure now because the two teams are good teams. And that's the first round matchup. You gotta get higher ratings likely. I think the League is still shying away from the the the the one through sixteen. Mix The conferences approach because of all the travel concerns. But they are proposing this wrinkle now where the conference finals would instead become this final four where they received based on record. So you could have cross match between East and West and each of the the two semi-final series which would be very interesting at least would lead to the two best teams presumably in the finals which has not always been so. So they're saying the final four team realty absolutely get to the conference finals and correct the conference finals and then the foresees receipt and then the top two teams the finals. Yeah so like last last spring instead of it being Milwaukee Toronto in on one side and Portland Golden State on the other based on their regular season records records. It would have been under this proposal. Milwaukee and Portland would have been one semi-final and Toronto Golden State would have been the other semi-final so the Warriors Raptors would admit in the in the semifinals instead instead of the finals and then the NBA finals would have been to every emerged from those two. So it could have been both eastern conference teams could could have been bucks and raptors could have been you know warriors and blazers whatever. But that's that's how that would work okay so interesting we'll see if that We'll see that one gets adopted along with the rest of all these proposals spring before I let you go. I know you're also participating in a charity battle Florida versus Florida State this week and I think that that charity drive is still going on through Thanksgiving if people want to participate in. It's benefiting the Ronald McDonald House in North Central Florida. What can you tell the listeners about How to help out with that? Dr Well Star Star SONAL DOT COM S. S. T. A. R. S. O. N. A. DOT COM and We're at about what the University of Florida To see how much we can raise for Ronald McDonald house in our respective of cities. And so we look forward to hopefully be the gators and this in this battle and also the feel on Saturday so I'll look forward to hopefully encourage all of the Florida state listeners to reach out star Dot Com and not just myself but so my teammates in my F- issue Loomed are also in this charity battle. So hopefully they can get a shot out you know star Dot Com all all right. Yeah so folks at STARSOAP DOT COM S. T. A. R. S. O. N. DOT COM. 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EP 20 - TECH GUY WITH A JUMPER with Spencer Dinwiddie (Brooklyn Nets Point Guard)

LightHarted Podcast with Josh Hart

1:13:37 hr | 1 year ago

EP 20 - TECH GUY WITH A JUMPER with Spencer Dinwiddie (Brooklyn Nets Point Guard)

"I'm not that type of doing score hundred percent I need to face the call this one dangerous welcome everybody to another episode lighthearted podcast lighthearted pocket ask another you're GonNa have gamers athletes going to have businessman moments I would say that probably the but some good banter going on there I'm sure but I don't let me get into what's been going on this past week in and give you guys a little bit of an update Figure you guys explanation as to why Josh isn't here today We were in Toronto recording last night with Kyle lowry welcome everybody to another episode of the light-hearted podcast presented by then no I am your host John and then later that day we did Spencer Dinwiddie which is the episode that we're going to be dropping today which I'm super excited again to and then the next day we did rich climate awesome some really positive signs I thought I thought they played well together I thought they played hard obviously against the defending champions and you know in in it's there's there's really not much to say I mean I think everybody's everybody's pretty pumped I have no idea who's going to win I have no idea air miles one half of the dust brothers studio recording this for you and Josh is coming off a double double which is we knocked out three episodes which is crazy three episodes and in two days we did to back to back one day and then and then another on what's new in the light hearted world Josh was in New York to play the Knicks last week I flew out there to join him a nice little nice little segue I'm sure many of you watched the game definitely a tough loss yours WANNA come out an open up the season with the W but I think the team shows had to get ready yet a game the next day she had to go to bed and then of course I fly back to La without the device that we use to record so I'm actually live from our audio engineer drew looked great be I looked great I think this team has a has a lot to look forward to and you know we've got the Lakers and the clippers on now which is a what's going to happen but but I guess we'll see an under the Pelicans a quick turnaround and I think they play again on Friday at home for their home opener other `nother good one I'm just excited that the NBA's back honestly it's it's there's there's nothing like NBA season against the Mavericks would be a good one one of Josh's best friends and in college teammates Jalen Brunson is on the mavs there'll be some good the tuned in to hear Josh Heart you could go ahead and fast forward to the interview and for those of you with a heart and a soul stick around and hear me talk some shit for a little while who is Kevin Durant business partner and the CO founder of thirty five ventures And for any business you know entrepreneurs out there you you will love this episode I chronic actor awesome guy huge basketball fan huge knicks fan we got into a little bit you know we're kind of coming at US next and he was he was taking some offense to it Super Exciting one and and as Josh and I build this podcast and do other stuff outside of it like like investing and just kind of build our business portfolio yeah no I'm not I'm actually Matt sorry to break it to you but I'm going to be doing this one solo today so for those of you that access which was amazing they brought some some great wines and it was cool Josh hosted at his home and he brought in a caterer and he he he brought in and after we finished up the interviews getting late usually Josh and I would have done our intro but we weren't able to he was you know he's pretty tired New Orleans Josh hosted a wine dinner at his home to celebrate a a new partnership that he just did with a a wine online retailer called today and I was the first day we did Jerry Ferrara who is turtle from entourage proctor from power iconic Xian's absence Not Thought they look really good at Josh play great hustled had a couple really really big rebounds they finished with fifteen and ten it was really cool to hear from someone who you know is years down the line and you know where we'd like to be so it was awesome and then from there we actually went to oh you rented furniture and really transform his living room until like a dinner party which was which was awesome and invited some people from from the team and Villanova and the Brotherhood that that Villanova basketball shares is is is pretty amazing I got to kind of witness it firsthand and just kind of hearing them talk about the cultures there's really really nothing like it so now a packed a you know a packed week of of lighthearted interviews we got some really good ones for you guys coming down the from from the front office and it was just a good time to you know have some good food and kinda relaxed before the season started and then they were they were off to pipeline Yes so can't you know can't complain too much there and I actually spoke on a panel today in Los Angeles about podcasts off to Toronto and joined We interviewed Kyle lowry last night I was in Toronto for all of Shunt even not twelve hours maybe fourteen hours quick trips are starting to get the best of me but but now we interview kyle which was amazing because he played at Villanova Josh played thing at the the modern mobile world congress which is really cool as a big conference at the L. A. Convention Center with executives and telecom I'm and they were just kind of talking about all the different areas of technology that are going to be impacted like five G. and Internet of things and Super High Quality Hollywood like podcast some fiction some real they do some amazing work so I kind of had them on in a bunch of really kind of complicated stuff like that it's way over my head but I- hosted a panel on the rise of podcasting and audio industry which was really cool I brought my I moderated the panel and we just talked about the rise of podcasting and where it's going and how far it's come and you know all the different platforms and how to start a podcast and the data Dan jet on who is the creator of inside the Green Room with Danny Green has done an amazing job laying the blueprint for a athlete podcasts only a good learning experience I don't know if you guys heard that my espn notification just went off announcing that nats take game one and Josh from DC so I am absolutely and then I also brought on gentleman named Neil cat car who's the senior vice president at wondering if you guys are familiar with wandering definitely check them out they do and it and it was cool it was it was a lot of fun it was my first time ever moderating a panel I'd spoken on panels before but I had never moderated one and and honestly it felt it didn't really feel much different than than what we do on this podcast you know you just got to ask questions and read People's answers and Kinda read the room and it was fun I think he's going to be a really good weapon for them and he's got guys like drew and Lonzo to learn from so I'm excited to continue watch him develop when the capitals one last year so I'm not mad at it I was I was telling miles earlier before we turn the MIC on that heart to heart is going to be a little bit your name Dan we got a bunch of people just kind of sending compliments here love the show love watching you play man hey thank Stephen a love watching you play to one thousand dollar then Mo giveaway Is Steve Huhtala again. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right we we always what happens when they get matched up next time Pelicans play Brooklyn but I think it would definitely be a formidable matchup urban Washington wants to know or being that you're diehard raising cane's so I don't know when the Popeye's chicken sandwiches are coming back but you can find me eating box combo that's that's really I think he's going to be a great player he's he's got the swagger of a of a vet as a rookie shoots lights out from three confidence we're GonNa Start Bringing Out The bandwagon and talking about the nationals as if I watched a single game all season which I didn't but shadow to DC I did the same thing Pelicans and why Josh Josh wouldn't answer this but I'll go ahead and say I'm super impressed within the Keel the kills a kid now let's see Israel Oh love the show and the guests appreciate the great content not a question but thank you Israel oh I like the light-hearted podcast soon and without further ado this week's winner of the still don't have a name for this the the people have to say I I didn't post anything prompting people to ask questions I'm just going to have to go back and some of the archives and see see what saying that long twos and mid range twos are not even necessarily the best shots be taking in there they really want you either taking layups threes and then if you extend the three but Steve Congrats You also beginning Venema soon be on the lookout for that I appreciate you guys or shooting consistently fifty fifty five percent and I think I think the three point line in a good place but maybe out of four pointer maybe that'd be fun who has impressed you on win in a one on one between Spence and Josh Damn you're GonNa get me in trouble Trayvon I'm not going to answer that because I love Josh and that's my Ed Pelicans Media Day Josh was on the podium and one of the media people asked asked him a question and said if one NBA player could have a pod. It's I think it's good where it is you know it's a three point focused game right now I mean if a lot of a lot of GM's and a lot of like analytics people are in Nola now and you more connected than the average person one are the Popeye's chicken sandwiches coming back Irvine man we're we're we're perfect because most of these questions that come through our for Mr Heart but we're gonNA do a little hard to helmet and today and we're GONNA we're GONNA see we're going to see what the putting up with with me and and Listening to this intro without without Josh he you know he has a job to do he's coming again coming off Andrew Tilt wants to know should the three point line be extended that's a that's a good question now I don't think so I I think point line you also lose space along the sidelines and I think the NBA's fun when guys have a lot of space on the sidelines to kind of go to work so I mean I think instill until people Oh you know mentally he's an entrepreneur he's he's a smart ass dude he's driven he's he's just innovating I'm sure you guys have heard you know he's been in the news a lot lately podcast before the day before that they played the the raptors so you know great dude can't say enough good things about him really really hope you enjoyed this episode if they don't get some sort of deal done so you know I'm just GonNa Take Sorta what's what's out there in the public but now I mean this is just this was just a great interview what an opportunity it is and for you know going out there and trying to make it happen and and working through amicably with MBA and trying to establish a partnership Dollars each game so do the math raised a bunch of money for charity is doing it again this year but it's sort of combining the blockchain within yeah I mean hearing his perspective on things his his journey he's also you know he has his own shoe line I don't know if all of you guys know that but he were you know he created us about the token ization in securitization of his contract which is has never been done before and you know Kudos to him for for realizing what cast doesn't already who would you want it to be and Josh said Spencer and I mean I can agree mortgages hearing hearing him talk he's just clearly on on a different level tenth at Republic Nola were bringing out jrue holiday and some other special guests who we're not going to name yet I haven't talked to him so I'm not necessarily sure what the verdict is on that I know he tweeted out that you know things are moving in their direction and he'd be very surprised if welcome to another so I'm curious to hear if you guys feel that way let us know what you think and appreciate you guys listening once again congratulations to our past winners of the giveaway so if you do if you haven't won don't be discouraged you definitely still have a chance and then for those of you listening in New Orleans just a reminder we have a live show on November let's go ahead and announce announce the winners first off Congratulations to last week's winner Alexander Boyd you will beginning a van Mo from just kind of going into our guest on this episode Spencer Dinwiddie Man we we've wanted to get stood on for a while at media but I really hope you enjoy it it's GonNa be fun if your local come out merch food can be fun it's GonNa be a vibe we're GonNa Talk Pelicans who you'll be qualified to win and again we're giving away a thousand dollars every week we got plenty more episodes to go or giving away money through the end of two thousand nineteen own brand of shoe and then last last season he wore a different pair for each of the eighty two games and auctioned off the pair for I think it was about somewhere between four or five other but I'll say is Spencer is a problem one on one a problem but josh is also very good perimeter defender so you know we'll have to see guys want to know and I'll I'll still answer some someone's that are directed to Josh we'll see see what we got the first one Trayvon William wants to know who the take the tough names to pronounce H. 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Hotta Atallah a Taylor Hey Talla one has got to be one of those four the game probably probably on the plane back by now actually I don't know if they're staying the night or not I'll ask him they're probably state actually leaving in the morning but talk New Orleans we're going to you know give away some money take some fan questions little a little bit everything so that's that's we got him yeah the man is just the man's just an innovator and was grape gracious enough to to come by the team hotel and knockouts you have to do to enter is follow vetco on twitter and Instagram An ad lighthearted podcast on the APP as a friend if you do all of that level so you know the the excitement around the bidding it's Papa we think we can do big things Pryatta Kagan back and then was he yeah I mean as you add to Max guys to recorded already kind of went to the playoffs and did some good things It gives you a chance to win on again thank you for listening and hope you enjoy the Spencer Dinwiddie episode owed not GonNa lie some of the stuff definitely went over our head and we were not confused but we're like wow this you know this this is just this is just a different levels episode of the podcast I'm your host Josh Heart My brother and Co host forget my name I was trying to give I was trying to give you something else but I'll dislike ah the season by the star so it's kind of you guys made a little bit of noise this a little bit much noises off season so kind of talking about the excitement for the season for sure for sure You know got kind of credit the vets enough of that tomorrow Care Jared Dudley did a did a great job Davis will kind of keeping us together bringing some of that uh you know just leadership obviously deal had a great year was all star it also 'cause vibe last year but it was it was fun to be around and we kinda you know exceed expectations everyone you know really cares for each other everyone had that vibe and when you do that you know it's that breed success because you you know you're turned down really bad salesperson the guy the guy that puts giveaway so don't wait get mad at him so mad hellman and we got a guy in the last year but y'all y'all y'all you told me about them before like lassie like Oughta make some noise that had a and smallholder powerful word center while where'd you spend offseason Nice grew up in La so gotta go back home is your family he's back over as well the damage on the big Gig a big addition to I think we'll we'll speak about Dj the Dinwiddie from the Brooklyn Nets here with us today so tech our the jumper that guy what a jumper so appreciate you coming on Maso first and foremost you but to your point energy energy was it was different yeah I felt like when you have like a organization has the kind of college survivors is I feel better thank you a lot of stuff you've got to have to come up with some new like brother Co host Creator co-creator media manager but also the you know the existing guys really double down I don't want to be there for a while you know I think you use on your extent in the middle of last year did he did he get into it or vice versa Nah not let's kinda been his passionate whole time mis- mis- net is part of my life funding is the city like needed an organization to to have the energy that you guys didn't revitalize the fan base really yeah we got like six no five I think I don't know either way. Jj Trade more training on B you too but it wasn't in a either of US influence another to take it up it's just kind of is where I live took US individually and in mind obviously have more of a basketball fan like that but if you know is good but you know success always oh come out like only together obviously I've only been you know to organizations but like you know for like a college so we like the Camaraderie President for for a number of years now she runs a preschool my dad was in real estate kind of each other fish a lot dollars when you have the that kind of Lake Brotherhood Brotherhood exactly things got a little too much brotherhood on six guys do the brother you might turn on a semi open for something more open shot or some stuff like this I goes deeper so when you have the commodity of college field to it no a lot of people are products of their environment you know a lot of people you see I was I won't put East Coast Pupil New York Philly guy like that toughness that gripped ready to watch this here for pick a DJ so we're going to put any but air so the new pieces and then my my brothers at USC dot engineering so that's kind of my family background y you know I'll say timing fans all smart so focused his have more difficulties that's funny he's like no armie now laugh like you say you grew up just kind of talk about your upbringing so you have a little brother but just talk about you know your parents upbringing obviously I just kind of talk about that bringing Yeah I mean you know I was I was fortunate enough to have both parents my mom was got her PhD from USC it was I couldn't just be the letter like do some you on did you experiment with other sports where we all often beginning now I play football and I also skied in high school and stuff so I I pretty much specialize the basketball for most of my life yeah when you say skiing skiing competitively or just like like a little bit worship he computer he's a guy without a jumper now he is the it all contracts right okay absolutely go but yeah I think so I thought it was a breach Leeann analyses Kerosone who's this you guys had that good Coronado Z.. Joe Hair's still you know there I'm not sounding more years he has left he's I don't like the tricks and he was just like spending time now I'm not the trigger whole Duke Star fighter I if you really wanted to do and that is actually what it would actually work for star five to because literally a point guard shooting guard Demar Derozan jrue holiday I mean they're a little bit older than me but basketball shoes crazy Jewish Kalahari in their conference uh when I was younger where you ski it in La well you could drive a couple of hours Wa you can drive a couple of hours and go places mammoth with yeah newsroom on East Coast La got the more for NASA finesse the doozy like role playing against in La Let me shoot the guys in the League or weren't illegal I mean you got brand jennings why I don't drink too much a glass of wine is good for the heart you know they don't indulge too much yeah that's author yeah a little brother are out there brother goes to USC so nice is he played their man. I ain't I'm not getting on one you're not are you guys aren't allowed to anymore right I haven't I haven't skied is leaving if you wanted to I haven't skied I think do it what's the hardest one like black diamond do you ever do anything like that and I really key down I never got past the money slopes who is it someone someone got hurt skiing wise and and a ton of lake play it off like a bathroom and do I think you can on a little bit okay we should've brought up an camping out of our house I make enough Alexander into why haven't had it yet but I gotta try yeah when we come come to La Gotcha tackling child and nobody ever talked about it like I never know lighthearted always good that's how I feel like with the Pelicans one of the biggest things when I got the Kinda feels like college and you like everyone everyone likes everyone plays Ozzy not the La wasn't yeah see there you go ski sal gain more learn choose Tang you get like a contract boy they're totally was Saddam is system with my agency Leon can they they can connection system so talk about the going into college the decision to go to Karadzic also you know just to talk about yeah he had a showdown against Larry drew my freshman year I believe it was Yeah Larry was tough to high school I super tough but drew drew's Mazda go to Colorado Colorado no PAC twelve and just kind of take that route and you were saying not like your parents but other family members they were kind of like so if my parents had pushed me any other direction I probably I probably would've had the the conference I guess to make that decision in go against everybody right Oh you're not really gonNa you know you're not going to go to jail you might not go good chance I go to the NBA you go to Harvard new all that so always me when people always ask family though like the you know not the immediate family but everybody else outside of it was like are you tripping like you're not gonna go to the Lee more than likely like this Ooh that's a hard target like go to Harvard Gauge Education you got six figure job for you know however many years you're gonna work and then you're good like your heart man you're good you know I guess Kinda crazy way like they they were crazy enough to let eighteen year okay make that decision making decision the rest of my life Mhm I chose Colorado because I want to go to pack twelve I wanna go to NBA. I was a kid who was one hundred class and thought he was going to NBA two years. I was I'll see you always wanna be prepared for different situations but it's like if I if I really want want something i WanNa follow something Nick Nah I'm not going to do that Ivy League go to pack twelve beat all the teams dog wasn't good enough in and make it happen so that's a really how what what was your parents style process if you pick in Cairo because like you said your mother was your mother was a professor now my parents were good about it Graham with Anita came full circle capable you Juliet Juliet business one Julius I was prepping his Harvard that was that was our biggest thing they were like you know if you own it and and you you know fail and whatnot and you're fine with that and like make a decision but you know they empowered me to do so versus like saying my backup plan is fulfilling my school requirement are like we know that the end of the day I'll get it well in theory be able to get some level the ICU I need it 'cause I might drink that I don't really drink water like that 'cause I had to have something with Labor any zero three percent whatever go to the NBA prowling something other than sports exactly like my my big my biggest thing on my always my thought process was like in Fiji Harlem Christina to saying I got out of Curiosity Happen emigrants recruiter though yeah it was a time of imagery fanego where the bell we gotTa Talk About Lemon perfect where investors approach to the way I attacked it and I feel like to your point if you're going to want something that is that hard to obtain the you're going to have to be that dead set on it you don't let everything fall by the wayside and make it your only option so you know we before two to play D. One which means we had a built in backup plan which the job because I will have graduated if I went off for years whatever but in my mind there is no actual backup plan like this is what I'm going to do and that's how I work towards it and the post high level basketball players in the happening so take school seriously get the degree get the education that you need don't end up on probation all the time but if you wanna go the NBA like that's gotta be into you gotta you gotta be driven to do it now talk about the transition from high school to college you came in right away you contributed take a listen limit perfect guy to ask them on the table instead of has a hell of a recruiter and play John you should go to Harvard and you could be messing up your life or something like that because they had done that probably wouldn't have chose in doing that that harbor pass summer he was he was going crazy guy like Jason Tattoo I believe it is never going viral and stuff but yeah he's a bucket he liked growing our see when you go to even if you go to top camps you always have people saying like Oh should have a backup plan because you know only you know yeah so so when I committed Colorado outbursts was there and so basically it was kind of like hey if he leaves then you're going to pretty much or you should be able to play right away like if you do your job and if he stays in ops you spend one year kind of learning under a lottery Pixel I was fine with that in understood that I would have some level of role like he wants a life for years didn't think about this before so but since you started mentioning obviously like you're like I want to go to the NBA. When I'm not going to be like digging into like having like this huge data planning at the end of the day you gotta put you know if you really want to you know be you can't be like oh I wanna go to NBA but I would also like you can do different things I'm trying to like word it because I don't have a backup oh today year we had a good leadership in NATO Thomson Colin Brown Austin Default so it was a crazy experience so you guys how many Besson and our freshman year Guy Yeah excuse a bucket he's actually he just killed a drew league this The for near Fiji limit perfect or my drinks I try to stay hydrated like I said I wanNA succeed and one thing you had to put you gotta put most of your morals in that if not also and you had followed at the end you can't you fourteen there okay that would have been my freshman year now they want us we're not we're not at all you're starting five at that point like for me in and not to like talk family because it wasn't like they were like hey you're going they were just kind of look like this is small chance but for me it was like Yeah Ryan. Rtd Hack know who the Bulls now Dan Hilliard Chains Bell Twenty they came back lost my my year my freshman year we beat Lafayette like forty we'll logie confidante ourselves and then lost it um so I mean there's something to be said for just making that decision on your own and wonder whether it works or not you're you made it and you're just got robbed with it lose a week ago and I was like I was the one is now some you know the like can you send me some down we send you like a whole shipment Ahold truckful oh the year before I didn't before the before I came a loss in North Carolina they're like Nicey they lost in North Carolina down by two thousand twelve either we don't make it out the first weekend or we went and asked championship so what's the first week and you just knew like like this you guys went to the NCAA tournament while you're two years not all three years but the third year you got you got hurt yeah we were nice would it be Villanova you Harry who gave us some bucket yeah he's going to some buckets next you know who lost Yukon today no no they were all freshman year the lost a NC state the next game sophomore year borrows was named Calabar Komo the team and you know especially when he declared it was kind of like hey like how can I fit in and make an impact at the start help the team when we're fortunate enough to win the passion Pinkston and Daniel Defoe to see you know an environment loss in the first row see this is you what was the the came in with you guys had to see a book he was nice you guys had a really good thing going for those three years but talk about the kind of like that that chemistry when you first came on uh-huh here the second first weekend second round technically but it is the thing is you for Villanova sense like Yukon us when they want it would count Baz hit me with the meanest heavy what did you hear that has he pulled up I it was a mean as has pull up like I was I was I got to the point where I I liked the promise of and even so I like Ram Bagh toward the end of the second half lose Shabazz hot and tow coach I was like Koto like ain't nothing I can do about that he was like trying to put a hand chart seek out I forget it was either the doctors physical therapists that ended up getting AP back from his ACL Russell Pain on Houston I went to Rehab with him in like April I was mentally ready to go I was mentally fine like if I was the last pick or undrafted or whatever and all that stuff I was I was like cool with it I was let's do it when that happened because I was we had like Larry Nance we had on the podcast Tories. ACL and College Wyoming I think like meniscus stuff MTO too so Data they all gonNa play for years so I I heard I was like Oh man it's cards like I was I was so I left school officially via API countries like crazy so Saddam says he's great junior year one at all yeah and the next week and we lost in the first round I mean I in Wisconsin they were they were they were not to come hell yeah I I'm not GonNa let me ask you wanted to be more years after you that was because you in D. Hayward same draft class right after we deal with after you so I was I was thirty to wear my dress like started coming back and at that point is like fuck yeah like I was finish it I'll bet I'm done that a an my agent at the time calls me with like Yo New York wants to work he's legal or my I don't know if you have your mind made up your arm deafening glad to come back because of the injury or what none so like it was bad like I had I think it was like this I don't know either year he came out a year before but I was the year you can't you decide to come out but when it happened when you think like yet you know might not make I would've loved to have been able to do meetings those workout would just it was so Like I did I remember Ryan Ryan did like fourteen like the body of work that was your college career yeah it was like hey guys check out the knee I'm feeling good you look at the tape workout they might move up and they were like the mid forties I was like our think I'm GonNa go to Alabama be anywhere around I think my yeah but no we we actually got hurt it was a historic as women but we lose to plan they lost two pit honestly I think it was the worst eight nine so I'm just like I was so mentally done and then we had that work out and then Phil Jackson left and the day before the draft and he like left halfway through to work any workouts no good so I did like eight or ten meetings or something like no meetings and it was retired pre-draft process was just based off in Sixteen fifteen or sixteen year my senior year when I draft Idyllic fifteen or sixteen junior year I like five I ended up doing like those two year twenty two workouts with twenty workout and I meet I met with literally Everyone House I was sad really sad because like you know to to make your way up to kind of be in that lottery conversation all that stuff then to get hurt at that point in time nine hundred and then after that one at all and then the next year we lost in the first round so I thought you were either first weekend first weekend man the one point like your eye out in New York like how they were going out and doing all of that but literally the last month of and then like yeah for everything to fall out from that use those but you know I was fortunate to have like a good little recovery in like the first couple of months out and it was like it was I that that whole process is probably the worst thing I did my to test the waters my my first year us hey mike aggressive records kickoff we were like fifty to the country and then mice floor would been thirty two phoenix some like I there's no point in me working now you're like now they're going to they might move up me I was done I was done some like I forgot what work out I did pre-draft whether in New York I would literally on a road everytime yeah like on a road you three work like a week or whatever but at the same time so you might be at the airport like three or four hours early before your flight and it was it was just like can't really prepares for the NBA season though right on on a plane every couple of days Quick turnaround probably travel is yeah sometimes I would the workouts you is used a group of people with six people so you might be in at this 'cause like us that he the graph and all that he he just knew like he just like Shabazz you ain't nothing you can he was just trying to put a hand up enderle like combines a workout that's great it was is like this is like the longest two or three months like 'cause you from from college to the League for me to League actually easier really because there's nobody in the paint May second round was like the lowest also in that like forty five raise it with that I was like I I'm cool yeah so what was the biggest transition be in New York or whatever so and then you got to fly to New Orleans so maybe a guys going with you and his Fleiss our before no before you're so they're going to drop you off but in the league though nobody's there so I gotta do is beat this one guy and get a layup oh cool they want their Friday yeah and then just fly to wherever I'm going to fly to fly and it was nothing on that part I like we ended up not being a great seat after that but it's all good though well I guess talking about the car it was right so just kind of talk about what was going through your mind is is is on but so obviously kind of talk about so many ups and downs in the NBA this would no were you given any indication going into the draft where where you were like the they wanted you at thirty eight I didn't get a property there's like thrown to the side or whatever it is Kinda talk about that process news how strong had to be mentally to get through it because not a lot of people get through it lacking because obviously like do so many ups and downs like when you if you traded or whatever luckily I wasn't cut I haven't been cut knock on wood like there's very few guys but with a lot of guys that that happens to me the only few guys kind of make out of the NBA success aw but Tra travel wise to a certain extent because obviously we're blessed to to fly charter so it's like you gotta be doing all the get there two hours early no no but yes so that it just doesn't happen like if you're not prepared that doesn't have to play that game and then like play terrible and all that like the importance of being prepared like like you mentioned is paramount because I'm not sitting here today if genuine and deal don't get injured this year we were like we were talking about kind of talk about on the bus we were like Yeah Lake I'll see dealer was good like like he comes in off the bench Seifi got wave the guy got traded then God wave re-signed waived again like this kind of talk about that the only reason like they you know they were obligated to play me at all they do is kind of picked up by the G. League J-league is hurt you know what I was called upon to do which was Klay for Stamina Gandhi who's one of the hardest just in terms like practice times and all that stuff like you have legit two and a half hour practices tapes the margin of error is like it's so small and it's like the mental toughness that you have to have a mental approach has to be like nothing can be eh yo I I grew up playing all the time like that's all it did so a lot of ways like one on one player that played basketball so in college everybody and I was like Dang that's crazy so that dark place feeling unwanted all that stuff like I was definitely there I felt it traits in Chicago it's kind of run the offense set stuff up but you'll try to maximize after they gave me and then the very next year deal gets hurt and then it's like the game winner against the cavs and it was just like it was it was rolling after that it was just like really deep one yeah thanks hard in wake up at five o'clock go right back to zoom and like get it in and so you know it was it was a very serious first couple of years of experience then you know they use them Oh chances us keep going but yes start off in Detroit cut by Chicago signed by cut again by Sikado to go to windy city we do research on the post a lot of I guess one before I get to like the process unfortunate J. Lismore Guy obviously deal had a great season last year all star season but their ages at a reasonable here that ended up having the career that they always wanted versus the guys that my nei- it's just it's so situational slammed like it's crazy remember wrote like was fortunate to have a little bit safer league for two years and I didn't feel like we're supposed to end latest make any sense because I was serving baskets in practice and then like just the reason why you gotta when he played like Syracuse they had Jeremy Grind like C. J. Fair is credit going to get to the bucket between like tree all that stuff and at that point I'm like you know made him who oversees offers as if I wanted to go make some money so he can definitely magazine because it's easy I that's like the one that was like the one do you like when he signed it extensively then the opportunity consistently come you know it was just you you hit a game winner on on the best team in war of the time because I was Lebron was still onto cast hey you play Villanova and you know if your team doesn't have like shooters out there staying the paint stand in the paint all standard like accused Aleady service straight Bassey's practice but I I wasn't planning again and I was like I don't think we'll end this way so went to delete Brooklyn sign me and then like I said it's yeah we we Danny Green on the podcast really similar story like you know cut wave or ticked up wave I didn't play much to your point and I got indefinitely assigned to the G. League donors and I came back I had an ankle injury yeah no they just like go tom the opportunity you get few opportunities and that's why you always have to be a pair of like you said you you wanna you wouldn't play if you know Jay Leno today I mean not the reason the player am but the reason I got a chance to play you know so yeah we I mean we've talked about that so many times like the the difference between the guys actually went to Slovenia during lockout yes Slovenia ended up coming back and then you know what four or five years in the league he finally finally starts the hardest thing about the league because you always you have to be prepared no matter about what's going on and you personally no matter if you get traded wave you know sign we're back yeah it can be an abyss for the League is so situational and and uh other options you had gone and it's kind of like why you picked Colorado okay because decision story that yeah so the last choice were Harvard in Colorado be waved whatever and then three days later someone gets hurt and you had to get picked up by the same team and then go and get if the big comes the blackhawks I just drop it simple easy a good one on one player we've had to find a clipboard as much as it was it was horrendous bro and I ever saw it I don't like this do lizard international sexy and way whatever it is like the matter as it is tough because I know even though that has happened you still have to be prepared because you can it's just so many people I think in both positions would have just called it quits and and when overseas got a quick bag the problem is like you know I didn't see too many guys Erin de loading a hurt but when you had the opportunity you know you you you did that well and life I play like the my rookie third career you can't go downhill more jobs is GonNa go in there and like luckily I played whoa but it's like that but it's Oh but I dan since Detroit only reason why it had nothing to do with his game he had to say this one like he had like the mustache and I must ask what are the last two years I had really good seasons the year before that everybody thought is trash like there's no way you just become good and in six months you know what I mean rounds Oughta stuff like they they work you know trying to camper for sure to as like you crawl home in the bed and body elitist I got traded but like sometimes you might you'd think like I like you're in a dark dark place like you've got like like the game this season I only read the play we were like playing the war Liens I think we go down by like twenty third and it was just Kinda like I don I just the season or your career at the beginning of your career you had a lot of ups and downs look you know I know you had you had a good I had Geely Seimas I love to fly not they told me like uh-huh quality minutes you know like a cub as out so it's like mentally it's it's tough but you had to be so madly strong to do that is because no you're always you're going to be thrown in position in Italy where it's like now you have one small opportunity and if you make the most of it you're good and it's like and if you don't make the most of it mm-hmm so grab city interesting dynamic it is but it's like going to tread lightly always this for that reason or whatever I just kind of like they're not going to do it and I used to draw shoes anyway like what would it be like if I did that and then a passion for live performance Donny Matter Yeah we like Server Bass in practice and obviously practices important obviously kid I'm not great artists in general but I draw shoes for whatever reason as a kid obviously you're thinking like you're drawing your shoe for yourself but like Nike or whatever he's GonNa make it right but it's like you have no rotational like guys and it's like it's not like it's college either like you you can be you know on a keep me where to gang oh my brother this kind of talk about talk about that a little bit briefly when I got back into league with Brooklyn like none of them wanted to so that's what I was kind of born like it wasn't it wasn't situation where I was like oh I'm GonNa do and that's just all the different just pieces to like hey this has to be this million millimeters and this has to be this many millimeters and do all that so you know did you know the company that makes him and all that stuff so it's a it's a much more involved story but just for my personal like part that's really about it the so whatever but at the end of the day in a row coaches are people may it's like if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's around doesn't make a sound new dagger that's their job right now the way things work Kinda in in China with a lot of factories like it'll be a huge building and like flu it is whereas another isn't another kind of faith based thing it's just kind of like you know if you have what you're supposed to be focused on then like the the noise doesn't matter you know so doing well in practice but it's like i Morocco would do for eight years I know what he's GonNa Bring Day in day out you know a bag of its own testing for like certain signature pieces or certain you know specific things but in a lot of like situations the factory itself does a lot it was against a kid that drew shoes nobody wanted to sign up when you got back to Lee so he's like you know what do have some fun so I'm interested in like the performance it can be a New Orleans for like eight years old how long they want me and etc but it's like so as a coach you have someone there for eight years and he has just came in underlie put the most high quality stuff in and things like that so that's that's really where the shoe stuff starting in it contains the road out Hill I you know Meta do from Harvard Co found you know like just father was kronos him at time chronologically linear form congressman at like the most opportune time to take advantage of like the movie audience marketed very well got it right would you wanna draw for aesthetics then like an industrial designer right will like go through tech packet sketches that you made it sorta come to life and I know you went out there with John who shadow Jonjo has his own brand he makes his does he over there to no no he makes his in a you're gonNA put your livelihood kind on it right because the shoe is probably the most important piece of equipment for a basketball player you know we size maybe compression shorts out of its own testing quality control all that stuff so some of it is good marketing some of it like he does it so you know if the factory yes we all that was for me was informative experience the first time I went because I had no idea what was really going on but if you're going to build something obviously where it and wars will do certain things right so you may have like anti built on this floor feeler built on this floor and stuff like that so the fact also does a lot of its testing now I know Nike Does S. like a we always thinking like that or you just kind of like it is it is something that I just kind of had a little bit of both so I used to like draw shoes you got some fire kicks I will I will say like a lot of a lot of people because obviously everyone who don't know you're not you're not signed with Nike Adidas Jordan Aspect of it because obviously like you know if you're a good artist you can you can design like a really good looking for issues but like it's like Nike and Adidas Nam I mean they're like testing and stuff Polish game yeah we we'll talk about later there different compensation for different you gotta learn from Spencer's deflect deflect before because it was it was much more about kind of a personal journey and then want to see how many people I can help auction the game shoes last year for charity whatever whatever your own do they have like name to him I like the spends one dim buckets like I that they're putting issues through the technology is able to capture kind of the performance side of things so some things are some things are very are obviously because you know growing up it's all about all you got the best you got you got the new nikes you got a new house and then now you Ella de stories broke in Oh yeah so what was kind of he did he just know the market over there and just you know give me the breakdown of what's ended wide is this or all that stuff that was that was actually fun for me because it appealed to kind of that like builder frank testing it doing all that so because I had the idea a lot longer than like I actually hooked up with the right people are one of the most entrepreneurial players in the League we're excited just kind of talk about that side of things with you but when did that begin have you always had always been in you have you always kind like six months it's not it's not a bad process at all you took a philanthropic Englewood too right yeah so and that was my thing I wanted to see like I want to know I want to be well versed I wanted to you know why is it like this what are the benefits of this and all that stuff and and looking at them testing and it took like a really long time but like actually being with a vacuous the CEO of Padre and the guy who facilitates all this stuff it's like what sixty five thousand those awesome you mentioned Kinda like you just going over to China was just like the builder the crater and you you're by he's up there you know the name brand I actually got it from SEUSS's youngest son called Cairo's it's a com-it's like the most opportune time doing all of that but you always have to duplicate everything right you know what I mean what was was like author to China and kind of seeing the the Oh bigger bag probably as when you can really wall out with them I'm not there yet soon you're learning your three yeah yeah three versus like my specific offering so when looking at any mark sided come over there with you to help a friend he was he was traveling with me that that I Tom went to the factory couple couple summers ago so together that is on to make those interactions as seamless as possible and now they do a great job of it right the example is to say kids to college and then this year I actually sold them to to a blockchain or presold onto a blockchain so they're going to do what they do with them but yeah just uh Somalia by for four hundred it was it was enough for for a full ride day and this year we presold them for just over eight bitcoin so bitcoin will like media creative emmy so it was it was it was fun where neither how long how long did the process take from you like college drawing it to get a manufacturer eight or nine thousand dollars so that's what that's what that part ship was about presold my game shoes and they can do what they want the the player is the asset they bring the value inherently bring the value the NBA is a broker so that designed to bring the asset and the fan as a whole right and in the players so the fans determined to asset or determinative value right because they're they're the consumers they spend their hard earned money any asset right has asset class as you can offer a variety of products that are associated that to that asset and taught entrepreneurially was it a recent thing no this is my dad. Yeah he's a entrepreneur whatever he believes his value to be the investors then or the fans rather determine their risk appetite and whether they buy in so they determine a market muchly like anything else is just kind of not in the brokers hands and yet I mean in a sense you know some people I'm playing and these are the actually got all types of low stuff tattoos sir I mean like I don't have any actual tattoos was just things that I look at it or see or whatever it's been in the news a lot lately and Again Super Innovative I think it would be really helpful for listeners just to start by talking about what it is the real estate stuff so I just got into it slow never too late oh so you will extension so right wing that's a good transition into something that's structure spending to it so you can effectively ensure that guys can't overspend read they can establish a lifestyle early yeah that is a living off interest so so league released but then they also have the fantasia right because eventually these things would be able to be traded you'd be able to Spencer for for Josh for you know whoever four hundred dollars or something you know I played what seventy as plus playoffs but then it was hurt a little bit so we probably saw five of them in all different types of things for me it's more so about defining a class and showing guy some of the things that they can do one of the cool things that you can do with with this obviously is different reserve a counselor or escrow accounts etc that you know have a year in the League and now you're getting offers from D. Shabani discount like no not you know I kinda WanNa do my own thing so kind of talk about the dolphins lady which is also obviously why the contract doesn't pay directly to fans beyond this the assignment thing that's why it was wasn't it isn't an assignment it wasn't ever an assignment because you know funding my scholarship program for my for my charity with my game shoes basically every game shoe or shoes so last year we would auction off after every game usually they sell for I kind of us about inherent value is like a outside if we drop the Brooklyn Nets logo on the street and just in the middle of the rope you might stop they might take permission the fans would have to have legal recourse or or the ability to interact with the nets directly do like payment terms whatever in that upside as well so it's bound to whatever terms that assets so it Josh right now said Hey I think the next ten years of my career following etc right any anything that wants fan engaged when you can do this you know it it makes sense because we would be akin to like blue chip stocks right we'd be like at and people do that then that's what they do or he could say I think the next two years of my career worth this you know it's it's it's mean of your your most early doing stuff that you know most people wait till they're much longer in league much longer to do yeah probably that'd be able to participate in the upside of your career just outside of of specific acid due to the terms that he says for themselves is the the token or the asset that they're buying apple or whatever reaction yes penny stocks and you know 'cause football players have very low what like injury protection etc but you know just like I'm scratching the surface kind of this conversation right now I am slowly learning Bilo protection on a certain amount of money which you know obviously it's like two three percent or so on secured by you're guaranteed contracts essentially or talkative called a real fantasy sports I mean there's going to be a bevy approx offered on top of it that's not so much a my will house right when people get into different structured finances we are worth a hundred million dollars so I want to the setting that valuation that's what I want you guys to invest in jobs that right so it's not directly secured by the contract you would just think that obviously if somebody has a certain amount of guaranteed cash flow saintly like sorry this same thing this is the general thesis that like money today is worth more than money tomorrow so by being able to obtain that lump sum you can start earning that interest in being able to turn it turn a profit quicker yes so now so there's more there's multiple parts but you also want to fantasize right so if you look at you WanNa win win win for everybody for NBA they're made that you're gonNa want kind of a release of lab about my mind is actually super simple three-term does it all we tied together right you offer them for the first two years now I guess I had an assignment because you're not saying like hey here's the contract here habit right but you're saying like okay this is what I think is a proper term the securities shut the whole block down on his stuff right because that's where the value lies yeah okay so player Driven League player to believe now based upon him it is not based upon is not directly tied to the contract nor is the offering tied to the team the the the to no interest rate you offerings like this minded structure super-safe because the first one and we believe we're defining a complete class of offering is set forth by the individual because he is the asset or the company that is doing the explicit offering gotta and stuff like this is then be the best use other stuff right anything anything right and so as it goes up we can all appreciate and that's what allows for the lower Their appetite is for specific offerings albeit individual. You know I I can't tell Josh would offer the same way Josh can you tell me what offer so oh it's it's personally guaranteed by me right now the cash flow on the back public cash on the back end like in theory obviously plays a part in it but connect us because of the the level of security around the contracts so no so you open it up to all athletes entertainers Really anything people to you know if if bitcoin goes to a million dollars in I have you know hundreds of millions of dollars or something like that then I could pay it back with doc short and so now it's cool it's cool I know what I'm going to say so if you look at the NBA all right there's there's three main parts to it all right there's the fans the like billionaires and things talking about this in calling in asking to be a part of it and how can they kind of get into it because we we look at the just kind of the hatched to you or to your contract for example if if I buy expensive genuine coin is it only valid would it only be valid for this contractor if you go then sign another contract diaper learned expose you know his grandmother to to risk or anything like that we said like look we understand we believe this complete class we understand this concept that you wanna do and as simple terms as possible and then we'll have to kind of go from there I mean I guess because we're going to keep it more so unlike the ether misleading people as especially probably because they knew for weeks that it wasn't an assignment and they still made their public statement We took our time with it you know we took eight months to build it we we pass. SEC regulations we you know shrug it down to a credit investors we didn't go reggae plus everything right unless you're in a non correlated market you know whether you're in real estate stocks whatever like you're GonNa get hit by that if the bottom falls out but you know in outside of the now get to non correlated markets in a second but they can get as risky or as safe as the specific athlete wants them to be the world is it how finances going in and all the markers of recession and things like that there there's no place to hide from that like no interesting well I mean I think anybody that that does something innovative or challenges how things are currently done is going to be met with resistance so I think what you want and they said no and they were like but why and it was like no why why obviously is more or less guaranteed in the terms obviously are relatively safe like mine are then you're going to get what it is that the inflation of the US dollar because we get paid in dollars but outside the actual inflation of the US dollar like if you invest in a in a player in the cash flow I would just love to have your blessing we didn't just launch route you guys knowing so you're like behind in upset here look at it like we would just love you guys say like okay I I guess as now losing losing my son before like for me yeah we're going to be safe we're GONNA pass every single year regulation possible we read the CBI back in front we understand we're not breaking it here guys look what we've built the fact that you're kind of even even breaking these doors down is says a lot so I don't want to be too much I know it's I know it's an ongoing thing but you know is but they're gonNA that's interesting keep walking if you drop the Bron James in the street or better you told them you put up a hoop and said he's GonNa play one with anybody that came up right it's probably GonNa be thousands thousands of people what I'm saying you are scheduled to get like a less you know everything like like the US economy collapses anything else you probably offer them higher upside if there's if there's more risk there's gotta be more award that's has anything in life like I said a fans will determine what it's like getting a house right when you go to the bank you say hey I wanNA mortgage for a house if I were to say I want one hundred house it'd be like bro There's no way you make thirty guys this is tough price CEO blockchain is like eh ops dave childhood celebrity crush crush Bro. Aw Fly if you switch lives with anyone for a day who would it be yeah who would play Unit Spencer Dinwiddie movie we're looking forward to seeing how how it plays out yeah we can hold this episode for as long as we you know so I guess yeah but low key to eleanor hurts the combat cracking your boy just in from From Sean if I may on your contractor roughly right you pay for it but if I said Hey I want five minutes house if I'm like okay you got so it's very much that same thing assessed by opening it up just to accredited investors first so it's just about the safety got like In this is kind of wild disappointed in in the league kind of Michael Jordan what are the toddler the current chapter your life awesome real questions out here the and back to the markets piece the reason why for like fans this is there's a big incentive and and just people with money in general and every episode we have a thing called which is like this ten kind of rapid fire ask questions to go into what your biggest pet peeve how old is your son Seventy was nice congrats congratulations the offer like I knew that favorite carson growing up the call before the store I thought it'd be like some like Air Pasta White Ethos delight you're going to get what you get but if that happens like we'll have much much bigger problems for much bigger problems yeah what's the what's the main my son allows well profession other than yours would you like to attempt are no listeners and even know that goes just to hear no off course after we're doing because obviously you know we're no no for basketball ask you the question like multiple times okay we'll ask the biggest fear if heaven exists what do you want to hear God's say when you arrive like welcome homer there were cartoon Drowsy I want to go sell free the autumn of the DVD. It's now we're gonNA clip this now I don't know I I thought he was like rapid-fire actually thinking about stuff soon okay that's you know I did I did what superpower would you want a good listen to hear some of yours so thank you for sharing that with us you know thanks for coming on hostile a clothing brand I'm a aristotle he let me rock rose hollister's crabby a dark it gets it gets even lower and as I took out a yeah exactly then you have to try to keep digging as like no you can be doing well you got a time of your risk appetite and then in the third year there's basketball related income the same way we talk about for Lee there's VR for Spencer there's shoes there's like now like I still have crushes go try and keep Kit Watch L. O. Let's go hope our listeners a little smarter as well as.

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