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EP. #11: Yuba City Five - Plumas National Forest

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EP. #11: Yuba City Five - Plumas National Forest

"The thousands of people have mysteriously seriously vanished in America's wilderness join us as we dive into the deepening of the unexplainable in trapeze together what happened you are listening in two locations unknown How's it going everybody and welcome back to locations unknown unknown? I'm your co host Joey Radio with me as always as Mike Vanda bogart what's up everybody thanks for tuning in. It feels great to be back actio. I know we both had some interesting trips while you're gone. Yeah I am besides the Iraqis trip I know we recorded an episode since then but I spent four and a half five days in the back country of Montana Glacier national park and it was absolutely stunning. Just one of my favorite parks you oh you and I went there. What was it five years ago? Yet has to have five years now. Yeah it was a while ago but we actually stayed at the fifty mountain site that we were we were at we went a couple other places that just really really beautiful ended up covering about sixty two miles in that period of time so we were really moving but it was it was a great trip didn't running running any bears couple the rangers about their missing persons case. They're working on now. Also got some got. Some good information might have to do not bestowed on him in a little it just to talk about that guy cool yeah so you were out in glacier and I was actually up in Alaska about a month ago and it was amazing. It wasn't really what you'd call hiking trip but we did get some hiking in I went hiking with buddy and Denali for a day and then we did some hiking too a glacier near in your anchorage and we also did some psychiatry around glacier called Spencer glacier so it's really cool. I recommend Alaska anybody. can get up there. We had a lot of issues forth forest fires while we're there so the air quality towards the end of the trip was pretty subpar but we were able to get all the all the good hiking in that we could so great ship nuts excellent you sit out of the triangle though right in the heart of the triangle right in the triangle triangle you made it out so that's good I went into the triangle the Alaska Triangle and came out so it can happen tastic so besides the trips were on we do. Have you know one exciting update. We mentioned this on our last episode before the break we have bedding. I didn't contact with some people that have known are Nelson. This is a guy that we did one of our cases on a while back. One of the guys is known him for a very long time the other guy did did some hiking with them so we are planning to have an interview with these guys to kind of shed some light on Arvin and bring the light some information. That's not publicly known so so stay tuned for that. I'm not exactly sure when we'll drop that at this point but it will be in the next couple of months yeah. We had a coordinated with them. I and I'm I'm personally very excited because a lot of times when we do these episodes we we work off the information we can get from police reports or from news broadcasts in its you know some times times if anyone's ever been interviewed and seen what their interviews like in the paper afterwards there's a lot of something can be missed out so we were contacted by this group because they said there was a couple of things they wanted wanted to correct this on. There weren't weren't any major differences but it also helps shed a light on the type of Person Auburn was in and get some better insight into what could have happened. Yes yeah so it's exciting that they they reached out to us and are willing to talk with us. 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Let's gear up and get out to explore locations -tations unknown February twenty four th nineteen seventy eight a group of friends from Yuba City California set out on a trip to watch basketball game afterward Gary Jack Jack Jackie Ted and William drove up into the plumas national forest and were never seen again on this week's episode we will investigate the details surrounding the disappearance the subsequent finding of the bodies and more importantly league timeline surrounding you are listening to locations unknown The Matthias Group was made up of five friends Gary Dale Mathias Jack Back Moraga Jackie Hewitt Theodore. We're and William Sterling the Group Range Between Twenty four and thirty two years of age edge. They all had developmental disabilities to some extent and we're all enrolled in a day program for the mentally handicapped none were profound enough that they were unable unable to function in society Gary had schizophrenia and was on medication to control his symptoms Jackie had a low IQ but hadn't hadn't been diagnosed as mentally disabled both Gary and Jack had actually served in the US army and driver's license Ted. We're was wasn't employed for a while as a janitor and snack bar clerk but quit at the urging of his family who thought his slowness was causing problems. Jackie Hewitt had they slay joop to the head. He was sometimes slow to respond. William Jacks good friend was deeply religious and would spend hours at the library reading literature he focused on teaching religion to the patients in the Mental Hospitals Jackie and Ted were very close. Ted was described as looking after Jackie Jackie in a protective sort of way and would dial the phone for him when Hyatt had to make a call Gary was an assistant in his stepfather's gardening business. He was discharged from the army. After drug problems that developed in Germany five years prior Gary took several drugs to treat his schizophrenia there are also police records that show Gary had become violent on occasions and was charged with assault twice after returned from Germany he failed to take his drugs in lapsed back into a disorientated psychosis that landed him in the Va hospital so we have five and I know that was a lot of information mation. Dump on here and I know Mike you and I talked about this before the show that it might be hard to keep up with some of these names it was hard when we're doing the research to really we get through it. All the idea is we wanted to give a background on each person to show that although there were some developmental disabilities they were high functioning ching off that they could drive a car go out on supervised they would go to the library study this there in the army although they were discharged so so they're they're high functioning enough that they are able to go about daily lives. They're just part of a daily program an interesting thing for anybody who reads leads the missing for one books. One of the main connection point to allow the disappearances is the fact that these adults are sometimes children have have mental disabilities so it's just something to think about this. This is kind of a has been documented phenomena among people that go missing in the wilderness so it just an interesting sidebar absolutely and I would say we should also say disclaimer to that. We're going to be very blunt about facts in this so we know alway want to misconstrue and make anyone think that we are speaking lightly about developmental disabilities. When we talk about these cases we are GonNa talk about the facts and we may you make analysis based off of the type of disability they have and make assumptions based off of potentially what could have happened to them as a result of their disability ability and how that might have hindered or helped situation great point joe so this group went missing in a national forest called Plumas National Forest? It's located in I would say North Eastern California. It's near the you know what they call. The terminus of the Sierra Sierra Qatada the forest is about one point one five million square acres so people the picture that it's a couple hundred two thousand acres smaller than Delaware but a few hundred thousand acres larger than Rhode Island's talk. That's what I would've guessed. I would have guessed that so it's a pretty pretty large national forests. The forest was named after now. I'M GONNA probably butcher this watershed called the Rio de Las Plymouth's. That's all right it looked it looks right but then it was renamed to Feather River so this is a very popular forest in the area outdoor enthusiasts sir track to to it year round. There's lots of streams lakes deep canyons mountains valleys meadows and lofty peaks so you can imagine going to this forest and it has everything it's got you probably could use some fishing. Maybe some rapids you Whitewater in some climbing a lot of hiking. I mean I I in the research location. There is over three hundred miles of hiking trails. The elevation in the forest ranges from between four thousand seven one thousand feet so you're not talking anything too difficult. If you're hiking there's campgrounds at elevation that you can you can go to there is a there's some recreational areas that you can ski and you can do water sports so yeah you know. It sounds like a pretty cool place you know it's got an Alpine climate in some locations with the you know the mountains going up to seven thousand feet interesting fact is the Pacific crest trail actually comes through the forest. There's seventy seventy five miles of trail and in order to get across through this trail you gotTa Cross to major canyons and go from elevations a twenty four hundred feet up to seven seven thousand feet or wow so that's a major. It's a major portion of that trail then pretty tough part of the trail. This forest has a very rich history with humans in my research. I found found that there's any human presence in the forest going back eight thousand years so there's been a lot of native Americans in the forest. There was a lot of gold mining in the eighteen hundreds hundreds there was a Hudson Bay for companies famous for being stationed in that region so there's a lot of rich history with American Indians and then early early American settlers. You know going out there looking for Gold Kinda the same story you see in any part of the West. I don't really I was going to say do we ever ever find out if there's any major successes in the gold mining in any of these because I always see where it says oh they mined for gold. There's lots of this but so many people went out there's so few actually made it rich probably the first guys and then I mean back then it probably took a year for word to get back to everyone on the east coast and by the time those guys made it out there. The gold is probably gone but so if you're the first guy out there you probably made a boatload of money there you go first mover advantage picturing wildlife in this area. It would probably be similar similar to other locations in California. I'm picturing like Yosemite Mountain lions other stuff like outlines blackberries things like that so yeah a pretty cool place. I would love to live near something like that. I mean anyone that lives in California. Yeah pretty much has access to all these great places we in every place we read about because I've never even heard of this one before the story and I know at first I was like oh it's just some little national national forests that you get in its giant and has tons of hiking and camping all these other things so if you live in the region this would make a great multiday backcountry trip three hundred miles of trail. You know it's a big forest size of Rhode Island. I mean you can get back there for a while and you know this kind of you. GotTa think about the terrain and you've got some people that who are you know mentally disabled. you know maybe that factors into their disappearance. We'll we'll find out yes yes might Mike has has not gone through the time line. Also he'll be hearing this raw. We'll get some organic responses for Mike. I went through the story multiple times but there's still there's a lot of information here yourself. We do run over. We might break this up to episodes where we don't WanNa make everyone sit on here for hours at a time but I'm going to just dive right in then unless you have anything else to say about the National Force Force Mike I I would just add that. You know I'll add it to the list of places I'd like to us and we're GONNA have a big retirement list of just places to go which is ironic because it's always places where people disappear have meet some sort of fortunate and but you know the thousands of people go there are just fine so like you said you made aided in and out of the triangle just fine. I did all right. We're starting our time off. Here was nine hundred seventy eight and we're starting on a Friday riday so it's Friday February twenty fourth nineteen seventy eight so we we mentioned the beginning. This group is going to a basketball game so they actually had quite a ways to the drive so this group drove fifty miles from Yuba city which is where they all lived to Chico to attend a college basketball game at California State University so there at the game no real issues there. The game ended at ten P. M. In the group left in stopped three blocks away at a marketplace and the reason we knew this. This information is because in the police reports they interviewed the Guy who's working there basically the clerk because it was noted that they mildly annoyed the clerk so might have been one of those situations where like they said they're high functioning adults. If you don't know that they have an issue they could probably come off as being obnoxious action or whatever but that's just how they are. They have their different mental disabilities so the clerk was trying to close up and they came in to buy stuff and that's I guests what annoyed them is so what they do know is that they were there for sure they bought a hostess Cherry Pie a Langford Lemon Pie one snickers bar a marathon bar to Pepsi's and a court and a half of milk. They're supposed to drive back after the game no issues in our back we're on Saturday February twenty fifth. This group was actually set to play basketball game of their own because they're part of a tournament that would net them a free week in Los Angeles if they want so they had a tournament back in Yuba city that they were gonNA plan over the weekend that they could have won a free prize and spent some time in L. A. Just to to help listeners listeners with locations. Yuba City looks to be about twenty twenty five miles north of Sacramento and then Chico is just up up the highway like we said another fifty miles so it may be more than twenty five miles but it's north of Sacramento and directly west of the national forest. Thank you very much. No that's good information honestly because especially for people that aren't are in California for looking it up on a map you you can find a little bit easier so essentially because there are a lot of them live with their parents still their clothes have been laid out in the evening of the twenty fourth before they left for Chico so they're excited about getting back to this basketball game so right away. That's important formation no too because you always wonder. Is there an aspect of them purposefully not returning. They had a fun thing plan that they're gonNA do on the weekend. They went to basketball game before their own tournament weekend. They had their clothes laid out before they left. They played for it was is difficult. Vocational Rehabilitation Center is where they played basketball so that was their team gateway gators and the team Ted. We're had asked his mother to wash his new wight high top sneakers for the term insane. We got a big game Saturday. Don't you let me oversleep so they specifically. They're excited about this. You know it was a big basketball. We can for these guys. They're really early days. Before I phone alarms. I know right so when the Group failed to return Yuba city their families became concerned immediately and call the police lease so again. This is where if it's a bunch of adults that don't really have an issue there plywood raise too many alarms that they went to a college basketball game and didn't come back the next stay. I mean what are your thoughts immediately. If just a normal group of guys they probably went out drinking got a hotel and stayed the night but they were expected to be home home to start this this this tournament so immediately. The sheriff's department began searching for him so just a recap they went from Cuba to Chico for in college basketball game. They stopped at a convenience store on their way back. The game ended about ten so they would have got back probably around midnight you know if they're a little later twelve thirty one. AM and they had a very important basketball tournament. They're playing in over the weekend that they're supposed to be a part of Sheriff's department start searching so we're gonNA fast fast for the weren't anymore. UPDATES till Tuesday February twenty eighth. This is when a forest ranger found Jack Madrid's car abandoned so this is a forest stranger in the national forest. The vehicle was a turquoise and white nineteen sixty nine mercury MONTALTO. It was on an unpaved road near Oroville in the Rogers cow camp area past elk retreat at an elevation of four thousand five hundred feet so this is in the national forest I and it was located around a two and a half hour drive from Chico in the opposite direction of the route. They're supposed to drive home and way up in the mountains in the Plumas National Forest Mike. I know you looked at a map. I think Chico's north correct north of Yuba Yeah Chico's north a little a bit north. I'd say north and slightly West took so I mean they even city they had it's in the freeway. There is a straight south drive. Yeah that would went so they went even farther north twice the distance essentially in the wrong direction up in the mountains and then abandoned in their car was abandoned. It's pretty incredible like they drove twice a distance in the wrong direction so the Plumas National Force against one point five million Acre acre national forest we talked about that. It's unique the locations you because if you look at you on the map it is south of Chico both on the same highway anyway so again. It's extremely easy to get back and forth. It's basically you get on the highway and go all the way and you get off the city so getting back on the highway to head south it'd be it'd make more sense if they got lost somewhere on the way south because the highway doesn't continue the way they went during the investigation. The police did not find anything that would make someone think foul play occurred so the car was unlocked. One Window is down in the keys. Were missing the candy rappers from the things they bought the milk. Cartons and basketball programs were in the car and maps were left in the glove compartment. They did have maps and the directions to get to and from their destination and where they wanted to go home so there's no obvious damage to the car which was a big deal because they said the road they they were on was super bumpy in unmade so basically it was a road that you should be driving in a four wheel or four wheel drive vehicle on like taping type of thing so they must have been driving slow or something because they would have expected there to be damage on the car that was noted in the police report so obviously the road was bad enough that they were surprised at this Mercury Taegu made it as far as it did with no bumps anything essentially they had a quarter tank of gas and they were not stuck in the snow. Basically what confused investigators is that the driver either use astonishingly honestly amount of care precision our new the road well enough to anticipate every single rut. It's pretty incredible and then they had gas they weren't stuck so they're high up enough and there was some snow avail on the ground. They essentially abandoned fully functional car is what they're really looking AETNA and that's kind of what confused them. It's like you have this car of guys there either lost or something and they left a car that had gas that wasn't stuck that wasn't damaged yeah so very very very confusing to investigators working on this so now we have a big gap. Were basically a search churches occurring. They didn't have any updates so from February twenty eighth to March third. We're going to be talking about Rangers. Search the area for five days found on no trace of the men to make things worse soon after the search started a severe blizzard moved into the area and they got nine inches of snow that dropped in the upper mountain so this is an obviously hinder any of the search efforts that they had the search teams had so many issues that they stated that they nearly lost men themselves two days later they had these things called snow cats that were having issues these like the boxy vehicles with tank tracks for snow and I'm trying to think of the do you remember the movie Goldeneye. Can I the James Bond movie I do. It's it's do you remember those things that they had when they earn like Siberia Yup. That's what they're talking about so they had these snow cats. He's things things that could basically navigate all so they're really bringing out some of the right equipment and they they knew the area well enough that they're gonNA get a decent search and even though they had the blizzard going on so as the news the disappearance spread Joseph Scans contacted the police say he had seen the men between eleven pm am and twelve pm on that Friday so we now also have a guy that saw the news comments said you know hey I actually saw these guys from eleven to noon news that would also fall in line with the timeframe of the drive somewhat after they left that that shop so they saw them eleven pm to twelve. Am Yeah Yeah I did say five PM. I meant okay but he saw them in that window and he estimated that time 'cause we're talking. It's it's a week or two later when he calls after he sees the news so he was driving up gravel road to his cabin when his car became stuck in the snow and unfortunately while trying trying to push his car out he suffered a heart attack so this is this is where this is where the and this is why. I don't want to say like the story but this is what really got me see for this story so the Rub for this is there are two different versions of the story both of which are weird and somewhat creepy alright it version one and they come from this guy who suffered a heart attack and did he die from a heart attack. He did not die from the heart attack and so this yes I guess yeah he told the story he told the story but still it's. It's this is going to blow your mind cause. I know you didn't read this yet. In one version while Joe I was laying in his car suffering from his apparent heart attack he saw two sets of headlights coming up behind him was a car and the other was a pickup truck he he got out of his car to flag them down obviously because he's having medical issues. The two vehicles both stopped what he said about twenty feet from him. The passengers passengers got out then left together in one car. Joe Spent the rest of the night in his car before walking back down the mountain in the morning so oh this so okay. Let's recap version one Joe Johns having a heart attack now remember Joe Johns. Is this guy who contacted police saying he saw the group so he's not part of the moon. I'm going to try and keep recapping as much as possible because there's a lot of actors in this story Joe Get stuck on this road again. This is the road where the this group of five that are developmentally disabled drove up with no issue. This guy has a cabin here and had issues driving up this road. He got stuck in the snow. He he was trying to push his car out of being stuck. When he suffered heart attack? He's laying in his car having a heart attack apparently when he sees headlights come up thinking thinking he's got some sort of salvation. He's going to get help. He flags them down. Both cars. Stop the people exit the cars all enter into one car just simply drive away which means they left the pickup truck there apparently then this guy who's having a heart attack spent the night having his heart attack in his car car in walked out to get help and survived so that's version one the second version which is more mysterious us while laying inside the car Joe said he heard whistling noises in saw what he thought was a group of men and a woman with a baby walking in the light right of another vehicle headlights joe called for help and the lights turned off in the whistling sound stopped a few hours later he we saw flashlight beams outside of his car and call out for help again but immediately the lights went out Joe Scon- stated his car until it ran out of gas then he you walked eight miles down the mountain passing Jack Madrid's car on the way which he said he didn't think about much of it when he'd seen it until he heard about the disappearance appearance that is bizarre so what would appear to be cooperation of the truck version of the story. There was a woman who reported seeing the five men in a red pickup truck on Saturday and Sunday about an hour's drive from the side of their band car now this lady she owned a store in town on were they were she said to the men came into by food. One of them made a phone call from a nearby phone booth and the other two state in the truck. This is the last report we would hear about that for several months so this is I mean if you can imagine being an investigator on this case what is going on you have to immediately start thinking about the credibility of your witnesses. You have to start then realizing that both those stories that Joe Joe Scott told are ridiculous but you have one words. Kinda cooperated were a woman reports seeing them in a red pickup truck later on in that weekend. I guess I'm confused with the part that the guy gave two different stories from your research. Did it say why he told the I story and then changed it. We'll we'll get we'll get into that in a bit and that's where I was. I also thought it might have been two were. I always had take all the information we get with a grain of salt because it's I mean by the time we're getting this up. especially in these cases a lot of this stuff will come from if if the police reports don't have it news article clippings so you have that issue where like we said earlier if anyone's ever had an interview done if you've had your five minutes of fame or you've done something and you've talked for twenty minutes to a news reporter and they play literally five seconds of it so like are they cutting it down like what's it's happening so there's a lot of things that you have to consider here. What I do is try and distill both versions of the story and realize that both versions are both crazy they really on and then the one with the pickup truck seems to be cooperated again by this woman where you start thinking okay? Maybe they weren't a pickup truck this guys calling out they are disabled so maybe they think of it as maybe threatening and they quick drive away but why are they in a pickup truck they were in in their car. They left like Kinda. Get in the whole concept of what is going on in that mountainside that night that all these weird things are happening thing and you have these guys changing vehicles leaving their vehicle showing up in the next couple of days driving around going making phone calls going to the store. One thing that makes me believe that this woman noted them as a group of five guys is going to be noticeable especially if they're kinda acting developmentally disabled you're going to remember for those types of people and that's what really makes stick out whereas if it was just like a couple of buddies are like one guy they might be overlooked very easily well yeah that's puzzling and I'm kind of going through my head of all the scenarios I could think of what could be going on here. First of all like you said it's it's February in the mountains so there's snow on the ground looking at one thousand nine hundred thousand nine Mercury Montego. You would not want to take that thing off roading. It's it you know it's like when you're big boat type a classic cars from the Sixties Yeah. I'm sure it's probably real drive probably terrible in the snow no definitely not something you take off roading so why they would even be out in the national forests because actually looked up the campsite that they their car was is found near you know it's pretty deep into the plumas national forest so it's not like on the fringe they needed special trucks to get there her and when they specifically note that this must have been a skilled driver that's when you start thinking again not making fun on but you have a group of developmentally disabled people. Only two of them are capable of getting a license. Were they with another person with someone else driving that car for them and now like like you said I don't know the whole time land so I could be wrong but you know the first thing that come that my mind are did they did something happen to them in Yuba or Chico where their car was stolen and then did it get ditched up in the in the national forest because you know it's winter. It's up in the mountains. I you know the it sounds like they weren't prepared to spend even one night laid out in the wilderness so they're not gonna be prepared for cold weather. you know the elements so I can't imagine them. Just you know on their own driving out into the woods. I have a feeling there's gotta be some foul. Play involved in out when it comes to this other guy. What would you say his name was shot? She actress guns are Joseph Joe Skin. I have to wonder you know he's having a heart attack. He's obviously in distress. Could he have have maybe hallucinated some of these. That's that's what I was wondering because I couldn't find like a medical report like yeah 'cause I was an emt from what I know about heart attacks is you don't recover from them on your own. Typically your heart muscle dis dis unless you're a pregnant woman pregnant women women. It's this is actually really neat phenomenon. You can look up separately here. the fetus of a pregnant woman will send stem cells back and actually can repair a woman's heart if they have a heart attack but that's pretty much the only time that you can get repaired heart muscle from a heart attack is if you're pregnant yeah so if he's having heart attacks through the night I I don't know if it's actually heart attack or maybe a panic attack or something else where he just got chest pain. You read my mind so I'm thinking like okay. He says he had a heart attack Zac. We we can't find any evidence through publicly available information that says he had heart attack but just you know common sense from everything we know. I just can't imagine a guy having a heart attack staying there all night and then hiking down the mountain yeah the amount of stress that puts on your heart like he wouldn't have survived. My hunch is he had some other type of medical issue or or a a mental issue where he was hallucinating or it caused him hallucinate because what he was seeing you know maybe a car drove by but in his mind he thought it stopped and people got out Oton gotten to a different car. I guess you know the car that was abandoned when there were two cars were they able to find that abandoned car the next morning ahead of his truck so they found the car but you in the first story sorry. You said that he he remembered seeing two-car. Strive up bought stop it was it was a car and a truck drove up both stopped. They both exited exited one and then got the other yeah but then it doesn't make mention of like like I think we're getting his car was probably still there. was there another car when they went in recovery in his car got stuck. You would assume the other car is going to be stuck up there too. What was the other car found the next morning? I guess we'll never know 'cause you wasn't publicly. Can you stated yeah just so far. Obviously we don't know the rest of the story but it's puzzling well and that's where it's a it'd be very easy to write him off as like okay. This is just a guy who's maybe a little Kooky and just wants to be important. Tell stories but but then you have a separate woman who reported seeing them in a red pickup truck on Saturday and Sunday driving around is hanging out so you like have have some level of cooperation of Joe Scans a story by a completely independent person. That's not connected to him at all Yeah No. It's that's puzzling. I'm it's so bizarre. We don't we don't have to sit on. This is too much lower because I'll I'll my mind will explode if I just spend the time on this just trying to figure out what the hell happened that night yeah so now we're going to fast forward to June so we're getting into more of the summertime a man riding his motorcycle through the area so it didn't mention but based on again the terrain eight. I'm guessing this guy's probably this dirt bike in through the National Forest he noticed a broken window in a forest service trailer and the trailer is located about nineteen miles up the mountain from where the car was found so now we're nineteen miles up the mountain from where the Yuba city fives car was found inside the trailer. He found the body of Ted. We're okay this is weird so did the description of of the body founded it mentioned anything about. Can you know obviously decomposed hour. We're going to get there okay. I just wanted to sink in for you. Yeah Okay Okay so we found one of the EU's Yuba city five in a kind of service trailer in and this was like come to give you an example of this isn't just like a little tiny trail. This is like a full outfitted trailer so we go through that a little bit but but yeah this is again doc the twenty miles up the mountain they found the body there the day after Weir's body was discovered searchers then found the remains of love Madrid Ruga and sterling so now we have three of the five were found in the area of the trailer. They were found on opposite sides of the road from the trailer her and again this is roughly they SA- they they keep saying it's roughly eleven and a half to nineteen miles from where the car was found so it's it's. That's a pretty big gap but I'm guessing this roads are so off Roti that it's Kinda wind e and they don't really have a good good. Estimate there have Madrid had been partially eaten by animals was dragged about ten feet to a stream. Yeah okay was laid face up his his right hand was curled around his watch. Sterling was in a wooded area scattered over about fifty feet. There is nothing left of him but bones so it gives an idea of kind of that time line and we always talk about in the episodes like Oh what if an animal had gotten too so this is an idea of how you can tell an animal animal got. They don't really move the the body away from where originally was in. It's kind of so whenever we have these stories where people are just disappeared entirely. That's that's why we always kind of get to the point where it's not animal so that's just an example two days after that just off of the same road but much closer to the trailer Jackie Hewitt's father found his sons backbone along with a pair of Levis and rip soled shoes so an assistant from an assistant sheriff from Plumas County found the skull the next day about one hundred yards downhill from the rest of the bones which the family dentist the family dentists used to who identify the remains. Let's how they knew that it was is Jackie Hewitt so now we've found four of the five correct Hewitt's remains located northeast of the trailer. They're just like sterling's in Majorca so now we have four accounted for one of the trailer. Three more were northeast of the trailer. Several hundred feet away north west of the trailer about a quarter mile away searchers found three wolf four service blankets and to an A. to sell flashlight lying on the side of the road. The flashlight was slightly rusted and had been turned off so it was impossible to tell how long it had been there but it had been there long enough that it was exposed the elements and rusted a bit it yeah they still haven't found any signs of Gary Mathias so to recap we found one guy was in the trailer Yup and then there were two guys found on the other side of the road one had been kind of was kind of dragged the to the river by animals. The the other guy was nothing but bones left in the fourth guy. There's there's I'm having straight. They haven't found they they will they found the backbone and the backbone the Levi's go yeah and they found the skull little bit farther away that they use the dental records to identify him. Okay okay wow so those those three were northeast northwest up the road was they found blankets and a flashlight. They didn't know who it was. Is there no sign of so that was geared. They're still looking for Gary. Gary was the last one of the group that they didn't have any any sign of essentially so that makes it sound unlike you know someone was trying to stay warm. Maybe yeah like or gopher help or something go for help. Yeah yeah interesting. It's a flashlight but then Dan where's the body so here. Here's what's crazy. Though Gary's tennis shoes were inside the trailer would suggested the investigators that that he might have taken them off to put on Weir's leather shoes because that's what they found since we're had bigger feet and matthias feet may have been swollen with frostbite so that's kind of what the investigators hitters were thinking of that he took bigger shoes so that he could actually go walk around. Although the men's bodies were heavily decomposed autopsy topsy results determined that they had likely died for me exposure so they had died from the outside so right now. Everyone is probably thinking. Why is this a location is unknown episode? We kind of have an idea. These guys were mentally handicap. They may have got lost. They may have gone. They found this place in more just kinda wandering around until they died. I would normally agree with you until you learn a little bit more about what happened. So it appeared that Ted had lived eight to thirteen weeks wchs after his disappearance based on the length of his beard in around one hundred pound weight loss so he weighed just one hundred twenty pounds at the time of his death several bedsheets in a shroud were tightly tucked over his body that indicates that someone else had been there with him in the trailer as he couldn't have bottled himself up that way so if you if you imagine like I got kids I took him in real tight for fun like they can't do that by themselves so he's tucked in a way that someone else had to do it for him so his leather shoes were taken off as we said we're missing entirely and they still had Gary Matthias issues there so that's where they came to the conclusion that Gary left his tennis shoes there and probably took Ted's as Ted had bigger our feet and they said the only reason you do that is if you're were swollen from frostbite potentially so that's where they got that idea from so a table by the bed held his nickel ring with the words Ted engraved on it his gold net let his gold necklace his wallet with cash inside in a Gold Wadham Walsh that was not property of any of the men and it's crystal was missing which family say that had the families say had not belong to any of the five men and Ted's feet were fed fed were badly frostbitten what that leads me to believe as there wasn't really a robbery or they weren't being held hostage because all of their personal belongings were there and and apparently a gold watch that wasn't even theirs to begin with was there they made it up this mountain somewhere between twelve nine thousand nine miles through the snow up the mountain to this trailer and were there for several weeks apparently even though we have eyewitness statements that they were in a truck tuck from two different people. This is where the story is very strange already. We have conflicting accounts from that night. souris that that sound from paranormal from shaky sourced that's like to me like the whistling in the baby and the woman are like very weird paranormal type stuff but then we have another story corroborated by a woman who claims you've seen the man this is where it gets even weirder than that inside the trailer authorities found heavy clothing matches playing cards books wooden furniture and other materials that can convinced easily us to start a fire but there had been no apparent attempt to start a fire despite the freezing temperatures in the mountains a propane tank connected to the trailer which would have was connected and full which would obviously provided array source of heat and cooking fuel was completely untouched so this is a trailer that is meant to be lived in in the winter conditions this Yuba County Lieutenant Lance Air said all they would have had to do is turn the gas on and they would have and they would've had heat in the trailer and they cooked now now get this next to the trailer in a storage shed outside there is a year supply of C rations so so they're individually canned pre cooked and pre prepared meals issued for the US military the men consumed thirty six of the meals and left the majority of them untouched changed so they had access to food yet. You have ted basically wasting away in bed and they left a ton of Oman touched. There's a huge surprise supply of freeze dried meals. Also one of the scene rations had been opened with a Army P thirty eight can can opener so they had ample shelter ample food and supplies to survive for up to a year in any condition essentially without they wouldn't leave that trailer area and they were unable to work any of that stuff and this is where again skeptics might say okay. They're mentally disabled. Maybe they didn't know what to do but I mean these guys could drive a car. They held jobs. They were in the military. I don't think it would have been beyond them to figure figure some of that stuff out because those propane takes again. It's you turn Knob and now you have propane so you know the thing is there is enough food for them to eat eat for year and yes. There's evidence to show. They were eating some of the food so they knew where the food was. They knew that they could eat it. They were eating it and like you said and why was one of the guys withering away you know hundred pounds of weight loss that just doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand there's there's a year's supply of food there. Why aren't they eating? Why are they? Why did they stay up there for thirteen weeks? I'm just kinda rambling off. What's coming coming to my head? Why was there a random watched that didn't belong to all them is there you know maybe it was a you know a sixth person with them? You know that that was there with them but you know there's no evidence of it now win in why why were their bodies located across the street like I I can understand the one will emit even find the body still but there is a flashlight and blankets up the road so k. Maybe one attempted to go find help. nope the other two. I mean they were within several feet of the trailer today. Crawl outside to die like what what's what's happening to it is grew you know so I'm GonNa go straight into conspiracy okay. Why do I like paranormal paranormal? It's our first show back. It's going for it. The one thing I can't you know settle on his why they're up there there that I don't think we'll we'll know why do they drive you know deviate from their plan of going to the basketball term in the next day and go deep into the national forests in the middle of winter in a you know a classic muscle car type. You know type of car something that shouldn't be out there rushing to make it simpler again just to reiterate Chico to Yuba city is straight down. I have it written down here straight down highway seventy through central valley in low lying land with no oh snow at that time of year so it's it's around an hour of Dr but they ended up going complete opposite direction through the snow in the mountains which again even if you're you mentally challenged or disabled you should know if you're going through mountains runs or if you're supposed to be in a freeway especially at their comprehension level what about this so they drive into the woods for unknown reasons their car breaks down they they decide for some reason to head I think you said they had went north like nineteen miles. Yeah that's where this trailer was. What if something was pursuing them or scared them and they decided to head north to get away from it and they hit this trailer? Whatever whatever was pursuing them pursued them to this location and they were scared to leave it and they held up here for as long as they could but eventually you know something thing happened and they got you know disorientated and ran out into the woods and then you know succumb to exposure? It's very the X. files and you know what really in my skewing my thought process started watching the latest season of mine hunters on Netflix so I'm immediately thinking like okay. Is there a drain serial killer in that area that like toyed with them and tortured them like locked him up there and starved Omer like I don't know like so yeah you have. These guys like it's I mean you've to me. Even Rotana notes like you have a bunch of questions like why did they get loss at night. It's question number one. They went really far the wrong way in the wrong direction in a way that is not even close to the right way slyke again. I keep wanting to jump back to the developmental disabilities like okay maybe if it was a similar road a similar direction and they made a wrong turn and they ended up here no it's it couldn't have been any different from the ride home. I mean it's the it's quite literally exact opposite. You have this straight south road with no snow. They took this bumpy northern road with snow up the mountains so it's like you've mountains and valleys snow no snow south-and-north. It couldn't have been more opposite of the way they should have went and they had maps. They had all the information they I needed to get back. I think you can rule out like robbery or foul play in the sense that you know the car wasn't stolen. All of their belongings were found in that trailer including money so you know someone didn't go in there and murder them and then leave all valuable possessions behind that that doesn't make sense so then then that brings a question of what happened around the car so the group's car was left open with gas in the tank and it wasn't working order. They said Ed so they left they left the car and the keys were gone so they took the keys with them. Yeah so this could explain the story told by hi Joe Scans reset he saw flashlights around the car like if they abandoned were walking but it didn't save they had flashlights to begin with. Could they event could they have lost the keys like maybe they got out to look around lost the keys and they're looking in the snow and they're freaked out by this Joe Scans Guy because they were in an isolated area. Maybe one maybe their car got stuck or something and they started walking walking up the road and maybe another trucker something came by and maybe the weather is really bad that night and maybe you know they're like you know. There's a forest service trailer up here about twenty miles. How about I you know we'll take you there for the night and then you know you can get out in the morning? When the the storm dies down? Maybe it was something as simple as that so then that leads to this woman that saw them Saturday and Sunday and a truck so they are in town and one of them apparently made a phone call yet. Obviously it was either. She's lying. It was a different group of people because no family member reported taking that phone call on Saturday or Sunday. So if let's let's say for in the first case yes it was them for sure. Who did he call in how come they didn't come forward and if it wasn't them how odd would it be in that small town area to have five men matching their description inner red truck which corroborates that Joe Scon- story in my the I I mean I know my guess is the woman misidentified a group a a group of guys? I think okay I'll buy that Yeah I. I'm guessing she misidentified him. I don't think they ever came back out of the forest once. They drove in there okay so you think they abandoned the car her do you believe do you believe the Joe Scott any part of Joe scancen true. I'd say that even meeting that he claims he saw them. I so Joe Joe Scans. I think had some type of medical emergency. I don't think it was a heart attack based on the fact that he was able to hike out of the out of the woods the next morning I think he must've this is just my aunt. She had some type of medical emergency that caused asked him to maybe collusive eight or you know something happened where he wasn't seeing things correctly. He may have seen maybe he saw truck with the the Uber five going by but you know I mean maybe he was tired. He's having some type of medical issue. He maybe he'll loosen its hearing this whistling whistling sound and seeing the woman with a baby out in the forest so that doesn't make sense. I think this is my two theories of how they got to the trailer sure I I'll I'll say right now. I have no theory on why they're up in the woods. In the first place that's puzzling. I have no idea and that's like the one thing we can obviously tell true because their bodies were there and their cars their cars. They're so they're in the woods for whatever reason we will never know why they went into the woods but so there in the woods so we know where the car was so for some reason they decided to make a nineteen mile hike in the middle of the night. I assume very very cold temperatures February at elevation to this trailer so either either hiked the hallway or someone driving by gave him a the ride to the trailer tonight overnight the storm the one theory of them getting a ride to the trailer. You know that that's not very suspenseful. The other theory is why did they stop. Why do they get out? Why did they head north to the trailer with a fully functioning car with gas still did something spook them? was something pursuing them. Were they afraid to go back down the way they came. You know my I you know if I would try. Try to go back the way I came if I'm not familiar with the area. I don't know that trailers up there this seventy s we don't have you know we don't have an iphone where we can pull out in up a map and I think what's important in Tuesday noted that the window was rolled down the car so if it's cold and snowy outside maybe they were talking to another car that was coming by and they rolled the window down like like yet and that's where I think those those little details. I think really do make a huge difference this story because the they made very careful mentioned the investigation that the car was damaged at all it up there appeared to be no foul play meaning that whatever happened was completely under the free will of the men and they'd apparently apparently eaten the food left their role the window down at some point which their snow. It's cold yeah so there should be no reason at the windows just down especially with the cold weather so so like you said did they come across somebody. Did they actually try and speak to somebody they didn't make it as far as JOE SCONCES car because he had mentioned that he he had passed their car when he was coming down the mountain and in his story that group came up the mountain pass him and continued up the mountain and that's where again portions of history actually make sense which would fall in the timeline of them making their way up to where they ended up in a trailer so I would say yes. Joe Didn't see them walk by. I would say that someone must have given them a ride to that trailer now. The interesting thing is what happens once they're in the trailer so and where their bodies Ezra found so. We've got this one guy who lost a lot of weight. Even though there is food you know a year's worth of food there. You've got the bodies kind of dispersed in different locations outside the trailer. You've got a random watch from an individual. We don't know who's it is. Maybe there's some kind of weird so maybe the people that gave them a ride up to the trailer you maybe they held them captive. They're Kinda against their will. That's Kinda. Were again my my mind. Minehunters theory is coming in a plays like were. They abducted in a complicit way meaning where somebody said hey you want help get outta here in and this abductor knew about the cabin had a truck and we're driving them around. Maybe even drove them in the town and there they again being maybe a little little bit disabled could have been tricked into thinking he was going to help and you know what this so. You said the one guy found in the trailer had bad frostbite on his feet. Yeah they said it was it was going gangrene angry and he had been starved apparently even though they had access to the food what about this so that night they start hiking you know several miles in the snow and they probably that's where he probably. I got his frostbite. This guy truck drives by picks them up takes like all right this guy he needs to get you know to some shelter they take him to the trailer are they. They they lay him down. Maybe the next day the the guys in the truck I'll go into town. Leave him in the trailer like we're GonNa go get you helper for whatever oh and that's where they get. That's where they get the five guys it's one new actor new guy for the group and then the backup okay okay. Maybe maybe something happens where now they're being held against their will and I mean there's no other explanation for why the one guy wasn't eating. They're why they're up there for thirteen weeks you you know you had you would try to come back down. I mean that's why I think maybe they were held against their will. Here's here's all right so here's the rub on that. Where's Gary Gary's body has never been found yeah that yeah so that's that's where did he get away like we're all those bodies far away because they're trying to escape in Gary Dead but then he probably died of exposure somewhere else and they just announced body how keep keep in mind though Gary was taking medication for Schizophrenia and he had a history he had a history of lapsing on his drugs which would put him into a disoriented psychosis so dat that again? This is where it's crazy you know. Could he have been responsible for some of this. Maybe he was off his meds as they get stuck out there or maybe let's. Let's put this way. Maybe he's on his meds but they expected to be home. He's now several days to weeks off of his Ed's is he causing issues like attacking the others like Kinda losing it yeah maybe what happens is he after several weeks which it still doesn't explain why they're up there for that long but maybe he starts going lean into that psychosis the other guys run out of the trailer and he pursues them in you know kills them yeah and then that's why you're finding their bodies in different spots outside of the trailer I mean they say they died from exposure so well and that's where it's an that's where again there wasn't really clear police reports or corners report to say I'm sure if they found a skull with blunt force trauma maybe but if they've been out there long enough decomposing in animals had gotten at it is it possible that it could have covered up some sort of traumatic blunt force that would have rendered them incapacitated to or maybe be again. This is all theory speculative spy speculation from me specialization. That's not a word speculation but let's say he goes in his deep psychosis. The men were eating but this guy has a complete mental psychosis breakdown starts attacking them in some way they go running running to try and avoid it. He hits them. What's on the maximum out gets the other one knocks him out leave their bodies there and then whether animals and time I'm take their toll? He's stops feeding Ted. Maybe so maybe to your story maybe Ted got frostbite on the way up can't really walk is just bedridden and and now his only caretaker is in this mental state of psychosis so he's essentially starving to death in this trailer incapacity by gangrene screened frostbitten legs so he's probably got a fever probably the sweats incapable of taking care of himself even if you wanted to and then you have so you have that accounts for three men were he attacked outside one stuck in there. He's the north worth does he. In the psychosis then he's got these dead bodies of his friends is some point coming out of the psychosis at some point himself and some blankets grabs a flashlight and then walks off trying to figure out what's going on again. You gotTA think not nuclear mental state if he's off his meds and has is prone to these psychoses and he's dead of exposure somewhere too but they have yet to find the body you said there are a lot of canyons and and things in this area area could he have just wandered off into the night day and then that's it. That's that's regardless yeah I just I you know thirteen eighteen weeks. You know three months so they went. They went missing on February Twenty twenty four th so you're talking. You know it's getting the May now you know. Why aren't they walking out yeah? You've got all this I just I know we literally say this. After every episode we do the but this is by far the most puzzling case we've done yeah. It's so weird. It's it's. There's usually the reason why I've seen as a lot of cases we do. There's a reason why the person listen was in the location. They were there on a trip hiking or they're doing this or that. Yeah we have these five guys that were in the forest for no apparent the reason in a time of the year where you wouldn't want to be there completely unprepared so we know they didn't go into the woods on purpose so already already right off the bat. We don't even know why they're there. which is unusual for the case as we look at all? The people are in the woods for reason usually usually so so. Do you want your do you want to hear the maternal instinct's of Jack Missouri's mom so this is a quote from her. She said there there must have been some force that made him go up there. They wouldn't have fled off in the would like a bunch of quail. We know good and well that somebody made them do it. We can't visualize someone getting the upper hand in those five men but we know it must have been they seen something at that game at that parking lot says Ted we're sister-in-law. They might have seen it and didn't realize even seen it so this is the family their gut instinct is they saw something or got into. It's something they shouldn't have. They made them go up there and so let's think mafia they saw mafia hit. They get driven up there. You know maybe maybe maybe they took him from that store and with a truck in someone drove their car parked the car shelia. He's then drove him up tat thing. captive held them captive. I don't know that's just the gut instinct of the family and the courts the family had said well that goes along my paranormal theory that something spooked them and chase them to that trailer and they were afraid to leave it and whatever it was eventually got them. After you know several weeks could it could have been aliens. The Whistle Liaisons Leagues. I'm thoroughly confused says I was before I knew the timeline. I know it's it's it's that's where a- At least in a lot of these cases I mean I think we always say the case could either be died of exposure died from an attack or some other like simplistic duct if yet there's so many different facts in reports from this case and then contradicting but corroborating robbery statements that I feel like this is really open ended. I don't feel confident in any answer answer here. It's it's very similar to our last case where the guy disappeared in like six hundred foot area on a mountain yeah like my my end up result was he wanted to get loss and the whole story was fake this one. It's like I'm thinking of nine hundred there's a serial killer in that would somewhere and he held these people Kaftan after tortured him Yep and prayed on them from Chico got them from their somehow he coaxed him up in the mountains somehow or a group of people did he and Joe Scans just kind of crazy due to live up in the mountains and wanted to be a part of the action so he made up these two separate stories again. You have this guy who has to completely and they're not even I mean the only thing close about it is that he saw them and they walked up and lights turned off yeah yeah but other than that. It's very different version. You said he came forward with this information after it was known these guys were missing yeah so you know it's another one of those cases of you know you. You know that these people are missing sue either yeah like you said you're trained trains. You involve yourself in the case or you may have seen other people and you just kind of naturally assume it's the people that are missing because the guy who did it and they just weren't good at getting that stuff back. Then I mean like I mean is he involved himself in the case because he's the one that did it and he got away with it. Yeah I don't know I don't think we're ever going to know the answer to this one but yeah unsatisfying show oh the new season of episodes really can't can't sell about this our whole well are the locations and known in general how unsatisfying are all these episodes where we just never really know what happened. I mean they'll end the same way honestly though but I still I love researching every single one of them I the other cases. Though have you know probably three plausible three three or four plausible theories that I could see happening this one. I I don't have any clue you know I guess the closest theory we got as they were held against their will for three months and then one guy's gone and one guy's gone yeah in one one guy never was found so yeah well great. I episode I'd say with that. Thank thank you for tuning in sorry for making your awful. No make sure to give us a like your review on. I tunes wound stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts it you know if you want to help the show out. We've got a store on facebook. You can buy some hats and bumper stickers there email plus locations unknown at g mail dot com with any comments criticisms. If you know any of the people involved in the cases we're talking about. We'd love to hear from you with that. Thank you for tuning in

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The Mysterious Disappearance of the Yuba County Five

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The Mysterious Disappearance of the Yuba County Five

"Are you that Weirdo? That brings up a forty two year old missing persons case at Happy Hour. Well then this is the podcast for you. Welcome to happy. Hour gets weird. Hi Welcome back this week. Hi guys or welcome or welcome if you're new here. I'm Casey. I'm tiffany and this is happy. Hour Gas Weird where podcasts where we talk about Weird Shit and drink good. Shit yes exactly. I love that so And we are back again this week with a missing persons case another true crime another to crime and this week we decided to I've kind of always been a fan of Martini. Dirty Martini so I was I. Why don't we just go wild and have a dirty Martini? So we made dirty MARTINIS. And that's what we're sipping on this episode and they are Delicious Delicious Salty. Yummy strong amazing. Yes I am going to swell three times. My normal size By tomorrow morning but it is worth it. There is a lot of olive juice in these. Yeah and if you're interested in our recipe find us on instagram. Yeah we always post our picture drink pictures and our recipes on instagram. Happy hour gets weird. Pod Is our handle also on twitter. I think you could just search us on twitter correct. Yes I don't really understand the twitter handle versus name. I don't really understand that yet. Don't ask me about twitter. I have no idea how this is my first Rodeo Hook up twitter okay. Perfect before we get started. I oh you and our listeners. A small apology. Oh I love apologies. Okay oh well sip your Martini and get ready. Because I'm GonNa lay went on. Yeah okay last week I totally made fun of you for saying one Coronas Brothers Name Wrong. Yeah but you were actually correct. Oh I oh my Gosh I love these revel in this. This is yes. You're correct and I said his name wrong the entire episode so slash that in reverse it if you listen to our one corona episode. I think also called him killer instead of murderer and his AKA. Well I mean yeah I know it's the same potato. I just wanted to clarify that. I apologize and even the podcast is a just for fun show. Yeah we still always drive to be as accurate as possible especially when it comes to true crime right which take more seriously than some of our other more topics. Excuse me speak for yourself. I take bigfoot and aliens very serious take them very seriously too but if I accidentally call big foot by the wrong name not gonNA fill is bad. Yeah I mean big Peter People too but hey I are they people. That's another episode. I don't WanNa get into this with you right now. Let's start a fight before the episode. Okay so I think I would. At the time I thought mistakenly called him an atop dodd And and that was that was actually the correct name so his name was actually natade Corona. Yes and we put that on our instagram photos that we put up. So yeah so okay. Well thank you for that apology. I will gladly accept it next time. No apologies for me. You should throw that in my phone and only apology. No matter no matter how many times I'm wrong you get one. I'll take that one and you should throw that drink in my face but then you'd waste the drink. Yeah I would never do that. 'cause it's too delicious all right so on that note. Let's get into this. It is a weird case this week. It's weird it's bizarre. You know I have a thing for missing persons. I find them so fascinating. Just because it's like where the fuck did they go and it's local. It is local that is true it is a local case. So I'm going to start off with my sources Journalists Benji a goal from the Sacramento. Bee did a wonderful two part article By the name of out in the cold for mentally disabled man died in the woods. But what happened to the fifth so I use that for my main source and then wikipedia just like we normally do check the time line and other bits. That may be the article. Didn't cover like I said this is a is a weird case and not a lot of people know about it even an I. I don't really know why we can talk about that at the end. But with this case even when you think you get answers you'll only be left with more questions. It still considered unsolved and remains open to this day. The current Yuba County Sheriff's department. Let Benji Eagle from the sack. Be Look at all the evidence as long as he didn't take any or take pictures so the main source from this article that he wrote the two part series in this act be was based on the evidence that is still with the Yuba County Sheriff's department. That's amazing that he had access to that. Yeah so I'm actually. This was a a wonderful article. Obviously I didn't cover everything. I suggest reading it if you're interested in this case because it it's a it's a wonderfully written article and I'm GonNa Start with his opening to that article. I'm GonNa read his opening because it's just so good. A Northern California drought broke hard in February. Nineteen seventy eight blanketing rural areas of the state in sheets of snow as if Yuba County residents needed another reason to stay inside radios and TV's were spewing real life crime drama. I with filmmaker Roman Polanski's escaped to France in the face of an impending statutory rape sentencing. Then when a murder suspect that went by the name of Ted Bundy was arrested in Florida after twice escaping from Colorado authorities and by the end of the month the grisly story dominating the Airways was one from their own backyard. I don't know if you've heard ten buddy. Nope never heard of him or Roman Polanski. Okay so exactly. Forty two years ago almost to the day yesterday yesterday it was to the day but today's not yesterday so almost to the day we've done that twice in a row now and it's so crazy wild in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. A mysterious disappearance of five men rock the small town of Marysville California which is located just forty miles north of Sacramento. The town the police and their families referred to the five men who ranged from early twenties to early thirties. As the boys the five men were all developmentally delayed or mentally handicapped in some ways so during this episode all refer to them sometimes as the boys and sometimes as the men they were technically in age men but maybe mentally by their friends and family were considered the boys just because they were developmentally delayed in some way one way or another. That's also kind of a term of endearment. Yeah it is I felt like it was. It was term of endearment children. It wasn't a the boys and a belittling way was like the good old boy. The boys the boys met through Gateway Project an organization for adults with special needs. They became fast friends. And we're inseparable most of the time. Here's a quote from Jack. Beecham the under sheriff in Nineteen. Seventy eight. They were kind of described as studs of their community. You know the special needs folks. They were athletic very well liked and very well respected. They were nice kids. Nice people so I'm going to get into a little bit about who the boys were and their background. So we'll start off with Ted. We're WHO's thirty two? He loved making friends. He was very social and according to his but according to his family he lacked basic common sense so for example one time he spent one hundred dollars on pencils for no apparent reason. He just bought one hundred dollars. Worth of pencils probably really cool pencils is defense. I mean I think they must've been you remember those holographic ones with Indiana racer about. That's what I think they were. He would question simple instructions like stopping at a stop sign or one time. His parents house caught on fire when they were all sleeping. And as the roof burn above him Ted late in bed watching the flames and when his brother Dallas went into try to get him out of bed. He said leave me alone. I have to rest for work tomorrow. Not really aware as angel. Yeah that was GONNA burn his house down and him. Dallas ended up dragging him from the house And he was okay they were all okay but he would also do things like wake up in the middle of the night and wake up his brother and ask things like why can mickey mantle hit a ball farther than me and one thing about each of these men Is there was not an official diagnosis in the news report? So I I don't know it was but for the time of like the blanket. Diagnosis of just like slow. A lot of few of these boys sound like they're on the autistic spectrum before autism was a diagnosed thing So this is back in the seventies. So maybe I don't think really autism was a diagnosis then. Probably not. And that brings us to Jack Hewitt Twenty Four. He was the most severely handicapped out of the group. His father said he couldn't read he couldn't right and he relied heavily on his mother and his best friend. Ted for help. He didn't like to be away from home. For extended periods of time especially not overnight actually had a heavy speech impediment and didn't really like to be without his mom and next we have bill stirling twenty nine he used to be a dishwasher at Beale Air Force Base but. His mother made him quit once she found out that the airmen were routinely getting him drunk so they could steal his money. Rude very rude. Just get drunk. You don't need to still money Dr Nice. Yeah just junk. Exactly so bill. His family had a cabin at Bucks Lake in the Plumas National Forest and he would go there fishing with his family And they would you know take annual trips there but after a while. He didn't like the forest he didn't like being out in the Wilderness. He didn't like fishing really so he started to stay home after they when they would go on their annual trips just because he didn't really let camping or staying at the cabin so the night he banished. He had fifteen dollars allowance. A map of California a map of Sacramento a map of Stockton and a map of San Francisco on his percent. Well prepared Yes for anything really and it sounds crazy to say that now but back then. If you didn't know where you're going you had a map. Yeah maybe he just liked to hit. It was his way of controlling. His environment is to keep maps on his person just in K. just in case but you would definitely need them for directions. You couldn't just look it up while you were driving cap google. Yeah whereas I don't know where is the Plumas National Forest and that brings us to Jack? Madridl thirty he worked as a dishwasher at sense wheat growers a local dried fruit company. And I'M ANA use direct quotes from the article. That family members told police quote not mentally retarded in the common sense of retardation merely slow in his thought process and quote. Obviously that we don't use those words anymore. But that was a direct quote so he jack could manage his own finances. He was actually a truck driver in the army from sixty six sixty eight and he was one of two of the men who had a driver's license and Jack Actually owned a car. Wow Yeah and that brings us to the fifth and final member is Gary Matthias. He was twenty five and he was a singer in a local band. He played football at Marysville high school in the sixties and he also served in the army He had his driver's license and he worked as an assistant. Gardener his step-dad landscaping business. So we have Ted Jack Hewitt Bill Stirling Jack macdougall and Gary Matthias. Those are the five men who disappeared okay. The boys loved basketball. They played in the Special Olympics and also followed college basketball and impressive. Yeah they met through the Program they were in and that's how they got into playing basketball for their Special Olympics. Actually wow so the night of the disappearance. They went to Chico to watch their favorite basketball team. The UC Davis Basketball Team Verses Chico Basketball Team. The men's parents had tried to discourage them from going to the game and Chico because they had an early basketball game in Rocklin the next morning which they weren't GonNa Miss It was through the program. It was part of the Special Olympics and I even think that there was supposed to be a celebrity guest there. Oh so is a big deal. It was a big deal and they would not have missed it but the men were determined to go see their favorite team. Play stay went and they saw the game. Uc Davis one thirteen one and after watching. Uc Davis beat. She goes state and just before ten PM. They stopped at popular convenience store in Chico and loaded up on snacks for the ride home. This was the last time that anyone would see them alive by the early morning hours of Saturday February twenty fifth the morning after they left for Chico. All the boys parents were extremely worried. They started to call one another and ask if the boys were at each other's homes and when they all realize that the boys weren't there they contacted the police and the search got underway now. Police campus the route from Marysville Chico. And Go back to Marysville and this route was only what would you say forty miles an hour drive host yet and it's a straight shot north. Yes on than easy. Drive up ninety nine yes right or seventy either way seventy to ninety nine if you're from. Marysville okay so they took seventy to ninety nine for Marysville to Chico and it's a straight shot simple highway yes. Police put out broadcast throughout northern California with men's pictures and the circumstances of which they disappeared. The search effort produced no leads then on February Twenty Eighth Jack Madrid Gez nineteen sixty seven. Mercury Montego was found by the US Forest Service worker. It was parked at the snow line. Forty miles east of Chico in the foothills of Orville in the Plumas National Forest. The car was empty except for snack wrappers and a quarter tank of gas. Investigators didn't find the keys but when they hot wired it started right up which means with the keys. It would have started right up. Yes it didn't appear to be stuck Because it was in the snow but it didn't appear to be unmovable and even if it was slightly stuck there were five strong strong men that could have dug it out. I'm sure helped. Get it out. Yes one thing to know the car. Jacks Pride and joy was fairly undamaged which was interesting to investigators because it was a heavy car and it was loaded with five guys in fine five grown men inside the car which weighed it down. Even more on the road was mostly traveled by logging trucks which led investigators to wonder if whoever was driving new the road. Well enough not to damage the car on a dark. Bumpy Road not particularly built for low cars. Which seems like I mean. Have you ever? I'm sure you've driven on a logging truck before it beat the hell out of your car if it's not a high profile car you mean on a logging road a day logging trucks but I liked it. I always ride logging trucks for one and for two I have driven on a road that was frequented by Logging trucks and it was terrifying on my way to truckee The road was so whiny and it was snowy and these huge logging trucks were riding beside me hogging up this tiny winding road and I hate it. Yeah they're full usually dirt heavily rutted. There's usually stones and rock. There's washouts yeah. It's wherever they're bringing the trees back from. It's not a it's not pay. It's not easy access. Yeah the weird thing about this is Jack. Never let anyone drive his car. But Jack's parents also said that he didn't have any particular draw to this road or this area. He didn't know anyone in the area and he wasn't familiar with it. They basically drove forty miles in the wrong direction. Right in a way that had to be intentional. There's no way that you could do this on accident. You couldn't make five wrong. Turns IN UP HERE. It's like it's very strange. So and they also had maps right. It's weird and it's only gonNA get weirder claim. Investigators immediately started looking for the five sifting through snowbanks dogs. Horses helicopters all turned up. Nothing more than six thousand combined hours spent searching so. I looked this up because I was interested and I was like okay. You have these scent dogs. Obviously they're like noses are a million times better than humans But does know exactly. That was my question so snow. If it was a newly fallen snow it could have dampered the scent of the men which it was snowy that makes sense. Because I know that you can't track in water either YEP so you Sometimes and also in warm environments it's easier for the scent to linger. It's like a stronger. Makes it? Louder quote unveiled louder. If you will the sent to the dogs But in colder and vitamer environments it can be tougher to track ascent specially newly fallen snow. Oh Man so. It was like the worst case scenario to go missing right right now. I know where this is. I've been to this area before I used to go Nearly every year and cut down a Christmas tree up on these logging off these logging roads. it's pretty far out there and he deleted yet totally isolated and in the opposite direction. They were going and it's not like we said before a really road that you would take by accident. You're also familiar with this area right a little bit. Yahoo used to go bucks lake yes. I'm semi kinda familiar with books like I mean. It is kind of weird that I would say. Three out of the five men didn't prefer camping or the Wilderness and they end up on this snowy logging road on your way to Bucks Lake. Yeah right yeah. The only reason to really take that road is to go to books like but the people in this situation didn't have any reason to want to go to Bucks Leo. There were actually like anti nature. Yeah so it seems. It's it's like why. Why did they just want to find the guy at the convenience store or somebody that they sat next to it? The basketball game. Well the guy at the convenience store clearly remembers them because they were kind of rowdy they had just come off away picture them very like tall too because they're basketball players and just happy and having a great time. Yeah they were. He said that they were rambunctious. He actually think remembered being annoyed because they were so excited. They had come in. You know this group of big old guys. Their favorite team just one. They're heading back down in Marysville and they're gonNA get up in the morning and they're stoke yeah and he just like get your sacks and go on and get but he's specifically for them and he didn't overhear them. He couldn't give any more clues other than they were. They're getting snacks. Gosh it's so frustrating. I know at this. So at this point investigators were desperate to find the men. They even consulted a psychic. The Psychic said she saw bodies in green canvas bags and next they consulted a doubter or a water witch but A body witcher so someone hit. Yeah so someone who finds water with a Magical Ron. They also can use that to find bodies or gravesites. Okay Future episode idea. Yeah we've done psychic solving crimes. We have not done water. Witcher's or body Witter's Oh my gosh. This is fascinating either. They're known as dowager. Oh like the dowsing Rod. Yeah okay well. Wow so they brought in this man who Had A magical rod and His Majesty. I can't say magical rod without thinking were twelve years old. Yeah seriously sorry for the penis jokes. It's happy hour penis. Jokes are gonNA lock can happen. Yes so his magical. Rod pointed to an empty cabin with. No I'm trying to get through this sentence and be serious one more time for good measure his magical. Rod pointed to an empty cabin but it led to no clues strangely. A tip came in from a man who said he was scouting campsite the night. The boys drove up so he was staying in a lodge that was oh about eight miles down the hill from where the car was found and he drove up from that lodge the same night. The boys were there. He said he was scouting campsite for his wife and his daughter for the next weekend at night. Which is the best time to find a campground? Right if you're midnight that's doesn't make any sense but okay right well. I mean. It didn't didn't specify what time he originally started. But by the time it got dark he was stuck in the snow and he went to get out of his car to push it and how to fuck and heart attack. This guy is the unluckiest man alive seriously so he had a heart attack and then he couldn't push his car out of the snow because clearly are yeah so we got back in his car and he left it running with the heater on trying to wait out his heart attack and not die so he said that while he was in his car he saw six or seven shadowy shadowy figures are outside of his car and he said that he called out for help twice but when he did that he said the figures went still and turned off their lights. So I don't know if it was headlight or flashlights. I don't think the men had flashlights with them. So maybe it was headlights but also he admitted to having hallucinations from the heart attack. Like a symptom from a heart attack could be hallucinations. I was going to ask that if you have a heart attack. Are you really the best I witnessed? Probably not no. I don't think so he he. I think it can induce some kind of hallucinations because he also said that he saw five men figures with a woman and a baby that night on that road weird yes but nothing ever came from his tip and they actually doctors police had doctors do an Ekg to To prove if he did have a heart attack and in fact he did have a heart. Attack that sucks. Yeah so he recovered. He's fine eventually his car Atta gas so he slept the night in the car survived. Got Out the next morning and went to walk back eight miles down the hill to the lodge you staying at and a hundred and fifty feet away. He found their car in the middle of the road. Empty gone creepy so he was a hundred and fifty feet away from these mass so he was actually close so he could have seen that. It's not out of the question but we just don't know we just don't know okay so nothing came from this guy's tip that couldn't they. They investigated him but didn't find any foul play. It just heartbreaking. That he was a hundred and fifty feet away. Could he have been any help? He was in the middle of a heart attack. Maybe not but if they would have all stayed together till the next morning yes so more than three months went by and no sign of the men. It's as if they walked into a snowy night and vanished into thin air on June fourth of the same year after the snow melted a group of bikers. Were taken a ride in the plumas national forest when they came upon an abandoned for a service outpost as they pulled up. They noticed that a window had been broken out and they were suddenly overtaken by the strong smell of death and the call. The police tree crews spent half a day clearing trees from the road just to get to the abandoned trailer. Once they entered they found empty cans of food. Wood furniture extra clothing. Books and Ted Weirs Body. Candles had been recently lit and thirty one cans of food were found open and Eaton. They actually were opened with an army. P thirty eight can opener which needs a certain expertise to use expertise only Gary Matthias and Jack macdougall. Who were both in the army would have had? Ted's leather shoes were missing and Gerry's tennis shoes were found inside the trailer Mrs heartbreaking. It is because Jerry's tennis shoes were found inside the trailer that led investigators to believe that Gary was inside the trailer long enough to switch shoes. So Ted was the only one found at this point. He was the only one in the trailer and he was found laying on a bed covered under eight sheets with his arms on his chest. Eight sheets he had. He was covered with eight sheets covered up with eight sheets. He had his pants pulled up to his knees. His ring inscribed with Ted was on the nightstand also along with his wallet and also a gold. Watch that none of the parents recognized now. They did a analysis of Ted's beard hair and they found that the growth he had been there for at least six weeks in that trailer like his. He had been alive at least for six weeks after they went missing. Because that's how long has beard had grown? They also noticed that he had lost a considerable amount of weight. He was at least two hundred pounds when he went missing he had lost eighty two hundred pounds. Oh my God And he had. They found that he had died. From basically exposure he had blood poisoning from Frostbite which led to gangrene which lead to lead poisoning and he lost five toes at that point when God yeah terrible. Terrible terrible way to die. So let's talk about this trailer and this forced outpost for a little bit okay because I do think it's important now at this outpost. They found that Ted had died from exposure and he had covered up with eight sheets but there was plenty of material to burn in that trailer to start a fire and they. They found no evidence at any point. Had He tried to start a fire for warmth. Also there was never a fire set at all in in the trailer. For there was books there was paper. There was clothing there was would there was stuff was there. Fire starter material. Was there a lighter or matches? I believe so. It didn't say specifically but it was a fully stocked trailer. Also there was a propane tank that could have been hooked up to a heater to the trailer. That was never hooked up. Now you have to consider who these men were. Who had was it. It said that Ted didn't have common sense and also setting up a propane tank and doing all of that was probably just out of his scope. Yeah Frantic he was clarified. He was sick. He probably wouldn't even considered setting up a propane tank. I can't really blame them for that. I would. I consider setting up a private. We wouldn't either. I'm not sure I probably wouldn't either. I'd probably just try to start a fire. Yeah so now also. There was two containers at this outpost. One of the containers had been broken into which contain the canned food that they found in the trailer He had gone through the canned food. The sadly the container next to it wasn't opened it wasn't broken into it contained enough food to sustain all five men for at least a year. That's awful so there's a lot of speculation about you know whether they had the common sense or awareness to hook up the propane tank About the food. They're family sad that they were the type of men who wouldn't willingly touch something that didn't belong to them so there is a kind of a speculation saying that. Okay maybe they just felt that they were breaking and entering and it was you know it was really black and white like those were against the rules. Breaking into someone's belong as against the rules. We're not GONNA do that. Maybe they were delirious and just missed it maybe. They thought that they checked everywhere and MR SPA and didn't see the food. Maybe they didn't realize what the food was because by then they were so exhausted and hungry and cold and sick that they didn't realize what they were looking at. Yeah I tend to think that maybe they just you know tough. Conditions it snowy. You're starving you hire scared you're you have frostbite. Yeah you know it's would. I have the awareness to break into everything. I'm not sure I don't know I don't know either. It's easy to say like white and they do this or I would have done that. But until you're in that situation and you're suffering in these ways and you're going through these extreme circumstances you really don't know absolutely. I think you know even being on the I'm not in the position to diagnose anyone by any means I just have a hunch because I have a brother WHO's autistic. He's on the spectrum. He's very high functioning and his just seeming like a lot of these men might have been on the spectrum and just had not been diagnosed yet. Or you know maybe thirty years later. They would bank diagnosed or today say they would've been diagnosed on the spectrum. But you know I'm thinking at some point I think with survival kick in like the will to live with it kick in. I don't know I quit for me. I don't even know so. I think putting their diagnosis or their mental disabilities aside. I don't think anybody would know what to do in that situation until they're in that situation exactly and maybe you hire a great point. Maybe there was no access to a fire starter. Yeah they didn't. Hook up the propane so they didn't have. I don't even know if I would honestly trust myself to hook up or painting to a trailer. I can barely trust myself to hook up a propane tank to a fucking Barbara. Yeah I know and half the time like I gonNA blow up right now. I mean blow knew about. I know it sounds ridiculous but in if you're already terrified you don't WanNa add any sort of unknown element to your situation. Exactly like people will always choose the double that they know exactly exactly and I'm thinking might have literally half of my toes or frozen off. Am I going to outside again? Yeah fuck no no so jack. Muga and Bill Stirling were found two days later eight miles closer to the car my God. Oh so and by the way this trailer camp. This Forest Service camp was nearly twenty miles from their car. It was nineteen point six miles from their car so they had walked. At least Ted had walked nineteen point six miles from their car to this outpost which had to take days. Yeah there's no there's no way that was a straight line either no Jack Maduga and bill stirling found two days later eight miles closer to the car. On opposite sides of the road nothing but scattered bones were left of bill and Jack Madrid goes body was dragged to a nearby stream by animals. His car keys were still in his pants. Pocket it was determined hypothermia slash exposure was caused was the cause of death for Jack. Maju got bill sterling's death couldn't be determined because of the state up his remains. So what I WANNA know is did they all make it to the trailer and then Jack and bill decided to walk back to the car because Jack was the only one who could drive out of well one of the only ones who could drive out of the groups. Oh did they all make it to the trailer in Ted said? I'm good here. You go back to the car and then they just never made it back to the car or did they stop on the way to the trailer and we'll never know there was no other evidence in except for the one shoes. Yeah so Jack Hewitt. Other boy that they The other man. Excuse me that they hadn't found yet. They were still. The search party was still on because at this point. They're looking for Jack Hewitt and Gary Mathias Jack. Hewitt's father was warned not to help investigators on the rescue mission but on June eighth. He saw what he thought. Appear to be Jack's jacket near the trailer. When he went to pick up the jacket Jack Spine fell out. Oh my God Jack was awful. It terrible terrible Jack Hewitt was later identified by his skull and teeth found about fifty feet near his jacket in spine so by June eighth. Four of the five men had been found. I just can't imagine what these families and these parents were going through. This is the worst case scenario. It is a worst case as a parent. I just I empathize with them so deeply. This is just tragic. It is horrible it is horrible. Gary Matthias is still missing to this day. They never found his body. They never found him alive. They never found his remains nothing. It isn't known why they drove there where they were going or what they were doing to this day. So obviously we have one man. S not found. And that is Gary. And we'RE GONNA look into Gary a little bit because some of the theories of why this happened have to deal with Gerry. Matthias and these are just theories are just theories. These are just theories now the Article a lot about Gary was in the article which I'm assuming got from the evidence and it suggests my assumption only because the article was I. I'd say the prevailing theory was that Gary Matthias had something to do with this because he was a little bit different than the other men. So the four men. Bill Jack Hewitt Jack macdougall and Ted were development developmentally disabled. They were the four of them. Were friends a lot longer. And then Gary kind of joined the. Yeah now. Gary wasn't necessarily developmentally disabled. He was Diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. That's very. That's a very different diagnosis. Yes I wonder. What the was there any sort of a test or documentation or anything needed to be a part of this group that these boys were in well. That's a very good question. You know I was thinking on the way over here. I was thinking. Is there some kind of baseline for the Special Olympics? Do you have to have an official diagnosis of like developmentally disabled? And I'm thinking back in the seventies. Maybe you didn't today. Obviously you would. Yes but I'm thinking in the seventies probably not because they're still a lot of unknowns. Yes so. Gary was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. Am He was also set apart from the other man in the way that he had run in with the law the the other men were law abiding citizens well liked by the community. They were kind of popular in the community. Not only the Special Olympics community but also just the community at large because they were athletes in yeah great guys and active and Marysville in the seventies even today but Marysville seventies was an extremely small town yes it was probably considered some kind of like blip outpost. Yeah you know Gary had spent most of his childhood in a Napa Insane asylum now called Napa State Hospital. Wow at one point. He escaped and hitchhiked back to Marysville while still wearing his hospital. Uniform can you imagine who picked him up was the fucking wasn't even the seventies though. It was like the sixties. Yeah he went crazy totally. Yeah it. While he was in the army he went awol from the army and when he was captured they put him in a jail cell and he stripped naked in his cell waited for the police to come in and win. An officer came in. He punched him in the face through the bars. He was known to be violent and he was also known to Attack Women. He actually yeah. He attacked his cousin's wife because he wanted to kiss so his cousin walked in on Gerry. On top of his cousin's wife trying to kiss her against her will assaulting her. Yeah essentially well. At one point he moved to Oregon and stopped complete contact with his parents and then showed up on their doorstep a year later in shambles claiming he walked from Oregon to Marysville. That's a long walk. That's a long walk goodness so clearly. He needed real help with his mental illness. Yes and he was. He did get some help. I think through Probably the program that all the boys were involved in. I'm not sure it's the program has been dismantled sent so I couldn't really call anyone and ask questions. About how they you know hell or if they if they offered those kinds of services but gary did have access to meds and he chose to go on and off his meds. That's not all right so I got from the article That the prevailing theory from the article that I read was that Gary Matthias most likely had something to do with the disappearance however. I have my own theory about that. I feel like the history on Gary. He went on and off his meds. I think from then nineteen seventy eight until now or even a decade after he would have popped up at some point he would have been off his meds if he you know drew these guys with his escape plan for whatever reason he lured these guys to the forest took off on his own He would need access to meds at some point. And if he didn't have access to meds he would have popped up in the criminal system he would have been arrested again for somehow to life of violence Different situations where he had been in and out of trouble he would definitely bid on somebody's radar by now and he also was a I don't know at the time of the disappearance but he was unknown psychedelic drug user at. That's another reason. He was discharged from the army along with psych reasons. But he did Had Heavy psychedelic drug use while he was in the army so that was like there is a multi multiple reasons where he was discharged. One was psych. He was diagnosed paranoid. Schizophrenic And then one was. He had failed drug tapped on a drug test. Yes okay well. I think he would have popped up. I agree with you with by saying that he would have popped up by now too if he were still living. I think that somebody would have found him. I don't think that he had the the no the knowledge or the means Tuesday hidden for this long. I agree with that and his poor family. The only one that's not found. Well I don't know what's worse. Funny you should mention the family because sometime after the disappearance unsolved mysteries actually contacted the family of these men and Ted's family bills family. Both Jack's family Both Jack Hewitt and Jack macdougall all of them green lit the project and said we want to do it. It was actually Gary family was the only one who refused to do it so they never ended up making an episode because they wouldn't didn't WanNA participate and they've consistently not spoken to the media about it so the community and also the journalist for this the author of this article. Kind of insinuated okay. That's that's a little weird. You have a missing family member out there. Are they hiding something? Do they know that he's out there? And they you know are hiding him or I don't know so it's just you know there's other theories like there was a theory that a town bully someone who was a bully that saw them at the basketball game. Chase them up that mountain to kind of bully them. And then you know they kinda succumb to the elements matter theory. Seems a little much to me? I I don't know I guess the only way that Gary could still be out there is if a family member was harboring him but that seems like a pretty unlikely scenario in my opinion need access to medication. Yes and You know even if they still live in the same community that would be nearly impossible to hide somebody right especially automatic city known he by the law enforcement and members of the community It's really hard to hide in a small town. Yeah but you grew up in another angle. Is that wasn't a malicious intent. But Gary served a during Vietnam so it is very possible that he had combat experience and maybe he was not only suffering from paranoid schizophrenia also. Ptsd so it could be that. He got in a situation where he was stressed for. Whatever reason may be on the way back? And he led men in a state of confusion. Led them up this mountain. And you know they succumb to the elements totally without militias intent. I think it's understandable that Gary's family didn't want to be involved in the unsolved mysteries project because he was the only one not found and he also did have a kind of tumultuous background. I think that they probably felt that their son would be maligned in someway right. I mean yes but For me personally I feel like that would be all the more reason to speak out and say you know Gary was turning his life around. He really loved this group of boys. He was working. He was in a band he he wouldn't have done this. We WanNA find it. Just never know how the media is going to portray your person. Yeah that's true. That's very true. And maybe they also didn't want everybody to know about mental illness. Maybe it wasn't maybe it was known in his circle but maybe not widely known. Yeah people were different about that sort of thing back. Then I mean people weren't open about it like they are now I mean and then there's that theory they're not really theory but the you know I don't know how reliable the guy that had the heart attack was but said he saw a woman with a baby. I mean what if there was a woman with a baby pulled over to help somebody and it was a. It was a trap who was a trap. Yeah and they brought out. So that's a likely scenario but it still doesn't answer why they were there in the first place. That is what we are. Walking Away with is why were they. Even there in the first place and nobody has any idea. Nobody has any idea. And it's been forty two years to the day that's just so weird and strange strange case yes. I just want to know why they went there. We'll never know well never no. I don't think that's a question you can ask the one. You're one question. When you meet your maker I will what happened to the Yuba county five all asked that one you ask about Jon Benet okay. Medio Champigny okay. I would either do Jon. Benet or Madeleine McCain oh man ads and other who are going to have to get a third friend in here so we get all these answered. We definitely are going to have to start campaigning for questions to ask. Yeah so that is strange and bizarre and berry frustrating case of the Yuba county five. You did a fantastic job. Thank you just want to say not? This story didn't get a lot of coverage I mean it did at the time it went locally and it kind of blew up and went. Maybe internationally maybe not. I'm not sure I can find any article. Yeah but you have to think Ted Bundy was going on Roman Polanski so I think unfortunately may because they were a marginalized group. They got overshadowed by serial killer bigger true crime stories. Pick a day in the seventies and there was a serial killer active. I think actually this time. The golden state killer might have been operating to which is also northern California. So I think it. Unfortunately because these men probably came from a small town and they were marginalized group of people that they were overlooked. Maybe it could have drummed up any leads. But I don't know within part of me thinks like what a coincidence that guy was up there on that hill hundred and fifty feet away from the car and he had nothing to do with it. Checking a campground in the dark. Yeah so but he did actually have a heart attack. So it's like all right I. Maybe he did scare them. Maybe I don't know what state they were in. Nobody knows what state they were in. Maybe they were freaked out. Maybe they did. Maybe there was a woman and a baby. I don't know maybe they just wanted to go on an adventure and they were following a map just to see where they would end diaby. They miss read one of the maps. Mrs Awful to think that all this tragedy could have just come from taking one wrong turn. Yeah that's an awful thought or looking at a wrong map. Yeah Yeah it's just. It's it's extremely a bizarre. I'M GONNA post the map. Yes On her instagram. I'll post pictures of the men and all post a of kind of where Chico is. Where Marysville is their car was found and where they were they at least Ted and Jack made it nineteen almost twenty miles to the outpost in the snow uphill both ways so crazy. It's wild. It is wild so I don't know. Let us know your theory. What's your theory? Yeah do you have an opinion on this case after listening or had you heard about it before you have a theory? Yeah it's a fascinating case. Yeah get sent and I guess there's no wrong answers at this point right know unless we ever find the truth. It's it's pretty open ended anything. Anything could have happened. Anything that led them to that. It could have been anything that lead them there. I think that's a pretty good place to leave it open for you listeners. Send US your theories. Does your theory. We always post on new episode post on Instagram. So you can always comment there. You could send US An e. Mail have weird at gmail.com tennis. Dm slide into our DM's feel free or find us on twitter. You could leave your theories on twitter. We love to hear from you. Because you know there's a million and went theories out there could be anything could be allience could be bigfoot. Could BE ANYTHING IT COULD BE? But I don't think it is because I because I think that big aliens would be kinder yen ever now all right. I hope you guys enjoyed the story this case today. I for one am a fan of disappearances because I just want the want to answer that age old question. Where are they where why? Why did this happen? And that's why they drive me crazy. Yeah ends thank you so much for listening everybody. We really really appreciate it. We really do. We love doing this and we hope you love listening. So on that note. Remember as we carry on with this week. Don't forget to hydrate meditate and masturbate cheers cheers to that.

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S04 Episode 7: Called to the Forest (Pt. 2 of 2)

Unexplained

31:07 min | 1 year ago

S04 Episode 7: Called to the Forest (Pt. 2 of 2)

"This is unexplained. And you're listening to the second final installment of season. Full episodes seven cold to the forest. Of scaring everywhere within a five mile radius of the abandoned. Mercury montego. The Yuba county sheriff's office had found nothing. By the end of the day. However, they would have their first significantly. It came from a man named Joseph showns. Around five fifty pm on Friday, February twenty four the night to five men went missing shuns was making his way into plumas national forest along the aura Ville two Quincy road fifty five year old shuns had been checking to see if the road would be accessible for a trip. He planned to take that weekend when his votes Balkan bug got suddenly stuck in the snow after trying unsuccessfully to push out shuns felt a painful tightening in his chest. And immediately got back inside the vehicle to catch his breath. Unbeknownst to him at the time. He had suffered mild heart today. Being in such discomfort. He decided his best hope is to keep the engine running and try to stay warm until it passed. Or until someone else came by who could help. Drifting in and out of consciousness as the pain in his chest. Intensified? It was about to living thirty PM when shown was startled awake. By what he took to be two sets of headlights driving in from behind him one belonging to a car and the other two a pickup truck. My now unable to move. He could only watch desperation is the light passed him by and disappeared around the next bend. Thirty minutes later after hearing what he thought would people whistling nearby, showings, gathered the strength to investigate. Stumbling along the Dr he followed what he now to be voices until he came across a car seemingly parked up by the road and a number of silhouetted figures moving about in front of its headlights. Later described one of them as possibly being a woman who is carrying a baby with all the other figures being men. Jones called out for help talking ceased immediately. Moments later, the headlights switched off. Plunged into compete darkness. Shone angrily called out again the help but got no response. Suddenly feeling a little exposed swifty turned around and headed back to his car. A short time later he called science to Bhatia seemed to be the beams of flashlights. Moving about in the forest around him calling out once more for help. He could only watch and desperation as one by one. The beams of light was switched off in response when shown its engine eventually cut out at four AM he had little choice, but destroy count for the nearest inhabited place that he could find. Remembering the vehicle he had seen from the night before he decided first to check if it was still there. Sure, not just where it had been the night before he found what he could see then was a turquoise, but Curie Montego, but no sign of its previous occupants anyway. Despite suffering from a heart attack time Joseph shown, eventually will five miles to a nearby lodge house from where he was laid to take an home whites manager. When explaining to the police later, although there was little doubt. He had seen the abandoned car Shawn's cautioned that since he wasn't entirely lucid at the time. Not everything he thought he had seen could be trusted. The way it was certainly something to go on. What's more fifty five year old, man? Suffering a heart attack was able to walk five miles down the road to safety was reason to hope that the five men from Yuba county, Bill Stirling Chakma Druba. Check Hewitt, Ted. We her and Gary Matthias could have done the same. Provided. They were indeed the men that shown at scene. Undersheriff check Beecham received another break shortly after when a print dusting of the car revealed. No other marks inside apart. From those belonging to the missing men, though. It wasn't conclusive. It seemed to suggest at least that the car, but not been stolen. By the end of that first day nine inches of snow fell across the plumas national forest region further complicating the search buoyed by Shawn's witness statement. However, the various local sheriff's departments expanded their search to his forest bucks lake some twenty miles up the road from where the car was found. Having discovered that Bill. Sterling's family owned a cabin near the lake. There was a chance that the men might have tried to reach it. But again, no footprints clothing or any other sign of them could be found. Back in the Yuba city area. The families of the missing tripled by worry continued to wait helplessly for any sign of their sons and brothers. With the please continuing to juror blank. Some of the parents suggested contacting psychic in the expectation, even if they couldn't give them any clues, it might least give them some hope. Dr Gloria Daniel was a member of the church of Saudi an organization claimed to teach its members how to become psyche. Although Daniel knock come officially recommended by the Yuba county police it said that she had successfully helped them with similar cases in the past. On the morning of Friday, March third a handful of family members gathered together with Dr Daniel and watched expectantly as she ran her hands through a series of clothes belonging to the missing men, then she sat back and closed. Her eyes. After a short pause with the relatives. -rupt silence. Daniel began to speak. She could see people gathered together in a bluer cabin in a wooded hilly area somewhere near body of water. She said. And something else a small detail. A row of men talked into what looked like green sets of Kansas sleeping bags perhaps. She thought. So they're still alive asked one of the relatives. Hopefully. Dr Daniel hesitated, then opened horizons. I'm afraid that is all I can tell you. She said. By Saturday much fourth as the search entered its second week, the Butte and plumas county sheriff's began to question the merits of continuing with the recent storms showing no sign of letting up and the snow continuing to fall heavily. They decided to pull back their resources. For under sheriff, Jack Beecham who was supervising the entire search and his superior sheriff grant. However, it was no question of cooling off anytime soon. Got only to the men's lives. Depend on it. But the entire reputation of the Yuba county. Police department was resting on it too. It was only the year before that then under sheriff Lloyd thinly was arrested on charges of corruption having been accused of stealing weapons money and other valuable articles from the county evidence room, the DA who had prosecuted him believed crimes were merely symptomatic of a corrupt undercurrent in local police practices which had been left on challenged for too long. The case had been dragging on for almost a year by now looking increasingly likely that Finley was indeed guilty. Finding the five missing man alive was the perfect opportunity to win back the communities trusts. For under sheriff Beecham who had been drafted in to replace Lloyd Finley and sheriff grant facing reelection later that year the personal stakes could barely have been any higher. At the beginning of that second week, having put posters up of the missing men all across the Uber and Sutter area and with reports their disappearance daily feature in the local news the pair finally had another lead to follow up. Carol wolves was the owner of local store in Brownsville. Another foothill town of the Sierra, Nevada, just south of Oroville. Waltz had been working on Saturday February twenty fifth the day after the men had lost been seen. When two men matching the descriptions of Jack Hewitt, and Gary Matthias came into stool. The pair was said to board a variety of snack foods before heading back outside to eat. A second witness also called that same day claiming to have seen at least four of the men at the same stool the day after. Two of them who she took to be Bill sterling and Ted we're with sitting in a red pickup truck while to others who she assumed to be Jack Madrid, and Jack you it was seen at a telephone booth nearby. Having previously focused their search to no avail on the immediate vicinity of the abandoned car Beecham now feared that he had missed a trick. Response to the possible sighting in Brownsville, he probably split the investigation into four parts. With the mountain. Search till continuing one unit was instructed to go back over all the evidence. They had tracing the men's movement up to the night that they disappeared. Another would focus on reinterviewing, the family and friends while the fourth focused its energies and trying to locate anymore. Witnesses from Brownsville. Of immediate interest was the description of the pickup truck now mentioned by two separate witnesses. A short time later one friend of Gary Matthias suits suggested he might have taken them in to visit friends in nearby Forbes town, but when the police contacted them they claimed not to have heard from Gary for months. The fund set up by the desperate families. Any vital information raised almost three and a half thousand dollars but failed to yield any significant leads. On and on the exhaustive. Search continued entering a third and then fourth week, but still the men could not be found. The police also failed to find any trace the apparent pickup truck. On March twenty first nineteen seventy eight Undersheriff Beecham had no choice, but to make the painful decision to call off the search. After hundreds of hours having used almost one hundred personnel sniffer dogs, helicopters and snowmobiles the five friends who had supposedly left home merely to what game of basketball had completely vanished off the face of the earth. with the search having wound down one deputy was put in place of collecting any further information that might come to light having gone to Marysville high school with Ted we and his brothers deputy lawns as had been affected by the men's disappearance, perhaps more than most. Taking it to his personal mission to bring closure to the families in whatever shape that may take for the next few months as spiritedly followed up on each and every piece of information that came in from apparent sightings of the men in Sacramento to his followers on taro and Tampa in Florida. He chased them all to no avail. When one local psychic claimed that the men had been murdered in Oroville in a two story house numbered either four seven to three or four seven five three as spent two days driving, the streets any sign of it. But no such house existed. On some nights deputy as dreaming that he had found them would find himself walking toward them with open arms. Only to wake up alone in the cold darkness of his bedroom. His arms still outstretched before him. By the end of may, even the families had begun to lose hope of ever finding out what had happened to their children. But high up on the mountain the snow was steadily beginning to thaw and soon it would be time to begin letting up some of its secrets. On the often noon of June fourth three bikers went for a week and ride through plumas forest. Heading along the Oroville to Quincy road, they decided to take a turn eastwards onto one of the narrow forest roads headed higher up into the mountain. A short time later the group pulled into the Daniels sink campground located about three miles deeper into the forest off the main road the bikers pulled over a made their way to a large forest service cabin at the back of the site hoping to find a map of the local area. Approaching the building having just noticed a window that had been smashed in the writers were hit by a sweet putrid stench coming from inside. Coming in to investigate further the bikers soon located the source of the smell. They're stretched out on the campaign before them lying on the multiple layers of darkly stained sheets, they could clearly see the outline of a steadily decomposing body. When the call came into the Yuba county sheriff's office later that day Undersheriff Beecham grabbed his hat a made his way to the nearest patrol car. Arriving to find forensics. And deputies from the plumas county sheriff's office already there beach him could tell by the look on their faces that they had found one of them covering his nose from the stench beach him made his way into the cabin and approached the body. With the sheets now rolled back. He could see the Macy's. It'd figure lying underneath the way. The cool joy trousers had been brought up to reveal clear signs of gangrene on the legs. Next to it on a side table, les Brown wallet, a beat necklace and a ring. Beach him picked it up and examined the grazing on the inside which read simply Ted. The body would later be formally identified as staff thirty two year old Ted. We are last seen alive almost one hundred days before. The pathologist ruled the cause of his death to be the result of a pulmonary Dima. Brought on by exposure having survived for up to six weeks after I ca missing. To get to the cabin. We would have to have tracked almost twenty miles up hill in minus temperatures through six foot snowdrifts in the middle of the night. The shirt and corduroy trousers found on his body. The only clothes he had been wearing. What's more it most likely being sheltering in the cabin alive and reasonably well throughout the entirety. The original search. But Beecham couldn't understand it. Curse. We look around the service cabin revealed. Thirty one cans of food that have been taken from a storage locker and eaten but an entire other lockers were that had been left untouched. Propane gas linked to a heating system was also discovered as well as stones into batches. But also books and furniture that could easily have been used as fuel for a fire. Not if it had been utilized. And then the what the missing shoes. We had been wearing a pair of sturdy leather shoes the night, he went missing. But when they found his body his shoes gone. They did however find another pair of shoes left in the cabin a pair of tennis shoes the tat Bologne to Gary Mathias. Recently burned out candle suggested that perhaps someone else had also been there too long after we're died. But had since. Kiwi. Co creates cool hands on projects for kids that make learning about steam fun with a Kiwi co subscription each month, the kid in your life or receive a fun engaging new project, which will help develop their creativity and confidence every crate includes all the supplies needed for that month project detailed easy to follow instructions and an educational magazine to learn even more about that crates theme Kiwi coat inspires kids to see themselves as makers tinkerers and on a mission to empower kids not just to make a project but to make a difference. Kiwi code is offering unexplained listeners the chance to try them for free to redeem this offer and learn more about their projects for kids of all ages. Visit Kiwi co dot com slash unexplained podcast. That's K. I w icy dot com slash unexplained podcast. Discovery we as body prompted an immediate response from the plumas Yuba county police reconvening the search. They had called off three months previously. Two days later, tracing likely lines from the service cabin back to where the Montego had been abandoned officers soon uncovered another body or what was left of it. It was found roughly halfway between the cabin and the abandoned car lying face up next to a small stream the face and extremities had been eaten away by forest animals sometime after death. Car keys found in the trouser pockets revealed it to be the body of thirty rolled Jack Madrid. Later that day not far from Drew's body. More human bones were discovered scattered across an area of roughly fifty feet. It was all that was left of twenty nine year old Bill, sterling. That those three had now been discovered was understandably devastating for the relevant families but equally so those Gary Matthias and Jack Hewitt. With neither having been heard from over one hundred days in all likelihood they hadn't made it out of the forest alive. Either. Leaving it to be only a matter of time before the others would be found skulls volunteers joined the police to help speed up the search. On the morning of June, the eight Jack Hewitt's father also named Jack arrived to help. Deputy lawns as good been entrusted with the case after the initial search. It'd been ended did his best to discourage him from joining in. But Jack without be dissuaded. A few hours later searching an area roughly five miles from the cabin where we had been found. Jack spotty something out of place in the undergrowth. It was a faded Levi's denim jacket. He immediately recognized it as sons. When he picked up from the ground, a human spine fell out of it. Jack recoiled in horror as police quickly gathered around to take it from him. Hewitt skull was found a further one hundred yards down the hill. Barely a quarter of a mile away. Investigators also found three blankets and flashlights which had likely being taken from the service cabin. But no matter how hard they looked they found. No sign of Gary Mathias. After two further weeks Undersheriff Jack Beecham called off the search for a second time. The bodies were rather remains of the four men that so far being found had been placed into green canvas bags after all Justice supposed psychic Dr Daniel at apparently seen only they weren't sleeping bags, but bodybags? Bill Stelling Jack Madrid and Jack Hewitt's deaths were found to being the result of hypothermia with no apparent signs of foul play. That their bones and body were in the state that they were was merely to been down to the animals that got to them after they died. All the twist left for Beecham was to try and piece together. Exactly what happened and he knew just where to stop. Beach him had his doubts about the twenty five year old Gary Mathias from the beginning where the others had intellectual disabilities of one form or another Matthias had no such thing. Early on in the investigation beach him learned from thises family the involvement with the gateway project and how he met the others in the first place was due to his struggles with schizophrenia. What beach also discovered however was that his history was a little more complicated than that. Matthias had in fact, been in and out of psychiatric hospitals since the age of fifteen I being committed after seemingly having suffered an adverse reaction from taking hallucinogenic drugs. After being drafted into the army at the age of eighteen despite his clear medical records Matthias said to have suffered another psychiatric breakdown as the result of his continued drug use. At one point was arrested after going AWOL. While waiting in his cell. He demanded to speak to the officers on duty only to attack them when they opened his duel with aureus had stripped completely naked before carrying out the attack. Around the same time nineteen year old Thias now living back home in olive. I went to visit his cousin at some point in the night. Matthias was discovered sexually assaulting his cousins. Why while she slept? After being charged with assaulting a police officer and intend to rate with us was facing up to twelve years in prison, but Venturi accepted a plea deal and served only eight months. After his release with his behavior became the more Radic. With his drug use escalating, he found himself increasingly on the wrong side of the law. The were a number of bar fights as well as complaints of disturbing. The peace. One time, but Thia is even said to have turned up high at the house of a couple of new telling them he was going to stab woman in the jaw. Two subsequent attempts to have him committed ended in failure. When Matthias managed to escape on one account by crawling out of a storm, drain. Nine hundred seventy five Gary Matthias, enrolled did Yuba college but struggled with both its conventions and fitting in with other students eventually moved out to Oregon in Washington state to live with his grandmother only to turn up at his mother and stepfather's house weeks later tired to Sheffield he had apparently walked the five hundred forty mile journey home eating food. He found along the way to stay alive. All of which for Beecham made Matthias not only a potential candidate for the merger of the other men, or at least to have led them stray. But also one who might even have been capable of getting out of the forest alive. The Gary Mathias has never been found only serves to heighten this theory. It has also been speculated that at least Thias and possibly Jack Hewitt at made it to the service cabin with Ted. We're only to leave soon after with Matthias being the one most likely to have taken with shoes. Unless Gary Matthias is found to have survived after all it is unlikely there will ever be an answer as to what exactly happened on that mysterious night in February nineteen seventy eight. Why five men found themselves driving high up into the Sierra Nevada mountains, seventy miles in the wrong direction? Why having gone his forest? They could demand then seemingly abandoned their car and undertook treacherous journey through thick forest and six foot snowdrifts reaching the higher into the mountains. Only to find death waiting for them at the end of it. Much has been made about the men's intellectual capacities suggesting this may have been a significant factor in what could have been little more than a horrifically wrong. Turn. Some have suggested this might also account for why those who made it to the forest service cabin didn't eat the food and engage the heating apparatus to survive. Others suggests that you to their innocent with such things a worried that they were breaking the law made them to afraid to do. So. As for Gary Matthias despite Undersheriff Beecham's reservations in the time leading up to his disappearance. He appeared to have turned his life around. Not only was he holding down a steady job. But having finally been treated properly for his schizophrenia of which most of his Radic behavior was likely just a symptom. He hadn't suffered any negative effects from it for over two years. Once lost in the forest. However, we can only speculate are quickly he may have deteriorated without his medication. Certainly for Gary, mother and stepfather. There's wasn't especially difficult anguish. Not only did they never get closure. But in the absence of it. They were also forced to endure the inevitable suspicions the two rose once carries past came to the attention of the public. Like, many of the other parents Gary's mother and stepfather had also joined in with the search for the missing men, his stepfather Robert spent most of his time hunting for Gary's distinctive Vic black rimmed glasses reasoning. The tip a bear had taken him. It would have at least left bones uneaten. In all the time spent waiting for news of her son's whereabouts. Gary's mother Ida refused to turn on television to afraid of what she might find out. But no news as a came. She would spend the rest of her life looking for him. I'd like to thank Brian vans in New York for bringing this extraordinary story to my attention. If you enjoy listening to explain and would like to help support you can now go unexplained podcasts dot com forward slash support. All donations. No matter how large or small a massively. Appreciate. All elements of unexplained produced by me. 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MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: The Yuba County Five

Crime Junkie

1:01:30 hr | 8 months ago

MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: The Yuba County Five

"A Florida police diver determined to escape her family's notorious history of drug smuggling and treasure. Hunting is the target of deadly conspiracy. That brings old secrets to the surface. Now she must put her faith in an unlikely ally in order to expose the truth before her enemies can pull her under Wall Street Journal bestselling author Andrew Main returns with adventurous new thriller. Read the girl beneath the sea today at Amazon Dot com slash the girl beneath the sea. Podcast high junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers and I'm Brett and so excited to tell you today's story because it's truly one of the most baffling unsolved mysteries. I've ever come across. I mean last month on my other. Show supernatural with Ashley Flowers. I told all of you. The story of a group of nine Russian hikers who died under very mysterious circumstances back in nineteen fifty nine that well known story is referred to as the love pass incident and today's story is not much different. This is the story of five men who set out together to watch a college basketball game in Chico. California back in nineteen seventy eight but instead of coming home as plan they drove seventy miles in the wrong direction. North into snowy mountains and then vanished. This is the mysterious case of the Yuba County. Five imaging wear woke up with a start at about five. Am on February twenty. Fifth Nineteen Seventy eight. She didn't know why but she just had a bad feeling when she'd gone to bed the night before her son. Ted Wasn't yet home for the night he'd gone to a basketball game in Chico. California with a few friends. It was about an hour away from their home in. Yuba city but she expected him back from the fifty mile. Drive around eleven. I mean maybe midnight at the latest if they decided to stop for a bite to eat or whatever on their way home she knows the only way to calm her nerves is to make sure that Ted is home and in bed where he should be but when she gets to his room she sees that the bed is empty in a low key panic at this point she decided to call Juanita Sterling whose son Bill had gone to the same game with Ted. The night before need tells imaging that her son didn't come home either and that she's actually been up since two worried sick she's already called. Jackman. Drew his mother Melba. Who said the same thing? No sign of her son Jack. Either imaging hangs up and calls Jackie. Hewitt's mother and Jackie's mom says the same thing no Jackie Imaging Center daughter-in-law down the street to talk to the stepfather of the last boy. Gary Matthias by the time the Sun was coming up. It was clear that all five boys were missing. Imaging tries to relax but relaxing is impossible. She knows in her gut. Something is very wrong and she knows that for two reasons burst her son. Ted was scheduled to play in a basketball tournament later that day. Saturday the twenty fifth and to say that he was pumped. It'd be a huge understatement. He laid out his clothes washed shoes and even talking nonstop about this big game winning. It would get his team a week long trip to Los Angeles. He would not miss that game or anything and imaging nuit now. The second reason she knew something was wrong is because Ted's life was very scheduled and very predictable. She knew that he would not had not would never just randomly stay out all night. Ted Always came home and Jackie Jack. Bill and Gary were no different now. I need to stop here and tell you one important thing about these five boys. They're often referred to as both ways but I mean they're not really boys yes like. How old are they? Well for starters. The youngest was twenty four and the oldest was thirty two but their parents and families and the people in their community always referred to them as boys because all five men had intellectual disabilities of some kind. They were all enrolled in this day program for adults their basketball team gateway gators is actually part of that program and all five of them lived at home with their families now physically. They were all healthy very capable and while none of them lived independently most of them function at a relatively high level imaging son. Ted was thirty two and the oldest of the group. He worked for a while as a janitor and as a clerk at a snack bar but at the time of our story he didn't currently have a job. Ted had a heart of gold and he loved to make new friends. He's kind of describe law as childlike. For example Cynthia Gorny wrote a piece for the Washington Post back in nineteen seventy eight and she says that Ted would wave to strangers and he was literally be heartbroken for hours. If they didn't back now. Ted was closest to the youngest of the group twenty four year. Old Jackie Jackie was the most severely disabled of the five. He spent most of his childhood actually in the Napa State Hospital which back then was called the Napa insane asylum. He couldn't read or write or even dial a telephone and he relied a lot on his mother and also his bff Ted now. Jackie was really shy and didn't like being away from home for very long. Definitely not overnight which is why his parents were so worried about him. The Third Man Jack Madrid Aug was thirty and while he to lived at home he was pretty independent. He graduated high school and it spent two years in the army but was said to have had a low. I Q he was one of the only ones in the group that had a driver's license and he had this like nineteen sixty seven turquoise and white mercury. Montego that he was like so proud. I mean God I love his pride and joy and it's actually the car that took the boys to the game and Chico that night now. Jack's closest friend in the group was twenty nine year old bill stirling who left his house that night with fifteen dollars and four different maps of the California area now. Bill had worked for awhile dishwasher but his mother insisted he quit when she found out people were getting him drunk stealing his money at work. They were really taking advantage of him now. Finally the final guy we have in this group is Gary Matthias. He was twenty five years old and a bit of an outlier in this group of guys because he worked for his father's gardening business and before that he'd been in the army like Jack but he was medically discharged due to a psychiatric issue. Unlike the other guys he didn't actually have an intellectual disability at all. He was actually diagnosed with schizophrenia. Had been stable for the last two years. No one is really sure how or why Gary got involved with the gateway projects but he loved it especially their basketball team the gators and he really enjoyed hanging out with the rest of the guys so anyways these are the boys that were talking about these young men. Ted Jackie Jack Bill and Gary and they're all missing. Saturday comes and goes with no word from the boys so finally at eight that evening their parents decide to call the police right away. The sheriff's department puts out an alert asking for the public's help locating these five guys. Big Give a description of Jack's Mercury Montego along with the license plate number but they don't launch into their search right away according to a Sacramento Bee article from nineteen. Seventy eight at this point. They're kind of just watching. I mean remember. These are grown men and while there folks say that it's out of character for them not to come home like the police are a little bit skeptical right but they're alert is an out long when information starts rolling in. They're able to confirm that the guys went to the game in Chico and as a bonus their team actually won. The last known sighting was at a convenience store and she go after the game. This is like just before ten o'clock that night according to the clerk and the clerk says it was memorable because ten. Pm was closing time and the Cork was a little bit annoyed. That these five guys were pulling in right at the end of the night. You know. You're getting ready. Your closing up and the clerk says they buy a bunch of like junky snacks. Candy bars chips that kind of thing and then they left. That's it police. Get another call from a woman who says she saw the guys on Saturday or Sunday. But here's the thing that's interesting. She says that when she saw them they were in a red pickup truck. She said two of them came in to buy food at her store while one went to a phone booth to make a call and the other two state in the truck. But here's the thing I mean beyond this mystery red truck that they're seen in the store that she runs his way up north and like way off the course the boys would have taken to get home from that basketball game so initially police kind or rule out this citing thinking that it's probably not there guys but just then they get a call from dining joe and joe says hey. I think I saw those guys that you're looking for on Friday night. I was driving up this gravel road toward my cabin in the mountains and my car got stuck in the snow and I get out and I'm trying to push it free and in all of this I start having a heart attack. Joe Goes on to tell police that he gets back inside his car with the engine running and the heat on and after a few hours like this sometime between like eleven. Pm and midnight. He says that he starts to hear a whistling sound. So Joe gets out of his car. He looks down the road back behind him down the mountain and about one hundred and fifty feet away. He sees headlights. And what looks like a group of men along with a woman holding a baby? He says they're all outside the car and he can see them in. The glow of Car's headlights now. Joe was so happy to finally see people. I mean he needed help. Get my God. This guy just had a heart attack so he goes running out of his car tries to flag them down but he says that when he called out to the group the headlights turned off. And all the noises stopped. But that's not the end of his story. He tells police that some time later he again sees lights out his car window not headlights. This time but flashlight beams. He calls out again for help but as soon as he does the lights. Go Out Again. And whoever was out there goes away? Police are understandably pretty skeptical about this whole story and honestly they don't really know what to make of it. They wonder if maybe this guy was seeing things or hearing things or I mean both I mean he did just have a heart attack us in the middle of nowhere on a mountain road alone the dead of night I mean. What are the chances that he'd come across a group of men and a woman holding a baby? It just didn't seem logical but Joe tells them that when his car finally ran out of gas after running for hours and hours he gave up on being rescued and decided to take his chances and walk down the mountain for help now along the way in the place where he had heard the voices. He passed an empty car. It was stuck in snow just sitting there in the middle of the road. Police asked him to elaborate on the car and when he does all skepticism washes away. Today's episode was brought to you by Brooklyn so there are few things I enjoy more than sleeping in. 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It's about two and a half hours from Yuba city and two hours from Chico. And actually you know what it's easier just show you here. Take a look at this map. I just sent. Okay Yeah so the three points we've been talking about it kind of makes a V. Shape Chico is on the top left Yuba city is at the bottom and plumas. National Park is way over the top right exactly so the forest ranger who found Jax Kar found it in the middle of this like rarely used unpaid road that runs straight up into the Sierra Nevada. Mountains that top right point on the map. You're talking about now. According to an article I read on strange outdoors. The car was at elevation about forty five hundred feet just at the snow line. Meaning ANYTHING BEYOND. This has snow year round. And we're not talking about like a light dusting of snow. It snowed a lot six to eight feet of snow. And it's not like they would have to go through to get home like there's no reason for them to even be. Anna's area no I mean it's not even remotely on the way she go to. Yuba city is a straight and it's about an hour on the highway. It's mostly flat. There's no snow definitely no mountains and wasn't just a scenic detour either. This is over two hours of driving in the wrong direction. And what I can't get over is I mean we've already established it's not like he was on their way home but this isn't even on the way to anything. It's literally in the middle of nowhere but it is the same middle of nowhere road that Joe had been on the night that he got stuck in the snow and had that heart attack. The car was in the same place that Joe said. He had seen it when he tried to walk down there to get help. And it's right where he said it was and it's right where he said that he'd seen people men and a woman holding a baby in the glow of the car's headlights. So this validates has story at this point. I mean investigators are thinking that it just might be true so investigators decide to head up the mountain and see for themselves hoping that the car and where it was found might help make some sense of Joe Story and hopefully point them in the direction of these five men when they get there. They find the car unlocked. The keys are missing. And there's just this mess of food wrappers and soda bottles and milk cartons on both the front and back seats remnants of their trip to that convenience store just after they left. Chico and the last known sighting of the men now when they get there. The car was stuck in the snow. When you're tires just kind of spin and can't catch the ground so it was stuck like that but it wasn't in a ditch or a big snow bank or anything and not so stuck that they couldn't have just pushed it out. I mean these were not small men. They were all like six feet tall or at least close to it and about two hundred pounds and there were five of them. Remember right they would have had that car unstuck in a hot minute but it looked like they didn't even try like there's no push marks. There's feeding the snow. There's no tire tracks it's stuck and they're not there when police check they see that there's a quarter tank of gas still in the car so the men hadn't run out of fuel because they can't find the keys. Police managed to hot wire. The car and it starts no problems so that rules out any kind of mechanical issues At first police. Initially that these guys must have somehow taken a wrong turn and got lost up there but then they find those four maps that one of the guys brought up there. One of the maps included the same area that the car was founded. All of the maps were neatly folded and left in the glove compartment. You even mentioned earlier that Jack specifically brought all of these maps for me. It's hard to believe that they weren't using them or think to use them if they had gotten lost in like they're clearly lost. The snow would have immediately tipped them off that like. Hey we're not home yet. We're not close to home. Yeah and that's what I thought too but you know it's hard to account for what kind of impact maybe their intellectual disabilities might have had on that kind of reasoning. We'll and again like I said they are using the maps. I didn't say that they weren't like they could be going there intentionally. And using the map to guide them. They're right right. That's totally an option and honestly them intentionally going up. There is kind of what police are thinking at this point but they just don't know why that road that they were on was not very well maintained. It was not used very much. And it's a pretty rough road. But here's the thing when they look at the underside of the car. They're expecting to see damage. I mean again. This is not a paved road. There are potholes. It's crazy but there's no damage underneath the car. Even the police and the forest service guys vehicle had some damage on the bottom of their car when they were on the way up there to like. Check this out okay. But what does that mean? I need to remind you we are not on your show supernatural. This is not like aliens. Drop this car you know if it I fully love good Ale in theory and you know that but the lack of damage just told the investigators that whoever drove the car up their new the road very well well enough to know where the bumps were the pot holes were and well enough that they could navigate the road pretty much perfectly in the dark so which one of them had connections. There had been familiar with the area. So that's thing I don't think any of them but especially not the guy driving the car. Jacks parents tell police that he didn't know the area at all. I mean he hated the cold too and they said that it would be super unlikely that he go up there. I himself or with people and even less likely that he let anyone else drive his car. So if Jack didn't know the road and none of the other five guys were driving. Who was now if there is good news about all of this for the families of the missing men. It's that police. See No signs of foul play the bad news though is that these see no signs of anything at or any one. Police start searching right away calling in help from the Forest Service who knew the area best even with experienced rangers guiding them through. It's tough going. I mean the terrain is rough like some areas are only accessible by horseback even bring in helicopters to search from above and dogs to work the ground men on foot ATV like. They're pulling out all the stops. These search the area for five days straight before a severe storm close in dumping nine inches of snow in the area. And what this does erases any tracks that the men have left behind the conditions are so bad that even the search team has some close calls in the drift. Some of which these drifts were getting like fifteen feet high when the search hits the ten day Mark Police No. There's almost no way that the men could have survived if they were somewhere in the forest not dressed like they were that night and not after all that snow but surely if they had succumbed to the elements than they would have been found during the search so police start to think. Maybe there's foul play involved here after all the kind of bad around theories based on what they found in and around. Jack's car would if someone else lead the guys to this mountain. Was there another driver? I mean that could explain why there was no damage to the car. Even the road was a mess. So the theory went something like this what? Fbi's well-meaning boys stopped to help another driver and they were somehow taken. Advantage of stressful situations would definitely cause the men's behavior to deteriorate. According to their families be might do things or make decisions. That don't necessarily make sense to us. So maybe that's what happened here. According to a two part series written by Benji ago and the Sacramento Bee about three weeks after the boys went missing a random. Yuba city woman named Debbie. Got A phone call. And when I say random. I mean literally random. This woman is not connected to the men or the investigation at all. She said that when she picked up the phone a man on the other end of the line said I know where the missing five men are and then just hung up now. Obviously everyone by this time in the area knows about these missing men. She called police to tell them about this right away. Well then the next day she gets another call from the same guy he says. I need help because I really hurt those guys back. She asked him. Who did you hurt? And he just said don't play dumb with me and hung up the phone the next day the phone rings or a third time. The same man tells Debbie those five guys are all jet and then he hung up and Debbie never heard from him again. It's just one of dozens of leads that Po police in hundreds of directions sightings come in from as far away as Tampa Florida Ontario Canada. But the closest thing they could get to a solid lead comes when they find out Gary. The one with schizophrenia had friends in Forbes town now Forbes town is about halfway between Chico and Yuba city and apparently the road to Forbes town is easy to miss and if you happen to miss it in the dark you could end up heading north toward the mountains and towards the Plumas National Park. So now they're thinking maybe the boys were planning to visit East Friends of Gary and maybe they missed that turn and ended up driving North into the mountains but when they tracked those friends down they say that they haven't seen or even heard from Gary in more than a year and they definitely were expecting him to come over that night eventually. Weeks turn into months and police start to get a little desperate. They consult some unconventional sources psychics. Even a water which her okay. That's a new one. What's a water. Witcher okay so from what? I found a water. Witcher's are like psychic esque. So usually you'll see them holding a y shaped piece of wood in their hands which they use to find groundwater or minerals like gold now this particular guy that they consulted said that he'd tuned his instrument to find traces of human remains. Are Police skeptical totally? But I mean at this point. I know it sounds bananas. But what have they got to lose so the water which are leads them to an empty cabin not far from where? Jax Kar had been abandoned. The find a gray cigarette lighter not far from the cabin but none of the boys carries a lighter. So police aren't even sure that it's really relevant. And then nothing really comes of that. Besides this random lighter by the time spring finally comes police and forest rangers have spent more than six thousand hours looking for Ted. Jackie Jack Bill and Gary. But it's then after months of the men being missing after six thousand hours of searching the snow finally starts to melt and they get a call. That changes everything. This episode was made possible by Nam Nam. A health company that makes fresh restaurant quality food for dogs and cats. If you guys know anything about me now it's two things. I'm obsessed with true crime cases and even more obsessed with my dog like doing extreme and I know I go over the top. But have you seen chuck? You can't blame me. 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Who's part of a small group of motorcyclists who were out for a Sunday ride in the Sierra Nevada mountains about twenty miles from where Jax Kar had been found? Now when they're on this ride. They happened to find a forest service trailer and they noticed that one window was broken. It and when they get close enough d-notice a horrible smell coming from inside inside. That cabin is a site. They will never forget shrouded in eight layers of betting. Is the emaciated body. A thirty two year old ted his pants or rolled up his knees his leg show signs of gangrene and he's missing by. Toews ALL LOSS TO FROSTBITE. And he's once two hundred pound body has shrunken to nearly half that size. He looks like he's between a hundred. Maybe a hundred and twenty pounds. Oh my God. Can I tell how long he had been there when he died? Won't win. Responders get out there. The pathologist makes a best guess that Ted had been in that cabin and alive between eight and thirteen weeks. And he outlined makes this estimation based on the growth of his word. He can't really get a super good grasp on an exact day or time of death due to the temperatures in that area so they can really only work off of a timeline of you know how his beard was growing in knowing that it's only growing he's alive so Ted's official cause of death was exposure but Brit. This is where the case goes totally sideways so he essential leap froze to death and starved to death. But there was a propane tank outside that could have provided heat to the trailer and they also found a bunch of things that could have been used to start a fire. Wood furniture paperback books but all of that sat untouched except for one candle which had been burned inside the cabin. Police find thirty one cans of food that had been opened and empty. Those cans came from a storage locker outside the cabin next to that storage locker but completely untouched was a second storage locker. That had enough food inside to last all five of the men an entire year but that locker was never opened and all of that food was completely untouched. So Ted froze to death in a cabin never having turned on the heat and he starved to death with food. All around him. O- okay but what about the other four guys? Were they also in the cabin know? Ted's body is the only one police find inside the cabin that day. But there are few signs that lead investigators to believe that he hadn't been there alone whole time. I remember you said that. Ted's body was shrouded in blankets when he was found. Yeah well the way that. The sheets were laid on top of his body suggested that someone else had put them there like layer by layer. Pretty carefully it just. It didn't look to them like he had just pulled him over himself. The second reason they think other people were there. Is that Gary's tennis shoes. Were inside the cabin. But there was no sign of Gerry. According to that nineteen seventy-eight article that I mentioned from the Washington Post. Police thought that maybe put on Ted shoes instead because Ted shoes were missing and Ted had bigger feet so the thinking was maybe if Gary suffered from that same frostbite that Ted had his feet would have been swollen so maybe bigger shoes were more comfortable for him. And that's why he took those but I mean even that's just really a guess and with no sign of dairy. It's impossible for them to know for sure right and that's also just one of the other four guys exactly now the last thing that makes them think other people were there at least at some point. Is those thirty one cans of food. That I mentioned now. Thirty one cans had been opened and police could tell that they had been opened using an army issued. Can opener call? Ap Thirty Eight and police are sure. That only Jack or Gary. Both of them who are army vets would have known how to use that. Okay so they're sure that at least one of those two guys had to have been there. Was there any other clues as to like how long they were there where they had gone tracks outside anything? There is nothing pointing to when they were there along. They were there or where they would have gone but as grim as it is finding heads body at least police have something I mean. This is at least a starting point for a new search. They get to work searching the surrounding areas hopeful but realistic about what they may discover and two days later on Tuesday June. Six about four and a half miles from the cabin. Police discovered the remains of both Jack and bill based on where their bodies were found. Police think they likely died before they ever reached the trailer like their bodies just gave up along the way less than five miles short and they died right there in the tracks and the rest of the group kept walking towards where they would eventually find the trailer now. Both of their bodies had been picked apart by animals and they're mostly bones at this point. Jack's bodies in a stream and police think he'd been dragged there by animals. I mean his body is somewhat intact like he still has a watch on his wrist and car still in his pants pocket and on the other side of the road police find bills remains which are nothing but bone just kind of scattered across the forest floor the Yuba county coroner is able to confirm Jack's caused as hypothermia and exposure but bills remains are so decomposed that they left no sign as to how he died though exposure would probably be a pretty good guess. I think now at this point Jackie and Gary are still the only two missing and Jackie's dad decides to join the team on the search now. Police plead with him not to come. I mean this is at this point. A recovery mission and. They're worried about what he might find in those woods but he ignores that as he searching. He's walking along the service road that runs to the trailer when he spots some of Jackie's close his jacket jeans and his shoes all in the same area now he runs over and picks up the jacket and when he is a spine falls out of police find Jackie's skull the next day about one hundred yards away now where he was found is sort of between the cabin and where Jack and bill were found the deep before now completely unrelated to his remains about a quarter mile away from the cabin in a totally different direction. The search team finds three will forest service blankets and a flashlight. Well there's still one guy unaccounted for is does that mean. That's Gary was sued. That's what they're thinking. There's one guy left Gary and this be pointing to which direction he wanted so the search team continues to comb through the area around the trailer looking for any signs of the fifth guy. Gary the also look hard in the area around where they found that flashlight and that blanket and police feel like they've gotta be close especially because according to an article from the load I knew sentinel. They said that there was a smell of decomposition in the area but they like couldn't pin it down but despite the blankets despite the flashlight despite finding the four other men. They don't find Gary in any of the places that they searched. Police continue searching the grounds around the trailer for weeks. The also send descriptions of Gary to psychiatric institutions in the area. I mean he hadn't taken medication with him that night to the basketball game. So they're thinking that if he's gone he's going to need them at some point in maybe he would contact one of those institutions but their efforts turn up nothing on June nineteenth. They finally give up their search. And that's it. Well that's kind of it at least in terms of the search for Gary but not in terms of the search for answers okay. There's one thing that's still really bugging me about this whole thing. Why didn't the police or forest service people or whoever think to look at the trailer from the very beginning like it? Seems like a huge oversight that cost? I mean at least one life well. There is some dispute about that. Now police say they didn't know that it was there when their search began and that's why they didn't attempt to find it but according to the forest service officials in an article from June nineteen seventy eight that was published in the Marysville Appeal Democrat. That article says that they did know it was there now. I don't know what's true whether they did or didn't know but you have to keep in mind that the trailer was. I mean like twenty miles from where they found Jacquard so I don't know that anyone including those experienced forest rangers. It might have been out of the radius. Yeah they would have never thought that these guys probably could have made it twenty miles and again. They were not dressed for that kind of hike. They were wearing sneakers. They didn't even bother to bring jackets. I mean frankly. It's astonishing that they made it at all and actually one of the officers who worked on the case back in seventy eight was quoted in the Democrat and chronicle saying that it would have taken them at least a full night and another day to get that far in those conditions and remember. I mean there is a crazy snowstorm. The night that they went missing so by the time police arrived at the car there would have been like a fresh blanket of snow that are raised any kind of sign of which way they went and why they would've left the car. I mean not only. Is this a huge distance from the car it honestly even seems improbable that they even found it. You know like without knowing exactly where it was. Oh totally I mean again. It was found by happenstance like these guys on a motorcycle. Riders happened to come by the trailer. They smell a decomposing body. Finest guy in there and then they notify police. I can't help but wonder had they never gone. There had no one ever gone back to that trailer. Would the boys just be still missing people so at this point police had nothing to go on? No idea why these guys would have been on the mountains in the first place indefinitely. No idea where they would have gone from there. And that's the big question in this case to this day. Why why were they on that mountain? Were they chased up there? Were they lead up there? Driven up there by someone else. Someone who had to have known the road and if so who and more importantly why did they abandon their car and run up hill twenty miles through deeper and deeper snowdrifts in a howling storm? What were they running from? What were those whistling? Sounds that the witness heard the night on the mountain. And why did Ted starved to death in a cabin full of food? Why didn't even try and start a fire? And who was in there with him and most of all the question that I can't stop asking is where is Gary. Police could never prove foul play in this case but they couldn't rule it out either and police along with the families of men who died had their hunches. An all of the hunches came back to one person. This episode was made possible by better help. Is there something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals? Let better help help you with better help you go from sign up to communicating with a professional counselor in under twenty four hours. The service is available worldwide. You can send messages to your counselor anytime. And it's more affordable than traditional offline counseling. Better help wants you to start living a happier life today. I mean it's more important than ever to keep our mental health front of mind. 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I mean they had major concerns about Gary even from the very beginning long before they all went missing like when he started hanging around with the other four to begin with and then their concerns only deeper as police found Ted and find Jack and then they find bill then they find Jackie but they never find gary as I mentioned the beginning of the story. His illness had been well managed for the last two years. But it hasn't always been that way you see. Gary had a history of volatile and sometimes violent behavior. His first visit to the psychiatric ward happened when he was in high school. His parents told investigators that he had a bad trip is how they put it. His time in. The army wasn't picture perfect either. He was using drugs the whole time. He was in Germany. He was getting himself into a lot of trouble and things didn't get better after he was discharged from the army. Either he continued to use drugs heavily and regularly and he would often fail to take his meds which would then make him lapse into psychosis and end up back at the hospital probably because of his mental illness. Gary also had a police record. He become violent on several occasions and was charged twice with assault. He broke into a home once. And the couple who owned the home woke to find him in their bedroom looking for a ring to return to Satan in the times when he was institutionalized he escaped from a psychiatric hospital not once not twice but three times in Benji Eagles piece for the Sacramento Bee. He writes about Jerry walking walking from Portland Oregon to you account. That's five hundred and forty miles. The story goes that he survived by stealing milk off a people's porches and eating dog food. So there's no question in polices mind or the minds of the family that Gary was a stronger personality than others. He was different than the others and potentially capable of surviving on his own on the run. Exactly so the theory around carries involvement isn't super clear and we don't even know that he was involved but police believe that something or someone lead those men out to the forest that night. They didn't just walk into a blizzard on their own without any evidence. Their families just speculated Ted sister-in-law wondered if maybe the boys sauce something at that basketball game in Chico or maybe in the parking lot something that they shouldn't have seen and maybe they didn't even realize it at the time but whatever it was it prompted someone to chase them all the way up that mountain. Jack's mother thought that someone else was involved too but she thought it was a third party. Someone who is able to somehow get the best of all five men. She said that some force led the men up the hill that night she was actually quoted in The Washington Post article. I mentioned saying quote. We know good and well somebody made them do it and quote but the question is who police could never prove that the men were chased or followed up the mountain by another vehicle but it could explain why they were so determined to keep going in that direction. Like Jake Rawson asked in a story. He wrote for mental floss. Why abandoned they're perfectly good car and run headlong into the winter wilderness. Unless what's behind you even more terrifying and that might make sense of a few of the other things. Police were never able to pin down. Like that grey cigarette lighter. They found outside the cabin that the water witcher them to or it could make sense of a gold watch that they actually found on the bedside table next. Tad's body a watch that didn't belong to Ted or any of the other guys. Could the watch the lighter how belonged to the same person and was that person holding the men in the trailer controlling? What the eight in which supplies they used. And is that Whitehead. And maybe even Jackie and Jerry to starve to death despite having access to tons of food. I mean I guess but the trailer was there for the force workers to use a for me. At least it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that the watch could have been one of their is. That had just gotten left behind less time than the trailer was used. Exactly I mean and the lighter could have belonged to a force workers. Well arranger a hiker. I mean it's not like no one ever went out there. People were out there on motorbikes in the area I mean that's how they found the trailer to begin with now. It's hard to prove that either of those things has anything to do with the Yuba county five and yet it's also impossible to prove that they don't have anything to do with it. So what do we know? What can we prove? The truth is not much. Police can only say for certain that one man even made it to the trailer. Tet- you was the only body found there but based on what they found in the trailer and around it and the position of the other bodies police think that at least three of them made at that night they think Ted. Jackie and Gary made it to the trailer the other two Jack and bill. They think they died on their way to the trailer though. There were no outright signs of Jackie in the trailer. Police believed that he was there. His body was found totally apart from Jack and bill and unlike Jack and bill whose investigator sink died on the way to the trailer they think made it now not only that but he may have been there the whole time that Ted was alive somewhere between eight and thirteen weeks and they think that maybe only left the trailer. After Ted died I mean he could have been confused and horrified knowing who wants to be stuck in a trailer with the dead body of one of your best friends and the reason they think Gary had been there at least for a little while anyway was because of his shoes that they found in the trailer right and he would have been the only one of three have known how to operate that army as you can opener right so this left police with one bizarre question was Gary. The one who led the group up the mountain into the snow had deary been controlling access to the food and the heat and other essentials. And if so why? I don't think we can discount Gary's history of schizophrenia. And the story yes. He was stable for the two years before this incident but maybe something changed if that night then definitely slowly in the days and weeks before February. Twenty four something. That ben at goal put forward his reporting for the Sacramento. Bee was what if Garry chose not to take his medication so it side effects wouldn't slow him down for that big basketball game but the guys are playing the next day. Could he have found himself in the beginning stages of a schizophrenic psychosis that night and could he have in Burnley led his friends? Who may not have had the mental capacity to question him on a psychosis fueled journey up. The mountain into snow covered forest. I think it is a likely scenario that something lead Gary to believe he needed to either get chew something in those mountains or away from something in that car and his friends just didn't know enough about his illness or about schizophrenia. Or Psychosis in general to know that Gary may have been in a paranoid state. He could have been seeing things that weren't there hearing things that weren't there and terrified of something that wasn't really there and what if after happening upon this trailer in the middle of the Wilderness and recovering for a few days from their journey. Gary left either to find help or to get away from something that he thought was inside the trailer and then maybe gearing never came back. That would explain why. Police only found thirty-one empty food cans. Maybe Gary was the only one capable of not only opening the cans but also finding the food which is outside the trailer in the storage lockers. I mean it's a plausible scenario but there are things. I can't stop about the whistling that night that Joe heard when he had his heart attack. That sighting of the guys with the woman with the baby. I mean we know the car was found in there. He obviously saw them. Who was this other person? Did he just hallucinate that part I mean we had the lighter and the watch but most of all would I can't get over is the fact that the car wasn't damaged and nobody who was in the car that night knew the area to me. It means someone else was there and don't forget we had sightings of them in a red truck now we don't know if those sightings are legitimate but all of this to me is pointing to someone else someone not part of the original five. I don't know how it all fits together but I do think that Gary is the missing piece of the puzzle. But where is he now? There's no evidence that Gary survived the ordeal that killed Ted Jackie Jock and bill. But there's also evidence that he died out there either like there's no evidence of foul play and no evidence to prove otherwise. This case is long on questions but short on answers pretty much everyone involved in this case officially and the families of the Yuba County five thinks Gary died in those woods. It defied logic that the men's survived as long as they did the conditions in that forest during February and March challenged the experienced forced rangers looking for the men and they were dressed for the weather. Gary was undoubtedly the best equipped to deal with the journey. I mean intellectually anyways but even he couldn't survive out there. Long-term police did look beyond the Plumas National Forest Gary. Even if he had gotten out of there alive he wouldn't have been able to fly under the radar for long without medication for schizophrenia. Investigators sent descriptions of him hospitals and psychiatric facilities in the area. But no sign of Gerry. Ever turned up. It's like Gary died in those woods along with Ted Jackie Jacksonville. And if he did the story of what really happened to the Yuba county five died right along with him. If you WanNa see any pictures we talked about in this case. Were to see a list of our source material. You can find all of that on our website. Crime Junkie PODCAST DOT COM and be sure to follow us on Instagram at trend Janke podcast. We actually won't be back next week with a new episode. Next week is Memorial Day. So we're taking a little bit of time off to spend with our families but will be back on June I with AJ Berry special episode. And if you want to hear more from US stick around for a puppet of the month story. Junkie is an audio chuck production. So what do you think check? Do Bro Okay. Ashley I'm going to be up front about this because I already gave you the heads up when I found this prop it but as a reminder to you a warning for all of our listeners. I'm awarding this problem. The month posthumously. Lucky the golden retriever mix passed away from a battle with cancer when here's a fit over thirteen years old but his story definitely grandma interest and I think our views will appreciate it to know boy so here. We go our listener. Morgan submitted the story of the first dog lucky and when Morgan was a kid she loved visiting local animal shelter on weekends but she spent with her dad. They go and pet. The dogs play with them but always with understanding that they were doing it because they were never going to any of the last words but also like you know it's important for rescue. Dogs be socialized around people for their own being and honestly ours. Too but yeah. They weren't going to get a dog mainly because Morgan's dad lived in an apartment. Plus her parents had shared custody of her idea of having shared custody of a dog to sounded like a little bit downdraft sounds a little bit messy but when. Morgan was ten. Her Dad got engaged to a woman who had a fenced in backyard which changed everything and one day. They were visiting a shelter. Play with the dogs and Morgan met her dog. He was sweet. Golden retriever mix who had little white socks and a little white patch on his chest. Which little fluffy retriever pause with white? I just can't. He was sitting so patiently on the other side of the fence. While all the other dogs were barking and jumping around and going crazy and obviously her dad was like friendly reminder. We're only there to play on the not So they do that but Morgan cried all the way because she knew that this dog was her on. Are you crying already? I've about that is so. Here's one of my favorite parts of the story is the very next day. Morgan's future step. Mom went right back to the shelter and adopted this guy for organ and when she got there there was actually another family. Looking to adopt. Him and Morgan said that to this day. She has no idea how her mom was able to get him but she basically said. I'm not leaving without the stock. I love already got a win so once all the paperwork was done. The shelter handed her this giant binder with a notebook in it as well as like all of the dogs health records and stuff like that and this shelter actually had worked with a local women's prison that put a dog training program in place in the prison facility and lucky had been fostered and trained by an inmate. Which may I? I don't know about you but like I love hearing stories about these programs. Because due to they help like local shelters so much like fostering and training and that helps dogs get adopted faster. But it's also super therapeutic for the inmates and start like we habilitation which like two birds one stone. I love programs like this so they get lucky home and start flipping through the notebook that came with him and it's actually his training notebook from the prison program and this notebook was build with meticulous notes and like almost journal entries detailing what a dog lucky had been how his training progressed and things he struggled with within the process and the whole family was amazed at what incredible job is inmate had done in kind of recording. Lucky life behind bars. And that's what I noticed the name on the front of the notebook. Dr Deborah Green and the whole family was in shock. They knew who doctor was and what she had done. Oh they were like familiar with this person. Whatever crime they committed yes so I was not at all. Have you ever heard of this person? No okay so I find that really wild 'cause Andrel yes that Anne rule actually wrote a book all about this woman. Oh my gosh. So it's like it's like a big case. Yes so. The book is called Bitter Harvest a women's fury a mother's sacrifice and I haven't read it but I'll tell you a little bit about what happened so back. In October of Nineteen ninety-five. Dr Green was a local Kansas City. Doctor who set her own home on fire and she escaped the fire with one of her three children but two of them died in the home and she her husband had had a rocky relationship. He'd actually recently moved out of the home a few months prior to the fire because he believed he was being poisoned by Deborah. Oh my gosh and according to ABC News when the police were called to the home. In what I think was a domestic dispute like a month before the fire. They said that Deborah was kind of acting weird and when they searched the house just to make sure like everyone was safe in okay. They found her beans which those they're used to make rice in a crazy crazy dangerous poison. And if you've watched breaking bad you know that and decorating was eventually arrested. In November of nineteen ninety-five it was charged and later convicted of one count of aggravated arson for setting her home on fire. First degree murder in the deaths of her two children who died in the fire two counts of attempted first degree murder in the fact that when she left her home on fire all three children had been in the home and obviously poisoning her estranged husband. Did her husband died in the fire as well. He didn't because he had moved out. He knew a couple months before so he did not. He did have like ongoing health problems and died shortly after having been poisoned that long could not figure out what was wrong with him because he's really really difficult to detect. His poisoning actually presented in a lot of like abdominal and gastrointestinal issues and he had recently gone overseas. He thought he'd kind of maybe water. Practice something there but nothing ever really panned out. So she ended up taking an Alfred Lee which is kind of like. I'm not saying I'm innocent. I'm not saying I'm guilty. But there's enough to convict me if I believe. Yeah it's basically say well and usually it's still in saying I'm innocent but I recognize that if we were to go to trial it looks bad and I would probably go to jail right and so. She's currently serving two concurrent forty year prison sentences and this is such an old case. I couldn't find a ton of information on it outside the book and a couple of Articles. I did read an article from the KC star that seated that. She filed for an appeal regarding her sentencing. Back in two thousand fifteen but it had been denied. And there's not really been anything since then has been Leonidas. How did our like sorry for like the Mini Crime Junkie in the middle of property of the month and it's just going to say like our province of the month story went to like a full on crime. Yeah I couldn't help it. I read this email from. We're getting I was like I have to tell lucky story so again here. Morgan and her family are welcoming their brand new dogs family and learning more and more about him from a convicted murderer and it kind of became like a morbid joke within the family to say things like don't accept food from. Lucky lucky loan with matches or home back when lucky was locked up but lucky lived a lovely and full life to the age of thirteen when he was diagnosed with cancer and Morgan's Dad. Who all those years ago was so adamant about never getting like Ireland. Because I already know what you're GonNa say it's always. The DADS Yawkey was the most affected. Yeah and he went to increase lengths to make these last months as comfortable as possible and shortly after past dad and step. Mom tried to get another puppy but it was too soon for Dad. We really just weren't ready to replace the best dog ever but Morgan did tell me that just recently. They did adopt new dog. Who looks just like lucky and I love this so much. New Puppy was trained as a service dog but couldn't quite make the cut so we got adopted and I feel like that's me wanting to be a detective like really want to do it. We're going to start a podcast but new dog and dad loved to sit on the Couch in Dad's barn and listen to talk radio but Morgan thinks in honor. It might just be time to introduce them to true crime. Podcast like crime donkey. I love it. I love lucky story so much again. I can't imagine adopting a dog and being like Oh also. A murderer raised up for a while yet again. It could not have been more crime junkie appropriate. I love it so much okay. So that's lucky story Ashley. We usually under episodes with adoptable dog but we have a really great track record of picking dogs that adopted before I before. The episode comes out before episode airs. So I think we're GONNA shift gears a little bit and I want to tell you about a shelter in Kansas and Missouri. Kansas City area. Where Dr Deb? Green Live called Casey pet project and they have cats and dogs. I was scrolling through their puppies today. They have a ton normal ones. I suggest looking at all of them. Because they're amazing. But you can find them at Casey pet project DOT ORG check them out. If you're in the area guys. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you next month for any preparatory.

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S04 Episode 7: Called to the Forest (Pt. 1 of 2)

Unexplained

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S04 Episode 7: Called to the Forest (Pt. 1 of 2)

"The today's episode of unexplained is brought to you by travel channel's new series portals to hell premiering Friday, April twenty eighth at ten pm nine pm central join Jacko's Boone and Katrina Whiteman as they investigate notorious pointed locations, like the Alaskan hotel, Bobby Mackie's music world and eastern state penitentiary in search of irrefutable evidence. That a spirit world exists watch the series premiere a portals to hell this Friday, attempy M nine PM central only on travel channel and stream a sneak peek on the free travel channel app today. closely into the daily goings on of any town city and soon enough you'll come across something a little unsavory or unsettling. A strange paradox. When you consider that such places are often held up as examples of our superior sense of civility. We need not be so hard on our selves. However. Considering the number of different people ideas, all crammed into gather in these places. It's a wonder they functioned at all. That's it. When things happen there that aren't to our liking. We have only ourselves to blame. And it is only through ourselves alone. But we can rectify such unwanted situations. The same cannot be said for the town of causal rock the principal location. And title of the recent Hulu TV series based on the words of Stephen King. Without wanting to give anything away the show, essentially details the life of a seemingly quaint and quiet town in which darkness in one form or another appears especially drawn to it. I was reminded of this show. When researching this week story? The why would never suggest an entire town. Or in this case, a whole region was pre two naturally susceptible to unfortunate things if I were to believe that such things were possible. However, this place would certainly provide a compelling case study. The Yuba Sutter area, which Yuba city is the principal. City begins ten miles to the north of Sacramento and stretches north westwards towards the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountain range. In the early eighteenth century much of the land, which would eventually encompass most of you candy, including the Yuba city area was sold to a highly controversial individual named John Sutter around one hundred and fifty years later, the county's name would become synonymous with one of the United States most enduring and tragic mysteries. You're listening to unexplained and I'm Richard McLean. Smith. Nearly nineteenth century Johann Sutton had been wanted for fraud in his home country of Switzerland before deciding to change his name to John and take his chances in the fledgling United States. Leaving behind a wife and five children. He arrived in New York in eighteen thirty four and spent the next five years exhaustively touring the continent to get the measure of it. After managing to ingratiate himself with a number of prominent euro, American dignitaries. He eventually settled in what was then Alta, California in the summer of eighteen thirty nine. The time Alto California was relatively undeveloped province of Mexico having so far managed to resist the clutches of the ever expanding United States. Realizing the area's potential Sutter succeeded in convincing the local governor to sell him almost fifty thousand acres of land along the Sacramento river. The following year. He established a trading colony which he named you Helvetica. Rarely such a story of land purchase complete without some form of native American displacement or indeed slaughter and Sutter's was no different. Local tribes the tw-. I'm willing to recognize these self appointed owners of the lands that they lived on were dispensed with swiftly being either forcibly moved or exterminated entirely. Any tribes the opted to cooperate with the euro American or Mexican settlements would invariably be put to work as little more than slaves. The exact number of native Americans that were killed in the establishing of new hill is unknown. It is thought however that Sutter kept as many as six to eight hundred of them slaves often, locking them up in squalid, pens and placing their food and troughs forcing them to eat like farm animals. It is also speculated that he raped native American girls as young as twelve years old. In eighteen forty eight. Gold was discovered on Sutter's land. However, any hope he had of profiting from it was swiftly dashed when his efforts to keep it secret failed miserably within months Sutter's. Land was overrun with swathes prospectors feverishly clearing at the earth in search of the shiny metal. Such was the speed with which the goldrush unfolded those little that such a good do to stop them. Having bought more land in a bid to claim ownership with any gold found on it Sutter soon found himself in major debt. With no other options. He was forced to sell off his land, transferring any deeds he had left into the name of his son. His land. Owning ambitions were finished. Comic come up, and perhaps if you believe in such things. To if you believe in such things, you might say the series of events would before the region in subsequent years where we're inevitable, given what many would consider to be such rotten beginnings. Part of the land. That was forced to sell was located just forty miles north of new Helvetica and centered around the confluence of the Uber and feather rivers. The land was sold in eighteen forty nine to a small consortium of men headed by Samuel Brennan who quickly established Yuba city in the middle of it. Almost immediately. The fledgling city was overshadowed by Marysville. The town on the opposite Bank of the fed the river which newcomers found much easier to access but sued it began to prosper and over the next one hundred years the city grew steadily from a population of three hundred to seven and a half thousand. Then in December nineteen fifty five a series of devastating storms battered, northern California. After days of relentless rain, just after midnight on December twenty fourth Levy broke on the West Bank of the fed river, sending a wall of water twenty one feet high cascading into the county and flooding ninety percent of Yuba city. Seventy four people were killed. Five years later, a Boeing fifty two bomber plane carrying two three point eight megaton thermonuclear bombs flying into the vicinity of Yuba county. Experienced a sudden and inexplicable loss of pressure in the fuselage. After ordering the rest of the crew to bail out the heroic pilot managed to stay in the cockpit. Just long enough to steer the plane away from Yuba city before bailing out himself. A totally four thousand feet. The plane would eventually crash into a Bali field. Just eleven miles to the west of the city. Miraculously no, radioactive material was released as a result. In late spring, nineteen seventy-one a Yuba county peach farmer noticed a large freshly dug hole on his land that had no apparent purpose? When he found it filled in the next day, he became suspicious and called the police to investigate it. Digging away the fresh dirt they found a man's body underneath riddled with stab wounds. The man was just one of at least twenty five migrant farm workers from around the Yuba county area that serial killer and Yuba city resident one corona was eventually convicted of murdering. Corona had been previously diagnosed with schizophrenia, which some believe was triggered by the trauma. He suffered as a witness to the worst affects of the nineteen fifty five flood. Another five years later the school bus carrying the Yuba city. High school choir broke through a guardrail just outside the city of Martinez plunging thirty feet to the ground. Twenty eight teenagers from the city, and they're chaperone were killed instantly in what was the worst school bus accident ever recorded in the United States at the time. And yet incredibly despite this litany of tragedy the one for which the area would become most well known had yet to pass. The story most often referred to as the Yuba county. Five is a bizarre and heartbreaking mystery the remains to this day unexplained. Mum, have you seen? My Gators shirt. Tried Gary from the laundry room a needed for the game tomorrow. Gary mom, Ida appeared a moment later holding the base t shirt complete with its gateway Gators logo emblazoned across it all washed and ready to go. Thanks, Gary taking it before running to place it with the rest of his kit that he'd laid out in preparation for the next day. Just then the sound of a car horn could be heard coming from the turquoise mercury Montego that adjust pulled up outside the front of the house. The here said Gerry excitedly as he grabbed his jacket and headed to the door. Remember got a big game tomorrow. Don't let me sleep in. He said, yes, I know said Ida before kissing her son goodbye and seeing him out the door. It was February twenty fourth nineteen seventy eight in the small district of olive Hirst just to the south of Yuba city far off in the distance the northern tip of the Sierra Nevada mountains could be seen. It's pine covered ranges still capped with snow down in the valley. However, it was barely jacket whether as a pale sun was slowly beginning its final descent toward the horizon. Waiting for Gary outside in the Montaigue. Oh was thirteen year old driver and north vehicles. Jack Ma drew accompanied by thirty two year old Ted we and the twenty four year old Jack Hewitt. The others shouted for Gary to hurry up as he raised to the car and jumped into the front seat. Moments later, they pulled away. His Ida waved them off from her front door. A few minutes later, they were parking up outside a small house onto later street in Yuba city to collect the fifth and final member of the group twenty nine year old Bill sterling. With Bill finally settled in the backseat they were on their way once more. The five men with friends from around the Yuba county area who had met the gateways project a local organization that helped adults with intellectual disabilities to better navigate their lives. Driver, Jack Madrid was perhaps the least affected by his disability. Although he had never been diagnosed with anything specific his thought processes were considered to be slower than average. An army veteran Jack had served two years in Vietnam. As a truck driver and had recently started a job as a dishwasher at a local dried fruit company. Ted and Bill with the closest in the group having known each other for almost eight years. Ted had been doing especially well recently gaining employment through the gateway project repairing cables for local gas intellect trinity company, just like the others. Ted was not thought capable of fending for himself. So lived at home with his parents. In his case. This was due to what some considered to be a basic lack of common sense. One time when Ted's parents house caught fire Ted had been more concerned about getting a good night's sleep. Then the flames the took begun raging above his bed. His brother had to forcibly pull him out of the house to save him. When Ted tried to make friends with strangers. He could never understand why they seem so intimidated by him or why they wouldn't simply wave back when he waved at them. Bill. Sterling also done well to gain employment working as a dishwasher at the nearby Beale air force base Bill enjoyed the position especially the sense of independence at had given him. However, he was instructed by his parents to quit the job not long after taking it after they discovered that some of the m and there had been plying him with alcohol and stealing his wages. Bill had spent much of his youth in Napa state psychiatric hospital being generally mis-diagnosed and misunderstood. Of all of them twenty four year old Jack who could not read write or use a telephone was generally thought to be the most severely affected by his disabilities. Having met Ted back when he was sixteen Jack who was also Tepelea shy. We'd come to rely heavily on him and pair become firm friends as a result. And then there was Gary. Unlike the other four who often went everywhere together and had known each other for an extended period of time. Twenty five year old Gary Mathias was a fairly new addition to the group. Gary was also an army veteran stationed for a few years in Germany. After suffering psychiatric episode proton by hallucinogenic drug use Gary was discharged and sent home for the past two years. However, Gary had been well and successfully holding down a job stepfather, Robert clocks gardening business. Gary had been introduced to the gateway project as a way of finding new friends and bonded with the others of their mutual. Love of basketball. All of them played for the gateway Gators the projects basketball team and we're looking forward to a big tournament. They would you to play in the following morning, which promised an all expenses paid trip to Los Angeles for the winning team. That night. However their excitement was for a different game. The friends were heading up to Chico now is drive to the north to watch their favorite team university, California Davis take on Chico state. Despite their disabilities. Such a trip wasn't unusual since the boys regularly travelled together to watch them play their home stadium in David's or anywhere else. That wasn't too far to drive before returning straight home. That night shouldn't have been any different. After picking up Bill. The men made a quick stop it. Mike O service station on collusive avenue. The other state in the car is Bill ran inside to pick up his fifteen dollar allowance from his parents who ran the place. Bill's mother pointy to who was concerned about the men making the trip the night before they're torn amount tried again to dissuade his son from going. As Bill explained. However tonight was the last chance that get to watch their team the season. And there was no way they were going to pass that up. Realizing it was a lost cause for Nita won't Bill. Not to be back to late before sending him on his way. Later that night. The men watched with delight as you see Davis picked up there. Seventy th win of the season beating Chico ninety eight to eighty six. Shortly after ten pm the men left the Chico university stadium and piled back into jacks. Montego? Soon after leaving the parking lot. One of the men suggested they make a quick stop to get some supplies for the return journey. Pulling up outside a convenience store moments later, they were disappointed to find the shop clock closing the place up after taking pity on them. However, she agreed to stay open just long enough for them to get what they needed. A short time later the men were back in the car loaded with some fruit pies and chocolate bars as Jack slowly eased onto the road before heading off into the night. Twenty two sterling hadn't taken to is of the clock since midnight. Old things going to plan. Her son should have been home by then. By two AM. She couldn't hold out any longer. It wasn't the first time that Bill hadn't come home on time or even missing completely oven. He would go and stay with friends and just simply forget to call home each previous occasion. He had never been more than a quick phone. Call away. Trying not to panic when heater picked up the phone and dialed Melba Jack Madrid's mother with whom he lived in nearby. Linda. But Jack was also yet to come home. It was a few hours later that Ted's mother imaging who had slept through the earlier phone calls woke up to find her son's bed empty having not been slept in the night before. Calling one eater immediately. She was shocked to find both Bill and Jack for also still missing. Calling Jack Hewitt's mother soon after imaging got the same response. The last hope was that the boys had all gone to Garry Matthias, his family home. Since the we is lived just down the street from them immature, daughter-in-law, volunteer to go and check if they were there. The look on her face when she returned was all imaging needed to know. The men would you to meet the rest of the gateway Gators team later that morning outside a store in Marysville. Knowing the five wouldn't have missed that tournament for the world a few at the family members traveled to the stool in hope that their sons and brothers might yet be there. But the men never appeared. By eight pm having still heard nothing from the Melba Maruta informed. The Yuba county sheriff's office, the tests son and his full best friends were missing. That we can't the various families spent days in a complete Hayes anxiously looking out for any mention of car crash or sighting of the missing men, but nothing came on Monday. Having heard nothing from the police on eater took it on herself to drive to Chico where she handed out pictures of the five friends to the various ticket sellers and security offices at the university basketball stadium. None however recognized the faces that had been sat in the venue for over two hours. Only a few nights before. In the meantime, the sheriff's office had released a statement to the local press giving a detailed description of the missing men and the vehicle they were travelling in urging anyone to come forward who might have important information as to their whereabouts. Having been given a brief description of the personalities he was looking for taking into account, the intellectual disabilities Yuba county undershirt, Jack Beecham was dumped as to what might have happened to them. Certainly, no crashes with that type of vehicle had been reported and judging by how the parents described it. It was no reason to suggest that the men had struck out on an impromptu you road trip. The following day Beecham received an unexpected call from plumas national forest ranger will out Burrows. Boris had been making his way along forest road when he came across abandoned car. He hadn't thought anything about it at the time would having seen a news report about the missing men later that day he felt to call it in. Beecham was confused. Plumas forest covered. The northern tip of the Sierra Nevada mountains and was located about seventy miles east of Chico in the complete opposite direction to where the men were supposed to have been heading. Moreover, the point at which claimed to have seen the car was four thousand feet high into them. But Boris was adamant the vehicle he had seen a turquoise mercury. Montego? The following day Wednesday March first onto sheriff beach him with a handful of deputies made his way to the sport detailed by forest range of berries. An hour later. The officers found themselves leaving the mild flats at the Yuba shutter area and heading up into the Sierra Nevada mountains toward the snow covered. Pines of plumas national forest. With the temperature steadily dropping to higher they claimed he was soon approaching the snow line at an altitude of roughly four thousand feet. The road was known locally Oroville Quincy road running from the foothill town of Oroville at the western edge of the mountains snaking east via the town of Quincy all the way through to the other side during the summer months. The roads would be jammed with daytrippers holidaymakers heading out to one many cabins that dotted the surrounding area with bucks lake located in the middle of the forest about fifty miles from Oroville being the biggest drool. During the winter months. However by the time, you had reached this new line the road would quickly become impossible to all. But the most hardy vehicles. It was at this point with the unpaved forest road becoming ever narrower and more rugged beach him spotted the car that will are berries had come across. Although by now, it was carrying a light dusting of snow beach him could see clearly that it was indeed a turquoise nineteen sixty nine mercury one Tako. Peach him, wrapped his jacket a little tighter about himself as he made his way through the slush toward the vehicle. Brushing away, the snow from the window. You looked inside. Empty food. Wrappers was strewn about on the backseat along with a couple of basketball programs, but the vehicle was otherwise empty. Trying to door surprised to find it unlocked, but the keys gone. Pulling a panel from under the steering wheel Beecham fiddled with the wires until the car's engine roared into life. The year watched as the needle on the dashboard, moved up to reveal at least a quarter tank of gas left in it. Stepping after the car Beecham to in the scene around him staring off into the trees that back away from the road the ground covered in fresh snow from the night before. All was completely silent. And there was no sign of track marks anywhere beating down off the road. Looking at the front wheels. He could see that they were a little stuck in the snow. But it was nothing that quick push. Couldn't have dislodged. None of it seemed to make sense. Why on earth with the five friends of driven up into the mountains and then abandoned to car like this with absolutely no reason to. Unless of course, it hadn't been democrat all to brought it there in the first place. Could it be beach thought that it had been stolen and merely dumped there? With that might put the five missing men would be anyone's guess at this point. After calling it in Beecham was promptly appointed to lead the search for the missing men. Forty personnel from Uber, plumas and Butte county along with the snowmobiles and to highway patrol helicopter who drafted in. For the rest of the day. They searched every inch of the surrounding forest within a five mile radius of the abandoned car for any sign of the two jacks Hewitt and Madrid STA. Bill Stirling, Ted. We're and Gary Matthias, but no clue to their possible. Whereabouts was found. Beecham knew only too well that if the five men had driven into the mountains after all only to abandon their vehicle their survival would depend on finding shelter. Very quickly failure to do. So stumbling blindly in the dog in subzero temperatures dressed as they were for a mild evening would most likely be fatal. What's more? It did now being almost a week since they had disappeared. And no one in the immediate area had seen them nor were they found in any of the nearby cabins that they might assault as a place of refuge later that day. Undersheriff Beecham had the unenviable task of informing the families of just what they had discovered. It was hard to gauge which scenario offered them the most hope whether the vehicle had been stolen and amend possibly assaulted and left stranded. Elsewhere. Or whether they themselves for reasons unknown had abandoned the car high up in amount late at night in minus zero temperatures. What beach did know? However was that neither scenario looked good. The end of part one unexplained season for episode seven called to the forest. You can hit the second and final part next Friday, April twenty six. If you enjoy listening to unexplained and would like to help supporters you can now go unexplained podcasts dot com forward slash support. All donations. No matter how large your small a massively. Appreciate. All elements of unexplained produced by me. Richard mclean. Smith, please subscribe and rate the show on I tunes and feel free to get in touch with any thoughts. Right. Is regarding the stories you've heard on the show. Perhaps you have an explanation of your own you'd like to share. 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Full Episode: Monday, September 23, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:31 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Monday, September 23, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Under arrest authorities say the American soldier at a major terror plot thet soldier arrested the alleged plan to attack a news network with a large vehicle full of bombs where he was arrested. Pierre Thomas is standing by president trump tonight defending defending his call to the president of Ukraine admitting he brought up Joe Biden that call as the trump administration was holding back hundreds of millions in aid for Ukraine the president tonight saying he did not pressure that Ukrainian president tropical system close again tonight set to hit Puerto Rico in the US Virgin Islands in the coming hours could east coast get this ginger Zee with the new track travel chaos tonight at airports from JFK and Newark to Orlando the major tour company suddenly out of business leaving passengers stranded here in the US at around the world. The police officer charged with murder. She claims he was confused when she entered the wrong apartment on the wrong floor after work killing the man who she thought was an intruder. It was his apartment what was revealed just today tonight the growing concern the deadly mosquito virus several new deaths multiple states and whether warning parents to keep children indoors the underwater proposal that ended in tragedy the American boyfriend holding out a note and a ring his last message to his girlfriend in New York City the effort to save a five year old girl under the subway after her father jumped how they saved her at the teenager telling world leaders today. You are failing us. How dare you this is? ABC News Tonight with David View good evening at his greatest another week with all of you at home and we do begin tonight with that American soldier under arrest tonight terror charges authorities say he was discussing a large vehicle bomb wanted to target a major American news network and identifying presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke to Private Jarrett William Smith Twenty four years old based at Fort Riley Kansas Kansas arrested and charged with distributing information about explosives and weapons of mass destruction late today. CNN reporting that they were the target of this alleged plot and ABC's chief Chief Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas leading us off tonight a US Army infantry soldier is accused of planning an attack with quote a large vehicle bomb on a major American news network and naming presidential candidate Beta O'Rourke as a potential target for assassination jared. William Smith stationed at Fort Riley Riley Kansas was arrested on Saturday after allegedly talking to a confidential F. B. I. source about placing a vehicle full of various explosive materials and a specific but unidentified news network and Smith allegedly said thirty minutes later boom tonight CNN reporting. It is targeted network. This case sets off so many alarms. The combination of an active duty soldier trained young and talking about harming other people. It's the absolute worst or scenario for law enforcement the FBI locked onto the twenty-four-year-old Smith last March after receiving a tip that he was allegedly using facebook to distribute information about how to build improvised explosive devices in a chilling exchange with an undercover agent. A Democratic presidential candidates name is mentioned the undercover ask. Yes you got anyone down in Texas that would be a good fit for fire destruction and Death Smith allegedly respond outside of Bago. I don't know if enough people that would be relevant enough to cause a change. If they died. He had all the right elements to commit a violent attack. So let's get to peer with US live tonight pier. I know you've been reporting reporting this out all afternoon and your sources now telling you that some of these bomb designs were viable. Yes David the FBI consulted a number of bomb experts and they said had some designs were potentially dangerous but authorities say a number of alleged bomb designs would not work including the one targeting that news headquarters David Lloyd Pierre Thomas Leading this off tonight Pierre. Thank you next tonight president trump defiant. He was asked repeatedly today did he put pressure on Ukraine to investigate his potential twenty twenty challenger Joe Biden the president over the weekend admitting he did bring up Joe Biden on that call and all of this is Congress has already passed hundreds of millions in aid for Ukraine but that money had not been sent sent but even with that money in the balance the president tonight saying he was not putting pressure on the new president of Ukraine. Here's ABC's chief. White House correspondent Jonathan Karl traveling with the President President here in New York tonight today. A defiant president trump insisted he did nothing wrong by asking the president of Ukraine to investigate his his campaign rival Joe Biden perfect phone call with the president of Ukraine Everybody knows that it's just a Democrat witch-hunt here. We go again over the weekend. The President described the July twenty fifth phone. Call with the newly elected Ukrainian president conversation. I had was largely. Congratulatory was largely corruption all of the corruption taking place largely the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden. It is creating bigger up already in the Ukraine that conversation the Wall Street Journal reported the president pushed eight times time for an investigation into Joe Biden Nitzan Hunter suggesting the Ukrainian president work with his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani at the time of the call. The trump administration was withholding two hundred fifty million dollars in military aid to Ukraine that Congress has already approved. I did not make a statement that you we'll have to do this or I'm not going to give you a I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that but several minutes later. The president said it wouldn't have been wrong if he did do it. I put no pressure on them. Whatsoever good F- I think it would probably possibly have been okay if I did but I didn't. I didn't put any pressure on them. Whatsoever ended another point point today. The president seemed to acknowledge he did consider withholding aid unless the investigation into his political rival when forward. We're supporting a country country. We WanNa make sure that country is honest. It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption why would you give money to a country that you think is is corrupt. Hunter Biden did make tens of thousands of dollars a month working for Ukrainian company while his father was vice president but there's been no evidence of any wrongdoing and Biden is hitting back why see on the phone with a foreign leader trying to intimidate a foreign leader. If that's what happened that's appears what happened. You should be looking at trump giancarl here in New York tonight. Always good to have you in person. You heard Joe Biden there over the weekend he also tonight is now demanding that the White House released a transcript of this conversation. How likely is well. I am told by multiple people close to the president that there are serious consideration in the White House of releasing the transcript will will it happen David. I frankly doubt it look. There are detailed word for word verbatim. Transcripts of most of the conversations of president has with a foreign leader. They we almost never see the light of day with the exception of when they are leaked as happened twice in trump's first years first months in office and at that point they took steps to make sure it would never happen again right so we'll see John. Thank you and of course this phone. Call is under scrutiny because of that whistle blower who came forward and Tonight House Speaker Nancy Pelosi already under growing pressure to move forward impeachment. She is now issuing an ultimatum to the trump. White House released the whistle blower complaint by Thursday or face quote a new level of investigation. What does does that now mean. Here's Mary Bruce on the hill if the trump administration doesn't hand over the whistleblower complaint by Thursday speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is now hinting hinting at impeachment warning they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a whole new stage of investigation now even Democrats who have resisted resisted calls to impeach say they may have little choice he may force us to go down this road and we may very well have crossed the Rubicon here. The inspector general determined the whistle blowers complaint was credible of urgent concern but on twitter today the president questioned the whistleblowers patriotism asking is he on our countryside ride. Where does he come from for some Democrats. Impeachment is long overdue congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez tweeting the bigger national scandal isn't the presidents lawbreaking behavior it is the Democratic Party's refusal to impeach him for it while Republican leaders largely silent one exception senator editor Mitt Romney tweeting. If the president asked or pressured Ukraine's president to investigate his political rival it would be troubling in the extreme and tonight the trump administration should hand over the whistleblower complaint and if they don't well that'll be up to the house to decide how to proceed so let's get right to Mary Bruce. She's with us live as well tonight. I choose from the hill and Mary. All Eyes Have Been Speaker Pelosi. When it comes to impeachment and you've reported here she has repeatedly called for restraint saying follow the facts but this sounded like an escalation nation from the speaker well David for months speaker has been walking this very fine line here but now we are seeing a notable shift speaker didn't even mention the word impeachment but David but you didn't have to it is clear she suggesting this is now a possibility David. Mary Bruce Live in Washington thank you we are also following tonight a tropical system set to hit Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands in the coming hours tonight. They're now bracing for impact and could the east coast be next. Let's get right to chief meteorologist ginger zee with the newest track tonight. We know you're watching a number of systems. They're still out there so many I mean from the dangerous flash flooding in Arizona because of their system to look at that Atlantic Basin David Tropical Storm Jerry Karen End Lorenzo Renzo Lorenzo does not look like it'll be a threat to land but an immediate threat to land is tropical depression. Karen doesn't mean what it doesn't matter what it's called it will drop significant rain on on Puerto Rico. Remember Puerto Rico is not flat island. They've got those mountains and you just need a couple of inches but they could see four to eight inches that would end up giving mudslides and of course debris flows possibility the flash flooding also could happen Saint Croix Saint Thomas all watching some of the impacts but then look at Gerry tropical storm warning now for Bermuda very similar to pat hat to last week's Umberto. Luckily this should stay in the tropical storm category and keeps that path out to see all right ginger thank you we turn next tonight too. Dramatic opening arguments in the trial of the former former Dallas police officer charged with murdering her neighbor. She claims she thought she was in her own apartment. When she entered the wrong apartment on the wrong floor after work and killed who she thought thought was an intruder. It turned out it was his apartment and tonight. The new evidence revealed. ABC's Marcus more in Dallas tonight tonight prosecutors saying both John's killing in his own apartment was completely avoidable. Is this extremely obvious. Obvious Bright Red Floor Mat Amber Geiger had no format that dusty. Red Matt is one of the many signs say Amber Geiger. A former Dallas police officer missed the shot and killed the twenty six year old. I thought it was in my apartment and started I think in that thing and it was my apartment art prosecutors claim Geiger seen here on the phone after the shooting had been sending intimate text messages and talking on the phone with her partner just moments before she walked into Johns home and was possibly distracted they add those messages related deleted Geiger Acura legend. She was exhausted after work and simply walked into the wrong apartment. Her attorneys say this was not murder but rather a tragic mistake to say that she wasn't aware there was a red door and knowingly norte because she wanted to go into fourteen seventy eight and shoot. This man is preposterous and one of the big questions tonight. Tonight is whether Geiger will take the stand in her own. Defense attorneys have said she will this trial is expected to last at least two weeks. David Marcus bore reporting tonight thank you and next to the passengers at airports across this country and the world left stranded after the sudden collapse of the world's oldest travel company. UK based Thomas Cook was one of the biggest low-cost holiday package package providers in the world and these images tonight this JFK airport in New York City and what now for the hundreds of thousands of passengers stranded ABC's James Longman is Doc Newark Airport ten passengers like these in New York's JFK airport finding out as they waited in line at the tool company that book that flights and hotels suddenly suddenly shut down hundreds of thousands potentially stranded around the world of the UK based. Thomas Cook dwelt oldest tool company abruptly went bankrupt up to six hundred thousand reportedly struggling to get home including one hundred and fifty thousand British citizens. We just don't know anything wards and hoping Orlando to Spain to Greece thousands of others left behind this American woman telling us. She's stuck in Rome unable to get home. I've tried many times to contact pads the airlines and it's been an automated system. There's no life person and the UK government mulching the biggest repatriation of Bush's nationals since world go to sending planes to pick up those citizens who travel stilted in the UK. The process could take weeks. What a mess tonight. James Longman live from Newark where some of those stranded hope hope to get on flights back home the British government James Providing flights for its own citizens but what about everyone else yeah. That's the big question David we reached out to what's left the company but didn't get much of a straight answer the US Department for Transportation Says If U. S. consumers need to they could reach out to other airlines for help. They do point out. Those companies are not obligated to provide assistance Davis James Longman could to have you with us and we've been following the alarming spread of that rare mosquito borne virus known as triple E. Tonight three new deaths to report now eight thousand killed across several states and health officials in some areas are now warning parents to keep their children inside at dusk until the first frost. Here's ABC's Eva the pilgrim tonight three new deaths being blamed on Tripoli eastern equine encephalitis that rare mosquito borne illness. This year is really quite extraordinary extraordinary. We have never seen this much. Widespread activity over such a wide geographic region in Massachusetts James Longworth wife says he collapsed during a yard sale and died four days later the disease killing eight people this year among twenty-seven infected across six states most cases are mild but nearly a third with brain swelling are fatal and many survivors are left with long term brain damage. Savannah to heart has been hospitalized since August. She has very extensive brain damage judge. They don't know I want to say what the outcome will be for her. The fourteen year old from Michigan went from playing volleyball to the hospital in one day. I I want the awareness out there. David authorities say the best way to protect yourself is to wear bug spray and cover up some communities now urging people to stay inside from dusk until dawn even shortening practice hours for some children's sports until the First Frost David Pilgrim tonight thank you. We've had a remarkable address at the United Nations Climate Action Summit today sixteen year old activist Greta Thunberg making some of her most impassioned remarks furious at world leaders for in her words failing to act on greenhouse gas emissions leaving the damage to her generation. Here's what she told world leaders gathered at the UN. This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean yet you all come to US young people for hope how dare you and after her appeal this moment making news. Thunberg scene in the lobby as the spotlight then shifted back to president trump the president president early in his administration took the US out of the Paris climate accord and there is news tonight about those deadly drug overdoses in Pittsburgh police arresting a suspect now accusing him of supplying drugs laced with sentinel at a party in an apartment. Three people died four or hospitalized authorities. Say the victims were found in the apartment inside an elevator and right right outside on the street. There is still much more ahead on world news tonight this Monday the underwater proposal that ended in tragedy the American boyfriend surprising girlfriend holding got a note and a ring. It was his last message to her. How this happened the new health alert tonight the drugmaker recalling a blood pressure drug because of a possible cancer risk and we'll have details tells for you and here in New York City tonight the effort to save a five year old girl under the subway how they got her out a lot more news ahead here on Monday night right back. What if you can make your work take less work you can with capterra compare thousands of software options read reviews and instantly narrow your favorites. You'll have more time in no time. Find the right software right now at CAPTERRA DOT com slash tonight with over one one thousand reviews of products from real software users discover everything. You need to make an informed decision. 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They were staying at this luxury resort on Pemba island Tanzania and the Underwater Room Stephen Kenosha Antoine was inside their out of this world underwater bedroom that rents. It's for seventeen hundred dollars a night recording on her cell phone. When a surprise came to the window at thirty feet deep it was the love of her life with a ring and a message message that said I can't hold my breath long enough to tell you everything I love about you. She said yes a million times yes but after this wonderful moment he drowned the CEO of the resort says it was a fatal accident and that Weber died while free diving alone his family friends. France and fiance are all heartbroken in a facebook post. She wrote that you never emerged from those depths so you never got to hear my answer the US a State Department tonight is working with the family to bring Weber home to Louisiana for funeral David credibly Saturday Steve. Thank you to the index of other news this Monday into the terrifying defying scene here in New York City a five year old girl rescued from underneath a subway train to commuters jumping onto the tracks helping crawl to safety her father had jumped in front of the train meanwhile holding her. He was struck and killed. She was treated for only scratches tonight. Her mother saying she is thanking. God her daughter survived the new health alert tonight the makers of the blood pressure Douglas Art in expanding their voluntary recall because of a possible cancer causing element known as an MBA authorities say patients should talk to their doctors before are they stop taking that drug overseas to the Royal Family in South Africa Tonight Prince Harry Duchess Megan and baby archie on their first official trip together Megan speaking with teenage girls talking about at her heritage for the first time as a royal telling the girls I am here as a woman of color and as your sister finding tonight here America strong the fire department with nine new tiny recruits the firefighters from the Rancho Cucamonga Fire Department in Southern California were in the news just last month battling the Walker fire in plumas national forest tonight. They're hard work is not over. Just look nine. Those firefighters are now proud new fathers holding seven daughters and two sons all born between March and July there Charlotte Fresno Liam Reilly Lakeland Harper Emma Colette and medics the fire department capturing tree newborns first visit to their dad's at the firehouse all of their beating MOMS right there too and this group photo forming a circle on their father's all of those bombs and those dads their hands full tonight congrats to all of those moms and dads and those new babies are in good hands. I'm David Muir. I hope to see you right back here tomorrow until then have a good evening good night. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight.

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Full Episode: Monday, September 9, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:12 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Monday, September 9, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight found alive that desperate search and rescue operation playing out at this hour hour after this ship capsized off the coast of fire on board holding rescue teams back at first but tonight they have rescued three more people alive a fourth still inside. We'll go live to the humanitarian crisis in the Bahamas desperation and tonight with President trump has said about people in the Bahamas who want to to come to the US the outrage over plan secret talks with the Taliban at Camp David revealed by President Trump. Those talks called off before they could happen. Why was is the Taliban coming to the US days before nine eleven tonight? ABC News exclusive the hunt for Isis fighters. We take you deep inside Iraq tonight right. After the president celebrated the defeat of Isis their territory taken back. Where are they now tonight with? US forces as they hunt for Isis in the caves the mountains the villages of Iraq and we take you inside the refugee camp in Syria where Isis fighters are living the children dancing around the isis flag home home tonight the major fire at an historic synagogue. Was it arson what authorities just revealed the American city of portion of it on lockdown for hours. The suspicious van loaded loaded with one thousand gallons of gasoline the tesla driver appearing to be asleep at the wheel at sixty miles an hour on the highway at the famous face in the big return tonight and not a moment too soon this is ABC lose tonight with David Muir good evening at his great to start another week with all of you at home and we do begin tonight with that daring rescue of four sailors trapped inside a massive cargo ships that went aground off the US coast the ship toppling onto its side off the coast of Georgia catching fire they had rescued twenty before but we're turned back because of fire the four sailors were feared lost and then today sounds heard inside and a response team drops ops in Bhai helicopter cutting through the whole in finding the men alive throughout the day the struggle to get them out tonight. All four are now out. They are okay. ABC's he's Kaley Hartono on the scene and Georgia tonight the desperate rescues at sea emergency response teams on the hull of that massive overturned ship one of the crew members on a stretcher a lower to safety another seen smiling after a grueling thirty hours trapped inside horrifying conditions. I know it's a lot hotter in that ship than it was for us on the outside side and I'm sure on the outside it was probably pushing one hundred and twenty or more rescuers locating the men after hearing them tap on the ship. The last of the four crew members trapped in the control room extracted acted just moments ago when I heard the news this morning that we had tap backs throughout the night. I think that really motivated the team here. The first emergency calls coming Ming at two. AM on Sunday morning. Just sit over in the channel. You need to call co-starred shortly. After leaving off the coast of Georgia the massive cargo ship carrying marine more than four thousand cars made a turn and toppled over quickly bay shop lookout the coastguard pulling twenty of the crew to safety in the dark of night the fires inside the ship made it impossible to get it the remaining men tonight. Six Hundred Fifty Foot ship remains capsized shutting down a busy waterway the longer this ship shipped out here the greater the environmental concern. We're a half mile from it on the trip out here. We were driving through pools of oil and you can smell it. Experts say it could take weeks or even months. It's to turn over the ship and remove it. Keighley's with us live tonight from the site of that ship Kaley. We can see the ship there behind. You and we know some eye witnesses saying the ship appeared to be listing when it actually really lift poor that's right David. This ship had just dropped off half of its automobile cargo in this busy port. It's unclear though if the ship overturned overturned or caught fire I now that the crew is all safely off the ship. Investigators will turn their attention to figuring out what went wrong David Horton leading US off tonight. Kelly thank you and of course we we cannot forget the growing humanitarian crisis in the Bahamas tonight the desperation and the new images coming in and what president trump is about people in the Bahamas who want to get to the US no end of the devastation from Hurricane Doreen people who have lost everything desperate to get to safety ABC's Marcus more tonight in the Bahamas again for us tonight in the Bahamas first responders with the grim task of recovering the dead as aid arrives survivors telling us they want to see promises kept. Let me tell tell you what I appreciate is to action. Be Taken. Place are not broken. Promises Test. We tired of broken. Promises Matt's many Russia to lead the Apple Islands and this morning here in marsh harbour. They are still loading cars and people onto this ferry. That's headed to Nassau. I saw part of the massive effort to evacuate people from this island. Let's devastated by hurricane. Doreen this after more than one hundred evacuees were kicked off a different fairy very infre- port captured here by WSVN passengers without a visa toll to disembark. It's unclear clear why that announcement was made president trump weighing in on survivors trying to leave. I don't want to allow people that weren't supposed to be in the Bahamas to come in to the the United States including some very bad people in some very bad gang members and some very very bad drug dealers back on the Apple Islands Lynne's many still trying to figure out what to do next their families separated during and after the storm my mom I don't see my son. I don't know the power grid here in Marsh Harbour was destroyed and we'll have to be completely rebuilt and at the same time the health minister here says that they are working to account for every single person who's missing but it is possible that some victims were washed out to sea and may never be found David Murray Marcus more with us again tonight Marcus. Thank thank you we turn next to the wildfire emergency in northern California tonight. We're watching the dry conditions radic winds fueling the Walker fire. Each in the plumas national forest roads are closed in several communities are under mandatory evacuations the fire breaking out Friday and tonight. It's now grown to nearly forty four thousand acres with an eight hundred firefighters fighters are battling the flames we next tonight to outrage over president trump's reveal in a tweet of a secret meeting that was planned with the Taliban at Camp David the meeting was was cancelled before it could take place but critics want to know why it was planned so close to nine eleven and Camp David at all the president right now says negotiations with the Taliban are dead and as we reported from Afghanistan this year the US has been negotiating with the Taliban for a peace agreement in Afghanistan to bring US troops home. Here's ABC's chief. White House correspondent Jonathan Carl President Trump today declared talks with the Taliban to end the war in Afghanistan aren't just postponed their dead the dead the dead far as I'm concerned that dead over the weekend the president revealed he had secretly invited Taliban leaders to Camp David on Sunday to ink a peace deal. He says he abruptly pulled the plug on that after a car bomb attack killed an American soldier in Afghanistan they thought that kill people in order to put themselves in a little better negotiating associating physician but the idea of inviting the Taliban the radical Islamic movement that safe haven to Osama bin Laden to Camp David just days before the anniversary of the nine eleven attacks was highly controversial as Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney. Put it no member of the Taliban should set foot there ever ever today. President trump defended his decision camp. David's held meetings with a lot of people that would have been perceived as being pretty tough customers in pretty bad people for almost a decade. Donald Trump is called for an end to the Afghan war. Let's get with it. Get out of Afghanistan but now as talks break down there are fourteen thousand American troops in Afghanistan considerably more than when Donald Trump was elected president and Giancarlo with us live tonight in Fayetteville north North Carolina where the president is holding a campaign rally tonight John. There's concern that a pulling out of Afghanistan without a deal with the Taliban could create another vacuum for terrorist like the ones of course who plotted added nine eleven there <hes> but is the president considering withdrawing you as troops without a deal with the Taliban officials say he could decide to do that. David Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as set two conditions for withdrawal first reduction in violence over there and also ensuring that Afghanistan could never again be I used to stage a terrorist attack on the United States and it is unclear how you achieve those two aims without some sort of peace agreement that Giancarl with us live from North Carolina John. Thank you we turn next tonight to an ABC news exclusive the hunt for Isis fighters tonight we take you deep inside. Iraq after the president celebrated the defeat of devices their territory taken back where they are now tonight we're with US forces as they hunt for Isis and this evening exclusive access inside Syria the refugee camp the children are dancing around the isis flag and the prison where Isis fighters are determined to fight again after door in Baghdad we boarder Blackhawk. US forces giving US exclusive access to an assault underway right now as the US and Iraqis Hunt Down Isis fighters. We are flying over Baghdad right now. After nightfall part of an operation a pair of Isis fighters intelligence shared between the Americans ear on the ground around the Iraqi fighters ordinary landing between blue and robotic operation now underway Batista's west of Baghdad to a base where they hunt him down from above first twenty four hours a day surveillance in the sky looking for Isis fighters now in the desert the mountains the caves of Iraq and in the villages Isis fighters trying to blend into the population you find yourself back in Anbar province to catch Isis fighters now. Do did you ever think that would happen I did not I'm sure it's a very surreal experience in the backyard and Bar <hes> fourteen years later from doing stoppers al Qaeda in Iraq we try to the command center where we learn there has just been a strike on Isis fighters. Has it been lucrative. It's been successful hidden in the desert is their operation center past the concrete barriers where we find. US troops and is trained on Isis. Anger tests were sparring sister combat operations were they revealed was the Isis fighters. They have just targeted you. Were telling me you've already seen any movement. We have tonight. ABC News obtaining these these images of that strike they tell us to isis fighters were spotted where they were sleeping not far from where they were keeping their weapons. This is where they retreated to. We've found them because they got up and moved. They went over to another location to pull some weapons out when they went back into their bed down location than we were able to go and conduct strike. Tom This strike just days before on an isis tunnel in Mozell that city controlled by Isis not so long ago in this strike at another isis hideout north of Baghdad where they were sleeping at night the best way to describe the movie sleeper cells because they're they're. They're intentionally trying not to draw attention. Live another day to fight so you're fairly convinced you've got to isis fighters. If if I was a betting man I'd put my own at sunrise. We are taken to a remote area not far from the command center where we are told helicopters will soon drop off. Iraqi commandos being trained by US forces they land American troops vanishing in desert sand these US forces are shadow like watching the Iraqis as they drill big storm this small space not unlike the caves corners will soon be sent into to flush out Isis Pete Iraqi commandos will be the front line against Isis here <hes> the fact that they're able to do this on their own speaks a lot to their their capabilities in the middle of the desert. We are shown the unmanned drones they are guarded fueled and ready for flight in the skies over Iraq eight hours at a time. This is where they're actually operating the drones that are doing surveillance right now over the Iraqi desert the mountains in the caves where they believe these isis fighters are still still hiding. You can see this private. First Class is looking at terrain right now. We are allowed inside a rare view of what what it is. They see the kind of terrain there scoured and we were about to see for ourselves. What's playing out right now. Deep in the end bar desert. We're Isis fighters crossed over the Syrian border into Iraq back over here again. You're desert a west of her body. The Desert Combat Center for this operation underway white capture spiders hour flight over the desert in one one hundred fifteen degree heat we hear the pilots pointing out every loan vehicle every lone person they see on the horizon they already and then we see the small command post just fifty miles from the Syrian border or western edge this remote post and the outer reaches of the desert. I took note that will be flying out here. You could hear the pilots talking about vehicles often the distance right completely aware of really every isolated seen on the way out. It's just a reminder that this is <hes>. Isis is author as we arrive we learned Isis fighter has blown himself up killing killing another isis fighter in the process the Iraqis then moving in capturing five more isis fighters at that location. We have blurred the Iraqi translator for his safety eighteen. This is where the operation underway right now deep in the Anbar desert about fifty to sixty miles from the Syrian border. You can see the Iraqi troops behind me and the tribal militia setting up this defensive perimeter. They are here to find these isis fighters. They've captured another seven of them captured and killed here in the search for these fighters the new reality -ality this is where the Isis fighters hiding the Iraqi general is waiting for US Senate. Take it is small tent with general using using his laser. Pointer shows us where they're hunting. Are you confident you'll be able to get rid of Isis in Iraq right across the border in Syria. ABC News has shown the other major threat senior. US military leaders telling me this refugee camp is one of their greatest concerns inside L. whole tents as far as the I can see children sitting in the open air mattresses on the back of pickups. The young refugees looking out but what you don't see. US military not leaders say are the ISIS fighters who have disappeared into the crowd and in parts of the camp children now celebrate the Isis Flag Isis flags inside that camp. That's right. There's one section of the camp where most of the hard core ideologues seem to be <hes> located <hes> reason Isis flags actual were dancing around the flag pole. It's a legitimate concern at this is becoming a breeding ground absolute and our team is taken to one last place. One of the prisons just across the border in Syria. Were the American backed. Forces are holding those prisoners inside the prison. ABC News is given rare access down the hallway. The prison doors Bolton inside. The vast. Majority are Isis fighters. This fighter Abdullah Hallam says he was a security officer for Isis for year. He worked with explosives and targeted police stations at he tells us he will rejoin. Isis released the hung Columbia so he can fight and kill Americans. He says because they are killing us we will kill them and on the other side of the border in Iraq be fly back to Baghdad and we witnessed with the US military alrighty knows that this is a fight far from over and many of these military leaders have been to Iraq before came back again for the Isis Fight Brigadier General William Sealy among them. I'm curious six tours later. Did you think we would be heading out to end bar to get the enemy again on it. Is it is surreal that we're going back out to. La More that's what they are <hes> but <hes> that's one of the and you saw that prison there there are at least ten thousand Isis fighters in custody custody of us-backed forces in Syria right now about two thousand of them from countries all over the world including the US tonight. We've learned so far at least eight American adults and thirteen children have been brought back to the US and tonight on nightline our exclusive reporting continues with the children radicalized by Isis and the Rehab Center where they are trying to free the children. I'm from Isis ideology. 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This synagogue has been part of that community for a hundred and seventeen years tonight we learned it investigated from ATF or working with local authorities to determine the cause an origin of fire decimated that historic house of worship David for much of the day to see was simply too hot to work in an official had to fly lie in a drone to survey the structure but tonight authorities want to know. Was this an accident or something more sinister like arson or a hate crime David. We know you'll stay on peer. Thank you to the other news tonight. The scare in downtown Baltimore today police finding a mystery van loaded with fuel and a suspicious device a four block radius evacuated for hours no Obam westbound but they do believe the van was being used to steal fuel the tesla driver appearing to be asleep at the wheel. The driver slumped over in the front seat. Passenger also asleep leap the car cruising about sixty miles. 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Thwaites Glacier is more vulnerable than once thought

"Support for the world comes from hint fruit infused water with no calories or sweeteners. Hint has over twenty five flavors including watermelon water in stores or delivered from drink hint dot com hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. Wildfires out west burning out of control around the globe firefighters mobilizing to help in. Quebec, we were able to respond with sixty firefighters that were available. They've done it across Canada and just last winter many went to Australia to help out as well. I'm Marco Werman also today protesting against police brutality in Columbia's capital turned deadly. The city seems to be like a pot of hot water that is starting to boil over and scientists mapping the seafloor under the so-called Doomsday Glacier in Antarctica make a discovery the amount of water that we can get from the deportation right underneath that shelf melted is actually higher than we previously thought those stores more today year on the world. Her I'm Marco Werman, you're listening to the world. Good to have you with us. We begin today's show at the bottom of the world. thwaites glacier in. Antarctica has a nickname, the doomsday glacier because it's the biggest wildcard on earth for the future of sea level rise it's melting faster and faster research published. This week shows that Water Valley's leading up to the glacier are much deeper than previously thought, which means it might melt faster still the world's environment correspondent Carolyn Bieler explains why On a foggy morning in February of Twenty nineteen scientists gathered giddily on the top deck of a research ship just off the coast of Antarctica. Doing stuff for them or now after a month at sea, they'd finally reached the front of tweets glacier, a wall of ice six or seven stories tall was right there. It's just the front edge of a glacier, the size of Florida that stretches hundreds of miles inland into Antarctica. Larter from the British Antarctic survey was on deck. We've been telling everybody. This is where rapid changes really happening and we're actually starting looking at the business rapidly changing three stabilizes the entire West Antarctic ice sheet slowing the river of ice that's constantly flowing out to sea and tweets is melting fast. If it were to disappear, it could push global sea levels up about two feet and trigger much more melting. This was the first time humans had ever sailed along the front of the glacier. Chief Mate Rick Wind Ken was navigating carefully along its craggy front. The thing here is to just keep a safe distance away from the glacier edge. And still able to get them their first swath of multibeam data when he says multi beam. Data that comes from sonar sound waves used to chart the seafloor as the ship sailed along the front of the glacier. It knocked the bottom of the underwater topography there for the first time. UNCHARTED, data for the scientists here. Several decks below one of those scientists was in the scientific command center of the. British Antarctic Survey Marine Geophysicist Kelly Hogan looking not portholes glacier, but at a computer screen, making sure that sonar hanging away capturing all the underwater valley's underneath the ship. So one of our primary goals is to look specifically at some of those deep channel areas and try to map out where they get close to wait scientists thought those channels served as a pathway for warm water sinks to the bottom of the sea floor, sending it towards the glacier and is thought to be one of the major culprits for melting at thwaites. This week the results of Hogan and her whole teams research from aboard the ship have finally been published. They mapped out a network of deep connected channels that lead right the glacier. So we actually found that they were several hundred meters deeper than we thought they were if you mentioned stacking the Statue of Liberty on herself, three times over sitting in her office in Cambridge in the UK Hogan? Told me today. That's important because the warmest water in Antarctica thinks to the bottom of the sea floor and what that really means is that the amount of water that we can get close to wait. To melted is actually higher than we had previously thought that is not good news for the fate of tweets and there's more part of the glacier lifts off the seafloor and it floats a plane flew over that floating portion of the ice to map the seafloor underneath it and found the deep channels continue. Here's Tom Jordan and aero geophysicist at the British and Arctic survey be flew up and down, and we are actually measuring the strength of the gravitational fields. So we can tell these big channels really continue that means they could deliver warm water right up to worth weights, lift off the seafloor. Another piece of early evidence suggests not only could this happen, but it looks like it is happening a team of scientists including David. Holland from new. York University this past winter drilled through the floating part of ice to measure the water underneath it and the big takeaway was, what is the water temperature they suspected? It would be warm and it was when all is said and done and we make our measurement, we find the water temperature to be at zero degree Centigrade. And for glacier that's a very untenable situation that means the glacier is going to indeed melt rapidly as it's carved out from below the glaciers underbelly will lose contact with more of the seafloor and act less like break for the ice flowing off the continent as it does that more and more of tweets we'll into the ocean pushing up sea levels knowing the contours of the underwater channels Kelly Hogan just mapped will help scientists figure out how much and how fast weights. Will, change or coastlines. So now we have a really good baseline data set that tells us how big these channels are, how why they're how deep there, and therefore we can go ahead and make those calculations and observations of how much water can get under the ice and melt it work on tweets has largely been put on pause to the pandemic scientists. Hope they may be able to send a small team to the ice this upcoming winter for the world I'm caroline. The images from parts of California are enough to make you shudder the flames driven by gusty winds are choking this state and smoke nash more than two dozen wildfires turned the California skies into a sick shade of orange in Butte County. Will S-. Lesser had to evacuate is home. Couple cars came up with your blue lights and they're weird sirens and they just said everybody out fires in Oregon and Washington are burning to Canada sent several dozen firefighters to help out Melanie Mojase with still a forest firefighting organization in Quebec. So they left last Wednesday they have a fourteen day deployment on the fire line. They are currently in the Plumas National Forest, which is in Northern California? Have you heard from any of them? How have they described the conditions they're working under? So we get daily reports, everything is going quite well the work that they're doing is appreciated it's hard work but again, this is what they went there to do. They've had challenging whether in the last few days in their work has been adjusted accordingly or these volunteers I mean, how how do they prepare for these kinds of missions? So in candidate, they are no volunteer wildland firefighters, firefighters belong to Provincial Organization in Quebec. We were able to respond with sixty firefighters that were available. They are paid it is seasonal work they are trained. They do this after year many have been doing this for many years. They've done it across Canada and even just last winter many went to Australia to help out as well. For the California mission, how did you select the sixty firefighters who win? The ones that do get to go after have passed their fitness tests in the beginning of the season than there were certain requirements as to training and also bilingualism. So yes, if there's a need for more I imagined that we can send more, but that is on a if needed basis. Do the Canadian firefighters work independently or are they mixing together American firefighters anybody else's coming in So. This year is particularly year because of e current pandemic, there definitely would be more cooperation if we weren't in the pandemic to mitigate the risk to covid nineteen, sixty firefighters from Quebec are being treated a bit as as in a bubble. They do have one of interaction with a few California representatives that are there for training and for safety and for guiding purposes on the ground. But as for lodging and meals and their general day to day activities, they are within their own bubble and there's not as much cooperation as there have been on previous missions. Melanie morale with soap for that's a forest firefighting organization Quebec Melanie. Thank you very much for speaking with us and thank you very much with the help you're sending us down here. Thank you. The pandemic has slow the global economy in a big way and that means the demand for energy has gone down to. So that's good news for renewables right in the EU a record forty percent of the blocks electricity's came from renewables in the first half of this year today on the big fix were answering one of your questions about how solar technology is changing. We have come here to let you know that change is coming whether you like it or not. Can we turn this around to have no other option the only option we have these sixteen What we do now. And in the next few year. Will profoundly affect. The next few thousand, years. The world's environment producer customers here Anna who's listener in what's their question you're tackling this week Hey Marco today we hear from Steve Smith, he lamps in Portland Oregon I listened to the world on Oregon Public Broadcasting K OPB FM Steve, says, he knows that solar has gotten a lot cheaper, but he wants to know if the technology has also improved, my question is, are there any technological advances are making solar panels not only cheaper but better as in producing more power with smaller arrays thanks for much good questions. So first of all Anna is right has solar gotten a lot cheaper Steve is absolutely right. The price of solar has dropped eighty to ninety percent. In the last ten years, there's been a lot of investment and improving the way that panels get made and a much bigger demand, which is allowed the production to get a lot more efficient. There's much bigger economy of scale which makes it cheaper to make each solar panel. So price has gone down what about Steve's question? Though have solar panels actually also gotten better to Steve Specific Question Solar Cell Technology has improved around twenty five percent in the last decades. However, some of the biggest improvements solar technology haven't been in the panels themselves. Here's Chris Route. Shirt, he's a solar expert at sunrise and that's the US's largest home solar company. Really the innovations have been in all of the things surrounding the solar things like the racks that are used to put panels on top of roofs, the machines that convert the energy coming into the panels into energy that your home can use. But the biggest improvements says, Roscher, have been in the batteries batteries have gotten cheaper, but they've also gotten smaller and more efficient, and there has been some really unbelievable improvements in the software and the brains that control the batteries as well and a system as a whole able to capture. And store a lot more energy for longer, and it has this technology allowed for more solar to pop up on whom roofs around the world. Yes. So the better technology and particularly the cost has helped small solar projects expand around the world. It's helped to create thousands more solar powered microbes. These are these small isolated grins at don't need to be connected to the larger grid about half of them globally are solar powered but even though they are coming down in price a lot, it doesn't mean they're affordable to those that need them most. Here's Takahiro Kawahara. He's from Bloomberg's Green. Energy research arm even do. Solar gets cheaper and cheaper throw the prospect of Davis over the rural consumers and the over Salah Michael is too expensive Kawahara, desperado report microbes that looked at their use in poorer countries like Uganda Nigeria Indonesia and the Philippines and some other countries where this technology is really taking off and he says besides cost coming down the most important advancements for these poor countries is policy. These countries have improved their systems of regulations and subsidies which have allowed micro grids to bring city too many places that have previously not had it. So the technology getting better and the cost coming down are important. He's. Another really essential part of it is government support regulation. So Anna just to get back to Steve's original question solar panels are a bit better everything else surrounding the panels has gotten a lot better more efficient and price has gone down, but it still comes down to that cost Mike, Risen solar power getting to the people who need it most. You've got to have it subsidized somehow, right? Yeah Marco. That's exactly it the world down a customer. Thanks so much. You Bet if you've got a question for our environment desk to report on sending us an email to climate at the world dot Org. You're listening to the world. This episode is brought to you by better help if you're struggling with stress or anxiety or depression better help online counseling offers licensed professional counselors who are trained to listen and help simply fill out a questionnaire to get matched with your counselor and start communicating online via secure video chat or text in under forty eight hours. 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So you can focus on your cause, go to nation builder dot com slash PX, start a fourteen day free trial, and get an additional month of service free I'm Marco Werman this is the world a few years ago in Guatemala, the a radical experiment, a citizen back movement aimed to root out corruption in the highest levels of government the United Nations back the project at got off to a strong start a prosecutor from Columbia named Yvonne Velazquez got involved. He worked with Guatemalan officials to bring corruption charges against more than one hundred. Officials including a sitting president but just as investigations appear to be gathering steam, the trump White House made sure the project was shut down. It now appears that a quid pro quo was at the heart of the deal that's according to a new investigation by our partners at the Center for investigative reporting reveal reveals a young CDs. Cortes joins us from Berkeley to start off on a UNSEE. Tell us about Yvonne. Velazquez. Some of called them the Robert Mueller of Guatemala I don't know if that's the best analogy but you sat down with them who is he and what did he set out to do? Yvonne Velazquez is someone who in Columbia went after the Administration in Columbia for links to corruption in paramilitary groups he worked in the supreme. Court he's a pioneering prosecutor a crusader in Latin America, and shortly after he arrives in what he does something audacious, he wired tops the president then President Auto Molina and finds deep ties to corruption and recommend that he go before a judge and he's he throws him in jail. Is kind of left without a president I mean it's kind of a complicated arrangement and you asked, Velazquez, if he had any idea what he was getting into when he started this anti corruption campaign in, Guatemala here's what he told you and the Joan Nausea we We spit over the last describes himself as someone who hadn't left Columbia didn't really have intention of leaving, Columbia so. In reality, I had no idea how complex the situation would be. So the Obama Administration and then Vice President Joe Biden were big backers of this commission when he was President Obama sent Biden. Several Times offering millions in aid that was tied to the fight against corruption. Here's the deal. We believe that there's a lot more we can and should do in the United States to deal with the root causes of this problem. And with the US and UN back in the anti corruption. Commission made real progress in prosecuting wrongdoing trying to spotlight on bribes taken by Guatemala's president and many others but then. Say You bring us two thousand sixteen. There was the changing of the guard in Washington with arrival of trump and in Guatemala with this new president. Jimmy Morales he's a celebrity right wing populist who rose to power with no experience government is going to sound familiar to Americans before becoming President Morales also had a weekly comedy show. Stopping Mustn't seemly they'll work for the Democrat. What's going on here? What was Jimmy Arousa show about? Jimmy Morales is someone who the whole opening of his show is him. On a flying carpet in the span of minutes, he makes fun of indigenous people. He makes fun of Afro Wasserman's He dresses up in black-faced as a clown as he's telling this joke about the female anatomy and this this crew jokester comedian very famous in water ma that kind of rises to power from the stardom and becomes the president. But then Velazquez Starts Investigating Morales campaign funding that doesn't go over well Velazquez. Gets kicked out of Guatemala. How does that happen as Alaska's church to investigate them rallies family more he finds. Irregularities in campaign financing, and he starts to go after him for that. He demands that Morales and his family stand before a judge, and this is what Morales is not going to have that and he declares him better tone on rat out and Morales appears on national television with the military behind him and sense gps with mounted artillery to the commission's offices to circle the offices and effectively kick Velazquez out in a year later completely shut down the commission to the point that the building is scheduled to be demolished this year well. Now, this is where we get to the heart of your investigation anc you and others at reveal have determined that Velasquez the the crusading anti-corruption prosecutor was tossed out of Guatemala. It was part of a quid pro quo with the trump White House, a favor granted in return for something. What did you find right? What Velazquez alleges in what the timeline shows in the lobbing documents that correspond to that timeline show is that after this bit Sonangol on rata speech that happens You see a change in Washington. You don't see that support for the commission anymore you see Nikki, Haley Com to water Malla and tell Velazquez, you need to tone it down and not be in the paper everyday. Now a few days after that, we see Nikki Haley had a pack which Morales announcing that along with the move of the United States embassy to Jerusalem Water Malla was the first country to follow suit and move the watermelon embassy to Jerusalem as well this. Is what brings them together and what Velazquez talks about he will coming back to him and describing Morales staying to trump you know you have muller in the United States I have Alaska's in what Emma, get Yvonne Velazquez in the commission out of my hair in exchange for a piat migration policy into what the Malla. So just make that plane what was the nature of the quid pro quo between trump and Morales? You have found to be clear there is no smoking. Gun or at least not yet that we've found, we have done a lot of investigating we are deep in this timeline. But what Velazquez alleges is that throughout this, the quid pro quo was get Yvonne Velazquez in the commission out of my hair in exchange from open door migration policy into what my life from the trump administration to them rallies administration and what the time line says shortly after is that then the safe third party agreement is signed and we see Morales in. DC At the White House and trump calling this relationship terrific and tremendous. The US State Department has also told you. There's no evidence of quid pro quo regardless president trump now seems pretty pleased with relations with Guatemala. We've had a tremendous relationship over the last two years on the border water mollahs been terrific. We've signed agreements with Guatemala that have been tremendous in terms of really both countries. Excellent. So where does this leave anti corruption efforts in Guatemala and all the Guatemala desperate to flee their country for a decent life somewhere else Exactly Marco where that leaves is that Jimmy Morales is no longer president this year in January twenty twenty Alejandra Jemma Day is now the president of what they Ma and you know a lot of people talk about this taking the country back decades since this commission was kicked out of the country, we kind of ever seen a return to the way things used to be what Amal's new President Alejandro. Day. has deep ties to drug mafias to former military officials. I. Mean he used to oversee the prison system and the commission came after him for illegally killing prisoners, and since he took office twelve human rights, defenders have been killed in Water Malla and others have had to flee the country. So it's really kind of a return to the past in some ways to the time of like a military strongman in what my lap and it's a really scary time for a lot of. At the same time, there is this sense that the commission was set up to embolden and to create a sense of of culture around constitutional line that now it's watermelon civil societies turn to demand accountability and to lead anti corruption efforts. On, the Court of reveal at the Center for investigative reporting, she's been speaking with us about an apparent quid pro quo that brought Guatemala's anti corruption project to an end on a Yancey. Thanks so much for your time. Thank you so much mark. Thanks for having me. More stories from around the globe still coming your way you're listening to the world. Today's episode is brought to you in part by Nova, now a new BI weekly podcast diving into the science behind the headlines from the PS. 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I'm Marco Werman your with the world from PR wrecks and GBH riots erupted overnight in Columbia's capital Bogota hundreds of people turned out in the streets after a video of a man being assaulted and repeatedly taste by police was widely shared. The man later died in police custody the protest last night got violent and at least seven people were killed the world's Latin America correspondent. Jorges Valencia has been following the story here. What do we know about the original incident that sparked these protests? Hey Marco the incident centered around a man his name was have yet or done. He was in his forties. He had two kids. He was a lawyer by training and made a living driving a taxi. And on Tuesday night, he was drinking with some friends at a private residence and then they went out to procure more alcohol, and that's when they ran into two police officers, and that is where the video comes from and I wanNA play you about fifteen seconds of this video but I just want you to know. Markelle. Ahead of time that we're about to hear is very disturbing. Or Hey. What's going on there? What we just heard was how yet laying underground being pinned down by two police officers and he is begging them please stop please stop Then you hear the Taser and then you hear the person who's recording the video telling the police officers he is telling you to stop why are you still doing this this video last more than two minutes and I counted maybe about a dozen times that the police officers taste him, I didn't go back and get a more. figure, because honestly, just the first time that I was watching, it is an absolutely repulsive video makes you sick to your stomach? So another case of violent police behaviour on tape how exactly did this lead to these riots overnight? While the following day on Wednesday a hobby, it is family called for a vigil in their neighborhood, which is where this happened. It was it's a western district of the city it's called and got the I. It's near the airport and it was peaceful whole about. and. Then at nightfall is when people started protesting outside of the police post where hobby was taken to they started smashing the windows and then from there, it just erupted and spread to other parts of the city, and in the end seven civilians were killed about two hundred and fifty people were injured and fifty of them were injured actually by gunfire. So it's still being debated who was firing but many witnesses say that it was. The police officers who were drawing their arms what's been the response from officials in Bogota? The mayor of Bogota cloudy Lopez she was in equivocal and saying that she believes that this is not an isolated incident that this is a symptom of systematic issue what the police not only in without but also in Columbia and then also the country's defense minister said, yes, this is a problem but also the protests themselves generate new problems. I mean it's always hard to assess the momentum of protests especially when they get violent but do you expect that they're going to continue? Do you do you have a sense of the level of anger and Bogota? I I think people are very angry. There's some parallel that we can see with what happened with George. Floyd in the United. States. Now have you done? This is not Colombian, he is mystique. So I am and like most people in Colombia are but this is a case in which police officers were recorded. Holding their knees to a man who is very clearly showing that that he's being submissive and The other pair allow is is the pandemic book without the Mayor Gloria Lopez has been very strict and very proactive in physical isolation measures people have been locked in for most of the last six months even through August M- many sections of the city were on very strict lockdown. So the city seems to be I. It seems to be like like a pot of hot water that is starting to boil over. So is it going to continue? It seems like a and and the police at the very least seem to think that it is because overnight the police called police officers from from from other cities of the country hundreds of police officers. So I think that this is this is volatile situation and and it's it's likely to continue. We'll keep watching closely the world's Latin America correspondent Jorges Valencia. Thanks very much. You Walk Marco. When police in Rochester New York apprehended Daniel prude back in March, he was going through a mental health crisis not long after prude was subdued by officers he was dead police say he died from complications of Asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint. Rochester police chief in command staff resigned this past week experts say though up to a quarter of people killed by police officers have some sort of mental illness. Another sobering statistic about forty percent of adults with serious mental illness will come into contact with the criminal justice system during their lifetimes. So do we need to rethink policing and mental illness in America One city that has? Already done that is capital Stockholm since two thousand fifteen, a mental health ambulance has been on hand to deal with emergency psychiatric issues. Andre, Carlberg is the managing director of North Stockholm Psychiatry and he helped create the mental. Health Ambulance service their Andre is what kind of cases is the mental health ambulance US foreign? Stockholm. So when we started this project in two, thousand, fifteen, the main. First priority case while suicidal behavior. But in reality, we now deal with the quite broad spectrum of psychiatric disorders everything from acute psychosis, delusional behavior with agitation as serious suicidal behavior, and when an individual is in a situation like this and somebody calls you are they calling the police that they calling the mental health ambulance? How're you alerted? What will happen is common number. The alarm center that we'll take the call from maybe the public or the patient or relatives, or whatever, and then they will dispatch the psychiatric ambulance and in some cases also the police. So they will decide whether this is a case for the catch emergency services. And how is generally the mental health ambulance staff whose inside when it shows up and typically what's the routine? The the last is stuffed with three people. So two nurses that are specialist in a psychiatric care, and then there is also a ambulance driver with the specific knowledge of ambulance services on the -mergency services in the region. So the service mental health ambulance has been operating since two thousand fifteen. Why was it created while they were actually two issues one was that the? Patient and the patient organization felt that they didn't receive the proper medical assessment because they were usually dealt with by the police and the police was frustrated because they felt they had to deal with issues that they didn't have the proper training for and didn't have really have the time to spend on. So I would say that was two of the main factors that motivated off to start this product. You have no doubt her the calls to defend the police in the US. What a lot of people are really talking about is reallocating resources to city departments that can do jobs like mental health care that police may not be trained to do. So did Stockholm have that debate when the mental health ambulance was proposal as it about deviating resources from the Police Department to another department? No. Not really because this ambulance wasn't about taking sources from the police to the moon psychiatric services, but at the same time that police felt an. or steel feeling but less so that a lot of the resources are used to deal with psychiatric patients outside in the public. So this was something that they raise them. Felt that was a really big problem for them in cases where police do accompanied the mental health ambulance staff is it for what kind of cases is for violent cases? Yeah. So in about fifty percent of the cases that the Amblin stayed with, there will be a corporation with police. In some cases, the patient can have a history of violent behavior and that would be a reason for bringing the police with them and sometimes they're police is. Also dispatched by the along center along with psychiatric cameras. But in most of the cases, the police can leave. The patient would be taken Carol fully by the stall in that ambulance. So, what's been the overall effect of having the Psychiatric Ambulance in Stockholm? First of all, if looked from the patient's perspective that patients have felt that there's less stigma of having these problems. The quality of the care provided outside the hospital setting has increased because now, they are taking carol by train healthcare professionals instead of the police also that police has communicated that they feel that this is a big relief for them because they now have access to healthcare professional in in the pre hospital setting that can in most cases deal with these patients and take care of them in a proper way. Previously, when the police handle that, there would always take these patients to the ER. Now, we can left about thirty percent of the patients after being assessed by the nurses said, they can stay at home and we provide them with contact with outpatient clinic and prepare them. So they can have a proper follow-up in outpatient setting. So the ambulance said, it's been in place in Stockholm since twenty fifteen is there just one or several ambulances. Now is just Stockholm, the product start in two, thousand fifteen, but after by one. It was decided it should be a regular part of the emergency medical services in the region. So there's one amber lands in Stockholm. Operational. From two o'clock in afternoon two o'clock at night that's where we have most of their alarms coming in. The Orissa room for another ramblers in the region but it's hard to find proper stoff with right knowledge. But Hindi, near future we might start another one Andreas Carlberg is the managing director of North Stockholm Psychiatry has been speaking to us about the mental health ambulance. Stockholm. Has Been using instead of police to deal with emergency psychiatric situations. This is really interesting. Andreas. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're welcome. Whether it's police brutality in Bogota or psychiatrists in Stockholm. Now, attending to cases that police there used to deal with the world helps you understand how problems in policing injustice are dealt with around the globe and how all that connects back to our own communities here in the US. If you want to explore these stories more deeply visit us at the World Dot Org. The rising tension between the US and China is playing out among other places at American colleges and universities. The trump administration has taken aim at at what's known as Confucius Institutes. These are chinese-funded cultural and language programs set up on college campuses. Administrators find themselves caught in the middle some say academic freedom itself is at stake. The world's Rupa. Shenoy reports lots of countries have centers in the US that promote their culture and language, but the Confucius Institutes China launched in two thousand and four are embedded within US universities. The Chinese government provides funding and in some cases has a say in who the teachers are and. What they teach it. Then really difficult to have at our universities that our schools here, the Chinese government basically represented on campus and forwarding in many cases. Direct Propaganda Canadian Tibetan lodden Tatung directs the Tibet Action Institute. It's been helping students organized against Confucius Institutes for years they say China uses the institute's to surveilled Chinese dissidents and suppressed discussion of topics. China considers controversial like leaguers, Taiwan, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama. They got the University of Massachusetts Boston closed its Confucius Institute in Twenty Nine Thousand Nine I think the Russian influence on the US the US election I think people understand more that foreign governments can actually Influence hearts and minds in the United States and other countries in a way that can have meaningful and perhaps long-lasting in damaging results. But even taking has been surprised by the recent dramatic escalation in the state. Department stance on Confucius institutes if all of head-spinning, how quickly things are happening last month the State Department designated the Confucius Institute US Center in DC a foreign mission requiring it to report its activities and funding than last week Secretary of State Mike Pompeo got. From Fox News host Lou Dobbs at last count, there were seventy five of the so-called Confucius Institutes in K. through twelve A. Colleges and university campuses how many will there be by the end of this year I hope the answers zero low I think everyone's coming to see the risk associated with them in the recruitment of spies and. Collaborators, inside of those institutions, these institutions can see that and I'm hopeful we will get them all closed out before the end of this year not clear. What power pump peyot has to make that happen Edward mcchord says, the US government has no evidence of undue Chinese influence on campuses. He's a professor emeritus that the George Washington University and he helps set up their Confucius Institute. The rationale for is just all wrong. They talked about them being propaganda classrooms and a malign influence on campuses. There's just no proof of that. Whatsoever. I think they just want to do something anti Chinese. That's a common theory. Marshall Salins was one of the Confucius institutes early, academic opponents his activism led his school, the University of Chicago to close its institute in two thousand fourteen. This course about computers institutes changed from a question of intellectual freedom to espionage, and this became a right wing American cars, and while sahlins agrees that Confucius institutes should closed. He says closing at the behest of the US government is problematic. There are learning American government interfere in the curriculum about what can be caught. which was exactly the same kind of totalitarian relationship of the state to the institutions that the Chinese sale the spokesman of the Confucius Institute us. Center in DC the one that's been designated a foreign mission says, this is all a misunderstanding. Throwing out these accusations but a quick fact check shows the just not the case Eric Egging says, he speaks from personal experience. He took classes at George Mason University's Confucius Institute in Virginia, before graduating in two thousand eighteen, there have been programs that featured the Dalai Lama at universities that house capricious goint did the Confucius institutes try to intercede or pressure them not to hold these events there's been confusion since two events that cover topics like to bed or other things that might seem critical to the Chinese government. So egging says, students across the US shouldn't be deprived of classes. They wouldn't otherwise have access to very tragic that this kind of misplaced frustrations are. Going after a language program instead of being applied to areas that there are disagreements between our two countries, making sense people need to be able to communicate with each other regardless of their differences or disagreements. For the world. I'm Rupa Shenoy. Re traumatizing moment in. Beirut. Today a little more than a month since that terrible explosion at the city's poured again at Saint Port today a huge fire sent a column of black smoke across Beirut skyline. Last month's explosion at the port killed more than one hundred ninety people and destroyed whole sections of Lebanon's capital. It was not clear right away what started today's fire apparently oil and tires being stored there fueling the blaze authorities tried to reassure the public. There was no danger of another explosion but people are in shock says, go Raymond. He's with the group Care Lebanon all the city was in the state of panic and the city Regan Smith is still bound own. Raymond points out that many Lebanese were already struggling financially even before the port explosion because of the country's economic crisis, he says, he was relieved late this afternoon when firefighters appear to bring the fire under control, they're still a massive amount of work though to help people in. Lebanon recover from one crisis after another musicians have been making their own contributions to the recovery efforts since that explosion on August fourth, the World Bank a Hillier has been listening in. Lebanese singer Dede Fox was sixteen hundred miles from Beirut when the calamitous explosion happened. Didi was in Dubai but her family was back in Lebanon our house is. The away from the explosion, it was like. Hard to believe that this actually happening Didi was relieved to learn her family was out of the city at the time and was safe, but their homes were badly damaged. was material. All the windows blew up all the glass was shattered and. The same for my house, my grandparents house my uncle's house. Everybody there deedee Fox's life usually revolves around music her success in the UAE led to her becoming the first middle. Eastern female to place on U S Billboard Charts. But in the weeks immediately following the blast, the Popstar wasn't thinking about writing song she was fundraising and sending money to local Beirut businesses who needed support seeing the aftermath was really traumatizing. So I was really thinking about music I was thinking, what is your the GonNa do at this point they really need immediate. An Urgent House that help is still needed an estimated three hundred thousand people remain without a home. But now about one month after the blast musicians like dd Fox are starting to sing. and. Seen. In a new song called little girl dd Fox and other Lebanese musicians relay a message of hope for Beirut. The lyrics tell the story of a child who's dreams have been shattered but is told to not be scared because Lebanon will rebuild. Along. Producing. The song and music video was a family affair dis father wrote the lyrics. Her cousin appears as the little girl in the video and her sister edited the whole thing together it was also the first time dd Fox has released a song in her mother tongue Arabic definitely out of respect and are distributed. In DVD's tribute. Song isn't the only musical addition to the recovery efforts in Beirut Lebanese. Australian singer, she ha- bob got on a song the very night of the blast. Emotions and familiar way to purchase more emotions start writing within a week to Bob release a song and. Video called Lebanon. I. Love You. Make. The non. You. Know You Know if you. Are they know you notice that the lyrics there say I hardly know you to Bob was raised in Australia and only moved to the Middle East a few years ago to reconnect with his roots he lives in Dhabi now and says Lebanese nationals living abroad have been the one connecting with his track especially from these trading Lebanese community, they seem to really identify with lyrics. Another song put out the Port Bay ru comes from Lebanese, composer, Guy Manoukian who teamed up with American Haitian musician why cleft John to produce a song called immortal. Prominent. Singer Hollywood also released a tribute track its title translates to her name. Beirut. Profits from that song will be donated to. Lebanon's Red Cross. But performers themselves need support to forty two ball is a Lebanon's musician and founder of to fork recording studios in Beirut. He was at tuned forks office less than a mile from the port. At the time of the explosion we were having this in the living room, and then we heard the big noises end in the mother of second we saw the huge mushroom door crushed. It was made of laws and almost everything in the living room got to destroy their plus. LUBAR APOCALYPTIC Tobel says everyone inside was okay and the studios recording rooms were unscathed because of their reinforced walls but other artists are facing serious loss. So to ball created the Beirut musicians fund. So I was like I'm GONNA do a comprehensive list of all the years these people lost to ball is trying to replace musicians instruments after so many were damaged by the blast he's raised about seventeen. Thousand dollars so far halfway to his goal, but to ball is expecting artists who lived through the blast to turn out any sort of tribute song soon, he says, he questions the ethics behind such tracks sometimes, it feels like using a situation to get your name out there. So it's weird but at the same time on the other hand, if you're big name and you're doing that it actually. On the map and it's important not to normalize all the best tuition that happened. So it's kind of a double edged sword. popstar Dede Fox isn't collecting any profits from her tribute track and singer Jihad to Bob Directs people to donate at the end of his music video. They say their songs are about bringing people together to heal. Tomorrow says, watching artists support each other from within Beirut and around the world has been refreshing. It's nice to see everybody like just trying to help each other out there it's. Beautiful. For the world I'm being Kelly. happened. The world comes to you from Anan Bill Harris Studio at Gbh in Boston can find us anytime online the World Dot Org I'm Marco. Werman stay strong stay safe. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Or?

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Crew Show: All about PCOTY

The Smoking Tire

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Crew Show: All about PCOTY

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to buy back his old cadillac that he had sold a couple of years ago and now he's i got it back we've got construction updates and we're basically going through all that stuff and also i haven't really done show since carl died so we're probably talking about karl because i just did that intro last time and a lot of good things i mean other than carl actually dying but there's been a lot of love it's been great and so that's been that's been comforting all right mean vinnie in studio podcast it's it's the mother fucking smoking tire podcast we live i have been on the road for two entire weeks and so we really haven't done a real show in a while vinnie russo in the studio ooh fresh off the return trip buying back his old cadillac now that is delightful as cool gives us a picture of the fucking the sixty five th is a sixty five or sixty sixty five sixty five yeah the vinnie vinnie's cadillac is so vinnie like this is the most of any any russo car because it really it's tasteful but it really brings out your floor dennis and hinted guido with a hint lido and a slice of gumbo and a hint of st- when you drop it on the bags tell me tell the people who aren't looking at the photo about your cadillac a us us white sixty five calais which is basically it's a two version of the coupe deville so i had bought the same length as the four door versions the few inches longer than a chevy suburban but it's a two door when a picture that i think the mike estimated quarter panels or about eight feet long is it shorter or longer longer than the dates than like the daytona it's actually might that was one of the things mike was looking it's actually a little bit longer than daytona daytonas gac like little over two hundred inches inches and this this is a little over that tony was like two oh two yeah i saw it wouldn't fit in his garage in the daytona fits in his garage garage and it won't fit in my garage i mean will it will but turns my four car garage into a three car garage it takes it takes up more than have like a west side like like it needs a tandem it might actually don't know if it will fit on the racks although i'm hoping you drive it enough that it won't we won't have to drive it a lot of this whole thing is it's not a show car it's a it's a good ten-footer its original means fifty however in fifty four years old and it's all other than the bags and the wheels that got from detroit steel wheels ride tech bags everything else is there and it all works so i pulled up the stock one stock one profile fan the more of the the philadelphia show law so long and also yours i mean holy shit to the wheels make a difference difference wheels extort extort and the height i mean it's at the right stance eight body trunk that's delightful back in the day hannah went to went to dinner with vinny in this and we went to go by the million mile lexus florida and man you roll out to dinner in this fuck and fire there is all the shows that i go to no matter where you bring that car it's it's it just stops traffic so i bought a few years ago and i i sold it to big chris from gas monkey garage because the audience knows big chris the audience no big chris chris is from england and was like a huge mo par drag racer the the UK which is odd but he was and he owned a very famous car to pocar yeah i think he owned the show what was can you find the contract napa drag car he recently relocated to remember what would it be yes or he moved to dallas and he's working with the gas monkey garage big tall goofy looking guy was was well he'll do a cameo on the show and so while fucking richard by the way as has happened so you know what happens we record the show typically we have conversations we go home a completely forget what we talked about and then like three weeks later my twitter twitter blows up with some shit and i go what is even about well we were talking about the thomas crown affair i don't know if you were here no and the thomas crown affair mustang do you remember when he goes to his private island and there he has a safari must shelby GT five hundred yeah i don't know if it's the original one but richard got to do because he rebuilt the replica a while is that has had that car for a really really long time back when we do the bull run with him he actually he's still had two car garage i didn't realize he's had it for that long it is the coolest if you're out to dallas between him and dennis collinses cars you you really need to take not just the gas monkeys dennis's personal cars enriches personal cars they got some cool stuff there richard has surprisingly good taste haste actually in stuff he really does i know that people don't like that black f forty they did yeah i thought like considering they started with a straight crashed ashed call on yeah or the or the bag for GT everybody was like oh my dad by wouldn't i mean that's definitely a look this is bro zach pulled picture i mean is there a better GTI hundred in the world then a fucking caged convertible safari GT not five hundred with some fucking big ass casey's on the bar so good kenneth spare on the on the trunk link that doesn't give credit i don't know what will i mean that's sir that is just the best isn't it yeah so who's phone is apps fucking rousseau i thought we always thought you turned off but you didn't i not didn't but yeah so that's fucking cool so big chris bought your respondent wouldn't fit in my garage and florida it was getting ruined even with the seven hundred hundred dollar car craft cover i put on and it was still the the salt air was starting to kind of get a little bit and i didn't want to ruin chris bought him and his wife picked it up in florida drove it the two dallas over four days and how did there for a couple years and he just really wasn't using it solely to another friend of his in chico which is just north of sacramento and that guy picked it up and then he drove it from dallas up there so this car is literally drew driven cross country with absolutely zero issues i picked got it up between driving it down to his house and then back down home another six hundred miles i put on sunday but did you pick it up turn the key driving again and that was it did absolutely nothing how many miles on it now one eleven how many sell it with one or two okay as good yeah so three thousand that was cross country so what does it mean doesn't eat anything now i'm going to go through to update a couple of things are going to talk to your friends over accu air and sea updating the trucks for the call reno dude so i yes i do yeah i mean i've got like i got a regular switch box in the air bag so i don't have all the fun electron executor can use i thought about doing that and then mob steel is gonna give me some updated artillery artillery wheels because those wheels that are on that car actually the very first detroit CO wheels that were available to the public i got the very first set so time to update it for a little bit new style and other anatomy gonna pimp the hell out of what is what's the new wheel look like detroit steeles steele it's got a little bit of a cutout around the edge i just little just a little notches give it a little bit of a more lucrative as smooth stick with black yeah yeah black with god is good i would say like you could also do the kind kind of like the color of the middle one well that they have the which which was that's the artillery different with little squares not quite wagon wheel as looking there's another one little squares that you could also do it like a dark gray down blue so but also do blue i mean you could actually have a picture of one with with done moon chrome it's think if it was a powder coat blue and it was not super blinking really dark blue maybe what what color is the interior seafoam green blue you wouldn't know seafoam green royal blue it's a lighter later you can picture that cadillac g. m. blue lighter as like okay pretty common color yeah it's fucking nice though it's a it's a good great driver it's just a cool car just to drive i can take it out now worry about you know somehow to ramp by accident i i i was by myself i couldn't videotape when i ran down the ramp complete because honestly no i ran full low i don't get all the way almighty god as low as i could get the car so i didn't have to open the gate anymore that i had to there's there's a story there so construction update it's going really well over there construction the the the gate to the basement is it's the kind of fucking gate security the gas heavy security gate but we we don't have power yet and so you know we have power that we're like tapped into the fucking utility poles for lights and stuff construction lights and tools but we don't like i don't have real power like like in a couple of weeks actually digging up the street to give me power because they have to run it underground yeah and so you know the gate is meant to have an electric motors no big deal except it's not connected yet so it has a hand chain that's like a emergency backup th the ratio is about five hall down is about a quarter of an inch movement at this time last night i had to open i had open at high enough to get like cayenne in there and it took me about two minutes and forty seconds of strength training it's a heavy geared so low crazy like yeah yeah so vinnie vinnie vinnie driving under the game with the caddy fucking slammed lamb does actually quite a practical thing to be doing your the other practicing with air bags in that this is really hard to steal the car steel wheels because you can't get a jacket underneath it so i had a lot of friends back in florida and south florida that they were just there bagging their trucks from the twenty four has got big just because you couldn't steal them just on the frame you'd have to break into the car figuring out you're ride works to steal the wheels and you just couldn't do it that's funny that'd be a security feature for like the ride companies if you can't use the app on your phone you can't let the car can they tell you either not really no strike frame the car right up if they tried wouldn't if if to- guy would probably get if you don't think you could boot that car either because i've got covers over the back wheel is the spat yeah you could put the front you only have boot one year but low i don't think you can get a boot in between the front fender maybe not if you can't be close someone tried who's got a boot three advice just do it but anyway so that was fun i must oh and he bought some new toys you get to see all his stuff in she bought at bronco din you've bronco yeah bronco but black it was pretty good he sent me a picture of it as as artists instagram yet no i don't think so why not because he's not done with it yet it fucking should be yeah it it was a nice like ninety something yeah late nineties mid nineties and it was great except it had them stupid ugly chrome mhm wheel arch things which is it on his instagram thinks oh no what we've got a better french out of the car uh of any scar great tana's driving back that's all the car needs it's easy to sit right and have some good deals you need to do anything else that's just awesome awesome dropping it like you know these are like the dog dish kind of hubcaps and white walls like all right i mean it's got such cool shape it's like really great presence yeah so so big so big it's like you don't see these a lot in LA because soho practical but if i averaged nine miles per gallon only on also why you don't see them very much yeah that's what was your cruising speed eighty five ninety eighty five ninety the carl do i've had it up to one ten that's about the fastest is out ever push that things like sketch like ninety eight eight eight nine depending on the traffic and stuff like that we took the one on one back and just kind of chilled but gas prices going up somebody asked me the gas mileage some what breaks aren't still drum brakes but that's actually i my list here there's there's a place here in LA that specializes in conversions for discs so i'm going to drop it off next week i'm taking it to the PAC event the porsche korean truant center this weekend next week i'm gonna drop it off and get the brakes done is it do they like probably something off like a modern pickup truck or something right sagacity spindle in a in a conversion over new you know all all new friends and stuff but basically swapped the spindle out and change the game we career driven drum brakes and we don't know which direction it's going or when it will stop yeah you get one good stop out of it and after that heat it up and you can't do anything it just sucks in traffic deal bullshitting real breaks do they use the same master cylinder and stuff too yeah i have to add a power booster to it but but that's it's hard on air conditioning works in the car i mean everything works that's that's great that's great i mean back he got that that's really cool the guy that orange truck no that's the guy who added yes so that had a that had four forty in it and this is like a judge pickup truck just slammed on like nascar or a supra front end grafted after into it won't the front coil overs AARP and everything is offering a supra on the front end of the hot rotting supra what was he doing ride quality really a sitting there perfect and he granted the whole front end from a super on there and it fit right where the frame was like yeah what yeah not a must have two friends coil overs on it and everything you do something like that do you then use a super like steering column in shat like do you thing a specific tire steering rackets depending on the angle you want to sit in your truck versus what the length of the truck hood stuff i i mean it's possible that fits you spent on the car yeah i fucking cooled guide truck you'll ever see it's hard to see from that picture but he's so wide it it would have been nicer if your caddy came back with a super frame one awesome internet concert is going to be like that trucks four man it's just the BMW oh man p cody performance car the year this past week yes well we can't talk about because i didn't talk talk to you about this was there yeah we can't i can't talk about how the c eight drives k. i could talk about things unrelated to how it drives getting super chat if you have questions about corvette but i won't answer the ones that talk about how it drives we can also we can talk about any other thing from p cody except who well i don't even know who won okay well i won't tell you i'll tell you after the show performance car the years twelve cars and and if let me see if i can fucking remember him here we go the corvette obviously there's one hurricane yvo mclaren six hundred lt lotus evora or a GT the new nine eleven career s the hyundai velociraptor and the supra new supra supra the m-2 competition the that can help me out with road and track instagram get down there we're talking about the top six every every time that we brought to the race track they're hurting brightness mo- GT are oh yeah the pico de twenty twenty what else what in other cars are there keep going keep going knysna GTRI on eleven zone that oh the miata RF and that one was a little that one kind of sucked because we really asked for a arse lexus our CFO condition was there we asked for a miata club soft top and we got the r. f. and there is a little bit of a difference supra did i think that is that all of them that i miss anything else that just going to cycle through cycle watching hurricane yvo so we did a day at thunder hill thunder hill west the smaller of the two tracks where we lap this shit and all these cars some of the manufacturers sent extra tires some mel themselves at least one extra satire tiresome the corvette team brought of a giant haller full of wheels and tires because he was a prototype car the prototype yeah so yes and no the corvette was built on the assembly line it was vin number nineteen it was not a hand built car i think they still call it pre production yes sir yes it was not in a final state of tune yeah and so the dual clutch gearbox tune wasn't final the the engine the ECU tune was not final and the mag ride tune wasn't final and they were extremely i was we were happy to have the car there and the GM team that was there like it was they wouldn't let it out of their sight literally like like all like we could do waiting wanted with the rest of the cars and we drive the corvette all we wanted to but like at night like they took it with them like and they they had to keep eyes on it all the time which i found very interesting so we're oh this because i got into this because of we were talking about supra the new soup rub and and when you have a BMW m. two and it's and a toyota supra and you get and you want to give them the other one you go oh my god this is such watch the super is like it's just like it's a BMW fully like fully like kemira lisa and sam smith without removing really anything found twenty eight BMW badges in the super i come parts and stuff including being the toyota badge on the nose has a BMW part number with the recall going on right now is recalled this toyota super which that's really that's hysterical i didn't know that that's very there is a seven or eight cars that got left with a potential seatbelt issues toyota that issued the recall always BMW that issued the recall that so interesting cars such a BMW and it's and it's on my second time driving it i liked it i thought it was pretty decent the first time around at the launch but i was also totally sold a bill of goods about the history and development of the communist yeah and i believed what toyota said and they were fucking line they were lying it's a BMW ad so revisited in that context it's a really cramped BMW and it's really it's very clinical in its operation cramped to compared to the z. four AM to compare rarely am to compare them to it offers a very similar driving experience but the MTA is available in a manual the has a back seat the MTA who has a bigger trunk i think the m two looks better and the 'em to as a much more roomy airy caviar yeah and i did i say it's available to menu it's manual which is a big deal because BMW makes a good manual solid gets a manual that make it at all and so the one thing the super has is a is a crazy loose front rear end loose loose loose little tires slighty and so and the the m to as much more grip we're the tire size is between the two because it can slide alive and we did some big drifts of course but i wonder if it has wider stickier tires than i think it might also but but it's easy it's when you if you want to slide them to you can if you want to stick the rear you also can whereas if you don't disable everything on the super it becomes very tail happy and and it makes you work a lot if you're really trying to go okay interesting the super like really i really heavily chilled on the supra like my my opinion of it was lowered substantially after doing this this test like i had much more fun the miata with the new engine that new orleans good engines spectacular yeah especially on a race track where you're keeping it up at the top of the power and it's like oh this thing wants to revenue away more meat to me more torque everywhere to rev it out yeah it's fucking great it does and the velocity and is a riot like that's like if you are upset that four four doesn't sell you a fiesta s. t. anymore look at lost her end with the downtown when we had that press car when when we the canyons and i was thoroughly surprised yes through good and i'm like dude kameda kameda is a very good driver and he's also he's he is the most him and chris harris and maybe some of sam but really it's it's it's it's comedian chris harris the tube are the two most like sensitive people i know into like what's going on with the car will drive something and come back and fucking yet the time in the car ten minutes ago comeback this fucking thing and go on a list of like ten things that are complete disaster and by the end of it will be like shit he's right right and then he you know he goes out and he runs really good times he's very fast so it's it's hard to argue with somebody's very fast faster than me you know something i don't know and so i have to listen to you i mean and i love jason working with him is really interesting because he can he can make you like something that you don't think you're gonna like and he can make you hate something that you like ten minutes and you absolutely salihi will learn all the things by the time you walk i've watched him be like my brain's foale can we just take a break never ending conversation with him and sam smith about whatever the fuck it was in the parking lot and it just like if you don't physically remove them they will just ramble at each other for like four hours they were they were they were discontinuing activate there's a difference between like nine one one nine one two and nine nine two steering feel tale like behavior understeer all these different things things and community was telling such details stories about like what he remembers about each little one what circumstance certain point sam was like i don't don't have the dictionary i'm a nerd and i've raised some stuff for your another level author memory nuance also one point we're talking about the aurora GT we all love orgy t t rules yeah it's it's it's not fundamentally that much different from the four hundred four ten but it's great on the less but but jason and some it was like i wonder what i thought about the adora in twenty ten when i drove it he pulled up a spreadsheet and read his fucking notes about it that he he made and it was like you know and but he's he his his nothing gets by him and so being able to work with him i'm and see because he's done so many of these big group tag things and i really haven't and so seeing how he evaluates stuff and what the thought processes it is and he goes okay now i'm going to go into this mode where i tear everything to shreds but the point of that whole fucking schmil was that i i think travis was in the mclaren lt when we're on we're on a fucking the route they picked was extraordinarily beautiful beautiful roads and and travis travis is upfront in the mclaren lt and kameda is so far up his ass in the veloce and we got there and and listen travis is fucking fast yet travis travis salmon jason are all the same speed on a race track and they're all about a second quicker than me which is or two quicker than everybody else yeah so i'm like in the middle of of guys solid place to be with that i'm fine i practice i do my best confine these guys are a little quicker okay but after the drive it was like travis was driving that mclaren not as as fast as the mclaren will go put as fast as a human being can process a back road bright that he's not he's never been on before right you know you could yeah you can banzai your favorite favorite road but strains road fast car okay stay on your side driving look a civilian sure but you're limited by the you're processing power more of that the the human yeah you can go justice fast up that road in velocity ranji cannon and mclaren i mean you really can t travis did not lose jason for a second and the rest of us were rife right there behind too i mean any one of these cars that we've got up to and including the miata i mean me and jason had a fucking walking run where i was in the nine eleven and he was in the miata and he at the end of it he was like a ferret who's just going miata pace ha and i was like to myself mobbing your lunatics after that you switched and bowman got me outta you like it was really nice uphill twisty the section before we went back down and bowman i was really surprised because i was in the nine eleven behind you guys and he was sticking with the aurora because it wasn't like a really fast high horsepower power road yeah and it really speaks to the miatas ability and how narrow it is you know you can make apex is in the lane you can't really do in most of the other cars they have a really wide car are you can't drive yeah remember when we used to film fucking tuned nothing would get away from the fiesta nothing five hundred car fiestas is right up it's ass nothing that would get away from it and so i think it was the same thing with the velocity particularly i mean the the gloucester in practices substantially angelique faster than the miata yeah especially in a canyon section where you're transitioning from slow to fast and it's not where you don't have the momentum you have on a race track on the racetrack thunder a west fuck me was that miata great it was perfectly geared for that track to be in like most third and fourth worth year and just flow through these things and you just go flat through everything and fucking swing the wheel around and it was loose exactly with their cars back to the picture what what else do we have what else what did you what were some of your thoughts on what you drove zach zach came and drove with us to the vora is i didn't drive anything on the track clarify that because i heard when i heard when the war was shifting on the track like the transmission moved around a little bit and it got hard to find the gates so this this is i i heard from sam also sam sam is the only other one who has the field me and travis and newish me and travis basically basically see eye to eye on almost every car jason jason and sam seymour i'd i on on cars and jason and sam were super are complaining about the gearbox i give lotus a little more credit than that it's not objectively compared to other gearboxes including including the miata and the velociraptor it's not as precise it's not as consistent i i thought it was on the street i found to be plenty precise veloce was good miata they're both felt similar but they both have a feeling of like a light they have a lightweight feel to them you know you have enough tackle sensations and know where you are and and it feels accurate accurate but the lotus felt like metal metal walls around the shifter clunk clunk the shift ball they had the metal shift like like all of that felt at seventy tents felt great yeah so real when you start shifting real fast it can get a little if you want i think i even found when i was running laps on this track days i would shift pretty gingerly okay wouldn't slamming not really no it's not it's not in the cars nature i didn't see i tested on a section road that didn't call for that also getting that car is way too tall really long way too tall so i was in i was in second in it i could have not shifted if i didn't really they want to yeah so i should have been two to three range gearing yet cars that talk jonah just doesn't make sense donner pasro that we went up like that whole road was second gear for me in that car yes second gear in that car i think goes to seventy three or something here it's it's it's you know what it's like is came in GT four yes the GD for accepting the the car has more torque so you notice it less because you get that super charger shove but it's basically that super super super long gear it's if you put a different final drive in that that was like if i don't know what it has but if it has a three twenty seven and you went to a three fifty five it would make all the difference in the so good reason they geared it so high like that top speed me and i think they wanted as maybe maybe i think they might can you do zero to sixty in first year in that car that might also be why i don't actually no i don't think so but it's still just one to shy so it still shifts that you you know possibly everyone agreed that the lotus could do shorter gearing but it but otherwise we were all like you know technology by lack of technology is pretty fucking cool scored real high in a lot for me like in a lot of categories comfort great seats are amazing i was like i was impressed with the door cards just in how they look in the quality for such a small company weird thing to notice but a lotta times you get in a small manufacturer car that might be a great driver and you go okay i see where they save money like yeah the the thing to decide you don't look at her touch mucho shirts plastic has like it was like nice pleaded swayed and had a good design in your it was at the right height for your arm parts of anybody else either so it's not you're looking at it and go like blinkers stocks are out of a focus certainty that's fine the evidence of cost cutting in korva at in the corvette i will not say anything about how it drives but i will say that the opening the door touching some things sitting in it it's still very much chevrolet you learned that one plus one equals two and one plus one does not equal it will three and if you sell a car for a certain price you're getting a car that costs that you're not getting some magical fucking beanstalk doc over here where you write a check for this much and the car you actually are delivered is worth this much but i think that's a very important thing for people to acknowledge because the corvette has always been a car that can compete with things that cost one to three hundred thousand dollars numbers times you're sick performance based whatever content quantifying performance and then they go how come it doesn't look very good i like because all because they have three hundred thousand dollars worth of car engineering and but they're gonna have to skip somewhere because uconn sixty grand yeah so i will say that it was comfortable i could drive it with a helmet on which is and not be touching it's hard for you which listen i i was impressed that a like a huge variety of different drivers of different sizes were comfortable after bowl yeah corvette even the smaller guys yeah you can you can have a smaller driver in there for sure which is also a hard thing in a corvette i mean just like you know for a lot of times for you getting in some of these other cars you know y- yeah i remember over the years you know your drive specially with downside but also with some of the bigger supercars guys exact size or smaller like they can't see over the steering wilson yeah just like that so i mean there are some of the some of the cars i i know that some of the guys like especially when i was over in italy five okay with wise too though there are some cars that are not meant for tiny people sure yeah most of the supercars i'm at the very upper end yeah but i can i like the mclaren i can try with the helmet no problem yeah those mclaren seats can you go back to my pull up my instagram the the HR geiger mclaren clarence seats which they are so these they come in different sizes which i learned these are the big ones so yeah i've it kinda joining american test at the launch they had a euro car with the fucking small ones and i was like you gotta be which was narrower the entire seat physically lee smaller and so these they had an getting in and out of this car was a fucking nightmare like when they took the roof fav helped a lot well yes dropping down into it helps a lot but there's absolutely no elegant way to get these seats at all and it actually kinda hurts climbing over that raw kind of hard carbon sell bruce from it a little bit but i have to give them credit once i was in it and started driving it that is an unbelievable seat i i am too narrow in the shoulders for the seat they had yeah so it actually helped me fine on the bottom but on the top i felt like i was sitting in my crown vic again he like no support whatsoever i was all over the place so i if you're if you're buying one of these cars ars or if you jump in one's someone's car and you think like oh these seats are terrible they're just sized wrong because it's like you said it's a totally fix seat yeah i don't know if they can add more padding adding depending on you measure you and they changed the patty then it's comfortable they were comfortable seats but i is on the track getting in the car with the roof up because it was a spider that sucks on the road i could plop down into it from above which made it much better but but even on the street st jude i did i did a really long transit stage i did a ninety minute transit stage in the mclaren and it was the end of the day and nobody wanted it everybody was so tired tired of the mclaren at the end of the day really yeah i i was there like taking okay yeah obviously you guys don't know how to set up a fucking mclaren because you put the the powertrain training track and the hand and the suspension in tour and it's the best and so once i was in that seat and i was like oh my god like i have no back pain like my legs or at exactly the right position for this like i can't move but i don't even want to and dan i actually kind of like a wedge myself in with my shoulders up against those shoulder deals fuck up a canyon and just my fingertips just on on the fingertips without having any tension on and i was like oh i get this this makes sense i mean that's why racing seats with harnesses are so good we we don't you may not realize people like when you're driving how much effort you're putting into the wheel to hold you in place and if you're trying to keep yourself at dead center but drive with a race even harnesses that really fits yeah yeah you feel the car so much more because you're not hanging on no and this is what those seats did but even then when we got on the highway just for the transiting i was just like man this this is a very comfortable especially with how well that car rides considering it's an LSD fucking rides so good we were lucky to be on i would i'd say smooth pavement that may have undulations in it because it was like mountain roads but at least the tarmac quality was really good and so it it might not soak up really hard edges that will but just little bumps in like undulations in the dirt underneath the road it was fine that car is magic yeah to drive but not as magic the seven twenty the only reason the car isn't the best is because i know that a seven twenty exists well where's the seven twenty better at even more magic more comfortable 'cause 'cause it's faster sturt and handles as well with less aggressive tires and it has that the magic sway bars so it has even more articulation and can be even softer a seven twenty s ride to me is only outmatched by a phantom it's literally rolls royce phantom mclaren seven twenty that's my order of best riding cars period and it goes pretty sharply downhill from there you know what rides fucking terrible that BMW i eight outside i'm shocked really yeah for a car that's like luxury personal luxury recoup kind of thing it does i wish it had like a soft mode like a dozen suspension tire wilton it's hard tires tires asia it's hard to hard edges plummer most disappointing car over like what car did go into the test going can't wait to get my hands on it and then the the biggest disappointment for me i mean you've was propping control almost all of them i mean i was the most excited for the corvette obviously and i i well you can't really can't say i i can't say how i felt about the corvette next next podcast but i know but and and that's i wasn't going to go to your question with that i i don't think i was disappointed with the corvette i think i think that well i don't want to get in trouble but i would that's not what i was talking about what i was talking about was the lexus are CF track edition which is a car i cannot possibly fathom why it even exists because you take i mean honestly you because you take our CF which is like all all right whatever right i this is still alive okay and then what makes it track additions well it's carbon ceramic brakes it's got a retuned suspension it's got a carbon fiber hood and it's got different wheels and different tires in a carbon fiber like body kit there it is now here's the thing ninety six thousand dollars so it's been grand juries mode did you hear me it's ninety six thousand thousand dollars the regular are CF is sixty eight thousand dollars this is a almost thirty k. premium would you say it's twenty five percent of the car the LFA is no i would say that for your same lexus dollar literally the same lexus dollar you you don't elsie five hundred beautiful touring car that is as well made is anything in the face of the earth and here's a good article apropos of this the CF normal normal one is sixty five grand the track is ninety six and five hundred right below it ninety two four k. less get the fuck outta here but what do you what are you paying thirty one thousand dollars carving matt paint which is really expensive yeah harbin ceramics way to really expensive and small volume carbon-fiber parts which are very expensive but like how much lighter than the regular fucking who cares cares enough it's not enough i mean maybe it's a hundred pounds i dunno it understeers like oh it was it it was not fun to drive now it's the most disappointing thing about this car i don't know if this car finished dead last in competition but it was at it was at the bottom nobody not really liked it nobody really found really redeeming qualities to it i forgot what i was gonna say oh sorry the most most anything is how great the engine and transmission are 'cause they're really nice the engine is so great it's like i'd it'd be my fuckin- doc and jam is if you put this lexus v eight right here in the back of that corvette that's my shit right there because the sound in front of a super the re or the front of the super oh my god happy great protracted dish v because of the reps is not is not driving impression to say that the corvette i i believe is the lowest revving mid engine car on production probably hero the other key is lois lamborghini red lines sixty seven hundred which is which which is very low i put up this just annoys video and everyone's trying to analyze my where my shift points because they don't show the gauge and the fact of the matter is oh oh did you lock make sure the video nicer them the fact of the matter is it's an eight speed close ratio transmission walk chevy and it's it's still small walk shopping yeah and so yeah it just it just it's sixty seven hundred RPM is the red line so yes in in that video you are seeing my first i three laps like literally someone was like your turn and i got in the car set up the cameras and you're seeing the first time i drive even twenty feet and so you know i went out on the track i is the first time i've ever driven track also i got a van a van sighting lap from ross bentley which it was great i love her awesome awesome great instructor i knew where i was going you know did i ring out the car as hard as i it's a million million dollar prototype no but on every straightaway in this video this is the justice noise video every straight away and everywhere where i'm shifting at full throttle there's a couple places where i grab gear like i lift to turn and grab gay or something like that but like on to straightaways on the track that's that's full full throttle red headline pretty low it's a little headline yeah it's a low red line in the company of the rest of the cars or the other five of the cars at the end of the test it's it's a free lorenzo low red line and i mean it's very i think that's a very interesting thing that that i maybe should have expected from a corvette i knew what the engine was but something i didn't really think about because i think about mid engine cars in a different yeah there are now merging these things mid engine car you think of as being exotic materials exotic manufacturer different from everything else yeah what i love about it about the about this corvette the vet is that like corvettes in the past it democratizing this type of performance you know granted the boxer it came in sort of did this this this this allegedly performed at a higher level than that certainly a lot more horsepower v. eight and and and this is the entry level i mean this is the baseball mommy and there's going to be that that engine bay in the back has an awful lot of room in it a great test in the future will be corvette GS versus four yeah yeah very cool yeah i mean if they do grand sport version if they do zeo sixers ER one or whatever i mean i i i don't want to tread too far in but i but i think that the the general consensus among us was that the future versions of this is that this is the platform here's what here's where we're starting and then start it's i it is a good start yeah yeah i think it's a good start i think that in some ways it's a it's a huge huge jump forward and in other ways he's it's such a corvette like like if people are expecting it to not be a corvette like it's it's a corvette for sure so why we know mercedes i don't know why the test yeah were there any new mercedes for this year that got rose on their why couldn't couldn't do dude i don't know i didn't set up the fucking i i'm not sure i don't think there's a particular reason when we win these group tests happen yeah there's like availability of cars and and it does i don't i don't i don't know why i don't know what the logistic czar of this i think i didn't make the cut i don't know if i might i i mean the the do they have mercedes have a new performance car maybe AM then TR pro but that but that was available in nineteen because we had one for proving grounds so the rule of like if it's not new or if it's not a two thousand twenty out a supra and the miata were available for nineteen technically they were so good just be available but travis lows fucking miatas and supra was important and so you know i well back when you try shing production yeah i don't think the rules are quite as formal yeah as you know we made the test we tried to his lap times which were done by v box and they're backed up by all the video the telemetry and then we all did our scoring and our our writing and our rating but like oh you know a lot of it is subjective i don't think i genuinely don't think the laptop way into the scoring at all i was gonna say honesty when ice all over the years all the time i've seen this version of this test done with whatever magazine does it or whatever you know whatever media he's going to do it it's the subjective yeah versions of what everybody's nobody's telling you that i really like that's what you really want to do because we don't have a pro driver doing yeah that's why travis is doing the driving could have hired anybody any number i mean enjoy our hildebrand is on the focus on the roster but they didn't heed specifically did not want pro driver laptops but when we were doing the voting like i've time didn't weigh the in at all it was just like travis wants to track boys lifetime matter like the miata wouldn't be there you know it just wouldn't it be there on a track ah that big but it's it's about how the car performs even if that performances at lower speed than another one like you have a car that is five seconds faster than a miata let's say but it might get there in a way that feels unsafe i'm not seeing any these cars like understeers like within the tradition yeah like if you had a charter three ninety two which is a pretty good sedan like i really fun kind of cheap AMD car run faster lap time than a miata but we're axel take a better example would be the challenger because it's so fricking nose heavy car drives the chargers actually fund cars yeah charged front rear fifty to forty good but you know challenger may get there quicker but it's the way it gets there is a mess laurie kirby economically terrible etcetera etcetera now let's see what else oh the nine eleven you know i did this career four s in europe and the we've got video coming that monday the seventh this is the regular career s the good news is for those who need all wheel drive in their life snow snow or whatnot ninety nine percent of the time you cannot tell the all wheel drive cars all wheel drive like i drove it all over the street and the difference between driving the regular s and the four s on the street is zero can't tell except the four s launches a little harder the forest launches hard it makes sense beast the forest launches as hard as last year's turbo it's fucking crazy it's melting they've reprogrammed the clutches did you watch the nine eleven so they replay program the clutch is now how do you remember how last year would really ride out that first gear no more it dumps them now especially in the all wheel drive cars fucking jumps out of its own tire jeez he's sick amazing and so but either really good at how the lake i it's it's weird for me like i'm very careful this because tangent vector actor shoots a lot of porsche's stuff which is why i don't review brand new porsches but sure that's why it's it's there's a little conflict of interest like i told zak throughout throughout my notes on because we're shooting a doc for GM like about this so i have to be fair about it all my notes about the nine eleven we're just like it's real it without going to the experts it's really knowing how good they are at their job yeah community doing it for a very long time good yeah i and you figure out why they're so good good at it very quick like i went to the factory to pick up that that for us like oh oh factory looks like you really give a shit about this stuff doesn't looks like our factories look here mclaren's factory yes yes a focused every in every part of it and they're also well no say mclaren's very young so they can make take the factory look how they want to look but porsche has been there for a long time yeah but they it's not just it's not about the factory looking modern it's about cowie clean and organized and they're not wearing lab coats they're wearing the route that the that the pit crews wear and and they are you know and then you drive the car and it's like not only is the car the most comfortable car in the group it's the best made car in the group you know from a quality perspective it's very very fast the steering is amazing the it feels like you can't break it because you pretty much can't and and then you go on the radio and this this is a regular s and he won the race track and you go we'll fuck me this is crazy how fast this car will go and you can slide it and it's fine with that and that has good steer i mean it's like shit this is so nice so nice you back to you had one job and you're right it's there's not a lot to complain about that with the nine eleven my only complaint of the nine eleven and this goes for the for us is i don't like eighth year they took PDK and they added a gear for fuel leconte but if you're driving the car into normal bullshit mode yeah it goes into a fit like i dunno fifty and it puts the engine when it does is that at max shitty nece like it's at maximum your own plus being in vacuum plus just sucking right like those flat sixes they need be over to your over at that you don't have to be able to five but over two they smooth out they quiet eight out they chill out at two over eighth gear puts this bitch at like fourteen hundred as much gas mileage of course it is it just means you can't drive ride the car in normal automo- you can only drive in sport normal because it keeps it out of that drone and even they were kind of like yeah you know if you look just like they didn't want to do that shit yeah just do it to get the number and then you drive it hardware but then when you put in sport or manual it's the same as it was before you know it's fucking beatty great how did you feel about that car verses the mclaren and i know there's a huge price difference in clarence twice the price and it's twice the focus you know what i mean the mclaren on a canyon road the mclaren is incredible i mean is it shrinks rinks a lot insanely ainley fast and it has power delivery that is so explosive and it just feels like it weighs nothing because it does the top goes down like intended hence eleven seconds i think the top goes down and i mean it's just it it just reeks of perfection and motor sport the the nine eleven is very lovely but it's the best it's the best daily driver you can buy whereas mclaren especially ashley because of those seats is like daily driving is out the window yes true yeah and the nine eleven it's just like it can do anything you could drive across the country you commute to work do attract date you can go to the canyons like you can go skiing you could do anything with that car there's nothing that thing will not do at a at a at a very high level yeah the mclaren there's some things you can't do that very true the seats in the nine eleven are amazing amazing they're they're like a really nice middle ground between thin feeling light feeling supportive enough not too soft but comfortable's well they don't they they don't have this crazy side bolstering but when i asked bill it's still holds you it's not it's nice it's very nice it's just the most the most well rounded car that anybody makes it can just do anything and it feels like real like the interior on that new nine eleven is super super super exquisite sin that's that like just the attention to detail not in like it's not filled with diamonds like bentley it's not that the fucking would is is from the root of a turkish walnut somewhere and it's omega would it's it's not bad it's just like it doesn't need an essay to justify bloom and leather her it's the same sh i it's just put together in such a nice way and the detail work of the edges in the under spaces and the negative spaces and all the the thoughtfulness of it it's not like can you give me an interior of the nine eleven like it's just so especially compared to the corvette the corvette is like like don't don't like way to the danger zone the corvette is like weren't topgun now and whereas whereas this the nine eleven is much more like no no it's it's a normal car it's gotta be you know practical and usable and spacious and like and all that and the the corvettes like let's get in his fighter plane cockpit you know what i mean and they really cockpit eating it up whereas the nine eleven is like we put this here so that both people can access these this cream and like we put a cup like we made it more friendly and so oh although you know the center the center console there is getting subscribe progressively wider and wider as the generations go on they had to put cupholder there and everything why why do you think they're widening it just all the cars they're they're console i think to get the cup holder to work there is that the ninety nine one interior to compare to i don't know whatever but also the because all the cars are wider later now too because they don't have the narrow body kearney more they've only got the i know the cockpit doesn't change size but everything is widening yes he looks either nine nine seventy see how much narrower is there all right so this is an n one as i'm sorry nine nine one yes that's nine one and then go to nine nine to see how much white is substantially wider her yeah there's a lot more real estate on either side of the shifter yeah and the shift that little thingy they made the shift or smaller but made everything else bigger but it's okay okay is not cramped it's it's it's a lovely place spending time it'd fifteen hundred miles across across europe and then flew to america in with the car and drove more in the car and the one take is on tail of the dragon which i recorded very early in the morning so it's a little little dimly lit but it's it's a fucking cool one on the new car has the haptic glass on either side of the shifter that don't them seeing took up some real estate it does doesn't have any it's got some have to glass ah basically it has buttons to the left and the flanking the shifter where's the nine one did not correct right they move those buttons further up to make a cup holder and make the armrest space bigger yeah yeah i don't know i liked it a lot more importantly than the actual design though is is really just fucking how nice it was screwed together it was really screwed together well i'm a fan i think that's pretty much the m. two i c i chilled out on a little bit as well it's the competition shen so does it different a lot different engine from the regular too i drove i think i liked the regular one better it's been a long time but i was a lot happier happier driving the regular one that i was after i got out of this one i heard that a lot of people after the you know they don't sell the quote regular one in america anymore everything you get is is is for competition and doesn't have as much like lean it was just too stiff yeah i i really liked the two when we had it originally at grid life and we're having having fun with it but it i liked it better than the supra but compared to i mean and i know it's a compared to the mid engine cars i didn't i didn't like it as much and we only drove it on the track it didn't make it to the street and a few people said it made it to the street it would have been better but the rules of the of the game were twelve cars on the track doc and the end of the two track days we would vote our favorite sex and that would make those would make it to the street and neither the m two nor the super made it to the street they they both were kicked off the island what was we had an interesting talk about at dinner body role i was complaining that the miata has too much byrol so and i thought how to fix it was way bars and sam smartly corrected me that like that would cause these other problems it's actually suspension problem but what we were talking about is that the camaro which is an amazing chassis i'm like it's a really good car to drive roles more than you think but when you're driving and you don't really feel it feels like it's super flattened sue because it's so good there's a writer but with salmon chase we're saying it's actually the speed at which it rolls over onto the bump stock more measured whereas you know the miata when you're gonna turn just it's like flops over and then once it sets now you're cornering so what do you cure that with shocks shocks coils and and bump stop it's like everything but he's gonna bring it up is because it's possible that what you used to is that it rolled a little more in the new one like the m four is is just rigid yes is really it's to stay was stiff i mean i was driving on a very smooth race tracks so stiffness wasn't necessarily the problem problem racetrack but it it takes away some feel of things things move i just found i found a it to be a little clinical in its power delivery be i i found the steering was not as good as some of the other cars i had driven specifically miata of war-era or mclaren some others i might not mention and and i was really hoping that i'd be able to slide the shit out of it and it didn't really wanna do much sliding it it it it i got a lot of that vibrating is when you know that you know if you when you start to push that vibration vibration through the wheel and china signed in a lot of vibration and it's i dunno i just got came back and i was just kind of like all right that's a thing do you feel like size ice has any i love the size of it yeah i love the size of it as a streetcar like i love the size of it as a streetcar just i don't know i mean maybe it's because the company funny we were we had a bunch of exciting cars out and maybe if i just showed up and that was all i was driving for a whole day at i'd probably have a pretty good time but like i got out of that and got into another car and i enjoyed it and more do you think that overall size has a factor in this specific competition like all the different cars you drove there's the miatas obviously the 'em to those are kind of on the smaller side the super is not as small as what i thought it was going to be compare it to small is it about the same size as an eighty six okay so mean do you think a smaller car could be competitive against something the size of a corvette well it's not i don't i think you're asking the wrong question because if you actually look at the cars that made it off off the track and onto the road one two three four four of six were mid or rear engine okay and only one mid engine car did not make it one of the mid engine cars didn't make it to the road whereas one one two three four four of the front engine cars got kicked off the island i think we are are as far you know this is road and track so track is is a is a more focused sports car enthusiasts car magazine yeah and i think that in a lot of ways especially with the corvette now being mid engine i think i think in a lot of ways we are just preferring the dynamics of the rear engine or mid engine cars so using that very generic algorithm that you just came up with it's obvious that you know for i mean that kind of gives you the example of why GM to remain competitive had to do what they did with the corvette yeah oh i i i i don't think they did it for the right reasons but i'm or more orla i think they did it for zero to sixty reasons which would be the most detroit thing ever but but i i and i think ultimately it was the right move there were people on the road and track staff the do not feel that it was the right move not necessarily surly because they think the resulting car is bad because they times my longer a corvette i'm personally i'm i'm i'm actually on that team i feel like a corvettes been the way that it is i get why they did it because they literally after driving the r one like they have hit the limit of the engineering possibility for your car without a doubt we are one so i get why they had to do that but i just feel like it there's something to be said about over the years this has been the corvette and and this is what we're used to and this is how it is but i think that's a bad reason to keep doing something because it's the way we've always done it right is a is a is is not a great but could have been something as simple as just not call it a corvette and you maybe i mean maybe you could call that zora camis argument argument mm-hmm it was about the whole thing about the whole car was i don't want this to be the corvette i want this to be the door yeah and it can it doesn't done ninety zora if it's placed a if it's place above the corvette i think his argument was that there they would be able to do certain things things that would improve it like like like your stuff without driving with the GT while yeah you can either go that route i mean but i think that because it was a corvette and not zora right it had to have a trunk yeah there would hold fucking golf clubs well having a trunk that holds golf clubs means the whole year end has to be ugly because now you can't have a center exhaust yeah and now you can't have radiators with fans back there and you can't have air flowing through shit with buttresses because you've got a trunk is the corvette is such an automotive icon is a name and it means what it's meant for so long to do to change so radically and so call it a corvette two guys a comedian i mean that's that's all right i'm again i'm not saying there's any wrong with the car insane i just strictly from a branding standpoint lay on the quote that is what it is but from gm's perspective the corvette is there halo look let's look let's have a comparison here's a comparison toyota goethe huge company tons of money now resurrected the brand equity of ten years of supra of the superbeing alleged resurrected all that brand equity into with it they put it on a fucking BMW so if toyota a smart company i liked that that how could we possibly expect GM to rise above calling vata corvette no never not in a million years with that happen and like i said i have to look at it as the corvette is not the corvette corvette is there halo car that's where it slots in it doesn't slot in as their front engine rule drive sports car alright flats in his that's their halo car and so in that respect corvettes a corvette that's got to be their top cargo so right because it so i think to to go to the was is it always meant to them maybe to i think to people in the crowd what it's meant to them is it rural address car but like you said GM it's been halo sports news so if the thing that they have to do to make it competitive corvette has to be the car that's winning the races the car that's doing certain things for them on that standpoint just because because it happened to be for an engine rear-drive this whole time exactly so that's that's the that's what you have to kind of retrain your brain into into doing because yeah yeah just because it was something that doesn't it's weird to say because it was this for so long doesn't mean it's that company it's on that radical nicole there was done something what is radical is moved the engine in their car yeah i mean it's still called it the same call to the same thing around in the eclipse eclipse cross yeah there you go oh that's funny ruined ruined their brand equity i mean there's not many cars there were they move the power our plant in this side of the car period alone call at the same yeah that's what i was trying to think this is the first a lot of what the new corvette is very radical michael for for a lot of reasons it's radical for GM f- to do a mid engine cars radical for them to change what their their heritage is it's it's it's a really historically significant time in being an automotive enthusiasts beyond that that love or hate it that changes the game in a lot out of aspects to it and it's going to be felt across the board everybody it's well i think it's interesting it might the question is is most people aren't going to get to to drive one before they buy it now for not for a while right so the question is and if they do they're gonna get a very short test drive around the block right they're not going on racetrack with it for not for a little bit so the question is will sitting in it touching it playing with it smelling mailing it because it smells exactly like GM vehicle it smells renton equinoxes that smell yeah that's what the corvette smells like the yankee candle if your christmas ideas and so so will those people be converted out of porsches in out of high end luxury cars well enjoyed problem always has been the day don't know the i fucking thing about luxury jer not a thing and it would it would corporate would be the kind of people to sell this car our our GM excuse to sell this car and be and be completely oblivious to the fact that when you open the door to this car the a ferry first thing you see is a fucking quarter of a sense stamped piece of black plastic on that trim it's not that the nine eleven thing that kills bugs fast like it's not it's not an inlaid it's like this i mean my my three series wagon has an inlaid m m badge here's some avi forgetting about how the drive obvious cheap the flip side of that that we talked about is longterm does the mid engined corvette all of a sudden introduce a new crowd of people to a mid engine car and then all of a sudden the other mid engine cars start showing interest where okay i drove him engine corvette forget i really really like it admit engine ferrari must be that much better now no one was into ferrari's corvette but there are guys that so you know that would have never driven a mid engine car before you know they would have never considered e they couldn't afford it or just the experience they were looking for they were there these hardcore all of a sudden now the corvettes made engineering makes it okay democratize it big a problem as you're you're making it so i don't think it's a problem just curious as to what the long term effects of introducing a lower dollar point mid engine car to the masses what does that do to the other high and mid engine cars around is it water them down does it make their sales those higher because what it might do is encourage other manufacturers to make their middle costing cars mid engine instead of front right that would be interesting but that's my point is that this is such a significant thing that i don't think that a lot of the enthusiasts think about it the ripple effect of this is going to be years to see what what this one change GM made what is that change overall does it like you said does it change maybe all of a sudden you know we inexpensive engine cars to the high end mid engine you know have a new crowd of sales we don't know we don't know what it's gonna do but it's it's i think voting record of warning to keep engines in the front of the call we all know no this the bible says it but after driving this covert i have to say i might be coming around on this thing that's my picture on your some people that are that don't dr mansion might swell usually six figures that's why why not i don't think anyone has a problem with where the engines are they might have a preference i don't think anyone is like is going to be conveyed i i don't think anyone needed converting one way or another people just like the cars that they can afford and they can drive and now people might not like ferraris because they didn't like ferraris or they don't like foreign cars or something but i don't think you're gonna have people that are going i was against mid engine vehicles until i drove i don't think that's an angry person that really exists i think there are going to be young people that that would be looking at an m. four or maybe a us nine eleven or or something in that area does this all of a sudden start to remove some of the stigma of a corvette guys like us for for so many years up until recently was like i'm not i love the corvettes great to drive i mean you had your c five out of which was rare for guys our age to be in a c. five or or any the era we just wanna be that guy who the c five was like this was a big jump forward at the time at the time the c five was it was like my whole life was the c. four yeah from what i was born until until i was old enough to buy my own it was literally like force over the c five komo is like fuck and fight vitaly so i think a lot of people now they see the six and seven sort of is the same kind of thing and tired of that and so and so i think you're you're you are definitely going to get some young people to go i can maybe i can afford this and maybe you know rather than sex or GTRI or some nine eleven's org came in or this now now you're gonna look at a corvette to because the engine is in the right place on the other hand the downside brand equity is brand baggage agate brand baggage comes brand equity in fact you pack brand equity into brand baggage and bring with you and and brand baggage is gold chains and fucking hawaiian shirts and based on twitter today album corvette forum guys they got him on order so it'll it'll be interesting to see what the conquest sales are who's trading in there nine eleven for a new corvette like i don't know i don't know i think i don't know how much that will happen but i think i think the the brand baggage thing where it's like the old guys are driving with the hawaiian shirts and stuff i think that's kind of fading because the number think of how many young people so you see driving either a camaro challenger or charger and they and there's plenty of old dudes that are wearing corvette clothing or clothing do the same thing so i think it's just like what the car is about is is like young people are more about what cars in coffee i'll see i'll see someone thirties driving zero six or something like that or modified corelli i see that but i went to manhattan beach cars and coffee a couple of weeks ago and it was like corvette cruisers club you know and it was a bunch of old old folks in troop ship with break chrome folding chairs and that's fine do their thing but but i think when folks in their twenty s see that they don't go man i need i wanna be a part of that club whereas they see lucy gault and the period correct guys in singer and that and they go you know and i want to be part of that club it's gonna overall it's just going to be interesting to see what ripple effect this one decision makes you know we'll be we'll be having this chat three or four years from now and say you know i'd be curious to see what changes happen in three or four years that we can go back and be like because the corvette did this maybe that's why that this happened that way those can be interesting this year sima yeah fucking the dollar cars are flowing like the samina capistrano right now everybody you'll get a dollar car your dollar car and you'll get a dollar car everybody it's a dollar card actually yeah well i'm not going there this year i talked to a lot of people that are being passed because the saudi sima no because they're competing with the saudis no seem audited they're they're memberships this year no if you had a if you have maybe a a business and you manufacturer something so take take a shop like VF engineering okay who's been a member sima since he could good has has attended seamer for the last twelve or fifteen years however it is a shop like that who they you know they manufacture the tunes and the superchargers and it's something that you know they can missile retailers as they're they they spend seema and they the owner will go out and maybe one of their tax and meet with their vendors and their suppliers nats they have their the annual meetings like magnusson and stuff like that so this year sima would go back to a shop similar to say well you manufacture something and you don't have a booth so you don't get passes oh so if you if you can sell something or you can have a booth there to show off what it is that you're making and you don't have booth you don't get passes so the ripple effect of that is that a lot of the riffraff but the smaller shops that that you know a shop like the f. can't afford to have a booth there plus lose three or four guys for the entire week and all of a sudden it affects them big time so they use that that show to go meet with any other so the ripple effect is that magnusson uses that show show to meet with all their vendors like that and then they say okay instead of having to go and have a ground team and have a northeast guy in the south he's just made it seem we'll have our annual meetings once a year call today all of these shops now so if your tuner shopping you don't actually sell anything retail you can get past as you remember sima but if you sell something retail that you make and you manufacturer and it wouldn't qualify to display an booth somewhere and don't have a booth no tickets was that really the source of the problem shops that manufacture things but don't have booths they did it overall audit and just basically like if they were just cracking down on tickets this year part of it is is with the convention center and being under construction they want to try the crowd's a little bit next year is gonna be even worse they lose the north and south hall at sima so they're trying to shrink is they're trying to shrink it a little bit of control it but without warning like to see shops like say look do you know where to do this this year but next year just no you're not getting tickets and maybe give them enough time to say okay we'll have a booth but like you know i use an example because i was i was there with they're trying to organize our senior plans six months ago and you know he had planned on going like he did the year before and they're like no you need i can't come up with a booth and displays displays and you don't have to hire extra staff and all six months to get all this stuff ready to go and you're telling me i now and it's it's just it's expensive and it's it's going to be interesting to see seema who what's what's there but it will be inundated with cords and super i'm sure the other what's the other one PRI AB AB we're gonna go across the street to apex it's the same passes yeah yeah that's sucks all right that's a bummer young good thing i wasn't going anyway what questions you got a bunch we've got a bunch i think we've got a bunch can can you zoom sinisa can read zits who's the first jerk to ask you about the corvette driving them not to well we'll see when we get to say let's let's see oh we gotta watch question kyle be getting the super chat next few minutes if you're with us live we're going to answer some questions before we end this show and we got a bunch launch we're trying to get to all of them kyle says i'm looking at my first big boy watch a four to five thousand dollar budget looking at the omega planet ocean and oh jesus christ he's trying and he's okay he's done something can you just show the screens act because what he's done is he's he thinks he's been helpful by i showing me the omega reference numbers but omega reference numbers aren't like rolex like paddock a paddock reference is like fifty seven eleven five seven the omega he's he goes i'm just gonna read this having trouble deciding between two three two point three zero point four six point five one point oh one point oh one one and two one five point three zero point four four point two two point oh one o-on bro i don't know i don't know those are reference numbers can use copy those entire numbers into google and just just get an image of those the omega plan ocean is really nice watch it's an it's one of the nicest watch watch they make and by typing in the reference number you can get a picture of it and i think they're just basically the same thing just different from callers i i like the planet ocean a lot the best ones i think are the black with white is at the store the the we got the black with white yet the jam right there the the the seamaster planet ocean black with white accents is the fuck shit bro i like that a lot there it is that's that was one of karl's favorite ah watches to the black white and also the black with blue is really good but the black with white is my shit the chronic graphs but if you let koenig rapids good good i like the i like the diver- black with white go ahead good call go with that kyle thank you for giving us those reference numbers that are just obscene to look at CA says i live in vancouver i love your city and i want to get a new manual transmission car to daily and track on occasion i'm thinking of a honda civic type eibar could afford to stretch my budget to a base came in but not the s who civic type r versus base cayman comes down to looks yeah yeah well look i mean you shouldn't buy a civic type well okay pammy beckham civic type r is a great daily driver it is it's very practical and comfortable comfortable it goes pretty fast but it doesn't really there's not really a sacrifice yeah you can you can daily one abass came in has two seats dates so if if you are okay driving a coup you shouldn't buy a sedan you know what i mean like if you're gonna go to track and like like a came in even base one has such better dynamics than a four door sedan any four door sedan yeah and so if you don't need backseat your search should be for two seater cars in which case came in corvettes used corvettes for sure used caymans commits us came in s is a great place to be maybe cylinder came in with an extended warranty rather than a base four cylinder came in i i would i would look there but i my main piece of advice for you is that the civic type r is great for four cylinder front wheel drive cars with the back seat if you don't need the backseat you should eliminate it from your your options because the big car the back seat has a lot of room in it which is great if you need need it but if you don't need it you're lugging a lot of car around the only thing those who have in common is their manual totally true brian no fray says reviews say that at the toyota eighty-six limits are low slighty and fun on the echo tires what tires for my v six mustang would mimic this feeling auto cross and daily drive the car zack cheap and hard yes really what the tires are the the prius tires right based on their part they're viewing hundred treadway discount tire place and you cannot pronounce the brand name that's what are my drift cars are like bavaria fifty bucks yeah the tires it came on my crown vicar terrifying because they were super hard and they last forever i mean anything thing that's a four hundred tread wear hi four hundred and up you know fucking get some get some snow tires high tread where echo tires is and and if you want to replicate it without spending money just pump your tires up to forty psi yovany gavin kit kit kitties hypes kitty schnaps kitty snipe says would you rather drive an s. five five fifty mustangs sized exe- judge or an exe- sized must size mustang absolutely exists is mustang a fucking tiny mustang it'd be rats or the escort was like right and exists side mustang is yeah ford escort mark right basically yeah doug horn says says oh he liked to watch and listen episode with carl so i guess we haven't really talked about it together we may carl died that's not a good way to intro that but yeah we lost my friend carl week ago we can weaken a bit ago and it's been very very difficult for me i have actually cried quite a bit because carl is fucking legend food watches cars people people business crime carl knew about everything crack on knew about i mean karl people who describe carl they describe him as like an explosion asian or like a the big bang or like some call someone called him the match and the kerosene and he fucking he'd walk in just like blow up a room room like just fucking i i'm here now i run this like people use descriptions for other people all the time but like legit that is the absolute actually that actually was is carl and he passed away we think of a heart attack he he was not a model of health but you know he was go listen i go listen to to to the shows with him he talked about why he lived his life the way he did and and he i couldn't argue with it i mean he he watched his father other you know save for this supposedly epic retirement travel big house all this shit do all the right things and got alzheimer's at sixty one and now he's in his animal eighties maybe seventies or eighties but he doesn't know zone fucking name she's so carl was like fuck that not doing matt i'm having fun every day i'm doing what exactly what i wanna do everyday you know he busted his ass he's a hustler you know sh amazing chef worked hard hard but you know he he wanted he had a good time all the time he maximized his use of the internet for exclusively fun and things in that shirt in that photo he's wearing a cash shirt at one hundred shirts with cats on them all different you know he taught me a lot about watches ages he really influenced my my watch collecting habits i'm wearing the rolex explorer right now that karl after explained to me why my rolex batman batman sucked in the rolex explorer is a much better watch i sold the batman icon explorer and i and he was a thousand percent right and i don't know we're going to be talking about karl for a long time i had a t shirt made with the guys at blip shift and the the carl's restaurant lock who bonna somehow in conjunction with guy fieri fealty they are starting some kind of foundation for aspiring chefs in in carl's name it's a i don't exactly know what the plan is but i'm talking with them we are going to sell the shirt pull that pull the picture backup zaka the shirt and it's on the front it's it's karl being very very carl with a slice of pizza admiring and on the back it says it's a fucking great picture i really really like it pinkie up as always the back is they know that it says don't trust your own taste chances are you have done which is which is one of my favorite lines from carl he's he had a lot got a good great lines i'd rather eat crumbs with bums than steaks with snakes i liked it went to this restaurant is beautiful lock on fucking rule rule eight there and it was amazing and they are going to continue serving chefs food it's it's a beautiful restaurant in the meatpacking district cuban food i don't know if you guys noticed mccune food is fucking disgusting it's not good this isn't that they don't have good ingredients there and it's just not good carl made amazing amazing human food and it was absolutely delicious say human food in cuba known for being in america yes sucks most of the time it's just not it's not good it's not that flavorful like most of the time not all of it but like in general it's not that great but carl and that restaurant was popping in the fuck off dude it was music and dancing like every night ever is like there's like so many fun moments that that i won't get to enjoy it with carl anymore which is really really sad but like i'm i'm really glad there's like so much recorded media of him i went and listened to i i last week when i was on the road i ran his episode of the watch and listen podcast which i called watch carl ruins everything iran that is our and i you know it's such an amazing piece of radio it's just he's so so go he's so good he's just like here's a guy whose job it is to cook food and he is better on a microphone than ninety nine percent of professional broadcasters working today he's fucking gold is gold everywhere everywhere you bring him he's gold i'm doing this the microphone and i was in radio for years i've found of the guys that are better than that are the guys that that's just their personality that's who they are and carl's personality -ality whether you put a microphone in front of him whether you put a stove in front of him or what you put an audience in front of him because he could he could be his radio guy yeah wall cooking a meal l. for like thirty people he wouldn't be distracted by the food he'd continue to entertain you the whole time yeah the amazing that that's amazing skill taught me to make lots what's the ball soup which i've been trying to replicate ever since and i've never gotten it exactly the way he's gotten it and it really bums me out that i won't be able to have him teach me how to do it perfectly but i made it last weekend and i'm going to keep making it until i get it right i i know how to do it but i keep fucking up little things and i made it almost right after i heard he died i made it and i was so fucking distraught that i forgot to put vegetable oil in the matsu lots of balls and i made the soup and the noodles and vegetables were perfect and i fucked the mothballs up but i know how to make good multiples like he did he made to make masa balls normally it's like matza meal will salt eggs vegetable that's it mix it up and then you fucking meatballs carl separates the yoke from the whites lights and meringues the whites and makes the fucking matsu balls with a meringue and all this other shit like he just e the chicken gin for the broth like you make it from scratch like you roast a chicken in the oven for forty five minutes but then you put it in a colander with all the scraps of the vegetables the onion skins and shit and then you put the colander over the boiling water you pour more oh and then you cover it and so as it steams the steam then drops back over the chicken and the skins as it goes back in it's fucking amazing so it's like extracting more and more delicious tollhouse flavor it's so amazing and i going to get it right this fucking weekend i'm going to get right like it's it's like and when cows like he made the soup and we were hanging out and drinking and he made he made he made the soup before we went out to dinner i thought the soup was gonna be the dinner he made the soup we ate the soup and he goes steak and we got a fucking uber and went to adam perry lang in hollywood would any all the meat after this matsu but he made me the soup and i was like how is it that a fucking cuban guy can make this soup goes 'cause here one triple g on a panel full of jews the soup that's what he called guy's grocery games games triple j triple triple g on a panel fulla juice nothing to worry about these understood it man you know like like a chemist well that's the only the book that carl told me to read in his the most interesting book maybe i've ever read is called what einstein told his cook and it's a book about food science in how y foods why why does salt behave this way what is sugar behave this way what do yeast do how do they work and it's just amazing what einstein told his cook is the name of the book all right questions russians we have more we still have more i know we took a tangent to carl but we didn't tangent district like like okay we'll go back to go back to that after after talking about death right i know i know mister someone says is now a good time to fox body now a good time to buy a fox body or the price is gonna keep going up or will they come back down again they're going up i mean not up like fox body it's not going to be like one hundred thousand it's not going to be a career RS type i mean look if you found if you found a selene let's call it a selene fox bonnie with three thousand miles on it might be eighty grant maybe it might be maybe fucking mind win for sixty five yeah i mean granted it's a custom but like you know the most expensive fox body to ever sell auction eighty-two grant yeah it was a seven a brand new delivery miles seven up car but it's happened yeah i don't think they'll come back down a fox body is a fixed there are a fixed number of them there will never be more than there are now found a decent condition one an and improved it's slightly from whatever it is you got you're likely not to lose money on you can enjoy it drive it and likely maybe not make a ton of money on on it but not depreciate nearly what other projects in that era would probably going to a couple RIP's carl indeed there are we we will have many RIP's for carl there's gonna be i'm not sure what we're going to do on an official basis but we are going to do something and the shirt we're gonna donate all the money obviously i'm not i think there's a couple of evil you know the podcast i did last week where i recorded an intro and then i ran the the watch and listen episode put ads on it and i put ads on it because we have to we have we have advertisers we have deals but but but also a couple of people in the communists got real shitty with me about you know your friend dies and you sell ads you called fuck and i was thinking about carl orl- and i can picture call 'cause i fucking die and you don't even cash in kind of like who how what did i teach you you fucking pussy downloads we're going to be hugh i picked picture call going you don't fucking sell ads on me i fucking die and you don't what fucking make a buck you fucking your bitch puck exactly right to write that would that would mean you're not cashing in what am i going to fucking pay double on the same content great michael bloomberg boomer hoffer says what is is one car i hate it until jason or chris harris changed my mind one ninety cosworth sixteen eighteen two point three sixteen you like it more or less i listened to jason's arguments for it and i thought that maybe my impression of the car was wrong and that that maybe he knows more than i do because he drove the euro spec one and because he's had a lot of time and driven a bunch of stuff and he cited some very specific examples that it's better even the m three at certain things and whatever and i don't love the thirty m three there and so i thought the only one drove stock yeah yeah it's it's very different talking about yeah but yeah so that's the one that comes to mind yeah i think didn't really change my mind no i don't think there was anything else i hate it until they changed my mind jason talked me out of wanting to buy three twenty eight ferrari ferrari three twenty eight which we've been talking about doing which i haven't talked about doing and he talked me out of it because he was looking at three twenty eight and he went to dr one and he cited some very specific reasons why should not what which is fine he just saved me eighty grant a great resource so you know that's one jordan says what are my thoughts on the m. two comp versus the original m-2 drove i think i don't know if this we kind of covered it covered at the time of that comment i i don't know if it was necessarily because i drove the original MTV by itself and i drove this one back to back with a bunch of other cars i happen like better but i got out of the two comp this time for feeling a little cold and detached and it just didn't it just didn't resonate with me despite the fact that objectively i think it was pretty good i also think i think it had fifteen point seven inch breaks i think it has like huge dodge challenger size his brakes and that the the breaking performance wasn't all that impressive for the size is of those encino breaks and i remember being like why do they have to be this big is this thing secretly like way heavier like it's that i think it is like i just i didn't like i don't i wasn't bothered by their existence it being that big but i did a video what you're going to see in the edit but i was like the thing is the biggest fucking breaks ever and it's like not like locking up the you know what i mean like it's so that bring you down as expected i was just left left after being kind of like okay it's all right there wasn't really it wasn't really the boat anchor it wasn't really the my thing but that's okay i think think i think my personal taste over the last couple years has re really transition towards rear and mid engine cars and how they drive as opposed to how a fast the front engine car drives i drove them to literally the only car drove that day so i had nothing to compare it to you also on the road i was on it wasn't on the brakes i i can't release to it i hope that answers your question NBA is french she wants to know about the cats cats are doing well they're integrated very well the kittens annoy conrad a little bit but nikki snuggled with biko last night in bed and it was great their quirks pico sleeps under vinnie's bed for pretty much all day and then comes out at night conrad has been all over my bed lately too i don't understand like the last the last couple of days he's been bonding with me because is your room your bedroom is out of the way of the kitten yeah and he's been annoyed he jumps on the corner of my bed and like certain times the day the sun will hit just right and he likes to sit in the sunbeam corner my my bed he follows the sun around the house conrad unfortunately is a little sick and has congestive heart failure how he's fourteen so yeah so we've got him starting medication did having given medicine and we needed a lesson on how to do that when we got home totally and so you know he's he's an old man now and and so we've got medications thanks for him and you know he could live years or he could live months and we're not entirely there's no really no way to determine how that we'll go down but it was really i felt like i learned like yesterday i was like wow i just like i learned how my pet is going to die and you don't know that he could get hit by a bus hit by a bus if it's it's been a bit of a tough a tough couple days buck you know he's he's fine he's i mean he there was something weird with them and it's why we brought him brought him in so had had you not done that at the medicine that like you said he could communicate but had we not done it yeah so anyway that's that's what's happening and then nikki is very very snugly and finn doesn't know how to snuggle yet but really tries snuggle but like he doesn't know how to do it so he was just like all over very all over you it's very funny nikki human step one is not moving yeah michael says oh sorry oh stephen says thanks thanks for the wasp buying advice oh there we go michael says are we planning on making a one million mile lexus or similar into a safari nope nope nope nope nope JR says what do i think of the essex i have thaw four videos on the NSF street track twenty johny seventeen twenty nineteen numerous podcasts probably forty it's forty minutes of content yep clay says should i keep my eighty six eighty six or sell and buy seventy two to forty ooh that's a new eighty six you're talking about cell so if it's an an eighties eighty six keep toma says is a lotus exe- s driving experience worth the s it's worth the money worth the money yeah because a lotta suggests driving experience costs nothing because you buy the car for fifty thousand dollars you put five thousand miles on it and then you sell it for fifty thousand dollars so the is it's not it doesn't cost you anything to own a use lotus that's that's that's the truth it all it costs fuel in tires other than that you absolutely wash out every single time oh couple nice people with donations nations who don't even need us to do anything for them don't even jump monkey just take this money is AO wants to know what my take is on the recent mazda rx nine nine rotary rumors don't have won haven't heard the rumor wouldn't even give a shit if i had i mean honestly the rx the rx eight was one of the worst sports cars i've ever driven it's it's such a terrible because the engine was terrible it like the handling of scientists it was okay but the engine in sucked so bad it ruined HSE that is very good it may it made the power of a four cylinder wall consuming the fuel of v. eight and it had a tiny a little tank they would and i almost got stranded in that car what a fucking pieces and it's more like a little sound like a dentist's drill i i don't have any i don't misfire bridge i'm trying i think following hurt from hooligan is helping me appreciate rotaries for their different nece but they objectively actively suck yeah because they're bad at their job yeah t- kind they're interesting job yup saucy p. says fifteen thousand bucks new england and daily driver c five corvette no eighty six no fiesta s. t. yes that's the answer michael says can you recommend a i watch between eight hundred fifteen hundred okay interesting position to be in michael because between about five five hundred and about two grand you're not really getting anything yeah like a nice saco is five or six hundred bucks and his every bit of the watch you're getting with like twenty five hundred dollar entry level swiss balanced mercy kind of thing eight hundred fifteen hundred is going to be your five hundred dollar watch but with a hashtag branding added on it so that that isn't that well like a weis watch that's not one of cameron's movements so for me weiss makes a couple of different watch three in fact different watches and then some sub variations of that the the american issue field watch is the only one that has cameron's movement in it and rats the one i have and that's the one you have yeah those are twenty five hundred if you you want the swiss movement one it's fifteen hundred so you can get it weiss you could also get let's see sin s yes i n n young hans which is spelled joung hans j. u. n. g. h. a. n. s. alpina is a nice as a nice swan let's see saco for sure orient young hans is a very bowel house he kind of german minimalist thing if it was meeting i'd buy i'd buy a five hundred dollar seiko turtle which is a fucking amazing watch second part of that question if i bring a coyote swapped manual crown vic to LA from north carolina will you drive it for a one take zach will fuck yes i will i will not that sounds amazing what does it sounds great for zach carl says hey matt love the show what was a car that before driving it you hate it but after the after the drive you liked it and have you ever gone to montreal montreal it's lovely what's a car i didn't like until i drove it and then it changed my mind that's very interesting i don't let's see what's a lot better than i expected it to be ooh this is tough what is way way what am i expect to hate bullet mustang bullet mustang i really liked expected to hate it hate it because you just hate the idea of the three over lobster and then i drove the new one like don't care about the three door thing anywhere lost her end is good enough that the three doors no longer matter mhm BMW i three i love the i three i thought it drove great in fact compared to the i eight i think i three is a much better use of this technology yeah that that card felt really great around twenty to forty mile curves yeah very good surprisingly good handling very comfortable incredibly well made the only reason i three sucks is because BMW intentionally put a small fuel tank in it because you can't it's it's a range extended EV as opposed to a hybrid if the EV range is bigger than the fuel range so they put a small tank in it to reduce fuel range to below the rain which is fucking stupid because they had a car that was practical as a volt that they made substantial that's practical bill because they would rather have EV extended credits than hybrid credits in our stupid credit system that being said they drive really nice daniel says you're making me hungry i go to like obama henry says earlier i said that the the road tests root for p. cody was fantastic what was it now i don't fuck in remember let's see we left highway seventy was part of it yeah we left if thunder hill and we went northeast into what was that national forest pull up a map yeah we went northeast from thunder hill was seven seventy and then we what was that what's the foot the national forests there what's that when we went into the plumas national forest forest and then we turned south and we ran down the back roads in that national forest that that's pretty much it yeah pulled out over pull that drop that and the miran south to those along those lakes and then we ended up in ah truckee bucks lake we stopped for lunch here okay yeah so we might have done that one maybe okay yeah what's a why are we cut over from sixty two that's it yeah the one sixty two that one was great and then we went down by truckee and we went up and over a bunch of fucking random mounds sounds i don't remember and then we were on the donner donner lake or donner pass or whatever it was that full force that plumas national forest i'd never been there there it was spectacular driving yeah i never been there before a corner of california i'm trying to find where we crossed over because they thought we were on the seventy for awhile and then jumped over to like for two bucks for lunch and stuff this whole area was that entire national the forest was absolutely incredible yeah that was nice anymore before we get out of here's zach thank you thank you and how was married life in the delicate the delicate works pretty good i'm laughing because it's like it was like a fifties he's fryer djelic is working fine my wife on the though my wife is unemployed and i was very stressed out about it and now she's really really leaning into it now she's fucking chilling the delta works yes you got a freelance consulting gigs which is nice goals good she's got a few interviews she'll be fucking fine the delicate works great it's slow but it's fun i'm taking it the in for a service on monday i wanna have the trans fluid checked and you actually can't check it from in the fucking van you have to do it from underneath yeah so the transplant checks and i felt really the timing belt because it's an interference engine and we don't know when if ever it was done probably you probably never be what's an interference engine interference engine is if the timing belt snaps the valves and shit smash into the pistons whereas if you have a non interference engine you could snap the timing belt and the engine will stall but it won't lunch itself the pistons and valves are timed in such a way that they'll never touch yeah as long as the timing is right but the minute something's off the clearances that type will stay open and then pistons will hit the valve and he gets a whole it's a huge it's it's a big big problem interference engine and you don't know about your timing belt you have to get the time about done so you know it was done at this at this usually a hundred thousand miles but in this case thirty years old i mean even though the mileage is really low it's still thirty year old rubber right i'm not super worried about it because in between when i bought it and in between when i took delivery somebody put three thousand kilometers on it didn't blow up so i'm okay but yeah renew the timing belt we're gonna have the translucent tested trans fluid checked and possibly changed and we are going to repair the speedometer which stopped working a couple of days ago oh f- out of nowhere i don't know why probably probably offered up like our flats or something else to see people ask when you're gonna offer like there are zero things to me that are appealing about offering a thirty year old vehicle that i care about the funding in the thirty year old car are it's gonna be for all cars go to heaven three and the car ain't coming back a lot and it's going to list yeah no the delicate i bought as a is for hannah hannah and for my business it's the airport shuttle for for west cyclic protect your out your investment yes and i'm gonna leave us with one thing yeah that's me getting climb climb out of the roof at kogi a lot of people have been asking me recently card vice and and i'm more than happy to give carte vice i i love doing that it's like a thing that i'm good at and then i'm into but they've been going about it wrong and i wanna be helpful but people aren't helping me help them and and the questions have gotten increasingly more absurd like should i buy a boxster or civic type r or maybe i'll just LS swapping FDR at seven or maybe a monster truck what do you think i mean today i got one that was like i'm looking at corvette a like a i'm looking at a brand new corvette a ten year old porsche of a five year old three or an audi a. three or at audi a seven like what am i supposed to do with that and i was thinking about like why that's such a ridiculous question and it's a ridiculous question because his cars are better than other cars they're just better for you and if you were to put those questions into the context of food i thought about this on the treadmill earlier what i want you to say is matt i feel like eating a hamburger tonight who makes the best hamburger yeah i wanna go there but but instead you're coming to me and saying match i got a hamburger or curry or maybe should i become vegan happened just asking tomorrow i'll call this question sounds should i eat a burger or become a vegan the that's how related it had corvette is to a ten year old nine eleven to an audi a seven it has to go back to like we talked that these are you're asking what experience do i wanna have behind the wheel and you need to narrow it down down to letting us know what is it you're trying to accomplish you know do you strictly want this specific like say i want this experience i need a what's the bech truck to tow toan what's the best thing i can do this with what you know what there's there's different reasons but like you said to to get that broad of a choice you're you're not you're not thinking about what does the experience that you're you're looking to buy you need to narrow that down before you ask whether it's us or any other car guy or even just on your own yeah if you're shopping for a car you're shopping for a purpose you either shopping for transportation you're shopping for a car shopping for a specific experience the experience may be just a daily maybe you need something with good gas mileage there's going to be convenient has satellite radio whatever but you need to think about the experience that you wanna have while behind the car and then and then i'll tell you uh who does that experience best but like you know it's like i would do i want to do i want you to stay on vacation do i go see the to egypt or do i maybe go scuba diving oh yeah like water how's the heat you get a gregory backpack a louis vuitton bag where cargo playing like stuff do you have a tag from ralph yeah i i don't want this to be like a me bitching segment helped me help you and if you call me not call me email me or message me on instagram whatever like i want to help you i want to help you but think about what it is you're trying to accomplish i need you to tell me the experience that you actually want to have and furthermore please please remember that test driving a vehicle is an option for you she don't there's ways you can go to places and and test drive cars at carmax and and if you and and you know and a lot of people who asked me the question of the you know dog want a hamburger or curry or become vegan they they are doing that before they've even driven any of this shit yeah and so they don't know what experience they want because they don't know what experiences available so like what you should do is watch videos or somebody's videos or whatever to get a sense of what that experience is for you for you decide if the experience silence i'm having matches the experience you wanna have from the video and if not asked me how you can get the best of that experience always use a story i had a buddy of mine who who i bought a car and and he commuted a lot and he had a specific system in the morning you get in the car he would go get his coffee coffee go here is phone would go there and had this system and he bought about this new car it's the car he always wanted into died he ordered it never drove it whatever and he went to get into like the first week and like he couldn't put his phone where he normally put it and it sounds sound silly like okay we'll just get some things but that was his system that's you know he had this way of doing things every morning at the coffee cup wouldn't fit the cupholder just write this this phone wouldn't you didn't have a place to put his phone where he could see it and it drove him insane people specific and i tell people like you know normal people ask us you know i want to get a car when i take it to the grocery store the normally go grocery shopping see about parking take it home if you have kids put your car seat in it put your put your bag you would take to work in it like you normally go through the motions of what being if this is a daily you know obviously if this is something you're going to use a little bit more often go through the motions of living with cars much which is humanly possible during the test drive because chances are there may be a switch somewhere like for instance you know the cadillacs if not having a volume knob for me drives me can oh yeah she didn't say but i'm a non customer of those car right 'cause i don't care how good that car is some people don't care yeah i mean for track car who cares whatever but i spent some time in we'll everyone has their own priorities yeah they think steering feel over side bolstering other people go i like the color the point is think about that stuff before you ask that's that's all that's our show see today's tuesday right the tomorrow's wednesday which means we have chris motherfucker importer coming chris ford is coming tomorrow he is a hilarious comic i don't even know what he knows about got cars but he literally commented on my instagram and i've seen his sets and i've seen his special and his he is i'm i'm thrilled to this guy wants to spend even fucking five minutes with 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"Running with the devil"

Happy Hour Gets Weird

2:42:57 hr | 1 year ago

"Running with the devil"

"Oh hello this podcast. Episode Contains Adult Language and some situations that might be too spooky for some listeners. Listener discretion is advised cheers Thanks yeah I have a would you rather would you rather be possessed by the devil or have your spouse be possessed by the devil definitely spouse. I'm GonNa go there you really. Yeah I think as eating more afraid if my husband was possessed by the devil and I had to live with him then the other way round I would just like call the police or something. I don't know if victim from the house. You can't call the police on the devil. You can call the police on your husband and if you're possessed by the double what are you GonNa do. Who Hope you? It's okay all hope. I don't do that to me. I'm just saying you can't help yourself of. But at least I am not the one like experiencing pure inflicting on other people. Yes I I'm I'm GonNa say you know what the worst one would. You rather be possessed by the devil or abducted by aliens abducted Malians one hundred percent. Gosh I don't even know what I would pick up duck. Please abduct me. What anal at this address? Come get me at this address. No not aliens my address for one Or two I mean if they're nice if they're like the The ones that look like people from Iceland. I don't remember what that breed of alien is called. Then I down They actually just have your way with me. Just swipe my memory. That's true I guess. If you don't remember do what you want wouldn't by what's that Song I don't think it up. I is that an alien memory ahead. A flashback own. They were. They made me seeing that while they. We're having their way with me now. You can get them in trouble because the whole time you went bought. I can't believe that you would rather the possess and have somebody else possessed. Yeah May Bama Martyr. Maybe I'm Jesus Oh maybe I WANNA burn that going straight to hell for claiming to be. Jesus I said maybe I never claimed that. Your chillers Jesus. Do you like all that ice sound effects. I I'd dubbed that him. That's not a real drink. This is an asset our podcast today if you like the tinkling of Ice Cubes and the slurping of liquor you're gonNA love this show if not maybe j just kidding just kidding all right well will now that. I'm a little afraid that anyone that you might be possessed by the devil for multiple reasons. Are you ready. I'm ready all right. Are you the person who made happy our weird last time you talked about being possessed by the sixty minutes from hell then. This is a podcast for you. I'm Kathy I'm tiffany and this. This is happy hour guests weird. All right it's about to get weird. It's weird like your eyes. Are One hundred percent black weird. You'd like biting the head off of a bird when you're not Ozzy Osbourne. Oh my God weird like find bugs around your house and eating them Oh weird. Oh is that weird. I do that all the time. That's why I live in a bug. Free Home Okay. We also besides getting weird we also every episode a highlight a cocktail. Yeah because it's the podcast where we talk about weird shit and drink cocktails. So what are we drinking. Today we are drinking the devils Margarita. It is so delicious. It's essentially a pomegranate Margarita yet. Very very good fruity sweet sour. It's like the perfect mix of sweet and sour. Yeah it's very delicious and we will have our Recipe information on instagram. Happy our gets weird podcast. That's our handle and We'll put a picture and the recipe for the devils Margarita. Drink it if you dare. I am ready today. We are telling perhaps the most famous possession and exorcism awesome story of all time. Do you think it's most famous. I kind of feel like it is. There's like three that are really famous right While I try not to research this so this this is the most famous for me. I think that I think that it might be as with every paranormal topic. We will discuss. We're not here to tell you what to believe as you will soon hear. Many people are confident that the heroine of our story suffered from severe mental illness and health issues. Other people firmly believed she was possessed by the devil. This is the story of analysts. Michelle or or hail or Mikhail Mikhail. However you just feel like saying it yeah? This is literally the only time we're saying her last name so yeah I think it's like it sounds different with an English accent. It does look like a German accent and we heard multiple pronunciation. How say it however you want? Because I'm sure you're going to say her name everyday now all right. Let's start with our sources wikipedia. The Telegraph U K article by Elizabeth Day. A BBC news article Kennedy Ife Life Death The Guardian article by Deborah Hide. And then all. That's interesting article. I love that website now all interests yes. Who Am I? Check that out. Yeah they have a lot of good stuff. That article is called analysts McKell and the shocking images from the exorcism of the real. Emily rose by Gabe. Bob Pale Eddie. I have an a source. It's a youtube channel called weird history and it's actually so you really cool channel As just checking it out it's colored history and this is the episode the real the real story behind the exorcism of Emily. Rose I believe is the name of it but it was from weird history the channel. That's cool I'm gonNA check that out. Yeah it's really cool. How long was the youtube? Like ten minutes sounds cool perfect. Yeah Okay my favorite possession in a nutshell all right annelies. Elizabeth Miquel was born in Nineteen nineteen fifty two in Bavaria West. Germany raised in a devout Catholic family. She attended mass twice a week as well. She was forced to attend mass Twice a week I think. I think her family went to church. I don't think she was against going to church. No but it was enforced. Yeah I think that most people that go to church with we their kids go to church though when their kids stay here by yourself child you know what I mean yeah. It's like family family's just do that I think I don't know I didn't go to church as a kid so I don't know but I think it's normal to make your kids go with you if you go. Well yeah but I think once a week is this. I don't know I don't know I had a grandma. He used to go to church English Spanish to other Catholic. She was just bilingual. ooh Okay. She's pretty cool. I mean Wednesday mass Sunday mass. I guess is is pretty normal. I know I know that nine hundred fifty two. That's probably a big part of their sewell. You know being social people they hang out people at Church. I don't know As a young child she already Analysts already felt the burden of sin through her mom. Her mother had given birth to a daughter out of wedlock before analysts was born and the sister died of surgical complications. At the age of eight her mom felt a lot of shame for getting pregnant out of wedlock. I'm not sure if it was a different dad. I didn't did you re did you hear about the but it was it was a lot and in the Short Youtube video that I listen to he he did make. I don't know the narrators name. But he made it sound like her. Mother was a driving force behind this. Oh I'm sure A kind of religious obsession. Yes yeah. The family mourned the loss of the sister but they also never recovered from the shame. They felt of this At this illegitimate birth. It was said that the mother wore a black veil on her wedding day to show penance for having a child. AWW that's so late and yeah I know analysts. Aside from her mother being deeply religious her father had considered joining the priesthood and she had three aunts were nuns So this just gives you some insight into the home the analee screw up in so very very religious I would say strictly yeah religious. I mean beyond the normal Catholic or any sort of religious upbringing as is a young child. annelies was developed neurosis based around religion and religious practices because it was so so much enforce. Yeah and she was also punished in religious ways. I don't know exactly how they used religion to punish her and she developed a neuroses from the at a young age yeah as she grew up her anxiety about sin intensified. Because of everything that you just said for example she would sleep on a stone floor to atone for the sins of local drug addicts. Every spare minute. Her Mom in court encouraged every spare minute of her time to be EH practicing Catholicism praying for herself for others for any any spare time she had was to be spent and Yeah Practices Alpha. How do you set flag? shoelace to flagellation. Yeah I mean but even like America's sweetheart I was watching A. What's that show that David Letterman did on net flicks where he has like gas cut? Minute's like a anyways David Letterman was on is on net flicks and George Clooney was on as interviewing and he is Catholic. Yeah And he said that he used to put pebbles doubles in his shoes and like jump top bunk onto his feet like for pendants of his sins. Yeah so crazy. I mean crazy sexy I mean it worked is George Liguori. Ann Liguori ended up. So if you WANNA become the next George Clooney start filling most shoes. When there's like self was was that self flogging yeah that Some now I can't think of how you say that self-flagellation is the the. I think that's how you say. That's the act of just like hurting harming self harm in order to atone for your sins. Yeah and even other people send yeah. It's bizarre to me but I didn't grow up with it So at the age of sixteen analysts had her first episode and blacked out most of the day after the second episode. Her parents took her to see neurologists. Who diagnosed her with temporal lobe epilepsy a disorder that causes seizures commemorate loss and visual and auditory hallucinations? So that first episode She happened at school at happened at school and like confronts Tran- yeah and they didn't remember any of it. She had no Mary and then that night. She said that she felt like there is a presence when she went to bed. She's asleep and she woke up and she felt like there was a presence pressing down on her body and she wet the bed and then it it was almost a year till that second episode right. Yeah it was almost a year so I don't know how he but it was a was a while later it was within a year. That was a while later. But within a year analysts was prescribed medications for her convulsions. But they didn't seem to alleviate her symptoms. Her mental and physical health continued to deteriorate and before long she claimed to see demonic faces throughout her day. But as we said Her disorder caused hallucinations. Loosens I don't know I don't know when she started seeing stuff how much her parents really like. Tried to say. Like this is part of of your illness. Don't read into it too much. I feel like because of the environment that she was in seeing demonic faces was like the obvious thing to hallucinate. Does that make sense. Yeah I don't know I don't know either. If they said like they from the beginning trade you know had felt like it was possession in or if they really felt like it was a mental illness. I don't know I mean she was on some medication though for awhile. Doctors adjusted analysts treatment. When she started hallucinating she was not prescribed medications? That were used to treat schizophrenia. Yeah but her condition worsened still. Oh she heard voices telling her that she was damned she continued to hallucinate and she became deeply depressed as you would when you're taking medication. That's not helpful. Well well I was I in that same I. He crammed a lot in that ten and He said that she was she contracted tuberculosis this Around the third episode. She was actually in the hospital for tuberculosis is she had a third episode in. That episode was different in itself because is during her blackout. She said she experienced She could see colors and she could hear sounds and she experienced a euphoria praying with a rosary in that third blackout and she also wet the bed during that blackout as well in the hospital or girl. I know So I'm assuming after it was after that analysts was moved to a psychiatric psychiatric hospital. Probably yeah at this point. She'd been on Drugs Regiment. Meant for five years and nothing had helped her symptoms or her mental health. I didn't they diagnosed her with epilepsy. I think that Oh yeah. The temporal lobe epilepsy. Do you think that shoes epileptic. Yeah because the temporal lobe epilepsy. Time up type type of epilepsy. She had caused seizures memory loss and hallucinations of drinking. I bought for you. Are you drinking your Margarita. Marita blacked out during that. Oh Great. She's having she migrated for she's already getting possess because she said she's fine with it and know Jesus so if I was going to get possessed wait till after. We're done recording for us to get together. Yes I do think that she had that despite what doctors later I said. You don't look like an epileptic seizure right in front of you in the pre said that but I wanNA know. Why wasn't the medication helping? I don't know because it was nineteen fifty fifty two. I mean I'm sure I I don't know I'm not I. I am a doctor but I don't know I'm assuming these kinds of medications need to to be adjusted until you find the right doses. That work for you just like any sort of medication. Yeah that makes you can't just pop a pill and expect everything to go away. No I'm not questioning. Yeah I'm saying that's is probably why that's probably why it wasn't helping. I just like there's so many unless you think she was really possessed by the devil which you can think that if you want to think that you can think that I'm not gonNa tell anybody what to think especially with. I'm sitting here watching a possession take place right unfolding with hundred percent. I guess they are the Bay mattress shirt group all right so it was. After all of these hardships that analysts decided to go on a holy pilgrimage with family friends here. She found a new symptom of her horrible condition. She was intolerant of religious artifacts and places she could not enter the holy shrine because she she said the ground burned like fire. She couldn't look at pictures of Christ like she's missing out on all those super cute pictures of Jesus on the Cross. Ross no top on and every picture of Jesus I mean not every but like ninety percent of the pictures of Jesus are very scary. Hey they look. He wanted to show off his sweet six-pack. I'm just saying I like the face pictures. Those those are show the blood like. Oh yeah waiting. And there's like he's nailed on the crass chroma Thorn Yeah Loin cloth analysts saw evil on the faces of those praying around her and Said said that she would. You looked at them. They were like gnashing their teeth at her. Yeah and looking at the cross would hurt her is because it shined too brightly looking at something like the sunshine on it. Yeah after those revelations. She concluded that she must be possessed and her overtly overtly Catholic family agreed they sought to have her exercise. So you look. Yeah I mean I could see like that would be terrifying. If you're seeing all of this. That would be terrifying. She grew up this way. I could see why she went there after being on drugs on them. Not Helping thing her. I'm not saying that she's right but when nobody is going to sit there and tell you. No one's going to play devil's advocate Pun intended and like say like no so. You just need to adjust your medications. We just need to help you. I could see where she went there. She was young and going through a lot. Yeah it's this the story for me. There's a third step on both sides so I'm like okay. That is really weird. Yeah a behavior on in her part and I mean only possessed person would do that and then on the other side you know. It's like and we know so much more about mental illness now than they did in nineteen fifty two. We know so much more than one thousand nine hundred eight. You know what I mean like. We've just been leaps and bounds of knowledge and and we still have so much we need to learn So the family like I said sought to have her exercised at first. The Catholic Church refused her request for an exorcism system. The family had to ask the Bishop for permission. The Catholic Church had set requirements. That must be met for an exorcism. There's a whole bunch of hoops. You have to jump through. What are the requirements? You remember No it's just. There's like kind of typical. I think differently as you wouldn't have access to knowing yes although Oh is one of them. I think the ones that I know. I know what you have to now. If you were going to get you we're going to have an extra don on you right now. I'll let me know the requirements are because they changed them in nine hundred ninety nine the the requirements for an exorcism or updated in one thousand. Nine hundred. Nine I don't know what they were in nineteen fifty two now things like you have to speak in languages that you have no way of knowing you have to be stronger than your body or your condition would to allow you. Have they have to make sure that. You are not showing signs of any sort of mental illness but that has been adjusted adjusted. I don't know what they weren't fifty two okay so analysts condition continued to worsen and she was now violent ate insects drake her own urine. She yeah that she had appeared to have like hulk she would even throw her sister around the house God she. She licked her own P.. Off The ground today just said she drink her own urine. Yeah Aiba drinking like when you sit oh do you think she just peed MC Cup. The Muslim what I see in my Myers when you shave drink your own urine. But it's to me that does look like you're in a couple of year gave gave to me. It's worse that she peed on the floor and then elected off yes. It said that she acted like a dog for two days and it was like under the Kitchen Table Act. He like a dog and she bit the head off of a bird and her medication was increased again after. This is intensifying it still. Didn't the medication did not help her. And in one of these things we'll see. These are all behaviors that she was doing. That could be justified with mental. Illness like schizophrenia. But then there's things as like her mom her staring at a picture of the Virgin Mary in the House and she said that her eyes were one hundred percent all black. But that's her mom does. That's what I'm saying. This stuff is like the behavior could be justified as a mental illness. And then some of it is like other people's accounts. Yeah like she. One of the account of her saying that she couldn't go into that Holy Place was her cousin Said said that she told her cousin that. Yeah but even that could still be her saying it could be mental illness. Because it's just she's just scared while she said that she heard knocking in her bedroom and then her sisters confirmed that they too heard this. This mysterious knocking in your bedroom too. So I don't know. Is it like mass hysteria. I don't know I don't know I mean they could have just yeah. They could have been so scared that they thought that they did hear knocking. I mean if your sister was acting like this and you were oh it'd be like Oh. Yeah I heard knocking yeah. It's scary so finally after all this. The church agreed to the exorcism of analyst Mikhail in total secrecy though. They didn't want anybody into now to priests out and rents. I'm just guessing on how to say that those names cow. Can you say what the German accent held our Holt Saw Her and he was the one who said he was a new priest and they went and saw him and he was the one who she said. She does not look like a person who has epilepsy. I believe that she is possessed and then he is. What because it? This time you had to be approved by a bishop in order to Orman exorcism. Yeah and he was the one who convinced the bishop the Bishop to do the actresses them but they require it like you said pictures of her sh- she looked horrible. It was scary. The pictures are scarier than the movie. Pictures from the exorcism of Emily wrote. Yes legitimately scarier. They're pretty scary. Sorry I'm getting chills. Just thinking about this poor girl and what she went through seriously breaks your heart okay. So the two priests out and rents conducted sixty. He's seven exorcisms ten months sixty seven so that's like every four days. Yeah at this point. Her family stopped medical treatment and relied solely on religious healing. It's like sexual healing but I prefer mark McKay or I don't even if you do need an exorcism. I'm just going to play sexual healing. You repeat save say Marvin. You sweep fame. I sold Marvin Gaye. The process of an exorcism is typically. The possessed person restrained for their own protection as well as the protection of others the exorcist then prays over the person and demands that the demons leave there is a certain ritual of prayers that are supposed to be followed and if all all goes according to if all goes according to plan the demon will be removed from the afflicted person however much of the time exorcists are not successful on their first attempt and the ritual would need to be done over in her case this or the thirty eighth or the forty second or the fifty nine and they have to. They can't start and then not not continue because if you stopped like the ritual halfway through than the demon could like come after you. So it's not like if she started freaking out they could stop after like ten minutes like they had do continue. Do it the whole time. Okay now that part is scary and to me like we. We listened to on Youtube. You can find a audio of her talking with English subtitles during the SIMS. Because it's in German and it is intense. He's asking questions. Yeah it's scary. So these sessions would. Last hours she would thrashing Grou- Grau she spoke in the voices of the five demon said to be in possession of her Lucifer. Cain Judas Hitler and Nero and there was someone else there was a someone else to. It was disgraced. Priest from like the fifteenth century. From the fifteen really. Yeah read that anywhere. Did you hear that when she's taught that when she was supposed to be Hitler she talked with an Australian of affect voice. Oh my goodness but did she speak Australian Strean. I don't know I guess. Is that German. Is that the I. I actually don't lightly different because she was German. So is it just a slightly different affect after your California accent versus like mid West Midwest. Maybe but she's do the voice. No Oh God. I seriously did that. I did that to mid West personnel bar talk like healthy person and Mid West. I not my finest sour so this is yeah. This is terrifying analyst. decided to stop eating believing this would help drive the demons from her body. It's really really sad. That is very sad. Yeah she would kneel up to six hundred times a day. Her knees were eventually broken from hours. Upon hours hours of prayer she contracted pneumonia. Her weight dwindled to sixty paint. Oh my goodness gracious. Her eyes were ramlet black circles as we saw from this pictures sure her body riddled with bruises on July. First nineteen seventy six analysts miquel died of malnutrition and dehydration. They also found on during the autopsy that a lot of her teeth were fractured. As well. Probably from flailing gnashing I mean she was really aggressive in these exorcisms around. It's scary but towards the end. She was so weak. She couldn't even walk on her own. That's so weird. I can't even imagine an adult woman. Because she was like twenty right i. I can't even imagine an adult woman weighing sixty eight pounds. That's like what like a first grader. Would wear way right. Yeah probably yeah it. It is like a first grader. I think that is scary and to be so healthy at one point to you know the pictures like before and after pictures it's insane. It looks like a mess before and after or something. Yeah it's it's it's really. It's really sad actually okay. So after annelies died her story became a sensation throughout Germany her death seemed senseless and cruel to so many and soon the priests and her parents were Charged with her death and child abuse they were charged with negligent homicide of analysts and the case became a battle between faith. In fact the church's rights and the protection of the people. I mean that's like a pretty serious. Yeah thing you know yeah somebody died and like you were saying before I think before we started the even. The whole community was religious logistic even in this religious community. This family was over the top. Yeah they were Ya. Seventy percent of Bavaria at the time was Catholic so they going the church and being Catholic was pretty regular and standard there and even this family went above and beyond to the point of I think it it was pretty pretty intense house pretty intensely religious. That sounds like I agree. That's crazy the state argued. The analyst could have been saved even one week before her death if medical doctors have been called. They believe her death was negligence and her history of have mental illness proved that she was not possessed and just needed better mental and medical health assistance. The fact that analyst felt she was possessed was a horrible combination of her mental condition and her devout Catholic face that she was immersed in throughout her entire life basically. The xers were feeling her mental illness. Yes because they were like kind of justifying like you. Think that your word possessed and now we're gonNA XS on you. which just made her think? Like I must really be asked. Because everybody's agreed with me. Essentially I mean could you. Who did she just get so deep in her mental illness without treatment and without medication that she was like psychologically manifesting symptoms? UH-HUH I mean I think so. I think if your medication isn't hoping that you can. I mean this or was she really possessed. I mean if you believe from the double then you have to believe that. Some people can't be possessed. That's what I'm saying. Some people truly believe in the devil as an entity. So if you believe in the double you have to believe that somebody can be possessed. Yeah I the defense argued. The analysts was in fact possessed and used audio recordings of the exorcist as proof of such he even the priest that did the Exorcism he even said that she had the STIGMATA on her hands. But in during the opposite autopsy they proved that she did not his bruising. It wasn't in fact I know right. What's that one movie? STIGMATA Y- oh. I saw that movie. That was a creepy move. That was a very creepy movie. Yeah that's where I learned. What stigma was? Oh my gosh old movie. I mean it was like when we were in high school. Isn't it yeah Yeah that was scares the shit. Out of Gary Movie The court was able to hear analysts. And the five demons that she she was supposedly possessed by the five voices cases. Argued on tapes played in court. Defense also argued that per German law on religious freedoms they were just in their use of exorcisms. I I mean but I also think that. It's highly suspect that they made it secret. Yeah I mean at the Catholic churches been trying to step away from from exorcisms for all they had been as we'll get to at the end. It's kind of shifting now but I think that they were trying to step away from that. They're trying to be like more modern or something. Maybe but I mean if that's what you believe. Then I don't know I mean the seventies was big for the devil really that looks like the beginning of satanic panic and The book of Satan was released. I think that in the seventies and Satanism was started. It was kind of gaining popularity in the seventies eighties the satanic panic yeah the seventies was like the prelude to the eighties the eighty. Yeah but it was like Kinda gaining traction. What's that Antoine Eleven? What's his name? The Guy who started the big Satanism Guy I don't know I don't know somebody emailed me So the Bishop who approved the exorcism also claimed to have no knowledge of analysts medical history. Although it seems he didn't do due diligence. If that was the case the court concluded that the priests involved should be held responsible and were ordered to six months so they were guilty there were found guilty of manslaughter insider but they were only given six months jail time which was suspended right Oh Yeah. I don't even think they ended up doing it. Are you serious risk. I don't think so. That's Cana- okay. Yeah Three followed by three years probation and a fine. Her parents were exempt from punishment under German. Law that they had suffered enough most thought those involved basically shirked any real responsibility Ludi and thereby punishment for their involvement in analysts's death even the final verdict of the court case seemed to speak to the uncertainty until the situation mental illness versus de Monarch possession. Perhaps in the case of analysts is scary. Demons person can have our of their Own Making which is really a couldn't have said it better really because yeah was she. I'm a possessor just severely mentally suffering from severe mental illness and everybody around here was just feeding into that and not getting her help that she needed. I mean if you have mental illness and you're growing up in this environment. That is what you're going to see. Yeah that's that is what is going to. You know you're going to see demons ends. You're going to be afraid of anything to do with your religion because that's what's around you. Yeah so I just think it's really hard to disprove that it was mental illness. Yeah because I think that that's the obvious route that would take my. The whole thing is just scary. The two thousand five movie. The extra schism of Emily Rose was very loosely based on analyst sad story and for the first first time her mother agreed for an interview Anna. Who is her mother? Believe that her daughter their family and a church made the right decision for analysts she believed analyst was in fact possessed and through their exorcism. They saved her soul she told reporter Elizabeth Day of the Telegraph UK. I know that we did the right thing. Because I saw the sign of Christ in her hands which she's talking about stigmata which was medically approved by the autopsy. was there really there. Yeah it was just bruce which she had all over her body. She did have bruises all over her body. Could you not sh- I even think she might have had some broken ribs. Maybe well she had broken knees which seems like the hardest bone in your body debris so I think I broke my knee when I fell swoop the other week. It's still I I sometimes when I kneel when you're kneeling six hundred times a day own. Great she was bearing the stigma that was assigned from God that we should exercise the demons. She died to save their souls to atone for their sins and very early on and after the three light kind of significant blackouts. She did start saying that Like you said I'm damned I need to pay for the sins Of the miss lead youth and Some of the lake. Some of the priests were starting to like go in a forward thinking kind of way at the time and she also said that she needed she was dammed and needed to save their sins. Yeah because by this time it was like the seventies so yeah late sixties early. They're starting to getting more modern. Yeah and and people were doing stuff I mean the sixties and seventies people were experimenting doing drugs like the world world was definitely shifting. Anything that really freaked her late. I think it was a heavy burden on her. Really up She died to save other lost souls to tone for their sins and as of two thousand five Anna remained in the home where her daughter died visiting her nearby grave every every day. I'm sure by now. She's deceased but I couldn't find the information my research conversely the small town where this incident incident took place feels shame and sorrow over the attire entire ordeal. I would I would. I feel shame and sorrow not ashamed but sorrow. Just what is sad story. You were saying. Even though they were Catholic thought this family was really over the top. Yeah most feel the analysts Overly religious family compounded with severe mental illness are to blame for her death. They're also speculation. That perhaps the exorcist movie that came out in nineteen seventy three might have fluent influence. Her behavior Like I said she see it. I mean I don't think she saw. I don't think she thought but I bet you the church. Her Church talked about it about how evil it was. Yes I'm sure. It was condemned by the Catholic Church. Just like Rosemary's baby yes Regardless of the source of analysts's condition addition her story is a compelling one people continue to visit her grave groups of fringe. Catholics take trips to visit annelies because they believed that she's a major martyr. They visit her often asking for guidance. Leaving notes and saying prayers by her grave which is really sweet this week and it's sad it's sweet and sad and it's it's it's strange Learning about a story like this. It may seem so far removed. Move from life today. In the sixty seventy in the sixties and seventies weren't so long ago but maybe different enough time to feel extremely distant however like most things in the realm of religion. long-standing tradition seemed to prevail xers still exist today which is so weird for me to hear. Really Yeah it is weird I mean could you imagine. Could you imagine if somebody that you knew was getting an exercise. I should net hope to never meet anybody who might need an exorcism. Her eyes are black. Oh homeadvisor completely. One hundred percent black Don't look at my shirtless pictures. Jesus please in Nineteen Ninety nine the garlands for excesses were slightly changed priests have tighter guidelines to ensure that the person's being treated is not mentally. Ill we already went over the. Yes yeah we talked about In order for the priests to consider possession and they have to be speaking on the languages. Incredibly strong you mentioned very weird very very weird in order. Weird Buffet Weird. Isn't it crime. Uh I just read that on the low I read that on the Vatican website okay very weird yes quotations very weird okay quote and quote. It's very weird. It's just the picture of steep. According to the Vatican in the last couple of years has been an increase in demonic possessions which has resulted in a new exorcism training. Course Oh to be a fly on the. Aw Oh man. I'm here for the exorcist. Training Course Sicilian Cillian priests claim that in Italy alone there are half a million cases reported each year of demonic possession. Okay so I feel like Italy. Not that big but I feel like many I feel like though Italy is probably predominant predominantly Kathleen. Yeah everybody's Catholic in Italy so I feel like but is it Italy like the size of California. That's a lot of people. Okay but for this mall but I know but if you have a tiny it's a Right there right. Yeah but I feel like if you have even a small country uh-huh but a hundred percent are Catholic I would think there would be more a higher percentage of supposed- possessions in that community community. Yeah as opposed to like a million people in a large country that are only thirty percent Catholic. Yeah I mean yeah I can see that it just seems like a lot of people not just seems like everybody's like calling in sick on Monday because they possessed by the devil and they're like maybe the better on Tuesday I wonder there's like d like a spectrum of possession like someone could just be cranky and be like I'm like on a level one possession. I'm a little cranky. Are I'm possessed. Okay so just back off at Shea spectrum. I don't know is there was like I'm just GonNa poke you. I'm not gonNA fully just the tip just to see how they can make make your little grumpy today. You're grumpy fish you just you got a case of the Mondays and a possessions possessions. You'll see the tip of the possession. You'll be fine by Friday. I forgot I lost my pocket place. Okay a little loop we've okay Nineteen ninety nine guidelines. I'm so annoying. Okay and ORLA Haas Haas. Ford sounds that is I passports ounce I'm GonNa keep keep those in Just last year a London man died while being restrained and prayed over by family family members. Who believed that? He was possessed. The man had become aggressive and threatened to cut off his own penis. I mean fine. Let them are you saying. Let him be my guest. As long as you're not cutting off anybody else's Pinas if you cut off your penis people like immediately die. I don't think it's like a major blood artery. He that's why if somebody's attacking you should shoot them in the penis John Doe name for their head. It's too small. That when husband wife situation where she liked bit it off and spit it out in the field. She didn't bite it off. She cut it off. He didn't was abused used. He was a extremely abusive husband. Okay I'm not saying he didn't deserve I'm saying he's still alive. He's lucky to be alive. A really is a have made so he was lucky. Maybe I'd like and he's an asshole maybe had like. What is that like bad circulation or something? Type blood pressure use penis so small weights. Maybe at a micro penis. Let's spread that rumor ramp bobbitt's husband learn how to micro Pinos. That's why he survived the time he ever saw as I was cut off a pinkie. It's not going to be cut off a hand. It will hug A. You're making me laugh. Stop No it's not okay that he was threatening coughing on peanuts. That's okay if someone in my family was. Yeah I would call the police or a doctor. Yes not just pray over them. Yes got it The family sought religious help and tied him to his bed for days while all praying over him he died on day three after complaining of dehydration after a trial they were all found. Not Guilty of manslaughter. You're And they were also not Catholic. Yeah just they just truly believed in demonic possession. Listen so I guess you don't have to be Catholic to be possessed great now. We're really fuck. Fuck that's crazy they were I read about that. They we're in a very. I don't remember what the branch of Christianity was but it was a very like real strict branch sh of Christianity. Let's say that three more times. Let's just keep saying the same thing. Yeah they were very strict religious strict whatever but they weren't Catholic which I thought was interesting. I mean every scary movie about possessions or Catholic are they yes. Catholicism is always attached to the scary movies oh I I don't really watch movies like that so I don't know I kind of steer clear that I'm GonNa tell you to bed for three days. I make you watch exercises and I'll bring you snacks and water. Thank you probably the best three days of your life. Okay so my thing is but that is awful. He died and they all got away with it. And I don't know I don't know if this is true but I think that they had had like I think they were like well off which to me makes it stranger. It's not like they were dead. have access to healthcare it seemed so it's it's just it's like another situation where I feel like the government doesn't want to step on religious freedom but at what point do you step in. Well I mean I just don't think that this should be allowed to tie someone to the bed and not give them food and water at that point if they're refusing food and water and in in claiming self that they're going to harm. Yeah self harm you need to call take them to hospital while they they might still be restrained to their bed but using you know medical restraints medical equipment and they'll be under medical care and if they choose to see priests while they're there I mean I just feel like I don't know if I saw my daughter running around the house eating bugs off the floor and barking barking like a dog and growling and hundred percent black Isan refusing to eat like. I don't know maybe I'd be like Oh my God I don't know it's it's weird. It's kind of a tough. It's a tough call. Yeah I think that you can believe in the devil and still seek medical help. I think you can be religious and still call a doctor. Yeah if you wanted to perform an exorcism on your loved one. Then do it at a hospital. Where they're getting water and medicine I mean? Don't they have those vitamin services. Now or are they like bring vitamin truck. And you like ten get him. If you're hung over exorcisms Malibu. It's like the Malibu Extra Civic Center we will exercise demons and give you would be twelve. Took I yeah I I just. I don't understand when people believe in God but at the same time don't believe in anything that their God would have created such as doctors medicine or hospitals to me. That doesn't make sense. If you believe God made everything then. God made these things that will help. Your sick loved one. I know is that that makes sense. Yes isn't it no. It doesn't make sense. I understand what you're saying I don't I don't know stresses me out that people I mean. Hey it's your life whatever I know. And it's like I don't want to tell people what to believe. I kind of believe in everything because I'm a Weirdo. But it's hard for me to imagine a world where you would let your child died because of a possession honestly to them. It was like it was more important for them to save Hersholt than her like her life life to let her live a life. Yeah I think I think to any person of faith no matter what the religion is you are a deeply religious person. I think that it will always be more important to save their soul. Okay so I feel like this is kind of going in a direction where if analysts believe the same something would she want exactly what to happen happened and then I think so at the end of the day. It's her life. Also I think even if she wasn't mentally ill because she was always he's not religious. I don't think that she would have changed. What happened and I think? Maybe that's why the verdict ended up the way that it did because they they knew that analysts being religious like that would have wanted the same thing. Yeah and then it's like when do you step in. When do you not let someone's life be their own life? Yeah it could be. You know 'cause doctors could be like we'll know analysts please. You might believe that. But you're mentally ill. You can't make that decision but then her parents are like. Will you believe that we believe that. And we're going to do what we think you would want us to to do. All of these cases are really hard to convict people because it is Kinda squashing on their religious freedom and even though we act like we only have that the United States have religious freedom like everywhere in Europe. So yeah it's just the government doesn't want to tell people that they don't have these choices. But yeah I I don't know when people start dying. I please KIP. These people water. That should be a new rule that should be in the exorcism training. That they you have to hydrate. Maybe it is. Maybe that's in the one thousand nine hundred nine guidelines please give them an IV with hydration. I mean you would think if the Catholic churches really trying to revamp their expert systems which is just a weird thing to even think about that they would be performed at a hospital. You Know Vatican City the hospital probably a really nice one. So what. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah they should be somewhere like that really boils down to is just sad for annelies annelies no matter what it was if it really was the devil. If it wasn't it was her own mind. She died so young and she died over. Like a gruesome ten years. I would say a good decade less than a decade. I think it started in sixty eight and she died in seventy five yup. Yeah I think so. I think that the ten months of her exorcists exorcisms terrible were just brutal. Basically almost a year of just brutal will Some Times they would be as long as four hours uninsured the whole time. She's probably screaming. That's terrifying yeah I can you imagine living in that house like I couldn't even listen to the Freakin Youtube for more than like three minutes and I was like acting. Turn this off. Maybe it's just the German language like this is terrifying. I mean it's just a German English translation. It super harsh. It sounds it sounds scarier I mean yeah I duNNo. It's really scary. It is scary and this is this is is our last spooky episode for a while. Yeah tell us what you think does. This was our spooky Raffia. Halloween lean season. Gone out with a say that. But yeah we're going out with a bang of the scariest scary as possible subject. I think in my opinion Dan tell us what you think. Do you think that she was possessed. You just think it was a really terrible case of child abuse. Yeah leave a comment on our on our Instagram yeah on our episode post. Do you think it was real to think. Do you think the devil came into her mind. Mind a sick the five the five demons. I think it was what there were six. There's one more I think I believe you. And it was at five. And it was started with athlete france-soir or something like that. Like does Hitler think he's caught shit because he gets to be tied in here with fucking like Lucifer. The Guy I on Weird history called it a real murderer row of Yeah and it was yeah. It was like Cain and Judas Judas UNISOM Lucifer I guess. Niro and Hitler Kinda similar narrow was the emperor wri he was like a European Roman Roman emperor belief so killed mention. Yeah same thing like Hitler Niro. We're kind of on the same. Yeah he'll Lucifer Qena. Judas are all like kind of big deal in the Bible community. Yeah I mean I wouldn't want to be a came if you will yeah infamous. I thought that Lucifer was just the devil. But is that a a demon. Well okay so I from what I remember he possessed. I want you. You better stop from your Monday. Blues possession got a case of the Mondays He was yeah. I think he is the devil. Yeah that's what I thought too which is essentially a fallen angel right. Yeah yes the devil is supposed to be a fallen angel because everything was created by God even the devil. Yeah he was. I think the story goes. He was God's favorite even. Hey if I had a six pack like that showed off to. Does he have a six pack. Yeah and a sad face yeah. He does have a sad face but greet beard. Great beard pictures of the Crucifixion. Are Just too scary for me. I mean I could imagine as a kid seeing that if you weren't used to seeing it. How scary that would look? I give you really think about it. It's a man nailed to a cross with nails in his feet nails in both hands. Nillubon across cross with a bloody face from Thorne and some of them will have like little slashes like on his torso showing blood too. And it'll be like wearing like a ripped up loincloth. Yeah I mean it's not hugh that's this coming traumatic if you think about it. It's designed to make you feel guilty because you you did that. You're sitting me. God I know Lou okay. Well what's ended there now that we both feel really guilty for just being you should feel bad for being art crucifixes. Trying to teach you that if you don't feel bad about being boring. Oh my gosh. Catholics are they're just so get they feel so guilty but rose so cool. I want one just to wear newell per prayers which Yeah God. I know Catholics. That are GONNA kill me. Well that's essentially don't do it. Don't do it. Let's switch gears from the sadness of our. Let's turn this frown upside down. Let's let's raise the bar of our life. I watched the show that you want to walk. Okay okay likes so excited. I believable so many people text me and asked me if I watch this and I'm currently living off the grid. I unable to watch it. She actually lives in a hippie compound. She is the leader of a colts pretty soon. We're getting power though. So she'll she'll be it's a nudist colony. It's Ed Eh. It's not a whole not a call. It is a nudist colony. There are just balls flop and we worship. We haven't said pussy in like three episodes so there's also that I just wanted to say that no so. The show was unbelievable. And it's on Netflix. And it is really really good. Ah Give me the gist. all-star cast first of all my girlfriend. Toni Collette were dating and Oh I know about different show hoping about totally different show. Okay first of all. I watched unbelievable did you. Yes what were you talking about. I will google it. You talk talk about unbelievable because I am fully on board with Raising the bar. This being are raised the bar because being part of our raise the bar because I'm telling you right bucking now that lady. Detective Voice is the most soft velvety smooth voice. I've ever heard in my life. And she is so calming. Her character was and I want her to be my mom. Yeah that show was amusing. MM using the part or when Toni Collette I seen and the guys like would you shining your flash creeper and the guys like who are you and she goes. I'm detective so and so the real question is who the fuck. Are you friend how I'm going to pretty much introduce myself. Daddy Buddy both GonNa say I'm Jeff and who the fuck are you friends anytime. I meet a stranger from now on shining a flashlight in their face. Even if it's the middle of the day I don't care doing it now. The show is so good. It's a limited series so you can watch it in a day. If you're a psycho lake me. It's amazing and really eye opening just to show how different the scenario will go to depend dependent upon your detective in the case. Yes which was like night and day and it was a little frustrating and hard to watch the bad detective work but it was very powering an awesome to watch the good detective work. Yeah I actually felt I know this is going to sound crazy. I felt at the end. I felt so actually really sad for that the detective I did too but then I had to remind myself. I don't feel bad for him. No he was definitely a jerk in like ruin that girls. He really it just ruins life. Yeah because I just feel like a woman. You're trained to fill bad for a guy when he sucks up at something you fucked up. It's up you know. I think as women are trained for that like a man was emasculated because he sucked up on like. That's like fuck you. If a woman would have done that she would have been fired. Yeah he really ruined her life I I do I do believe that. He honestly felt bad but he should when he was like. You see bad detective work and I just never really thought it was like it was going to be me and then how. Tony didn't say anything. Because what are you going to say like Yo it was you. I was like yeah you go. You don't choose like well gotta go by. Yeah she's like so work harder. Yeah Yeah but when he the last seen when she went in like the victim win by the way like fuck you yeah like that I felt was such a actor. Yeah she was. I felt really great for her but I also lake was like Ooh for him. You know like I felt not bad for him. Yeah I think that's a bad. I felt very like udo like gut wrenching for him. To realize to see the actor realize allies and I guess that's just a test to their acting because I just felt the emotion of that seen her emotion as well as that detective that did bad detective work his realization to watch somebody act out somebody realizing that they ruin. Somebody's life was really terrible. Yeah in the Best Way and the female detectives were like so good and so on their game that it was like good so good so good so good and the other female detective. She was like the best person to talk to you on my caller every day and make you feel better because yes yes. She was so good. The girl that plays a victim. I've she I have been watching her on show so that she was lake nine she is going to be like the Meryl Streep of her generation. Who Thinks Excel? I guarantee it because when she was nine years old she was like why was she in she was unjustified a TV show she was hand standing. Okay she was. She's been on a couple full of other things but on justified she was really really good on last man standing. It's not really a tough chops. Tough acting jobs kind of job on and justified it shoot. She was really good. She played like a kind of like gruff little girl but she was little she. She was good in unbelievable to really good. What is the show that you want us to watch? Tell Him Tell me who I am. That's let's see. So what about okay. I was watching this week. And then if you ever move out of that nudist colony and get some fucking cable like the rest of US okay. It's not cable Internet Internet. Whatever why he doesn't believe in Internet Internet? I will tell you that you guys are outsiders. You'll read the headlines so it is a documentary so it's true okay and it is already description on Netflix. Okay and I can tell you. I've had multiple people texts me and asked me if I've watched it. That is horrible in the best way like horrible like abducted in plain sight. That other documentaries which that I just read like seven articles about it because I knew it pissed me off too much. I was freaking going ballistic when they watch that. I believe that it's like the Michael Jackson thing or the R.. Kelly thing. Oh God terrible. Yeah so this. I'm I'm just GonNa read the description in this documentary. Alex Trust his twin Marcus to tell him about his past after he loses his memory. But Marcus is hiding a dark family secret so I think from the gist. There's like a my friend sent me a like a youtube trailer. You're and he was like have you watched it's horrible but horrible like horrible story but a great documentary to watch an so. I got quickly watched a youtube. WHO video basically? He loses his memory and his twin tells him about this. Like wonderful like totally made up. Childhood that he had bad but I don't know what is real childhood was like Oh my God and he doesn't need us. You need to watch this. I can't watch it. Can we just try to make it happen before. Tuesday you can come over here and watch it. Yeah I think I can make it happen before Tuesday okay. Is there like a time limit. You can sit at starbucks. Not If you keep boring Pacino's Espresso Espresso Espresso thirty seven spread. She's also nude. I think we should ask her. Okay okay it's an hour and twenty five minutes. I wonder if they'll get suspicious if I'm there for an hour and twenty five. No just pretend like you're writing a screenplay that's what people do their okay now. People think we live in La all right. Well that can be our Raise the bar. I have a bar raise though I ran the bar bar Bar. Let's let's do it. I went to Tong eibar pies at bar seventy five days I want to the Tonga Room in San Francisco. It's the oldest tiki bar in California in the basement of the fairmont which is staying there so fancy fancy but but it's cool. It's a really really fun bar in San Francisco and it's kind of like you know old school. People have known about it forever. So I would recommend going. I had had drinks I danced. My friend tried to climb a rope ladder. They do have security. Don't do that. They don't don't love it fun bar. So if you're ever in San Francisco I wanNA check out something cool cool and old and not you know new trendy eighty check it out. I made new entrance good tied at both. But I'm just saying you know you might Google San Francisco to pop up but what's what's your name again Tonger Room Tonga Room and Tiki Bar Lounge. No it's Tonga Room and the Lost it I longer room Tonga Room and tiki lounge TIKI debare hurricane bar hurricane bar. It doesn't matter just in Tonga Room. And there's very there's a little bit my little. Yeah you hear that Click in. You're welcome that was for you. You you you just got tingles. You're welcome. You are welcome next up. So we'll be eating chips okay. And cheers cheers cheers to that. Don't forget hydrate meditate masturbate. I never forget funny story. You have a story. I do punish so tiffany and I just for a little history story. We worked at the same dive bar and our local town and we would. Have you know your regulars that come in. I am happy guy. Gerry and we called him Canada Gary because he was from Canada. Nobody knows Oth- name. He's very mysterious. He would come in. He would rarely early drink. He would order franchise coke and he would seeing the most atrocious version of Amarillo by morning on the Karaoke that you've ever heard in your life. He is a very one note in every aspect of his personality even like his hair and his skin. Dan was all watch out for us as a beige person. He even just wore like clothes. He was just beige. Beige Gary Free from Canada. anyways he was a very nice man from what I knew of him and he always pretty so klay except for when he fucking fucking tortured me with a royal by more naming. God I swear this guy is is either the most toned up human. I've ever met. or He is just cruel. I think he was completely toned about got anyways so my story is beige man. Come in either French fries with Ketchup. Anna coke or root beer. Sometimes maybe everyone's he'd get fucking wild and crazy and have like a course light if somebody else bought it for him or I would buy it for him sometimes so he comes in. It's nighttime and Oh God. I can't remember if it was the other person's birthday that used to work with us or if it was actually Gary's birthday anyways we were all there. The we had a group of wet five bartenders. The owl like Aaron's in just just basically caused a ruckus everywhere. We went so we go in. We're having a good time. This is Gary from Canada. Happens happens to be in there because I think it's a Karaoke night. Yeah it just gets it gets pucker wild okay. People were buying him. I think think it's what was he drinking. I need to know I am him drinks so he was drinking. What everything yes? He ended up on the bar top stripping his hose down. Oh my God not somebody you want to see stripping but the strangest not to be mean but just not somebody that you would think about stripping. Okay imagine in those Coffee Room Aliens permenant black. That is what Gary looked like but in human hybrid form of those like Long Beach Alliens. Did he have chester. Do you remember sparse the weird the strangest part is he's wearing two pairs of underwear. Await what this is wearing two pairs of underwear. So I mean we were on those ripping him down. Who knows by taking cold? I don't even know he was wearing cowboy hat okay. He was wearing two pairs of underwear. And we know that because he got down to his underwear and people are trying to stick bar plastic straws straws in his butt crack of all my and they couldn't get to his butt crack because he's wearing two pairs of an of tidy. Whitey's do you remember boxers. Think one was a boxer. One was tied. Wait wait wait wait. He was wearing two different kinds of underwear at the same time. Yes and there was whip cream everywhere. Oh my God at one point I know I have a picture. Somewhere or milkshake has feature somewhere with a straight Red Bar Straw in Gary's buck row Out of Iraq. Did he come back the next day. Did he ever come back you know. I think they saw him a couple more times. But I don't know you just give you my recurring nightmare of Amarillo Arroyo by morning. Why did he have two pairs of on the situation? No He's like. I love the look of boxers but I love the security of a breath stomach other something I have no God and that was the ninety stripped. Maybe those were the only two pairs of any was homeless. We had to wear both pairs. He wasn't homeless. He had a job remember he was. I don't remember. He was assigned spinner that anyway. That is just one of the many crazy stories that have the only reason brought that one. Thought you were there that night. No I was really mad that I wasn't there. It's like one of the rare times I wasn't there. Oh my gosh but then again. Maybe it's good that I it wasn't maybe I would have been traumatized really missed out on Gary Sweet bought the Gumby of Canadians. Gosh stage gumby with sparse chest hair and like a dad. Dad Bod Beige Gumby. Yes a mustache and a straw cowboy hat. That's always ascribed on his dating profile. One time. Gummy did where a straw cowboy hat in an episode. And I think that's what Gary Look like. Oh my God but he was Gary. If you're you're listening you're awesome love you. We Love you Canadian. Mary but please stop fucking singing Amarillo by morning. We look past the two pairs of underwear but we cannot look pasternack western Ontario. Like totally digging the two pairs of where. I'm digging that you're so open with your sexuality that you let random strangers sticks draws in your butt crack. Maybe he couldn't feel his body at that point he was so gone he's like I don't even know what's going on. I loved it. That was one of the funnest nights. Yeah that it was it was kind of famous for awhile because he it was so out of character for him. Oh my gosh. That's just crazy to see those pictures again. I would give my left Pinkie to see those pictures again. And all you see is like blur lights bottles and Gary's ask with a red strong stuck up and it was just amazing cowboy hat and whip cream and it was so fun God that is a great great great Barr Story. I now I'm GonNa try to think of one for next week but I there's like nothing that tops that oh I have ones at top that okay. We'll next week next week. We'll have to do. Another one. Sounds good guys hi. Are you the Weirdo. who kind of brought down the morale last time went to tear happy hour when you talked about your favorite disappeared EPOCA? Yeah I hate when that happens. But that's okay because this is the podcast for you. I'm Kathy I'm tiffany and this. This is happy hour gets weird a little late on women. Should we do it again. This is happy hour gets weird. Oh we got it we gotta take to all right. It's about to get weird this podcast. Will we talk about weird shit and drink cocktails cocktails. What are we drinking? We have a really good cocktail this week. What did we decide? What did you decided name? It drunken pear CIDER. That was it. It's so good it is his. Let me taste okay so I can give you the perfect description. It's Bourbon cinnamon simple syrup and perr juice and cider it's delicious. It's it has a cinnamon sugar ram. which is my new favorite? Yeah for every sweet drink now. I want cinnamon sugar. Rim differ every drink cinnamon. Sugar does every milk coffee. What else do soda slurpee is? From seven eleven eleven bring my own sugared slurpee. Cup just took a big drink and it is so good. It's like fall in a cup. Yeah definitely impairs my favorite fruit. I think is it it is. I'm so excited. I didn't even know that cinnamon is my favorite spice. This is the perfect drink for you. It really is and it matches your shirt. What is happening today you are? You always look cute. Hello Oh thank you. I think that this shade of Lipstick. This particular shade really brings out my mustache which I am going out for the month of November. Thank you very met for charity. You can't that kind of stuff when I take a drink. I almost spit everywhere. I do. Love your lipstick. I didn't notice your mustache but if you want it to shine I appreciate that. It's like a very I mean. Isn't that what you do in November Movember. Yeah yeah it's like Aaron Rodgers in your mustache does look a lot like Aaron Rodgers. Actually it's far patchy it's mostly at the ends of the now. Looks like a couple of good hairs as God. Yeah if the charity. Yeah it's fair. I think it's also fashion. It is for charity but also also very fashion forward. Yep He's my start. I liked it so today with our cocktails we are talking about missing missing. Missing Persons Persons cases disappeared. Yeah people who have disappeared people who are missing which I find to be one one of the most fascinating for me personally genres of true crime just the fact that so many people every year just simply vanish without doubted trace is is shocking and scary which to me is it is It is crazy. It's just. There's so much like surveillance now. And there's so much technology tracking people that it is really crazy to think about. We're doing a couple of older stories today today. Yeah but it is crazy to think about that. Even today people can just disappear. Yeah because I mean just think about how many times a day people see you or those a camera or your phone or everything is tracking you. Yeah Alexa it has really really weird speaking of modern modern day disappearances tiffany and I both want to talk about Saddam Organization's terrible organizations and organizations that help up to find missing persons to help fight against just kidnappings are for human trafficking and child sex abuse and for Just missing persons in general. So what what we're GONNA do is we'll talk about my organization that I found that I liked them. I donated to and then you talk about yours and then we're both both gonNA quickly just mentioned like a near and dear I'm going to mention can fuck. It's okay. I just I thought we were just going to do the organizations mine's not new mines old. Okay so what we're GONNA do at the top of it This episode is working to talk about to organizations that help find missing persons They help get the information out about missing person cases and the organization. I'm GonNa talk about specifically geared towards missing persons that had been possibly so perfect trafficking Burnham or or child abuse. Yeah City all miss her with mine. Yeah go ahead and then you have the my thing on your I do go ahead on. So Oh mine is actually called Thorne DOT ORG and a couple years ago. I've all people Ashton Kutcher Demi Moore when they were married. There's a throwback for you watched a documentary on child sex trafficking and they were so horrified and upset upset that this goes on that they started. Thorn T. H. O. R. N. TO HELP COMBAT CHILD SEX trafficking child sexual abuse use and material legally NFL legally known as child pornography. So it's child sexual abuse material which is also also known as child pornography. So does so much for this and it's really incredible but he yeah. He testified in front conquer. Yeah I saw that and it was was so moving it was incredible. It is and this is a great great great organization. I personally choose to donate towards this organization and we'll put it on are instagram people. Come to information. Yeah so they just a little bit about porn. is they use three kind of tools or ranches to to put a stop to this and one branches accelerate and they use spotlight to it's basically a startup and a organization that helps fight human trafficking. So they have all the technology of a startup but they they're using it for good so they developed this system called spotlight and it basically helps police authorities identify victims In the system. So it's a system. Where say they find a picture of child pornography and the background of that picture looks familiar? They put the background in a spotlight system And then if another picture or video is found they match up those backgrounds and kind of figure out where the background I've heard of something similar to this or the do identifying features of somebody or stuff like that and it really a health accelerate finding these victims obviously why they called it accelerate. I'm the second is equipped. They provide a small all companies to midsize companies with guide books on how to keep children safe on their platforms or in their companies It's called the sound practices guide and it just helps recognized remove and report and and to prevent child sexual abuse material or child pornography and and abusive behavior on their platforms. So I'm assuming it would be like an online pop for maybe like a chat room or something like that they provide a guideline hi to kind of recognize Weirdos in there anything suspicious and you can go straight on their website and register your information and they you download onto guideline right away And then the third branches in power they have researchers that gathered data. On where how what Why they allies that in nature in order to prevent further abuse They use this is this part is like so fascinating and and like wow. We're like getting to a point where it's like might go somewhere. They use software to so the hardest thing about child pornography. The online anonymous people can search anonymously and never get caught. Yeah there's a lot of sharing and it's it's there's like the black lab in the dark while yeah all that so what they do. is they use software to find people searching for child pornography and they actually contact them direct directly and they contact them directly and basically no like. Hey you sick fuck we see you. Oh and my God operator doing and they report them to the authorities and they also encourage them to get help. So I don't know if this Weirdo gets an email or what but So that kind of joust finding out I ran on our website that just someone searching for child pornography repeat just losing that like cloak of secrecy. Yeah usually prevents them from doing it again. You know yeah so that in itself it just might be stopping a lot of these deterring deterring them from going on in these sick fucks always find each other. I doubt is yeah. I just a lot of as shared. So it's yeah really. It's really heartbreaking. How many people are sold in human trafficking in in how many kids are exploited and abused? And if it's the worst break now it's literally the worst thing this is a great organization and that's basically a nutshell that show if you WanNa know more about it. Go on Dot Org. That's an awesome organization really is I'm definitely going to go there and check it out. So do you want to talk talk about yours. Yeah so I found this organization website when I was researching my story. It's called Charlie Project and I'm just GonNa read you their little opening it pretty much. Explains it all the Charlie project profiles over thirteen thousand cold case missing people well mainly from the United States it does not actively investigate cases. It is merely a pub- publicity vehicle for missing people who are often neglected by by the press and forgotten all too soon a person must have been missing for at least one year to be listed. So it's all older cases that people people oh forget about police get I hate to say his Co. Coal Yeah they go cold because you know there's only so maybe they don't have families or maybe there's just no leads may be. The case just went nowhere. Police are so I have so many cases piling up. It's like the older case gets less attention. It usually gets so this organization is kind and like the squeaky wheel for people for cases that need it. What an amazing at actually? We're GONNA talk about one in case we're not going to go into debt but we're just GonNa you know to get the word out. There just mentioned one missing persons case before we get into our story and actually found the information on on Metro. Yeah it's good I mean there's it sadly unfortunately there are a lot of people. There are a lot of individuals on the website. Yeah what I really like about the Charlie. The project is they really like you said highlight underprivileged groups yet for example. This month is native American month on Charlie project so every day they're listing. Being someone of dissent has gone missing. I've heard that native. I mean on other like podcasts and stuff it's been said that native Americans go missing high at a higher rate than other minority groups that too which is really sad and I think that it's really hard to even have that much information in on native American groups because they are sovereign nations where they are. It's just I think it's hard to even have the information out there. So that was really awesome. Charlie project is doing that. Yeah I it was it was a great thing and that brings me to our missing person. shot up for for this episode. And I actually I on our instagram. I had New Follower and it was an account. That's fine Patrick. Alford I know it's like well. What is this and I was looking into it and I'm like well? We have mentioned and yeah like how. How could we? What knowledge? Yeah so Patrick Alford was. He's he's been missing since two January twenty second two thousand ten and he went missing from Brooklyn New York. He's male Black Hispanic. His date of birth was in two thousand two and at the time he went missing he was seven years old He weighed sixty five pounds. He was four feet eight inches. He was wearing a blue jacket. Red T shirt blue jeans and black and white Michael Jordan sneakers He had he suffers from. ADHD e But he wasn't taking his medication at the time of his apparent disappearance yes His distinguishing characteristics was black. Hair Brown eyes Biracial african-american and an Hispanic male. Patrick has a scar over on his left. Eyebrow and a birthmark on his abdomen and his nickname is little p Patrick was last seen in the city in New York City borough of Brooklyn out of pocket elite nine in PM on January twenty second two thousand ten he'd been placed in a foster care home in this Spring Creek Development Complex also known as stare at City Eh three weeks before who's living over three weeks patrick. was last seen assisting his foster mom with household chores he took the trash out and never came back seven on seven years old. That is awful vying. It's an insane Shane. He's never been heard from again. Well we hope that just mentioning. This will get the word out and thank you for following us in. Yeah it's just an. I got that information on Charlie Project and then number on the hotline number for tips in Leeds is eight four four four eight four seven seven seven zero zero and that's eight four four tips seven hundred and what was the name of that instagram account. It was help find. Patrick Alford all tag that I'll tag tag that In reposted end there is a elaborates my heart. There's it it really is. It's her family sought was that. There's no way that we could. Yeah not mentioned this. Yes elway so. That's probably why they chose to follow us so that they would get. Yeah I mentioned yet right though. There was There's a reward up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars So you could also contact the NYPD if you have any information so poor sweet baby seven years old. It's devastating but as devastating Okay you go first. Yeah let's get started okay. So I'm going to start my story. Disappearances missing persons and spaces whatever. You WanNa call them are really hard for me. I kind of flip flop back and forth on a few different stories which you knew changing my mind. I chose one that kind of as they do has theories of what could have happened and I think that most of the theories lean towards something positive. Okay so that's kind of why it chose it. Yeah I also chose it because it was a little bit older. Okay gotTa have many drinks drinks okay. So this is the the story of Thelma Pauline Milton. Okay which Delma. Pauline is. Probably my favorite names now. How does that name Elbow Elbow? Paul Newman name. What if I was her? What if I'm like Benjamin buttoning aging backwards? Maybe you are. Oh my God great secrets out the through Sault okay on September. Twenty Fifth Nineteen eighty-one Film. Appalling Milton disappeared. See in real life. I was five then. So that's why builder builder Benjamin Button all right. My sources are wikipedia unsolved APPALACHIA DOT org SASQUATCH SASQUATCH CHRONICLES DOT COM. My goodness okay. I don't think that they actually talked about sasquatch. Is I think it's just like the area or something because I didn't see X.. Cost Okay and no no. It's nothing about SASQUATCH. I wish it was. I know you now have the thing percents you do all right. Do you write erotic. Fen Fan fiction about SASQUATCH. Sometimes go into cheers cheers too erotic chace clutch advantage. I seriously might do that if you do. Can we read it no just for you. It's just your own personal erotic now in fan fiction I'm GonNa send it to task doc. Okay okay okay. Fair Fair also The Charlie Project I also on the trolley project. Okay so Thelma Pauline Mountain. Ten Vilma had been married for six years to a man twenty years her senior. They spent these years of retirement. Travelling in their airstream trailer. Sounds Pretty fucking cool. Yeah it sounds like yeah. They spent winters in Florida and then summers in the great smoky. Mountains National Park Tennessee. Okay okay good old Appalachian Yeah so Thelma really loved this area in the Appalachians and Appalachian. I think it's Appalachian Apple Apple Appalachian Appalachian. I think we're Appalachian. I think everybody says Appalachians but I think it's actually Appalachian Oak okay. We didn't even know how to pronounce the last name of the whole person we talked about last week. So does this really matter. No euro credit. We have zero zero street cred also so thommo really loved. This area had been hiking the trails for twenty years so she was knowledgeable. Yana data at fifty eight years old. She had some mild health issues. She had high blood pressure. Basically I mean nothing really had. She smoked two packs of Virginia. Slims comes a day which is like pretty impressive. Just picture her these. Yeah Virginia Slim hanging out of her mouth on these frigging hikes Mild health issues. She was pretty strong and active. That Fateful Day Thelma and to campsite friends there was like a group of them always camp together so they were like good friends. Okay they decided to go for a hike around four. PM Her much older and somewhat sickly husband had to stay at the trailer. He wasn't with them. It was just with three women's seventies at this point he yeah like late Seventies. Yeah and he had he had health issues is that I think we're kind of like an oxygen tank. She smoked too many Virginia. Slims know him not her because she because she smoked. Virginia this is limited space all day in their trailer. That probably totally helped us. Health issues just being trapped in a trailer full full of Virginia Slim. Smoke so so yeah it was just on the hike it was Thelma and then two of her friends so they were on this hike and Thelma. All of a sudden started walking faster better than her other friends K. She got ahead of them. Mounting a small Little Hill and descending it okay until she was out of visibility of her friends. You're freaking me out okay. Her friends pretty much shrugged off. Though because at five eleven it was easy for Thelma to out. Outpaced them in a hike. Oh she's walked slightly faster than them. They're they're like. I literally six inch lakes and I'm like the slowest. Yeah so they're they're like whatever will see your back at the camp so but this was the last time anyone ever saw thelma. So they're all in this hike walking as you walk walk slightly faster. But they're like Oh that Selma she probably needs to get go home and get an fresh pack slim's galloping home she must be out of frigging cigarettes and then they we never saw again when they returned to their trailers. They realized that she hadn't returned home and they searched the trail. They went back and searched the trail again thinking you know she probably maybe she tripped fell into a Bush as you do. I don't now. Yeah but they never found her so at six o'clock a search was mounted what like local officials and Thelma was officially considered a missing persons. Okay this is pretty. This is crazy right. It's sake okay. Yeah I know so. A few details came out after her disappearance her pastor. which aren't they supposed to not talk about people? I don't think they have any legal binding ending not to talk just like their contract with God. No it was a pastor. I don't I don't know pastors have the same. First thing is compassion. That's true but they have no confidentiality guidelines. Maybe this pastor is a gossiper gossip. Chatty fucking Capi Pastor Paul. I don't know his name. I'M GONNA call him pastor Paul Literal. I don't know his name says okay. He claimed that that she may have been having an affair with him. No just in general maybe with him. I don't know I guess she confessed to him. Even though you're right they don't have confession Jn. So why would she tell the pastor that look into this. I think that's Paul's just Dick. He sounds like gossip. Waiting in the book Bob. Yeah Jeez yeah that's how I drew in anyways that that rumor of the effort was never corroborated. Okay another little weird thing. Though was she made several phone calls on a work phone that she had never used in her four years of working there the day prior to her disappearance appearance her office because well she volunteered. She volunteered at this At this place as like feeding elderly people's volunteer job. So that's why I'm assuming supply never use the phone. There wasn't really like her office. Who was not a desk eight hours? Yeah yes so. It was like a volunteer talk. She'd never used the phone there before but the day before she disappeared. She She did she used four times and nobody knows they couldn't couldn't who the calls were to which they probably could now but in nineteen eighty-one they couldn't trace the calls. I guess or they. They didn't lead to anything so so. That's pretty much all the information that they had a also when Thelma left she had no driver's license license because of the high blood pressure medication she was on so she couldn't even like legally drive a car who's driving when she van driving. I guess I guess. s the eighty year old with health problems. This man who couldn't even leave his trainer was driving them across across the country so when she vanished she had no oh keys no money and none of her medications were missing. It was just. She was just gone. Okay like that's it's it. Nobody knows some people. Some people think that there's like A. There's most of the theories are that she had somebody meeting her like in the parking lot like she had ed she really did have a secret relationship and the guy was waiting for her so she purposely like left with her slowest friends. She's like I'm going to take the slow bitches. I'm going to take the forecast. Nothing yeah for on a hike. I'm an I'm an outpace them. They're not going to know what happened. And I'm just GonNa Vanish so that's kind of what people think I mean but I guess at this point it could be anything it could be. bigfoot a could be spontaneous spontaneous combustion. You know what really sounds good on this show right now fucking smoke and she and she blew up that cigarette up employees here would maybe she got abducted saying do what you want with my body on repeat and then they're like we're keeping this one really nobody knows thelma. Now joins the company of other unfortunate people that have vanished in these at mysterious mountains. Some of them include in nineteen sixty nine Dennis Martin age six was playing with his his brother and a couple of other kids while the adults visited like in the grass nearby In he vanished in just a few moments of non attention basically they were like. Let's hide in the bushes and scare appearance. And he went to one Bush and the older boys went to another Bush and when the parents walk by they all jumped doubt but him and nobody ever saw them again yes so it was seriously like he was probably nobody was looking at him for pilot. Five ten minutes and he's been he was just gone which to me is like how fast could a six year old move. It's crazy like they. They can't move that fast. In nineteen seventy six knicks. A sixteen year old high school sophomore from Knoxville named trend Gibson went missing while on a hike with her school she seemingly vanished. I like while being surrounded by people it was like group in front her group group in the back then she was just gone okay. Is there a trap door on his Taylor. What I don't know in two thousand twelve a twenty four year old man named Eric? Joseph looking headache carful of survival gear to visit the smokeys but taking none of it disappeared while either on a hike or setting up camp. He left a note saying. Don't try to follow me. Which left some people to speculate suicide suicide but if so why did he bring a car full of camping gear? He was never found other people think that he was trying to do kind of a survivor. Man Situation Okay. And that's why the note. Hey I'm trying to survive. Yeah don't but he was an expert in danger he was never found. This is just a small fraction of the disappearances differences that have happened in the Appalachian Mountains overall. Like if you do a quick Google search. There's so many stories. The the Appalachian trail passes through fourteen states. It's huge so I mean. Stories of murders ex-con hideouts deaths and disappearances are continuously taking place on this never range. Yeah it's I mean it's beautiful and it's amazing. It is rugged dangerous outdoor place that I think people sometimes take for granted. Well to how dangerous or Mother Nature is yeah We will probably not have answers for some if not all of these disappearances because they're so old now and the elements have had so much time to erase any sort of evidence. Yeah but at this point with for for Thelma at least the possibilities are truly endless. Why hope she's out there with her lover? I that's what I that's what I hope. I hope so too smoke up. Having a great time taken somewhere else less dangerous But less dangerous HIKE SACKED OUR END. No it I just realized we both are missing. Stores are both in the Wilderness. Oh My gosh the Wilderness is scary scary and even if you hike somewhere for twenty years I mean anything could I guess potentially happen. It's not like nature doesn't ever change revolve situations can change really really fast when you're in you're in Mother Nature. Well I mean. Just think if you're out there walking and and you twist your ankle and hit your head on a rock and pass out and your friends are right behind you on the trail and you're just out of trail eyesight and they're calling your name. You're not GonNa the answer 'cause you're unconscious and by then a bigfoot could drag you off have his way with you and there you are knocked up in a cave somewhere taking care of his babies exactly down and your last Virginia Slims. That's not the story. The story is she has a boyfriend who's not bigfoot and they ran away together yes poor poor husband who drove him home. That's what I WANNA know. I think each of slow that makes me very nervous. I think NCUA driving the whole time and I didn't even think about that. So you said it all. She can't drive and he kept the trailer driving MS airstream around the country the guy that's too sick to walk in charge of Dr Evil who were driving the speed limit in the passing lane. Get over. Oh God okay. We'll that was stain kind of freaky out. There for the first half of that and then maybe she was like you know what I can't bear. My husband can't take divorce. His health isn't just with Santa divorced so I'm just GONNA disappear for Industry Wide Drag your two friends into it. Why don't you just tell you to go for a walk by myself? Yeah I mean if she'd been hiking for twenty years. I don't think anybody would have thought it was weird. If she went for a hike by yourself that is true. That's a good point. Why did she have her friends? Go Do you think your friends were in on it. Maybe I'M GONNA go. I'm so excited about this by the way it's a pretty crazy story. It's really sad and and equal parts fascinating and sad all in one story and it's true it's really so actually. This is a hometown story and I didn't not even mean to do that. I just happened upon this and it happened to be in in my hometown. I love it grow Razi and I know where this happened. I've been this happened. I mean my God where this happened and totally really. I didn't even know growing up in this town. I didn't know about this story just kind of sad because you think it is sad. I would want people to know. No I think because if it were me. They came from an underprivileged group. I think it wasn't hot. News hot sauce. I guess there was a lot going on on. They didn't have pastor Paul to fucking Talk Shit about him. Not So this is a story of a Yuba county five my sources are a two-part Sacramento Bee article written by Benji Eagle. I think by the name of out in the cold. Four mentally disabled man died in the woods. What happened to if I also used? The wikipedia page skimmed it. I also used. I'M WE'RE GONNA have to see this map by the way. I'M GONNA put a Mac on our instagram post with this episode. Okay and you'll see like how crazy out of the awesome. Yeah I kind of briefly just I had to like look at it a little bit but I didn't read the end I just briefly looked at it and I do not understand why they ended up where they were. You know that I am sorry it was. I just wanted to know if I knew it. I was just seeing if I heard it. So the the article article was written on a strange outdoors dot com and the name of the article is Matthias Group from Yuba city destroying stuff on us mountains and underneath the picture Of A map. But they're not from there also has the car too. I disease the pitcher pictures from this article doesn't say who is written. So let's get into it and really into this drink. I just WANNA say that one more time. It's so right now. I don't think it'd be so into the Bourbon but I am. It's pretty good. I we also used ready to for some that theories on what I what I looked at it to remind. Sorry I forgot to say ah the overall theory that she ran off with the boyfriend. Yeah and that's what made me happy. I mean I guess sorry for the husband but young. Yeah I mean. I can't drive home without your wife. The main thing that made him mad at the end of backup key up I am so well when well. He won't cancer with a Virginia. She made him spaghetti sauce before she left. I forgot to say that part so at least he had dinner one time. Hi Okay so altered. I'm sorry this is a serious one so peppy. Murray in nineteen seventy. This went minds is also all kinds of one. Seventy eight nineteen seventy eight. Do you know two things that happened. In nineteen seventy eight February nineteen seventy specifically typically Roman Polanski took off to France for jail. Time for rape met thirteen year old. He's addicted Bundy was just arrested in Florida after escaping from Colorado Joe. He's a Dick. ooh That was like right operated as Florida's spree. Ouch okay so February. Nineteen seventy eight was also when mysterious disappearance of five men rock. The small town of Marysville California just forty miles to Sacramento Sacrimento that I was like food. That's a pretty mysterious is rough so the town the police and and their families refer to these five men actually. They're men who range from early twenties to early thirties as the boys so I don't think they minded this so I'm going to call them the boys throughout this. I think it's probably because they were probably mentally the age of adolescent boys voice. Yeah the sense. It was like a term of endearment not a term a little mini. Yes back out I took it. Yeah the five men were Paul Developmentally delayed or mentally handicapped handicapped in some way in the original articles. They're referred to as mentally slow retarded witch which were not doing that but I will read the quote some quotes from the article that do contain that So that's why yet I am not sure if any of them were formerly diagnosed the lake. What did they were autistic or just felt mentally disabled or just a low I Q? They weren't the never said if they were formally diagnosed. But it doesn't matter the boys met through Gateway Project it is is a now closed organization defunct defunct thank you Organization for adults with special needs. They became fast friends and they were pretty much. The forum inseparable. Four of them were inseparable most of his talk so quote from Sheriff Beecham who I think was a sheriff non at the time of this disappearance at that time. The article was written which is early this year. Your he said quote. They were kind of described as stunts of their community. Do you know the special needs folks they orthopedic they were very well legged very well respected. They were nice kids. Thanks people so they play basketball for the special fool. Epics Amazing Yeah. They played basketball for with a gateway project. They have like a basketball league that they travelled around the pretty much as a group loved basketball the ball. I'M GONNA go in to a little bit. Eat who the men or boys who the boys were. So Jack. Hewitt was the youngest When he was twenty four when he was the most severely handicapped of all the boys his father said he couldn't read could right and relied heavily on his mother and Tad ahead another one of the voice for help? He didn't like to be away from home for extended periods especially not overnight. And that's pretty much. All there was in this article about being Jack Wise other than he was a nice boy. Nice Guy Bill. Sterling was twenty nine. He used to be a dishwasher at the the bill. Air Force Base but his mother made him quit when she found out some airmen were consistently getting drunk so they could steal his money. Oh rude so fucked up I I was like Oh. That's funding getting drunk. While he's doing dishes but really fucked up then. Yeah that's not quote. They should have just gotten him drunk. Just the dishes because that makes dishes way more fun and his family had a cabin in bucks rate in Plumas National Forest who I love Bucks Lake so pretty and he apparently took him fishing near once in once was enough room doors fishing. He's going back to your day. Camping is a lot so he would stay home if they ever went up there. And the night he vanished he fifteen dollar allowance and Max of California Sacramento Stockton in San Francisco. ENCISO I I guess in seventy eight. You actually did need mouths if you're driving. Look it up for NAP. I get lost using my phone. GPS still sometimes huff job. Drew Guy was thirty. He worked as a dishwasher at sense wheat growers local Dry Food Company Have a relatively used to work there. You do I Gosh what if you knew him he might have I'M GONNA use direct quotes from the article Family member slow police He wasn't mentally retarded not mentally retarded quote not mentally retarded in the common sense of retardation carnation merely slow his thought process So he managed his own finances. He you you within the army as a truck driver from sixty fifty sixty eight and hint and one other man were the only two drivers license and withdrew action in her car that he loved loved loved saying he was just like mildly slow. Yeah yeah like high functioning yeah okay and then there they were Ted where he was thirty. Two He loved making France. You Super Friendly And according to his family he just lack like basic common sense. For example he bought one hundred dollars worth pencils for no particular reason Cologne. He would question simple instructions stopping at a stop sign or actually one time. When his parents the house caught fire he they were in the house and he was laying his dad and his brother whose name is Dallas said? Hey we gotta get out. He said leave me alone. I have to the rest for work tomorrow and just like lay. They're watching the flames on the ceiling. So He's ended up having to like drag him out my goodness so he would also wake in the middle of the night and ask. How can mickey mouse can hit a ball farther than me? I mean I wonder that too. It was Gary Matthias who was twenty five. He was a little different from the other guys. I I don't know if he was mentally handicapped or not. I guess you've had you been to be in this program. But he was a singer in a local band he played football at Maryville high school. He was just a little bit different from that like he was part of the group but the four in the previous four were really close in Gary within their huge is a little bit different. I mean it's hard to know. Like what was really the situations with these guys. Since it was the seventies I feel like you know the everything was so different back then what we knew about mental antle health and all kinds of stuff and also how would they even. How would the organization even did they have to approve? People I mean how did do they know. Do you get what I'm saying like good. Anybody just walk up and be like I want to do this. I don't know yeah. I'm gary diagnosed schizophrenic. Okay with it. I don't know if he was developmentally. Only delayed or was on a spectrum and I think that that was kind of the catch all back in the day for people with any sort of mental disorder. Agree with that that paranoid schizophrenia. It was kind of like. Here's a label in Pill. Yeah Yeah Okay. So then night of their disappearance silence. Okay ready I'm ready. I'm so excited all right so I cannot ought put the freaking date on here one idiot. It's okay okay. It's the night of their disappearance. They were actually in G-go oh and they went. Their favorite basketball team was. UC Davis In UC Davis Verse Chico Chico UC Davis once they are like on the they all went up there survives on out there Gary Ted Jock bill and the doctors. To Jack's One Jack drove his own car and then everybody else piled in their male drove up there together so the UC Davis wins their punt and they leave the game. They're coming home. They're coming home because the next morning. And they have asked ballgame through the Gateway Project in Rock Lynn. Okay and so there for that too so there there's no reason why they with Nocco home and she going Rocklin. It's like a couple of hours. Yeah just people that aren't that don't know area. Yeah so Chico always north of Marysville Rockland is South Mursal so they lead the basketball aid and just before ten PM. They stopped at a convenience store in Chico and loaded on on Sax for the ride home and this was the last time that an that any of them were seen alive again so but the early morning hours. Here's all the voice. Parents were extremely worried. They they all started calling each other and saying like hey at your house here they your house known own over here so they tried to in. This is a Friday night. The game was on a Friday night. up in Chicago so they they wouldn't have missed that game for anything. In fact the boys were like please wake US dot lettuce. oversleep visit very important to us to get to Rockland could play. Yeah Yeah they were athlete. That's a big deal. So the the parents all sorta talking we totally colder musician gone but they went and we wanted to see their favorite basketball game possible team. That's fair so the weekend came. And with no sign of the five men and then on February twenty eighth Jack Madrid nineteen nineteen sixty seven. Mercury Ontario was found by. US force service worker. It was parked at the snow. Lying in this mountain road on this mountain With empty snappers inside a quarter tank of gas and when it was hot wire is started right up and it didn't Now the report that the it seemed to be is so what part. What Mountain area was it? Okay so I'll explain that now if you're not familiar with Chicago or that. Part of Northern California is basically along like the ninety nine corridor. kind of I guess you would call it ninety nine yeah so Marysville Just a little bit north of Sacramento up ninety nine and just a little bit more. I would say an hour. North Marysville straight up by a straight shot up yeah north ninety nine was Chico so they had a straight shop. Ah One road all the way back into town yes they ended up out in the wrong direction in fucking like near Quincy. Yeah they were not in the right and there was no way this road that they took it was a wrong turn. It had to be delivered there no way they could have taken a a long term in it. I mean it was not just a couple of minutes off their track of those two out. It was like two hours out of the way in the wrong direction and very deliberate. Because is it well. You know that it's far away because there was snow and where they lived. It never snowed like that's how much out of the way it was. Yeah and it was so basically basically they had to get off ninety nine and go on I think entirely seventy of first quincy. Yuck and I okay so I told you at the beginning that I have been here have been here What I would marry every year we go up to these now specifically in the pufus actually get a tree get Christmas and it's very deliberate and in the middle of nowhere and it's on a fucking mountain? It's not like you would. It's there's no way that they accidentally got this. Far Out of the way. And I at the specially with all these maps yeah and while they didn't have while the map calculation I went in November and there was a lot of snow in November and do you here in February and there was probably twice as much now. Yeah fifteen foot SOBEK's so they go on this road to quincy like it is WII laying on the side of mountain road. It's like you would immediately. Even if you did happen to go the wrong way you would immediately be like wait. This isn't the way we came why they had to go through Orrville L.. which is a town? Yeah on the edge of Organ League. Yeah which if they were lost they could have stopped at a gas station. They could've stopped an origo. So the bottom. aww The highway and there were heading supposed to be heading south. They got off the highway. And we're heading northeast. And then they went through the town of Orville and didn't stop and they went through the town of Orrville up more off northeast on a whiny mountain road heading nowhere. It went through Quincy ency and then once you get through Quincy and up these mountains road get smaller and then all of a sudden these logging roads food these dirt logging roads had up to the top of the mountain and they're everywhere and they just they start bigger they get smaller. They get smaller. They get smaller and basically basically it's just roads for loggers to log this mountain. So that's the kind of rotate on. So what did they find okay so they found that there the car with a damaged. Yeah Oh you said that they hot wired and it started right up Susan. No issues with the car still had gas. They didn't run out of gas and all and it was just on the edge of the road. It wasn't like it was stuck. We'll see there was to report there. There is conflicting reports. Some reports said said that it wasn't stuck in some reports secretaries were standing in that stuff. So I don't know maybe they got stuck but if so that's not like really big deal because why the fuck where there. Yeah that's not the issue and and there was five men. They could have dug out their car. I'm sure yeah it's not like it's one small person. They're they're athletic basketball playing men. They're strong they were. Yeah two hundred pounds like they so they had the capabilities. What is to get unstuck if it was so wanting to know about the car? Is Jack Madrid gotTA. This car was his pride and joy like He. Yeah Yeah Let. Anyone drives his car. He be so and it was a heavy car and then at I. Five guys into isn't even a heavier car. And what investigators noticed that it was fairly undamaged from traveling. This road and this road was was brutal it was righted. It was bumpy. It was snowy it was a dirt road. It was twisty turny. An upper mountain and driving a low profile has a car like that. You would top out in you. Were saying you would and they found it fairly undamaged surveyed that meant they kind of assumed that will maybe he knew the area like me. He'd been there before maybe they kind of the suit led them to believe that whoever was driving the car new the road and new high navigated and had a plan and how Dr Without damaging a car in the middle of the night. Was it. This time it's GonNa be like midnight. Oh Yeah I didn't even think about that. They were driving in the door. My God driving in the snow in a Non Snow car a scary enough let alone in the dark on this okay. It's crazy. It is really crazy and scary. So Jack's parents parents said he didn't camping. You've done like being the cold and he wasn't familiar with the area. So that's two of these guys that did like camping where people I'm trying to say. He was going to back to Bucks Lake. That was another one of the voice. Oh John Bat okay. Was Bill Okay Sterling. I think he was one or news it was. It was a different person whose family okay. Sorry go ahead My mind is just trying to process this. Yeah yeah that was will now by GONNA wind out that was bill stirling okay. He's the one whose family but he also did like. Yeah he didn't like it either. Yeah so we have to these guys. It's all my being called. Don't let that don't like can't be at another one. That doesn't like to be away from home overnight right yeah and they all have risen to be home exactly so investigators immediately immediately started looking for the five so the weekend past Monday comes around. The family is called the authorities. And then you go out there and sifting through so beings The dogs these horses helicopters. Nothing they found nothing more than six thousand combined. Ours percent searching for the voice My God A like I said this this place where they went. There was no way they could marriages charges on a wrong turn. It had no. There's definitely no way deliver I. It's like two hours away from where they were supposed to be. Yeah and it wasn't just off and through other towns through another town a okay so investigators obviously were desperate to find them. They even consulted a psychic. My God again. We have to psych. Except we do so. The Psychic said that she saw bodies in green canvas bags The even consulted Abbadi which which is someone who come let in someone who comes goes to place a certain specific place? We're looking for someone. And they use school staff to kind of like a water witch. Yeah but I have never heard of this. Gosh so the body which was brought in his magic rod pointed to in-cabin in-cabin. Sorry just Oh my God okay. Well Magic Rod K now. I'm thinking about Magic Rod. Pay Somebody digs in my head right now. Shooting sparks goes as Magic Rod. He's just like hands on his hips. Gandalf the grey so he pointed to a cabin his his magic law. The for lack of a better term didn't do that on purpose. Twenty two empty cabin but there was no clues. Oh Oh man. That's exciting that now. Okay so this is kind of a weird leave that they had and it ties into one of the theories that I found on the Internet. Now there is this man who happened to be up on the mountain on the same road within yards okay. Their car was scowl being campsite for him and his wife and his daughter so he went up there that night to Scout Scout a campsite out in K.. Why you would go at night midnight midnight? And he was in his car and he said that he had seen Six or seven shadowy figures and heard voices but then also admitting to having a heart attack that night in his car and he was loosening so this guy was up at midnight driving around a snowy mountain and then just had a heart attack and then he never got out of the car and ask for help. He just waited in the car so he felt better from is hard leads and then just drove down the mountain. Why not yeah so okay? The investigators made him go to a cardiologist and he really did have a heart attack. He didn't have a heart attack. Okay maybe nobody should ever maybe this mountainous. If you're Kirsten tackle why would it you call out if you see people and I don't know maybe he he couldn't. I don't know if you can. Can you talk. I don't know That's a fucked night as well but also it's weird very weird. Yeah and so so more than three months went by and there was no sign of the boys. It's if they walked into a snowy night in vanished into thin air so in June fourth so federal multiple made June four months later. A group of bikers. Were taking a ride in the Plymouth National Forest. I when it came upon an abandoned. US Forest Service outpost trailer and they were overtaken by on a strong smell of death. I knew it like no. Apparently they were like. Oh this is not good could he. I know it they stay. Describe it as a smell that you've never smoked before but when you know exactly what it is hell God this outpost with nineteen miles from where the car was found. I mean that's pretty far. Yeah they call the police to walk. Walk in the to walk in the snow. Yeah it is pretty far. They call the police and tree. Cruz actually had to come in and they spent half daycare intrigued by road just to get to the trailer of so it was very secluded. Yes and It was locked trailer our other than a broken window and once they enter the trailer again the smell and they found anti-cancer food wood furniture furniture extra clothing paperback books in Ted. We're Saudi now. I'm GonNa read a direct quote from the Article Cool. How the state that Ted weirs body was in okay Okay so we're the one whose brother said he lacked common sense so this is the one who didn't want to leave the house in the fire. Yes he was found under eight layers of sheets on a bed inside the trailer with his hands on his chest. Both pant legs were rolled up above his knees were feeling apparent lead poisoning and gangrene as well as five toes lost to frostbite forensic analysis of his beard growth indicated. He had survived four to six weeks after going missing during which time he hit eighty eighty two hundred pounds from his five foot. Eleven two hundred pound frame a brown leather wallet a rain inscribed with the word Ted and a bead necklace Klis lay on the bedside table. There's also a yellow metal. Watch that Weir's family said didn't belong to him so backed act is what they found inside the trailer God. Now they found. Recently Split Candle thirty-one Kansas food that were pried open in eaten And they were opened with a very specific kind of can opener. Army P thirty eight can opener opener. which needs you kind of have to have experience with it to use it experience only mcdouga- who was a driver waiver from sixty six to sixty eight and Matthias was also in the army Those would have had experienced. Open the cans using can opener. Ted's leather shoes were missing. And Gary Matthias is tennis. Shoes were found inside the trailer leading investigators to believe that at least east. Gary Matthias was at some point inside the trailer. We've tad long enough to switch shoes okay. So they're thinking maybe Tad's leather I was GONNA lay down. My face. WAS MAYBE GONNA walk for help. He attended shoes had leather shoes. That were more sturdy against snow. Some mayday switch shoes. There is only evidence of those to the trailer. Yes so now. A lot of people think this is strange but if you really think about Out who these boys were. These men were and the situation they were in like a survival situation and their families have a lot of them lacked. Common Sense It kind of makes sense so they found the locker. There's two lockers. One locker full of the cancer that they had already opened for another lock was full of light. Dehydrated food They last a year could eat for a year that it that lock wasn't even open. Wow that's sad god yes and then also there was gas connected to the trailer so they could have turned the heat on and there was also books to burn learn furniture to burn material. Start a fire and they did have access to a lighter fire and none of that was burned. So people like a widen. They do that but you have to think if someone you know first of all if they don't have to get out of a run building. Yeah that makes sense. That is just kind of heartbreaking that they actually had the means for survival that they needed for fertile at least until they were found in June. But yeah I mean I agree what you're saying with with what you're saying it's like these men lacked these kind of basic Skills for survival and I have to put myself in that position. They're scared so they're even less scared. They're confused disoriented. The come upon honest trailer that seems to be locked. Maybe and who knows how long it took for them to even get from their car to their they could have been wandering around for so long and then found it. It's not like they just walked from their car directly there. Yeah I have to put myself in that position like in that situation and I find it abandoned trailer. Would I know to turn the gas on. Do I even know how to do that. I would probably blow myself up if I turn on gas. I would just probably like light a fire in the sink or something to get warm like I wouldn't even think about I write for show The dehydrated food thing is sad though it really is. There was enough food for all of them to survive a year. Maybe the I mean. And if they're walking on snow though and the guy had they were out there obviously long enough for the guy to have frostbite so I mean they could have all been very sick at that point. Too dehydrated disoriented mean okay. So that was ted. We're yeah withdrew data and sterling being so Jack mcdouga- who owned the car and bill stirling. Who didn't lead campaign From Bucks Lake they were found two days later. Eight miles closer closer to the car and on opposite sides of the road so they were found closer to the car one was on one side of the road any other was on the other side right so they were separated operated. They weren't together the two boy the the two boys were not like they weren't found together. They were found opposite. Sides of the road So off to one side and the other side Nothing but scattered bones were left to sterling's body and bad withdrew. His body had been dragged to a nearby stream by animals. His car keys were still in his pocket and it was turned the hype. Hypothermia exposure was the cause of death for Jack with Jack Mateus death and sterling's positive was never determined and because he was clearly on scavenged by animal. Yeah so we have now ted We're here we have Jack Magenta and have bill stirling. So there's two more we have Jack Hewitt Missing in Gary Thaddeus Jackson Hewitt Father Jat Hewitt's father was warned not to help investigators on the recovery mission but on June a we saw what appeared to be his son's jacket near the Outside near the trailer and when he reached down to pick it up Jackson fell out if he was later identified his school in his teeth that were found nearby so he was just outside of the trailer dead. Yeah So by June eighth four of five men had been found and Gary Matthias is still missing to this day they never found Gary Matthias It's not no. Why drove their what they were doing? They have none of those boys. were familiar to the area. And they had no reason to be up there area and they had every reason to drive home to Marysville so that's basically the story of the Yuba county five This story is kind of drives me crazy. There are so many you you have so many questions over some theories. Okay I did want to just leave a cliffhanger like that. Yeah he's going to be because they're just his theories. Yeah so doesn't this make you wanna like go and find their friends and be like did they say anything did they say. They wanted to run away. Do they say they knew about this trailer and they wanted to try to live there like I knew about the trailer. I don't think I don't think they did either. Because they had so much exposure from the from the boy boy that was in the trailer had so much exposure if they knew about it they would have just gone directly there so the only thing big thing when they got for whatever reason brought them there survey thing they don't know they sat in the car for a long time and then decided to walk like the car was stuck so they decided to walk now. There had been a plow recently recently. So they're like a little okay so it's like a wall yeah. They don't think that they think maybe they saw this plough road like go off and they decided like hey. Hey that's road maybe it will lead somewhere Of some maybe. That's why they started walking to get out they don't anyways so some of the theories Now the article has to be was a two part article and I basically summarized part one part two was basically the author author of that article insinuating Gary Matthias. Yes the one has never been found. Yeah a kind of insinuated. Eighteen insinuate just lightly led to the conclusion that maybe he had something to do with it whether weather was ill intentions or what But Matthias was a diagnosed purely schizophrenic. He was set apart from the other guard by grace. said he had had run-ins with the law. He spent most of his Childhood in that Napa Sane Insane insane asylum Now it's called Napa State Hospital but it's not one right on the Have you ever been to NAPA If that one right there on I biggest one twelve game for that big. I could see why people are kind of OK. Okay he escaped. Oh okay place. And he hits back to Marysville still wearing his you know for his medical close people gave him a ride. People were like. Here's a guy wearing hospital close. Yeah outside of the state. Yeah yeah facilities. Let's pick. Let's pick him up. Yeah he joined the army. How come people were just in the seventies hitchhiking and they're just like hitchhiking? Lets everybody ready. Do It pick up anybody. I'm twelve. I'm going to Hitchhike. I don't understand the seventies were crazy. He joined the army and then he went awol from the army and when he was captured and he was waiting to be transferred. He stripped down in his cell and waited for the police committee. Get Him and when he did he jumped out completely naked and punch one of them in the face. Okay so he there's a pattern of running away away in doing not the best things. He attacked his cousin's wife and tried to sexually assault her because he wanted to kiss. His cousin walked in on him on top of her he moved to Oregon at one point and ceased contact with his parents and then should have on our doorstep a year later a shambles claiming that he walked all the way from Oregon to Marysville Oh my God but he could hitch from Napa. Okay he walked were but it tight from so so he does have a history of violent behavior and violent behavior running away yes bad choices. Yes so so. He went on and off his medications so he his family said that if he felt like he was doing good. He'll go off his medication and then he was not about medication. More unexcused he would spiral and then he would eventually get in trouble. Start acting out having bits of who saination in psychosis and then he would be back on that occasion and he do good and then he would get off and so that one mm fury that he just was like about apple and took advantage of these guys and brought them up there for some reason to take advantage of them and then disappeared. Yeah but the Shera. Actually Sheriff Beecham disagrees with that theory. He said. Trust him. Mathias would papa. He's we would have found by now. He's diagnosed as schizophrenic. He needs his medication and he would eventually show up in the system. Someone exactly even. If he didn't go home he would have been arrested for something and he would have been found. Yes so another other theory is that but thias was behind them going there but it was not ill. Intent key was having an episode. And he he was. He led them up to that mountain for whatever reason because of hallucinations and then they were up there. They were stock and tried to survive an image. It just went wrong. Yeah they were killed from exposure because they just lack the basic skills I mean that makes sense if he was having an episode and he was persuading them to all go and they were maybe they were just like okay. You know. We don't WanNA fight with you. Okay yeah I mean they're all good natured easygoing guys and they don't want to have conflict with this guy that's kind of more intense probably scarier because he has a history of violence right right so they're probably a little bit intimidated by him right and I could see that lake ten and he was kind of in the group but Reading the second part of the article all of their their parents were very concerned that he was part of the group because he seemed to be a little bit more dangerous. Yeah a little bit more violent at a little bit more bad news. What do you think happened izing? If I had to pick a fury that would be my theory is maybe he was having an episode and he for whatever. The reason is having hallucinations that led them up to that mountain. And then unfortunately they just succumb to the elements. There is another theory that the man with the heart attack had something thing to do with their disappearance But it just never been proven that he really did have a heart attack right so yeah. I mean that's weird strange. I I guess we'll coincidence. Yeah there at the same time in the middle of the night scouting out. A camps scouting campsite is code for like Meth and a blowjob or something. I think he was like a meeting. Somebody up there to do drugs and get laid out a heart attack. I just because you can't scout a campground at night. I mean maybe the details. It's so long ago the details and I did go back to the original articles So maybe he went up there. Apparently six o'clock and then had a heart attack at nine o'clock and then we still up there at twelve o'clock now that's true. I guess I shouldn't assume he's a horrible person so I'll give him the benefit. I doubt that he was just really bad scouting campgrounds. I think if they were to look far enough enough Gary Matthias maybe got pretty far. He got Ya farther than any of he just finally succumbed to the elements. So he's out there in the plumas national forest somewhere. I just. It's so easy for a body to not ever be found. Yeah and it was deep in the forest and it's very remote area. Yeah and if they got nineteen miles. That's far in the snow right. You think how far he they made it to the trailer and he's GonNa get health. He switched his shoes. And what if the wrong direction and just like maybe. He watched his friend. I was like I'm fucking out of here. Or maybe they ate their last can of peaches. Yeah and they didn't know to look for other food. They didn't know the other food was there. The Sheriff at one point said he was up there searching before they found the body and he got so turned around and lost the only way he got out of there was his compass. I believe it so people take for granted how easy it is to get lost when you're surrounded by I treat at all look the same thing I've gotten lost when I first moved to the bay area when I I think I was like eighteen. I got lost driving around city streets. I caught lost driving from southern California to Northern California in Sacramento on a business loop and was like fucked for an hour and a half. Exactly yeah if I were in the forest I would for sure get lost like I would never go. I would never go hiking. I would never go to the woods by myself because I have a terrible sense of direction and I would for sure get lost and once you start panicking you get dehydrated hydrated. You don't have food you're going to be going fucking crazy scared. It's that's it is terrible how you're walking with your friends and two of them. Don't make it all the way you just watch them off the side of the road. No fuck that that's terrible that's terrifying and it's it's it's crazy to me. How fast it can happen to like the stories that I mentioned like you? Don't see your child for ten minutes and then he's just gone. How far could a child get ten minutes? Not Far enough to be out of earshot. Exact plea I mean. Maybe it happens like that like I said on fell down a ravine breath and that yeah and then they don't hear your story. Yeah you look at wilderness from drone footage. Okay you'RE GONNA go out you WANNA see nature you watch i. I mean these guys could have just literally wanted to walk around in the snow because we don't have to know where they live. Yeah who knows and then they just accidentally got lost. Maybe maybe maybe there were like. Let's build a frigging snowman and it which was supposed to be a fun day and it just all went to shit us. I don't know maybe yeah we don't nobody and I think that it to me is the most disturbing part of it is. Why did they go there? I don't know I don't know why they would go. And that is the mysterious and sad story of the Yuba county five and the families. I just WANNA say are want. What's the story out there actually? Four out of the five families all the families except for Gary Matthias. His family wanted an episode of unsolved mysteries about this. Wow but Gary Matthias family declined so they didn't do this story maybe they were afraid that they were going to pay him in a bad light since he hasn't been found. Yeah and and a lot of people on reddit thought that yeah. It's not that suspicious. Maybe they just didn't want him to look bad. Yeah because they he was since he had since his body wasn't found it. I mean yeah dot article kind of how to spend towards him. Yeah yeah he really does spend it towards him. Being that is such a crazy story and I really want to know what happened. I WANNA know why I want to know what happened to film to well. We know what happened. Oh Oh yes. She left with her boyfriend and she's smoking. Virginia Slims Right. Now he's living the good life and ask Appalachians Appalachian. Hurry Harry and the Hendersons Harry with both of these stories. We may never have answers but further family's sake I hope that someday we will. I know you know I was talking to my mom about. Were doing disappearance episode. And she's like no disappearances this is I think as a parent are worse than knowing what happened. She's like it. You just live with the not knowing so hard it really news and the sad. It's very sad it is sad so since it's so sad one in the summer night now I just want to keep it down. I want everyone to be really really sad and depressed and just leave it sweat and teachers holes in it. I WANNA raise it. Raise it raise raise the roof. Raise the bar bar you have one and the always WANNA raise. The roof is revealed. Okay so I recently. We have with our second episode. I had just gone back on a trip to San Diego. And when you couldn't say San Diego you literally could only say so. Bears everyone from San Diego stop listening and we'll never listen to what do food. So yeah I we went to this kind of amazing rooftop bar it's called L. Pres- ooh and a rooftop chop. Yeah it was cool. It's not right on the beach. It's just two blocks up when lockup you once you're in the group tough you could see the beach so pretty on and at this rooftop bar they had like a lounge areas like with big fluffy pillows. You could like lay down on my God. That's so cool. It was so cool. They have good dreams. It was like not super crowded outed. That's surprising say anything about other than the downstairs. Bartender was really cool but like the upstairs bartenders. Just like Kinda I left alone They had really giant nachos really big comfy pillows and you can sit in the sun and Chill L. and the perfect day it was cool. Yeah that's awesome. What's it like? That was an old Perez Alvarez and that was not in San Diego it was in Pacific Beach. Ok Okay pb as locals call it now. I'm like OK. P B and San Diego. Yes exactly I am an expert great and then I also just want to raise the bar on just television in general because I recently got television on Sunday Wifi. TV She left the nudist colony. Because she couldn't handle not watching. Netflix spacing is off to the board. Oh you change the rules. And they voted voted to get TV services. Can you guys only watch. TV wherever also nude we yet it was just point. We only lean watch ace Ventura where he talks with his buddy. Oh okay well. At least it's something and Monday of this week. Weekdays at Manila meantime. I did not change our pajamas and they did not leave me. Did you watch the show that you wanted to watch. What did you I did? We didn't talk. I'm so happy we did it because we usually talk about stuff and they're like we should've waited to talk about that. What's it called? Who Am tell me who I am? CASSIE fucking joke. Never gets old for me. I get okay. Dad Jokes that Them documentary would be most depressing. Oh God terrible it was so sad. Okay so my friend tax meaning who was like have you seen. Tell me I am and they sent me to trailer for it and I was like dude I told you don't have fucking Internet okay. So why are you reminiscent my face. So so he's like it's terrible and it was a group text. It's terrible like you can't look away from it. Terrible okay so it was a group tax and someone else awesome group tax was like Whoa. Whoa you need terribly? It's terrible it's bad or than tax like that. Good documentary about a terrible subject and he. Ah Yes so so let me. Just tell you if you're in the mood for at least twelve hours to watch it. It's not that long. No bans depressed. Oh overture saying after. Yeah well when you first mentioned it to me I thought it was like a Docu series so I was like Oh crap. I don't know if I'm gonNA have time mm to walk like five episodes but it's just a it's a movie. It's a documentary movie. Yeah it's like an hour. Yeah no I did think about it for twelve hours for sure it. It was really sad. I don't WanNa spoil it because you know it. I don't WanNa see what happens but it is sad and I. I have a question Russian. If you had the power to lie about a bad thing happening and the person like what I do what would you do. Would you do with the other brother ahead. Yes Thousand Times I would too. I think he had the best intentions I do too. I think he was just trying to protect his brother. The only pink okay. Let's get into this. Let's let's take two minutes and talk about this because the only thing where if it was me and the other brother who lost his memory If I was in his position the only thing that would really piss me off is after he lost his memory and he came back to his life and was told lies about the people in his life. He had a very close relationship with someone in his life. Who He shouldn't have had and that to me was the more I think just speaks to who I am as a person because because I wouldn't want to have a relationship with that person not knowing everything about them like that person didn't wasn't like you're gonNA say like you're saying that knows okay like you're saying the brother who had a close relationship with a family member? That had did them wrong. DOC was unfair to him to have that relationship with that person at all because he didn't know who he was building a relationship I think. And that's what he was saying was that he wanted. He wished that he she had like he felt like his life was basically built on lies when that person died he that person he he loved that any more to the death of that person but he the only loved them because he didn't know what that person done to them. Yes because he didn't remember it so I am see. That's okay what I what I want to relied to. Maybe but I also part of me would be like. Hey Bro. Watch out for this person they. They're are not good for you or not. Just be like Oh yeah. They're great yes she go right. She's GonNa Four. He could've made up a mildly bad situation situation just so that the brother would have guard up or is that worse so I don't think there is any further abuse. I don't think he needed to have his his guard up as far as any further abuse. That would happen. No I'm saying like then he wouldn't have been so like quick to be so close to that person because he would have been like well based on what I you know. Maybe I shouldn't trust that person. Yeah I think he. That person didn't deserve to even look at him another second. You know I I mean I don't I don't know I don't know enough about the kind of abuse that these people had done to them but I just. I wish that they had just not been there anymore. I wish that the brothers had left that house. I don't know why didn't I don't know either. That's what I'm saying I don't I don't I don't know you have to see. I guess if the the abuse had stopped at that point and they didn't have anywhere else to go they stayed there but I just I personally wouldn't WanNa even look at that person ever again. But that's that's me coming from a place where oh I don't know what it's like to have gone through all that you know. Yeah it was. It's really sad. It's a really terrible. I think they wrote a book about it too. They they did write a book. Doc You can just watch the youtube. You Watch netflix documentary. Tell me who I am. It's a pretty sad story. I feel like we brought it back down. We're supposed to supposed to end on a high. Let's talk about a good high note. Do you have one. It's so hard to think of a high note. No I don't have one I okay. Okay well we can talk about another bar story to end it. Do you have another funny one you go. I don't have a funny one. I can't think of it. I'm not a show pony as you say in my goodness I can't think of one. Oh shoot okay I have one okay. It's about myself until you embarrassed myself. Okay do it. I you got a win into my work when I wasn't working And I was obliterated And it was a party party it party night where they're having like the bar was having a specific themed party was probably Dan night or something. Okay yeah it was because they had God Plywood we're real classy joint. They had pilot over the pool table and they did that. Oh Yeah Yeah yeah okay. Played Blitzer did I made a fool myself. I was wearing a dress. I rolled all over the plywood. Showed our buddy and unbear- my nether region ouch in underwear softcore pairs like Gary Man. Then I broke a rack of glasses. Walk barefooted over the broken. No Oh yeah and then try to. It's the Bar A good intending barbeque tried to stop me for my own safety. I punched him in the nets. Hope nope and Wolf on that. I don't care you bird dead after you leave this story. You walk out out of the door across an empty parking lot. And then I fell in a pothole I tripped in a pothole fell to the ground and thankfully some poor person. Jason took pity on me and help me get home but I from that day on that. Barbeque Jim. Oh Yeah Ju Yeah I was trying to figure out who it was. He's ever called me fister. He's what's up fister so the lesson is you should always help somebody but every once in a while you will get punched in the nuts and please put some pants on. God's sake if you're drinking dolor dry and if you're drinking where patents or or two pairs of underwear or two very glendower may be Canadian. Gerry had it right when worshippers. He's like you never know what's GonNa Happen I am I have one two three. Maybe get fucking wild and have four coors lights and I'm going to need that second. Pair of underwear is a barrier against Barschak. So when she it's GonNa get crazy always two of underwear so that is my big thing one. Just one of my manny embarrassing stories And I loved it. I eat up their different. That was a long time ago. Yes so if you're not crazy when you're twenty then you're crazy easy when you're old and that's not as fun. You gotta be crazy when you're twenty. Yeah it's much cuter to be a drunken mess when you're in your twenties then when like you're a you're fifty. Yeah so the drunken fifty year old messes like we love you. Do It do it you do you do you anyways. Choose to that cheers to that. And don't forget hydrate meditate master bullying.

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