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Merrick Garland's MEMOGATE Explodes

The Charlie Kirk Show

01:57 min | 2 weeks ago

Merrick Garland's MEMOGATE Explodes

"The national school board association letter otherwise known as the letter that broke the entire educational world led to the memo. The memo from Merrick Garland that inexplicably called for the defense apparatus to use potentially the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security to go after moms and dads. This is a legitimate scandal that is heating up, which we will now call memo gate. Cut 58 Merrick Garland in front of Congress, said that he could not imagine any circumstance that parents complaining about their school boards would be labeled as domestic terrorism, cut 58. Like you, I can't imagine any circumstance in which the Patriot Act would be used in the circumstances of parents complaining about their children, nor can I imagine a circumstance where they would be labeled as domestic terrorism. New whistleblower last night shows that Merrick Garland lied under oath in front of Congress as all of these deep state unelected operatives do, no one voted for Merrick Garland, Merrick Garland is an unelected Plato guardian type that wants to usher in a globalist internationalist borderless society, while he does not actually have to live under those same rules and measures. Whistleblower breaking last night. The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, created a threat tag to track allegedly menacing statements against school boards and their members after attorney general Merrick Garland directed the bureau to take the lead on hyperlocal disputes. A whistleblower has revealed. The email dated October 20th about a month ago, released Tuesday by House judiciary Republicans, who said this was proof that the federal counter terrorism was being deployed against parents at school board meetings.

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Hillsdale College President Dr. Larry Arnn Describes a Parent's Role in a Child's Education

The Charlie Kirk Show

02:14 min | Last month

Hillsdale College President Dr. Larry Arnn Describes a Parent's Role in a Child's Education

"So some parents are saying that they are dissatisfied. They are angry at what's happening at the local school district. For good reason. In response, we see the American federation of teachers and Randy white gardens say that parents have no role in their kids education. In the ideal doctor Arne, what is the parent's role in education? Well, they're partners in it. And the ideal situation, I mean, first of all, parents are in the same position as teachers, by the way. You know, I'm I have four children and now I have grandchild that I have another one on the way. The grand grandchild is the most important being on earth. And my wife and I are going to help her parents raise her. But that doesn't mean we're going to make anything out of her. We're going to help her be what by nature she is born to be. And she is going to do it. And, you know, she's 11 months old. You can already see her working on that. So parents are like teachers. Now, what should happen is the parents join with the teachers. They should be involved. And, you know, at any partnership, you know, the word college, by the way, means partnership. And parents are in the partnership. And you have to agree the terms of the partnership. But if you do, then you can cooperate. You're all trying to get the same thing done. I noticed about homeschools, by the way that very encouraging thing. Homeschooling itself is very good and it's growing very fast now because this point you make that people are sick of the schools. A great exciting thing is co ops. Parents get together and pool their resources and their children, and they teach them. Take turns, hire somebody sometimes, right? In other words, they're building a school. And a school is a natural thing. You schools are as old as Plato's academy or

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Mainstream Conservative Media Is Barely Catching up to Mark Levin

Mark Levin

01:41 min | Last month

Mainstream Conservative Media Is Barely Catching up to Mark Levin

"Those of you who've been with this program for a relatively long period of time I bet your smiling every now and then when you listen to radio or you watch TV because things we've discussed over the last nearly 20 years and things I've written about from on book to the next Are now being mainstreamed Mainstreamed Not with the big propaganda media But in conservative media Many years ago right after liberty and tyranny I wrote a book called America topia It was a tough book But I talked about utopianism and the use of utopianism It's impossibility but its use As an argument As a fraudulent policy To attack human and institutional imperfections in a free society And I walk through the history of utopianism Whether was Plato's republic And on down the line And I called the book a mere topia So you hear people today talking about utopians Dystopias There was all presented in that book Why oh boy how many years ago was that It's got to be ten or 11 years ago

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What Can We Learn From Machiavelli?

The Charlie Kirk Show

02:07 min | 2 months ago

What Can We Learn From Machiavelli?

"Can you talk about how machiavelli in some way liberated this conversation. Not in a good way of the will of kind of how the political will should triumph good. Yeah that's excellent. Actually you're referring to chapter fifteen in prince and it's one of those chapters that are so crucial that anytime i ever teach machiavelli. Distracter has to get almost a full day of line by long line. Reading will in chapter fifteen of the prince machiavelli says he's going to depart from all classical writers. So forget the debate. Whether or not machiavellian was Doing something new was just sort of an ancient and modern clothing. He tells us that he's doing something new. What is it that he's doing new. Just so happens. Charlie that i have that chapter in mind. Let me just read it to you. He says because. I know that many have written about this politics friendship etc. I fear that in writing of it again. I may be helped presumptuous. Especially since in disputing this matter i depart from the orders of others so he tells us he is not gonna follow anything that had been written about before regarding moral philosophy and politics and then he says the following since my intent is to write something useful it suggesting that classical fodders not useful to whoever understands it appeared to me more fitting to go directly to the effectual truth of the thing than to any imagination of it so he makes a distinction between philosophy. That is simply imaginary and philosophy. That is actually factually true. Which is a unique phrase. No one's ever used that. Before now that in a moment but what is he talking about. He says that many have imagined republics he's referring to plato and principalities and kingdoms say saint augustine kingdom of god to have never been seen are known to exist in truth why because they are so far from how one lives to how one should live that he who lets go of what is done for what should be done learns his room and rather than his preservation so now he tells you what philosophy really should be. The factual truth is that which preserves your life and preserves your republic and imaginary truth moral or political. Is that which leads to your ruin.

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"plato " Discussed on Lore

Lore

02:01 min | 3 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Lore

"Plato's complete works seemed to have done the unthinkable by surviving all the way to the present which is why it strange that after all this time it was only about ten years ago that something new was discovered within them. Looking over the oldest manuscripts we have medieval documents carefully copied out by scribes working with ink and belem researchers have found a pattern a code hidden in the text to understand it. You need to know that. Ancient greek music used a scale of twelve notes as opposed to our modern scale of eight and what researchers have discovered is. That plato's text is practically littered with patterns of twelve. In fact perhaps to drive the point home. Every twelfth line contains a reference to music. It seems that plato had something to hide. Why well it comes down to religion you see in his day. The greek pantheon ruled life. God's like zeus were worshipped by all in central to how they viewed the world around them but a mathematician named pythagoras had threatened all of that because he believed that true building blocks of the universe were numbers and music for a very long time. Students of pythagorean thought were persecuted sometimes being forced into exile and plato wanted to declare his allegiance to this new philosophy without shouting out loud in the forum so he hid it from the religious authorities who felt threatened. It seems that music has always been a controversial topic from the halls of athens to the rock and roll hall of fame. Music has been seen by some as an art and by others as a threat but few arguments have lasted as long as one in particular acclaim that has been used for centuries to strike fear in the hearts of good people to hold back progress in a field that has given us so much beauty. Some music it seems belongs to the devil.

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A Musical Message Discovered in Plato's Works

Lore

02:01 min | 3 months ago

A Musical Message Discovered in Plato's Works

"Plato's complete works seemed to have done the unthinkable by surviving all the way to the present which is why it strange that after all this time it was only about ten years ago that something new was discovered within them. Looking over the oldest manuscripts we have medieval documents carefully copied out by scribes working with ink and belem researchers have found a pattern a code hidden in the text to understand it. You need to know that. Ancient greek music used a scale of twelve notes as opposed to our modern scale of eight and what researchers have discovered is. That plato's text is practically littered with patterns of twelve. In fact perhaps to drive the point home. Every twelfth line contains a reference to music. It seems that plato had something to hide. Why well it comes down to religion you see in his day. The greek pantheon ruled life. God's like zeus were worshipped by all in central to how they viewed the world around them but a mathematician named pythagoras had threatened all of that because he believed that true building blocks of the universe were numbers and music for a very long time. Students of pythagorean thought were persecuted sometimes being forced into exile and plato wanted to declare his allegiance to this new philosophy without shouting out loud in the forum so he hid it from the religious authorities who felt threatened. It seems that music has always been a controversial topic from the halls of athens to the rock and roll hall of fame. Music has been seen by some as an art and by others as a threat but few arguments have lasted as long as one in particular acclaim that has been used for centuries to strike fear in the hearts of good people to hold back progress in a field that has given us so much beauty. Some music it seems belongs to the devil.

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

05:31 min | 4 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"Leave a master who is better than himself. And i rather imagine that sob is referring to you. He thinks that you are too ready to leave us. And to ready to leave the gods whom you acknowledge to be our good masters yes replied socrates. There is reason in what you say. And so you think that i ought to answer your indictment as if i were in a court. We should like you to do so said simas then i must try to make them more successful defence before you that i did when before the judges for i am quite ready to admit stimulus. Happy's that i ought to be grieved at death. If i were not persuaded in the first place that i am going to other gods who are wise at good of which i certain as i can be many such matters and second me though i am not so sure of this. Last two men departed better than those whom i leave behind and therefore i do not grieve as i might have done for. I have good hope that there is yet something remaining for the dead and has been set abode some far better thing for the good than for the evil. But do you mean to take away. Our thoughts with your socrates said. Semi's will you're not impart them to us for. They are a benefit in which we too are entitled to share moreover. If you succeed in convincing us that will be an answer to the charge against yourself. I will do my best replied socrates but you must first let me hear what kreider wants. He has long been wishing to say something to me. Only this socrates replied crato thing attendant who is to give you the poison has been telling me and he wants me to tell you that you are not to talk much talking. He says increases heat and this is apt to interfere.

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

05:55 min | 4 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"I had imagined that this was only intended to exhort an encouragement in the study of philosophy which has been the pursuit of my life and is the noblest and best music. The dream was bidding me. Do what. I was already doing in the same way that the competitor in a race is bitten by the spectators to run when he is already running. Bonsai was not certain of this while the dream might have met music in the popular sense of the word. I had being under the sentence of death and the festival. Giving me are experts. I thought it would be safer. For me. To satisfy the scruple and in obedience to the dream to compose a few verses before i departed and i i made a him in honor of the god of the festival and then considering that a poets if he has really to be a poet should not only put together words but should invent stories and that i have no invention. I took some fables of aesop which i had ready at hand which i knew they were the first. I came upon and turned them into verse. Tell this to evenness shabbes and bid near be of good. Cheer say that. I would have him come after me. If he be a wise man and not terry and that today i am likely to be going while the athenians say that i'm st- simeon said..

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

04:36 min | 4 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"They moved who were present of native athenians there were besides upon dora's crato buddha's and his father crato have much unease a pitcher knees esca knees antigone likewise tasha's of the demi of janica maximus and some others plato. If i'm not mistaken was ill whether any stranger yes there were us the th even and seabees and fade on dis. You could enter a person who came from megara and was the steepest there and kyw umbrellas. No they were said to be any anyone else. I think that these were nearly all well. And what did you talk about. I will begin at the beginning and endeavour to repeat the entire conversation on the previous days. We had been in the habit of assembling early in the morning at the court in which the trial took place on which is not far from the prison. There we used to wait talking with one another until the opening of the doors were. They were not open very early. Then we went in and generally past the day with socrates are the last morning. We assembled ceuta than usual having heard on the day before when we quit the prison in the evening that the sacred ship had come from dealers and so we arranged to meet very early at the accustomed place on our arrival. The jailer who answered the door instead of a meeting us came out and told us to stay until he called us for the eleven he said are now with socrates they are off his chains and giving orders that he is to die today he soon returned and said that we might come in on entering. We found socrates just released from chains and zahn deepa who immuno sitting by him and holding his child in her arms when she saw us she uttered a cry and said as women will oh socrates. This is the last time that either you will converse with your friends or they with you..

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

04:17 min | 4 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"Vox dot org fito by plato translated by benjamin giant persons of the dialogue fito who is the narrator of the dialogue to execrated hayes of flies. Socrates apollo. dora's siamese selby's crato and an attendant of the prison seen the prison of socrates place of the narration flyers at your karate's where you yourself feta in the prison with socrates on the day when he drank the poison. Gas at your gratis. I was. I should so like to hear about his death. What did he say in his last hours. We were informed that he died by taking poison. But no one knew anything more for no philosophy. Never goes to athens now and it is a long time since any stranger from athens as found his way. Either so the we had no clear account. Did you not hear of the proceedings at the trial. Yes someone told us about the trial and we could not understand why having been condemned he should have been put to death not at the time but long afterwards. What was the reason of this. An accident educ. Rotties the stern of the ship which the athenian center dealers happen to have been crowned on the day before he was tried. What is this ship. It is the ship in which according to athenian tradition theseus went to crete when he took with him the fourteen youths and was the savior of them and of himself and they were said to have vowed to apollo at the time that if they were saved they would send a yearly mission to loss. Now this customer still continues and the whole period of the voyage to and from delos beginning when the priest of apollo crowns..

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

03:27 min | 6 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"And you acquiesced in our government of you and here in this city you begat children which is a proof of your satisfaction moreover you might in the course of the trial. If you had liked have fixed the penalty at banishment. The state which refuses to let you go now would have let you go then but you pretend that you preferred death to exile and that you were not unwilling to die and now you have forgotten these fines and pay no respect to us the laws of whom you are. The destroyer are doing. What only a miserable slave would do rounding away and turning your back upon the compacts and agreements which you made as a citizen and first of all answer this very question. Are you right in saying that you agree to be governed according to us indeed and not in word only is that true or not. How shall we answer crato. Must we not. we cannot help it. Socrates then will they not say you. Socrates are breaking the covenant agreements. Which you may with us at your leisure not in any hayes or under any compulsion or deception but after you have had seventy years to think of them during which time you are at liberty to leave this city if we were not to your or if our covenants appeared to you to be unfair you had your choice at might have gone either to like david nor crete. Both which states are often praised by for that good government or to some other hellenic or foreign state whereas you above all other athenians seems to be so fond of the state or in other words of us our laws and who would care about a state which has no laws that you never stood out of the hold. The blind the maimed. We're not more stationary in her than you were. And now oh you run away. Forsake your agreements not so socrates. Take our advice. Do not make yourself ridiculous by escaping out of the city for just consider if you transgress and in this sort of way what goodwill you do either to yourself to your friend not your friends will be driven into exile and deprived of citizenship. Or will lose their property his tolerably certain. And you yourself. If you fly to one of the neighboring cities is for example thebes. Magaya both of which are well governed will come to them as an enemy socrates and the government will be against you at all patriotic citizens will cast an evil eye upon you as a subverter of the laws and you will confirm in the minds of the judges the justice of their own condemnation of you for he who is a corrupter. The laws is more than likely to be a corrupt the young and foolish portion of mankind. Will you then flee from well ordered series and virtuous man and is existence worth having on these terms.

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

03:34 min | 6 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"Aren't we to follow the opinion of the many into fair them or they opinion of the one man who has understanding but we not fear and reverence him more than all the rest of the world and if we desert him shall we not destroy injure that principle in us which may be assumed to be improved by justice and deteriorated by injustice. There is such a principle. Certainly there is socrates. Take a parallel instance. If acting under the advice of those who have no understanding we destroy that which is improved by health funders deteriorated by disease. Would life be worth having. And that. which has been destroyed is the body we could. We love having an evil and corrupted. Buddy certainly not and will life before having if that higher part of man be destroyed which is improved by justice and depraved by injustice. Do we suppose that principle whatever it may be in man which has to do with justice and injustice to be inferior to the body. Certainly not more honorable than the buddy far more than my friend. We must not regard what the many say us but what he the one man who has understanding of just an unjust will say and what the truth was a and therefore you begin in era when you advise that. We should regard the opinion of the many about just an unjust good and evil honorable and dishonorable. Someone say but the many can kill us. We ask soccer dis. That will clearly be the answer. I hadn't been as true. But still i find with surprise that the old argument is unshaken as ever and i should like to know whether i may say the same of another proposition that not life but a good life is to be chiefly valued. Yes that also remains. Unshaken had a good life equivalent to adjust an honorable one that holds also. We are it does from these premises. I proceed to argue the question. Whether i ought or ought not to try and escape without the consent of the athenians. And if i am clearly a right to nash scaping than i will make the attempt but if not i will abstain. We other considerations which you mention of money and loss of character are the duty of educating wants children. I fear only the doctrines of the multitude. Who would be as ready to restore people to life if they were able as they are put them to death and with as little reason but now since the argument has thus far prevailed they all need question which remains to be considered is whether we shall do rightly is escaping his suffering others to aid in our escape and paying them in monday infants or whether in reality we shall not to right and if the latter than death or any other calamity which may ensue on my remaining here must not be allowed to enter into the calculation. I think that you are right. Socrates how then shall.

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"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

Harvard Classics

03:48 min | 6 months ago

"plato " Discussed on Harvard Classics

"Newfound crato by plato person in the dialogue socrates kreider seeing the prison of socrates. Why have you come at this hour. Crato it must be quite early. Yes sorry what is the exact time but dawn is breaking high wondered at the keeper of the prison. Let you win those me. Because i often come. Socrates moreover i have done him a kindness and are you own just arrived. No i came some time ago. Who did you sit and say nothing. Instead of at once awakening me. I should have liked myself. Socrates to be in such great trouble and unrest as you are indeed. I should not have been watching with amazement. Your peaceful slumbers. And for that reason. I did not awake you because i wish to minimize the pain. I have always thought to be of a happy disposition but never did see anything like the easy tranquil manner in which you bad this calamity. whi- crato when a man is reach my age. He ought not to bury pining at the approach of death and yet other old men find themselves in similar misfortunes an age does not prevent them from replicating matt is true. But you have not told me why you come at this early hour high. Come to bring you a message which is sad and painful. Not as i believe to yourself by to all of us. Who are your friends and satis all to me. What has the ship come from dealers on the arrival of which i am to die. No ship has not actually arrived but she will probably be here today as persons who have come from serum tell me that they have left her there and therefore tomorrow socrates will be the last day of your life very well crato if such is the will of god i am willing. My belief is that there will be a delay of a day. Why do you think so. I will tell you i am to die on the day after the arrival of the ship. That is what the authorities say but i do not think that the ship will be here until tomorrow this i and far from a vision which i had last night or rather only just now you fortunately allowed me to sleep. And what was the nature of the vision there appeared to me the likeness of a woman fair and come lay clothes in bright raymond. Who called to me and said oh socrates the third day hence to for thea shoutout go. What a singular dreams critise can be no doubt about two meeting grotto. I think the meaning is only too clear. But oh my dear socrates. Let me intrigued to more to take my advice and escape for if you die. I shall not only lose a friend who can never be replaced but there is another evil people who do not know you and me will believe i might have saved you if i have been willing to give money but that i did not care. Can there be a worst disgrace than this that. I should be thought to value money more than.

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Potato Cakes (MM #3719)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 6 months ago

Potato Cakes (MM #3719)

"The Maison with Kevin Nation. I know I shouldn't be upset. I know what the first world problem, but I saw the news the other day that I've been dreading and actually do me and reading off. This is announced, they're getting rid of their famed. Potato cakes. They added the crinkle fries, a while back, and I had a feeling potato cakes would be going soon. I don't know why I'm so enamored with them. I can actually remember the first time I ever had, Arby's Plato kicks out. Is that on vacation in Anaheim? California in 1974. That was the first time I'd ever encountered an Arby's and it was love at first bite, my mom went to work at an Arby's when we lived in Norfolk back in the late, seventies into the early eighties. And so, I'd always be able to go over and see Mom and grab. Either a beef and cheddar or regular roast beef, an order of potato cakes, and a jamocha shake. And that, pretty much tells you why. I'm as big as I am today, but I've loved the potato cakes and I think every meal I ever had an Arby's has always included, potato cakes. And I know there's nothing I can do at least, I'm not the only one upset and I know it's silly to be upset but well they kind of teased that they may be coming back on a limited basis down the road. That's still not good enough job.

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Potato Cakes (MM #3719)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 6 months ago

Potato Cakes (MM #3719)

"The Maison with Kevin Nation. I know I shouldn't be upset. I know what the first world problem, but I saw the news the other day that I've been dreading and actually do me and reading off. This is announced, they're getting rid of their famed. Potato cakes. They added the crinkle fries, a while back, and I had a feeling potato cakes would be going soon. I don't know why I'm so enamored with them. I can actually remember the first time I ever had, Arby's Plato kicks out. Is that on vacation in Anaheim? California in 1974. That was the first time I'd ever encountered an Arby's and it was love at first bite, my mom went to work at an Arby's when we lived in Norfolk back in the late, seventies into the early eighties. And so, I'd always be able to go over and see Mom and grab. Either a beef and cheddar or regular roast beef, an order of potato cakes, and a jamocha shake. And that, pretty much tells you why. I'm as big as I am today, but I've loved the potato cakes and I think every meal I ever had an Arby's has always included, potato cakes. And I know there's nothing I can do at least, I'm not the only one upset and I know it's silly to be upset but well they kind of teased that they may be coming back on a limited basis down the road. That's still not good enough job.

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The Six Day War: The Waiting

The Jewish Story

02:20 min | 8 months ago

The Six Day War: The Waiting

"This episode. we're going to walk right up to the brink of war. And when i think about such terrifying in awesome event i think a lot about the courage bound up with the needs of the hour is fascinating idea to me. I mean where does it come from this capacity within the human spirit to overcome the rational mind tells. You is a terrible chance of survival. Not only that. But i think a lot about the courage embedded in our history about wien durrance which it takes to consistently over come. The obstacles life puts on our way in pursuit of the things which we believe our most sacred and when i started to do a little bit of research about what courage actually is. I found that in western culture. The idea reaches its first crystallization in plato's early writings and they're he calls it a sort of endurance of the soul. And you know despite the fact that we in the greeks parted ways long ago. If anybody makes the rich it's certainly plato. And that's a very jewish notion that courage is an endurance of the soul that pure essence the embodiment of the divine element within human existence. Is what gives us the ability to overcome all the challenges physical emotional mental and even spiritual know of. It's not a surprise that the origin of the word in latin is from coal. Right meeting heart. That somehow courage means that you lead from the heart that the head we'll get itself wrapped up in fear sometimes in fights paralyzed in the face of events in its ability to make a decision. But you can rely on the heart to know and push forward another piece of what courage is or that i found in my research at least actually comes from a completely different culture from the dow de ching out zoo and he says from caring comes courage. Where do we get courage from. When we feel that that which matters to us most is under threat. Think of the mother bear defending the cubs. Think of the amazing things that were all capable in. The name of love is a very important idea because it tells us that the powers of the human spirit don't always find their most powerful focus within the mind sometimes like i said the heart has to lead the

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Prosecutor Placed on Leave After Suggesting Adam Toledo Was Armed When Shot

NewsNation

00:44 sec | 8 months ago

Prosecutor Placed on Leave After Suggesting Adam Toledo Was Armed When Shot

"A veteran prosecutor Even accurate information to a judge in the case related to the Toledo shooting prior to the release of the body Cam video change, Murphy said in court that Plato had a gun in his hand. The moment he was shot, state's attorney's office issued a correction. Five days later. Video shows Toledo drop the gun less than a second before the officers fired. Former Cook County prosecutor Matt For Corey says it's common to be given limited information before bond court hearing. It looks bad because of the Justice Malek case and some other things that have gone on and it's it almost looks like this is big conspiracy. I don't think it's that Attorney is on paid administrative lead. While the state's attorney's office conducts the internal investigation. Authorities say they've apprehended a person in

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St Augustine: Teacher and Author

5 Minutes in Church History

03:19 min | 10 months ago

St Augustine: Teacher and Author

"After agustin's conversion he resigned his post as teacher of rhetoric in milan and he left for several months to villa in the area of lake como right at the foot of the alps. You should look it up. It's a beautiful place and here augusta his first books as a christian he was writing books since three eighty all of those early books is pre conversion books are lost to us but now and three eighty six. He began a whole new writing career. I a quick word on his writing he would dictate to notetaker who used a system of note taking called tirrenia nets that this was named for tullus. Tirico he was the scribe for cicero. And these ian or shorthand notes would then be written out into longhand and they would be edited and they would become a book. There were not commercial publishers in those days but there were networks of scribes networks of scholars and friends. And you would make a few copies of a book and you would distribute it to these associates to these friends and they would make more copies and then from those copies would come even more copies and it was just a case of supply and demand and there was a great demand for books from augusta and there was a steady supply. But were these first books that augustine wrote as a christian. What were they all about. We called them dialogues. They were recorded conversations that he was having with himself there at this beautiful place in lake como. He would personify this dialogue with reason. And so it was augusta. And reason having these dialogues of course. He was drawing on this genre of the dialogue from that. Great greek philosopher. Plato and these dialogues covered such topics as truth and the immortality of the soul and unhappiness in in them we see the themes that will come to dominate agustin's teaching. He was after all a teacher and so he taught first of all the nobility the value for the pursuit of truth. Let's not be satisfied with lies and falsehood in mere shadows but let's pursue and pursue it relentlessly the truth. Secondly he helped us understand the relationship between faith and reason too often reason is jettisoned. Combatant of faith will not so argued augustine. God created us with a mind. He created this world as a rational world. Any wants us. God wants us to use a reason to know him. And so faith and reason and guston had a wonderful way of talking about the relationship of those two and then finally augusta taught us that all everything begins and ends in god this world our very lives all of our efforts human history truth wisdom happiness. All of this is found in god. He is the beginning. He arches over every moment and aspect and god is the end. He is the and the

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The Birthplace of Saint Augustine

5 Minutes in Church History

03:52 min | 11 months ago

The Birthplace of Saint Augustine

"World of augustine encircled the mediterranean sea spain and portugal. To the west france switzerland and the british isles to the north greece turkey israel to the north and to the east. Of course italy extending right into the sea the boot poised to kick a soccer ball also known as sicily and stretching all along the south egypt in the coast of africa. Agusan is from africa. Now that's the modern designation as are all of those country names. I just listed for you and the three hundred and four hundred. This was all rome. All of these peoples were roman or were to be considered roman and all of these places were part of the far flung roman empire augusta was born specifically in what was called new media the roman province of namibia. It is modern day algeria. His hometown was aghast. It was originally a village of nomadic. Berbers and back in the two hundred and one hundred species does the punic. Wars rome took control of this vast area as guston was born. Rome reached its zenith as augusta and lived roman declined and as guston died. Rome fell well. The gas was two thousand feet above sea level. It was surrounded by mountains that were another thousand feet or so and it was a very fertile plain. In fact the most fertile land in north africa it was a great place to settle and farm. Corn olives were mostly harvested and had a great economy one. A story noted how it became a retirement destination spot for roman soldiers. Did you ever wonder where the lions and bears and tigers in the roman amphitheatres came from. Will they were caught in the mountains and in the plains around agustin's hometown of the gas one hundred and seventy miles away to the east was the massive city of carthage. It was bustling with people and trade. It was second city only to rome and sixty miles or so to the northwest hippo regis. That city would come to play a significant role in the life of augustine. Near the end. Agustin's father was patricia. S a roman pagan. His mother was monica and devout and sometimes mystical christian much much more on her later as our book unfolds. Augustine had siblings. But we know very little about them he had at least one brother navigate. Send at least one sister and he likely had more brothers and sisters. But we just don't know that much about them at all. He was born on november thirteen. Three fifty four. This was a full generation of post. Constantine rome one. After constantine's conversion did you see the air quotes there. i put around network. that's important. This was the christian era at the end of the roman empire of course alongside of christianity. Plato's philosophy and the schools that followed him ruled the roost. That's important. It was a time of doctrinal advance. Augusta lived right in between the nineteen creed three twenty five and the cow sedonia creed of 451 that's important. He also lived during the time of heresies. They were springing up all over the place. Will that too is important if you were to ask a young augusta playing in the streets of the gassed. What do you want to do when you grow up. He would answer with one word. I wanna be

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'We come from the stars': Indigenous astronomy, astronauts, and star stories

Unreserved

05:05 min | 11 months ago

'We come from the stars': Indigenous astronomy, astronauts, and star stories

"When you think about the night sky what constellations come to mind. Chances are they're rooted in western astronomy but indigenous. Astronomy and scientific knowledge have been here for millennia. It's just not taught in schools or considered important within universities. My next guest is working to change. That nielsen is mick ma. And he's a professor in the department of astronomy and astrophysics at the university of toronto. Helping welcome thank you for having me. So how would you describe the way. Astronomy is typically taught in university course university of toronto's famous having a an astronomy course fifteen hundred students in it in that course generally starts from the early greek and roman astronomy aristotle type of plato pythagoras and they will channel through european astronomy with newton and cabrera hey and yohannes kepler and galileo of course the modern enshrinement is just one linear path from the romans to essentially neil degrasse tyson and today scientists. It's very very centered in the european model. And how have you been incorporating indigenous knowledge in your courses. I've been trying to do that little bit here. And there are courses tend to be quite full of material so adding new materials always a challenge. But i always want to make sure students come in and the first thing they see is not there. Expect a constellation. I don't him see a bear with the tail lakers major. I want them to see the constellation view. I nor a constellation of the bear or a punish shining relation that please and to recognize that these constellations reflect landover on i for in toronto or in new magi or anywhere and what is indigenous astronomy. And how do you define it. How is it or how old. I define indigenous astronomy. As being the the knowledge of the peoples of the land so and since burnett Nation state of canada would find it as the astronomers of the people that were here before settlers in colonizers so strongly of the astronomy of first nations big cree on astronaut and so on across across rhode island and every nation has their own perspective of the night skydrone interpretation in knowledge of it and so these indigenous astronomers speak to connection to the land and and to the people and that knowledge has been here as long as the people have been here and so is there a star story that comes to mind for you that gives an understanding of indigenous astronomy. Great story was the story of noon on the seven bird hunters which is a story so close your eyes and you're looking morni- guy and you see what we call the less the big dipper. And if you're looking at the big dipper couple of hours before dawn in spring you're gonna see the big dipper pointing downwards so the four stars make up the bear kind of facing downwards detail is climbing higher in the sky the four stars of the big dipper in the bull our immune the bear and then pours. What would be the handle. The big dipper are at the bird hunters and you go on those three stars to another four to get the seven hunters and the story starts by while you have to get up early in the morning a couple of hours before dawn to this constellation when we observe it at that time in the morning and we observed every day we can see the constellation circle around the sky. The constellation circles around sky every night as well. So we see the two different timescales in play but if we start in the spring at that to ask for dumb the bowl. The big dipper the bears pointing downwards. And that's when the bears waking up from tiber nation and decides hungry needs to go gather food as the bear leaves. The cave i robin spies upon the bear grabs it's bone arrow and size to chase it from hunt and the story continues through the summer when muniz running across the land so the constellations kinda flat across the sky and the birger chasing it as we get towards fall newness getting tired and stands likes to fight back so the constellations on one side again. Some of the birds have fallen below the horizon and must track the hunt but immune you and stands back robin fires. It's era a striking the immune in the heart killing it. Blood gets everywhere. All of robinhood flies into the tree shakes off the blood separate one stain on his chest. The leaves are now allred as a result. Chickeny joins robin. And they begin a celebration to cook the cook. The bear and to celebrate the feast harvest as we approach winter the constellation as the bears on his back again and reflecting the spirit of the baron sky and waiting for spring to come as part of the next cycle. So we see lots of different kinds. We have knowledge of the year as a calendar have knowledge of ritual and ceremony and we have connection with nature. So it's not just a shawny story. It's it's part of. It's a story that people in story of how to be.

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What is The Allegory Of The Cave?

Talk, Tales and Trivia

09:46 min | 1 year ago

What is The Allegory Of The Cave?

"Is stephanie. And this is talk tales and trivia the show where i talk about society culture pop culture and i throw in a little bit of trivia too so that you can stump your family and friends. It is so much fun listen here. I am mad researcher. When it comes to all those topics i research and the trivia that i give you because i want you to be enlightened and have trivia so that you can stump your family and friends and look really really cool while doing it so that is my goal and i love doing it for you if you are a first time listener here at talk tales and trivia. Thank you so much for tuning in. And i welcome you and i hope that you enjoy this episode. Sit back relax. Listen and enjoy as i tell you the allegory of the cave but first let's discuss something. What is an allegory. Well i know that you know you're smart. You're probably the smartest people. I know. But i just wanted to do this because i had to look it up to make sure i was right. It is a tale that has a moral of the story ending a tale that symbolizes something or has a deeper meaning than just the story itself. It represents something that is different than the story itself and that is exactly what this is all about well. The allegory of the cave was written by plato and the nine hundred ninety nine movie matrix. The question is asked what is real. Unfortunately no one can be told. What the matrix is you have to see it for yourself. I have a real example. An allegory written by the greek philosopher. Plato plato lived from around four hundred and twenty three b c to around three hundred and forty eight bc. He believed learning. Philosophy is to make you live and die well in other words. Therapy for the soul is philosophy without further ado here. I go with the allegory of the cave by plato. Plato wrote it to show the effect of education or the lack of it. The allegory was part of his book. Republic the story goes like this. The cave has prisoners. That have always lived there away from the outside world. There is no natural light and the walls are damp and dark anything. These prisoners can see comes from the shadows of things thrown up on a wall by the light of the fire. The cave prisoners get fascinated by these reflections of animals plants. People and other objects they assume these shadows are real. And if you understand them you will excel and exceed in life. That is what they believe. One day one of the cave prisoners is freed and realize when released from the shackles and the cave that these objects are real and not just mere shadows put up on the wall on the outside world away from the cave. He sees color and beautiful animals. Flowers trees stars people freely going about their business. He sees a son and all the other objects at makeup disclosure world. We live in the freed cave prisoner saw with his own eyes. What was reality. And it wasn't the shadows in the cave. This indeed made him very excited previously. He had been looking merely at phantoms images really now. He is nearer to the true nature of being. The freight prisoner wants to share what he has discovered with the remaining slaves. That are still in the darkness of the cave as he goes into the cave. The darkness is too much and he has a difficult time seeing. He stumbles about an almost appears blind. He then tells the remaining prisoners. What was outside of the cave. The sun the beauty the color etc etc. He tells them all the things that he saw and how wonderful it all was but the prisoners don't believe him and get very angry at the freedman and plot to kill him. They tell him he's crazy and violently resist while he tries to free them. The prisoners don't want to be told they don't know the truth but why it's human nature to believe what we have always believed no doubt from influences from our youth and the influences. When we're in vulnerable situations and the cave signifies ignorance. The prisoners are representing humans before philosophy before reasoning. The sun is the light of reason and the alienated of the returning prisoner. Is what all truth. Tellers can expect when taking the knowledge back to nonbelievers or the unenlightened. Those that have not devoted themselves to thinking investigating and becoming more knowledgeable. There are prisoners or unenlightened. People in our world right now. That perhaps don't want to know the truth. That is right in front of them. Plato believes we're all perhaps in the shadows for most of our lives and these shadows are in fact only images projected by our society and culture playing on the walls of our fragile and flawed mines. Individually it's not our fault no one chooses to be in the cave but that's just where we happen to begin. We are all starting from a very difficult place. But here's the thing. If you bluntly tell people they are wrong you get nowhere causing deep offense and you may cause danger to your own life right from the majestic therapy website. There's this plato's analogy plato. Introduces this passage as an analogy of what it is like to be a philosopher trying to educate society people are comfortable and their ignorance and hostile to anyone who tries to free them from it. The prisoners plotted and killed the one who escaped and went back to help them. Just like the athenians sentence. Socrates to death for trying to enlighten them. This is an allegory of the life of an enlightened and wise people who get rejected by ignorance when they tried to enlighten others for plato. Most of us live like the prisoners in the cave. The masses are stubborn and ignorant and dedicate their lives to pursue shadows images instead of the real thing. The shadows can be interpreted as status or wealth among other things as opposed to wisdom and knowledge. So what then is a solution to this problem to prevent this try. Very socratic method. Well again from the majestic therapy website. There's this the socratic method. It is not our fault to be in the caves. We all begin their the system makes sure of that from an early age. We take everything. The environment teachers parents say to us as absolute when we have questions too complicated for adults to answer. They encourage us to stop asking questions therefore killing our curiosity. You know it's true and it is because everyone believes that we are all genuine and true people. We are taken in by that thought at a young age for some philosophers. Ignorance is a sin and plato wanted to eradicate ignorance. But you can't just go around telling people they are wrong. Like in plano story. They will get offended and probably become very hostile toward you. So you don't want that for plato. The solution to this problem was to educate society carefully and philosophically. He thought the best way to do. This was a socratic method. This is a very subtle process. You don't force people to think read some books or lecture them on any particular topic you educate people without them realizing it. Plato believed that people could detect the errors in their reasoning with a little bit of help. You just need to give them a small clue a push if you will so. They realize where they are wrong. You can't teach anyone anything by making them feel stupid. Remember that according to plato. We all start in the same cave but we have a way out and that is through philosophy. The socratic method is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying beliefs. It's kinda like a mastermind. It's a very calming and gentle process with the socratic method. The teacher does not aim to force knowledge to the students. He acts as a mediator while having a dialogue with the objective that the student thanks for themselves. While the teacher facilitates the discussion.

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Interview with Alexandra von Plato

The CMO Podcast

04:05 min | 1 year ago

Interview with Alexandra von Plato

"What i'm looking forward to is being home and being present and you know oddly to my kids i have twenty six year old. Who actually lives on his own now and two teenage daughters and They're they're sort of captive now. You know so. I'm going to be spending time with them. You know i'll be present and they won't really have that many places to go. Which is unusual. 'cause they're always trying to escape so i'm really looking forward to being cozy honestly and spending some time together and being grateful just being grateful for for having each other and recognizing that so many people have been in so much pain and are actually living this holiday season with great grief and loss and will be thinking about them and will be grateful for what we have. That's a big word grateful. These days i agree with you. I was a cmo roundtable. Call last night and everyone talked about. It was very poignant. Very talked about gratefulness and And this thanksgiving. I think is especially significant for so many people and so so. That's that's one of the positives coming out of this. What teenage daughters what are they. What are they doing at home. Are they staying schools. Virtual right yes it was. They were doing a hybrid up until week and now they're back fulltime at the at home so you know for a little moment there. I mean teenagers never released super look forward to going to school but they were happy to get back and get socialized in. Get out of the house. So now we're back all sorts of sheltering in place here and i have one daughter his in the midst of applying for college. You know it's very surreal time to do that. I mean she's looking forward to her independence in the next chapter of her life and so much of that means moving out moving away and having that big experience so you know. I think i see her trying to tamp down her her own. You know anticipation 'cause she. She's she's kind of. She's kind of steeled to be disappointed by not being able to go wherever she ends up you choosing or being able to Get accepted so so that's going on. So that's you know very very bittersweet but i would say you know bitter because that time of life you know you need to get this. Is the separation moment that so much about how your early adulthood forms and you know. I'm sad for for these kids who aren't going to get that full swing and my daughter. Who's a junior you know. She's a look. These kids were able to seamlessly. I mean they didn't have to cut over to a virtual platform friendship like they have full fledge relationships through these platforms that they're very comfortable having so it's not like they're missing out on connecting with people. But you know there's certainly a lot less parties. Maybe that's a good thing. So what about twenty twenty one. What are you looking forward to next year. I mean we you know from from my family's standpoint you know we're just keeping everybody safe and keeping my parents you know safe in and you know hoping that Sometime next year. And i hope. I i don't anticipate it being much before the end of next year but that we can look forward to truly being able to returning to some kind of normal you know pace of life and connection with the people we love and the colleagues we love the. We do

The Hills are Alive

Your Brain on Facts

04:58 min | 1 year ago

The Hills are Alive

"It was an ambitious project that though it failed would become part of the iconography of a decade in september nineteen ninety one the first term residents moved in to biosphere to a three acre volume built to be an artificial materially closed ecological system biosphere one being the earth itself a texas oil billionaire. Funded it to study. How people might one day be able to manage a self sustaining ecosystem for life on mars. It proved to be a lot harder in practice than it was on paper. The oxygen levels would drop too low. The crew didn't really know how to grow crops for food. Their pollinator soon died out and the ants moved in not just any aunts crazy ants. My name's moxy and this is your brain on facts. They go marching to by two. They're the subject of to cgi movies from nineteen ninety. Eight and a picnic wouldn't be complete without them today. We're talking about ants. This topic comes to you by popular demand to social media comments an email. That's a new record. So thanks to rachel. A prodigious and kate from strange animals podcast. We really should think about ants more often than we do considering how many of them there are. I've often enjoyed dropping the fact that the ant population is equal to the human population by weight. But is it. The claim comes from one thousand nine hundred ninety four book journey to the ants by harvard university professor and a german biologist. They based their estimate on the estimate of a british entomologist who calculated that the number of insects alive on earth at any given moment was one million trillion. If ants make up one percent of the insect world that's ten thousand trillion according to the book individual workers weigh on average between one two five milligrams according to the species when combined all ants in the world taken together way about as much as all human beings. So if you're going to play on a seesaw with a bunch of ants you would need about a million of them on the other end to balance you out assuming you weigh sixty two kilos or about one hundred and thirty seven pounds which i will tell you. I don't with around thirteen thousand ant species worldwide. There comes a lot of variety. They range from smallest less than one millimeter long to over fifty millimeters or two inches. That's the aptly named titanic mira gigante so weights vary too but experts seem to agree the average weight of an ant is less than ten milligrams but even among experts. No one really knows how many aunts there are in the world. A bbc documentary claims. There are not ten trillion ants but one hundred trillion though it still suggests that the total weight of the ants equals the total weight of humans. Even by the author's own math their calculations are wrong. If we estimate that the seven point two billion humans on the planet weigh a combined three hundred and thirty two billion kilos or three hundred sixty six million tons and ten thousand trillion aunts weighing an average of four milligrams. Each we get only forty billion kilos or forty four million tonnes or about nine pounds of human for every pound of ants even if we allow for the smaller human population in one thousand nine hundred eighty four and the smaller humans. It's still back of napkin. Math at best one expert does say that the numbers might have inaccurate at one time. Probably about two hundred and fifty years ago. We must also remember that. Humans are getting fatter all the time. We're not just increasing in population we're increasing in fatness. So i think we've left the ants behind another way to try to wrap your head around. How many aunts there are is to look at the biomass of them. One of my favourite weird history and animated rant youtube channels sam annella compared the biomass of several animals and visualized them as spheres literal animal planet's for example. If all the blue whales in the world could be mushed together like plato. They'd make a spheroid about one hundred and forty meters or four hundred and fifty feet across blue. Whales are huge but there aren't very many of them. In contrast the chicken planet is more than twice that size three hundred and thirty meters or eleven hundred feet across their small. But we've read a lot of them. The math was tricky enough. What with trying to come up with a density for each animal. But sam found order of

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Interview With Petter Kukkonen

Physical Activity Researcher

05:43 min | 1 year ago

Interview With Petter Kukkonen

"But so in ancient world we we cannot understand it without mentioning religion but we also cannot understand that without mentioning sophy and you are mentioning that our our hero of the of the story echoes. He lived at the same time as plato and aristotle and and you also have the scenes in your book where where these philosophers appear so would be exciting. You maybe share a little bit about those Those storylines in in the book before olympic games. Cenovate thirty on just Too which was the blaze were. Lotto's gymnasium was located on. They had them exhibition resting much. First alex against the abuse and then what was one of spectators and then he wanted to challenge alex unbuckle. He had a history of of competing in investing in infinite. Nothing olympic games but fee of this highly respected games in increase. So he was in real life also released. Strong restaurant denied. He was already sixty Sixty three years old so they they are they are having frosting matz with Afterwards having some wine. And i'm talking. I didn't bring any new philosophy of some kind of maine lies about his thinking. And then there's so so obvious double in young who'd think there are dates of seventeen or sixteen elected sixty couple of couple of years older than On spending about a pin. Im seven days long. Local mocha pick festival in offense. They're spending like going just the other an underground With wine about philosophy and so roaches or encounters with those two big names. And yeah you mentioned that. You didn't want to go into detail about the philosophy of plato aristotle. But i think it's quite a nice way of kind of tying in those historical figures which brings to the question that i didn't remember to ask yet was that did you have a character. All my historical character dot you draw inspiration from when you are building your your character aliko stories. He like a combination of different stories and sources. Or how how did you. How did he come to be as he is. He's for cirque combination of of different ideas. That are there must be bark of me. Thinking there is part of fiction My biggest hero in Cup all the up. His character person. I would say i have copied a face. He's characters he used in east books. So it's gonna fly combination of these three things. Yeah do we have any any stories that we have available about the athletes of those times. Do we have any sources about we know generally about sports than we know generally about the olympics but do we have any in his threes of those athletes. Who actually doing we do. Have something mostly bow. Stories out you know for some kremlin of millo. lexi's time a little bit cleaner. Howdy highly. it was like the cow in his shoulder and carried it for. I don't know thin stadiums and then drinking litres of wine after up on a leave some some rocks which sweater the weight of seven men at the start being reimbursing the time aura results in that time so interesting to compare results of Weekend we can do it just like fun. Sixers really absolute up spot At the start dates of or eight years something continued to adults for the mandela for fifty years old and For example tennessee. Something about pope sparked story about the guinness. He was a boxer and then also doing bankrupt and bunker weakened call. It's kind of a free fight. Which bills have the time. So he won't doing he sport cab your own or over. The only the big he had was due at one thousand four hundred together so if fast it's If he had liked wendy years don't carrier he had only hit the seventh beat the rockies three year so that was some kind of picture how how much they look a beating so totally professional athletes. Who train and then. They just pat time hopefully folk going for one competition to other. We must remember governor blames. Our cars drives up to use shapes. Our image travel hiked by themselves from from the states to another disincentive.

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The Mystery Of The Mummified Twinkie

Short Wave

07:52 min | 1 year ago

The Mystery Of The Mummified Twinkie

"Colin purring in Pennsylvania wanted the world to know about his accidental fungal experiments involving twinkies. So what happened next? So he posted photos on twitter and they were seen by two scientists, Brian Love it and Matt Casson at West Virginia University, they study Fungi Casson says fungi are everywhere and they have this amazing ability to break down all kinds of substances. Fungi growing on jet fuel. Wow. So he means fungi can grow on pretty much anything and everything. Yeah and in the past their lab has tested how well they grow in peeps. You know that classic marshmallow tree tour hasn't says fungi found the peace challenging because you know they don't have a lot of water in them in a way they're kind of like an extreme environment, right? The food industry has crafted the ability to to make foods that have a long shelf life. You know I could test that out right now I got some old peeps in my house my kid. Kept from Easter like years ago. But anyway back to the twinkies. So these researchers were intrigued by Collins Posts on twitter and Colin was only too happy to mail his twinkies right to their lab. They suspected that whatever had mummified the twinkie was some kind of fungus but they wanted to confirm that and then find out exactly what kind of fungus. Okay. So twinkie mummy gets shipped to the lab obviously, they had to open it up. I'm guessing and as I look at the photo, the plastic wrapping around the shriveled twinkie looks like it's been vacuum-sealed like it sucked inward like. Right right. So the scientists thought maybe the fungus got in before the package was sealed, and then as it grew the fungus was using up more air or oxygen than it was putting out I mean, here's how love it described it. You end up with a document. And very well, vacuum may have halted. The fungus is ability to continue to grow We have the snapshot of what we were sent but who knows if this process occurred five years ago and he just only noticed it now yeah five years that's forty times the shelf life of a twinkie in eternity for twinkie anyway they had expected this horrific smelled hit them. When they opened the packaging, the smell would possibly kill one of us. But because of them of -cation there there really was no smell at all, which was really a pleasant surprise. So twinkie mommy is unwrapped smells like nothing what happened next? Well, they took a quick look with a magnifying scope and Juhasz some signs of fungal spore formation on the twinkie. So that suggested a fungus of some kind and the next step was to take a sample. So casting used a bone biopsy tool to sort of drill through the tough outer layer of this grey mummified twinkie, we certainly hit the marrow of the twinkie and quickly realized that there was still some. Cream filling on the inside. So, the inside was still cream-filled. Yeah that was a surprise they thought it would be sort of hard all the way through of it says, whatever did this to the twinkie it seems that the fungus was more interested in the cake on the outside. Then the filling on the inside see, this is a smart fungus because cake is clearly the superior part of the twinkie same with Orios same with cupcakes. You know what I'm talking about right now I don't know to me. It's like the combination of two things that's key. So I can't really separate them in my mind. That's fair I. Accept that. So the scientists have taken samples from the twinkie, do they go about determining what kind of fungus growing on it? They actually sampled multiple twinkies. Okay. So one was the mummified twinkie we've been talking about the other was the second twinkie from Collins box that was not mummified. The one that was just you know marred, it had that weird little blemish on the outside of it, and then they had this control scientific experiment they need scientific control, which was a what they called an as symptomatic twinkie from the same box. So they put those samples into lab dishes with nutrients commonly used to grow fungi, and from that little blemish twinkie the one. With just the little. Marc, they were able to grow a very common indoor fungus called Klee does sport him common indoor fungus, right? It's one of the most common airborne molds worldwide. Okay. So what about from the mummified twinkie? Okay. So that's where it gets even more interesting. Love. It says, they have not been able to grow any fungus from that particular sample. It may be that we don't have any living spores on store certainly dying depending on the fungus they could I very quickly and remember because the twinkie had been sort of vacuum sealed by whatever was going on there. You know it seems like it couldn't grow anymore inside it's wrapping. So there's truly perhaps no life in this twinkie. Well, the scientists you know weren't going to let that stop them they. Samples from both the marred and the mummified twinkies and he sent off to DNA sequencing company and twelve hours. Later, they got the results back the mark twinkie was a ninety nine point six percent matched to a fungus called close Boreham zeile film. The mummified twinkie was eighty one percent to a closely related clear does for him species. Plato's Boreham Tenuous Sim. CASSON's says DNA from the mummified twinkie was pretty degraded. So they actually probably are the same fungus. I'm so amazed they were able to identify these fungi from these twinkies. It is the mystery of the twinkie over I remain confident that science will continue already one researcher Kate Wallace at the University of Illinois contacted them and asked for a bit of the mummified that she wants to put in a scanning electron microscope. One that can get really really close. Up Images and hopefully you know see something cool and Kasim says he's not turning his lab entirely over to twinkie studies but you know they could still do some more research. We thought about inoculating some healthy twinkies with some cletus forum may be doing some transplants with the bone marrow biopsy tool where we replace a healthy plug with a fungus colonize plug. And see what happens from there. This twinkie line of research is just relentless. There's so many of questions still I mean what's the overall moral of the story here that you can try to hold onto the past but nothing gold can stay not even a twinkie well, that's one moral I mean another moral of the story is that Colin, purring ten should've listened to his mother and had more respect for expiration dates but you know people are really drawn to this myth that twinkies are immortal. I should mention we did reach out to hostess brands for comment on this story and I have not heard back from them at all You know the mummy twinkie is this different kind. Of disturbing vision of what the future could hold for twinkies and you know for all of us I mean Matt and says, this story seems to be gripping for people maybe because the grey mummified twinkie is such a dramatic contrast to this golden iconic twinkie that lives in our memories when those memories are tainted by like a visual reality like the twinkie experiment, we're kind of like caught off guard and we're like wait no, that's a symbol of my childhood. You can't take that from me to. So basically, like you said, emily, nothing lasts forever. You know here's Brian Love again, we're living in a time where we're all really grappling with our mortality eventually, all of us are future fungi. On. Seeing. That is sort of facing the the reality. Of. Holly and Our destination now, I did not expect a twinkie experiment to be a meditation on the human. Condition

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The Mystery Of The Mummified Twinkie

Short Wave

07:52 min | 1 year ago

The Mystery Of The Mummified Twinkie

"Colin purring in Pennsylvania wanted the world to know about his accidental fungal experiments involving twinkies. So what happened next? So he posted photos on twitter and they were seen by two scientists, Brian Love it and Matt Casson at West Virginia University, they study Fungi Casson says fungi are everywhere and they have this amazing ability to break down all kinds of substances. Fungi growing on jet fuel. Wow. So he means fungi can grow on pretty much anything and everything. Yeah and in the past their lab has tested how well they grow in peeps. You know that classic marshmallow tree tour hasn't says fungi found the peace challenging because you know they don't have a lot of water in them in a way they're kind of like an extreme environment, right? The food industry has crafted the ability to to make foods that have a long shelf life. You know I could test that out right now I got some old peeps in my house my kid. Kept from Easter like years ago. But anyway back to the twinkies. So these researchers were intrigued by Collins Posts on twitter and Colin was only too happy to mail his twinkies right to their lab. They suspected that whatever had mummified the twinkie was some kind of fungus but they wanted to confirm that and then find out exactly what kind of fungus. Okay. So twinkie mummy gets shipped to the lab obviously, they had to open it up. I'm guessing and as I look at the photo, the plastic wrapping around the shriveled twinkie looks like it's been vacuum-sealed like it sucked inward like. Right right. So the scientists thought maybe the fungus got in before the package was sealed, and then as it grew the fungus was using up more air or oxygen than it was putting out I mean, here's how love it described it. You end up with a document. And very well, vacuum may have halted. The fungus is ability to continue to grow We have the snapshot of what we were sent but who knows if this process occurred five years ago and he just only noticed it now yeah five years that's forty times the shelf life of a twinkie in eternity for twinkie anyway they had expected this horrific smelled hit them. When they opened the packaging, the smell would possibly kill one of us. But because of them of -cation there there really was no smell at all, which was really a pleasant surprise. So twinkie mommy is unwrapped smells like nothing what happened next? Well, they took a quick look with a magnifying scope and Juhasz some signs of fungal spore formation on the twinkie. So that suggested a fungus of some kind and the next step was to take a sample. So casting used a bone biopsy tool to sort of drill through the tough outer layer of this grey mummified twinkie, we certainly hit the marrow of the twinkie and quickly realized that there was still some. Cream filling on the inside. So, the inside was still cream-filled. Yeah that was a surprise they thought it would be sort of hard all the way through of it says, whatever did this to the twinkie it seems that the fungus was more interested in the cake on the outside. Then the filling on the inside see, this is a smart fungus because cake is clearly the superior part of the twinkie same with Orios same with cupcakes. You know what I'm talking about right now I don't know to me. It's like the combination of two things that's key. So I can't really separate them in my mind. That's fair I. Accept that. So the scientists have taken samples from the twinkie, do they go about determining what kind of fungus growing on it? They actually sampled multiple twinkies. Okay. So one was the mummified twinkie we've been talking about the other was the second twinkie from Collins box that was not mummified. The one that was just you know marred, it had that weird little blemish on the outside of it, and then they had this control scientific experiment they need scientific control, which was a what they called an as symptomatic twinkie from the same box. So they put those samples into lab dishes with nutrients commonly used to grow fungi, and from that little blemish twinkie the one. With just the little. Marc, they were able to grow a very common indoor fungus called Klee does sport him common indoor fungus, right? It's one of the most common airborne molds worldwide. Okay. So what about from the mummified twinkie? Okay. So that's where it gets even more interesting. Love. It says, they have not been able to grow any fungus from that particular sample. It may be that we don't have any living spores on store certainly dying depending on the fungus they could I very quickly and remember because the twinkie had been sort of vacuum sealed by whatever was going on there. You know it seems like it couldn't grow anymore inside it's wrapping. So there's truly perhaps no life in this twinkie. Well, the scientists you know weren't going to let that stop them they. Samples from both the marred and the mummified twinkies and he sent off to DNA sequencing company and twelve hours. Later, they got the results back the mark twinkie was a ninety nine point six percent matched to a fungus called close Boreham zeile film. The mummified twinkie was eighty one percent to a closely related clear does for him species. Plato's Boreham Tenuous Sim. CASSON's says DNA from the mummified twinkie was pretty degraded. So they actually probably are the same fungus. I'm so amazed they were able to identify these fungi from these twinkies. It is the mystery of the twinkie over I remain confident that science will continue already one researcher Kate Wallace at the University of Illinois contacted them and asked for a bit of the mummified that she wants to put in a scanning electron microscope. One that can get really really close. Up Images and hopefully you know see something cool and Kasim says he's not turning his lab entirely over to twinkie studies but you know they could still do some more research. We thought about inoculating some healthy twinkies with some cletus forum may be doing some transplants with the bone marrow biopsy tool where we replace a healthy plug with a fungus colonize plug. And see what happens from there. This twinkie line of research is just relentless. There's so many of questions still I mean what's the overall moral of the story here that you can try to hold onto the past but nothing gold can stay not even a twinkie well, that's one moral I mean another moral of the story is that Colin, purring ten should've listened to his mother and had more respect for expiration dates but you know people are really drawn to this myth that twinkies are immortal. I should mention we did reach out to hostess brands for comment on this story and I have not heard back from them at all You know the mummy twinkie is this different kind. Of disturbing vision of what the future could hold for twinkies and you know for all of us I mean Matt and says, this story seems to be gripping for people maybe because the grey mummified twinkie is such a dramatic contrast to this golden iconic twinkie that lives in our memories when those memories are tainted by like a visual reality like the twinkie experiment, we're kind of like caught off guard and we're like wait no, that's a symbol of my childhood. You can't take that from me to. So basically, like you said, emily, nothing lasts forever. You know here's Brian Love again, we're living in a time where we're all really grappling with our mortality eventually, all of us are future fungi. On. Seeing. That is sort of facing the the reality. Of. Holly and Our destination now, I did not expect a twinkie experiment to be a meditation on the human. Condition

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

05:44 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"That is about how you know, people are tied down gave it. All I can see is Shadows. It's a little straight the theory of the forms. They can see a shadows and projected in front of them, you know in all their whole world is the shadows and that's all they know so they don't know what the real world actually is, you know, which is what we consider the real world. Yeah, and that the Shadows the Shadows are coming from the light of the real world and the things out there just projecting on to the back of the cave. Yeah. Yeah Plato's basically trying to say like the way we view the real world is the way those people view the Shadows on the cave. Yeah. I love you. Can I loved that illustration because it's dead. in a way, it's I mean, don't know if it's true but it's basically use talking about Dimension. It is like we're seeing the three dimensional world. But really there's higher Dimensions that we can't observe. You know, I'm saying that because those are two to the Shadows are two dimensional but they're really three-dimensional objects that are moving around and yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, and that's why every time I always thought I was for whatever reason I keep thinking of those the forums. I was like quantum physics. I just can't get that out of my mind that history of the forms relates pretty well the quantum mechanics, but again, the boss is a cave is a self-contained Little Miss that happens within the Republic another myth and the Republic is the myth of her or dies in battle and then he's he goes on a journey. It's a it's a soldier any kind of like fate. Oh, it's it's a bit of different one. But again, this is all sort of like Capstone with and it talks about the different Journeys 4 p.m. Who are just versus not just and Republic has a lot to do with Justice. And so that's you know, what that's about Phaedra. There's a softness and we can get in this in just a minute. But the whole point of that mrs. Is again just underlying some of the points of favorites that you know dialectic is the only way to acquire knowledge. And again, this is a Capstone kind of myth and all all cases. The the myth is not the central point of the dialogue. The central point of the dialogue is the dialogue The Myth is just there to kind of like provide color in the story of Atlantis, like criticism took the entire dialogue is the story of Atlantis. So it's not like a myth contained within a dialogue. It's it's the whole dialogue and prettiest and to me it's it doesn't miss contained in a dialogue but it's not typical of Play-Doh in that. It's not at the end. not summarizing what we just heard. It's introducing the dialogue. Yeah, so it doesn't fit with any of his other myths and not only does it not fit dead. He also is pretty good about attributing stuff. So in George's the myths that he tells he attributes to Homer and it it's a version of the thing of a myth Homer tells them and Fredo. He introduces that Miss by saying I can tell you a Charming tale. Yeah in really public you miss. He introduces the cave analogy by saying imagine. Yeah and the herb it's you says I will tell you A Tale in the Phaedra Smith. He says I have heard of tradition the Ancients whether true or not only they know hm home and none of these myths. Does he construct an elaborate origin story for the story? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you would just say I'm going to tell you a story about it Lantus, you know, he was like well, let me.

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

05:22 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"Make a wonderful impression on our memories for I'm not sure that I could remember all the divorce of yesterday, but I should not be surprised if I forgot any of those things which I've heard very long ago. Hm. So basically you're saying I probably I probably forgot some of the stuff we talked about yesterday with the ideal stay home. But only just told them I remember when was ten years old. Yeah fourteen years old or whatever it was. Yeah, so in the thing too just as far like memory cuz a lot of this has to do with like people will say a lot of this has to do with criticism memory and how how like good his memory is and this an old man and this kind of gets into it's just maybe we should talk about real quick Plato's idea of knowledge. So in the dialogue, meno Plato introduces off this concept for him, he introduces the concept of immortal soul and he does it by having he has Socrates walk a slave through solving a geometric problems and his like the moral of this whole story is that the slave knew this information all along. He just had to remember it he knew it because the soul was Immortal his soul at some point learned this information at some point in the life of the soul and the boy just had to work remember this information from his soul so Using reason right? He's using by using. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah or just buy like thinking and like thinking about your memory and then like looking into your soul. Yeah, but like to play no knowledge of memory in some way. It's right like like the the ability to recall is what can lead to knowledge. So some people will will latch onto this idea of critias maybe not having a good memory as maybe kind of throwing a wrench into the story and I think from Plato's point of view the fact that he had to think and remember the story may be seen as like a virtue for the story like right like he's saying this is a story that this person actually holding the knowledge. There are pulling Knowledge from themselves. Yes, I think that's kind of what he's saying. They're at least that's my boss. Okay? Yeah. My take on the on the knowledge thing was that by using reason like you would use like Socrates would use the the question-and-answer thing to kind of like the witness in a way but but using the witnesses own reason so that ultimately by asking a series of questions the witness would or I would say witnessed but the person who's questioning dead arrive at the right answers, even though previously he didn't actually know that information. He was just LED there and having to use his own reason and answering the questions arrived at the at the right answer Choice. Yep, and wonder who's going to convince a person of a thing themselves or someone else? Yeah themselves..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

04:55 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"So if the Egyptians were referring to somebody as larger than liberate a game, It might have meant more powerful than our two longtime enemies put together. Oh gotcha. Yeah, I mean point so there's there's so many different ways to read this whole section. Yeah and and the surrounding thing I've always thought, you know, because you thinking about it on a map, but if you put this if you put you put your image on a globe, you know, cuz I'm not flat earth right wage the image on a globe and then you do see that the North American continent pretty much literally if it's on the globe is surrounding the Atlantic see the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah, right so suck it it but you're right that you know, there's all kinds of issues here on what what do they mean with size? And what does he mean by surround and when we're talking about C does he mean ocean is this like a euphemism, you know, so yeah. Yeah, I take your point that there's interesting problems and questions with this section. Yeah, I guess that's my only point is I personally just for full disclosure. I don't have a like favorite Atlantis location. I don't have like a spot. I think that so I don't necessarily have a preferred way of reading all this like it could be the Atlantic Ocean he's talking about but I also don't think it's out of the question. He's talking about the Mediterranean either. So, you know, if the levels or lower the Mediterranean could even present itself as like different even if you look at the Mediterranean now it almost seems like different sees there's like a western scene and Eastern suit. Yep. So out of it, I don't know it's just there's a lot of different ways of reading this particular ocean. Another thing it would be like, what would the Mediterranean look like? If the Seas were four hundred feet lower? Yeah. Would it be even took have water in it? Yeah. Well would they be connected between East and West yeah, exactly. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, these are all I'm pretty sure. I don't know a ton about Iraq. During the last ice age. I think they're the last item added traded went through like a salinity crisis because the levels kept getting lower. Yeah, cuz it wasn't getting water inflow from the ocean. Yeah, I could be misremembering that but yeah, I guess this is one of those things where I seem to remember I thought I remembered something where there was the idea that it might have been dry at some point and then there was an inflow and inflow basically like that same thing collapsed. Yeah. Yes. It was lower than sea level. Yeah, but dry and then whatever the Overflow from the rising oceans eventually just took it in. Yeah. I'm trying to remember what that was. I remember. So anyway, so another another thing and this isn't a translation issue..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

05:31 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"You are welcome to hear about them salons to the priesthood for both for your sake and for that of your city and above all for the sake of the goddess who is common Patron and parent and educator of both our cities she found in your city a thousand years before ours received from the earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race and afterwards she found in ours of which the Constitution has recorded in our secret registers to be a thousand years old as touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago. Briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action the exact particulars of the whole we will thereafter go through at our own Leisure and the sacred registers themselves. So I'm just real quick the the part about there's one thing here first, which is that he's he's he says that the Constitution and our sacred registers off the 8,000 years old one common misunderstanding about the the Atlanta story is people will often think that Plato says Egypt was found at eight thousand years ago, but the way I read this is saying would you say syas or say us? What's the price her? Sorry. Yeah, the way I read it is you're saying size was founded a thousand years ago cuz he specifically talking about she founded your city a thousand years before hours. Yeah, and then she found it ours. Yeah. Yes. So a lot. I don't know. see a lot of people saying well Plato says Egypt was founded after Athens, Georgia. Sing and to me I'm not I don't read it though. read it as he's saying that size was founded after Athens. Yeah, that particular city is 8000 years old and and Thursday is 1000 years older than that. So nine thousand years. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I see an additional that Plato himself and other works and dial zero called laws talks about Egypt being more than ten thousand years old. Yeah Egypt itself not size. So, you know cuz he talks about like there aren't staying the same for like, you know vast period of time or whatever..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

04:13 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"So again, this is just kind of just going through this Thursday. Capitulating a lot of stuff that was talked about in Republic. It's it's relevant though because a lot of the stuff plays into the representation of Athens in the story. So okay song and you also remember how it was a view of security as far we could the best breed. We said that a chief magistrates male and female should contrive secretly by the use of certain lots to arrange a nuptial meeting that the back either sex and the good of either sex might pair with the likewise and there was to be no quarreling on this account for they would imagine that the union was a mere accident and was to be attributed to the lot to mass. I remember Socrates wage and you remember how we said that the children of the good parents were to these educated and the children of the bad secretly dispersed among the inferior citizens. And while they were all growing up on all growing up the rules were to be on the lookout and to bring up below and they're turn those who are worthy and those among themselves who are unworthy were to take their places of those who came up to me is true man. So this is like Juju Genex which you know, yeah, we would obviously yep. Frowned upon nowadays, but in Plato's time she I guess it's also probably worth mentioning. He was an aristocrat. So he you know, yeah, he was one of the quote unquote good people off, right, you know, so it a lot of this is obviously of the time and it's also, you know dealing with we're dealing with people who are of the higher class who are writing this stuff down and he's like, yeah, you know, whenever I hear things like this, I always think well who's going to be making all these choices? Of course, that's that's one of the big problems right? Well, yeah. Yeah, we gotta take a break good ideas. You think you're one of the good? Yeah. He's actually all right. We're up in a break. So times up to high. Well, we'll come back with more at Emmaus after the break. off.

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

05:37 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"Of the public where it's just all about the tuning of the difference between Pythagorean tuning and the just tuning and the ideal State and I don't know it's it's I I think don't understand the music stuff enough to really take talk about it. So I think that these guys being steeped in the you know, the various ancient Mystery Schools where she kept putting many things into their stuff whether it was art or writing or whatever. So I I I think that you know people like well, I mean, you know, you're finding patterns and then in the words and there's music but yes, I am. They did this on purpose multi multiple layers within a what looks like a single thing. I think that's that's that can be well established with brilliant artists and artists came across the ages. Well, and and to your point the guy Jamie Kennedy who found the 12 note. Yeah, I agree instruction was in The Plato dialogues. There's like at least 10 dialogues that in Antiquity. We're back to Plato but a lot of modern Scholars don't think we're his and in those he found some of them actually followed that structure and some of them didn't so he thinks some of them are written by, you know, Disciples of Plato's who kept following that structure and some of them are in by other people who maybe weren't disciples or didn't know about that but essentially a way of like if you could find that in anything you would have found that in those in all of those all those other dialogues. Yeah find it all of the only found in some of them. Yeah. So it just is a little bit of a further proof to that. So anyways, let's get back to the office. So that was just the first time this word. We just sat down 1-2-3, where's the 4th? So then today has he has been taken ill Socrates for he would not willingly have an absent from this Gathering soccer team. It's then if he's not coming you and the two others must Supply his place today has certainly and we'll do all we can having been handsomely entertained by you yesterday those of us who remain should only be glad to return your hospitality Socrates. Do you remember what were the points of which I required you to speak to me? Yes, we remember some of them and you will be here to remind us of anything that we have forgotten or rather. If we are not troubling you you will briefly recapitulate the whole and then particulars will be for more firmly fixed in our memories. Hm, so he's basically saying we talked about some stuff yesterday. I want me to go through it again and it's like yeah, you might as well go through it again because we don't necessarily remember it all so soccer uses like, all right Saugerties to be sure. I will the Chiefs even my yesterday's discourse was the state how constitutive of what citizens composed it would seem likely to be most perfect to me..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

05:19 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"I only bring up the matter of the translations is because I was tomato specifically there's sort of some famous mistranslations and we'll talk about 1, but just with Plato in general some of the translations are just because the word years. Self as many different meetings. Yeah, the mistranslations are because the translators themselves have certain ideas about what they think played a newer didn't know that they're trying to you know, say what they think the world should be. So one of the the the the more famous ones from tinnitus is this word. It's a Greek word. I'm going to page Greek word we're going to do I'm probably going to butcher. So no problem. Correct me and homework, correct just kind of the discard. So it's a it's great day at Rusty but the the in Java translation and here I'll read the actual line the Earth which is our nurse cleaning around the pole, which is extended through the universe wage claim to be the guardian an artificer of Night and Day first and oldest of gods that are in the interior of Heaven. So jao, it actually has a little parenthetical where he says right next to clinging he says or circling right? So those are two completely different. Yeah top side like what that work to be circling with gravity. Yeah. So so Brewery, it was another translator. She translated as globbed Taylor who we talked about up here Thomas Saylor couldn't globbed Lee winding. So all of these I mean like the actual literal translation is just rotate or revolve. Okay, none of these people think that Plato knew that the Earth spun, so they're basically like well, he didn't know that so we can't we can't translate it that way. No sew circling is kind of that but clinging is like logged like they're trying to think like oh, no, we think he thinks there is a stationary. So we're going to translate into certain way. Yeah so long to me has the non Atlantis Parts is full of like cosmological theorizing and philosophizing. So there's no doubt just tons of instances just like this I thought about it. So it's just that when you're reading Plato when reading a lot of this ancient stuff, you got to be very careful about the translation and the that just to about like, you know, maybe that she contacts the translator had one actually doing the translation. Yeah. That's absolutely right. I mean a single not mistranslated, but you know a word where the person chose had to choose a word out of a seven thought it could be can completely change the meaning of the entire phrase. So that that's that's for sure. You got to be careful with that and it is it is interesting to be able to look and see what other people translated certain age. Jazz yeah, and that's the only reason I include these two different free versions cuz it's interesting to just look at the differences between just the Java and tailor translation. Yeah, cuz they're you know in some instances pretty similar in some instances. Not that similar another thing to just when dealing with Play-Doh. There's this thing called stephanus numbers a lot of times like in the jaw. What translations on Thursday Berg and Taylor translation, you won't see them put in some other versions you might and they'll be along the text..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

02:43 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"That's not actually a tree a tree is one thing our perception of it is something else so that that's kind of what it made me think of there is the real thing itself which we can't actually fully perceive fully understand because we're dealing with perception, you know in a physical world. So yeah. Well, that's I think that's mean, that's exactly we're I guess she gets in there like his sort of unified theory of whatever but the soul is is part of that. So the soul can observe these pure forms, but the soul in the body. Yeah, like it's being filtered through these perceptions and in the end the what he saw the forms as is like like math. So the only way you could actually represent them pure idea of the forms would be through numbers through the purity of numbers. And this is like you're talking about rush like the geometric like you can draw something or you can can conceptualize something perfectly but You draw it out and it's not going to be perfectly if I can be perfect. Right? So the only way the thing it can be perfect is the conceptual pure mathematics version of the form and that's kind of what I think that's what I get from his theory of the forms essentially is like the only way you could have the pure thing is to get down to the actual mathematics of it there actual representation of it off. Yeah, that's interesting. Especially if you start thinking of things like Souls I mean or virtue like, how do you what's the math to describe virtue? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's those are questions. He actually never got to the point of answering but yeah. No, I mean those are all it gets into this whole other realm of essentially. Yeah, like no phone number based philosophy. Yeah, and that gets into like the Pythagorean influence on Socrates and Plato as well. So the Pythagorean stuff it off. For a long time like Aristotle who was Plato's went to Plato's disciples Aristotle talked about Pythagoras having an influence or worth being influenced by the Pythagorean School. Hm but that have kind of gone out of style more recently just because there isn't necessarily a lot of talk of Pythagorean specifically in the dialogues. They're here there. There's some talk about the public and then to me it says a lot of it but it's not it's not necessarily like Plato is always talking about the pythagoreans. But if you if you kind of and I'm not certainly an expert on Pythagorean stuff at all, but I've read a lot of stuff on people who are and they when say when they look at Plato's dialogues from a Pythagorean perspective..

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"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

02:40 min | 1 year ago

"plato " Discussed on Brothers of the Serpent Podcast

"The height of this Athenian post Persian War boom. We're Athens is you know, they're building stuff all over the place. There. They got wealth coming in all over the place. And so Socrates are seeing like all these, you know, all these different things things changing plus all this art happening to there's just play as being written all over the place. It's just it's this whole boom time of Athens, Georgia. Basically Classical Greece is Kris. This is the birth of Classical Greece is after the after the Persian War. So Socrates gets this, you know reputation as this sort of you know guy who's just always going around talking to people about stuff and you know, but the conception most people get up an hour that that's presented by Plato and presented by Academia is that he just asked questions. So he was interested in virtue primarily questions of virtue converts should be taught what is virtue different elements of virtue like Faith courage these things but there's other thoughts on that as well. You guys listen to a podcast about as Tiffany's the clouds. Yep, which presents Socrates in a completely off lights. Yeah for some Socrates as someone who very much as interested in you know questions concerning the cosmos questions concerning, you know, the origin of Life questions concerning the soul. So this kind of thing about who is Socrates is sort of a big question in Socratic and platonic stock studies. So Plato was a disciple Socrates. So to speak Socrates died in like 399. Plato was born sometime in the four twenties. So he didn't spend that much of his life with Socrates before he died, but he was certainly a you know, one of his one of his disciples before that happened and he picked up a lot from Socrates, but the question I always kind of is What part of the platonic dialogues are Play-Doh and what parts are Socrates right like Socrates is the main character essentially in all the dialogues. So, you know is Plato just using this as a mouthpiece so that he can you know do his own philosophy or is these things that Socrates Plato and that Plato's now kind of passing on Plato's dialogues them selves get kind of divided into three three different types of dialogues and there's sometimes considered these sounds like it's sometimes considered a chronology. There's there's like early dialogues middle of dialogues late dialogues and it's possible. They are chronological but there's really no evidence for when the dialogues are written..

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