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And now Jalen and Jacoby on. Shop do the strong. This week. He is Jalen rose. I'm David Jacoby. Cool check-in center stage on though, Mike we put. It's Jalen and Jacoby. What do we do? We. Big. Reggie hit the brakes. The breaks breaks breaks breaks. Do you have the rundown print it out in front of you? No, no. I saw some papers. You got some notes those shelter you sound to you. See people think that doesn't really prep for the show. Jailer press British show, we talk about Jalen prepping for the show, but he pressure this show. He writes left handed. He's got he's not pulling up to everybody in the current. He's got about nine ten pieces of paper. There's about seven or eight words on each piece later, he gives a lot of space between the words would he makes notes? This is separate it all out in the paper. And there's no lines in the paper. So it's very willy nilly. He's got a real Beautiful Mind. Russell Crowe thing going on. But he never saw that movie. Have you ever seen Beautiful Mind? Absolutely not. Rainman though, you Raymond, Raymond. No, I haven't really what about soul plane have you seen soul plane. A hundred times. What a game last night. The college football championship was absolutely amazing. It was stunning. It was surprising. It was entertaining. It had everything. But the number one takeaway from this contest. The number one thing that you're only going to see spoken about on. Jalen Jacoby is this the Drake. Curses real look at this. What happened? Remember basketball, no titles trial rafters always bounce in the playoffs Conor McGregor? Got beat up like a beep. And then he wore earlier this week a Alabama sweatshirt, and we said the only thing that could possibly could possibly take down. The Alabama dynasty is the support. Another Aubrey Drake Graham, Jalen rose. Did this game? Prove that the curse of Drake is real. The internet is something else because I saw this going around to be four the game actually happened. And now loses for twenty eight title game is added to that. He's not playing if that's the case how about so many people. Unlike yourself that root for teams that don't always win the championship. We can't all be diet, easy and so life for survey like me who root for the lions and they want one playoff game in over sixty years. I don't feel like I'm cursed by watching them. Now, it hurts to watch them struggle. But I'm not gonna put this on him. He wasn't wearing a shoulder pads and a helmet will this on those this is we're not sending him. Jalen Jacoby thirty. I love Drake. I've met him before he's super speed music. Honestly, huge fan of his. Personally and professionally but I'm not sending him Jalen and Jacoby hoodie. That's all I know. We don't need that bad news coming down. We're gonna get some long emails executives in corner offices. Toronto. Raptors must be a little concern. After all this the Toronto Raptors like they had a meeting like should we take away those seats like should we should we take away? His title is official embassador. Now. Of course, we kid big shots at Drake. AM ease. This is about here. This isn't really about Drake. This is about what happened on the field last night. Now, we know by now, it was a blowout. Win by Clemson bigshots Tigers for their well-deserved national championship. I team to ever go fifteen to know. Now as much as Alabama was outplayed watching that game. It really felt like Alabama was out coached is that what you saw as well. So this is a loaded question, and I don't think is fair to Nick Sabin. And here's what I mean. There were some plays throughout the game that were reaches for Alabama like going for multiple times on fourth down the disaster of a fake field goal where the kickers delete block like I don't think I've ever seen that actually take place in a football game before with that being said out coach sometimes starts in recruiting. And when we're watching the game last night, and you see a guy making one head catches on the sideline name Ross and making big plays after another guess where he's from Alabama. So what happened is devils Sweeney is the one person from the Alabama treat that has been. Able to go told the toll with Nick Sabin over the past handful of seasons there to into in national championships. And so when he's able to go into his backyard in recruiter guy that showed up huge on the national stage that just shows that Clinton has just as much if not more talent than Alabama, and it showed by the way, they gave him an old fashioned beatdown. Well, I feel that you are a little nice to save in there. Because what watching what happened on the field? It's just seemed like the schemes it seemed like Clemson had more going on. They were just more tricky with their coverages. There just were into his head on night. And after the game Nick Sabin was kind of asked about this. And he was a little sad in the in the post. Let's listen to it. I just have a feeling that. I didn't do very good job for team with our team given him the best opportunity to be successful. Well, it's mixed me said to talk about him being seven this isn't fully on saving. It's unfair to do that. I think a lot of this has to do with the play of to to attack via. He was there on the field. And I think he was rattled from that very first interception because he sure he shrugged it off. And he threw a great pass deep to make up for it. But that I intersection the first possession to throw a pick six like that. It's you can relate to this kind of basketball. When you miss your first few shots. You miss a lay of early? It's hard to get your competence back. Do you too? It was rattled. During the course of this game. He had to be rattled because we've talked all season the last couple of years about how Clemson has the most stout defensive line. Okay. So they've gotten pressure gets everybody that they faced including tool who we underestimate the fact that this is really his first full season as a starter. So there was a lot of magic. They're coming in at halftime and making the game winning drive and touchdown pass last year. But then these are the two teams that are playing chess when everybody else's playing checkers dapple was like, okay. I got a true freshman that I'm gonna get ready for the big moment next year. And Trevor laws was terrific. How about the fact that if he was the come out this year, he will probably go number one and he's coming back next year. So like, this was great for college football and Clinton's show that level of talent that they have is outside. Standing and doing it without lords who got suspended for the game is just fascinated with our saw and to other places spent for the game, which is something that no one really talks about. But glad you said it was great for college football. Because what this was to me was gonna go one way or the other like the narrative because I'm in the media. The narrative was either gonna be Alabama dynasty are the greatest team of all time is Nick saving the greatest coach of all time. We were going to have all these conversations. But instead of having conversations about one team now, we're having conversations rivalry conversations about two teams in already you can see during the broadcast is the game start to get away from the tide. They're talking about everyone that's returning next year. And how long are we going to see these teams head up against each other? Like this to me solidifies these teams in this era as a great rivalry. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. And it was so many things happening. So so much theater that we didn't even discuss had three touchdowns running all over them. Like normally Alabama is that physical stout defence of oriented squad. They changed their philosophy when they took Jalen hurts out of the quarterback spot. They wanted to air it out more and rightfully so. Because to a king give you that. And now all of a sudden unlike years in the past you haven't Alabama quarterback that's producing along with the best in the country putting up astronomical numbers throughout the season. And so now they get to the big game. They're unable to get stops. And they're unable to get points. And this is all of our Clinton. So we gotta make sure we get him the credit. Well, you mentioned a fake field goal earlier. And it was certainly a curious call, and I just want to take another look at that play. Because if you look at the holder you over to the sideline he's like, we're gonna do this. Right, right. We've really us like we're the defense to back and then he. Run the ball. I just loved that. Look that he gave the sideline he's saw. He saw them back up into that. Like the field goal prevent he'll over the sideline. He's like we're still we're still gonna have me run the ball with him is the lead blocker. I just love his looks at long cookies even over there. He's like. You see what the guy's white are doing over there? Right. They're not exactly gonna try to block this. I it was just it was such a great look at the moment. And you look at the score there. There will within striking distance at that moment in the game. Like they're down scores at that moment there in Clemson territory, and that was just such a curious play during that game. And there was also something else that I wanted to point out from the game itself. And we haven't talked enough during this short segment about Trevor Lawrence and his play and his ability, and you mentioned it before what he forecast to be. There was this one drive where it was like he was just making NFL throw after NFL throw. Sure, he was held a lot by the catches of Ross Higgins. But let's take look at just one isolated drive that he had during this game. Like he drops back his own twenty four at that point. This throw in that catch. I mean that's sideline right? Where needed to be only Ross can get to it. And then after that. Throws this one which is just this is just a play for the ages like that that was amazing the one handed cash to get a foot down there. And then that the twenty eventually get down closer to the goal line. And again Lawrence makes a pinpoint pass that only his receiver can catch up top over linebacker in front of a secondary person. It was just a really amazing performance from Trevor Lawrence who's going to be the quarterback of this football team for a couple more years. Do you think Lawrence will be a number one pick in the NFL when he comes out? Eventually when he comes out because he has all of the measurable 's that people that evaluate the talent for a living fill like give him a chance to be successful on the next level. And you just showed a quarterback really unlocking in office. And you didn't mention Rogers as one of the other targets that seem to be making big time plays from the receiver spots. So this squad is explosive and you gotta give a stroke of genius again to dabble Sweeney. That's a true freshman going to gets Nick Sabin in a national championship game and actually getting it done. And so this this is going to be something to be hold next year. Because as you mentioned he will be returning along with a few other guys. So eventually he is going to come out, and we also mentioned people that valuate prospects and the things they take into account, you know, size and strength and accuracy, and you know, intangibles Jalen, I have one thing. One piece of advice from. Mr. Lawrence as someone who does the same thing. But not as professionally I think that his drafts would go up. If he's got a haircut. You know what I mean? Throwback that looks more like a million on this kind of a look like don't you think? He would look good with just like a nice little short haircut or do you think he should just keep living and rock and roll in Georgia? It just like James harden beard once he won Evie P, and he put up numbers like he putting up he can't cut that beard all same with Trevor he cut his hair off today. Just beat down Alabama the national championship game plano. So you guys know him old washed, right, married. I've got three kids and things change not twenty five anymore. Staying out so five in the morning and just living like nothing matters. Get older you just get more responsibilities than you got kids. You get married you thinking, well, this isn't just about me anymore. Like, there are real human beings in my family that depend on me to be responsible prudent. And you what happen, you know, your wash when this happens to you? I need to get life insurance. What happens if I die? You know, kids my wife like if I go away. What are they going to do? And then you start thinking about life insurance and the best way to get life insurance. It's intimidating, you know, young responsible for so long. I'm not of your life insurance that starts I have no couple of companies. But how do I know those companies at the best companies will here's the thing. Selectquote comparison shops up to ten highly rated companies, including prudential banner, light the mutual of Omaha and others. The Barnes the company with the best rates, for example. 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You also have Alabama who will be returning to Harris Judy Smith. We are going to see these teams go against each other for at least one or two years to come. Does that bother you? Or does that excite you about the coming seasons in college football, well as a Michigan wolverine alone? I would love to interrupt these proceedings that everybody just feels like it's going to be catered to Alabama and Clemson over the next couple of years, probably pay attention. We've been doing a really good job of recruiting. And our team is returning a lot of stout players. And we'll be ranked in the top four next year. Also, let me just put that on wet. I mean, I wanna make sure hit the brakes the breaks. I'm sorry must be something wrong with my earpiece. Do you say about the fish came over his ranking at the end of the year? Next season. The Michigan wolverines will be in the college football playoff and likely facing one of these squads, so don't just hand it to them. Just yet is what I'm saying. Also for clemes is not just a returning players. They're returning all of the skill people that just killed Alabama in the championship game. All three the receivers making big plays rolls. Born in Alabama Oetzi it had three touchdowns Loris the first true freshman the winner says Djamil Holloway mid eighties when they running. When oklahoma. Okay. So like I understand the greatness of Nick Sabin. And I see the roster people coming back. Alabama's off also. But each week represents a different challenge when you play in the SEC. So it's a lot of footballs still remaining to play. Well, all of the sports worlds. Attention was on the bay area and Trevor Lawrence and clemson's dominance over the crimson tide of Alabama. James hearted was cooking in Houston and Jamal Murray. Doesn't mind the attention with somewhere else because look at this behind the back and then the phone, and then he one four point play gen when you watch the replay is this board, but hardened drop them or Jamal Murray slipped. It's both because what makes that move so lethal being a lefty on the right side of the floor closer to the top of the circle you trying to cut that guys left hand off. Especially James harden, a guy that can get into the book and finish the and lead the league of free throws me. Okay. So now you going to over extend your stands to try to make sure he doesn't beat you off the first drip. And so when he takes that, drip, quick retreat. And before you know it. That's why they call it being on skates. He failed down took it behind the back. He jumped up quick gotta give credit any tribes follow because it could have been a million dollar move in a five dollar shot, but he knocked it down. And that's one of the things that impressed me about many players. Today's game the level of accuracy in fishy that they're able to shoot with range off the dribble. Jalen that was excellent analysis. It almost sounded like analysis from someone who actually tried to play defense the National Basketball Association. That's pretty impressive. I really think. You know, how to play the played it when you had to now the rockets have one well, the team games they've won twelve and fourteen in there quietly climbing up in the Western Conference, I said on wax before that I believe that this is the team that will threaten the warriors in the Western Conference when it comes down to play off time. But I'm gonna say something else now for you. Jalen, I can see scenario this looking forward a bit where there's some jockeying in the front four in the Western Conference for teams to stay away from the rockets in a playoff matchup until the finals. Could you see that happening at the end of the season? Respectfully, nobody's going to be jocking jockeying not to play against Houston Rockets. They're not the Golden State Warriors. So with that being said James harden has done is become the player. He actually was before. Chris Paul arrived a volume score. And when he gets hot is can be lights out for the opponent. Like the game winning shot. He made at Golden State over clay over Draymond like that's the level that he's playing it. Offense ity is so Klinka pella's done at terrific job running the floor finishing that the hoop getting boards, getting blocks. Like they've been a dominant dual is. So this allows you not to rush Chris Paul in any way, shape of your point. And to your initial point when he does come back that's going to be all Evie a level player. Who's had injury concerns and issues the last few years hopefully in a healthy status going into the playoffs. I agree with you. They will be a tough out. But I don't think to the level where teams are going to try to just flat out a void plan against this fair. Do you remember on Friday that tweet about tension between Jimmy Butler and Brett Brown, and you know, now that we're? The few days away from it. And you know, the the the the Sixers now have a company line on this. They've both kind of come out and said that oh, there's no tension nothing. Like that happen. We just have a professional relationship as totally normal. And here's the quote from Jimmy Butler about the reports if you follow me long enough, you know, if I was being confrontational because I don't think that I could hide it very, well, it would be different. If I was going at somebody with cuss words and this and that and making demands, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm just out here trying to hoop. So let me translate that for you. He's like if I'm mad at you all because he gets you point my fingers, you will see the court because I am that guy who will do that. And since you haven't seen that I'm actually not upset at him. Are you following this logic people leave the story? Following the logic. I believe the story you saw Embi come out earlier in the year and talk about his role and how he's been utilized in by the way, he's been dominant this season points rebounds. He's been putting them work this year so far. And so when you add Jimmy Butler he plays will he makes a couple of game winning shots. He becomes the flavor of the moment. And then all of a sudden the balance of power continues to shift while Ben Simmons continues to just churn out, basically with a triple double on the nightly basis and so forth. Jimmy getting the ball areas that he likes to operate is gonna be paramount moving forward. But this team we all know will not be judged by the regular season is going to be judged by the postseason, and when you have three legitimate all stars on the floor. When that time of year happens that is going to make them a really tough. So Sixers as quick point. An article written by my pickup basketball, brother, Ben Dietrich on the ringer. And it was about how Ben Simmons does not need to develop a jump shot. Like all the media's screaming for Ben Simmons to develop a jump shot. But that's not what the Sixers need to be successful. That's not what he's good at. He's perfectly fine without it. Do you agree with that? Totally disagree. Here's what spacing. Anytime the game within the last four minutes. Everything's going to slow down. He's not gonna be in a lot of four three three to transition situations. And what ends up happening is if he can't face the floor. His man becomes a secondary or third help defender against whatever's trying to operate so that could be beat on the poll story at the top of the floor that could be Jimmy Butler. And so that hinders a lot of the things that you're trying to run and it also puts another guy defensively in the paint to grab rebounds when you miss jump shots. So if he's able and again he doesn't have to be God it's going to take seven threes game. But you need each guy to be at threat offensively. And so if he can make even a mid range shot that truly helps the dynamics of their space. I'll tell you feel moving on Anthony Davis. If you remember like a week ago, we had some comments about legacy and how that was more important than money to him. And that obviously the media people like myself ran with that and said that he's definitely gonna go to the Lakers. Enjoy LeBron or the Celtics join Kyrenia Ainge. Well, he was asked to clarify that statement. And here's what he had in response. He said, quote, I never said money wasn't important somebody our former colleague Chris Haines of Yahoo sports asked me about money or your legacy in that case your legacy last forever. Your money comes and goes. But for me, I want to build a legacy in that case if you have to choose between money or legacy. I think legacy wins every time in my opinion. Now, Jalen, I'm going to be the media guy in reach much into this. 'cause you know that the pelicans can offer him, and we'll pay him more money than any other franchise can because they have his bird rights. Yada, yada. Do you think that hearing this from him gives you more reason to feel like he is not going to wear pelicans uniform next season? Not necessarily more reason. But I think this has to start being covered different amongst the media based on under estimating how much money players actually make these days is astronomical. And of course, that final year with your burger rights can be forty fifty million dollar haircut. But you could go and do a Kevin Durant as well. Play one or two years under whatever deal that you want still get top dollar and then cash out later because Anthony Davis is still so very young. And so like he has all the leverage he's gonna be able to get both. He's got to be able to get the money, and he's going to be able to influence his legacy. That's what free agency as he now is exercising like the Popov. The tortoise his pre agency this. When you change agents. This is when you jockey to see what is possibly going to happen based on the team that hasn't met expectation so far is you June rose, listen because like base malls have got a story to tell and it starts off bad. But just follow me on it. Okay. There is a young lady in Brazil and her name's pollyanna. And she's sitting on a bench just minding her own business. She's looking at her cellphone like we all do sit on the bench. You look at your cell phone and while pollyanna ac- that bench. There was a gentleman that wind sat down next to her. And he just kind of sat little too close and made a little uncomfortable and pollyanna just felt a certain way about it. So she took that cellphone. She started to put it in her pocket. It was at that moment when the gentleman sitting next to her gestured to something that was shaped like a gun in his pocket and demand that she hand over the cell phone. Now you've chronicled before you've been in similar situations. And in that moment, you just don't know how to. Act. So what did poly on do? She evaluated. The thing that was shaped like a gun in the pocket, and she was like, I don't think that's a real gun. And so what did poly on a do little did this man who attempted to rob pollyanna? No pollyanna is a professional M A artists that fights in the UFC. So. Punched him in the face to face and put them in a choke lock. And then call authorities and held him in the luck until the thirties came now, there are a lot of lessons here. One day. I want to draw from this is first of all don't try to commit a crime. Because this is what you deserve. Second of all out there that everything's about doing anything disrespectful or physical or anything to another human being you cannot judge a book by its cover especially in today's day and age when there are so many M gyms out there. So if you think you're in a bar, and someone disrespects you or steps on your feet, or whatever no matter how big or small they are just remember they could have what pollyanna had in her in them. What was your takeaway from this story? I like this story. Gladys something Dana white shared and now for just media consumption as well as our program. Now, we gotta get it to be a guest on the show interviewer about this. I would. I love that pollyanna Viana now has to new fans there is not going to be a single fight during which I will not cheer for her to win shout to pollyanna. And again, I want this not just be a lesson for would be robbers. This should be a lesson for all human beings walking the earth. You do not know what a stranger has gone through what stranger is trained to do. What is strangers day was like, you do not know? So your best just minding your own business and keeping yourself. Jalen rose, one of our students your segments that we've had for years and years and years that just gives us endless joy, it's time for soft move or boss. Well. This one these nation laughter last night, you know, the confetti raining down and everyone's celebrating and they're handing trophies around. And you're just so happy that things get a little crazy as they did for Christian Wilkins after a huge came watch him number forty two. He gives dabble a wet willy. They double wet willy Daboh, sweetie on national television. Jalen rose, giving your coach elite Willie while he's doing an interview on national television solve more over more. Solve more like first off when you ball away. Eight ball. The coach allows you to some leeway. Don't get me wrong in well deserve. I don't want to be a guy that over exaggerates young people celebrating game. However, licking your hands and sticking it in his ear. That's just nasty. Jalen. You know, I've got young children. Right. I've got to three year olds in a five year old. And if this is one thing I can get through their head this one thing I can imprint in their moral values and their psyche is the golden rule do unto others. You would want have done onto you. And if you don't want someone else's to live in your ear that don't put it in someone else's year. That's all I have to say about that. The golden rule is the only thing you need to know in that is for Christian Wilkins when did this start where did that come from? I hadn't really heard of this term been exposed to this is clearly a soft move. And it's clearly cultural is something it looks like they picked up once they got the college not cultural is universal moving on Klay. Thompson was this acitivity question. What did you like overall about the warriors? And he kind of took it and took a pivot and went somewhere else with it. Let's listen to clay. Food dog. Family friends. Health you for us like? And being able to relieving sprint special. So he went onto not just listening about the warriors. But everything's he likes general, movies and video games included. Joe this is soft move boss move or maybe something else. This is the alternate boss move by Klay because here's what ends up happening. There's the score the game and there's the game of life. And sometimes you're sitting there and people have microphones and tape recorders and people are trying to get soundbites from you to talk about sports sometimes as much as you want to win that can't be the only thing that drives you twenty four seven three sixty five. It's just not realistic. I know people feel like all Michael Jordan did was played basketball. Well, I saw Michael Jordan do a lot of things that have fun outside of his sport. Okay. So like, I. Appreciate it clay humanizing himself with a respectful of responsible discipline answer. Well, I appreciate your response to that. And that was that was very articulate and intelligent. But I think this is neither a soft move or boss move. This to me looks like a failed test. That's to me. To me about what list everything that I've ever done in my life. Moving on. So Cody park, Cody parkey still in the news. We all know what happened on Sunday evening when he hit not just one but two rights and lost the game for the bears won the game for the eagles. Well, eagles fans, we're very appreciative of this kick that went off the upright there was actually blocked. So what did they do? They went on Ben mo-, something I'm sure you're not familiar with. But I have it, and you can basically pay anybody that you can find money, Cody parkey just happen to have a vanilla count. And eagles fans who may or may not have wagered on the game. We're sending him money via. Then MO they sent him so much money been mo- that he had shut down his account and other people started popping up with new Cody parkey accounts hoping to cash in on the wave sending money to Cody parkey after he won your team the game soft move or boss move, David. Jacoby once taught me that you could be mean, if you're funny this is actually both which makes it a boss move. But. But very you're showing it's not about the money. It's about the fact that when you miss I cashed in or whatever level of finance that. I live at boss move, boss. And the one thing you don't know about Ben MOS, you can write a little note with the money like it says like what was this for? So I'm sure the notes really funny to say, oh, I got three dollars for some guy affiliate. Thanks so much actually one three thousand but here's your thing. So you you're on my side. And you think is embossed move. If this were to happen to say the lions those weird hypothetical at the lines would have to make the playoffs and then be in the game at the end of the game. So this is. That were to happen to lions how much money would you send the kicker that? When the lens the game. Well, if the lions win the Super Bowl in a kicker is the deciding factor. Oh, man. It's like. His favorite restaurant in the state of Michigan. The tab is going to always be. Always gonna what they want. Thank you so much for tuning into Jalen and Jacoby. We really appreciate your support. Make sure you tell a friend to tell a friend subscribe to the podcast, anyway, listen to doubt, also tweet at ESPN, tell them how much the podcast that helps us. You might think it doesn't help you might think. No one reads it. But people read those we've got a whole social network department that helps we always say we the people they want part of that is finding out what the people want us to talk about. So we have a voicemail line nine eight five eight zero Jalen ladies, make sure you call in. Ask your questions Reggie slow at the buns today. It's okay. Make sure you call in and leave those is every Wednesday. We take only exclusive female voicemails general beyond countdown tomorrow. We have another great co host in for Jalen favorites. So right now, we're taking all collars ninety five eight zero Jalen call in. We'll play your message on the air. Just like this. You're all what up gung ho out just to say, Sean west trying to get on the. But I'm gonna work from the gym where I did take a shower so shot sixty Koby. I got a cultural or regional question here. Remember, lots of change in line. I run on this. Who who is in the locker room? Now, my mom was Jacoby in. My dad looks like Leyland Jacoby kids. But I don't know if that's causing this. But I've never done. It's just ridiculous. But also higher. Okay. See this is an important conversation. Everybody needs to have. Being nickel locker room cultural regional I have a very very controversial take about this. I think that this is generational. I think if you are over thirty you are much more comfortable being nude around your peers than if you're under thirty like I've heard high school football and high school football at the at the gym will originate your say, they might not be thirty thirty five. Anyway, I played high school football in in. We used to have showers and the showers which just in a big room big room. It's like one big shower with different shower heads, and like you're just going to be naked. Maybe that's just life. I've been NBA locker rooms delivers you guys don't have individuals shower stalls MBA locker rooms I was surprised by that. So I'm going to say that being comfortable being but naked in the gym. If I'm asked to say cultural regional, I would say generational. However, there's a lot of nuance to this too because we'll while I am comfortable being naked the gym. I am but the gym as little as possible, I'm officiant with my nudity. Like, I don't just like get naked, and then walk over to the sink and wash my hands. And then walk over somewhere else. Get a towel and start conversations with people. I am naked in the gym. It is when I need to be naked in the gym. But I'm not like rushing around to constantly cover myself as if my genitalia is something that needs to be protected from the world, especially lock environment. Mr rose. Those are my thoughts on the topic. I would love to hear yours. This is a great discussion topic, and you covered a lot of ground. I just wanna modify a couple of things that you said when when you talked about it being something as generational. I would go way over thirty like say like fifty five right off top like cats like fifty five and older when you see them at the gym. They're not caring about your ability to share the locker room with them. Right. They own they walk in naked near the shower. They walk in naked near the sink. They walk in naked near the stall. Yes. Like everywhere like they behave they behave as if they fully clothed when they're in the locker room. Correct. Like in. That's one of my pet peeves, regardless of your age, regardless of your culture or region is this ain't sure kit, this ain't your bathroom. Okay. This is a public facility for all of us to share. Okay. I would much rather go to the scene after you. If you were not just standing there naked in front of it. Versus if you respected the spot in had on the tile. Okay. As it relates to like shower, and we're not gonna get too much into that. But like. It's an open era open area. Usually and somebody that grew up playing team sports play football play basketball, my Atari a Red Cross country. Like, so like, it's no big deal in any way, shape or form for me to be in the shower with others doesn't bother me in any way, shape or form. But so's getting out of the shower. I'm definitely putting on the town. I do walk in tours my seat in the locker room after the game knowing the media going be in there. There are some guys that have done that. And I'm not gonna say their names. Yes. You are like I'm not that do. Who is that dude? Not gonna be able to do it. Okay. Well, a couple of things that just abilities with families and kids in college. Now, probably this is important living these stories, so Jalen, you know, you've hit me to a lot of things over the eight years. We've been doing this show. You know, your your brother of mine, and I've taught you a lot and you've taught me a lot and one of the things that you brought into my life. One of the many things you brought into my life is. Join a steam room, you know, what I mean, this is just an executive workout as we call it. It's just like a nice steam get outside for ten minutes. Go out a little bit cool off get back in the steam in the hot get back in the steam, and then changes if you actually worked out, right? I love steam room. However, I I don't I don't want exposed him to tell you my steam room experience. You know, what I mean, I feel like in the steam room. It's I think you should have a towel that covers your genitalia and again. Everyone has their own thing. And I I don't think there's anything sexual about any of this. I wanna make that clear there's nothing sexual about any of this. But there are some people. They're just more comfortable just sitting in the steam room but naked with their naked. But she's up against those steamy tiles and their pills out, and it just kind of makes me feel like, dude. This is a shared space. This is not your personal steam room since it is a shared space. Let's have the courtesy of others just a rapid Holleran. That's all that's all no doubt. Depiction? You just gave is people behave in like halfway crooks because they know what they're doing. And here's what I'm talking about. When you come into the steam rule, you lay a towel down. So you sit bear but on the facility C, or whatever you wanna call it. So you know, what you're doing your conscious of it? 'cause you put a towel down. You're supposed to have a second how to cover up your waist area. Yes. You gotta do that. You got you gotta give me that if you wanna lay out naked. And again, this is shared space, if it's crowded this your chance to lay out Nick this really down this team. It's empty does different. Yeah. It's kind of like laying down on an airplane like only if you have the space if you've got an open team next to the right and left go ahead and lay down. But if someone walks by like, hey, I'm in four b you can't stay laying down. That's kind of how the space in the steam room. And another thing is just a wrap this up is there is somewhat regionality to this. But it's not a region within the domestic United States. It's a region within the globe, the flat globe, Kyrie irvings flat globe. There are certain regions of the flat globe during which it's just people just more comfortable being nude. It's just different cultures. You know? So I guess it's cultural regional and universal engine original. But the other day be officiant with your nudity. Don't be extra news. Don't be extra news in a shared space. No one wants that. It's a little weird never ever across the board in your life. Should you be extra nude in a shared one more thing while we're on this important topic? Thing when you get up out of the toilet when you at the health club. Whether you had a restaurant whether you at school when you are finished using the bathroom, you know, whatever you put in the toilet flush properly or not. You you could be two years old and notice. Okay. I hate going into the bathroom at the somebody in all is their feces and or their toilet paper, and they didn't even flush travel. A lot him at the airport. I'm walking, and I'm like, you can't even use four or five of bathrooms stalls. Don't come to my house. So be courteous to. To come to my house. I got three year olds call it. And then I got I got I got I got I'm lucky enough to have multiple bathrooms in my home. And I would say at any given time at least one of them's got something going on in toilet. Between the five year old and the two three year old. It's just like, oh, we know that it's it's it's it's wipe flush wash duck wipe flush wash. I dunno. I dunno what age is gonna get in their brains. But it's still. All right. Thank you so much for the call lead to some very important conversations. Listen to another one. On the ball. Good. You Jacoby outrage and the whole crew up there. Shout out on first of all the whole not showering and the Lululemon stuff that I heard on the part of day. Both of those just prime examples of of cultural situations that Jacoby is going on there. Puerto Rican from the Bronx. I definitely resemble. Jalen, a lot more grew up with you know. Yeah. Anyway, so so the both of their cultural and different things that don't really people don't do who don't look like Koby's. But. However is it reasonable cultural to where some workout at tire. Whenever you go work out every time I worked I just have some basketball shorts t-shirts sound like that. But I know there's a lot more people like Kobe where other type of something a little different actual workout clothes name-brand stuff. I never in my life. So original cultural. Let me know the people what they want. So first of all there's something to turn going on here at the programs that I need to pull everybody behind. Reggie watts. Mike, we only registered under soundboard for three years, and he wants a Mike. So if you call it this me, you're getting on the show. I don't even think he said shut reg says read started off by dizzy me say shuttle register the show Noli clown Jacoby. And you get on the show. This. This is his voice. Shelter will from the Bronx. You ever see me in the street? The biggest pound, but home, I didn't even really have a question. He's like our workout clothes cultural regional these. I wear basketball shorts and a t shirt, and I go the gym will those are workout clothes. I wear when I go to the gym. He's talking about like specific like if you go to the Nike store they've got like this and this is for doing cross fit. And this is running for basketball. I understand what his question is. But here's the thing is is if you dismal you get on the show now. And this is what's happening. This is become a thing. And I could take up grown. You know what I mean? I'm not says it if you have to call it. But now, you literally don't even have to give shut out any more. Have you not asking questions you just? On the show airs, we gotta get reg of Mike. No, we don't gotta give them a Mike. Oh, we don't know. We don't fish out to will in the Bronx trying to clown. Yeah. Just trying to I'm going to try to pull everybody buying occurs. What's really happening with these voicemails? Listen, Reggie's got see now. Reggie. He's doing right now is I notice doing right now because I know this man, very well. He's going through the voice mails that he's already pulled. Because the next three that he hadn't line or all dissing me. And he's going to try to switch it up to play one. That's normal question. He's having trouble finding because see only to the first five every day. And he only wants to be. It was just real quick go read go. This was mill go Brad shut up. This is really from Philly, and I'm here to pack up to here. I think show every day even when I'm hanging around the crib doing nothing in the next hanging on the crib into nothing sheriff up to every run, but I will say as a pickup player in the league player per floor hockey or gays where you're playing a game late. Go grab drinks late. Your tires changed. Have you close? Like, you know, what I just want to bed and you do it. So I feel you'll be one AM finish the game. You get home here, humid, your person on the your shout out say I understand, but should've taken our cut up. All right Keyes regimen. Our if you could you see that the end, they're like willies like, I got you comb, your my guy of calling in this to stand up for you. But by the way, you're totally wrong at the end. They're just that in come on willing. Give me a straight up compliment calling up like Jalen up ruckman juices, the path five you one of the greatest on the court. You one of the greatest media your headlines about the bull. No one. That is not true. How all no, no, no, no, no, don't try to pull me into your registering? That's between you him. And by the way, both of the last two callers did give ridge a shout out like that's become customary to get on the program. And the second caller, you thought reg is going to have somebody going at your neck, but he was actually supportive of you. The first thing that he said the last thing that he said. Couldn't help himself. Grew up. We'll forget that. All right. This is another voicemail if you call ninety five eight zero Jill, and you can leave us voicemails just like this. Toes? It should be from Berkeley, California. Man what a game Clemson Alabama. I think everybody little stocked off that the reds get that straight. It showed my Jalen. You're a real humble do. I love that about about. I was just wondering when advice you would have the Alabama players on taking law and the national championship. Because I know you've been through it. Liz, it first hand, I know you have some real life by that. She probably gift to the players any players coming up that that I through it and get all the way to the game and lose it. I know that on there any advice you can give the players that take a hard loss at the end of the year. Keep hitting those checks people what they want say. Thank you for the call. Appreciate the love. It's a lot to unpack. And it's refreshing when we get calls like that. Because. One of the things I tried to do in this industry. Besides like. You know, work, really hard and and be disciplined analyst, sports and half fun doing it. And have a personality is, you know, like going to the lavish constantly trying to reinvent myself. Just make it look easy. Make it look like I'm not doing it. Whether it's verb is dead. I use or whether it's a delivery whether certain things whether certain jokes, whatever it just to sound different in. So like. Everybody's going to celebrate the champion, and rightfully so we're we're a society that. Gravitates towards what we feel is success, and what we deem is the best. And what usually happens is people are people are so easy to dismiss everything else that takes place to get to the big moment. So like if somebody wanted to clown me, they would say ha ha you ain't never won nothing. And. That would be far from the truth. Because like if you're speaking to someone you should actually know their history. And if you say I never won anything does that count like when I was in eighth grade and we won the Christmas tournament. Does that mean that you know, it didn't mean anything to win Pierce AL championships city championships state championships in in high school? He doesn't mean anything to make it to the final four collegiate basketball. It doesn't mean anything to win the Eastern Conference and actually represent Indian BA finals by all of those steps actually met. Now, they're TV that have had so much success. Like the Boston Celtics where they hang championship banners. They don't have to hang division Benner. But that doesn't mean that they don't acknowledge it somewhere because that just is a part of the journey. And so when you lose. That should be when you're the most vulnerable and humble because right now the Alabama players. This week will be back in school. Just think about that number one. So it's not like you could just go hide. There's more to be done along the journey. You're still hearing from the coaches Nick save is going to reach out to them their position coach is going to reach out to. In other many people are going to talk about how now Clinton has slave the bully and Alabama now it's just going to be in the rear view mirror. So I would say to the Alabama players is this is your chance. This is your moment. This is your opportunity to work harder than you've ever worked. That's how this goals, and so I believe in saving and that program, and that they will respond, and it's not just about collegiate football. It's a life trait. Sometimes your critics, right? You got be a look yourself in the mirror and be honest with your strengths and not to braggadocious about him. But confident fill yourself fun. Take a lot of pride in the good things about yourself. But also when you look yourself in the mirror, you gotta see you your wars. You gotta you gotta see the things that you need to work on. Honestly, do it don't just say do. And that's the vice our give those who learn how to respond. We lost the state championship my sophomore year in high school. Won the national championship. My junior year. We wanna stay championship back to back years. My scene. We lost the championship my freshman year, college, we still made it back to play it in the second year does just high go you got to respond. Some of my best games ever. When I got disciplined before the game got benched, my career high college is the only game I didn't start at Iowa. Well, think everybody for listening to the show today as always our podcast listeners are favourite consumers of all Jalen and Jacoby content. Make sure you know, Jalen on Instagram Jalen versus everybody follow me on Instagram Jacoby, juice. Just like what it sounds like I do somewhat regret that handle. But you know, what I'm rocking with now. Ladies leave us voicemails tomorrow. We will have a special past. Seem for Jalen rose as Jalen rose will be Jalen road. He's gotta hit the road and go to LA to give the people what they want on NBA countdown tomorrow. We will have ryen russillo return to leave voicemails for ryen russillo ladies called ninety five eight zero Jalen to do. So cannot wait for tomorrow's show. What? We're not. Guys. I love speaking of harvest. Let's talk about LeBron James my nipples seriously.
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What could be more evil than Nazis, producer, Jj Abrams dares to imagine an answer in overlord, thrilling pulse. Pounding action adventure? With an unexpected twist sent Nazi-occupied France mere hours before day. Overlord follows a team of American paratroopers come face to face with enemies. Unlike any the world has ever seen. You'll have to see it to believe that don't miss Paramount Pictures overlord in theaters November ninth rated offer strong, bloody violence disturbing images language, and brief sexual content. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from draft dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Well, come man, happy Halloween. The fantasy football players are back. Andy Jeff in Ryan here. Another episode of the podcast so much going on just another day. Yes. The coaches here. Look guys this show has been too good. Yeah. It's been. It's been ten and six five show. Yeah. You know? I ain't about that life. Oh, we're bringing it down. I ain't going no seven nine. Eight eight nee sounds real good. And I'm gonna bring that middle line right to this show for but how well we appreciate Mr. Fisher, Sean, eighty eight minutes. Eight minutes show, I'm going I'm going to win some. I'm lose some on every prediction on this show. Eight so Ryan Fitzpatrick is here. Hey, everybody back from. I got my job back. De jacks is ready. Yeah. You're looking good. You got a little bit more chest hair than I remember you having Mr. I apologize for nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I look I took some time. And you know, I I've got I've got the by week, and I figured why not step in and host host the podcast. Stop by the set. Check it out host to show if your name is Andy you become the host. I get it at all makes sense number fourteen bringing it. All right, Alina, everyone. We've got a jam packed show. Happy halloween. Indeed, we have players that are going to haunt you. The rest of the season pump the brakes on this show. We've got all the trade news all the trade information. You need. My goodness. Is this is this major league baseball love it big names flying around. And look, I hope I hope someone you stashed Mr. Cortlandt Sutton. Yeah. We'll get to that. Let's go. Let's go with this fine. Quick question. Brooks. How're you doing today? Excellent question rate. All right, John Halloween, and we wanna compare look the kids my kids. They're ready to go. They have these new sophisticated inflatable costumes. Have you seen these? Oh, my son has one they come. I mean, they're like thirty bucks, and they come with like a a pump and air pump that runs on batteries and inflates you to ridiculous sizes hit my son is a gigantic inflatable panda. He's a panda bear. Yeah. And my son has one of those looks like you're writing on a dinosaur because it's got very cool. See the problem with the panda costume for my son is the the elastic band. That's supposed to go on the face swallows his face. He's been eaten by a panda scary. Yeah. While they like the candy. They're gonna go after the candy. I I had my favorites going up. Everybody loved Halloween compare a player to a Halloween candy. That's your quick question of the day verse. Go ahead hop in. Because look. I know it's a polarizing topic polarizing candy and a polarizing player, but there's truth to be had here Marlin MAC is candy corn because disgusting not everybody likes candy corn. But in truth, candy corn is very good, candy Korda's delicious. It is a wonderful treat and Marlin is a good running back. Nobody wants to like him. It's it's invoked to say, oh, do any good is, you know, Paul Perkins. No, he's actually quality running back. He was last year. He is this year. I like Marla Mak rest of season. And I like candy corn. I will continue to eat it. Despite what everyone of you all shaking your heads. No in this room. Apparently, I am sitting alone unless baby Josh where I can't see them payment. Josh like, oh, he's oh baby. Josh likes candy corn is me and me and the baby did I I saw pull on Twitter. I mean, it was a seventy thirty. Dislike of candy. Yes. Sounds outright terrible. It's candy corn is the let me ask a real question. About candy corn does each of the colors tastes different from. No, no. I fake is a pretend. Yeah. Just color when I eat them. I eat them in pieces. You know, I'll eat the white the yellow eat the orange. They'll tastes the same which is deliver wax Mike compare a player to your favorite Halloween candy stuff getting over that. I mean, you had to be Jeff Fisher to give a food take like that candy corn. I'm going with Jordan Howard is a Tootsie pot because MAC when I back in my day Tizi pop, you know, you're excited. All I get a lollipop here. This this going? Well, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. And it's terrible on the inside. You don't like the snow? It is awful. Roles in the insides of Tizi pops are terrible terrible things. And at the beginning of the season when Jordan Howard was catching five passes three passes a game. You went holy crap. That was your three licks. I've got three hackery lexin the passing game. It's all happening is coming true. They talked about Jordan Howard, working on the jugs machines and to and I've got a legit Rb one. And then they said, no the in the past four games, we're going to give you maybe a target a game if you're lucky and you're just back to Jordan Howard, getting twelve carries on the ground. And now, you're just stuck with the inside of a terrible to see. Well, I actually really liked the inside. Of course, you do. Disgusting back in my day back in my day. I really hope that somehow because we recorded this the night before Halloween, I really hope that Jeff Fisher's hired as the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals tomorrow. I'm not sorry. The Cleveland Browns. I'll take any one of those teams. You don't care. All right. I'm gonna compare Chris Thompson, Ted double bubble. You guys know what I'm talking about the Selva bubble. Yeah. Those are the those are the the they make up thirty percent of all of the candy at the end of the day when you look through. And you're like, oh what I give up, but you can the little twisty bubble gums you're going for size for bubbles. You can get it done double bubble. I just read this. They sell one hundred thirty eight thousand pounds of double bubble a year. Wow. But here's the thing about double bubble. The dump you get a couple of choose of flavor. And then it's gone. Your whole experience has gone. Everything's going fine. All this tastes good. And then it's junk, and unfortunately, you get about to choose into guarding Chris tops say you got two good games to start the year off with fruit stripe. Well, that's not a that's not a Halloween candy Mike kit with strong, not Halloween candy. No, it's I mean, it can't be. But it's not known as right when else do you get double bubble? Yeah. Like do they sell that a different day of the year? Can you go to the grocery store? Get any elbow mobile. Be like, oh, look, I'll grab a handful of these double mumbles. No. So Chris Thompson. Unfortunately, cannot stay healthy what happened to single bubble by the way when out. Yeah, they self only. Thirty thousand pounds of that. But no. So we got candy corn. Double bowling Tootsie pop. That was helpful everybody. All right on Twitter. You can find us at the F F ballers definitely check out our fantasy football community. I looked at this yesterday. There are over seventy two hundred of you supporting this podcast at thank you so much joined the foot dot com. So they appreciate yeah. Yeah. The fantasy football really appreciate very nice. Let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league. Well news. I'm starting for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yes, we already knew about that. But I needed to bring it up again because I'm back Ryan Fitzpatrick while you're back, but you you would fit more with this news drop. Oh, Ryan Fitzpatrick back from the seventies to start with this week in the National Football League. You guys one five or six touchdowns this week. I want seven you got. I can do it does that Amana chest here like absorbed more impacts is that why you can. Yeah. You try taking a helmet to the chest without this bag of for. All right. Here's the big trade be deceased. Damaris Thomas was acquired by the Texans traded from the Broncos in exchange for a fourth round draft pick. It's it's a great move on because the Texans play in Denver this week. So cool. It's your I saw your tweet Mike, you it's we have a full rocket jock situation here. Just where a player has been. Traded mid game. It's pretty funny because I mean, he has to start now at in Denver where he's made his Mark. He's been a great player for them. And he goes to a good situation to Shawn Watson the Texans threatening for the play offs and fantasy wise. This is good for manual Sanders. It's a litte FIS him to me to some of the things that he's done this year have been super impressive. But we're all holding our breath waiting for the next shoe to drop, and then ultimately, Portland Sutton is the monster winner here because he is a beast of a man. And now he's going to get consistent snaps. He's end more targets. Yeah. He is a great wide receiver is my number one coming into the draft. And clearly the Broncos have fallen in love with the guy because he was in the preseason. He was in from week one even three waters see sets. And now they have the confidence to ship off the Maria's Thomas, the the main piece of their wide receiver core over the last several years, Cortlandt Sutton is to me. I mean, we said this. On yesterday's show and even last week's show talking on waivers now with this trade done. He he has the chance to be a locked and loaded weekly wide receiver two straight off the waiver wires. I do see this as a downgrade for various times not everybody will see it that way because you get an upgrade in quarterback. Right. You're going from case keenum as what he was already being basically, the number two. They're behind Emmanuel Sanders. Now, he goes over to an upgraded quarterback. Shawn watson. But he's the number two behind the under Hopkins reason, I think it is a downgrade is is just simple when wide receivers change teams. It's not always good is not always quick and easy. This is a mid season change over to a team that wants to you know, run the ball have defense, and is a clear, you know, it's not like Emmanuel Sanders. Deandre Hopkins another level of wide receiver one. He is the grow your cut main guy there, and I think it's also bad news. For KiKi Cutie. Yeah. Oh, yes. Certainly is is ceiling in the role that possibly could have been there for him. When he returned from his injury is capped. It's an interesting moves move the Texans. They needed to do something. I mean, they're they're on their way for a playoff run and they had to add a weapon, but this is interesting because the weapon they're losing or loss was will fuller the field stretcher to Mary's Thomas is not a field stretcher like will fuller anymore. Neither neither was KiKi though. And I think I think ultimately why talked about Vincent Smith is this. What are they gonna do here? But I I if you look at Thomas is more replacing the utility of KiKi and being a more, you know, obviously, healthy established. Look he wasn't doing anything in Denver. So I don't think it's necessarily it's downgrade when you when you think about the expectations of what you had last three games for Maria's Thomas three for thirty five. For forty three for fifty. Do. I think he can catch five balls a game with the Shawn Watson, I do. And so what is your expectation to three fringe guy? I think that's possible. Especially the way teams rotate covers to Dan Ray Hopkins. This also could and I'm not saying it is. But we see moves like this happen. That are good indications of other players who are injured not being as close as we all hope. So it could be one of those things where they know Kiki's aways out, but you might not be back for several weeks, and they have to have another wide receiver. But it was a smart move for both teams the eagles have acquired wide receiver golden Tate. That's huge. Wow. From the lions in exchange for a third round pick. They've also restructured the lions have Marvin Jones's contract, and this is kind of an interesting move over. All right. I mean, golden Tate is been a centerpiece of the offense. And you know, twenty six percent of all targets in Detroit when he's seven. As I'm a golden Tate. Yes. Yeah. I had him down as a twenty-seven percent target share. That's just a massive amount of target. So you look at you know, it's very similar situation. As what we just talked to you where you remove a big piece. I'll tell you this and Marvin Jones and Kinney golladay. We're going to be talking about one of those guys in the main segment of the show so won. We we'll be talking about one of these guys not gonna dive too far into talk about it. It is. It's eerily similar as far as it helps. And hurts because I think I think golden Tate owners have to be sad. Yes. You're going from a report where you are a ninety and one thousand guy for the last three years with Matthew Stafford. Now, you switch teams midseason. Sure. Maybe you get a quarterback upgrade if you believe winces his better. But you are honestly, you're now, you're downgrading your you're going from being the one or maybe the two and certain games too. You're the you're the. Three now because Zacher and alshon Jeffery are the one to I do think that golden Tate will have some good games for the eagles. Certainly hurts Nelson galore. I believe that this is just another receiver to take targets away. From it wasn't like you are already banking on the Lord of the viscera, Jordan Mathews, though, it does it does say goodbye. And on the other side, look Marvin Jones is role becomes more secure from target standpoint. He had been he had only surpassed sixty ours. One time in the first six games this year and Kenny golladay had had the breakout. I four games. So to me after the breakout week for Marvin Jones's past week where he had tin catch or seven catches in one hundred seventeen yards two touchdowns. How do you feel about Jones? I mean spectacular. Yeah. As do I and then Kenny golladay more opportunity for him. So very interesting. Very interesting trade, and then some other moves, Tom. Montgomery if you wanna fumble get outta town. The ravens acquired time Gumri from the Packers in exchange for a twenty twenty seven then pick which is the same as a bad full of double bubble. Yeah. I think the the bag full they would've accepted that. But it just wasn't offered. This is insane. You're you're basically, cutting the guy. Yeah. Except you get a pick a worthless. Pick two years from now. I mean, they are putting him in it. It's it's a great situation for the Green Bay Packers running backs. Now, you've got two headed monster instead of a three headed monster. I think Aaron Jones is looking mighty dealers fantastic, especially since especially since now with time on Gumri out there upcoming games are with teams are going to score. And it's going to be high scoring Green Bay's going to need to score. They're going to be passing the ball Aaron Jones been great in that role. So with and and that was you know, ten Montgomery. Here's a wide receiver. So he was always on right? You'll in those situations now, he's gone. And then on the flip side buck gallon. Alex Collins, just m- muddies the water. Maybe this is replacing Kenneth Dixon, saying, okay. He's not gonna come back off the I R, but you can't be happy. If. Terrible for all decisions for Baltimore running back. Yes. I mean, you don't you don't have prior guy. You don't want us. Maybe it's special teams for the majority of it and rotating in for Bucknell by they saw what he did on Sunday, this that we gotta get some of that the bills have agreed to terms with Terrell prior. Oh. How do we do? We know the position they have agreed to terms with it should be quarterback. It should be one hundred percent should be quarterback. Derek Anderson's gonna play on Sunday. It'll be out with concussion is going to be Nathan Peterman because Josh Allen has been ruled out. He is not throwing yet. Either the bills are they're in trouble. You saw this past week when they wanted to go the not wanted they win. They're going full wildcat on a bunch of snaps throwing out every trick. They possibly could to beat the patriots. If they're now have a legit wildcat quarterback. Just it don't even give them a playbook just say, okay? Through L prior. Take a snap and do something. Really cool. Yeah. You remember seventh grade? Do you remember waiting for the raiders do that? Yes. You're has the longest touchdown run by quarterback. And he does history. Yes. He he's a great athlete that would be cool. And if he's gonna play wide receiver them, would you so in in truth? Would you be willing to take a flyer waiver wire pick on Terrell Pryor in the hopes that they do utilize him from wildcat. And he just touches the ball more. No, I wouldn't it. That would be. I've got too many priorities is a fantasy owner at this stage of the season too, many things I'm thinking about too many. If you're basically what you're saying is if you're chasing, Terrell Pryor. That's. You're in a dark place. Your vote is already upside down. You know, what if you're wanting in my cabinet and hang out with your one in seven you should do that just for something to distract you. Some debate is into also news on AJ greens toe at least one report from the Cincinnati Enquirer says that he will quote, be fine. And that the booty was wearing his precautionary the they do have the by week is just good timing for fantasy owners in that respect. So we'll find out what happens, and then maybe I have a receiver to throw to you know, what I mean? Yeah. May meet him got Boyd. Yeah. I like AJ the Mon. All right. We're going to get into pump the brakes, and then a special Halloween segment of the show before we do that. We wanna thank pub g mobile, oh, baby. For look pub g these guys have heard me talk about pudgy forever. One of my favorite games. These and now you can gear up on mobile compete for glory on pudgy mobile, the official mobile version of player unknowns battlegrounds, it's got intuitive, customizable, controls on your mobile device. One of the best mobile games available and it's free to play. So you've got those hundred man battles. Pudgy last player. 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Now's the time where you start bidding on stuff and because it's auction. You can win stuff crazy cheap. I mean yesterday, David Johnson signed jersey, sixty seven dollars a TY Hilton signed football, sixty six dollars. Michael Thomas, forty nine bucks yesterday sold on auction. And what you do is. You just start putting these bidden bids in wherever you want and whenever you actually win. It. You start accumulating these things you don't need to know who it's for you. And then eventually Christmas rolls around you go one makers this to me you on. So check it out go to Pristina auction PRI STI in the auction dot com. Make a completely free account and make sure when you sign up you let them know that you heard about them for the fantasy football podcast. I've a follow up real quick. Okay. Sean McDermott was asked about Roe prior playing quarterback. He did not dismiss it. He says the sign the signings, Terrell Pryor, and it's all about the bills current situation at the position trill prior. If you look priors. He's not going to be the fulltime QB. He will get a handful of snaps at the quarterback and throw some passes it, yes and some interceptions. Maybe he did this for a while. And you leave when he was making the transition in Cleveland took some wildcat snaps. He threw a few pass and he was valuable for fantasy there. And you look it's always nice when I mean, if you could ever play a quarterback in a wide receiver slot that then you would do that. So I mean, he's going to be wide receiver and your platform. Still. He's going to have to throw himself chasing after Terrell Pryor is hey, it's Halloween. All right. Well, you know, what it's Wednesday, and it may be Halloween. But we also have to pump the brakes so O O Reilly. I think we did that better than Andy Jason Mike I've ever done that. I agree. I'm pumping the brakes on Wendell Smallwood and Corey Clement because I believe that Josh Adams will become the man, or at least the man most dependable in that backfield in Philadelphia by the season's end, he's the better bigger stronger running back, and while I know that they kind of lean on Smallwood right now. I don't think that's where they want to be in Corey Clement not enough snaps. I think you've gotta pump the brakes with your your viewpoint. First of all in Clemett. Look I've got him in a couple of leagues I hope for better things. It's not coming. And when I watched the tape he moves his legs a lot. He ain't going anywhere and then window Smallwood right now, the volume's there where you can flex him. I'm not saying that you can't. But I think the Transition's coming. So if there's opportunity to move him if there's opportunity to protect yourself by picking up, Josh Adams. I think that's what you do on pumping the brakes on that backfield overall because. It's just hard to predict unfortunately. Yeah. You never wanna be in a backfield with three running backs. That's why I'm not quite as high on Josh Adams. But I agree. He has looked the best of the three. And I don't have any problem. Pump the brakes on small wooden inclement. I'm pumping the brakes on Alex Collins, speaking of three headed running back by committees. Now, I I had this in here prior to the trade for time on Gumri. So this is an even more aggressive pump to two pumps. Double-o Alex Collins, he's going to be in a low scoring possible. Low scoring divisional game the Pittsburgh Baltimore games. They're not always the fun explosive offense of outputs that you want to see but Alex Jones has been very touchdown dependent this season. He already has five touchdowns on the season. Which is really rescued some of his games where it's like, oh, he was he was pretty good. Even though he was ineffective on the ground. Pittsburgh is the second. Toughest matchup right now against running back specifically because they've only given up three touchdowns on the ground to two at all like two running backs at all not just the star. But through the whole team that's eight weeks. Only three touchdowns. I don't see this being an Alex Collins touchdown probability games. I'm pumping the brakes on him, especially now with puck gallon and time Montgomery may be mixing in well Nellie. Yeah. Yes. It's a messy situation. And it's it's kind of sad because you know, that Harbaugh has wanted to have a guy fair for so long, and they just haven't they haven't had it. Yup. I don't gonna pump the brakes on big band. Ralph Lewis Berger he's gonna take on the Baltimore Ravens. Jason was just talking about the match and look despite the success of the booty, scoot and one big band does not have much scoots to his boots. I hope this can turn into a Russell Russell Wilson situation where next week. We Andy pumps the brakes whatever's playing against Baltimore. And they explode after big lead explodes to seventy four and one when he played them at home earlier in the season. It are coming off a loss to they're going to be hungry division game. Big Ben against the ravens. I'm off. I'm trying to find a a better option. I think Ben maybe. Yes. This is a little bitty baby. Man. I get it's. Weeks or here, you might be forced into playing him. But if you're one of those teams that you got to QB's on your bench. Well, let me ask you probably playing that other quarter. But let me ask you this. Because I believe in stream my stream of the week, Derek Carr. Right. So who would you take would you because I know you're not a fan of their car in general, but I like car this week. So would you pray car over Big Ben rankings will be up later today? And that's going to be one of those things that I'm looking at. But as of right now, my house your hair feel let me let me give it a rub grubbing through the chest area, not feeling comfortable. Right. And as of right now, I feel like Ben's going to be low level QB one at bests. He's still rubbing it. Really troubling making my mustache single. Yes. If w bro. That was pumped the Br pump the brakes on whatever you were doing right there. That was pump the brakes Reilly auto parts better price. Better parts, better prices every day. We're moving on. Major that make your most ashville still tting fill little frightening. We're going to go through here. Our special segment for this Halloween is we wanted to break down. These rosters in the NFL right now. And look at one player that we believe will haunt fantasy owners for the remainder of the fantasy sees in whichever way that they're gonna look you can be haunted in a number of ways. Yeah. Right. You can be tempted to start a guy when you should set him. You could be, you know, expecting something from a player that you never get you could've gotten rid of a guy who's gonna haunt you. Because he's coming back into his own. So many opportunities to be haunted. I'm going with. I think it's Russell Wilson who are as we refer to him rose. Look the the math on Russell Wilson no longer adds up to fantasy success. And look he's he's the eighteenth best quarterback in football. Okay. He was drafted what two three right? Three three last year was her Russell Wilson average thirty six yards a game running the football giving you that nice baseline. He is averaging eleven yards a game. Poof goodbye. The baseline is gone. K? I looked at some more numbers with Russell Wilson. We've talked about, you know, Jason you mentioned like sometimes they hit these long bomb passes. And it just makes them more efficient Willeke has been more efficient in terms of touchdowns this year. But that scares me it does not make me feel better thirty four passing attempts to game last year. He's down to twenty six game this year, Doug Baldwin just came out and talked about the fact that looked their pathway to success in winning is on the ground. It's Chris Carson and Mike Davis. It's the Brian Schottenheimer haunts, your soul offense, and it. It's gonna hurt fantasy owners thirty four past the tips to game last year down to twenty six that's eight fewer per game. He throwing a touchdown every eleven passes this year last year, it was one per sixteen which is so he's saying do with the touchdowns, but his career average is one in every seventeen which means he's he's outperforming efficiency wise, his career touchdown totals. They want to run the. Football. A does not mean you're not going to get the bomb today. Vid. More are Tyler Lockett. But right now Russell walks in. Russell Wilson is functioning at an offense that doesn't want to throw the football as much does not wanna put him in a position to run the football himself. And he does not have Doug Baldwin healthy as a target monster. As a as a crutch for these situations. So to me we've seen enough this year to tell me that if you go throw the name out there for the namesake, you're in trouble. If you throw it out in a good matchup. Maybe that's a different story. Yeah. I agree that the the thing that is really spooky here is that mustache you his his my mustache. The the scary issue with Russell Wilson is in fact that they have changed to be a rushing team. He's not getting the opportunities. The only thing I'll point out on the hopeful side is we've seen him have a bad. I have seen. Bright several years and catch fire in the second half. And of course, he was you know, with a hobble Doug Baldwin. We hope he's getting healthier. But I would say the biggest piece. Dick's is of it's funny last year. You look still be good is what you're saying twenty first in the league in rushing attempts last season number one this year number one as a team as a t thirty more than the Rams, right? You see the Rams I feel like they they wanted to clock out over the last three quarters with girly but Seattle and over the last three games. Seattle's average thirty seven rushing attempts game. That's a lot. Yeah. That's a lot. So that's my that's my haunt. I think you're going to be haunted by the name because it's just a big name expect more things speaking of rushing and big names the running back position. Well, I am personally going to be haunt Jared Goff by Adrian Peterson. And here's why the real deficiencies hundred by Jared. I am haunted by Adrian Peterson. Because I did not believe my sees. Long rankings will be haunted by Adrian Peterson. Because he was very low my dynasty team that I tried and tried and tried and tried today to trade for Adrian Peterson was not able use watched. I did because I feel like in a dynasty. I was hoping you could buy cheap as an elderly gentleman. And I believe that the rest of the season Adrian Peterson is going to be one of two things injured in which case he's going to haunt you or an Rb one. We've wow, do you know that so far on the season? Adrian Peterson is currently on pace for an astounding one thousand six hundred eighty seven all purpose yards with double digit touchdowns. And we're halfway through the season. He has been great. He has done it back to back to back weeks with massive carry counts. The Washington Redskin. Are leading the division. And it's not on the back of Alex Smith. It's on the sturdy shoulders Adrian Peterson for under two hundred yards in Washington is fourth. And they league in rushing attempts per game. I this this is a question where it's not who who's going to haunt you. This is who's gonna haunt me? Adrian Peterson is haunting me right now and maybe in this Holloway hall holiday seasons. Halloween season the Halloween and holiday kind of merge there became a Holloway. Well, that's the thing is that I was leading toward back to you as the fantasy reaper thing. And maybe maybe it could be rescued by the reaper because I feel like. Dr Adrian Peterson will haunt my season. Wow. Well, well, you know. He look he he wants to prove everybody wrong. Right generational guy that you know, when you've got Emmett Smith type of player, the not just like, oh, he's really great. But this is truly one of the running backs of the era. You know, Adrian Peter's they can play into their later years. I've seen it with other guys like this. And he's clearly shown it. No, it's time for my aunt. You may have moved on to soon. Wow. Can't he go today? Rich. Oh. Sang's man, wait. So you're heat soon up. You're a fan of golden Jones, and they're going to haunt owners. Let them go. Yes. I get it. You're probably quaking in your boots the past two weeks when he saw a combined three targets for three receptions. I don't blame you things. We're not looking splendid for kindergarten. But now golden Tate is gone. We talked about it. Twenty seven percent of the passes for Matthew Stafford are up for grabs. Matt Stafford is on pace for for forty four hundred yards and thirty two touchdowns in the first few weeks before kindergarten. They had vanished. He was averaging over five or sections of game over eighty receiving yards. A game about a half a touchtone last year Marvin Jones was a wide receiver one with over eleven hundred yards. Golden tate. Last year ninety receptions over thousand yards mean, it's it is happening. It is going to happen for Kennedy and Marvin Jones, I think both are locked into that wide receiver to who's gonna be the huge beneficiary every single week. I think that will go back and forth. But now there is not that third option to take away from Jones and golladay. They are a passing team. I know the attempts had kind of come down a little bit. When Carrie Johnson was having massive success Johnson's also a huge. Yeah. He's added faster for from gold take going away. But I am so pumped for the sex, man. Kenny G and for Marvin Jones moving forward if you moved on. I'm gonna haunt you. It's going to haunt you. I'm sorry. We all we've all had these things happen. You trade a player. And then a situation improves overnight anywheres fantasy literally in the middle yesterday of trying to trade either. Doug Baltimore of jobs going back and forth on a dynasty league. In almost traded away. Way Marvin Jones seconds before that trade Baldwin with Baldwin here. Head a trade earlier last week where I was moving some pieces to try and get Brandin cooks to stack my starting roster. And I was offering the other team either Geronimo or Marvin Jones, you can grab whichever one you want. I don't care. They took Toronto marva Joe's on my band on Mike from the bench right to my flex, man doubt. No doubt. And look that's a huge target share. I'm with you. Would you rather have Kenny golladay or Cortlandt Sutton rest of See's candy golladay and that where I'm out? I love Sutton. But this is Matthew Stafford's pacing for forty four hundred yards. Thirty two touchdowns doing his thing. Yes. It's for Sutton. It's just a projection for kindergarten. We already have seen exactly what he can be if he's getting opportunity, and he's gonna get it. Yeah. It's gonna be fun to watch. It's neat to see. A couple of those situations. Breed opportunity for the younger guy. Right and Ken, Kenny golladay get a chance to flash what I think is elite level size and ability for both players. So let's get into the Thursday night preview. Thursday night breakdown. Now. Coach coach listen you got like this Thursday night matchup. You've got a one in sixteen one in seventeen you've been there. Look if I may say word, you may I know Gruden you're on a long term contract. I know Shanahan the people there, they they like you. But I can promise you my record would be better than this. If you want to improve by at least seven victories over your one win and no more. Look to me. All right. The raiders. It's a good point. I mean, Kyle Santa hence, he's you off the hook entirely this. He's flying under the radar of being having a legit bad. Record do take over new franchise as a head coach for the first time I need to get rid of that starting quarterback. I mean, like just by me an extra year and a half. Like he's had of of like he gets to really hone his head coaching skills without any Warri of you know, he he can't everybody loves him. It's not his fault. But it isn't. I'm one of those. I love him. But when you when you lose your starting running back and you're starting quarterback, and you have the injuries that they've had you get a free pass. And when he was hired John Lynch that was the perspective. It was like this is a multi year Bill. Sure just seeing I mean one in seven though. Games without Jimmy Garoppolo as quarterback. He's one. He's won a game. Yeah. That's because he hasn't had anybody. Look at CJ Beth thirty not even have him in this Thursday night game is questionable the next two up on the depth chart. Our Nick Mullins, this is where you say who. Yeah. Or Tom savage. That's where I was looking. We get some, Tom savage. I mean, and then you got that Breda in this matchup. Look Matt Breda in George Kibble are the only two that I'm glancing at for the San Francisco Giants playing Kittle he's gonna so Cup targets. But it hurts. Kill Beth is not out there. Yes. I would also be willing to look at Goodwin Goodwin. Had a breakway, touch and always has that ability and the raiders defense. They don't have anybody over there. That's going to really scare me. Now, this is dependent upon CJ Beathard being the quarterback CJ Beathard has been able to air it out. Throws a pretty accurate deep ball. So if CJ Beathard is in that, I'm okay flexing on a BI week up. You know, the by Pakalitha a Goodwin type Goodwin. Scored a touchdown every other week. Oh, no. He scored last week. Continue that's gonna guy every other week. And then look the forty Niners are third third. Most rushing yards in the league. Matt Brita was out there for sixteen totes last week. And he's facing an Oakland Raiders defense that is twenty eight in the league in terms of fantasy points allowed to the running back position. And if Beth 'Red whether he's out there or not they're going to lean on the running game. Can you breathe you can play? Right. That's what I was gonna ask is the matchup is UC. Matt Brita is is actually good. But he goes down every single week. Yeah. Any you saw the hit the hit points depleting rapidly with every single carry this past week. Yes. But every single running back in the league can go down if you have to play map Brita. He's he's close to a must start this week is how I view him much better than a most Sturt most Sturt, you may end up may end up as the Colonel on the bench with the clipboard. Correct. And look the only thing that I'd like to see from Breda. He hasn't caught a pass three weeks. It's got one pass in the last four weeks. And I know he's been in and out of the lineup bizarre for bathroom. But no pass catches from Breda last week, though, a number of carries and all indications are that he's okay raiders gave up forty two fantasy points to the colts our BBC last week. So there's an opportunity there on the other side of the ball. Jason you talked about streaming Derek Carr. It looks pretty nice. I mean, the forty Niners defense is twenty fifth in the league in terms of fancy points allowed. Since the quarterback position. Carla good last week. Doug, Martin generous chard I think you can start both of those guys if I had to pick one this week. It would actually be cramps. Oh, no holiday spirit is coming for your children on Christmas. Gobble, gobble on eat them. Because this isn't a game that I expect the raiders to be trailing in need to throw the ball is quite as much in the Czech down situation where I think Jalen restart excels. I'm totally fine starting restart. He'll get five or six receptions. I just don't think it's one of those where you know, like last week the colts got out to a good start. And then you you've got to be passing a little bit more. I do still obviously like their car. He was my streamer of the week. I think Beth third being out. There is gonna help both sides because you wanna competitive game retards not catching eight passes if the raiders defense scores on Nick Mullins. Tom savage, agreed of savage is the quarterback, then their car becomes much less of a desired streaming candidate. Because while he could still get off to a good start against this forty Niners defense, he won't have to end. It'll be moly. It'd be Mullins by the way. I mean, if if Beth RDS out it'll be more question if you're gonna play if you're gonna stream the Oakland defense, they are not getting the quarterback there. The fewest sacks in the league. They are allowing the second most points per game in the league thirty one points. Oakland's defense against this guy that you've known that the vast majority of our audience is never heard of are you interested? I am not and Jason you can speak for your own perspective. I looked into this earlier today. I'm not interested. They have not done. Look most defenses have had in opportunistic game or two here. They're look at for example, look at the colts against the Buffalo Bills. The colts defense was just an absolute trash bag. Then you put the right match up in front of him in their top scoring defense of the week. It's worked both directions. Though, the bears were the best defense in football. And they face Brock Osweiler and ended up in a in a bad situation. So what I I wanna I wanna put myself in the best position to put pallet matched up with matchup. And if you can't do it outside of Oakland. Okay. Then you're stuck. But if you can I'm not looking at it like, it's a guarantee. Right. They're going to run the football. They've been five carry on the ground. Oakland stinks defending the run. It doesn't mean for the forty Niners can't win this. Game because Oakland, thanks. Yeah. I'm not all that interested as well. When you look at the season totals of what the forty Niners giving up DST's. It looks great. They're one of the worst out there. But most they've had a couple monster games where they've given up a ton of points. It's really skyrocketing them to look like a terrible team and those were against the Los Angeles Rams the Minnesota Vikings and the cardinals all three have decent defenses. I'm hoping that maybe the hometown cardinals can dress up as a real NFL team the rest of the oh that'd be such a rally for Halloween treat, right? But that is it there on by. Yeah. Making the they're not gonna lose strip. There's no chance. So hope you enjoyed the show. And if you're not listening or watching I should say on YouTube, you might want to check it out. Jason looks real special today. Jason's not here. Yeah. 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This is an ABC podcast. That we'd groaning knocking sound that. You're hearing is coming from within gigantic lyceum. Glitzy that sits on top of volcano in the southeast of Iceland. These sounds captured by Chris Watson Chris's sound recordist. He travels out into wild places all over the globe. Chris worked with David Attenborough for more than twenty years recording, the sounds of creatures and the places they live in cheetahs vultures, ants and caterpillars so we can hear these animals up close and live in their world just for amendments. And when you really listen to these sig world's review, all kinds of things to you. I take you right out of your diet tonight life, Chris what's brings these rich soundscape two movies to music projects to galleries and even children's hospital Hella, Chris mcmctwo, you Hello to shoot Goodson via. How did you recall that she recalled the sound of glycemic knocking that we could not with conventional microphones? But with something called a hydrophone, which is underwater microphone, and I was working on a it was actually a travel, Phil. Project many years ago. Now, we went to on on snowmobiles to the summit of New York lice, and we stayed overnight in a mountain rescue hurt Kirk fell. So we with some scientists and the morning it was it was in June. And it's it snowed. The little bit the night before I remember walking out with this glaciologist scientists, and he bent down and picked up some fresh known squeezed it and his hands. And so in crushed into ice and dropped. And he said this the ice this forming today here will start a journey down the near code lyceum. And he said we're going down to other glacier carves to the coast this afternoon said it might take his ninety minutes to drive down. There said that piece of is is going to make the same journey, but he's going to take ten thousand years. It's amazing the crevasses because it was some of the cracks in the Glazer all all around. Founders really wasn't dangerous, but the small Craig's are as mobile river of is it seems motionless and silence to us, but dropped one of my hydrophones down the crevasse. So it's rather like a contact microphone only picks up sound with things that such it so Lois hydrophone phone down and left it there for Cup. The couple of days we up there and kept kept recoding. And slowly, I could get the sense of this fractional movement millimeter day of of this of this glacier, and that sort produces those cracking and groaning sounds fractional shift of creaking of the glacier as it starts his journey. I've been to that point where the glycemic does carve off into the south coast and into the North Atlantic, and you get into the immensity of the glycemic, and you do that. But also since that, the landscape is in this constant status. Slow moving disruption is that what you've captured. Yes is. It's not movement, and in fights, no Yuccas Saal, and the other end were that you were you've been I was there last summer. Actually, what happens there the great pieces of ice after their ten thousand year journey break often carve into the blue lagoon and then start to mount because they make some merge with the brackish water that comes in from from the sea. And so then use Mahindra phones in sort of salty brackish water with the icebergs in. What God was this delightful? Snap crackle and pop of the ice melting from underneath an another glaciologist who with said, you know, the exciting thing that they only recently discovered is when the I smells it releases air and that as being trapped for ten thousand years, so he's going back into the environment. And what they're doing is actually using. Measuring putting the ice in a vacuum in Alabama trae, and as it melts it releases this ancient as so they can allies what the atmosphere was like ten thousand years ago. I've taken that from a track from an album of yours. That's called weather reports different three different Sandton land landscape, sound scopes, different places. What does it do to you? When you listen to that in a darkened room, Beckett home. Well, she no I'm going to say it's like the best the best radio. It stimulates your imagination is where I work. Lots of the BBC an have cliche. Don't if you have it down here ABC. Everybody says you radios better than television because the pictures are better, absolutely. You know, you just you so set the scene and an eye. So I like listening to my own material. It's just it just really FIS your imagination, and I just I just love it. No pitches could ever catch the immensity that glycemic, but the sound can often you I mean in that that recoding here this pulse, which almost lightness of harby this this motion of this. And it sounds like an animal as well. To to my is it's not this piece of is this motion listened silence. And and benign is this almost like a creature has a life and the jurisdiction where does this fascination with recorded sound begin you right from the start Chris probably when when I was in my early teens. I think something I might being twelve thirteen fourteen. My parents biking Sheffield were where I was born grew up bought me a small portable reel to reel. Tate Recode national reel to reel tape recorder, which still got Michelle from a studio. And so this this hard little spools on an a microphone on a meter cable sells an ass for this gift. And and it was my birthday or Christmas explode the house record, my MoMA recorded, the doors creaking Dowd moving around the house and the the taps in the toilet and the bathroom, and then we had in our by garden, we had a bird table, and we'd had this actually quite flashy. Double-glazed this is in the nineteen sixties the still glaze unit. Put in the kitchen that moment always wanted. And so it framed the bird table in the back garden, and I don't know where it came from. But how the idea that looking out from the kitchen to the table and seeing the birds feeding on the table, we it was really interesting engaging. But he's like silent film. And just wanted to know what it sounded like an realize this little tight because at batteries in it so run outside some bird food and frightened all the birds often pull the seed in the bread out, but my little microphone on the table set the record go, and then ran back in the house and watched and the Robbins and the black birds and the blue tits and the Thrashers came back and start feeding and could see the wheels going around on this little Recode, so exciting and then the chat run out. So I ran back out and frightened all the beds off again. And then brought this this tape bike an I mean, a light to think I can remember that moment. Plano sounds bike and being taken to a world where we can never be this magical world because our presence would changes the behavior, and I could hear in fine detail all these conversations that these birds were having an realized it wasn't a silent world, it was this magical place where it was very sound ridge. And that. Really was was the moment was the radio wanted. Hon? A lot when you're a kid. Yeah. We had it was actually I mean, my parents particularly musical, but we had one of those so for radio Graham, which was on these large pieces of wood furniture, which had a record player and a big radio in. It's a whole shells for vinyl records. So we use that low transistor radio. So yeah. So to chew it. And it was only an only child. To do it. Then of course, as soon as I had this record. Then I became interested in the radio and sounds around in Saskatoon into my virement. Moore's well, certainly you're growing up in a working class family and Sheffield was there an expectation you gotta work at mill steel mill. Well, Sheffield steel city and so in in the nineteen sixties early seventies provided huge employment in the mass production of steel, but also the the more limited production of fine steals, surgical steals. And so it was a great prospects for employment. I think was significance. And so we had school trips. These the idea of going to see somewhere in industry way may work. And I remember vividly being taken into one of the steelworks and show round of thinking. This is just a few of hell, you know, it was molten metals sparks and steam and intense noise very productive environment. But just one the a really didn't want to share or enter into what have you an idea? You could do something that you loved stayed. We had a respond the Sheffield Darbyshire the countryside. Parents would walk in Darbyshire. Certain. So remember going on these family wars sometimes being dragged out the weekends? But then gradually becoming more interested in not to the point actually started taking a little tight Recode with recording sounds are heard on the Molins skylark and the players in the lapwings, and I really liked not sense of of moving sound moving it from one place to the other starting to watch films on on the BBC natural history and thinking, you know, not something I'm really interested in the sound and the lack of sound in those films that something could make a contribution to we will grown up now with David Edward documentaries in your approach to this kind of hearing the natural world up close. I'm trying to remember what they were like those documentaries before that approach was taken was like Hanau was Bumblebee about these business Z, Paul nights. Did with the music behind it or something rather than the sounds of the natural will up -solutely. Well, Saturday Richard was still plagued without most natural history. Films a swamps in the most atrocious inappropriate music. I mean, I fought a single person losing battle of last twenty years. My only allies actually David in many respects, because of course, he started as a San Recode his so he knew the importance of location sounds violence of tell me how you and your friends mucking around. With sounds ended up forming a really crucial banned from the seventies to the very early. Cabaret Voltaire are mimic cab rival great. Greg time. I again with with this tape recorder. I was interested in the became interested in the creative potential of. So not just having a tape recorder. Recording sounds and playing them back, but being able to manipulate the sounds coutries tape those of a certain age might will remember it. It was very sculptural. So he could cut and splice the tape. You could speed up you could play backwards. You could manipulate an you're in touch with. It wasn't just on the computer screen. He could handle the tape. It was very physical elements are fascinated by and then came across this book. I actually don't remember where where I got it from cold composing with tight Recode 'as by this Chapman's herons Dwyer. This must've been so nineteen seventy seventy two and I couldn't believe it. You know, grownups manipulating sound and playing it back in making music from it. So that again opened some more. Potential to me. And I discovered the work of in France. There's a group of people way back in the nineteen forties who are interested in electronic music, and also using sound recordings of manipulating them. And they created the style of music making music concrete, which you sounds of the natural world and sounds of any environment urban environments, manipulating amazing up and making a collage of sounds making into music. So kinda real sounds. We using behind the recordings of cabaret Voltaire. I was using all sorts of sound cabriolets. I was drawing some some from the natural world, but those were from other radio and television programs. I was interested in those American writer co William Burroughs interested in his work with using cutter with changing the meaning of things so fascinated by that and the the power and the humor any so I was capturing all sorts of sound to be honest. And then weaving the men into the music h-how. Ever ah thought they might be appropriate. To sounds from the natural world have all the the mechanical will have a mood to them. You can then take and bring to music, I think is this music all around us. I mean, particularly the natural world, I'm convinced all music as volved from the sound of the natural world from people who've listened to it. And then maybe try mimic it, and now are movements of people who work with urban environmental sounds in the same way, I'm used just go back to listening to that. Glacier. You know, it's not a happy lighthearted sound is as you described as a mood as a character depth to the struggle tension as of 'Sensitive elemental now, which I mean, like the sound of the winter example by not just the other day. Now's recording down in Tasmania that how it can very quickly change your mood. How the the sound of the winds change and everybody will be familiar with that. Compensation with the naturalist about how when you live in a country, like a straight arrow your life in you, leave to go to visiting Lynn for the first time, which is happened to me in my twenties. I was taken into the countryside. And it sounded like I think the countryside ought to sound, but it was a little unsettling and the reason why because it didn't sound like the countryside. I'd grown up in the bird song was different didn't smell of eucalyptus it s-. It just didn't sound quite right. Maybe you've had that feeling in Australia to Bobby lighting because you're not in your usual, the usual sounds of your natural world and not surrounding. Well, that's what love about E. Absolutely, right. I was in mount field national park Tasmania and just sucking up. The sounds just the sofa crested cockatoos galahs. We we should be familiar to everybody, of course. But to me, they're exotic strange sounds and left it, you know, even when the sounds of the wind through the through those great swamp gum trees, huge trees. They're very characteristic. Signature sound. There is no place on earth. That sounds like that forest. The other thing about it. You have to go and experience it cabaret Voltaire the Benue assigned to the same label factory is joy division. One of absolute key bands of light seventies early eighties. They finished in nineteen ninety two the death of Curtis, but the their phones continued on after the memories of touring within particular gigs. You did with joy division. Yes. Because we were we were young. We were so similar as we hung out together. What was crucial? We were both even though from different sides of the pen is we're from the north. And there was certainly as there is now there was then cultural divide between the north and south of England. So we would you like to scientific Sherie Manchester based label Tony Wilson running it and joy division, baron on the same label run the same. We're on the first record with them, and we got invited to to Belgium. So is very exotic. You know, we got to travel. Abroad to they owed sugar beet factory. Call the plan car just on the outside scarce of of Brussels. And it was like this can only imagine it must have been similar to the nineteen sixties Andy Warhol's happenings at the factory New York exploding plastic inevitable yet. Absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Like with music and performance of Phil Phil projected of your help of it. So this thing was on sugar fight factory and it was on several flows. So the floor above us. William Burroughs was giving readings from his books. Brian Geiss in these contemporary filmmakers than we play downstairs with joy division, and those a whole weekend of this. And it was absolutely great under the couple of the dates of them in Eindhoven, traveling in the back of a furniture van is it was the cheapest thing we could rent. How did the death of your friend in the singing of joy division, affect your view of that whole scene? It was awful. Of course, it was dreadful. And now with hindsight is easier to talk about because it some terrible, terrible events and slowly changed my view. We were we were up to mystic we're eager in the band, joy division, worm. We're loved what we did. And we getting some we, you know, we, you know, we're doing interesting things that we get the selling records with play an also soured. Fa may after an assault south seem a bit pointless. And then it came to a head when we were invited actually productivity. It's top of the pops. It's BBC to music programs being running decades because we ever Voltaire were invited the top of the rookie wall. No, we were invited as guests. His new order were play. Saying there was a group called soft cell who had a number one hit with tainted love, and they were Dave baltim- soft sell it been in our studio in Sheffield. And so they said look come down. You know, we've got ghastly. So we came down. And I was in this world, this television, world music and realized really this is the last place. I'd have a working book as well by George Melly, the jazz musician coal revolt into style. It's a powerful piece. Yeah. So really that was it felt just didn't want to just disappear in besoin load by that got more interesting exciting things I wanted to explore myself. And that was with sound. Yeah. I think you're right. Maybe you there. Just right at that moments. When there was an intersection of creativity and brilliance and acceptance all at the same time, but that's moments very, very fleeting out there. And you have to get out maybe at the right moment. Yeah. Because it didn't realize the time, you know, he says always hindsight, you think about because at the time, it's you know. I mean, I was I was driven with the passion with what you to work creatively with sound. And I didn't see the music industries being interested in, you know, they don't want people who are interested in experimenting with things they want to formula, which they can make money from. So that puts you into the world of natural history. Working for time taste television. The north of England you mentioning before the problems there that were with the sound with natural history up until that point we weren't really hearing anything really of these which is how did you start to approach this issue of of recording creatures and environments close that will having access to television working on television programs and training, you know, in the training and the level of equipment that they had in the expertise. It was all around me. It was fantastic training ground, practical work. So I was going out at weekends borrowing. Equipment from television station and recording nothin blend in the Scottish borders with increasingly sophisticated equipment at in particular. If you watch. If you watch television tonight, you see news readers men and women with what to call personal microphones on lapels. Hell monks? Yeah. They're not made for any sound quality reason the made to be discreet. So you have a microphone close to somebody in vision. And it's not that office. And so suddenly thought it's actually quite hard to get microphones close to birds and other animals, so thought maybe these tiny microphones, I could hide them close to things or singing or calling and get close that way because started working with with camera people just Evans's one. And she could we go out to east Africa, the Masai Mara and Justin could sit in her Toyota landcruiser fill the frame with animals head from fifty sixty meters away with a fifty thousand pound telephoto lens, the rich. No is you know, Richard. There is no audio equivalents of. I'm just trying to mention you standing a couple of meters away from a cheater with a Bouma. Just trying to see the roof on the roof of it. With the Mike for doing that you are doing that. Yeah. Yeah. So then experimented with this technique of planting microphones, and then running along cables back something still do now doing it yesterday. And that very simple technique junior. Long cable in my Cronin, close was actually really successful it series. This can you get a lapel moc on a tiger or that kind of a creature? No, nothing that moves from recoding. Tigers look at the behavior and watch where they go and then our plant microphones as many times for lions in bushes out of tiger jumping byte range, and then just spend longtime listening and recording fishing for sound in a love it David Attenborough brought you into his orbit we began working with him as he sound recordist on a David Admiral shoot how much is discovery and how much planned that taking a film crew around the world is very expensive operation and so. This quite often two years of planning before we go out and turn the camera. Overall, turn the recorder on so they're meticulously researched. Because normally it's very specific bits of behavior. We don't just go out euless nice day. Let's see we can fill the research is key to the success of of the work. So then there's roughly a story board drawn out not script. I mean animals tend not to read the. Storyboards based around the behavior or habits up. And then we go out and targeted the potentially what the optimum time is. So for instance, we wouldn't go out. Coach Australia in June and try and record birdsong. You know? So you target the seasons in the behavior. So then we go out and the some leeway in terms of the time that were there, but normally not much. So you got to hell of a lot of whiting the list show, the putting out a mic hidden in a Bush somewhere, and then you trial really long leads out to the van or wherever it is. You're sitting. Yeah. Probably not even a van. Is it first time, I suppose tend to hide canvas height. Sometimes. Yeah. Oh beyond a tree because yesterday. Try to disguise myself. And then you just sit there with headphones on and white. Yes, not waiting. I is funny that I really engaged with what's listening to. And I thought to describe what is don't regard it as waiting can't book out or do something Alison, very focused, and has that effect the passage of time don't notice it just. You have something to eat and drink with me and am aware of daylight so doctors, but I'm really focused on on. What might or might not happen? Hetty discount your marks when you're in the field. Well, the very small. I mean, the lesson the centimeter so sometimes I cover them in in this green like a scrim camouflage scrim sometimes the most challenging thing. Sometimes is the sense. After a void human scent. So's recording elephants in Zimbabwe a couple of years ago out to rub elephant PU the microphone things one dies. To disguise human scent. That's the hardest thing I could smell your what your handle on the Lutely. Yeah. Well, most animals when we stumble around in the Bush and most unim- go far better sense of smell hearing and vision than we have. So when you're recording these creatures out in the wild with all this complex gear that you've got strung out on lines any of you gave come to grief with with some of these animals. Sadly, yes. I've heard a few things eaten over time. The challenge. If you put much money at the time, but. Paid for it. Challenging insurance claim. You have to put microphones and cables in harm's way. If you want to get close together results, and we'll one in particular recoding white-tailed eagles in Scotland in the Scottish highlands. They're protected species shed, you'll one protected species. So criminal offense to disturb them when they're the nest. So I went out with a warden who is licensed puts a mic very expensive microphone alongside the eagle's nest? But then how to run six hundred meters of cable bike to my quit because I couldn't be anywhere near the Nash. Should he stir them was going really, well, I was going for was every day recording. The sounds of the cheek the young bird being fed and his vocal development and came by more morning plug. My microphone flip look the recurred in and listened what I heard was the English service of radio Moscow. Is the sheep that eat bitten through the middle of the cable through this to okay, very expensive cable, and that was wiped out the rest of the session. Why were you getting ready Moscow? Well, because the technical area was it just turn the 'cause they bike capable of being severed turned into a huge shortwave. I have to ask given the shape is in a field surrounded by things at likes to eight. What does it want to wait, you know? Well, some plastic metal as well. In Namibia was good. He mic my least favorite while down. And I was calling the cable out, and that's how I was doing it these ground. Squirrels came out to the boroughs, and they were eating the cable laying out. Bantu not caught quickly as well. On ABC radio. This is conversations with Richard Fidler podcast broadcast and online. Subscribe to our free podcast details on website, ABC dot net dot AU slash conversations. When you knew you. We're going to be going to Africa to record vultures for series. Big cat diaries. How did you prepare for that new wants to get close up detail of their behavior? A near the best way to do it with these little personal microphones. And so this was just Christmas time. And so we five home three kids my game. My wife myself we had paid Christmas Turkey. So how'd they dare of of experimenting with these little microphone? So went out with the kids put these two personal microphones in the chest. Cavity of the remains of this Turkey carcass and staked out with ten pace. I didn't much being dragged around and then ran the cable by kids lived in. Why did it through the? Hi fi in the back room at home. The so everybody could hear and we waited eventually the starlings came down and attacked this Turkey carcass, and just tore it to shreds so one hundred starlings, but the microphone safe inside this astonishing close up visceral track. Let's see how that translates to the sound of vultures consuming. Zebra Cox in Africa. That sounds like my worst nightmare. What exactly is going on? When we got out to the messiah we've found this caucus, and I. An before daylight, and we were hoping Vilchez would come down. And so fixed too personal microphones with cable ties to the rip cage of this unfortunate animal, very Catholic with cable ties, then run buried the cable about fifty sixty Mehta's back to vehicle, and we waited and waited and waited and waited and waited four or five hours the vultures eventually saw this caucus and the very small animals. The knew there was something not quite right about it. And it took them another couple of hours and these lap advice vultures slowly spiral down popped up near the caucus and eventually the Hunga overcame them. And they just piled on top of the carcass a around my microphones, and I got that super close recoding. So those tapping that's the that's the vulture bakes tapping on the bone, breaking the bones. And what a really like is that the Hess? Really so upset the hissing to the to the partners the animal beside them. And you really get that sense. What we're talking about earlier, you don't need picture without you know, because you'll now forever. How impressed the sound of those bills? You'll have an image. Got an image of myself as kind of a a five centimeter human being standing in the middle of zebra carcass with John vouches picking all around me because that's that's happening in stereo. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really powerful that saw then of us check Nikon on a few of the things lost so much rose to heighten as results of that. But. Got some really close powerful stuff. And what happens when you play something like that to kids used to get a twin boys among they were Alex Lewis? Another seven eight are used to get invited to the school to say, the teachers actress just come in and play some stuff way being tell some stories imply some trikes so took that recoding back and sat them down on the flow and got teaches to draw the blinds and tell them this story set the recoding up and then sit right? Any of you ever get eaten alive by fold shows? This'll be the last thing. Just loved it. Was his brow and the world listen to fight for five times. Then of course, the all wants to be cultures complete other pulp. So you invited back now is the last time. Africa. Again, tell me how you catch it of elephants at rest as much ical time. I was working on a project about the lives of animals nights in the Maasai Mara is a bit like a stray Leah lots of animals and nocturnal because of the of the heat of the day, and we followed this herd of elephants through the day and then through the night, and it's the first time ever seen elephants. Go to sleep. Maybe don't think, you know, the sometimes the stand up and rest, but this heard too in the mornings moonlit nights in the Masai Mara slowly led by the matriarch, so boss female of the hood into this area of short grass because we're baggage and then slowly one by one the pass pastel vehicle, and we didn't have any lie. So me, not vision goggles. So we could see very clearly what was happening and I was on the roof with a microphone appel. I mean, it's fine to set you what you don't do ever. Get out of the vehicle. The who watch having a giant 'em over your head. So I was on the roof. The camera was inside and these animals came around as a just a few meters in front of us one by one onto the knees. And then just rolled over on just went to sleep. It was the most much ical experience. And then instead of the powerful infrasonic rumbles that you normally associate with elephants in the trumpets. Was this incredible long form rhythm almost like waves on the beach of elephants breathing. This is oddly, soothing, my Chris, the sound of the the reading the soft reading the elephants underneath all that jumbled. Yeah. It says it's one of my favorite trikes again, again one that when you disconnect that you have to be alert because not times time of predators lions, hyenas leopards cheetahs. And so. You're but then listening back in the studio how them. Becomes transforming. It's really also shocking. What a record is what else? What else are? We hearing there at night jaws clicking pulsing this huge. Just all of insight sound. I didn't think it should I can share with. You was the when they started farting. Two hundred kilograms vegetation day. So you can imagine the end result of thought in this. The kind of gentle sweetness of of cycling. Inside campus. Just as a why? Then this record tiny creatures. What are some of the challenges in recording insects, for example? Well, it's interesting you asking about the background sound in the Masai Mara. And if you want to record some of those insects is a real challenge because of of everything else once a week is to do what we're doing now is two very close to the microphone. You can't hear anything else. Because my voice in your voice dominate not particular microphone so getting a microphone very close. Very very close isn't important thing to do. Sometimes super quiet, you need to temporarily remove on a most insects in particular from environment and put them in a place like radio studio this semester, beautifully quiet coup sickly treated, so you can recur them for a period, and then release them I've done that's a few times recording here of a Caterpillar you had to record in the studio, which which was doing something quite specific. Caterpillar got a symbiotic relationship with ants. What did you? Astonishing. I'm just I've not heard that for a long time. It really brought the the memory by it was. So this is the cats per of blue butterfly British fairly common butterfly and lays develop into caterpillars, and then would answer come along on the forest flow. Fine, these caterpillars and take them back to the nest, and you'd think that's the end of the Caterpillar, you know, the go back in the region, but the not remain in the nest, and then they cats have this hard organ inside them parts of the body, and they manipulate themselves to produce that strategy election is a mechanical vibration, so they move themselves shake themselves in such a fashion that they produce a sound internal which is bizarre enough that sound stimulates the ans- to feed the Caterpillar. So they don't harm the cats pill. They actually feed it and sustain and protect it from other things then eventually the cats Pilla hatches out. And because that's quite where did you actually have to recall well into right hero studio? Just like this in a shoebox and have to use a special again, we're working is a baby natural history productions so with willed expert scientists and so develop this thing called particle velocity microphone, she's actually microphone. They have to like it comes like microphone yet. We have to put the Caterpillar on the microphone capsule than to stop breathing. One point not to go through the side of the studio because it was so quiet. And then eventually the cats pillow started to make the sound to try to talk the tension of semantics, which we had never is. Well, so what kind of tiny sounds can you record that? What what animals have you recorded at that tiny latonya Tani level. I was asked to challenged to try to record. What's I thought? It was going to be the quietest thing recorded some ants walking on a leaf. That's also shoulder as yet you can record an footsteps using a contact microphone. It was amazing. Actually, I'll noise that. They are the one that failed to record. I was asked to record a snail moving on some glass, and I couldn't record it. There's nothing to record sadly. You've recorded all of the all of the world's all of them. This is Riyadh question different. Oceans sound different to. Yes. Of course, they do. They do. This debate with David that's a few times. Yeah. I was convinced I spent a lot of time on willow time weeks on the Galapagos islands recording Pacific surf it was for National Geographic series. So every show in the series has the oceans in the house. So I wanted to record very very many different tribes the aspects of it. Then actually, we ended up on lunch sake coast. And I noticed that. There was a definite trust me. Definite difference. There's this soft powerful smooth sound of Pacific of and this much more nasal shop sounds of that lunch. I mean, this is to my is, you know. And so David this debate about on apply. No from somebody. So the end of CD of the of the to to try and convince. I think there is a different sound experts. You have to win that one yesterday. Just accept your your your your did you record short records show lines as well. What what is it? Do you think about the sound of wives and currents that makes humans love that sound? I think if if we're asked to think of sound that's trying crow or relaxing, lots of will say waves on the beach show win through the win through leaves. I think is very richly harmonic. It's one of the things we're listen for when we're engaging with any of sound of music will to the harmonic concept, and I think maybe that harks back to the way we very I heard the world we are hearing develops as I understand it when we're sixteen weeks old mother's womb. So of course, we hear the world until born through a fluid through a liquid and so we used to that sound environments, and and the the the changes that the fluid makes to sound. And so we're familiar with richly harmonic, not very dynamic, and by that's not very very quiet, but it's not very loud. And it's been proved when babies here very loud sounds in the will actually try and move away. But they migrate the move towards. They soft originally harmonic sounds. So I think, you know, I mean, I'm no psychologist, but you know. Perhaps seeking tranquility or relaxing sounds what we're doing is seeking a way of hearing the world as we heard it before we will bone. It's no better place in the world for Mito book than on a bait. And I I suspect one of the reasons why is because the sound of rolling sift creates this rolling. What noise? That's that that that blocks out everything else, it sort of dampens all other other noises that when you think about it so much of the world, humans credit is to get your attention. The Santa car horns, traffic traffic lights ads and music kind of fought fear attention, and when you're on the beach, it just blocks all that out it mothers that with watt, nor isn't. So suddenly the mind then you feel calm again. What do you think about my theory? Absolutely. Right. Shitty. Bang on what's important, and you put your finger on many clicks, a Picasso sound is then very distracting us. Why we do it? We want to attract attention. And so though sounds car horns. All the things you were describing because of. Sharp envelope. So they're on their author quickly attracts our attention. Not only do the attract our attention. I distracted as well. So when you can listen to on the base when you reading a book, you can almost rest your mind on that patented lair of sound. Because he's relatively unchanging, and you can choose to listen to it or ignore it. But it's important that we have sounds while I was traveling around Austin recording sound for radio documentary series. I was doing what you were doing it much more ham. Fisted why going about it as best I could really trying to recall things like the sound of Ryan on grass in ostlund, the sound of walking through through grass, the sound of just a trickle of little strain, which you often find in a in a place like ostlund and anything that might be dislike humans more than this is trying to record natural the natural sounds. We've got a cog going past or someone shouting retract to starting up or something like that. What's your recording? The time is the will. But that us, isn't it? Yes. Value value, those places and shrinking environment. I mean, you have to say very very lucky here. No stroller because you have much less noise pollution, certainly the most. Places in Europe. And that's a precious thing. You know, we've come plants tranquility or silence once gone it's gone, and it's necessary. Just as you describe it's not some vague autistic Wim, we need those places sounds psychological health and wellbeing. So I really enjoy seeking places out, and then, you know, making working with them reproducing them correcting something from some of these fry supplies away. You can actually find parts of the world where you would be interrupted by human noise while you were recording sound full frozen planet documentary series. You were recording things called think Brian ical. Can you explain what a what a Brian ical is? And how you record such a thing Brian coz, I'll try and explain nothing about them till went to the KOMO staying at the McMurdo bicy- United sta- Science Foundation based on the see the sections in Australia summit when the. I starts to mouse. These patches of open water is quite shallow near the base of the lava betas, and then the salinity of the water changes, and the temperature changes difference depth. And they I then starts to percolate down from the surface to the seabed these three or four meters. It's not as I understand is in really deep water in the shallows and these fingers death strike down these icy fingers because when they hit the floor it freezes. Everything's kills the crustaceans and everything that's on the seafloor God. And these these these these nothing sell it, right? A thing. I don't actually think. Well, the some of them are quite thin, but I think that the solid fingers of ice right down. And they kill everything. I talked to freeze their literally freeze seabed and anything. That's almost see bad. This is over hours. It's not a frozen planet was speeded up. So you could. He could observe it. But in reality happens over a couple of days, and and the sounded Mike says it's sort of like broken is still exactly is of cracking. It's quite sinister of crackling almost like it. You can imagine. I mean, tentacles is very description everybody'll understand these things, but very slow moving, but killing everything in his path image of you, Chris as kind of a fisherman it sound. Yeah. Somebody goes fishing ministers. You spend all day, and you might catch a couple of fish, if you're lucky at the end of the day, but we see the fish you catch, of course. But really it's spending all week out there on the or in the jungle in the river trying to find these. Yeah. Although I in in the oceans, there's never a dull moment in that respect. I've never failed to Recode. Something have been using hydrophones like it. Is there a kind of lying prices that you used to create a rich sound environment? I think is really good analogy without one time to grand about between working with sound painting watercolors and oils where you create different shapes and cousin Patten's by Larry paint together. I think that's a very good analogy. I do the same with sound because lots of my work is he's not obstruct has a narrative because when I was trying to tease television films have linear narrative, and so I might lots of my sound work is linear. And it has a a narrative is just the pictures are in the in the listener's imagination. So in order to say, just as you had programs at your documentaries in Iceland. You you don't want you to draw attention to the ad is. And so you you want to make smooth inside guy from once once seen. To the next. So I use exactly the same techniques as you do radio and television, sometimes Larry ten twelve sound on top of each other and turning some protecting some down. So you create this passage of time because a lot of the time. I'm I'm reducing time. Juicing a ninety minute don't curse in woodland down to ten minutes. And so those the very Larry processes, very useful and to create a bad as well and atmosphere, publish you. Then build the characters that you want to work with Chris. I you sometimes surprised given that Ukraine working class leading shift field who was probably expected to work in the mill at some point steel mill how your curiosity in your enthusiasm carried you it's been such a privilege and pleasure wish. My parents were here bought Manatt tight, Recode them, really. And so, yeah, I mean, I don't don't really is work just so privilege you now to go to these places. I get to come here, you know, travel the world and Recode work with the sounds. I'm doing what I was full to eat. I'm still living at pleasure to speak with you, Chris. Thank you so much. Thanks. That's a recording of some birdsong forest in of fumbling quarterback, Chris what's the Khorasan twenty seven when he was in Australia. It's present a field recording masterclass with wad lab. Put a linked to Chris Watson's website on ABC net that I used conversations on Richard Fidler. Thanks for listening. Been listening to a podcast of conversations with Richard Fidler. For more conversations interviews, please go to the website. I they say dot net slash conversations. Discover more great ABC podcasts live radio and exclusive on the ABC. Listen up.