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Week's Best ('The Last Dance', Jordan + Pippen, Durant + Warriors, Belichick + Gronk)

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Week's Best ('The Last Dance', Jordan + Pippen, Durant + Warriors, Belichick + Gronk)

"Welcome to the weekend edition of the undisputed podcast on your host Johnny Taft. Today's podcast features all the best segments from this week sleet of undisputed with end up interviews and discussions. We have a lot to talk about heading into next week. Skip Shannon. Let's get to your trae young. Who has previously previously called Lebron? The goat and keep in mind wasn't even born when Michael Jordan hit that game winning shot in the one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Nba Finals tweeted this out yesterday. He said I feel like this documentary. GonNa make me put. Mj number one instead of number two. So Shihan how much will young people who did not really get a chance to watch Michael Jordan? Play live be swayed but what they saw last night and what. They will see from this documentary. I think some young people will be swayed. And that's what happens when we see documentary skipping for me. I happen to be a situation where I'm old enough to remember. Michael Jordan taking shot taking that shot at Carolina. Nine hundred eighty two and I remember him hitting a game winning shot and I remember him going to the wizards in the early two thousands. But if you didn't know about a player is going to sway you. If you didn't know just how good Michael Jordan was is probably gonNA sway scared. You know what being quarantined. I've had an opportunity and I watched a lot of documentaries in some of these documentaries I knew I knew about Sam. Cook and I knew about Miles Davis and I knew about some of these other guys but some of the guys like Lee Morgan. I'd never heard of and then you see the document and you're like what why we didn't talk about hill so you learn things that you didn't already know about Sam Cook. I knew Cook Insane but skip. I didn't know how he was into civil rights and I didn't know what made him taking how he felt about certain things about how he could perform and he was proud and he would stand up in the face of wide authority so for me skill. It doesn't change me for the simple fact is that I know what Michael Jordan was but I get an opportunity to see behind the scenes but I think also skill is that guys. Jillian gravitate towards guys in the era that they played against. And I think that's for me. I think Aaron Donald J. J. Watt and Khalil Mack in Bonn Miller. I think they're tremendous but there's no way Haley. Put them in front of not or Reggie White or bruce. I think some of these beat currently play. But they don't go in from the time they don't go in front of war. That's just because I played against those guys now these guys placed and they're hell the players not to take anything away from but I think for the young guys like a guy like trade skill. You don't remember one shot that might to that one. So He's getting an opportunity to see skill there. Been a Lotta guys. They could glide through the air a eligibility dumped the ball tops. Dr J. There's a lot of guys that had trick shots off the Glass Pete. Marriage of a lot of guys but nobody possessed the acrobatics. The Creativity Lacombe Jordan and the ability to score the basketball. That's what made him so unique he could score like will he had the acrobatics elevation of Dr J. But the creativity appeals to pete marriage. We never we had never seen a guy that had all that one package. And then you get the or. That's around him the Beatles or the Jackson's at their high. We've never seen anything like it before skipping. I think that's what some people in plus what's he got the logo the jump man you got. Nba NFL players wherein jump may include. We've never seen a guy that had that kind of crossover we've never. We've we've never seen that in here. Are David Bong till the store that he what Michael One decide what? Adidas where they want to give us about what you call it. A lie scare. Daddy WanNA call George like we'll give them a glow the land but we call it what they want to call it. Jordan Era George. Whatever it was because he played. He looked like he was. Elevate me like gravity. Didn't define him defied gravity so I think that's what's going to be everything that's around him and he was a damn great great great fifteen times generational great player. But it's all the things that went around. Jorde everything that we see scale because the table that they're eating from right now Michael Jordan said it you got it. Which is why soon after this doc ended last night. I tweeted say goodnight. Lebron and I meant to say good night to the goat debate because trae young call this even before he watched the dock. Yeah today he's GonNa be swept up in what? He saw the emotions that that got pulled from people last night as they saw what. Michael actually went through with that Little Scoundrel Jerry Krause and it made you feel for Michael and even elevated him to a higher pedestal that he was having to deal with that in that owner Jerry. Reinsdorf and I do think this is going to have supreme impact on younger people who like trae were not even born before nineteen ninety eight and I do think there is also supreme timing because Jordan has always been right place right time and obviously they moved up the release date of this doc. Because we're all stuck at home for the right reason but everybody was on fire last night to watch this almost like it was the equivalent of alive playoff event. Nfl NBA whatever. You want it to be. It's like a new lives thing. We could all react to win. We're all so starved. So Ravenous for anything live in the world realm of sports so I do think the kids are going to get caught up in this. And they're gonNA say wow. Because Steve Kerr said if you saw the footage from ninety eight he was asking France. What's unique about this team? And he says well we're unique because of Michael. Yeah that's why you gotTa Larry Bird in an updated interview Larry. Bird said Yeah after. He scored sixty three on us in game to the playoffs. They won in overtime. The Celtics a bird did perish. Mikhail India Bird said that was God disguised as Michael Jordan. Wow that's impactful. You could actually see the acrobatic athleticism the mid range jumper is on display. And you could see them in sequence and in context to the point that that I do believe kids will sit back and say man Lebron I. I don't know we're always prisoners of the moment. And I think this is prisoners of a time Nell that we all got to see from inside out the way I lived. It is the columnist for the Chicago Tribune and ninety eight and now the world got to see it. And I think it's GonNa make it harder on Lebron to make his goat case. I'm very intrigued. Lebron Response Nail. If he comes forward with his own I g live about. I don't know. Yep Yeah he might know we we. We got a documentary. Me And mad. We don't sit down and we don't discuss Later today we got some Brunette right now. Now Right now. We got a couple more championships. We don't win and put a lot of footage that we know that we're going to roll out. It probably won't be a ten part series is probably going to be like five or six but who knows you know we got to put brainstorm? You get all these heads in the room. Something they'll come together can't look in that era you know. That's magic and Kareem. Larry does a Lotta great guys. If give I believe they're gonNA tend to lean towards those guys it's Kinda like like if you're talking about a magician's now. People that grew up watching hair. Houdini goes to Harry. Houdini is the greatest magician ever. But these new as we're probably say Copperfield David Blaine look. I didn't see hair Houdini so but some of the things that I heard he was able to do as I say defies what someone should be able to do especially with you in a straight jacket handcuffed and all that other things but skill Michael with the shoot exactly skill Michael Michael with the endorsements everything you see what these players are doing. Currently Michael Built that foundation. So what they're standing on it because of the platform that that gap so skip even even if you don't believe it skipped that Man Thad me. He's the reason I'm getting two hundred million. He's the reason I got a shoe contract. He's the reason I can be moving to start. These are the platforms. He gave everybody the blueprint and everybody is beholden to that in. So skip it. I believe he's going to sway. Probably thirty percent of this younger generation. Like Yeah Yeah. We'll get in the first two episodes of Michael Jordan's the last dance. Documentary was just how Underpaid Scottie. Pippen really was heading into that. Nineteen Ninety seven ninety eight season. Even though pippen led the Bulls in several stat categories and. Michael Jordan said himself. They can't mention my name without mentioning Scottie. Pippen so Shannon. I WanNa ask you in your opinion how valuable was to Michael Jordan. We mentally valuable because you have to remember that. Join gas whipped and eighty seven by the Celtics which was Scottish quickey year. He got swept in eighty six. Which was Jordan said? The year and he lost three one two bucks in his first year in the playoffs. What Scottie Pippen allows Michael Jordan to do skill was focused on what he was great at argument? The greatest ever do it. Which score the basketball? Because PIP could assist the ball. Ega also because he was so long because he did it so effortlessly he could take the best scoring option B. A. Point Guard to guard three or four Scottie. Pippen with probably better defended than Michael Jordan. Scale for the simple fact he could guard more position he was taller. That wingspan was a problem for a lot of people. So He allowed Michael Jordan to be Michael Jordan. Michael didn't have to worry about the offense. Because Scottie Pippen was what we call the first one offered skill. He was unbelievable unbelievable at that he was buried. Well I would say he's the first lady bird with really burst point forward skill. He did it before. Scottie Pippen Scotty gets a lot of credit for I think he was very important to Michael. Michael said that can be Michael Jordan without mentioning Scottie. Pippen skipped he was not the elite score but he did all the other things so extremely well. Which allowed Michael to focus on score the basketball and Michael Deal so Donald Michael Jordan was asleep intervene because he was anything but that nine time first team all depends defensive player of the year. I think eight hundred eighty nine so that let's you know but skill pillow with as good a wing defender if that will ever have a will ever have and he'll allow Michael Jordan to escape to be free to just worry about score the basketball and not have so much only plate so I don't believe we could have had distorted the last dance with Scotty pippin because I don't believe ninety one to ninety three and ninety six through ninety eight half with Scottie. Pippen is not on that team. I'm just glad you corrected yourself. Trust me on this Scottie. Pippen was not a better defender than Michael. Jeffrey Jordan. Michael Jordan was the defensive player of the year and nine times as you point out first team all defense. He was extraordinarily. He was a game changer. On defense he was a disruptor. We saw him steal the ball from Carl Malone and that fateful game six of his final run in the last dance finals against Utah at Utah in. I WanNa make the point that Michael never campaigned. Go Get Scotty. Go Acquire Scotty. He just didn't care. It's not like Lebron campaigning. I need Anthony Davis or Lebron joining forces with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh erlabrunn saying Duan's knees are shot. I gotta go back. I got a join forces with Korean. Kevin Love Back in Cleveland for my second time around. It wasn't like that they did draft Scottie. Pippen and I was hard on Jerry Krause yesterday. I give him credit. He did draft him. I give him that and yet. Micheal wasn't clamoring for help he just sort of came up with Scotty and they grew up together in a way. Michael was a little bit older but but again Michael was the baby in those times. You bring up early on. And once he grew up he grew up and he had to put some pounds on some muscle on to be able to defeat the Pistons. Thanks to Tim Grover his trainer and yet once he grew up he grew completely up and win. In the end you could see Shannon. I was there in ninety. Eight Scotty was a very good player. But he wasn't an all time great player and yes. Michael said all the right things the other night in the documentary about how much Scotty meant to him because he did mean a lot to him he was his robin and he was an excellent. Robin but Scotty had no Batman in him whatsoever. Case in point remember the one year the one complete year that Michael was gone back in ninety three ninety four Scotty at a very good year he averaged twenty two nine and six and made the all star team and because there was no Jordan he got a number of votes for. Mvp finished third. That you're an MVP. But once they got to the second round of the playoffs you'll remember against the Knicks series. They lost in seven games in game three in Chicago. You remember what happened at the end of the Game Scottie Blunder where he was waving Kucova to set a screen and he let the shot clock get too deep and he shot it too late and the Buzzer went off and they had a clock violation and then once ewing scored the tied the score. Fill call timeout Phil Jackson and called the last play for Tony. Coup coach because coup coach was the closer for that team. It made four buzzer-beaters that year to win games would jump shots Scotty. Wasn't the Jordan replacement actually coach was and so when Phil called the last play with. Scotty inbounding Taku coach Scotty just waved out. He just couldn't take it anymore and went sat on the bench and wouldn't even go in the game. So Phil said okay. And he sent Pete Myers in to throw the ball and bounce Taku coach. Who then made the shot to win the game and then to cap this off. Look what happened after the last dance? Scott he was only thirty three years of age and he went to Houston and join mckean. Embar Charles Barkley. And they were pretty good but they lost in. Four Games to the Lakers in a best of five in the first round and Charles was Scotty was the third wheel on that team in points scored behind Akeem and behind Charles Barkley. Scottie goes to Portland for four more years than he. Averages eleven five and five in that first go round at Portland remember. They played the Lakers and played them. Great all the way to game seven and they were up seventy one to fifty eight wounded the fourth quarter a game seven or what happened. Scottie didn't happen. They wanted him to be Jordan. And in the fourth quarter played almost the whole fourth quarter and scored no points over three and they blew the whole lead and blew the game to the obviously wanted. A shocker Lakers at that so so to me. He got exposed. Burmese Scott was never Michael. He never had that that capacity skill but I think it took Scotty growing up too because remember he had a tough and also because the knock on him. Would you punish him? You Kim down you look at some of the bad boy Pistons Documentary and see how they treat this guy to pippin. They treated him just like they treated Jordan. You come into the Lane Gortat beside Joe. Hagan and he had he had to. He had to grow up also skill. You keep saying Michael Dean campaign because he had competent people in the front office. They drafted Scottie Pippen. They drafted guess what they did. They traded you want to join the best friends. Charles Oakley and got winning Bill Cartwright because they needed size in order to compete with the Knicks in order to compete with the bad boy pistons so Lebron would have to ask. People in the front office would do their job. Three the problem with I would use the Houston. We call George did add. Lebron would ask either if he had I rape people that go to the hall of fame if he had a pat riley if he had AJ with if he had competent people in the front office doing the job he would leave. Ask but they won't do his job. I got to leave the team. Imports rebound and I gotTA do job. Meghan get some hail if Michael Jordan in nineteen ninety eight had Kuzma in Bi and Lonzo in jail and Rondo. He would have said I'm good. Watch what we can do with this. He was a greater leader. And it had greater aura and mystique and the ability to lift a whole franchise than Lebron. Lebron was like can't win with this bad body language. Everybody quitting you wanted to trade. The whole team he needed another superstar and Michael did not need another superstar. So what was what was Robin. This is rob was to have defensive player of the year he led from the time he got he led the League in rebounding every year he was with the bull his first year with the Bulls. He Scott it and might with first team all defense so did is Robin. Led the League rebound percents years. But he's above. Let's Scottie Pippen. Just made the All star team. As a matter of fact after they won the final they want fifty three gave the ninety three the next year Jordan. Leave Ninety Four. He missed the whole season. They win fifty five Scottie. Pippen All Star Game Mvp. He plays Bert so skip. This notion that he was a bomb is not true was he. Jordan level no absolutely. Not but I do not believe the I repeat or the second three peat happens without Scottie. Pippen without Scottie. Pippen Being Scottie. Pippen and sometimes. Dr Grant. Look at him. He was never the same player. Was Tom Brady in that system. He got eleven twelve may not go to Seattle and had to come back so that doesn't take away from who we. Yeah maybe he's not an all time great receiver but in that system where Michael Jordan he will. The Celtics ought to be skilled head. Casey Jones and Sam Jones Tommy is an in their prime played elsewhere but because they play Russell and they play with cousy they have a check so it happens like that sometimes but I believe Michael Jordan in order to be who he was. Scotty pippin help allowed him to be that chanted Michael Jordan one with Luc Longley and Bill Wennington at center enough said Case Blows Draymond. Green sounded off on how? Kevin durant handled his last season in Golden State. Draymond said Katie. Should've let the team know that it would be his last season? Instead of leaving the elephant in the room so Shannon. Gio agree with Draymond here. No teams don't have players a this your last season. We don't trade you at the train deadline. This your last season here. I get it. The draymond said he wanted to be there. Klay Thompson said he wanted to be there. Katie said that by all indications by him citing only one year deals that gave you an indication that there's a great chance that K. D. was not going to spend his entire career in Golden State. Give everybody now. My thing is okay I get it. Let me I'M GONNA SIGN OF ONE YEAR. Almost two year deal basically. It's one one win. If Ben go according to plan see how I like it okay. Skip HE GOES. They win the title. He's finally MVP. He resides again. One year he's bottles. Mvp HOLD ON SKIP EITHER. Not Going to get much better there. You can't do any better then. Winning finals and winning finals. Mvp. It doesn't get any better than that. What Katie when? Katie got there. It wasn't what he had hoped. Because remember it's like. Oh this is what I get this. This is it so he never really really got really of feels like he got the prayed adulation that he thought would come along with a tidal scale. Katie responsibility tell anybody they kept asking yes. I'm sure it called a lot of anxious. Night Bob. Meyer Joe. Lacombe Steve Kerr and the rest of them because they know that was the one guy all can be going to Helena handbasket. Katie gives a bucket and he could do that so he was. He was the guy that made unbeatable skill. They became beatable without Katie. They were buried beatable and they knew that. That's why the erupted that man vacation on the Hampton. GotTa Big O. J. Edgar flew out the interrupted. That man he was good people have a good old time and here they come rigby bad sleepers who this time burning them out doing their dry a drain on hands dot crying. Since the final I blush. I read K. K. K. A. R. Baby. We need you so I tell you what I decided to do. I'm going to decide at the end of the year. What you did do if the process. I'll know what dream on won't take responsibility for speeding up the process by calling that name that what he did. Katie Katie does not only to a team or his teammate. To tell what his future plans are win at become in Bogue when winless? I tell you what I'm GonNa do because guess what organizations and corporations don't tell you what their future plans are they just make playing. Oh you trade it so can you say you know what I'm GonNa do at the end of the season I'm GonNa sit down with my team will sit down with my family and I'm GonNa make a decision that's best interests Kevin Durant in. That's what he did. He made a decision that was in the best interest. Okay D- Dream on. You got to title that. You probably wouldn't got if you didn't have got Katie. Enjoyed it. Keep it moving and I agree with everything he said. Shannon on top of that draymond green has not stopped crying since the day Kevin Kevin did sign with the Brooklyn Nets and right now it feels like he's just crying over spilled milk milk that to your point he helped spill and right now. It's hard to respect draymond points because he's crying from a position of weakness because this year what's left of his Golden State Warriors. Have a record of fifteen and sixty that is the worst record in the NBA as we speak. We have no idea if this season is going to get to end but those in dubbed Nation Right. Now hope that there's no more basketball because they would like to go on to the next season with no more into this one because draymond green basically got exposed this year for a bad basketball team. He averaged eight points. Six rebounds and six assists not bad on the six assists but eight. Six six yeah great drain on so it feels like to me. Draymond got swept up in the terrific documentary that dropped on Sunday night. Episodes one and two and he began to fantasize that his warriors somehow deserved a documentary word. The final season of the last dance Kevin Durant left and now to your biggest and best point Shannon Sharpe. That's last season actually ended before it even really got off to start because early in the year as you know sitting on the bench against the clippers. That's when Katie and dream on got into it they got into it on. Who's going to bring the ball up the court and as you point out dream on called Kevin Durant that b word that you just can't call another man without burning that bridge completely to the ground. We both agreed at that day. That next day man. That relationship is basically over that there can be no more than real. Love more teammate. To teammate love between those two and I get a little offended when current players compare what they're going through to what Jordan and those bulls ninety eight. Of course I was there covering for the Chicago Tribune. What they went through because remember Shannon. That team was united. It was completely together completely one for all all for one against the to Jerry's it was Michael and still and Scotty in the Bulls versus Jerry Krause and the owner Jerry Reinsdorf. So so again. We're talking about a Golden State Team. That was actually split from internally where you had draymond getting mad at Kevin and calling him a word that you can't take back you can't you can't walk that back or make that up or apologized and they were damaged from the inside out and doing it. They they blew themselves up. It was internally so my point is that yeah you're right. Kevin never would commit publicly to what he was going to do and the truth is I don't think he knew. I by the fact from Winston Week as he gassed by the media's he went from city to city he'd be like the truth is I don't know I'm not sure we got to see how all this plays out and Shannon my final point is did Kevin quit on the Golden State Warriors that year now no Kevin Durant thought his way back from a pulled calf Kevin durant risked his career for draymond and the other teammates to come back a little bit prematurely in the playoffs so that that he could try to help pull them out of a whole any tore his Achilles tendon and it cost him this whole season. Will you can't fault that you can't condemn him for for biting all the way back in risking a whole year for Draymond and company right so so again I find no fault in what Kevin Did Kevin. Being Kevin and I find it feels like draymond is trying to remind everybody of the good old days. How great they could have been. When in fact Golden State as we speak is fifteen and fifty if you listen to draymond tall when reporters would ask him. Yeah I want to be here. You know I was here. I'm a foundation piece. I was here where it started. I want to continue this thing. They ask clay. Yes I want to be here you know. I was here when we were down building a foundation piece. Kevin Durant wasn't a foundation piece. Kevin Durant well this late room. He made the House vote does what he was and Kevin like. Oh wait. Y'All realize what y'all have here and Kevin and where he gave the media's but the kids Kevin Durant book I don't know I don't really know Katie watching from a distance but when I listen AK VETO. Katie is about hooping Katie. Can y'all can keep the press conferences. Yawkey keep all that other stuff. All I want to do is just let me who if kept guild of Cabinet. Rank could literally just go play basketball and not have to do post game not have to do pre game. That's what he would do. That's what he he didn't want to do anything else. But I understand that part of that is selling. That Katy shoe is a part of being showing people. You'll personnel. Join the side. That they can't get an opportunity to witness all the core but you gotTa let this go. Bra. The girl left you now. Got Her new man now. You can tell. She could've told me she was going to leave me. Go with Joe that it happened. That have been all finding good. Has she told you? Leave your but but you should have known you kept asking the dish. She loves you she. You're crazy we do together now. And that will Katie give. He said he loved him. He's saying but now we'll see. After three years he was he was done. It's Okay Draymond you got to rings which in Three Years Katie had Katie. Not got injured. You probably would've had a bird but you can't be upset that the man left like you said you step in clay. Y'All on the foundation piece K. D. came in enjoy that it was great but he wanted to do something else. That's okay too. You can't hold that man to get. You can't be mad at him because he was killed. I told you my grandma and say boy key is drugs of angry. People were generally tell you the truth when draymond got mad and he called Katie he thought Katie was that all alone because he joined the seventy three win team. He always thought dedicated. He suppressed. But Boris get. When you get mad you will say a lot of things that you say if you novel keep the P. But the moment you get mad you have so you know you know what and Data Katie just say. Did that manager call were. Oh my goodness this what you think. Katie I wanted to two or three best players and all the basketball and you think I'm GonNa be OK okay. I'm of the season but it's never going to be the same and I'm GonNa give it all you know. People say noted arguments with a lot of teammates. You know what line that. Cross your lucky. Probably the Football Locker. Rooms kill you. GotTa you've got a new age. You gotTA knuckle up. You have a wall as simple as that. Now I'll say at basketball. They probably got a little different culture. I've never been on a basketball locker room but call eight colleague and see what happened calling out on the street that you will have to fight him. Katie show great restraint in not in not going to get a draymond but look here. It was over from that point being a beverly being a proper man. Katie when coming back from that they would have called the Golden State documentary of the last year. The last B word. Because that's what it was. That was the last word it was the B word and it was basically over right there and yet looking back it it seems to me. Draymond should actually be thankful to Kevin because he did leave Russell Westbrook for them after Russell and Kevin had them down three to one in the conference finals. And help me out here. It feels like Kevin One dream on to rings because Kevin was backed back silence. Mvp and I don't know if they would've won without it. So Okay so we feel unto rings more than he probably deserve to inherit the things he got he. Katie leaving with the Riemann dre. Got The MAX deal. Have you will occur. Contract KLAY AMAX CONTRACT K. Deal Matt Contract Andrew Mollenbeck. Dre As you will do that do care. So he'll leave. Do get more money. I agree documentary documentary just yet. Welcome back undisputed. Well the Patriots have agreed to Trade Rob Gronkowski and a seventh round draft. Pick to the buccaneers for only fourth round. Pick in return. So Shannon did Bill Fella. Check get fleeced in this trade. I don't believe so skip. I think like I said remembers give. He tried to trade him earlier. Now he's trying to trade him. He traded him now after knowing that Gronk had been out of the year and saying that the only way I'm playing I'm playing with Tom Brady. You can't put him on the open market because he's already made that public. I'm not playing quarterback. So what are you GONNA get bored? It's give you remember the situation where Mike Shanahan. My former coach tried to trae jake plumber to the Tampa. Bay buccaneers in Jon. Gruden and J new trade me. I'm going to retire. Were Mike and traded it in Jake. Plumber retire so scale. I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not going to give a trays trae for someone that's GonNa Retire your draft pick and then and then I'm out of a draft pick no could check didn't have a whole lot of leverage. He got what he could you. Please remember scale coach. Bela check did not anticipate grunt giving him anything he retired. So if I don't anticipate anything about Paul something outlets I'm not calling bra trade but I'm saying if I said something to curb somebody said like a throwing this away. I'm like yeah how about I give you fifty bucks for it okay. I'm in no position to argue because I didn't want it anyway. I didn't anticipate having it. I living at go skill. If you and I both know had rock had a great season let's just say he plays Lesher. Forget the see that had he plays last year. He has some tape. And let's say grow seventy eight touchdown. It's hard for me to believe that coach. Belichick can't get it leave at bare minimum. Third Rounder without having to give up giving up that seventh round but because he took that Europe because his numbers were uncustomary along the year before. I think that had a lot to do with it. Plus like I said could only have a dollar fifty cent and cap space. What Ellie going to hit me. So adult picky got pleased. I coach coach coach doings. Give you see this. He wants guys that want to be there. I think those other two gathered visit kind of Warren Bills. And when you're young you can tolerate a lot of things with as I got older manures starting to free and all that yellow and rose over gay to repeat it gets only nerves. Go Mike Shanahan. My former coach Brad. Billy was nothing like Bill Belichick. I can imagine but I remember when Laine Johnson said they're not having phone over there. They're all still bathing. Everybody craned it and Lord behold just two years later the whole thing with the shambles. You have not heard me condemn coach bill checks culture just because Brady gronk finally burned out on it and said that's enough. Obviously Tom lasted twenty years. And I can't argue obviously with nine super bowls in six rings so it was working in large part because Tom Brady helped make it work because he was always the buffer. The mediator in the locker room telling all the younger players. It's okay just swallow it. Bite your tongue do your job like he asked you to do. And we're going to win rings. And because he set that tone example it continued to work but again to your point bell check did want to trade before his final season which was two seasons ago and he had a deal in place. Detroit for a first round pick okay. Fair is fair first. Rounder for Rob Gronkowski greatest tied endeavor. At that point he was still twenty eight years of age and yet raw said No. I ONLY WANNA play with Tom. Brady so to me back to Jimmy's question the harder I look at this the more it feels like bill. Bill did get fleeced and maybe wanted to get fleeced. Maybe he wants to say to the world. Hey I don't need Tom Brady. I'll let him go for nothing. I don't even need Rob Gronkowski. I'll just basically give him away for a fourth and also give them a seven so it sort of is we talked about it actually mitigates to this so so I basically he's saying I I give him away and I'll show you. I'll take all these spare parts these faceless nameless cogs and I'll rebuild on the fly here and I'll win without them and I think that's what he's trying to do because Shannon I get it that Rob Gronkowski was not going to play for Bill Belichick. That was a done deal that were given but the other half of that equation was he only was going to play for one man one team. Now Tom Brady's buccaneers so velvet. Had too no wait a second. I do have leverage here. Because that's the only place he's going to go and they desperately would love to have him. They don't need him. They still got quality tight ends but they don't have rob Gronkowski and obviously behind the scenes. Tom Brady was pushing like crazy psycho. Tom was going psycho over. You GotTa get this done. Well if you gotta get it done been either a you give up. Oj Howard tight in for tied in. And I would have been fine with that swap as much as I believe in the future of Oj. Howard I still think that would have been a fair deal for both sides a good deal for both sides and that didn't happen so then as a fallback you'd say to Tampa will give us give us a two gives a second round or for Rob Gronkowski. Because I still believe Tampa would've done that. Tampa has a second rounder in this upcoming Thursday night draft bill. Belichick gave up his second. Rounder for Mohamed Sanu. Even you said Bust Swing Admits Jack in seriously Shannon. When I when I step back from this I say well. Obviously bill is an all time. Great Defensive Football coach. There's no doubt about that and you can certainly make the case as you often do that. He's the greatest football coach ever. I still think is Bill Walsh but we could fight about that another day but when we talk about team building we talk about trader bill. He's looking all time bad because just in recent memory he just gave away. Jimmy G. I don't know what it was. Was that a spite move. Because he was forced to trading by Robert Kraft he just he calls up John Lynch and call Shannon and says hey I gotta deal for you. Would you give me a two for Jimmy Garoppolo? And they're like seriously they thought it was like an April fools joke. Yeah Yeah we'll do that. We'll give you a two Jimmy G. And they got their starting quarterback. And we're GonNa talk about them later because they had a chance to get Tom Brady and decided to even stick with Jimmy G. that they stole for two. So was that a spike trade by bill check. I have no idea but then we go to remember he did. I thought pretty much gave away. Jacoby were set another quarterback he developed. Who's been a starting quarterback in a decent starting quarterback? In this league. He gave them away for Philip door set. Who's now gone to Seattle? I don't know that wasn't you? Don't trade a potential starting quarterback for kind of a bust of a first round pick wide receiver in indy. Who did some nice moments for Tom? Brady? But but not like what percent is done. We talked about the deal. That was just a swing and a miss and then I don't know Doron harm. And he just traded away to Detroit for a fifth round pick and drum was a starter for this team last year for New England so Shannon I. I don't know it looks like trader. Bill is looking worse and worse. We'LL SKIP I. WanNa I WANNA stick to this trade but you have to understand that. But if I'm not mistaken skip they were gonNA Trade Gras and either second or third for Detroit's first round pick and I think the thing is what you have to understand. Grant was the first all pro tidiest and he went to the pro bowl. So that's what you have. So that's what you bargained with right there and like you said he was under the age of thirty so I can go to like look. This is the best tight end in football. He's under the age of thirty. He just had an all pro pro bowl type of pro bowl season. Yeah if you want this. What is going to take now? Take that away. The negative skip. He have his worst season since his rookie season tie or career low in touchdowns with three and the year after that he says the entire season skilled a fourth round pick is more than what the Patriots thought they would get from Rob Gronkowski this season. Because they did not anticipate him playing at all so at least military says look. If he don't play for me he wants to play there. I got a problem with that skill. That just goes to show you come out because our care. I would not be surprised IF JULIAN ELEMENT BY GAY TRADED. Their he released but the thing is if we mentioned too in all of his injury history. Should we bring that up with GROP? Would injure history our the other side of thirty. Because he's going to be thirty one next month. You keep talking about thirty. He's one month away now. We know what he can be but if injury history inexpensive and he's been injured more time we care that he wished that he had been so. That's they're all so I GIVE. I think coach Belichick Guy. Would he can get given the circumstances given that. Gronk had let it be known publicly. I mean the player Brady or not play so you don't have the leverage that you have. That's why you won't. Tiv Won't plans to keep trae request hush because once that become public you lose a lot of the be ability to get fair compensation not that. You're going to get better coverage spatial looking at basketball because they trump lengthy right what you WANNA keep that demand down so it just comes out of blue. Oh really okay. Yeah we'll give you that like in God quit Jacksonville's he's letting it be known. Well get compensation if he's doing he's argued with older son on twitter and let known he wants out. How are they ever GonNa get fair? Compensation Okay back to one quick point that you made the proposed. Detroit deal before this is going back. Two years ago before his final season in New England rocks the proposed deal was New England was going to get a first round pick. They were just going to trade places with Detroit in the second round. So that was the big deal on the table that GRBIC YEP ROC successfully vetoed it. Because he said. I ONLY WANNA play with Tom. Brady I don't WanNa go to Detroit now back to OJ Howard again. I have read this. I've heard this. I don't know this for a dead solid fact but I think belichick has talked to Tampa about trading four. Oj Howard in the past so there was already interest there. That never come to fruition so I still don't right understand how he couldn't have pushed for and finally one OJ Howard. The only plausible theory here is because Oj did wind up some in Bruce Arians doghouse last year. Because he's still hadn't quite grown up yet. Is it possible that bell check called Nick Sabin and obviously they're very close? There was a documentary on the two of them are sort of a sit down with the to them did he calls. Sabin and save warned him off. Oj. I I don't know but I'm pretty sure 'cause I've heard and read this so many times. I'm pretty sure Bella. Check at least kick the tires of trading for OJ Howard before so how Tampa wound up with Gronk and kept OJ. Howard is beyond beyond belief to me because Tampa can use. Oj Howard is. We talked about earlier to take some of the REPS OFF. Gronk and try to keep him fresher for a playoff run so to me man. Bill bill turns out looking so bad because he winds up he gives away a seven winds up with a four and and he's still has thirteen million in dead money on his cap from Tom. Brady so in New England. I'm sure Patriot. Nation is sitting back saying coach. Wait a second you just let two goats go to Tampa and all you have to show for. It is a fourth. That's actually more like a fifth and wait a second you still. You had to eat thirteen million dollars. A Brady's dead cap money. I mean. That's just horrible on top a horrible and then Shannon. Obviously I looked down at what just happened in free. Agency and New England did next to nothing in free agency and there was pretty much. This mass exodus. You can say they're all just call. They're all just no-name sort of pieces but but they lost. Kyle vanoy endorse it and Ted Care. Starting Center last year. And Danny Shelton and a land and Roberts and Jamie Collins and they cut gusts Caskey and they traded as I just mentioned Doron harmon and all they added was helped me out. If you know these people bow Alan demere bird. I know him a little bit from Arizona. Adrian Phillips a good specialties player and they brought back Brian Hoyer for the third time and they kept Devin mccourty obviously and they tag Joe Tuni and that's it I just gave you their off-season and it looks like they're going forward with stood as in. Jared stood him the next. Tom Brady seriously. So so Shannon. Are you sure about the Patriots? Having a better record next year than the Tampa. Bay buccaneers is. That's our bet was. It is what it is now and I wouldn't be surprised if traded Joe Chew Tunde because fourteen million dollars for a guard that didn't make the pro bowl. It's not an all pro. That's a lot of various guilty for not Zack. Martin that's not the kid. That's not the kid opening that those are the two guards and all the football so i. That's a lot of money for guy this guy. And I don't get why he franchise I really don't I guess they were to lose them in so they like look come draft time. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA move in and I guess you know in phrases people being on things and they will not going to be able to get into a beating with anybody because they were cash strapped strapped as you mentioned and as you say thirteen million dollars cap space is being eaten up for by. God does not even on your roster and. That's Tom Brady. So that's thirteen million dollars in couchbase that you could have if you probably a way to somehow do greatest deal years it goes get with all they did was kept kicking the can down the road and they kept coming and it was gonNA come to this and they just had to make that balloon payment. When you look at it I just think with grunts injury history. I think gronk retired in coming off a season which was not the GRONK that we're used to. I think that aided in the fact and coach check simply looked at it they gotta grow. At least I can get a draft pick draft pick might turn out to be a special teams player or contribute on offense or defense is so so what do I do. Hold onto a guy out of spite. That's not gonNA play for me. And not getting compensation or let him go and get some compensation and I think that's what he did back to the Oj. How was killed? You Know Co saving love guys from Alabama because their coach coach Saban defensive coordinator in Cleveland. And they talk extensively so I'm I'm surprised that they haven't pulled the trigger. So maybe but that when I look at it I don't think cold. Save because you see you've seen him. We've seen him come to bat for tour. We see them go to bed for other players that come out of Alabama. So let's give out on. Thank you would say anything negative about O J Howard but like I said you you never know But two million dollars is not a lot of money but when you only got a dollar fifty and cabinet space. Two dollars twenty million. Okay so I'm going to give you an out right here right now. On live national television. We made a bet that I said Tampa would have a better record next year. The New England and you took it for five cases of Diet Mountain Dew. God's breakfast champions and right now I will let you out of the bet for just one case if you just give me one case right now just because I feel sorry for you. And I'm so happy for Tampa today I'll let you out of the bad for five cases. Would you like out of the Bat right now? Can I can I think about it? Can I sleep voted? Yeah Yeah you can sleep on it okay or drink on are you gonNA think on it. Shannon. You got a little bit of time.

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The 90s: The Chicago Bulls

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The 90s: The Chicago Bulls

"Due to the graphic nature of these events listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and sex that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In nineteen ninety, three, thirty, year old Michael Jordan was the most famous basketball player in the world he had three NBA championships with the Chicago Bulls under his belt and no shortage of endorsement deals he was the prize of every company from Nike Gatorade On October six, hundred, ninety, three at nine. AM The bulls training facility was overflowing with reporters Jordan. Had An announcement for them and he was soon flanked by top NBA and bulls brass. It was standing room only for the crowd near the podium Jordan confirmed the rumors crushing the dreams of every reporter, aspiring actor and basketball fan in the country he said. I, have nothing more to prove in basketball. I have no more challenges that I felt I could get motivated for his retirement shocked the NBA basketball fans and the rest of the World Jordan was only thirty and in his prime he had another five years left in him if not more especially since he didn't have any chronic injuries. He was the star of a winning team. Leaving didn't make sense while questions about this puzzling development persisted fans in the press started to wonder if Jordan's retirement was tied to a conspiracy. One that threatened to completely derail the Bulls Championship Dynasty. This is the dark side of apart cast original. A show where we will delve into the CD underbelly of pop culture icons and historical events we aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments and public figures we hold most dear. Proving that there is always more to this story than meets the eye I'm your host. Kate and I'm Richard. This is our eighth episode on the dark side of the nineties. As every decade brings new challenges a rosy tint has started to color these bygone years but all business Tanja obscures more unpleasant pages of nineties history. You can find all episodes of the dark side of. And all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream the dark side of for free on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type the dark side of in the search bar. Today, we're diving into the Chicago Bulls dominance of ninety s NBA basketball equipped with the talent of Michael, Jordan Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman the team won six. Ships over the course of the decade, the Bulls went from failing team to one of if not the top teams in basketball, but their dynasty was plagued with vicious conspiracies, savage betrayal and fractured teammate relationships. We'll dig into how the Bulls rose to basketball dominance right after this. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, the struggling Chicago Bulls were in need of a superstar after the team failed to qualify for the playoffs they looked to their next season. If they could secure someone big in the NBA draft, they might just turn things around. On June nineteenth the Bulls drafted a talented twenty one year old shooting guard named Michael Jordan but Jordan wasn't at New York City's Madison Square Garden to pose for the traditional draft night photos he was training for the nineteen eighty four summer Olympics. In Los Angeles with the USA basketball team back then the International Basketball Federation did NOT ALLOW PROFESSIONAL NBA players to compete in the Games so team USA was mostly composed of college basketball stars like Jordan though he'd already won an NC double a. Ship with University of North Carolina Tar heels. Jordan wasn't content to hang back in the college league. He left school a year early to go pro and he'd start building his fame long before he joined the Bulls. Throughout the nineteen eighty-four Olympics. Jordan led the talented team in scoring and dazzled TV viewers at home. His Slam dunks defied gravity to watch him play was a show unlike any other and fans loved every minute of it. On August Tenth Nineteen eighty-four Team USA won the gold medal against Spain. Thanks to Jordan the top scorer. The victory afterglow was still fresh. Small Athletic Company named Nike offered Jordan his own shoe line air. Jordan. This was a huge deal for a rookie who hadn't even stepped foot on an NBA court yet. The Popular Legend holds that the NBA find Jordan five, thousand dollars for every game sported Air Jordan's the shoes bold colors broke the league's white sneaker rule. This isn't entirely true according to the Chicago Tribune the shoes Jordan war during the nineteen eighty five season were just regular Nike sneakers as the Real Air Jordans were still in the process of being manufactured but Nike capitalized on the controversy anyway. Ads for the sneakers told those at home that the real reason the NBA band, the shoe was because it was so revolutionary aside from the Air Jordans debacle Jordan grew frustrated for other reasons. The Detroit Pistons kept beating the Bulls in the playoffs squashing his chances of championship glory. But soon to keep people arrived in Chicago that made all the difference small forward Scottie Pippen and head coach Phil Jackson. Pippen was Jordan's favourite teammate and Jackson had a plan to overcome Detroit the triangle offense with it. Jordan Pippen and the Bulls became absolutely unstoppable in the nineties. The Bulls finally beat Detroit in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, one playoffs and advanced to the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history. But the Bulls next opponent was none other than the winningest team of the nineteen eighties the Los Angeles Lakers. Twenty eight year old was pitted against one of his idols thirty one year old Lakers superstar Irvin Magic Johnson Jordan versus Johnson was basketball's David vs Goliath. Defying all expectations, the Bulls beat the Lakers winning its first. NBA Championship on June twelfth. Nineteen ninety-one once the champagne and confetti were gone Jordan and the Bulls were ready to defend their title against Johnson, the Lakers and the rest of the League. The Bulls wanted to make the statement that they were not a fluke. But right before the nineteen ninety, one, nineteen, ninety-two season, and the rematches that would come with it. Johnson was missing from an October preseason exhibition game hosted by the Utah Jazz. Johnson was on his way back to Los Angeles at the request of Lakers management. The results from his routine physical exam were in. And he'd failed. It didn't make sense to the team Johnson was healthy and in his prime. But on October Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-one. The Lakers doctor told Johnson the news. He was HIV positive. This would soon progress into eights. Back in the early nineteen, ninety s people who contracted HIV had little hope for survival long-term drug treatments for the virus didn't exist yet in nineteen, ninety-one, ten, million people worldwide contracted HIV and one million were Americans. The Myth that HIV was a game end sexually transmitted disease didn't help either in fact, even in the nineties, the public still widely misunderstood HIV. So the stigma continued even as heterosexual men women and babies contracted through blood transfusions and breastfeeding. Because there was still so much unknown about the disease. The doctors advised Johnson to stop playing basketball to protect his own immune system and his teammates the Lakers star agreed. On November Seventh Nineteen ninety-one, the thirty, two year old Johnson announced his retirement and revealed his HIV status at a Los Angeles press conference. He assured reporters that his pregnant wife Cookie, and their unborn child did not have the virus in retiring Johnson was trading one position of leadership. For another he pledged to become an advocate for V and shatter the stigma. Surrounding it naturally news of the most high profile heterosexual celebrity with HIV sent shockwaves around the sports world and beyond Johnson's Lakers, teammates and fans worried his time was limited. But in just a few weeks, public concern turned into wild speculation without a statement from Johnson on how he contracted the virus rumors swirled that he was secretly gay or bisexual but to. Be, an advocate in Johnson's mind meant telling the truth no matter. How uncomfortable a few months later thirty, two year old Johnson admitted on ABC's Primetime live that he had harems of women during the height of the Lakers one, thousand, nine, hundred eighties success he engaged in sex with them in the locker room right after games whose admissions tarnished his once wholesome. Image. But Johnson wanted to own up to his mistakes in his autobiography. My Life Johnson acknowledged his sexual debauchery was how he got infected but he still didn't know who it came from. It didn't matter though the former Lakers player moved past being the NBA's wholesome hero and embraced his new image a man working hard to reform himself and the HIV. Stigma. Meanwhile, basketball needed a new hero and Michael Jordan stepped up to that role. He was expected to be the perfect basketball player, the smiling product spokesperson and a heroic figure to everyone at all times. What could possibly go wrong Next. Jordan. Struggles under the high pressure of the spotlight. 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They also have a thrilling, four parts special coming up on the Oklahoma City bombing that you do not want to miss. From the craziest controversies, possible cover-ups, they leave no stone unturned and no skeptic on heard. Because the truth is sometimes, there's more to a story than just the truth. Follow conspiracy theories free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. After a spectacular debut with the Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan was not just an exalted a rookie but a basketball icon. especially. After his own idol Magic Johnson stepped out of the spotlight to advocate for HIV awareness with Jordan as the NBA's new role model. All is in America were on him and that meant he became the face of American capitalism whether he liked it or not. Every kid woke up to a wheaties box with Jordan's Mug printed on it at the mall they I'd the latest pair of Air Jordan's at footlocker. They'd wear those new. Sneakers to play basketball and drink gatorade while humming the browns infectious jingle if I could be like Mike but not everyone wanted to be exactly like Mike he was famous but he wasn't perfect. He had his vices Jordan liked to engage in vicious trash talk to motivate his teammates and himself while the brands broadcast his nice guy smiled to the world Jordan dished out harsh insults to push the bulls to play better it often worked. Play full burn soon turned into a feud with one teammate in particular twenty-seven-year-old power forward, Horace Grant. Jordan's suspected that grant was the anonymous source who contributed to a nineteen ninety-two. Tell all book about him called the Jordan rules by journalists Sam Smith. The book painted. As a volatile player who allegedly punched teammate will perdue and sabotaged Bill Cartwright's in game passing. It was the first scandal in Jordan's career. Suddenly he had a target on his back everyone wanted to profit on his fame and take him down. But this time Jordan shut it off and his bulls teammates stood by him. They called the book pure. Fiction. Grant. Also denied providing any information to Smith. Jordan held ill-will for grant for many years, but he was skilled in using grudges to feed his. Drive to win. Jordan's competitive streak permeated his hobbies off the court. He was always itching bet money on something whether it was on a card game or a cartoon race broadcast on the arena's jumbotron. Jordan loved high stakes gambling. He'd always invite his teammates to play cards with him but his wagers were too heavy unlike his colleagues Jordan got not just a paycheck but millions from endorsement deals not being in the same income bracket as teammates made him feel a little isolated. Jordan struggled with reconciling his own identity with the idealized next spokesperson, the world new and the chasm between his two selves only grew deeper after the Chicago Bulls won their second NBA Championship on June fourteen nineteen, ninety-two. All Jordan wanted to do was be a basketball champion but each trophy placed more expectations and pressure on him. In addition to endorsing brands Jordan was soon expected to do the same for people. Rumors swirled that back in nineteen ninety he refused to endorse Harvey Gantt, a Black Democratic candidate trying to unseat the reviled Republican Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Dance. Campaign New Jordan's seal of approval would mean as renowned black athletes from the state. It would definitely bolster support for the former Charlotte Mayor Jordan however didn't WANNA give into this pressure. He wanted nothing to do with politics and realized speaking out could impact his nike deal. At one point on the Bulls team bus, he related his reasoning. Hey, Republicans buy shoes to. The press caught wind of the remark and Jordan received widespread criticism for prioritizing Nike sales over supporting a black politician especially, because gant eventually lost the election to Helms Jordan denied making the remark for years until recently admitting he did say it ingest he later explained I wasn't a politician when I was playing my sport, I was focused on my craft. He was caught in the frustrating microscopic nature of celebrity where his every move was analyzed and scrutinized including his off the cuff jokes. The attention was becoming too much and Jordan wished he could fade into the background. But even more prying eyes were on Jordan in nineteen, ninety two as he trained for the Summer Olympics in Barcelona Spain. Due to a rule change NBA players were now allowed to play for the US National Basketball Team, of course, the league's greatest players were invited to compete including Jordan. He enjoyed preparing for the Games alongside Scottie Pippen Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, and an unretired magic Johnson. They were nicknamed the Dream Team after practices, Jordan nightly poker games with Pippen Barkley, and Johnson that often went past midnight. Jordan was always looking to buy the pot meaning. He made bet so rich, it forced other players to fold. But part of him was thinking about life beyond the Olympics and Basketball Jordan had been talking veteran sports journalist Mark Van Zyl about writing a book on his career. After an Olympic practice. That's summer Jordan advances in a stairwell confided in him he wanted to quit the NBA and play baseball. The book needed to happen sooner than later to drum up interest in Jordan MLB run. Jordan wanted to continue playing sports, but he also wanted to be on a team where he wasn't Michael Jordan the hero. He just wanted to be one of the guys again he felt physically worn out by basketball and mentally exhausted by the public scrutiny. He later said I'm at that stage in my career and my life that I'd rather get behind closed doors than to be out. There, in the spotlight to be taking shots from everyone that don't know you as a person, it wasn't a question of if but when he'd retire I, Jordan wanted to win his second gold medal at the nineteen ninety two Olympics. Then a third NBA championship with the Bulls, he accomplished the first goal on August eighth. Nineteen. Ninety two when the Dream Team defeated Croatia and the championship game. But on the way to his next NBA Championship, Jordan, faced the biggest threat to his role model reputation yet. In February of Nineteen ninety-three Jordan's gambling habits were exposed to the public of fifty seven thousand dollar check. He wrote to drug dealer and Hustler James Slim Buhler surfaced, and he was eventually questioned in court. Buhler was on trial for money laundering and conspiracy charges and Jordan's check was certainly suspicious. Initially. The basketball star claimed the check was a business loan. But under oath he changed his position. He admitted the money was meant to pay off a gambling debt. Soon. The buzz about his off the court vice only got louder on May first nineteen ninety-three sports executive and Jordan's Gulf Buddy Richard A skegness published an incriminating book called Michael In me our gambling addiction my cry for help. In. It S keenest claim. Jordan. Owed him a staggering one point two, five, million dollars from. Gulf bets. Jordan denied this a feared ruining his meticulously crafted inge and losing his millions in endorsement deals. Nike wouldn't want a Gambler to be the face of their shoes amid the chatter about his gambling Jordan turn the blinders on and focused on the NBA post-season. The Chicago Bulls were poised to win their third championship in a row fans and the media dubbed it a three peat. But late in May of nineteen ninety-three, the Chicago Bulls faced an unfathomable situation they fell behind in the eastern conference finals. The defending champs lost the first two games in a best of seven series against the hard charging new. York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. On Me Twenty Seven Nineteen ninety-three New York Times columnist Dave Anderson blamed the Bulls losses on Jordan's gambling the article detailed that instead of prepping for game to the Bulls Star went to Atlantic City New Jersey with his father James Jordan reportedly lost five thousand dollars playing blackjack at bally's grand casino until two thirty am then headed back to Manhattan. The report set off a media firestorm while rumors of Jordan's gambling had been circulating for a while. This was the first time his extracurricular habit directly threaten the Bulls Championship Dynasty. Jordan admitted to taking the trip but clarified he was back in bed at eleven and denied that it impacted his play during game two despite the fact that the Bulls rebounded to beat the Knicks and eventually achieve a championship three peat during the June nineteen ninety-three NBA finals Jordan's gambling was all anyone talked about the thirty year olds perfect role model persona was shattered the speculation snowballed from there if Jordan bet on golf games and blackjack did he Gamble on NBA Games. After. The season concluded in June nineteen, ninety three, the League appointed former Federal Judge Frederick Lacey to investigate Jordan's off court activities but ultimately cleared him of any wrongdoing. The nineteen ninety-three offseason was one allocated to damage control in July nineteen ninety-three Jordan famously told journalists Connie Chung in an interview, I can stop gambling I have a competition problem. Jordan denied he had an addiction though the media and fans speculated otherwise he resented the scrutiny more than ever as it encroached on his endorsement deals, he hadn't lost any of his brand spokesperson. But he was on shaky ground. The media frenzy caused Jordan to further contemplate his retirement with his father James. The Jordan. Always supported his son's basketball career but had long held in his heart that Michael would be baseball star. James encouraged his son to retire from basketball to try baseball if that's what he really wanted to do. It was the last conversation Jordan had with his father. On July twenty third nineteen ninety, three, fifty, six, year old James. Jordan holdover on North Carolina highway to take a nap. While he slept two teenagers shot and killed him dumped his body in a nearby swamp and stole the car in a random act of violence. James's body was found several weeks later on August thirteenth nineteen ninety-three. Jordan was devastated his number one fan, his own father was brutally murdered. But Michael Sadness, soon, turned to frustration when the sports media speculated that James was killed over Jordan's gambling debts. Amidst his grief Jordan was insulted that people were blaming him for his father's death. He emphatically denied any connection between the two subjects. Despite his comments, the media relentlessly probed this theory in August of nineteen ninety-three. Newspapers and tabloids ran headlines like is Michael Somehow tied to DADS bizarre death. Mentions of Jordan's gambling were inserted into every story on his father's passing including when two suspects were arrested and charged with the murder. The last straw though was when federal investigators admitted they were looking into the theory. The conspiracy had taken on a life of its own Jordan was deeply hurt and his trust in the media fell to an all-time low. By October sixth. Nineteen Ninety three thirty year old Jordan. Had enough of the scrutiny and the spotlight. At nine, am he arrived at the Chicago Bulls training facilities for a press conference with coach Phil Jackson and NBA Commissioner David Stern. Next. Jordan reveals he's done with basketball now back to the story. In the early nineteen nineties, the Chicago Bulls established themselves as the best team in the NBA, three years in a row and Michael Jordan emerged as a superstar. But the pressure and scrutiny of being the most valuable player, perfect role model and Nice Guy Brand spokesperson soon, became too much. On October Sixth Nineteen ninety-three Jordan announced his retirement effective immediately at a press conference. It would take years for Jordan to finally feel comfortable enough with journalists to admit that the media blitz surrounding his father's death pushed him out of basketball. On that Fall Day. All he said was that he was done. For now. Jordan didn't rule out an NBA comeback though he said, if the urge comes back if the Bulls will have me if David Stern, let's be back in the league. I may come back the public was shocked at first but soon, the rumors and theories focused on that Jordan quote. Stern was the longtime NBA Commissioner and he had the final say on the barring and reinstatement of league players. Speculation. Abounded that Jordan's retirement was actually a secret gambling suspension. The prying sports media hypothesized the NBA's investigation into Jordan's gambling did reveal wrongdoing. To keep the reputation of its superstar intact the NBA allegedly kept it under wraps and forced Jordan to retire as punishment. When asked about this theory both Jordan and Stern denied that there was any truth to it but it was proved that gambling rumors would continue to haunt Jordan. If he stayed in basketball fully committed to baseball Jordan announced, he signed with the Chicago White Sox on February seventh nineteen ninety-four. Par, for the course, he goes through the team's minor league system and start playing for the double a Birmingham, barons? He relished in just being one of the guys again and learning the intricacies of the sport. But just as Jordan started improving on the field, a storm was brewing in baseball on August Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four mlb players including Jordan, went on strike. During the work stoppage Jordan's progress stopped dead in its tracks. The strike continued into the next year and the MLB searched for replacement players. Jordan refused to cross the picket line and wanted to escape any coercion or media scrutiny. So on March second nineteen ninety five Jordan packed up his belongings and left baseball for good. Meanwhile during Jordan's absence, the Bulls looked at twenty nine year olds Scottie. Pippen to lead the small forward was an integral part of the teams three championships. But when Jordan had been on the court, his shadow was hard to escape. It was finally Pippen's time to be the star and build his own legacy or so he thought instead Bulls General Manager Jerry Krause touted twenty six year old Tony coup coach a rookie from Croatia as the team's new star Pippen quietly grew resentful and he reached his breaking point during the nineteen ninety-four. Playoffs. On May Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-four the Bulls in Knicks were tied at one hundred and two points. Only one point eight seconds remained on the clock at Chicago Stadium. The Knicks claimed the first two victories of the Eastern Conference finals the Bulls needed this win to quell the talk about how the team was only successful because of Jordan. During the time out coach Phil Jackson devised a play that setup coup coach to take the final shot who coach had sunk several buzzer beating baskets during the regular season. But pippin took offence he saw himself as the most dangerous player on the Bulls and thought he should get the shot. Pippen reportedly told Jackson. I'm. Tired of. This. He sat on the bench as his teammates returned to the court for the final second they called out for him to join. Pippen shook his head and refused. Coup coach made the game winning shot, but the media didn't care. They wanted to know why pippen was benched in the final second. It was proof. Pippen was indeed the star this small moment plagued him for the rest of the season. His reputation with his teammates fans and the media was tarnished pippen eventually apologized to his teammates. Despite the win, the Bulls lost to the Knicks, the rest of the series, their bid for a fourth NBA championship and their first without Jordan fell short. It was more evident than ever the bulls needed. Jordan in order to win. Luckily, the superstar was ready to make a comeback. In March of Nineteen, ninety, five, Jordan started attending practices with the Chicago Bulls, his teammates and the media wondered is Jordan coming back to basketball an answer finally arrived on March Eighteenth Nineteen. ninety-five. Jordan issued a short statement to the sports media via fax. I'm back. The message was simple but monumental Jordan. Wanted to be back on the roster and the NBA was glad to oblige he returned to his former team and the Bulls honored his old three point eight, million dollar a year contract on the court. Jordan slid back into the lineup and helped the team rebound from tough season. But reuniting Jordan with twenty nine year old Scotty Pippin on the court didn't recreate the championship winning magic had. The Bulls advanced to the NBA playoffs in late April one, thousand, nine, hundred five but were defeated by the Orlando Magic on May eighteenth nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five. After the loss, the Bulls lineup was retooled during the off season power forward horace grant's contract wasn't renewed and the team searched for a new front court player. On October third. Nineteen ninety-five the team acquired the bombastic controversial Dennis Rodman, the thirty four year old was the NBA's best rebounder. But adding Rodman to the Bulls was a huge risk because he was better known for his wild antics off the court. Rodman bleached his hair blond partied all the time and received fines for headbutting several players. He famously dated pop singer Madonna for two months in Nineteen ninety-four and claimed she paid him to million dollars to impregnate her during the nineteen ninety four season the San Antonio Spurs paid Rodman two point five, million dollars to play. But he spent the majority of the time making trouble from throwing a bag of ice at his coach to arguing with refs in getting adjusted from games. By. The end of the season Rodman and the spurs management had had enough of each other prompting the nineteen, ninety, five trade. To the Bulls Rodman's liabilities were worth gaining his talent. Coach Phil Jackson found a way to manage Rodman's behavior for the most part. Rodman and coach Phil Jackson even bonded which further helped the Bulls return to dominance and win their fourth NBA. Championship in June of that year oddly as Rodman. Became less of a liability thirty-three-year-old Jordan as one especially when a nike expose was published in the spring of Nineteen ninety-six. The article described children as young as twelve years old making Nike Products for two dollars and twenty cents a day in sweatshops a pair of Air Jordan's at the time cost one, hundred and fifteen dollars, which was the amount a Nike factory worker earned in one month in Asia. The report made sweatshops and child. Labor practices an international concern. Nike faced protests and constant scrutiny regarding its factories in Indonesia and Vietnam. And there'd be no shoes without the man behind their top-selling sneaker Michael Jordan. The scrutiny came for him in waves. The sports media called on Jordan to join the masses in protesting Nike talk show host. Kathy Lee Gifford's clothing brand also faced a similar backlash for using sweatshops. She wanted Jordan to join her in standing up for unethical labor practices. But again, he wasn't interested in speaking out or risking his million dollar endorsement deal Nike had invested in him when he was an unproven rookie. In light of that, Jordan stayed loyal to the brand when asked about Nike's abuses in June of Nineteen ninety-six, he said. Hopefully. Nike will do the right thing whatever that might be. As Nike considered reforms to its business practices, Jordan signed a one year contract with the Chicago Bulls for thirty point one, million dollars after he and the Bulls won their fifth NBA Championship in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, Jordan resigned for thirty three point one, million dollars Scottie Pippen's obvious high numbers and became even more resentful of the Bulls General Manager Jerry Krause. He was top defensive player and crucial part of the teams five NBA. Championships yet pippen was only paid two point eight, million dollars a year he was locked into a seven year eighteen million dollar contract that he signed in one, thousand ninety-one. And while NBA salaries of other star players, climbed upwards, Pippen's stayed the same in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, nineteen, Ninety, eight season. He was only the sixth highest paid player on the Bulls rookies earned more than him. He was embarrassed that he was spending his best years in the sport as underpaid and underappreciated. But Krauss refused to negotiate pippen's contract and in the summer of Nineteen Ninety, seven, the Bulls made it clear they intended to trade pippen the top brass didn't think that the Bulls could win another championship because the roster was filled with older players in their thirties out with the old in with the young new talent. So the night before the NBA draft it looked like pippen would be traded to the Toronto Raptors but once Jordan found out about it he called Krause and refuse to play without pippen he all but deadlocked the Bulls future season if Jordan refused to play without pippen the Bulls had little chance at fielding a winning team. There wouldn't be a sixth championship let alone the dynasty that krause dreamed of Krause realized this and nixed the trade pippen remained with the Bulls but the almost betrayal simmered within him loyalty from one teammate didn't change the fact that the Bulls had nearly kicked him off the team for an unproven rookie. And that he was still underpaid for staying. Right before the nineteen ninety-seven, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight seasons started pin decided to get his passive aggressive revenge. After rupturing the tendon in his foot during the nineteen ninety-seven season, pippen had been considering a repair surgery but hadn't found the best time granted the lengthy recovery and rehabilitation process. But in light of the contract, Saga Pippen decided October nineteen ninety seven was the best time for it to happen. Barely, a month before the season began. He'd end up missing half the season to recover, but that was his way of making a point. He definitely hadn't forgotten or forgiven, and while Jordan understood the root of Pippen's decision. He still disagreed he personally wouldn't have put his own self interest before winning or at least that's what he claimed. But Pippen, had spent almost a decade in Jordan's shadow. He wanted to do things on his own terms now. Pippen returned in January of Nineteen Ninety eight fully aware that this was his final season with the Chicago Bulls. And he wasn't alone. In light of the knowledge that coach Phil Jackson wouldn't likely return either Jordan was readying for his own last season to the thirty five year old star player refused to play for another coach as for thirty eight year old Rodman his future with the Bulls and the NBA was up in the air. The wildcard was considered an old player close to NBA retirement. Age. Plus Rodman had started acting out again, he reigned in his wild ways while he was filling in for Pippin but once his teammate returned Rodman returned to well normal. He requested a forty eight hour Las Vegas vacation in January of Nineteen, ninety eight and skipped postseason practice to wrestle. Hulk Hogan in a Professional Match, the Well Oiled Chicago Bulls machine was collapsing on itself. Jordan Pippen. Jackson, and Rodman knew that this was their final chance to solidify their own legacies as they prepared for the future. With one more win the Bulls could become the first NBA team to achieve two three peats. They'd not only be known for being part of a winning team but a full-fledged dynasty. This was it. On. June Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety eight the team won their sixth NBA Championship. They got their second three peat and their legacy. But once the win was secured and the season was over the Chicago Bulls that fans knew and loved were ripped apart. Pippen stuck around in the NBA but without their identities with the Bulls Jordan and Rodman's time in the sport faded Fast Rodman briefly played for the Dallas Mavericks, but soon, traded basketball for wrestling and Jordan retired from the NBA for the second time. Krause tried to rebuild new and improved shot goebbels team in the two thousands but he never recreated that Magic Johnson ship formula that vaulted the team to greatness in the ninety s in truth many winning teams are created through hard work but there's also an undeniable mixture of luck and sheer talent that builds extraordinary teams. The Bulls found that medium in Michael. Jordan. But even superstars have their limits and it seemed like Michael hit his own breaking point long before his comeback one can't help but wonder what the nineteen nineties bowls would have looked like without Jordan's departure for the MLB, his gambling scandals or the scrutiny over his endorsement deals. But unfortunately will never know the Bulls. Heyday is done for good and all we have left is the memory of their former glory. Thanks for listening to the dark side of next week we're delving into teen culture in the nineties you can find more episodes of the dark side of for free on spotify not only despite if I already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker just open the APP and type the dark side of in the search bar. We'll see next time. The dark side of was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios. 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Larsa on Kimye, Sin-sational Affair & Takes Two to Tango  Nightly Pop 11/09/2020

Nightly Pop

21:02 min | 2 weeks ago

Larsa on Kimye, Sin-sational Affair & Takes Two to Tango Nightly Pop 11/09/2020

"Tonight on nightly just feel like conway was in a place where he you know. He really didn't trust anyone with kimberly. Little bike stench of life hunter march. What is with you. don't need to see him personally. Love meeting the friends charm. Everybody around because manipulative. Yeah slide into bed with us starting right now neilly pop. Our long national nightmare is no. I'm not talking about the election. I'm talking about you know what i'm talking about you guys. I'm talking about missing you all weekend. Thank god it's monday and we can be reunited job of staying and communication over the weekend with the three of us. Okay let's get into it unless you have been living under a rock. You know kim and her. Bff larson pippen had a falling out. There's been a ton of rumors as to why their friendship went south and flash forward to today lawsuit on the hollywood rob podcasts to reveal who she blames for the whole mess i just feel like conway Was in a place where he you know. He really didn't trust anyone with kim. Used to call me at four five and six o'clock in the morning. And i was like the person that would take his calls at four or five and six in the morning when he wanted to rant and i would listen to him and i'd be like i love you. You're the bass like things will get better like. I was his go to person to call when he wasn't happy with x. y. and z. How that turned. Maybe because i blocked him on my phone so then he turned that until like she's this she's that unlike the they all started to like ride his way. Whoa wait a minute. Whoa that were some parts. See this part hollywood raw at its ross right there yeah okay so our was ever a true friend. Obviously we know the girls have been closed for a really long time. Does this break the friend code forever. Or is she allowed to tell her her side of the story. I do you largely to me is not the most believable person. I'm not saying she's a liar. She might be a little liar adjacent. No i don't know. I just i don't trust what she says because i feel like she has a motive messenger. She's a little upset. She's outside the circle. She wasn't able to go to the private island. Jerry pippen and jordan. Oh my god. When worth reverend scottie. Pippen was so good voice that goes at about one and a half miles per hour. You're going to love scott. Be quite this law but i think this would obviously break a friendship for me. I mean this is. This is how i feel i have. I have fallen out with friends and nobody. Nobody knew it like we may have followed each other. Whatever but nobody was like. Oh i i can tell you in this person out because regardless of where we are currently at work i still respect the friendship and the love that we had in the things that we share. Because when you say connie's columbia two or three in the morning that's very easily put out. Because nobody's husband should be calling their friends at two three in the morning unless they want that ashby on both sides. That is a violate. Yeah i agree. Likely to the whole. How veritas sixteen. I need a hurricane right now. The friends play. Like you keep your boundaries. How am i excited. Talk about this next story about what you think all right so dancing with the stars pro. Gleb savchenko weeding out. After his wife accused him of ongoing infidelity and multiple affairs. he tells the e quote. I will not stand by and allow false accusations at internet rumors. Go unaddressed. My relationship. With chris l. was and remains strictly platonic the selling sunset star. Chrishell says the same guys. What do you think. Do you think that this is a platonic relationship. The ex wife does go into detail and say separated wife. She went into detail and said there have been multiple affairs over the course of their fourteen year relationship and there was a recent of fair that has sort of push them over the edge why she is no longer choosing to stay with the problem. Is i think the union relationship especially as a guy in the industry. I think it's really important to build boundaries for yourself because men are naturally idiots we are. We are very controlled. Well nobody i. I even think like you put this man in a situation like that. And they're not gonna cheat necessarily but they're going to have the thoughts dash every day. I think anybody would. Anybody would think about their rehearsals right. And i've gone backstage and reported from dancing with the stars in the past. It's even just like playing around. I've done like a dance routine and you are very intimate with this person. And you know. And i've been there like i think about it if not that. That's what happened with them. The point of it is to have a connection. The other thing a part of your score is to make. It seem like you feel comfortable with one. Another there is a relationship is very intimate to be so close somebody jordan. I have watched. A few episodes have never watch dancing with the stars. But of course corona. I have now been binging dancing with the stars. And even the way the couple's damn partners hold each other when they're waiting for their throwers is extremely intimate. I mean the way they hug. After i mean if i was sitting at home my husband was on that show. I don't know how comfortable i mean. Some of the girls are jumping into their arms. It's it's it's history on this cheaper on this show have notoriously dated engaged. One of the judges dated the damn. If you remember. Vowel started dating ambrose after she was on the show. Like yes it happens. It's all it's just like being someone's love interest on movie the it starts to like the the lines start to get crossed. You would have been hit that. Oh my god. Are you kidding me my wife before i got really bad news partner with. Let's start thinking about how we're gonna separate because i'm going to all right thing. Large adding more awkward for pastor to the car lengths this week as the woman. He allegedly cheated with came forward. You're so bad. She told me that he was an unmarried sports agent when she went on to say. Yeah yeah yeah. He didn't even say it was a pastor. He was a sports agent and then she went on to say that they love each other and dated for more than five months before they broke up. Okay this is the girl that he dated this girl. Wise months allegedly. Do you guys should meet somebody hundred manchester by way hundred. Dig my at this point on k love you but what are we ruling out as you now dating someone like who are you not experimenting with. I am definitely herdman rationalize sleeping with pretty much. Anybody this guy is a pastor a public pastor a pastor to celebrities with a visible relationship with his wife and kids. Like what the king he he he. He's always preaching about. I've followed him on instagram. He gives really great sermons and he's always preaching about like self control and you know forgiveness. He need a lot of it. I like that when he was thinking when he met her he was like. What's like a more like attractive sounding thing than pastor something more believable faithful person and it was sports agent lease faithful person. I could physically myself. So i'm the lead singer of a rock band in the eighty s. Why would tell her that. I want you guys to know that we've reached out to lens for haven't we're gonna pray for him and finally big weekend for our country and while we try to remain neutral. We fully endorse hunter. March andy believable. It's a joke. Apparently he led a load of his chest. Telling in touch magazine. Going to the gym is meant. Believe this going to the gym is meant for more than chesler. That's exists shapes yourself discipline okay. Let me clarify so put destiny back up let me read the actual sizing shapes yourself discipline lifts your spirits and your mind be clear so the rest of the decisions and your fill easy. Oh you hustle. Out of there wasn't theft disgusting. Okay say this guy saliba sammer. Can i say something about the statement wave. I started me on it. And i gave like i said my manager. Five of the snarky. Most unlike that i couldn't and she was like you have to be serious. Like my first thing was like. I think it's all genetics could have a high metabolism. Good luck people. We have to take a break. I'll leave coming up the housewives fight over a missing boyfriend them back to nightly the ladies on real housewives of potomac started to question gels man. Jamal ford never being around and of course. This didn't go down well proud of abuse. He's very much proud of the probe man woman. I'm sorry. has anyone seen jamal. So you don't need to see him praised father. God knows what i'm hearing from. You now is a very to think about it. If you're in a relationship that you're happy about like why wouldn't you that with their friends. When we share our men with each other sound like what she thought at seven. I get what she made. That was. Yeah we all do. Hundreds mind is in the gutter if you are close friends with somebody. You're a group of girls. Your men are there except for somebody's man who is not there. That would be weird for me. I would definitely talk about that. It would be. I would at least i think there's good reason i mean he has a history of infidelity and i think she's listen. I think if you go back to a man that has been known to cheat. You're scared that he's going to do it again. You're scared of the one thing of woman doesn't want top two things she doesn't want to be cheated on and she does not want to be embarrassed. And there's a reason she's not kind of like leaving him in on purpose because she knows eventually she don't have to play damage control. Sure that make sense. Excuse his like. But i think this relationship even harold father said this guy. Yeah i personally love meeting the friends. I'd like to try and charm everybody around because you're manipulative. Yeah because i like to make my way to meet. Would it be able to call them know. I think it's evaluation with hunter. He wants to be liked by his girlfriend's friend's he wants to be liked by his. You want it you want to feel included heavy liked by friends and family like we all want disastrous kind of him a little bit. I feel bad for the fact that was els in a relationship where she doesn't feel comfortable to show her man. I mean she's incredibly not the only thing that matters but if he's not acting i don't think this woman is in a position where she needs to put up with that she needs to have a man. That's going to be there. That's gonna love her. That's going to support her. And that's gonna show up with the rest of the girls. I agree with you. it's just time to like get yours. No one hundred percents agreed. Be able to show you all. That agreed one hundred percent. Somebody will treat you right if i want my partner to be able to carry around my edition of in touch weekly. Show me off to all of her girlfriends and say look at this week's man candy woman wants to show them little abso- yes the action continued. You can frame take on k. Talk if you're brave enough to shoot your shot and don't do it with amber riley's a woman sent a message to ambrose. Boyfriend says good morning handsome. Have a blessed day ever message. You're back with a picture of herself. Saying we will think then. She said anybody else want to wish us a good morning. Hashtag many okay. So what do you think of ambro. Patrolling her boyfriend's. Dm's was this. Was this the perfect response. How do you handle this law. amber. I'm happy for her. And her man like there are announced during quarantine that they were together so new relationships. So do i think she's patrolling her man's dams like that probably not. He obviously shared this with her because they clearly have a good relationship and she thought it would be funny like more than anything. I think this is funny. But i do think there's an air of truth to it that she she didn't want women to know. I do think when a man is with a famous woman a prominent woman that more women tend to go for him when they see in a relationship. And he's with a girl. Like i think more women get thirsty because i think there's a little bit of this. Oh it won't hurt to send a dm as opposed to sending a damn to some single guy who's like you know you get in his dams really thousand percent and some people are just trifling. Who's already she cut out the name as you can see. You can't see who sent it. But i'm ninety nine percent sure lee michelle stop so. This was over martha stewart. There is a new gardening guru. Martha the internet is accessible gardening with. He is starting his fall garden and we are ready to throw with him. Was so your issue boy. Google and i'm live in the garden. Love right now getting ready to start my fall guard. Ruge gonna try to grow some more kale's guy. We got some spinach. We got some rutabagas. Put a lot of people throw around this word organic. But a lot of stuff is being made in laboratories. We're going to feed our plants with this natural fertilizer. And i'll be giving you guys update on how this tomato plant is going to be doing in the next couple weeks. Oh my god can. I just say this. I found this over the weekend. And he's since florida. He became like a local celebrity just because of the gardening and like actually giving these amazing tips. But i just love that. Like i i want to say black. People are not a monolith. So i don't think that people always think of a black do from florida with a grill playing hip hop and they don't think that he would be gardening guru but he is very great and hope he his own show because he's fascinating but he really gives good tips and i just love to see people shy. I can't wait to see those tomatoes like in two to three weeks. The tomatoes are amazing. They do taste like salmon a little bit. Just they got a funky smell to All right up next outdoor role play and cats with weeks stomachs. There goes the neighborhood. Isn't it the maximum bob. There are a lot of people who live next door. That are doing some stupid you guys and thankfully for us. Instagram page. Neighbors from hell exposes it all so it's time for those okay. This couple is into some king. They were having sex outside and notice their neighbor's kid peeping them afterwards. They also discovered he stole some of their sex toys so they told his parents on him. Now how would you guys handle this situation. It's tricky because i feel like if your house you should be able to have sex wherever you want to like. I don't feel like you ever think about your neighbors necessarily like be respectful. But like if you know the issue you want to spend your backyard. You should be able to yeah to me. I've got a set of rules that i live by their called. Dill do's and don'ts and this is a deal. Don't i think they should have been a little more careful with where they had sex just because they know they have not only neighbors. The neighbors with small children. Well how does that mean. Well that's the thing i mean. I understand the neighbors that the people that were having sex outside. It's their risk of sex outside. They actually be spied on if they feel like. That's a part of the king is that they get off on fight but what hit wants to take someone's were unclear. Awesome sauce some things about anatomy. They didn't understand. So apparently the boy stole a pair heels gag and the plug. Who'd put him back. Then you want to take it to the house all right. So how about this as a group do think that this is a do or a not answering that question next. This person is taking a catch. Add way too seriously you guys us county. He left his tv on really loud and his neighbor. Let him know okay. So the cat dad said too bad. His cat can't handle the barking. Dogs in complex ended up his stomach. Work it out. How would you handle the situation. I just read to you very this bill. Do i protect my my pet over the neighbors. But i think there's a limit to how loud you can keep your stuff like okay to have it on but if it really is impeding upstairs right now. Who's driving me wild. Why he's got a dog bone across like the little patio. It's right above my bedroom at night. Like three a m clump and the dude got to be like one hundred ninety pounds. And he's like. I think he's got this. I went upstairs to meet him. Because i was like an it was i was like hey man. I think dogs doing this. Big guy scary. He's got like the not only the wife beater but the fifty cent white beater that's straight across and then it goes up spaghetti. Strap his doormat said bitch. Don't wear no shoes in my house. Roddy rich i swear to god you don't you just tell the management. That's why i think the person should do. I'm not in an apartment. But when i was i would tell the management because i know once. I say something if it's if it's not received well i don't have the capacity to back down. I think that's what you have management for. You got them. This person is going to be violating the league's. Let them deal with it so they can do go up to the spaghetti. Strap roddy rich dude. And you don't have to yet okay. This is a great extra. Right shoulder should not be scared. Yeah that's tilton forward perspective. They'll say something all right. You would want to go up with you. might be. He goes into back. It's okay well. Let's let's go hand reading and this person crossed all kinds of boundaries. They use their neighbors hidden key to go into their house to borrow some milk for their coffee. When the all the neighbors said it was scary that they broke into their apartment. But this person said they didn't break in they use. The key is sprawled on every level. You having access in my spare key doesn't get to use it whenever you want to come in and get snacks. Yeah see to me. That's like that's what you you went through my underwear. Something weird weird. You don't come up in my place and tiptoe around and not touch anything else like this person went through their staff. Probably mill to me. That's already kind of a red flag. Drink it black being. Because that was because they didn't really want milk for their coffee wanted to come in and do some weird neighbors a weirdo. You need to move the key. And they need to be cussed out. Yeah yeah. I never said not a chance that they really did come in for milk and they didn't smell any underwear that into anything weird. Why not text and say. Hey i need can i go in. Can i use your key to go in i. I'd say no depends on how cool i am with the neighbor. I'm really friendly with my neighbors. You know how friendly into your house when not there just to get milk for their zeal. I don't think the way you said it. If you were closed and you feel comfortable. They've been in your house. This doesn't seem clearly with the miscommunication with how down. Clearly these people are not that. Close all right. We're out of time. We have a good show tomorrow. We're back tomorrow night. Nine eleven thirty pm with an all new episode and do not forget to see them on your dvr.

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The Biggest Things Missing From The Last Dance

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

53:05 min | 6 months ago

The Biggest Things Missing From The Last Dance

"Well Danny and I had to come on and I said we wouldn't be on until Monday but the last dance is over. I watched it with my wife. She really enjoyed it. I can probably state that I wet. Nine for ten on the Trivia exit might have been it might have been four or five camera. Only got one of them wrong. Did the little like sponsored by facebook Trivia questions but it's over and out feels kinda sad. Actually I was. I was enjoying just having something that everyone was paying attention to that. We can all comment on at the Guy. A really missed that aspect of sports And I I have to admit the montage at the end. I thought was really well done that. Kinda got me a little bit with my Dig Out my lost youth and just like how awesome. It is being in a stadium with all those people and feeling that energy and not being able to feel that now. I definitely was a in my feelings. A little bit about that but Nobody cares about me. They care about the last dance. So do you have anything that you wanted to to sum up that you've taken away at someone? I know if you're listening to talk about this. For the first time I grew up in Chicago during the nineties. Danny didn't really become a huge Basketball nerd until the mid two thousand so he didn't live those times more than just as a casual fan. So I i WanNa hear ultimately like what your take on it. I think that the the biggest thing for me it goes back to a occur. I attribute this to Ethan Truitt Strauss but going back to tyrod Kobe Bryant. Which was that Ethan noted and I? I noticed this through throughout my early career as well that Kobe was very aware of how his words were being used and was was and I don't mean this in a negative way was very engaged in in myth making and storytelling and making sure that the that all of those things fit together and what was so interesting to me about. This was from various things. One of the notable ones in the recent upsets was the the attempt to redefine the flu game as the as the food poisoning game or the pizza gave him whatever. There'd be like a little reporting on that sure sure but like the of the twentieth anniversary of someone asked about it. Yeah I there. Were a few things like that where you realized how much there was a void that was filled in that time that a water players. Lebron Koby before his before his retirement and passing that that more players are more cognizant of the now in. They do a more active job filling that I don't know if it's PR departments as well. How all of that fits together. Also players generally I would guess have more people involved in their brand and conscious of the stuff. That's something's part of social media to so there was a lot of redefinition that I thought was fascinating and also one of the other big takeaways for me. I've heard that the last episodes of this were edited after the show. After they started airing and I have a feeling that's part of why Jerry Krause positive stuff caught in there was because they realized that it it kind of rang poorly in the early episodes that he wasn't not only not there to defend himself but the way that was done and then to go in a little bit of a different direction before the Jordan. Reinsdorf thing at the very end. Oh we'll get to that. Don't worry Yeah mean the cross thing definitely and this is one thing we definitely have to talk about. Casey Johnson. When you read all these things has been posting. Experts with the Cross Family Permission Cross died in twenty seventeen and with the Cross family permission. They've posted experts of it. Kind of a documentary of an autobiography is writing. I'm not sure you mentioned that. Yeah Yeah yes all right And so he basically explained why from basketball standpoint. They broke things up A. I think we can talk about that but to me. I thought that Reinsdorf ultimately gave it away when he said it would have been suicidal to bring all these guys back that to me was he just didn't want to pay for is now. Dennis Rodman was Kinda done. I don't know how effective you could have been. But he played the next two years and was just a huge problem. He couldn't conform even enough to like beyond the team in La and Dallas the next two years and Steve Kerr basic was never really a major rotation player getting one of the next year in San Antonio but he didn't really figure and it wasn't in the rotation pippen side he signed like a seven year. Max Deal in a sign and trade which Now as it was less I think it was. He would have been six years. was a five five years because it expired in two thousand and three and then he had a swansong with the Bulls when he basically wasn't healthy and that was it for him but So that was probably in terms of his any he was on. Yeah and it was. It was sixty seven million over five years. Okay yeah thanks. So which was I think? Probably the MAC salary at that point yet they actually not remember that was before inspired by Lebron. They changed the sign and trade rules so that players couldn't make more via sign and trade back then you could and so the. Bulls structuring it. That way allowed pippen make more money not that it was some sort of humanitarian thing for them. They benefited from it. But it is what happened. Well and so luke. Longley's can be a free agent two and cross points this out in his thing that Luke. They're really concerned about his ankles. Crossed describes a meeting. Where just like everyone really had k? Scott he's going to need a second surgery in two years he's going into his mid thirty S. Mj still going But he's he's GonNa come back But you know. We don't really have Rodham Dennis. Dennis Robin Down with WANNA bring him back for that amount of money. They definitely had it within their control though to bring all those guys back. They had full bird rights on them. They could've brought them all back. But I think REINSDORF ARE. He knew the price on. Mj was going to be over thirty million dollars again. Because he'd been in ninety-seven he made thirty million and then ninety eighty made thirty three million so they knew the price that is going to be big even after the lockout. All the old salaries were grandfathered in and so I am pretty sure that Jay Reinsdorf even with the Bulls being terrible. Those next five years made more money than he would if he had brought back Jordan and pippen because they are just they had the TV deal they had sellouts forever and ever and just because of the Bulls Brand. And they had preachy payrolls. They were trying to get salary. Cap Space and rebuild in the summer of two thousand and so well I could tell to tell a short story on that So back when I was a ticket broker you know years and years ago. This is in twenty eleven. Somebody told me that the Bulls were still the had the highest season ticket holder base of any of any team in the NBA like in terms of proportion of the arena might've been proportion combined with price and you think about how what they had gone through during that time now like. I mean basically that the idea was that that have been persistent the polls happen to be very good and twenty eleven as as you all remember but it was that idea that they basically set themselves up as as a team that people wanted to see even when they were terrible so that leads to something different than like what. Donald Sterling did. Which was you know? Have a cheap team. But also people weren't going but they still make more money because the revenue sharing and all that the bulls were in a distinctively different part. But I I think that where you're getting out with can versus will is also interesting because of the way Michael Jordan pivoted which I also think was incorrect. Which was this idea that? Oh everybody would have come back on one year contracts if you ask them. I think a lot of people would have so I mean. That's I think a lot of it to me is this pip. They didn't WanNa give pipped sixty seventy right he. I don't think he was coming back for one year. I mean when you think you would have been foolish of him. I mean it'd be eighteen million and he could get sixty seven million. It'd be incredibly. Don't come back I mean. Now if they're like okay one year twenty five million okay but I don't think that would have been the deal right and so it would have been so I think the the answer is I think closer to Jordan side. It was a choice by Ryan store not to do it. It wasn't and and cross gets into this idea of like. Oh it would be be better different teams. There have been plenty of franchises. That have put good money after bad to try and remember that Bulls team would have been competitive for championship. Maybe they would've lost the spurs ended up winning that we can talk about that in ninety nine and compelled piece on that which will and there are numerous other other parts of this but it is something distinctly different. And when you what what to me and you and I talked about this after episodes one and to the last dance that this was all telegraph. It wasn't something that they own got into the moment. And you know Jordan gets injured and and the lockout and everything and they don't know krause and Reinsdorf knew this going into that year. The whole crazy thing that they said Phil Jackson will not be back as the coach even instore after the season when offered him Iraq. They like to to basically say it's over as early as they did. That tells you what they wanted. And that's what they were GONNA do. Yeah I think that's that's pretty obvious to me and go SAM. Smith will tell you that Phil felt like he was ready to move on. There's also the issue of Jordan slicing up his hand. Yes when he's on vacation in the Bahamas that happened like two weeks before the lockout ends remember everybody else will be interesting to see day of like if there weren't a lockout. How might that have changed things? It was if you're making these decisions fifteen days after you just won the championship as opposed to nine months after you just won the championship or seven months and also remembering that the chronology of this is very difficult like mid. They would have to have very clear understanding from like Jordan. And all these other to do it because if they reassigned some of the other players early in George doesn't come back then you're completely screwed or with pippen lights teams have done it. Like moving pieces are is absolutely possible. But it's very important to have all those ducks row because the value of Rodman and her and Phil Jackson even is very different as if everyone's together or if you lose important pieces so and if Jordan is like knows that he's GonNa play and he's getting ready for the season maybe he's not in the Bahamas. He doesn't slice his Hamdi but indications were that he would have missed two months at the start of the season if they had brought him back at that time and KP did a projection of what it would have looked like for. That team in. The east was not amazing that year like Miami was the number one seed. They ended up getting beaten the first round by the Knicks. The Knicks make the finals without Patrick Ewing but they also had a crazy upset win over the pacers who had been their biggest competition the year before so the Bulls would have been certainly right in the mix. I think just with Jordan. Whoever they coulda cobbled together at that point I mean they probably could have brought back. Kerr Longley was a free agent. They made the right decision clearly. Do not re signed him because he just never did anything in I in Phoenix and then in New York and Cross correctly pointed that out that his ankles were And Rodman you know. Maybe he would have just been totally ineffective coach. Still would have been there so they still could had Jordan pippen coach. I mean that's probably enough to compete in the east. I do have a feeling that the that spurs team was really really good. I think they could have had problems with that. Spurs team at remember. The jazz actually lost to Portland in the semifinals before they even get to San Antonio but that San Antonio team was nasty way better point differential than anybody else in the league. Yeah I think the Spurs team in terms of point differential was would have been the second strongest opponent that the Bulls had faced during the Jordan era are during the during the finals during the finals. Run Yeah and I mean the Bulls did not wouldn't have had really a great match up. I wouldn't have had home court probably. Yeah so that's it. Would it would have been interesting but I mean it would have been a I think they. It's not like the Bulls. Did anything that you're like. It'd be one thing if it was the thing that people were so cognizant of at that time was the Celtics Danny Ainge. Still talks about this. Now of they just basically road bird and Mikhail and perish into the ground. Reggie Lewis pass away. We talked about that last week and then they were just bad for ten years after that. And so the Bulls. Didn't they were like the cautionary tale? We all WanNa be these guys And but it's not like pippen was going to be a free agent anyway. They couldn't get anything for him. In a trade Jordan was everybody relevant was a free agent. So it's not like you had this path of you could've traded pippen. They had talked about maybe trading him around the time of the ninety seven draft. But they're like no. We need to go win a championship again this year. We can't do that so we'll end up. We're going to e- rebuilds when you basically have a bare cupboard. Take a long time. I mean that's something that you're not getting out and some of these battle plans that we've been doing like when we talked about the Knicks. And if he's editing. Is that when when you're building and they they lost those players they head coach still but they did. It wasn't like they had these developmental players. That were that. Were going to lead the future. So they needed to get draft picks and then have those guys mature and being. That didn't even work particularly well. Thanks again to hymns for sponsoring today's program. 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That's what a cross talked a lot about that in that piece which I encourage all of you to read but across the course loyal man to the end doesn't ever mention the idea of money and that's what I go back to her Ryan sorts of say no it would have been suicidal to do that. Like suicidal. How I I talk about. That's the only way and so yeah. They would have been worse than they were no. Obviously they wouldn't have been worse than the were and they. It wasn't like they had other players that we're going to be more expensive there. Sometimes there are teams where you get ratcheted up into the stratosphere because you're young players are on the rookie scale contracts and then they get paid in your other guys that are still on the books the bulletin half guys like that from what I understand and I'm pretty sure I'm right. So they didn't have this escalation. It was just that they didn't want to continue going in is piece a few things that I thought were incorrect. Like was he said. Oh is the capitals. Were prevented from re-signing guys like Kerr and log like no. That's not true like yet Fulford rights you could recite them I mean it's it's so funny right. There's always it's as old as time immemorial the snow job on You know we can't afford it. We couldn't do it. Those sorts of things like no. You can do it it just what it costs money. It costs money. Yeah and I think that part of it was disheartening. Krause was definitely interested in the ownership in general manager pulling in the same general direction for different reasons. I would say REINSDORF. I'm guessing it was more financial and krause the excitement of building a team. I mean you whenever we do the fake thing when get asked unpatriotic of Oh what would be most interested in? We're not interested in a job where the team is already done. You want to build a new team and you WANNA YOU WANNA try to figure out how to how to do it from there and I'm sure that was a part of it for him as well and there was this perfect storm where everyone was kind of coming up at the same time and so. I'm sure that for different reasons. They were excited about the possibility that was coming. But that is doing so doing that when you just want a third consecutive championship. Have the greatest player of all time in even if you don't fully rent back. Heavy reasonable shot of winning another championship. That that's the other part of that you talked about like. Oh what are you giving it up for? The other part is what are you giving up like? This isn't giving up the ghost and maybe you're GONNA make the first round or maybe even they can get to the conference finals if they're lucky and then you get there like that is not the team that they maybe. They wouldn't have won the championship. But they were in the mix dothan across cross says that I don't find it credible and REINSDORF taught about it to the city. Oh we'll fill didn't WANNA coach rebuilding team like you had Michael Jordan. You're not a rebuilding right. Jackson didn't want to coach after Michael Jordan was God and so like crosses just saying like. Oh Phil already said that. He made the decision to leave eight months before the meeting. I still I I don't really sense was cut out a little bit too but it really strikes me as like okay Jordan and pippen coming back. I mean it seemed very yeah. I agree that that Phil Jackson didn't want to coach rebuilding team. But you had the choice of whether it was going to be rebuilding team or not so that. It's it's it's putting the causation wrong. It's Atoll Judy. Yeah it's an also though I will say this like I mean maybe. Mj Just you notice. And they didn't show Phil Speech at that nine hundred ninety eight but he says he said basically runs the unprinted comeback. And he's like this was our last dance and you know he's like very clear about that an mg was like Oh. You don't know what's going to happen to you. I could be back while I he. But whether he's just too much of a team guy says I mean he's to me he should have been like. Hey you know like you owe to me. I WANNA come back. The reason I'm not going back is because Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't WanNa pay everyone and he's being cheap and I mean he really should have just gone on the offensive to their their their enemies. That that Jordan conspicuously didn't make during his career but Reinsdorf I mean yeah he'd Reinsdorf did pay him during the baseball years but he could have I mean Jordan had the cachet the Gravitas to do that he wouldn't have been the villain here. No so I I ultimately I think I would put it more on Reinsdorf than cross and cross. If he's thinking about the long term future of the franchise I could see not wanting to give out those countries like those. All the countries they're talking about would have been bad contras eventually So I have a top four things that I wish that I thought were omitted from the documentary and should have been in chronological order here. Nineteen Ninety ninety-two game. Six against the blazers completely not mentioned that the Bulls start the fourth quarter down fifteen at home in game six. Michael Jordan is on the bench and they basically make nearly the entire comeback from fifteen dollars. Bobby Hansen hit a three stacey king. Probably like it's only good. Five minutes in a bulls. Uniform of Scott Williams was was awesome. Pippen was out there and they have this whole comeback until they're down like two or four or something by the time energy gets back in and then he helps them close it out but tonight even mentioned that I mean that's like that's like one of the greatest comebacks in a game in NBA history and to do it without driving. That's just like there are a few things because it was you know Jordan was the central figure and he obviously had. I'm sure veto power over anything that was going to be in and he was the one who had to say. Yes for this footage to get used. I'm not saying that he he was like. Don't put that in there. But it's just like you got to put that in like even if you just say two lines or someone talks about it or whatever I mean. That's like up players one of the players. That was a part of it. Or even have phil do it because he you know yeah. Connection with with bench players and support players is is always a part of a coaching job and then in the same vein Jordan the l the whole Atlantic City thing ninety three during the Knicks series. And it was like okay. He's GonNa stop talking to the pissed off now. Then the Bulls won four straight shot three for eighteen. In game. Three the Bulls went by twenty because they play unbelievable. Defense and Pippen has like one of his best games a bullet. All the role players really came through Jordan. He got the following a lot but he shot three for eighteen in this game when they're down to never even gets mentioned and then they go and then the next thing that he plays. The four point game is one of the all-time Great Playoff Games. If you go back and watch the highlights of that game I mean he's hitting just impossible shots over great defense every single time that Nixon Fours one of the greatest defense fulltime So I thought that was really like a glaring omission. Same type of again Next one that I couldn't believe wasn't in there was the Hue Hollins Clo- Oh yeah. You talked about this on twitter. Yeah I posted video of it and I asked people who were new to the play to see whether it a fall and basically you at that time. You didn't have the protection for shooters as far as like the landing zone and also the I mean there's still as far as I know the rules so the same as far as like the high five contact. 'em The ball is clearly out of Hubert. Davis is hands me. It's very grainy footage. Obviously but but you can see grains Yup Yup like the ball is clearly out of his hand before pippen makes any kind of contact with his hand and PIPPA doesn't come anywhere close to hitting his leg ranting. He's coming across many angle and Davis. Mrs. Schott Boozer up one with under five seconds left. They'RE GONNA win game five and that for Davis hit hit two clutch free throws but that was a call where people went insane. There wasn't really we never really got amazing replay of it. There's one from the baseline view where you can't see it. On the telecast huby broad thing like oh he sees why the call was made but yeah I I will say I hadn't seen it before and it didn't look like a to me. Yeah I wish I wish there were a better angle but from the ones I saw. It didn't look like Oh well and this is ninety four. Obviously when when Jordan has gone a so they they win that series. Almost certainly bulls win game six at home if they win that they ended up. Losing game seven I don't think they win the championship that year although they're really the only great team in the NBA that year was the sonics and they lose after going up to. Oh they blow the lead. They lose to the nuggets and Houston goes on. Its Houston with the only other team in the League. That it was really. I think the high fifties and winds but I think that Houston series. Pry would have favored. Houston they would've had by far the best player. Akeem was the best player in the League. I would say when Jordan was gone during those years. So and the Bulls had Wennington Luc Longley and Will Perdue Center. Which would they struggled to deal with them? A little bit. But I mean it's possible. They could have won that series. I'm not saying they would've won the championship but it would have been a bigger deal if they get to the conference finals. I think they they could have matched up pretty well with the Pacers in that conference finals. So SO I. I was shocked. That wasn't mentioned at all. And instead they decided to focus on the one point. Eight seconds and if anything. I thought they were too kind to. Scotty I mean as I think about that because I mean I remember. I watched that game and when I didn't notice because I was a thirteen year old. That Scottie Pippen wasn't in the game I saw coach. Hit the shot but number one. It absolutely was the right call to go to CUCO. Yes it was a quick really shot. Yeah he had. He was six eleven. He had beat shots. Like that before. Scotty was not great at getting a jump. Shot off off the dribble. He didn't have the quickest more versatile release he couldn't really create separation. He didn't have like a a great. Eighteen usually only take that if he was wide open and coach made a great shot. He was the guy that they should have gone to. That didn't mean he was the best player on the team. He wasn't but in that specific situation. When you needed to get a shot off. It should have got him and obviously it was right because he fucked shop and also worth noting that Pete Myers who replaced. Pippen makes an unbelievable inbounds pass to the free. Throw line to Tony. Cuco choose being like half fronted by Anthony Mason. Who was awesome defender m? The past was just amazing. Took him right into the shot the over his right shoulder so I mean pippen was a great passer also but I. The past that was thrown was perfect. So I don't know Scotty pippin would've actually thrown as good of a pass as Pete Myers did we. Would you got pippen? Not as the inbounder in that situation more of a it seems to me like that was part of what made him agreed was that they couldn't even think of it. Maybe so but here's the thing has anything in. Nba history like that ever happened other than that incident. Not that I know of not even close. I've never heard of anything. Even close wouldn't go in the game now especially in that kind of circumstance. It's not just like some throwaway regular season game or something like that. This is the playoffs while now. The one analog to that is two thousand fifteen game for Bulls cavs David. Blatt draws up the play with Lebron as the inbounder and the brain is like not fuck. It were running this. And then he then he hits a huge shot Over Jimmy Butler that like saved that series for the cavs. They were about to go down three one in that series. I think the game was actually tied at that point. I want to say but that's the only equivalent I can think of but I mean even just saying like no fucking run this for me like even that is better than just sitting out. I mean that's like so incredibly passive aggressively. You just have and they did. They did a good job talking about the teammates but is kind of amazing to me that that they were able to cross that bridge. Eventually I mean you need to get back actually like Finished the series and have pippen b-be as important a player as he was in the NBA is popular. It seems like as he is as he is among the other players that were on. That team. Jordan was on that team but Yeah I mean I guess it was so out of character for him but so so that's the second point I wanted to get to those. Like why did he do it? And the thing that I if you grew up playing basketball in the ninety s and then you saw the way that the conversation changed because of Michael Jordan. The way that Basketball Changed Kobe. Bryant his legacy Y- as kind of the the next guy trying to take up Jordan's mantle before Michael Jordan. There wasn't this feeling of okay. The last shot has to go to the best player in an isolation every time they didn't that wasn't how it used to be played out part of it was because just an isolation didn't work as well adding part of it was just. There wasn't even this idea of like okay. We're GONNA run the time down and get the last shot at the end. You're like that strategy of all but this idea of like okay. We're just going to give the ball to this guy and he's GonNa dribble out top and shoot a jumper as time expires. And that's what you run at the end every play you give the body. Your best player ends a huge affront to not do that like that didn't really happen especially part of it. I think too. Is that the best players were centers. Until you couldn't really do that we come And then when Jordan and even magic like both teams would have just run a play in that situation and and you know they might run a play to get a guy open off the ball or whatever. But there wasn't this like who's GonNa take the last shot who's GonNa take the shot and I think with Jordan's heroics in the late eighties especially I think it really came in after he hit the shot against Cleveland. And it's like Oh man he's just so clutch he makes all these crazy shots like and so then it was like art. It's it's the best players right to do this. This is what you do at the any game and so as pippen had seen them do that for Jordan for so long. There's this idea that like that's what you do your best player and this idea that him like viewing it as this personal affront. That like oh. He's earned the right to take that shot. It's like you're trying to actually win the game. It's not about but like you could be a great player and not be we're GONNA throw it into you with one second left on the clock near shoot like an impossible fade away. That's not your game so it was. It was insane that he did that end. It's just there's there's no. It's I've never heard anything like that. I don't know of any level Pascal. Frankly when you think about if happened now the firestorm that would occur and justifiably. So I mean it's there are a lot of things in this that I've I've had the you know the more modern perspective on of what if this happened now I mean you could even in this one? I mean there was previously Dennis Rodman Vegas thing in this when there was the Rodman going skipping practice to in WCW but pippen not being on the court refusing to come in. The game is one of a that unlike the Phil Jackson saying he's not going to be back after this year. Like those are the types of things that just don't happen anymore and didn't a lot of times didn't happen before. Yeah you know I I. I'm of two minds about this whole. Oh what if this happened? Today would be an even bigger firestorm thing. I I do think that there's in some ways now because of the media environment and because everyone just has so much better idea of what everyone else is doing that. There's more of an understanding of just how fucking bat shit crazy that was and the same thing with like the way. That krause was hired in Nineteen eighty-five. Hey you want me to be the GM for the Bulls Scout for the white sox at like. If that were the process back then people would have been like what you know. What the hell there have been all this reporting live professional the professionalization of organizations I mean. That's that's something that comes up in the An- not not to denigrate what they did like Red Auerbach running a so much competent organization than everyone else in how that field the Celtics success for a long time. And I mean plenty of teams could still use some more professionalization. That's for damn sure of. Oh I forgot to mention this to on the Hue hollins thing. I had this in my notes to shut mentioned it Darell Garretson was wrapping that game and he was a partner of Hue Hollins and he says as he actually retired from being a referee after that and became like this horrendous official and he actually said in the media at the start of the next season that the quote was his quote was all I can say is. It was terrible call. I appreciate the honesty there but man. I mean that's like it was definitely a bad call and the point was made to me while the Bulls like benefited from so many calls and I was like what like what call did they benefit from. That was that if the I mean maybe the Jordan no call on Russell. I'm more along. The lines of Russell never could have stopped his momentum anyway. Yeah it's about play my my stances that you need to create the general standard in those circumstances should be you create an advantage that would not have been created otherwise and I think the advantage would have been created. So it's it's best to be no call and he was going that direction anyway. I so th that game six was one of the few games pre two thousand three that I did. I do remember watching live and I remember the play that the play that got me on that because I didn't know best over will time was the steel Jordan Malone and being like Oh wait that was a a great read and a great vision. That is what gave them kind of the opportunity to make that all happen was to to have enough time and I mean Phil going timeout but getting a steel as opposed to the jazz even getting a shot up when they had the lead so the end screen I also thought was extremely misleading. It says Phil Jackson was replaced. Okay I can buy that. They had this weird thing. Where they're like Tim. Floyd as the coach in waiting but Phil Jackson could still be the coach to be wants to and they didn't want to. Michael Jordan. Went back into retirement. Okay that's true Scottie. Pippen was traded like no. That's totally misleading. He was technically traded but he was signed and traded. You would say like he left as a free agent would be the way that I would phrase that yeah and the. They actually helped him out so he could get more money in the scientists. They didn't get anyone back. Got Some bullshit second round. Pick and like Roy Rogers or something in that trade Also said Dennis Rodman was released also inaccurate. He just his contract expires on track. And then Steve. Kerr was traded again. He was scientists to San Antonio so That was pretty misleading. I mean maybe the guy who went on their looked at basketball reference and saw that or whatever but that seemed incorrect Can I give you some interesting nuggets from the box score? Game Six of the ninety eight finals absolutely so I had it in my head that the pace was seventy two possessions By basketball references calculations. It was actually seventy six. Whoa now hey big spender but that So that's probably about about right and so the up into regions are actually one fourteen and one thirteen in that game Jazz had thirty seven percent offensive. Rebounds Scottie. Pippen plays twenty six minutes on his totally messed up. Back Plus Sixteen four seven from the field eight points only other bull in double figures. Besides Jordan was coach with fifteen points in forty two minutes Scott Burrell over one negative seventeen in ten minutes out presume. Those are mostly minutes. That Jordan didn't play though Jordan Played Morrison that can Yeah I mean Jordan. Played forty three minutes but And then Jordan forty four minutes three of seven from three fifteen of thirty five from the field. Twelve fifteen line forty five point one assists and four steals and Carl Malone actually had a wonderful game in that game thirty one points eleven rebounds and he did it a on only twenty four true shot attempts but any seven says he was awesome in that game but he had the five turnovers including that huge one at the end. Stockton pretty tough game only thirty three minutes. He generally didn't play that many minutes even at that point Like the rotation was usually he would go out and energy was in foul trouble but to had four files but he would go out with six minutes to go in the first and third quarters and Howard is come in for the rest of the time so yeah it was Stockton generally his PLOP. Numbers ARE PRETTY UGLY. Compared to regular season like he was not a great platform only at five assists looking to so it was Pretty Awesome game though. I have something big picture I wanted to ask you. Yeah as a fan. Because you were you were your age and the right mindset to be there how do you how did you feel then? And now. About the unusual circumstances of Jordan missing so many years of was primer prime adjacent for personal choice. I'm not criticizing him for doing it. But that is distinctly unusual. This isn't Barry Sanders retiring or anything like that. Like he took time off and came back like. Do you feel like you know. Especially considering some people use the best career argument as opposed to who was the best individual player. Do you feel like that's the day that you miss that or is it just kind of part of the story? How do you feel about now? And how did you feel that will now appoint was made me? I sat on like a podcast talking about Jordan versus Lebron that Lebron takes a lot of regular seasons often. I was like in Jordan do that. But he literally did take a season to the half off In the middle of his prime to kind of recharge so that that does need to be considered. I mean I didn't I wasn't like mad at him for retiring. I was sad I totally understood with like his dad. The whole like gambling thing. That didn't really reach my consciousness at that point of. I mean I still was a big bulls fan. The next year I watched a bunch of games and watch all the playoff games and but it was so awesome when he was coming back but he was really. I mean I think maybe just because I was a fan strauss talks about this like the Creeping determine ism of like oh it seemed like there are always preordained to win and like when they lost the magic in ninety five after he comes back in like number one Jordan like doesn't look like the best player anymore like you got outplayed by Penny Hardaway. It looked like the magic. Were going to be on top like they were going to cause that had been the way that was too. I remember I. It was the Celtics and then Detroit. It was Detroit's turn. And then it was the bulls after that and then it was like. Oh well it's Orlando's turn now and Orlando was younger. The Bulls were old. They had this huge hole at power forward. So I was like is this like I mean. I guess I'm just GONNA come back. Oh He's GonNa be the same guys three two a year. I didn't have quite as good understanding of like the way basketball players at that point but it clearly was already not in his prime anymore. So I I definitely was like men. There's no one knew that they're going to win seventy games next year and they didn't get Rodman until like right before they had nothing again at power forward that you're like they weren't able to get anyone in the offseason grant. Leaving was a huge blow. Grant killed them in that series of but I did it. Did I answer your question? I think so I think so. Yeah it's it's so it's weird for me because it was fucking awesome when he came back. Yeah but I was just like. Oh my God is he's like is he still going to be? Michael Jordan like they're really. That was not contrived to the Philip Dot was real. I really I. And then he goes seven for twenty eight in his first game and you're much more prone to the narratives at that point. I was like like when Johnny Kerr they showed the the film of in making that shot against Atlanta right before the fifty five point game and Johnny Kerr's like he is now back because he made like this one game winning shot at the end and so I was like hey chat now. He's back because you so much of the narrative at that point was wrapped up in like. Okay it's your mental fortitude. This guy always come through. This guy never comes through. You know I didn't have like as much of an understanding of just the vagaries and the randomness of it. All I do now so I was like. Oh He's back then. He had the fifty five point game. Then has forty eight in the first round against Charlotte. I thought he was like pretty close to back but then they lost a against Orlando anything else. That stuck out to you at all or like things that you didn't know that you're like we were surprised by I. Hadn't I hadn't known before this came up when we talked about one in two. How kind of explicit. A lot of the being over was that the players do and like doing the fill the thing that they talked about the end of it Phil Jackson basically treating it and then put the they all wrote things and spoke and then threw it in through coffee cannon litter on fire like the. The formality like there was there. There was a analogies. Naturally that will be made to the eighteen nineteen word or season. I don't think there was anything public or private as for any of that kind of stuff. Part of that was because a lot of the players were under contract and it was really just Katie leaving and we couldn't have seen what happened in the nineteen twenty season coming but it for a team that wins the championship as the as such a dominant force to just be like. Oh Yeah it's going to be over after this is that still boggles my mind or I will say when I After we recorded after game six last year I was thinking of this With the warriors the to me. They're the closest thing to these bowls with all the south power that they had in the drama and all that It was a shorter time period of course but for it to end with Katie Tearing his Achilles One game and Klay Thompson tearing his ACL the next game and like Strauss than slater like that night at like four am after we all done all all of our work after that game Game Six last year. They came over and we're all just like hang out in like reminiscent because we knew it was. GonNa be over And everything could be totally different did. Didn't realize how different at that time but At least in a basketball sense and so I was struck. That by at least like the. That team had that moment that they talked about. With where like Jordan wrote the poem and like the Phil Jackson got them all in a room and they did that ritual which I thought that was like a a really cool touching thing and you know that that warriors team didn't have that level of togetherness and Katie one foot out the door and stuff but I do feel Kinda sad that that team never had that moment especially because Katie was even there yet when they lost like he had just gotten a surgery in in New York like they like he leaves and goes to New York from one from when he gets hurt in Toronto. He never set foot in the bay area again if he has to. This point probably has this point but like I would imagine he came back at some point till IPO clean out his apartment and shit. But like I don't maybe it's someone do that form but yeah I mean that was just like never even have a moment together to say like. Hey guys it's been real at the end that thoughts Catharsis Demo. What how whatever you WANNA call it in the specific context yeah. I think that that is something special about this team that they did know it and it was useful for those players to sell. Tell Kerr visit. Krause's thing tell long that just get the most money you can like. Were not bringing it back but they could have. I mean they could. They could have done it. Differently obviously A big picture thing for me is. I'm extremely happy. This exists and I am thankful that it that. Espn changed the time line. And a came out during this period where not only to give structure but to give us something to look forward to in a shared experience when shared experiences that are positive or few and far between it's more shared separate experience right now. I'm extremely thankful for that. I am and added. New Footage added new not only to my experience but I think to everybody else's and it will be challenging. It's just going to be an interesting part of his legacy to see what parts of this are seen as Canon. Moving forward and what parts of it are just this one person's interpretation. It's true based on your point of view as my pratice said in his mill in his newsletter thing after the after the early part of this and so overall huge positive but that element of because it run through somebody who had their own perspective and had a had a reason to want certain things in in certain things out in that that was functionally mandatory from this narrative experience that it is fundamentally different and so I think that some will try to say. That's a good thing or a bad thing you think of that. I don't think there's a need to make it offender pronouncement. It just is what it is and I will appreciate it for that. I thought it was good. You mentioned that changes but in Scotty pippin. His interview didn't happen after things started getting released. And like there's a little bit of backlash over like getting should on so like him. Say Yeah like he was like the greatest chip also. They're like people note that like Scotty hasn't necessarily said that Jordan is the Said maybe it's he scotty did say I was playing with the best player. We had the best coach. The best Maybe just the best player at the time as opposed to the best player ever but When you said like a what are the things that'll be candid like what sticks out to you when you're talking about. I don't know if people will see this as definitively that it's the food poisoning game not the flu game. Or something else poisonings to me. Sobel's yeah the Pizza Pizza Pizza Game. Pta I it's GONNA BE STOMACH FLU. I don't know yeah that's like. What if it was in fact that like they did something to that pizza? What do you think they did like? If you're working in that pizza pizza joint and you know that Michael Jordan is about to get this pizza like what do you do to be like? Oh yeah this is that you have you have on hand like you just like like pick it. They just have some like expired cheese or something they built it. It'd be like today like spit out. I mean like even. That wouldn't be enough to just give you a flu like that. I mean they had been something that just had like a shitload of bacteria already like Salmonella like they just took some like raw chicken and just like rubbed all for the pizza like I. Would you go about doing that? This is the next documentary we need at. We can't get the name of the pizza place. Come on somebody knows someone should look that up. Someone should look like what pizza place would have had to have. Been at like guessing. There weren't a lot of places to get late night. Food Salt Lake City in one thousand nine hundred seven. I think like one of the things that I was struck by remembering it again. It was obvious that the time though was just like how messed up Scottie. Pippen's back clearly. One could see it when he moved down the floor but he like there's one sequence where he he didn't even it wasn't even on the floor like bends down to pick up a ball at like two inches and you could tell he's just like grimacing. My wife is a yoga teacher and so she's always concentrated like people's wound. She's like yeah with like your lower body is moving but when you're running your upper body just can't move at all like you know someone's back is like really bad And like Jordan. I don't recall. I mean there's been some times where there's a game where like Nate Robinson threw up on the bench for example in like the two thousand thirteen playoffs. But I don't recall seeing anyone look as one on the court as Jordan did during the flu game. I mean it was just so obvious looking at his face like how exhausted he was an. It's just that sort of thing it's like. Oh was he sicker than some other guy in some other performance or whatever but I mean who put it this way. I don't think he was faking it. No that seem pretty clear yet and I think there there were parts of that you know I would have appreciated. It was weird to me that not that. I'm criticizing the I thought I thought I loved having the Kerr focus as a part of the story in them. Setting up the shot in ninety seven but it did seem like a lot of the support players that it was more in the context of Jordan know like coach. When he was talking about it was more like the Dream Team and this is Koukoulas related Jordan as opposed to coach being a damn good player in his own. Right Rodman Pippen and Phil. We're probably the only people to get something and courage outside of that context. But you know I think that if you were telling the story of the Jordan Bulls. I thought that there could. There could have been more on that sort of thing. And as you brought like the you know the Hue Hollins call and other things that that if it didn't really heavily involve Jordan as much a part of this it wasn't the Jordan Bulls. It was Jordan and his team. I'd forgotten I forgot about the Rodman missing practice to do the wrestling thing as well. I mean that's another during the final politely. A enter now like a lot of practices during the files or kind of bullshit of but Phil. I'd be like yeah. He's out here. We all know where he is And then I was surprised. They didn't mention the Arizona. State thing with Kerr after but the I think that probably would have just required too much exposition for what was kind of ancillary story in the documentary. But for those who don't know like Kerr played fare zone at like at when they're playing at ARIZONA STATELY DIV bans. Were basically like making fun of him for having his debt. Dad got shot and I can't remember their chain link around. Plo Oh God. That's accurate if you're GONNA be at -sulting at least be accurate Yes now that's pretty crazy but I think guess I understand why that was left out because with the way they would have had to do it. From a storytelling. Standpoint was just to like tell that story. And like that's your only data. Point of Steve Kerr between his dad. Dying and Michael Jordan. So as I is that. And it's like you. You can't tell that without the saying what's the aftermath. He becomes this all American Arizona. It would have required probably like another five minutes if they were going to bring that part up. Yeah and it's something else that I really enjoyed about the documentary and I wonder Michael Lee brought this terms. David Aldridge which I firmly support of the so many people involved in this weather. It's media members or players there to really good storytellers. And they did a great job. Editing to of cutting it down to things that were interesting I would just you know. That's kind of what my vision of open court always could have been. It's just guys telling stories about what they remember and and you could spice in footage and all that but there's just there's this wealth of information the NBA. This is something that came up when we talked about. We were when we were talking about. Kobe is the. Nba is so fortunate that a large portion of their great players are not only still with us but are also talented storytellers and aware of this. That are still connected with game that I would love to just see parts of this machinery. Go in other directions and media members talk about the most memorable games they covered or players like under the radar moments and then you could intimate or whatever. You spicing footage. Whatever like there's so much wealth of of material here that I would love to see whether it's you know giving context to people who weren't alive for that Jen and watch in that generation like that's part of the motivation of the last dance or something else just like to have it so that years from now we just have that to fall back on. I think it'd be great ever be a team that is like that big of a deal again or has anyone come close in your mind. The warriors were something entirely different because they never had the same kind of arc. You know like the Bulls they had the struggles with the Pistons. And then and the the Jordan they they also different between the three petes the warriors did a Lotta that stuff in a very short period of time but there was a time when the lights burned incredibly bright on them. And but you can correct me. If I'm wrong. Like the were like the Bulls were as great as they were the. It didn't seem like the they were reviled in the same way that a lot of that is because they're you know they drafted their best players and some of that type of stuff so yeah. I think it would take a lot to get till he to get there. I think that the warriors during the twenty four game winning streak to start fifteen sixteen. Yeah so the Pre Katie Warriors. That's that's a fair com. Yeah I think they got close like I. If I don't think steph would have ever been Michael Jordan. But if he had had you done what he did in two thousand sixteen and they had one in two thousand sixteen and Katie doesn't come if he does that for like two or three or four more years like maybe and they're winning championships during that period. Maybe it would have gotten close for him personally. But in terms of the media I like that team for sure during the twenty four game winning streak the seventy three winning going seventy three nine and they had plenty of drama to and they and that was also a totally homegrown team again. I think there's a big like Talks about this. And you're in you as well that this the idea of everyone being homegrown and coming up together and just letting people talk themselves out of this being a mercenary type of feel the way it did when. Katie got there or Lebron heat which was also a huge deal. But people didn't like didn't have that love for them. The way they did for the Bulls. Yeah it's I think that a lot of it is popular perception of popular perception matters in comparing teams to the Bulls popular perceptions of the story and was done in the last dance well in addition and also just the fact that by ninety eight that everyone knew it was probably going to be over two. Yeah that this was going to be the Swan Song in that tells what want to ask you. How do you think some of these story? Let's say the Bulls bring the band back together? They make the NBA Finals. And they lose to the Spurs and then it all breaks apart however that happens. Do you think that the six no is significantly more impressive than the six one to the average person I know you and I can sometimes see things differently than average for Split? How do you how do you Kinda Square that circle? Yeah I think it is more process to six. No because just the the leg talked about with the creeping determinism the same thing of just this aura of invincibility. Yeah right I mean even the two years that MJ Miss Neo course. Nineteen ninety-five Doesn't count. Because you know he had different muscles or whatever from baseball on onshore. There's part of that wasn't in shape and they're different. They're different shapes to. Yeah and the team. Also I mean. They're bigger flaw. Wasn't that Jordan played poorly. It's that they got completely destroyed the interior that whole series. Yeah they have a power forward on the team So no I think actually they I mean it might make their story more interesting. It also depended how that went down right if they lose in seven in just an absolute dog fight to the Spurs as opposed to just getting swept like five. Yeah it where the Spurs clearly better and they ran out of gas and that was it as opposed to man. This is you know. One of history's legendary. Last stands type of thing. I also think that people would have. Let's say the Spurs win that series? I think the Spurs would have a lot more respect to. I mean not that they're short it but I'd be like to actually vanquish to vanquish the Bulls to be the only team to do it. In Costa full-strength fashion would be that would and that would have been an early early. Feather in the cap you think about the legacy of Popovich if that had been the start as opposed to the way it would actually began. Yup I wonder if Phil Jackson would have said that. The season had an asterisk that all I think we can. We can wrap it up your those questions I think. Yeah it's definitely the fact that it's six and that's like when I mean all you have to do is compare it to Lebron or. He's making the finals every year. But losing I into the fact that that's the biggest thing that to the casual fan. That Jordan has over Lebron and said he was six in the finals. Unifil. Ron made more finals. The fact that he lost a bunch from even though the Bulls never played a team like the warriors team that he lost three of three of those files to or actually. It's good as the Spurs team that he lost to in twenty fourteen either or two thousand seven I would say I don't know maybe I'm giving short shrift like the Sonics and jazz team the end but The vet those scenes one sixty four games was in part because the week was pretty leak week at that time to Anyway all right I've reveling. Let's wrap this up For have a new piece at the athletic about the Knicks Q. and A. That's coming out on Monday. Should have a new real. Gm Radio on Monday afternoon evening. Seeing look forward to that and a lot more coming out in the near term but it still working on it so. I'll tell you about it when it happens. I'd fun show at Hollinger today. We debated all of our disagreements on NBA awards. That was really fun to do. Because I mean he is He does a lot more about basketball then or he's forgotten more about basketball than I know so it was it was it was fun sparring with them About some of that stuff for sure in a respectful way. I I assume you're still GONNA do the podcast with me next week. We'll see Adequacy Cova Daily News is rolling on. I opie guys will give that at least a shot. Just give me the first fifteen minutes or even if you don't we we've been together a while here and if you haven't tried it yet please at least give it that kind of a shot and see if you think it's useful for you. I hope that it will be if you're a really just suffering from news fatigue can actually. It should help you supposed to just hopefully not feel like I got one more thing I gotta listen to. Its can hopefully replacing the other ways. You're getting your news I we will taught y'all next time till then.

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I have no problem with these list if you said. Kobe is going to be number two on the list. Okay certainly got a great resume is about titles. All right he's got more titles than Lebron. Like what does it come down to? And I still don't know what the voting criteria is because it feels like that trump card is titles and when all else fails. Hey this guy won more titles there. We have favorites and we have favorites in. It's generational like you can't tell people from the nineties who are certain age and watch Jordan. You can't they'll never ever given and say somebody could possibly be better than Michael Jordan. Just can't it won't happen. You're going to have people fifteen years from now. Talk about Steph curry and Steph curry greatness. Let's say Steph Curry adds one more title here. He's going to be the greatest shooter. Volta Not Greatest Score but the great shooter Volta. Does he get into the top ten if we have this conversation in ten years from now who is in the top ten is Kevin Durant in the top? Ten is Steph. Curry is the Greek freak. There is why does Lebron go higher? Does he go to number one because nobody else is changing. Everybody else's resume is complete. Lebron is still piling on the numbers. And maybe winning another title or to Steph. Curry is what thirty two thirty two? He's got a window here of. Let's say three or four more peak years. Can you add one or two? Titles there. The resurgence of the Golden State Warriors Number One overall pick. You Got Draymond clay and got steph coming back to win another title there if you win another title. Then he's going to be in the top. Ten who comes out of the top? Ten is also interesting. Greek freak got win titles we we've had statistical anomalies here. You got to win some titles. And he's got plenty of time to do so Leonard. I think why would get credit for winning? Titles but wouldn't be viewed as one of the greats of all time because the load management. Maybe what happened San Antonio here? He is with the clippers in a chance to win another title or two given that roster and having a hall of Fame Coach. There's well but those were some of the thoughts that I had instead of arguing about who should be in the top ten or where they're ranked in the top seventy four. It's let's look at that next wave of WHO's going to be in the top ten when it's all said and done and who gets moved out of the top ten Yama Club. So is it fair to say? This is more of a question that players twenty twenty are much better than players. Say Nineteen Seventy Five. A coaching and fitness weightlifting. And now everybody learns to shoot through you. It's a totally so these guys are better now or am I completely wrong. I think their different because they they've had you have somebody to model your game after you know everybody's in shape now and Jordan was one of the first to hire a trainer so this isn't nineteen seventy five. Where guys are hiring trainers Jordan hired. Somebody outside of the Chicago Bulls Tim. Grover to come in and get him in shape. Lebron spends over a million dollars. A year reportedly on training meals. All those things travel. Look at the travel. Here you got you got private jets here back in the seventies with wilt chamberlain use to fly commercial seven two. And you probably weren't going to act like it's just changed so much and then the athlete who's GonNa come along fifteen years from now. Who knows what we allow them to put in their bodies. What are they like when they play the game? What is the game like? Are we raising the hoop in any point? Do we widen the court at any point? Do we do that in football do we? Do we make it wider because of the athleticism. That's going to be in play here. I I don't know but I think that those are distinct possibilities here. I just think that if I'm going to look at who is most likely to pull to drop out of the top ten. Is it Larry Bird Shack and coby? They're still in. Kobe will always be with us. Shack is there every day in commercials Larry disappeared? You don't see Larry Anymore. Lebron and Michael. We're going to be there. Tim Duncan if he becomes the next head coach of the spur like it's being relevant to and people saw most of your career here. I don't know I don't know who else would fall out of that top ten because somebody there's at least two going in. I think steph curry going in. He'll be a top ten player of all time. Is Kevin durant going to be a top ten player of all time and in twenty years from now? Is the Greek freak in there or is there somebody else that comes along? Yama Club also back in the day like didn't have the loop is going to be in the mix and Greek freak like is this sport better because international too or was there was no Arvidas Sa- Bonus and seventy. I mean it feels like the game that has helped the game a lot. You can credit the Dream Team. Yes that's it because it changed it. The Dream Team opened. Everybody's eyes to the globalisation of the sport. You know somebody was saying what about Magic Johnson man magic as a six nine point court it it just you you. You couldn't process that six nine athletic point guard. And that's where you start your Tim. That's nobody could match up with that. We tried a penny hardaway. We tried with guys. That were a little bit bigger taller. Magic was six eight six nine running the point and running the break to top ten player. But somebody will fall out. Russell stays in because of the eleven titles bird might be the guy that falls out. I think I don't think bird falls out. Because I think he and Magic Johnson or intertwines almost like a package deal they should be. But somebody's falling out right. If steph curry puts up a resume. That's so good if he adds two more titles than he's going in. Maybe we should book some guests for ten years from now about this topic. Here let's get the ESPN voters on here. We'll get some phone calls here. Eight seven seven three. Dp show email address teepee. Dan Patrick Dot Com. You start to hear a little bit more information about baseball. The Baseball Player Association. What the target date is here. There still a lot to be decided. A lot of grumbling from the players. How much we getting you know? We also factor this in. There are players in families. That won't want their husband to come back. They won't WANNA come back. There's there's just a lot that has to be factored in here. It's not as simple as turn. Turn on the switch and then we all go back and play. There's a lot that has to be processed here and there are things that we haven't even thought about that. They have to think about but I do think that there are there players in basketball and also baseball who really second guessing this and and I talked to somebody yesterday. I've mentioned this The first and second hour and I'll bring up one more time because it's important to hear I ask about in this is source. I said what about what would it take for the NFL players to be able to come back training camp. Get Ready for games and I was told right now we are. Medical Staff is estimating sixteen thousand test a week for NFL players personnel sixty thousand instead. And should we be getting these tests instead of somebody who really needs these tests but but those are things that are being discussed right now of trying to come back and play and can you do it safely. These are all things that are being discussed with Teams Leagues Commissioners Medical Staffs and. I don't know how far down the road we are and with Major League Baseball. Are you going to have players? Who WANNA play? Can they play? Are you going to be self quarantined in Florida or Arizona? I also asked my source. I said how do you think the players association is if you took a poll of players and my source said. I don't know if they have any documentation but what I've been told is you're GONNA get a lot of players who don't want to come back to play right now if you voted now for the NFL. They would not want to come back and play now. Majority is what I was told so. Once again things change change rapidly daily. Almost hourly here and my job is just update you on that of what we hear the. Nba's quiet right now. And I think that's a good thing because I don't want member when we went back and it was gonna be May I opening camps then it was may eighth and I said I wouldn't be putting those dates out there and we move right by those. They need to be silent. Get A game plan. And then hopefully you're able to start this. Hopefully that. That's everybody's goal. Let me see a couple of phone calls in here. Jim In Michigan joins us. Hey Jim what's on your mind today. Mr Patrick talking again. I got a movie for you. Okay call under the rainbow. Got Chevy Chase. Carrie Fisher and seventy five Mitch. Okay I guess this is their over the rainbow but they're under the rainbow. But thank you Jim. I'm not a Chevy Chase Fan. I he said legendary career like flat. Shen is brilliant on Saturday night. Live viscose back to battle lines were drawn and I was doing a sports center one night and I remember Carl ravage in some of the other sports anchors. We got into a discussion. Who Do you like more Chevy Chase or and Chevy was in at Saturday night live for a long time and then he went into making movies. And I said it's Bill Murray and we had this conversation going back and forth and you know I picked the right horse there with bill. Murray so for some reason I hold this against Chevy Chase and I don't know why I don't know Chevy Chase. I appreciate him but if you said. Hey who's who stars in their golf movie caddyshack. Bill improvised everything. I mean it was Chevy's movie but bill stole the movie I think but I think that they add lived those scenes when bill was with Chevy standpoint. There's a great old movie called seems like Old Times. Goldie Hawn Chevy Chase and Charles Grodin. It's a bit dated. I don't know if it would play that. Well these days and Charles Grodin fantastic all the haunt. Everyone loves her. And Chevy's Great Watch midnight run with De Niro and Charles Grodin. Charles Grodin spectacular. That moving he really is is. It's a it's one of the great buddy movies because Deniro is so serious Charles. Grodin is just. He has such a great way about him. And I don't know like Deniro. You never thought of him as I've watched taxi driver again yesterday afternoon. Who Man can have that with the kids? Now mclovin sat home during quarantine and watch taxi driver yesterday afternoon. That sounds a lot of well. I'll give you an idea of my mental state sometimes. Let me find Somebody who is worshipped I am maybe somebody who's a little more down in the dumps Travis Bickel here and then I watched The Jake Lamotta raging bull. How and there's a scene where I think PECI was so great in that movie and and you don't realize how great he is but his role is it's quirky. It's it's smallish compared to how big Jake Lamotta and Deniro is in raging bull. But when PECI is getting punched in he's got padding on and Deniro's punching him as he gets ready to go out for the fight was just brilliant. Just really really. I don't WanNA say stalled it. But but he's so good. Yeah Fritzy have your kids. Stir crazy or goodfellas. I don't want Wanna I'm not a good fellows fan real now. I know something about them. All the way through. Yes I just you know what it is. I know how these movies always end. And these are some of my people through my wife's side of the family. She just found out she's an unrecognized citizen of Italy. 'cause she was she was enquiring about dual citizenship. I was about Ireland. And then she goes. I should check on Italy. I can't I have a hard time getting in to Italy as dual citizen and my wife goes. I'm an unrecognized citizen of Italy I go. What does that mean she goes? I have no idea but I'm closer to be a dual citizen. She thinking about jumping ship. No she just. I don't know I figured one of these days when I up and leave and then I just you know you're GonNa see me on the Riviera or Lake Como in Italy next to George Clooney hosting a sports radio show on sports like then Deti Jimmy in the Brazil Jimmy and the Mozzarell- in the morning Robert in Houston. Hi Robert would he have today first time start time Five eight hundred one eighty five five so I I recommend to movies my favorites And just kind of a different two different once the godfather and the Matrix kind of unique in their own way And then the Trivia for that it was written by Tarantino directed by Tony Stock and Energy. That was just coming out. He decided to direct reservoir dogs and had to give to romance. Oh good well thank you Robert. I can't watch reservoir dogs when they get into the warehouse. And that's good can't do no can't do that comes on a great movie. Can't watch they get to that. The torture tonight can't do can't do Stephen. South Carolina Steve. Adp First Time Long Time five nine one sixty couple movies at both of these movies. Make me laugh every time I watch them and how many times I've seen him Return of the Pink Panther from the Peter Sellers series. Snap and This one under the radar maneuver a movie bananas from Nineteen seventy-one Woody Allen. If you've never seen it the very opening movie is Howard. Cosell playing himself calling an assassination. It's brilliant. It's almost like a feels like a variety show movie I saw longtime ago. And what was the other movie bananas and I missed it. I Forget Godfather. I Love The godfather but I I know how it all ends. I don't I mean it ends in bad ways for people and I love James Caan but sunny gets if he has correct change. He doesn't die at the toll booth fast. I know they didn't have easy passback. Then yeah mclovin. I'd love to see you watch all one hundred films in the American Film. Institute's top hundred and see how many you give thumbs up to. Because you're you're you're a critical. Well there's reasons why I like or don't like a movie that doesn't mean they're not great movies like girls. I didn't I didn't like Goodfellas I. I didn't like casino. I watched that the other night. I Sharon stone is great in Pepsi's great the way Deniro dresses. But you know it's GONNA end bad. I have a hard time watching it. Yeah with the kids like American. Graffiti sign fever fifties genre to Saturday night. Fever my wife she. We had movie night with Saturday night. Fever and my wife forgot how. There's some scenes in language. There's some things that are set in there that we went. I don't know but you're already watching it and you forget it and then all of a sudden my son who's my oldest forgot that one I got it got that one forgot that senior more phone calls coming up Dan. I hate the top you there. But I've got the ultimate movie topper. My Dad was once a saddle of me on a Saturday rainy afternoon. Go go take the kid to the movies and this was a movie theater that had one movie to choose from. You just drove the movie. That was there and I was again. I was ten and a half years old and my dad took me to see midnight express and it was good movie love. It was traumatic Turkish. Prison movies are not for children. I think that's a universal truth. I saw jaws when I was six. I wouldn't even take a bath for a month. Yes that's messed up our camp counselor. Who smoked a lot of pot back? When we were like seventy years old we were supposed to see the apple dumpling. Gang which was a Disney movie snuck us into private lessons with Sylvia. A kinda shook us up a little bit. They thought it was going be using that they would take eight year old kids into that. That explains on an awful lot of an awful lot about who knew twelve years in never heard that one before never heard about private lessons with the tablet crystal. Yeah I think I've heard that a hundred times. Maybe but the audience they waiting out. You're right true twenty after the hour more phone calls coming up here and did we stay with the poll question. Mclovin all three hours. Yeah we're on Do you like fake crowd noise and actually started out fifty five percent. Were okay with it. Now it's close to sixty percent say no way on the fake runways. I don't need it. I I would be curious if we like. No sound fake sound to the real sound that you're going to get to the game. I'M GONNA guess it'll it'll be awkward but I do think it'll be different. You'll pay even more attention. I think to the game because of the sound that will be there and we just heard from Nick Nurse the Toronto Raptors head coach last hour. And he's like I. I'd have to really watch my language and I think a lot of players were. You would hear everything and it would be great if this was back in the eighties when there was true trash talking got out good with that be or the nineties Jordan. Saying something or birds say something. Yeah that'd be that'd be great twenty two after the hour back after this on the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. 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As underpaid and frustrated the episode of the final seconds of one thousand nine hundred four semifinal Game Phil Jackson Pick Toni Kukoc coach to have the last shot pippen apparently was angry and he was angry and he decided he was going to sit out. The last second and a half coach hits the shot and that was that was always what was interesting there couple things. If if that game into overtime his pippen going to players. He's still going to sit out and a few see the play before the timeout before. Cuco chits the shot pippen. Who was and he was never a great on dribbling the ball creator. He didn't create. He was great in transition board and it was up to Jordan to create. Scotti was a a score. Not a shooter and SCOTTY GETS FRUSTRATED. Because coup coach he thinks is going to pick. He doesn't set the pick coach backs off. And then once the ball. And then Scottie forces one up at the BUZZER and it doesn't go went. They get the chance last. Chance and this time coach gets the ball. Hits the shot over. I think Anthony Mason and the Bulls end up winning. Let me see what's in here. And then of course pippen said if. I had a chance to do it over. I probably wouldn't change it a good quote. They're scanning. He says that he let me see. I wish he didn't give a bleep like me about what people say. Is this this sort now? This Dennis Rodman Dennis Rodman says. I wish Scotty didn't give a bleep like me about what people say. He insisted pippins one of the best players of all time but no one could ever quite see him. He was too quiet. He was standing next to Michael Jordan. Scottie was underrated and underpaid. He should be holding his head. High high up higher than Michael Jordan. In this documentary I think a lot of people are now realizing what he went through. The kid was a hero and a lot of ways during those great bowls runs with Scott underpaid only in relationship to Michael Jordan. What was Scotty salary? And where did that salary rank in the League because I think it might be a little bit higher than people think I don't? I don't have any comments. Here from Scottie. Pippen just says he's reportedly unhappy about the last dance. I don't see anything. Yeah Paulie Pippen Bulls. Run was his average pay was about two point six million a year he was not in the top. There's a point in his career where he was a first team all NBA Player. But he wasn't in the top forty of player salary. Where was he? The last year of the Bulls with that sound. His last year with the Bulls who may two point seven million dollars. Okay and I'll check to see where that ranks lean. Okay yeah because I was told that Scotty was getting a pretty good salary commensurate to other players. He was just Michael. Jordan was different than everybody else back. Then but Scotty is. I understand but but Scotty doesn't help himself in this documentary if you had to do it all over again. That's where you say back. Then this is why I acted that way. Of course I'd Never WanNa quit on my team when people start calling you sitting bull because you sat down in that ninety four semifinal game and not a good thing to have attached to your resume and Scotty I think has benefited from the last ends in this top. Seventy four players would have Scotty twenty-second is Scottie. Pippin the twenty second best player in the NBA. Got All those titles Apple Pippin. Finally you're the Bulls. Basically what this documentaries about. He made two point seven million a year he was. That was one twenty two hundred one hundred and twenty-one players in the NBA making more than him including players. Who weren't even starters including Horace Grant who's making fourteen million a year if the owner says to you at the time. Don't sign this deal. This is the owner of the ball. Same to Scotty. Don't this isn't a good contract. I get why Scottie Pippen is upset about it because some of this is the way. The documentary is framing. Things like did they really have to spend half of an episode on his migraine too. You know like He. He had to sit. He sat for the one clay. He had a Migraine and couldn't play another game yet. Somehow Michael Jordan punches a teammate in the face and it's framed as that's the moment we all really came together and knew we were winning the championship. I mean it's kind of garbage. Well Scotty should own documentary. Because Michael is doing his own documentary and then Scotty can tell his story. The way he wants to tell his storing. I do think that they they SORTA LEFT. Scotty hanging in a little bit here and then when Michael Says Hey. I was bothered. That he didn't have surgery. Michael has the last word there. Yes Michael had the nerve to call Scotty selfish. He's speaking thirty five million dollars a year and Scottie. Pippen is one hundred twenty third highest paid player and Michael. Jordan's like well. I thought Scotty was selfish in that moment. He should've thought of the team. There is the great moment where they give you. The background of Scottie. Pippen where he's from You know relationship with. His father's father's illness came out of central Arkansas. They weren't quite sure what they had. And then all of a sudden they realize what they had and they had the perfect running mate for Michael Jordan. This doesn't happen for Michael. Without Scotty now. We know that. It doesn't happen for Scotty without Michael but I do think that we sometimes look at that running mate and we don't give them as much credit but Scotty with what he did. I thought Scott he was a better defender than Michael. I thought that he was. I thought he was just tougher. I mean he picked up. He was a longer defender. He picked up Mark Jackson. He changed that series with the Indiana Pacers his defense Denmark Jackson. He wouldn't let him get into the offense until there was ten seconds left on the shot clock but that was Scott. Scottie wasn't a great shooter but he could score transition. Defense rebound wasn't afraid guard. Anybody he but if you think about it he gets overshadowed throughout all of this. Steve Kerr Hits a big John. Paxson hits a big shot. Tony Cuco Chits a big shot. This is about Michael and all the big shots that he hit the genius of Phil Jackson. Scotty is just sort of a Scottie sat down. Oh Yeah Scottie was holding out Scotty. Always complained about his contract. Is there a moment during the last dance? Where they really are thrown verbal bouquets. Scottie Pippen maybe that part of the episode where they talk about drafting him his family life. What are you overcame? Maybe a little bit there. Yeah yeah there's different ways you can look at. You can make the case that he's an overrated player because he benefits from being with Michael Jordan titles but then he could come back and saying Michael Jordan doesn't exist in this current state without me. They don't happen independent from each other. I am not as good as him but he doesn't have six and without me and that's a fact that's true that is but I I didn't hear any quotes just says that you know. He's reportedly upset about and fritzy called for Pippen Michelob. Scott he's GonNa get revenge when they show that Blazers Lakers. Oh Two thousand Western Conference finals for. Oh to sue. What are you doing well? I'm curious at the documentary because that was really bad as I recall for. Scotty you blazers could score the Lakers for my pippen documentary title ready my sidekick of the story. Now your Mike Works. It doesn't do anything for you. Know does he his own documentary my sidekick of this now. I got it. I know on a second now museum like my side. Kick of the story resigned. I get it. Recruitment kicking criminal side. Thank my side like Robin to join like I got. I got a time. It's not the hero. See if your feed would go down here on. That'd be nice. John John John in Texas a John. Hey Dan this is just a little side note The soccer movie escape to victory. That's a good movie but I wanted to talk about liberal. We'RE WARNER WAY. We're not interested in. No no no no John John. I can't talk Liverpool right now. Thank you though. You're well on your way. I hope that the premiership comes back and Liverpool finally wins. We're well on our way you're in Texas. We're well on our way to Liverpool Guy. Last week almost ten days I was playing. I got my hat. I need my kit. Bali gotTa have my Kit Kellen in Indiana wants to talk Liverpool. Yes yes county. Five ten boozed up one seventy Two suggestions for the questions. You asked today Dazed and confused. Matthew mcconaughey Hey great movie. Second Thing Andrew Luck being hall of Famer after two seasons. Yeah I think the jury was probably in on on Andrew Luck. We we were talking about thank you. You Know How many times I watch doc. Gooden and I was fortunate to be able to cover the mets back. Then and DOC. Gooden good nephews second year when he went twenty four and I went Omega this. This guy is the hall of fame. We don't know we'd heard things about doc but it was later on not then not after second year and then you started to wonder about twenty years of age. And you're in New York and I would see his dad a lot but you know when Dad's not around and Darryl Strawberry was there you know. Mets were partners. Mets were big parties back then and dot got involved. He's still involved. But then after those two years you were like. Wow that that guys go into the hall of Fame Brenton Texas joins us. Hey Brentwood he have horns and appreciate you and the debt say. My suggestion for movie nights is low postcard to Chicago. Sara steelers day off. I was twelve when I'm not theaters. The classic quotes life moves. Pretty fast if you don't stop and take a look around once in a while you could miss it. Yeah we brought that up and I think we started to play it for my youngest and she just didn't like it she didn't. She didn't get the genius of Ferris Bueller. So Yeah we're doing movie night and you know interrupts my a glass Tequila and my cigar. Because they won't let me have the cigar while we're watching the damn movie so I have to watch the movie and then I breaking Arizona. I sat through most of that. We're doing broadcast news and diner movies. That are on the on Deck Circle Jeff in Saint. Louis Hey Jeff how are you? Good Morning Sir. Good Morning And Paulie love your shirt. I'm wearing it and I think you guys were short. That you gotTa Forget one movie and its best in movie heat with Al Pacino and Robert Deniro and they're only and twosies together and that and your thoughts about Spud Webb basketball. Is He in the top seventy four. No no no thank you. Who Else is talking about the movie? Heat and Spud Webb today. No one is no one. In the same sentence thanked paragraph there spud Webb. No Nice Story. Nice man I didn't like heat vow kilmer in. Yes Tom Sizemore Jon. Voight I was okay with it. I ruled out so many different genres when it. There's nothing's no zombies. No vampires no space h movies. No superheroes I'm not a lot of fun to watch a movie with because I'm always in. It's hard nowadays because everything has vampires superheroes. Heat also has a young Ashley. Judd in the young saucy. Amy Brennaman don't sleep on them. Good movie Jim In Montana joins us. Hey Jim good morning Say One quick movie being there with Peter Sellers. He plays an idiot. May CIANCI Gardner. Yeah pretty good. I thought he was brilliant in that movie. And thanks for the phone. Call Jim the other movie. That was suggested a return to the Pink Panther which Mike. Kids thought was spectacular. Just because you know he'd go home and have Kato Kato. Have these knock down drag out. Fight trying to kill each other and that scene when he's at the hotel does your dog bite and then all of a sudden you're rack. Your dog does. That is not my dog. Loved Pink Panther. Peter sellars take a break. Oh it looks like we've got hamburgers coming off the trigger Friday I know but I wanted to make sure that the trigger was ready for Friday so know when a team has a walkthrough prior to a big game. Tomorrow's meet Friday and it's like a walk through here are Super Bowl here so we are have to get up and go all the way to the kitchen to have that Burger. We'll take a break last call for phone calls after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern nine Pacific on Fox sports radio and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at FSR or stream. It live every day at Youtube dot com slash. The Dan Patrick. Show support for the Dan. 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And I figured pauline I can do three each or we could do one each and then I could give it to the guys in the back I opted for three each in Pauley said no we should give it to the guys in the back. So now there's no leftovers but thanks for asking with love. We miss you guys. Scott in Connecticut is the big winner on Fritzy scoreboard challenge twenty four and seven of the numbers. Before we get to that. Let's do this day in sports history to try to ruin Frenchies scoreboard content. Nineteen sixty and the flagpole at the Chicago. White Sox ballpark broke during the pennant raising. It was actually going up and it collapsed. Thought IT'D BE. The cubs. Rose the white sox nineteen sixty seven. New York Yankees Star. Mickey Mantle got his five hundredth career home. Run and that's it day. Denny maclaine did Mickey homer off Denny maclaine Scher for number. You don't know go now. You've probably Dow yes SETON. I guess todd scoreboard. Yeah seven twenty four meaning July twenty fourth which is not only my birthday but his also nick nurses birthday same same day. Same same day but I feel bad that that's not the answer but that's fantastic. I'm GonNa Guess Mickey Mantle is the seven the clue you're so fine. You're so fine you blow my mind. Hey Mickey that's bad and see number seven okay in twenty four the Kalou for twenty four boys. Hey that's amazing. So Willie mays. We may May Fourteenth Ninety seventy two Willie mays. I Games a met. He homers to beat the Giants Five Four Jersey number twenty four. Will he makes thank you. Tony Eric in Michigan. Hi Eric. What's on your mind. Yes I have Two movies that you mentioned Diehard movie and go more sterkel Schindler's List Schindler's List little heavy but brilliant movie. Thank you thank you for the phone call and die hard. Yes one of the Great Christmas movies of all now. The kids have watched that Edano. Ohio joins US what he hey. Dan Love the show to seventy five. I'm get you sucker and American. History acts in movies very very different movies there. But thank you ED. I'm GonNa get you sucker American history. X Let's head Norton Rain. Yeah Yeah. I didn't watch that really off. I would say that's a good watch especially the first time you see the pretty much shocking movie with an intense movie Ed Norton. We've had him on a shy. I know it's not. It's not once again. It's not anything against the director producer. The Stars of the movie. It's just the kind of movies that I want. Does somebody get their head bashed on the sidewalk in American correct? Yeah I think I watched a little bit of Amazon is done. It's good jeff in Detroit joins us. Hi Jeff What do you have former? Whatever you keep this up man the state's open back up. Y'All gonna be wondering what the curly hair brother comes from on the Patio Cola Pharmacy. Every time I look you cooking something good but I'll be hungry like my cooking again soaking up the block and as far as a good movie for you. Classic cannonball run paroling. It gets no better than that. Then thank you and once this quarantine lifts Jeff. You're always welcome. We'll we'll we'll save a seat at the table there on meet Friday traeger meet Friday at the bottom resolved to the bowl question. Mclovin I switch up. Who's career? Would YOU WATCH SCOTTIE? Pippen Steph Curry Way Way Way? You can't do that with I did it. I did it Paulie suggested I jumped in fifty seven percent wanted to be pippen. I would rather be Steph Curry Scottie. Pippen I mean you got curry's already ranked ahead of him he's been an MVP he's got a couple of titles and he's the greatest shooter in the history of the game and if he ends up with three titles or whatever he'll be ranked higher than Scotty Pippin on the all time list. I wish Scotty would have gotten to the NBA finals. 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101 - John Boormans Lord of the Rings, Part 2

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101 - John Boormans Lord of the Rings, Part 2

"HUSKIES been making commonsense tools for a long time and for the holidays. They still are like one hundred and twenty-five piece mechanic's tool said just ninety nine bucks now at the Home Depot with pro axis ratchets that feature an arc swing of three quarters of an inch to work in spaces other ratchets can't and it only ninety nine bucks that leaves. Are you all kinds of room in your budget. Husky commonsense tool since one thousand nine hundred eighty four exclusively at the home depot. US only valid through December thirty first once a when a script is written that is so bad no one will fill mid these brave podcasters will bring it to life just so they can market market. This is table reads so the movies comport which means your script Ain't worth the bubble SHINOLA nickel. Td with Sean Be Jeff Lewis and Joshua Baker. Everybody I would like to welcome you to a one hundred I episode. We're no we're ten t one you want eighty one city the one I'm the TD wait hold on a second guys doing the thing. Aw I forgot start video video city one under teddy one. It was jeff cities that made me think about the video Listen to them. So this part of John Boorman's nineteen seventy script for Lord of the rings that that for reasons unknown never got made. I don't see a fantastic script. Why they're kind of railroad in this guy? Yeah I mean fucking architect he put this shit together like the the other guy is the Arkansas the complexity of Bill Bodo. When he's going bill votto you did you say Bill Bodo demand? Yeah I mean. They're both basically the same fucking character. That just took place place five pages apart. I give you the ring I I in the ring the ring I don't want to bring I want the ring. Put It on my Dick. Take differing I want the ring. Okay they could have been the same fucking Garrett. Yeah it could've just been the water. Why did you send it with the old guy? If the young has just going that way just sit with the fucking old dude. FRODO BILBO FRODO proud of out already know to Bilbo shot. I as a previously on table readers so we started much in the same way as the Peter Jackson film but with all context information and characterization removed we get look at the entirety of Middle Earth. Starting from more Orrin going all the way to the shire where Bilbo's birthday is underway. He heads off to Riverdell. And then Frodo throw heads off with Mary. Pippen and Sam roughly twenty minutes later for reasons we never learn and neither do they so far. Here's what we we know about who each character is when we left off the four hobbits not Bilbo is we can safely assume that his twenty minute headstart gives the hundred eleven year old. Hobbit in an insurmountable insurmountable lead are walking the countryside with no idea whatsoever so ever that they are in danger because gandalf literally never told them they were in any fade. In and exterior high open countryside and lane day a dusty lane crosses the brow of a hill and the four hobbits trudge across it. The shadow of a cloud scurries over the sunlit fields race cars cars. The cloud is the new bad guy. Not Second man what. It is to be a cloud in the distance the hobbit see a flurry of dust. That's new bad guy coming towards them. Quick they hurry off the lane pushed through the hedge. Like rabbits are rider sunders towards them. They keep their heads well down and peer through the hedgerow flowers. We're bees and butterflies suck and flutter description to porn and fluttered fluttered. Tell you about the birds and the bees sucking does fluttering. Welcome back to suck and flutter DOT COM and the black right it comes in and ruins every. Let me tell you about the black writers when you're trying to suck and flood and there's a black guy it putting you to share you when you ladies settled down for a nice game was on the copy a callback enough you suck and Florida's Battle of those call backs all right. We're the buck. Oh yeah the writer slows down as he approaches looking from side to side but they see him very indistinctly stinky the bees and thorns and flowers and butterflies remain sharply focused while the rider is a wispy black shape. Beyond the the black sheep sniffles searching like a bloodhound. frodo looks at very tense and flushed. Now they think that they're just going to disneyworld world they don't have any inkling that there endanger because the guy said so the previously on remember the the guy that was me so why when they see a dust cloud of someone riding on the road toward them they like. We need to get these thorny bushes. Now we don't like writer. There was just no anything down again. Go whatever there's there's a black writer I go on vacation right now. Like I don't even have daybreak after we've been at a fucking party all night. I don't need sure I don't even need a bag. Fuck it. Let's go. How bad will just appear on me later when it's needed? Oh there's a black rhino outside. Yeah he's a bird discussed black riders just like though it was not address they may think that Gandalf being a powerful wizard is like you guys go. Hello I'm handled this. But he clearly did not known them unless. Oh they're gone now. I can have a nap par. So asleep by this. Excuse me off all G unit. Keep fucking you up in the Middle Narration blocks. That was me. I interrupted myself. Wasn't you guess. Let him okay. Missiles frodo looks very tencent flush. He raises his hand to where the ring hangs his chest. He touches it. Yeah he does sucking at a dog rose next to it. Does hand appears the ring poised over his finger an effort of will shows on his face and he draws the ring away. Who still have this real tense moment without without ever setting up tents? Why can't he just put the ring on? Don't know the consent. There seemed to be no consequences when he just did it in front of size guys and then jumped into a pile of shit. You think I mean these guys burgers and fries would have done something about it. But this aren't GonNa make me second second. Guess why he. The Thomas and Martha Wayne Murder Scenes in every fucking Batman movie like. I wonder if that's the context that but I mean has anybody went to like a Batman. Wonder what happened has been you think of movies as eternal entry points as well right eternal things. You can't just assume everybody knows what that man's deal is even the nineteen sixty st six series had Adam West in the pilot episode. Go I took on the mantle of the bat because my parents were murdered in front of me. Now let's never mentioned that again because it's really doesn't fit our theme but yeah I'm trying to take out what I know because I know a movie that was was made like forty years after this book and Yang was going to be based on my context here but there isn't but if I take it out and you just have them if someone watches a Batman movie that doesn't have Thomas and Martha Wayne being murdered seventy years from now when maybe DC has gone out of business because we see how they handle their movies and they go back and they watched this movie. They're like why is this guy dressed as a bat. What the fuck is happening? No that's true guys burgers and fries onion ring to rule them. All what I'm saying is that for the Burgers. The first time in my life bad script is making me a better person. It's only making you look be a better person in relationship to your lack of knowledge of the fucking movie and and the books Molyneaux for like I'm somewhat of accountable. A better person comparison. I would rather hang out with you than this script. The comic book movies. I'm like Oh we all know you come out of you come out of the womb knowing who fuck inspire man is like. That's my thought on it but maybe there's like a person to center like well how do you how do you get like. It's like because every year you have to learn the story of how Jesus died ride and saved us from our San Superman took. The Bible is a prelude to Superman. You know I I mean the themes are very similar thirty three years old laser arms fortress of solitude the laser is part of the Bible is my favorite arguably the best he goes up. Upi Bucci is guy you know. He came around and he he resurrected. Laser is right right. Yeah UH rises the guy he brought back to light Zaza La- Zaza right. Yeah laser there is. That's how you pronounce laser the black riders. We're this fucking bad. We're quoting the Bible it's brought to we're trying to fix fallen way back back back to the the second eight uh-huh when sal run our fees were sucking Abi sucking at a dog rose. Yeah I've seen this video. Okay look this guy understands bees as much as he understands Lord of the Rings B.'s. Don't suck on flowers that's not. How were they fucked the flowers right? Yeah they like dig all their booty in it. They basically break flower flower. Doesn't consider them. Yeah Yeah I mean. The flowers are their sex organs I was in botany class one time. We're we black writer. Cali- I saw the hobbits show relief and start off again on their journey but now keeping cautiously to the fields even though they have no hi dear their endanger. This is like if you're running to that guy. This is like you're driving to six flags and you see a car and you're like we need to drive into the bushes races. Roll the windows up. Fuck no that's what they're doing. They've got no reason to fear this man that's true he's got no reason to not put the fucking ringtone when when in Marion Pippen's saw him in the shire they ran to to bag end which is never named and like okay. This is the black guy in the sire. Were Evan neighborhood. And GANDALF's like shadows falling over the a Shire. You guys should go on vacation until this past I'll say here in gentrify the blackout. I moved to take the gold. Ring your press so damn it. Fuck this shit. Sphere by a stream evening on Mossy Bank by a stream stream in the far background a rough thatched cottage nestles into treats the habits have made a fire cooked and eaten each other. Sam is tidying up. His pants. Pippen is lying down in the water. EILLY trying to tickled trout. Frodo and Mary are stretched out right and hosts France. He'll contentment the dip. The fuck off your source yet okay is perennial hoydal title. What is say? I want to hear my mic. Hits it I guess it must be Something to do with eating. They're happy that they're they're foreing or related to dinner or lunch or second. Lunch or elevensies humorous adjective posts. Friend deal can attend to fuck writes that nobody besides the film crew would even see this. Yeah like nobody looks at seventy people just had better vocabulary. who were they trying to impress for this? The architect was trying to impress his professional writer. Friend he's like oh I'm GONNA look up host food the stars the stars cars this RS perennial battle fucking get and how do Put tickling trout and something classy in the same paragraph you belches You're married yeah you remember. It's better feel for more like a habit again. What did you feel like before like Less like a hobbit. They all laugh at poor Mary but they know what he means. You don't bids I don't know if this is a holiday all hard work we've come so we come so far so fast. Take a habit since go lift on. We squeeze the Shire Month into a day in my heavy. Even though we never got any heavy seriously did not pack a bag true Gandalf said you guys should go and they said Oh Kay this all packing a bag. That's all they just got the bag. Whatever go on so upset then pippen answers fat? Mary's complaint. Mary feel the weight less. When you've walked off some of your own house in Helmet that one of you some say it's here some say it's there as it moves around then? Why doesn't stay in one place? Els Very Elfish nevermore driven. Do Well We. That's what looked to know. Well go no further tonight for one. There is tacit agreement. Sam stands up and unrolls his bed blankets looking out at the setting sun when the stones in the west rest is the best when the sun's in the east sought the faced. Mary Mimes eating an enormous breakfast. Sam Prepares froze bed. FRODO was pensive than something makes them shudder. A thought or an intuition commission plaque riders. It's this is not the right Music Post Toil Brandy Brandy on those black writers. It's funny when they've gone. It feels like they would never here when they're here. It feels like they'll never leave and when they do go. You can't remember what they looked like for looks around nervously. The Dell has fallen into twilight meister if you think about them too much they'll never leave you let see you GANDALF's fireworks. You can see them. If you close your eyes. They all follow Pippen's example and squeeze there is close and now they all sit grinning and sighing in a gentle reverie of remembered pleasure. The hobbits are far away in their beloved Shire again. This is rudely interrupted by the chilling sound of geese screaming their eyes open and they look around. A Gust of wind swirls about them the geese shriek and a donkey in a nearby field begins to bray quickly. The hobbits gather up their belongings. It's black writer. I can feel it. Sam picks up a stout stick and serve as the perimeter of their camp. Suddenly a flock of frightened crows cawing over. Hey Oh the braying in donkey appears and crashes through their camp panic. Seizes the hobbits come on anyway and my Mary to you were buried. I'm Sam on my bad anywhere. You literally did Mary. Ann One line down. You know the guy. They've been playing like two. Yeah one two three. I expected it to be about anywhere and off. He runs the others at his heels and soon they were in full flight lake past the little farmyard in the yard a dog howls and across their stumbling. Path appears a black cat. Hissing its shackles high. Jackals it says shackles must be hackles tackles it must have been an auto correct on his typewriter. Ch they wanted yes. They run blindly on caught by the terror at their heels crying out themselves exterior field night over a moonlit plowed field panic stricken the four hobbits fallen stumble forces in sheep. runamuck birds scatter from the trees. Please frodo trips. And falls to his knees but salmon await from the trees and the earth itself begins to resound with the beat of hooves frodo Kroto trips and falls to his knees but Salmon Pip and drag him to his feet. Ahead is a dark menacing forest exterior forest night. They oh God. I hope we get Tom Baum and Dylan the script. WHO's a he's the bomb odil? You'll find out. I hope boy. They plunged into its thickets daring to look back as the hooves beat closer but the woods seems to open to let them pass been closed behind them as they zigzag through the branches branches and brambles they're being chased by analogous to help come up they risk a glance back and see the dark form of the black rider. Enmeshed Ashton dense undergrowth and the flash of a great scimitar cutting away. Through what what the branches seem to fight back thrashing at the Horse The hobbits run on getting further and further away from the rider. They keep running deep into the forest until they can run no more they come to a stop at struggle for breath they look back no sign if their pursuer did you say the trees side Frodo looks around the impenetrable forest surrounding them do the that trees just as there are good and bad habits was just finished. Talking when pippin falls also the ground with a curse and jumps angrily to his feet again. Tripped me up. Mary manages a snorkeling laugh. They don't they ridiculous. Mary goes over to where pippen stands and immediately crashes to the ground himself falling over the same route. He leaps up again clinches his this at the tree which owns the route. Now try stuff with mayow. Cut you down. The forest creeks and groans owns angrily in response. All these characters are fucking morons. They're just all so stupid. There are heroes heroes. I hope the tree eats them. I hope there's like soup or character growth. And they like March back into the Hobbit as their into the Shire is like heroes Like they did in the book like maybe they're actually setting them up up as Tom. Foolery idiots yeah fixes it. There's no direction though. I don't know what they're doing. They're just they're regardless characters and I'm in guidelines world. I don't know what the going on counter. Yeah I mean this is literally like Abbott and Costello hostile. Oh meet Laurel and hardy on the way to the three stooges. It's just buffoonery. There's no into the. I don't know what the end is. When this thought? So they know the answer to Riven Dell and then it's going to be like. Oh Oh good. You're here safely you've brought us the ring that it's we're going to explain now. What if what if the script never explained the ring is I need five percent them getting the Riverdale? Oh Yeah we got the volcano everything we have these giant eagles. They'll just fly the ring down volcano and he just walks out the door that one look. They're throwing turnips own. They they they get past all the ORCS by telling them they're just going to play hide and seek and that they need to. You should go to the tavern. The hard meets back on the menu winks at camera. Sam Laughs at Mary but as he steps back a swooping branch catches him in the back and sends him sprawling. Sam Sam rises and I sat in anger. You black hearted tree may devour you woodworm worm. I read that as wormwood to pulls out his axe which he has an Russia's at the tree his uplifted arm brandishing. It angry tremors run through the forest a low branch knocks the acts. Out of Sam's hand Sam is thrown off balance spins around and goes crashing into the tree. The trunk groans the branches. Toss and quiver. Sam is frightened at the effect of his words. Be Big TRAE. Are you forgive me but please excuse me. I didn't mean it all the plants and my God love me. FRODO GOES TO SAM side. He looks around anxiously at the restless restless tree. It's the black riders fault. Sam is full of remorse. He talks chokes boys big tree. No Fred go to sleep. Photo looks on anxiously as Sam tries to placate the tree. We just read that. And that just fuck doc is this. I wish I knew more about the language of trees like Bilbo. I want to know how to make the would move drink. Water go to sleep big tree. frodo picks up SAMs cadence. Eat US dig. Deep drink. Wallet Goes Asleep. Look Sam the tree is quietening down. Earth dig deep drink Walter Salmon. Frodo continue their chant and Mary and pippen join in. Because that's not ridiculous for the anger of the tree subsides. Yes the leaves begin to flutter softly Marian Pippen look up and the hypnotic flutter of the leaves makes them drowsy. Threes logs US did it. I don't know if I can do this. Oh sorry I have one we. We should get off the ground with these black riders. Prowling about big tree. Gives Seltzer nonstop. Rhyming you bitch. The tree seamstress to respond with a quiver and Salmon Frodo notice Marian Pippen staggering like drunks fighting off sleep Salmon Frodo feel the hypnotic effect active. The fluttering leaves staggering. They managed to grasp Barium Pippen and dragged into the tree. They help them up. The four hobbits climb into the tree sleep overtakes them they sink into the thick soft foliage. which seems to cradle them as his his eyes close fro continues to chance? WHO's Lana Zak? Sam Down a slide. That sounds line. Eat Earth dig deep drink. Four the go-to sleep exterior the big tree. Go to sleep early early morning. Sunlight dappling through the leaves. Sam Shakes frodo awake loot master. FRODO FRODO sits up and squeaks out. Move Right on the edge of the forest. I was sure we would deepen. It's hot pippen. Wakes up at that point well trees can walk can may I wish they could cook. I'm starving they look out at the open country road it is broken and rocky with stunted trees. He's a mist hangs over it. Not at all pleasant. Well we don't know where we are over. We're going so we might as we'll start walking the way. We're point exterior country foggy day. The hobbits walk in silence aimlessly in whatever direction they were facing when they woke up. Because that's what the heroes do so in the midst lies over low over the ground and visibility is getting worse. Sam is startled by something behind him. It's Marcus Aurelius decimates. Take cover as a black writer again. they all fall to the ground finding the shelter of some Lichen covered rocks and I would like like to formerly formerly think Kelly for correcting my pronunciation of the word Lichen which I had not heard out loud oude until she told me how to pronounce it on this very show. Oh were you saying before letting listen Lytton. I only know that because as of David attenborough watching natural shows. Of course liken I I only know everything. Because of David Attenborough the world you attenborough taught me how to fuck. Yeah no shit right like wow. That's fucking deep deep. It's David attenborough. Tom Adila together. Bach David attenborough. The brother of Drastic Park Guy. Yeah Sam Neill. No the Richard Attenborough was was the guy that created addressing park in the movie. Oh you know with his cane with the John John John John had. I had no expense. That actress brothers David Attenborough but he Does the narration on Planet Earth Documentary. Yeah you didn't have. PBS Alabama. What what was it like Billy Dee Williams didn't even though he taught me how to get laid? But I gotTA figure out after that so hand shoots first Surrey Lady Suck. You've got knicks. Wait no no no no no what are you doing. Don't please don't touch. Ah Touch Anyway get by the time. Well they they hide in Bushes Heroes and they talked to the bushes very nicely. So it's just a never ending series of hiding in bushes waiting for is this guy just Dalla Ping encircles fucking knows lame. visit have a bow naked. Like shoot Arrow at these motherfuckers. Like glad chose over this book. Hey don't judge is getting laid in reading this thing about the only thing sexy about this book is s the Black Rider chaser. Bob Is trying to get puts Sam points they watch anxiously and after a moment. Catch a glimpse of a horseman. Drifting ghost is like through the fog he disappears and they wait straining to pierce the fog with there is again. The writer appears fleetingly. This time much closer. You're clicking quiet. He leads the way and they set off at a crawling. Run away from the rider. They can hear the hooves quite distinctly behind them. They begin to imagine writers everywhere. They quicken their pace. Fear verging once again on panic. Sam Collides with the boulder in the frying frying pan on his pack makes a clanging ring in response. A deep voice calls out from behind them. Sure the voice voice flings actually Josh. Can you can read that again him. You always it seems to say the hobbits look at each other in alarm mm-hmm happenings. He can hear US moving. We must hide with discussed. Yeah I don't I don't know what that's about. But athletes he can hear mover. We must flaying. You're afraid of anymore. Like fucking Laura. Now bits they push on running hard hard keeping low. The sound of hooves is close. Behind and again the voices calling say's The hobbit scuttle scuttle away zigzagging among the boulders suddenly they catch a glimpse through the drifting fog of three black writers emerging from behind a knoll role and fanning out making this ameliorer sniffing sniffling sounds as if they are following a sense. The hottest crees on the spot. Then carefully they backtrack tiptoeing through the boulders in silence and fear not knowing what to do they hear a horse galloping towards them they bolt away the horse jumps Iraq coming to a a rearing halt in in front of the terrified hobbits. The writer leaves to the ground. He is a towering figure with a long leathery face and keen blue eyes. Sam Showing Great Bravery ISM showing great bravery draws his long kitchen knife and trembling struts up to the man Black writer same game G. Yes scam jammed. I'M SAM game g Harvard's of the CYA turn and fight and fight fair. If you know how SAM trembles his teeth. Eighth Cheddar a slight smile touches the lips of the man and softens the melancholy of his deep lined. Face he regards the four hobbits which views view is Frodo. The hobbits are stunned that the man should know froze name they exchange looks the snuffing sounds are heard again I am. The man turns to Frodo the only habit who has not spoken. Do you bear it merits bell what I see you do it draws them who all you. Why have you pursued us? If you're not a black writer no question mark the ranger. Oh are we not supposed to be camping here without a permit or you guys need to put your your food as you guys carrying around a lot of food you should put her in a barrel and hang it from a tree pretty far from your camp he signals that they be still will they listen snuffing sounds again approach from all sides. He casts a commanding glance at the hobbits and motions. That they follow him. The the hobbits obey running after the ranger. Why are we going with him? What else can we do? I don't like to look of him. The Shrill who beats the black riders are pursuing them and seem about to engulf them. The hobbits are unable to maintain the rangers pace he sees this glancing glancing back and realizes that further flight is hopeless. He stops holding up one hand. Stand and fight for a moment. The hobbits believed that he means with him. It is open plane and they are very vulnerable the fog drifts about them. The ranger crosses his arms arms and draws to soil. Sit there there. The two broken halves of one sort. How do you draw the broken? A half where you go there with. You broke US swords. I guess you know. So in the book key carries the shards of norse ill with him him at all times and that's his only weapon but it's basically just like the hilt and a little bit of blade and the rest is just like loose loose bits in the thing. That's the sword that broke defeating. Sal Ron and cutting the ring off hand what am I gonNA lose sword. Because in movie movie he does and the shards of our seal are in Rindell Intel the third movie and they reforge it in the books. He carries it with him because he he is the heir of Israel door and the rightful king of Gondar and the sword is his birthright. It's just a knife. It's not a sword anymore. Yeah but what is bad ass is like bite me bid you got a little dagger okay all right all right. Look if you had a sword or a knife say say if you had a knife that you knew for a fact seal team six had cut cut Osama bin Laden's throat with but it broke. You'd be like time to get a new knife. Yes I would go somewhere nice. I'll be like like it belongs. Museum Museum with their. And I'm GonNa get something I'm GonNa get a gun the better I'm GonNa put it on the wall right next to my. Ah My thors hammer or sell it for a real boy sword like fucking us. It's not GonNa get me killed. Ching inheritance doesn't mean shit unless you live long enough to one hand brandishes the original handle title while the other grasp some makeshift handle of leather bound around the blades showed the shoulder make a ring. Duct taped together. He he made a shank out. Say Get us ever lean in the ranger in the tiny hobbits ebbets form a little circle their cutlery pointing out into the fog immediately to writers burst upon them. One has a scimitar. Which side is the air and the other source so sharp it cut through the era? Cut The air And the other bears a long lance the ranger drops to his knee to avoid the blade swings his swords in an arc over his head words. The two black horses lurch away. The hobbits throw themselves to the ground and the rangers horses above them giving some protection from another direction. A black writer charges and the Rangers Horse rears at the oncoming. Who swerves away? The ranger drags there the hobbits to their feet. Get up Haflinger protect your master. He pulls Frodo to his feet but when he releases Assim Frodo sinks to his knees again Frodo is half swooning. Oh this ranges so dreamy. His hand goes to the ring. His Eyes Eyes glaze the black riders charged once again the ranger thrusts out his two swords toward the sound of hooves. FRODO MOANS as they a Gallup together charging in the ring precious the leading horse catches the ranger with its flank ink and hurls him to the ground he crashes into the hobbits. The Rangers Horse rears up causing one writer to swerve away a Scimitar Scimitar slices across their heads. A lance stabs the ground an inch from froze lake. FRODO crawls away into the fog. He has the ring out now. The other hobbits stagger to their feet Sam sees the Frodo has gone he calls out muster master fro the the writers charge again. FRODO can bear it no longer. His face. As agonized he slips on the ring. The writers charged passed between mean Frodo and the others Sam catches a glimpse of Frodo just before the Horse is obscure his view. When they are gone Frodo has disappeared? They've taken in him as Frodo becomes invisible. His perception changes the fog disappears. His vision becomes extremely vivid. He sees the the black riders as they slow and slowdown in turn. Ready to attack again the ranger in the hobbits point their weapons out pathetically into the fog which which no longer exists for Frodo. The world of sound is changed to. He cannot hear the hoof beats nor with the Ranger and Sam or calling out instead. He's assailed by a dense crashing. Clamor of voices all nine riders. Turn clearly they now. Since the area of his presence they charged him in a failing six they seem to come very slowly swerving and lurching as they draw draw in inexorably closer. They grow larger. They ride on towards frodo ignoring the ranger. In the hobbits. There are now twice three times normal size. They reining their horses above Frodo. And each one extends a black gloved fists is towards him on each hand. gleams Garish ring. Nine hands and rings come down toward him and a voice chance hance above all the others is GonNa read. Alan acknowledged nine rings for the mortal men doomed to die by a land has raised descending slowly towards Frodo Frodo sees the blind luminescent skull like faces. The Wall of voices seems to crush him down. Subtle seductive voices voices screaming in pain. Voices singing strange plaintiff songs and Chants Hands Children Wailing and through them all another voice booms struggling to d heard trying to warn Frodo Gandalf Gandalf. The writers movements have become slower and slower. Until the moment that the lands descends on Frodo becomes utterly suspended. The writer stand above frodo frozen in time as frodo struggles in the dimension of sound trying to hear what Gandalf is saying a the sharp evil lands point the moments of of his death is poised above him over me. The ring would gain a power still in greater more the other voices scream down gandalf's voice frodo tears the ring off his finger. The the moment of suspected times released suspended time that makes more sense is released the voices ease the land. Plunges lunges down at him FRODO rolls away from it but not far enough in its point pierces his shoulder. The fog returns Sam spots Frodo and cries out. Yeah so do the other. See Him to catch a glimpse of Lances and Scimitar blindly stabbing improving the Earth about froze crumpled body. Ah desperately searching for Frodo who is now quite visible the ranger swings his sword and runs to froze aid but the writers have gone disappearing into the fog. The Ranger Lifts Frodo into his arms blood seeps from his wound and Frodo is barely conscious the ranger considers for a moment peering into the fog. Then down at the anxious faces of the terrified hobbits the ranger. Galvanizes Elvin is into action. He Sits Frodo on his horse and then bundles the other hobbits up behind him hold on for your life and his Sam puts out his arm around Frodo. The ranger breathes the word into the horse's ear. The river the horse snorts the ranger gives it a mighty slap on the rear and gallops ups off be faster than a sinking hope. What the fuck is a terrible life alantic bearable on the the Horse Bolts? Also away the four hobbits paying on precariously return of his brief word from our our sponsors. What's up dachshund dockets Trevor Thompson the self-appointed looney tunes critic here? And if you like old cartoons and watching online reviewers dissect them then you probably say the same thing I did about a two years ago. Hey what the fuck. Every Saturday morning. I do a brand new commentary of Warner Brothers Short all throughout the month. I do video. Essays examining the history of these cartoons. No catch my videos on YouTube dot com slash wheelhouse too or just use the Hashtag looney tunes credit now. Here's Eric Thousand. The New Voice of Bugs Bunny looney tillage critic borough global which means your script Ain't worth the buffalo shit on a nickel detail reads so here we are and here. The script is happening still I hi. My hope is sinking. That's how fast my horse goes faster than a sinking hope. Our break Did run late in the show because this scene was so long it was not faster than sinking hope. No as much all that was okay then line terrible. It's pretty brutal. And just this introduction of strider strider the ranger airborne spoilers Almost three people or one person one person he has a lot of names. Striker's coup gonNA strider is his ranger name. That he goes by but he's really era. GORN SON OF ERA Thorn King Elisar the rightful heir of gone door. The era of of is still door et CETERA but Still Getting Poon Doc. Still smashing pufus. Read me about this news lineage. And I'm just stares you know we talk about that man and he'll fuck and you I know you. Well let's still Batman script so many you'll be so mad about it. It'd be better. It'd be really but I got the Smash Push Wall Red Batman. It was cool dude. It's like Oh Batman cool. You wouldn't get say baby. Let's go down crying. Alley took it. Batman gathered in the psychology of it. I wouldn't like getting her. Check it out. I'm lucky son of its estrogen. The third of his name like he's got a sword. How long has this is lame? Let's go down crime malleable. Put some bullets in your ovaries to. I'm at about a break. Your Pearl Martha Ovary the best thing about. Tonight's I'm GonNa get you hobbit hole will you said is the thing Shaik's feed in exterior valley. I just I know when to give up playing this character three exterior valley and River Day. The Rangers horse breaks out of the fog and into a valley at the bottom of which runs a river. Okay Hey this is what I wanted to say about about the introduction of Aragon here is they don't have any reason to trust him. He doesn't say who he is. He says what his job is like. And it's not even cop who turns up in his like I'm an elevator repairman. Follow me and you're just like all right I trust this Guy Dandruff. You've already done it. He was like go to Riverdale. Beats him rule. WH- where's it. Established wind is a genus guy and everybody starts shouting his name and then he turns up in like Mike. I'm fucking yeah. No Lady Gaga winter names on the side of my. Oh yeah the lady Gaga was told you to go somewhere you'd be like chased by Serandon does take this ring and go to the town. We just made a way better movie. I WanNa see this movie. We are stuck it out like Las Vegas. The Lady Gaga's shows up with some fireworks. Take this all straight face like. She's walking around the room a ring on the table. Take it put it on that you put it. What is this thinking? I don't know no I can't read her poker face lady Gaga. Is that a fancy baby poker face the fanciest baby my job guys I've got you acknowledge. monsters. Better the flu. This fucking move. Roma the Rangers horse breaks out of the fog into a valley at the bottom which runs or river around them. They now see see the black riders trailing whiffs of Dust Converging on the habits from all direction. These fucking black writers are still happening. They're racing the habits to the river. Sam has difficulty in keeping frozen dead weight from fall fall. It looks like failing really. It's a little bed xeroxing from falling. The wind sweeps the blood from four photos wound back onto him it frosts and darkens. It's gross gross. Gross how are they going to show that Sam sees the river ahead of me going to show. How would they any of that would be a film win sweeping in blood back onto him in frothing and getting better like in seventy shit with a fan you zoom in such interesting? They'd rejected the script. Jeff that's why we're reading. I put me play okay. So little back story story. According to John Berman this was a period where like optical and practical special effects had really fallen into disuse people. Just like we're like well. We had million the thirties. And we just really don't care about special effects forever after that until Lucas comes along seven seven years after this so he says that he came up with all kinds of new methods and technologies to do the special effects for this movie. He devised them himself and eventually used them next. Caliber and czar does. But or you say he also said them he also said I wrote a good script so we can't trust that man he is unreliable. Narrator history will never remember his lying. He did direct deliverance paddle faster. WHOA JEFF hasn't seen deliverance seen? I'm just trying to remember if there was like the character development in that started like yeah change. You changed a lot. Yeah there's lots of character development. You like like chilled pulled out bras. Like Oh this is fun livers based on a book or did he was that original idea. I don't know I don't know be interesting to to see if this guy went from like maybe a city adapter but like when he's trying to form his own stories like a better put that in there ever put all like the Banjo scene and shit like that The character development for the movie started but now everybody just remembers it for any amount and the black rider appears nine year. Darkens is where we were. Sam sees the river ahead and the nine black writers converging from all sides some from the left some from the right some some from behind we know what sides are to step. They all Froth Darken as Mary turns and sees a black writer catching up he waives the frying pans award off. The the light flashes off of the Pan and for a moment. Blinds the writers flux you you look at it waivers and loses stride on the other side of the placid river behind great trees. A light glows news and SAM catches a glimpse of Palace Crystal River Lyndale approaching the river. The Rangers horse slows down while the riders drive their horses. On the Rangers Horse starts to Wade across converging from all directions. The black writers come galloping up to the river almost colliding into each other like a bunch of dirt there is a confusion of rearing black horses than the writers drive. Their mounts into the water deep inhuman cries come from the writers chilling. The blood of the hobbits. Well how do you read this individual salary. Suddenly a wave of water floods the river as if materializing out of the spray mounted elven warriors on ponies. Yeah the color of foam there. Maine's entails flying like the surf about them six Gallup down the center of the river they charge into the black riders Jousting them into the water. Jousting them into the way. We have never seen like that. That used that way. Like I'm GonNa joust you. We've won the competition this day. All except one who had not yet entered the river Frodo falls into the Water Sam plunges after him an Elf jumps down laughing with joy and pulls frodo out Marian Pippen's scrambled toward the bank the elven horsemen their the ponies prancing. Break into cheers of victory. The Dude I saw Sam Marion Pippen barely able to stand up up in the fast running. Water look around in amazement. The bodies of the black riders are dissolving in the water and from the dissolving carcasses issues. A black slime. They did it. Yeah they did. We beat them we won. That's hey beaten us go you just give them a bath jousting contests sue to make any sense. What the fuck is the rest of the script about who are they gonNA fight in Rohan? Yeah where like they were the row. Hurry I'm going to fight. It doesn't matter. Let's get the ring to wherever it's supposed to be capable to do whatever we're supposed to be doing. We've got hundred and forty pages left. Assume most drawn bad load on the first episode beers earlier hangover now howling swords in hand. The ranger is running at incredible speed toward the river. The surviving black writer turns his horse and rears it up against the ranger. Who crashes into the underside of the Horse? Toppling it over into the river holy Shit. The elves cheer her again the Black Rider dissolves into a slimy review lead of dark liquid which flows downstream intact running snake like between the rocks and snake like the liquid remains of the black riders. Coil and wind into each other. ARE THEY GONNA turn into like one massive black writer I they become venom end of thought it was over when they cheered and then they fought another one in the meets here together. Yeah Oh let's fuck that. Yeah Oh shit we missed one SPITS riverdale bid we they're fucking people they're saving are just like around and in the fucking water laughing. They got the Alpha's feed out. They got a lot of work ahead so they got to riverdale two episodes in the it's uh-huh out there is going to take forever because we got it like so part of the show is making it entertaining. What we're reading? Look you guys. They're just clearly really not very clear on the the Tolkien. mythos everybody knows. The Nas- Guler made of cornstarch. They're great for thickening Mu Guy Pan Right. They're they're basically That that stuff that the gastro scientists make at aggregate I fucked Lexington. It's for eggs when you edit this. Just put the right thing. Wow saw John. How did you know that no? I've never heard of that thing when he said here's the thing you're thinking about. We have a an important connection with our listeners. They need to know the real me. Including when I'm looking more on not you you knew a thing existed existed didn't know the name I have no idea what we're talking about to even get to forgetting the name busy too busy banging poon. I'm talking hard ARD. Look you just watch fourteen seasons of of top chef and you'll figure it out oh oh. MSG That's just the list they make they make like balls of liquids that you can pop in your mouth and it's the stuff that makes the membrane now. I'm not you know what he's totally gated. It does. We'll tell everybody on the next episode or they'll tell us on twitter at the table if you tell us what the hell we're talking about I'll send you a pair of so your tweet Yeah we're on twitter at the table. Reads on Instagram. At the table reads. It's on facebook at facebook. Dot Com slash table reads Josh. What do you got? I got an email address emmy at Joshua Baker Dot Com. If you want me to send you a pair of my socks just send me an email. And what if they wanted to. I also do video and some voice over work as well interested in. You forgot to do all this last episode. 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The Last Dance, Re-living the Demise of the 90s Bulls, and the NBAs Quarantine Bubble With Bill Simmons | The Mismatch

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The Last Dance, Re-living the Demise of the 90s Bulls, and the NBAs Quarantine Bubble With Bill Simmons | The Mismatch

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The money goes directly to world central kitchen in its charitable donation once again. That's the ringer dot com slash W. C. K. And now time for the mismatch welcome to bring NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon join me every Tuesday from the ringer dot com. It's Kevin O'Connor AK Kevin Obama Kevin Concert Kevin O. Climber Kevin O. Controversy Kevin O. Comment Caravan. What's going on Chris. We get a special guest. Don't we we do have a very special guest big boss? Bill Simmons has dropped in for today's ringer. Mba show. Hello Bill. What an honor so proud to be here so happy froude honored bill all right we have to start with like everybody in the free world. Watch the last dance the other night. It appears Draymond. Green did too and draymond green went on a podcast yesterday. uninterrupted W RT s after. Show party with Paul Rivera and Maverick Carter. No less And he likened their last season with Kevin Durant the warriors to what he had just watched on. Tv with the last season of the Bulls and he didn't hold back and he said one of the things from watching it. Was that what you saw? Is everybody kind of set it up like this is going to be the last year and so there was none of that elephant in the room hanging out there for their team That last warriors team with Durant and said that you know. Steve tried to deal with it but Kevin was asked about it every day. Dream on saying I want to be a warrior for Life Klay say and I want to be a warrior for life and then there was this elephant in the room the entire year and it was almost as if he watched the last dance and thought Jeez They handled that a lot. Better like hanging out there the whole year. Everybody knew that was going to be the end and so they just treated it that way the whole year. What you guys think. I mean ownership didn't handle it better. The player of the players may have the players may have handled it at worst. And Scottie Pippen you know getting the surgery when he did wanting out you know Jordan thinking was selfish but ownership on the warriors side of things. At least their goal is building with sustainability. They WANNA keep steph curry and Klay Thompson and continue winning. Reisen Dorf in Krause and the Bulls were ready to pull the plug after the first three championships. Trying to trade pippen for camp granted that still a win but then after it it's about China. Tear Down Arriba. I don't see that from the warriors now but it is fascinating. How much history has repeated in some ways with the disease of more and whatnot that manifested with Katie? Always being jealous of steph curry in the spotlight that he received and you look at what the Bulls went through in the nineties. I it is hard to see the parallels from the players side. We think I didn't see it. I just think Jerry mind was a I think he was a little narcissistic with it is totally different situation. Durant in that situation is basically the Rodman character. Rodman was on the Bulls for three years. Durant shows up for three years pushes him to another level but other I mean the bulls thing was so different Jordan and pippen were together for you know twelve years and there were Phil Jackson for. I don't know it was at least nine or whatever and everything was the same and they were just going going going and they had all these different ups and downs and that warriors thing you know they durant was on that team for blip was if you add up when when he actually showed up and then when he left. It's less than three years. It's like thirty months It's not a perfect comparable for for either team. But I do think you know the players you know seeking that attention. Wanting what's there's at I think with that aspect there's some similarities but overall though I mean I'm with you in the sense that ownership in front office objectives here are far different in what the Bulls wanted to do in the nineties with Crowson. Reisen Dorf is far different than what the warriors are trying to do with Myers and and warriors ownership. Now right I mean the differences with the warriors thing. It was one person undermining the whole thing. Durant yeah the Bulls thing it was. It was like a bad marriage with you. Know eight nine different people. All knowing like the marriage is ending and I think with the warriors they kept trying to pull durant back in that second season when he was there was when it started to fall apart in the third season. I still feel like they felt like it might be salvageable until they had that clippers game and then after that I think there are some similarities with the chemistry. Let's say let's say this. Let's say draymond. His way would have played out the way he wanted to write like. I don't buy for one second. If Kevin Durant started that season said this is my last year with the warriors it still would have been a problem like the right here the whole year by the way. He should have done that though. That's how he should have handled it and I think part of the problem is he didn't handle it that way. And you know the players and the team new organization. They knew he was leaving. They knew about all the New York stuff they thought it was gonna be the Knicks but they knew he was leaving. It was by especially by February march ever in the league new so I think from that standpoint underminded what's the elephant in the room. That draymond talking about that. You know what I'm saying if they all had this understanding Kevin. Ain't going to be with US after this year. Then why is he acting like it was a problem throughout the entire year? That Kevin was just saying Oh. I don't know we'll see we'll because I think Kevin probably agree with this. I think there was still hope that he might do a one eighty. You know I I think that. And honestly with the with the ninety eight balls and you're gonNA find out in the tenth part it came a lot closer to everybody coming back except for Rodman I I think they knew Rodman was done but I think once they actually won. I think there was a moment there where they were like Holy Shit. What are we doing? We gotTA defend this again. I think with the warriors they were always trying to pull durant back and even if you think about the playoffs before he got hurt remember how credible he was A. I mean the first rounded half like this guy is clearly the best player in the League and then he gets hurt. I still wonder if they had won the title with him. Kevin do you think he leaves? They win the title. Do you think he's like all right guys. I'll see you later. Part of be still wonders if that actually happens but you know. That was part of the reason it went. Well maybe they always had that hope like you said I mean everybody knew everybody was talking about it as you mentioned that. Katie was likely leaving for people thought the Knicks of the time. And that's more in the back seat. It seemed until he actually made that decision. But I mean you just don't know sometimes when it comes to hearing what players are thinking in hearing players designs. Arcadi or anybody else sometimes. It's dangerous to ride that wave. 'cause you know one week it's one thing the next week at something else because that's what it is for players. They changed their mind. Just like any other people do so especially hit war yes especially Katie and so for the warriors it would make sense not to assume a hundred percent. Katie's leaving despite everything that's happening right now and for them obviously. It didn't work out but they want to titles of them It was great to have him and moving forward for that team. At least they're trying to continue winning and I mean they're going to be right there at the top championship contention as soon as basketball resumes. Chris I I will say this. I think if you put that kind of ninety three to ninety eight stretch of the Bulls in the modern era with twitter and the way we cover basketball. Now I don't I don't think it survived until nineteen ninety eight especially the pip and stuff you think about like 'cause we knew believe me. I was there for all of this. We knew what PIPPA was doing at the time when he got his surgery and it was a story but it just basketball wasn't covered the same way he almost left out in the dock like he almost got traded to the Celtics Ninety seven and that was a that was a big draft. A thing where it was going to be the number three and six pick in the nineteen ninety eight number. One Pippen. Patino is trying to do that as his first big move and by all accounts almost happen. You think about that trade. It would have been chauncey. Billups was Ron Mercer. Could've been T- MAC. Could take a t max six. And then the ninety eight first. Rounder is Paul Pierce that that so thank God for the Celtics. That didn't happen but you know. He was in trade rumors for that. He was in trade rumors for Shawn. Kemp I think him specifically making as little money as he was making. That deal went along I I think that would create. I think the Internet and just the day to day of it. He would've gone crazy. Why didn't they try them? They almost did. They did. Did REINSDORF step in on that? Because you've got a guy who clearly said. I play my last game in a bulls uniform and then they say that he you know He. Requests a trade. You know that cross wants to trade him. Why did it Trae does not happen? It was Jordan right. Well it's a little Jordan but I think ultimately They should have made the celtic straight. I mean honestly they if you think about that trade where you're getting a third pick six pack and a future unprotected number one the following year for guy who can leave in a year like it's almost like kind of criminal. They didn't do that the other one. When they almost did the Shawn Kemp trade which I can't remember what year that was but camp hadn't had any problems yet like he was still like it looked like he was a Carl Malone type guy and I think that was earlier that might have even been in the early nineties I'M GONNA look it up after Kevin starts talking but But I remember that one that would have been a really fun one too because I think Jordan could have changed the trajectory of Kemp's career. You know Kemp Kemp was the guy who ended up having a lot of problems In Jordan had this knack of either he brought the best out of you or he discarded you. You know somebody camp who was just so talented. One of things I love about. This. Doc is just. I feel like Kevin's generation. I'm I'm GonNa Throw Kevin on the bus. The Kevin Generation like they just weren't there for Jordan and I don't mean to be like the I was there guy but it was really interesting watching the reactions where people are like Holy Shit Jordan had sixty three against the Celtics stuff that I've just known my whole life and I just forget sometimes that if you're under thirty why would you know this. Why would you have a Jordan opinion? You know and the other thing is you and I Bill We grew up. And you'd Watch the O. Clips and you're like. Yeah Right Bob. Cousy dribbling around with one hand. He's probably not scoring now. There's no way you could watch all those Jordan highlights and think that doesn't translate to what we watch each scoring now. It's not like our our group would watch old highlights and it seemed like a distant memory And you watch those guys and you go. They would get swallowed up in a league now whereas there's nobody that can't watch that and like he's he says what is anybody. That's in the League today. I mean you watch you watch pippen highlights and today thinking about Ooh Magin him in today's league five position versatility in the defensive van he'd be a big point forward running the show greater the average like six seven assists during the nineties. Three as you probably be empowered to be the full time point guards. I mean there's a difference in that aspect for sure I mean I've said this before. I've said it's hard for me as someone who was born in nineteen ninety two when comes to the goat debate. You Know Lebron and Michael Jordan whoever else you want to throw in that Corinne debate. It's hard for me to be part of that as someone who didn't live through Michael Jordan. I've said that before and I think it's nice to have this documentary for people my age or younger much younger. That weren't even able to experience Jordan while it was happening even a little bit producer. Bobby's producing this podcast. He probably thinks like Steph. Curry is the greatest of all time. Twenty four already ever heard of Michael Jordan slowed down a little bit. I had hardwood classics. Have Gone Back and watch what point of playing basketball in high school to just go back and watch all the Jordan finals rounds but that was about it. You're right I didn't live through it day today so I didn't really understand like the mentality of the players. He was going against which I know is obviously a big thing that people use in the argument for Jordan. Just nobody ever thought they were going to win. So the biggest thing now. I feel like I missed out on young on this Chris. The it's not. The thing is not a debate. The only way Lebron is even in the consideration is just for the duration of how long he's played but I think by the time people finish this ten parts. They're just gonNA feel stupid. Jordan took out every every single rival. He had for an entire decade he vanquished of them and he was the best at everything and you know especially some of the younger people are like well. You know he look in his three point. Shooting percentage or whatever say it's like if Jordan had known three pointers we're GONNA be as important as they became in two thousand twenty. Guess what he would have been the best three point shooter. He just would've shot a million of them and he was shot forty five percent from three. He was athletically like perfect. And you watch you. What you'll see is this thing. Goes along his footwork? His athleticism his intelligence the way he could breakdowns of like Kirk. Goldsboro had peace with the shot charts from the last two years. He is by far the best mid range shooter. Ever you know this was a guy with people play in real defense on them. Who would make like fifty five percent of his seventeen eighteen footers? There's never anything like it. Even Kobe who was doing a Jordan impersonation like just was not on the same level. So I'm excited. That people actually are like really realizing how good he was. Lebron's career is still being written. Though not over yet there could be more championships to come. There can be no more. Who knows but it's still being written and that's another reason why. I think it is a bit hard to compare the two when when Lasagna well and it comes down to twenty five years of Lebron verse fourteen years or whatever and and at some point it just keeps playing and playing say like he had a greater career but I. I don't think you could say he was a greater player. He just wasn't you. Were talking about the media coverage and how much different it is now. And I know you've seen this footage you in fact said with Ryan you got to look at this years ago when you were trying to put together a Horton Doc. I wonder everybody now. Every kid your kids. My kids they Kevin for that matter. They grow up with a camera in their face right. They know how to act on camera. I'm interested in what this footage is going to show and being that you have already seen what we are going to see going forward. Is there any chance? Another team would allow a camera crew to be embedded as this one was once upon a time for answer that the draft night nineteen ninety four. It was pippen for Shawn Kemp Ricky Pierce. And they swapped first round picks. Wow and that was like the Bulls. Try and rebuild. Because they didn't know if they're gonNA have Jordan back so that happens they're getting camp right is he's becoming like Karl Malone basically Yes so with that footage and stuff you say the the second half of this documentary. The last five episodes really starts diving into that ninety eight season in the playoffs and all that stuff and The thing I loved about it was it was like the weathering Jordan that I'd always heard about and I remember the. Oh Six all star game. I wrote a whole piece about just randomly sitting at the table next to him at the four seasons when he showed up with his friends and started playing cards and was like bullying people. And just being like cocky competitive Jordan and it was like. Oh this is the guy that everyone wrote about. And I think there's pieces of that in the dock and I people are going to really like it. It's not a hundred percent. Flattering for him. Either and I I I give him credit for being like fucking put it out there But for for the camera crew thing so Kobe I know. Kobe recorded like the last two years of his career and had a camera crew going everywhere and there was a famous story about That I am. I'm sure is true. I don't know if it's public but says the fucking aggregate are going to get in this but De Ngelo Russell apologizing to the team for the Nick Young thing and the whole teams in there and he's like all motion and then like halfway through. Kobe showed up with this camera. Crew was like what the fuck you guys doing starts making fun of A. He's actually like has the carers taping it but That footage is is starting to take on a life of its own to for people like oh I something. I'll tell you what would be the same as this but now that what happened with Kobe I think there will be some mystique with it. Was it was so set up because I was at a game. Where is Kobe's last season and he came here and there's a TV timeout right? So like you're nobody that you have to be the in the arena to see this and I'm not kidding you at the time out there over by the Lakers bench. A camera crew runs out. I'm talking with lights. And the whole thing and he and he brings the ref over like Bill Kennedy or somebody and he's talking. I'm like they are filming a fucking movie. See Yeah in the middle of this game. I'm like this is sanity. I've never I what is happening here. Another example was in the summer. Two thousand ten and weighed and by film their whole free agency thing and this was pitched us as a thirty for thirty. Wow but the funniest thing is. They didn't realize they had to get permission from the different teams and most of the teams were like. No fuck you taping our free agent pitch so they ended up. I think I think Ironically Daryl Morey was the only one who signs so there's video of Daryl Warriors Free Agency pitch with Chris. Bosh Ringer Doc. Yeah so those guys have had that forever. And I don't know if Dwayne Wade in putting it in his team but they had this. That was the era Kaz. Thirty thirty had already happened. And that was the the first year when athletes were like. Oh I can control my own narrative and the content. That's when Lebron does the decision that's the only way to have a camera crew sudden and then it kind of evolves to where we are now with these guys. I I just think were there. Were too familiar with these guys now. I don't think it would have the same kind of SPA. I would always feel like it was an infomercial. You know like Libron had a camera crew out. Oh is be like well. Why is he doing this? What are we are we seeing the real Lebron or like what? He wants us to see what I liked about this Jordan from ninety eight was it's the real Jordan and you see you're going to see in future episodes like the thing that struck me. Eleven years ago was Kinda how weird his life was where he couldn't go anywhere and he's just hanging out these four security guards and he's in a hotel suite at the Games he's hiding in the officials room a here. He has no human interactions. He was so famous way more famous than any athlete. We have now is so he was like the Beatles. He couldn't do anything so that was what his life was like. And I think that's why he would retired anyway debates for most valuable player and focusing on player analytics like the Greek Freak. Pr taken a back seat. 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We're GONNA talk about some of the things that we that we didn't know in the dock or that we took away from the dock and I am always most interested in people personally and like how became how they became and there was one thing that I didn't know that stood out to me probably the most that I I always feel this way when I'm reading a book and I'm like Oh that's why he's that way and it's this clip and it's not one that got played a lot of play but his dad is talking about. He basically says these got the older brother. His Dad favors the older brother. And Michael is the kind of kid that if you ask them for a Phillips head screwdriver he might give you a pair of pliers. I say go hang out with your mom and then you have this moment. Where older Jordan is saying like traumatic to grow up that way and that he was always trying to prove to his father or Dane. His father's attention and it's interesting because all three of US had sports dad's there some element of what drove us to what we like. Is that our it signifies moments with our father and our father pay pays attention to us because we're so involved in sports so we're not athletes but you always try to figure out like why is he like this. Why does he work harder than everybody? Why is he wired like this? And I don't even have to be like some kind of pop psychologist just watching that. I'm thinking like this whole this whole idea of father's approval which has been around since the beginning of time and I never thought I'd hear Michael Jordan say something about his childhood traumatic and yet here it is. He's talking about rolling up in his house fighting with his brothers and fighting for attention. And you do kind of get a window into. Oh that's why he wants to rip your heart out you know. He's been doing that since he was a little kid. It was crazy to me shows. How much personality in in our childhood shapes who we become. I mean Michael Jordan's. They mentioned both. My parents always taught hard. Work gave him hard lessons competitive family overall and that essentially activated and shaped him to become one of the most competitive men in history. And then you have Scottie Pippen. Who had his father and his brother who were confined to wheelchairs. And he's from intense poverty and that helped make him into the competitor who he wasn't shaped some of the choices he made like we saw. What signing the salary to in order to support his family it shows. How much background is needed when it comes to draft decisions when it comes to personnel decisions and it makes us all of us as people who are backgrounds. I definitely think. Kfc in his eighty seven draft guide would have loved pippen. Kfc was minus seven years old. I think he fucking loves. He loves him. Look rebuil- my story of like in the same thing that there with Rodman episode three these guys that are six one six two and they go to college and then they grow five. Six seven inches. Pippen grew five inches in college. Yeah but they're so they have point guards bodies and then all of a sudden go from six one two six seven and they keep all the skills which is the same thing that happened to Rodman. Rodman went from like five nine. Two six eight in a year and a half pippen thing is insane. And I don't think and I think this is because when you're robbing your story doesn't get told as much. I don't think that that's got enough. Play that the kid went to. He wasn't even he didn't. I always thought he went to Central Arkansas to play basketball and he wasn't. That good coming out is school. And that's why he went to Central Arkansas. He wasn't even on the team right he was. I mean for a kid and now that I went to a school it is the most important thing in the world to somebody from an NA AA school could go number five. I mean it would never happen again. Ever you would get some division one power five school would find out about you and by your sophomore year you would have transferred somewhere but Scottie Pippen going from not a player but in equipment manager on an Noaa school to the number five pick in the NBA draft might be the most incredible thing ever. Well the other thing with that. I don't know if the if the DOC I it's really good I don't know if it totally captures in the first two parts were Jordan. Meant to kids and teenagers. Because I was. Yeah Obviously Diehard Boston Fan I love Jordan and Jordan was like our guy you know we'd always heard about Dr J. and Connie Hawkins Eligibility for these guys Jordan was like. Oh this is our guy. His posters were cool. He had ads here. He had all these things and by the time. We got to the eighty-seven draft. Everybody wanted him to have better teammates. 'cause the Celtics Day it's glossed over this dark but the Celtics killed them for two straight years. They they won all six playoff games too so when they were all right a lot of blow outs when they took pippen and they traded up and it was like they had the eighth pick. Seattle the fifth pick but it was a good draft. We knew it was a good draft. And you look back at it like we thought Dennis Hopson was going to be good. He wasn't but Reggie Williams was Georgetown Guy. Thought he was going to be good Scottie. Pippen Kenny Smith Kevin Johnson Horace Grant Reggie Miller and it was like I really hope the Bulls get somebody good and they took pippen and it was like what the fuck this Guy Central Arkansas like showing the clips of them and it looked. You know like the Jaanus Greek. Ymca clips where you just like. What is this is that and it was also a time when you know everybody. Really Watch college basketball the same way. Like Casey's like one of five people have to watch his college basketball obsessively in eighty seven. We all knew who all the guys. We're we're watching everything. And when they when they ended up with him it was like motherfuckers. Like why are you fucking around with Jordan? And like you gotta get gotTa get him. Somebody good and we had no idea and it was early. It was apparent that first year it was like Oh shit you know he was so athletic? You could just see you knew he was going to be something. Even as a rookie does cross deserve more credit than it seemed. He got in those first two parts of the documentary for Building. This thing out into the team that it was. There's no question I think. So there's no question I mean look. Those are bold moves now. You took a kid from NASA school and traded up to take a kid from school that if that doesn't work out and you passed on somebody like bill that's on TV and everybody is aware of that is obviously fireable. You've got he trades Jordan's best friend which I thought it was very fascinating for Jordan. Yeah it made us a better team. Yeah that was a big deal at the time because oak was better than cartwright right. The trade date in one hundred percent makes sense when it happened because Oakley was like twenty four twenty five and was really good. Here's one thing that wasn't explained. Either that stood out to me was I had no idea how Jerry Krause got that job but they just gloss over the fact that Jerry. Krause is a baseball scout. Who OBVIOUSLY SCULPTURE JERRY? Reinsdorf and goes. I want to be the general manager of the Bulls. And it's like okay and that's how we got the job like what was it about it's ten episodes. It's forty nine minutes and episodes so you can't do everything and I'm with you. Like the craft stuff crested a really good job like the. Ku Coach pick and him coveting coach during a time. When foreign guys either Serena Marshall Onus was the first foreign guy that even came into the league that was like nineteen eighty nine? Maybe something like that. And Petra Vick was coming and divide showed up on the Lakers. But it's still pretty early to be like I'm all in on this coach. Guy And it's funny. How much they they'll go into this in a later episode but Jordan and pippen like really resented the coach saying they really tried to like destroy him the at the Olympics and meanwhile this is like the perfect guy to play with them he could play three positions that he can handle the ball. But I'm with you. I think cross was just a really petty asshole you know and I think a baseball scout get an NBA GM job when rival the owner. Because you know it's it's it's worse than that. It was the eighties. Like crazy stuff happens you go back and you look at you. Had owners like Ted steapy and the Cleveland cavs owner. They traded so many first round pick. Said so like. Make a rule. You'd Sterling Sterling like moving the clippers from San Diego to La and getting alone from Jerry Buss and one of the things that I I didn't hear anybody bring up those fascinating to me as you're watching it and part of the reason that this guy get kicked around so much is a weird dude anyway. But he's the short fat guy who never played any sports and the players. I must tell you the. Nba Now is littered with the Non Athletes Yameen. He's really ahead of his time in Yang. The Guy who's not just some dopey former athlete. Who was given the job In order to in order to put together team obviously we've had great guys that are built championship teams Joe Dumars Jerry West on and on former players. That were great at the job. There's also a lot of former players who were not great at the job but you have that data element of that a lot. Yeah you have that whole element of the players like resenting a guy or just not respecting a guy at all that does exist now you have to really earn it by being very smart and earned players trust when you are not a former player and now the league is filled with non former players as GM. There's not many that are Phil. Phil had something to do with that. Though I I think I don't know how I can't remember. How much goes into this during the during the show but You know it's like if your parents are in a divorce. The parents can turn the kids against the other parent right. Everybody all the Bulls Love Phil. And if he hates Jerry Krause and they're not talking he's subtle different ways to to really turn them against crafts. And I and I think it goes into the pippen part and the second episode. It went too far the PIP and stuff. And if you read the book by Halberstam goes really into him. Just like Berating Krause and the bus in like a really ugly way where like Holy Shit we have to trade this guy but I think with the crowd stuff. You know. The the thing that he didn't get enough credit for was the Phil Jackson move where Collins was doing well like that team was competing in the playoffs. He was only there a couple of years and he. He saw something and moving fill in when he did. I think aloud at least that ninety one title. I thought that was a ballsy move like. Kfc would have written a huge piece about that if they did that. Now is the equivalent of even know. Whoever successful coach is spooked? And that guy. Everybody was like what they're firing. Doug Collins was surprising I think the last one is when they kept going to the Eastern Conference finals the Pistons and then they moved off a carlisle and hired Larry Brown. Yeah Good Point True. Probably like something like that. Kfc what else stood out. Well Phil Jackson. Though to that point I mean he was. He was coaching a team called the Albany protrudes from eighty to eighty seven when he got hired as a bowls assistant and rising. Dorf did mention. That Krause deserves credit for giving Jackson an opportunity. And I mean I brought up krause because I feel like Reisen. Dorf sort of has evaded. Blame the way we've talked about this show since since then within the documentary itself. I mean he's the guy who he himself said he was told. Don't touch krause. He has a way of alienating people but he said I wasn't hiring someone to win a personality contest. I wanted somebody who truly believes in building a team the way I wanted them to and Kraus was that guy and he let this chaos develop over the years. I mean at some point. He made the choice between Krause. And Phil and Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen I think Reisen Dorf at that time. Probably should have pulled the plug on Jerry. Krause hired someone else into that job and move forward with Phil Jackson Michael Jordan. And maybe Scottie Pippen and it makes me wonder though how much of it from rising doors perspective was. I don't want to pay Phil Jackson the money he wants. I don't WANNA pay Scotty. Pippin THE MONEY. He wants his rise. North over the years has been notoriously cheaper owner after winning five championships. Was that part of it when it came to his decisions at the time that really pushed krause to change everything I mean. Carlson obviously deserves blamed for you know the petty things that he did and for the way he was. But it's just a little odd to me that rise endorphin sort of you know scooted by here without any blame. Chris should we correct cassie? And how he's saying Ransdorf's name or no. I was GONNA go. I wanted. I wanted to go the whole episode. I like Risa Dorf though. Because it feels Ryan stores talking about can feel better that thing with the thing with Phil Jackson. When they actually made him the coach he was like the guy in the Knicks. Who was the hippie? Who had long hair? Who wrote a book called Maverick? That's one of the ten most unbelievable. Mba books like talks a lot about drug use and things like that. It's great you can't even find it on Ebay And and it just kinda seemed him even when he became an assistant coach. Phil Jackson's assistant coach like he just had this reputation as being this kind of Zen hippy. Guy It's crazy. What happened but you look at the relationships. He had over the years. You know he he. He's kind of drama Queen. You know you put him in the situation. Look at all the stuff that happened. Within the Lakers he quit the Lakers. He came back a year later. D- are then it ends up quitting again and you know. I think he kind of fed off this stuff too so you put him Rodman Pippen Jordan. Kraus Reisen Dorf of you could give them historical perspective to this. Because it's not really broached in that in the episodes that we have seen so far maybe it will as it goes forward but there is a we know as the years went on. The there wasn't impending lockout like add happened. And how much is that in the calculus of what happens with this thing being brave enough hundred percent in the calculus I? It was like I'm trying to think of modern be times when this happened. I guess two thousand eleven was like this because if I remember I was writing about a lot in two thousand ten and eleven for ESPN and great land especially the two thousand eleven playoffs. Were you'd knew something bad was going to happen. And then something bad happened In this case the League was out of Control The rookie contracts people being able to opt data deals and the CAP was outta whack like MJ. Mid Thirty three million his last year in. I don't even really know how that worked with the CAP or I. I don't understand why they couldn't have fixed. Pippen contract things like that The other thing that they didn't really go into enough I I didn't feel like in the dock just explaining the pippen contract which is fine because you only have so much time but like pippen's real screw up was he had a six year rookie deal and after year four year allowed to sign an extension which he did because he wanted to save guaranteed money but the extension at which I think was a five year extension. So people are saying seventy or eighty million dollar deal. It actually wasn't. He had two years left on his rookie deal. And then you added the five-year extension after it. So when he was playing in the ninety one ninety two ninety two ninety three seasons under his rookie. Contract didn't get the new money at and the extension hasn't even kicked in versus. If he had just ridden a now he would have been a free agent after the ninety three season and he would have made like you know five times as much money as he lays out in the dock he just wanted to security because he had to take care of all these people back in Arkansas and that was the part. That really sucked. Because I wasn't stupid for him do that. He was trying to lock down enough money to take care of these people. He didn't care about nine hundred ninety eight but then is your in the contract. You're like Oh what did I do well and this is crazy because I didn't. I didn't remember this until I saw somebody mentioned it. The other night his agent actually lives not far from me. I see him all the time. It's Jimmy Sexton is he. Runs College football now right nick. Saban's agent he's everybody's agent and Jimmy was very very young because he's Jimmy had he. He went to college at Tennessee and he had a started. The whole thing with one client. And that was reggie white a and so we had reggie white and he started this Athletic Resource Management Out of Memphis Tennessee. No less and then he got this kid from Arkansas. Scottie Pippen so I mean. He was very young agent at the time. I need to find out how that all played out. Because I think it's easy for us to watch that. In retrospect and be like man. That was so dumb but like look man you got to frigging people in your own house in a wheelchair like yes. It is no way that you don't constantly have this feeling of it. Could all be taken away from me any day I better? I better get this while I can. You know. Got Him back apprising as much as it did either. I mean it was what seventeen million dollar cap when he signed the deal and it was like forty forty five million when when he signed the next one as you said bill he did. Make it back with the the new deal. The Portland contract. He signed was ridiculous. Amedee made he ended up making more money than Jordan. Did as a as a player but then the funny thing is he goes back to Jay talks about this. He goes back to the Bulls after his Portland Contract and Oh three and science. Two years ten million. And he's just done he's like this and I'm getting these fuckers back. And he plays twenty three games for the Bulls. It makes ten million bucks which was like half of what he made for them the entire time but yet if he had been a free agent in in ninety three I have you done really well and he would have been that that could have been the end of the Bulls Dynasty right there so in a weird the fact that he signed that goofy extension probably enabled the last titles. You didn't see the Pippen's wife tweet the other night. When everybody was lamenting how chronically underpaid he was she tweeted out a pitcher of Scottie. Pippen and said thanks for your concern. Scotty did okay. And then it says career earnings a hundred ninety nine dollars. Oh I wrote a piece two years ago about when it looked. Lebron might not have a team to go to after eighteen about how Jordan's last season he kinda didn't have anywhere to go. That was one of the reasons he retired. She go back and you look at that. Ninety nine lockout ends. Everybody has more money to spend was only like seven contenders had cap space. And the rockets were one of the seven. And in retrospect if Jordan had wanted to play again he's friends with Barkley Barkley Hakeem. They had the money. Give Pippen that contract. It would have been interesting. If Jordan's Ike I want I don't WanNa stop playing. I'll go to the rockets and play with Barclay for Barclay and Keam. I'll do a one year deal. Whatever PIPPA go somewhere else. There's a lot of what ifs from that lockout because one of the things that happened all the sudden it got solved and it was like this ten day free for all that was a little bit like member and To December two thousand eleven when the lockout ended and all hell broke loose. And it was like the Chris Paltry it's happening and guys are signing left and right. It was a lot like that and you know I. I'm sure that's going to happen again. When is the next potential cow? Kfc Twenty twenty four. However I mean with everything happening now. They're opening up for could open up. Cba negotiations sooner. So we'll see if that twenty twenty four days. Yeah because I mean how could we even know what basketball related income is this year? Well that's the part that I haven't and there's no way to write about it but what happens to the salary cap next year that the teams are already talking about that? 'cause you know the southern caps cut and dried based on revenue and if between all the revenue they lost in China the regular season games they lost and if the playoffs come back in July. There's GonNa be abbreviated playoffs. There's going to be ad revenue that they lose the cap for next season could go down by twenty five million bucks twenty million. I don't know I don't even know what the exact number as and you look at a team like Golden State and they have curry Klay Thompson and wiggins just those three make like a hundred billion dollars next year. I have no idea how this is gonNA work. I don't know if it'll drop by that much. But it's going to drop at least some amount and that's going to change the whole equation for what we've been talking about this this past year and all that when it comes to teams are going to have maxed out of space. We talk about the Knicks. Having Double Max slots in twenty twenty one. They may not have one or they'll have maybe only one and not much else to do. And it's GonNa change the whole equation. Kfc The might almost have to do some weird formula with it right where it's like the salary cap. It's really eighty boat. Let's pretend it's a hundred so we can have more maneuver bet late? They might have to create some formula to make it more competitive because it's GonNa favor the teams that have the contracts locked in already in. That's the weird thing about you know so everybody's talking about players. Salaries are getting with health. And I think the way that's been perceived by the public that owners or keeping the money from the players on this but that's not the way it is it's the Bri basketball rated income that split fifty one percent for players for nine percent to the team so the share remains the same. You know a player a player whether he gives back money in his paycheck now or gives it back in August or September is making the same amount no matter what. And it's a bit interesting that you know. Revenue is what's determining the percent of the players receiving yet with the salary cap. It still counts. As that exact number players rating thirty million he counts as against a cap is thirty million. Even though because of everything happening he might only actually make twenty five million and so I wonder if maybe moving forward it should be. Maybe percentage of the salary cap. You know that's what a player makes. Yeah I think what you laid out is probably going to happen but there's GonNa be some ramifications because the the MAC salary just won't be as high and if you go back to ninety nine member K. G. signed that member. Chris what was it like one hundred twenty five million for six years something like that. He's making twenty million a year but then but then it switched. They put in the new cap after the lockout. And the Max Guy could only the most you could sign for was six years I think one and Marbury Marbury was pissed off about is cagey teammate. And he could. He could only make like sixty percent. What Cagey was any? Couldn't get over and was like I need to be a franchise guy on my own team. I think I bet we see that with some MBA guys. You're going to have situations where somebody's banking thirty. Five billion and Jason Tatum. It's time for his Max deal and he can only make twenty two million as a Mac sky. It's going to be an issue. Well it might happen with the guys who are already signed extensions to bayside ahead of time. They're getting twenty five percent. Some of these rookie. Max Extensions about twenty five percent is going to be way lower than what we hope for. Chris ally like why Paul George where they have the Blair options player options. They can opt into this huge number that if they went in the free agent market. They're looking at sixty percent of it. If the CAP goes down a ladder a little whatever so it around Gatien's it's always the guys that people feel like don't deserve it getting paid an extraordinary amount like it's hard to explain cagey wasn't K. G. When he signed that deal but I remember. Oh basketball executive telling me it's not Kevin Garnett has contract that aft- up the League. It was big countries because every other guy around the league looked at that and said big country makes this. I deserve to make this right and I do think guys did a reasonable job with the understanding that that one year that the cap went up. And you had all those guys from you know Ken Bays More to Mike Conley on Kit. Chandler Parsons Allan CRABB. A Lotta guys. I think were pretty good about understanding. That was an outlier. And that's I can't be sitting there. Going CAN BIZ. More makes twenty million dollars. I make more than him back in the day. Like when you're talking about what the KGB stuff when you had very young players you even had even prior to that draft picks Glen Robinson comes out. And he's he's got eighty million dollars in his pocket or whatever. It is Kenny. Anderson's yeah there was like seven for sixty million and play the game right. That's why the decade there is so many disappointing guys. They all were making a ton of money. That hadn't even done anything yet and I think they realized that. That's that's not great. We gotta at least make these guys play for their first big contract and Kinda learn a work ethic and habits now now though because of the rookie scale contract you're GONNA have the number one. Pick making about twelve million dollars. Annually and any Arrow with a salary cap could be declining so like salaries have risen. Seek that go down though like could the rookie scale actually is that tied to the I. Those are those are set. I believe. Here's a here's a business side of things questions that you could answer bill that we couldn't as someone who's in charge of a business right so one of the terms that we've all been forced to learn through this pandemic is this Forced Missouri Right. Yeah that's an all these contracts which basically says so if I have a massive sponsor that has signed a year long contract like there's all these clauses and all these contract basically saying if there is a a a natural catastrophe if there is a pandemic if there is all this stuff. Here's what happens and that's why you have a million lawyers around the table. That's how we don't know about basketball related income so to that point like right now. They are not providing games. Say let's just take. Espn that's the biggest one. Right do you think is the NBA? Still is ESPN still cutting edge check to the NBA. Despite the fact that there is no product being produced on air right now my my understanding is yes and I think they also have the option maybe to back out or cut or stop or whatever but the thing is you're still in a relationship with the league and you when when everything gets better you want to be in a good relationship with the league so you don't want to jeopardize things that that the force majeure thing like it could be interpreted any way you want but if this if this whole event doesn't qualify for that. I don't know what does I mean right. I would say. Pandemic Earthquake Massive fire all that stuff I still feel like they're going to figure out this July tournament thing. I really think it's going to happen. I think they're waiting for baseball to come back first. And then they'll jump on it but I think it's GonNa be Vegas. La Orlando. They're going to figure out the bubble thing and they're just GonNa do it. There's too much money at stake and Whether I there might not even be media loud. There might just be players. People directly related to the Games people directly rated to filming Games And that's it but it's for this reason like there's so much money at stake from something for players owners. Tv networks. They all need to actually play basketball. That's why I think it's going to happen. I'm with you I would. I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't happen. Because who knows what's going to happen moving forward however That's their full speed ahead or line. They make this happen. Which made the Adam Silver Conference call last week that I was on when he talked to the media after the Board of governors meeting he more than any other time that I can remember him speaking publicly about this whether it was with Rachel Nichols on the job or Ernie Johnson on the twitter? Nba Live thing they did. He was more cautious with the things that he was saying about playing this past week then any other time. That can remember with him. However everything I've heard is what what you've just said bill that they their their intentions are fully two games going in in July and Adam silver was more like no. We're just listening to ideas. I don't think that's true. That's not true. There's a real reason. He played it that way. If I had to analyze it It's coming right off trump having the meeting or whatever he did zoom meeting with all the commissioners and a couple of different owners. I think Adam is being really sensitive about the perception of his players with how he handles it. Especially with the trump part of it. Because you think like I'm GonNa go out on a limb and say that Most of the player demographic is not in the trump camp just in general and I think that that's a delicate line to be like the players know. He's talking to the president. The players thinking trump's forcing him to come back or whatever and I just think they're trying to kind of navigate it. I don't think they WANNA BE I. That's what I keep hearing. They don't want to be the first league back and they're really kinda waiting for golf baseball and a couple of other things to get going. But I was saying this two weeks ago. I think it's GonNa be like a seven eight week run In starting July third lifeforce somewhere like that bubble system you do to La. Live Dude in Vegas at one casino or you do it in Orlando and you just you have everybody come into needs to be there. And nobody's allowed to leave and nobody else's ladder come in any test everybody and just kinda go and that's it who as a novel. Virus pandemic escalates in the United States. Public health officials are encouraging those who are experiencing signs or something so Cova nineteen coughing fever to seek medical guidance. For moly if you or a loved one are feeling sick or feeling worried. 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How how much different do you think what we're going through right now is? If it's David Stern still run in the league instead of Adam Stern Stern would be much more available. Present and kind of owning the real estate of an atom. Is that like stern had a little bit of a trump side to him where it's like here. I'm going to have another press conference today here. My thoughts you know like He. In Times of crisis he was very very available and president. And I think Adam is a little more behind the scenes Try and the interesting thing to me. And I'm just starting to find out details of this but just like coups emerging as the powerbrokers for driving this. If it actually does happen. Who's against it. Whose four things like that. Because I've heard some stuff about You know like at least one owner who who really felt like it should still be in the arenas if they came back and enough teams find back and forth and I think the debate is a lot more robust and and and heated then maybe has come out so far. Have you heard that Kevin? Yeah I mean there's a lot of this agreement for sure I mean. I think that's probably another reason. Why Adam Silver to take the stance that he did for the reason you mentioned but also you know there is nothing that has been set in stone yet here. I'm sure there are certain ideas that he's taking more seriously than others. And that is obviously the bubble idea just a matter of where you do in and whether you have one or two of them. I think the I think what Keith Smith wrote on. Yahoo makes a lot of sense. Disneyworld is already essentially a bubble. That is a place that already has the hotel infrastructure and has already. It's not a city like Los Angeles or Las Vegas where people can could theoretically go there and you know and try to sneak into a place. Disneyworld already has closed doors. Well there's also a tie in with your your biggest business partner right choke yep of course so it. Two thousand eleven. When they had that lockout and there it became a half have not staying with the owners and some owners kind of emerged as the powerful voice reason owners. I remember at the time like Peter. Holt was like San Antonio Guy became kind of the guy and like the conciliatory for the owners. And the conduit. I think Cuban was very important. Wit Gross back from the Celtics was important Clay Bennett from Oklahoma City was kind of the small market guy. And you had these different little file oems and they're all trying to figure it out but everybody has an agenda. I haven't heard enough yet about what the agendas are this time. Run and no Cuban is really active golden state the those owners and the Celtics owners and then you know obviously the thing is the owners that they have now are much more successful incompetent than the owners they had. Certainly you know twenty plus years ago and even in the two thousand eleven a lot of the guys that have bought into teams. Dour are really successful businessman. Who who care about what people think about them. So I think that's gotta be driving to that like the worst case scenario. You do this bubble thing it's going and then during round one Chris Middleton comes down with the Corona virus or whoever? And you're like Oh shit. Do we stop what happens. And I think that's the thing that they they're trying to figure out if we do this. Can we be a hundred percent? Sure we can start from a position of zero people have this and then they're in the bubble and there's all these different models if you do the bubble thing correctly. Nobody has it that nobody can give it to each other so the question is well. How do we know if somebody e-e-e-e-no is as symptomatic? And I know this is all the stuff they're talking about every day one thing. That is good or better than it once was is an you know this bill. These guys are way They're much more rich than they were before. And so these losses. It's not as big a deal when this happened even ten years ago. There's a lot of guys they'd like. You know the the amount of money that they may be losing right now. It can be tax. Write off its ashtray. Money to some of these guys honestly whereas because they got ten fifteen billion dollars seven billion dollars in some cases are so many guys that are so much more rich that own these teams then used to. You didn't have to be like crazy rich to own a basketball team even ten years ago. Yeah but I'll put that around the other way. There's people that became rich. Basically you know look at look at the Houston owner. He's a restaurants hotels Guy Right now. That's fair. Would you WANNA have investments at restaurants and hotels right now so? I do wonder if there's GONNA be some key. At least a couple of teams that keeps dragging on are. GonNa WanNa try to sell just to you know Jay because they need the money or whatever we were in a situation really the last two three years i. I don't even think there was really more than two teams ever legitimately for sale right. Kevin was like Minnesota. We'd heard rumors about other than that. I don't even know if there was a it was thirty owners who don't in their teams and they weren't for sale. Was there anyone Kevin none come to mind? I mean obviously Knicks fans would hope James Dolan would sell for five billion dollars or whatever the next will be valued at but even he's not not I guess I guess Brooklyn Cats but everyone he was trying to Brooklyn for a few years and the the key lost a lot of his fortune. So yeah I think you know whenever this whenever we come out of this and God knows what it's going to look like the League's going to be drastically. Different caps are going to be different. There's going to be new owners you're GonNa have a situation where the guys who got their salaries in Over the last three years are just going to have a higher Max number than the guys that are coming after a couple of quick things before we get out of here today all right so for both of you I for for Bill. You read every single book about this bull stuff you were. You wanted to make your own documentary on it. You lived through it right but you watched. Let's just take the first two hours? Which is what everybody. What did you not know that was in the first two episodes? I What K-. Oc you better say you didn't know something he's GonNa he said he's GonNa say he knew everything. Now I really did I you know. Not only did I live through it but when I wrote my book I read every book. And there's just nothing that was in this that I didn't know their stuff in the later episodes that I didn't know but these I two. They were set up big picture stuff. Even the stories on these guys like about pal. Joanne and I think a lot of us and playing for keeps a lot of yeah caves some of a lot of the NBA. Business stuff is in breaks to the game Jordan rules. They there's a lot of Jordan books like he was the first modern basketball player. Who is really covered in a real way where? I felt like I did not know anything saying I tell you this. I knew nothing about his brother's like I told you about how important that family stuff was. When I was I didn't know his mom was alive for that matter. She looks unbelievable. Yeah she's in her seventies for goodness sakes but the brother stopped and then somebody texted me yesterday. Like you know You know his brothers and executive for the Hornets and I was like wait. What one of. His brothers is an executive for the Hornets. Now I mean I've never even. It was weird. 'cause I when he's talking about it and again I'm sure it'll change. His time goes on but even when he talked brothers. It was all like bad stuff. I mean I had these brothers and I fought with them and it wasn't like I really looked up to my brother early. You know none of that stuff at Berkeley we. We're just so familiar with everybody. I everybody knows everyone of Lebron's kids. Everybody knows every everything about all these guys and now it's all these years later. The most famous athlete in the world and there was a lot of the family stuff that I didn't I didn't realize about Jordan. I mean just just overall I sort of take away Ryan's I thought on your Pod Bill. I thought it was pretty motivating. And there's some good life lessons in there. I thought the scene with Michael Jordan when he was a rookie with the Bulls and eat opened the door. And this people doing cocaine and everything. And he's like you know what this I'm not going to let this derail me I thought that was a really really cool. Part of the episode of me as funny. You know thinking about that team going from what he went to that but it was also sort of you know this is a guy who his whole life sort of knew what he wanted and he worked as hard as he possibly could every step of the way to achieve what he wanted to achieve. I I sort of felt the same way as Ryan on your pod. Bill to your point Kev on the guy didn't know about a you understand how it shapes him right that he was like. I'm I'm not going to be going out to the clubs or not doing whatever but it's different like even nowadays covering these guys like they go out is teams and they go out when they go out on the road or whatever but like how traumatic it must have been the open up a hotel room and there's chicks and cocaine and all the like you good like throw everything away. Nobody's throwing anything away from going to the Club in Miami when you know when these guys go out now but it's just so hard to even comprehend you know if you open up a door it any of us you open up a door and there's a bunch of people doing cocaine you're like damn if I'm a part of this I could. I could lose everything like nobody has that they should to make any more. But I mean honestly that was a huge factor with the league. He was going into. It's the height of the cocaine era. And you know it's not just destroying the NBA it's destroying the NFL and MLB to some degree and Hollywood there's so many comedians and actors and directors who got who nobody knew it. Was you know that debilitating from from seventy six all the way through? Then people started dying but if you go back in I I wrote about this in my book a little bit. The drug thing was was the dominant topic in the NBA. Other than bird magic for the first part of the eighties and we were losing guys left and right guys careers again cut short that was when stern he he put in the big the drug testing and the whole suspension thing that goes in and like eighty two eighty three and it all Crestwood. Len Bias. Eighty six when the lend bias thing happened and right after that the rockets who had made the finals Lewis. Lloyd Mitchell wiggins. They both had cocaine suspensions and this was the biggest problem in the league and it was interesting. He ended up on a team that I think it was probably a little worse off with that stuff than most. If you go back and look at the basketball reference You could probably figure out who a couple of guys were but yeah like what if he goes in there and he's like all right. I'll try one. You know like I bias is the Great Celtics would if my life and he was somebody that I think you know had a lot of Jordan and I. I don't think it's inconceivable that he could have been as good or better than Charles. Barkley or Karl Malone Fade. Come into the League. And he's you know he would. He was at least worst case. Scenario the Celtics version of James Worthy and he starts partying a little bit his last year Maryland and all of a sudden. Od's you know so. I I think the dangers that were in place for these guys really can't be overstated. People didn't know any better and and they were doing dumb stuff it's like it's like The episode nine or episode aid of Better Call Saul season five. When Mike Talking about bad choice road you make choices that lead up to where you are on your life. You make some good choices along the way you make some bad choices along the way. You can't do anything about that. She's about what you do. Move Forward. Chris I remember We'd huge Ringer Party cocaine women. Kfc We just hired kacie opens. The door looks and he's like I don't want that guys I did. We restroom at any. This is they. Don't have that but you do. Judge me for saying the bullshit of tanked eighty six season. Right he's read. Kfc's right one hundred percent rate. No Chris the lottery that year was seven teams. Everybody had the same odds. If you're the service with the same person and that was a really good draft. They absolutely should have thanked. I would've sat down would Jordan. The owner have sat down Jordan. Eighty six Jordan and the player. I bet he would have. I don't know you know he look even now running frigging they win thirty something games every year right potato anyway while I mean he could bottom out he has an charlotte. I do think he really believes that that there is an integrity to the game. And what the fuck away doing here go out and win. Your main explains a lot of explains a lot of the Hornets contracts. The last ten years their team that's obsessed with getting the six or seven seed getting to playoff games. Maybe three and that's called. It is on the sixty million bucks. Brassieres had a pretty good deal but not a sixty million dollars year were they bidding against. You're right all right two days away from the NFL draft. Both pats guys who do you want. And do you want to come away with a quarterback would you trade up for bill? Let's he falls out check just that he just doesn't do that. How many times does he traded up in twenty years? That's been like twice. He turned up in the high tower draft. When he loves a player he's willing to trade up it's very rare and we and we haven't seen him in a situation in which he needs a quarterback. I'm just saying there's a theoretical. If he were to fall well and I say benzes Guy Sapien. This guy if he you know he knows what he be getting into a better than anyone. I am all in on And Cam Newton or Janus. Oh try to load up on the draft genius for the fun of last year also throws thirty three thirty big to had five surgeries already. I know I know I know second line. There's a lot a red flags. They're scary. Big Curious I. I'm not sure if I WOULD WANNA trade up for him with all the injuries and the major surgeries that he's had. It's just something that I've thought about. What the potential scenario and Thursday would I want the Patriots do that yeah? Look I'll play on cams a good dude great player but I can't see him walking in and a frigging little Bo peep bonnet and a Polka dots scarf in a patriots press conference. I won't last with Bill Belichick. Let's get serious. Chris. We're not the super bowl. Run IS OVER I. I'm for like a fun patriots team. I know we're not winning the superbowl next year with it. Eight nine hundred eighty nine. Nfl draft was on last site. Which of course I watch three hours and it was during the height. It was during the height of when the Patriots were just awful and this is a draft. That had four hall of famers in the first five picks. Then Andre Rise in Thurman Thomas All these guys. And the PATS TOOK. Hartley dykes who played two years. Who got in a bar fight with? Every friar hurt his own fractures kneecap was out of the League in two years. But as you watch in this draft they're like Oh you know physical receivers speed You know some off field stuff but maybe going to New England to be better firm and it just took me back to this. Ptsd patron pre BLEDSOE. When it seemed like they were GONNA move every year. They fucked up everything and now. I feel like we're heading back there to that place. Where and wait so it's is done. Wow we haven't had a good draft. We haven't had a good draft since two thousand fourteen. This team's not going to be good next year. So the two of thing I it's like what what even the point out. Just more fun than that is more fun than Jay. Janus jeered still. This is not fun Cam. Newton Fun Jameis Winston. Not Fun on also. Jalen Jalen hurts as well. I'm very intrigued by jalen hurts. Jay Leno Oh wow nice I like this year. We made nine Super Bowl that we won six in twenty years. It's ever happening again. We had our what era What are you don't hope Come out of draft night with a quarterback. That's not eat central to you. You who melkite brands you taking Zach. Bon A white linebacker from Wisconsin is perfect. Fit Right Chris. Can I tell you where I'm at with to Please I'm deep down. Hoping he falls to twenty three okay. I do think there's a lot of medical questions and everyone's doing this on zoom. Nobody's been able to actually work them out and there may be a chance like all right maybe he just starts falling i. It's select the thir thirteen fourteen range. I'd start to. Get excited. You know. I always complain about the group thing. That goes along with drafts Li. I tweeted about this last night. The all these. Nfl analyst changing their tune on the kid from Oregon is embarrassing to me. Like Bro you spent the last month telling me that this guy ain't that good and you're not that high on him and there's there's there's a burrow into a and then a drop off and they all get word that all these teams at the top like him that he might go in the top five and so now they. They're all talking up. Justin harbored. GimMe a break. What do I hear? This satis satisfy conversation. I've had in the last three weeks about sports. I'm talking about dad the other day and I'm telling him I think there's a chance they're gonNA play the NBA this season and maybe have twelve. Playoff teams not sixteen may be four four buys for the top four. Maybe just a playoff teams. I'm laying it all out from. There's a pause. My Dad goes. Does that MEAN OUR MEMPHIS team Memphis pick could be the lottery. I'm like my dad. That shit assailed that picks doc and end up in the lottery. No matter what playoff system they have. He's so heartbroken. Pick turned into a top five pick. He can't get over it. So Larry is that. That's what you say because as you are laying that out. I'm like Oh F- that that's their way so that they can justify the fine. We'RE NOT GOING TO MEMPHIS instead of Zay on. We can't figure out a way to get in there so we're just going to cut it off at six so we don't have to deal with it. Oh F- that yeah. No no no start preparing. Now start preparing. Mostly no they're gonNA cut it off as team playoffs. That's terrible well it it does a couple of things the other thing it does is if. Katie and career. Ready to come back all the set in Brooklyn as the seven seed. That actually has these two guys that could play and ruined everything. You don't want that either. Yeah you don't want that either so I think you either do eighteen or twelve. Kfc What do you think eighteen twelve? So I mean I've heard like look everything's Spin. Turn around you know would playoff playoff playing tournaments but would this theoretical six team in each conference playoff system. You would still have a plan right to determine some of these final seeds. So I guess Brooklyn's could still get in men's could still get in. What do you make a plan? I thought it was GONNA be twelve teams. The top two seeds in each conference. Don't plan round one. And he fired his six four. I think you do three verse. Six four verse five. We don't there's no games you cut it off right now. What the standard right now. Rageh regular season's done. That's that's not happening. What's funny though is that they'll keep our money. Though this whole time there's GonNa be no regular season refund for the season ticket holders. They'll do that like at the tail end but teams teams. Do WanNa get to that seventy mark. I mean they're not going to get the seventy but maybe if you do have the like of you have some type of playing tournament that count toward counts towards regular season revenue. That could be used to determine the playoff seeds. Though I mean it could get funky. I'd inside so you see them. Cutting off twelve teams. Yeah top sixty did SO DALLAS MEMPHIS ARE OUT? That is out. Oh Yeah No Luca. No Job Mirant. Great just don't see it. I think you're GonNa see those guys play again. I hope I surprise. Bills Games being played. I think you're gonna see those guys playing. I hope have by the way. Can we talk about trades? That people wouldn't have done if they knew. A massive pandemic was coming three weeks later. You gotTA start with Miami for Andre. With dollar right. They gave up justice winslow and they do this whole move to load up and then what two and a half weeks later. This season's over two and a half weeks later. Feeling good about that trade Chris Manda I mean the fact that they got anything for Andrea Goodell is unbelievable after the way that all played out that was crazy was crazy the way that all played out and then the other one that's nuts now is the is the Wiggins Russell trade where gold say has a top three protected. Two Thousand Twenty one pick for Minnesota. I would say that's a top five team. I WOULD WANNA top five unprotected. Pick from top three. I'm telling you that was a great trade agree the most important question so since you brought up the fact that the pandemic hit and all these NBA players you know. Would you go back and make different moves. Whatever who is going to come back the most out of shape this is almost like a lockout scenario. You'd spend a LOTTA DOUBT TALKING ABOUT SEAN. Camp. He is the famous had. Lockout came back. Oh my God what happened here right. Inevitably like a lot of these guys. I talked to a couple of players yesterday. I'm not kidding you. They went to frigging Dicks to buy a basketball goals for their house. They don't a basketball. They don't even have goals at their house much less. I mean they're running around. I know I'm with. You never consider it right like if you're Jason Tatum. Why would you ever basketball hoop anytime? You WanNa play basketball. You just go to the practice right. So they so. These guys are underrated. Fat Lockout Guy Was Antoine Walker. Because he came back he had signed a Max Contract. He was like twenty two years old. All of a sudden is seventy one million dollar with nothing with them. I personally liked him but the Boston fans it was a little iffy with him and he shows up and he's good fifteen pounds heavier than he was the season before. And I remember my Dad. Like what the how what's he been doing? There will definitely be at least a couple of guys like that. I do think it's easier to stay in shape in two thousand twenty the maybe it was in nineteen ninety nine. 'cause you do give by fucking Peleton or do you know. There's things you can do at home. Would we agree? There is a reasonable chance Zionist. Three eighty when he comes back already three. Oh five to two guys. I'm most worried about her. Zion and bead beads. Another one that I feel I can beat spin on the fringe for awhile And I do. I do worry about whether you'd look. I put my favorite part of this. Is Chris Really? Wants Zion not to work out like he. He'll never say public but at the job the job reds I it's like back three real crispy walking around his house like I love watching Zay on but we need to find out if he stayed in New Orleans because there's no way if he stayed in New Orleans that he you can't I mean I I go for their for a weekend. I gained sixteen pounds. There'll be therapy one center. The centers have the trouble one like just coming back from your Yokich. Got Poor Yogesh. Yokich is any chance that he has gotten on a treadmill or a by or run around the neighborhood or no way. There is no way with if you told you. If you're not making him hell he doesn't WanNa run during the Games. He wasn't in shape for the first. Two months of this is in in really. Have a pandemic yeah. I don't know the want one like serious note on this topic though it's like there is a legitimate concern for player conditioning. What's happening midseason? And I wonder will there be any guys for being who were going to say. I'm not gonNA play well. Anybody just sit out entirely Andrea. Who's Out Yeah J. O? One more one more out of shape guy possibility. Luca's gotta be on the list right. Luke has been like he was borderline for the last couple of years. He was my first pick in the NBA DESKTOP BMI drafts. So No no now unfulfilled promise. Because of a pandemic would've ever there will inevitably be some of these guys that are. I hate to say that but are not the same after this and there is great risk of injury because being inactive for this amount of time you know what I mean like I. It just anybody. You can't go from being inactive and I don't know how many of these guys are staying. You know mega active. Certainly nothing like what it takes to be an NBA shape. It's tough embiid anxiety. I think would be my top draft picks bill. Thanks for coming on with US TODAY. Man. It's been great to see you guys. KFC your beard. Looks Fantastic Chris? I'm glad you're well you really. I mean look at that thing. It is really filled in. Looks like a civil war general at that stage right now. I'm GonNa win ago Kevin. I know he's the Buzzer bust. His ass look at is yeah. He's I acted later. You're dominating him in the beard game well a two year I heard. Yeah I started in December and he's also like following all these. You don't know this. But he's following all these guys on instagram. He's putting like exotic oils in it and shit no true hymns what happened. Here's what happened. I thought true. What did happen was I mentioned a beard video that I watch on Youtube trimmed beard. Or whatever and someone someone who owns that beard brand listens to this show. Hey the guy you mentioned the fifty five year old attractive dude with the beard but looks like a normal without the beard works for us and sent a couple of oils and the shampoo. So that's not exotic stuff. It's just normal. Like Shampoo type of products keeps it soft man? Do you have Special Shampoo Bill? This is unbelievable when is the KFC spear getting an Instagram or twitter? Crazy fan right. That's great I'm all in on that Bobby for producing as always thanks. Bill Kevin. I'll talk to you on Friday occupied icus. Thanks for listening another episode of the mismatch. We'll talk to you on Friday.

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Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, LeBron James, where Colin was right & wrong

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, LeBron James, where Colin was right & wrong

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Von Right here in studio joy. Taylor is joining me one hour from now. We're calling was right where Colin was wrong. Jerry West joins US next hour can't wait for that the logo. It's great to have you in this weekend in California. People now little bit sorta Kinda on the beaches looks like mostly families to me. We're all going to be okay. Hopefully, right going forward are down my neck of the woods this weekend. I was a little stroll around Manhattan beach. It is played some tennis this weekend poorly, but played. It nonetheless got some. Sun was beautiful out. It's raining now, but it was a beautiful weekend here, so let's start with this. The ten part MJ. Documentaries over I loved it. It was a walk down memory lane. I can't think of anybody in sports outside of. Tiger Woods I'd probably watch a ten part documentary. He's had enough controversy and greatness in. There's a combination of stuff what made Jordan so fascinating is there was controversy? He was fighting his GM. Bodman factor, not all great teams or fascinating. I'm not sure I could watch thirty minutes of a one part documentary on the Tim Duncan Spurs. Through it I, don't WanNa. Watch a documentary on Alabama football. They're just great. They're not fascinating. I can watch a five part documentary in the Miami hurricanes or p Carroll's Trojans. Not all documentaries fascinating. Michael's was. One of the takeaways in one of the things that frustrating for fans and I've always had this belief. Leave a party too early than late. Nothing but more cocktails and more dumb comments in trouble, the later the estate of Party. Come late leave early. Make an appearance have some fun. Shake some hands. Leave early. You don't WanNa. Be The last guy around the keg. Okay, you don't and. To me, the Bulls left at the perfect time ninety eight. Now, there's a lot of people Michael Jordan at the end saying I wish we could have come back for one more. No, no, no, no. This is perfect. It adds to the mythology one of the cool things about Michael Jordan's legend. There's a lot of what if it? Not, with bird not with magic, you know not with Lebron Cleveland. It's kind of pathetic. It unravels. It is time, but there's a lot of what if Jordan do. Six for six, but if he didn't play baseball, wou he could have got eight for eight. What Jerry Krause didn't break him up. ooh! Michael and the bowls left the party just a little early, and it adds to shoe sales and mythology. The following year pippen was not going to stay because Houston was offering him a contract of eighty million dollars. He wasn't going to stay for fourteen in Chicago for one year. Rodman was getting older and distracted and less consistent. Toni Kukoc was not the kind of player Michael was ever close to or could rely on. If you go back to it the ninety eight season never forget this. Phil Jackson figured it out to Phil Jackson. Jerry, Krause. I'm not rebuilding I'm out Phil Jackson who came off? Greatness documentaries like boob clean out six. Is that? The Spurs Dynasty at arrived. So in ninety ninety nine, the year Michael says come back for one more year. The Spurs win in the playoffs. They swept the Lakers. They swept the blazers and destroyed the Nixon Five. It was Duncan and Robinson and frankly you think Karl. Malone was a bad match up for Chicago. How would have Duncan and Robinson bid? It was over you watch this. How many close games were there? It was it was over. They were old. They were the best team, but they were winning a lot of those games. LET'S BE HONEST OVER UTAH OVER INDIANA. Games on Moxie Championship medal and the individual play by Michael Late. It wasn't they were steamrolling teams in fact against Utah. They didn't score one hundred points in the finals. Why because they were offensively challenged, they were only nine in the NBA. In nineteen, Ninety, eight nine in offense that's with the greatest offensive player ever. Ninth. Okay so the idea that come back to note the push off. Michael hit said he's holding the trophy. They're six for sex seacrest out. It's the perfect way to do it. This is why the mythology of Michael. is almost as great as the reality of Michael. Like, like Michael had a lot of struggles. A lot antagonized by his own GM pippen could be unreliable Rodman was flaky and increasingly distracted. Coach was never really like one of the guys. You Know Steve Kerr Paxton. Their career averages are six points a game. It was perfect, old, tired, offensively challenged, and Michael and the Bulls left the party just a little early never too late. Now let me shift to the Scottie Pippen I cover them in Portland. Apparently Scottie Pippen has been. Wounded is the word by the documentary and I've said this before I don't think. I've ever met anybody in their life. That didn't deserve their reputation. I mean we earn our reputations. Maybe not when you're six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve years old, but the time you're thirty, forty, fifty sixty. You are what you are good or bad. You've I've never seen a pro athlete who was a great guy with a terrible reputation. I've Jay Cutler's difficult. That's his reputation. Aaron Rodgers talented, but can be difficult. That's his reputation Dennis. Rodman talented but flaky. That's his reputation. I'd say those are spot on okay, so Scottie Pippen doesn't like how he's portrayed in this, but having covered him I think it's been as accurate with Scotty. Anybody Scotty is seen is super talented. Vital to Michael Jordan success. Sometimes, immature pouted. They didn't bring up the DUI and the darker the gun charge against Scotty. They showed the pouting on the bench. They showed him when he basically decided. I'm not going to get rehab surgery in the summer because I want to have a fun summer to hurt the team when I covered Scotty I thought he was really talented I thought he was toughest hell I thought it was a nice guy, but I never thought he was a leader. I thought he was the classic Great Vice President, and it should be noted most great athletes are not great leaders. Jeeter was a rod was just talented. peyton manning and Brady are Russell Wilson is. But I can name lots of quarterbacks I've said with Aaron Rodgers. He's great. I don't know if he's a great leader. He's just really talented, but to be a great leader. You generally need examples of great leadership. Look at Scottish, background and look Michael One of the great advantages. Michael had was rock solid parents into Dean Smith into David Falk into David Stern. Michael had so many amazing examples of Leadership Michael's too smart not to have gleaned some of that off that Scottie Pippen's background. He didn't go to Classic College. Basketball Power with the Dean Smith. His upbringing from the documentary was tougher. His father had a stroke very early. He went to a small college. So when I look at Scotty Pippin I, think he's an amazing American story is that if you look at his childhood? He didn't grow up with much, and he became an unbelievable now. He's a broadcaster. He was a great player top thirty player. I've ever seen maybe a top twenty player I. Don't feel but to ask every athlete to be a great leader is like asking every human being on the planet to be a great leader. Isn't that the thing? We always complain about every presidential election? These are the candidates. This is what we're left with. Those are grownups. He was a kid. Scotty was a great player. He's a great story, but the documentary has. Not, been unfair. It's been reasonable that Michael was the better player and the better leader. Scotty was super talented, but sometimes. You, couldn't count on them in big situations. I. Don't think that's inappropriate, nor do I. Think it's unfair. I think it's what Scotty is super talented, like a lot of pro athletes, but not built or not comfortable. Maybe that's a better word to take the burden of a franchise on his shoulders that that wouldn't be abnormal. That would be normal, most twenty, one, twenty, four twenty seven thirty two year olds. Are Not Ready. To Keri Russell Wilson and NFL franchise. They're simply not. And if you look at Russell Wilson, and you look at Jeeter and you look at Peyton Manning. Much of the credit goes to when they were kids. And the people giving them great leadership. Ideas and paths and so I don't think Scott. He's been inappropriately or unfairly labeled I. Think it showed him as a great teammate at times sometimes. Little Moody and Pouty and in crisis. Sometimes, he was great. Sometimes, he wasn't. He was not always bad in crisis, he was often great and crisis. the one thing that thing showed last night was how Tuffy was, and I can say this having covered him, Scotty played through a lot of injuries. He hit the deck. A lot was on the floor a lot. was never one hundred percent healthy took care of his body played her about Cam Newton. I, don't love Cam. Cameras hurt a lot and plan to pain a lot. That Scotty will always given credit for. All right, so there's a poll out this morning. It's a little recency bias. Seventy three percent of people now think that Michael is better than the Brown. They in fact, they had it. They asked fifteen questions and Michael One all of them by a landslide, and that is frankly a lot of nonsense. I'm going to go through the questions on the poll where overwhelmingly fans gave Michael the win in every single category guy shoes player teammate I'll breakdown the truth on that coming up plus Jay Don Dante is going to be joining this hour as well. 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One was just stupid. So. Here's where I agree. This is where I agree with the fans better sneaker for fashion. Yeah, I mean Jordan sells a Lotta Shoes Pick for a game winning shot I think Lebron's underrated here, but michaels the better offensive player and the best mid range shooter in the history of the game. Come through in the clutch again. Lebron's underrated here. It's closer to sixty forty, but I'd take Michael Spectacular to watch play that ain't close Michael. Jordan's game had much more cool factor. Lebron came into the League as a freight train. In fact I remember criticizing him I four or five years I'm like I know he's great, but he's boring. The first run in Cleveland was mostly boring. Better offensive player. Yeah, that's Michael Michael is a relentless offensive player. Better look. I'm not sure what that means. Is that Glamour Fashion Look Cool? Jordan's by the coolest player ever better defensive player again. Lebron prime was really really good, but Michael was the best one on one defensive player for a long stretch in the NBA. Here's a toss up. Better, overall player dominated this one. There's a lot there's a lot Lebron does Lebron bigger stronger athlete way better, passer better rebounder. Better overall player. Be careful about that one NBA was better all around. People say well. It's more skilled now years ago, it was more physical the. Were more better. There was more trash talking and they weren't all buddies, so you could make an argument, but there's things about the old days I like and there's things about the new game I like. Michael would win one on one to twenty one. Lebron got three and a half inches and thirty five pounds of muscle. You ever played one on one. Guy, with a big butts, thirty five pounds heavier heartbeat. They come back in on. You I'm not so sure Lebron James wouldn't get the ball first and just back in on Michael Moore. He's got great left hand and a great right hand. He can use the glass. Lebron would be tough one on one. Top pick to start a team. Well. Let's be honest about this. Michael Jordan quit twice. Hayward Michael Go baseball. Weird Michael. Go Wizards, and I could make an argument Lebron's the better choice to start a franchise. A have a drink with. Not even sure what that means to be honest with you. Who would tell better stories? Probably Michael, but I don't I'm not sure about that now. Here's where I disagree with seventeen questions all favoring Michael choose as a and by the way for those on Radio Michael Usually one sixty to seventy five percent on all these so distant I disagree on this choose as a teammate I. Think I'd Choose Lebron as a team made I think he's more fun to be around. He's more inclusive. He's not on your butt all the time. Any. He's just kind of. He's an easy hang. Michael's difficult hang could be a great hand could be overbearing. Positive impact off the court. Michael's very private shoes. Lebron amazing thing the schools just one of amazing things. Lebron sent Lebron's that better off the court, better passer, this ain't close Lebron is second or third best passer I've seen in my life after magic and bird. I'm not even sure after Lebron's and believable passer for six nine and a half guy to be able to pass twenty feet across court and literally get the ball in the perfect shooting position. Every time is unbelievable. That ain't close Michael Jordan, a terrible passer. He was a reluctant passer, Lebron's and unbelievable passer. Trust to pass you the ball. No that's Lebron. Lebron got knocked his first seven eight years now because he pass the ball too much so. You know some of its recency bias. I would say this. Was, the League better back then. Just here's the way I would state it. Years ago back in the MJ. The illegal out hand checks meaning it was very physical, and guys hit the deck and guys got pissed and guys going to fight. It was intense. The League was more intense than physically. It was really I mean there. Were you saw 'em and bird meet last night? In the words they used. It was a very alpha male man's leak in hockey. You have like a hockey. You'd have it fight guy on your years ago. In the NBA everybody had like Dale. Davis like you had to have a couple of guys that were just willing to knock you on your but six nine to fifty eight to sixty tough dudes. It was a tougher league. It was a harder league. League and there was a lot of fights and pushing shoving and I mean. People were pushing Michael and so I mean everybody looks like Reggie Miller today. Everybody's long handsome skinny runs around like he looked like a toothpick, because everybody was, it was a lift weights. Bang into people. Knock them over their head off league, and there's a part of that. That's very fun. It's like SEC. Physical it just matters more. Today's more of a cardio legal everybody's buddies. League and everybody's getting rich league, but the players were far more skilled now. I mean you can't have. You can't have two guys on the floor. Who can't shoot a three? Trent Thompson years ago. He Tristan Thompson. He'd been a good player. In the NBA now it's like Oh good. Why don't we put? Tristan Thompson so. I always put. Athletes are bigger better and stronger than they've ever been. But there are parts I mean. Not All sports are better now I mean college. Basketball was way better than the eighties because guys like Patrick. Ewing would come back for a sophomore year. His junior year stars would come back for their senior year, so you knew you had an emotional connection to athletes in college basketball now it's a bunch of guys I've. I've never met their here for an hour. If they come at all to college basketball, they're off to the NBA I. Don't think the quality is very good in college basketball I. Don't think my connectivity to college. Basketball is nearly as good I know the coaches more than I know the players. That's generally not good for sport. Here's joy with the news. Heard on the news, this is the headline news comey thinking who in the sports world I'd want to have a drink with. Michael's mean well I had an opportunity to have a shot with them on my twenty first birthday. Obviously that that got your brother would not let you but other than Michael. I think Pat Riley would be a good hang if you know it's generational. People now are more protective. Patrick Pat Riley got his wealth his legacy. He has nothing to hide. So Briley is a great choice amazing. From like three different teams right so I think I think Bella check actually would be interesting is if you could get ballot check? A little loosened up day after he retired. Yeah, you get the secrets of the dynasty. Third Bourbon shot bills. Just blabbing. Yeah can't can't can't shut them up. On Friday Aaron Rodgers spoke publicly for the first time since the packers drafted Jordan. Love said he wasn't thrilled with the pick, but he understood it, but. Now. He isn't sure if he'll spent his entire career in Green Bay. It was more surprise of the pig based on my own feelings of wanting to play in my forties and then. Really the realization that. Does change the controllables a little bit, because as much as. You Know I. Feel Confident, my abilities and what? I can't accomplish them what we can accomplish. There are some new factors that are out of my control, and so my sincere desire to. Finished with the same organization just says it has with many other players over the years. You may not be a reality this. I thought I thought he handled himself really well. I thought he was authentic. He told you where he wasn't happy with stuff I. I thought he was about as honest as you can be. And he is smart enough guy to be able to massage. All those difficult topics thought he I thought he hit it out of the park. Maybe listen to your. Press conference preview. We kind of told them what to say and he did I thought he was really good I. I thought he was too and I. think that's an honest answer. As well and totally fair. Green Bay Fan shouldn't be upset at that. What do you expect them to say? They drafted a quarterback and he's right now again. Jordan love could never see the field in Green Bay. We've no idea what he is what it's going to be, but the reality is if you're gonNA play that long. You likely aren't going to be the same team. I mean we don't know what was going on with Tom Brady, and the Patriots whether it was really even an option. I mean the reported that they wanted him back was his choice. Bella check wanted him out three years ago. Right so, and that's Brady off a super bowl. Win Right so brady was aware that that was a possibility. Be playing somewhere else from that point because it almost happened and had that not gone down the way it did with Jimmy. Garoppolo maybe Brady would have been somewhere else before. You know before all that happens so I. I I find the idea of wanting to play like starting finished with one team. Loyalty in sports is a very complicated concept like we throw that word out there, but it really only applies to the players in most cases very rarely. Do we feel like you know? A team wasn't really loyal to guy. Because in general they have to make. Make harder decisions, and they have to look forward whereas players are generally more in the moments, and you know PSA mostly on themselves and their career, even if they are in a team sport, especially, the quarterback position to the word loyalty is really hard to find when it comes especially to professional sports, I understand wanting to play in one place and have a legacy like that, but. I don't think it takes away from your legacy to play in more than one place. Is. Your talents says that you're not an all time. I think Peyton Manning winning a super bowl in Denver. Even though he wasn't at his best makes them. It makes it more impressive. He won like Lebron winning in Miami and Cleveland, and if he won in Los Angeles I think it's the only shot he has to surpass Michael is. He wins a title in La to then you start going to yourself, okay? Michael went to a second place in whiffed like so he went everywhere. You go so I. Think it does change how we view you as a winner, but also to me what's impressive about it? especially as you go into later in your career for example, Peyton, manning, or whatever's going to happen with Tom Brady, it is a tremendous task for young players to go into a new place and learn something, but when you're used to something for decades, it's very difficult to adjust to finally. The bears have an open quarterback competition between Mitch. trubisky and Nick foles this summer had coach Matt. Nagy made it clear that she bisky will take the first snap. Get on the field, but that he still needs to see them both play ninety said it's going to be very important, and whatever time we're given for us to see it all plays out because there's zero jettison this thing because there's completes honesty. It's very healthy credits about that. These guys Mitch and Nick. They're both really good people nick. Foles has always been a very good quarterback when he has a good offensive mind. He was good with Andy. Andy saved his career Andy Reid and he was very good. Would Doug Peterson I'm interested to see nick foles. With Matt Nagy Well. He was with Matt Nagy when he was offensive coordinator in Kansas City in two thousand sixteen, and he said the foles relearning. The playbook is like riding a bike, so there's some familiarity there i. feel this. This has a lot of the Tennessee of last year. Feel to it. where. It's like you Kinda know kind of. The future of this is going to play out but I again I. don't really I. Don't know that I believe. This is not a described to them. I I don't know if I buy fully into the whole honesty thing you don't really. Oh, players, full and higher transparency. I do think you owe them. Honest conversations about listen. This is a competition are going to go with the best. Best Player, but what what you have to make decisions for the entire team, and sometimes telling players too much, it's too early can can change the course of that finally really quickly. The NFL sent a memo memo to all thirty two teams Friday, outlining the guidelines for reopening their facilities. Starting may nineteenth. Clubs are allowed to open their facilities if it is permitted by the state and local. Regulations no more than fifty percent of the staff up to seventy five people total can be president anytime. The coaching staff is not allowed to return yet. Players are only allowed if they're receiving medical treatment or doing rehab work, and the NBA has opened some pills facilities as well sixteen have our will be opened by today for voluntary workouts, and that's the cabs. Blazers Nuggets Grizzlies. He'd magic. The Lakers and the clippers have also opened as well. Joy with the news. That's the news. Thanks for stopping. Heard line. was it last week the week before and I said I wanted to get him on again. Jay Don days the Director of sports journalism at northwestern. He is joining US via the coward. Global Satellite. Network brought to you by Mercedes. Benz, the best or nothing, so jay has the rare position of having covered the bulls. A sports columnist for the Chicago sun-times, and then having covered Kobe Bryant for the La Times at that I. don't believe there's another journalists in. America, that was on that beat, so OJ is now joining us, so let's start with this J of this. Are Scottie Pippen feels wounded I covered him a portland. I thought he was talented, but at times moody and Immature I think it's been fair. How was it landed for you with Scottie Pippin? I'd think it's been fair. It's been the ups and downs. Their greatness has guy pippen the improbable rise from Hamburger Arkansas. It's one of the elite basketball players in the history of the game and. Yes the Moody Moments, the Tantrum, want to call it that one point eight seconds the Migraine game seven, but also I think you. You got a sense for the heroics the way he got it through that game six in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight, when his back was deteriorating on them the way he played that season on on a surgically a rehab ankle all the stuff that he was going through. I thought it presented a good balance. Scottie Pippen Maybe none of us would be happy if our flaws were presented on national television. Six million people a week. We wouldn't be happy with that, but I thought he saw the good and the bad of Scotty now there is the mythology of Michael Six 6-for-6 six. Everybody says Michael Goes Bring me back for a seven tidal. And I'm like. There's a saying I was told years ago. Always leave a party early. Never leave it late. I think the Bulls at the end Jay and you covered him. They were old. I think at times. They were offensively one dimensional like I think they laughed at the perfect time. The Spurs Dynasty was starting up. You're covering, you know. I don't think they would have won the following year Du. They went outside. I think they deserve the chance to fall or succeed on their own merits. I think the one argument in their favor. was there really wasn't a great team? Ready to take it from them, you know the spurs wound up having a long term success, but at that point Tim Duncan was in a second or third year in the League so I'm not sure he would have been able to stand up against the season. Experience Bulls the. The Lakers were too young inexperienced, even though they were very talented, there was nobody in the east, and the jazz were starting to fall out privacy. They didn't make it back to the finals that next year, so it really would have been about whether the Bulls could have sustained in. That's the great unknown. We've seen how difficult it was for the warriors to essentially try to win three row. If you say they were a few minutes from winning in in. Two Thousand Seventeen Twenty sixteen. They basically had a chance at three appoint Roe, but then you saw that that fourth year it all fell apart right with with durant, going down and then. Klay Thompson going down so it's a to ask that group to stay healthy for another year to stay motivated for another ever been asking a lot, but I think they deserve the opportunity, and it would have been about them not about the competition. You know there's a lot of people that say Jerry Krause was unfairly blamed for stuff. I think it lands pretty accurately I didn't cover the team and I had heard so many Jerry Krause stories. I do think Phil. Jackson comes off as so smart and so refined and this balancing Rodman Krause. Let's address krause. You've covered the team now. You told me last time when you call Jerry. He called you back. Have we been a little harsh on Jerry or you know Steve Cursor during the documentary, J.. He said the guy couldn't get out of his own way. Where do you land on Krause? And I told you he he didn't cultivate any allies. He had no one on his side. No one to really tell his story in the media while he was a general manager of the Bulls, he was so distrustful of the media entirely that he didn't give himself a chance. He didn't find someone to help sell his side. And even Scottie comes around at the end of the documentary. It says you have to give him credit I. Think Jerry was wrongfully kept out of the hall of fame longer than he should of. He should've gone in before he Jerry Reinsdorf went into the hall of fame. It went in in the opposite order and. REINSDORF should had more blame if people wind ranstorp cross along I, think he kept him around because krause got all the the blame. REINSDORF'S SORTA skated free. REINSDORF also could play the good cop sometimes, but I think if you look at all the issues here. You know it all has to go and start with the owner. Right and one of the great revelations out of this was the fact that riser called Phil Jackson after. Do you want to come back for another year? But by then it was too late Jay Don Day director of sports journalism at northwestern. If you WANNA, be a sports journalist, that's the place to go to legendary reputation, and you know I. saw channing. Frye said this weekend. He said you know modern players. They wouldn't wanNA. Play with MJ and I'm like. I don't know I. Mean Lebron is not always perfect kyrie irving, said no, thank you. Kevin Love's a great player. He was sort of marginalized Chris Bosh with on not. He's hard to play with if you're a big. What about that assertion, that Michael's to rough around the edges for the modern player you covered him. Did He have Fr-? The players tolerate him liked him. I, think it's more tolerated him. I think it's interesting you see. One of his lifelong friends is is George. Koehler who appears in his documentary? That was a guy. He met randomly at the airport when he first got. And he stayed tattered with him then he has any of his teammates over the years, but I will say I think it's hard for any team. Mates to stay France at such an unnatural amount of time that you spend together on planes on buses in many rooms and locker rooms in the shower together. So you really don't see a lot of friendships sustain among teammates because I just think they need a break from each other. After it's all said and done one thing essentially. If you try to imagine Jordan in the modern game, obviously the closest. Closest thing that we had to almost Kobe, you didn't see free agents rushing to sign up with Kobe Bryant when they had space under the salary cap in the last few years of his career, so maybe that indicates that Jordan might have had a hard time attracting people to come play with him in the free. Agency area that we've had the last ten or fifteen years compared to what it was in the nineties again John You had such a unique experience covering MJ in Kobe and I think Kobe's the closest stylistically. We've ever seen a Michael. And there are some things I. always thought had a little better range than Michael did as a shooter. Michael had bigger hands, so he did a lot more stuff around the rim. Were there things covering both want got five titles one six. was there anything Kobe was better. At than Michael at when having covered both. Better bad shot shooter, and if there was one second left I would take Kobe. Take a shot if there's enough time as we saw the famous last shot in Utah. If there's enough time for Michael, Jordan's to set himself up to create a shot, he's going to create a better shot and give himself a better chance of making that shot Koby. But if there's really no time to do anything other than get the ball and take a wild shot. I'm going Kobe Bryant. The best last second maker, the Guy I would take out of anybody and you know what Iran that premise. Premise by Phil Jackson one time and he agreed with me, so don't take my word for it. Take Jack's well. I mean I. Would Argue Phil Mickelson. In Golf is a great tough shotmaker. Tigers, the better golfer, but man Phil now still got himself into a lot of trouble, but phil was great tough shotmaker. You're in the bunker. If you need a flop shot, you'd go with Phil Mickelson Right. If you want to win the tournament, you could take tiger woods. I think that's an apt comparison. There's a poll out today that GM said K.. D. could not play with Michael. And I and I know we're. We're just guessing here, but you deal with a lot of young kids sometimes I think we marginalize kids in their teens and twenties, and we don't realize they're tough, but they don't have to wear as a badge like most of us in a different generation. My gut feeling. Kevin Durant likes winning. When you hear this. Kevin durant uniquely around more young people than any sports, journalist or former sports journalists in America. What do you make about the assertion? No Way Katie could play with Mj too tough on him. I think we have to look at Kevin, durant. Track record success. They were successful in Oklahoma City, and he basically made that franchise moved from Seattle and he was successful in Golden State coming in where he was the outsider and being able to adapt in no, it didn't last, so maybe he wouldn't be able to thrive and survive long term with Michael Jordan. Jordan, but I certainly think he could come and adapt and have success. We've seen him in two places so far haven't had chances implant both yet, but the two places he's played. He's been successful in both obviously more successful in with Golden State. Was this good journalism to you? This documentary or just great storytelling? Were you comfortable with the level of journalism? Great storytelling, first and foremost, and I never looked at it as an act of journalism from the fact that they needed Michael Jordan's approval to sign up for the footage aired in the first place. You know you'd never go into a reporting a story with that type of. Contingencies, but the storytelling and just you know as it went on, I think you realize more and more that they weren't trying to tell the complete story that they didn't really have the means even with ten hours to to tell the entirety of the story, and there's a lot that they left out some of it. Little things some of it big things but. They went with with what was going to generate the most reaction, so you don't really hear about Shawn Kemp in the two thousand or in the Nineteen Ninety six NBA finals, even though he played a big part in getting the Sonics back in that series, why, because the Jordan versus Payton storyline was so compelling, the reactions, the video, the verbal back, and forth between those two, so they went with that they turn the ninety six panels into pain versus Jordan when it was. was more than that, but for the purposes of the story they're trying to tell and the the video that they had on in their hands. That was the way to go great stuff Jay Don Day Director of sports journalism northwestern, the Middle School of journalism top in the country. What a pleasure! It's been to talk to you a couple of I'm GONNA. Have you I'm going to call you out to have you join our class? At some point, there's someone up next week. All ask him return. I does. Show, those kids can learn virtually nothing from me, but you can call me anytime you want me. You got me, but thank you so much. Appreciate it, they do. Somebody's got all right good stuff. Yeah, you know it is funny. This kind of Durant can't play with MJ. All all the dress all address. How young guys would have played with Mj Next? It's be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon Eastern. Not Am Pacific welcome back. Good Daven so. Ill from this documentary there's. There's a lot of narratives that are starting some I agree with some I. Do not agree with this is one of them. channing frye picks Lebron is the goat says modern players wouldn't want to play with Michael. Jordan I disagree with that first of all. Players like winning. Winning is basketball's a long season. If you ever noticed this baseball players always take the money. Football free agents always take the money. NBA. Stars, don't seventy percent of NBA STARS THEY WANNA win. Me Kevin? Durant has taken the most money Lebron has always taken the most money. Paul George didn't take it coy. You look into these guys. If you stay with your team that drafts you, you make your money. Players don't NBA players are constantly willing to big chunks of lettuce because they want to win games because they want to be on television. Because they want in May and June when everybody watches the league. They want to be playing. And that's the second part. Michael Jordan today would be great. And there was a glamour to Michael. Do you, think Dennis. Rodman gets the W. W. E. Call if he's playing for the Spurs. Everybody on that team had a card dealer, AD, or a clothing deal or That was all part of the Glamour of the franchise. I mean listen. It's Phil Jackson was a great coach, but it literally got Phil Jackson the Laker job. He was offered every job. It got him in general manager job at some point to the New York, Knicks just because of the Sheen, just because of the glare off the franchise, and so this idea that all players care about winning. The really great players in this league care about legacy and care about winning. They would've wanted to play with Michael Jordan. Because he was a winner and the star players people have compared Michael Jordan westbrook because of their intensity and their domination the ball, but there's a reason guys get worn out from Westbrook. He doesn't win in the playoffs, so you don't get your shots and you get crushed for not winning. With Michael you don't get your shots sometimes with Lebron you get marginalized Chris. Bosh go sit in the corner, but you'll win a bunch of titles and the reason Chris Bosh. Everybody knows Chris. Bosh is because he played for the Miami Heat and he played with Lebron James Otherwise. He would have stayed in Toronto, but a nice player fairly forgettable, but he went to Miami and Chris Bosh in sports is a household name. It's why networks will lead to happen as an analyst. It's wise. It's on social media. A lot of people follow him. That is the glamour cool, you know. Most most dynasties are not you think they're all fascinating tiger woods was fascinating. I don't think New England's been captivating I really, don't I? I am boring so I like New England. I thought. San, Antonio's dynasty was boring I. Thought I think Alabama's is mostly boring I. Think New England's is unless you're a die. Hard kind of boring, I think the Miami Hurricanes was wild fund I think. Tiger Woods was a lot of wild fund. I think the heels were a lot of fun. Check Kobe was fun. Most LA teams are a lot of fun, but they're not all that Chicago team and and I. Don't use this word in sports. A lot was glamorous. I mean they were stylish. They were cool. They were good looking. They were smart. They were cutthroat I mean even in Utah. After they won. They were doing the award ceremony and People in Utah. This is pretty cool as You just had to acknowledge I'd never covered Michael Jordan with the wizards. He was still a great player, but just Michael and a bad team. Did Not have the pulse. Don't give you an example and I've talked to NBA players about this. Guy You could ask Steve Kerr this. When you played on the Chicago Bulls, here's the advantage Michael gave players. So every bull's game. There are a lot of games in the NBA that don't matter, but because Michael. was so big. Every home game for the Bulls by wife lived in Chicago got some good seats occasionally, she said every game was like the Super Bowl Tuesday night Wednesday night Saturday night Sunday afternoon bulls. Games for six years were like super bowls at home. Then on the road, similarly they were, and so that kind of pressure that Michael created. The world's watching it elevated players. Players played harder more often very few male in games with Michael Jordan. The crowd was full. The stadium jammed. The lights were on. The game was on TV. Michael was riding your new. Do you know what Phil was writing you? So the idea that players we had? Kobe, he won five titles. He can wear people out pal liked him. Shack warm out, but there's a lot of the Lakers that got along with Kobe. It wasn't all bad coming up top of the hour where Colin was right where Colin was wrong and the great legendary Jerry. West is joining US around the corner. We're apart. These days often were sharing more in Geico. Sharing more to it called the GEICO giveback fifteen percent off car and motorcycle policies new customers old customers it last year entire term. GEICO DOT com slash giveback. DIKO DOT com slash giveback. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP, search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Why in Los Angeles our to this is the heard wherever you may may be in. However, you may be listening iheartradio Fox sports. Radio NFL Swan. Colin Right Con- wrong ninety seconds. Joy Taylor just told me she's going to write a book. She should have given a thinking about it. Well that's the first down. Yeah, well so I put on Instagram I got. I have your book. Both of your books. skips book on the cowboys. Ernestine spoke if which actually funny. He's a great book and Marcellus. This book so I'm doing. Some research also just got Pat Riley's book. Yeah yeah, it's hard. Well, yeah, I. Mean You know anything worth doing? His takes time and effort, but compared to like what we do now know. Not. Easy, but it's writing. A book is going to be a little more unbelievably rewarding. Why I remember the first first book I wrote I saw The New York Times. I was number six on the new. York Times bestseller list. My wife started crying and I was I passed out I think it was just. What? I thought that's not possible, so it's incredibly rewarding experience, but managed a lot of work, so it's great to have you and we do right wrong. If you've never listened to the show before on Monday, I make mistakes You know what I admit him now in fifteen minutes from now. or a little bit less A. Jerry West is GonNa stop by and the first NBA game I ever watched in. My life was in my bunk bed as a kid nineteen seventy two Jerry West Gail Goodrich Wilt Chamberlain had the headband will. It was really old and A. So it's always it's always like Jerry about once a year. He Still Jerry's one of those rare guys, older generation, but young players respect him so much like that doesn't happen usually like people just grow out of something. All young players still today like respect Jerry and that's very very rare. All Right Ready to go now Colin Right. We're not ready to go. What's going on? Our computers froze. I don't necessarily need right wrong I! Was Roy do we have any tonight? Place Sound in the back. Actually can they play sound? Okay we're good all right here. We go. Colin Right, Colin wrong. Colin Right. Aaron Rodgers had his press conference Friday. It was what we what we guest. He was authentic. He was honest. He addressed the tough questions. Here was one of his bites going right after the Jordan love situation which everybody was waiting for. You know generally axon that I was surprised and like many people. You know obviously not going to say that I was. You know thrilled by the picnic early, but I understand he didn't get asked to be drafted by the packers. He's not to blame it all. You know he's just coming in excited. About is not between. We had a great conversation that they have the draft and let me to work with them. He addressed everything the way he should. He was honest he didn't duck anything. We predicted it. We thought he was smart and he would handle it well. He did now. We're calling was wrong. Where Colin was continues to predict something that I. Don't think's going to happen here it is. The goal is obviously to play in my forties. That's kind of what I've been talking about the last few years, but you know I know the key for that is my physical body, and that's what I focus on. That's really my motivation to get myself physically the opportunity to play as long as I want to play, and it's going to be my continue motivation I've never seen him as a guy. That's GonNa play in his forties. I don't think he's defined by football. He's got a lot of interests. Music to finance the travel I've never seen him as a guy. That's GONNA play forever. But he keeps bringing it back so I'm wrong on that. Where Colin was right once again, the New Orleans Saints had to play the victim last week. This has become their defacto personality. Nobody likes us the world picking on us. When a story came out, the James Harrison was once handed an envelope by Mike Tomlin which Mike Tomlin and the steelers denied Sean. Payton came out to say well I doubt they'll say anything. Nobody's picking on the saints. The League caught them red-handed on bountygate. Yes, other teams may have had bounties. But, they weren't caught. Your rob a bank. There's not gonNA be equal punishment. Some get away with it and some. Don't but if you get caught, you're gonNA. Get whacked and there's a reason Sean Payton got wack. They had a bounty. Nobody's picking on the saints. Payton's likable drew. BREES is likable. They're one of the more you know. Post Katrina there's a sense of resilient to the city the American spirit this idea the League is picking on the League. Last year created an instant replay on pass interference to make sure they didn't have their feelings hurt. They already got rid of it because it was so. Don't be Corny where Colin was wrong. ESPN Opole, Michael, Jordan, or Lebron, who's better I'm not surprised that Michael won the pole I am surprised that eighteen to thirty four year olds. Sixty six percent preferred Michael Jordan IOS figured younger fans equalled Lebron fans clearly those old youtube videos work. I do think the documentary. Has Been Jet Fuel for Michael Jordan's brand. I bet his shoe sales go up. Even higher already is worth three point one billion a year annually. For Nike Sales, which is about eight to nine percent of the overall sales for Nike, but young people prefer MJ to over Lebron. Where Colin was right well SEC, football prediction, my one sports prediction is going to be the SEC's GonNa play football. I. Don't know about the NBA baseball that I know. The SEC's already saying publicly listen of all of our teams can't play then we can just have Bam in Auburn play two times the day. They're not getting in the way of it. They have conservative governors in the south. The University of Florida is already offering their facilities to pro teams to come on down and play in Gainesville. Listen the branding of the SEC you've seen the commercials, it matters more, and it does, and when this virus hit, and as it's gone on and on and on the people who are willing. To take a few risks on blowback from the media and twitter are the one succeeding now and the SEC has made no bones about it were playing. Regardless of every southern team can play where Colin was raw I was starting to feel pretty pessimistic about the NBA returning but Adam. Silver surprised me last week. He's very pro player. David Stern was too, but silver came out last week, and with real urgency and acknowledged. We are not built for a multi year pandemic. This will change the salary cap and revenues four decades. It was a call for urgency. It was a call to the biggest stars silver said somebody gets the virus. We can't break it down and stop the League it was a real shift in tenor by Adam Silver. One I think is necessary and one that surprise me where Colin was right James Harden's annoying. Nobody likes him so last week. The NBA got all their big stars on the phone. Including Leonard who doesn't talk and they got the rockets number. Two player Russell Westbrook on the phone, noticeably missing. James Harden whose game is annoying, not considered a team guy so so on the defensive end a solo act. I think his legacy. He'll have a lot of street cred, and will be one of the all time scoring greats, but I've come around on harden I like him more now than I used to. Because I think he's worked on being at least A. In different teammate, if not a great one, but I don't think this is random. I mean just certain players. Other players don't like a lot of guys didn't like Isaiah. Thomas wasn't used MJ a lot of players. Don't like hard. Where Colin was wrong yet? Another quarterback expert loves Jarret Stidham New England's heir apparent to Tom, Brady Cliff Kingsbury came out last week and talked about how he recruited him. How amazing is an D is? Listen I watched him playing college yet. Eighteen touchdown passes for Auburn Auburn's got pro receivers and backs. He got drafted in the fourth round. Nobody was outraged by it. size man. Athletic Ability Ma- you're watching. The tape is a blow you away Bella check for the record was willing to get rid of Tom Brady after on the super bowl against Atlanta for Garoppolo Bella. Check this. Wanted Brady back. An older brady less effective brady, Bella check watched every practice. If stood him so good. WHAT IT VAL CHECK BRADY BACK! I don't get it. Where Colin was right. By the way. You know I'm not a fan of Cam Newton. And people making lots of excuses why they don't get Cam Newton I've always said it's drum I've been told for years. He's distracted and there's a lot of drama. Anthony Lynn. When discussing why they didn't get Cam. Is trying to sell me on this quote. I really feel good about tyrod Taylor. In eastern stick, nobody talks about east and stick. He won three National Championships at one AA. He's a hell of a leader Helluva Professional. He's going to be a great player one day timeout. You're trying to sell me on eastern. Stick over Cam Newton Come on Tyrod, Taylor I get. This just proves people didn't want Cam. When you're arguing eastern stick is making the quarterback room complete. What you're telling me is you don't want any part of Cam too much drama, too many distractions and I got nothing against Easton stick. But you can't sell me on that. You want to sell me on other guys. You like your Sam, darnold. You'll you'll you'll you want to sell me on? You liked Derek. Carr get it. You like Kirk cousins I get it. Eastern stick. He's a hell of a leader among now. He just didn't want Cam. You don't want. The Baggage Cam in the drama Cam. Get it. 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Sports connects US small towns, mid sized towns and large cities, and there's an there's an ability with sports to move emotionally and Everybody was yesterday fishing around played some tennis outside came in, and and just just by the way certain sports don't need like UFC I can watch without fans. The soccer in Germany, I like fans. No fans was rough. Huge part of the. Culture and Energy of sports, especially soccer especially. German soccer, like they have legendary fans, and so I found NASCAR I thought it was moving I thought I thought you, could you could? It worked like NASCAR. Worked I think UFC worked? I think tennis works. I think golf works. I will tell you. My understanding is in football. This network and other networks are GonNa have fans CGI and they're going to have. Like crowd noise pumped in it. There's no fans and I gotta be honest, with you. I have no problem with that. This is this is all temporary. Work everyone has to make adjustments to this new reality for the time. Being this is not going to be forever. We'll find ways to to to make it happen. Obviously, you want fans. That's that's the goal. Everyone wants very safe Jerry West right around the corner. Let's go to joy Taylor with the news. The the news. This is the headline news. So, the charges were rumored landing spot for Cam, Newton at one point, but ultimately they pass and head coach Anthony Lynn said during the Zach Gelb show on CBS sports radio that they didn't sign can because they were comfortable with the quarterbacks they already have. On somebody's lost. Somebody with a few games, but we take a look at that sure. I feel really good about the quarterback that I. Have you know tyrod? Eastern stick with the guy that a lot of people don't cocoa by, but you know he's Division One AA one like three national championships with tyrod. Taylor's on that. We had an opportunity to get one fifty six minute drive. Came into play when the government by CAM. So essentially they chose eastern stick. Who's never taken a meaningful nfl snap, and just in Herbert who's never taken an NFL snap? Camp because if they would have chosen Cam, keep. tyrod is a backup. So essentially what they're basically saying is we took Justin Herbert. An eastern stick over camp. Well Yeah. I mean the eastern stick thing I I don't. Think. He's just being nice. That was a quarterback. That was necessary to mention because obviously. Houston's probably not going to see the field, but if you look at if you're evaluating with the moves they made, and this does make sense. Because why would you bring in Cam Newton if you have tyrod Taylor and you're planning on drafting just in Herbert, so they obviously planned on taking to our Justice Herbert, whoever was available at that spot six by the draft so it? It doesn't make sense to bring in Cam. Newton and tyrod Taylor right. I mean that's. That's a packed quarterback room to have Justin Herbert who you obviously took at that spot to be the future of your friend. I mean if tyrod, Taylor. Who's WHO's already been in your system? You already have a relationship with he's. He's a and that. You're comfortable with their. It doesn't make sense the bring in Cam Newton. Cam is going to be in front of tyrod. Tells you is if there was an injured Lamar on the market or Patrick Mahomes Russell Wilson or once you take him over those guys cams just overvalued by the media and undervalued by coaches. Yeah, I think I think that's fair. I'm a fan of cameras, so I'm I'm I. Lean Towards Cam, so having a lot of football left in them and being a franchise quarterback, but that again the market has to be available like two things can be true. He can still be a franchise quarterback, and there be no place for him and an opposition right now in the league, but if he was as good as people said, you would make a position. Like you'd be like okay. We gotta have him. You would for example if it was like Jacksonville right like you, you like arguments you. Newton is better than Gardner Menchu, but you're planning for the future and got in Jacksonville when I. Get different situation. If you bring in Cam, you're going to be just good enough not to get the quarterback that you want for the future. If you don't want to build around around Camden that makes sense, so yeah, I, again I think the market sort of dictates. What's going to happen with? Cam, while I think I'm glad that he's open to taking a backup position because it'd be good situation for that. That works out so the Devin mccourty wasn't thinking too much about Tom Brady's free agency decision this off season, because he was a free agent himself, but now that he's back in New England and is happy that Brady. End Up doing what's best for him. He said I honestly didn't think twice about. Tom Brady's free agency, because I was a free agent. That was my main concern when he made a decision to me. It wasn't like it was the end of the world. That's what our league about that's. What players before us. A fought for be a free agent and shoes I was happy for him if he what makes him happy. Still kind of the same I mean not that he's GonNa come out and be like. Yeah. We're going to be awful and. It's not the end of the world. It's not great, it's. Great and it's I I. I mean I guess I. Kind Kinda tend to believe that nobody wants to say anything and I get a player, not saying anything of course, but it's almost like it's sacrilegious to just question. What's happening in, new? England, like it's it's against the rules or something like ups disrespectful. I don't know what jared cinemas that he might be amazing. I'll feel great about it. I think it's okay to say I don't know why. It's such a big deal, so channing Frye is the latest players give his opinion on the Jordan versus the Bron- debate. He picked Lebron is the goats and argued that players nowadays would not want to be on the same team as I'm Jay boy. He only have really one jump, and that was just school, and he did that at an amazing amazing rate, but I don't feel like his way of winning then would translate to what is now. Guys WanNA play with. I disagree. I. Don't know I bristle at that I think guys lie. Think NBA players in my lifetime. They like to win. Well I certainly would not I would describe Michael Jordan's a score, but to say that he only score. His great defensive player was a nine time. Guess NBA all, Defensive Team Selection Defensive Player of the year. Terrific defense. On the defensive end as he was on the offensive end, and many consider him to be the best offensive player of all time, and you just said he was the greatest scorer of all time, so I mean that that you can argue that so the end of the day, but the real point is that players wouldn't want to play with Michael Right there's a lot that goes into that. Maybe Michael's personality is different than the culture of today, but I don't think you can move. Those things around like Michael was playing today. With the with the mentality had he would have also have grown today, so he would think until you the world. Teams have different personalities. Will Chamberlain was a little flake year. He played with Jerry West who had great leadership qualities. They were different people I think. As Oh I grew up with Spencer Haywood. I mean you. This I'm going way back. He was his own guy. He was an independent guy. I'm Seattle Fan. We had Gus Williams. He basically left the NBA one of the great players that nobody ever talks about. The NBA's always had unique personalities. Tough guy is fun. Guys lack guys. Chill guys intense. Guys I think we're marginalizing I. Think all guys WanNa be winners, I don't WanNa. Be Winners and I think that each. Each decade. I guess each. Era How different culture and energy to it that I don't think you can just swap like Yeah. I don't think players a lot of players. Today would not be able to make it in MJ'S NBA like. You can't slip like switch the Erez like that good stuff joy with news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard lie well Jerry West his resume. It looks like Michael Jordan's as a player and as an executive Jerry is one of the seminal figures in NBA. History is a humble. Guys didn't want to talk about that, but I am interested in his perspective. On the documentary and all things, NBA so Jerry West is joining me now. Live the our global satellite network. So I watch Jerry I watched this documentary and I loved every second of it. I was fascinated by it. I love NBA history I was a kid who collected basketball cards. Not Baseball Cards, did you? Did you learn anything Jerry from it or did you just enjoy the walk down memory, lane? Obviously no awful lot about what went on that point in time and thank the biggest thing that that I got from it is that? This was like the ultimately driven athlete who had an enormous skills. Okay, enormous when you watch his. Physical -bility even at. That point in time. I'm not sure we've seen an athlete like him in this league ever. But combine that with the skill level. The intensity level, but more importantly. He had enormous believe in himself and I. Don't care how great you order sometimes when you. Lose Games at a really important for you. You have a question in your mind. I don't think Michael in his light has ever had a question has line about whether or not? He was going to succeed before and I don't think I've seen another way in my wife. Jerry Scottie Pippen some of said. It's been unfair. You played with Elgin Baylor wilt. You're leader. But it's tough being sometimes a leader because you have to include people and everybody's got a different personality. Do we understand Value Scottie? Pippen's ability to be Robin to Batman. Is that you know having been in a role where you were the guy and played with other stars? Can that be difficult? Well. No I think it really depends on the person. Okay, their particular personality. After, watching this the one thing that I communicate with today with launched Frank We've been watching the thing and he's in New Jersey obviously were separated. We worked together with the clippers now and one of the things that I I just WanNa. Bring up something in my career, and I'm not I don't WanNa talk about myself, but we run in the eight finals nine times. Nine times and we won once. and Michael had said something that I think is really really compelling to me. He said winning has a price. And it does have a price. And that price for me has been completely. The opposite of that Greg feeling that he has to go through the summer. As you worry about some of the things that are that are That you have no control over. And yet you looked your impact. You think you have an impact on a game and you lose. For me. All my life. Sometimes I felt like a loser and. I had a pretty pretty amazing career someone during my era. and. We all. Take it differently, and we can be competitive. We can be quiet. We can be a lot of different ways in with our personalities, but his personality. You Watch it. He's one of my favorite people a-. I've ever been around in my life I. Know Michael I've been around him. I've enjoyed some really fun times with him. That documentary when you see him interacting with the players a lot Abbott, he was kidding. They're thing he was. Not some of it was not. And I think you have to have a certain kind of personality to do what he did with his life that this is one of the. He's the man's name. Trust me a man's man I. Love being around him. He doesn't chain. I wonder if we had all social media today. Would he be the one to get on there and extolled his virtues I. Don't know I don't think he would have. His play. Is play dictated who he really was. And, a remarkable player as I say I love to be around him. He just a great guy. You know. Jerry, you are. I'm not sure there's anybody better at judging talent, and it's very difficult. You traded for Kobe Bryant a high school player on Draft Day Jerry and that was a real gamble. When you when you watched Kobe. Now years later, all of us said. A little like Michael, but when you traded for Kobe, was part of it, you saying icy Michael or did that develop for you as an executive? No I just saw extraordinarily gifted for your leaders, other factors leading into. We were trying to acquire Shaquille. O'Neal, which we're looking to give, and we try to like crazy to trade him but I thought he really was the best player in the draft I saw him perform. In workhouse, a lot of him in high school, but he using uniquely gifted athlete okay, but the other thing. I think the things that he had. Maybe were somewhat like Michael, was his fierce desire to be the best, and if you watch that documentary, okay, and when they won. I would guarantee you the last image that I remember last night. Michael Jordan was standing on a table. Exalting the fans and trying to get everyone involved. And if you look. You see Kobe Bryant, doing the very same thing. He loved a love. Michael Jordan. He emulated Michael Jordan. And he was very much Canada. Same Personality is Michael Jordan that he was not Michael Jordan. He was Kobe Bryant. And his historic desire to gain information to get better was almost like. Michael Jordan was his hero, and he was gonna go everything he could to have the same success, but more importantly not let anyone to outworked him. Jerry West joining US Jerry sometimes we romanticize the past and we ignore how great people are now I think the skill level of NBA players is absolutely remarkable ball handling shooting. I think it's unbelievable, but there is something about Michael's and your era which I grew up on first NBA game I saw. WAS YOU and gail? Goodrich and wilt with a headband and I I can remember be in my bunk bed as a kid. There is something about the older times Jerry. Where there was less money. Guys were fighting for a small piece of the Pie. It was a more physical league I understand people liking the old days better. We tend to go this. This is better that as better. Do you compare the two eras, Jerry? What do you like about Michael's era? And what do you like about today's players era? Well Michael's era Michael started this okay to be honest with you, he was. In a look players and the way the rules have changed at one time. Colin you p players were really good had to work in the summer to support their families with the enormity of the money, the enormity of the. Equipment the teaching ability the facilities the training. The players today have such an advantage. It's a joke, okay. They can really if they're willing to work hard enough. And they wanna be something special. We see an incredible amount of great great athletes, but in watching them they get to a certain point, and and you see they improve some because nasty. The experience playing against great players that these truly really great ones come back with something different every year. You know I see see people. Rating players of all different ears, and I see players that are ranked like twenty, four, twenty, fifth and stuff like that all time great players. They made the all pro team one time one time. and to me, you're not you're not. You're not a top twenty five. Unless you've made it a minimum. A minimum. And this guy here is an I'm talking about Michael. I'm talking about Kobe Bryant. They have a long. The less risk careers and Michael could continue to play but I. I'm not so sure that. The enormous pressure on him, and if he wants him, go anywhere. He was like the Pied Piper. You could not keep people away from him. He just had that that incredible charisma. But when he clay. He was not wanNA. Take a nine all. But and they see that kind of harsh side with his interacting. The other players. The other side is what. The death of his father Omar goodness. How that affected him how much he admired him. How much depends upon him? And then. The thing that no one ever considers. Are The people that would be considered menial than work for organization that players get attracted to. And his security guard. The gentleman who had? Lung, cancer and passed away. For player a Michael Stature. Who has seemingly is just so obsessed with. His family his career. To go out of his way. To go visit this gentleman. It really tells you who he is as I say I love Michael Jordan I. Absolutely love Michael Jordan. Just is the best. He's a best athlete I've ever seen in basketball. People are gonNA make comparisons but. I wonder today with a rules having changed day, you can't hand check. You can't touch anyone. You can walk all over the place. You can carry the basketball replaced. and. This is a heavily Shen of the game. If he get a bad a debt to his game. My goodness, what would we see today? Yeah? Jerry. It's interesting again. A generation I remember this well as I watched the documentary, I saw Dennis. Rodman Dennis terrific, but was his own spirit will. You inherited wilt. Chamberlain who was very very I, will today with Social Media Lord. and I WanNa talk about that Michael was able. To Harness Dennis's uniqueness and it worked although it could be distracting, you did the exact same thing with Wilt Chamberlain Jerry. You were very mature and very focused. If, you'd like to talk about wilt and Rodman but I. think that's we don't look at Rodman I thought. Michael Made Rodman, work and let him be Rodman and I. Don't think that's easy if you could talk about that. Well. You know obviously Dennis, Rodman great player, and I really liked Denis personally. He was with us in Los Angeles for short period of time. And didn't work out there. He was you know he was really he was really trouble doing that period of time. But I think Phil Jackson should get an enormous amount of credit for being able to handle him but I. Think along with Michael and I think Dennis if he respects you. He's GonNa do anything for he really is. But I think the respect. He had for Michael because no one was going out work Michael but Dennis Rodman work ethic his. End Steak at basketball. Intelligence was off the chart, but Phil Jackson. Has Did a great job in Los Angeles when you had two distinctly different personality. Kobe, Bryant and also. Shaquille, O'Neal. The Way Phil Handle there I'm sure that any coach any code to their Dennis Rodman's? If he would leave to, he needed to go to have a vacation Miller season. I never seen anything like that. and. And then. To watch him I think the funniest thing because to go to the WW www the world wrestling association, whatever it was the debt point in time. And no one knew where he was. I. Think the way they're all handled. Bap was absolutely unbelievable and the team goal. They knew of his importance on their team. That Michael. Would I never saw him say anything to Dennis Rodman on these. On the on this broadcast, he accepted Dennis Walk. Yes, how important he was winning! That's well put. Hey, by the way finally I have said Join I. Have said I think the clippers are built championship i. don't worry too much about seeding. I think your team has enough veterans and coaching to overcome having to play some games on the road. We got a couple minutes left. How much fun is it been for you? It's a unique roster of young old veterans new kids. It's a fascinating culture. You have developed there and I have to imagine this really lands well for you because it's not been easy, you've got another big brandon town which you help create if you could talk about the growth of the clippers and what it's meant for you. Well, I think an awful lot colonies you well aware is. Jerry Krause Menton organizations when championship. That's not true. Okay, it is not true. Players win championships, but it's up to the people internally. Go get those players and if he can't do that, and if you don't have the right support group around, you can't do it. You have to have smart people. We have had real committed people Steve bomber. There's never been a better odor I work with Jerry Buss very much like him a man of the people. Michael Heisler, who I worked for him in Memphis an unbelievable guy, but we do have a very capable team that the age group of this team is incredible. And this could be a dominant defensive team with a work of Lawrence Frank. Our staff Michael Winger. Steve is allowed and to bring in players. Others would not WANNA pay. And we've all very fortunate that we have a team. That can be really competitive, but it's kind of. You know you get to the top of the mountain and you WanNa. Go down the other side of the mountain. As a season wearing long you could see always these weren't that. Many games left at a regular season. We just got top of now, and we're going to go down. Easy amount, not the hard part every team, the league bases that, but this team was getting better and better better in our coaching staff was very positive about this team, and that that to me says a lot, but. I think would be great if we could have series if we're gonNA have a season. They have cabin series the Lakers and clippers. That would really be Glenn for me, but more importantly with everyone looking for competition, I mean it's sad i. mean I look for anything to watch this competition? I can't find anything goes no people there. There's something about having the crowd there, but can you imagine if if if we'd have a western conference champion ship with the Lakers and clippers? Two teams in the finals. Imagine what the ratings would be like. Series. Do Wonders for the people who are just roping for things to try to find this competitive. I mean you can get on the air and talk about or wanted to, but people were just creating stories today. Creating content there has little or no interest to what America's about. That's about competition. And I think it would be fun as I say the Lakers were my life Okay, they were my life and are no longer part of my life, and as I'm thrilled that someone like Steve Bomb thought I could help a little bit great owner important. He's a great guy and. I'm lucky at this point in my life to hopefully finish my career with the clippers I'm not going anywhere else, but I would love to see the clippers get into the finals. And winning NBA Championship and see what would happen. In Los Angles I think it'd be. Jerry. You look fantastic I love hearing Ya. And CNN and I'm so thankful you stop by are shown a Monday. Congrats on all your success. Going forward, Jerry, thank you so much. Great to spend time with this basketball. Please please I. Need Some basketball and he clippers lakers. That'd be pretty good. Right buck. Celtics. Clippers Lakers west. Good stuff Jerry West. all right. We gotta take a break that went long time, and it was a lot of fun back in the second, the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon Eastern, not am Pacific on Fox sports radio, F, s one and the iheartradio APP. The online savings account for Marcus by Goldman. Sachs a high yield account. No fees money actually grows. Please learn more MARCUS DOT COM online calculator compares rates Goldman Sachs. Bank USA MEMBER FDIC Jerry West good thirty minutes. Jerry West talking anytime. I'll take it a doug. GOTTLIEB stops by fine lower of our show. Jay Don, day earlier. Obviously, the last dance has been five sundays ten episodes of to me just riveting television. I think there's some journalism in there, but I think documentaries are mostly about storytelling. They're not a newspaper. It's about storytelling. You have to make choices like the way I look at documentary is. Is there some you know? Okay? We've got video of this. Okay. We can tell that story. We don't have video of this. It's a harder story to tell. It is a visual enterprise in so the video they have they move in that direction. They talked enough about Michael's gambling to me. which I always thought was absolute nonsense. They talked. About the Steve Kerr incident. I thought the Steve Kerr segment last night on his father, being assassinated in Beirut, was unbelievably powerful. Steve Current Michael on that team have been great leaders beyond Matt in business or in basketball. They also both had really formidable upbringings parentally They had great leaders in their life. Michael had Dean Smith at Carolina Steve. Kerr had Lute Olson it Arizona. We ask a lot of our athletes to be great. Leaders unique examples and I and I think they both had them. I will say this when I watched it. The thing remember is The everybody says they kept playing implying. The Ninety six bulls team had seventy two wins and the next year they came back. They had sixty nine, and then the ninety eight team had sixty two. And they were getting older, so it was a struggle. Offensively Rodman wasn't a score Scotty was a slasher, not a score. Current Paxton were limited scores. So. It just I watched the joy. The whole thing made me happy. I'm not a memory lane guy I like to live in the moment I'm not a rear view. Mirror Guy, a windshield guy, but I loved it. Yeah I felt. tweeted this yesterday. It kind of felt really poetic and perfect for this moment where we have no competition as Jerry West, said there's no competition. We're looking for competition all experiencing this together and getting to go through the process I. This had come out when it was supposed to during the finals and we're watching the finals I. Don't think we would have experienced the same way I. Think we would have. Loved it and enjoyed it, but we're all like deep diving in on the greatest dynasty in sports together and being able to discuss it, and there's so many emotional moments that we don't. We're going to talk about like we're not going to bring up bowls and be like. Steve's Steve, seekers. Father Michael Jordan's father. Any of the emotional things that went on with it, so yeah, it's it's. When I got done watching it I've felt like full. Chicken noodle soup like That was good those happiness. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel like I think Michael's tough, but I, don't you know? He went golfing with a Lotta? Guys, so they had like a little. He played cards with a lot of them. Well, it's like he's a man's man like how he was talking to Larry, Bird. Like not everybody communicates that way. Obviously, but you know you and I have had this conversation before. I talked to some some of my girlfriends. Abrasive. Li like when you close the people. You're more open with them like you're more yourself. You're loose Michael's Ammann's man. Yeah, there's there's not a lot of I. Don't think he'd be a big social media. Guy I just hey, listen to Charles. Barkley isn't a lot of the old school. Guys like they're just not interested in that at all they they WANNA. Be like Warren Beatty said the Madonna during a movie. Does every part of your life have to be public? Can't you just go home and be private? I think Michael's a very private guy. All right our three live in la coming up the her. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific. Oh here we go. It is a Monday little damp outside. It's our three and we're live in Los Angeles. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. iheartradio Fox sports radio NFL God I needed cut again. Better find a barber I'm playing tennis all. We filled up good news. Joy a little activity in my very excited about that you love tennis loved tennis by the imagined. Picking up your smartphone your APP controlling your grill remotely. That's what you do. Do what I did I got wreck tech grill. They're absolutely amazing. WRECK TECH GRILLS DOT COM net R.. E. C. T. E. C. grills with an s dot com. APP control started. Turn it off right. There make those pork chops as you're driving home. It's great to have you in. Doug Gottlieb in fifteen minutes. Okay the MJ DOC. The last dance has been a joy. It's a filling. It's been a great distraction during this time for many people including joy and I and last night it wrapped with the final two great episodes. I can't think of anybody in sports outside of. Tiger Woods I'd probably watch a ten part documentary. He's had enough controversy and greatness, and there's a combination of stuff what made Jordan so fascinating is there was controversy? He was fighting his GM. There was the Rodman factor. Not all great teams are fascinating I'm not sure I could watch thirty minutes of a one part documentary on the Tim Duncan Spurs I'm not sure I could get through it I, don't WanNa Watch a documentary on. Football they're just great. They're not fascinating. I can watch a FI documentary in the Miami hurricanes or p Carroll's Trojans, not all documentaries are fascinating. Michael's was. One of the takeaways and one of the things that frustrating for fans and I've always had this belief. Leave a party to early late. Nothing, but more cocktails and more dumb comments in trouble the latest data party. Come late leave early. Make an appearance have some fun. Shake some hands. Leave early. You don't WanNa. Be The last guy around the keg. Okay, you don't. and. To me, the Bulls left at the perfect time ninety eight. Now there's a lot of people. Michael Jordan at the end saying I wish we could come back for one more. No, no, no, no. This is perfect. It adds to the mythology one of the cool things about Michael Jordan's legend. There's a lot of what if with it. Not with bird not with magic. Lebron Cleveland, it's kind of pathetic it unravels. It is time, but there's a lot of what if what Jordan do six for six, but what if he didn't play baseball? He could have got eight for eight. What Jerry Krause didn't break him up. ooh, ooh Michael, and the bowls left the party just a little early, and it adds to a shoe, sales and mythology. The following year pippen was not going to stay because Houston was offering him a contract of eighty million dollars. He wasn't going to stay for fourteen in Chicago. For one year, Rodman was getting older and distracted and less consistent. Toni Kukoc was not the kind of player Michael was ever close to or could rely on. If you go back to it the ninety eight season never forget this. Phil Jackson figured it out to Phil. Jackson told Jerry Krause I'm not rebuild it. I'm out, Phil Jackson who came off greatness documentaries like boob clean out six. Is that the Spurs Dynasty at arrived. So in ninety, nine thousand nine the year. Michael Says I want to come back for one more year? The Spurs one in the playoffs. They swept the Lakers. They swept the blazers and destroyed the Nixon Five. It was Dunkin Robinson, and frankly you think Karl Malone was a bad match up for Chicago. How would have Duncan and Robinson bid? It was over. This how many close games were there? It was it was over. They were old. They were the best team, but they were winning a lot of those games. Let's be honest. Over Utah and over Indiana. In some of those games on Moxie Championship medal and the individual play by Michael. Late, it wasn't. They were steamrolling teams in fact against Utah. They didn't score one hundred points in the finals. Why because they were offensively challenged, they were only ninth in the NBA in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, nine in offense that's with the greatest offensive player ever. Ninth Okay so the idea that had come back, no not to push off. Michael hit said he's holding the trophy their 6-for-6 seacrest out. It's the perfect way to do it. This is why the mythology of Michael. is almost as great as the reality of Michael. Like Michael had a lot of struggles, a lot antagonized by his own GM pippen could be unreliable. Rodman was flaky and increasingly distracted. Coach was never really like one of the guys. Steve Kerr Paxon their career. Averages are six points a game. It was perfect. They were old, tired, offensively challenged and Michael, and the Bulls left the party just a little early never too late. Now let me shift to the Scottie Pippen I covered them in Portland. Apparently. Scottie Pippen has been. Wounded is the word by the documentary and I've said this before I. Don't think. I've ever met anybody in their life. That didn't deserve their reputation I mean we earn our reputations, maybe not when you're seven eight nine ten eleven twelve years old, but by the time you're thirty, forty, fifty sixty. You are what you are good or bad. You've I've never seen a pro athlete who was a great guy with a terrible reputation. I've Jay Cutler's difficult. That's his reputation. Aaron Rodgers talented, but can be difficult. That's his reputation Dennis Rodman talented but flaky. That's his reputation. I'd say those are spot on. Okay, so Scottie. Pippen doesn't like how he's portrayed in this, but having covered him I think it's been as accurate with Scotty anybody. Scotty is seen is super talented. Vital to Michael, Jordan success. Sometimes immature pouted. They didn't bring up the DUI and the dog or the gun charge against Scotty they showed the pouting on the bench. They showed him when he basically decided. I'm not going to get rehab a surgery in the summer because I want to have a fun summer to hurt the team. When I covered Scott, I thought he was really talented. I thought he was tough as hell. I thought it was a nice guy, but I never thought he was a leader. I thought he was the classic. Great Vice President and it should be noted most great athletes are not great leaders. Jeeter was a rod was just talented. Peyton, manning and Brady are Russell Wilson is. But I can name lots of quarterbacks. I've said with Aaron, Rodgers. He's Great I. Don't know if he's a great leader. He's just really talented, but to be a great leader. You generally need examples of great leadership. Look at Scottish background and look at Michael. One of the great advantages Michael had was rock-solid parents into Dean Smith Into David. Falk into David Stern. Michael had so many amazing examples of leadership. Michael's too smart, not to have gleaned some of that off. That Scottie Pippen's background. He didn't go to a classic college. Basketball Power with the Dean Smith his upbringing from the documentary was tougher. His father had a stroke very early. He went to a small college. So when I look at Scotty Pippin I think he's an amazing. American story is that if you look at his childhood, he didn't grow up with much, and he became an unbelievable now. He's a broadcaster. He was a great player. He's a top thirty player. I've ever seen maybe a top twenty player I don't know but but to ask every athlete to be a great leader is like asking every human being on the planet to be a great leader. Isn't that that thing? We always complain about every presidential election. These are the candidates. This is what we're left with. Those are grownups. He was a kid Scotty was a great player. He's a great story, but the documentary has. Not Been Unfair. It's been reasonable that Michael was the better player and the better leader Scotty was super talented, but sometimes. You couldn't count on them in big situations. I don't think that's inappropriate, nor do I think it's unfair. I think it's what Scotty is super talented like a lot of pro athletes, but not built or not comfortable. Maybe that's a better word to take the burden of a franchise on his shoulders that that wouldn't be abnormal. That would be normal, boast twenty, one, twenty, four, twenty seven thirty two year olds. Are Not Ready. To carry like Russell, Wilson an NFL franchise. They're simply not. And if you look at Russell Wilson, and you look at Jeeter, and you look at Peyton. Manning much of the credit goes to when they were kids. And the people giving them great leadership. Ideas and paths, and so I don't think Scott has been inappropriately unfairly labeled I think it showed him as a great teammate at times sometimes. Ludi and pouty and in crisis. Sometimes he was great. Sometimes, he wasn't. He was not always bad in crisis. He was often great and crisis. The one thing that thing showed last night was how Tuffy was, and I can say this. Having covered Scotty played to a lot of injuries. He hit the deck. Was the floor allot. was never a one hundred percent healthy took care of his body played her said there's about Cam Newton. I don't love Cam Cam is hurt a lot and plan to pain a lot. That and Scotty always given credit for Doug. GOTTLIEB is around the corner. He'll be fun joining us live next door to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon. Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the iheartradio APP pitch a free credit score card today. Even if you're not a discover customer, include your Fico Credit Score. Go to discover dot com slash credit scorecard limitations apply. Good stuff doug. GOTTLIEB and I played tennis yesterday I'm not going to divulge the outcome, even though it's very beneficial to me. And joining us now, being a coward global satellite network. I don't think either one of us is going to make the Australian Open anytime soon. We're not planning now. But but you want you want Colin one. You know you're much better than me. At this point in time. It's very much the preseason. No, we're. We're like when the Lakers and the clippers got now in play. That's that's what I would equate it. Okay Fair enough all right, so let's start with this. Everybody now says Michael Says. You know I wanted to come back for one more year. GimMe a seven championship and I'm like I. Don't know they look pretty offensively challenge Doug. What do you make the claims that they could have come back and WANNA seven? I thought Phil Jackson who didn't have a ton of input on the documentary. I thought he'd put it well. It was time to go. It just was it like. Let's let's. Let's get the context of the time. Yes, there was a lot caused a fifty game season, okay? Maybe Jordan could've gotten healthy by then, and maybe Scottie could have been healthy by then, but Dennis Rodman barely played in the NBA. He was never really the same Scottie Pippen was never really the same, and you saw how hard it was for Jordan and the. At six championship, the idea that a seventh was was possible shore. Was it likely no? This is one of those, are you? Are you somebody who leaves a party fifteen minutes earlier fifteen minutes late, and you know I think. They left it fifteen minutes early. Look Jordan things to this day. If he got shape, you could play in the NBA Jordan never thinks he would lose, so let's not take his word for it. Whether. They could have afforded it. The reality was there did need to be an overhaul of the roster whether needed to be a complete rebuild or not I don't agree that idea, but I I like that came out that Phil was offered an additional year contract I liked. It came out that Jordan, said yeah, I would have I would come back. I don't understand why they didn't get everybody in the room and try and do it all at once. that part is a flaw to. If they really wanted to make it happen, but I don't think the it was a strong likelihood. They would have done it again. The fact that they did have Michael. Jordan and they would have likely had Phil Jackson. If they could could've run it back. Aren't so Scottie Pippen who I covered Portland? I thought it was a good guy and I thought he played hurt a lot. He really he played hard, and he played hurt a lot when I was in Portland. He was on the floor a lot He and Barkley didn't get along, but I think Scotty was a better practice. Player was a little bit more driven Charles was just more talented, and they just oil and water. It didn't work, but he doesn't like the way. He's being viewed in this documentary. He thinks it's unfair. What say you? Mean he's. Hurting Scottie. Pippen is Scottie Pippen in the documentary. You know when he didn't go in against the Knicks because the play was run for Toni Kukoc, all he had to say was hey. Man Twenty six years later I wish. I had gone into the game, and I'm so happy. That Tony Coach made the shot he he wouldn't say it wouldn't say instead. He gave the whole. I should never have. But, if it happened again, I would do it again. Those are your words and on anybody else's words. I thought they tried to paint him as a sympathetic figure about the contract early on when it was his decision to sign that contract, and they didn't paint a clear picture. Jordan was massively underpaid in his until the last two years of his deal when he signed. Those those to you know thirty plus million dollar deals right with exception that Jordan was wildly underpaid because that was the time. Forget Magic Johnson signed a twenty five. Million Dollar. Deal Guy signed up for longevity guy signed up for security. That's what's. They painted him as a sympathetic figure early and late painted him as a warrior playing through injury, playing her back locked up, just went and got it out that this wasn't the director. This wasn't Michael Jordan. The only part that Paints Scottie Pippen in a negative light is. And sometimes you have to live with it, he he's a great player. He was never the the the second best player in the NBA Never Guy. But he was probably the best second player in the history of the NBA he just fit. He got it. He understood he was never a true leader, but he was a great attache. It's like a great vice. President doesn't always make. Man That guy's a great number. Two so executives today are saying. And I think players like to win, so they make it play with Michael today guys like a win. It's NBA guys moved cities and take less money because they want to win. They want to be playing May and June and sort of their shoe companies. They WANNA plan. May and June people say though Kevin. Durant couldn't played them very sensitive. Guy Mike's brutal. Do you buy that? I I agree with the premise. That some would say it would be hard for some to play with Michael Jordan. He challenged guys because he practiced so hard because he was so driven because he was unquestionably the Alpha Kobe Bryant struggled to get free agents to sign with them granted. Context is important Kobe Bryant never wanted to be number two neither did Michael Jordan Bryant skills diminished at a certain point where he had to be a number. Two that would Michael Jordan held on for three years as for Kevin. I disagree like Kevin. Durant issues with. Leaking things to the reporters Kevin Durant. Issues are with guys what he thinks are turning on him. Kevin Ransom ball guy he also. At least this is what he believes. The reason he goes back at people on twitter is because that's how he is with his buddies. They go back and forth. They talk trash to each other, and that's perfect for Michael. Jordan now. I don't know how he would fit in terms of. The confines of an offense and fit in terms of the coaching style of Phil Jackson, but I do think there are certain number of players that would have worked. It's just it's finding the right mix, and that really is maybe the best part that came from the last episode is even Scottie Pippen as? By Jerry Krause and how your cross accident? He admitted like Jerry Krause might be the best GM of all time I would say. Was Jerry West your your previous guest, but but the idea that Jerry West figured out what type of personality is what type of players could not only play for Phil Jackson and can play in the pressure of the NBA finals, but could play alongside Michael Jordan. There's like a psychological tests that he had run, and he found the right mix of guys and I think you could find the right mix of guys if you had 'em if he was empowered, would it be everybody in the League? No. No and also keep in mind one of the one of the ECHO. This sentiment is channing Frye. They'll look channing Frye obviously enjoyed his experience playing with Lebron. James But tyrod didn't game, and by the way quite Leonard had a chance to play with Lebron. James didn't want to Paul George didn't want to. How many guys have we seen? Had the opportunity to go to La and decided not to. It's it's not easy, and and the said I. Don't know if anyone said so. You can credit me with it. If you'd like, you can take it for your own is when Jordan. Jordan lost, and he obviously never lost in the finals, but lost to the magic lost to the Pistons previously when he lost, it was about Michael. Jordan failures whether it's Michael Jordan failing to trust his teammates or the coaches failing to put Michael Jordan. Position when Lebron has lost, remember with the exception of the Mavericks Series which I actually don't think was as much his fault as it's being made out to be when the bronze lost. It's always somebody else's fault. Teammates didn't step up his teammates. Kyrie was hurt kyrie laughter. Kyran Kevin love with were hurt again. Those are accurate. Accurate statements, but when Jordan lost, it was about Jordan accepted responsibility. When the BRA loss. He wouldn't personally say it, but others would echo it. Lebron did all we could, so I I do think that we're looking through it through an unfair lens of someone like channing Frye who loved playing with the Bron James and got it and taking his word for when he never experienced playing for Jordan and all he knows is watching. A documentary is an accurate portrayal, so there's a poll that came out. Seventy three percent of people said. Michael's better than Lebron. Is that surprise you at all? No I. I've always been a a Jordan as the best player. I've ever seen guy that Jordan was the guy that you knew it was coming in? There's nothing you can do to stop it case in point game six NBA finals thousand. Nine Hundred Ninety eight jazz knew it was coming. There's nothing they could do to stop it. On the other hand you and I spoke in this very same setting before the document. Did you really think he was going to have creative control of her documentary that pay him as the greatest player ever? Does that let's do a doc dot your last year, but at the end oil leaves some ambiguity as to how great your all time. It compared to everybody else right? That's not the way it works so not surprising we are. We do on the other hand you know we were were were curious creatures where the last thing we see is the most impressive thing we see and it sucks Lebron. Because he was having a marvelous season, he was leading the Lakers. They just beat the bucks. They just beating the clippers, and if this was properly timed out, it would have been a better debate now. It feels like there's no debate. Maybe we'll see if Lebron can take the Lakers, NBA short and season and win an NBA title, but that'll feel like an asterisk. I I'm not surprised I think he's wired. Wired differently I think he's probably a better all around man but I. think that Michael Jordan's the greatest player ever and the timing of the documentary and everybody watching it, and the painting of the documentary makes it so that it's really hard to find any way to put to put Lebron this point time ahead of Michael Jordan. Yeah, it'd be interesting if it'd be interesting. Joy mentioned it earlier. What if what if the playoffs for going on in the Brown was just tearing it up and he's he's beating the clippers, and then and then I think he'd have a shot. Because I do I do think Doug. If Michael if Lebron could win, a championship with the Lakers wow i. mean it'd be like Brady winning in Tampa and saying I'm GonNa to go to the chargers. It would be the one thing where I think it would give Lebron little momentum and a couple years if he won with the Lakers that. It would split down the middle. There's always going to be the loyalist to MJ but God, if Lebron could win a third championship with a third team boy. Doug. That is you. That is unbelievable in my lifetime, right? No be and I think look. There's an interesting thing here in that. Lebron has always had this kind of stack team since he left Cleveland. The first time I mean what what we forget is when he led the heat. The heat. Nali became a superpower in the east, but the Celtics aged, and then you know kicked out of legs in the Celtics and Ray Allen right the he joined forces with Chris. Bosh at completely debilitated. The Toronto Raptors were both playoff teams championship caliber at least Celtics for championship caliber teams. He took away those two contenders, and then took away Cleveland. Who is the best team the East? When he joined the heat with Dwayne, Wade, so it was like three competitors went away and they all became a super team. The West. He hasn't been able to do that with the clippers, so yes I think it would. It would make much more interesting argument the differences in wiring, though right like I thought that Jordan's desire and ability to take and make the big shot. Even early on his attacker, he had to learn to trust his teammates. Whereas the Braun has always deferred if possible, and then has had to learn to become the dynamic goto score, and even sometimes then he can lose his conscience Jordan never seem to loose confidence. Hey, I have a question for both of you guys this anonymous question. Do! The Pizza Story from one thousand nine Hundred Ninety Seven K. They had twenty three years to come up with why Jordan was sick. The flu game and this is what we're toll gate Michael Jordan. WHO's got to security guys and Tim Grover travel with. Jordan's hungry now. I don't know about you, but if Michael, Jordan hungry everybody's scurries about. Michael, Jordan took. So Michael Jordan picks up the phone and says hey. You're the only pizza place in Salt Lake City. That's open. I'm Michael Jordan bring a pizza and don't just leave it at the front door. I want you to come directly to my room. And then there's four people that come to his room like I. You couldn't come up with a better story and then that's the one pizza that. If, if one security guys got him a pizza and he happened, eat the pizza by the way crushing an entire pizza all by himself also. Hard to believe all of these things like okay I'll go along with a Lotta these stories, but I was born at night not last night well. Do you believe the pizza story why he was sick in game? Five and ninety. Yes, because as somebody who spends a lot of time in Utah it closes really early. And you know there's the old joke about spokane, Washington nothing happens in spokane after ten in the morning. Utah I can absolutely at ten o'clock in Salt Lake City. See Somebody especially in that time now it's a different time now with Uber and deliveries but Everything being closed and saying hey, man, we got you know what I could see him. They knew, but but listen Michael Jordan always did his at his hotels. He stayed under an assumed name. Hey, how did they know George Room how they know the he or the pizza? Why are there four is the delivery like an Tim grover leading us to believe that they knowingly willfully poisonous pizza or simply undercooked meat. What kind of pizza wasn't what kind of pizza? You mean to tell me that Michael? Jordan gets sick in game. Game Five Yeah, and and this is the secret and you don't know the pizza places name. Of course you do like I. Don't I'm sorry I love Michael Jordan I. Believe is the greatest player ever. I don't buy that sort of stairs way too many holes in. That's you had twenty three years. You couldn't come up with a better story. Well, that's why I believe it because you would come up with a better story, and that's not a great story, so that's probably the truth because you've come up with something way. Way slicker than that and it ends up. Being clunky I gotta go Doug Gottlieb. Do you buy I? Buy It joy? For Basketball! I can say I can see twenty years ago at ten thirty at night. Nothing's open and by the way you couldn't be wrong with this. We know that the game was on the game on a Sunday because Salt Lake. City closes down. At least it did when I was a kid and spent a summer there on Sunday. Yeah, we. There was no uber eats. Didn't Tim Grover say he was the one who called for pizzas, so it's not like Michael. Pick up the phone like Hello I'm Michael Jeffrey Jordan I'd like a pizza will you could've called and said Hey, listen man. I. It wouldn't be surprising it also at that time if you're working for. Say Know where they know how motel they're saying so someone order pizza in the middle of the night. Maybe they're all like Oh my God. Maybe we're going to get a chance to deliver this pizza. Michael Jordan How we know, Tim Grover didn't say this, they said listen. We don't deliver pizza and they said it's Michael Jordan. Yeah he goes. Do It's Michael Jordan? It okay and five guys come because they want to look at them. It could have been a pizza place to didn't have. The flu. You have like flu like symptoms for a while. Have you ever had food poisoning before twice? It's brutal. It's a nightmare for Split eight hours as yeah like it's for. The flu is going to linger for a while. Food poisoning a day maybe two and then you're. You're not feeling great, but you're. You're like he gets them fluids any. You'RE GONNA be all right. You'RE NOT GONNA lose a while I remember my first food. Poisoning I ordered a piece of fish in the desert. And, then I learned in the desert or a cow, yeah, I had Turkey Sandwich not going to say from where, but it was in theater in Los Angeles and it was undisputed, so calling out sick is kind of impossible, because you've got to get up at three o'clock in the morning, so it's Kinda hard to find someone to come in is brutal. It's it's bad or joy with news. No turn on the news. This is the heard line news. Anyway I buy it. So Ben Rothlisberger decided that he would not shave his beard until he was able to throw a past one of his teammates again following elbow surgery, she finally have an explanation for that beard, which honestly makes me feel better about the entire situation? I kind of wish. You would have said that from the beginning that I'm not going to shave until I can throw A. A pass to my teammates. Because then at least we would know walking around looking crazy well today he posted a video twitter, reminding everyone on that promise, and he showed a recent throwing session with Judy. Smith Schuster James Connor and Ryan Switzer. Also shows him getting his beard trimmed so he? He's looking normal again and at the very end Juju says he's back. Stay tuned. This is comforting to say I. could not I I got to be on? A, beard. I don't know how guys isn't it Itchy? Points where it it like as it's growing, it starts to get itchy, and and then like once it gets past that point then. It's no long way, is it? She goulet. It's hot. You get used to it and they don't really notice it anymore I. Don't I've never done that though I've never gone full living in the woods for six months weird. I feel better. I'm glad that this is not this moment. Rather Burger is living in and he's. He's throwing and feeling good working with his teammates again. If it's very comforting to see so warriors gm Bob Myers, so that they won their second straight title with Kevin. Durant in two thousand eighteen. There wasn't any joy because winning was what they were expected to do. Katie does not agree in an instagram picture showed Myers. Quote next to team celebrating and he commented comment and said that they looked happy as bleep in that. Katie is Katie is not letting anything. Slide right now, but I kind of I gotTa side with Katie on this on this point like we know that some winning that level is not fun like going to the process of that is not fun. It's supposed to be fun when you are expected to win. There's a certain amount of pressure and expectations on you. That can make the environment not very fun because you know when you're when you're playing from behind. When nobody expects you to do anything, you have a looseness and a freeness energy and the culture and. Everything surrounding your organization because you're the underdog. If you don't win, no one expected you to win. It's OK school. You cool your. I still think. I mean it I. Don't know if it's. Joy I just think there's more pressure. Because there's more pressure that can kind of take away from the fun that you're having. But as Katie said at the at the end when you're the winners, that's that's what the fund is for. I mean everything that we just watched the last dance. It didn't look like fun. This practices look like fun to you know they look very very stressful and a lot of pressure and a lot of yelling and a lot of name calling but at the. The end the champions you're the winners and nobody can ever say anything you again, and then you're happy and I think pressure is vital for life like the idea that I would live a life and never have any pressure. Isn't that kind of like important I? Don't want utopia neither do. I seems like it gives me anxiety to even think about that. You have to have ups and is I. Start Fights with my wife just to make it interesting. To go that far, but this I and you need to have spaces in your life where it's drama free for sure the last weekend. She looked at me. She goes. You're just picking fights today and I'm like yeah. I think I am. Just being just a feisty funny day, she just looked at me and she says I'm about done with you. Know what I told my wife I get home now. At twelve thirty, wife said to me. She said. I signed up for better or worse not for lunch. Go find something to do. That's understandable though, don't you? Miss you a little bit, don't you love me? She was no sign up for lunch. Go get busy. Go play tennis. Go for a walk or something. Finally yesterday NASCAR had their first race since early. March and Kevin Harvick one at Darlington over six point, three million viewers watched on Fox, which was the most watched non Daytona five hundred NASCAR race in over three years, and we've got another race at Darlington. Tonight. Yeah, so goulet NASCAR Fan. I know you're watching that Goulet was betting on it. I was betting on it I also had Kevin Harvick win. That was eight to one so low got lots of the weekend's threat Lug nut locks of the week by Goulet exciting better. goodstuff joy with the news. Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard lie. Our final one. We call it up down sideways. We watched the MJ documentary. It's complete now. Who Do I feel better about? Who Do I feel worse about? and WHO's about the same up down sideways with MJ in the last dance coming up, be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon, eastern nine am Pacific on Fox sports radio s one and the iheartradio APP. Everything going on, people get anxious. Check it out. ANDROID RELAX DOT, com, fifty percent off. DRIVER LIKES DOT COM. It'll chilly out so last dance We watch the last dance. I got to tell you something it was. It was five Mondays of great content. I am really crossing my fingers that I get some more days of content coming up. Baseball worries me a little bit with their labor disharmony. We're trying to get rob Manfred the commissioner baseball on this week. I am very encouraged by what I hear from the Sec College Football Programs Hey I love college football. You GimMe College. Football I'm I'm good. We just need a bridge for about three months for college football, maybe two. I only have so much vacation time I. Need something folks, so we thought we'd been doing this every Monday during the last five weeks that we look and this is our last one. Do we think more or about the same of the stars of this here we go? All right Michael Jordan. Is he trending up down or sideways? He is `perfect, and it was rough on people and occasionally mean, but I think he trends up. The flu game was actually Pizza He said he would have played the following season. You know. He held grudges. He created some. Some grudges that didn't really exist guineas imperfect, but I think. What he, did do. Is that he signalled back to a time where the NBA was really physical and really tough, and I think what you figure out that success is hard. It's not linear. He had obstacles even the final game of his career in in for the Bulls Scottie Pippen's back gives out, and they became really a one dimensional scoring offense is east playing. The Utah Jazz with two Hall of Famers in Utah, which may have been at the time, the toughest place to plan the NBA, even his last win was hard they became a very offensively challenge team in ninety eight, and then when and went belly up physically they were really limited, so he trends up speaking of Pippin Scottie. Pippen trending up down or sideways sideways for me, because I covered him. I thought he was really talented the Best Rodman in league history. Played Hard and. I thought he was I never thought he was a great leader. I don't be was built for that. and there are times it could be moody, temperamental mature. I don't think have been no. I mean I feel like it's it's. It traded mostly as a guide. Tough childhood played hard, played hurt, and at times made some really poor decisions I. think the bad moments were kind of Scotty induced. Rod Zillah. Tennis Rodman, up down or sideways he turns down for me. The more the more I see Rodman the more irritating. He is very self absorbed. At. The Andy Wasn't a great basketball player. He had great moments. It was mostly about Rodman. I just never bail on my team to do that stuff. It's not how I'm built. And by the way I can be selfish, too. I mean it's just I think I. Don't think Rodman's nearly as fascinating as we think. He was young now he is a remarkably great rebounder, and his story is full of obstacles that he's overcome so I, respect him, but for me, not a guy that age is well I. See him as a little needy for my for my taste, a different world right now. Who ww even let a basketball player do that now. It's crazy Steve Kerr up down or sideways. I think just. When you hear the story of his father He's lived an incredible life. I mean good guy player. I like how he saw packs, and then he's like okay. That's going to be my role. I'm going to do the packs enroll. Yeah and I mean. I. Think I liked Michael, reaching out to him like Steve hit big shots, like like Michael, generally had that one guy that wasn't a great player, but was a great big game shooter. Was Paxton first and then it was Kerr so i. want you hear his life story? It's it's you see why he's political. You'll see why stuff matters to him beyond sports. Yeah! Phil Jackson up down, or sideways big up. Michael. I think Michael Jordan's Mom Mike Lynn. Phil Jackson or the big ups. Got Michael the write a poem. To be able to harness. It Jerry, krause and Dennis Rodman than the international player Mike, Lynch Scotty, resented and then Scott. Saying I'm not gonNA have a surgery. During you know in the summer and it was a real balancing a lot of egos and a lot of plates in a lot of drama. I'm not sure joy. I'm not sure any coach in league history can handle that I mean it's unbelievable I. Think fill is one a in this documentary and knowing when it was over just like having the wherewithal to not take the bait for one more one more season I just blown away. I'd love, Gif feel on the show. I know he doesn't like me. He did bump into my wife at a physical therapist and they got along. Really should come on the show I think he'd be great. An unbelievable amount of patience incredible remarks. He has skills I. Don't like his ability to handle Rodman. Just don't have it. I'm not equipped. Jerry Krause trending up down or sideways trending down I. Knew I could almost go sideways. It just just everybody they want. They never won more than thirty games. When that team broke up so the rebuild the brilliant rebuild was a disaster tarred not to in thirty five forty games in the NBA. Just play hard so I still think they should have gone to I think he should have managed it better in Ghana. Michael, and in Fillon said listen. Can I, just we'RE GOING TO LOSE SCOTTIE? Pippen, CA, Scott. He's not gonna stay for the money. Can I move Rodman and get a younger piece again? I think managing. GM's job is to manage egos and manage expectations and I think he did a poor job I do think he had a great eye for talent. He did a lot of good things, but he didn't manage Ya Michael Jordan got to manage. It yet lubricated. You gotta get. Don't make it agitating lubricated. Don't agitate it. How about Jerry REINSDORF turning up down or Up I came in with a very low opinion of him that he was cheap. And Vice of, but you know in the end I found out that he did call Phil Jackson and say you're welcome to come back I'd like to have you come back. Please come back. Please that one a long way with me. So I I again I came with pretty low expectation that he was cheap baseball guy, but I think he came across in this mostly as level headed, which across did not cross look, drudge, holding and petty. Wasn't that wild them showing him showing Michael. The footage of Jerry reinsdorf saying that to the very end. Finally Lebron James up down or sideways well, he's trending down because he's inactive I think if Lebron was playing right now. The fact that Lebron like everybody else watching the greatness of Michael Jordan I think it separated the gap. There was a gap there, but inactivity for Lebron hurts him, and it's not his fault, but I think and I also think the old school Alpha is really attractive. You Know Society's got in. You know a little more finesse remember ten years ago, it was called Metro sexual and guys and evolved, and I I think there is that Alpha thing that a lot of guys like the Chop Wood and be guys, and they don't always want to be evolved sometimes. We just need to go out and have the speed bag and punch it and. Do Dumb stuff. Yeah, we got to feel like a guy sometimes and it's OK. Women feel like a women. We like to feel like guys. Sometimes we're Matt. We're meet heads sometimes. Only, being a meathead. I'm picking fights with my wife I'm a meat head, but sometimes I just got to get that stuff out all right. We're done. We got through Jerry. West was great Doug, gottlieb. Jay Don Dante. Hit it out of the park out of the park. All right for join everybody here. We will be back tomorrow. I'm Jensen carpet. I want you to listen to the new podcast from Shreveport Media iheartradio called the no supports report with Jensen cars. You see I'm a comedy writer. 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Hour 2: Adrian Broner joins

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It's being brought to you by chase. Also, get triple action protection for optimal engine performance which show v power nitro plus premium gasoline any minute now, we'll have on the challenger. For the WBAL two-way crown this Saturday night at the GM, Brandon laws Vegas agent. Bruno will be set to go up against Manny Pacquiao. We're waiting for him to come on the line right now. He's training. He's training. So, you know, I I'm very very particular will boxes from the standpoint. I don't like Messa with it. And they were teens. I don't like mess with anybody else in the sport of boxing along with 'em, a UFC style. People got a licensed, assault you. Okay. So guess what? You gotta let them be who they are. You gotta let them do what they do. And you gotta take him any way you could get them. Anyway. So if you hear Adrian Brune, I heard he was on the treadmill running. So if he's on a treadmill running in interviewing him on a treadmill? I don't give a damn as long as you could hear him. Clearly, don't matter to me, whatever it takes you understand. I hope he don't eat don't custody out like it did outburts Stein. Okay. Okay. The nice, AVI. Of course, you might go off on it doesn't get much nicer than our Bernstein. Okay. Consummate professional covering the sport a of for many many years, by the way. But any of these listen when you're about to fight you got to be in that kind of moat got to be kind of move. You can't be about the business of friendships. Got you gotta do. I totally understand that make no mistake about it. By the way, he is being radio's presented by progressive insurance making it easy to bundle your home and your car insurance, plus with the vivid seats app, it's easy to find awesome seats to any game. Download the app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order it at eight say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven this whenever Adrian Brown is available to come on the show. I will be happy to put him on. He's. Thirty three and four that is his wreck thirty three and three. I'm sorry would one draw. He has never been knocked out. He did get put down by Markos Madonna, but he got up. He lost that fight. That was. That was back in December of two thousand and thirteen. Laws the show import in two thousand fifteen June of two thousand fifteen loss to Mikey Garcia in July of two thousand seventeen. Majority draw against Jesse Vargas last, April so Adrian Brodie. I mean in terms of potentially being a marquee. This fight is incredibly important to him. He loses this fight. He'll probably fall off the mat he wins this fight. It'd be a big difference of all how one of the belts. And Secondly, and more importantly, it will put him in line the face some of the elite dudes in the division. I don't know. Whether it's a rematch with children porter. Whether it's a match against God, Danny Garcia, whether to shot against Keith Thurman, whether his going against aero spins junior, who's my favorite in the welterweight division. There could be potentially a lot options for Adrian. Oh, because if he wins this fight he's a champion. So let's keep that in mind champion belt that many pack out took from Jeff worn. Now from Jeff on. I apologize. But. He just want. I'm sorry. I was somebody was in my LA this gentleman. I got a bit distracted my apologies. Adrian pro wants to come on at approximately thirty minutes past the hour. That's fine. Hopefully, he'll be ready to go adapt particular day and time, by the way, I didn't say Jeff home because a pack ya got robbed at the decision. Jeff one lost at but ended up winning that TKO against Lucas Matisse's DC t say so pack yet won that fight. It's got WB belt and as a result now. He's going to defend it against Adrian Pronin who will be all with us thirty minutes past the hour until then we'll get back to the phones and eighty eight say ESPN edited seven to nine three seven seven six. But before I do that. Scotty pippin. I don't know. I think he was on the jump is that right cat was he on a jump? Yes. He was on the jump with Rachel Nichols. Who bought away did a great job interview and boogie cousins is well, she always this great job. Scotty Pippen was speaking about Zion. Williamson of Duke. And he said something that got my attention. And I just can't avoid talking about it. I have to address it. I'm not doing my job if I chose to if I chose to ignore this. So let me just get right into it. Please play what Scottie Pippen said about Zion. Williamson please definitely going to be the number one pick. I mean, I think he's done enough for basketball college basketball that is more important personally now, and I think for him as a young player that I would show the down. Let me let me let me actually I would stop playing. I feel that he could risk a major injury that could really hurt his career football players are doing it. Why not the college football players are skipping a bowl games. And they're getting ready to come by. If I was him. I know him. At least three NBA pick. I'm out of his time. So down. That was Tracy McGrady in background talking to Rachel Nichols as well. I know that voice. Great Scottie Pippen, and Tracy McGrady should be ashamed of themselves ashamed that himselves now say that affectionately because I got love for both brothers Scottie. Pippen's the six time world champion. Okay. Michael Jordan doesn't win six chips without Scottie Pippin, the great Scottie Pippen. I usually am deferential and Tracy McGrady. That's my brother love him dearly. Okay. But they know me I could get on them affectionately and still have love for them. How can you say, especially you? Scotty pippin. Y'all Cade say that tries to you can't say that. I have no problem with them saying out of Duke who is elite big time and the whole none. I have no problem with them saying that if you're talking about a season before it starts you can't encourage a kid to ignore his team and quit in the middle of a damn season where you are in pursuit of a national championship. Because you wanna get the pro money if way of saying had decided as a high schooler that he was coming to the NBA. He would have been a first round pick. He might not have gone number one overall. But he definitely would have been a half first round pick in this in the last year's NBA draft. You can't encourage a kid. You can't talk about a teen. You can't talk about chemistry. You can't talk about the importance of being one unit like minded with the agenda of capture and championships and turn around and encourage a kid in the middle of the season to quit. You can't do that. You can't do that. Ziya? Where's that now? Play jet. And they were saying sit out that's different was Scotty Pippin said he shut it down. Like now. We're not hurt. And it's been on the court bullet, the only injuries was a it off. That's it. You're telling me that a kid. That's healthy is ready to play ball whenever dukes next game is because I don't have this on the front of me. Dude as absent better than twenty due to as dropping thirty five in a loss to Syracuse. Tell the night. Playing for Duke, which was ranked number one in the nation at the time, which is clearly a pursuit of a national championship. You're trying to tell me that a champion six time champion who understands what team is all about and a hall of fame Tracy McGrady with literally sit up there, and it covers the due to just walk away from their team and quit and the middle of the season. In the middle of the season. I don't understand this. I mean, great great job on a jump. You said something that's gone, folks. Attention. We always appreciate Rachel Nichols. Bringing folks on that'll do that. But thank the heavenly father that I wasn't in studio with Tracy McGrady and Scottie Pippen when they said that. They might they might have decided to take the jump off the air with the stuff on my to set to those brothers. Not brothers love them both. But you can't do that. You can't do that. Now in the middle of the season. Completely healthy. Nothing wrong with them physically bulling ready to go, and you would encourage him to just walk away and quit on his team. To enjoy doesn't get injured. Will have nothing wrong with him. But champion six times over one of the fifty greatest players to ever play the game. One of the greatest defensive players we've ever seen in the history of basketball being co signed ball hall of Famer and one of the prolific play went healthy. We had ever seen in a game it Tracy McGrady with cosigner dude quitting on his team. And a middle of the season. You can't do that. You can't do that. I can't believe Scott, even and Tracy McGrady said or Scottie Pippen Senate, and Tracy McGrady goes on it. I can't believe I can't believe I can't believe. Walter to allow Stephen eight what's up. Stephen a talk to me. Hey, I'm disappointed in you, man. You said you give the nets enough credit? And today show. He didn't even mention the nets winning against Houston. I did mention them off I take and I brought him up at the top of my show. That's a lie. Let me finish. No. No. No. No, no. You don't get to finish lies. That's not true. I mentioned I'm more. I take and I mentioned them all radio near the top of the show today. That's false. We didn't talk about them with hitting the three pointers to bring that back out a regulation. That's not the point. I mentioned the Brooklyn nets and how much better I thought they were than I thought they would be at the beginning of the season. I mentioned heart and drop a fifty eight but Brooklyn beat them and Brooklyn's a damn good team. That's gonna make some noise watch out for them. That's what I said. Individually didn't say. So in other words, you want to edit my show and tell me what I'm supposed to do individually not mention Dinwiddie yesterday that I mentioned him last week. Like Steph curry did. So do it continuously. It's not about the three shots like Steph curry does that Steph curry is made a career of doing this. Let's see what kind of careers Spencer Dinwiddie has. I understand that that I'm talking about specifically that may make another point don't tell me what to do on my radio show. I'll say what the hell I want to say how I want to say, and I will include an MIT what I want. But I did mention them. What are the point? I'm just saying I just hope you give more credit to the individuals on the net. Goodbye. And they have a nice day. Bye. You gonna call more visual? I sat up here. What show in America? Do you see talking about the Brooklyn nets spent then they're half hour on them yesterday? Shut the hell up. You just wanted to call up and wine. So you could go back and say the folk hook will. Real you. So to warn shallow up go to the next. Call Eddie you lava Stephen what's up. Hey, thanks for taking the call. Yup. On the call and see what you think about possibly Kyrie Irving going to play with LeBron away. I think it's highly unlikely but still possible. All right. And then you for us. Do you think there's any possibility that a Jalen hurts possibly win the Heisman over to this year? No. I don't think the Jalen hurts is a good thrower. I'm very proud of what I saw him do against Georgia. I know he was working hard during the season on his mechanics and improving upon that. I think he has tremendous potential tremendous athlete. I think Oklahoma is going to win some games with him behind center. No question about it. But I don't think he's a thrower of the football that too is. And so I don't see that happening now. Thank you. Let's go to Darius. Allow Stephen talked me Darris. Hey, even low communist refers time caller. I'm just going with Tracy McGrady and Saudi tip. I agree with it. Because look at the other sports like all in tennis and hockey. Both folks are going pro at fifteen sixteen seventeen. I right there star star star. Stop see you misconstrue my point. You don't listen what I say was no problem with this gestion at the beginning of a season before anybody's played. I'm saying if you're in the middle of seizing you've been a part of the lineup you're not injured, and you just say, all right? I'm quitting on the team while in pursuit of a national championship. You can't do that. For you got injured. You got injured then you don't wanna come back and risk further injury. That makes sense or you don't want to risk injury at all. So you refuse to play at all this season. That's different. But once the coaches asserted you into the lineup, and he's game planned with you in mind, and he's determined as rotation and all other things that come with it. You can't just quit on the team in the middle of a season. When you're one hundred percent healthy. You can't do that. Or it Kelly Bryant did that with women. No, he did not know he did not Davos winning. They decision to go with Trevor Lawrence and recognize that he had to make the decision at the time to make the decision because you were talking about eligibility issues with Kelly, Brian. And so as a result not wanting to compromise the kid in any way, you made a decision when you had to make decision to do what was best for your program and to preserve the eligibility for Kelly. Brian that wasn't Kelly. Bryant quitting on the team Kelly. Bryant been demoted he wasn't playing. So williams. Thought in a key component at a Duke blue devils the pursuit of a national championship. You can't compare to. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Let's go to Joe you lava Stephen. Yes, I'm here. You live on the air. Go ahead. Are you doing my big plan on the show? Mike, you go ahead. I really wanted to call you about the Bronco that design William you ain't talking about Joey both about who Joey Bosa your what about both because the whole euro say what Nick Volks you talking about. Nick, bolsa, Nick wells. But what I'm saying that you did you just say the whole year. Well, now, he could would you usually play with guns. No, no, no, no. You don't understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that you you're talking about the player I'm talking about champion and hall of famous suggesting that the player should just quit. That's what I'm talking about. So yeah. Yeah. What's my name brother who you ought to play with? I know what I. I know what I am. No what I say. I know in our stay about what I say. I'm not talking about thion Williamson, I'm talking about champions like Scotty Pippin hall of famers, like Tracy McGrady. So just in the showed. There's there's wisdom wants to quit on this team to make sure he preserves his health. So he can get his money. All right to each his own. You got your own family issues, only, you know, what they are respect that. But a champion and a hall of Famer can't suggest is what you should do in the middle of the season. What about Colleen what about him? He could be your. Oh my God. Are you having a difficult time comprehend in English? I specifically just said I'm not talking about the player. I'm talking about someone suggesting the players should. I would say about I'm talking about a Scotty Pippen said he showed Tracy McGrady city show that's different than Cario Zion. Somebody actually doing it that's their life. But you as a commentator pundit who played the sport who want championships who understand what's required who understands what comes with greatness. You would suggest he should quit in the middle of the season. You can't talk about team. No more than think about this. Let me put it to you this way. And we all this all fun because I love Scottie Pippen was a good brother and a great champion. And we don't even want to tell you how close I am with Tracy McGrady. That's my man. So we just talk a basketball ain't no. But love for them. But let me break it down to you this way. Joe think about it. Like this think about it like this. Scotty Pippen could say Zion. We've since you quit, right? And just go pro every reserve talk to go pro right in the middle of the season. How could he say anything about any player being dysfunctional? If you okay that. And then we ended the way the guy. Why not what is it? Not it. Tell me when a commentator suggested somebody should quit in the middle of the season. Got nobody does that. Nobody does that you get hurt. You might not come back because it's too risky because one hundred percent healthy. And you got hurt all before the season. You make a decision not to come. But you one hundred percent healthy dropping thirty five and a college basketball game duck in on everybody every chance you get being one hundred percent healthy. And just say, you know, what I don't feel like playing no more the hell with the national championship pursuit. I'll go till out a way for the NBA draft who's done that who. Come on man, you know, better than that. You can't condone that. Could we own it? You can never say anything about anybody else. I we want to call them by John Elway. My why everybody what about why is everybody? Everybody's owns Jones. Right. Everybody say you soon be too GM. John Elway didn't fail o-over. Oh. Oh, right there Saturday John away has not done a good job as of late evidence. Peyton Manning left. They've done nothing. But. But who got paid into come to Denver? Tabulate Tom who got paid man in the come to work with me here? Just answer the question. I don't need to the peanut gallery. Two extra the extra stuff. Just answer. The question who got payment and come to Denver? Of course, always. Okay. Did they want a Super Bowl when he got here? All right. Was the last time the Cowboys won Super Bowl? We talk about the cattleman. I'm just saying you say everybody getting on somebody else. Jerry Jones, you brought up Jerry Jones, when's the last hundred dollars. Cowboys won the SuperBowl. Twenty five how many playoff games that? They were in the last twenty five years time, we have to lose fees. I'm here. When's it asked to my question? When's the last time the Dallas Cowboys won the Super Bowl, and how many how many playoff wins? Do they have in in in the last twenty five years three? All right. Here's one question. How many wins in the postseason? Does it? Take to win the Super Bowl. At least three so no at least three so at least three ways that you have. So what I'm trying to say is in one year of winning the Super Bowl and another year of going to the Super Bowl when they lost the Seattle, that's at least five playoff victories. That's still to more than Jerry Jones had last twenty five years. Why are you bringing John Elway his name up in the same sense as Jerry Jones only cry through the pain? Bill. You're Brock Osweiler. Right. I I agree with you that John Elway has struggled. All I'm getting on. You about is for mentioning him in the same breath as Jerry Jones. That's all they have a nice day at an eight say ESPN, eight seven to nine three seven seven six. Let's listen. Thirty minutes past the hour Adrian bona in pursuit of the WB crown of against many Paki out this Saturday night at the GM grant in Las Vegas, Nevada. He'll be on the show with us. So he says we hope that he will be until then Stephen A ESPN radio ESPN news right away. Gentlemen. Stopped lounging around be active. Take your girl out go to a game more concert get tickets to something. Plus the players are upon us. And the time is now to jump on those tickets for your ticket needs look, no further than vivid seats deficient department of ESPN dot com and enter promo code ESPN to get ten percent off your first order get out. Go having experience fellas get to the game and use what I use it's vivid seats once again Adrian Brodie up next don't touch that. Dial Stephen is radio. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let them stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in its hockey skates. He practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven Pete realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of the NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Saturday night January nineteenth the UFC debuts on ESPN. Plus with a true super fight champion versus champion bantamweight title. Hold a T J dillashaw drops to the flyweight division to face the king of the one hundred and twenty five pound division. Henry Suharto live on ESPN. Plus at ten pm eastern. Coverage of the prelims starts on the ESPN at eight pm eastern, by the way, start your free trial of ESPN plus today. Download the ESPN app to get the best of UFC on ESPN. Plus, I'm hoping my next guest challenging Manny Pacquiao for the WB welterweight crown the one and only Adrian Bruneau are you there? My man. Hey, what's going on, man? How you doing wondering? Why you ain't here? Let me tell you. I'm I'm not there because they got me working pro. I got I gotta work radio. I gotta work television. Listen as much as I love boxing. I don't get to get to too many five to Floyd fights my talk rear. I went to a heavyweight match with wilder and. Call you out. You know, have a call you. Gotta call you. If you would be here. That's not true. That's not true. It depends on where he's fight because let me tell you something Audrey burden on a bunch of this plenty of fights in-shore for Floyd. That's not true. I swear to you. It's not true. What what what are you saying? There's not a big fight. Well, you know, what you know, what I'm going to tell you this agency says we want to talk you like interviewing me, I don't mind answering these questions actually love it. Let me tell you. I think I actually want you to win this fight, man. I want you know. No, no, no. Not be here. I didn't have to bring your name yesterday. I brought her name up because you wouldn't fair. And I thought Greg your name we're going going to make you know what? All right. I'm going to go there. And I'm gonna interview that I do let me tell you something. I can I can I make a razors. This your win this fight. Will you want me to come in? How about that? How about that? Because Adrian granola. You know what we don't win? And I'm coming to LA, and we're gonna do it there. Browser that edge, bro. I mean, we take to show most of the time. We do the show live rather most of the time in New York. But sometimes we do it in L A. But I'm going to ask you this question. You ready for this fight? Are you ready to take out Manny prac? Yup. Is the elephant heavy Justice. Now, that's not that's not answering my question because Adrian when when when we look at you, listen, you, listen, you're thirty three and three for crying. I like you've never been knocked out give you mad credit for that. But the three losses since one could argue you shouldn't have lost any of those fights. You shouldn't have lost Mikey Garcia. You shouldn't have lost Markle's but done you compete those gods. So there's been questioned. All right. So so why did you lose those fights and wash it we believe you're going to be back you out of Saturday? I'll answer those questions when we do a personal interview poem on there. We go. Right now, I'm focused on many pack yelling. I will beat many Pecci out Saturday. Like, how do you know what other questions as those questions up? And that's fair. That's fair. I can understand that tell me why you're gonna be mad. So let's stick to many pack you out in. All right. Why are you going to be many pack out Saturday night? What? Because honestly, he does not a better fighter than he. He's not he's not blessing. What what what God gifted with and everybody. No one hundred percent Adrian broader is undefeated stays undefeated. But. I'm not mad about you know, my losses. You know? They made me who I am the day. So you know, they night that will be another turn to my chapter in my book, and I will be taking over the sport of boxes. Now. Are you are different Adria Bronner is this somebody? That's just ready for this fight. Or are you a new man you've been to a lot, and I'm not gonna chronicle all of that? We only got a minimal amount of time. It will save for that face to face when we have that one day in the near future. But are you a different Adrian Brodie a period, or is it just going to be a different fighter that shows up Saturday night? No, no, no. This is being AB going to say series, man. Like, I said before it is the second half of my career. If I don't do it. Nobody going to do it. If I don't nobody's gonna help me. So you know, I gotta make this happen. We had enough plant. We we did enough planning our career, you know, it's time to fight serious question in all seriousness map because because obviously I'm hoping that you will. But here's the deal. You know, there there were stories with that was talking about how you was as such a depressed state that you contemplate, and they point to tweets crying out loud. This is this is months ago, obviously, where you actually contemplated committing suicide because of the folks walking away from you folks, not believing in you folks, abandoning ship after a loss here, they're, you know, obviously, some of the legal troubles that you got into are you beyond all of that. Are you totally ready and that stuff is in the past? And you're in a better place today more so than ever before. At the movie. And I think it was so January nineteen like I said before after the fight. I'm I'm definitely coming to get the win. I'm going to get the win. I'm gonna do whatever. I gotta do to get the victories. And then I gotta meet up to you. I don't care if you let your your friend house, your best friend. How people do the interview. All right. That's no problem. But let me ask you this also because when people talking about you in the latest fight they're saying you don't throw enough punches. You do understand this as many pack. Yeah. You're going to get you're gonna have to throw put just to win this fight Adrian. But in about a lot of punches about doing the right punches, and we've seen we think that putting your con-, you know, he got plenty along. He got more losses than me. So so we're not gonna just make things like I'm fighting. I'm fighting God it the person who don't make mistakes. Right. We're we're fight many pack. You out the person who got knocked out three times flatlined every time. He got multiple losses. I it's not it's not a mystery that he can lose. Well, definitely take many prac. You could lose it. I definitely through particularly considering a counterpuncher that you are. I definitely think that you gotta damn great shot. My issue is is that again if you're not throwing enough punches. And let's say, for example, it goes to the scorecards you might find yourself on a short end of the stick again, just because you was an active enough and the judges don't give you an acquaintance. They've said that about you and losses in a couple of fights that you just did. I'm gonna take that. I worked my hip. And I won't put on the show. Jay wright. Okay. Are you predicting a knockout on a decision? It's the opposite to self. I'm taking it. Okay. And what do you expect a Manny Pacquiao to throw it? Right now, they throwing the book at me. But right now, I'm I'm so I'm so in shape, I feel so good. If it was a rain storm in Iran in and are coming in dry. Your broder. Good luck Saturday night. I will be watching. I can promise you that. Thanks a lot, bro. Thank you. We'll talk. Adrienne Brown challenging many pack for the WB crown right here with Steven A ESPN radio. ESPN news editor they'd say ESPN. It's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six look. We can't excuse everything that we've heard and seen for major Brown. And again, he was running on his treadmill and all that stuff. He say going to answer any question because he's like if it was Floyd there, you'd have been there, actually, I've only been to Floyd fights in my career when he fought Manny pack. Yeah. And when he fought. Conor mcgregor? 'cause those were I didn't go to him when he didn't go to the Floyd fight when he fought Bertel actually three because I did go to see him against Arturo gatty more than a decade ago. God rest his soul gatty because that fight was right in the city. But I didn't go see Florida. Oscar, I didn't go see Floyd again. It's almost against almost anybody else. I saw three fights geddy pack Yao and Conor McGregor. That's it. That's it. Now, he's there Mike Tyson. So by that had been different because I love you guys. But getting back to Asia rohnert, look, this guy's got a who's who's what's list of legal issues domestic violence, aggravated robbery weapons case against him beat up a man over a gambling dispute failed to appear court one time another time appeared in court late and drunk and got thrown in jail by the judge because of that. I mean, everywhere you turn it in the two thousand sixteen admitted he contemplated suicide. What a string of disturbing post on social media. But here's the deal the fight game. Here's what the reality is people look at Brana and they look at him as wasted talent. Because he's a big Tom talent that doesn't utilize all of his talents to you know, his capabilities. It's not throwing enough punches doesn't appear to be focused enough. Not always shaped that kind of thing. And they've lamented that, but the reality is that if Adrian Brana was focused. His skill set that he possesses is the period enough to most where you look at the three time champion, a former three time champion in three different weight, classes, you look at him. And you say guess what he can do some things whereas Manny Pacquiao is widely recognized somebody who's lost step who isn't what it used to be. But he's still beloved. So we shall see it at eight say ESPN editing seven to nine three seven seven six. No one ever goes out of style. Surprising, especially friend, a loved one. With twenty four multicolored roses for twenty nine ninety nine for one eight hundred flowers dot com to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Your calls to close out the show in a minute. You listen live, Stephen ESPN radio. ESPN news. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen swift show podcast made it. If you missed any of the show today, you can go and check it out on demand in the Stephen A podcast brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all of the purchases. Hey, hey, what's in your wallet? Always was envious of Samuel Jackson those Capital One commercials. Oh is that imagined myself? Hey, what's in your kind of like that back to the phones, we go it at eight say ESPN, let's go to Jordan, and you lava Stephen was Georgia. Hey, what's up good afternoon to you? I got a comment on Kyrie Irving, not Doug that into the ground. So I know he's apologized the Baronne but after going from Cleveland to Boston, even though the Celtics are in a better spot. What Cleveland is now two part question. Do you feel? He's having second thoughts on how things are turning out with injuries young talent visible frustration on the no, I think the second. I think his second thought was in regards to how unreceptive he was to what LeBron James was trying to do. And now that he's faced with the similar challenge. And he's got guys griping at him the way he may have felt he was griping LeBron. He's a bit more sensitive and understanding of what LeBron had to endure. I think that he was being honest about that. Yeah. Especially with him only being you know, an average of three years older than a lot of the people on the team second part of that was do you feel behind closed doors that he's won over Boston? And do you feel? He's won over that team. I mean that's much. Boston loves him. No question about it. But also understand why if both didn't have him they probably would have kept as Thomas, and you would have gave Ozzy at Thomas who's now making two million a year two million rather for this one year deal in Denver. You would have given Isaiah Thomas but hundred and fifty million minimal. That kinda relieved and that's not the knock Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas last time. He was held. He was average at twenty eight point nine a game. The problem is that is it Thomas hasn't been healthy over the last couple of seasons. That's been his challenge. Here's Cleveland fan. And I've been following them for a long time. I just I like. I got I got I'm on. I'm on a tight spot. You know, you giving me sentimental feelings. I got it. But I gotta go. Appreciate it. Marsha you live Steve and they would up. Hey, how's it going more breaking the call? Why do you think Dwayne Haskins is projected to go earlier in the draft? And Kyle Mary why is bigger bigger? And the Wayne has because there's a ball and the lead in Ohio State the things that he can do the versatility. They say he can make professional throws. He can run with the football. He's got better size on him as well. And he comes from an elite program. I think that's the reason why I gotta run. I appreciate it. Troy real quick. You've got thirty seconds. Go. Yes, I'm Yarbrough. I just want to say about the Paki outside. I mean rar your father live west. But when you call them, Madonna, you got beat up. You're not a champion. You've gotta do your thing. Make sure you handle your thing. When you go in there and fight back. Yeah. He's left handed like me. Brian. You're going to get knocked out Paki out his ass. Real quick. 'cause I gotta run you're predicting that. Yeah. I was going to knock out Brunner. Is that what you're predicting predicting? I'll take get back y'all. All right. I got you you predicting the pack. I was gonna knock out, bro. I understand. I got it got to get on outta here. Thank you off. Joining the show today talked about Korea, LeBron NBA interviewed Adrian, Brodie, etc. Etc. But I'll be back in twenty two hours until then piece of love. Everybody's Stephen as sano grass. Just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN app.

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Harden leads Rockets again

"Today is opening tip quite eavesdropping on Kyle Lowry the murderers conversation last night. Do you think wants another groman? Scotty. Maybe. I have it on good at thority that he's got dispensing nice quality friendships together. Download antonio. Scare you go solve friendly. Wasn't job. I'm Rachel Nichols. Alongside our insider. I mean, I'll Hassen Andy great Scottie Pippen's six time NBA champion hall of Famer, you know, all about all the stuff that he is able to do coming up is everything cool between pop and Kawai after his former coach defended him last night. We're going to get into all that. But I, you know, we're gonna talk about the other games. Don't talk about it be about it. That is one of my favorite expressions in sports in the twenty four seven media tornado. We all live in. There is plenty of opportunity for talk and more talk more talk. And yet when sports especially basketball is at its best is when someone slices through all that conversation and just does the damn thing. And that is exactly what James harden did last night period. I can list all the stats numbers. How he led the rockets back from the abyss of a twenty point deficit against the two time defending champion warriors in their building against their best players. Just like he has brought the rockets back from the abyss of disaster season. I bring up this was his fifth forty plus game in a row a streak only, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have topped or that. It was his ninth straight game with thirty five points or more something no one else, not even those to have accomplished ever or I can just show you. Yes. The shot, and we're not. Gonna play it for you at regular speed. Because that does a disservice to just how difficult eighteen James harden pulled off here instead, please come along walk through it slowly with me. And please note the time left on the clock and the score. And please note that Klay Thompson is the excellent defender. He crosses there. And that even once PJ Tucker sets the screen, please note, former defensive player of the year, Draymond green closing in fast. Please note hardens still nearly thirty feet from the hoop and when he releases a ball that everyone in the arena though league and a country knew he was about to shoot. The he is not even fully on balances. He goes up and not at all on balance as he falls down. Please note that by the time the ball rattle through the hoop. There was just second left in overtime. And please note that is hard is getting up from the floor. Having just one of the most clutch moments of this career dream on wisdom. Epic trash talk, which I think is kind of like giving Thomas Edison, a lesson on how electric. Ity works anyway spinally when it was all over. Yeah. Those two he's holding up the number two. And yes sure looks like you said two time MVP, which brings me back to the whole talk thing James harden has been doing a lot of talk in this past week or so he said by the time he retired he intends to quote, be mentioned is one of the best basketball players to ever touch basketball twice in three days. He said he intends to repeat MVP saying, quote, I need it. I need it for sure. And I'm going to get it. He's also answered all the talk about how his numbers are inflated by how many points he's able to collect the line saying, quote, stop fouling. It's simple. And he added even more a little talk last night's take a listen to this. Talk about so much defiles and not of actual the greatness, and what I'm really doing out there on the court. So we need to focus on the greatness together is an interesting approach for a player who has never wanna title only been to the finals once and even then not as a starter. I'm not a rings girl. But I do think if you want to put yourself in the category of greatness or greatest ever conversations do actually have to show you can put your money where your mouth is at the most keen most high pressure most high stakes moments and last night was just a regular season game, of course, but for the regular season it was as close to as it gets considering the time and place the opponent. The rescue job harden is pulling off with his own team the degree of difficulty of that shot itself. And James harden went out and did it and that counts for a tremendous amount in any conversation. You want to have so Scotty James might be one of the most polarizing players in the league. And. Get fans, I know the players amongst themselves have wide birth of opinions on him. So after what he is done in the past month is he starting to win even his biggest haters over. He's been a winner the whole time. I mean, James harden is the best one on one player in the NBA. I mean, the fact that he's such a difficult guard the fact that he makes other players better. I mean, he's made Capello one of the most valuable beaks in the game off -fensive skills fact that he's taught him how the grace to the rim. How slip when pickers try to double team him? He's he's very efficient. And I felt like last night game. He sort of pulled Golden State into China play his style of play. And again, he's the best one on one player in the game. Not a not a high praise coming from. You not not statement. There's a lot of exaggeration with people trying to point out things they tend to exaggerate the winds of happened is exaggerating takes over reality. So yes, he draws a lot of thousands. Yes. Free. Throw shooting is not fun to watch. But to make it seem like he scored forty points a game on forty free throws, which is what the conversation sounds like look ahead of this game is stuff like this step Bax and crossing the type of place that we ve usually value as just as viewers, but because he gets more often than anyone else. We kind of twist that into all he does shoot free throws, which is ridiculous. And so like, Scott, he said, look, she's been great and let me see this number right here and beyond that he also has the record for most points accounted for by one player in entire season two points in this. So he's a very successful player. I don't know. People will going to hate them. They're not going to watch last night and change their mind because they're all going to focus on the certain things that they don't like about them. But it's this has been true for the last three or four years, really. The we've to discuss the controversial play also. Warriors the to lead before hardens game winner. So Katie is let's just call it out of bounds. Four or five still rate, the the officials missed it. Now the recommended appointing. So I don't know. Are you guys? Ok that. Also, what are you? Okay with this play because I think that officials should be held accountable for this. I mean, you can't reward these officials and see them in the in the playoffs. I don't wanna see them into polcies because your your mindset is not on your job. You must be a fan of the warriors. I mean, if you know what Katie Ford still auto box right fan of the Golden State Warriors head on that play. He didn't turn his head. We saw him look and right in the corner. Right. The here's the deal being a reference heart. I get it. There's a lot of bang bang plays. A lot of plays that we sit at home 'cause we have slow MO, and of course, he was out of bounds. But this right here live action. We're not slowing down. Anyone in the building looking nose? He's out about James pointing after that. He's the whole time. It's like what what he spent more time out of bounds than he did inbound on the playwright there. Yes. So for the rep to get any part of that wolf he literally had to been like looking at someone in the crowd that about whether his oven was still on at home. He had not like his eyes were open. But he's not looking. All right. So here's why you guys always give me a hard time. When I say, I like the two last two minute report when that report comes out today. The NBA will come out and say we made a mistake. He deserves. Wouldn't you rather be part of a league that says? Oh, yeah. That was a screw up as opposed to some other leagues that are like, it's it's not ever mind. Sooner report because I feel like a lot of times it's unnecesarily putting people on blast for the type of bang bang plays as it looked it's hard. Sometimes you get wrong that needs to get put on blast dude's name needs to be he needs the pool reporter should've been go. What were you looking at what we do? I think it goes beyond that because as a player on the basketball court, and you see this like you wanna go go tin this this show. Right. Like, you didn't see that like come on this. This is unbelievable. Looking at unbelievable. Well, here's the thing on made a mistake yet. At least one of those know there's there's nothing even everybody is fortunate moving us as fans this did not decide the game. Because can you imagine that game was so good? Can you imagine? The warriors had one and we keep talking about a hamstring away from last year's playoffs. It would have been like three outbound steps away is good that they didn't win the game. Because the Lee would really helm. We'd have to all have jumped. Logos of our mouths today. You say I would. The warriors side of things because tops and save it for the commercial break Thomson said the warriors gave the win away with a comfortable lead, they relaxed late, and they laughed a killer. Instinct to study we've been talking in. You're the one that we want to talk to about when you are part of a dynasty and you'll going back to the finals every year. I get it is so easy to just be like it's a game in January. I don't care. But if you keep not practicing stuff that you will need in the playoffs like a killer. Instinct, you think that is going to catch up with them? I think it will catch up, but I don't think it should be Jonas on last night's game. Whiteclay said that Bank 'cause you play one of the best teams in the league. And it wasn't about the killings thing. It was about you close the game out and is really to me about their past personnel. I don't think that they have the personnel that they need to be dominant. As we've seen in years past. We've seen them have bogut. We've seen them have javale McGee. You look at those two players. They are seven footers speed on the court intern. I'm so running direct line to the rim. The Golden State Warriors don't have that guy in the more that guy made Steph curry game, very valuable to me. It also make Klay Thompson game very valuable because now you got two great shooters coming off, and you pretty much got two defenders that are going to close out to them, and they got seven foot rim run run into the rim. They don't have that peace and that causes them. A lot is forced they're shooting percentage because they're not getting easy baskets anymore. Is we watch for years clay driving the lane getting layups that's not happening now because they don't have that seven foot guy wanting to the rim and everybody is getting better teams. Getting better teams of starting to close the gap on them. So last night's game two to me was really not about them closing out. It was about the Houston Rockets are showing that they can score the basketball as well as they can. Yeah. Didn't this one and we give hardened credit for putting amazing? Capelli you mentioned at the top of the show Capella had a rockstar game night. Right. Gordon started hitting in the third in in the third quarter in the fourth quarter. The rockets weren't making their threes the first half, and then they made them in the second half. And as you said, that's a credit them right shooting. Even even when you have a disastrous game seven, but the other part of this is a hope I'm wrong, but serious disease of me with the warriors really get serious vibes that agenda that was in place three years ago four years ago, even to even last year has changed into an individual agendas. Lot of grumpy grumbling grumbling complaining complaining complaining that and dictionary where we're gonna add that to Paul Pierce dictionary. Yeah. I I just I got a bad since I got a bad feeling about any evidence for this bad feeling about this strength in numbers, then and I think what we're seeing now is instead of the five fingers closed fist to the strength. In numbers. You see in five fingers to do their own thing for their own different reasons. I do think the habits or thing we've talked all certainly last season. But even this season before about the Cleveland Cavaliers and defensive just sort of giving up that they were doing and not rotating all really basic defensive principles. They weren't practicing during the regular season. And sure enough during the NBA finals, and again, I'm not even talking about the most recent one because it was a whole bunch of bag of issues, but the one before it they suddenly had to play defense, and they weren't doing the things they couldn't they couldn't just stamp their new the things that they hadn't been doing all season. So I get it. And you've said here a lot and talked about how when you're in one of these dynasty teams. It is hard to get motivated during the regular season. But these are bad habits to some degree and teams like the rackets are going to keep coming. I look this up while you're giving your answer in both of you three Petes in the third year. You guys won the least amount of games out of the other three championship years. And so that's part of it is just part of injuries. You can throw in there. But yes as a team, you do get a little bit laidback during the regular season, and you get a little bit complacent, but that's part of winning because you know, what the ultimate goal is. And it's just about getting there again can't spend all the few China win regular season fans, of course, will answer back at this whole segment and going yes in Scotty won a title in both of those third years of those three Petes, and they think they will too that that is the answer until someone beats them coming up while Leonard booed early and often last night in his return to San Antonio after the game he played he blamed the medium where his with the Spurs is that fair we will try to be there in answering that it is time for our distant replay. It's this date in. Nineteen ninety eight rookie metering. No allen. Anthea Ratliff the awfulness from the mop Lewis. That's his name is the office from Irish. Operas iverson. I wanna see let's let's give a little role. Taken off over there by he can. Yes. Say philadel-, Drake. You. American Allen Iverson. But you got your rhythm going down. Maker MS leave. Good make in courage and the third hard hits death back on clay. Gives them a little slap on the back side there because you know, you wanna encourage guys you don't wanna really leave them to disappoint. You know, if you've demoralized them. And then you want them back up study. Let me tell you this is that this is not nearly as disrespectful is getting dropped. And then the person looking at you for a little bit. And then they think that's good. That's just good deed. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I think the stall. This topping ball. You'll get you'll get on the break. Watch the difference by buddy healed so ours is this. Say business decision. That's what it should be. That's the nickname. Decision. We're still we're still not completely sold on the matador nickname over here. Scottie for dodge. So I think we're just trying it out on another. Get out the way make. Thinking of the nuggets, overcoming a double digit deficit Sacramento. Thanks to Jamal Murray's thirty four second half points. What do you like at Murray? Oh, so much more grosses this year, but he's still pretty inconsistent. But he's coming around Denver's team worse. Like, man, I don't know how to describe it Yokich his is elite. But everyone else really good to be number one in the west season. Yes, I did. I said it's because it's a roster of really good players as opposed to a bunch of the jazz to finish. Number one is pick the nuggets ripping on the nuggets being consistent. Anyway, about minutes. Lakes. Austin rivers coming big for the rockets last night. He scored eighteen points, including some very big shots down the stretch rockets are five and oh since he's signed Scotty, do we need to rethink Austin very river. But to look at this is a good fit for him because hardened plays a lot like CPI three. So he's used to playing on the ball off the ball of it offensively. So it's it's been a great fit form. And I'm having seen playing well with him. I am of course, interested in what happens when Chris comes back. I mean what happens if they're not five. No, and sort of you know, awesome was talking a lot of talk last night. So we know what happens for each make acrobatics. Demar, Rosa notching his first career triple double last night versus the raptors. Which is still strange sentenced to say, do you think this like helped him workout exercise, some of those demons goals loved it? But if you ask them to go back in time, would you rather still be a rapper think you'd rather still be? I think that's true. But still gotta you gotta feel good. If it's a comeback game. After you've been traded show out like this. It made him feel good about himself. But still I mean, he's still a little bit of that. A little bit better doubt. I'm I've I'm sure that's true. I thought it was good for him that this game was in San Antonio. If the first time he faces old team had happened to be in Toronto that I think maybe we would have seen motion crowd fight more and sort of that he at the whole crowd behind him. And look he is he's sort of the aggrieved party in this. Right. I wanted to be traded. He didn't. So at least he got sort of the backing of the crowd and all that. Let's talk about why though because after the game very nice moment between Kawai and Gregg Popovich, not only did they hug it mid court. But then pop shoeing all the cameras away. He actually takes down the court away from the cameras to know conc- what they're saying. Take a listen though to Spurs fans pop. It asked them all to be nice to Hawaii and appreciate what they have been. And look here's popzette about it after. We'll go to. Wonder? Special badly. Kawais a high character guy. You know, we all make decisions in our lives. What we're gonna do with our futures. And he has that same right is any less? So I felt badly. We'll motion from Greg there. What I was trying to spit out before we played that sound was Greg actually asked fans that morning and in the newspapers and said, hey, don't boo him for leaving cheer him. And celebrate everything we accomplish while we were there, and he felt strongly enough about it. You saw him after the game said he was disappointed. Do you think that things between them feel mended to you? And the that all that's also demonstrative to you of how their relationship is our between coach pop in kuwa-, obviously, the fans wasn't part of that meeting. But you know, just knowing kuwa- in coach pop few years back. Yes. Me to speak to Kawada. And it was a great opportunity for me to get to know Qalad. But I know that he has a very special relationship with this young, man. Even though he's not coaching him and things one. We're last season has a lot of respect for him. And it was great to see him showing his emotions talking about this young players because. He definitely deserves some cheers. They wanna championship there. He was MVP and as popsy it sometimes in your career things go differently and as players we get treated differently sometime because we make different decisions different than people in corporate America, but we should be treated the same. And if we're not happy somewhere got to write to make a moving. Wended pop ask you to come talk about a couple of years ago. There was in Chicago playing. Yes me after game. If I would speak to him and talk to him and kind of get a feel because he felt like that his game kind of pattern my game a little bit. And it was just a moment. I wouldn't even for about ten minutes and talked about three games wanted to get across to him. Just really telling him what he needed to do to keep progressing is his game in getting better. And I kind of admired his game and told him that you know, I've been watching him and see that you know, he's been getting better. And better things that I felt like he could work onto, you know, become even better player. And I feel like that he's filled all those votes. I ask you if he spoke during that time, but it was hard. But he did he did speak as you guys know commodity, very quiet player. So, you know, he don't speak much off the Ford either. So, but it was it was great just to sit down and talk. You know game some sometimes makes coward out of a sometime because as players people don't outside never know what we're going through. And then when we say things do things people take it as the worst. So hopefully that they can in this relationship and the fans in San Antonio will continue to embrace. This is interesting because we right. We don't know what's going on between them, and especially quite doesn't talk a lot Popovich very famously closed mouth about what goes on behind closed doors. We do know, Mike, right? Our reporter down. There has said that pop and quiet actually been texting a lot of this season. And that they have maintained that relationship. And then poplars actually, we know this pop came out and said later that he felt his comments about quiz leadership got misconstrued. And he really wanted to communicate to qui-. He had good feelings about them. So clearly, they have mended something and just knowing that they've been talking that much. I think is super interesting, but it is interesting. Then also to hear that. After the game because he blamed a whole other party. Meet it as a great job to stir. Knowing force them, this think of certain way, so already knew how that was being away to media was. I mean, he's basically blaming the messenger. Right. The media does not create these sentiments there reporting these sentiments sent them came from a certain place. That's why they're out there. It's also ironically, why qui- was a villain last year because his side never really got out because he doesn't talk. And so it's one of those things where that was very nice to hear pop say that it would have been nice to that last year. When there were a lot of ugly things being said through the media don't know who set him, but they all seem tilt toward one side tilt against a certain other side. And so yes, you can blame the media for putting it out there. But you can't blame it for creating that message. That message was created somewhere in the city of San Antonio. Yeah. I think the message was clear that his teammates felt like he should have been playing. So that really sort of dirt. The up the water for him. And that's where the media started to really dig in figure out are you really injured or you don't wanna play here anymore. So I mean, you can't blame the media for that. They're just trying to figure out what really happened. Why of one of probably any player that I've ever known the plane San Antonio to wanna leave some because you left Chicago. And when you guys left Chicago was not on good terms ninety eight when you came back. First of all what was your sentiment combat and another thing because we had clips of was quite mom at the with the jersey. Do you have any family members in the crowd in Chicago for that game? I don't recall, but you know for me coming back. It was to forget about my pass as what happened to look forward. Because that's what it was about. It was about really building on what I had done in the past. And not look at what had happened in between that was bad or. What divorce happened? So I was happy to be able to come back because I wanted to remove that that scar from my life because I wanted to finish as Kabul, and then I had to go on and finish my career somewhere else. So I was a little disappointed, but it is part of the business and every player in this game gets traded or get talked about being traded whether they get traded or not I understand players perspective from choirs perspective. The media does amplify things race. So can turn up the volume on something where you want to be like again like like pops comments about twice leadership. He said them. It's not like anybody made them up. He said it in public. But then the media amplifies it, and you can feel well, whoa. Slow your roll, you're taking it out of proportion. That's one way. The media does affect the NBA especially today that is not the media created this. And that is where I have a little bit of an issue with with require was saying only in that. He left rate. He wanted to be treated, and he got traded if this was all just a media creation. He would have come out and said, no, I wanna be here. This is crazy. You media. You're creating this. I wanna be here. I'm still here. I'm son in the supermax. I mean, it's it's it's hard to come out and say the media did all this he left, and I I understand the frustration of living in the fish bowl. But that is where we are with the NBA that make so much money and get so much money from these television contracts. It's good for the league that everyone's talking about a twenty four seven, and you know, we'll keep talking about it after this break coming up daddy. Age. It's got a, you know him. Well, he did not like LeBron calling himself. The greatest player of all time. The other day, I made some very strong comments about it. Find out what he said when the jumper turn a pot. Only on ESPN. Plus, it is more than an athlete are eight episodes series exploring the unique bomb between LeBron and his longtime friends term business partners maverick Carter. Rich, Paul randoms. The first seven episodes are available now. All right, guys. We heard LeBron call himself the greatest player of all time on that more than an athlete broadcasts. He was talking about how he felt after the two thousand sixteen championship. Well, then the not only disagrees he's strongly disagrees. Here's what he said about LeBron and local sports radio show in Boston, quote, his career is not over. I just like to know why he's saying that. I don't know. Maybe he thinks that sells maybe he's taking the Donald Trump approach and trying to sell himself. I don't know. I mean, that's a interesting comparison considering the history between the Brun and our current president. I thought this these remarks, but then angel credibly incredibly irresponsible. First of all he has a history of throwing unsolicited shots. Lebron? Right. So if you remember six years ago when Pat Riley put out the official statement telling Danny to go bleep himself. Basically that was because Danny said this on a radio local radio hit in Boston fan about LeBron complaining about officiating in a game. That did not involve Boston. It was a bold heat game. So again fast forward again. This doesn't involve the Celtics is doesn't involve Larry Bird, the one. His teammates doesn't involve. Anybody knows? Right. He's coming in and thrown it. And guess what? Look whether you like or don't like the comparison. It's all good as far as LeBron Michael Jordan. But when you bring the president's name into this, and you know at best so very polarizing figure at worst. It's someone that this person specifically as a problem with what other LeBron has politically that the president. There's a per. Personal this year to slide between he knows what he's doing there. And that ain't right. And it's it's it's there's no comparison really because you're talking about one person maybe talking themselves up in LeBron case, but he's not out of question. We're not saying the old no way could be. Maybe maybe we maybe we don't agree versus someone who at look is known for bloviating and same blustery things that are way out of proportion that his defenders will say that same getting caught up an emotion and detractors will say this is telling on truths. But either way these are not the same thing for him to make that comparison. He could've said everything he said and not bought up that name the he he decided though that name in there. And I thought that was just despicable while follow that Scotty Pippin on the fall on me. That's Danny Yankees opinion. And you know, we all have Pinon. But my problem is more. So Whitney Braun is if you. Are the greatest player. If people are saying, you are the greatest player or people are saying my Jordan raise player, why do you need to say it? Jordan. Has never ever said. He's the greatest player Deva play the game. Why he's respected all the other players before him. So for LeBron to say that he sort of pulling himself out of it. Because you can't say you're the greatest player you have to allow you appears in the world to say that the context of what he said it just because you know, if we're having this cushion, he was talking sitting around his friends, and he was saying that when he won that two thousand sixteen title. He said is I thought was Cleveland while we've done this first time fifty two years, and he said, my second thought is I was running around the court being crazy was, wow, I did it this is what makes me the greatest player of all time. You can disagree with him. I get it. And you agree with him saying that by the way that conversation was for a documentary that was supposed to appear any SPF. Plus, so he knew cameras rolling not like they caught him in a moment. Are you? Great guy won three titles Lilith for two years came back and won three more. That is considered greatness to me winning out to me decides who the greatest players in the game. Out in front of another man in front of cameras saying what he thinks. Coming up next. We can't follow. So we just gonna take a quick break. I did sit down though with Bisky, and you will want to hear this. Here's and through this that often. I mean, you're actually there interview. It was a lot of fun. He wasn't even sure he belonged in the NBA at one point in time. And now, he's competing his twenty first year in the league, stay tuned. But here's what the jump recommends today that close ten things I like and don't like including rock-solid Indiana Pacers. The Pacers defense the Knicks lack of defense and much more in this column. So go read it on the app during the break. Kevin Godley don't sportscenter live from Santa Clara. How Alabama Clemson par? Four compares to the previous playoff trilogy. Plus new reacting tonight in the wild ending of the rockets warriors game and predictions for all four NFL wild card games. Sportscenter with Keith Olbermann sixties anthem PTI. Double header right here on ESPN eastern, the Mavs ticket on this. And then the thunder take on the trailblazers tonight. Our coverage begins with police. Great NBA countdown at seven eastern. So after more than two decades in the league the name Dirk Nowitzki speaks for itself. He's one of my favorite players to talk to to watch. And I was thrilled to recently get the chance to do both when we sat down we talked about his journey to the NBA why he is still playing what he thinks of Luca Donncha ch and that memorable championship in two thousand eleven take a look at one of the all time greats had to say before you can catch him tonight against the Celtics on ESPN. Twenty first season ahead of Kobe Bryant as the player who has played the most years with one team in NBA history. Thomas flown by. I mean you've had chances to go to other teams had chances to retire. You've had a bunch of contemporaries retire. Why are you still here? Compete even older gets the harder. Just keeping up with some of the guys that half my age, but it's still fun to try to help the the franchise of the team win games. It's you know, we have to use your brain you have to use your smarts. When you lose a couple of steps, but that's still fun to me. But it says definitely coming towards the end. I don't want to say this is the last year but roll we'll have to see I'm gonna I'm gonna approach it like it's the last. And then goes, well, we'll we'll see about that. Nick summer. There's some here. Marlow new uniform. You have such a great sense of humor about yourself. If you do something goofy on the court, one of your old teammates is now coaching here nickname you like a mummy for the way you move. So you do a whole skit about it. What has let you have that perspective on yourself? Always Love's gonna ask d- made some the first long all this. Now goof around always wanna wanna keep a light atmosphere usually 'cause NBA season gonna be a long long grind. And I always try to make it life. Enjoy what we do LA's like this. You've talked a lot about how when you first came into the NBA, you were so shy. And you're very self conscious came with English not being a first language, and I was almost was worried to say the wrong thing. You know, if that makes sense, I kind of said not much just being in the NBA. How scary was that idea for you when you were coming over here? So I wasn't sure if I was ready for it only weighed about two thirty to thirty five. So it was really skinny just wasn't. I wasn't sure of my body was ready for the pound ING my first year. They were games were I didn't play at all where come off the bench. And you're like, hey, maybe I should have stayed in Europe. Maybe I should have gone to college. Had a bunch of offers and think it's normal. That's couch. Pretend I don't know why this guy has a better every time I seen play. He looks better than the guys average six point two game. But I wanted to fight through it. I wanted to work my way through it. Good this show. Luca with the fancy handles. Don is coming over from Europe different kind of player than you were in certainly different era. But still how can you be helpful to him in his transitions? Well. Mine. I think I got here. He's already extremely savvy as a player, which I wasn't. He seems like he's been playing parole since he's ten years all the way much has justly cares himself, and they'll scrimmages he wants the ball. He wants to make decisions with the ball, the great great passer for size, of course for agent. So I think it's going to be fun to play with on the compete with for a long time. You have plenty of players come up to now in the NBA who were boring after you started playing I grew up watching you Derek. What is that like? Yeah. That's that's crazy. You know, the know that can be. You know, I'm double the age of somebody's young guys play with go to educate your younger teammates. A lot of these guys were born in the nineties until you had a ninety throwback fortieth birthday party this year, which address as myself, which was amazing about this wig. And so I kind of like a style to my hair style looked like when I was drafted problem. Earring back a war pinky ring. Like the wide genes that were that were hot in the nineties. Our a super big shirts like a quadruple X shirt. A lot of great stuff. Great throwback stuff. So really enjoyed it. And glad everybody showed up in part in the Dallas fabrics NBA champions the first title in franchise history. There's so many highlights with you along the way through this twenty one years, but the NBA finals are always going to be sort of the big temple book ends and with you. I mean, you have this experience you play Miami in two thousand six tell you so frustrated that video of. He walk down the hallway pushing kicking and just blew slowed so angry, and then that gets book ended with two thousand eleven where you be Miami. And your reaction, then you ran off the court and just started crying in the locker room before the trophy even came out crying, stop myself. So I just decided, hey, get off the cord get a minute before all these cameras are right in your face and lay there in the back a little bit. There was a little bench there in the visiting locker room in Miami, shower shower. Yeah. So I lay down there. He would just sobbing kind of under a towel all the emotions, you know, all the things go through your mind, the hard work that all our all the people that go through with you through the stuff you up and down. That was just it was a blur. What it was? It was an amazing time all all know for it for my life. And that moment man that's championship cap off a resume among the best to ever play this game. A lock, of course for the hall of fame. But got what do you think real legacy is going to finally hangs it up? Tomatoes wanted to buy a really doing the pick and pop to three point line. And just watching his his journey really Watson a young kid coming to game. It was clumsy. And then just watching him develop a shot having a shooting coat in now playing NBA finals winning. He's he's just been a great pioneer player for us in our game. Just watching his development and how he's worked in just got better. And better and better. That's why he's you know, he's still in the game for me as an opponent scout forum that feeling of helplessness whatever someone gets the top. Well, this is basically a layout. He hit that one leg shot. And then watching that one out get taught all around the league to other big. Whether it was guys is good if Kevin Durant guys regulars, Ryan Anderson, the all kind of incorporate that stuff in there. And also, you know, he's really close friends at Steve Nash. And you know, I got experience dirt. Do Steve's is and stuff like that. And they have a similar story of having struggled in the first couple of years, and then reach great highs in the both eventually becoming MVP's. And so just a great ambassador frog game and a great, you know, an obvious sense of humor. The work that he put in over. The course of rare is definitely stand out for me because we talk about some of these guys like their finished products in their first or second season. They're not if you apply yourself, you can be like Derek and can be like they're coming up. We're ports coming out of Philly. I Ramona Shelburne are Agent Orange announce key talking about Jimmy Butler being unhappy with Brett Brown's offense. We will get to that. But I here's another distant replay for the people this one two thousand three J kit. Does he? Not always hope. Oh. Air williams. Go. Just behind my back. Oh and you'll help. Was there? He didn't need to. Hanging out with lower here too. Few minutes discussing the rockets are physically better than the warriors. Whether Nick foles on the verge of another miracle playoff run coast club, Beckett Aref and crazy stories about Cowboys legend, Charles Haley, stay tuned. So good. It has been a month and a half since the Sixers acquire Jimmy Butler and today cited leak sources or Asia works now ski and Ramona Shelburne are reporting that Butler has aggressively challenge coach Brett Brown on his role in the offense. They that has complicated. The Ardy tenuous chemistry among the teams big three hierarchy. Now Brown had this to say on Tuesday after the Sixers compelling win over the clippers the he's focused on growing and shaping the team's chemistry. Quote. We are coming together. We have a new opportunity you don't just click your heels and throw Jimmy Butler in and everyone's going to be playing the same way and style it doesn't work like that. So my job is to grow a team. And if you look at this story reporting that they've done is that there was in particular film session in Portland believe that the team lost by thirty four points. There is a lot of frustration. And that Butler came at Brown in that film session in a way that some people in the room felt was disrespectful Brown late. According to the story told people within the organization that it was okay with him that he felt it was within as they put it the confines of the relationship. He already has with Butler. But obviously, there are issues there, and that the story talks about how Butler's frustrated he wants traditional pick and roll that this is a more free flowing offense. What do you make all this? But Jimmy Butler, as we know has been carrying a little bit of a track record in terms of dealing with with coaches. So, you know, they have some some issues they if this is the problem in hopefully, they they can work it out. But I think that Jim is definitely been a positive piece for them. And I'm hoping that they can work this out and they can be a positive team going into the playoffs. Someone that can be competitive because I do think if they're ready, and if they're healthy and playing well together that they can compete for tight like any other team. Yeah. Well, first of all we talked about this yesterday about the frustrations that come from because there's not a lot of room on the court because they don't have enough shooting. So that obviously boils over. But the other thing is look we don't know Jimmy is a very straight shooter blunt tool of fault. But Brett Brown doesn't have a problem with it. I talked to a Bernie Lee Jimmy Bolas agent. He said, yeah, they talk every day have zero issues. He knows that's how he communicates. It's not unlike dream on green and Steve curt, right? Very mom can be very demonstrative. We have seen problems at the two of them and look skies. Right. Jimmy has had issues along his steps along the way at some point. He has to learn even if this is his style that it might not work for the whole team. We will follow this story. Thank you guys for being with us. Have a great weekend games are jail. Yes, sir.

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"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show. From today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Welcome to undisputed live from Los Angeles. I'm Jamie Madge, oh here with Greg Jennings. Crisper sard and rob Parker gentlemen. We made. It's a Friday. You guys have enough gas tank for one more show. No, no, ready. No. And best part is they didn't cancel the show was still. We're concerned. Well, let's get started with your favorite topic. Lebron James as first season in LA hasn't gone as planned now. He's getting called out by a hall of Famer Scottie Pippen said yesterday that LeBron made quote little or no effort to go after the ball when the game was on the line and the Lakers lost to the hawks this week, then he compared him to his former teammate, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant hip and said, quote when I look at LeBron. He's not what Michael was as a player. He's not even with Kobe. Bryant was as a player. So when you talk about trying to compare Michael's instinct, his ability to take over games his ability to want to have the last shot. Lumbra n- doesn't have that, gene. That's not in him. Kobe has that, gene. It's that clutch. Gene. I'm not taking it away that he doesn't know how to win and he's not willing to have the ball in his hands. But the players that have that clutch, gene, they're going to go get that ball. All right Scottie Pippen way in shots. Fire fired. Chris what do you think is LeBron lackey mcclatch, gene? Cosc- the smile row Parker's faces. You were reading those words he was just waiting chomping this. But let me set, you and Scottie Pippen straight. If he wasn't talking about a killer instinct that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have versus LeBron. I'll give him that LeBron. It's a spectrum and LeBron isn't quite as high on the killer instinct spectrum I would say as Jordan and Coby when Jordan Coby played you off said this on this show before they wanted to crush you. And LeBron I said LeBron's ideal game. Probably if he's going against the friend Dwayne way to Cairo Irving somebody like that is for you to get yours me to get mine. But we win, you know, we both have really good games, but we win. Whereas I think Jordan Kobe. It was like I wanna shut you out. I want you scoring six points while I'll get my forty and we win. So I'll give Scott. Eddie that. But clutch, gene. No, I'm sorry. Like there's been this narrative about LeBron really throughout his career. They need isn't clutch. And you're going to sit here and talk about feelings and talked about what you see and talk about perception and psychoanalyze LeBron if you know exactly what he's thinking he's afraid he's this or that. We really don't know what's in his head. All we can go by objectively are the facts. And here are the facts in all potential go ahead shots in the final five seconds of fourth title or or fourth quarter or overtime for their career. All right potential. Go ahead shots in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime in the playoffs. That's the biggest moment the play offs. Michael Jordan, five four eleven. That's forty five percent. He hit three buzzer-beaters. That's. Pretty good. Lebron James six four thirteen forty six percent hit four buzzer-beaters, and you're gonna pooh-poohed last year's against Indiana. The game was tied. The game was tied. There was no pressure. Okay. Three of LeBron six game winning shots four were buzzer-beaters. But there were two more with like two three seconds left three of the six they were down. So they were there was pressure to three and the gays. We're tied. You miss you. Going overtime three of the games, you're down. You miss you lose. So LeBron James has not only hit a higher percentage was was the different six percents or forty five. Okay. Not only hit a higher percentage. He's hit more and he's taken more. So if he was scared why is he taking more now Koby? We don't have all the more games than. Yeah. But it's close so solely. Void. And he's hit more asking. Okay. Okay. That's your best. You can do. Okay. Start you go start. Anyway, these are facts. Go ahead. Coby Coby the last such shot. Koby hit of that kind was two thousand six two thousand six his last six attempts. Those situations he missed now. Give it Kobe. We'll take it every time, but he missed most of them. And when we think about the Kobe Shak era that we, you know, we think about who say in the last shot and we kill the Brian. If he doesn't take the last shot with think of the Derek Fisher point four we think Robert ory, Sacramento what shot by Coby? Do you think of in great baskets? Great shots. All that. We even think maybe run our test the three pointer in the corner against Boston. And I'm not saying that to take anything away from coal issue saying if you put LeBron in that same exact situation, and it was Ori Fisher are test doing it. We would be killing me scared. He doesn't want to go to the free throw line. He came. He'll do the pressure one last thing before you try to combat this the last two minutes of fourth quarter overtime games regular season and the playoffs all shots. Lebron shoots. Forty four percent Koby forty percent. Michael Jordan, who we all think is clutch. Thirty eight percent free throw line where Laver's struggles he shoot. Seventy five percent Koby eighty four percent, Mike. All play not play Jordan seventy seven percent the other play offs. Okay. Three point shooting. I won't even Cal Jordan because that wouldn't be then he shot sixteen percent. In those situations from three Kobe twenty six percent, LeBron twenty seven percent. So this notion that he's not clutch. Okay. If you wanna look at his facial expression. And I know you study psychology and all that he scared. You can see his body like go head. But these are the facts got you. But the only problem with at and I see all your stats not like he's running away with it. I'll give you that the clothes. He winning. That's all. But when you talk about an and last year was the perfect example. This is what people have watched about LeBron and white is an issue and why people react to him. And you notice Chris 'cause you've talked to many NBA players always even wanna know. Kobe forget, I I'm more about Jordan. But they'll nudge Koby a head because even though you you gave. Me the numbers. It's still about does guy really one of make that shot and have the bonus hits last year. He won game one game one that you was does he wanna take it take it came one last year, Golden State? Lebron was having the most unbelievable playoff game. We'd see fifty one points. He nobody could stop them. A gig come down to the end of the game. And he has Steph curry in front of a mismatch. Right. The broad James could not be stopped at night that could altered the entire series will abroad steals that game game one in Golden State. He passes to George hill, who of course, mrS one of the two free throws. And they wind up lose Georgia for layup. Right. Well, no, Georgia. What he didn't get a Lael? He you say it was open. He got blocked fouled. So wasn't an open layup as you like to say, if it wasn't open layup, he would've made the layup. My point is to been way too many of those moments where he wants up passing the ball in those spots. That's what people it's not only about making it. It's about taking. And when you look at a guy like that, you go he can't be stopped at the basket the rim. If you wanted if you wanna take it in. But then if he's fouled he's gotta make free throws. I would love to see what your free throw you. Gave me regular season off. I would love to see what is the place because we've seen LaBant of brick free. Trolls in big moments in games. And then that's why a lot of people always feel like he doesn't want it or he doesn't want to give fouled because he doesn't want to step up there and make those shots. That's why Scottie Pippen will push back on LeBron other NBA players former players, look, LeBron say he's unstoppable. The only person who can stop him is LeBron James, and I don't wanna hear like he's the greatest player on the planet. But he's always. Well, he made the right basketball play, even if it doesn't work out. It's always he made the right basketball decision or basketball play. No, sometimes I want my best gotta take that shot. Even if he doesn't make it. I rather the ball be in his hands and the game either a win or loss and LeBron James is going to dictate it not George hill. Trying to make a free. While he's eighty percent free throw shooter. None of play also to finals when the game is on the line. I'd rather have LeBron they're making that shot making that play. And that is why lebrons doesn't get the respect. And the perception. I'm I'm talking about the respect of when people say he's not a killer or have that instinct, I had the privilege of been covered the BA since nineteen eighty seven. I was there watched Michael Jordan D'Amato's entire career set courtside was there in Cleveland when he made that game series winning shot at the end. He wasn't look in the past of all anybody else. He was going to win or lose on his own. So when people see you make those kinda shots, those guys that they're always going to gravitate to and think best that was one of Jordan's three. Lebron James definitely has the clutch gene in when we talk about the clergy, it just looks different. Chris you alluded to it. I'm totally on board with what you said in all the facts. But it looks different ROY. When we say killer instinct, Chris Ardy made that point. Yes, Jordan Kobe the way they went after it the Tonette city the way they just wanted to devour their opponent. Do we see that in LeBron? No, we don't see it. But does he wanna do that? I'm sure he does. But the era of which LeBron has grown up in versus those two specifically MJ he played ball with all of these guys their friends, they go they basically brothers. He'd the Wayne, wait. Kevin durant? We see them together all the time and off season. So they have a report in a respect for one another does he wanna win, of course in has. He done it. Yes. It just looks different. It doesn't look like Mike because Mike will do whatever it takes. And he wants that last shot in for for Scotty Pippin to say, this it I mean because he's spoken about LeBron James pretty much being close to the go and be better than than Kobe. Now, all of a sudden, he's putting Koby, and I'm just I'm lost because yes, you had the best seat in the house to defer to Michael Jordan, and you could say how he was in the locker room all these things. None of us can speak to what LeBron is saying you made this point. We don't know what's going on in his mind. He I'm sure if he had a wide open shot he would take it every time. But LeBron the way he's built we've sought from day one. He's going to facilitate he's going to take the best option. And we say LeBron he's physically dominating on opponents. He should just take it to the rim. He should make the layup. That's not always the case when you've played forty four plus minutes every single night, and you're not here. But put the only problem Greg is that if he wasn't three and six in the finals and there was situations. I'm telling you that if it was different if you told me that LeBron was eight and one, and he was facilitating and given it's all the people. They won all the time. People would look at it differently. But that's not the case because he has it one even that one. Well, you know, what I mean at the clip that people think if he's the greatest of all time he hasn't won at that clip. What was the other one where you pass the ball to the tweet count com? Korver that was a situation where they're up by two. Lebron has the ball. Who's stray my joy, joy has five thousand front of him. And he passed the ball for three pointers taken into joy mon-. Right. Maybe following monitor game. You didn't need it three. So he passes it. Call Corbin misses the shot, and then they don't score another point in the game, and they lose. So that's another one of those game. Would you just look and go? Alright either going gonna foul them always gonna make the basket. Why won't you go to at Draymond give out get him out of the game? And try to win it all that. But I I'm I'm gonna go back because everybody makes it seem like, Michael Jordan. I'm not knocking Mike MJ the goat. And he's the clutches of all clutch in my opinion with clenched, gene or killer instinct, but he didn't face the warriors. Like, LeBron James. We keep saying you keep saying three and six he didn't face the warriors. He didn't face a three and four headed monster. That are little. Right now as we look at it top ten fifteen players, you got three of them who are top ten. You can't use that as. It's not an excuse to put together. Right. The big three down in Miami. So when they went to four straight NBA finals daily one to he didn't even fulfill what he had going, and you know, what lebrons star that said this. Lebron started my space with that. And the warriors said, okay, we got you. We'll start Facebook. They won up to him. And now you gonna look and go, oh, this isn't fair. They got four headed monster Loughran with together three headed monster. And he had to deal and the other league guys in the league at the deal with that. Let me get back back to what we were talking about with the clutch. Okay. 'cause you you're half of your argument was LeBron's passed the ball. Okay. Let's go back to nine hundred ninety three game six of the NBA finals. Visit Phoenix Suns. Nowhere. All. But when the fire passes, he he he does he has that my one that made to deprive, and we might have video of fourteen seconds left. Michael Jordan's inbounding the ball inbounds gets it back in the back court. And that's the end of the play Jordan before that happened, Jordan. Do you see Jordan in the scream he's not even in the play? He got the ball in the back court with six foot two which four inches shorter. To him fright Johnson on you, Jordan takes dribbler two and passes the Scottie Pippen at the three point line Pippen, drives kicks the horse grant, Horace Grant, drives kicks it out to Paxton Paxton his the game. He's one Jews. This is Jordan. Why point rob the point is this Michael Jordan was not involved in the play? And I'm fine with it. That doesn't mean Jordan wasn't clutch. That doesn't mean Jordan didn't have the stomach for the moment. It means they made a smart basketball play, and they won and Mike was still if LeBron does that we know. For fact, he's the Brian that today and JR Smith in one last ball hits it and the bras not even in the play three players touch it by the after LeBron. Oh, he'd be getting crushed. What's the what's the difference? His jaw to know. Legrand. Rian sing for. About sort of because Little Brown has lost war people looking why are you going? I'm telling you what it is that the only difference is John Paxson hit the shot and Kyle Korver mystic. No. Lebron had a better shot at the real. That's that's the here's the cave. Okay. Okay. He just said Mike wasn't even in the play. Well, have had the. On had to notice not the case when Mike. He was saying is it's all the second thing. Let me I got more facts that were in fact, you just bring a feelings. All right. I don't have any. Nineteen ninety seven Steve Kerr. Okay. They're playing Utah. They're sitting on the bench. Phil Jackson's getting ready for the plate. Okay. Mic. We're going to you. Now, two games earlier. They had gone to my late in the game. And he does a spin move and John taxes still John Stockton steals. The ball they lose. Then Jordan misses a shot on the next possession. And they lose the game. Steve Kerr say they're on the bench. And Michael says, they doubled me last time if they do it this time, I'm going to be ready and sure enough Gordon dribble. Gordon goes in the traffic twelve thirteen foot or he could've taken over who six foot two inch one inch. John Stockton is steady passes to Steve Kerr who hits the fifteen footer now, again, let's put LeBron that situation if LeBron is sitting on the bench and says to Lonzo ball last time this happy. I'm coming to you. If they double me, we're going to sit there and say, oh, but LeBron is the best way in the world. I don't care that. You're double team you have shot the basketball. All take the game with his and we're going to say why LeBron make Josh heart whoever. Why LeBron why did LeBron Saito Josh heart? I'm coming you. Because he was scared because he had failed a couple of days earlier. See what on saying we're holding LeBron to a standard that is not only not what we've held Jordan Kobe too. But it's out on not when you leave. None of the stand out when you look at his free throws late in big gay. All you us because because percentage is to me. See it in the playoffs and big moments. We've seen him as a figuring imagining. We says you haven't brought any that we have it are you answering? The question is LeBron does he lacked the clutch genes? Yeah. In the big moments in big games. Absolutely. He would rather defer to somebody else into put himself. It's always about not learning to miss. No. I'm not I'm talking about the bidding making. To Jordan played in more games. A few. I like to see how playoff 'cause this game. Wait not way. We're play all their rounds. Way with have we seen him defer more than the shot? No. We just we highlight the fact that he's deferred or he's passed the ball off. And he hasn't taken the shot. He takes the shot more often than he does not. But we wanna look at all the things this is what Christmas saying we want to look at everything that he does win. He doesn't take the shot. And if he does say he got a make it would be a game is tied. That mean when I wanna do take a shot, and you notice Greg come on. Now, there's a different feel to it too. And it doesn't mean that I gave you. Is time to make if you make it, but there's a difference between shooting Paul with the clock one in down knowing even if I miss overtime. Whereas when Michael Jordan may DeShaun in Cleveland, and I'll go back to it. The series is over it ain't no overtime the series. Not the game is over. He didn't look for anybody else. When LeBron you keep bringing up a first round jump shot. And it was great the shot wanting to grind started oversaw out because it was in the first round. Let's stop why. Because it was. Hundreds of shots that were bigger than he's a Gracia. It was a great way. The one that a grace ever. The play offs fifteen footer. But you mentioned about instinct killer instinct, LeBron is lack of that. Well, that I I think it's related though. Yes, I do. I think killer instinct in the clutch, gene because the killer instinct, you want to go in there, and you want to you want the ball in your hands in the final seconds. You wanna take that shot? And that is something that, and I don't know of Absheron his way from I don't know that he's run away from it. But maybe he's just lacking it. Maybe it's not built in his. Lacks shot. Right. We take in more slash Michael Jordan in the playoffs. We're smart leading that that he doesn't have this mentality because it looks different for him. It's just flat out looks different in look different for Michael. And it looks different for any other superstar Tim Duncan in looks different for some dies. It's not that. He's going to bring the ball up in this. He's going to isolate we can say, Kyrie Irving. Kyri Irvine has that killer instinct that clutch. He he wants to ball give it to me. I'll take the biggest shot from wherever I can't on the court. But also, let's not let's not act like LeBron has the best shooting percentages in jump shot. Then these guys because he does not he's not a better suited in kyri. He's not a better shoot in Jordan. He's not a better shooter than Coby. So obviously he's going to try to do something different because his game. Is different than theirs. That's what we always forget about. And he he he's clutch. He in our in our in vision of him being clutch. And because he's so physically dominating his questions looks different. Because his a lot of his game winners has come on layups because he understands my jump shot isn't where it probably needs to be doesn't believe doesn't mean. He doesn't believe in his jump shot. He just understands his game. And so it looks different. It will always look different. And we just have to embrace that and take that for what nonetheless, I enjoyed your little time capsules a little trip down memory lane. NBA memory aiding vagus, he brings feeling. What his feelings. Making the do is just Cobra both players and watched him closely. And I would take Michael Jordan any day with the ball at the right? Any? All right guys does Anthony. Dick, miss deserve criticism for leaving the arena in the middle of game last night. Don't forget you can check us out every day on the Fox Sports channel on Sirius XM. Isn't just about one super sized football game on Spotify. There's thousands of free sports podcasts. 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But he also only through over two hundred yards once in those starts and struggled mightily in the playoff loss to the chargers. Greg. Let's begin with you here. Are you convinced that lavar is the future in Baltimore? Lamar. No, I guess, you know, he is the future. Obviously with what they decide to do with. Joe flacco move on from him. I think they were going to move forward with Lamar regardless of Joe flacco was in the picture or not in this the right thing to do. He has the locker room your offense. Looks better with him on the field. Obviously they are heavy run team. So he implant he kind of implements his running style to what they already currently have the one thing about the Marge action that he has to get better with is his accuracy and throwing the ball in the passing game. Obviously Cheech accuracy always wanted to know you can work on it. Okay. You can definitely work on. It's something that you work on is slight shooting percentages in basketball. Can you teach shooting in making shots? You can't teach making shot, but you can work on making shots. And so he can work on his accuracy. But he has to be confident in it. I think when we look at what's what's going on in Baltimore. And they saying we're going to tailor our offense around the Jackson. It does not just solely mean that is going to look like they're going to run the ball. And then a lot of RPO's in a lot of read option. No, they're saying we're going to make sure that our offense is complimentary of his style of play that doesn't mean we're going to not we're not going to throw the ball down the field. We're not going to ask him to be a NFL prolific quarterback and sit in the pocket and make throws at times. No offense coordinator likes to see their quarterback take hits. He's going to have to understand that. There's a time in the place to get the extra yard into potentially have to take a need to take that hit. That's a part of maturing and they're going to put that on the Marge accent. But I think when you talk about tailoring the offense around him, you know, that the work he puts. In is going to be throwing the football. We're not concerned about can he run can he'd spark a make game breaking place. We need all of that. But now we're going to tailor our offense around you. We're going to make sure that you're comfortable with the game plans every single week moving forward. We're gonna also stretch you we're going to actually do things that you haven't done as well in college, and that's complete percentage better than what you had because he's his highest passing. Completion percentage has been seventy percent. And that's only throwing the ball of nineteen times. We're going to need more out of that more consistency. Obviously is average of completion percentage last year was around fifty eight fifty nine percent in this league today. You gotta be in the sixty four in above to be really competitive offense passing the ball. We know what they are running the ball. I like this move. It's what they had to do. Anyway. Of course, it's smart to Bill offense around him. That's what you have to do. But my biggest concern why I I really am skeptical about him being the future in Baltimore is health. That's number one. I know is the different NFL. You can't t- off on quarterbacks like you used to. But obviously when they start running the body or more like a running back. He ran the ball eighteen times a game. That's what Todd Gurley averaged eighteen carries a game. We've never seen a quarterback run even close to this much. Cam Newton runs about half as much. He's twice as big as Lamar and he's broken up. I don't think he can survive in the NFL now, I know they're going to drop the, but what does it dropped who twelve maybe it might even be hired in twelve adult. Think is arrive with twelve I think one of the things they need to do. 'cause RG three was on a one year deal. They need to get RG three is the backup because he plays somewhat similar. Maybe the closest thing you can get to a Lamar Jackson. He could work in a similar offense. I would always have RG three there as the backup to Lamar Jackson in Casey goes down. The other thing is this. We talked about accuracy you said fifty eight percent last year. He was only fifty seven percent for his career in college. I don't know how many quarterbacks we've seen improve their accuracy, you know, usually guys that are under sixty percent in college. Don't get better in terms of accuracy in the pros. Obviously you work on it. And I'm sure he will. But I am very skeptical about him improving it to the necessary level, he'll improve it. But I don't know about to the necessary level and the thing too is we saw with RG three we saw to a lesser degree with capper Nick teams. Now have some film on him. And the one team that saw him twice the LA charges. The second time they first time. He ate him up. Second time they shut him down. They were up twenty three two three day made him throw the ball. And obviously at the end of the game here too. Downs against the prevent defense when it was over. But I am very skeptical on Lamar Jackson being a successful quarterback going forward. I think that there's a chance only from the standpoint that. If they work on the passing part because he is dynamic. He can make those those plays broken plays game. Breaking plays. He can do all that. Now. Here's what I think is is this may be a reincarnation of Jim Harbaugh haven't capper, Nick. And when he decided and now John Hough having somebody very similar. I just wonder if they're looking at it saying okay with capper nicking. And remember he ran the ball. He was a much on no doubt about it. But I'm just saying that style of play got them. What to what we NFC championship games and got him Super Bowl, and they didn't win it got them to where they wanted. So I think that there is a chance Kris. Yes. Does he have to get better at his completions? Does he have to be able to throw the ball downfield to at least make the defense honest? They don't have to have to always make them. But you got at least make them feel like if we don't. Play up on. You know, what I mean, you might beat us downfield or or call something? So. Putting the offense and making it to fit his skill set. Only make sense to other things he have to he has to work on. But I do believe there's an opening for him. And that if they set them what with the white players in the right situation that he can be successful because we've seen other gods. How long Chris I don't know how long you can sustain it. But can it work? Absolutely. Well when you look at him last year in. When you're dealing with offenses, everyone thinks that you have two different packages. You have small packages for quarterbacks if you're intertwined quarterbacks they're going in and out in. That's what the Baltimore Ravens were dealing with. So for them to say we're going to tailor offense around Lamar Jackson. He understand. He was running an office that was tailored around. Joe flacco, this is what they knew offense of line the checks the style of play that they played in not only affected him in it affected. The offense of line there protection their schemes. We're the what what are they doing? Even the tight ends and receivers. Now, we have to understand we got we got to put this guy in a better position to be successful. What does that mean? Let's come in motion. Let's make things simpler for him. Let's not necessarily dummy it down because we I believe he's a smart quarterback in advance in that area. But now we have to put him. In position where we're shifting tight ends allowing him to seek coverages right away. And then putting him in packages. And throwing schemes that worked for him. When we look at his past breakdown in where he throws the ball. They did not even try to throw the ball down the field in. And when they did they were pretty unsuccessful his during ball down the field on the right side was a lot higher, but they only through it for times on that site deep in. So when you look at a guy like this accuracy, isn't an issue. Absolutely. But you put in plays, and you put the personnel around him that guys can get open create separation. We saw with deck. Preska indecorous Koch the better thrower in has better. Accuracy his first year. They really kept the clamps on them. You know what I mean they did? And they will allow him not to make mistakes, and what made life easier for him is having a running game to where you can play action pass and opens up the passing game right in front you because it sucks those linebackers in right away. Which gives quarterback clear vision in a line of I'm with playing to your strengths. I mean, we see it in bat in basketball. Don't try to be Golden State if you don't have choice. Right. So this is what they have. I agree with trying to maximize it. But I think one Willie stay healthy. I think it can be successful to some degree running the ball. You look at it. How healthy. At an unbelievable rookie year. And then no-doubt couldn't stay healthy. But the second thing is I think is gonna make you incredibly predictable. Like, I don't think he's going to if he doesn't get significantly better throwing the ball. Yeah. I mean, he's gonna complete some passes here and there, but we know basically you have to run it. And I think that will make their offense really predictable and be Harvard. Ken Kenny, Kenny, Kenny run it to say eighteen times. No, no. There's no way that you can no he can't convey can't continue to do that. I don't think they want him to do that. Cabrera mine now he was on the sideline a lot of times. He always had RG three to walk back to into look, man. I did that that did not work. This is why I'm over here because I took those hits those unnecessary hits trying to get that extra yard that. I did not need necessarily need to get out of bones get down, and I think when we look at Cam Newton guys who we automatically put in this running category or the style of play a similar look at north Turner. And what his his number one focus was we wanna make sure that Cam Newton doesn't take extra hits. So what do we do? They know nor turn it into this. But they draft a McAfee Christian McCaffrey something that now I don't have to really run. I don't have to use my legs. Let me just Dink and don't in check. Chatting let you do that. With you to get a guy layer like ravens right now or do they need to get? At one the I think you can you can upgrade in that area. But you have to have some outlet or level of comfort or safety net to where he can just release the ball in not have to put the pressure on him taking those extra hits that you're talking about. But I don't think he's going to even run the ball on an average over ten times a game per game you I'll bet that's the game plan. But you know, he's gonna there's gonna be times he's going to be this going to be time instinct, and we saw designed reiver's in the playoff game, you know, like fans quickly turned because of his style. And because he doesn't throw the ball of people going to be patient enough. Because as soon as they didn't didn't score nature. Ogle would tabu birds came out they wanted flacco your member it turned really quickly because he had gotten him into the playoffs off fans going to be willing to go with these and pains and take time for him to develop it's tremendous load of confidence from the organization. To be tailoring the offense around the mar- Jackson skill set. I think. Next up is going from bad to worse for Anthony Davis in New Orleans. He injured his shoulder near the end of the second quarter last night and had to leave the game. But he didn't only leave the game. He left the arena with his agent. Rich, Paul ESPN reports he left to get an MRI, and it showed him muscle contusion ADD very public trade demand over a week ago. But no deal was made to move him before last week's trade deadline. The pelicans did upset the funder. But Alvin gentry was in no mood to talk about anything involving Davis after the game. Take a listen dumpster fire in this this hard, you know, for guys, you know, we will to be professional. We wanna do. This is hard guys to go through they've been through and. To be able to come out beat a team of that quality. I'm happy fall guys. I thought that they did a great job. Don't know if he left the building or not I have no idea. I have. No, that's. And then he left the building. How does I'm happy for the guys play the game? And we want guys going to talk about the guys that play. They did a great job. We found a way to win the game. That's what's important. Alvin gentry using the term dumpster fire that upset me. Nice guy. He's a great, man. I really enjoy being able to work with him. But rob, what do you think about the way that Anthony Davis is going about all of this total mess Alvin gentry's one hundred percent light even for him? He was the coach who says I don't even know if he left to build it like really like the guy just did on his own. Here's the thing. I get it. He wants a trade people have a right? Ask for trade. That's that's that's not even in the conversation you ever, right? As though, but I'm saying would you have a right to ask for trait? But the wait it is gone on. I don't know what what. Rich, Paul him. AD actually thought was going to happen that the pelicans will going to just be like what our star player. Here we go. You wanna go to play the, and we're just gonna turn you over. And this is not going to be ugly break up, and you have a year and a half on your contract. You don't have this is not your final year and you won out. Also, you're the pelicans you're saying wait a minute last year, you Anthony Davis played great. They swept the first round playoff series against Portland and one again against the warriors in the second round. So so wait a minute. What happened from what we did last year to now you can't be here and two years almost a year and a half prior to your contract being up you want out and then when it's all public and whatnot. So yes, oughta fans going to be mad and boo. Yes. Did you just do a hand grenade on a pellet? Could season and their franchise. Yes. What are you expect the reaction to be and the way it's been so public now on the flip side just look at what happened with porzingas? Right. He wanted out of New York. Nobody really knew and then other than he didn't go to that exit interview with Phil. Bill jackson. Remember that? So that kind of gave you a little inkling that maybe something was going on there. But you didn't hear anything. It went from one day. Pausing on the Knicks to boom, he's traded. It's all done. He didn't want to be here. So we moved on. And I just didn't see that. Because it was the Rich Paul and LeBron and seemed like there was a plan or scheme or that was already being hatched that the reaction from New Orleans not to make him feel good makes total sense to me. I don't blame the pelicans for not wanting to just say, oh, yeah. You're walking out on this. And I'm gonna make all your dreams come true. And we're left with nothing. I look I'm without blame. The pelicans at all. I think all these people running around talking about the pelicans have messed this up. No, the pelicans did exactly what they should do which is wait until we can get all of the best offers this summer, then will make a move. It's not our responsibility to give a player that wants to leave us. Us his dreams. Okay. That said to your point a player has a right to make to make a trade demand even midway through his contract. If a team has a right to trade him. They don't think you're living up to the deal. We don't think you're playing as well as we thought they will move him in the dark of the night and nobody bat an eye. Okay. So he has every right to do that just like anybody else. Does we could do that? If we wanted Kevin gar net. One of the most loyal players in the history of the league. He's come out and say it to eighty AD to his face you need to get out of New Orleans. You need to go somewhere where you can compete for championships. K D didn't wanna go to Boston. But when he finally got there and they begin compete for championships. He loved it. He wishes he earlier, and that's what he's saying. AD don't waste ninety five percent of your prime playing for France. Is that really can't win it get to someplace you can win on fine with ADD? Doing it. The problem has been this it had to get ugly. There was no other way to do it. Now at do think. And I thought they would just wait to the summer and wait to they make the max offer turn it down. And they only have to request a trade New Orleans just says he doesn't. Trade him, and I'm not gonna sit here and act like Anthony Davis and Rich Paul are prioritizing. What's good for the pelicans? I'm not gonna make that argument. However, you can the one thing you can say about it is they are making sure New Orleans does not get blindsided. We've seen guys get blinds. If released Boston is going to be somewhat of a blindside, and you're gonna get nothing in return for so they at least they're telling them, look, we're not staying, and they gave them they have given them three opportunities to trade Anthony, which in theory should maximize your chance of getting a great deal one. You had this past trade deadline to you've got the draft and the summer of twenty nineteen three you've got the twenty twenty trade deadline. So it's it's ugly. But at the same time New Orleans does have opera it's better than just getting left at the altar. Oh my gosh. They might get cya Williamson out of this. They might get some decent Laker players or some really good. Boston's players, you know. So I I look at it that way, I know it's ugly. I don't think he should've left the game early. But at this point, that's just one little addition to what's what it has to use Alvin gentry's year doesn't look good. And I don't think he's handled it the correct way. But when I look at andt, and I'm going to kind of defend AD here. He's looking at a team that last year we made a step in the right direction. But look at our roster look in the personnel. We had we let regime Rondo big that was a huge release for for guy. Who felt like you know, he runs are offense. Drew holidays was better because of him. I was better because of him. They're the pieces they just looked completely different. And now, it's all solely on AMC. Anthony Davis and now too. Everybody's point with him wanting to go where he wants to go. Chris porzingis. You brought him up. He's just flat out one at out. Right. He he didn't have a specific destination that he wanted to go. And I think he's done similar what I think it may keep big difference between when a when a franchise thinks that you're in cahoots with somebody and somebody who just wanted out of the of the Nick just wanted out because he didn't say I'm only going here or I'm going to the Lakers putting them in a situation where the pelicans are going to hell he did all team. But I'm just saying, but it was the Lakers that he really wanted to know too. And that's what they will were pushing. So automatically you push back and go I'm not now he would've said I just want outta here. If you wanna work out a deal or or or give you a handful of teams, I don't think that that's what he what he wanted to go to the Lakers. Yeah. But I don't have a problem with him saying where he wants to go. This is we're talking about Greg limit. What the pelicans can is. When I requested the trade. They did not give him a list then in they eventually gave them four teams. So they never narrowed it down to just the Lakers they gave him fourteen, but he's the type of player that he can say where he wants. He has that type of right? And that's type of game to let it be known this the rest of the Lee, this is where I wanna be in. If I want to be there, you know, I only have a certain amount of time table if I'm not there next year. So he's letting it be on notice with across the league. But what he's doing leaving the game. I get back to this leaving the game at halftime. Because he's going to get 'em are less clear that up he went to go. Get 'em are on the shoulder. I don't have a problem that he's going to get MRI. But for those other guys in that locker room that we've practiced together you've committed to us, and you came out and said, you know, what I'm not going to ask for a trait that this is where I start to have a problem with it when it comes to the way Anthony Davis is being perceived within the locker room with the guys because when it's one thing to make business decisions and impact in changed your mind on what you wanna do from organizational standpoint, because they'll pull the trigger on you any given moment. But now when you tell these guys I'm in it. And then you tell them I'm not I'm out. I have a problem with that in to quit. I'm not gonna say he quit to move off. Because that's not technically what he did. But he went on them. This is something that can happen. Been in practice tweak guys. Do it all the time. I tweak my ankle tweak my hamstring. Just don't don't even play. Because you're you're sending the wrong message across the league. Now, it's like everybody has an ability to chime in and say what you're not doing in. How it's looking and it's directly affecting you and your image. Now, he's going to be looked at from a different lens now. Because now he was mister nice guy. He was the guy that does everything right? The superstar. Everybody loves in the doors in is in a small market. That's doing it the right way. Now, that's all out the window. Now, you're going to be looked at as the guy. That's the villain. You're trader we're going to boo they had bags over their heads during the game. Nothing. He does is going to be right in anyone's is going to have to he's going to have to deal with that for the rest of his career. Now you saying that he, you know, obviously, the white to ask for whatever you want. But the team I remember when Brett Farr wanted to be traded, right? Given his hall of fame. Quarterback and all this. What did they do? He wanna go to Minnesota Vikings to Packers. Like, we're not sending you there. You can go there and get there eventually. And I think that's what happened with the pelicans. Basically, we we will win not going to accommodate you just even know Green Bay was ready to move onto breadth Bill gonna but they went they had anyone back. He had retired. But he had but they had the quarterback who taught what was better than him. And they didn't think that was that was that God what they still said. No, we'll send you to the AFC and the jets, and if you wanna get to Minnesota, which he wind up doing you'll do it on your own, but we're not going to enable you what should happen now is what I felt should have happened from the get-go. If I if I was New Orleans is easy for me to say this. But I I would have been like go ahead. Go back to Chicago, workout, whatever we'll let you know where you're trading now. I know the players association with a fought back. There's the league rule you can't do that. But now, I think that's what will happen. And you see why that's. Best. Now, you've got an injury that I don't know how long you can stretch it out too. But let him sit out the fans of their Buni Matt home, he risks injury again, which could decline his trae value AM for New Orleans. It's better if we lose because then we get a better lottery pick most likely, so I just think honestly, we really shouldn't the Anthony Davis plan the rest of the year as gentry said dumpster fire. Speaking of this game. Russell Westbrook continued as amazing triple double streak last night. But is okay. See the biggest threat to the warriors in the west Jason McIntyre answers to fly. Now. Hey, guys, Jenny Taft here. With a quick word about Robin Hood, Robin Hood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks ATF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade, Robin Hood doesn't charge any commission fees. 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Russell Westbrook had his eleventh straight game with a triple double. And most believe he's not even the MVP of his own team. As Paul George has been on an even bigger tear. Okay. See is one eleven out of their last thirteen games there. The third seed in the west four games behind the warriors. So we are joined now in the studio by Jason McIntyre. Oh. Good to be back with Jason Kidd to having here. Who do you think that the warriors should fear in the Western Conference? I think the funder of the popular answer, right? Everybody remembers what they last saw Crispus arts. Now loving Paul George for the MVP. Russell westbrook. Triple doubles. It's gotta be the thunder. No, jamie. I'm gonna go with the team currently not in the playoffs. But with a superstar who's been there a couple times Dame, LeBron James, and I believe right now. The Lakers are the biggest threat to the warriors. It's easy to say. Nobody's touching the warriors. But the Lakers, Jamie. I keep coming back to this. Okay. Christmas night, fully healthy, Rondo Lonzo, LeBron and they smoke the warriors by belief twenty six points. Speaking of smoking. Yeah. I. No smoking this morning one regular season. Hey, listen, who knows the Golden State Warriors best in the west? There's one guy. Lebron james. He's faced them in the finals multiple times took down the seventy three win warriors. Rob you may recall that congress not if this team is healthy Jamie come the play offs lonzo's back. Remember, Reggie Bullock is starting for them. He's living out of a suitcase. He just got traded to the Lakers. I believe with what twenty five gains leading into the playoffs. I think the Lakers will be healthy and ready to be the only team that could possibly take down the warriors. It's a long shot. But I think the warriors should fear. The lakers. This is not a visual fear of any head west. Gotta be the Lakers. Lebron James because this is this is your fantasy or for this is where you become the fan that you are and something that you wish you would see, but it's not based on anything. It can't be based on a Christmas day game a granite they played. Well, and they won that Gail. A we're talking about. Four seven and we're talking about LeBron James better players in the last two finals only won one game against the warriors. And now they have boogie cousins when you add into that. So I just this whole notion. I I like, okay, see better. And granted I expect the Golden State to win again because they have all the ammo. But I would look at Paul George's haven't his greatest season. I mean, he decided to stay. It's worked out. Everybody said that Russell was work while rand Kevin Durant off and what he's also adapted to to make Georgia Paul George feel better and and fit in better. So I like them. I also liked the way that they've played they're seventeen thirteen on the road. All all the boxes against teams over five hundred fifteen and ten to twenty one and fifteen against the west when I look at the opponents and not just much ING on bad teams and piling up wins beating. A good teams. And then when you look in the west to just don't believe in Houston. Because of what harden has to do Chris Paul where he is in injuries. I don't think they're going to be able to beat that team. They were year ago and Denver for all the good that they've done this year. I just there's not enough body of work for me to believe that they're going to make that run atom. So I would go for okay? See for those reasons for me. I got the rockets you wrong. It's. Yeah. You laugh. What would what would the rockets up on the warriors last year in the playoff? They were up three two and any game seven they were leading by ten at halftime at home. And then they joked they have experienced with with the warriors. They are seven and five against the war is in the last two years including the playoffs in and we have to keep in mind. Chris Paul got injured in those playoff. Now. They have different team no reason anymore in impacts them. But they have acquired Iman Shumpert who fits well with what they're trying to get done PJ Tucker guys who can shoot heir, Gordon, you gotta have firepower with when you're going up against the warriors. You have to be able to go blow for blow in when I look at their their roster and how it's configured they can go blow for blow. We all know what James harden his capable of doing? We all know, Chris, Paul. These guys are guys who haven't won who still have that hunger in that design that. Burning it's to win. And they understand we they believe that we can beat this team because we were closer doing it last year. We didn't get it done. But we can get this team because we can go blow for blow. They you talk about good wins. The rockets beat the warriors this year without clink appello without Chris Paul in the Lakers. They had one great win against the warriors into four-game winning series. Like you have to win four times can the Lakers do that for times. I don't think they can I I don't think anybody can. But I think the Lakers much better suited in the rockets. Bussard at your turn come on. I haven't heard. One. Brought over furious. James harden? Are you waiting for him to choke again in the play? No, I'm not waiting for this show spent I'm not waiting just six hundred times so much more only he has more than he has more help. None of these guys in my opinion. Fear the warriors because they feel like we matchup. Great against these read. You're right. Yeah. I do I do. And so when I look at this, and how you have to be able to match up with the warriors. You gotta be able to go blow for blow the rockets had they tailed off from on the defensive side. Yes, they have. But can they clampdown clink Kabila gives back believe they got underway gun Houston? Make some good points. I mean like you said they had him beat last year. Those guys are hungry. The problems I have with using our the defensively last year. They were six best defense in the league this year. They're really low Chris Paul. I just can't can't count on him being healthy. He may not even be healthy at the start of the playoffs and to be on. Since he's gotten back they fallen off a little bit. I think part of that's because they have a challenge now in that. Are we going to keep playing this completely James harden Centric offense or start working C P three in? And I think there's this whole since they was so successful winning doing that. So why would you go away for them? Now, they're losing. So I know we'll see but in hard might be fatigued. And and not to mention the struggles. He's had in the playoffs to you're not look at Oklahoma City. I like what they have. But I look at them too. And I look at their two stars. And both of them have had major struggles at the clutch moments. I mean last year game six against Utah deciding game Paul George goes to for sixteen. I know he's playing much better this year. But still five points was I. Playoff shots. Well, not really that. In the last two games five at sixty two total of eighty two. And then you go back you back to twenty sixteen in the last three games that they lost to Golden State Westbrook shot thirty seven percent. So both Paul and Russell have got approve at the only one. And I'm not saying there's a great shot. I'm just saying the only one that knows he can be or has beaten Golden State is LeBron James now if they get the AC, which is most likely they're going to go out and four quick game. Five would probably be a miracle. But that'd be the max. But just because if they get to the play offs, they're probably playing fairly. Well, they wanna switch everything. And if they're healthy they've got personnel that can do that if they're healthy. And they got some tough physical guys that can try to get defensive with the warriors and stuff like that. I'm not saying they would have a chance to beat him. I'm just saying none. Of these teams like against the warriors. But the fact that LeBron is a proven playoff player and okay, see Houston their stars on lightly. As far as if I had a gun to my head. If I had to pick one team to be that would beat Golden State. I go back to it would be the Lakers warriors in the first round. The Lakers would get swept you probably. I think that like, okay. So Houston, take some six. I mean, nobody can be. If you ask me what team I like better against the warriors. I'm gonna say to like, let me go to this is what I don't understand though, you're saying you like the Lakers better. But if they face them in the first run sweat. They could beat him. No. What you? Makes sense cross. You don't think they'll even begin again? Houston beetle. The question. I fear fear. I'm not going. Stay shouldn't fear. Lebron and LeBron they there. Why? They have the five. I'm not saying okay CBA, Houston has the firepower to Tatum right now too. Bring me. Don't look like right now right now, that's the thing. Not how would you say right now, we're projecting own plans. Out of one man show. Yeah, that's a one man show last year. At least they were two man show. So on his West Point, you guys need to remember the Westbrook Durant party was ugly. Every time they play Westbrook's pointing chirping Durant. It's not totally personal. But in a playoff series, Westbrook's going to try to get his, and that's where it recalls a way because. Have you still got dumped by her boyfriend still scorned and angry? He's mad at Kevin Durant. How how much experience does a coups MMA having the playoffs? None never spears is Lonzo ball having to play LeBron on their entire team combines they'll be ready to go down. Hold on. He's playoff Rondo. Layoff lay them. So. I know and I'm saying Rondo is going to be playing a lot. I understood L Madonna. Two different. He may with New Orleans last year. Of course, Rondo be. I was with Anthony Dave don't. No. But he doubted the New England Patriots throughout borough season. Patriots made you look bad. Don't do it again image. What do you mean? Don't fall for the same trap with LeBron. The Lakers don't count them out. Okay. Rob don't do it. You counted out the patriots. You got your Email then? The not just. Or mine. New York Giants to move on from Odell Beckham junior. We'll discuss it next. Back to the NFL. Foxsports insider Jake laser predicted this week that Odell Beckham junior would get treated this off season. But according to s and why that would be a mistake Brown fushing on says the giants would be much worse if they trade Beckham calling OB Jay not only a top five receiver in the game. But maybe five player period in the NFL. The giants went one and three in the final games of the season. When Beckham was with an injury. So we're joined again here in the studio by Jason McIntyre, don't say anything crazy about my. I'm almost close to call. The Jason Whakatane. Nice. Receivers right now. Do you think the giants should move on from Odell? I do. I do Jay the so I know you're big giants fan. You know? It's funny before the playoffs. Everybody looked and said, you know, the five highest paid quarterbacks none of the made the postseason, and nobody looked at the wide receivers of the top five wide receivers highest paid guys. One of them made the playoffs. Okay. I know Jennings. I'm about to tell you Greg Jennings. A great wide receiver. We were watching his Super Bowl highlights together. One time in the dressing room. Guys, a superstar I love wide receivers. They're important. Juliet OMON fifty third highest paid wise lower in the league. He was the end now super. Here's he can't carry. They'll Beckham sneakers. So del Bevin new is too expensive. And there's a reason that nobody in the giants organization. Jamie has come out and said not true, we're keeping Odell because they're looking to ship around town. This is a guy phenomenal player. His teammates love him. They do not need to spend eleven percent of their salary cap on Odell Beckham, it's just not attainable. And Greg I believe that the forty Niners will be in play several teams you do not need to pay del Beckham. They can build around saquon Barkley, which is what the GM Dave Gettleman. Does he did it and Carolina when he ship Steve Smith outta town two years later behind ground game. They were in the Super Bowl they went. They did not they also Super Bowl to the Broncos. I think they should trail Beckham if you're saying solely because he makes so much money. That's a different that's different situation. He's earned that money. So I mean, and they decided to pay him that he earns that that's what he gets. But they are not better without Odell Beckham. They. Need Odell Beckham on the field specifically offense? Let's just keep it on one side of the ball. And I'm used one wanna Chris I'm gonna give you some facts with Odal Beckham on the field, the twenty one and twenty six still not a great team without him there. Six and fifteen they're terrible team. When you look at ally manning and his numbers and his with Odell in with without deal. Like, let's let's look at this before OBI j fifty eight percent completion percentage with OB. Jay. He's sixty seven percent without without him in passing only average about two hundred and thirty yards with him. He's thirty yards better to sixty touchdowns. It's ridiculous to forty one one seventy nine touchdown interception ratio without a with. That's without. Oh Bill with Odell one thirty two to sixty nine. Like these numbers. Don't. Oh, del Beckham makes ally manning and that offense a lot better. There is no way around it. There's I don't care. What are you you pose just because he's his numbers have allowed him to earn the money that he's making you want to say, oh, we're they pay him too much money. Ship him out. That's a whole nother conversation. If you're saying, you know, because they're spending too much money, and he's thinking of too much of the cat. Then you should look to move him. But to say that they don't they don't need him there better without him. That is absolutely false just to recap there under five hundred with him. And without yes. Because it's still a team right team game. I'm not saying that he changes the game, and he can do everything because you still need oftens of line. You still need to defense to stop somebody either still need a quarterback and get you. I'm sorry, Jamie. You studying the quarterback and get him the ball. It's so that he need stuff. So get him out. Get get guys. In their pay him twenty right on the money. Just stop it. Look like, you said if they want to trade him for financial reasons, that's one thing. They signed him right knew everything you said they knew when they signed into that big deal and Dave Gallo minutes come out time and time again here. He doesn't sign him to trade. Yes. I knew the situation. He's the only thing keeping Eli manning on serviceable, and you gave the numbers which was great. We saw the difference that a great receiver can make in Dallas without Amari Cooper. Dak prescott. Hello. Lori Cooper, great when they what the giants need to be focused on is getting another quarterback and its allies starts to your fine. But you gotta get the guy for two years from now at least if not this year, and that guy whether the way Haskins Cuyler Murray or somebody else he will be much better. If he's got OB J there and have a back a running back like saquon Barkley if you get a really good quarterback in there. Now, you've got something on the offense side of the ball. Don't blame their poor record or OB Jay because no receiver no matter. How good can totally turn the team around the Cowboys examples. Perfect because you said they have an offense of line, and they have a defense defenseless top ten. The giants have neither of those Chris rating. Jay is what he's saying. Cap room to go after a mouse. Basically what you're saying? He basically not hang is. If you're a great player, you just don't take. No, not saying. That is. Think Kamara Cooper's going to say taking up eleven percent of the Cowboys cap, Greg. Not yet. A we'll see what how is only thing. They knew when they sat down and made the contract what it wants to be able to hold onto a play of his caliber, Greg is right. He's earned that money to give it to because they liked him nine because they looked at everything. And the other thing I hit for he keeps getting her. Really? He is he is a great move out about and you need to stop this whole money thing that you always wanna tach the people. So when things go bad, you look and go well because he makes too much money. And if they do well nobody ever brings up right? It's a knee jerk reaction just because things are not looking at the entire giants roster and saying he lies bad the defense is this other things, but. Jane, that's not the reason taking up a low of their salary cap. He's making twenty million dollars. I. Well. They couldn't pay. Couldn't do this make the playoffs. They'll just started making this money. Yes, they couldn't. They couldn't make moves before. Then if you remember last year, Adam Schefter had a report Odell Beckham will be traded before the draft. They toyed with this idea last year, then they didn't trade him. Now. Here we are again, Jay Glazer with the rumors time to trade Odell. I'm telling you look at Gettleman the GM look at his history. Okay. He goes to Carolina after one year ship Steve Smith outta town the great receiver. Okay. See Smith was angry two years later with a ground game. They were second in the league in rushing. They go to in next year word. Well, they were tentatively whatever I mean come on seventy win like a roller coaster. Different NFL to even since then, you know, it's a little bit different sixty seven years old cattlemans old school. He turns sixty eight later this month he is old school. He's defense and running. That's what he wants to do. Okay. That's the giant the giants better without Bill Beckham. I gotta see what they do with the money. Science without deal Beckham. I think they can be. Yes. Better. I'm Faldo died line rather build around saquon Barkley the no three nine answer. So. That's safe Barkley. I'll plays this contract. And he's taking. How about this point is taking up a drafted a young quarterback acid? Acid back wouldn't be taking what have done that. I agree with you. I don't think he li-, man. Let's put it on OB. Jay, I'm not putting it on him. Twenty million. Would you don't have defense and offense of line? Go. Let's think about where del might fit in because there's been some rumors out there already of different teams. What do you think for him? Gotta look at the Cleveland Browns. Okay. They've got a quarterback on the rookie deal. His best, buddy. Jarvis Landry from LSU is on Cleveland. This is a team that has I think the second most third most salary cap room after the Colton jets. They can afford Odell you got Dell Nick Chubb Kareem hunt. Jarvis Landry Baker Mayfield that's an offense all under twenty eight years ago. Give giant draft picks. They got a ton of draft picks give offense of lineman. Maybe the giants bite Cleveland thirty three to one to win the Super Bowl. Now just saying if they could get Beckham that team could do some damage. I mean, I don't. Almost is that why is that why you weren't aborted orange? Invasion clemmie. Honestly, I think he would fit in anywhere, they need a receipt. Some like the dude is fantastic. I get the color colorful personality. But like you say yesterday he didn't have that many off the court field issues this season. No. And it's about his talent just think people get caught up on money. And so every time something goes wrong. They just go straight to that. Oh, he's the prom. 'cause he takes up so much. Somebody's gonna make people making money. Nobody would say what he lies makes a ton of money. He probably should have been one out of do. You know, why? Because you still need a quarterback better. Giants again smoke it. What did you do before you giving here this morning, you know, in football when these when these general managers have these players on this contract, they they know that guys can potentially get hurt in not play. So they offer them, right? Is that unbelievable stopping buying breaking hearts and just I hate to do this Jennings. Is a great human being. Wack obama. Jason. Thanks. Mhm by con capper. Nick reportedly was offered a chance to play football again. We'll discuss that one next. The athlete reports. The alliance of American football reached out to Colin Kaepernick to join their new league. But according to the Associated Press cabinet ask for at least twenty million dollars to play. The problem is af players only get three year two hundred fifty thousand dollar non guaranteed contracts. Capper Nick hasn't played an NFL game since two thousand sixteen rub begin here. What's your reaction to this? I don't blame them. I would ask for twenty or twenty five million two. They need him more than he needs of this minor league upstart football league. And that's what they were trying to cash in on you know, like to use him because he had he saw with that league. First of all everybody in America. Would know what that league will was and was about number two. His first game back would probably have rating studio roof for CBS and put this thing on the map. So I don't care what they were. Paying the other guys. And maybe he really. Never really considered playing there. 'cause it's almost a lose lose. If he goes there and balls out. Everybody say you play against has been never was is. So that doesn't mean anything. And if he and if he doesn't play well, see, we told you he can't play no war. So there was nothing there for him. Really? It's all about the alliance. They're the ones who were trying to make a name off of him and use him. It's the same reason why they reached out to Tim Tibo. They noted that guy moves the needle and fans are going to be like, oh Tim team. Oh, I finally get to see him play football again, or whatever. So I'm not surprised aquarium out of money. I would have done the same exactly because they're run by social Justice warriors. No. That's not the reason. No. Yeah. This was I have no problem with this in with capper Nick denying playing in the league because there is no win for him. Him if he plays. Well is he guaranteed that? Now, he's going to get another opportunity in the National Football League. No in. That's awesome. It what he would be playing four. It's not just about the money with Colin Kaepernick he wants to prove that I didn't deserve to be just pushed out of the National Football League. And now you want to downgrade me to playing in this league that nobody knows about. But if I play everybody will watch just to. Yes, literally depict any and everything that I do know. I'm not going to give you that. Right. I'm not gonna put myself in that situation. I could get injured, and then it's like up he was out of shape. He wasn't ready to play or everything looks negative. If he's everything will be negative for him. And there's no pros. There's no added incentive for him to play in this league unless they were to give him the money that he's requesting because he understands what he's going to provide. For that. Because he even if he plays. Well, if he is the best thing that we've seen in a long time. I still don't think he gets a shot at playing an NFL. He will have a greater case. But he has to go through this process where he feels like look, I I shouldn't have to do this. Anyway, I was in this league. And if I'm not good enough to play in this league. Then let me prove it capper. Nick, did what you do when you're free when you're free of what people think about you and people's perception, and then financially you're free to do. What you wanna do? He wielded his leverage, okay. Eve making thirty million dollars from Nike. So guess what? I'm not desperate. I don't need the NFL or certainly not the af. And that's what he did. Now, if he was really thinking made like if it was about value, and I don't know you might be right. Maybe never considered it. Or maybe you know, he would do it for twenty million. If it's about the value. I bring to that league which he would bring a ton. I have no idea what their financial situation is. You told us with average player makes about seventy five grand. I think for the average player, but they gotta CBS deal. So you know, that's a pretty good deal. They're not on like, some remote cable channel that. Nobody knows about. I could've seen him maybe asking for five or ten million up front, and then a percentage of the jersey sales percentage of the bump that you get on television from my presence. I seen all that. But I'm fine with him going twenty million. I just have no idea if that's feasible for this league or whatever when I don't wanna hear is. Oh, see he does his proves. He doesn't wanna play. He is a of the freaking af I'm sorry. It's a minor league. Carmelo Anthony is dying to play basketball dying to get on a team. But he's going to go to the G league. No, he's above that, Colin cabinet above. And you were right on the money. He could go dance. Six touchdowns again. It would. NFL? It's not about his talent. No, he's not not in the NFL. Because people think he can't play their signing. Nathan peterman. All these dudes with the Redskins. They has nothing to do with his ability. This is all about the stance. He is taken and the feeling on the part of these owners that he started because you've got Eric Reed and other players that have knealt, but they feel like he started. They're trying to punish him and he's not going along with it. So I'm fine with what he did. He did the right thing and not just like people would want. Well, go ahead and play show approved Couva to us. He doesn't have to do. This guy went to the Super Bowl. We've seen record. We've seen his play. He deserves a spot in the NFL. Everybody knows that. So this is Greg to your point if it's not going to alter anything. So that's why you ask for something. So ridiculous because they give it they give it to you might consider it like, wait a minute. I asked. Twenty million said, okay, right? A minute. Maybe I will play a couple of games. You know what I mean? But what you you wouldn't do what he's a smart, man. And it is about where he belongs which is the NFL not some off-shoot minor league plan against guys. We don't even know what if they call now saying he's bluffing. But let's say, okay, we're gonna give you twenty million to take his own him that that's decision. He's going to have to a lot of if he's if he's gonna do it for the reasons of you know, what I'll take that money and I'll play and I'll do that then. Okay. But if he's doing it because he feels like it. It's gonna advance his opportunity or chances to get in the National Football League. He's smarter than that. He knows that. That's not the case in for me. When for fans out there that think that will call capper Nick shouldn't be in the National Football League. Or he is not one of the top thirty two not even saying he doesn't have to be one of the best the top thirty two quarterbacks in the league. But there's thirty two. Backups and. Who hold a clipboard nearly back in? So there's this opportunity that he knows he doesn't even have like he just get taken away from him. And I'm not saying that what he did. I agree with it. All but what he did it. Did it wasn't deserving of this? It wasn't deserving of this for him to now say, you know, what I'll plan this af like I'll settle. That's no, no. And again, the good thing is he doesn't have to because at some point everybody needs money, but he's got money because of the Nike deal and obviously made money before. So that's a great position to be in. So he can make it is Beijing know that you know, that league's not dumb. They know. No, he going. He's a lightning rod, and there's no doubt among mind, if he played a game on CBS or one of those on built it up and everybody knew the numbers would be through the roof because people wanna peek in to see Colin capper, Nick what it meant what the crowd was like, do, you know, what I'm wearing cap Nic jerseys too. So I think they understand that and still I'm not always short at the NFL really has understood like what they've done that spurred people the other way, you know, what I mean by not letting capture Nick eight look, I agree with capper, Nick, I'm on his side. But look the NFL there's some people that our guest them the NFL for it. But some people that are form. So it's just everybody's not against them. Because a cabernet they do I don't know not everybody. But I'm saying there are people not watching and whether or not people want to believe and if he were. Entertain this. Let's just hypothetical. He entertains this the rules of this league is different like didn't up. Right. There have protecting the quarterback. Like, they do go ball in this. You're you have a greater risk of sustaining injury a lot quicker than you do play in the National Football League, in my opinion. And he might be a target to somebody. Let me make a name off a Colin cavern all ailing him. So that's smart. You. You know, what if they offer me seventy five million? Real is their price if they offered a certain amount. No, I'm done with. There's always right. I don't have that number in my head. But if they came high, right? All right, guys. Coming up boxing hall of Famer Ray, boom, boom in Sienese here to break down the big fight tomorrow night on FOX. We'll be right back. And here to promote the big fight is hall of Famer Ray, boom, boom Manzini. Welcome to undisputed. Yeah. Budget right in my mind. But thank you. Appreciate Kip shit. So we are looking forward to a big night of boxing on FOX tomorrow night. What should we be looking out for in the main event with Rivera and Santa Cruz? First of all, the minutes is a grief has my one of my favorite if not my fear. Leo Santa Cruz a love this kid. He gets it. He understands you have to the fans to the best possible. He's always prepared comes in one hundred percent fan-friendly punches in bunches. He gets it. But to fight that may overtake and Rivera. Let me go back Rivera's a kid come in doing loss to in very close fights taking on short notice. He took this on three weeks notice. So he's always in the gym. So is prepared for something like this and this kid fight too. So would not be upset so to speak if he came out victorious, but the fight for me is Omar Figueroa, and John John Molina the semifinal that could be a fight of the year candidate right there. So that may overtake that after that fight this fight here to that would be hard to overcome that. Now, Thana crews he's been out what he's. Once in like a year and a half is that was the risk of rust, and how does a guy stayed, you know, no ready during that time Chris style, he has a style similar to. I'm not saying like me. Better meeting a lot of punches when it goes tell myself or Leo, you gotta be active. You gotta keep because you got to be on everything is timing which approaches and stuff, you know, if you're like a religious type, and you can just move moving you three or four runs get acclimated. Forgot like me or Leo. You gotta jump right from the jump. You know, you gotta be tough guy. So I understand you guys are getting paid well, but they're fighting. I haven't fight average six year, and when I was outdated thing. So it's important to active, especially with his style. I would love to see more of him too. And before the fight tomorrow. You're also going to be covering the press conference for the first pay per view fight on FOX that's gonna be between aerospace junior and Mikey Garcia at cowboy stadium. March sixteenth how excited are you? For that one. I'm very excited. First of all the top four pound for pound to two top four pump Peng in game. Everyone was talking about one time spent fighting Crawford, Mikey fighting Loma. Now, the Mike is I wanna fight the best. I wanna challenge greatness. Would you gotta love I want to. I'm gonna fight Spence. When nobody wants to fight, Spence. He's the most of where the guy and Mikey said, that's the guy one. He says I see something that I can I can bring out I capitalize on I could exploit. How can you not love guy wants to challenge greatness? Nobody's doing that. And this guy is doing and and I talked to missing in his Kim's going great. And you know. I just love what I hear now way. And that fight to spent score see both of those guys have had a lot of knockouts. So is it inevitable that someone's going to get knocked out? You would think so because it was spins heavy hand in both hands. But Mike is not going to go straight for strengthen can't he's gonna give movement. He's gotta use his angles. I call boxes that game of inches in angles. You've gotta use angles on them in and out him combination. Punches in move stay in the pocket, but move. Maki could typified I think might go to distance. But spent over wellness is this too much. Knockout somewhere? This'll be the fourth fight at Jerry's world at Cowboys stadium that do you guys. Expect for this to be the largest crowd in how aerospace being from Texas. Do you expect that big draw? Oh, absolutely. That's why they went there because spent from Texas adults area, and of course, Mikey being Mexican heritage. How could you not as a hero there? But, you know, take Cannella needed fifty fifty K there in fifty thousand screaming fans there make this come close. But if you can get over twenty thousand twenty thirty that's spectacular. There's no Reenen country. You don't even t mobile Vegas that has that, you know, twelve fifteen the garden thing is twenty twenty two, you know. So I think it would be spectacular can do over twenty thousand. It'd be really. And I think they will. I don't think that you mentioned greatness earlier, most millennials would I think would tell you Floyd Mayweather is like the greatest fighter their on off. Five whatever where do you rank him when you were coming up? Now, you weren't quite. Go to set up. I mean, you were in the air you were below the visions below them. But you add Sugar Ray, Leonard, Tommy hers. Roberto Durant Vate how do you rank Floyd with Dole's guys? Let me clarify this special talent, there's no dispute special talent to greatest of the twelve Ron era. Twas the twelve run here all time top thirty forty look. I can only go by my era. Let's okay. Top four Ray. Tommy Roberto Benitez, not Marvin Benitez. Okay. And even charting up beneath ahead of Marvin minute. Wait name. Name up guys that he ain't. So let's go this Tommy to stretch them this dole. Just be shoulder. Roy at taught me Tommy's getting knock the wall down with that right hand. He's stretching. Dren? We're roughed him up with a done. Do things that executive. I fight up Rica. Do things deflate was never seen. But nita's what had him talking to himself? Not must have would beat them because I'm not sure through enough volume punches, but he would have talked himself. You couldn't hit them. You know defense. He was one of the Gracie funds fighters, the hardest fighting the closest would been human rate because talent wise, they're so close and talent and height wise. And all that the difference is he could never beat rate because Ray was a closer right Raewyn embarrass. You Ray wanted to knowledge he did once you finish on your feet. He was a closer flood of sloppy round. For toll Ron's including the show, but let me ask you style of being a defensive fighter. It's worked for Floyd. But is it good for the box fan to watch? No. And rub earnings grabs a big fan of Floyd. He was beaten guys he had the ring us going twelve thirteen hundred. He was with. He was in new guys. He had no business being in with because their experience, and he wasn't just beating Nellie embarrassing them. But some point along. Away became that defensive fighter and stop being fan friendly and sticking onto joint, basically. So I knew he had bad hands and things like that we understand that. But you can't you still got an obligation to the fence. It's still entertainment he'll Skuld show business for reason business for the show. And you gotta be you gotta show. So when it comes to boxers in their mentality, obviously, they want to be on that centerstage that main event that, but when you talk about showmanship punches with bunches is that on top of their mind is that top of mind going into about. I don't think what I think you di- did to win. How do you win? You know, floors down volume punch, anyway, you know, his things being sick fight box of pick you apart. That's fine. Too. Many was early in his current still. But he would close the show. That's all you want. Then today. Great. We want to. I wanna see I wanna see an entertaining. Whether it's a knockout or just close to say. But I wanna see guys throwing punches I would like to see going to exit at some point is just moving Abella deer going around each other. It's aesthetically pleasing. But usually when that's special talent. But you've got to throw punches only the one sport. You cannot win a title on defense. You hit bottom line and bussey hit the other morning hits. You that's the bottom line. And that's offense. Let me ask you about pack at like, not the pack. Y'all we see now not the one we saw Floyd. But you know, when he was in his prime oh, seven oh. Eight zero six whatever how does he stack up against the greats of your Aaron that weight? Well, man, he's a special federal guy moved up in weight classes, but the stuff for saying newer to him Floyd back, then it was two thousand nine and I said many was called to Molin down everybody, I wouldn't be flute in his exploits bigger faster stronger. And it's all you got to be in boxing, his big man's fest. Fester and Floyd stroke stronger. Fli wasn't going to beat him then, but they waited five years which really and denim such thing. Feser was it was you know, it was a kid for insomnia. So why would you know about possibly doing it again? Are you kidding me? What's I would walk across the street to see nobody wants to stop talking about it. I don't know restocking. Nobody how good is it that boxing is back on free TV as we move forward. When we were kids. I watch Mohammed Ali highs on ABC. Why rang sports on a Saturday afternoon? And then it went to all pay per view. A lot of kids have grown up not watching box. What PPC what they've done is. So significant significant for boxing because I bring on free network television on man, great Rebecca net. Again, now stars guys down people going to hit my beheaded her for nothing new to faces and got Leo. Santa Cruz is gonna be a start CBS did with with me in guys my era Eighty-one they can he once he biscuits in the game. Do wanna showcasing lightweights? Oh, man. I hit the gender or not. Let me individuals the weights, and that's what made myself Camacho Aaron Pryor Gueo all lightweights Ray, Leonard Tommy, you, even though they were started doing pay per view already. They were still seen on that tells you but CBS NBC comes with tomorrow's champions after nineteen eighty Olympics. When we didn't go to lympics. So they showcase all those guys. So this network television is appeared of to boxing to get boxing back to once was and would PBC on FOX FOX is doing it, man. I can't tell you much is important boxing. Yes. In boxing, overtake, a UFC anything, absolutely boxing. Traditionally has been a sport of the poor tradition from the twenties thirties to now the impoverished. Have basic white suburban boys sport down near the beach towns, you know, horn and an LA. So I mean, great talents grit, special fighters, but boxing, now is back on free network television is going to explode again quick question as all time. Great boxer. Were you bothered by the McGregor Mayweather fight? Just because. Yes, and no, yes. And no, here's what I'm but not the Greg wanted fight him on mired to Sean any any calls up the grease fight over the last twenty years. Oh, now, never to the the fact that the guy never fun lick. And then fought a bucks. Okay. Here's the pro the meta commission Nevada commission. I'm supposed to fight you. But now, I said, I may have something my urine that I took through a supplement that I think would hurt me and do nothing allow me to fight you. But yet go never supposed to be about protecting fighters about the betterman of boxing yet ago, never had one professional fate as whole life. Fighter over the last twenty years. Never happen. Messed up they make the opening along the hypocrites, man. Do you know what they know what everyone knows that? It was a money grab. And by all accounts, they supposed to do with hypocrites. If that's gonna if a guy says, Amen. I didn't know I'm trying I'm training my butt off for this guy. And also get something new. And I don't know what happened. That's not gonna help them into fight. It you could find you. You can take a shot at you canting shot stop box getting a little ridiculous now with the rules men. Tell you ten in for the McGregor may. Another you drink the Kool aid. Oh, did you. Did you my gosh, I'm exhausted over here? All right, guys. Don't forget don't miss. The aero spins junior making a press conference at four thirty eastern on FOX followed by PVC fight night at eight eastern Ray. They. So much. Back. About in the broad next guaranteed hill own NBA team. But will he be any good at it? We'll discuss deck. Lebron has basically done everything you can do in the NBA, including winning MVP awards and three championships. But according to the ethnic he has his sights on one more thing owning a team. Lebron was asked about it recently and said, quote, ain't no maybe about it. I'm going to do that bleep. Lebron would become only the second former NBA player to own a team joining Michael Jordan rub. He think LeBron be good at running a team in ownership role. Lebron has done a lot of things off the court and had a lot of success. I'm not so sure sometimes when you're like a great player, I think everybody automatically assumed you're going to be able to master. The business that you played in. So I'm not positive because you can look at Michael Jordan. Who was a great player? But was he a great evaluator of talent? When he was a GM before you even had ownership, and when he was in Washington. So no, I don't think LeBron. Lebron right now is the worst GM in the NBA because if you go back to Cleveland, you'll look. Come on. Greg look at Shearson tops and JR Smith symbols bad deals that he worked to Cleveland people into. So I'm not convinced lebrons going to beat this. Great owner. I think if he may be get some help because think about this. There's only been four I think it's four Chris former players will want championship as a player and as an executive in GM role in NBA history. So it's very hard. It doesn't happen that often. So I'm not so sure that LeBron will be able to even be better than Michael and the situation of being an owner and maybe winning championship surprising. He said I mean, we've known for years that he wants eventually own NBA team and easy said in the past maybe an NFL team as well. I actually think there's just pure speculation. Not from any by telling me, I think there may be a wink wink deal between him and Dan Gilbert. Donor the Cavaliers when they talked and LeBron agreed to go back to Cleveland. And I really think the Cavs are probably the number one team that I'd rank as far as chances of him owning them as far as whether you'd be good. First of all, I think it'd be great because he's an African America, we need more minority racial minorities. Owning teams we got Michael Jordan in the NBA. I know they always get high ranks for diversity and all that. But as you go up in the front office is not as diverse as it should be the way it used to be used to be more diverse as Lor it's gotten worse with the analytics and people focusing on that and using as an excuse not to hire ex players and stuff. So I think that would be great it shouldn't just take a minority owner to hire more my Noritake who are qualified. However, having another one, I think would be great, look, we LeBron's businesses. He LeBron is obviously a smart guy. But he doesn't know about all. These different businesses has going on. But he's hires the right people to run them and they're doing well. So I think there you can say he would do that. But obviously is a basketball guy. So he may want to be a Medellin owner, and I do tend to agree rob as we know he knows the game. We know he's wanted to smart his players we've seen, but I don't think he's been the best at trying to put together teams or I mean, he he did have a say in. Let's go get some defenders and some grinders and some playmakers, and you know, we can't out shoot Golden State. So it's not really worry about that. You know, what if people go get show three-point shooters at right? It was the first thing people don't, but look is that wrong would be in a meddling owner. That's the benefit of being an owner Mark Cuban's Medellin owner Jerry Jones of meddling owner. So have at worst. If he's one of those guys that's really into it in the face of the franchise. There's no problem with that. I definitely think he would be successful. I think is great. I love. He came out and said, absolutely. There's no question. It's not even a question. And I don't think anyone doubted that this was even the something that it was on his radar with everything else that he's doing. But we talk about him configuring teams the teams that he configured it's because he's owned the team like this wouldn't be him being on the team. So the personnel would look different. You talk about the Tristan Thompson deals and all that Jay that deals. Did he go to the to the table and say this is what he wanted size? Chris you noticed them sign wanted to sign one of them signed that he make their numbers up in the year. Contr did he draw their contracts? You're trying to say under say did he no he didn't think he went to ownership and was like, no, they understood they had the same agent as the Brank you. But I don't think he set out another saying with the numbers, Greg, but some rally. A little about it. Look at some of the team when they made the trade last year. Oh, lebrons. We stock and energize. He got all the players want. When they brought into Wayne way to come in last year for Miami mellow wanted way once mental Dwayne when he was what we now. I understand. He's do this would be him being removed from playing and then making personnel decisions or meddling as you put it. I think he would be good at that. And stop we immediately. The first thing you did was what compare them to Michael Jordan. Well, only say you did because great players oftentimes like trying to be coaches. They don't seem that they can they can be a great coach after being play very few. I'm not saying it's never happened. But very few great players make way coaches and the same thing you can look at Michael Jordan, say wait a minute. Didn't you draft Kwame Brown someone draft choices? This is Michael who's the shooter Adam Morrison more he drafted atom more always going to be the next Larry Bird, these the goose that and bad picks. Michael Jordan is one of the greatest place. Just because you're great doesn't mean I can identify somebody who's great. I understand all that's all today, understand all. Of that. But those were Michael Jordan decisions. Those were is an from looking at one LeBron has done to this point. I'm saying what you mean? You mean, the three titles that he's been able to win notice six that he's law that in even there nine times, I will say this, and I pointed out some of his bad decisions. He had a hand in putting together that Miami team that won two championships that laws is sit down and put an and he went out and got these veterans shooters around him. So they want to championships today have one he said they were gonna hey, not two not three but four. Not five not sixty. Remember that you do remember them moment. I do and they want to out of four and they will one lucky of Ray Allen three away from being one in three eight a one year. They want us automatic the problem because he is LeBron James, and because is territory it comes with the territory in our expectation immediately goes completely up if this were. Some random player that was on the bench that didn't get a lot of time. And and he was able to move up the ran on the team, we wouldn't even be putting this pressure on disingenuous from this from this point. Lebron didn't take that Mike and go not to not enough for because he didn't believe it. He believed when he put together at super team that nobody would be able to beat them that there's no doubt about. So when you do that, and you ways expectations three guys all young all in their primes all coming together. Former team there's no way to people think that they have owning a team. All owning a team. He's not that dumb to that. Oh, if I own a team, we're not gonna ever lose put together roster that we're going to be in the finals every year, we're going to be competing competitive every single year is he's going to have growing pains. Like everyone else until he gets it right and put pieces in place that can make those decisions. Nhs to where the personnel is what's needed ineffective? He would be better than many of the owners in the NBA and NFL right away. Because there's a lot of bad owners out there. The interesting thing would be to me does his mentality. How does it change if at all because right now, he's very pro player? He's vice president of the players association. He's all about player movement and players having just as much power in their destiny, as you know, the the owners, and the GM's and all that and getting as much money as you can when you become an owner. This is capitalism that is a whole different thing would your mentality shift more because now you see the other side of as an owner. So if he had a player like himself who wants to get involved and do all these things would he be with that? And it would be really interesting the other bad part. He can't get anybody to come play with them. Now. So imagine once he owns the team you won't be able to get anybody to come play forest. Rob. Cricket. If I'm LeBron I'm going to retire go by vineyard put in a basketball owning it's like stress. It's more work. He's made enough money. Then you'll. He's got a beautiful family like living out my days on the vineyard sipping some while. She put up some shots when I feel like it. No, you can you can be that type of. Yeah. Actually that might be better. Or two right angle chew. He's not going to be type and watch the rings accumulate. All right guys is wrestle. Correct. And saying Paul George is the MVP of the league stuff that next. Back to the NBA. Paul George scored twenty eight points in last night's loss to the pelicans. But he is still having a career year. George is second in the league with nearly twenty nine points a game and oddsmakers have him trailing. Only James harden and the Greek freak in the MVP race. Russell Westbrook endorsed his teammates saying this week quote. He's definitely the front runner for my MVP. All right. Are you buying Paul George as the MVP great? I am. I love everything that Paul George is done even from from the standpoint of him deciding to go back to okay see is started for me, right then. And there that let me know he was going to have to shift his way of thinking in his positioning on that team. In Russell, Westbrook has complied. He has fallen back. It took him a little bit to do it. But he's fallen back and taking the back seat to Paul George specifically on offense in in Paul George has thrive. He's thrive. Not only because Russell Westbrook is allowed him to. But he's more aggressive. He is he's back to that Paul George that we were all talking about when he was with the Pacers. And he was up up and coming and he was challenging LeBron James as being arguably one of the better guys in the east to dethrone him. I like what Paul is from wins. In law standpoint, they won forty eight games last year. They finished fourth in the Western Conference this year. They're already third in the Western Conference. They already one thirty seven games. I think they can get up to fifty wins this year if they can get to that first place spot in the west no-change. I you know, I said if they can get if they can get to that first place. It'll be hard not to say Paul George is an MVP of the NBA. Look, I'll give you that. If okay see overtakes Golden State in. He may very well win. It look if the Lakers get the number one seat. I. I think LeBron. Which which is bigger that one is colossal. What you said about Paul George is. Right. He is tremendous ease better than he was in Indiana as good as he was remember he was battling LeBron James and knows playoff series when the Brown was in Miami. So he was great then, but he is taking it up another level. I have in third right now. And his story. I am an official voter historically out on. We'll just because you know, I've, okay, I'm I just found in opinion. But. It it typically when you are when you don't have another star or superstar with you that helps you and what could hurt Paul George compared to Jaanus. Or James harden is that Chris Paul's definitely a star. He's been out so much that harden is essentially viewed as doing it by himself Jaanus doing it by myself, even though Chris Middleton made the all star team in part because their record. So as a really good player. He's not viewed as a perennial all-star anything second round pick who's right, right? So that will help because look historically LeBron benefited from that when he was in Cleveland early on by himself Derrick rose benefited from that when he won the MVP a lotta guys have Westbrook. When you wanna tripled other double another thing with so Paul, George? I got him third James harden who up until maybe a week or two ago. I had his number one. They have come back to earth. He during that early. In his thirty point game streak, which nap to thirty one which is incredible. He was they were winning in a high clip at one point. I think maybe sixteen and five fifteen six something like that. They've now won eleven of their last twenty. So they're eleven and nine now, they're the fifth seed in the west they're on a forty seven wind pace since nineteen eighty two only one player has won the MVP award without winning fifty games. And that was Russell Westbrook who averaged a triple double. And that's the only reason he got it because he did something historic. Now harden is doing something historic. But it's not like he breaking wilt chamberlain's record. Right. So I don't think that he's going to get that not unless they go on another winning streak. That's what they have to do. So right now right now don't hold me to this. Because there's a lot of basketball left to be played. But right now, I would say Janas who I had earlier in the year. He's averaging twenty seven thirteen board, six assists. They got the best record in the league. Best road record in the league. League. He's a top defenders fifteenth in the league in defensive real plus minus which gives him a huge boost over hard news. Not a good defender. So right now ago go with Johnson in Milwaukee gall, good points, both guys and I love Paul George Alah and what he's doing. And just imagine if magic and them would have backed in and gotten Paul George to come to Los Angeles. What he would be doing. And where they would be that. Ultimately, always say, Chris that's going to be the reason that LeBron didn't win a championship in Los. And that's a great point. Because that would also have been able to keep the young core of and not have to. They were counting on but that's much better than Tom Brady take. But then that's a really really when you look back at it. But I'm gonna go with hard and only from this temple this season was on the brink. And I know that they've cooled off a little bit. But their season was on the brink. And they were like people were looking going. They're not gonna make the playoffs. This is how bad the rockets word. It was so bad and the injuries and Chris Paul and cappella, and they went on that twenty twenty one and nine during that thirty game streak, and I know what is thirty one now. But they went on a streak. Yes. Does he need another streak to finish off and finish up strong? And if he can do that and they position himself in a top four, then I will look at it and go this guy basically did. And now, Chris Paul may be gets healthier and can add more Capella is healthier and adds more. And now they're rubbing as get closer to the end of the season. And ready. To make that move. But with our harden without what he was able to do they wouldn't even be in position to even do that. That's how strong he was when he was a one man band and every team every night new. They only have hard any still be people. That's what lead state. You know what I mean? Right that comeback winter. That was unbelievable that night. They they were going to get berry, and they came back and James harden was here. But Chris point what he's saying about James harden. Their record is starting to slow. I'm saying he has to have a strong finish. And if to able to have that and he's a big part of that. He he's back in he's going to be the main part right right now. It sounds like you don't have him. No, no. He's slipping a little bit. But right now right now, you'll go James hard still right now. What are you slipping? I'm not going to act like not because his play. But just put the team winning. Remember, Chris Bosh was here this week. And he was saying he was honest. He said Yang type, I think he. I just wanted to change the I. Yeah. I think that's. Talk about the he was his the new format saved the NBA. All. Dr. Well, the. Still better debase, all Fiqh wine. Baseball. Breaking news just tweeted the pelicans have parted ways with GM del Dem's in the wake of the Anthony Davis trade saga. Chris will come to you. I it seems the identifier just had some gasoline. And he was probably going to get fired anyways. So I don't put this all on what happened last night. I think didn't help here to know did help. But the feeling around the league is that he was probably on borrowed time. I will say this about dill dips, and he was seven years in New Orleans. If you look at his tenure, it wasn't that they didn't have championship level talent. But they had some pretty good players. He brought him. You had drew holiday who stood there. Eric, gordon? Was there DeMarcus cousins Anthony Davis? Their major problem was guys could not stay healthy. And maybe that's one him for not having a better training staff or medical staff, but they were never healthy. And I'm not saying they would have won a championship. But they could have been a better team. Because the problem wasn't accumulating talent. It was. That that talent never got off the floor. And fortunately had to pay the price. The thing here is just look at last season. And I know where you know, halfway through this NBA season, but a year ago last postseason they win that they sweep Portland. Why didn't they sweep Portland they have something going AD without boogie? Cousins has a great year. They win a game against Golden State which was game three in New Orleans. So we went from that to this star doesn't wanna beat here anymore to whole Laker mess. And then here it is a night after you're just are playing walks out with the agent, and even Alvin gentry goes, I don't even know if he left the building. So when you go on something like that it wants a fallen on you. Yeah. I think last night was the last straw in. The reason why it's not so much that he has control over the team because Alvin gentry he still has that Patine performing. They still went out in one without their. Superstar Anthony Davis. And I think when you look at this situation. It's like okay now this is Dell. This is your issue because you have to deal with this. We can still be productive without them. And we I still have control over the team I being Alvin gentry. But when you lose your all-star player and superstar Anthony Davis, San I want out and then this happens. It just doesn't look good. And again, somebody somebody has to fall may have been doomed. And I I look I'm one that thinks David Stern was a great Commissioner when he ran EBay. But remember that time when stern the league owned the pelicans, which never should have been the case. But they did. And then recently stern came out and said, they'll dense was a terrible GM from that. I I think before there was he's been there seven years. They hadn't really won anything. He may have been gone anyway. But win the former earning them, right? They has publicly your terrible light, which you shouldn't have known that doesn't like I said, he got some talent never said, right? Yeah. It was. But this is your you've said it many times, rob the pelicans. They didn't have to play ball with the Lakers because this this Anthony Davis demanded a tray have serious repercussions. And we just saw we saw the organization a gut a hand grenade thrown on it. And now, they're up, you know, they don't know where to go and what's going to happen. If they're going to get any kind of value for him. It's it's a bad time for the pelicans. So you saying they should have just been with the train? No, not at all. Thank you for listening to speed podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Keep an eye out for the weekend addition of the podcast tomorrow morning featuring this week's best segments. Have a great week. Everyone. Of of one.

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Protect Your Summer - Unanimous Decision #177

MTR Network Main Feed

34:08 min | 7 months ago

Protect Your Summer - Unanimous Decision #177

"Welcome back to the name decision. Podcast I'm your host deep ball matter at the palm. Six six fall show on twitter at. Ud pod follow the entire intend. Eric at the network. You found that you lose. A subscribing agents subscribe on spotify prescribed everywhere. Podcasts GIGGLING for actually free. What's that that God gas? You promise between two Poles by container now coming out tomorrow Lacks today I'm gonNA give you a five part series where where it coat in. Talk about the J. Doc. Bismuth cabinet finished on Sunday as let the man recorded a great podcasts abilities into it. I really should talk to about this document. This documentary after hacked away. Second can talk to her. I want so next by Winston to talk to someone different after the dance. I can't think of name of the show is live in on the Yet we're GONNA do a little post show recap recap you kind of reflection on the Jordan doc. Our first yet on this humor destructive is the gas holly Mike Man Yo Real. That was so good so nostalgic. This is going to be a lot better than I could have hoped he wants. All the kind of the prevailing Senate was it. Went FROM WISE. Our to this should be twenty. Yeah gives us more this year? If they give all hours last I would use up to five watching it. Yes like go ahead. Just add like a bill. Wennington episode Randy Brown episode appeared. Like give it well. There was one. Here's a little you're like. Oh we're going to talk about this for two hours Sambu. Yeah I hope he's doing okay. I don't care whatever it's not fault just happen. They made their call. They had Clyde Drexler. They didn't need Michael Jordan. Which is known will ever say again even funnier later on November first of all weird including my wife second of all. He ends up destroying progressing as elsia Bobby Knight yet like Toll Portland before this. After Jordan played on the came or draft Jordan client. I don't care what white Jordan it's cool it's cool. We've got climbing ladies and gentlemen what sentiment from so you're looking at your age how this hit you initially have. What did you think about going into so going into it? You know I was. I was big Jordan Fan. Big Basketball Fan so I you know thought I'd consumes quite a bit of Jordan stuff back in the day. I mean I watched all the movies had his books all that kind of stuff but the thing. I didn't realize I was a kid. And you know I've never actually thought about any of this or reflect on any of this as an adult so it's definitely hitting differently also there has been some stuff up learn. You know especially like the pippen stuff like I knew some of it but thinking about it now as an adult in NATO inside. Yeah like himself later in the episode kind of talking about the charter bus but that was very trade interesting. Because could they paid him more. Yes sign a bad deal. Yes is he doing aggression being upset? No however like the right thing to do is to pay the money businesses. Do the right thing. None and then like one second so so I really like kind of the state. So I've been kind of absorbing media around this for the last two weeks. I've been listening to a lot of ambience podcasts. Were talking about not just stories of Jordan stores in his DOT com made. Yeah she's been in the ball since ninety eight season APP and so they kinda talked about last time. Podcast they talked they kind of beauregard. They kinda talk their way into being the on the ground film crew for this quote unquote last dance with the tacit agreement. That would stay in the vault until Jordan in the NBA will use it. The number of hearings twenty million dollars. That's how much the salting cost. Nba Right's fees Music Music is a smaller. I'm talking about like the big money like Jordan. Getting probably the biggest slices did you hear how Director got your sign on for this. I've heard one sorts in starting to talk about. I heard on another Podcast I think put us in New York and got a message like can you go meet Mike and like thirty minutes at this place goes in talk show him? He looked like astro. Why do you WanNa do this? And he's like I don't and Jordan's worried about like being represented or misunderstood citing the hall of fame speeches in example a guest director made it clear that he understood Jordan and put them at ease and during Zo. I heard about the producer meaning to the producer meetings very interesting because apparently so there's a mini Dr floating around that uses this footage. It's an hour and a half and it's been around since like six and then the bolt because the world wasn't ready for because you can't do the Jordan story on and Twenty two teams run and it gets is producer reasoning. I'm forgetting but also produced the Irish doctrine thirty for thirty incomes. Any pitches to like Gisele the speech. He gives him everything on why they. WanNa do it. And part of the pitches him saying their kids wearing shoes. Mike who don't know what she did and Mike stopped and got the in the book and saw the credits in production. Tina dining said you guys have everson dog. He said Yeah and the way he said. I have no idea this now. We're done here. What looked up and said across three times watching. I love the little guy all right. Let's do so retreat. They wouldn't filming this and their target release date was twenty eighteen. And of course we're hearing twenty. It's found the bigger lease but it is a CO nation of a lot of work. A lot of passion and a lot of the people who are talking. Wouldn't have talked Jordan hence another or if you don't get Jordan doing but also if making a murder doesn't happen if the OJ knocked doesn't happen if there isn't proof in the world that you can do this with the documentary over multiple parts if he will stay on say attached and said Hey twenty dollars investment they would've espn a Netflix That up guys and here. We are in a world now two hours later. I have to tell you right now. Michael Jordan if you go to counselling I mean he talked about race. He said the word racism not about the personal stuff like the wait long interview in looks back on his childhood like fighting for attention from his father. He said you know described things as traumatic you knows seemingly really honest about it and not trying to maintain a facade. Yeah it was refreshing the Seattle team for those who are wondering. What kind of numbers thing did glad you ask the most highly rated? Espn back in history. Is You don't know which three point six million viewers for its debut last. Dad's wanted to average six point one million viewers. Yep You got constant drop my friends captive audience blue literally literal Yeah what's up? It's more big picture. Saw things that may have learned in documentary. Holy Jerry Krause like I didn't get across not the good guy. It always hurts name but ninety seven ninety eight twelve thirteen. I don't really grasp what his responsibility isn't showing. It looks like he said I'm tired of not getting his love. That goodness shine. Y'All gotta get the Fuck Outta of here. I will get to Oh right. Eighty to know you're still gone really okay and it's interesting because the same thing that you're not crying skied. Anything is one of the reasons this team so successful is that they're able to keep the costs down and cross lines. Are Billing more more money and you saw the way they treated like we'll meet The daily he mentioned that they should call across trump's always crumbs on his shirt like like. I'M NOT SAYING JERRY. Krause needed to have tickets in the iron saying that. She must've been merciless. Moore's me Jordan you think Jordan took it easy on him please. No we heard video. I feel like we didn't even scratch her. That's eight hundred three way. Worse for Reference Will Give You Jack at home. We're now like a bumped into the doesn't nineteen ninety eight season. Excuse me that was a low-carbon things. I want to touch on how they did this. They're able to tie this season. The journey into the history of Michael Jordan. I thought it was cool. Look at his life at UNC. And how much you mentioned being Jordan at UNC. Everything that would entail right. I WOULD WANNA leave but like how cool is it that he sat down with Dean Smith and dean? Smith's like yeah this makes sense to you should enter the draft. You know When he died now it a trust set aside every play whoever. Let it under him. That money need how. How did I hear about that? I think it was a lot of to civil care. Young under Dean Smith. You got casualty kicked the bucket man. Wow Okay Bill. That's a guy I'm GONNA see Roy Williams. I did not realize assistant back at you. Like just leave it like if you say it'd be some like perfect sense. Yeah Y- MARQUESA to get him on camera. Oh for sure for sure for sure I liked Like cabins all that stuff early. I really like that and then we get to the first year in College. I really you know off the top of my head. I can't think of other documents have done this. I mean I'm sure they have but you know having his mom read that letter at home and then have him watch footage of her reading. You know I thought that was that you know. That was the second bathroom to`real decisions made during Sacramento of our number. One was but he that Scott Glass full baby you want and flogged the Phillies. Very interesting regime. And it's it's it is. You're right that it was very humid. Both Michael Jordan. When that was very funny was both traveling cocaine circuits. It you can tell by contorted never heard described only before. Yeah under pro denied but Mike you. He reacted. I'd taken a firm coverage Yup laugh. Everybody had teams excuses right now. I mean I definitely went and looked up the roster. Let's give you don't ask questions before. We will want to say that there was one thing that got started in the college years continued entire career. That was interesting as patron Patrick Ewing sets. Yeah I mean I didn't realize he beat Pat in the finals in the NC Double A. To attack you just start ruining life in the NBA. I wonder if that was go me my entire life but like they became friends. I mean I sleep in later. I don't believe he has well. He helped packet better that jumper he had towards the later in came from working out with. Georgia. Summers threat runs parallel view detailed after. He said he'd help as well but she had a cool to look like as you. And I was born so Georgia's that finished product. The the really the the now view Jordan. Let's say easily ninety two long. That's true that's fair to see this other. Jordan was very. I am because I have watched all like he's always initiate that. There's no respect there because like bird said he was. It wasn't his turn yet. He felt like someone was arriving too early. In when you watch him. Dropped sixty three in the garden Cow WHOA WHOA. Whoa let's rewind to spur season. Jay had who's a third leading score in the League? Yes Sir Behind Bernard King and Larry Bird. Yes twenty years old third. Okay I mean he. He's given it to back to back defensive player of the year Sydney Moncrieff and then the Celtics Games sixty three four hall of famers in their house. Play Emmy and they're all wooden. Rick Carlisle not only on Jordan within putting that document reach. I'll saw mass squares a day and coach. Yeah like I think we all forgot. Rick was on that team and every other like everyone tried to garner file out Tredegar Jordan. And what's wild when it's going to be one of the fundings do because the fifth episode we're going to have Susan on ear his before the she had no exposure Michael Jordan. Which can you ask her how that's possible at the time that repeatedly a competitive kind of crazy person I was. She wanted drug central. Sorry that was like some of the entire world. What is wrong with you time travel or how this happened? We've frozen it's like had. She seen space jam. I I've never come up in space. Amen they could be the main Grouse speculation and of course. They did though side-by-side. I have no putting around right now and Michael Jordan. I feel like on the Jordan scale pettiness. That's like a five. You know spending today will exist forever to some five. That's appropriate. If it's five the accurate should be ended to convince jetson perpetuity. It's a whole this five jerry crust. We lost two years ago. He's no longer in the League as a kid. Say Eight involved any document. I mean I think they gave him a lot of screen time. I think he's going to continue to get some screen time from look. He's started the last dance of Phil. Titles this last season in the ninety the call lasted. He's been told across skills about him. They've done this flirtatious bullshit with Tim. Floyd out that workout and feels like the fucking about. I'll be one which is the. Which is the appropriate reaction. Our country speaking petty krause invited the entire team but fell to his kids wedding. Not just the team. Also the management field an Tim. Floyd home invite you. Yeah Yeah so the last day of the coming do make these records fluck krause. And it's amazing what you can do when you unify behind. Like I've played for coaches. Who are like the media links? They'll play harder. That's a weird way. Okay but machiavellian plan but he was just that aided now he just wanted too much credit. Well that's you know it's funny I was trying to explain this Susan The NAME OF THE BOOK. The parables you ever read it. One of the federal concepts of it is the disease of more. Yeah is worry win the more everyone's more credit more money more attention more? They feel like they're part was more important. And every time you succeed in life it's a fight that disease or moral this game. I was still working my rain. I'll be in so interesting because for this team for this bowl team you have to subscribe Yourself yet you give love yourself to the Jordan. Anything Sixty guys in his team have better success elsewhere or could have been alpha dogs. They're saving Abbas of the problem. You play with the broncos. He puts him Dunkin McBride. You have to some of Your Games. Give it up for the for the greater good. Does it happen with him? Doesn't I couldn't help it? Literally Chan thought rage I really don't know what's wrong with that. But the bottom line is that. What's being lesser does make lesser players make. Us Her talent is going to you. Had to do specific Goltz jobs and starting pippen job. Was everything else. Every when he signs a contract ninety one so he is agent is review so his get right was an early consigned before he had turned anyone. He didn't have early to bit. He signed up for seven years because he had been so burned. That was Scotty pippin authorities. And why? I don't ever remember. It'd be a player saying I want my money or one out of this town. Guess what if they keep you for cheap? They've fucking would look. He signed it for like very real reasons. One real reason to just hang on certain point your contract but like he's one of twelve kids stats and wheelchair another brother in wheelchair. He grew up dirt. Poor like his thoughts. Were I need to secure what I can for as long as I can so I know that I'm able to provide for them for the foreseeable future like he didn't WanNa Gamble that you know? He didn't want to risk getting hurt. Or you know anything like that. He was very much just trying to secure his family's future. I'm not saying it was an understandable decision. I'm saying that clearly records back sign the four year. Yeah same foreign and option seven amount. Matter is decision I and the thing is when you get to ninety eight and says hey pulls the early shack Company tells me he'll anytime I'm not messing up my summer gets is saline. I'm like what the fuck it my summer assured in which I've already purchased the greatest line in documentary. Maybe the grandson American history. Not about the fuck about summer. Who Look that might never know if had it in them covers that you'll fight mental fucking summer. I'm not gonNA fucking about summer. We'll go to Kim's Georgia on Friday. I'M NOT GONNA fuck about summer. I'm not going to do it. Might Not GonNa fuck about summer. It's gotten into bed. That about Scottie. Pippen has not been given please sorts of stories but will Jordan where he was looking of course that was that was very funny because the first few hours are very not like soft pillow Jordan but they based about Jordan. You're there lies truck now go. Women are turned away Jordan Rowdy Lot. That's fine but the flash and he said scouting was wrong. It was being selfish by two point five mill and he's on the fifth dirtiest ever that that old clip. That was glass right like time to think about this for the uninitiated. That's the moment you need your that. You're going to give it a lot more over the next eight hours early. You're waiting for it. Does on sobe didn't smile instill agent that like I'm pretty sure Jordan. Made more on his like battery. Endorsement Than Pippen may on his power in the League of unintended consequences. This is the fact that they're very. Funny Scottie Pippen local commercials floating around you so the NBA. Low commercials are the best but skied into the best because he had no choice so everyone to go search guiding Commercials and Bask in the awkwardness of Scotty. Giving selling you anything anything anything. You couldn't get Michael. Yeah you couldn't you couldn't afford it doesn't do regional underpaid under study and the second one for their styling opening night in that big ass suit. I don't remember what was happening. Evangelist time all. That fabric for sunny couch died. Scotty live we used to couple man that was out? They called me physical hours worrying about that. Sometimes let's see the trends happen in twenty years. You'RE GONNA look back and laugh at this shit so I distrust like a child of all growing. Were close. I don't think you're immune to this? I'm not sure that's the molins but man. I've never had that suit. Never I enter into a rectangle. One man were a brick made of cloth. That's what I saw. I feel like it's only gonna get better slash worse. Yeah they could do attend documentary on Draft suits no shit. I second For like a five year period is is there a point where it hurts but points after the we know that that generation player loves to talk so for those five years? That's easy easy. But the show ends with kind of a combination of all things. He'd seen the competitiveness the drivers of teammates his disdain for the front office A Phil Jackson having to tell Skye to not be so mean to Jerry. Krause you imagine got cussing out in front of the whole organization on the team bus Allen. Say is I want to be sensitive. Actual blood or bullying is big and no one should be bullied. Their place of work should not agree of me having tell another grown at him to stop being so mean this other own ass man in front of everybody. Mike and I know there are certain that'd be Nutley. Okay celebrate and I'm okay with that now I hope I co-signed that movement couldn't be me like housing was spill. Was He like very serious when he told sky? Don't eat more. I notice fills in this ever shit about fuel to get to be master and be a highly competitive athletes like on sorry. Bill found a way for pets. Thinking was Zinn when he won the championship in New York Lord the Championship at New York. I mean he did. They've been living off that ever since. That's all the health verse. The first Culminates and ends with Scottie. Pippen trader bust and that time in the documentary was the in those like trade. Scotty I was very taken brought of. They can get make this year work and we know how it is now they do but I guess foreparts ahead of a Su parts in the CAM. What are you looking most forward to seeing in the documentary? I mean so much. I'm very much looking for to the Dennis Rodman episode which was three yes. I watched that made for TV bio bio pic back in the day in looking at Dennis Rodman in twenty twenty. You know the way we think about things that I think is gonNA greatness can be so when there's more to North Korea did trump. I'd forgotten about that. You gotta remember. This is the year. He's doing professional wrestling during the fines former member. Nwea OH he's on WB television during the finals his match against General. Please Carl Malone. He won right. I'm not GonNa Bibit moment in his territory. Speaking of I'm also looking forward to Scotty pippin ruining Carl Malone at the free throw line telling him he doesn't deliver on Sunday and there's a lot that's looking forward to the most is selling holiday for the most. I two things before we get to that. I'm really see how Jordan legitimately feels management. Fourteen minutes fourteen minute. We're GONNA stab support you when they took him out. And there's like thirty seconds left in there tied or something impacts and the shot over Louis Jordan shoots up leader in a playoff that same year. The playoff just Bravo Ravi Cima. But the thing. I'm looking forward to most entire documentary. It's small and it is petty and it goes beyond even my love of Jordan stories or might disdain for Doesn't capacity this day because the biggest looking forward to the most is yes. We all short the shot Jordan Universal. How'd that shot Michael Easter up? Rodman stole the ball from Carl notes. Written Kroth Working Rodman Jordan swipes. Because Carl Malone's never met Opportunity to come up big where he's ever come not come up short. I love watching like that was fun things that they I was during dock near a podcast if you an MVP. When Michael was playing he made it a point to hurt you in the playoffs. Yeah in the greatest that is will always be Akeem dismantling Dennis Rodman Dennis Robinson David Robinson my bat. It's if you don't know talking back from two young first of all God bless you second of all just what just go watch a King clips on Youtube. I mean that's another thing but the key like mentioned in the document keep up looking Ducati's I mean man he goes so good so good even asthmatic. Sarah but none of Michael Jordan and it's really cool to have encapsulation kind of you know bearing all that out before we go. You must think you're like me grew up in the Jordan era. But you've come over to the side of Lebron's the grids will time. Are we doing? What do you mean cessation strong as a unit or folding? I think the Broncos fans are okay through two or go through two. I'm annoyed with Kobe stance. Kobe need phonebook. That yeah like the guy. You're covering copy of it. That's cool. Are we forgetting or are we not seeing again? How ridiculous and efficient Jordan was it was. We watched Kobe on a lot of mazing. And then you want to play it. Looks like he's just like a better version of Kobe. In the you just not yet. That's it co it was Jordan split. Let's say things about Kobe Bryant? This is the limits of guests. That's fine they can come on. Man. Thank you for watching the first shoe. I'm certain Los Angeles will be here every Tuesday to break the next to last dance for the next five weeks. That was his show. Tomorrow we back with between two palms and the finale of the fast and furious film Franchise Finally Watch it.

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Hour 1: New Perception of Jordan?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:00 min | 7 months ago

Hour 1: New Perception of Jordan?

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty. I'm Jason Fitz will start you with the headlines. You need to know the Patriots. Have New Jersey's just like every week we get to talk about New Jersey's of some sort. Well the Patriots Have New Ish Jerseys the Patriots on build New Jersey's Monday morning. Kinda look familiar. Because they're the color. Rush alternates team has recently done. They've now been promoted to their fulltime. Jerseys it's the first change to the Patriots. Primary uniforms in twenty years at this point so they get a little colorist they decide they like it. They stick with it. They may get the Jersey moving forward next up in the headlines. You need to know cocoa golf and obviously been in the news as it was reported that she had been struggling with the pressures of her meteoric rise however Corey. Goff the father and coach of the teen and teenaged. Tennessee has gone on the record Writing for behind the racket that the sixteen year old said she had a dark mindset before Wimbledon last year but was never diagnosed with any sort of depression so some of that speculation put to rest and lastly on the headlines that you need to know trades everywhere or not the bucks not expected to trade for Leonard Fournette. The jags running back may or may not be out on the open market. At this point there had been speculation that there was not going to make that happen but in the world of other traits the forty niners are open to trading the first round picks in the NFL draft not just pick picks they hold number thirteen in thirty one overall. They're feeling trade costs about both of those first-round NFL draft picks opened dealing either or both of their selections League sources. Espn's Adam Schefter so we hear more the teams that might be on the clock Thursday night when the NFL draft begins may not be on the clock because it feels like a lot of teams are at least interested in hearing. What's out there wouldn't be surprised to see some of that. Being floated just to try and get trade conversations. Working in advance of what will be an interesting looking. Nfl draft. It's I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and of course ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz. We're by progressive insurance. You can tweet me at Jason Fitz. We're going to get you involved in the conversation. The whole world was watching. I was just irregularly cited like an irrational level last night for the last dance. Obviously we're going to get into some NFL draft today. We're only a few days away but the the social conscious of the entire sports community is all over the last dance. We knew it was going to be revealed last night we got episodes one and two even with the naughty language on ESPN but we got the real beginnings to the look behind the scenes. We were all anxious for as The last dance started taking a look at the last dance last season of the Bulls dynasty but also tying it back into everything that got them to where they were. I want your reaction. What did you think we were all tweeting about it? In the moment everybody was watching it. The good the bad. What surprised you what what really stunned you. What did you learn what were your reactions and takeaways from the last dance? Give me your take on the last dance by calling triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. That's how you get down on it. We're GONNA take your take on the last eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. You can also tweet me Jason Vince. And let's start with some straight. 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Johnson I like Mardi Gianetti more than Shawn Michaels. I like slash more than actual rose. Richie Sambora over Jon. Bon Jovi like I'm the other Guy Guy so I was all in on Scottie. Pippen last night and so much was revealed about Scotty and where he was at this time with the last dance. Now I'll give you a little bit of context from my mind but I want you to hear what I had to say as they broke down whether or not. They felt bad for Scotty. Pippin after watching last night's episode my Greenberg. Join Max and Stephen to talk all things pippen and the last dance Jerry. I'm not GonNa let him off the hook and the reason why I'm not GonNa let Jerry Reinsdorf off. The Hook is that he's the boss. It was him that worked out the one year. Six million dollar deal fulfil Jackson to come to that last season. Or what have you? He was Jerry Krause's boss. There are exceptions. We understand Scottie. Pippen signed the contract. He was under contract. You could have found a way to take Care Scotty. Pippin better than that. In other words we negotiate the deal and after that I don't WanNa hear it and the B so dog it so hard core their options to every rule and if ever there was an accent he was Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen initials. It was just unfortunate. They're both Jerry. Reinsdorf and Jerry. Krause had to be so dog it air approach to things way that they were Scott. It didn't help that last year. Because Michael was right he was selfish. There is no question about that and that sort of takes the shine off of the that he can put people in this particular situation for ride. Stoff Jerry Krause would've culprits in all of this because they did not have to spend it the way that they did and they chose to anyway just because of their principles in terms of how they do things it was. It was really sad to see that Max Molly to answer your question. Yes I feel. Sorry for Scotty Pippin. He was obviously when Jordan retired for those two years. The second best player in the game to allow Zhuan. He was clearly the second best player in the game. So when Jordan comes back what the third best player of the year a top three player even people who WanNa wrongly argue. He's only top five or something like that. You put your outside the top one hundred. Yes the team. Got a great deal on him. He signed that deal as the documentary. Which by the way is I mean you know the old Eddie Murphy. One store a starving guy a crash on my God. Is this a rinse? But what if you throw a starving guy of filet Mignon? Because that's what we've done here like I know look this is an espn production and here we are ESPN. Oh my God. Just as a basketball fan. I was going nuts last night. Especially you have like L. L. Rockin is the backdrop the soundtrack over Jordan. It was insane but anyway as the documentary made clear Scotty grew up in real poverty so real poverty even by people whose standards are well. I understand this apartment. No this is. This was real poverty and hardship Scottie. Pippen grew up in so when he signs a seventeen million dollar long-term deal. Okay we get it. He's trading some upside for financial security given his background. You understand why he did. It and the team is like okay. We got a team friendly deal. Tough luck how ever there are extenuating circumstances when a guide proves he's an almost not almost an MVP caliber player but he's played like an paid like an also ran and by the way his contract is coming up. You know it's it's not like they needed it for salary. Cap Relief the Bulls word attracting any major free agents there was just Jordan and pippen and CUCO and by that time coach Robin. They had to pay. But they those guys were you know. It's a soft cap. You can escalate their contracts under the CAP because they're already on the team so the fact that they didn't pay pippen is was to play him cheap. I feel bad for them. It should have never gone to that when the store is cursing out to GM on the team bus and the team is doing anything about it because pippen has leverage. You don't want to break that up especially that year. Then there's something wrong something has to be done to remedy it and instead of looking to trade him or otherwise CHAFE under the bad contract. Just just extend it for a couple years. Tear up the deal and give him a new one. Jordan was GONNA get thirty million the next year and Pippen's on two point something come on so sort of the way. The timing worked out with the guys I mean I was there and I can tell you a couple of things about it. Jerry Reinsdorf said to Scotty Pippin when he was signing the deal. Don't sign this. This is not a good contract for you. You don't want to do this. But Scottie. Pippen had a significant didn't just have a back story. He also had a back injury and he was very concerned that it would limit him and they do would actually want to. Having a very short career people forget that he had a serious back injury and there was significant concern that he would wind up. Not being able to play anymore and Jerry. Reinsdorf said if we signed this deal. If you get hurt I still have to pay you all this money which was eighteen million dollars. If you add performance do not come back to me I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz and look to me. Some of this is everybody can be right and wrong in all of it it was obviously in Mike. Greenberg pointed out really smart later this morning. Some of the back injury issues for Scotty. Pippin really motivated somebody. That came from nothing to sign a deal. That may not have been the smartest but he wanted to guarantee his future knowing that frankly he may not have the longest plane that can make a ton of sense at the time that he signed a seven year. Eighteen million dollar deal. It's also fair to say that the Bulls had no idea they were about to achieve the level of dynasty. That they did in fact achieve now. Scotty ended up doing okay. I mean let's let's not get it twisted. He made over one hundred and nine million dollars in his career. So obviously things went. Well obviously it worked itself out. But if you're the Bulls is an organization at some point you're looking at this level of of dining dynastic performance. I think it's also fair to look at the Bulls and say why not reward the players that are doing it just to keep the group together. I think that's one of the things that we really learn to. The process is that the Bulls had no care or concern about trying to keep any level of community around this team as they were trying to accomplish these great things. That was what was really stunning. The other part of this that I have to remind everybody is if you watch this at the time. All of this was very public Scottie. Pippen's contractual issues. The fact that he waited to get the surgery done the fact that it was the last dance. That Phil Jackson and Jerry. Krause had no love loss. These were all well documented and well covered things. It was just a different era of media at the time so we don't obsess about it and we don't remember it the same way because frankly things weren't covered the way they are in the social media world. So that's what the last dance is really going to offer us. I think some element to peek behind the curtain. At some of the things that we remembered but have forgotten and get more detail on it for people that lived it but also to give. I detail on it for people that may never have even realized it was going on. Forget tune into the last dance. It's a behind the scenes. Look at the entire Bulls Dynasty. The ten part series already began last night. You can listen to the RAPA. Podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by state farm available. Wherever you enjoy your podcast the numbers on that were huge for the guys last night too. So congrats to them. What I want your reaction on it. We'll take some of your reaction to just a second triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven six. That's how you get into. Give us your last dance reaction before we get your last answering reaction though. I want to get a little bit of reaction from Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman obviously was a huge part in. We'll be a huge part of the series but he joined. I take to talk specifically about his dealings with Jerry. Krause in the Bulls Front Office and the team dynamics of the dynasty that we watched last night. I never got involved with the fun office at all. In all food Jackson. Scottie Pippen Michael. Join asked me to come to Jerry. Cross his house and asked me. Did I want to join the Chicago Bulls and I said I don't give a damn pretty much in all and I think that I think it was something in the sense where we talked about this a long time ago where I had to say. Go apologize and Scotty which was right or wrong but pretty much after that or heaven the team phone with me and Mike Scotti end up in a and M J so I think Jerry Krause I was there those three years while it was it was something molly it was something. I never heard anything like. I know seen that before and I never really got into the politics of it but I guess I never asked Michael Scott. What is the reason why you guys are so bitter towards management? I asked those guys out there a couple of years. I've figured it out where it would change from because I guess it came from Scotty and I think it really hit the hit the head on the hit the head right there with Phil Jackson when Jerry. Cross eating care we want eighty two games. You're not coming back after her. Feel Judge Moore anything in the world and I think that her Scott it hurt her Michael me. I was just voted for him. I wonder when championship with these guys. And I will go to war when these guys anytime today and it was a sad effect that we could've came back four championship very easily. In light of what? We're seeing on documentary in terms of how. Scott had delayed his surgery and all of that stuff There's a lot of people looking at that right now. And even Michael Jackson Michael Jordan rather was on the record saying you know he was selfish. Is that the way. The rest of y'all viewed Scottie. Pippen that last year was detained at one or two ways because when I came to Chicago Bulls. People didn't know what to expect from me. You know I'm coming in you know kind of hot. You know because San Antonio just got rid of me for pretty much for nobody would have produced straight up. I'm like what the Hell is all about. Sodas can go on a Chicago. I say okay. That's cool and next thing you know when I got there Scotty you know I. I don't know what the tension between him and the management because I never asked for that as for the information but I think there's more were scuttled unappreciated. 'cause if there's west studied piven when Michael Jordan Love Ninety three ninety ninety three ninety four ninety five people was the best player in world appear to know that he led the holy. Let a team in every category every category. It's gotTA got his wings in. One thousand nine hundred ninety one when they beat Detroit Pistons. He got his ways then. He started on a trend from three championship. Michael Scott's GonNa took over the next thing you know. He was the best player in the world. And people don't know that Yeah He. I thought he was second-best Hakim when Jordan West but point. Well taken Dennis. Let me ask you about you and your kind of experience on that Bulls Dynasty. Because I think when they got you is when they just became ridiculous. Like even horace grant tremendous player but in the first three. But would you got ridiculous. You made I remember the quote back. Then you could tell me if this is accurate you said when I was with Detroit. We won championships average. Seventeen boards I made eight hundred grand a year now with the Bulls Dye my hair pink or whatever color. It was same. Seventeen boards winning championships. Eight million a year. What was that like? Being a part of as it was described in the documentary the Beatles I was leading catalyst for that one you know. I will go to go to a hotel and stuff like that. It was like hundreds and thousand people waiting for US outside and I was like warlike Jimi Hendrix. I was that guys. I thought it was a wild child. I was doing my thing you know. Go to hotel bum of accidents in the room. Go to restaurant. Go To a club I think was about hang on all night and then go to the next day. You have a game but I think it was so cool to be a Chicago. Bulls Nabokov Phil Jackson. I mean he was just like to me a Chubby. God called Bill Jackson Moses and Those guys really took me and as you know what we understand what you'll go onto. We understand your game micro say hey does a final piece to the puzzle and the one thing about documentary that you saw Michael Jordan. If you saw Michael Jordan talk about people on our team especially Scottie Pippen toast so holly Scotty Pippin. So highly of it was almost in tears talking my study. But if you saw when When a reporter asked Michael Scottie Pippen Michael Paternity? If you didn't see that he got a Turkey. Say once you go Scotty. What'd you ask Scott and Michael Talk about people? He will all day long. But if you come at Mike Joint. Start asking questions by somebody not talking about him different Michael Jordan which I love Michael Jordan. But it's like if you're going to see me. And they squeak. Point three probably ninety five percent of the time. It is going to be amazing that I ran my own beat. I didn't live a microscope. Shadow I was starting to go to a rebound win championships to win championships demanding also core. I never. I never talked to Mike the Scotty I never did talk. Scott Steve Kerr said that yesterday. You said wow. Dennis number told him no one. I didn't and when we go out to restaurants the same restaurant we would actually create a triangle. We will not even talk to each other in a restaurant. Don't tell you would. Communicate is in a game so it's like wow so next week you'll see the point three. Go See Dennis Rodman Mike Jordan documentary all about that what I did in Chicago. That's our last dance recap brought to you by. At and T. And that's one of the most exciting things about this series. Is it come on with two episodes in? We've gotten a peek behind the front office. We've gotten a peek behind Scotty. Pippin you know. We're going to get more education about Rodman. Were going to get more on Phil Jackson where you get more Michael of course. So that's why this is so incredible for so many I want your take. What's your reaction to the last dance episodes one and two triple eight say? Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. That's going to Mitchell in Cincinnati Mitchell. What's your what's your reaction to the last dance and Fantastic doing doing great man. How are you give me your reaction? What's up doing well? Oh my number one reaction. Obviously I'm twenty three not really keeping track balls dynasty as I should because about good there were but the one stats where we got hit. Been at two to two points rebounds So Melton one one one. That shows is Salary on that definitely just struck me as debashish number two all the time as they explained. Oh yeah next to your take on it you know. I think it was said today on. I take to get maximum. Couldn't afforded that you said when when Jordan left the league pippen was the second best player in the NBA. At that point behind behind. Lajoie on you know so we just forget about not only was he the best number. He was only the best number two because he was on a team. Where Michael You know? And so obviously that helps him. But it's interesting Mike in Atlanta. What's your take. What was your reaction? How do you look Scotty Pippin I? I know you couldn't foresee the future. But she don't let nobody tunnel contract like that. It had no renegotiation calls and that's basically what happened. You know I mean and think about my thanks for your call on it and think about just in general today's NBA Culture. Like we are so used to now a player insane. No I'm not gonNA play for that. No I'm not gonNA play for you. It's just become part of life but at that time it was never done that way so when Scott. He's having this really public debate and this public argument with the Front Office. I mean I think we at this point. Understand the position of Scotty Moore because we're so used to at this point watching MBA players. Stand up and say I won't stand for that. I wanted to get your take on that on the last day. So what's your reaction to it episodes one and two triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six you can also tweet me at Jason Fitz. You can give us your take your reaction to the last dance. We'RE GONNA keep breaking down the left sense but we're also only days away from the NFL draft so we gotta get a little bit of that and it's coming up this week the NFL draft is Thursday. I take strap bullets today. Took a look at one of the most important teams in the NFC and what they'll do in the draft. You'll hear that next I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz brought to you by my computer career training for a better life presented by progressive insurance. You guys get to chime in. We're taking your take on the last dance. I want your reaction to the last dance. Got Episodes One and two. Everybody's enamored with it. Obviously we took a look at episodes one and two. We got a little peek behind the scenes. Right away on Jerry. Krause who is running the Bulls Organization and some of the issues that the players had with the front office. And you know some cringe. Worthy moments is the stars essentially belittle cross in every opportunity but crossed then seemingly turned around and let his ego get in the way of so much that was just a peek behind it episode to give so much of the behind the scenes of Scottie Pippin Denis Rodman was on with I take today revealed that we're GonNa see more of Rodman and episode three so I want your reaction to a triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six before we get back to your reaction though we do. WanNa get into a little bit of draft talk here. Obviously the first day guys in the team had been taking a look at different drafted teams. Looking forward is their draft. Blitz segment has given us a peek behind the curtain at what they're expecting from different teams. Today's team that they took a look at one of the ones that we can't talk enough about the Philadelphia Eagles now. The Eagles are in a really interesting spot in the draft. Because we're they're picking really it's GonNa divide sort of their opportunity to get another weapon. Are they going to be able to get one of the top wide receivers what do they want for Carson Wentz? When the guys took a look at the eagles particularly the question was do the Eagles owed Carson Wentz any new players in order for him to be successful. Maxon Stephen Aid talked about that today. Oh it Carson. Wentz gave him one of the biggest contracts and football so that he could help. Carry that offense. The great quarterbacks like Donovan mcnabb even years where they don't have stuff can get you to the playoffs and usually invest it's not what Carson Wentz did last year get help get them to the playoffs in the weakest division maybe in the history of football by the way and everyone he beat down the stretch when everyone was lauding how great. He was down the stretch every team. He beat another. Nfc East quarterback looked better in that in right around then against that same team and these were rookies like Daniel Jones who were looking better than Carson Wentz against those same team's terrible teams by the way Carson Wentz has has the ability to be an MVP. He's shown it in flashes but was way too inconsistent last year. Should they draft wideout? Sure to be a good idea. Even though injury was really the problem last year. If Sean Jackson can play obviously he's very motivated for twenty. Twenty Alshon Jeffery he'll be traded. Maybe not maybe they'll draft receiver. Steven probably is a good idea. Why not but this is a team that is healthy is kind of loaded and paid the quarterback a a whole lot of money to get it done it's on Carson Wentz to get it done. The team does it. Oh him a wideout. I completely disagree with you. First of all pay attention to the sport that we're talking about here. It's not like basketball even though you still need a team no matter what sport. You're playing a team sport. You can take the ball and say to hell out the way. Give it to me. I'll take you the quarterback can't do that. You gotTA throw a ball. Somebody's got to run the routes and catch the ball and it has to be receiver or your tight end when you bring up Donovan mcnabb. I'll remind you that in two thousand four when they hundred the Super Bowl who was his receiver that would happen to be Tara lowest now. He wasn't available for the playoffs because he got injured near the end of the regular season but he was playing lights out during that regular season what ultimately propelled them to the Super Bowl. They had guys that were relative. No names like the top. Pinkston of the World Freddie Mitchell's the eljay Smith of the World Chad Lewis's of the world. I get all of that but then brothers had been playing Donovan mcnabb. There was a cohesiveness cohesion. Togetherness that they had they were familiar with one another so they were able to overcome. It also helped along by an elite defense led by Jimmy Johnson defensive coordinator who was blitz and all day every day and just wreaking havoc throughout the national foot the national football conference in the end however it still came down. When you looked at the Philadelphia Eagles were really really propelled them because of the regular season that they had was the acquisition of terrel. Owens we can't ignore that if you're if you're Carson Wentz right now does Shawn. Jackson was hurt last year. You gotta get him healthy obviously Nelson Aga- law is gone. You're looking at them. They desperately need a receiver definitely think they needed to buffer their defense but they did that in a secondary which was ranked one thousand nine hundred gets passed by acquiring Daria sleep more. So than the kill Roby Coleman. I'm thinking about Dairy Asli and what he can bring to the table and I think that's going to be an upgrade compared to what they had last year but ultimately now it's about Carson Wentz have receivers. They dropped passes. Dan Alaska was on the show with us. Max last season any. He highlighted at least three to four games that the eagles lost because dropped passes at key pivotal moments. We can't ignore that. We gotta pay attention to that. Cost a wins can do a lot of things like a Lotta NFL. Quarterbacks can do what you cannot do is throw the football to yourself and catch your own passes. Somebody's gotTa do that for you. And the Eagles gotTA help them out in that regard. I say your Gig on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz and yes obviously I think we can all look at the wide receiver position but we can also take a look at it and say. Hey if there's anybody right now that that has the opportunity to trade down I mean. There's several teams. I think you're going to do that. But the Eagles we'll have the opportunity to get wide receivers wherever they really want. This is such a deep wide receiver draft. They'll be able to get there. They'll be able to get that need filled really whenever they need to so I look at the Eagles is a team that will address weapons and they will find weapons for Carson Wentz. But let's see where it goes by the way self a selfless shameless. Self promotion here. I do believe that Meena guys myself. Mike golic junior field. We're going to be coming back with some more draft coverage for you this year. We're still working out some of the details on the House and wise where I believe you're going to be able to find some of that content the ESPN APP and twitter and Youtube. All those places. We're still working out details. But we'll find a way to get you in the loop if you missed it last year. One of the proudest things I think we've done and one of the most fun things we've done was covering the draft as a group so that coverage will come back. We're still working out what it looks like. It means I'm I take your take. Get your reaction to the last dance episodes one in to. What did you think what what stood out to you? Jared in Pennsylvania. What is you got? What's your last dance reaction? I think this affects that. No kids my age. Twenty twenty one twenty two never really saw Michael Play never really lived through it or getting like this inside about it. Another thing though. I mean we're getting this whole inside on Jerry. Krause I saw today was mistress walk from spaceships based off Jerry. Krause made me laugh really hard but I think that we have to pay attention to one thing specifically. I'M NOT SAYING THAT JERRY. Krause was the reason that you know Michael Jordan. Skype is one of those things. Were great but there were six constant throughout that entire run. Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippen Phil Jackson Jerry. Reinsdorf JERRY KRAUSE TEX winters. The only six that were concentrated every championship team. So well yeah. There was obviously some tension between ownership and front office and the players instill and everything. I think that we do need to give Jerry. Cross his credit where it's due even though has not you know. Come into ninety eight saying it's going to be sales last year. Maybe we'll be dead another title. Run-in ninety nine. Maybe even get a match up of checking Kobe against the Bulls Ninety nine. We we don't know but I think that in terms of Jerry Krause not getting the credit he deserves. He definitely deserves more. But I think it was pointed out very well that he was desperate to get more credit. Which when you have Michael Jordan to do well and that's a great take by the way I think we gotta give credit and blame. So I'M GONNA give Krause Credit for building a dynasty aggressively and then crowds takes the blame for tearing it apart aggressively and you can look at the beginning to your points in next to the call when you look at the acquisition of Scottie Pippen. That took a big trade in. And if you're a Seattle Supersonics Fan at the time you're thinking about it now. You know you look back at that if if you look back. The whole trajectory of the franchise in that moment. What's that mean? Plus aggressive trades to go out and get the horace grant so the world that they needed aggressive trades to go out and trading. Charles Oakley was documented in this as an aggressive move so you can look across the plane and say hey it was aggressiveness. That helped build the Bulls Dynasty. But it's also ego that helped ripped it apart. Got One tweet here. That said Best Line of both episodes. Please send more stamps. Love that love that. Take as as Michael Jordan row back to his MOM and ask for stamps is just shows you how how far. Michael Jordan came in a ray in Florida. What was your reaction to the last dance? Jason Great Job Very very very entertaining. But I I I saw what I found most entertaining and I don't think it matters school. What demographic of fan you were back. Then it's only been what twenty four years but the most Entertaining the most The most enjoyable thing the most emotional thing for me was examining the actual true relationships that existed Between whether it be players like Rodman and And Jordan who never never spoke with finding out. I mean that's to me personally so shocking now. It's so shocking. 'cause we're we're believing during that time period that certain norms existed and we attach it again. I said it doesn't really matter. What demographic or how old you are back then that seeing it now. It's like wow what a change how unbelievable I mean. We can start to talk about full and things like that. That aren't that's the wrong word. We can start to talk about what success in a very intelligent way but we do so now knowing. The dynamics of some of these relationships was so so different than all the fan regardless of demographic or even background necessarily. I'm a former drug That Wow that's really the way. It was unbelievable. Yeah thanks for your take. I mean I think that's the part and again I'll go back to. We knew I think all of us watching back at the time knew it was dysfunctional. But when you see it and you just you hear the way that the players were speaking to the management showed you how dysfunctional it was and just the overall just felt awkward an awkward intense and imagine winning to that level in that level of tension and trying to figure out the line between the respecting the players in their work. But also Jerry. Krause feeling like you're getting enough credit for all of it and and how much credit in the need for credit sort of changed everything. Stephen said I think it was Stephen. Eight today said I take. You know it won't point. Hey how's that rebuilding working for you? You know the the want to move away to start to rebuild. Is something that I think. Bowles vans will always look back at that and say why not get one more year of a triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. We're going to keep taking your reaction to the last dance but when we come back we're going to continue the NFL draft discussion. Mel kiper join. I take had plenty to say about the draft just a couple of days away. You'll hear from him next. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty an ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by progressive. Insurance Raskin you guys. What's your reaction to the last dance episodes one and two you can give us your reactions. Your take triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six row. Well from New Orleans Buddy. What was your take on on the last dance. Last night I thought the last two episodes. I showed great ducks into the series. I think it really shows True competitive competitiveness and fire -ness of Michael Jordan. And it basically breaks down the whole Scottie. Pippen Saga I thought it was just a refreshing watch between all the things going on in the world today and I look forward to more episodes. Thanks for your take on it. I think you're absolutely right to like we were all. I'm interested to see what the ratings were because it felt like the world was watching us. I our today's show. Go check it out. It's on demand in the first. Take your take podcast brought to you by capital one. Why settle for average per capita one? You can open a savings account with five times the national average. Welcome to baking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One and a member? Fdic the other thing that has a captive audience will be the NFL draft just a couple of days away. Mel kiper joined. I take talked about the Wunderlich scores and said they'll have zero effect on the lowest draft stock l. to the Wunderlich scores released to scored a nineteen. Which is considered low. Richard Sherman's tweeted about it like. Ll If people really knew how this work no one cares. Nevertheless Brady had a thirty three even peyton manning who didn't have such a High School. I think it was mid High Twenty S. What does this mean for two draft stock? Nothing zero because I can give you about ten names guys that are hall of Famers. Pro bowlers and greatest of all time. It has a score right around. Patrick Mahomes was what twenty four? So the me look at Brett Farr with Jim Kelly Dan Marino list goes on and on of guys and I can give you a guys had great scores that were complete bus than the NFL in the first round. So it's a way you read and see the field and the decisions you make and all that on the football field is important more important than anything wonder. Like why's looking Mark Jackson? He's taken league by storm. The he had a lower score than what they say to did so to me. It's nothing. It's about durability it's not necessarily the hip and we'll be able to stay healthy has nothing to do with the Wunderlich. As the if in fact he does get past that fish sticks pick and gets into the middle of the first round like some of suggested I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. This is reminded that it's time for certain things to be updated. I mean there's been a real conversation about why we do. Forty yard dashes for different positions. And does it really matter what? What's the point in purposes so many combine drills? Well as you just heard from Mel Kiper. Who's more plugged in than most when it comes to the draft under like has no value? So why do it? Why are we doing something? That has absolutely no value in judging quarterbacks and all of this comes back to a bigger issue here which is right now. I feel like we are getting a massive amount of misinformation onto a chunk of a low and all that does all the negative news does is make me think more that he's GonNa go. Hi Now. I'll admit last year last year. I sat there and said Daniel Jones. No way he's going to the giants just won't happen and you know. The reaction to his pick in the first round of the draft actually became one of the viral sensation from our broadcast. Last year is meaning essentially collapsed. In the moment of it. We all saw it. We all remember we all talk about it. I understand there are variables in the draft and sometimes this misinformation is real but when it comes to. This is all about health. And if you're comfortable with health somebody's GonNa take him incredibly high any presumption that he drops to me makes zero sense the route all when you have a quarterback. They can play as well as he can play. It only takes one team deciding that his hip is worth the risk. It takes one team talking to team doctors from the titans that have examined him. It takes one team looking at it and saying I'm going to do that. And we all know that team is going to jump ahead of the dolphins because they don't WanNa give the dolphins to choice. If you're interested into a chunk of a low of frankly for me I'd be stunned if to a makes it to the fifth overall pick in the draft. Espn radio presented by progressive. His home insurance. Get your quote. Ed Progressive Dot com today. Obviously don't forget you can check out the NFL draft here on ESPN. We'll be doing broadcast with the NFL network. Trey Wingo will be leading that ship and you don't WanNa miss it going to be great coverage coming through if there's anything we learned from the last dance? It's sometimes just watching things about sports. Give us the normalcy. We're craving so much so we're going to keep that draft conversation going because Cuba continued. Took a look at the Carolina. Panthers we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA dive into that. Plus more last dance reaction. That's all coming up next. I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news.

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"Out. That's his third travel of the night. Normally I get on this case for being a complete knobs. But tonight I'm chilling Stephen what's gotten into you. I know usually I'd be off a right now. But I gotta tell you this vivid seats thing has got me completely changed a one hundred percent authentic. And I got these great seats yesterday when a vivid seats at stress-free. Wait. What are you doing? You put mayo on my hotdog. What's the matter with you? There's the old Stephen we know. Welcome. We are live from the rose city look at those bridges, look at the arena. Everyone is hyped here to go having a little fun outside before the action starts inside. Damian Lewis in the building, too. And man, he is trying to use these playoffs to reverse what has been a long road of heartbreak for the city of Portland and the blazers he's added again tonight. But it's a lot take a look. Portland is a franchise has been snake bitten by all kinds of devastating injuries. Her only one. This people are still angering Portland selects Sam buoy university of Kentucky, the Chicago Bulls. Pick Michael Jordan, Portland trailblazers select way, Odin from Ohio State. The Seattle SuperSonics select Kevin Durant. They're angry themselves for hoping. Angeles Lakers have come from behind to win the Western Conference championship games. Number three seed has been never sixteen. We just know where about ourselves don't play hard. We'll stay together. Three. I looked at Portland as legitimate team. He takes the three. Puree that is big rollers house. Lasers leave. As a little bit of room. He's a about eighty dollars. Dribbles hasn't nearly knocked his ass has it stripped out of his head game. We'll Golden State take. They to nothing serious leans back the Portland per game. Three. Welcome into the jump takeover of sports center. I am Rachel Nichols. I am here with six time champion and former trailblazer Scottie Pippen and current trailblazer use of merkich. Thanks for sitting here with us today. I know blazers fans out there like why are you gotta show that stuff? What why why why Sambuc? Why are you bringing all this stuff back because the point about this blazers team? Is it is the depths of heartbreak and the bad decisions and the suffering, and being able to come back from that and the resiliency that's what has made this playoff run this spring, so sweet. And you are one of the guys who they were counting on for this postseason, and that devastating injury when you broke your leg about ten games before the playoffs started, but your team has fought back in a way that frankly no one outside this building expected, and you have been amazing. We thought you'd be on crutches. Now, you're walking rich. How are you able to do this just? Obviously, I got injured and nobody want to see any major league sports. But it's happened. So I'm just trying to stake day by day and go from there. I mean they come back when you went down that night, I know the mood around this team. I mean you are so loved on this team. Everyone was very emotional about you and it was such a devastating injury. Scotty the night he went down hopes were not high of Portland wasn't high. And you know, it's the prising to see that the blazers have gotten this far without this young man. But I gotta ask him. How does it feel for you knowing that, you know, you could really help this blazer team right now? What is it like sitting there knowing that you could be the game changer? It strays. I mean just to be to know how much you can help team and how much you make every everybody better and how much joy playing with everybody there. And I think, you know, everything had from reason. When visting having I think everybody kind of face more reality, I should be blessed to play in this lives. Take the best of playoffs. And I think everybody came together, and I'm really proud of how they handle the place through those three tiers. CJ mccollum. Come and tap on the shoulder as we went here, and it's the way your teammates have made you part of this run. And you haven't turned inspired them. You came to the court unexpectedly during that Oklahoma City series. You walk in here. No one thought you weren't really allowed to be here. Right. Because they won't worried that someone was going to run into your leg if you were on the bench, you were sitting at home. It's the third quarter. And you just said, I got to be with my gosh, right? I was in college watching TV in game and you know in the first couple couple of weeks. He's just. You can really it's hard to watch basketball again and I was watching the game. And, you know, kinda slow Rina's here. Need a little bit just blow out everything, and I would like I asked my girlfriend basically long how fast you can be. She's life fast or how long and we get ready. And by the time I decided was to get ready. It was like four minutes to go in third quarter. It's crazy. And I know the game going to be long very long and not try to, you know, I still have twenty five minute drive from my home. Arena. If even if I'm not making, I'm gonna meet that locker room and give them sporting just you know what I am as a person, and so few and with like two minutes. I'm like we down ten. Sounds like ongoing now there. Close to the locker room watching. So I'm sure up and everything else. You guys know what happens. The arena went absolutely crazy. The fact that you are such an important part of this team that just walking in the building can change the momentum for a game. You're not even playing in speak so much to you, and how close your teammates are. And frankly, I think the shirt you were wearing that night had something to do with it. I'm just going to say can we show that because you have never been shy about the trash talk about standing up for yourself and your teammates? And you were shirt that night, she does the jackets closed, but we'll see it in a minute. It says got bricks. That would be a Russell Westbrook reference, just in case nobody aware of that. Can you tell me why you're you? We're getting ready. So quick. I got put this year actually my friend make mature the night before. But, you know, talking to myself, and to doctors and everybody would like, no don't go. So just in case, you know, something on the have in my mind, and I have have to have something, but then when when, when you just look in our team that you're such a great group of guys. There's nobody like you know Draymond green player. You know, some somebody who can turn around energy or turn around whatever we played that out there. We can, you know, chain the read them? So I think for us when we play with eggs and little bit. You know, something really support ship now non-sport thing, so now I never tried injury anybody or something like that. But I feel when we play with added we pretty good team in tough to handle. So that's what I've tried to bring even you know, even I'm not playing. It's really difficult for me, but I understand I'm gonna come back. So he's not like I'm done twenty four years old -solutely, man. No. I mean you've seen Paul George comeback from a very similar injury, and he was in the MVP conversation this year. So you can definitely come back as I said, CJ tapped him on the shoulder as he was out here, that might be partly because they're tight, but also partly because can we show I'm not gonna make get up. We took it a shot earlier the jacket that Nerkez wearing today is amazing. That's the back of it. Tapped him on the back. I mean he's he's put them on the throat. You're ready. You're ready forgave it throws. Course similar to what your girlfriend asks, you, are what you as you girl. How long is it going to take you to get ready? To get there. I gotta ask you have the doctor's giving you a timetable as to how long before you can get back on the court to be honest. There's no timetable. And I don't want to. And feel. Every injury, I have my last I came earlier, rarely that I talk, and I should. So this one is going to be really approach the long run, what I should do for best for me team. And now. No, you know, you can see like she said about the be jeans or table. And then there's example. So I can reach out and see what's going on. But I definitely I'm different. Heavier, I'm bigger and stronger. Hopefully, I can come back even stronger than that. So for me just set up big all this stuff, and I'm not gonna looking forward to it. I'm gonna looking day by day and you know, see worth taking me, then bigger heavier and stronger, right? Before we went on the air, I had to tell Scotty, your back story, if you guys don't know it out there, Narco up in Bosnia. His father is a very large man, also, you know, the, the jeans he's about six foot eleven about four hundred pounds. He's a police officer and in the line of duty he subdued I think of ten or eleven people at a big bar fight. That was getting out of control. It made the newspaper that this man did all of this handedly and a sports agent in Bosnia contacted him and said, do you have any sons? Someone with physical makeup. I can teach to play basketball and here you are in the NBA through. I mean that fact is just to be able to start playing basketball through nine two thousand four hundred fifteen three in NBA just tremendous experience and through the injury just to be able to play sports and different levels to be pro and be with the best. Just can get about ten years after that bar fight, you're here. And I know you're gonna make a difference for these guys tonight. They didn't have you the first two games, Golden State. They got you tonight. Thanks so much for staying with us. We really appreciate you buy at Steph curry guys is in the building. So the warriors side is getting ready as well. We will be discussing some of that when we get back, we got our distant replay today. Also look at him. He's like I'm chill. I got the headphones on up to go on on the road. Our district replant the bucks coming up as well. I'll thank you. John us. And Kobe Bryant on this date in nineteen ninety eight. Let's go. The fact that he's been a second. Number eight Kobe is day four Toby. What makes things so difficult down stretch when you guys off, I think is just a maker mislead at open three. I missed and floater Emmys at a switch remind I missed. I think he's making sleep. CJ's kind of the star that clip let's not kid ourselves. Make man is the star of that clip. Thank you for going out and doing some work for our jump producers and getting the players to say it's a maker Bill. All. CJ for missing alive. So he had to say. Flee civic man is covering the placers during this series back with Scottie Pippen, and in fact, guys, it's a maker, miss leak. Where do you go from here? Why when you go from here? I'm going to Toronto game theory. Okay. I think we're sleeping Huber. I think he makes jokes like this. And we want to turn. We don't catch. I don't know. I think we've got his sense of humor pretty much. It is very dry. Yes. Dry sense of humor as a player, you can have that dress as a humor, I think he gets some time you get a little irritated with the media s you the same place in, in that question is what do you go? Now is you know four player losing a game. You don't really have an answer for that. He now he's going to Toronto the truth. But Nick, Kamen Steph curry told the athletic before game too, that the warriors are definitely not a better team with Kevin Durant out there. But they are harder to guard the resurfaced as an I g mean and Katie commented on it saying, hell no. All right. Scott to use it kind of a version of yesterday and studio. I agree with style. Yes, because they are they're they're a team. They're moving. They're cutting their setting back pigs in allow Steph and clay to get a variety of shots, while this mitt rains layup on threes. What do you think about the fact that Katie chimed in? I mean not surprising. He is sensitive, a social media presence, as we have in the NBA. And I understand what you're saying Scott what sets point is, but they're not they're not a harder. Gar team when they don't have this freakishly guy. Guy. Yeah. One of the best words of all time also say that Kevin Durant was in Stephen Jackson's iky comments yesterday to positive way, by the way, he was agreeing with Jack Jack but that is if you want to know what katie's doing right now. Check your feed. Miss Hogue first bucks possession. You on his grab in the board and slams home, the put back then the next rafters possession gets all by looking at beats everyone down there. Right. And then, oh, I'm sorry, Marcus. Oh, you are gonna make that shot. No was this over and forty five seconds, basically have we seen the story of the game? Is snarling early. There's trouble that Yana snarl is a sure sign that things are going really poorly. Scotty. That's a you play out there both ends. I mean he'd be really made his stamp on the game early on that last few games saw them build a wall. He owned the paint. The first two plays Australia. By the way, if is it not the euro step is that the euro step, what are we? I mean, come on. Hero style. You can roll with that. I can roll that he obviously went to this because they were blocking off some of his normal stuff. I know the rafters felt that he was traveling on some of these plays started complaining to the league. But this isn't his game right. They would call the euro steps. We're going to run it back because that's what we'd like to do here on the job. And at blue play the music because this music is something that I I'm gonna make this. My iphone ring Yang is top Eurosteps gyro never three versus the clippers two thousand eight. Oh, I'm sorry. I just put this year thing. When this guy is coming in two thousand he'll. There's nothing you can do one. Two thousand sixteen versus the Pacers just getting better and better. You have to go forward, by the way, you can see these clips, I was put on muscle over the this one's from two thousand sixteen to surge back might be having nightmares. Steph slam with the left. Ridiculous. Give that man VP. I think we're going to have that Jews. We are here at the Western Conference finals in Portland voodoo donuts for you. We had those, by the way at our ESPN trailer earlier today, those are lethal is all I'm saying to you. And now I want to give you a little bit of a recap here as we look on the court, we at Newark on the show, the first segments got we're talking about how close he is with his teammates. You can see that they're right? I've played in the city and the bond that the players are able to create here because of atmosphere because of these van being sort of the only game in town. It, it makes for the players to really come together and bond because these fans really get behind year. I think that's so interesting. Because talking to Damon CJ they've said to me, like, hey, we're up here in Oregon, just have that feeling that they're in a little separate place for the rest of the country views a very special place. That's so awesome. And I love seeing those guys you can see it on their faces. The bucks have a little bit of that as well. Milwaukee. Right. There's there's no football team there. That's up the. Wrote a few hours, so they have that, and you could see in game one that really coming together, Tim. They are ten and one this postseason. They are now more than ninety percent favorite to advance to the finals. So we kind of feel that tide is turning that way. But my question is, are you buying all the bucks stock now because in the first round against Detroit? Let's not kid ourselves. They didn't have Blake Griffin in that series. It was basically bucks over in three didn't even need to win the fourth game in the second series people really credited, the Celtics falling apart more than they did the bucks winning that series. So now that they're beating Kurai and the rafters, which is considered one of the deeper teams in the NBA is that finally going to give them the respect that if they do get to those finals, the people think they could give the team that comes out of the series real fight. Again. I mean you're talking about the best defensive teams in the NBA maybe the best player in the league right now. And then just a bunch of guys. Why think complement Janas so well and fit their roles perfectly. You don't see one superstar teams really very often as a threat to win a championship. But I think the bucks aren't exceptions. Yeah. And I think this is the first in a long time I was selling a friend today. Like even looking back in the bulls eye runs in the nine is it was myself. Michael Horace Grant myself. Michael Dennis Rodman. You went with LeBron with. Wait sold. But to see what John is doing, and I'm not going to camp, Chris Miller j now that's not being and all star in this game, a one time also to see him be able to do this without those superstars alongside is pretty amazing. And I think the way that they play the way they're all things execute. They will get either one of these things that good wrong. I mean man, I'm excited to see what they can do on the bigger and bigger stage. Yeah. This went into these playoffs saying, we just want to want a serious. I've never even done that at all the sudden they are now very close to propelling themselves to an NBA finals Tim while you're here, though, I want to get to the team, you cover so much of the time, the Houston Rockets a little bit of a surprise move today. They fired their defensive coordinator chief defensive assistant coach Jeff the Delic. And what makes this even weirder is that, of course, he was considered a key to their run last season. He retired in the summer a little bit of a surprise there. Went back to West Virginia, with his family. The rockets. Hunted him down across the country to bring him back a month and a half into the season because they were struggling so much. They paid him a lot of money, I understand, to come back, and then what six months later. They're like. Yeah. Never mind by include his contract was up. So he's didn't renew the contract. But, you know, my understanding is he was going to seriously, consider retirement again, and they didn't necessarily want to go through this saga, but it to me, it's strange when Tillman for Tita says he's going to do everything he can to put them in the best position when a championship to me. You're trying to recruit, Jeff as you're trying to convince him to stay because he came back and did his job from the all-star break on. They were. One of the best defense teams in the NBA, so this does not make sense. It's not following up, what for Tita promised to the fans player. Scotty, and this guy has been the key to organize a your defense for the past two seasons. How do you feel what he's done while you don't feel good? But I think you have to look a little deeper, ended to this and say, hey, maybe there's a problem with a player this fine into what? So I don't know. I mean you get the best of coordinated you expect players learn and be better on those team in on the floor. And we say that they were better under his management. But you know they weren't that good this year. The interesting to see what the players think about it. That's a great point. Interesting to see how Mike Antoni reacts all of this now, new little, something for you with jump on sportscenter little courtside, roulette producers. See who they've got for us. They're going to just jukebox us and see what's going on. I think who's come on show, got Damian Lillard. There you go. All right. So therefore Scotty, I'm going to ask you about Damian Lillard who's warming up behind us. What does he have to do differently in game three because they are trapping him? They're sending double teams. There's an a triple teams. And we saw Andrei go Dallas stripped him at the end when he had that chance to win the game. Think Damon has inserted himself into the game a little bit more offensively better in the half court. I think he's he's playing too much of a fifty foot game in half court situation. The warriors have pushed their offense all the way up to the half court and also I think he needs to speed the game. I think he's a lying. The warriors defense to set up on possessions, working utilizing their transition. And I think he's gonna find himself getting some better offense and even maybe half in his team made more. But when you allow the warriors to set off, and they're, they're looking at you, and they got five dollars guys there and you got Draymond Andrei. Equal dollar really spearhead net. They're very tough to school. You're talking about. You're talking about some of the best defenders in the league, right? And Andre his seat, everything, everything. So he knows how to attack demand. I talked to Damian a bit before game two and then again afterward he is he's frustrated, and he feels like he's not been able to get space that he wants frustrated with some of the foul calls that he feels aren't getting whistled if your player with that mindset, and every coach is telling him, I'm sure what you just said. What do you have to change mentally to actually do, it actually get the space against a guy like Hunchback Dala who's trying to push you to have? Well, I'm saying he had started. This game out pushing the ball in this, and I have not seen him pushing the ball in transition trying to get early offense. And if you out this warriors team that set up then he's not going to get good shots. He's going to be trying to get to the bucket from fifty feet out, basically half-court situation. So he had to change in order to get a change. You've got to be willing to change. Tim, thank you so much for, with us bringing us a little Houston knowledge and a little blazers knowledge we'll see a little bit later in this series. We have an Oregon hero, Sabrina UNESCO is coming to sit with us on the jump. I am so thrilled to welcome her in. I know everyone in this building has loved seeing her play. They're thrilled. She's coming back to school, and she will be with us next. Stay tuned. This is sportscenter full jump flavor though, we'll be back. Welcome back to sports better with the jump on the scene. You see that name up there Scottie Pippen, and the trailblazers hall of fame. It is fun to be back in the building with Scotty, I'm such a groupie. I love that you decided to stuff by Oregon's own Sabrina in nascar's. Thank you so much for being here. She was a sensation all season and of course, the NC double A tournament. And you people were just mourning the fact that they expected. Hey, she's gonna leave. She's finished up. You you've actually finished college, right? You graduated. Even the you have when you were left eligibility, they were ready to see you go to the WNBA, and there were tears of joy all over the state. Why did you announce that you were going to come back to Oregon? I feel like I had some business that I had to take care of losing in the final four last year. Last season wasn't easy. I love my team. I love the state of Oregon, the university. So I'm excited to you back for my senior year. And you know how they treat the teams around here. Love of the fans the great a great state. Liam treat them like oh, the professional team. Yes, he's going to Oregon field might as pointy and everything. And you know the the fans here Assam series, CS being treated, like sees playing professional teams. Absolutely. Now the fans of you are blazers fans you on the other hand, I'm not a blazers fan. I'm going to tell you right now. Please open this lovely jeans jacket. You have our director cat. He's gonna get you one screed. Oh, yes. Yup. Why are you a warriors fan laid out grew up in the bay area loved him when they weren't very good when I was younger, and now they're great and solve a warriors fan, but of course love the Portland trailblazers when they're not playing. I want you to speak for all warriors fans because it has been a split in the fan base, especially over the last week. Or so there are fans who love this version of the warriors without Kevin Durant. They feel like they're getting their throwback team from two thousand fifteen sixty and then there are fans who say, are you kidding me? Of course we want the best player in the game back, which camper you in. I mean I can't I can't really say the games completely different when he's on the floor. He's one of the greatest players of all time, but they're playing differently but they're playing really well without him. They pay really well with them you enjoy one style more than the as long as they win. It doesn't matter to me, whether he's playing or not. I hope he gets healthy. And back out there, of course. Yeah, I've slept with Steph curry said, by the way, I asked him which one he enjoyed. He's like, I like winning the I'm good with the winning. Right. I mean players are like that. To this stuff. It's your favorite player on the warriors saying. Who in the NBA do you had in your game afterwards from WNBA or the NBA? I don't think I have. I don't think I have one I loved watching John Stockton. When I was younger, I love watching, you know, Steph curry Katie LeBron. I just love watching a lot of players and picking after their games taste, John, Stockton more than once you understand what a problem that was great. And of course, Brian, I know that you admire him as well and he dedicated one of his detail episodes, just to you. I wondered if you watched it. I watched it a lot of times, sometimes if this laying in bed at night, and I'm like, let me just re watch it and see what he's saying. I watch all of them. Now all the ones that he does on on the NBA players. He just came out with what about Jay Mon and I just love watching everything he has to say, was there, one piece of advice or something, he said about you on that, that you think is going to change your game for next season. I do. I mean, just how he told me I needed to get open better and wrap my foot around the defender instead of letting them push me out past three point line. So kind of taking my stance and learning, what I need to do with my fee, is something that I'm definitely gonna take in the next year. She's going to be even more dangerous people get ready. Well, we had used in the first segment of the show. I know him being in the building tonight. You've seen it right. The electricity when he walks in people get right? You being in the building tonight. I know is going to get people here hyped as well. So. Absolutely. Thank you so much for being with us. We really appreciate it. You guys stick with us coming up. We're gonna get Scottie Pippen talking about all his trailblazers memories from playing in this town. And you know they're good wants to stick with us. Sportscenter little joke flavor. We'll be back. Welcome back to sports center, the Western Conference finals jump crew is here. And so is Steph curry just ran out onto the court guts. Cheers guys, which tells me that their fans in the house. But we know what the environment is like in this building. The blazers fans literally, the loudest. Absolutely. And in fact, guys Steph told me he's a little worried about his parents in this Rita in this game. Because, of course, you know, they've been wearing the split jerseys for him, and his brother Seth. But he said that he would go to his habit of looking up into the stands after he scored. Any felt that, you know, his parents were there never was cheering around that. But all of that, and he thought with all the blazers fans here being around his parents. Maybe they wouldn't be cheered. So loud for them. It was like, yeah, I'm, I'm a little frayed to even look up there. Maybe they won't be Riddick for as much. Just watch his brother. Seth he goes through almost the exact same dribbling routine. Nobody know any attention. Raised by the same unbelievable. Now, there's so much energy in the building tonight. I know the blades those are down. Oh too. But people are so thrilled to have another conference finals here because guys. Eight has been since the year two thousand nineteen years since there is a conference finals games played in this building the last one Mr. Scottie Pippen's, blazers one game six against the L A Lakers. We're not even gonna talk Scotty. But how the series ended we're just gonna stop time here. What remember about? Because looked exactly the same. I sent does was great. You know, just playing in from these fans and getting to a point where, you know, they hadn't been in a while I guess, probably since still we played the blazes of the bulls in the finals. It was great for me to come here, and sort of read juvenile my career in from these fans different way. Right. Because I covered your late bulls. Teams. Right. That second three peat and especially by nine hundred ninety eight I have never seen to this day, anything like it every arena. You guys went to it was the rockstar show came to town and people talked about the warriors run in two thousand sixteen seventy three wins being similar it really wasn't because that was Michael Jordan, and you after you had already won five rains, right? It was insane. I had never been around something like that. And for you to go to that kind of pressure and attention to up here, Portland where he it really deep team with you. What was that switch like I'll tell you pressure playing here. The big insecure go. But I've wanted to win more than anything just the fans the support that they give you night in and night out and knowing that, you know, you're the only show in town and the energy that they put into this team night in night out win those they're the same fans and it was it was great boss. Aw to, to give it that run. But we, we did short. Sure. Not gonna talk about game seven six. That was fun, guys. Right. Great great teammates here. Get little jump ball for you tonight, because we get the odor unders Utah. Steph curry warming up just a minute ago and his brother, sat well force death the over under tonight. I'm points and assists. Combined is thirty seven and a half. Do you think that might hit thirty seven and a half on the points alone? You taking the over the counter. Dog I expect the blazes to do a better job on him. The last couple of games. I mean he's been on fire could go even fathering go into the Houston series. So I spent him to play better at home. I agree with the hall of Famer I'm going to go under two. I think steps do for a little bit of a cool off. Now, I've said it heels four forty five, but. All right on the screener, so let's go over to Seth hurry. The over under in Vegas tonight. They're predicting cool off for him as well. What happens with role players? Right. Partly played one of the games of his life in game two. They're saying that the over under for his combined points, rebounds and desist is eleven and a half. And he scored sixteen points, just two points in the last game nineteen if you total them all up at the last game, the way, they're totalling over, under what do you take it a little bit? The. Overhaul. He's going over. He's, he's got a lot of open shots in the last in the series that he's missed. So I expect him advertising agree with the hall of Famer their trapping the heck at Damian Lillard. Right. It's freeing up shots for the role players. It's what we've seen heartless score more. I think you'll get a lot of open shots. I think he's going to go over that just on points. All right. Let's talk about the other splash brother, too. Because Klay Thompson is being marked by Vegas for twenty three and a half is is over under on points. What do you think would have to put him over? I feel like this is going to be a big game. He's always been on good shoot of when it comes going on the road and nothing. They would allow his Hugh grow. I would like to disagree with the six time champion that I am also going hometown. Clay is very comfortable here. I say he is comfortable in this building. I say Steph is a little off his game play delivers on his and we have a great game tonight for clay. It was a little the yesterday, just how much he loved Portland, how much she loved growing up here and he really does I would say project the vibe of this. Well, flannel rating water with the flannel. You're killing Cuba, small. Number. Stop the blue star doughnuts. Nightside. The game face. He does have the game face. No question. I love seeing when the Klay games when he breaks out. We've talked so much about staff without Kevin Durant and his game cages. But honestly, I think clay's clays game might change the most with Kevin Durant out just put the number of touches that he gets right? Scotty, arctic. Everybody's been a fist, but played benefits the most because I think his teammates tend to repick back pick and do everything and it really opens up his all around game. He gets layups. He gets his bit rains. And he also gets those offense. Rebound threes. When you go from number three number two option. Gerbil. He just needs the tattoo. All right. Brian, we're going to do the combo here. So better bet blazers to cover. Right. Vegas has gotten favored by two and a half or the warriors money line. Which I do think it's good. Why would you give them a hundred dollars if you're only getting one hundred fifteen back, I mean, I think a general rule of betting is if somebody's going to give you points to take the warriors take the points with the war. I think the blazers are going to give back to the game. But if they're going to sit there is a plus next to the warriors. That's a good bet. I think so what we're watching the blazers side warm up right now. Scotty, what do you think sort of your Terry Stotts, if you're in that locker room, if you were the guest speaker tonight, what would you be saying about the big picture now the exit the nose? But just how they should go out on the court journal really turtles. We've not all over within Lau this team to feed off of it. I think in the first game share Daymond has we had too many turnovers. And I felt like in the in the second game they limit their tunnels. But when you get home, you get a liberal comfortable, but I think they got the realize that this Golden State team is a real good defensive team. They feed off the turnovers and that's where they score a lot of points. They have to limit that gaming Lillard is averaging fourteen shots again. He's first two games. Twelve in game one sixteen in game two. He averaged twenty one games in the last series Twenty-three a game. And he okay. See series. He has got to get looks now. I know what he would say he would stay look. They are double teaming me, they're forcing the ball out of my hand but he has got overcome that. I also think I don't think he's been very decisive. He's been caught in the air. That's what's. Gatty has come with more for I think he's got to have clarity to his game tonight. His building MRs where he's had so many good feelings. Be decisive. I don't care if he takes five or six more bad shots. He's got to take shots to blazers need the points. This is it right? I mean, they know that if they go down three oh, that's pretty much a rap on this series. And this is a team that has been in that position. Look they lost every game. They played against the Oklahoma City Oklahoma city thunder during the regular season. They were not favored in that series. And they came back and won that series. They were not favored in this series against Denver. They were down three two in that series. And when they absolutely had to win two games. They won two games. I don't know if they're going to be able to do that here, but they have been in that position. They're comfortable in that position. So that when after game two they look to the cameras, they said, they took care of home, now, we got to take care of home, it sounded like a line. I think a lot of people, but for them they actually believed it works on time for you. Go into the series you must learn how to win. On the road. All right. We're coming up, we're going to talk a little bit about Andre dollar will kind of defender. He is maybe better defender than the guys who said on his team that he's the best defender ever. We'll get into that. I though, you know it's the jump takeover. So we got to give you some distant replays. This is Steve Nash to Mr. Stott Meyer in two thousand seven take a look. Bitterly. One. Just a beauty. Free, cutting out of. All right. Guys, it is time to bear into I would say bear down because the producer Dante it's time to really drill into here. What's going on in Portland game three Western Conference finals crush time on the jump X factor Scottie Pippen's, you could not be higher on that Collins? The number he got on his back. But. In just the fact, his presence defensively what he's been able to do, but the biggest problem I have with him, is he's not been able to stay on the floor. So his affect not worked out in this series yet. He hasn't essense the physicality, what you have to do five thousand eight minutes in game two that's not acceptable for any game. A must win game game to. He's got to be smarter pass to give them some production tonight. If nothing else you just gotta give minutes. They struggle without Nurkic into their bench Asam. All right. Next one, we're going to talk a little bit about Andrei, Dalla. Because we've been talking last couple of days. Scotty, Draymond green came out and said he thinks that he Draymond is the best defender ever as you all out there. Might imagine one, Mr. Scottie Pippen, had a few things to say about that threat a few other names from the past. He was too modest to say himself, but we. That category. A lot of credit. He's does take advantage every time that he's on this state. He puts himself among everybody in the game. But I heard the comment that Draymond saying that he's probably the best player ever play defense in this league and I gave them credit from team defensive standpoint he's up there. I can't say that he's the best but I could rank a lot of players in. In. Good. And another complement was that you thought Andrei Dowa who just been showing by the way, he ran down the tunnel saying my hands, he was praising his hands family show. Right. When I am not going to say what he said, exactly. But he was so excited about his steel David Lillard at the end of that game that block steal your up right now. What do you think of him? More indivisible good team defender. But I think Andre eagle dollar is a better one on one defender anytime you see this team playing against a team that LeBron James, or whoever Kevin Durant when they played against them, a few years back is always Andrei ego dollar garden this offense about all time you have to factor in the air in the sixties defensive centers were Hugh. Russell was so important in this day and age wing defenders are extraordinarily important and wing defenders are more important than big man. Defenders Andre would dial leat wing defender in an era where you need wing defend your ex teammate, Steve Kerr, of course, the coach of the warriors. Now just a few minutes ago in his pre-game press conference. He compared Draymond Dennis Robin. Do you think that's accurate? Pretty good comparison. They're both two guys that can count troll control the paint and undersized. But I would give the NOP probably to today, and then is beat you up more with the physicality and the mental game. But he also dominated the board with or more irritating. I think what does let's talk about era for this team. Yes. Where the warriors play Draymond is super duper valuable because he's so versatile he can tell passes he can can do so much on the defensive end. They can play him at center. They can have him guard point guards on switches like if you put Robin on this team in his prime right now. He wouldn't be as valuable to them as dream on this. Dennis rodman. I mean, I don't know if you got remember, but we weren't ran the triangle offense. And then is Rodman was great and offense. I mean he dropped his a great passer, and he understood offense very well. He didn't give a damn about scoring because he wanted to get rebounds. But then it's basketball Q is off the charts. Just like Dennis is a hall of Famer Draymond is going to be one of those guys, we're going to debate backing up the rings. He might be might get say, look. Look, I said he thinks he's the best defensive player in the league not even in the top three though for the NBA awards. So it's going to be interesting to see how history judges. Fun with scored center takeover. Here was honored to be on Ford center here at the jump. We are tonight's game is going to be great and the NBA down crews about to get you ready. Michelle take it away. Truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You think you can solve any problem by turning computer all end on him, and something laptop now just need to turn off and on. It smoking. Yeah. That's museum eastern boot truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. And Nelson fire Evans all the time. So good. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more.

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'The Last Dance,' End of the Bulls' dynasty, Ben Watson joins the show

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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'The Last Dance,' End of the Bulls' dynasty, Ben Watson joins the show

"Speaking of yourself crib presented by Jason Whitlock. Marcellus Wiley. Great to be here on this Monday afternoon. We have a fantastic show plan for U B J Armstrong A THREE-TIME NBA champion Chicago. Bulls former Michael Jordan teammate. He's going to be here in the next segment. Help us the last dance documentary also former Patriots tidy and been Watson. He's GonNa pull up. We'll discuss Tom Brady. And did he see the break-up of Bella check and brady coming began with the terrific documentary. That debuted last night on. Espn last dance. And the last dance documentary about the one thousand nine hundred ninety seven thousand nine hundred ninety eight cargo bull. That documentary is a distract on then bulls general manager Jerry Krause and team owner Jerry. Right REINSDORF yeah in two episodes debuted last night. Michael Jordan Channel is energy drink and went back to back on. Krause and Ryan's door. Then Scottie Pippen joined in and he channeled his inner hit them up to corps. I'm glad norms channel Ice Cube his inner ice cube and with completely no vast leave. I'm glad Michael said it off. Used to be hard now you just wet and saw and then finally here comes bill jacksonian channel. All my God Phil Jackson went completely off. He channeled his full him. Up to a core encyc- shocked me or who fired me. But you punks didn't manage now you're about to feel the wrath of a minute last. Dan is straight ether. My God they went full blown knives last night. That was straight ether. Two episodes and innocence clear Michael Jordan. Espn are intent on educating the sports public on the greatest crime since the Boston Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for twenty. Five thousand dollars. Crowson Ryan's door treated Michael. Filling Scotty like the easily disposable and replaceable commodities that they weren't they broke up the Bulls when Jordan was still in his prime by refusing financially. Commit to joins beloved coach and Perfect Sidekick Cross reinsdorf force Jordan into a second retirement at the age of thirty four when he was still the reigning. Mvp and world champion but don't wrongly conclude. The Krause was primarily motivated by EGO. No this is about the sheer greed incompetence and bigotry of Crowson Lines. Door this about two guys who didn't get a respect. Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippen this is about an owner at a general manager who feed that narrative that management has no respect for its black employees. Yeah I'm going all the way. There are no go there all the top but this is a prime example krause and Reinsdorf view Jordan and Pippen s commodities to be exploited rather than assets to partner with Krause and reinsdorf. Were anti read that the legendary Celtics leader partner with Bill Russell when he was the greatest force in the NBA and then did the exact. Same thing for Larry Bird in the nineteen eighties Phil Jackson to me. Justifiably sided with Michael and Scotty Krause and Reinsdorf were unbothered that they were finance exploiting Scotty pippin with a seven year contract. That paid him as the hundred twenty sixth highest paid player in the NBA. Scottie Pippen it. May It was made clear in his documentary. The dude was a country. Bumpkin from Arkansas. Huge Family Support Dad and brother. Bo Paralyzed my dad. He was naive. It was fair basis. He's signed a bad contract any smart businessman. Any respected sports franchise owner would rework that. Deal for Scottie. Pippen and kept. That deal kept that dynasty rolling for fifteen straight years. This was a crime. Crowson Ryan's door destroyed one of the greatest dynasties in sports they undermine Michael Jordan Passion for the Game Force. This dude into a premature retirement at age. Thirty Four Bay Stop Michael Jordan from reaching its full potential. The last dance is an absolute tragedy. I can't wait to continue watching it. I hope they keep putting a clown suit on krause and Reinsdorf I myself. I think I've said all I gotta say on this what was your takeaway. Last night broke down. I thought we'd log was going to be longer than the damn documentary. You kept going. You go into every year level. Which hey it was such good theater that. I'm glad you went there and I will continue going there as well the biggest takeaway for me is really looking at this dynasty and realizing like you have seen what other dynasties death destruction is around every corner no matter how perfect it may see no matter how perfect the results may be. This took me back to look at it. The Dallas cowboys of the nineties or the shack in Kobe Lakers of thousands and realizing that no matter how dynastic you are. You don't need to work on team chemistry as much as you need to work on given players credit and that could be intra team player to player or Executive Front Office to player. Whatever that may mean the egos because these players are Alpha males and they just WanNa be properly appreciated and you saw this documentary that there were some issues with that in terms of appreciation. Michael Jordan and his relationship. We'll cross Scottie. Pippen even Michael Jordan. If you start to really pill it back there are more than a few times. Michael Jordan in the documentary pointed the finger. Scottie Pippen as doing the wrong thing. Even though Scottie Pippen was only doing the right thing for himself so team chemistry really comes to mind as well. Some lighthearted moments as well when Michael Jordan talked about the cocaine traveling circus. It took me back to my rookie year and almost to a beat. Our first road trip. I think it was to Seattle. I was rookie green from Columbia and I walked in a room and I didn't see the cocaine but every other thing I saw the women do we and I probably did see the cocaine because I saw women I that was enough for me. It was the same thing dislike. Wow this whole this allegation to the next level doesn't just mean on the field on the court it may in life as well so it was so enjoyable to see it appeal back the layers and to witness the deaths of no matter how great these look on the surface. You gotTA deal with a lot of issues. Listen I I've heard other people analogize this to Kobe and Shaq and the Lakers and that break up. I've seen people analogize to the Dallas Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones. I just don't see the fall analogy there because I'm krause and Ryan's door. We're driven by greed and incompetence and really a lack of respect in my view for Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen I thought Jerry Jones and Jimmy. Johnson had a dispute check in coal. We had a dispute and the Lakers didn't manage it well. Those things to me are understandable. But when you have the greatest dynasty going in sports and you have someone like Michael Jordan. Who only wants to do is compete and win. You've got two guys pippen and Jordan from great families fishes perfection. And I've heard people defend Jerry. Krause arrived they told pippen not to sign that contract somewhat after he signed it. And then prove to you that he was more valuable than that you got to protect the dynasty and understand. This was a kid that was naive outside his realm of expertise and signed a bad deal. Fix the deal. Keep the thing going. I This dynasty's also to me. Crowson Reinsdorf to me are just like the Boston. Red sox trading the rate Babe Ruth. It's one of the dumbest things we've ever seen in sports. It so goes against what? Read our Baghdad would bill Russell. Wh what Bob Kraft did with Tom. Brady for twenty years. What what read are back did for Larry Bird when you have kids this special that have all these unique qualities in are all laying on just playing a game and winning. You do anything to keep it together. You know sit there. Reinsdorf said on TV. I never really go shade a contract with bill and come see me about a contract. That's that's an arrogant an a level of stupidity. I just don't get they ruin something great and need to. I'm glad they're being vilified by this documentary. Look I agree with your conclusion that they cut this short in terms of how great this this team this dynasty was of. Course if you don't even go to a game seven in the finals who are you say? Let's blow this up. And start to to reboot when we don't even know if a team going into their set of championship year was going to able to overthrow what the Bulls were. So I get your conclusion but I don't get how you got there. You gotTA REMEMBER CONTEXT MATTERS In this. Situation Scottie. Pippen signs that deal a seven year deal in nineteen ninety-one just a few years removed off the NBA coming off of tape delay the money wasn't in the NBA just yet fewer than ten players. Were making eight figures when we're talking about this documentary fewer did ten players there wasn't money in the NBA. Like we see it now. So what happened in transition? Is there crossing off realize one? Oh it's a lot more money here and a lot. More money coming Scottie. Pippen didn't realize that and any situation in life ignorance is no excuse. I love you Scottie. Pippen but sorry brother you'd be ignorant to what was coming or ignorant to what your value was not on cross and not on rise door and you got to also understand when you are an executive. You did an amazing job when you got the second best player in the NBA. Decide for two point. Eight million dollars a year like don't put that on them. Put that on Scottie. Pippen an unfortunate circumstances I do see the parallels to this team I see parallels I see the parallels to the Lakers. This is all about once you have success and this is the same thing that happens. In General Society with luxury as success come many choices and usually those many choices turn into complaints and turn into issues because you have array of choices. You don't have to be in the situation of predicament. Your even Michael Jordan stated that I got choices by the some of them may not be pretty so for me I see the parallels and all these dynasties that once they get comfortable and feel the luxury of their success. Everybody started just a little different things. Start to change. We gotTA keep it moving. Bj Arm trial is GONNA join US. Next Mile One point they could've won ten titles they won six. Michael Jordan could lead in Chicago for ten fifteen uninterrupted years. I more speak to yourself from new career with. Bj Armstrong speak yourself presented by Unday more after this might just be yourself from the crib. Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley. Speak for yourself brought to you by Sunday. Let's move out to Bj Armstrong script. Bj Of course played in the first three. Repeat with the Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan Bj. I'm sure you watched last dance last night. You just heard my opening monologue. I blamed Jerry Krause and Jerry rise door for ruining the greatest dynasty. Perhaps in sports history undermining Michael Jordan's passion is the Bulls fought office. Does their management deserve all the blame for the end of this dynasty? You know the one thing that I can say about. Michael Jordan is nothing was going to deny him to achieve what he wanted to achieve. And that includes the bowls front office the League own ever you know. The mayor just had undeniable spirit about himself. It's easy to depict based on what we saw last night but if anything I will say this Michael Jordan was going to do what was ever necessary and certainly I can say without question. He was going to achieve and stop playing whenever he wanted to stop playing and he did exactly what he wanted to do because he deserved that and I think that he was. He made that clear last night. He was very evident about his passion. And what he was going to bring to the game exactly I don't think there's any stopping Michael Jordan. He would have found a different setting different situation. Couple would another great player and they would have had optimal results is just you just saw determination that jumped off the screen. That was second to none. Would that ability? That was just special. Are both sitting here telling me that Jerry. Krause and Gerry Ryan's door had treated Michael Jordan with the level of respect and his play deserve. That Michael Jordan wouldn't have continued to play after winning six championship. Bj Go for yes. Well there was something you know. I am knowing Michael Jordan and I've worked with Jerry crops so I knew I worked in the Front Office pools and I knew Michael Jordan. There was something that you have to know a little bit about. Michael Michael said was the glass half full glass half empty and it was Michael's father rest in peace. Who said the following if you want to get the best of my son? Just tell them what he can't do so. I know that Michael was not going to be denied. I don't care what was said because no no one was going to come on the floor and beat Michael Short. No one and he was going to do what was ever necessary and he was he was devoted to this fort. He was devoted to winning. He was devoted to the game so whatever was going on he was comfortable being uncomfortable in all of the drama all the beings all of the characters because in the end he was the lead character he was the lead character he knew it. We can say whatever we want to say if you WANNA blame them certainly but you know what Nolan People Michael Jordan Nolan and and so someone beat him on the court then you know what we can you know you can say a lot of different things. But the man was unstoppable. He was unstoppable. And I'll continue to say that that you know what we can talk all we want to talk about those guys but you know Michael Jordan. He did what he had to do. And I have a slightly different way of looking at it and I want you to put some respect Jerry. Cross his name when you start talking about it with a lot. Because here's the thing about him. He's a necessary part of this. If you want to call it a necessary evil so be it. But this chemistry talking about player Ed executive was so necessary for Michael Jordan as you just mentioned. Bj that his father knew his his dynamic mentally that. Hey you tell them you can't do something he's GonNa be even more motivated to do it. That's one so now you have a power of a good cop bad cop out of cross and Ron's door and what happens you get this dynamic where we're going to look at and polarized cross for being the guy that we don't respect but guess what he played a necessary part and agitating Michael Jordan not always given into Michael Jordan not always kissing his feet at all tour of greatness. He had to be the one that had the thorn that was going to poke him. Michael Jordan here narratives seems like because wise. Dwarf this off clean. Hey Scotty no sign this contract. Hey I've tried to tell everybody what to do right. Come on you sign off on everything. So Cross was just a intermediary to get to the final destination. Which was this relationship. Good cop bad cop between those two exempts. I'm almost wondering if we watched two different broadcast last. I'm not sure where y'all live in. La Aspect for and so on. And I saw Jordan on spectrum cable last night. Say if there's no Phil Jackson I don't WanNa play for anybody else. He made that crystal clear. These guys were so cheap. They didn't WanNa pay Phil Jackson so petty. They didn't want to paint Phil Jackson at one. Five chapter he got a one year deal for six million off and they announced before the season began. This is his final season. And the greatest thing we've seen in the NBA and the greatest thing. We've SEEN IN SPORTS AS BABE. Ruth says he don't WanNA play for. Nobody else would feel Jackson. But somehow I can't blame Jerry Krause and Jerry Reinsdorf for this kind of lunacy. If you can't convince me that have they had some kind of long term deal with Phil Jackson. And if they hadn't read some kind of deal the key Scottie Pippen because this is favourite coach. And Scottie Pippen's is famous teammate. That this is a perfect match. They Love Michael. No choice but to retire at thirty four Chelsea. This why is he? You could say that. But this is what you have to really look. It does. Go back to Scotty. Pippin Scottie. Pippen also had what was wasn't sad and I don't want to be a spoiler here for the documentary movement. For but Scottie. Pippen had major back surgery early in his career and I'm not talking like a little anytime. You have surgery. It's a major a major theme but he had major back surgery and I think that weighed heavily on his decision making process. I don't know I've never spoken to Scotty about it. And but that had to wait heavy because when you have major back surgery as a young player that could potentially injure career you know the one thing that we saw with Michael Jordan when Michael got injured there early in his career. It gives you a sense of urgency to really focus from the future to now and you know yes. Michael One. The only played for Phil Jackson but what he was really saying was the following. You know what? I'm playing a system that I feel comfortable with and I don't have time to start new relationships. I don't have time to find out what this guy can and can't do. I'm in the meat and potatoes of my career. I'm not in the middle ground really at the end of microbes. Thirty four thirty five and he had to play with people right in right there and I think it was an orange for him to say. If we'RE NOT GONNA do this and make a commitment with this group then. I would much rather move forward and and not play at all. Because he didn't have time to be developing new relationship at that point in his career. This conversation is just highlighting the cost of greatness and the key word is not greatness is cost the NBA was finally getting the money and the money was coming in. And if you start to do your projections if you're an executive you start to realize what is going to cost to continue this greatness. You have Michael Jordan. Who Only on a one year deal at thirty three million dollars? You Have Phil Jackson. Making six million dollars a one year deal. You have pippen's deal coming up where he was low ball so now he's going to get his money remember. The context of only nine players were making eight figures. Now you're going to suggest to the bills of to the Bulls to have three of those players and to add a coach today. I think they made a calculation. Because of Scottie. Pippen's injury concerns because of the lack of commitment they've gotten from Michael Jordan including a retirement before they were like. Wait a minute half of the top dollars in the. Nba's all be on one team. I want a lot of things in life but what usually keeps me from. Attaining now is the cost. And I think that's what they just went to a simple mental calculation. We got six out of Eight. And that's a great thing to do. More enroll dice may be too costly. I mean I I would the the dumb decision and BJ. I'd like your point about the back. Injury Scotty Pippin. Which is another reason. They should have had some sympathy and rework. That deal for Scotty Pippin. After four or five years giving man is money what he earned we gotta keep it moving. Thank you BJ. I'm sure Gerry Crossan Jerry. Reinsdorf would like to thank you. Well you did a decent job to the super bad before we go. Will the pages draft a quarterback in the first round download the Fox bet super six and play? Nfl draft super six for free or a chance to win. Ten thousand dollars are don't go anywhere. Rick brokers coming or speak for yourself presented by Unday after that well Matt as being self from the crib present Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcellus. Wiley are willing to keep it rolling with talking about the last chance documentary on. Espn it was fantastic. Phenomenal can't wait to hear euchre steak but you gotta start with me and Marcellus debate. We've been having all show so far. I blame the Bulls Management J. Cross Jerry Reinsdorf. I think this documentary two episodes and is putting a full clown suit on these guys. They look incompetent. They to me. They look greedy. And they look bigoted to me in the way they treated. Michael Jordan. And Scottie Pippen. Is it fair for me to put this much? Blame on Krause and Ryan's door for the Indian of this dynasty. No it's not fair. They were right because ultimately this team had come to the end of the road. If you look at where Michael Jordan was you look at where Scotty Pippin was? J Armstrong mentioned. It had serious back surgery. He was never the same after that. Ron Harper was in his thirty Steve. Kerr was in his thirties. Michael Jordan was thirty four. Dennis Rodman was thirty. Six the reality is that they were going to need to rebuild and Phil Jackson has been proved since is not a great rebuilding coach and Michael Jordan said at the end of the ninety seven season that he didn't want to be part of a rebuilding the cubs have rebuilding for forty two years. So as difficult as it is for me to say yes you needed to go in another direction if Michael Jordan. Didn't WanNA play with someone. Other than Scottie. Pippen or with the coach other than Phil Jackson. They had no choice but to go to the direction they did the other element. That's not being discussed. Is the fact that the collective bargaining agreement was up and they instituted a new collective bargaining agreement for the first time in. Nba history put a cap on salaries. So Michael Jordan not only was going to have to come back and be part of a rebuilding process. But he wasn't GonNa make anything close to thirty three million that he'd made the year before that probably would have been sliced. Basically an half would have been a fifty game season. Who knows where they would have been. I can see where they might have eked one more championship out of that fifty game season but with that have been worth having a team that had nothing at the end of it and had to be completely rebuilt at that point. They haven't done a great job. They didn't do a great job since then but the fact of the matter is as badly as they handled it from a PR standpoint and relationship standpoint. They were right and looking at this team and saying we are going to have to refresh what we have and Michael Jordan. DidN'T WANNA be part of that. May near broke that down. Relax you look too sad to have on such a joyous shirt. I mean you gotTa pump up on this right now. We don't let me tell you this much. This can't believe all may okay. This is the problem with retroactive thinking. Because all we are living in is a some mation but let's time travel to the moment. Where all they had was that if permission at that time and everything rick just said. I want to add to that. Remember what he said. They Injury Scottie. Pippen Michael Jordan all that to other factors one if you really want to dive into the numbers. Jordan has started his own. And this is a relative decline timothy its own greatness. He started his own decline. In terms of assist feels free. Free throw percentage. Everything was starting to go a little south and he was going to be thirty five. Who DIDN'T WANNA rebuild? But more importantly even if he does want to rebuild is the level of commitment and cost to that rebuild. Don't forget if you're an executive and Michael Jordan after winning three championships walks up to you says piece. I see you later for a year and a half and then you come back to run it back. Don't you already have a contingency plan to deal with the lack of commitment? You've already seen from your star player. I think that's something that's not being highlighted enough. We still have eight more episodes. Maybe we get into that but certainly that has to be a consideration that guy dipped on us before before. Fool US next time. It won't be a fool on US next time. We'll be prepared. These guys fell into Michael Jordan with the number three pick because Portland made a tragic decision sambu and hey applaud. I'm glad in Chicago. Bulls diamonds a great story but they clearly mishandled Michael Jordan from the GIDDY. Go look at his second season when the guy has to basically move to North Carolina so he can go ahead and Rehab the way that he wants to start playing basketball and then they bring him back. We'll let you play seven minutes a half for. We don't WanNa make the playoffs. You're taking the ultimate competitor and trying to harness SAM and trying to put a leash on. This is crazy. They mishandled Michael Jordan from day. One and there was always this. Disconnect had they partnered with Michael rather than treating him like a disposable commodity if they had done with our back did with Bill Russell. What our magazine Larry. Bird would craft and Bella check with Tom Brady for twenty years. I don't think Michael Jordan would ever retired first time and he damn sure wouldn't retire after being the MVP in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and winning a championship. That's a hell of a decline. Mvp and you're in decline. And I get it go. I'm sorry go here. I can't believe it's still here now. I have to ask ask. We did watch the same documentary last night. Because what you heard Michael Jordan came in and you're dead on your right. They didn't lose him in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven. They lost him in eighty five when they wouldn't allow him to come back and play. That was where the first time the way his mentality was. And the way the teams mentality was was different. But here's the reality teams mentality always has to be different. They can't think about the individual a good organization thinks about the collective and what we heard and saw in. That documentary was the fact that everybody in the League thought okay. He's great but he ain't all that because he's not a center and this is a big man league he's a two guard who wins championships with a two Gar. He's going to be exciting. Is going to sell tickets. But is he going to win championships and so they were looking at it from a very practical standpoint? This is this is going to be our moneymaker. He broke his foot. We got a team. That is maybe sneaks into the playoffs and then has to play the mighty Boston Celtics but otherwise our team sucks. Why should we try to derail our gravy train now just because he wants to come back and finish the season that to me is where they lost Jordan but they couldn't have possibly known at that time what they had and that he was just got back? My point is you could have gotten back. The man wins three titles. You should've started re. Recruitment tried to get him back. And see that you've got this special creature. You got this special basketball player. You got this special individual from a unique situation. They had to adjust. And they should've would Scottie Pippen. You have to adjust Phil Jackson. Once you discover you've got this goal treated like Outta goal. Hold on hold on Scottie. Pippen's contract Scottie. Pippen is the one who made that. Mistake Scottie Pippen's agent is the one who made that mistake if via the team and say. Hey we'll give you seven years eighteen million or even anything close to that and the guy says okay. We're listening. I'm going back to buy office and go. You won't believe this Scottie. Pippen is going to sign a seven. Seven year deal for eighteen million. Or you're going to go back and go. Hey you know what we can't do that. That's not fair. We gotTA GIVE HIM thirty million. We gotta give him no team with somebody. You don't exploited him. You don't take advantage when you're part with somebody if it's just a disposal if it's Bill Wennington exploit him. Not Scottie Pippen. Not The guy is other than Michael Jordan. Winning you championship you. Just don't we got we got? I want to get to the last night to me the whole. Mj Lebron go discussion. It ended. It's over. I really don't WanNa talk about it anymore. I don't WanNa hear from you yet. My sellers did the goat deal in for you last night. I it's funny. The let's talk about Michael Jordan's on another planet. Oh really so watching Michael Jordan. And all of his greatness something he supported and endorsed and we saw two of ten hours of documentary highlighting his role to become the icon. Is your mind drifted. Lebron place your mind went with like many others went to Lebron world and start trending his name. Look if you really mean what you're saying that the goal conversation is over you wouldn't be thinking about Lebron James. There's a lot of all time greats. That close on the Mount Rushmore. None of their names were trending. No one is talking about them today. But it's funny time we think about. Who's the best and we forget the Bronx? Wh WHO brought up wrong. Where does the broad talk? Come from? You know where it comes from because you know you can't easily dismiss him because he's the only other player outside of Korean but nobody wants to have that conversation that really qualify for. We're talking about so if you really want to show me. They'll Lebron is out of this. You wouldn't show love to Jordan or you wouldn't Shohei to abroad. You were show apathy. Show nothing but you can't because you know this is a real conversation. Stay in Lebron for me. The debate between Jordan and Lebron on the greatest of all time never started. But certainly it didn't start for me because I knew what we're going to see what we've seen in this documentary. So yes? It ended the Lebron Michael Jordan debate. But to your point Marcellus. We're never gonNA stop debating. Who's the greatest of all time? That's going to continue. And so we are GONNA have Kareem abdul-jabbar people go back and they're going to say. How can we need a ten? We need a ten part documentary on Kareem abdul-jabbar. Let's go back and visit what he did to and did we overlook him in this conversation. That's where this is going to go. The conversation about greatest of all time is never gonNA end. It's simply going to end as far as the Lebron Michael Jordan debate. Okay Rick and that is my point because I do think you could have Kareem argument unless Lebron. He needed this championship this year and then I might have conservative. But I'm just telling you last night. There were things I forgot about Jordan. Well I'm the series. I didn't realize it. I remember the series against the Boston. Celtics in eighty five eighty six or eighty five eighty six. I believe I remember that sit. I didn't remember that was thirty. Win Team that that just eats into the playoffs and had Orlando Woolridge. The Ghost of George Gervin macy. Dave Corsie Lebron took them to double Lebron. Michael took him to double overtime with sixty three points against the greatest team perhaps in NBA history. That Boston Celtics Team. A lot of people make that argument. Michael took them to double overtime by himself worked. Sorry okay hold on that plan on. Hold on hold on. We're watching. We're watching a documentary. That Michael Jordan signed off on everything including the things that weren't flattering. He still saw some gain in those things. So if we saw a ten part documentary on the broad Jay's where he signed off on everything you think the discussion of goat will be over. We saw the broad golfing with his opponent the night the day before playoff game. How would that look because I know how we criticize the broad right now? We saw Lebron just at the winning championships just disappear. How would that look in terms of his legacy like these? Are the things that hope you said? You? You said you forgot him. Well we don't remind you because this. This documentary is meant to highlight only show. Great things of Michael Jordan. But for me it actually makes me say wow. If he played today the athletes will be better. He would have to go against greater talent and ball you and all this in the middle of it and all this plane with your opponents in this league that we call now. Because everyone's a friend that will look different for the Jordan of. Oh we gotta go gotta go but a been Watson's around the corner talk some football. We may get back on this last dance. Conversation had been watching. It was like a damn quarterback by now you've lost all this weight and this was tied in. Ibm Watson from his crib looking in great shape me by speak for yourself from the crib. Pretend you buy. Humvees yourself from the crib. Time to pull up at former patriots tight in the watsons PERV. Jason Whitlock Marcellus. Wiley with you on this Monday afternoon. A been a welcome to the show. Let's get right to it. Could you sense this year? Any difference in the relationship between Tom. Brady Bill Belichick but I was on there for a decade. Obviously and I was there for six years left for ten came back for one final so my perspective is a little bit different. I think the relationship deathly eroded in some ways over the years but again they won championships. Highpoints answer low points. I think any relationship goes to its ups and downs and so can I sense that the relationship was different than when I left. Yes but not necessarily a good way or bad way. It didn't tell me or informed me that this is going to be his last year. Are you played seven of your sixteen seasons with the New England Patriots for Bill Belichick? You think he could've played all sixteen years for the Patriot. Is it as fun to play for the Patriots as other places I needed to? I needed to go when I play my six year. There we had a contract dispute coming in so I had six year deal that that's another show. We can talk about that. I look back on my time there at the time of growth over those six years and there was some great time to know. Sometimes that weren't so great. I became a free agent and the Patriots were testily interested but I ended up going on and had a great time and couple of other places before coming back so when I came back a different place mentally physically emotionally. I'm and I really appreciate it being there this year and and kind of reconnecting with a lot of people but as you charged several times as a tough place to play coast ballot check demands to most of his players but with that he allows you to reach your fullest potential. He will make you a better football player and kind of the older me really got to see that and appreciate that Once I love being there now been. How did the Locker Room respond in specifically you when everyone kept saying that? Tom Brady needed weapons. And you are supposed to be one of those weapons. How did you guys think that well you know? It is man with quarterbacks. You know when a quarterback is is successful all the quarterback when he's not then you ain't got no weapon is a team sport. I think that as as a skilled players you do you don't you. Don't take offence. You understand that you know we gotta go out there we have to make plays with. We're in this together. There has to be something to talk about an media. They have a job to they have to create a story so that has to be something But I didn't take offense. I looked at it as I'm about. I'M GONNA play my best. I'M GONNA tear. I'm GonNa make place when I get the opportunity to do so. That's not being paid to do. And that's what I'm GONNA do. You know he's now Tampa you look at the quote unquote weapons. He has their He's got bit strong receivers. He's gotTa tied in Great Hopefully it works out very well for him and I actually am happy that he's getting an opportunity to go there. I think this is what he wanted. And you know I'm going to support him now. You got a chance to see them. Every day in practice What are your expectations him? Going forward since he won't have any weapons as well. Well I will say this about jared. He he is. He studies being an allegiance. Sixteen years and you see a guy come in especially a quarterback you can see their demeanor. You can see how they take criticism quarterbacks to be able to take criticism the right way they also have to be able to take a lot of information and be able to give it to the players in a way for the understand it. They have to be in tune in that way. I've seen that Jerry not to mention. He got to spend a year in the same room with arguably the best quarterback to play the game and so all those things combined also with the fact that is going to have Dana GonNa have coast ballot check. He want to be in that room. They didn't think that he could help now. All that being said he has to go on the field perform so what. I'm expecting him number. One is to be fully prepared because the coaching staff here in New England is going to prepare you to perform to the best of your ability every single week. One thing they will do. You will be prepared. You will study. You'll be in meetings. You'll be ready to go now. Seeing him actually go out to training camp whenever that starts with corona buyers and see how he received that see if he wins the job First Week of the season goes will will know but I liked what I saw him over the last year being. Now you're a great man of faith not a gambling man. But let's say you had to wager a little that ties on who's going to have the better season. Two buccaneers order patriots. Who'S GONNA win? More Games bucks a pass. Well that was about was a gambling man. What the saints have and what they and what they've done is is incredible and what they've done so saints and. Bucks in that box and some sorry you said parents by the wager. I would say the past because of what they've done to their. They have a system of winning. They have a core group of players still there. They've got a chip on their shoulder Division with Buffalo coming on strong. They're used to Wayne. They used to competing in. I think they're gonNA be prepared with the game plan to go on to win. The buccaneers I think are poised to win too. But they still got to deal with the saints and the saints have been on the run. They've been on a street they'd been going to play offs. They've got drew brees best. That's going to be tough for them to beat them twice. I do think it's going to be competitive but I will tell you this you're talking about taking some of that five. I'll take some of that time to go pay for a ticket. Go Watch the saints play twice. Because that's going to be an incredible game. Then we got very little time. I got to give you a second to say something beyond sports. What did you learn about yourself during this quarantine? I'm sorry you only got about thirty seconds. I've learned about the importance of family. I knew about family. You show that graphic earlier a twin boys. I've got five other kids or seven seven kids in this house. There's none of us my wife. So we're in this thing together but I've learned Really the importance of family. How much are chain really? Do love each other. They argue they fight but the important dynamic family. I hope it's something that we all bring out of this and that we create some traditions that we will take as we leave this quarantine time. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Nine Jared Tirmizi Jason Marcellus Wiley. Speak for yourself presented by Hyundai Aqua. Jimmy's just around the corner. Speak for yourself from the present day. Jason Whitlock Marcellus. Wiley time to get out to uncle. Jimmy's CRIP Jimmy. We don't have a great deal of time. Who's a big dummy of the day? You gotta take on Gerry Callahan. Big Dummy on a date. The big big dummy today called the person that set up said Oh you gotta Pay Michael Jordan's right hand man. Scotty pippin well. Why the Hell did you let me sign that contract? It didn't seem to bother you then. Prop seven was trying to let me explain something to you on the phone. Okay I had to cut this. Thank wait Jerry. Krause getting old you pay go chain Hawaii.

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Harden enduring it all

"Today's opening tip their accused defender attempts to take charge online Williamson whose listed six seven two hundred eighty pounds atro- coming out him, and he stood in there. Like a man take it like a man take it for the win on the floor. I win. Yes. Anybody is on the Syracuse fans were happy last night. Welcome to the jump. I'm Rachel Nichols. Alongside a couple of hall of famers class of two thousand seventeen chasing McGrady of two thousand ten Mr. Scottie Pippen, and they lost Tracy's luggage. And he still looks this sharp. So, you know, this is what happens when you're hall of Famer. We're not going to tell you the price coming up security reportedly had to stop Eamonn shepherd from entering these leaders locker rooms to confront Yousef nourish after he said a questionable screen during last night's game Shumpert doing too much we will discuss, but I. Okay. This has to be a science experiment at this point. Right. Like when they put astronauts through endurance test to see how much they can withstand take Chris Paul away. From James harden, take care coordinator. Now, take Clint Capello way and see if fazes him pretty soon, they're just gonna take the actual basketball away. And yet somehow harden will still be that games leading score last night. Things were nearly that's red bear the rockets took the court with only nine healthy bodies, including a G league, call up and no real replacement for Capello. They just found out. We'll miss four to six weeks injury. Hardin? Meanwhile, was in coach Mike dantonio words dog tired after playing forty three minutes the night before and yet despite that despite that everyone in the state of Texas New he'd be the one having to carry the load despite the grizzlies triple teaming him many times hardened deliver in the first half alone. He racked up thirty six points while the rest of the rockets collectively chipped in eighteen by the time. The game was over. Would have fifty seven points while Memphis entire starting five combined for fifty three case, you're keeping track. Fifty seven points is a season high for harden which sing something in the season. He's having or to put it another way in the past forty eight hours Steph curry and Anthony Davis have dropped forty eight and forty six respectively and heard and still manage to increase his lead over both of them for this year scoring title in two thousand three when one Mr. T MAC and Coby were putting up video game numbers. One thing each other night after night during that season. Kobe put together a streak of sixteen straight games where he scored thirty points or more threes over here at a streak of fourteen games. Like that harden has passed both of those marks. He's now scored at least thirty in seventeen games and counting. So how much longer can he go on? Like this harden is so super human at creating his own Scott. It certainly feels like he can keep firing away. No matter how many of his teammates go down. Still you have to wonder hardens averaging more than thirty seven minutes a game the most in the entire MBA and they're hard minutes. Although Southsea collects by creating context, it's a lot of contact night after night all the dribbling he does have put stress on defenses that put stress on hard into and we've seen it in the past when Hardin really pushes himself in the regular season. The Bill comes due in the postseason. He is better at the beginning of playoff series than he is at the end of them, which is not the direction you want for that sort of thing. Of course, hard this dantonio this Jim Daryl Morey knows this. But until Maury can get some help via trade or until some of Houston's injured players come back. This is the situation. They're stuck in the science experiment continues. At least so far harden isn't during it, all Tracy. You are one of the few humans on the planet. Who's ever had a run even close to this? It is you Koby harden, wilt and Elgin Vale. After that is it ever. So you're the person to ask is hardened carrying a load like this sustainable, not just through the season. But to play offs. Since you had to play offs. No. I don't think this is sustainable, I think would hard and we've seen him in the regular season where he can put up crazy numbers and go on stretches like this. He is one of those guys that just loves to hope he loves the play the game of basketball. So that's why he could come and put up these type of numbers. It's crazy to see him doing what he's doing. I mean, if you guys don't understand what it takes to come out and shoot the ball thirty times this is regular season. He can do this regular season. When he went through the streets, and you wanna be streaks where you tired because he's doing a great job of pacing hisself like on a defensive these guys. They're not running through screens, all they doing switching everything. So he's really his energy is being put out on office of indefensibly. These guys this witch and everything and the play offs. That's Wendy intensity. Heightens and you have to be locked in doubt, Dan on every possession. And it wears you. You can't do this in the playoffs. I mean, I think he can sustain this for himself as an individual. And I think that's why the game has turned today is more individual players. You're seeing guys do things from individuals standpoint. You take Russell Westbrook. Last two years avenue triple double James Harding dominating the ball on the offense of bring all up the court shooting the ball. Megan the past for the guy that shoots so yes, he can sustain this. Because of the way that he plays in my phone system. That there is more ice. Oh today than in your day. I hear people say all the time. No, you say that you play with Jordan. Well, Michael never brought the ball of the court in my. And if he did it was more we were sharing. It James harden brings balled up every time down court, and he makes the play that leads to the shot. So he's getting something out of every possession. Whether it is a shot or not this usage is higher higher than anybody ever seen effort compared to Russell Westbrook when he had his VP's incredible. I mean, he brings the ball up. He initiates to offense. He does everything, but these guys, and I think it's time for re write the record books in terms of the new MBA. It's a different game. Every great player. That's come through this this league and put up number. We'll vitually surpassed him because of the way the game has changed defensively the rules. They're uses rate shoot. And all these three this is entirely different game richer. Well, we had different pacing and passive game and sort of the old era in the sixties, and then a very different pace and style of game. Let me help people out there put put what James is doing. What m j didn't perspective James harden is averaging probably about thirteen threes. Daddy, schuss night m j on his best on his best year shooting threes, averaged only three it's right? It three's right? Actions to him. Actually takes his accuracy, of course. Different coming up. Whoa, jr. Tim McMahon report that the Mavs are intensifying their pursuit of trade partner. Dennis Smith junior. They giving up on him too soon. We will discuss next. But first it's time for our distant replay from this date in ninety six featuring funny. She mentioned Scotty, Michael Jordan, picking on. Brit frights. Sorry. Brent? Often. Big minutes takes the ball around and he had praised grabbed him. Now. He puts two hands on him. So Michael shoot two free. To throw the price where we're gonna go. Jimmy lai. That's what did he do. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice some nights. He even slept in hockey skates p tractors and practiced until one day when he was forty seven p realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how Geico proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. This is me. Make miss. It's a make oh boy. Stay mental. I mean, it's a mak- MS leak. On TV. I'm happy to see that MS legroom. Do you think like actually regular size for Wheeler and bulb on making it look? Two boys have this hell. Thinking about other things he might make look tiny rate car. No choice. It's not it's Nike skateboard very tiny skateboard pogo stick. I don't see him on a. No. The lovely wife and children. But when you see them together, he sometimes post family photos of the whole group, and it's just like me and my unbelievable make ambition Rudy go bare grabbing the board waving Don Mitchell tries to get coast to coast. Y'all. Out here blocking. Playing defense and I'll get off Jamaica player. You can go not the no look. Oh. About a seven six. Though might need to. Yeah. Vicious. I ju- Lingle's calls out Blake Griffin for flopping then in the fourth Ingles hits a late three. He starts talks smack to a pistons fan after this man right here. Here you go. Divest track to offer in the league right now. I mean PG and the playoffs last year and even into yes, if you're doing back it up right backs it up. So there you go make ranking tax shelters, loft in Brooklyn. They did have a few nice poster. All right. Here's here. Scary. Terry getting done, right. And then Jalen Brown. Oh. More. Dalen his Eddie frustrating season. I know so. Smalley one through too. I like those. Coming from the fraud. Right. Down. Air airtime, and by the way, Alan not nothing this team pictures. Keep your eye on Gallo takes his shoulder to the tune at you. I. Oh, awesome. Junior him earlier in the season to neither one of you have done it. I don't know junior one. I I mean, unless it's about oh, I did not need to see that. Badger this isn't hockey. Right. Yeah. No, no, nobody twice produced. Please welcome back to the joke. I'm not trying to recover from that. But let's say we're trade talks for one of their young stars are heating up. According to ESPN, Adrian, mortar, Naski and Tim McMahon. The Mavericks a ramping up efforts to trade second year guard Dennis Smith junior whose role has changed with the arrival of Luca Danni Smith junior. No longer the maps primary. Ball handle handler reports? Saiki and Rick Carlisle have struggled to find common ground reporting, the two teams in pursuit of a point guard. Phoenix Orlando have been active in talks with Dallas. But Tracy, do you think they're given up on a guy that they were so high on last year too soon? I don't think they're giving up on him. I just think they they found their guy, and you know, and rather than hurt Dennis development. I think they're looking out for him to find the best place possible because Luca is could be possibly an all-star in his rookie year. He's playing that. Well, this guy is phenomenal. And I just think with. Dennis in order for him to mature as a basketball player to develop him as he wants to be. He has to get out of there because Lanista ball Dennis Smith needs to ball. And I think he needs to get out there and kind of find his own team to be able to develop as a player, I think Lucas development and coming in ready has definitely surpassed him and that makes him very expandable as a player in for the Dallas Mavericks, you want to take advantage of this opportunity. He's definitely still has some upside in them, and then it Smith so is an opportunity for Dallas to get better in in some other positions. And I think this player would definitely bring them some some value where they can you know, there was hope the being the season that they could play together. I used just saw their desma juniors numbers have gone down. Rick Carlisle, according to the report that will intimidate man filed has had some problems with Smith's decision making. That's not good. So who would you guys like them to acquire not specific clever? What kind of player should be? Next to dodger. Well, I Jimmy Butler player type of player. But you know, I'm just gonna throw something out with a lot of noise going on in Boston right now. I like Jaylen Brown. He would be a great fit for that team. A guy like that guy that saw ready can score the basketball. Is. Yes. And it's very productive as sort of found his way in in the game right now. I mean, it I think that Dallas have to attach stuff. I just any age will always take more assets. So. Well, see, I do think it's. Say the grizzlies blown out by the rockets last night, Marcus all scored only five points could become a free agent at the end of the season your times reporting that Memphis could explore trading him. Now rather than facing the threat of losing him without compensation the grizzlies had the second worst record in the west look at their next five games book, Celtics rafters, pelicans Hornets. I mean, you could lose all those games. Maybe one poor is on the table. What can they get grizzlies game by trading yourself? Grizzly started out so hot this year. And I thought there's no way that can keep this up. They just don't have the personnel. They don't have the style of play their best player and Marcus. Aw. His slowed down tremendously. The game has passed him. And is like one of those, you know, Scotty, you have certain teams in the beginning of season that start out so well, and then once everybody settles in and become who they are the greatly greatly team that you know, who we thought they would be why he still has some value. I'll go out and find me some guys that I bring in that are young vibrant that could run play defense and shoot the ball. I think for them. They're they're run have sort of rain. Its course, you know, injuries have beat this team down. And they just now the the west is pretty much ran off and left and you look at golden say, okay. The they can't compete with those teams anymore because of how they get up and down the court. The matchup problems are going to be a problem for them. I think it's time. I mean, he's had a great run there. They've made some noise in the in the west for several years, but in terms of being able to compete out in the Western Conference right now, they're not they're of tried to have one foot in each side of several rebuild strategies rights rebuild on the fly. The way the clippers have been trying to she would just tear it down or not, you know, the injury Mike Conley. Let them draft in a good spot. And they certainly got a great pick and Jackson junior. But I just it's it's hard to see them continuing on this. You don't have the personnel around him and he's slowed down. I look at kind of compare their team to Denver a little bit. You bet. Best players are big, man. He's not Yokich years ago. He was but they they don't have the personnel around. I take a quick time. Apple coming up. Not only did the Celtics lose their third straight game. But nets fan shower the team with Kyrie's leaving chance we will discuss at the Celtics chemistry problems could actually start chipping away at Kyrie's promise to stay. On MBA's Saturday games on ABC thunder. Sixers three thirty eastern. And then our time game eight thirty eastern the Lakers take on James, pardon and the rot. They're both games. Are also available in the app. Watch him anywhere. Welcome back to jump. I'm Rachel Nichols. I'm not a hall of Famer, but he's a hall of Famer Tracy McGrady, he's all famous guide if and the Boston Celtics started two thousand nineteen with no hall of famers, but four straight wins that feels like a long time ago because they've lost three straight. As of last night. They allow the nets to put up forty four points in the third quarter after the game. Jalen Brown and Tatum both talked about Kyrie's comments from the last couple of days. But they didn't really seem to agree. Take a listen. Everybody up there buddy knows be more accountable. As a group is not one guy's fault. It's not young is. Oh, gosh. For everybody. We all got to be accountable and turn this thing around, really. Directly year. Stroke. When a championship. Sometimes. As you can see the young Celtics not getting as many touches as they did last year in the playoffs. Because gosh, there's more people who need to have Scotty are you with Brown or Tatum because you know, this all comes off kyri saying over the last couple of days that the young guys don't really understand what it takes to win a championship. Just wait till they get into the NBA finals type of scenario. Situation because when things boil outside the locker room is hard to bring it back back in and you know, this is a year really for Qadri being tested as a leader. And how he's handled it as a leader. We don't really know who the leader heels for the Boston Celtics. We thought it was last year recovery, but he suffered an injury where the younger guys. Jalen brown. Terry rosier Tatum. Those guys stepped up in became leaders, very fast. They grew up with them season. So you come back this season those players thinking differently now they're thinking all star game. They're thinking starting again this season and for the coach in for the ball sale, this organization, they look things differently. We we brought in two guys here that we believe can lead this franchise into. I is in terms of what he's trying to do this year on his leadership row. It's tough being a leader amongst men, and I think he is trying he's Trist trying to say the right things. And sometimes you gonna row people to wrong way. Right. You can't worry about that. I mean, the most important thing is that you guys concentrate on getting better as a group, right? Let's identify what I rose are. I think that's kinda miss what I rolled off at the same. And that's the toughest thing. And that falls back on Brad Stevens and Danny age. I mean they have too much on their plates much on their plate. Problem to have. But you're right. You're right. If guys don't know kind of what their role is and one thing for why is he talking to me like that? He thinks he's this team. But of course, Kyrie thinks he's the leader of this team. He's the one with the ring he's in with the game seven hero shot and he's having a fantastic season on the court. They're struggling a little bit for the pieces off the court and look fans. Of course, they're gonna wanna take advantage of that nets fans trolling the Celtics last night. Big time. Take a listen to this. Second-year pro from Germany. And this nets lead has been as large as twenty six. Score at that point was ninety two to sixty seven. It's not good. I mean, you guys heard kyri, you know, came up the middle of sat in the middle Boston Garden, and basically nounce to the world. He intended to resign at the end of this season. I think we have the sound here. Not a hundred percent like guaranteed. I'm coming back. I plan on re-signed him back here next year. Do you think Scottie that he stood in the middle of Gostyn gardens that I plan on resigning mixture, do you think he could ever go back on that? Yes. I mean organizations always go back home players trade them. So there there's no nothing in stone. The he can't go back. And obviously he didn't know what this season it's going to take on. And it's it's been to offer for him to be the leader in the carry. This team is time for him to step up because that's what the Boston Celtic to me knees is a leader on the basketball court, obviously career gonna take the last second shot. We we know that he's developed that. But can you develop the leadership for the locker room? You can go back on that. I know I understand he didn't sign anything in blood. You have to say that. The arena as everybody you're saying that mean, Danny aines, it's not going to try to trade him like. Thank you. I don't think he's gonna get his worse. If. Anthony Davis this year, and for kyri if he decides to leave where you gonna go that you're going to be able to compete for it. I just think there's a lot of in-house pressure with these young players that they wanna play. There is there's minutes wanting to be demanded out of those players and those players have grown. They won't that last shot. Wanted when he wanted to get away from LeBron these young players feeding it right back to I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little nervous about this seem I have them picked him. I don't even know if they can get past the first second round the way they're playing it is that that there too inconsistent with their play. And I thought reaching the halfway Mark. They were figured out. I knew it was going to be some struggles. But she because he adding carry back in the lineup, and you add in Gordon. Hey, wouldn't some of these other guys rose we're going to reduce I didn't think it was gonna take this long? I would say that. Because he didn't know all that what you're saying. And what you're saying. Maybe we should not have gotten up in the middle in Boston Garden and said I plan on reciting here next year that I agree with and then he would have had more flexibility. I don't think after you've already demanded a trade from one team off of a team that kept going to the finals because you said you just needed to find. Your home, and you found it ended up in this fantastic situation. Boston, I do not think you can sit in the middle of the arena, make a promise. And then leave the next year. I just I don't I think he put pressure on. You know, I don't think he has to he's the one who made the decision to it. He is the one who made that choice. I'm not saying that like, it's a loyalty thing. I'm just saying that he's the one who said I'm giving everyone my word. I'm saying I'm gonna do. Good. Manage dealt with Jerry, Krause, that's what that is. We have to move on. Because it's time for one of the marika's longest running soap operas. Yes. The kings turn and what does every good to about? About time meeting. Secret platz. Yeah. According to our friend Sam amick for the king's GM, bloody develop held a conference. Call Monday to tell the teams minority owners to back off and let him do his job. He reportedly wants them to stay out of front office matters. And stop leaking internal documents to internal info to the media. So what are they do? They leaked into the media. Jason Anderson of the Sacramento bee later tweeted, I asked about the lead story tonight regarding his conference call quote, I just told them about my plan. He said the story says you told them to stop meddling leaking stories. Yeah. Said body that's my plan. Got it does deserve more respect because he made a lotta mistakes early in his front office tenure, but he seems to have grown into the role more, right? I think we we descend give him a fair shot. And obviously the same very young. And you know, the pressure's on no one really judge. You about your personnel on your team. They judge you by your record. And so is taking him a little time. But his players have responded for no Vlada has done a great job. You got to think about the Western Conference, and what players are out here. We're talking about the best of back. Steph Curry's, katie's LeBron James James harden and a in a conference where the best players are in this Lee on in one conference, and you turn this young team into a competitive team with your draft with the free agency, moves trades. I mean, he's he's done a phenomenal job. The Aaron FOX is gonna be a perennial all star, buddy healed. I mean, the development of him this year, really collie Stein. Getting guy lackey months shepper who's been playing alongside LeBron James for so many years and being in that locker room and. Teaching these young guys I give him a lot of credit. I mean, they're draft pick mistakes mistakes and trays just simple sort of clerical things that really cheated them as a franchise out of things. But that hasn't happened in a few years and the draft picks uneven. But as you say Scotty this latest group in the way, they're hanging together. And then the development under Davy ager daring FOX having a rockstar. And group is threatening to get in the playoffs. Of course, they still have drama, and they keep up the plot lines on the court as well. Eamonn Shumpert taking exception to this heart screen, sit by use of Newark in the first quarter last night shoulder catching ship in the face after the game security guard with had to stop some entering the blazers lack of room to confront Eric. Some played her said some stuff needed to be said between me and him a conversation between two men some stuff happened out there that we needed to have a conversation about that. As all and Eric suspense was. I'm not worried about it. He's going to tune. I just have it. I said, I'm not worried about a guy going into retirement. She the beach real. See I respect what he wants. Right. He didn't say anything out the way like, you know, I'm going after this. Now, he said conversation conversation between two men needed especially after that screen. It was legal screen. Come out and say this man is going to be retiring soon. I'm not worried about like come on, man. I mean. No, I was it was almost a flop. Things like that happen. The basketball court. You know, you have to learn the give and take and Amman has found a way to get that leak back. Whatever. Go back to the court. He went to the locker room. Hey, listen. I'm a father. Not the court Arkansas man, that's the Arkansas coming out of this guy. Right. Looking for someone that lock? Room, but is used concede. Charles Oakley, was it. Smart for that. Pants. They put on him though. So that's that's good. Let's get to the joke recommend fourteen day Merck. Spears at the end of feed work with Jimmy Butler on a piece Butler prepares to cases former team tonight, he told spears on the trade request. I don't have regrets. We will discuss after this. If it was really the right move stick with us. Hey there on kindergarten tonight on sports are the eagles answer between Carson Wentz. And Nick foles cost. What's the level concern that LeBron and the Lakers will miss the postseason and Jay Williams answers? The biggest question right now. Duke six eastern sportscenter with Keith Olbermann after PTI. Previously on dances with T wolves in just the past two days Jimmy met with Tibbs where they were supposed to get on the same page before training camp opens a wait. No Butler, ask for trade. Andrew Wiggins brother sent out this tweet hollow ya. Got another. Whoa. Damn bolster Jimmy Butler participant, Minnesota's practice a session that included him verbally challenging teammates coaches office heard. He picked the third stringers. And he's eat the starters. People think because you are back in practice that this is fixed or it's on its way to being fixed or people think think people think that I would think that too. What do you think it's not Jimmy to be in the lineup from the again, that's fluid? What's faded Jimmy Butler shipped out of Minnesota? He's heading to Philly puts pressure on Tom Theban DOE. Who bet the franchise Jimmy one summer and has now made a deal that at the end of the season will help determine if he keeps either of the two jobs he currently holds Tom far is president and head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. There was a sense of inevitability that he would not return next season. Sunders? It is BA coachee career. Today. Jimmy ballers rollercoaster season comes full circle as he faces his former team for the time when the timber wolves. Visit the Sixers Butler telling me undefeated, Marc spears doesn't regret his crate request or his short stint with the wolves. It was all a learning. So Tracy is everyone better off. Now. Thanks short term. Everybody is better off. I mean, I've seen cat put up some huge numbers that saves has gone. Jimmy Butler is gone. Even Andrew Wiggins has washed Washburn play. Okay. See? I mean guy was he looked like the player that everyone expects him to be. He was coming down shot after shot hidden timely shots playing great defense and even hit the game when his shot that that night a half thirty eight points, that's short term long term. I don't think. So I mean, I just think if these two guys. Butler tips and Andrew Wiggins. And if they the way these guys are playing right now without those guys without tips in and and Jimmy Butler, the wetter plan now they should have been playing together because those three with the coach of temp Tom tiptoe plan the way they plan. They are a powerhouse in the western comes. These guys are two talented not to be being able to figure it out. My thing is I think is more of a chemistry problem. I don't think that they really felt the identity that they needed to know who their leader was I think Jimmy Butler came in. And he wanted it and towns wasn't willing to give it up. And it was just a not down thing between those two guys. And I think teams may have played a little little bit into that role in terms of taking size of being with Jimmy Butler into cardio. And now feeling like, you know, Jim is going to be our guide. But I think it's been a win win situation for for both. It's been great for Jimmy, but also more so for the guys on the timber wolves. And maybe even because of losing the coach more so than losing Jimmy Butler franchises are a little bit inflex this season. I want to also hit the Sixers site because Tim Bontemps has a piece on ESPN dot com today about the Sixers stretch of games coming up this could really determine their eventual postseason fate rep around said he's looking forward to playing some of the elite teams Joel Embiid said we're going to see how good we are. And how good we can become. Or how bad we are the next three weeks are going to shape our season. It will be exciting. It will be a good test. Let's look at what the about this is their next thirteen game gun. Okay. National TV eleven of thirteen times twelve of the thirteen teams with winning records, and this goes, right, basically through and then a little bit past the trade deadline you finish. This stretch was like, you know. Well, yeah, you are. He's three and eleven. It's not not. So good. I think this is a great stretch for Philadelphia. In terms of them bonding together, Jimmy ballers, obviously like playing with these two guys. And that's something we didn't see in Minnesota. So that says a lot, and I think going on the road is the time. When teams do come together. I think it's going to be a great gift some row. I think there'd be these guys stay healthy. I mean, they have the personnel to go out there on the road play. Some great basketball. Look what you don't want to do because we're winding down to the all star break. You don't wanna go into the all star break where you have a losing record. Because we knows what happened when these teams come out all star break, and you're not playing great basketball. It's tough to get back in that, you know, that rhythm. And then he's got star shutting it down. I'm not saying that best players the players on the team. They're ready for Cancun. I mean, this affects positioning if they fall, you know, if they end up in like, the five seed all of a sudden, maybe you are first round exit scheduled the term. In so much. The Sixers have that great scheduled to end the regular season last year, really like sort of swept the momentum into the playoffs. I'm curious about this the road has not been completely friendly to this team. That's where they had the incident that whoa. Jim Ramona reported up in Portland between Brett Brown and Jimmy Butler. And I still think unless this team gets more shooting all these little friction points that could just be minor things that could get over have become virtue points because they're exacerbated by some of the problems in the spacing and everything winning on the road is something you have to develop in Philly being a young team yet to develop nightly and to do it one way or the other right? If the if you don't do it. You don't deserve to have that good go on coming up after the break Lakers three and seven without LeBron this season they have fallen out of the playoffs. We will discuss what's at stake for the Lakers tonight versus the both. But first another distant replay this one thousand seven featuring Gilbert arenas. Check it out. Any do it again? I know this one federal business logo you'll work back which hands up give. Providence. So so bad the richest the other day telling Gilbert arenas stories that should be a whole Spokane common level. Hanging out with Pablo here. Just a few minutes and talk about big Macs. Lezo fish, kyri Irving, getting trolled in Brooklyn for their Tonio Brown makes sense for the forty Niners. Andy worst prank in the history of college basketball. Stay tuned. That's not a teams. I don't know. What is Wednesday doubleheader tips off in Boston big one between rappers and at eight o'clock eastern roof over pelican wars. Our coverage begins with NBA countdown. Seven eastern on ESPN. The forty eight and sixteen. Here on the jump. Gelo, Mr. Russell asked if he deserves an invite to the all star game he said four Schorr chases these averaging nineteen th six less than thirty minutes of action a game. He's in the east all star had an all-star not this year. But I do love how this kid is playing share. If he keeps it up. Yes. He will be an all star not this year. Definitely not. He's playing well at the scene going. I like the confidence you're supposed to say. Yes. When someone asks you, but I don't think the answer is. Yes. Yes. Let's talk real over surgeons. They've won four in a row six of their last seven. Are you ready to jump back onto the jazz band wagon? Oh, yes. Yes. I will coach basketball team, and they know how to win and they know how to win on the road. I'm oppa stick with the go bare. He's a great anchor for them inside. You know, having a big makes it difficult. Not quite there yet. Number last year. They had a nice second half scouting. And they used it turned us some of that again. Let's talk about the pelicans. Anthony Davis is forty six points against the clippers last night at Staples led New Orleans their fifth win in seven games. Got he liked the pelicans getting their group back here for payments making serious contribution since he's been back. AD getting comfortable on the court. Is that what you're? Arena just fits. He looks good, man. Healthy plan. What they should've never got rid of Rondo cambering. Never got rid of Rondo shit of hate him. So gave him something keeping their. He would run those that if you wanna get with it. That's the same. Wow. There shouldn't be most when games January and yet the Lakers play the bull tonight that send should never follow muscling game. Anyway, the bows are ten thirty three after losing on the Lakers. Ten three three losing. No. I don't know what I'm reading here. But the Lakers lost castle Sunday. Tonight tonight, go with Rachel Rachel Nichols. Yes. Yes. Played the Cavaliers in lost that game. Yes. The caribous sort of boards tonight. Rachel. Yes. Magic johnson. And rob Pelinka got again that phone with who. And do what they gotta make some calls and make some trees. I don't know with who that's up for them to decide. I'm just saying a move has to be made. You can't lose to the Cavaliers and the boys in the same week and Knicks and the news, I mean, no disrespect to them. These guys they're rebuilding teams that are actively trying to lose. No, my point is sexually. Lebron on. Sara league past game of the night. Warriors at nine o'clock eastern Denver currently holding a half game lead over Golden State of the top seed out west. So number one going be tonight Scotty or golden stake in a. They play really well at home. You know, I think they're going to be up for this this game the game that you know. That I think that they believe that they can beat the warriors they play well at home I'll season. So I'm I'm going with the nuggets and. I think this is going to be a very important game. Because I'm sure Golden State is aware of what's at stake right now going into this game. So I think the nuggets is going to get a really good test from Golden State, right? They're going to be locked in. And they're going to want to try to win this game. I want to see if the nuggets are going to compete in and win this game on their home floor. I mean, I'm sure the warriors will put in a good effort. They had great game in Dallas Steph. Curry was on fire. I still don't think Scottie your tells us all the time when you're trying to three peat no game feels that important in January. I think they're going to feel like it's more important. I definitely feel the same as you. I think the nuggets definitely wants to win. This game me means a lot more to them than it does to Golden State state is still not arouse by them right now. That probably. We got to know. Tonight. Tree like energy, try tight. Also, you know in a row, whatever. Yeah. I know we spoke about Zion Williamson at the top of the show. But before we even got on the air guys. Here were saying they have already seen enough from Zion. To know he belongs in the NBA, we go as far as is to say, you think he's locked up in everyone picked completely. I think he's the biggest shoe. He's definitely going to be the number one pick. I mean, I think he's done enough for basketball college basketball that is is is more about him personal personally now. And I think for him was a young player that. I would shut it down. Let me let me. Let me actually I would stop playing because I feel that he could wrist a major injuries that could really hurt his career. He has sealed up the number. This question for you, the number one pick in the draft because he's the best player or because he's the most exciting player, and he has the machine behind him pumping him. I think is a lot of both. You think he's the best player in the draft. Yes. Really? I don't think he's the best player on the actually. I think RJ Baird is a better player. I, but I think picking number one, no. No, okay. So what are you putting? Fill in the seas. Winstons more exciting. He will feel the cease, but better planning thinking Scotties point if you did not go to college. Would you stop playing right now filling the seat football players doing it? Why not college football players are skipping a bowl games. And they're getting ready for the Combi. If I was him. I know that's lease three NBA. I'm out of here. This just in the buzzer catch ks not gonna like you to when you this morning. Lebron did the most work he has done at shoot around since straining his grin on Christmas day. He is said to be reevaluated tomorrow. Coach Luke Walton said he thinks the Lakers will get good news house. Lebron look into you guys. Overshoot. Good move faster today. Coming up. We're fresh out to don't miss the game Saturday rockets. I think he could.

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"Today's opening tip. Brandon Ingram talked on Corey brewer evoking memories of one brewer don't on Derek Fisher in that same spot ten years ago. What goes around comes there? But there video of Derek Fisher ten years before that. So Scotty is this the ten year challenge kind of going to the next level? Yeah. I think for raw get all. Gorge for what into the job? I'm Georgia Donald sitting in for our fearless leader Rachel Nichols. Joined by our NBA insider, Kevin arnovitz and six time MBA champion and hall of Famer Scottie Pippen coming up in just a few moments James Hardie capped off the month of January averaging over forty three points per game. Is it actually possible duplicate that kind of production, but first let's get to Anthony Davis who shook up the entire MBA. When news of his trade requests surfaced on Monday. Davis was fined fifty thousand dollars by the league yesterday because his agent. Rich Paul went on the record with that. Request to put the fifty thousand dollars into context here on this fine Davis making over twenty five million dollars this seek this season making the fine less than one percent of his overall salaries. So Scotty Davis, even cares about the fine at this point. I don't think he cares about it at this moment. I think he's looking at his father down the road that if I can get outta here. If I can get to a championship contender. I'm gonna make that money in the playoffs. So is. Not important for him about getting losing that money. But really getting the message across that. I want to go play for a contender. I want to be respected. I wanna be a starter. When he comes it all star game because people are not respected me for playing here for the pelicans. Because I am one of the top five guys in this game. I think in general you're incurring such a find your life is about to get better. Right. So for instance, Eric Bledsoe that fine ten thousand dollars for tweeting. I don't wanna be here when he was in Phoenix in presto, one year later, he is the starting point guard for the east number one teen. Yeah. If you're getting a fine for a trade request that is generally good thing in your life is told to a better life. And I I suspect that he has that much money upholder is it annoying. At least I guess at the very least, you're like are you serious? You're going to find me, you know, I think this is all part of the kabuki theater. Right. Like the has to look like it's in forcing the collective bargaining agreement. So they find the person the person gets me. Eager fine for the person being fine. Because the league has to work for the twenty owners for whom this is a very scary revelation, right? Is that they aren't they are more. They're more pelicans in the league there are Lakers shirt. And I think it'd be an the that the league knows that the players are gonna take this this rule. There's no player going to stay when organs as if they're not happy midseason, off-season, whatever they're going to be able to get their point across in this incident. Davis don't care about this fifty thousand dollars for people questioning that maybe he's kind of checked out of the New Orleans pelicans. That wasn't the case. If you watch last night, we have the video here. He was actually in the huddle. He was offering advice to the coaches to the players during that game. And that win yesterday in Houston that it's got to be a good sign at least elegance for a great sign. And when you see players said those things like that, they never leave their their teammates side is really about guest organization in about more comfort for them. He felt like that. He deserves to be on a better place. He feels like he deserves to be continuing for title and. When guys say these type of things most of the time, their teammates know that it's coming out, and they have accepted because we've seen over the last few weeks years that the loyalty between the teams in the players go both ways and sometime when a player take that first step. It doesn't look good from public standpoint. Because of the fans and all, but is part about business now giving it is weird though. Scotty pointed out the fans have this crazy reaction to players wanting to move and have mobility whereas in real life. We all wanna have upward mobility, right? Like doesn't. It seem strange to you the fans take that tact. Right. But I think there's this perception that sports is exceptional that it's not governed by the rules of everyday life. Like, you might wanna work elsewhere, I might wanna work elsewhere. And and that's that's a product of professional life in this country. You get tired of your firm. You get tired of you place a business. Like, let's try something new. I want to change the scenery, but athletes are not traditionally afforded those courtesies by Minneapolis fans. It's seen as sort of a Jackson. Yeah. I bet it's but speaking of the pelicans the potential distraction of the Anthony Davis trade request. Didn't stop them from beating the rockets last night after the game. James harden, wasn't happy with the rockets defense. Let's take a listen. Terrible. We're not good enough to turn it on. So we got to get up to really the star Tanny tonight was one of those nights where we didn't play well defensively. And I mean, even though we shot the ball. Will you give confidence? Sherline the game the capable of anything. What do you make comments and the loss to the pelicans? This is the twenty seventh ranked defense in basketball for all we talk about hardens experts which awesome to watch in the offense of firepower. They have when they are healthy. Like, you're not gonna get anywhere. They give a hundred and twenty one points to a team with one functional offense of player, drew holiday. Right. They are one of only three teams in the league to give more than thirty percent of their rebounds on the offensive end in. They got crushed again on the glass. Like, this is the problem there. They found like crazy last night. It wasn't so much problem with their one of the five most foul runty. They do not defend and there's really I mean, we can go back to the Trevor reason the loop Mahmoud Tei or whatever else it is the day to not have either. They don't have the defensive personnel particularly cappella not on the floor. But like they're a bottom five defensive team. And it's just like this is what happens how do you explain this off? I mean, you look at the new only pelicans, they're probably little frustrated about Anthony Davis leaving. So some other guys got them. A bit hungry. But you you saw a really excited team last night Dalil for who's been playing very well for them really came out and Mali when you run against the team. You don't know who the star is you don't know who's going to have that big night. They were very unpredictable last night. And that's really what happened to is. They ran into a team that was on predictable. They haven't been really paying attention to. Julia Oprah who's been playing real good basketball since they've lost Anthony Davis and they just play. Well, but I really thought that ju- holiday did a great job on James harden. I felt like it was his defensive pressure. The ability of him to be able to get to this shot blocked this shot a few times throughout their game. But really, you know, once you block the guy shot a few times, you got him thinking now, and I really thought he did a good job on them. Defensively. Did a lot of defensive things that I feel like that guy should be doing on Harley. That's forcing him to drive the ball. But not giving him the drive. He was super impactful. I don't think there's any question on that side of the ball is well, but I. To the wounded animal theory that when teams are short handed you have these moments we've seen this every year. There's at least a couple of games in the NBA because it's one out of eighty two that these teams that are headed come up and beat somebody. We don't expect it to be. Yeah. I mean, you tell me Scott any is there something just inherently flawed about the rockets and their defensive whether it's effort, whether it's whatever it might be. I think when you look at the Houston Rockets their bills and how they play the game. They just want to outscore you they are really not concerned about defending your stop you from taking certain shots. There focuses that they're going to outscore they're going to get up more shots than you. And they're gonna make more threes than you. And at the end of the game. They'll live with those results. Let's take a look at hardens incredible month here, I historic month here in January averaging forty three point six points per game. Yes, you heard that. Right. Forty three point six points per game. That's the highest scoring since Wilt Chamberlain back in March of nineteen sixty. Three anything. That's crazy. This. Parted scores are nearly sixty two points per game this one that's the most points created per gaming single month in NBA history. So Scotty is it possible? Hard to duplicate what he just did this month. You know, what he had a great run? I don't think is possible really because CPA three is now bag in Capella will be back in a couple of weeks or so, but you know, what those guys are not in the lineup. He do realize in. We all realize that he's probably one of the most potent scores that we've seen in the last twenty or thirty years of fact that he's really played into the rules getting to the foul line numerous amount of time shooting a very high percentage. You know, he's he's just an amazing player. I don't expect to see him continues run out there all star break CPA three. We'll get back. He will dominate the ball little bit more as well as Capello. So he will start to show this going, and it's probably best shoot it. Then he doesn't take that. That's the three a good thing. Right. Like if there's personnel coming back that that's a good thing for the rockets. I also think that we're gonna start seeing some. And rules like I mean, the defense is really starting to ski and he's been interesting like traveling. Alike. Oh. In other things, I think the rockets one away a repeat of two thousand seventeen we're Harding just had that unbelievable. Individuals season wins the MVP, but he was gassed I mean, he was gas by the time they got to the second round and to the extent with their flawed defense. This team is going to make a run like they need him to have some, you know, some oil in the tank when you look at their defense, though. I mean, is it they've got Jeff is delic- there certainly kind of their wonderful a great coach. But I think that there's something to be said about the leadership from the top. And I like my dental knee. I think he's a really good coach. I think he's arguably great coach. But shouldn't there be more of an emphasis on that side from him? Scotty. Well, I think once they get Capello back. You will see a little bit more of an emphasis, I just being I think the way that they play in their style is they're going to force you to play a fast paced game. And they're gonna outscore you they're going to beat you shooting threes right going to shoot more. They're going to make more and they just believe that their offense. Going one twenty one thirty that not too many teams in this league compete and its personnel. Right. No reason no bomb say no healthy. Chris Paul out. They were the number seven defense last season. It can be done. I mean they were committed to it last year. But yeah, right. And harden is extending a lot of effort on the offensive in, you know, not exactly distinguish himself defensively. Jamshir? No question about it. All right coming up next. Brandon Ingram posted a career high thirty six points last night as the Anthony Davis trade. Rumors continue to swirl can continue to play this well through all these. But first here's a distant replay from this date back in nineteen Ninety-six, featuring Magic Johnson. Rebounding. The freezer this freezing down. A make make miss Grace's smiley face. A make or miss league. Making heartbreak Rudy gay hits the buzzer beater versus the sons and Phoenix is now lost three games at the buzzer. In the last two weeks. I do feel bad for them. Nah. I really don't feel bad. That's what you go through a young team. If you go on things, but I'm happy to Rudy gate hit that game one had before him. Yeah. We'll have more on that a little later pop. Even with the game winner wasn't necessarily so happy. So stay tuned for that next. We've got miss defense Russ with a full head of steam here and the euro step here to the Cup. So Kevin this seemed to be having more fun this year. He is not had this much fun since she walked into the arena with that. Yeah. It was fun. Yeah. Scottie. He's having fun out there. I think he's having a lot of fun. I mean when you're winning that that says everything. Paul George's playing fantastic that also helps and be happy to make focus booze. Nets shabazz. Napier gets flat tired, then steps out and hits three with the shoe only half on. So Kevin was this as impressive as that? Mike Miller shot back in twenty thirteen. I think that's blasphemy by the producers, by the way. No, it is blast me. Right. Like, you have context and degree of difficulty. Because I didn't Mike Conroy slide back into the shot. So so did I mean, that's the reason through a shoe out of the way to contact in the finals in the final producer Steve just trying to get at me. The Knicks rivalry still going on right now on this show as we speak, so miss gre- Rajon Rondo check, this out drives left goes. No look to Zumbado slams at home. Scotty, you think you would have enjoyed playing with Rhonda would love to play run right now can get buckets. Kevin. What do you make Rondo and his style of play in twenty nineteen interesting? I we have mostly shoot I point guards. But Lonzo Ben Simmons largely because they have many of the same decisions as Rondo did when he came out, which they don't really shoot all that way. So you distribute distributed. All right time to run it back. Let's go rash on Rondos. Top career done we go to number three to start off the cross court skip past Ben macklemore in two thousand fifteen. Young man getting a bucket right there. Thanks veteran Stanley. Stanley six lives, dick, slim. That's impressive number two. Twenty ten flips it over his head to Ray Allen. For three. Splash. That is clear voyage is back. You look at this. Against against a six seven defender on his back and number one in Oakland behind the back. Again, he finds Ray for three. Scotty, you say look at it behind the back. You know, what I think this may be the last of the pass first point Dr. Yeah. This this guy. I mean, look how many people have been eating for this. Yeah. For sure for a long long, by the way, in addition to putting Corey brewer in a poster last night as we saw the beginning of the show. Brandon Ingram dropped a career high thirty six points on sixteen of twenty from the field. Scotty, he's got the trade. Rumors swirling around in his head. He's got to have them. But he told our David minimum. It was quote, just part of the business. Are you press with the way how this young man is handling this? I'm very impressed with him. The fact that you know, he's continued to focus on basketball, and he's really driving his value up. Whether he knows it or not. And you know, the fact that he's just he's using basketball as vehicle to continue to focus in get the Lakers better. Because I know it's been a lot of rumors about this guy last couple of years, but he obviously wants to be a part Lakers. He wants to play alongside LeBron James. So he just have to continue. Wait, wait. He's playing right now. And I think he's gonna impress the Lakers more than anybody. Here's my question. Whether you're branding room. Whether you're Lonzo ball, whether you're calc who's Mary any of the others, you basically walking in to a training syllabi and a locker room every day knowing that LeBron James would prefer that you go sooner than later. Right. And like what is that? I mean when New Orleans probably gonna stand Pat, we talk about all the deals, but chances are they're probably hold on today's events this season. What is that? Like, I mean, what is that going forward? I can't feel that those players feel that that way. I mean, they they look up to the Braun, and they respect and he wants. Yes. Truly helped them grow up salutes. And he wants I think he fills out seeing the problem win with a lot worse players. What he got on this team right now? I think he believes he can do some damage with these players. Whether he he's there with them the whole season of what he believes in any players that he played with. I don't believe Joe's, right. I don't blame him one bitch. I mean, he he would like to win. This is a team with limited. Well, and he said not to but he when he was asked a few weeks ago, or whatever it was, hey, would you wanna play with Anthony? Davis response was duh. Yeah. Of course, he wants to play with that day. So I don't I don't begrudge Bron for wanting to the Lakers to make that deal. But there is a kind of a human collateral, which is that to make that deal. You're essentially tacitly saying these teammates. Yeah. The sooner you're gone, the better. Well, but again, Brandon approach he doesn't work for the front office at the end of the day. He's not the guy that's going to make the decision. But at the end of the day. Day that you don't think that he's at least volved in the conversations. No, I don't think. So I I don't think he's comedy. I don't think he's going to be that kind of cutthroat guy. But I do think that anytime any player has an opportunity to enhance his team and his ability to win a championship. He's definitely going down to that. Yeah. It look. These guys are learning the hard way. Brandon Ingram said this is a business and sometimes trade rumors that's part of the business, and you just have to deal with it. You know, what I bet your Magic Johnson is looking at that game going. Yeah. Maybe I can't trade him for Anthony. Davis Ingram helped his cause helped the Lakers caused and the problem a little Antoine. Walker? Shimmy, shake I'm sure watching that game. Anyway, coming up. Do you buy the idea that kyri wants to reunite with Brian? We'll get to that in a second. But first here's a distant replay from this date back in two thousand. With. Oh, oh what come on white chocolate? Go down heritage. Give me give me give you more. But wait, there's more. That's the last great highlight the baby wore Knicks propaganda. Oh. Kevin Ghani tonight. I don't force agreeing Roger Goodell's first comments in the misfortune the NFC championship game. Baker may feel the key to the Rams beating the patriots and Stephen snits take on the Brunswick crew of Anthony Davis with field tonight, cities TCI. We really fortunate to win the game. I thought that they played us. Coach physical us executed us. We had no respect for them. Or for the game. We didn't play with each other. It was a pathetic performance in Phoenix. Got robbed. Okay. Then welcome back to the jump on Giordano in for Rachel Nichols here with Kevin arnovitz and hall of Famer Scotty Pippin. So we just heard coach pop Ripa steam after a win last night. Scotty, the a little too harsh after the win. Not not really I mean under his expectations, and what we are accustomed to see him from the Spurs. No because he expects his team to go out compete heart. Don't disrespect the team's record. And you know, give your best effort night in the night out. And he didn't feel like his team. Did that even though they they made a big shot really gate a win that game? They just didn't compete for that big. Shop is kind of an apt illustration of the dynamic because you know, usually see them come out with these sort of beautiful like last second shot choreography mount swinging around a couple of screens. And instead, it was gay Pounder laid his face. And you know, you got lucky it was it was a great shot. And it was dramatic something else going on here. Which is it was definitely an honest reaction. It was also a way that pop uses the media in the ways, and I think he wanted to have to ego Kokoschka of who's the Suns coach, she would pop things really highly. It was not a coincidence. That one of the first things out of pops mouth was we were out coached a magic as a tip of the hat for a guy who's in a really tough situation in Phoenix that he really admires. So I think it was also part of it. You can't do that very often though in as a coach, right? You only you bullets in pop credit because he's probably very familiar with prop system as as well. So they were able to defend a lot of the stuff that they were trying to run on the Spurs. Also dug out of a pretty big hole to start the season. Right. And maybe they're feeling themselves a little bit. And you know, pop needs to make sure you're feeling yourself for so long. Right. That's possible. I defer to him on motivation. Yeah. I don't think there's any question about that. There have been reports claiming that Cairo Irving wants to relive the glory days, potentially go back and play with his former teammate LeBron James, Kevin. Are you buying this idea? I mean, I'm fine that like he has a new appreciation for for what it is. Is that required to lead a franchise? I'm buying a lot away. From those experiences in Cleveland, and he has. The utmost admiration, I'm just not buying that he wants to return to that environment. I got us. Nothing more than two for again. I I don't think he had anything to defer about. I mean, they want chips ago. People say a lot to me about how you know, I co tale with Michael, but it was success together. So we did it together. And that's what I see here recovery. Lebron is like I've had a lot of success with LeBron. Let me try to get back there with him again. Because the NBA now is built on buddy system. You come play with me. We can win a championship together. They've done that if receded opportunity again to go on a tack a championship will LeBron James. He can't be that happy in Boston right now they're in fifth place in the east in the week east. So I buy that his team you don't think he cares that much. His team is not at the top. Well, and just. And just got he's point. Lebron gave him the opportunity hit the biggest shot in Cleveland sports history. Okay. So there is that. And the other part of it is that you're both kinda referred to a little bit is Kyrie. And I said this couple weeks ago here on this show of came into Boston being like all right on the accomplished guy on the leader. And I was joking at the time. He kind of sounded like LeBron when the Bronwin from Miami to Cleveland where it was like, hey, I'm here as the conquering hero. You guys got a follow me. And it's easier said than done you can't just proclaim that you're the leader and guys are going to find. And and the fact that did that got injured and a couple of young players became some Dole's, you know, in Jalen Brown in rosier and now coming back this year as well as Tatum. Those guys are not willing to defer to carry right now, I'm going to be on his and that's the problem. I see going on with balls is that those guys have seen their leadership step up in the last three hundred sixty five days that they first of all feel like they were all star this year. They didn't make it. But they're ready to be leaders in again like you said about Korean LeBron there. Not willing to go and stand behind because he hasn't really proven himself like career hat. I mean, like if Boston is playing in the finals, or even you all the way to the Eastern Conference, and they are following him. And he is making big shots. I mean, it seems to me that we don't have the information yet. It's going to determine his sentiment come June and July don't know fair. Those guys are gonna give that leadership yet. Right. We don't know if they are ready to pass that over to we've seen remake bigshots. Yes. He's taken a big shots down in the game. But let's look back a year ago when they didn't have Covey how well with the young players playing how much success about some Celtics were having they were at the top of the east last year. Now, they're in fifth. So have they dial back to feel idea Bill place or did they dial back thinking we're going to be leading in the east and career is going to be a leader. And we shouldn't have no problem into the finals. So you think they say, wait. What is the added value of Kyrie's leadership? It doesn't get us. Any far, right. Scotus point when LeBron lease Cleveland there a lottery team when kyri wasn't in Boston. They're like we got to game seven of these covers finals, and my point to all that Connery has yet to prove his leadership. He's yet to prove that he can take a team to the finals or wherever into the playoffs. You know, he got into last year. So he has to show that he can get a team to that level to Bill his his his value up as a leader. And this is not an indictment on Kyrie. I want to make clear that here but a couple of quick anecdotes right on my radio show on ESPN LA shameless. Plug makes you subscribe to the podcast that honor show. Jackie MacMullan, and Brian Windhorst. We're both on the show to talk about this particular subject, and Brian simply said look in the NBA. You can't dismiss anything anything is possible. Even those guys reuniting and Jackie said, something even more interesting about those young guys in Boston. Which was you know, they're kind of tired and kind of roll their eyes. When you hear kyri say, hey, I've got the championship. I won the championship. Because those guys look at it. Like, hey that was the bronze team it wasn't your team. And that that's what Jackie says was obvious plugged in his anyone when it comes to the ball is the motivation than for Kyrie to say. Then I'll go back to being Laurent or I'll prove I'll stay here in Boston. With a ton of talent more talent coming in. This to me is not a reason for him to go to Los Angeles. So reason for him to stay in Boston where he's going to be surrounded by talent improved of the world that it's his team. I think that room only comes up because they've had players to develop in his position. Jaylen brown. Could play his position Terry rosier can play his position. So Boston is very strong at the two guard position. So when he throw that out there, he just kind of letting you know that, hey, if they're not happy with me here. I have in the value on go play. Lebron again, we'll have more Celtics coming up here in just a second. Kevin. Thank you for hanging out, brother. Restriction. Fictions out. All right. Here's the recommends today. Tim Bontemps who's gonna join us in just a second piece up on the ESPN app dig into what the Sixers should do as we approach. The trade deadline is I mentioned he'll join us next to discuss stick around. This week's MBA Saturday, primetime games at all California affair a warriors host. The Lakers are coverage tips with MBA kept down at eight eastern on ABC, and you can watch always on both on television and the ESPN app from anywhere. We now. Welcome in ESPN, NBA writer, Tim Bontemps to the show. So Tim, we're gonna get right into this with you. All right. Sixers mindset, we need to know what it is heading into the trade deadline. They hundred percent sold on the current version of the roster. Or are they going to look to make a move? I think the best interest. We don't know George, right? We're gonna know next Thursday where we get to the deadline, and we'll see if the sexiest go out and they make a move to improve this roster. A couple of moves, right? You know, Brett Brown for weeks. Now, saying, hey, look, we we need to get more depth on the scene. We have the top three or four guys. But the rest of our team just isn't good enough to compete in the east. You know, even with the issues talk about with Boston before with Milwaukee with Toronto. Those teams are just better than the than the Sixers are from top to bottom. And if they're willing to go out and use Marco fault or use picks to improve that second half their rotation from the five. Spots. Maybe they can't get out of these this year. But if they don't, and they don't aren't willing to make that move. Then maybe you go. Hey, maybe this team isn't, you know, they don't believe Jimmy Butler, as you know, a third piece with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid long-term because not willing to invest the assets now to make their team goes candy. Scotty, what is the Sixers team missing? Well, I think they could use offense. But I liked the way they seem constructed right now, I think they have some pieces that is very valuable in terms of what they can do in the east in terms of winning championship. I don't think they have all those he's yet, but they can be very competitive team in the east so Jimmy boggles, very dominant. Joel Embiid is very dominant. And I think been Simmons can be dominant. He has shoot the ball better in terms of the postseason, but their team that I believe defensively can be very effective offensively. They're not gonna put up the numbers, but I believe in winning championships through your defense. And I do believe that this team is constructed while enough that they can get to the question at the top half of the raw. That's true. You know, you look at joylin you look Jimmy Butler, yoga, Ben Simmons, even JJ Radic has become a really good team defender, right? The issue is you go to their bench and major sham. It's been great as a rookie. But he's not gonna play defense scholars not gonna play defense. You know, they don't have anybody on that bench. That's gives them defense and athletes them. That's why Corey brewer coming in. He's immediately playing right. Because even though it's coming right off the street, basically. It's like, oh, hey, here's a vet that I can play that. No one's going to guard. Right. The first gay place. James harden? He's guarded on the ground. You know, when everybody's going crazy. So that to me is what they need to do if they wanna really be contenders. Because you look at Jason Tatum. You look at Kawai Leonard. You look set of Cuco Khris Middleton if they're gonna play these teams they're gonna have guys besides Jimmy who can guard, but they they're not a team. That's that's Bill to have shooters. I mean, you look at their starting five been SIMS going to be a starter. Right. You know, he's he's not going to be a great shooter. And to me, I think he has to impose himself on offense of in and do more be more effective scoring the basketball and be be more aggressive or no he has all around package. That he can do things on the basketball court. But that's not what that team needs at time from him. He doesn't have the ball gets very passive to exactly. Last year at the buyout market trade deadline time, they added Ersan Ilyasova, and Marco belletti, some shooters Ilyasova place pretty good defense to are there guys out there that they could add like that guys that can help them as far as kind of spacing the floor better and can help them a little on the defense. They liked Dwayne deadman with with the hawks. And you know, that's the guy that they would be able to potentially trade for but they'd have to trademark to do it. So far, they haven't really been willing to do that. I don't think that Atlanta's going to be buying out guys again because you couldn't get suffering. They bought him out. They went to Philly and they played. Well, I I don't think Atlanta's in a position to do that right now they're playing while I want to kind of keep what they got going. And if you look at the history Lee, George, you know, this like bio guys, generally don't do much, right? Like lash went crazy. Joe Johnson went to the hawks. He did nothing. Brandon. Right. Went to the hall or the rockets did nothing a lot of times. Guys. Are you know, big name players that are at the end of their Tracy McGrady goes the Spurs right doesn't the occasional guy works out? But it's more of an outlet Anderson. Yeah. Exactly. But to expect that those guys are going to be the we're gonna make gonna get these two guys. They're going to be big additions. I just don't think that's realistic Scottish point like this team is good. And I think they'll get to the second round almost regardless. But if they want to really make a run, I think they have to make moves. And if they don't I think, you know, I had executive text me earlier today saying, well, you know, the Sixers are looking for guys that they traded, and and you know, they're not gonna keep Jimmy anyway. And like if they don't act stuff if they don't make moves now, you could go, hey, you know, we'll figure it out in the off. So maybe that means they don't believe in Jimmy is part of the going forward. Let's go to the Celtics if you cover them as well, and they're sitting fifth place right now in the east. They win a sexy picked to win the east during the season and in the preseason. But they haven't figured it out yet. Why why what's the problem there? I mean, you guys hit on a bunch of it before. But I think it really goes back to corden Hayward. I think he's the center of all this stuff. If when you have a hierarchy and Scotty, speak this better than me. But it seems to have a hierarchy gosh pop the bottom, right, and it should have been living. Gordon Hayward at the top. And then things kind of trickle down from there. We'll Gordon Hayward is not the player. He was before the injury. Not his fault. But he isn't. And that to Scottish point before has impacted with young guys look at things terro g or wants to get paid this summer. Jalen brown. Played great. The plow Fleischer minutes are caught me Gordon Hayward. They're Gordon Hayward. It's not playing at the level. He supposed to and and that also he's kyri now having to try to say, hey, young guys. You gotta get in line. And they're saying, well, hey, why are we getting line by Gordon Hayward who is playing at the level we want, you know, you mentioned Jackie to like the frustrations in Boston across the border evident. And it all comes back to the fact that Gordon isn't a guy he's supposed to be Scott. Did we get spoiled when it comes to Gordon Hayward with how quickly Paul George came back from a similar injury? I think we really did. And I think what we're looking at two different athletes. Paul jaws superior athlete very athletic bounce back from this injury. And you know, you can't even tell and we've watched Hayward kinda struggle to get back. And really hasn't found the confidence that he needs some basketball court. So I don't want to blame what's going on with the Celtics on Hayward. But I think is a collective thing. I think is really about the success of their young. Players but also being able to coach guys like Rian Hayward and to get them to fit in and buy into what they create it last year because those young players built up a lot of confidence a lot of steam a lot of talk about being all stars in the future. So those players came in this season thinking like they're gonna get those same minutes. They're going to be better than they were last year. And it hadn't happen that wait for them in the balls and Celtics as a team has struggled from that. Because of that they are infill plays and the tooth automatic. Is the all star game. We'll put this team back on the map. But I think all these players were playing for a different tasks first few months this season. And you see them start to play a different role the next three months before if this summer, I think if AD is on the Celtics by July first, they're going to be fine in Kyrenia because the logjam will be cleaned up. And they'll move a lot of these guys. Right. What if eighty isn't on the team on July first, then I think you start to wonder like, okay, what's gonna have Irving because then? You know, you mentioned he's fresh air with these young guys. He looked at this team. Let's say lose in the second round. Right. If you go. Hey, this team just isn't at the level. I need to be and I can go play with Bronner go play with New York or somewhere else. Right. Then like more possibilities open up. But I think if eighties on July. I I don't think I was going anywhere. All right coming up next. The pelicans begin a defined job Okeafor that is I'll explain in a moment. But first it's time for our final replay of the show this one from twenty twelve featuring Blake Griffin. Really let them play. It's a physical game. Forgot about that. Kendrick. Be hungry. Sit there. Worse than that file. Hanging out with Pablo we here in a few minutes to talk about the NFL really needs. A new rule why we should all want kyri and LeBron back together. Fair to call the Spurs Fetig end as slapped challenge. Stay tuned. Makes you check out high noon with Bomani, and Pablo our MBA double header tonight starts in DC with the Pacers. Wizards then it's off to the rose city for the jazz and trailblazers coverage begins with NBA countdown the show beetle and company at seven on ESPN and ESPN app. Here's some Bradley. Beal access though before all this courtesy of the NBA. Inns cone. Kind of goes a little to the house. Don't land the baby stuffing on junk, anywhere. My office, which has been probably point five percents or my officers framed. I didn't put it up. You. Remember is. Turn of the family will Israel baby deuces all this time. Stacks, diapers were just kind of forget about Brad little brats. She goes down. It's weird. I don't get to work. But I do eat a lot even always count them his their boy to be loaded with James, even even little baby. He's. Flu. To censor. This is probably been nicest part of the house the basement. Big panda. What you need baby snakes on kind candy machine. Snow comb team right there fairy movies or on the wall playing basketball and Pedic bay. When I get which. Remember the times you miss all night you to Homebrew. Hamis parker. Jerseys framed my boy, Paul peers. Which of a reason this was one of our wages just wanted to keep rookie all-star game. Florida jersey college draft ball three point contest. My first time do it. This is my first career high when I forty to take it to the man cave. You can see fielding. This is me. TV's always games. Scrape you man. Caves, really good, man. And I hate them saying. Has this may actually old cards, and it's just me painted over two favorite pups. See maybe takes it. Jake. No. Thank you. She's like good. Bye. Don't leave. We all. That was cool. I know that newborn life Bradley trust me. I got you. It's crunch time here on the jump USA versus the world rosters for the rising stars game was announced yesterday. Scotty, which Rostro talent USA baby. Okay. Why didn't blue? Yeah. What do you think? Tim. I'm same wavelength. Look at these guys this games usually kind of filling out the roster their stars all over the place. Yeah. I think the edge. There is the Don bunk. Donna veg the shooting guard against that gives me the edge. I'm team USA as well. So we move on net gains. The nets won twenty eight game of the season last night matches their entire win total for all of last season. So Tim is Brooklyn a good team. Or just a good story. I think they're good team. I mean, they've won a million games here. The last few months and their player development staff has really taken off here. You've got Kenny Atkinson, I think in considered for coach the year, and they're going to be a tough team. I think in the first round with the number of threes. They get up and care sliver coming back here too few weeks. What do you think Scottie things the good story? I think what Russell is doing this season his growth mature. You know, he's really making a run this season. Being all I we move on still hurt. And with this news. We'll have to put our shillue Okeafor update on hold and also today LeBron went through a full practice as he continues to progress towards a return from his groin injury. But the Lakers just announced he's out on Thursday against the clippers. So Scotty, what do you think will Brian actually returns? I would say maybe a couple of weeks after all celebrate. Oh, okay. Practice in. I don't expect them to participate in the in the whole story vents, hopefully, they at least hold him back and give them some out for a month. Yeah. I'm expecting him. Not to show up at least for another couple of weeks after the book. Also, put them behind the eight ball here as far as you've been making a playoff spot. He's out of the Lakers are not making the ploughs. Okay. I mean if he's out a month. That's what another twelve fourteen game. Right. I mean, that's that's a lot of time out. Okay. Well, there's been a lot of talk about Anthony Davis ending up in LA. But wonder if he actually has a better chance of being traded, maybe to the Knicks more next propaganda. The Knicks offer the pelicans porzingas Kevin Knox. And this year's first round pick for the browse. So Scotty should the Knicks consider entering the AD. Sweep six I would I would say out of it. I got a couple of good pieces in knots. Draft picks. I would probably stay out of it. Because to get a D you're going to have to put a lot on the table. I'm actually gonna go the other way. That's I respect that opinion. But you look at the the next if they can get Anthony Davis right now, there's already a lot of talk to Kevin Durant's got to go to the next. Right. But they have to clear money to do that. Anyway, if you have anything Davis on the Knicks, and you have at that point cleared money to then sign another star, whether it's Katie or kyri or any of these guys is summer. The Knicks can say, hey, we've got Anthony Davis on our team complete with us. I mean, I don't know how you could find a better sales pitch getting on starting that imagine eighty with either of those guys in the Knicks would actually be good for the first time in decades yet, look, I I get all that and playing a Madison Square Garden. I'm sure you know, all the guys seem to love. I'm sure Scotty. You had some great games there. I seem to recall you did. All right there, you know. But I just feel like. I guess the number one pick, right? Like, let's say they won't pick. Don't you have to protect it at least like number one protected because of Zion. You don't wanna lose that? Now your top protective. But also you're getting Anthony Davis here. Right. You're getting Anthony Davis. You're not getting a solid player. Good player. Right. Top-five guy. And you then you have the ability to get Kevin Durant. Kyrie Irving or these call. No can't take that bit. Well, if I may Davis, I don't necessarily wanna go there. I right like, I don't want that same hoping Katie Katie is going there. Now, I have to think them getting eighty would drastically improve their chances to do in the short. I think that's possible. Let's move on. Donovan Mitchell sophomore slump is long gone, and he has the jazz on a roll Utah's one fifteen of twenty games and nine out of ten. Thanks. Donovan Mitchell, averaging thirty points six assist per game. Over those ten Mitchell told Dr Tim McMahon, ESPN dot com for speech quote. We went from a team where essentially everybody overlooked this, you know, because last year to come out and pretty much everybody wanted our head for the beginning. Scotty is Utah finally living up to expectations. Well, I think they are on. I don't think everyone wanted. They had a lot of teams in the west got better. Yeah. That's just simple point blank. What happened, but you know night in the night out teams are going to come at you. And I'm sure Mitchell starting to learn that the second year round because now last year he built a name for himself, and when you show up in arenas now the fans noble you are. So that's really what he's getting to see. But you know, you talking about a very good defensive team go bare raining defensive player of the year. So they're going to be a team to be dealt with come postseason their team to no one wants to play because they are such a scary team in a well coached thing. One nine or ten Mitchell's gotten used to Scottish point to being the guy that people are gaming planning for right? But to me for the for the jazz really be the team to get in my opinion to get to the west conference finals to be the favorite to do that. I think they need to take my Conley available available. He's a perfect fit for the way the jazz play for the for the way their culture set up one of the best guys in the league. They could trade Dante Exum. First round pick dare favors. Ricky rubio. You know, they're still have the rest of their core there. And to me why Connery's perfect guy play with Don. Mitchell going forward to the guy who can handle the ball could score can shoot and can take a little bit of that pressure off him. So teams can't go into to say, hey, we have to really lock in on Mitchell. And nobody else I think those are all great points. Also had the second toughest scheduled to start the season. They played so many games on the road, or whatever it was. Now, the second easiest schedule and Donovan Mitchell since Rubio's been out has been controlling the ball, and that's an aspect of his game that he's developing. So all right. Let's go to the buzzer. Here. Here's count coups today. Knows always a good thing. Trae rumors as everybody always says means you have value. And I mean that just you're gonna be in his legal on time. When you first get some day twenty. Did you wonder what that might mean for you or anything, you know, not really? Great care last. Scotty. Appreciate his honesty. Appreciate it's on its anytime that you playing good on the best of all all the teams want you. I keep it up young fellows. No doubt about it. All right for the hall of famers. Scotty Pippin for Tim. Bon temps and Kevin arnovitz, Georgia. Donna Rachel be back in the chair tomorrow. Same time. Same place have a great day.

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The Last Dance Review | Episodes 3 & 4

"Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Dirt Supine Bo. Oliver today joined by Aaron Leonard. Sue Monkey also here Started their little. I hit a dead spot on that old. Nineteen Eighty Celtics Hardwood. You weren't sure if it was today or not. I wasn't sure yeah no idea my perception of time the other day someone says Oh. It's it's thundering. It's snowing by me like dude. Be careful next morning. I'm like how is that snowstorm last week. Did you guys get through that she goes you mean last night? I swear that was genuine. Dude I had no idea a whole days a week for me now but I tell what April is going a lot faster than the March. April is just two weeks of March where Crawl April. Speed my yes. Someone said March was a year April. It's been a week it's just been and by but we are back to review and other episode and other two episodes episodes three and four of the last dance. The Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls nineteen nineties documentary about the final season of their dynasty. But they've been going back a couple of years. Looking into the origins of Scottie Pippen Jordan of course Dennis Rodman in these two episodes more so and even Phil Jackson. But I guess we'll start with the star of these episodes Dennis Rodman. He was just lighting it up on twitter as well. People can't get over. How eccentric this man was in his playing days and I still can't get over that there's a let him take a forty eight or what we're supposed to be forty eight hour vacation in Vegas. I need one of those so God damn bad that I love the back four Michael Jordan. It's like I need a fuck vacation for anybody. Needs evacation the way he told. That story was so hilarious. Somebody said that he invented load management by going to he literally took load management and just went to Vegas and he said we give them forty eight hours. We ain't getting them back in two days now the Jordan new. I think the thing about Phil Jackson and I think it's very evident in that decision will let him go is just the way he understands his players where. I don't think any other coach like are you serious like all this thing about team. I like your turn back in your teammates. He knew it's like I know. Dennis on a personal level. I love that connection. They have with the The native American culture and how they bonded over that I had to laugh out loud when he said that he says me and Denis have a native American bond. Yeah of course Phil. Jackson has this bond tennis. I love that friendship me to my favorite thing all time. Even though I hate Phil Jackson but pass Phil. Jackson can't hate Phil Jackson key. Look over it until we get out of that hole that he dug us in. Yeah we pay Joachim Noah. We already six feet underground. He basically added a couple of inches. Come on well Couple of everything was going swimmingly with Isaiah Marbury before Phil came up but just the wall and I guess foresight to let him do that like he had to basically carry the low hip out. He needed a break. And it's going to vegas with Carmen Electra. Yeah that was so funny the story of Jordan running around Vegas trying to find Rodman. Someone said let's be. Let's be honest here. Jordan was out there on the crap tables. He's getting a couple of hands in gotta find. Dennis fastball yeah. No now she's so we'll go back to your point about Phil Jackson Weird Transition Carmen to fill. Yeah no that's why he A lot of people consider him the best coach of all time and in the shack biography. One of the biographies that he wrote he talks about his first meeting with Phil Jackson and how they kind of developed his friendship where he knew that Kobe would be fine but that he had to almost suck up to me talking about track that I had to be the favourite be like a father figure. Kobe didn't need to talk to. He knew he was going to be out there. Playing Artists Phil Jackson knows personalities. He knows how to motivate people. He knows what makes people tick. He knows what not to what to do what not to do. And that's why he is the genius and he's a weird guy to wired knows weird. I love the set of the dock where it is very much a Jordan doc. But they're taking these individual episodes who go into different aspects of what made that team what it is so well paced like talking about Rodman and then going to his years his formative years in Detroit. How he kind of develop that playing style. And then just going right into a little bit of the history of that pisses team. It's just been so well done and The Pistons that those those two teams they were bullies man. They were bullies. And just a style of basketball that you can't play anymore but there was a lot of grace on that team in Joe Dumars Isiah. Thomas probably still the one of the top three point guards of all time. Think he's become very underrated. Yeah it's definitely a style of basketball that we don't really see any more due to all the rule changes in the such but I mean yeah just that the edge they played with saying Yeah Jordan. Come TO LANE. But he's an end up on his ass. Yeah and if you think about it really I mean Jordan. Obviously before that all world score just a he was still Jordan but it took that and the motivation to beat those guys put on the extra weight. Play a more team oriented game. That truly made him a champion. Yeah it was just year after year. Those same guys and they talked about how the kind of wanted trend wanted to transition from. Larry Magic to Jordan. But they were in the way. They kept him from becoming a champion so that he can really reach his full marketability potential. Because you have to win and we saw we saw Lebron with Jordan. Because you always hear the six for six. He was a great winter. You don't really remember those days of the late eighties early. Nineties of people questioning him as a team player in that. You can't win with them. L. is also very fascinated by his relationship with Doug Collins. 'cause I always wondered in the back of my head to Jordan and enjoy playing on Doug Collins under Doug Collins because his rep was that he wore on players and they go into that a little bit how he kind of wore out his welcome all Jordan says he was. I mean he liked the collinses fire he was. They showed him Sweating on the sidelines. Like he was playing the game and Jordan wasn't too happy with to fill move in the beginning but obviously worked out pretty well and they got him close man. I know thank Doug on him to Eastern Conference finals. You would think that they win a couple with Doug in the ninety S. I mean we'll improve the roster. You get a Scottie Pippen. That's more developed and a Dennis Rodman on the back end of the three petes they definitely would have won another thing with the Detroit Pistons as they were getting up there h. Two so. It's kind of that natural progression. Move on to the Michael Bulls. I Dunno if they would have went six for six with Jordan and Collins but or six four eight. But you know what I mean. Yeah you never know But even Jerry Krause I mean as much as they love the clown and the way he did. Fuck it up at the end but just the just the Will said in the ball trust and tax. I mean text. I mean. He's show Jackson the the triangle and he kind of influenced that style of play and that move. I mean it took the league by shock. It seems and looking at it from present day till back then. Just imagine a coach in this day and age building a team like that getting that far and then just getting fired David Blatt. But that's just a whole different look very similar to mark. Jackson and Steve Kerr and that Doug Collins and Mark Jackson. We're very Rog. Is they're gonNA ride you? They're going to get you to play defense. They'll get you to play hard but offensively I don't want to say that they're limited but they're not as creative with the exodus. Doug Collins was always relying on Jordan. The triangle offense kind of transformed that where it was Scotty. Pippin PLAYING POINT FORWARD. More team oriented. Just the lanes opening up the motion offense of the triangle offense. Same thing with Steve. Kerr Steve Kerr comes in you. Keep the same intensity. Keep the same effort defensive presence. Open up the offense. Get STEPH CURRY OUT. A pick and rolls move it. Get Curry off ball. That's what I mean. You can obviously respect something that a person built. But then you have to give credit for Phil Jackson you know. He goes six and our bills. Five with the Lakers. I think there's something to say of his ability to coach but you also give credit to Doug Collins. He feels like A legendary coach. But he's not. He's never won a championship. He's never had overwhelming success. But he's just been around the game for so long. I didn't know he was a number one overall pick. That was pretty interesting. Had A good plan career but yeah that was cool to to see them. Go into relationship. I love that Jordan. Loves HIM TOO? Yeah it's like we said before it was cool getting not only Dennis Rodman but like you said Phil Jackson's a very interesting guy to kind of his road to you. We'll touch on that to appoint your assistant your lead assistant. Fire the guy that just brought to the Eastern Conference finals and you promote Phil Jackson you got to give credit to krause. Yeah it's that move backfires you're done definitely it's interesting to see just how it all worked out so perfectly and that is that was interesting to see how. Jordan wasn't considered a winner. He couldn't win with Jordan. Just a an elite score and it just shows like nothing helps your legacy as much as winning. No it really is so important man. It's so important to get that championship. And you look at a guy like Kuwa- you look at his regular season stats. This is one of the best players of all time. But we've seen what he's done in the playoffs. We know how consistent he is on both ends and we look at him and say that's one of the top ten guys I've ever seen or maybe the whole the stats. Don't tell the story will. Jordan made it so difficult to because he didn't only win. He wants six six. And so it's like Lebron might have gotten early. He'd lost and he took a couple years. How did join the Big Three and then he finally wanted to and then he went back home. The Cleveland One. Another one against the the seventy three one warriors and people still don't think that's enough because of the the standard Jordan set if Phil Jackson like I said Weird Guy. Obviously played for the Knicks won the two championships from one of my mom's favorite players. And what they mentioned in the dock was that he was kind of Rodman before Rodman. My mom always used to say about Phil Jackson. I'll get a kick out of it. Nobody guarded inbounds like Phil Jackson. He was so long he was so tall. So yeah it's a good skill to have in the NBA. Making my prototype for two K twenty one pure inbound inbound defender Phil Jackson headed on Hall of fame but he had great success playing and then also his coaching in Puerto Rico. And that was interesting as well to see all those small towns so obsessed with the basketball league. The Basketball League over there is still pretty big yet. You know about that at all. No I had no idea about them. Gutting chickens and pouring it over the team's bench that's like European soccer fans that type of intensity. We're missing that. We're kind of lacking on the fanatic. I asked murdered in my life. Was that I'm an islander fan. So when they played the capital's Years back in the Coliseum in the first round in the playoffs there are stories. That islander fans were stealing Washington Dc license plates in the parking lot. That's funny I respect the hell out of it. That's the worst thing you do to someone like you have to go to the MVP. You can't even drive home but when you get home you're gonNA have to sit in beaver all day. Fans can get crazy. Yeah but then. He has his success in Puerto Rico and he also coached in Another junior league. I forget the name of the League but he won the championship Wherever CBA right right. That was a Canadian. League was or Abia is one of those. Aba CBS. It's a right one of the Albany. Filled it bring New Yorker champion. After and his playing days he's got three overall. Come on Man New York legend and Yeah he gets a job as the assistant coach Tex winter also followed him to La. I'm pretty sure he was an assistant. Coach on the Lakers. As well. And he's kind of the genius behind the triangle offense and Interesting type of Genius. Not One to take the lead but more to kind of play the sidelines. Play play behind the curtains. I love the way they Visualize the triangle when they had that overhead shot and they were just moving. They're moving around and they're moving like the All the and everything. That was a very cool little insert there. Yeah when they go into videos on how the triangle offensive offense works. They talk about just an endless amount of possibilities with the motion and people still implement parts of that offense today. Obviously the game has become way more spread out but I think that was kind of the first step going in that direction. Getting back to the ball movement getting back to the motion so a memo is Mellowed didn't understand a triangle. Sit in a like it. Rodman's like oh it's pretty easy. It was just a triangle. That's what it is right. Well the triangle today. It's it's just. The game has become so predicated on three point shooting and I think the last to run it exclusively and win a championship where his two thousand ten Lakers. But it's not like he implemented the Triangle in Chicago and it spread throughout the NBA. It was still a very specific offense. Yeah for the Bulls in the Lakers. But like I said. P teams implement variations of it yet definitely but it worked for Jordan and it worked Mostly to get Scottie. Pippen in that point forward role. And that's where he thrived yet. It finally worked out. They finally beat Detroit and the fact that he still hates his. I Isaiah Thomas is awesome. What do you think about that? The Walk Off I. I liked that he still holds a grudge. I don't think it's a penny Russia. Yeah because they did show the Celtics of the same thing and it took Isaiah Basically running down Mikhail to actually get a handshake and I don't know nowadays obviously with the whole Camaraderie and sportsmanship. There is in the league that it's kind of unheard of to see something like that happened. I mean even Bill Belch echoes the shake. Someone's hand if he loses in the Super Bowl but I don't know that's just the way it was back. Then Lebron got a lot of flack for that in two thousand nine didn't shake with Orlando just walked off and then the next year. He was hugging the Celtics when he lost. Now it's the thing is with 'em Jane Isaiah I don't want to take sides because they're both massive masol's fish such douche bags to both of them So I mean who said Sake between the two guys that didn't bring me any success while I love what What's his name in my phantoms? Oh I love lamb beer said I think it went on the job. And he's like I won't apologize. I don't care it's like I don't care what the media thinks. That's just the way it was it was. I think it was cartwright who said Yeah they walked off like a bunch of bitches. Was it now? I think that was What's his name grant? Yay Now that that made me laugh out loud. I mean the the garages there are. It's what it is. I loved it when he was talking. About how Scottie Pippen? He needed somebody to fight. They're with Scotty would fight back if he if he knew that somebody had his back. And that's kind of why Jordan took him under his wing when Jordan and Rodman. We're getting into it just screaming at each other on opposing teams that may be pumped up and made me. WanNa play like. Yeah I love when you dig into the trenches and you come in and defend teammate. Or just the whole mentality. How they like. If we don't react they know that we're not phased anymore right. Yeah and ninety-one series right And the year before with the migraine. That was also. You could tell Jordan's still pissed. Yes it's like yeah I get a migraine or something. So what can I say? He said he had a migraine. I believe him. Can I say she said she needs to fly I mean my grades are tough though. If you can't see double out there it's surprise even played. Yeah there are certain injuries where I can understand. You can push but like when the people give Lebron flack for the cramps. You can't walk with cramp have yet. Has Anybody listening? Experience the cramp before you know bad. It is a migraines e claim that he couldn't see yeah So I mean that was game seven two so you never know. Maybe if he was one hundred percent I could've slayed the beast a year earlier. Yeah they get seven and he goes seven now and You know it's tough when Rodman is the guy staring you down on the other side and who was it. I think it was David Aldrich called Dennis. Rodman the best on ball defender that he's ever seen yeah The Way Rodman was talking about rebounding was fantastic. Just playing off the angles. I know Jordan shooting. I know the his spins going to be like this. So let's go this way. I know how to position myself. He really just made it into an art form yet. He's almost trying to explain his incredible instincts because he has. He's incredible ball instincts. He knows where to go where the ball is going to fall and so him explaining it. It sounds just nonsensical but believable. It's like yeah. That's how he sees it six seven two. It'd be that efficient rebounding. It's just it's one thing to have good timing and just positioning but his will to get a ball. You'd see he would tip it up five six times. He's averaging nineteen rebounds a game and his prime nobody comes close to that and the modern MBA. Drummond I think drumming gets like fifteen sixteen huge just the perfect player to add to that team for their second. Three peat and I know draymond. Green is beginning a lot of Hitler recently because he said that he said something to wear like he called himself the new. Rodman or something like that right now. He said something about us. Talk about him. Clay and staff and people are planning on him but he does bring that on tangible Style play to that team in a very different way. He's not the rebounder. Dennis Rodman is by any stretch but just the way he if you put dream on the Knicks. He's not doing anything but he was just a perfect match for team for them to succeed. Rodman like you see. He was a perfect a perfect piece for the Pistons San Antonio and then put him back on a ready made team like the Bulls and you can just escalate that whole squad to a different level yet. Draymond Green is any championship team with mom. If you're a top six stop seventeen. Draymond fits in with any team and fits in with the next. But he's just going to do the same he would do on the Knicks with the Lakers. Easy to get you eight. That's not GonNa you know you're not a number one guy doing that. You can be an all time. Great number three number four guy. And that's what he does and Robin. Yeah I mean it was just. It was a lot of his athleticism. You know I mean yeah I mean I'm not comparing the two have very different games for the roles are similar to have those robbing. It's the same thing you can plug in Robin. Right now on any team in his prime. I mean he's a guy he's a psycho out there. He's the best defender easy. Best rebounders Speaking of two K we need to guide A PRO-AM team next next year to go. Twenty Towns Zero Points Twenty rebounds now focus on getting the board some defense. That is the last thing that we need. Any goddamn shooters I also found it interesting. That Phil Jackson Genius Coaching in In their first championship season was pass it to John. Paxson. It's like. Hey Mike who's open John? Pass the ball Jordan. He was just this whole mindset on the game of basketball change due to the new offense in the way Phil Coaches. You don't have to do it by yourself. But your teammates hit open shots. I love when he did complain about the equal offensive. Equal Opportunity Offense with cartwright malls Taking the show He sees so he's been really funny throughout this whole documentary and we do see his. I guess what made Jordan so iconic is just the way he was able to come up so big and big games and that and that buzzer beater against Cleveland shot. Everyone's iconic. I've probably seen that. Three hundred million times him hanging in the air clutching it rattles in. I love how before this bombs go. Home pointed out to all the writers like. I proved you wrong. I proved you wrong year tonight. Chicago writers right so we took care of you the other day to care you last night tonight as you showed on like. Who Was Gordon him? Because and the defense wasn't all that bad. The problem was he went up with him. Why would they put that guy on them? Elam crazy low. That's all you here. It's the crazy low shot. He went up with him for the problem. Was He was on the Ground Georgia? Saunas EIGHT-PACK SCILLIES. Still around you just moving around like maneuver in in the Ron Harper. Guy Who went to go win three championships with Jordan Jordan. Even said it he plays. The best coaches always tried to get cute. They always try and get cute. Like when pop took Dunkin out to Twenty thirteen and the boss gets the offensive rebound to stick with guns man. Stick with what works? But I'm yeah. I don't think Harper is making a difference because like you said the man was up there for about ten seconds changing. Just doing what are you doing their guy. I think I mean it. Seemed like a great series Poor CLEVELAND He may go on to. I mean the Bulls gave Detroit a run for their money. That year almost beat him. Maybe Cleveland us. A lot of people say Cleveland was the better team. They overwhelmed the the Pistons to get that Nineteen Ninety Championship. Yeah and then Jordan coke can go back seeing that one of Lebron's accolades that people. Bring up when comparing it to is that championship in Cleveland. He got the first one. Maybe go back in time. This shot right here right. He would do so. I can time travel and I'll know my it's the only shot he'd WanNa Miss. I can't believe he missed that free throws that game four BOYS SKIP. Bayless must have been really hard on them. Yeah all it helps when you go onto go six in our final year. That's your you miss. Those free throws I also enjoy the nineteen ninety-one finals the behind the scenes. Look at that seeing Magic Johnson. Kind of passing the torch to Jordan and it's not the same Lakers teams. Because at that point Kareem had been retired they serve James Worthy and Maj also was a couple of years from retiring. So it wasn't those. It wasn't showtime but still people were excited to watch it. We probably have the two biggest names arguably still and the the game of basketball. Let's IT WAS MAGIC. I I'm Jay and try to think of an equivalent that we've seen. I think it would have been Koby Liberal. It would have been our yeah. It would have been a Kobe. Lebron especially because Kobe was around that age of kind of towards the back. Nine in the broncos up and coming but kind of is incredible how the NBA Guy. They were able to go to the Celtics to own. They're able to have those. Celtics Lakers seems to have a piston seem Isaiah. Thomas is another star then writer. I'm Jay Wright to Kobe right to Lebron. It's it's been a pretty impressive run but well. That's all the talk. After Jordan left was who is going to fill this hole? And we're seeing that talk now with Lebron one is the NBA to do when the brand lease the NBA always needs a a main character and Jordan was the perfect one because it was just such an extreme passion when it came to those bowls teams either love them or you hate them more so than and the love. There was throughout the country. There are people that I know today. That says Hey Michael Jordan made me love basketball. That's why I'm a bulls fan so they they showed How Pippen would pick up magic full-court and just the way they were swarming. Though seems and even the Pistons I mean they swapped them so it was definitely their time and they took every advantage they could and didn't stop so and just the elation of Jordan when he finally won. I think that was a moment where they even said like. We weren't even sure Jordan emotions and assume react like that. We'd only seen anger and frustration of delays point. Yeah Scottie Pippen's defense picking up Magic Johnson to shutdown who many people believe to be the best point guard of all time. That's why he was so damn impressive and they have the stories about the ninety two Dream Team when they played the the Bulls had drafted a European player and they ended up playing that country in the Olympics and Jordan and pippen made a point to shot this guy down just to completely break him. And that's what they did the NBA teams man. That might be the best defensive team of all time because Jordan like they said Doug Collins was talking about I have the MVP of the the MVP of the All Star game The defensive player of the year. What more can this guy fucking do? And on the to have those three guys on your perimeter Pippen Jordan. And how would you even get them? I have no idea. Draymond Green was talking about today. We're the best team of all time. Mean Steph. Curry would kill shack. A pick and roll Yang killing Jordan and pippen 'cause they're switching everything dog. Rodman back there too so that that's why Miami was so good when they had weighed in the Bronx. They're prime just able to run like maniacs on the parameters chasing everything. Yeah well I I do. I think the warriors aren't all-time grade team. But in your best season you lost so yeah yeah now. The kind of like the They have a better argument with durant yet. I put the durant teams up against those ninety six sls dumb yet teams are. It's hard enough to compare players whole teams. It's just impossible but just the way they played and the standard Jordan kept his his teammates to. It's rarely have players like that. Yeah all that got him although that might came when Mike can't lead a team to a championship and he took it upon himself to make sure that his teammates would be just as dedicated as he because he realized. I can't do this without for the people besides like the true great and you know who they are but it seems like everyone else is playing the game and they kind of just are the game. It's just so effortless it's second nature all reactions and instinct. It's so fluid that there's not it. Looks like they're not trying obviously all the work in and they're trying always the minds always moving but it's just so smooth. Nfl ascend washing the foot of Jordan. It's just there's nothing nothing can it's it's funny there's this This idea that great players can't be great coaches and I think that your point kind of speaks to it that the game always came so easily to them. They don't know how to kind of convey what to do. They don't know how to convey their their way of approaching the game because for them. It's just just did it do what I do. That's kind of what Jordan's mindset was before. He got involved with Phil Jackson and Tex Winter and they expanded the philosophies of what can be done on offense and it is a very simple game but it can be complex and it took him that all season of just dragging everybody with them to hell saying. We're GONNA get better. I'm going to force you guys to get better. And we see that with Kobe. Bryant of course but yet Jordan and his work ethic is so legendary were. That was his life. There are people who approach the game as kind of a nine to five. They're great athletes but they don't take that extra effort or extra step to improve their their games. People always criticized steamatic. Vince Carter incredible potential. If they had Kobi's work ethic maybe there Michael Jordan but Michael Jordan wasn't he was gonNA squeeze every ounce of potential out of his skill and that's what he did real quick here what I absolutely love about Rodman to is When he came back from Vegas and Phil Guy let's try to get conditioning back up and he was just he was ready. Never missed a beat. That drill socks. Have you ever done that real now? Do we did it once in Eighth Grade. It was hell. I still have nightmares of it but I love the idea of Rodman being the guy last night he decides to sprint. And fuck with everybody and Jordan telling Steve Kerr to Kinda jock. It's kind of weird getting this other perspective on Robin because on the outside looking in it's like oh the guy who died his hair. He was crazy great player. But I mean just as natural ability the way he looked at the game the way he was committed. And even if you did need to take what are they not being four days in Vegas? He can come back and you know he's GonNa give it give it his all and his childhood also was It was interesting to see his childhood as well. Some things that I'm not really aware of the fact that he was and that he saw all this crime going on right in front of him and he never took the temptation. He always managed to stay away from it and carved his own path. That to me was very impressive. We always talk about how bizarre and weird he was but at the end of the day he had that kind of I guess. Morality with inherent in him to kind of stay away from the ills that were plaguing him in his community. Well it was Very interesting too. When you left the Pistons and just you could tell like. I guess the strain on his mental health just not being who he was and then just that freedom when he said I. I'm just GONNA be May and I think it was with Madonna. He said that he kind of got that inspiration to kind of be himself. And that's awesome and you could see the hair. And the way he was able to express himself and one thing even mentioned Michael and pippen just took him in right away. Right yeah now. They knew that they knew those guys. It would be like a wade and Lebron taking a guy like that like even like Birdman. Who had his problems? Obviously not as good but even Lebron taking on JR Smith. It's always when you're kind of a controversial not necessarily at trouble player. But you're you're out there when you put them with greats. They know to get in line because at the end of the day. If they're worth the controversy they can obviously play so the great players going to respect that about their game coming back then. It was a controversy but looking at it. Now it's like yeah. He dyed his hair he dressed. And it's not that well look at his influence. Yeah I mean everybody is Dennis Rodman and pre-game now look Russell Westbrook with his outfits all the different hairstyles tattoos. Being the brand being more than the game they those guys kind of started it. He and Jordan and seeing the nineties like he would have interviews with us like an overview and there was questioned him about his sexuality and things like that and just such a different time. No yeah much different. Oh yeah well with Jordan with his playing style and I guess rob into but it feels like they were just plucked out of different areas. Because Robin Right. Now you wouldn't bat an eye it's all. Yeah he's he dies his hair. He's a little bit off but whatever and today's game he would fit right in almost while the tail end of episode. Four they go into the rivalry with the Chicago Bulls and the Utah Jazz. And that's going to be great to see in episode five because Carlo when you look at him statistically think this is the best power forward of all time. It's not even close. The story around the loan was that he never delivered in the playoffs. Yeah and he got close man. They got close time song other things. I'll fuck that. He get away with that talk about different times. Yeah I mean the ninety four great players and just kind of getting this This journey through all these different seasons and decades of who is next for Jordan to conquer. And it's just great after Grit. It's it's fun to see just kind of getting taken like a time portal back to that time with all the narratives going around with the media Input because it's one thing to see and like read read about And Look at statistics. Jordan beat them but to hear the way they all these different players and teams were regarded by people knowledgeable about the game during that time. Which brings it to a whole different level. They go into that regular season game. Where they they build up the big lead Chicago. And at this point Scottie Pippen it already come back and then Utah. Cut of rallies. They're at the end so there were still problems that they were having inside the locker room. Even after integrating Scottie Pippen because Dennis Rodman said when Scotty came back even though he had the haircut with reason he became the third wheel in the family and his dissent. They say was rapid so that bothered him. So it was a roller-coaster season. Four Robin there. Were so many controversies surrounding this last season. You know we think back. Can we just think of the push off? Game Six. The game winner Jordan walks off fantasy ending but man it was. It was hard getting to that point. Well only on the court but mostly off the court will even with Krauss how we talked about. How great in the foresight. He add back then. Now it's like what are you doing? Man What's why are you commenting on the future of your player. You already told. He made it known. That coach is not coming back. And now you're talking about things that now in the middle of the season year putting speculation on Jordan and all that we saw the media was and even today with people either contemplating retiring or are you gonna come back and things like that. He just they came home for a lot. Batum the media inside outside the media just hasn't changed now. The cannot be fixed. They they hounded that man for the entire ninety eight season. That's something that I did not know. I didn't know that there's so much speculation. I mean I guess I I should have because he just. It feels kind of abrupt to leave after age thirty five but the Anton to push that guy out to be so jealous. I mean you're the GM. I was thinking if I was the GM. I'd be sitting pretty. No one knows who I am I'm rich I'm friends with all these guys. They get to be friends with. Michael Jordan invited him to my wedding. That's cool. Do you really want Credit Jerry. Krause I guess some people do. Some people just drives them to make these ration or irrational decisions. I mean it's not like yeah obviously. Gm's Crowson Phil Jackson. That's that was his boy but GM is never gonna be as big as the players. But you didn't cashman cares. Yeah right CASHMAN'S GONNA drive out. Cashman is a big name he gets credit and is also cashman. Likes Being Cashman? Yeah yeah that's never happened. And let's say they came back and they want another one. Oh Jerry crust. The man who build a seven time world champion. I know that's he wasn't thinking the best. Gm of all time surrounded with just the right pieces to Moghadam success throughout his career. Yeah I like that Guy Right. Maybe he goes on to be commissioner after stern or he gets a job in the League office or he becomes a beloved analyst. You know you have to. I mean he wasn't. I would like to have that time. Machine Jordan misses a shot. I'd like to go to krause. It'd be like you just because you're going to get dunked on for the for the rest of your life your entire legacies. GonNa be you being dunked on Spring back a couple of DOC. Don't dance on a team playing after you beat the Pistons please. That was hilarious. Go Jerry go killing it. Are you kidding me. I like to see that. I like to see the good times when they all look like a minute of fun. I go sit down. Yeah Yeah they kicked go- Jerry Go. Sit Down Jerry me. Maybe that's what that's what it was. He opened up dance in front of his friends and they just shot down. Yeah Poor Jerry. That's why you dance in public. That's why I don't dance in public. But this documentary continues to be probably the the best thing I have watched on. Tv This year. It's just so fun to seeing all the the behind the scenes footage and it's pretty incredible houses capturing the the nation sports fans everybody. It's we still love the Chicago. Not that we still love them. But we're still so fascinated by that era of basketball. The nineties the way that it's been romanticized that this was the premier era for basketball so we love and the ninety s nostalgia just in general for people our age of course but they call it the golden age so It's a modern golden age with basketball and a lot of other stuff. But it's been fascinating to watch this journey unfold ten episodes documenting so what we got six left and now I feel like we need more still plenty to ten on the outside looking in but the way they're doing it twice a week it's like Oh really gonNA have four more weeks of this but yeah it's fascinating there's still a lot to get to And I hope he I hope he gets it. Hope joining the sixth well. He's got the one right now. So that's okay. No only three and then he could stop and he can go play. Baseball will depend like in the present time. Line last five when we're going back. How does that work right now? He's only got five right. Yeah so no no. He would still have six if he misses a shot. Whereas CLEVELAND. 'cause they didn't win that year now. I think we're talking about two different things. Our timelines have become so. Let's just review Westworld yes.

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The basketball stuff, I'm interested in is Leonard giving shade would appear to James harden in his new new balance commercial for his new sneaker, the claw spelled with a K. Leonard is here to tell you that he's not out there chasing fouls. Why let it doesn't say interesting things, but quiet, Leonard will let the marketing people say interesting things for him new balance isn't really in the NBA game. I would not choose cohort. Leonard is my spokesman for anything. Or anything because you need the spokesman to speak, and he doesn't give you a lot of that. But if you're going to build them theology he's got some of the biggest hands in the NBA. Nobody wants to be guarded by him because of what he can do on the perimeter with those hands, and they're calling his sneaker, the claw the claw with a K. It's the only time I've seen LeBron James actually scared. Many of you might think he was scared when he couldn't post up JJ Berea and at the end of that game when he passed the ball a lot of times a thousand times in the last five minutes the other time I've seen him scared during the finals at the height of his powers when he was at the free throw line turned over his shoulder and saw the Leonard was checking back into the game and started cursing to himself. That's about the highest compliment. You can give it not. Yeah. That's that's probably the highest compliment disco is say anything during this commercial while they just put out a press release yesterday announcing formerly the long rumored endorsement deal with new balance and Kawai was quoted in the statement. His quote game speaks for itself. And that's the way you gotta go with him. If you're creating a marketing strategy around him now, speaking of marketing, the other conversation, I wanted to talk to you guys about is Darren Revell Darren reveal is saying that the alliance a f-. The new football league wasn't willing to. Offer Colin Kaepernick, the kind of money that his demands suggested. The reports were twenty million dollars. Darren reveal is saying it was more than that than Colin Kaepernick was asking for. And I will ask you guys. I think he'd be worth a lot in terms of advertising for your league. If somebody were to sign him he should be asking for a lot there. If you're going to ask me to compromise the principles that mean collusion case against the NFL, and the idea that I've clearly been literally blackballed what's that worth is what I wanted to ask you guys like never mind. I don't want to have the capture Nick conversation. But I do want to ask you what is it worth? When you got your big ratings almost three million people I night because you're just tied to wrestling. It's how the XFL started and slowly over the course of that game Saturday night, the ratings disappeared and slowly for the XFL maybe quickly for the XFL the ratings disappeared. They started five times as hot as the af. So I'm asking you guys this question. What do you pay? Capper Nick if you are starting a league just so that you could get that same buzz that Nike wanted that same. Oh, we're edgy. But it's not really edgy. Everyone's tired of this conversation, largely, you know, this isn't actually edgy. But here we're going to get a burst of publicity. What's it worth? Man. Is it worth north of twenty million dollars? It is for capital, right? Capita joined to do that. If he's going to to make a big show of going. I wanna play football some well somewhere, but the NFL doesn't give me real freedom. If he wants to make show, and then turn that into his platform. The af where he's the signature player in the league that doesn't have stars of any kind. Right, Trent Richardson's, the biggest name the coaches. I guess have some coaches of the biggest stars. Yeah. Christian hackenberg. I guess, you know, a guy who was close to winning a Super Bowl close to getting to another Super Bowl. I think many people feel he's still play the NFL. He'd be like a top fifteen quarterback in in the NFL, man. Yeah. That's that's worth a lot. I'd certainly him. Asking for north of twenty million dollars is not ridiculous. Well, I want to ask this question. If you are Oliver luck being paid twenty million dollars for the XFL. It's not I don't think it is. It's absolutely ridiculous making what he made in the NFL. I know, but this is a league with a sort of league. But this is a league that is desperate to get a superstar to get a star hasn't played in a say. So the league it's exclusion hackenberg super absurd for him. Like, they don't have that kind of money. You don't know that this is also league we're all the players base salaries two hundred and fifty thousand dollars come on. And it's not guaranteed. Colin kaepernick. Look, look, you don't this is not taking a side on the capture, Nick. Thing be careful about that. We don't want to do capper, Nick talk. We do not want to capture Nick talk. Everybody was doing it for a long time. Everybody got crazy, and we all ran in different directions onto or not doing Nic talk. That's not what we're doing. We're not doing race talk. That's not what we're doing. We would not do that. No, no, man. We wouldn't do it. But we're not doing it tire topic. Nope. I'm not even saying the name a quarterback wants to make twenty million dollars when the rest of the league is making two hundred and fifty thousand absolutely absurd. You get that quarterback you win. Whatever their championship game is right. Oh, no. That it's Gary. Did you watch Garrett? Gilbert, did you watch the Orlando Apollo's? No, I have a tough tough team to beat Mike. How many people would tune in just to see because they have more violent hits on the quarterback? Colin Kaepernick getting lit up rooting rooting for. You know, you'll you'll draw the fans who are rooting against Bella check against Brady against Nick Sabin Floyd Mayweather. You're the people who root against them. Route to see Colin Kaepernick destroyed by one of those giant head. I mean, it's testament of like what social media is. Because you'd think that the quarterbacks are getting hit more, and there's just like one person in the corner saying they can actually only send five guy. I know. But that one guy lost his helmet. And if Tom Brady were hit like that the national guard would have flown in to change the rule the contractor three year contracts for two hundred fifty thousand dollars, so he'd make essentially three hundred times whatever players making in his locker room. So what is the number though, I understand taking sides on this. I understand only the money. We're not talking about the mud lock right issue. And you making three hundred times whatever what else is making winning him making twenty million dollars would be the most locker room divisive thing in his career. So God's ears. Nice to have a helping hand especially when it's act season. And that hand is attached away licensed tax professional, but turbo tax live. You can talk to real CPA's in e as on-demand who can reveal your return with you before you file and make sure you're getting your maximum refund. That's very very important. They can even check your work line by line. So you could be confident it's done, right. Who knew confidence and peace of mind could be synonymous with taxes. Turbo. Tax live which CPA's in e as on demand. He details at turbo tax dot com. Donlevatar? Sassy through God's sexy. When you're saying this is not live with our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. So we have to move away from capper, Nick talk. Obviously in the last segment where we were talking about twenty million dollars a f-. I mean, honestly, it's a tire topic. Did you see they reach out to vote to? Nice. I was going to say, it's a tired topic. Did you see David Stern said he would have just suspended capper Nic? David Stern, evidently said and he would have solved the problem. Now. Do I have this right, right? Because this is from real GM. And you know, I get tricked by the internet all the time. But I think that this was real well it did it originate from real GM because they're a bit of an aggregate site. But there one that you can trust usually sometimes, but I can't trust anybody anymore. I'm skittish anybody reports anything I'm looking around is this fake, Mike is this the onion would a AT. Bo capper Nick championship game for all the marbles be the highest rated game in the history of football. Put it on the poll. Guillermo would the AFC championship game capper Nick versus Tibo being the highest rating in the history of sport for all the marbles. Thank you. That's very important contribution again during the break. This is what's to God's was saying keeping with his policy of saying the most interesting things during the break when the mics are off. Much like I suggested that the Marlins in order to fix all their financial woes should simply put catcher John buck on the street in uniform and allow fans to pay one dollar to throw a Cup of water in his face. Stu gods is suggesting the af should sign Colin Kaepernick, and then allow him to stand outside the stadium and people get to come by for a dollar and slap him with a fencing glove little promotion. All right. So the stern cabinet comments say it originated from Bloomberg David Stern says that capper Nick would have a job in the NBA, which is a barb at the NFL. But he also goes on to say that it wouldn't have been an issue in the NBA because they would have suspended cabernet when he began kneeling and then cabinet would realize what was on the line and still be working for the NBA. It's kinda weird. He's taken all the Scots strong, David survive. I'm here for David Stern. Just because Adam silver is a very different kind of Commissioner. He is not David Stern. He may have learned. He may have learned at the knee of David Stern. But he is not he learned some things David Stearns got more dictator in him than Adam silver. Does by a lot. David Stern has more ego in him than Adam silver by a lot. David Stern likes power a good deal more. Then Adam silver, David Stern likes to remind you of his power a good deal more than Adam silver. And he ran the league very well that way, but they did that move it. Mission that coaches, the teams do all the time with coaches, we need a new culture around here. David Stern was hugely great for the NBA. Of course. God did they evolve correctly in a way that Tagliabue's Goodell doesn't quite feel the same way? The transition to silver was probably the exact right time right to transition out of David Stern into Adam silver start did have some help. He was great. He had some help did namely, no and silver was great health to David Stern silver helped keep David Stern. Progressive silver earn that job with all the things that he was doing in the shadows quietly as the assistant general manager and one of the things that he does. And this one was interesting last night, Stu gods. We've been talking about the Anthony Davis situation. And if you get past the who mess this up here is an interesting business problem. The NBA has right now. What do you do with the following? Anthony Davis played the worst game of his career. The other night that team is a huge mass because nobody wants to actually be playing anymore, and there are almost zero incense incentives for Anthony Davis to be on the court. But when you start doing the pros and cons the pros are all for sitting him. But here's the problem that you have nationally televised games business partnerships with ESPN with TNT paying millions of dollars and you've got New Orleans and prime time. This is where the NBA came down on the Spurs for sitting guys like Gino Blee, you've got business partnerships where the money transactions are avert. We pay you for nationally televised games. Those sponsors deserve national ratings the NBA steps in and a fan base that has been betrayed at every turn New Orleans has every reason to hate the NBA every reason and now New Orleans. The only incentive to play Anthony Davis. The only one is we have paying customers sponsors and fans in New Orleans who demand to see what they're getting for their twenty million dollars. And I think Davis left in the middle of the game last night with an injury. But there was a game that Anthony Davis played the worst of his career where people thought to themselves is he actually even trying he was one for nine. And the question was being asked is that dude in a professional uniform making twenty five million dollars is he even trying crazy? But Ye think fans want to see a guy he's already admitted to not wanting to be there. Long term, you think fans still want that guy. They're paying their money. I want to see him as great at basketball, you'd think they'd rather watch their other leading scorers. I mean, I don't know. I'm just wondering I'm wondering if I'm a fan and paying whatever I paid because the pelicans can't control what happened. They had no idea if Davis was going to say things that he said, right? There's pressure from the NBA. I'm the pelicans. I'd just say, hey, we didn't ask them to say that we want to Davis to be here long. Thank you, Stu gods. You tell the NBA while they're telling you, hey hundred thousand dollar fines if you don't play him like that's fine that you'd say that to the NBA what I'm saying. Is that is absurd? It is. Like, you have a guy who was come out and said, I don't wanna play here anymore, and they shouldn't feel obligated or you're not listening to me. They've got partnerships with our company that forced them in nationally televised games to threaten the pelicans that they have the play Anthony Davis because of these contracts with companies like ours. It's it's an unusually hard line stance for for silver to take. And the reason he thinks it is because he's protecting his television money and relationships he has to and I understand it. I'm just saying what I'm saying, you, I get everything you're saying, I think it's flatly absurd that the pelicans have to acquiesce to something like you think it's flatly absurd. That people would be motivated by money in sports. You you you're saying that view. Chicken. That is funny. Adding. I feel like he just got sort of entrenched in a position and got confused. I wanna see Davis by basketball if he doesn't wanna play for my teeth. I do I think after last night, they only have like one more nationally televised games. So it's not even that many games are gonna miss it's happening. Because of the nationally televised games is what I'm telling you. Like, I you know, how much I like to strip back for you guys. The business of sports and show you when stuff happens just over money like those those division one teams, Alabama who trample slaughter these smaller bodies in games over money. Like, I do enjoy pointing that out to you. And what's happening with Anthony Davis right now, there's no reason for him to play except monies to God's there's no other reason we're gonna play him during the nationally televised game. So he's got one more game left as a pelican you see if he misses that game you go ahead and keep an eye on whether or not he misses that one. Mony Mony Mony Mony. I mean, besides not upsetting the NBA. Why would the pelicans wanna play him? You. Don't want him getting hurt. That would be a great compromise. Listen, I'm only playing nationally televised games moving forward. And in the NBA. Doesn't get mad and the pelicans. Okay. New Orleans fans get bleeped again. Like, they always do she hoped to that game. Big w last night, though. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook. In a serious. Fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how a forcible renter's insurance can be done Libertad. No, listen pet me still God's don't do y'all wanna poet. Let's face it live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio an egg on Twitter, named Darby Watson writes in drop the capture Nick talk. He's a has been an a won't be again. It's not even worth the two hundred and fifty guaranteed K of the af you'll don't get dick show. You're so right Darby. We need to stop talking about the tyre tyre topics in sports. You caught us. You're correct on everything you said, we need to talk and we're behind today 'cause I take his way ahead of us on this. They've been doing it for thirteen minutes. They've got Isaiah Thomas. The story of the day is who's better LeBron or MJ now Scottie Pippen commented on this the other day, and he's had a lot of conflicting viewpoints over the years. But I know Mike Ryan, what do you who you calling? We need to mobilize the forces that I didn't realize that this is a LeBron who. Who's better MJ day? I'm sorry for starting with kapernick. You're so right about this might try to sneak in some Tibo, that's the first take formula. But I think they are way ahead of us here. Mike they've been talking for fifteen minutes about who's better MJ or LeBron. Right. But in case you want to go to Scottie Pippen's take on the matter via J E ski to got it from four the win. There is a timeline on how much Scottie Pippen. It's changed his opinion on this topic. Would you like to know I just want to hear sound of Scottie Pippen contradicting himself because at this point Scottie Pippen is no long. In fact, put this on the poll game at lebatardshow, what is Scottie Pippen, top fifty basketball player of all time or guy who will give you contradicting opinions over the last ten years, Michael Jordan on here's his most recent take on on the matter. And then I'll give you the time on a how he's flip lot in terms of statistics the Broncos right there. And when you look across the board, not just going, check, his assists. Check, his rebounds. He's probably hit a Jordan. That's right. Doc. Okay. Now, another sound what I look at LeBron. He's not what Michael was as a player. He's not even what Kobe Bryant was. Those people applauding. Those two opinions can't really co exist. Yes, they get. Well, they have for a while because may of twenty seventeen Scottie Pippen said LeBron hasn't even surpass Koby in December of twenty seventeen Scottie Pippen said LeBron's probably head of Michael Jordan. So this could mean that he has Koby number one overall who knows week later. Lebron need six rings to surpass Michael Jordan, a week later m j over LeBrun definitively may of twenty teen it's unfair to compare LeBron and Michael Jordan is unfair is unfair. Yes. And February twenty nineteen abroad was not what m j was as or Koby. All right. So now, you have all the information. We pride ourselves on giving you all of the data. And my question to you is this given that we've given you this much data. What the hell the Scottie Pippen thing here. Please put it on the poll at lebatardshow at. Just that. Yes. Or no, what the hell does Scottie Pippen think about this? I think where he said this stuff is a very big deal. I think we need to look into this. I think he'll say the thing that makes him popular in the city that he's speaking it. I'm serious about this. I think he's inch icago than tell you the Jordan's better. But if he's anywhere that lebrons applying he might go. Thank he. He's more. He's more from the stugatz school of fraud casting where just says whatever he wants that moment and takes no inventory whatsoever of what he said before consistency is not a real passion on this particular subject. I understand. But I take inventory of speaking to I do occasionally, you know, like, so if I was at Chicago public speaking, and that would be funny, public speaking. I would absolutely say Jordan is the best. But if I was L A, I'd probably say Coby so Bob Ryan is going to join us here because we're behind and he's a basketball thority, and we need to catch up on who's who's better. Lebron or MJ? And so he'll join us in a second. But I need to update a couple of things here. First of all gear. Mom, and this speaks to what an idiot. You are. Yeah. Just I take sitting here talking about the topic of the day. What are you wearing me out with this big foot and alien excursion thing you got a hold of consent. Go you said there's an update here. And you're missing the big story of the day because you're concentrating on the nonsense. So where are we with this? All right. So here's what's happening with Jose Tako. So we reached out to that number Morgan a couple days ago didn't hear back yesterday Morgan got back in contact with us and told us this is the deal for Jose, Canseco, Jose Canseco will choose five lucky people and even compared it to Willie Wonka balloon of and this is how it works. You have to pay five thousand dollars to be one of these five people, and then they'll put you on an RV with Jose, this leaves out of Las Vegas, and they're gonna drive. This are. V to what was described as a big foot habitat where you will see very likely a Bigfoot and you'll get a tour of aliens. Now, we said hold on a second because we kinda the camera for this payoff to work out. So how can we arrange following the RV with a camera crew? And they said because of the fact that it's a very secret location, and it's a big foot habitat that nobody knows about their kind of uncomfortable with a camera following the RV. However, however, they're opening up blind bidding to let TV crew follow this once in a lifetime experience. We gotta get in on this. We gotta get it on this. We gotta blow the budget right here. We've gotta get you on that RV. No matter the cause they also made it very clear for some reason to say that Jose can say a really doesn't want anyone to bring weapons now you need to give them half of the money upfront in cash and the day of you have to give them the rest of the money in cash, which. Which is not shady at all. We do that. We'll give him all the money in a front in cash, we need to we need to be winning this. What happens if you don't see Bigfoot or an alien any money battles and stop at that stupid. Just shut up shut up. That's not one of the possibility of is. He doesn't up as Bigfoot. That's absolutely happening. That's really why I'm super interested in this. Because I want to see what it is. That's passed off as a big foot habitat and Bigfoot the desert of Nevada always known as a hotbed for Bigfoot activity is included in case that was a concern of anyone romaine the desert porch some executives around, and we need to be at the top of the bidding on this also Mike where are we this nightclub owner grunt men gave approval on the the restaurant reservations down. When are we playing that? We are playing that in the eleven o'clock hour dano. All right. So that's coming up soon. Here. We got the okay stugatz threatened. Grunt men. The live owner said CEO be a seal be was noon yesterday, his COBOL five AM every night. So did give us the clearance. Donlevatar? They'll never wanna championship. Not good enough. Does that the clutch? Stugatz. Why do you keep doing that? This is the third show. With this to God's own ESPN radio clearly were behind on this story. I take his way out in front on it. Okay. They started their show thirteen straight minutes of who's better LeBron James or Michael Jordan. So we've called in our maximum effort. Our maximum expert. This is the guy knows more about basketball than anyone around here. And we will get to the important topic of the day with him. But I we've gotta do because it just takes precedent around here. It's hard to explain, but we just have to do. Explain your tweets with Bob Ryan, Mike Ryan claims. He's the best guest in show history by Ryan's been doing across decades. He was carrying Tony Kornheiser for years as a guest and now he's carrying us as a guest. Let's start with explain your tweets, but we've got to some point here. Get quickly to the the discussion. We're already behind on that. I take is dominated this morning. You have some sledding dean. We. He is the best follow on Twitter at globe. Bob, bryan. From fifty five to sixty nine Bill. Russell played for sixty championships. USF Olympic Celtics. He won fourteen. It was hurt and fifty eight sixty seven was his only legit laws greatest documented winner ever. This is true. I think this is the most self explanatory tweet imaginable. I don't think enough young understand the scope of what he did into tiny. Did it the issue isn't whether or not he could come in and dominate today. The issue for everyone is what you do in the time and place that you were placed and in the time and place. He was placed he was by far the most dominant player most dominant winter. And and in the history of American sports. No one is even come close to matching resume. I would say though, I would argue that given the difficulties of the sport that Tom Brady is getting into that conversation, given how everything is chain. He's getting he's getting closer to that conversation doesn't have to win eleven to be the same I fair, and I will listen to that argument. And I leave me I love making the case that the showing up for nine Super Bowls as a just an unimaginable thing in this day and age the fact that they've done it at eastern it with all these different teams thing they share in common, Dan, as in the fact that they both performed in Boston. Or in Boston area is that they Russell over a period of thirteen years. Had no teammates left. Not even a coach nothing left from when he started. He was to sole connecting thread and Brady, of course, only got no teammates remotely around the time. He's coach he's played. But he does have the same coach at the only difference. There is the dog lovers Super Bowl it. Does it need controversy? Yes. We had a thing with this week at Westminster in which a dog that won. A breed skipper. Jay was not crop. It was ineligible for the final nest in show competition because of a conflict of interest of judge that was done business, or, you know, connected with one of the owner of the the skipper Jay now. This is something that should have been avoided. And then they had a worse controversy. Oh, I think in the end, and when the of winning the judge selected the FOX terrier, and a judge it turns out this guy who not only knew the owner of the. It's a small world. I understand that. But he's known to be a FOX terrier guy was a FOX terrier connection. So a my question at the end of this was is there will small and insular that such conflicts are unavoidable. They couldn't find enough people that would be free of any perceived conflict of interest in their Super Bowl. And this is a big deal. This is the oldest second oldest sporting competition in America second only guest to the America's Cup. I taking this is worthy of Ted wells investigation. Bob. Well, you know, it's. I he's probably got a lot on his plate. But you know, and in the end if I said, if they don't wanna find anybody, I'll volunteer I'll judge next year. No pub on the movie best in show, an all-time movie. Oh my God. Let me they came up. And of course, in the conversation into fall out of the Westminster and some people in Twitter, say just go have a laugh and watch best of show to which I say to everybody. Yes. If you haven't seen best in show is one of the funniest. Putting on the podium. Lebatardshow is best in show. One of the best of the funniest movies in comedy because I agree with it. I want to hear more about Bob being judge most people would pick either golden retriever or a land. That's why we need an open non conflicted mind as best in show. Judge like me. Yeah, that's true. Because they are the dogs have choice. I think for most people that more people have a or either have or are glove a. What what's spit it out? When I grow up in fifties. It was a cocker spaniel. Now, it's golden retriever or labs. They are the dogs of choice who can deny that. Somewhere along the way palm ING became, according to a announcers, a dribbling violation you may call it carrying, but it's Pommie, and you know, this happened because I was watching a game of our gut called performing against the Lakers. And and then now they're calling it discontinued dribble. Well, I grew up it was palming. And and and I said what they should really call us, I've resulting because I I was the one who who completely put coming as legitimate thing that nobody even flushes anymore. And you know, I it's very very rare to see it. But that's just an old fourth thing. I do you know, I mean once in a while about showing people that were language has changed. But the the crime remains the same. Bob Ryan on Twitter as who's better. Pistol. Peter James harden, Bob, you tweeted peed had sixty eight and g without a three. True. It's an interesting. I don't know why somebody decided to make that compound. You know that was the question. But you know, it's the flavor of the moment. But harden as great as he is. And I respect what he's doing. And I respect his talent will never be the folk hero that pistol was not possible. Using the Super Bowl prediction around the horn. I will never apologize for not making a big the only pig worth. Anything is one back by your wallet? Really? What difference? Does it make? Thirty years. I used to hate it. When when the paper would make you do predictions preseason or where the Super Bowl, whatever I hate predictions worthless. The only predictions that are worth anything or those when you back up with your wallet. When you put your money down. That's a that's that matters. Otherwise, I don't care what you think. And I don't care what play the game. That's it's not the idea the idea. Do you have any objections? Anything you love to wrestle with Bob. Ryan disrespectfully. Do you have anything left? We've only got thirty seconds left in the segment here. Here's something. I'd put my money behind Bob. They should allow much in the dog show. Well, we can have that discussion. Yes dog should that would be wouldn't it does that the mutt week? Yes. Absolutely. I it's you know, it's a bit to think about good good. Good call. Billy message and data rates may apply to become okay? For men to be Lazier softer fatter. We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. Plus an amazing sixty four percent increase in nitric oxide, which can be handy in the gym and in the bedroom. Take your manhood to the max by trying your first thirty day Buttle free just pay shipping and handling not ten days. Not fifteen days put a full thirty days supply free. 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