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"pinkerton" Discussed on The Knife Junkie Podcast

The Knife Junkie Podcast

10:48 min | 9 months ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on The Knife Junkie Podcast

"The early early ones were very very blocking very her chunky and You know just. I never really studied design. I just slow actually. It wasn't until fairly recent in the past eight years. Maybe that I really started looking at knives looking at what other knife makers were really doing. It's thinking about what they did and really looking at it from a design other than just it looks neat is I started thinking beyond the static and was started looking more into the function. Welcome to the knife junkie. Podcast your weekly dose of Knife. News and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host Jim Person. Involved the knife junkie DeMarco become Hello Junkie and welcome to episode number eight of the knife junkie. Podcast I'm jammed the knife new person. And I'm Bob the knife Junkie DEMARCO. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the knife chunky. Podcast THE PLACE FOR KNIFE. Newbies like myself and knife junkies like you to learn about knives and knife collecting and hear from knife designers makers manufacturers youtube reviewers anyone who loves knives. You have found the podcast if you are a a knife aficiandos and we welcome you to the knife junkie. Podcast BOB. Another great interview show today the weekend episode talking with a A A knife maker. Dirk Pinkerton. Yes Dirk Pinkerton. You may know him from the nine designs. He has working with Kaiser he also has to with artisan and he has a couple of hoppers. With both of those he also has a thriving custom knife career. He makes fixed blade knives very purpose driven Utility and self defense knives. He had a career before his knife making career that was conducive to developing new knives and testing them out so It was very interesting to talk to him. I've been admirers and owner of a few of his knives and I think is designed very cool. It was great to talk to him. All right we'll get to that interview in just a second but I want to remind you about Thursday night. Knives is the live youtube video. Show that Bob does as a special guest co host with them every once in a while. Sometimes it's a solo show but it's every Thursday night at ten o'clock you can watch live on youtube or on. The News Junkies facebook page. So that's Thursday. Night Knives live at ten pm on Thursdays and I have to say it's not just me Jim behind the Switzer and he works magic. He makes this show look like a legitimate news show and heightens everything we talk about so it looks pretty sweet. I gotTA check it out. No pressure right so by somebody watches this coming Thursday and it looks awful. Okay take the blame. It's Tim's far. Please do join us. Thursday night knives ten. Pm Eastern on Youtube and on the facebook page. And if you WANNA find the facebook page you can go to the knife. Junkie Dot com slash facebook and the youtube channel is the knife chunky. Dot Com slash. Youtube have a knife. You want featured reviewed call the knife junkies twenty four seven listener line at seven two four four six six four four eight seven lettuce. No I'm here with CUSTOM KNIFE MAKER KNIFE DESIGNER. Dirk Pinkerton. A you know dirk from his nine designs with Kaiser he's also Got To in the works with them. He's also got a couple of knives over at artisan one of which is a blowing up the charts. The proponent comes in two sizes and His knives are designed with purpose. Dirk welcome to the show. Thank you thanks for having me. It's my pleasure so I have one Pinkerton and IT'S THE O. Rien and when that came out I was on a little tangled tear and I saw that and the blade shape Aman it wanted me right away. I'm a huge Sucker for the Warren cliff style blade and that sort of. Saxe look that. That's a theme. That runs heavy in your work. Tell me about your design inspiration. Where's this come from? Well everything I almost everything I do starts with a function I have something in mind when I'm designing and then I tried to apply shape to that to that function so like with With Dan Graham which follows onto the the warn cliff which? I'm really a big fan of For All kinds of work. Not just the little cutting chores. I wanted to do something a little bit different than I've done before and I wanted to still keep a lot of that. Angular design that I that I do on a lot of my older work And try to incorporate a little bit a different flow to it and that's That's kind of where everything goes. It's starts with a purpose and then I tried to adapt a shape or something that that's in my head to that purpose. And Yeah you know you're also influenced by history and things you've seen And you mentioned the sacks and that's actually where my warn cliffs affinity started the first one I ever made the warning cut out the first one that I did back in about two thousand one two thousand two and I was trying to make a pocket-sized sacks and that's Basically were that really began in where my affinity for for the warrantless really got started. So where did your Affinity for knives come from in the first place and you did some security work did it. Come out of that sort of necessity. The need for a good tool the came from my father My father always had a pocket knife letting always constantly didn't matter what time of the day it was morning noon night. There was always always had something in his pocket and it ranged from an old case which I wish I had all those cases that he had now Had I known I would have kept each and every one of them regardless of the condition and he went through his spider co phase where he carries a little clip as he loves those And he always had one within and I just got started Just seeing him with all the time and understanding that for him it was true tool not just a piece of pocket jewelry he used. It abused a sharpened and he warned down to nubs in his mind does he couldn't If he couldn't use a knife to fix the problem then he would go and get the proper tool for but the knife has always as I go to tool and yeah they were always beat up and abused and I just something about that stuck with me and as I got got older I started carrying knives just because I didn't really have a purpose other than that. He add one so I wanted to carry one and When I got into the security field then I started noticing law enforcement other security people had. We're carrying knives in an. I really started thinking about the purpose of a knife just beyond a catcher letters open with America piece of tape or something like that. And that's when I really started thinking about the serious application of the knife is a tool beyond just a simple cutting tool. You know the the self defense applications lifesaving applications and how can be aligned in that regard so when you? I kind of had that realization. What what were the first knives? You are designing. What did they look like bricks? They look like I didn't really I didn't understand or could get what I had in my head onto a piece of paper so the first ones had all these great designs in my head and when I drew them they came out is very square. And Blackie which I think may also kind of Be Part of the reason. Why a lot of my designs are very angular. Because I just never never went beyond. Didn't go try and get away from that completely. I didn't look at it and say. Oh my God. This is hideous because when I made them they were functionally fit the and they felt good. They didn't look good but they they felt good right and they did that work that you were looking for them to do. What kind of blade shapes were you re doing right then The very first knife I made was a drop point. Very broad blade. I think he was probably. It was almost two inches wide. Very broad piece of forty C That I I can't even remember. I got the four forty. See I cut it out. Hacksaw did everything with a hacksaw. And a file. Hand filed blade The bubbles everything and Had A local trader. Do it and I found a cheap remember. Saturday was a rubber handle. I can't remember for sure that I put on there and that was the first if I ever made. Did you carry it and use it? I did for a while and After I carried it for a while used it and I sat down one night and looked at it and I realized I could do a lot better than that so I set it aside and I actually think I ended up giving it to a friend When I told him I wasn't carrying it anymore. He said if you don't want it I'll take it. I just okay there you go but yes. The early early ones very very blocking very hurry. Chunky and I never really Studied design I just slow actually. It wasn't until fairly recent in the past eight years. Maybe that I really started looking at knives looking what other knife makers were really doing. It's thinking about what they did and really looking at it from a design perspective other than just it looks neat is I started thinking beyond the the aesthetic and I was started looking more into the function of of the design. What they were doing and why they were doing it. So you're in you're working in this field. When you first started making knives you're working field where you have the opportunity to sort of feel tested. See how the how they carry With other I. I'm I'm making sumptious about what you were doing. I know you were private security in the corporate world and I assume that there was some place for knife on your belt or or or stashed somewhere and I would imagine that was a good opportunity to sort of test drive some of the designs. You're coming up with yet. Described that process of how you once you make a design How you sort of break field tested makes you know make your tweets and all that to that little bit of history that the the first night I really did that with was an IFA. A call the variable broadhead.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on KMOX News Radio 1120

KMOX News Radio 1120

01:30 min | 1 year ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on KMOX News Radio 1120

"Night Mateen, seventy-five, Pinkerton, reading party suspecting Jesse is visiting home surrounds, the James family farm. Finger to new that, James boys would at some point, come to that house. He had been ready at least eight to ten whenever they learned that Jesse. And Frank rent that farm, he was going to send those men in. What are we waiting for? Allan Pinkerton plotted to bring about the demise of the James brothers. Stool firebomb into the farmhouse and hope to drive in just the out, but the only ones home or jesse's mother stepfather and nine year old half, brother. Archie Ruben sorelle? I think it's a fire, mom and swift it into the fireplace. That turns it into an actual bomb firebomb exploded. Kills Archie and mangles mothers? Right. Ansel bad hit is later amputate. Explosion is Hertz far aways, three miles. John Newman Edwards frames. The story of the Pinkerton rate has direct attack on the south by northern enemy. No one is ever brought to trial.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

Newsradio 700 WLW

02:58 min | 1 year ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

"And John Brown and Allan Pinkerton comrades-in-arms in the abolitionist movement and John Brown at that time was most wanted man in the United States. And he said Allen, I need these people said and got into Canada soon as possible and Allen Pinkerton went to work immediately. But I'm tying into my my talk about Venezuela here. You know, we were talking about possibly invading Venezuela to get that oil oil. There's been nationalized by the wave of people. Now, I know the governor there was an election. They say we say it was corrupt. Now, a lot of people say a lot of our elections are corrupt. But we don't have people say, you know, we're gonna come in in your country and steal your oil. Unless you put this guy in office who never was elected. And if you look at the demonstrations in Venezuela. Those people. It's a breakdown between light skin people who support go, I do and the United States, and what we talked about the rich here and socialism, we're ready to invade a country to give that oil did a coke brothers and British Petroleum told him a billion dollars in Venezuelan oil money delay break their country. I don't think our soldiers are worth diet for Venezuelan oil. So we can feed are rich people here. Hold on Ron because I haven't seen anything, we're we're preparing any type of invasion, or whatever. And as far as I know I've got stories in says that this other guy that you're talking about he was elected by the people. We know that this communist run in Venezuela. He's Luton all the wealth out of the country. The people starving on the street. That's all documented fact that inflation is higher than we can even dream. What it's like, it's nothing more than you. Could you could say the s whole or hellhole or whatever? And now you got blackout heavy stinking power down there for the people. How to help the people in the hospitals, and like they're talking about on dialysis. How the hell they even supposed to live. Well, the leadership down there don't care because that's what you get. When you get a communist dictator a ruthless thug. And then he's turned into machine gun down as people or shooting them on down the street. So I don't know anything about. Light-colored guys back this guy or dark color guides. Only thing I knows I got two stories right here exodus from Venezuela. Because the way these people are treated, and it's a common denominator and sure I know all about powerful. Rich guys went the oil or minerals from different countries that stuff's going on all around the world, Ron. You're right date. But you're talking about the border. If we if we stabilized and we have five thousand marines, it may be higher on the border with Venezuela stationed in Columbia..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

01:32 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Did he gave her her ch- her starts? In addition to pioneer undercover work for American law enforcement. He also created the concept of criminal surveillance in America. Pinkerton would call it shadowing. Obviously, this is something that, you know, police investigators use a lot today did not exist prior Allan Pinkerton shadowing was his his process of conducting surveillance on a known target or location recording everything so that his theme would emerge. The analysis. Also prior to pinxton you couldn't hire a private investigator in America. They did not exist. There was no FBI tracking the movements of some criminal from state to state prior to the Pinkerton you had to do that yourself. You had to grab gun and go get him. And if you need them, you can still hire them today. So thanks for vote in that topic, space hazards. I I learned the most of ever learned about law enforcement a lot of police officers who listened to suck hope that I didn't fuck it up to bed. Thank you guys for existing. Thanks for being there for the rest of us. You know to call we need help never really thought about what life would be like with no law enforcement and didn't think about how that was reality for most people for most of human history. And I know that that the media sensationalizes the most negative cases of talked about this with law law enforcement officers where something bad happens. And you know, an officer shoots somebody they're not supposed to treat somebody badly when they're not supposed to, and then that just turns into media uproar, you know, and as it should and certain cases, but what gets lost in that is the many many, many, many many many many officers who just kick. Acid their jobs and keep the rest of his safe, and I'm thankful that we can call them and thankful that we don't have just the system of like he's telling my biscuit, a dead..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

03:19 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"First, eight hundred eighty four Allan Pinkerton died at the age of sixty four and there's a little speculation about how he died. This is I'm not making this up. It's usually said that Pinkerton slipped on some pavement and bit his tongue that resulted in gangrene good, God gangrene of the tongue. I've never heard of that before. Now have a new fear. Please Nimrod you let not to let me die. Do not let me dive gangrene of the tongue. I think I would rather have gangrene of the dick that have gangrene of the tongue. What is worse than that? What's worse than gangrene of the tongue? Maybe gangrene the ice. Like, if you had gang green, and each of your eyeballs, I think if you had gangrene and each of your eyeballs and your tongue and your dick that might be the worst might be the worst way to go. And I and I'm going to say this now, listen up meets X, if I ever contract gangrene of both eyeballs and tongue and dick you have my permission to push me off the top of a very tall building. And or cliff. Into a burning pit of swords perhaps just make sure I on die very quickly at that. At that point anyway contemporary port, though, they give other possible causes such as he's come to a stroke. He had he did have a stroke year-earlier or maybe to malaria, which he had contracted during a trip to the to the south previously. So hopefully, it was malaria or stroke, both sound way less horrific thing gangrene of the tongue to rotting tongue in your mouth you smell. It. All the time, you taste your rotting flesh. The probably a couple of spiders walking around on, you know, a couple of Roanoke recluse spider just Walker on your tongue just eating your rotten tongue. Don't you think about that? When you're trying to tonight at the time of his death, Allan Pinkerton was working on a system to centralize all criminal identification records, which we spoke about earlier, you know, they were building the very first criminal database a database now maintained by the FBI. His agency did live on continued to grow after death by eighteen ninety Pinkerton national detective agency at two thousand active agents thirty thousand reserves, that's when they had that huge army that made everybody nervous because the state of Ohio to actually outlawed the agency to the possibility of them being hired as a private army in eighteen ninety two the Pinkerton found themselves in a very dramatic battle with the labor union, homestead, Pennsylvania. This is crazy. Henry c Frick general manager of the homestead plant the Carnegie. Andrew Carnegie largely owned was determined to cut wages and break. The amalgamated association of iron steel workers spirits, right? This. The nation's largest dealmaker largest craft union despite Carney's public pro labor stance. Carnegie did support for plans behind the scenes and in the spring of ninety two Cardi he had Frick produce as much armor plate as possible before the Union's. Current contract was set to expire at the end of June. And then at the union failed to except for new terms. Carnegie instructed him to shut down the plant and just wait until the the workers. Folded we'll to protect the nonunion workers he planned to hire. You know, get some scabs take these jobs for turn to some enforcers, he had previously employed. The Pinkerton he wanted to bring them into their big private police force to protect, you know, nonunion workers going in for less pay than the union workers want will three hundred.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

04:13 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"The Missouri to find these Pinkerton, including Joseph Witcher who upon arriving in liberty, Missouri checked in with local sheriff and then approached the James farm disguised as an interim farmhand suspicious of motives an outsider status James gang captured. An executed him. How fucking crazy. I mean A. The local sheriff newer the were wasn't doing anything and B. They killed the Pinkerton agents sent to find him and see the sheriff's still doesn't arrest them after this which again speaks to law enforcement this time man now, let's go the arrest or crazy as James brothers. I rest now man, you form your own posse. You get yourself killed good luck to you filler. Also, eighteen seventy four James the James younger gang members confront additional undercover Pinkerton agents confront him on a country road and opened fire. Shootout would leave Pinkerton agent Louis lull dead local official, Edwin Daniels, dead and gang member John younger, one of the younger brothers debt. Outrageous embarrassed, Allan Pinkerton now because they're the pursuit of Jesse James to be a personal vendetta when the Adams express freight and cargo company the company that originally hired the Pinkerton SU to come find his guys then fires them after the shootout because they still had been cut. Pinkerton vows to crush the gang on his own saying, I know the James and the younger desperate men, and that when we meet it must be the death of one or both of us. My blood was spilt, and they must pay. There is no use talking. They must die. Oh, sit you don't did it now danger. You don't get you. Don't get you get ripped into the biggest can't pass you ever did say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pinkas plan was to catch the James whether it's at home and traps them in their farmhouse Pinkerton reminded his ages to be sure that the James were home. He also instructed them above all else. Destroy the house wipe it from the face of the earth. I mean, he is pissed they've killed some of his men. He does not digging around then on January twenty fifth eighteen seventy five Pinkerton agents launched their range launch their raid on the James hideout. They quickly surround the house and the dead the night, and they throw into the home, especially made incendiary device that consisted of a cast iron shell filled with flammable liquid in a cotton wick, and it was supposed to just aluminum the interior of the home. Instead, it it blew up more than they expected and shrapnel from the explosion killed the James young stepbrother and took off the right arm of this kid's mother Zarella Zam Samuels, neither Frank nor Jesse were even home. So what's little bit of fuck up there? You know, you're supposed to be pursuing these James gang members. And you don't do your. Instigation properly, and you end up killing their step brother who had nothing new the crimes and severely severely wounding. This kid's step mom, so public outrages loud and vehement after this attack. The Pinkerton raid turns James brothers into folk heroes embraced across the Missouri political spectrum for a short while Pinkerton worries that Missouri officials are actually gonna dight him and his agents, and then he sadly calls his pursuit of of the James gang off after this. But the James gang did still think about him during a later train robbery. Jesse James commanded one railroad engineer to quote, tell Allan Pinkerton and his detectives to look for us in the hell tough works, and then James would write letters to the press condemning the Pinkerton for what they did. And why was the public so love with James gang? You know, like them, especially it goes back to the civil war in this case, Missouri was full of confederate sympathizers, and the James's were never shy about declaring their allegiance to the confederate costs. And they were also not reluctant about declaring the political purpose of their violence. The James brothers the younger they saw themselves as unrepentant rebels southern rebels part of the southern effort at resisting reconstruction and take them back power or redeeming the south. You know, they they the people that are Robin from they considered, you know, like union targets in southern Democrats came back into power decade after the war's end, the political romantic station of the James, gang and the demonization of outside northern interest like the Pinkerton one hundred them grew. And then most railroad and Bank companies would just they eventually just drop their pursuit of the game..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

04:10 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Be permitted to enter the service under no circumstances will the detective of the agencies endeavored to induce any parties upon whom they may be operating to the commission of crime. Agents were strictly forbidden to work for rewards. Don't wanna give them incentive to, you know, break the law to get reward. Instead they earned on a per diem basis and kept meticulous records filed for expenses. So that's very cool. Man. I mean like there were bounty hunters like true bounty hunters before the Pinkerton 's. But now you got like the first cut of invest, well, not not kind of the first investigative group that can cross state lines. Go investigate different crimes from people that are, you know, kind of properly vetted to make sure they're the right kind of people to do this job. And and you know, people that don't have incentive to to break a bunch of laws and just become bounty hunters. Yeah. This level of organization an employee scrutiny novel, you know, in eighteen sixty seven random assholes out wild west. We're just named sheriff every day. Like, I was saying earlier, and if I were gun. Yeah. I guess shove. Now now with the Pinkerton they were they were carefully chosen people Pinkerton updated the principles needed six nine again, eighteen seventy three for the rechristened Pinkerton national. Active agency as an additional part of its effort to promote the agency Pinkerton also began to publish his own tales of detection, and criminality. He started writing a bunch of books. Some of these books you can still order today on sites like, you know, Barnes and nobles or Amazon or whatever or go to your local bookstore have mortem get the red moose here in quarterlane, great little company the order those things as well. And there, and he starts writing books detailing the exploits of, you know, his detective work detective work of his sons other detectives, and yes, he did have sons that would carry on the legacy of his agency daughter Isabella was born in eighteen forty three son William Allen born in eighteen forty six another daughter Kate born eighteen forty seven another daughter Joan eighteen forty eight and then a son Robert Allen Pinkerton also born in eighteen forty eight William Allen, Robert Wood, both work for their father Pinkerton. Spokes included many of the key attributes of the monitor detective story include. I just thought it was funny, or is it there's a moment in one of his books where Pinkerton having having become acquainted. With some new information about a man's pursuing actually exclaims the now, very cliche. The plot thickens. The books were also great advertise it in recruiting. You know, kind of propaganda guess or recruiting, you know, literature for Pinkerton agency. You know, they feature the the company's logo emblazoned on the cover. They made people want to join up between eighteen seventy five hundred and eighty four he'd published seventeen of these books by the mid to late eighteen seventies Pinkerton detective, work shifts from uncovering embezzlement to imposing order in the wild west. This is kinda my favorite little era of the bigger dense, especially the pursuit of train robbers at the behest of train companies express companies to Pinkerton lawlessness and the American west was disease that could spread to the rest of the country. If it wasn't stopped. He would write like any disease that continues to corrupt and arrested by gradual purification of the whole body or by some severe treatment. So too would lawlessness continued to spread from every portion of the country flow. These streams of morally corrupt people until never until nearly every town west of the Missouri or east of the mountains along these lines became a terror to honest people. Yeah. Residents of erica's rough and rugged areas. However, resented often and resisted incursions by Pinkerton agents as we learned in the Hatfield McCoy suck this past week. Right. Like going out hawk folk, doc, folk donate Pickton's, interfering clan matters. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of communities actually, you'd bandits. I I found this interesting when the Pinkerton started pursuing these these Bank robbers he stage coach and train robbers a lot of the community down the wild west. They preferred the robbers they defended their they thought these robbers were kind of defendant defending skews me the honor of their communities by somehow by stealing back from the railroads. 'cause I guess, you know, the railroads were sometimes bringing in foreigners and unwanted business competition and their little communities. They didn't care for. They thought the railroads were not paying fair wages, and just you know, kind of you know, exploiting them..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:53 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Know, we're a city ordinance prohibited. Nighttime rail travel through the downtown area, and therefore when they did this. They did sneak him through at night, but they had they had the draw the train through town with horses between the president's street and Camden street station, which is cracks me up. Like, you would think that the president elect traveling secretly in fear of his life. Even if it's even in a state that hated him could get a. No trains at night in Baltimore. City ordinance. Situationally lifted. I just I just picture one of Lincoln's advisors and one of the Pinkerton talk into some city official who just cannot fathom breaking a law under any circumstances. Right. One of those people that personality type, by the way, I cannot stand people who just can't think outside the box or bend to rule ever. I think I've ranted about them before and here like when you're checking into a hotel and check in like, three o'clock, and it's two fifty five and the chickens at three pm. Yeah. I know. But I'm here now in the room's ready chicken's at three pm. Okay. You're one of those people hope you have a fucking stroke soon. Does this crack Mary's pictures, and it'll be like so? Yeah. So we're going to take some top secret cargo can't exactly get into it. Presidential, you know, elected approval, though, we're gonna need to take it through the city at night. So I know you got an ordinance, but we're going to have to. But there's an ordinance that said, no, you cannot do it. Yeah. No, no. I know. I know I know there's an ordinance. I that's why I was saying I that's why I'm talking to you now. But the president elect is asking for a little leeway. But ordinance said that train does not go at night. No time chew chew. Not never ordinance. I know I get it. I get there's everyone understands there's an ordinance but in this specific case in every night train. Arizona ordinance ordinance say that to you have a weight, okay for fucks sake. Just get some horses. Let me check an ordinance for the horsey nays. Oh god. Dammit. According to Pinkerton, a captain of the roads reported that there was a plot to stab the president-elect and the alleged plan was to have several assassins armed with knives. Interspersed throughout the crowd that would gather to greet Lankan Lankan Lincoln at this. Baltimore stop when he emerged from the car. They would just, you know, swoop in on him, and at least some of these asan's would be able to get in their unit others stops and be able to fucking stab him which. Wow, what a brutal way to like. Some some Roman Caesar kinda shit is too Brutus once Lincoln's real carriage had safely passed through Baltimore Pinkerton sent a one line telegram to the president of the Philadelphia Wilmington and Baltimore road, saying plums delivered nuts, safely, even using code words..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

03:27 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Snatching up his pen Filton dashed off an urgent plea to celebrate a detective who resided in the west. And of course, he is talking about Allan Pinkerton now. Allan Pinkerton takes out one of the most famous cases. The who'd be involved in an eighteen sixty one the civil war began Pinkerton served as head of the union intelligence service during the first two years heading off this alleged assassination plot in Baltimore, Maryland, while guarding ABRAHAM LINCOLN on his way to Washington DC. Yeah. His in his work here in the work of his agents in this capacity would actually kind of pave the way for the creation later of the secret service. We know all about the actual assassination of Lincoln. We'd suck on that. But we did not get into this alleged plot to assassinate him in eighteen sixty one February Levin eighteen sixty one president elect Lincoln boards and eastbound train in Springfield, Illinois. At the start of a whistle-stop tour seventy towns and cities any with his inauguration in Washington DC and a lot of people rightfully nervous about this trip. Lincoln was elected via his support and union states. He did not do well in south, and and she it was tense, right? The south would succeed very soon. And the civil war would begin. You know, this is like unless. Two months. So none other than America's premiere detective investigator Allan Pinkerton hired by railroad officials like we just said to investigate suspicious activities acts of destruction of property along Lincoln's route through Baltimore. Especially their word about Baltimore Lincoln had won only two point five percent of the presidential vote in Maryland. Not we'll light in this pro slavery state Pinkerton became convinced that the plot. There was a plot the existed to ambush Lincoln's carriage between the Calvert street station of the northern central railway. And the Camden street station of the Baltimore and Ohio railroad Pinkerton went undercover in Baltimore posing as a stockbroker and a southern loyalist who hated Lincoln and he had some other agents go into cover as well with him. And he was able to introduce some people with knowledge of the plot to kill Lincoln. And this was unheard of an American. This is really cool to me because this is the first example of some law enforcement types, doing undercover work, you know, in America. This just didn't happen before. Like today, we've seen you know, movies TV shows read books involving undercover agents, they did not exist prior to Allan Pinkerton in the United States. Like, how cool is that they pioneered this. There were a little bit. Before in France that were French law enforcement agents had just begun to experiment. A bit with undercover agents doing undercover work a few decades earlier, this was spearheaded by man name Eugene, Francois Vida, a former criminal tournaments Decatur considered by many to be the world's very first modern like the first in the world, the father of modern criminology too, many the founder of modern law enforcement in France for sure guy who deserves his own suck. And he started doing and supervising undercover work in France between eighteen eleven eighteen thirty two. I'm sure Pinkerton was familiar with his work. And then you know, Pinkerton like I said and his agents the I do this in America. And you know in close to being the first doing it in the world Lincoln tried to persuade excuse me Pinkerton tried to persuade Lincoln to cancel Kansas. Stop Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and proceed straight through Baltimore. And kind of skip parts of his scheduled tour to throw people off Lincoln was like no I wanna keep on. I wanna stay on the schedule. So then Pinkerton try to take other measures into his. Hands to ensure Lincoln's safety on the evening, February.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

04:07 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Detective agency begins getting higher by law enforcement agencies around the country to track down various criminals. Some of those criminals will be popping up later in this timeline. Like, the absolutely outrageous case so glad I found a Lord Burston. I'm guessing some you've probably heard of this Lord Burson Lord was Tennessee pimp live and a half days right eastern, Nashville and he specialized in of all things hor sex, hold up hold. Hold up. Joe is just just hold up. Both with men and women both male and female horses. There's a rumor that a young Grover Cleveland future president with a visited Lord's strange brothel in as did a supposedly humorous, Mark Twain, a few lines and Huckleberry Finn or actually supposedly nods to Twain's visit such as that is just the way with some people. They get down on thing when they don't know nothing about it. He may be referring to be Seattle there. Okay. All right. Sounds like he's not going away. God come on come on come on chicken. Joe Mobley Bob up get out Jose have fun to man, the lady they'll get it on and getting along telling me play without crowd live and let live lead die live love horses. Opponents. That's how you won't badge. I it a whole town and feels right was real devastating skin handle hoof. Oh, daddy. May you dig you feel me what I had to say? That was chicken Joe's way of saying that he doesn't have an ethical problem with beastie -ality. And now thank you, chickens. You'll get out here. I should say that I made up everything about Lord Burston. Of course, there was not a weird horse X brothel out in Tennessee this time, but the pinker tense really do solve some interesting cases that we will talk about soon not lying about that. Maybe not maybe not horse brothel interesting because. By early eighteen thirty five year old Pinkerton had also become a special agent for the US postal service to investigate counterfeiting and mail fraud, all of this with no formal training and law enforcement whatsoever. Another sign of how different law enforcement. How was in its embassy back, then, you know, deadly. Hopefully doesn't work that way. Now. Now thankfully now. It's not like, how'd you become a cop size set? I was pretty good at shooting shit, and they gave me gun car and batch. All right that easy and eighteen fifty-five Pinkerton and his new agency gained national acclaim with the New York Times recognize the fine work of special male agent, Allan Pinkerton in capturing mail clerk, Theodor denniston in what what it called the most important arrest in the annals of post office depredations ever brought to light in this country. I mean, I mean that is cool kind of phony though, it's the most exciting arrest post office history. So probably not that exciting. The later tales who more exciting also eighteen fifty-five Pinkerton agency contract with six local railway lines to provide security and oversight of employees, the begin testing station agents and conductors to prevent embezzlement and theft with money moving. Station to station, the potential for embezzlement and theft increased railroad companies, we're worrying about the loyalty of their employees. And they would hire the Pinkerton to test conductors and station master's ferret out those who were, you know, pocketing fares or not reporting correct ridership which has an angle of crime. I didn't even think about right like back then way before you had computers credit cards in the wild west. Especially like, yeah. If you're the guy taken ticket fares, and you got one hundred people getting on the train, and you tell the tell the company, you know, we had ninety get on the train who's probably gonna find out some pretty profitable Griff team. But then the Pinkerton had to come on ruin it. In late eighteen fifty eight abolitionist John Brown free Levin slaves in a raid on to Missouri homesteads and set to take them to freedom in Canada. And then Pinkerton raised five hundred dollars to to help them out and also arranged for safe transportation from Chicago to Detroit using his railway connections. Again. I know it's not a note about him being detective, but they wanna throw that in there. He's he was a Scottish social Justice warrior head of his time. Abraham lincoln..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Backed by mortgages your government bonds the holder of the note had had a claim on the bank's assets. The value of the note dependent on the bank's assets similar to buy stocks today and allow these new banks would start up and show the state or you know, whatever territory kind of banking commission today that they had enough capital operate, but the money they would show the commission would be money. They just borrowed and they'd have to give that money back to whoever loan the money to start their Bank. And then they didn't have enough money to operate and a lot of these places go bankrupt quickly and leave their note holders holding their proverbial dick in their hands. And a lot of different banks. They're springing up this way. And then there's very little regulation regarding you who could open a Bank, you know, how many banks could be open what their notes had looked like and shit got real chaotic real quick, adding to the confusion, like I mentioned a minute ago or all these counterfeiters springing up printing all these fake notes, you know, supposed to be from this Bank of that Bank is anarchy very wild west. And then this chaos allowed Allan Pinkerton to make name himself after settling just outside of Chicago proper Pinkerton went to work at Lille's brewery as a barrel maker, and then he soon determined that working for himself and be more profitable. So he moves his family to a small town called Dundee in eighteen forty three some fifty miles north west of Chicago builds a cabin back in the days when a lot of people built their own homes. No, thank you. I'm fairly handy. When I want to be, but no, thank you. I built a tree house while back. And there was definitely a lot of moments of ask enough. They'll probably work. Doesn't have to be perfect Lindsay would never leave me alone. If I actually build our own house. It would just cuss constantly counts of what's going on a corner there. What isn't the trim reached the wall 'cause I'm not a fucking carpenter? Alright stop complaining we kind of have a roof over our head and don't get that wet when it rains, I will dundy named obviously after crocodile Dundee cranky. That's not a knife. This is a knife. That's not true anyway and dundy Pinkerton got back to making barrels, and he quickly cornered the the lucrative Dundee barrel market due to the superior quality and low price of.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

03:53 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Allan Pinkerton is born in founder of the Pinkerton born in Glasgow Scotland to William Pinkerton and his wife Isabelle McQueen on August twenty fifth. Eighteen nineteen another Scottish character. Still haven't traveled to Scotland ins end and stayed there for a suck. But it keeps coming up Scottish characters. Keep going up highlanders rednecks rights. Some some some hillbillies Pinkerton grew up in the notorious Goebbels district and urban slums notorious for wretched living conditions and crime in the nineteenth century overcrowded area of crude housing built by factory owners design mainly for factory workers who couldn't afford to to to rent out places of their own as young man Pinkerton embraced charges them a political movements to see the working class more fairly Representative British government. And he became a vocal leader of the movement in Scotland and eighteen forty two Twenty-three-year-old Pinkerton less Scotland amid a violent crackdown against sharks leadership that year petition calling for political reform in favor of the working class gathered three and a half million signatures, and it was rejected by parliament an economic depression. Also hit Britain that year leading to wage cuts for factory workers which led to factory strikes which led to very angry mobs, which led to mob violence, which led to the government arresting numerous shortest leaders demanding the reforms that led to the violence, which led to Pinkerton bouncing the fuck on outta Scott. Outlined when he realized the British government just wasn't going to treat Scottish workers fairly anytime soon. And and also, you know imprinted on his brain a little little desire for Justice. He didn't feel the the working class. I guess was Steve in Scotland. But it is interesting to this happen to him as well because then later in life towards the end of his life. He was struggling with this morally, but he would end up reaching the height of his kind of organizational strength by kind of becoming what he hated in this sense where you know, the Pinkerton would gain the most notoriety for cracking down on the working class for being hired by industrialists. Representing factory owners to to squash strikes, which I didn't know before this sucks. So it's weird that he left Scotland. Because he's like, oh, man. These these guys are just they're not treat these workers. Very well. And you know, and we're not gonna get any fair treatment. So I gotta go to America. And then later on you know, as he reaches middle age. He becomes the person. He hated in many ways, we'll talk about that. Alan and his wife Joan landed in Canada quickly made their way west Chicago, which was just another frontier. Outpost in the early eighteen forty s eighteen forties, Chicago, the Pinkerton arrives. In was a rapidly changing, very cata town pretty damn Newtown. It wasn't till August fourth eighteen thirty that Chicago is even surveyed in planet, aka mapped in eighteen thirty three. That's when Chicago incorporated into his city and eighteen forty cities still didn't even have five thousand residents, isn't it so weird how towns develop, you know, there was a there was other towns. I'm sure surrounded around America that did not go further to become big metropolises. There were much bigger at the time, then Chicago, but you cog, really really what what what bananas after this. But yeah. At eight hundred forty had four thousand four hundred seventy residents that's not to say that's a small town. I've been in a lot of towns around that size, and they are not Chicago. But it was growing rapidly in ten years, it would Grover sixfold into a city of thirty thousand and then it would. Nearly quadruple in size the next decade reaching a population of over one hundred and ten thousand eighteen sixty despite a cholera outbreak taken out five percent of the population. Eighteen fifty four so many buttonholes blown clean off that year with the worst diarrhea outbreak in Chicago history. Lot of MacGill's pop just like, oh, God, it's mobile. Mobile. Sorry. Your listeners that was a little Donner party suck callback there. Suck ninety four. He'll so in Pinkerton drive, Chicago Chicago's very quickly changing become a booming metropolis..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:21 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"The you might not have had the chance to learn about during school or if you like. If you're like me, maybe you did possibly have the chance, but you weren't paying attention. 'cause you didn't that your teachers are very good definitely more as good as the great courses professors. I have really really enjoyed. The course your deceptive mind by Dr Steven novella. It's truly changed the way. I look at the world around me. How research has podcast fascinating. Look at how our brains worked process information and misinformation, you know, learn how to separate science from pseudoscience that surrounds us every day and just become a stronger critical thinker. I've been leaning on lecture nineteen from this course, electric title, the trap of grand conspiracy thinking for a lot of the secret suck kind of stuff I pursue. And then for the new world order suck Dr novella in this lecture talks directly about conspiracies talks about something called the tough word of and do my best paranoia paranoia. The tendency of our brain to impose patterns on random data brain wants the world to be ordered. Just the way. Our brains connected. We want events that we witness. To make sense, you want to be able to to file them in the appropriate compartments of our mind because a sense of not being able to figure out exactly why something is happening. You know can fill you with dread anxiety. Actually, have the words embrace the darkness tattooed on right bicep. Which is my way of saying we never are ever going to understand why certain things happen or don't. So why worry about it? You know, embrace the unknown because some of the unknown will will inevitably just remain unknown. Despite how much thought you put towards it. And this this mental process of paranoia can manifest itself in conspiratorial thinking you start connecting dots. That aren't really connected just because you just want them to be connected. You you start seeing patterns or no patterns actually exists. The illuminated I on the back of a dollar Bill Pinkerton use of of an all knowing I in their iconography time suck using the all knowing I and there I you know, it's like it's it's going to be connected. They're all part of the freemasons. They're all part of the body. It's all part of the same plan. Or is it that or did a lot of people just think that's a fucking cool. Looking. I I like that. So, you know, for for much more detail nation of what I just touched on so much more so many topics give the great courses, plus a try, I know you're gonna enjoy the.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

03:29 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"You know, a lot of those old westerns like my favorite movie tombstone they have those characters who who are like an outlaw dot Colladay outlaw one second. And then lawmen technically the next, you know, some having quickly quickly sworn in with some some few words of an oath give him a badge. And then they can help track down somebody. They may have been committing crimes with the previous week that wasn't just Hollywood. That's that's how it was basically pre Pinkerton super duper easy to get away with a lot of crimes and most of America, especially out west where the where the Pinkerton would end up doing a lot of business. I think about this stuff with this this new game of implying that and that red dead redemption to play a lot but a play played a little bit over the thanksgiving break open world game. If you're not familiar open world games that at the Taylor in the nineteenth century somewhere, the American west and your cowboy who's. Of this outlaw gang, and you go on various missions, Robin. You know, train going out to rival gang hideout that kind of stuff, but you can also just walk around and just ride your horse around this big open world similar to HBO's Westworld. And when I first started wandering around the woods, I can't forget which button you would push to talk to strangers compared to which you'd push to shoot them. And I kept accidentally drawing my gun on people and shooting people, and then and then the hue and cry people start out I shop I like. You know, I get him or whatever they start yelling. And all of a sudden, like a mob would truly form that a bunch of people are just fucking shooting at you. And that will get killed initially. But then I realized that if I just killed all the witnesses that and then just like ran away before some other people showed up to see me with all the bodies. No one's coming looking for me. And then I was like, oh, yeah. That's that's how it was now especially pre Pinkerton when no one's really doing any investigation. Like, there's none if nobody directly witnesses you committing some random crime of opportunity, you're not going to get caught like unless you open your mouth and are bragging about it, the saloon, and you know, and just totally incriminate yourself, and that person decides to to tell somebody then maybe you'll get Cobb. Otherwise, how the fuck with a catchy. There's no security cameras. And and there's no real police wandering around patrol or anything. Craziness to me prior to Pinkerton what we mostly know about criminal investigations. It just wasn't many. You know, we think about the Salem witch trials suck you know, that kangaroo court allowing spectral evidence to be entered, you know, someone dreamed you were a witch actually held evidence. And some weird court. You could be you could be hanged because someone dreamed you're which you know, that happened less than two hundred years before the Pinkerton, the Joan of arc staff all those crazy inquisitions, you know, that wasn't that wasn't that far before the patient has not really, you know, just lunatics, you know, convicting people based on horse shit. You know, you know, we know now the police officers as we know them today came into existence in the last two hundred years, and how do those police officers investigate crimes not very well at first they had no forensic evidence to help them with. Investigations and hell, and they weren't just a lot of times that good at their jobs. The pay was released shitty. A lot of times it was still kind of like a quasi volunteer position. And you know, there's nothing this night. There was some academy or anything like there is now they just just random people just getting thrown into quote, unquote, law enforcement wasn't a craft you could hone. So now that we know a little bit about how law enforcement worked at the world prior to the Pinkerton. Finally, let's get into the Pinkerton CLA changed things how they introduce new investigative methods. And just you know, here's some fascinating tales in today's times timeline right after a.

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The long-term effects of inhaling wildfire smoke

KCBS Radio Afternoon News

01:15 min | 2 years ago

The long-term effects of inhaling wildfire smoke

"To many pollutants we build a top hip. We actually have clean air days. Followed by bad air quality days, followed by clean air, kind of intermittent exposure can actually create more problems than just simply a constant exposure to particle. Our respiratory systems are pretty good at clearing. Most particulate matter the Airways will typically clear within twenty four to forty eight hours even with material that makes its way deeper into our lungs. They should clear within three months or Sal. But Dr Pinkerton says the bigger problem is we don't know exactly what's in that wildfire smoke, obviously, a good portion of it comes from vegetation. There can be a lot of other things that are being released into the air as structures are burning and releasing particles and gases into the atmosphere. Susan Lee Taylor KCBS Silicon Valley tech giant's provide free meals to their employees. Well, that's great for workers. It doesn't do much for nearby restaurants by Cogan. And says it Facebook has reached an agreement with the city of Mountain View that addresses those concerns proved new Facebook offices in the San Antonio shopping center on the condition that restaurants in the complex to be used for fifty percent of employees meals. Facebook public policy

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"pinkerton" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

01:42 min | 2 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on KTRH

"We've been going to kill it. We've been going all the different barbecue restaurants of of acclaim in the community. I said, you know, honestly, there's enough room out there for another barbecue joint. You don't have to be better than the others. But I want to be better. You don't have to. And what is better? Like pinkerton? I got a bunch of friends. They they they they look Marquardt and Keith lawyer. They always wanna go eat at Pinkerton Pinkerton is getting a lot of acclaim as a great barbecue joint. But to me, I don't like my sauce to be that. Sweet. And they're already slathering the sauce on it. Just fine. That's not to say Pinkerton barbecue is not great. That is to say that is one style of barbecue. And a lot of people like it. I don't like a bunch of sugar in my food, and I can taste a lot of sugar in in the sauce there some people do that's fine. But I think there is I think the internet contributes to this end the lists see what people don't realize is a lot of those lists. There's a famous chef in town. And I'm not I'm not in any way, reducing the claim he has received national celebrity for being a great chef. But I will tell you this. I think that. Everybody might not deserve a Petit participation trophy. But just like in politics. There are food writers that have their favorites. I could I could show you who I think are ten of the best chefs in town..

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"pinkerton" Discussed on WDRC

WDRC

01:33 min | 3 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on WDRC

"Attorney chadd pinkerton las vegas police have still not released a motive for the shooting gunman steven paddock shot and killed himself as police were closing in on his hotel room another way to ramp up the pressure on north korea the white house today again designating pyongyang state sponsor of terrorism article effect of it is it all we already have media these actions employers through the car sanctions fit by though disrupt and dissuade some third parties from undertaking certain activities with north korea secretary of state rex tillerson as as this has meant to be a lesson to leader kim jong owen that it's only going to get worse until he is ready to common talk charlie rose has apologized after eight women came forward to the washington post accusing the journalists have sexual harassment cbs has suspended him while pbs has halted distribution of his interview show reaction from members of congress after second woman has come forward accusing democrat senator al franken of sexual misconduct lord or republican senator marco rubio told fox he didn't want to get ahead of the facts obviously i think that's going to be taken up by the ethics committee and i'll let them begin the process are i share everyone else's bonded in that's unacceptable and clearly you know something that uh but i has outrage a lot of people michigan democrat congressman debbie dingell told mbc now hab why sisters daughters france families we gotta fix says together in change the contract on capitol hill mike manual fox news fox news fair and balanced no hiring is important.

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"pinkerton" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

02:24 min | 3 years ago

"pinkerton" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Two very different takes on the old murder ballad called pretty poly that is emily pinkerton singer foged position and king patrick burke of now ensemble and indeed with the full now ensemble based here in new york little bit of a different uh project for them rather than working with contemporary composers work with under material and the folk singer emily pinkerton on aversion poly before that you heard the actress sophie reid who plays the daughter of a deceased folk musician in the film barracuda for which roles she learned to sing and play the guitar and you heard her version of pretty poly which is a pretty raw and pretty dark version even by murder ballads standards uh you might have noticed in the now ensemble version that we just heard it begins and ends with the with william walking away from poly is grave nothing behind but the birds to mourn her that is not how pretty poly ends in the sophie read performance she come back and sort of haunts william after being killed to claim what she's owed by the pale moonlight and those are those are two common very sense of the tail of pretty poly one where she's just killed that's it and the other where she does come back and haunt william in some versions have william being driven mad by this war confessing to the crime or killing himself but then there are also there's even aversion where uh as he goes to murder her poly pulls out a knife for selfish and kills him instead so the the point is there's lots of dead behavior going in in whatever verdict pretty poly you're listening to if you're listening to a version that sticks to the words will give you a break from that though with this next version and instrumental by bill for sell the the amazing eclectic american qatar in a trio with bass player rahm carter and drummer paul motion to veteran jazz musicians who on this record find themselves the following bill foul into the into the woods and haulers of appalachia to to excavate some some old american folk songs and here is their version of pretty poly.

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