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#TSP119 - Karl Pilkington (Part 2)

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#TSP119 - Karl Pilkington (Part 2)

"How are you doing? I'm Craig Parkinson you. Listen to the to shop. Podcasts DOWN PUBLIC. How on marital child this way? GonNa tell you right now. Keep him well. keeping safe more importantly are you keeping indoors. Of course you are. Of course you are because you're a sensible lot well done but look. I'm not talking about that because it's you know every time we switch on the radio. Which on the tally. We read the papers. There is what we really need is a pair of escapism. And I can't think of a better way than to delve back into the mind of Mr Karl Pilkington. Who came to say as a few weeks? Back Book are gone to that in a second. Now I'll be honest with you trying times for all of us off employees work in in the arts Spoken to a lot of the podcast as as well what we're going to try. And they was going to think outside the box what we with the right for the next month. We've got your back. I've got episodes in the bank and the role kraken and a car white veto lesson after possibly before the what were thinking of doing is to plan out with an idea is to get you involved a listener and I was watching a bit of Roma Shrunk Nathan and Cheney Redknapp during his term live. Talk the other night and I thought whoa something people would want to get involved with them. We could do that. Could we saw photograph? We're GONNA work out a way how to get it sounded readiness and maybe we can record input our podcast as well. So if you haven't joined instagram. I think now would be the best time to do. So you can get joining. So the plant is that I saw a guest. So it's me on the guest on instagram will do. A talk is not going to be as in depth. It's not could be an hour. I'm thinking maybe three four minutes or something like that. We'll have a little talk and then you the listener get your questions. Ready Penghu amounts on instagram and We'll answer them. Guess will answer them so we all get involved in the conversation as that sound so keep your feeds open and ready joins. Graham get ready. We're hoping we're going to solve this within a week booked I'm GonNa once and got the guest. I will saw out a date and a time. And then I'll do a little announcement on this platform and on social media as well and then we will join and we will have a big old lovely conversation. Does that sound good loud sounds I think it could be a real bows now also a massive thank you to everybody the supporters on Patriot. And I'll pay radio list of livelihoods gone You know All productions have ceased. They've devote posed. I don't know when any filming is going to be happening again in his loud people. I know they're in the same about but also you know. Friends who will restaurants producers directors states crew crew television film all in the same boat. So if anything that you can do to help those supporting Kate. This podcast going. I understand that it's testing times for all of us and we've got a really knuckle down but if you do want suppose then get patron dot com forward slash to shop and then have you can keep this podcast going. During these testing times we will try and repay you with some of the best conversations that you hear. If you're new to the podcast you know this is episode. One Hundred Nineteen go back as loud. You've got Simon hurons now stopping get up-to-date though brilliant fascinating conversations and. I'm proud of each and everyone you know I am so Yeah get your phones on. They'll stay in God listening right so. I need to preface this episode that I was running light for call. Anybody that knows me knows that I. I'm a stickler for time. I I really hate being life. People feel very embarrassed about it. I was like for for car. Because another meeting on the other side of town. Down any blah blah blah. There's no excuse craigslist fairly yes. I know an notes on the door to calls hotel got that. And he ends the Dole just in his own Defense Sakala. Why what an hour will it was raining so to take my jeans often and Dr didn't WanNa put them on the still. What so. We wait for his jeans to try because you want to say that eighties jeans. I understand it was just a very comical side to say Kabul concern. And he's under so. This is jeans on episode with Carpal Kingston from London. And we start off having a nice catcher because he's been a while since we've seen each other and coal poses a bit of a problem. We'll hear you here and hope the by the end of it. We we waited through the woods and the thing that resolution of anyway. This is the self-isolation tonic. We all need bright now. A lovely of car back on is an absolute joy and I hope this really Brian. Gitai YOU ENJOY. This is episode one hundred. Nineteen off the to show podcast. He's always a pleasure. It's just great to welcome back is called. Pilkington and joy. I see you at the end when you go in from place to place so you've got to do certain things were you want. You don't want to come back to somewhere. Clinical and you want to say the doesn't fail like a hotel. Have you ever been to Vegas no hotels Solis Solis massive. I mean like I'm not joking. I'm not exaggerating. When I was filming Charleston Values. You could do at twenty minute. Walk through really seriously and you won't always find it hard to go back and say whereas again give you a map and then it's really bad ways like now. They give you a lot to carry a case e shattered the time he gets to your room. You ought to stay the night. Only go his life straight brewery for yourself again ridiculous but I hate it and I remember being got down to the reception net phones on couldn't be asked. I was like you know what I'll buy I'll be belted. That's how big they are. Yeah they have a lot of deaths in hotels in Vegas like people commit suicide. Because they've lost the money. And they have like special corridors. So you can get to every room if the aftershock order off because these are the past all the other Gods yes yeah. Special boxer coming clean up the blood and light within an hour someone else's in the room he sees proper like. Oh my it's just a machine. Yeah bought a worst place on. Earth accounts stunned salary. Therefore did you guys always like fulfilment so it was always there for like maybe two nights maximum boy is off an eastern is too long everything about the place isn't me is like people the red just mood you can send stop people on happy. They've lost money gambling it to go there thinking they're going to turn the life around and he does not happen here and go to like a. Denny's in the morning and all those Kathy a diner people with their heads in the rounds just lost. I people arguing on the street sick everywhere. It's just what did it cold east a call it like back. In the day in America it was called. This is not say so. Everyone's doing band and he's like he's just in the air like Bob. Miss a lot of noise car. Eight the destruction sky so this room out for because I thought I was worried when you said Oh. Cathy awesome to know about no plunging. That's why we're not in the usual place today because it's off term for one and two doors down his Harry Potter an online poll shows. Because it's after like just like no two kids tailored noise come do now. I can't do it so well remembered that we got was really quite as well. So we'll find this is yeah. No this is good. It's become former these shot. Well we never know. We're going to get into it for say. I'll say and you also if you're in a cafe I imagine you feel like you're in the way. Oh you start whispering people. I'm a bit funny about people. I'm talking about locally. Where normally record will I down in a bone cuts? There's nobody else that comes down. The juice does upstairs. Sometimes you can hear live Loris and clanging and say sometimes it sounds Nice. Sometimes it can be distracting. Yeah Com account do so. We're going to Chop Avi been. I been awhile. Yeah it was all exciting Tommaso you want it gone downhill house based just kind of. I'm not doing anything on the minute. I don't even know meant to be doing or what I wanted to as I'm really nice. It's not an easy about it really like life. Life's long. I'm what I'm doing now. I'm alright for more knee. I'm not worrying about paying a bill or anything but just thought I want to do now. I haven't got any major pastime thing that I can say I can do that. You've always got things to do and tinker with you know. Bought bought been owned. Been cleaning. Lot Suzanne's go in you. Drive me mouths out the cleaning thing. I'll tell some people and some people have said sign of depression that when you clean it all the time. He's like no no. It's just a place to go in last night. You know you being. It's like you've got nothing to do and it's not just like a clean things. Everything's that now if you're out scruffy depression it's everything's not because. I know I'm just like cleaning but I am a bit. I A bit restless. I don't know what I'm going to be doing so there's something going on need to do something about this. Don't know what it is. I've recently had a origami. An Origami ought to learn Oregon. Just yeah we fix something to do in some of these like creating something. It's not a mass. It's not like I've been paints everywhere and all our she's some paper. Yeah create something and then just you can destroy afternoon. I mean it's just not a big. Do you know what I mean. These are hobbies. Not Sack Up. You've got loads of things and I have a special room for all that whereas this is just a bit bored. Let's let's make a chicken or whatever and then so screw it up and say. I'm I am donate though. He's arrived for drying out because the postman left outside down his love all the things to leave outside the British special thin paper. The normal and a book with the different things that you do with it so so yeah go out about Yoga. Carl Keith. Haring nicer good thing too about back. But I'm not that good at your job in my sandwich. Yeah I know it's meant to sort of anyway. What's brill fantastic? My Sandwich with fine. Thanks school not no. I'm sure it's fine. I'll just tell. Yeah the Yoga. No say in that. I started last year when I was a why work enjoyed it. All the with a group with a group of yeah but it was only lie. I started at my first class. There was just like five women in it. It would obviously all before like they were dead band in that good. Feel like they're watching. You did not sleep because I was just stood at the back or I didn't feel intimidated out. I just wanted to keep myself to myself. Focus on what I was doing. See if I could get something out of it. Yeah looking if ice as fill him with dread a group stuff. I'm not I don't know. Don't you find it odd when you've been on the telly not don't don't people of make a false make to know? I find worse. Don't mind someone coming over in Sinaloa asking for just stare and yeah well I'd rather not put myself in that I'm rubbish without actually. I can't get used to that wreck. Recognition thing to the point of. I'd rather not go to places become a bit. He become a bit rather go through that stage of life being the hermit. And just like you know what I prefer to just avoid. Avoid it kind of thing that sometimes anyway when it's not nothing to do with kind of recognised just like sometimes it's really not the mood. Yeah that's what I'm saying. So you go out and someone comes over. How wants to chat and all and you know in the mood. You've got to you because you can't be rude. Yeah you don't WanNa come across like no and you never going to see him again. So he's not like you see him again and go along the other day. I was a bit of a Knob. Sorry no I liken it to like you know before talion if a one hour and you saw someone who you knew what you were in the mood for CIA and you'd sort of keep you down that way and keep walking like there's nothing wrong with that person it might be someone who you know. Well you just get on with your day for. He's like you can't do that because you don't know who's going to recognize you. You can walk down the street and like someone recognizes you. You don't know them and they just walk into a big chart and sometimes just lie. I just want you know by me so sophomore assault not only me day because some people con an easy say you don't you don't WanNa be rude. You don't WanNa be a Decca talk genuine. Dick no one. I don't know but some people just read the situation on the kind of a bit more. I- i- moaning about this new cow. Listen nobody's Assyrian. Yeah and if affects you so going out during the day to day things then yeah you just go. Pick your time here and Just always happens. I don't have to go out that much. I'm not I don't have to go to all I'm not that bothered about that but just day today stuff going home base. I've been there a lot Sam into gardening and not I'm always in there by bits and pieces and someone's always there allow tuning in and it's kind of like well. Why wouldn't being through the garden? Have you had your just want this? And it's the it's when they make a foster feel all like Offset a low and then you know they go off and get the work may and it just turned into a bit of a embarrassing call yet. Really Embarrassing Yeah. Because I'm just a normal person I mean I'm not Justin Bieber. I'm not in this world. Lack of bubble of having loads of assistance in everything I'm nipping out by pathologic. Do not mean that's all a one. I'm cancer point. Where you like can you? Can you can get in the car. Because he's just I'm sure pass by the moment it just seems I'm not in the mood for something find live so if you're out together to she can be rude. Sometimes at the most the time there are I and they'll saw God you know the wait for the moment they saw of Safeway. Now we're having some some people wait until like the consumer paid the bill and they'll come over and go quick picture. What sometimes the just like. She's not even there and it just kind of almost pushing out the way and you know they've already got the camera record in an all ironies. Sa- don't you think people just so overwhelmed in a bit over-excited and they're not really thinking why and it can come across line being miserable where I don't get it is like I'm what were don't is this amazing because I've been on the teller Allah and I wonder if it's because a seem more approachable. I saw a wonder if the queen is respecting respecting. And I think if the Queen went out safety the you know the queen the Queen. Yeah she went to all day ought. Is there anything? I'm pretty sure she could walk around. I don't think she'd castled think it'd be a SA- Queen Castle Queen muted whispers. Yeah whereas I think we may not always or I always one of those India at LAC. La Don't locks does to my now that's all I'm saying. Oh you didn't no one's GonNa do that with the Queen. No one's going to go down so so he's like I haven't got that so it's like the worst situation. He's like people just go. It'll be it'll be fine is in every month. Do whatever talking to one there. That's the last thing that I think I've just had some bad situations that are on. It made me just a bit. Light will rather moan about it. I'll just stay out of the way stab but you shouldn't after yourself away just made ads worrying about just WanNa get nickeled and like I say I'm not that bothered about going out anyway. I'm not someone who I love me. Being Oh yeah I love being in the garden and doing stuff alike the clean and I'm not doing it because I'm depressed. I like cleaning. You've got everything you need. Everything named yeah like like a good dinner now and again. But you've got like having nice food you up every day you can use otherwise not treat so well. It ceases to become special. Yeah and then get me so ready for and I I tend to go to places. Nice places that you kind of go without getting headlock thus the goal whereas Greg's also means that if a nipped in there for pasta guarantee. Something's GonNa Happen if you want Sunday route. And you're going on a harvest. Forget it's your own fault. Suzanne still go she goes to a toby. What's IT and she goes Bush's lie as brilliant. You know that. And he said you can go back. And he's like. Yeah but it's not worth it. I've been a go back and get seconds and all are not going to enjoy because until Sunday. Everyone's out drink as well. They're going to be more confident about a drink. I'm not willing to you know I've had locked for the sake of over another young. Suppose NO WORTH IT. So yes it's annoying. It's like a mon again. I don't want to do just talk and I know you don't go into these situations not much have really for our you. Lie Work Dues when there's lots of businesses people around you know the rap pie at the end of filming salaries and you have to go to that because it's a chance to say thanks to everyone. I know when you when you the the main thing in it and you've been working with everyone and you kind of I think you know he's a chance to have a proper chat with people and that's a controlled environment and that's true body yet. I don't go to I don't go to the is or anything don't ever told you've lost. I for Star Account. Remember what we talked about last if it just repeat and you don't know anything like a wedding or any get together and that's nothing to do with what I was talking about getting an ad LoC now from a young age of never really gone to social gatherings and stuff. Yeah don't don't don't do it because it fills you with anxiety. Oh you just was confirmed defined it. Just odd work. I'm a tires now. I'm absolutely shattered. Like even just just around or even seeing let me mom and dad like catching up with them but I have a ruled ice by the Nile. There's if they come to ours. It's like two nights and then you know come on. Let's get you own because we've had a chat with a catch up. Don't want to ruin it. I just think the longer I mean. He's a bit like doing this. The last Sawyer was the last year so a podcast and I think he's good. You don't have to see each other that often. No I'm this something in I mean we've been in Tortula Donald tax kind of I remember when I went away with worry. Davis did some traveling within and then when I got back. Ricky saying we're all there and then worry quite a me up again after all hours like don't have to a good at a good time. What's a carry on? The relationship was like with donate. We've been through some good good experience bad experiences. Let's leave it. Leave it because and there's something in a kind of wonder what the world would be like if you didn't have friends who you saw every week because I wonder you get into these raw and he's talking about the same Shariat and he's like. Yeah you've told me told me whereas if you meet different people and get in different stories and people telling you different ways of looking at things. I wonder if you change as a person more about your word. You know. We don't do that to us like we not necessarily but you ever Klay Clara friends and go sometimes. I don't know why we're friends. What why we've been friends for so long. I don't know what it is at least wait for me when I'm gone many again. Now that is a Jesus just is choice. Because I don't know why I've always been later. I remember leaving school and then a lot of people who owes close without school day you walk out and that was about life and I'm moving on but do you do have to clear out Yeah like actually mean. Do you go as far as like delete number. I have done in the past and hourly because that Sounds Ashton. But only. Because it's like wait. We haven't spoken for eighteen months now at he sought relationship. You got us off the ethics both ways Jolie and I feel that for the woman more efforts up skuld whenever that happened. In the brief times it's happened of gone about the end up closure you sound. I have moments when I look through phone when you. If you're in a in a way in room then stops is and you don't want to sit there looking everyone so you locked down and you look phone. I'm pretending I've got people concept to me when you're having a clear out through the phone book. But how can we phone book or am I think who can send a message? Choose your CEO air meet me phonebook. He's like chippy Indian. Also plus mom. You know fix a window as whole he's host the flight that you're not going to send it to say he's not going to happen on the other foot at Christmas that we didn't to know about the building so it's just a stray Saudi Chinese. You'RE GONNA use a bull. I haven't gone off. I mean because you told my I have gone off but we live in a world where it's all about buying. It's all about facebook and social media and all is about friends. How many friends of Ego on everything? That's friends in quotation marks. Not Live friends they really. I don't think yeah suppose it depends on where it is. Yeah how did you get onto that because the warrick thing when it was it was the fact that I was? What did he say to worry now and he saw a left what? I think he didn't say no and I explained to him that we've been through a lot and we've got those experiences in our mind now. Yeah what else is to do? Maybe in a few years time we ever catch up and go remember when that happened. Just to just reminisce. Just the reminiscent say. I'm not I'm not going to be going round plane. Ps Two wherever he's not as apple's you know seventeen amino squats hard and when your kid it's easy to be mate. She used to knock on the door and go you play now do that when you nearly fifty he plano so everyone's got lives on the got stuff to get on with cleaning cleaning today and the weird thing is it's a bit like senior ex doing this sustain. We like Ricky and Steve. It's I am seeing for ages because we're not doing a podcast or we're not doing a show together or whatever so you saw a drift pa a bit and then you're doing your thing and Edwina is now when you do have a minute and you send a text and go. Draw me up hot. Should told me of got plans. These not well. I didn't know it was going to be free to be honest. I'm about on the off. They'll know and before you know as like she's I'm seeing each other for ages so it's kind of easy to let things drift apart though and there is a young reasons to me. I imagine on deck. You know I don't know what's what's the longest spell wavered where the off the chart because they constantly it down. There live on the same street of Sonar. I don't live around the corner from each making up. You must be. You're thinking of the Assessment Street Bernie Shrimp. I am Shaw. That they both live in west London and so on so Mongolia's now if they live lack of like you'll be on. Gogo where they live. Yeah IT'S NOT DASA mythic. Someone told you that's a joke. That's did not cloaks donates bay that choose to be. I'm I'm the Pepsi Challenge. This normal graph goal is on it. We'll find out before the end of this conversation. If they live both live in Westland at all for either you know these. May and then store. Cheese dill laxed. Now don't put words. I'm not saying next door saying in the same vicinity. I did say straight for store fly because I don't really know anyone on the road. I live on names to not. I don't I don't do that thing about in Amazon dropping puzzles because they don't want them to think right. Well we can do the same with them and then I'm some parcels and everything so he's asked for authority for the neighbors. Have we ought something or are we just turned into a warehouse next door general me so I don't I don't log into that but they'd be night that'd be good or if you go away and you can trust someone to feed the cats over fades the cats when you go on. Susan's Mace and she's goto reliable by it. Just be nice. Maybe tough somebody you really know. You know if if somebody more important as well that you need someone close by. I Dunno but you can't you can't pick and choose if you're going to have a mate you've got other primate and you've got a like. I don't I don't know if I want my hassle. You got to go. I've done it now or I've got enough. I've got exactly the quota. Well they say I said I remember saying ages ago do you need. I think I said about snow. White in the seven dwarfs yeah and she had it all covered right so should you have more than seven because she got every every type of person that didn't shave you wide like a grumpy won the ash going through them. Someone who's pace you pay reliable that seven I. It was the reliable account. Remember all the names on reliable is trying to think about reliable friends trustworthy friends. There was one that was sneezing law. Permanent Cold Corona virus. The Google glasses. We'll make talk. Was He adopt? So yeah what was the one that I'd lie is who was like don't pay. Yeah how would he was called? Hey Wall swimming right God. We need just moving first. Let's get the thing not so much now. I think what producer no just just Google on stage right. Thank you just clarification and did used to live Ryanair before they will at least too much. This is after all the costing when. Oh all right good advice you should move just a little bit of a break. That may be combat together. Relationship will be even stronger. Adriano to making stuff up now. Well pretty much just just thought not how we could have gone that we could. Do you ever get invited dinner. Parties call not anymore. Why because you turn them down too much or we bend. I've I've done a couple via light Suzanne's maze or your man. No No. It was my mace. I think prefer to just stay in. WanNa enjoy the food that rather than that sort of thing of too much else when you buy in? You told me an all out because you you try to watch him. Longo a love me food on. It is nice to say it come down again at after. Do the two together and I certainly don't want a lot of people all in one go alike. You know I like seeing someone and then seeing them having to catch up. The moving on to someone else could never do that. So combine business. Oh God no where know. I don't get that I don't Cook by the way I'm not into showing off a lot of people I do because they go. Let me cookie my latest dish that I've learned a lot and now there's none of that these these no and I can't enjoy having people in me out because I was thinking all the shoes off the shoes off possesions like ECON. If don't people don't want the shoes of some people funny about but then again is your no. I'm not tell you things like that when you watch other. You know what else in the country and license on people just walk into people's houses that they haven't bought yet but their houses in the country for sale go walking in the been out in the country mode on shoes and they go wondering straight away. I'm like understanding the shoes off the boy him bully you just tell you choose not so. Akon. Enjoy people in meow because even that could be every ended So again I prefer to make make more of an effort and say I tell you what. Let's rent a cottage. Some and I've like a night together. We can have a drink and a CIA order takeaway. Keep keep shoes on if you want. Because it's normally in a cottage thing it's like stone floor and you know I'm an ice time. Goldman next day gone whereas if people stay over to your house to get what time they going to be leaving. I don't 'cause breakfast yeah I was I was in Yorkshire dials ages ago I got I said to the Bay woman. What's breakfast on a on? A I think it was a Saturday morning. She weights between nine and nine thirty. I want it's not big window said on us a lot before nine literally between nine and nine thirty say which is quite strict window for breakfast. Already I'm going to sleep going. I'm scared I'm going to over breakfast and I wanted to have a nice sleep because I've been out. I've never heard of our half hour window for breakfast but never fall on so I'm going to so this is all the people in there. Yeah so everybody. That wasn't just your window. Everybody's dashing down there yet boy you've got remember army was there. Let's say this six rooms that still still. It could be like two in each room. Yeah exactly that's a lot of all to be. Suddenly I was down there. There was for the people as I was leaving. Somebody else was culminated on the nine twenty five. Did they look under no got? The paper went out but the five yes. Because I didn't have the best night's sleep because I'm worried about missile Brat. Documents to be about the tree in exactly going away and as older is due like me own space and I think I'll have weekends away air in their shoes on. It's not really for me. Can you relax when you go calm? Because he's not me own bed pillow. Would you not say as trade fly? Oh Susanna do I saw this this is this is keeping happy. Something different something for a coke because we can set and we bought. I'm a I'm a bit kind of all over. The place of me is like I don't like change by also need change exactly because he drives me mad when a down. So it's this weird thing and I remember when I was younger in new that I could never do a job. Dot can went back in the old days. Your people do whatever job they did. The day for life Sudan's was the same. I think he had like two jobs in his life and I remember being a kid. I'm always watch coronation street my Baldwin without factory the neck if he's never had a change quite wealthy himself could've put his money into Saint Factory making knickers and I wish I could not do that. A new even younger. I'm talking nine going. Don't one and he's successful added leather coat and all I always was the posh man cigars Jagua. Yeah that's right for a Bra. Forgo the Jag and the House and that fact you so miserable. That little room could constantly hear the machines go ahead and I thought I don't I don't I always want a change. I don't know what I want but I don't know how they been nothing though where I always wanted to change. But what's happened at that point the minute where I don't know what the change is. I can't do what I don. I need something new but I don't know what it is and we all we all need routine. I know they saw of some people who saw say routines killer. Awesome thing some bloke told me and but we need some source structure. I know like children. Yeah need the routine and the need structure as we get older. We can be loosened. We can loosen ourselves from the routine if that's what we need but Leo Best Pitcher Alps today yet. Paul personally for me. I think it does for someone does something that I do that. He's so unstructured. And so kind of unreliable you know. From day to day walks goodies. Is Your saw a doing a different job? Might be in a different program or this. You mean different people in different locations a seems perfect really I think is perfect job. Why because he's is involved in something that's like people enjoying is moving himself. Yeah he's got no pressure on as long as recording. It can sit. They could sit with his eyes closed. It could have a little sleep and you wouldn't know J- Juneau means because he doesn't not allowed to speak as a stike. Some really good slightly might be in the mood. I don't know you mean next safety kind of do you know what I'm not in the mood to meet and today is the pressure on you to show an interest wherever especially when it's taken me so long to book all the guests for that because I was faded in this before Christmas and it was dead. Cold Rim Manchester. And we don't a couple in the day and then. I think someone to draw POWs. I was like all right great. Now wait until this last one of the day and it was the last one of the which one Oprah five persons fault you may my situation but you know what this person that walked in through. But I never met him before. And I'm on Oscar. Great and all of a sudden are thought to decide before though at our friends who you've not met and then get rid of. You don't have to see him again now. You can get on with them and go. That was a good experience. I remember that because it was nice audio. Let's see what else is out in. The world chains from big band identified inmate. And you know I'm like I don't WanNa put anything that is no. I don't know proud of you. Got To to dig deep and most and I didn't after because the conversation kind of float but it changed me you know but it was a nice failing. Yeah but he's good because in is kind of the same job right. It's not the same job I need something like that. I need something where I can dip in it. Don't take over my life. I can enjoy a time off in between them. I've got something to do. Yeah you know. I've got me Origami. I can go for a bit. I'll kill some time. Is The winsome on says. Well that you know in the garden. Yesterday I saw in between the rain not getting a bit. Where an enjoyed? But it's just this weather. It does not work for me. That has the first few months. He's obviously he's not no one sees shit. This is horrible. Gets me down one's going now? No one's gotten him on a no one wants to do anything. Just want to stay in the heating. He's endless. I watched a weather. And he's like same shitty weather at the minute I mean is it global warming and what. I don't know I've no idea but whatever it is it's a bloody mess. Yeah he's got he's on. I keep thinking about moving noon abroad dimension. That last year we did torture really Suzanne's look alright. Might Be Sonia by you just going to be the same. You still going to be restless. He's still going to be clean. Is going to the same life to somewhere with some. I think just. I don't know I'd like nowadays wanted. Try Out when you do a child period than there's nothing to lose an exit golden extended holiday. Yeah but it's not the same holiday and all of these different if you go rhino. We're GONNA move here and we're gonNA three months and then we'll say as all dimitar in the war on this would be possible viable win and he's like when you see people on place in the Sun Gone we've done in a place. Where moving our have you been here before? Yeah we did a week once someone we love the holiday this is going to be on the beach every day drinking cocktails every night. You've got get on with the normal life young. You're going to the shop. You'll be doing the washing and he's not thinking of what is I'm trying to chase a. I'm I'm I'm after the dream but I don't really know what remains on. I've said it before. It's not thinking of what you think's dream is it. Is it as good as you think? And then you get it and we move back. No we can't me back and he's going to be a big upheaval to move house. He's not not doing another flight. They might get through one flight. They're not doing so. They hated so about something. There lies the routine. And they're like I like the structure definite. So did I tell you I had a bloke you read me off. And he was like no. Yeah they read. Your story is called. Ron Paul Edgy gone. He came out move to Italy. Whereabouts is not good broke. Salai the the country in and it was weird because we talked about Italy. Yeah and Suzanne go to Purulia which I thought was weird right okay. I don't know what else Clinton is poorly about it. So he stays thing that I was like. I is onto something a Steph. While we're hours he got that of all the things that he could have said. Tools is pre weighed in something that we do want to do and now now I'm sort of thinking to do a really want to because that's what I've always wanted what now. I'm at sort of almost taking advice of me. That was a weird thing that which came first bull I keep thinking about. Because he's like does he know what did they know that? I don't yeah but my so. That's that's always there every day when it's been like some I'm saying come on. Let's have a look online right move. What's the guy in Puglia as have a look and you find staffing but it's big moms and dads are still alive and you saw we move there? One of them get them. What do we do and do you know what I mean you? Come you never. I'll tell you what I'm on another bloke who called Daniel swallow on a keeping with him travels and he was a blow Q. Gave Mooney Right. Going to me. Got Fed up. It got fed up with life right honey. He was saying carpet depressed. There's too much pressure on you know. Life's all about you. GotTa make money. You gotTa make money money's down and all that and he just got to a point where he is. He's actually money not stressing everyone out and I think he said something like he had American. Any Ad Light I think. He said he had five dollars left in his pocket. It was even stressing him out what to do without last five dollars right so he just put it in a in a phonebox only put five dollars in the NFL. Really free. Say I've got no more money. So just everything goes to basics found money if found food and Benz. I mean you've got remember in America where there's a lot of waste. And he found that if you went around the back of a pizza place coal pieces that people had ordered and they're not picked up. We're putting the been so not scraps these alike rank still not even the one we found was stellar about warm and all it fine clothes in. Thumpers. It move around America so in the winter months ago to where it's warm in his car now he just lived in light. Woodson stuff because in America you can travel on a Boston next the now and it could hitchhike. People would give him money in. I don't think you have a bag. Were found that people when he told people are story sometimes they saw ago. There's some money to get from A to B. If he told them that it's gotten a boss did L. P. and he said there was always answers. There was still using money. No it was something right. It was something I never asked for it. But if it was offered he could take it right so he data strict set a roll out some rules. Yeah 'cause I was like well I'm GonNa you rely on and he's not really now if people wanted to help a now actually begged came to him and I was saying like I'm stressing. Now we're going to rely where we're going to get food from you worry. And he said the whole point of this way of life is. Don't worry because the answer will come like whatever problem you've got. It will saw sal foul and we live in a world where we worrying about the future and you might not even be in the future yet you worrying about a time. No pensions and stuff. Yeah it's like you might die before you even get to that pension age and there was something really free in about a really nice why. I've kept in touch with him because he's still it is still on the interesting thing is. That's why I was getting onto it. What did you say that is still used? Tell you what it was when I was saying if a move to Italy new mom and dad and all yeah and the thing is I emailed him recently and his whole thing was being free being free from stress on emailed him because he's got an email accounts use libraries and stuff. Free my only going to a library and Logan for free and he sent me back a message saying he's got to move back in with his mom because his dad died and she's really old. I don't think you mind me telling you this because it does blog and stuff as well to people who are interested in these wireline right. Yeah but I found interesting. Not there he is. I always thought it was a free man in the world and yet there's always something that's GonNa pull him back and he's out to do it because he sees is his mom on these days in person so you never. If you're you can't have that life of being totally free and I thought Yada so of me was lion. Maybe it's not. It's not possible there's always gonna be something that means you can't do what you. WanNa do but close to it. I really liked him. And that times when I'm fed up and like this went like this weather's been getting me down. Eakin just like jumping aground boss move and goats at west coast ever just move about see. Different things in the world moves we saw of the more money. You make you almost like Anki south down because you buy a house and you buy stuff to put in the house and before you know all this stuff is just holding you down. Do you know what I mean. So in a way I I've got I always saw. Would it be ever know what if you could survive in another one? I thought and so I've always goes no bad why there's something about that thing of just bean that people always say like living in the moment and all that don't they don't think alight. Ab- EXCITES ME. The idea of like where we're going to be next week. You don't know but we've got the freedom just let's go there. It's funny 'cause you're restless at the moment but you're also anchored it's horrible others and I think everyone's in nothing everybody's got a dream chasing for Bruce. Almost like it's how many people get it and people are happy when they get it. Everyone's messed up on them and they are always like listens to different people. And that's what's good about your podcast ear in some towns that don't know you talking to. I don't know some of these people when you hear the story and it's just interesting Aaron where people are with the life. And all our and stresses and you know all that stuff nature seems everybody's men all them and everyone's like loss. Start me a moment of just being lost but sometimes. I think that's all right because I think that's quite as part of the human condition that we're just put their hands up and go to you know I'm a bit lost and I don't really know what to do and I don't expect like you the moment going. I'm dead wrestlers. Kind of don't want to do anything. I want to do. Something in Buffalo. I need to do something. I don't know what it is. Yeah I know so that full. What we we overthinking to know. Do you think your overthinking this call. Because it seems something. That's quite weighing heavy on your mind at the moment. I'm well because you get one go at life. Don't union make sure you know wasting it. That's that's that's the thing I don't believe like you get another go and all you get this one. Go and I was watching Video the down Youtube Christopher hitchens really brainy bloke and sometimes I just like listen to brainy people clear. What's going on about sometimes but I I had my light the way they can just say what they think. And it's worded perfectly. Do you know. Generally Stephen Fry Types and all out via love. That when you look through our love to be Kristovich it. He's es es La on this video is before he died like a couple of weeks before he died there and it was only stage talking and he still had brain cancer. Not but he's Brian affected. His voice was a bit but it was so passionate about stuff he was talking about. And he's like right up close to death and yet you still like Levin what he was doing there so it makes you a watch and go shit. He's dying and look him is loving every minute and I'm paying and about a a maybe you know Susan's Ryan or whoever saying stop cleaning. I can do the cleaning but I need something else to make sure. I don't know I'm doing something worthwhile. I think I am kids. So it's not like an say look bringing up the kids and teaching them stuff. Do you know what I mean cow. She can't even see some tricks he's not like a dog. They just look at you. Don't so it's like. Why am I doing on the planet while I mean do we now? What kind of do that's the? That's the point that I'm out of the minute. I don't know what it meant to be doing. And these like I say these hitchens and all that crowd Stephen Fry with good brains. I think it's too late for can't get to where they are averages out something to you. I honestly a sleep at aecom as we start. I Dunno even if we are not the beginning but when you move talking about me and concentration level's as shit try and watch the news and takes often. Because he's like if you know what's going on in the world you know that stuff you power of the world should know what's going on around you talked about what's going on. It's too low to distractions. I got turn the radio off when I'm on the school runs. Why Because Milo Boycott and let distraction when he gets distracted very easily but it's more about content coming off this on first thing in the morning said select shows. Yeah Yeah I said why. Just been stabbed wise this murderer. What's the corona virus you listen to in the morning? It's not just when it comes on the news radio foursome if it's on radio for over some Radio sex they always have the news on and he just finds it really depend on garden. Actually just this is not kickoff. I used to light cerny off then people get Yukon. You shouldn't do that. 'cause it's not good to just do after explained to an hour. So what's going on in Washington the imagination so of blows so many things out impressed. He's listening to it because may I wouldn't be buying is a little elephant. I mean he will. I be whispering something over here to graph elephants. Forget only as big as cook or did they never forget the never forget. Google never forgot so we can hear everything that we hear everything they less sponge is everything like the other day missile. Go out afterwards. So I'm Kai bunking off school next week for a couple of days because we've got a few things article ch things to do business. Good and you know. I think you'll learn more at school. And he said so what you're gonNA walk in the day. What you're GONNA say just goes. I'm just GonNa you know I'm going to say Very well and you just. I'm just keeping for anyone. Like what exactly necessity don't work out. I'll just word the email in a way. That's kind of corona virus that usually A. Why did you tell them? I've got the corona virus and obviously impressive out from the radio and I said I said I can't read. I've got to keep the lie quite small and I can't really say it's not tell them I've got diarrhea without I'll shoot it down straightaway as if that's an option but also does it. Just leave it with me but again heard everything about the crow virus and he was having a trip actually at the time recorded now as in Italy is in Rome and this choice sodas emroe not an amazing place. Yeah exactly so. He's doing all beautiful things that I've just been sent some photos and videos but the day before he was flying took him out for lunch and we just tolkien and he was saying. Oh woman says we've got a lot of hand washing all Latin mass on for the play and he's got right Freetown about the plane. Lucrative is certainly shut down. No because I've heard all about it on the radio about Corona virus and people that I don't WANNA go andy. Reid doggies heels aid. I don't WanNa go when I was started to get paranoid. That was going to freak out about it. So so no in stuff. Likely sitting on the tally. Because we don't really have when he asks the tally on his time to watch off Arizona. The New Orleans not watching BBC news twenty four. Whatever so he's got that from the radiology and he's Little Mind. Joyce he's taken in. Because I like I say I was saying. He's not thinking about a watch the news. I'm trying to eight so account just chip me as off. I should know you know what I mean. I'M GETTING OLD BOUGHT STRUGGLE. All the time of you know this. Just a distraction or something going on in the ad though even the news on the. Telly doesn't make it easy for you. In the way that I never used to be like I don't use it was but about thing on the news of you. Love Woods telling you stuff but these these people fucking background business business g going on here and that for me is text me way off. What you saying you see some blow you can see a style. Is Finishing his shift at the Rock on? Its own sometimes rucksack. And he's picking up his like Coffee Cup thing same goodbye and I'm watching and I don't who decide wise. Why is it a class war? Why isn't that never used to be? I was just a black thing and now and again. I had a picture on the left of the next new story. Wherever but we we constantly is like these. These already enough distractions without seeing Chris. Finish shift or whatever. And it's a stuff like that are com- Akon just focus of. I'm doing this thing where I'll repeat if the news readers saying the story I'll repeat in head of e saying to keep votes and he's like nothing's in this definitely going to go in and I'm repeating Alps a little bit but he's hard work is really. This is tiring of working like this about turning the color all the way down and then just the sound of the news so then. We don't have the distractions of the backdrop. Oh he put subtitles on. Then you just files focus on the subtitles subtitles Trying to think of a solution to this right now I mean it's annoying Annette really going to tell them. No no no no. She's only doing a job struck me as kind of a nice way. He'll be finished in a minute. Really loud high just bothering me bought. He's all is all. I'm trying I'm talking about Stephen Fry. I'd love that book. We know all at the same old same brain trying to make the best of what you've got. We'll everything will be a bit boring if it were. Yeah and the world would work you do after I've diff- kids in ut brain people and a lot just mixing it up and all star tastes is important. I know I know that's been the other problem the change because I've changed. Think over the years because of the different jobs you constantly change in like your every seven years or something you like a different person because you cells changing. That's why a lot relationships and after seven years because of a different person Wait our lie people. Listen to the old podcast used to do you know ricky and Steve or Idi abroad and Olah as me. Try Do something different but people. I prefer that do more of that. And he's not I'm not I'm not done an also not doing it. For with all due respect modern it for you I know we can. You cannot say what she called it but in a way you'd look everything from milk round. Do around they'll play on the paper around right through till the radio stuff then the podcast of then. They're traveling low to sort of bring a sold difference. So there's been a constant sir and people don't want you to is like they look at me like I'm homer. Simpson is something that is the thing that does age Jenin main sustain that box home home for home it was real. It probably be all right by now. You know what I mean. The kids will have grown up. It different life with marge is brain would have changed. It changes his person. But it doesn't change in the Springfield world because it's a cartoon and I think people look at me like he's like they more of ice and that way I couldn't I couldn't even if I wanted to. I'm not personally because he's twenty years old ten years old. I don't know what you were like ten years ago but I don't have changed a bit because you do. Don't you very different I would? I mean actually. I've thought about that especially over the last year and yeah definitely have because sometimes for the worst sometimes for the bad things just thing for the BA is. Is that when you do get less as you get older? Do you become a bit anyways. And as much as you try not to be in China be open minded. You do get a bit kind of our. Don't lie. I don't WanNa try that Suzanne's got some new things. I'm always a little bit worried about training. You know what I just said. I'm talking small things I mean I. I was in Marrakesh couple of weeks ago. Which is under the little short break. How'd you find Marcus? Because that's quite on as rarely four. Go in the Squire Medina. Yeah so the data I said to US and law. I'm all for Best Song because this VAC IS A. Why is it so loud? Someone's dry runs. That makes it so loud for the back. Don't tell him obviously quality just Z. Sorry I am just open that. It's not a big all out into so anyway marquette cash I said Suzanne I said lot. Lp Nice to get some sonar. I might go away only for a few nights so we need a best on OPEC. Marrakesh she'd had. Yeah because he's not that far and it was guaranteed so anyway I was nice enough votes L. I said look it'll be like Egypt's I've been so Egypt as a pain in the ASS is not restful it's full on people grabbing you in all our. I remember like being aged filming house lie. I'm not familiar so we went on. I said let's not go out that much. Let's just enjoy that little room and have some Nice Food said Yeah Yeah. Anyway we got there and she said I have booked a day out shit hours. Lie You're telling me now because I need time to get used to the idea anyway. Maybe she was just way into sea. Issue tells me too much in one go. She knows all. Let's not go anywhere where she knows that if she kind of like right it'll be fine. We'll get on the plane and that will be all right. You'll get there and we'll be picked up. We find them once. We there is like she breaks news off so anyway so she was like Yawkey. Enjoy going yet. Good the psalms out brilliant and enjoy my own. These tasty breads and I'm gonNA drink and she was like we got spa alike. Ask about back and I rarely Dave I would have thought you'd have been a walls up first and then adequately Paul and I was like what was worried about. This is lovely this because I've got about back as well so I always feel really nice. I've like Salt Scrub Ham. Oh mom awesome. That's what they do. In North Africa. I think assault on a door but in that's what it was right so you strip down down to now. Yeah no I think I'd let them so lots more nap time again. Yeah it was in the Atlas Mountains. We've been tracking around mountains on a lot so they don't keep very painful blisters. Only four old day off and on on on a donkey it was it was terrifying at times. I'M NOT GONNA lie. All Hope. Bakes and swearing. And now you can blister and then one into this room and you kinda got hosed down and just solve like batted and how hard it is a ham. Yeah I was quite rough. I'm going to show this mortar than that. But yeah rates fall on. You walked two ways. You kind of saw relax the muscles again. I'm a novice and I'm not as educated of Hamam as I should say. That was my experience from it anyway. Going SALT group so assault scrub and all I just saw cleaned you out of it and you know she's relaxing but anyway so I liked a lot and she was like yeah boxes a day out of miles. I wall not no not not full day. After Day. We got sore guide. I was like How many officers should I know? Just a blow on his own new to to not bad. That's not into all out. Follow the umbrella guide and all that show so make friends on the on the where are you from getting so anyway with him and it was all right for when in and out of a few mosques cash yeah not religious but when you're all day he get taken round churches and mosques not only as a lot. I never look at these Madonna. Why we spend in a day looking at now but let's go with as day out and then he Texas into the market and sold me. This man comment made my friend. Who MAKES CARPETS HOURS LIE? We go we go on. Suzanne's don't be rude being rude but we didn't call me to buy a fucking carpet carpet and we're in this place making a carpet. We've got things making a carpet with some woman. And he's going all these copies made and he's like no being funny man. You got about twenty thousand. I don't I don't believe so on the show Gerald. Look how many kinds can copy wilderness and ise wife and he's like this bullshit is absolutely. This is bullshit anyway. He's GonNa pay one. Nobody don't get pressured because we told him. I was really honest at the beginning. I'm going just so you know. Air Tobia carpet. And she's going. Don't be rude. I'M GOING NOVA. Some point is we're going to have to tell them we don't want once or just want to show of goes they're not buying one. Let's not waste our time. He's kind of like that's fine Brigham. Let's let's go whilst you can try and solve so we we did that and I was like that's not but he carried on and like I said in the end he's like make him one and the fellow was going no pressure no pressure. You don't have to buy one of those going after already. Sold them nope not buying one. Definitely buying lovely and everything lovely copies William coming for a carpet. And he went from there into a shop where they made wooden boxes and all this stuff and it's just like I said to. The blow said no more shops almost shops news going east. How culture and Susan's going you being rude. And he's not thinking of why he's being honest being rude. We're in place at the minute where I was. I wasn't being rude. What we're saying is I don't want anymore of this. So if there's nothing else to say away from markets let's go now. I'M NOT GONNA ask for any money back but I don't shop at home a US Amazon. So this thing of walking on a market and then what really pissed me off. Which is what they do over there. And what say if a take that. Say ANYTHING HERE ABOUT MARRAKESH. People listening if you go. Don't give money to them. People who I've live animals on chains and shit and this law that there's a Lotta spent the next day E. Mailing animal is a spanner and another one calls. Selene email and say in can't do anything about this cruelty stuff because he was monkeys on change when you back and he's trying to get you picture for Monday and I was like I don't really sly like Chit with honestly. It really gets me down so sending emails and add emails back from these charities. Say always is the culture and he's kind of like well that is good isn't good culture to keep going with England. You start angering the pile of our culture but we don't do it anymore because we really is not that great so get rid of that. And I'm guaranteed that tourists would have is time not seeing this and there were I mean. I don't know if I make any difference if anything podcast today. Just don't give these people money because if people don't give him money than not my end so these these other ways money out babble. We can reach some our eat hoping respectful of other people's culture but one faxes in that way. Yeah it's not it's not good it's just you know he's also saying well you know that bowl fi is power that culture. I don't WanNa say now. Most people don't want to say that cruelty I keep hearing different. Things are. Let's tell our podcast one the other day about so one sane because I've caught back on me recently got a bit flexible -tarian because I heard things about our meets biden those cruelty Noah and then you listened to another podcast and someone's going year boys better to we. Akao them fish because a cow is big and that will feed more people than one fish and he's like is pretty art. Know what the right thing is to do these days and then argument for everything but these never a good argument for cruelty. Now you know what I mean. It's just there's nothing you can say saying it's about culture. Don't get rid of it. 'cause he's a bit Bob Culture Shades of what we've always done. It is par spot the culture and it's so historic and we forget it will change. Yeah as you said on after only based off onion. Yeah Yeah we stop it was. It was fine for bit but now we've realized it's not it's not let go so yes. I'll spend the next sort of like aside day sending a few emails about and then it was the gun around the shops after the show. And then the bloke apologized the about a shops and I was like look. Don't apologize. He's fine. Book is not what what we wanted we cost. What's the caller if the city and all our shops shops and I don't know how many like Sundell shops and stuff they've got but I don't know how they make money because he's like if you are a pair of sandals are asunder stall but you go down a couple shops and he's like three thousand more sandals and stuff it's like why aren't they talking to each other and saying cool together or you you sell them or one big one get together but it was not in pots. Metal Teapots Snot. Don't want any of this and so we didn't go again. Do you go back into the Medina at night with mental ill changes to what it becomes a huge restaurant with lots of different stalls so all the daytime all that the salads and the monkeys on China all goes and income all the food stalls just like one big sort of flow in restaurant in the middle of this Medina only take together in order than if you just take a Moroccan straightforward type of thing. I think just out of more authority be even worse because that's when all the tourists row thought it'd be monkeys everywhere and bears downside. Do you know what I mean. I just don't WanNa Sa- rarely does get me down is like a car. Think of anything else for a bit and then you feel bad going because you think I'm just I just put money into this place that I don't know it just bothered me. I was like I don't think I'd go there again because all the problem. Yeah I don't know why we even got onto the all the just shine man in a way. Do you come back. Fading recharged will be glad to get back good. Today I suppose different different Jeff again for Suzanne. Because I know she likes to go away. She'd go way more won't for me and if so about guard away by yourself call for a long weekend trying to think of something. I don't WanNa put in the category of well. Yeah without a phone I just go in my life. I went last year at Copenhagen. Told you that for Tyler short break in in this place that I walked from the hotels buying hours literally walk and Copenhagen's beautiful lovely going to sauna says big of they'll saw wasn't anybody that so it's sewn it macaroni mega often. He's trying to stay there as long as you can. Then you come out. Walked on this jetty. Then you just jump into the river deep and it's called. And then he got out he back into the soil and he kind of repeat exercise. And then you look over to the right as little. Greenhouse in the chef cooking is fresh fashion. He got a in these cell. The jets used to do that for. I'm just telling you I was quite. I suppose quite open to it but I never thought about it before. They won't really be something that I would do. I really enjoyed it and did you. Did you know when you when I went to Copenhagen either totally different experience? It was an old woman in McDonalds. Certain corner really old woman legs opennow Nickerson and it was horrible. It was on a stick swimming and I'm pretty sure that was Copenhagen. Well in what would your experience. Yeah you know that's what you go in there. A dead because the director I was working with was from Copenhagen and I was telling you kind of need I want something. I don't know what I want but I want to go away. And she went the Copenhagen said. Now there's a place that does this and it's dead nuys and it won't be as popular as if he's dead. Busy don't gain to a Sauna. Like reloaded fellow. Summer lesser just loads of people full. Stop because I kind of just WANNA best price and if you're gonNA do something that I just kind of want to. I want to be my yes. I don't WanNa be sat with. Ap typical talking to those things. I don't know the rules. Just lock. Now Lock the door as mine. I mean I mean if fourteen minutes now after say McDonalds and Copenhagen two years ago and I was like I say I've changed then it was kind of I. Mean Coke Copenhagen was the food like airbase bless Donald. Was that type of person who was scared of change and everything and that does I mean. The whole abroad often a lot. Lot Travel Steve. What it means to do to broaden my mind and it definitely because that was me before that's what I was like there's a Madonna as the Golden Golden Arches. Donald J. You know that was that was me. Well that's it that was me whereas now do I suppose I have changed? Maybe I could go. Copenhagen again but I've been off because I'm thinking been there and I'm thinking of that woman was I always saw the flies out of the kitchen where it was. I've never forgotten. I mean it was a sorry. It was something I've got other memory of it and all holidays about memories aren't whether good or bad or suppose so I've got hurt anyway. I think he'd be weird from its ago. Well me on just because lawsuits undoing. Does she go around as well? Then we meet somewhere in the middle. It's not I'm not. I'm just purely thinking about you into doing something different and something slightly your comfort zone trying to think about what we first start talking about about being gone. I need to do so God someone sometimes you've got to take yourself away. Remove yourself from a certain situation to Clara and see what's what I think of all the answers. I'M NOT STEPHEN. Fry Christopher Hitchens. They've probably of all the answers. I doubt they got more words to think about yet. I don't know it'll be interesting. Do you ever have people on this? Like three times. This could be seven up. You're not program what you catch up and see what what's happened. I don't I don't know what's around the corner. We'll move to Italy. What were any work planned out the mini at so of that fifty minutes thing is that up? I mean the old well that's constant in because it was constant. Think about that as time is due to sort of you know. You can't just keep going but you're not you're constantly kind of evolving then you're not allow to evolve if only don't want you to listen to people. You're obviously haven't listened to paper because you've been changing things all I know but maybe maybe now I've got arrived on a few different things. What is it I'm going to do? Are there may be other. Pick a mix you know. He's going to have a favorite in that picking mix box. They'll forrest gump thing last boxes chocolate. You still going to have a favorite chocolate in that box of chocolates and I do think the problem. I've always the things at different and for some people it's been too much of a leap and they get confused so people who watch listen to me on the podcast or watch the travel stuff and then I did secretary. Dvd's out now by the way. That's why I thought do this promote DVD. You'd have to mention it again. Let's listen tab of what to do it. Well people alike on the same. It's not same is not now. Of course it's not noble you count. You're not allowed to move about. Does that straight? Yeah really pisses me off because like I say I am changing. Go out something. New by the end of the day is the people who he saw. The you found a server who watch the stuff it watch the stuff so you can't just do what you want can you. You've gotta like stick close to what your bill. Unfortunately and the the R right when you change. You can only do little changes. Suppose suppose that. The podcast of the travel thing was saw of similar bought. The next leap is like and I tell you. We're talking about VACs before eight. James dyson yeah. If you think about 'em is the vacuum and as is the that money's an. He thought he had a change recently. Even from the socking blowing no. He went from the vox and now he's moved into air dryers pretty same so he's talking is moving to blow in pretty sustained thing and people except when he brought out the Hairdryer. It made sense to them. There's a trust there this is. The vakman was known as the back Monday. Good vox what's he doing now? Issues the Batman. What is what's he doing. He's doing something new. Always hairdryers are still. He still is electric. There so they believe they. Do you know what I mean. The trust is keeping in the same ballpark. Yes if he brought out popcorn machine go get back to get back to talking the blue. We wanted to go on this lease so out Craig. He's out and thus the minute as kind of like at quite WanNa do something. You know that people are going to be going to do that again. So all right well do that again. Because I've done it and have changed. So maybe I've just got to stop. I've maybe I've just gotTa go me. Fifteen minutes is up if we've already established const up because you've gotta do somethin' and find out what the reason anything. There isn't anything out this moment in time. Got Me Origami a maybe. It's not worked create. Maybe works dried up. Maybe I've just got to do something but the thing is you've more or less always create your own work really anyway and I nope. Maybe maybe that's it. Maybe I've I've built everything dry of what I can do. Because I'm not a keeps cropping up Stephen Fry or wherever ACCAN- account do anything I'm even limited georing promotion and all that do you ever after. Yup. I was thinking about it because I heard you during the promotion series to your actually no because I remember. She didn't really like it during the first. Here's the thing about US promotion. You kind of talk about it a little bit. And then he goes off on another tangent which is Great. Because you feel more comfortable. Not then then. I'm told don't do that. You talk about Y- yeah yes like because you've got a nice history. Yes Oh it was nice. It's just it's just John. He pulled out a big part of the job now. No I don't do social media so if you can't promote what you do people are kind of like. Do you want him to do anything new. Because he doesn't really promote I. I can't put stuff out there. And they find it but he's so much stuff now that if you not some gop shy who never shows the folk on social media then you don't stand a chance because no one knows you've even done anything off the time do you think is just saturated. So it's just not the world different. Everything is on demand and so much of it that out. Does anyone know I'm doing but the way we talk about changing a lot over seven to ten years no lot the way we consume telling different completely changed now? No one's gone. I'm going out but I'm going to tape it and then I wanNA come back right. It's on the list list of things I'm going to think about before that before typing when he's like you know Thursday night Dali Jr. It was everybody was. I wasn't a big. You know what I mean not tonight but those things those coined the phrase war or cola moments that there are a thing of the past. Now I don't no no one's altogether watching it and there's no there's no twenty five million people watching eight just spread out so accom- yeah I can. I'm not good at that side of it and I think that is part that GIG. These days you don't feel settled second time around though now come do honestly say can you go on shows and stuff and you know. I like this. We sat in a room. We're having a shower. Didn't know audience on this morning. This morning was hours that that's not bad because I've been on their law and they're always a decent and there's not loads of people can't do anything with the crowd. I cannot do a crowd and I don't even know why there is a crowd to these because I think in fact you've don't chance in front of the Jew thing when you do a chat with someone in front of a crowd do you think he's as good as when he's not deny us to find it quite uncomfortable. Because I've used to fail. I'm I'm on my focus. Is there to lie while the host there but then I've got this loads of people out there watching. I don't really know what to apply. Airdrop lay out. I just WANNA I just WANNA stop. I don't like and nothing's no show is real anymore. Seems all about laugh. So all about getting to laugh. Graham Norton massive. Show everything but he's kind of what's your anecdote this week. You never the old days of Parkinson when it was a chart here. That doesn't happen. Tony Style. Same thing quite early brief could be quite serious and was in audience. Logan wasn't old navy. Now if the audience is like the data we and there was an audience on park is well if it was again as you sign about change completely different style of show. Yeah to like something you know. Even I mean there's an audience for the one show but I mean now he sold is kind of right. Thanks combing you. Got Two minutes tells. A funny story all sank down now. Yeah I don't I don't care so I can't do that sort of thing. But did he fail? More settled filmon series. Two than you did to say he's never settled. And maybe you shouldn't be settled. People have told me that you shouldn't be comfortable. You should always be on edge so you get the best out of your Limbaugh Otto now. I wish I could enjoy some of it when we weren't film and it was worrying about in the next scene when we finish that day. I'm worrying about the next day stuff when I'm doing it. I'm worrying if it's good enough if he's making sense and because you've got that chance to can we do it again. Can we do it again? You into again. There's no time wherever. So he's yeah. I honestly driving air today. I was thinking what a big fan of southern Griffin. When when when you for you to not big Fun of Light Challenge Challenge. Tv Love Watching Bullseye. I was like you could do something. Like Bullseye. Could Bring Bullseye Code. And then it was like but I don't want the live audience. There does does not program after our F- a live audience the therefore going back to change again that did of a live audience. Let's audience been the audience off Cape cheaper anyway because you don't need a big studio donate a warm up. You don't need a warm up. You don't need maybe. Even people will be bad at the dance because they haven't got a crowd of fifty people watching. There's no need I don't understand a TV shows. I've audiences now. I don't know why the their empire annoyances because I'm going to show if they want an audience because he's point me off tipping point hasn't gone audience as now just Ben Shepard. The three or four people put a well dawn. You've once and Grand Jones next time you don't need. Yeah but if you still have can laughter on the set comes exactly so get rid of the audience conned audience. Well forget we didn't we decide don't even have a audience and the one that at four. I don't know that feel comfortable. Donate look when you watch bull's eye and some wins the fucking caravan go well Don. I don't need sway fifty people. He's he doesn't need. It doesn't ease over the moon so we don't need other people clapping for Iran. Right okay so we've been the audience off been the audience. They've got questions on this and other audience PA if not all it can do. Everybody's audience our home. You want to ask questions so the audience on the twitter and facebook. Why in the audience and some people don't even get answered. They sit there all night. Ask a question. And Fiona Bruce goes yes good point thanks for that. I knew blow dungarees and the glasses. True wh what was he there for doing things on social media that questions are going to be very limited because there's only a certain amount of space that they can ask the question but then again you're going to go back to me about the email Craig O. And how much time he's wasted with clapping being gave me just doing audience. His in general go tell me what show needs an audience. I found out there the dice speaking of audience. Warm up show university challenge. Used to have a warm-up Munn audience warm a warmer since the start of a hype up the audience for university challenge of all shows. Don't get I don't talk because they are not going out for anyone about when whether they still do is another. Ma bought a dune out. Know Ted Robbins dummy tad along Walnut Manfred. University Challenge. Tough crowd as well off crowd. The things that people don't know is he's actually really really smart. Oh is he. Yeah so as soon as the east. I tend to turn the tables on the audience. David looked at him will not need it anyway. Because that's can only connect does not an audience doesn't like university challenge out questions if you're thinking about answered you want someone coughing. Maybe the audience in your off get rid of audiences so do do. Bullseye will buy new game show brand new risk a risky some of them. Have you ever since some of the daytime that you just stumbled watching though too that shit? Which one are you talking to us? O One once. I was in a hotel come back. I'm just GONNA think splits us on just trying to get to sleep. Talion always a bad move and there was one about Boland. The ODDS ARE SOLD BOWL. So you can't play along omen known as well unless you've got a pointless now alike ally detecting part thing. Tipping point is good and quick partners have an audience. The Mike it a why you do know honestly at a non to be honest and I tell you I don't like it. I know it's on because it's on after on seeks road trip every night and musically starts. I always say like five seconds of music because it's not even as they felt like Oh. I'm not in that time. I actually go. I'll be waiting to turn the fun of it but in mind. These are the one you did. House of House of cards is it Richard. Osman I haven't seen it house game all right but anyway we just telling Telliano. The point is about those without an audience. That's the point. Carl I reckon. Did you like bulls eye of course a group of Bullseye? You remember bulls eye right for those. Who didn't know soles I call? Let'S GIVE A QUICK SYNOPSIS A Quick Synopsis. Of what a Sensei? Same show Jimbo in it was it was a Dr Bald. Two of you got invited. On an Watson was one one was what was the thrower at one wall was the Noah used knowledge. So a man you throw try and get the most saw points round the dartboard nervous scored the most got to answer the question and then points make prize. You sought the pounds the town. That's else but cards. Right was points. Nobody nobody was still still. I'm sure it was Bob. Dole's don't cross the streams of constantly constantly shop the black doing as you H H. That's right yeah a closer catchphrases but the point is get rid of all that shit because there's no audience to play too and I think that was the problem Jim or his catchphrases for his for live audience to keep them happy because he was an old school. Tanner really yeah and the audience to it was all people in there. Were there for about three days to fill zones and then and just after quiz. They're not going to change. It is not going to happen. But that's how that's how my brain works. What do I am not saw a thing? Do I even want to do it? I Love Bullseye bought. Just because you watch something doesn't mean you WANNA present Auden. Ochre does do a pilot call not committed no committed. You know you can be like well op. I'm glad we've sort of come full circle. I think we should go with this idea to fill a bit but now I'm excited about go on the I take it that easy as well. You Watch these things that easy. You just have a little bit of Charter Star. What did you do for a living? You got versions enjoy that they do. You have a little chat and you just get on and you know and play to the crowd carver. Not and you don't have to pretend you got it if they lose either. Because you know you've gotta you gotTa go. GotTa go is what you could've won. Never Mind You keep the copyrights soon knows Craig Thomas. Who knows what we'll see what happens in part three car for two. Thanks for some reason to leave. The currency comes to a nice hotel. Yeah we'll take my love to say he's like learn and episode is done and what an episode did enjoy our was. 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UFOs and the Mirage Men Pt. 2

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UFOs and the Mirage Men Pt. 2

"In, two thousand twelve Mark Pilkington checked into the Sheraton Hotel in Phoenix Arizona the location for the yearly International Congress on UFO's. But the UFOLOGIST didn't have much time to sleep. He was too busy shooting documentary. The project was an expansion of his book, Mirage men, and in venture into paranoia espionage, psychological warfare, and ufo's he'd written about how mysterious government agents called. Mirage men used disinformation surveillance and infiltration to control and confused the UFO community for decades. Now Pilkington was gathering first hand interviews from the people who lived it, and his most important subject was on his way. Pilkington tried a few different camera angles in the small room. One of his assistance sat in to witness history. Pilkington made sure the lighting was set up. Just right. He tripled check that his cameras and microphones were fully operational and then. Showtime Pilkington opened the door and welcomed his prize subject. It was none other than the original Mirage man himself former air. Force Office of Special Investigations. Special Agent Richard Doty. Ready to tell his side of the story. Welcome to unexplained mysteries apart cast original I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much. We don't know. But in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer, every Tuesday and Thursday we investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on. Earth? You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify, just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar. This is our second episode on the men in black and the Mirage man mysterious government agents who interfere in the lives of civilian witnesses to alien activity. Last episode, we discussed the history of both organizations beginning in the nineteen forties the men in black reportedly used intimidation tactics to silence anyone with knowledge of alien activity in the late nineteen seventies, their strategy shifted they. Align themselves with UFOLOGISTS in order to infiltrate the community and wage disinformation campaigns this shifty approach earned them the nickname Mirage men. This episode will examine some popular theories surrounding the men in black and Mirage, men some ufologists believe the United States government has been allied with intergalactic species for decades and the men in black and Mirage, men have worked to cover up the truth. Don't believe it. You're not alone but skeptics of photos and alien activity have their own theories about the organizations. Some believe the men in black and Mirage men perpetuated lies about aliens to distract citizens from an equally deadly but more earthbound threat. Top secret explosive military technology. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. Renowned Astronomer Carl Sagan once described the global nuclear arms race as two sworn enemies standing waist deep in gasoline one with three matches. The other with five. He wasn't drawn at the beginning of the Cold War in the late forties and early fifties. American. Citizens stood waist deep in the same gasoline leaders but they were without matches. They could only hold their breath in wait to see whether the USA or USSR set the world on fire I death lurked around every corner. Earth's future was uncertain. So people around the world turned their attention to the stars for relief especially in the United States. During this period American pop culture experienced an obsession with anything related to space or extraterrestrials. Civilian UFO sightings surged accordingly. In January nineteen, fifty to the C. I. A. responded to the country's ufo mania. They gathered a group of relevant experts such as astronomers engineers to discuss and review the Air Force's prior investigations into unidentified flying objects headed by astrophysicist Howard p Robertson, it became known as the Robertson panel over the course of four days. The Robertson panel reached a consensus that the majority of alleged ufo sightings could be attributed to public hysteria. The report concluded that there was no evidence of a direct threat to national security in the object cited. Furthermore. There was no evidence that related. The object cited to space travelers. The panel recommended that the government take immediate action to debunk the fallacious stories about UFO's in the media and strip them of their aura of mystery. In addition, they recommended that the United States keep an eye on civilians who spread information about UFO's or your claimed to have witnessed citing themselves. However, some ufologists believed the Robertson panel came to a different conclusion. That UFO's work all too real. Their recommendation to discredit ufo reports as fake news wasn't a battle for truth. It was a sinister cover up. If. The Robertson panel did lie about its conclusions on ufo's this deception provides a possible connection between the men in black and the US government. The shadowy agents were deployed to suppress the truth about extraterrestrials. But it doesn't explain why there were so afraid of letting the world know about its intergalactic neighbors. Luckily, there are hundreds of alleged men in black encounters to draw conclusions from and when examined as a whole a number of odd patterns emerge I most people said, the men in black arrived at the scene of a ufo citing less than twenty four hours after it occurred. Usually, they materialized before the witnesses even shared their stories with more than a handful of people. As we mentioned last episode Harold Doll the first man to report an interaction with the men in black in nineteen forty seven was shocked when a stranger turned up on his doorstep to discuss flying saucers. He had only spotted the six flying donut shape vessels the day before second most accounts describe the men in black as having a hair-raising sinister aura. Invariably the agents spoke with a cold flat affect often their voices were described as mechanical third the men in black's appearances were frequently described as unusual. unnaturally. Pale. Tall and hairless. If they arrived in pairs or groups, witnesses describe them as on Kenley identical in their dress and physical attributes in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, physician Doctor Herbert Hopkins described the agent that arrived on his doorstep as having Pale facial features that look like plastic except for a pair of Blood Red Lips, the stories have led some to wonder whether the men in black have less in common with the Mirage men than they originally thought. One of the leading theories is that the men in black wearing people hiding the existence of aliens but aliens trying to stay hidden from people. and. This conclusion isn't just based on second hand accounts. Although the majority of men in black encounters occurred before the seventies they resurfaced in two, thousand and eight. And they were caught on tape. In October, two, thousand, eight, a manager, and a security guard of a hotel near Niagara. Falls both reportedly saw would appear to be a massive triangular ufo hovering in the sky. After a few minutes of stasis. The ship disappeared beyond the western horizon without a trace not long after two men in matching black suits and hats entered the hotel lobby unannounced and they weren't looking to spend the night security cameras captured the two men's arrival. Video. Footage showed them sweeping through the automatic entrance doors both remarkably tall with unnaturally Pale. The clerk who interacted with them claimed that they appeared to be identical. She assumed they were twins. The two men asked to speak with a manager and security guard. The ones who had witnessed the alleged. UFO. But when the clerk informed the man that neither witness was presently at the hotel, the agents didn't seem to buy it. According to the desk worker they appeared singularly focused on finding their quarry instead of leaving the agents questioned other staff members, another employee claim they had no eyebrows or eyelashes their hairlines beneath their hats looked fake while interacting with them. This employee became transfixed by their large blue eyes and lost track of what they were saying. Later, she reported to her manager that she felt hypnotized like they were reading her mind after questioning every staffer, they could find they left and never return. UFOLOGIST consider the two, thousand, eight encounter a breakthrough the first hard evidence that the men in black definitely exist. But it wasn't enough to sway the skeptics. They didn't consider the footage of the too tall suited men entering a hotel to be anything unusual and they dismissed the employees testimonies as salacious gossip bait for unfounded conspiracies though the stories about men in black are remarkably similar it's impossible to know whether they're real. Some equate the stories to game of telephone. Each alleged witness just added slight variations to the last person's lies ultimately until governmental paperwork emerges about their budget or an agent steps out from the shadows to tell their story, the men in black will remain an unknowable mystery Mirage men on the other hand are a different story in two thousand, twelve, one of them stepped forward to share his experience as an agent. Coming. Up. Mirage men unmask themselves. Hi It's Richard. Ready to hear about my new favorite spotify original from podcast. It's called very presidential with Ashley Flowers and it uncovers the most damning details. 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Community accounts describe these mysterious agents as threatening, Eerie and supernatural possibly even aliens than. In contrast since the seventies Mirage men have been associated with the mundane bureaucracy paperwork and data. But. As we mentioned in the last episode, they dealt in disinformation because of that, their ultimate goal has always been difficult to unpack. They funded some ufologists while feeding others false information they collaborated with some and undermined others. They towed the line between ally and enemy hot and cold jekyll and Hyde but in two thousand, twelve documentarian. Mark. Pilkington landed in interview that allowed the world to finally peek behind the curtain of the elusive Mirage man. For unknown reasons, special agent and Mirage, man Richard, doty decided to go public with his side of the story. He spent his career with the United. States Air Force Office of special investigation abbreviated airforce SL on camera doty was a slight unremarkable looking man with a receding hairline enlarge metallic glasses straight out of the eighties. But, his unassuming appearance reflected the nature of his work. It was deceptive Bob Durant a former pilot and ufologist to appeared alongside doty in the film described. DOTY. As a professional misinform are trained to lie according to Durant. All of DOTY's words had to be taken with a grain of salt but Pilkington's film allow the audience to decide for themselves. It gave doty the opportunity to share his side of Paul Benowitz as tragic story in the years leading up to nineteen, seventy-nine hall, Benowitz recorded strange lights and sounds coming from the Kirtland Air Force Base. He lived right outside the base in the hills of Albuquerque New Mexico at the time his company thunder scientific was under contract with both NASA and the Air Force. After witnessing the bizarre lights on a number of occasions. Benowitz. Finally reached out to the Kirtland Air Force Base with his compiled evidence. Airforce. I handled Benowitz inquiry and assigned his case special agent Richard Doty during their first meeting. Dodi's genuine interest in the unusual activity struck Benowitz he hadn't expected to be taken so seriously. According to doty he was genuinely interested but he had an agenda Dodie curated his attentive demeanor to put Benowitz at ease. The agent didn't want Benowitz to withhold any information. Dodie needed Benowitz to trust him if Dodie succeeded Benowitz would consider him an ally and entrusted him with all his future discoveries. The CON was laughably easy. Benowitz was by nature unguarded. He never stood a chance the engineer shared everything he had. In their first meeting, Benowitz didn't present any information that doty didn't already know the problem was civilians weren't supposed to observe let alone record any of the events Benowitz tracked with his equipment. It was a top secret classified project. Of course Benowitz had no idea that was the case. He thought he was observing a potential threat to the base. But from DOTY's perspective, the threat wasn't aliens. It was Benowitz insight after their first interaction doty superior determined that Benowitz wasn't doing anything untoward with his investigation into the peculiar happenings at the base. He was openly patriotic with a squeaky clean record. But if he discovered anything more about the project, Benowitz might pose a serious threat to national. Security. Not, to mention if Benowitz could gather information on their most classified projects, the Soviets could to in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine cold war tensions between the USSR America soared the threat of nuclear war was at its highest since the Cuban missile crisis more than a decade earlier, the Air Force decided they needed together more Intel about benowitz reconnaissance methods. So, instead of reprimanding him, they encouraged him to continue investigating, but they couldn't tell him the truth instead they created an elaborate fiction. In his interview Dodie told Pilkington that he planted the seed in Benowitz mind that what he was seeing and what he was hearing and collecting was in fact, U. F. O.'s once Benowitz thought that he was chasing aliens his investment in the investigation deepened. Dodie later arranged for Benowitz to give a presentation to dodie superiors at Kirtland Air Force Base. Everyone in the room. Knew about the ruse except for Benowitz. He thought he was delivering crucial intelligence about alien activity in reality Benowitz was elaborate. Air Force officials used him to extract information about his remarkable surveillance methods. The only person who needed to impress the air force brass was special agent doty. and. He succeeded the meeting proved that dodie could control benowitz afterward, the airforce gave dodie clearance to continue his surveillance on camera doty displayed chilling modesty about his control of Benowitz. The Mirage man said, it was very easy to convince Paul he's a World War Two veterans. He's very patriotic. Those kinds of people you can convince of anything. There's controversy over how Benowitz investigation moved forward after his presentation. doty insinuated the Benowitz research lent him up to archie let a Mesa where Benowitz believed he saw bona fide you're four wreckage however author Greg Busy wrote a book about Benowitz his experience with dody and the air force, and he told a different story bishop claimed that Benowitz his first exposure to archer letter Mesa occurred when doty arranged a flight over the area in an Air Force helicopter according to Bishop Dody and Air Force S, I stage the UFO wreckage with various machinery and materials they had on hand doty meant for the trip to Pique Benowitz, his interest so that he could focus his investigation on the Mesa. Possibly to divert his attention away from projects back at the base Dodi's conflicting testimonies stated that Benowitz his focus on archer. Let Mesa, actually troubled the air force and what Benowitz saw on the Mesa wasn't staged the engineer happened upon so-called secretive military installation that was training commandos. It's not clear which story can or should be believed. But if the Air Force did take issue with Paul's investigation at Archer let Emesa they theoretically could have redirected his attention to a more neutral area. They had the resources and as dody himself stated, Benowitz was easy to control at the same time bishops story about stage props raises questions about how they prepared display without attracting undue attention from other curious UFOLOGISTS. Regardless, both stories agree on what happened next. While flying over the articulate EMESA in his personal plane benowitz spotted and mother rack, and he photographed it dody and bishops accounts agreed that this one wasn't stage. During a test flight in the late eighties and experimental aircraft unexpectedly crashed but the air force never cleaned it up afterward benowitz showed the photographs to other members of the ufo community claiming he'd seen a real alien spacecraft bishops speculated that the down vessel was an early drone prototype. Now, commonly used for targeted military strikes in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, an unmanned aircraft would have been considered cutting edge technology. If the Soviet Union got their hands on the air force's plans, America would lose its tactical advantage. So doty ratcheted up his disinformation campaign to throw Benowitz off the sent. Dodie, the airforce SL told Benowitz that the wreckage was indeed alien. But that extraterrestrials gifted the craft to earthlings. During the ship's first voyage under human control, the alien shot it out of the sky to illustrate their superior. Might the story served two purposes I it reinforced. Benowitz is existing beliefs and pushed him further into the delusional world they created for him second. If Benowitz ever repeated the story, nobody would believe him as bishop put it. The story brought down the left or curtain. So people just wouldn't pay attention. They would think Benowitz was another ufo nut. But there was still one loose end. Benowitz still had photographs of a classified project. To ensure, they never saw the light of day dodie pushed Benowitz further down the rabbit hole as we discussed in the last episode Benowitz, his paranoia exploded when he believed that aliens were surveilling him from neighbouring houses and breaking into his home. Dodie. Never admitted to forcing entry into Benowitz his house however bishop believe that once agents regularly entered Benowitz as residents without his. Knowledge, just to gauge the extent of his research, Benowitz never complained that any of his research or photographs went missing but air force Oh s I could have replaced photographs of the nineteen eighty five ufo crash with doctored copies that didn't present a national security threat as for the surveillance dodie claim to members of the national security agency were the ones spying on Benowitz. They weren't affiliated with us guy that said many ufologists don't believe doty. Many maintained that the men Benowitz saw peeking through the blinds were air force agents and they were doing a lot more than surveillance. According to you follow gist, Mark Pilkington the airforce spies arranged a visit between Benowitz and distinguished astronomer professor J Allen Hynek Pilkington described Hynick in his book Mirage men as UFO royalty. We know that a meeting between Hynek and Benowitz did in fact, take place according to Pilkington hynick brought Benowitz a powerful new computer. Benowitz saw Hynix visit as a major honor and considered any equipment he brought an invaluable gift. He never suspected that Heine could be delivering a computer fitted with Air Force. Os I designed software. Hill Kingston contended that the software allowed nearby airforce agents to send direct messages to Benowitz his computer. Benowitz stopped intercepting radio signals from the Kirtland Air Force Base and started receiving only the information that the surveilling agents sent him. In other words, he was being brainwashed by the United States. Government into believing aliens were taking over the world and his interview Dodie never admitted to this ploy but if they did the plan work too well, Benowitz alerted the air force of the imminent alien threats. When they remained idle Benowitz grew frantic against doty's advice benowitz wrote to a variety of elected officials including President Reagan. Most. Didn't respond those that did expressed disinterest according to Doty as Benowitz reached his wits and he approached the engineer as a friend in strongly advised him to take a step back from all investigations. dodie allegedly tried coming clean about some of the lies he told but Benowitz refused to believe him he was into deep and win doty realized he was no longer in control. He withdrew Benowitz Air Force funding. Thanks to Dodi's meddling Benowitz lost everything I his business then his family and finally his mind. In nineteen eighty, eight, Benowitz. His family admitted him to a facility where he could receive extensive psychiatric care. No matter which way you slice it all Benowitz, his story is heartbreaking. Richard DOTY's version of events from the perspective of a Mirage. Man is perhaps even more sinister. Then if aliens were threatening to invade Earth if true, it also proves one theory about the Mirage men's mysterious intentions. They were smokescreen to protect government technology and they seem to be willing to destroy a man's life to do. So that Richard Dody and the Mirage man didn't only deal in hoaxes, they handled the real thing to. Coming up former special agent Richard doty unveils the shocking truth about the US government's relationship with aliens now back to the story. In one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine UFO researcher Paul Benowitz teamed up with Mirage Man Richard Doty. Benowitz believed that they were working together to track a belligerent alien race planning to invade earth in reality doty and his air. Force Osha. Perpetrated a hoax to distract Benowitz from gathering information on top secret air force projects. But as it turned out, DOTY's agenda didn't only include fictitious aliens. William Moore first rose to prominence in the UFO community in nineteen eighty after publishing Brooke about the alleged Nineteen forty-nine Roswell U. F. O. Crash as we discussed in the last episode Air Force. Oh aside then offered more proof that you chose existed and the government was covering them up. In exchange more agreed to report on the UFO communities latest research in his pursuit for the real truth about Aliens Moore helped spread misinformation among the Ufo community. Around nineteen, Eighty, eight, he came clean about his involvement with the Air Force Oh sl and ufologists where rejected him as a pariah? Apparently, it was the exact reaction. The Mirage men wanted toward the end of doty's interview with Mark Pilkington doty unloaded some Intel about America's highly classified dealings with extraterrestrials. According to him in the late nineteen seventies, he was singled out to take part in a top secret counter intelligence program doty sat through a briefing regarding how the United States air force was countering unauthorized disclosure of technology to the public by using the UFO phenomenon as a cover debriefing provided the blueprint doty used to mislead Paul Benowitz in nineteen seventy nine. However, the air force wasn't just trying to cover up its experimental technology as part of the meeting dody and his colleagues also had to watch a film shot in the late nineteen forties or early fifties. Even, for a Mirage man, the footage sent chills down his spine. It showed a devastating crash site in Roswell New Mexico. Debris from some kind of aircraft blanketed the ground as rescuers recovered what looked like bodies extra terrestrial bodies, the film cut from the site of the wreck to an interrogation room behind a table set an extra terrestrial species officials in the room appeared to be trying to communicate with dody didn't explain in much detail what the being looked like. But the film ended with narration about the ongoing relationship between the United States government and alien civilizations. As someone experienced with misinformation, doty was initially skeptical about the movie clip. He thought his superiors might be testing him or it was some sort of psychological training. But after the film concluded an Air Force Colonel addressed the group. He discussed how America's relationship with extraterrestrials had changed since initial contact with the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven. As the colonel spoke Dodi's doubts fell away reminiscent on the meeting. Doti said the more the colonel spoke the more I realized that what I saw was real. This guy wouldn't be standing here talking to us with the people in the room briefing into this high level program. If it was a hoax, the irony of a man in uniform convincing doty of an alien presence on Earth didn't register with the agent. Even though he used the same trick on Paul. Benowitz. Not long after of course, there is the possibility that Dodie used pieces of his interview with Pilkington to spread disinformation. As we mentioned earlier, everything he said, should be taken with a grain of salt. He may have retired from his service and sat in front of the camera as an ordinary citizen. But his track record makes him tough to believe that said taken at face value. His confession provides some deeper insight into why air force. Os I recruited William more so aggressively. The details in Moore's book the Roswell Incident Aligned with the information doty provided about the video he watched of the crash site. If Moore's book edge too close to the truth the government could have viewed it as a threat to national security to keep their secret safe more needed to be discredited indeed Moore's relationship with Air Force Osi ultimately resulted in his humiliation and disrepute. Moore's fellow ufologist booed him offstage at his last public appearance leaving his reputation permanently destroyed. Of course, assuming that Moore's book did tread too close to the real story. The government required more far-reaching action to prevent the public from finding out the truth in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine around the time doty received his Roswell briefing. The freedom of Information Act resulted in the declassification of a trove of documents that proved government agencies actively pursued and researched. UFO's this triggered a new responsibility for Mirage men in addition to preventing ufologists from becoming too credible, they needed to generate a large volume of forged documents. These fake records diluted the real ones making it near. To separate. From fiction, the preponderance of fraudulent documents made most people dismiss anything ufo related as a hoax. UFO Historian Richard Dolan compares it to receiving a vaccination. He told Documentarian 's demonstrably false ufo stories become inoculations. When the doctor inoculate you from disease he gives you a little bit of it, and then your immune system recovers deals with it, and now you're immune to it. Without the ability to reliably fact, check mainstream news media didn't cover UFO sightings or relegated them to puff local interest stories. Therefore, the public was most commonly exposed to ufo's in movies or on TV, making it easy to brush off anyone who tried to take the subject seriously media and entertainment networks intentionally presented alien activity as science fiction in order to control public opinion. It best served the Mirage men's purpose if no one looked too hard into aliens, if the world viewed extraterrestrial encounters as fake news, but the tides might be turning as we mentioned at the beginning of last episode. UFO's made mainstream headlines in April twenty twenty, the Pentagon declassified to videos of potential ufo sightings recorded by naval pilots. The Official Department of Defense statement accompanying the videos ended with this tantalizing quote. The aerial phenomena observed in the videos remain characterized as. Unidentified This release was an characteristic of the government's ultra secret approach up until this point. In response to the videos retired Democratic Senator Harry Reid of Nevada tweeted. I'm glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The US needs to take a serious scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed Psalm. The UFO community believed that something must have happened in the relations between the United States government and extraterrestrials that necessitated a change in their secretive policies. Perhaps, Mirage men like Richard Doty are being retired in favor of agents with a new, even more radical approach. Openness and honesty, and that has shaped a rebirth of relations within our galaxy where earth is no longer threatened by or threatening alien species or the United States intelligence officers have simply given up their attempts to bury the truth. Because they know an alien invasion is already on its way. Maybe an intergalactic war is traveling towards Earth at the speed of light we don't know. Maybe aliens only one to warn humankind that our actions on earth have ramifications that go far beyond our planet. Perhaps the only wanNA tell the leaders of every country to never light the match. Thanks again, for tuning into unexplained mysteries, we will be back Tuesday with a new episode for more information on Mirage men. Amongst the many sources we used, we found the documentary, Mirage men, and the book it's based upon Mirage, an adventure into paranoia espionage, psychological warfare, and UFO's by Mark Pilkington extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park has originals for free on spotify not only spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. 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Nov 21, 2019

Sword and Scale Daily

16:33 min | 11 months ago

Nov 21, 2019

"Don't wait for Black Friday. Get to old navy today. The gifts they want most are an incredible fifty percent off. That's right get fifty percent off all jeans fifty percent off all sweaters fifty percents off all outerwear today gene started just fifteen bucks for adults ten bucks for kids. Everyone's favorite styles are on sale today. So don't wait. Korean for fifty percents off all jeans sweaters and outerwear at old navy and old Navy Dot Com and soon valid eleven twenty to eleven twenty six excludes in store clearance gift of a week. Hello and welcome to sword and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Thursday November twenty first and and this is your daily true crime report coming up on sword and scale daily in Ohio. Mother is sentenced to life with the possibility of the parole in thirty seven years for killing her three sons over. The course of thirteen mother afford a man was arrested for the nineteen ninety-six rape of a seventeen eighteen year old girl. After evidence in the case was submitted for retesting. A senior South African prosecutor died in court after a shotgun used use. This evidence in trial was accidentally discharged. Finally take a Michigan inmates. Serving Life Without parole for the gruesome murder of a teenage runaway. We'll be resentenced following supreme court decision. All this and more coming up on store and scale daily I take so the Columbus dispatch reports on Tuesday November nineteenth twenty six year old Brittany Pilkington pled guilty to killing her three young sons over a thirteen month period. She has been sentenced to life in prison and will be eligible for parole in thirty seven years. The first boy to die was three-month-old three-month-old Nile. Who passed away on July twenty second two thousand fourteen? His cause of death was listed as sudden infant death syndrome due due to the findings this did not arouse any suspicions that is not until April. Sixth Two Thousand Fifteen when Niles four year old brother Gavin even also passed away. Gavin's death prompted a criminal investigation as well as an investigation by welfare services while the investigation instigation was ongoing Brittany and her husband. Joe had another son. The Infante Noah and his sister were temporarily removed from the house by Children's services during the investigation but were returned to their parents custody by a judge's order in early August on August. Eighteenth two thousand mm fifteen noah was discovered dead please took Brittany Pilkington into custody immediately after Noah's death and interviewed her for nine hours although she was offered food drink and bathroom breaks she declined during this interview. Pilkington confess she had smothered her son uh-huh because her husband paid more attention to them than he did to her and their daughter. She also said she was depressed and worried. The boys would grow up to abused women. She told police she smothered all three with their blankets. The admissibility of this confession was later called into question because of the conditions Pilkington was kept kept under and the fact that she may have not realized she was free to go as one of the investigating. Detectives locked the door of the interview room after legal debate. Ah Most of the confession was ruled admissible but not the final part which discussed Nile Britney was charged with three counts of aggravated murder and has been in custody awaiting trial since two thousand fifteen. She was facing the possibility of the death penalty so on Tuesday. She pled guilty to two charges of murder in in connection with the deaths of Gavin Noah. She then pled guilty to a charge of involuntary manslaughter for Niles death which may have been an accident Brittany Pilkington suffered through a traumatic childhood. which left her with lifelong handicaps Pilkington suffered from lead poisoning as a child which left her with brain damage inch her? IQ has been evaluated at seventy eight forty five year old Joe Pilkington Britney's husband and the father of her children previously had in her mother's longtime boyfriend. Joe Raised Britney and would introduce himself as her stepfather. He began sexually abusing her when she was underage and impregnated her for the first time when she was only seventeen years old. Although this was known child protection services did not get involved and neither did the police police instead. The couple married and Brittany gave birth to four kids in nine years following. The death of his sons token was finally only charged with sexual battery and eventually pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of sexual imposition. The judge did not see fit to sentence him to any jail time because because of his suffering as a bereaved father he does have to register as a sex offender for the next twelve years. Our next story brings us to Florida on Monday. US marshals arrested fifty five year old Ruben Chavez in Boca Raton Florida and charged him with sexual battery of a minor in connection with at the nineteen ninety-six incident. ABC News Ten reports that per charging documents. The alleged sexual assault took place on January seventh nineteen nineteen ninety-six. The victim who was seventeen at the time had gone out with friends and ended up at Mr Lucky Pool Hall in Margate Florida. She said she drank three shots and then blacked out. She awoke the following morning in a room. At La Quinta end in coral springs. She was naked and a used condom was next to her in the bed in Nineteen ninety-six. There was not enough evidence to identify a suspect however earlier this year as part of general review of cold cases. What's the evidence in this case sent to Broward County crime lab to be analyzed the lab found DNA and this led the chevette arrest Chevette? This is previously been arrested for drug trafficking and carrying a concealed weapon. He is refused to give a statement to law enforcement in other News Adelaide. Ferreira what a senior state attorney for the National Prosecuting Authority in South Africa died Monday after being shot in court. Her her death is being called a freak accident. The South African reported fifty one year old Free Awad was injured in shock. Gun accidentally discharged in the court room. The shotgun was being used as evidence in robbery case. Free Awad was hit in her left hip and evacuated to a hospital where he later died from her injuries injuries. It's not known why the weapon was discharged or why it was even loaded when a weapon is presented as evidence it should not be loaded and any ammunition and should be presented in a separate evidence. Bag there's no suspicion of foul play only negligence police have announced they are investigating the death as culpable homicide aside after the break sentenced to life as a teenager for his part in a gruesome murder. A Michigan inmate may now be granted. The possibility uh of Parole Eric Stonestreet from modern. Baleen the plus captaining his family you know that right. And that's why I might need to drive into the airport later once Yellen today three on NBC four and joined pad loss news. Leon Harris and storm team four chief. Meteorologist Doug Camera for news. Four it for breaking down the day's biggest his stories and giving you a first look at your forecast working for you every afternoon on news for it for now for our final story forty four year old Augustine. Pena has been in prison for almost thirty years. He is serving life without parole for the nineteen ninety murder a fifteen year old Stephanie. To Bay Pena was fifteen at the time of the murder a juvenile but was sentenced as an adult because of the gruesome nature of the crime in two thousand twelve. The Supreme Court ruled that it is unconstitutional to sentence juvenile's to life without parole tomorrow. Augustine Pena will come before a judge to be resentenced. The murder of Stephanie Debate took place on July Eleventh Nineteen Ninety in Warren Michigan and Augustine. Then fifteen and his cousin twenty one year old Jamie Rodriguez a self-described saint nece lived with Pena's mother in a rented at home. The House was unknown crash pad for many teenagers. Stephanie debate with staying there temporarily after running away from home in late June reportedly. She ran away after her mother would not let her get a rose tattoo. Debate had known Pinon Rodriguez for only a few months on on the morning of July eleventh. One or both of the cousins murdered stephany debate butchered her body and decapitated it. They then skinned her head and put it in the freezer later that afternoon. Jaime Rodriquez invited a friend Valerie rapson over to their house. When she arrived at the house he led her to the freezer opened? The door and revealed the skinhead Robson later testified in court that she identified the head. Is Stephanie By saying quote I knew her by the is she had pretty blue eyes. Jamie Rodriguez offered to give her the eyes and wraps and fled the House as fast as she. You could run Valerie. Rapson return a short hour later with another girlfriend. The waited until Jamie was out of the kitchen before swiping the head out of the freezer and put it in a plastic bag after retrieving the decapitated head. They drove to the Warren Police Station and reported the crime by evening. The police had raided the house and made horrific discoveries. There were four bags of human remains in a shallow hole in the backyard and another in the front seat of a car parked in the garage. They also found pieces of bloody newspaper in the basement and a bloody hammer which had been used to dismember the body. The autopsy revealed what do BAE had been stabbed ten times in the back inside had her spleen and Tong removed. Post mortem and one of her fingers had been amputated shortly after his arrest. Jaime Rodriguez gave an interview to the Detroit news from his jail cell confessing to the crime and placing most of the responsibility on his fifteen eighteen year. Old Cousin Augustine Pena. He gave the same story to the investigators. Can I interviewed him Per Rodriguez. Debase murder was not related related to satanism and claimed it happen spontaneously. He said that on the morning of the eleventh. He and his cousin were hanging out in the house. When suddenly Pena's suggested acid? They Kill Stephanie. Who was staying over? Rodriguez claimed that both opinion were annoyed with Stephanie. They went down to the basement and spread newspapers over the floor floor for easier cleanup. Then Pena went upstairs. Woke Stephanie Up and took her down to the basement. Once they're Rodriguez Rigas held her by the neck while Pena's stabbed her to death. Rodriguez claimed they never discussed dismembering the body but came to an unspoken understanding nick. Although the motivation for the murder was not satanic wants. It took place. Rodriguez admitted he wanted to use the body parts and rituals he specifically typically told police. He planned on fashioning debates amputated finger into an amulet to wear around his neck. He said they kept the head. As a conversation piece. Pena's version of the events was very different. He said he had no part. In the murder or dismemberment but only helped Rodriguez dispose of the body. Rodriguez's testimony was the only evidence. Implicating Pina in the murder. His fingerprints were found on the bloody hammer on a plastic bag containing body parts and on a piece of bloody newspaper recovered from the basement. But those only tie into the dismemberment and disposal both cousins were charged with first degree murder conspiracy to commit murder and mutilation of a corpse. They were both found guilty and sentenced to life without parole in two thousand twelve. The Supreme Court ruled the juvenile's cannot be sentenced to life without parole and in two thousand sixteen. The court ruled that this decision applied retroactively. This means that inmates like Pena are to be resentenced. The judge could decide to leave. Pena's sentence as it stands or he could decide to make him eligible for parole for before we leave you. We have some new information from the investigation into the disappearance of New Jersey makeup artists. Stephanie Pars Police reveal that Pars is ex. Boyfriend John ause Bogan sent her abusive text messages on October. Twenty ninth the night before she disappeared. The OSBOURNES GIN a stockbroker who worked for a Staten Island firm is considered a person of interest in the investigation. Investigators have searched his home in connection action with Pars disappearance and also conducted multiple searches in Staten Island. During a search of Osborne's house and electronic devices police found abusive tax as well as child pornography. Osborne was detained on a child pornography charge on the night of the twenty ninth Osberg insent Pars cars ten texts within nine minutes one of the texts from Oz bogin claim the pars quote always has to make relationships suck in September Hambur Pars accused Oz. bogin assaulting her the third domestic abuse accusation. He is faced in the past year on Tuesday. Oz Mcginn was released released pending his trial on the child pornography charge. That's it for today. We'll see tomorrow and until then stay. 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E112 The Myth of work life balance demystified with Curtis Howe

Biz4Good Show

41:55 min | 1 year ago

E112 The Myth of work life balance demystified with Curtis Howe

"Welcome to the bids for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for the being good at doing good movement. We spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty, and creating an environment of connection the showing the true secrets is excess at creating a life of greater impact. So come on board and create your own biz for good life. Welcome. Welcome to the biz Magan show. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the biz were good show. I am your host body Glyn James along with ROY. Ladies and gentlemen. The Ryan Pilkington here in the show and we've been out doing road trips going crazy heavens super fun out there in LA La Land. You're going to hear some of these episodes after before this episode. We've been going crap. We've we've been having a lot of fun. Have we ran we battled some dragons battles? He's just so, you know, the the dragons one they killed us. But anyway, so to dissolve, unfortunately, if Cedric it had had a gun, it would have been a totally different story. He was lost the dungeons. He stayed alive, though, we had guns. We're the ones that died. I'm like, I don't even know where said I'd help you said it, but I didn't have a clue where you were. But anyway, we've been having some fun on the road. We're in the studio today with an amazing guest. Of course, Ryan tells about the show, thanks for joining us for the best forget show, we're on pursued one one hundred twelve one twelve that's three digits and little pass three digit. I it is three. It's just simply three digits. Very good. Yeah. Math was not my biggest strongest suit in school after one comes to yet. That's right. So I got that part. Okay. So yeah, we're on episode one hundred twelve the myth of work life balance to Mr. bud with Curtis. How the myth of work life balance demystified with Curtis. How? That's what I'm talking about. So curtis. How has been building businesses for over eighteen years in his help many companies find success a sales grad of we state university in psychology degree at anchor point on top of years. A real world experiences has helped Curtis to understand what it takes to successful business. Curtis is also in the alumni of. Done. Boom. Start a day go boom starring joint program to Boone stirred up. Excellent. If I would just read. I woulda helped it would have been there. Yep. So yeah, thanks for being on the show. Welcome in. We're excited to have you think? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much so good show. We are to fun. Adventurous entrepreneurs sharing their expenses expenses. Yeah. It definitely is expensive people. Let me tell you sharing their experiences of the real secret to success in business doing all things with a be good. Do good minds that there is so much bad noise in the world. Let's fight against the noise and flood the world with the good. Find us on Facebook Tichy switcher tweezers Twitter inst- instead of any any place. Well, okay, not any place. Just a few of the social media platforms that you can find we're on if you're doing the podcast we're there. That's right. That's right point, click an any podcast player that you have you'll find this just look up bisbee is e four the number four good show. Thanks for listening, and being you know on this ride. We've been. On almost listeners Razi ride. We appreciate it. Yeah. The nine hundred we have in fan. I don't know what they. You have to say, thank you in Japan. I think you in Japan. It right there. Agu? Thank you. Thank you, New Mexico. Did we we really I think we're banned in New Mexico? Really now that can't true. There's still have to have listeners in the we don't want anything to do with you. Yeah. See interesting anyway. Anyway. So today, we we have we have given you know, we we do Google challenges. We do all kinds of challenges we like to shake the show up before we do the interview and have a little bit of fun today. We kind of introduced this biz for bad segment that we've kind of been toying with. We haven't done a very good job of really getting down in the dirt of it yet. I think but understand the good you get into the bed. Exactly, exactly. So we are going to talk to Mr. how today and he's going to he's said, I will take on the leadership role of talking about the biz for bad. And we'll we'll see what we could have done to change it. What are you gonna talk about today? So I thought it'd be fun to talk about several years ago during a hurricane sandy hurricane that combined with a snowstorm that just dumped all over New York for about a week two. When was that tells them fourteen or fifteen or something like that? I think tons of. People lost all kinds of their houses. I mean, there's a whole couple of neighborhoods that burned down from a gas leak and all kinds of problems that happened in things and Macy's department store came out about a week afterwards and said that if anybody had been affected by the storm. If anyone's house was completely destroyed, and you have lost everything you get a ten percent discount off getting more clothes at Macy's. Darren male. If there's one thing you got a is there a little bit of backlash. There was maybe a little bit. It was it was a little crazy, man. That's as one thing about social media is we have done a great job of building a platform that anybody can say anything and did they let loose. Oh, man. It's it's it's it really is a double edged sword is totally media thing. If you do something great everybody'll tell everybody. How great you did? When you do something bad. Everybody will tell everybody. So obviously, we all look at it. And the reason we're thinking that this is a bad business practice is that they are taking a tragedy and giving an opportunity to make a few more sales by giving discount. At least it looked that way. I don't know if they they thought it through initially when they put that together in a room. There's a couple of marketing guys in there. Like, oh, dude, man, we should do something for the people. Let's give them percent off not thinking not thinking what that would actually look like, how do you? How do you prove that? They don't have any more. Do. I get that dish Kim. Yeah. No. How are you going to prove it? Here's a picture of my destroyed roof. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Just kind of crazy. It wasn't. I definitely wasn't thought out. Very good at all by themselves. Little crazy. They got a ton of backlash. And I don't know if they I think they should have pulled it back and not doing much, but they probably ended up just donating like a couple million dollars to a relief under something to help people out in that situation instead which comes comes to. I think what we want to talk about as what what would have been a different way to approach that in a in a being good and doing a really being good and doing good mindset. And I think the key here is that when you're being good and doing good you've got to actually understand the people that you're being good and doing good too. If you don't understand them, or what their needs, and values and culture lip service. You xactly, it's non you're not helping them. You're not really being ready party. Exactly. And in this day and age of so much social media. We know when people are full of crap mostly. Yeah. Well, yeah, we we've kind of been taught how to how to get red flags and see what's going on. So I think in a bigger do good world. What could Macy's have done? Well, first off make a good statement. You know, just a statement is fine. Like we year prayers are with the people that are suffering only and then follow up with something. At this age in Brazil. Yeah. Yeah. I think if they would have done like for everybody that buys something. We're just going to donate like ten percent of our profits for the next two or three months to relief fund to help them out. I mean that might have still done to MS business goals that they had or even just donate. Just hey, guys. We're just gonna donate. Are you seeing like Ariz Windies all five, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Do you wanna do to two dollars? They always asked me. Yeah. Due to bother dollar. Yeah. Yeah. And you put your name on, and we all and I think we all unfortunately. Because in this world, we're in we have this lightbulb going bullcrap or you're trying to sell me. You're trying to sell me right now. What if what if it legitimately? There was no sales involved. What if it was? You know, what these people are in our community. We love them. We Macy's cares about our people. We're just donating a million dollars. We're just donating a million dollars to help them or even one hundred thousand dollars because that's that's what we can do. We have in our budget. I think marketing dollars if you'd have thrown marketing dollars into that. And it would have been that open with. Hey, there's no strings attached here people. We're not looking we care about the people that come to our store. I think that probably would have had a completely different totally backlash and go ahead say even if they. A lot of the clothes that they are not selling out. Well, they got too much of in toria for all that extra smell at all. We're going to take it all down to the Salvation Army or something like that. We're going to all my gosh. That would have been. Yeah, we're just gonna drive it down and drop it off anyone who wants it. Come get some, you know going to help you out that probably look liquidated anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I got to do something with it again something. And it still kind of looking at how do I get something out of it? But you you could've used market the marketing dollars, you spend on some big stupid campaign would have had not even half the impact of just giving in showing that you care about the people you I it makes me if you guys during Christmas, you guys remember that that viral video those going around of that Kennedy was it a Canadian airline where they had people. There had a Santa Claus of a TV though, it had a Santa Clause in it and the people that were going on the airplane. He had him come up, and they would say what do you want for Christmas? And the person would say, oh, I want, you know, socks in an elevator. Tv I want. I want to forty inch TV, and and then they go get on their playing while they're flying to wherever they're flying to the the the airline goes and gets all that stuff. And when they get off of the airplane. There's Senator laws and he's giving them the VO. They got people Bali, I'm balling. We'll show, you know. I don't know how much that costs them. They bought everything that anybody said on the hang not said a car or anything like that. But the guy said the big TV big fit, forty inch TV or whatever fifty inch TV back then. Wilde, but the marketing dollars that they probably spend on that didn't he would've never touched. How much actual marketing? I mean, I've I've watched every year it's fun to watch every and that was like five six years ago. We always tell businesses all the time that you've got to think about giveaways like you would a marketing campaign because you do you give away stuff all the time. And what does it cost you give something away? It doesn't cost me that much. Well, then give it away. Give a couple of way. You know, we had a we had one company that roofing company they gave away free roof when you're eight thousand dollar value. We did a contest for them to basically give away free roof. So you had to go to the landing page take a picture of your roof and tell us why you deserve get your roof, redone for free. And it turned out. Awesome. Awesome. Oh, yeah. Biz biz for good. It's interesting because it's not hard. This isn't rocket science people. This is not rocket science. But we get so caught up in the marketing. And how do we make a profit? How do we get people to buy stuff? And we forget it's about people. Yeah. And if we can just understand what the people want, and we just give it to that should be why you're in business. Exactly it should be. And we always thought it was a no brainer to be good. Do good in business. And we've realized that unfortunately, that's why we're here to shout from the rooftops. If you wanna make an impact if you want to get rich even. You'll get richer and today rich longer if you focus on how much good you can do. Anyway, I'm on my soapbox. That's a good one. Well, what do you think that was a pretty good biz for bad? I think we I think we learned some lessons out of it. I think it was pretty that was pretty good. Thank you for bringing that. Yeah. We're going to have to have the guest. Thanks for setting the stage. A couple more actually been sitting here too. You can do. Oh, well, good us after let's do a we maybe we'll just keep in touch. There you go. Liking the quarter bunch more. Yeah. Awesome. All right. What do you? What do you? What does that? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Ryan is the keeper of the monitor that says stuff on it. So we would like to invite all of our listeners biz forget show listeners out to the biz for good show dot com page. That's biz for good show dot com. And click in the very front. It says checklist and you can click on that. And you can get the free bids for good show checklist of how to live your own bist for good show life. It's I don't know. We think it's cool. It's pretty cool. And if you can go straight to checklists dot biz for good show dot com, if you want to or just go to biz for good show dot com and click at the very front. It says get your checklist. Your free bids for good checklist. We just shouting it for the root off. We know when you when you focus your life on what good you can do your life as much fuller and better, Amen. Awesome. Failed. Her all two million to we are at builder Alta, millions dot com builder all to millions dot com. You're crazy marketing digital marketing platform with every tool on earth that you could possibly throw in except the kitchen sink. Wait, I think they have a kitchen sink app. Also do now I'm not sure about that. There's a wash the dishes. Hound might wash the dishes. So you need a landing pages a sales funnel webinar any to make your own phone app. Do you need to just have landing pages? Oh, you need an e learning platform d need author and you need to sell books. L book you name it builder all to millions dot com. Go there. Check out the app, you can get a fourteen day or seven day free trial or something like that. Role to millions dot com. How and it's Tupper the show people's it's time for the show. Oh, my wife was playing with it. And then she she took off with my did she? Well. Okay. Something sounds wrong. That sounds wrong there. He is very brilliant. Yeah. We can't you gotta do this right for this show. Everybody. Very good. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome curtis. How did this show? Thank you so much for being on the show. We like to start off by kind of getting to know you and understanding what is your biz for good philosophy. What is being good and doing good mean to you and your life and business? What are you doing? And how does that circle you? So. For for my life. I think one thing that's important. And I learned very on in business is I mean the goal of businesses to help people. That's really what it comes down to a few help people. I mean, it's a whole zig Ziglar philosophy you help enough people get what they want. You get what you want, basically. So that's what it all is about, you know, Robert kiyosaki, I always talks about that the bigger the problem you solve the more profit. There is in it. Basically, you can the more people you can help the better you can make money at it and stuff, you know. So we try to take that philosophy into everything that we do to to help people out through our business stuff. It's all about helping people making sure it's working for them and not just for our customers. But our employees ease to we wanna make sure that they're taking care of it that he hit that. Because so many people forget if you want good customer service, then take care of your employees. Yeah. That's right. That's what your business will do. If you don't take care of your. Crash and burn baby. Because if an employee doesn't feel loved or cared for or whatever how do you expect them to take care of a client Dafur potential? Totally totally. Well, thank you for saying. You're welcome. It's all about my my philosophy is is you want to leave everything better than when you got it. So that's super super important. You know, and that's you didn't actually give somebody value. Yes. You know? I mean, they pay something and they get more than. And it doesn't have to be just business. I mean, it could be anything in life that you do that with if you're on a sports team. If you're doing something on a team, how can you be contributing more to them than what you're getting out of it? So that helps out you know, we're we're actually renting right now the house Cup years ago. Took advantage of this. Nice market. We've got here in Utah sold it out a whole bunch of debt and our landlords. Like, you guys are the coolest people I've ever rented to and because we fix stuff. We're not hounding him for Suffolk, by the way. This inc. Was broken. We gotta fix got taken care of, you know, hey, do you mind. If we upgrade a couple of things just to give back. Heck, yeah. Why not? So we want the house to be better off than when we got there. That's a good point that if you do that in life, not just in business, it what comes around goes around all over the place. And if I would suspect that if something happened where some how business lines crossed, and you became, you know, you found yourself in a business situation with lack your your land order. Would he be totally open to work in or or not exactly you never know? If you're just that mindset, totally go everywhere. Yeah. It makes a huge difference huge difference s Abraham mindset. So it is actually Abraham might say oh explain that. Yeah. All right. All right. So what am I what about the little hobbies little things? I do on the side is study Steph. I love ancient history's and religions and cultures and things like that. And so this is going to get a lot of cool stuff about the prophet. Abraham. You know, the Old Testament type stuff, you know, and he had a he was known for planting crops everywhere. He went the places a desert is a horrible place. There's all kinds of crazy stuff going on everywhere. He would go he would plant crops and so not hand, Johnny Appleseed. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't for him to harvest, but he would be there because other people come by and they'd be hungry or thirsty and hit hit provide root for him. So he was always improving the areas that he was in. Those kind of a cool philosophy. It is a cool philosophy. I love it. So how can you plant seeds everywhere you go? Yeah. Oh, I like. That is cool. It is awesome. That's what I love about doing this show. We talk about one kind of thing this being good and doing good and everybody comes up with some cooler cool stuff that that that makes me like Mao, man. I'm glad I know that. Yeah. I'm glad that. I that. I know that Abraham was the first Johnny apple say was it. That's where they got the story from a kid be Johnny supposedly was a real guy. What was his name, George Clooney? No. No. That's somebody different. Okay. I don't know where that is. All right. Going to convert the transition. All right. What is your commitment to step up your own biz for good game for this year for this year? So boy are Curtis hassle. So for in our business, we've different been growing in a lot more clients coming in. And so we've been two things that we've we've worked on his win is stepping up per game in employee engagement keeping them excited motivated. So we've got a contest to a run for our our employees whenever they do something that that helps our I mean, we do marketing campaigns on social media for businesses. So whenever those hit the goals, whenever they hit the things we give we kind of add up points, basically. And when they hit a certain threshold points, they get a reward. So my team we've hired pretty much. I'm actually the only guy in my whole business. We've hired all women to work with most of them are stay at home moms. Yeah. That's working out doing stuff like that. So it's really nice to have them be there. It's a huge underserved market. Honestly for great employees. Stay at home moms and social than way, more. They are way better at it than the guys after that's the key right there way better their way better than the guys act. Admit it, totally. So we have a thing. And they decided they want to pull our massage. I'm like, okay. We'll by everybody fuller massage when you hit the point total, basically. But. Yeah. Back next week. I'm picking up five gift certificates for our massages on. That's awesome. So we're going to do. And when they get that one. What else he has want? What else you want you want to gift certificate to to a store like an Amazon type card? Do you want to go somewhere else? You want to go to fence a restaurant or something like that? We'll do whatever you want. So it's motivating them. And then we're always protecting our customers interests. And so we're always working on. What can we do better? How can we find improve marketing? Heck, we do things in a better way. And so we've got some partnerships working on that should dramatically increase return customers are getting. Okay. So so I is it. Okay. If we give you a little bit of a challenge. Okay. A little bit of a a commitment that you can make on the show that'll hold you a little bit accountable. Okay. Sure, you do it. Sure. Okay. Oh boy. I'm not sure what it is. I'm just thinking. So can you commit you? So you got this one this one deal? Can you commit to doing that four times or five times this this year? Yep. Are you committed to totally to doing for your employees five pretty big big things that could enhance their life or something? Yeah. So you've done one. So you got four more to go can you committed? Absolutely awesome. We hold you accountable that that's going to get hopefully, our listeners you guys can do that. I tell you that the big thing the reason people become really successful is because they work hard. And if you don't work hard, it doesn't matter how good things are whatever you do have to actually put in some Mark totally got inning the reward with gamification is a great wave like 'cause you're just not working hours for the money. You have something to look forward to and people are competitive sometimes and they're like how before that. And so your next piece that you said for your clients, always looking for better, do better marketing terrorists and things maybe in the in the works is is this stuff. You can't talk about. No, I just I have a lot of friends in the marketing space, and I'm always attending conferences and studying and learning and trying to see what we can do better when we found companies that are that are doing marketing in a better way than we are. So we're partnering with them. So is there one commitment that you could make in that vein that you say, I'm for sure going to get this done. Kind of change a little bit no just kit. I do this here. Here's something else. There's another busy. We do this. Another biz for good thing that we do. We actually give our services away to a certain amount of our customers who actually do free work for some businesses that things like that. And so we're committed to doing another one this year. Awesome. Awesome. So we have a nice little company up in Ogden that said just a little small startup that we've been helping them for about three years to all their online marketing, basically for free. Really? Yeah. Also, you just pick some someone. And then you just yet. Peta rotate through different businesses, nonprofits. Do that. It's just part of that whole Abraham idea of give back a percentage of what we have. We can give back you're living. What you're totally small that is so cool and you're committed to do that again this year -absolutely find a new one. Wow. Whatever that looks like you're going to get it done. We haven't even mentioned the name of your company. I wanna actually we're getting there. Ryan. Jimmy, we're excited. We want to do stuff we've been trying to reach out actually to like the Houston area because of the hurricane the damage that happened down there look for businesses and need help getting started up. Again daughter was on a mission down there when she was evacuated two or three times from different places. Oh, man. It's funny because she said when they went back to the original place abra evacuated from that one had no damage, but all honest. Her her mission president had had to live in the church for a little bit because his house was flow. And she said six months of her mission was just gutting out houses and stuff. So. Oh, yeah. I did that on my mission to in Arkansas. Really crazy. That's cool. That's good. We want to help out. So if we can reach some companies out in the Houston area or even. Panhandle of Florida that got hit last year as well to help a few of them on their social media to get their marketing backup and going love it that is so cool. Wow. Well, with that said what kind of challenge can we give the listeners? What what what kind of gold nugget key? You give them that they could use in life in business, and the we could hold them to at least they can take the challenge listening. Hopefully, so well, I'll tell you what we'll just we'll just promote the company that we've been helping in fact, give a challenge to them for everybody. So the company is hotel kitchen. Oh, we want them on the show. You want the money show on the show and get you. There reached out a couple of years ago to get him on the show. Okay. I'll see connection, but I lost. It was my shop the ball. I'll see if I get him connected to you again. It's a great company a couple of friends got together. And what they do is really cool. What they actually do is go to farmers, and they pick up the old produce. So it's the, you know, fruits and stuff that are going to get thrown away because they didn't get sold at market is the excess inventory that have basically it's going to rot they collected. All and then they hire actually homeless people. They hire people from the shelters and they make jam and then they sell it. Yeah. Oh, that's right. I remember very long time ago. There's still there's still kicking it. Yeah. Yeah. They got several retail locations around the Ogden area and stuff up there. They do it. But you can go to their website. I think it's just town kitchen dot com or something like that and support them by some jam some Jane is some jam people. They have some gamer jam to gain if you're a gamer. Yeah. Mountain dew flavored kitties. Probably does. Oh my gosh. You'd be on your I am getting that. I don't care. They have Gable to leave jam or something like that is what is calling get on the website. Do it should have a connection with Biard junkies. I thought jalapenos jam was my favorite, but the mountain dew Jim might be my favorite. I haven't tried it yet. But I hear good. Okay. That is awesome. So it's Sagan. Motown town kitchen company thing it's just oh town kitchen dot com. I think it's a website. Oh town kitchen dot com jam. Yeah. Let's pass them. So that's that's our our big action item for you the listeners. Let's go support somebody because supporting others is one of the biggest ways we can show support. Well, supporting others, as we sure sport. Yeah. That's that's a double thing. But I mean, it's the best way to do being good and doing good by supporting other people doing great things. Oh, look, they're even doing town breakfast breakfast. Buy tickets to their their things do jellied right there in the middle chambers. Do ellie. Oh, we. Jarring talk. Oh, watermelon jam seeing and that's one of the people that they work with right there. That's so cool. Yeah. So he will come into the shelters for different reasons. And they they hire him. Get him work experience town, kitchen dot com. People check it out you'll we'll we'll leave it in the links to. Yeah. That'd be a good one. Awesome. Awesome. Cool. So what was the title of the show Ryan detector, the show is the myth of work life, balance demystified? What does that mean? So. I think it's a misnomer, honestly, work life balance. Honestly, I think it's a total misnomer there. All it's a load of crap far as I'm concerned. Mystified right here right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go got sound effects. So to a look at it. I mean, I've been self employed for going on now nineteen years started, dozens of different companies and all different kinds of industries done a lot of different things. We can relate. And. There's no such thing as balanced. I mean, I think balance implies some kind of an equilibrium between them. And there isn't there? Just isn't you just as an entrepreneur to be successful? You just have to admit that. There are gonna be times where your business is going to dominate your entire life. Yeah. You know, there's sometimes you got to do that. When we're in the boom startup program running our startup through there. I mean, we're working fifteen to eighteen hours a day six days a week to just get it. Get it going and get things happened. It was a grueling pace to keep up. But it doesn't mean that you have to ruin your life or. Yeah. Totally ruin your family's life because you're never around. And so I would say instead of thinking of it as a balance is you have to think of it more of what's important now kind of thing because sometimes found is going to be more important than your business, and you need to be willing as an entrepreneur to be honest with yourself and say I got to step away. Yeah. I gotta do stuff for the family. And there's other times where your family is. You have to tell you family. Sorry, guys. I we just got a bunch of stuff. We've got to get done real quick. I'll see in a couple of days kind of thing, you know, and and do that. So it's more of where's that need kind of sloshes back and forth. And so you just gotta. Figuring out what's going to be the best for you. And I've talked with a lot of friends about this that entrepreneurs. And and that's that's really the best scenario that you can't ask for an entrepreneur is is one is realized that it's it goes back and forth. Sometimes you're going to have time with your family. Sometimes you're not and you have to decide what is that acceptable level in the startup world. That's usually, you know, your focus for five to seven years crank it out do as much as you can. And then spend time with your family after that. When you get a nice exit or a payout or something like that and your business. And if that's what your commitment level is and what your family's willing to support you with then. Okay. That's fine. If that's not everybody entrepreneurs, not everybody. Everybody can do that. Yeah. And that's something you really should think about and I was really surprised into boom startup program that they talked about that they brought that up and not everybody can do a start up. Even though that's the craze. Everybody wants to be seen as a startup these days. Not everybody can do it. And they tell you that a lifestyle business is not a bad thing. It's okay to have a lifestyle business. And in fact, one of our one of the mentors I had out of that. Rub coons. He always talks about the you should have a lifestyle business because that can be a cash flow to keep your bills paid while you run a startup. Yeah. Defined defined that better. So a lifestyle business is a business that it's basically a business that runs day to day. It's it's a little more than just owning a job, basically. Yeah. You have a flower shop, you're a plumber, you do marketing for people, you know, things like that. And it's just influence or that takes pictures of clothes, and they get hundreds of it's a business. No one's going to talk about on our business on CNN because it's a boring business. It's just day in day out. You're not going for huge profits. You're just making money every month. You just consistently cashflow, basically. So that's that's it's not a bad thing to go that direction as well. So people who are doing that. That's okay. But any loved the game. Yeah. I that's that's the hard part. That's the traffic itchy game at building crafts. Crafts. It's my favorite part of business is the startup because it's where all the craziness happens and the and the magic and the processes start to sink and some of them work, some of them, donating fails, whatever I just I love I love that part of creating a business can did his it just and it's not for everybody. But for me, I freaking love lava. Maybe not so much. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the choice that you guys have to make is that you know, what is her level of sustainability and support for you. And what is yours for her to and some people can pull that off and make it work. You know, I know entre manure that his wife pretty much came to him one day because he had, you know, get up four in the morning, go into the office. Be there all day, come home around five o'clock have dinner with the family, and then he'd go to home office for till about midnight and work and then sleep for a couple of hours and go to office a four in the morning, and that's what he was doing and and cranking. I mean, he had he had a huge company that was just phenomenal. What it did is very early internet startup company. But he admitted that one day is wife came to him and says look. It's a family business. You've got to be home more or we're going to go find some somebody else to be daddy, basically. And so he had a stick around home more and he still worked, but he was instead of just for dinner he'd be home a little bit more in the when the kids went to bed. He'll go back to work and to be fair. Once you have a few wins under your belt things change quite a bit. Totally. It's not the same as when you're proven yourself. Yes. There's a lot more work in the beginning. But once you have a winner to you're different. You're you're you're a different person in the in the piece of the puzzle. And that that peace isn't as. Hardworking focus. I I'm not sure how to say this when you become more the visionary than the the guy that does everything you can spend your your time a little differently. So not everybody becomes a an entrepreneur just constantly is like that. But even the ones that do just get in start up mode and go they usually when they hit their exit. You take a year two off? Yeah. They don't do any business stuff for a couple of for year two. They just relaxed enjoy then they get the again jump back in and get going. You know, Garrett g did that after he got his his business sold out to Snapchat. Yeah. There's there's a book out there called the millionaire fast lane. I can't remember the author. But he he sold his business for like one point two million dollars or something like that. And he's like. Living the dream. And I sold my business. And he goes, you know, what a million dollars isn't as much as you think it is. And in two years, I was looking for something else to do. And he said the crazy part that company was failing. And I bought it back for three hundred thousand dollars. Restarted? That's interesting. Learned that you know, you have an apocryphal exit. That doesn't mean, you know, life is is is done, and I just driving my Ferrari and go into into. Absolutely. But it does make things easier. Yes. To do it again. Yeah. That is for sure. Anything the first guy ran the four minute mile. Then everybody's running the four minute mile. Right win. Once you can win again. You know, you can absolutely gosh. We we've just been having too much fun with Mr. courtesy. Right. This is this has been a great interview thinks. This is. Absolutely. Mentioned the name of his business. Oh, yeah. Listen. I mean, I feel a Turku diligent. Sure. Sure. So my company is smart social SMRT. So website is SMRT dot social inglenook summer Smurfs. Yeah. There's no way in there. So we just we work for you. Oh, that's a good tagline. We work. I love that. Like, all it's a fun. So is there any social media links links anything you want to leave leave with as the people can find your lately big and find us on most every social media platform, and it's out there. Facebook San Martine SMRT social. Yup. And I went out there. I like the fact how you have some automation items right products that help automate social we have we've actually built our own software to manage. Yep. Yeah. Exactly. We just we got started everything was either way expensive and insanely hard to use or just too simple. And you had to use a dozen different tools to get it to happen. So I'm like, well, we're just going to build it, Dan sweet went when hadn't built around software to manage it. That's so cool really efficient also occurred. His thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being on the show comes with some great word of was words of wisdom that I think we can all use even the listeners hopefully will start planting some seats. Absolutely cool, go out and be Johnny or Abraham and go get some jelly jelly. They jelly now. What are you gonna give them on? Joe? What's it called? Oh town kitchen town, Odom, kitchen dot com. So. Yeah. Well, thanks for being on the show. Here welcomes Sweetman Ryan's gonna take us out. And we get to share the district. We back in the saddle again saying. Back give back to where you once below any Beatles fans and really. Okay. I am the walrus. I am the egg, man. We are the man, okay. Stunned industry. Have gone off track. I take out Ryan holy cab. Still wanna end this. We always ended with hashtag be good. You good three times. We get louder on the third time. Any has tech Biegel? Do good hashtag Vigo zoo. Good. Good. That's right. Thank you for listening to the biz for good show podcast. We want to thank all our fans and guests on the show. Be sure to check us out on all their social media platforms. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for your host, Bobby Glenn James and Ryan Pilkington. This is Tim Jackson saying get out and do some good now. Go.

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Outsmarting the 7 Modern-day traps in todays workplace with David Covey

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Outsmarting the 7 Modern-day traps in todays workplace with David Covey

"Welcome to the Biz for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for with a being good at doing good movement we spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection the showing. The true secrets is excess. And creating a life of greater impact so come on board and create your own phys for good life well Welcome welcome to the show. Oh I'm your host Bobby Glenn James Along with Roy Moore ladies. John's Gentlemen Not Germs. In the House today Ryan Pilkington along with the amazing Dave David Cover Ladies and gentlemen riot tells about the show. Do you want me to scroll down so you can actually see what the show's about very own. Scroll Up Ryan you need to scroll up Ryan. Usually runs is the. What do you call this prompter? Yeah the prompter Bobby's and control the prime and control the WHO knows what will happen today. We I'm I moving it up and down just a really confused Ryan Right now. I'm already sick enough there we go. Oh that's right. We went to lunch and Ryan eight something that totally the agreed with him. I'm feeling better. I'm feeling better. You feel better. You're not as an allergy were. Yeah so yeah. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the best. Forget show. We're sitting down with David Covey. And we'll be talking to him. Today's this show is outsmarting the seven modern-day traps in today's workplace That's right people so today we'll be sitting down. Yes with David Company he is a Byu and Harvard Alumni. Ecrit do my fact check uh-huh before yeah you should just do. It live on this show much better and Franklin Covey from nineteen ninety four to two thousand ten and with American Express in proctoring Gammel. Y- Several books out trap tales said and done plus a one church book and three children books in the third. 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That's right ladies gentlemen okay. We didn't talk about this because we like to not talk about stuff and in in throw it on our guest really quickly I was going to throw. Oh you're gonNA throw something you can throw. It's so cool. He shaved his head like yeah. Let's do this come on no problem. Throw what at me. Do we both want to one. I was thinking I would like a lesson in leadership from Mr Coffee. I wanted to Google challenge with trap. Oh for you know that might be kind of fun so we we do some different things sometime on the show we will do. What's called the Google Challenge? If you're up for it we hit you against Google all right so if you're up for it I think there's might be superfund. Maybe he could choose. Choose what none on. Okay yeah we got this. I think this will lead us into what the heck a trap holiday triple. This is perfect so reminds me of the little game. I used to play a mouse trap. My favorite games when I was a little kid trapping. Yeah Mousetrap that that game where the would come down and you try and build the whole the thing. I don't understand what I did but I got the mouse every time you did. I hope I don't even know if I ever finished it. Be honest like what is this Okay so here's how he'll challenge works David we are going to you. Put in trap allergist into Google and and Google. Of course it's GONNA do. It's magic so I'm doing it now. People I have put in the word trap politics I have hit inter now. It wouldn't be so everybody go to page one so we're not going to page one. We're not going to page to your book came right up. Oh Yeah Wow your book. Immediately he comes up. That's interesting. Did you make this word up. We I totally did work to limit around for two years. Very Good I. It's a right. There comes at the very beginning available on spotify music. Oh man awesome okay. So we're going to go to page three though because because that's how Google that's how we've never had somebody get against himself. Oh yeah this is going to be hard so trap politics at work by David M. Arkadi is what we come up with on page three. And you you pretty much dominated page one and two two. So there's this is a ringer first time on the show. We we had a ringer on the show. So let's see what's what's here. This is Evan. See is the name of this website and it says trump trap at work. I have a feeling this picture is something that you created. He networking trap politics at work. Programme Ram Perfect. Are you struggling with information overload. which why are you telling you want me to do stuff information overload? Staying focused adopting adapting to changes lack of passionate work. Nobody has that problem do they. Everybody's he's passionate at work. Aren't they just like me. Totally keeping good habits in your life. I love it. Yeah could you just take a brief opportunity to kind of explain trap first before we get to the show just because we've kind of premise astounding lessons and leadership him. I'll tell you what because I had the vision purpose. Yes yes tell you about a triple a Great Leader as a trap. Oh I listened leadership here so my business partner and I liked to play. HHS and in the game of chess you know. Obviously what you try to do is get your opponent fall into traps that you set up with setup for them and if you're only thinking one move ahead you're going to lose right you gotta think several moves ahead and you try to get your opponents. The the fall into traps that you're setting up for them. Well we thought that was really a good metaphor for life especially business life and there's a lot of business traps that we all fall into and a lot of times people know what these are. You know like ideas necessarily but they they haven't thought about helping avoid these traps so attra- politics is a person who detects and avoids the workplace traps and also helps others to do the same and and so we have of course being a covey you can't have like five traps more like nine traps. You gotTa have seven Gav. That's absolutely think if my father wrote the five habits of highly effective people anybody would have bought it. No no wonder where the but the book Seven Habits yet. Seven is a magical number so of course I have seven traps and three of them are related to yourself off the. There's the business trap that procrastination trap and the Eagle Trap those are related to you as an individual three of them Lamar related to your team. Your interactions with with with the team. The trigger trap. A lot of us have triggers that set us up and obviously other people solar situations that trigger us. This silent trap. Is this this trap. We have of thinking that teamwork is for other people but not for us and and the settlement trap the trap around your career and help people settle in their career when no one should settle in their career today and and then of course the last trap is for the organization at Surround Myopia. And it's this idea that there isn't this line of sight between what I do everyday. And how how that connects to the strategy of the organization. So it's a problem not only for individuals and managers but it's also problem for companies because companies have these elaborate strategies than they think. Hey all of our employees understand their sent on our operating in executing against these strategies. And they're really not so it's it's a really really big problem. So that's that's That's really what the Senate workplace traps are awesome. Well Okay Trap Hala just all you trap all just out there. Folks that are finding the traps fixing the traps Is it kind of like somebody that goes through and flips the trap and make sure it doesn't work for the next person if that I mean I think these these are more common. Modern traps sat right Saudis. This stay away from him. The trap teaches you. Okay stay away from this. You see that one right there. You WanNA walk around that one and go this way I can quit. Quicksand is good example. You know We I mean you you remember by this guy so you live in Utah. You remember about four or five months ago someone around Zion National Park got stuck in quicksand and they had a whole story about added. His girlfriend went to go get help and she had to go out about three hours and took about six hours before she came back and then took like five hours to get him out of the quicksand roussell crazy. I don't know if you've never been in quicksand before. But they sit and they say it feels like you have your legs in big concrete slabs. You know it's just incredibly hard and so I like to conjure up that kind of image these these are really things that are really preventing nece and not enabling us to move forward and be successful a lot of times that most most of the Things things to leadership people talk about doing initiatives doing more things you gotta do X Y and Z. You GotTa do these kind of things to get ahead and my approach around leader chip is more about here. Are the things that you need to avoid here. Are the things that you the traps that you need to avoid the obstacles. You need to avoid the things that you should not not do. So it's more about creating you're not to do less the things that you should avoid as opposed to creating a laundry list of things that you should do if you stay away from from these seven things for sure then you have more potential to be a great leader exactly so think about it like driving a car you know if you wanted to. You know obviously to drive a car. You've got to put your foot on the accelerator but if you also have your foot on the brake so you have one foot so you have your right foot on Exceleron your left foot on the brake. You're not gonna go anywhere so the answer is not to push harder on the accelerator with your right foot. The answer is to take take your foot off the brake with your left foot and I think that that's that's good what people don't do is they're always told to push push harder. Put Your foot hard on the accelerator do more initiative. Now it's not the answer. The answer is what are the things that are holding me back in preventing me from reaching my goals older reaching my desired state and it's really more traps and obstacles and it's about take off the break. Wow I love it. Awesome from what. We've we've already been halfway into the interview and we haven't asked any questions yet. This is perfect right Ryan actually just to get to know David you a little little bit better. Let's ask the question. We ask a lot of people that we've last hundreds of people this question. What is Biz for good mean to you? Do you have something in your past. It kind of floats to the top that that that really connected with being good doing good as a business model or as a person as human beings or something. You can tell us about that absolutely so i. I'm a big believer in helping people avoid experienced an actual negative experience and learning from bike areas experience of others. And so what I did in my book TRAP TALES IS I. I was writing this book as a as a kind of regular self help book and I couldn't stand it. I hated my own book after month. So I decided edited just totally changed course and decided to write it in a story so I wrote it in story form in nine people love stories right absolute or you know. The master asked her teacher I think is Jesus Christ and at it he teaches. He taught us to story Teres. Yup so I wrote a story and it was really really hard and I was really bad added at stories and hired some story people to help me and they told me how bad my my story was and I got better. I hope hopefully better before you did but I got better eventually. I started start to love my story and it was really Therapeutic to come in and you know to the office really right story and get into the characters and so forth so I wrote the story about a guy named Alex and his wife Kim and they have two kids Lauren Michael and then they have somebody. That's teaching Alex. Alex has is fallen into all kinds of traps. You know. and He's struggling. His marriage is falling apart to. He's in a tremendous amount of debt. You know he's not happy at work has all all of the traps that I just mentioned and he meets a guide. Whose name is Victoria and Victoria is a trap? Logistic Victoria's teaching Alex had become a trap follows the traps that he's fallen into. Meanwhile he's got another person named Chas who's a CO worker and Chaz is just trying to keep him the status quo trying to keep him where he's at. Don't change. Alex I like it. I like like you how you are and you're trying to. You're trying any change and be different and I want you to do that. And of course you guys remember. Blades of glory. You Know Chazz Michael Michaels. That's where I got some of inspiration as Michael. Here's figure skating. Oh yeah anywhere who I thought Chads and and then I lived in Australia for two and a half years so I got a little of The Australian Chaz in there some Ozzy `ISMs But anyway this book is really about Alex. But it's a lot of it a lot of Alex's me so I'm not I'm not sitting up here on a perch saying hey I'm I'm smarter than the rest of you and I haven't fallen in these traps and I'm going to be your guide and you know and tell tell you about how to avoid these. These are all very personal traps that you know every single one that iphone into and if you read the book you'll see about all the problems that Alex has and Alex is. David and Alex is me so so I I really struggled with a a Lotta these and My passion is in helping people especially young people or entrepreneurs or people who are just starting off in life as men. It would be great if they had some people that helped you along the way and told you you know some things that you should avoid doing or or gave you some really good advice is and so you didn't have to go through some of those same struggles our experiences that most of tend to go through so that's where my passion I love it. Love it love it Awesome Ryan. Yeah thank you so much so the second question is what is your commitment to two. Two living the Biz for good life. What is David Covey's can? What is your commitment to you for being good and do good so I I think I have a lot of teas that That I have That I am helping with personally soy. I I try to do that and I always take time people that Ask for help That's number one. I'm on four. Non Pain Boards That are all nonprofit and and one of them is education organization so I I'm I'm part of that that that's actually a lot of time you know spent on that in In really helping and doing good. So I'm a big believer in giving back. I think that business is a great vehicle for giving back much better at giving back then the government you know so I just think that to America has been a great country country and Utah always at the top of the lesson for volunteerism and for a service and contributions per capita. You know for for the size of the state we are. And I'm proud of that because you look at the state next door and I have nothing against Nevada. But it's the worse I saw you literally have a Utah as the the highest state for for contributions and for for volunteerism and service and EV- Atta right next door which lead the state right next white west of us and it's it's it's it's the worst. Yeah but his gambling. Don't forget that it has gambling. Yeah but that's why is dead. Yeah my point is you gotta you gotTa make conscious effort and a plan you know can't be ad hoc to say you know here's how get back so I do mine too mentorship. I do mine through these. Non Pain Boards. My wife keeps reminding me. Why are you doing that? Are you getting paid for that. No dear yeah. I know I know that feeling at it. There's something about it though. When you give back it fills your cup up so so but I mean you can be successful as the greatest the most successful make the most money but but when you there's nothing that feels better than when you're just giving of yourself totally and and it's and the legacy? The lasting legacy is a lot longer though one's GonNa remember necessarily necessarily what business accomplishments you've you've had but you know if you make a difference in the life of a kid or or a life of somebody who is on Maybe a bad trajectory and you help kind of rely on them and help them It can change not only them but it can change the their their our married life and their family life and and future generations. So it's absolutely critical awesome. I love it. It's the ripples. We make absolutely absolutely absolutely so our listeners. We like we always like to have a our guests. Come on and Kinda give our listeners gold nugget or maybe a call to action what is theirs. There's is there something that you could give our listeners to take away from you know maybe the the number one thing about traffic. I mean whatever you come up with Is there something you could give our listeners. That that that they could use. Yes so I think that Golden Nugget that I have have is about doing things differently. It is really not a plane. The conventional approach it's not eventual approach. And I love what you guys said Misfits outcasts renegades and it's true that The conventional protest work outage. And that's why people are stuck in so many of these traps is because they're trying to get out in the conventional way and it doesn't work so does even in the insight that I said the Keita heated ready achieving your goals and getting to a different desired state is not doing more initiatives doing more activities. It's it's about doing is is not doing things. It's avoiding things that are preventing you from doing that. So for example give it a example of weight loss us so I'm probably about twenty pounds overweight and I always kind of go through this ritual of every new years. This is the a year that I'm going to do it. And and a lot of people do that at at what they do is they go and they and they go to the gym in January and they make them sign a year contract you know and and what did the gym clubs do that because they know that they're not going to see the guy in February racing January but but the key to losing weight eight is not yes WanNa do you want to eat right and and and exercise and do all those things but most of the culprits of why we don't lose. The weight is the things that we do that way. Like you know like going to movie giving the big giant Tub of popcorn which they say is like equivalent like eating five big MACs you know or mate night binging right you too late. I mean maybe if you learned and it's not going to eat after six PM it's probably one of the best things you can do but green tastes so good at ten thirty. Oh is cream. And then there's certain there's certain foods you know that. Just maybe you're kinda culprits. That are going to prevent us from you. You know achieving weight loss goal so that that's what I'm suggesting is you gotTa really think differently. Think outside the box do the non unconventional approach in terms of you know when you have challenges or problems you know focused on the non-conventional approaches. So my whole book is about that so I talked about the seven traps. Then I talk about the seven unconventional non-conventional approaches to you know to get out of the straps and they're very very different. You want me to give away one. Radical example yes love it. A radical advanced example so wound up in in the book. One at the traps is that as the debt trap and and in and people have a lot of you know a lot of problems with with debt. And I'd talking about debt you know credit carte debt consumer debt and so forth that necessarily mortgage because most of us have a mortgage and But YOU WANNA get rid of that debt to but that the conventional the approaches to budget and I don't know about you but my wife and I tried budgeting and what we ended up having is a bunch of arguments and getting into a whole a discussion about needs and wants and you know I mean what is the need. And what is a want. These big debates and budgeting is very monotonous sentence. And it's it's it's it's tough and it's boring in and it's all about you know things that we can't do and you know there's no fun in it so what we've done in. This is a story in the book. And it's also a real story are in my own life with my wife and family. We put together this debt snake and this debt snake represented all of the debt that we had and we put it in our kitchen family room area so anybody. Nobody could see this big snake you know all of these numbers of Representative of our consumers align is this. Is it a drawing or a paper debt yet drawing at and it was like eight feet long and and we had had you know the body of it at the different increments debt that we had and so we had the total there but what we did is that we put. We started focusing on the debt snake and we got our kids involved in it and it was incredible. What happened so what happened is that we got so excited about making progress on eliminating our debt and anytime we eliminated in our debt? We started to cut up the snake. The the debt paper sneak manner. Kids insisted on cutting them up and we would have our kids say stumped me like stuff flake. Well I wanted to buy them. But I don't want to add to that stupid debts nick so I'm not going to get that Lego Dad and and it was incredible now. We are ended up doing a lot out of the same things that you would do if you were you. Know following a more stricter budget but we did it in a fun way and it was a different way and it was about succeeding in eliminating donating your debt and we ended up eliminating all the debt that we had the consumer day. We had it in about two years and we had tried two years before you had no success. Nothing happened. Nothing went different and And so anyway. So that's an example of a really different approach to eliminating debt. It's really a non-conventional approach in eliminating debt score boarding it getting excited about the progress that you're making getting the family involved. It was a game changer. Force awesome. I love it love it love it. Love it wow. Wow Yeah I sometimes I sit here when we have guests on and you say stuff and then I I forget that I'm on the show because I'm sitting there thinking about lake on so I apologize if I look like homer Simpson there just for a second all right donuts. That's right no it's just I I love. I love anything unconventional. They say when everybody's going one direction if you WANNA make a difference go the the other direction and that's where you'll make a difference and I think that's the kind of the same concept and I love it I'm Totally engaged and I think our listeners. Absolutely she'd get the book and and check it out so you do one thing listeners. Try this instead of Fighting over your budget with your spouse try putting together a dead snake paper debt. Snake you can create your own or send me an email and I can send you pictures of my elaborate debt snake. By the way I have one now so I'm a keep doing it if it works. Yeah I I've fallen into this debt snake trap again so But do it at an. I promise you it will work. I guess excitement meant and motivation around eliminating your debt and that that carries the day. This is a lot stronger motivation than than the monotony of a budget. I love it. Love it we think the show also talks about workplace We're kind of wrapping up things. Here what are some some things you would like to address with workplace traps. Yeah so let me let me address one. That is something that's not really talked about that much. And I call this. The trigger trap and the trigger trap is allowing a motion to taint your perspective and a lot of us are not even aware of some of us aware of our triggered and some of us are not aware of our triggers. And I think that a lot of times type. We don't really have a plan for well. First of all you gotTa know what your triggers are. So we help we help people understand what. What are the potential triggers that you may have? And then secondly we help them have a strategy and a plan for how they're gonNA address Those triggers most people have have the two responses to triggers they either aggressively confront or they actively avoid situations and people that set off. Okay and so this. This is kind of the fight or flight kind of kind of response you either you get really angry or you just kind of avoid this kind of you know sign off And that's not really good effective approach in dealing with your triggers One Trigger that I have is is when people take credit for my work and I you know I. I used to be a company where I would have a boss that would take credit for my idea and and say that it was their own idea at so that was one trigger for me in the workplace. So what what what would I maybe do differently. You know in that situation. I think that what I would do is I would go to with my boss and say hey I feel like I. You know that was my idea that you shared and you kind of took credit for it being your idea and animal kate. You know if you like the idea and so forth but I appreciate you know. Some acknowledgement credit kind of work came from. And so you know so that situation in may be at you know it. May it may occur differently in the future If I did that I have one. Personal trigger is when I'm driving. I hate driving behind slow drivers I really do and it just drives me crazy. That's everything in the world to do. Sorry Mary that's two things that I do number one is I stop and I breathe so I started control. My breathing and number two is a makeup story. Oreo what happened to that person. It's driving in that car as to why you're driving so slow. They must have just lost their job or they must have had some someone die in the family and I realized that it's really not that important that I'm GonNa get upset and And and try try try to drive crazy pass them you know or or do something stupid and so I have a plan for doing that. I think a lot of us at work. Don't really have a plan on how we're going to broaden our perspective and manage the triggers that we face it work eleven eleven. Awesome Well David. Thank you so much for being on the show this is. I think we've gotten a lot of insight as super cool Is there anything being last words any any how we how folks can get a hold of you. How do they get their book All that good stuff is any any last stuff you can work up to say. Yeah if you just if you just Google my name David. Mr Cubby you you you. You can find me and find the book and coming in and untrue in facebook so forth and you can find any anything around tramp allergies like you said I've made the word Two years ago so So you can find me there. I I guess my last message would be really the message of hope. And and it's really the belief when I was at Franklin Covey we had a lot of people go through the training and they were impacted positively by the training. Some of them were older people that sad man. I wish I had this. You know when I was when I was twenty years old. Now I'm seventy But the message I'd like to leave is the message of hope and and the hope is a a and and the reality is that we can change the trajectory of our life at any stage of our life so it doesn't matter what we've done in the past got leave the past pass behind not dwell on it focus on it. You know Myron it a lot of people do that and you have to say. Hey look you know I gotTa start where I'm at and you just move Ford and you really can change your whole life. You know at any time so you can be you know. I started my own business this at age forty four my dad was a professor at Byu for twenty five years before he decided to start Covey leadership center which then became Franken a So he was fifty years old. He had nine kids any and it started a whole new career. A whole new business. Someone like Winston Churchill. You Know Oh Didn't become prime minister until he was sixty five years old so Your greatest work always ahead of you and he shouldn't rest on your laurels. Listen just realize that that your greatest work is always had of you and live life. Live life in Crescendo. So that would be. That would be my final message. I love it love it. Love it Ryan. You WanNa take us out any last words. Now it's been a great episode. A grateful US came with us and brought some truth bombs and jumps pumps at your museums truth. Ballsy it's obviously made you feel better. Yes I'm not so green sophomores talk but you want some more. You WanNa take us out Ryan and we always end the show with the Hashtag ASHTEC. Biegel do good and we do it three times. We get louder and Rayleigh on the third so you can follow along with us or just enjoy the the craziness go hashtag be good. Do good the Hashtag beleaguered do good has brigham the Dow and That's thank you for listening listening to the super good show podcast. We WanNa thank our fans and guests on the show be sure to check us out on all our social media platforms facebook facebook twitter and instagram. 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E113 Embracing the Coaching Culture with Sarita Pittman

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E113 Embracing the Coaching Culture with Sarita Pittman

"Welcome to the Pittsburgh good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for the be good at doing good movement. We spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty, and creating an environment of connection the showing the true secrets is excess at creating a life of greater impact. So come on board and create your own phys for good life. Welcome to the biz for good show with your host, Bobby James and Ryan Pilkington today. We're flying solo. Well, not really we have on tro in the hot seat for Bobby Glenn James, and he'll talk to you more about the episode. All right. So today, we have a great wonderful guests that we're excited to talk to today. Her name is serita Pittman, and she is known as the lady wealth builder. Pittman is a serial entrepreneur and the founder of the Georgia base. A terrorist international coaching academy Pittman is a master at business making a terrorist world's top resource for life coaches. She earned her million dollar at the age of twenty seven as a salon older since then Serena has since me systems reader started and scaled many businesses that were six and seven figure enterprises. Now, she teaches others how to do the same because of her passion to educate and give back so Rita. Also is a philanthropist and give her from the depths of the soul and also vicious woman. Helping entrepreneurs grow their bottom line to read her complete bil-. Make sure you go to the show knows from this episode. Welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for being on the show. We appreciate it. But in honor. Thank you. Yeah. You know, I looked up the word auspicious because I didn't know what that was in means giving or being a sign of future success. So I love that me too. I look that up. All right. So you were episode one thirteen of the bits for good show. And the title of the show is embracing the coaching the coach the coaching help me out street, coaching culture. Culture. With Siri Pittman and. Just a little bit about the show. Bis? Forget show is to fun. Adventurous entrepreneurs sharing their experience of the real secret to success in business doing all things with the be good. Do. Good mindset. There is so much bad noise in the world. Let's fighting instant always and flooded with the good Gooding, the noise, and you can find us on Stitcher. Facebook, I g I tunes in podcast outlets near you. Right. Right. Man. So we want to encourage you to go to Instagram and share your stories in the good stories that you have out there. Just do hashtag Gooding instant noise. Yeah. And then we have checklist we have a checklist. Dontrelle digital. No. I did not. So you can go to checklist biz for good show dot com in on their you're going to get a free link to some challenges they going to challenge your business to do. Good. And some do some do good practices. And if you do all this on there, you will be a graduate of the be for good. Yeah. Kademi? Asom, and then we have an affiliate program that can earn you some money, actually, it's called builder Alta millions. There's an affiliate program, and you just go to build they're all millions in you'll click on filial builder on a millions of great platform. If you want to build a website, you webinars create sales funnels, it does it all man, and I was showing that early day. So it's pretty cool stuff. Right. Yes. It is. All right. We'll things again cerita for hanging in there. Why we do all that opening fun stuff? We have lessons in leadership today. We're doing Acuna a just kind of open discussion on leadership, and I wanted to talk about communication and just want to get your two cents on communication in the workplace or in coaching in whites important. Communication people say a lot of times at the breakdown of relationships, especially marriage is money. The breakdown of relationships is because unsettled unforgiveness unsettled issues are unforgiveness, and it really boils down to the breakdown of relationships is the lack of communication communication is the foundation of every relationship, whether it's a working relationship, a romantic relationship of business relationship, everything centered around communication and often times especially in the world today where everything is technology driven. And we could text messages sent emails we don't really do that face to face communication anymore. So when it comes time to have a hard discussion with an employee or a fellow team member. We don't know how to do it because we have to talk to be we can't just tax people on that you come to my office. Then. Or go look able I I wrote you can't do that. And we we're we have three honestly as the culture to Apple's our discussion is so important and in the career industry. I'm sorry. The coaching career industry is centered around the nation. We we talked to our clients to help them reach their goals. So communication cannot be avoided. It's a necessary evil, and we must be unafraid to confront those heart issues when it comes to communication. Jimmy tube stead, if they're struggling in opening a dialogue with someone or something that might help them or starting commu like maybe. Good. No, you're. I always say start off with the question is found spongy or symbol. But how are you? What's going on a lot of times people were mad at people? And we really don't know what's going on in their lives. We don't know. What was really what they're dealing with the back office of their everyday today task. So having a simple conversation getting to know the person on the other side of the conversation asking how they're doing that helps them put their guard down. So then you'll learn how to address them. Should I go with you know, velva? Should I go with white gloves? You know, those kinds of things. What do you think we try to avoid communication just just because of the social? Just the way the climate is with media. I mean, just with our devices and stuff. Mostly. Abilene? So I actually had this happened to me I had someone me they wanna foyer and they quit via text message. Really? That's I mean, really the attacks and they had like seven appointments that day. And then we had to. You know, they didn't respect me. It was because they respected me so much. They were afraid to have a conversation with the nam. So a lot of David, you know, they don't know what we're going to do is she going to go off she gone to snap. This. She go. You know, all those things clear so afraid on the other side of things that we disappointed. So we don't know what's going to happen. So we don't want anything to happen. We just go around it and avoid it. Yeah. I think being transparent helps diffuse some of that. Right. Or what do you think? Well, I was just going to ask. So those kind of situations when you have to have the talk or the conversation based upon you know, what you see as results that may be lacking in their in their job or in their effort. How do you go about doing that in a way that is both respectful, but gets the point across that the has to be those necessary changes. One of the things that it's worked for me over the years is a stabbing a relationship not a relationship that we're going out every single day, and we're Email buddies and things like that. But having just a regular dialogue on a consistent basis. If it's every week. I check in every other day. I create a system that helps me establish a constant threat of communication, so many times we only want to people when they're doing something wrong. What about celebrating their success? Among the way, celebrating what they did do. Right. That way. They're more open to hear something that's going to be constructive criticism or something to improve. Because we've already gave them w we've already made them feel like a winner. So that's how that's celebrate every thing because sometimes we don't get wins. So when you make a person feel like a winner, they know they buy into what you have to say because you're not there to tear them down there to build them up and health. Become better to read. I couldn't agree with you more. Like, I I can honestly say I wish that every manager that I've had to you. Because I think a communications course, he'll where I'm located would be very very welcome and very much needed. Just bring this city. Teach two articles communication now. Right. All right. Hey, I really welcome. 'cause but that's amazing. So you make that communication and you make it a part of a norm. Like an every day, nor were no one is feeling like of the bosses just checking up on me. They know that sincerely you really care and that you are invested and the growth and their wellbeing. Absolutely. You get a person's buying when they believe they have you're buying. You know, that's how it works. You know, you create a relationship, and, you know, people have I have the I don't know what it is. I guess it's a superpower I had intended to be able to with Outkast, you know, the dinners Rahman's of the world. What they listen to you like, I'm hurt. Yeah. Because I mean, like, I'm not there to judge anyone and we're so judgmental forget that. We are. So when you come with this attitude at I'm perfect, you need to come to my level. And they're looking at you like. You know, people like, yes, I may be above you. But you're not beneath me, there's a difference. Nice. Right. I like right equal human beings. That's exactly right. So how are you living the best for good life and business and business in personally? Like, do you have a personal story you'd like to share? Honestly, I have have so many one thing that I wanted to hit on his MiG assure that you have proper work life balance years ago, when I was in cosmetology school fulltime, I was in college I was working fulltime than I was doing everything possibly could to try to succeed rapidly. And I found myself in on us little on a heart monitor having to wear a heart monitor like three or four days. And my doctor said, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm working hard now. So I'm gonna have to work our later, he said, well, if you down you won't do anything and funny, and I was like, oh, wow. And I had to learn how to pace myself that everything is not for today in so many times. We're just in that hurry up. Let's get it done. You know that rabbit in the hair old story really is true. You know, you'd be the rabbit, and you, you know, you think you just do everything. And it's this phone study of wins the race dollar tell anyone to balance. Shit. You know, definitely be vicious, but know, how to pause and take a break. Don't allow what you're building to kill you. And take you out before you can even enjoy it. You got. I mean, self caring in taking care of yourself should be number one all the time. Right. We we oftentimes we wanna take on the world rip off for you remained Cape and take on the world. And we actually had a guest talked about that too. He was taking care of the homeless and stuff. So he was destroying himself down all the time. Take Dhingra other people not himself. So I appreciate that. What is your commitment to step up your biz forget game? And biz forget good being good business in that kind of stuff. Jammie thing. Absolutely. I'm being more visible. I have a great report. I I have the skill to go great report with people, but I'm learning how to be more visible. I am the behind the scenes Anna reader, I like being behind the fake things happen. So over the last few months, I've challenged myself even more to be more visible to be the face to be the voice. So a lot of times you read my information. But you don't know it's me behind that information, you're reading so definitely becoming more visible. And bingo, hey with people seeing me knowing who I am not just my work. So that's one way I challenged myself and act up people all the time you have to get out of your comfort zone. So that's one thing that I really learn how to embrace over the last of over the last twelve months. And I agree. I wanted to ask you to because I noticed again in your bio, it says you earned your million dollar at age twenty seven one or some things you do every day. Like, what's the most important thing that help you balance like you're multitasking trying to really just be the boss and handle all of those responsibilities. I take out to God every day and realizing that it's not on my own merit that I'm here. I can't take her to Ford. I'm not smart enough wise enough, I'm not in business about I'm not gonna I think guy for the brace the heat ins my way. So I don't get area. And soon as I get airgun started messing up. So that always gives me back to thank you that you gave me this opportunity. I'm thankful that you open this door. It's not me. Because soon as the reading is in a way, it's like, I don't know. If you guys are familiar with the jeffersons are either on the they had all the lot. Dr. Dr town, and I'm like oh. Away to get out of the way. That allow God to be done and never take control of any decision that I have. Man sister. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, putting putting spirituality in front of you know, I believe in God too. So definitely put him as my accountability partner. So Christians of in here right now love it. I'm going to church today. Offering go to the house thin. That's the case. All right. So we have a third question here is what is the challenge you you like to give some of our listeners to help step up their game to living a good life. Honestly, audit yourself and business, practices and your results every ninety days. Some people say they do it. Billy people can't so. I mean, I commend because so many times we try to implement something new every five minute. Oh, it worked persona. So let me try to do it. It worked for him. They have a podcast they have them. They'll show I'm to a podcast, and we never ever really achieve anything because we're trying to do too much. So I will say every ninety days implement something small incremental change and in evaluated every ninety days and see if it works Pete things that work and get rid of everything else. I watched to watch the video on that. And you have a really liked that that feedback because a lot of people want like you say wanna take it on? They don't even they don't even have like they have too much already on their plea, and they're trying to take on more than they can. So I I really liked that. Absolutely. Thank you. Oh, yeah. And so the title of the show today is embracing the coaching culture. I got it. Right. This time. And so we just wanna know what's what's going on in Serena's world right now. You know, help out your business your coaching career. And what you're doing right now. Well, right now, I am in the on the side of professional coaching educator. I've teach coaches how to coach I teach leaders ought to prevent burn out by incorporating coaching into their leadership style. And I hope people understand that you can't or sure those on anyone coaching is one of those fields you being the answer. But you have to make sure the person knows that they have a problem. So many times we want people to succeed, but they don't even have a desire of this the they just want to ride our coke sales. And if they don't I'm sorry, if if we allow them we'll get ver- now, we'll be that person. That's always telling person. Hey, you could do it. You can do it. And none of our goes get accomplish. Because we're so focused on drag on people across the finish line when they're not even willing to stay in the race. So understanding how to one of the things that I just wrote an article on and I'm excited about it should be coming out soon as greenhouse effect. You know, you could put. A million plants in the greenhouse, right? And every all the plants are exposed to the same level of water. The hydration is the saying the food is the same all of that is the same. But some of the plans died, it doesn't mean that the owner of the greenhouses rip up greenhouse at all the way if simply mean some of those plants rod in some of them died. So that's what I'm raising the coaching culture is understanding that you cannot save everyone. And that's one of the hardest things for a leader to understand is that you can do your very best. But that doesn't mean you're a failure. When someone doesn't succeed the way that the way you desire to see them succeed. To you. That's true. Yeah. We didn't tell you that. We don't add it. That's all good. Say I was just saying we don't do any editing zone. All good. Are really you. Don't do any other than that. I don't know how to anything. Both on our desk. Here we have don't tap the table, and they tend to tap the tables. It's all good. But you're not here. So how would how would someone like me Ryan or our listeners? How would we be able to have opportunity to work with you or to learn like more from you? Well, you could go go to get coach dot com. That's my NC f- accredited engine certification program. You come through the program after eight week, you'll become a board certified in the area. Right. Your little muffles a little muffled. It's not. Yep. Yes. My now, we can hear good. To get in you can on my coaching certification program. Green. We go to Serena footmen dot com. If you really want to Email me, it really does wants a setup along or. If I get coach not as eighteen eighty eight eight dot com. Some of the sites. Serena dot com. Ekos? Not not awesome. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. So. Yeah. You you could probably move the your phone a little bit further away for better results. Good. So. You like, oh, yes. Good. Yeah. And. Yeah, please please send us and send Ryan that that Email again, I because it was kind of cutting out just a little bit. So I didn't get the last part of it. But if you can send it to him that way. We'll definitely yeah. We already got it. So okay. What will splattered everywhere on our website and Facebook and Twitter. Yes for you. So going back to the leadership part and that you were going into their with the coaching. There seems to be a lot of coaches out there today there you could throw a rock in almost find one. Which is a great thing because there's a lot of opportunity for people to grow. But I think there's some opportunity also for the the coaches and trainers to really take advantage of what you have to offer. So they can be a better coach. Absolutely. Thank you for that. One thing. People need to know how to do to properly coach we oftentimes don't know how to do that. Because we earn our with ourselves. A lot of times we want to coach people pass where we've been so so one thing that a coach must do to be successful as the incident. Your mobile of success of people from. The eagle grin on people. Start on your to your message, and then on the lie going to matter your trial to going to lose customers. I've seen some Ireland that this mound death. That's a very good smile. But I tell people he won't aren't incidentally. And that's the best thing. Coach Indian is just being who's all know they are. And don't pretend you're something that you're not because in this on this day in time of social media market lady will ever want to be on. With tomorrow after totally persona coaching industry. Boasted starts hunters are the better real and the ones that really help with. Awesome. Well, take so much for being on the show and. I look forward to sharing this episode out to two coaches, those of our listeners, so they can gain your wealth wisdom, and I like the fact that you're also, you know, you're in your bio here, philanthropist and giver, and that's definitely a bit for good philosophy. So we're so thankful that you're you're doing that. And the on the show today. Is there anything else you want to say, they're tro? I just wanna say thank you so much. You are really an inspiration being from the south and having grown up like with a single mother and grandmother, it is inspiring to me to see a strong black woman out there, really just, you know, doing doing your part really to make our society, and and just be a mentor to all of us that really sometimes feel like we just can't ever make you know. And and so for me, I just personally love seeing that. Thank you. Thank you so much. They give us an opportunity to share stories and let people know about what we're doing. So thanking stone much I really do opportunity afforded me or the on from was again. Was done. Yeah. We'll we'll have you on again. So you can talk with crazy Bobby gotta have about the everybody's gotta have a about the experience. Yes. That is true. All right. So we always leave the show with the hashtag be good. Do good three times. We get crazy on the third time. Go ahead and leave the show today with that. 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E115 The #1 thing that stops business and people from having success with Luke Watkins

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E115 The #1 thing that stops business and people from having success with Luke Watkins

"Welcome to the Pittsburgh good show where we highlight misfits, outcasts and renegades for the be good at doing good movement. We spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity honesty, and creating an environment of connection. The showing the true secrets is excess at creating a life of greater impact, so come on board and create your own phys for good life. Well. Welcome, welcome to the biz. Oh, I am your host. Bobby James along with the Ryan Pilkington usually but Ryan is not here with us today. So Cedric will be filling in today for Ryan center. Welcome to the show Cedric. Thank you. I know you've got some big shoes to fill, but you're gonna give it your best shot. Right. That's right. I got the nice chair today. Absolutely. Well, welcome everybody. Welcome to the show. We have of course today, an amazing guest today. Amazing guest today is episode one, fifteen episode one fifteen the number one thing that stops businesses and people from having success. And it's with Luke Watkins, ladies and gentlemen, Luke Watkins, the rockstar, dad preneurs in the house himself. Well, he's not actually in the house. He's remote, but still he's really close. We do we awesome, awesome, etc. You wanna you wanna tell us about about who, who is Luke Watkins? Yeah, absolutely Luke Watkins is a business owner, speaker and social media influence or who lives with his beautiful family and ks Ville, Utah. He began the gratitude video journal in two thousand sixteen to challenge himself, and inspire others to make positive changes in their lives. His appeared on several podcasts and live streams and speaks to groups about the power of change gratitude and positively. We're excited to talk to you. Luke is going to be great. Awesome. Well, okay. Everybody. Welcome to the biz for good show where there are two fun. Adventurous, entrepreneurs sharing the experiences of the real secretive. Success in business. Doing all things with a be good do good mindset. There is so much bad noise in the world. Let's fight against the noise and flood the world with the good. Find us on Facebook, Instagram. Twitter tweets and insta- 's and all those different places. We're out there and social media. Please. Subscribe, give us a subscribe connect to us with on tunes and all those other podcasting places out there. We want to say Hello. And of course, if you're interested in being a part of the be good do good movement, and go to biz for good, show dot com biz good show dot com and they're on the front click and get your biz for good show checklist. You're being good and. Doing good checklist. So you can learn how to live your own be good. Do. Good. Hi. Yeah. What are we doing? It this. It's so weird. Where's where's Ryan? Where's ryan? Am I today? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So usually sometimes we'll have a lessons in leadership, and you want. I think we said we maybe wouldn't do that. But I kind of feel like I think, I think I think we could put Mr. walk ins on the spot. And I think he will pull something out what really powerful and can't exciting. So before we get to the interview, Luke, could you give us a tidbit a piece, a lessons in leadership, something that the listeners could could glean from, as a powerful leader that you are some kind of tidbit tool. Course I can man, you can meet. Yeah. But I do feel like put on the spine on my sweat, dripping faces sushi's Ned that, but that's okay. Yeah. The one leadership tip or tidbit that I would give is to lead by example, and live the life that you lead. So don't be hypocritical and teaching lead people had to do one thing that you don't necessarily do. And if you lead by example you will be doing that. So be good do good absolute that, that is perfect. Interesting because we, we do in life, we've, we've had those people that are so called leaders that say one thing and do another. And it's like what do you how you supposed to do that? I remember growing up. I had a buddy, whose parents caught him smoking cigarettes or something, and they mad grounded him and all that, but they smoked, and it was just so weird to me is like, why, why is it a problem because you guys do it? And I just my, my teenager mind, just couldn't wrap around. How can you tell him not to when you're if it's bad than why are you doing walk the walk to? We follow people by watching what they do. We don't do what they tell us to do. We're rebellious humans. I think in what's up tells us, we can't do some what we do. We do it. That's absolute. I know in my past that's definitely been a part of my, my mom. It's gotten me in quite a bit of trouble. And I've had some fun. And I have a feeling Luke, you kind of the same. Yeah. Little bit. Awesome. Well, let's. Sagan. I said, I'm humble about all the fun. I've had in my life. I love it. Humble, that's nice. That's good. I like it so Cedric. So let's put you on the spot. Let's go ahead and start the interview, let's have some fun. I have have a feeling that Luke is gonna be fun. And, and we'll just we'll just wing it and go with it. That's what we do on the show. So you want to ask the first question, -absolutely. So the first question for you, Luke is, how are you living abyss for good life in business? And also, personally, and then do you have a personal story to go along with that? Oh my goodness. Come up with stories and all this stuff. Okay. So business. So how so. And the and the business for good is the be good. Do good, right. Absolute limb. Yes. We believe that being good and doing good is the strongest business model in the world. Totally totally couldn't agree any more. So in my business, I now I'm a coach in a speaker. And I would say that in business. You know what I that the way that I am being good is that I am a good person, right? And there's a lot of people in this industry. I think in the mentor industry that might not have the best reputation and so I have always stood for good. But I don't know if it's just because I was born with a with a conscience, but I, I was raised the way you know, to, to no good from bad and an ethics. But for whatever reason some people don't have that, and I definitely do anybody who knows me knows that I'm just a good guy and, and friendly and really what I wanna do just help people. And so I'm fortunate enough to being a profession. Now that, that I can help, you know, and, and I based my business off of my experience as it like not, like, hey, I heard somebody to this, and it works. I just everything that I've exp. -perienced and lived through, and, you know, made transformations in my life personally, as well as business, and then I can share that those those business tools with others as a coach. So that's probably how I am being doing good in my business in my family life. Those who those those of you who know me or follow me on the Facebooks, I have that group page called rockstar, dad preneurs, and I'm trying to be good and do good as a dad and a lot of people aren't that especially sometimes business. People are entre preneurs, because, you know, if you're not for Noor then you've got, you know, so many things going on. And you want to do everything and conquer the world is one of them, right? And sometimes conquer in the world takes all day nights, and you never see your kids and I wanna make a conscious effort to show people by you know, to how to find that work life, family life, balance, and be able to still make a lot of money and business and be successful. But, but really, what's most important is being a successful dad. So that's, that's how I'm doing my family life. I hope I didn't go off too much or crowd. The Mike Hough. I think that's awesome. One thing because I know you a little bit. The thing with there's a lot of coaches out there. There's a lot of lot of lot of people that are doing coaching, but I think one of the differentiator for you. You've been a successful business person. You, you know, you've done a lot of real estate and, and, and you've kind of you kind of understand what it takes in business to do stuff. And I think that's a, that's a big thing to differentiate you. So what have you can can you tell us a little bit about stuff in the past that you've done, and, and that kind of stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just transitioned into being a coach full time. You know, I never quite categorized, what kind of coaching. I do. I just went through some experiences in my life and put it into coaching program. Start sharing it. I mean if somebody had the label it would probably be called life coaching, but before that I was into real estate investing, and I worked with the larger firm here in town in. The Utah that was a house flipping company. Basically buy houses, fix them, up and flip on for about eight years, and I had done everything from biz. Let's see marketing sales management project management construction management, people management middle management. To running financials and doing some accounting and budgeting and stuff like that. So have some experience with being able to be flexible knowing a lot about that. Specific industry and. Yeah learned a ton about myself, you know, how to manage myself, and y you know, as far as time management in balancing the family work life. Because, you know, if anybody's in real estate Knowsley, like you basically, a work twenty four seven, especially, like real estate agents, a lot of those people may work at nights when everybody, you know, their wives and kids are at home waiting for him. But that's when their clients your home, and that's the only time they can go look at houses. So so it's a tough industry as far as that kinda stuff. But I had to learn real really quickly just one quick story is what I got started. I started as the incoming lead acquisitions manager in an I took all calls from the direct mail marketing, or internet marketing that we were doing and whenever we would do a big marketing push, you know, like thousands of may. Taylor's or a new ad or something. My phone would blow up. I mean literally like twenty four seven for like anywhere from, you know couple of days to a week and, and I had to figure out that okay? I can just returned that call tomorrow, otherwise, I'll be divorced. And my kids, will miss me. So, so I had to figure that stuff out rather quickly. Awesome. I think that, that good. Wow. I'm having a hard time without Ryan's interesting presence, so we're usually, I'm all over the place. And I'm interrupting Ryan constantly and, and he is trying to get a word in edgewise. And so I'm it's weird. It's weird to be without pay. Not awesome. I do weird. I love weird. Let's, let's keep ones are well, then let's, let's go with what we like to do is shake it up a little bit on the show and kind of ask, what can Luke walk-ins due to take his be for good do good up a notch. What could Luke due to step up your own game? I just thought your commitment, I just thought of something crazy, we love crazy here at the bids for goods. Right. But I wonder if it's if it's better suited for question three. So let me just say, then you tell me, but so in my they can go together, you know. Okay, okay. And you know this about me, Bobby, maybe don't remember. But like I went through this phase, where I did all these crazy thirty day challenges to do wild and crazy things and the first one I did was to express something I'm grateful for everyday on video on Facebook. And then the second one I did was I ran a marathon in thirty days, I. Challenge myself to do that. And then after that, I did thirty random acts of kindness in the list goes on and on a book, Bob. But, like, what if we did some kind of crazy, thirty day challenged or myself, and I would put it on Facebook every single day, so that I'm being held accountable because you can see them doing. I don't Facebook. I like where this is going. This is going. As far as what it is. I don't know. I think for OPEL you guys can think to, you got something Cedric about thirty day challenge. Thirty day challenge. Man. I guess it could be anything mental mental exertion or physical a different book every day plow through a whole book. All my gosh. That would be thirty bucks. Thirty days. Thirty. Male you don't mess around setter because, like, we gotta go go how about. How about what, what about this? What about if we find? Some positive message that's already out there and reposted or something, I don't know. I just throwing it out here too. We're brainstorming at this point. Right. All brainstorming love the freaking. Book. It takes thirty days. But that's huge man, I was thinking when you said the word book, I'm like, hey, what if I read, you know, for an hour every day, that that'd be something but, but I like your idea to Bobby finds something positive in reduced because not only my spreading the positivity of the bee doo, bee doo good. But I'm also helping somebody else. Put it on. Right. So. I think I might be committed to that, too. And if we could get listeners to be committed to that you up for it centers. I like it. We. Is there a biz for good Facebook page? There is there is a biz for good page. We, we have thousand followers are likes. I mean, I guess is that the same thing as followers. And we do we do post a lot of stuff. But, but a lot of it is automated posting of good stuff. But I, I kinda think we, we, we need to go find something every day. What? How do you guys feel about that? Yeah. Go find something to find something on either either reposted on Facebook or on wherever we see it. Unfortunately, we won't see much in the news because there just isn't that good. Good stuff in the news. I think I think what would be cool as. Yeah. Find something positive some positive message and then shared on your biz for good page, and then also your personal page. So like double dipping. I like it. It's good way to visit some of our past acquaintances to have really good movements. You know, the past hundred and fourteen people are those little more. That's a good idea. We can go out and reach out to those and Ryan. I know Ryan's listening Ryan, you'll be a part of this, dude. So. You have to commit to so sorry Ryan, you're committed to. Sorry you committed to doing good. Sorry. Sorry, this is all his idea anyways, so. He's the one that started this though. So I like it. Oh, this is crazy. Okay. This is this is this will keep us going for thirty days. So what is today? The nineteenth eighteenth eighteen. So sometime next month. I'm going to write in my calendar right now every day to do this. I don't forget, what's remind myself, you have to reposted and put your thoughts about it or just why somebody should go and check out support movement. Yeah. What do you think should we define it a little bit more? Or is it just you feel it? That day is long. You re posted and you either engage with it or you just post it because you think it's cool or you have a hey guys, please check this out because this is really worth seeing. What do you guys think? I just don't define it too much. But, but like I mean 'cause you could like I mean I'm friends with a lot of people that just post, you know, those pictures with a positive quote, right? Like you just find one of those put it on the biz for good page, and then shared your page. But what would be cool is, if we all interacted on the biz for good show? So it's like ooh. That was cool balanced cool down would be a good positive conversation going for the next thirty day every day for the next today's I like that. Okay. So here's my one challenger my one thought. So we used to do this live. We used to do the biz for good show live. But now you know we're a couple of weeks out. So this this airing this show won't won't come for another two weeks. Do we want to wait for two weeks or do we want to just kind of build it up? Or what do you guys think it, it was, it was fun when we did stuff live? Well, yeah, we're going to we're going to challenge ourselves get going for the next two weeks. And then plus thirty days. Like it. Issue. No two week warm up to. Yeah. So people will listen to the show and go, okay, let's see. They are doing what they said. So, so we're going to have to stay stay connected and stay on each other's social media, and this is cool. Oh my gosh. Is this going to be fun? All right. Ice. Luke, you have struck again. This is powerful. This is powerful is. We got a little bit of a we, we got some. We got four movements already me, usage and Ryan. That's that's five isn't it? That's fine. Not for I'd never math was never my picks. So our third question, usually is what can we ask the people to do to up their game? But I think like you were saying wanted to are, are two questions that we're putting together. So we are reaching out right now as people are listening to the show commit to do in the thirty day challenge of pudding. Reposting sharing some powerfully good message that you see every day, or even just like a meme that says, you're a beautiful wonderful person, or, or a statement that says, you know your loved or just any anything like that. I love it. I love it. We're gonna flood that we're going to flood the market with some good, baby. That's what it's all about. Awesome. That's you know that's what I try to do all the time, regardless. But this is bringing it to the people, make allowing everyone else to do it, right. Oh, okay. We need to do more. We need to do more of this kind of thing to get people really get Luke, thanks for coming on the show because you've just breathed some, some new life into biz. Forget good. We like to ask. You know, we want to open up because the title of the show is the number one thing that stops businesses and people from having success. And I know we always ask our guests to come up with the title, so we know that you kind of have a relationship with this with this question. Can you tell us can you tell us about it? Tell us about this whole concept and can we talk about it for a Louis shor short. So gosh, without without being too long winded, and didn't share in my whole life story. We still got like twenty minutes of. Oh, well, if anybody wants to read my book, but I'll try to sum it up. What's the name of your book? It's called it's never too late. The journey of change. On amazon. No, my website, loop Watkins dot com. L or you can just DM me or something on Facebook. I just self published it. You know, I just made myself I need to get it on Amazon. Everyone keeps saying what give a done now. Sorry, I'm doing dozens thinks he's not an entrepreneur, anything that has a couple fire nothing like that. I got a voice mail today from somebody that, that said, I haven't note here from the last person that talked to you, and it says, shiny, objects in drum going on all of lice. That makes me feel wonderful. But anyways, so the, the, the story of my life is, is basically that spent a lot of times without direction. I thought I wanted to be a rockstar, so I spent a lot of time just playing in bands, and all the fun that came along with that. Like I said, I'm kinda humble about all the fun I had, but, you know, the typical sex drugs, rock and roll lifestyle, for the majority of my life about twenty years, and it all kinda came to a head not too long ago. Actually about six years ago, almost now man, I've been saying five years for so long now it's almost six years. But April eleventh, two thousand gosh. I don't even remember. No, I can't do Matthew Bobby, my, I crashed my motorcycle while I was drinking driving. And I to this day have no idea what happened. Other than that, I was drunk in, in high, but I woke up in the middle of the street to some kid. Walking by asking me if I was okay. And I just was fuzzy shook. My head and looked around my, you know, my motorcycles laying ten feet away, and I've just like what the heck is I had no idea what was going on. But a funny thing happened that day like a part of me died, and it was that rocker, you know, or that, that party animal that was in me, because I had been drinking myself to sleep for a really long time at least ten years, and, you know, done all sorts of things that I regret and shouldn't have because of the decisions I made when I wasn't thinking, clearly, but that was kind of the pivotal moment, you know, where the defining moment in my life where I said this enough is enough, and I need to change my life, basically, and from that day on, I have never drank or done anything else, I found God, and, you know, done that whole thing, but it was a very difficult time and I went through this transformation process in anybody who's made a chair. Change in their life, a drastic on such as that might relate that it wasn't easy, and it took a long time. But now in hindsight, looking back, I had to define clearly what I wanted in my life. And part of that process was defining what I did want and that was the drinkin- in that lifestyle. And since then I've kind of created this, this whole process in program of being able to get clear on what you want in your life, and recognizing that, that itself clarity in particular, is ultimately the starting point to all success in, if you think about in your personal life or in your business life. If you don't have a vision or a plan or goals or activities that help you support your goals, you're not going to succeed, you know, and it's funny to say because we were talking about, shiny, objects in showman, being an entrepreneur and stuff. But. But it's true, right? Because if you don't have some sort of plan or goal that you're working towards you kinda just aimlessly going through motions, you know, in you're not really going to achieve success that you want, we all deserve an simplest just kind of getting clear and so clarity is the number one thing that, that I know from my experience, I was waiting for it. I was wondering what? Layers. Just getting clear on what you want in your life, and in your business both. I mean so can you imagine you know, you know, imagine or think of some successful business that everybody knows like McDonald's if they didn't have a goal like would not be successful. They would be going cutter and out of business. Right. You know what I mean? Or I mean can you think in and I always talk about this with people at work with. But like think of somebody's successful like is there any way that they don't know what they're doing now? There's no way in hell. Right. I mean they, they have to know what they're doing. Meaning they have a vision. They have a plan to have a goal in. So in business, if you're not clear don't have a business plan, or, or don't know where you're going or what you're working towards you're not gonna get there. Can you get to where you don't know where you're going? And I use this, I use this analogy, you know, those maps that when you go to the mall, where they tell we're all the stores are and then there's a big star as you are here directories. And then, once you once you figure that out, you're like, okay storm here and there were wanna goes over there. So it goes both ways you gotta be clear on where you're at in your life, and be honest about that, except that a clear about that first and then determine oh, I'm going to nordstrom's and I'm here. Okay. That's where I'm going so a lot of time. And this was part of my chance. Formation is like I get really clear in except acceptance was huge for me and hard of where I was at my life man. I mean I was at the lowest point ever. I mean I almost lost my wife, my family, I could have died. I could've killed somebody else. I mean when I walked home that night. That's mention with the scratch on my ankle. I think I've guardian angels because I didn't even barely get hurt. But, but it was definitely a wake-up call. And part of me died that night but. I had to figure out an except where I was at my life, you know. And I think a lot of people, you know, a lot of people, especially midlife have what's called a midlife crisis crap. How did I end up here? Right. Well, maybe you didn't have the clarity in maybe didn't have the vision and doing that, whatever the reason, you know, for me was just partying fuzzy mindset or whatever. But so that's it man. I mean clarity if you get clear on what you want, where you're at in your life, your at the starting point of moving towards better things, whatever that may be an I always tell people success is different for everybody. I mean, some people all they care about as being the best mom in the world, right? Some people wanna make five million dollars every month. You know, other people want to be the best dirt dirt bike motorcycle jumper. You know. And so, that's what's cool about in unique about everybody is that we are cooling, unique and define what successes that's that's you gotta get clear on that too, and then negotiatia dreams, but get a plan and have some goals. And, and then yeah, obviously, we could dive deep deep deep into that stuff. Yeah. That's the number one thing it might in. And that's what I that's what I teach people I love. And I think to add to that for, for me, I think knowing what you don't want is almost as important or. Some so many people wake up hating what they do you know, and they're like, what, how did I get here and why am I stuck here now because I have a family and, but I have all these dreams of doing this other stuff. But now I'm doing, you know, Megan enough money where I can't quit this stuff. So I, I think sometimes understanding what we don't want is important so we can. So we can be clear on what we do want. What does it take to get to that point? I guess, for bobbie-ann Luke to you talked about your experience, Lucan the, the motorcycle crash, then people who probably most people the mid life crisis. And that's when they achieve this clarity is at a decision that somebody can just, you know, decide to have clarity and set some goals early on in life. Or does it take maybe more dramatic experience for that to happen? Bobby do you want to answer? I go ahead. Wow. When you don't have when did this. When did you know I think? Is I've talked about this, a lot of times, a lot of the of the guru personal development gurus out there. We'll tell you it can happen, just like that. You can change your mind, just like that. And, and I don't necessarily believe that I think you can tell your conscious mind stuff like that, but until you're sub-conscious gets it. It's not going to change. And I think just like in finally, your, your motorcycle, wreck, your sub conscious said, okay. This is not acceptable. This is not again. I, I think I've been through that same experience with, with the relationship with my wife and, and, you know, a lot of people know, my story, whatever, and we married twenty three years last week, but they were they were not all the best years of my wife's lives because I was kind of a a lot. And so, I think I my subconscious finally came to the conclusion that Bobby you need to be accountable for your free in life. And until our sub conscious gets there. I believe we gotta keep pushing pushing our subconscious, what do you think Luke? Yeah. So I agree. I like almost one hundred percent but I would probably use different words to describe it. I would when this all happened to me in my life. I kept thinking man is there is there no other way to people like have to hit rock bottom to wanna make a change. And I really thought that was the case for the longest time. And I still do believe that although I don't think you have to hit rock bottom, but it's, it's more what you're saying, Bobby in the way, I'll describe it is. I think that like the habits that we've created a make add up to this identity that we become right? Like for me it was the drink in the smoke in the party in the rock and roll that I created this identity of will this who I am. And that's how I have to act. And but then all of a sudden I didn't wanna do that. So I was having this identity crisis with myself because I knew it didn't want to do that. So it's super challenging in and I think I think some people can just say you know what? I, I'm gonna change amid the change, and I've seen people do that. But I think for most people, it's probably harder because of what you said, Bobby in, in the way. I describe it as like we built up all these different experiences in actions inhabits, Noor lives that it tells our subconscious. Well, that's yard. Don't change. You can't change. You told me this I why from all your actions. So now have to do that. But yeah, man, I it's, it's a tough thing it's, it's a really hard thing, and I don't have the answer that, because like I said, I always wanted to like when I started this journey, like sharing my story and stuff, like I kept I kept thinking, while I'm sharing my story, so that people will have to go through through went through excuse me. But then I started saying that to myself, wait a minute. Like maybe they do have to go to go through it or go through some experience themselves to get to where they need to get to. Is that make sense? Like, like I'm great will now that I've gone through all the experiences that gone through now obviously, it sucks bad big time when we go through crappy experiences life, but, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty in, you know, now, I'm grateful because if I wouldn't have lived the life, I did crash, my motorcycle, you know, moved to Utah moved up the end like met the people, I've met, like would be lamb day, love the person. I'm today in grateful. That doesn't mean it was easy at sock. And I don't know if I even answered your. Absolutely. I think you did. I think you answered the question it. Okay. Life is an interesting journey. And I am a firm believer that the so-called bad stuff in our life, is what creates us into the powerful human being that we are if we let it because some people, let it create them into something that's not so great. We see it all the time. There's at one person that comes from from a really hard, shipped life with hard, parents, or, you know, dysfunctional, blah, blah, blah, and they become a great human being, and that an another person that's has even the same kind of life becomes, you know in prison and I it is a choice, it, absolutely. I say it over and over again, life either sucks. Or it's great. Which one do you want? You just have to choose it. Well, Henry Ford always said it, right? Whether you think you can't you think you can't you're right. You know. Yeah. I was gonna say that. Yeah. Everything's choice. Ultimately, it all comes down to choice, but it's just how we all arrive at that choice. Absolutely. Will Luke, thank you so much for being on the show. This is I think been enlightening. This is good stuff. You know, I I've known you for, I think a few years down. And I love watching what you're doing. And seeing you, you're just always got, you know, I'm an also an energy person, you and me or both kind of high energy folks. And, and it's kind of I love, I love your energy. I love seeing you getting all excited about the stuff you have so much passion, and I love that we need more passion out there in the world. And we're going to go do it in for thirty days. Aren't we guys forty five days? Awesome. So how can people get a hold of Luke? How can they find you? What are some links and social media all that stuff? Sure. Sure. So, yeah, I mean on Facebook, I'm Lou Watkins, I have a group called rockstar, dad preneurs on Instagram on rockstar underscored add preneurs, and I have Luke Watkins dot com. Very good arm. We'll put all the links in, in, in the podcast and stuff too. Well, Luke, thank you so much for, for being on the show and giving us your insight, do you wanna you wanna take us out Cedric? Sure, we, we like to, to finish every show with hashtag be good do good. We say three times, and we all lose our minds on the last one later as we go. That's right. You ready, Luke? Okay. Let me just be clear. We have to say hashtag, I. Yes hashtag Biegel do good three times. Get louder each dot okay garden because of the remote will probably click each other out. It'll be great. All right. Hashtag be good. Do good. Biegel. Good. That's right. Thank you for listening to the biz for good show podcast. We wanna thank all our fans and guests on the show. Be sure to check us out on all social media platforms. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for your host, Bobby, Glenn James and Ryan Pilkington. This is Tim Jackson saying, get out and do some good now go.

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 What has changed since the Stonewall rebellion?

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What has changed since the Stonewall rebellion?

"Today, fifty years on how the stonewall rebellion change the world for the LGBT community, and, in opinion, Lucy Siegel on how to wean yourself off ultra cheap clothes, and fast fashion. Just want to start with a wounding. There is a tiny bit of swearing in this episode. This is now. So I'm sitting with Tommy Lanigan Schmidt, whose New York artist with sitting in his very small and credibly cramped. Art studio surrounded by powder paints, and glistening kind of foils, which is kind of art that he does the picture men. Right. You never saw the picture. Oh, I should show you the picture because the pictures, a kind of very important. We're looking together at this photograph black and white Grady, image of a group of young people standing under the storm, we'll end sign in Greenwich Village in New York, June nine hundred sixty nine and they're on the right hand side of the photograph is this young guy? He's wearing a stripy t shirt and gold chain around his neck curly hair, looking really kind of excited and smiling at the camera and that is Tommy age. Twenty one is rounded by all his mates. They've come out the stonewall inn. They being in the rebellion itself and suddenly, have this photograph taken and it's like you have to kinda step back tiny bit to, to know what an astonishing image that is because for gay people in June ninety sixty nine to appear together in the street even of Greenwich Village, which was the most famous most populated neighborhood in the world. Even for them to do that before the rebellion. They would have been immediately arrested thrown into please. Cars and held overnight. They are celebrating each other on the street of New York. It's kind of a revolutionary moment captured in this one image. That image could only have been captured after an uprising outside and I connect New York Gaber exactly fifty years ago this week. It was a night that changed the world from the guardian. I'm initiative Astana today in focus, the stonewall rebellion remembered by the people who were there. Well, I don't think you can understand the stonewall rebellion and is significance. Unless you understand what life was like the day before. I mean, so if the rebellion broke out at one twenty in the morning on June the twenty eighth nineteen sixty nine you go to know what life was like on June. The twenty seven nine hundred sixty nine. At Pilkington is chief reporter for guardian US like anyone. I knew that there had been discrimination against the algae BT community. I had no idea of how blind kit. It was how uniform it was. And how total, it was I came across his image of something that happened one week before the stonewall rebellion local park in queens in a neighborhood called Q guns, a fairly leafy middle-class area local residents had discovered, or they're being rumored that gay men were coming together at night, when the part was entirely empty, and we're using it, as a meeting place, under this love Elaine of trees. So the local residents started to gather and they've started form vigilante groups and sometimes those groups who was large as forty people strong, and they started to prow through the park looking for the game. Then when. I found any gay man. They would be a very powerful torchlight, but they were carrying into the faces of gay men and tell them unless they got out of the park, immediately and never came back. They would be attacked. There was something in the because of the game and refused to do that they refuse to leave. So you could already see the sort of first seeds of resistance of saying, we're not gonna do this anymore, not gonna be coward anymore. And told what to do any more the vigilante groups when away they went home? They scurried around that tool kits. They brought back swords and axes and they chopped down all the trees in the park. The please sat outside the park in the car, and they watched and for me that was just the most extraordinary image of the kind of blanket discrimination that they had to put up with it was all against them. I mean this kind of because cheat institutionalized totally. I mean, let's not forget, it still is federal. There is still no law against discrimination for gay people in housing employment. But at that time, it was entirely institutionalize to the extent of those only one St. Illinois. In which it was legal to do sexual acts relating to sexual activity, and it went firm that in seven states, you could be legally castrated if you having consensual sex in your home just being gay then was being a criminal. I mean, the liberal would would say you should be giving shock treatments. They thought that was nice because it conservative, which say you should be thrown in jail. So MRs like New York, it's kind of you have to pinch yourself is meant to be the bastion of liberal politics in America, if not the world, but even the liberal friends, quote, unquote of someone like Tommy, they thought they were being nice to him by saying to him that he was mentally ill. He needed treatment, including electroshock treatment, involve dying gatemen, pictures, nude males and shocking. They asked on the current. Over a short period of time he will be on able to get sexually aroused to the pictures, and hopefully we'll be able to get sexually aroused inside and other settings as well. I'm not a joke, and it was not a sort of light threat because until nineteen seventy three the main national society for psychiatrists in America in their official list of mental conditions deemed homosexuality as a mental illness. Just say for the benefit of my Shania. Tell me who you are. How old you are and little bit about your relationship. Stay more. My name is Jim Ferraro. I'm seventy seven years old. And you're in the apartment that I lived in nineteen sixty-nine, which is a couple of Bursch short blocks away from Christopher street on the stone, I got fired from three different jobs, because I was gay a member working Eastern Airlines as reservations clerk, and one day they came to me and said, are you homosexual and I said, yes, fired, and I had no recourse on that, you know, and it wasn't that I done anything I wasn't blowing someone in the men's room. I wasn't coming onto some superior. Just the idea that my behavior indicated to them, but I was homosexual. You could not be out, you lead dual wives. Eanet, loads of people reported on this Jim foru- Tommy, many of this, did they tell you. They were physically threatened up slowly. I mean like you, when I came to interview these people, I started with questions like that. Violence yourself, lots of times, that's just something they kind of gave me looks because he's like, Hello street term for that. If someone got beat up, they show up was like black guy or like lumps on their faces. So he would joke about say, oh, you got your gay knocks. That's what that was called once in a while someone would end up in the emergency room or dead. They're always people ending up. Jed being fished out of the Hudson river. Like with their is all eaten by whatever's down to step out into the street as a gay person or as, as impersonal transportation was to be physically threatened say, it was an incredibly difficult time speak, where would people able to be open about their sexuality a coach did start to to begin of gay bars as places where you could meet in relative, and I use that word, advisedly relative safety virtually every gay bar. I think in fact every single Gabe on, including lesbian bars in nineteen. Sixty nine were actively run by the mafia? They would open a bar. They some people think they would them pay off the police, and the police would 'priority raid, the bar because that would allow them to think that I keep in control, whereas, actually, the mafia running these places they would serve diluted liquor. Some people think they would blackmail, the though, the more middle class married gay men, who came to the bar and use that as a way to get an, an extra income stream, so those quite a lot of pain and hurt in these places but still in the in the at a time when there was nowhere else, they were frequented by people and allowed them to, to some degree find a way to feel like real people like hold individuals there in these hidden places. But of all of them the, the biggest in York, and therefore, probably the world was the stonewall inn. Everyone went there. There was no glass in those windows had black plywood nail, and it didn't have lights on the outside. It was a mafia place. No one that wouldn't it was there would. No, it was. So there was some like a power power hungry, like lower level. Mafia guy is usually like early twenties that opened the little door. And then he's decided whether you're gonna let you in. You go in and had no decorations, it was all black plywood inside is. And always kind of smelled like a kind of like sexy sweat smell and vir like floating through ear. And you go into the other room. And that room is the better room that was called the black room just said, better music, and better dance. And this was different from the other dance because this place would let you dance slow about a very, very, very important thing. So it was very different than meeting someone streak as meeting someone on the street. You can kill you didn't know what they were about meeting someone stole. There's a little time figures now could dance with. And then dancing with DM slow you hold onto them. So then you have a kind of a faction that all straight, just how by grace of life when you Janse with each other. You're giving a kind of solidarity of person hood, I can't find smaller words to say that you feel good as a person like a huge burden was lifted off. You just cozy in there for us when they try to remove it like it's like what waving a red flag in front of a bowl? I mean what are they going to take that away? That's like. Taking person with. Let's talk about that night. The twenty eighth of June nineteen sixty nine. Like with any major turning point in history. Some of the details, hazy and disputed, but as far as we can tell what happened as Greenwich Village became increasingly famous gay area. You had both a feeling of greater strength among gay, gay individuals, but you also had greater oppression, and they collided with each other from about ninety sixty four on was the police started stepping up their raids. The guy who led most of them seem more pine was the head of the vice squad in the NYPD. It was a Saturday. The twenty eighth of June CMO pine led a team of seven police officers, some undercover some in uniform, and he kind of frogmarch them into the stone moorland I think it was a sign of how confidently foul that they went in, like a sort of marching army, he was determined, and we know from what he's said since he was determined to, quote unquote, do the job properly, because he was sick of raiding all these BAAs. And then the next day, the mafia would reopen them so he decided to go in, and he would tear up the long bar in the first main room of the more, and he would chop it up into little pieces, which for me was a kind of chilling echo of the chopping down. Those trees in queens that we've seen just one week before and almost immediately things started going wrong seem opine died in two thousand and ten but he left behind before he died. Lots of recordings of his reflection. Of the night for some reason, things different this night as we were bringing the prisoners out. They were resisting one, drag Queen as we put her in the car opened the door on the other side and jumped out from this point on things really began to get crazy. Shoots. Throwing her bulky body against this police car that begins to tip now. Did not tip over, but there is a moment of spontaneous women that I will never forget where something happened. Just hit me. That this was our moment crowds are building up quickly. They're the people that wouldn't usually like make a scene. We're making a seem to once it started. It was like Ed ignited pretty quick. It wasn't like a slow simmer or anything. It was it was something that, like you just got carried on the waves. Like, like, if you're if you're at, like, the, you know, the ocean and the beach in the way picture over the room. Yeah. The only place we can go as being like insulted by, by being like closed down by by, like these, like police that are like indifferent either indifferent or hostile to us as Uman beings. And so we didn't even think we just fought it was like fighting back for your for your home. People started throwing things. They started throwing coins at the police. They started jeering at the police, and they started becoming assertive. That was a sort of wave of assertion an even to some degree aggression that came from the crowd. It was now a crowd. It wasn't a milling gathering. It was a crowd of people, and at that point Sima, pine actually had to shut the doors and barricade himself. And his men and women. There were some women please among them inside the stone will just to protect themselves. I know I was pregnant. And I've been in combat situation. There was never any time that I felt more scared than I felt that. I'm just, you know there was no place to run. This guy had been a major figure weld war to and written a manual for hand to hand combat for US army troops is terrified huge, huge Lisa gift moment. Does that mean the outside it was getting violent one of the big points of debate is like, how violent was it, David to the author of the, the most thorny book of stone more? His book is called stonewall the riots that spot the gay revolution. I spoke to him at length, and he says, now, if you had another chance to go round, he would call it the rebellion that spot the gate revolution. And I asked him wine, he thought he just sought riot gave the wrong connotation, it suggested a sort of indiscriminate sort of violence, and he preferred rebellion because this was more an expression of, of gay uprising of gay assertion. And I think that's probably right. There was a sense of joyous, nece I which you have to take on board to get a real sense of what stone more meant it wasn't just sort of face to face confrontation. There was a sense of we are going to taunt to you with our gay culture. So they had the kick lines, people would run round the back of Greenwich Village through the small little streets that, that run through the area and they suddenly reappear at the back of the police lines and then they were joined taunt them, again and sing songs at them are the Bill girls. We wear our hair in curls. We wear dungarees rolled up above or news. We will we wear sweaters, tie. We've give the guys of fried, and then draw boom DA trial. I'll fucking fun. There was an exhilaration of this, you know, without really realizing what? We were doing, you know, being able to look at other gay men and not a sexual context not an a mafia bar. Not in the subway, toilet, non and a bath house. You know, being able to see people sort of integrated as people having, you know, feeling good about themselves in the street with other people not afraid. This is the critical thing, not afraid to be visible the release of fear the celebration of person hood in that moment to feel that you were not fucked off. At the time in real time that had a very strong sense of something strawberry had happened. Now they didn't know exactly what it meant. They didn't know what it would become fifty later. But they know they knew in the moment that their lives, the changed everyone. I spoke to said that in the most powerful way. The descriptions, I've read suggest the police were humiliated that night. They never expected this group of people to rebel the streets were cleared until after four AM and then it happened again. And again, the six nights overall getting lots of coverage in the media. What were the consequences in the immediate aftermath on the is that then followed? Wow. Any? For me. People walking down the street holding hands was one of them. People being able to form groups in the street without favor rests was another one. The most important in terms of long term change was the chanting of the phrase, gay power. And that never really been heard from a heard of before in public. But it started on the first night, one person particular, set, it second night, many more people started saying it started to be chanted through the crowd gay power gay power, and from there. It started to crystallize and cement into groups coming together discussing how to organize and how to manifest this new sensibility into marches into political organizations into political change. The had been gay groups, the, the, the groups have formed after stone would not the first but those that came before, with tiny, they were very kind of well mannered to put it that way. They talked about integrating. They talked about. If we good. Nice, please give us a few rights, there was that kind of tone to it. I think post on will immediately within days. It was saying now we've. Had enough. We are angry. We're not putting up with this anymore about about a week off to the rebellion had had ended people together, and they started discussing whether they have a peace March, which would be, let's put forward some positive images to sort of show, you know, that we're all part of society, and they were happy to integrate in this society, and Jim, for at he stood up, and he said, no. We are not going to be nice. We're sick and fucking tired of this treatment. I mean something to that effect. It was about being fully dimensioned as a lesbian or game in just the fucking right to be different, whether you're straight looking, or you're older you're richer. You're poor you're trans, or whatever the right to be different and have equal rights. In terms of the fifty is followed. We can't possibly go into the detail of what is after all extrordinary massive narrative arc of things getting better. I mean, you think of the very first gay pride marches that happened again within weeks of stonewall, they kind of happened organically, people started marching, then you think, through the, the way that the gay community rallied around HIV and aids and demanded treatment from the medical profession. And then you think forward through extrordinary revolution of gay marriage in this country. And now we're seeing people to judge the first openly gay presidential candidate in America. And he's doing incredibly well, being extraordinary narrative, and stonewall was at the very beginning of all of this. You've spoken to people who are at the time who've watched the will change over fifty years who've seen great strides towards quality, but also recently, the election of a US president and vice president who say really worrying things about LGBT rights and the rise in homophobic attacks. Both in the US under the countries including here in the K for them is this fifty verse ary a celebration of progress, or a reminder, not take anything for granted. Well, you have to say, both I was very struck by all the people I interviewed for the stone, we'll project that they had a sense of apprehension a kind of fear about the present day kind of almost sense, the wolves might be closing in on them again. I'm an old man. Now I might get married this year, but I'm certainly wasn't about one to get married in nineteen sixteen on, and I do have a new relationship and old man can have relationships in his really hot. And I just want to put that in I walked down the street with my boyfriend, Joel. He's seventy four I'm seventy seven. And sometimes I say watch it because there's a group of men coming towards us. I have been beaten up. I know what these things are afraid to be gay. No, I'm not not at all. But I'm realistic. You know, I'm realistic. And I think that the heightened kind of rhetoric that is based on anger in hate. And manipulated in fear fear of the elder. I watched the young people. They seem oblivious and the way that I was oblivious to fear, you know, but, but I think it's a very dangerous time we live in no one, I spoke to his being complacent about the dog times that we seem to be entering, and being the kind of guys, they are very, very firm about a need to resist it because that's where they came from. But if we ended on that note, I think it would give the, the fulsome pression, because overwhelmingly this fiftieth anniversary is, is a celebration. It's a remembering of this extraordinary moment where people found themselves for the very first time and found their own internal and external power. It is unimaginable to me the nineteen sixty-nine. We have achieved my generation of gay and lesbian people wrist everything they built a movement. And I feel that a what we did has changed the world. I take great pride in. That was Ed Pilkington. You can read his brilliant report. Fifty years since dome will out the guardian dot com. Coming up one pound bikinis and five pound dresses, a culture of disposable ultra cheap fashion might be convenient, but who really pays the true costs? Now earlier this year, a report from a cross party group of MP's into the fashion industry in the K made several recommendations for improving sustainability and conditions for garment workers last week all the MP's points were flatly rejected by the government. One of the people who gave evidence to their inquiry was columnist Lucy Seco. She argues that, even if the government went at there are still things consumers can do. That being a government inquiry into plastics single use coffee cups pollution in rivers. But then when it was announced that environmental audit committee was going to look at fashion, and not just fashion. They actually singled out fast fashion. I couldn't really believe it. So I was asked to go and give evidence and yes, you sit there on a panel. And you have of buzzer in a microphone. It's a bit like being university challenge or something. I think the sense that we got was that they were very shocked by what was going on. And they were shocked in particular by a couple of things they seem to be shocked, by the way, speed generated by the fashion industry, according to statistics from different from rap, the waste resources action programs. The UK every year, we will throw away three hundred thousand tons of textile waste most of which will be factored, and most of which will be fast fashion. There was some reports that suggest that we were pieces of clothing an average of seven times while that is crazy. The second thing that was really shocking for them was investigations into production of fashion manufacture, in LeicesteR in the Midland's where they found people being paid well below the minimum wage. So those were the two elements, which I think gripped them most. And the other thing is just to give it more context. We are more and more aware of the emissions caused by the fashion industry. We know according to u n modeling that by twenty fifty unless we get a radical approach to fashion the fashion industry's a sector will be responsible for a quarter of all emissions. Extinction. But van say that in the U K are emissions from fashion higher than for aviation, and shipping combined absolutely up. Smacking this is an industry that absolutely needs regulating. environmental audit committee produced a report, fixing fashion, which contained eighteen different recommendations for the fashion industry. The government reported back and it took up zero of the eighteen recommendations. So none of them, the government intends to take forward and that included one of the main recommendations, which had a lot of traction within the industry's self, which was for one pay Levy Pergamon, that would fund, some sort of waste collection and processing. My response was that I was really shocked, actually. But this so many things that we can do we mustn't feel like it's game over? It's not if you wanna be really, really out there. Stop buying fast fashion isn't that isn't that a thing? Wow. How would we get dressed in the morning? So if you extend. The life span of each garment for nine months, you would use its impact, including carbon emissions by twenty to thirty percents. I have long instituted thirty wears rule. Hashtag verty wears so that brings me onto another thing that you can do delete fashion apps on your phone. If you do shop online, an I prefer not for clothes don't get lured into that return thing when you're offering, you know, four sizes or full color ways, and then sending three but because we don't know what happens to those clothes, and there was some evidence to suggest that those up making the waist more prolific, you can take impact out of laundry by not washing. Too often, you really wanna make fiber an important part of the way that you shop. So cotton is a luxury. Okay. What you wanna do is get some other interesting fibers in the what about a little hemp blend. Liar, sell Modell. That's from tree balk. I think when all sudden Don, I really, really think that what was in the fixing fashion report is so important that we shouldn't just let it go. Yes, we can do. Things are selves, but we had those recommendations, and we need legislation. So please, please, please, if you just do one thing, right to your MP and tell them that you want the recommendations in fixing fashion report to be implemented. That was Lucy Seco and you can find more of her writing on ethical living at the guardian dot com. That's for today. My thanks to add Pilkington, Tommy Lanigan Schmidt. Jim ferret and Lucy Seco. This episode was produced by Josh Kelley, and Lucy Greenwell. Sound design was by axel cuckoo, ta the executive produces affil- may not I'm Michael Jackson. We'll be back tomorrow. In economics, there's more than numbers in questions. It's about making the world. A better place. I have this interest in ending the wall. That's why I decided to, you know, make not something meet Esther do flow and other women who are asking the questions that matter with women economics, a UBS program in partnership with C E, P R the center for economic policy research, visit UBS dot com slash WI and join the conversation.

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282 | I Was Fired Every Week And Now Shes The President Of The Largest Property Market In Australia - Chat with Leanne Pilkington, President of REINSW

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282 | I Was Fired Every Week And Now Shes The President Of The Largest Property Market In Australia - Chat with Leanne Pilkington, President of REINSW

"Welcome to the property couch week. You get to listen to two of Australia's leading experts. Bryce Holloway Co host of location location location Australia Bookstores Lifestyle Channel Co host of escape from the city on the ABC and partner of impel wealth. Advisory Ben Kingsley. Chair Property Investors Council of Australia and the founder of -Em Paolo. Th Advisory named the two thousand eighteen in two thousand and nineteen property advisory firm of the year stay tuned as they renew the insiders guide to property finance and money management or effects. Welcome back to the public. Catch Ben. Welcome back to you. How are You well? Night on the main. Because common sense has prevailed Bras Mama. Census provides detail. Well thank you for allowing Media Pechiney Delbra. Of course last week were really concerned about what happened in coins. Lining regards to the nine tendency landlord relief package. That was announced. Al proposed by the Polish governing coins. Land which was great so from that point of view. Because we're going to bring in tiny back in a podcast. Hopefully in the next I saw. It is perfect rot so but what we do want to let you know is differently. It's it's a more balanced well-thought-out position which also doesn't mean that the landlords GonNa be exposed financially so I think it's a bit more of a wing wing as opposed to a win loss which there was their original policy proposal side. Congratulations to all of those people who helped out. I'm we'll take fifteen minutes van. Tiny's Tom and target date the dog into what that really means coming episode in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. Stay tuned for that. Everyone it was been so we also continuing themes of the president spend. We've got another prison on today. Which were super excited about? But before we get them on. Some units theme is Ziegler quite Ben. You Know I love Zig Ziglar. His the lack of direction not lack of Tom the problem. We will have twenty four hour day so I thought that might be A good one to land at this time because clearly everyone's in lock down there in isolation and but we're all in lockdown and we're all in isolation we've all got sign man. Tom And yet some people are really thriving in feeding them on full of good stuff. Ben Yes and unfortunately some people pleading themselves full of lots of scrolling social media feeds any few around and if you consuming too much of a Iran News. It's not good for your side so it's a lack of direction. That's the problem. We all have. Twenty is Ben and I've actually tie into that full mar a heck of a little bit light of its As we sort of hinted been A very exciting conversation today. With the president of the real estate agents of Real Estate Institute of New South Wales. Let's cut to the interview with Leeann Pilkington. Been we have a very special guest today. We have Leeann Pilkington. Who is the president of the Real Estate Institute of New South Wales? Welcome to the public can be very what works ought to join one of the most Respected and sort off. The tide is in the industry being the industry for nearly three decades. Not Nearly four actually off until anybody just quitting. Your whips off had to be updated for a while right. I used to love Jacob. Tell people that I started when I was twelve. But the reality is that that still makes me all salvage. It doesn't matter what well the thing is. You've got lots of wisdom unless we're exhausted tap into that. I just the president of the Real Estate Institute. You've also got a very successful business. You'll the managing director of Lang and semen so we want to. We want to dive into a lot of stuff with you today but before we do. We want to take you back to the beginning. We want to bet you and how how did you. What was the pathway? Way To bring the president of the Real Estate Institute of newsouth US. How did you get into property in the first flex? Well my father. I'm three real estate businesses in the hills district asylum. I actually literally did start answering the fine at the twelve year old Working for him on Sunday and then when I left high school my intention was to become a school. Take Job I. I went away to school. Yes I did have school. He's back then and and I ran out of money so I ran. Dented can send me some money and he said Come work for me for until you gotta Uni. And so that was that was back in the beginning of nineteen ninety one and I started working for him and I left him is lighter so I am in that time I Studying to become a value. But I also I started as a property manager and wasn't siles for a number of east. Wow so Tell us about the first on. The job is dead. What what were you doing ghat? Whatever he told me which struggled with Dad Dad used to actually fly nice is we worked seven days away. That was just the reality of business and so I was working seventy. I was studying three nights awake and I was driving from the hills district into the city to Do My valuation cool said that is into it was it was a terrible trade. I'm sorry I kind of just. That was just what ideas always a pretty determined to kind of Kind of Niger. And but dead an ISO- fight like hat dog at. Hey literally defy me every Friday at about lunchtime and side A few months and I said you know what? I'm just going to take Friday afternoons off because I think that's just best for everybody. And so that he's still giants now. Says United starring new? Every wake was one of the best things I did. Baptism Afar titling clearly. There's some amazing amazing real estate agents. women real estate agents. Now some of them are very fake. The guy but back then it was a bit of a boys club. What what was it like Well I My mom was also So it was just mom and I in the hill stick. There's only the two of US end the competitors used to cy all talking till the end all she's a pretty little thing and so that was that was the typical law and but the thing was I was qualified value up and none of those boys had the determination tenacity to actually study for four years to that and so I could. I could just demonstrate pretty quickly that year whilst I was a pretty little thing I was pretty smart and pretty determined. Pretty focused as well so I Yeah I've been. I've been involved in the boys club all of my working career. Even when I first started running Lane Simmons they Some of the other franchise oils would try and go either. My head to the Board for example and the board thankfully was very clear on the fact neither Leon runs his business so you need to talk till the end so obviously I don't have that problem now. But it's titled Time Really had on what would you say to some of the women who are drawn to spot the the success that you've had having to navigate some of some of that pop that you've already trolled before what's what's some of the takeaways that you you've observed in that. Taunton at that served well. That might help others. Who are listening to signed vision. I've always had people around me who have more fighting liability than I've actually had in my ability and saw I think a lot of us are in that situation and I think you have to get asked. What would you tell you youngest self and for May it's like you capable of sign much more than you ever realize. I never saw myself here. I really didn't But I I had some people around me who I had. I had a lot of belief in and I had a lot of faith in and I believed in. May and I thought you know what I trust their judgment so then I need to. I need to say in myself what I say inmate. Does that make sense because it's an important message that you that you're sharing the lien? Because the Research Dawes indicate that road across the spectrum in the workforce. That women underestimate Their abilities and they got low self confidence in themselves whereas typically main allies ugliest their abilities And the late so obviously ivory confidence as well so if if that is a message in terms of Owl's women listening to this. You probably are better than you think. You annual conservative. Niger might be holding you back. And a New Testament that is you've got to the peak of your industry Not only as the prison but also running a very successful boutique agency. I think so. I think that's an enormous credit to you. Well done in terms of I want to spend a little mini intended irrespective of sakes. What makes for what she place I get? I get forced into that women's women's Cohen of at and all the time and it was something I have to be on his. I avoid for a really long time. I wouldn't to women's events I wouldn't go to networking with women and real estate conferences. I avoided it and that was. It was a very clear decision for me. And then all of a sudden I'm now of negative networking Great Koby Women in real excited. I'm it everywhere I go. I told women to talk about and empowers them. Because you realize that you can pay it forward rock that the women who need that opportunity but yet irrespective of sex. Yeah what what does make for great selling agent and then the second question. What does Mike for Property Manager in your view? Like one of the one of the skill sets you'll looking full so in those people in tens of with I do and and have I thrive in what is a very competitive market. Yeah and obviously a very different skill sets right so as selling agents you need absolute focus the number one south person in the line and Simmons Network at ease woman delaying Lewis and one of the things we've delaying is that she is ruthless with time management She knows exactly what she needs to get done in a day and she's very very clear and that's what shade learned from by Dolph. Who who she worked for for a long time inside definitely that that focus on what's important the focus on the dollar productive stuff and the focus on doing real estate. It's not rocket science. We all know what needs to be done but a lot of agents and a lot of time telling why they can't do these things that need to be done and sled so. Let's dial on the selling item onto the property manager from a buys point of view. Because obviously you know where the public broadcast is for the general public. What's what's the best way that that Abutting by can get the best value out of the vein. Dol Selling considering that the selling aging is obviously working for the vainglory. I'm a big believer in. Ibm Communication a lot of the time. buys don't want to tell the real estate agent. Exactly what the situation is because I think the real estate agent will take advantage of them And I think that you need to eight to get to ninety agents in the local area guide of the Aiken hines and then make the assessment as to how trait and then if you if you trust them then they genuine with all your counsel the time but be genuine about what you are trying to achieve and communicate with them. Could you hold back it should you? Should you hold back the prostate? You'll willing to go to your your your stretch value. You'll look I think you've got a unfortunately I wish I could say it's the same answer for every every single transaction but it's really not because yes a h in different situations so I would be trying to unsan. What the bengals motivation walls. If you know sometimes the agents might not tell you but often they will if you'll if you are showing genuine interest and you are being a genuine authentic person. Then you're more likely to get that level of communication back from the ancient cry. The real estate agent is is quite unique in their renumerated because mayes maple they they try to get high time pipe for the time whereas Their results yet. If someone was listening to this I just did not understand Real Estate Agent Industry Won. I won the explain. So that a by I could better understand Pied and bathe in better understand. Why the real estate agent Towards indirect come within the Barak. Well they hide by the vendors to Piss Haisam that's just the reality of it And that's why I think the move towards buys agents that we finally say relatively recently in Australia. I think he's a really no. It's good for for both sides of the transaction to represented that makes sense But a lot of people are not prepared to invest in that And so they do need to deal with the sellers agent and yet I do. There are two different ways that said I get hired somewhere on commission and so that means it. Don't sell a property. Dont get hide others are on. What's called Democrat advice salary? But it's not very much. Money is about sixty thousand dollars a year and I have to pay that sixty thousand dollars back through the conditions that By selling property for people sixty thousand would be Would be caught Would be caught tossing the average. Mideast ally the average wage in the end It is You have to work. You have to work very long hours and the interesting thing. I did a lot of people that comes me wanting to get into the industry and I I am. I bought a property and it was a terrible experience for me and so I think I can do it. Better and SI- done San. How hot is it really is a top? It really is a tough game. Bang real agent. You're dealing with people at dealing with people's biggest asset. You're dealing with paypal usually at the most stressful time Sometimes pick was selling property happy raisins but often than not and people buying sometimes happy raisins metal ston nausea and saw. Everybody is under stress. And it's really It's it's a tough gig land. Do you think that Full into a bit of a whole During the Karen Koehler Environment. Given the the income that earned in April will mind is largely from the effects from three full months ago. Mania listing prospecting to someone's Landrieu than going through the campaign than getting it stalled and then once it settles highlight us. Oh Yeah The their income now is a reflection of before whereas probably all their activities in April in my illogic. GonNa get paid in June and July. Where they want sticks for some of the the government's Science is that is that something that's on your your Rosalie. Yeah and he certainly something that we Late Wade talking to bat and trying to make them understand how business works. Because but the other thing to remember for real estate Particularly on speaking you south wiles context but certainly in general in the At the beginning of last year was pretty average right way had come off a very very tough market and the market on improved when Scott Morrison unexpectedly provided in my. And so. If we're comparing if we need to be down on business Of the first of March last year. Then we're going to be bright right like that. It was a really bad time for us. I it is. It's very difficult to the. I disobeyed justifying the involvement in in job. Tapu and you're right. The agents would actually still paid at the moment We are in April and my is a lot of them as well but come June. July and August where transaction numbers are really dropping dramatically It's Yeah it's GONNA be tough. We are sending the had instituted New South Wales. And I'm pretty confident. The around the country are older. And same thing we are lobbying government for seventy five percent decrease in STANCHI Because certainly in New South Wales Madiun process depends on which publication you rate at somewhere between eight hundred million But I just let's just say it's a million dollars as of numbers that's a forty thousand dollar CENCI Dean Post. Now if we can get a dramatic decrease then you're going to have buyers actually instead of whiting They're going to go. You know what? That's a pretty good. That's a that's A. that's a lot of money. Let's let's actually make that decision now and saw heartfully. That will that will help. It's been long argued. Hasn't Leeann that that Stained Judy Eason inhibitor. All of movement people down. You know that that's totally true. It's it's effectively a non productive tax but unfortunately flom in all states and territories. It's it's usually. They second build third biggest. Read the new souls and that's obviously the challenge brought by must've al. Most of our wonderful governments had a thirst for spending on everything. ends To cover that awful to to find that shortfall some way with all of the services I want to offer around his. Is that sort of a very challenging question. But I would argue that when you reduce as you well know why people used to move about every seven years. Now it's close to every twelve days and that a big raison is because of the the standi costs involved and so if you reduce stingy PIPPA GONNA move more frequently. That's just the reality of it. So so what we signed areas. We'll pick up I volume increase quick. Which will which will cover some of that shortfall. Maybe they're not as might be all of that. Show in terms of that people Billingham. It's the same sort of thing when you get conditioned in big cities like people in the northern Sydney one with Downing Miranda rule somewhere like that because it's just the commute through long yet is now lost all benefits of doing that so you don't have that mobility whereas if you've got your drain job down the coast or up the Costa Waiver these yoga and to be challenged by the impact on you financially because yes that forty thousand dollars is dead money You know is it ties for the fireworks knees you know I. It doesn't do very much else other than that. End What we do and of course. I the psych. I'm the winner lobby at Sant. Judy You know the government's all about all realized I disagree. We just want more transactions will of course wearing business to make money but there are so many businesses that that hang off the back of a real estate transaction you know. There's conveniences is we'll beach breakers as property style is fielding inspection and then when they will move into new hindsight by white would save by. They've been a vase. I just on and on and on. It's actually really really good for the economy to have a volume transactions. Have there been any studies on that we had the deloitte till the KPMG boys and goes on to that in terms of looking at that dolla on offered offered something like for every one dollar in property these ten dollars generated for the economy. That Madman autonomous once. Before but have we got any research on that. 'cause I'd love to know we haven't been on making a night. Ben. I'm going to get right onto that. It's being yeah we. We actually had the conversation last week as we are lobbying way in the royal wage the real estate into cheap where lobbying are around a few things at the moment and that was one of the things that I teach us and yeah I hadn't thought about going to kpmg or somebody like that that could be I think it is really really important. I'm there are Couple of sites around the country that have dropped stamp Judy and saying an increasing transaction number. So there is some evidence. I mean obviously in the ice. Ha I have changed their land tax. That popula So I certainly don't want to be speaking a growing based Lantis that that is not a good. Id But But yeah all We'll see if I can talk off line at that time how we can find out. Sounds like a plan that economic benefit in in terms of directing director of would be substantial given as we talk about before it's the number one asset class in the country representing around seven. Three dollars So I think from that there is there is material Opportunity that could be explored which sort of a nautical segue into the current situation wherein Bras Cain to get all of the leaders of all of the associations around the country on to talk about being packed in the markets and obviously Leeann is the president of the Real Estate Institute. Newsouth lyles you responsible for the biggest property marketing the country From from an estate agency point of view and circling back to what we were talking about before in terms of selling. Now we WANNA focusing on the property manager. I have obviously experiencing probably one of the toughest on in terms of the situation. So just take us through. What has happened in New South Wales based on was at Scott Morrison? Nothing was the twenty six. The twenty ninth of March Way. Basically did the right thing by leading calmness. Coming in terms of not one's GonNa be kicked at properties but that led to a China the Anson. And what's happened while yeah I mean I. I'm led to criticize the government because I think I've I have had just the unbelievable what they've had to deal with and I think I launched. They've done they've done a great job in possible situation Jeff But unfortunately the language that was used you decide. They will be a fiction. Statistics months what a lot of tenants hood was. We might I rank six months and so that didn't cause problems full. The landlord did also caused problems for the property. Managers and of course the business because that's why the the Get paid as the bench attack. Singe commission of the Rant as a business arena guy lane. But if I if I saw hang right we're going to be out of business. I had Without any exaggeration I had suicidal. Is The fun. I had property managers and I would with the verbal abuse that getting And the frustrate. The thing that really frustrated may was instead of spending our time helping people that are in genuine hardship that we want to desperately help. We were dealing with opportunistic tenants. Who had lost? I mean there's a lot of people making a lot of money right now right because some businesses are going strong and we had one. We had one the emailed and said we're not GONNA pay rent for six months dining trying to communicate and by the way we're getting a dog and that's all on a sleigh just anyway Pity message isn't it? Leeann what you just said. I'll think it's worth with posing sort of amplifying that the fact that there are some 'cause you could face criticism from From certain quotas if you will being saying to only be sticking up for the landlords in sticking up for the property is really oh messages that Debbie opportunistic because there are some genuine people who are incredibly vulnerable. We count on them because the opportunist get in the way they much Ladda right. You know the people that are in desperate hardship. Some of them are embarrassed. Stay UNCOMFORTABLE THEY. They just depressed. They're in a really awful situation. But the opportunistic lines allowed once And saw way were madly lobbying governments Behind the same place come out and say that we D- tenants will have to pay rent. There is an obligation to tie rent And I got frustrated with tenants union. We're on a cool with all of the stakeholders with government and the gospel of the tenants. Union he sounds like a really reasonable man Said we know that the tenants are going to have to pay rent and I saw. How will you thank you? Can you come out and tell you? Tell your Memphis that that's the case on our dollar confused situation on my size Anyway we got word from government. I still want coming out loudly about it but I do that video that I sent to all of our members to tenants saying very clearly what their obligations were and I will say indeed one landlords to be clear on what their obligations are and I quote because going to topple from the tendency union. Because I didn't tell the landlords that I had to gosh adding fire and I didn't tell the landlord said I chose to wife rather than deferred the rent that I would decide. I like the good girl that I am when enrage I'm a Vdi last On Monday and act and and sent that out so that there was clarity. I didn't WANNA be slaving. Anybody but yeah. The the messages have been difficult and of course commercially that Spain. A whole lot of grace going on commercially as well. So as a property are not Property and they're stuck. What what should I be expecting from my from my property manager in the Times in terms of the changes in the wall? Which is that if the does Mike. An approach The by half the negotiating advice yet. A let's let's walk through that in times of Ilana property on Anna and Montana's requested a review of what's the legal approaching New South Wales so in New South Wales attendant needs to be able to demonstrate that I have been impacted by twenty five percent or more want household income has to be impacted by twenty five percent or more after you take into account any job cable or jobs. Seca highlands and that had I demonstrate that land just to get down into the weeds. Yup Ha ha. What did I have to do that? Did ask to show a haislip that I sell aside. The government has not been cleared on. Exactly what is legally required? But what we're saying so we have way at. Dri has Hardship full that we've given to Amazon. Happy to provide a copy of it for you issue with lot. Side that some. Yes so that. The tenants can feeling and supply all of the documentation. That will demonstrate that I have been impacted and what we would say is to to any tenant. Is You want the landlord to negotiate in good fight so you as ten also made to negotiate in good faith and demonstrate that you have actually suffered a loss and so that being the case then the government is sort of signing guidelines. The tenants shouldn't really be expected to pay any more than thirty percent of their income. For Rent Landlord's Tax Can get a twenty five percents assistance but now as we know eighty four percent landlords dime island. I stick we do know that Hamas McColgan You south on eleventh of Miami nine that The opposition and not happy with the assistance that has been provided they are saying this is provided to landlords and tenants. But potentially I think they. They're looking at at doing our hodge. Something like they've done in Queensland So Way Neetu obviously and we are talking to government. Not just the Guy who bought all of the different bodies. We'RE TALKING TO EVERYBODY. This week about Just making sure that that payments makes. Why should the landlord via the? I think there's a there's a couple of good points there yet for me on the twenty. Five percent reduction income is not necessarily a hardship measure in module. Should've been fifty percent for the household because one of the things it's not being dissociation and the only site that obscene that come up easing Victoria way. They have to prove when you are talking about hardship and potentially a file your pilot. You've gotTa have a five thousand Dolla- yes. I think that's really important because the politicians and answering the question that would have told politicians out you could have a twenty five percent reduction in income at that. Tenant could have a hundred thousand dollars in savings so it. What sort of had shift is that? Fame considering that the non-payment of rent could push the landlord into a cash flow across the switch. Dane means that they have to have to a payment holiday with a bank which puts them in the United States of dollars of additional interest. Handed Bathrooms adulting sometimes is in effect wiles because the mortgage is significantly higher than around the rest of Australia. Saw Get so sorry view around that. He's if if we have some type of policy that SORTA says you'll you'll Hassall is a combination of Karen Cashflow Acid and if you've got liquid assets in cash you should be. That's exactly why you had an image. It's fun for Unintended events unplanned events. That's why you'll money can help you. During these times are feel that it is a little opportunistic for for a tenant to SORTA side. Well Yeah but that's my deposit for my high and I and I get appreciate that and it's not folded Iran. You're in the landlord's fault correct. And they had to provide social. Housing drives me. Nuts wearing vistas Just like sham marketing basis just like invested in anything else. We've made the decision to invest in property so after and for families do and don't you haul out a really good point. There in terms of that future is about not leaning on the government. That future is about self funding that retirement so that money that would be paid as a patient is long high. Because you've built an asset by as an aspiring Australian to sell fund. Your retirement that you're not going to be impacted on that so I think we we. Obviously you know seeing from the sign him shape now when it comes to that. Talk stuff as well. Yeah absolutely You make a very good point. We are about the sightings in Victoria I am dying to spend some time today. Just having a look at the Around the countryside that way web at applies to really lobby. Hard when we're speaking to government Tomorrow what was going to be my next question to see how you felt that the New South Wales response was compared to the rest disrupted because we had We had Antonia Mc Rela with a slice waiting choosing a huge battle last week which was thankfully as largely resulted hood. It's and the fact that you have a hardship full but they went necessarily required. Prepaid Chip D. Did you fall in that? Hot Chick Fil was actually A beneficial for your outcome to try and Weighed at the opportunities because as soon as you have to. You have to demonstrate that will then clearly those who are drawn Enron ahead of Would just naturally fallen off Ron. Yet absolutely it was It was very helpful for property managers and way family members at the moment just to try and get some data so we can get some clarity as to the volume of range that has had to be discounted and just to be out of put some numbers around all of this but certainly the there was a massive drop off in In applications once we provided that hardship phone and I would have to say that whilst the outcome for landlords is not what I would hope it today. Yes certainly the outcoming newsouth. Wow was better than in a lot of other places initially and that was due to a lot of hard work and a lot of current and previous Rei in his w board members speaking to all of the contacts It it's really bored. Time to me the importance of relationships. Because when you've got a good relationship when when the government all the regulate a trust you. It's a massively different. Conversation and saw that does relationships will will really brought home in the result that we did actually achieving used in the first in the first instance because we were all very scared that the government was just going to help tenants out and not have been any mental reply discount which would then be terrible for the The landlords also taboo to the industry as well Olean. I think you might have really valid point there and I think it also stems to the fact that we hoped that the regulators and the governments of the die have learned a lot because really most landlords most property investors Abbassali destroying draw by John. Batchelor die have any uniformity that I'm having voice where obviously trying to build that through the Pika Association and for profit that was set up white example. It's the Tendency Union in New South Wales THY gate eleven million dollars random. Yup Text Pie is money yet. You help them have a voice. Plus the two point five million earnest money as powder day relief package. I'm not begrudging them. That not that I think there is absolutely raisins in terms of tenants should absolutely no they wrought there any joining to a contract that we get nothing not one dollar of support. Sorry when we do see an issue that's when we need to respond. And that's way ultimately galvanizing the numbers of property owners and getting onto a database. Which is really what is trying to do Working with the Associations Aram distraught yet in terms of getting that communication ethic because the results. Are we going coins? Line was exactly. You did hear out all of a sudden. The property on is the two point five million investors around the country. Dude react and I did shy that are these woes too far. It wasn't fair way looking for a win win. Outcome necessarily a win loss outcome which are through the highest of having to make quick decisions. We probably got that balance incorrect. Yeah absolutely a great and certainly also have a great that Tannin student aid somewhere where they can go to be clear on their rights And we all made tenants the landlord tenant and the thing that I I get upset about is the fact that tenants of peace it against their landlords and the agents. It doesn't like we all in this together as we kick hearing but the time of some of the communication coming from the tenants which is unfortunately coming from the chance. Union is very aggressive. It's berry antagonistic. And I just don't think that's the way to get the best outcome for anybody We talked about last week that we think that we are starting to have this antagonistic relationship. And it should as you cited should not be that way but you can understand potentially some of the people inside these tendencies such actions that he a constant negative stories from Tannin Salon Bang Trading. Because let's be honest. There are some ordinary landlords at your grady landlords at this so that it's that five percent on both sides that is spoiling it for the Noni five percent who unbowed saw trying to do the right thing here and yet and and so you can understand that their bias could be skewed so all of these negative. Kohl's that they're getting online but this is not healthy he says not of Matt At progressive relationship that we want to continue on. And then we'll say say government policy being more aggressive to one party than the other and all of a sudden becomes a bump and it's just not going to be productive for a harmonious relationship with by Ponte's Nah couldn't agree all. I don't know how we can I don't know how we can positively impact but on sitting up for giving a red hot crack. We want to open dialogue with the Tennessee Association. We want them to understand from apple interview. Yeah exactly what? Fees and frustrations are the same way. We Wanna I'M DISDAIN FROM THEM. What they fees frustrations are and how we can then educate the landlords that high. That's just not acceptable. Doing that is just not acceptable. Doing this is acceptable. What is that looks like? As opposed to a gyn regulating that fog saint who have allowed voice But I don't necessarily constitute the views of you know we did a survey of landlords and sorry tenants across the country. Most of them would s pretty good. The house was good that kept it. Taty. I had quad enjoyment. Nothing to say here. When something went wrong they go to fix it. But obviously the ones who don't have that quality join are the ones we're hearing from. Yeah regulating to that. And that is. That's the payrolls of the pathway. Going down not only new suppliers but right across the country couldn't have said it better myself elan early. You said you've been been in industry full four decades so that made you would have seen the boom in the eighties the recession we had to have been the nineties. Introduction of would Saint September eleven You were saying Lots of Epidemic You saying a lot raw hat on what's your take on property During five and probably more important interested in your view on how you think the fundamentals of I guess in Your Case New South Wales rules that will stack up on the other side. But if you've got a view. Broadly across the country loves here Sedley. I'm in in New South Wales on the twenty third of March Was really when it became cla. That all hell was about to Berkeley Stripe but at the same time in New South Wales we had the residential tenancies act implemented and we also had the changes to our education China Russell and that was something that I have been working towards For more than ten knees Sarrazin. I joined the board of the Vice I love real site. Love Real Estate Agent. Some of my best friend incentivized to my family are in industry. But I've had a long held belief that it's always been to eighty for a long time to get into the destroyed and way haven't situation head situation than yourself files way Gaga license You could do it in a month or a month and then you could have been a business without Ivanka. Working in real estate since the fall and to be hammet sows person It was just too quick to mind time. You'll say pay day requirements. You could literally what we had doing. Three and a half minutes online and saw I have been And it's because of that and people look at us and the guy as you make. I'm going to get in and I realize it's not actually an easy way to Michael. I have to behave in a why that professionalize it wouldn't be hive Justice food on the table and side. The whole thing has just saying a spiral downhill since the good old days when I fist time license. Because it took me can't remember Four years to become a value and then another couple of years after that to become a licensed agent. So it's a tough way to make a quick buck because real estate agent is about having a positive and said it's being out or accept rejection. It's being able to understand. You have to work today without any guarantee of earning an income. It's all about building relationships. Old that Bouma outside anyone who thinks guy into real estate for quick buck is informed. Yeah I yeah I completely agree with you but but you know it's like people just saying the version of the day. I say off suits the cows we Kinda car allowance. People have guys always say it's on what's really going on behind. The scenes highlight yet highly social media. I I have to create some of the social media stuff by safe from agents I absolutely cringe and settling in New South Wales. Wayne trying to push for pushing for education and training reforms which had finally happened but we're also pushy towards becoming recognized profession. Which would actually add a liar on top of those reforms because it is such an important. It's such an important role that we play in people's lives whether we're managing their assets away buying and selling the assets. Oldham and and I think we need to be held to a much higher standard and I get infuriated when I say items be hiding because there are some terrible real estate agents. That will do whatever they have to do to get a deal done and I don't want them in our industry Saw I think on the way out at the end of this we will have less people in the industry. They'll be less businesses they'll be less sales people But the people who are there is I talked to realize that identity day and they're in two camps. There are a technical of all night spin of the kids. Nothing wrong with that. That's That that nothing wrong with that but days others that I really trying to be of service in their community. They're communicating with paypal not trying to buy and sell property but just communicating saying okay. This is what's going on in the world for us. What's going on so you can. I help I'm here tonight. Me and it's really interesting to say the different ways that people approach but certainly where we sit today much more positive feeling out there in the market has been in recent wakes which is a a real life what about as the asset class in particular. You Talk to bet we we as invested earlier. So you're invest yourself. How do you feel about the underlying asset in in New South Wales? Would you buy now and importantly what are you saying? Once once the restrictions are relaxed in the room starts going back to the movie while probably a little premature but when when normal lifestyle society come back what what what would be your observations. And what would you be signed? Bikes were thinking of questions. Should Invest Nail? Should we white view? But it'll be interested in your. I'll be interested in your favorite Sorry Mike you is that I had confirmation from mine will strike. Yes tonight that I'm in a position to buy an investment property and sigh. Yes I'm actively looking right now. Will I be sensitive absolutely will and so on? I want jumping nate jump because I'm buying an investment but yes I'm I'm actively looking. I am hearing from agents across the state that I have a lot of stock blonde up September. Now obviously we always not as spring is a popular time to be buying And and to be selling Cy I you know I don't know but I think there's a chance that we're kind of come out this hard and fast way in New South Wales. Were in a in a really strong market right up until a few weeks ago we had clearance rights in the mid seventies even either eighty percent most of the Shia Certainly that's backed off now and as you would expect. There are people that are just not consumer sentiment uncertainty. When when things onset people die make big decisions and telling his decision But just based on what I'm hearing there are still a lot of underlying demand out F- to buy to move so I think that we're going to say quite a lot of activity coming and I think if we manage to get that change to the Sandy That's GonNa have a really positive impact on me. What do you guys think we tend to agree? I mean we've got thing is blind real estate across the country. Rod So we're actually seeing Opportunistic price point as you said. But we feel that the it'll come back to equilibrium create pre covered would come back pretty quickly lodge the only backup lowliest things pent up the mind and the fact that we aren't doing enough has to cater for the for the amount of people that are coming here. But we've said a couple of times on the PODCAST and bought a interested in your feedback on the analogy but Khanna describing it like a car with the engine. Excuse me the engines. Fully cheering cash ride points befogged. Lockheed going Competitive Interest rates. You can get so the engines been oil and grease up fully trained ready to guy. Got The government at the back of the car with Baz pumping the castle fuel. Because you know seems package job. Capers pay-as-you-go lock this money being line into the economy. The problem is the drive account getting the COP and Because if the drive could get in the car that's plenty of fuel and the engines. Prompt READY DOT com. We we feel up on the other side. Wants the dry but can get becky. And we're not we're not necessarily saying property is gone to fly But we we are of the view that it's very hard to make a case that in the rot In the Rock Lake I ride stock not cigarette stock stock. How is it? How is it not reasonable to suggest that once we're on the other saw that will at the very least returned back to where we were pre covet and then if you've got listless things more demand and will people want it? Had that doesn't put a little bit of a nudge on upward pressure on prices in the right areas on the flip side of that If you we've preached on this podcast for five years now that asset selection is critical so and we're talking about SS that. We would consider investment grade. I'd ride acids hierarchy bar. That's uniqueness about them but but on the other side I think Sieg rights definitely but some some be modernised stock We'll we'll be challenged as well because people are looking at their balance sheets now going which can liquidate and no one's liquidating the great stuff. They liquidating the junk stock. And therefore lots on the MAC and that'll put pressure on the process. Yeah we are hearing some some of our Landlords have taken a physically the self-funded guitarist of technically speaking on the stock market. All of a sitting based in in Shays have And of course we that's GONNA come back as well so we don't really want to Sell any of the shades right now. So some of landlords asset of in a position with two liquid I Properties which is unfortunate. But it's just the market is just a mockup wearing right now But yeah the clearance sites. We were experiencing Pray cottage were just really really strong. Side it's racing into belay as you said with a with a each strikes led by out it's not That's not gonNA come back relatively quickly so I I think the taste for us. Because ultimately we're saying demand and supply influenced processing all aspects of of this hybrid period. Medical supplies ridiculously Price Gouging and all that. So it's going going on because of supplying the Mon- issues so the question I have is around. Have you had any indication from the New South Wales government in terms of when we will be able to get back to open Arkan himes and potentially public auctions of the stage? Not No not at all. Yes certainly the premier indicated about a week ago that she would have an announcement at the end of April. I that's what makes next week About what what's happening with the shutdowns She's come out and said schools Third wake of term which is another couple of weeks away The kids can go back. One Guy Wakes they'll have about twenty percent of the kids at the school. Anyone die But that's about as far as we've had so we expect to hear from her next week on that But I think we're GONNA be back to times anytime Lila. That's GonNa be happening anytime soon. So I mean in terms of the predictions that I have about what's going to happen in the market. One of the assumptions that I do my because on. I'm a believer that the September stock supply will be high ass. I would. I would be thinking that we would have some type of I've been hyme posssibility and potentially even public auctions with Sasha distancing side but I suspect that they will be a very strict regime in terms of number of people inappropriate. Anyone on yet stops teams. Now if we get to that level they might confidence of I. Strong Rayban in process will be will be valid if we get to a stage where they still have a second. Sick IS OF SECOND WIFE. Ecorse. That's GonNa have a detrimental effect and that's obviously packed. the a`mobility fable enhance productivity enhance their incomes and unemployment and cycle aside. If all going well wait the next couple of months. We're going to get some results on treatments and also vaccinations zillion occasions on those those programs in at rolling up my understanding this sixty treatment in vaccinations going around the world so those types of things will be critical in terms of confidence for governments to gather people socialize and some mobility that is faithful as we improve the mortality right. And I think that will continue to happen so going well and on the fan on balling amendment as well So I'm good to guy for another property so I think from that point of view that's the that's the people who are in the industry bicycling signing that. We prefer to handle this competition. Yes exactly the buying when when there's a lot more competition because we now frost movement isn't necessarily the result of supply it's the result of strong demand And we know that they will be limited supplies. Are you still going to hand? Pick on his broth- sign united. Stick steer clear of the robby stock. That's after but I think what we will say in terms of results for that Robbie stock that's going to have any impact on median values. And that's going to be Great Media Fata in terms of the headlines but the fundamentals in speaking to you and listening to all gather industry people around the country and weight well network in that spice is that there is a clot optimism in Who's in terms of still go? Quality Ball is still got sellers wannacry. Dan Rydell do what if I'm sorry? I think that that's being lost in in the media noise because you know a guy to the source of the of the market which is the people on the ground. It's not an interesting story for the media is it. That's the problem. I liked drama. No well it's it's not easy to put into a sand. Bought Rock property process down to ten percent is good for. Osama bin Laden and we get a little bit of criticism from that from from the from the Fox. Santa people who guy this is the worst thing ever in the United States the worst time but a of the human psychology and behavioral economics always points to we. We normally arriver anxious in individual times though cyber optimistic win things assuming and you know we have. That's why we have some trust in Soko's and we have sentiment movements so it's an interesting time and you know time will tell but if we lift there is twenty four thirty six months from now ladies ceus. Wade covered in intruders. I go. Where's my crystal bowl I mean. Can you even think about predicting that far out? But certainly I'm a believer in property I think that the fundamentals property I'm particularly where I am in Sydney always going to be going. Yes there's going to be downs But I will be continuing to invest in property because that's where I know strong Bryson's and goodbye Properties that I had. So that's what I'm going to continue to do but I'm not going to give your prediction. It's just gonNA keep going up my friend. Well I think that's the point. I mean when you put into context of your assumptions and the assumptions. I have for the next day months. We'll a vaccine now. If we have a vaccine inside I eight months. They those assumptions than become quite strong in terms of being able to been focused. My ability productivity employment historically low interest rates which means acid appreciation historically before not just in Australia but globally. That's that's what I'm sort of talking about side as for Ryan of ours. We haven't had that vaccine. Nine terms of nine ability in treatments are if we SORTA sighing. It's eighteen months and we've got all these brilliant minds working on a solution bats. My view in terms of the probably three to five years will be significantly higher than that. Today pice that vaccine and bicycling people getting back to my ability in normal loss. Well I hope you're right you're right. I'll look that next thing I'm gonna I mean the giro eight months been. That's been viewed snow. The property catches viewed very generous with Utah. And the last one for me Leeann is You know you started off in the family business year in the city last night years. You now you now. You now successfully juggling a business as well as a royal representing the body. You'll feel industry which juggling those two things in his. Tom Is just props to you. But what once once we get through this. What's the big the next agenda item that you would like to pursue as as the president of the Of That's That is a great question on that. I've actually been thinking about in the last food is certainly al focus in his family on the Chinese education revolt for a really long time. Because even obser- we actually got them through parliament. We couldn't get implemented government because we had a minister who was too fond of the dodgy. Agent Mania Bausch and didn't WANNA do anything productive to wait out the giants like waiting Certainly we are going to work hard on the pouch officialsm because I just passionately believe it's the way the industry needs to guard It's a very difficult word much more difficult than we expected. But that doesn't mean when I'm stop And this is my personal view. This is not something disgusted anybody else on the Board. But had there's been so much going on around the country that some inconsistent. I really think that we made to inaugurate. Tried to Have a national national legislation and national authorisations itself before and from what I could say. A guys wouldn't allow that to happen and how others feel about that but I did something. I'm certainly going to explore with other people around the country because It's really it's a massive if we if we all had the same rules that would've made it sound much as everybody that Nola tamed backing the Guy Leon in terms of the cow egg doing that. It really disappoint me of the signed era. We've got law sensing a four of the the locations around the country. The compliance cost the red tide. The it's just it's ridiculous that we and as the country of twenty five million people Even also having different land autos across such a small population. It just makes absolutely no sense. It'll type visit Greg. Listen they started. This was before been great list than than fulfilled slug. When someone says has probably GonNa try there if you even the weeds. We can't even get states and territories to have a regulation you different ways to transact real estate in western strident in use. So just just that alone should help. People land the fact that we we mockery market sub-markets within sub markets within sub market. If anyone's what's probably going to do in Australia you're asking the question why to borrow an nominate asking what probably is going to do. In Sydney. There are dozens and dozens of different markets and different market conditions in Sydney and dino react sign wipes Anton so some particularly when the market's moving It might be moving in the eastern suburbs one direction but in west something else and so it's very hard and so when you have a look at the At auction clearance is another media. Loves OPTION CLEARANCE RIGHTS BUT LET's young Mesopotamia percentage of the market? It only tells part of the story Yeah it's very hard to get anyone indicator that gives you a really good teacher and land fondly in terms of tenancy reform as you said that that that legislation has passed What's your view on some of those legislative changes and and is there anything that you know? We still want to say adjusted moving forward in legislation. Look way on at the at the institute had something like sixty five thousand words of reports that way sent to government some of what we advocated. They they They implemented some didn't I think the you know the domestic violence situation. That's that's complicated. And we absolutely do want to be able to help people in domestic violence situations but again now headed situation yesterday when somebody is using a domestic violence an idea that was taken out a year ago against somebody. Who's currently in jail one hundred and the person's moves one hundred fifty miles away from where? I used to leave and they using that all the lace now I. I don't know I just think that some of these things just need today Finished a little bit. I mean you were fortunate enough. I mean you know in terms of New South Wales around the the no reason close off. The ninety died termination that that that to me is the the real concern. It's going to what's that was hard to get to let me tell you way really had to fight hard for that while it sensible rod because what what. Now is the risk of happening in Victoria and also in Queensland as a tendency Tennessee laces cooled guy. Full full years five years right so that could be the stained and not everyone wants a five-year or full year lace but ultimately under the new arrangements way by that first period that first period of the lace lapses that Tannin effectively has control of that property for the rest of their laws. Now we feel at a guy. The answer is somewhere in the middle. That's putting extremities to one end When the owner of the acid bicycling is in control of their NSF. That thousand aqua so again as you mentioned before way on in the business social housing social housing should be provided by governments. It's a wise thing mantra but because of abandoned that And I am way to more efficiently at all of a sudden now. The attention is turning on the pool. Asarco GRADY PROBABLY INVEST. Whose name being impacted by the way we feel that coins. Lions coming into that spy shot now. Well let's decide that we can go. When is property owners a gang With concerns around that particular policy. So we just feel that you know thank you thankfully newsouth lyles a set the precedent for that to be challenged and we hope coins will follow with you and then we'll come back to Victoria inside the. It's just not practical policy and these are the unintended consequences of the policy. Which you haven't seen because you didn't ask for our input you bicycling went to the tendency Want that's disappointing. And that's been such a massive. Listen to me In my time this is my second term as president of some of the instituting south wiles. And my my big listen. Is that some of the unintended consequences from government decisions absolutely massive and saw. It's incredibly important that way. It will really hard to have positive productive relationships with government and regulators Which is sometimes easier than Tom But it's really really important because if they trust US and trust that way not just trying to get everything out why you can swim. We need to have a balance but to work effectively for everybody. Well said Leeann we. We've really enjoyed having probably catchy. Provided them. Some wisdom from Kellyanne a number of decades full real site in general baton clearly giving us an update on on. What's happening on the grand in New South Wales with respect to the environment? We've ISOS in so I've been appreciate your time tonight And I'm sure our audience will really appreciate the thoughts navigating the next couple of months With your with your own business within your role as the prisons in that thanks for coming on the probably catch. Thanks so much for having me. I enjoyed it. Well Ben what. I'll have a better position. Is You know we? We clearly have an opportunity to through this podcast. It's share information to community but had what is it the front right and having conversations with folks likely that adjust for latest really articulate. Really intelligent around a lot of stuff but in this case clearly ran real sided real estate specifically New South Wales Barge. Well from my confidence in terms of you know when we come out of this crosses what the market looks like and and getting inside is looking terms of the I saw So you know when we're asking questions about you know the How how an agent performs and what their challenges are and all that we get a greater insight and appreciation in terms of what they're doing but what I did like was the optimism associated with. What's happening out there? So we've moved from panic to ACCOM- state and I think from that point of view we will We will see the fruits of that asked to play at as we as we come out of our of our current mobility restrictions so on quality. Optimistic AS OIL. Wise Ambrose in terms of where we say and Leeann and and the team at the site interested in wiles and all the professional agents at the I ready for that or preparing for for what. That looks like it's going to be good times for all you know. Hopefully once once we get into a more normal wildlife yep so thanks again Leeann we certainly appreciated Yotam and we had a really really great chat with you which I'm sure our listeners will get a lot of information a lot of benefit from so. I've been affected I is. I WanNa just encouraged me at the beginning of that guy is exempt quiet around The fact that we will have twenty four hours side selected direction a lack of Thomas. The problem and of of sort of been thinking because you and I both Hungry for more information hungry for learning. And I'm what what I wanted to plant save with that community is you just go to take opportune times to slow the learning. So listen to podcasts as to You as the I watch a lot of courses but I fit them in when I'm doing other things so I'll give an example often have When the kids got into bed ban on tidying-up hassle gone through the kitchen will doing the dishes or whatever it is. I usually have an iphone or an ipad on the on the wind. I sealed hit near the kitchen. I have my April Dean and I'm happy to take that fifteen. Twenty minute chunk over colds of a podcast of some form of material using that Tom. That actually distracts me from the fact that I'm doing A troll and it just puts the full front that I'm actually doing something to feed my mind. Fema Bryan Oh and by the way Tom up with the being in the kitchen got audio or whatever it is those doing so we often think that consuming information is the old school you sit at the window with your book iron. The fall has been looking at the window to satellite satellite or Sunday afternoon but That we tight these These opportunities to feed that moines Because I used one. The personal development and growth amazed is really about one thing. Upgrading Thinking and I'm always caned upgrade thinking Ben some looking fillets opportunity to arms to seize the opportunity in the small moments. 'cause everyone's really busy and not many people have an opportunity to guy are not going to sit down for three hours and read a book or watch coal or listen to some content or whatever it is that small effect tonight man fond the at the amount of the loans with the headphones inside. I concur with that beautifully. Now did you now. Ross did you look just talk about supply side of the probably markets that. I just didn't move on so give good friends and Co logic once again giving us some some thoughtful data here but Up until basically stat Sunday. We've seen advertised CEOS because remember. There's still plenty of little off market stuff going on as well as we've talked about but avatar stock stock on market across the street. Twenty four thousand and fifty one properties. The last twenty is to East Sunday so that's the data. Now that represents a full on year-on-year listings of twenty seven point eight percent so people following what we said Bras. Which is if you don't need to sell Roy now on so Rodney and so normally you would say stock around thirty thousand in these sort of time on Tomlin for normal year so that he's obviously has been reduced so be careful with what you're looking at and just remember from APP wanted to you. There is a clear difference between investment grade and investment stock so the investment grade stuff is hard to fall into the monument. So don't be hanging juice bar something that's really cheap because it's really for raisin stay clear of that particular asset talk side there it is just a. Yes. Supply side Twenty seven percent decline in stock on market so CEOS listings In the last twenty side people are hibernating their properties bras. I Bet I just want to quickly add to that the during the week we had the brain trust of fool. Plant property bars replanning together. And the compensation was you know. Always always part of that. There's there's a lot of intellectual horsepower in that discussion and part of it was Iran looking under the Bonnet of particular client. Circumstances been and the folder. They're on their during a challenging situation right now but the head and on investment properties and what was really clear in that discussion been was when we're going around the grants for all the advisers. What they should do in terms of a workshop rhinestone? No one actually said They should Get rid of the properties. 'cause they'd clearly perform in what I was saying is all that stuff that they've owned since two thousand and twelve and hasn't even done hasn't even done one percent compounding into Tom. One point seven percent companion during. That's really what any of these properties more than two percent during that Tom. So what is interesting? Ben Is during a pandemic that we're going through now people looking at portfolios and they're not getting rid of investment grade properties that are in good suburbs have been good locations that serve. I very good community. They're looking at getting rid of the junk stock. So I thought that was an awesome anecdote that sort of fades into what you're saying earlier that Now now when you know. Warren Buffett said when the toilet is swimming naked that can sound like a platitude but now that he's out can actually have to see. Decision comes back to assets front so very good. Did you and I thank you for that. Hopefully enjoyed With Leeann Bilton as much as I did been until next week. Knowledge is empowering Bryce but only if you act on it well next week Thai exports hold why he before you go if you're new to our community and the only listened to maybe a handful of episodes. 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Bobo & Pickle Show

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46:26 min | 2 months ago

Bobo & Pickle Show

"Welcome to the Biz for show. Where we highlight misfits, outcasts and renegades for the being good at doing good movement. We spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection. The showing the true secrets is excess and creating a life of greater impact. So come on board and create your own phys for good life. Introducing the new show. Amazing. Joe On all of your. Allergies out there the Bobo and pickles Yo. boba would pickle what is the mobile and Bickel Show Ryan I mean bickel. About this shows, right? Yeah Bobo and pickle tell me about the I mean. Just pickled, tell me about what is this show about what is the bubble and pickle show The story storytime storytime meets Mike's not. Yet is turn me up not working baby here our work. is so weird. His lasting go down and up and then. bo-bo yeah. I'm pickle coaster. Well, how did we get her name's? Oh. Is that what we should start with I don't know how we got our names because mine's not that interesting. Started calling my wife whose name is monique. Monique started calling her Momo. Color unique. Could've called. Roy Yeah But They called her Momo and. So to counteract. Pet named hers. Well. Your Mobile. Belbow. Might not be the term of endearment you might want it Bobo. Mine. She for a while called me Bo Jones but oh, Oh yeah Bo Jones Joe. Halo Jones Went Bobo namely were. I got married we were going to. Put on our answering machine. You've reached Bobo mobile the clown. Leave, S it. We felt better thought that might be. Not that cool as we thought it was. I still call her Momo's she does call me Bobo sometimes if she's really liking me Oh so you can gauge your liking. The nicknames of Fallen Yeah Bickel Okay tell us what's pickle? Where'd progressive? Mine. Yeah. What I just said? That's nothing. Much story there. Will of you got. A nickname you got one bobo. Mr. bojangles. Jiang. Do Bow. Ripped Tom Jelly to tell us about your. Name. Pickle stir bigalow mater pick later, and later pickle later. Blink Pilatus. Lincoln. Compelled Burton pickle. Yeah, my last name's Pilkington. So asks named Pilkington My dad nickname was filc and then pill the pill and then I got Pilkin in. bilked. Your. I don't know. I don't like that name they bilked now why? Because it was your dad's because I don't like it. When people call me Bob Because that was my dad. Yeah I'm not Bob I'm not trying call me Bob I'm like dude. That's my dad. I'm bobby period or above he got he got calls. From all his workers. On the between fielding come and go here. We'll. Mind Bo- Hilo is okay. With. Not. Bob. So anyway I hear what you're saying. The where the hell did pickle. Right. So I went on a mission to New Mexico mission. What the Hell is a mission right you were on a mission went on the shot or short. What is the mission mean? What do you mean I guess this NASA knelt and they said you're going on a mission. Vision to the moon the mission. Impossible. During the. Day, you choose to take this nation. will spend two years talking about God who choose to take it. So for an the LDS church. For the Church and Jesus Christ of latter excuse we have to see that got. Four. But we got. Yes. I win when I was nineteen to the nomination Navajos nation and. Now whole nature lying. Start. Toaster to. I love you all out there in New Mexico you just do something to piss people probably somebody's Mad Dang it. You're making fun of the Indians you freaking son of a fill the mackerel. How dare you make fun of people on the planet? Gases. Anyway, what's happening? Hey we're GONNA let's go bigger go home. I'm GonNa have some fun with this show. Here maybe Bobo. You can be Bobo Bobo. I could be Bobo thought. That's what we were talking about. Pickle Yeah Okay what do you mean be Bobo, I thought that was already established. We still don't know how you got your freaking name. Mr Pilkington so they call elders or sisters. Because Assistant. Feel. Like our last names are predominant needs. So why was he call you sister if I was a girl? Oh, only if you were girl and identified as a girl that I'm pretty sure I'd be a sister. Okay. Go that's fairly straightforward, but I don't think it works. So, Elder Pilkington and when I went to the novel Reservation Somehow got picked up elder pickle. From the little kids what you've told me in the past, they couldn't say built. They couldn't can't a lot of them really older pokemon. POKEMON. So, pickle I. Don't know the actual time in space. When was have happened pickle bud oddly enough. I had a girl friend in high school right before. Work early. Very curly. was, a girl. She. Scenic she pickle Oh beforehand, it would many years I remember I got a note went back to my stuff. Oh Because she facebook. She's like you know I, gave you the name before it was. Oh And she went by we'd. She went by we'd. Gosh. Nickname. We. Would have been. A little plant plant we goes people are pissed off about. They pick and they. Take it out. Throw it actually. Yeah. Many. Were they smoking what? DARN IT ABC makes people. Happy. That's why she's called. I never have never asked her never asteroid because it goes I just snarled smiling around you I'm going to call you we've now. Hang around with we'd a little bit. So I can. Go. anyways in a note, it said. You know have a good birthday her we. Hang out with Weeden zd. CANNABINOID. That's her brother. Thank you very much. Ken. How do we know how we got your name because they couldn't say Bill Clinton yes. So So when Hell I can't say my name half the I was able to get a badge said elder pickle, but I couldn't ever wear it officially but I have it at home. It's got elder pickle really. Elder pick and also we went by instead elder wieland by gum. Comedy Person Of God Ooh that's what it meant in. The novel. Person of God. So it'd be gum bickel. Gunman elderly I got two of those sounds like a good pickle you WANNA eat gum. Pickles. They're the best ones. Forget this spicy. Golly, they're a little sweet, a little spicy, and then a little tart all the same time. Commonly, pickles are the god of big also. Make a golf. Oh my gosh there it is. You've heard it I on the very first Bobo and pickle show whole. Gummy but. Again, I'm Ali, Dhamma Legal Mugabe. You can order them on gummy pickles dot com maybe someday. If we. Pickles you go she'd make pickles, Brian they need to be a little sweet little tangy. Hot Baptize all at the same time. It's a winner we're going to get some. Got Baptized. What you're saying Well that sacrilege. That had them in vinegar. That's right. There we go. Just, a saying doesn't mean they actually baptized. Church during their drenched in there drenched in a lot of vinegar spicy goodness. Tasty Vinegar. Makes you feel spiritual. So that's it. That's the show. Now you know we got our nicknames. Hopefully what does this show about how this? What are we doing here? Or do we know we? We just came up with the name? Yeah, I. think that's exactly what? Is that we don't have a clue about what this is i. think just you and me we just have a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun and talk about rain out or any podcasts out there have a lot of fun talking about stupid Shit Yeah stuff I mean. We. Don't know where you're going to go with the. Maybe we maybe we can focus in and find it I. Think we should tell some of the stories we we're talking about today and talk about okay. We're GONNA. Talk About Bobo and pickle life stories for now for a little bit which one which one do you WanNa go with the not are you pick one of mine and I'll pick one of years who? I know which one? Oh. Okay Do. The Alaska one the Alaska one that is okay. I want you to do the hooker one. You've done on that other show we're not talking about this is these are new fans different people that listen to this show are different kinds of people, Ryan. This is not the same people on that other show through just so you know, yeah, we're people that will really appreciate the Hooker Story. You're looking at your you legitimately do people. He is like texting on his phone while trying to it right in the middle of pot. Okay. Go ahead you want me to go first with my story. Yours is better. So that's probably. Is Not. Okay. So Bobo back in his past many many years ago. Had A had a wild hair up his bottom? And and said, you know what? I'm in Texas in Amarillo, I'm living in Amarillo Texas I Brian I buy bread van for five hundred bucks I. Know You deal was a big one, thousand, nine, sixty, four, GMC bread van idea that Oh it was the coolest. It had a shifter like behind me and if you've seen the pictures, the shooter was this big long pipe that was sticking out of the middle of the floor, and that's how and I would have to reach back here, put the clutch in reach behind me and put it into gear and it was only three years. I was a Brit supposed to be delivered I. Don't know I think it was a different setup than what it originally I think it was probably a column or something I don't know how they did this, but it was Funky I had a nut on the top and a piece of wood on the top of the and it was literally it was like three feet high. I've got pictures and you can see it in there I'm like that's the shifter in this like it's behind you how do. To grow back here and shifted, but it was huge. So it worked trust all. Going up hills sucker doing this. All Year Oh trump's gonNA. Love One. It was that Brad Vanden you. So when I first bought it. We would go out partying. So yeah, it's yours. If. You want it. So we would go out and we had a bunch of dudes I remember. I had like seven or eight dudes in the back of his bread banner. You know we're just driving around just flopping around in the back. There's no it was completely open just metal in the back, and somehow these girls drive up next is not cool role. And this girl I don't know what she was thinking. The passenger girl like. Come on, come on job so she. Jumps in I don't know what I don't know if she thought it was just a big party in this big man. But she gets in. And I'm like, okay, this is not good for her because it's all just like seven or eight. Ed's in this bread Van I. Think once she got in and we drove down the road she's like okay. This was a big mistake on my and I'm like OK. Guys Luckily, her girlfriend did not leave her. So at the next light or something I said Hey do you want to get back in your card she? Here, that'd be great terrorized. A whole but hopefully, she wasn't groped or anything too. Badly I don't know we never heard. She's part of the me too movement probably. Yes. So and And I could tell that you know, hey, this could get out of hand really really quickly. We had we had a lot of interesting times in the bread van was just say that but I remember that one getting it but and then I had this wild hair that I was going to go be a fisherman in Alaska fishermen had this great idea why not? Well, I had been to the library and I was like what a weird jobs. So it was I went to the library. This is back in the early early nine. They has book. Yeah. Where they have books I, go into the library and I. I get this I find a book on Jobs, interesting jobs or high paying jobs or whatever there was logging all. Fishermen in Alaska was WANNA. Oh. That sounds they can make forty bank. Oh, they really good money. We could do it just. So happens that somebody I knew knew somebody had a relative up there that had a fishing boat. And so I called the Dude in Alaska. and. He was like, who is this? Why are you calling me? I WANNA come in Alaska and I'm like I don't know if he gets a lot of these calls or whatever. Okay. Sure. Yeah. We could probably figure out. So I'm like cool. I got a job in. Alaska. I'm. Sad? I don't call guy back. Anything ever no. I just decided I'm going to drive to Alaska from Texas and be in a British. And be a fisherman. Story. So it'd be a book. It's to be a book, the Trap Bobo and. A Bogo the travels through. So, Anyway I. Carpet the whole back of the I'm GonNa make a comfortable dude I'm going on a big trip. So I- carpet the whole thing I get some Naja-nivea Shangen wagon shaggy wagon and I have a queen size bed full queen size bed in the back of this bread van half of the back of the bread van is just my big queen bed on this nice? Mattress. Well, my mom she had these no flat tires back in the day on her big fancy car and they put those cool tires these these really really expensive tires on the bread so I would never have to worry about flats or anything. Totally worked to buy late. Wow. I drove ten thousand miles in this van to Alaska. Long, story, Short I. Get there. Get to the guy's place. He's not there. I call him and I go hey, do called you like two months ago. Can we have a job and he's like what? What what John Yeah he's like do I'm full up I've got all my boats are full. Dude I just drove ten thousand miles. He's like I'm sorry. Yeah. It was quite the adventure but inbetween there got some fishing pole and just went through town. Why went to the the the? Just like any city has the job place where you go get a job, you know this for the city or whatever. That well, it just so happens just. So you know in Alaska, lot of kids go of they're looking for Fisher jobs. That was like five hundred of us. At the. At the the employment place. Five, hundred at least five hundred gives and they have all these videos playing, and most of these kids get jobs at the canneries not inefficient. Fishing boat is where you can make some good money right? They don't let anybody get on the fishing boat you're in the cannery cutting the heads off fish you're eighty hours a week. Fifteen bucks an hour or so I mean, it's Just. It's not horrible money, but it's pretty brutal and everybody lives in tents on the canneries far area. Wow. But I was in class these guys all had tests. I had a frequent bread van with full. Yes. With a queen size bed. Did. You Play Queen on you're listening to the band? Yeah. Did you listen to me? I had. Yeah. I just watched Bohemian rhapsody. Recently. So anyway, Gosh none of this has anything to do with the story that I was actually going to tell I like to set up that was the setup of of the actual story. So I'm in the Yukon, this is on the Alaskan highway I'm going to Alaska I've been on the road it took me ten days to get there well. I've been on road six seven days something like that is the fall winter. Some gets it's it's right after it. I was the air night bobby said cold and crisp. Or is it? April it's April so it's Cold up there than no, no wasn't that CO actually April. Maybe, the beginning of May something like that wasn't that cold. Well sometimes. But in Alaska got up to ninety degrees of times ray. But at night it's gotta go down. Yeah, we get. Sometimes we get chilly and I had below zero black dude I came totally prepare. Compared prepare. But Anyway, so I'm in the middle of I'm in the middle of the Yukon. In the middle of absolutely nowhere nowhere on the Alaska highway driving along. And you know usually I would just kind of pull over alongside the road, which is another cool story about most that comes up to my window but I'm not GonNa, tell that one who? Okay. So I set this house there's this house in the middle of nowhere. Yeah that. There's this house in the middle of nowhere and it says RV parking RV RV new you know like like. RV Park Yeah there you go but it's a house. Yeah, it does get a little creepy here. Yeah we need to keep pushing that button for a lot of the show. So that's cool place to stay here for the night and it was Kinda early there hadn't been traveling that long I I took it pretty easy. I. Would you know? Bread van didn't go over fifty miles an hour anyway but. I pull into this. House that says it's an RV bark. And and. There's this people there in this house the family you know some kids and a mom and a dad and. That kind of local some stuff like that and I'm like so there's an RV park. Can you stay there oh? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. You can stay here and they're like, do you want just just a pad? Do you want to you want food? He can get food too. That's cool. Yeah. I'll I'll have a pad and food and it was like fifteen bucks fifteen bucks it was like fifty bucks for forever. And so my okay cool. Where do I get the food and they'll? Come in so. We all sat down at the table I sat down at his family's table and they. Just. Like you would. Suck you at any other family get together. You said it didn't you pass around the food what do you want and it was the most surreal? It was like they just took me. A, Long. lost. Cousin. An RV people that supposed to be at the RV. Park? Great. Yeah, they weren't there but did do a couple of the food was great. The food was amazing. But I am getting this deliverance vibe. And I'm thinking. A little funky. then. You know you WANNA. Do anything I'm going to do anything like what we have a canoe the back, and you can go canoe when the lake back there. Really deliverance at that point I'm in a canoe. Travelling in the lake on the canoe it was actually beautiful. It was wonderful is amazing. I'm there by myself in the canoe. It's cool. It was a little free. You know the the late kind of felt like the Friday, the Thirteenth Lake. What's that lake? On Time Map. Lake, whatever that Lake is Friday thirteenth. The Halloween anybody yeah. No. No the Friday, the thirteenth lake it's something lake. Anyway everybody on the planet who's ever seen except for you and me I can remember what that lakes Lake. something. You know let's period where Jason is lack of mom lives and To be truthful I've never seen Halloween. Or Frank. I'm talking about fried you keep saying, Halloween. It's a completely different movie are nothing alike other than people get killed by a dude okay. Other than that. There really one is in suburb during Halloween fray thirteen's with Freddie. That's another completely different. That's that's a nightmare on ELM street. Yeah announce three. Yeah that's A. Different Movie Ryan you're fired about armor. That's it. You're done. So anyway. I Have A. Good time on the lake and I get and I find a little spot for my my bread van and it's nineteen sixty it's an old it looks. Ancient. Rundown. Bucket Yeah it's but it runs in it. Even pointed puppy Parkin. It gets nighttime and I go to sleep. and. I WANNA say it's like too. It's around two in the morning two or three in the morning it's it's not when everybody's out partying. Some Ito's. But some wakes me up I don't know what wakes me up but I'm. I'm in the bed all my queen bed in the back doors have these two little windows and I'm laying down right underneath the two little windows. It's interesting. All of the sudden. I don't know why I woke up. But I see a hand moving up the window really slowly. He pushes its finger on the window. And it starts to make a letter. Really. Slowly. I at this point I'm like I am in a horror flick right now. I'm totally okay. I'm thinking okay. This is really frigging the not talking whoever it is that just this hand that looks like this creepy dead evil. Corpses hand. No it just like a regular hand. But at that point, I was feeling that way and he's riding. Writing out some letters on my window, not a foot in the half from my head. Right right breakdown. Talking. There is like there's a bunch of people out there anything it's just It's just Jason I know it's Jason out there with his frigate. That's when all hell breaks loose and I killed him. So he right. He finishes writing and I look up and he's written howdy Ithaca. Window Audi Ithaca to this day don't have a clue what was in that person if you're that person, please tell us why you're. Out, he is. What does that mean? Why would you write that on a windy windy a window. Howdy Ethica why would you do that? Don't know. But. So I'm like okay. It's a frequent weird dude. I'm just going. Go back to sleep. I'm like you know what? I'm just going to pretend none of that happened until he starts to try and break into the door right? Well. Gets to the front. So this is how I lock my. The bread van has this little swinging swinging door in the front right where the where the where I sit just like you do with the ups guy swinging door. Well there is no like real lock so I. I put a padlock on the outside and I the window and I can padlock the door and then I shut the window right? Right. Well. I hear the Jiggling on the bad lock to. Go this is it's all. Just so happen. I. Put my thirty thirty with from Texas man everybody's got. My rifle all the way. Let me take it from from us to Canada when they that's another story when the. Candidate police people gutted the various waiting for drugs. So. Funny. One of the cops even said, so have you seen many drugs lately and How does that? On people giving people really. Do. I. Got a ton anyway. So. That's it. I grabbed my thirty thirty and I'm like, okay it's on Jason I'm here I've seen every horror movie out there no problem I can take you on I know what not to do? Don't open. Any unnecessary doors. Don't get away from everybody else 'cause I'm not with anybody else. So I, go to the window and I slide the window over real fast. Hey. The. Dude. Like Up almost falls these. Like. This was. Van. Mike it's not an abandoned, van? Okay and I'm sorry he. Runs Up. Walks off or whatever. So. A Beata a beat Jason. Scared him so much. cooped. Is Evil Ways. I went back to sleep. So that's my story. This is. Why am I calling you freaking pick a pig. We gotta get used. You got you gotTa okay. But what exactly? What would pickle? What Bo Bo, what are? We should tell the story of that guy's point of view. So he's like. I'm checking out some. There's this old abandoned. Let's a little breath van. It's only two o'clock in the morning nothing to do. No I feel. I pride no poem right now. Howdy not. Audi. Hello Howdy I. think that's more poetic. What if you would've wrote? I want to give what I want to kill. Might, have been a little more freak out but not much just if his mind woulda went to. Darker. You pissed your pants. Now I would have CH- The gun. Yeah. I did scare the when I opened that windows. Pretty funny. Okay. This is not ready to kill anybody. I just think he pissed himself pretty good. You you both got scared. Yeah. It it was a mutual each I just made a Harley for him and he made a horror movie for me yeah. I'm Jacob Um the thing he do when he started Gigolo lock. Do Okay I'm GonNa be never seen from again because I'm GonNa the middle of nowhere. Yes. Knowing. It's your turn man. Top Story Oh yours is good. Told US got Utah Story better than I do. Your story can I do. Some excerpts? When you start talking to reminds me that okay between you're GONNA do in any of that's true. Mister Bobo, Mr Bojangles, Bobo bub-bubba. Let's see It was the year two, thousand and two, zero, zero, zero ten. Two thousand ten to two zero, one ten somewhere in there and I moved to Denver from. Yeah. Is that better? That's my. Skin. So, two, thousand, ten, two, thousand in a world war, on their two, thousand two, I'm from a small town of Hira population five. Hundred. Small Town it's called. Anyway I moved to Denver to. Go. To. School Colorado Colorado. Not. Denver Utah No. I don't think there's. You went Alaska went to, DENVER? Colorado. DENVER. I drove through Denver on the way to Alaska. There you go. I? Seventy. Yeah. So. Bad because shoot. You. Tired of your bread. Damn Stale bread. We don't want money. You're stale bread jerks. It's the first thing I think when in nineteen, sixty four. Brandon Bradman. Where's the BAGELS law? So yeah. he was going to college and doing our design and graphic design and. So. I would take jeep in drop my wife off to work, and then I would go to I worked in the library so I would get there very early to open up the library. and. So I parked the carbon I went to Burger King. Right, Yep to Burger King and picked up the controversal. Was it. The breakfast biscuit or? REPRE-. No and you say it's biscuits right I say the Crisanto you say it's the song. Is His wife is adamant that it was the the biscuits of the biscuits. I thought. She said it was a Burrito I don't but I. Wasn't there. So how does she know exactly she remembers you tell the story back pretty sure she wouldn't have done. Then, than I did well, okay, I. got to put previous see. Before we go, any further Ryan is a sweet fella. And he's from a tiny town. And not. been. One on a mission and saw things but I was always. Good guiding right and. The best people believe the best. Okay. Keep going on this story. Is so good. So early and size my sandwich, and it was the middle of December or January. It's cold called the snow's Denver Cold Gin going down other snow gently fall. Apart, in a parking garage in the very basement of a garage, the only car there you're the only car, they're only car there and all all. So I, eat my my one croissant. Kinda. Lay there and to my music jam now match. In a here. On the window. And I looked and there's this girl. And I was like, I, can I help you? She's like shivering and she wasn't really talking to you. At me. Weird Weird Okay Ryan just so you know that's the first. Time I say that's the first red flag is he's winking at you weird like smiling and. Okay smiling gave. You. That's the little. That's interesting. It wasn't like a normal conversation. So. Yeah. In Roll down the window and she's Shivering shivering, she never said anything she just shivered. I don't know if that was her lawyer. Damsel in distress move. Them so called. What would you do if you saw that? Illinois on Earth. Do. The smartest thing I can think of and. In my jeep. It's complete strangers. Cold You, pour cold. Let me help you out. Yeah. My vehicle. The fact that she did that it's kind of funny about. This she knows. Say. Okay. Usually that's what would happen. When you find them dead later. Right. Ladies don't do that. She. Good thank you there boom Bam rolled the window back up. Now I'm thinking okay. Now what do I do? I gotTA turn turn the Heat Up. Right gotta turn the Heat Up. On GonNA turn the car was on, you really easily could have. Took off Oh. Yeah. You're gonNA decent me I don't know I don't have. The car lovey-dovey but. JUST MAY BE A. Matter. What's He GonNa turn up the heat. I think any other guy any other guy? This would have been the best opportunity for them but not me. You're helping this poor girl shivering girl our. Just, that's all you're thinking. You Think, oh my gosh she's freezing to death. You did say she was still fairly not. winterle clothed. She was no coat. No coat Noko just a blouse in A. It was actually midriff Blouson. BELLYBUTTON. FREAKING DENVER or whether it's snowing yeah. That's why I was. So random like what are you? Get in my car and warmer. Trumping. Get so much better. What happens then Ryan? Yeah. This is where it goes. She says So. Are you a cop. Okay Ryan. This is the second red flag. I was the winking now the COP question the question is a big. Red Flag Ryan what were you thinking when she asked you that? What the hell. Why would you? She asked me cop still would instill into know whatever is going on. You just think that that's really straight. That's that's a strange comment to say in my car I'm like. No so now I'm thinking. They think I got drugs and this is a cop and. You're on a sting. I'm going to be a stunner. Hunger. For, drugs, you don't think anything about the church and. Drugs, on her and then she 'cause. Oh. Wow. That would be totally different. Is that what you were really. Little bit maybe. You started to kind of get a message pay. 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I love this bar. So then what are you dillard? Well, I, don't do that Sorry but I have this crisan which. I have this cred sought. Twenty dollars and I don't really want. Married support. But but I do have a crisanto. Which? Her face. So it down she took it like. Doing. As whole. Still in the car. Now, what are you thinking at this point? What's in your head I can I can take you home. So that's what you said is that what you were thinking in your head? Yeah was trying to get her out of the. Okay, can I just open the door and drive off real fast throwing out Kenneth Take you home. Yeah can I is there somewhere can take you where you can be safe. Yeah Still Probably. Twenty dollars. Not a Damn Khorasan which. Sandwich. So you of what happened to me ten years prior. I would have been sixteen. So. That would have been different different outcome not married six. Oh Totally really that would have been a different than. Twenty Bucks I would probably. Well. This just took a dark turn Ryan I was just going to keep going with. Okay. Then winning. adrover out of the parking you told me where to go with the worst part of younger and a place called Colfax which I knew is bad because when we first moved to Denver, we were told to avoid that. The Flake? Nothing on there's to sale where you live. There's two sides of Colefax is a good sign in the bad side. Got It. And then you went into the best. Actually did some photography on Colfax during my time school there and found some great pictures of. The locals. Very. Cool. So then So. So and then she told me where Joe Sandwich she did she ate the whole thing. And it was pretty quiet at that time we're sitting here her smack. Shoes still probably thinking. Probably as my twenty she never really like you know, thanks for the chronology or anything that's what I wanted to hear. I needed twenty bucks for some crack I know. So I took her and she walked off into the distance middle of an like an alley. With snow coming this snow midriff shirt on midriff. Dolly reason totally freezing shoe was twenties. And you've got the hell out of there as fast as you go back to work and Okra does she have a pimp? GonNa come to you do give my woman Chris Sandwich. You always twenty dollars for her company. Twenty dollar. Goodness. Oh Wow. That is. See. You can be a normal human being is still have good stories out there maybe, and that's what this is about right. Normal people with crazy story. Raise. Normal people off the wall people with crazy. Just human beings in crazy stories, Phil Knight Editing, and I need to eat some. Yeah. Yeah. I need to row. We've been going forty four minutes. Wow I gotta sooner take here. Yeah. That's right. Well. This has been. A production of US forget show Biz for good show. Of a production, this is a side production, Cypriot Mogo and pickle Hickel show show the mobile and pickle show mobile pickles. Dot Com. BUBBLE ON TICKLE DOT COM it's taken. 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 Is democracy in America under threat?

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Is democracy in America under threat?

"Today. Is Donald trump trying to rake November's election. Leaving everybody. It was the Democratic National Convention and Present Barrack Obama was giving his bay keynote speech. I'm in Philadelphia where our Constitution was drafted and signed. There wasn't a perfect document. He made a speech from the museum to the history of the US Constitution in Philadelphia, which is where because Tusha was drafted and signed. So is it Kinda symbolic location behind him was a facsimile of the Constitution itself but embedded in this document? Was a North Star that would guide future generations. A system of representative, government, democracy. Through which we could better realize our highest ideals. It was a striking speech because we used to bomber on the campaign trail being very sort of out. Very valiant, very rhetorical wants. On this occasion, he was very restrained. He was almost. SAMBA. And what he said was extremely Worry, because that's what's at stake right now. Our democracy. This president and those empower those who benefit from keeping things the way they are. They are counting on your cynicism. They know they can't win you over with their policies. So they're hoping to make it as hard as possible for you to vote. And to convince you that your vote does not matter. That is how they went. So that is how they get to keep making decisions that affect your life. And the lives of the people you love. And the killer line that he came up with was. That's how a democracy weather's. Use. The word with us, which I thought was. Pretty powerful until it snowed democracy at all. He was telling the American people and that in his opinion we were in a place of danger in terms of how democracy functions in the United States. And we cannot let that happen. Do not let them take away your power. Do. Not. Let them take away your democracy. Some people would say barrack Obama would say that wouldn't he? and. Donald Trump have no love lost between them. But that's where things start to get interesting I think because. Obama was just a ticketing something that we're now starting to hear more and more people say people who are not party political who are not partisan. And who really know what they're talking about? These are the. Experts in election. Law, election history. Constitutional in history and they're all saints actor the same thing that democracy in America is in peril. The Guardian US's cheap reporter at Pilkington has been speaking to some of the country's most prominent figures across civil rights, the law and academia. What may told him as left questioning the State of democracy in America? From The Guardian. Today focus. Will the US election be fact? At even Baltimore I imagine is quite a daunting reporting projects trying to survey the help of one of the biggest and oldest democracies in the world. Democracy itself is such a huge idea. There are elements of it that. Really, quite abstract among other aspects that are quite concrete. Let's start with those practical examples. Who did you talk to about that? Okay. Let's go on the voice memo now. Yes. Races. Much to Michael. Waldman he's president of the Brennan Center for Justice at New, York University's law school a founder of a knowledgeable authoritative information about how elections function in America I asked Michael to take me on as a quick. Tore of America to show me what has been happening. There's voter suppression of many different types and flavors. All over the country. Some of it is is actually historical over it still goes on today for instance, seventeen million people were person the voter rolls in the most recent two years studying the Brennan Center did. A lot of them eligible. This is happening off in in Republican controlled states, and the argument that Republicans put forward is they say a lot of that people on less of a lot of citizens who are not entitled to vote on the less. But actually when people like Brennan of time to study those who've been pershing. A lot of people who are entitled to vote of being scrubbed off. And not something you say has been happening for some time what knee things he seeing this year? Is partly the pandemic with pandemic on it's going to be very difficult for people to vote safely and person, and we're seeing in a lot of states honing stations are closing. And we've been saying in recent primary elections, very very long lines with people having to queue for hours before they got a chance to vote but it's not everybody who has to win in long lines, black people and Latino people statistically wait. On many longer lines than white people do in the United States. White voters have generally speaking an easy time voting. You have. Misinformation, and increasingly intimidation at the polls for a long time people threaten to sort of send vigilantes to the polls to make it. So other people can't vote. But recently, a court order was lifted that for the first time allows. The trump campaign to send in people to basically make it harder for other people to vote in person for the first time in forty years the Republican. National Committee, which is the Republican Party at a national level is going to be free of legal restrictions that have Put Down in nineteen eighties which prevented them from sending poll-watchers. To. Kind of monitor the polls cool. Poll shows. That's the official time but. You know their suspicions that in many cases, they're kind of vigilantes. You go there to intimidate people and sort of scare them off actually going through with voting process Now, no one knows that's going to happen and it may well not happen but already the Republican National Committee the the National Party is talking about sending fifty thousand PLO watches to the polls in. November and so people watching that very closely and finally there's this extraordinary Catholic in the post office with a pandemic obviously are trying to vote in large numbers in this election by mail it makes sense you don't have to go to the polling station. You don't put your health at Risk Donald trump has been actively and openly, and this is by his own admission. Being undermining the post office at trying to withhold funding from the post office in order to how back large numbers of voting by mail for some reason, he thinks that if there's a a surge in voting by mail or go against him the president of the United States. Admittedly doing everything, he can including choking off a central support for the United States. Postal Service in order to prevent people from casting their ballot. Shame on you. Shame on today president trump with zero evidence claimed that the election will be an embarrassment and a catastrophe because of vote by mail wall, his postmaster general was elsewhere stating the exact opposite in congressional testimony Postmaster General Louis Joy at trump donor attempted to calm even removing who sorting machines from postal. Facility This morning NBC News has obtained exclusive new images, dismantled mail sorting machines this time in a facility in Dallas Texas workers, they're tried to fix and reinstalled these machines but. But found key parts were missing. It's the latest example of postal workers taking matters into their own hands as the controversy over recent changes within the postal service doesn't appear to be slowing down and it also comes hours after that contentious hearing. With postmaster, General Louis Joy, he defended those changes and double down on his decision not to restore those mail sorting machines, and in some cases, removing post boxes from the streets in key states in order to to put new huddles in the White House voting by mail. Do we know that that's why they're doing it. Well. One thing about Donald Trump is that he does say things openly that politicians in the past may have thought for we know but try to keep hidden. He. He said two things that were very suggestive first off he said he was with. Holding extra funding to the post office because he didn't want that to be more money going into voting by mail, they went three and a half a billion dollars for. The. Male in votes. Okay. Universal Mail in ballots three day after they want twenty, five, billion dollars billion for the post office. Now, they need that money in order to have the post office work. So it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. By. The way those are just two items but if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal Mellon voting and the second thing that he said was he said that if the levels of funding to the To The post office increased to the extent, but you would have a surge in voting levels of voting that. If he ever greeted, you'd never have a republican elected in this country again, you'd never have a republican elected in this country again. And? More than once you've pointed out that this sort of action doesn't land equally on voters across the country how disproportionately is affecting African Americans While ever since the founding the nation. The African American vote has been. A huge source spot within this empathic democracy in the days of Jim Crow, and set the segregated south. You had to actually be able to recite the preamble to the US. Constitution. If you AIN'T GONNA, get registered to vote. As a black person. And so this is very far from new. But there is a feeling that in this cycle, it's reaching a new level and you intense tape and Derek Johnson who is a very prominent. Figure in the current civil rights movement. In America, he's the president of the end of Lacey Pe-. He talked about how something that had begun is a southern issue had now gone national in many ways what used to be a regional problem in the Primarily has become a national critical issue. It is all type of ways that individuals seek to suppress afghan-american vokes elimination of polling places after I could communities When you eliminate polly places, you caused longer lines and other communities where there are precincts enjoyed. For example, we have polling places that opened with the machines and have necessary power course we have to file a lawsuit to extend the hours that the president will be open. There's been a a a huge uptick efforts to misdirect mislead or outright suppressed the right of after America's to cast a ballot for the election cycle, and we have not seen this level of intentional burt exclusion. Since the fifties and mid sixties. Democracy is about mall the more you've just told me about is about more than the voting system is an what other ways did you find? That democracy was being undermined. Well things also might USA this point before we go into it, but the threat to democracy is more than Donald Trump but you know we all here with reelection bid of Donald Trump and he is very, very present and one of the. Major things that he's been doing is that he's being trying to undermine credibility in this election. Trump is already trying to discredit the election in advance against the account is planning ahead. He's already said it's rigged. He's already said that it's the most corrupt election in American history which I always think somewhere Richard Nixon's ghost is scowling at that idea that his honor would be taken away from him. In seventy eight days, we're going to stop the radical left. We're going to win the state of Wisconsin and we are going to win four more years. And then after that will go for another four years because. You know what? They spider my campaign, we should get a Redo for you. Just make sure your vote gets counted. Make sure because the only way we're GONNA lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that he said that voting by mail will lead to an outpouring of fraud in the result he's essentially said that this election is illegitimate while you turn to the people who are experts in this area who have done the number crunching have actively looked for fraud and try to find it and yes, you can find isolated instances around the country at any in any election but they are isolated Amiya minuscule only small in number voter fraud is vanishingly rare in the United States as every study shows over and over again. As statistical matter, you are more likely to be struck by lightning. than. To commit. Voter. Fraud. That's true for vote by mail. It's certainly true for in person voting. This is A. time-tested. Scare tactic. That is used by politicians who are trying to cling to power. we should see it as an illegitimate method of running an election. Does this matter I mean it's trump's wreck. How damaging is it really? Well it you know it matters if people believe him and were saying in the polls out of nowhere from zero. Now. Three quarters of Republican voters think that voting by mail is fraudulent and cannot be believed and you know if you call those seeds into people's minds of millions of Americans. I think that does matter even if he loses that seat as being planted for maybe up to you know arguably sixty million Americans who will carry it with them. They will nurture it they will feel. You know begrudging about it and who knows what the long-term consequences of that feeling of business will be. So what you're basically saying is the Republicans are trying to change the mechanics of the election in their favor, but they've caught this kind of backup option, which is if that doesn't work, they just cast out over the whole thing. Yeah I'm. Remarkably we saw donald trump to that even when he won the election in two thousand, sixteen if you remember, he wanted by the Electoral College vote, he lost it by three million votes to Hillary Clinton on the popular vote and he went off on a complete conspiracy theories that three million non-citizens had voted illegally with zero evidence about had happened and He is suggesting that if he doesn't win, he might not leave office is that even possible? It's worrying I'm not sure it's possible but it certainly, he is suddenly capable of causing a lot of trouble. The question people ask as well. What if trump doesn't accept the results? I think it's the wrong question is not up to him to accept the results and we're falling into his royalist mindset. If we think it matters whether he accepts the results are not. it's whether the rest of US accept the results. Problem is there's a lot of opportunities for. Mischief after the election depending on how close it is because we have this antiquated system that was still largely designed by people wearing powdered wigs there open questions about well, what awfully Legislature of a state says one candidate won but the governor says another candidate won you know we know for already that the election result is likely to be delayed for several days even weeks as a result of the pandemic and and lodge people voting by May on that always takes longer to count. So they could easily be an interim period we might even see trump. Vastly ahead on election night. With people who vote in person. But go onto, lose down the road because avoid those vote by mail ballots take time to be counted. An interim period, he is already primed himself and his set as much too because a lot of difficulty they are amassing an army of lawyers who will be. Ready in place come November the fourth day after the election this could become a very, very bitter, very toxic legal fight. What you've sound seems pretty extreme right from the mechanical elements of how you might disrupt or distort an election through rhetoric and right up to the idea of president even refusing to accept the result. And all of it comes from people who are hugely respected in their fields and making. Required strong points. But some in the Republican Party would argue the people in academia and those representing civil society tend to think in a more liberal way. And Liberals are quite alarmed by the Donald Trump. Presidency. How confident are you that all views you heard when nonpartisan MBA's I. Think that's a very reasonable. I'm very good question. All the people I spoke to a clear a nonpartisan. However, it's also the case that recent times and we're talking about the last ten or twenty years. The main threat to democracy in America whether is in the form of voter suppression. Oh, undermining confidence in the electoral process itself has come from the Republican Party. There's an a symmetry here, which means that their focus is largely on the Republican Party and I. You know I think you can't get away from that. I. Don't think it undermines what they're saying to us. Coming up. Has Democracy always been A. For some Americans. Would, if the future of energy depends on all of us? Can we trump's form? Not just energy? The alone does well. How can we all share this? World Betaine. Discover how that? Siemens, energy? Dot. com. Everything we've spoken about safe are is really about what happens on the third of November and immediately afterwards. But it seems to me. That this is about much more than an election. Democracy is not the way in which country is run and it's about it's institutions isn't it? Absolutely, it's democracy is much much wider than election day in America, it's we the people those opening words of the Constitution. It's about taking the will of the people and making it manifest in in government and did you speak to people about these areas? Absolutely I you know to some extent is how this whole project that we've been doing the Guardian began a guy with a a women deirdre shiffling. Maim is your address Schiefflin. I am the founder and campaign director of a Democracy Reform Campaign called Democracy for all twenty twenty one. And her journey was a few years ago she was working as the head of the advocacy arm of planned parenthood, which is the largest reproductive health services provider in the US. She found herself thinking about how on the one hand you have public opinion America, which is quite clear on the issue of say abortion rights and on the other hand, you have a largely gain this asymmetrical allergy Republican group in Congress that is increasingly hostile to a woman's right to choose. This country that you know, seventy five percent of our our country believes that Roe v Wade was correctly decided. You know. So this, this sort of fundamental ruling on women's access to abortion women's access to reproductive decision making. This is not actually contested in public opinion. It's a small minority of people who fundamentally disagree with that. She spent on life beating back at talks on abortion rights in states across the country may team spent an enormous amount of time. On the defense trying to push back on, you know six week abortion bands trying to push back on bills that would imprison healthcare providers that provide abortion even though this is supposed to be constitutional right in our country push back on bills that would ban access to birth control just all kinds of. Crazy. Things and. And what that's resulted in is a loss of access in states in our country functionally. So many impediments of being put in the way of a having an abortion that it's fetch impossible to go through that I mean if the US Supreme Court says abortion is legal and constitutional in America. But you can't get an abortion if you're living in certain states around the country, then something is seriously wrong. We do also have to remember that this is the which we saw that huge uprising. The black lives matter an uprising that was triggered by the death of George Floyd but that was about so much more than that incident floyd was a symbol of injustice. And, the injustice felt by black-americans is about a lack of voice and a lack of representation. And despite even that huge movement, it doesn't feel as if anyone is listening, couldn't you argue that for this huge group of Americans and others? Democracies already broken. I think you put that extremely well and it goes back to our point democracy's not just about election bay. It's about being represented is about being respected? It's Abou. You know having the right to leave your house and not be fearful that a police officer well, assault you for no reason is about being a full. And fully respected participant. In? Your countries democracy. I talked to Severe Rodman who is the head of Demos? The think tank demos in the US he talked to me about how? Before trump but even more. So now for so many black and Brown Americans. There's a real feeling that they're not really living democracy at all. How would you describe a regime where? One set of constituents. Are actively targeted by state violence from the police from immigration enforcement. From homeland security where there were economically they have. A tiny fraction of the wealth that White Americans have. I raise all that to say that part of what we're grappling with in this moment is that actually democracy has been fiction for many. Americans for forever and where we're having to come to terms with that, I'm rather than try to address some of the concerns raised by protesters. If we look at Donald Trump's words and actions in Kenosha or Portland things that we have covered in recent episodes. Isn't he compounding that sense of disenfranchisement even taking advantage of it? Yes I'm I think this is the most. Sort of viscerally disturbing part of this whole story. the images we're seeing coming out of the cities around the country. What trump has been actively whipping up. vigilantism really, and also using his powers as the executive in this country. to do some very, very distressing visual things like you know sending in. largely order patrol agents dress stan military desert camouflage to go and please protest important. Smoke bombs and. The camouflaged officers wearing gas masks I mean there were chilling. The game. You can't get away from thinking about Wendell Furry -Tarian, a word that none of us expected to be associating. With. The American democracy, the strategy is could not be clearer and that is You Stoke up violence and when trouble happens on the streets you use that as an electoral ploy. So you then turn around and say, Joe, Biden is possible for all this even though it's happening on trump's watch and he saints the Democratic Mayor of whatever town is happening in. WHO's not doing enough to clamp down on the protesters and again, it's a direct attack on democratic principles is using your Paris president in order to give yourself intellectual advantage. At whatever cost? You've sat out a long list of ways in which democracy in America is being undermined from things are quite practical and specifically linked to this election and the way it's being conducted two more fundamental questions about how society works. And you said that there's an imbalance hair and the Republican party has been responsible for a lot of this under trump but all safe for many years before he took power from everything you've heard have you gotten understanding of why they will be doing that? Are, just fling a few statistics you because I think. In. Short order, they tell you the whole story. In nineteen, four when Ronald. Reagan was reelected. Eighty seven percent registered voters were white on November the third when we go to the polls here in America. That figure will have fallen to sixty seven percent a drop of twenty points and by twenty forty five uses projected to become. Minority she white in other words. will be fewer white voters than the combined number of Latino Black Asian and other minority voters. and. I think in lies the story of the Republican Party up to now has put that chips into retaining our they have into doubling down on that white. Bass. We see that in the policies that may pursue receive that in the the language of a adopt. And above all we see that in Donald Trump, his base is overwhelmingly white and they've done that. Rather than try and develop a a wide a tent and to appeal to minority groups. Potter that calculation is that they need to make it harder for non white groups of Americans to vote. All these tactics that we've been discussing. They kind of require to to bolster up there white. Voter approach and hang on to power I mean when when I hear you say that I think how short-termist is that because as you say eventually that demographic change is going to overwhelm any alleged attempts to rig the election this astonishing are really searching after twenty twelve after the. Defeat of Mitt Romney to Barrack Obama and his second. Presidential election campaign the Republican Party did a post mortem huge I wanNA make him with a very large and detailed report the. said that the party needed to change tack and opening South Up to other voting populations and communities within America. What happened next Donald Trump. Maybe things will change organically in the longer term but in the shorter term doesn't this pose almost a catch twenty two for the opposition but in order to change any of that s the Democratic Party has to win under the system and it's a system in which the cards are being increasingly stacked against them. Yes I you know at its darkest I think. America is faced with a real catch twenty, two problem which is. You know people are very clear about what needs to be reformed in this country to make the electoral system and make the democracy in its widest sense. What better. But you can't get a make any changes because the system isn't working is going to be very, very difficult to see a way out of that hole that the country is in having said that. We saw in two thousand and eight. Barrack Obama, won all three. Pot solve the political process and on the back of that he pushed her obamacare. It it is conceivable that Joe Biden might do the same again, and then there is a chance the Democratic Party to stop pushing through some major electro forms. They always have a huge bell on the table called hr one it deals with a lot of what we've been talking about. It allows for automatic registration for vote so that you can't try and suppress the vote. It gives representation for Washington DC and quite a Rico apparently cut out. And it restores federal controls against any state that is trying to. Play. Silly Games with elections when the hostile wait and watch and just see what happens because. It could go either way and the people all the people I spoke to said, they all apologized for before saying it because sounds like such a cliche but that states could not be higher on November fad. And not the very future of this country. Was Resting on it. That was ED. Pilkington chief reporter at Guardian us who has written all about this go to the garden dot com for more from all his interviews for his face. He spoke to Michael Waldman headed the Brennan Center for Justice Derek Johnson President of the NAACP. Deidra, she fling campaign director of Democracy for all twenty twenty one. So Bill Rahman head of Demos I'm Vanita Gupta, president, and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and human rights and Obama's former head of the civil. Rights Division of the Justice? Department. My thanks to all of them and to add Pilkington not set for today this episode was produced by Josh Kelley sound design was by Axel Kukuchi. The executive producers on Coal Jackson and Phil may not. We'll be? Back tomorrow.

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21:01 min | 3 months ago

Drones and AI for Industrial Equipment Inspection - with Nick Pilkington of Drone Deploy

"This is Dan and you're listening to the AI and business podcast this week. We're going to be focusing on heavy industry is to say oil and gas agriculture telecom, and we're going to be talking about the uses of drones for monitoring equipment our guest this week. Is none other than the Pilkington who's the CTO and founder of drone deploy drone deploy is based in the bay area. They've raised nearly a hundred million. Million dollars over the last seven years to apply drones to variety of applications across sectors, one of them, being the monitoring of equipment equipment upkeep as it turns out, it's awful expensive to turn machinery off to make sure the parts aren't rusting. Parts are broken and drones, artificial intelligence computer vision specifically can help us with that job. Nick goes into great detail as to what the process looks like before drones in an. Answer of what drones in I can do across kind of a strata of application categories as well as a little bit of a vision as to where the technology is headed. We've covered drones. In the past. We had neurology on back in the day. Some of you are longtime. Listeners will remember. We had one of the leaders at at and T. who talked about a similar technology back then obviously, the tech has advanced. I think nick does a great job of highlighting what it can do if you're interested in I applications in. In heavy industry or any other sector be sure to download our free guide. Online called three ways to find a trends in any sector can find that at e. m. e., R. J. dot com slash t three. That's t is entrenched, and then the number three e. m. e. R. J. dot com slash t three grab that free pdf and check it out. That should be useful supplement to this episode without further Ado. This is our Tuesday use case episode with Nick. Pilkington of drone deploy. You're on the AI and business podcast. So, Nicholas we're GONNA be talking about infrastructure inspection. It's been a while since we've actually talked about this theme on the show I think we had neurology on back in the day at and T. touching on it briefly you folks who work in a number of sectors and oil and gas and energy is a really big one. Can you talk to us about what infrastructure inspection is in that sector and also how? It's done today of the pre Ai Picture? Absolutely damn I think within energy there a ton of different verticals if you think of these different verticals is lots of different infrastructure in each of them. If we take an example from oil and gas, you can imagine something like a stack. That needs to be inspected and their number of different reasons why might need to be inspected for erosion corrosion for any type of damage or any sort of maintenance inspection? Inspection the way that's currently done is you have to shut down that facility to do it safely once it's been shut down. You start to erect scaffolding tax. She gives you access to the assets, and that costs a bunch of money, typically hundreds of thousands of dollars and can take about six weeks after that. You're actually in a position to put people on the asset to actually do manual visual inspection. Got It so it currently we're talking about cutting the thing off an enormously speaking for this particular unit first and foremost. Is there some context on how many of these things there are? I'm imagining that maybe I'm shell imagining and maybe I'm BP imagine maybe I'm a smaller firm I happen to not work in that sector specifically, but just. How prevalent is this particular kind of equipment? Yeah there's definitely a range depending on the company sized. Companies can have thousands of these assets across the United States. Okay so just in the US so lots and lots scaffolding people set it up. And then what are folks doing? I imagine we have some kind of a checklist. These are experts who understand what does broken component AAC opponent B components. See look like and what does. Clean and working component, a component components look like they've been trained enough. They have their manual. Whatever the case may be declined, they go through a checklist. They come down and then there's like an assessment and we get to decide. What do we WANNA go back up and fix is this. Is this roughly what it looks like? Would you add some some detail to that example? I think you're on the money they're. They're typically looking for a bunch of known problems I think there are these kind of edge cases where something comes up that they would have liked to inspected at the time, but they just didn't really have it on the the topless while at infrastructure shut down. So you see that in looking for something specific, and there'll be a catalogue of issues that trying to detect. Also qualified the amount of damage, and if there needs to be some response to that got it okay, so and then if they come down in there, there's some consensus on. Hey, I'm using a very simple set terms here nick for the audience, but we have a one through five right one meaning. There's absolutely nothing we need to do this. Basically, no need to look into it a five being by Golly this is about to you. You know be a horrendous mess. If we have a number of items that are maybe in the three or four range, you know there may be a consensus decision that okay. We need to go up and we need to take X. Action, or you know have a couple of things in the three range, but they don't seem to be super pivotal. We might say well. We're doing another inspection in twelve months or six months or whenever. And, so we actually think that it makes the most financial and safety sense to actually just checking on it at that later time. Is that sort of the the process post here? Definitely yeah for each of the different assets, they'll be a different maintenance schedule. Some things will be looked at on a weekly basis. Some things on a monthly basis some things once or twice a year, and definitely based on the severity will determine if that infrastructure needs to continue to be shut down and have to go into maintenance mode to fix some of those issues or otherwise, it's just tracking the severity of them for the next inspection. Okay got it. Imagine sort of hard because there's so many different kinds of equipment but I'm trying to put my finger on the pulse here of what the the business value is of doing this you know when this equipment is cut off for the scaffolding, which might last, you know I guess depending on the equipment. Maybe it's a week. Maybe it's two weeks maybe in some cases five days I have no idea but you'd have a better sense on you mentioned the flare something. What was the kind of equipment used as like the first example? Yeah, flagstaff players. In terms of the value I mean some of these facilities are generating millions of dollars an hour, so the cost of shutting them down is actually extraordinary on any sort of efficiency that lets these facilities continue to operate without having to be shut down being shut down very efficiently. That's a big driver in this industry over a flare stack so I had to google. That in the background is. You can tell what inordinate percentage of my time I spent in finance defense. Defense as opposed to oil and gas necessarily, but flare stack is a pretty Google term for those of you who are listening in a nice big pipe into the sky with a fire at the top of it. You've probably seen one either in the cartoons or the news or maybe in real life so okay, so we're shutting one of those down means stopping the processes that lead up to it, which kind of means pushing pause on the money making engine here. Absolutely on these facilities only make money when they're operating. You turn these things off. Dollars getting lost. Yes, so okay inspection is solving. Inspection is a is a big problem. Okay, understood on end energy has enough problems as it stands naked this time of this recording right so inspections should should not be one of them so now we're talking about evolving process you folks are in the drone business here. What does it look like to limit that financial hit and bring about maybe a more efficient process for investigating this infrastructure? I think the two key parts to that. The first is drums, and the second is machine learning on the inside. The first thing is to make that inspection contactless to not have a person on that infrastructure, which means that you don't need scaffolding around the the asset on awesome. You don't need to shut it down at all. You can continue to perform these inspections on the same kind of maintenance cadence, so even frequently without having to shut down a toll, so that immediately is a massive kind of our y gain. These facilities continue to operate, but the inspections can also take place without having to cope people in harm's way. Got It. Maybe! We could just talk about the drone part I Nikki when it comes to using drones, I think somebody tuned in might just say okay. Well, you know we. We find a set of routes up and down. Whatever this piece of equipment is, that will hit on the same catalogue set of points that we needed a human to hit on. Maybe it's GonNa. Take pictures along the. The way is that roughly what we're talking about? We're programming this thing. A remote controlling this thing to essentially just snapshot Xyz you are s across all the different angles and positions that they need to in order for us to have the same set of pictures. We need to make decisions. Absolutely this kind of more to it I mean that didn't essences what the beginning of A. Flight is it makes it easy for anyone to acquire a bunch of imagery of assets, so you're absolutely right that we do a bunch of flight planning, said a bunch of way points and fly the drone to collect a bunch of imagery and video of that assets. The second part of that is that imagery and video is used to create a three D. reconstruction of that assets and that's. That's what customers can look at in the browser as a sort of digital twin of that assets, and then they can inspect a measure on annotate any issues as if that was the real assets, but they don't need to be near the assets. They don't need to ahead of time. Know specifically what they're looking for. They've got this accurate metric reconstruction that they can do the inspection on instead. Got It. Okay, so they can sort of not just look through. Let's say a big fistful of pictures, but they can look at a three-dimensional model of sorts almost as if they're flying around the thing themselves. Absolutely and I think this is where that second pot. The machine learning Conradi takes Ova because you've got this this digital twin of the assets, and that's the thing that you're now inspecting, and you're looking at really really high resolution imagery. You're looking at any sort of aspect of that acid, even if it was really hard to access by a person, some of these pots of very difficult to access, but you can still get good imagery them, but now the machine learning algorithms behind the scenes are assisting that person with the inspection. Inspection, they've got that same catalogue of issues that you're looking to detect on the asset and consult to help can say okay. Instead of having to look at five hundred images of this this flashback. Just look at these ten where we think they're the most prevalent issues and thought to drive efficiency and take those tasks that either expensive tedious time consuming, or even error-prone for manual inspection, and just slowly dissolve them yet. Let's talk about that slow dissolving so I think this would be the premise and promise in value prop frankly. Frankly I mean I could see a business model here with just manually zipping in drone up and down, taking pictures with a human being actually having to steer the thing, and take the pictures the whole way, and then looking through seventeen different folders of pictures, each focused on different components, sat, and then assessing analyzing those with human beings that by itself seems like it would cut down on the downtime sufficiently to be a business, but you're talking about of course is a machine being able to? Maybe highlight may be score maybe. Maybe bring attention to some of that assessment work that human would have to do picture by picture so that we could maybe have a green red extreme and kind of have a scoring system just from the visual data itself I. Take It. That's what you're saying, but could you apply this to maybe a component in a we can stay with the with the flare stack. If you will this new nice term. You've taught me today, so maybe we can stick with that. What? What's an example this dissolving? You Speak Gov. Yes, so if we think the inspection, maybe you're drums collected a thousand images of that assets. Now it would normally be. Somebody's tossed to go through each looking for. Let's say you're looking for corrosion on the metal. If, you machine learning algorithm in the background. Looking for that same issue, it could immediately kind of flag the issues where it's detected that there's a very high chance at this corrosion, and you might still have a person confirming those results in fact I think that's typically very important. Yeah, something as critical as this infrastructure I. Don't think it's a good idea to assume that machine landing just GonNa Kinda Walson and solve everyone's problems in one fell swoop I think. We want to look at machine leading as this. This extra source of information that drives efficiency, and in this case it could be prioritizing which images need to be looked at could be verifying human results, and ultimately reducing the time to data, so the time from that asset being inspected to the results, actually being delivered where actions need to take place one person looking to thousand images. This is a machine learning algorithm going through those in two minutes is another big our Y. drive of their time to Beta introducing. Introducing them big time and the analogy I would use for the listeners in Nick. If you disagree or if you want to double down on something here, let me know again. It's really important for these episodes. The use case episodes is making our business audience have this new superpower where they can kind of see an example of a problem and understand where and how I could fit into it, not because AI is should be solving all problems, but to know which. which ones it could be snug fit for, and I think a good analogy. Here would be in radiology for example we scan a bunch of chest x rays. Are we have a system that is not gonNA prescribe somebody a cancer medication. It's not gonNA prescribe somebody you know an exercise regimen, but it might highlight particular things that could be tumors or particularly things that could be signs, and when someone is sitting there radiologist sitting in front of their displays for. At a clip they have maybe some highlighted things that maybe will already draw their attention to help them. Maybe be more efficient at their job or maybe catch things that have come up in previous thousands and thousands of instances. It feels to me as though it's. It's a near identical integration to the workflow. Where were sort of augmenting the smarts hopefully speeding up the process and in augmenting smarts of the human who would otherwise have to do very wrote visual stuff. Absolutely right, I think that's I. think that's a great analogy you're. You're reducing the error rates. You're increasing the efficiency and you're prioritizing streamlining the work, so I don't think that these use cases of the things that in the near Tom are going to be entirely handed of machines, but I think m l. behind the scenes can really drive efficiency by ninety percents big time in the way I would see this now. You know more about the future of your business than. I we've got a couple of. Of minutes, so we can talk about where this eventually takes us moving forward when I think about the business year in the exciting for me now if I was a venture investor in you, guys would be if you worked with companies that just had these flare stacks, and you had a system that more or less, you could just run on a new random set of. Let's say twelve eighteen flare stacks with with new client, X. and sort of the bat already able to be pro grammatically. Scoring highlighting, etc, because you've seen so many flare stacks, and because maybe people have manually labeled so many of those images within your system that it's actually feted to become smarter now. I do not presume that the first couple times he took a drone up and down a piece of equipment. It quote unquote got smarter I think probably you have to pick your poison in terms of where you WANNA double down and really train a system, but talk a little bit about what that future would look like, and and if you guys are going to be kind of knuckling down to you, know core infrastructure types so that maybe you can get more and more refined down. Particular channels directions etc.. Absolutely I mean there's no shortage of different tasks that we can try and tackle with machine learning, and when it comes to this the volume of data in the number of different examples of each of these problems or or the absence of these problems. That's obviously what's driving up the accuracy of machine learning algorithms, so anyone who's kind of deploying this machine landing successfully need to kind of close that loop of setting up a machine lending solution, leading up rate alongside of. Of human being, and then adjusting, correcting and kind of taking the learnings in adjustments of the human operate, and incorporating them into the machine, learning algorithm, so he seems get better and better and better, and as they incrementally get better that drives up the efficiency more and more and I mean there's no shortage of these applications. I think for us at Toronto play. We've identified that we conquer out there and sold every machine learning use case for every different customer, but. But what we can do is, we can maintain that data in a way that helps customers innovate, and I think what's extremely exciting. This kind of damage with machine lending is you're seeing. Some of these industries like oil and gas construction agriculture that have that have typically been some of the least digitized industries in the world and the industries that are the least willing to dive onto new technology now genuinely innovating and having in-house machine learning tools building these applications to drive. Drive up there run efficiency on I. Think Toronto Police Role Hairs to help those customers and let them innovate by making an easy to bring those machine learning algorithms to the platform, and have them incorporated in flow, so they can focus on that specific niche business case like looking for corrosion on a gas stack instead of that whole end to end of wears model gonNA run. WHO's going to maintain it? Who's going to retrain yet? Just the tip of the spear. When we're going to have another episode around the making the business case stuff in the integration considerations, but just to clarify where you're going number one. I think that that's a needed compelling vision I can see where you're headed. There is the aim in part for you folks to probably startups for for the most part I mean up until a certain point will sort of you know. Grab business if somebody raises their hand along as they have, the competency to deliver is the aim to sort of knuckled down more and more. More. You're saying individual client having enough data about a certain kind of infrastructure items so that they can keep iterating improving. Would it not also make sense for you folks to take the data from so many different instances when somebody else plugs it in for inspecting, let's say cell. Towers for telecom or flare stacks roiling gas that the you already have those models trained, or is the data proprietary per customer, and you really do have to kind of not extrapolate it into a broader product offering for you to take to the market. Yeah, we definitely need to kind of respect. Customers data in that sense like about customers are collecting data for their sites than it remains their data Goddamn Use that to build a better products and I think that's a key consideration of like. If you're using data from one customer train a model, let's giving an advantage to one of their competitors than that something you've got to be yeah loves where possible week keep those things Brits, but I think what's surprising is held little data and examples. You actually need to get something that incrementally drives value, even if you're training on a hundred images in, you're able to drop the number of images that needs to be inspected by human by fifty percent. That's still a huge saving you don't. Don't necessarily need a ton of data to drive value in these industries big time, okay cool so interesting clarification on the business model. I know there's some folks that are extrapolating from project to project clearly for you again. There's data considerations there. I always like to just get a sense of hey. Where's as company actually going and I appreciate you looking under the hood a little bit, so we've got a great picture of the before and after here neck I. Know That's all we have for time on this episode, but thanks so much for joining us here on the business podcast. Thanks for having me down. So, that's all for this episode of the AI in business podcast. I hope you enjoyed this one. If you're not already following us on social, be sure to do so. emerge is pretty easy to find on twitter. E. M. E. R. J., or you can find emerge artificial intelligence research on facebook and on, and we post not only our latest articles and our latest podcast from both of our podcast, the and financial services podcast, which you may want to check out in addition to the business show, but also any of the latest white papers or free resources that we publish. 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Get Rid of Your Head Trash About Money with Noah St. John

Biz4Good Show

36:22 min | 6 months ago

Get Rid of Your Head Trash About Money with Noah St. John

"Welcome to the Biz for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for the being good at doing good movement we spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection the showing. The true secrets is excess. And creating a life of greater impact so come on board and create your own phys for good life. Well well well go to boost host body Glenn Jeans along with the Ladies and gentlemen in the House Ryan Peril a riot Billington Tillerson on the show. Today we've got an amazing guests. An amazing show. It's going to be crazy. Today tells about the show right Okeydokey but after Tuesday. I won't be the Brian Pilkington. Oh that's correct after Tuesday Ryan Pilkington. We'll be doubled doubled. Yeah I'm going to have a baby so it'll be Ryan Pilkington again again ladies. Gentlemen if you don't Know Ryan and Linda Been Wanting to have a baby what fifteen years going on sixteen this March. 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But my family was dirt poor and I mean literally because we live at the bottom of a dirt road and a draft unfinished by parents ended up losing a foreclosure so from a very young age. I was painfully exposed to the gap that chasm between the haves and the have nots. Two houses everyone else. The community the have nots was white family and so from a very young age I really wanted to make something of my life and so I you know I hated that. Life of poverty in theory lacking not enough. This which is what I grew up with my family but right down the street I saw that there was awesome abundant so there was another way to live right but so I didn't know how to get there. How am I going to get from where I was to where I wanted to be? Well being the NERDY EST nerd in the industry. And you don't have to talk to be brought thirty seconds to realize I'm probably the GNARLIEST near the industry. What I mean by that is I just have to win. Something is bothering me. When there's a problem that I see that needs to be fixed I have to get down to the molecular level and fix it and that's one of the reasons. Of course WE HELP OUR CLIENTS GET. Such great results is because we have a very systematic approach to fixing. These guys are problems but long story short what happened. Was you know when I grew up? I I was one of those smart kids. We've gone around it so ever. If you ever watched the Harry Potter movies I was reminding right. I'm like hey man. I'm sorry I'm a nerd. I like learning. I love books you though so call. Smart Kid. The only options that were given to me this was in the eighties when I graduated. High School was being a doctor and a lawyer. I mean that was it these so-called smart gains. You could be a doctor all white and I'm like I don't want to do any of those things. I mean. Neither of them to me so I'm like well. No what do I do so I went on a very long journey. I won't tell you through the whole thing because I talk about that my books with my programs and also live events. Don't think but basically When I had those epiphanies in nineteen ninety-seven that really changed my life. I realized that it was I had the opportunity to start a business because of one simple thing and that was this newfangled tool called the Internet. You know when I was growing up when I graduated high school. Of course there was no internet and in the one thousand nine hundred eighty S. So I didn't see any option for me. So what's so exciting now in today's world in today's economy is having this wonderful communication tool called the Internet. Which is of course what we're communicating on right now and what? I communicate on with my clients and over one hundred countries all around the world I mean according to Google analytics go-goes getting a lot of books. Today go to my life programs. My teaching my books are so in over one hundred fifty countries all around the world and of course that is only possible because of this wonderful communication tool called Internet. So the point is that you know I when I started my company and my College Dorm Room in nineteen ninety seven. I knew that even with all of the things that I didn't have I did have that one thing which I want to make a difference. I WANNA help people and I'm going to figure it out no matter what and I know that everybody watches it and you're listening to program probably has a similar feeling about wanting to make a difference. Help people really haven't it back and yes they'll make a good living. Which fortunately I have been able to do over these last two decades awesome. All right love it. That was awesome. So the next question here for you is what is your commitment to the good life. What how do you lead a bit for? Good Life? What does that look like a absolutely so when you go to our website when you go to Noah Saint John Dot Com? And you just look at. We have a page. It says what we believe. Okay so I've been in business for over two decades as I mentioned and you know one day a few. This was several years back. I already been in business for over ten twelve years. Whatever it was and I said I was just meditating one morning and I said you know what I've gotta put out a what we believe statement. I've got to tell the world while we're here. Not just what we do but why we do it. And I was meditating and I said so. What do you believe? No you know. You're the you're the boss you're the CEO. What do you believe? Why are you doing this? And the first thing that popped in my head was this statement. We believe in the power of love to make the world a better place and I said that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We don't say love and business. You don't say business as soon as I heard. You can't put that on a website talking about they're gonNA laugh you out of the room and then I heard again and then I said that guide myself so I said well wait a minute. What what are you doing here? If you're not about love then what are you doing I mean why are we doing this? Of course it's about love number one number two. If people laugh at me at they make fun of me well then the heckle them. Then I don't want to work with them right. I don't want them the way I mean love is there so if you don't believe that and if you don't agree with it then fine go to somebody else but that is what I believe and then I wrote several other statements that some of them are you know somewhat controversial so it's right there on our website and go to Saint John Dot Com. Click on what we believe in. You'll just see it it's our. It's our mission statements. What we do and why we do it so that irony is. I had already been doing it for well over a decade ten fifteen years already but I hadn't stated it I hadn't planet my flag in the ground. I said Look. This is what we do. We believe in the power of love to make the world a better place and then go see Tony Robbins. You know or whatever I love it. I love that because so many people think they need to be there for everybody and I know we want to help people. I you hear that so often. I just want to help people. Well if sometimes you have to to stand up for what you believe in and get the right tribe before you can really really assist folks and if that means people are not gonNa dig it. They're not Abraham Lincoln said. You'RE GONNA love everybody all the time. I love it that you're standing up for who you are. Thank you thank you and let me say to that to that statement that you know there's a there's a really powerful and incorrect myth that is being has been taught you know literally probably last whatever it is. You know thirty forty fifty years in this industry by the way if you haven't noticed already I'm one of the mythbusters in the industry. Meaning I take what is common sort of the cliches in traditional success literature and I turn them on their head and I go well. Here's what's not really true about that. Everybody says this. But here's one of the things everybody says which is do what you love and the money will follow right. Whenever I'm I'm doing my live events we have a live event called freedom lifestyle experience where I teach you how to do all this all list. So you can actually have that freedom lifestyle more time or energy better relationships more money but my live events keynote speech for them speaking for entrepreneurs or chiropractors or health professionals or network marketers colleges universities. I always like to say this because it's so out there you know as what you love. The money will follow and that is a lie. That's totally wrong. But it's very sexy. Everybody wants to believe that right but let me give you an example. I love going to the library. I love going to bookstores and go into libraries. Whatever I'm in the city if I'm traveling I'm doing speaking engagements and doing keynote. Speeches or events you know. I love to go to the bookstore and the local library. I love books. I grew up with books and I've written a lot of folks now so I just enjoy it and so are you. Let me ask you this. Who's going to pay me for going to the library nobody right? Why would somebody pay me for doing that but I love it? Where's the money you see? It doesn't make any sense so the point is and here's what I tell. My audiences are my coaching clients. Is this look do what you love? Yes that's true but you then have to show other people why how and that they will benefit from doing it and only then will the money follow you see so. I'm a bad part. Because that's the non sexy. The sexy thing says do what you love. The money will follow meanwhile stuff. Where's the money I can? So many people come to events and they and they say no. I've heard that I've been trying to do it. And then resuming. Let's hope people how they're GONNA benefit right. That's where money list again. I love your guys mission business for good. Of course it has to be good and has to be valuable and then the money will yes. That's Aw man you got you. You're you're setting right up there with our energy my friend. You're you're not a slouch. When it comes to energy I love. We have high energy folks on the job gets me jazz. So thank you for your for your high energy your love for what you're doing and they got the popcorn. I'm seen over. He knew so. We gotta ask you. Can you give us an action item for our listeners or something that a tidbit a gold nugget that they can take with them from listening to to know? Saint John. Yes absolutely. This is something very very powerful that I talk about an all of my Keynote speeches no matter who. I'm talking to colleges. Universities real estate entrepreneurs network marketers. Whoever it is okay and I know you can't really see this probably but it's on page forty nine of the of the vote. Get rid of your trash of money. And it's where I show you about inner game an outer gate alright. So in any human endeavor there are always two components the inner component and the outer component. Now at my company at our events and my my presentations keynote speeches. I say entertainment outer game just to keep it simple. So the inner game is everything that happens between your ears that you can't see directly but you you see the effects everywhere right so when when? I'm doing a keynote speech. For example I'll say what area of your life you beliefs not affect you and the audience goes I go exactly right. There's no place you write your beliefs affect your health. Your well your finances your business. Your relationships your social everywhere right. But here's the thing you can't see a belief you can only see the effects of it right and also you doing really well in one area of your life and maybe you're stuck struggling another maybe. Your health is really good. But you're businesses struggling or your relationships are great but your health is suffering or whatever it might be. So it's not cookie cutter one-size-fits-all we really have to look at this. A very customized way for each individual for each Person Reach Company. Each team right. So that's the inner game but then we also have the outer game. The outer game is everything you can see directly. It's right in front of your face right. It's your your your lifestyle system strategies you know in the marketing space for example as entrepreneurs. It's your lead magnets. Your sales funnels your web pages. All the customer facing market facing things. Now what happens is people have spent many times when they come to me. You know when the hires a coach when they come to my events on evolving spent tens of thousands of dollars more on all the outer game stuff all the marketing stuff and yet they're still stuck and the reason for that is because no one has shown them how to master their inner game. Let me just tell you really quick story to illustrate this. I was speaking for an audience of about a thousand entrepreneurs in Los Angeles at I. Was I just finished my presentation. I was walking off the stage. A man came up to me out of the audience. He rushed up to him. And he said Noah you are the coach I've been looking for. I want to hire you as my coast now. I didn't know this man from Adam. Ironically his name was Adam. Okay well what's going on? He Says No. I'm totally stuck. I'm only making four million dollars a year. Of course I had to pause. I had to kind of laugh right. Sounds kind of silly to be stuck with air quotes right at four million a year? Well that doesn't sound like much of a problem and I bet doing I'm like well. What's the pro? He Goes No. You don't understand. I own the software company. I own this company and we have got. We got really fast revenues. We had hockey stick growth. Got The four million in revenues but we have been stuck at four million for the past four years four years. They've been stuck landline. And they haven't had any growth and he says is been all this money. I added every marketing guy. Out there named all the gurus all the big names that we know absolute auto and tens of thousands of dollars problem. And we're still stuck and said as soon as I heard you speak about. Inter game in Outer Game and head trash. Input on everything you just said. He said I knew you were the coach I've been looking for. He hired me on the spot and so what happened was coached him for about a year to eighteen months in that year net all in year. After I coached him is company. Went from being stuck at four million for the previous four years to over twenty million in sales for six hundred percent increase in less than eighteen months. Now how did I knew exactly what I'm sharing with you right now? I showed him how the inner game and outer game fit together. Why he if you only do one or the other. It's really gonNA keep you stuck. It's GonNa have your foot on the brake and so we help them to get rid of head trash and the results were pretty incredible. I love a man. Proof is in the pudding that leads us to this question. What makes your business different than all the other businesses and the development programs and all the stuff that I mean. There is a lot of stuff out there you just said I mean. There's so many buzz people and influencers and all this stuff. What makes you different? I think what makes me different is what I've already stated. Anybody can really find out in talking to me for about thirty seconds is because on the nerdiness nerd in industry that I am the most systematic one and that is why people come to me after they spent tens of thousands of dollars or more. You know just like my client Adam. Who is your with you and yet. They're still stuck. And why is that because I get down to the molecular level and I put together a system that can help anybody to have more time more energy better relationships and more money which is our definition of the freedom lifestyle that's why urban is called freedom lifestyle experience because we want people to experience having more time or energy better relationships more money. Because isn't that why we got into business in the first place? Isn't that what we all really want to have the time that we want to do the things we WANNA do. They have the energy so that we can enjoy life to have the relationships that make life worthwhile and have the money so that we can do the things that we really desire to do so really I think that's one of the things that makes my programs really different from everything else out there. It's not based on a personality right. It's based on a system and if you have a personality then you have a problem because then you basically have a guru who's like oh great. They've made a lot of money but have they helped anybody else. I'd rather brag about the car that helped you get that's in your garage rather than the cars migratory because if I'm only bragging about myself then I haven't helped anybody else. It's all about the results for our clients all around the world I've loved you said everything so so eloquently it is when it comes down to it is always about the process and the procedure and having tangible things to do and when you said that you know do the thing you love and the money will follow you. Hit It on the head that you you've got you've also got to take action and I think the thing that I'm taking away from you as we still have to realize you know we can have dreams and dreams of all this beautiful stuff but if we don't do the work if we don't actually do the work can take the time to get somebody to teach us to learn the processes procedures and stuff like that It's worthless you. We can learn learn learn but if we don't do something nothing is going to happen and I I get the feeling that you're a doer. And that's what you expect from the people that you teach. Oh absolutely we. We attract actions acres. It's very simple because you you know when you hear me as you stated you know you know that I'm a doer. Action taker and you know. This is really interesting because we live in. A world of infant. Distractions are so many distractions out there. There are over a billion blogs on the Internet right now today and you could watch cat videos for the next ten thousand times. They'll never be done. And so the point is you know one of the things that I helped the with. And I'm very very good at is helping people focused to really have that focus. So you get from where you are to where you want to be. Without all the distractions without Tekoa without information overload. Just cutting through the clutter getting things done. And I've helped not just of course for myself having fifteen books published over eighteen languages but really helping my clients get their books get their online programs have their live events and their results really making the world a better place. I WANNA give Kudos to that. Because there is so many gurus or whatever and there's an even smaller business coaches and all this stuff that I see so often people get taken advantage of. They pay lots of money and these people do not perform there's no Roi and they're they're basically super taken advantage of an and I love it that your whole push is that it's about creating something for my clients. It's about them being successful. It's about them. Do I love that? I mean again being with you just as little as we have. I can tell that you're about the client you're about for you. It seems to me that for you. The honor and the Kudos is when somebody else succeeds. There's no question about and listen. I've been I've been seduced by those guys to. I mean I paid them over a quarter million dollars only to find out. They can't go out of a bigger back. I mean they literally I talk a lot about personality versus system. You know if you have a big personality and you know you see this. You can't turn on social media you have this saying. Hey look at all my cool stuff. Yeah I'm looking at my car and looking at my stuff at a awesome annual like. Yeah Dude you're awesome. Have you help anyone else? Now listen things right. We all want to have the nice car. The Nice House take our failure of occasions. And there's nothing wrong with that but my question is have you held anybody else and usually the answer is right. I mean that's also other than themselves which means okay. They made lots of money by taking other people. They took a quarter million dollars of money. So you know I. I wish I would've learned this less a long time ago. That's why I'm very passionate about sharing with everyone else and just very simply. Just do your homework. D- research go to our website. Go to Noah Saint John Dot COM. Look at our client wall of fame. You know we have dozens and dozens of dozens. I mean probably over one hundred client testimonies of people just like the people watching this program you know help to makes at six figures seven and yes even eight figures to their business all working lists you can have the time the energy relations on the money that you really want without working so hard and without having to succumb the information overload love it. I'm GONNA ask you. I'm just GONNA ask a crazy questions. You're ready. Get crazy all right. What is your hobby? Besides self-improvement who I love reading fiction books on my favorite author right now is deemed coons. Fortunately I read him later in life because he's so good if I would've met him when I was younger. I'd probably to be too intimidated to write any of my books on fifteen so I enjoy that and also I love going ballroom dancing with my wife and that was I started very first date. I took her ballroom dancing and I. I spent her off her feet. So if you're looking for a fun date for your your your wife or significant other definitely dancing dancing. I love it when I was a kid. My first book was Phantoms. Read that you've read it. I have not no. I haven't oh it's a it's a great I've I've ridden ridden I've I've read. You know however minis. I haven't read every book but yeah that's awesome. I love it nice cool. Well you you. You put out all the information already You can go ahead and see anything else. You WANNA share links plug for everyday how we get to. How do we connect with Noah? Saint John so I'll just for get the book Get rid of your trash about money to free and trash book dot Com or easy to remember free shipping and also my main website is no Saint John Dot Com. And if you WANNA find out more about my live. Event called freedom lifestyle experience go to freedom life x dot com fetal life and then the letter x x dot com. It should for freedom lifestyle experience. 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 How did President Trump get his pandemic response so wrong?

Today in Focus

31:28 min | 2 months ago

How did President Trump get his pandemic response so wrong?

"Today. How president trump lead the United States into an unparalleled coronavirus crisis. By now, you've probably seen the surreal interview between President Trump and Jonathan Swan at axios. The HBO, Logo Appears. Swan makes his way into the West Wing. The two men sit down on tiny chairs. While a shaky hand held camera moves between them. Mr President, thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. We appreciate you taking the time and we appreciate your commitment to answer questions took it could be the latest Armando Energy Satire. There are those that say you can test too much. You know that who says that Oh just read the manuals read the book. Read, the. Read the books what books though one deep cast members said. This scene would have been rewritten because the president being the stupid is unrealistic. We weren't even we didn't even have a test when I took over we didn't even have a test now. Why would you? Know test desist. President trump loves dominating the news cycle, but it's hard to imagine. He's taking much pleasure from the trending Hashtag. Trump is a laughing stock. Here's one right here. United States you the number of cases. Well last meaning were I lost. As. Get your shoes. and. The interview also underlined something extremely alarming. Five months into this pandemic the president does not have covid nineteen under control I. Think it's under control I'll tell you what how thousand Americans are. Dying. It's true. It is what it is. From The Guardian I Mike Lee row. Today focus. How did President Trump get the United States pandemic response? So wrong? Ed. Pilkington you're the chief reporter for the Guardian US and you've been covering the crow viruses spread across America. I WANNA start with a study that's been making the rounds recently. It came out back in October and it looked how prepared countries around the world were potential pandemic. The US actually came and number one on this index meaning it was judged to be the most prepared country in the world. What made it seem that the US was in such good shape. To understand that, you have to go back a tiny bit to twenty fourteen and the Bowler crisis in West Africa which America was join into very quickly. This morning, the door to door investigation begins health officials including a crew from the Centers for Disease Control now in Dallas in search of anyone who may have come in contact with the first patient diagnosed with Ebola. In the United States, I've been spending quite a bit of my time talking to people who are at. The center of the attempt to respond to about La, and they all said the same thing that the expensive going through Bona was truly terrifying in the end. It never actually really hit home in America but the experience of seeing what a virus could do if it was uncontrolled was so sort of daunting awesome for the the officials in the scientists and the public health experts who are involved in that effort that they came out of it determined never to go into another. Crisis like that without being prepared and that was true also of Barrack Obama. There May and likely will come a time in which we have both airborne disease. That is. deadly. and. In order for us to deal with that, effectively, we have to put in place an infrastructure, not just here at home, but globally, that allows us to see it quickly isolated quickly respond to a quick. How do you argue with that? That is a partisan issue. He brought scientists into the White House. He set up a special unit within the National Security Council. Specifically, focused on what would happen if there was a pandemic. They prepared a sixty nine page dossier or as of manual of what to do where a pandemic to hit. They really put a lot of effort into thinking about two things in particular one logistics like what did you need to prepare hospitals to have frontline work? What protective equipment did you need all that kind of thing and how would you get enough testing whether to be a pandemic and the second thing? They put a lot of time into thinking about was messaging because at the end of the day. Controlling a virus without a vaccine is all about human behavior. So I think that's what one the. Number one position in that score cod. which was published only few months ago. Kind of you have to pinch yourself that sounds very far away from where we are now. Just by the numbers, it's kind of hard to take in just how out of control things have gotten in the US. Gay official number of cases is now about five million. That's more than a quarter of all the cases in the world. And the death toll in the US is now past one, hundred, fifty, thousand. Can you give us a sense of the scale of what's going on? It's just. America is a disaster zone and has been since the pandemic erupted. I think that point is underlined by foreign comparison South Korea. South Korea and the US recorded the first case, the coronavirus actually the same date January the twentieth January. The twentieth. South Korea has had a total of fourteen thousand confirmed cases. Now. South, Korea's a sick of the population of the US. If you times fourteen thousand by six, that is the amount of cases us has had in one day just this month. In one single day in one single day. Yeah. Well. Obviously. We can't talk about how the Krona viruses spreading across. America without talking about President Trump. You mentioned President Obama they're speaking in twenty fourteen about pandemic preparedness. But president trump has taken a very different approach to a lot of things in his presidency even before corona virus hit. President trump was making cuts to public health agencies. What did he do? President Trump's agenda has been guided by. Literally during the opposite to what Obama did. In. The transition period when trump was president elect. A week before trump was inaugurated the Obama team laid out on the table for the White House. Their guidelines to what to do with a pandemic. On his based on all those things that we discussed a sixty-nine peyton manning all the rest of it and they said to them look this is Sara's it could happen any time. What they do? Well, they completely disregarded the nine page manual. Trump. Disbanded the unit with a National Security Council? That had been set up to deal with specific day today with pandemics some of the people we cut they haven't been. Used for many many years and if they if we have a native, we can get them very quickly and rather than spending the money and I'm a businessperson I don't like having. Thousands of people around when you don't need when we need we can get them back very quickly for this was all even before the pandemic hit. Wants the virus arrived? How would you describe his approach? He continued what he'd already begun earlier. which was A willful and relentless undermining the CDC has a reputation. All had the reputation of being the world's foremost public health agency. I think it's fair to say the normal times you would expect the CDC to be giving daily briefings in which scientists directly communicate with the American people and advised of. The SADIE has not been heard of. Since maybe the first few days of the pandemic Kinda literal silence from them and when they have put forward recommendations, trump tried to stop the recommendations being published and when they came out he actively. Kind of pooh-poohed them said, they were exaggerating the scale of the problem. CVC is advising the use of. Non Medical cloth face covering. This is voluntary. Doing it. The same way that he's sidelined and undermined the CDC institutionally. The same thing happened I think on an individual level you know the the figure that comes to mind is Dr Anthony Fauci, she'll know him from his gravelly voice I would say between one hundred and two, hundred, thousand cases but I don't want to be held to that because it's excuse me deaths. We're GONNA have millions of case, I. Think most people within the scientific and public health community respect him deeply for the job he's done which has been an impossible amount of trying to hold trump. To the data and the science. was explained yesterday there has been some promise with hydroxy. Chloroquine is potential therapy for people who are infected with virus. Is there any evidence to suggest that as with malaria it might be used as a prophylaxis against cody onto The answer is is no and the evidence that you're talking about John is anecdotal evidence. Without seeing too much. I'm probably more of a fan of that then Maybe than anybody may work may not work. I feel good about it. Still it is just a feeling. Smart Guy, I feel good about it found. Jaycees. Slowly vanished on the counter story to dispense without G. is that trump has surrounded himself with? Yes people. Now again, this is nothing near as familiar from his fast reuse and government he surrounds himself with people who tell him what he already wants to hear. and in this case. He's Arnim himself with people who say that he's doing a fantastic job. On crying the virus has going marvelously well America's leading the world. Free things that are the. Direct diametric opposite to the troops. And Interesting, Dr Deborah burks respected scientist in Iran right. But she has become trump's go to person and she presents him with modeling and with selective data that puts everything pretty rosy light to the dismay of scientists who think that she is exacerbating the problem by failing to challenge trump. That was that famous moment where she was sitting on the sidelines while trump came up with perhaps his most glorious conspiracy theory that we've heard so far which was the idea that you could inject. Disinfectant by. Injection inside, or. or almost cleaning because you see gets in the lungs it does a tremendous number will be interesting to check that so that you're gonna find that he also had some idea about injecting ultraviolet light into the body and this would protect you against corona virus viral I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat. To Cure. You know that if you could maybe you can I mean I think to this day no one quite knows where that came from and I just completely bewildered by that. The camera panned out from trump's making this extraordinary statement across two bucks less she was on the side of the rim. I think she was kind of looking down and trying not to give any response. But what she said he didn't do was challenged ever have you ever heard of that The he and the light relative to certain viruses. Yes. But relative to this virus. That as a treatment certainly fever. Is a good thing when you have a fever, it helps your body responsible. But not as I've not seen He. Greatly to look at. I mean. You might think as A. As. A central scientist at the top of the big, the the the most powerful country in the wilds response to this terrible pandemic you might think she might have said something. And not only as president trump surrounding himself with people willing to agree with him. It also seems that some of his advisers are happy to actively supply him with numbers selected to make the US response to the coronavirus look better than it really is. Earlier this week, he had that remarkable interview with Jonathan Swan at axios. If you look at death. started. Well right here United State is lowest in. Numerous categories. Were lower than the world lo the lower than Europe in what in what take a look. Use case death. Oh. You're doing death is a proportion cases. I'm talking about death as proportion of population. That's where the US is. Really. Well much worse than South Korea Germany. It's. Not long before that, he had a similar interaction on Fox News and hello again from Fox. News in Washington today from the White House unfold. The interview, Chris. Wallace. Who is a sort of acceptable face of Fox? News if you like. Extremely good journalist he he challenge trump about his record on Kranodar sir, we have the seventh highest mortality rate in the world are mortality rate is higher than Brazil. It's higher than Russia, and the European Union has us on a travel. I think what we'll do trump said well, no, you're wrong. We have the best mortality rate in were you talk about mortality rates? I think it's the opposite I think we have one of the lowest mortality. Chris wanted said. With respect Sir no you don't day and he then turned to his aides and said, Gimme the hamming graph, the graph, the mortality rate Kelly's right here I, heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest mortality rate anywhere in the world you have the numbers. Because I heard, we had the best and he he was hounded by his as a piece of paper with a groff on it showed. US up top number number one low mortality. I hope you show the center because it shows were fake. This is all. Fact News I. Will we'll? PUT, our battle set Win Fox News Sunday then interrogated that groff it found that the the figures of being selectively chosen. So that. The countries with a much better mortality rate than America were kept off and countries with a much westbound will put on I thought that terribly telling I, think that's a little insight into what's happening generally. You made the point that one of the most important elements for an effective public health response in a pandemic. Is Messing letting people know what the risk is and what they should do. But president trump hasn't really stayed on message at all has he trump's messaging from the very beginning has been a combination of denial. Go Away. We're doing very well and it's fantastic job hit will go away to stay. Calm. One point four million tests on board next week. And five million within a month I doubt will need anywhere near the incredible inconsistency. You're confident you can surpass five million tests per day. Is that a well we're going to be there very soon. I didn't say five million somebody. Said Five, million I think it might have been the Harvard report. There was a report from Harvard and they said five million. Well, we will be there but I didn't say the other thing he's done is to embrace sort of maverick theories rather than the scientific advice he's being given. So when I was seven months into the Pandemic and it's still happening. So about a week ago, that was a huge cyber relief from the public health community when trump finally came out and said, mosques where an important public health toll and should be worn by American people. It wasn't annoyed evident was recommendation, and this is about face right an about face from what he had said before way been very dismissive of mosque wearing in a very political sort of way. Just. A few days after that. You know you. We wake up unnecessary tweet from trump of a video. I'm Dr Stella Manual I'm a primary care physician in Houston agree post. Doctors. who had given a sort of presentation in Washington. In which they said Not only that mosque and should not be worn, they were actually a public health risk. But that hydroxy. Clark win. which is malarial treatment that trump has touted many many times. was also a cure for coronavirus, an actual kyaw this virus has a it's got hydroxy cocaine ZINC AS Roma's I know you wanNA talk about Mask Hello You don't Need Musk there is a cure now. All major health institutions around the world have have found hydroxy chloroquine. His setting on a cure but nor is it a treatment? It doesn't seem to have any positive impact on trading. covid nineteen, an actually can be life threatening for some people with their conditions. It should be noted that one of the doctors in that group. Happens. To be an advocate of the theory that alien DNA is contained in some medications in in the US. And she simply believes in. brace yourself with this one demon seamer. Coming up how all of this might affect president trump's chances for re-election. So, ed, we've talked about trump's leadership style, his messaging his disregard for science which have all without a doubt played a part in how Americans have responded to this pandemic. But. If we look at what he's actually done in terms of specific policies there really hasn't been a unified national response. He hasn't imposed a nationwide lockdown and so individual states to decide whether to lockdown and when. And when governors have locked down their states, the president has been very quick to urge them to reopen. The state. Up. seriously. You're GonNa Miss Your. Whole you forty million people in tourism and you have governor that won't let you open up what she doing to get the State Open Governor Open. is nothing almost always focused on the economy? What do you think is driving his response to this pandemic As time passes. You Know I. Think the answer to your question gets clearer and Clearer Matt Is. Trump is motivated and how he deals with pandemic not by the. Nonpartisan need to protect. Life. And to protect the economy of this country. But by the motivational getting reelected in November. And I. Think. In his wealth you he was going to go into an election in which the top. His top ticket for getting back into the White House would be. What he kept saying was this. Glorious. Economy. In fact what I meant was soaring stock market. Values. which most Americans means nothing because they don't have any stocks chas but in his mind, he split off the economy from the fighting the virus, which I think is an ethic mistake. The only way to get the economy back up is to open safely. Therefore economy in the patent, the virus, a handing glove, they all the same challenge in the end it's destroyed the economy that's being worse because states have tried to reopen quickly to get the economy back up. And all that's happened is a virus has had a field day. It's munched its way right across the country and is now four states to close down again and not it's kind of arguably worse because it's created a huge uncertainty which makes it extremely difficult for business to operate. We touch there on the approaches different states governors have taken in the absence of anything like a nationally coordinated policy which I think does bring up an important point about the unique challenges of trying to manage a pandemic in the United States. There are federal laws covering the entire country but then individual states have their own laws, which means things get very complicated in a situation like this. Isn't it arguable that any president would have had a very difficult time dealing with this. Yes i. think that is fair. You know it's a very is a huge country, three, hundred, thirty, million people. I am very very decentralized and a lot of power is devolved to state level. If another president being in the White House, they would have found it extremely difficult and they would have had struggles with states and with logistics and all the things that we've seen happen. But having said that the way he's handled it is he's exacerbated the natural problems that were there rather than trying overcome. The job of a federal government in this disaster is to help the entire country deal with the crisis. Appropriate to each part of the country but what trump has done is to wash his hands of the pandemic and so what we've seen estates go their own ways. Bill herding cats saved Scottish gone completely different ways. Individual states desperate FAW. Diagnostic testing equipment for ventilators for P., p. e. protective gear for the health workers they began competing with each other the began bidding against each other trying get scarce resource. It's of course, pushing up the prices and meanwhile the sort of trump administration stood back allowed this to happen. Meanwhile virus doesn't see borders. The virus doesn't stop me show. It's possible at the border between the republican state entering into democratic. New York. this game perfect for the virus is perfect. Ours is just like, okay. Thanks guys. Just I'll spread away quite merrily. We also have the issue of growing polarization in American politics, and this is something that we've seen even before president trump took office. How is that cheap? The country's response to the pandemic? Trump has had a template and it's is is going to be replicated at state level right across the country and you've had the country. Divide into and we see this very clearly with the issue of mosques. Your second question was I couldn't hear you. Can you take it up because I cannot? Speak Louder Service, you WANNA. Be politically correct no third just one or the Nasca he gained from AIDS being one of those pinch yourself moments. How does that Little Square cloth become accountable for? You you can kind of understand why abortion might be a subject of heated debate but a piece of cloth. but it has literally become a cultural that fights broken out in many different states when people refuse to West mosques indoors. You think have to take your mask off to get everyone else sick. While you just threaten the. On your during a global pandemic, are you for real? Is that funny it's ridiculous. There's so much research that says that we actually are in danger of having this mask I'm breathing my own co two, you understand that. The right wing trump supporters have adopted the non wearing of mass almost a flag that to be forced to wear a mask is a negation of their freedom. They've kind of expressed it in a similar way to people talking about, Second Amendment and guns in America to conservative saying. You know they must have the freedom to bear arms similarly, they must have the freedom not to wear a mask. So and of course, without a vaccine moss, the be one of the very few things that you have at your disposal to try and control the virus. So when it becomes an issue of politics, this is really really serious and it's actually life threatening and it seems almost hard to believe right now. But America is supposed to have a presidential election in just three months. Where do we go from here? We've just had trump say in a tweet that maybe we should spoon the election because the throw that's going to happen from voting from home during the pandemic. Now, you know we know that he can't legally do that but it's GonNa put the among the pigeons in his example of the sort of uncertainty heading into having said that it an interesting thing does seem to be taking shape and I'm going to say this with enormous trepidation because I like so many others had my fingers bound in two thousand sixteen when Hilton was going to win the election we only that until we didn't. With seeing that Joe Biden the. OBAMAS former vice president is taking a pretty commanding lead in the polls of Montana points instead of nationwide polls but more substantively. Showing a lead even in the the key swing states such as the three that trump famously one in twenty sixteen that Kinda gave him the White House which was Pennsylvania Michigan, and Wisconsin very significant. I think is when you drill down into the pose and you see people who serve aid asked how they think trump is handling the the pandemic. Is. It's very interesting. Things happened at the beginning of the pandemic, more than fifty percent of Americans approved of the way he was handling it, and now that figgers fallen to thirty eight percent where about sixty percent disapproving so. You know. It's not reading too much into it. I. Think to think. Trump's hard core supporters that you know the the red capped Maga- supporter. His sticking with him, even through this current catastrophe of cases and deaths of coronavirus. But that pretty much everyone else is starting to think, wow, this is this is not this not looking good. I think a lot of Americans are becoming very scared about S. Ad You've been living in the United States for more than a dozen years covering national politics among other things. How is it fell to live through this pandemic in the US. Well. I mean the thing that strikes me interns of my relationship with America. He is a sort of sense of. Of Despair almost and I pick it up a lot from the scientists and the public health expense. They've seen the United States go from the pinnacle of signs you know you think back to Jazz a beginning the push for the moon. Landings. And now is the laughing stock of the scientific world. An inner to some extent I feel the same I came to America when I was four because my father who's a medical research he came here to to carry out research and through my father's eyes, I saw this country as as a seat of science seat of. A fact based. reason and of sort of logical government. and I've watched that as it collapsed around me. The way I come to see it is I think it's The the clearest example, any of US need to get in our lifetimes of walk government and governance means if you think of trump. In the past he's proven to be like Teflon figure. But here we have a different situation and I think the scales of falling people's eyes saying what government and political leadership actually means and it goes down to question of life and death I don't think I'm being melodramatic by saying that you know we have hundred fifty thousand deaths in America. His three hundred in South Korea. So. You're starting to hear. A growing number of scientists and academics us a question. How many of those? One? Hundred Fifty, thousand deaths? And that figure will rise to way beyond two hundred, thousand by the end of this year. What proportion of that figure people who died needlessly The small step from there to ask. How, many American lives have been lost as a result of trump's mishandling of this pandemic. And that's the frame that I've come to see it through and I think it looks like that's the frame that increasing number of Americans are coming to see it through as well as we get closer and closer to this hugely important election. Ed Pilkington thank you so much. Thank you. That was ED. Pilkington chief reporter for the Guardian us you can read all of his coverage the Guardian Dot Com my thanks to him. This episode was produced by Joshua Kelly, sound design by executing. The executive producers are Nicole Jackson and filming our. We'll be back. Tomorrow

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Own your voice own your power with Arthur Samuel Joseph

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Own your voice own your power with Arthur Samuel Joseph

"Welcome to the Biz for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for that being good at doing good movement we spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection the showing. The true secrets is excess. And creating a life of greater impact so come on board and create your own phys for good life well Welcome welcome to the BIZ. We're good show. I'm I'm your host Bobby Glenn James Along with the Rabbi and Pilkington Ladies and Gentlemen Ryan Pilkington in the House tell Tillis about the show Ryan. Hey Ryan gave worry what we've been vacationing. We've been gone for it. Seems he's like weeks but it's only been five days five days really well. That's how long I was gone. Oh more than that. You've been gone for a lot longer than five. It's GonNa be till commute all right. Well you know pony up here Intel who we're talking to you very good episode. What's what's the name of the show? Today it's own your voice own your power for Arthur Third Samuel Joseph very good tells about Arthur Yes so our Samuel Joseph Founder and and chairman of the Vocal Awareness Institute is widely recognized today as one of the world's foremost communications strategist and authorities on the human voice. A renowned teacher mentor. Mr Joseph's mission is to change the world through voice and also known as expert in communication mastery and we'll we'll be sure to be communicating all throughout the show and I hope I can communicate clearly. Yeah is kind of intimidating this when you go to a party and the one guy introduces himself. And he's the psychiatrist and you're all freaking out. Oh crap I'm going to say something stupid. I'm not in my mom not not in love with well. I didn't WanNa go there but that's fine. You slippers with yourself. What are we gonNA do so as we speak? We've already been corrected want so I'm a little worried. The aren't that you're going to be good to us. You're going to be easy on us. Probably not it's sandbox. Those types of this. This is GonNa be so good. I am so excited about. The show is over in the corner and be quiet. We're GONNA have some fun of very good ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Biz for good show Biz for good show. It was a fun and powerful. podcasts experience sharing stories of hope passion and true secrets to success the connections we make by loving and being good there. There's so much bad noise in the world. It is time to rise against the noise and flooded with the good the Biz for good show is not just a podcast. It's a movement movement. Let's get crazy you find this on instagram facebook twitter and all of the other podcast outlets that you listen to Chris hundreds now there's hundreds now choose three and go with it. Yeah or just use one one and just listened to all these broadcasts on one and ours and ours subscribe subscribe connect. We love. We love our listeners. Thank thank you so much guys out there in podcast. Land Your beautiful people you beautiful beautiful all right so Yeah go ahead. Yeah did you WANNA do a google challenge or lessons in leadership today. Oh I think because we have Arthur on on here. Let's do a lessons in leadership. So are there a lot. Sometimes we we have people on the show and we do stuff just spur of the moment but just to be fair to our audience Arthur whereas decided to do everything for the moment is beautiful wonderful. He has decided to just wing it. And that's GONNA probably be the best show we've ever done so so maybe we'll wing it from now on. So sometimes we ask our guests give our listeners. A A a lesson in leadership so kind of a leadership tip or retool that you have used in your life that has assisted you so takeaway Arthur. My last book vocal leadership seven minutes today to communication mastery. The back of the book has an acrostic on leader across because where each letter of the word represents the meaning of that word and the L. stands for leading by example. So if I say you all today it's really nice. I spit on your show on trying to maintain the high energy standards. How quickly and how we speak? So thank you for having me on but if I do it in vocal awareness office thank you for having me on your show. Today is such a joy to be here. I'm honored to be a part of your mission and thank you for jink minute to change the world through the first one was books what they don't know why we just don't have man was less trustworthy. Realized that simply spoke too fast too high. The second one was more genuine which you didn't think about why he breathed he slowed down. A little bit is pitched went. Lower all you picked up was he was more. Authentic sent so leading by example requires that we also understand. That voice is power and that when you own your voice you own your power. That doesn't make big bombastic at ten. It means a GROHL. Aw Honest Oneness. The other part of that is we never want to present who we are or WHO's improvable in leading by example. We want to be who we look for when we do that. We noble others upland discover Robert Their possibilities but the challenges speeches happened. Nobody thinks about any of this. So so our mind out loud but just looking strategic about-t. There's nothing necessarily helling. So what I'm speaking about here is is Tony. Robin referred of my seven rituals as paired interrupts. He would say to create a new pattern after exaggerate behavior breaking old one so thoughts about what I'm saying my making any sense or y'all deep deep buck this making me aware I didn't hear you. I'M GONNA go buy this book. I want to read more of this really really interesting. Yeah spell your name for me please Sure it's Chris L. Like Cinderella. But with Chris at the beginning saw. Ah Yeah I play with you. Sure tell me ask me questions Tim. Be something that compels. Would you do the work you do. Please just a sentence. What compels me to do the work that I do I'm compelled the do the work that I do because I believe when people tell their authentic stories we connect we connect better and when we go next okay so now sit as the magnificent woman of stature and that's not simply sitting up straight straight. It's literally pulling the threat from three inches below your navel as you bring up. See me doing right now. Right up to the middle of your Crown Shock No rushing and notice the first thing your body does inhale I did that. Yeah the inhale. Yeah of course I do make that statement again. KRASULA is as a woman of stature as a woman of stature. Gotcha I forgot what I saw up without what we do instead is read. We read like it's bench. Press third ritual of okla awareness. So may I played with you all like this I share. Hey we're we're ready to be played with were Linen take a breath of the mortar. Sorry that was me. been playing with allergies of the state copper morning breath now. This time don't do that. I'm going to guide it this time. It'll take five to seven seconds. Allow a slow silent loving breath totally silent in five deeper deeper to deeper. And you feel your your internal and external spaces are instantly quiet. Your Room was actually why you signed the rid allured. Spirit Spinach Bree he reward NASA mom means both soul and breath so since speech habit of it we need to break the. We'd be more consciously aware so we I put ourselves in stature and then we allowed this conscious loving breath so priscilla putting yourself back into stature and allowing just love being brown apex the inhale make we lost a little bit Priscilla and you hear me now can hear you now. Yep Okay so put yourself back into stature allow that slow conscious loving breath and at the apex of your inhale. Make your statement again. I help people to tell their stories. Because I believe when we tell our stories authentically we find better connections. Feel it here. The difference team is yeah. I pass it pass. That's good that's very get it differently and inhale but what you also notice as you were paying attention to sell it differently you are being more mindful Foale. Yeah interesting interesting love. Wow yeah this is cool. This is get your show and no no no no no nude. Yeah we we love it when when the gas takes over it as long as it's good not crazy boring and that was really interesting. I think we all got something out of that. Yeah we do you know the the name of our show is the Biz for good show and we do that because we really believe that being good and doing good is one of the greatest business models in the world and we would like to know from you is there. May I ask you to say one of the most. The business models synthesis. Pick it up right there period at the end of it but breath before you say it's so we believe that the be good do good business. Model is the greatest business model in the world for making impact crate pernell under underlying greatest business model in the world underlying it. And let's say the sentence again and I. Can you see my hand a little bit yet. So I'm just guiding near voice sitting in stature in five awed for deeper deeper in the St Louis the be good do good business model is is the greatest business model in the world. Dot Com did. Did you were listening. It wasn't just noisy. It was intention. It was like there was an intention. You weren't instead of just talking and Dan. I teach a lot of Italy athletes. I've got twenty three students in the pro football hall of fame alone. I myself my classical singer by training. masterson voice voice and I don't just teach communication mastery. It mastery through communication and so this is all metaphor four. This is empowerment through voice tone of the trademark elements of Oak will win. And when I had you underlying you actually saw your words in your mind's eye in this virtual computer screen differently sing. I look at music tells me everything into do. We have words in other words we screened data but I want us to be convicted. Vic did I want us to be intentional. I want us to be consciously aware so we set up these structures in vocal awareness to put us in control. Not just the message but the Messenger and in this form of mastery there is no off switch but also in all forms of mastery it always mind body spirit and all mastery requires rituals. I don't know what athletes who doesn't have a ritual before the compete absolutely no more artists standing ending the wings waiting to come out who just chatting with the Statesman. They're focused and then when we walk out cleaner power. We don't do Louis rest of our lives. In fact we have all these mixed messages. I don't sound like that before saying we should say that. That sounds arrogant. So if I say did you all vocal awareness is extraordinary. Work can help you change your life on moments now. Let's start with an Eric but if I say the response Awareness awareness is extraordinary. It can't help you change your life capable. That's not Eric. That's my so there's a lot of controlling your tone but also the the fast or the pace guesses what it sounds thank redoing. That's yes may I use the word God on your show you may so. We have seven rituals in vocal awareness. The first one not to say aloud but embrace the thought and we have three ways to address it said. Thank you to God say. Thank you to store firsts or merely saints thank you within yourself God source yourself but but take it in right now in this moment and merely choose whichever one you want to say in embracing independently of one another within yourself. Got It in. You feel the room once again. That's liquidator in the body inhales. Now that's part of what I call a mastery moment like the artist of the athlete before you go into any important meeting presentation. Go on a really cool day where you really don't WanNa just do your best. You WanNa beat the integrity of who you are whatever you want to own your power. The mastery moment says we put ourselves in stature. We thank source and we allow slow silent conscious loving breath and then we have one more kice. Sociologist homeless the greatest fear in society of this. That's totally both. You say that's totally bogus. Holy Bogus today. But that's the empty bill of goods. We've been fed for decades The greatest fear actually two-thirds fear of abandonment and ownership of our power. Not being being me and not being afraid of if you think of the wall so to do that requires acquired would become hubristic. But we've been taught that Hubris is arrogant blaspheming. God's but I don't yeah no one great artists on that stage. Who in that moment just not own their thinking? Wow I hope you like me. They're in there in the work. That athlete doesn't say. I hope my teammates approval. What doing or my coach likes my performance? They're totally stop. Focus era master. So I- translating what. It's trained in the ubiquitous. Ten thousand hours into these elite performers to enable us to do this in our daily lives so so when I was writing a hall of fame speech a couple of years ago for one of them athletes. I looked up. The word champion and that word is not sportscenter literally means dazzlingly scuba anything and I ride in my last book. A champion does do it different different but to be champion. We must be Daesh. Dis- intrepid courageous fearlessly mostly daring. Get to work or right now. Nobody we talk about this all the time that none of those. The things that you just said happened by just sitting around wanting it to happen not everything. Life revolves only run two things. Choose to do something or choose not to never met scary out seemingly daunting all that matters and stop badly. I wanted chosen to be great champions and whatever feel realizes everything costs something. They're willing to pay a different price than most host so true. So are there we we always like to ask and we want to ask you what what is Biz for good mean to you and when when did you first encounter it or feel that you know your life's work are you Chose to be a being good and doing good person a wonderful question. I've actually never been asked that question before very thoughtful. US News focused and I was folk. Do you have already said us in some kind of a strange tone. I kind of feel like I'm hypnotized. Aw I knew Mike Calling. When I was four was music I knew when I was twelve? It was singing. Oh I knew when I was fifteen. that a her vocal sound on Mike. Any person I've ever met a planet I didn't know that then but I would in my lessons first-inning teacher Mrs Julia Kin who my first book is dedicated. The middle of my lessons the seventy five year-old. I'm not sure I would say stop. No don't WanNa do like that here in this way. Manically clumping might get I- anthem us like some crazy person and she allowed this quiz behavior because he knew something about me. I didn't yet know so that when you give me your voice I mean who you are in that relationship a sacrosanct. I knew that part at eighteen my work was fully codified in Mike Lynch teens early twenties and this is my fourth year teaching so great Houston like this suspended for something that lasts it. Reclaim William James and that has been a driving force in my life for decades and end so integrity integration have the same root source and this work is required. Ride me to be a far better. Human being would have been without a lot at for my bride in my late mother. It is might do north and in my past so it's my life's work so to answer your question pretty much all my life awesome. Uh and Ryan speech's Sounds like in that you have this. Pay Forward mentality you for what you have to learn Sagan absolutely. I feel like I'm getting test or something. It and that's why the word noble is such a critical word in the leadership matrix because when we hold the size of Uber capable of being an embody the integrity of that we know beloved and help them discovering reflect their possible. This January with my seventy birthday birthday. I launched my certification program because this is my latest Utah. And I don't want to die when I did so. I am training people who WanNa take on to make a difference because they're here and how corporations have CIO's CTO's goes in time CV EOS chief focal awareness officer Communication Bushman. Who can really help? People communicate respectfully to one. Love it anything in the communication world would benefit greatly from all of the things that you've been sharing with us today and I'm very grateful for for what you've been sharing with us and it seems like we. We artists like communication zombies. Point until we're aware so that is awesome. I think it comes down to intention to write Arthur. Isn't it all about your intention. Yes I but it's one thing to say it's all about our intention is nothing to say. It's all about our feel the difference S. That's you know there was an offering and make to your audience my visual voice pro program with a fifty percent discount on offer. Only talk to your audience. Because that's my way of using your term paying forward and when you listen back to the podcast and you edit and you put it together. You'll notice that I literally see every single word I say extemporaneous or otherwise on the virtual computer screen right here and you can see what words I underline. You can even see what consonants ice stress you could see my punctuation. Because I get all and in doing this. We become more consciously attuned to ourselves because the seven ritual of vocal awareness of a piece of paper and a pencil or something to write with the seventh ritual for. Please be myself be myself. y'All completed. Yeah now y'all look towards I presume be myself now. Writer doesn't tax me. Attendance three words the Third World it begins with a capital S.. I'm sorry you lost me. What do we do self be? Might my cell he worked. Aw capital was that scan differently. It does us. It's a big difference. That's this your feels different. Be Myself But and if you understand what she feels and be True Matt rate and when you look at any elite talent in any field this this is entry level for them to even get the square. What if baseball player can't hit a curveball? They don't have a good and the only reason a candidate a curveball is meant if a ballet dancer Cantu Shea nays turns to the left of a game but if I grieve and I look around and I put my foot on my fingers and do all these other things and almond on my way through a conversation you know what I mean in all this kind of white noise nonsense stargate and just because somebody has initials after their name or taught on the doesn't make them a leader so true. This work actually become. I teach a teacher. I talked to people about speaking a lot. And I'm a firm believer that ninety percent of people on stage don't really make an impact act. They're they're not engaging they're not connecting to your their audience and it's sad again. Tell me that again or not. What what an underlying the word engaging in connected period they're not engaging and connecting period? Feel the difference. Yeah absolutely I love it but it and it's sad because like you said anybody can do it and and there's a lot of people that don't they don't have the ego to let go and learn and learn from somebody somebody like you and and actually because I do believe it's can be taught. Do you believe it can be taught are there. I mean this isn't something I teach in universities from Hong Kong University Yale. USC Todd NYU graduate extension of broadcast course at full Sail University in Orlando. It's all topped the debate along online courses. Of course do you believe that even even if somebody is not a two very good at it they can learn. I mean this is something that can be taught from you or is it something Harley born with all trainable my goodness gracious assist very good. I'm glad you said that I would have been sad to Tissot Ryan question. We're winding down with you Arthur We enjoyed our time here. So grateful for you being on the show We want to leave with some tips that you have our listener. You're out there really quick a real quick tip and then leave it How we can get a hold of you or how listeners can get hold of you when it was watch this podcast or listened to the podcast re listen review take notes and and it's one thing to have the dream it's another thing to fulfill the vision that takes Rita work also? Great one liners forty times. Reema reality. I didn't hear you what we listened to it a bunch of times. Yeah Yeah we got you. You've got all these golden everything out of your mouth. Seems like a gold nugget. We gotta hold onto and so people can visit. My website lied. VOCAL AWARENESS DOT com. Should anybody choose to write me. The right to support at vocal awareness DOT COM and my team forwards. Every so you mail a personal answer. Every it's going to be that's nutshell in three. Take a look at the visual. It's a game changer. And if he made a commitment to do it every day for a week and then sign up again for another week. One of my paradigm destruction does not impinge liberates without directionless chaos create structure. Not really do the best you can learn how to become investor capable of. Wow every every line of his mouth I gotTA write that down. Wow this has been so awesome author author Arthur. Thank you so much I mean. This has been really enlightening. Thank thank you I mean I. I've been in the industry in the world and we've all done events been events have been speakers on all those things but I think We're here at the feet of some someone that really understands communication and and how important that is in this world. So thank you so much. Arthur Arthur for being on the show true is owner to be here and thank you for your respecting requests nuts and enjoyed playing with you You're off of Arthur. Thank you so much for being on the show is there. I know you said the website. 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Innovative, Forward thinking, epic experiences with Marcus See

Biz4Good Show

34:24 min | 5 months ago

Innovative, Forward thinking, epic experiences with Marcus See

"Welcome to the Biz for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for the be good at doing good movement we spotlight people that are changing the world integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection the showing. The true secrets is excess at creating a greater impact. So come on board and create your own phys for good life well come. We'll do the shot to busy Joe. I'm bobby religion along with Bill. Gay Tell us about the show right. What's that characters name again? Ryan pill metal full metal on metal thing. You were talking about earlier. Full metal jacket now all the middle. No No oh heavy metal movie heavy metal original no roll through welcome to the frigates show crap we are ahead transition but see. I know I am no good at this. Just one out of studio mode tell you that a studio mode what for because then you just click on it and it just changes. Oh okay all right there you go. Wow sorry face if you that. That's one hundred million dollar phaser yard in the house. I think maybe I'll just leave it on this things us about the show right man. We're in the pocket. Clinical Pandemic Corona Virus podcasting world. Right now coming at you live this best. Forget show Chinese some light in the darkness and here we go with episode timber and yes. It's that episode. Whatever it was is anyways. Thanks for joining us for episode the show and we're going to be sitting down with Marcus see more. Dec- in the House that's kind of the show. Today is innovative forward. Thinking an epic experiences with Markazi with market Burr. And we have not done a show for a while to say where's all transportation's Oh okay it's been a while since we've done a show. People were walking by and we're like dude and martyrs. Hey let me be on the show and we're like Yeah that's right and so we said well then come on and get in here and so we're going to make a commitment to do more shows. That's right yeah so with Marcus he might. We're just GONNA do from now on the Biz for market show Biz for good show when Marcus C C. Are you saying yes you saying. His last name both very good all right. Well Kim. You awesome amazing listener out there. The district show is a fun and powerful PODCASTS. Experience sharing stories of hope bashing and the true secret to success the connections we make by loving and being good yes. That's loving and being good. There is so much bad noise in the world. It's time to rise against the noise and flooded with the gun. Talk Show not just a podcast. It's a movement it's get either. We have too much fun on the show. I miss this man we we we need to do more because it's fun and I've forgotten. How Much Fun. Good show is. Thank you Marcus for showing up. I said I wanted to do. Is there something we need to do before we do? Google challenge press the button while you guys never asked you guys get oh. We skipped his bio. Let's go there's the bio tell us about yourself? Oh you know. I don't really have anything to say now now that this train wreck. That's okay as long as I'm not driving. No I grew up in Montana born and raised in cal- Spell Montana and I lived there until I was Abou- eighteen moved to California got into classic moved from the small town to the big city. Yeah moved moved to. The Big City had culture. Shock was afraid to drive on the freeways smashed between two semis. We didn't have traffic in Montana and then I was so scared when I moved to La. That I wanted to carry an expandable baton which ultimately led ultimately led to me becoming a security officer State California which then led into my career and security security stuff like that armed security which then right. Yeah you guys do. Okay well you. Didn't you win for Milton? Kale's to shoot and people went shooting. Cows shooting deep. Wait a minute. Okay could interrupt. Sorry there. There is no no cows harms during my time in Montana. It's that's good not even tipping. No but as I said shooting lots of shooting shoot and then so moved to Portland Oregon and I became homeless lived in a homeless shelter for three months. I got back on my feet and started getting. I got a job in sales and not alternately turned into an entrepreneur which then turned into me meeting my wife which then turned into me moving to Salt Lake City with her doing security again and then creating a video production company and a bunch of different video related businesses. Wow that's quite the story quite turn of events. Yeah it's there's a lot more but I don't think we have time for the next episode that the next episode. That's right we digging deep with Marcus. See yes like I never get that. Never get that from that cool Google Challenge Challenge. So you're going to mark is see Google going to give me. The other thing is when nights that goes back to my mind now throughout the show. Thanks to or Google Challenge. Who Will Challenge? Okay Ladies and gentlemen you know how this works. We are going to ask Google question. We're GONNA find out on the third page of Google. What Google has an answer? And then we're we're going to get a rebuttal or a a No. That's bull crap from Marcus. And he's going to tell us how it really is. And if mark answers better than Google than he wins. I don't understand what we're doing. That's okay we we're case have done is we have put into Google right now. We have put into Google innovative forward thinking epic experience. We have put that into Google and now heap have we went. We have gone to the third page of Google. We are looking at the third page. Because that's the page that everybody really loves you. Skip the ADS. Yes we usually skip. The is this an ad. Yes as Adema of it so that it says that says add right there so we're going to skip that skipping epochs. We're going to have to use it though. 'cause the only one that's really close program if it's not close your about it so unfair to me. What are you doing? Why are you looking? He's Cherry. Pick to make sure that I will lose this what I learned from frogs in Texas. Now that's that sounds pretty fun. Are you using designed to drive innovation for your company? That's there are epic changes to the EPA bright ideas the most the fifteen most innovative meetings. This is interesting because I have such a good title for this episode and the content is so boring. No thinks allow you just allowed. Gay People are a attend. Meetings are looking for solutions to business challenges to career obstacles to big global problems. It's up to the meeting organizer to create a setting where people can find the answers. This year's list of the top fifteen. Most innovative meetings have done just that and now we're sharing their insights with you in researching this list. We've noticed some trends. Several meetings on our list made an effort this year to focus on diversity and inclusiveness notable at a time when meeting panels are being called out for their lack of diversity this year the term mammals manuals mammals or all male panels. All Mel panels entered the popular lexicon other meetings. On this are tackling how to provide education in new formats better facility facilitate networking and incorporate incorporate technology in now though and usable way. We're getting way boring K. trainwreck. So what's your rebuttal to that love this? This has nothing this. You talk about innovative whatever. That stuff is innovative for epic experience for Marcus so it means doing being innovative doing things differently than other. People are currently doing whether it's in business or just in your personal life forward thinking thinking of ways to not only improve what's currently being done but to improve the innovation and then Innovative and forward thinking or two different things. I believe. So because you can you can change. Let's say you can be innovative and you can change one thing and be happy with that but if your forward thinking you can think about what comes next after you've already next iteration right so forward thinking is start yes and an innovation. Now innovation starting forward thinking would follow right right innovation. Is You create a forward thinking? Is You keep doing? Yeah keep it keep making us two point zero three point five zero right. And then ultimately that should lead to ethnic experiences for whoever is involved or impacted by whatever innovation and forward-thinking happen. I like to epic because well because if litter legitimately are completely different and different than everything else that's out there. You can't help but be epic right now and that kind of the whole point of if nobody's ever seen this before who house the big deal right or if they have seen it now it's being done in a more efficient manner or something that better fits and Taylor's to them than it seems epic. Do you have an example of company that you follow the like mine very go. How is Ariel and three sixty? Does it fit these innovative forward thinking epic experience so wanted as a three sixty production for those. That are listening. I have no clue who I am. I it's a video production company. We work with companies all over the United States and we have multiple different people that we employ and one of our goals is to not only take the existing traditional ways that companies have done video production and make them better but also to make them more. Give the client more control over it. So being innovative means taking what they've experienced already and making that better for for example giving them control over the project leading them actually choose their budget all that fun stuff. forward thinking means that we're constantly constantly looking for ways to make that experience a little bit better more smooth and less cumbersome for them and then the epic experience is just come out of that. You know if the client has a better experience and it's easier and it's a more smooth process than of course they have enough experience epic meaning. They just really are satisfied with the experience. This was just really great to work with you and your company and we gauge that by referrals we get referrals. We assume that somebody had an epic experience in today's age of user experience epic experience. I think takes it up but not absolutely EPI spirit. My wife has a problem with the word though. And we're trying to figure out. Maybe you can help the word epoch food forward. What does that me food? Yeah there's restaurants ago we're food forward. Does that mean they're beyond meat? We're trying to figure what dude for me anyways. We're thinking about innovative forward thinking epic. Experience food forwarded Steph is forward thinking right over thinking it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. Marchesi. We've stopped. It doesn't make sense to me other than you know. They're making their own twists on food like those Asia and fusion types of food forward which is like we're we're trying to be different. We'RE TRYING TO BE MODERNIZED. Asian food or modernized Mexican food if they want to go back and just be innovative. Innovative forward thinking innovative in the way they treat their customer their word choice. If they didn't say food forward I think it'd be better. Yeah I don't know who said that. We should probably start asking marcus question yet for the show okay. I should've I should've episode be called food forward then I never bundled it actually for. Oh Yeah just just just with that said. I do think we need to say officially that Marcus. One that failed miserably. There is nothing about innovative. Failed miserably on that. So congratulations markets for women. Had I had I known is GonNa be on the third page. I would've worked on my website and try to get that up there on the third instead of the sixteen. Marcus doesn't believe social media. He thinks it's our web presence. Private terrible business owner. Except that you you have clients which the which is beautiful because people fight so hard for their web presence for all this stuff and you do not have to have those things necessarily. Yeah they can help. But you're approve that you can grow a business really just by word of mouth. An epic experience beats out presence everyday. Yup Yup absolutely okay. Marcus tell us about the first time or Biz for good. Meant something to you or how what happened in Your Life. That made you go. You know being good and doing good is is something that I want to do in my life. It doesn't have to be business related right. Nope correct all right so going back to my homelessness right. Yeah I was. I was living in Portland Oregon. I was homeless for a of sorry newsletter homeless people in there there is there is a lot of almost. You went there to be homeless. I want to experience the Hippie life. I'm gone and it's interesting because I had moved there in the pursuit of a lot of money which ultimately led to me being broke and homeless. So go figure right if he chased the wrong things. It doesn't work out. Yeah pick up some of you know it look at it. Sounds like does today hiccup in the Mike. That wasn't that's just right. Take that's just a nervous tic And so I ultimately become homeless and there was a gun contact with somebody at the local hospital because I was I was like man. I don't know what to do with my life. I'm a really super miserable. And they sent me up with social worker and they found a bed at a homeless shelter for me and the first night it went to the homeless shelter. I left like this is a homeless shelter. That's packed I had a reserved bed. I went in there. Looked at everybody knows like screw this and I left and slept out on the streets now as a miserable night and then the next night I went back and I was. Please let me in. I'm sorry I was nervous and I ended up going homeless shelter and I remember thinking at the time you know I really hate my life right now but when I look back on it it's GonNa be a great experience and really thought the did I. Actually I had actually mentioned that to somebody said you know right now. It really sucks but I'm to I'm hopefully. They'll learn a lot of this or I'm GonNa shake in the almost shelter and so under the one or the other so what ended up happening was I. I was like twenty two twenty one twenty two posted on on craigslist. I said Hey I miss twenty one year old kid. I don't have a job I'm looking. I've just fallen on hard times. I need somebody to help me out. And this guy's name was Ed Bonnet. He he reached out and he said. Hey let's go to dinner let's talk. Let's your situation as and see if I can help you out. So from a craigslist craigslist ad. Right and so and this is a fantastic sir. Got Sounds a little creepy right right. It could've went. I'm sounds good but didn't eat you. He didn't eat me. Yvonne me dinner or Shank you or Shankman so we went to dinner and we talked a little bit an ultimately is offer was. Hey I'll give you a room for a month. You can do housework and yard work and for ten dollars an hour to pay for the rent but after thirty days I need somebody who's going to pay rent. You gotta find else to go. You got to get a job. Whatever it is and I was super grateful for that. I didn't even have a bed. I remember I had an air mattress and had a hole in it so I actually used that as a blanket for like the first three three weeks. It was terrible. I was looking for a job and I ended up finding one and I ended up staying at that house for almost a year and became really good friends with Ed. And there's a couple of roommates and I actually volunteered over one hundred hours back at that homeless shelter once I got back on my feet within one month so I was there volunteering like eight hours a day. It was great forward for sure. And so Ed really showed me that even if you're in a situation like there's still people out there that are willing to help you if you're willing to help yourself. I learned a lot about the resources that were available to me as a homeless person and I also learned a lot about the compassion that people have for individuals. That really want to help themselves. That changed my life. It changed the whole way. You things also spending time with the homeless shelter changed my opinion about giving money and stuff to homeless individuals because I know programs that are out there for them and it was was ruining media changed. How did it change? Yeah I used to give money to the homeless individuals and you know because if I had money and it's like well they don't have something that they need some money three years later. I still see the same at that homeless shelter. And I'm like what are you guys doing with your life. Look where I'm at compared to you. You have the same same advantages and so I learned a lot of people just live that lifestyle. Because they don't have to work they can just get money so So it changed my opinion on the on that made me far more compassionate for homeless people in General because a lot of them were just down there and I think right now with this pandemic going on. It's a great example of people that are losing their homes or they're going to. They're worried about that and it's not because they made poor choices is just a situation. Yeah so that was. That was my first the first major memory I have about. You know somebody doing good for me. And all that fun stuff and he's cool day for a good story. I never knew I mean did you off you. Got Layers brother layers. I'm like I'm like a cake. I'm sweeter the deeper you dig enemy. Yeah Yeah you pretend to have his shell. You're more like an imminent. Ooh That's a good one pistachio to get through that. Shell because sometimes they're not cracked ones. They're crackle when they're not correct. It's impossible I see. And this is my life. Throw him away. He's not cracked. Open the next question have is. What is your commitment to living his life for Marcus Secrecy? Or how does that look or feel to you or I love this. Because as as a narcissist egotistical mail that I I I tell us what you think joy in other people because it makes feel good about About myself and so you guys have seen it. Those of you listening. Don't know but every day I try to help somebody in improve their business or improve their life with a positive direction or strategy. We always ask me every day. How can I help you? And he means it. I mean do that. And they don't mean it. I've seen I've seen Marcus held a lot of people with nothing and I talked about this a lot on our show. We talk about it but it's like they're waiting for the bitch okay. When's He GonNa Pitch me on? The thing is going to help them with but now marcus is really just doing it to to help that person. That's it. There is no motive. Mind I'll always ask you how I can help you until you actually give me response. I'll just walk away. Yeah we've been real. I'm trying to think of how can you? I need a Ferrari for all right. Well I need a babysitter and so do I only not me. I'm out of that stuff. Love it free free free for those of you out there. That have kids. Don't have kids. I think we all in this room. Have Kids It's a beautiful thing. I wouldn't change it. I wouldn't change it for yes. Our kids are freaking period Ryan. It will get worse. It'll get worse worse and okay. Good worse there'll be a lot of good things in between two you know. There's nothing better than coming home and having your kid young scream daddy daddy and that is a really cool thing really. Is I miss that now. That my youngest is fifteen fourteen and he doesn't do that anymore although he did come hug me the other day. I came up with those make. Sure make sure you post a lot of things on facebook about the good times because when those memories come up you're gonna be like Dang what happens right. GonNa do good design because they do pop up. I go so fun so okay. Did we get off track or what? It's all good. So what is a challenge that you could give our listeners? Some out there. What what can you give our listeners? To Nibble assist them with their life in their work. I would say challenge all the listeners to do something this GonNa positively impact at least one person's life every day every single day and doesn't have to be a bunch of people but just at least one person a different person like I positively impact. My wife everyday like impact her life every day. And so I wouldn't. I wouldn't count that as like you know going out there and doing something. It's just other people. Just do random good stuff and you know you say that and you do that. I mean you call people you talk to people out of the blue and give them advice. You live what you say so I I appreciate that you say that to the listeners. In that it's a real thing. Yeah nobody's GonNa believe that I'm actually all these things now. They've unless you know me. I'm this narcissistic egotistical guy. Right like I got this hard outer Shell I've just going full of Crap Davies Care about then. He goes to know somebody. You give somebody to shirt off your back conundrum. I would take my shirt off re does think it off often. Probably I don't know why we say talking about joke. Markets gas like natural gas. We're all GONNA die. You don't smell something that's interesting. Remember that time on the show. When long fire alarm went off we had to leave the show during the dude stayed on he was on he was on zoom or whatever and so he stayed on and we came back like forty minutes. Later was still there. We finish the interview amazing. That was crazy. It's not live because the explosion. You'll never see it then. Yeah coming was nice knowing everyone anyways just remember. I did get for people. Remember that last words words okay so this goes back to the title. What makes your business different than any other business or personal development or business to free that last part here personal all read it your business different from any other business or personal program. I'm not. I'm not a personal development way. Mike Company focuses on being innovative for thinking and providing experiences in. So that's just in the film world. That's something that not a lot of creatives focus on the focus more on mastering their craft and being good at what they do and creating a great product whereas we focus on making the user experience better. Our first focus is customer experience and then second focus video targets. So that's what makes us different and I think that's the key. A lot of people in businesses. Think that it's their thingy that's the most important part but as actually the customer that's the most important part and giving them the experience that they'll wanna come back or like you said tell somebody else value right. That's where you've got something great. It's not necessarily about your thing. Your service it's about the part for that client and there's definitely companies out there that provide a better type of service or not service but a better quality of a product. Maybe shooting four K. Eight K. Or whatever but even come to us because they have a better experience than they do with that four case. That's the essence of the Biz. Frigate show the Dugan. Does the you got it. You Down Bam all right but we're getting because right yeah. Customer Service customer service experience focus on the customer and what will make them happy instead of what you think they need. Even that's all irrelevant but if you focus on what that customer can experience the have a good experience they are going to come back and the same thing. I talk about it with your employees. The same exact thing with your employees when you treat your employees with respect and you show them that you appreciate them. You're going to keep them and you're going to have amazing customer service for your customers because I don't care how much you tell your clients to have good customer service if they hate working for you. You can't teach them how to be good to the clients and you said earlier you get rejected to referrals. Where about our company works about ninety three percent on referrals and repeat customers and that is proof right there. How the user experience being good doing good get you makes the business or I'm just cheap. Cheap cheap is not. We know that cheap doesn't necessarily cut it. If you're the cheapest but you suck I am still gonNA use you. That's my deal with. The dollar store pisses me off the dollar store. You know. Yeah it was just the buck but I would like it to work once before it breaks at work one time before it breaks. I just threw away. The buck doesn't matter how cheap it was. I think it's a really good good lesson for businesses to to understand that the better experience our customers have the more you can charge because yes we can yes. We consistently raise prices in different areas and our customers. Don't Balk at it at all. Because they know what they're getting huge we talk about Biz Biz. Forget is not about giving away or not making money absolutely not the more good you do the more money you'll make truthfully yep cool. Wow this was an awesome. Hey Tell Tele folks about where to find Marcus. How can people get in touch with you and connect and all that good stuff so you can find my video? Production Company area three sixty DOT COM. It'll take about eight seconds for that web aged load because again don't care online presence so if you go there and make sure you have some popcorn and a drink a cool movie Just because the load time and then once you get to the movie you'll probably needed buffer that as well so you're probably going to fifteen twenty minutes. If you want a little bit quicker experience go to facebook dot com slash aerial and three sixty. And you can find my my podcast mind. And Bobby's other podcast at failing filmmaker dot com or really feel maker DOT COM or facebook dot com slash failing filmmaker and my online filmmaking. Making course filmmaker business BOOT CAMP DOT COM or filmmaker business boot camp dot gob. Tell us a little bit more about that. Real quick optimus prime. Give me a shout. Autos WATTS ROLLOUT NICE auto body. Roll out something like that. What did you want hear more about? Sorry Auto Butts rule. Yeah the BOOT CAMP. So we have a filmmaker business. Boot camp. That's designed specifically to help filmmakers with the business side of filmmaking. Not The creative side We It's twenty five hundred dollars and we guarantee that in the Twelve Week. Course they will if the opportunity to secure at least twenty five hundred dollars worth of new business or actually refund them their difference so they only if the only secured nineteen hundred zero t baby. Yeah they only secured nineteen hundred dollars over this twelve weeks. They'll get a six hundred dollar refunds. So there's no money out of their pocket that they're actually losing to get investment for themselves and going back to you know Biz for good. Show be good do good. We're just GONNA take their money and hope they're successful actually make sure they're successful money. Where your mouth money were. My Wallet is and I love it. Markus thanks for being on the show. Man Super Cool. Thanks for hounding us about this and being on the show connectedness. Hopefully you guys. Don't look at me differently. Casino homeless. Yeah. We'll definitely look at you differently. Now with more respect you guys start giving me food and so here. I dropped off to hear some twenty dollars. Here's an any given okay given hundred? Here's that he actually gave it to me. Then you'll meet hundred dollars right there. Don't do oh this is how much I care about money. Don't even not even usable anymore. Good do good. Don't worry about money that's cool. I'm GONNA leave that hundred dollar lesson hundred dollars retail awesome. That's even colluded. Just we shrivel up the twenty two and then have it all on the table but we gotta make sure it looks like a twenty. Tell her I read the money. You gotTA TAKE US OUT RYAN stakes. Read the money. The money Brown Brown's shred aspects. This going on okay. Wow Okay we always betting we got under way in the show always good do good hang. We currently on their one. So we're going to say ashtray. You get involved in this if you want to be Hashtag Hashtag rain down there at the bottom of that thing. If you if you need to read something Hashtag Goud Dog. Who'd yet here we go as to be good. Do Good Sag. Good do good do. Wow and that's a wrap. Thank you for listening to the business. For good show podcast. We want to thank all our guests on the show. Be sure to check us out on all our social media platforms facebook twitter and Instagram House. For your host Bobby Glenn James and Ryan Pilkington. This is Tim Jackson saying and do some good now go.

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The True Measure Of Hurricanes

Weather Geeks

42:01 min | 1 year ago

The True Measure Of Hurricanes

"For decades the staffer simpson scale has been the scale used to warn people about the destructive power and approaching hurricane but recently has come under fire because it is based solely on winning and devon speak to the hazards associated with a hurricane such rainfall so a group of civil engineers have developed a model in which they say could truly for cats the power of a hurricane today we talked to a member of that group stephanie pilkington to discuss the inner workings of that model will dive into a discussion on how one day we could use such models to protect life and property unexplored the true measure of a hurricane stephanie thank you for joining us on the weather geeks podcast thank you for having having me now stephanie is a phd canada in a researcher at the center for risk based community resilient planning and i don't know if you're based in maryland i i used to live in germantown so i used to drive by of a very large this center a on my way to work everyday often there's a big presence in boulder colorado where you based on based at colorado state university which is in for calling absolutely yes so you are part of a larger sort of a a network of mr researcher so we're really happy to have you here when one of the things it really came up and i this discussion really dot dot dot going after hurricane florence and twenty eighteen this notion that the staffer simpson scale just maybe inadequate the capture the feed the the true danger or risks associated shady with hurricane a before we get into that will go dark quite a bit into a little bit about yourself and what you do witnessed okay my name is stephanie pilkington i'm currently essay phd candidate at colorado state university a lot of the work focus on is modeling community resilience from multi hazard events or natural hazard events in we look at both impact in recovery overtime following such a bad no are you is you're back get round prior to you're phd worker uae meteorologist or you're civil engineer you little bit of both i see a little bit of boats but my degrees their own civil engineering without a focus cy kind of built in it's related meteorology for example i also storm chase so so when's the last time you've been out there chasing move i could knock it out this past spring but a spring previous being in colorado is actually kind of beneficial for that yeah do you interacted with the folks at colorado state university before those listening to the podcast has one of the the the better a graduate programs and atmosphere science is in the in the nation so do you interacted with any of the folks over there i i know several colleagues there in department yes actually in a lot of my friends there in that department 'em but i have taken classes over with that group to yeah so you certainly definitely you're sort of sharing both sides of the fence here by by i did colleagues of mine i don't know if you have the new and the doctor brian bledsoe with their civil engineer accusing civil engineering their association but he's now here at the university of georgia with meaty happening to him a name but i haven't had okay well we'll move on i just wanna give him a little shout out let's talk about why win is not necessarily the best measure of the impact of the power of hurricane so window is just one of many variables occurring when a hurricane makes landfall fall you know we obviously know did hurricane spring with the storm surge intense rainfall but there's also this idea that certain locations have different infrastructure quality certain locations have higher population densities these all play a role so any overall impact of that hurricane right in that thing we've seen that with recent storms perhaps like hurricane florence hurricane harvey i wanna kind of talk about hurricane florence were because that's really where this discussion a gain traction in the broader meteor although i suspect you you've been working on this problem for quite some time it was interesting because when we saw hurricane florence approaching the carolina coastline we had this sense that it was going to be a fairly significant storm actually it it it lowered its intensity some as it got closer to landfall but we is meteorologist always knew it was going to stall out the models were pretty bullish on that happening it's going the doll and kind of sit there and quite a bit of rainfall unfortunately only some people once they heard the intensity of the staffer sense of scale is lower than expected some people kind of let their guard down went back into their homes but these were some of the same places they were always going to get the flooding associated with this rainfall so that's a big challenge that's a that's a big challenge and when you're trying to save lives and property so talk to us a little bit about what you saw what what you were thinking as you saw hurricane florence playoff yeah i had the same thought we now we're looking looking at the fact that it was gonna intensity why you know slowdown for lack of a better term that doesn't necessarily mean they impact lessened a lot of the times and were looking at impact flooding is major contributor to that an if the precipitation didn't decrease the forecast and precipitation that doesn't necessarily mean you're impact decreased know a couple of areas that felt a brunch at the impacts from florence did so because of heavy flooding so what ended up happening is when we communicate using the saffir simpson scale people think that or seem to interpreted as that steve bottom line risk they're looking at when in fact there's multiple variables at play here just because it went down in wednesday does not mean that the rainfall forecasts necessarily change same thing for harvey harvey did downgrade once it made landfall but it sat there in and continued to dump rain in that case rain was the big flood producer in the big damage producer with harvey i i i i wrote an article in forbes a week before landfall saying it's gonna dump thirty to forty inches of rainfall and even more but yet i hurt people afterwards saying wow we don't think it's gonna be that bad we really didn't get all the data was suggesting it was going to be that bathroom rainfall perspective but i think one of the things you're alluding to is people with hurricanes there so it tuned to the win damaging the win the profile of the storm if they underestimate what a what a storm may not even have a name anymore kundu and it sits there and dumps rainfall for days oh definitely though is actually the motivation behind starting doing this work because i was in new england for hurricane sandy you know we had i kept hearing people say oh it's just a category one who's barely but it's enemy landfall in the case of the drives me keep going but i do better oh yeah absolutely i drove me nuts hearing god's just that category one in you know i almost got a sore throat from all the times they kept saying okay well it may just be a category one but it's new york there other hazards you know new york has built out from the shoreline you start bringing surgeons that factor if you go above this the walls of where they built out okay now you're gonna flood sea water into manhattan you know it doesn't really matter what the windows at that point if you're still gonna bring the sea level rise up yeah yeah right exactly and so this notion and i think the national weather service has really kind of tried the shift the narrative some by moving to what's called impact impact base forecasting but i do think he sort of hurricane scale this after simpson scale is so ingrained in the culture of society right now that people here in cat three cat for cat five and they make different decisions based on the category this are we saw this with hurricane michael in florida last year a i thought by monday two days before it actually made landfall and it was probably going to be at least a category three storm and i wrote to the f that affecting forbes ended up being even stronger than that but i guess my question was at what point is a cat three in a cat four really different in terms of how you make decisions but when i talk to people there in florida and other places and i talked to some social science colleagues they said yeah people have these different sort of decision injuries in their mind depending on whether they think it's a cat four cat three or even a tropical storms that your experience oh definitely any other thing that's interesting is that their neighbors will influence their decision as well if say they have one neighbor that decides they saw this hurricane ike one neighbor decides to evacuate than others will decide to evacuate in a kind of snowball effect so it definitely there's different ways they interpreted and i think the goal when we were looking at communicating impact is ultimately to kind of mirror that almost dependence we have on the saffir simpson scale and the way it's done by creating a similar kind of quote unquote ranking system but it would be coupled with that stuff there simpson scale in other words if you looked at say 'em hurricane sandy you'd say okay that's a category one impact level five of them so were still with in a kind of scheme that the public is used because we've i'm so dependent on the saffir simpson scale but now we're trying to bring in all these other factors as well you know it's interesting the the question but i i was going to ask you nixon you used to give you a nice leading his do you think the criticism of the saffir simpson scale is warranted at now one of the things i don't think it's often communicated when we were warning about hurricanes and the public is that it is they win scale it back to the saffir simpson windscale scale and so it does what it with designed to do quite well actually but it's just evolved into sort of the end all be all scale that people used for hurricane threats and i think that's where you're research is sort of trying to change the game a little bit so do do you think the criticism of its failure or just just a bit sort of overblown a little bit of both it depends on the context 'em i think when we start looking at the dependence on it as a society when we look at it relating risk of an event that i think it's justified i mean you're right it does do it it's designed to do it ranks it by the win speed and i've even had publications where i've gotten comments back to state the change to say the staff simpson windows scale specifically pointing that out so more suing the communication side i think it's warranted it's not wrong and what it does but we just become depending on how it's moved forward in communicating risk yeah no i i agree with you kinda gave us a hint clue about you're model you're pro cheer when you were answering the question previously a tell us a little bit about your model what what the parameters of factors that go into the model oh yeah sure so the hurricane impact of a model is essentially uses artificial neural networks to the form of an eye to communicate multiple input parameters to in overall impact level which is in terms of economic damage economic damage we chose because it's one of the ways we rank hurricanes after the fact you know this is the costliest hurricane in history so on and so forth de input parameters we chose are you're hazards of course you're winning speed you're maximum accumulated precipitation you're maximum storm surge and then of course the population affected affected the amount of people that reside within the area of tropical storm force winds as it's making landfall in then from there we also have the option for up to four possible landfall locations so for example hurricane katrina actually made landfall fall in florida before it went to the new orleans area so that access to landfall similarly with hurricane irene attract up the east coast so it has multiple landfalls as well and we want it to be able to communicate that you know this might not be hitting just one location to hit this entire population density right so this is clearly a multi parameter multi factor skill that is all in top of thing in trying to capture the full suite of impact associated associated with hurricane now interestingly i mean i i there are some an we've talked about this on on on whether these podcasts in the past there are some that argue that these multi scale sort of multi numeric approaches will confuse the public even more water you're thoughts on the yeah i could definitely see that 'em at that's one of the reasons we try to make it the outcomes of it the impact level tried to mirror how this after simpson scale is done so by not adding in let's say eight ten ranked penn level system so if we went to something that had impact levels zero through ten type of idea or a different type of ranking we tried tried to mirror it so that it would be something that people are more used to write 'cause you can you can definitely thirteen introduced this level of confusion and we you know i'm guilty of this as well but we do do this and the scientific community city where you know we try to communicate technical content concepts that we kind of feel like communicating and accurately and it just adds confusion to the situation so we really tried to keep all the technical stuff more so on are end in kind of bottom line it in a way we thought people would be familiar with the weather channel is partnering with land in the give you a chance to win some amazing gear three lucky winners will receive the new ultimate rain jackets at the weather channel meteorologist will be wearing during the upcoming hurricane season so what are you waiting for enter for your chance to win at we love whether dot tv slash lands that we love whether dot tv slash land and we're back on whether geeks podcast i'm doctor marshall shepherd and university of georgia and i'm talking with phd candidate inist researcher steph stephanie pilkington and were talking about the feffer simpson scale of what the true measures of a hurricane and i think this this is a very important topic in came more into delight in twenty eighteen after hurricane florence now this is weather geeks so we could get a little bit geeky you're you're left the discussion was talking about the need to be very clear and accessible for the public but i wanna dive a little bit deeper into what neural networks in machine learning rx as you mentioned the bad is a part of your model what a neural networks in machine learning and why are you using them okay so yeah neural networks yeah 'cause now i'm gonna kick out a little bit of list geek out we love what we do so so neural networks are sensitive form of artificial intelligence and they're all network there are very much designed to perform one specific goal so in this case we designed it with a specific goal line of predicting impacts from hurricane in terms of economic damage there's intially modeled after is how the human brain learns so within her brain we have neurons in snaps his that fire between them now they're transferring data essentially you know if you're i always used this example because i don't know why it just pops into my mind but i had to testy idea that metal conducts heat when i was five years old you know you you touched hot metal hand it burns and you automatically create these pathways in your brain that says do not do that like it basically tells you what the outcome will be so that you know moving forward same kind of idea just on a different level so in an artificial neural network you have neurons in input layer which would be oldie inputs from the hurricane then you have hidden layers which you're hitting their own and then you have an output layer without put neurons which would be each impact levels now between these layers you have multi connections which you could think of as the senate apps this isn't a brain in these connections are how the data relates to each other a it's a very non linear approach it allows us to almost have them intertwining inner connect to reach and overall predictive outcome so this is really a sort of that sort of building on what we're seeing now in society where we're seeing more artificial intelligence a machine learning neural network that activity is being applied to many aspects of society you decided to apply sort of hurricane riskin assessment yes exactly yeah but actually kind of a funny story of the idea to use neural networks with my advisers idea a doctor mahmoud i told him i want to do this thing would communication in hazards and he's like oh would have done neural networks and we kind of ran with it because it has it's such a at applicability in this area because it's not linear nature hoosier visor again doctors we sam on the okay yeah no i knew it was all my mood is well so i wanna make sure it wasn't the same colleague yeah no no i want to kind of talk about the model a bit more have you actually tested the model and if so how how is it done so far yup we have tested we have been using real time for the past three hurricane seasons ironically clearly frustrated the first two because nothing's happening so this is kind of the dilemma we have a scientist because we know these are dangerous storms and we don't want any harm to the public but yet from a scientific standpoint we need some cases exactly i'm sitting there like you know you should be happy that there's no destruction at the same point i'm kind of wishing for it but i shouldn't wish for it the first two years we had a couple of weeks storms it made landfall and fall and then all of a sudden twenty sixteen came with matthew in twenty seventeen came so it really picked up from there and we have been tracking it real time and has proved fairly well we did find in one publications coming out soon will highlight this is that it's most accurate thirty hours from landfall 'em in it's more first hurricane of vince like harvey the decided to rapidly intensify it's that thirty hour mark becomes more critical however hurricanes like hurricane irma stayed pretty consistent in their forecast in forecasting impact level wasn't impactful for in it held at that entire forecast period in that's what it ended up being once they got the final tabulated results from irma so this is really interesting in i i hear what you're saying because one of the things i've noticed in recent years and i think the literature perhaps supports the is worth seeing a active what we call rapid intensification are are i events for those listening rapid intensification a we look at storms that drop a certain amount of pressure over giving amount of time we thought for example with hurricane michael a you mentioned hurricane harvey is well and so that thirty hour window or that thirty hour threshold you talked about a as a challenge because you might have a storm that is within that thirty are not in a boundary in rapidly intensify so how are you're trying to deal with that or they're gonna just a bottle or is it just something that's going to be a deficiency of the model going forward for now at least three now it's probably considered a deficiency of the model of one of the things is that the most heavily reliant on you know the forecast coming out of the national hurricane center so if that rapid intensification is in seeing priority and it doesn't come out need visory so i should say then the company advisories until twenty hours these outlets say then it won't be in the model until that point either in this is solely because i am not i don't have a degree in meteorology not a forecaster i'm an engineer so i'm trying to kind of leave that part's meteorologist 'cause they know better than i do and then bring it into the impact side which is worthy engineering part comes in what you do know though big challenges with with hurricane force gasping unfortunately leave the intensity for a you know the track forecast have gotten somewhat good over the last several decades there's been marketed improvement the challenges still that darn intensity forecast though and so yeah i mean it sounds like you're you're you're model really you're hangs on that some degree it does and this other the same publication we found that it's sensitivity at this thirty hour mark if we also look at a data trends the past five years on intensity and track forecast will be found and i believe it was around eighty not difference in win speed so intensity is equivalent to around the thirty hours threshold which to me tells me that okay were still in the same category he if you do a rapid intensification where you jumped the category now we've got a problem right in that creates problems across the board in general just from an emergency preparedness standpoint i'm you're a logical standpoint excetera i wanna i kind of circle around to the source so what factor here because that's for me in my own research in my own weather communication that's always the bottom line for me a what is your ultimate goal free remodel ultimate goal is i would liked to see it in use eventually a in you specifically what the saffir simpson scale in conjunction with this weather forecast so that maybe it provides a way for us to communicate risk that sink in easy to understand band but the public that see ultimate goal when we set out to create what what what does that look like the i mean in terms let's let's take a case like a hurricane florence harvey what does that look like who's issuing is is you're model year rating system coming from a hurricane center from local emergency managers the scenario ideally look like in your mind ideally a nationwide entity would be preferable so that would be like the national hurricane center something that is at that point it would be well established all the kinks worked out well accepted by the community if you need the national hurricane center behind something like that then you know it's pretty much well established as well so i would say more so on the national level like that that thinking communicate down can be brought down into be local level says well you know i talked to the doctor rick mab the former director of the national national hurricane center now a senior tropical specialist here at the weather channel and and we we had a little conversation on a previous podcast about this and you know i think he you know recognized in in mentioned this or challenges that the saffir simpson scale scale a cause' but i sense a little bit of hesitation in terms of sort of you know more multi variant are sort of throwing other things into the mix at the forecast with hurricane center have to deal with so if that were the case they're the hurricane center could you see a scenario where someone mica fema could could be a good home for for you're rating system oh yeah definitely a especially because once you start looking at these emergency management level you know that's where a lot of communication eucation risk in preparedness and evacuation orders come out of so that's also definitely another way forward but welcome back to the weather geeks podcast i'm doctor marshall shepherd from the university of georgia and i'm talking with phd canada and researcher stephanie pilkington she's working on her phd at colorado state university and she's also a researcher with the national institute of standards and technology center for risk based community resilient the planning and i wanna kind of pivot my discussion there now what is you're model say in general about the current state of resiliency in before you even answer that question defined for the listeners what at least you understand resiliency peter mean because it's one of those words but gets thrown around else kind of buzz worthy but someone listening to this casually makes it what hector they were talking about resiliency yeah resilience we typically look at as he ability of a community or an individual building let's say two absorbed in recover from an extreme stress her son extreme stressor in this case would be a hurricane so absorb would mean the damage you have from the hazards from hurricane so they impact of hurricane d a recovery portion is say how long does it take to get people back in their homes how long does it take to rebuild those homes how long into schools are fully populated again many many criteria with in the realm of what are we trying to recover back to and this model is more so focused on de impact side were looking at that ability to absorb it wasn't originally designed with the intent of modeling overall resilience since it was designed with the intent of communication but if i had to say it would be focused more so in that initial impact and ability to absorb door but hazard and so then sort of back to my original question now what what does it say about ever from your perspective about the current state of resiliency in some of these vulnerable geography okay so what if we look at the impact inside one of the city's we looked at is say if we move some historical events around along the usa coastline how does their impact change one of the things we found is that if we moved pretty weak tropical storm up to new york you're still looking at a significant impact level so when we're talking resilience you're looking at a sharp drop in that initial impact firmative at how well they're able to absorb and extreme stressor so they're vulnerable and not and to that extent because they're gonna end up with a large damage date or sorry larger impact level than say narian florida turns however these other concept is that like how do we move these things over in time so if we take some historical hurricanes in run 'em as if they were hit today of all these measures we put in place actually reduced de impact from these events when we found is that they didn't 'em so even things like the seawall in texas 'em are national flood insurance program that these things haven't done anything to really reduce that sort of initial impact from an event right have you been in a hurricane yourself or been been down essentially chasing hurricane so you storm chasers but more so tornadoes 'cause i know observe and the far right hurricane i've been in irene a as in the washington dc area when that hit yes yes i i believe i was actually there at the time as well speaking of hurricanes florida in taxes are two of the more vulnerable parts of the united states to hurricanes why are they so vulnerable other funny thing is they can't overlook the fact that you know their location plays a strong rolling that sure they're they're sort of sticking out in the tropics near the i mean you want warm water hurricanes and they're pretty much in it yes so that definitely plays a role when you start to look at both these states one of the other things they both have in common is they strong population increase trees 'em which actually played a large role in the overall impact from an event you increase of population you increase the infrastructure available to destroy in a lot of places as infrastructure grip as sorry as population grows you know were still still trying to keep up with our infrastructure quality and quantity me new demands the now you add an extreme stressor to that end that makes these areas even more vulnerable 'cause they're just struggling to keep up with base rate says it is that could add something to that i wanna get your thoughts on it you mentioned this increase in population so you're adding more condos there's more more stuff in the way these urging that's part of the increase in cost in addition to some other things perhaps it will talk throughout the moment but what you also add not only are you adding more people to these vulnerable communities you're adding more people that perhaps art experience with hurricanes talk to us about the impact there oh yes definitely suddenly i actually was having this conversation with someone recently where he said you know i wonder if there's a way we can look at resilience by people's experience with an event it's really funny when you moved to an area that either is you'll a lot of hurricanes or gets a lot of tornadoes if someone's leave their their whole life their perspective on it is a lot different than someone that just moved there an i almost wanna see their their emotional state is more resilient such events 'cause they're able to to observe the situation in you know prepare in kind of taken in better so a few more people moving to these areas that are used to it you almost had to panic that people who are used to it would not have because they've basically i hate to say it this way but built up a tolerance almost you know a good way to put it but even that tolerance build up ashley could be dangerous to you because you hear statements like oh outlive through category three ten category three all my life i'm not moving back to the category than than that's why said that because people sort of have that sort of anchoring inexperience i saw little that with harvey because people in houston they're used to getting floods all the time only allen's is people people haven't lives through and anomaly event until their experience with other events even though they may have lip through certain things art a they haven't experienced what we call an anomaly event for reason because it's an anomaly talking about the so that's that's also an interesting point there is this that would be called like a black swan event i don't know if you've read that sir but yeah that's really it's really fascinating he gives this example of a chicken on a farmer's something you know everyday the farmer feeds the chicken and and so the chicken becomes comfortable and thinks that that's gonna happen every day i up until the day the former decides that he wants chicken for dinner so you know there's this idea that these types of events are very hard to predict ander really hard for individuals to wrap their mind around it's just kind of one of the things in our brain is structured you know it's not necessarily true that what has happened in the past will hold true moving forward in the future yeah we we we talk about new normals all the time and you know one of the things that's looming in the discussion a is climate change and you know i i had a reporter actually called me the other day they wanna talk to me and they're like well climate change is become so politically i think no it has it's it's it's been politicized but the science is what it is and so the the period literature suggest that there's not as much clarity on the frequency of of hurricanes in a climate change world but they're a consensus a science and i'm seeing suggested when they do occur on average they they made me a bit more intense and we may see more rapid intensification as well so talk to us about one your thoughts on that and then to kenya model twitter account for the potential impacts of climate change so yeah that's definitely what i've seen is well is there is a consensus on when they do form they're gonna be more intense a most studies actually do show that we'll see increased win speeds increased precipitation and then of course he level rise just automatically you could say increased surge as it were rising sea level obviously storms they're just gonna rise as well yeah that's i think that's the case where when people sort of ask the question was climate change a pack of impacting this generation right now of hurricanes i think one of the easiest answer to is related the philo because there's more water coming in with the surge 'cause it's a higher level of of right rise and so there and we have storm surgery doing perhaps with more water than you whatever years ago perhaps yeah exactly and that's where you have you know the vulnerability of states like florida which have low elevations that's where it really starts to come in your view of sea level rise we just had sea level rise florida would still be in very vulnerable area because of that right but but then you throw in a you know every now and then this is a tough discussion to have with people because they want to sort of say oh you know that hurricane wasn't that strong what do you saying they were gonna have more intense hurricanes it's hard for people to sort of sort of not talk about things in sort of individual or sort of a you know one off terms because we say they're gonna be a generation of stronger hurricanes doesn't mean every hurricanes can be a cash offer hurricane i find that to me very challenging when i when i talked to the public perhaps particularly the you know maybe don't they don't understand the science is we do how do you make hard you so everybody can you pretend you're model incorporate are you thinking about such changes going forward or is that something that's to be determined so we have looked at using it for that purpose specifically this model was stilts based on current infrastructure quality so keeping this in mind it can change d'you hazards so if we know that we're gonna see an increase in the average win speed of however many not three miles per hour we can add that hypothetical situation into the model same thing with precipitation same thing with storm surge in terms of sea level rise the hazards himself comey added in the model and also population increase increase storm size because we're looking at the population affected and we did look at that so by doing all of those those four things we can kind of get a baseline of what we would expect to change you know what is it take to make the new norma billion dollar event not accounting for inflation and not accounting for changing infrastructure which would obviously make these numbers worse but what would it take to make the new norm a billion dollar event and we have started so look at that primarily right there man i i'm glad to hear that because you know one of the things i talk to congressman bob english who's a former congressman and he he talks about you know he doesn't understand this sort of skepticism that you seeing some camps concerning climate change said you know good good good conservative principle bob's a very principled conservative he's a good person conservative principle if the prepare for all of the risk so there's a possibility of it happening you need have a scenario area where you prepare for and so i i appreciate him saying that because i think that's something that we all can learn from a on these issues that no one in this last few minutes i wanna just get you're perspective because you've been doing research on this for a while he did you know there are a lot of people people jumping into this game so to speak after harvey in florence you've been at this for a while so i really trust your expertise on this just based on your experience how how do you see communities best getting prepared for hurricanes even either now or going forward just some things that you've picked up along the way from your own researcher observations that could work communities can just do a better job oh that is you're asking that almost like a year it's a it's kind of a complex wait a look at it and i say this because you know jokingly civil engineers often say to each other you know maybe we should just move new orleans 'em we know that's not gonna happen so when we talk about how the communities better prepare one of the things i've always i've kind of sorry how do i put this kind of started to observe observed when we do these studies after events is that a lot of the time when we talk about preparation shooting or infrastructure how we grow a community a lot of it seems like the those problems that come in that make it a disaster for natural hazard an ultimately window that says to me is that were trying to fight mother nature where where essentially putting up barriers in trying to better mother nature we picked a fight with someone we can't win in instead what we should be doing is looking at how we adapt how we absorb those impacts in how we can readjust after the fact so in other words instead of just forcefully trying to tame the mississippi maybe there's some way we can go about you know working in the bounds of the fact that that is a me injuring river stuff like this you know especially when we're building coastal communities in those areas are growing focusing on the fact that we're not gonna best mother nature she's gonna win end of story we just need to be able to work with in those balance you that's a really you know i you know i i have little things that i like they used when i'm communicating but boy i i really just learn something from you that with a really great way of framing were picking a fight with get win i think that's an excellent way to put this i mean i i i remember a comedian i remember who it was he was saying that there's not a single person they can stop water when it decides he wants to go over and go through some larry's i think he's referring to the hurricane katrina i mean you know the flow yeah that's another example i always give is that you know we all think water's not that big of a deal but if you think about it's a a school cubic foot of water so a cube that's a foot by foot by foot waves sixty two pounds absolutely yeah you know that's a force to be reckoned with that smaller than most of my carry on right end would not pass the inspection at the airport right right yeah no we we know the water is always the the the deadliest threaten a hurricane whether it be surgery later in freshwater flooding so it's ironic that we've been talking about the favour simpson scale which they windscale and yet the most deadly aspect of a storm it's not the most telegenic aspect often but it's off often the deadliest as water so my last question or maybe my by next to last question one more for you after that do we get people stop using the factory simpson scale or do we get them understand a better way to users would how would you answer that 'em afforest communicating risk if it's not great for that aspect but it wouldn't go ahead go so far as to say like let's just this season we're just gonna stop using the saffir simpson scale i don't think that would go over well at all i think it would throw more confusion into the mix if we want to eventually get away from the saffir simpson scale i think the ideal way to do it starting pair it with some other form of risk communication and then maybe you know start to weeded out but no way do i see it as a good idea to just all of a sudden stop using that scale altogether yeah i i thought you might say that i i agree with you as well i really do appreciate the fact that you have been i mean because this there's been something that people are jumping on a in recent months after early two thousand eighteen two thousand seventeen season but i i'm always very hesitant about knee jerk reaction rearm researcher knee jerk things that pop up a for for various reasons so i appreciate stephanie you you've been thoughtful and working on this for a while my last question is what what's next year after year after year phd is done at colorado state oh well i'm hoping to continue in academia in research as a professor i i'd like to continue on this line of work with community resilience whereas multi hazard modeling with technical communication to communities a and also in the realm of resilience smart cities starting to bring a little more hey i in the picture maybe so ultimately all published stay within research in this area yeah well i i will certainly be watching your career a closely i i'm very impressed with what you've

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"Today, we often hear about conspiracy theories vicious ones as they unfold online. But what happens if you find yourself at the center of a storm viral lies and the monkey gangs of Kuala Lumper? Jamie Fullarton has been in the forest growing capital of Malaysia. Where monkeys are clashing with the humans invading their jungle territory. It was an ordinary day. I dropped my three kids at school. Only got back to my life was never the same. He might have had the story of Lenny Pozner, his son Noah was the youngest of twenty children. He died in the Sunday hook sheetings when alone gunman ended a primary school in Connecticut in December twenty twelve good evening. The horrific details of one of the worst mass shootings in America's history aren't folding traumatized children of spoken of how bullets majority. Those who died today were children beautiful little kids between the ages of five and ten years old. So our hearts are broken today. Eleni this tragedy was also the beginning of years affair and trauma. He became the victim of a vicious conspiracy theory claiming that nobody died at sandy hook and his son never existed. It makes me feel as though they are negating my pain dismissing my son's life. Myth was amplified by Alex Jones and his website, info wars and Lenny has been threatened followed and harassed out to fair. He has moved home eight times in five years, but only one person has been arrested for the tariffs on Lenny. He is furious. He's forced moderators to delete thousands of posts. And now has a defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones. I couldn't do anything about my son being murdered. But his memory being destroyed online that I can do something about and he's not the anyone tired of being ignored an of harassment not being taken seriously at the victims starting to take action and in different ways from the guardian. I'm indirection today in focus. How do you fight back? If you're the target of conspiracy theory. The modern form of conspiracy theory that I think has its heart in America. But is you know, consistent right around the world. Now is a theory about some power or some thirty- being against you. The individual at Pilkington is the chief reports of the gods in US. He's been traveling the states meeting victims of conspiracy theories one of the people I spoke to Lenny Pozner whose father of a school victim from a mass shooting. I think he put it very well. It's a mass delusion considering varies of changed from the days where we thought of them as the hobbies of enthusiast, you think of Roswell U F O's, well, the fake moon landings where people are investigating sort of fairy that they had about some major world event. Now, it's become an aggressive form of attack driven online against individual victims at. He's driving these attacks. I think they've only become in the modern age become empowered for two reasons. One is social media. You know in the past you might have been sitting in your bedroom having delusions now, it's become mass delusions because you can find other people who share those thoughts with you. And the other big thing is that people with powerful megaphones have become involved. I the political commercial reasons they've seen that they can make a profit out of the series. And and for me to people stand out one is Alex Jones of info wars chandy Huck is a synthetic completely is a website run out of Austin, Texas, very very popular among Trump's supporters and people like that. And the other is Donald Trump himself in the White House the conspiracy theorist in chief, many people that do not believe that birth certificate is authentic who has used his now, you know, massive. State power to full what conspiracy theories such as there is no such thing as climate change. You have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda vaccines can damage people cause autism went to have the vaccine now is testing and my favorite, but three million people committed voter fraud in the twenty sixteen election, which he won which just happens to be exactly the same figure by which Hillary Clinton won the election in the popular vote. Now got to the stage where it's kind of impossible to have any major news event in America without there being a conspiracy theory for me pretty much within the day. So you traveled across America meeting victims of conspiracy theories, and you met Lenny Pozner, who's using the courts and others are fighting back in different ways to we're going to hear from three more of them. Tell us about the first one the first person who's the guy calm ourself on tame. I am or so fun funding. Really nice guy. He lives in an up says apartment with a couple of housemates. He has this extremely messy bedroom. Sorry myself saying that he is unashamed communist, radical left when literature. He has flags from China North Korea. They also Viet union lined up in his bedroom along with his collection of horror, film DVD's. He's a huge horror, film fanatic and a heavy metal music fan. Like our funeral. Like septic flash. Let me see. It's part of his story that he's actually very vulnerable. Young man. He's on the autistic spectrum. He was diagnosed several years ago. He has a stammer extremely nice guy. Very eloquent in in what he's said to us. I was personally very keen to meet Marcel because he's never told his story before my life was going pretty good like I started to work at the concert venue. Mom, and I was really RAD I loved I love working there. And then once mum Valentine's Day last year. He was cortott on Valentine's Day last year in the parkland shooting at least seventeen people have been killed in a school shooting in Florida. Many others have been wounded at the time of the shooting. He was asleep. He was asleep in his bed in Massachusetts, some fifteen hundred miles away. He woke up to a text from a friend of as you said, hey, someone is using your image as school shooter. Did you know that your photo is doing the rounds on the internet, and that you are being accused of being the shooter? God he knew nothing about it. It didn't even know the shooting happened at that point. And so you went onto the internet and sure enough name each of him had been lifted and used on extreme websites to say that the ma- the part two was a communist. It was all a red conspiracy on hair was your shoot. I was like I was literally like what the fuck. Why would someone do this mom Mining's ICTY just like when sky high after after that like where is this coming from like myself? Myself as a few days before the shooting people on four Chan, which is a name board border chat board for all right people. And other anonymous users had decided to have a bit of fun with trying to find the person who is the biggest quote, unquote, lefty dimwit they could find. So they went around and looked up people's social media feeds, and they discovered this photo of Marcell dressed in a T shirt with communist leaders wearing party hats, and you know, people chatted about and had some fun. And that was just happened to be a few days before the park and shooting. So when the shooting happened one of the uses remember that photo slapped back on chat boards and said, look, here's the parkland shooter. He's a communist this is the thing about these conspiracies. Once you start looking at they off so often mind bogglingly ridiculous. It's baffling. And it's completely beyond logic. And yet that's what happened to Marcel. He got caught up in this while he was asleep in his bed. And by the time we woke up that day. He was a global superstar for all the wrong reasons. What kind of aided that en- going viral while I think this was a classic pattern it began on for China, and they're sort of corner of the internet. And then what I think what was key to it was that it was picked up and amplified in a more mainstream setting in this case as is often the case, but in this case through Alex Jones in his info wars website begins organically, almost but it's when people with real megaphone with a purpose for selling this stuff when they get involved. That's when it starts to fly. Did this stay as sort of conversation in forums? Or did it reach my sell directly probably within that day. Suddenly with a matter of days, he started receiving death threats one that even mentioned my place a work. One death rate said we know where you were can they actually referred to the events venue in his town, Massachusetts, where he does work where bands come and play and stuff, which is a very important part of his life. He loves it hopes on kicks your fucking ask and probably more than anything else completely freaked him out. But that was many other death threats came hope someone John mom throws you out of rotor airy aircraft you commie. I got I got like fucking die you fucking commie. And he described what happened to him after that. I mean, it's now nearly a year since the park shooting much of the year he spent in his apartment he kept himself to himself entire. Year ninety just like just takes over. He's being with a therapist sleep for like days on a lot of his friendships of sort of slid away. He still goes to work at this concert venue. But he's he's careful and he said whenever he sees people wearing sort of right wing clothing. Maybe it's make America great again hat or maybe someone wearing cocky, hunting gear he'll freeze. I got very nervous because he thinks jeeze maybe they saw that info wars piece. Maybe they think I was a partner shooter. Maybe they're gonna come an attack mom, and then then my one and actually look, you know, mom whole subbing out on me or like mom beat me to a pulp. Do you know of anything ever happened to the people who sent these death threats to L Yano as far as I know, no one has had to had to sort of take responsibility for any of the death threats or indeed for the impact on marseils life. If you think of his guy who for the best part of a year has had to cope with extreme stress and extreme trauma. You would have thought that might be some payback for that. And yet there hasn't been any tool in terms of any individual responsible for sending these threatening notices to him is actually extremely raff any criminal or other action to be taken to anybody engaging in in sort of aggressive conspiracy theories. All the people. We spoke to Shad story of feeding incredibly alone in the situation. I think Ma Sal was sort of Mace booming of that he sitting in his bedroom. He's having to fend off thousands and thousands of people coming at him shouting at him down the down the internet some threatening to kill him some saying they'll turn up at his workplace and yet not a single person has had to pay the price for that. He is now suing Alex Jones. But otherwise, it's being with impunity. He's had this experience. And no one had to face music for it. Back in twenty fourteen one of the biggest of these new online viral conspiracy theories began it was cooled game a gate one million tweets and counting to the game or gate hashtag, it's an online battle of the sexes over how gamers are portrayed in the sometimes violent reaction to women who speak essentially it involved prominent women in the video games industry being targeted online by mail trolls with death and rape threats. These men were angrily claiming that women were conspiring with gaming journalists to unfairly promote that in careers. All of which was game developer Briana went into hiding over the weekend. She felt she had to be on away. One of the few women working as a producer in the game industry. Quickly became embroiled in it put a sort of humorous collection of tweets out. It's kind of mocking the man who are engaging in targeting and harassing her female colleagues in the game industry. Trying to burst their bubble. An immediate -ly. It went viral instantly the moment she saw her own tweets. Go viral. She knew that she was in for it. I will never forget the day that it happened. I could tell things were really going weird because my Twitter just caught on fire, and I logged onto HSEN for the first time to see what was happening in Washington. This message board with people going through mine tire past my history. My marriage. My husband works dress. My phone number the employees that my game studio all of it. And I realized what had happened to the women. I care about in. This field was about to happen to me. I knew I had a choice at that moment. I could sit down and say nothing and let the move onto another target or I could take a stand and do what the men in her field would not speak out about what was happening. And so I kept speaking up in. That's when the death threats came. Guess what bitch? I know where you live. They give my address your dead. Mutilated corpse is going to be on the front page of Joseph bell tomorrow. There is an eighth thing. You can do about it. If you have children, they're going to die to you. Did nothing worthwhile with your life say like myself brianna. I'd got these really disgusting death threats. What else happened to her? This is just a tiny number the things that happened to so in no particular order, brick was trained for fun room. The one that gives me the chills. Most was that three social media. She was sent a floor plan of the house, which had all the the rooms in precisely the right order and even had so the furniture inside each room correctly mapped out. She someone started sending her photographs of in restaurants at the movies with her husband walking around the streets. It's a common pattern in these conspiracy theories that once people get inflamed by them. They start setting themselves up as quote unquote, investigators where they make that business to try and find out everything they can about you right down to the smallest personal detail. They then use that against you one way or another. Came a gate was all about misogyny. It was particularly sexist conspiracy theory does brianna feel that conspiracy theories affect women in a specific way. Yes, heard clear impression was that women form a large proportion of the individuals who get caught up in this stuff and have to deal with it and find their lives turned upside down by the cost of speaking out is so high for women I understand why most decide not to something that I've heard literally hundreds of times in the last few years is women that have children that say I am afraid to speak up about this industry because I don't want my children to be targeted. Cipriani left the gaming industry, and she's now running for congress and her candidacy is all about pressing federal authorities to take the problem of online conspiracy theories and harassment most seriously running for office is kind of terrible. And it's hard to get criticized by the press or by people and after gamer gate, it's like that just washes off completely. So I think it it gave me Elvis for Nassir thick skin. Which is achievable in this field. But let's not romanticize abuse. I mean, this took a terrible toll on me on my marriage. My friendships. Ed you final. Stop was Washington DC way. You went to talk about probably one of the best known conspiracy theories. Pizza gates pizza gate people actually believe a conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton and her former campaign manager, John Podesta ran a child sex ring at a pizzeria in DC. The idea was that children were being held a sex lays in the basement of one month's pizza restaurant cooled comet ping pong again. The conspiracy was amplified and whipped up into a stolen by Alex Jones, not covering enough. Even though we covered it every day to expose the satanism and the occult and the code words for pedophilia, and it wasn't long before online death threats became dangerously rail. The man at the heart of all of this the one who had bad the consequences is Manco, James elephants. We had a restaurant full of families and parents eating pizza and playing ping pong. And this. Man, walks into the restaurant carrying a loaded. AR fifteen assault rifle and a handgun apparently and a knife. And walks in the front door. The gunman did Abe and fire in the restaurant. But miraculously, nobody was hurt. How did this episode effect James was a deeply deeply traumatic experience for James walking through his restaurant. The tables of full of pizza haffey glasses half drunk. It was empty, and it's like a sort of scene of devastation. He was destroyed by that event. He looked around and thought this is these are my friends sitting these my customers what if someone being killed? It was the worst day of my life. I thought we would never open the restaurants again. In fact, I was sure we never would. What did James do did the restaurant survive? The restaurants still open. It has panic buttons all over the restaurant for a full year after the shooting their armed security guards and the front door on the back door, and he said the community of his restaurant comet ping pong, which is friends come the people from the neighborhood come that. He said people came together particular off to shoot attend up, and they rally drowned, and they went straight back the next day filled the restaurant filled the tables and showed him huge love and support. And he said that in the end for him was more powerful than thing that he had to deal with one unusual thing about the way James responded to this is that he wanted to reach out and speak to the people who'd been involved in the conspiracy to try and get an understanding of who they were what happened. He was advised heavily not to do this because it's could be quite dangerous, but he did reach. Out to several people who'd been sending him death threats and one memorable case he reached out someone who'd been twenty to come and shoot him and he sought having conversation and within about so the day three of the conversation the guide Austin for a job. I that's an interesting indication of how although may be terrifying to be in the middle of it Papp's on an individual basis is doesn't go to deep that people are susceptible to being told to having conversation and to actually listening to evidence that rebuts conspiracy theory that they're engaging with, but the other thing James said, I thought it was also really interesting was a lot of the people. He reached out to turned out to be very very young usually male usually kind of teenager early twenties kids and James James's quite shocked and disturbed by how sort of lost. These people felt I'm a pizza cook. So this isn't my area of expertise. But I think that we have a lot of learning to do about who's disenfranchised in our country, and in my world, I worked very hard and my staff works hard, and we feel that if we work hard, we can get somewhere, and that our pizza will be better more people will come. We'll have. We'll be successful. We can get health insurance. We can pay our bills. I've learned that a lot of people don't have that feeling and especially young people online in America feel as if they have no power and that they are threatened and makes me. Sad. And also a bit confused. At automating owed of these people. What do you think it is about American society? That's brought us to this point where viral conspiracy theories can get so out of hand on wreck lives. What do you think driving it? Well, our our very perilous place, and I think it's part of a major siesmic change, a sort of increasing distrust in authority of any sort and sense of being out of control people feel the wealth spinning out of control being against them. And of course, when you couple that with people cynically manipulating those feelings, I think it's official circle. The more people feel that the world is destabilized. There's no such thing as truth anymore. The more susceptible to conspiracy theories on the mole conspiracy theories that are being. Jumped out every day, the more destabilize welded. And it just goes around in a tight cycle getting more and more sort of extreme. So, you know, this is not a fringe actively. This is becoming a main part of political discourse where people no longer trust the truth. As Lenny posing to put it to me truth is what is at the top of Google. I'm not sure I've had a a mole bleak statement than that. At thank you so much for talking to us. Thank you. To beat more from at Pilkington onto his full reports on victims of conspiracy theories head to the garden dot com. Next the constantly expanding mega city of Kuala Lumpur is eating into the jungles of Malaysia and the monkeys of fighting back. In today's don't stop well, making quality time feel south is more important than ever when he by subscription to the guardian and the observer, you can look forward to sitting back and leafing through every page at your own pace from the latest ground-breaking investigations to recipes reviews. Award-winning sports coverage. I'm will subscribe before the third February and you'll save up to fifty two percents on newspaper. Subscriptions for a year just such guardian. Subscriptions. Now as popular continued to grow. So did the world's cities and construction. Creeps epide- pet into wild habitats in Kuala Lumper. This means going up against the city's first inhabitants monkeys generalists, Jamie Fullarton has been face to face with gangs of roving macaques. Before Quin unemp- existed monkeys with everyone was Pule junk area, and when the city expanded to the huge metropolis we noticed today the monkey state, and specifically the long tailed macaques, they are incredibly adaptable. They apart of life to be enjoyed and dealt with. Do you could almost call it a jungle city the location where that was most evident was at one of the universe. Tease about thirty kilometers south of quantum per this campus is famous the human monkey interactions. I spoke to one dean who works in the university. And she said that among his chase the lectures into tortoise. Lead to this to the point. And so away. Chinese tourists have quite a lot of money ripped up by a funky who sprayed them around like confetti, very bowed because the tourists feed them they're seen as a tourist attraction and just sort of acting like they in the place and didn't really matter if they'd get an a bit of a volunteer battle with human this six or seven times told us. And two thousand twelve a cold nearly a hundred thousand don't tell macaques in the hold of Malaysian peninsula, which is of a huge amount. And that God's some backlash animal rights groups of accused him of just shooting them trees and putting them in cages and shooting them. And as being some debates of how widespread that actually is being. But some the academics. I spoke to said just if he if the humans just stop feeding them that the heavier those actually Chang. We need to with authorities developers. Young, sir. Education, and as I saw in the Pinang botanical gardens walking around with huge, a monkey's within feats view. They don't attack you because there are signs up saying don't feed the monkeys refines that happen and the monkeys behavior has changed over relatively short amount of time that they're smart creatures. And if they realize that saying he doesn't just mean if hit snack painters, and that seems to be an effective way. When's this grow wildlife is always going to be affected? So as this expansion continues into more and more jungle more consideration could be given to the creatures that would swinging around the area known before that toilet cousins. You can meet more from Jamie Fullerton in Kuala Lumpur as possible mega-city series at the guardian dot com forward slash cities. That's it for today. Thanks to Ed Pilkington Mossel, Lenny brianna and James unto Jamie Fullarton. Today's episode was produced by Joshua, Kelly and Ayukawa with sound design by Manley. We'll see tomorrow.

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Organization with Style! With Drucilla Pedersen

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Organization with Style! With Drucilla Pedersen

"Welcome to the Biz for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for that being good at doing good movement we spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty and creating an environment of connection the showing. The true secrets is excess. And creating a life of greater impact so come on board and create your own phys for good life. Well Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen Welcome to Kuch your host Buddy Glen Jeans along with you in the house. Ladies and Gentlemen Ryan Ryan Joe. I couldn't keep it up of man this hour brought to you by the letter P. Paul Pilkington. Oh bill pickle pickle anyways welcome to the show welcome to the show welcome to the show and join us for another amazing crazy ride that we always takedown. impactful always gets impactful and is that is that a new business that was so impactful Raelians half half appaled that we make up words on the show. That's just what we do. We're words myths and then we have. We have cedric spell. It for us. I don't even remember the word. We just missed it so today. We'll be talking with drew Silva Pederson and the title of the show is organization with staff. With's teaching to hold it with styles. Yeah I don't I don't know no that's not style now. I've got the style sir. WE'RE GONNA kick it over to cedric for the Bio centric Nova. Okay good I got it. I'm ready very good. Tell us about the our guests all right. We'll do Jerusalem. Pederson is the CEO and founder of drew sellers closet specializing in the interior designed. For your closets. She loves to make what's behind the closet doors of your home so amazing and signature that you will want her move the doors from your interior. Well that's that's a feat to remove the doors she's earned a PhD from the School of knocks of Motherhood Raising six children Spent the past forty years in the interior design industry consulting thing in servicing clients and organized and cleans homes Cleaned homes professionally for five plus years in Saint George Utah and also consulted with homebuilders in model home home designed. Thanks for being on the show and we have another so we have so relaxed a little bit worried but relaxed. We don't take ourselves too serious so we're just GonNa have some fun today. You okay with that have fun. We have the L. A. L. is today L. Today. Yeah we have Chris L. Our I WANNA call you the roaming reporter but I think going with Hashtag real journalist the jury real on the streets finding the bad add in the Biz. The is a good show is a fun and powerful. podcast experience sharing stories of hope passion and and the true secrets is excess. The connection we make by loving yes. That's loving and being good. There is so much bad noise in the world. It is time to rise against. It's the noise and flood the world with the God. Labus Vegas Show. It's not just the podcast. It is a movement. That's right follow. All of us on instagram twitter too tight tweets and facebook Edens Pacers Pacers. I like that phasers. Yeah those phasers out out there. Maybe it sounds bad acer booker's phaser both anyway. It's time to get crazy. He greatly forget. Show crazy hashtag cookies. Is it Hashtag. Cool crazy just Greeley Cranley both. Let's do about where we go with Israel. WE'RE GONNA get up to the other ill. Oh Yes yes we've got zillow here of course and you know what that means. It's time for the BIZ. Bad segment take away. The Battle of the L. is begins. Sounds really pretty. Yeah it's like a song. Catchy like that. Yeah Yeah Anyway Superman Superman Yeah. I know like his dad l.. I think that's too funny. Okay do you know what I mean. I'm not I'm not a person who's up on that sort of thing totally yeah at least not DC stuff so all right so anyway. My story this week is about a blockchain startup who Is there working on decentralizing control of patient data and like it seems like a really cool idea except that they put their patient data data on a publicly accessible server online and then things just got worse from there. Anybody could see anything. Yes yes they could So the name of the startup is Timmy. Health it's t I M I and so they have this. Yeah so they have this really cool idea. It's it's about decentralizing control of patient data so that you can take like your lab reports your health results all these different things and take it from provider to provider and along along the blockchain. You can see exactly who has access to it or who is seen it along the way and you have this record of it. Yes so it's a really cool idea but yeah well the probably not now. Unfortunately so a journalist a tech journalist names that would occur found that they were storing health records such as lab reports in this publicly accessible server online. No security so if you know where to find it you could go on and find lab reports and all this health data for these people. Yup Yeah so and so it is journalistic practice when you find something like this S. that you will before you start reporting on it you let the company know that this is out there so that they can shut it down so that when you do report the article not everybody you know. Every hacker in the world can go find it sort of thing. It's like a thing. Journalists do code the code of ethics. Yeah so because you don't want to report on this and then have somebody's identity be stolen or like their health records be publicly accessible to anybody. That's out there but not you. You know sometimes companies just kind of tend to ignore these messages and be like. Oh you know that's nothing I'm just GONNA brush it off sort of thing. Journalists art comes out or the tweet start coming out about what happened in. That's where it all went downhill for to me health here. Unfortunately so so. The reason I'm telling this story today is not necessarily because they left this data online publicly because that happens unfortunately really allot more than you would think that it does I'm telling the story today of how not to handle a PR. Kreis the real backstory. There's GonNa be some F bombs in their no so it just gets really kind of crazy for them so like I said You know it's practice that you let the company know and then if they don't respond or don't change anything then you start reporting on it. So that's what happened sack would occur. Let them know through email. They did not respond. It seemed like they had ignored him so he sent out some tweets. Saying hey guys. This seems like a problem I'm you should probably fix this and tad them on twitter and they responded just saying Oh. This isn't anything You know this is just a test file. It which point when he came back with a redacted screen shot of Somebody's actual lab results. Saying no you have actual patient data in this like even if it's a test file oh you have actual patient data in here and it's publicly accessible so step one in how not to handle a PR crisis do not do not ignore security researchers or journalists if they get in touch with you and say that you have a data breach like actually follow up and see what they have to say because especially if you're dealing with patient Asian data especially step to in how not to handle a PR crisis don't claim that what has been breached is just a test environment and has no no real data in it unless you've actually checked that like actually check and see what's happening like when somebody gets in contact with you before you start responding to something don't just start shooting off tweets online line. Yeah actually gotten in trouble on twitter. Yeah like think before tweets really stupid really quickly in. Oh Yeah let's not even go there but yeah think verify and then tweet least so and then it gets unfortunately even worse timmy. Health after he wrote after Zach Whitaker says okay. No you actually have patient data in here timmy. Health whoever was running their account starts going off about how this is just a conspiracy from their competitors in big tech to undermine them and because they don't think that because they're threatened by blockchain and the disruptive technology and they're just scared the tinny out this take down so this this is all just a conspiracy. Don't blame it on. The third thing is don't claim that this is an orchestrated conspiracy like it might just be your fault. Mike just be like simple. Error don't claim it's an orchestrated conspiracy from your competitors just own it not sweep it under the rug. Yeah Gosh and so like at this point because You Know Zach. Whitaker has been tweeting about it. Other tech journalists have seen it because this is what happens is other journalists. The other journalist tweeting about things and so they've contacted this company and at this point. Whoever's running T- Timmy? Health twitter account is freaking out because they've gotten requests from five the journalist at this point for comment and they're like at what they start saying is that The media is attacking them with questions about this and that it's all just is being orchestrated by their big competitors so Step number four when you mess up and you start getting journalists contacting. You don't get aggressive with the journalists especially on social media and don't say that they're attacking you asking questions you fools fools you lose control you lose control of a story real fast start attacking journalists. Yeah I think it's time for Tim Tim you to call lassie. It gets even worse. Oh my gosh. There's five on twitter. They released a statement and the sad thing about this is that they haven't even released their product yet. This really was a test environment and what they had in their was friends and family data that they were using to build their product so only fourteen people were affected in this data breach. It's not a huge deal. They could've locked it down and managed it pretty quickly quickly. If they hadn't gone off in tweeting but then they released a statement on twitter saying that the fourteen people that had had their data breach. Were the victims of a malicious. Hack Doc. Journalist did know that the company did Timmy. Health said that they were the victims of a malicious hack. So step number five. When when you mess up don't pass the buck take ownership of your mistake? Make things right and don't blame it it on a malicious hacked by out evil outside force. I think we have learned valuable lesson here today. Just take responsibility funds ability for your mess ups yes there really is or you will die. Yeah aw and the sad thing about this because this is all unsecured patient data if they had just like paid attention to the email in the first place they might have been able to just shut it down and like keep going like work through it it might have just like they might have just blown by but now they might be getting hippo attention and if they you get a fine from hippo it might shut down their start up before they even get off the ground gets really bad. It's interesting because Dan were in in this day and age. We've got so so much data coming at us all over. I think a lot of ignore stuff because it's just another piece of crap coming at US and And I think we don't acknowledge when it's too late when it some important. Well I mean think about the equifax breach like basically everybody had their social security eighty all out in public because Equifax didn't secure their data and even still. They had a huge fine that they have to pay back in the settlement. But even instill like it's comes out to like one hundred twenty five dollars per person but even still like everybody who is affected isn't even going to be paid one hundred and twenty five dollars because has the fine wasn't big enough to cover everybody. It's yeah it's all really sad. Okay just fess up and take ownership. It's all about accountability and even the big companies or startups. And all that. Good stuff. The more you try and shake it off blame others or whatever. That's that's the worst again. Yeah just take ownership right up front and it'll be a lot easier to get through so true so true. Wow that was a good one. That's tag real. The journalist Hashtag real journalist all right. Thanks Chris Sola all right where we go go onto the show. Zella drew Sala- you ready for this or go to jump foul twin all right we want to know yourself a really quickly and and we would like to know. Tell us a story about when being good and doing good. Commit something to you when you realized they're good people out there and I wanna be one of those good people okay. Well the thought that came to my mind was I was in. I was a sophomore in high school. And you're to couple couple years ago and My my father had Just simply went in I on bull surgery and end things just kept going wrong wrong wrong and pretty soon. It was like He's flying back to Mayoclinic can have his leg amputated and taken Romero out of visit hip and putting it in his other leg to step in it and things just ran amok you know things got ugly. It was that or he was going to die so so that happened. And then and I I watched my family and my community my church. They all came together. Gather for US and helped us out a lot and and I thought you know people in this world are pretty awesome. When when it's needed they come come they will come to your rescue? They were help you they will be there for you and it was really impressive to me and I remember When when we didn't have food in the House and and there was it was getting lean and so but we were able to go in and and my faith thin church? We have the system where we can go in and work for food and and have food and and everything we need and and so I got to be part of that and and see that inaction and I I appreciate it that she kind of grew up knowing that being good doing good is a is a real fidel. Yeah that's awesome. I'm at a loss Ryan. No that's good. That's good thank you so much for sharing that I also want to know where. Where are you from that was in Riverton? Utah was in Riverton. You grew up in Riverton when it was Riverton when there was actually a river actually actually a river country town. Yeah Nice House just a part of the metropolis attributed metropolis. That is Salt Lake. Yeah my house was where Riverton High School is now. Oh really yeah interesting. I used to ride my horse on. What is now Bangor highway do that today? It's interesting how the world grows and and we watch that. It's it's strange even where I live. Now it's like hugely grown and there's apartments all over and I was there twelve years. It's like like we are. We are growing. and Utah's getting crazy. There's I mean everybody's moving in for some reason it's a fun place. There's there's a lot of cool wool. Mountainous areas if you like that kind of thing and desert areas pretty much any. There's a lot of parks here in Utah. Yeah one of the big ones the big king. Well cool so Ryan you get to ask a question. I always hog. I Hate Ryan. It's so good at yeah. You're good question a personal question. I never mind so we were talking about number this question earlier before we went on and so we just wanted to know what you're talking about. We didn't don't every time the president at all we've never never did. No this is all they. Ah We were talking just now now just now and we wanted to know. What is your commitment to the bids for good show Biz? Forget life seat in. This is why you have the business. what I what I like about the business that I'm doing is it has has changed my life and so I really think I know it's changing lives because I've done this for a lot of people now and they are appreciative. I get emails still get tax saying I can't tell you how this has changed my life. I'm like okay. I like like this text. So it's the product I created is doing its job. What made you decide to do that? What happened in your life that you said Dang it? I'm done with how things are done. I'm doing something to tell you this Wednesday will we moved and I was trying to unpack enough off right there. You've moved the worst possible stressful horrible evil thing on the black told me never moving again unless we have enough money to go on vacation. Asian higher movers to move the House to the new house while I'm on vacation and come back magically. That's the only way I will moving. Oh very very godmother magic one. I know we moved and I was trying to repack into another kitchen in My goodness everything thing we just we just put wherever and I remember I was trying to like. I had the stupid idea that fresh slow a homemade bread would make everybody feel better Saturn. Feel at home yeah. It just wasn't happening. It was like an hour later. There was flour I it was it was correct and unlike so I'm looking at the panty them gone there has just. This is not working and there's got to be a better way. There has to be a better way away and all the products that used were not doing the job so they've decided to do the job. I'M GONNA do the job. Nobody what else is doing this. And and what you think you said Hams you're going to put something together. Some prototypes. which would you do? I started drying pitcher. The NAPKIN Abkin. Then Matt Ryan Draw. Exactly what I did genius is of the world have started tick what I did and I thought an IT. Can't it cost a lot of money because we're going to need a lot of them and it has to be small enough to do the job and we need a lot of these as because there was. I mean if you've had food storage in the basement with storage in the garage foodstore it under the bed. It's everywhere this kind of help. Take care of that too. I liked the you knew that it was you needed a lot of them. People needed to purchase allow. So are you trying to make it at a good pricing point right so people can get ready to go into not overwhelmed the time not only financially but with your good too because we're not tell anybody what it is you get so yeah I'm before we get into maybe explain a little bit about what it is. What's what's up? You could tell alert users to do our users were. Yeah you are right. Hey y'all users the users of food this this makes me feel like I'm on drugs when I look at this when I opened my doors. I'm like well this is the high high because so cool and all right plays as you do not need drugs. Oh Wow oh having a really bad day I just when everything else is out of place in running a Mike I just go finish the doors. Oh Oh my gosh. Yeah no more drugs. We have got the secret to take away all of our drug problems. Yeah Sanatorium organized closet lovett Pantries specifically do right awesome. So what can you tell our users give us a little tidbit for my own users like an organization organizations secret sure like him to organize the kitchen like something in the kitchen. Great you're talking to go to the sink thing okay If you have a juror or like a talk about half have some plastic. Yeah that's scary place under the sink. Go when they're going in. It's either that there's a bucket or is a box or there's something full of towels and disc lots and you look at those in their twenty four of them and honestly do you really need twenty. Four dish tells that are threadbare that. Don't back to that you might. They've got from a wedding present for wedding present twenty-five years ago that you know what was it an Lira or aunt louise or one of those els else in your life gave you and you love it and you can't live without it but you can. So my thing is I would just go by seven beautiful digitals and seven beautiful dish. Cloths loves that you love that matter. Kitchen Oldham nicely. Put them in that drawer that get rid of that nasty bucket or whatever it is thunder there and put it in something pretty something pretty. Why do you say seven Taliban seven days a week and then okay then I would put another basket right next to that? This is probably the most important part and each day when you're done with that throw it in the because you know how. How do we love those dishcloths that? Sit in the sink or at week three days later they're wreaking so just throw him in that little plastic basket and then Because what do you do with them like some people will just throw it on the stairs by the front door and hopefully it makes it up to the Washer and dryer. Yeah what are are you GonNa wash it with your dirty socks and then you're gonNA take it back to the sink and use it in your dishes. I don't think so so I would do seven. They do have that basket. You can take it to the washer Tuesday towel day Tuesday to Towel d day that nice load and you're are you done. That's my fa- that's one for you. I love it clean up. Your towels. Beatings Day gives them tells you love instead of those nasty crabby. We once we do. We literally probably have thirty towels and they thought that they and their Yucky and now taking up valuable the real estate and cram in that stupid drawer. Gosh I have a vision of it right now. I'm having nine Bob Oughta there because I have a couple of those hats and their own crinkle congruity. We got several of those crinkle. The DRO towels give my guys. Don't you guys have any horror stories. Oh Yeah Oh oh yeah ever inherited from an old roommate. And I'm just thinking like Oh you guys got rid of because I gave it to my small pup to retire park. That's what they're like. Okay here I cycle garage. Yeah Then we'll go there later to the garage. You gotta you gotTa take this taking the tool tool you open your garage door would be cool. 'cause they open the garage door and I've been there the garbage man's that's coming. Please shut the door. Throw away all my stuff. Yeah exactly he got. Would you have Ryan. You're going to save them Oh I found a stinky town under sink once and it was standing up. Yeah stand up really freaked me out. How's it standing? It was on it that would make is that. You don't WanNa talk about reds ever seen at stand up that's why I say yes. Take Care you start at the movement. Take care of your dish to downsize upgrade. I think that's a great. I think that's a great tool for everybody. Well let's talk about how is Organiz was how do you do that. Let's talk a little bit about what you do what it is. Okay well so I came enough with this Pantry makeover system. There's it's a modular system. There's three parts tour right now. Maybe there will be more later but these are the good basics that do it all. There's three sizes of these containers. They're made out of cardboard nobody freak out. It's cardboard yes. And don't we love it that it's made in Utah and that it's recyclable. Recyclable recyclable can. Somebody say that word for me recyclable. Thank you say it. Apparently thank you and then that it's it's just this great product that you can access easily because you can see what's in it. There's a little window in the front Well let's go back to the recycle but the cardboard thing can't be scary. Because it's super heavy duty. And when we customize customize them which most people love to do wheel spray them with A nice paint or will the big thing that people love the most is the card. Okay Cardboard chalkboard board chalk board paint and then we can custom we can label them. We can race them like you know what I I opened that can of Garbanzo beans. And nobody's ever GONNA eat garbanzo beans again. We erase it. We label it with the next great product. We're going to put in there so the the small box you can open a number ten can and the whole thing that's in it and and it takes up like two inches of space on your pantry with Weiss. There's a window where you can see how much and what beans into the thing. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He poured that whole number. Ten can in. That's in this teeny little. See through the microphone but here it is on in your camera. Drew a magic little box. It's a magic box. It's magic box Ryan. So they and they line up nice and tight and you can make mixing center in your kitchen. Some people have those pantries that you have to walk a mile back behind and this you can take those things that you normally use out of your pantry. Put Him Right in your mixing center and use your to okay. Well that when you can use for I put a meal plans in it. You can actually use a seven as a seventy two hour kit you can grab it. It's got a whole meal in it so not only. Can you use it through the week. You can grab it and throw it in your car if you need to do a quick escape clue. It's like I do like Mexican American American Chinese Western. Whatever you WanNa do leaning style unemployment rate that would be so nice because you know? How often do you go home and go to cook something? You're like Oh crap I'm out of this one spice have to run to the store so I can finish dinner. You know then you can plan things in a man's put everything in one little box. Yeah you can put the recipe in there grab. I have spices all over the place and I mean it's I I know I have that. I've ripped everything reading out of the. Can you help Rica incident me and my wife assures no usually I am looking for turmeric. Did I say it right to tell me helped me with that too. There's three of them and everybody's Pant. I'm like Oh here's the number two I'm working for a number of mines red pepper flakes. I'm like Oh Komo. Permanent thing of red pepper flakes apparently. Yeah so I would just older so the list is like if you're standing in front of your pantry and you're like I thought I had that in. Here's somewhere or I must have already. That can somewhere or I wish I'd have to move stuff to get stuff. There's not enough space to put everything. I need her wanting this kitchen or I know it's in here somewhere I'll just have to go to the store and buy another one since I have so much extra time and money. I'll just go do that. Sorry yeah there's three of them here but will it be at a bull if I do find it. It's like forty years old or Yeah so and then you know if you're trying to find a container that it's going to take your entire grocery budget by the plastic or glass container that all match and then when you get them all and you think oh I need a couple of more. They're not available anymore. What do you do a serious out cereal? You know. Those is big bags that you buy. Is that what you're talking about. Just a boxers you those big bags you buy them in their head half full of air nature except accept your home or you go. Yeah the chips I immediately open them and seal them and then I can put them in the big box if there's if there's a lot of them and your use them a lot I would designate one of those forum. Yeah and the cereal. I just label at serial nitro night. Throw three you can get three bags of that those big bags in that one box after you open it and then when it's getting down in the half on on it you can write what series you can if you if you last that long you don't even it doesn't last very long so you know. It's rotated regularly right eight. Yeah the yeah and then when it's half gone I dump it. Ns ziplock bag and throw it in there too. So how long have you been doing this about a year year. And and and how's it going good you people people are. You're you're organizing folks you're connecting. Yeah Yeah I've done word of Mouth Advertising Unle and we've done I don't even know how many CR- I have that debt written down in my record somewhere taxman process. I says you come out to their home or maybe not available. You can do it through skype right right or they'll send me pictures. Thanks Technology Technology Technology. You use talk the I've been around you to learn to love it. Yeah Yeah Yeah the the beautiful thing is you have your own. Technology is this organizational technology. Because it is it literally is a is a new technology for you're figuring out how to organize yourself so you get that that Kudo that Kudo that beautiful new words Khuda full what's what does it mean. Cute beautiful who knows. Yeah that's a great referred the dictionary and get back to you on. That is not in the dictionary rise. Khuda one thing I think is cool is that you actually come out and you help. People get organized rather than just you know shipping people a bunch of boxes that they might do something with or it might end up sitting in their garage for. Yeah but if they do. There's a great blueprint to help them. But because we have identified nineteen zones in the kitchen that you can use and so they can go through the blueprint if they do order a package. That's the nineteen places in the kitchen. Where you shove crap? Yeah that well. There's nineteen different in categories of stuff in your kitchen owing of category. Oh interesting give us three. I guess for maybe favorite three top three okay Cutting chopping chatting shopping. That's that's a nightmare. My house really. I have like fourteen. Cutting boards Crappy ones and do I need fourteen of them. No I'm not. I don't know maybe you do if you do. Then we deal with it. You know. We'll deal with it sharp knives and yes. We do too sharp knives in drawers facing that direction topping. Then there's mixing in measuring mixing. Oh I wish I could find that stupid measuring bowl when I need it. I just bought it said measuring cups because I was gone. Bloggers trying to two in three fourths. Yeah yeah minor so although the now the does that you can't see what they are so much because this cup is half you would think I would remember. This is probably time to get new ones. Amazon Bro Yeah Okay all right I'll go get some has great ones too so but anything anything anything we buy. You know how to make it in there so we can remember it finally when we needed yes and not get all stressed out the clutter and Matt. I mean it is a it is a thing for stress. It is stressful to have stuff all over the place. You'll save a lot of time and money and Insanity Sanity uh-huh Awesome Sandy. Anything else you can tell us about the product or anything. Well would you like to end on. Let's see well just the solution that you're going to be able to see your pantry items all at once everything at once. You can go digging confusing. I can't there's some black beans in here I know. Uh No none of that. You can get rid of all your bulky boxes and cans and buckets that are just all over the place and not working for you you can rotate eight years food storage if you want to You're just GonNa have your space sufficiently filled with the some great products. When you're not going to break the bank so I love it? One thing I thought was kind of cool with her story is You were talking about at the beginning. How how you you grew up in a house where like things were lean sometimes and you relied on like community support and now you're here? Helping people get organized so that the kitchen is kind of a hub for the family and people can come together You know which is something. That's so important together and it won't stray rush out and it's not gonNA cost you. Let them money. Some my wife would like that and it's a great gift great gift and when you're running out of gift of Organ Valentine well you don't want to say hey our house mess for Valentine's but maybe sewer if not on mothers I love you. Yes vacuum cleaners. They say I'm going to give you a pinterest worthy kitchen. You'RE GONNA love it but then I can get except for sure. Get excited yeah. Yeah and it'll be customized any color any way you want it. I love it. We've got to find out how to get this thing. We'll do thank you so much for being on the show tells you about how to connect how to get to you. Okay well we can phone a number if you WANNA give me a call. May We'll set up an appointment. It's a four three five four three five two two four two two four four six six nine two six six. That's right. People know solicitation no solicitation rate. Sixty six you've and they can text that number two. Yes they can text that number and would you would you. Were you thinking of doing a some kind of a way for for listeners do that we should say so. The first let's see so maybe a code or something like if you say you were heard me on the show. Yeah we like that as a coat be four the number four G.. Okay and then yeah then we can do I know let's do the bonus. Seven Meal Plan Bach. Said I two P one. Let's go for. Let's go for the top ten. ooh jumped in texters verse. Ten people that text be for G to that number. Get what that seven piece meal plan for free. Yeah they WANNA come out. They want to do a pantry. Blow bonus that smashing deal table. You crazy if you don't pick up that what's the number again. Four three a three five to two four two four nine two six six nine two six and then or we could go to. The PANTRY ORGANIZERS SYSTEM DOT COM yeah pantry organizer system SOM Dutt Guy. Looks like you have a star order here form on that so they can go video nice entry order organizer system dot com the AM radio Bam Bam Bam. Well thank you so much on the show. Thank you thank you how was it. Great wasn't too bad. Good tanks. We're not again. Don't take ourselves too serious. We have. We have fun here and we. We really wanted to highlight that we should all on this earth earth be doing good things for each other because it makes it a better world and we are better connected. I can tell already too. That's your mantra too. And Yeah we're GONNA do that's awesome. Do It's going to be a good life Ryan. You'RE GONNA take us out. Thanks so much and Chris Ella and Bobby and cedric really. You would never do you love your bed anyway. Thanks for being with us for another show. Joe And we'll end it with our usual Hashtag. Be Good do good three times. We get crave the on the third time Lee right we. It's crazy lease Hashtag three times the third time going to write a song crazy Hashtag be good good. Be You Thank you for listening to the business for good show. 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334. What Day is It Anyway?!

The Working Experience

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334. What Day is It Anyway?!

"Dear Listener it's Monday morning. The dreaded beginning of the WORKWEEK and Matt Ni- have some advice free to make it through the next five days on this mini episode of the work. Inexperience enjoy the working experience. Ninety three north is almost at a standstill. He had so rough one out there. The scorings no and sleep them. It's no service on ED. And clear of the closing door is bleeding. Could be minutes. Traffic should make make sure Johnny that report on that presentation. Harry shore wants to let you know meeting at Ted. I've worked makes the dream work moving and after the meeting. We'll have a breakout session. Where am I microwave was last Jedi? Welcome to another episode of the Working Springs podcasts. Mary Kay and John and this is Everyday feels like Monday it really. Does anyone know what day it is anymore? Well today is officially Monday. We know that but Sunday. Saturday didn't really feel a whole lot different from Thursday Wednesday Thursday. I mean it really sheds light on. What really is time? Just an artificial construction that we all agree upon who came up with seven days a week about eight. How about ten yeah? I'd like to be working ten days a week. Actually we should. We should get creative petition to get a twenty a twenty day work week so you can hustle and I want one day off. Of course you know. It's the same amount of time like doesn't I'm well aware that perspective work on that we'll work on. Einstein said time is flexible survivor. Hegel you'll fast enough father enough. You Ben Time Yeah. That's we've basically just explained to the theory of relativity in three or four sentences. Boil the down. That's it you know. All you need folks who Karl Pilkington is. Yes I do is a friend of yours He's the guy. Ricky Jay visas podcasts. He does idiot abroad. They did another show. He's really funny guy. And He's dead serious and he serously was saying to Ricky Jehovah's and Steve Merchant something like something along the lines of having an eight day workweek so he could get more done. Were trying to explain to him. There's only twenty four hours a day. Which means like you know the way you slice it up now is. Let me do the math here. Bear with me everybody. now's your chance to go brew a cup of Coffee. While twenty four times seven hundred sixty eight days in a week so One hundred sixty eight hours one hundred sixty eight hours in a seven day week so if you made a. It's not getting more out he could. He couldn't wrap his rock and wrap his head around it. Well I love I think is so funny. Because it's just like yeah but if you make a twenty day workweek and your weekend is only one day. They're definitely getting more pro- productivity out of workers this is all kind of moot point for the working spurs because we're grinding at seven days a week or a grind or do we not working right however many days you come up with a week. It doesn't matter to be for unlocked Downer quarantine or whatever. Nothing is stopping this enterprise. I don't care what the President says. I don't care what. Cuomo governors mayors lockdown schmuck down. We are hustling. It's like a boulder rolling downhill. Just get in its way. Do not get in its way. Don't give me any of the six feet of separation when I sell you something. All you regardless. Oh you gotta be six inches from their fates grabbing me spitting arm around the shoulder getting in there grabbing the BICEP. I love that. We'll have to do a bit at one once. All this comes down to the little sales seminar on that. Just show physically. You got to what I we like to say. Is You gotta get in the trenches and stay in the trenches Sam Right? I had a very interesting conversation with a Scott Center. Quist who is an actor? He's an it guy and he also has a real estate license and he was talking about so. I like this guy. Hustle a hustler baby and we were talking about real estate. He does kind of part time. He said it's very hard to make money. And then right now. Nothing is going on the real estate market. No Right now. It's it's brutality. Yeah it's it's tough even when things are going while there's so much competition and you put in like two or three months of work on a sale and then a false through the person can't get the mortgage or whatever you know. But he was he was explaining to me certain aspects of it. So I'll I'll try to do a podcast with Scott but one thing he did say is that you're always on like you're always handed out your car to people you're always telling people you're selling real estate whether you go to a party and I'm like yeah. Oh you're speaking our language here. This is uh us. Could you imagine if I was a real estate broker like during this time in quarantine this would be my move? I would burst into the house and have a life live face time with a perspective buyer as the couple is in quarantine rowing stuff at me to get out of the House and I'm selling it. I'm like you're rubbing comfy because nothing's GonNa stop me live facetime. I bet that's going on. I bet with vacant houses. That's probably going on doing anything to I mean it's brutal because it's all for them. It's all commission based it's all in your face you've got to physically see the property and he also told me and I heard this from other people like the real estate agent will always push for the higher price because of the Higher Commission. So right you have to be kind of strict insane like look you know if you want to sell that property and you're like look now we're not going to ask fifty thousand dollars over the market value. We're going to ask the market value where he had some good tips also said something he does is if something worth like. What five hundred thousand dollars? He'll put it on for like four eighty and that does bring people in and they start bidding on it so actually pushes the price out. Those actually ended up selling it for more. I told him if I had to solve real estate for a living I would starve. They just find me in my car eating ruffle potato chips. I couldn't come out. You've got onion did on your face. Just it's all smeared all over. I couldn't sell a bag of ice in the Sahara. Some I would talk them out of a just be like left with this melting bag of ice. Just be like all right. It's like if I showed somebody a house and it was like. Yeah it's got this four bedrooms now. There were like now certainly for us can be something else. I'd be like I don't really have time. I couldn't be somewhere I got. I gotTa take a NAP counts sure. Nestle. It was four o'clock in the afternoon. I'd be driving another house when you look just taking issue. Are you kidding me and guys? It's almost time for dinner to dinner. Ice Cream to watch reruns of friends another house in bed. By eight o'clock it's five right now. I'm almost ready to Keel over. Just this one. All these houses are pretty much the same bukarest. Its first one may see see if I were buying a House. I have so little patience. I'd be like fine. Let's just take this. This one's Fi. It's bad I'm good. Well Yeah but there's all kinds of structural wherever whatever just. Yeah put the bad in the couch in. I'm all good approach mark. All right. We're good. We're good yeah I. It's it's a tough racket and you're always on like five o'clock on Sunday afternoon. Boom you gotta be out there like Saturdays every day. Yeah I mean when you do sell a house it's an. It's a nice piece of commission but yeah you've always got to be on. You always have to be network and kissing. Someone'S ASS. Making sure your your. Your photo is on the bus bench. You know I love that stuff could lad hand in everyone. I'd be there with a big cheesy smile thumbs up in the photo. What I always do is I always like to stand outside with the couple. Or maybe just with one person and I like to do. The circular rub can't always self in this house twenty years from now raising your family in persons like why are you rubbing? Yeah why are you rubbing my back in whispering when there's no one around around so real estate a lot of people? I think they pick up a license with some dollar signs in their eyes get Visions of grandeur. And but it's it's like when someone says APP flipping houses like make it sound like you buy it. Boom you flip it and you get a check for fifty grand. That's it that's all. It's all there this to you by. Boom you flip the. Hey how I think I think this is in an income opportunity for the working experience to create a series of how to videos on how to how to flip houses. That's what it's going to be called is another video boom. Go check for fifty thousand dollars loan. That's it that's all you need. I mean you know. How hard is it a chorus Scott? Also we talked about this another time. He's like luck. You have to get a loan to get the house now. You're holding the mortgage now you're paying the taxes on the house like. Oh Yeah every day you're holding onto that house. Money is leaving your money. Yeah could you imagine you and I- flipping houses like we go into like repair and fix up the house and we have like Scotch tape and like brooms and just like we've spray paint. We're not even like loons spray painting all you do this a crack. And why put a poster over that all good you go into a room covered with posters like Britney Spears stuff from like nineteen ninety-five spice girls in such a bad job. Trying to hide the structural damage. Taking someone through and be like. Oh yeah the little girl was great. She's great anyway. That's can we see the basement now? You know it's just and I'm sure there's a lot of real estate hustlers like they're just trying to yeah terrible property. I had one experience with a guy in New York looking for an apartment. He sends me out to this address in the this wasteland in Brooklyn I can I knock on the door. There's a guy there the okay. It was a basement with no stove. It was just a basement space legal. Oh totally illegal. This is living there. He was like a Grad student. So he's got this look at his face like a wild rat and he's like what am I supposed to look at this place realtor so and so and he's like? Oh Yeah you know whatever I call the realtors. Whoever some guy you know and I'm like what is this what you set me. Whoa so people don't want to cook at home like the spend their meals out. Hey some people don't like to shower and defecated home. They like to go to the local diner. Like what you call me out on that. There's a park right across the street. I'm like what a weight of I like. The I like the flip Bam Fifty K. I like that as a nice little and you know I think we price the course at what like five thousand dollars. Something really reasonable. You buy the house. Boom you floated. Look if you do pay five thousand in Gary. Not Asterik Astro Astro. A CHECK FOR FIFTY K. Let's do the math here. You just made forty five thousand dollars. Okay you and I are going to you and I are going to have to rent. Ferraris a G. Five jet by the hour like as we're taping hours up and they're pushing us out. Well actually. I think what's better to do is just go stand in front of the BMW and you take my and then you stand in front of a Mercedes. I'll take your picture. I like the boom boom of sells it boom the boom. Yeah it's that easy that easy. That's all because our system is a sure-fire way to get to that fifty k. You know we'd laugh about this. I see these commercials all the time. Though they're old they're all over the place. Yeah Conventions you're going to go to this seminar. You'RE GONNA learn hustled real estate Hassan. Sure and you're GONNA learn like if you go to Tony Robbins. Just how to get your act together some stop? I went to one of these things when I was in my early twenty S. I went to I saw like I. It was like a free seminar like to get into real estate and I didn't. I thought it was like like real real estate investors. I didn't think it was. Schalke like flip houses and fifteen minutes into the presentation. I was like Oh my God. I'm in one of those was like in an infomercial right and then I just I left. I couldn't but you know it was so deceptive of how they marketed to you. You know. They didn't tell you didn't they didn't give you all the information and there must be some way. They're trying to make money off of people show up to this like you buy the yet. No that's what it is. That was the Big Sal. At the end you would have like seminar was free but you would buy this guy's course or some bullshit. I don't know what it was but the thing I mean. The reality is is if you are a real estate investor and developer. You can make a lot of money like it's a significant you know It's not a sure way to path to wealth but it's it's a good way so they that's how they pull people in but it's never easy. The kids never usually somebody who's worth millions of dollars with real estate. It took him ten fifteen twenty years to get there. When you really need a significant Kushner carry through like I would say probably at least a year. Because you're GonNa you know. Oh Easy Easy. I mean not. Even if you're gonNA flip houses you got to have money to invest. I mean you have to be prepared to hang onto property like it's not and if you get hit with a mar a market downturn. All that is looking yeah. I mean he'd be in deep deep deep trouble. I'm sure none of these seminars mentioned a pandemic putting a meal all that that would be an all of our legally love you know he's Lia Lee's yeah well we'll we'll We're putting up some more videos folks and we'll certainly plan on this real estate so I think it's really has possibilities. You know you know. Oh big possibilities big especially in the pandemic I mean people are GonNa Yeah. They can't pay their mortgages thrown out on their asses. That's when you swoop in writing in you take over that property and then you flip it now you know with the economy potentially going into a bit averse session. It may be difficult to sell but not with our method not with our method. You'll definitely sell it. Everybody else will have trouble selling. Yeah you'll definitely be able to sell it. Asterix Asterix faster not liable not responsible non-binding. These are all the legal. I love these terms. They They can get you on a lot of jams out of a lot of jams. But I've honestly seen like you know advertising these courses and they talk about foreclosure and it's like you know you are making money off someone else's misfortune. You realize that right like someone hit a bad patch and couldn't pay their more yet. Yes maybe not maybe not all. That's true I mean in case with foreclosures though. Is You know people do hit a bad patch. But usually by the time you come in and buy the foreclosure. You're buying it from the bank and the bank doesn't want to own the property so you all I mean to say that you're profiting from someone's misfortune It's really the bank. That's the evil doer. And then the the not the evil doer. But you're the bank doesn't want to own the real estate. You're actually doing the Bank of favored by buying the distress property for under market value. And then fixing it up and this is exactly what will tell people to assuage their consciences their exactly this. Did you see how I transitioned into the cell mode commercial tall not exactly? I can picture this standing there. As the family is being put out. By the sheriff just all their properties being thrown on the lawn as being thrown out. I'm selling our course right. I'm handing over a pamphlet. Yeah give him a shake and a hug and right here. We'RE GONNA turn this all around. I'm buying your foreclosed houses selling if you buy our course you do that to. Someone sounds good right. I mean sounds. That's a win win win win. All around yeah. All right folks so This week we're kind of played a little fast and loose. Things are just very odd right now. So we'll talk about this. This cove in nineteen is got us a little bit. You Know Ansi. Yeah so we don't want to dwell on it we also don't want to ignore it but you know. I did see the big ship pulling up off the port in Manhattan. The Big Red Cross ship is out there I did. I did it cross. What has its military right it has. Oh Yeah it's going to be interesting to see what they do if they're going to off load Regular patience into that and not covered. Nineteen patients served that. That's to become a Cova nineteen Hotbed 'cause I know that. Like hospitals I think Nyu now is up to maybe fifteen hundred or two thousand beds in their offloading all their other patients to other hospitals. So it's becoming primarily just like cove in nineteen hub. Yeah I had read or I'd heard that the like as they set up a hospital in central park they set up the tents and everything and those I thought they set that up in jab at the Javits Center yet. I think they set it up in central park as well. Oh really I believe there are tents in central park. You can look it up And I heard those like those are from mild cases though well and also heard that like say you have a broken arm. You're going to be in one of the satellite hospitals like they want the main hospital building for the covert patients may the ship to which makes sense because they need ventilators and dicey. You need a lot of stuff. You just have a broken arm. You can go get a sad or you know if you have a non cova related ailments but in any event it is a massive undertaking and our thoughts and prayers from the workings birds. Because that's all those people says rough situation it's all the people who are affected by it until all the medical staff that are working tirelessly to Help these people It's a it's a brutal you know. Wh once we hit capacity or over capacity. It's it's not going to be a fun state of affairs absolutely so stay tuned folks. We also need a little diversion in these times. So working experience can always provide you a little diversion of course and sell you something to to make you. You know. We'll buy and get your mind off of things the American way you buy stuff you feel bad you buy stuff maybe go buy stuff and then you and then you get tired of that stuff. You buy more stubborn talk and then you buy a storage facility to store that stuff. We'll take a picture of it. Put It on social media. So many likes Get disappointed when you don't get enough likes feel bad again. It's a good sign. Nancy American way. Great Cycle the cycle life. All right folks lawful this thing we'll be back at your meal Sir. You everyone for listening to this episode of the working experience. We'd like to thank our sponsors one circle media and the still believe APP. The only APP that delivers video proof of the tooth fairy and Santa by simply taking a picture. Download the APP at still believe dot. Co today in a major kids and if you work for a studio networks startup or corporation and are looking for a partner to create media that will build engage in entertain. 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